Hi, this is Debbie Dashinger and welcome to Dare to Dream. I'm very excited about this episode because we're going to do a deep dive into some UFology from a world-renowned expert, Dr. Steven Greer. And this podcast has been nominated for two People's Choice podcast awards for a Webby Award, and it's been listed in Welp Magazine as one of the top 20 best podcasts to listen to this year. Please subscribe, like, leave a comment. We read them all and respond as we can. The show is sponsored by Dr. Dane here in Access Consciousness. They do beautiful energy work out into the world. If you'd like to take a class, become a facilitator anywhere in the world. Go to drdanehere.com as well as accessconsciousness.com. And I myself am a visibility expert. I teach folks how to write a highly engaging book, private coaching for book writing as well as group sessions. And I also have a company that takes books to a guaranteed international bestseller. And finally, I teach spiritual entrepreneurs how to be interviewed on radio and podcasts so you can get massive results for your being and for your business because you came here to be a light right now. And I've got some free gifts for you so you can learn how to use media to become highly visible right now. Go to debbie-shinger.com slash gift. That's D-E-B-B-I-D-A-C-H-I-N-G-E-R.com slash gift. Today my guest is Dr. Steven Greer, one of the world's foremost authorities on the subject of UFOs, extraterrestrial intelligence and technologies and initiating peaceful contact with interstellar civilizations. For over 30 years, Dr. Greer has provided briefings for senior government officials across the globe, conducted numerous media interviews and delivered hundreds of lectures. He's also written five books and produced four feature film documentaries that have been seen by hundreds of millions of people. Dr. Greer's relentless efforts toward the disclosure of classified UFO, ET information of inspired millions of supporters around the world. To learn more, go to seriousdisclosure.com that's S-I-R-I-U-S disclosure.com and his YouTube channel is Dr. Steven Greer, 55. With that, I welcome Dr. Greer to Dear to Dream. So great to have you here. Thank you. It's good to see you. I really appreciate your time. Me as well. This is the conversation as far as I'm concerned. And I think not only have I gotten woke as I just shared with you about three years ago, but ever since then, this is my path. My shows changed everything. The conversations changed and what I do. I use your app. I do a lot of things around this that are of interest to me. Why do you think now, why do you think so many of us are becoming awake to the truth of this information? Well, I think it's a long process, but I also think that the universe is aligning for our civilization to move out of the last what I call large cycle or UGA about 450,000 years into a new one. And the new cycle we're entering is a universal one, by the way. It's not just Earth. It's the entire cosmos. And it's about a 500,000 year cycle. So we're in sort of the cross currents of the one closing in the other one opening. And so I think everyone on this planet right now are here to be part of the birthing, as it were, of a whole new time in human civilization. A big part of it is the fact that we're going to become a cosmic civilization. But the foundation of that, which is how I first entered into this whole subject, is the understanding of cosmic consciousness and higher states of consciousness. Even from even the technological issues we're dealing with with the UFO subject require a high degree of enlightenment for them to be used safely. As you know, all technologies that humans have created over the last couple thousand years have been bent to the purpose of war. And that's very dangerous. And so when you start dealing with interstellar technologies, what's so called trans dimensional physics, the prime operator here has to be higher consciousness. It's peaceful. And otherwise it'll just be another weapon system, which is what covert programs have done, frankly, to get into that. So I think that the real essence of it is that there is a pulse moving through the cosmos and through universal, the universal field of consciousness that is calling people to understand not only this issue properly, but where humanity and Earth's places in the scheme of cosmic order and the cosmic thrust change that's happening, which it is a big change here and elsewhere. So I think that's really sort of the big picture. More specifically, however, this subject has broken into the mainstream. It's all been in the mainstream media in the last few years after we did those of you who have an internet connection can see this documentary called unacknowledged. And it's had about 740 million people see it. And it's about the work we've done on these classified projects that then led to a bunch of people coming out of the Pentagon that ended up on 60 minutes in CNN and New York Times. So what we've been trying to do for about 30 years is to find the evidence and the sources to make the scientific case that these objects are real. The part that isn't being reported in the media, unfortunately, is that many of the ones that people are seeing are classified covert human aircraft. And the actual ET ones are often ignored by the media. And this is a very interesting development that's new in the last three or four years. I think the other thing that's being ignored is that everyone's obsessed with the machinery. And when I started this project in 1990 as a young doctor, 32 years ago, I said, we're all focused on this machinery. I'm more interested in who's inside. It's a very simple perspective. But it's like if the president of the United States or the Dalai Lama is pulling up for a meeting, are you really obsessed with the car? Are you interested in the person who's inside? It's just a simple way of putting it. So really, I think we have to shift our focus, at least for this discussion today, on who are inside these craft? Why are they here? How do we make contact? How do we establish a peaceful relationship instead of letting it devolve into the hands of war mongers and militarists? And that isn't going to happen at the White House in Congress in UN yet.  So that's why we started what you referred to, the CE5 Contact Initiative, Close Encounters of the Fifth Time. And the CE5 Contact app, you can get at your app store, is actually a whole training program. So people can learn the techniques that can be used so that each person can become sort of a liaison between humanity and these civilizations, which I think is so important. It's the ultimate citizen's diplomacy. That's interesting, because I've used your app. We have your app. Our friends have your app. And we've done several out in Joshua Tree experiences. And the first time we did, it was a beautiful evening. I mean, whether something happens or not, it's just spectacular. But it didn't, there were a lot of false starts. And then around one or two in the morning, we were driving home. It's a long drive back to Los Angeles. Two people asleep in the back seat. My partner's driving. I'm in the front seat staying awake, so he stays awake. And all of a sudden I looked up above the truck we were in. And there was a craft sitting there, not moving, no propulsion. And I freaked. I'm like, pull over, right? We couldn't pull over fast enough, actually, because there was enough traffic still. But strangely, when we did get over and get out our phones so we could take pictures, nobody else saw it. My question to you, though, is because so many people were balking and saying, oh, that was government this and that. It was putting it off to something else. I know what it felt like, but how does somebody know when they see these things in the sky? How do they know that this is actually from another civilization or another planet or universe or parallel universe? Or this is something that we stole here that is actually an alien technology? Yeah, I think very, very good question. Now, it's the heart of what we're going to be focusing a lot on. We're doing a conference in Scottsdale, April 8th, 9th, and 10th that people can attend virtually. It's sold out pretty much at this point, but people can be there through webinar. That's a really key point, but the ones that are actually interstellar, first of all, all their communication systems are not going through the speed of light like you and I are right now, electromagnetic. They're going through thought and consciousness interface technologies, what I call consciousness assisted technologies, and so they're interactive with thought and intent, and people need to remember that. The second is the man-made ones don't do that and also have parts. So if there are seams and rivets like you see on our Boeing 747, but it looks like a UFO and there are structural elements, that ain't interstellar. The interstellar ones are seamless. Often they're like a plasma or a light. They can be partially in or out of this dimension, and they have almost a light from them, and the feeling from them is very rarefied. It's a very clear, even if it's not clearly in this dimension, it's partially in this dimension, we can get into that. It's kind of like a re-estate. You can dim and brighten a light bulb, a light where you turned a knob. These technologies that are interstellar allow them to be fully on 3D, only partially in this dimension, and appear like an orb or something, but they're very, very different from something that's being built by Lockheed Skunkworks, or when they're space contractors. My uncle worked for Northrop Grumman and helped design the lunar module that put the first man on the moon, that funny looking machine that landed the first time. That was my uncle worked on that, but I think that they're a very clear, distinctive, and the third big distinction. So there's the consciousness thought interface, there's how it appears, and then it's whether or not it's got the feeling of being invasive. If it's invasive and scary, it is always ours. This is why so many people who have been quote unquote abducted, we now have CIA documents and witnesses from inside intelligence operations where they've used the man-made UFOs to quote abduct and scare people for its psychological warfare value, because ultimately these fascists and war mongers want an interplanetary war, so we're trying to stop that. But there's a very distinct energy, since you do energy work, that's kind of invasive. Whereas the actual ET ones are there, they're wanting you to acknowledge them, it's very back and forth, it's very gentle. Now people may get startled when it comes on 3D, but they're not invasive where they're going to do anything like that. So there are certain, I call hard indicators, like the structure and what have you, and others that are more energetic, and the biggest one is the consciousness thought interface. So I tell people, if you see something that's your questioning, think with clear direct intent and ask it to do something that a normal aircraft can't do, and you can be specific, come closer, go up, go right, and many, many times they will. And when that or come, do something else, just say do something really amazing, and we've had this happen where they come and they're sitting there, and then they come in and make, one of them came in over Joshua Tree, I think it was when I was with Samuel Lovato, and it came in and made a symbol of a fish. And then that line it made in the sky stayed there for 45 minutes, even in a windstorm, weird stuff, cool stuff. So there is this interactive component to it, and people say, oh, how weird. I say, what's not weird when you think, you and I are communicating at the speed of light, but at the speed of light from the Andromeda galaxy, which is two and a half million light years from here, it would take two and a half million years for you to say, hi, how you doing? And another two and a half million years for someone there to say, I'm okay today, how are you? That's five million years at the speed that you and I are communicating. So all of their technologies are phasing through increasingly conscious dimensions and fields, but are also interfacing, not just psychically or telepathically, interfacing with very advanced technologies, electromagnetic subtle