Let us be the first to welcome you inside the LA Convention Center. We're taking you a little walk through the NFL fan experience. Check it out. You get to run the 40-yard dash, kick a field goal, test yourself against the very best in the game there at NFL Museum. You can check out Game War in Jersey's cleats, gear, the whole thing. Hey, find your favorite team, your favorite player.  We've got a big game ahead of us, Super Bowl 56, coming at you from SoFi Stadium on Sunday, Rams and Bengals and what up football fans? This is the week that we've waited for. Welcome to Radio Row here in Los Angeles, California. You are watching Fandalsports, more ways to win Super Bowl style. Welcome in, I'm Lisa Kearney. The whole team is here on set together getting you ready to bet Super Bowl 56, Rams and Bengals kicking off in just days from now. And here's the team, give it up. We're doing the dang thing. We're getting you ready for all of it. We're breaking down the matchup, previewing some of the fun bets on the board as we've done all season long, guys. Plus, we've got some awesome special guests that are sitting just off stage waiting to get on here. They're dropping by the set. Chargers tight end, Jared Cook, former Bills wide receiver and Hall of Famer, of course, Andre Reed is here. Friend of the show, guys. Friend of the show, Andre back with us. What's up? We made it. We're here in LA. We're on Radio Row. We're together. Dave, you live in LA, but this is like, this is the big stage. How's it feel to be here? This is big. And if I run the 40, pulled hamstring minus 130, yes. I could, what, it's 5.8? What do you think? Well, I got the belly blocker going, so I think you've slimmed down. Yeah, I think the digital shot we do adds pounds to look much better in person. Welcome to LA, guys. Thank you. Over, under, will or will you not sweat through the back of your shirt running the 40 yard dash? That's the biggest wetter. I'll take the under on that. Oh, yeah. All right, and you're also here living in LA, not too far from here, but we have made the big stage. So here we are. We're going to kick this thing off before we dive into our analysis. A reminder that all of you can place your bets right now on the show. We're going to talk about all these bets. Go to the Fandall Sportsbook app and for all of our new users, sign up for your new account using that promo code right there. We'll remind you all show long. It's more ways 1,000. Get your first bet risk-free up to 1,000 bucks.  We are in LA just 10 miles from Sophia Stadium here, where the Rams are giving four points to the Bengals on Sunday. Keep this in mind, Cincinnati 7-0 against the spread in their last seven. I want to get everyone's play here, David, as we dig in on the spread. Rams giving four at Sophia on Sunday. How are you playing the Super Bowl? I think I've been on the Bengals for a lot of those seven games they've covered, but not this time. I just don't think they can keep up with Matt Stafford. And the Rams and the Rams defense, it's just going to be too much for Joe Burr to handle. It's been a nightmare three years, probably for Sean McVeigh to have to relive that first Super Bowl, where four out of the first five drives, they went three and out. But you replaced Jared Goff with Matthew Stafford. The defense is, I think, much better this year than it was back there in the 2018 season. So even though the Bengals have been red hot, I'm taking the Rams, and I think they'll get the job done. Plus, I've been on them all year long, so I have to go. I've waited three years to disagree with you in person.  I can't. Oh, I thought you were talking about the Super Bowl. I can't. I wanted to disagree with you. I mean, they only scored three points in that last Super Bowl, but it's the Jared Goff to Matt Stafford effect. And the nine sacks that Cincinnati allowed to Tennessee, Paul, I've got to go with the Rams in this one, minus four. Well, you've got to shore up that offensive line play if you're Cincinnati. And I've been waiting for two years to sit next to you guys and agree. But right now, I'm not able to do that, because I'm going to have to go with Cincinnati winning close games. That's been their MO so far this season. And well, when it comes to the Rams, they've had eight games so far this season. Playoffs included that have been by two scores or greater. So in close games, it's all about Cincinnati. So I think Cincinnati is going to take this one. It's going to be a close shave. And I'm going to let you know exactly how close to being just a second. Well, first off, I'm over on that 40 time for Dave, because his ego is so heavy right now. Did you rub the analytics on it? I did. I did absolutely. No, we're well over six and a half seconds at this point, because his ego is so heavy. We're looking at a 400 pound, you know, entity go down the thing. Trust the models, always trust the models, man. The data is there. Here's the thing, though. There is a defensive disparity in this game that matters a lot. When you look at the Rams past defense and run defense, both have been in the top seven in football when you filter out the randomness and volatility of turnovers and things like that. Joe Burrow has not faced a challenge like this before. Jalen Ramsey is going to be special. The too high safety looks, the disguise looks that the Rams do defensively. All of these challenges are going to be things that Joe Burrow has not seen before, so I'm laying the points. Dave, you talk about being on the Rams all season long. Real leap of faith there when they had the fourth shortest odds to start the season. It was a month ago if you got on the Rams at 18 to 1 odds when they took a dip there. So anyhow, we're going to talk about it. We're like eighth choice to begin, not fourth. OK, OK, OK, that is fair. You guys, we just talked about a lot of the offense for both of these teams. I had reference to defense as well. Let's take a look at the total now. It is still sitting at 48 and a half. Bengals averaging 24 points per game this post season. The under 27, 10, and 1 in the Rams last 38 games as the favorite. That's what we're looking at on Sunday. Pony, you're starting us off here. How are you playing the total? Well, I'm going to go over. I think if you look at the championship games, some things happen that caused both of those games to go over. There was a red zone interception to start the Rams 49ers game. You had the debacle at the end of the first half of the Chiefs Bengals game. So I see that as a very low wonder. I like to create scores in my head, Cole. 28-21 sounds about right, and that gets you over. OK, well, I like to create my head as well. And if you take a look at the last six games, the Rams averaging just under 27 points per game, and the Bengals just a shade over 27. So I'm no mathematician like our guy, E-double, over here. But when you put the numbers together, it looks as if it could maybe even go over 50. I have it coming in right at 51. I'm going 27-24 Cincinnati Bengals. It's going to be all over WKRP. They'll be going nuts. There's a reference where a bit of a question. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, we need something like for that younger target demographic, like WKRP. That's where Turkey's going to lie. Yeah, exactly. No, I'm going with over in this one as well, because here's a hot take. Cooper Cup may be having the best season any receiver has ever had in football. No way, really? No, the numbers certainly back this up. And I feel like this is one more opportunity for him to showcase what he can do. And certainly, we'll talk about his prop in a bit. But here is someone who, regardless of it's obvious who the ball is going to in this particular situation, he's still able to do this. And now he's going to get this incredible matchup. And I still feel like he's going to be able to shine. And so the Bengals will have to play catch up. They will have to pass a lot more to keep up with the Rams. And that leads to an over for me. All right, we're going to talk props in just a minute. But I'm still stuck on WKRP and Cincinnati. I don't need a copyright infringement. I don't even care. I just did it. Hey, Betters, if you prefer a simple money line bet, you know what to do.  