Okay, we'll take a look at the order flow today and how Bookmap can display a lot of this information very clearly and objectively for you. First we'll go through the risk disclaimer. Trading futures involves substantial risk of loss, it's not suitable for all investors. Past performance is not indicative of future results. For more information go to bookmap.com. Become a member there, you have the free resources and you can reach out to us at support at Veloxpro.com. So here's bookmap.com, a lot of information here that might answer your questions. The pricing, if you want to give it a try, is $49 per month for the basic and $99 for the advanced. The difference between the two are the one-click trading add-on as well as some of these other add-ons here. They are billed quarterly, so please note that. You get a 14-day trial period with it. So this is a great opportunity to check it out, see if it's something that works for you. If not, then that's fine. You gave it a try and you're here at these webinars asking questions that you have regarding the software and that'll help quite a bit to get you up and running. What we believe is the quickest way to learn the order flow here, and that's using that replay mode, and I can demo that for you a bit later if you guys like. Just let me know. Okay, well, we're going to take a look at the order flow here, but we're going to integrate it with our macro view. So we're going to start off with a bigger picture, then we're going to look at the micro structure, get an understanding of what's going on out there, and then integrate that micro structure within the macro view, and that'll be the order flow. So let's first take a look at our higher time frames. It doesn't matter how you trade. We're going to just outline some higher time frame levels, and then take a look at see what the book looks like at those levels, so we can objectively understand the order flow, and that's going to allow us to pinpoint the entries and exits. Okay, so we'll take a look at the ES. Let's see, I got a 30-minute chart here. Let's make this a little bit bigger, and let's start off with a daily chart. Okay, so you can see that we had this down day here on the 21st, and we've come up and now we're testing into that area, but we do have a level there of interest that we drew in many days ago, around this 55 area, or 50 maybe. So anyway, we know that's going to be an important number. Around 2350, we can clearly see the move down and the acceptance down below here, but we see buyers coming in the last three days here. All right, so buying interest is coming into the market. And here is the price action on the 30-minute. We can see yesterday the big move to the upside during the cash session, and today 9.30 a.m. looks like probably initial move down and then a move back up. We just had oil inventories and spiked up above the overnight swing, so let's draw in that line there. Be interested to see what that looks like. And also, the high of yesterday during the cash session at 2360. And then we can look at the low of the day here, but I like this line I have here at 4950, somewhere around there, so we'll just keep that. And then let's take a look at the book now. Well, let's actually, sorry, we'll take a look at a five-minute chart and see anything else. Everything looks pretty good. I like it. So let's take a look at the book map. Okay, here's our 60 level off the bat up here. Here is our 50 level down here. I'm going to draw those in quickly. And what else? Something interesting around this 52.5 area, and potentially also around this 54.75 area. So just a few lines of interest in trying to gauge what's going on here in book map. The price structure that we're looking at, taking a look here, we can see the initial move down to the downside, and then we see the swing up above. And at this point, you can note that we have traded to a new level above this 52.5. So this is one of the order flow phenomena we can see on a bigger scale here, but we see it again and again. In fact, we're starting to see this price structure again right now. So let me outline this for you. And we want to understand what the order flow looks like within these price structures. So we have a structure down here, and we have another structure here, and we have another structure here. And note the areas when we break these structures, they usually happen pretty quickly and pretty aggressively. And that'll be a sweep of the price book all the way through that area, and then price will start to either accept or reject in this newly discovered area. And so that's the concept here. We can get rid of some of this noise. So we can see here, and I just want to get rid of this line here, although it does look good. Just I want to look at the chart a little bit clearer here. Okay, so what do I mean by this in this price structure? Okay, so you can see the breakout here to the upside. It's a little muddled with this around 930 or 940, the little spike to the upside, and then the move down again. But you're going to see that these areas are going to be your low volume nodes right in through here. Like I said, a little muddled because of this. But and then through this area here, you're going to have your low volume node. Now we just had a lot of volume trade in there, but we can still see, we can look at my data columns here, and we can see that we have a low volume node. So a lot of traders, if price is accepting above this breakout of this area, and we see this pullback into this area, we want to see if traders are engaged to buy here. And we can see indeed they are. You see the liquidity they're starting to provide at this area. We also see a lot of volume that traded down into this area. Okay, the question is now, is this an area where they want to buy and support price? Or do we have the same phenomena that might be occurring on the opposite side here, where microstructurally, perhaps we're going to see the same phenomena right here. We broke down below here, and we see sellers are starting to line up in this area here between 56 and 57. So we're looking at a battle between those two areas right now. And actually that kind of leads into nicely the first question we ask when we show up to this auction. What is the current configuration of the book? So let's take a look at that. So showing up to this auction, we're asking these three questions that understand the current configuration. Where are the majority of the participants? Where are they buying and where are they selling? That's what makes the market, the liquidity that is provided. And then we want to understand how they behave at these areas when price approaches them. Do they really want to buy or do they really want to sell? And then we're going to look at where the transactions are taking place, which is traditionally tape reading. So let's take a look here. So first question pretty nicely answered. You can see that we have sellers here at 56 and three quarters and buyers down here at 54 and three quarters. That is the current configuration. And how are they behaving as price comes up and approaches them? Well, we can answer that question right here at this 56 and a half. Notice how, and let's just zoom in a little bit. Notice how this high liquidity in these areas here, they start to pull when price comes up into this area. Now these guys at 56 and three quarters are now pulling as well. So where are the sellers now? Well, now they're up here at 58. We're starting to notice them come into the book at 58 and above here. Now we're starting to see a phenomenon here. And let's see if we get a continuation of it, but they're starting to lift the offer with the aggressive orders. And notice how the buyers are becoming more aggressive. The sellers, they pulled and the buyers, they're stepping up their bids. They're now at 56. And let me just, just a very quick adjustment to that heat map. And you can see that now I have a little bit more information at the zoom level to give me insight to what's going on here. So we'll see now if these guys, are they going to stay in here? Do they really want to buy? Is this a deal at 56, 56 and a quarter? Well, it looks pretty good. I mean, so far, so good they're staying in here, but we need to see them. Here we go. Here come the buyers. We need to see these buyers lift the offer. Sweep the book back up into some of these areas here. So we're looking for maybe 59 now. We noticed these guys at 58. So we're coming up and starting to, we're just a few ticks away from testing them. So, and this phenomenon here, we see again and again in book map. This order flow phenomenon, this is a flipping of the book. Now, you usually see this on these breakouts, just like I've been describing, when you see, for example, the break from this area here. Okay, and a return back to where we broke from. Okay, your low volume node right here. And we see the buyers starting to step in. Okay, they're starting to become interested. Okay, they were sellers here. Well, it's a little bit higher. It's not really a flip of the book. A lot of time had passed, but this is probably a better example here. They were sellers here on the offer at this 56 and a half. And now they're buyers, just a tick lower at 56 and a quarter. Okay, and now we're getting, we're answering that second question is, is this flip sustainable? How are they behaving here in this auction? And we can see that they're pulling liquidity. Okay, so it's not so, it looked pretty good there for a little while. Right, pretty high liquidity. And then we can answer that second question. Right, when price comes out toward them, you know, what is their intent? Okay, do they really want to be buyers here? Okay, and they're a couple ticks lower now. Okay, so yeah, we need to see, we want to see that intent to trade at these levels. Okay, and we're not quite getting it right now. Okay, so I'm looking for potentially, you know, more sideways action then. Okay, I mean, this has the opportunity here. Okay, we don't know. Right, but if they were, if they wanted to bid up at these higher levels here, and they thought that this was a deal at this price level, then they're going to support it. It's a FIFO market. It's first in, first out. So if they want to get their size on in these areas with their limited orders, they're going to stay in the book. Okay, and that is helpful for us, and we're reading it here in Bookmap, to understand the intent of these guys, but to understand the liquidity at these areas, like, you know, what is their game here? You know, do they think that this is a deal, or are they looking for lower prices? Are they getting aggressive? We can note the difference between aggressive and passive limit orders. Okay, now let's start to weave into this, the transactions as well. All right, so where is this volume trading? Okay, well, pretty nice cluster of volume down in this area here. All right, also in this area here. Okay, now that's indicative of a down trending market, because you can see we made a high here. We did not breach that high, or maybe we did buy a tick or two. Okay, we see, now we can, we broke below this little swing here, and volume accepted. Okay, we made an attempt to come back up and make a high here, but we did not. Okay, we broke down in fact, and more volume traded below at a lower low. Okay, so now we're starting to understand and read that the order flow and the transactions actually is looking for price discovering now to the downside here. Okay, because we can see that the structure here, at least in this area here, has been broken. But it was this area here, we needed to see if those buyers were going to step it up or not. Okay, and they didn't. All right, look like it, look like they were going to, and we were looking for 58 the next level here, but no, didn't get it. Okay, any questions? So, you know, reading these transactions, okay, I mean, I'm seeing it really kind of, it's kind of both sides. I mean, obviously, really nice volume dots in these areas down here, but this isn't so bad up here. You know, volume traded up here around between 56 and 57. So, it's not decisive. But whereas, let's take a look at maybe some of the trending action if we can. Yeah, it's not so clear today either. But you know, we'll notice usually in that trending environment, is areas like this here before 1030. Now, this is before some fundamental news. Okay, so we had the oil inventories, and you can see the market reacted toward that. But in this area here, you know, you see a lack of aggressive volume here. Okay, these little points down here, there's very little volume trading. Right, usually in that trend, is what you see is