This is not a secret humans evolved as apex predators. And in many cases, a majority of our diet was meat and given the choice, you know, humans would choose to eat meat over plants, right? So humans were apex predators. We ate a lot of animals or at least the ones that survived it. And it just, we just co-evolved with that. And so we became better at utilizing those sources of protein. So just gram per gram, it's just, it's just better for you. So go for the animal sources. They're just, let me put it this way. You can eat less animal protein and get the same benefit as eating more plant protein. All right. Let's talk about protein gram per gram, gram versus gram. Okay. Animal protein is more effective at building muscle, at recovery, at satiety. It's more bioavailable to your body. So if you have to pick between plant protein and animal protein, choose animal protein. Okay. Now in the context of getting a surplus of protein, how much does that still matter? Not that much. Yeah, I just, I just read a study though that showed that animal proteins are just utilized by human cells, much higher rates than, or at higher rates, I should say, than plant proteins. Now what you said, Adam's real important, if your protein intake is really high, what does that, what do I mean by really high? Like 0.8 grams of protein per pound of body weight or a gram of protein per pound of body weight, really doesn't matter if it's plant protein, animal protein, you're getting so much protein, so many amino acids that it doesn't make that big of a difference. However, how many people eat that much protein per day? Yeah, most, most don't, most do not. It's a, it's a, it's rare that somebody eats that much protein unless they're really focused on it. So for most people, most people who eat, you know, the average amount of protein every day, you want to go for the animal stuff. It's just, it's just more bioavailable and more effective for your body. Plant protein is just, and all the studies, when they compare them against each other, just not in the vegan studies. Yeah, say what? Even the vegan studies. It's true. It's all of them, all of them do. And I have this conversation, you know, I'm bringing this up because there was a study that was posted. I belong to this, to all these forums on Facebook. It's kind of a hack that I came up with, like how I can learn about different subjects. Nerd groups. In fast ways. That's what I call them. What are they? Nerd groups. Nerd groups. So I go on there and I look for groups about specific. You try to be the president in all of them. Oh yeah, check this study out. That's the face I make. No, I just observed. Who's the leader of this group? Said let me speak to your leader. Excuse me, I have some questions. Make fun of me when I bring you your leader. You're real happy when the cameras turn off. Adam said, hey, Sal, I got five questions. True story, true story. I did send him some stuff last night. The best content comes from. No, but here's it. No, so I belong to these groups, like, you know, I belong to like technology groups and, you know, groups on medicine or whatever. And so there was a, there's a group that I belong to. And someone posted the study that showed that animal proteins are just more that human cells utilize them more effectively and efficiently. And underneath it, of course, you get the vegan who's like, yeah, but animal sources cause this, that, which we can talk about those studies and they're all, they're all pretty much garbage. It, you know, if you eat a healthy diet, balanced diet seems to be best generally. Of course there's differences. Well, is it because there's, there's sort of, I guess, I mean, there's plant toxins, all these, like, there's a lot of things that have been sort of brought to attention from the carnivore camps that, but, but really is it just about, you have to break down more things to be able to get to the nutrients versus like the animal sources, like pretty much ready to go. Or is it because there's things that are inside meat that we still don't even know that are beneficial to the body? Well, okay. I mean, the prevailing theory. And again, there's a, and so the reason why I like these groups is really smart people that are in them for the, whatever the subject is. And so you see these debates and discussions. And I mean, look, this is not, this is not a secret. Humans evolved as apex predators. And in many cases, a majority of our diet was meat.  In, but this is pre-agric, you know, agricultural evolution, right? Before modern agriculture and grocery stores. Like if we threw people in the woods and they had the choice of eating fish or elk or grabbing berries and random plants that grow, they're going to pick the animal, right? So humans were apex predators. We ate a lot of animals, or at least the ones that survived it. And it just, we just co-evolved with that. And so we became better at utilizing those sources of protein. So just gram per gram, it's just, it's just better for you. So unless you're eating a super high protein diet, your main protein sources, of course, if you're against eating animals and all that stuff for moral reasons, it's totally different. But if you're, if it doesn't matter to you, go for the animal sources. They're just, you're, let me put it this way. You can eat less animal protein and get the same benefit as eating more plant protein. That's the difference. You'd have to eat more plant protein equal less animal protein. Now, if they're all high through the roof, one gram per pound of body weight, then it doesn't matter so much. But again, I don't know any, but it eats that way, except for people who track and really make a point to do so. What's up, everybody? We're back from Mexico. If you're wondering why we look so tanned and relaxed, well, that's why. Anyway, here's the giveaway. Maps aesthetic. This is a bodybuilding inspired workout program. It's the program Adam used to get in shape to win his pro card when he used to compete in men's bikini, men's physique. Anyhow, I'm going to give it away for free here so you can win. Leave a comment below in the first 24 hours that we drop this episode. Subscribe to the channel, turn on notifications, do all those things. If we like your comment, we'll pick your comment and we'll notify you and you'll get free access to maps aesthetic. Now we also have a sale going on right now. 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Yeah, there was some fun moments at Max and Aurelius were really cute, you know, hugging each other and playing. And then there was a there was one I told Justin this. So my daughter is the she's a huge horror film fanatic. I think I've told you guys she's a really dark sense of humor.  She's only she's about to turn 13. She loves that stuff. Doug's out of Bree is older. She likes it too. And Ethan was like, hey, I'm going to watch some scary movies, right? But he's not really into him or hasn't been. Dude, he got the trial by fire. Yeah, dude. So first night they watch the purge not really a scary movie, but still kind of stressful. Actually, so Ethan afterwards, I'm like, was it scary? What do you think? He was like, well, it was more stressful than scary. So I'm like, OK, that's cool. Anyway, next night I walked downstairs and I'm looking and I'm like, what are you guys watching? Texas Chainsaw Master. Hey, let's see what happens. Right?  So I go in the kitchen and I'm making some popcorn because I planned on sitting with them. Anyway, I got caught up in a discussion with Jessica. So we're in the kitchen for like 25 minutes, right? So 25 minutes later, the kids walk in the kitchen. I'm like, oh, what happened? You guys not watching the movie? Anything goes.  I was dying. There's another level scary. I was dying of laughter. Yeah, there's levels, buddy. Yeah, you've heard me. You've heard me actually talk about what my buddies used to do because I was the one who doesn't like scary movies. So that is actually one of the last members. I don't remember what year that it's the newer chainsaw right. So that when the newer one came out, which is still a long time ago, it's still an old movie. I think we were in high school. Maybe maybe junior college Jessica Biel. Oh, could you check the date on it? If it's the one I'm thinking of that when it came out. I think I described you right there on there on like there on some country road. Yeah, right. It's very that's how it starts. It opens up. It's just gratuitous. Just. Oh, but that was that was the last like movie I recall when I tell you guys my buddies used to do that to me where they were like, let's make out and watch this, you know, and you're calling. I'm like, we're in high school, I think at that time. So we'll see when the date comes up. That's. Which movie is it Texas Chainsaw Massacre? The original is 1974. There's one of the nineties. There was one of the nineties mid to late 90s. I want to say 99. I think that's a good guess, which would put me as a senior in high school. 2003 is when it looks. Oh, wow. OK, so you were in college. Yeah. So I definitely get back. You're grown man. So I can't I can't back down to my buddies calling me out that I can't watch it, right? So that's where we're at. We're at it. That was the last one that I remember that doing that where they would they would make me watch it just so they could watch my reactions. And that was it after that. Oh, yeah, I'm done. Yeah, I'm done. That's it. I'm not going to let anybody bully me into watching these things anymore. It's miserable. Was it really 2003? So yeah, I'm 2003. I'm like 19, 19, 20 at that point. Something like that. What? Yeah, I think the last one I graduated in high school at 17 years old and 99. Oh, OK. So that would be right. So you're 18, 19, 20 now. You're pretty close. Yeah, 20 years old. Yeah, but it was just funny because he was self-aware enough to say it. So yeah, as soon as he ripped her face off, that's what I knew. I'm glad he didn't have like super nightmares. Well, because Everett, he always wants to do whatever his brother's doing. Yeah. And so he I think he actually started upstairs with them. And then I was like, buddy, like, I just don't feel like we're ready right now, you know, to go to that level. Like, and so I had to like figure something out. And so we actually just introduced some Stranger Things because it was like sort of I thought it was just an introduction enough into kind of scarier, eerie stuff. And so we actually started all the way back from the beginning, which is cool. But now I'm like, I was just on the new season, like two episodes in and not going to go all the way back. And like, we're only on like, you know, season two, almost finishing that up. And well, plus Stranger Things got more horror as it went along. Like in the beginning, it was kind of cool. It was like a slurry drip. The last season got was pretty gnarly. I just finished watching it. It's pretty. It's like it harkens back to like the 1980s. Kind of horrible. I love it so much. It's all set in the 80s. So much nostalgia and like I rewatching a lot of the old episodes, too.  Yeah, they do. Well, going back to our vacation, I was most impressed with the fact that we pretty much live with each other here already and work with each other 24 seven. And then we're able to like, you know, I mean, and we were in a house where we weren't leaving. I mean, we pretty much were all there together 24 seven for a week. And nobody got into it. Nobody crashed each other. Yeah. Why would we get into it? I'll do it. I'll do it. I'll do it. Come on. People that has spouses that live with each other to see each other every day and get into it. You know what I'm saying? So it's like, and they're married to each other and love each other. We're just professionals that are avoiding each other. Yeah, I thought that we did a really good job of like, I mean, we shut down. That was the most shut down I have personally been in a really, really long time. Like I normally takes me about 48 hours to like decompress and like I'm technically in vacation. I was in vacation mode within the first 45 minutes. Dude had me a pina colada sitting out by the pool. We were drinking Coronas in the in the car. Yeah. Yeah, that's right. I was even before that. How's the rules work over there? I don't understand. So you get in the car. Apparently that's OK. The dude picks you up and he's got a cooler with beer. Yeah. And he throws beers in the back. Here you go, guys. I'm like, what's great tradition? I don't know if I've heard that. Yeah, there's different rules in Mexico, the pharmacy in Mexico. This was great.  You buy anything. Yeah. Anything over the counter advertised. Pretty much. You want muscle relaxant? You want painkillers? You want opiates?  Yeah, it's all over the counter. I mean, it has to be big business for them because it's on almost every corner. Sure. Oh, yeah. You see you see a pharmacy and then you see one two stores down another one. It's like, God, damn, that's super competitive. You guys have this one lady on the street trying to sell stuff and she was like, you want bigger boners? Wow. I'm like, whoa, lady, I got kids like you need to change your approach. But hey, meet me over there. But also your wife's like, here's $20. It's going to get me basically around the corner. Yeah. Hey, come here. Yes. Give me the boner pill. So you guys got dark and I just kind of got more freckly. Yeah, you did all right. You actually did all right. I'm surprised. I actually I pushed the limits because I was trying to compete with me. I can't do it. I was focused on breed, to be honest with you. I was actually I was trying to catch up where I was really set your limits. I did. I was like, I wasn't even thinking about you. I was thinking about I'm going to get breed. And then she went out there and read her book out of the beach one day. And it was like, I'm not catching her now for sure. Yeah. But I actually I so I now as a kid, which I think you are. I think you're still like this. Do you not have to use sunscreen at all? I do for the first day or two if I stay out. OK, so after that I don't have to. So when I was a kid, I had none like none. It could be out in the sun all day long. I just got darker, darker, darker, darker, darker. I never got sunburn or anything as I got into my 20s. Another weird thing that changed for me was I could get sunburned or I would actually get these like I get these like sun blotches or like rash almost like rashes. So I don't really get like a red do you think it's just because you're not in the sun a lot anymore. And when you're a kid, you always were so totally. I think my body because then I go under these fluorescent lights working in the gym industry and then I go back thinking I can still handle the sun the way I did. And then my body goes, no, you can't. So anyways, I have to now wear suntan lotion and but I was still like pushing the limits on how long I was out there for and by about day four. So that's why you saw the last day I was like in the shade because I was like, God damn it. Like I went too hard and it got all rashy. But you know what I used and I don't know if I'm supposed to or not. But I used I had my caldera with me.  Yeah, I don't know there's anything anything in there. Oh, really? Yeah, anti-inflammatory and it's it's got compounds into that help with damage with skin skin damage. So in the studies they deal with caldera, you see reduction of fine lines, sunspots, healthier skin because of that.  