Check it out. Our guys are going to put the graphic up for you. It's Super Bowl 56. So new users making their first sportsbook wager will get 56 to 1 odds up to $5 on that money line bet for this Super Bowl. That's right. A winning $5 wager means you'll win $280 in cash. It is that simple. So download the Faddle Sportsbook app. Sign up for your new account. Place a money line wager on the Super Bowl that is just picking the team that's going to win. And take advantage of this 56 to 1 odds promotion going on right now. Again, it's the Faddle Sportsbook app. I teased it. I have to deliver. It is player prop time. And we just talked about Cooper Cup. So I'm going to go right there. And I'm going to start with you, Ed, because Cooper Cup over or under 105 and a half receiving yards on Sunday against these Bengals. I have it as a sharp line. But I'm going slightly over that in large part because what makes him so special and what made Matt Stafford so special this season is what they've done against the Blitz. Cooper Cup has been targeted about as much as any receiver whenever a defense throws that fifth rusher out there. And even though the Bengals have a lower blitz rate than most teams in football, at some point they will throw a fifth rusher out there. And because of that, Stafford is going to make them pay with Cooper Cup over the top. He's hit this number 13 out of 20 games this year, including postseason and regular season. And I've been saying it the last few weeks when he keeps hitting that number. 325 yards, the last two is combined. But he can either get those quick 10-yard catches or a 50-yard bomb. Either way, it just adds up so quick. All right, Pony, I'm going to come to you with the Bengals wide receiver. Let's talk about Jamar Chase over under 28 and a half yards for his longest reception against the Rams. All right, so if this was September, I'd go over because he did it in every game the first month of the season. And in the last few weeks, I think only one of the last four games he's hit that. He's got Jalen Ramsey on him. So I don't think it's going to be a volume day for Chase. But I do think he can hit one big play. So I'm going to take the over. And Jalen Ramsey, sneaky big for those who have never seen that young man in person. But either way, when it comes to, I have, I have. He's barrel-chested from front to back. One of the biggest dudes you want to see that's listed right at about six foot two. When it comes to Jamar Chase, has seven touchdowns this year on deep passes. I think once again this year, we're going to see him go big. He's only rookie with multiple 100-yard receiving games so far in the playoffs. So I'm going to go with the over when it comes to receiving tolls. This is a decadent game for me, so I'm going. You're going to, okay. We have one more prop here before we move on and we are going to come back to props a little bit later on the show. But Dave, I want to give you Bengals quarterback Joe Burrow. We got it over under 276 and a half passing yards on Sunday. He didn't hit that number against the Chiefs because surprisingly they were winning in the fourth quarter and he was able to slow it down. Right, but in this particular game, I think he's in chase mode and I think he's going to get those yards in the fourth quarter that puts him over. It almost seems too easy, doesn't it? I mean, in the last three in the playoff games, he's had 35 pass attempts or more. So if he does that again, which I think he will because he'll be behind, I think he goes over. Yeah, he's had nine games though this season. Playoffs included where he's gone over 276 and a half. So I think why not make it a nice, nice little number for the Roman numeral crowd given X number 10 comes on Sunday for Joe Burrow. I like the under here in large part because I think this is going to be a short average depth of target game and he will probably run a little bit more and also to the fourth down aggressiveness for the Bengals really isn't there. So I feel like this is not going to be the same kind of game where he's going to have a ton of drop backs. All right, you guys have some player props. We're going to get to game props a little bit later in the show. Well, a heads up for you guys. But right now we've got to move on because plenty more coming up, including Chargers Tide and Jared Cook joining us right here on our Fandals set in just a couple of minutes. You do not want to miss that. But first we're going to give our DFS players a little love here. Yep, we're stacking your roster to help you win cash. Fandals hooking up our fans with millions in prizes for free. We've been doing it all season long. I hope you've been taking advantage on Fandal.com. Sign up for the Super Bowl DFS contest. Set your roster, play and win. Of course, our job is to help you secure the points. We're taking you behind the scenes here. Everybody's moving around. But we want to turn to senior writer and editor for Number Fire, Jim Sonnis. Jim, give us your Super Bowl stud plays. What you got? Nicely, so yeah, the fun thing about the Super Bowl 56 is that we know where the ball is going on both sides which means we can have some fun with these studs. And to me that does start with Joe Nixon at $12,500. I think he's a bit under salaried at that mark, mostly because of what he does near the goal line. In the full games mixed and has played this year, he has 46% of the team's red zone carries or targets. So when the Bengals get close, they go to mix and that's good for him especially given a pretty nice passing in role he has had throughout these high leverage games. I also like his quarterback, Joe Burrow, checking in at $15,000. Burrow has shown that when they give him a passing volume in this offense, he can come through. There is some risk here for sure because the Rams defensive line is very good, that could increase the number of sacks, interceptions, et cetera, et cetera. But Burrow has shown that he can come through even in tough spots. I do like Burrow at $15,000 as a discount from Matthew Stafford. Speaking of Stafford, I wanna get most of Stafford's production by using his wide receiver, Cooper Cup, who checks in at $16,000. If you use Cooper Cup, you're effectively getting a lot of the passing points that Matthew Stafford would get you without having to roster Stafford. So Cooper Cup checks in at $16,000. We know he's gonna be the go-to guy for this Rams offense. If Tyler Higbee can't go, we may see even more targets go. Cooper Cup's way has been absurdly consistent this year with the high ceiling as well. That's hard to replicate on any slate, especially a single game one. So to me, I think those are the three studs I'm focusing on most in order to get the large share of the production from both of these two high-powered offenses. The biggest game is all I want is the large share production. Thank you, Jim. There you have it. Go to Fandall.com. Sign up for free at DFS competitions right now. Of course, use Jim's information for a chance to win millions in prizes. Follow our guru on Twitter, at Jim's on us. Twitter and Instagram as well. Also hit up his podcast, the Heat Check Fantasy podcast on Apple Podcast. Thanks, Jim. Always great to have you on the show. And now I tease it. We deliver. I wanna bring in a special guest to the more ways to win set. Chargers, Titan, Jared Cook. Give it up, everybody. Woo!  Hey, Jared, thanks for being here. I appreciate you having me. I would say welcome to LA, but you're here. This is what you do. What does it feel like to be a part of Super Bowl Week leading up to it, hanging with all this media crazies? Man, it's awesome. Super Bowl Week's always a great time. So many events, so many social activities that you can get involved in, and what's better than a game on Sunday to finish off a great week. You know, I'm gonna ask you to pick the game on Sunday. Tell us who's gonna win the game. Maybe I'll even press you for, like, by how many points, but, you know, I'll feel it. I'll feel that. We've got lots to do. I mean, I thought I was impressed by your passcatching. Your voice has blown me away. Yeah. My goodness. Unreal. So baritone over here. Take all these jobs. Your quarterback, Herbert. The qualities he has, the skills he has to play in a game like this. He's not that far away, is he? No, I don't think so. Just very instinctual, very smart quarterback, very strong and big quarterback. Reminds you a lot of a little bit of a mix of Chris Sims, Ben Roethlisberger, and, you know, a few... Now you're speaking my language with Roethlisberger. A few other Hall of Fame quarterbacks that are out there. He can just ball, he can do it all. And I think he's a few years away from taking this team where it needs to be.  