Everybody's getting quiet, so I guess I have to start. Okay. It's on the mic. It's on the mic, that's what I'm told. Yeah, okay. So, first of all I want to welcome everybody here. I really, this is amazing. I really appreciate that you came. My one worry was that nobody would show up. So, that didn't happen. No. Yeah, you're here. And I want to thank Deb Rice and the Heyburners, the band for coming over the bells. And some of my friends from Middlebury also have come over. And a lot of my old friends from Montilier, who I'm so happy to see again, and some people that I'm just glad you're here. So, I would like to tell the story behind this book. And I wrote out what I wanted to say. So, I wouldn't go off on any tangents. Not that I ever go off on any tangents. Right? Never. So, working on books. One thing I've learned is that a project takes as long as it takes. Some books don't take much time. Some books take a lot of time. This one took 38 years. So, the story behind the story.  So, in 1974, after finishing college and painting houses for six months, I set off on what was then known as the Overland trip. With my younger brother and an old friend, I traveled from England and were up through Turkey, Iran, and Afghanistan into Pakistan and India. When we wound our way down from the high central Asian terrain of Afghanistan through the badlands in the Khyber Pass, we crossed the Pakistan border and came into the Peshawar Valley. I was really struck by the sudden green difference of that valley. The Peshawar is the gateway into southern Asia, into Pakistan and India, and it's one of the world's oldest cities. And for many centuries, it was a crossroads of trade, empire, religions, and peoples. Half a year later, when my money ran out, I went back home and got into newspaper work. But I always wanted to go back east and write about it. So, at the end of the Iranian hostage crisis in 1981, and this is when the story of the story begins, I had a job, editing a weekly paper, and I carried a portable Alamedi typewriter exactly like this one. This, I was really excited about because it has a metal plate on the bottom so I could sit on a hotel bed and write. So this was the laptop, this was my first laptop.  Up the long transition zone between central and southern Asia, I flew into the Persian Gulf. And all of British steamship from Dubai to Karachi, bottom of Pakistan, took trains back to Peshawar, and sometime later took buses and trucks across the border and then further up into Muslim Kashmir and Buddhist Ladakh. During the hostage crisis, the students in Tehran had called the U.S. The Great Satan, and I had the idea that the Muslim world was going to become our new global apricity. We hardly knew anything about it, nor them about us. So, notebook after notebook, I wrote down every conversation. I kept maps and news clippings and carbon copies of all the letters I typed. Among the Muslim places where I spent time, the most open and engaging by far was Peshawar, where I hung out with a bunch of young guys in a little ancient neighborhood in the old city called Karipura Bazaar. I even read with my friends to a wedding. And my whole town at time in Peshawar, Muslim culture, is very conservative. I never spoke to a female. Not even at the wedding. But the guys were great, and I learned a lot about them and their lives. I also learned a lot more about a little-known story that really fascinated me. At the beginning of the common era, the Peshawar Valley was home to a civilization called Gandara. Gandara was wealthy from trade along the silk route that Alexander the Great and his soldiers had opened up. It was at the eastern end of Alexander's town of conquest, and for about 300 years after, Greek culture had a big presence there. In the first century AD, Greek art blended with Indian religion in this valley to create what became the first global symbol of the inner search for truth. That's the image of the Buddha, which was created in this place and spread around the world from the Peshawar Valley. I was amazed that this story isn't better known, and I wanted to find a way to tell it. After two years in Asia, I came home and sent about writing my book as a non-fiction journey story. I called it The Heart of the Bazaar, B-A-Z-A-A-R. And I worked on it for 10 years. This is it. This was the original non-fiction book. It was rejected 75 times. That's true. That's true. It's important to hydrate these things. Thank you. There were a lot of reasons why. I was trying to do an awful lot as a young writer, and an adventure in the Muslim world wasn't seen to have a lot of sales potential at that time. Finally, after two successive good agents had given up, I did too. I was living here in my period covering Vermont from the Boston Globe. I had a broken-up marriage and a young child to support, and I was building a freelance writing business, which I have had now for 30 years. And I started writing fiction for young readers. I did eight books for the Choose Your Own Adventure series. Anybody remember that? Thank you very much. And three realistic novels for Ferris Dawson to rule in New York. One of those was The Revealers, which really did go somewhere. I never forgot my Muslim-Asian adventure.  After 9-11, I realized that the best part of my book, the whole second half in Peshawar, was set in the time and place where the extremist movement that would grow into al-Qaeda and then ISIS was first coming together as part of the rebellion against the Soviet Union's occupation of Afghanistan next door. I thought, wait a minute, I might have something here. So I rewrote my not-fiction book, reframed it and focused it on Peshawar, but my agent Gale said, I don't know, it's kind of old. Why don't you turn it into a young adult novel? She says, you're good at those. I thought that was a terrible idea. This is a pretty adult subject. But Gale's idea kind of percolated. I started thinking, what if questions, as I often do? What if there was an American teenager whose history professor, Dan, is trying to finish a book saying with a Pakistani colleague that would tell the story of Qandara to the world. What if his dad drags the boy, say his name is Luke, took a shower over the Christmas breaks so his son can understand. What if Luke is really pissed off about this? So instead of learning about the history, he gets sucked into the dangerous extremism that is starting to build in the bizzars of the old city. This is Christmas week 1984. What if Luke makes friends with a young Afghan refugee who has seen what violent extremism can do in his country? And what if Luke develops a really strong connection to the teenage daughter of his father's co-author and she to him, but in the Pashtun culture of Eastern Afghanistan and Northwest Pakistan, even being seen together would put her, not him, in very grave danger. I did a whole lot of research about women in Islam, about the shower, most of them in London, the growth of al-Qaeda, about the music of Pakistan's Sufi shrines and how it would soon blend with rock and roll. By luck, I got a contract in 2007 to spend a month back in Afghanistan traveling around the country interviewing people and writing about a short-lived American effort to support the country's struggling new democracy. That helped a lot. I did a whole lot of new interviews, whole lot of observations, cultures basically the same. And after that, I wrote a novel called Street of Storytellers. And that is actually the name Street of Storytellers of Peshawar's Central Bazaar. The book was rejected. After a couple years, I wrote a better version. It was rejected. I kept working and working on it and it'll be advice of two Vermont teacher friends. I cut the novel drastically, plopped Luke and his dad, writing Peshawar on page one, and now the thing clicked. I knew I had something. I had finally found this story I've been searching for all these years. Gail sent it out and most of the big houses didn't even bother to reject it. Nothing. My agent was finally ready to give up for real. But then I found Rootstock Publishing. Right here in Montpelier. Rootstock is different. It's a high quality and selected publishing house, but it's a hybrid. A new model where the publisher is professional, but the author supports the cost of production. Thinking about this, I realized first I could have a whole lot more leverage in making this book as good as it could be than I had ever had before in 15 previous books with traditional houses. I also realized this book could be a community production. Then I could collaborate on putting it together with several people all here in Montpelier with whom I have long term positive relationships and who are all I knew world class practitioners of the book making arts. My friend Depp Dwyer, who's here tonight who is one of the most sought after fiction editors working today, generously agreed to edit Steven Storytellers. To Lukem, the graphic designer and political cartoonist who came to Vermont from Forbes magazine and within my shared office for years here in town created the maps and gave them the old time storybook feel that I was looking for. Deb can't be here tonight because he's at a family wedding, but he did a great job. Mason Singer of Laughing Bear Associates who is here tonight designed the best looking book and cover I have ever had hands down. And finally, I could work with Steven McArthur who is the Rootstock publisher and who I've known for many years and who I knew to be a very creative and successful marketer and producer of music recordings through his multi-cultural media. So we had a team and now we have a book. I want to read a bit from Steven Storytellers, but first I want to say that the rest of this story is really up to you. Rootstock is a small community-based publisher and this book which came out last week is up against competition from the big traditional houses which are almost all part of multinational corporations with enormous resources. One way this can build an audience is if people who read it and like it tell other people they do. So thank you for being here and welcome to my story. I thought about what to read and I've read them in the beginning, the first chapter of the book before, but I decided to put this deep into the novel. This is a part of the chapter that is kind of an interlude off the main flow of the story, except that as it turns out it's not. Everything that happens here is going to turn out to be very important in the story. But all you really need to know is that Luke, the American teenager, is the narrator. Yusuf is his friend, an Afghan refugee about Luke's age who was a waiter in his hotel. They have bonded and become good friends over a shared love for the music of Bob Marley. Luke is a huge rock and roll fan. He's not a musician, but he knows a lot about music and he loves music. He's brought a walkman and a small case with his favorite cassettes to the shower and he has discovered local music on a visit with Yusuf to music night at a