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Good morning There's calls for an urgent plan to be put in place for the erection of modular homes in Donegal Minister Catherine Martin previously suggested it up to 7,000 modular homes are to be built in the country Councilor Albert Doherty says There appears to be no evidence of such plan. 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I hope at 10 o'clock again at my apologies Okay, get involved in the conversation Well, firstly what you can do is you can open up your smart TV or your fire stick and watch the show on the YouTube app Highland Radio Ireland or across our Facebook pages through Facebook watch of course you can watch on your tablet and phone as well or on our website Highland radio.com now you can also get involved in the conversation. Oh wait 660 25,000 It's been an incredibly busy week. That's text or what's apps of course or call us an 07 for 9 1 25,000 07 for 9 1 25,000 and emails to comments at Highland radio.com right, okay Let's say good morning to Declan meeting community campaign at Declan. Good morning to you. How are you keeping? It's great to have you on the show Senator Lisa chambers vice president of Fina fall good to see you Lisa. How are you keeping? I'm good Greg. Good morning and last but not least Michael Harrison former guard a sergeant and current cyber threat enthusiast Good morning to you Michael. How are you keeping? Excellent stuff, it's great to have you all on the program, right? I mean, obviously we're going to talk about this new scheme This new scheme announced for Dublin primarily Dublin apartment block home holders But first a quick word on the situation facing the public expenditure Minister Pascal Donahue He's fighting to save his political career according to the independent as new revelations about his relationship with businessmen Michael Stone Pile on further pressure calls from the opposition for the minister to answer questions about his election expenses and donations Have been increasing after he admitted failing to declare contributions from Mr. Stone during the 2016 general election And with the minister now shutting down questions about his dealings with Mr. Stone It can be revealed Mr. Donahue used a legal loophole to keep the amount Fina Gale received from Mr. Stone under the radar of the political ethics watchdog the minister changed his stance on whether the Successful businessman provided financial support to him over the course of the 2020 general election And so it goes on Mr. Donahue held at least 13 official meetings with Mr. Stone over the past five years And Mr. Stone's firm did not disclose its donations to Mr. Donahue's 2016 election campaign I suppose Lisa Chambers, you know, you know when you're when you're explaining you're losing What's your take on this whole situation and the implications for Mr. Donahue minister Donahue? Yeah, I mean, I think you know, he's in he's in a difficult situation. There's no point in saying otherwise I think when it first came out and you know, it it appeared to be The erection of pollsters that he believed was voluntarily done, which is which would be the norm I mean, certainly down this part of the country anyways, it's volunteers a foot of our pollsters We don't We don't have the the luxury of paying for somebody to do that So I thought that made sense initially to be honest because it would be in keeping with my experience of running elections And the challenge is because like we've become hyper aware of these things I think in the last number of years and you know, there's a lot more transparency and rightly so And and there are very strict limits on what any one individual can donate to a candidate So as a as an individual person you can only give and when I say only it's a significant amount of money But you can give maximum 2000 euros in an annual in one year to any candidate So there would be a challenge or a difficulty if the value of the service Exceeded that because then you've exceeded how much an individual can give you And I I remember back when I ran my first campaign in 2011 For example, and I was very new to politics. I really didn't know much about the the How to to run the campaign side of things and the admin But we had somebody assigned to the campaign to to take care of that because it's so important And there was a friend here who has a local garage and he gave us kind of a little mini bus for the few weeks of the campaign Now he didn't charge for it But we had to put a value on that and a realistic value And you and put that into the return. So you do have to You can't just pick and choose yourself what you think it's worth You have to have a reasonable value attached and you also chose not to put that value in just conveniently Underneath, you know, certain levels as well, which I think Is not insignificant in this whole story There's a pattern there of declarations that just don't breach certain certain caps Yeah, the certain caps in place this came from going back years and years before I was ever involved in politics Where you would be getting significant sums of money off of businesses and individuals And that gave you an unfair advantage over say new candidates or competitors that wouldn't have access to that so the idea around Limits on what you can spend in a campaign and limits on what anyone can give you Is that it levels the playing field for all candidates and that's just meant to make our politics fair And it will be one of the big criticism of american politics is that there's none of that And there's millions going into campaigns and it's completely out of control. So there's good reason why we do this Um, and you know, we all have to abide by the same rules So that is the difficulty you had commentary over the last week saying well, you know, if that if you had x amount of pollsters It reasonably should cost you more than that. That's that's been the challenge And there's been opposition members saying we don't think it's adding up Basically, how long it took to erect a pollster and how much you're putting a value on it So Look, I think when you went to answer questions and in fairness to him He straight away passed me down. He went into the chamber. He, you know, he met a statement This has been not in fairness now, um, Lisa, this has been dragging on for quite some time His excuse was the reason it took him so long to get into the chamber Was because the you know, it was hard to gather information quite a bit of time had passed So this has been on his rate. This has been in his radar for quite some time And it's only really when it blew up As a story that that's when he quickly came into the door just I don't want to patronize our listeners either No, I know and I'm not trying to I mean, I suppose it just you know, if you said he had to get a bit of Time to go back over previous records, you know, I just want to accept that, you know He's been credible on that front enough for sure. I mean, but but he's managed to seem to have got information on 2020 together very, very quickly He was in the door this week back in on Tuesday. So he was able to unravel the 2020 story really quite quickly Yeah, no, I just want to make the point is that, you know I think when it comes to these issues I think that we need to be a bit more cautious in our reaction to it And that if somebody's done something wrong, they've made a mistake The only the only option shouldn't be either nothing happens or you lose your job completely Is there anything in between as opposed to is the point I want to make and that You know people make mistakes and we don't know the full extent of all of this And I'm saying this only knowing what all of you know as well And but you know in public life politicians are humans as well No, 100% and listen that that is fine. But you we also have to recognize that the public out there today Have to wrangle with the likes of planning permission with the keeping the affairs in order making correct declarations to revenue Or wherever it might be, you know And these are rules that we live by that are legislated for by the likes of mr. Mr. Donahoe So I don't want this sort of No one wants any personal harm to come To him no one wants any personal damage to his physical or mental health But at the same time we have to be able to hold someone who holds everyone else to account so highly To to a high bar You know without fear feeling like we could be doing something We live in very stringent times in terms of the the the hoops that we have to hop through every single day Yeah, no absolutely and look at you know When you're in public life you are held to a higher standard and rightly so because you are in a position where you're making the laws You're making the policies So it absolutely should be held to a higher standard and you know, that's why I said at the outset I do think he's in a challenging position because there has to be full transparency. Those rules are there for a reason Um, you know, I think that he did make a genuine attempt to explain the situation I accept that that has not been accepted by opposition members. So this issue has not gone away Okay But before we bring the other guests in let me ask you because there's two timelines here. There's one whereby he Well the government Your party could say right we need to be seen to be doing something here for all the reasons We've been outlining secondly though It can go into the quagmire that is SIPO and be buried for two or three years SIPO itself needs reform So in other words he his case would be dealt by an organization which the government itself accepts is You know clumsy Takes too long too messy So What do you think the next path should be in terms of getting a satisfactory resolution to this? Yeah, I mean, I think he's going to have to provide further clarity to You know to satisfy those members that are not yet happy with the responses that he's given And it's really difficult to call these situations because we've seen previously where something started out that appeared maybe very minor Um can very quickly escalation I think ultimately it comes down to where something starts to distract from the program for government and the business of government Um, that's when you will see tough decisions being made on an individual or situation So I think it's too early to call yet because really he's he's made one statement in the all He's answered some questions people aren't happy. He's going to have to come in my view He's going to have to come back again and try and settle this And it'll come down to whether that's satisfactory. So it's too early really to call Yeah, and as for the reasons you're outlining the opposition know As well and uh, you know, I would imagine they're representing the views of a lot of people out there The opposition opposition know the more toxic thing to make this for the government The more it forces the hand to have to make a decisive Decision and that's why it's dominated since the christmas hollybob's ended Right Declan mehan. What's your views on all of this? Good morning to you again Yeah, I think As you say when you're speaking repeatedly and it's been drawn out over along the period of time then I suppose you're losing if you like And Mr. Donahue, I guess is under serious pressure from the opposition particularly because The opposition and now the people in the house don't don't seem to regard that the information that he's given so far actually stacks up I think that oftentimes what happens is, you know, something small comes out like this As further digging is done around these issues, you know, more things become apparent And I guess at the minute And people are sort of questioning what the nature of the relationship is between Pascal Donahue and Michael Stone And if there's undue influence there because of support that's been given to him So there's a whole question there. I think that the biggest issue for the public is that The public are sick and tired of these sort of scandals, if you like and as you said Greg, you know in our own lives as citizens We have to adhere to particular regulations and standards, etc And when something like this comes out where Someone isn't claimed by the real book as part of government or as part of the political elite, if you like Then it seems like there's a doubled standard and so it's I say that the minister has been given 10 minutes at all on Tuesday to provide further explanations And that he had asked for that to provide further