Item number SCP-178 Object Class Euclid Special Containment Procedures SCP-178 is to be stored in a Class 3 Anomalous Object Container, guarded by no fewer than two armed personnel with level 3 clearance when not undergoing testing. Item is to be removed from containment only with the written permission of personnel with level 4 clearance or higher. Following incident number 17814-Alpha, all tests are to be monitored remotely and the presence of all personnel apart from test subjects in the testing area during experimentation is expressly prohibited. Description SCP-178 is a pair of white stereoscopic 3D glasses with a rectangular white cardboard frame and lenses of transparent blue and red, left and right lenses respectively, plastic. The item exhibits no unusual physical properties apart from a slight discoloration of the cardboard consistent with age. When worn, the wearer begins perceiving large bipedal entities in addition to its ordinary surroundings. Entities reportedly exhibit a docile and occasionally curious behavior. Experts include entities leaning over the shoulder of persons working and observing them with interest, with one exception. Any attempt by the wearer or any other personnel to directly interact with the entities results in severe lacerations suddenly appearing on persons involved. The appearance of lacerations is rapid and continues until the moment the wearer expires. The pattern of lacerations is always consistent with being slashed with three parallel tapered sharp objects of lengths varying between 14.2 and 27.4 centimeters and maximum thickness varying between 2.9 and 8.1 centimeters. Recording and measuring devices used during testing failed to detect any anomalies, including while lacerations were appearing on subjects. Subjects do not report hearing any sounds emanating from the entities. Hearing term observation of subjects exposed to the item reveals no lasting effects. Stereoscopic images viewed through the item appear three-dimensional. Addendum number one. Item was recovered in 19- in Tennessee by agent operating as a deep cover agent in the US Fish and Wildlife Service who arrived in the town following reports of a year old child being found dead in her second floor bedroom, apparently as a result of an unusual mauling. The agent noticed a bloodstained stereoscopic image of a ferris wheel adjacent to where the child was discovered and after some searching found the item under the child's bed where it had apparently been thrown during the child's death throes. Set agent then proceeded to call a recovery team to his location. Following the recovery team's arrival, set agent wore the item and looked at the image reporting nothing unusual until he turned his head to his left whereupon he noticed an entity approximately an inch from his face leaning over his shoulder and looking at the stereoscopic image. In the debriefing, agent reported also noticing several other entities in the room observing him and the recovery team. The agent refrained from attempting to interact with the entities and the item was recovered without incident. Addendum number two. All experiments are logged in file number 178E. Termit 178E1 Name, Doctor's Date, Undisclosed, Procedure. D-Class subject is to be placed in secured test chamber containing SCP-178. The test chamber is to be observed via bulletproof glass window to adjacent control room and via audio and video recording devices. D-Class subject will be instructed to wear SCP-178 and report what it observes until told otherwise. Results Subject D-17831, male, 41, no discernible mental abnormalities, is placed in the chamber and told to wear SCP-178. Subject is not told of SCP-178's nature. Subject does as instructed, then immediately expresses distress by throwing SCP-178 away and covering its eyes while vocalizing fear. Research staff instructs subject to describe the source of its distress. Subject unresponsive, research staff attempts to calm subject. Subject responds by uncovering its face and looking around, appearing to still be distressed. Research staff instructs the subject once again to describe the source of its distress. Subject responds by stating the presence of an unfamiliar entity, in close proximity to its face, the moment it wore SCP-178. Research staff instructs subject to describe the entity in detail. Subject responds by stating entity was hideous and had too many eyes. Research staff instructs subject to describe the entity in greater detail. Subject states it did not manage to perceive many details, before removing SCP-178. Research staff instructs subject to wear SCP-178. Subject uncooperative, research staff repeats instruction. Subject uncooperative, research staff threatens subject with termination unless it cooperates. Subject uncooperative, testing is ended, and subject placed under surveillance to test for long lasting symptoms of exposure. Subject displays symptoms of mild paranoia for two days, before returning to normal behavioral patterns. Surveillance ended after 30 days, and subject terminated. Note, well this wasn't very informative, but at least it confirms we have an actual anomalous object in our hands. Subject 178 E2 Name, Doctors, Date, Undisclosed, Procedure, D-class subject is to be placed in secured test chamber containing SCP-178. The test chamber is to be observed via bulletproof glass window to adjacent control room, and via audio and video recording devices. Subject will be instructed to wear SCP-178 and report what it observes, until told otherwise. Results Subject D-63164 Female, 31, no discernible mental abnormalities, is placed in the chamber and instructed to wear SCP-178. Subject is not told of SCP-178's true nature. Subject does as instructed, and immediately begins emitting expletives and walking backwards towards the chamber's wall, looking intently at something to its one o'clock. Research staff instructs subject to describe what it is seeing. Subject presses its back to chamber wall, and describes seeing an entity standing halfway across the test chamber by the wall, looking at the wall. Research staff instructs subject to describe the entity in detail. Research states the entity is bipedal, possesses two additional upper appendages ending in large conical protrusions, and a smooth head. Research staff instructs subject to provide additional details. Subject begins describing the entity, and then suddenly expresses distress, stating oh god it's looking right at me. Subject collapses against test chamber wall, still staring in the same direction. Research staff inquires as to whether entity is exhibiting hostility or not. Subject states that it is not moving, but looking at it. Subject instructed to remove SCP-178. Subject refuses, stating that it does not trust the entity. Subject reminded that uncooperative behavior will result in termination. Subject removes SCP-178, and begins looking around the test chamber in distress, stating that it can no longer see the entity. Subject instructed to wear a SCP-178. Subject complies, and states that the entity is still looking at it. Subject instructed to report any changes in the entity's behavior. Two minutes and thirty seven seconds pass, before subject states the entity is no longer looking at it. Subject states entity is looking at the wall again. Subject reports no further changes for seventeen minutes and fifty five seconds. Test ended. It seems strange that the thing the subject saw was so disinterested, given the way the item came into foundation attention. We didn't pick anything up in any of the recording equipment either. I wonder if this entity is really there, or an illusion generated by the item. Experiment 178 E3. Name. Doctors. Date. Undisclosed. Procedure. Procedure. D-class subject is to be placed in secured test chamber containing SCP-178. The test chamber is to be observed via bulletproof glass window to adjacent control room, and via audio and video recording devices. A fractal blue and red image is to be placed on one wall of the test chamber, and a plastic bin containing ten standard tennis balls is to be placed near the opposite wall. D-class subject will be told SCP-178 is an experiment in next generation 3D specs, and that staring at the fractal image while wearing SCP-178 will allow it to see animated three dimensional images. D-class subject will then be instructed to wear SCP-178, and report what it observes. In case the subject perceives any entities, it will be instructed to throw a tennis ball at them. Results. D-51441. Male. 27. Arson. Murder. No discernable mental abnormalities. Is instructed to stand at the end of the test