fields, transdimensional physics, we call it, is beyond the scope of this discussion today, but we're going to go into that quite a bit over the weekend in Scottsdale, April 8th, 9th, and 10th, but I think that's why the CE5 contact effort, there is sort of a learning curve initially, but then once you figure out some of these markers and information, it becomes clearer and clearer. The other thing that what you said is classic. People will be out there wanting to make contact, and often that sets up the conditions. And then when you're least expected, they've picked up on it, then they appear. Why? Part of it is that when you're actually doing it, a lot of people are tied up very much on trying to force it. It's like when you're trying to go into deep meditation or fall asleep. If you try too hard, it doesn't work, but when you set up the conditions and then that's then running almost subconsciously, then the event will happen. We've observed this for 30 years. The other part of it is that it may be that when you're actually doing it very intently with the techniques and we send out electronic tones out into space with these tones that we have that are in the app, by the way, the CE5 contact app, we find that often it'll be when you least expect it because it could be that if they did it right then, the military might intercept them and try to shoot them down. So there are hundreds of impinging exigencies that are very hard to calculate in the moment, but these civilizations are certainly calculating it and I attempt to when I'm leading a team. And so I tell people it's a very nuanced and sort of a dance, cosmic dance between humans and these civilizations and setting the conditions up. The most important condition, by the way, is the purity of heart and what your intention is. They're not so much interested in people who are just curious to see them. They're more interested in people who are devoted in a prurated way to developing a positive peaceful relationship between humanity and their peoples, not just one civilization, all of them. Because that's the hallmark of the era we're moving into is universal peace, not world peace. World peace should have been 1918 after World War I. It's too late for only world peace. We're going to have to transition quickly to world and interplanetary peace. And that has to happen fairly quickly. Yes. So I want people to have an idea juxtaposition here because, Dr. Greer, you've attended really high-level meetings with hundreds of military, government insiders, whistleblowers, briefings with government officials.  I'm curious because I know you had humble beginnings. Did you ever envision on your life journey that you would be here in this UFO universal related having meetings with executives of the world? Some deep part of me probably did. Honestly, I did when I was maybe three, four, five years old, but didn't know quite how it would play out. And I grew up very poor in the south in a shack with two rooms, no central heat, no air conditioning, put myself through high school and college and medical school. And I always joke of my African American girlfriend in high school, we thought was so rich because her father delivered letters for the post office. And for our family, they were like, so wealthy. We were just amazed. That's how poor we were. Anyway, so, but I had some experiences when I was young that indicated when I was eight, I had a clear daytime. I had an ET craft come over the neighborhood I grew up in in Charlotte, North Carolina. And my twin sister and some friends saw it. Of course, my parents said, oh, those don't exist. That was your hallucinating or you were making this up. But we saw, we know what we saw. And then after that, I started having some contact experiences sort of in the dream state at night. And then when I was 17, I got very sick and died, had a near death experience. And I was raised in a very devout atheist family. But they didn't believe in anything. So when I had that happen, I had this experience of cosmic consciousness that was so beautiful. And it was unbelievably beautiful. And then I decided after that I'm going to learn meditation. So on my 18th birthday, I learned how to meditate and then went off to college. Well, when I was up in the North Carolina mountains, you probably have seen this in the movie Close Encounters of the Fifth Time. It's up on Amazon and everywhere now. But what happened is that I went up there just to meditate at sunset up on this 5,000 foot mountains. Mountain in the North Carolina Blue Ridge. And just before sunset, the same spacecraft that I saw when I was 8 or 9 appeared. And it materialized, sun shining on it over in the Southwest. And then it sort of dematerialized. And I said, oh, they're back. I didn't think anything more. And I went into this deep meditation. And at the end of the meditation, it was so long, I opened my eyes and it was pitch dark at the Milky Way above me. I was up to over 5,000 feet crystal clear weather in October of 1973, dating myself now. But I'm a young 18, I just turned 18. And I go into that state of samadhi and cosmic consciousness that I had when I died. And there was an ET craft and beings that were right there and came over and one of them touched me. And so I knew from when I was young, I had a connection to this, but I had no idea it would play out this way. In part because I don't know that the universe at that time had hoped this would be resolved in terms of government and technology. And I kind of think those of us trying to do this now were sort of the last stop on the F train because the world was getting F'd and big time. Because the technologies behind how these things move would tomorrow get us off all oil, gas, coal, nuclear and in poverty in the world. And that is real. Those technologies exist. The world is 100 years behind where it should be. And that's why we have all these geopolitical problems, oil wars, pollution, biosphere collapse, et cetera. It's all man made. And it can be fixed by people. But I think that somehow that didn't get resolved because of corruption. And then when I started this project in 1990, two years later in 1992, I was down in Florida and we were doing the CE5 contact techniques on a beach near Pensacola. And suddenly four of these ET craft appeared. And it's that funny video. You can't see very well, but it was a very bad quality camera.  You know, it's a very funny video, excuse my language. But it's really cool. And but that ended up on the front page of the Pensacola paper the next morning because other people took a picture. It was a huge event. And then the entire intelligence community, head of Army Intelligence, CINSA people approached me because they knew we had discovered sort of the reset a stone of making contact because they knew this was real. I mean, I've been ridiculed a lot even in the UFO circles for using consciousness and meditative states and all this. But the intelligence community knew this back in the 50s, by the way. So they knew here's a group of civilians not under their control, bypassing their control freak systems and also their disinformation, you know, where everyone, nobody would do this. Those are terrified of the aliens. I'm going, no, you don't need to be afraid of the E.T. You need to be afraid of these fascists that are running these programs. And that really concerned them. So they came after me and came after me hard. But at the same time, the universe moved into place. People I call the white hats, the good people who are in the intelligence community in Pentagon who wanted to support what we were doing. And so a year later, I'm briefing the director of the CIA for Bill Clinton. I mean, so that happened very quickly between 92 and 93. So that's how that unfolded. Clinton Library, you know, it shows that there's at least five folders, at least 45 pages about conversations, meetings that you had directly with President Clinton. Did anything good come of that? Any kind of change? No, because here's the big problem people need to understand. This is why we have to do a citizen's diplomacy effort with the E.T.s. I was in meetings in the past week in Washington with very senior people who are being blocked from getting any information on this from the intelligence still. And Clinton was completely pushed aside. So Lawrence Rockefeller hosted him at the Rockefeller Ranch. We put together the briefing materials. He was hosted after I spent about three hours briefing the director of the CIA for Bill Clinton. And it was very devastating because when I learned, and I didn't believe it initially, I thought it was a very bad John Le Carr novel or a conspiracy theory. I didn't believe it, that the president and people like that and senior senators I had met with were being denied access to these projects that they were deep black beyond black. And that's why we named that movie unacknowledged. It's the first word in unacknowledged special access project, which are the ones that are being managed without legal authority and oversight. That's very dangerous, honestly, when you're dealing with this kind of knowledge and technology for a group of people who have fascist, totalitarian tendencies to have this kind of knowledge, science, technology. But the president was not given barely any information. And every president since them have been in a similar boat.  So it's been very manipulative as opposed to honest. And then I am asked to come in and correct that. So towards the end of the Trump era, some of his close friends says, you've got to put together information for them because if he gets a second term, he didn't. This is going to go further. And I said, yeah, it's very dangerous. But other presidents have been a bit trick that way also. The same thing has happened in the Congress. For years, I've met with senators and Congresspeople who have been on key committees such as intelligence, armed services, government oversight. All of them have been blocked and denied access. So I think that I'm one of the few people who can speak with authority from being firsthand, briefing these people that there really is something very, very wrong with governance and control of these projects. It's not that there aren't black projects that are overseen by the president and Congress. There are. There are unacknowledged projects overseen, but not this subject. This is in a category unto itself. And because of that, they can't really... I'm asked all the time, why this president or this senator or this other state or this prime minister in the United Kingdom disclosed this. I said, I'll tell you what the CIA director told me. Word for word. Very end of the meeting, I go, we really need you and the president to get fully in control of these projects and bring them out to the public so they could benefit the planet tremendously and also avoid conflict with these civilizations. And he turned to me. The CIA director right in my face says, how do we disclose that which we have no access to? That is a devastating admission. So this is the mess we're in. So a few years ago, I gave up my medical career to try to resolve that problem at the same time and bring those sciences and technologies out so we can save the biosphere. At the same time, we're trying with the CE5 contact effort to train millions of people around the world. And I appreciate your help getting this word out to know how to do this because when enough people unite in consciousness, positively, and you know this from the studies and the science of consciousness, it can shift, it only takes 1% of the population doing something at a higher level of consciousness in a meditative state to move the other 99% of the people in a positive direction. So there's enormous power if enough people do this together with a clear intention of why they're doing it. It's got to be something beyond just curiosity and sort of a facile passing interest. It has to be something that's deeper, you know, which is really key, heart and soul. I think if you said anybody would poke fun at it, you know, I think the protocol of the CE5 is brilliant. And one of the things I really like about it that I find like, duh, it's genius, is that we can speak in consciousness to who is out there and let them know where we are. And so you talked about the fact that you did this in one of your