explanations So we're moving to another week, another week of news cycles So it'll be interesting to see how it pans out But I think that the bottom line here is that we have seen over the past six months in particular children and ministers who have been toppled by these sort of investigative and Justice investigations into former details that have been provided where we've seen them both and all have been plunged into Disarray over the the various things that have been exposed about that and I guess, you know, it's credit to these Investigative journalists who are exposing that. I know the ditch in particular has been responsible for some of that One of them I mean, it's made up of two journalists. One of them is actually um, a Donny Malfilla or MacNeil. Um, so Like I think that there's a really important place for that sort of investigative journalism I think it's very important to hold politicians to a high standard And it'll just be interesting to see now how it pans out for basket on here Yeah, and indeed you might just pull your microphone back just a little bit Declan if you don't if you don't mind it's just peeking a little bit for us. Yeah, and and I suppose when you get the independent journalists that you talk of Holding politicians They count in the manner that they are then it puts the pressure I suppose on the legacy media the mainstream media to do likewise Michael Harrison good morning to you again. What's your view on all of this? Yeah, the independent today the question is the prompted page of the independent today as you read out at start it certainly asks a lot of questions And We are looking off in this country in that the politicians that we have elected that are on dollar and that they are on the whole Very decent honest people and the political corruption really and truly It doesn't really exist in Ireland to the extent that it exists in other countries But when politicians make mistakes like the ones that have been made that have to be explained fully And when the minister came out on RT the other day and he read out his statement And the first thing that hit me was how did he determine these values? Like, you know, he he didn't explain that and you know He admitted he made a mistake But he didn't explain it fully and if he had if he had gone into a better detail and greater detail It might have been it might this whole thing might have been avoided But it was he just left so many questions hanging there in this space And you know when you read the independent today the article saying the front page is independent Certainly there is an awful lot more questions An awful lot more detail is going to have to be gone into and explained But it is you know, it's disappointing when you know when policies and procedures that politicians lay down for themselves you know that they don't follow it and particularly With the minister with the experience that he has that he you know somebody in his team Didn't think that this was an issue that you know paying this money But I think there was more and more thought was given perhaps to valuing some of this work And some of these purchasing of tickets For fundraisers to valuing them just really at a nice level Not to to raise any red flags. So there was obviously some you know Mental exercise there. It just wasn't on the in the area that you would probably expect it Michael, have you any concern or is it justified that this is dominating things? You know the opposition are are are all over this For for multiple reasons to hold them to a count political point scoring who's to say But we also have a health crisis. There's a there's a series of protests outside hospitals tomorrow We also have the homelessness crisis. We have the refugee crisis The housing crisis, which is the same to some extent the homelessness crisis You know the door back off the the the christmas break on you a few days and this is going to run into next week Is the time spent on this justifiable? Is this that big that it needs sorting that that other stuff can be put to one side for now? I honestly don't think that A large amount of time should be spent on this like there are huge problems in this country that exist at the moment There are there's massive legislative There's a lot of legislation that needs to be put through the door And you know for you know when you read some of the independent the papers today in the times and the independent like They're talking this is possibly that You know, you know, we could be talking about a general election come next christmas come the end of the year What a crap present that will be Yeah You know for the average man on the street.  I heard that said this morning The policies and procedures haven't been followed. Yeah, I don't know. I think this I think this is significance This I respect your view Michael and others hold it. I don't know. I think this is quite important to people Declan. What do you think? Yeah, I think it's very important to be believing it's Questions that need to be answered. I think we were talking about again Holding people to higher standards particularly talking about a minister who's actually responsible for the standards of public office And so I think that that's something that really needs to be clarified I do take the point though that there are a myriad of other issues that need to be discussed And I need shouldn't be in the limelight more so But you know, they're not mutually exclusive and I do think that these are important issues that also have to be cleared up Yeah, and finally with you Lisa on this. This is always that balance to be struck Um, isn't it? Where you know, I mean obviously thought that there's the big issues But then there this is a relatively big issue and it's also an issue Uh, it's an issue Related to the people that make the decisions on the big issues. So it's always a balance to be struck there It is and I think for the general public It's more like this is the third minister in a short period of time. That's you know in the firing line So it's more I think the the fact that there's more than one and it's been, you know, quite close together I would agree with Declan. I think the public are just quite fed up with these issues because it's distracting As I said, it's starting to distract from the work of government And the really important issues that are affecting people primarily at the minute the health service Which I think is is top of the agenda and also housing as well. So um I think people are just Exasperated with these kind of what they would see as Silly matters that shouldn't be dominating the headlines, but are dominating the headlines And they just don't want politicians to be making these types of mistakes You know from your party's perspective Lisa though, like when is an offer is enough and I know You know, you've entered into an agreement with vinegar that you'd want to honor, right? But we are sort of towards the end of this term heading towards an election election cycle There's an awful lot of toxicity You know, a lot of people see Fina Fall and Fina Gale now as two cheeks of the one bomb For what a better way of putting it, you know, and this is then going to have an effect on on your party I mean, are there any conversations? maybe not Within the party about well, you know What damage does this kind of stuff do to us and what are we going to do to try and protect the reputation of our party? Yeah, definitely. I think within my own ranks You know, you saw back at the very beginning of this government when two of my colleagues had to step down very quickly for For what happened in their situation And then there would have been a feeling that the same Standards were not met when it came to Simon Cove me and Lee over at her that they managed to stay in their jobs And so yeah, there's this tension there. I'll be you know, I'll be Dishonest if I said there wasn't You know that there seems to be different But they I suppose the way that it's operating is that it's up to each party leader to Be responsible for their members in their party Um, and I mean ultimately any member of the coalition could walk away if they weren't happy But I'm not sure that would achieve a whole lot in that you'd be into an election And then you'd be into a protracted negotiation for government and so We don't have a whole lot of options in terms of we have to give a bit of space for The minister to explain himself ultimately It's up to Lee over at her to decide what standards he wants within his own party And then ultimately it'll come down to the public when they do go to the polls at the next election You know, they will decide whether they're happy or not with who's there. So Do you think it'll be an earlier one, Lisa? We heard Michael indicating that there could be one, you know this year. Do you see this government going the full term? I do. I see it going close enough to it. I mean, I think, you know, it would have been due in February 2026 There would be a bit of chat that we would like to avoid a winter election You so you could see that coming maybe in the latter part of 2024 But it's just speculation because politicians love to speculate about elections and when they might happen And I don't see it going any earlier than that being quite honest We've just had the change over in December people are settling into their roles Um, and I think there's you know a genuine seriousness, you know within my own party and and others as well To want to deliver on the program for government and actually get stuff done So I do see it lasting. I don't see an election this year. I could be wrong something could happen But I don't see it happening Okay, well you covered everybody Thank you very much for that. Stay where you are. 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Do great at all state. Don't settle soar Don't procrastinate innovate. Don't do mediocre. Do magnificent at all state great work great life Great people or great opportunities await search all state ni careers today Right, so as you know during the week the government announced a redress scheme a 100% redress scheme for people who are living in own Apartments that were built below substandard during the Celtic Tiger for the most part. It's a full fully funded 100 scheme. There's no contribution from the apartment owners If people have done a bit of work and it's up to a certain standard, you know, uh, this this Retrospective element to that there. I'll tell you what this is. It's like everything that Donegal mica defective concrete block homeowners were looking for it's like it's just been Printed off and given To to the people of Dublin. I've never in this whole process I got a sense of so much hurt and upset from people In Donegal and a presuming mayo in other counties to feel that they're different that they are not the same as Those that live that are living in Dublin. Yes, the cost per unit in Dublin's lower, but the The treatment the crime against these people is equal um, and and I think that's part of the reason why this is So upset and Declan me and obviously we spoke to you on many's occasion as it relates to the defective concrete issue Do you get the hurt? And the pain out there Yeah, I mean again just to kind of I might just say by the way, you're sounding fantastic now. Thank you so much No, Bobby Yeah, so I mean full disclosure that I you know, I'm a defective block affected homeowner as well um, I think The level of anger and hurt out there cannot be overstated I think that we have to be very clear on this Um, and I'm sure sure senator chambers can bring this back to her colleagues Um, is that this is nothing short of a disgrace? Um, and it is an insult. Um for the people that have been campaigning for the better part of a decade Um For this not only to have happened once now, but this is actually the second time That a Dublin centric defective issue has been given 100 redress while The minister quite frankly lies. There is teeth To say that the scheme that has been offered To homeowners in Dunningall is 100 when we know that that's not the case In addition to that, we're still waiting since november 2021 for the scheme that was announced even to be enacted We're waiting on updated figures and to see what the financial Implications that scheme will be with those updated figures I mean the anger and hurt out there as I say cannot be overstated. This has been A disgraceful, I suppose episode in a checkered history That's already existed and a slap in the face to campaigners and