Sufi shrine. Sufi shrines in Pakistan are traditional centers of tolerance where they often celebrate poetry and music. And since the time of this story they've been violently targeted and often bound by religious extremists. At the shrine where he saw instruments he'd never seen or heard before Luke was very drawn to the traditional two-ended hand drum called the Dolak. He has borrowed a Dolak and he's had one less anodic with a drummer named Waseel that he met at the shrine. Waseel has invited Luke to come meet local musicians at the shower's music street called Dabgari Bazaar. But Luke has been warned not to leave his hotel. The first group of young jihadis that has gathered around Osama bin Laden in the shower feels that Luke has betrayed them and they are not happy with him. Yusuf and Luke don't know what if anything they're planning to do. So I'm going to start partway into this chapter which is called Butterfly. That dinner Yusuf got alarmed when I told him Waseel had invited me to come tonight to the music street and to bring my cassettes. As the professors talked about their project Yusuf stood behind them frowning and shaking his head at me. He backed up into the shadows by the kitchen door and waved at me to come over. I went. That boy warned you not to leave the hotel Yusuf whispered. You told me this. But I got invited to hang out with musicians, man. Think about it. It's dark out. We take a rickshaw. The traffic swallows us up. No worries. Anyway, why should I care when Rashi said him and his friends are losers? Maybe? Maybe not. But we must be smart. Okay, sure. Smart. You got any ideas how? He was thinking. Then he said, maybe I do. That's why when we left my room a little later with my dad's typewriter clacking next door, Yusuf was wearing jeans and a t-shirt like he did sometimes when he was off work. But I had on his rolled edges cap his brown vest and a long-tailed tan pair of his shellmark coming his pajamas. I feel ridiculous, as I said as we came down the stairs and looked like a posh tune.  It's not that. It just isn't me. Those guys will laugh at me. No. You are showing respect. You like our music. You appreciate our culture. Yeah, but his face will set. If we go to Dabgari Bazaar, we go like this. Or we don't go. We're going. I have my cassettes, Walkman, and drums in my backpack. I got invited. You may as well look like a posh tune in Yusuf's set in the truck. You were just as stubborn. When we got to the music bazaar, Yusuf stayed downstairs looking up and down the street as Wasi brought me up some narrow stairs to the second floor room. It was lit by a single yellowish bulb. One wall had newspaper pages stuck up in it like super cheap wallpaper. Another had two beat-up dolocks hanging from the wall from nails. Four or five guys who'd been sitting on the floor all stood up and Wasi introduced me all around. Everyone was smiling and nodding as we shook hands. One guy had that violin-like instrument, which Wasi said was a rababa. Up close, it had tuning keys along the side and at the end of the neck, the guy plucked it like a guitar, but the body had a tight-stretched skin that gave it the deep banjo sound. Someone else had that box accordion, which they said was a harmonium. Now, the man with the thing like a clarinet ducked into the room. I asked him, what is that? It was a clarinet! Oh, right. I have said you wished to me to learn the dolock, Wasi said. They'd want to make music with you, but all I can do is make a thup. When this was translated, everyone laughed and discussed this, much discussion with gestures at me, smiling, waving at my clothes, discussing. What are they saying? That you were in America and you appreciate our culture. They think this is very good, Wasi said, and it's okay, you don't have to play the drum. He reached behind and brought out a tambourine. It was a regular tambourine with a skin, a wooden hoop, how about this? Oh, well, don't worry, I'll help you. Just strike it here against the bottom of your head when I show you. Okay? Okay. The guys agree. Tambourine is good. Very good. Much encouragement. So the harmonium guy got a drone going, one long wheezy note. Then the rub-out guy picked out something slow and sharp. He played that and played it going faster as Wasi came in with the dolock. The harmonium wheezing up and down like we were floating on it. The drum and the rub-out synced up and that was nice. Doom-ba-ka-ta, pa-ka-pa-ka, doom-ba-ka-ta, pa-ka-pa-ka. Wasi was looking at me and nodding on what? As I listened, I could hear with the first beat on his drum. Doom-ba-ka-ta, pa-ka-pa-ka, doom-ba-ka-ta, pa-ka-pa-ka. I tried to hit that first beat on my tambourine but missed it. He kept nodding on that beat and then I had it. I had it. Then lost it but he nodded. Still nodded and the music was good. I can't say I understood it. The guys kind of repeated the same bit of a tune over and over but they also changed it, jammed on it. The clarinet is there too and the rhythm was right there. When I'd lose it, I'd look at Wasi and he'd hit him nodding at it right on the spot. Doom-ba-ka-ta, pa-ka-pa-ka, doom-ba-ka-ta, pa-ka-pa-ka. And I was part of it. As they swelled and repeated and jammed, I kept that one simple beat. Then it was like I stopped thinking. My sound was just part of it. A player smiled at me as we played and I was part of it. It was music and we were making it.  We were in that yellow room halfway around the world with newspaper on the wall and the rhythm inside different music and we were ringing the music off everything, ringing it together. It was great. When it was over, I don't know how long we played, I kind of lost track but when it finally ended, everyone was happy. They clapped me on the back, shook my hand. You have played well with us, he said. Thanks, man. You kept me in there. Only a little. You found the beat. With all drumming, you must keep that first beat. If you know where that is, you can't get lost. This is a good lesson for you, okay? He stuck out his hand. We shook. Now, he said, I have told these guys about your music. He said something in Pashto and one of the guys who'd been squeezed against the wall listening brought out a cassette player. The cheap kind shaped like a flat shoe box. He said it in front of Wasi. Okay, I said, and fished the red case out of the backpack. Much discussion of this and even more as I zipped it open and the guy saw the 12 cassettes. Much discussion. Fingers pointing. Excitement. What should I play? It is your choice, Wasi. He said, any music we'd like to hear. I've been thinking about this. I considered Bruce born in the USA but then I thought, you know what to play. You know. So I slipped in Bob's and had him dreaded. I'd set it up earlier. Side one song, too. No woman, no cry. They swayed as they listened and Wasi was pocketing along. See, he said to me, down be up be, down be up be. I heard it and then the clarinet was improvising along. Very pretty. Everyone listening closely. And when the song was done and I'd switched it off, they started playing. Not exactly the same, but Wasi had the reggae feel already of the rhythm. Then the harmonium did its groaning and the robot guy was pretty closely picking out the melody. They were messing with it, changing it, making it more like something of theirs. The jam didn't last long, but it was very cool. Play another. So I started born in the USA. This didn't catch on so well. I wanted them to love it, but the big rock sound didn't come through the little speaker. When Bruce sang born in the USA, they understood that and they liked it. Really, they pointed to me. USA! But when Bruce got to the part, I hadn't thought about this. When he was sent to kill the yellow man, Wasi got puzzled. Look. The song didn't sound right anyway. No bass at all. I switched it off. Okay. He said, very nice. It's usually played really loud. It doesn't sound right on this. Yes. The clarinet guy clapped me on the back. He said, USA! It was still early evening when the rickshaw brought me and Yusuf to Carintura Bazaar. Nasim's shop was open. I was so amped up about the music, no way that I want to go right home. Yusuf wasn't thrilled, but he was okay with us coming here. I think he felt safer with his friends. The tea making place was open. So were more shops. Each one a narrow-lighted opening in the nighttime murk. No street lights in this old, old neighborhood. Hello, my friends! Nasim said as he called for tea. As word got around that we were there, some other guys came. I never knew how word flashed around the presowers so fast. I'm going to skip a little part where one of the boys tells his story of trying four different times and failing each time to sneak into Germany for work. A Pakistani passport has no value, he said. US, British, German? If we can get these, they have values, but ours has none. I didn't know that. It is true. In the lane a beggar trudged up. He had no chin, couldn't close his mouth. Yusuf gave him a coin and he trudged on. As we sat quiet and thoughtful now, I watched the man who sold vegetables across the lane. He sat cross-legged on a ledge, a foot or so above the street. He had a military buzz cut and wore an old soldier's sweater.  The guy grimaced and waved the smoke away from his stuff, which I figured he needed to sell to feed his family. For a second, I wondered how it was to be that guy. The boys in the shop were laughing about another story. When they settled down, they said, Yusuf, how big is your family? The other boys fell quiet. My family? Well, yeah. You said your dad works at the hotel, right? Yes, he cooks. And your mom? Is she around? No. He said no more. Do you have brothers? Sisters? I have a sister, Yusuf said. He wasn't looking at me. Nobody was looking at me. Or at him. Oh. I didn't know how to ask more. Or if I should. Ben Nasim said, tell him. Yusuf didn't respond. He was your friend, Nasim said. You should tell him. Yusuf gazed at me thoughtfully for a time. Then he said, my family lived in Kabul. My sister was little, only five. After the Russians came, there was a lot of trouble. Many men, thousands of men, were taken to prison. Most never came out. My father had worked for an American family, diplomats as a cook. So when the communists took over and the family left, you got word that he was in danger of being arrested. We just left. In the middle of the night, we took three suitcases for my father and my mother and me to carry. A friend of my father's who had a taxi drove us outside Kabul. We walked all the rest of that night and all the rest on the next day and the next and the next. We walked for more than a week. What did you eat? Where did you sleep? Well, we couldn't. Where we couldn't. To Afghans and travelers and guests, same as here. Sometimes it was dangerous for people to help us, but every time someone could, they did. We only had to sleep outdoors for two nights. The second night that we had to do that, we were too tired. We slept by the road and in the morning we were hungry.  