Welcome to Think Tech, Restaurants Hawaii. Today, June 15, 2021, and it's lunch hour in Hawaii. My name is Cheryl Matsuoka. I am the Hawaii Restaurant Association's Executive Director, and today I have two guests. Our first guest is Mark Spain, who is the District Director for the State of Hawaii Small Business Administration. The second guest is Shabon Garcia, Hawaii Restaurant Association's Executive Assistant. So I'll have Shabon go ahead and introduce Mark. Yes, thank you. We want to welcome today, just as you said, Mark Spain. He is the SBA District Director for the State of Hawaii, the territories of Guam and American Samoa, the Commonwealth of the Northern Mariana Islands, the Federated States of Micronesia, the Republic of Palau, and the Republic of the Marshall Islands. Yes, Mark. So today's topic, Mark, is the recent court case where payments to the Restaurant Revitalization Fund grant recipients were suspended. And these recipients were qualified under the priority designation of the Restaurants Act. And to me, this demonstrates that Congress needs to replenish the RRF, the Restaurant Revitalization Fund, and my message to restaurant tours is to stay motivated and to contact your Washington delegation to finish the mission and fully fund the RRF. Mark? Well, I'll tell you what, we'll answer your last statement first. The fact is it will be funded. We do know that there's two, both House and Senate, are proposing a $60 billion addition to the $28.6 billion that was already funded for the program. I think it's important to point out that for the priority group, $28.6 billion was allocated for the entire restaurant group, of course. Of that $28.6 billion, nearly $26.8 billion has already been allocated to the priority group. Now, the problem is that the applications total over $300,000. We know that the amount of money to meet the balance of the applications indeed is right around $61 billion, $60 to $61 billion give or take. And that would be fully replenishing the fund necessary to fund all categories of restaurants, whether priority or standard. Back to you, Cheryl. Yes, and Mark, as I mentioned, when the court ruling happened on Friday, my phone, the texts and the calls didn't stop. So one of the questions that I received from a Hawaii Restaurant Association member is, how does the court ruling affect those restaurant tours that received the notice last week, but that they have been approved, but they have not seen their funds in their bank account yet? So how does this affect those restaurant tours that hasn't seen the money, but has received the approval notice? Yeah, there's almost 3000 approved restaurant tours in the priority group that have had, because of the court injunction, have had their funds held in suspense. I think very candidly, the solution to that is going to be the additional funding coming from Congress, so that all categories of restaurant tours can be taken advantage of. But right now, with the injunction, and I will provide to your membership for you to distribute, Cheryl, both the comments from the SBA Chief Legal Officer and also a summary. Some people can probably Google it themselves, but I'll send you both documents so you can share with your membership in greater detail than perhaps I can comment on the program today. Three solutions. Number one, Congress, you have to find the balance. Number two, when you do, I think the litigation will be dismissed or modified out of court settlement. Number three, then the funds dispersed that are being held in suspense will be dispersed. Wow. Wow. So that's, yeah. The other question that I received was, and this is a really burning one, because some of our members has received the funds in the bank. So now with the court ruling, will they have to refund the money? Is there any slim chance that they won't be able to keep it? That was the burning question. Not to worry. Based upon the information I have on page two of this document that I'm sharing with you later, the fact is the funds based upon the law are in compliance with the law. Now, with the actual $60 billion advance, I do feel there will be some clarification language, not to worry about the removal or the resending back the money, not at all, but merely to make the intent of Congress more clear that no discrimination was intended by the statute. All we were trying to do is reach out to those who did not necessarily have the resources as other restaurateurs would have to make their happening. It was merely a timing decision. It wasn't an exclusion decision, but because of the funding being short, obviously it meant that those who are not in the priority group are basically being deferred. It's not much different than the PPP program last August the 8th when Congress did not move forward until the 27th of December when President Trump at that time approved the PPP to resume. We don't want to see that happen for the restaurant revitalization, but it shouldn't happen because it's not alone. It is a grant. And I feel at this point, no worries on any of your membership should be focused on the concern about returning the money back to the SBA for that purpose. Looking forward, we hope to take care of everyone's needs. Back to you. That's a big few for a lot of our members that I've heard from Mark. So thank you for that reassurance. I'm going to turn it over to Siobhan. She also had a few questions. So one of my questions, too, would be the $60 billion that you're mentioning. Do we have any idea on a timeline of when this will be funded and when people can start to expect to see those monies that have been approved in their bank account? I think it's probably safe to say that the Department of Justice once does not want to deal with this, Siobhan, any longer than it has to. I have a feeling that Congress will be on a fast track. Not much different than what we experienced last April and May when the initial recovery monies were made available through the economic entry disaster loan. So I would hope before, and I'll say this with no certainty on my part, but just being around the Congress for the last 50 years of my career, that they want to do it before the 4th of July holiday. Fund it. Wow. So soon. We hope so. Okay.  So with that said, how did something like the RF, how did they get approval to kind of say that people were socially disadvantaged when it does seem like everybody during COVID was socially disadvantaged? I'll give you a response. It's based upon what we call in the SBA, the 8A program. That's a contracting program that literally provides guidance to federal contracting officers who do business to small business firms who do federal subcontracting. There is a very strict guideline based upon almost 35 years of protocol and legislation. That way, if you are allowed to enter the program, you know you're coming in because you're either socially or economically disadvantaged.  In this case, Congress had no precedent for this particular grant. What they chose to do in the hurry after the inauguration of President Biden was try to reach out in a very forceful way. The lack of wisdom, if I were sitting across from the Congressman case or Congressman Cahilly or Senator Herano and Senator Schatz was the incomplete assessment of what the need was. When we're talking about a $2 trillion to sell $6 trillion annual expenditure, it would probably be safe to say, except for certain states where the lockdown wasn't severe, that the money of $28.6 billion just did not compute. There are resources on Capitol Hill that can definitely allocate and they do it very well, what will be the probable amount that would be due and they use an assumption. And this assumption process was not used to the full extent of its capability. So as a result, you have a suit, a lawsuit filed that says discrimination, discrimination, because number one, there was a timing priority, that's fine. But when you don't have any money to go into the non priority group, this is what caused the litigation to happen. And I feel again, it can be resolved when Congress passes the $60 billion, all of the people who are in the queue and ready to be given money under the non priority group will receive their funds as well for planning. And Mark, our message to our members is right now the National Restaurant Association's Restaurant Act initiative is something that we really need support. And so if there's any viewers out there, email me at info at whaterestrat.org if they'd like to put their name in the hat and tell our national delegation that we really need that additional fund. It's something that we all need to get behind because I feel that we get a louder voice when there's more voices. Absolutely. And I think the process really deals with what occupies Congress's time, Cheryl. Frankly, this RF, when it was launched, I was working inside the pods at that time, one of the 10 pods that served the nation. And we're working uncharacteristically government hours, such as 20 hour days. My staff doesn't work those hours, they can't, they don't, they can't because of their restrictions. But I will tell you that this has been like watching a storm go across the Pacific from the Mexican coast to our local waters. We've been able to track this for quite some time. In my opinion, my opinion, I hope that Congress will learn from this that we plan ahead, not plan from the rear. And I mean, it's pretty straightforward. I know that Congressman Case, in my view of his comments, he's one of 526 people. And in some of the delegations that we have where states were not locked down, Florida comes