s. But do want to say, folks, we are really excited about this project as it's going to be a fun one. And it helps us to do bigger things here at the channel. And so we really do want to say we appreciate all of your support. And James. Yeah. I'm back and I can't post things in chat quickly enough. So if you have questions stacked up for me that won't necessarily require Sal or Sal, sorry. I'm happy to do those. If not, you keep doing whatever you want to do. You're in charge. I know I like this. This is a good idea. It's a good use of time. Joshua Alex says, Matt, I'm an agnostic theist. I choose to believe in God because I can repeatedly predict a sublime experience. Well, not persuasive to others. Isn't this good evidence for me to believe in God? No. Gotcha. And Ed says, Matt, everyone that follows- Let me clarify. Because the fact, I have sublime experiences and so can other people. Sublime experiences aren't proof of God. If you want to make the case that, ah, sublime experiences are proof for God, you'd need to make an argument for it. But what you're doing seems to be no different than what Sal's doing, which is I really don't know, but this is the way I feel about it. Gotcha. No, I would say it's not reasonable.  If it's not reasonable, you make appeals to faith. You got it. And this one coming in from Ed. It says, Matt, everyone that follows you knows that your skepticism is personal in nature. Okay, so now it's just going into the personal stuff.  It's like it's not fruitful or productive and it's not really the quality of show that we're wanting to put on. So we do want kind of those more thought-provoking questions rather than name-calling or anything like that. So this one coming in from Arn Rorovic says question for Sal. That's what we got. We'll wait for Sal to come back for that one. And checking in on updated questions as well as, you've got other questions, namely, hate, love, nothing says, does Matt have any proof that falsifies the God of the Bible? Well, the God of the Bible isn't particularly well-defined. However, this is shifting the burden of proof. It's not like you're justified in believing in the God of the Bible until somebody proves it's wrong. That's not the way the burden of proof works. You have to demonstrate. It may be that the God of the Bible, as you define him, is ultimately unfalsifiable, which means there's no way to show that it's false. However, that also means there's no way to show that it's true. So can I falsify all the biblical God? It depends on how you define the biblical God. If you define the biblical God as a moral absolute who also holds that slavery is moral, then I would argue that you and me, and I hope that you agree with this, thinking slavery is immoral and making good case for it would show at least some sort of contradiction with the God of the Bible. And there you go for the person who, before the debate, asked whether or not we'd be talking about slavery, I had to throw one in. That's Josh's book. So you won't have to just listen to me. You'll have an expert. Crap, I was muted that whole time. Oh, hold on. I was like, man, all right, hold on. So let me do this. James was telling you all how excited it is that we may be having a debate. We're in talks to have a debate now with myself and Josh Bowen, the author of the book I held up, who also known as Digital Hammurabi, against Stuart and Cliff Connectley on the Bible's position on slavery. So what it means is not only do we get to have like an official discussion about slavery, but they're actually being a historian on my side. So I don't have to say anything or do anything and you all don't have to listen to me very much because I'll be a real expert here. Tushae, it's going to be juicy. And so absolutely, we are really excited. And so with that, let's see, wanna mention a couple of other things while we're at it. Oh, Sal, glad to have you back. And we do have questions. Hey, Sal. This one, Sal, this is a burning question. It's been burning deep in our souls. While you were away, we're excited to ask this. This was from Arn Rorvik. Question for Sal. We did, we asked that one. Where was the one that I was gonna ask? This is from Mini Goo Goo.  If so, why do you not accept the proper punishment? I can only accept it on faith. That is, that's probably one of the biggest problems for me personally. So yes, I do accept it on faith. God, John. But I'm not in a position to judge. I'm not God. And that's why I do accept it on faith. What a way of abdicating responsibility for a position you hold. I take it on faith, but hey, who am I to judge? I don't know, maybe a human being with a mind who should want to believe as many true things and as few false things as possible, who should want to have a criteria that best establishes whether or not a claim is likely true before they go believing it. Oh, well, it's a safe bet. And hey, if I'm wrong, only God can judge. I mean, I just don't get that. I'm not even knocking it. I just genuinely don't get it. It's like you don't care about what's true. And I'm not saying you don't. I'm saying that's how it seems to me. I'm not making an accusation. It seems. No, I respect that, Matt. And thank you for your comment. This one comes in from, Arn Rorvik says, I can't believe you read that, James, LOL. What was it about this Mark Pellegrino fellow? Is that, I think that I was asking Sal, is that one of your foes from the past? Who's Mark Pellegrino? I don't recognize the name if we've run into each other. Apologies. Gotcha. And question from Matt from Arn Rorvik as well says, Matt, can you explain why I think they mean Yahweh? Can't exist. I didn't say Yahweh couldn't exist. Gotcha. They may have, I thought that this is what they meant. They said, Jawa, J-A-W-E-H. I don't know if that's meant to be Yahweh or if it's something else. Mabaza Richie, thank you for your question said, Matt, I feel most spiritual around a campfire with my friends at a music festival. Do you think this is God or the MDMA? Well, given that if there's MDMA in play, I would say that that is the most proximate likely cause for your feeling. However, even without drugs or anything else, I don't know what you mean by, and I realize you're not here to answer it. I know what people mean by, oh, I feel most spiritual, because that is a word that means so many things to so many different people that it is essentially meaningless. I don't know what it means to be spiritual. I think I know what some people mean by it in that they feel connection with other people that seems to, you know, transcend them your physical, but your impression of how you feel around people is still just emotions in your brain until you demonstrate that it's more than that. If you can't demonstrate that it's more than that, then you shouldn't believe it's more than that. Gotcha. And this one just in from Jesse Shodal, holy smokes, we've been going two and a half hours. So we've got to wrap it up quick here. Who'd have thought Pascal's ways would be the longest debate we ever did. That's true. They said Mark Poligrino is an actor who famously played the devil on TV. Ah, okay, thank you. And Barry Berry, thanks to your super sticker who said keep it up with a, appears to be a pair, lifting dumbbells, thank you. That's encouraging. And Alonzo Muncie says, Matt, how would one prove a God claim anyway? I don't know. And that's part of the problem is that when it comes to, especially if the God is defined as supernatural, which most of them tend to be, I don't know how you could ever demonstrate the supernatural. I'm open to having it demonstrated. And by the way, so is science. Science, the scientific methodology is that make use of things like method, methodological naturalism. If anybody could demonstrate the truth of the supernatural propositions, that there was a phenomenon there, that science wouldn't have any objection to it to identifying the phenomenon. It's making a connection between the cause of this phenomenon is outside of nature, because we don't seem to have access to outside nature. So you'd have to come up with a mechanism that gave us access to show what supernatural is, then show that the supernatural can in fact affect the material world, and then in fact show that it doesn't is the most likely explanation for that. I don't know how that would happen. I'm not saying it can happen. I'm willing to be shown the second somebody can demonstrate that there's an actual, show me a limb re-growing. Answer the challenge of why won't God heal amputees? Why is it, oh God cure somebody of a headache or we don't have science for it, or we have some fine car keys, but there's people starving all over the world.   Well, probably not true, because my view is that Sal has his own God and so does every other believer because they're not tied to one thing. But in any case, there are people desperately praying and think that they're praying to the one true God and yeah, nothing happens. Gotcha, and this question coming in from, appreciate it, soda cabbage, really appreciate it, said what do paradoxes say about limits of reason? What do paradoxes say about the limits of reason? Yeah. I'm not sure that we, so paradoxes are a curious thing for me because they demonstrate the reliability of reason and they demonstrate where it breaks down. And so if you say the sentence is false, well, now you've essentially spoken a paradox and the only thing it's demonstrating is that our understanding of what counts as true may be flawed, that we have a bias in towards X is true as opposed to saying X is as consistent with the universe as we can tell, so. Gotcha, and thank you for your question. This one coming in from, El Spaghetti says, sending love to Sal, hope your mom is doing okay. Appreciate that, El Spaghetti. Thank you, that's very kind of you. Just for the record, I wanna thank people for their prayers from mom. I wasn't sure she'd still be here this Christmas. So even when I had my debate this summer, there was some uncertainty. So just wanted to say thanks for all the well wishes at least, so thank you very much and thank you, El Spaghetti. Much love. Thanks so much and yeah, I absolutely agree and so we do hope she's doing okay and we also, this is an opportunity to say, so really folks, there are these huge fundamental things we absolutely do agree on no matter what walk of life we are coming from and so I think that's an example right there and so we are with you, Sal. And MikeQ92Q said, Sal and Matt, thank you very much for the discussion. Much appreciated. Sal and Matt, what other philosophers and arguments seem plausible for both sides? I think they mean maybe when they say both sides, the way I interpret it is like both sides, so each of you explaining for both sides but I'm not sure if I've interpreted that