Agriculture on the move. Agriculture on the move, ma'am. Agriculture on the move. Agriculture on the move. Agriculture on the move, ma'am. Agriculture on the move. Agriculture on the move, ma'am. Good day, viewers, and welcome to the program, Agriculture on the Move. My name, Philip Sidney, your host. Today, we are discussing the contribution made by the government and people of Taiwan to the agricultural sector in St. Lucia. If I may recall, the Taiwan Technical Mission came to St. Lucia somewhere in 1982, and they were established in VFOR, that is the propagation station. And that's where I, myself, became aware of the many melon cultivars that were available, the seedless one, I was not available to that, and also the various colors that cultivars that were present. And then they came up to Union Station, where they were established. And of course, the Orchid Garden, they had the Tushok culture, the tree crop program on the outside, the Orchard. We also had the meat processing facility assistance, the assistance to the banana sector. And we also have trading of farmers, the trading of officers, of course, the seven crop program, first and second phase, and subsidiary to farmers. And the list goes on and on. And here with me is my distinct pleasure to introduce to you the Taiwan Ambassador, his Excellency Peter Chen. Welcome to the program, sir. Thank you for having me, and go after him and all the viewers. Definitely. So you've been here for the past two years? Yes. And also you love St. Lucia, right? Yeah. Okay, there are so many activities that under your watch, that you have implemented in assisting the Ministry of Agriculture. But we can remember post COVID pandemic, and of course, the war in Ukraine, inputs to the farmers became very, very expensive, okay? That also increased the cost of production. And by extension, the cost of purchasing the items became very high. Where did Taiwan come in to give some assistance, some reprieve to the farmers? Yeah, Taiwan worked very closely with Ministry of Agriculture. And so as Ministry of Agriculture, we know the difficulty that farmers encounter. So we work closely with the Ministry and we provide input to St. Lucia and farmers that including organic fertilizer, liquid fertilizer, ground cover, plastic mulch, PMOS. And we also work closely with the Ministry of Agriculture to have input sales. So this year, we will also host four times. And when the date confirmed, we will announce the time and the venue. So we welcome all the farmers to look closely of our Facebook or the information from the Ministry. Great. So they get these inputs at a reduced rate? Yes. Okay. We also work with the Ministry to sell the inputs in a relatively cheap and subsidiary price to local farmers and hopefully to reduce some of their burden. Definitely. I noticed that, you know, of course, the Ministry is very concerned about our food import bill. It is soaring every day, especially our basics that we can grow here, our vegetables, our cabbage, our lettuce, et cetera. And how can your government and your technical team assist the farmers in ensuring that we can do certain things to reduce our food import bill? Yeah, I've seen, like, every time we heard Minister Prosper mentioned and stressed about food security. So that's very important. And I've seen also priority for most of the countries. And the agriculture program that we always administer, the main purpose is to increase the production and also increase the farmer's income. And that I think will realize food security in long term. So in that regards, we work with the Propagation Division and Extension Officer of the Ministry try to help local farmers. For example, we provide seedlings to farmers. And just last week I joined Minister Prosper to provide some seedlings for farmers to buy also in a relative... At a reduced rate. Yeah, at a rate, yeah, to help them to grow more local production. Definitely. And I also saw the minister in our food and nutrition security drive also looked at easing the farmers with small equipment like sprayers. And I noticed that you will give some to them. Yes, just like last week's handover, not only as I mentioned, seedlings we also provide some small equipment. And we try to help farmers to use this small technology or small equipment to produce more local crops. Definitely. And help them to reduce some burden. Definitely, definitely. You would have realized that climate change is there. Yes. And of course it's affecting everyone. And most so the farming community. It's either we have droughts or we have flooding. In what way is the government giving assistance in that regard? Yeah, I think just as you say, climate change is real. And we try very hard to help farmers adapt this climate change or severe weather. And in our first phase, 7-Cross Project, we try to introduce a greenhouse irrigation system or try to introduce some variety, different variety of crops to help adapt that situation. But I believe watch is critical for farming. So that's why the second phase of 7-Cross Project we try to set up 100 irrigation system during this five-year project period. But for that we need collaboration between ministry, between farmers, and also with our technical mission. So very soon we will have a stakeholder dialogue with farmers in Miku next week and try to get more information how we can successfully set up this public irrigation system. Great, very good.  They need to be replaced because we need continuity in our agricultural production system. We need to be hopefully long the road to be self-sufficient as it were. We need to get young people on board. We need to get them trained. We need to accept the fact that agriculture is key for country. We need to feed ourselves. But then I don't think they want to come in into an agriculture system looking at all-time equipment. They need to have IT and everything modernized for agriculture. How are you all going to assist in that area? Aging problem in agriculture is not only a problem in Taiwan and in Senutia, I think in many countries. I think one of the main challenges is the stereotype of farming. People think it's not a very interesting job, or it needs intensive, heavy work. So that's something we need to change. And I think that's also Honorable Minister Prosperous's idea to introduce technology into agriculture. For example, last year, we import four terrors and four land cultivators. And we will work with Ministry of Agriculture to have a demonstration in the small machinery expo to try to introduce this technology to young farmers or youths to attract them to get into this industry. And we also think that it should be a start earlier. So we will work closely with Ministry of Education and Ministry of Agriculture to try to combine their efforts to implement some IoT devices into a secondary school campus, including simply equipped wager stations, soil sensors, temperature and humidity sensors, solar panels. So that will help students and young farmers to know farming when they don't have much experience in farming, just like me, to get into the agriculture industry easily. And so that's how we make farming or agriculture more interesting and more attractive to young people. Definitely. Let's go back to the seven-crop program and, of course, the first phase and the second phase. The first phase was a success based on what we know. And that's why you came in and you gave another chance for a second phase. You pumped in about $10 million in that regard. So all the implements that you have given, it is to enhance the seven-crop program. Yes. Because the first seven-crop program, we try to increase the production of crops and also increase farmers' income. But at the second phase, we try to make a more variety of different crops and also try to increase the production and also consumption of local products. So we try to reduce, in that way, we try to reduce impoverished and also try to achieve the full security goal. And that's what we often say, the 25. 25. Yes, yes, yes. Part of that whole seven-crop program, there are a number of components in there. I know there is the farmer field school training program for farmers. And will that be continuing? Yes. I think we will have more activity, more wash up. And last year, I actually attended most of the farmers' market. And this year, we will also have farmers' market, I think, from March to October and each one for each month. And the first one in March will be in Miku. And then, I believe, will be in Constitution Power. And then we will select a couple of good locations. Try to, one way, showcase farmers' products. And the other way is try to revitalize or try to help local economy. Definitely. But the farmers' market that you have had over the years along the island, in your evaluation, do you believe it has been a huge success? I think we see great journey progress. I think now more and more people know farmers' market. I think we just need to have more promotion and more collaboration between ministry, between technical mission, and also local constituency council. Try to make it more like to have people get information earlier so that we can guarantee the success of each farmers' market. Great. So in terms of the schools, how are you getting involved in really assisting the schools in the agricultural programs? Many schools have their school garden or campus garden. I think that's a very good way to help children learn agriculture or learn this industry in the early age and also to create some interest for the young people. And I think that the Taiwan Technical Mission can provide good technical knowledge or know-how assistance to the students to help them get into and know more about agriculture. I know you mentioned earlier on the various varieties and cultivars that are adaptable to the climate conditions. Are you all hoping to bring down new varieties to assist the farmers, the schools in adventure? I think that we will always consider to bring new variety, new species that will be more resilient to the climate change. So I think that's the direction. Definitely. And we will try very hard to work closely with the ministry and to try to locate what is the exact variety that is good for farming in solution. Very good. OK, we are due for a break. You are watching Agriculture in the Move. Stay tuned. Back soon. The Ministry of Agriculture, fisheries, food security and rural development is placing heavy emphasis on the concept of food security. It's our prosperity, our future. The enhancement of the efficiency of production distribution supply chain in the fruit and vegetable sector project, more commonly known as the seven crops project, is intended to increase local production of all selected crops and decrease our food import bill through the diversification of the agricultural sector and increased production of the targeted crops. Among the provisions are subsidized input sales, seedling distribution, introduction of new varieties, introduction to new technology, erection of weather stations and capacity building. For more on the seven crops project, contact the project coordinator at 468-8122. Welcome back to the program, Agriculture on the Move. Of course, with me, my guest is His Excellency Peter Chen, Taiwan's ambassador. And of course, we're talking about the areas they have assisted the agricultural ministry with various programs and projects assisting the farmers and of course the schools in that regard. So I remember you had a very keen interest in looking at our agro-processing in St. Lucia. The ministry have had many festivals.  