homeowners in dunningall mayo and elsewhere across the west My concern is everything that you've just said But the emotional mental toll this will take on people what the consequences of that might be We we know really quite clearly the issues as it relates to dampness black mold Children having to live in these homes potentially with lifelong Illnesses as a consequence. Do you know it's not like we just feel Sad or upset or disgusted and move on this is this is just going to have a I think I just worry what impact this is going to have on people mentally And also for those that can't get out of houses because they can't find 40 50 grand Then the ongoing physical side of things, you know It's easy. I think for us to think of a of a gavel falling on a group of children playing outside a house But we can't seem to wrap our head around as the long-term Health impacts maybe life limiting health impacts. This is having on people Maybe people that can't take any more of this and will no longer be with us Next year and we would we want anyone that feels like that to to to obviously speak to someone but You know, like just because it's not easy to wrap our heads around it doesn't mean that this is going to have very very tragic consequences Declan Absolutely, and I think that that is The side of this that, you know, you have done great work in exposing all sorts of, you know, the different angles that are available on this whole issue For people living with defective black homes, but it's it's, you know, one of the more unseen issues particularly in national media What we've seen over the past year and a half or year and three months since the new scheme was announced is the much trumpeted 420,000 euro cap and that figure And as if that's you know done and dusted, but we don't as you say see what lies beneath that What lies beneath the figures what lies beneath the red tape? And the obstructionism from the government for a proper scheme to be delivered Which is the physical and mental toll that that has taken on thousands of people across dunnegal alone without having to go Down the western seaboard at all thousands of people in dunnegal And I think that that feeds into the anger here that Finafone and fenigale have not listened and they've had ample opportunities to listen over the past 10 years They've not acted properly. They've not acted in good faith In many ways the lead campaigners down the garden path ahead of the announcement in november 2021 We're still waiting on that and yet anything that is around Dublin Is getting 100 redress And and really are very very satisfactory scheme Now, there's a number of things there that are feeding into the anger Number one is over the past week You had the t-shirt leover anchor and the minister for housing dara o brian Both come out and put on the record and we're pains to do so that this Defective apartment block scheme affects people in their constituencies and that for me is a big issue there We have a minister at the cabinet table here And it affects a lot of people in his constituency and in his own backyard And yet he wasn't able to do anything in order to deliver something that is satisfactory to homeowners Which you think is a huge disgrace. It also should be mentioned Leo for hardcore has an apartment himself that's absolutely that will be The other side of this Greg as well is that the apartments in pre in this Scheme that has been announced with a hundred percent redress 60 percent of those 100,000 apartments are actually rented and they're owned by landlords and they're owned by development companies They're owned by vulture funds There is a completely different vested interest here And it is absolutely in tune with the sort of policies that we see come from fina fall and finna gale time and time again To look after those vested interests homeowners regular just joe block homeowners in rural ireland in the western seaword Are being left behind and it's absolutely disgraceful The anger is palpable out there And I hope that people remember this when it comes to the next elections Both it sounds like we're going to get two elections in 2024 Locals and europeans and general election that fina fall and finna gale have stood over this scheme That still has not been delivered and people are still in limbo with the implications as you say on physical and mental health As well as their financial well-being. Okay, it's absolutely outrageous. It's it's it's Worth pointing out for anyone that hasn't heard it anyone affected by defective concrete in commenting on this their first comment is We are delighted for the people of doblin and this is just And then there's the but it's not them or us. We're happy enough as as part of General taxation or whatever to help and contribute. It's not take it from them and give it to us It's just things to be equal and fair absolutely Yep senator chambers Yeah, so obviously there's a lot of people in my own community as well in my county that are impacted by this and I'm not going to try and defend I'm furious as well that there will be this Discrimination in different treatment and it was the very same argument I made years back when we had The previous pirate scheme that was in doblin as well that we wanted to get The same treatment across the rest of the country because this is going to go beyond on the golden male It's down into the rest of the country as well. Hopefully not in his bigger numbers Um, but it's just it's it's deeply disappointing and you know, you've you've both alluded to A lot of the reasons why you know as a as a public representative in this region in the west and the northwest You know the more I'm in the longer. I'm in politics and the more I see the more you realize how important it is To have people at that table and we never have enough people at that table And I know you've mentioned charlie mcconnellog and obviously he's a friend of mine and a colleague of mine for many many years He's one guy at a very large table and he did his very best. I know and I know he did Um, but you've got a lot more representatives that are doblin based and their voice You know, it's just that's just the reality of it with respect And I mean this with respect. I'm like, it's not just a throwing out thing just before I say something You are kind of speaking out about both sides if you mouth here because you are the vice president of fina fall Dara O'Brien is the housing minister you run with these people that you talk of that you You know that in some way to separate charlie mcconnellog out from your other colleagues that are sitting around the the same table That's not acceptable, uh, lisa. I mean if you really feel as strongly as you do surely you you you You leave the party or something. I don't know but I mean like it's it's just too convenient for you to be part of this Organization that has done this to people but at the same time criticize it But in some way not so much charlie mcconnellog it it the people public aren't interested in that anymore No, I accept that. I'm actually not vp of fina fall. I think that might have been for a few years back Okay former vice president. Sorry, my apologies. I'm shana leader. So shana leader. Oh, that's a new job In fairness, that's a decent a decent job too Yeah, um, look, uh, you know, I suppose I just because I know charlie for so long and I've seen how you know How much he tried to to to work on this so I just wanted to put that out there You know in fairness, he's not here on this called this morning In fairness all week ahead of wednesday and subsequently we've invited charlie mcconnellog onto the program He is not available yesterday and he's not available today. He might be available monday. So it's not like we speak It's not like we have Very much tried to get his side of this as well Senator chambers. We do really try and be as fair as possible on this program Yeah, no, no, and that's always been my experience great to be fair I've been coming on for quite some times. I've always found it to be very balanced show Look, you know Over the last number of years dealing directly with homeowners in my own area in mayo and then linking them with colleagues in dunny gall as well You know, we all banded together and we met with the housing minister I couldn't tell you how many times because there was so many meetings about it We brought it up a parliamentary party meetings And there there's there's a limit to what you can do depending on where you are, you know in the government And ultimately it was a decision taken by the cabinet It was an improved scheme, but it did not go far enough I don't think that it did it was better than what was there originally, but it's not good enough And you know, I fully accept what you're saying about, you know, the reaction to what's been given in Dublin and You know, I think it's even more Frustrating when you hear it tried to be justified Oh, it's going to cost us less because it's 25 grand in Dublin pair apartment people don't care because as you said It's the diss it's the it's the unequal treatment for what is the same situation But it appears to be a different approach to one part of the country than to the other part of the country and You know, I mean, I I appreciate I'm the government rep on this call But I can't justify it and I don't think you'll find any public representative along the west that will justify it And you know, like minister mccanlough will come on next week and justify it though Well, I suppose I can't speak for charlie, so I'll wait and see what he says But it's just that what this is this is what we have to you know Okay, uh, we'll we'll come back to it But I want Michael Harrison's views on this as well Then we'll take a break and just a few more questions on this Michael. Thanks for waiting patiently. I really appreciate it No, it's uh Like the scheme that was announced, you know, it is It's extremely annoying for anybody that's living in in a mica house You know to you know when you're reading the papers and you see the scheme the way the people in in Dublin Again have been treated differently to the people in Donegal You're talking about the the existing scheme that was announced and Declan said that that that still hasn't even been started yet But you know that now is not fit for purpose because building costs have literally gone through the roof And you know, it is it is captured a certain amount and I know somebody that's very very close to me And he has told me that if he has to build this house in in accordance Rebuild his house in accordance with the existing scheme.  This is the language, right? We we were told we had to accept the original scheme because They would require a new legislation that would take years do this now or else you're going to be banjaxed, right? With this scheme, it's as part of the announcement not even a word about new primary legislation That's fine for the the current scheme bypass pre-legislative scrutiny. Why? The conversation from ministers for the mica scheme. Let's call it that was, you know, we have to be careful This is taxpayers money. We have to be careful how we spend it. This is just money That's going to come out of the extract and no mention of guilting us into paying for it You know, this government this is going to be multi-year, right? So the majority of this wouldn't even be their problem So they could have given a hundred percent redress to the people who've done a goal may own elsewhere It's over multi years. They might have had to spend a couple of billion But let the next crew sorted out But this Dublin one just fixed like that now. I know there's been some on the ground campaigning for a decade, right? But they didn't have to march through the streets They didn't have to take time off work to try and get some justice in relation to this So there's nothing in this I can understand why they would treat the people of rural Ireland Let's put it like that so differently to the people of the capital You know, there's so much in there that doesn't make sense And it's almost you have to go out of your way to treat people as basely as they did because you could easily announce a fully funded scheme And as I say it's it's over multiple years. It would generate employment. There'd be that There's a million arguments that you could you could justify if you wanted to do it They could have done it Michael. They could have they could have done it, but for some reason they didn't want to You know, that is it and it is it is the fact like and you're going back right to the start Like there were there was rules and regulations on how to make these country blocks And if the government had inspectors there if there are people there to make sure that these blocks will be made You know to the proper standard this problem wouldn't have happened So what is the government that caused this problem? If they if they if they had people in place to Inspect and supervise that these queries are making the country block to the correct standards This problem wouldn't have happened So it is the government that caused it and they're going to have to pay for it and they're going to have to pay for for 100% And this discrimination against people in the west of Ireland and particularly in donny gall It's just totally and utterly Unacceptable and my heart goes out to everybody out there that's living that's living in one of these houses And you know, it is just the it's the it's the huge big picture of it You know where they can't even look for a more attractive interest rate And the you know some of the some of them are owned by debt management companies The interest rates are charging are quite excessive and how can the remortgage just the practice they're living in is valueless Yet the government is sitting there on this legislation doing absolutely nothing about it Doing nothing to help the people in this country. 