You played with Drew Brees as well. When you look at that young quarterback against these more established elite quarterbacks, what comparisons do you see between him and those guys? Just his understanding to be able to grasp a difficult playbook, to be able to go out there and lead a team, and to be able to convert when you need him to convert and stay on the field and make drives happen. It's very far and few in between that you find young quarterbacks that are able to do that in the league and be able to do that for years.  So I think he has a great chance to continue to be able to do that in the future Hall of Fame for real. Yeah, and Jared, in year two, Justin Herbert is showing all those leadership qualities that you want to see from a quarterback. And for you, as you dip your toes into those free agency waters, what's the ideal situation? Is it maybe somewhere else to stay a charger and continue to see what can grow with you and Justin? You know, I'm not sure. We're going to see what this free agency brings. I'd like to be with a veteran quarterback, you know, somebody who understands the game and brings kind of a veteran field to the locker room and veteran presence. And just a locker room now to be lucky to have me. So just kind of seeing where things go and proceed as we do. When it came to this season, I think one of the bigger storylines for the chargers was how often you guys went for it on fourth down. Talk about the idea of being so aggressive on fourth down. And if it worked out or it didn't work out, what was the mood on the sideline like given that it is a little unorthodox? You know, we started going for it early in the season. So we kind of understood the feel of what coach was trying to do. And we understood completely. Every time we stepped on the field, if we were in a gotta have it situation, then it's on us to be able to pull that off. You know, sometimes it didn't work out as planned, but you know, you got to go with what the coach is called. And I completely understand not putting us, you know, maybe not kicking field goals and maybe not getting points to be able to go for it on a fourth and short or a third and short. But a lot of times those situations did pan out for us. More towards sort of at the beginning of the season, it really panned out for us well. But towards the end, we started converting less and less. So, you know, those are tough situations to put your team in, but we did the best we could with what was called and went out there and ran the play. All right, Jared, take us back to week 13. You know what, you know what I'm talking about. You beat the Bengals in week 13. What's the blueprint to beat them? You just got to stay on top of their receivers. I think we saw it a little bit in the AFC Championship game, how they took J. Mara out of the game a little bit, especially in that first half. I think that's something that they're going to have to focus on, taking their key playmakers out of the game and find the way to contain Borough, man. He's playing lights out right now, playing really good football, finding his receivers down the field and making plays with his legs. So, I feel like you got to contain him first and foremost. All right, which team in quarterback do you think utilizes your position, the tight end better, Bengals or Rams? I feel like the Bengals do. I feel like Uzama's been with the Bengals for a minute and I feel like this has really been a year that he's stepped out of his comfort and they've used him to his ability and he's blowing up. All right, let's get back to the Bolts because Herm Edwards once upon a time said, hello, you play to win the game in week 18. Sunday night football, we know how everything went down. You could have played for the tie to try to get yourselves into the postseason, but are there any regrets there? Do you wish you would have played for that time? That comes back kind of down to the fourth court, the conversions and going forward on laid downs.  You know, you saw that they were kind of trying to run the clock out and maybe do it, but that third down, that third and long, it was kind of a little questionable what they were going to do. And then we called the timeout. And then, you know, I think Vegas kind of took it for okay. It is what it is. Let's just go ahead and get this first and kick it. I wish we would have played for a tie. It's always something you want to do to be able to play in postseason. I think it says a lot about your team and the players that you have around you. So it's stunk that we didn't get a chance to, but that's just what it's called. That's how the game played out. When you took on the Bengals, obviously they were in a certain state, but when you watched them in the playoffs, are they drastically different than what we saw in the regular season? I think they're a little bit different. I think they know what type of momentum they have behind them. And I think it's such an amazing story with how many years they've been to the playoffs and had their first playoff win and everything that's going on with Joe Burrow in his first year, coming off a national championship. I think it's an incredible story for them to be able to capitalize on it. I think that's been huge momentum for them moving forward. All right, Jared, now I gotta ask you. Super Bowl 56 on Sunday. Who's winning? Rams or Bengals? That's a tough one for me. I'm a former Ram. Love to see quite a few of those guys winning, but I'm gonna go with the Bengals. I think it's a great story and I hope those guys go out there and do it.  If you look at his Instagram, he's got a tab up there that says chef and that looks pretty good. What's your go-to dish? Man, I'm a big breakfast guy. I love breakfasts all the times of the day. Yes. You can't go wrong with it. Can't mess it up too much. I'm not a great cook but that's what I do. That's what I specialize in. Your little man loves it. I can tell from that Instagram. Jared Cook, thank you so much. Two-time Pro Bowl Titan of the Los Angeles Chargers. Appreciate you joining us and being here for Super Bowl 56. Some great insight certainly there from Jared Cook. We have another great guest coming up later here on Marways to win former Bill's wide receiver and Pro Bowl Hall of Famer, Andre Reed. Joining us here on set, of course, he went to four Super Bowls. We'll ask him about his experience and what advice he has for players going to this year's big game. Plus, we'll ask him to break down the receiving core for both teams and tell us which side has the advantage and you know I'll be getting his Super Bowl pick as well. That's former Bill's wide out, Andre Reed coming up on more ways to win in just a few moments. And I told you we're gonna keep the prop party roll. I'm gonna look at some fun game props available for you. We did the player props earlier. Now we're gonna get into those game props. Again, it's the Fandalsports Book app. Use that promo code. It's on the bottom of your screen. The whole show. More ways at 1000. Dave and Pony, I'm gonna start with you first here. Largest lead of the game over or under 14 and a half points, Pony, I'm gonna start with you. All right, I'm gonna go over 14 and a half. We've seen some games, the Bengals, they get down big, they fight back. The Rams were down double digits against the Niners. This has been such a weird, freakish NFL playoffs. And I just think that trend's gonna continue. But if that's the trend, haven't all these games been close? Well, maybe they've been close at the end, but the Rams can open a big lead. I think there will be maybe a 17-21 point gap. I'm gonna say over as well.  