Hello everyone, my name is Tushar and I will be taking a presentation related to Linux. Before I start I would like to know how many of you know something related to Linux. Can you please raise your hand, quite a few. So what exactly you know about Linux, okay it is an operating system, anything else open source. It is an open source operating system, as a file system it recognizes the USB as file system anything else apart from these points. Okay let me put it in a different way, how would you compare Linux operating system with Windows? Sorry, more secured in what terms? In terms of, okay viruses and rodents, good it is free, yeah as one of my friend already said that it is open source, right. Now let us start with an overview of this presentation. I would not be calling it as a presentation, I would rather describe it as a discussion rather than you know having a presentation. So the overview is like what was there before Linux, what is Unix, what is Linux, history of Linux, different flavors of Linux. Now coming to the topic that will be introduction to Ubuntu, origin of Ubuntu, versions of Ubuntu, software includes Windows versus Linux, this is the overview and starting with the point, what was there before Linux? As you guys already might be knowing that there is an operating system called Unix, right. How many of you have heard about Unix? Some of them, okay that is all. Now what about Microsoft? Everyone knows Microsoft, right and Mac. Now before Microsoft there was Unix from 70's, 1970's, okay. This was the operating system which was built by some employees at AT&T Bell Labs, okay. One among the employee is value might have heard his name, his name is, right, I am having a photo of it, okay. So what about, along with Dennis Ritchie, there are few more guys which are quite famous, can you name some? Kernigham, have you heard about Kernigham? Okay, Brian Kernigham. So these were the guys who initially took the initiative of developing Unix. Earlier it was developed as a form of assembly language. Later on it was rewritten in C, right. So this is in 1980's Microsoft as you know dominated the whole market, right. After that the era of Steve Jobs began which we today know as, instead of calling it as Macintosh, we refer to it as iPhones, iPads, tablets and can you guess the photo which is after Steve Jobs? The next door one, right. He was a second year student and he had one goal in his mind at that time and that was like, you know, it is better to have a free version of an operating system. At that time Unix was there in the market and it was a bit expensive. All end users cannot afford it. So he thought let's modify some code, some source code of the kernel itself so as it can, you know, operate freely. His main intention was related to an academic version of Unix, okay. So that's why he started rewriting the code inside the kernel. So basically Unix is a multi-tasking, multi-user operating system and as I told you a couple of minutes back, it was originally developed in 1969 by a group of employees at Bell Labs and the group consists of Ken Thompson, Dennis Ritchie, Bryan Kernigham and it was recoded in C but the limitation of Unix or SCO is that it's a commercial operating system. Now when we refer to as Linux, it's a free operating system as some of you guys have already mentioned. So what's the difference between a commercial operating system and a free operating system? Can I have an answer for that? We need a serial key or a registration sort of thing in order to run it. Now what is Linux? Linux is basically an open source version of Unix. As I told you earlier Unix was an expensive operating system. So people started looking for its cheaper version or the academic version or I would rather call it as a free version because we all believe in free. It does not matter whether it's a Unix operating system, a Microsoft or a Mac, they all have one thing in common and that is they are all proprietary products, they are all commercial. Now as I told you earlier Linus Thorwald's when he was studying computer science thought it would be a good idea to have an academic version of Unix which is freely available. So it began to work and this is how Linux was born. Now this is the history of Linux and that is Linux is nothing but basically it's a kernel on top of which all other software applications reside. I would like to point one more thing and that is Linux is not Unix. Now when he was a student, Linus Thorwald when he was a student he posted his first message on to the Minix FTP and that was this. I would like to read it out and that is Hello Netlanders due to a project I am working on in Minix. Now Minix is another operating system which was prevailing before Unix. I am interested in the POSIX standard definition. Could somebody please point me to a machine readable format of the latest POSIX rules, FTP sites would be nice. What this says or what this depicts is like when he was a student, when he was studying like all of you guys. His intentions were very clear and that was to develop an operating system free of cost. It should be freely available without any restrictions or without you know any permissions or without purchasing any license keys in order to make that operating system operate. So this was his first message. Later on he started rewriting the code on the other hand. There was a guy whose name you might have heard Richard Stallman. Richard Stallman is another guy who believes in free. What he believes is like he is a firm believer of a software that could be freely available to any person in the world so that he or she can modify it or copy it in order to make it a far more better version of the current version. But the problem here was Linus on one side was rewriting the code within the kernel itself, Linus kernel itself that is half done and the remaining part was being filled by Richard Stallman. He was writing some software applications which are freely available to everyone. Now whenever we read his name, Richard Stallman's name, we associate that name with GNU. Some people call it as GNU. Basically GNU is not UNIX. It is the full form of GNU. It is a recursive term which basically means that GNU is not UNIX but it could be UNIX like. Now it aims at developing a UNIX like operating system which is free from copying or modification. Stallman built his first GNU compiler in 1991. But the funny thing was the operating system which was supposed to be compatible for his GNU C compiler was not yet ready. After couple of years, both things were merged. Now these are the different flavors of Linux. One is Red Hat, the other is Fedora, the other is Debian, Suze and Ubuntu. Can anyone tell me something related to Red Hat? Now what this guy has mentioned is it is a commercial version of Linux. It is right but it is partially correct. I would call it as a Red Hat Enterprise Linux which is a commercial version of Linux. The previous versions which were there before Fedora came in the market, before Fedora launched there was only Red Hat Linux. And as you may see the pic that is there of F, we all know what it is. It is Fedora. Anyone knows anything related to Suze? Suze Linux. It is basically a very user friendly flavor of Linux. And what in typical other Linux flavor happens is like you have to keep on pressing next, next, next button in order to finish the installation, in order to complete the installation. But when Suze was launched in the market along with the collaboration done with Novel Network, at that time they advertised it as a one click installation of an operating system. It was somewhere around 7 to 8 years back and that caught everybody's attention. If you can just click only once and you can complete the installation, you do not have to worry about the rest of the part. It will directly show you the finish button and then you have to reboot. That is all. So basically open Suze or we call it as Suze. It is a one click installation operating system and it is very user friendly. Now the next thing, next pic is of Debian. So who is the developer of Ubuntu? Canonical. Canonical is a term which is used for the repositories wherein you can put all the softwares within it and then later on you can retrieve those softwares. So that is a Canonical, I would rather call it as a third party or a collaboration done or you can say a volunteer support by all developers which are there in the world. They keep their softwares within this Canonical repositories and then later on you can retrieve it and you can install it in your operating system Ubuntu. So the developer of Ubuntu is none other than Mark Shettleworth. Now let us go ahead with introduction to Ubuntu and that is origin of Ubuntu. Ubuntu is basically about people. It is about building a community. The original meaning of Ubuntu is you are doing something for humanity. You are coming together and building an operating system or you are building a support for humanity. In terms of application, in terms of software which can be used by any other person at any corner of the world without paying a single penny. So that is basically done keeping one word in mind and that is