What made you come up with that idea? I think when we help farmers to increase their production, the other way that we can help farmers through food processing. Because I saw a lot of mango trees in St. Lucia. But not many people really utilize mango for food processing or to make new products. So that's why when I talk with the honorable minister Prosper about that, we come up with the idea to have a mango festival. So also, mango is one of my favorite fruits, so that's why. And I think mango festival is a hit and even my wife contributes some of her private recipes. Definitely. In fact, I notice the schools were participated in that regard. I think that's a brilliant idea to have school join this mango festival or all different kinds of festivals. So your children or students, they always have innovation idea or creative idea. We are very happy that they can join and we make the mango festival more brilliant and more attractive to people. Part of the seven crops program, the second phase, I noticed you had eggplants on board. You also had the schools coming in to do some menus in eggplants. Again, tell us about this. Eggplant is very nutrition and eggplants can grow very well on the island. And in Senusia, there's plenty, a different variety of eggplants. But I think it's the same as mango that not many people really think of how to make good utilize of eggplants. So that's also part of the idea of consumption, more local production and reduce impoverished. So that's why Taiwan Technical Mission cooperates with the Ministry of Agriculture and also Southeast Community College. Invite some of the secondary school or primary school to come up with some idea about how to utilize eggplant to make different food like normal dishes or even sweets or even cake. That's really amazing to have eggplant sweets. And it's really delicious. And I'm really glad that all these students, teachers come up with very, very good idea. And I think when people notice that you can actually use eggplant to produce all different kinds of food, that eggplant will become a very popular vegetable on the island. Definitely. The other one I noticed that you had keen interest in, too, was the production of mushrooms. Yes. Yes. And I must say, mushrooms over the years, we began this some years ago. But it never took root until my good friend up in the Babono area, I think he called his business the Fungi Fungi or something like that. And he has been vigorously marketing his mushrooms around the island. And I think with that in mind, I mean, mushroom has been consumed here on a regular basis at the hotels and the restaurants and even at the homes. So your contribution in assisting that program, how did you come up with this? Mushroom is a lucrative crop on the island. When I visit supermarket, it's about 25 EC per pound. And there's a market on the island. And it's actually the project that initiated by IECA, Inter-American Institute for Corporation on Agriculture. And we cooperate, our technical mission cooperate with IECA to promote this project and invite farmers to start growing mushroom. And mushroom is a very nutrition vegetable. And I believe we can create a very good market on the island. And I believe very soon we will have mushroom festival. Yes. I think it's somewhere in June, I think. I think so. Yeah. It's the year four. I know you contributed meaningfully to the banana industry on the island. There was a program last year. So I know it came to an end. But can you give me an evaluation from your standpoint of your contribution to ensure that the banana sector got to where it's at today? Yes. Banana is a very important fruit on the island, or agriculture production on the island. And I think in the beginning, we have a project that addressed the disease of banana, Cicatoga disease. And that's, I think, a successful project trying to help to get rid of that disease. And a second banana project is trying to increase the production of banana. And I believe we all reach our goal of the two projects. So that's why last year, the project end. And we will include the production and also the food processing part of banana into the second phase of Seven Cross Project and try to still provide assistance to banana farmers. Definitely. I also realized that some years ago, you brought in some, what I call them, crops. You had the wax apple. You also brought in the dragon fruit. Are you expecting to bring in new species into St. Lucia? I think that's always in consideration. So as I say, we have to work with the Ministry of Agriculture to try to locate which variety or which kind of fruits or vegetable is good to produce in St. Lucia and have good revenues. So that's how we can reduce the impoverished and also increase the income of farmers. The dragon fruit is indigenous to your country? Actually, it's not. But I think it grows very well in Taiwan. And we have different species. And I believe dragon fruit can also grow very well on St. Lucia because the temperature, the climate are pretty much the same in Taiwan and in St. Lucia. The continuous training of St. Lucia or young people into agriculture. I know in Taiwan, you have trained quite a few people from St. Lucia. Will that be an ongoing program? Many St. Lucia students apply Taiwan scholarship and study agriculture in Taiwan. And they will become very good exit for St. Lucia to grow agriculture industry. And that's the ongoing program for Taiwan to provide a scholarship for St. Lucia students. And we have many universities. They have very good agriculture program. And I encourage more St. Lucia students to apply Taiwan scholarship and to study in Taiwan. What sort of areas that you offer in terms of scholarship? Any area specifically, when it comes for training? For scholarship, for the scholarship, students can choose whatever they like. So all different kinds of major that they can choose. For training, there's two assistance. One is for students to apply scholarship to study in Taiwan for a degree. And the other is training that we provide some workshop for public officers or some private sectors to have a short-term training in Taiwan. And the workshop will decide on what category is the most needed in St. Lucia. Back to the mushrooms. I know, moving forward, I know, like I said, you have put in some funding in that area. There's supposed to be some training. All the farmers in that area are coming up soon. How are you getting involved in the training of those farmers? We will work closely with Aika to help all the attendee to get the best from the training. And we are really looking forward to see that it make progress. OK. I was about to come to the end of the program. Any final words you have to give to St. Lucia? I think agriculture industry is very important to every country. And we need collaboration between the public sector, private sector, and we hope to help and to reach our goal to increase the production, increase the consumption of local products, and increase the income of farmers. And also, one very important issue is to adapt the climate change issue. And we will help to provide more assistance in that regard. And for that, I also would like to thank the solution government to always support our bid in UNFCCC. I believe if we join UNFCCC, Taiwan can contribute more. Definitely. I really want to thank you, sir, for being on the program and to share your involvement in assisting the government and people of St. Lucia with your expertise from your Taiwan technical mission. I want to thank you for being here. Thank you. I'm glad to keep on working with the government of St. Lucia to benefit more to the people. And I want to say thank you to the government and people of Taiwan for having you here to assist us in that regard. Before I end, I just want to highlight, for our independence, we also have our seafood festival, which is coming on stream on the 22nd, our Independence Day. And that is going to be held at the Fishes Complex, Sansu Sea, from 10 o'clock until 8 o'clock in the evening. Of course, come and enjoy yourself. There will be an array of seafood vendors. Come and enjoy just to tell you that there are certain things that are not in season. Totally not in season. We do not have, of course, there's a monatorium on crayfish. And of course, sea eggs are not in season. But come and enjoy yourselves. Bring your kids.  And of course, do not cook on that day. Just come and enjoy seafood and enjoy yourself. So again, I want to say thank you again, Ambassador, for being here. And I hope you come to the seafood festival to enjoy yourself on that day too. Sure, definitely. Definitely. Thank you for viewing. And remember, agriculture is our business. Eat fresh. It's in Lucia's best. I'm Philip Sidney. Bye-bye. Agriculture on the move. Agriculture on the move, ma'am. Agriculture on the move.