documentaries, you did this when you were younger, and then you've incorporated this into the protocol that you could literally create a world map, then a country map, a state map, and precisely where you're sitting to say, please come. And you know, I'm geographically challenged. So it's amazing that that would be the one that I love the most, but I do because I can visualize that and it makes sense, energies, everything. Yes, and remember that those visual thought forms are real. What is thought? What is a quanta, a discrete thing of thought? Well, you know, if you were to show this iPhone I'm using to Thomas Jefferson, his house is right down the road here, a couple hundred years ago, it would be considered sorcery. It'd be witchcraft, it'd be magic. So think about civilizations that are hundreds of thousands, some of them millions of years more advanced than we are. What their technologies look like, and all of their communication technologies and even their ability to materialize and dematerialize are interfacing in this field consciousness and thought. And that's why I tell people the next huge science of the next thousand years is the science of consciousness. And it was useful for me, by the way, before I became a medical doctor to become a meditation teacher. So, you know, people like Louise Hay of Hay House was a student of mine and a lot of other people. And I was 19, but I got finished college and then went off to become a meditation teacher and then went around the world setting up meditation centers when I was 19, 20, 21. I was in Israel for three years doing stuff. So it was like very interesting. But it was really good that I did that before I was a medical doctor, which is very rigorous left brain, but I had had these experiences in higher consciousness and Sanskrit and the Vedas, the Vedic teachings and the cities, S-I-D-D-H-I-S, which are the abilities and powers that you develop when you experience higher, deeper states of consciousness, such as levitation, materialization, telekinesis, clairvoyance into the future, telepathy, all that. Those are all cities. And you learn about those when I practiced them and I had a couple of levitation experiences, when spontaneous ones I wasn't trying to. But I think that becomes something that you begin to understand and that this really is the biggest part of the secret that the intelligence community doesn't want people to know, because if everyone knew that the totality of the cosmos and the cosmic consciousness is enfolded like a hologram, a conscious hologram in every single person, that every single awake person, human and ET, have the totality of all that there is enfolded within the structure of consciousness, their own consciousness. That's the deep aspect, the universal aspect. When people realize that, then the kind of power that people who are at that state of knowledge and experience, there's nothing that these intelligence communities can do to stop that. That's the power of that. Yeah, it's so interesting how history repeats itself and somehow mankind does not learn, because we're still living in a time where there's these superpowers in these states they're still jockeying for commodity and resource control to maddening, to watch play out. How does it impact or affect or influence any invitations or any issues making extraterrestrial contact with what's happening today? I think that there's always needs to be what is called situational awareness. It's a good term that the military uses, of what's going on around you. But overall, I would say the ETs are always watching what's going on like in Ukraine. They're very aware, don't forget, the big modern era when all these craft came in was when we detonated the first atomic bomb. Roswell was not an accident that they were there. It was the only place on the planet in 1947 where atomic weapons were stored at that time. That's why they were there, because when we detonate those, it not only creates huge damage on Earth that they're concerned about, it creates a beyond the electromagnetic pulse that everyone's heard about that can take out all of our electricity and communications. It creates another wave that's called a scalar or longitudinal pulse that's faster than the speed of light that damages extraterrestrial worlds and communication and travel. So it says, forgive them, they know not what they do. When we did this, Edward Teller and Einstein, Oppenheimer, none of them realized that it would have that effect because they didn't understand the trans-dimensional aspect of an atomic or an thermonuclear later hydrogen bomb detonation. But the ETs did. And that also indicated that we were a civilization that while we have a great deal of promise, if we stay on that path, it could extinguish life on Earth, but we could become a threat to innocent planets out there. So I think that all of this is caused there to be, let's call it the cosmic order, and there is a cosmic order of these civilizations that work together. There are dozens, hundreds of them that we've been in touch with, very concerned about what happens when a society such as Earth has technologies that get way ahead of their spiritual and social development. And so it's not in balance. So what we have to do, we have to balance social and spiritual development as we develop these extraordinary, wonderful technologies. Why? Because as I said earlier on in this interview, if that's not brought into balance, those amazing technologies get bent to the purpose of war and are taken over by people who profit from war, benefit from war, control the masses through fear and war. And that's something that is a huge problem. I suspect many civilizations have gone this way before us. But if we don't get it right, it's an extinction level event that could happen. And the ETs are aware of that. And I think that that's the message many of us have received since childhood is that we have to really change the way we're living on this planet. Even Colonel Corso who wrote the book The Day After Roswell told us that before he died that we had a meeting with an E.T. out at White Sands where we detonated the first atomic bomb, the E.T. said to him, please stop doing these things. And of course he said, what's in it for me? And the E.T. said, I end the documentary Close Encounters of the Fifth Kind this way because it's such a beautiful story. The E.T. turns to this old Colonel Air Force Colonel and says, a new world if you can take it. A new world, a totally new world, beautiful. Powerful. Yeah. I love what you said here. Technology that we are using on this planet that's beyond our spiritual and social development is a great sound bite. Because we have to bring it into balance. We have to bring up our social and spiritual awareness and how we behave together so that we can handle these technologies which could, they can be used as weapons, but these so-called zero point and even anti-gravity technologies could transform the world into a paradise, literally. Perfect. But yeah, see it's a double-edged sword though if it's used by lower consciousness for war and for social disruption or Machiavellian manipulative things like is normally the case with power-hungry sociopaths which unfortunately are most leaders on the planet. Most people, yes, in charge. This is true. Yeah, in charge. That's why they're there. They like the power. You know, it's really interesting you bring that up Dr. Greer because I know you've been supervising this global search for alternative energy sources. You just mentioned them, zero point. Also over unity devices. How is your plan going to identify to develop these in order to eliminate the need for fossil fuels? That's been the hardest thing to do because no one in the corporate government world wants to do it and so far the civilian community interested in this subject has not had the resources to develop it independently. There are people who stumbled across this technology. They're usually confiscated.  And we've tested them and it seems to be it's fraud. And then there are the ones who have them but in order for them to move it forward they want a hundred million dollars or 10 million which we don't. I'm a retired emergency doctor. I'm not a hedge fund manager or something. So I think part of it is the resources. I'm thinking because I don't have anyone who knows how to do this but I'm thinking of launching a series of NFTs and maybe even a cryptocurrency that would be the revenue would be dedicated to opening a research and development lab to develop these and do it open source. What I mean open source is no intellectual property hold back. It's released in real time as soon as we have our discoveries for free on the internet. Anyone who can build a system like this could build it. There'll be no licensing, no intellectual property, no hold backs, no patents because that's the only way to get it out because the patent office is going to confiscate it. I know people who've done that and they get what's called an NSO national security order on it and it's taken. So I think that we have a plan for doing it but we've never had the resources to do it. Everything we do like these documentaries unacknowledged close encounters of the fifth kind, the new one that came out this summer, the cosmic hoax. Those all are crowdfunded and we can raise a few hundred thousand dollars to do that kind of thing. But you're talking 50 to 100 million dollars to open a research and development lab staffed up with physicists and engineers that know what they're doing safely and the information technology systems. So the whole lab is live streamed. My goal is that the entire process would be transparently on blockchain live stream.  So I think that we have a plan for it but it's not going to be done as inexpensively as putting on doing a feature film. And we've never had those resources. Maybe someone listening could do that. If we could get one venture capital fund to do it as an angel effort there in Silicon Valley for a fraction of what they put into things that really don't matter. The next internet app or something, it would be done. I think we'd probably have something about a year and a half because I have a CIA disk that has hundreds of pages of confiscated patents that deal with this that were handed off to us. But I'm an electrical or mechanical engineer and most people, if you gave them a plan of how to build their toaster oven couldn't do it. I couldn't. So you have to have people who can do that and then get it out to the public. But that's a big problem. That's the third leg of what we've worked on. We've worked on disclosure, CE5, contact. This part of it's been the hardest thing to accomplish because it's also the most, in many ways, it's the ultimate disruptive technology. I mean, to be frank with you.  