We were looking along the roadside for sticks, dried grass, anything to burn. There was a farm field. It was abandoned because of the fighting.  My sister, she didn't know not to walk into a field. Why not walk into a field? Mines. The Russians have put thousands of mines in the fields, in the villages, every place they cannot control. You have to stay right on the road. Couldn't there be mines in the road? He shrugged. The Russians used the roads too. So mostly they mined the places where only Afghans go. Fields, villages, hillsides. There was a kind of mine called a butterfly. They dropped from helicopters and they have little wings so they float down spinning, you sort of said. They are green and small made of plastic. The plastic is soft and if you squeeze it, the mine explodes. A lot of kids see them and think they have something to play with. When my mother looked around for my sister, she saw she was in a field and was bending to pick up something. My mother screamed but my sister didn't know what was wrong. My mother ran. She got there and reached toward it just as my sister started to play with the thing. The guys in the shop said nothing. I finally said, what happened? Yusuf's mouth was tight. My mother covered most of my sister with her body but my sister's hands were torn to pieces. A cold shudder went through me. What about your mom? It was a small mine but she was cut up terribly by the the metal, the bits. Shrapnel, I said. Pieces of the mine. Shrapnel, yes. Yusuf sat again slowly. Shrapnel. What happened then? He shrugged. It was wartime in the countryside. No hospitals, no doctors. We cleaned their wounds the best we could. We tore up clothing from our suitcases and made bandages. Then my father and I put them on our backs. We left everything behind. My father carried my mother, I carried my sister. It was very hard. They were in too much pain. Their bandages were soaked in blood then so were we.  A freight truck stopped for us. They gave us water and my father gave the money. We rode to the border through the pass in the back underneath the sacks of grain. It was very dirty. My mother's wounds got infected. We got them to the shower and the hospital there. They took my sister's hands. They took her hands?  Yusuf drew the blade of one hand across his other wrist. They said otherwise she would die. Well, what about your mom? The infection was too bad. In the hospital she died. Well, God Yusuf, how's your sister? What can she do? She cannot do. She only sits. My father does the cooking, the cleaning, everything. I help her. I work, bring home a little money, do some cleaning, wash the dishes. We feed my sister. Most men will never do these things. My sister, she sits. She is broken. I think she will never fix. Can't she get like artificial hands or something? He shrugged. Real refugees. I shivered. No clue what to say. Yusuf looked down into his teeth. Then back up. Maybe I don't see these things the same as all Pashtun men, he said. Some say what my father and I do at home is women's work, that we should never do it. But if we don't, who does? We can't afford to pay someone, so who? Women are for cooking the meat, not to meat. Said a man in the street who stopped at the counter to listen. Naseem said something sharp to him. The man shrugged, moved on. Quiet. We were quiet. Do you think it's wrong the way women are treated here, I asked? I was a little scared the guys might get angry. But they didn't. They waited for Yusuf to answer and listened when he did. I do think this is something that must change. He said, when I clean the dishes after I finish, I look at my hands. They don't become women's hands. They are just hands. Again, I looked at the others. They were quiet. Naseem nodded. That was all. I'm sorry, I said. Okay. They were all thoughtful. After a bit, Imtiaz spoke.  Huh? I like to study language, he said. In our languages, all the words for mother have M. In Pashto, we say more. In Urdu, the main Pakistani language, they say Amir. In Hindi, the biggest language in India, they say Magi. In Punjabi, it's Mai. In Farsi, the language of India, they say Maadar. In German, they say Mutter, I said. In French, it isn't there, said Naseem. How do you know this, Imtiaz asked? I know this, Naseem said. I would like to go to France. See, Imtiaz said they all have M. I guess they do, I said. It is not the same with father. No? No. It is not the same. The guys felt quiet again. I found myself watching the tea shop boys, as they ran in and out of the place across the lane, bringing cups and trays all around the bazaar. That never changes much, does it, the tea shop? No, said Naseem. Next to it, see the bakery? That's where they make the naan. What's a naan? It is our bread, our bread, flat bread. Everyone eats it, just watch. So I did. The bakery was a wood platform in which the baker sat cross-legged. The oven below him had a brick front, and when they opened its metal door at street level to stoke the fire, I could see bright orange flames in there. The baker seemed like a cheerful character. His two young sons mixed and moistened the dough, shaped it into lumps and worked those into flat bubbles. With a long-handled wood paddle, the father picked up each oval and dipped it downward through an opening in his platform, patting it on the oven's inner wall. Then he'd stick a long metal pick with a hooked end into the oven and pull up a new baked naan spinning on the hook. Another son would wrap the steaming flat bread in newspaper and put it out for sale. Every naan went out hot. Naseem called across the lane and the boy brought one. Naseem unwrapped the brown-edged bread and held it out with his fingers. Just tear off some, he said. It was beautiful to eat the naan, crusty outside and inside, moist and delicious, soft and warm. As we passed it and shared it around, I felt pretty sure it had been just this way, that people had been eating this bread just this way since the time of Gandhara, the time of Jesus Christ, the time when Karyan Purimazar was young. I don't know if you know what I'm saying here, but what we thought we'd do, first I want to say are there any questions or anything that anybody would like to comment or anything that I could respond to? Yes, Mr. Baginski. Oh, wait, I got to say something I forgot to say. I would like to wish happy birthday to Judy Peacock who is 60 years old today, who has come all the way from Denver, Colorado, just for this event. And her sister, I'm sorry. I'm really sorry. You're going to be therapy now. I'm very happy to meet her. I'm sorry, Mike, but go ahead. Sir, your book, The Revealers, was something I used in my class in many schools around the country. How do you see this as being useful to teachers in middle school, young people in high school? There's a story here to tell. How do you see that working out? I don't know that teachers will want to use it, but we did put together a curriculum resource guide with your help. You helped me as a recently retired teacher. You knew what teachers might want to use if they worked with this book. And I will say that if you don't know this, I have a young adult novel called The Revealers that has been used by middle schools, mostly middle schools, all over the country. Like, I've estimated over 1,000 middle schools who have worked with this book. And so in the course of visiting a lot of these schools, I had a chance to talk with a lot of teachers. And especially I've learned at the seventh, eighth, even ninth grade levels, there are an awful lot of courses on world cultures. There are courses on comparative religions. And there are courses on contemporary issues. So this is a story that, from a personal point of view, goes into the rise of extremism in a culture and how that affects families and communities. It deals with two major religions, Islam and Buddhism. It deals with the particular rise of radical, violent terrorism in the world. And I think those are issues that a lot of people want to learn more about and find a way to have their kids have a window into that's personal and engaging. So this is a story told by an American kid who, by the way, does not want to be there. He's mad that his dad has dragged him over to the shower.  And instead, he gets involved with these guys in the city and gets drawn into this extremist movement that's just beginning to gather. So I hope it'll be useful to the teachers. It's a bit more of a risk in that way than the reveal which deals with bullying. So it's sort of a natural connection with a lot of schools. But I've had a lot of teachers tell me, oh my gosh, we need a story like this where the story opens up some of these issues. There's so much in the news today. Hi, Sally. Thanks for coming. So many people I'm glad to see here that I haven't seen for a long time. Did you have a question, Barbara? I do. I was wondering, when you wrote the adult version, whose point of view did you tell that story was and what was the main difference that you incorporated to make it into young adult? Well, my original book, the nonfiction book, was my point of view. It was a personal journey story. My idea was I'm as an American, a naive young American reporter, I'm going to stick myself into the Muslim world and I'm just going to write down everything. And I tried to learn a little bit before I left, but I was pretty much a naive young American reporter with a typewriter and notebooks.  And so I had my own, all this material and there's some stuff in the Street of Storytellers that's lifted exactly from what really happened to me. For example, the conversation about the words for mother happened word for word in that shop in the night time among these guys in the shower that all the words for mother began with him. I didn't make that up. So there's a fair number of things in this book that were lifted or adapted from what I experienced or heard in the conversation I had or the sights that I saw in the shower. But the idea of it making it into a novel from a young American voice perspective, I mean it's a very different story, you know, but that was, you know, there are a number of things in the novel. There's one thing where Luke is walking down the street, he's trying to follow Yusuf who's taking him somewhere and he's trying to keep Yusuf's head in sight. Bazaar is very crowded with men, all men. And everybody, a lot of people want to meet him and talk to him and it's happened to me. And as he walks by a guy squatting by the street frying fish and a big sort of an iron wok. The guy says, hello, what is your country? And he says, America.  