these areas down here, you see very few transactions and more transactions in the higher highs. Okay, that's like in this area here. Okay, as price continues to extend into higher highs, you see more volume trading at higher highs. And it continues to pull price up. Okay, and that's just reading the tape here. Okay, but we can also read, you know, the intent of these traders. Where do they want to deal? Okay, so let's start the process over again and take a look here. Configuration of the book at 54 and at 58. Okay, four point range. And really nothing happened in the middle here. All right, so let's see was there were some things I wanted to go over, the volume dots maybe. So for those of you, there's been some questions recently about some of the volume dots, the size being too big, especially during the fundamental releases. Well, let's click back to restore. And we'll just, you know, sometimes you'll see a view like this with really big volume dots. And it's, a booknap is correctly displaying that for you because they're all in reference. It's showing the dot size in reference to other areas. So you understand that there was a lot of volume in some of these areas compared to others. But if it's just too much and just bring that dot size down and then you can read this chart a little bit easier here. Okay, now I have it set with the Pi display. You can also look at solid dots here, which will just be a line going right across the center. Or you can look at the gradient. Now this is originally how we had bookmap long ago was the gradient here. So all green was aggressive market buys. All red is aggressive market sells. And something in between that those two colors would be buying and selling. All right, so I do, I really do like the Pi display. I think it's very clear. I can understand the 50% line very, very easily. So I just keep it on that. I'm also using the dot clustering here for smart. You can look at it with time and we'll input every five minutes. Or you can look at volume by volume and we can look at the number of contracts that traded. Let's input 500. Let's input 1500. So now a volume dot, and you see they're all the same size, because they represent 1500 contracts that traded. So it's not by time, it's by the condition of the contracts traded. A lot of traders like that view. And now if there was like 3000 that traded very quickly, then you would actually see a bigger dot. All right, let's bring it back to smart. Now the smart clustering here, what is showing you is basically a combination of time and volume. So within, and it's not time by a specific number like every five minutes, it's based on the amount of activity within a time zone. So the more activity within a time zone, then you'll start to see visually a consolidation of all of that volume within a bigger dot. But all the data is still there, and I can demo that here. We'll click on the hand tool, and let's roll over this big dot right here. And you'll start to note that the clustering, the algo is still working on it, but as I zoom in, I'm breaking apart all of these trades because now they're not consolidated. The time frame here is that we're looking at a second between each vertical dotted line. Now I can continue to zoom in here and continue to break apart all these trades. And you can see exactly we're showing every single event here. Now we're looking at microsecond level. We're looking at billions of seconds here, or I'm sorry, millions of seconds. We can look at nanosecond level as well. But it's unlimited zoom, basically. We continue to zoom in and zoom in and zoom in, and we can see this is one lot that traded right here in this universe of trades. Okay, so as I start to zoom out, though, note how Bookmap will consolidate that and aggregate it visually, and you can see what exactly occurred here. We have majority of it is selling, but there's some buying. Okay, as I continue to zoom out, the same thing occurs again and again, okay? And that in the end constitutes for this big red dot here. Well, it's basically a little more selling than buying right in that area. Okay, let's zoom back in. Okay, so yeah, nothing shaken here. Good time to go over things with you guys. So ask away with any of your questions, anything that you want to set up or look at. There are just so many tools here, so many powerful tools, just the volume alone. We're just looking at the dot clustering, but we can actually filter out trades as well. Obviously, you're not going to lose any data. They will come right back. But this minimum accountable dot size will allow you to filter out a number of trades. So let's input 500 and you can see I have quite a few less dots now. So the way that this works, let's see, let's bring it back to one and I'll describe it here by going over this setting down below here first. Okay, minimum accountable trade size. So this is looking for a specific trade, a specific event that accounted for, let's say 100 contracts. And you can see that there's not a lot of that kind of activity. So block orders like this don't go through very often in the high frequency environment. Obviously, that's a pretty big order. Let's input 50 here. So there's a few more now. So each dot is going to be at least 50 or more contracts for a dot to be presented. So if I zoom in, all of these dots are still going to be here because that event is, we're looking for exactly that one event. Actually, we can see that this actually constituted for quite a few trades here. And you can see how that was consolidated. So I can use this tool and roll over here and we can see this was for volume 135. Okay, one, it looks like one trade. All right, and I can, I'll make another, I'll show you the columns here. I'm going to make another column. I'm going to insert one. And I'm going to change that to a trades counter. So I know exactly what traded here. This is one individual event, one trade for 135 lots. Okay, as I continue out here, here's one for 66 lots. Okay, let's zoom in here. So you can see it's one trade for 66, which is actually really interesting because we have the, I'm getting a little off the subject here. But you can see that this 66 right here, this is our iceberg detector algo. Okay, this is one of the add-ons you get with the advanced version. And what had occurred here was 66 traded when actually there was nothing, it was replenish the offer. And you can see that 66 traded, but the liquidity here is still 42. So how is it possible for 66 to trade, which is even more than 42, but the 42 to still be here? Well, it's an iceberg, it's an iceberg order. It's liquidity that traded that wasn't in the limit order book at that time. So larger players like to use the iceberg or hidden order types.  That's not what I wanted to do. Let's try to find that area again. That was a good little area. Was it here? Maybe, yeah, yeah, okay, perfect. Yeah, Andrew. Okay, I'll go over the API and then some of those automated strategies as well. But so anyway, we're looking at the iceberg detector, detecting all of these using the hidden order type of liquidity that wasn't in the book. It stayed at 42 the entire time, but 341 contracts traded at this point. And 23 events actually took place. So anyway, it's a bit of a demo of the iceberg, but in general, what I'm just trying to show here and demonstrate is we have filtered the trades out looking for 50 contracts or more to go through the time in sales. In fact, the best bid and offer that you see here, this is kind of like a horizontal time in sales. Okay, but it's so much more visual and so much more powerful because we can filter for so many different things. So anyway, that's the minimum accountable trade size. That's what you're showing. Okay, now let's bring that down to one and we're going to look at every single event. Okay, and now we're going to get into the next one, which is the minimum accountable dot size. Okay, or dot volume, I'm sorry. I'll input 500. Now let's go back to 1500. Okay, all right. So now this setting, you can see we filtered out quite a bit. All right, in order for a dot to present here, and the way that this works is the, let me, I'm going to back up again.  It'd just be easier to explain this. Okay, in this high frequency environment, the way that these markets trade is you won't see a lot of those large lot transactions go through. The reason being is that it kind of tips off traders. You can see large trades go through the time in sales. Okay, a way to disguise that in the high frequency environment is to have the algo instead of have one trade go for 100 lots, you will have 100 trades for one lot each, and you see this all the time. Okay, as we zoom in, we can, well, we see that what will happen here is you get these flurries of activities very, very quickly trade here, okay, in milliseconds here.  And they just, they hit the bid very quickly here with all of these sell orders. And it disguises their position in the time in sales. You'll see all these one lots or two lots or smaller size go through very quickly. But the way that you can filter for that with the volume dots here is we can look for, let's put in 1500, all right. And now this is gonna be dependent on your zoom level, okay. If I zoom out, then what we're looking at here is an area where at least 1500 contracts have traded. But if I start to zoom into this level, now that dot disappears, okay. Why is that? It's because we can only show so much volume within one pixel of our screen. So when that condition comes true, that one pixel, one vertical pixel slice, shows at least 1500 contracts traded, then paint a dot, okay. And so obviously I will need, it'll depend on my zoom level therefore. Because as I zoom out, there's more volume being traded within a smaller and smaller areas within the pixel range in the chart. So they consolidate into a dot and a dot will present, okay. And what that allows you to do is then just look at significant volume, okay. Very quickly filter for it, okay. So this isn't a bad setting actually, this 1500 after the oil inventories. Because it's showing us here where this significant volume took place. You see them lift the offer here pretty aggressively. We see another push, okay. This is that indicative of that trending environment, right. We see more volume trading at the higher highs and less at lower lows, but that changes here, right. And we notice that as well, okay. And we're trading down in this area and we've just been going sideways since. Okay, so yeah, I actually kind of like this 1500 for today, okay. It's going to depend on your zoom level and the market condition. But it looks pretty good and then let's use that for reading the auction now, the intent of traders. And what's going on here in the book. Well, they're still up here around 58, 54 though they're starting to pull, okay. No significant volume trading now at the moment. Okay, so, you know, that has to happen. We need that volume to trade. And or, yeah, there could be a lack of volume, but usually what we'll get is those aggressive orders hitting the bid or lifting the offer up into higher liquidity. Okay, they'll sweep the book higher up into those levels. Okay, just like in here or in here. All right, Andrew, I'm sorry. It's a little late. I'll go over the chase and the escape strategies and the API tomorrow. When will they be released? It will be released in the new version is coming out very shortly. I don't have yet a date though, okay. So, it's going to be a pretty significant upgrade though. So, yeah, I'm very looking forward to it. And equities will be offered as well. Okay, so for those of you who trade equities, this is going to be a real boon for you. All right, all right guys. Well, let's call it a day. Not too much to look at in terms of the order flow. So, we'll, you know, continue on those kinds of days. We'll go over more features and functionality and please, ask any questions here. It's really an opportunity for you guys to get more familiar with what Bookmap offers so it can adhere to the way that you trade, which is really the key here because everyone looks at different things. And I won't know what you're looking at or what you need unless I get a little bit of feedback from you. Yeah, thanks Andrew. Yeah, so anyway, I mean, there's just levels, layers and layers of depth here to go through. I mean, the columns alone, you know, we haven't even touched that. But we'll continue to go over these on these, some of these slower days here, all right, and then ask any questions, okay. But yeah, good example of that iceberg, that was nice to see. All right guys, yeah, take care. We will catch up tomorrow and do the same thing. Okay, bye-bye.


