So we're coming down to the end. We haven't had any kind of internet of things talks in this track before so I'm kind of excited to hear about this. We're going to hear about um speedometers, right? We're going to talk about speedometers and things that you can put on to your put on put on to your bike. This is going to be really cool. Um let's give speaker a give our next speaker a big round of applause. Hi everybody. Uh thank you for being here on a Sunday afternoon. Uh I'm Toma. I'm from Hungary and I work for a small IT security company as a pentester developer the company called PR audit. Uh I'm a regular speaker at uh HackTivity, Central Europe's biggest hacker convention and I also gave a talk uh about uh insecure game scripting engines last year here at Defcon. So the title of my talk is help I've got the end. What are we doing with the end? Uh last year I've targeted one of my hobbies uh flight simulators so I thought it would be appropriate to uh target one of my other hobbies this year mountain biking and uh sorry uh and uh while creating this slide I've just realized that all of my hobbies includes crashing uh so mountain biking, computer security, flight simulators and recently drones. There's a lot of crashing there. I don't know about this. Okay so so mountain biking and the end uh what what does what what do you end have to do with mountain biking? Uh there's a lot of uh gadgets that uh lots of equipment uh involved in sports involved in mountain biking and cycling in general. And uh old school speedometers got replaced by powerful powerful computers. Computers that talk to various sensors like speed sensors, power meters, heart rate monitors, et cetera et cetera. And also uh talk to uh mobile phones or even your PC. And here is where end came in the picture because uh end is a protocol uh that these devices speak. Uh uh I think uh it is not just used by uh sports equipment but uh weight scales but blood pressure monitors or there are even there is even a chat application that uses it to create mesh network on android it's called fire chat. So in this talk uh I will uh introduce you to end and plus and the end to fast protocols and I show you some uh protocol level design errors. And uh after that some implementation errors in various Garmin devices. So uh end. End is a wireless protocol created by Dynastream and uh it is designed for low power devices. Uh you can create uh any kind of network topologies and the participants are called notes. There are slave and master notes uh and these notes are communicating via uh mutually established channels. Uh channels are defined by lots and lots of uh properties like uh frequency uh or um the channel ID. But the most important for us uh from a security standpoint is the network ID because it contains an 8 byte uh long number called network key which according to Dynastream is a security measure. It's a security measure because uh only notes with the same network key can communicate with each other. It sounds good but there are some problems. Uh network keys are managed uh by Dynastream and if you want your uh want a network key for yourself then you have to uh purchase one from Dynastream. Uh and if you use an invalid network s t s uh network key uh then the protocol stack will just default to the public key which is uh public. You can download it from Dynastream's uh web page. There's another problem with the network key. Uh it is being that uh the majority of devices that use and actually use uh and plus or and f s and uh these two protocols have their own uh network key uh and these network keys are also public. They can also be downloaded from Dynastream. So it's uh not much uh security measure because everybody knows those keys. Okay other security measures in the end. There's a pairing bit uh it works like this. Two notes can communicate with each other only if the pairing bit uh is the same for the two notes. So it does not have to be on. It just have to be the same on on two notes. Uh this is fairly easy to circumvent because you can open two channels. One with the pairing bit off and the other with the pairing bit on and one of these channels will succeed. I have first uh noticed that there's something uh fishy with this uh pairing bit when I came home from a mountain bike trip and realized that that uh there are some heart rate uh data on my charts uh despite I don't have a heart rate monitor so it must have picked up picked it up from another cyclist or something like that. Okay I'm gonna show you how easy it is to spoof uh and sensor data. I'm just gonna uh set up my uh Freighton XT to use a power meter and I'm gonna use uh Simulant Plus which is a software released by Dynastream to simulate a power sensor. Just creating the power sensor, setting sensor uh data value that it will transmit, turn it on and the watch should just pick up that signal and display uh that value and yeah it did. So uh without any pairing it is this simple spoof uh and sensor data. Okay back to uh and security measures uh there are these things called inclusion exclusion list and uh white blacklist. They are uh essentially the same uh one for the slave notes, one the other for the uh master notes. Um they could be useful but there's a problem with them. They are uh only available on fairly recent ant chips so uh none of my Garmin devices uh can use these