Good evening, and thank you for joining us on Y254 News Updates. My name is Patricia Morioki, and today with me in the studio, I have a full house of beautiful babies and their mothers and their coach, because today we are talking about nurturing talent. For the longest time, we've lived in a society whereby all our parents pushed us to do is pursue education, getting the good grades. But today, we have mothers in the studio who are pushing their children as much as they want them to pursue education. They are also pushing them and motivating them every day to make sure that they are nurturing their talents. And I would like to introduce my panel for the night. We have, I'll start with the children. And these are models. We have some other Jesus. Tutors, if I say your name, we have some other Jesus. We have Stephanie Vigay. We have Hope Wambui. We have Eva Maria. And we have Chantal Mimi. Yes.  We have Patricia Wanda, who is the mother to Samantha Jesus. We have Regina Waidera, who is the mother to Hope Wambui.  You can be part of this conversation by sharing your views and comments on our social media platforms. That is on Y254 Channel, hashtag Y254 News. You can also reach me at Patricia Morioki. So welcome and thank you guys for finding the time to be here. I'm very honored to have such talent, because I've already interacted with these young ladies. And trust me, you're yet to be shocked tonight. So let me start off with Pascal Inge Jebet.  And my first question would be, why did you choose to start such an initiative? Because first and foremost, I'm a very talented person. I'm multi-talented myself. I've been just being their coach. I am an artist. I'm a fashion model. I'm a designer. I write magazines. I play guitar, all those things, which I never had when I was young. So when I grew up and then I saw, like, there are kids out there who are so talented. So why can't I give them what I never had? Yes, that was the solid reason why I started. Why did you choose? Do you have maybe older girls or boys? Yes, we have from age four years to 17 years. And the reason why I have to 17 years is because at least we can still get guidance from their parents. The parents can still say, this is good for my kid. I want to support them full-time, because older than 18 years, they want to be independent. They want to do their own stuff. But for kids, their parents can easily tell them, like, this is good for you. This is not good for you. And it's easy to interact with the parents very easily. OK, with your help, I would really like to talk to the children. The babies. So Samantha. Samantha Jesus. How are you? Fine, thank you. Which school do you go to? Morningstar Learning Center. Oh, what class are you in? PP2. OK. Why do you love modeling? Because. What do you love? OK. Hope, how are you? Let's talk to Hope. How are you? Fine. What's your talent? My talent is point. Wow. So before the show ends, you're going to do a poem for us. Is that OK? What school do you go to? I go to peace junior school. OK. OK. Stefanie, how are you? Fine, thank you. What school do you go to? The second is at Jones. What's your talent? Modeling. When did you start modeling? In class? Three. In class three. Wow. Do you like modeling so far? Yes. Do you think you're going to be an international model when you grow up? Yes. OK. That's nice. Hi Eva. Hi. How are you? Fine, thank you. What school do you go to? I love international school. When did you start modeling? You can't remember. OK, give the mic to Chantel. Hi Chantel. Hi. How are you? What class are you in? Four. What school do you go to? St. Paul's. When did you start modeling? 2017. Why did you choose to do modeling? Probably not singing or dancing. Why do you love modeling? Because I love modeling because that is my talent. OK, because that is your talent. OK, so you've hand from the children. I'd like to bring the mothers in because I know for these children to have gotten to where they are right now at a very young age, it's because they have a support system and the biggest support system in our lives is our parents. So I'd like to start you with your mama hope. At what age did you notice that hope can really stand in front of people and recite poems? At the age of five years. And how was that for you? Did you feel like, ah, oh, it's not that easy being that she's born and brought up in King Brown, where her life is not that easy, but being that I realized she can do poetry. So she did poetry to give hope to the slum kid. And since that, it's like there is no hope for a slum kid. So hope is there for the slum kid to give back hope. Wow, and you see it's actually she's called hope, she's given hope to other children in the slum, so which is a very good thing. So Patricia, Samantha is in PPE, PPE2. At her Jaffika grade one, at what age did you realize that this child is talented and I know to do something about it? When she was very young, because everyone who would visit home would just say, wow, I love this kid. She just looks like she has a bright future. And when we would see those kids maybe reciting poems in a government function. And somebody would say, wow, Samantha can do this. And at that age, she was really young. She was even under one year old. So I took it as a prophetic message. I'm very spiritual, sorry. Yeah, so I just took it very. You don't have to be sorry for being spiritual. I just took it so spiritually empowering. So yeah, I'm sure enough she just proved it's true. OK, OK.  At what age did you realize that Shantel can as a talent and I need it's my obligation as a mother to make sure that I guide her to pursue it until when she feels like she's gotten what she wanted. That was back in the year 2015. She was five years old. We had just moved to Nairobi from Embu County. And I realized she was interested in modeling. The problem is Shidino English. So I was like, I'll take the whole of 2015 for her to learn some English. Because I believed when she goes for these pageants, the language there is English. So 2016, that's when I took her for the first training. And she's done it since 2016. She participated in Little Miss and Mr. Teen Kenya. She was a mini Miss Kenya. Wow. Second graduation. Then 2017, we took a break. 2018, we went for Little Miss Kenya. She became Little Miss Personality. And last year, 2019, I took her to Italy for World Fashion Kids Festival. Wow. Where she won. And here we are now for Little Miss Universe Kenya. So our aim for this is to make sure tonight that we challenge mothers and fathers out there to make sure that they are pushing as much as they motivate their children to make sure that they pass to education. We also make sure that we don't forget that our children are also talented. So Pascalina, I'd like you to bring you in on this. What do you look out for? How do you identify talent? Because this is a young child who, let's say, cannot express themselves very well and say that this is what I would like to do. So what process do you take to make sure that you identify the talent in a child and probably not just identify something because you've seen it for a minute and it's not going to last? So majorly, what usually happens is when I meet people, I don't just tell them that modeling is a talent, as per se. Modeling is one of the things that opens up other talents. So once they come into one room as models, the next thing that we usually do is identify. What else can she do? Can she sing?  And then someone comes up and say, me, I like dancing more than singing. Or maybe someone like Hope will say, me, I do poetry. But modeling is the umbrella for all the other talents that comes up with it. But they're able to grow in different aspects and fields. Oh, OK, that's nice. Patricia, can you tell me, how have you been able to build confidence in some other Jesus? What are some of the ways that you've been able to do to make sure that she really maintains or even becomes better than she started? For her, she started talking when she was very little.  Anything that involves talking, she can talk. If it's comedy, stand up comedy, she will talk. If it's poetry, that is talking. If it's singing, that is talking. Like, she can express herself verbally. So what I do with her, I just encourage her to say the right thing at the right time, as long as it is the truth. So anything that is the truth, I encourage her to say it. In many situations, I know it doesn't end well with many people. But as she grows, I train her, you don't say this at this time, you don't say this person and so. So I just tell her to say this in this kind of way. So that's how I have nurtured her confidence in expressing herself. OK, Mama Hope, I'd like you to bring you in on this one. What can you see is the advantage of grooming your child to pursue their talent at a young age when you're men and a hope? What would you see is the advantage than waiting for hope to be 18 years when enrolling in campers is when you're also pushing her or you're also motivating her to be trying to pursue her talents? OK, I would like to say that if you have talent, you can do it. I see it as much as it's going to challenge me with that name, Toto. I have a group of children. So in the first place, there are two people who identify with the talent, and who are passionate about it. If you have talent, you can do it, but in the second place, if you have talent, I think you should realize hope and a poem should be a message for the person. If the person is a person with talent, it's very important to have your talent I started doing my part at the same time, since I was a kid, and I succeeded. My message was to be entertained at the same time. I was a bit tricky, but I decided to work with the kids, because they were children, and I was a big kid, and my friends were big, even their baby ones, and it was ready to go home when I was a child. I hope I mentioned something that I would like every parent to touch on, that is, how do you make sure that your child gets to balance school and their talent? But before we get to that, I would like to bring you Pascaleen on this. What is Little Miss Universe Kenya all about?  