to mind, Texas to a lesser degree, the upper plain states, they don't see that sense of urgency because their restaurants were not precluded from being operable. And so part of this is you know, running the risk of partisanship. Well, the blue states locked down and the red states didn't. I'm hoping that doesn't come into that kind of dialogue. I do know in the article I referenced with this one, some of those dialogues are mentioned in terms of the congressional feedback that other states have provided to their delegations as well. I think one thing for sure, all of the restaurants are united across the United States. We need help. They're not blue or red in their nature. They want their union. They want their constituents and brethren and brothers and sisters, if you will, in the business to be given the help they need, because this pandemic was not of their making, nor was the government policy of their making. Now I'm speaking as a as a business planner, owner, and a good old Marine. Very nice. That's it, strategy. I love it. And one of the earlier conversations that we did have with Senator Hirono was, you know, when the funds were distributed, wouldn't it have been nice if they took the demographics of the population of restaurants in each state and divided it equally according to the demographics of restaurants so that each of the states could have a fair piece of the pie, right? Instead of the whole amount of money is being put in a big pot, and now everybody's going for that pot. If we just had our little piece of the pie and we could have then all asked for just a bite. Yes, that's very true. And I think that the resources to do that, the actual data to do that is available and has been quite some time. And so quite well taken. Yes, yes. There's been so many discussions around how well the SBA has launched this program, how well the positive feedback that I got after that first day, I was with you down at the Blaisdell Center, and people were already in the portal uploading all of their documents, how well the SBA. So I want to just say a huge mahalo and congratulations to the SBA for really a great execution of a very difficult initiative. Thank you for that. And frankly, to give credit to, because we have had several initiatives there, the Idle Program being a former banker, as I often say, a recovering banker, because that was part of my career. I've had four careers in my life, including my government service. So looking at that career is very important to match resources with the need of what you're attempting to accomplish. Jerry Herata, a name that of course has gone from our scene because he passed away in a team, he had the best mantra, he said, adapt, improvise, and overcome. And our staff, Mary Dale, Val Cabota, Cynthia Yamasaki, our AO, Joyce Quinn, who's been with the agency for 35 years and has served seven presidents in her career. It is just amazing how the team has pulled together because we empowered them to serve. And it's that kind of continuity that I'm very proud of in our local staff. Most people don't know. We normally have a staff of 11 people. We only have seven right now. And so you took at the structure. And then one of our colleagues in Guam just came down with COVID-19. So basically we're operating at 50% of capacity, but the will, the strength, the heart is there. And we thank you for your comments because it is definitely one that we do compassion. Oh gosh, a lot of persistence, that's for sure. And a little bit of patience thrown in. That's the cherry on top of the sundae if you want to know the truth. Very nice. And I also know a lot of the other programs that the SBA is providing are local not only restaurateurs but businesses in general. So maybe you want to cover some of those programs to let you know of all the other resources that the SBA has. No problem with doing that. I think the additional economic advantage and I'll make sure I quote them directly. I don't have a teleprompter so you'll have to forgive me a little bit here looking down. But the additional economic relief is available. We still administer programs such as the Economic Entry Disaster Loan. That is one that actually is a 30-year loan. It is a 3.75% interest rate. If you were to go to the local banks here, you would find your probably 250 basis points or approximately 2.5% lower than a conventional loan that you would get from your local banking community. In addition to that, based upon again low-income location based upon the IRS deal met, you have targeted advances that came with the idle program up front. It was a grant and it was at $10,000 and then over a period of two months it was said oh we can only do $1,000 per employee. Well now it was reversed and it's coming back to those who only got maybe one or $2,000 as a small business for two employees. For example, the $8,000 difference is being funded as well. Not a big number compared to restaurant revitalization for sure. And then what we're looking at is how we can look what we do with the loans that were capped originally at $150,000 for the Economic Entry Disaster Loan. We're seeing those now being increased based upon merit to $500,000 and that's been a help for a lot of our local businesses who don't mind getting a loan just so it's the low interest cost. And they think with the return of healthier times, with today for example, inner island travel no longer being restricted for purposes of COVID-19. We look forward to still providing those programs as well. I also will announce on this broadcast that tomorrow we will have my former position deputy district director being filled by a person that is known to the local community. I can't she's embargoed until tomorrow morning but I will share that with you Cheryl tomorrow and she is a known entity. She's coming to us. She's returning home. A little bit of a tease. She worked on the big island before. A known name to a number of constituents. So I'm glad that now I have one position filled and I don't have to worry about the long hours. She'll share them with me. But we're very pleased that this individual, I had four very competitive positions. One from within our office, for example, one from the embassy in Beijing, a very well pronounced commercial services officer. One from the U.S. post office in Washington D.C. who wanted to come back home after being many years on the mainland. And then one of course, who came from we'll call it Northern California. Okay, San Francisco area. But I've been very blessed. We'll have that announcement tomorrow. And that'll help us even better off of the programs and services that we've been short staffed to provide since the first of the year. What do you, Cheryl? Yes, and especially during this time as businesses, restaurants included, you know, are trying to now reevaluate all of their business structures and what they are offering. So this is a great time to reach out to the SBA because of all the resources that they have. They're a partner in our community. And so this is a great opportunity for businesses to take some advantage and look at the SBA for resources and support. Would you like one more piece of breaking news or would Siobhan like to ask a question? No, no breaking news. I can ask the question after. We are going to be empowered. I'm putting together a very extensive document for those not only just in Hawaii, but we serve, you know, 20 different communities in the western Pacific. We're looking forward starting in September 30th of the end of the fiscal year to broaden our staff to have all the positions filled. Number one, number two, we're going to be more aggressive and doing outreach in the neighbor islands because I tease my California colleagues. I said I can't drive from here to Kahalui, but I know you can drive from San Diego up interstate five to LA, but I can't. Everything I do has to have funds for air travel. So we're looking forward to really broadening again. We call it operation footprint. Now that's part of my Marine Corps heritage. So forgive me for that, but operation footprint is going to do a renaissance in the district and how we meet and serve people. And we're going to be out in a month. So that means the Hawaii Restaurant Association, get ready to have a few more, maybe Paul Haunas here and there that will be sort of welcoming back normalcy for our small business community as we go into the fall. We look forward to that, Mark. That is, that's awesome. And as I mentioned earlier, the support that the SBA has given during this very challenging time has been above and beyond. You know, you and I are down there at the blaze of 5 a.m. in the morning, you know, just trying to get the information out, just like today's podcast, you know, we're talking about how the SBA can help not only restaurants, but small businesses. Well, I tell you one thing for sure. There may be a question and you know it better than most of the Hawaii Restaurant Association. There may be a question from my leadership, Bob Blaney, who is the regional administrator for all of Region 9 that covers Hawaii, Nevada, Arizona and California. And then our national leadership, they may want to do a road test, if you will. How has Spain been doing in the local community? So all I'm going to do is just say, talk to Cheryl. And at this point, I'm going to do the same with a couple of others who've really helped us from the neighbor islands as well. But we want to be more robust here in the islands. And I'm looking forward to creating a team based upon the current staff that I have that will even be much more, shall we say, capable so that when I transition from the leadership role here in the district, some years in the future, I won't say how long. But if I do, I want to make sure that I have a very capable team so that when I leave the district, when I do, that the team is already better than when I first walked in. And that's how I want to continuously improve our performance. And thank you for your confidence in our efforts. Back to you, Cheryl. And you have left huge shoes, footprints to fill. You know, huge because of all that you've done, Mark, for our restaurants and our small businesses.  