All right good evening everybody Good evening if we could find our seats And let me give a heads up to everybody outside if if your voice is too loud and echoes very well in here So just try to keep your tone down even if you're outside We want to be respectful of everybody here. We're all volunteers and public community members So, you know, if we have disagreements, let's let's keep them within our own Heads for now All right. Good evening. Thank you for being here for our this is our fifth Our fifth parks and rec community bond committee meeting. I am Brian Dillard I'm the co-chair or one of the co-chair so the parks and rec bond committee and my fellow co-chair is Louisa Caso Before we get started. We do have an announcement regarding Spanish translation services or interpretation services Buenas tardes si alguien necesita servicios de traducción al español puede pasar al vestíbulo y tomar Audífonos para escuchar el programa de bonos 2017 en español. Gracias Okay, so we'll quickly go down the the agenda here just to give everybody a heads up of what's gonna happen We're gonna start off with the bond program overview by our city manager Cheryl Scully and we'll jump into a Discussion among the committee members will receive comments from the bus tour and then we'll go into I Think we have a portion in here where yeah, we'll have a couple comments as well from Mike Frisbee is gonna speak. Oh after the break. Okay, so after the bus tour comments We'll get into a discussion about our proposals that we all presented at the last meeting We'll kind of go through that list and review and see if we all have any changes From the bus tour and discussion among each other So we'll jump into it with city manager Cheryl Scully Good evening. I know this is our fifth meeting for the parks bond committee And I want to say on behalf of the city of San Antonio Thank you all for serving for spending so much time Deliberating and studying the staff recommendations and from hearing from the public Each bond election we make recommendations host these committee meetings And there's one committee that seems to rise to the top and have the most Interest in attention and that is the parks committee this year And so we know that you have spent a tremendous amount of time and effort And we want to sincerely say to you thank you for your time and effort because you are volunteers So first and foremost, let me say that Secondly, I just wanted to go back to what we talked about at that very first meeting when we considered some of the guiding principles and priorities that has been that have been the Council's direction to the committees as you consider the staff recommendations Which have not been made in isolation But rather have been made in concert with our city council members working with them on what is most important To them and what they have heard from the community So our staff recommendations in large part reflect Continuations of projects consideration of those which perhaps were discussed in the last bond program But for which we did not have enough funding to include them all As well as those that meet some of the ideas that we talked about as part of the essay tomorrow plan So as you know the mayor and council recently adopted a Growth plan for the city what we want the city to be over the next several decades And so we're in the process now of beginning the implementation and we want this 2017 bond program to enable us and help assist us in the development and implementation of that plan Parks play a huge role in that and over the past decade We have doubled more than doubled the acreage of our park system. We believe that we were under parked and So now we have more parks per capita than we had a decade ago Which is such a good thing affecting our quality of life We also talked about as part of the guiding principles leveraging funds So in those cases where we are able to secure private funding or funding through grants Through the state or from the federal government or from nonprofit organizations those partnerships are very important and Are part of the decision-making as to which projects we can move forward? complete streets investment in our major corridors some of those Issues and the impact on our operating and maintenance budgets which projects have Organizations that can help support those public spaces those public green spaces So I just reflect back to and refer you to those Original guiding principles and some of the priorities that the city council mentioned Now several of you have said reflecting on your individual districts that you're concerned that Perhaps we need to do more in the individual districts as opposed to Some city-wide impactful projects and let me share just a couple of numbers with you. So in the 15 years Before 2005 I was appointed city manager in 2005 and one of the first things the mayor and council asked me to do was to work With them to develop a large bond program the city had prior to 2005 Issued debt voter approved debt in the range of one hundred million to one hundred and forty million for the whole city About every four or five years And so coming to this city and seeing how large it is geographically we've now grown to four hundred and seventy plus miles square miles I knew that number was small and that's not to minimize one hundred and forty million dollars That's a lot of money But to cover an entire city for streets and drainage and parks and Facilities fire stations and libraries. It doesn't go very far So for the 15 years prior to 2005 the city issued 350 million in voter-approved debt, that's the total amount of general obligation bonds issued by the city from 1990 to 2005 Since then with our three or two voter-approved bond programs and this one so that would be from 2007 program The 12 program and what we're considering in the 2017 program That will total two billion dollars so that 15 years from 90 to 2005 and With this 15 years two billion I mentioned that to you because we had so much catch-up to do and in the 07 and 12 programs We focused on so many needs throughout all the districts streets and drainage and more fire stations and more branch libraries and Each time we wanted to do city-wide impactful projects But we we knew the needs were so great in the districts now with this 850 million dollar program that we're able to recommend with no property tax rate increase It's based on our growth and our good financial stewardship of the city. That is We are cutting our expenses in every way possible so that we have that capacity to be able to issue That to do the capital improvements we need in the community We have an amount of money that enables us to not only take care of the needs within the districts But also do some city-wide Impactful projects, and that's why you see more in this program It's the largest in the city's history But it enables us to do both to take care of some of those district needs But also to do some of the bigger initiatives That's not to say that there still aren't needs there always will be I Was at the site today with our police and fire personnel and city engineers on the infrastructure collapse where a person lost their life in that drainage situation and So we know the needs are out there in the community to make improvements Nonetheless, we're working at trying to seek a balance in what's in the best interest And that's what we're doing all collectively How how do we take care of those individualized needs in the districts, but also be impactful And do some innovative really creative kinds of projects and some of those that we're considering Like hemisphere like hardburger Like the south side area around the missions to improve our world heritage site Some of those projects are only possible because we're we have a larger program where we can devote some of our Resources to individual projects and the big ones. So I just wanted to give you that context And let you know that it's I know tough decision-making that you have ahead of you but we're here as a resource to help you in that process and As I sit down I'm going to call on our city attorney Andy Segovia who's just going to go over with you