features. Okay another security measure uh ant channels can be encrypted with uh AES CTR but there are some problems with these too. Uh you can't use them with sharp channels uh which makes it uh harder to implement uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh to have for example one by computer with uh multiple sensors and also uh it requires advanced burst data mode which is highly energy efficient and it's kind of problem with low energy devices. So uh these are problems but these have uh another bigger problem too uh encryption can't be used with ant plus. Uh if you use encryption then you are not uh ant plus compliant and you can't interoperate with other uh ant plus devices. Okay so I've mentioned uh this ant plus uh several times already but I did not tell you uh what it is. It's a protocol built on top of ant and it's basically just uh specified so specifies uh so called device profiles. So there's a device profile for uh speed sensors, a device profile for uh heart rate monitors and so on and so on. Uh these device profiles are uh managed by dynastream and they basically uh just govern some characteristics of the ant connection like uh frequency, channel period, and data formats. Uh a few example of uh these device profiles this is a bicycle rear view radar that uses the radar and uh light device profiles. The dropper seat post that uses the seat post device profile.  Okay one of these device profiles uh is called sync and uh it allows you to uh collect and transfer uh sensor data in the form of FIT files. So FIT uh is basically uh a file system uh yep a file system is the file system file format for uh ant fs. Uh the files are fairly simple. They have uh 14 bytes uh header, some data records and the 2 bytes CRC. And all data records have their own uh records header, it's a 1 byte header and some record content. It can be anything really. So uh they store um recorded tracks, your settings, your name, etc. in these uh FIT files. The reason I'm talking about uh FIT files is that my first attempt to uh hack my Fritan XT was to uh try to find some memory corruption uh vulnerabilities in the firmware. And I did that by uh fuzzing the FIT SDK with AFL and uh I did uh get some crashes but they all seemed uh non-exploitable. I've tried to upload them uh to my Fritan XT nevertheless because I was hoping for some uh crash dumps or crash logs or some useful information but I did not get uh either so I I got nothing. Uh the watch did not crash. And uh this got me thinking uh not this uh the ant protocol stack became unavailable for a few minutes and that's got me thinking that maybe the ant protocol stack, the ant fs protocol stack is implemented uh in the ant chip and not the uh actual Garmin firmware. So I have to uh explore this further uh it might be interesting. Okay back to ant fs uh according to dynastream ant fs is uh secure and reliable file transfer protocol built on top of ant. Uh if you google Garmin plus ant then you will uh find some uh rents on various forums about how reliable this stuff is and I do question the security. Uh there are two major security features according to dynastream. One is the built-in encryption. Uh so you can encrypt uh your files and they are also encrypted uh while on the air. It sounds nice but I've seen some ant fs implementations but I did not see anyone that uses uh this encryption feature. The other security uh measure in ant fs is that it employs uh multiple authentication mechanisms. We'll see about them. There are three uh authentication mechanisms. The first being the pass-through mode. It's not really an authentication mechanisms because it works like this. The host just asks the client if it can connect and the client just says yes why not. So uh no information needed to connect. I don't know uh why they did implement this maybe some uh maybe for some testing purposes but the important thing is that it is there and uh you can use it. The second uh authentication mechanism is uh called pairing mode. Uh don't confuse this with the ant uh pairing bit. It's an entirely different uh concept. Uh it requires user interaction. Uh the host sends a serial number and the friendly name to the client. The client device displays this information uh to the user and the user can uh decide if she accepts the connection or not. If the user accepts the connection uh then a pesky is sent from the client to the host. The host stores this pesky and uses it for any further connections. So this pairing has to be uh only once. Okay what's wrong with pairing mode? Uh obviously if you are uh malicious host then you can send any serial numbers or any friendly names to a client so you can maybe get the user to accept the connection. Uh this is one one way to attack pairing mode. The other is that uh after successful pairing the pesky is sent from client to host and it can be sniffed. How do we sniff ant? Uh the ant chips that the majority of these devices use are NRF 24 AP 1 and AP 2 and these are based on the very well known NRF 24 L01 plus chips. So they work in the 2.4 GHz ISM band. They have a 1 megabits per second um uh on our data rate. They use uh GFS key uh modulation. But the actual packet format is not really clear from the documentations. One of the papers mention uh enhanced shock burst so I just went with that. But I only had an RTL SDR which is not capable of uh sniffing 2.4 GHz. But uh luckily I found this uh block post where this guy sniffs NRF 24 L01 packets with uh an RTL SDR and an MMDS down converter. So I uh ordered an MMDS down converter uh said this all up and tried to decode RTL FM output as enhanced shock burst packet. It seemed to almost work. But every byte was the double of the expected. So either they are uh very dumb and they use a brand new highly sophisticated encryption algorithm where the crypt uh where they just multiply the plain text with 2.  