But yet, COVID left a huge hole in their financials. You know, all of 2020, there was no revenue. So there's still digging out of that huge hole. So if anyone can support the restaurant industry, they have a graduation gift they have to buy, consider a restaurant gift card, Father's Day, consider a restaurant gift card, a birthday, you know, any support to a restaurant supports not only the restaurant themselves, but the whole food chain. It supports the farmers, the fisheries, all the suppliers through that restaurant. So we want to continue if this, you know, our viewers could support the restaurants. It supports a whole industry in our community. Yes. So I'm getting messages here that we only have a few more minutes. And as always, it's a pleasure. It's a pleasure to have you on and thank you so much, sir, for all your dedication and time and energy that you've taken the restaurants through this. Well, I thank you. I thank you for that. Can you just let everyone know where they can apply for these programs that you were mentioning? Yes, the best thing to do, Siobhan, is to have them a go to sba.gov. And then there's COVID-19 related. And what will happen is they'll be directed to landing pages, whether it's the idle program or the idle advance or the targeted advance, or even the RRF, assuming that maybe there is a possibility of it being reopened. I don't want to give false hope that it will. But I feel personally that the sba.gov, now going beyond that, if they want to reach out to me, they can do so. You have my email address. Feel free to share with your membership. And only share how do I give my phone number to but I'll be honest with you. If you want to publish the phone, I do carry it. It's right here, okay,<PHONE_NUMBER>. And yes, I do office hours past Monday through Friday, nine to five. Very nice. Thank you, Mark. Thank you. Then I go to Roy Yamaguchi's restaurant to celebrate that for a good birthday. Thank you so much. And as I mentioned, any of the viewers, if they'd like to contact me, it's info at hawaiirestaurant.org. We are the Hawaii Restaurant Association. And again, our partner, the Small Business Administration, and Mark Spain. Thank you so much, Mark. The hollow new law.


We're still back here with plus politics and we have Elder Sisman speaking with us tonight on The state of the nation looking at the current administration and the fact that both have been set ruling of course Chief Olabo de George is right here with me. Once again, thank you so much for granting us your time.  No No, you know our party we had a problem When they found them fathers established this party They were established on certain tenets of civility they established the party so that The concepts the misfortune the problems That affected the first republic And I will explain to you in the first republic in the north Majority had their way and they are safe And the minorities were mayor on lucas in the south Majorities had their way and they are safe And the minorities were on lucas that created the friction You know in any organization If it's only one group that will always be ruling in managing with this And there are others who will only be just members. Can there be peace? Can there be peace? No so In haven't gone through I don't want to go into the historical, you know, whatever experiences we had From the first school in 1966 in january and then the counter coup And all the whatever went on in the southeast until we went to civil war and we finished the civil war and That is all history But what have we learned about it Now we went from the parliamentary system Into the american system But the american system we are running Is like we copied their constitution and half copied it That same problem of majority having their way Minority haven't no say continued Because he continued By the time in 1998 When general abu salami was now handing over 14 of our elders Right across the length and breadth of this country came together And said look This perennial problem Of majority versus minority The instability that it had created the friction How are we ever going to solve it? From the southwest we had Papa Bolaige In the east Alex Equeme Dr. Alex Equeme Two of them normally Cannot sit in the same room discussing politics. They belong to different groups Including papa Jimu Buru With Alex Equeme or even Bolaige Politically Papa Salomonla and Rimi and professor Aminu and Papa Laji Shiroma and all the They came together Because They believed that this nation should move forward And in trying to move forward, what did they do? They created you can check the national constitution These issue of zones They're not listed there No, but but but but i'm more concerned about the fact that if you say that for instance We know that you're a live board member and did you support atiku? Did you vote for him? You see if you don't jump straight into an answer If you don't have The the reasons for that I just didn't wake up on the wrong side of my bed And decided I wasn't going to support atiku. I didn't hide it from him He started from meeting but I wanted For you know people to understand So that we don't it's a terrible pitfall We should avoid those pitfalls of the past I am explaining the reason why that happened I just didn't jump up from like I said on the wrong side of my bed. I wasn't going to support atiku No How did we establish the people's democratic party? There were certain tenants there were certain issues that led to that union To that establishment before then there was no single political party in this country That is national in his outlook So this g14 old man came together And decided I look Let's cut this country into six geopolitical zones Not west not east not central South west south south south And then came up with six top positions in the land The president the vice president The senior president the speaker Secretary to government and national chairman of the party That each zone Will go home with one of these positions Hasn't that erased this concept of majority versus minority? That at least you go home with something To tell your people you have that sense of belonging Because that had been a major major setback Now we went We operated on that and the way they said it was that If the president number one position goes north The number two position will go south The number three position will go north Number four position will go south Number five position will go north Number six position will go south You see So all the odd numbers Will be in the same zone While the even numbers will be in the same zone After eight years All those positions that have been in One zone will move to the other zone And the other zone to move It was it was it was not novel because that is what is done In switzerland, you know in switzerland there are three major tribes The italians in lugano The germans in zuri And the french in geneva All the two world wars switzerland is in the heart of europe Because they rotate the leadership There had never been any Untoward activities in switzerland They had wars all the countries were involved with first world war second world war not a single one hit switzerland Which meant that they have respected all the three major tribes Turn by turn You head So we adopted that here And that was what helped our party to be in government for 16 years Now When it now came to this election We sat back People started maneuvering Trying to manufacture stories And playing games to to satisfy their ambition And you know what he led us When they finished the distribution I said ah I didn't hide it got up I am From the southwest I said now with all these six positions you people have repackaged Where is it? Where are we southwest How would I be bold enough to to to climb onto a roast room? And say I am presenting our national I mean our presidential candidate You must vote for him What would the people ask me are you drunk? What is it our position? Well, was it just what just as a consent for the southwest? Of course he was no he was for the southwest He worked look the vice presidential candidate came from south south All right What's his name the governor of delta? presidential candidate not west not east national chairman north central director general of the national campaign not west The The acting board of trustee chairman came from the southeast So what do you want to give us? You know what they told us? They said we should wait How you said he has four years Then we asked atiku what is going on. He said after election I said to them it's not a it's not a hidden thing I said, ah, we should go and tell the people after election We'll know what we are bringing home for them. Does that make a political sense? That was where the division started And hey unless you are there for your own pocket We are there to serve the people And I I didn't hide my feelings I said the publicly that look If we had Meetings with individuals. I don't want to mention their names publicly now That look