chamber, opposite the fractal image, and wear SCP-178. Subject complies and expresses surprise and discomfort. Subject instructed to describe what it perceives. Subject states it perceives two entities standing in the room. One, from now on referred to as entity 1, next to the fractal image, with its back to the subject, and the other, from now on referred to as entity 2, crossing the room from left to right. Subject opines that the person who designed the animation is mentally unbalanced. Subject instructed to describe entity 2's gait. Subject states it walks using both its legs and upper appendages. Subject equates entity 2's gait to that of a gorilla, if someone put its skeleton together wrong. Research staff inquires whether both entities are similar. Subject replies that, apart from size, they appear to be generally similar. Subject then proceeds to describe entities fitting the description of the entity in experiment number 178E2. Subject instructed to pick up one tennis ball and throw it at entity 2. Subject complies. Both the research staff and the audio recording devices observe the ball moving uninterrupted until it hits the floor on the opposite side of the test chamber. Subject expresses surprise and distress, attempting to back away for 0.7 seconds before severe lacerations begin appearing on its body. Appearance of lacerations continues for 4.7 seconds until subject presumably expires from massive bleeding and trauma. Autopsy on expired subject reveals lacerations consistent with being slashed by 3 sharp objects, relatively thick and tapering to a point approximately 17 cm in length and 4 cm in maximum width.  Notes. Holy ****! It would appear that these things don't like being disturbed. On the other hand, that ball sailed through the air like nothing was there, and with the death of the subject, we cannot know if it indeed passed where the entity was or not. This is still far from conclusive, but the pattern of laceration matches the findings at the item's recovery site, so at least we've established beyond any doubt that it is dangerous. It's interesting to note that so far, the entities are pretty consistent in appearance, despite variance between test subjects. I wonder if any non-violent interaction between the subject and the entities is possible. Experiment 178E4. Name. Doctors. Date. Undisclosed. Procedure. D-class subject is to be placed in secured test chamber containing SCP-178. The test chamber is to be observed via bulletproof glass window to adjacent control room, via audio and video recording devices, via infrared cameras, electromagnetic radiation sensors, and motion detectors. A fractal blue and red image is to be placed on one wall of the test chamber. D-class subject will be told SCP-178 is an experiment in next generation 3D specs, and that staring at the fractal image while wearing SCP-178 will allow it to see animated three-dimensional images. This subject will then be instructed to wear SCP-178 and report what it observes. In case the subject perceives any entities, it will be instructed to attempt to speak with them. Results. D-8-4291, female, 19, no discernible mental abnormalities, is instructed to stand near the wall opposite of the fractal image and wear SCP-178. Subject complies and immediately expresses revulsion. Subject instructed to attempt to speak to it. Subject appears confused as to why it would attempt to speak to an animated image. Research staff repeats instruction. Subject expresses irritation and says, Hello weird thing, how are you today? In a bored manner. Lacerations begin appearing on subject's torso and abdomen 0.2 seconds after subject finishes speaking. Subject's right arm severed above the elbow after 2.4 seconds. Laceration in subject vocalization stops after 8.4 seconds when subject presumably expires. Autopsy on expired subject reveals the same kind of lacerations, indicating sharp objects approximately 21 cm in length and 5 cm in width. Notes. I guess that means we can assume that any attempt to interact with the entities ends in hostility, and nothing on any of the sensors either. We're establishing a pattern here, but the main question is still whether the death of the subjects is caused by the item, or by external entities. I wonder if subjects not wearing the item can be affected by it. Experiment 178E5. Name. Doctors. Date. Undisclosed. Procedure. Two D-class subjects are to be placed in secure test chamber containing SCP-178. The test chamber is to be observed via bulletproof glass window to adjacent control room, via audio and video recording devices, via infrared cameras, electromagnetic radiation sensors, and motion detectors. Both subjects will have general knowledge of the properties of SCP-178. One subject, designated subject one, will be instructed to wear SCP-178, and will describe to the other subject, designated subject two, the location and appearance of any perceived entities in the test chamber. Subject two will then attempt to interact with the entities. Results. Subject one. D-61955. Female. 35. Three counts of murder. GBH. No discernable mental abnormality. Subject one. Subject two. D-57321. Female. 27. No discernable mental abnormalities. Are placed in the test chamber. Subject one instructed to wear SCP-178. Subject one expresses dislike for the research staff. Subject two concurs. Research staff reminds both subjects that uncooperative behavior is grounds for termination. Subject one wears SCP-178 and begins emitting expletives. Subject two expresses distress and inquires as to the reason for subject one's consternation. Subject one states that, there's one right behind you. Subject two turns around and states that it cannot see anything unusual. Research staff calms both subjects by assuring them the perceived entities are harmless and instructs subject one to assist subject two in making contact with the entities. Subject one states that there is an entity about a foot in front of her and that the entity's head is about two feet taller than her. Subject two inquires whether the entity is looking at it. Subject one replies in the affirmative. Subject two attempts to calm itself and proceeds to look where considers the entity's head to be and say, um, hi there. Lacerations immediately begin appearing on subject two's torso and face for 0.9 seconds before subject two's neck is severed. Subject one vocalizes acute distress and runs toward the test chamber door. Subject one attempts to bludgeon the door open unsuccessfully for five seconds before turning around and saying, presumably to our perceived entity, no, get away. Subject one begins suffering lacerations across the abdomen and torso. Subject, laceration, and vocalization cease simultaneously after 17.3 seconds. Autopsy and expired subjects revealed two different laceration patterns. The relatively few lacerations suffered by subject two are consistent with lacerations caused by three sharp objects approximately 27 centimeters in length and eight centimeters in maximum width. While the many lacerations suffered by subject one are consistent with lacerations caused by three sharp objects approximately 14 centimeters in length and three centimeters in width. Note, we still don't know whether the entities are actually there or are illusions caused by SCP-178, but now we know they can affect more than the wearer. This means that this object is potentially much more dangerous than we initially surmised. Interestingly enough, the two subjects showed different laceration patterns as though they were inflicted by different entities. A shame we didn't ask subject one about the number of entities in the room. We'll do better next time. It is also possible that subject wouldn't have been harmed if she hadn't addressed the entities herself. That's also worth checking out. Experiment 178E6 Name, Doctors, Date, Undisclosed Two D-class subjects are to be placed in secured test chamber containing SCP-178. The test chamber is to be observed via bulletproof glass window to adjacent control room via audio and video recording devices, via infrared cameras, electromagnetic radiation sensors, and motion detectors. Both subjects will have general knowledge of the properties of SCP-178. One subject, designated subject one, will be instructed to wear SCP-178, and will describe to the other subject, designated subject two, the location and appearance of any perceived entities in the test chamber. Subject two will then attempt to interact with the entities. Subject one will be instructed not to speak or otherwise interact with entities at any eventuality. To ensure this, subject one will be told that any attempt to make contact with the entities will result in termination.  