She's like, how's that going to help? I'm like, no, no, I said, I'm not it's the caldera. I try to put it down and it did.   I was real dry. Yeah, I was like actually put it on my heels because they're like all cracked at that point. And I was like, oh, like it hurts to walk. What's happening? You know, of course, I just never even consider I have dry skin. I'll tell you the one thing that I'm glad I skipped out on was the fishing trip that you guys want. You don't do that. Maybe that's why maybe you jinx that, dude.  That is the first fishing trip that I've done, like one of the like what you pay for, right? So I've done fishing trips before I caught no fish. But if one of those were to take you out on the boat, like I've done that quite a few times now.  So the the theory, OK, the idea in my head was actually like trying to save us money is like, you know, and be fun, right?  Everyone gets to experience it together and then we catch all this fish and then we're going to have somebody prepare it for us all week. And so we wouldn't have to spend so much on groceries. That was the thought. No, dude, I got a text from my son because he went with you guys.  Is I'm laying down. I'm so seasickly.  Because it was choppy. It was horrible. The whole the whole boat. Doug, you puked a bunch, right? Three times and not just one time. I like three or four times each time I just power. So you did three sets of like 10 reps. Yeah, exactly. Basically, power vomiting. It was like over the side of the boat. Oh, yeah, man. I just put my head over the river.  It's like, don't recover. No, you're ruined for like a day or two. I've been ruined for two days before from extreme motion sickness. Well, you're super sensitive to this.  I'm going to sit in the front. I need to see the window. Dude, this is why like fishermen are so like superstitious, you know, like anything goes wrong. All of a sudden they'll just like look around and what's the blame? Well, I knew it was a bad. It was a I knew it was a bad idea when we got to the place and the guy tells me that the last three days, no boats had caught anything. We should have listened to that guy. But it was already too late. They already had our money at that point. That's true. So what what what are the kinds of fish you could catch out there? El Dorado, which is basically mahi mahi, same thing. They call it El Dorado there. It's it was a striped marlin. And I forget what other type of marlin season. So that would be.  Yeah, like trophy fish. Yeah. That's why it was so exciting was we're hoping for that. June and July are prime months for the marlin out there, which every time I've gone, I've gone towards the winter time and in the winter time, that's when El Dorado is like everyone's catching El Dorado like crazy. But that's the better tasting fish. So but the trophy fish would have been the would have been the more well, I'll tell you the best meal I had out there was the last day. The last day we were there. So you guys weren't there, right? So we went downtown because we had to check out and we had some time before we went to the airport and the driver we asked him, what's a good taco place? And he gives us the name. I can't remember the name of the place. He gives us the name of some place. So I said, OK, we're going to eat there for lunch. So we're hanging out and then it was time to go eat lunch. So we're walking to find it and it's a it's a hole in the wall. Yeah. Taco place. Taco Goose.  No AC. Like there's a fan. The place was like a dirt hole. Yeah. And we're smoke. And so it's hot and everything.  Dude, the tacos were fire. Yeah. He brought those things out and I was like, this is the best taco. I wish I remembered all. I know Courtney made a made at least wrote down one, right? Yeah, we have a couple. Tom actually researched all the before the last time that we went all of us went to Cabo, like all the hole in the wall places. And we like went round every day we went to one or two of them. And they were all fire. I know she brought us back to one of the ones. Yeah, it's wonderful. They're a couple. And I don't know if it was the one we I don't think it was the one we went to. That was one of my favorites that Tom took us to. But I wonder if it's one of the same ones. Because it was it was definitely a shithole. Yeah, they all were. The best ones were the ones that look like. Oh, by the way, by the way, it's like that here in San Jose, too. Yeah. Best taco places in San Jose are the ones that look like. It's east side. East side of San Jose. Yes, the best some of the best I've had tacos out of someone's trunk out of the car. I swear to God. I am not joking. Authentic. It was so good. Oh, it was like the word you just use. Yeah. Oh, these are real. Tick. If they came out of the trunk.  There was no there was no riffs at all. It was really an incredible vacation. So with that, when I came back, I watched the all in podcast is back to their regular recording of the for it. I don't know if you watched enough, but there was a bunch of controversy. Yeah, one of the that was a J. Cal wanted more a greater percentage of the podcast podcast. Yeah, debating back and forth and they just they debated on and I find it I find it really interesting. They're all multi.  You have someone who's worth like 500 million. I mean, I think J. Cal is like the the tightest and he still worth tens of millions of dollars. They're all worth a lot of money and they're swabbling over like literally percent percent. But here's the learning. Here's the learning part. That's true. But they're all shrewd business people. But they all they all got along and they did it and they dropped it. Yeah.  I'm not going to be. It's also early and it's very small in the business, too. The fact that that has happened already is crazy to me. Yeah. I just a highlights again. I think that we what we talked about is just time. My uncle and aunt came and visited me this weekend and he was asking all I haven't seen them in a long time. And he was getting all caught up on the business. And the number one thing that my family or friends or people that I tell the story about how this all started or that is the the for owner thing. Everybody always trips out about that. Well, there's four. You guys are equal. They're all equal. And what are the positions and how does that work? And like, and you guys there you haven't you haven't fought over all this money and it's like, no, it's it hasn't been that way. Everybody is. Well, I mean, there's got to be somebody who does more of the work or know this. Like that's what everybody like comes down to, which to me, that's what that highlighted. It's like, no doubt that Jay Cal in that situation and all in like, he organizes the podcast. He won a summit. So rightfully so he probably but I think back to all the, you know, the ups and downs and things that we've done over the last seven, eight years. And I think there's a time at every point in this business where somebody can make the case that they're doing more work than everybody else. And also there's a time when Sal 100% was buried in his book, writing for eight hours, eight hours a day or researching something that with the rest of us we're at home probably not doing anything. Or there's definitely been plenty of times where Doug is up till two in the morning trying to get accounting stuff together.  And how many bands have been destroyed because lead singers head gets too big or everybody almost all of them or yeah, their lead singer just like, you know, takes to me drugs and then over. Yeah, yeah, we don't take that many drugs. I was impressed with that. I would to your point about them still being able to like, we all love each other and still move forward because Jason Calcanis was making the point that I mean, I couldn't imagine if I was actually telling one of you that you're replaceable. Yeah, he was saying that. Yeah, because they had they had to check this out. OK, and remember when we did this when we had times where we subbed out and only two guys did the show way, way back when he was he was using the numbers on hey, when we had so and so on the show and you weren't here, our numbers were up. So he was like, literally making the dude feel well, replaceable joke about like being serious. Yeah, that would be a funny jab. But he was like serious about it. Wow. So it's amazing that didn't cause more. Oh, dude. So I got to tell this story. This is funny. So when we're there, there's there are also people in the house that were working on working in the house, right? So the cleaners are people preparing food and stuff. And one of the guys there, Alan is his name, so give him a shout out. Real nice guy. Yeah, he's awesome. Yeah, he's like, what do you guys do? You know, and he spoke English pretty well. And I said, oh, we, you know, we have a fitness podcast and we work in health and whatever. And so he's asking me questions and he's like, you know, me and my friend have a debate. Is is green juice healthy or not? So we got this whole discussion about whether or not green juice is healthy. And I was telling him, you know, I told him about organifi, obviously, because we work with them.  If you do eat enough vegetables, vegetables, whole foods, always the best, always better than supplements. But if you miss them, like a lot of people, then the green juice powder, like the one from organifi is going to be really good. So we got into that conversation. So that was day one, right? Anyway, like two days later, he comes up to me and he goes, Sal, you want to know what's crazy? I said, what? And he plays a video of me. Yeah. And so it's okay. So it's that clip, that one clip same clip that keeps the man who loves the journey one, right?  And I know it's about in the one that Jessica, my wife, she's like, of all the things you say, that's the dumbest one.  Like what do you mean is the dumbest one? Anyway, so he's showing me the clip and he goes mainstream. He goes, my friend sent this to me and said, you need to listen to this is super motivating, not knowing that he was working with us. Yeah, he was in the house with us. So we show and it's my it's it's I'm speaking, but it's subtitled in Spanish.  Oh, it's hilarious. Subtitled in Spanish. The best was the joke. Remember the joke with the week? The joke of the week after that was that we're going to be walking out in Cabo and someone who's like, oh, man, without the journey, man. Can you sign my shirt? Well, run right past Justin. Journey, man, journey, man, journey, man, can you take a picture of me and man with the journey? Oh, dude, yeah, no problem.  And they're like five years behind. Yeah, you remember when we did when we first started, we did that one girl's radio show. Yeah, I can't remember her name or the radio station. It was L.A., right? It was L.A. Was it was it was a part of Telemundo's? Not Telemundo, was it? It was Univision. Univision, yeah, Univision, sorry. Yeah, and she was saying that she was saying how desperate. Well, obesity in Latin America has exploded. OK, it's exploded. Mexico in particular. They need a lot of help. And they're very interested in health and fitness. And a lot of the information they're getting is like 10 years behind. Yep. So, I mean, I think it would be smart for us to have something that may be the clips like. So we have a mind pump eclipse channel. A lot of people don't know this on YouTube already. How you brought that up? Because like short clips of us saying things, I think it would be smart to have some of those, you know, in the subtitles so people can access them. Back to the green juice. I could see the skepticism though, because any podcast you listen to, they have like some kind of green juice attached. There's lots of like, you know, brands out there. I'm not going to throw too much shade, but there's not a whole lot of high, high quality versions of it out there. So you got to be kind of careful with what you're out there buying, just like any other supplement. Yeah, how many people just like mow some grass and then throw it in? I mean, with supplement business, you can get away with so much stuff. Yeah, green high C. So what were you going to say about the clips? No, I'm just glad you brought it up because we've had so many people that thought there's people that think that we got rid of it, right? Because we used to put the clips on the same channel as the podcast channel. And then people thought that we just stopped doing that. And there's a lot. I actually know a lot of people that don't listen to the whole show and they actually like it in the little they're easy to share. Yeah, so it's mind pump clips. Yeah, I think is the name of on YouTube. So I do have something that I want to ask you guys that came up. So today we have live callers and we had this this girl that's working for a high school that gets like these kid recruited kids ready for D one. And Justin and I were both like, man, that would be so cool. I love our kids to go to that school or what about that? And got me thinking a question that I wanted to ask you guys because I know we also have a mutual friend who I believe did do this with their with their kids or he did it. One of the other can't remember. Would you guys consider sending your kids off for high school to another state to like a school like high school? Yeah. No, I wouldn't. I wouldn't do one of those boarding schools. I have a friend that's doing that. Same guy probably. Yeah, that's I think this kid off to boarding school. Yes. No, I don't. You know why?  You have a snap judgment no to that. I don't have a snap no to that. Yeah, I know it had to depend for me like the I guess like them approaching me with the idea, obviously, if like one of my kids was like really motivated to do that. And like I saw a lot of like talent potential in that direction. And like they're arguing with me a good case for it. And like you saw the track record of all the students that then resulted in like the sounds like no way.  Me too. Me too. It's not just that, but those are formidable years. You're talking about 13, 14 and up. Now you're talking about high school. Yeah, high school. So how old are you in your freshman? 15, 15, 15. Okay, so 15 to 18. You're asking those people not just to teach your kid, but to raise your kid. Now they're raising your kid. Okay, the argument that so I'm going to challenge that care play devil. So if they come back for the summer, I mean, that doesn't play any factor. Two months out of the year. Well, I mean, here's the deal like your kids high school is raising your kid right now. Anyways, not the same.  But let's be honest with yourself. How many days out of the week do you actually sit down and then break down what he learned today and then challenge it or agree with there? That's not just that's about being around, bring around your house. I'm with Justin. So I knew this would create a good discussion between us because we wouldn't all see eye on it because I when with you, if my let's say I and when this would matter, right, it wouldn't I would never just send my kid to a boarding school. No, I would. Yeah, I'm like that. But if I had if I had it, if I had a son or a daughter, send him to Xavier School for the gifted. I would send him to X-Men I would send him to X-Men School. Yeah. My kid was a mutant. Now it's the same thing. I can't handle this. You keep sending the house off fire.  If my if my son or daughter exhibited real talent, whether that be in music or that be in sports or something like that. And there was a school like the one we were talking to with this girl. That had an extremely like strong program and they have a great pathway for them to potentially become pros.  