humanity. Now Mark Shettleworth is an African entrepreneur in 2004. Mark founded Ubuntu project. The objective of that project was to build a high quality desktop and a server operating system. Initially they started with only one thing in mind and that was to build a high quality desktop. Later on they started building a server based addition of Ubuntu operating system. And the good thing about this is it is freely available in the market and Ubuntu has originated from Debian. The reason I am saying this is because if you want to install any package in Ubuntu, you follow the same rules which you are following or which you are following in Debian. And there are two ways to do that. If you want to install any package in Debian or in Ubuntu, either you can do it through command prompt or you can do it through a graphical user interface which Ubuntu has given which we call it as synaptic package manager. Heard this name before? Great. And from command terminal, can I get an answer for in order to install a package from command terminal what do I have to do? Exactly. Pseudo apget install and that package name. Now one thing you might notice is like you just write down Pseudo apget install package name that is all such as Pseudo apget install vlc which is nothing but it is an application or it is a player which is used in order to view movies which stands for video land client. So we just write vlc what if that package is not available within the repository? How can I install that? Add apt repositories. Now what if that package is available on the net but I am not able to install it even after doing add apt repositories dpkg. dpkg is like what? Exactly dpkg is nothing but it is a command basically and it stands for Debian package. In order to execute this command you have to write on the terminal dpkg space minus i vlc minus version number dot deb. So this is the file extension of any package which is getting installed in either Debian or in Ubuntu. So in Fedora the extension is different. In Debian or Ubuntu the extension is different. Can I have an extension name in Fedora which we generally use? rpm which stands for red hat package manager. Now coming back to the versions of Ubuntu the previous version which was there and which is still there in the market still prevailing in the market and that is Ubuntu 11.10. One IRIC is the code name given to the Ubuntu version. The latest version of Ubuntu is 12.04. The code name of it is precise pangolin. Any idea what this pangolin word means? Sorry it is an animal. What kind of animal? Anteater. There is a name given for that anteater. In Malay Malay is the language which is used in Malaysia. Am I right? So in Malay they call it as penguling which basically means an anteater. So the same word, a slightly modified word they have used and it is called as pangolin. Now since you know about this latest version you might also be knowing about the latest features of this edition. So can you name few? HUD. What is it? Widgets. So once you click on that icon on the top you can the moment you try to write something it will show you the icon of the recently opened applications or other applications which are installed in your system. So my friend has given a very good feature over here and that is HUD which basically means head up display. Now the due version that is yet going to be released on October 2012 that will be Ubuntu's forthcoming version and it is 12.10. Now as you have already know that we can have more than one operating system in our existing machine. So at the max how many operating systems can I have in my machine? That is the question. Any guess? So at the max we can have four operating systems physically residing on the machine. Now if we talk about virtualization we can have more than five operating systems but basically they all depend on two factors. One among them is the processor the RAM is the next factor. Am I right? Please rectify me if I am wrong. Now the previous versions and even the still versions which are still there in the market they need minimum of 4 GB hard disk space in order to install a minimal set of applications of Ubuntu. You can install Ubuntu with minimal set of applications within 4 GB of hard disk space. So this is another advantage of Ubuntu. Now if you want to install Ubuntu there are two different ways through which you can do the installation. The first is through LAN, through network and the other is through a CD.  So what is it basically? You can run the complete OS on the CD. Now these are some of the software which are there in Ubuntu operating system. A Firefox browser we all are familiar with this and we know why we use this. The other one is Thunderbird Evolution Email Open Suit which is also called as Open Office Suit. Now this is quite an alternative to your exactly Microsoft Office and you have GIMP. What is GIMP? It is an image editing software alternative to Photoshop. Now what about the music player? Are there any modifications within the music players or still they are running the Banshee? Now it is Jumbo. What about Totem? Totem is still there without any codecs support still? Whenever you open it and it will still, is it still asking for, you need to search for the plugins and then you click on that plugins and then after couple of minutes it will stay unable to connect. So that is why you install VLC which is far more faster. You just add that PPT or slash PPA and it will start working. And then there are games. Now coming to this discussion and that is related to Windows and Ubuntu. Windows versus Ubuntu. Now as we all know that it needs a serial key to complete its installation. Now there are ways to get the serial key. So you have got the answer. But that is not the case with Linux. You do not have to install Linux operating system except Red Hat Enterprise Linux or I would say the commercial product of any Linux flavor needs a serial key. Other than that all other operating systems which are freely available in the market, they do not need any serial key. It is freely downloadable from the net and it does not cost you a single penny. Or there is always a second option. You can always ask a friend for a CD and you can never return it back or perhaps you can return it back after 4 days. So the other difference between Windows and Ubuntu is like in Windows we have a command interpreter which we all know as CMD or C-O-M-M-A-N-D. Have you ever used it? So what all different commands you have typed within it? IP concept, anything else? Trace root, ping command is used. Or ping is used for? Just getting the reply whether my LAN is connected properly or not. Or you can do a lot of things with ping. Can these commands work on Linux? No. But some of these commands can run on Linux such as cd, cd dot dot mkdir, mkdir, mkdir, mkdir, mkdir rm, remove directory or mv, move directory or rmdir which is used to remove a directory. Now there is one more difference between Linux and Windows and that is you can have multiple users logged in at the same time on one single machine and that is possible in Linux. That is not possible in Windows. In order to log in into another set of users first you have to log out. You can switch but that does not log out. But up to how many users you can switch in Windows? That is great. But here in Linux you can log in to seven different users at the same time or eight different users or more than eight. Perhaps it could be like ten but most people do not log in up to ten different users on the same Linux machine. But I would rather stop at eight different users. You can log in into eight different set of users on the same machine. Now without even logging out.  Now if you want to log in to another set of users what will you do in Linux? Any idea? That is one way. Any other way? Yeah we can switch to users provided first you create another user then you can switch. So how to create a different user or sorry how to log in to different user? Sorry any answer? What you can do is you can press control alt and f1 at the same time. You will get a screen which is not graphical which will display at the top left hand side as Ubuntu or any Linux player's name and the version and beneath that there will be a word written as login. Now you enter your username then press enter to enter your password. You can directly log in. Now similarly in this way only you can log in to seven different users on the shell prompt itself. I am coming to what the shell prompt is. Now in Windows there is only one desktop right? Once you log in you get a fancy desktop. In Linux you have how many? Four different desktops and you can simultaneously switch on to or toggle to all these four desktops at the same time. You can run some applications on one desktop some applications on other remaining desktops. Now there is a way to even change this desktop. We call it as theme. So can I get some names of these themes? Unity is there. Somebody does not know the names so how about have you heard about KDE? So what all these things are? These are desktops but basically these are themes. Any other thing other than KDE? Nome is there by default this is what is installed right? Now