And that happened to me exactly. I mean, I would write what we had after I had these conversations and that's why you do the book too. Anybody else? Yes, yes, Phil. You must wish from time to time that you could go back to Pakistan and that, would you be able to find any of these? When I had a chance in 2007 to go back to Afghanistan, I had a project I spent a month in the country. Eastern Afghanistan and North West Pakistan are all Pashtun, so it's the same culture. So that was an opportunity to go back and observe and listen to people and take a lot of new notes. Whether I could go back to Peshawar, I've heard different reports. I did meet a young man. I had a client last year, what do you call it? IT company in South Burlington and the CEO of the company had an exchange student. And he said, why do you have an exchange student this year? He's from Pakistan. I said, where in Pakistan? He goes, some city called Peshawar. I said, I need to meet this kid. I need to talk to this kid. And I did. I took him off for a coffee. He's a nice young man. He said, yeah, you can come to Peshawar. It's great. We have a lot of fun. We read about the violence and extremism and so forth. I would go back. I think I would. I would like to try to go back. I would go back. If I got the chance. It would be fun to go back to that same bizarre and see where my friends are. It was a while ago, but I don't think people move around quite as much in that world as they do it here. And they might remember me. You know? I don't stand out now. I might remember me. It's possible. Yeah. Yes, Ian.  Like your struggles. You write it for a time of day. We talked about the amount of time to write this book.  Can you sort of talk about that? In terms of writing, I actually, in my business, I earn a living as a freelance writer, so whatever projects I'm working on, I have to work on or I don't get paid. So what I do if I'm working on a book like this is I do it for the first couple hours in the morning when things are fresh and I try to not be distracted and not answer email and so forth. And that's my freshest time and I work on that and I get busy with other stuff. In terms of the inspiration for this, a lot of it was reading this all and literally I started a bankers box filled with all the stuff that I brought back from Asia.  I remember when I got into San Francisco airport, I'd been gone for two years. I'm going for customs and the customs agent, he says, well what's this? I said, well this is a seal and he goes, no it's okay you don't have to open it. I said, no really I have to show somebody.  So that was a lot of the inspiration I had to read these notebooks again for years and this old material and then when I got to go back to Afghanistan that helped a lot because I was back in that world. Of course Afghanistan in 2007 now there was the remnants of the Soviet the battle fight against the Soviet were everywhere and this was in the midst of the war with the Taliban but I didn't really get into the war zones. But a lot of Afghanistan is fairly peaceful if you're careful so it was inspiring to me to see that go back there. Thank you. Can you tell us just a little bit of the story of our search along with Mason Singer for the right color? Yeah, yeah, well this was interesting. Where are you Mason? There he is, I see him hiding back there. So Mason is a fantastic designer and he really takes a lot of time and we had a whole, you had half your office at one point with festooned with pinned up different mock-ups for this cover and we had all kinds of different ideas and Mason searched out all these different images and we would come and think about them. We had it down to two options if I remember right, this one which the story of this is that, I don't know if you can see this this is the cover, this is a proof of the book so a little bit different finish but there it is. So Mason took a photograph that he had taken as a young man in India of this boy up against a lattice and then he put a different image behind it and it was sort of sunset scene and we liked that, the other image we had was more of a street scene in Pakistan and it was interesting because it showed the motorcycle rickshaw that is a big part of the story and it was intriguing, it was sort of pulled you into it. We liked both of them, we weren't sure so I had a school visit in New Hampshire a small school I'd been to before and I asked this teacher if I could talk to a group of good readers and she said, oh I have my seventh grade and so we did that as part of my day and I brought the two covers and I showed the I showed the cover that had the street scene and they went that's really interesting, I think that's really interesting and then I showed them this and they went oooh and they all said that's that's the cover and this one young woman seventh grader said about the street scene, she said I don't think that was interesting but it wouldn't make me want to open up the book I want to know what was that but it wouldn't make me think I got to go there but she said this one makes me think about the way that I feel because he looks like a kid who's on the outside of the world kind of looking through and she said that's how a lot of my friends and I feel and I thought yeah that's true, that's how you often feel as an adolescent I had written this book for young adults and you kind of felt like real to adults as well which I hope you're right about but I was thinking about my usual YA sixth, seventh, eighth, ninth grade audience that became our focus group and that was they made the choice really yes, hi Sarah this is my sister well I know you for a while a little while so I remember when you spent two years in India in Nepal and then you came back and worked as an editor and your interest was in going back to Pakistan to study the Indus River Valley as an ancient trade group very first time I went east was after college and then I came back in my 20s and went to Newspaper and I said in the talk briefly I wanted to go back there and I developed this idea I called it the scene between Central and Southern Asia so the Indus River Valley is in Pakistan and it's basically the connecting if the Indian subcontinent at some prehistoric time floated into what's now Central Asia that was the connecting scene yeah so you studied for whatever before you made the money to go back was it hard to let go of when you wrote this book it was very different obviously your focus was different but was it hard to let go of what you had planned for so long well it was hard to let go of the nonfiction book because I worked on it for 10 years and it really was rejected like 75 times and they had two different agents both of whom were very good but who couldn't sell it the book kept getting telescope down the steam ship I took from Dubai to Karachi by time in Pakistan then it went up into Kashmir and India and then up into Ladakh which is a Buddhist Tibet so it was a big long geographic and I kept cutting it down and telescoping it down because it was just too much I was trying to do too much so it was a learning experience but in the end I had to let go of the book because nobody could sell it really did you take it out did you take it out? I wouldn't want to I think this is this is a much better book than that one what happened was if you think about it 20 years of writing fixing for young adults I developed some skills and a better idea of how to tell a story I think one of the problems with the original one was the story itself was not strong of what needed it together was not cohesive enough I tried to do too much I was a young writer and I had this whole big James Mitchell idea it was too much to pull off I should have started small and built out but no I'm going to start big and then keep paring away so our idea was that we would offer the book and if you would like a copy we can sell it to you and if you would like me to sign it I'm happy to sign it and then when we're done with that part then we'll crank up the band and push the seats back and see if we can have a little bit of fun I think we're at that stage what's that history of the do-lock you probably explained it in a book the do-lock is a two-ended ham drum it's kind of cylindrical and it's about this big and it often hangs from a cord you play it at both ends one end is wider than the other and this is higher and so you play it like this it's kind of a cool instrument I have one but I never really got to play it it's a very different type of music but it's a cool sound if you're ever interested one thing that in the process of making this book I didn't tell this part of the story but I knew that music was a big part of the book I knew Luke was a big music fan but I didn't really know how that was going to work and I was stuck and I was looking for advice about the Sufi music shrine culture it was a huge part of life in Pakistan and I found a guy at Harvard named Ali Asani who's a professor of Indo-Muslim studies there and I said can I come talk to you and he said sure so I went and visited him and I told him where I was stuck and what I was trying to do and that music was a big part of the story but I really didn't understand how that was going to work out and he said okay there's a song called Sufi Rock he said in the 90s in Pakistan one particular band of young rock and roll guys, Pakistanis blended traditional Sufi music which basically prays him to saints that are very much part of life in Pakistan with rock and roll and they created a new form of music called Sufi Rock which is enormously popular in the Muslim world and he said you have to go on YouTube and type in Coke Studio Pakistan and Coke Studio is a program that is millions upon millions of viewers in Pakistan and it's now there's a Coke Studio in India, there's a Coke Studio in Nigeria but it started in Pakistan so what it is is sponsored by Coca-Cola it's a live broadcast in a studio of musicians playing a song and they'll play a song that's usually a traditional song but with rock and roll instruments and what they often do is they'll take the traditional male shrine singers kind of little guys with long beards and stuff and a female pop star uncovered, no hijab and usually kind of glamorous they're pop stars and they'll put them together and they'll sing the song that's a duet now this is really radical in Pakistan really radical so I went home and typed Coke Studio and I became totally I used to take my laptop around to my musician friends and say you gotta watch this, you gotta watch this and one of them said our bass player friend Sam a little bit of a cynic says are you turning weird what is this? and I said no you gotta watch this and at the end of the song he goes okay that was good because the music it's a live broadcast of these guys with this unusual twist they're very often pale male together and if you're interested type in Coke Studio Pakistan the ones that are most popular there's a couple of them that have like 20 million views and they're really just amazing so that was a big breakthrough for me and so this story kind of presages the birth of Sufi Rock it's 1984 Sufi Rock came up in the 90s but Luke kind of that scene where the guys start to pick up on American or Jamaican music sort of presages what would happen in Pakistan over the years to come and that's not the end of the music part of the story by the way well what do you think should we move on?


