Proudly we hail from New York City where the American stage begins here is another program with a cast of outstanding players public service time has been made available by this station for your army and your Air Force to bring you this story as proudly we hail the United States Army our story is entitled the tornado it is the story of M.A.R.S. military affiliate radio system and the dedicated man who proudly serve our first act curtain will rise in just a moment but first young man if you're interested in continuing your education here's important news for you the senior service of our armed forces your United States Army urgently needs qualified technicians to operate and maintain the many kinds of equipment that science has brought into being and right now men are being trained in wonderful fields like radio radar meteorology mechanics photography and others and this training is given by the finest technical training schools in the world yes here's an excellent opportunity for you young men with intelligence and ambition your opportunity to start a career for yourself not only for now but for when you get back into civilian life for full details visit your nearest recruiting office today and now your army and your Air Force present the proudly we hail production the tornado tuesday june 9th 1953 another day it is hot and humid but just another day five p.m. time to go home like any other day a long evening of relaxation to look forward to tomorrow will be cooler for sergeant Joe Murdock stationed at the Boston Army base it is the end of his duty hours time to jump into his car and drive to town for the evening out of long habit he tunes into his favorite radio station to keep him company as he rides leisurely along the highway and the United States Weather Bureau forecast clearing today with little change in temperature moving with mad fury and devastation trees have gone sailing Joe Murdock was equal to the emergency as a qualified ham radio operator he knew he would be needed he quickly turned his car around and headed for the radio shack back at his base it's murder Joe it's a steam rolling twister that's getting worse all the time it's gonna be rough swamped only 10 minutes since the tornado began we're getting messages maul over from relatives of people and Joe Joe your family lives in Worcester doesn't it wife and three kids see if I can get a message through well if I can help in any way thanks Steve we're on the emergency frequency right just switched it goes wish me luck number 14091710 from AL USA Mrs. Joseph Murdock 57B as a licensed M.A.R.S. operator Sergeant Joe Murdock tried to make contact with his wife in the stricken area of Worcester do you need help I can come M.A.R.S. stands for military affiliate radio system an organization of and for United States amateur radio operators interested in military radio communications activated in November 1948 to provide a complete radio network throughout the continental United States it is made available to military commanders of the armed forces in any local disaster or national emergency it is also available to the Red Cross or other agencies charged with emergency responsibilities in any area any luck Joe not yet well don't you worry nor will track them down if anybody can she's got her brother making phone calls all over the place trying to locate the people mentioned in the incoming messages well it's just too early to tell anything nor will be in their pitching for sure well I'm not the only fish in the sea lots of other people to think of beside myself for the next five hours Sergeant Joe Murdock and Corporal Steve Hamilton remain glued to their radios in the M.A.R.S. station bringing word from families in the tornado area to relatives all over the United States and inquiring about their welfare the tornado relentlessly takes its toll of life and property showing no distinction the M.A.R.S. operator serve unceasingly trying to break through the turmoil and lend their assistance wherever possible that gallon Seattle was plenty worried about a brother Joe just a minute Steve Casualty list is growing by the minute what about that parking lot 50 cars clobbered right down to the ground I knew this was coming power lines are down in most of the Worcester area they'll be depending on us more and more okay Steve I'll take it film march is handling the traffic up important all yours Joe I'll get hold of civil defense number seven seven zero nine two three three two Z from AL USA tornado area needs help of Red Cross and civil defense as soon as possible lines here in bad shape will you try relay stations to send messages by landline and radio the M.A.R.S. station was able to communicate with civil defense and Red Cross units to lend aid in the nightmare at Worcester communications were efficient and rapid organized to follow existing channels of command prescribed for the army and the Air Force your family Joe not yet I'm still hoping well it'll take a while before things get squared away look Joe why don't you get some shut eye huh you've been sitting at your radio for more than 10 hours now I'll stick around a little longer Steve all right but I'm going to hit the sack Luke and Harry will be here in a few minutes to relieve come on Joe come on you'll feel better look I'm groggy I feel fresh as a daisy oh you're kidding you're green with weariness Joe I know you're plenty worried so am I but believe me a little sleep will fix you up you'll feel better would you be able to sleep Steve yeah okay guess I see what you mean go ahead take off I'll do all right Roger see you later for the next seven hours Sergeant Joe Murdock kept relaying messages from people all over the nation to the hams on the air in Worcester most of the operators were forced off the air because of power failure now another urgent message came through requiring Joe to rely fully on his skill and experience as a ham operator Roger a to JJ why this is AL USA will go out still going strong Joe yeah you're just in time why what's up a 10 year old kid with infant or paralysis in bad shape they need an oxygen tent in a hurry I'll send out an urgent call to all stations you get the airport to have a plane stand by on the double Roger a number 117 priority 0100 852 from AL USA need oxygen tent for stricken boy in Worcester tornado area contact this station at once I say again need oxygen tent for stricken boy in Worcester tornado area contact this station at once over okay they're standing by with the plane that's it keep your fingers crossed Joe the plane will get there with the oxygen tent all right but will the kid be able to hold out we lose any time with everybody pulling in the same direction what about your wife Joe and the kids anything Nora keeps buzzing me every once in a while nothing yet isn't that the payoff helping out everybody but yourself well that's a consolation a guy who let his personal feelings get in the way of doing a job wouldn't be worth much well you're doing all right just wondering how I could stand up if I were in your boots more casualties no news is good news Joe what did you say Joe come on take a break you've been glued to that seat for nearly 24 hours man alive you've had it how you worry too much Steve I hope that kid comes out all right that oxygen tension just about be getting there you know Nora says he pitched on a little league baseball team had quite a fastball all right all right don't snow me all I'm asking is a favor take a couple of hours all right don't sleep if you don't want to as a favor to me as a favor to you Steve I'll stay the messages continued to pour in of every variety and description to remove an old lady in a wheelchair by helicopter to another town to contact the mother of a 14 year old boy who had gone on a trip for the day a soldier in Germany waited anxiously to hear news of his family more than 100 messages some official some semi-official some personal were sent and received doctors and off-duty nurses were summoned to hospitals off-duty police and firemen were called in for the M.A.R.S. operators there was no letter routine 0101344 Z from AL USA I'm still waiting honey we'll be there as soon as I can catch a plane lots of love don't worry sign Bob over how do you like that something hot yeah real hot guy in Milwaukee wants to know if his girl still loves him and does she well she was blown right to the top of a garage but she still loves him there's a girl is dependable guys probably told her he'd go through fire and water for her but never figured a tornado would be thrown in for good I'm glad the auto romance is still alive hey that is the first time you've cracked a smile since you got here I laugh once in a while never had anybody was me I'd probably be ready for the booby hatch by this time still looking I guess don't tell me that's all there was in that whole message the wife and kids got out of the apartment any reason why they shouldn't only apartments on the third floor last report say the building disintegrated they'll be okay I wish I had some definite work I'm sure they made it look I got 50 messages where the buildings collapse and the people just walked away without a scratch number seven seven I'll take it Joe have a smoke thanks Steve you are listening to the proudly we hail production the tornado will return in just a moment for the second act tired of the same old office routine okay gals now you can get away from it all join the women's Army Corps you can travel all over the world meet new friends see new places that's right in the women's Army Corps you can escape the humdrum routine of your present life visit exciting places in this country travel in Europe cross the blue Pacific cruise through the Caribbean make new friends among young men and women all over the world and you'll have plenty of leisure to enjoy those travels to you get a 30-day paid vacation each year plus many weekend passes why don't you join the whack yes visit your local United States Army recruiting station and talk it over with the friendly recruiting sergeant believe me you'll enjoy life more in the women's Army Corps you are listening to proudly we hail and now we present the second act of the tornado when an emergency arises all the military affiliate radio system operators are