right. Short and heavy. I don't read much philosophy. My favorite atheist philosophers are Bertrand Russell and John Stuart Mill and John Stuart Mill argued for having both sides represented, that's very important to understanding and that's about as much help as I can be. I'm not much into philosophical writings. Gotcha. Give Matt a chance if he wants. No, I don't know that I have anything particularly strong to hand. It's, yeah, let's just keep going. Next up, JG, we're gonna try to end with these last two questions so thank you guys so much for your questions but we do have to wrap up and so I wanna ask if you would be so kind. Stanley Ferdreuth says, thanks for putting on so many awesome debates. Keep up the hard work and blessings to modern day debate, solid debate, Sal and Matt. Thanks for your kind words and I'm so glad that you have kind words for both Sal and Matt who by the way are linked in the description, you guys. JG, last one of the night says, Matt, how do you feel about a broad approach to Pascal's wager that hedges against missing out on connecting with a possible creator and takes a stance of humility instead of one of default denial? Do you see any value here? Any value? Oh, I thought that was for Sal. Oh, no, I think they said. All right, I'm distracted by chatting for that, I apologize, I got wasted. No worries, I appreciate you saying. I'll focus on James. You've stayed past our original time mentioned so we do wanna wrap up with this one and wanna say thanks Matt. I'm completely focused. Thank you to Matt and Sal for staying past the original time that I had shared with them as we thought this would last roughly. They said, Matt, how do you feel about a broad approach to Pascal's wager that hedges against missing out on connecting with a possible creator and takes a stance of humility instead of one of default denial? Do you see any value here? No, no more than I would see in wearing a fancy necklace that's gonna protect me from the thing that's trying to kill me. The fact that you wanna kind of hedge this and say, well, you know, it shows humility.   That's the hubris that you're worth saving, that you are the purpose of the universe. Recognizing that Pascal's wager is not an argument for the existence of God. It's an argument for belief and it's a terrible one. It is essentially saying, hey, I know there's no good reason to believe in this, but act like you believe it anyway, and eventually hopefully you will believe. That's a bad argument no matter you just, what if there is a God? I'm fine with saying, what if there is a God? I'm fine with saying, hey, let's figure out if a God is possible. I'm not willing to say, ah, yes, a God is possible. I've demonstrated it when I haven't. And so until a God is God's possibility or existence is demonstrable, it doesn't matter how you doll it up or whether you want to claim about humility or whether you want to attack me and say that my pride is causing anger or that there's nothing that would convince me. It's all sophistry. If any of you had sufficient evidence to warrant belief, you should present it. It would be undeniable. You'd get the Nobel Prize. We would end all of this fighting and debate, but it doesn't happen. My position is it doesn't happen because the God that you believe in is almost certainly not real. Gotcha. And want to say thank you to our guests. They're linked in the description, folks, so you can hear or read more from them. We really do appreciate them, especially that they've stayed past the original plan of roughly an hour and a half to two hours. So we do appreciate them hanging out with us. And I will be back in about 58 seconds to give some channel updates. We're really excited about the future, folks. We appreciate all your support. And so we are thrilled for that. And as mentioned, be back in roughly 58 seconds. Thanks so much, though. Sal and Matt for being here once again. It's been a true pleasure. Thank you. Thank you. Thanks, Sal. Thank you, Matt. Thanks. Thanks, James. Ladies and gentlemen, we are pumped. Want to say thank you guys so much. We had several people pledge. I think it was like actually six or seven or eight. People who have pledged to the Kickstarter during this debate want to say thank you so much. It is linked at the top of the chat. So I put that Kickstarter link in the chat and then I actually pinned it to the very top of the chat. And so I want to say, you guys, we are pumped about this, you guys. Honestly, this is epic. It is we're basically using this Kickstarter strategy, this crowdfunding strategy more so in order to do bigger things at modern day debate. It's 2021. We've been doing this for several years. We've got about, if you include the debates that we erased because they were like pretty edgy and we were like, okay, maybe we should erase that. If you include those, we've done about 500 debates on this channel. We are pumped about it. And you guys were thinking, hey, we've got the experience. We've got so much support from you. And we want to say thank you guys so much. We're like, hey, we've got so many people that are pumped. They're excited about what we're doing here. They're buying into what we're doing. That's just the goal, the vision that we want everybody from no matter what walk of life they're from to have an equal platform to make their case on a level playing field. That's our goal. We want everybody to get their fair shot. And so we've been so encouraged by the fact that so many of you have been just like, absolutely, I'm all in for that. And so we'd also stress this. 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The more the merrier, it just kind of having that true melting pot or this eclectic mix. We really do hope you know, that's a value. And a lot of people talk about that and it's a lot of people, oh, we're so big about, we want this melting pot and all these people from different, you know, it's like, but do they really carry it out? And so one thing we want to say is, we do hope you feel welcome no matter where you're from, what your beliefs are, gay, straight, black, white, you name it, we hope you feel welcome, we appreciate you, we're glad you are here and we thank you for hanging out with us. And man, but you guys, I am just pumped as several of the updates. So the biggest thing though is I just want to keep mentioning that you guys, if you're kind of thinking like, you know what, this Kickstarter thing, like I don't know, maybe James, the reason is because with a lot of these bigger honorariums or taking bigger trips, like I'm really no joke, I'm not joking, this is totally serious. I'm thinking like we might be able to do, like it would be awesome to do a trip over to England as there are some big time YouTubers over there as well on topics such as the one tonight that we would love to actually do in-person debates with. And so that's actually something like, hey, that'd be actually a pretty epic to do in-person debates with. So for example, like Cosmic Skeptic we've had on before, that would be epic to have him on in-person. And so that's something that we're like, hey, this Kickstarter strategy allows us to do those bigger things with bigger honorariums or bigger trips, things like that to do bigger shows. 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But I do wanna mention a couple of other things while I'm trying to get to my live chat. I can see, no, not even the Twitch is showing, very embarrassing. So let me just log on. I'm gonna try to reconnect my internet on this laptop that I'm looking at. And wanna say in the meantime, several things that we want to mention in case you didn't know that I hope that are possibly of value to you. One is modern day debate is on almost every podcast there is. We want to encourage you, hey, like, if you like podcasts, see if we're on your favorite podcast. Just type it in, modern day debate. Next time you've got your podcast open, just, yeah, see. If we're not, I'm very serious that we will work to get on it. Just shoot me an email. I've only had one person ever who was like, yeah, it's like, I can't find you. And I was like, what is it? I can't remember what it was, but we're like, we'll get on there. And we did. And we are very serious about that. So I'm gonna show you just a sample here. So sorry that I can't interact with you for the moment, chat. Give me one second as I'm trying to actually connect with the internet on this laptop. It died on me when the battery died in just a moment ago. Oh, there it goes. Okay, hold on. I think I'm getting in. So wanna say though, very embarrassing. Hang with me, guys. By the way, I had a crazy day today. Let me tell you a story in just a moment. But yeah, we do hope that if you like podcasts, hopefully that's a value to you. And if you like Twitch, maybe you're like, hey, James, like modern day debate on YouTube, that's cool. But Twitch is where I really enjoy it. Cool, we've got a Twitch. It's linked in the description under our social media also, by the way. And, ah man, I'm still having trouble. Let me just pull it up on here. I think I can actually pull up the chat through, oops, modern, I can pull up the chat right here, yeah. Arn Rorvik, I'm confused. Very embarrassing, you could hear me there. But wanna say, let's see. I think the chat is catching up on this laptop. It is a trillion, yeah, it's a trillion chats behind. So give me one second, folks, before I'm actually able to read your chats. So sorry. This is weird, I've never had this happen before. But let me try on this computer again. We're gonna make it, hang with me, folks. I will tell you about my story today. I got, so I was visiting family in Oshkosh, Wisconsin. I got back here to Colorado and I, when I got to my car, the battery was completely dead. Fortunately, I was, someone tipped me off. They let me know that the battery, they couldn't get the car to start while I was gone. So I bought a battery on the way, but oh, it took so long to I was almost late to this debate because I was trying to put that new battery in. Thankful that I had daylight. That was definitely a blessing that made it easier to see. But oh my gosh, I'm like, let me see if I, okay. I don't know if the chat has, oh wait, let me see if this might work. Okay, so my story, my battery story. But yeah, that did take a long time, that was hard. Okay, AP, wanna ask you to stop doing personal attacks. Although here, Alma Tadero, I do need you to send me a copy and paste.  