So I just went with another idea that the documentation slide and uh the packet format is not really enhanced shock burst. Uh I started reading about uh enhanced shock burst and uh surprise surprise it turned out that there is a shock burst protocol. The 2 uh the difference between the 2 uh is a 9 bit field called uh packet control field. Uh and it's being 9 bits. So it can happen that if you try to interpret a shock burst packet as an enhanced shock burst packet that there is a 1 bit left shift which is uh multiplying with 2. So uh it seemed uh reasonable uh solution. So I've uh implemented shock burst decoding. I've implemented it as a C uh program and uh which uh outputs um hex pairs. And I've also written an NT3.py which interprets these uh hex pairs as NTFS packet. This worked nicely uh as a proof of concept but I wanted something uh cleaner. So I've implemented these uh functionalities in uh Potosfer as uh 2 Potosfer blocks. Uh if you don't know Potosfer it's uh very similar to uh GNU radio com- companion. I just uh like to use it more. Okay I have video of these 2. So this is the hardware. The MMDsDun converter. The RTL-SDR. And I'm using a virtual machine with 2 NTFS sticks here. Uh one for the NTFS host and the other for the NTFS client. So there will be a host and the client on the same machine and they will talk to each other. And we are going to sniff them uh using these Potos uh blocks. Yeah it's starting. Uh so this one is the shock burst decoder and the NTFS decoder I'm opening the uh client channel. The client beacons. We can already see the client beacons. And I will just try to search uh for the client on the host. And uh when the host finds the client uh it sends a link command which changes the uh communication frequency. Uh and this is why this uh feedback from the NTFS decoder to the SDR source is there uh so it can change the uh SDR source's frequency. Okay uh there are some serial number request uh responses. Some more beacons. And when we try to download the directory uh listing it's also file. Uh there's download request response. Pack it. And uh this is actually the uh directory listing. It's not uh yet parsed. And this is where my uh USB stack failed me. It did not uh like all those data. Okay so we've talked uh about two uh authentication data. Uh and uh mechanisms so far. Uh the last one is the pass key mode. Uh pass keys are up to 255 bytes long. Uh so brute forcing them is uh impractical. But uh as I've told you earlier after successful pairing the host remembers the pass key. Uh and the pass keys are stored in a directory structure. So uh there's a client serial number and the corresponding uh pass key. Another serial number. Another pass key and so on and so on. And when the the host encounters uh client with a known serial then it tries to uh authenticate uh with the stored pass key. This whole process could be uh managed in the middle uh by first posing uh as an interface host uh acquiring the client serial number. Then spoofing the serial number. Acting as a client uh the host will send us the pass key. And we can then use this pass key to authenticate to the client. Uh I've tried to use interface PC tools for this uh and I've expected to use to find the pass key in the debug logs. But the actual pass key algorithm made it impossible because the host checks the uh pass key lines. Uh and if it does not match the stored uh lines then it aborts the authentication process. But since uh we are the host in step two uh we can patch these uh functionality uh and and still get the pass key. I found out that uh the ant uh wrapped lib.dlr contains the code pass uh for for this functionality. I've almost uh started to binary patch it but uh I noticed just in time that uh uh Dynastream actually released the source codes so I just have to modify the C code and recompile the uh DLL to do this attack. So as first step we are going to uh pose as a host and get the client serial number. And just setting up some things here. Okay. And I've also used used my free Tonext for this. The host is searching for the client. And we should get the client information soon. Yeah it's not the uh not the fastest protocol but we yeah we we've got the uh device ID which will be needed. So the with that device ID we can start an NFSPC client and impersonate that client. Okay I'm just skipping some parts. Yep. So uh started the client and I'm starting Garmin Express on my other computer uh where this uh free Tonext is already registered. And because Garmin Express thinks that this NFSPC client is this watch uh it will send the pass key to it. And we can see it in the debug logs. Opening the log files. And uh these lines with uh starting with the HCK. Those are the uh patched in uh stuff. That's the pass key length and the pass key itself. And now we can use that pass key uh to