if it's okay with the chairs If Andy comes up and talks with you just for a moment about Conflict of interest because we've had a couple of questions from individuals So the so we thought we'd just start off by explaining to you what? What that means what the general rules are rules of engagement and then answer any questions that you have Andy once again, I also want to express my Gratitude for all the members of the committee and hard work you've done I know this is your last meeting a lot of hard works gone into it and we do appreciate all that you've been doing As the city manager mentioned there hasn't been some questions that have come up on The application of what we went over at the beginning of the committee process in terms of the ethics principles One thing to be mindful of is this is a committee that was formed to provide recommendations to the city council on what the Specific projects would be recommended to that council and the ethics principles were offered as guidance for you as members To help guide conduct yourselves during that process and remember I said, you know The aim of all those principles that we laid out was to make sure that it was a transparent process and a fair process Some members of you as most of you know of the committee are volunteer members of various organizations that have a perspective or specialized knowledge about particular projects And this perspective and this knowledge I would think is useful to the committee as you weigh the different projects That you're considering and what you're going to ultimately recommend to the council So we do not want to undermine the ability that of this committee to hear and consider those Input from those committee members again you were selected because you have some unique knowledge of your districts and you care about the projects in your districts and Obviously this committee and the council want your voices to be heard And so to clarify on as exactly particularly as you're starting to start voting on specific things We want to strongly recommend that if you're a committee member And if you're going to have direct Monetary gain from any project in a words if you yourself are going to gain monetarily from a project Or if your employer is going to gain monetarily from a project was you're employed by a company that's going to get funds We're going to ask you not to participate in the actual voting of any particular project as it relates to that So I wanted to clarify that for for the committee members again in terms of whether you participate or not and in any particular Vote we want you to be guided by the principles we talked about earlier But more probably more importantly be guided by your own individual judgment in common sense as to what again what your purpose is here what the context is and And again, we want to make sure that the objective is is men Which is this committee and the council receive the full benefit of your input. So with that. Thanks again Okay, thank you very much Andy and thank you very much city manager Scully any more Miss scully are you are you done? Just want to you're done great. Thank you for your comments Next we're going to move to item number two. Excuse me. I'm number three the staff put together an incredible bus tour on Saturday and There were I believe 21 members from the committee on the bus tour, which was an incredible number We were very pleased with the turnout though. We would have liked to have had everybody there We know that that was not possible Things come up and life happens But nonetheless or happy to see as we went around the bus and took role that we had at least one member If not to and sometimes a full house from each of the districts represented on the bus tour And so I just wanted to review for those of you who were not there and for the benefit of the public The the projects that we went to visit you can see them up there We went to see Hemisphere civic park San Pedro Creek old Spanish trail OP Schnabel park Harberger Park McAllister Park Bracken Ridge Park Lockwood and Dingwitty parks as well Unfortunately because of the rain we weren't able to jump out and Put our feet on the ground if you will to several of them and but it really helped us understand also the importance of our Work and our decisions and how it also chimed chimes into the drainage systems as well We saw them definitely quickly in action We saw how the parks department works in very close coordination and why it's so important that a lot of these projects Go forward because drainage is a very important issue across the city And with when we're under this type of weather conditions The use of the parks as part of the drainage system becomes very important and so that was certainly noted You know as civic parks Add significant value to the quality of life the wonderful quality of life that we have here And I think because of the success of the parks It's the reason why we have had so much interest At our meetings and so I think it's it's really a hats off To the commitment that our community has had in the investment that we have made Over the course of the years that we've made into our large regional parks Our civic parks as well as the small pocket pocket parks because we've come to rely on them for what cities use parks for for recreation for access to Health and wellness and for social equity and so when it comes to fighting for our parks Well, you know what we get pretty excited about it And that's what we've sensed here over the last several months and it's wonderful to see everybody come out again for that so We thought those of us who were on the bus at the end of the day that it would be a good opportunity for us to share some thoughts about what we saw About what we experienced and so I thought we would open up for discussion and spend a few minutes on that so I'd like to Open up and we'll in our normal fashion Brian will take names and we'll raise our hands to to be recognized Yes, Doug and then Melanie Well, let me say I've been on a lot of parks tours and every time I go I learned something So I think it was a very valuable experience One of the things that I was struck by was this theme of connectivity whether we're connecting Dignity and Lockwood or the two halves of harbour or more importantly Connecting those parks to each other through a series of greenways. I thought was really fascinating Thank You Doug Melanie Thank you again for putting together the the park stores Other than the weather it was really fantastic to truly see the transition from Urban to more suburban parks like going when we started at Hemsburg Civic Park Seeing the complete change and we learned that no one park is completely The same to their neighbor and I think that was really fantastic to hear because that's truly What you want in a city is that you don't want to have to go to a cookie cutter park you want a destination park in some cases and so Especially yesterday when we when we got our got to see our city running through with thousands of crazy people running through our city 13.1 5k 6 or 26.2 We were able to actually pass by some of these I counted seven parks Probably in my delirium and not paying attention Seven parks and to me that is truly amazing that not one of them's looked the same And so I think that's one thing that we needed to pay attention to when we're making these decisions is that Doug is correct that We are truly gifted that we live in this wonderful city And that with one when one of our parks fails that means The next one doesn't get as strong. It just means that it's not It's not brought up to the full potential that it could be Melanie I think you're absolutely right the issue of connectivity that narrative that we've been talking about really came to life as we were able to see And and when Xavier was our parks director was showing the map of The entire city and you saw green space and how as As we went to the outer parts of the community green space became less and less And that importance that we need to be mindful that as we Have the opportunity to acquire land that becomes very important to do so Let's see who is next Brian Valeria and then