And I looked and I was like, the one that I saw, it was like, they weren't. So I do need a copy and paste, need a little bit of evidence there. Eskris Delopoulos says, do you pay attention better on Twitch or just say gotcha there too? I pretty much just say gotcha there too. Thanks for your ask, thanks for your question. G says, does Boundary Native 8 have a TikTok though? We don't, that's a good idea. I mean, I don't know what we would do on it cause I'm like so new to it. I'm a rookie, I'm an old boomer man. I'm a rookie to the new tech stuff. I am open to it, but I'm like, yeah, I just don't know what it is, but we'll see. And so, let me just see that this is coming through smooth. Yeah, so I'm seeing like, for example, like AP says Matt says that God must be proven by lab coats. I don't know if Matt actually says that. I highly doubt it. But I think that they're saying more that like they think they're trying to argue that Matt has a, that he has some sort of scientism, his bent towards scientism. Whether or not that's true, I don't know, but I would say that's not really hate speech. And it's not like really harassment. But Soli Deogloria says, congratulations James on your coverage. Coverage like, what do you mean? But thank you for your kind words. I appreciate the positivity. And Phil Kayo says, I just subbed on Google podcast. Thanks Phil, I hope it's a value to you to be able to listen to modern day debate on the go. Lily Ajah has just shared our Twitch, by the way, yeah. If that's convenient for you, I hope that it's valuable. I hope that it's fun for you as we, I gotta get better at actually like keeping an eye on the Twitch chat. Sorry about those who are chilling in the Twitch chat.  I'm so sorry about that. I wanna make this page bigger. Oh, there we go, that helps. Okay, so yes, looking in the live chat, thanks for your super chat from Joshua Alex, says James you were one of the most authentic, accepting and kind examples of Christ I've ever watched. I appreciate you and what you're doing here. Thanks Joshua Alex, that seriously is like the most encouraging thing I've ever heard. In extremely humbling, just because I'm like, I am so, I hate, I hate to just be honest, that like sometimes I get irritable and like you could say like sometimes I'm like, and I'd say I'm in such a great mood when I do modern day debate. You're seeing like a happy and pretty patient version of me because I'm so happy. I just love doing this. But in real life sometimes I'm like, I'm just a bit irritable and sometimes maybe short with people. And so I appreciate you saying that, but I have to tell you that you're getting a selected piece of me where I don't know if I'm even, but I appreciate your kind words and it's encouraging. So your encouragement really does me a lot. I do, let's see, let's see. We do have Philip Baker, thanks for hanging out with us. Let's see, talking smack to Justin Marty. And then we also have Al Cannon says, Al Cannon talking smack to the Christians. Oh, don't worry. I would say one thing is I don't want to like be too hard on people in the chat where, you know, like I personally, I would say a lot of stuff. I prefer the mods to just, I appreciate that the moderators are kind of like, you know, you might want to, I appreciate that they do a good job of like once in a while they might ding somebody and be like, hey, I just want to remind you to kind of please, please not harass people. Please keep arguing against the arguments and critiquing the arguments. And so I appreciate that. And I don't want people to feel like they're walking on eggshells, you know what I mean? Like I want people to feel like they can say what they want. And so Sully Deogloria says that car needs a bra. Let's see. Trying to think of what the joke was because it doesn't have a battery, I'm confused. But Flash Gordon says thank you, thank God for the daylight. I was very thankful for the daylight. It was a true blessing. And I am also glad it was warm. In Denver today, it was like 50-something degrees. It was beautiful. I don't live in Denver. I live up in a town, a city nearby or up north. But, and hilarious video said, I don't think TikTok would be useful for moderate debate. I think you might be right. I just don't know how we'd use it yet. I'm open to it. But Tommy S, appreciate your compliment. Oh, I was like, we'll take that. Says you're what, 24? Thanks so much. It feels great to be young again, thinking of myself as 24. I just turned 34 on January 2nd.  Is it not crazy? Like don't feel, if you're like 64, like I'm not trying to like make it sound bad to get older. I like getting older. Every year though, around my birthday, it hits me a little bit more though. I'm like, oh my gosh, I'm not a kid. And I really enjoyed, like I enjoyed my childhood. Life has been good. And so I am just a little bit like, it's a little bit, you know, like, hits to my core when I have a birthday because I'm like realizing like, oh my goodness, I am not young anymore. Elseboghetto says, I tried to make a Patreon account and my silly bogus location details I put in got my account immediately suspended for suspicious activity. Here's some dosh for support in lieu of that. Thanks to Elseboghetto for your support. That does mean a lot, I really appreciate it. And sorry Patreon was hard on you. PayPal's been hard on us lately. I've got like a account limitation. They put a hold on my account. I can't use it, it's a bummer. And John Smith says, modernated debate, have there been any determinism versus free will debates on this channel? If not, I think it would be really interesting to watch. We know we haven't. I'm open to it maybe.  They'd have to be frankly pretty good because the topic's risky. That topic, just my gut tells me, I don't know if everybody would be excited to watch it. I could be wrong. I think some for sure would. But I'm open to it. It depends on who it was. We were originally, we're gonna have that topic with, we were talking to Brenton Langel who is in talks with rationality rules. We'd love to get rationality rules, that'd be an epic debate. And so that might happen. I have no idea. No promises. They're both busy guys. Alma Tedero says, 1151 PMA, PMAT. Where is the DNA for God? Let's see. I don't know what you're saying. I'm confused. But thanks for hanging out with us in for your chat. Let's see. Get real says Jen Jane.  Yeah, I would encourage everybody from any view. It's like, I know that sometimes things get tribalistic. I was like, it is, it is. I think that is what it is. I think that's something to resist though if we can to not be tribalistic even though it is. Like I had to admit it's hard, right? Because sometimes I see things in chat that are like really rude, whether it be in one direction or the other. And I'm like, you know, sometimes you get kind of irritated by it. But I would resist it, resist the dark side, resist the pole of the dark side. Hilarious video says I can't wait until MDD starts doing in-person debates again. I too can't wait for that. I've been thinking about it big time. I can't wait to do some traveling this summer and doing some live debates. I am seriously super excited for it. And I said, what's the takeaway? He says, is this the after chill? This is just me hanging out because I just like hanging out with you guys. Also given details on like that Kickstarter and stuff like that. And so King Crew says, hey bro, I just got here so we can restart the stream. Thank you, King Crew, it was really nice of you. Let's see. Let's see. Yeah, it's like pretty much every time. We did this like a month ago and it's kind of fun and to where now it's nice that I'm on break. So I've got way more time.  Doubt. I know I really am a little bit grumpy. Not always, but mostly when like people, they're just certain things I don't like. When I go to Valveline and they try to sell an air filter to me, I'm always like, I don't, no, please don't stop. I just had it replaced. And so I know they mean well, but I'm just always like, now I'm getting to the point where I go and I'd love an oil change and I don't need an air filter. I'm sorry, it's just that it's like, it's like I'm not, you know, I like to live dangerously with some dust in my air filter. Next, Adam Elphelia says, was my Q today too inappropriate? No, I'm seriously sorry that I missed your question. I actually no joke, this old dinosaur computer, which, yeah, you can say it says internet disconnected. So now the internet doesn't even work on it. It died right as I was about to ask your question. I'm not joking. That was like right at the end of the stream. And that's why it took me a long time to get back into the chat. And the, and the George said, said, have you ever considered having a group of volunteers to comb through both chats? I feel it would give you more focus on the debate while weeding out abusive cues and supertense. I am open to that. I also love it engaging with the chat. And so it's like, I genuinely do it because I do like kind of interacting with all of you. Like it's fun for me. And so it's like, I do see the pro though of not having my attention split, you know, if I'm focusing solely on the debate. But one thing too is like with time sections, like let's say openings, that doesn't require as much of my attention because I don't have to worry about people getting equal time, you know, or cutting each other off. But I agree with you in a lot of the debate. Most of ours are open discussion, so that makes sense. Let's see, Joshua Alex says, just take the compliment, James. I appreciate that, Joshua, that means a lot. I'm seriously humbled and I just appreciate it. And Jamie Russell says, James, you are inspiring. I mean that, you are a good example. It is contagious. That means a lot, Jamie Russell. Seriously, I'm super encouraged. I'm excited about the future. And you guys make it awesome, seriously. It really is. This channel is, we've got big things in the future. We're gonna do big things. I'm crazy, folks, believe me. Like we made this Kickstarter. We're going to make future Kickstarter's. We're going to put on bigger, better, more epic events all the time. Believe me, like I'm crazy. I'll do it, like I'll do the all-nighters. I'll stay up all night working on this stuff. Like if that's what it takes, I'm willing to do it. And so thanks, KingCruz says, smash that like button all. Appreciate it, that really does mean a lot as well. And, but yeah, I appreciate you guys being encouraging and positive because that just, I'm an idea man. And I thrive off enthusiasm. And so I do, I love that.   