the there is a lacuna here. There is a problem Let's resolve this problem so we can go home and campaign for our people when he failed They failed to listen. They told me yes, we will revisit it. We will do something Since they didn't do it. That was when I came I came out publicly That look if this continued to the election time, I will not vote So did you vote did you vote for him? I didn't vote. I didn't hide it I did not vote for him. What did you vote for? That's my personal decision But I didn't hide it I told everybody who cared to listen that I told him too that I would not vote for him A lot of mysteries and things. I said no It is not me Do something for our people It's not why I am an individual So it brings me back to you know the next question which you also have been quoted to say you're open to contributing to this administration Paraventure of the president Bola Tinobu reaches out to you. I would like to ask what please please I never said that Contribute to their party or their government I wish them the best if the courts decide that Bola Tinobu is the president of Nigeria For me as a Christian I will pray for this nation That god will guide us as we are heading into this uncharted waters The last eight years of the apc administration You have just seen They are unfolding now And we are hearing stories yet to be confirmed First governor of central bank All the allegations His style of managing the central bank All our resources financial resources The fiscal and monetary policies of that period The insecurity in the land the the the the the the the Unemployment percentage of the unemployed people Now petrol price just went Pya through the roof You see legos you live in legos Where is the traffic now?  Even the keke marua now has gone through the roof So this impact on the people of this country Must be a concern to every nigerian And all you can say okay You said yeah the administration they've started to take certain measures and all that we pray for them That god will guide them To manage the resources of this country for the people of this country and not to their family Members their friends and some hand-picked people We need this nation to grow I grew up here I went to school here And with my my espuja in the navy I have been to so many other countries in the world My major concern as I was growing up as a naval officer Those days we will go to any country in west africa The giant of africa For every 10 africans Seven six seven are nigerians Take any profession Non-profession in any part of the world today One of them Will be a nigerian So what is the problem here? Why are we Retrogressing Why can't we put all the resources because I have also traversed The length and breadth of this country There is no part of nigeria that the almighty god has not graced With one resource or the other Why are we not managing them for the benefit of the people? And and and when you sit down and you look at it and and You know it takes a lot of guts Maybe I should tell you my background My great-granduncle Was habat makali The first nigerian politician in this country We are following his footsteps Justice fairness equity to everything you do and then Telling truth to power Let's let's you I feel like we could probably just you know spend the whole time But then there are too many issues to talk about Being that we're looking at the state of the nation now You have mentioned part of it the issue of the cbn governor's suspension godwin emefili But just recently so I'd like to show your thoughts on that We know that there's been a recent suspension of the cbn governor the efcc chairman as well. Do you think? Especially when you juxtapose that with the fight against corruption of the previous government How does this make you feel and do you think that this government might probably continue, you know on the The fight against corruption of the previous government, you know It's too early in the day We we well It's still too early in the day.  That's just about two weeks. So but fine Everybody the world now is different from the past You know We we instant information instant dissemination of things that you may not even realize is going worldwide Is a global village now so? prayers prayers for them Not To say Well, I don't care. It doesn't concern me Because everybody Will evolve once it collapses Some people are saying that This might just be an indication to Maybe a serious fight against corruption. I mean look at all that's playing out I know that you say that is too early in the day It is too early in the day. Are you are you surprised at this? uh What should have been the outcome especially if you look at The cbn governor some people say that the way he's managed the economy The rushid power don't you know, I beg your pardon. We we want you know It's a pandora box They just cracked it open Let's take a time I I don't jump into conclusions Who do money shows the day Good That they have the nerves the gods To say we want to investigate this remember to When jenna boy was there We heard stories That the accountant general of the federation Took some humongous amount of money from the system All the hula baloo all the noise we had But what has happened to it? We don't know what has happened to the case There was another gentleman in charge of Pension fund Oh, huh? Who hey who hey? What has happened to it? Let us wait If they are serious it is just the beginning good step Good step But nigerians are eager To know the full stretch of the story And those who are culpable Must not disappear like a distressed submarine They must be brought to book And that is when people who know That for every action Positive or negative you take There will be an also an opposite and equal reaction positive or negative no free lunch No over cover of anybody Nobody should be treated that like as if is above the law This nation has a depth portfolio That I I feel sorry for your generations that are coming Who are the people who pay? The money Was borrowed What did we do with it? Did you did we invest it in the human? Resource capital development Did we put it on infrastructure? Did we put it on business development? What has been the economic impact of all this borrowing? What happened? They need to tell us And that is what you call accountability Now I think that we probably would just cost us with this point that you have raised Your party the PDP has been You know criticized by a lot of persons saying they haven't performed optimally as to if you look at The you know the role of an opposition in the country And so again Would there be anything to look forward to you know in this current dispensation? You know like I told you Somehow and it happens in any organization Because there's no perpetuity in anything you do in life There were certain mistakes that our party made We must be bold enough to say it and tell it the way it is He made certain mistakes And the air is human It is human. Is there any human being who doesn't make a mistake? I mean I'm asking since the world was created Nobody but when It becomes a mistake When you do an assessment And you find out that look this is a mistake You learn from that mistake And prevent an occurrence a real occurrence of that same mistake If you leave it that yes, it's a mistake And you didn't do a thing to make sure you correct it or learn from it. It becomes perpetually a mistake So as we as we go along We will tell ourselves some home truth The founding fathers Established certain tenants For justice fairness and equity in our polity And when we saw that we deviated We saw the effect And I am looking forward After the courts Would have finished their session. That would be the end of The electoral process Then we can go back Within the four walls of our party And do a serious post-mortem analysis Where did we go wrong? We don't you see we don't need to lie to ourselves You don't need to pontificate And be and be telling people is okay. You know, it is right We went bomb on the deck But don't you think that's a lot of time for for a party? Long of time? No No, what's saying because You see you let's finish I can rush the judiciary But can the party itself? I mean I would like to ask I know we're out of time Does the party not have internal mechanisms that can solve these issues? But what do you okay? We are saying we made a mistake Others are saying no, it's not a mistake. We are still in court. We may win We may win in court. So what happens? Let's listen. Let's complete the process. You don't do a post-mortem on a human being that is not dead You understand what I'm saying until you get to the coda end of the of the matter Then you can do a post-mortem analysis What happened? Where did we go wrong? Why did we take this decision? What impact did they have? What this what that? And then you can now prepare yourself for the future and I can bet you Because this is the first political party in Nigeria That has all the colors of this country from the swampy forest To the savannah regions in the north. I have traversed the length and breadth. There is no part of this country You will not find a pdp Not like a contraption called apc It's a congregation of strange bedfellows. I said it and I won't stop saying it But for god's sake Give us time. It's you know, we I know Nigerians are very impatient If you have a problem you jump into it you will miss certain parts of it Where the process is not over. So what do you want to do now? Start throwing tantrums. No, let's finish there In the court. We are presenting a good case We may win in court We may still