equal to the task of handling the flow of traffic smoothly and swiftly they are able to do so because M.A.R.S. is well organized into networks according to the requirements of appropriate military commanders long before a disaster is set in radio networks are established to provide scheduled drills and to allow the handling of live radio traffic correct radio operators procedure becomes second nature with practice it all adds up to learning the language of communications so that it is readily understandable to all the operators on the M.A.R.S. network through the merciless hours in the tornado rip town sergeant Joe Murdock never left his radio position in the gigantic effort to help frantic people searching out their loved ones the pace of the messages coming in from every corner of the globe never slacken out if Mr. and Mrs. John H. Harding of 425 Glendale Avenue they told me if I came here you might be able to help me my mother I try to locate her something might have happened I don't know I'll take it easy Corporal I'll do what I can for you I sit on relax thanks what's the story my mother she lives in Rutland it was hit bad I tried to get her by phone I was told you might be able to reach her by radio I'll take down a name Mrs. Jonathan Ferris she's in pretty good health except she had headaches every once in a while and I thought address 472 Clarence Avenue Rutland Steve huh see if you can contact the Corporal's mother in Rutland sure Joe hi Corporal is it all right if I wait here I'm kind of anxious well it shouldn't take too long here's the dope Steve all right a one ABC from ALUSA get an answer to your message well can't tell corporal maybe five minutes maybe 24 hours sergeant's been waiting here from his family for the last 27 hours gee that's rough yeah you're not kidding he hasn't left his radio and all that time how does he do it I don't know you tell me I can't figure it what am I kicking about I know my mother she'll take care of herself she's a pretty cool customer when there's trouble never loses her head shouldn't be too long now they've got the thing pretty well like I hope so this may be it now this is ALUSA Roger out your mother's okay Corporal you mean she's really all right that was a message she's fine oh thanks that's wonderful go on back to your barracks and wait there she probably phone you within the hour there's an emergency telephone lineup I don't know how I can thank you you too sergeant it's all part of the job glad to do it I hope you trace your family thanks Corporal so long he was really in a sweat wasn't that poor guy anything hot usual they got that oxygen turn over there in time the kid pulled through all great that's great no and Nora sent the message she took a personal interest in the kid she'd seen him play ball she said he has the makings of a big lead I can't kidding funny imagine Joe if he ever gets to play in the big leagues we can say we were responsible in a way it's a nice feeling Lexi Stoddard, Carl Dana, Laurence Harley over Casually list is thinned down to a whisper and they got every man woman and child pitching in to help out yeah makes you kind of think the human race is okay number two seven nine zero zero two three two nine C from ALJOT Mrs. Joseph Murdoch and children all okay in Armory children slept right through it all then love I say again Mrs. Joseph Murdoch and children all okay that night in you hear that did you yeah yeah Joe I'm as happy about it as you are they're okay it's a miracle Steve and that's all I can think of it's a miracle nice going Joe you know what I'm going to do in my next lead I'm going to pack the wife and kids in the car and go on a trip anywhere just so we're all together all together where I can reach out and touch them anytime I want won't that be something go to Yellowstone Grand Canyon drive right through the desert talking like a crazy kid go ahead Joe sound off it'll do you good you know Steve an awful feeling to be sitting here hour after hour your family's in trouble there's nothing you can do about it what do you mean nothing it's like having your neck in a noose the more you struggle the tighter it becomes I just stopped struggling Joe I still don't see how you did it I would have cracked up long ago I don't see how I did it either now listen you just kissed that little gadget you've been sitting in front of and take off your sack is waiting what kind of double talk you're giving me explain your radio savvy a radio 30 straight hours a full working day in any man's league so scrammy fool are you kidding my family's okay but how about other families kids far away from the relatives I'm sticking it out man is mad stark raving mad I'll take it what time is it oh 400 for the morning you know how corporal what are you doing here did did you get hold of your mother yeah she's fine I'm gonna see her tomorrow but I didn't come here to talk about my mother I'd like to ask a question Sergeant at four in the morning I was on guard duty just been relieved no fire away couple watching you fellas sweating it out here helping people out like you have been and enjoying what you've been doing I got the idea maybe I could become a member of ma RS looks interesting I can't think of a good reason why not can anybody join anybody in the armed forces are in the reserve and who has an amateur radio operators license how do you get one are there issued by the Federal Communications Commission I got a friend who's a ham operator I used to fool with his set a little but he's a civilian can he join ma RS to well sure of his over 16 and has an amateur radio operators license and a radio station that's a going concern I know he operates the station all the time but I never asked him if he's got a license well that's not all he's got to agree to operate according to the rules laid down by ma RS and he can't go forth he's got to meet scheduled drills and if he doesn't he can lose his membership if I become an ma RS member I'll be able to send messages to him and keep in touch all the time that'll be fun it's fun it's work to and something else you can't even describe once the bug gets you like me and Steve here you'll wonder how you ever existed without being a ham operator what you follow as a compass today is enough for me I'm going to put in for radio school first thing in the morning good luck corporate thanks Sergeant thanks a million how you doing Steve slow business they're already starting to rebuild the town fast work they got a job cut out for themselves here did I detect an M.A. RS recruit in the couple he's a goner can't wait to get started from A.L. J.O.T. I have a message for all stations I have a message for all stations for 36 consecutive hours Sergeant Joe Murdock stated his radio sending and receiving more than 300 messages as the mayor of Worcester so ably expressed it in my lifetime I've seen many disasters and hideous things but I've never seen an emergency better managed than here in Worcester there's been a minimum of panic the utmost efficiency and speed in an orderly way and much of the efficiency and speed in handling the large volume of radio traffic was due to the high degree of cooperation and maximum effort of the radio operators in the M.A. RS network in the very near future the Department of Defense plans expansion of M.A. RS to make it a more flexible radio communication service for use in local and national emergency M.A. RS gives information and technical advice in the fields of radio and electronics it plans to organize and operate emergency communications activities in connection with the civil defense program and finally M.A. RS will provide training facilities and inducements for individuals interested in radio communications and other electronic fields to ally themselves with the military affiliate radio system program you know in the last year and a half that I've been announcing radio and TV shows for the Army recruiting service I've had an awful lot of guys come up to me after a broadcast and say something like what a deal you've got for yourself in the army how did you ever swing a job like that well I can only tell them that in civilian life I was a radio and TV announcer and when I enlisted in the army they put me to work immediately in the same kind of work which sort of helps me to put over the point that when you volunteer for service in the United States Army today you can be sure that your best talents and natural skills will be considered in giving you an assignment to your liking yes today's modern army fits the right man to the right job now more than ever before men with above average ability are finding better jobs more important assignments in the United States Army so man if you've been wondering what the army has to offer you you the trained technician or specialist take a tip from me and visit your nearest U.S. Army recruiting station and get all the facts believe me you'll be glad you did this has been another program on proudly we hail presented transcribed in cooperation with this station proudly we hail is produced by the recruiting publicity center for the United States Army and United States Air Force recruiting service this is Mark Hamilton speaking inviting you to tune in this same station next week for another interesting story on proudly we hail


Growing up it's never too early to start thinking about what job field you want to go into. Julia Biler teaches a course that introduces students to what options they have in the workforce. So AVID is a class that's for college readiness, it's achievement via individual determination and part of that is a career exposure and so AFN with communications and marketing would be a good exposure. American Forces Network was one of the stops for the AVID class. Just learning what what opportunities are out there for them and in this field if communications is something that maybe they didn't know much about maybe something today here would trigger an interest in them and they can then pursue that. Nicholas Calerta is one student that had a curiosity of how AFN operates. When I was seven or eight I saw some stuff on YouTube and I saw how movies were kind of made. I kind of thought that was really cool being behind the camera. Reporting from NSA Naples this is petty officer Rashawn Jeffery.