Christians, atheists, Hindus, Muslims, no matter who it is, we all want fair debates, right? I mean, why would you not want that? Everybody agrees on that. Another thing that I think we all agree on and that I love doing at this channel and we're gonna do it this Thursday. The charity streams where we give, let's say for example to starving children. Everybody agrees that that's a good thing. We all are excited to give to that. And we appreciate it when you guys do give to that. And so we just thank you guys so much for your support. And there are these things that absolutely we all agree on and that unite us and as a movement kind of compel us, move us forward to take these big leaps and bounds to do bigger, greater things. And we're going to, I mean, I'm telling you guys, it was like, remember like back in the day when it was like we didn't know nearly as much of what we were doing. I don't claim that we're great at it now, but I do claim we've learned a lot and we've grown a lot to where the streams like look a lot better, a lot sharper. We're excited about that. That's encouraging. I would say, man, I'm just pumped is that things are, things are looking optimistic. Bad Unnie said, thank you, Modern Day Debate. Skipping shower is worth it. L-O-L-K, bye you all. Thank you, Bad Unnie, for skipping that shower. We appreciate it. We're glad you hang over this. I'm dead serious. I hope it feels like a community. We hope you feel welcome and a part of it and that you're an actual part of the community. And so we do, it means a lot. You're really welcome here. And thanks for hanging out with us. And scroll and chat, I'm getting behind. Let's see. Newby says, the joke is probably about if the car was a girl, then a guy would give it a battery assault. Oh, I think I get it. I mean, I definitely get it. I did not assault that battery. But Jamie Russell says, you are a celebrity now. That's really nice of you. I'm definitely not. But I appreciate your kind words. And I'm honestly, I'm excited about the future of you guys. We're just getting started. We're a baby channel right now in terms of what we plan on doing. We're going to do big things, you guys. And you guys are the reason that it's happening. So I cannot say it enough. They said they were triggered because you didn't confirm to the image they had constructed of you in their mind. I don't know who that is. But that means a lot. I hope that everybody does feel welcome. I'm very serious about that. Jen, Jane, thrilled to have you here. We hope you're doing well, Jane. I don't know if I've seen you before. I'm wondering, I'm like, have we seen you before? Joe the Toe Rogan, I don't know if you've seen you either. But we hope you feel welcome. And so we do really appreciate you for real. Some of you I've seen before, like mass debater. I've seen you here before and we're glad you're back. Same thing with Jamie Russell here. Seen you here many a times along with Pepper Talks. And let's see. Am I pronouncing this right? Xeravok. Thanks for hanging out with us. We do appreciate it. And the Triangulator. Thanks for partying with us. Thrilled to have you here. Lily Aja. I have not said hello to you much. I'm sorry about that. Said, can you make Dave Langer a YouTube mod? They're already a Twitch mod and I'd appreciate their help on YouTube. Yes, where is Dave Langer? I will ignite him now. Blant, wherever he is, for real. If you're here, Dave Langer, let me know. Blastermaster80 said, dude, I'm turning 41 this year. I love my 30s, dude. Enjoy them. I am enjoying them. PhD. I love it. I'm enthusiastic about it. I'm excited about it. I'm glad I'm doing it. I love the challenge. It is a, it's a challenge.  I'm excited about it. Let's see. Phil Kayo says, I'd watch that. Watch what? What did I miss? But James Rosano says, no, James, we hope you were okay. Let's see. Jamie Russell says, where is the peak of Yoder Yonder Hill? I don't know what that means. Armed cadaver, good to see you again. Let's see. Said, I guess getting old is a privilege though, since not everyone gets to it. Yeah, that is actually true. There are great pros of getting older, you guys. One, the biggest thing, and this is huge to where I almost don't want to say it, because a person who's not as old might feel discouraged, but don't be discouraged. I mean, you've got good things coming, and you've got all sorts of pros as a young person, but life experience is a blessing. It's a good thing. It's something that you learn what works and what doesn't work in life. You learn how people work.  I was like such a space cadet, and that's just me. Some of you, you were like, at the age of 10, you were further along than I was when I was at the age of 24. So, Douting Thomas says, James, would you pray for my mother? Absolutely, Douting Thomas, thank you for asking. And so, I appreciate you guys asking. And by the way, for real, I'm totally serious about this. If there is anything I can do to make your day easier, please email me at moderndatabate at gmail.com.  Reach out to me, I'm serious about that, is I do try to scan emails as I go through, and I try to kind of comb through, is that I'm kind of like, I'm pretty trusting. So, I assume that you're not, I assume that you're genuine, and so please do feel free to email me at moderndatabate at gmail.com. And so, let's see. And you kind of in the chat as well, I'm not saying it has to be by email, but, Dave Langer says, Twitch was good again tonight, 10 people in the chat, and someone gifted a sub. Oh, well that's nice, thanks to, I don't know who it was, but I really appreciate them gifting a sub, that's super encouraging. And, I'm like getting closer to the screen, you can tell, because I must be getting old, my eyesight's not as good, but appreciate your hanging out with us, Jen, Jane, and NYC Finn, Rear, back again, so glad you are. Mobile Gamers Unite says, 30s are cool, I actually, hey, I've got no bad feelings about being in my 30s, some days like I said, it's a little bit like, whoa, I'm not young anymore, but there's a lot of great things about being older. Armed Cadever says, this channel reminds me a bit of unbelievable channel, but more middle road instead of Christian leading, not that I mind that for the channel, because the debates are good too, heard of it. I have, let me see if I can find this you guys, a long time ago, I am so encouraged, that you brought up, that you brought up Justin Briarley and Unbelievable, because this is like one of my favorite pictures in the world, let me show it to you guys. Let me see if I can find this, I've got to have it, it's gotta be handy. Oh, there it is, okay. Here, let me show you, this is from two years ago. Oh, wow, this is almost three years ago, so let me pull this up. I'm on the Kickstarter promo page, let me just block all these out so you can actually see the Chrome full screen. This was me in 2018, when I got to meet Justin Briarley. Justin looks surprised, but I was, this is before we started Modern Day Debate, so this is like after my master's and before the doctorate, I wanted to take time to travel, so this is actually in London, and I met Jonathan McClatchy there as well. Dr. Fuzrana was there, Hugh Ross was there, so a lot of the people we've had on Modern Day Debate, but yeah, Justin Briarley, really pleasant fellow, I love Justin, he was a really congenial, I just winsome guy, I really, I've always looked up to Justin, and yeah, absolutely, we to a good extent, have kind of tried to kind of emulate Justin Briarley's style and what Unbelievable has done, and so we are all about, yeah, like Unbelievable has great content and so much awesome. So yeah, I'd highly encourage you, if you want to check out awesome content, they absolutely have a lot of awesome content, and so let me jump back, and let's see, Mehdi says, how do you stay Christian after so many debates like this? Thanks for asking. I would encourage you though, you can learn a lot from this channel, I've learned a lot from this channel, I think everybody can learn a lot from this channel. I think that it should only be a piece of the puzzle, I highly encourage you to read the professional scholars, like these are not just Christians, these are atheists, these are agnostics, these are Jewish, these are, they're across the board, they're all walks of life. Read, if you read the peer reviewed literature in philosophy of religion, and you're like philosophy of religion, you mean religious people, no, a lot of these are written by atheists. Philosophy of religion means like, it's questions about religion and atheism and things like that, so philosophy of religion is, there's a lot more to it than just religion, there's also like, for example, the problem of evil would be considered an argument under the philosophy of religion, even though it is actually an argument for classical atheism. So the idea here is, that is what I think people should base most of their belief on, is the peer reviewed literature written by philosophers who do this for a living eight hours a day, and they've already, I mean, those are the experts. There's a lot of value in that, and so I am like kind of, sometimes I just, I get alarmed or not alarmed, but I'm a little bit where people say like, oh, you know what, like I've seen so many debates like, don't get me wrong, I learn things from at this channel all the time, but at the same time, we rarely host scholars, and even when we do, it's not like we can get into the weeds as much as you can, like reading a scholarly paper that they've written. And so that, for me, when I got my masters at Texas Tech in philosophy, philosophy more broadly, I read a lot of both atheist and Christian scholars, and that I think played a much bigger role in kind of cementing, you could say, there are things that I still change my views on, but it powerfully, it's weighted quite heavily in terms of influencing my beliefs. And the George said, something I've always wondered, are there any debates that you'd be interested in taking part of? I'm sure lots of us would love to see outside of the moderating role. Yes, I, let me, have you guys never seen my debate that's on this channel that was in-person? Cause I've had some with like, I've had some with T-Jump and Jared and others that are on the channel, but have you guys ever seen my in-person debate, which is, it was a total blast? Yeah, I feel bad cause we're going during these after shows, which is like, I'm just like, cause I linked them, or I didn't even link them, they never, they never sent them. But, oh wait, I think Smoky might have, there it is. So Smoky did ask me to send this. And so if you guys, whether you be agreeing or disagreeing with Smoky, now's your chance to either go encourage or harass him. I'm putting it in the chat. That is his after show. And so, but anyway, I give you a long, long answer to a short question. Thanks for your patience. And if I missed anybody in chat, I'm just trying to catch up. So sorry about that. Jamie Russell says, smash the like, we ought to see 1,000. And I am all for that. Let's go for it. Lily, I just says, please YouTube mod our Twitch mods, Dave Langer and Colin Lorenz, scroll up. Where is Colin? Yes. Thank you for saying that, Lily. I have added both now. So appreciate that. And let's see. Let's see. Oh, Belk. Thanks for being with us. I don't know if