Well, goodbye public utilities. Goodbye all the Fortune 100 corporations that are related to stocks and transportation, energy. Goodbye oil. Goodbye entire national economies that are oil dependent economies, Russia, Venezuela, the Middle East, Iran. They would have to find another thing to do besides pumping junk out of the ground and destroying the biosphere. So it's an enormous undertaking. It should have been done 100 years ago. Tesla knew this stuff. But here we are. We have to deal with the hand we've been dealt. It's a difficult hand, but I think we can do it. But it is not going to be easy. Easy would have been between 1880s and 1920s. That's when it should have happened. Looking historically. And we could have, you know, one of the next big feature films I want to do is I call it the lost century where we have this huge archive of proof of all these sort of technologies and devices that existed 100 years ago and what happened to them, how they vanished. And to make the case for not just that they exist, but here's a plan to get them out. And then at the end have a lot of really good motion graphics that show what the world looks like in 10 years, 20 years, 50 years, 100 years. And this is some real concern. I have four daughters and 11 grandkids. And so you think, well, what are we leaving here? You know, this should have been fixed by time I was born in 1955. I'm no spring chicken. So and here we are, you know, two thirds of a century later, three quarters of a century after Roswell still running on cars. And I tell people with battery cars, I have one, I have two, but you're plugging that in to an electric grid that's fired 80% of it from oil, gas and coal. It makes you feel good, but it's not a solution unless the underlying energy that's running the electric grid is clean. But solar and wind. I have the largest solar panel farm in Virginia allowable by law. It won't even heat or cool this house when our power goes out. And it's very expensive. So that's not going to be a solution in the next 10, 20, 30 years. And that's barely all the time we have left. So we're going to have to bring out these amazing new technologies that you referred to. It's passed to 100 years. I can't help the fact that I couldn't have worked on it when I was before I was born. But I think if enough of us come together in consciousness, but also in hard work, we could make that happen. But we have to understand the kind of headwinds that are blowing against us. There are a lot of special interests, let's call it, powerful interests, everything from the Petro dollar to everyone who has oil, gas, coal, public utilities, nuclear power plants. All of that would go the way of horse and buggies. They'd be museum pieces. That's a big deal. Big deal. I got to say, you brought up something. And I hope I'm making a connection you might not have considered before. But when you brought up NFTs and crypto, you have a good friend who actually can help you with that. By the name of Billy Carson. Oh, okay. So Billy is rather an expert in this area. I'll take 10%. Thank you very much. And I would reach out to him for some assistance specifically with what you're talking about because he does webinars and stuff around this. So he's a great resource for you. Yeah, I need someone who can actually do it because I don't know how to program anything. In fact, I'm lucky I got on this in-call.  But I'm better with the fibrillators. Anyway. That's what your wife said. He doesn't like the camera in Zoom. I was like, but he's on camera all the time. Now I get it. I know. Yeah. No, I'm 10 thumbs with any of this stuff. But I do think that that is one way of doing it. The other, if anyone's listening, if anyone has such a system already built and they need to find a way to get it out, if I had something already operational, let me make this plea. If I had something fully operational that we could vet, test, reproduce, no hold backs, we could sign a non-disclosure agreement. There are people I know that if I could prove we have something like that, could make that person whole. And so that they would release it for public use. And I, at this point, have enough supporters and celebrity supporters that we could get that out to about a billion people very quickly. That knowledge that it exists. So that's something we are looking for, but someone would need to cooperate with the disclosure of it. Many of these inventors, they want to, it's like my precious ring. You know, it's like the Gollum or whatever, Lord of the Rings. They don't want the put, they're afraid someone's going to steal their idea. And so what we need is to find somebody who understands that we're running out of time for those intellectual property games. But there are now people in my network that could take care of those people financially so we could be clear to then open source it. Because I think the only way we're going to get it out quickly enough to save the biosphere and change the dynamic that we're in with the climate and also pollution, but also importantly, look what's going on in Ukraine. That's in a way an oil war. That's right. Russian oil, Germany, Western Europe, totally dependent on it. You know, I put, two weeks ago, I put up on my YouTube channel about an hour and 10 minute to piece about Ukraine. I watched the whole thing. Yeah. Yeah. And it's really important that people understand that these things are not unrelated to the UFO and the energy and technology issue. They're very related, these geopolitical conflicts. Because the reason we're in the jackpot we're in is that we have not brought out these things that have been wonderful sciences and technologies that would have made all that geopolitical dynamic based on oil obsolete decades ago. And now the chickens are coming home to roost and we're on the verge of potentially World War III with nuclear weapons with Russia. It's very dangerous, you know, but it's avoidable. And, you know, as Einstein said, no problem was ever served or saved. I mean, no problem is ever solved by the level of consciousness that created it. So the level of consciousness agreed and centralized power and money based on the oil and petrodollar can't you can't redo that with these new technologies or what Silicon Valley does with a new iPhone or a new app or what have you, where everything has to be secret and monetized for, you know, you know, someone who has a billion dollars once a hundred billion dollars. We're going to have to do this in a different way with a different consciousness. And that's we have to find people who understand that because the intelligence community is always 10 steps ahead of these inventors. They know exactly what they have. At the moment it begins to emerge and go through a normal venture capital or patent. They're going to intercept it and they're going to neutralize it by any means necessary. So we have to develop a strategy and we have to work around their advantage.  That's what I did with the disclosure project. They couldn't do anything about it. So your upcoming conference in Arizona, April 8th through 10th, it's sold out. However, people will attend. Yes, they can attend by webinar. Right, virtually streaming, which sounds awesome. So I just want to let people know if they want to be the easiest way is go to the website seriousdisclosure.com. It's right there. As soon as you sign on, s-i-r-i-u-s disclosure.com. I understand that every evening at your conference, it includes a pooja ceremony. And on the final evening, participants even virtually can join in this outdoor event under the stars. Tell us about that. Yes, beautiful. So Friday night to 8th and Saturday night, the 9th, we can't be out on the native land those nights. So we're going to do it inside, but we're going to do a Sanskrit pooja meditation and an entire training for meditation and the CE5 contact protocols. And we'll have people there, about 600 people in the auditorium there, and then thousands of people online doing it simultaneously to create this mass consciousness effect. And then the last night on the Sunday, the 10th, we'll be out under the stars. We're going to have a little stage out in the desert. And we'll have about 500 people out there as all that site can hold on this beautiful Native American land east of Scottsdale out in the desert. And they've given us permission to do this out there. And it's beautiful. And I love that because my grandma was, my dad's mother was Cherokee. I'm 516th Native American. So for me, it's really beautiful to do it on a sacred native land. What is your daily ritual? Would you have a practice that you do? I'm pretty sure I know the answer, but I'm curious anyway, what do you do every day to stay so calm and centered? What works for you? A lot of things. I eat well. My wife's a great cook and takes great care of us. Don't ask me to boil an egg. I work out a lot about six to 10 hours a week at the gym and also mountain biking, hiking. And I meditate every day. And even before dinner, I always take half an hour, 45 minutes to meditate. I do meditations and go into deep meditative states before bed and do lucid dreaming. And so I have this balance between physical activity and my work and staying in the meditative state. And then I do these retreats where we go away. Like after this three day event, there's about 35 of us going out into the wilderness for a week and just doing nothing for a whole six nights but in days of meditation and being out in the stars and making contact. And I'm leading it, so it's not like I'm off as it were. I'm not, you know, but it's very renewing to do that because you get so much inner strength from those higher states of consciousness and the energy from it. So that's what I'm doing because, you know, I pretty much push myself 120 hours a week at this stage with everything I'm working on. So that's kind of my lifestyle routine. And I'm very, like in the morning, well, my mornings are odd because I go to bed around 4 a.m. and get up at noon. That's my normal schedule. I'm very much a night person. But my breakfast for me is a fruit juice, water, and an orange. I always have an orange. That's it. And then I'll have a protein shake. That's it. And then we'll have a lunch and dinner. But I'm very much trying to keep myself in good enough shape to do what I'm doing. And I love it. It's great stress management.  Yeah, I love working out. It's fun. Yeah. Yeah, I just rejoined a gym, which is like, you know, would have been a pedestrian conversation at one point. And after two years of the pandemic, it's like you did watch. It's amazing how excited I got. It is wonderful. Yeah. And even with during that, I got some things here at the house and then we'd go mountain biking, hiking out here. And, you know, it's just going to my great love, how I found spirit was through nature. My first great love was the earth and nature. And I found a great peace and also spirituality and the wonder and beauty of everything not man made. So growing up a poor boy in the south and rags. I was so happy with flowers and trees and skinny dipping and streams running around like a urchin. But it was all about nature and being outdoors. So I get great. For me, it's very renewing to be out in nature. What are you next year to dream, Dr. Geer? What kind of future dreams and goals do you have? Well, my great dream is to have enough people doing CE5 contact that it causes this trend, phase transition, as it's called. Where a critical mass of people begin to move in the right direction where earth becomes a peaceful global civilization. And that happening at the same time disclosure that we're working on. By the way, I can't talk about what's going on in Washington right now, but the biggest advances since I've been doing this in 32 years are going on right now that I'm involved with. And that's a little zinger. Just think about that. And so I still have the dream of seeing the world that I've seen in lucid, precognitive dreams come about where there's no pollution. There's no poverty. We're moving across the land floating in these devices quietly. There are no freeways. And our civilization can finally move on to focusing on the achievement of enlightenment as a civilization. That's my dream. That's what I'm working on until I get carried out of here first. Thank you so much for coming on the show today and for the work you do. Thank you.  I appreciate you having me. Such a pleasure. And folks, if you're ready to learn more, you can reach out at seriousdisclosure.com to connect with Dr. Greer and his team, as well as his YouTube channel, which is youtube.com slash Dr. Stephen Greer 55. And I end today's show with this quote from Dr. Stephen Greer. Never be discouraged by this transient time of chaos. Keep your sight fixed on that far horizon, knowing the far horizon is not really that far. For it is already here, folded within us. Subscribe to the show. If you're listening on the podcast, go ahead and join the YouTube channel at youtube.com slash Debbie Daschinger. Leave a comment, share. And next week on the show, I am featuring Walter Zajak. 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The Kremlin prohibits officials from resigning during wartime, otherwise, a criminal case awaits them. About it, important stories report with reference to four sources, including to an employee of former federal security service, a political technologist and two high-ranking officials of the Putin administration. I know of at least two cases where the governors tried to leave their post, but they were not only forbidden to do so while managing the internal policy of the presidential administration, but also hinted that a criminal case would be opened, said a former employee of the federal security service. It is claimed that there are many who want to leave the service, but this is immediately seen as treason in the Kremlin.


