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Stories of real-life encounters with genies are almost unheard of, especially in modern times, but reports of personal encounters with extraterrestrials are many, and some believe they could be one in the same. If you grew up in the 70s in North Carolina, you might remember a strange man who earned the moniker The Goatman. So well-known he even had a book and a song written about him. Whatever happened to this odd traveling preacher man? And a fascinating and in some ways sad story of a four-year-old, not because of anything that has happened to the child, at least not in this life. The girl remembers working at the Twin Towers on 9-11.  The legends and apparent encounters with the genies are perhaps some of the most intriguing, and until relatively recently, some of the least researched outside of the Middle East of all strange otherworldly entities. Indeed, many people claim that such encounters with aliens are, in fact, encounters with the gen, supernatural entities from another realm of existence. And while these legends are prevalent in the Middle East, it may be the case that the gen's presence, if we assume there is some truth to their existence for a moment, is much more global. One researcher who has conducted extensive research on the gen is Rosemary Ellen Giley. The results of her research are perhaps best appreciated in her book The Vengeful Gen, unveiling the Hidden Agenda, which not only examines the legends of the gen, but what they might be in reality. While we have talked about legends and folklore as well as shapeshifting entities here on Weird Darkness, all of which the gen could neatly come under, these particular entities deserve examination in their own right. Indeed, they might prove to be the key to unlocking a large part of the supernatural and the unknown. Perhaps before we get into some of the legends and apparent sightings of the gen, we might stop and examine some of Giley's work a little further on just what the gen might actually be. For example, as mentioned previous, many people believe incidents involving aliens, ghosts, even bigfoot, and werewolves, almost any encounter with a strange entity, or in fact, the gen. However, as Giley writes, that does not negate the existence or reality of the aforementioned entities in their own right, but simply that the opportunistic gen may take on appearances that fool us into interacting with them in specific ways. Indeed, there are a number of researchers, for example, who firmly believe that the alien presence on our planet is to influence our behavior. Perhaps these aliens are, in fact, gen. Although Giley doesn't assert that all aspects of the paranormal can be explained away as encounters with the gen, she does say that the evidence points to them being a significant part of our interactions with parallel dimensions and other worldly realities that intrude into ours. Giley also points to the fact that modern science is beginning to examine the genuine reality of other dimensions that exist alongside our own. If we discover absolute proof that other dimensions do exist, might the legends of the gen be more accurate than we might think? When she turns her attention to the descriptions of the gen and how they appeared in the form of smokeless fire, she makes the connection that this is a lot like Plasm, the fourth state of matter. To quote her in full, To put it simply, plasma is an ionized gas into which sufficient energy is provided, freeing electrons from atoms or molecules and allowing charged atoms and electrons to exist. This strange fourth state of matter is actually the most common in the universe. Our sun is made of plasma as he is lightning. A plasma creature then would require very little physical space to exist. Another writer, Jesse M. Speck also wrote on the platform Live Science that plasma is a state of matter that is often thought of as a subset of gases, but the two states behave very differently. Like gases, plasma have no fixed shape or volume and are less dense than solids or liquids. But unlike ordinary gases, plasmas are made up of atoms in which some or all of the electrons have been stripped away and positively charged nuclei, called ions, roam freely. Do these modern perspectives and explanations of plasma offer us a different understanding of what the gen might be? Interdimensional beings? These thoughts of entities from other dimensions, ones that can also cross over into our reality, are extremely intriguing. At least as they have surfaced in other theories, perhaps most notably such entities as aliens, reptilians, and even shadow people. And it's there that we will quickly turn our attention to next, when Weird Darkness returns. Suicide or murder in the shadow of a nation's capital. Alice, you were right. There was a body in the cell last night. You know that? I'm positive of it. Only there were two bodies. The screen's master of horror, Bella Ladosi, has the answer to this mysterious death. This time, she sought refuge in a strong man's arms. I just ran into yours. Mine might be dangerous. Ladosi as a madman on a mission of vengeance. Is he friend or foe? You'll find the answer to this fantastic mystery in Black Dragons. Join us Friday, January 26th for our next Weirdo Watch Party, as we watch Black Dragons presented by Horror Hotel's resident vampire, Lamia Queen of the Dark, bringing us trivia about the film, the actors, and all things horror-related in between segments of the show. And then stick around after Black Dragons, because Doc Dredd will be with us with one of his popular and fun movie reviews, giving his opinion of 2023's award-winning horror flick Beneath Us All. The Weirdo Watch Party's always free to watch online with everybody, so grab your popcorn, candy, and soda and jump into the fun and even get involved in the live chat as we watch the movie. It's Black Dragons starring Bella Ladosi from 1942 presented by Horror Hotel's Lamia Queen of the Dark, then Doc Dredd's movie review talking about Beneath Us All. Friday, January 26th, starting at 10pm Eastern, 9pm Central, 8pm Mountain, 7pm Pacific. See a few clips from the film and invite your friends to watch along with you on the Weirdo Watch Party page at WeirdDarkness.com. And we'll see you Friday, January 26th for the Weirdo Watch Party. Many researchers have questioned whether extraterrestrials are in fact not visiting us directly from the outer reaches of space, but rather from another dimension, or perhaps even through some kind of portal. If we turn our attention back to the research of Giley once more, she writes that many of the Arabian stories and Islamic texts, the Jinn live in a place that is very close but invisible to humans. This could most certainly suggest that they exist in an alternate dimension. While many take his work with pinch of salt, researcher and writer David Iick has always maintained that reptilian aliens exist in the lower fourth dimension and are essentially invisible to us until they cross over into ours. If there is any accuracy to these suggestions, does that mean that reptilian aliens are actually the Jinn or are the Jinn actual reptilian aliens? We'll return to those questions and similarities of reptilians a little later. Incidentally, Giley suggests that the most logical candidate as to where the Jinn resides would be the fifth dimension. Indeed, our entire existence might be one of the alternate dimensions of space and time. We've examined before that humans can only see very little of the visual spectrum, and that there could literally be a whole world of activity taking place around us that we just cannot see or even hear. Might it even be that these invisible spaces of reality are the other dimensions from which all manner of entities might be able to emerge from? Even the fact that many of the legends state that the Jinn resides in lonely, desolate places such as caves, mountains, deserts and forests are likely based on the misunderstanding of the people at the time of somewhere invisible. To many people at the time, these far away places were invisible in that they would have little chance to ever go there. However, perhaps now with modern thinking and the knowledge that other dimensions could indeed exist, these invisible places could be right next to you. Interestingly, in the West, whether intentional or not, most people's initial introduction to the Jinn are through films such as Aladdin or the television show I Dream of Jini, both of which have their origins in the legends of Jinn. Likewise, the notion of a Jini being discovered in a lamp and granting wishes has its origins in the same place. In short, although from a Western perspective, we know very little of legends of the Jinn. We have perhaps been more exposed to at least watered-down versions of those legends more than we think. As I've already mentioned, the Jinn are able to shapeshift and take on any form they desire. How they do this, as we might imagine, is unknown, and while they can take on any form they wish, there are several particularly intriguing alternative forms of the Jinn to