y disagree with one of the interventions that Mr Johnson made is that, when we participated in the Smith commission, Linda Fabiani and I, who represented the Scottish National Party, did not go in there and argue for Scottish independence. We accepted unreservedly the result of the referendum and we argued for strengthened powers for the Scottish Parliament within the United Kingdom. The submission that the Scottish National Party made to that process made that point explicitly and accepted the fact that we could not argue for independence through Smith. We had to argue for strengthened devolution and that is precisely what we did. We have, I think, a reasonable expectation that what comes out of that process is a strengthened form of devolution and one that will be implemented. I accepted in the National Museum of Scotland that Smith represented a strengthened and greater degree of powers for the Scottish Parliament. It clearly did not reach my expectations and I think that Drew Smith made that point very fairly in his contribution to the debate into the bargain. One of the key issues of the debate today has been whether the Scotland Bill is delivered on Smith or has it not. That may come down to the kind of stuff that Annabelle Goldie thinks is angels dancing on the head of a pin, but I really do think that it is important. Just about five hours ago, four and a half hours ago, the Prime Minister said to my colleague Angus Robertson, the member of Parliament for money, leader of the SNP group in the House of Commons, that he gave me a list of the things that were promised and not delivered, then we can have a very reasonable conversation. Until then, it is all bluster from the SNP. He gave me a list of the things that were promised and not delivered, then we can have a very reasonable conversation. We have heard today in Parliament a whole host of things that have not been delivered and the devolution further powers committee of this Parliament unanimously has sent several letters to the Secretary of State for Scotland, not least of which the letter that was sent by the committee on 14 September that set out a range of things that were promised and not delivered to fulfil the Prime Minister's request. Members could quite fairly then say, what have we, as the Scottish Government, been doing about that? After the publication of the Smith report in November, we offered jointly to author the clauses that would be published by the UK Government in January. The First Minister wrote to the Prime Minister on 14 November to do that, and that was not accepted. After the publication of the Smith clauses in January 2015, we offered, we published, the alterations to those clauses that would turn Smith into reality and the UK Government did not accept them. When the bill was published after the United Kingdom election, we set out on 8 June draft amendments that were published of what would make the bill into Smith. Not us trying to build beyond Smith, but us simply saying, if we make these changes, this will be what we think to be Smith. The Secretary of State for Scotland, on 8 June, on the Good Morning Scotland programme, said this. I am absolutely clear that the Scotland bill does fulfil in full the recommendations of the Smith commission and I am happy to have, as it has been described, my feet to the fire. On 8 June, the Secretary of State said that the published bill does the business, does it in full. On 15 July, in response to my colleague the Member of Parliament for Llanlithgow and Falkirk East, Martin Day, the Secretary of State for Scotland said that it is my intention to make substantive amendments in the House of Commons when the bill comes back on report. The Secretary of State, by his answer to Mr Martin Day on 15 July, clearly is accepting that what he said on Good Morning Scotland on 8 June was rubbish. So why did the Prime Minister say what he said to Angus Robertson at 12.15 this afternoon? Because that, if anything, is what can be described as bluster in the House of Commons, as a consequence of the Prime Minister's statement. I would love to hear what the ministers had to say over the last few minutes. Could he tell me quite clearly if what he is trying to do today is set out a negotiating position or is he trying to close that position down? I think that my negotiating position has been pretty well publicised. I have just said to the Parliament that what we published on 8 June was essentially the clauses that we thought would turn Smith into legislation to our satisfaction. That was a complete and utter revelation of my negotiating position. Nothing left in the cupboard to disclose was it. I would have thought that a UK Government interested in all the inter-governmental work that Mr Scott, quite understandably, always lectured me about the importance of inter-governmental work being done properly and fully. That would have said it all and we could have just settled on that. To address some of the other issues that have been raised in the debate and the fiscal framework, Mr Scott talked about how he could not conceive of the Scottish Government voting down additional powers because of the context of the fiscal framework. What I would say to Mr Scott is that Parliament has to understand the Government's position, that we see the fiscal framework and the bill as one in the same thing. There is no point in having the powers if we do not have the fiscal framework that now allows us to exercise them without prejudice to the interests of Scotland. On Clare Baker's point, he made a number of very fair and reasonable points about the transparency of the process. I have gone to the French Committee now on two occasions about the fiscal framework and I have set out a lot of the Government's thinking on the issues that we have to provide. I have also said to the French Committee that I cannot see how I can provide a running commentary on the issues that have been discussed within the Joint Exchequer Committee, of which she quite correctly says that I am the joint chair. However, I can assure her that there will be a report published after each meeting of the Joint Exchequer Committee, and that has happened on the occasions that it is met. Secondly, there will of course be the ability to have full consideration and analysis of the fiscal framework that emerges from those discussions by Parliament before we move to any acceptance of the Scotland Bill. I will only come to Parliament and recommend the acceptance of a fiscal framework if I believe that to be fair in the interests of the people of Scotland and consistent with what was envisaged by the Smith commission in its report. Malcolm Chisholm made, I thought, a couple of very substantial points about some of the elements of the Scotland Bill, which are more about micro-management than they are about devolution. Rob Gibson made the same points in relation to the Crown Estate, and we should avoid that at our peril. Devolution is about giving power to the Parliament to exercise that power, not to stipulate how powers should be used. Finally, Drew Smith made, I thought, I am always wary about praising Labour members, because I feel that it does not do the many good in turn. However, if Drew Smith forgives me, I thought that he made a really substantial contribution to the debate today about how there is an opportunity to create broader agreement about the further stages that can be made in empowering this Parliament by dialogue and discussion and debate. That has been helped by the debate today. I think that the Smith commission would have been helped by that process to a greater extent. I undoubtedly think that the Scotland Bill would be strengthened if the UK Government would respond positively to the substantive and dispassionate contribution that has been made no least by the Devolution Powers Committee but also by the Scottish Parliament into the burden. Finally, Linda Fabiani made a key point in this whole debate, which is about the need for this entire package to be cohesive. It must hide together. It must enable us to exercise the type of welfare responsibilities and imagination that Mr McMahon talked about, but it must also give us the ability to create a stronger economy to fund those provisions as a consequence. That is the bit that we think is substantially lacking in the contents of the Smith commission agreement and by its nature. If it is absent from the Smith commission agreement, it will be absent from the Scotland Bill into the bargain. That is what we must remedy. Mr MacDonald might have given us the clue. There was a Scotland Act 1998, a Scotland Act 2012, a Scotland Act 2015. Who knows that there might need to be another Scotland Act into the bargain. Thank you. That concludes the debate on Scotland's future, democracy and devolution. The next item of business is consideration of business motion 14255. In the name of Jo Fitzpatrick, on behalf of the Parliamentary Bureau, setting out a business programme, any member who wishes to speak against the motion should press a request-to-speak button now and a call on Jo Fitzpatrick to move motion number 14255. No member has asked to speak against the motion therefore I now put the question to the chamber. The question is that motion number 14255, in the name of Jo Fitzpatrick, be agreed to. Are we all agreed? The motion is therefore agreed to. There are three questions to be put as a result of today's business. The first question is at amendment number 14252, in the name of Claire Baker, which seeks to amend motion number 14252, in the name of John Swinney. On Scotland's future, democracy and devolution be agreed to. Are we all agreed? No. Parliament is not agreed. We move to a vote. Members should cast their votes now. The result of the vote on amendment number 14252, in the name of Claire Baker, is as fomos. Yes, 43. No, 75. There were no abstentions. The amendment is therefore not agreed to. The next question is at amendment number 14252.1, in the name of Annabelle Goldie, which seeks to amend motion number 14252, in the name of John Swinney. On Scotland's future, democracy and devolution be agreed to. Are we all agreed? The Parliament is not agreed. We move to a vote. Members should cast their votes now. The result of the vote on amendment number 14252.1, in the name of Annabelle Goldie, is as fomos. Yes, 13. No, 73. There were 32 abstentions. The amendment is therefore not agreed to. The next question is at motion number 14252, in the name of John Swinney. On Scotland's future, democracy and devolution be agreed to. Are we all agreed? Parliament is not agreed. We move to a vote. Members should cast their votes now. The result of the vote on motion number 14252, in the name of John Swinney, is as fomos. Yes, 105. No, 13. There were no abstentions. The motion is therefore agreed to. That concludes the decision time. We now move to members' business. Members who leave the chamber should do so quickly and quietly.