Well, of course, it's my kids. I mean, look, OK. Yeah, but you OK to that point, dude, it just because they're in the same town as you doesn't make that any more or less scary. That's scary. Just they're with me. I can keep my finger on the pulse. I can see what's going on. Be a better helicopter.  It's it's that they're there. You can watch them look.  Let's say they want to play music and they want to be, you know, classically trained pianist. So they go to this gifted musical school and they're out of the state. They're somewhere else. You're not there all the time to keep your finger on. Maybe the pressure is too high. Maybe they're trying to impress you and they, you know, it's how you going to know? How you going to know what's going on? Hey, son, how are you doing? Well, you can call them every day for an hour. I don't know. Yeah, I honestly, it's a completely individual thing. Like if if I saw a lot of like real potential and like they were in a setting where it's going to foster the growth of their success, like I would feel like I was robbing them of that opportunity. I how hard you still get to imagine how hard it would be to say no, they really wanted to do that. Like I definitely wouldn't send my kid off because I think this is a better education or that's like that's me imposing my thing on them. But if my son or daughter when we went there, we tour this one, he's like, Dad, I, I won't. Can I come here? I want and he really wanted to go there and it was all those great things. I'd have a really hard time telling I would convince you guys not to do that. It's a tough one because where are you at, Doug? I'm pretty torn on this one. When do you when do you let the the youngling fly out from the nest? Of course, the non-athletic. Well, what's the age? I think college is good. No, I think college is good. I think, you know, that those young mid-teen ages, those mid-teen and up. Come on, man. Who knows? Like you don't know what's going on over there. I feel that way with junior high, 100%. There's got to be school. I'm a little more like, you know, the kids they're with who they're sleeping with. Come on, you don't know that with school. You come on. Well, you know more. Again, you'd have to, you'd have to vet it out like definitely, right? And you'd have to like see the track record.    You let him go or don't let him go? Yeah, so he agrees with me. That's what you got out of that. You're on my TV. Yeah, he knows. You're on my TV. Look, have you seen these?  Yeah, they become a star, maybe track athlete or amazing golfer. But they're all messed up, dude.  That's a big generalization. Well, okay.  Like that turned out normal and balanced.  What's his name? Tiger Woods, greatest golfer of all time. He was like, since he was a kid, come on. You know, that's different. That was them hammering him and not giving him any. Yeah, that's what you're asking for. Yeah, no, you're lumping a lot of things into one conversation here. That's not the same thing. Like that's a dad who was obsessive from the kid being three years old all the way on. What do you think happened when you send your kid to a school like that? They're obsessive. Yeah, he's asking for it. Exactly. The kids like pulling that.  You don't mean you say yes. You're right. You're right. And there's a lot of things I'd probably say no to, but that is a situation where it could potentially better him and move him forward in a pursuit that he IFC passion in him about. And I want to help foster that. I'd find one close by is what I would do. And honestly, like, well, I mean. If that works out, I mean. Yeah, if there was that perfect situation. But I mean, even that girl with that school, like, I don't know any schools, any high schools that are doing that for the basketball players right now. And they have that kind of record where they're thinking. How much do you want to bet? How much? Well, I don't want to say. I bet you a lot of the kids that go to that. I bet you there's a good percentage of kids that go to these schools that get recruited for sports where it is a it is a clearly better option because maybe they're growing up and they're underprivileged. Maybe it's a single parent. They get recognized because they play really good sports. Sure. And mom is like, I could barely afford to support you. I'm working by myself. You go to this school with all these these kids that are not doing so great. Yes, I'll send you over there. Now, if you got a year, you know, my kids have a great house. We have good environment, good family. Everybody's taking care of or whatever good. Like, what's the benefit? I don't see a huge benefit to going somewhere like now.   And I'm not sending them away. Yeah, I know it's just but yeah, it's to the point of the argument you're making right there. I don't see the benefit. Yes, you do. You see the benefit of putting them in an organized school where the relationships that he's going to make is going to benefit potentially his future. Yes, the same thing would apply.  I just don't think it's worth it. What do you think, Doug? You're torn, but I want to I want to hear what you think. Yeah, so you know, I feel like obviously if you really want to improve their career prospects, having them go away is the ideal thing. However, from the standpoint of development, relationships and modeling, you know, behavior such as a parent can provide. I feel definitely having them close by is best. For example, Brianna and I, a while back, I was really immersed in my work all the time. And I wasn't really giving her the attention I needed. And I could see our relationship slipping apart and she was kind of falling into the wrong crowds and doing some things I didn't think was a great, you know, idea. And then I really started to dedicate my time to spending time with her. And then on the weekends, we go do something, we'd spend time together and that's made a world of difference. And our relationships is a lot better, but it's also spilled over to other parts of her life. She's made better choices with friends and things like that. So I've seen kids go off to boarding school and just become total wild. Yeah, I'm not a boarding school and also take his perspective. Well, they're all boarding schools. If they're sleeping there, it's a boarding school. Yeah, but you mean sending them off to like a boarding school as a parent versus them choosing to go to the school because they want to pursue a specific spore or talent. You know what the problem is? And also remember where he's coming from right now is that like you noticed behaviors that you didn't like in her. You recognize things that you weren't doing as a parent. Therefore, it was something that you... I'm talking about a kid who is so passionate about this sport and I'm so proud of him as a father that he's into this and he and I are touring schools and this school offers this opportunity and it's going to break my heart to let my son, which is my firstborn son go over there and I'm out without him for four years at this school. It would tear me up every night. Every night it would tear me up. But if he wanted it that bad and he is showing me that he's that serious about this, I would have to support it. You know what the problem is is that a lot of people value. They think that success in sports or business or money is happiness and is everything. It's not. I'd rather have a kid be... Bro, you're...  He's passionate about... This is his passion. He lives and breathes basketball. It's what all he thinks about. He sleeps with his basketball. But he doesn't know what he's losing by not being with his family and by being in that kind of... He's going to have his whole life to be with his family. I mean, there's... No, after that, it's a lot harder. After that, then it's... I don't disagree with that. I mean, sure, it doesn't get any easier or whatever like that. But I mean, to say that...  I can see that. No. I knew this week. Max stays here. You know, when we were doing the live qua... I'm like, this is a highly unlikely scenario, but I'm going to keep going. Yeah, well, I mean, when we were doing the live qua and the girls talking about school, I could see both Justin and I... I can see both Justin and I could see our eyes go like, man, that'd be so cool to send my kid that school. I would have loved this personally for me. Me too. I would have loved it. And I would have taken advantage of it. Me too. And I would not have regretted it. And let me tell you, my relationship with my parents would probably be tighter today than it is today. Exactly. Yeah, but that's different, though. But what do you mean? What do you mean? Yes, you're right. It's different. You don't like living at home. Exactly, neither. I hated it. I wanted to get out. I should have done it a long time ago. So, I mean, and that... And so, that's a good point, okay? And that's a very good point, right? Justin, I didn't like it at home. We would have loved that. And our kids love us at home. So, it's a different scenario. So, it will be a different scenario. And so, it would be a very hard, right? I hope that I provide a home for my son that it would be very challenging for him to even want that, right? Like, I could never see your kid wanting that. Yeah. Yeah, I think your kids want to be home. They want to be near you that bad that I don't think he would come to you. In fact, you're going through that process right now at touring colleges. I wouldn't be surprised if your kid makes a decision. He's smart enough to get into almost anywhere in the country. He's probably going to pick your closer one. He will pick something. I think that is closer because he doesn't want to be too far from his dad. We'll see. I mean, he's older, too, though, right? He's out of that age. You know, we're talking 15, 16. Like, he'll be 18, 19. There's a big difference. There's a big difference between an 18, 19-year-old and a 15-year-old. Sure, yeah. You know, that's huge.  I guess, look, and let me tell you, I'm like way, I'm way more progressive than the way I grew up in my family. You don't move out until you're married.  You live with your parents. You think I'm joking? No, I know. I got culture with the parents. Which hits us why you're so that way, bro. Yeah, exactly. My parents are just, you know, like, see you later. Yeah, speaking of which, right? So I go to my grandparents, whatever my parents' house last night, and I went over there real quick to go visit with them. And, you know, we haven't had Vicki here in a little while. She does our beards and everything. So my beard was all big and bushy and whatever. I was supposed to bring up your mustache. Well, I got this story.    So yeah, I know that. No, no, he goes, but you look terrible.  It's too long.  So I said, OK, so I went home because we're going to go back for dinner. So I went home and I trimmed everything except for the mustache. Because I thought, oh, I told Jessica. I said, watch my grandfather. I'm going to come in and look like Luigi and see if my grandpa likes it. Hey, hey, watch him. It's mine. Hey, hey, I thought for sure my grandfather would think it was like throw a fit. You know, it's going to be funny.  I love it. It looks so good. Give me all this compliment. And I'm confused. And I'm confused.  That's why, bro.  Is he got the little pants on? Here it is. And then Jessica, she said it's handsome-ish. That's what she said. So I said, all right. I'm the countimony crystal.  That's why I kept it. Everything else is white, bro. This is all white. You can still get some dark hair. I got like three or four whites going on there. Maybe we should go the full like mustachio group here. Oh, remember when- I was actually considered- Remember when Adam grew his- Yeah, I rocked mine for a while. He grew his hammer one. I look so bad, though. I look so bad. You look awesome. We talked about this. I feel like I need to- See, I wasn't in great shape. I need to be in like great shape and then have that. You need to have kind of like, if you're going to have like, you're in great shape right now.   I feel like- Your body makes stuff work. It looks like you don't- Yeah, he's heavy. He looks like you don't care. But obviously, you care, right?  Every once in a while, funny like facial hair looks- Like can kind of look cool. Like it's a bartender. Yeah, that's Luigi right there. Why do you have to give me Luigi? Not Mario. I know. It's because you look like Luigi with that thing. Mario's shorter and fatter, so I think- That's so- You should be happy. Most racist cartoon of all time. I swear to God. Mario brother. Anyway, I got confused. I'm like, I don't know. Maybe it looks good. Maybe it doesn't. Lucky germs. So I think I'm gonna- Let the audience decide. I got a study I want to bring up with you guys, kind of cool. So, Adam, you know how we've observed and talked about on the show how after a prolonged period of cutting or dieting, or at least where the main goal is to get lean, especially like when you do a show and you get shredded, yeah. That post-shredded period where you start to bump your calories up, start working out, you just feel- You like- Amazing. You build muscle like never before. Your body's just anabolic, right? Yes. Well, I just read a study that shows that fasting increases androgen receptor sensitivity. Sensitivity. So the androgen receptors are what your anabolic hormone testosterone attached to. Going through a period of fasting, and I'm assuming cutting calories does this as well, makes them more sensitive.  And this is why when someone's bulking, I always recommend little short periods of cuts in between because I noticed for myself, I seem to build better and the study shows that. Oh, wow, that's fascinating. I've said that I have felt more anabolic after that, after a show like that, that I have from taking any anabolic. Isn't that crazy? That's how powerful that feeling is. It's wild. And it does have a lot to do with how long of a period I had been in a cut for. Yes. And to your point about fasting, that is true because your fasting mimicking diet they've already shown is gives all the same benefits as somebody who fast, right? So if you did like the. Yeah, if you just go low calorie. Yeah. So and you're low calorie for a very long period of time. And then you finally reintroduce all these calories and that those next three to five workouts I'd say after a show, after I've loaded the calories like nonstop is the most amazing. Yeah. So I guess the takeaway is for people who are trying to bulk and build lean body mass. It's a good item. We've talked about this before. It's a good idea to interrupt your bulk with a short with some short periods of cuts. So let's say you do three weeks of bulking, three days of cutting, three weeks of bulking. So the physiological benefits also psychological, right? Yes.  That's a really good point too, Justin, as far as there's also the psychological side of actually just being filled back up that it comes into that workout.  