Well, my dear students, the course is Labour Policy Pakistan and we are studying the topic child labour. We are studying this topic child labour in the context of industrial revolution. My dear students, with the onset of the industrial revolution in Britain in the late 18th century, there was a rapid increase in the industrial exploitation of labour, including child labour. Dear students, industrial cities such as Birmingham, Manchester and Liverpool rapidly grew from small villages into large cities and improving child mortality rates. In the industrial revolution, the adult labourers were exploited, but the child labourers were also exploited a lot, and the children were exploited a lot too. Many towns and cities were destroyed and the only reason for this was the industrial revolution. My dear students, these cities drew in the population that was rapidly growing due to increased agriculture output. This process was replicated in another industrializing country. My dear students, you will be enlightened to know that the Victorian era in particular became notorious for the conditions under which children were employed. The Victorian era in the history of England is the worst of all in terms of child labour. My dear students, the children who were four years old were also exploited for work. They were exploited in coal mines, because the coal mines that used to be in Surungye used to be used by older people, and the children were exploited to do coal transportation within the mines. You see, coal mines are very dangerous mines for health, and every other health disaster in coal mines children would crawl through tunnels to narrow and low for adults. Children also worked as aren't boys, crossing sweepers, shoe blacks or selling my matches, flowers and other cheap goods. My dear students, some children undertook work as apprentices to respectable trades, such as building or as domestic servants. My dear students, there were over 120,000 domestic servants in London in the mid-18th century. Building hours were long, builders worked 64 hours a week in the summer and 52 hours in winter, while my dear students, servants worked 80 hours a week. My dear students, child labour played a very important role in industrial revolution from its very outset. Children brought about by economic hardship, the children of the poor were expected to contribute to their family income. In the 19th century, Great Britain, one-third of poor families were without a breadwinner as a result of death or abandonment, obliging many children to work from a young age. Industrial revolution did not take place as such. In England and Scotland, in 1788, two-thirds of the workers in 143 water-powered cotton mills were described as children. The author Charles Dickinson worked at the age of 12 in the blacking factory with his family in debtor's prison. My dear students, throughout the second half of the 19th century, child labour began to decline in industrialized society due to regulation and economic factors because of the growth of trade unions. The regulation of child labour began from the earliest days of the industrial revolution. The first act to regulate child labour in Britain was passed in 1803 and this was the beginning of the civilisation as regards the child labour. Thank you very much. Hope you have understood the topic.


What's going on, everyone? Sam here with late in sports cards. We've been 23. Top's tier one baseball hobby, 12 box case number eight. Pick your team style. Redophilus for names of our teams on Dresa with the Blue Jays, Andrew F. Pirates, David O. Rangers Cubs. Derek M. Athletics, George S. Guardians. Greg M. with the Reds, Dodgers, Mets, Astros, and Padres. Jeff T. Twins Nats, Jordan N. with the Rockies. Martin Z. Orioles Cardinals. Matthew C. Marlins Rays. Michael C. Angels. Michael A. Brewers. Mike A. with the Braves. Mike E. Tigers. Poshon H. White Sox. Robert V. Philly's Royals. Robert F. Giants. Shigunori Yu. Red Sox. Terry B. Diamondbacks. Thomas B. Yanks in T. Huang with the Mariners. So good luck, everybody. Tigers, Astros, Brewers, A's, Pirates, Padres. Six to go. Six baseball spots left tonight. Last baseball spots of the night. Baseball spots tonight. Thank you all. Let's get after it. Here we go. Again, we are like 20 minutes or so behind, not the biggest of deals in the world. We'll make it up a little bit. For sure, when we get to the flux, when we get all that stuff, you know it's nice about what's it called now, too, prison draft. We have a non-NBA spot. So we have 30 spots, there's one combo, and then there's one non-NBA spot. So we don't got to random anything. All right, Rhys Hoskins to 400. Going to the Phills. That's Philly's. Nice one here, tier one talent to 99, Adrian Beltre. 3 of 99, going to the Rangers. Congrats, Tejas. And Javier Asad, 299, Rookie Otto for the Cubbies. Congrats, Chicago. That's one there. Lucas, G. Alito to 400. Nice one there. Cubbs really do always hit. Nice one here, George, to 149, J-Ram. Bam, bam, J-Ram. 55 out of 149. Mark, what up, buddy? Mark, how we doing? And then to 299, Rookie Otto, Sean Bouchard. Going to the Rockies. Congrats, Rocks. Congrats, Rocks. Hashtag, oh, it's no longer hashtag Rocktober anymore. Almost baseball time. Carlos Correa to 400 for the Twins. Game used Bat. Very nice, very nice. Nice one for the Cardinals, to 149. Ozzie Smith, the Wizard. Ozzie Smith. We've got to 299. Will Brennan, Rookie Otto for the Guardians. Congrats, Cleveland, Will Brennan. 299, 97 out of 299, Will Brennan. All right, Trey Mancini to 400. Nice one there on the back card for the Cubbies. And to 25, 1 to 25, the Machine, DJ LaMahieu, going to the Yanks. Congrats, Yanks. Seth with the Tigers. And number 11, Russell G with the Brew Crew, and 9 down to 5. Yes, I believe there is. Yes, Carl. Max Maia to 299 for the Marlins, Rookie Otto. 22 tops update hangers. SSP, Hunting, J-Rod, Bobby.  Mark Mulder to 249, going to the A's. This guy right here, he blew it. William Arias to 400 for the Dodgers. He blew it. So 149 is David Wright. 68 at 149, David Wright. And for the Cubs, Hayden Wiesniewski to 299. Nice one there for the Cubbies. All right, let's see it, Greg. Stop messing around, let's see it, Greg. Wade Boggs to 400. Ooh, nice, Magda's next one. And it'll be going to Greg, 210. James Outman, 8 of 10 on the Silver Ink, Rookie Otto. Congrats on that, buddy. There we go, Greg, very nice. This card is far out, man, far out, man. 8 of 10. I'm good, brother, how you doing? And 299, Rookie Otto of Cody Thomas, going to the A's. Chillin', chillin'. Yeah, no, they didn't give him a great pen on that one, or a great Sharpie. Probably better. Jim Rice to 400. This one there for the Red Sox. And Cabrion Hayes to 400. Game used, there you go, Ghost. Nice one there, buddy. Key, Brian Hayes, game used, Joycey. John W, with the Tigers in number nine. We're down to four. Four to go, everybody. In the last tier one break. That is going to be 2, 299, Asturie Ruiz, Rookie Otto. Victor F, with a Star Wars spot, down to nine to go in the first Star Wars, everybody. Is that a moose? What's this guy talking about? To 25, Bronzink, Willie Randolph. Nice one there, Yanks. That's cool, it's not an auto you see super, super often. Astros, A's, Pirates, and Padres, available in the next one, everybody. Got to ban him, IRL. Permanent from, that's the beard noise that you made with the moose. So, 400, Larry Walker for the Rockies. Rookie Otto to 249, Oswald Paraza. Oswald Paraza for the Yanks. Rookie Otto. And 299, Jorge Polanco, it's your one talent auto for the, yeah, I kind of agree with you on that, Andy. That's not a bad idea. That's not a bad idea at all. Take back Willie Randolph as a manager, honestly. He's better than what we have now. God, Chris Bryant to 400. Greg, please do. Love everything. Cal Ripken to 200 for the Orioles. I just want Baltimore. Nelson V with the Padres in nine. Furhane with the Astros in nine. We're down to two to go now. Two to go in number nine. Greg, send the four lot of little goons up here. A's and Pirates, everybody. The goons, it's 299. Nolan Jones, Rookie Otto for the Rockies to, again, 299. Yeah, I do love the red ink and diamond icons. I agree with you on that, Andy. That is awesome. Nolan Jones and Graham Ashcraft, nine of 25, going to the Reds. Bronze, ink, Otto. Rookie Otto for the Reds. Probably does wear the same size cement shoes I do. That's what I'm talking about. There we go. That's what I'm talking about. Yeah, use the ones that were intended for me and just put them on Jake. There you go. I like that idea. Manny Machado to 400 for the Padres. Here we go, Pods. San Diego Fathers. Two, 25 is going to be Eddie Murray on the Bronze Ink. Nice one there. Congrats, Orioles. Bronze Ink, Eddie Murray. And then a Levon Soto to 299.  Like it's noticeably smudge. I'll send an empty box and wrapper with the angels just in case. Levon Soto, Rookie Otto, 299. Don't know if there's anything that they can do, but I'd rather give you one just to be safe than not. So we'll watch in movies. Yeah, there you go. I'm going to Jake died in the storm with a slurp juice. Yeah. Whoa. That just shows you what we're doing. That was so funny. We just there go. B, B, B, B... What do you got, Mike? All right, you've got to see something, Mike. Come on, baby. Add the Richmond to 400, Rookie Jersey. Nice one there for the Orioles. Really cool one here is a Barry Larkin. That is going to be four of 75. Jersey Auto for the Reds, that's sincey. Shane C with the athletics down to just one to go in the last tier one. Everybody just the pirates available. and to 299 Nate Eaton for the Royals. We are Eaton right now. No. We're not. Does it look like Rudy? Jake said he's gonna send us pizza. Well, for that reason, I'm still waiting for the last one. It's Will Myers the 400? This next one's kinda dope, dude. This next one's really sweet. Going to Greg, how about a Rocket Auto to 25 Roger Clemens? Nice one there. Six at 25, Roger Clemens on the bronze ink. Michael A, selling us out with the pirates. Let's go. Seth with the raise in to tier one number 11. Thank you guys. We're sold out on the next three breaks now. And Jeter down. So 299, go into the Nationals. Rookie Auto, congrats Washington, Washington. All right, quick recap here, everybody. We had, not you, Greg? My buggin', you didn't have the Red Sox? I might be buggin' on that one. All right, that's not going to Greg. Sorry, Greg, let's go into the, going to Shigunori. Will Myers, Adley Rushman, Manny Machado, Cal Ripken, Chris Bryant, Larry Walker, Jim Rice, Brian Hayes, Wade Bugs, Julio Urias, DJ LeMahue, Trey Mancini, Carlos Correa, Lucas Giolito, and Rhys Hoskins. Two J's coming to me, two Katers tonight on me. CJ, Jeter Towns, Roger Clemens, Nate Eaton, Barry Larkin, Levon Soto, Eddie Murray, Graham Ashcraft, Nolan Jones, Jorge Polanco, Oswald Braza, Willie Randolph, Asturi Ruiz, Cody Thomas, Hayden Wisnesky, David Wright, Marth Mulder, Max Meyer, Will Brennan, Ozzie Smith, Jose Ramirez, Sean Bouchard, Adrian Beltre, Javier Assad, James Outman to 10, Silver and Cota. That'll do it for the break, everybody. Thanks again for the fill, up next, number nine.