Why don't we introduce yourselves? Hi, I'm Carol, I'm a working environment. I can talk for a little bit, I don't need, there I am. Hi, Abby Devlin, I'm Lauren, I'm the morning person meeting, so I don't know what else people like me to say at all. Well, what have you found? I'd like to get more involved in the need for that. Right. And where are you living? I live on Hill Street. You need more news for your participation. I'll call my neighbors when it's time. I'm in prison for a period of my life, I've been in jail for 20 years. Most of you know or some of you may remember me from my time on Hill Street, about 15 years ago, longer. But I'm here today to talk to you about the forum, my capacity at H3R, the place to mission. I'm one of the newly invested commissioners and the respondents who get some feedback from folks that live in more complicated need about the situation and the downhounding on Coral of Church Street. I attended $20 meetings last fall, September, October, and there was a little bit of insight there, so I just wanted to open that door and let you know that we're open to them. But I'm creating stuff on Thursday, Wednesday of the month, from 9 to 11, in the Booker College. Thank you. So our first, what might be helpful would be letting Linda Ruzzi know that when the meeting was going on by evening or something, I would get the NTA. Okay, here you go. That was announcements, and I can speak out here like that. We're moving on, I appreciate anything. The way it was asked of why we split for more and more, and I think it was felt that the time was ready for us to have more of a voice about our concerns and not necessarily share of oxygen with, essentially my estimation became UDM in the hospital, and those were important for our community, but our concerns are a little bit different than the big institutions which dominate World War I. And even though we may be very small, I think we needed opportunity for at least people in the war to get to know each other and then also to make a combination of trying to bring in more people for NTA and for participation, somehow. And so I was in favor of us forming our own NTA. Keith was the one who actually, I think you put protests. No, I didn't. I didn't thought you were telling me issues that you wanted to yet, or not specifically, the group was telling me issues you wanted to be NTA, warrants one and eight were discussed. And it seemed that we were not necessarily, and Hannah King was also on it, wasn't necessarily moving as fast as we thought it should be to deal with those issues. So we decided that they had their issues. We had ours, and we needed to really have a chance to have the war with eight people. I didn't, I did not leave the protest. They have certainly had the fair issues that they want to deal with, and they actually don't really apply to us that much. So that's why, that's why as a group, we all decided we needed to be independent so that we could talk about the issues that I think people are talking about in this war. And I'm hoping people will bring forward those issues so that we'll know what they're thinking. One of the issues we've heard a lot about is the redistricting. So that's why our christening is on that. But we're hoping that people will bring forward issues that they'd like us to not discuss and bring in people to give us more information about. I'd also like to introduce Linda Rivsey who everything I know about the NPA I learned from Linda. Linda has been on the Ward 8 representative for many years, right? At one time it was Ann Brenna, it's been Emily Lee, it's my turn now. But Linda is kind of the bridge between past and current Ward 8. But Linda, can you tell us a little bit about your, you know, where you live, why you think this is important, what you hope to accomplish. Nothing, nothing made me. Hi, I'm Linda Rivsey. I live in on Hunger for Terrorists in Ward 8. And Bill is exaggerating my contributions. But I was on the NPA steering committee for a little over a year. And I just echo maybe what Keith said, which is that we have concerns that are special to our ward. And I'm really looking forward to having a chance for Ward 8 residents to be able to have a voice and speak out and to be heard. And so one of the things that we're experimenting with at this meeting, knowing that we're a smaller group, is to try to have it be a little bit more our point of view, not so much a reflection of our view through the city, which I think some of the NPAs are, that the political class are sitting in the meeting and they have a point as they should. But sometimes that influences what's talked about the viewpoints that are allowed. And I think we want to try to have it be more us and not so much our beloved city councilors and state representatives, although they should be at this meeting. And so Ali, I hope you don't mind that we're going to try to engage you with our thoughts and then look to you for leadership or distilling what we say in your views of things and other people who aren't here's views and so that we can maybe be a more effective component of the whole state enterprise here. Because I think that voices are lost in Burlington. And as you can just see from the attendance here, although it's our fault it didn't get organized correctly, we have to get more people in the rooms. And so I hope we can do that and there will be more discussion. So that's kind of what I'm doing. So we will try to finish by 11 that we're small. I'm big about starting meeting on time and on time. And we all on a beautiful Saturday last one, the last week in Sunday, you don't want to hear me talk. So any other speakouts, any anybody else have anything they want to say? Sam, you allowed to talk? Can't call on you? Sam is good. We're also trying to have in order to have more focused discussion is to have single topic or two topics meetings where we don't discuss the broad array of all the issues that we face because we tend to hear the same things. And we'd like to maybe take one issue and have more discussion about that more viewpoints and more time than simply run down the list of all the topics that get talked about all the time at the meetings. And so you may have something you really want to talk about, either at the beginning of the meeting you can have your say or talk to us and we'll try to get on the agenda so we can have more discussion about single topic. This week's topic, this month's topic is redistricting. This is the basis of how Ward 8 came to be. And for those of you who were here at the time, it was a little bit of an odd duck but we've existed and I think it's done very well in many ways and not so well in other ways. And I know that Keith and Linda at the steering committee felt this was a very important issue for us. Ali, do you know what the when this is going to be voted on and what the process of accepting this is, even up through the state level? Yeah, so it's funny because everybody I think sort of on Council has sort of their differing opinions of when they'd like to vote on it. I know at the state level from what I've heard just talking to folks definitely sometime next session, but it's yeah, it's difficult just because I think there's a lot of competing opinions and this solution that I that from what I understood made most people on the Council happy. There's something that the mayor has said he would veto which was the 8 Ward 2 rep map. And so now we have this new proposal for the 7 Ward 12 counselor map and so I think people are and still reviewing it that seems to be sort of the front runner at this time, but yeah, unfortunately, that's sort of the like the extent to the consensus that we've come to. So I didn't hear the process in there. I didn't hear that on this day we have this meeting to discuss this and then there's a revision and it goes through the Council again or back to the NPAs or to the state. What is the actual process? Yeah, unfortunately, I'm not entirely sure. I don't even know if there is a clearly defined process at this point. I think there's so many things being thrown out. The process is kind of getting a little bit convoluted, but I can definitely check with like the person who I know is sort of taking a little bit of that role. And I can also check with Karen Paul as well to try and figure that out. But I know Karen is really pushing to vote on this issue sooner rather than later and so we can have some some answers. Okay, so Linda or Keith, do you understand the process at all? Keith, you might. Well, I do, but I guess I'm going to start the conversation on redistricting. I was here, I've lived in my house on University Terrace for 49 years and I've always wondered why we were segregated from the rest of the ward, but I was because we were in Ward 1 for many, many years and well 46 or 7 years and I ran for school board and I found that it was very difficult for me to get elected because nobody knew me in my neighborhood. I was a totally different neighborhood. I never really kind of didn't think about the fact I lost twice before I got elected and then I realized when Joan Shannon talks about electability that we need a ward that's compact so people know each other and so I kind of got through that. And then while I was on the school board, they were talking about redistricting and I assumed that they would do a good job for all of us. Then the next thing I know I'm in a new ward with next to 4,000 plus students who I can't access if I'm going to run for school board. So it just was very frustrating to me and when I look at this 7 Ward map I know it's a compromise. Basically the bottom line is I can see where you're going to we're going to end up probably the same numbers of progressives and Democrats and others with this with this new 7 Ward map you probably have 7, we'll probably have 6, 6 and I think that's probably what generates why we have our redistricting is so that people can maintain their power and their party power which doesn't necessarily help out the neighborhoods. Sam can you pull that map up? Do you have access to pull that up? Okay but I could just say that you know I've always wanted to be in neighborhoods where we're close by with families that our kids go to school with that we interact with but never get to see at the polls because we've always had to be in a distant way and that is one thing I'm also concerned that Ward 6 is taking on a lot of students if we're taking on the 4,000 plus and then they say that UBM has really given the right number of beds so I don't know if that's there may be 1200 more beds on that campus plus Champlain campus that really puts a lot of students that we probably as any candidate doesn't have access to which means that students inside their their housing situations are able to campaign and get their candidates and kind of leaves those of us who are longer-term residents without a lot of influence in the vote so that is a concern for me but the fact that I'm in Ward 6 is a beginning and it makes me feel like okay maybe now we're accepted as a street that is a lot of families on the street a lot of children as well it's a mixture I think it's an integrated mixture of students and families that works that's that is working reasonably well right now that's my opinion there it is yeah so I'm gonna I think it's okay for me to ask people to speak up right yeah and you can say no Linda I know that there were some meetings this early summer that resulted in a list of some principles that we felt would assist the redistricting process do you remember what those were I remember it the attitude was that is it you know how do we increase democracy in the city and how do we help with some of them how can redistricting help get through some of the gridlock which there is occasionally and why don't you since you remember it and I like everything my computer has been wiped so I why don't you why don't you go and describe those