authenticate to the watch and download the files from it. Uh yeah I'm just uh copy pasting that pass key. Starting with the channel. Starting searching for the client. And uh you can see that uh there is no user interaction on the client's side. It's pass key it succeeded and we can download the directory structure uh without uh any user interaction from the client's side. So this how uh this money in the middle attack works. Okay so uh this was the part about the uh design errors the protocol level errors. So I just uh recap it uh and ask the question is it all crap? And yeah I have to say it uh pretty much is uh it is possible to uh create uh secure and connection. But you have to purchase your own uh network key from dynastream. You can't use uh and plus so you won't be able to interoperate with uh other and plus devices. And also you have to use uh fairly recent ant chips. So uh moving on to uh implementation errors. I'm going to show you uh implementation errors in Garmin devices uh simply because I have those Garmin devices because of mountain biking. So I don't have anything against Garmin. I just use their stuff. Okay uh the first authentication method was uh the pass through mode. And I've uh assumed that it is only used for uh testing or something like that. But of course I've implemented it uh in a little proof of concept script called hackant.py. And I've tried it uh with both my Garmin uh free 10xt and with my Vivo fit uh and it worked. So it means that you can uh access all the files on these devices without any authentication. We're just using the pass through mode. Uh I'm showing showing you this by downloading the directory structure uh from a Vivo fit using this pass through mode. And uh yeah it succeeded. Uh if this was not enough there's another mode uh with you can access uh I assume all Garmin devices. I could access uh every Garmin devices I've tried with this. Uh and it works like uh this. Mmm. And I am sorry. Okay so uh I just confused the uh slides. Okay uh so uh there's a feature called uh OTA firmware updates. There are lots and lots of uh devices that uh don't even have any other uh communication um method and end. So firmware updates have to be done via end. Uh the firmware update method is uh pretty well documented by by dine stream. But of course Garmin does not use this method. So I've started to uh reverse engineer the Garmin Express services to learn how it actually works. But I've got distracted. I've got distracted by these two uh methods. The first being compute factory part uh device pass key. And the other being has factory part device pass key. I've assumed that uh they are using these for uh bundled uh devices so you you can uh buy uh watch and heart rate monitor together and they are factory uh paired. So you don't have to do that. But of course I've implemented uh this compute factory part device pass key method in hack and dot by two. And I've tried it with the Frit and XT and Vivo FIT. And it worked in both cases. So it basically computes a pass key from the device's serial number and uses it for connection. The serial number as I've shown you earlier can be uh obtained by uh posing as a host. And we are posing as a host because we are trying to uh download files from a client. And it worked. Uh you can see that uh here's the uh device ID, the serial number, and the computed pass key. So this is another method to access uh Garmin devices. Uh one more thing about it. This uh is that you uh don't have to pose as a host to get the serial number uh because they are printed on the device itself and also on the packaging. So you can just walk into bus buy write down a lot of uh serial numbers and then hack the devices later. Okay so I've started talking about uh over the firmware updates. Uh and uh it works like this with uh Garmin uh gadgets. The firmware updates are uh RGN files, which uh which are so called region wrapped uh firmware files. They have to be unwrapped and these unwrapped firmware file has to be uploaded to the NTFS directory uh to the first index of the NTFS directory. Uh it's that simple. Of course I've tried to uh upload uh firmware's that are modified but at first I did not succeed. So uh it was clear that there is some uh firmware checking algorithm. And uh in the VivoFit firmware I found uh two CRC 16 tables and two CRC 16 functions. But it turned out that uh these were not used for uh firmware integrity checking. But finding them was uh still useful. And I loved this about hacking that uh there's a lot of scenarios where you go down one row uh one row and you expect some result. Uh and you don't get that result but what you get is still useful. So what, what was useful about this is uh these functions used direct addresses uh to the uh CRC 16 tables which made it possible to deduce uh on what address the firmware is actually loaded in memory. So it was useful for me. But the actual uh firmware integrity checking algorithm was much much simpler than CRC 16. Uh it was uh there's just a requirement that the sum of all bytes have to be zero. It's fairly easy to calculate. So I've also uh implemented this feature in Hackant.py. And I show you this by upgrading the VivoFit firmware after slightly modifying it. So first uh unwrapping the uh firmware file uh modifying it uh I'm just gonna replace the string sleep with uh another string uh hacked. Okay