win If we win then the discussion will be a different ball game And I'll tell you one thing The apc copied our our our procedure Of managing the party. I remember when they came together apc. He said we don't believe in zoning So what did they end up doing? President Buhari north Oshibaju south Senate president north What's the speaker south Okay Then what happened to the chairman of their party and there was enough to show molly I mean You see that that's how they distributed Right now Right now The way they had done it Is very different from ours. It's not my party But when you copy something copy it properly Out of the six top positions now Out of the six top positions Each one going to each zone For purposes or inclusivity And that national drive in you That commitment That loyalty That dedication To the principles of oneness in this country That's why they created six zones six top positions You see the way they had done their own now Is very different. We went through the route And we suffered for it right now president And this and this senate senate leader Senate president are from the south All the other four positions are from the north These are facts these are That Issues these are issues that we must As a solid opposition You know, we can disagree without being disagreeable The this is the job of opposition The way you have now done it The south east is having Deputy speaker He's not part of the six top positions Is he fear As a nation I'm sure that this conversation can never end. We will continue. Thank you so much chief for making out time To speak with us. We really do appreciate and we look forward to speaking with you As we proceed in 2023 and beyond Thank you very much. I must tell you that The the the my job now Because very soon i'm also going to pull out of partisan politics But I would remain Like my great-granduncle was A philanthropist An old man who will mentor younger generations Tell the history the way it was without patching up Tell the truth to power And everything that anybody does that is positive we will clap Anything anybody does that doesn't make any economic Social or cultural sense We will say no You have failed here I owe that to this country because this country built me up Thank you. Thank you so much. Right and that's it on plus politics tonight. Thank you so much We have been speaking with an elder statesman chief or lapidae george We will return tomorrow with more insight in an interesting conversation. My name is messi ebook


Bonjour, welcome. Bienvenue à la vie de Paquette. I'm very happy that you're all here today. So thanks very much for coming. Je ne parle pas beaucoup de français, so most of the talk will be in English. I hope you weren't tricked by the title for those English speakers. I'm sure that that's reassuring. So welcome. So I kind of have an ambitious amount of material, so I think I'll just try to run through it and then we can do questions and answers at the end. So we'll start just with an introduction more to set the groundwork on network virtualization overlays. Then I'll talk about MidoNet as an example of a distributed architecture and some of the benefits that we have with using a distributed architecture. Then we'll go into la vie de Paquette. So the life of Paquette as it goes through an open stack and MidoNet environment. Next we'll do sous de la couple. Just a little under the hood, a little more nitty gritty, a little more deep dive into what's happening on the underlay and on the host level. Then I'll do a few use cases just to talk about some of the advantages that we do get when we have a distributed architecture and some of the differentiators we have compared to some other solutions and alternative architectures. And finally I'll talk about distributed software and we'll get to that when we get there. So network virtualization overlays. I thought I would start a little bit further back. Personally my background is more on the hardware networking side. So those infrastructure kind of familiar with this type of architecture, a three tier architecture sort of designed to aggregate, push packets along. It was architected at a time where we didn't have as many virtualization or virtualized workloads that is. So as network design kind of modified and adapted to the network, the virtualized workloads, we kind of did ad hoc things to start of adapt to the needs of virtualization. So we started making large layer two broadcast domains and sacrificed some of the stability there, dealt with reconvergence and spanning tree, started developing hardware protocols like OpenFlow that have a longer life cycle to get implemented and implemented in hardware and agreed upon from a standards perspective. Then of course we kind of forced particular network architectures depending on the type of functions we needed like load balancers, firewalls of course and wanting them to be deployed in an HA manner, deploying them in pairs. Of course this forces traffic trombones in the network and so with all these functions we still need to implement let's say layer two switching and routing, load balancing, firewalls, NATs, these are still functions we require in the network but how can we do that with a new design let's say? We can still leverage the old infrastructure but we can implement these things in a much simpler manner. So this is where we can try to consolidate these functions and try to do it in software. So what we can do is we build a network virtualization overlay and we get much more agile networking so we can build larger clouds, we can build logical topologies and be prepared for a virtualized environment and we can do this in what we call a single virtual network hop so what's cool is we can apply all those network functions that we saw previously implemented through hardware appliances or even virtualized appliances but now we can do it in single virtual hop and implement this through a logical topology. So some examples of overlays one type of architecture is the centralized controller model so what we have here is centralized intelligence so we might have a controller that's making all the routing decisions or other network function decisions and it's all housed at the controller. So as we start getting going we start adding compute power we start spinning up more VMs and we start taxing the controller a little bit more. When we built out the network initially we probably allotted or tried to estimate the type of scale we wanted to build within the processing power at the centralized controller but what happens is you could end up overloading and facing different types of failures in that manner just based on what you may have tried to estimate the network growing to. So some of the advantages with distributed architectures are we can achieve all the network functionality including those routing decisions and other network type functions in a single virtual hop. Other things that are beneficial are no single point of failure whether it be a cluster of control nodes or basically particular appliances within the network. So distributed architectures are specifically made to be built out scaled out for the cloud so the more processing power the more compute nodes you add the more processing power you get. What we also see with network virtualization overlays is we totally simplify the underlay. So this means you can leverage your existing infrastructure and existing routing protocols for example as long as these agents or the intelligence at the edge is reachable over IP connectivity. What we also get with that network virtualization overlay is not just virtualizing network appliances but we actually virtualize a logical network topology. So what that means is we can actually easily manipulate, create, delete and build these networks as clouds demand as our tenants demand as our users demand and everything's ready to go. So we get that rapid creation and modification of a virtual network. So part of the beauty of that edge intelligence is we can add functionality and push it to the edge and easily implement without the reliance on hardware or networking or specific hardware protocols that would be required for our change with SDN. Alright, so let's be agile at the edge let's take the plunge, let's decouple ourselves from the physical network. So MidoNet is a product that's created by Mido Kura of which I'm a systems engineer and is an example of a distributed architecture. So the MidoNet is a network virtualization overlay and it's a product that implements layer two logical switching, layer three routing, NAT, stateful and stateless NAT that is, distributed firewalls, logical layer for load balancing. We implement that with VXLAN or GRE tunneling as our overlay technology and we work with OpenStack Neutrons API so we're basically a neutron plugin and we've been involved with OpenStack since the B release and from day one we've implemented a distributed architecture. So high availability, built ready to scale out for clouds and OpenStack. So looking more at our distributed architecture this diagram depicts the components of our architecture. So as you can see here the region resides on each of the hosts and it's interfacing with the kernel and VMs that are spun up. As you can see in the center all that's required on the underlay is layer three connectivity so you can use your existing layer three infrastructure for example and build a stable underlay without large broadcast domains and do all the networking at the edge. Here we also see network state database so it's just a passive database of where we store