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Yoke see thunder just added another really big win to their resume and all season long I've been watching the thunder they're like my favorite team to watch for multiple multiple reasons and I see a team that is a contender in there but in the back of my mind I think about their youth as of right now of course as you know they are the fourth youngest team in basketball fourth youngest team and look at who's around in the piscis are not good the spurs are not good I'm being nice the trouble is not good and then obviously we're talking about one seat the magic are good basketball team the jazz maybe not so much anymore but these teams that they are around they are leagues and leagues ahead of and I notice it's not rare this like you've probably seen this talk at point multiple multiple times throughout the season will their inexperience matter because if you just close your eyes and look past the fact that they are all super super young they have all the the makings for a team that can win an NBA championship they have a superstar point blank period winning an NBA championship you need to have a superstar more times than not they have that is Shay Gildes Alexander they have elite level shooting they are third in the association in three point percentage only behind the Clippers in the Minnesota Timberwolves they have an elite level defense fourth in the association at this moment they have great depth and they're well-coached what much more can you ask for for championship contending team then again you think about the fact that there's only a few players on their roster that have even played in the NBA playoff game and again like last night versus the Clippers showcased all of those things and I'm gonna break them down one by one first one Shay Gildes Alexander gave us his prototypical stat line of 31 points has some change 31 he always ends up with 31 I noticed to me but he was amazing there was a game early the season where they played against the Clippers and there was a lot of conversation about who the Clippers might have a kryptonite to shake it was Alexander they threw some bigger defenders on him and he struggled wearing this way it didn't matter who was guarding him when he had Kawhi when he had Paul George when he had ten words man it didn't matter Norman Powell did a full 360 on a step back she got to his spots and Shay executed when he got there in this game they shot 17 of 35 from three all season long there's there've been people saying and people speculating they were gonna have some three point shooting regression from the Thunders because they have too many people shooting career highs Lou Dort Lou Dort Lou Dort shot 30% from three is rookie season 34% sophomore than 32 than 33 and now he's sitting at a smooth 39% on five attempts Shay Gildes Alexander is getting closer and closer to getting back to that 41% three point shooter we saw in a second year in OKC and if you look at his last 15 games he's shooting 53% from three on three attempts I just don't know how you guard them then. Chad Holmgren almost 40% from three as a seven foot one rookie center it goes on and on and on Aaron Wiggins is a guy that a lot of people said his jump shot was gonna be one of the reasons why he may not be a full NBA player 51% from three Jdub 45% Isaiah Joe 43% like I can't believe case in Wallace 41% the shooting regression has never come which maybe scares me a little bit because maybe it comes in April I don't know or maybe this is just who this team is right now the defense last night amazing now Paul George has been through a major major slump I think he shooting 20 something percent from three in his last 15 games it's it's been kind of rough but they held Paul George to 14 points James Harden the 17 only 20 for Kawhi even though it was an efficient 20 like they really defensively stepped up specifically in that third quarter why I think they had seven to eight blocks all of those but like it was on Zubac like the defense really ramped up and that is the moment that they pulled away in this game where we got it where Chad Holmgren went to the bench and we get the small ball lineup of Cambridge Williams and Josh Giddy as the four and the five and they were everywhere arms everywhere steals layups three point shot trailer all of the defense was played and they would get the depth in this game in the first half Isaiah Joe scored 0-0 points in the first half none for some reason coach Mark Dayton on this goes hand-to-hand we talk about this this coaching stuff coach Mark Dayton I was like you know we're gonna start our third quarter with Isaiah Joe on the floor it had a lot to do with the way the Clippers were covering them the same way a lot of teams are gonna cover them once they play against okay seeing Josh Giddy's on the floor he is a non-threat to all teams across basketball so we're gonna guard him as a non-threat you know it's a big threat Isaiah Joe and in that third quarter Isaiah Joe hits a big time threes some big time cuts and play phenomenal defense on isolation with James Harden but Mark Dayton all saw this guy who in this game was had 0 points 2000 two turnovers going into halftime it was like you know what he needs to start in this third quarter and that is the type of depth we talk about with okay see and the type of coaching we talk about with okay see not to mention in this when Cambridge Williams was everywhere when his minutes I had a big time corner three got some steals and so on and so forth and the depth is only gonna get better because Gordon Hayward who played his first official game 13 minutes and do much other than get a couple rebounds but we know Gordon Hayward once he starts to ease his self back into playing after the injury and then time off he's gonna provide some depth and they picked up Bismac-Biambo who like the one of the major things other than the age thing the other major thing around okay see is like man they're gonna get killed on the glass they're a smaller team Bismac-Biambo as if you know you know he's he's been a character on my channels for years and years and years but the man is a good basketball player I guess has been up and down throughout his career but his last tenure in Memphis early this season this stat right here is how many of the teams miss field goals in the half court did they rebound so how many offensive rebounds that the team give up when busy was on the floor he was in a 94th percentile which means that hey you're not getting an offensive rebound when I'm on the court again it's been ups and downs and you before that a Phoenix it was awful but he's had really good years and this is one of his really good years when it comes to rebounding or not allowing the opposing team to get rebound now obviously busy is not a player that's going to be close in our games he's not a player that's even gonna play huge minutes but it's just in those those mixed minutes where he's getting you 15 minutes a night in those 15 minutes when you're going super small you know what I'm saying I didn't see people talk about a secondary star I don't know if you've been watching okay see like you should be because they have that secondary secondary star I want to show you something now if you don't know who I was referring to I was referring to Jaylen Williams he's averaging 19 points per game four and a half assists for rebounds 50% for the field but this is I want to go to his last year his rookie season stats I want to show you something ridiculous so in his first month of his NBA career he averaged 10 points per game second month 12 points per game third month 13 then 15 then 20 and then you get the three games at the end sees nose don't count those okay but in it his last month last complete month as a rookie averaging 20 points per game right this year 15 points per game in the first couple games of the season then he went up to 18 then it was 19 then it was 20 and right now he's in the midst of 23 points per game are you seeing a pattern about how much better this player has got from week one to week now and it continues to get better and better and better and these fourth quarters that Jaylen Williams has been able to put together have been phenomenal right now he is 11th in the league and fourth quarter scoring in just nine minutes and that's 58% in the field 58% of three I mean he's doing it you know fourth quarter j-dub is real but for some people everything that I just talked about doesn't matter because they're super young and I just understand it right it's rare and I mean extremely extremely rare that we see a team with zero playoff series wins jump to title contender in one season so the best example we have that's somewhat similar to this is okc teams of last we're in 2010 this team made it to the playoffs and lost in the first round to the Lakers then in year number two of being together they made it all the way to the conference finals and the year number three of being together they made it to the finals and eventually lost now you can look at this a couple different ways you can say that the current okc team may not have that first round exit like we saw the 2010 okc team do but they do have post-season or a post-season appearance last year with them being in the playing does that count we don't know the only other example I could think of at least in recent history is like an okc a warriors team of the past but it's not a one-to-one parallel because of 2012-2013 warriors even got to the second round and this is year three Steph Curry this is rookie Draymond Green in year one Clay Thompson the year after that they made it to the first round two and lost a seven to to the Clippers and then we saw them win a championship so they basically had three years of their court together before they ended up winning a championship and I would say okay see this is really year one because Chet is that impactful of a player you know what I'm saying so it's really just year one of them all coming together so it's not great one-to-one parallels as far as these super young teams being successful but we do see something that you can squint your eyes and say it's similar now another one of the main