I've seen you here before, but we're happy you're here with us live. Christian Prince years. Thanks for being with us said, did you see that the tape of Trump and Pence urinating on each other for good luck? It is trending on Twitter. Oh, I'll have to check that out. I don't want to see that. But Flash Gordon says, when you get to 40, you look back at yourself and think the same as what you're saying to people in their 20s cringe. Wow, that's good to know. I believe it. I really do. What says good work, your stock is rising. Thanks. Appreciate that. That means a lot. Dan Larson Jr. Says, you're a very sincere guy. Thanks, Don. That means a lot. Seriously, I appreciate that. That really encourages me. And Alma Tadero says that. That's nice thing to do. Great. Thank you, friend. Al Cannon said, and now you are a psychologist. Not a psychologist yet. I'm working on the PhD. So let's see. I've done, defended my master's thesis. I'm preparing for comprehensive exams this spring. So yeah, that's gonna be heavy duty. And but then I'll have the dissertation, of course. So plenty of work to do. But yeah, I'm like partway through it. And it's, I love it though. I love the challenge. And if you guys tag me, forgive me if I miss anybody saying hello in the chat. Role View Detective says, James needs to do a meetup with Justin Cameron and Marlin from The Gospel Truth. That would be cool. Yeah, I like those guys a lot. And I'm excited about what they're doing. They've got great debates. Hasavocato says, now James streaming from the basement. Oh, you're right. I'm no longer in the basement. And Jamie Russell says, let's see. But yeah, we do hope you guys find the channel useful and invaluable. I hope it improves your life as much as I enjoy it. Because me being here right now, I don't like saying goodbye. I always say like five false goodbyes. Where I'm like, all right, I'm gonna go everybody in. And I'm like, oh, but anyway. Oh, and somebody said this in the chat is like, it's hard for me to leave. I just enjoy it. And so I hope you do too, guys. And gals, I don't know if you guys take that. But Blaster Master said, has your view on Christianity and religion changed at all in the past year? How is that affecting your views? Not to be honest, not too much. Like I said, I think I kind of answered it already where I said that the philosophy, like masters in philosophy at Texas Tech had a pretty big influence on my beliefs. And so, John Smith says, are these philosophy of religion papers or texts freely available? Or are they behind tuition or other paywalls? I would check on Google Scholar. Some of them will be available in PDFs. And some of them it won't, to be completely honest. I would do this though. If you go to Amazon, you get a textbook, a philosophy of religion textbook by Podgeman or Poemen, it could be pronounced. I just put it in the chat and I'll pin his name to the top of the chat. He's got a philosophy of religion textbooks that are great. You could probably get them for three bucks. And yeah, they're great. So I would highly encourage. So they're cheap and they've got a ton of these scholarly level papers. And let's see. Oh, Colin Lorenz says, I've not seen the in-person one. Let me show you guys this. This is so fun. August Berkshire versus James Coons. This is like maybe my favorite debate ever. It was a total blast. August is like, I love the guys. He's a great guy. We really enjoyed time with each other. I at least enjoyed the time with him. Let's see. Where is this debate? Let me try to find this for you guys in case you'd get a kick out of it. Berkshire. Whoa, no, are you serious? August? There it is. Oh, okay. That scared me. Cause this is like one of my favorite debates. And it's really nice. We did this as a throwback Thursday. And now it's about seven years old. So about seven years ago, this debate that I'm about to drop into the chat. Let me find this. This debate that I just dropped in the chat was like seven years ago. Dave Langer thinks you're kind words about the video with Skyler fiction. Always fun to chat with Skyler. Joshua Alex said, Jacob Milgram's commentary on Leviticus is amazing and I highly recommend the divine relativity by Harchsorn. Thank you. I appreciate that. I'm like behind on a trillion things to read and I can try to, so I'm behind, but I appreciate that. And then Christian Prinseer says, do you ever debate yourself? Yes, I just posted that one of me debating in person seven years ago. I don't do it as much anymore just because I love moderating and I love kind of doing the kind of modern day debate thing. But someday I probably end up getting back into it. Then said, some of the best scholars do that. It prepares them. Some of the best scholars do. Frankly, you're probably not a big percentage. Let's see, frankly, but yeah, some do. John Smith says, are these, oh, we answered that already. Thank you for that question. Lily Agis says, thanks for being awesome. Appreciate you. That means a lot, Lily, I appreciate that. And Adam Elbilia says, ha ha, still recovering debating T-Jump. Ha ha, I always have to tell T-Jump, don't tug on Superman's cape, T-Jump. I don't wanna have to throw you another beaten. I love him a boy, Tom, but sometimes you gotta take somebody to the woodshed. FFKKFF says, are you studying MDD chat for your PhD? Ha, no, that's funny. Everybody always asks that. I do like work psychology, so it's more like things like motivation and things like that. Silver Harlow says, sorry if I said anything negative this evening, but I do want to thank you for the pleasant evenings entertainment. No, you didn't. I didn't think you said anything bad at all.  That's encouraging. And let's see. Dave Langer says, you have more false endings than the last Lord of the Rings movie. That's true. Guilty is charged. And let's see. My boy, T-Jump. I love T-Jump, he's like my buddy. Honestly, yeah, T-Jump's a fun person to debate with. Any debate is fun. I feel like it's really, it takes you just kind of, you're so engaged with it. You kind of experience that flow where you forget time and where you are. CoffeeTroll says, I'm gonna go watch that. See you, James, in chat. Please do. I am super encouraged.  Wow. Producer Dane, let me, actually, you know, let me do that. This chat is trash. That was my impersonation of you, producer Dane. That's what you get for talking smack. Pray for me says, James is 43. Oh, come on. Just like killing me.  I just turned 34, but I do, I hear it all the time, I look older. But hey, that's all right. I don't mind. James be like, no, you hang up on us. That's kind of true. I just, I appreciate you guys. MasterOftik says, well, debating could help you prepare for when you have to defend your thesis. Oh yeah, that's true. Yeah, and I do think it actually has, no joke. More public speaking definitely helps. Like Matt said, like I pretty much don't really fear public speaking anymore. I really enjoy it. I do enjoy it. And so, you know, you get nervous in a good way, but it's not the way it used to be. And so, yes. But yeah, let me find it. And the George said, well, to be fair, the chat is kind of garbo, but it's part of the charm. Oh, geez. George is just trashing these people, man. Or let me actually impersonate him. Oh, well, to be fair, this chat is kind of garbo, but it's part of the charm. That's my impersonation of like a 50 year old, you know, kind of angry drunk man from New York City. Sorry, George said. That's you, but I'm kidding.  But yeah, thank you guys. Jude Holt said, James, if people want more, Kent Hoven. We're trying to set one up for this Wednesday, but Kent, I don't think he's gonna do it. I don't know if he's gonna show. Mark Grisdill's trying to get him to. I don't know if he's gonna show up. I doubt it. We've already basically scheduled another debate in that time. Be cool, though, I agree. King Cruz said, even though you're really 80, still love you, bro, happy New Year's. Happy New Year's to you as well, and it feels good to be 80. You should see me when I'm using my cane. I look like I'm 100. I just like lean over on that old cane, like it's my job. And let's see, I love you too, though, bro. Appreciate it. And yeah, and then George said, Shots fired. You're right, it does sound more. JMJW says, sounds more like Sylvester Stallone. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, a little bit, but I'm a huge Sylvester Stallone fan. I get a kick out of, I'm trying to think of, I should go, you guys. Oh, it's actually really late, but Demmil MP, thanks for your kind words. Appreciate it said thank you for hosting this channel. Seriously, that means a lot. I really do appreciate your encouragement. It means a lot, you guys. We are thrilled and pumped for the future, and so I want to say thanks so much, you guys. We hope, we will see you tomorrow as we do have a debate tomorrow night. It's going to be epic. We have a debate every night this week except Thursday night, and then we have one on, what is it? Let's see. Friday night, you guys. Yeah, you guessed it. It's this one right here, which I'm showing you on screen. I'm pumped, you guys. We have met our Kickstarter goal. We're at 119 pledgers, you guys. We can get to 150, I believe it. It's going to be a party this Friday in the live chat at 9 p.m. Eastern Standard. So it starts at the same time as tonight's debate. That's with Michael Schermer, the author of Skeptic Magazine, or the founder of Skeptic Magazine, an editor. And also, you've seen him on Joe Rogan Experience, for example. He's also been in classic epic debates, which is one with Kent Hovind from like 30 years ago. But yeah, so we were pumped. And so, highly encourage you guys. Jump in on that. We are pumped about it. And as mentioned, just three bucks. You might be like, oh, James, three bucks. Like, come on. Really why? But, want to encourage you on a couple things. One, like I said, it helps us take bigger risks with bigger honorariums for bigger speakers. Is that, that's a big deal, you guys, is that hey, you know, these guys, we recognize that they're highly desired. Dr. Michael Schermer in particular, in this case. I mean, New York Times bestseller, that's hard to top, right? And so, we're like, hey, we want to get these big speakers on, and that requires bigger honorariums. And that's something that it's like, we, a lot of people don't know. So for tonight's debate, like I, involved honorariums. And that's okay. Like, you know, the people we want to... There's only one person that was actually particularly paid tonight. But, the idea here is that, if we want to get these bigger debaters, it's bigger risks. I'm willing to risk, like for example, tonight, like, or a lot of debates, like I'm willing to risk 500 bucks, or like sometimes we'll have like a debate for 1,000 bucks. Like, and