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Um, what we have It's what i've picked up over the last number of years working on this issue is that You know a lot of um, these citizens are heavily impacted by senior civil servants in the public expenditure department in the housing department and um It was the the the scale of the cost of it and you know They knew that there was going to be other homes across the country as well It doesn't make it right, but it came down to the the level of cost involved But you made the point earlier greg we're talking about doing this over years It's not like it's all getting paid in one year and you spread it out over a number of years and you know In time it won't seem as big an amount of money as it does today So it could have been done. It wasn't done. It came down to cost and I think the senior civil servants behind those two key departments, particularly public expenditure And played a key role in reining in what was allowed to be spent on the scheme And you know, that's why you'll hear ministers trashing out the line Or the the scheme in Dublin is much cheaper because it's a smaller thing to fix And I think that just annoys people more Um, but that's the reason that they're saying that because that's what they're getting told from their advisors So that's just my very anecdotal what I what I what I believe is happening behind the scenes I've not been at those meetings. I can't give you any evidence of that I wasn't at that table, but that's what I think was happening over the last number of years Declan, I got a sense in in in the run-up to the new scheme being announced that there was a bit of I don't know that that that that that that maybe their civil servants were flexing the muscles that they didn't want to be bossed about that it that Maybe they wanted to stick it to the people of of donagall I mean, that's certainly seem to be Indicated by some of the campaigners that were involved. Um, and obviously who who sat in that room I think that maybe it's all too easy to blame civil servants for Government decisions though at the end of the day the minister is responsible for Signing off on a scheme and finalizing it. Uh, the buck stops with him. Um, and I do think that in the lead up to that, um announcement back in november 2021 And I think that he was talking Out of both sides of his mouth. He was saying one thing to campaigners And obviously he was saying another thing to his colleagues at government and and in the department of housing As part of the civil service and and the proof is in the pudding by what he announced And back in november 2021 And it was at odds with what he had promised campaigners but 24 hours before that announcement um So I think that you know, it is very easy for us and and very easy for for, you know People within government in the cogs of government to say or you know, the civil servants actually exert an awful lot of influence there I think If that is the case then you have a weak minister So either way the minister is signing off on it Um, and it's unable to bring civil servants around in which case that's incompetence Or he's complicit with and agrees with the civil servants in which case And it's incompetence because it's not delivering what needs to be delivered either way. It's a failing on the minister's part Um, and you know, there is no two ways about that What we have been left with is a substandard scheme compared to what has now been delivered for dublin There's two things I just want to bring up on that as well The estimated cost for this scheme in dublin is 2.5 billion an average cost of 25,000 for 100,000 properties in and around The estimated cost for the scheme in donningall may all is 3.2 billion You're talking about a difference of 700 million. Um, you're talking about You know a small change in the grand scheme I just think I think it's probably I think there's probably an acceptance though that this scheme Is is perhaps going to be many multiples of that. Uh, once you you look at 13 counties We've also heard now some houses in in the south of the country are starting to show Signs of failure because of these deleterious materials. No, I'm not sure again This would be multi-year and and and whatever I don't think that's I don't think I'm in any way undermining your point in saying that I'm just sort of throwing out there that maybe, you know Yeah, absolutely. I take that point on board I think the but what they have considered it to be Is is certainly not a huge difference between the two the other thing is that They're so concerned with the cost of of this to the taxpayers certainly more so The cost of of rural bills and urban bills to the taxpayer. There's been no shaming around Those who have a defective apartments as opposed to the shaming that has gone on over the years For people who have defective homes in rural Ireland and yet and all they have not done anything to change or to tighten Regulations to prevent this happening or continuing to happen down the line we are aware of defective block homes in Donegal that date from 2016 and 2017 which is years and years after This was first raised at government level as an issue So government have not acted in order to change the regime that's there in order to prevent this happening going forward So, I mean if they're so concerned about costs, why don't they actually put something in place to prevent this happening down the line? They actually don't care about cost. That's actually the bottom line likely if we presume that shin fain or empower in the next Government, let's just presume that for the sake of this conversation We'll probably then find out who runs this country. Is it the elected government or is a Shall we call it a permanent government because shin fain have promised the sun the moon and the stars? And and it'll be up to them to deliver that Yeah, that's That's very good. It's a very good point. Right. There's no doubt about it and I think Declan's point, you know the last point that he that he made there And that is, you know, that really gets back to the crux of the issue Like they're still doing nothing to make sure it's this problem could happen again Like, you know, it is the Irish state that caused this problem by not having people in place To make sure that the building products that were going into houses in this country were up to proper standard And they're still not doing it.  Is it is it, you know, the permanent civil servants a senior civil servants? That's in place, you know in government or is it the elected representatives? Yeah, because my mind goes back to I think, you know from memory I was very young at the time. Mary Horney, you know, when when when she went into government and very quickly said, well, you know Things were worse than things were worse than we anticipated Or, you know, it's harder to change things than you might imagine or whatever But as I say, we're going to find that out probably sooner rather than later Where do you see the balance of power lease between let's just call it a permanent government and an elected government Yeah, it's not where it should be Um, the if we call them the permanent government that the senior civil servants do Play a huge role in policy formation and You know, just just listening to colleagues, um that have got into ministerial roles in this term You know, you just you hear stuff back that oh, you know, I'm kind of giving a speech here I'm told what the line is and you know, it can be quite difficult to challenge because the senior people in those departments They kind of know you're not going to be there for very long All still do was five years. I think the most obvious example of that is the health minister And this is nothing personal against steven donnelly, but really what he Verbalizes is what the hsc tells him or what is the senior? The senior members the senior civil services department. It's very clearly There's just doesn't very little original Original words that come out of his mouth and I don't I'm not saying that as a criticism against it But it's always well I've been told by the hsc this or my department officials have told me that Well, actually the health minister is a good is a good example of somebody that has tried to push back on several occasions And has felt the wrath of those that do not agree with him internally and take for example the whole debacle over the The rapid antitone testing The length of time it took steven donnelly who was pushing pushing for that and the pushback internally was so strong They did not want these tests to test to come out um, so they can they can make it A long road for you to get to where you want to go because they know how the department runs But they don't call it out though for some reason politicians don't call this out I think we're having the conversation in the public month I don't think I can do you wouldn't get a minister say I want to do this But i'm being frustrated by elements within the civil service But then you have somebody saying that you're while you're not fit for your job and you're weak Well, that's it but we need to then find a way that we can Well, someone's going to have to expose it some way down the line I wish I at least I have to go. We have to go. I wish I had another hour It just goes in too quickly because you've just opened up a whole new conversation that we'd love to Yeah, exactly. Senator Lisa chamber. Thanks very much for taking your time to speak to us. It's greatly appreciated Michael Harrison always great to have you on. Thank you very much indeed Retired guardian specter and a cyber threat enthusiast and thankfully we can tap into knowledge in that area from time to time as well Which is great. Thank you, Michael And last but not least Declan me and I really do appreciate your time as well I've got a question came in if you can't find it here now. We'll ask you our fair. It's about A road somewhere close to somewhere and people think you can sort it out So we'll pass that on to you offer and maybe you can all right. Listen. Thank you very much for your time. Take care of yourself Thank you. All right. Bye. Bye. And that's it. 