examine. Perhaps one of the most interesting is that they'll often appear in the form of a black dog. We've examined this before, the appearance of strange black dogs with a distinctly paranormal feel to them. Might they be connected to legends of the Jinn more than we thought? For example, often these appearances occur following the appearance of strange mists or shadows. Might this be the smokeless fire or plasma aspect of the Jinn? While many of the black dog sightings take place in the United Kingdom and mainland Europe, there are also examples of them in the Americas, and interestingly enough, the sightings and the legends thereof have a feel of black magic and even devil-like characters to them. Once more, is this a connection to the Jinn? They are connections that perhaps require further investigation. There are other recurring animal manifestations of the Jinn. Many legends state that the Jinn often appear in the form of a snake and will often enter people's homes in this form. Such as the strength of belief that a snake found inside the home is likely a Jinn, many people refuse to kill or harm snakes. If they did and it was a Jinn, they would likely face revenge for the act. Similar beliefs are held by the sudden appearance of a scorpion or lizards. What is perhaps also of interest is that arguably the most well-known shapeshifter, the werewolf, is perhaps one such creature that is not connected to the Jinn with some beliefs stating that wolves are natural predators of the Jinn. Of course, it isn't just animals that the Jinn can morph into and appear as. For example, some legends state the Jinn are sometimes connected to severe winds, storms, and even sandstorms. They can also appear as shadows, often moving against a wall or in its own right. This should perhaps alert us to the alleged encounters with shadow people. Once more, is there a connection between the Jinn and this seemingly increasingly if little understood phenomena? We'll return to apparent connections to the shadow people encounters shortly. They can also appear in part of full human forms which immediately bring to mind claims and legends of part human, part animal creatures. Perhaps we should also recall legends of ancient Greece, particularly those that state Zeus often appeared in assumed forms, even those of other people, in order to influence human thought or even outright deceive them. In short, given the number of connections we can make with many aspects of the paranormal, as well as the equally intriguing connections to many legends and folklore, it's easy to see why some researchers believe the Jinn have a stronger presence in our modern world than many could have previously imagined. While many researchers in the Western world suspect legends of the Jinn to be exactly that, legends, many people from the Middle East assert they are very true, and what's more, they do not doubt their existence. In Gaeli's previously mentioned book, one of her colleagues, Philip J. Imbrogno, tells of a journey into the region and the apparent very real nature of the Jinn. Imbrogno had traveled to the region in the mid-90s in order to conduct research on the Jinn. He was able to do so as a soldier that he had served with in Vietnam and was now a high-ranking member of the security force of the Royal Saudi family. Imbrogno would give the person in question the name Jack in order to protect his identity. After arriving in the country, he would travel to Jack's home, an affluent part of Saudi Arabia where he would stay. After meeting with his friend and catching up, Imbrogno was informed that each of them had been invited to a dinner party where a member of the Saudi royal family would be in attendance. It would be a dinner that would prove crucial for the writer's research. At the dinner, he would find himself sat next to the royal family member, a royal cousin, and would get the opportunity to briefly speak with him. He would inform the royal that he was there to research the legends of the Jinn. According to his account, the royal family member replied immediately that he would tell them about them, that they are very real and live in my country. He would then go on to relay a fascinating encounter. According to the account, the Saudi royal claimed that a unit of the United States military has been making active attempts to catch a Jinn for several years. They have been given certain permissions to operate in the desert regions of the country, providing there were military or scientific purposes to such missions. More specifically, the United States military was seeking to obtain a technical device used by the Jinn. This device not only allowed them to pass through solid walls, but it also allowed them to open and go through dimensional windows. The Saudi royal admitted he wasn't sure if the United States had been successful in obtaining such a device, but insisted that their efforts were genuine and serious. However, that was all the information he was willing to divulge, quickly ending the conversation. Before he did, though, he gave instructions to Jack about taking his friends to see a holy man the following day, someone whose knowledge of the Jinn was extensive. Incidentally, Imbrugno would liken what the Saudi royal informed him to one of his own UFO investigations in the Pine Bush region of New York, an area that we have also examined previously due to the seemingly intense UFO activity there. As he spoke to locals, he learned that they had noticed an increased military presence in the region, something the military would explain as merely training exercises. However, a source of Imbrugno's would claim that the real reason for the military in the Pine Bush area was to capture an interdimensional alien. More intriguing, this alien was using a device that allowed it to use portals to enter the area, which the military was looking to capture and learn to use for their own ends. Might these apparent operations have been an extension of the ones the Saudi royal claimed were taking place in the desert? The following morning, after the revelations at the dinner, Imbrugno was taken to meet the holy man and allowed to ask him what he knew of the Jinn. He would state to Imbrugno that the Jinn were made of fire and had long lifespans and great power. Perhaps more interesting is that they are able to manipulate matter and change form. Perhaps part of this manipulation of matter is to create portals through which the Jinn enter our world. What's interesting here is that many researchers believe that UFOs, Bigfoot, and all manners of strange incidents are the result of such portals. And in the same way that researchers also believe that certain areas around the planet are hot spots for such activity, many experts on the Jinn insist that there are key locations around the world which the Jinn use as a doorway to our realm. One such location, according to Imbrugno's research, is Selma Plateau in Oman, specifically Majilis al-Jinn, which translates as Meeting Place of the Jinn. Although this is likely a name given by recent explorers to the region, a huge cave that has to be entered by lowering oneself from one of the entrances on the ground. Just to give an idea of how large the cave is, the Great Pyramid of Giza would easily fit inside its main chamber. Although it was not until the early 1980s when it became known to the outside world, those who lived in the vicinity were well aware and cautious of its history and presence. Imbrugno would manage to secure a visit to the cave while in Saudi Arabia. His friend, Jack, arranged for a guide to ensure safe passage to the country, Captain Yarmish. They would make the short flight across the border before a car arrived to make the short trip to the town of Finns in the eastern Hujar Mountains. There, a local family with the cave system would act as their guide. They would arrive in the afternoon with plans to explore the cave the following day. During the rest of the evening, though, Imbrugno would speak to as many locals as he possibly could. Almost all were convinced of the genuine presence of the Jinn. One person in particular appeared to authenticate the revelations the Saudi Royal had told him the previous evening. The person in question not only claimed to have seen a Jinn himself, but the governments of the United States and Oman were also aware of their presence. What's more, they were actively trying to deal with them. This instantly made Imbrugno's ears pick up somewhat. When he asked the local to explain more, he would only state that soldiers, both Omani and American, had told him that they were tracking Jinn. What is perhaps interesting, especially from a UFO researcher's perspective, is that the local claimed he was told this information while being questioned at an apparent secret mountain military base after the soldiers learned of his encounter. Furthermore, he was warned not to speak to anyone of the interrogation or of his Jinn encounter. The following morning, Imbrugno would finally arrive at the cave in question. However, when it came time to descend into it, his guides suddenly declared that he must go alone. They