saving the file uh fixing the CRC and uh uploading uh it to the device using Hackant.py. Uploading it to the first index as a device file type. And uh as you can see uh in the case of the VivoFit it actually requires uh user interaction because uh the ant protocol stack is uh off by default uh for the reason of preserving battery. But uh you can do this with the free Tanax T and uh it requires no user interaction. I'm using the VivoFit for this demo because it's uh much simpler device and much cheaper device so it's uh not that much pain if I uh break it somehow. Okay so the firmware update succeeded and uh now we try to enter sleep mode and it should display hacked instead of sleep. And yeah it does. So thanks. Thanks. Oh. Stop, stop, stop. Okay so it was uh uh very little modification but uh you can imagine that uh there's a lot of stuff that can be done uh with this. Okay I have one other thing to uh show you. Uh and it it is not strictly ant related but I found this issue while doing this research. Uh in the VivoFit firmware I have found an XMS string uh which kinda looked like uh some kind of device descriptor file. And I've tried to reverse engineer the Garmin Connect uh Android application to see uh what this file is. And I have found some functions that download this file and process this file uh um from the device. A few years ago I've reported uh some XXC vulnerabilities to Garmin. At least I try to report them. Uh got no response. So the first thought was that maybe this is XXC able to. Uh I was thinking about uh uh attacking my phone via a modified firmware VivoFit using XXC. So I've just uh replaced the XML string with an XXC stub that uh uses a uh external parameter entity to connect back to one of my servers. Uh uploaded this firmware to the uh VivoFit and try to connect it to my phone. Okay. Uh and yeah it's uh I'm going to disappoint you guys here because I don't have a video or a live demo of this. I just had the have these uh uh screenshots but the important thing is that uh when I try to uh connect my VivoFit to my uh mobile phone, a connection came to my server. But the connection did not came from my mobile phone. It was not my IP address but uh after looking it up it was a Garmin IP address. So what's happened is the mobile phone downloaded the XML file from the uh VivoFit and uh sent it to directly without any modifications to a Garmin service. And the Garmin service was susceptible to XXC. Uh and you can see it's even Java so you can uh do directory listings and stuff like that. And I think it's uh really complicated but it's a really nice way to find uh a vulnerability like this in a major renders uh internet accessible services. Okay so um this was the last thing I uh wanted to show you guys. Uh small summary and it's bad. Uh I'm using it because I I I have these devices but it's really easy to sniff, really easy to uh man in the middle. The security features are not really security features. They they are fairly easy to circumvent. Uh so it is really easy to steal your track data, your settings data, all your files uh that are on these devices. Uh or even it is even possible to update to replace uh the firmware on your device without your knowledge uh remotely. Okay so uh if you have uh any questions you can contact me in uh these channels and the uh scripts and uh tools I've mentioned that I have written uh will be available on my github uh later today. Uh thank you very much for uh listening to this talk. Bye bye.


Alright, it is 603 so why don't we go ahead and get started. Hello and welcome everyone to No Poetry No Peace, a reading and celebration of human expression and peace. My name is Taryn Edwards and I am one of the librarians here at the Mechanics Institute of San Francisco. For those of you who are unfamiliar with mechanics, we are an independent membership organization that houses a wonderful library, you can see it right behind me. The oldest in fact that is designed to serve the general public. We're also a cultural event center and a world renowned chess club that is the oldest in the nation. All of our activities are virtual right now but we are in the process of reopening and hosting events live and in person. And I want to encourage you to consider becoming a member with us. It is only $120 a year and with that you help support our contribution to the literary and cultural world of the San Francisco Bay Area. This event in particular was produced in partnership with the San Francisco Writers Conference, and together we aim to provide low cost or free writing activities to the San Francisco Bay Area, and beyond. Tonight our host is Cheryl B's Boutet, who is a Mechanics Institute member, and also a push cart prize nominee. She's an Oakland multidisciplinary writer whose aim is to explore the politics of race and economics without breaking out of her fictional or poetic narrative. In her poetry collection, she has written with her daughter, Dr. Angela Boutet titled No Poetry, No Peace. So the same name as this event was published in August 20. What year are we 2020 and, and it was such a powerful collection that we decided to name this reading series after it. And thank you so much Cheryl for hosting as always and all the things that you do to make mechanics, a really vibrant place for writers. Well, thank you, Karen. And thank you, poets and I'm