I wanted to bring a smaller version of that. So it's like the smaller version of Miss Universe Kenya, but now this is for kids. So what they compete for is a title for Little Miss Universe Kenya 2020, and the winner is going to run for one year. We do projects with them. And the rest of the contestants, we are planning something for them like the talents now. Now we go into the talents that they have. And then after that, it's the National Festival which is in Georgia. It's an open invitation for all kids, as long as you've participated in the Little Miss Universe in Kenya. So those kids will be able to attend the festival and also get a chance to do a fashion show there and compete for the international title. You see, these are children, but I believe there's a point whereby, as much as they're doing these, they're kids, we are like nurturing them, there's a point whereby seriousness is involved. If you probably have coaching, you cannot miss coaching. If you have to be maybe at the agency at a certain time, you cannot miss that. As we teach them to be seizures and holidays, how do you create a balance to make sure that this is a child, they still need their time to go out and play and be children, so that as we nurture their talents, they don't skip certain stages as children. For Little Miss Universe Kenya and their modeling agency, we usually do it on weekends, especially Saturdays or Sunday afternoons. Once they're done with the schoolwork, and then on Saturday we could say training, and then we don't usually do training all the time, we usually have game time. After two hours of training, for like one hour we go for maybe some ride or a gaming, like last year we went to two rivers, and they spent like the whole afternoon after an interview, which was quite good. But other than all that, we usually have some questions, like have you performed well in class, you have some strategies, you haven't passed a certain level, what next are you going to do for us? Because you can't compete and then you're failing in class. So Esther, Mama Chantal, how do you make sure that Chantal is able to balance school, do her homework on time, still manage to get good grades in school, and also be the best in the modeling career? From Monday to Friday that is school days, so she has to concentrate fully in school and do her homework in the evening and play like any other child because I think children need to play. That is in the evening after doing her homework. Then on weekends, as Shabeta said, Saturday, Sunday, she's always busy with us, the trainings, photo shoots and everything, so we can decide for modeling. But the rest of the days of the week, the school work and playing and being a child. Patricia, how would you say Kenya is a country or how would you rate our society in terms of natural talents from a very tender age? How would you say we are doing as a country? As a country, I think now we have some hope in developing the children's talents, but before then it was just poor performance in terms of nurturing the kids. Because while I was growing up myself, I am very talented myself, but the way I had to maintain my straight A's and be the best in my class and so on. So I thought art was a waste of time, but after finishing high school things did not go the way I expected. So now it's the time I am starting to venture into art, something I would have done like 10 years ago. Yeah, so I think Kenya is a country we really need to change our perspective fully. We are not there yet, but we are getting there. Okay. Pascaline, I understand there is her competition. These are functions coming up. Would you tell us about that? Yeah, the little Miss Universe Kenya, which will be the first time it will happen at Demi Place. Immediately after Adams to start from for the models, they'll be there by 10. We'll have a red carpet moment and then this shows that exactly at 2pm. And those who wants to buy tickets, these online tickets at www.moke.com or they can call me and get the tickets from me. Okay. Yes, and for the parents, please dress well if you're coming. Say, be sure what to do. Yeah, don't let the child outdo you. Yes, that's the point. So what to do? I don't know. I want to give you an opportunity to talk to your fans and tell them to vote for you. Are you ready to do that? Samanda, are you ready to tell people to vote for you? Yes. Take the microphone. Hi, everyone. Vote me on Instagram. You can search for me, Samanda Jeezon on Instagram, Facebook, Twitter. Okay. Samanda is already on her social media platforms. Hope it's your opportunity to tell people. Who wants to stay at home and watch? I want to vote for the little Miss Universe Kenya. Talk to them. Hi, fans. Please vote for me on Instagram. You can vote for me, Hope Pomboy. And you can find me. Please vote for me. Thank you. Please vote for Hope. Stephanie, it's your opportunity to tell people to vote for you. How you present yourself is what determines if you're going to win. The stage is all yours. Hi, fans. Tell them to vote for you. Who wants to stay at home and vote for you? My name is Stephanie Begay. Tell them please vote for me. Please vote for me. Okay. Haia, Eva, it's your chance to tell people to vote for you. My name is Eva. Please vote for me. Please vote for me. Okay. Chantal, it's your opportunity to ask people to vote for you. Hi, everyone. My name is Chantal. Please vote for me in Facebook, Twitter, and Instagram. Okay. So if you're watching us tonight, please add on to Facebook at Little Miss Universe Facebook page and vote for these beauties that you can see here. Let us also be part of making sure that our children are participating and nurturing their talents. So Pascal, what are some of the challenges that you get to face while running this program? One of the biggest questions I was asked was, why are there only four kids on the poster? That was the first question. And I didn't really read in my head because those are the first four kids who registered. So I was like, because they registered the first and we need to have a poster out of there, so let's run with this. And such questions really, like it comes to me, but at the same time, I don't, like the parents say, like, I'm cheesy or not. But for me, I'm not. Like, I just run the way it is. And then for Little Miss Universe Kenya, we are really setting up a standard whereby we want it to be fair for everyone. Okay. Like, if the kid is out there, we have fresh judges. I may have interacted with them before, but during the panel, I will not be there. Okay. Because I want to give them a chance to choose who is their best. Okay. So, and another challenge is usually timing. Because other than being their coach, I have to also run with the magazine. I have to write it myself. I have to be able to work for my profession. Okay. I'm also an artist. I have to draw. So balancing it at some times usually takes up most of my time. Okay. Yes. Ob. Ob. Ob. Ob. Ob. Well, I have hoped to have a poem for us, and then I'll take one comment from one of the parents as we whide up. Hope to send my poem. Stand here, camera person, let's have a very good shot of hope. My name is Hope Gambuy Ocean, and I have a poem. I am a slam girl. So, what? Being a slam girl does not make me less agile. because I know my rights of equality because I am a slam girl yes I admit I have issues and challenges of slam life of slam life. Take your time. Continue now. Answer cancer for how long shall we suffer by losing our beloved ones just because you're a silent killer for how long shall our people lose their beauty just because they can't stand you. Yesterday was cervical. Today is breast. Tomorrow believer lungs and so on. No, because my future is bright. But I'm scared and fear this monster. Mommy, a friend, my neighbors, doctors, this must let be stand and fight together. One, create awareness. Two, go for early screening. Three, NHIF to cover full treatment of cancer. Four, take your young girls for HPV vaccine and to the patients and survivors. You are not alone. We stand with you. We love you and we salute you. And to the fallen heroes, Wangarema Thay, Bob Collimo and Pekena Joyce Laboso. Thank you. Wow. Wow. That's a very beautiful piece. Who wrote that for you? Mommy. Wow. Hey, mom, you're also talented. Please, for you to really cover with such powerful words and the fact that you're making sure that hope is using a talent to reach out to people. Please keep up the good work. Thank you. The rewards of all these talents and all the work that your mothers are doing are going to be seen very soon. So I'd like to take a final comment. Mama Shantal, a message to mothers watching us tonight. A message to fathers watching us tonight. What should they do once they notice that their children have a talent at a very tender age? For a mother who is scared of, maybe at a school, are they really ready? What is your message for them tonight? Our parents, Kenyan parents, education is not everything. You may have one degree, two degrees, three degrees. We've seen people washing cars in their PhD holders. So if your child has a talent, please nurture that talent. If you look at the best paid people, guys with talents like the footballers. So if you see that your child has a talent, support her, support him, let's see what comes out of it. Maybe one day Shantal will be the Lupita Nyong'o, the nomi camper of this world. So let's wait and see. Okay. Patricia, a message to mothers and fathers watching us tonight. I would tell them that mostly people complain that wasani, hawa nipangui, wasani, that is empty promises they had in the streets. It's called P.E. Okay. But I also had that concern that I may take my child to perform at events and she's not getting paid for that. So there's no immediate reward for her talent right now. But what I was motivated, what I came to know is that time is money. So if you don't have money to invest in your time and eventually people will notice them, people will find them, people will sponsor them eventually. So even if it doesn't pay off right now, it will pay off eventually because you invested in your time which is also money. Okay. Mama hope.  She's a slam girl. But you can literally see that you can't tell unless I come from Kibera, you wouldn't tell. So what would you say to mothers watching us tonight and fathers? And probably the challenge is, what message do you have for such parents tonight? My message right now is, your past or your background or where you come from, it does not find your future. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. or do you want to go and pay a judge to give them that title? You know, those are two different things. That kid, when he's a judge, he'll pay the title. But when that kid is taken to maybe talk in a press conference, and he's like, she shuts down completely. So the biggest worry is invest me. Invest in a teacher to train that kid. Invest in a teacher. And when he's a student, come and dance, find that teacher to train that kid to dance. And automatically, that kid will win. Oh, that kid will prosper. Go look for a teacher who can train them how to do maybe ballet, music, or any other activity that they can. The biggest worry is invest me. And it will pay off at some point in life. OK. Thank you very much for coming today to share your stories with us for the children. I wish you all the best. I would try my best to come and attend the occasion. Do you know the Monyatashinda Sindio? So let us continue our practice, children and mothers. Thank you very much for really supporting. It really shows that these children have the best support system. So that is all we hand for you tonight on Y2-5 for news. If you've watched us, I'm sure you've learned.  Start as early as one, as early as two, because at the end of the day, you're going to fight the rewards of the effort and invest in your children's talent. That is all we hand for you tonight. My name is Patricia Murioki. Do have yourselves a very good night.