weren't willing to enter the cave. As he began his descent, however, he noticed a strange mist rising upward. It could have been anything he considered. Then he heard what he thought was the sound of human voices speaking Arabic. At this stage, he ceased descending and viewed his surroundings. He noticed that the mist appeared to take on a large form just below me. He further noticed that the mist had a strange glow to it, one that didn't come from the sun. Then he heard the voice again, only now it was speaking English. He distinctly heard the words leave my place. At the same time, he could hear the voices of his two guides above. He would write, although I couldn't understand what they were saying, one word was clear, Jinn. He hauled himself out of the cave and then ran towards the guides who were approaching their waiting vehicle. He finally caught up and asked what was happening. The reply was clear, didn't you see it? It was a Jinn taking form and telling us to get out of this place at once. Embrogno had indeed witnessed something strange, but wasn't absolutely certain of what it was. His guides, however, were in no doubt. Although Embrogno wished to venture back to the cave again for a second look, each of the guides refused and all three of them left the area immediately. An intriguing afternote to the incident is that the cave system in question was opened up to the general public a short time after Embrogno's encounter. It would go on to see thousands and thousands of people visit the site. Then in 2008, access to the cave was suddenly revoked under the reason of safety concerns, whether any other reasons forced the closure remains up for debate. We mentioned that we would return to the theories and claims of reptile entities and some of the similarities between them and the Jinn. We'll do that next on Weird Darkness. I'm a man of habits. Truth be told, my bride says I'm boring. I like the same stuff, and that's what I stick with, and that includes what I eat. Even for breakfast, I used to opt for a leftover pizza, hot dogs, hamburgers. Did I mention pizza? 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If we remind ourselves of the details that Imbrogno picked up during his brief trip to Oman of the military wanting to obtain technical devices of the Jinn that allowed them to walk through walls, he notes of an account told to Rosemary Ellen Giley years after the trip. According to Imbrogno, a source informed Giley of an encounter that they had had with two reptilian entities. The incident occurred in New Mexico in the United States. What was intriguing about the encounter was the belts these reptilian creatures wore, which enabled them to pass through walls. Might this suggest a direct connection between reptilians and the Jinn? There are also other details that the two entities share. For example, they require a physical form in order to eat or drink. However, it is the consumption of energies, souls, that fully nourishes them. They essentially drain a person of his or her life force. They can also feed on emotions, at times influencing them so that they extract the emotion they require. Many researchers into reptilian entities make the same claims. Some depictions of the Jinn are even reptilian-like, specifically those referred to as red Jinn. According to Giley's research, these particular Jinn usually take on a reptilian form, and what's more, they are responsible for possession, illness, and hauntings. Furthermore, many believe that red Jinn are responsible for alien sightings and all forms of paranormal phenomena. Giley continues that red Jinn are the true terrorists of the universe, continuing that they whisper in the ears of men and women in order to influence their actions and even do their bidding. Even more disturbing, they collect human souls, often in return for granting favors or wishes to humans. These are intriguing thoughts. Such claims could and often are used by researchers who believe there is a reptilian conspiracy of disturbing entities looking to enslave and ultimately destroy humanity. Many claims, for example, state that reptilians often possess key individuals in important positions so as to divert the workings of the world in their favor. There are also claims of how these reptilian creatures feed on emotions in order to maintain strength in our world. And we might also consider that many people who claim to have had close encounters with grey aliens often recall some kind of reptilian element that they often can't quite explain. As outlandish as the notion of reptilians might sound, the similarities are certainly interesting in the extreme. We've touched on the crossover with apparent alien creatures and alien abductions. However, even sightings of UFOs to some present some intriguing connections to the Djinn. However, before we move on to the UFOs themselves, we might also consider once more the legends of the Djinn that claim they whisper in the ears of humans in order to communicate with them and influence their decisions. Many people who claim to have undergone alien abduction almost always speak of hearing voices in their head, something that most researchers take to be a form of telepathic communication. Might, though, it be another detail that should alert us to the potential presence of the Djinn. We might also consider that many UFO sightings are not close up with intricate recollections of a definite solid machine-based vehicle, although many such encounters are on record. A great many UFO sightings feature balls or orbs of light which then go on to change shape as they move against the sky. Once more, might these apparent UFOs actually be the morphing plasma of a Djinn? While we should caution once more that such thoughts do not suggest that all UFO sightings can be explained as the Djinn, some of the orbs or glowing morphing objects are certainly worthy of extra study. We noted that connections to sightings of the shadow people are of particular interest, especially as they appear in recent years to be increasing. When we consider that many experts on the Djinn claim that alleged sightings with them also appear to be increasing, and perhaps when we consider that there is a significant crossover of interest between encounters with shadow people and those who are victims of alien abduction. If we turn our attention to the research of Rosemary Giley once more, she determined that sightings and encounters with shadow people are perhaps most likely to have a direct connection with the Djinn. She would note how they often appear in a person's home in the middle of the night, something which is a characteristic of the Djinn. They also often appear in very specific locations, ones that we would label as haunted. However, it might be that these locations act as portals where what might prove to be Djinn are leaving and entering our world. What's more, they appear and disappear in a moment. Even the appearance of the shadow people is of interest. On some occasions, the forms are very much human, even appearing to be wearing clothes such as a long coat or even a hat. On other occasions, though, the strange shadowy presences are in a very definite black mist, often described as blacker than black, but that doesn't take a definite shape. Might this be the plasma or smokeless fire of Djinn legend? It's the conclusion of Giley that the shadow people appear to have an agenda of monitoring or watching humans, once inviting comparisons with alien abduction encounters. Some of the theories in alien abduction circles suggest that these hands-on reconnaissance missions have an end goal that's likely to involve some kind of hybridization with humanity, perhaps in order to overtake the earth as the dominant force. Many legends of the Djinn believe that it's their intent to regain their once-dominant existence on earth. Such possibilities, however unlikely, should perhaps concern us all. It's clear that we have not the room nor the time to fully explore the legends of the Djinn, and whether they connect much more directly to various aspects of the paranormal including hauntings, alien abduction, and even reptilian entities. It seems clear, however, that there is certainly a reason for continued research into such matters. What might it mean for humanity as a whole if the legends of the Djinn did have some truth to them? And more urgently, what their apparent presence in our modern world might lead to? As well as forcing us to reevaluate a lot of what we think we know now, it would also force us to do the same with aspects of our collective existence that we have very little understanding of. Are aliens and the Djinn one in the same entity? Or might matters be even more blurred with each existing in their own right, with one or both emulating the other's appearance? A study of the paranormal world would not be possible without including the legends and apparent encounters of the Djinn, as well as how they might connect to our collective reality. When Weird Darkness returns, a fascinating and in some way sad story of a four-year-old, not because of anything that has happened to the child, at least not in this life, but the girl remembers working at the Twin Towers on 9-11. But first, if you grew up in the 70s in North Carolina, you might remember a strange man who earned the moniker The Goatman. So well known, he even had a book and a song written about him. 