things that's going against okc in this conversation is how ridiculous the western conference is the western conference is always ridiculous but particularly ridiculous this year so let's say this is a snapshot let's say the season were to end today right now they would have to play either the sons the kings the lakers and the warrior or the warriors in the first round hello um uh Devin Booker is one of the best shouldn't guard the basketball if not the best in basketball Kevin Durant is still Magnificent Bradley Bill if he's healthy he's still ridiculous this team has experience the kings may not have a ton of experience with only one playoff series under their belt but that's more than what okc's got right now obviously the Lakers won a championship four years ago and they have Anthony Davis and Braun and then the Warriors have Steph Curry Draymond and the Remain is of Clay Thompson so they're going to be outmatched on experience in all of these and I'm sure that if if one of these series were to happen they're going to be a lot of experts on tv or panelists they're going to say hey this might be a first round exit for the Oklahoma City Thunder but let's say they do end up winning that round yes they did it and now they get to the second round guess what you got to go either against either the Clippers or the Mavs I mean you just beat the Clippers two times out of three um and then last time we played the Mavs they dogged y'all but like it's gonna be a tough path and let's say you get past them now you got to go against either the Nuggets or the Timberwolves in the conference finals and then if you get past one of them you got to go against one of these teams probably the Celtics probably the path could not be more difficult especially for a young team that hasn't had to really get down to that nitty gritty for a seven game series before I'm extremely excited to see if they can do it I still don't know if I put them as like one of the real contenders for everything that I just said but I'm excited to figure out what's right and what's wrong


Rwy'n meddwl i chi'n wneud hynny ymlaen i'r myra hindliau, sy'n yma'n yma'n amseron yn yma'n yma'n amseron yn yma'n rai o'r cyllidau. Cyddechrau'n 5 dod? Rwy'n 5 ymlaen i'n gyfrith o hynny'r cyfrith. Rwy'n meddwl i'n meddwl i'r myra? Rwy'n meddwl i'n meddwl i'w merdd. Yna'r rhywbeth hynny'n bwysig ddim yn yw'n myra? Rwy'n meddwl i'n meddwl i'n meddwl i'r myra, Mae'r ffordd yn gweithio'r ffordd, yn ffordd yn gweithio'r ffordd, i'w wneud i gydagfodol. Felly, rydyn ni'n cael ei wnaeth i'r ffordd, a gydagfodol, a'i gydagfodol. Felly, ydych chi'n gweithio'r Fadgin, yw'r Edinburer, yw Holyroob Palace, a'r Sheikhens gyda'r Gweithio'r Gweithio, a'r Ionfyrdd. Felly, mae'r ffordd yn gweithio, mae'n gweithio'r ffordd, a dweud i'n gweithio'r cychwyn, yw'n gweithio'r gwahoddau, cofyddiwch. Ac rwyf wedi gweld i gweithio'r gwahoddau yn gweithio, a os yw gwahoddau, yn cael ei fathau gyda'r gyffredinol. Felly, oeddwn i, bod y gwahoddau yn gweithio'r gwahoddau yn adeiladau i'r 12 gwahoddau a chatwch doedd yn gweithio'r gwahoddau a chawd i'n gwneud o'r gwahoddau yma yw gwahoddau, fel yna nid yn ceisio. Mae'r ffordd yw yw'r yw Beth, yw'r wneud. yw'n gweithio'n gweithio. Rydw i ddim yn gweld Cwcunwyr. Felly, ymlaen i ddim yn gweithio'n gweithio, gwnewch yn gyntaf Ymlaen i'n Myry Hynnerll. Mae gyda chi'n gweithio i ddim yn gweithio. Rydw i'n gweithio'n gweithio'n gweithio'n gweithio. Rydw i ddim yn gweithio'r gweithio, ond rydym wedi gweld amdano, ac rydyn ni wedi gweld ar y cyfyrdd ymlaen, mae'n gweithio'n gwneudio'n gweithio, a'n gweithio'n gwybod nhw'n gweithio'n bwyddol i chi. O'i hwnnw i'ch hoffi'n gyfennyddio, mae'n Myra. Ac rwy'n cael ei wneud, rwy'n cael ei gwybod hynny. I gyd yn ôl i'n chcielf. Rwy'n cydwyr eich bod yn y gydwyr, yn y cydwyr i'r cyffreddau i'r dod, yma gael yma, gwybodaeth, mae'n gweithio'r ymddangos yn fwy o'r gweithio. I'm one of these that knew about L interest MBC but I didn't know the absolute details, but I knew it was bad enough. I knew I was meeting when he wanted me to start, the fact that it was the fact that they just, basically she and Brady had taken innocent children virtually for pleasure, killed them and buried them on the moars.  Ie ddim yn meddwl i chi'n mynd arddangos, ac mae'n meddwl i chi wedi gwybod fe yw'r ddweud. Mae'r meddwl i chi'n meddwl i chi, ac mae'n meddwl i chi ddiwyddiadau i chi ffyrdd. Mae'r meddwl i chi ddim yn meddwl i chi, bobl efallai mwy o'r meddwl i chi mewn chyllun newydd. Mae'r oeddwn ni'n gwiriaeth i'r adnod yn yma, ac mae'r carol Hanson, ond rwy'r drosbwynt yn ymddiad â'r bleidio ac i'r carol yma'r bydd. Mae'r myra ddau i'r cyfwyr, mae'r byd yn ymddir i'r ymddiad. Mae'r byd yn ymddir i'r cyfwyr yn ymddiad. Mae'r byd yn ymddiad i'r byd, ac mae'r byd yn ymddiad i'r byd, mae'r byd yn ymddiad i'r byd. Mae'r byd yn ymddiad yn ymddiad yn ymddiad, penodd 3 ft-6. So, mae'r ddau'r oedd yn gweithio, mae gydag yn cymryd yn cyd-dweithio, ac mae'r cwerthyn ni'n ddau. Mae'r ddau'r ddau yn cymryd, ac mae'r ddau'r ddau'r ddau'r cymryd. A gweld rwy'n cael ei wneud, ac mae'r ddau'r ddau'r ddau'r ddau'r ddau'r ddau, mae'n ddau o'r ddau'r ddau, allwn gwaith sy'n cael ei wneud. Mae'r cyfnod o Lywodraeth o'r cyfnod oherwydd yn mynd i gyntaf llawer. Mae cyfnod o'r cyfnod o'r cyfnod o'r cyfnod o'r cyfnod o'r cyfnod, awl o'r cyfnod o rhaid i'w amdano, a chyfwyrd hyn i ddiweddolol i ddim wneud. Mae'r cyfnod o'r cyfnod o'r cyfnod o'r cyfnod o'r cyfnod o'r cyfnod. A dy命 sy'n byw o'r bwysig yn cael ei wneud, o'n amser bwysig yn ôl nhw'n gydweithio a'r llun i'r byth. Y cwylwch yn ddigon, o'ch ddigon? Mae'n ddigon, rwy'n ei ddigon, rwy'n ddigon. Mae'n ddigon, o'ch ddigon, o'r ddigon, o'r ddigon, o'r ddigon. Os ond y pwysig yn i gael cyffredinol, mae'n fwy o'r poblig yn y ddweud. Mae'n ddigon, o'ch ddigon, o'ch ddigon, o'r ddigon, o'r ddigon. I don't think I'd have had an answer at that point because it's not for me to judge. And that was it. So she said, interesting, interesting, I'd like to hear more. I said, well, I might be coming back. I don't know, the governor's got ideas for me to come and do a bit of work here. And that was it. Then I went back and I was in Grendan. It was about two or three weeks later and the governor called me to his office and he said there's someone on the phone who would like to speak to you. A governor, Tim Newell, and it was the governor at Grendan who they got. They know each other. Well, Chris Ellis, who said, it's not me that wants to speak to this someone else and they put myra on and myra said, yeah, I was really interested in meeting. I was really interested in what you had to say and the way that you were presenting yourself and I need help. I need some counseling and support. Would you be in agreement to come down and and do that? If it could be arranged? And I sort of said, yeah, I'm happy enough to do that, but I don't quite know how it's going to work. And so, well, I think the governors are going to talk about it with you anyway, but I just wanted you to say that I was impressed by what I heard and I think you would be able to get me through this next difficult period. And I said, well, in that case, fine, I'll do what I can. And that was it. Conversation over. Then I was left with a dilemma because I couldn't carry on. I was working at Grendan as a uniformed officer. I couldn't be given time during my work time to travel 110, 150 miles down to Kent and 115, 110 miles back. I had to do it on my time off my weekends and the governor had agreed that if I was going to do that, it would have to be in my time off. He would sanction it and get the home office to sanction me going down there. He said I would welcome it, Joe. Everything was above board. Everything was above board then. So what was your job then to get information to understand who she was, what she'd done? I mean, basically, I didn't know what my job was going to be. I mean, she said to counsel me, but actually it was more to do with providing emotional support, psychological support. Clearly there have been conversations, and to this day I don't know what conversations about me between the governor in Cocomwood and Tim, who doesn't live far away from here, by the way, who was the governor in Grendan. I was never a party to anything that was said in between. Tim did say he would have to seek permission from the home office, so would I, which was given. Chris had already agreed the governor in Cocomwood. She would accept me. So, yeah, it was all set up, but it was, if you think about the things I've just said to you, and there was more to it than that. I was just a uniform prison officer. I got no rank. I was qualified as a counselor at diploma level, and I got an online psychology degree, which wasn't worth shite. But I was doing the work I thought fairly well with prisoners. So maybe that was my qualification. But I was a prison officer in uniform going down in civis into a female establishment in Kent and working with female prisoners. So what was it like when she started working with her? It was fine, because I took her the same way as I'd taken everybody else. We did agree, we agreed right from the off. I said, right, here's the deal. Here's the compact, if you like, to call it that. If you're going to talk to me, first of all, I'm going to want honesty. This goes without saying. If you're going to talk to me, it's no good if you're going to not be honest with me. If you're going to talk to me, it can't be confidential, right? I should question that. What do you mean? What do you mean it can't be confidential? In terms of if you're talking to me, you're supported by another four or five people. I'll be part of that and I will share it with significant others in your life. That's the way I've worked with every prison I've come across. If they've got a mum or a dad or a brother or a sister who are interested in them, and they're going to tell me one thing and them another and set up for failure, that's not going to happen. That you have, as it was? Yeah, she had a partner at the time, because she was in a lesbian relationship. A partner was visiting regularly at that time, and she had visits from David Aster, who was the main supporter