charles and then rosa and then miss wilson. I think Yeah, um the tour overall was a positive experience very eye-opening. It allowed us to envision The connectivity between the park system Which would be very unique to any city in this country. So it's a very positive thing. Um one of the things that I Do want to address though is that we were asked to open our scope beyond our own districts And encompassing the entire vision of the growth of our city specifically in the park system I believe we have Um and the tour allowed us to do just that Um, but has and I wanted to ask this of the rest of the committee have You guys considered the the neighborhood parks and needs um the tour we never really went south or west of downtown And um, it would have been nice to have seen those parks that are that you know that they have very specific needs And I just you know, I wonder how many people outside of your own How have how many of you guys have gone outside of your own scope of your own district To look at these parks in these neighborhoods on your own time Even though we didn't vote to tour these specific parks You know, we were asked to do the same and we are communities and districts that really do have Very specific needs and the destinations Uh for the community are these community parks. So we're talking about being destination Uh city of destination parks and all of that But we really do still have to recognize that there is a need in these in these communities that we really have not Really spoken about because we have talked a lot about hard burger We've spoken a lot about mcallister and hemisphere and we have yet to address I feel as a committee the need of community equity And I ask my community members if we could Find some way to leverage that because there is a lot of leveraging within the the bigger projects And in these communities the leverage that we have our people leverage You get people fundraising through plate sales and small fundraisers Which these communities will never ever see the scope and uh scale of money being Invested and these are just as important of investments In our city because it is the infrastructure and these communities Where the communities that seeded the growth that we are now voting on for these bigger citywide projects today So I just asked my community members to consider that Consider the parks that we didn't see And the needs that the the strength of our our city is within the communities as well Thank you valeria Charles Charles you're next Oh, sorry Yes, first I would like to thank each committee member for their commitment What I saw in the rain was a lot of committed people that was beyond the scope of what they're here for And I know I've said some some things about hard burger park. I was very surprised. We're called field hard burger park But I also learned Some historical things that san pedro park 1724 I mean and some of the creek ways There were some things and opportunities of things that I didn't even know about Well, one beautiful park I saw was the old spanish trail I believe that's what I saw and how they are using the ecosystem and so forth and also engaging The the youth in the process. So I was very much passionate about that But what I like to do now is also say We I want to withdraw our recommendation for district two to take two million from hard burger park Because we did have that conversation Mr. Diller that you told us to have With our council people and so forth. So our councilman wanted us to stay within our own Parameter So he's asked us to to look at something within our own district two to To draw from and that would be the sunken that's on gardens. What is it called? Botanical gardens and so for those other projects in our district and I would I know we're here and we want all our projects fulfilled But we must do our own soul searching and must have a communication With our district person because that's the ones ultimately going to make these decisions And I guess we can save them a fight and media bliss if we do these things Before hand, so I would ask that we that others join and what I'm doing. I do apologize to hard burger park Yes, I did call the u.s army Corps of engineers and tech start and I wanted to make sure there was a Opportunity not to shut down words for our parkway for two years and so forth So I do apologize if you thought this is my way was Ugly way, but I do have a heart Thank you Thank you, Charles. And so just from a process standpoint and thank you for the follow-up and yes, we encouraged uh, each of the members and districts to talk to their Council person and staff before the meeting so that we could go through and have some very good conversations here tonight And about the proposals on the table. So what we'll do from a process standpoint is we're going to go through and we're going to We'll just double check or we'll make any Changes to the proposal right after this part of the discussion. So, uh, let's see rosa is next. Yes, rosa Good evening, everyone Taking the tour for me was outstanding. I'm glad I took the tour We are one city We're one city with 10 committees Or 10 districts But what I what I learned on the tour That we are all committed I met new sisters and brothers that i'm Facing you from across one another And not knowing the end of you But that bus tour allowed us To really become that one So I thank you for allowing me to serve on this committee. I see my councilman up there. Amen Alan works. So I thank him for choosing me. I think And everything that charles said we do we send that proposal to take monies that 2 million from heart burger Harbor, you're great people great people I did talk to the chair. My grandson is trying out for basketball tonight. I have been faithful. So I'm going to excuse myself Amen, and I just You all know I'm a bishop in the pastor. So I've been praying So I I've already prayed up that the rest of this session will go as Planned god bless you and keep you as my prayer Thank you rosa Okay, jenna Thank you. I also benefited from this tour and it became really apparent to me how important all of these parks are I want to echo the city manager's comment about how these Staff recommendations went through some scrutiny themselves And so I have a question. It may be directed at staff If I may and I'd like to know if or what would happen to those projects that are within let's say the $250,000 range if they're not recommended to go forward So what happens is that we will consider them As part of the annual budgeting process We have had an annual maintenance program for our park system where we tried to Accomplish some of the smaller projects saving the bond program for the bigger more impactful Investments in the community It's not a guarantee that each and every one of them will be funded But we do have a multi-year program Where we do study those smaller type projects that we can incorporate into the annual budget I should mention too that If in the end you have one or two projects that you really wanted to fit into the program but Cannot be funded The committee can recommend to the council that if there are savings in the park's category That you recommend to the council that those one or two projects be considered next Or funding Okay, so that doesn't guarantee they will be done, but in 07 We saved 47 million dollars in all the categories and the council was able to go back to the bond committee recommendations And it either expands scope of projects maybe do an additional phase or take on some additional parks or streets or drainage improvements In 2012 The economy was much stronger and we don't see those kinds of savings, but we are within budget So in this next program If there are savings you do have that latitude to recommend that If there are savings you'd like to recommend these additional one or two projects for consideration Thank you Thank you very much Okay, I believe that is anybody else want to make any comments Okay, so with that Thank you all very much for those of you who were able to attend It was a great experience truly and I I want to echo The comments about us coming together as one group I truly truly feel that