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Weird Dark Roast coffee does not actually knock on your door because it doesn't have arms or hands, so if you hear knocks at the door and no one answers when you ask who it is, it's probably paranormal and you should just leave the door shut and locked. Reno Bailey, the creator of the website Remember Cliffside, recalls from childhood a man who used to pass through town with a wagon pulled by goats and made money by taking photographs of children posed in his wagon. Bailey described how his young imagination has added a few details to the goat man's biography. In his mind, the itinerant goat herder was a Nazi spy taking photographs of the town's power plant and other installations. Of course, as an adult, Bailey learned that the goat man was not a spy. Instead, he was a man who traveled the South's back roads with his goats and occasionally some two-legged companions preaching and living off the land and the kindness of strangers. I probably wouldn't have given the story much more thought if I hadn't come across a couple of postcards of goat man in the North Carolina Postcards online collection. If you want to see them, I'll link to the photos in the show notes. I figured if there were postcards of the goat man and if he drew such large crowds when he preached, then somebody must have written about him. Heck, I thought maybe there's even a Wikipedia page about him. Indeed, there is. There's also a book and a song about the goat man whose real name was Charles Chess McCartney. According to several biographies on the web, including one in the New Georgia Encyclopedia, McCartney was born on an Iowa farm in 1901. At the age of 14, he left home and headed for New York City. There, he met and eventually married a Spanish woman who had a knife-throwing act. McCartney, who was allegedly 10 years his wife's junior, served as her knife-throwing target. When the couple had a son, they left the city and began a life of farming. The depression hit the couple hard and McCartney searched for other work. In 1935, McCartney was injured while cutting timber as part of a Works Progress Administration project. Some accounts suggest that a tree fell on him and several hours elapsed before he was found. According to these stories, McCartney was pronounced dead and taken to a mortuary. As the undertaker inserted a needle with embalming fluid into his arm, McCartney stirred and woke. Whether because of this supposed near-death experience or for other reasons, McCartney underwent a religious reawakening. He hitched up a wagon to a team of goats and accompanied by his wife and son, he took to the road preaching. Wearing goat skin clothes fashioned by his wife, McCartney called for sinners to repent or face eternal damnation.  Eventually, McCartney's wife tired of the itinerant life and she left, taking their son with her. McCartney continued his travels, inspired, he said, by Daniel Defoe's Robinson Crusoe and the Bible, two books he always carried with him. Along the way, McCartney married two more times and may have fathered several more children. At some point, his son, Albert Jean, joined him on the road. McCartney established a base in Twiggs County, Georgia, calling his home the Free Thinking Christian Mission. From there, he continued his travels, claiming to visit all of the lower 48 states as well as Alaska and Canada during almost 50 years on the road. Although he eventually foresoaked goat skin clothing for denim overalls, his fiery sermons and eccentric appearance left strong impressions on those whom he encountered. Flannery O'Connor mentioned the goat man in letters and may have incorporated some of his ways into her characters. It is believed that Cormac McCarthy's novel, Suttery, includes a character based on McCartney. McCartney retired from the road in the late 60s or early 70s, shortly after a mugging during which three of his ribs were broken and two goats killed. When his mission building burned in 1978, McCartney and his son moved into a broken down school bus. He made one last road journey in 1985 where he set out on foot towards Los Angeles in hopes of meeting and marrying the actress Morgan Fairchild. After a mugging on that trip, he returned to Georgia and lived in a nursing home until his death at the age of 97 in 1998. Responding to a TikTok which said, Tell me a time when your child told you a past life story, Riss White opened up about a disturbing account given by her young daughter a couple of years ago. On September 11, 2018, Riss had been scrolling through social media and came across some 9-11 memorial posts. One of these posts showed an image of the Twin Towers, which appeared to strike a familiar chord with her four-year-old daughter. The little girl pointed to one of the towers. Riss believes it was the North Tower and said, Hey mom, I used to work there. When Riss asked her when this was, her daughter simply responded, Before. And that is when the story got freaky. Here's the recording of Riss telling her story. So on September 11, 2018, my daughter was four years old and I was scrolling through my Facebook and there was some 9-11 memorial posts and she just so happened to see the Twin Towers on one of them. So she points to one of the towers. I think it was the North Tower and she said, Hey mom, I used to work there. And I was like, when? She's like before. And she said that one day she was working and the floor got really hot. So she stood on her desk because the floor was too hot. And she said that her and her friends were trying to get through the door, but they couldn't open the door. So she jumped out the window and flew like a bird. Mind you, Bella has never heard about 9-11 before. Whether or not you believe in past lives, this video cannot help but draw a shutter. And many of those who have watched it have shared similarly strange statements made by their own children. One woman recalled, When one of my kids was three, she randomly turned to me and said, Hey mommy, remember that time I was an old lady and got hit by a car and died? Another mother commented, My daughter is four and has told me so many times that her and two other girls fell in water and sank to the bottom then fell asleep and now she's here. There are many different theories as to why kids often speak of memories of past lives. With many people believing the suggestible nature of children's brains means that they are more susceptible to false memories. However, there are those who believe there is more to it. Speaking with the San Francisco Chronicle in 2006, medical director of the Child and Family Psychiatric Clinic at the University of Virginia, Jim Tucker spoke about his beliefs that reincarnation could exist. Tucker, who has taken case studies of past life memories and attempted to verify them, said, If it's a case where the statements aren't verified, then it may well just be a fantasy. Like the boy who said, I used to drive a big truck. If you've got one where the children have made numerous statements about another life that is quite some distance away, including proper names and everything else and it all checks out, then unless you're going to say it's all one heck of a coincidence, you can't really just blame all of that on fantasy. In a blog post for the University of Virginia, Tucker recommended that parents be open to what their children are reporting, noting that some children show a lot of emotional intensity regarding these issues, and so parents should be respectful in listening, just as they are with other topics. Thanks for listening. If you like the show, please share it with someone you know who loves the paranormal or strange stories, true crime, monsters or unsolved mysteries like you do. You can email me anytime with your questions or comments at darren at weirddarkness.com, Darren's D-A-R-R-E-N, and you can find me on Facebook, Twitter, Instagram and more, along with the show's Facebook group on the Contact Social page at WeirdDarkness.com. All stories in Weird Darkness are purported to be true unless stated otherwise, and you can find source links or links to the authors in the show notes. Jyn, Terrors of the Universe, was written by Marcus Louth for UFO Insight. Remember, The Goat Man is by John Blythe for the University of North Carolina, and Reincarnated after 9-11 was written by Julia Bannum for Unilad. Weird Darkness Theme by Alibi Music Background music in this episode provided by Audio Blocks with paid license. Weird Darkness is a production of Marlar House Productions. And now that we're coming out of the dark, I'll leave you with a little light. Jesus replied, What is impossible with men is possible with God. And a final thought, your journey will be much lighter and easier if you don't carry your past with you. I'm Darren Marlar. Thanks for joining me in the Weird Darkness.