Trump week enough to make you depressed Okay So that's Tim Appichella, Cynthia Sinclair, and me, Jay Fidel here on Think Tech Talking as we do at 11 every Friday on Trump week So this is a week under the shadow of what happened in El Paso and Dayton and the reaction of our Uncoothed president To those events and it is also defined by the continuing trade war with China among other things where it appears that we are getting closer to blows with China and China is going to turn off all its agricultural imports from the United States and Things seem to be unraveling and I guess the question I would ask Ultimately in this show is are they unraveling to the point where that will affect Popularity and likelihood of re-election. But first Tim Let's talk about all the titles that we came up with in trying to in trying to take a look at what happened this week morning Thank you for having me Yeah, let's talk about all the titles because there were so many that we had to You know discount because we had to find the right one and I think we did find the right one and that is centered around Donald Trump's hate and He could try to deny his hate as much as he wishes that he is on record when he first became a candidate in 2015 all the way to Rally where someone yelled out the crowd to shoot him and he smirked and he smiled and he said only in the panhandle Can you say things like that? Well, apparently not. Apparently in all of Texas this kind of attitude Seems to rain and it's it's it's tragic and that's why the titles we came up with were an Impeachment wait that was a possible title is hate just the beginning How many more L parcels in our future doubling down on hate and Our century is burning Yeah Country So let's talk about Trump's reaction to what happened in El Paso and Dayton. What are your thoughts on that?  He tries to pin it all on mental illness Not putting any kind of responsibility on guns Wouldn't want to make that NRA mad But of course doesn't take any responsibility for his own hate speech He has just recently taken out two thousand ads on Facebook for re-election ads, right and all of them Directly call it an invasion on our southern border now the guy who went and shot those people in El Paso verbatim quotes Trump's hate speech they can make a direct link from this kid To what Trump is saying every Democrat that's running for a president right now has come out and Said that this is a direct result of Trump's hate speech and they're all Calling him a white supremacist Not just Elizabeth Warren Beto or Rourke Biden did also Joe Biden did in his big speech too so and then I always forget the guy's first name that Oriental Yang No, it's not John I can't remember his first name, but Yang at any rate is also same thing I heard him last night say that he believes that there is a link and it's Pretty unavoidable if it walks like a duck quacks like a duck is a duck That's what he said and it's really true, you know So when you and he's doubling down doubling down all of it. That's what he always does triple quadruple Oh, yeah, I guess the question I put to you Tim is are we gonna have more of this? Is Congress going to do anything to stop it or slow it down? I'm not talking about guns yet We'll get to that. I'm talking about white supremacy. We're talking about hatred of of Latinos the Trump administration already tried to push back Department of Homeland Security's designation that white supremacist groups are as dangerous as any kind of international Terrorism group and they so tried to define it and the White House is pushing back on that. Why? Well, didn't Mitch McConnell say that he was he was gonna take action of some kind but not now later After the recess, well, we've heard this about Parkland How many shootings are they so engaged and revved up now to make a difference and prevent these kind of tragedies and these you know these hateful assassinations and and and murders and Not for no nothing ever is followed through because he knows the attention span of the American public is quite short Yeah, so by the time they come back there's something else gross will happen I think finally they did outlaw the bum socks Things that would allow a single shot into a multiple shot rifle They did actually use something and they banned that but it took up. It was an uphill Perkley in effort to do so They stop selling but they didn't stop selling guns. They just stopped Advertising very violent video games. Okay.  He took a left turn and said it's video games and mental illness 2018 June 2018 Democrats are the problem illegal immigrants Matter how bad they may be to pour into an infest our country Like MS-13 they can't win on their terrible policies So they view them as potential voters and that's how he's tried to frame the argument that the Democrats want illegal immigration Because they're gonna be potential voters an outrageous statement.  I agree So so we have outrageous statements and you want to talk about the photo? Let's bring the photo up for a couple So this photo is gonna going around on social media and started out with apparently with a Ivanka social media and what you have is Melania's sorry. Sorry and the child Okay, it's an orphan of El Paso both her parents were shot dead And that was a story all in itself, but here's Trump smiling. She's smiling He's doing, you know the thumbs up This is the baby that was orphaned because the dad was shot first trying to Lock the shot at the mom and then the mom was shot and the baby broke its hand when it fell when the mom fell with it That he would do that This is the same day Okay, the same day when he went to El Paso that they did raids ice did raids and there were 600 ice agents that went out there and made more than 600 arrests and this is on the first day of school So all these kids that are at school have nowhere to go No one to pick them up with no any no warning at all to the school system No warning to CPS no warning for anyone. They just did it and they went to the the food processing plants and of course there's there's no Problems for the employers But all of the the people were I think that's an operative point right there. That's a really operative point It's been said by a few but it needs to be amplified and that is Okay, you want to round up all these illegal illegal immigrants whether asylum seekers or not Not one inclination of or or penalty for the employer that brings them on to the payroll Right now that was supposed to be, you know E verified and all these checks and balances to prevent the hiring of those who you know have not been documented What happened to that and how does the government just look the other way when it comes to those employers? Well, it struck me when I heard that it was like a day after or two days after the el paso shooting Right That's really terrible timing It is now you can say and then the u.s. Attorney for I don't know it wasn't Louisiana Mississippi, he said oh we planned this a long time ago. Yeah, but you know, you could have held up This is time of mourning National outrage, you know, you can do more against the mexicans and gee whiz. These are not criminals They're not drug dealers They're not terrorists they're working in a food processing plant for many years Yeah, they're trying to be productive Why go after them and why go after them now? um That is it's hard hard. It is hard to word hardly the word driving in this morning on national public radio There was an interview of an 11 year old Girl whose parents were taken away both of them. She is alone and she was in a state I tell you I saw that one girl cry and um, that was pretty tough to watch Yeah, it's pretty tough to watch We have a quotation from someone from homeland security. Excuse me from ice and we're a law enforcement agency not a social agency and again, it's this obtuse Conversation that's taking place a one-way conversation To the american public and trumps base is that this is okay This is okay. This is kind of what you want us to do And for that percentage is 35. I don't know what percentage is anymore. They're like, yeah, we're okay with that remember You mentioned about the children being separated and put in cages in your interview and I believe it was in Alabama And they said well, that's what the children deserve And that's what the parents deserve. They shouldn't have come here to be and so we have this this overwhelming attitude of just hardness and reporting on cruelty Well, I you know, there was an interview of the u.s. Attorney who was responsible for these arrests Mississippi this morning on npr that same piece And he repeated a number of times that He was just doing his job They were enforcing the law And these people were here against the law and it was their job to enforce the law I said gee that's law and order That's I guess he's arguing the rule of law but this administration doesn't care about the rule of law This administration breaks the law all the time. Look what's happening in congress They're breaking the law. They're breaking the duty to the public in so many ways But these poor people they're enforcing the law against these poor people So where's the rule of law when it talks about treating? Those that they've detained with humanity and improper care and in the facilities to be properly in order