it was extremely beneficial to be able to do that. So thank you again to the staff I believe Mike how many other tours were going on at the same time? I think there were how many committees? Four we have four total four plus Yes, so there were four committees plus the rock and roll marathon plus Another huge I mean there was just things going on throughout the entire city So it was an incredible coming together and the staff was phenomenal, so it was Terrific to happen. So excellent. So now what we would like to do is if you could I'd like to pull your attention to the proposals that we had I'm going to go through this sheet right here Muddy out. So this is the sheet that you have in your packet Let's see page four in your packet attachment a And we would like to go through district by district Brian. Do you want to want you have it right there? We'll have Brian walk us through And at this time we'll go through district by district any changes that you would like to have Made to the proposals that you had so we'll start off with district one And if you look up here on the on the projector screen, it's also up there and staff will be making changes as we go through so At the last meeting district one had made a proposal to move To defund three million dollars from him is fair and fund three million dollars to old spanish trail You know leave that to district one Does that stand the question is does that are there any changes that we want to see to that proposal? If not, we will make the change or we will keep it as is or move on co-chairs, um, if I may, um Based on the information that we receive on the best tour There are some important projects like uh civic park at hemisphere That if we don't get to 21 million dollars, it's not going to happen So I can tell you it's going to delay a lot of the things that we want to do downtown. So This is one of the projects that that's what we asked that question about those small projects about 250 295 200 thousand if they could be Part of the process or part of the regular city budget With that there's at least 10 of those projects. Um, could be about two and a half million 2.2 So based on that if we could use Those smaller projects into funding the old spanish trails and put as much as we can from each of the committee members So we can get to hemisphere to 21 million dollars. So this is something that I'd like to hear Thank you. We we thank you. We uh, hold on, please Thank you very much. We this is a very complex Conversation that we're having and we need to understand what's happening. So thank you for your enthusiasm, but help us because We're needing to understand each other. So I'm also very interested in hearing from all the committee members I think that the group became very very close on saturday My future recommendation to whoever is running this in the future that we don't just have one bus tour But potentially if we have 50 projects plated over three Saturdays and go see every single project I can tell you the the project on the east side of those two parks being united makes a lot of sense I mean, it's such a simple project of Just doing the sidewalks and putting the trees and the grass and all that and make it a bigger so I like to hear from all the committee members, but This is something that we can put on hold until we figure out how to put enough money to to make civic park happen So I can I like to hear from all the other Nine district members here, but we will we will make changes to this Because we were actually selected by a council member to take care of the specific project So we basically have a responsibility to our councilman director Trevino So our interest is to put the majority of this money back, but we want to hear from everyone else first And then if we can help a few other projects around the city, there are some That unfortunately if you're going to build a sports park or a complex If you don't put enough money, it's just not going to happen It's not going to look completed and that's the impression that I get by visiting a lot of other parks on my own time There's a lot of parks that need a lot of help But what has happened is just we have limited funds every year And we got to take care of so many parks and the maintenance. I mean, that's another thing That if you're building a park who is going to take care of that Don't expect the city parks and recreation to take care of all this There has to be a school districts involved. There has to be other non-profit organizations like civic park and Other groups like at Bracken Richards at least five different groups that can help on the maintenance. So we will Probably Put this on hold hoping that the other members will put some money and help us to to make a civic park a reality Okay, uh, thank you marco and Just to remind her these are proposals in this first round We're going to recess and allow staff to reassess the situation and uh, put it back up on the screen for us And then we'll come back and we'll do all the motions the second time around So what I understand is you wanted to Reallocate the funding That you've already done and then when we go around If anybody wants to chip in on old Spanish trail with smaller projects Yeah, the solution if we get to 21 million dollars for hemisphere civic park We will be happy to help find this other project the old Spanish show We just got to get there. Okay, and if everyone pitches in a little bit of money, we will get there Okay, um, so for district two For district two, um The proposal was to pull one million nine hundred and fifty thousand dollars from hard burger park And uh allocate that throughout dawson mok applause and fit in Sullivan That's correct. And our councilman has had a conversation with mr. Rebar And we've been addressed and he wants to stay within our own lane. So we're moving that to The town called gardens instead of hard burger park and then we'd like to add the dawson Uh dignity hill piece the three hundred thousand dollars on the list that uh, miss scully spoke about Can you district to can you say that last part about the 300 000? Yeah, if additional money is left over we just like to um add not in this budget here But if there's a list where monies were saved in 2012 bond or something like that that they can use to Allocate toward dawson. That's in dignity hill. It's a different dawson understood. Okay So so so so to uh recap That I just wanted to say that we would we retract What we had said earlier about hard burger park the 1.95 million and we'll move that to The potanical gardens. I've already spoken with the young man representing potanical gardens Okay, okay, so we recognize that they have raised a lot of money But this is what recommendation from the city councilman district understood. Thank you very much mr. English So the last shift with district three was all uh within the district You uh pulled 400 000 from world heritage, which is a citywide three project 800 000 from uiw, which is citywide three project and then allocated to via coronado Jupey manner and then five diamonds, which are all within district three. Um, do you have any changes? We have no changes. Okay. Thank you Uh, same thing with district four all of your changes were within your district 100 000 from millers pond And 30 000 from spicewood and then that uh, you added those together and put 130 000 at the stablewood any changes Yes, there is a change. We're going to take the whole 130 000 from millers pond Leave spicewood alone with its 300 000 And give that 130 000 to stablewood farms park Okay, awesome. Thank you uh district five You had proposed to uh pull two hundred two million. Sorry not two hundred million. Don't do that Um two million from hemisphere One million from a zoo garage and then allocate two million to the district five parks package and one million to normal senior I think it's softball lead According again to our city council person We've been asked to fund um as close to possible Fully fund hemisphere park so we will need to take back the two or Give back the two million And I'd like to propose taking potentially an additional million from the zoo garage And an additional million