it is Unity in Ubuntu perhaps still at the top it is in Fedora it is still Nome if I am not wrong. I do not know the what they are installing right now it is in the latest version of Fedora. I completely lost the touch but perhaps you guys can enlighten me. Fedora still at Nome is prevailing and any other lightweight X11 desktop environment can sorry LXDE is there which is a desktop environment. Very lightweight desktop environment then there is one more XFCE KDE is also there. So what about all these lightweight desktop environments? Why do they build it? Any specific reason? Why do we have lightweight desktop environments when there are you know much heavyweight competitors in the market sorry for low memory machine minimal to run on minimal systems. Basically these lightweight desktop environments such as XFCE, LXDE these are used as the small footprints of the entire graphical user interface to run on minimal machines machines which are operating on ARM ARM controllers right or PIC controllers. Now in machines having multiple versions of Windows we have a boot loader called Windows Boot Manager. In Linux we have Grub nowadays it is Grub 2 right. In the earlier versions of Linux when Red Hat Linux was there in the market that is before Fedora came in the market it was Lilo Li Lo which generally stands for Linux loader. Now what is the difference between that Linux loader and Grub? One comes up with a very good graphical interface and the other one does not. Now can you guess which one? Grub. Now how you can get inside the Grub? Shift or just writing command as Grub you can get inside the Grub provided you have that root privilege what will you do when you are inside Grub? What can you do when you are inside Grub? You can change the options am I right? You can change the options of other operating systems for example whenever your machine is installed with one or more operating systems you get a chance to select either one of them right. Now suppose your Windows operating system label is at the top and Ubuntu operating systems label is at the bottom and if you want to change it what can you do? You get inside the Grub namely the file is called as Grub.cfg or it is Grub.conf is there any other name? No. So within Grub file you can make the modifications suppose if you want to keep Ubuntu operating system label at the top before Windows you can do that now this file Grub resides inside which directory? There is a directory called Etc directory within that directory there is one more directory called Grub okay Grub.d and within that directory it is there it is not hidden it is there if you do ls it will display. Now there is another difference a major difference between Windows file system and Linux file system and that is as you all know Windows file system comes up with NTFS and FAT32 right in Linux we have EXT2 earlier it was Minix file system then there was FS then it became there were certain modifications within FS then it became EXT2 which is generally extended file system EXT2 and then there was EXT3 EXT4. Now the basic difference between EXT2 and EXT3 is can anyone say what is the basic difference between EXT2 file system and EXT3 file system the basic difference between these two file system is one among them keeps the log of the entire files okay now let me explain it to you in a much more simpler way suppose you are working something working on to something and the power shuts down okay now what happens is like the file onto which you are working the data gets lost right so what EXT3 does is like it uses a term called journaling which keeps the data and it will recover that data okay and then that data will be displayed to you so this happens because of journaling which was not there in EXT2 now think about all the possibilities of this file system this file system if it is residing on a server okay if a server is having an EXT2 file system what it does just think of a scenario where power shuts down and that is not a normal desktop machine and it is a server machine when after the power comes when you switch it on what it will do initially it will try to recover the files okay at the time of recovery it will start from 0 and it will go up to 100 okay I am just telling an instance which means it will check for all the files unnecessarily which is nothing but it is a waste of time now the time can be optimized in EXT3 file system if this file system EXT3 file system if this is having a log of all other files apart from the files in which you are currently working when the power goes and comes back again it will only try to repair the file on to which you are working the rest of the files are kept as it is okay this will save a lot of time now there are other variants of windows there is windows 98, windows NT, windows 2000 XP server editions and nowadays we have windows 8 now I would like to ask you one question and that is is it safe to keep our data which is confidential on to the cloud that to windows okay you can have a private cloud windows I would then ask one more question is windows private or is windows having a private cloud do you think it is safe to keep no one can able to access it the point I would like to notify you is like it is not the only windows that is in the market for cloud it is also Ubuntu Ubuntu one is there in the market okay Ubuntu enterprise cloud right now in windows what we generally see as an executable file is an EXE file right so we have already discussed related to synaptic package manager and there is one more thing in Linux and that is you can download the entire source code of an application or a software and that source code comes in the format of either dot tar file or dot tar dot gz or dot gz file or dot dz file these are nothing but these are the sorry these are the options which are used to compress a set of files or a set of directories okay now once you uncompress these directories you can go inside a directory and then you can install an application now there is a way to install an application first you have to do dot slash configure then you have to do make and then you have to do make install this is how you can install an application in Ubuntu or in Debian or in Linux okay in this way in windows we have turbo C or Borland C in Linux we have GCC CC C plus plus okay and these are nothing but these are the compilers which are used to compile either C file or a C plus plus file okay in windows we have a shell interpreter each and every operating system has a kernel a shell and then there are set of applications okay now in windows we have a DOS shell okay in Linux we have SH we have bash we have ASH CSH in all there are so many things some 10 other 10 or 11 other shell interpreters which are different from others such as there is a difference between bash shell and ZSH shell or TCSH shell can anyone tell me what is the difference between a bash shell and TCSH shell any idea as the name suggest TCSH shell it is nothing but it is used to compile a C program okay or I would take an example of CSH shell it is a minimized set of shell which only uses some specific commands which are in related which are in relation to compiling either a C program or a C plus plus program okay whereas bash shell is coming up with all other options okay and then we have commands such as you can type the command LS you can type some normal commands such as PWD, CD, MKDIR, RMDIR and so on you can use this TCSH or CSH shell because it is a minimal shell interpreter which can be used for an embedded system wherein you have to type very small set of commands sorry when you have to type or execute very small set of commands okay. Now in Windows we have an integrated development environment better known as IDE which is dot net frameworks or visual C plus plus VP is there visual basic right in Linux we have net beans we have eclipse right again these are also available for Windows edition okay the good thing about these frameworks these IDE's net beans or mono develop or Anjuta or eclipse they are all open source they are freely available for download which is not the case with VB or VC plus plus once you boot in the system you get the login prompt you login and you can start using an application such as Firefox or you can start in using an application such as a shell terminal okay if you are a an extreme developer if you want to develop some application or if you want to modify an existing application which you have recently downloaded from the net you can do that using a shell terminal and this is what generally in some of the versions like welcome to Linux but now a days you do not see this so you can see this if you want to and you have to edit one file and that is bash RC file you can write this within this file and you can rerun it okay you can rerun this script this welcome message will appear on your screen.