So what we got for the beta sheet formation was that the barrier along this formation path in the transition state Looked this way, and in particular. We had the stability and the denominator What this will lead to is that we can you can insert that exactly the same way And so that the time is going to be proportional to some sort of constant tau Raised to and multiplied by an exponential raised to plus delta f. So then we get that entire person So the time of formation is going to be roughly Time constant tau raised to e plus f. So that will be minus two u Delta f beta divided by f beta That we can just write as some sort of time constant tau I'll introduce a constant for most of these things. So it's going to be an exponential raised to minus a Divided by f beta where a won't really depend on the amino acids, but we have the f beta here If I now We can draw the same plots as we did for alpha helix is here here We don't have the separate initiation cost, but this is for an entire sheet and this is a key difference compared to the alpha helix The alpha helix is kind of seeded at one place and then grows But for the beta sheet we need the entire beta sheet forming and that's going to give us Exactly these properties that we had for the phase transitions. In fact beta sheets are a phase transition It's an all-or-nothing transition We can't do the helix coil mixing that we did for the helix and it's also going to mean that you don't have this Temperature span over 5-10 degrees where they gradually form Depending on what the values of these f beta are you can either have things that pretty much never ever form beta sheets We can have things that will form beta sheets fairly quickly or we can have things that Well in principle, it's better to be longer than short But they're not yet so stable that it will be better to have a sheet than a coil But what will this one mean? Well Remember how fast the exponential function grows, right? And here we don't have a constant and you can also remember that solubility part And I also mentioned that some residues prefer to be in a helix versus some prefer to be in a coil and some prefer to be in a sheet if This were to vary between say minus 5 kT to plus kT or 10 kT You will have a very huge difference in span here and in fact It's an exponential, right? So if we just draw this some sort of stability here You might you might want to add a minus sign It depends on whether we say stable in beta sheet or stable in solvent and then we say what the time here would be If this is not very stable in a beta sheet This is going to be exponentially expensive and then if it's very stable in a beta sheet that can form very fast again, it comes directly out of this equation and This leads to the peculiar properties of beta sheets that some of them will form virtually instantly Remember what I said a single hairpin can form as fast as an alpha helix But if you have very large beta sheet that in particular contains some residues that they We can put them in a beta sheet, but they're not thrilled about being in a beta sheet It's just slightly better than being in an alpha helix This is going to be very close to zero and with this gets very close to zero You're gonna have an exponential that just explodes and then we're gonna have a time that just explodes So how long can those times be? Well for a single hairpin it could be just as fast as the helix microseconds But for some really unstable things here. We're talking about seconds minutes hours or maybe years Which led to something very interesting that we didn't know one through roughly 30 years ago


Thanks for joining us at WISIS Forum 2019 where we discussed the role of ICTs to empower women to take part in the digital economy. And my guest is Professor Ravi Chandran Krishnamurthy from NYIT, Abu Dhabi campus. Thank you very much for joining us, Professor. Good morning, Janet. And Professor, you are the director and founder actually of a program called Women Power International Foundation. It's a foundation you have created in India to help empower rural communities and women in particular. Yes, you are right. So this is founded in India to help the rural women in India because India has about 60% of rural population. So the women are struggling to market their products in India. So they produce a lot through some help from the government but they could not sell it. So I created an e-commerce portal to sell it worldwide their products in the international market. That's an idea. And it's all about boosting entrepreneurship and micro entrepreneurship in particular, isn't it? Yes, of course. See the basic idea for me since I'm an educationist I wanted to produce entrepreneurs basically. So that to women entrepreneurs because in the 2030 women's will exceed men in the world population. So to improve their skill levels I thought entrepreneurship will be the important thing for getting employment. So I started telling them entrepreneurship programs in the colleges to bring them entrepreneurship. Once they become an entrepreneur we are providing them skill development, we are providing finance for doing this project and also we purchase the products and sell it in the international market. So this is the total loop of this subject. So you are trying to create a sort of template to reproduce a model whereby women can empower themselves to become entrepreneurs. What are the main challenges they face in this journey? It's a tricky one, isn't it? Yes, the basic thing is first of all attitude. The women should think not for employment they should become entrepreneurs. The attitude has to be changed. So everybody who is studying in the colleges they think that they wanted to join a big MNC. But they don't want to become an entrepreneur. But because the society inside which we are living does not encourage entrepreneurship. This was the main challenge. So it's about raising awareness and changing mindset? It takes a long time to do that but basically I've started the framework now. I'm telling that you get ready as an entrepreneur that's enough. We will do all the job.  So this is the one help I can do from my side to do for the rural development for the village women basically. And from the conversation we've had previously another obstacle is possibly marketing your products. Yes, marketing a product may be an issue but what I focused is I go to a corporate and then say that okay you have plenty of women working here. Why can't you, these women can buy the women products? So that is the way I market in corporates now, even the governments now.  So by which they help one women to get more money. So that is the way I started this idea. Now successfully launched in India and also in UAE. We have a bilateral agreement where the women of UAE is putting their products inside. And women's of India is putting their products inside and we are selling in both the areas now. I've tied up with a lot of IT companies now to buy these products from their portals. A lot of women products are coming inside now, biodegradable products for women. A lot of products like makeup sets and everything which is homemade. So this is all coming on the line now. So you can check womenpower.org now.in which is a site for women's to buy their products. And finally, why was it important for you to attend Mrs. Forum? See the Mrs. Forum basically acknowledges the good researchers and also good projects. This gives you a mileage for me to market my products through the government and through the society also. It gives a brand for me at least a Mrs. gives me a brand. Now to tell me I am a nominated person in the Mrs. and I got an award in the Mrs. Forum. And also this is a body which supports all STGs of the UN. So this may be I think so. I've started now the journey. I don't know how the Mrs. Brand is going to help me. But it counts actually. I've seen from the last few days after my championship award was being nominated. I got a lot of calls from the government. I got a lot of calls from the local funders to encourage me actually. Something is in the limelight now. I don't know how far it would go actually. Fantastic. Professor Krishnamurthy, thank you very much. Thank you for this opportunity here. Good day.