Live from Silicon Valley, it's theCUBE, covering Google Cloud Next 17. Hey, welcome back everyone. We're live here in Palo Alto for two days of wall-to-wall coverage of the cloud wars, the cloud game conquering the cloud. Obviously this week in San Francisco, Google Next 2017 is going on. We have our reporters and our analysts in San Francisco. We call on them live in a short time. But we're here in studio in our new 4,500 square foot studio in Palo Alto, getting reaction to all the commentary in the news, the keynotes, Diane Greene's march to conquer the cloud in a Google-esque way. Our next guest is Joe Arnold, the founder and chief product officer of Swift Stack and CUBE alumni, member of the community, as we've seen a lot of all the different events, but you've been in the middle of all this stuff. Joe, welcome to theCUBE coverage. Thanks for having me, John. So I'm glad you could come on because one of the things that's really going on in the cloud world right now, I sometimes call it the cold war of the cloud. You know, there's like, there's the shifting going on, there's two games going on. There's the chess game and there's the front game, which is the sizzle on the glam. Google putting on all the glam out there, Diane Greene, laying out the pomp and circumstance at the event. It's sold out and okay, they sold it out. Okay, good job. But they're really doing a good job of marching down the road. They're serious about the enterprise. That's a non-story at this point. They are 100% serious about the cloud and the enterprise. The question is, what does it take to be a serious cloud contender? There's so much going on. There's a lot of certifications. You got security, you got IoT. Didn't hear anything about IoT. So that's all that stuff going on. That's evolution. But the battle is going on in the stack. Yeah, well, how do you get your applications into that environment? I think, I mean, they're doing something really smart where they're creating a lot of really compelling services, not just on the core infrastructure side, but then also some really just unique, very use case-focused services. I mean, I don't know if you've dug around in that, but there's even like genome-specific services that they have, video transcoding, things like that. But I think the real trick is, is going to be how do they get data and how do you get those applications into that environment? And I think they're moving like the battle of the clouds you mentioned, okay. Well, how do you go from an AWS environment, which is really specific, very purpose APIs that is unique to Amazon. You can't just transplant those things into Google. So I think it's pretty interesting what they've been doing around some of the Kubernetes technology in order to make applications portable. It's almost like a Trojan horse that they've been... It's kind of fun to watch. I mean, David, Jonathan and I were talking last night, I've been covering Google as a company since the founding of, in 1997, 98 timeframe, watch them grow. We've been watching all their cloud moves. We've been heavily watching Amazon. So we're very deep on Amazon. Microsoft has your watch that kind of cobbling together of their platform doing very well. But it's interesting to see the approaches. On one hand, you get the cloud definition of the commoditization of infrastructure as a service and all the stuff that goes on in the traditional cloud definition, infrastructure as a service, platform as a service. But what's happening now is, as the competitive battles have kicked up, they're layering SaaS on top of that. So if you throw 365 on Azure, the market share is amazing.  Oracle's throwing their apps on there. And now you see Google with G Suite. So that's kind of a dynamic that's a red flag for me because I think there's two games going on. There's the enablement of classification and each vendor has their own approach. So yeah, I get the, you know, the manufacturer, the traction, but the real action is how do people write their apps as you mentioned? And let's break that down. Cloud native, what does cloud native mean to you? What does that definition mean? We had Scott Rainey on Venture Capitalist and last night at the cloud native compute foundation, it was multiple definitions. And then you have companies in the enterprise who have legacy apps who want to either, you know, wrap them up in a container or do something to make them portable or a cloud like cloud ready or cloud enabled. And then you have net new development going on in the cloud with legacy infrastructure. So all that is super complicated. Break that down for us. Yeah, I mean, okay, so you've got a spectrum, right? You have people who are, yes, all cloud native we're jumping in at feet first, you know, folks that are, you know, Scott Rainey is investing today, maybe that's entirely where they're living. But reality of most enterprises that are somewhere in the middle and they're still working their way to adopting cloud. So they're having to really bridge the gap. And I think the getting to multi-cloud, well, the first they got to get to hybrid cloud. And so they have, I think there's several steps in the journey that they have to take to make their applications be able to consume it. And look, you know, people don't need to be consuming the latest in containerization to do this. People have started to figure out ways to do that. At least, you know, in terms of like, you know, where we've been focusing, it's been about if the application is portable, how can they go and consume the data and how can you transfer data between on-premises and a public cloud. And then from one public cloud to another public cloud. And I think so with Google in particular, they've created a bunch of compelling tools and services to build applications. But how can somebody use a multi-cloud to build an application that's running in Amazon, but then sneak some data out to take advantage of some of those Google services? And I think that's kind of, I think that'll be some of the first chess moves that I think they can make. And that's why I mentioned Kubernetes earlier, because I think that- What do you mean that chess move? Break that down, because you're basically teasing out something that we've been looking at since KubeCon, which is now part of CNCF, which is that show name. But Kubernetes allows for a company to essentially have a workload on a cloud and then start doing stuff with other clouds that might have different services. Well, okay, you're building an application in an AWS context, and it's specific to the AWS context. Okay, well, that's a non-portable application. It's just like building an application that's to run on Windows. I mean, people don't want to get locked in again. So I think the investment in something like a Kubernetes or containerization of workflows creates this application that can be more ephemeral. You can run parts of it on-premises, you can run parts of it in Amazon, and you can run parts of that in Google. So now you have this application that is a little bit more portable that means you can do something multi-cloud or you couldn't before. Yeah, I got to ask you a question on this because I have a friend, I won't say his name because I don't want to expose the person, told me that he'd been running trace routes across multiple clouds with peering relationships, and the latencies are off the charts. I had another friend who told me that Microsoft Azure has multiple sets of services that are running multiple reverse proxies. So there's a lot of kind of like clues out there on this inter-clouding concept, which is where we think it's going, right? We think it should be that, hey, if I have a workload and some capacity or some sort of service I want to use at the end of the cloud, I should be instantly, seamlessly be able to move that service over in real time, low latency. Right, but that's so hard, it's hard, right? Yeah, so why is it so hard? Right, it's hard because of networking, it's hard because of data, it's hard because of the way that you have to move different parts of your application around. And so at least the problems that we've been trying to help solve for people, I think we're seeing a lot of desire to use clouds like the Google Cloud, but it's hard because either they have this big bulk of data that's on premises that they need to use up in that environment, or you have data that's in say an Amazon S3 and the portability of data is just so intense, especially when you see very large pools of data, hundreds of terabytes, petabytes of data. So let's get back to this, this is important, this brings the AI question in, portability of data becomes a big thing, so it sounds like what we're saying is, is that companies are taking a first step approach of here's an app, it's on Amazon, here's an app, it's on Google, different apps, here's an app, it may be on Oracle Cloud, if it's Oracle-related database. So you're starting to see apps domiciling on clouds relative to their SPAC or their code or their functionality. Okay, that's cool, that seems to be a safe bet, because you're on the stack, you're there. The interesting thing is to actually use AI is to share data.  Right, because then to figure out where that data goes, I mean, the storage system should go, hey, I know we're going to be using the data, let's figure out where it needs to go based on what policies for that type of data. Okay, let's break down the cloud native then, so my definition of cloud native is kind of a highest level abstraction is a application or company that is building all their infrastructure on the cloud, no on-prem. So the hardcore definition would be, like our SiliconANGLE media, we have no data center, it's all in the cloud, and we have Amazon and IBM cloud we use. So, okay, we're cloud native, I guess. Is that too broad or is it more specific because the CNCF meeting last night, they were talking about cloud native as you're using microservices, and now the new service list term is out there, whereas, so where's the distinction? What's your definition of cloud native? You know, and I think that certainly it's great to be using microservices and containerization and making these ephemeral workloads, and I think that only bolsters the adoption of these cloud services, but I think there is a middle ground where you're gonna see enterprises that they're not fully writing these containerized services in order to start adopting and using cloud and taking advantage of the services that are out there. They can take and run and use AI services, they can run very specific data services that are in these public clouds without having to necessarily convert every single application over. I think when you throw something out like cloud native and that is something that you must need to go down, that means you can't take advantage of the services that are out there, it's like, no. I think there's ways that people that are in the enterprise can use these services while they have their existing workflows, and I think that's- That's hybrid cloud. And I think, can you crank things over to say cloud native, and is that some sort of purity and virtue? No, people just need to get their jobs done. They need to build, they need to run their workflows. They need to produce content. They need security. They need security. They need, at the end of the day, they're doing a job, they're processing data, they're computing on it, they're serving applications, and there's not one size fits all for that. Joe, you think about product all the time.  