Welcome back to the Unicus Radio Hour. I'm your Jedi host, Robert Stanley, broadcasting live from Palm Springs, California on the greatest alternative talk radio station on the planet, KGRA. And you already knew that. In case you just happen to be tuning in, thank you so much. This is the second hour and you know what that means. The lines are open. The lines are open. If you have any questions or comments or if you could help me with my voice, I'd appreciate it. The number here is 85 KGRA live. There's no way you can forget that, right? 85 KGRA live. And if you don't want to, that actually comes out in just numerically. It's<PHONE_NUMBER>. Please write that down if you don't already have it.<PHONE_NUMBER>.  Any questions or comments are welcome. You can also, if you're in the chat at KGRA, you can definitely put something up there. We'll see it in the chat. Or you can email me at editoratunicusmagazine.com, although I don't always check my email during the show. So it's probably best if you call. We will definitely look forward to hearing from you.<PHONE_NUMBER>. Correct. Thank you, Alan. So how much longer, what is the ultimate goal of the project you're working on, simulation? Well, one of the awesome things about it is that now that we don't have to go through the gatekeepers, these mainstream media gatekeepers, and now we can disseminate ideas. As long as you formulate them really well, because there's so much noise, so at least formulate the ideas really well. And then you can disseminate some people from around the world right now, from all different countries around the world are pinging us.  Or I started building a community around the subject in my area. And so I'm like, damn, that's what's up. So if we can inspire people from around the world to think more critically about the ultimate nature of reality and what their North Star is and all this type of stuff through these interviews, that's a big one. And then also another one is that it's kind of ridiculous that isn't one of the most interesting things about life when we're born is that there's no cannon, there's no operating system, there's no manual. And so that whole notion that we were talking about where the child's born into the world, they have to remember that they come from source, that they have to find out what their North Star is and go and pursue it and surround themselves with good mentors and people to help them get there and stuff like that. So I'm working on a big synthesis that I think can be really relatable as like a cannon for people. So have a really good compression algorithm for the most profound knowledge on the planet. So I'm working on that and then oh, and then also like it's kind of ridiculous that, you know, why isn't that 50,000 people can fill sports stadiums, but 50,000 people can't fill a stadium to talk about the direction of civilization. It's it's kind of it's it's funny because we're it's we're exactly in the game was to be in where the sports teams are empty 90% of the time. There is 22 players and like football pads that are you know crashing into each other. You know what I mean and stuff like that and 50,000 people are you know tribally roaring at them. But if you make a panel with different leaders in a specific field about the trajectory of our planet, you'll get you know 1000 people or like sometimes you get crickets. And so it's and so we're we're we're trying to fill sports stadiums with curious intellectuals, curious spirits for full day multidisciplinary events, everything from meditations to comedy skits to you know those game shows you're talking about all the way to fireside chats, all these types of things. Oh, yeah. So that's another part of the vision creative warehouses. There's so many interesting aspects of it. We'll see where it ends up going. Wow, I hadn't thought of that, but it sounds good. That sounds actually like a really great activity that we could engage in as far as helping to unite people. Yeah. Okay, so anyway, do we have a question? If we don't have I have one more story to share if we if we don't have a question. Okay, sure. Go ahead. Robert, you'll I think you'll enjoy the story. But you know, one of my friends, Tom Osborn, grew up in a village in Kenya. And when he's growing up there, it's, you know, imagine a village in Kenya is not no running water, no electricity, these types of things. And he in eighth grade realized that this was a bifurcating moment of his life when he was taking a test. Because if he took the did the test really well, he got into the boarding school in Nairobi in Kenya. And so he ended up taking the test while taking his county seat in the boarding school in Nairobi. And he got electricity running water, computers, alumni network of leaders of the country in Kenya, right? Next thing he knows after he graduates school, he's going to Harvard in Cambridge. And so and so his life trajectory went from a village in Kenya to Harvard from just these bifurcating moments of life. And so now he goes back to the village. And it's so hard to relate, you know, spiritually, at that point. And also that another aspect of it is like, with that, like being in the village, like you're totally cool with just being like I'll just sit in a lawn chair in the village, or on a rock, and just be for hours, just be here in the Western world.  Oh my God, you're falling behind in the hierarchy. You can't just be. And so we're trying to also transform people's consciousness with holding space with one of my friends, Ori Shapira, and things like that. So just holding space for just being and transforming consciousness is also a very California thing, trying to get that back. I know, I know. Yeah, it's weird. It's weird being back here. Since you brought that up about Kenya, I did meet somebody exactly like that. Some years ago, my son had to have surgery. The I was I was very concerned about making sure he got the best care naturally, because surgery is there's no such thing as minor surgery, in my opinion. And this wasn't minor surgery anyway. So I was really panicky about getting a specialist that was a proven track record. Okay. And I was referred to a guy named Dr. Okareki. And his whole family was from Kenya. I'm not sure if he was born there, but he he had all the benefits of all the medical schooling here in the US. He was he he ran teams of people to run these to operate these DaVinci machines, you know, the the robotic arms that do stuff and you know, invasive, but it's but it's really precision. But you have to be a good operator.  So right, this guy. And the other thing about what him was, I don't know what there was probably a skin condition. But even though he was he was African.  You know, so just just the visual, like, I did had no idea who he was. I was talking on the phone, but he was so so calm and and very precise, you know, like, he gave me everything in context is like, you know, all the information that I needed, he was giving it to me very calmly and just saying, Oh, he's gonna be fine. Here's what we can do for him. Just bring him in, transfer him to the hospital, and I'll run the team and all this stuff. I'm like, Okay, cool. Then I meet the guy and he walks like, visually, I'm like, Whoa, well, that's weird. And then he's, you know, hi, I'm Dr. Okareki. People think I'm Irish. You know, my name is I'm actually from Kenya. And he's telling me all this stuff. And like, I'm still kind of in shock that, Oh, wait a minute, my son, new surgery. And, you know, I want the best guy. And you're the best guy. And like, I'm what I'm thinking about, I'm like, flashing us because this is when Obama was in office. And I'm thinking, Now, here's a guy that loves loves this country, because it's giving him all these opportunities. And he's actually using that. He's paying it forward by by using his skills, the skills that he's developed to help other people save other people's lives. Instead of just telling people how to live their lives, he's giving them opportunity to continue living their lives in a healthy manner. And I was just like floored by this guy. I didn't ask him about his politics, because that meant nothing to me. But I was just looking at him thinking, Well, that's that's the American dream that his family came here from Kenya.  