And then the pump is so amazing. Like it's just it's a it's a feeling that is hard for me to describe because it's like no other workout or liking those. And it is like no other steroid I've even taken. I've taken steroids before I've talked about with you guys. I don't know if we have on air, but like I remember taking D ball for the first time and it was like, oh my god, just muscle packed on me. Every time I did shoulders, I was adding like 10 pounds to my shoulder press every workout. It was just insane the way I felt even that doesn't compare to isn't it wild. Yeah, that that that workout the week and anybody who's competed probably can relate to this because they've been here before where they have depleted themselves for that long and that workout week afterwards just feels so have you guys seen the the crazy stupid like sports they're trying to promote now and like ESPN 2 like I feel like I feel like they just need content for some reason. They do. No, dude. So OK, so first of all it was like 4th July all that so they have their normal like Nathan's hot dog eating contest. Adam sent something over with this guy. Oh, is he that guy? Yeah.  Bro, he put a headlock on him. Headlocks and I guess he had an injured leg too.  Dude, yeah, the guy's a savage but but so I was I was at this sandwich place and we were eating with the family and there was all these TVs on and there was another one going on simultaneously that was it was called World. I forget. It's like World Tag Championships World Chase Tag. World Chase Tag. Thank you. Yeah. And so it had all these different levels of platforms and like weird like railings and things and so you get one person versus the other. And so the guy takes off. The other guy tries to catch him to tag him and has to like jump through all these things and then like crazy climb over the top and like lunge out and try and get it's like it's like a jack-o-money. Never watch Jackie Chan. It's just like Jackie Chan.  It's actually kind of cool. Yeah. Oh really? Yeah. I didn't even know that was a sport. Okay. So the objective is and I'm assuming that the guy who's running gets a little bit of a head start. Yeah. Ahead of the other guy. I think they end up on either side on both sides of the platform. So they take off and then one guy should. And I'm assuming they have to stay on this course or trap. So it's like a square course. Right. So there's all these different obstacles within this square. And so he's just trying to evade the other guy through all these different maze directions of parkouring that he can get through to avoid getting caught. And then there's like a time link. I watched some of that for Tim. After 10 minutes or so gets boring. Okay. So first 10 minutes for you. More or less common for the guy to get caught. Oh, I don't remember. Yeah. That's a good question. It depends on the time. I think everybody gets caught. It's kind of 50-50 from what I was watching. Well, a lot of people get caught. I would think you would yield it to if it's one-on-one. One tag is hard. Well, here's the thing.  So if you miss this guy, then you're going all of a sudden to this guy. It's like you got to have really good like movement fluency, right? Like, you know, how to like, just all of a sudden make a cut that he's seen that on the field, too. Or somebody avoids like a collision because they just have that foresight. And so some guys were really good at it. Some guys weren't quite as good. Also anticipating their position. Like, like, yeah, like, like funneling him into the corner. But yeah. So then there was this other one that came on off of that. That was like, it was like the world champion. It was like a place setting. Like for, for like table, like fine dining, like place. What? I was like, what? Really? Like is this where we're at now? Like we're watching people like be judged on like how tight their place is. All right. What competition would you be the world? Let's, let's, what invent, you can invent any competition you want. What competition would you be the world champion at? If there was a competition. The world champion? Yeah. What would it be? No, I don't know. I don't know. I'm not very talented in a lot of stuff. I'm pretty average in a lot of things. So what am I really good at? How about that? Like the most average. The guy who's the average. Like that's what it would be. Like 30 different sports. Fresh. Pretty good at everything. Not great, not great, but not terrible. Top 15 everything. Yeah. In the world. It's like the crossfit of everything. Yeah. Yeah. That's probably, you have something that you think you can win? I don't know. I was going to say. Reverse curls. I mean, I'm not sure. Cheese. We live at a time where there's a sport or a thing for everything. So I feel like you would have found it. Oh, I got a trivia question for you guys. Do you guys know who the richest self-made women? I'm going to look it up. I have it written down. The richest self-made women under the age of 35 are? Oh, under 35. Under 35. You guys want to guess who number one is? The richest. No, one of the Kardashians. Self-made woman under 35. One of the Kardashians. No. No? No. It's like Kimmel. It's like Kimmel. Oh, Rihanna. 1.4 billion dollars. Oh, she's a billion? She's a billionaire and she's under 35. I didn't know that. Third with Kylie Jenner. Kylie Jenner was third. Fourth is Taylor Swift. But dude, Rihanna. She's the richest self-made woman under 35. 1.4 billion. Cosmetics. Yeah, I was just going to say. Music and cosmetics. So she must have been the one who paved the way for Kylie and then all the other ones that are doing it. Maybe that's why they're crushing it. That and the video game, the apps, I remember one of the Kardashians crushed that. Cosmetics is huge business. Huge business. Because that's where she gets the majority of the money. Well, especially when you're a hot celebrity chick. Yeah, exactly.  That's exactly what I want to know. The ones that made millions off of just one idea. No. Well, the second one was someone. That's a whole different one. That's another category. The second one was someone. Oh, here you go. Second is $740 million. Whitney Wolfe Herd. Do you know what she did? I don't even know that is. She created Bumble. Oh, yeah. That's right. The dating app. So there you go. There's somebody over there.  America's most wanted women right now. The crypto queen. What? She should be up there. She's worth $4 billion. What do you mean? Why is she wanted? She doesn't get the credit because she stole. You know what I'm saying? I don't know. All right, buddy. But she should be up there. $4 billion. It's not quite honest, but... She stole $4 billion from the crypto? Yes. How? They call her the crypto queen. Look her up, Doug. I haven't heard about this. Yeah, crypto queen. I mean, this is part of what's happened. I mean, boy, we're going to see crypto. Yeah, it sounds like a villain, right? Like a supervillain? Yeah. She's got a crypto copter. It's invisible. I don't know if it's pronounced Ruhar Rooja Ignatova. Yeah, I think that's her. Born in 1980. So she's under 42 years old.  Too old for that. She didn't make the count. No, it doesn't count. How did she steal all the crypto? Dude, that's why this thing is going to collapse, bro. How did that happen? Everything's collapsing. Let's see if you can pull up a good article on it, Doug. It's supposed to be, like, not possible. Dude, you know what I find interesting right now? About you talking about collapsing. All the people that are acting like they knew all along things were going to get inflated and costs were going to go up.  Nobody said anything about that except for the Austrian economy. The economists left saying that this is all good, right? This is good for us. No, where were you just two months ago when we were already in a recession to tell people we're in some of the greatest economic times? I know. It's so crazy. Now, everybody's like, oh, I knew this all along. No, you didn't, bro. I mean, they're calling this, and I think you've said it on the show already, the everything bubble, right? So this is like, this is going to be interesting to watch. So here's the thing. So I was a big Milton Friedman guy way back in the day. 2008 happens, and I follow a lot of Austrian economists. So Austrian economics, it's not because they live in Austria, but it's a very free market form of economics, and they believe that the market corrects what it does, and the proof is in the pudding. After 2008, they were like, you guys are going to cause some big problems if you do quantitative easing, and they said it'll never end. They said they'll never stop because they can't. Once they start pumping that drug in, nobody's going to want to be the same. Nobody wants to be the person to stop that from happening. And that's exactly what's happening. Exactly what's happened. Well, unfortunately, the majority that are voting for the people that make these decisions think that it's a good idea. Yeah. Well, because nobody wants to feel the pain. Nobody wants... Everybody, you got a credit limit with a credit card. You're running out of money, and it's like, hey, you need to stop paying for subscription services, and you can't buy a card you can't afford, or we can give you more. Did you guys see that with the card? Could you pull this up article for me? I don't know if you read that, the queen one. So she's on the FBI's 10 Most Wanted Now. That's wild, right? I believe... Let me make sure I get this correct, but... And I don't know if it's the average or the peak, but I think I read the average car payment in the United States now is $1,000 a month. No way. Google that.  Why? That's a car. It's because of interest rate in the cost of an average car now. Wow. Well, most cars are 50 grand and above, dude. So the average car payment in the U.S. climbed to a record $712 a month in June as borrowing costs increase. Oh my... This is a brand new article. $4,000 a month. $4,000 a month.  Yes, still high. That's... And we're at the highest record debt right now. So debt is higher than it's ever been. And so that's part of the scary part of what might happen, right? So gas prices going through the roof, they're not going to slow down. Inflation is still running. And before people will actually curb their spending habits that they've been doing for the last two to three years, they're more likely to continue to pull more debt out and make it even worse. So, and all that it will do is kind of kick the can down the road. The worst possible thing you could finance, I'm just going to say this right now, for most people is a car. That's a losing money...   It's status quo. Doesn't appreciate it. It's a status quo thing. And it makes you feel rich. And if you can finance it... Hey, we voted it. By the way, this is a bipartisan issue. This is not just a Democrat. This is Democrat Republicans. They... Republicans like to talk like they are physically responsible. But when they're in office, they do the same thing. So, we have just rampant spending. And it's been like this for a long time. But after 2008, it really took off. And that was it. There was no turning it off. And then COVID happened. And then it was like, yeah. And they turned it way the hell...  And they're going to put us into a recession because you have to feel some pain.  Oh, it has to. Because nobody's going to want to let... There's $30 trillion of money in the economy... I think in the world economy that was been printed. That money needs to get pulled out and corrected for.  That's a big number, you know? No, they won't. And I agree with that prediction. And I would say that comes at the end of next year. So, I think we're going to feel the pain starting now, all the way through this year, into next year. Next year will be one of the worst years as far as that's all concerned. And I think to start to revive it, they'll start pumping money. And by the way, when they do that, I think they will... We will all have become adjusted to because we'll... I think we'll see as high as $10 gas prices. And then when we see gas prices that high, and then we get the relief of bringing it back down to five, we're all going to be like, oh, thank God, it's just over. It's $5, you know what I'm saying? But I think that's what will happen. I think they'll get us used to seeing this $8, $9, $10, and then they'll bring it down a little bit. Drop it at a new high. And then the house prices, I think originally I thought I was going to say, we are going to see a pretty big crash on houses. I don't know. I think what might happen is... It would be like a dip. Yeah. I think we're going to see a small dip in correction. Only because investors are going to throw their money in there. Of course. Exactly. Because it's just going to cut... Not home buyers. They're just going to cut out your normal home buyers. Because they know that what you're predicting right now is that they're going to print again. And when they do that again, it's only going to... The housing market is very lucrative for a politician to pass legislation to protect because the majority of Americans hold their wealth in the value of their home. So it's politically expedient to do so. So they're going to continue... They're going to pump that first as much as possible. We're going to become... We're going to quickly become a renter's country. I mean, that's... We're heading in that direction and where it will be different or weird abnormal to own the home, like just you rent. Yeah. And people need to know this too with quantitative easing, which is they come up with fancy terms, by the way, to confuse people. Really, what it is is they don't want the prices to drop.  It's essentially what it is.  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And I've developed a pretty consistent routine in the weekend, kind of a ritual. And I kind of want to get your advice on whether it's kind of effective for my overall health goals and my fitness routine. So I wake up kind of early and I drink my coffee and then I walk my dog and I do some gardening and housework. And then I work out and then I do all of that prior to then also having to get ready and work out or then go to work. So if I don't read in the morning while I drink my coffee, if I don't work out, if I don't do any of those rituals there, I probably won't do it during the rest of my day. I just get too busy. So I do like to do that in the morning. And I've listened to you many times about talking about working out in the morning because it's good for consistency. I've also run MapSanabolic twice. I've followed it to the tea the first time. And then the second time around, I did split up the exercises because I just really don't have a lot of time to kind of squeeze all those things in the morning. So I only have about 30 minutes to exercise in the morning. But the second time around, I did MapSanabolic. I just felt like when I split up the workouts into like five day kind of workouts, those foundational exercises, I felt like I wasn't really getting a whole lot of out of it. And I'm just wondering if the way my routine is of doing all this in the morning is kind of impacting my kind of strength gains because another thing that I wanted to bring up is the fact that I kind of got in this habit of fasting until noon. So I finished my wake up like 5.30. I finished and it's probably finished around like 7.30 with my workout. And then I don't actually eat until noon. And I'm just wondering like it's not a bad idea because I recently listened to Dr. Cabral and joined the holistic health group through Mind Conf as well about maybe that's not that great on my metabolism. So I have kind of two part questions there is like the fasting impacting kind of those strength gains and also just any advice you have on kind of breaking up the foundational workouts so I can have that consistent morning routine. But I definitely don't think what you're doing is bad. Yeah. Now are you asking simply because your strength gains have stalled or is there anything else that you've noticed? Like how's your energy, how's everything else feel? So I feel like I was hoping by the second time around with MAPS Anabolic I would be able to kind of progress a little bit in my strength gains. And I don't necessarily want to use the excuse that I work out from home to be that excuse but I sometimes feel like it because I only have so much dumbbells. And like for example if I wanted to do a squat I just feel like I can only, I can lift probably much more in a squat but I can't physically pick up the dumbbells with my arms if that makes any sense because I don't have a squat rack so I feel like I can't progress there. Okay. So that's, you kind of get into the point now where you might need to change your approach with your workouts. If you aren't, if barbells are not available to you and you're not willing to make them available in the sense maybe get yourself a squat rack get yourself barbell or go to a gym I would suggest a different kind of workout something different like MAPS suspension might be a good example. Suspension trainers can be made very intense and the resistance can be made very high simply by changing the angle of pull and it also maintains that convenience that it sounds like you're looking for which is you know you work out for 30 minutes in the morning at home because right now the limiting factor sounds like for those barbell exercises you just can't go heavy enough because you have dumbbells. Yeah I mean MAPS performance would be a good suggestion too we have a dumbbell mod for all those the core programs. So moving to, I think just something that's novel will help break through a little bit of a plateau. I also think that to the point you made about Dr. Cabral and fasting that's not helping the cause either right. So if we're trying to progress and build strength and you're also fasting every single day that's probably not helping. I don't think it's hurting you and if it works for you I would never tell someone don't do it. Like if you like that routine it helps you manage your calories that way and you feel good.  