Where's the rule of law on that? Yeah Where's the rule of law on blowing off all these congressional subpoenas? Where's the rule of law on that we could go on? But let's go to china just for a minute and then try to put this together This is also a week of continuing fisticuffs And threats between trump and china and china in return and all of a sudden, you know, china depreciated its currency Which which is you know is an attack on trade with the us and the us And suggested it would continue to do that and china said or said it would Would stop buying agricultural products from the farmers in the us the farmers have been part of the base, you know This is going to have an effect and trump and you know in turn is making all these threats and he's He he blew he blew up the the intermediate You know range missile agreement. I'm sorry the nuclear agreement was russia and he's putting intermediate range missiles in korea, I think south korea so he's he's He's creating hostility. He's creating Sort of bellicose arrangements with all these places. It's getting way worse China is getting really ticked off at us And it's taking steps now So our foreign policy is really in the tank and Ambassadors are quitting left and right his intelligence community is quitting left and right It's the sole proprietorship problem that we talked about before how he's running the government all by himself was yes men all around him And and wrecking our country inside and wrecking our relationships Outside and the question I and I put to you is Does does it matter to the base? Which seems to like him all the more? No as popularity is increasing Yeah You said something last week about why does he do these things Against his own best interest particularly with the elections a year and a half away Particularly with the economy because you know an economy is like a slow moving tanker Um Why is he implementing more tariffs that could potentially throw the economy down in a recession when he needs the economy to be um boy And and and you know vibrant And the question is who knows why he does it? All I know is that china's has not really reacted the way they could Because what threw that market down in a tailspin 700 points was the threat of them devaluing the quant but they actually didn't quite do that they posted Their official posting and that's what made the market swing back the other way now All it takes is trying to just send a message on the next maturity of treasuries of which they own quite a bit of Of our debt, you know not as much as the sadis used to but they still own a lot of our debt All they have to do is let that roll in and mature and not reinvest it That'll send them a real message to the markets number two is if they do start to devalue the quant and number three is um They can now Pick other sectors other than agricultural products to say no, we're not buying from those sectors either We're going to close the markets off now if you're a farmer in the midwest I don't care how much subsidy you're getting from donald trump at some point you can go I want to be a farmer and I want my market back well when they were interviewed the farmers were interviewed Indiana comes to mind back last summer. They said we're really troubled about this tariff war because it hurts us But we're willing to give him some more time and the ones that were interviewed said we give them till the the end of the year Well, the end of the year came and went already now. We're in the next year. They're still with them They still somehow believe he's going to come through but but really the question is can Can this continue or are we going to find one day that they abandon ship? We're going to find one day that the republicans and congress abandon ship Is it turning against him? Is it coming after him? Is it becoming clear already that he's wearing no clothes? I'm hoping that that is the case Um, I know that for a minute there. I got this sort of glimpse of optimism Um, as I watched all this stuff happen over this weekend and everything that transpired I thought well, maybe it's going to finally catch up with him But you know, he's just going to lie. He's just going to cheat and he's just going to lie in the same way that his Propaganda video that he put out after he went to see the victims in el paso at the hospital He says that he shook their hands and you know, they everything went really great They actually refused to see him. They would not let him come in and visit them in their rooms So it's just flat out. Why you know he's going to lie the important part of that What you just mentioned was that he Chastised his staff for not getting more cameras in there Okay, so you have victims in the hospital who have been shot up In number two is they don't really want to see the president And he's mad because he's not making more of a photo op at it. And the staff said This is this is way out of the norm to make a photo op of visiting people who have been shot up and their family members killed And and he's upset He's upset I think he used that as an excuse because he didn't want to admit that they won't see him They can just he just blame it on the fact that oh, we didn't really have enough cameras It's that way he didn't have to actually say they refused to see me Which I think is kind of an important thing makes him do these We know do we have a hand power Power That's all it is. It's all about power and control. He's a control freak. We already know he's a classic narcissist These kind of people that's all they care about They can't ever admit that there's something wrong with them We have to always have someone to blame All of those things and they lie and they lie what they'll do whatever they need to do to keep their face To the public that they want to present Yeah, well the bigger question or even you we'd long was found out back back in the day in the 30s I guess or the 40s in Louisiana People realized that he was a demagogue and so he lost his support.  He makes these horrible mistakes He keeps on doing it again and again and doubles down And he is driven by hatred He's driven by the worst and greed The worst president we've seen probably in the history of the country When are people really going to pick up on that and will it be in time? no I think He has his set percentage of his base again. I'll go to 35 40 percent. I don't know what that number is That will follow him no matter where he goes And know how low he goes and how depraved he acts They'll follow him and say you're our guy and I don't have hope for that 35 40 percent. I just don't I I did at one point But I don't any longer and I I can't I can't allow myself To give them credit that they'll change and see the light to see the emperor without his You know the emperor with no clothes on this isn't it syndrome I think some of the republicans might come around but I think his main core base Is is ignited by all this hate And all of this pro-white You know rhetoric that's coming out of the white house. They're glad They don't have to hide those feelings that they have anymore. They can actually own them Right, so where are we on impeachment? Nancy's I guess she doesn't want to do it But 118 last time I looked maybe more now It should be more now it is more Of the of the house is in favor of impeachment It won't happen in the senate, but the house is getting closer Where are we is is this coming to a tipping point somewhere? So Or is it just going to sort of he does a race going on the race of people who in the house and the senate for that matter Who don't who think you should be impeached But then the other race is that what he does becomes the new normal And so it's it doesn't look impeachable because he's been doing it so much And you lose track of where he is on that continuum and shame on the democrats We're using political calculus versus standing up for their principles as democrats and they're oath the office Shame on them too. It's not just republicans in the senate in the house Democrats are more concerned about Again political calculations And what it takes to win the next election than to stand up for themselves and protect the constitution and protect this country You know, um, there was an interview just yesterday with um With chairman nadler and he says this is formal impeachment proceedings that are already underway And that's a quote from him It's way more than half that are for impeachment now And Nancy Pelosi is not throwing cold water anymore on all of it and when they asked him About her he said she's on board and has her signature on all these proceedings. So now they have what three new court filings that include the language of We are doing this for impeachment proceedings Um, and they are working together to protect the constitution Something that only congress can do is what he was saying Um, and then he said, you know, they're not limited to just the obstruction charges that are in the second half of the muller report But there's um against the emoluments clauses. There's abuse of power There's withholding all of the things that he's withholding For all of the documents and stuff. That's another thing that could actually be charged That there are many core impeachable grounds and that they're hoping That they will be able to do it before the first of the year where they'll be able to actually get a vote on impeachment And send it to the senate and hopefully by then they've had enough Of the um, you know, the witnesses that can come in And so once the case is made a little bit better, maybe we'll get some more of those people depends on the courts, doesn't it? Right depends on the courts May or may not act in time or may not act in their favor Running out of time, you run out of time You said something that really struck, you know emotional cord with me That is get your signature on the papers the documents fine Get on the podium and say to the american people that I support this So, you know, this is behind the scenes support and it's it's epic at best Get on the podium and make it make it so Speaking of podium Of course, there's the campaign And the campaign is still uh, it's still a lot of democrats shooting at other democrats. I really hate to see that How are we doing on that? Do you think the public is coming together?  