from uiw and that would offset that two million. It's still going to go to the same people The park's package and normal Thank you very much District six, uh, your proposal was uh pull three million from hemisphere and allocate three million to the skate park in district six Sorry about that Yeah, initially actually what we had up there was four million We're not going to change that but what we did have was four million For uh the skate park and a million and a half for piper's meadow It somehow that disappeared off of there Piper's meadow. So anyway What we're looking at is the three million Now for the skate park and one and a half million for piper's meadow Let me give you a little bit of an explanation there This was not done lightly as far as hemisphere However, after the tour Very impressed with the park And I am certain that it will be funded Not yet One million five hundred uh and skate park three million So you're you're asking for an increase in four point five million Well, not an increase to four point five million For the skate park the Four point five million from hemisphere One and a half million for piper's creek piper's meadow and then skate park three million These projects after our Uh during the the time frame of the meetings these two projects came up They cannot wait for another five years The skate park is to break a cycle where we have kids today at risk Going to skate parks unsupervised. They meet people with drugs. They meet graffiti This is a we have the people who have the vision today To put this park together We have a location that's by a senior housing ymca At a library and tons of kids across the street And I think we can break the cycle and I think it's the time and the place for it to happen The piper's meadow Has a linear creek park running right by it However, to go through it. They have to cross a number of streets To get to it. This is 700 plus homes plus seven apartment houses This can be leveraged with the ingram park Uh trailhead which has a via bus section So it there's a lot of leveraging here and again, we can't wait five years for that And again, I don't ask lightly. I wish we could improve, you know, increase the budget What we have done inside which is not up there. We have six Uh funded projects that we're going to reduce by eight percent So that we can support an additional requirement that we have for one of our parks They initially asked for 500 000. We're taking that down to 232 So you don't see that up there. I can give you a list. I don't know how to best to do that And these are new recommendations new proposals new proposals, okay, but that leaves our money the same for our funded projects Okay, so you're you're wanting to shift from which parks to which which park We have Because we've mentioned six funded projects which eight percent from which which projects all of those six projects Oh, oh, okay From eight except for north san Antonio hills And that is going to get that eight percent added to it and that will total 532 Or that particular park I'm looking at our budget Well, you don't have that up there. You don't have it up. Well, she she's making the changes live. So can I handle this? Yes Yeah, that'd be good. So what what project would be funded? From the six that are being cut. He's going to hand you the paper that he was working from We did our own I'm hardheaded Um, do each of these recommendations take a vote from committee or is this all going for our final recommendations? Like these proposals right here districts. That's what's proposed in all these. Do we all get to vote on them as this individual proposal? So we'll go through the motions on the second round to vote on each of these. Yes, ma'am No, that's just one. Okay. Thank you Can we use this as um Xavier can we use that can we clarify this during clean up time and reset time? And let's move on to district seven district seven So district seven recommended in the last one to move 1,350,000 from botanical gardens and also two million dollars from stuping ranch and they were going to take that 3.350 million And distributed between crystal hills district seven parks package Monticello And then two million to old spanish trail Thank you. We'd like to give back the two million to stuping ranch We still want to keep botanical gardens at 1.35 million We'd like to uh reduce crystal hills or we'd like to re um resend our proposal of crystal hills And cdc cd seven parks package We'd like to take one million from opeesh enable to ost Okay, is that it? That's it for us. Thank you. Okay. Thank you Actually, I don't have District a you all didn't have a proposal last time. Is that correct? Right? Okay District nine You your last proposal was uh two million Margaret will use your speaker microphone I just wanted to say that the bus tour was great and I did get to meet some wonderful people and district two We are deeply grateful that the The recognition of what's important is um Part of your the way you do your deal So we're very grateful to you for that and um, we do support the big community projects and we're Excited about uh getting this done. So thank you You're gonna make me cry more So uh district nine, um your proposal was to remove two million dollars from opeesh enable and allocate it towards stuping ranch Yes, and uh district nine would like to resend that request for two million dollars from opeesh enable We'll leave things as they are So no no, okay. Thank you district 10 1.5 million from parent homestead and you're moving that to vital creek park and that is an in district move Before carrying out that, um Recommendation I would like if stays city staff could tell us a little bit more about parent homestead I I hope that's oh, well. No, no, that's fine. Well, I would like to know more about what the project entails What the 1.5 million goes to as far as the adaptive uses how far along and plans those are in place Is that okay cultures so the city's in the process of purchasing the the parent homestead Um, we have a lot of history that's been out in the packets and follow-up items So we're purchasing it with the intent that in the bond program Hopefully you all the council and the voters approve it and we will uh, that will be an adaptive reuse So it is a historic home on about seven acres there and we want to be able to It needs work inside to make it usable and we want to open up for a public program in public activities Around the facility inside. It's a beautiful bold limestone Historic site. So that's the intent is to fully program that space inside and out And that's what the bond dollars would go towards to get it ready Anything more specific and the plans for the future? Um, I don't know if I can get much more specific than that There's there's going to be it's going to be for full public use by uh, multiple agencies and I don't know if there's much more than that At this point, but so not too many like laid out plans in in place Right. So the again the acquisition is occurring now Separate from the bond program If we if it's not in the bond that's going to be an issue Because we'll be able to do much with it. We'll have to look for funding to try to get it ready for public use Um, as far as the vital creek park project that's shovel ready, correct as far as plans are I don't know for sure. Actually, that that's uh, I believe that's a developer Yeah, I don't know the status of the design That's a developer participation District him would like to propose As opposed to taking 1.5 from parent homestead To divide the 1.5 million between the two projects making it 750 000 to parent homestead and 750 000 to vital creek park Okay, um Let me see how we can do this here. Um, okay, so marco had his hand up and then we're going to jump over to jacob. Okay Yep, we um, we have a joint Conversation here with shun. So what we would like to do go back to district one and basically Reduce the skate park the three million dollars decrease that from the skate park That could be achieved by the savings at the end of the bond that they could be the first one on the priority list So the only thing with this is We haven't had a I guess it the skate park