the logical topologies for each of the tenants with an OpenStack so the cloud orchestrator could represent something like OpenStack to interact and create and modify networks. Below we have our BGB gateway so this is just our gateway in and out of the network so this can be anything from layer three gateway using BGP to scale out which we'll get into more in our use case scenarios or layer three static routing or layer two gateway. So these are just ways to terminate the VXLAN tunneling or GRE tunneling and get in and out of the network. So let's talk about the la vida and packet in an OpenStack and MidoNet environment. So first we'll just do a light stroll just to get the landscape and understand the MidoNet environment so you can see how packet traverses using this network virtualization overlay technology. So as we know cloud computing can be complicated as we mentioned we were trying to do a lot of things on the underlay network to account for virtualized workloads and building clouds on top of. So building this OpenStack and MidoNet environments as you can see here we can on the left-hand side we just store basically our logical topologies in our network state database on the upper right-hand side we're representing our gateway nodes so these could be the BGP gateway nodes on which the MidoNet agent resides and since we tried to minimize the requirements of the underlay so just being as agnostic as possible for the hardware basically the gateway nodes are our agent residing on x86 boxes and then we can install our MidoNet agent on all of the servers below and all that's required between everything is IP connectivity so it makes it pretty simple for your requirements on your underlay so now as a tenant let's build a virtual network so MidoNet provides this functionality called a provider router so basically from an operator's perspective or a tenant's perspective it's access to the external network for let's say any of the tenant's networks on which you can basically configure up links so this is automatically created once you create an external network within OpenStack and then each tenant can build its own tenant router as you guys are probably familiar with we're doing the tenant isolation so each tenant can build its own router define its own network and assign particular subnets each tenant obviously has its choice to implement security groups so we do that all in a distributed fashion so they can define those security group rules and also NAT as well so once those are created we can spin up two VMs on the network so here they get their .2 and .3 address so as I mentioned earlier the network state database is basically just a passive database storing all of the logical topologies so everything that we may have built through OpenStack would be stored in some entity form in this passive database so let's make these VMs talk to each other let's pass some packets so what happens on the first inbound or outbound packet this VM basically sends its packet to the kernel and that MitoNet agent basically intercepts the packet since it's not known if it's the very first packet and it's not cached locally the MitoNet agent will query that network state database to find out the logical topology so it does a query according to that VM so it might be a particular tenant so we'll find out all the information relevant for that tenant's topology network and where it's going to let's say it's the egress destination VM so once it pulls that information down the local agent does all of the routing decisions or any type of packet manipulation that needs to happen so we call this basically the packet simulation of that VM as if it's traversing the tenant network until it reaches that destination VM so that packet hasn't even left the host and it's pretended to be simulating through this kind of logical network and the packet's manipulated and basically the kernel will be programmed to have that flow entry and then we can build a GRE or a VX LAN tunnel to the destination compute host and then send that packet along the way so the destination host will deliver it to the destination VM so that pull down of the logical topology only happens on the first packets after that that logical topology is completely stored locally and cached and once the flow entry is programmed in the kernel the remaining packets can fly at nearer line rate to the destination VM so a similar process would happen if these packets were bound for the external network except we would be creating GRE or VX LAN tunnels to the external or excuse me the MidoNet gateway nodes and since the agent resides on those nodes as well any incoming traffic would be treated the same way so part of the beauty of that is implementing like security group firewalls for example, we can drop traffic as soon as it comes in and protect the underlying network so let's go Sulu Keppo under the hood a little bit and then we'll have some of the nitty-gritty so in general what's happening in this network is on demand state propagation so whenever a change is made a tenant makes a change to their network let's say through horizon these changes are passed on to the network state database which actually is just zookeeper under the hood and the agents and zookeeper are in a relationship with a public subscribe model so whenever a change is implemented that change gets pushed down to the agents that care about the change so we're leveraging zookeeper and just using remote procedure call over TCP and relaying that information to the local agents sorry so what happens when the VM sends this first packet as I mentioned if the information is not locally stored or cached we're going to do that query to the database so what happens is if it's not already configured we're going to get a kernel flow miss so when that happens the kernel is going to send the packet for queuing and processing to user space via netlink so MidoNet is going to receive that netlink message and then further process the packet so then as I mentioned if MidoNet doesn't have it locally stored it will do that query to the network state database to retrieve the logical topology from there once the logical topology is pulled down all the processing was done locally by the MidoNet agent on the host with the virtual layer simulation and then we install the flow into the kernel so whether it be a drop or modify or forward of the packet that will be installed in the kernel at that stage by the MidoNet agent so an example once a packet is sent to the kernel from a VM once we match the tuple to that of the packet header we can basically use the actions within the kernel to decide on what the rules are that would have happened based on that network simulation so with some examples of that flow table entry match that would have corresponding actions would be changing and modifying let's say if two tenants are going between two different subnets through a tenant router for example we would be modifying the MAC address to be that of the routers we would be changing the TTL on the IP header and then we would actually encapsulate the packet with GRE or VXLAN so that would be another action to perform and then of course send it over delivery over an IP Ethernet header to the destination VM indicated in that header so what's key here too is the GRE key or the VXLAN VNI ID is actually the indicator for the destination host on which V port to deliver that packet so once that packet is delivered using this network overlay the destination VM the destination host is aware of the virtual port associated to the destination VM and it's indicated by that GRE key or the VXLAN VNI so talking about some of the benefits of a distributed architecture and some of the differentiators we have that are implemented one is our distributed BGP gateway so some really cool things that we're doing is implementing BGP to ingress and egress the virtualized environment so using basically this well-known protocol obviously allows us to easily insert into existing environments and get off and going with an HA available protocol this is easily implemented with physical boxes today that are all doing standard BGP what's cool is you can basically put out x86 boxes as you need to increase the bandwidth you need out of your network and each one will act as a BGP gateway so basically you can provide your bandwidth on demand and scale out that way and all the links will be active so it's not acting in an active standby pair it's not just active-active limited to two links you can keep scaling out as long as those BGP gateways are available on the underlay through your IP network and just using ECMP we'll pick a gateway to traverse and exit the network that way so all of the uplinks are active and then of course using the standard-based protocols allows us to implement easily into existing environments so what's cool about this also is a lot of hardware vendors struggle to just create a logical chassis for routing and here we are creating a logical provider router to implement these uplinks and an HA solution and a quite easily implemented configuration which I'll show next so here on the left-hand side I'm depicting more of the physical implementation so what you can do is basically you would be installing our agent on each of the nodes have them interconnected with an IP fabric meaning just a layer 3 class underneath keep it simple and then our BGP gateways which you can continue to build out based on the demands of the network so what this translates to in our metonet logical topology is from an operator perspective we're implementing as I