This is Covering the Spread, part of the FanDuel podcast network. Time to wrap up week number 13 in the NFL on a very interesting note because we got the Buccaneers and Saints pretty tight spread for tonight. We're gonna break down our thoughts on that spread, let you know where we're seeing some valued FanDuel sportsbook and get you ready for Monday night by talking to Tom Vecchio. This is Covering the Spread right here on the FanDuel podcast network and numberfire.com. My name is Jim Sonnis. I am a senior writer and analyst for numberfire.com. Joined here as mentioned by Tom Vecchio. Check him out on Twitter at DFS underscore Tom Ryan Williams at the Bears game yesterday. So he's capitulating to Aaron Rodgers, I assume. Either way, Ryan will back with us on Thursday to break down the full NFL week 14 slate. But Tom, thank you for stepping in for today. How you doing? I'm doing good. Thanks for having me back. It was a good weekend. It's certainly shaping up to be a very interesting game tonight. I'm ready to go. Yeah, I'm excited about this one. I have a box three and a half ticket. It's moved against me. Based on the way this year has gone, maybe that's a good omen because it's been very odd. Got a couple points in movement on the cheese. Bengals over, that one pushed. Got some decent movement on Giants Moneyline. That one pushed. It's been a weird week. So I'm excited to see how this one plays out. I'm going to wind up somehow pushing three and a half. I don't, that's not possible, but we're going to find a way. It just feels like destiny at this point. We'll talk about that market movement. Talk about the traditional markets and the player props in this game. In just a bit, but first, a reminder to make sure you are subscribed to covering the spread wherever you get your podcast because we have more World Cup coverage coming on this week. 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What's your overall view of this game? Well, first off, I want to say you crushed that ad read, especially at the ending there, because I've done that same ad read in the same ending countless times for us. It's a lot to get through, but- I didn't read through it beforehand. It was like surprised to see Maryland there.  Okay, we're adding a new state here. I also don't do it live. So if I mess up, I can just stop and go back and re-record things. It's actually a cool party trick. Like people be like, oh, what do you do for your job? I'm gonna go and talk.  And I'm like, okay. The only thing I can do as like a podcast voice is read the gambling help numbers, which is probably weird, but maybe it's helpful for someone. So I don't know. The intro, the outro, like that is, I had to like memorize perfectly down pat with everything. Yeah, so I just saw people with the gambling help lines. I mean, again, it can serve two purposes. Maybe someone needs those lines, that's great. That's what they're there for. And it can get me out without having to think of something on the fly. It's great. Huge party help. But back to tonight's game. Like you said, this is an important matchup for the Bucks. So, you know, moving forward for them to win the division, like their path looks pretty clear, especially because they end the season playing the Falcons and the Panthers. So like I see this as kind of like a no nonsense game, you know, bad game last week against the Browns. They need to rebound. So a slower, you know, controlled offense, just like not taking any risks, just like do the right thing to win this game because they needed to win the division. You know, they don't need to blow them out. They don't need to run up the score. They just need to win this game. So that's how I'm looking at it. Like we always try and take, at least at this point in the season, I try and take a step back and say, okay, we need to start looking at things from like a real life football perspective. Like who actually has motivation to win? What do they need to do? Because those are the teams that I want to kind of lean on in certain circumstances. And this would be a clear one because if they secure this, they're in a pretty good spot to win the division.  Their defense has been super solid this year. Go with that. If they lose, if the Bucks lose, they would have a five and seven record. The Falcons and the Saints would both be five and eight. So it could be a five and seven with two teams of five and eight directly behind them. The Panthers are four and eight. So lurking right there as well. This has the potentially the most hilarious division of all time, but I agree with you. So I think that one thing that you touched on was disappointment last week for the Buccaneers because when I look at my numbers relative to expectation, that was their worst game since week three, I believe, by a decent margin because they were, there was some wind in that game. Maybe that played a role, but like I thought they'd be in a pretty good spot there against the Browns and they came out completely flat. Mike Evans looked weird. I don't know. I don't know the right way to like say that, but like he looked odd. It didn't look like they were clipping along. And so that matters. And that is in my numbers. Their underperformance last week does ding them by my numbers, but I still see a lot of value in the Bucks here. Three point favorites, especially once you're getting now a push on three, which again, I had a three and a half, so whatever. But you're getting a push on three. Total is 41 and a half. You think that they are gonna try to keep this game controlled, sounds like potentially try to keep it low scoring. So I've got Bucks minus three based on where the market currently stands. What's your read on the more traditional markets here? I would also lean with the Bucks on this one. The overrunner, I think, I've been leaning on a ton of wonders this year. And I know a lot of people will go back and look at the Bucks Saints matchup since Brady has been there.   Well, it's like, well, the other games that they did score just as many points and Brady's going for like 300 yards and multiple touchdowns. So I don't like cherry picking like previous stats just to validate my point for today's game. But if we look throughout this season, at least the Bucks and the Saints are both leaning heavily towards the under, at least the Bucks are. They're two and nine against the under this year and combined with the feelings that I have for this from a real life football perspective, I would certainly lean on the under. The question I have for you is, you said you have them at three and a half, would you go to three as well? No, I don't typically do that unless, unless I feel like the market is actually wrong here, it's possible I'm wrong. And I don't want to double down when I'm wrong. And especially with the moving from three and a half to three, that's an impactful move. And you know, Vita Vaya, I think he's gonna play. He's questionable. He got into limited practice this week. That means I'm assuming he'll play. Maybe I'm misreading that situation. Antoine Winsfield is not gonna play. Maybe I'm undervaluing him, stuff like that. So I have a decent edge on three because I have this as 5.68 in one model and 4.71 in the other. That's a pretty good amount where I was okay taking it at three and a half. Talked about the show there. But now getting it at three, it's like, if you haven't bet it yet, I would take it. I feel good enough about my numbers to say, if you have not bet it yet and want action on this game, I'd be very comfortable taking the three. I just don't want to double down myself when I potentially have misread this and potentially double my losings on a game that I may have potentially misread. Right. And I also think that we have to take into account, like the Bucks defense is actually really good. Yeah. Both offenses are bad. And I think that the range of outcomes that we've seen from Andy Dallin and the Saints offense overall has been super inconsistent. They went through that stretch against the Seahawks, the Bengals, the Cardinals and the Raiders where they actually put up like some good points. Right. They like Andy Dallin throwing for 300 plus yards in one of those games, going for multiple touchdowns. Like, okay, they actually have like a competent offense. And then in the past few weeks, it's been terrible. And people are calling for James Winston to get