Not that in that there's these kind of people, these potentialities are everywhere for everybody. And that's that's what I want to see more of happening. And it's not an American thing, per se. Although look, we've had, I feel, I know this this upsets people, but I really think that the Constitution and the Bill of Rights was a gift that by benevolent beings just it not and they didn't write it just subtly suggested some things to the key people like, Hey, you know, it'd be a good idea, you know, and, and that is that would be a good idea. You know, of course, that was that those, those, those are, um, I think that came after the fact. The first thing you had to get the Constitution. Yeah. Well, that's what the guess that Constitution, because it's negative liberties for anybody who doesn't know what that means. There's a list of negative liberties now, which protects us from tyranny in the government because the founders knew that's human nature, power corrupts and absolute power corrupts. Absolutely. Absolutely. So the, the more these, these people rise up in society and have these roles where they're basically, you know, in charge of everything, they're going to be somehow somewhere, they're going to abuse it. And that's what the Constitution has written is, is to constrain the government from basically, you know, so that's that of all the places I've been to, I've been in 15 countries so far, all the places I've been to, I mean, I love other countries, but there's something, something very unique and special about the United States of America and specifically the Constitution. Yeah, absolutely agreed. And there's also something very special about the Magna Carta too. And there's also some, oh, yeah, that started it. And, and it's, it's almost as though when you're born with so many privileges that you forget that people worked really freaking hard to try and put these things together and that it's really important to remember them. So to be a really vigilant student of history and care about that a lot and also to realize that it's not over, that there's still new amendments that need to be made. There's still new ways for us to update the code of our world to, to, to, to deploy an update that maximizes more prosperity. And so those are both key there is to realize how far 100 billion humans built civilization before us and also that we have to make sure the seventh generation principle moving forward of the indigenous that please be very, very considerate about seven generations forward about every action that we take. Yeah. Any questions? I don't know if you're aware of this, but no question, no color. No, there's. Don't worry about it. Don't take it personal. Let's say this is a thing, this particular style, if I don't ask, if we don't ask the right questions, people do not respond to that because we're having a conversation. It doesn't feel like there's a lot of room. If we were just, hey, look, if we wanted to do something polarizing and throw out some really, you know, leading questions, I'm sure people will respond just to, just to say, yeah, I don't like that. Or, oh, yeah, I'm on board. It's like, but we're having this exchange here. Nuanced. It's totally genuine. It's spontaneous. It's not like planned. And yeah, it doesn't leave a lot of room for people to jump in. I mean, I've even had people like Richard Hoglund on here and he's a fascinating guest.  But, but you, okay, you were talking about the global economy. The latest numbers are it's like over $240 trillion worth of debt worldwide. So the whole, the system's broken. Okay, most people don't want to talk about it, but it's been in the news a few times and I look at that number and I think, actually, I think this, it was, it's more, there's more debt than there is equity. Well, how did that happen? And then more importantly, how the heck do we fix that? Jubilee? Do we get a Jubilee? Can we reset?  I mean, really, it's, it's, it can't, we can't keep going like this as, especially in the United States, the way they keep just voting deeper. They, what do they call that? The debt ceiling, they just keep raising the debt ceiling, which is not raising anything. It's digging a deeper ditch for us financially and otherwise. And the only way we stay afloat is what, through our military? Can we also acknowledge how, and this is, I think, such a key component for those that are thinking about things from that lens, is that when you go back to the origins of these, this, of this type of thinking, in the origin, the origin of this type of thinking really came from the first time that someone came up to someone else and said, who owns this land? I was like, no one owns this land. This is land that just we grow food on or we enjoy, we live under, etc. And then the idea is that, oh, wow, this cave has, it's a bigger cave. This cave has more light in it or this cave has more things for me to do in it or food in it or whatever it is. And these, these little incremental instances in our evolution, as best as we hypothesize, were the reasons that we were just bop beating each other over the head with violence for each other's land, for each other's resources. And the invention of an exchange like a currency is a, it's a, it's in so many ways useful in many ways. And it's also like, are we really that we're just so in our own egos and ruts about this one way of exchanging value that we haven't realized other ways of exchanging value beyond currency? Because right now these markers for well-being, being something like GDP is totally not, not, not it. We were just giving the example of holding space or just being, right? If I'm just being with nature, if I'm just being and enjoying my, my life, I'm, I'm, I'm actually not valued whatsoever by, by, but I'm, but I'm actually very calmly enjoying nature. I might have a deep open heart. I might be more spiritually connecting. So it's like, than if I was being stuck in the economic machinery doing something I don't love. So yeah. Yeah. Well, that's what I actually, when I was in Hong Kong, I picked up a job working in social compliance, which is when an auditor goes to a factory, they're looking for a lot of different things, but, but something has changed. I don't know exactly when this started, but they look for any kind of violations of the workers and the environment. That's what social, what's why I call it social compliance. It's not just specific legal stuff. It, you know, like permits and stuff. It's, it's about protecting the planet and the people that work in these factories, which is, it's gotten better. But of course, there's, there are violations. And the reason that the companies, especially in America, the corporations, when they hire these, they subcontract these factories is they don't want the liability, you know. So like Apple, they had a problem with their, some of the Fox Kong is one of the biggest factories in China. And there was people jumping out the windows and killing themselves because they were just so distraught by the conditions there. Because people are not machines, you know, right? And it's those, those jobs really should have been automated a long time ago, because there's other things we can do with our time. And actually, that's in the Ami book, a lot of people, including myself, were very concerned about, you know, how much stuff is going to be automated? How many people are going to be displaced from their jobs? But it's if they're, if we move to a more equitable, divine sort of brotherhood or fellowship based not even an economy, but just like you said, a way of life, then automation will take over a lot of the just the drudgery, the, you know, the repetitive work, which kind of drives humans crazy. And so if you have advanced machinery and you you program it so that it is doing something that's beneficial for everybody, including the planet, then that's a good thing.  Unfortunately. So anyway, I do think that we're not talking about guaranteed income. That's the other thing is a fallacy. That's not that's not it. It's a it's about inclusive everybody sharing everything inclusive stakeholder. Yeah. Well, okay. So let's let's use the the forbidden forbidden word here is communism or just or just it's never been inclusive stakeholder. I know I should go ahead go ahead and play on that. But just like just such a easy way of understanding it. I know that's like you you already use the platforms so much. And for and for like just using a ride sharing service like an Uber or a Lyft, that you that why why is it just the initial investors and employees and founders are the ones and even the employees that come in later are the ones that get anything the shareholders when really the drivers themselves plus the passengers that take all the rides are the ones that build so much of the value. So to tokenize that and to give people inclusive stakeholder and also the headquarters of these companies is literally in the downtown San Francisco area that they themselves can become inclusive stakeholders in the damn communities there as well and supported that way. So that that mentality I think is and and yeah and go yeah go go go ahead and take it where where you want to go. Well, yeah, I don't like that word either because it's been people say that we've already had communist countries, but I disagree. It's never really been fully implemented to the full extent in the sense that there is everything is a collective. As you said, then everything is shared because everybody would know and act as though we're all family. You know, when you're in a family, you share stuff and you don't say, hey, you need to pay me or whatever like that. It's just there's in other words, the level of competition has to decrease gradually until the because the level of cooperation and or collaboration increases. And that's where we're really all going to win everybody. So that's that's really the reason I bring that up because though that's a very loaded term. And I know a lot of people say they are communists, socialists, whatever, which but I'm not sure they even understand what that is. And ultimately, Soviet Union was never really 100 million people have died trying to make it happen. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah, and other things like that. That's not that's not true around the world. Yeah, it's not a communal. It's not communal living. Not at all. So anyway, I'm just I'm just bringing it up because I know that's OK. So here's a loaded question everybody that you guys can participate into what I'd like to know really seriously. I'd like to know first of all, are you reading the Ami books? If so, what's your opinion of them? And more importantly, though, what do you do to increase the amount of love in your heart? That's a pretty simple question. I know you can answer it. I know I'd like to hear from you. I think Alan would too. And I'm sure it would be it would be very helpful. Yeah. If you if you can answer that question, I will send you a gift. How about that? All right. We'll get your number or your address off the air. Producer Bill, get that if you would be so kind as to call in with answer that question, please. What are you doing to increase the love in your heart? Your love quotient on a daily basis. Your love quotient. Yeah. Yeah. OK. So the phone number<PHONE_NUMBER>. One more time.<PHONE_NUMBER>. Yeah. You know, it was called so we have IQ, the intelligent quotient. Then there was they came up with the counterpart to that was you. Emotional intelligence is actually what they called it. But I think they missed the mark there. The love quotient is a lot more accurate because it's such a random thing. Oh, he's so emotional. You know, give him a higher score. What does that mean?  More empathy? OK. That's I'm on board with empathy, but yeah, anyway, other aspects to that like emotion regulation, you can regulate your emotions. Another aspect that is perspective taking, you can more easily get behind the eyes of another person. There's a lot of aspects to EQ that are really, really strong. But yeah, LQ, the love quotient. Yeah. Yeah. How deeply can you tap into all that is? Sometimes we say we have one foot in the physical world and we have one foot in the in the melting into all that is into spirit or source. And that is beautiful to be able to balance those two. Well, yeah. And that's OK. One of my grandfathers, a very spiritual guy, he told me that balance is always found between two extremes.  It's a very it's an accurate. I should say it's an accurate statement because it's observable to be true. And the the hard part, though, is knowing that as it's happening to you. Yeah. So you don't want to be. I think Buddha said something about not too tight, not too loose, you know, and and in order to be in tune with creation. That's a great way to put it. Because it's it's an ebb and flow all the time. So I don't know. I'm really excited. I know I'm an optimist, but it's like I can give you that some days are more difficult than others examples. The two tight, the two tight are the ones that are in the financial industry, in the suits going around and in exchanging all the numbers and banking and self dealing and also too tight are the self dealing politicians and physicians and food industries and all this type of stuff, media companies. But then the two loose as well in many ways are the ones that are on the they call them now cosmic voyages. It's like sometimes I'm going to I'm like going somewhere with people and I'm like, you know, I got to show the next day, like I got to get back and they're just like surrender to wherever the wind takes them next. And I'm just like, I'm just like, okay, that's cool. Like you can do that.  Yeah, that was a great way to put it. Yeah. All right. So we have a caller Alan hang on. Hey, Ronald, you're on the air. Thanks for calling in. Hi, this is Ronald from Minnesota. How you doing, Robert? I'm doing good. Yeah, our guest tonight is Alan. Hi, Ronald. Yeah, I want interesting, you're talking about finding your North is not when you said North Star, you mean the North Star or do you mean like North Star or a different star? Yeah, the North Star for every human if for every child that's born to the world is their own beautiful creative potential that they can achieve in the world, their own paint stroke of genius that they can bring to the bring to our world. That's good. Yeah. And I think what the question you had is what do I do? Yes, increase your love in your heart. What I do is I share my best gift, which is hopefully a good vibrations to people around me, either on the internet or in real life, you know, when I'm out and about in town.  But in turn, it will come back, you know, and but you have to give it in order to get it. So you have to you have to share the good vibration in order to receive good vibration. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. That's that's what I'm getting your lesson. I love it, Ronald. Yeah. Well, thank you for sharing that. I love it. I love so thank you. All right, take care. We'll talk to you soon. Thank you. Thanks, Ron. You spread in that you spread in that. Anyway, the simulation project or what is it's just the how many people have you interviewed so far? Over 500 people. Yeah.  Come on, 500 people in a year and a half to it's been crazy. Yeah. Yeah. I'm just there's so many smart people in so many different fields. And so I'm trying to share what they're building and how they got there and why it's important with as many people as possible as fast as possible. And so there's just so many smart people to feature. Actually, Robert, you know what's really cool is also going on the road to different countries. And so we have an invitation right now from Peking University in Beijing to go and interview their professors and leadership. And so we're going to do that in September.  That's how we do it all of a sudden simulation has a bunch of interviews from Peking University or from Buenos Aires or from wherever in the world. And you're seeing that that we are all love. We are all want peace and dignity. We all have our yeah, families and and our goals in life and stuff. So these are those tiny little things that I think that we can do to bridge the cultural together. I for the longest time have been wanting to bring the United States and China closer together to ensure maximal prosperity moving forward into the future. So I'm really looking forward to to that. And another really important one is Silicon Valley and Los Angeles to bring to bring them together on the media and Hollywood also with the tech and science that's happening up here. So bringing those two together is really important. There's a lot of these actually you gave the quote balances found between two extremes. And so like yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Well ask ask and maybe you should one of your questions is is you can add to your list of amazing questions is you know, so what are you doing professor to increase the love quotient? I love I highlighted and bold it and underscored love quotient. And I change it to different. I mean, I'm going to turn that into a question. I'm going to right now I'm going to go make it size like 36 in my notes because I'm going to remember that, you know, that's I love that lq baby love quotient. That's so good. Yeah. Yeah, the one is your lq. I can't date you if you've got a low I just don't hang with elk does low lq people. I see him on television all the time. Cool thought is, you know, if you imagine a hierarchy of people or actually it's a bell it's a bell curve of like IQ right in the middle. Yes, the tail ends of the distribution. I wonder where those two bell curves with lq I wonder how they overlap like maybe someone that has really high IQ is actually maybe more in the middle and someone with really high lq could be maybe, you know, in the middle or lower end or whatever, so that they don't necessarily they're not necessarily come together lq and IQ and eq, but they likely do come together if you find yourself further on the bell curve, you're probably also quite able to abstractly reason to a ton of different variables and compute them, which is in many ways, IQ and same thing with eq and lq are similar in some ways too. Yeah, but I don't think it's been written. I know there's an emotional intelligence question metric. I don't I don't know. I guess that could be applied or tweaked a bit so that we could get to this. I don't I mean it's not really that's it's not doesn't require a science a rocket scientist to figure that out. But there probably needs to be some kind of scale. So if anybody out there is interested in putting that together, that little metric of the love quotient, because I think it's pretty easy to test. Obviously, people could lie about it. I don't know why they would. But I you know, we I don't know. I just remember taking the IQ test when I was younger and thinking, man, this is a waste of time. I don't know why something interesting just let me play on two things. Their first thing is on the IQ side, there is something really interesting about being able to basically you're able to abstractly hold a bunch of different variables in your working memory and run a computation in your head. And so that's a big aspect of IQ. And then on an LQ measurement, I think what you mentioned earlier about consonants is a big one. You can literally do FMRI or EEG and you can map someone's level of consonants. And what is that? It's doing things like seeing the symmetry in their in the state of what's going on with the brain activity or similarly with their heart. There's all this new stuff with like heart math that's happening. Oh, yeah, right, right, right. Yeah. Heart Math Institute. Yes. And they write the energy field around your heart. Okay. Okay. Well, that's because it was mentioned in the books, the Ami books, they actually had a device that could measure the level of your love quotient. Yeah, they didn't say quotient, but I'm just using I don't know, I'm I like playing with words. So I thought that was actually a good sort of branding, you know, something that people can digest the concept. All right. And actually, in our world, I know people are going to start using it and probably like competing, competing. But if you're competing on something that's beautiful like that, in a very peaceful loving way, you know, it's like, hey, I really increased it. Look at look at I got look how high I got my love quotient. Yeah. Wow, how'd you do that, bro? Yeah, yeah. And you can joke around and be like, yo, bro, I'm so much more non-dual than you are right now.  