That Chiefs Bill's game, don't get me started. All right, Ed and Cole, you guys are up now. I wanna get to the shortest touchdown scored over or under one and a half yards. Ed, you first. Well, I'm going over here in large part because Matt Stafford is not that much of a runner. He doesn't take off very much. And so that's part of it. The other thing too is these are not two teams that are aggressive on fourth downs. And so if it gets to a fourth and goal situation from the two or the one, I would not be surprised if they go ahead and take the points, which will aggravate me as the data scientist here, but I still think that's probably the route. Well, when it comes to data and analytics, I think you'd be very appreciative of the fact that we're not gonna have any flashbacks to Super Bowl nine or Super Bowl 17. No blocked puns in the end zone. So I'm gonna have to side with you. I'm gonna go with the over. Everyone that's gonna score, they're gonna do it from, you know, more than a yard and a half out. That's what I'm saying. Takes one PI and they both lose. PI at the one, you guys lose. Okay. That's fine. That's fine. Come on ref, help us out. I'm getting the, like the, you know, TV speak producer wrapping me in the air, but I wanna get to this. Coin toss, let's do the coin toss. Opening coin toss, heads or tails? Dave, start us off. Imaginary coin. Tails! I always bet this. See, I think everyone says tails never fail. So I'm gonna go heads. I'm a contrarian. You know that. You're stuck. Always. I'm going heads. I'm going heads. I'm starting with Pony. It's flipping the coin anyway. That matters in terms of the- Fred Flintstone. Fred Flintstone. Fred Flintstone. Yeah, double flip. Okay, then it won't flip. It won't flip. It won't end this year. I'm sure you have models to break that down. Of course I do. It flips it and then the percentages for each guy. End resistance. Great stuff, guys. Of course there are hundreds of fun game and player prop bets right now for you on the Fandals Sportsbook app. You can check them all out right now, but if you prefer a simple money line bet, we got you.  Check this out. It is Super Bowl 56. So you know how we roll. New users making their first sportsbook wager will get 56 to one odds up to $5 on a money line bet for this Super Bowl. That's right. A winning $5 wager means you will win $280 in cash. It's that simple. Just download the Fandals Sportsbook app. You can do it right now. Do it from your phone. Sign up for your new account. Place that money line wager on the Super Bowl kick.  You can do that. You take advantage of the 56 to one odds promotion going on right now on the Fandals Sportsbook app. All right, let's keep this thing going by bringing on a pro football hall of famer, wide receiver, odds to the set here. Former Bills, wide out Andre Reed is in house. Thanks so much for joining us. My man, it's so good to see you in person. So good to see you. I made it. Not too far. I live in San Diego, so big deal. You made it. You made it. But you were on the show earlier in the season. Love having you on. Gave us a lot of insight and context into your bills. I want to talk to you about them as well. But I want to give you some props first because Andre had more than 950 receptions, more than 13,000 yards receiving in 16 years in the league, of course, went to four straight Super Bowls with the bills.  I'm going to get your insight. I'm going to get your pick. But lots to lots to dig into here. So we're going to get right to it and week leading up to the Super Bowl. This is what we do. We pick their brains just a few days away. What are these players experiencing? What are they feeling as they lead up to the biggest game of their lives? Well, a lot of them it's the first time. And when they say, oh, it's just a regular game. Really, it isn't. Back in 1990, my first Super Bowl, playing the Giants. Media wasn't it like it is now. And it was a lot to handle. Besides family coming in, you got tickets, you got a lot of stuff going on in your head. But I think this week, both those coaches know that this is football and we have to get back to business what we do. And it'll be a feel good story for both teams. You know, Joe Burrell, hometown guy, Ohio guy. It would be great for him to win. And obviously Matthew Stafford is what he's done this year. Being in Detroit and all the bad things that went on in Detroit, it'd be a great thing for them to win the Rams. Hey, Andre, speaking of the hometown thing. Yeah. Do you think the Rams? Yeah, oh yeah. You think being at home helps them in this game? No doubt about it. I mean, there's going to be fans all over the place from both teams. But playing in their home stadium, just like Tampa did last year. What team's going to help them? It will. It definitely will. They'll feel good about just being there and knowing that it's their stadium and their Stairfield. And you've got to get every vantage you can in this game. And that's going to be a good advantage for them. I want to talk about being the number one receiver. Because we've got two teams in this contest where there are obvious number one receivers. How is it that, yeah, talent obviously matters, but play design matters as well. How do you keep these offenses unpredictable? Like you guys were able to do in Buffalo to where you were still able to get the ball, but they were doing it in creative ways. Yeah. Well, with the Rams, you know, Cooper Cubs had a great season. There's no doubt about it. He's the go-to guy. Odell has come through. Has played well in the last couple of games, especially in the playoffs. That was a great move for them to pick up to get Odell. And that could be the X factor in the game coming up on Sunday. And then for Bengals, I mean, they got, everybody's under 25 years old. That's a skill guy. You know, Higgins and Jamar Chase. And you got Tyler Boyd. But one thing about these games, man, defense, they say wins championships. And it's all about one mistake and who can make that mistake the difference in the game. It could be defense, but obviously both teams are very, got very much firepower on offense. Andre, I wish we had more time, but before we run, I got to ask you, very quickly, who's going to win the game? We have 20 seconds to go. We got the spot on 20 seconds. Well, I'm going to go with the hometown team, I guess, with the Rams. I got a lot of friends on the Rams, so I want the Rams to win. There it is. Andre Reed, I want to thank Jared Cook and everybody behind the scenes here at Fandle. Thanks for watching. We'll see you tomorrow.


So when a critter is infested by parasites, they often will go through this like burst of sexual activity where, for example, there's some snails when they get infected by the fluke. Like their body knows, dude, I got a parasite. It's not looking good.  Before it does that, the snail does this like massive, like obsessive, holy, all I care about in life is having sex. And the snail will go around and make babies like mad as fast as it can because there's something in it that knows, this is my shot. I need to get my genes out there before this parasite takes over. There are flies that they get infected by these cactus mites and they triple their efforts to have sex. Like they watched it. Once they become infected with parasites, they're like, I better do it now before I look all terrible and no lady will have me because she knows that my genes are awful and parasite-ridden, really. So they try really hard to make babies.  But they reach sexual maturity faster.  We can totally, like we got tons of time to make babies. We're going to live a nice, long life and slowly reproduce. Parasites have an impact on the whole system and the strategies that these populations of critters employ, keep in mind. It's not like they sit down and they say, okay, now we need to have a meeting and come up with the strategy that's going to get rid of these parasites. The strategy is the one that worked. It's the, whatever strategy works is what people are going to do because the strategies that don't work are dead and they're not passing on their genes. They're not passing on their information. Their information dies when they die. If you don't make babies and pass on your genes, your information is done, which is one of the arguments why, dude, we're kind of obsessed, like all critters are. You might think that the whole point of everything is just to pass on your genes and there's lots of critters that kind of act like that. Now, this whole thing was about how we battle parasites, but let's just take a minute to value some of the strategies that parasites have to be amazing. So it's time for the glorious parasite runway.