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It's ten o'clock donal kavra at the highland radio news desk Pascal Dunhu's explanation for his failure to declare election expenses lies in totters That's according to shin fane as the public expenditure minister has committed to answering questions in the doll over his dealings with businessman michael stone It follows a doll statement earlier this week, which was meshed with criticism from the opposition shin fane's finance spokesperson donigal td pierce toherty says the minister needs to address outstanding questions I think it's quite telling that the minister has an answer very basic question so like a very simple question that i've asked him now seven times is Did michael stone not only pay for the election posters to be erected in 2016 But did he pay for his election posters to be erected in 2020? Why is the minister refusing to answer that? Well questions have been asked about the possibility of an early general election But the leader of the shannot finna fall to senator lucid chambers this morning poured cold water on that suggestion Speaking on the 9 till noon show senator chambers said there is a widespread feeling that autumn next year Is the most likely time for an election? She said that's a view that she shares would have been due in february 2026 there would be a bit of chat that we would like to avoid a winter election You could see that coming maybe in the latter part of 2024 But it's just speculation because politicians love to speculate about elections and when they might happen I don't see it going any earlier than that being quite honest We've just had the change over in december and I think there's a genuine seriousness within my own party And others as well to want to deliver on the program for government and actually get stuff done So I don't see an election this year Another deadline has passed for the restoration of power sharing in the north It passed at midnight without a deal technically that should trigger fresh elections The northern ireland secretary chris heaton harris hasn't said he'll set a date just yet Efforts are continuing between e.u. Irish and uk officials over the brexit protocol to which the dup is demanding changes There is a renewed optimism that a compromise deal will soon be achieved There are calls for an urgent plan to be put in place for the erection of modular homes in duny gall minister kathryn martin previously suggested up to 17,000 modular homes are to be built in the country Councillor albert da horny whoever says there appears to be no evidence of such he says what this means for duny gall Needs to be made clear that phase one of the modular homes plan would deliver 2000 beds and she continued that the local authority through their vacant homes would deliver a thousand beds And lastly she said that the department of housing with the refurbishment grant would deliver 3000 beds Well, that's close to 7 000 beds And I want to know where is duny gall in this plan? And most of all phase one modular homes Where in duny gall when in duny gall and who for in duny gall The government needs to scale up efforts to tackle the housing and homelessness crisis That's one of the 73 recommendations from the children's rights alliance to the un on ireland's record on children's rights It says the number of homeless children has more than doubled since its last report raised concerns about the rise in child homelessness A local councillor believes the reintroduction of flights to glasgow or edinburgh from duny gall airport would be vital for the county's tourism Chinfeng councillor john hemi shofari says the reintroduction of flights from duny gall airport Would be extremely beneficial to the county's tourism and economy while also benefiting local students traveling to college He believes steps should be taken to explore potential opportunities to find a new airline To provide such flights and now that we're in the diaspora and glasgow glasgow and edinburgh to entice people to come here We definitely need an air connection and the last number of years that has not happened Due to the fact that the airline pulled out and we want a new airline put in place Whether it be airline is or or rain air i know it's Short run away, but i'm sure that the aircrafts that they have they would would be beneficial to correct fin And this would be a beneficial to the local economy as well By introducing these flights back to either glasgow or edinburgh Well the forecast mostly dry with some sunny spells developing cloud increasing by this evening remaining chili in the north with highest temperatures Three to five degrees celsius in light south east breezes, and that's highland radio news for now We're back with news headlines again at 11 o'clock until then from the news team have a very good morning Oh by tree notices for friday morning january 20th The death has taken place in england of rose murphy knee glacken baligorman malin head Roses remains are opposing at her home in baligorman today where you're welcome to pay your respects from 3 p.m To 9 p.m funeral mass will take place tomorrow at 11 a.m In st. 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live there and get involved in the conversation listening to your program on the mica scandal greg surely the government and ministers are appointed to look after the 26 counties not just an area in dublin and this should not come down to what voices are at the cabinet table as per what lisa chambers said that comes in from noreen good morning greg it's about time we had sunset clauses for civil servants these are unelected people running our country how is it allowed to happen another equality for mica homes means rebuild 10 homes in dublin then rebuild 10 homes in donagall some mica homes in the south have been excluded from the scheme the wrong this is wrong any home and irish sore with mica should be included we need balance of equality good morning greg it's heartbreaking that a child has been killed by what has been termed a jealous dog when are people going to learn that dogs are animals which should be kept outside and not inside the house that slipped in sorry it's just on a separate issue congrats to councillor ian macgarve in his retirement after 20 years of public service but the decision to hand on his council seat to his nephew smacks of usual nepotism and undemocratic donagall dynasty politics akin to the politics of a banana republic any elected rep who stands down must be replaced by a rep elected by voters not appointed or anointed by a family member that's true democracy i don't think just given the amount of councillors there are around the country i don't think another election to replace outgoing councillors i'm not sure that's practical again not contradicting you by the way that's just my hot take on it and whomever is co-opted on to the council eventually does have to stand in front of the public but i take your point i'm not saying you're wrong in any way just throwing that out there just to just to see what other people think hi greg not to make light light of it but is there mica on the roads too because after one week of snow they fall apart potholes everywhere or are we just getting cheap tar draw that line on a map from dublin to go away the government don't care about anything above the line health infrastructure public transport and again the families that are most in need bring the government down another great cop at least to blame the civil servants why do we need highly played ministers etc if the civil servants are in charge well what we're going to have to have though if this is going to become a norm of um if this is going to become a norm of political conversation right if there's a big jobs announcement politicians you can stay at home send out the civil servants to welcome the jobs announcement if a new hospital is being built steven donnelly you stay at home let's bring the civil servants out for the photo opportunity if the sods being turned on a new project or a new roads being opened uh aim and ryan not that he wants to open any roads you stay at home or go out in your raha for a scotch let the civil servants cut the tape because if politicians are now going to start lumping some of the blame at civil servants where they're going to have to start giving them some of the credit too aren't they you know horses for courses or whatever the saying is hi greg thank you so much for voicing the cross-border issue yesterday on the radio could you ask the today's guests their opinion on it please i very much appreciate the air time you've given this issue uh just saw that now it's very specific though you know it's really specific and i'm not for one second questioning that my guests wouldn't have an opinion on it but it's um it's very technical uh even as it's being explained you sort of start to realise how technical an issue it is i understand that minister trial in my conalogue may have managed to squeeze us into his diary so hopefully we'll be speaking to him before 11 so if you were thinking of tuning out do not how many affected apartments in Dublin are owned by the vulture funds and considerable how many affected apartments in Dublin are owned by politicians well we know of one he just happens to be the t-shock the extended dend line for two facilitators passed over a week ago was anyone applied for the rules are they still going ahead that's as it relates to the defective concrete scandal the government made this decision because 40 or 50 of the apartments in the county were owned by vulture funds foreign investors and pension funds who have power to influence individual ministers in the government and have the power and money to take action through the court you know what maybe it would be more palatable than if they said that this is part of a back scratching exercise i'm not saying it is but if that's the case you know maybe we could be easier to accept it because at least there'd be some honesty rather than us being made feel uh silly right okay uh michael hold the line there i do have to take a quick break because the bingo numbers are due we're 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meter the 90 noon show is brought to you by letter kenny credit union digital loans now available apply online or via our app today and get your loan transferred directly to your current account now michael good morning to you good morning kig uh what do you think should my microphone's falling out here what do you think should happen next as it relates to the defective concrete scandal well i think the first thing that should happen is we're all aware now that the the politicians and don't like all the public representatives and don't like all have let the people at don't like all down i think it's in the hands now the people at don't like all and the other counties that affected along the western seaboard all of them the resign and block and force the government into a general election uh the people are aware they haven't you know the people are aware now exactly what's happened in dublin that's that's the appease the money people in dublin that's that's paying off the politicians and that's exactly what has happened i don't i'm not casting any aspersion and any politician and don't like all i don't know that but they have failed that only go people the charlie mcconnell always coming on now at 11 o'clock now charlie mcconnell always a government minister and knew exactly what has been happening i'm just holding my breath to see what he's going to come up with as well as the other people in don't like all what he's going to come up with he knew exactly what was happening and he has kept quiet and he's not only dishonored himself he's dishonored the people at don't like all for thinking that we're that stupid and we're not i think the people in don't like all should and mass now uh show mass protest within don't like all mail and along the western seaboard and force these band of criminals out of ireland i don't know who you're referring to that we don't know who you're referring to that but we can't refer to people uh on masses criminals but i understand your frustration and i think i understand the wide appointment is that i don't know who you might be speaking of there and we don't need to get into specifics but you believe then that this is the straw that enough is enough if this if this isn't the straw that has broke the camel's back the people and don't like all and along the western seaboard that have been affected by maker should stop campaigning today and forget all about it for the simple reason why they're not listening they're not listening to the peaceful protest they're not listening to the people of don't like all they're not listening to the families that are affected by maker you know and as well as that the county councillors as well there is a responsible for this as anybody else they have been in on power now there's councillors there have been there 10 15 20 years and there've been councillors so can they do anything michael councillors in fairness i mean i think i don't think there's any one of them that hasn't backed the campaign no they can do absolutely they can do absolutely nothing it's pointless having them there what is the point in having councillors there at 31 32 councillors and don't like all you know yeah and what's the point in having them there they can do nothing for their constituents and don't like all now there's an awful