things so I'm only going to tell you what Anne Brenna I wish Anne Brenna was here because she has the memory in the family one of the principles that I remember was that we felt it was better for the students to be in multiple wards than in a single war that their voice would then be broadened a little bit throughout the city and that was a good thing that you know that the the new north end wards may not have an abundance of students but if there was a way that they participated in that word it may be it would be better for students and for all of us Keith you were in those meetings you remember I thought we wanted a balance we kind of wanted a balance of students and longer term renters or longer term home owners and that was one of the things and we thought that sort of splitting up the student population would be better for for the students and give everybody a chance to have a chance to have democracy rather than and don't have a chance for being your side being elected the the thing that that I think well we I I forgot what I was going to say but I think it was making sure that there was a balance so that everyone felt like they had a say Chris I believe you were at some of the were you in the steering committee for that on the ward the input from the wards for the redistricting at the beginning of the process okay okay but there were a whole list of suggestions that were made up I was somewhat cynical at the time that they were going to be used Ali they were available I hope that they do enter into some of the voting discussions about because there was a fair amount of effort and I think it was sincere effort on the people who went to this and I'd like to see some of that be represented in the final outcome Laura have you been through redistricting yet okay if you're lucky you won't be with Keith and me after the which Laura do you have a Lauren do you have an idea about this redistricting or have you seen the map and yeah okay great you have any point do you want to name I think it would be beneficial for the students to be spread out because it is high turnover and it's also a different you know you get a lot of different viewpoints so it encompasses having that high turnover so you don't lose some of the people that are leading the different wards but you also get new ideas cycling in with the new students one thing that I've noticed through the years is that there's a group of students Ali being one of them who have our talented activists caring people who want to help city government and you can we all and we need that kind of help but as their life changes they're here only a short period of time when they move on or they they don't want to live on Beale Street after a few years they moved to someplace else and so how do we keep them active and engaged no matter where they live in the city and I think that's a I think we need to draw into that more so that we're often accused of being anti students and I don't think that's true at all I think that the idea behind redistricting is to give more people voice not just those who happen to you know win an election which is what's often pointed out to me sometimes so are there other other this is gonna be a great meeting because we're gonna end real quick are there other inputs on this Linda um well let me give him some let me give that some thought you know some of the issues have been addressed with the compactness and I do think the students are being spread out some more um I I don't know whether this is something that would be okay to ask but I don't understand why the mayor will reject a and maybe it's a moot point and not worth spending time on but we're going we're going to be having this it seems like we're keeping with us some kind of district system with this seven word map is that correct Allie yes or or no it's um no it's still going to be so it's going to be two counselors per ward with the exception of I believe ward seven let me take a look at the map um I will one ward would have one counselor yes um and that was um sort of uh a compromise of the old north end and new north end really wanting to remain ward three and seven will have one counselor three and six and seven three and seven yeah how many what is the population of the of the ward three on this map because that would be the word that we're it wouldn't we become ward three they're talking this is the target population it's on it's on the map that I gave you that for the one district was for the one counselor it was 37 uh 3729 for the two counselors it was 7457 okay and ward three would have how many counts how many what's the the population expected their target is 3729 okay Keith I wonder if we're looking at different number I mean it's it's probably not that big a difference but the number that I have is um 3824 well we could be I just took what I got from uh I didn't get what I got from um uh Nancy on Wednesday I this thing's changed I'm not that I know I don't know why it's showing a different number okay well we're so we're so close though yeah yeah so I feel a little bit um you know like this is really at odds with the um I understand it's the conventional way of doing things but um and maybe I'm not just thinking outside the box but uh to deny people two counselors I would like an explanation of why the two counselors eight wards will be vetoed yeah so um and this is something that I I personally am pretty um pretty frustrated by um uh the mayor seems to um feel that that is um too many city counselors um he does he is not in favor of a 16 um 16 person city council and I um personally don't think we can go wrong with more representation and I um you know I mean from the start I've I've supported the uh eight eight ward to rep map um so you know but I guess um that seems to be a pretty hard line in the sand um for him and I I mean you know it's not just um progressives that were um you know supporting that um you know that map so I you know I I don't fully understand um the reasoning but has the um has the city council or the mayor or anybody engaged in any conversations around whatever the issues are about having two representatives um uh whatever that problem whatever the problem is has has any discussion happened about easing that problem because this is a very odd solution to have one representative when you know maybe there are some things that could happen in the city that would um could kind of well just to repeat myself just to ease the situation yeah I um I agree it's very odd um and um so so what um you know so as I understand it the mayor's reasoning behind um you know not wanting you know that is that there there would be two on the city council um he seems to feel like it would be more difficult to come to consensus um on issues and I I personally just don't feel that way I think the more voices in the room the better I think our city's already seen what happens when you try to draw up like weird configurations and maps um and I I I think you can't really go wrong with more representation in our city and so I personally don't feel that moving to a you know 16 city council would be a bad solution um but it's even constitutional to do this because that means that my vote translates and I can only impact directly with my vote one counselor where other people can impact two counselors and I wonder if that is even copacetic in in a legal sense I agree the other thing it sets up is there are natural associations between wars and it over um there's too much power in some wars like ward three and and ward seven maybe you know we're outvoted together then would be the other wards and I think nobody's saying that this isn't a political decision for one party to be in power versus another one that's why this is done but um I really think that I agree with Linda that for us to have one counselor for the same number of people just doesn't really make any sense yeah no I mean I I agree I have still and I've said you know in every single meeting city council and behind closed doors I think it would be a mistake not to go with the eight ward two rep map I'm still in favor of that um you know and this is I can definitely bring um that specific concern about ward three having one rep up on Monday um yeah it's um has the discussion of the legality of it come up at all um not in not in any meetings that I've been in but that is absolutely an issue that I can raise um because that's a very good point and then I have another question because originally it seemed like the eight ward two counselors was going to be the compromise position that a lot of people supported and I'm wondering whether there was enough votes to override a veto that's a good question um I'm not sure there has been there has been a little bit of um discussion about that and um I think that would probably involve um me placing a couple of calls maybe like talking to Karen Paul about that because I know that Karen was interested as well to see the eight ward two rep map as well as Mark Barlow but I'm I'm not sure where they are at in this moment um I feel like sometimes justice people um settle sort of on on one solution in one compromise there's another map that's thrown at us um and then we kind of go back to the drawing board and um it's been a little bit of a frustrating process um but I think um I I think that that's a good that's a good question and I know that if um that map was passed and it was vetoed I would certainly vote to override it um so I'm okay with one counselor thought you get two votes and actually Chris Hazley is Chris what ward are you currently in um currently in ward three so we can get the the actual ward three perspective from Chris Chris you got a few minutes and we will end in lem 15 because Sam and Charles very generously came in on Saturday and we're not going to keep in light so well thank you so much so again this goes back to its functionation of a population you need to have equal sized wards one person one vote um and some of the wards grew bigger than other so that's why we're having this discussion um so the seven by 12 map hybrid model is essentially based on a six-word map configuration so there's a mathematical equation here I think many of you are familiar with it you take the total population the city divided by the proposed number of wards and then you'll get your ideal population so with the seven by 12 map they divided the total population by six which results in a figure of like 74 56 or something I don't have in front of me and then they took the sixth word and cut it in half to come up with words three and seven so that was I think you know my understanding of how that all came to pass there uh big picture um my recollection was we heard a lot of people um speak they want two counselors for war for all of the reasons that are being brought up here granted we do have multi-member districts and single-member districts uh at the state level but it's got to be done in a way to serve one person one vote which is why wards one or wards three and wards seven have half the population of the other five to meet that standard um what I would say a bigger picture uh that would be the disadvantage of the seven by 12 was that not everyone gets two counselors the seven word map will inevitably do to the mathematics involved take a big chunk out of the old north end and necessarily results uh in the marriage between a portion of the old north end and new north end which seems to be politically untenable from a number of perspectives uh and the eight word map will do a similar uh job on wards seven award one because the current award one is above the threshold for our existing eight word map so if we wanted to keep eight words they would have to go smaller so those are I think big dynamics in play um clearly you know there's some folks in ward one that probably aren't going to be folk happy with an eight word map that's going to maybe move them to ward two uh