that's something that I'm like, yeah, you know, we'll be okay. Cause if we don't make up for it, if it's a loss financially speaking, we have other debates with like super chats and things like that that come in. But for a lot of these bigger debates, if you guys want to see like, for example, like big time people, like William Lane Craig, Jordan Peterson, Sam Harris, those are risks that it's like, it's harder to take those risks with these huge honorariums. And so that's why I would say folks, the Kickstarter strategy allows us to do bigger things, to take new risks. And it's something that I can't, for example, risk $5,000 on an honorarium. I can't risk, and some of these, you guys, I'm telling you, I'm not joking. Like a lot of people don't know that for example, like some of these bigger speakers, $20,000. That's something that as a Kickstarter project, we could do, I absolutely believe we could, especially when we, you know, cause we're, I think by this summer we'll have close to 50,000 subscribers. That gives us a lot of crowdfunding power to where we could pull off big things as a community. And so it's very doable, but it's something that I personally, like I can't risk like $5,000. That's a very real like fee. Like 5,000 would not be of like, whoa, like that's like, not that, it's frankly not even that high compared to how much some of these people would want. And so I know you might think, ah, it's like not worth it. I was like, well, if we're gonna have these big name people on and we can spread it so that it's only like three bucks a person, five bucks a person, something like that, maybe at most 10 bucks a person. Then it's like, and if they're in person, it makes it a lot more fun. It's like, well, you know, if we spread the, in this case, like this Friday's debate, only three bucks is not really much of a risk, right? Like to, and so it's like, that's something that allows us to do these bigger things and kind of try out new things. And so want to mention though, you might be like, well, okay, I get it. You know, it allows us to do bigger events, bigger headline events, main events, heavy weight speakers, stuff like that. You might be like, but you know what, James, here's what I'm still not sure about.  Well, this is three bucks. It's three bucks to watch it live for this Friday. And as I mentioned, we want to use the extra stretch goal that we're shooting for, the extra funds that come in as of right now, we want to use for Matt Dill Huntie in person, either this spring or summer. We want to use for making that trip and kind of covering those costs and doing it really well. And so if you enjoyed tonight's debate, I'm like, hey, like, if you want to see that, like that's a cool thing that I would think you would probably be stoked about, stoked about. And then also though, let me show you this. It's a piece of cake to sign in, you guys. You can just sign in with Facebook. You don't even have to create a Kickstarter account. You just sign in with Facebook every time. And then on the day of the debate, we send you a link to watch it live and bada bing, bada boom.  So it's a pretty, you know, pretty easy little trick there. But I want to say, thank you guys so much. I, we have pinned that Kickstarter to the top of the chat. And James W. MOA says, 5,000 you need to be washing cars with T-Jump for months. That's true. Man, I mean, look, you guys, I've been trying to tell you guys, look, this is the first car wash we did. And very, very embarrassing. You guys maybe haven't even seen this footage. Nasty guy, Steven Steen, he just said, he's like, I have to wear my Speedo if I'm going to do a car wash. And I was like, Hey, you know, I'm just going to wear an orange shirt. Look at my cool aviators over here on the right. And then Nasty guy, Tom Jump, he dressed up as a shirtless pirate. I don't understand him. You know, you know, Tom, he just, he goes his own way. Man, he's weird, but no, I'm cheesy. We love Tom. We really do. And so I want to say thank you though, you guys. I am pumped over the future. Got big stuff coming. So thank you guys. It's been a huge, tonight's event was honestly a blast. Really appreciate you guys for being here and supporting it and all your love. And so it's been awesome. And so let's see. Oh, that's a good point. Adam Elbilia says, it's not just risking money for you, James, but a lot of time and effort too. That's true. I mean, we do put a lot of time and effort. A lot of times people may not know how many emails I send out per day trying to organize debates. A lot of people, they just never even respond. And it's all right. We never feel entitled to have anybody on. So I never get mad if they don't respond. But yeah, there is a lot of time and effort that goes on behind the scenes. And Liliajah says, I'm gonna head out. Peace everyone. Take care and thanks to all the more positive chatters for keeping things mature and civil. Be good to each other. Get some rest. Thank you, Liliajah. Appreciate you. You're honestly a super important member of this community. We really appreciate you.  And Frosty Fire 187 says, take care, Liliajah. I agree. I agree, my friend. Tommy S, stoked to have you here with us. Thanks for partying with us. Anna Melvillea, pumped as always. Let's see. Nanology, stoked you are here. We appreciate you. And so Rocco Com's a sal, debating sal still. But yeah, we do appreciate you guys. So I wanna say, I'm so exhausted. You guys, I've got to rest. But wanna say thank you guys so much for all of your kindness.  Let us know. I think what we're gonna do is after this debate this Friday, we're gonna put out some polls to see who people really wanna have on. And so I'm stoked about it. And so that should be epic. We do appreciate it. And so I'm optimistic about the future. And then, I just love reading your guys' chats. You guys are funny. Nero says, thanks James. Thank you, Nero. I appreciate you hanging out with us. That means a lot. Alma Tadero says, thanks for running this channel. Thanks so much. That means a lot. I appreciate you guys. Blastermaster80 says, goodnight James. Sleep well. Thank you so much. And yes, we appreciate it. You guys, I appreciate you guys so much. So thank you guys. I hope you have a great rest of your Monday or Tuesday, no matter where you are. Keep sifting out the reasonable from the unreasonable. Thanks, guys, so much for your support. Your kindness, your love. Seriously, I love you guys. I hope you have a great night. Appreciate you. Take care. And I hope tonight's debate was a blast. I enjoyed it. It was a blast. It was a party. So thank you, guys.


Sergeant Preston of the Yukon! A king, hon your king! Gold, gold discovered in the Yukon, back to the days of the Gold Rush, and the adventures of Sergeant Preston and his wonder dog, Yukon King, as they meet the challenge of the Yukon in their relentless pursuit of lawbreakers. The Quaker Oats Company, makers of Quaker Pop Wheat and Quaker Pop Rice, the delicious cereal shot from guns, and the mutual broadcasting system present by special recording, Sergeant Preston of the Yukon! Our adventure will begin in just a moment. What do the initials G-O-C stand for? You'd better know because someday they may save your life. G-O-C stands for the Ground Observer Corps, the vital civilian arm of our nation's air defense system. Day and night, in thousands of observation posts and air defense building centers, your friends, your neighbors are standing guard, protecting you from a surprise enemy attack that could come at any moment. Our security, our very survival, ends on adequate warning. Our radar network is in constant operation, but only human eyes and ears can fill the gaps in our radar system. Do your part. Serve just a few spare hours a week. One million volunteers are desperately needed. Contact civil defense and join the Ground Observer Corps today. You're really needed. This message is brought to you as a public service. At first, Johnny Lake thought it was a storm that had waken him, but then he realized it was someone knocking on the door of the cabin. Just a second. He rolled out of his blanket, rose to his feet and hobbled dangerously to the door. Put me up for the night, Mr. Sure, come on in. Oh, the storm's getting worse. Yeah, you can't see your hands but your face. And there's some wood beside the stove. Want to talk to you in a few more chunks? Yeah. You live here? No. I look around, no friendship. Nobody knows me. Taking shelter from the storm, huh? Yeah. Oh, power. What's the matter with your leg? I explain my answer this afternoon. My partner went in the cell church to see if he could hire a dog team in a split. He was going to come back and pick me up, but then the blizzard started. I don't expect him before morning now. Is that nice? Yeah. Dawson McClendon. I'm Johnny Lee. My name's John, too. John Smith. Ahardin. You don't have any blankets? No, I expected to make cell church tonight myself. Well, I can spare a couple. Mike left me here. Here. Thanks a lot. It still works well, so we'll now freeze again. This stretch out only here. Yeah. See you in the morning. Yup. Johnny went to sleep once more, but an hour later, he wakened. The man who called himself John Smith was preparing to leave the cabin and Johnny's nap sack was slung over his shoulder. Hey, where do you think you're going? I'm on my way. Put on that nap sack. Try and make me. I have a gun here that'll make it. I have a gun, too, mister. The thief fired first, and his bullet plowed a furrow in Johnny's scalp, but Johnny's bullet traveled straight to the heart. The man who called himself John Smith dropped to the floor. Johnny Lake never saw it happen. He had fallen back on his blanket, unconscious. Another hour passed before Nick Garvin and Matt Bay stopped their team in front of the cabin. Oh, there ho! How are you, Huskies? Oh, there you are. Ho! We're in luck. Somebody's inside. Smoke coming from the stove pipe. There's a little something. I'm harnessing the dogs. There's some burrow in the snow right where they are. Come on. Let's get inside. Luck. The door's open a little. They don't have to bother laughing. He's sad. Yeah. The door's stuck. Well, push. Okay. Matt. I thought I was holding the door. Man. He's dead.  There's another one over here by the stove. She's been shot, too. Oh, here's another one. It's like the fight ended in a draw. Nah. This one's still alive. Recognizing? Never saw him before. A monster. Yeah, I know the dead man by the door. Huh? Jake Hunter. You're right. He killed a man up in Dawson, you know. Yeah, I heard they were looking for him. What's this match up? There's a name stenciled on it. John Lake. Now we have the whole story. Jake tries to steal the young guy's naps back, and they shoot at us. I mean, this time it couldn't be Jake instead of the other fellas.  