lot of people when they heard this scheme that was announced there during the week about the departments in Dublin getting the full 100 percent readdress and you know it was always wasn't on a goal a full 100 percent readdress but it never was going to be that so the the the buckled it down to 90 10 like with all that members of our families has been affected by maker and there's some of them will never ever ever be able to build their houses again never you know and that's that's that's good do you know what's going to happen do you know what's going to happen though in donnygold and probably elsewhere and maybe it's already happened to michael there's going to be a small band of people now hear me out this is not you can say i'm wrong it's for conversation there's going to be a small band of people like you that say right enough is enough we need to take to the streets i think it'll be relatively small in number um then we're going to have a group of people that will vote along party lines consistently anyway no matter what happens they're not going to switch necessarily from fina fourth in a gale or labour to shin fane and that's that one group and then i think the over 50 group 55 percent of people are shrugging their shoulders and just say this is just the way it is what's the point i'm not even going to vote there's no point anymore the whole thing is a farce we're forgotten here i'm not even going to waste my time going to the last lake local national school uh uh to cast a vote and there's no point protestant because they don't listen anyway i think the problem here is the the majority in donnygold now it's going to be apathetic people people that don't care anymore they don't think there's any point in any of it well there's a lot of people i understand there's a lot of people thinking that way and they're disillusioned i'll tell you you know the people that's not affected by mica are disillusioned how are the people that are affected how do they feel i don't think i i think you know the going to doblin and marching up and in the corner state and i was there take it from me i was there i was at a few of the protest and i've been there and supported members of my family that have got the mica and at the time has come for it to start at the very very bottom you know there's nobody and there will be never nobody probably held responsible for this and it starts with the donnygold county council it starts with the planners and enforcement and nobody has been held accountable you know the county council you know the counselors haven't held anybody responsible but even in the doblin scheme there's no accountability i mean you know let's say whoever whomever or whoever is responsible for these defects are not having to put their hand in their pocket they're not going to have to fund this in any way shape or form there's no talk either of some sort of a levy or what have you the way the doblin announcement has been discussed and related to the public how different it is to the let's call it the donnygold announcement it's it's blatant it's so blatant michael listen thanks for your time i really appreciate it and very well articulated thank you so much thank you great all right okay well we'll see how inclined we are to protest tomorrow the weather is clearing up tomorrow the road should be pretty clear come one o'clock saturday afternoon hopefully they are there is a protest or a day of action or a demonstration outside letter kenny we spoke to mary t swiney chair of the dr kenny hospital campaign last week i believe it was and mary t rejoins us on the program now as i say you know i suppose we'll we'll see how angry we are or how motivated we are tomorrow mary t well greg can i just let my voice of of discuss to what's happening with the unfair allocation of funding where donnygold has been neglected again but can i ask as well that people considering changing tactics in the mica campaign and they don't care about family homes so why not look at the structures that have been built that are public structures the building that deals with the housing for lyford for donnygold county council is riddled with mica in the corners are all obviously all cracked and open when i was in lyford at the last day of action what about our hospital that has had a huge new construction there in the last 20 years a wonder is that safe perhaps we should start looking at these public service schools and hospitals and seeing if they care about those and identifying and putting labels outside the buildings and saying my home has mica people are still buying property in letter kenny that don't realize the houses of mica well i'm really troubled by i'm really troubled by houses being sold in donnygold that have mica and it's not stated on the advertisement i am familiar with three cases of that it has to be proven so it's it's not very easy to talk about specifics on on a radio show because you have to be very clear because there's people involved in in the sale the selling of that but that's hard to believe that that's that's what's going on that some people's forever home they're actually going to end up inheriting this nightmare because i find it hard to believe if someone who has mica doesn't know the of mica and i find it hard to believe in the state agent wouldn't know a house has mica but anyway listen we your points noted as it relates to sharing the frustration and anger and and and the suggestion as it relates to a maybe a a branch of the campaign if not a redirection of it but our focus for the next little while maritee is going to be on the day of action at letter kenny university hospital tomorrow at 1 p.m i mean i don't know if the if if the size of the turnout really it doesn't really matter does it if it's about who can squeeze the time out of the day to get out i don't know let's start positive greg let's call the people out let's implore them to give their dinner hour for one hour tomorrow from one o'clock to two o'clock we've invited all our councillors all our politicians it's up to them if they wish to come we've invited the deputies please come along if you're interested because at the moment the crisis is going from worse to worse the staff are under significant pressure and there's nobody speaking up the reality is if you go into the hospital with a clipboard you could spend a full 48 hours finding out really what needs to be fixed but there's nobody listening to the staff we have got to say to ourselves how much more can we take that the hse is not working their system is not working the internal people i'm talking to said the northwestern health board when it operated you could lift the phone when there was a problem and you got somebody that you knew at the end of the phone now with the hse it's ubiquitous you can't you don't know who's who there's so many jobs for the boys in the middle of all this we need to stop it and have a bit of sense and start looking at the number of staff we're losing the skills set that we're losing we need to say to our nurses that we're told yeah there's definitely jobs for you here and there's not jobs for them there yet we need them there so you're saying tomorrow's demonstration is as much about supporting the staff and their working conditions as it is protesting the general state of the health service Greg if you don't have a good team we can't have a good service it really is our hospital and we really need to take control and stand up and say i can't have any more people sitting in an ambulance for 12 hours and another ambulance has to come along and take that patient and let one service go home ambulances are sitting queued at the door people elderly people sick people sitting 24 hours there's a multitude of stories coming into me i'm sure you know most of them but people you're invited to come tomorrow if you need a forum to explain your story mental health is in crisis the a&e department is in crisis we need to rethink the whole structure and not to just throw money at something that is formed wrong right and as you said the last time there's no political balance at this this is but bring your message if it's a health service if it's the children's services if it's mental health if it's just the a&e waiting time if it's just support the nurses and doctors you know i understand we've lost a number of excellent consultants in the last couple of years because of the pressures and and people are not being listened to in the services inside the hospital and they must be listened to might okay order management needs to be reformed it's obviously not working let's restructure it let's get the people working at every level in there to the board of management that they're given authority to make changes on the ground in letterkenny hospital to suit and support our community our team in the hospital and the potential patients from around donnie go right so you're asking for an hour from people tomorrow between one and two letterkenny university hospital to support the staff and to protest the state of the health service and if you want to bring out a placard or something it's an apolitical protest mary t assures us uh but if you want to bring a placard to support the nurses or what have you uh then you're welcome to do so right we shall see uh mary t thanks for your time again this morning i would like to say if you ask in charlie mcconnellow when he comes on he's been invited let him come and speak let the other deputies come and speak and say what they're going to do we have a northwest regional health forum or or representatives are sitting on it our counselors are on it why have they not been given the power to all the speeches tomorrow mary t other speeches there they are some of them are coming they have identified they're coming so hopefully we will be there who's speaking at the moment the end of jerry mcconnellow but he's the chair of the northwest regional forum health forum i understand he has identified that he's coming and uh beddy holmes from the cancer action group is coming and all the ministers have contacted me to have to say that they're coming right mary t thank you very much for your time take care of yourself mary t sweeney chair of the letterkenny hospital campaign watch the show live now on youtube facebook and at highland radio dot com the nine till noon show with letterkenny credit union now offering mortgages from 40 000 to 600 000 euro with no hidden fees or transaction charges letterkenny credit union 9102127 there's still time to experience the unmissable magic of winter in dublin 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hadn't issued a red weather warning road safety authority saying if you don't want to lose your money get out on those dangerous roads secondly we spoke to a gentleman who couldn't go to get his second nct test because his van failed the first time because the roads were too dangerous and he now is facing into paying for a full retest as a result of gain there would have been a bit of lenience if there was a red weather warning so there's certainly lack of subtlety there right okay um we've we're having we're having some success in some areas of that so i'll update you on that uh because caroline's been working away in the background but anyway those are the two issues right so uh let's talk to susan gray now founding member of park good morning to you susan thanks for joining us today good morning great right now talking about nct tests what we're seeing at the moment is is that people are trying to book their tests and getting uh dates months in advance are you saying that if that is the case then that test should be free well we looked at the customer charter and the nct website and it said that drivers that can't be offered an nct appointment within 28 days will be provided with a free test no drivers have been given free tests we put the information up on twitter and facebook and our team picked up on us they contacted us last week and they raised the question with the road 50th already asking them how many people have been given a free test that due to the fact that rsa couldn't provide a test within 21 days they asked for figures for 2022 last year the reply came back zero free tests were given out but uh susan i mean if that is the case and we've no reason to doubt it and the charter does state that that means there's hundreds of thousands if not millions of euro owed to irish motorists because this money was taken off them in bad faith well um james o'connor td porfina poin