What's going on? How are you guys today? Some of you might have seen this video last week before I took it down and I was bombarded with so many shield comments I just wanted to play it safe. I'm not giving medical advice. I'm not showing you guys a medical procedure I'm not saying you should do this. I'm not saying this is safe This is simply something I've been doing myself You know in the past when I didn't do this I would usually get sick for a day or two even longer now When I do this never get sick not once have I gotten sick after doing this flush So a couple weeks ago I saw an article saying that it's dangerous to put iodine in your oral or nasal cavity And I thought that was weird because I was doing this long before that and you know when the government tells you things It's usually the opposite of the truth Brand meat is bad for you vegetable seed oils are good for your heart. The Sun will give you skin cancer. I mean They're lying deceiving people getting them to believe that what's bad for them is actually good for them in the opposite So it's kind of hard because people do trust and respect authority even though authority wants a bunch of good little slaves So you guys might have also seen my video over a year ago on halogens on iodine Talking about how the government pollutes our food and water supply with bromide Fluoride and chlorine which are toxins to all of our cells, especially our brain and iodine is an antagonist to those So yeah, obviously the government doesn't want you getting iodine because it counters a lot of the stuff They're trying to poison you with so let alone doing a flush like this or even if they you know Swap test you or put something in your mouth This will clean it out if they want you to get sick This is the opposite of what they want you to do some of you also commented on that video. Hey Frank That's bad you're clearing out all of the good bacteria in your nasal and oral microbiome and I don't think that's true at all because Your esophagus and your stomach is very close that good bacteria Just going to come back up before the bad foreign bacteria can go back down So you're better off doing this than not and you can always drink water kefir or probiotics And repopulate your oral and nasal microbiome very quickly But if that foreign body goes deeper and you get sick or it stays there a while and you get sick It's going to take your body much much longer days to weeks to recover from that hypothetical illness So it's pretty simple. You just need a bottle of high-quality water and iodine I have this on organ supplements and this is stained Which is important because be very careful with iodine guys if your bathrooms white If you have any white stuff, it's going to stain the hell out of it if you get it on anything So be very very careful now. I'm just going to take a bit of this iodine and put it in the bottle Now iodine has a transdermal absorption rate of about 10% But if you put it in your body, it's much much higher than that I've made this to be much safer some of you guys are probably familiar with Lugl's iodine Which is a very high-dose iodine. This is about 10% of the strength of Lugl So it's much safer to do and when you put this you'll get a mild Flavor or hint of iodine, but it's going to be nothing pungent and those articles Probably do have some truth to them if you're using a very highly concentrated iodine, which you don't want to do Which is why I use a very small amount. This is plenty to flush everything out. So I Like to rinse my mouth out and gargle first Then you take a towel Put it right here, and we're just going to gently pour this up each nose. It's not that uncomfortable Definitely don't use sparkling water, which I did once that was a that was uncomfortable So you feel it drip down Into the back of your throat and really clean out that whole area and then your ears open up Like I know you guys are probably familiar with like that feeling. Oh, it's in there. I can't get to it That's your nasal cavity. So when you do this, you feel that all open up I feel like the back of my throat a little bit. It feels relieving and Usually do this twice I'll swallow a little bit of it in the back just to make sure I get all my throat and then we'll do the nasal cavity again And I could also just take like regular water and do just one rinse to get the excess iodine out But I never really done that You know this happens when I do the Wi-Fi EMF stuff, too It's really a secret. They don't want the average person to know about because it's kind of Countering all of the things they used to control people, you know If they use radiation and energy to work people's minds and then they use Helogens to also alter your mind then by doing this stuff you're countering the government's weapons and Yeah, that's why we see my videos not getting that many views, too But thank you guys for joining me today You can get the iodine on organ supplements calm and check out all my other businesses on frank dash to follow calm If you could please drop a like on the video leave a comment down below Subscribe to that YouTube in unsubscribe you next week and be sure to check that notification bell So they don't notify you of my videos Therefore if you could please share this on any social media you have access to Thanks again for joining me guys, and I'll see you tomorrow


OK, I suggest we get started. Sort of welcome to another interesting Hyperledger Global Forum session. The title is, Does Industrial Asset Management Provide Good Use Cases for Verifiable Credentials and Distributed Ledgers? It's a provocative question, in a way. My name is Andreas Kint. I am in charge of cybersecurity technology, Ian Siemens. It's a global team that covers cybersecurity technologies on all levels of the Siemens enterprise, the Siemens production, and Siemens products and solutions. It's quite an interesting field. What brings us here to Hyperledger Global Forum is really very concrete problems in industrial production around machine identities, around extending trust into production environment, physical context environments, things like energy networks, things like train systems, factories, city infrastructure, and so on, and any kind of trustworthiness around sustainability. That's another important topic for us here. So with this, I will hand over to my colleague Oliver. He will present the topic. Right, yeah, there. I hope you can hear me. And I'm happy to talk about industrial automation. And I would like to try to answer the question, what could industrial automation have to do with things like verifiable credentials and distributed ledgers? Andreas and me both are Siemens employees. And Siemens is a global champion in industrial automation. Part of with a few slides of industrial automation, what it is, and to establish a common ground for the discussion on what it could have to do with verifiable credentials, distributed ledgers, and so on. First of all, what you see here is distinguished individual industrial automation components. Since the mention is not quite clear, I think it would be something like 10 centimeters by 10 centimeters by 10 centimeters. So not too big. And this actually is a piece, one piece, of an industrial automation component. And this is used as a part of machine. A machine could be something like an industrial robot. And that becomes part of things which are production cells or sites. And these components, machines, production cells, sites are used all over manufacturing, all over utilities, process industries, and so on and so forth. So that's kind of a common component which is kind of ubiquitously used. Now, it has some properties. So first of all, there are components which are called actuators and sensors which actually interact with the physical world. And this is one class of industrial automation component. And there are other classes of components which control such actuators and sensors. So these are the most important classes of components. All these components have a chassis. They are tangible. So it's not like a piece of software that you get by download. It's kind of something that is shipped to you. It has to withstand harsh environments. It has, of course, identification. And the identification comes in two flavors. You can identify such a product as a part of a cohort of a class of components. So there's product type and order ID-specific information by which you identify a whole class of components. And there's also identification on an individual instance level. It, of course, uses computing technologies and all flavors that you know from computing like programs, algorithms, state engines, processors, memories are part of such components. It also, of course, uses networking because it's used in a distributed environment where it interacts with other such components and uses networking for this interaction. And something where things are a little bit different from some IoT environments. Most of them are, in many cases, they are real-time requirements, which means that the interactions in such a system have to happen according to certain boundaries with respect to time. So that's an industrial automation component. Such a component, of course, has a lifecycle. And on the left-hand side, you see top-down rough chart of its lifecycle. It starts with the manufacturing phase where by the manufacturer of such components, the actual instance is manufactured. Then it's kind of shipped. The shipping is not shown here. It arrives at the customer side and then it's kind of bootstrapped. So it must be installed. It must be commissioned. Then it gets into operation where the actual process or automation process is running. Then there could be one or more maintenance phases and there can be an off-boarding phase. Of course, it's not so easy to read here from a kind of a space perspective. The interest of the customers, of course, to maximize the operational phase. So the idea is, of course, this component should run 24 hours a day, seven days a week and 52 weeks. And once it's happening, some data is produced. So next thing, we look at the data objects. And here it's important to understand that you have different classes of data which are associated with the data cycle. So when the component is being manufactured, then data objects are being generated, which we call product master data. And think of things like items would be the serial number for the product instance or things like the MAC address, which is bound to the component. And also information like who's the manufacturer, what type of component was manufactured, what was the order idea, which hardware software version do we have? During the bootstrapping phase, we have another class of data which is being established, which we call deployment master data. And here we have things like application names, could be also IP addresses, or even the physical location, which are relevant for this component and its use. During the operational phase, we have operational data that is being created and that kind of reports on the performance of the component as well as the health of the component. And kind of the maintenance phase and the off-boarding phases, they kind of can touch certain sets of information, but we already talked about the most important ones. Then we have different stakeholders that's also important to understand. It starts simple. First of all, we have two columns here. We have the producer of the data and the consumer of the data. So it starts simple during the manufacturing, the data is produced by the manufacturer or on behalf of the manufacturer. We have a couple of other roles, which can be the consumers. So we see another actor in such an industrial automation system could be a distributor or the machine builder, the system integrator who kind of builds the production cell or plant on behalf of the owner and the owner operator. So we have different roles along the value chain in industrial automation. And here you can see that the production and the consumption changes with respect to where we are. The short summary is there is no single entity which can give and provide all information that is relevant for an industrial automation component along this life cycle. And we will see that that's an important aspect to the challenge and to a solution that we discuss in a moment. Right, so next question is the customers. So the owners and operators of industrial automation equipment, what do they actually ask for? And there's a 1A requirement. And I think that's pretty obvious. That should be a no-prayer. They're interested in runtime performance. So 9 or 99.9 availability of the component. And as well as predictable and available operations of that. That's clearly the number 1A requirement. There is a not so obvious number B, 1B requirement and that's asset management. And to give you an example here, we provided some information from a recent RFI request for information by a major car manufacturer, one of the top five car manufacturers. And that's what they are asking for. And let's take a minute to understand. So first of all, and I hope you can see my cursor, I go to the sub-pollets. They give a list of information items they're mostly interested in and we can see by roughly checking it, that's kind of a union between the production master data and the deployment master data. So they want to have both. They want to have information from the class of production master data, as well as information deployment master data. They want to have this automatically. So they want to have an automated process, which does not depend on much manual interactions or interference, that's important. They want to have it for each and every component and the number of such components can be quite high. So you easily have a five digit number of industrial automation components within a single factory if you look at a user owner like a car manufacturer and the production of some cars. There are also smaller deployments. There are also deployments with four digit numbers. And here maybe an example could be even the vessel equipment or ship equipment is one of a major market. And I guess the numbers typically, there would be four digit number. Of course, there are also smaller ones, maybe three or even two digit numbers of industrial automation components, but anyhow, no matter what the number is, they ask for each of that component should provide its information automatically. They also, next thing that is important, in a factory, typically the components of multiple manufacturers come together. So it's never one manufacturer thing there. Typically