As I say, keep the trains running on time and grow. You're focusing on the product side because that's where the action is, and certainly there's a turbulent market, it's a great opportunity for you guys who are well poised for that. But as a product person, looking at the Google opportunity within the enterprise, specifically, what do they need to do? Where are they on the progress bar in your opinion, and what do they need to do to be successful going forward? Obviously, I don't want to compare them to Amazon, because Amazon's way out in front, but there is a long game here, and the enterprise is difficult. What's your thoughts and opinion on reaction to where Google is and what they need to do? Yeah, I mean, I am, as a product and kind of representative of Sustak, I mean, we're excited about Google, we're a partner with Google right now, and the reason is, I think, is because of the focus on use case, and I think that's the way for them to get penetration into specific industries is by focusing in on those use cases, building out the sales and go-to-market in those particular use cases, in those industries, and just crush them and then go wide from there. But they still have some work to do under the covers. What is that in your opinion? Security, we heard that on stage, but what's specific when Kubernetes is a nice, I think nice secret weapon there that might is going to come out of the woodwork, in my opinion, we can watch that, but where are they going to work on? What's the homework assignment for Google?  I mean, I think, I mean, you have to have a lot of respect for both AWS and Google in terms of their product portfolios. I think it's clear they're doing different things. I think that Amazon is their more rapid response. They're broad and wide. I think Google is being very focused and they're creating core, strong technology pipes and things of different strategy, right? To say that one should adopt the other strategy is... Yeah, it's clear the differentiation's becoming clear. The horses on the track, if you will, are starting to show their cards, if you will, on what they're doing. Google, clearly going after using a tech advantage, AI and machine learning, clearly having a modular approach to building code. Right, they're not going down the path of, oh, we're going to take every single Amazon service and create exactly the same thing.  So they're trying to change the game and use their products as an advantage. All right, so what news do you guys have? What's going on? What's your conversations this week in San Francisco as a company? Like I mentioned, we're a Google Cloud partner now, Swiftac is, and what that means from a product point of view is we can take on-premises data footprint and synchronize that with the Google Cloud. And what that means is people can put data, that they have workflows that they have on-premises, applications that they have on-premises, they can synchronize the data out to that Google Cloud and then they can use the array of services that are available for them there. And if they're cloud native and they're using microservices and have built containerized workflows with Kubernetes and they can burst from on-premises to public cloud pretty seamlessly. So give us your take for the enterprises out there watching it is a complex game. We have the inside baseball view of what's going on, but a lot of enterprise buyers and people who have the mandate to really architect their digital transformation plans are squinting through all this and trying to understand besides all the sizzle around AI which is pretty clear and obvious. What's your advice to them in terms of how to approach and use Google and get involved in some of the things that Google might have to offer and what would be a nice path for them to take? I mean, I think we're focused on how we can do multi-cloud data management. That's where we're ending up as a company. And that means taking the on-premises footprint, step number one is taking that on-premises footprint, getting it cloud ready and using cloud-based architectures and that's the work that we've been doing to make a public cloud storage environment be on-premises so they can ready their applications. Step two is to be hybrid and be able to use and synchronize their on-premises workloads with the public cloud and then step three is multi-cloud. Going between cloud environments and on-premises depending on the workloads they need. It's interesting, Joe Arnold here, the founder and chief provost of SwissStack breaking it down. Interesting, I wrote a blog post out last night or this morning I posted it of analysis around it and I just kind of wanted to put it out there to compare Amazon to Google and it was pretty obvious there's a big separation but we're going to be reporting here and then in my subsequent blog post kind of the difference in flipping around where Google's different from Amazon. You mentioned that they're not trying to copy Amazon so they really can't compare apples to apples there, it's apples to oranges. But you do see some fundamental architectural differences. Amazon, a building block approach, Google has a completely different architecture so one of the things that's come up and this is where it's important, I want to get your thoughts on that and the segment is Google are saying, well we don't need that because we're different so you can't compare what Amazon's doing because the way we architect it, it's just different so we don't need that. Therefore it's not a bad thing, it's actually a good thing but where people are focusing the criticism on Google on is that they can't put their data, they can't control where they can put their data. So from a sovereignty standpoint, if it's in Germany you see the availability zones. What's Google's answer to that? Is it the fact that everything's encrypted? Is it because it's not an issue because they have a different architecture? I mean I think they've been very vocal, I think, in stark contrast to Amazon in the adoption of hybrid cloud. I mean I think they have very publicly stated that as a thing that they are supporting and are of and I think that's their answer to supporting things like data sovereignty. They've built out a very vast wide network and they're certainly taking advantage of that with all the services they can go put on to that. And I think what that means is they're saying, look we can't, we're going to have fast access to the services that you need and if you need data sovereignty and we can't provide it then well we certainly have a very fast network connection to where it needs to be. And then by embracing the hybrid cloud that enables them to have some answers for that. Yeah it's interesting, certainly all this matrix of this and that and apples and oranges is going to keep the analyst super busy. So we love covering here on SiliconANGLE. Joe Arnold inside theCUBE, breaking down. Google Next, the opportunities. Watch the Kubernetes, watch what's going on with the data. This is a big trend, multi-cloud is real. We've been talking about it with Pat Gelsinger for many, many years and it's actually happening. It's a multi-cloud world. Look for the containers, look for the Kubernetes, look for the microservices. That's going to be the cool, fun area to see the apps come out of that. Joe thanks for spending the time, I appreciate it. We'll be back with more live coverage here on theCUBE after this short break.


Bonjour tout le monde, it is just great to be here at Common Good Solutions. And I want to begin by thanking Josh for his warm welcome this morning and for his strong voice in a community that is known for its strong voices. It's just great to have you leading here this morning. Also very pleased we're joined by Minister Qualtro, Minister Jordan, Andy Fillmore, and other members of our great team of MPs here in Nova Scotia. Each and every one of them a leader in their community. I had a chance to sit down with some of the hardworking folks here to talk about the great work they do. And I'm deeply grateful to everyone gathered here today to make time for us this morning. I know all of you are probably incredibly busy in all sorts of different things and being able to gather today to talk about the work you're doing and highlight how important it is not just for this community, for the country that you've given the tools to continue this work is a great opportunity for me. What brings us all together today is working hard to make sure that Canadians are on the path to success. Just this morning we were talking about a story that really, really illustrates why this is so important. And it's Rodney's story. Rodney, where are you? There you are. Rodney, as many of you know, had a rough start a few years ago. He had an encounter with the law, an arrest, and then a number of contentious trials. It was hard on him, it was hard on his family, it was hard on the community. Things were looking tough. But then he got a degree. He started working in the community and soon Rodney was helping other young people overcome the same barriers that he himself had faced. Today, Rodney is the director of the One North End Community Economic Development Society, a Halifax organization that empowers young African Nova Scotians and helps them find a job. It just goes to show how much a hand up can mean in a young person's life. That's exactly why we're here today, to make sure that everyone can get ahead. And this isn't just about young people. If they can't find good jobs, it's not just them who miss out, it's our entire economy. From entrepreneurs creating growth, to innovators developing clean tech, our future comes down to the next generation. And to harness that potential, we need to make sure people have the training to turn their talent into careers and their ideas into results. So today, our government is investing over $492 million for youth skills and employment programs across the country, which will benefit tens of thousands of young people. This funding will go towards projects doing vital work from getting students their first jobs to helping newcomers with language skills. Here in Atlantic Canada, we're talking about more money for great organizations like Common Good Solutions and Phoenix Youth Programs, or the Mi'kmaq Native Friendship Center. That said, investing in community organizations is part of the solution. If we want everyone to have the chance to follow a training, we must also focus on education together. For too many students, it's more and more difficult to cover their school costs. Our government has therefore increased the study budget by 50% and reduced the interest on the students. These investments in young people and in breaking down the barriers they face change lives for the better. Maybe it's your son who, after months of trying to land work, gets the coaching he needs to ace that interview. Maybe it's your niece who couldn't find a job in her rural community but now has the skills to stay and start her own business online. Or maybe it's the hardworking newcomer down the street who gets extra help learning English or French and goes on to college or university. The message to keep is the following. When investing in middle class and people who work hard to make it a part of it, we are contributing to building a better future for all of us. Whether it's here in Newcastle or elsewhere in the country, Canadians can count on the support of their government.