picked up on us he was interviewed by our team along with ourselves last sunday and on wednesday europe the dial resumed the european transport committee which james is a member of they had a meeting and they decided it was such a serious issue that they would have to invite dora say in next wednesday to explain why people are not getting the free test we've just been told that dora say has declined the offer to attend this is such a serious issue it really is how can they refuse to attend they've declined the what mr o'connor said on drive 10 yesterday the rsa has the roots of the authority has declined the request to attend the european transport committee next week to explain why drivers have been charged for nct tests when they're waiting for over 28 days for the appointment especially when the nct charter states and i've already told you what it says it now um just lost for words great that they have declined now mr o'connor has urged them to attend the committee at some stage do you think that would appear great that dora says answerable to nobody do you think they're fit for purpose anymore than without all of your dealings with them no we had over the years our confidence and respect reduced greatly with the road certificates started especially after gay born god rest his soul and no breath left dora say we worked so well with and they called a spade a spade and now the new sam wade and dora say he asked us for meetings over the past year we don't believe there's any point but we agreed last february just a year ago to have a meeting yes we asked him one question greg we've so many outstanding issues we asked him how many drivers have they got on their ghost file the ghost file is contains drivers where the road safety authority and transport cannot match a disqualified driver what their license driver number and if they can't marry the the person with the license a hundred percent they can't and put that information on to the transport did you get that figure he said he would no problem he would he understood exactly what we're talking about and he would get michael roman and dora said send us information we've received no information now we were we are continually and advise for a better word um not to be going to media not to be raised in parliamentary questions who advises you of that well i was supposed to suggest that by the rsa and that to work directly with them to iron out any issues we have we're back to raising parliamentary questions now through kathryn morphing and we asked they try and stifle and and mute and cover up the voice of campaign groups they refuse to go in in front of iraq this committee's it's quite the charge isn't it yes and now kathryn morphing's not getting replies to our pqs we've asked true a pq how many is in the ghost file how many i res license holders are on their ghost file we've asked too many times authority must match that that's a different issue whereby the allocate a disqualification to a certain person but they have the wrong license number okay so that person doesn't disqualify listen we asked them any mismatches they're not we're not getting information great where do we go from here well we'll we'll we'll we'll stay in touch with you we'll make our own inquiry with them thank you very much indeed susan gray founding member of park there some more of your comments here finafoil and finnegale has two seats in donagall they don't care if they're lost because they're only interested in doubling seats by doing this repair job in the apartments they'll pick up two seats in dublin to make up for their losses in donagall micah issue was a problem created by finafoil with a lack of regulation we now expect them to fix it what was done this week is nothing short of scandalous people of donagall should not forget this come the next election but as i say what most people will do is not vote let's uh the people forget about how the government treatment of the people of donagall in the west came the next election we will remind them kind regards shamus newtown conningham i think maybe uh as we approach the next election a big focus should be try to try and encourage as many people as possible to vote now not how they might vote i'm not saying whether they should vote of course i wouldn't say which parties or no parties for that matter they should vote but we need to do something collectively don't we to take control so that we can say right 75 percent of us went out and this is what we believe maybe that would empower us then to stand up for ourselves a bit more now we're very good at standing up for ourselves as we saw with the big demonstration in dobblen but you know what i mean you know like if 50 odd fifth what was the turn out for the last election i i believe it was in the mid 50s maybe i'm wrong because it's hard i might be mixing up council and general but i'll get the stats during the break but you know like so then you say well then how many people voted for which parties and then you you find that you know what 25 percent of 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i'd love to see ireland west airport a mostly dry day with sunny spells preferably in the rearview wing where it's beautiful it's quick but just to be getting away a mostly dry day with sunny spells developing though cloud will increase by evening remaining chilly in the north with highest temperatures three to five degrees in light south east breezes good morning minister charlie mcconnellog minister for agriculture food and the marine thanks for joining us good morning Greg right okay so um do you think what was your what was your emotions or feelings around the cabinet table when you heard this 100 redress scheme with you know money for people who had already done repairs up to a certain standard to be made available to them everything that you perhaps were arguing around the ministerial table for your own constituency what was your feelings on the day when this was green lit and agreed by government 2.5 billion not a complaint to be had from anyone affected by these faults in these apartments what how did it make you feel well it's it's it's important that there is a scheme to support people who have who are living in multi-unit developments apartments and and duplexes for example who have either defective um either water ingress or fire issues or mike or pyrite in those apartments to have haven't fixed and it's really important as well and the approach the government has taken is is is about being equitable um and um trading similarly the water has been provided really importantly in donnie gall and mayo and the other and those four counties have a particularly our own county that that they actively treated with others as well so and really importantly obviously the the mica scheme um doesn't apply um to apartments or duplexes so there's been there was a gap there in our own county in relation to those who are living in apartments not having a scheme which will cover them so this scheme now which will apply all across the country will mean that people in donnie gall who are living in apartments will be able to get um and that of mica will be able to get their apartment fixed under this scheme do you accept that this scheme announced during the week is a better scheme than the scheme that was announced for donnie gall and other counties i think it's i think it's um uh as similar as it possibly can be i think the main distinction is in relation to the retrospective aspect so it's also a hundred percent minister with respect this scheme is 100 percent for dublin so so was so like like with the mica scheme um in relation to the that this this particularly known apartment scheme it for it is to fix um to the standard that would have been applying at the time so apartment was built in 2002 or 2005 uh what the scheme does is it fix and covers the cost of fixing it too far would have applied at the time the apartment was built so it's the same principle as there in relation to the mica the one the one significant difference and and uh it's a welcome one because it's one which i had fought for previously and one which i've now secured a commitment that will apply to mica as well is in relation to the retrospective aspect so um we have a number of properties and many of which i would have dealt with when i was in opposition it would have weren't able to wait for the scheme to come into place um and had to go ahead and do their work um so now in relation to the apartment scheme has come forward if there is the retrospective element to that and the cabinet on Wednesday i secured the commitment that that will also apply in relation to mica so similar treatment in relation to the terms and conditions will be applying to apartments for retrospective but that will also be applied in relation to the mica scheme so that's an important and welcome step and i mean is that the public to me before the scheme before the scheme was launched are people aware of that or have you just announced that or is that that that's the retrospective element of this will apply to defective concrete block i think that the the t-shirt we're in the doll yesterday um made a response uh outlining that and i'm clarifying it to you here as well that's something i secured and ensured with the kiss yeah that's happening so let me ask you though minister we just put a bit but great just to finish the key principles the key principles here in relation to this this defective scheme and fairness lots of the work that was done in relation to securing you know the terms and conditions that we have for the mica scheme has been applied similarly now to the defective apartment scheme and the one key difference particular difference in relation to retrospection thankfully now we also have that for them we'll also have that for the mica scheme so but but in terms of the the government approach here it is about ensuring that all of those who find themselves and and which we know better than anyone in this country very difficult circumstances in relation to having a home which is not part of what should have been get the support in relation to having so you you are satisfied and this is that your actual opinion that that the people of donna gall let's just because we're in donna gall so we'll talk about so you are you are of the belief the actual opinion you believe this that the people of donna gall are being even given equal treatment to the people under the apartment scheme you actually you will argue that they are this is equally fair to both sets of people well well the apartment scheme first of all and this is really important i'm not sure anyone's really mentioning this the apartments the scheme that went through cabinet on wednesday applies to donna gall as well you've said that already but i'm asking you i'm asking you i'm asking you if you actually believe that the people of donna gall are being treated equally to primarily the people in dublin under the apartment scheme it's a simple question do you believe there's a quality there the same the same principles that we all fought hard for to get in relation to the mica scheme gregg those same principles now are informing the uh the the the apartment scheme obviously there is differences in relation to how the apartment schemes can be managed compared to individual homes so it would be the grant will go to the management company which which is instead of the homeowner so we don't really need to talk about the workings so then in relation to so in relation and the principle then is about fixing it to the standard it should have been at the time so in relation to whenever the apartment was was was actually put in place it's about fixing the defect that was there to the standard that should have been the standard whenever the apartment was built so again that's the same principle okay now in terms of the cost yes in terms of the costs right you your constituencies your neighbours your friends okay cannot go on this scheme because they can't find 40 or 50 000 euro there's older people who cannot go on this scheme because they can't get access to borrowing there's young children in homes in your constituency they're your neighbours and friends okay that can't get out of houses with black mold in them that's killing their children or seriously damaging their children's health over the long term we have people that are no longer with us because they couldn't take the mental pressure of the situation they're in that's the scheme that you're defending