Subject one is instructed to wear SCP-178. Subject one, uncooperative. Subject one is instructed again to wear SCP-178. Subject one, uncooperative. Subject two urges subject one to cooperate for fear of punitive measures. Subject one wears SCP-178, and expresses surprise and disgust. Research staff inquires as to the number of entities. Subject one states, they're a** everywhere, doc. There's nine of them here with us. Subject one then turns to look at the bulletproof glass window separating the test chamber from the control room, and states, and there's three in there with you. Look, there's one leaning right over your data expunged. Notes Following the loss of all research staff and incident number 17814 alpha, the containment protocols have been revised. 057 Experiment 178E7 Name Interceptors Date Undisclosed Procedure D-class subject is to be placed in secured test chamber containing SCP-178. The test chamber is to be divided into two partitions, and a five to one ratio, with a smaller partition containing the chamber entrance separated by bulletproof glass, with a small hole in the middle covered in steel mesh, to allow the passage of sound from one partition to the other. The test chamber will be observed remotely via audio and video recording devices, via infrared cameras, electromagnetic radiation sensors, and motion detectors. Subject is to be told of SCP-178's nature, and instructed to wear SCP-178, and attempt to communicate with entities on the other side of the partition. Results Subject D-13627 Mail 52 Rape Double homicide No discernible mental abnormalities Is placed in the test chamber, and instructed to wear SCP-178. Subject expresses displeasure, but complies. Subject instructed to describe what it perceives. Subject describes four entities in the other partition. Subject states entities look docile, two of them jabbing the walls, and the other two looking at it through the glass. Research staff inquires whether any entities are present in the subject's partition. Subject looks around and replies, then none are present. Subject instructed to attempt to communicate with the entities. Subject expresses desire to get this over with. Subject says, presumably tore the perceived entities. Hello, can you hear me? Before recoiling suddenly. Research staff inquires as to the reason the subject recoiled. The subject replies that the entities have begun pounding the glass with their upper appendages. Research staff inquires whether they are succeeding in causing any visible damage to the partition. Subject replies that they are not. Audio recordings fail to pick up any sounds apart from those emitted by the subject. Research staff inquires whether the subject can hear the entities pounding on the partition. Subject appears perplexed and replies to the negative. No changes occur for 10 minutes and 14 seconds. Research staff announces the end of the experiment. Subject expresses relief and removes SCP-178, placing it on the floor. Test chamber door opens and two security personnel, agents data expunge, demand that subject comes with them, presumably to D-class cells. Subject turns towards door and begins complying when lacerations begin appearing across his face, torso, and upper arms. Research vocalizes distress and both security personnel recoil and emit expletives. Agent W. Gradyo's a containment breach. Agent W. begins firing his weapon into the chamber, hitting and killing the subject after 2.1 seconds of being lacerated. Containment teams are mobilized to the testing area and the sector goes into lockdown. Searches are concluded after an hour and four minutes without any findings or further incidents and lockdown is lifted. SCP-178 is found where Subject D-13627 dropped it. Note that could have been catastrophic. First time we get to experiment on SCP-178 and the whole sector goes into lockdown. The brass aren't going to be pleased. I think we should come up with some lower risk experiments for the foreseeable future. I guess anywhere that attempts to establish contact with the entities can die even after removing SCP-178. It's interesting to note that Agent W. suffered no ill effect, despite firing AT the entity. I estimate it is because he had only very limited knowledge about the entities observed by those who wear the item. Experiment 178E-8 Name Doctors Date Undisclosed Procedure D-Class Subject is to be placed in secured test chamber containing SCP-178 and a video camera connected to monitor. The test chamber is to be observed remotely via audio and video recording devices, via infrared cameras, electromagnetic radiation sensors, and motion detectors. Subject is to be instructed to hold SCP-178 up to the camera and report what it sees on the monitor. The camera is both connected to the monitor and to an external recording device. Pending the success of the experiment, the research staff will submit a request to view the recording. Results Subject D-61286 Female 28 15 counts of GBH 2 counts of murder No discernible mental abnormalities Is placed in the test chamber and instructed to pick up SCP-178 and hold it up to the camera. Subject complies and holds SCP-178 approximately 20 cm from the camera. Subject instructed to hold SCP-178 up to the camera so that it sees through it. Subject inquires as to which lens it should hold it to. Subject instructed to hold the red lens up to the camera. Subject complies Research staff inquires whether the monitor displays anything unusual. Subject replies to the negative. Subject instructed to hold the blue lens up to the camera. Subject complies and reports that the monitor still does not display anything unusual. Subject instructed to put down the camera and wear SCP-178. Subject complies Subject vocalizes acute distress, stumbling backwards while staring at the monitor. Research staff inquires as to the source of the subject's distress. Subject reports three entities crouched in front of the monitor, looking at it. Subject instructed to remove SCP-178. Test ended. Notes It would appear that either the item functions similarly to ordinary stereoscopic glasses and requires two eyes, or that the effect isn't merely optic. There's a way to test that. Experiment 178 E9 Name Doctors Date Undisclosed Procedure D-class subject is to be placed in secured test chamber containing SCP-178 and a special zoom mount containing two small video cameras simulating a pair of human eyes connected to monitor that splices both images together in real time to create image similar to the way stereoscopic sight works. The test chamber is to be observed remotely via audio and video recording devices, via infrared cameras, electromagnetic radiation sensors, and motion detectors. Subject is to be instructed to hold SCP-178 up to the camera and report what he sees on the monitor. The camera is set to record. Pending success, the research staff will submit a request to view the recording. Results Subject DE-87325, male, 32, no discernible mental abnormalities, is placed in the test chamber and instructed to pick up SCP-178 and hold it up to the two cameras. Subject complies and holds SCP-178 approximately 20 cm from the two cameras. Subject is instructed to view the monitor and describe what it sees. Subject complies and vocalizes distress, dropping SCP-178 and backing to the chamber wall. Research staff inquires to the source of subject's distress. Subject states, They're **** watching me. Subject is instructed to hold SCP-178 to the two cameras. Subject is uncooperative. Research staff threatens subject with termination unless it complies. Subject complies and holds SCP-178 to the two cameras. Subject is instructed to attempt to communicate with the entities. Subject says, Hello? In the opposite direction of the monitor, presumably in the direction of the entities. After 0.5 seconds, lacerations appear on subject on the torso, face, and right arm. Experiment is concluded and SCP-178 is recovered. Photopsy on expired subjects showed consistent lacerations, approximately 27 cm in length and 8 cm in maximum width. Analysis of the recorded footage shows three separate entities, with varying sizes, observing subject. When subject attempts communication with entities, two grow three sharp claws and lunge at subject. Notes. They look more hideous than we imagined. We're going to need to analyze the footage more and calculate the speeds of the entities before we do any more experiments. Lesson complete. If you missed the previous orientation, go watch SCP-177, Checkmate, right now. Or for the complete course, watch this playlist.