similarly uh I think there's some folks both in the old north end and new north end you know are really not excited about a shock and marriage my point is saying all this there's really no uh perfect solution um I just simply say you know looking at a solution is going to benefit the greatest number of people in the cities um in my time of drawing maps and I think those days are behind me at this point um the thing I tried to focus on primarily was the statutory requirements of the equal population uh cohesive districts and compact districts and then the other criteria was the community value of preserving neighborhoods and I think that preserving the neighborhoods can be done it's going to be a challenge and it may not be done in a way that makes everyone happy um but at the end of the day I think the the statutory requirements really need to be driving this thank you so can I just say that yes please go ahead I understand everything you're saying this map doesn't have equal population and it's really it's not just splitting hairs two of the wards have half of the population that is a huge deviation so I just don't know that you know just to kind of repeat myself I don't know whether or not the one giving one representative to have the population is equal to having equal populations with a five percent deviation that's a good question it would surprise you I don't want to bore any voices sorry sorry you had to say thank you no I was going to choke thanks for I do think it's it's helpful to have other wards weigh in on this alley you've got some some thinking to do we can do it appreciate you know not only you carrying this forward in our interest but also reflecting back to us your thoughts and I guess the progressive party thoughts because that's what it's going to come down to so we can at least be informed of how these decisions being made because it does impact us in a big way the last redistricting impacted us a lot and we just want to be part of it this time so we appreciate your knowledge well what happened to you all last time was completely unacceptable and unfair um you know I just I really do not want to say that happen again um yeah I appreciate that and uh sorry I just want to say that I really appreciate that the new maps are addressing the issue yeah yeah no I mean that's you know that's the goal I think like I remember the first time when I first got here looking at the Ward 8 map and being like that what is that you know like I was like come on that's like I mean like if you look up the definition of gerrymandering it's like arms and our board is just two big arms which makes zero sense to me um and personally I would rather see and I'm not just saying this because I am not I'm not at all a career politician um and I I also hate public speaking so I get very nervous at those meetings but I would rather see a map um where like I couldn't get elected but that's going to be fair for the next 10 years um then see a map that guarantees career politicians in Burlington that's that's really the bottom line for me um okay so that we're going to wrap this up but before we do this um I would like to have input Allie you're you're welcome to have discussion too about the topics of these meetings going forward so the next meeting which is going to be sometime late September the two topics that have been discussed and the steering committee has been on the school budget and the impact that that has on the city and then the other one was policing both of which I think are important and if you have strong preferences or if there's other issues that you want to get on to the agenda let us know so that we it's we talk about what you want to talk about so Keith you want to wrap this up a little bit I really appreciate you being here Allie and this is the first time that we've really actually had an active voice and you know how we'd like to see the city run um we're trusting that you will make good decisions and and uh and that we can we can have a democracy that reflects what all the city wants I know I know that's idealistic but I'm I'm an idealist and I really appreciate you being here it sounds like we have an interest in knowing about the school the high school bond and we and we know but we have some issues with uh safety and policing we want to talk about and there are other issues that I'm sure will come forward that people want to talk about maybe even affordability of the housing in our district but we'll see what people say Sam and Charles thanks for coming in on Saturday we very much appreciate it and we'll get you out of here in a few minutes sorry do you mind if I say one thing before we go last word Allie you get last word oh sorry yeah um so I just wanted to kind of be um very transparent about what's going on I um have not been able to monitor my email inbox as much as um I really um would hope um and like I've heard some concerns from folks um and just full disclosure um I have um been going through some very um prolonged and truthfully very traumatic life um circumstances and um you know I'm well supported the CJC's involved um for like restorative justice type stuff um but it's been just a very difficult time with me um given the fact that I also um you know hold two other jobs um and so but I do really want to be available I really really want to hear um folks concerns so um first thing I really appreciate you know as being able to have this meeting today so that I can come and and hear you all because this is this is what I want I you know I want to be able to hear people's voices and um I think um secondly um I think the best way probably to reach me would be by text or phone call I hope that for those of you who've reached out in that way I've I've been pretty responsive I don't know Keith maybe you can tell me tell me if like otherwise but um I so my phone number is listed on the city website I can also give it to you right now if that's easier um but my number's 240 478 um 198 um I do have some weird work hours um that fluctuate um sort of depending on what's going on in the club occasionally I have to travel for like it's it's like crisis related stuff it's like a whole um complex issue um and then in the morning I do some like freelance writing so I um I usually am working all day but um on the days that I work from home I'm pretty available um and when not I usually will have to decline a phone call but feel free to follow up with a text um and I you know I really try to be as responsive as possible in that way yeah thanks thanks Ali that's good to hear um you know you're here for us we're here for you so Sam can you uh take us how do we end this you push a button yeah okay thanks everybody thank you hopefully it will be better work nice last next time but it's been a great start I really appreciate it thank you thank you


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I didn't have something to turn down Her armor What's it? What's the thing in D&D anything else and your AC is your armor? Yeah, your hip armor What's the sea? It's a Armor Not crit armor Credit no Class class class. That's it. Geez. Why can't we not think of that hurt trying to get it out? That was painful Last time I played D&D was no he brings bacon for Being able to remember bacon and the proper terms from Dean bringing it all yep all the way from Europe Who's the last time you played D&D? You can bring home the bacon and fry it up in pan and never let you forget class is what you're trying to pick up This is why it's embarrassing Roger. I play D&D every Saturday for three hours and I couldn't remember it Played it Seven eight years Classy I'm a lot of fun with fifth edition a class. He's out. I never really got into D&D as a kid I think you should reevaluate your priorities.  So I just played like battle tech Okay, the battle take is like Microsoft Q1 results because that would be awesome If you could write that up for us to talk about in the show. Did I just happen? Yes, wait Roger I'm gonna put it on line 23 There it is the verge Record and the reason I'm forcing it is record Q1 results because of cloud surface and gaming like they are killing it That's great. Yeah Well done Everyone there Nice work good good job Kroger ring. Yeah Kroger in the TARDIS. You've Kroger'd it All right, we'll just squeeze that in at the end of the top stories Shall We begin soon then maybe in a minute. Yeah, everyone can take a minute to get get yourselves prepared Get right with your preferred deities baby What if you don't have any burnish your armor class? Yep, there you go Yeah Roll for initiative Uh ready check That's good. It's good Exactly the right thing to have said just now Party is ready for a date TNS Good. Well, then we'll start in 24 seconds exactly everyone just Enjoy this time while you got it. Yep. This is your meditation for the day 10 seconds think about Your regrets. Yeah Everything you meant to do but never did. All right, three two Thanks to everyone who supports a Daily Tech news show directly to find out more head to Daily Tech news show comm slash support This is the Daily Tech news for Wednesday October 24th 2018 in Los Angeles. I'm Tom Merritt and from studio feline I'm Sarah Lane in Salt Lake City. I'm Scott Johnson and From somewhere in LA County a roger chain Roger's busy putting the dot a dot in the eyes and crossing the T's put the T's on the eyes I don't know what he's doing to get us the Microsoft earnings information and good news for Microsoft from the earnings Well, let's start with a few other tech things you should know Facebook loves to redesign its messenger app and has done so again this time to reduce clutter on the main screen Consolidating nine tabs into three focusing more on chat There's a tab for chat Of course a tab called people that has contacts and then a tab called discover which includes businesses and games Still kind of a mess. Hey Google has added access to personal search data to the menu of its main search web page on the web and on Android and iOS apps actually used it today Google's Google users rather have had the ability to see what data has been collected and deleted if they wish But they had to go into their account settings and find those options That's now just smack dab underneath the search window HP announced updates to its specter 360 line of laptops including a new 13 inch model with a claimed 22.5 hour peak battery life up 37 percent over the previous model model also has the option for gigabit class LTE the 15 inch model has a peak battery life of 17.5 hours and both models arrive in November 13 inch model starts at a thousand one hundred fifty bucks fifteen inch 1390 bucks the 14 inch elite book x 360 10 40 g file convertible for business customers also as an option for gigabit LTE That's coming in late October starting price at $1,499 Let's talk a little bit more about how Samsung just wants to fold everything. They do indeed And according to Samsung's vice president for marketing a PC's lean and show Said Samsung is collaborating with display makers to develop laptops with foldable displays They will not just simply fold in and out but create new value and user experience That's the end of that quote Lee also told Korea the Korea Herald that Samsung sells around 3.2 million PCs every year And they plan or and they say it plays a central role quote an increasing connectivity with other mobile devices That's the Korea Herald newspaper not just some Korean guy named Harold I'm the Korean Herald. There's more than one of those first of all All right I actually am a big fan of the idea of foldable displays and I have been since they've been rumored and talked about a CES and other stuff because because of what he just said There's going to be use cases where a quarter-sized version of your screen or something will be useful Where a full screen or a half screen is not I love the idea that we'll be able to get to a place one day where