Okay so we may sacrifice you're not going to be progressing as fast maybe in the weight room but you like that then go ahead stick with it. But if you were at like Adam I really want to get stronger. I really want to see myself build this or I'm trying to shape this part of my body. If you're really focused that way and we're also fasting every single day that's where I might say okay why don't we start maybe with a shake in the morning or start to kick start the metabolism a little bit and actually fuel the body a little bit more and see if that helps support your lifting inside the workout. Yeah I think to dumbbells I mean at a certain point yeah if you can lift them with your arms but I mean you're capable of more with your legs obviously like unilateral work and like single leg dead lifts and with like Bulgarians and just changing the tempo up a lot. I mean you can add intensity to those types of exercises and that type of a workout that way. So that's an option for you if you haven't really messed around with that yet. Yeah and do you have kettlebells? Well just a couple I have a 35 pound kettlebell that I could do a single leg dead lift but I think. Yeah yeah that would work. Yeah so you know just thinking that was in that direction pretty much but I mean you're gonna need new stimulus and so that's that is a hard one to get like really solid leg work when you're limited to dumbbells but I mean that's really like in terms of like where you're at for now that would help quite a lot is to change it up. We need a more complete picture though too Teal because we're just you're just talking about plateauing a little bit with strength and although strength is a great metric it's not the only metric. So I need to know energy sleep like are you noticing any other changes or I don't know plateaus or any negatives anywhere else in your health and performance? Not necessarily there's nothing specific I would say I would like to go to bed earlier. I mean I probably get seven hours of sleep but that's not I don't know if I'm actually sleeping those seven hours but yeah so I think sleep would probably be a big thing so and I am just naturally like that type of type of personality where I'm just like go go go right from the beginning and I kind of once I get my coffee I just kind of a non-stop so I do kind of realize that maybe I need to slow down a little bit but do you do you feel like you need more caffeine than before or is your energy levels pretty good? Not necessarily as long as I have my one cup in the morning. I don't think I could do anything out without alcohol. You're doing okay you're fine you're doing good Teal. If you start to notice declines in energy skin your hair starts to feel brittle it feels like hormone imbalances libido is off mood swings like you notice your health is starting to go in a different direction or in a wrong direction then I would take a much much closer look but it sounds like you're doing okay you can experiment with eating something small before noon so maybe after your workout you could have like two hard boiled eggs like that's it you know a little bit of protein little bit of fat see how you feel a protein shake might be even more convenient you could try something like that just to see how you did try to start doing the protein shakes a little bit earlier I found that I get hungrier if I eat earlier so oh yeah that's why I sometimes hold it off but then I end up eating like a ton for lunch and then I feel so good have you have you actually tracked calories just to kind of see where you're at do you have any idea yeah and actually I did have a small question about that because I do every now just track calories just just for curiosity and weight loss is necessarily something I'm trying to do by any means it's just overall health goals but I think I'm probably around 2000 calories I just struggle with olive oil because I just use olive oil like all the time I just drizzle it and I just don't know how many I feel like I can easily add probably like 500 extra calories just on top of you know they say the two tablespoons but I don't even know so sometimes like I just don't measure everything that's like I don't take the time to weigh so a lot of people don't know this a lot of people don't know this deal but olive oil doesn't count you can use as much as you want that's that true that's not true that's not true that's you from Italy you know the one that I would probably be more concerned like do you know where your protein intake is on a regular basis have you have you have an idea of how many grams of protein you eat every day yeah I have recently really tried to be more mindful of that and I am I feel like I'm usually over I'm usually I mean I'm like I don't know one one ten one fifteen pounds and I'm usually like one twenty one thirty yeah yeah this may this may be a case of being over critical we may be in a situation here and you said your type a people like people and you're kind of like your you know category tend to over they look at everything and they get real critical and break everything down when everything seems to be doing okay really based off what we're hearing it sounds to me like what you need to do is just kind of change your workout especially when your goal is overall health right I hear you just want to be healthy you're not easy you've already made that clear you're not trying to lose a bunch of weight I don't didn't sound like you're trying to you can build a bunch of muscle or gain a bunch of weight it sounds like you are pretty healthy sounds like you got a pretty good balance going on now sometimes that happens in the weight room especially if you're doing the same routine and you're limited with weights plateaus are very normal I mean we deal I mean and even sometimes a little bit of a regression depending on what you're it's not weird to see that and if the main goal is health the thing I'm concerned about is the stuff that's I was saying like I'm are you sleeping well do you have good sustained energy are you not having to suck down the caffeine like crazy pretty happy with the weight you don't feel like you're retaining a bunch of water feel bloated if I mean if all those things are you were checking all those boxes you're probably doing pretty damn good you know change your bilateral exercises for lower body to unilateral just do that so instead of you know double leg squat with dumbbells Bulgarian split stance squat with dumbbells that'll make it intense instead of a deadlift with both legs do a single leg deadlift basically what I said yeah exactly what Justin said go unilateral with the lower body that'll give you the the extra resistance that you need and I think that would probably be enough okay and you think that like even and I know I mean I do usually do it five days a week but I don't feel like I go super super hard like I'm not like sweating I'm not and I just walk other other than that that's okay that's okay you're fine yeah yes but I actually I actually prefer anabolic split too yeah I tend to I tend to break up anabolic it works better that way for me than the long one set the one session you know foundational day I like to split it up I don't think that's hindering you at all okay yeah I'll definitely stick with that and try to be a little bit more just less critical I guess well I think I think Doug is gonna send you over map suspension also from us so you can play with that a little bit too so it won't hurt to add I think just having just a good new stimulus yeah novel exercises are gonna we're gonna help out but yeah and then maybe in the future consider like a prx rack where you can attach it to your wall and fold it away so you can still use your garage and I mean that just I think there's a lot of value in having a barbell squat rack at your place totally yeah yeah I agree okay awesome thank you so much I really appreciate it yeah thanks for calling in Teal thanks for the support too yes thank you have a good one you too yep yeah I I think that's a bit of a case of yeah no I think you I think you I think you hit it yeah I've had clients like that where it's like they're doing really well yeah everything's consistent they're doing really well it's like they get nervous because it's like they're doing well is this really going well yeah or your type A's have very high expectations yeah high expectations so it's like you're putting all the work in and then if you're not seeing the like serious results like I'm not adding weight or you don't feel a crazy struggle right right like yeah so then it's like man should I be doing more I'm not doing enough because I'm not seeing more results it's like well listen when your goal is overall health uh you sound pretty damn healthy to me it sounds like you got a pretty good balance your routine sounds great and and you know and again type A personality to hear an episode like dr. cabral who then tells the benefits of eating in the morning and then goes oh shit I've been skipping breakfast I need to change that's like well wait a second here hold on like and that's where this is so important like yeah you can make the case why that there is value to that metabolism wise and what cabral talked about but then you also have to take an account like does this work for your lifestyle like do you like not eating till noon because it helps you manage your calories and keep you at a healthy weight and you feel good and you feel good and if that's the case then I don't care what doctor says what about how the benefits of you eating in the first thing in the morning it's like this works really well for you let's continue do it now different story if you look at me and go hey I'm really struggling with this or my energy dips or I don't feel good or I'm having trouble sleeping okay now we can explore some other maybe it is you not eating all the way till noon every single day and then maybe we change that yeah the other the other side of this too is even the client where not only are they just feeling good but they're progressing and then they're like what else can I add to progress faster yeah you ever get that like oh I'm like you just gained 20 pounds in your squad yeah let's keep doing good let's just stick with it keep it where it's at our next caller is Emily from Arizona Emily what's happening how can we help you so excited to be here on the show and uh yeah I'm a long time listener like the last three or four years pretty consistently so excited to get to talk to you guys awesome all right so just a little bit of background about me I'm a certified athletic trainer so I work in sports medicine I have been at my school this is going on my third season with my school I work at a prep school um where we have mostly basketball athletes so all of my kids are getting recruited to play D1 you know we just had a couple of kids get drafted to go to the NBA so I work with like very high level athletes awesome this upcoming year my job is kind of like evolving they you know decided that they like me they trust me and you know like what else can we do to like benefit our kids because a lot of them are recruited to come into the school so you know their parents are like kind of leaving them in Arizona with us and just trusting us with them to like take care of them that we're going to give them like the best you know chance to get into college and you know to play professionally eventually so this upcoming year I'm helping with the nutrition coaching as well so we have a chef at the school who's going to be preparing all their meals like from scratch every day which is awesome wow and then we also hired a strength and conditioning coach so like a guy who's a CSCS has worked in basketball for a long time as well so like I know I have a good team around me but they kind of put me in charge of tracking everything they're like we want to do a pre-season and like you know couple like monthly check-ins just to like make sure that everything we're implementing is beneficial so a lot of the parents and everything you know they want to know you know it while is my kid progressing so honestly my question was you know like what do you guys think will be the best way to track it'll be body composition like performance so you know like how they're doing on the court weight room and then I want to track their injury prevention so like we haven't worked we've worked with strength coaches in the past but it just hasn't been like super consistent so this year I think it will be a little bit more consistent than it's been in the past um and just keeping that like you know as cheap as we can do it as possible would be awesome and then yeah what like whatever is going to be the most beneficial to like you know show our coaches and parents and the administration that you know the money we're spending on you know these things that we're implementing this year are like worth it to keep doing in the future this is cool I wish you could send my kids to the school yeah that sounds awesome okay recruited pretty much recruited only but yeah how old are the kids that you're working with um 17, 18, 19 they're all like pretty much junior senior in high school yeah I think um I personally I would look at because you're already tracking their their performance and their strength you said right so you're already looking at things like how much weight they can lift how