So here we are. Welcome everybody. Can you please give me feedback if you can hear me and see me properly? We're waiting for the connection. Professor will be here. First appointment of International Virtual Studio. For the one of you who doesn't know, Virtual Studio is an interdisciplinary online project designed, promoted and coordinated by Yusiena Campus Cultural Activity and in collaboration with U-Radio and Chiklomaggio. And I welcome Professor Berdike Le, who's Professor of Political Science and the Rectors Delegate to Internationalization for the University of Siena. Welcome Professor. Are you so glad to have you in here? Can you hear me and can you see me properly? I can hear you. I don't know if my voice is clear because I got a little bit of noise, but I think it's fine. Okay. The one of you who's listening and seeing us, can you please give us feedback if you can see and if you can hear us properly? So Professor, I wanted to start this first appointment. You are the first one on International Virtual Studio and we are so glad for having you in here. I wanted to start by asking you why did you choose this a little bit provocative title, which is Unlocking Europe Mobility After COVID-19. Can you please explain it to us? Yeah, I can tell you quite clearly. I think that this is a wish in a way because I don't want to think my life and the life of all of you without mobility, especially through Europe, but in general because I've been, you know, spending my life in mobility, but as a traveler, first of all as a traveler, I have to say, and then as a professional and as a scholar as well, I don't see life without being mobile, discovering, traveling a lot and be curious. I used to say that my father was called Datt and my mother was both curious. I cannot live without mobility. So that's my answer. Perfect. The main theme, of course, of International Virtual Studio and of Virtual Studio itself is just spread knowledge and cultural thinking and reflections about this a little bit difficult time, of course, that we are spending times in our homes for the quarantine and social distancing. The first question, my first question, so it would be, how is this affecting our life and how this quarantine and this situation will affect, of course, the mobility? Yes, I think two levels, so to say, we have to think. The first is the level of emergency and I think we are learning about getting into something new suddenly, trying to get out from this and trying to get out from this, thinking to those of us who are objectively isolated because they live in a new place, maybe in small rooms, maybe they don't know exactly how is the health system in the country hosting them. They are without a family, maybe for the first time in their life. I'm thinking to these people, I'm taking care of every day in my profession and I think that this is the first thing. The first thing in history, because all the crisis, all the wars and everything in the past, they did not happen in a situation in which people were so mobile. This was an absolutely new situation, I think, astonishing and somehow shocking that we live. But there is a second level which is not necessarily a negative one and not necessarily a learning for crisis, it's a learning for life. We have to live with this kind of things, although I do hope that we don't have another crisis like that in 10,000 years. But the problem is that in any case we have to be ready and we have to use our resources at our best in order to cope with the third problems and keep going, traveling, keep going, learning about the rest, because especially in Europe, but not necessarily only in Europe, we need to keep mobility on. Based on your reflections, are you suggesting that we have to rethink your professional and social styles of life, way of life? True. Style of life, for sure, and this will be probably for months, because we have to test how this social distance or whatever you want to call to be safe become a sort of new style without erasing our human attributes but to try to be correct and to behave correctly. But these, especially for those who want to live abroad, want to travel and want to study abroad, there should be a special learning process in order to socialize at their best because we cannot stop our process. On the other hand, I think that for the longer run, for the life that we are going to do, I hope in a few weeks from now, we have to learn anyway how to mobilize our resources much better and actually how to use this experience to improve our way of being curious and traveling around Europe. We can really take a lot of benefits in terms of legacies from this emergency. Sorry, before asking the following question, I wanted just to remind to our guests that they can ask the professor's question in our comment section about the legacies you were talking about. The legacies of this pandemic situation in terms of social and economic effects, what about the legacies, what about this kind of legacies? The social and economic costs will be enormous and of course I really hope and this is a reaction from our governments and particularly from the European Union. Sorry, professor, but we are having kind of troubles in listening and seeing you. Professor, can you hear me? No, I think... Professor, sorry, but we have lost you. We just have lost you. You were missing because of the connection. Can you please just repeat your words? Okay, do you hear me now? Yes, I do, but I wanted to hear from our public. Can you hear and see professors? I'm waiting for you. I hear you, do you hear me? Yes, I do right now. Do you hear me now? Okay, yes I do, I do. Yes, I can see you. Okay, I'll try to get out from... Okay, do you hear me now? Yes, yes, probably, yes. Okay, maybe it's a problem. No, I was saying that we have to learn how to keep being trustful and keep being generous in terms of linking and maintaining our links, especially at the European and international level. This is a big challenge because my concern is that people would be less motivated, particularly in having professional and studying experience abroad. So my point is that just trying to keep this curiosity and this motivation to be mobile. Okay, are we going to face deep changes even in terms of inclusion and parsimony, as you were saying? Yes, this is a trade-off, of course. We need to figure out the resources that could be used in the future because of course we will get out from this crisis with the normal cost, as we said already. But at the same time, we need to invest in new programs and I do hope that especially the European Union could be generous enough with the next Erasmus program. But of course, if you want to be really inclusive and enlarge the number of people mobile, we have probably to rethink some aspect. We have to cut all these existing programs that reveal to be too costly and also not properly sustainable in terms of the Green Deal program of the European Union. At the same time, we have to rethink other forms and maybe virtual mobility can be an important instrument, an important but not the only one because we have to know the people around Europe and around the world. So we have to try to get the balance of these instruments and without any interruption of the... So here we are. Welcome everybody. Can you please give me feedback if you can hear me and see me properly? We're waiting for the connection. Professor will be here. First appointment of International Virtual Studio. For the one of you who doesn't know, Virtual Studio is an interdisciplinary online project designed, promoted and coordinated by Yusiena Campus Cultural Activity in collaboration with U-Radio and Chiklomaggio. And I welcome Professor Verdike Le, who's Professor of Political Science and the Rectors Delegate to Internationalization for the University of Siena. Welcome Professor. I'm so glad to have you here. Can you hear me and can you see me properly? I can hear you. I don't know if my voice is clear because I got a little bit of noise, but I think it's fine. Okay. The one of you who's listening and seeing us, can you please give us feedback if you can see and if you can hear us properly? So Professor, I wanted to start this first appointment. We are the first one on International Virtual Studio and we are so glad for having you in here. I wanted to start by asking you, why did you choose this a little bit provocative title, which is Unlocking Europe Mobility After COVID-19. Can you please explain it to us? Yeah, I can tell you quite clearly. I think that this is a wish in a way because I don't want to think my life and the life of all of you without mobility, especially through Europe, but in general, because I've been deaf in mobility, but as a traveler, I have to say, and then as a professional and as a scholar as well, I don't see life without being mobile, discovering, traveling a lot and be curious. I used to say that my father was called Datt and my mother was both curious. I cannot live without mobility. So that's my answer. Perfect. The main theme, of course, of International Virtual Studio and of Virtual Studio itself is just spread knowledge and cultural thinking and reflections about this a little bit difficult time, of course, that we are spending times in our homes for the quarantine and social distancing. The first question, my first question, so it would be how is this affecting our life and how this quarantine and this situation will affect, of course, the mobility? Yes, I think two levels, let's say we have to think. The first is the level of emergency and I think we are learning about getting into something new suddenly trying to get out from this and trying to get out from this, thinking to those of us who are objectively isolated because they live in a new place, maybe in small rooms, maybe they don't know exactly how is the health system in the