isn't funded Well, but someone put money to move it from another source. So We need to wait until the second round in order to do that. Okay, so can we hold on that proposal? Yeah, we would also put the Three million dollars on hemisphere from old spanish trail right now And we would like to add the two million dollar two million dollars left from encounter where sports complex into hemisphere also But the point is we have current proposals that we have all been looking at So we need to allow We need to allow a reset of everything that's at the table allow staff to take a look at it Then we're going to go around one more time and make some changes and then be able to vote I'll let shun explain it's a second We we never completed We were we were waiting for all the committee members to speak So if so you want to put it back to where it was basically. Yeah, okay so original original proposal was three million from hemisphere and shift that over to old spanish trail Is that what you're proposing to go back to because you can't so so hang on So the 4.5 million for the skate park was coming from hemisphere So in order to allocate the three million from that back to hemisphere That's you know, we can do that all night Got so brian if I may What we're looking to do we want to make absolutely sure That hemisphere is fully funded So we want to keep that 21 million at hemisphere, but we are sensitive to Old spanish trail soccer complex as well so we're hoping that from the experience of the bus tour and with Everything that was accomplished through that as far as the the unity That as this was get together we can do what we can to ensure That we also can allocate some funds closer old spanish trail soccer complex I think our concern is that we want to work more towards things that's going to be completed And we believe that civic park would be a completed project and going off the docket And then we can move on to look at other things We're not interested in having fragmented Things all across the district so just to put very simple 21 million back to Hemisphere and then we'll see what we can do concerning old spanish trail soccer complex But we are on our hands and knees I'm asking for assistance to fund that In reality, we want to put the three million on the hemisphere back Zero on the old spanish right now And then we want to add the two million dollars left right now from uiw You already took 800,000 out of it Co-chairs of ame We do understand that what we propose it may be more of a second round type scenario So we may be a bit premature in requesting that But we're ready to make recommendations as needed once that second round begins But to make it very clear We do want to ensure that 21 million dollars stays in civic and then As discussion opens up in the second round We do have some proposals on how to have Old spanish trail soccer complex funded Understood, okay Thank you. Thank you. Sean and marco and I know you guys are kind of left in the wind here Depending on the rest of the committee. So I appreciate that Let me get jacob jacob was next and then i'll get jill, but thank you We'll we'll wait for round two Okay, so what we're hearing is that we're going to take a 15 minute recess We are going to allow for staff to reset all of the numbers go through and verify There have some slides that they are going to adjust Then we're going to come back and we're going to have them take a look and go through scope of impact And then we will discuss as a group and make any other changes that we want to see and then begin on votes All right committee members committee members, please talk to each other


Hey everyone, this is going to be a bit of an odd video Because we're talking about the Nintendo switch light a system. I don't own now It is the system I have used it is system I have touched but I've had three of these bad boys in my house and that's what I'm going with now I am considering buying a switch light for my one of my children But the thing is is there's a lot of merits to the question. Is the switch light actually a good System or is it even good in comparison to this switch? Yes, you can't dock it We all know that's a feature not included But I'm not talking about the ability just as a handheld system a portable system is a good in comparison to what the alternative is Which is this big boy? Nintendo switch which might be a bit, you know unseemly say for people with smaller hands now I have monster hands. I mean look at this. I can touch My back of my hands together while I'm holding the switch, but the thing is The switch light wouldn't be for somebody like me. It would be intended more for Say my five-year-old or my seven-year-old or even my ten-year-old It wouldn't necessarily be intended for me now We've seen advertising of college students using it and everything but I think we can agree That's probably not the typical use case although I'm sure there's plenty of adults out there that happen to own a switch light You might even own both of them now What maybe start to question this isn't just my own experiences with switch light It's actually a post put up on reset era But this by a member named garrison where he actually Severely regrets buying a switch light and I find his reasons for it quite interesting because I feel like the reasons He has for it are the same reasons that you should just not like a switch in general And it makes me wonder if people are misunderstanding the system a little but also is there something? That's just in particular even worse about the switch light in comparison to the switch before I get into this I am giving away a Nintendo switch or a PlayStation 5 or an Xbox series X details on that down in the description or the pin to comment All right, let's get into this post. So Garrison says Yesterday, I found myself selling my Nintendo switch light for some store credit at GameStop Something that I haven't done ever on account of just being unhappy With a system and I'm just perplexed at all the wrong things Nintendo got so wrong with the system But in the last two years I've kind of regained my love of portable gaming more than ever Thanks to being on the go more than inside the house Even with the pandemic that started last year, which made a lot of us stay home a lot more It did not matter to me as I enjoyed going around in the house and playing everywhere next to the wife While she watches TV outside on the balcony, etc I was expecting what I've always liked about Nintendo portables with this one having a system that feels great in the hands Okay, um the great Nintendo software to play along with great games from other publishers here and there But this thing just fails by all accounts. What's even more surprising to me is how in the hell As was YouTube games media and other internet raving about this system The switch light is still probably the only system you would most likely find at stores available more than other systems And I get it that people are rightfully looking for the proper switch console But I don't know why these two points I have been talked I'm going to talk about repeatedly, but I will detail them here The problem with this system is not that it has a few problems, you know, every system has those You know things like like a themes or whatever the case might be the main issue I have with the system is it really doesn't do anything well like literally nothing I'm surprised Nintendo put this thing up to be honest. It's the worst system. They have put out since the virtual boy It's a rather lofty claim But has enjoyed success out of being a lower cash accessible switch I guess it has the worst ergonomics of any handheld out there by a major game company ever This thing is just trash reaching the top buttons Well changing from the analog stick to the D-pad was probably something that no one ever tried before sending this in the manufacturer I own a Game Boy Advance a PS V go a PS Vita a 3ds and a DS light and every single one of these has better Ergonomics I kind of agree with that by that way most most people solutions of all putting large grips on it Yes, there are grip solutions out there for this that fix it