in the heart of Silicon Valley. Extracting the signal from the noise. It's theCUBE, covering OCP US Summit 2016. Brought to you by OCP. Now your host, Jeff Brick and Stu Minow. Hey, welcome back everybody. Jeff Brick here at theCUBE. We are live in San Jose, California, the San Jose Convention Center at Open Compute Project Summit 2016. It's our third year bringing theCUBE here. This is where the cloud lives. This is the infrastructure. This is the hardware. This is what's powering the data centers. And it's a lot of excitement. If you like geeky stuff and you want to touch it on like software, this is the place to be. People walking around with cards and there's boxes and servers and all kinds of fun stuff. We're really excited to be joined by our next guest, JR Rivers from Keenlist Networks. We saw you here actually two years ago. I feel like we've seen you a couple of times since then but you were here two years ago and it was still number five. Even though it's about 2014. So give us your perspective. You've been in the Valley a long time. You've been with a lot of great players. What's your kind of take on what's going on here this week? Well, when you look at Open Compute and how it's evolved, right? It started off in kind of the warehouse areas of Facebook, a small invite-only event, not that many people. I think they were trying to figure out what it all meant, a little bit of recruiting, a little bit of enablement, a little bit of supply chain management. And it's evolved itself to a point where customers are really trying to get their heads wrapped around. What does it mean to have a supply chain that looks kind of like a big player, right? They know that a Google or a Facebook has kind of this ODM direct relationship with their suppliers and they want to know what does that look like? And they've been looking over and over again, like you said, years and years they've been coming to these Open Compute summits saying what is this about? So on the floor you see suppliers that are people like Melanox, Chips and Systems, Finisar, something like selling optical cables and modules, and they're saying hey, this is what everybody's building mega-scaled data centers out of. You can buy this from us directly. And so it's pretty cool to watch customers really latching onto it, recognizing that hey, this is in the realm of possibility. I've heard the same thing four or five years in a row. And what's been interesting to us is over this past year, we've had numerous customers that have said we're building a new data center and it's all open compute technology. Pretty cool. Wow, that's amazing. So JR, we used to see that there was a huge chasm between what the hyperscale guys were doing in the enterprise. I mean, I think you're one of those guys that helped build a massive infrastructure and the typical enterprise doesn't have JR and a team of PhDs to help architect this. So does OCP help bridge that gap? Help us kind of square that circle of, the infrastructure has to change but the applications aren't the same. The operational model is very different. So is this still for like the big 20 guys or how far down market does it come and how does that operations change? Yeah, I mean, we're lucky to see it on the customer side and it goes all the way down market. I mean, we have little tiny operations like a library here or a school district there. They're able to leverage OCP technologies, OCP switches, OCP servers. So it doesn't really stop at any size or scale. I think the big difference is the enterprises had been taught by their suppliers for a really long time that all this stuff was really hard. There's a lot of black magic in there. Don't worry, trust me, I know how it works. And by coming to a show like OCP and Compute Summit, they're recognizing, hey, there's really not that much black magic in here and it's not that hard to put together and I'm being told by numerous people and show an example after example, that it's not that hard and they're just becoming more comfortable. Yeah, so network has been a big focus of the news and the keynotes this morning. This morning in the keynote, they kind of walked through the stack and talked about the disaggregation of hardware and software, which Cumulus is heavily involved in and then kind of moving up the stack. Well, where do you see things? Where's the ecosystem, the partnerships? Where do you play? Where do you partner? Where don't you partner? Right, yeah, so for us at Cumulus, we're all about software, right? Whether it's kind of a box level OS that helps you run routing protocols and make the box do things or management layer software that wraps around those boxes and allows them to do interesting things in customer's networks. So that's kind of our world. We partner really well with people that make great hardware, whether it's a company like Mellanox with a Spectra basic and some of their optical modules and cables as they're moving forward, someone like a Dell or an Acton Edgecore or a Quanta systems. People that allow customer's access to high capacity hardware, whether it's compute or storage or networking, those are our natural partners. On the software side, we partner with a lot of ecosystem people. We have a great relationship. Actually, I don't want to name too many people, but anyways, we have great relationships with a lot of software partners as well because we're less about what code we write and more about what we can pull together solutions to allow our customers to benefit. So JR, a couple of big announcements from some big players here. So Microsoft's been involved in OCP for a little while, but Google is participating. What's your take on that? What's real? What's the motivation for them to being here? Do you think Amazon's going to show up next year? Right. Slightly surprised that Google showed up to be blind. They develop a ton of technology. They consume so much of it they don't really need to expand the ecosystem around that. They get great supply chain by themselves. Maybe a little bit of it is get them giving back. Not a traditional Google-y thing to do. A lot of times they keep technology to themselves. So I wish I could tell you more on what their motivations are, but I would love to drink beers with somebody to figure that out. The Microsoft cloud, sweetly they call it Sonic or whatever. Sonic, yeah. Generally pretty cool and great indicator that yet another web presence says to someone like Cisco, hey, your software's not that interesting to us. In a super really weird way, it's a great validation of what we're doing at Cumulus because it looks a lot like Cumulus Linux. They copied a ton of stuff from us. We've met with them. If you break it down, it's a lot of our components. Their GitHub repository contains a bunch of source code that's got our copyright on it. So it's a huge validation of what we've done that they've seen that so useful that they're using it in their production data sets. They're not a customer, as you can tell. But they're leveraging the technology. I'm wondering if it has something with Google in kind of support of the cloud project, right? To be more in kind of the world of the enterprise suppliers and maybe it has something to do with that. There are events coming up. We covered their cloud launch a couple of years ago. I don't know, just speculating. I think it's a fair speculation, but I would argue that it's probably more PR than technology if you get what I'm saying, right? I mean, if you look at something coming like Google and what it's going to mean for them to be an enterprise in a cloud, it's going to be less about, hey, I can give you a VM at the lowest cost or I can give you a container for almost free and more about I've got this really great enterprise class application that will solve a meaningful business problem for you. Right, yeah, the other piece, Brian Graceley, our cloud guy at Wikibon always said, the guys that you see at the keynotes at every single show, that means they're recruiting. Right, yeah. So it's all, you know, there's a limited pool of talent, they're all going after these various pieces. Let me ask you, JR, your customers, you know, how much is open source something that they're like, it must be open source, or do they want to participate? What is that dynamic of open source and what you're seeing from the customer base?  What we're seeing increasingly is, it's kind of a little bit less about open source and more about the ability to be flexible and move around, supply chain, control, ability to influence the outcome. So some people are like super religious, I want to have open source because it affords me all of those things we just talked about. Some of it's more of, I just want to know that what's under the covers can be replaced, worked on, enhanced, outside of whoever I'm working with, I don't like that world where someone like, you know, a Cisco's wrapped me all the way up and I don't have any degrees of freedom to move. Yeah, it was interesting, I was watching one of the keynote presentations, they were talking about, you know, just the super high band width, you know, that's coming in the future, and they said that, you know, we might even be getting away from connectors. You know, it's just going to be built onto the board. I know something you and I've talked about many times in the past, you know, just cabling and optics is kind of this dark art that like most people don't talk about, but it's a multi-billion dollar industry. Do you see that changing? The physical mechanics, I see it changing, but I mean, just let me flip it around on you, like when you look at the 100 gig technology that's going to start, it's coming out this year, I mean, you're looking at 100 gig switches that are going to cost customers like 10 grand, 32 by 100 for 10 grand, just kind of use your brain and roll back. How long ago was that the band width capacity of like a half a million dollar chassis, right? About five years ago. How long ago was that the total band width capacity of a telco pop seven, eight years ago? How long ago was that the total band width capacity of a telco 15 years ago?  Yeah, that's amazing. I mean, the general rule of thumb we used to have is that if I could get 10x the band width at 4x the price, you know, it was kind of that no-brainer that I would definitely, that was when you saw the inflective, because it always took so long for us to get the adoption of, you know, I mean, 10 gig was ratified back in 2002.  The core, the backbones are all doing well. So, yeah, I mean, you know, there's discussion 100 gig in beyond now, but boy, on the server side, everybody's talking about 25 gig. It's not that sexy. But, you know, these transitions are tough. You know, we run into some of the limitations of the economics and what's happening there. But what's happening is with, you know, kind of forums and foundations like OCP, some of the stuff we're doing at Cumulus, and other people that are kind of in that mix and ecosystem, is they're starting to remove cost as a barrier to capacity. Kind of across the board, right? You can get a phenomenally operational network, great hardware technology, and still, like, continue to run your business, right? And hire people to actually operate the year. Yeah, so one of the discussions we've had at this show is that, you know, networking becoming part of the discussion helps to kind of get it out of its silo.  You know, it's the way I operate it. You know, if I understand Linux, I can, you know, manage all your devices. Do you see networking kind of coming out of the bowels and be just part of a general, you know, infrastructure?  