country hosting them. They are without their family, maybe for the first time in their life. You know, I'm thinking to these people, I'm taking care of every day in my profession and I think that this is the first thing. And probably the first thing in history because all the crisis, all the wars and everything in the past, they did not happen in a situation in which people were so mobile. So this was an absolutely new situation, I think, astonishing and somehow shocking that we live. But there is a second level, which is not necessarily a negative one and not necessarily a learning for crisis, it's learning for life. We have to live with this kind of thing, although I do hope that we don't have another crisis like that in, you know, 10,000 years. But the problem is that in any case we have to be ready and we have to use our resources at our best in order to cope with the problems and keep going, traveling, keep going, learning about the rest, because especially in Europe, but not necessarily only in Europe, we need to keep the mobility on. So based on your reflections, are you suggesting that we have to rethink about our professional and social styles of life, way of life? True. Style of life, for sure, and this will be probably for months because we have to test how this social distance or whatever you want to call, in order to be safe, become a sort of new style without erasing our human attributes but to try to be correct and to behave correctly. But these, especially for those who want to live abroad, want to travel and want to study abroad, there should be a special learning process in order to socialize at their best because we cannot stop our process. On the other hand, I think that for the longer run, for the life that we are going to do, I hope in a few weeks from now, we have to learn anyway how to mobilize our resources much better and actually how to use this experience to improve our way of being curious and traveling around Europe. We can really take a lot of benefits in terms of legacies from these emergencies. Sorry, before asking the following question, I wanted just to remind to our guests that they can ask the professor's question in our comment section about the legacies you were talking about. The legacies of this pandemic situation, in terms of social and economic effects, what about the legacies? What about these kind of legacies? The social and economic cost will be enormous. And of course, I really hope, and this is from our government, particularly from the European Union. Sorry, professor, but we are having kind of troubles in listening and seeing you. Professor, can you hear me? No. Professor, sorry, but we have lost you. We just have lost you. You were missing because of the connection. Can you please just repeat your words? Okay, do you hear me now? Yes, I do, but I wanted to hear from our public. Can you hear and see professors? I hear you. Do you hear me now? Yes, I do right now. Do you hear me now? Okay, yes, I do. Yes, I can see you. I'll try to get out from... Okay, do you hear me now? Yes, yes, probably, yes. Okay, maybe it's a problem. So I know I was saying that we have to learn how to keep being trustful and keep being generous in terms of linking and maintaining our links, especially at the European and international level. This is a big challenge because my concern is people who'd be less motivated, particularly in having professional and studying experience abroad. So my point is that just trying to keep this curiosity and this motivation to being mobile. Okay, are we going to face deep changes, even in terms of inclusion and parsimony, as you were saying? Yes, this is a trade-off, of course. We need to figure out the resources that could be used in the future because, of course, we will get out from this crisis with the enormous costs, as we said already. But at the same time, we need to invest in new programs and I do hope that especially the European Union could be generous enough with the next Erasmus program. But of course, if you want to be really inclusive and enlarge the number of people mobile, we have probably to rethink some aspect. We have to cut all these existing programs that are revealed to be too costly and also not properly sustainable in terms of the Green Deal program of the European Union. At the same time, we have to rethink other forms and maybe virtual mobility can be an important instrument, an important but not the only one because we have to know the people around Europe and around the world. So we have to try to get the balance of these instruments and without any interruption of the movement of people and movement of ideas, especially through Europe. I think this is a crucial achievement for the European Union. Oh my God. Well, this is communication. Professor, we lost you again. Sorry for that. My connection probably because I have a lot of... Yeah. Okay. As I was saying, emergency communication, this can't happen. That happens. Yeah. So as you were saying, the integration of our knowledges will be possible only if we will be able to combine inclusion and parsimony. But I was thinking what about mindfulness and the Green Deal goals because we know that our university is really committed to these kind of purposes and goals. Yeah. This is probably the real challenge for the future. I think that we have to reduce all the travels and all the connection that can be really run, let's say, on the basis of different things, including all these streaming activities that we are doing in this period. At the same time, we have to reduce short-time mobilities that are sometimes really unrelevant in terms of experience. And at the same time, using the resources that you can save from this for getting longer periods of mobility, especially for students within small numbers of universities. And the idea of the European university alliances can be really helpful in this respect. So people, they should be mobile, as in the last 20 or 30 years. At the same time, having a more specific experience about knowing the other universities, being part of these universities, maybe doing exams, for instance, in two or three other universities, instead of only one, and spending a longer period without traveling so much back and forth. And this can be an alternative model. And then, of course, using co-working, using technology to work continuously from the first year to the third year using double degrees, using common programs, anything that can be useful to feel the same identity. So people should be connected to two or three other universities and being part of these universities, not simply a student from Siena having an experience, maybe in France or maybe in the UK. No, being a European or an international student. This is the challenge for the future, in my view. Okay. I was reading about a review from our international offices, and they were saying that the 60% of the international students of our university is on a physical or virtual mobility. What are the tips that we can give to them? Because some of them are still in Siena, some of them are on a virtual mobility still in connection with us. It is important, I think, as you as directors delegate to the internationalization to address some tips for them, some advice for them. Sure. I mean, this is a crucial thing. We are happy that we didn't lose so many students around. We have roughly 60% of people that they wanted to keep going, their experience of mobility, the outgoing students, and some of them, of course, they're isolated anyway. Some they decide to come back, but they want to go back to their Austin University. They are following the courses in their Austin University. And the same applies to the incoming students. I hope that some of them are still connected with us. And this is important. I repeat, we have to avoid interruption in this experience. Of course, this entails a big problem of socialization. It's not exactly the same. I'm talking to you, I'm trying to get a continuous work with my colleagues and my students, but this is not the same. So we have to learn how to make these people really able to socialize. And the virtual international virtual studio would be a fantastic instrument to involve them. At the same time, I think the critical thing that we have to avoid is frustration from the idea that we are burning our time. When I was in the Erasmus many decades ago, I was trying to use all single minutes of my life in order to get connected socially, culturally, academically and so on. I understand that now it could be really, really difficult to do that for people to stay in their small rooms. But we have to enforce this stimulation and this motivation. I'm sure if we are passing this, they would feel stronger and stronger and maybe they will repeat the experience maybe in Siena, maybe in another university. It doesn't really matter, but they will be stronger. Okay, thank you. I'm going to check if there is some questions. Okay, someone is saying hi to your professor from Colombia and he is saying we will meet again. You will meet again. Okay, we have a question from you Radio Siena. Professor, you mentioned a Green New Deal before. Could you please tackle this issue? Well, this is a big issue and a big challenge. Generally speaking, the goals of the Green New Deal are already set and of course in Siena we are very happy and proud that we have a special attention sensibility for the sustainability goals. But I think the effort for the future is to bring this goal within all the universities, not in a specific research center in a specific department. We have to integrate the system of the Green Deal in terms of policies from the little university, from the little institution to the gigantic projects of the European Union. And actually the Green Deal, let's say, aspect of our everyday work in the university should be simply