Which is to say what's the point just get the regular switch? Here's the thing when people say all the solution to the switch light grip issue because it illegitimately has a you know It's not that comfortable to hold is Get the regular switch. This is the same issue just because the controllers are a little bit bigger You know a little bit taller doesn't fix that problem It's still kind of uncomfortable when you're holding it because he's basically talking about you're holding it You know and this is gonna look a weird this way But basically when you're moving your thumb from here down to the D-pad and how? Uncomfortable it is to keep your fingers on the top triggers So as you move your thumb down, it's kind of weird to keep your finger It just doesn't feel it feels cramped using the D-pad while keeping your fingers up here And that is an issue that's even slightly worse obviously on a switch light where there's even less space So it's it's kind of a a weird decision Nintendo made and it definitely doesn't feel that good now There are solutions out there of course some excellent solutions that make the switch You know really comfortable to hold but it's a problem on this switch too. So It's not really just a switch light issue ergonomics has been an issue with switch from day one And it's kind of funny too because Nintendo's own grip for this system Fixes the ergonomic issues that exist with the joy con on their own So it's like Nintendo knew there was ergonomic issues and just didn't care Kind of interesting on that front All right The next complaint he has is that the screen is way too small for the content that you play on the system What I got from this thing was more eye strain than entertainment You could tell publishers don't give two craps about portable mode and even Nintendo themselves half-asset Last thing I tried was the monster hunter demo and reading the text alone will put your eyesight to the test Nintendo had way more screen space available on this thing They start with the bezels of course Um would be playing it said they ought to put some big fn bezels on it and cheap out Like at least you know everyone is going to do big TV big TV games on it and make them actually as playable as possible So This is an issue with this switch as well. Now this screen is huge. Okay in comparison to the switch light. It's pretty big Uh, nintendo's official dimensions. I have this right here This switch is four inches high nine Uh, nine point four inches long and uh point five five inches deep Uh with the joy con attached, uh, whereas the switch light is only three point six inches high So just a little bit a little bit, you know shorter, so it's like right here Um, but it's only eight point two inches.  So if you're at the diagonal here, it kind of shrinks into like I can't get my fingers exactly right, uh, so it shrinks into about right there now that technically is In terms of nintendo portables the second biggest portable screen nintendo's ever had it's still bigger than the new nintendo 3ds Uh, then the xl version etc. It's still bigger than that So it's not a tiny screen. The problem is a lot of games monster hunter rise is one of those offenders right now um, the the text is just really hard to read and I'll admit one of my issues when I tried monster hunter rise at right after I read that post I I fired it up on switch I don't try to fire it up here for you guys because it's gonna be hard to see in portable mode Um, but the text is just really small and because the text is so small in this game Um, it it can be really difficult to read now I tend to do okay ever since I got contacts But even then I find myself squinting at times uh to read text in some games and it's very clear that many games Are not designed with the portable aspect in mind and that's kind of a shame that games aren't designed that way by default Because when they're not designed that way it creates a poor experience in portable mode essentially you can tell That while nintendo has touted the switch as a home console first Uh, that even with the switch light, it's very clear the switch And at least the games made for it are made with the home console approach They are made for your tv first made for the portable second now He does mention that nintendo games, uh, you know Our offenders of this too and then brings up monster hunter rise monster hunter rise notably is not made by nintendo I would have preferred him to mention Something nintendo related now. I haven't had any issues with nintendo text Maybe a couple things in xeno blade that would have would have been maybe a nice example And i'm sure you guys could think of hundreds of examples of games that just have poor text me This initial text isn't that bad when it's just talking about the demo But it's when you're in game It's the in game text is the issue not the menu text or the and like the warning text and how many tries are left on the On the demo like this is all fine But then uh, you get into the actual game here and get this loaded up here and hopefully show you Um, the text could be hard to read. I mean even here. This is already Not the greatest experience and even now i'm noticing on a on a normal switch As soon as I go to use the d-pad look look where my finger is. It's off the triggers Because it's just not comfortable to put it up here. So I think the issue that we're gonna have And i'm just gonna load up one one thing i've already done in this game In single planer just load up a basic character here is that The switch light is basically Exasperating all the issues the switch has Um, the switch has terrible ergonomics the switch. Uh, the a lot of games made for the switch are not made Uh for You know people with little I mean I look at this. I don't know how well this is gonna show up Um, you know the camera kind of focuses the way it wants Uh, and I'll maybe I'll try to get a closer up. I'll look at someone else probably did But like the text is is pretty tiny and not easy to read in some regards Um, I can I could tell that it says m primed it up in the corner But I this is also on a bigger screen This is going to be an even bigger issue like I could barely tell about the l and y buttons down to use potions Um, that's not good and that's before you even talk to anybody Uh, because I know there's a person you could talk to Um, and maybe not in this part of the game. Maybe in the act. Maybe it's just a demo part that does that, but um It's wild just absolutely wild Um, as I'm now getting distracted by monster hunter. Uh, the point is that I I feel like the switch light calling it a bad system is really just saying it's the switch It has the joy con drift issue except they're not called drift or not called joy guys It still has the drift issue same same design control sticks It's basically has every problem that this system has Except it's a little bit worse As in the text is a little bit smaller when it was already too small So the text in minigames are is even smaller The ergonomics that are already terrible on the system are even worse and um, yeah It also doesn't have the the tv mode feature Which is something you should know going into buying it that it's not going to work on your tv But still it's like you're giving up all of that for a worse experience So you could say yes go buy this switch if you're just going to play it on tv Hook it up to your tv take the joy cons i'll put them in the grip Uh, the joy con grip and it's a much better experience or buy the pro controller Which I have them i modified mine with with rgb But the point is go you'll probably have a pro controller or something Or a power a controller or whatever you want to use with your switch Uh, there's adapters out there. You can use your xbox or playstation controls with it as well. The thing is that I question What the purpose of the switch light was until I just look at you know as you look at nintendo's comparison handheld only no tabletop No, there's no they didn't put a kickstand on it even though you can hook a hook up with a joy con to it It's got a slightly better battery life even then the model 2 switch. It's got a slightly better battery life all that jazz okay But then you see the price point and it starts to come into mind why the switch light exists Okay, this was this was debated about a year ago. The whole reason the switch light exists is to be an entry point into the switch Systems if you don't plan to ever play in anything but handheld This doesn't offer Really a better experience than the switch light does if you're worried about ergonomics This thing sucks too and you're gonna be buying a grip Okay, there's some amazing ones out there that are stupid expensive There's also some cheap ones out there that'll get you by You know that The satisfied grip comes to mind as one that's just widely popular Super comfortable and they make it for the switch light and they make it for this and what's cool about making it for the switch Light is a switch light. It's not a system.  