it's a two digit number between 10 and 20 manufacturers that come together and deliver equipment for a single factory. They want to have it for all of them and they want to have it in a convenient way, which means they need to have standards for getting this information. And here they already give an idea on what would be their preferred idea of the standards they would like to use to get this information. Well, that's what the customer asked for. And again, the information was it's a recent requirement. Now let's double check where we are. So the question is, are these customer demands fulfilled already? And here we look at three dimensions, first dimensions is the third thing. So can we get the information at all? And it's structured according to the ideas the customer has. They suggest something like a Profinet, identification and maintenance data record. Profinet is one of the important field buses which are used to control actuators and sensors. SNMP is an ITF standard for network management. OPC UA is an industry domain standard for industrial components. And here you can see the overall assessment would be we have a partial coverage of the sourcing. Looks like the Profinet E&M data is best in providing coverage, but they only cover the Profinet specific data. As soon as you have an industrial component which runs Profinet plus X, you have coverage for Profinet but you don't have coverage for the plus X. So overall it's partial. Next, if we... So Andreas and me, so if we look at the level of protection of information or of proving that information, the question is, are we covered here? And the answer is not yet. Typically, for instance, Profinet E&M data is self-asserted information without any protection at all. So it's actually pretty simple to create fake equipment, claiming or pretending to be seamless equipment because there is no safeguard for this E&M data as of today. And that belongs to the class of self-asserted information. So the component tells itself about its own identification and maintenance status and it's not protected. If it would be third party data, also typically things are unprotected. So the proving part is not yet fulfilled. The automating part partly fulfilled. And here again, we have the same issue that we talked before. If you look at components which run Profinet and only Profinet, it's pretty much fulfilled. If you look at more advanced component which run other stacks in addition to a Profinet stack, it's not fulfilled right now. So we have a clear customer requirement. It sounds simple and fair. If we double check the current status, it looks like it's not yet there where the customer wants us to be. So the question is how can we fill the gap? And now we switch to the trust technologies which emerge from the W3C in which we're also used in the blockchain context because they give us a potential and first of all, a potential and also a new potential when we compare them to classical approaches to trust them. We have two candidates here which look appealing to us. There is the W3C verifiable credentials. Here's a bit of generic information on that slide about verifiable credentials. I guess for most of you, there is not too much news on that slide. So maybe let's quickly concentrate on that chart here. So if we translate that to industrial automation, the component which is called hold for here would become the industrial automation component that would be the holder. The verifier here would be typically the owner, the operator or maybe the system integrator who kind of builds up and takes care of running a production cell or a production site. The next thing is based on what we talked already, they need production data. Production data is understood by the manufacturer. They need deployment data. Deployment data is understood by the machine builder or by others. So we will have multiple issuers. So in our understanding, we have one component which is the holder. Probably we have one verifier. I hope you can see my mouse cursor, I move it a little bit. But we have multiple issuers making statements about that component and the verifier asking questions about that. And here we can already see with a classical model here, the verifier probably would have to ask multiple questions to understand deployment data as well as production master data. The appealing thing here is we can transform things. We can even synthesize things. So we can have multiple credentials issued to the component which gets synthesized into a single presentation. And this is a good fit to our constraints. It also allows to kind of do further transformation operation. So this proposal for industrial automation along with the verifier credentials, we have the decentralized identifiers. And here it's important to understand as of now, they provide an identification FAPRIC which is used in the context of verifiable credentials. So they are used for in order to refer to verifiable credentials schema objects or to actual concrete objects. They right now do not yet, or they are not related to the classical identification information which exists in the industrial automation since the decades. And next slide is what could a solution look like? Actually, we have pretty straightforward building blocks which already come out of the W3C documents. So things start with an issuance step which means the issuer issues credentials to the industrial automation component. The industrial automation component is the owner here. And we equip them with verifiable credentials. Again here, this is a recurring thing is because we have multiple actors able to say something about the industrial automation component while the owner operator is asking for all. We have multiple, or we believe there will be multiple in the issuance steps. There will be multiple issuers providing objects verifiable credential objects to a single industrial automation component. This is addressed already in the W3C verifiable credential data model. Next step would be the presentation step. So I'm interested, I'm curious to understand something about my industrial automation component. And in order to do that, I interact with the component and I challenge it to present either credential or verifiable presentation. And I do this in the role of an owner operator. For instance, that's also addressed in the W3C verifiable credential data model. Then there's the verification step. Once I obtained my verifiable presentation, I need to check it, of course, with respect to its authenticity, with respect to its timeliness, things like that, that's already covered in the W3C data model. Then after checking the actual information that I got, I must, the overall context that operate like was. Now I understand that this component has this and that serial number, but is it supposed to be operated within my protection cell or a site? That would be the next question, the validation step. And here the W3C verifiable credential data model intentionally abstains from elaborating that. So they formulate the talk about the validation step, which is a good idea, and but they abstain from detailing it because that becomes industry specific. Right, so we get the building blocks more or less. Now question is, will that be an exercise that is simple to do and we just have to copy and paste what we get? Or do we have to do some lifting? And if we have to do some lifting, is this heavy lifting? And here the answer to this question is, yes, we believe some lifting is needed. And this concerns both actors or especially the technology and solution providers. We talk about in a minute about the users of the solutions, but actually it's not the rocket science that has to be done. And the following items, the work items that have to be addressed in doing this lifting. And again, the lifting here or the assumption is the lifting starts with the artifacts that we get from the WFSE, such as decentralized certifiers and very public credentials. And for the very public credentials, the proposal is for the assumption is we need to have specific schemas for the industrial automation domains. Here we have to take care that with respect to IEEE standards, there's already a relevant piece which was established some 10 years ago, which is called secure device identity, which talks about or which suggests the equipment of industrial automation components with objects which are backed by cryptography, especially asymmetric cryptography, which is your certificates. So that has to be kind of weaved together, which is our first item here. The standardization on how a very public credentials can be presented and verified. We already have lots in the WFSE standards, but still here, how do I discover the endpoints or publicize the endpoints from which I can get that information that looks in this dimension. We talked about the validation procedure. So the things that have to happen or should happen after the actual verification, technical verification. So the overall context validation, that's something like I said before, that's descoped for a good reason from the W3C standards that would have to be felt. There have to be some endpoints on the components which have to be prescribed and described and specified together with the functionality. There also needs to be a clear understanding on what the verifier role is. So is this like an automated component which runs continuously in a production cell or is it more kind of an operator tool thing that is being used? So things like that would have to be specified and identified. And also it looks like that the overall accreditation of the issuer organizations as legal entities would be out. For the decentralized identifiers, there needs to be or there should be from our perspective of consideration on how should decentralized identifiers look like which are able to protect existing investments. As I told you before, identification information already is there. And there is not really an interest to kind of to go back to zero here and restart the whole thing with an empty page. So the decentralized identifier models probably have to take into account that there are identification schemes which carry a value both for the manufacturer organizations as well as for the owner organizations. It also looks like that the DID documents should become non-public in the industrial automation case. So with that we are able to sum up what we talked about. So and here what are the things that you should take away now? Number one, industrial automation. And here we talk about terms like IoT for Internet of Things and OT for operational technology. And here the differentiation probably is IoT usually takes the used IP stack and OT often works with OT IP stack. No matter what it is, we collectively call it industrial automation and yes, there are interesting use cases for verifier. That's us. The use cases that we see which are interesting and relevant here belong to the cluster of asset management. The quotation here gives you a short definition of our understanding of asset management which was taken from Wikipedia. So I think that should be pretty clear I guess to everybody. And the importance next thing that is relevant here, the importance of asset management kind of is self-evident. In industrial automation, we look at the owner operator which typically are legal organizations. This is not you and me at home which are interested in a smart home solution. So these are legal entities which manufacture some goods or produce some utilities. And usually they are the industrial automation components provide capital goods for them. And with respect to that, they need of course to understand what they have and in which kind of state and shape that is. And this is an old requirement. So asset management in industrial automation is not new. It is solved but actually it's kind of old school solved like spreadsheets, papers, people walking around. So the asset management solutions that we are aware of actually like digitization right now. And when we would use the emerging technologies, trust technologies, especially verifiable credentials and distributed ledgers in a smart way, then we could fill the gap. So asset management is important. And here we try to establish the slogan. Yes, it's there. It's kind of analog, it's done, it's happening. It's analog, it's not net digitized. It probably has to be digitized. And the technologies we were discussing can provide an important role in doing that. So expectation management is also important when we think about how we could exploit this potential. When for those who are acting or working for technology and solution providers, the message would be to our expectation management would be what we see that we can get from organizations like W3C something I would term raw material for solving industrial automation use cases. And that's not yet the turnkey solution. And that was the slide about the lifting and whether it's heavy or not. So something has to be done on top. Yes, some lifting, but I guess, or we believe it's not really having lifting. For those who are on the side of technology or solution providers, then there will be some procedural changes. So how asset management is happening and being done can and will change if this kind of process takes place. But there is no fundamental change with respect to whether or not I have to take care about that. And that bear the slides that we wanted to present to you. So thanks a lot. And if there are some questions, I'm happy to try to answer them. Yeah, exactly. Please post your questions into the chat. I know we have only a couple of seconds. Let's just remind us. So one quick question from somebody. Otherwise feel free to reach out to Oliver or me. We would be quite interested in exchange on machine identities. There's a question from Simon. How do you verify that the information about the industrial automation component is maintained correctly? Yeah, I'm not sure if I have to ask a question back. At the end of the day, there are issues. And of course you kind of have to trust the issuers to do their job correct. So there are some contextual checks which can be done. There is no trust out of nothing. So in my understanding, it's a technology that helps to assess and validate the information, putting it into context, evaluating into context. But at the end of the day, you have to trust the manufacturers that you want to work with. Or the machine builder. And that would be my take here right now. Okay, good. Yeah, then I guess, Oliver, we have to wrap up and say thanks for your attention and the interest in the topic.