are you doing that by the way too are you using any of the the grip testing as as part of that no so that's kind of the thing is this is the first year we're going to have this strength coach at the school so me and him have kind of been going back and forth on you know like what do we want to do preseason testing wise like do we want to do grip strength do we want to do you know um rewrap maxes do we want to do a 40-yard dash do we want to go get them pod pod tested or just do like skin count burns at the school so like we have a lot of resources open but it's just like what's going to be the easiest to do month to month what's going to be the cheapest and like what's going to show the most benefit is really like what we're looking at I like all that if it's feasible totally if it's feasible the more the more metrics that you can get the better off you're going to be did you ever listen to the episode HRV even yeah did you listen to the episode we did with Corey Schlesinger I don't think so okay you should go back and listen to that so he now works for the sons he was working for uh Santa Clara at the time he's the basketball coach or excuse me is it stanford oh yeah he was for stanford and he was the basketball the strength and conditioning coach for stanford is now the strength and conditioning coach for the phoenix sons good friend of ours and uh he did some stuff that I and I don't know and maybe in that episode he talked about the app that he was using I think a metric that you didn't bring up that I thought was very interesting he talked about was their workload week to week and specifically for injury prevention like you're talking about so the strength and conditioning coach would work hand in hand with the basketball coaches that were running them on the courts and stuff and they were actually tracking the athletes like how much workload they were putting in and then he would he would manipulate how much he would push them in the gym based off of how much the coach was running them on the core and they would they would they would do load management basically so instead of running separately we're on the on the strength and conditioning coach this is my routine I run it every single week the same way and on the you know basketball head coach and so I run my by players this way they were working together and he would modify as the strength and conditioning coach oh maybe today I was originally going to do heavy lifting heavy squatting stuff but I guess coat head coach decided to run the shit of the kids the last two days and so actually I'm going to do more rehab work with my players because injury prevention is so important that's the best way I mean in terms of like stress management and I know there's sophisticated software out there that's expensive and so you're trying to do this a little bit more on the cheap right and so like that's why I mentioned grip testing is you know one of those options like you're just like consistently testing them before workouts just to see you know what kind of response they have in terms of their CNS because that's going to vary a bit and I've been playing around with it with these student athletes and kind of like paying attention and it does reveal a bit about their readiness so it is a valuable resource for that that's on the cheaper side of it instead of going with like a whoop or like a you know an HRV where they're they're strapped up you know checking that variability so I but everything else you mentioned like I've I've implemented like so that's that's great like another thing too like in terms of like just a quick mobility check and to see like you know in terms of like their joint health and whatnot like I just use our compass tests so for prime I don't know if you have our prime programs or not but you could run through and even do like your own even go into prime pro and maybe like you know fixated on their ankles and knees a little bit more rather than just you know our three sort of checkpoints that we do in our broad type of testing in in prime so you can get a little more sophisticated in it that way but that's something you can always show a little bit of progress a little bit of you know gain of range of motion a little bit more control strength in that but in terms of like a three rep max I think is brilliant that's something that I I didn't want to do one rep because yeah there's a little more risk to that and it's a totally different skill set the kids have to learn so I don't know how much time you have to really you know implement that as well but yeah I think between that and then like if you can do just vertical jump obviously basketball super specific to that and then 40 yard dash and then you know shuttle run something like that that you can like do time tests with out in the field really quick really easy shows a lot of you know like you're just you have a lot of metrics and you're paying attention you can send that off to the parents yeah if you can if you can show that athletes are maintaining a healthy body fat percentage they're getting faster they're jumping higher they're getting stronger yeah that in itself and then and then you're managing their load management to me those five points right there are huge yeah like your kid is your kid is either maintained or lost body fat percentage he is jumping higher he is running faster he is stronger in the gym like that is like I mean that's a win all the way across and then and he's not injured because we're managing we're managing his load and making sure that we're not overstressing his body but we are pushing him to reach new PRs like to and the reason why I ask the age is because right around that 17, 18, 19 they've now been playing for a while sounds like they're high level based off of what you're telling me and you have a chef cooking them food and you're recruiting them a lot of this and you see this with higher level athletes with experience a lot of it is is preventing injury so when they're young it's like push them to get stronger push them to improve performance but once they start to get to that level if you just keep them from getting hurt and overtraining their performance does excellent and so that really becomes key because like again they probably are getting trained a lot they're probably doing a lot of practice it sounds like there's a lot of focus on their performance so I would worry I would worry more about mobility and recovery and how do I keep them healthy rather than what can I add to push their performance even further because they're probably already kind of redlining they're probably already at that level they've been training for so long they're such high level that if you just keep them healthy prevent overtraining and don't get them hurt or keep them from getting hurt then they're gonna they're gonna do great do you have a good relationship with the the coach in terms of like their practice schedule and like so you could actually like acquire a lot of that workload so you could like write it down and chart it yes I mean my head coach have like an awesome relationship but it's not like he's going to change his practice plan if like you know I think they're being overworked like you know no no no no no no no no so the coach the head coach the head coach is not gonna change his shit yeah yeah you're working around that that's where like I know that me and the strength and conditioning coach are more going to have to teach the things that we're doing in terms of like rehab testing what they're doing in the weight room what they're doing you know in their agility training like I know that's where things are going to need to be tweaked versus at practice but we have a great relationship and I'm at practice every day like I don't miss a practice when they're at the gym I'm there just in case somebody gets hurt because they want me to be like first person on the scene like to be able to evaluate and kind of like you know get the ball rolling if you know if they need to be referred or you know I just need to take their ankle from to get back to practice so I'm there all the time just I know they're workloaded so just you being able to get an idea of what a like we just want to get an idea of what I would consider like a low workload and then a high workload and then based off of that as the strength and conditioning coach I'm going to adjust two different workouts that's right that's right so I've got let's just say this is a let's say it's a weak head coach is the guys are conditioned it's a they're they're ready to go we're ready for the game we're doing walkthroughs a lot of just like basic drill stuff I'm not really pushing the boys hard that would be considered very low and then I and and on a week like that then my strength and conditioning guy can push the limits a little bit in the weight room because they're so well rested there and then I have the other stream where coaches like we got our asses kicked we were getting we were but we were not conditioned well you fuckers are running this week this is and he's pushing the shit out of them and and then now my strength and conditioning coach needs to know like oh this week is recovery we're re we're rehabbering we're doing a lot of roll exercises yeah mobility stability stuff like more foot control we're not pressing the weights and so that in itself I think if you guys can get to that level where the strength and conditioning coach yourself are are mirroring what's going on with the head coach and really changing the routine based off of the workload they're doing I think that's going to do enough injury prevention wise and then if you use Justin's suggestion as a grip test you can start to correlate like oh wow that boy this that really does work when they I like that because it's daily you know they come in they they squeeze a you know the the dynamometer routine yeah and then you know oh we got to train easier because it doesn't here's the other thing there's also lots of uncontrollables there's their teenage boys so maybe the workload is low with the head coach girlfriend just dumped on yeah dude just didn't go to sleep for two days in a row because he's hanging out with his girlfriend or maybe something happened or whatever or his diet's been crap so I like that because that tells you right then and there you're going to train harder or you you got to train well that's why all the metrics all the metrics you can take are only going to help you right so without it being over the top right as long as it's and it's don't need to present it to the student athletes right that's just for your own right yeah yeah because the sales point it's a great point like it could have been a low workload for the the coach but then the strength condition coach does the strength test by everybody and he goes oh wow for some reason Timmy is like this is like the worst grip test he's ever done so even though I had plan he was playing video games all night yeah even though I had planned to run everybody in the ground what what he may not know is maybe you know Timmy's coming off a cold or getting ready to get sick or he had a stressful week whatever and so he's going to manage him individually right because he sees that so yeah I think that's a no-brainer to do that on a daily basis but that's kind of one of the things that I think I'd be looking at it sounds like you guys are set up I'm pretty excited to hear about how this goes yeah me too I think this next year just having all the help that I'm going to have like compared to like my previous last few seasons before I was kind of doing I think I was just doing a little too much it was hard to like keep track of everything you know and I was more playing catch-up rather than prevention so I feel like this year and I think that's a really great idea to do the grip testing I hadn't thought about to do that like every simple day I was more thinking every day every day doing that every day would be like pretty cool actually well yeah imagine the cool feedback imagine the cool feedback you can even give the parents like that you're so in tune right with like his you know after you've charted that for weeks consistently you go oh wow it seems like Timmy again on weekends he must go really hard because Monday morning when he rolls in he's always testing especially okay especially and here's something I found out through doing that was you know some of the kids that literally look like baby drafts like they just are flimsy and have like very little body control like consistently doing grip testing and you start to teach them how they need to be able to tense their entire body and you know be able to produce that type of intrinsic force and carry that throughout their body you start to see a change in the way that they left to in the control they have with these major compound lifts especially so there's a lot of carryover in terms of value of that as well yeah definitely all right awesome cool thanks for calling in good luck can we yeah thank you guys it's great to meet you you too all right yeah it's uh when kids are the younger kids are the more you're focused on pushing this general performance the higher the higher the level because you look at like professional athletes what percentage of the training that uh Steph Curry does for example is towards yeah I didn't I didn't I didn't want to get into it with you about that but I don't fully agree with what you said like it's not they're still in a young they're pretty fucking resilient bro they're you're talking about a college athlete heading into pro what I'm saying is they're at that you're right but they're at that cusp especially with the school especially a school like this like sure you know high school that recruits kids and has a chef sure I bet you these kids are like no but yeah but this is this is not where the this is not where the the switch of like okay all we're worried about is injury prevention no not all this is this is you are prime testosterone wise you are resilient as fuck we are still kind of throttled down right now yeah it's on it's on top of mine but also like they need to build a foundational strength base that is like a really high priority with with that age group but yeah like simultaneous to that have to do constant checkups of their their joint health mobility that's what I mean because you have you have what ends up happening is you have separate coaches working with students each coast has their agenda and each coach wants to push their agenda yeah and so if they don't communicate they don't do the testing you know you brought up Schlesinger which I thought was great because that's exactly what they did and that's what worked yeah but when what happens when you have a strength coach you have a head coach you have this you know sports medicine individual working with them everybody's pushing them dude it's next level if coaches could all communicate like that together and like figure out like in chart how much work load they're like hammering them with in practice because then like that's valuable information for me to know in the gym that's it that's it to me that's it I mean that's all they really if that's already such a step in the right direction for high school kids yeah that you're so ahead I mean we were talking about Corey Schlesinger who's ahead of the game who's ahead of the game in the college level I know and she's already moving if this school is moving that way in high school very few high schools are even thinking like that Corey's