The switch is a great system. It has great games. It offers great functionality This model switch offers amazing functionality from you to go from docked mode to portable mode the tabletop mode I'll Play a wide variety of home console games on the go plus getting the you know handheld games and making them even better like pokemon Although, you know sword and shield being better. I guess obviously, you know subjective and everything but Uh, we still have pokemon games that at least visually look better than we've seen pokemon games look in the past Uh, we're seeing an evolution of gaming to a point where switch is becoming For some people maybe their favorite platform ever created But the switches had problems from day one and those problems have never been solved And a lot of us have been waiting for the switch pro hoping that some things would get so obviously joy con drift has Been a lot of coverage, but yeah, this thing's not very ergonomic even for me I can get my hands a little tired playing this for longer sessions because it's just not that comfortable Now when I'm at home, which is where I game a majority of the time I end up playing with a docked and playing with a pro controller So I don't notice the issues as much because I admittedly don't play in handheld as much as I once did Say two years ago. Uh now that my home studio is all set up I play a lot more down here because I'm always recording footage or live streaming Which is not an I would say a normal use case, of course Most do people aren't content creators Worrying about that kind of stuff or thinking hey look even if I'm just playing for fun I might as well record the footage because I might potentially need this in a future video You guys don't play games like that or worry about that kind of stuff like I do But I'll just say this If you're thinking about getting a switch, this is absolutely the best thing you can get this is the version two Red box switch. It's uh back there on the shelf one of those three switch boxes there One of them is the red box version. That's what this is Um, it's a little dirty. My joy cons are kind of beat up for my kids My kids did did a number on this one, uh, but it's It's the better system But also if you're never gonna play in tv mode never gonna play in tabletop mode You should just buy a switch light Because the issues you might have with the ergonomics the issues Uh, you might have with the small text are always going to be there The small text issues, by the way, do not put that on nintendo I want to make this clear When text is too small on a system that has a portable screen like this You know whose fault that is the publisher Or really the developer for not optimizing their game for handheld mode They should nintendo optimizes almost all of their games for handheld mode So don't put like monster hunter rise on nintendo Don't put other third party games on nintendo if there's issues with doom eternal If there's issues with other games in portable mode, guess what that is on those companies It's not nintendo's fault So I can't call that a flaw of the switch light or even the switch when It's not nintendo's fault that companies don't optimize for it now When it comes to uh things like the ergonomics guess what you're gonna hate it on this too If you hate it on the light and you're gonna need to get something like a satisfied grip anyways So personally get the switch light if you only ever plan to play in handheld mode And you are willing to buy a case that has a grip on it or just an extra grip for it In fact, there's a few grips I could suggest for the switch light or the nintendo switch I'll put uh amazon affiliate links down down in the description for those Ones that I have personal experience with and think are amazing Satisfy grip included Which if you don't know what that is there's a billion reviews of satisfied grips out there But they're also on the higher end and they sell specialized cases for them and everything So you don't have to go that high end. There's there's cheaper Ones out there. They don't feel quite as good, but feel a lot better than by itself So to answer the question That I posed in the title of the video Is the switch light a bad switch system? Yes and no It's bad in that it exasperates issues that already exist on the original switch But then it's also not because it's only $200 And if you never plan to play in tv mode, I mean you get a bigger screen But I Probably the bigger screen is not as portable So you pay 200 bucks for a more portable system that still has a pretty big screen In comparison to any other portable out there besides the original switch You're going to deal with small text issues because that's an issue portables have always had when gaming are properly designed for it And hey, yeah, it's not very ergonomic and there's already solutions out there for that This isn't the solution to ergonomics. So Yes, it is bad in that it exasperates current issues with the original switch But it's also good in that it's only $200 and is an entry point for kids I can't suggest the switch light enough for children I really can't I have three children of my own one of them has well, two of them have actually owned a See three boxes back there two of them have owned a big boy switch one one of them got their switch stolen Sad world we live in that someone would steal a child switch I'm sure it was another child who stole it things happen My daughter has the the older version switch And like she enjoys it and yeah, my kids like taking the joy cons off But honestly, I have another kid of mine that prefers to play with the joy cons attached And wouldn't even be able to tell you the difference between the switch light and the switch Because they play it in handheld mode only anyways So I don't know I think that there's a lot of pros and cons to all of this that always has been I just think it's an interesting conversation to have as we sit here in 2021 And throughout 2020 as we realize the switch light is a more readily available system for a reason People want tv mode People want the ability to use a pro controller comfortably with a tv, but at the same point There is I think a market for switch light and that market is I think mostly kids and people with smaller hands and people that want handheld only It don't want to pay a hundred extra bucks for a dock and features that they're never going to use like detachable joy cons So You win some you lose some switch light is is basically all the issues of switch But smaller with no tv mode Take it for what it is. All right folks, uh, I'm Nathan Robert Janssen from the turn of prime Here's hoping that a revision is in the works a switch pro that'll fix some of these or even a next gen switch in two To three years that could see Better ergonomics no bezel better screen technology better battery life better everything across the board. I think would be Expected for next gen so We've been waiting a while for nintendo to address some of these concerns They haven't yet So we just have to hope a revision or a brand new system does it all right folks? Thank you so much for tuning in. I'm so sorry if you heard some of my children in the background They're playing in the other room. It happens life of a parent It is what it is. I'll catch you guys in the next video