the size of the device is Fluid and we can change it move it You know tweak it to fit whatever specific need what those needs are I don't know But I love the idea of a foldable display. Well, I do too, but I'm I'm I don't know either I know we keep hearing about them certainly at CES every year it gets more and more foldable rollable you know You can create like various sizes of panels on a display that can be large or small But no one's doing anything like that. We're just talking about how cool it would be Do you either of you use two-in-ones? Like tablets with keyboards that you need twist around fold around turn into tents anything like that a little bit No, no, I mean I died I have in the past but not currently really seems to be useful is Oh instead of having to deal with a hinge I could take that HP folio with that leatherette case that bends and actually bend the screen and do cool I just want to fold them put them in my pocket if you want that real true. Maybe you'll be able to do that someday Italy is finding both Samsung and Apple five million euros each for intentionally slowing down its citizens phones Apple also received an additional five million euro fine for failing to provide customers information on maintaining and replacing batteries You might recall that Apple previously admitted to slowing down older phones when its OS detected a failing battery in order to extend the battery's life I'll be honest. I think this is unfair to both companies I don't think they were intentionally trying to make their phones obsolete and I know most of you disagree with me and that's fine That you are probably right, but my gut tells me that they really were trying to manage battery life and That is specifically what Apple has said Samsung hasn't commented on what was going on there You know in a way that would extend the life of your phone But the knee jerk reaction is oh, but if they're slowing down my phone, that's to make me buy a new one Granted, I don't think they mind if that made you buy a new one I don't think it's purely out of the goodness of their heart and they're doing everything they can to keep you from having to buy I don't I don't think that either But I think there's a legitimate reason to cause an older phone to try to extend the battery life That would appear to slow down the phone. So I completely agree with this and so there's at least two of us who are in accord here I Think that the both I can again, so I'm saying doesn't said who knows but I'll bet it's much better for them from a PR perspective that your phone slows down a little But perhaps in a more gradual granular way in order to preserve battery life Then if it just suddenly got slower because oh time to get a new phone And if it suddenly got really bad battery life, that's also a thing you could say to them Oh, yeah, your battery is only last few years now. I got to get a new phone like they're kind of screwed either way No matter which way they say it so actually I've never really bought into that whole idea that either company is interested in slowing phones down and especially as a secret but Apple in particular is really leaning into this now that last keynote was all about We know that you're keeping your phones much longer And so here are the things we're gonna give you and also you want to use them less Here's a weekly report of how much time you're spending on Twitter Like they really leaned into that. I thought was a bit of a surprise that last keynote. Yeah, I Don't think Apple wanted to slow down phones just to make people buy new phones I mean sure the company would like everyone to buy a new phone every every time there's a new one announced But I agree that that's not it's not that cut and dry I do almost lean to the point of listen if something's going wrong with the battery and The company doesn't want your phone to just stop working entirely for everything to slow down a little bit So at least it's smooth sailing even if it's a little bit more slow smooth sailing It's not necessarily the end of the world However, I do I I to my knowledge was not a person that was affected by this If I knew that I was I would be ticked that the company hadn't Communicated it better and that's why this I agree with the second fine that Italy gave Apple for not informing customers on maintaining and replacing batteries That that's what they shouldn't maybe get in trouble for I don't know if it's five million euro fine or not That's a different conversation, but but yeah, tell people what you're doing be transparent about it Transparency is a big theme of Tim Cooks these days warnings of slowing demand from chip makers Texas instruments and ST microelectronics has caused the stock market to back off Chicks chip stocks in general today affecting companies like Micron Intel and AMD a little bit a couple percentage points, but Texas Instruments is The canary in the coal mine For this sort of thing Texas Instruments forecast its weakest Q4 since 2013 Ti makes analog sensors that often take things like sound or air pressure And turn it into digital readings for a range of products things from cars to phones, etc Often ti is used these days as an indicator of the direction of the semiconductor market in general so Not much else to say about this to be honest other than you know, this is this is something to note if you're following that market closely it goes back to The idea of we're maturing in that market like you know and people are keeping their devices longer and I feel like we say this saw the same kind of slowdown with with PCs at one point this of course includes that but We can't expect the demand to be as high as it you know as it is traditionally when there's when these things are new So this doesn't really shock me too much. Well, hold on you're talking about PCs there There are a lot of new devices out there This I think this is just a chip cycle, but you could make the argument like cars should be there Everybody's talking about building new cars. Yeah, you'd think it'd be ramping up rather than No, that's yeah, I guess maybe I guess I wouldn't be surprised to find out the traditional Traditional places where you would normally think of a chip being your phone your computer or whatever They're being a slowdown there, but usually you'd see this stuff shift to other markets I didn't really consider I use ti is sort of the canary in the coal mine because They're not subject to the shift of like a people just aren't buying laptops anymore. They're there More in a multiple number of devices. So they're a better general indicator, I think Well, uh, all I know is my fridge could use a chip that reminds me not to eat garbage in it I guess this is a fact that you're not buying a smart fridge. No, uh, this is this is an indication that the semiconductor market just Overproduced you know, it would be great if a fridge was so smart that You could order food via the fridge and it could just be like, no, that's vetoed Because I'm not putting that in myself. I wish To me I wish a lot of I wish certain restaurants would do that for me I feel like this is not for you Well, you know, there's a donut shop near me that I've gone to two days in a row And I'd like them to stop denying me service Apple pay just stops working at Randy's It's like no, you don't need another one of those now. No, yeah square. Sorry square squares down I'm not I'm not saying I've never eaten whole box the cocoa puffs. I'm just saying maybe I have Uh, let's get into the information who is reporting That is the organization of news not the actual information Anyway, they report its sources say Apple will launch its tv service in the first half of 2019 in more than 100 Countries that's a big rollout Starting with the u.s It will include original shows commissioned by apple along with the ability to subscribe to other services like showtime HBO and the like it will supposedly be free for apple device owners Although I don't know that that's been 100 confirmed. Well, these are all these are all unconfirmed These are all sources saying so in the case of the the showtime hbo model That is the prime model like that's what amazon prime does They're all about the add-on services and that Little notion there is a very interesting one because if your basic product is free and that includes a bunch of stuff Including a bunch of apple original content And if you have their apple tv or you have a phone or a tablet or whatever With an apple name on it, then that's a great way to get in And then you start doing these add-on services. I could see how this would be a model for them I mean, this is nothing new in here. We've heard all these rumors before the information is a very reliable Reporter of this sort of thing. I think the thing that caught my eye sara is they said it will be free for apple device owners But the information doesn't seem to be hitting the other point We've heard which is and nobody else will get it. Maybe there will be A fourth pay subscription version for non-apple owners. Yeah, when I when I first read this story I was like, okay first half of 2019 if that happens great that would probably mean that it would be announced next week One would think unless they're gonna have yet another event and that's possible as well But it's true that that is Because we had a whole conversation gosh two weeks ago now I I guess about the idea of content being exclusive to a certain ecosystem in this case apple devices So if it is not And I still don't think it will be that's just that that's just that's what i'm saying for the record I don't think that apple would be that exclusive With content that they'd like to become huge hits all on netflix or hbo or any of the other Networks that that have had hit shows lately. Um, Free for apple device users part of apple music for others Well, could they just not put it in apple music? Could they just Could they just fix apple music and iTunes? But yeah, I I hear what you're saying if it if it was bundled in to the I don't know How would that look? Well, they do carpool karaoke in there right now. So they probably just create a new section or something. Yeah, interesting Well, let's see that that's more of a music Like they're deal they have with sorkin whatever this is gonna look like and and some big spielberg stuff being thrown around Everything I feel like they don't want to limit Who's can see this with it with some artificial thing like hey if you're an apple device owner then you're in I think too. It's it's it would be I mean unless it was Something that you know apple just really betting on it being such a big hit that people were just like I can't I can't uh be left out anymore. I'm gonna go buy a You know 10 s plus But I just I that's that's ludicrous Mm-hmm. It's it's possible, but I I think it's pretty improbable Yeah Mozilla released firefox 63 Included enhanced tracking protection, which is a new feature that blocks third-party trackers to increase privacy, obviously Mozilla previously announced upcoming features like blocking add tracking software by default And also just partnered with proton vpn to sell subscriptions to a small group of firefox users Enhanced tracking protection will be off by default But when it's turned on it gives users the option to block third-party tracking cookies Block all trackers and then also of course add exceptions for trusted sites It's essentially privacy badger built into firefox. Um, and I I think it's good that it's off by default because for an average user Having it on would make it feel like maybe the web was broken like maybe this browser doesn't work So you want to give people a little education before they turn it on to say Hey, a lot of sites won't be able to work properly or may treat you like you're using an ad blocker If you're blocking their trackers and so you should you should know how to handle those permissions before you get into this Yeah, I I