I think they've sort of come together a little bit more. They've got someone to attack instead of each other They can go after trump. At least that's what I've been hearing in the different interviews and all that are going on for me You've had a wellspring of things to attack trump on and you didn't need the last weekend. What's to do it? That's true. Um, that's true. You know, I'm sorry, but if this If it takes on a pass or a date in Ohio to for them to start directing their eye or towards Another object than other than themselves. That's a pretty sad statement. That's pretty pathetic Um, I think you're gonna have infighting and that's just politics But not to the point where you are clawing someone down that can actually be the candidate that can beat donald trump So they've got to stop that You know one of the things that seems to be holding up impeachment in the house anyway Is that they um, they have um, the report of Mueller on obstruction and conspiracy illusion, you will And that's not that second hand. It's like you're saying it's a report of other evidence And they've taken the view that they need the other evidence. That's why they have issued You know all these subpoenas because they want the direct evidence not the report of Mueller To act on impeachment or whatever action they're going to take but in fact He hasn't cooperated. He has been You know obstructing Throughout and I mean imagine giving instructions to all his staff. Don't talk to the the house of representatives Don't go down there blow off the subpoenas Um And and you could make a pretty good case that there's obstruction in that alone Of course, right. Right. Forget about the report. Forget about what the report looked at or found He's obstructing their efforts to find out So it seems to me, you know that they could do An impeachment right now on the basis of that alone I think you use the report you use the report that alone is a standalone document, right? I agree. Sorry, but It's there even Robert Mueller said it's there. It's there on these 448 pages Um, right, you don't have to have uh, you know impeachment is a is a moral political process Not illegal. Not illegal. You know, it doesn't matter about the Burner proof and admissible evidence and all that. I don't think that plays And you know, but let me give you a scenario going forward And we've talked about this all three of us so Dayton El Paso Not the end of it The white supremacist movement is there Congress has done nothing to stop it. Really Congress has done nothing to stop really. I mean The bump stock thing is it is surregenerous. It's it's not really the big deal It has done nothing to stop the huge number of guns in this country So many ways that could have happened, but they didn't do anything And trump is out there fanning the flames We have no action by congress on either, you know, the white supremacist and hate movements And you have uh or on gun control and trump is out there fanning the flames And I have to add that social media has really not been stopped It's still doing it The russians must be laughing up their sleeve about this the ultimate divisiveness and and who knows how much involvement they have in this hatred business Okay, so it's going to continue Okay, there will be more el passos and more datans. Oh, yeah Where does that play in accelerating advancing, you know, the movement or impeachment? Well, I think the more things that are are happening that are completely Um connected to his hate speech It's going to increase people coming behind the whole impeachment process And I can only hope that all of the town hall meetings that You know our congress is having now that they're back home in their districts It is going to be just an outpouring of people saying hey We want impeachment and we want it now And I think that was one of the things they're sort of waiting for that public groundswell that Hasn't really happened because we've all been so desensitized to all of this hate for so long Right that it's just going to keep going and going and going Well, Donald Trump says in my quote, I've toned it down I've toned it down quite a bit Meaning his rhetoric and that was that was his his way of trying to explain that I'm not The speaker of hate because I've toned it down by saying I've toned it down means he acknowledges that he's done it Right. Absolutely. Yeah, I don't think about that. So remember Donald Trump. Remember what he does He runs up to the line He gets in trouble. He runs back Then he waits a while he runs back up the line again He sees how further much over the line he can crawl and I say crawl with emphasis And the process creates a new normal Which makes it hard for congress to do anything The other element and I want to ask you guys about this my last point of inquiry is that So we have we have violence going on around Iran We have this very strange peculiar bizarre Beautiful letters but also intermediate intermediate missiles coming from North Korea We have a very strange and threatening relationship with with russia who not only is Offending our relations You know rather our elections And you got to see that movie The the great hack. I was just going to mention it about how they do that How they did it and are doing it now And the tearing up of the nuclear treaty with them We're talking about so many places in the world Oh, China, you know, which is getting more angry at us the people on the street getting more angry And the steps that the government is taking against us more draconian And this the heat is going up in all of these places Any one of them they're all tinderboxes any one of them could erupt in fantastic Um battles and wars and attacks Okay, how does that play in the possibility of impeachment?  The argument is you created this mess your leadership Is the problem and therefore it's your leadership that is in question When we take this impeachment vote whether we're successful or not isn't the point The point is we're going to stand up for a principle Preserved rule of law and the constitution period In hopes in our fondest hopes. I think that's the case But you know about that great hack which is a really really amazingly enlightening So that I think everybody should watch because it really talks to how the algorithms are being used by some of these Social media companies they can tell not just where you are and what you like the shop for But whether you're a democrat or republican whether you are a hardcore republican whether there's room for you to be You know changed on your attitude and what they need to send you to try to gently Nudge you in that direction. So you've got all these kids that maybe are desensitized To violence because of the video games, which is in there, right? There's no Solid studies yet, but it's in there and then you take these kids that are on social media Basically 24 seven and you start to feed them little things You know, they you know kind of go and they veer towards that white supremacy anyway She's start feeding them things and you just feed that one person Through their social media what you want them to know and you can just you can ignite anything you want In that one person and if you want to make them dysfunctional non-functional as a country You want to have them fall down? That's right divide them. That's what's happening to us That's right and it's not that difficult to do and that's what algorithms that are So, you know behind everything that's in our social media. You gotta watch the movie. Okay, we're out of time tim Closing for you. What do you think is going to happen next week? What are you worried about? What are you looking for? What i'm worried about is a statement you made that i hope The god that never comes to pass is more el passos More Dayton, Ohio's just because we have a president that knows nothing more than to Fan the flames of racial hatred and what i think in the next week we're going to see is him being a little bit more contrite and Play act that he's interested in gun control. He's owned by the nra and that's the fact He may not be able to control what he has started as a wildfire burning in this country The country is burning and what what strikes me is, you know, you worry about the courts which he has packed I'm still doing it with conservatives The wildfire may be visible to them They may decide they have to act in order to save the country. I hope they have the baseline patriotism to actually see this It would be nice. Thank you tim. Thank you very much. Thanks. See you next week. Aloha. Aloha


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I think they just have way too much I think brazil is going to the final i think portugal wins I think portugal wins. Yeah against morocco. Yeah. Yeah France and england is definitely the most interesting Definitely the most interesting. I think I think netherlands is going to be argentina I think netherlands is going to be argentina Ike Ugo rookie breakaway for canada My only worry for netherlands is they haven't really played as good of competition so far And argentina like lost her first game so they've had to really like Rally and like step it up a little quicker. So You might worry, but it's like the matchups there. I think the red breakaway. They aren't a skater for or to guai Number 42 of 99 So you're taking all all the favorite teams. I'm guessing shane. I think those teams would all be favorite I would imagine france favorite over england Yeah, I think brazil wins. I think portugal beats morocco. I think netherlands beats argentina I think france beats england Hard to see brazil in portugal losing though The other two matches are a lot closer I do want to see brazil argentina though.  I would think is those two nations. Yeah, uh, kori gakpo To the eating france ones at all. I think I still think i think i still think brazil is going to win at all Brazil france final would be so much fun breakaway. Jean-Luc busio Oh uh, france one in 2018 when imbappe was a was like 19 Yeah, he is that guy Pulisic blue breakaway nice nice one united states number to 49 15 to 49 Next match 10 a.m. Eastern tomorrow will be brazil. 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