It's so good. Shout out some help to Stein, I think said that one. But here's another here's another one is you can do a you can do a like a kind of like a friendly way of just kind of like you're basically poking at someone and you're just saying, like, if they look maybe like a little stressed and stuff, you can say, Hey, how's your love quotient right now? And then they may like kind of snap a little out of their stress state. And they're like, thank you for helping me with that moment. You know, sometimes just asking a person. Yeah, sometimes just asking him how I can see your struggling. I say, is there anything I can do to help?  Yeah, yeah, yeah, it definitely it kind of snaps people out of that dissonant patterning genuine, in a very loving way, genuine, gentle, gentle eye contact is huge, really staying present with the eyes. And and also after you ask the question, how are you feeling? This is it? Hey, let me tell you something. When I was younger and I was working on a lot of you call spiritual metaphysical stuff, I did I was doing these thought experiments. And one of them was about telepathy, just to see how people would react. Or if they could even because I already knew telepathy was real. Some of the extraterrestrials were showing me that they actually not only could send stuff, but they were receiving for sure, they were like reading my thoughts. And they were demonstrating the fact that they were doing that. Okay, which at first was shocking, but ultimately I got over it and just realized, okay, well, maybe that's a good thing. Or at least I got to, I got to figure a way to make a positive something positive out of it. But anyway, I saw like I'm walking around in the city and I'll look at a person and like mentally smile at them and say, hi, how are you doing? You know, and it didn't happen all the time. But it was weird because this person was being walking down the street, you know, kind of robotic.   Now that's not this. But it, but it was, see, the thing was, I was just kind of testing the waters, I was putting my toe in the water just to see if it's, is this real? And if so, what, now what, you know, I mean, I think you're right, we have vocal cords for a reason. But there's something much deeper. So there's a much a greater level of clarity when you, we communicate through telepathy. It's not just words. It's, it's visuals. There's an emotion that comes with it. And sometimes it's extremely visceral. And so, and the other thing is very personal, because the thing is, even though we're using words and like, okay, oranges, right?  And I know what an orange like, and they're different. So, but, but the words, I don't know if suddenly, I'm not saying anything. And I'm just broadcasting.  So in that regard, I get a little bit higher. I did. I smelled it a little bit. I'm serious. I believe you. But it's what I'm saying is that's part of our potential or potentiality of in the future is using this technology is okay, but there's techniques, there's processes, there's skills that we have yet to learn that it's going to eclipse all of this so called digital stuff.  It's crazy. Oh, so that's also another interesting one. I wonder how much further we can go into that field and prove stuff like that. Also, all the stuff about manifesting people do this all the time they go and they go in. They they they prepare for their own performances or whatever it may be by mentally visualizing themselves crush it. And then they and so then they that helps them rock it. There's also examples of of like if all these possibilities space exists of like, you know, Robert Stanley's future trajectory or this child that's born into the world, their future trajectory, all the possibility space exists. Then the idea is how do I collapse the future in the direction that optimizes my trajectory towards my North Star? And that is that requires you in the morning and in the night to not be a dopamine monkey and be grabbing this device. But it requires you to just chill, be and literally meditate on the beautiful future that you're building and envision yourself achieving those goals in the North Star. Yeah, the longer and stronger an individual visualizes whatever it is that they want or need for themselves and others, the greater the likelihood that it will manifest in this reality. And the reason is because as you said, it kind of collapses. We know that the observer through the slit experiment, we know that the observer affects the outcome. Well, if if you don't observe it, it'll still have an outcome, but it probably won't be the one you want or need. And so this goes back to what I was saying before about always expecting someone or something else to do this for you. Well, yeah, they probably will, but you're not going to like it as much as the thing as you because we have this thing. And unfortunately, we've been one of the big lies here on this planet is that our imagination is just an illusion. It's basically relegated to a non essential function when, in fact, it's the opposite. It's one of the greatest abilities or gifts that we were given as divine beings is this so-called imagination, ability to imagine or visualize something in a non-physical so that it can then become part of the physical realm. So that, you know, I know it sounds overly simplistic, but it's a very well-known process. I can go a little deeper into this, too. Go ahead. There's even and I still have yet to to get a better understanding of this. But the general one of the schools of thought for the way that things like creativity emerged in us is that we can basically take in our environment and we can we can abstractly reason all of those different future possibilities that exist. And then the better that someone is at that, the more they are of like a creative genius. But if you go too far in the direction of always creatively, abstractly reasoning all the different futures and having difficulty with all that type of stuff, then there's some some people think that that is what can cause people to go off on too much of a deep end on that on that as well. And they I I I want to say that it's Robert Sapolsky has some work in this field and that it's a it's a genetic evolution. I'm not sure if it's one gene, two gene, if those were the numbers associated with what I was just mentioning. But that that that amount of genes was associated with it. But that essence of it is such a critical part because in order for you to envision a North Star, you you have to be able to abstractly reason at least these different trajectories. For example, Robert, I would have been a completely different human being if I would have stayed in Sioux Falls, South Dakota, completely different. And so by my by making the move to Silicon Valley in California, by making that move, I changed. I bifurcated my life trajectory. And some people argue that this Alan at still in Sioux Falls is living in some parallel universe right now. Yeah. And that one can even potentially in their dream state or even right now, just kind of go between the different parallel universes and go and live in those realms for a bit or they can come through. It's complicated. It's interesting. It's hypothetical. But so can you abstractly reason what your North Star is? Can you see the different paths to get there? And what is most optimal for you? Because it does require that kind of like that that creativity that is also at times can drive people crazy. Robert, some people even feel like, including me, feel like we're swimming in a sea of ideas all the time. And that we have to like as quickly as we can just try and grab grab the ideas and and write them down and try and send them to people to execute because we can't execute all of them.  We can design it and engineer it better. And here's how to do that. And if you run that process more often in your head as an adult and a child, you will become a better designer and engineer of our future. Wow. OK. So you you meet a lot of, you know, a lot of people in Silicon Valley. Is that what they're working on? Or is it just the next gadget?   