trying to... This is my personal wish even for my future. I want to select my travels. I want to go to places, whatever, congresses, travels for private things, just to travel, which I did in the past. I have to confess because I love traveling. I want to select the traveling and I want to produce just a minimum of pollution in order to get the maximum of benefit from my traveling. Social benefit, collective benefit of course. So this is actually the principle that should be moving all our policies from our university to the European Union to the global world. Okay. Another guest, Valeria, is asking how could we have some news about the mobility for the following academic year? This is a kind of practical question. Well, we have a lot. And actually my colleagues at the Division de la Trientilación are producing, you know, continuously document that you can find on, of course, on the website, the frequently asked questions and so on. I think that we are going to a sort of postponement to all the deadlines for sure for the European Union, less sure for the bilateral agreements with the specific universities. But of course we are trying to allow, let's say, all the people already selected for this academic year as a mobile student to have more time to complete their learning agreement. We are probably going, but I'll tell you in the next days, to postpone even the mobility of the next academic year, hopefully not for a whole semester, but just for a few weeks in order to send all the people around. In any case, we are ready to start in a virtual mobility as we did in this semester to move as soon as possible to the physical mobility. Okay, so for every tip and every news you can check all the pages, the internet pages of the international department. Thank you. So we have a question from Sikwira92. Sorry if I spelled your name incorrectly. The guest is saying, hello, I'm from Costa Rica and I'm planning to move in September. The students' visas are on hold-on. What are the options for the students with this kind of problem? Well, I'm afraid that this is falling exactly in this period of transition because when we talk about postponement, although the postponement hopefully should be really short, September will be still within the post-lockdown regime. So I think that we have to wait for at least a one month or two. But, well, I'll tell you more, I'll tell you more and I'll discuss this with the officers in the next days. Okay, so you will, like, pass all the information to us and you can check all the news and the information on the Uniciana and the Uniciana Campus Accounts on Instagram and Facebook. Sofia Belluti is asking, how about the students that are going to start the Erasmus in the next academic year? What is their destiny? As I told you, we are planning to confirm all the mobility schemes. Of course, we cannot, you know, we have to consider the possibility that some destination will be disappearing because in some cases, some universities, they autonomously decided to stop the mobility for one year, for instance. This is not the case of Sienna. So I hope that I would be able to respond in a positive way to all the people that try to confirm their mobility for the academic year 2021. Okay, so let's hope together for everybody because this is really important to still be in connection and to still, like, can use this tool that the Erasmus is giving to us the opportunity that the Erasmus would give us. Okay, last question. Erasmus for students can be substituted by virtual lessons, but when it comes to Erasmus for a traineeship, the situation is more complicated. News on that horizon? That's another critical point. You're perfectly right. We try to save also the aspect of the traineeship using the idea of smart working wherever, where possible. I mean, this is not possible for many things. For instance, for the medical, you know, for the clinical aspects of the traineeship of students in medicine. If possible, we are using the smart working mode in order to not penalize too much the people who are in mobility as trainees. Okay, thank you. Professor, one of our guests knows that you are a great guitarist and he's asking us to play something, but can I answer that? You can check, actually, Facebook page because on that you can find all of his beautiful albums and music and plays. Okay, yeah, sure. I check that too, because I check that too. Professor, during this quarantine and social distancing time, do you have any reading tips for us? Well, I think I was thinking about that because this time I'm not talking about my discipline, I'm talking about the professional aspect of my life, but not necessarily connected to my readings. But I have a couple. Well, actually, I'm suggesting the book of my life, which is my favorite book ever, which is Kerouac on the Road. This is a wish. A wish that you can take your travel on the road as soon as possible. And this is a wish for me as well that I really need to get a little far away for a while. And the second is more professional. Maybe a student in zoology could find a little bit boring. But I think it's a reading for everyone. The discovery of the America from the point of view of a journalist of two hundred and a half ago. His name was Tocqueville and this book is called Democracy in America. This was my first book I could buy when I arrived in U.S. in 92, at the end of 92. And this is still one of my favorite political science books. So these are my suggestions for you today. Okay. On the Road of Kerouac is one of my favorite books. So the greatest reading tip I have ever, believe me. Professor, unfortunately the time is kind of over because we have some guests like after us, another live after us. I really wanted to thank you for your first intervention in International Virtual Studium. I do remind you that our next appointment is next week, next Thursday, always at 6 p.m. and you will see my colleague, Mattia, from Uradio Siena, which we'll discuss about with another professor always on International Virtual Studium. I do thank also the rectors of the University of Siena for giving to U.S.iena campus the opportunity to jump on the mainly account, the most important account of the University. And of course, thanks to U.S.iena campus, which I'm part of, and thanks to Uradio Siena and thanks to Ciclo Maggio. I wish you the very best of the evenings and I'm going to meet you next week with International Virtual Studium. Thank you, professor. Thank you so much. Have a nice evening. Thank you. Bye, everybody.


Here are some teaching ideas for the future Continuous Tense. Here we have an activity where we'll be asking students to spontaneously make some excuses based upon some invitations. We can do this into pairs or small groups. The teacher will have cut these cards up and the students will place them into a pile randomly picking up a card. So one student might pick this card up and say, would you like to play tennis with me tomorrow? The other student will be challenged to come up with an excuse as quickly as possible which might be, no, I'm sorry, I'll be working. Then we have the next student pick up the next card and we challenge an additional student to make an excuse.


You know, I like the fact that for the past few days every time we come in to start the very first thing I see is To peek it in a bikini, you don't know what that means, but it's true.  It's the Corbin. I'm to pick up how to go You can follow us on Instagram Twitter for juicy gone. Yeah, thanks. I'm patreon Follow us for your Twitter account subscribe if you haven't and hit the like button Why why why why it helps the algorithm and that's what we like to do More than help the algorithm nothing we like to do then help the algorithm Nothing we like to do but help the algorithm if you don't help the algorithm you should go away Today we're doing a movie review. Oh, what am I doing today? What are you? Wow? This is gonna be a fun movie review. You want juicy content? You know where to put it and welcome back to classic month. It's classic month It is our I don't know number four five our film for the year Class for the year. It's I think it's a Fifth this was our fifth because we've also seen we've done six total and cutty was New release. Yeah six six Seven I don't know. I think it's it might be seven. Hold on one second. Hold your whole hold your cotton pickin Okay Doing a movie of the There we go. I was gonna hold my coffee cup So I kind of got the two-in-one. I had this and I had this so it turned into this The 1973 classic Abhimaman Corbinized the Um, um, um, hi, I'd be mumma mum. I'd be mumma mum. Yeah, say it in Bigby's voice. I Be mumma mum. Oh, do you how do you say that? Abhiman abhiman Probably sounds my bed. My beautiful lovely Indian wife for here. She would say it properly She is not directed and story by Rishi Keshe Mukherjee. He's a very famous director in India. I wonder if he's Bengali probably. Yeah also Composed by SD Berman. Yeah, and starring Amitabh Bachchan And Jaya Bachchan Just sexier Yeah, higher and sexier and I believe at this moment She was a bigger star than Bigby was really at this point in their career pathways interesting and Interesting obviously during the filming of this they got married And I think the the one scene They did the end scene Right after their honeymoon Really? Yeah, I believe so if the trivia that I did not know that correct That is what happened But obviously I wanted to get to some obviously big big classics and Jaya specifically cuz right off the top in case you didn't notice There you go. Namaste bitches namaste bitches But obviously this is gonna be a hundred cents for review if you haven't watched it go watch it Well, you've got to rent it on YouTube All different places that we have to find Indian films But this is a classic that I think a lot of people Have seen before and Johnny had seen it before obviously. Yeah Yeah, it's it's it's one of those films that Even if you haven't seen it you you know the film it'd be like people in America if you said Gone with the wind. Yeah, you said come with the wind. They say yeah, of course or or at least if they're older Yeah, or they're all but even then even still or if you know, the Casablanca they say yeah I've never seen it, but I know about that.  