mentioned earlier that provider router so with multiple links coming off of these BGP gateways that equates to multiple egress points on this provider router so you can just create these ports and associate them with BGP peers on the upstream and you have that on-demand and egress points so from the tenant's perspective that's just added bonus an HA solution that can scale out and allow the tenants and the operator to provide a service with dynamic routing and an HA scalable solution so as I mentioned it's pretty simple to set up with the provider router so this is an example of our metonet CLI so you can just list the provider list the routers on the network just to obtain the router ID then you simply just add a port this is really similar to hardware networking just add a port with an interface on it a slash 30 here would represent a point to point link that you might want to do and then because we are dealing with the virtualized we have to map from virtualized to the physical network we just create a binding of that specific port that we just made with that IP interface and we bind it to a physical NIC so in this case it would be ETH1 finally just like in hardware networking if you got to turn on the protocol you got to do something to do it so here we add BGP to that specific IP interface we give it a local AS number we indicate the remote AS and the BGP peer that you can get your BGP peering session up and running with an upstream box and then the last line the last configuration is simply just telling BGP which subnet to advertise so in this case it would likely be in an open stack meto net environment it would likely be your floating IP pool so another example of a distributed architecture that's beneficial for a network function is a distributed flow state so our meto nets distributed architecture enables flow states to be processed locally so there's no query to a network state database or a centralized controller for example to keep track of connection tracking for example so the one tricky thing here is the ingress and egress points of a flow may vary so what we do is basically give hints to these interested sets of nodes the ones that are highly likely to be the ingress points or egress points of these types of flows so there's several advantages obviously it's a lower latency since we don't have to do a query or we don't have to force the traffic to a particular controller or anything that's processing connection tracking for example so we get that lower latency as well as pure independence from a centralized transaction like that so no query to the network state database or a service node that might be taken care of that because it's all done locally so how do we do that let's say a new flow is coming in and requires the flow state to be tracked so first we check the local states if it exists on the local box if it doesn't we create it and from there we forward on the the state towards other interested nodes that means other potential ingress nodes or egress nodes for this flow and then we tunnel the traffic and pass on the packet to deliver it to its destination so this flow state would be represented by the flow computation as I mentioned earlier like a packet simulation and tracking and then the tunnel and cobsulation so what's key here is we're using specially defined tunnel keys within the GRE header to propagate that flow state to those other nodes so that's how they find out about the flow state we're basically using a fire and forget state propagation which means we're not waiting for a confirmation for those other interested nodes we just send it the flow state and then we send the packet with no delay so what happens when so the knowledge being spread like that to other interested nodes means that we can account for asymmetrical traffic flows and relay the traffic on without delaying the packet so within MitoNet this is simply done by creating these port groups so we define a port group we simply give it a name and say set the state full parameter to true and then we just add the ports that would be consistent with the potential same interests to this port group so in this example we might add all uplinks from the provider router to one port group because they would likely have these incoming packets from any direction depending on how they got routed from the external network another example might be load balancing for the egress points you might put all the hosts from a pool in the same port group so those are some of the advantages that we can get with this distributed architecture distributed software so what I mean by that is we actually went open source yesterday so we're really excited about it I don't know if you've heard but this means you can go and grab our software and try it out today so we got a new logo if you're familiar this is our MitoNet this is our MitoKura Enterprise MitoNet logo so that was our original logo but now this is the one representing our open source community so we're Apache 2 licensed we consider ourselves the most highly available, reliable and stable since we've been in pretty mature network virtualization overlay being in the works of three years and now this functionality is available for you to try out yourself and see for yourself so there's a lower barrier for you to try out our products and we just launched yesterday so these are our original members of our community so we're grateful for their support and we continue to work with them we're very vendor neutral so we consider ourselves very open compared to some of the alternative solutions so now we're truly defining that by outright stating that we're now open source so we'd love for you to try our product we would love for you to contribute and join the community so you can check out our MitoNet.org website and sign up for yourself download the code yourself get involved in our community on the IRC chats my colleagues and I are going to be there to support you guys so that your learning curve can be much shorter and get you up and running as quickly as possible so we encourage you to get on there and so there's a little legal document to sign and we'll have the support of our team when you're trying it out so that being said just a reminder of our enterprise products as well as now our newly launched open source code available to you we're on Twitter we're actually having a launch party tonight so you're all welcome to come, please come I think we're starting at five, is that right? five o'clock? so five o'clock just across the street here very close so please feel free to come by it's Atlas Zoo we're starting and I thank you for your time today I hope you guys try us out are there any questions? did you want a mic? oh sorry go ahead, yep when you're scaling out your gateway router at the end, how does it do the load balancing? is it like a hash based or is it round robin? yeah, we're doing ECMP basically so it's just round robin from the choice of the ingress point so every scaled up provider is a new BGP peer to the external to the external? to the external so we make that decision on which gateway to use right at the ingress point so it would be right at the virtual machine at the host level so when a VM is initiating a traffic flow before it even leaves its own host it will decide on which gateway to use in a round robin fashion which provider which of those gateway routers just round robin, it will go through all of them okay thanks thank you for your presentation you say that thing getting open source what governance model is for the project who decide on upstream and what is the relationship between enterprise and open source models to start the Mido Kura team will be governing we expect it to flourish and then let the community decide on how it's further governed in the future so just as an initial start we the Mido Kura team will be governing it and the second question so right now we have we're using our stable code base as the released product so it's basically version 1.8 it's the latest version of our code so from there we expect there to be contributions and the Mido Kura Enterprise MidoNet will take its own stream where it's hardened with QA it's going to be fully supported so those are some of the differences between the enterprise version and the MidoNet version the open source MidoNet version thank you yeah yeah when we're doing these overlays are you expecting the OSs to be downgraded on their MTU to handle the increased size of the overlay or are you expecting to do jumbo frames and if you're expecting to use jumbo frames what do you expect all those settings to accumulate to because jumbo frame is not actually a finite number it's actually a variable right so as long as as long as the plumbing in between for the underlay as long as the MTUs match the whole way through and account for that header so the MTU on the actual VMs VNIC should be smaller but as long as the MTU from end to end accounts for the header then you should be fine whether it be a standard Ethernet packet or a jumbo frame okay so do I have to go through my entire corporation change all desktops all database servers down in MTU so they can interoperate with you so for desktops are you talking more about the VDI solution well no but if anybody is going to talk to this environment and if you're having a MTU issue I'm going to have to downgrade my entire corporation so the packets can go in and out without fragmentation or I'm going to have to for this one overlay network all those switches are going to have to be set to an MTU value in a jumbo frame range to be able to handle the overhead so just where the just where the overhead is implemented that's where you would need to increase your MTU so you wouldn't need to do it on your physical network or your physical endpoints you would just be needing it to do it where it ingresses into the virtualized environment to account for the header one more question sorry your example had a you're doing EBGP between the is it just EBG supported or can you do EBGP and what are all the is it like a full feature support for or is it just a subset can you talk about that some more today we're just doing EBGP so you can easily just use a private AS like a reserved AS or something so we're not implementing to the full extent of MPBGP and those types of things but it's more for the sake of advertising routes in a dynamic fashion yeah okay well thanks for your time again hope to see you tonight at our launch party and feel free to stop by our booth as well in the startup area so thanks everyone merci