Yeah, like to find that.  There's a place called Sandhill Road, they hear that just has literally one after the other, all these different venture capital firms and, you know, only and, you know, just that amount of power of all those companies that we were just talking about, plus all of the funding for them. It's like. It's just a massive network effect that's happened in this area. And, you know, that's that's here's one of the things we were just talking about today, actually.  But what it is is it's it's a it's a neuro prosthetic. And what it does is it goes into the exact targeted area where you have Parkinson's and it goes and it adds a virus that that that goes away after you're done. But it adds a virus that makes the neurons in the area that is targeted. It makes them able to be adjusted and impacted by light. It's called up. Well, it's called optogenetics. It's a new field where you can literally modulate neuro neuronal activity in the brain through light. And so he's he's shown 900 people they've helped with Parkinson's through this process.  And all those fields that I listed at the beginning and they're all kind of smashing together, merging. But that's one of the best ways to become a polymath is to go and explore all of those different fields and gain at least some foundational knowledge, because then what you get is you get the novel connections between disciplines that so many people lack. So how could you mesh together something like neuroscience and like the decentralization technologies or how could you mesh something like the the ways that we're processing all of the the the data that's coming in from autonomous vehicles with their cameras and how could you mesh how could you mesh that with the with the biometrics that are within our bodies?  And so it's constant, you know, read out of even pupils is another big one. These these these front facing cameras on these devices have gotten have are getting they're already doing the facial scans to unlock the phone. Well, you can do this is crazy, Robert, you can literally see the you can see pulsations. You can see people's heart rate by the front facing camera on phones because you can see you can see the little tiny micro micro vasculature, the little oh, OK, pulse, the little pulsations and with that type of all the sensors in these devices to be able to read out all these things. So this is what all these people here are, but a lot of people here. So this was sorry, just quick, just quickly finishing that that this that this, you know, the guy that we were talking to Newton, that the idea is before him, a person came on to talk about this global fund for women and women's equality around the planet and how there are still so many countries around the world where women are treated like property, where women are impregnated against the will, where women are uneducated. And because of that, they have they have a limited degrees of freedom with where they want to go into the world. And so it's just interesting dichotomizing those two things where one of them is something strategically around the world trying to go and help people and increase their degrees of freedom, make women more empowered around the world, pursuing their North stars. And the other one is like pretty much for, you know, curing Parkinson's, but also for, you know, people that can really afford something that's probably going to cost half a million dollars or more. So so yeah. So here's this dichotomy. And I think people really do feel like in Silicon Valley, a lot of people are are solving problems either of the hyper wealthy or that are so micro fractionally irrelevant in like you don't need a fifteenth company that does intercompany communication platform. You know what I mean? You don't need that. Go and solve a real world problem. Yeah. And so that's one of the other philosophies around here. There's also a lot of spirituality that's kicking in from the counterculture days that was still here. And that that's yeah, there's an undercurrent of that. I remember jobs that is thing about, well, he did have some of that going on, but he's not the only thing. I just figured there was a lot of different people there that are working on different projects. And some of it, though, that is kind of freaky with the singularity and the transhumanist movement. Those those folks, I that kind of seems like a dead end to me, or at least not a place that I would want to go and be part of at some point. I just I like the natural systems much better reconnect with the cosmos as opposed to this construct, you know, the digital realm. It's virtually real, sure enough, but I don't know. It's just strange times that we're in here. And I kind of feel like this is a repeat of Atlantis in a lot of ways. And and we talk about that so much. We started our you do. We started our show. We did a we did a show on identifying and correcting perverse incentives. And we started that panel. We did an event around that topic. We talked a lot about self dealing and embedded growth obligations and all these other types of things. But we I started the show by giving a quick bit on there have been so many previously collapsed civilizations. There is no guarantee that us kindergartners, third graders playing with these godlike technologies is going to end up in the singularity, you know, so yeah. It's I know it sounds good. It's a great sales job some people are falling for it. It's a great sales pitch. It is. It is like, don't you want to be part of that? Just just jam this into your head. A lot of good. Yeah. Or download your consciousness. Yeah, into a device. No, thank you. Some people will go for it, though, because again, I think that a lot of this is based on fear or at least a lack of love. That's again, this is the thing about the Ami books. It's all about, you know, balancing out your love quotient with the science. And if the science gets too much, then the whole thing just falls. It's like an avalanche. It's just going to it's it's it can't sustain itself. It's just a little unbalanced and it's just going to come down. So I don't know. Take away from our conversation, Robert, I'm so happy that you brought me into the nomenclature. Love quotient constantly tap into our own love quotient, as well as the love quotient of people around us by just checking in by tapping in the mornings and evenings with our families, all this type of stuff. I love that. It's great. Yeah, yeah. And in person is better, unfortunately, it's a lot more difficult these days because everybody's so connected to their devices. Robert, can I make that quick? I want to make a plug. Yeah, we're wrapping up in two minutes. So what do you want? What's your final word? The final thoughts are everyone I'm extremely grateful for Robert for hosting us on his show. Thank you very much for tuning in. I also would love to thank you all for that. Watched also on on video across our platforms as well. Huge thank you for those that are interested in watching some of these thought provoking interviews we have with leaders. You can find it simulation series dot com or across YouTube and Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, et cetera. You can find us a simulation series and also and just everyone have more conversations to your friends, your families, coworkers, people online on social media about these pressing topics that we talked about. Go and share more about this idea of the love quotient around the world and embody it more ourselves. Talk about the ultimate nature of reality more. We need to do that more often as a planet and just the importance of supporting people like Robert. If you like his program, support Robert, help him continue building this program, help Bill as well continue doing his radio program, help simulation do our program, support these artists, these entrepreneurs, these leaders in your communities and let's build the future together. That's that's a wrap from me. Thank you very much. Yeah, excellent. Thank you, Alan, for being a guest and being in all the great work that you and your colleagues are doing over there. All right, ladies and gentlemen, that concludes another episode of the Unicus Radio Hour. As always, I do appreciate your listenership. It's always a privilege and a pleasure. Please be good to yourselves and others. And until next time, may the force be with you. Oh, Alan, the you you do not have a what do you call it, a screen over your microphone. So when you get close and you pop your peas, OK, it's it's very it's it's I can hear we can hear you. That's a good point. Yeah, I can put a cloth of any sort. You got a sock, put a sock on it. A sock will work. Yeah, really? Have you done that, Bill?  A nylon, you know, like those. You have a dress shirt for your shoes. Exactly. Alan. What? Alan, that. So funny, you should ever. It's like a condom. Oh, God. Never mind. I'm putting this I'm putting this at the end of our video channel. Thank God you're just you cut that on video, man. Oh, my God, that's going to go viral.