think you're right. Um, and in the past I've encouraged folks to use ad blocking software Or you know plugins or whatever and you know, some of some of them have come back to me and been like This sucks. It's always making, you know, I have to you know, do these exceptions and it's it's just not for everybody Not everybody cares Microsoft released its 2019 financial results. As I mentioned, uh revenue of 29.1 billion dollars is up 19% net income of 8.8 billion up 34% It is a record q1 Uh, this is microsoft's first quarter of its fiscal year mostly due to the cloud but Pretty much good news all over. Uh surface revenue increased 14 percent year over year to 1.1 billion dollars There was a time when people wondered if surface was just a loss leader Looks like it's shaping up to be a decent sector of its own Gaming revenue increased 44 percent including 94 growth in xbox hardware revenue Attributed to the launch of the xbox 1x And the number of xbox live active users also grew to 57 million this quarter. So Big growth in cloud in azure, etc Which has recently sort of been the money maker, uh for for microsoft but also positive news for surface and gaming. That's great Yeah, gaming in particular. Um, this is great to see because they've had kind of a rough go of it this generation Which we're now well into and already talking about what might be around the corner for both, uh, sony and microsoft as the big two players, but Uh, this is really good to hear. I think part of this, uh, I read the urge article and they don't go deep into it But I have to think that a big part of the gaming revenue is also Due to the growth of the game pass subscription Which gets more and more attractive every time I look at it I'm just close to getting it and it also brings in pc players and lets them play their xbox games or xbox titles You buy there on your pc and have those saves synced and it's a really kind of a brilliant thing And it's basically netflix for games It needs more games Just like a netflix competitor would need more movies and tv shows to compete with netflix But it's a great start. It's a really good price. And I think it's an awesome move for them Plus the gaming stuff is very synergistic with the growth and azure and all our cloud products Like there's a lot happening there that's super exciting as we get closer to a potential 2020 2021 You know announcement of a new console and consoles selling well Not just for microsoft, which you know has been playing catch up to the playstation But but consoles in general not tailing off a lot of people I think thought maybe we just start seeing them fade out, but turns out Doing really well and helping microsoft's bottom line I'll remember the report from yesterday about you know teenagers and consoles. So Maybe it's all the teens. Hello fellow teenagers. Would you like to play this console game with me? The teenagers saving microsoft. Who would have thunk it? Yeah, we still want to just escape reality sometimes games are good at that turns out Folks if you want to get all the tech headlines each day in about five minutes Be sure that you subscribe to daily tech headlines dot com All right apple CEO tim kook gave a keynote speech at the international conference of data protection and privacy commissioners now that's a party Uh, that's happening in brussels right now. Uh kook was No, are they really keynotes of multiple people give them tim burners lia also giving a keynote at the same conference So that just bugs me sometimes like well, isn't shouldn't the keynote Be the one Anyway, given a speech tim kook gave a big speech Uh praised europe's gdpr regulations called for similar protections in the us and elsewhere kook said personal data Quote is being weaponized against us with military efficiency He said a privacy law should minimize the amount of personal data collected by companies combined with transparency Over what is collected and the right for people to not only access their data, but be sure it's secure He said and i'll quote again again For artificial intelligence to be truly smart. It must respect human values including privacy If we get this wrong the dangers are profound. We can achieve both great artificial intelligence and Great privacy standards. It's not only a possibility. It's a responsibility We don't think of tim kook's fiery privacy protection speech Yeah, it's intense. I really like it. Also. I like the two two major tims gave a speech at this at this thing But tim kook getting out there and really firing it up. We were talking about tms on tms earlier today just briefly about this and It is it is interesting to see how this actually Serves apple for the kind of company that they are the ones to sell me a new device that I can then use to Do the things I do And that's where they want me they don't need to sell ads and I need to gather a bunch of personal information to do other Things they just need me to be in the ecosystem to be interested in their hardware and so on and They're leaning into that and I think that's probably Exactly what you would do if you were tim kook because that's what apple's business model is if tim kook worked for Google I doubt they would be as quick to You know have this sort of language in their keynote given the fact that they need to collect that data to sell ads Which is still one of their primary revenue models. So Anyway, at the end of the day, I appreciate this approach Even if it may just be also strategically useful for them as a company I appreciate it as a user and as someone who is concerned about privacy and about data collection and about security of said data I like that they are They're they're pushing in that direction. I wish more would well and tim kook really I I agree I I'm I'm on his side on this one But really kind of going on the offensive lately It wasn't that long ago that tim kook was sort of a the shadowy successor to steve jobs who was very private and You know, maybe a little clunky at apple's own keynote events but but wasn't yeah, didn't have this sort of uh Bravado is not the words. No, he was folksy and this is not folksy. Exactly fiery. Yeah, and I didn't I don't know. I'm trying to think of if I if I felt any of this at the latest keynote that you know, we watched You know where they introduced new iPhones and those events are you know, they're all a little schmaltzy because it's all kind of You know cheering apple people cheering for apple people, but um I have seen a shift in him and I like where it's going um, I like his persona coming out and I I I feel like He really means it. You know, I'm sure there's some strategy here going on But I think that what he's talking about is is is is actually more of a It's a it's a human conversation more than it is Uh, bottom line conversation for corporations. I think he does mean it I thought I think it's also easy for him to say Scott because uh, he's like white our business model isn't built on risking privacy as much So I can safely rail against those who risk your privacy Sure, but but At the same time they are doing some things like recently we've mentioned the new privacy section on apple allows you to download all your data Which they're billing as privacy because it's not an apple's interest to highlight the fact that this is also data portability If you want to leave the apple universe, you're getting all your data from apple Uh by doing that now granted some of this drm like purchases and stuff So it's not entirely breaking down the walls of the garden But they are doing some things that maybe aren't necessarily and entirely their best interests if they were simply guided Uh by the corporate motivations unless you consider that one of the corporate motivations is good press So why not do these things because it's worth it? Uh, I think another part of this uh event that I want to point out and tech crunch uh reported on this as well Europe's data protection supervisor Giovanni buddarelli Said we need to look objectively at how technologies have affected people in good ways and bad We need a critical understanding of the ethics Informing decisions by companies governments and regulators whenever they develop and deploy new technologies He also called for a moral code He says we do not have an ethical consensus in europe and we certainly do not have one at a global level We urgently need one. I think this is this is where the conversation happens, which is Granted, uh, we had a way to deal with public Perceptions and public data up until the internet came And using The status of like well Yes, anybody can see my file at the courthouse But they have to travel to the courthouse and they have to wait around And so there's a natural delay in getting it So not everybody's going to do it Suddenly is a different calculus when wow all my personal information is available not only like that online But without me even knowing they're collecting it Uh, this is all new and so the old safeguards that were sort of built around Natural barriers to accessing your personal information are no longer there Uh, and no longer working. So you need to have a new ethics. I I really like what Giovanni Butarelli is saying we need to have an ethics of personal information And it's new you can't just use the old one anymore than you could take the model of of lp's from the 70s and apply it to mp3's Yeah, there is a tendency to want to rely on existing norms when it comes to changes like this And it's across the board technology politics, whatever it may be There's a real chance right now And perhaps this these voices are echoing that there's a real chance for us to establish. What does the future of? privacy of ai of data collection Of ownership of that data like what does that actually look like and we're and if we're not shaping it now we're I agree. We're making a huge mistake because you know 20 years from now They won't matter what we wish we would have done we got to do it now And uh, I don't know I for one think tim cook was on to something and probably you'll end up Improving the image of apple and selling products as a result You can and and maybe and maybe not only improving the image of apple but Hurting the image of competing companies who aren't saying what tim cook is saying You know, there's there's there there is always that not just to sell products But strategies, you know tim cook might have an inkling of what might be Coming down the pipe As it were Series of tubes. Thanks everybody who participates in our sub reddit submit stories and vote on them at daily tech news show Dot reddit.com. 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I was running a free place deem activity for kids Parents attended a talk my phone was put away while I was working with kids with all the setup And actual activities and packing up that's about three hours when I was leaving I checked my phone There were 20 text from Comcast with different two factor authentication security codes Somebody was trying to do something with my account I was able to go in and quickly change my password Then they all stopped when I got home. I called Comcast I let them know about the suspicious activity the people I talked to had no idea what 2fa was And swore up and down that nobody was trying to change or add something to my account They didn't offer any service that would text me a code That part was frustrating, but at least my account is secure now That's fantastic. I remember uh, I mean that that that was from the episode or episodes where I was really having a bummer time with uh Getting hacked left and right and had all kinds of weird stuff going on and boy was out of wake up call for me So I am thrilled to hear somebody got something out of that Out of my pain. It feels good. It's it's like, uh, it's like Checking the batteries in your smoke alarm like twice a year on daylight savings change You should you should check your 2fa options to see which ones are new and implement them. Yep And then batteries on your smoke alarm Every every year on daylight saving time. I check the batteries on my smoke alarm. I just wait till it starts beeping and then I get upset and Rip it out of the ceiling On our post-missi era discussion yesterday Raul said if we go strictly by what a pc personal computer stands for then all consumer mobile devices are pc's But if we are talking about the big legacy devices We left and leave at home Then we are entering a new era Consider that the microsoft office suite is available for both tablets and phones adobe is releasing full versions of software for tablets That means I don't have to wait until I get home to use lightroom or photoshop I assume other applications will follow films have been made on iphone's dig at the point Thank you. Raul good perspective and thank you to scott johnson for being with us this fine Wednesday scott what is going on with you? Well, I'll tell you what one of the things you were talking about yesterday and your wrap-up and stuff that involved One patrick beija or maybe that was monday. When's his day? What's his day? 