financially, and occasionally from Lord Longford and from Peter Timms, who was ex-prism governor, Reverend Peter Timms. Was she ever still speaking to Ian Brady? No, she stopped speaking to Ian Brady way back, and the last contact with him was, I can't remember now, but Brady wasn't on the scene at all, there was no communication with him whatsoever. Most of what she learned, she learned through the media what was happening with him. So, point being, what she told me was never going to be absolutely confidential, and I said, if you carry on and you work through your bits and you're honest about it, and you find wherever you want to be, then that's fine, I can support all of that, and I did. So, but we only had, somewhere in a region of 10 or 12, what could loosely be called counselling sessions, and I mean loosely because they were interrupted, we were in the governor's office, so there was phones going, there was noise outside, twice we had a chat in the hospital unit, but it was all done wherever we could meet, and then what happened was the papers kicked off, they all went ballistic. It was on the front page of the sun? I was exposed, yeah, yeah. As soon as that happened, basically I thought, that's it, game over. Somebody, I was working with Myra in the prison, with the governor's, with other key staff, with Myra's personal officer, producing reports for the parole board, and somebody, and to this day we don't know who it was, took Myra report and sold it to the Sun newspaper. And the front of the sun, it says Myra freedom scandal, she's ground for release. So you were getting the blame for trying to help her to get her release? Clever headline, yeah. I mean, that paper sold out. I struggled to get a copy of that because when I went, because the governor called me and saturday morning it was, quite early and said, Joe, are you sitting down? And I said, why should I be? And she said, the shit's it, the fan was her words. And I said, what do you mean? And she said, you need to get a copy of the Sun newspaper. It's all gone pear shaped. Somebody's given you a report, they've got it out there. You need to see the headline. And I said, oh, okay. She said, just go off and have a read of the report and then give me a call later. Myra sends a regards her love and hopes that Wendy and Sophie are going to be okay through it, which was a nice touch. But I went down to get the paper. I couldn't get one. I went to the garage, went into town and struggled to get one. I don't even know where I got that copy from.  And then I got it and I read it and thought, what? You know, she's going nowhere, but that's what they produced. Who do you think sold the story? Who do I think? I don't know. Could it have been her? No, she'd never have done that, never. Could it have been a partner? No, the people that were close to her in a circle because she had a very tight in a circle. None of them would have done that. But you don't know because back in the day, you're talking what, 16, 17 years ago, this was? What's the day? You're talking like 50 grand, 100 grand for a front page story. I don't think anybody that knew David Aster would be sure to 50 grand if they really wanted 50 grand. Okay, I did get it. But anyway, I was paid. My salary was paid. But most of the people that supported Myra were not in there for money, the close circle. However, I don't know whether orderly officer, anybody in there that had keys to the gate officer. Did she ever talk about the muddles and stuff? Did she ever open up about everything that she had done? And what was that like first hearing that? It was tough. It was tough because basically she'd not opened up at all much during her sentence as much as I was pushing her to open up. So it was tough for her because I wasn't going to leave any stone unturned. She wanted me to challenge so I was going to challenge certain things. But it was tough for me to hear as well because just by coincidence, and again, it's mentioned in the book, I sort of hit the killing of Leslie and Downey coming up to the Christmas period. When everybody's getting ready for Christmas festivities and everybody's getting excited about Christmas for their children, I'm sat talking to Myra in the governor's office about Leslie's killing and about Leslie's murder.  We did something in the beginning just as a by the by where initially the first two sessions we talked with the light out. She said I want to speak but I want to speak with a light out. And I said why would you want to do that? She said because at this moment in time, the fluorescent light hurts my eyes, but also I want to be able to talk without you reading what's happening on my face. And I said why would you want to do that? Anyway, I said okay, so we'll do it. It was getting dusk, so we spoke in the darkness, but not complete darkness, you know. And I said to her afterwards, it was a couple of months after, I said what was all that about? Why would we really have to go through that fast just for a couple of interviews? And she said I just did something I wanted to do. I didn't want to see your reaction. I said what sort of reaction were you expecting you're going to see? Shock horror, disgust, whatever, whatever you want, whatever you want to look at it. Did she have an attraction for you? I said no. Well attraction in terms of Did she like you? She liked me as a friend. She called me a rock in one letter and she was always pleased to see me. But she said that in those first two sessions and we hadn't got into anything heavy. She said but I was going to mention the fact that I was parted to killing these children and what I'd done certainly with Keith Bennett in a part in that. And the most important one to her was Pauline Reid was the first one because she told everybody that Brady had basically instigated the lot and that he was the one who'd chosen her for the killing when he wasn't. It was her. But what she'd done it for was mainly because she wanted to just speak and then my reaction was judged by the way I'd reacted subsequently. And I said what do you see in my eyes now?  She said what have you seen since? You've told me this and now we've gone through Leslie and Downey's killing which by the way when I finished I then got to get in my car and drive all the way back home. And that was sometimes very difficult. At Grendan I had therapy meetings followed by staff feedback and an element of supervision. With Myra I had what she'd given me, driving, thinking about it and then I'd wait until I got back to work maybe three or four days later before I could speak to Dr Jack Wright who was a psychiatrist at Grendan and offload. So I carried it and I do remember that night of when we went through Leslie Ann's murder, driving back and it was cold, it was winter, driving back up the motorway, I was looking into the distance, my mind was on the moors, it was awful. I was thinking of kids getting ready and families getting ready and not having your child on a Christmas day.  It went over a period of four years so it was finished in 66 so it started in 62, 63 I think. That was five carins from the age of 17, six years old, eight years old. There was gaps before them you see, gaps between each. Could there have been more? Could there have been more? I think there could. I mean because it ended the way it did. I mean it ended because Brady effectively lost the plot, he stopped being careful and the Edward Evans killing was a mess, an absolute mess. What happened? Well he got Edward Evans to come back to the house, he'd met him out in Manchester.  But effectively he'd brought Edward Evans back to the house ostensibly for a game of cards and then bludgeoned in with an axe. But before he did it, he'd actually got Myra's brother-in-law David Smith to come over and witness what he was doing. Myra's part in all of this because she said she wasn't around at the time she was in the kitchen and stuff like that. How true is that though? Out true? Yeah, was it true or was she also a liar? She stuck to me with the fact that she was nothing at all to do with that. She knew what was going on, she could crust it, she could avert it, you know. And well she did, she admitted to hearing what was going on but as far as they were concerned and then entering at a point when it was too late. But David Smith was traumatised by, I mean you can imagine, can't you? So what I'm saying is where it went wrong was Brady did what he did thinking somehow along the line Smith was going to go along with it who actually went back and told Myra's sister who then phoned the police. And so next day he was arrested. So this cleverly controlled murders that they had in the past with the burying of the bodies making sure they've checked her all, still wearing the same stuff and there was no evidence left around, cleaning the van, all of that had gone. It was getting Edward's body out of that house. You know, it was best they could wrapping him up and putting him out of the way. Did you ever ask her was that more? Because of you? No, I did. I said, you know, during the course of it, I said, were you involved in any more? And no, said I wasn't involved in any more. Could Brady have been involved in any more? Did you ever speak to him? Sorry? Did you ever speak to Brady? No, I tried. I wrote to him on three occasions. First occasion was just a hi. I'm Joe Chapman. You probably know I'm councillor in Myra. It would be great to have a chat with you. I left it, nothing. Don't even know whether it got to him. The second one, I had a little bit more information. So I'd written to him saying, listen, Myra has told me what's been her part in it. It's unraveling. I'd like to get your side on it. I'm starting to see some of the things that you've alluded to. I'd like to chat to you about that. And here, by the way, is a letter in Myra's handwriting that she'd given me to give me authority to sort of speak to you. But she doesn't want to speak to you. Did she ever break down crying or anything? Or was it just no one knows? Yeah, on the Leslie Undowney one she did. Because that was more to do with the fact that I think she'd started over the years. She'd started to home into the person she used to be. And she used to be, without doubt, when you listen to people that knew her as a child, she was good with children. She was trusted.