in Donegal in Dublin primarily they are getting and some of the morning we have to worry about it because the management will worry about it they're getting 100% redress how can you how can you come on and defend that honestly and I mean I'm not sure if you've been listening to me that great the principle is the same and it's the fixed to the standard that would have been placed at the time the apartment was built and likewise that the principle that was established on what caps on it so obviously when you come to apartment blocks it's it's a different situation is it all either either all of it has to be done or none of it has to be done so in really obviously we're expecting maybe the estimate is maybe potentially 100 000 properties we'll have some level of defect the average the average expected cost for the scheme is 25 000 euro but of course the actual where the ones which the the actual multi-unit developments which are likely to have the higher cost and have a have a higher cost than what that average would be of 25 000 is likely to be those of either a mic or a pirate because the level of damage obviously as we know and is there a cap on that is way more so potentially for example you could have to demolish a multi-unit apartment block and it's in those instances when you'd actually have the where the biggest cost would be in what's the cap on what is the cap on it what's the cap on on the scheme so well I mean the thing was that let's say if an apartment block has mica and really only been the case of mica prior to this would happen if the apartment block has mica and it's so bad that it can't be that it's not possible to be remediated then it would have to be actually tossed and yes so either you do that or either you don't do that okay um there's no half rebuilding an apartment block and it's and and and the only thing with the house and don't go so where is the cap yes where is the cap on this for for for a department block so if there's a multi-unit I mean and as I say this would be specifically in my mind you don't need the only circumstances I see this is really for its mic or a pirate so if it's for its mic or a pirate I want if there's an apartment block that has to be for a multi-unit complex which has to be demolished all I want to see it rebuilt I don't want to see it in a situation where there's a cap there which would mean that no all of those just wouldn't be able to be done where is that where is the cap so where so so there's no so you you think it's okay right that this everyone here has been wrong the same way lack of regulation lack of oversight lack of enforcement all as a responsibility of local authorities the government none of none of it right why are some people in this country the closer they live to leo for a car and the rest of them why are they getting their apartments fixed retrospectively and why then are people in done a goal your backyard not able to get their houses fixed well yeah so no listen I mean again again as I say that I mean in Dublin the the defects seem to be primarily fire defects or water ingress so they're fixable the the average cost is expected to be 25,000 why do you keep mentioning the cost minister no because I'm bringing it back to our own situation but because because the scheme also covers mica or pirate and that instance obviously you could have to have a whole department apartment block demolished or a multi-unit or duplexes in Donegal for example demolished if it has mica so therefore it's important that actually and I think it would be rare to see you know for me to argue against actually or to argue in favor putting a cap in place which would mean no no we want you to argue no we want you to argue to get rid of the cap up here actually this scheme actually covers mica and pirate homes properly so that any apartments or in these duplexes we haven't done at all that they're fully fixed under this scheme because the current mica scheme doesn't apply where it's multi-unit so you're standing over this government decision you back this government decision you think it's equal to the people primarily of Dublin the vulture funds the foreign investors use that you think this is fair you think the people as I've explained right it's the same principle so it's fair the one key change which I welcome I also secured that key change to apply to the mica scheme so that the that that retrospective will also apply to the mica scheme so listen I just want you to tell me please rather than just referencing back to to the principal if you don't mind if you don't want to that's fine I can't compel you to do anything I'm just asking you to answer me this question do you believe that this is fair do you believe the people of Donegal are being treated the same as the people in Dublin primarily who own these apartment blocks I'm just asking you if you think it's equal and if it's fair it's the same the approach to the government is to be equitable in both situations and you believe they've achieved that the precedent the precedent that we set and we thought hard the commoner spot hard I thought hard a cabinet the precedent we set and established in relation to mica is now being applied as well in relation to the defective apartments the one key progress we've made which was really important was the retrospective and that's going to be and the security cabinet that will be applied to mica as well in the same way it is applied to the defective apartment blocks so now in relation to the defective apartment block what will happen there now is primary legislation will have to be introduced over the course of this year to enable that in the same way that we introduced legislation last year last july to enable pre-legislative scrutiny do you think I would expect you live the similar process to what happened in relation I'll tell you I'll click this and we'll come back to that statement yeah well that'll be a matter for the doll to decide but but but I suppose the key thing is a lot of the principles are established because of the mica scheme and the fact that that legislation is in place so the defective apartment blocks now are behind obviously you know a year a year and a year and a half behind where the mica scheme was up because that legislation will have to be introduced over the course of this year it's expected to be the latter part of the year when the legislation comes through so my key focus in the meantime now is making sure that we drive on and implement the mica scheme real progress not when just let me let me finish great please we made real progress in that over the course of the autumn I've been meeting on a monthly basis with the county council with my own team of county councillors to unlock the challenges over there in relation to getting answers once again and applications thankfully we're over the last couple of months we've been homeowners have been getting answers so that they can get get get engaged with their with their with with contractors and get them employed also now the regulations were provided to the local authorities just before christmas for their feedback that'll be provided then following on from that to homeowners for their feedback as well to actually do the transition and everybody who's currently progressing in the scheme will get the full benefit of those regulations and that that increased the costings whenever those regulations come into place so this night continue to work hard and this is the number one priority for me um and we're making real progress and equity is central and as I say in relation to the retrospective piece which is the key difference um uh I secured that account that once is that will apply to mica as well all right thanks for your time this morning take care of yourself that's minister for agriculture food to the marine charlie mcconnellogue the 90 noon show with letter kenny credit union now offering my cu current account and debit mastercard bringing full banking features delivered with the same local trustworthy service of your credit union if you have magic moments or great memories sitting on your phone or in the cloud have them printed at mcgee's chemist letter kenny get larger seven by five prints for the same as six by fours 35 millimeter and film from disposable cameras also printed and digitalized use the in-store kiosk download the mcgee's photo prints app or visit mcgee's dot i e photos printed instantly 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let's get a news update first and say good morning to donald mary daherty thanks gregg good morning for the second day in a row there has been a big decrease in the number of people awaiting beds at letter kennie university hospital there are currently 20 people in trolleys eight in the emergency department and 12 on wards elsewhere yesterday there was 35 people awaiting trolleys at letter kennie university hospital a drop of 15 today the hsc is reporting a drop in the numbers of people presenting with respiratory infections nationally there were 1836 new confirmed covid-19 cases reported during week two of 2023 this is a decrease of 47.2 percent compared to 3474 confirmed covid-19 cases notified last week 105 cases of covid-19 were reported in donigal last week the organizers of a national day of action against hospital overcrowding are urging people to turn out for a demonstration outside letter kennie university hospital tomorrow the event at one o'clock is over is over is one of over 20 simultaneous protests taking place outside acute hospitals local organizers mary daherty's sweeney says one of the key issues being highlighted is the fact that staff at hospitals are not being listened to questions have been asked about the possibility of an early general election but leader of the shanad finna fall senator leisard chambers said this morning poured cold water on that suggestion speaking on this morning's nine to noon show senator chambers said there is widespread feeling that autumn that autumn next year is the most likely time for an election and that is a view she shares last night seen another deadline for the restoration of power sharing in the north past without a deal technically that should trigger fresh elections however northern ireland secretary chris heaton harris says he won't set a date just yet party leader dog betty mc ml a says he urged the uk government to resist settling on a deal to include negotiations but to ensure the protocol is replaced with something that will protect northern ireland's place in the uk internal market finally a local councillor believes the reintroduction of flights to glasgow or edinburgh from dunagall airport is vital for the country's tourism shin fian councillor john shamos ofari says the reintroduction of flights from dunagall airport would be extremely beneficial to the county's tourism and economy while it would also benefit local students traveling to either location he believes steps should be taken to explore potential opportunities to find a new airline to provide the flights that's the headlines back with news again at 12 noon okay donna mary thank you very much indeed another amazing aldi offer our grow with algae program in association with board bia is now in its sixth year it offers upcoming irish producers the opportunity to supply aldi stores nationwide it's great news for our customers too because they get to support local irish suppliers and businesses if you've got a product you want to tell the whole country about apply now and find out more at aldi.ie forward slash grow applications closed 30th of january aldi every day irish every day amazing okay thanks to all of you who have been messaging in and texting in as it relates to the last hour on our interview with the minister there it is a topic of course that we're going to be returning to on monday here's a little bit it's been a heavy stressful week so we're going to ease you into the weekend here now in the company of michael leddie writer and blogger good morning to you michael leddie writer and blogger and fenula or rabbit good morning thank you very much for joining us so you as well very good now bar i'm freezing yes not in here though no not in here just well two months i haven't i don't know i haven't well uh some part of me thinks i haven't been warm since 2014 since i moved up here but this week is definitely testing me i'm coming here michael as a walker you probably haven't left the house this week have you yeah there's been days where i just didn't if i didn't have to leave