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Yeah All your friends will be here Like apple and google Well, if it isn't her old friend amazon Oh gosh, yeah, what would amazon's voice be facebook's would be I don't know you're interested in snails. You might also like How do you always know everything about me?  Yeah, just real snotty of the card. Yeah You all are doing it wrong. Yeah, that's not doesn't look as good. You can't come into my You're holding that wrong. Yeah, I really white playhouse There's the uh, there's the two tims aluminium oh for titles as well as Uh, what was it apples privacy transparency? Microsoft's cloudy day profits Okay, these these are your favorites. I'm just of what's available right now. Yeah, okay Let's help roger who has a head cold Well, there's a lot of fold, but we did fold two days ago. Yeah fold the That's all Yeah, fold my calls Fold my calls was a good one. Can't pop that. Sorry folks No, the other the other korean herald I think that yeah, that's good in the show joke. I don't know if it makes a good time, right, right I love that you said it though from being over Pretty funny All right, so The two tims then two teams The two teams Yeah, that's oh, we could go, uh, serious and just do like, uh, the ethics of privacy sure I like that Oh, yeah, doesn't have to all be uh, jokie much jokie Yeah, fix some privacy. We're sure this is 33 95, right? Yes, 3395 That is the correct number because I have 3393 in my id three tags from yesterday, but maybe that was still wrong Because we yeah wait from yesterday. Yeah, that that should that that was wrong. It should have been Okay, good back on track 3394 was yesterday Mm-hmm Mm-hmm French fried titers Kaiser blade I calls it a sling blade I like that movie I like I never watched it. It's good. It's uh different There's something about what's his name. I just really can't get into really Love building hub Thornton. Yeah, let's tell him about him He's off putting him off, but I I think it depends on the movie. Mm-hmm. You can uh Poor tv show is really good in that goliath show on amazon I haven't watched that but I I actually do like Billy Bob Thornton generally, but like you say it kind of depends on the movie And kind of he was really good on that Fargo season where he was the bad guy. Oh, yeah, he's great He's a good good bad guy Well, he was amazing in that I am rewatching dead like me on amazon Oh dead like me, uh the one uh The one that was good until they made that weird little side movie Side right? Yeah, am I thinking what am I thinking of? Yeah with Mandy Patinkin, right? Mandy Patinkin. Yeah. Yeah more it made like a tv movie thing That was like a follow-up and it was terrible I never watched that so I guess I should oh life after death Yeah, I was that Mandy Patinkin on Chicago Hope. Yes. There's also a demon toy And and yeah That was absolutely him And yeah, I think an adventure His own personal blog Well, I was so I've been watching the romanoffs Yeah, and how is that? I like it. It's it's little vignette Stories, it's kind of threaded, but it's I don't know. It's unusual, but um, please don't judge me if you hate it, but I like it That's what I'm saying. Yeah That's what it should be called. Oh For some reason feel like they have to explain it. I mean, obviously you like it Yeah, I don't care if anyone cares whether I like something or not, but Yeah But one of the episodes has Noah Wiley in it And it's like it's amazing how because I used to love er and Chicago Hope both It's like I remember all of the doctor's like character names Even though I haven't watched that show in so long because it was such a big deal er especially um In fact, roger, I don't know if you remember this but er was really big when we were in college Yes, and it got a lot like got a lot of video people talking for the z-axis work that they did because because it was I don't know the camera work was somehow uh unusual for the style of hollywood You know, it's very much the over the shoulder shot on everything. Yeah, yeah Yeah, you know and It's like like we would study episodes of that show in school It was the best And then they started cramming every up and coming actor into it as kind of a launch vehicle For them and it just became like like the story is just kind of kept Well, and then George Clooney laughed and it's like come on, you know Lasted like nine years I don't remember how long it lasted. It lasted a long time. It was I mean it was It was a very big deal at its time. But anyway, so I was like dr. Carter You know like Noah waley has done lots of things since then including playing steve jobs. So I'm like, it's dr. Carter Yeah, he was real good on that. Um When he played steve jobs in that silicon valley thing. Yeah, I liked him on that Wait, you mean the steve jobs movie. No the one that was like it's pirates of silicon valley Yeah, yeah that and he was and then he had that sci-fi show on tnt or somewhere Where the world's taken over by aliens and he leads this like rag tag a survivors group to fight back Oh, yeah Of what was that show? That was a good show. It's still beyond actually I stopped watching it before it got cancelled. I think it did finally get cancelled though. Okay Yeah fire in the sky or something like that.   Have you been wearing your giant's hat around? Uh, you know what? It's actually packed. So no, but I will um, and I socks hat I I don't have a socks. I don't care about the red socks at all, but I'm rooting for them That's why I said rent just a renting the red socks Oh I'm not going to rent the red socks. No, I have a pair of red socks There you go. They never match anything. I never wear them Because it's like if they'll stick out of your jeans, you know, if you cross your legs and it's like they kind of look weird I haven't worn them since 1918. I just wear them at christmas pretty much Play anymore Um, no, I uh, I yeah, I I look forward to being heckled as well. That's the fun of it And then Otis will sick him he actually Probably is incapable of doing that. He's afraid of everything including ducks Which we learned today at the lake Or Otis He's I think he's just he has He has new neighborhood new smells new everything just sort of like, ah, what's happening? Just got settled with you is like, okay, this is my forever home and you're and now he's like, right And he's like, where's the beach? Yeah, exactly. Yeah, so we're I think we're eventually we're going to be cool with ducks Um, but for now he was like this morning. He was like Just looking at me like I don't want to go over there with all the because there's a bunch of ducks It was really cute. I try not to laugh at him, but I'm just like you are Like the biggest freaky cat ever For dog. Scott. How's your new pup doing? She's great. She um We take her to the dog park in the mornings now every morning and she loves it. I'm she couldn't be better. She's just an awesome Goofy dog. She's gotten bigger since thoms are but um doing great. Oh, she did pull She pulled a nail off yesterday while she was playing with a great dain So now she's kind of limpy, but other than that she's fine Well, I'm glad to hear that she did eat a cat poo, which really bothered me Oh, that is this one. I've seen him go into the litter box more than once. Yeah, it's not cool They just want that tune up to I'm not even yeah Like I'm not even sure if he's like trying to get anything or if he just Is obsessed with it because he's not supposed to be in there. It's entirely possible. I don't know I can't tell you but we're watching we're keeping a At the tight eye on that one now. Oh, yeah Oh Right for a variety of reasons, but she's Sweet as ever. Oh good She's not chewing anything anymore, which is good So I've been researching like tv mounting services just because it's like I have to mount my tv and um I usually just go to yelp first and just get a sense of like if there's like one, you know service or a person who's Yeah, super highly rated this um This this review for uh, a guy named frank who does this was this is Watching frank work is like watching winston wolf from pulp fiction work downright impressive. Wow Mike that's a great tv mounting experience. All right, so if you do this Let me know how it goes because eileen really wants to mount the tv on the wall in the bedroom And i'm still a skeptical Oh, once you do it it makes everything so much more flush I'm a big. I mean, it's a heat. It's a hassle to do it But once it's done, you know, it's you get the arm that allows you to pull the tv out that makes all the difference to me Just mounting it. It can be a nightmare for cable man, but We'll see. No, I don't get the arm Because I I don't want it to stick out. I want it to be like a picture I want to be able to pull it away from the wall so I can get to the ports easier and that's I'm thinking about the projector What I think well, so what I did in my old apartment is For all the ports. I had The cables Connected to the ports that had them drilled through the back of the wall and then out the bottom So it's like that's see that sure sure it'd be an issue if one of the cables went kaput Yeah, but but it made it easy to you know, switch stuff out without having to like have a bunch of cables hanging down that you could see I don't know. That's not enough flexibility for me. It probably is for most people. I just yeah, I hear you. I hear you David Prager Has one of the coolest if you like a tv arm because his the house that he lives in It's just set up in a way where where the tv is Is facing exactly opposite away from the kitchen But it's an open plan at the same time And so you'd spend a lot of time not being able to look at the tv Yeah, if you really wanted to enjoy the room, it's just the way it's just the way that it's set up So he has an arm that goes like I mean it's it's It's at least 180 degrees It might even be more because it kind of wraps around this wall that sort of ends And at first when he was explaining to me, I'm like, this is going to look so bad Like just don't do it. I don't know figure out another solution buy a new house I don't know but once I saw it. I was like, this is so cool because you can literally you can watch it from so many different areas of It's uh, was it a wall mount? Yeah, yeah, it's mounted on the wall. It's mounted on one side of the wall. So it's like it can go Back almost flush where you could pick up those mats at uh, casca Yeah, oh Well, I don't know it's the first time I've ever I've ever seen something so dramatic in action that I was like Oh, yeah, you did the right thing You know, you did the right thing by watching video today. Thank you for doing that Uh, you also did the right thing if you're listening on audio because then you can stick around there's more to come I just lost my pen