Welcome to NTN Nightly, I am General Norville, this edition, Stop Stories. The Ministry of Health and Wellness wants that St. Lucia may experience a fourth wave of COVID-19 infection if protocols are not adhered to. The Minister for Education gets a first-hand look at the successes of the Sir Arthur Lewis Community College and tapping into the power of music to shape lives. The Ministry of Health and Wellness has issued a bleak warning to St. Lucia. Observe all control and prevention protocols for COVID-19 or St. Lucia may be set for a fourth wave of infection. The warning came as officials updated the nation via the Information Command Center on NTN on the status of the in-country infection, transmission and recovery from the coronavirus. Chief Medical Officer Dr. Sharon Belmar George explained that the risks for community spread include non-adherence of visitors to hotel protocols, reduced use and poor use of face masks in public places, increased mass crowd events across the island, non-adherence to establish protocols at business places, and the crowding of public buses without the use of face masks. The Chief Medical Officer noted that due to the non-compliance to protocols, the country may be heading towards another COVID-19 outbreak. Previously, we were managing with a rate of transmission of 1.1. We have gone up to 1.54 and we see the upward trend towards a fourth wave in country. We are at a very critical point and we want to ensure that everyone is aware of where we are and our actions at this point is really going to determine how we continue to manage. We can end up getting to a major outbreak as we are seeing happening in the rest of the world. The CMO further explained that the very communities in which a majority of the protocols are being breached are the ones recording increased COVID-19 cases. Everyone must take personal responsibility and adhere to all COVID-19 protocols for the safety of the citizenry. There's been a general relaxation of the measures during the month of May. I think if we all take an honest look around what's happening on the ground within the communities, the social activities and there are specific areas which we have flagged and picked up the outbreak of our cases, there are certain services that are higher risk where we get more cases when there is one detected. So it is really important that we as a country do what is necessary. We take personal responsibility to ensure that we protect ourselves and our family. The Ministry of Health and Wellness noted that while a general decrease in COVID-19 cases has been observed over time, the possibility of an outbreak looks as members of the public continue to disregard the protocols. The world over people are being encouraged to get vaccinated against the coronavirus in order to regain some semblance of normalcy to their lives. But accessing the COVID-19 vaccines remains a challenge for small and developing states like St. Lucia. Prime Minister the Honourable Alan Chastney is among many leaders challenged with the procurement efforts for additional vaccines outside the COVAX facility. He says the difficulties have been compounded by international developments, including new waves of the pandemic. Every time you think that you have a deal, then it changes. So for instance, many times we've had arrangements thinking that we're going to be getting the vaccines and then all of a sudden you had the significant outbreak in India and all of a sudden India needed additional vaccines. You had a fourth wave taking place in Europe and you found yourself competing against some of those larger countries for those same vaccines. And then you have the other situation where you have some larger countries which are making sure that you vaccinate their population before they export any vaccines. So it is a significant powder. Every day of mine is being spent on trying to procure and secure additional vaccines. I know that that is the critical step for us to turn a major corner in this COVID battle. I certainly want to protect and make sure everybody's protected. So the first responsibility of the state is to make sure that we have access to the vaccines. Thanks to initial donations as well as procurement through the COVAX facility, St. Lucia has enough doses to inoculate 20% of its population. Residents are encouraged to get vaccinated at the earliest from the Department of Health's current stock while the government seeks out additional batches. I think the next couple of weeks will really tell the story in terms of solutions, willingness to take the vaccination. But I'm hoping that just even the recent events where we've seen an uptake, an increase in a number of cases, this fight is not over. And the only way we can fight this battle and win is by people becoming vaccinated. It was very sad, a football team from view 4 that had been practicing for months to be able to go off to the tournament. A day before they were supposed to go, five of the players tested positive and their trip was cancelled. So this is the level of investment we're all making and it's being marginalized because of COVID. We still now have to find vaccines for at least another 60% of the population to get to herd immunity. We are seeing the success in Israel by getting herd immunity. Sadly, Seychelles thought they had reached herd immunity and then now there was a significant outbreak and they were at 60% vaccination. So again, the more people that can become vaccinated, the ideal being everybody being vaccinated, then I think that's the only time that we can assure sole protection. Prime Minister, the Honourable Alan Chastney. That's the Alpha Lewis Community College recently presented the Minister for Education with a blueprint of its successes as the institution curves a space for itself locally, regionally and internationally. Harmody Mark reports. The Minister for Education, Innovation, Gender Relations and Sustainable Development Honourable Dr. Gail Rigabat recently visited the Seychelles Alpha Lewis Community College. She was updated on the current developments, successes and plans of the campus. The Minister visited the Derek Walcott Library, a new installment at the college, and the school's eLearning Academy. Dr. Keith Nurse is the principal of the Seychelles Alpha Lewis Community College. We're also able to share with the Minister the upcoming developments to establish an innovation hub here at the college, which would house four sub-labs. The first lab that we are establishing is an environmental sciences lab. We're doing testing of everything from water quality and air quality to soil and other environmental areas. The second lab is a food sciences lab or food tech lab, which will allow for both agri-process facilities as well as, again, testing, certification in the area of food processing as well as food development. The other upcoming projects shared with the Minister include a media technology laboratory focused on application development and robotics. Additionally, Seychelles Alpha Lewis Community College hopes to establish a virtual reality laboratory to aid in teaching subjects that traditionally require hands-on training. Dr. Nurse also shared with the Minister plans to set up a café in the centre of the college courtyard with the goal of making the campus more hospitable. The goal there is to make the centre of the campus a more hospitable place for students and staff as well as the institutions that surround us. We're talking about CAFA, the Caribbean Regional Public Health Agency, which is situated on our campus. We also have neighbours like HTS, Helen Television Systems, which is right across the road from us. The OECS Secretariat, which is adjacent to us. As well as the UU Open Campus. And so the goal is to create a magnet where we invite both our neighbours as well as our staff and students and the general public to come up to the campus and experience our culinary delights. The principal explained another goal of the project is to host a farmer's market on weekends. This will allow the college to sell the produce from its farm. Concessionaires ranging from crafters to food producers and agro-processes will be invited to sell local products. Honourable Dr. Rigabet applauded the college on the revamping of its associate degree programmes. The advancements made in digital education and the modular approach currently used in 60% of the college's classes and the introduction of four new bachelor degree programmes from the Government Information Service, Humadi Mark reporting. The Youth Empowerment programme has held its first activity under its component titled Creative and Expressive Arts for Peace and Development. Sherroy Marius has more. Acknowledging the power of music in influencing young people, the Ministry of Equity, Social Justice, Local Government and Empowerment has teamed up with the Community Relations branch of the Royal St. Lucia Police Force to host an extempo challenge under the Youth Empowerment project, YEP. This project is jointly funded by the Government of St. Lucia and the Caribbean Development Bank, CDB. This initiative targets youth within castries and is intended to provide an