All right now welcome back to the law of Lawson and so yeah we got a little different thing today I'm not gonna have as many slides but Melissa and I have a good show ready for you today Melissa is my on hand studio what do you call people back in the studio anyway yeah the producer there you go she's my producer and she's doing a great job so anyway so what we're gonna talk about today it was just video it's been like I mean people something that's been a lot of videos about people they just don't want to wear a mask right so now we see here in Hawaii and for those viewers of mine and friends on the mainland I know you kind of deal with the same thing but right now Hawaii's on it like a uptick in our testing our reported positive cases here right and so instead of going down and flattening the curve our curve is actually we ain't got a damn curve it's just going back up right so anyway so and so you got people that just don't want to wear a mask right so the governor here has mandated that we should wear a mask whenever we're out and about when you see some of these people on the mainland and we had them here in Hawaii early on you they want to go down to the state house and protest the right to be free from wearing the mask now then they got flags then they come down there you know like in the mainland it came you know to the state house and was it Michigan they had loaded farms and guns demanding the right not to wear a mask it's just ridiculous anyway so so now you got these people here we got a couple people here in Hawaii you know and they go into the store and they just go in without a face mask on right and they say well it's their right to do this even though they can be carrying an illness or the virus not know that they're carrying the virus and then spread it as some asymptomatic right they they actually had a virus in them they're showing those symptoms of it they're walking around with no mask on and they're spreading the virus and so just knuckleheads and somehow they feel like this is living in some type of a communist state or you know authoritarian state to where when the governor says look you know it's tough just killing people it's causing people to be extremely sick we're trying to protect you know our citizens who may be vulnerable to the virus so well you know I mandate you wear a mask because it's almost an emergency so listen to you so some of these people had these cars made up you know I'm sorry for laughing some of this shit's just comical though so you got people walking into a store and stuff like that literally right Melissa found this on the internet but they're using it with a face mask exempt card I'm exempt from ordinance requiring face mask usage in public wearing a face mask poses a mental and slash or physical risk to me under the Americans with Disabilities Act I'm not required to disclose my condition to you Department of Justice ADA violation reporting number that has I mean I don't know who says so Melissa just found this before the show came on because I was just gonna show you a video in a second a second but so that was my first time actually reading it but you gotta wonder these people are sick so they come over so they walk into the store and they get without a mask and they had this stuff and so what what's the truth the ADA so we do our research here at the law at law so we just don't come on here pulling out pulling stuff out of our rear ends with absolutely no way to back it up we got research right legal research no the ADA does not provide blanket exemption from face mask requirements there's no ADA that's that's to me that's fraudulent it's almost like you know let me let me back up when the governor issues an emergency order right the law allows governors in certain circumstances right when there's emergency declarations and stuff like that to issue emergency orders now it cannot be an order issue from here going forward if you notice if you go back to here in Hawaii when this pandemic first started the governor issued an emergency order it will go for he'll say like 30 days and then he'll issue what they call the second emergency order right because it just like legislature makes a law remember your your SIF what do they call that class you know in high school civil civil I don't know citizenship whatever the hell it was you I don't know what y'all took actually I was in I was I used to skip a lot of these classes when I was in school caught up to me and that's another story about why you need to make sure you stay in class we'll do another program on that on my YouTube channel but back to this and so the governor issues an emergency order right that becomes law keep in mind it's only temporary can only be done in emergency situations you see it when there's floods hurricanes and stuff like that and here with this pandemic and so it does be my point is it does become a law right and so the governor issued an emergency order a few weeks ago mandating that masks be worn in public wherever yet right and and and then businesses with a lot of people around so when you come up and you have can we put that card back up there real quick Melissa so when you walk into it so if you it's almost like me driving without a license and I got a fake license that that's a crime right and so if to me I think you could there's no you may be charged with some type of fraud or some type of intent to deceive I don't know what it could be called I'm just thinking of this because Melissa just found this car but to me it's almost equivalent to giving a fake ID right or to using some type of fake document to circumvent the law fake security number etc because what you're saying is that this car says you don't have to follow the law and so again you can take that off so anyway so yeah and so what what is the law what so what if you do so what if you if you walk if you're in the store and somebody doesn't have a mask going and you say miss you know I don't know you may have forgotten your mask out in the car that happened to me I went to long and as soon as I know I went into FedEx now I was walking into FedEx with my packages and I forgot my mask in the car and as soon as that's when the door one of the workers like hey so I was like I knew right then like damn I forgot my mask so I had to go and get my mask let's say you in the store you see something let's you see a lady in there let's let's call her Karen so you see Karen in the store Karen ain't got no mask on you say hey miss can you put your mask on she start yelling that she's like hey you know I got a disability you get the store manager store manager come learn ma'am you got to wear a mask or and she says I have a disability and I don't have to wear a mask and you can't ask you what my disability is does the store manager have to serve according by law so Melissa can you show them this video and then after Melissa shows you the video we'll come back on the other side and if you want to comment in a comment section as you're watching this on YouTube or whatever you're watching it on about whether or not you think the store manager has to earn a request or whether or not you think the store manager can kick around you can comment before I come back all right I have my items I'm trying to check out at the store I've just been shopping for about a half hour that all my things and I'm just trying to check out and the manager are you the manager I'm the health and safety manager for the company okay and by you acting with what you're doing you've put the rest of the store and the other people here but you're violating my Americans with disability activates I'm trying to check out you're arguing with me you're within my six feet of space and if you have a mask and it works then what's the problem with me not having a mask ma'am you're not supposed to be in the store without it yes I am because I have a breathing condition you cannot deny me service due to a disability it's Americans disability act it's a $95,000 fine I have medication but you've actually it doesn't matter you have to provide you have to provide service to people in wheelchairs just like you have to provide service to me cannot deny me that are you saying you're going to deny me based on the disability because I cannot wear a mask is that what you're saying I'm saying you're not following the laws that have been there's no law no sir don't lie to me there is no law do you know how a lot is made service to anyone no you don't not based on a disability yes we do not based on a disability you do not have the right to deny me service based on a disability if we have a facility that is set up for the regulations that have been put I'm standing here arguing it was longer than it would have taken me to check out so it's not about that and you cannot deny me service based on a disability what part of that don't you understand it's a $95,000 fine ma'am do you have a message for the Americans Disability Act do you have a yes I do you're the we'll take that up at the membership counter okay I'm so not allow people to come into our position I have my items I want to leave and you will not let me leave with that with my items that's against my HIPAA so you want to know my medical condition is that because that's a $25,000 fine on top of the $95,000 fine yeah it is you cannot ask me about my medical condition you don't know the law sir so please don't quote it because I do I do know my rights I do know the law you're telling me wearing a mask is the law and that's wrong wearing a mask is not a law can we make sure that we get our membership information and we'll just turn this over to the authorities it's an executive order it's not a law thank you so much you really appreciate it you need to check me out you're denying me service so so we'll just call her Karen and oh man what do you start on so maybe some of you all have already done it you you put into the comment section underneath this YouTube video that yeah he shouldn't have denied Karen the right Karen has a right not to wear a mask because she has a disability and he has to let her shop with