Wait a minute. Let's see what's in the match up. Okay. It's a small poker gold, about $200. Well, we can use it. What's this? It looks like a bank book. It is. Northwest Bank and Scague Way. What? A balance is over $25,000. He could be worth more to us alive than dead. Let's see what we can do for him. And for ourselves. Johnny couldn't remember where he was. Worse than that, he couldn't seem to remember anything. A bearded man wearing the rough clothes of a cross-sector walked toward him, holding out a cup. Better take a drink of this. Thank you. There was another man standing beside the stove, watching him closely. Who are you? I'm Matt Begg. That's Nick Gervany. Lucky thing we stopped in here last night.  Did you? Don't you remember anything about what happened? No. He called me John. Good. That's your name, isn't it? I don't know. Let me handle it. Oh, my head wound. He may have lost his memory. I don't seem to remember anything. Here's an notebook and a pencil. What's your name? My name? Oh, yeah. Johnny... John... What's the rest of it? Right, John Lake. Signature's right. I'm John Lake. He's going to blame us. I said leave it to me. Johnny, you're in trouble. Huh? Oh, what? What's so to trouble? I know something's wrong with my head.  What? Oh, no. He was over there in the corner underneath that blanket. But how? Why? His name's Jake Hunter. A man who's well known in Dawson's. He was still alive when we got here, and he told us all about your fight. Fight? Jake wanted to spend the night in this cabin. For some reason or other, you didn't want him to.  He fired back, but you only got a scalpel in that one. So why should I object to his spending the night here? We don't know what your reason's were, but the fact is you murdered him. Are they still hanging? If you're ever caught... I'll have to give myself up. Do you want to hang? No. Then listen. Matt and I need money. We're willing to help you if you'll pay off. Do I have any money? Not much on you, about $200 in this coat. But you have over $25,000 on deposit in the bagway. Now I remember. You do? It's just the name, Skagley. I was there, wasn't I? Did you call someone there? I doubt it. Remember anything else, Johnny? About yourself? No, not just names. The Yukon, Dawson, McClondack? Well, that's where you are in the Yukon territory. On the trail to Dawson and the Klondack. Oh, my head didn't hurt. Johnny, you've got to get out of the Yukon territory, or you'll hang for murder. We'll continue our adventure in just a moment. 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In Selkirk, Mike Dennis, Johnny's partner, had met Sergeant Preston, and the sergeant had agreed to drive all in sick of Johnny. They left the town as soon as it was light and reached the cabin about 10 o'clock. Hooray! Hooray!  Something inside the cabin he doesn't like. Oh, but there's only Johnny. Stand aside while I open the door. I don't see any way. Johnny! The king would have been working as a loose lead, trotted ahead of his master into the cabin and straight to the corner where the dead man lay covered by a blanket. Sergeant, hold it back. Johnny! This isn't your partner. The man called Jake Hunter. Wanted for murder, dead or alive. He's dead? Yeah. The town's been spared the expense of the trial. But what could have happened here? Where's Johnny? He couldn't have walked far. Sergeant, not on that ankle. He didn't have to sell, Kirk. We'd have met him on the trail. Could he have shot this man? Seems likely, doesn't it? He did. It was probably in self-defense. Jake was a cold-blooded killer. Might have been other people who took shelter here last night. Oh, so possible. I'll take a look outside. No one will have covered up any trace. There may be something. Yes, Mike. What? I don't see anything. Close to the cabin here. It hollers in the snow. Drift? No, they're too regularly spaced. Six of them. Six dogs. Those hollers are where they burred in the snow. And someone with a dog team was here, and Johnny much or less with them. But why would Johnny go anywhere when he knew I'd be coming back here? We'll find that out. We learned what happened last night. How's that? Find Johnny. Find whoever else is here. Oh, there's no trace. King can pick up the scent of the teams and where they burred. Follow the dogs and we'll find them in. Give me a hand if you can. With any luck, the sergeant and Mike might have caught up with Garvin, Beggs and Johnny the first day, but they met with many delays that took them four days to reach Whitehorse. But along the route they had learned that Johnny was traveling with two men and they obtained descriptions of them. At Whitehorse, Jake Hunter's body was left at the Northwest Mounted Post and the sergeant and Mike pushed down the White Pass. There they learned that Johnny, Garvin and Beggs had crossed the border the previous afternoon. The sergeant asked for permission to continue on into American territory. Of course, sergeant. Even though Hunter was wanted for murder, the details of the shooting must be cleared up. But there's no way that you can force these men that you've been following to answer your questions in stag ways. There's a United States Marshal there and now, sir. He'll are important to be sent back if we can find them. But you're not in uniform. No, sir. These clothes are better suited to the trail this time of year. I realize, sergeant, but I was only thinking of how you'd identify yourself as a Marshal. I'd better give you a letter. Well, that'll be fine, sir. You may start at once. Thank you, Inspector. So, the sergeant and Mike headed down the trail to the boom town of Skagway, the port which had become famous all over the world as the gateway to the Yukon. And at the very moment they were crossing the border, Johnny Lake was closing his account in Northwest Bank. Nick Garvin and Matt Beggs escorted him back to his hotel room. Sorry. How about paying off, Johnny? No. What do you mean, no? We've kept our bargain. We've got you here. We want our $10,000. You haven't kept your bargain yet. You promised to find passage for me back to the state. Why, you little... I have a gun, Matt, and if you find the rough stuff, I'll use it. I'm tired and I'm weak. I still need your help.  Sure, that's only reasonable, Johnny. We'll arrange for your passage.  It's done. But both the men knew that passage would be difficult to arrange. The Portland bell had failed the day before, and an old schooner was the only ship anchored in the harbor. Nick and Matt discussed the situation at one of the waterfront cafes. Why don't we just take the money and pull of it because even if Johnny's forgotten everything about his past life he still remembers how to pull a trigger. If he can out-shoot Jake Hunter, he's better than you and me. We'll just wait until he's asleep some time and take the dinner away from him. He'll keep his door locked from now on. What about the schooner? Nothing going. That's how it keeps him going anyway. How do you know? I know the skipper. Captain Wilkes. There he is. Over at the bar. Where do you know him from? First of all... Specialty. Mugglin. Matt, he's our man. We'll cut him in. Well, he isn't going anywhere. His whole crew jumped ship and took off for the climb down to hire another crew. He offered enough money. Matt, we'd sail with him. He'd get rid of Johnny somewhere at sea and the whole 25,000 would be ours. No, Johnny. That's a sailing ship. No matter how much money he offered, Wilkes couldn't find a crew to handle a wind jamb. Not Mr. Maybe we wouldn't have to sail. Yes. I mean, once we got Johnny aboard, it should be easy. The three of us, the captain and you and me, Johnny couldn't be watching all of us all the time. In just one blow with the back of the head. And overboard. It's finished. They saw us on the shore. At night, we'll take him aboard tonight. All the captain wants. Yeah. Hey, Wilkes. Come over here. As the sergeant presented his letter to the United States Marchman's Gagway, Mike Dennis inquired for Johnny at the Northwest Bank. He met the sergeant afterwards in the lobby of the mansion house. He drew out every cent of money he had in the bank, Sergeant. Over 25,000 dollars. That's a great deal of money. Well, we both sold our answers down to Texas before we came up here. Well, it certainly looks as if Johnny's running away. Why? It'd be logical if he thought he committed murder. Listen, Sergeant, Johnny's quick on the draw, but he never draws first. One of the men who was with him may have killed Jake. Johnny may feel that he's involved, but there's no point in guessing we must find him. Any chance of King picking up the trail of the team? In the town of over 25,000? We'd be sure lucky if he did. It's up to us now. At least we know what the men look like. I start asking for them here. Nick and Matt and Johnny weren't staying at the mansion house. There were over 100 hotels in Gagway at that time. The sergeant and Mike split up and began a systematic search, but they had found nothing and they met for supper that evening. After they had eaten, they strolled along the waterfront discussing their next move. If there were any steamers from the states tied up here, I'd have contacted them first. What about that ship out in the harbor? Well, that's Junior. He's been anchored there for over two weeks. Crew deserted, soul-saving. Is someone rowing out there? Yes. What are you getting so excited about, King? Barking at the rowboat. The one that's heading for the sooner. Sniffing at the dock. Why can't it pick up the team down here? As a sailor leaning against that piling at the head? This person would only pose to ask questions. King had thought of a scent. The scent of the three men the sergeant had been following all the way from Selkirk. And though King had actually been told to follow a dog team, these were men who had been traveling with that team. There was something which should be called the sergeant's attention. Bark! Bark! King did his best by growling and barking at the rowboat, which had nearly reached the schooner. Good evening. Oh, hi, D-Mess. Do you happen to notice the men in that rowboat? The thingy? Yeah, I noticed them. Well, was one of them a Captain Wilks and three blokes I never saw before? Sometimes they're the Captain's brothers. Was one of them called with yellow hair? They're all wrapped up in pockets. One of them ever bandaged on his forehead? Come to think about it, yeah. And he walked with a limp? Maybe. I figured he'd had a whole cargo and was listing a little of the Starboard. Oh. You know where we can get a boat around here? I have a motor launch. A rowboat would do this better. I have one. But I advise you to keep away from that schooner. A couple of husky gents like you you're apt to be Shanghai. A Captain Wilks is a tough customer. Oh, we might as well find out just how tough he is. Well, don't say I didn't warn you. My rowboat's tied up at the war. Thanks. Come on. We'll continue our adventure in just a moment. Watch the premiere of Sergeant Preston of the Yukon on television tomorrow.  