in there because they have to change something. You know, at least the deep ball for like Priscilla Lave could be there with Winston. So due to that variance and due to the fact that both offenses are in the bottom 10 of the league for the fewest points scored, I would lean on the under. Not because of the past results in these Bucks Saints, not cherry picking those. I'm looking at this year specifically. So trends are like super touchy for me because you can kind of find whatever you want to fit whatever narrative you're trying to push. So I don't go back three, four years but like, oh, it was a prime time game to hit the under. So that means we have to hit the under today. It's like, no, both offenses are bad this season. That reminds me. I bet on Tom Narrative in the sleepy Tom Narrative. Oh, geez. The fact that it's a night game and he's older. Yeah, it's sleepy Tom Narrative. I'm more on, I forgot about that, you know? Just, you know, let's, I would lay, you know, Saints minus 16 now at this point because I just realized sleepy Tom Narrative is in play. This is not actual analysis. I feel the need to make that clear. I'm not actually saying this, but now you talked about, you said lean. Would you actually bet these or is it more just to lean for you? No, I would actually bet the Bucks at minus three now that it's moved past three and a half.  And obviously the key number changing those are very important things. Certainly like three a lot better than three and a half. So, you know, between now and the, between now and game time, I'll probably be on the Bucks at three. Yeah. It's also only minus one away to Fandal on the three. So that's intriguing, but it's been steady at one away. It's like, don't think it'll move more unless we get a weird situation. Like that Raiders Chargers game yesterday, like it got insane. How much things move towards the Raiders late in that one. We could see that again here towards the Saints, but I've pretty, I doubt that quite a bit. Let's talk to you about some player props. We don't have any rushing props posted for Leonard Fournet and Rashad White. I'm assuming that's because Fournet is still listed as questionable. He's probably going to play, but I didn't want to talk to you, Tom, because by the time people listen to this, they may be up. So I want to get your overall read. What do you think this backfield looks like with Fournet and White both healthy and any other Bucks props you like for tonight? So the Fournet White situation is really interesting because White has really started to pop over the past few weeks. Obviously Leonard Fournet hasn't been healthy. So initially I would lean towards and go with once they're posted probably Fournet unders because White has been so strong. I also think it depends on the game script on ultimately how much Fournet will be used because if this does turn into a blowout because the Bucks defense is great and the Saints offense is terrible, they will simply rest Fournet because again, taking a step back and looking at it from a real life football perspective, they're gonna want him healthy to close out the season. They're not gonna want to push him when he's coming back from an injury and Rashad White has been actually good. So if I'm assuming Fournet's number is gonna be in the 50s or 60s for his rushing prop, probably somewhere around there. I would bet it's a little bit lower just because they've been selling efficient running the ball this year and there is the possibility of a split. So I would bet it opens up a little bit lower, but... Yeah, I mean, I think like let's say 45. Okay. I don't know. I think that there will be, actually I don't even know if they'll post Fournet honestly but I think they'll be pretty low because he's coming off an injury and because we have this potential for a split. Okay, so 45, let's call it 45 and a half. I would still lean with the under just because of how bad they're a super high pass rate team and this is one of the things I've been going with a lot this year are great passing attempts. They weren't posted the last night, they got posted this morning, it's at 40 and a half. Outside of this game against the Seahawks a couple weeks ago, you look back at his game lock and he is routinely passing over 40 attempts, almost every single game at a very high volume just because they're one of the highest pass rate teams in the league. So Fournet not being fully healthy has been leaning on his unders. Rashad White I'd be interested in maybe combined rushing plus receiving prop. And then Brady over passing attempts. 40 and a half is certainly a lot, but the Saints are like bottom half, bottom 10 in the league or so, they're bottom 14th, we're the 14th most receiving the largest wide receiver. So I think this is an exploitable spot for the passing offense. Yeah, I think that with the Lenny ones, I'd be looking specific, so I tend to live in the rushing plus receiving market because I want the multiple paths to an either an over or an under. With the Lenny one I'd stick specifically to the rushing because it seems like they do like him as a pass catcher. And in that game where he and Rashad White were both playing, that Seattle game, White didn't have a target. I believe he ran a decent number of routes, but not like a ton. I think that if they were to use Lenny, I feel like they'd be more likely to do that as a pass catcher as weird as that may sound. He's actually not been bad in that realm this year. He's been better there than as a rusher. So I would look specifically at the rushing yardage number for Fournet and end that with White. You could potentially look at the rushing yardage on the same thought process, but I also still do like the multiple paths to an over. So I would go rushing plus receiving with him who are looking at him over with Lenny specifically. I'm looking rushing specifically under the thought process. He could be used to kind of like that. Nickel third down back. Let's flip over and talk about the Saints here quick because they're a bit more steady. They struggled though, and that's kind of the key issue. So we know kind of who's getting the ball, but they also have not been good. So any props standing out for you on the same side? That would be Camero over 26 and a half receiving yards. Just because I'm expecting the Bucks to be in control of this game, it should set up for a positive passing game script. His usage has been, I don't know if inconsistent is even the right word this year, like to put it how inconsistent he's been used on a week to week basis where he looks great some weeks, he looks horrible. Their offense looks horrible some weeks. They simply have to get him involved because he's arguably still their best player on offense. And with the Bucks bringing a good amount of pressure, I expect Dalton to have to get the ball out quickly. So Camero over 26 and a half. This is a prop that hopefully Camero could probably get to in the first half alone. At least if they have some competency on offense. So I like that. I will touch on Mike Evans. If we flip back real quick, over 16 and a half receiving yards, I think that's interesting for multiple reasons. There's obviously this whole narrative going up against March on Lattimore and he struggles against him. Like I'm of the belief that quarterbacks try to keep their star wide receivers happy. And Mike Evans has less than 50 yards in three straight games. He does have a TD since week three. And obviously like I say this with a little bit of Jess because like we all know the narrative like the squeaky wheel narrative that like wide receivers are like, certainly elite wide receivers are like a unique breed in the NFL. And they have big egos, they want the ball. But Mike Evans is playing a big role for them. And he has been really underproducing as you mentioned at the start of it against the Browns. Like he didn't look like himself. He really has been putting up, big numbers in recent weeks. So I love the matchup because the Saints are so bad against wide receivers. Like I said, allowing the 14th most receiving yards. But going up against Latin more like there's a factor here that we have to bring into account that like, there's what like a more than a 5% chance or more than, I don't know, 1% chance that he gets ejected. Then he gets ejected. Like that's not something I normally have to account for a handicap. So I do believe that like Brady should getting involved. He has a 20.5% target share and he has 36.4% in air yards market share among the bucks. Like those are awesome numbers. 