Hey friends, tonight we are going to be doing a holiday themed monorail crawl. We're going to be taking the monorail to the different Magic Kingdom resorts trying some adult beverages and snacks at the different lounges and restaurants and looking at the Christmas decor. We might actually end up doing some Christmas caroling as well depending on how the night goes. Anywho's, let's go do this. Today is December 21st and Christmas is only four days away and there goes the monorail right there. A trusty form of transportation for the night and I'm so excited. We've been doing this for a while We don't really have a system. We kind of just go with the flow of things But we always start at the contemporary and we always try to get at least one drink and one food item. This year is going to be our first time doing the monorail crawl without the wave. Now it's Steakhouse 71 and we've always used the wave as like our starting point because we loved like sitting in the Blue Room. So now we're going to make a new tradition with Steakhouse 71 and we're going to go from the contemporary to the Polynesian to the Grand Floridian and then back over here and using the monorail and just kind of enjoying all of the resort amenities and getting some drinks. We're going to be meeting up with some friends once we get inside the contemporary and usually like Jackie's Super Enthusiast here and Josh and Taylor the Walt Disney World couple are inside But we also have some new people joining our crew our monorail Christmas crew And it's going to be a fun festive evening. My favorite thing about doing these like monorail crawls is just being able to document it and make a video because it is so Fun like you can see everything as it progresses through the nights after we had a couple beverages people start loosening up I remember last year we were singing Christmas carols on the monorail And I hope that that actually happens again today and a lot of the resort lounges actually have holiday themed drinks and that's like the best part It's kind of discovering all these fun festive things to do and it doesn't cost anything It doesn't cost like a park ticket. You can just visit the resorts for free Now parking is a little bit tricky You do need to actually have a dining reservation to park at any of the resorts But you can always park at the TTC and actually take the monorail and that's the whole point of it It's just riding the monorail We all like to actually dress up in our favorite Christmas outfits I got some nice Christmas lights on they're gonna glow a little bit later on I got my home alone Roosevelt and also take a look at my ugly sweater fedora. This is so amazing I've been actually saving this just for tonight Now it's time to head on in and we're at the contemporary and we're gonna go right on over to steakhouse 71 And look at the finally a goat This is seriously one of my favorite places to actually come and hang out I like it even though I do miss the wave like the blue rooms I like being in here because it's like a cozy little living room Now it looks like most of the crew is showing up and it's time for our first drink of the evening And they do have a holiday drink here at the steakhouse 71 So I'm gonna have to get it. I have to get the holiday drink The holiday drink is snowy dreams and it's a cognac with cream de coco half and half and a holiday Spice syrup so basically like a boozy eggnog and I'm excited to try it and also I think we're gonna get ourselves some food to one of my favorite things actually eat here at the lounge is the peanut Butter and jelly chicken wings so that'll go hand-in-hand and Take a look at the spread right here on the table and we're all together now Taylor Josh Walt Disney World couple Promise Travis. Yes. I'm so excited. You guys ready for a holiday monorail. I know the crawl crawl The crawl crew and we have more joining us too. I think so we're just gonna have fun and we're starting the night pretty strong Me and Travis both got the snowy falls snowy falls and like I said, it's like a little Eggnog drink. I like it though. It's actually really nice Wait, well, I mean snowy dreams. I don't know how I got snowy falls out of that But I could see snowy falls kind of sounds nice, you know a mountain snowy falls, you know Yes On top of all of our drinks, we also got some food and these are the peanut butter and jelly chicken wings Look at that. These look actually really good I think they give you five wings and I'm excited. I had these before I liked them a lot.   I'm back in the blue room.  But here's here's the peanut butter and jelly chicken wings. I Love the fact that these wings are like double fried and it doesn't have like a strong jelly taste But a very strong peanut buttery taste. These are good good though This actually was very Delightful and funny because the manager came out and said this is like a Walt Disney drink And if you know Steakhouse 71 Lounge is known for a bunch of Disney family like recipe and Disney wines And this is basically a Tom and Jerry and this is what Walt liked to drink and they had a little setup in his apartment in Disneyland So kind of honored and it was good Thanks Now we are one drink down and I think we're gonna move along from Steakhouse 71 And maybe head outside for a little contemporary Christmas cornhole Before we actually head out though Chris and Maria from League Bund of Visitors have joined up with us And they're getting caught up so they're gonna get the snowy dreams to go and there's bow. There's my man bow Good good Since we don't actually have a plan of anything we really do just go with the flow We decided to come out to the Sam bar, which is the like pool sidebar and maybe try to play some cornhole before we Move on to the Polynesian, but eventually we're gonna hop on the monorail and head on over there And maybe just do two drinks at this resort. Maybe two drinks at the next one. Maybe two drinks at all of them I mean, we just kind of go is it goes take it as it goes Right outside the contemporary they have the contemporary resort sand bar and I love it in here They have a good selection of different mixed drinks, but today I think I'm gonna get a little Bud Light Lime You don't do a little mixed drink do a little beer and we'll do have a nice little rotation Now I think it's time for the Christmas contemporary cornhole.  Oh, come on. So I guess now we're playing if you make it in the hole you drink Yeah, make it in the hole you drink I'll try I'll try on this side.  Yes, I'm gonna try the ball Here's the wind up and the pitch I think we're all corn holed out and it's time to move along two drinks down and We're gonna start making our way to the monorail So now we're gonna actually be trying to recreate the friends one at a time. We all get it. Yep Oh, this is gonna be interesting put it inside the Mickey ears Okay, then y'all Now to the monorail to the Polly to the monorail, I know Yeah, yeah It's been this eventful so far Here comes our trusty steed for the evening Look at this we got our own private monorail fancy monorail orange Boy I see We made it to the Polynesian It's good to be back at the Polynesian and the Christmas decorations around to and I don't know where we're gonna go first Oh gotta fix my hat. There we go I'm so happy that I got this hat somebody sent me this hat and thank you so much I don't remember the name that was on the package But just know how much I appreciate it that I have saved it this whole entire time just for tonight Here it is the Polynesian lobby We put our name in at Trader Sam's but they said it could be two hours So I think we're gonna head over to the barefoot pool bar and they have a Christmas drink And then maybe come over to the Tiki Terrace depending on you know if they call us to Trader Sam's or not But it's great to be at the Poly Here we are we made it to the barefoot bar and they actually have a gingerbread Like cocktail so I definitely had to get that and they also have a watermelon dough whip like mixed drink That looks so fancy There it is the gingerbread drink It looks so cool doesn't it I cannot wait to try this oh it looks so so good I Love it gotta get a little of the cram cracker on there. Well, I'm not I'm not too sure if it's graham cracker or gingerbread. Oh Wow that's delicious Actually We wear pink on Wednesdays It's today Wednesday really though When you're at the Polynesian and you got a gingerbread drink might as well have a true Florida Christmas on the beach Malikaliki market is the thing to say They're pumping in the Christmas music right here Wow, it is so beautiful. I love being here and now we're lining up the chairs Sitting on the beach at the Poly enjoying some drinks This is what life is all about and I love it It is really really cool And I think we're gonna actually do another drink here at the poly and then make our way over to the Grand Floridian I'm so excited for the enchanted rose and maybe getting some truffle french fries. Those are my favorite Now it's time to move along and I don't think we're gonna have time for Trader Sam's instead We might have to do the outside, but they have all the Trader Sam's drinks in there including the Christmas drink this year I'm not too sure what it is. I think it's like a nutcracker and Yeah, I'm still loving being here at the poly. I'm loving seeing all the lights on these lights are good for the mosquitoes So you don't get bit Why do birds suddenly appear every time you won't hear Sitting out on the terrace is actually really really cool Got some nice waterfall sounds in the back I like the lights in here and you can get all of the drinks from Trader Sam's Now I don't think you can get them in their cups though like the special mug that are on the inside But at least you can still get the drinks themselves Here is a look at some of the seasonal offerings that Trader Sam's including the Malikaliki Mai Tai Which is what I'm going for. It's the less sweeter version of the two drinks And the other one is a tropical snowstorm either way. I just want less sweet So I think that's the one. I'm happy we're going with that and also I'm gonna get a couple of pan-fried dumplings a couple two-tree dumplings So this is I think drink four We were just trying to do the math and you know, honestly, you really don't feel it like too much You start getting a little loosey-goosey, you know a little loosey-goosey and open up but having like fun just going around doing this is like the best part and It does take like several hours a lot of people when you watch the video It like seems like it's like condensed into 20 minutes, but it honestly sometimes could take us like six seven hours I remember one time we did a crawl. It was almost nine hours. You remember that it was like a skyliner brought Yeah, the skyliner crawl was like nine hours and it was like, you know what I mean at the end of the day You don't really feel like an e-grade.  