They're brand-new stories packed with adventure mystery, romance, bravery, everything the whole family liked. Now you can actually see Sergeant Preston fighting hand-to-hand with desperadoes of the Yukon. Actually, see his dog King leap at gold-hungry killers. You'll see magnificent Yukon scenery unfold before your eyes, rushing rapid, and later, terrifying avalanches and snow slides. It's something new and different in television, brought to you on a coast-to-coast network by all the Quaker cereals, Quaker puff wheat and rice, Quaker oats, mother's oats, Moffat shredded wheat, and Quaker pacco ten. Remember, it's tomorrow evening Thursday, and every Thursday thereafter, the exciting premiere of Sergeant Preston of the Yukon on television. Check your newspaper for the time and the station nearest you. Now to continue. A great black cloud wipes out the light of the moon as Captain Wilk tied up to the rope ladder that hung down from the deck of the schooner. Matt climbed it first, followed by Nick, Johnny, and the Captain. Johnny wondered at the silence in the ship. The ship seemed to be deserted. I'm glad we don't see him go to bed of break and the crews enjoy your last night as you are. Your quarters are out, gentlemen. It's understood that I'm to have a cabin of myself. That's right. Here we are down this companion way. You and Matt go first, Nick. Whatever you say, Johnny. Oh, Johnny started down the companion way. The Captain picked up a belaying to him from the deck and brought it down hard on the back of the young Texan captain. Oh, Captain, I've got it. So what did he use, Captain? He didn't use it. No, but he will be when we hoist him over the side. Get the money belt real quick. Take a look, Captain. Good enough. Good riddance. Johnny was carried up the companion way and across the deck. The moon broke through the clock. All right, all together now. Heave over the side. Look, small boat running, sir. Whoever's in it saw what we did. Well, do you see McClary? The story is that he fell overboard. Oh, there, fell overboard. There's a man jumping into the water after him. What if he finds him? Who would lose his own life? He has him. He's pulling him back to the boat, what do we do now? We'll have him drive aboard. All right, man. I'll show you lies. Lie under his shoulders and we'll hoist him aboard. Right? That's you. I want to win after him. You better come aboard, too, and get into some dry clothes. You'll freeze to death. Let's have that lying. Here it comes. Johnny was hoisted aboard the scooter. But a few minutes later, the sergeant and Mike climbed the rope ladder. King was left behind in the bowed rowboat and he hauled at the moon. The sergeant and Mike found Johnny and the captain's cabin, and slept down in the boat. All right, give him some brandy. He'll be all right in a minute. Let his clothes off, Mike. Some blankets, Captain. You should be thinking of yourself. I'm all right. The blankets, please. You didn't have a chance to swallow much water. He'll be all right. Yeah. He's coming, too. He'll be perfectly all right in a minute. I remember, boys, now that a few two men will come to the galley with me, I'll give you some hot coffee. We're staying right here, Johnny. Up there, I know him. I'm his partner. Johnny. Mike, you finally got back. What? It was a man called John Smith. He tried to steal my nap tank. He shot at me and I shot at him. I think I killed him. Who are all these people? I don't know where you are. Isn't this the cabin where you're living? You left the cabin a week ago with these two men. I never saw them before. I knew John. He wiped out when he was shot and doesn't remember anything that happened since then. Did he call you, Sergeant? Yes, I'm Sergeant Kesson, Northwestern Army Police. Well, let me explain about Johnny. The way you said, Sergeant, when we found him, he couldn't remember anything about himself and we thought he might have friends in Stagway. We ought to take him. Oh, no, that wasn't the way it was. Now that's all coming back. You told me I'd murdered that man. You said you'd take me to Dawson and get me past the states of our page of $10,000. Johnny, where's the money you do out of the bank this morning? In my money belt. You aren't wearing a money belt. Well, then they've got it. Now we're starting down the steps. The companion wait. The captain was behind me. He hit me. They took your money belt until you were overboard. I had the belt when I come on board. Now that you have the whole story, what are you going to do about it? Since you have us covered, there isn't much we can do. But I'd advise you to return Johnny's money. Not achieved. We decided not to do that. Well, $25,000 is quite a haul. Yeah, and it's all right here. I suppose you'll not hesitate to commit murder to keep it. No, Sergeant. I intend to use bullets this time instead of a belaying pen. Oh. But all the evidence you need, Marshall? I'm not interested in standing in the doorway and back of you, Captain. He's been listening to your plans for the future. So, it's the Marshall. Yes, and I have a few plans for the future myself. Drop that gun, Captain. You're under arrest. Drop it around the future. That's better. I've never seen a more welcome sight than you walking into this cabin, Marshall. How'd you happen to come out here? I was making a patrol of the waterfront. I heard the man overboard cry, and his dog started to howl. The attempted robbery... That's right. Give me that money belt. Here you are, Johnny. Thanks, Mike. The attempted robbery and the attempted murder were in American territory, Marshall, for these are your business. Now, if you'll excuse me, I'll do my best to stop King Hollings. Go right ahead, Sergeant. We've got your guns in there. King, stop it. I apologize for leaving you down there, boy, but you can see for yourself I'm perfectly safe. Everything's fine, fellow. This case is closed. Sergeant Preston will return in just a moment with a word about our next exciting adventure. Your musical treat of the day waits for you throughout the week on Mutual. 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Well, that's good news, yeah. Yes. I want you to go to Big Elk. You'll be able to close in on the seas and get evidence enough to put them behind bars for a long time. Where is the height up? Baker will tell you that when you see him. I'll start the Big Elk at once, sir. Neither the inspector nor Sergeant Preston knows that Baker cannot tell where the stolen fur is hidden for Baker has been killed. And when King follows the trail of the killers, the mighty dog leads this master into a trap from which there seems to be no escape. Be sure to hear this next exciting adventure. Seeing Sergeant Preston of the Yukon Adventures have brought you every Monday through Friday at this time by the Quaker Roads Company, makers of Quaker Pop Week and Quaker Pop Right, the delicious cereal shot from gun by special recording in cooperation with the Mutual Broadcasting System. They are copyrighted feature by Sergeant Preston of the Yukon Incorporated. Created by George W. 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We could pick any part of the Broncos here who were trying to snap a four game losing streak and say they played well. But I think the defense more than any piece of the puzzle for Denver is what was most impressive tonight. Creating takeaways, scoring touchdowns, you know, in a lot of ways they just set the tone and game almost over on the third play of the game with the interception return for the touchdown and just an outstanding job. And I think that they expected that type of performance. I don't think you come into a game in the NFL expecting to win 45-10. But defensively knowing what they have and what they were facing in the Arizona Cardinals, the struggles that they've had in the offensive line, a young quarterback, them not being able to run the ball. I think there were a lot of things there where Vaughn Miller, when he came out and said what he said, I think he fully believed that they would back that up and they certainly did. In case you don't know what he said, he said we are going to go there and we are going to kick their butts. Not exactly what he said, but they came in here and they kicked their butts. And that's the end of the story. 45-10, that's the final so long.


This is the VOA Special English Technology Report. Students from Arizona State University won top honors this spring at the Imagine Cup finals in the United States. Microsoft Corporation organizes the competition every year. The Imagine Cup asks students to use their imaginations and their love of technology to solve some of the world's biggest problems. More than 100,000 students in the United States alone registered for the event this year. 22 teams were chosen to take part in the finals in Seattle, Washington. Team Flash Food won first place in the Imagine Cup's software design competition. The team developed a computer software application and website to help speed food donations from restaurants, hotels and farmers markets to needy families. Eric Lenhart is the leader of Team Flash Food. He says food insecurity affects a lot of people, especially in large population centers. He notes that some people do not know where their next meal is coming from. His team's winning mobile application and website is designed for operators of restaurants. They can enter information about the food they would like to donate. Then, volunteer drivers go to pick up the donations and take them to those in need. Richard Philly is director of the engineering projects in community service program at Arizona State. Team Flash Food is one of the program's 37 projects. Richard Philly says winning the Imagine Cup's software design category is a major honor. But he says it is not what energizes his students. He says they want to change the world and make a difference. Microsoft is celebrating the 10th year of the Imagine Cup. Mark Hinsbow is a vice president with the company. He says the competition has changed a lot since it first began. Years ago, it mainly involved computer science and almost all of the students had a computer science education. Mark Hinsbow says the students who compete now have different areas of expertise. For example, Team Flash Food had a student who studied biomedical engineering. Another student studied marketing and sustainability. Yet another studied material science and engineering. For VOA Special English, I'm Alex Villareal. You can find more stories about the Imagine Cup at voaspecialenglish.com.