18% red zone target share. And he's just not getting involved. Right. Well, I think the important thing too is that like Latin more is not fully healthy. So like if it's a fully healthy March on Latin more facing Mike Evans, that's one thing. But Latin more has not played since week five. I think he's going to play tonight cause you did get in three limited sessions throughout this week. But that also means he was not full. He is listed as questionable. Those things are both negatives and he hasn't played since week five. So there are a lot of negatives against March on Latin more here that are downgrading him from what he typically would be. I think that that's enough where you look at the Mike Evans number. And if you want to bet Mike Evans, I bet it before we get news about March on Latin more cause like he could be ruled out. That could happen. That's in the range of hours. Obviously him not playing recently. That's certainly within, but it's just, it's within like it's feeding into multiple things. Like they need to have, you know, one of their or, you know, their second best or their number one receipt or obviously between him and God when they need to have more involved and he has been producing as of late. This is a great matchup because they're secondary is terrible. Outside of the lot, the Latin more news, even if he was fully healthy, like this is still a good matchup. Can we account for Latin more being a great shutdown corner and having this history of them, you know, potentially getting ejected? Yes, I think we have to actually factor that in for the first time, something that don't normally do for cornerback wide receiver matchups. I feel like they got to work that out. Like let's just talk it out.  Let's figure this out. But I don't, it's, it's really weird for sure. Now the Camara one while we're talking has moved to 28 and a half for receiving yards. Is that high enough where you're off? Because I feel like there's still value there based on what he's been doing. The one counterpoint with Mark Ingram likely back for this game. Maybe you get worried, but I feel like that'd be more of like an early down grinder kind of situation for Ingram versus a taking past catching work out of Camara's hands. I still think 28 and a half is fine. Yeah, I would, 30 is probably the line for me. Sure, okay. I mean, opening up at 26 and moving at 30 would be a pretty big jump. Yeah. But at 28 and a half, I would certainly still go there. It's sitting a minus, what is it? Minus one, 13. Yeah. Yeah, I would still go with over 28 and a half. Yeah, just. I much prefer it at 26, but. Yeah, just be picky. You know, once you pull up your sports book, if it's moved higher than that, be picky. But 28 and a half, I think that's still a fine number. Okay, touchdown props. I have an unhinged one that I'll ask you about, but I wanna ask you about yours first. I think I'm gonna take it, can I take a guess? Yeah. Adam Troutman. No, what's he at? He's at plus, I saw him at plus 400 last night. Joanne Johnson's ruled out. No, we're at double that.  No. Oh man. Higher longer than that. Well, not Kyle Rudolph. No, gosh, no, I respect myself, Tom. Come on. I know it's December. We got the Rudolph narrative in play, but no. Not Geo, but no, I mean. No. Hit me with it then. Rashid Shahid is eight to one. Rashid Shahid has played 49% and 53% of the snaps to pass two games for the Saints. He is a deep ball kind of guy and get down the field. I think I'd probably rather go 36 to one first touchdown for Rashid Shahid. I live in Rhode Island, which means I bet at a monopolized sports book and the monopolized sports book, which hates customers, does not even offer Rashid Shahid touchdown props. And I'm very sad about this. I want, and I don't want to drive to Connecticut. Sorry, Tom, I don't want to drive to Connecticut. So I'm gonna live vicariously through you. Can I, can I tempt you into a Rashid Shahid anytime touched on eight to one or first touchdown 36 to one for tonight? Eight to one, absolutely. We had the first touchdown, what was it again? It was the Arizona game. Yeah. Yeah, 53 yard bomb. Right, right, right. So I mean, yeah, if he's that deep ball threat opposite Chris Alave, that's certainly gonna be in play. And again, first touchdown, no. That's obviously just like a kind of like a lottery ticket dart throw, which is certainly fine. But Rashid Shahid for eight to one, I could certainly be on board with that. Okay. Which ones are you looking at? Because I think that one, like I said, is a little bit unhinged. Right. Adam Troutman has now moved to plus 480. It was 400 last night. I think it's good. Joanne Johnson has been ruled out. Troutman should be the starting tight end for them. The books are pretty good against tight ends, but it should still be a passing, a pass catching role. And Troutman's been with them for a few years. We know they at least liked to use him in a red zone, get him red zone targets. I specifically remember things that came from last year, the year before they were at Philadelphia. He brought in a touchdown. So like there is some usage for him in the red zone within the Saints offense. Again, you can make the case for Mike Evans at plus now, what plus 155 is certainly okay. Outside of that, I'm not seeing a whole lot that I love. Godwin is at plus 180, which I think is a pretty big number, especially for plus 180 for a receiver that has the highest market share on the team is always interesting. Normally we see that line around plus 110. I mean, the Vante Adams yesterday was like minus 140 for a touchdown. But anytime you get plus 180 on a dominant receiver in the offense in a good matchup, it is a spot that I'm pretty comfortable going. With the Evans one, would you prefer the anytime touchdown at plus 155, or would you prefer to go with the receiving yardage number at 60 and a half? Saying this now without the Latin War news, receiving or the touchdown? I would probably go receiving, just because receiving he has to get there independent of the game script. I also prefer receiving yards over total receptions because you can get receiving yards literally in one play. Especially with him, like you're getting downfield low. That's what you're buying. Right, he has a 13.2 A dot, he has a 36.4% of yardage for the box. So he can get 60 plus yards on literally one reception. He can't get five receptions on one reception. It sounds like you prefer Godwin over Evans for the anytime touchdown. Right now they're receiving Godwin at plus 180. I'll certainly take him at plus 180. Evans over receiving. Troutman, little sprinkle on him at plus 480 now. And no Shaheed, rude. Well, I might have to now just because I can take that eight to one and since you can't bet it, like that. Yeah, I'm gonna live through you. I'm not mad. They don't offer anything longer than Brady at plus 850 and it's like, why am I here? Brady's plus is 17 to one. Yeah, I'm not doing that anyway. But I think, yeah, it's a weird, anyway, I need to move. I'm moving, so that'll help, but we'll figure that on later on. Any other things you want to note from this game, Tom, as far as props to stand out to you? You know, kicker props are always pretty interesting just because especially in prime time games, we do see a lot of field goals. I don't think it's out of the realm of possibility that the Tampa Bay defense scores the touchdown tonight as well. Okay, Tampa Bay defense touchdown is plus 850 longer than Rashid Shaheed. Very disappointing that they are putting Shaheed shorter than that. Anyway, that is Tom Vecchio. Check him out on Twitter at DFS underscore Tom. You can check out Tom doing a lot of NBA work over on Number Fire and doing the Daily ISO, our Daily Fantasy Basketball podcast over on the Number Fire Daily Fantasy podcast. We're gonna have more Tom on the show talk. NBA props once NFL slows down a bit. So Tom will be hearing more from you later on, but good luck for you tonight. Enjoy the football, enjoy the basketball. We'll talk to you once again soon. Thanks for having me. All right, check out Tom again on Twitter at DFS underscore Tom. I am on Twitter at Jim Sonnis. Want to thank you all for tuning in. 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