Thank you Hold on, hold on. Mine's coming I'm gonna stay low because if I go like this It's okay That's right, so I was like I wish I had three hands, right? There we go Okay Cheers We don't even know what we're doing anymore Ready, oh wait hold on One two three nice Mollie Califky my tie is the drink for me on a bright Hawaiian Christmas day The way that light keeps on swaying I feel like we're in like an interrogation here What did you get your drink what? Well, I feel very happy with the Mollie Califky my tie. This is a good drink You got a lot of flair room in there and yeah, I kind of like it a lot of flair Looks like we're about to get some music to maybe some Hawaiian Christmas music Never know maybe a little Mollie Califky Mocky to go with my my tie To go with my Mollie Califky my tie got some pot stickers too. I love these pot stickers I'm gonna do a little dippy on the sauce there. That's the way Cheers to pot stickers These are so so good not as good as the dumplings up over at Ohana, but I love them They're a very good snack and they also have some other snacks. I got some tacos there. Well, it's a little blurry But yep, that's the way we're getting a little bit there It is the tacos now. You can see them and also a little flatbread You did good you got tacos too. Oh, oh, they're gone and we're all just working on our drinks and our backsides of water They're actually thinking Mollie Califky Mocky Oh There we go, we got Jackie with us Yep cheers Yeah, well, bye have fun Season There we go, we are all done feeling Lucy Goosey and ready to move along to the Grand Floridian to the monorail Oh slam our drinks down No, no, this is cranberry juice. I promise All right, slam the drinks down not slam be very gentle There we go. You're ready Rise All right, see you get there for Josh is gonna walk to the Grand Flow Bye What's our yeah, what's our Christmas Carol? Oh, yeah, Mollie Califky. Yeah, we should have something that when we were coming to the poly Oh Feliz Navidad Feliz Navidad She did good I Don't want to leave the poly but like I said, we do need to get moving along and it's a little bit backed up in the monorail here Looks like we've got a little bit of a line here. I Think when we came here, we had monorail orange looks like we're getting monorail yellow now Which is the newest monorail to return to the Walt Disney World plate and I can't wait to see the lights on it I don't think it's lit up yet, but this is also our first time doing a monorail crawl with the like special Need for speed lights on the bottom. I I don't know why I call him that I just think it's funny like the need for speed like low lights. You know what I'm talking about Yes, we're testing out what our Christmas Carol is gonna be this ride But we didn't do Mollie Califky Maki because we should have done it on the way here, so we should do it like a quick Yes, well you got to say it quick like Mollie Califky Maki is a thing to say Now dry Hawaiian Christmas day Yeah, see we did good that counts. We did it at the poly Oh Beautiful yes Looks like we didn't fit on monorail yellow. Yeah, so it's a monorail salmon Oh monorail greens flying by in the background there Oh You nice do you guys mind for a little Christmas carols? Hi, Gary, welcome Still driving I gotta go Come back Gary come back You guys want to do some carol? Who here knows police Navidad So we'll get started y'all ready one wait show me what we do. Oh, we got a way to remove. Yeah Oh, wait, wait, here we go one two three Such a magical moment right there We're at the Grand Floridian now, but the whole entire cabin in the monorail started singing Feliz Navidad It was so amazing honestly kind of gave you goosebumps.  And we still got one stop to go And we have finally made it to the Grand Floridian. Look at that big beautiful tree right there So happy and I think our first stop is gonna be the Enchanted Rose I'm also very excited to get some truffle fries at the Enchanted Rose Those are my favorite fries and maybe the seasonal old-fashioned or the Rhinox I mean they have a lot of great during like drink choices themselves And here we are the enchanted rose. This is such a beautiful like lounge area And we got a nice little table right in the middle here. Look at that We made it We're enchanted Here at the enchanted rose they do have a seasonal old-fashioned and we kind of get it I think I get it every time I come here for the holiday like monorail crawl and we're gonna keep to that tradition It is a little bit on the pricey side twenty five dollars But it is well worth it. It is a good old-fashioned and like I said before the Rhinox too. That's another strong one Josh actually ran over here instead of taking the monorail. Oh, you're watch. Yes He casually walked and we just placed our drinks, but he already has a mojito in the truffle fries He was ready. That's why he got here so quick. That's what's going on. Well, he's probably gonna get around to maybe. I don't know Oh We'll catch up. I'll try And here they are. This is the seasonal old-fashioned little crushed Handmade bitters that they do here. Is that what they do? Yeah, and then they yeah and they crafted they use the cranberries and they got a little orange peel Where's my orange peel? Hey? Oh, there it is. There it is. Yeah And then Travis has got one too same one and then you have the Amor Very fancy and then what did you get? The island rose and then Josh he still got his mojito over there doing his mojito thing I love mojitos. I do fancy Cheers to you guys too Racers here here Along with the seasonal old-fashioned we got some of the good old truffle fries These are so good. The parmesan cheese is 18 years old 18 year old cheese parmesan Yeah, it's in these fries are legal But I love these so so good And now we are all done with the enchanted rose I don't think we're gonna do a second drink at the Grand Floridian I think we probably hit our limit. We've hit our limit for the night and time to head back and Hop on the monorail. We've got to get back over to the contemporary Before we actually board the monorail, I think we need to swing in the basin so we can wash our hands It's important to have that good personal hygiene, especially when you're traveling the monorail route Sure seems like a lot of people in here that want to wash their hands though You have to share the sink Share the sink ladies Which one are you gonna grab Okay, okay, what's your hands first, okay, I'm gonna take Oh This is the way Now our hands are all clean it's time to hop back on the monorail and Wrap this up tonight. I mean, this is such a fun little evening I'm kind of sad we didn't do like a second drink here at the Grand Floridian But I mean I'm impressed with what we've gotten accomplished so far tonight and it's getting kind of late tonight There's actually a Christmas party or Christmas after hours and it's the last Christmas after hours and Chris and Maria actually left us before we got to the Grand Floridian because they're actually going to that after hours But we're not going tonight. So this is gonna be the end of the road one last monorail ride Thank You Gary We got Gary as our monorail pilot again, how lucky are we and we're a monorail yellow We were talking about this before and we weren't able to get it But at least we get a good ride and I think we've had a different monorail each time So you'll lead us on that huh So we wish you a Merry Christmas. I think that's the one We wish you a Merry Christmas There she is All lit up looks a little busy out there though, huh? Look at the castle in the tree And there it is the contemporary we've made a full circle around the Magic Kingdom resort loop And with that I think we are done here. What a fun night. I love doing the monorail Crawl of hanging out with friends we get to just go around and enjoy and I do have to say this does like I said Take a little bit longer than you guys think I think we started at 2 o'clock. It's 10 o'clock now so it's been about eight hours and It's just like an adventure. It's like a cool adventure and I had so much fun What do you guys think would you ever be interested in doing a monorail crawl like this is a great thing to do? Especially like I said earlier if you don't like have a park ticket This is free to do and you can just come and buy food and drinks and just enjoy the resorts I always love doing I love hanging out with friends and also like speaker friends Make sure you check out everyone's videos Josh Taylor Walt Disney World couple Lake Boone of visitors and Promise and Travis and I wish Jackie was here. She was here though for our little FaceTime But she couldn't make it tonight, but she's usually one of the original monorail crew like members and Yeah, let the Christmas countdown continue Only four more days and it's the big day. So I hope you enjoyed the video. I enjoyed making it We'll see you next time. Bye