going to be one of the best in the NBA watch yeah no I mean well the shit there's the sons are one of the that was the best team last year as far as record wise he's just getting started so yeah no they're they're phenomenal what they he's phenomenal what he did that's a great episode for her like god did you see that's nine nine oh seven that's fucking the oh it was that long ago wow oh we gotta call send him a text because the season's over yeah we should bring him back on because I didn't realize that's that's been years that's 2018 yeah okay wow we need we need some updates yeah no we should definitely get back into it with them our next caller is Abby from Wisconsin hey Abby how can we help you hey guys how's it going good good good good so I just wanted to first say like everybody does I really appreciate you guys taking the time to take my question I will just go ahead and read my question so I've been a person of trainer since 2017 and I started working in the gym from 2018 to 2020 and after I left the gym in 2020 I started to I went off on my own to work with clients on my own I work with people both on the fitness and nutrition side and I feel I have a pretty good understanding you know meeting my clients where they're at and I feel like I start to sometimes with working with clients I can't get them to commit to sometimes some of the things I have them do so I usually digress to try and meet them where they're at I feel I put in all of this time and energy and I feel like when my heart and soul into it so my question is when and how is it a good time to know when it's when you should let a client go I hate I absolutely hate the thought of letting clients go and I know you guys have said before that it's ultimately a trainer's fault of why their clients can't see progress but I was just wondering if there is a time to let the client go and try and keep some sanity on your end so I love your guy's opinion I think it's less about that and it's more about you getting better at managing expectations so instead of thinking that you know you're putting all this energy and effort in these clients and you're working so hard to try and get them to get to where these results that they want and they're just not following what you tell them to do and it's then you're thinking like god is this mean I should fire these people no what you need to do is get better at managing the expectations like okay if you don't want to follow your follow your diet Susie that's totally okay with me I'll still give you a great workout when you come and see me just keep in mind what is going to potentially happen if you do that so that's where you just need to improve on communicating to them when they're not executing and falling through on things that you know are crucial to them potentially seeing what they say is their goals or what they really want and really questioning that like you know are you sure you're a 10 as far as like really wanting to lose these 30 pounds because you say it's really important to me but then the things I'm telling you that are extremely important for us to follow and be consistent with in order for you to get there we're not doing consistently in fact we're maybe 20 or 30 percent of the time doing it which means at best we're going to be lucky to get 20 to 30 percent of results if we do that which I'm totally okay with because I love training you you're a great client we've built a great relationship you come in consistently and see me I cannot what I can offer you is we are going to work out I'm going to help keep strength on you I'm going to do these things that's going to be good for your mental health and I'm going to I'm going to paint the picture of the positive things that you are at least doing but I'm also going to be very realistic with you on because we're not following X, Y and Z that we're not going to see because of that and so I think that's really what this is more about than like there's very few clients that I actually had to fire or say like we can't work together anymore it's more about managing expectations I think than firing the client yeah do you have like because I mean I did have a line that that would there was a line that if it got crossed I wouldn't want to work with someone and really was just my time so if I'm here and you're supposed to be here and you don't show up and you you don't want me to charge you for a session when that happens then I can't work with you obviously because now it's affecting my business but if they showed up if they at least showed up I know that at least for two or three hours a week they're working out which is better than nothing right so that's that's you know what Adam's saying with expectations a hundred percent that's that's that's the that's the point that's everything right there because at least they're showing up it's better than nothing but you also have to be honest when they ask you hey why am I not getting results well here's why is you don't do anything I tell you so and that's okay like you got to be honest but you also you know you also have to have your line right and then here's the other side of it here's the business side of it is there an amount of money that a client could pay you a specific client that maybe you're thinking about that would make it worth your while I had a client like this there was somebody I trained they were the biggest paying the ass in the world and I said to myself you know what it would be worth my while if they paid me twice as much as my going right and so then I told them my rates are going to go up but this is my rate and if you can't pay it I'm sorry I can't train you and then they paid it and I was okay with them being a paying the ass because I got paid twice as much right so so these are the discussions you have to have with yourself but don't this is the hard part about being a trainer you have to both take it personally and not take it personally you have to take it personal in the sense that you're the guide but you also have to not take it personal when they decide not to take your advice that's funny you brought that up because I'd notice that immediately when I was raising my rates like how much more bought in my clients were and it just makes perfect sense for you know people coming in that's like I'm making this commitment and I'm I'm tied to this you know with with a financial commitment and it's really is kind of one of those things that really maybe pushes somebody a little bit more into the serious side of like really like implementing a lot of what you're trying to you know teach and and and instruct them on but at the end of the day people I mean just getting there for them you have to kind of put yourself back into that that mindset it's it's that's the the biggest challenge the biggest hurdle is to get them to consistently even show up so it is a lot of like what I was talking about about getting the expectation kind of back you know celebrating the winds when they're there scaling back a lot of the goal setting in terms of like how can we now implement something really simple that you know is going to have a little bit more impact with this type of a person so it's not like they feel like they're just they're not accomplishing anything so they as you build your portfolio and you get more experienced you're going to get better and better about fishing this out before you get here for example like later on in my career I started to do this thing I've talked about on the show before but I wasn't doing this for the first 10 years where if you wanted to hire me as a trainer you first had to go track for two weeks for me food your weight in the morning your way I mean I gave them a pretty rigorous list of things they had to go give to me before you could pay me to then take care of you and what happened more often than not people couldn't even go two weeks of writing down their food to present to me for us to start and so right away I knew like if you can't do that when you're the the most motivated and you're ready to make this change in your life you're not ready to be a client of mine because I'm going to give you a lot more tasks than just that over the course the next six months and you're going to have a lot more times when you're not feeling like it and you're less motivated than you are currently at this moment you're not ready for me yeah and I'm consider that at that point Adam had clients knocking down his door too right so right you might not be in that position that's why I said when you build your portfolio and you get the experience you'll get to that point totally but you know here's an example of being honest right so you know let's say I have somebody I'm working with and I'm trying to help them with nutrition and they're doing nothing right or they're doing none of what I tell them to do I stop helping them with nutrition and then they'll bring it up to me Sal can you you know help me with my diet and I'm like John I'll be honest with you I don't want to because we did and it didn't work and I honestly don't think you're ready so let's just focus on this other stuff first and let's be consistent with that and then maybe I'll bring it up again later but that's what I mean by being honest right you can be very honest with the person and still care and show up and do you know get them to be better often they would be without you but you got to be very careful with the you know taking a personal but not taking a personal because otherwise it gets to this whole like if you're not going to do what I tell you then I don't want to train you type of deal which that can often be worse off for the client really want to help somebody I've done that I blew someone out a long time ago because of that and then they ended up not working out and I was like shit you know at least they were coming two days a week now they're doing nothing because I blew them out of the out of the water which you know didn't help anybody right yeah no that totally makes sense I think I just I definitely put myself in their shoes where you know starting back on my fitness journey I wish I would have had a personal trainer and I think I just understand you know what such great tool and resource that trainers are you know it's just I know I have to take myself out of that situation and know that every single person is going to be different so yeah well that totally makes sense many clients I guarantee every one of us in this room have had many clients where all we did was ace I have had clients where all I did was focus on cardio with them because that's all that I could get them to commit to and focus on or some clients all we did was nutrition I had some clients all we did was working even though I knew that I needed to help them with everything so much more if they allowed me in the other aspects of their life but that was all they would let me in on and so then I would do the best I could impacting that little sliver they would give me and then if and when they came back to me and were frustrated with not seeing progress or not you know whatever I would say well these are the reasons why you know and you can you can drip that right while you're training you can kind of hint to that I think a real good trainer can do that like in between the sets you can be like oh man if man you're doing so good working out right now I'm so proud of where we're living I said if we could just get that diet dialed in boy I can't imagine the results I mean I'm I'm saying things like that all the time planning the seed to try and motivate them to want to be inspired to do the other things at the same time I'm also managing expectations by letting them know that's why we're not seeing these things you know because we're not following those those things I'm saying yeah you're as a coach your job is to have the door be open they have to step through it at the end of the day there's nothing you can't force them through they have to be the one to step but you always gotta keep the door open just think of it that way let me keep the door open and when they're ready they'll come over I mean I've had clients lose 30 pounds in three years that took them three years to lose 30 pounds and it all happened at the end when everything finally clicked so think about that two and a half years I had to sit there listen to this person tell me how much they want to lose weight when in reality they don't want to do what was necessary so I had to manage that manage those expectations until it finally all came together right yeah definitely it all makes sense it just sometimes my heart strings a little bit just to know at the end of the day I have to refocus and come at it at a different angle so completely yep totally so thank you Abby those are the challenges of being a trainer Abby you're not allowed 100% yeah I'm getting there and I'm learning more every day and you know it just and that's I really appreciate your guys's content and I've gotten my sister-on-law on board with your guys's programs and I'm actually I'm in phase two of anabolic right now so I am live and breathe your guys's programs right now Abby do you have Prime and Prime Pro? I have Prime but I don't have Prime Pro we'll send that to Doug send her Prime Pro before Adam loses his shit I'll send that I'll send it over he has one eye twitching right now we'll send it over we'll send it over close oh awesome thank you I appreciate it so much all right Abby Abby have a good one awesome have a good day you too yeah I had I had a client once right hire me because they want to lose weight and then as we're training you know this at this point now I had been more experienced right so as we're training they're gaining weight right they're gaining weight as we're working out through this process and then you know she asked me she's like why why am I gaining body fat I was like well because you're eating too much you're not following whatever doing nutrition and they be like well what do you mean like well that's what's happening and that's fine when you're ready then it'll go in the opposite direction but at least you're here working out with me and I would just be honest you know you don't have to lie you'd be very straightforward and honest manage expectation that's it yeah that's everything there's a skill to that though there really is totally because it's hard not to be like especially when you're new and you're so passionate yes you're like just evangelist that took you took me years to get there it took me a long time this is 10 years later yes it took me a long time but that's where you need to get right it's not this is not you need to fire the client this is not like you don't need to like have the come to Jesus and hammer them about things no it's just that listen some people are not going to be ready to commit to all the things that you want them to commit to for them to see these ultimate results which you obviously want because it looks good for you as a trainer and you want to help people and you have the answers right you have the answers but the truth is if they're not asking they're not wanting to your point walk through the door you don't want to shove them through the door just wait but then you also can't ignore like what here's a mistake that a young tree they okay they start to get down they're like okay well I'm just going to train them but then they don't communicate while they're doing that because what you need to do you have to keep finding ways yeah you got to set the table for what's coming that because