avenue for them to creatively express themselves on social issues with a focus on identifying youth-oriented solutions to some of these issues. In preparation for this challenge, the Ministry is hosting a series of training workshops geared towards sensitising the youth on matters relating to the impact of crime and violence on the society. The workshops which are being hosted at the Castries Town Hall will commence on Saturday, April 24th, 2021 and will continue every Saturday until the end of May, 2021. Inspector Alex Morgan of the Royal St. Lucia Police Force and one of the programme facilitators emphasise the importance of young people finding alternative ways to express their views on social issues. For your involvement, we could know where we're going as a country. Crime and violence as it impacts our community and we're also looking at what we can do as individuals to ensure that we address that situation of crime and violence. In the process, we'll be looking for information from you as we speak as to what you think we can do about crime, okay, what you think is working, what you think is not working and from there we can take it and you can also use some of that same information in your music when you do your extemp. A pleasant good morning to everybody. Welcome to the extemp. Order programme partners and facilitators include Dr Stephen King as well as Mr Gilroy Isai Hall, reigning extemp. Monaco St Lucia and Ms Karen Tobie who are assisting participants with the compositions of their extemp. lyrics. The workshops held thus far have yielded encouraging results as participants have actively participated in discussions on possible solutions relating to crime and violence in their communities. One workshop participant commended the ministry for a job well done. I'd like to thank my mother for introducing me to the event telling me to come. So I came ahead and I must say the event was very empowering. It really spoke volumes to me. It was really uplifting to see the information that I grasped and the knowledge that I grasped. I also realised, Lord, there are a lot of young people involved so that's a good initiative because of lifting the young ones is always a good thing for the future. Well, I learned violin about robbery. I learned about the community and safety and violence, well we need to stop the violence you just need to tell people to stop and if you don't tell them to stop it will just continue happening. The Permanent Secretary and the Ministry of Equity, Social Justice, Local Government and Empowerment Mrs. Valder-Joseph is pleased with this initiative which she believes will not only help to foster a sense of awareness of the impact of social issues among the youth but also engender creativity and critical thinking. One, two, three, four, five. One, two, three, four, five. One, two, three, four, five. One, two, three, four, five. The Youth Empowerment Project which is currently being administered through the Ministry of Equity is one which has the youth as one of its primary target groups as well as families by extension. That project has several components and several initiatives attached to it some of them ongoing and some to commence shortly. The Ex Tempo Challenge is one such initiative that is ongoing and I think it is a really creative way of engaging the energies of young people in thinking about the social issues that confront us and also in giving thought to the mitigation measures that can be implemented to reduce the risk and the impact of those issues. We welcome the initiative at the Ministry we commend the organizers and we want to say to the young people thank you for participating we do recognize that you have answers to some of those issues we do recognize that your contributions are meaningful and that you can play a key role in the sustainable development of your community. The Ex Tempo Challenge will be held on May 30th, 2020 reporting from the Ministry of Equity, Social Justice, Local Government and the Empowerment, I am Chivri Marius. This is NTN Nightly, stay with us. As a single mother, I do a lot of ironing knowing that the iron that I'm using is safe is important to me. The St. Lucia Bureau of Standards tests electrical appliances being imported into the country.  If your iron does not come with a British 3-pin plug it should be sold with a compliant British 3-pin adapter. If you buy any appliance that is faulty report it to the Bureau. This message is brought to you by the Commonwealth Standards Network. Welcome back. On Friday, May 14, 2021 the Royal St. Lucia Police Force Welfare Association along with the Office of the Commissioner of Police visited the police in St. Vincent and the Grenadines. During the visit of financial contribution along with water and other supplies were made to the St. Vincent and the Grenadines Police Welfare Association from the St. Lucia Contingent. The donation was made possible through contributions made by police officers in St. Lucia who wished to provide support to affected members in our sister island. The contingent also visited with local officers from the Special Services Unit who are currently posted in St. Vincent. The police marine unit subsequently made a donation of supplies to the St. Vincent Coast Guard. The Royal St. Lucia Police Force will continue to render any assistance possible during this time to St. Vincent and the Grenadines and encourages anyone able to make contributions to do so through Nemo St. Lucia. Main time St. Vincent and the Grenadines Prime Minister calls for renewed multilateralism in addressing peace and security. He made the call as the global community observed International Day of Peace on May 15. More from Toussaint King, English Francis. Prime Minister of St. Vincent and the Grenadines doctor, the Honourable Ralph Gonzalez has called on all states to work together within the framework of international law and with the support of the United Nations to achieve the vision of global peace and security. Prime Minister Gonzalez was the only head of state who addressed a United Nations Security Council high-level video conference briefing on maintenance of international peace and security, upholding multilateralism and the United Nations-centered international system. The meeting was one of the signature events of China's presidency of the UN Security Council. Prime Minister Gonzalez said the COVID-19 pandemic laid bare the imperative of renewed multilateralism steeped in inclusivity, equality and justice. He called for bold and innovative steps to alleviate human suffering caused by vast and expanding security challenges globally. Capacity building and development assistance should be scaled up and national ownership over peace and political processes strengthened. Practical, inclusive, people-centered and climate-sensitive solutions ought to be developed and implemented in line with national needs and priorities and in accordance with the sustainable development goals. It is necessary and desirable that all states must work together constructively and within the framework of international law with the support and assistance of the United Nations and relevant regional and sub-regional organizations to achieve this vision of a more peaceful and prosperous world. Prime Minister of St. Vincent and the Grenadines Honorable Dr. Ralph Gonzalez with the Caricum News Time Report.


Live from San Francisco, celebrating 10 years of high-tech coverage, it's theCUBE. Covering VMworld 2019. Brought to you by VMware and its ecosystem partners. Welcome back, everyone. Day three CUBE coverage here in San Francisco for VMworld 2019. I'm John Furrier, Stu Miniman here with Dave Vellante. Day three kickoff. We have two sets, wall-to-wall coverage. Guys, this is the time where we get to, you know, take a deep breath, two days under our belts, look and reflect on all the news we've covered in our two last analysis sessions, but also kind of riff on. We got two nights in hallway conversations. We learned a lot at the parties. I mean, Stu, I learned a lot last night. Dave, I know you learned a lot, Stu. You're talking about some of the things that, the chatter, certainly the Twitter sphere hashtag, VMworld, a lot of action on there, but it's the hallway conversations. It's the parties where people have a few cocktails someday that, you know, you start to hear the truth. The real deal comes out. No doubt, and again, John, Stu, there's real concern over, from the practitioners we talked to, about this acquisition spree. Are they going to be integrated? Are they going to just throw all this stuff at us and keep jamming products and services down our throats? Or is this going to be a coherent set of solutions that solves our problem? We also had a little interesting side conversation about, you know, Snowflake, Frank Slutman's new company and how basically Frank is bringing back the pirates from data domain and from ServiceNow, Mike Scarpelli's over there. He's a rock star CFO. Beth White is eventually, is back over there and Frank Slutman, he's the guy who takes companies from, you know, 100 million to a billion. So that's going to be very interesting. This is some serious money-making going on there. We have been following his career for a number of years now. We watched him, like, take data domain. We watched him pull that rabbit out of his hat with the sale, with NetApp and then EMC swooped in and then we saw what he did with ServiceNow. We've documented, this is an individual to watch. You know, for sure. He's a world-class management team member. I mean, he's executes. Yo, yeah, no doubt. And he has a formula that's been proven and time and time again. And to me, the biggest testament to Slutman is the continued success of data domain after he left. He really helped clean up EMC's data protection mess. And then the second thing is, look at ServiceNow's performance after he left. They haven't missed a beat. And yeah, John Donahoe, great executive and all, but it's because Frank Slutman had everything in place and that was a really well-run machine. And they got a nice little Oracle-like business model. Yeah, no, you're right.  