Oh naughty Sphinx Rick your initial thoughts please it had to happen at some point We would eventually get to a classic that I didn't like This is a classic that I didn't like I have technical reasons for disliking it It isn't the obvious reasons though. I dislike it for the obvious reasons We'll get into that in a little bit But there were aspects there there is a thing that I liked about it the thing that I liked about it And it was a very high level liking that almost made me like the film almost made me like the film was Jaya Bachchan Yeah, yeah, she she is the the thing for me that held this together and made me keep Wanting to watch but but other than that for the most part. This was the first time we had a classic I didn't dislike it. I just didn't like it. I was in that kind of just flat point Mostly because of some things that have to do with technical aspects that for me. I didn't didn't float my boat. I gotcha I Don't really want to say I totally enjoyed it just because of the story And that's probably one of the things that disconnected me most I enjoyed a lot of the film part of it in terms of like this is a very different story of like Somebody who you can't really root for in in the Amatek Bachchan style character. This movie could have been called men Thy name is asshole Absolutely, and it seems like this year actually more than others that we've seen Classics that are very of their time of their culture. Oh, yeah Especially of this classic month. Yeah of like Men doing certain things or that that was acceptable at that time or acceptable in the Indian culture at the time So that that bodes if I may this this reminds me of I think I saved it if I didn't save it I know it's in the message Here that I sent to rich because there's a photograph of something from this same era back in the 1970s That was a game that was played called battleship. I found it. You remember the game battleship. Yeah, okay So this is an ad. I'm gonna put it up on the screen. So here's the here's the ad It says battleship fun for the whole family. Okay, right says battleship fun for the whole family However, when you zoom in what you see is it's the dad and the son playing the game. This is what's in the background The women are in the kitchen Fun for the whole family when the boys get to play their games and the girls are where they should be barefoot Pregnant and in the kitchen, right? Am I right? So it's similar era. Yeah, right similar and I've obviously gone into some of the other films that we've seen this classic month of of Similar kind of things different but similar in terms of what's acceptable sure at that time sure What's different except all in the Indian culture at that time which makes you take it with that grain of salt? But I probably enjoyed this film more than you did just because I enjoyed quite a few things about it in terms of Jaya's performance Not that Big B did anything bad in this performance It's just I was character was one that you want to know or at all, right? It wasn't that he was bad. There was just there wasn't anything that stood out for me. She was Fantastic, and we'll talk about her. I loved the songs I thought the the the pacing of the film probably could have been not in terms of like it Dragged in terms of like It just went from one thing to one thing to one thing really fast, right? There was a there my primary the primary thing I disliked about the film was what you just described in most aspects of the film there was a stodgy cut out very formal Non-logical other than this is what we need to do for the shot sense of both the pacing the blocking of the actors The physicality of the actors. I didn't she was really the only one that I felt was Incarnating and being where many other times there were things I knew that were done just purely for indication rather than Full embodiment of what's going on so the and the pacing Basically it all fell in line that way I felt like the dialogue the the the blocking was hugely problematic for me in terms of it not being justified other than I'm walking here Because this is where I've been directed to walk We've taken this shot because this is the shot we want I want to make sure that the pictures here and I will turn to let everyone know I'm thinking about that is how they did it Back in the day, but this was big.  It was pretty much throughout Shot, but I want to talk about the the thing obviously I think probably most people think is the best part about this film Even if you absolutely adore this film is Jaya. Yep absolutely great performance by her as usual though She even in stuff like it's stuff.  Yeah, we've talked about this before K3G Right. Yeah, everybody including Avatar Bakshan is through the roof, right? And obviously that's the style of film that they were going for in that film. Yeah, she's but she's always here She's like I will not go up here. I will always be here on the ground do what you want to do But I'm gonna stay grounded guys It just shows that she's just a phenomenal actor. Yeah, and especially in that end part I think those were real tears coming on 100% if it's not it would have shocked me I saw all the emotion on her face there at the end as did our supporting actress Barely supporting role the other woman. I thought she did a good job as well. She she Encapsulated for me as best as was possible. I think a genuineness of feeling and Just a level of acting that that conveyed truth I didn't understand that character's role very much though. That's part of the another problem with the screen I didn't understand fleshed out. Well, were they having an affair? Was he just like an old Fling that he wants to you know that he has an emotional connection to I didn't understand like her point in this whole story, right? and maybe maybe there's a bunch of stuff in like the Hindi version that It's much more connecting via wise which is always entirely possible. Yeah, of course just garbage, right? Yeah, but Jaya was definitely the the performance you felt for her because Everything that was happening to her was completely unfair and not her fault and obviously that's the point obviously of the story of like just Toxic very toxic masculinity and fragile egos and right. Yeah, like my favorite line in the film History has taught us that a man is better than a woman Good grief, but granted that's one of the things that I I Obviously, it's one of the reasons I couldn't fully connect with the the film is because of like I Don't know if I could watch this one again outside of the beautiful songs is because I'm like He's just an asshole every guy is but also especially him. I think that was the point And so that's when I've been I'm fine with the film It was like even if you're not trying to make everybody fully like connect in all that You're telling the story of toxic masculinity in Indian culture specifically at the time even though Even though I still had a problem with obviously in the the superstar Russian con film of the redemption arc that this that character gets The redemption arc that it just happens I think it in a lot of Indian films. Yeah, but don't deserve it Yeah, get that redemption arc because that's what the audience wants But here's here's where for me this redent your redemption arc doesn't work I felt every man in this needed a bullet in their head Here's the reason his redemption arc doesn't work for me He was not a fully fleshed out complex human being he was just a dick and When he came to a realization of what he had done we didn't see any struggle prior during or after in terms of Justifying this tremendous revelation of what happened with him to justify Anything redemptive at all. So the fact that he did not have complexity to his character He was a pretty straightforward negative character, which was I felt he's already judged by the screenwriter This is our bad guy. He's gonna do bad things and all the other people are gonna be bad versus maybe having one person like that and The comparisons that are made to this and they're they're good comparisons because it's a similar story It's not exactly the same, but it's it's it's a good comparison to compare it to a star is born Every version of it. I haven't seen Judy Garland's version But the Streisand Chris Christofferson version in the more recent Bradley Cooper Gaga in that story The man who's the star and Discovers her It's tragic Because you understand that his primary issue is with himself and you can understand why she loves this broken man And you're rooting for him to heal You're rooting for them to win and in the end your heart broken because if he hadn't been so flawed Maybe there had been hope I I I just felt like this guy wasn't flawed.  What is the point except continuing to push through this men or dicks message the socks That moment happened and I said out loud.  I did not get what that was supposed to do in the story That's one of the reasons I said this is one of the another one that I feel is lost in the time on us as well of what the Obviously back even back in America back in the day right 60s whatever the time was that Men were and those are men will be men boys.  