various types of eating disorders affect so so so many people and not a lot of people know about them or know what to look for and all of that so I am somebody who doesn't have that many videos about eating disorders on my channel and I'm also not that educated about them so I have a very special guest to talk about eating disorders and addiction. What is up everybody? This is Chris from the Rewired Soul where we talk about the problem but focus on the solution and while you're watching this I am in California and I pre-recorded this so I'm assuming that you did what I told you and you followed me on Instagram and you're seeing all of my beautiful California pictures and updates and all of that but yeah anyways my buddy Callie Marie from the channel PsychMinded came over and she's somebody who's struggled with anorexia nervosa in her teenage years and she is a great great great woman she has a mental health channel here on YouTube and like she is amazing and she hustles so hard. She did another video for me not that long ago about managing your stress or anxiety and depression in college so I will link that up in the info card and down down in the description if you want to check that out but please do me a favor her channel is it's growing but she's only at about 200 subscribers right now we're gonna make a deal like I made with you on the last video she did let's make a deal if you like this video or if you learned something in this video one of those two things me and you are making a deal that you have to go subscribe to her channel she has so much amazing content all right deal deal all right here's Callie Marie. Hi Chris hi everybody thank you so much for having me here today I am so excited to be sharing this message with everyone and with the rewired soul audience so thank you so much for tuning in and thank you for having me Chris my name is Callie Marie and I am the host of the YouTube channel psych minded so go ahead and subscribe if you like mental health videos and today I'm going to be talking about something very important and something very close to my heart I was diagnosed with depression and anxiety as well as anorexia nervosa over 15 years ago I have dealt with severe depression and anxiety for my whole life but luckily was able to recover from anorexia around the time I was 17 the depression and anxiety lingered and the eating disorder was kicked to the curb and I am so grateful for that but unfortunately for many of us that struggle with eating disorders the path is not so easy or linear recovering from anorexia for me was an incredible blessing and I learned so much from my experience with my eating disorder and still to this day I am very cautious about falling back into bad habits or anything that would be resembling my behaviors back then but we're going to talk today specifically about why eating disorders are addictions and not only that but why they're the most difficult and most deadly addictions when we think about addictions we most often think about drugs or alcohol and it hasn't been until recently that we've really started to approach food issues and eating disorders in the same way the brain's reward system along with the habit forming compulsions that come with eating disorders are very reminiscent of drug addictions one in a sense becomes addicted to food or addicted to starving themselves there also becomes an addiction to the different behaviors and the rituals that surround eating disorders and we see this very commonly with drug addiction as well there becomes this dance of compulsion and obsession and all consuming ordeal which is totally characteristic of addictions someone with an eating disorder feels like they have absolutely no control over their behavior this is when the compulsions come in where they feel compelled to starve themselves or they are unable to stop eating eating disorders primarily exist to help the person to cope with stress it's a very negative coping mechanism but unfortunately for the person who has an eating disorder it feels like the only way of coping at all this can be very similar to drug addicts they feel like they can't function without the drug or alcoholics who feel like they can't function without the alcohol this is very similar to eating disorders and somebody with bulimia or anorexia or binge eating disorder is going to feel these compulsions and feel like they're unable to stop eating disorders completely consume the person with obsessions throughout their day this interferes with everyday life and the biggest point to make that makes eating disorders stand out so much as addictions and makes them so much more difficult compared to any other addiction is that food is everywhere think about it if you have a heroin addiction or you're addicted to alcohol there are very specific settings where that is found but unfortunately with food it is literally everywhere we look and there's very little escaping it in fact there's no escaping it that's what makes eating disorders so unique is the fact that you can't get away from it you can't cold turkey it you can't just say no i'm not going to do that anymore or whatever the case may be for someone with an eating disorder you have to learn to find balance that's not the case with any other drug it's usually a black and white yes or no kind of thing and unfortunately with food it is everywhere and balance is required we don't need drugs and alcohol to survive but we do need food to survive and that's what makes eating disorders so difficult and what makes me so passionate about sharing my own story with anorexia as well as educating about eating disorders because there really is so much to be gained when we can learn from each other and we can learn about these addictions and disorders and the more we know about it the more compassion we can have towards somebody who's suffering or somebody in our life that we know is struggling just like with drug addiction and alcohol eating disorders are often rooted in very deep-seated trauma or hurt or grief and so it really is important for us to understand as much as we can about the psychological mechanisms of eating disorders and work to help people in the best way we can so i hope you enjoyed this video it's a little bit different but i really wanted to point out what the similarities between drug addictions and eating disorders are and really make that comparison because it really puts into perspective how dangerous and scary eating disorders can become thank you so much for watching thank you so much for having me chris i really appreciate this has been an absolute blast collabing with you and if you enjoyed this video please subscribe to my channel for more content and i will see you guys next time bye all right callie marie thank you so so so much for coming over and talking about various eating disorders and like before she sent me this i didn't even know what it was about i didn't know if she was gonna share her story about it but like dang girl like that that's one of these things like the um there's so many different addictions and the way she was talking about it and as she was talking about like those of you who know me i'm a recovering drug addict and alcoholic and like yeah yeah i totally get that it's the way we train our brain to respond to different stressors and different triggers and the reward pathway so i can totally see that and the way she was talking about how we get addicted to the rituals and all that but like this is something that i often think about like even though it doesn't seem like it i feel fortunate that my addiction was drugs or alcohol drugs and alcohol not or drugs and alcohol because like callie marie said like with food it's it's everywhere and you need food um i worked with a therapist at my treatment center and he would say that part of part of our issue is our relationships right and you hear relationships you think about relationships with you know friends family significant others but like our relationship with things like for example drug addicts and alcoholics our relationship with drugs and alcohol right also our relationships with ourselves with eating disorders it's the relationship with food right either too much or too little so yeah like again if you enjoyed that video if you learned anything please do me a favor go subscribe to callie marie by the time i get back to las vegas i want to see callie marie at 300 subscribers okay can you help me do this all right she has a ton of videos go binge watch her stuff if you miss me because i'm not uploading as 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