Bring it to Oracle. Yeah, that was true. Stu, what have you learned? What are you hearing in the hallways? I mean, a lot of chatter. Yeah, so John, we've been reflecting back a lot. It's the 10th year of theCUBE here and back here in San Francisco, the new Moscone, our third show that I've been at this year in Moscone. And we always track year to year, but since it's been, what, four or five years since we were here for VMworld, when I talked to the average vendor, when I talked to, you know, the analysts here, we were like, oh, thank goodness, we're not in Vegas. When I talked to the average attendee, they're like, oh my God, what happened to San Francisco since last time we were here? It is too expensive and the experience walking around San Francisco has really, not nearly as nice as it might have been five or 10 years ago, and many of them, we were talking to a woman that runs an event that has been in Vegas in San Francisco and she said, oh, we did in San Francisco and got tremendous feedback. Don't do it there again. Bring back to Vegas, both for cost and the enjoyment of being around the environment.  San Francisco is horrible right now. I got to say, Stu, you're right. I was walking this morning from my hotel, literally a homeless person passed out in the middle of the sidewalk.  It's pee and rot. It's just, I mean, it's really bad. There's tents now. I mean, the city of San Francisco has got to do some Moscone, by the way. It's been rebuilt, it's awesome. So, you know, in terms of the new Moscones, Stu, that's a serious upgrade. Hotel rooms are scarce and just the homeless problem is just ridiculous. I don't know what they're doing here. So, John, one of the other big things when I was reflecting coming into here, two years ago, when VMware really started down right before the VMware and AWS announcement, they'd made a big announcement with IBM because they had sold off the Cloud Air to OVH. And for two years, OVH was a big partner, talked about that transition, said we handed off this great asset. OVH isn't here at the show.  Well, let's talk about who's not at the show and why. Yeah. OVH, why aren't they here? They aren't here because, well, they've got customers, more of them are in Europe. That was supposed to be a big entry into the United States. Obviously, it wasn't as valuable for them to be here, even though I'm sure they are still, you know, part of that service provider ecosystem they have. Another big one for us, and we've had on theCUBE Nutanix. You know, we've had D. Raj Pandey, first time we had him on was at this show. Still the majority of Nutanix customers are VMware customers. I've talked to lots of Nutanix customers at the event. Even part of the analyst event, some of the customers I talked to were like, oh yeah, my hardware stacks Nutanix. And I'm using NSX and I'm using other things there, but they are not here. They are not allowed to be at the show.  They can't come here. They can't come to the regional things. They can't do the partner things. So that relationship is definitely frozen. How about Red Hat? What kind of presence have you seen from Red Hat? Yeah, so there are a number of companies like Red Hat that they are kept at a lower level of sponsorship.  Lots of OpenShift runs on vSphere. So many of those companies that are part of the ecosystem, but not the ones that they want to celebrate and put front and forward. So it's always interesting to kind of walk around on those. Even, you know, Microsoft is an interesting relationship for decades with VMware. You know, of course, Azure they partner with, but Hyper-V was long a competitor. So, you know, we understand those competitive relationships there. It's getting interesting, Stu and Dave on the ecosystem. Jerry Chen, Dave, when Stu and I interviewed him yesterday on the other set, mentioned that the ecosystem reinvents itself, the community. The question now is, with Dell EMC and Dell Technologies, obviously, we heard Michael Dell essentially laying out his plan, which is he's trying to keep people distracted, but the bottom line is he's got his top people putting together the cloud, right? The cloud service provider model. So, you know, that's what he's going to be a big impact. VMware, the crown jewel of Dell Technologies, certainly he's looking more and more like it's... Well, and yesterday, you remember the first VM world we did in 2010, it was Dell, I mean, of course, EMC owned them at the time, but it was Dell, it was HP, yes, the EMC was there, but it was NetApp. I mean, everybody sort of had equal standing. Yesterday at the keynotes, it was, you know, project dimension, you know, a VMware cloud on Dell EMC and long keynotes. Big demos. Yeah, data protection's baked into the VMware offer. Yeah, so it's all very heavily, you know, Jeff Clark has his thumb on, you know, the Dell EMC folks pushing that through VMware. Michael's orchestrating the whole thing. Pat, obviously, is allowing it. I was sitting in the audience next to some folks from NetApp, they were like, this is kind of a bummer.  He then later went on Facebook saying, hey, I love this ecosystem, so it's sort of balancing it out because, you know, he wants to be a good citizen, but clearly the ecosystem partners who basically brought VMware, you know, to the position where it's in through distribution are a little ruffled right now. You can't blame them, but at the same time, the mandate is clear. Michael Dell is driving his products and his solutions through VMware, period of the end. And, you know, if you don't like it, leave. Right, they had such great success with vSAN and VxRail and that joint product development and go-to-market, if they can replicate that with a number of other solutions, they get that, those synergies, if you. Pat said yesterday. You don't like it, leave is worse than that. They say if you don't like it, you're not invited. That's right. You're out. But how about what Pat said yesterday in theCUBE about when they announced, and when heavily leaned into vSAN, he said publicly that Joe Tucci was pissed and, you know, they were going at it. So that shows you the change, right? I mean, so EMC when it owned VMware, I was very cautious about allowing VMware as a software company to drive value. VMware now is just acting like a software company. Going hard. I mean, I learned last night, Stu, and you're going to appreciate this. I learned that the top executives of VMware are looking heavily and working hard at understanding and driving the Kubernetes cloud native thing because this is not a throwaway deal. This is not a, you know, far anything. They are investing. They get their top brass tech execs on Kubernetes, Heptio, two big players, Joe Beta, Craig McLaughlin, who are key alumni as we know them, interviews this day one. But I think the cloud native thing is going to be interesting. And I think it's going to be an evolution. I think there's going to be a very dynamic road. I think it's going to be a series of course corrections, but directionally they're all in on it. They're going for it. I mean, they're not.  