I know if a client comes to me they want to lose 50 pounds and they refuse to track nutrition or steps or movement or any things that all I got is three days of lifting weights the likelihood we're going to lose all the weight they want is probably really low so I'm I'm not only am I I'm not going to push the nutrition I'm going to give them what they want but then I'm also going to let them know like you know what's really cool is we're definitely going to be getting some strength we're going to get stronger and hopefully speed up your metabolism but until we get to the point where we're tracking calories is going to be real get that scale though yeah so you you can't just ignore that they're not following that and not communicate no you can't not care you got to care you just got to find find a way and sometimes it takes years to find a way I literally have had clients where it's taken years right but you but like it's that's what being honest is all about it's like you have those conversations leave it alone yep our next caller is Cody from Wisconsin what's up Cody how can we help you hey guys how we doing today it's great to be on the show I appreciate you guys taking my call um happy 4th of July by the way hey yeah up in America up here in Wisconsin uh Justin would love it yeah give me some cheese curds yeah so a little bit of background or about myself I'm five seven about 185 pounds pushing 190 trying to be about as wide as I am tall been in the army for about seven years now and I just got done with recruiting for them actually so I'm uh extra special thank you to you guys for what I'm doing now which is uh nutritional coaching because without you guys no one would have discovered Jason Phillips and his team over there NCI so thank you for that I really appreciate it and uh so first question I got for you is what kind of uh what kind of carbs do you guys recommend eating for energy like in the morning because I know through the courses that I have taken from their level one nutrition coaching I learned that the carbs are like counter regulatory to the insulin production or I'm all mixed up the you eat carbs it produces insulin which turns off cortisol and you want to back load your carbs so that you have your cortisol curve lowest at night so that you can start producing the melatonin and uh so I was just curious what gets the energy going for you in the morning then well what do you what do you need the energy for you're doing just a regular strength training workout yes I typically work out in the mornings if you're doing like a tradition like a traditional strength training workout about an hour hour and 20 minutes long you don't you don't need to worry about eating a big old ass carb meal before that the carbs you ate the night before are going to fuel that the only people that I would have worry about eating carbohydrate rich meal a couple hours before athletic performance are people working out for like two hours stamina endurance high intensity type stuff that's when it kind of makes sense also you could also drink carbohydrates during your workout that'll help a little bit with that but if you're just lifting weights you're fine with the carbs you had the night before it's not something you need to necessarily work about I also think there's there's a bit of an individual variance here preference here and so just so you know okay I I built myself into the biggest monster I'd ever built getting on stage and competing at the highest level without ever over complicating this and what it looked like for me was you know testing out different breakfast you know I did the carrying over the meal from night like having the meat and rice and and then I'd had like meat rice and eggs for breakfast then I had other mornings where I did like a big oatmeal breakfast and then I had other mornings where I did like a sweet potato with something and you know and really what I was doing with that was less about like trying to break down the science of what's going on with cortisol and insulin and more like how do I feel eating this way and then my workout two hours later is in my it's my performance in the gym feeling me and for me it was oatmeal like I felt the best on that now I didn't feel bad on those other things I just said I definitely didn't feel good if I had something off like a cereal or like a or a big old like steak breakfast at that time and eggs like I wanted some carbohydrates for sure I noticed a big difference fact I noticed when I had two carb meals before my workout I had the but the best workouts the best pumps the best lifting sessions so basically for me that was about 80 to 90 grams of carbohydrates before I would lift so that's what it came down to me and that was so individual like I would talk to all my competitive buddies and some of them lifted better on lower carbohydrates some of them needed even more carbohydrates than that someone chose different carbohydrates like so for me I mean what you're learning in NCI I think is is important so you understand how the body works and responds to all these different foods and so you have that foundation but as far as applying that to yourself for maximal results to try and build as much muscle get jacked like it sounds like you're trying to do I'm really actually I'm doing the field test I'm playing with the amount of carbohydrates and what type of carbohydrates and then how does my workout feel and I'm doing that consistently for a while so I have a time to measure it and go okay two weeks of eating oatmeal every single morning at this time and then having this meal and then working out this is how I felt okay now I'm gonna switch it up I'm gonna eat rice and this and now I'm gonna add a little bit more so I'm gonna do a higher carb and then I'm gonna look and then and then basically deciding what that is for you that gives you the best performance that's my opinion on how I would approach what you're trying to do are you working out really early in the morning or is this later on? uh I probably have about an hour before I go lift I've been making eggs and hash browns like four to six eggs and then hash browns before I go lift let it settle a little bit and then yeah go and pump some iron well okay so for for I mean and how do you feel an hour for a lot of people might be too short of a time window to eat and then what 30 minutes later you have your pre-workout and then you work out uh yeah it's it's usually about 45 minutes to about an hour before that that I eat and then I'll take some pre go lift and uh I guess it does kind of depend upon how big of a meal I ate for dinner the night prior as to like how much hash browns or how many eggs I'm not necessarily tracking my calorie intake or my macros right now it's kind of just been like the intuitive eating so okay well that first of all that will pay you way more dividends than trying to figure out what type of carbohydrate to intake so knowing that is way more important so that's another thing too when we're talking about things when we're talking about insulin cortisol and things like that we're also talking about priorities and if I don't know if I you can't tell me if you were if you if I was coaching you and you couldn't tell me your carbohydrate intake and your macros on a regular basis but then you wanted to ask me a question about what type of carbohydrate intake I would push back on you and go like you first give me that information so I can adjust your calories and your macros before we start getting into what specific carbohydrates to take at what time and also just to try this okay if you since you're working out so early and you have limited time make a shake put a half a cup to a cup of oats inside the shake with like banana strawberries like in some berries and make like a protein shake for your meal and see how you feel do that for a couple workouts and get back to me with that that loaded up of carbohydrates so use dry oats inside the shake use some berries that you like so strawberries blueberries whatever banana in there and your favorite protein shake and take that in and that is will digest break down and get into your system faster than like your hash brown and egg meal have you tried fat going into the workout fast? yeah usually if I was running out of time or I just get up quick and I got to get to the gym right away I'll go fasted or I'll just eat a little bit of fruit for the the fast digesting carbs there have you noticed the difference between eating and fast and fasted for yourself is there a big difference? I guess if I eat like a larger breakfast before I go lift I'll feel a little bit more I guess bog down the fruit and less food before I go that tends to give me like a little bit it feels better when I workout but I guess I don't have the endurance to lift as long it seems yeah and something like that then I would go with the lighter meal and then maybe drink some carbs during the workout for the sustained energy yeah I will I do have a room powder that I throw a scoop in with my protein post workout so I mean I want to get back I want to get back to to the the priority list here because I'm gonna you're not getting coached by anybody right now right you're just doing this on your own no I'm trying to gain the knowledge to help coach myself and then pass it okay so then this is important because you're going to get somebody in the especially in the competing world you actually sound like somebody who's like getting into the competing world the way you're talking because this is the type of stuff that all my competitor friends would talk about like trying to maximize insulin levels for max and I'm like bro if you're not tracking your calories and watching those things that that is so much more important they get stuck in the wrong detail they do are they like timing their meal like like you know I'm gonna they're making their shake in the locker room right after their lift because we're trying to hit that anabolic window and it's like dude that is not that important if all the macros and calories aren't accounted for that's so much more important so I would be really challenging you in that of like dude be very consistent with tracking your macros and calories and don't try and I mean remember that we we push intuitive eating on this show all the time because we're talking to generally people that just want to be healthy and fit like you if you came to me and said yo Adam let's get jacked I want to put on as much muscle get as strong as I possibly can and as fast as I possibly can I'm gonna go okay we need to track we're not eating intuitively we are going to get this thing dialed especially if you're talking about insulin and cortisol and you want to get that detail it's like we're gonna start tracking and really pay attention because there is such an individual variance I've seen all different types of foods affect all different clients differently and sometimes the science lines up perfectly and it's like oh that makes sense why he feels better eating the carbs and then sometimes it doesn't make sense and so until you and I got dialed in enough to where we are tracking exactly how you feel and you reported that to me I'd want you focusing on those things first before I got into this stuff that's just my opinion right yeah I guess after listening to the show for three years I probably could have predicted to hear the individual variance answer and you know start with the basics before we start getting into the scientific stuff so yeah I mean that makes me feel better and seriously bro I didn't even get this far into overthinking the process for myself at the highest level of building a body it's and I would tease all my bodybuilder buddies that because it is what they like to talk about all the science nerds like to get into how it all affects the body and the glycemic index and they start and it's like man really honestly it's about being consistent good-ass programming staying dialed in on the calories and macros and most guys just don't have the fortitude to do that long enough and consistent enough to build these crazy physiques that's really what it is it takes serious and honestly the guys with the best physiques a lot of times aren't even the smartest guys they have proven they have that discipline to stay consistent about stuff so it's like to me it's first about building that consistency and discipline around tracking and paying attention to what you're intaking and then we can start to get a little geeky about pulling and tweak in and like and I've done all this stuff too bro where I've back loaded my carbs I've front loaded my carbs I've carb cycled I've done a low carb diet I mean I've played and I've played high carb I've done everything in the sun to get to the bottom of like how my body responds best all those things as I think that you should too if you're asking questions you want to know about that stuff just sip on aminos all day bro stupid stupid don't do that I'm trying to just press just press I actually uh I read a study recently that said that excessive amino intake reduces the dopamine production in the brain yep or you or you guys told me that I don't even remember it was it was it was probably too many branching to acids cause depression yep yep yeah yeah uh so I guess that leads into my next question for you and that's how do you guys avoid xenoestrogens because uh I know you've talked on the show plenty of times about the rapid decline in testosterone in today's day and age which is pretty scary so just curious where your thoughts are on that the biggest offenders because you'll find them almost everywhere but the biggest offenders are plastic containers plastic bottles in particular so avoid those receipts from the grocery store receipts from the grocery store those are those so you know when you get the receipt and it's kind of waxy it's actually stupid yeah but there's a lot there's so many in that that you're that you touch with your hands and it goes into your skin a lot of stuff so receipts are really bad plastic bottles are really bad and then antibacterial soaps and chemicals in detergents those are the main ones that I would look at now you can go down the list and you'll go crazy cause they're everywhere in the modern world but if if you just focus on those right there you'll you'll hit the biggest offenders and I and I think yeah you guys hear me out of touch and receipts anymore I never I never touched them anymore and I you know this was this is actually on my mind is how I was you know rubbing my chemical deodorant on myself the other day and thinking about this exactly thing right there's certain things in my life that I'm just I'm not willing to like break from it's like my old spice deodorant that I just won't go with the all natural you know deodorant you don't have to it's just I mean look there are really good brands now that avoid the biggest offenders when it comes to products and you can find them now they used to be a very small market before they used to be where if you wanted deodorant that was free of this stuff you need to use the salt you know that look like a salt brick that you rub on your arms isn't doing anything well my point of bringing that up and saying that I why I was having this conversation in my head with myself was that like it's something that I hadn't changed and it's like for me there's there's a hierarchy of things that I need to improve in my life health wise before I get radical about certain things that have been consistent in my