Yeah, they would do the minimal thing sure go there better now, right? I felt that that's one of the things that happened to this for sure because I've seen some Indians talk about this film They're like, oh, it's so beautiful and maybe they're just talking about Jaya's character and the heartbreaking of her But obviously seeing this not obviously when it came out and only in 2023 Just like some other films that we've seen this classic month It's very striking the the stuff that they let certain people get away with and I know you said like he didn't you didn't see any Like remorse or redeeming of his character. Obviously, that's the same thing. That's the same thing. I felt with Russia cons character Though well, I thought that his character. I thought that was even less with his though Now I felt his his character had complex bashed somebody's head in yeah, and then was like ha I was right She loves me more, but he had complexity. There were points where he demonstrated that he wasn't I don't think I'm Box on didn't have complexity. I I don't agree with that aspect. I do. Yeah. No, you didn't feel he was pretty one No, I thought Rajagant was more one note than I'm a talk about John When did he demonstrate that he was a kind man? I Don't think he I don't think he ever demonstrated that he was a Bad, I think he demonstrated. No, what did he demonstrate? He was kind. I mean at the end I mean, I'm not saying it was I like I said, I don't I Didn't like his redemption arc, but I did see some of like the the I think he was genuinely Sorry, I don't think he deserved the recognition for being sorry at the end because obviously I think he was an absolute ass Do that the entire thing of just being very toxic and but once again that that I think that was the point of the film of Him it just I wished he didn't get that redemption arc in the end I like if if he was just in a dick who didn't want to be there for his wife when she was giving birth and then lost the Child and then and she's still doing this grieving and they make her go up on stage And and when it ended and they're walking away, she's crying my thought was good God She's never getting out of that hell. Yeah She's just gonna live with him and be treated this way for the rest of her life And maybe that's the point that may be why I think that it's I didn't hate the film is because I think that I think that's the point of this film is that it's the the toxic masculinity of Indian culture me at the time I don't know if this is what he was saying of just the that vicious cycle even if they Saw what they did are they actually going to change in the end and this is more of a Tragedy Shakespeare kind of thing for Jaya Bachchan in terms of it is a tragedy Tragedy, but at it Shakespeare complexity go hand-in-hand So this is nothing nothing remotely close to being a Shakespearean tragedy a Shakespearean tragedy story for her of just it's just a sad Story for her. I don't I think it's more than that. Yeah You get tragedy when you're dealing with complexity and that there was we get it. You don't think it was complex the hope of I think it was a little more than you think it was I don't think it's the most complex story I've ever seen obviously, but I think I don't think it was not not complex I I feel very similar to the Rajdekan film in terms of that whole Storyline of the man and how their dicks right You made the comparison that you think that Amitabh Bachchan's character was more complex than his character And I think you're smoking crack because I think Rajdekan's character beat the shit and almost killed his wife and Absolutely, he did not beat his wife And almost kill her. Well, there are things that are far worse than that. No, no, no, there are things that are far worse Just physical abuse is obviously a bad thing But there are things that are way more abusive that are done to people emotionally than are done physically It's true But and also again most murdering your wife is is pretty high up well in the non-forgivable almost murdering is what he did He murdered his wife. He Absolutely destroyed Everything she was as a person. Oh, she is a walking corpse at the end of this. Oh, I'm well aware So but I don't see though that big of a difference between those two characters But he shows no this character shows no kindness Do I think yeah Selfless kindness there are times when they're happy and they're having a good time, but it's always Because he's getting something out of it. He never does anything sacrificial for her in any way or any one Yeah, I'm not saying you didn't whereas Rajdekan does no This is not a comparison of the two so yeah, it is no I'm saying that's not what people want to hear right here is a comparison of those two I just brought it up for a point Not not for us to talk about it for 20 minutes. That's what I'm saying But the another thing that I did really enjoy about this film was the music of this film I did I thought that the music was absolutely theme gorgeous And was she played by Lada or was it? Yes. It was Lada. Uh-huh. I could see why she was more popular Yeah, yeah, yeah Even if you're also sung by a legend I mean if you're singing next to if your wife is the voice of Lada McCurgy and you're whoever Your wife's probably gonna be a little more popular than you are But the I did really enjoy that aspect of the film even though like this was not a film that was like had Big numbers, right just had a lot of small Intimate no, and I did appreciate that we actually had subs yeah for the song for the songs That that is nice, and I did appreciate the fact That for the time it's my understanding that in Indian cinematic history And even still today, I mean it's not common to have somebody who's going to play the lead character as the male Someone like an Amitabh Bachchan be playing a negative character. Hmm. You know that that's that's not that is definitely not lost on me Mm-hmm for for the actor of that day because there are still actors today Who will not play a character that's considered the negative role which I I hope that? Terminology changes because it's like saying the characters negative already gives a pre-judgment on the character Yeah, before you're even playing it versus being the antagonist, and I think it's because probably at this point in his career He I don't this was before Sholey right and so before he became right Bigger than everybody right and so just like Just like with Rajnikarh she had started it. Yeah, and more yep So I think that happens quite often, but just not as much after they become a star right Because their fans want them as the he right right right of the thing, but yeah, I do agree with that I thought I think is it been to decide. Yes. Yeah, I do it's it's been to who played Chitra Yeah, yeah, she was the other one that I felt I thought it was Helen for a second. Oh, did you?  He was by far the more complex character in that though. He demonstrated some attributes Occasionally that were negative especially the sock scene That that he he demonstrated kindness. He demonstrated frustration. He demonstrated, but he too suffered from either I'm guessing it was directing choices where so much of his blocking Whether he was moving or he was seated or what he was needing to do for camera was being played the camera Yeah, there was so much of that was sitting down and he was yeah over shoulder so much of the staging was so stodgy and cardboard and Did not feel like it evinced life. It felt very staged. Yeah. Yeah Yeah, I think there was a scene where Jaya and the Bindu is that her name? Yeah, and he was she walked she was they were talking and she walked Behind her and talked to the yeah edge over here. Yeah well, there's a moment where he's he gets really mad at at big B and He goes to leave and the phone rings and he walks back to the phone and he stops and then he goes and he leaves Every moment of that I knew what was gonna happen I felt like he walked to the phone because he was supposed to walk to the phone and he stopped because he was supposed to stop Versus it being in the moment and him making decisions based on that's you know what? I'm not gonna answer the phone It just felt very stage and you felt it was more than the normal knee of the time because that's obviously very of the time It is of the time it just was so high throughout every moment that it was the standout for me that disconnected me. Yeah But you liked the ending the her scene like the ending scene of her I didn't I didn't personally like what happened to the character, but Yeah, I appreciated what I did appreciate was it's it's not a happy ending It too it did end with what was very clearly the staged background people You know coming to one autographs But then being pushed aside and they're not asking for the autographs because they were told to stand there There was just so much stuff that I saw people doing because they were told to do it versus doing it because There was justification for it But yeah If there's a my favorite takeaways or her performance Mm-hmm and the fact that it it accentuates toxic masculinity And I don't know how much it does so with an intentionality versus as a byproduct Mm-hmm, and then the ultimate ending as tragic as it is. Um, I'm really happy It didn't end with her smiling and waving at everybody that would have been so Disappointing yeah, it ended with her as a pretty much a and you enjoyed the song So I really enjoy the songs and I enjoyed the theme But that's where it put me where I didn't I didn't dislike it so much that it's it's I'm like I would never want to watch this again.  Yeah Bakchan Films whether together or separate as well. I do know obviously there's silsala or something. Yes He's obviously high up there silsala I think that's the title those two and Rekha and as that's is that because I know she worked on Several films with Rishikesh Mukherjee, so I don't know if the director. Yeah, I believe that director There were several films that they worked on together as my my understanding Well, he's probably one of the biggest directors of the day. Yeah back in the day. 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