And the Ray O'Farrill announcement is there will be cloud native stuff that won't necessarily go to VMs. We're going to retool VMs to now be a platform for Kubernetes, so that they have a few paths to bridge or to build towards the future. Here's the interesting strategy discussion that I- And Ray O'Farrill was now running cloud native. Yeah, that's right. So here, this is, and this really ties in. The interesting discussion that I had with some folks was that you've essentially got, well, then Jerry Chen brought this up last time we had him on it at re-invent. Because we have a conversation all the time about does Amazon have to go up the stack? And Jerry Chen made a real good point. You are the stack. He said, look it. They're not going to become an ERP software company. What they're going to do is give tools to the builders so that they can disrupt ERP. They can disrupt service now. They can disrupt Oracle. That's their strategy, at least for now. Okay, so what does that say? I think the strategy discussion inside of VMware and Dell is about, all right, whatever. Cloud's going to be 35 to 50% of the market. Fine, and the cloud native app's great. But you got this, you know, mission critical. ERP is an example, database apps that are on-prem. What we have to do is keep them there. So we're going to sell to the incumbents and we're going to give them cloud native tools to modernize those apps, to build new apps on-prem. And that's the, that is the collision course that's coming. So the big question is, can the cloud native guys and AWS disrupt that huge, install-based ERP- I mean, I've always said Amazon is like the way that's coming in. Tsunami's coming in. Who's going to build that sea wall to stop it, right? And that's essentially the only hope that these guys have. You look at all the competitive strategy with Oracle or whoever, you just got to stop it. You can't like- It's a sea wall. You can't compete at it. You can't compete at it. They're building a sea wall. And I would say is that, you know, their only hope at this point is to, you know, get in the game because, see Amazon is the stack. They're not really moving up the stack. You hear that from Cisco and Dell and other people. That's where, it's a game of musical chairs right now. The music's, you know, there's still a lot of chairs left but soon the chairs are getting pulled away and Cisco, Dell, EMC, VMware, they're all fighting for these big chairs. And one thing we talked about yesterday is that VMware is very directional product-driven. In other words, they pick a direction as a statement of direction and don't really have a lot of meat on the bone on the product side. Cisco is actually in market with service providers. They're in market with networking, Stu. There's no vapor there. That's installed base. It's an incumbent business. They have developers. Yeah, and so Pat talks about Software Defined Data Center. Software Defined Networking. I mean, come on, really? I mean, they're getting there but they don't have the complete solution. I'm excited to, Cisco. Coming into this week, I expected to hear a bit more about the progress and all the customers of VMware on AWS and feel like VMware actually downplayed the AWS. We know what a strong partnership it is at every Amazon show we go to and we go to a lot of them now. There's a big presence there and I've talked to customers that are starting to roll out and move there but it felt like, you know, as Dave, as you pointed out, there are some messaging differences when you talk about multi-cloud and how they're positioning it. So, you know, put those together. If you're Amazon, you're not happy with VMware. Go into Microsoft, the Dell Technologies World, the big announcement, that was positioned at a cloud foundation, although it wasn't a joint engineering but the press picked it up as, oh, the Amazon deal has been replicated with Microsoft and Google.  So I've just been taking notes this event. I've noted at least five major points of difference between AWS, what they're saying and their philosophy in VMware. So AWS, we know, they don't talk multi-cloud. They've told their partners. If you're doing joint marketing with us, you cannot say multi-cloud. AWS had reinforced, John, we saw this. Stephen Schmidt said that this narrative that security is broken doesn't help the industry. Security's not broken. You know, we're doing great. The state of the nation is wonderful. AWS, I agree, by the way, that's not the case. I agree with Pat saying security's broken. It's a do-over. VMware wants to be the best infrastructure and developer software company. Who's the best infrastructure and software development platform? AWS, VMware wants to be the security cloud. Who's the security cloud? AWS, and then they talked about 10,000 cloud data centers. Are those really cloud data centers at VMware? And the last one was, and this was a little nuance, VMware's talking about, we know about migrate and modernize, lift and shift and then modernize. VMware's now talking about modernize and then migrate if you want to. You know, it's totally in conflict. This is a collision course that's coming up. Look at it, look at it. The data center looks like it was going away, right? To the data center staying. That's music to Michael Dell's VMware's ears. They live in the data center. Stu, you pointed this out yesterday. The data center goes away, so there's VMware's business. So one of the things I'm surprised, I'm wondering, you both have talked to some of the service provider, telco pieces of VMware. They're doing that project dimension, which is the VMware stack on Dell that looks just like Outposts. And I know they've had deployments on this for months. If I was them, you know, everybody's hearing about Outposts and talking about it, VMware's like, we're already doing it. And this has you in that Amazon ecosystem. It might be a little strong for the Amazon story, but have you been hearing any about that this week yet? I think they keep a lot of cars close to the chest, but it's clear from the announcements that they're doing, certainly Dell, like the VMware on Dell EMC cloud or whatever it's called, it's not a cloud, but it's their infrastructure. That is essentially a managed service that's going to be really strong for IT people, because I think that the value proposition of going to IT and saying, we have this, you don't need to do anything, it's very strong. I mean, because they don't want them. Yeah, and just to differ, because this, the project dimension, it is that single, that thinner stack, like what we saw in Outposts and the Amazon video, as opposed to the VMware cloud on AWS, which is the full CI or HCI stack on it. I haven't heard anything still on it. Well, but the conversations I had from VMware's standpoint, they can make money on that managed service. That's why it's the preferred partnership, right? And so that's, they're part of their cloud play. If you don't have a public cloud, I said this yesterday, you have to redefine cloud and you have to get into cloud services. That's what's happening. And it's exactly what's happening. And what I like about what VMware is doing is they are transitioning their model to a SaaS based model. Now it's only 12 and a half percent of their revenues today, but both Pivotal and Carbon Black are going to add a billion dollars next year to that subscription base, three billion dollars in year two. And so, Pat said the other day, I think we can get to 50-50. I don't necessarily think in the near term we're going to go beyond that. It's not the Adobe strategy. I mean, we can be critical of VMware in some areas, but I got to tell you their core strength that they went to is software operators on the data center for enterprises. That's been a great strategy focusing on their core, building from there, as Jerry Chen pointed out, adding other products. So, they're a software company. So I think they've really got a good solution and the data shows that people are increasing their spend. So John, just one piece on that because I had a couple of really good conversations with customers, customers that would deploy VCF. So they've got the full stack and they're so using HCI, but not necessarily on Dell hardware. Could be Cisco hardware. Could be HP hardware and the like, or they're buying NSX, but the virtualization team owns it and they get kind of put in a box. The storage team says, that's not the array I'm used to buying. Well, maybe I'll put a pure storage box and put it in between. The networking team says, I'm refreshing my Cisco hardware. We're like, but we have NSX and it's great. Well, you can use NSX over there. We're going to use ACI over here. So the term I heard from a number of customers is organizations still have hardware-defined roles and they're trying to figure out how to move to that software world which hurts me because I spent years trying to get beyond silos and helping people move through those environments and still in 2019, it's a big challenge. That organizational shift is, we know how tough that is. So just a couple of points on the data because you're right, there are some countervailing trends though. So yes, the people are spending more on VMware in the second half, but at the same time, the data shows that cloud is hurting VMware spend. So that's kind of gets interesting.  No, there's no evidence that containers are hurting VMware spend. But there's clearly risks there as we've talked about. Who's best positioned in multi-cloud? Well, it turns out the guys with the public cloud are best positioned in multi-cloud Google and Microsoft. And then the pivotal thing is interesting and it ties all this in. So the data is actually really interesting. It's like you're seeing tugs at both sides and I think your notion about the C wall is dead on. That's exactly what they're doing. Yeah, you see that with Oracle's trying to stop Jedi. They can't win, they just want to stop Amazon just with the tracks. Dave, great data, great reporting. Stu, good observations. Get all the data at night in parties and we're going to certainly keep doing that. Day three of wall-to-wall coverage here. Hugh bringing you the insights and interviews here. Live from VMworld 2019. Stay with us for more after this short break.


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