So, that's a great question. You're 100% aligned with, A, what we see happening, and why we've taken the path we have. You know, I've been in networking for a really long time. We could have written our own proprietary networking stuff that's really cool. You know, like maybe it's an HP open switch. Maybe it's a, you know, a risk to EOS. But we recognize that Linux is going to be the foundation of data center going forward, storage, compute, networking, all of those pieces. And being able to leverage them in concert is super important. We have a bunch of customers that use some overlay technology that we built. It's kind of a super, we call it lightweight network virtualization. Think of it as kind of like, you know, baby step, nice era. And they use it on the switches and the servers because they're all Linux, uses standard Linux technology. They're putting on storage boxes now. So, way of them building a reasonably cool network that's, you know, way ahead of what is generally available all using Linux building blocks. Really, really cool. Kind of interestingly enough, our VP of engineering either has done a talk or is doing a talk. It's called Linux Networking is Awesome here at OCP. He's doing something really, really cool. He's got a Broadcom based switch and a Melanox based switch in a network together. That's not the cool part. They're running MLAG. So, if you look at like classical vendors, you know, basically they all rely on kind of internal header stuff. And MLAG is only compatible between like this product line of this vendor and not compatible across the multivendor and all that. Because we've based our MLAG off all of the Linux constructs, it works, Melanox and Broadcom together. Not same vendor, not same silicon, not same anything, just Linux. No, that's pretty cool because, you know, we always talk about interoperability when it comes down to it. Yeah, you need to do something different because customers always ask for it, but it's usually not that simple. So, we have to, you know, to make something simple is really hard. Right, exactly. That's why we're really proud. So, Jer, I want to shift gears a little bit because we always hear networking as the lag between compute and store and kind of the rapid growth of the cloud. In your experience with customers, is the network catching up to the demand or are they getting this new capacity that you said they just went through the steps of this massive capacity increase? Is that getting ahead of their demand and are they starting to come up with new applications, new solutions to take advantage of that? What's kind of leading which? Yeah, that's an interesting question. I think you're starting to see this age where like at 10 gig to the server, you were kind of barely starting to catch up to what the servers were able to support a couple of years ago, right? So, you're like one gig to the server or maybe a couple of one gigs to the server, that was dead at almost 10 years ago. Like when I was at Google long ago, one gig to the server was squashed, right? It was way over provision. Sorry, over committed, over subscribed. So, getting to 10 gig kind of helps you out. And now all of a sudden with this advent of the 25 and 100 gig technologies, you're starting to open it up and people are envisioning operational environments that are way different than what they did before. We're seeing customers doing this crazy stuff where they're doing container deployments, they're running routing protocols on the host and the way they do mobility is the container has a static IP address just pops up, gets advertised in the network, storage shows up everywhere, there's no concept of placement of anything and you have these massive data centers that are running that way all because they have a phenomenal amount of interconnect capacity. That's awesome. So, JR, can't let you go without asking, what's kind of catching your eye these days? What kind of things as you look out, do you think people will be talking about throughout 2016 that maybe they aren't today? Right, it's going to sound slightly lame but I think it's going to end up being true and that IP storage and what are the right solutions, the scalable, tangible, high-performance IP storage solutions, that's going to end up being the big discussion. People are recognizing that it's possible and it's viable and they're starting to run up against some of the bottlenecks of it, you know like, Seth, let's pick on that, right? Great technology, got some limitations, we have a lot of customers using it, bunch of them are like tweaking it, like they're writing their own patches to make, to come up with issues or to overcome issues rather, you're going to start seeing people continue to beat up against that until IP storage becomes the foundation of what people do and I think that's going to happen over the course of the next year. You're laughing, do you agree or disagree? I mean JR, you and I have history working on these technologies, you know, I feel like we've been beat our heads on that wall for a while, my take, I mean there's certain applications that just, you know, they're using Ethernet, I mean everything's using Ethernet, when I do SaaS, I talk to most service providers, it's going that way, you know, hyper-converged infrastructure is not a sand environment, so yeah, I think that that movement is happening, but I think if you're talking about fiber channel as, you know, versus IP, I feel like that discussion happened two years ago. Yeah, especially with fiber channel versus IP, it's really just about- Helping storage, you know, networking solves some of the storage problems, is what I'm saying. Or how it systemically solves the storage problems, right, when you look at a technology like Seth, you know, it's like in the old days, like when we used to do this stuff, right, someone would assume I'm going to have an IP storage target, and I'm going to have a host that's going to talk with that target, but with something like Seth, you have the local caching layer, that's super sophisticated, right, that enables IP storage to be pragmatic. And I think that's what you're going to start seeing is, given an IP network, a super high capacity IP network, how does storage live in that world, where it's redundant, scalable, movable? Yeah, and some of your partners, you know, definitely we've been talking to about, you know, technologies that are doing this, it's definitely, yeah, good opportunity, networking storage to add tons of issues, and especially if they can work together to fix it. Right, exactly. That'll be goodness for the industry. I think it'll be fun. All right, well, we have to leave it at that, J.R., as always, good to see you, I'm sure we'll see you here again next year. Absolutely, sounds good, thanks a lot guys, appreciate it. J.R. Rivers from Cumulus Networks, I'm Jeff Frick with Stu Miniman, we are live in San Jose, California, at the Open Compute Project Summit 2016. Again, big shout out to Pica8, and Micron and Melanox for sponsoring us to be here, without their support and the support of our other sponsors. We couldn't take theCUBE to all these events over 80 last year, and bring you the insight that you're looking for. So again, thanks to them, we'll be back after this short break with our next guest. Thanks for watching.


So how can you lucid dream using the dream character induced lucid dreaming technique? When do you do this properly? It will be automatic. It will be kind of natural and effortless for you So this is a technique I've refined after trying a mixture of things during lucid dream So I've been playing around a lot with dream commands I read a really good book that explored the implications of dream commands and kind of made me want to try it a bit more If you're interested in that book, it's called gateway to the inner self And I'll try and put a link in the description So a dream command is where you ask the dream itself to do something You can ask the dream a question or just communicate with a dream in another way like that So I used it in my other lucid dream, which I titled lucid dreaming transcendence, which you can find on the channel basically to manipulate the dream by asking it to do what I wanted But then I started to think what if I could ask the dream characters themselves to help me become lucid So I mean we'll get to that in a second But I started by asking things like what's my life purpose? Can you help me try to get to you know, whichever place I was trying to get to? How would I find my dream guide and that sort of thing? Now usually what happened is the result was completely random But one thing I noticed that was when I asked a dream character to do something. I always got a response Okay, now it might not be the response I wanted, but they always responded in some way So after a few weeks of experimenting I came up with a technique you can try in your lucid dreams or in your normal dreams to help you become lucid more often It's not perfect and it might not work for everybody, but here's how you do it You're going to train your dream characters to help you become lucid So firstly you have to be able to remember your dreams This is the absolute foundation and this technique is not a one-time thing It's something that becomes more effective over time in order to really see the benefits of the De-kiled technique. You need to practice it for a few weeks So like I said, you're going to train your dream characters to help you become lucid Basically, you need to become lucid several times and actively seek out your dream characters and then train them So it's not something that's going to help you lucid during the first time If you want something like that, check out the lucid breakthrough system linked in the description or watch more of my videos But once you can already become lucid, this is how you become more lucid more often Now you're not really training your dream characters because the characters are part of you So you're really training your subconscious mind So what you need to do is in your next lucid dream go up to as many dream characters as you possibly can And just ask them to help you become lucid the next time you're dreaming What will happen is in the future you'll be in a normal dream You'll be doing something random and then suddenly a dream character randomly pops up and says You're dreaming right now. You literally help yourself become lucid. It's almost like your subconscious mind is helping itself It's a really cool technique because You know when it happens it feels amazing It's like in the matrix, you know when they ring neo and say you're in or you know I mean, it's literally like your dream character is waking you up and you're suddenly in lucid world So what can you actually ask your dream characters? Here are some examples You can say hey next time i'm dreaming. Can you please tell me that i'm dreaming You can say help me become lucid next time Or you can say come and find me next time i'm dreaming and tell me it's not real Now you can obviously come up with your own. You don't have to use those The idea is just to ask your dream characters themselves to help you become lucid in the future Importantly you need to expect the dream character to help you You need to really believe that they actually are there for you and they want to help you Now like I said, it might take a few weeks if you're looking for a faster technique Then obviously try the 90 isle to try the weight back to bed Uh go through the breakthrough system But this is a really great technique and it feels really special when it works because it's literally like you're Helping your own subconscious to help you lucid dream Now the only real problem with this for a few people is what if you don't dream about dream characters What if you're in the middle of a desert and this happens sometimes, you know for some people So what you can do in that situation is Let's say if you are in the mountains or in the middle of nowhere try visualizing a busy city before you go to bed Because then you're more likely to dream about a place where there is likely to be dream characters Try also looking for a dream portal And expecting to find yourself in a busy city when you go through the portal Now I have used this to massive success in the past. It does work It just takes a bit of practice takes a few weeks And of course you need to be able to become lucid first So if you can't become lucid at all, then that's absolutely fine. Don't worry Check out the lucid breakthrough system watch more of my videos Meditate every morning, you know the basics, right? And then once you can become lucid This is a insanely powerful way of becoming lucid more often And as you can imagine the more you do this the more times you train your dream characters It becomes more and more reliable easier over time So check out the breakthrough system give this video a like if we get to a thousand likes I will do some kind of ridiculous embarrassing or funny thing in the next video