the disability and so much unwrap here but okay so you know when you go to a store and it says no shoes no shirts no service okay no shoes no shirts no masks no service period right now what does what does the ADA actually say so first of all those cars let's make sure we address this clearly those cars that Melissa shows you earlier that that one right there bogus so whoever you see one like that no the ADA says you know that that they do not have those cars those cars are fake there's also cars talking about or at least sheets from the that claim to be from the department of justice for these exemptions the department of justice has said those are fakes too so what so if a person truly has a disability what must the store do so you could have a person has a disability there was one man who was on a military base and the military denied him the right to come into the commissary and because of his injuries he had actually no ears so there was at and he had a breathing problem too but he could not actually put a mask on his head because none of the mask you know he had no ears literally and he had a breathing problem and the commissary just point blank denied him the right to come in there right they got in trouble now what you can do you there has to be reasonable accommodations and so if the store says hey you can't come in right you got a disability I mean you can't come you don't have a mask on first I got disability and and you believe them well you you can do curbside shopping ma'am give can you give us your list and we were going and you stay right here with shopping for you and and bring it out to you you can pay online or whatever right they have there's a lot of that going on so that is providing a reasonable accommodation what can a store owner not do the store owner cannot say to the to the client or to the not client to the shopper what's your disability right that is a violation of the ADA you can't ask the person specifically what the disability is what you can ask them is do you have a disability and how does not wearing a mask accommodate that this and then they can explain that's it there's only two questions you can ask legally all right but if you believe a person does have a disability then you can you can provide the reasonable accommodation now in this video you hear her say that she has medication and some people I had and again we don't have time to watch it again but some people have thought that they heard the store manager say that he would go out or maybe a young lady who's working at this store I think it's called chef something I forget well let's suppose the name of that chef chef chef zone or something like that I've never been there um but but some people say that they can hear either him or her say to the to Karen hey Karen we can actually go out and and shop for you and you can wait on the curve side something similar to that I didn't hear that um but there's another thing that comes up he says are you a member do you have a membership here now those of you that shop at Costco remember you have a membership there that's different from going into um Walmart Walmart you don't need a membership so you know how this I'm I'm gonna give you this legal advice or free you know how when you're walking out of Walmart there's people are waiting there talking about can you show me your receipt and then you actually show them your receipt at Walmart you don't have to do that they have no right to stop you they do it right but they at Walmart they have no right to stop you can say sir I ain't showing and I tell them you know I know they think I'm about and look I didn't I haven't stole nothing you ain't seen me take nothing so I ain't stopping for you and I don't show them jump now when I go to Costco I stop when I show it why what's the difference the difference is Costco I you know I'm a member it's like a private club so to speak and you can only shop there if you're a member and by becoming a member you agree to certain rules and what he was asking her at this chef whatever this place is called um chef zone I ain't never been chef zone but apparently those of you that have been at least for me watching this video you hear him ask Karen hey Karen you got a membership here and she says yeah well if you got a membership there at that point you gotta buy by certain rules like like I said before so when when when I leave Costco they say if you want a membership here part of your membership means that when we ask you for your receipt upon departure you have to show us your receipt and stop for us to look in your cart you agree to that by becoming a member now you don't want to do that don't become a member right and you pay for that annual membership you go to Walmart they try to do the same thing there right and but they but they can't they're right they're not a private club so to speak they're an open um um um grocery store whatever you want to call it and so in order to be detained there they have to have some type of reasonable suspicion or probable cause to believe that you're engaged in a legal activity if not they have no if they tried to stop you from leaving Walmart for not showing your your receipt you could actually sue them right for for either if they try to put their hands on you and stop you whatever um yeah for like a false arrest or something to that effect right unlawful detainment so I just walk right by them they say circuit I was like no you can't see my receipt because they don't they don't and when they do that they ain't looking at not how they do you know what they do they and then they just had had a little yellow marker like this right let me check it out man you could have all kind of shit in your cart that don't match what's on that receipt they ain't paying no attention man so anyway y'all getting me distracted let's get back to Karen and the ADA and so again you have to provide reasonable accommodation so let's say that you don't have curbside check-in or a curbside service and so Karen comes into your store right and she says hey I do have a disability all right and I for whatever reason I got asthma or I can't you know and and me breathing through this mask was exacerbated pre-existing um um breathing condition and so my doctor's told me or whatever so she's volunteering this information to you can you say I don't care Karen you have to wear a mask in this store and no matter what and so it's credible that she has a disability and the store and says well you can still got the go well Karen can sue right because if you don't you have to provide some type of reasonable accommodation they have to be able to run and so whether or not you you could have a face shield there give them a face shield right okay you can't wear a mask so we got we got um you know how you walk into these stores and they got them a little electric um um what you call them things wheelchairs whatever you know like wheelchair shopping carts and stuff like that to accommodate those that that are disabled and so um you know the store owner would be well advised if you're not going to have an accommodation a reasonable accommodation to bring people out to the um to you know bring the groceries outside curbside check-in then you would be well advised to have some type of face shield um for those individuals hey but if somebody's coming in with that card or with some type of form from the justice department talking about 95 I mean sometimes knowing a little bit of law she thought she could come in and intimidate people now why she just didn't wear a mask I have no idea she's talking pretty loud I don't know if she has a disability or not but she doesn't have any problem breathing right then but it's almost like you know to see this is why I don't tell you a whole lot about the law because too much law in the hands of people that that are just kind of crazy is dangerous so here's a lady that thinks she knows the law and it's in there spouting off $95,000 if I want to she tell that guy and and $95,000 fine and some type of um issue with what what he can't do with what he can't do and that by doing this creates a different type of fine I mean she's just going straight up carrying in there and eventually she just left rather than just wearing a mask and so I don't know and as far as this is concerned you're going to still see people do this you're going to still see people push back on this but the COVID pandemic is serious as we can see here in Hawaii our emergency rooms are being filled up again the our department here uh uh department of health now some of you guys you don't pay attention to this but you can probably google department of health uh Dr. Anderson he's not a real doctor like he's not a real medical doctor he's like some type of phd and I you know I don't know about you but if I have some type of medical problem I don't go see a phd I try to go see what they call an MD and so to have a phd at the head of a medical issue i.e. this pandemic never made sense to me at all but they've messed it up so bad here that looks like in a couple of days the governor's going to issue another shut down order or more severe restrictions with respect to stay at home orders or something because our race are rising and our race are rising in part because we got so many carons out here who just don't want to mask up right and and and the experts have shown throughout the united states by just wearing a mask you you can save lives and prevent the spread of disease it will help flatten the curve and so we have to do our part but some of us are so selfish that we rather just live free and let you die remember that I was saying live free or die live free why you die um it could be the new model that some of these carons out here using so with that being said this would be the end of our show again this will be my school starting next week right so I got to teach law classes online to my UH law students here so this is my last show but I've enjoyed coming here for the last few weeks at least trying to entertain you in some form of fashion but you can catch me on my own youtube channel um the law at Lawson but until our next time you guys be safe and I'll see you sometime in the future I'm out