so glad that you have all joined us this evening for this wonderful event. I'm looking forward to hearing each and every one of your stunningly beautiful poems I know that's what they are. So this evening, we gather with a group of stunningly gifted poets under the banner of No Poetry, No Peace. And I'd like to open this wonderful reading with this poetic passage from National Poet Laureate, Laureate Joy Harjo, who writes, I gave my mind, the task of holding the door open for the ancestors, the guardians, the winds. When I sing poetry, there is no way in for evil. Welcome poets. Welcome everyone. Let's do some poeting. I understand that I have a little screen problem but I'm going to just keep on going and introduce the first poet and we'll try to get that fixed. The first poet tonight is Manaz Badi, who is an Iranian American poet, painter, and translator whose work has been published in several languages worldwide. Her work has appeared in many literary magazines, including Exiled, Inc., International Poetry Magazine, and Marin Poetry Center Anthology. Welcome Manaz. Thank you very much for your introduction. And hi everyone. Good to be here. I'm honored to be here with all these really great poets tonight. I'm going to start reading a poem from Rumi that I'm sure everyone of you are familiar with Rumi's poems. And then I will read a translation of Rumi's poem, then I will follow with two of my own poems. Jalaluddin Muhammad Rumi, more popularly known simply as Rumi, was a 13th century Persian poet. And this is the poem, one of his poems. This is a poem from Manaz Badi, who is an Iranian poet. Manato B, Manato Jam Shabbi, Maser Shog, Khushu Farik, Zikharafa, Te Parishan Manato, Tutiyan, Falaki, Jomle Shikar Khaw Shavan, Dar Magami, Ki Bekhandeem, Bedansan Manato. This is exact poem that Rumi wrote in 13th century. Another translation of that poem. A moment of happiness. You and I sitting on the Bernada, apparently two, but one in soul, you and I. We feel the flowing water of life here. You and I with the garden's beauty and the birds singing. The stars will be watching us and we will show them what it is to be a thin crescent moon. You and I, unselfed, will be together. You and I, friend two, idols speculation, you and I. The parrots of heaven will be cracking sugar as we laugh together, you and I. In one form upon this earth and in another form in a timeless sweet land. So that was Rumi's poem and translation. Now I will read one of my poem called Ocean. The day I was riding on the ferry from San Francisco, I saw someone was walking on the surface of the ocean who was dead years ago. The ocean we love with its endless beauty had a chest filled with drama screaming with the echoing voices of the dead and the wounds of unfortunate sailors and the melody of the corpse of migrating birds. While each new wave was swallowing the previous wave, the ocean had a gift for the forgotten dead. The gift of blood on its shores. The gift of the lifeless body of the little boy, Artin Najad, with a piece of his mother's dress in his hand. The last pair of shoes arriving with each wave from unknown rivers and oceans. I felt the burning of the ocean's heart from black oil dripping on its blue chest from tankers from the black boxes drowned with the destiny of countless lovers. And in the ferry on that foggy morning towards San Quentin, where the body of my friend Faye was found years ago from the window. I looked at the grayish restless water and I saw that Faye's eyes repeating themselves in thousands on the chest of the Pacific Ocean in a circular motion. Her long head has covered the surface of the cold water trying to be a nest for the last birds. I reached my hands to grab her from the threshold of death, but she was disappearing hand in hand with hundreds of people who lost their last breath in the Pacific Ocean. I lost a friend and her image in the same water. Thank you for listening. Now the second poem called Wall. What is it about the walls? Used to be a place we could hide behind as a kid. A place we exchanged our forbidden kisses with the one we loved. The wall in my childhood memory that I watched the sunrise on its shoulder and sunset on its skirt. As I get older, the walls showed me a different meaning. The wall they bombed and poured on poor people's heads. They built to stop human interactions and then demolished the Berlin Wall and enjoying the Hardian Wall built by Roman emperors. While enclave of Melilla fed to the sorrow of Moroccans, knowing Moscow once died behind the Kremlin Wall. All invisible walls. My accent is a wall.  Your builders of falls wall of selfishness. Wall of racism. Wall of poverty. Wall of elimination. Wall is made of crime, blood, poverty and separation. Let's ruin the walls. Let's ruin the walls before they are built. Thank you for listening. Angela. Thank you my mom's. You're welcome. Am I done with my time eight minutes. You know, I didn't time you, but I think. Did you time. Probably. Seven minutes. That's fine. I think I'm done. Thank you so much. Thank you. Thank you everyone for listening. Thank you. Thank you. Beautiful imagery. Thank you. Really wonderful. Thank you. Thank you. Michael wars in the house. Michael. Michael is a 2021 San Francisco artists grant. And 2020 Berkeley lifetime achievement award recipient. His books include of poetry and protests. From Emmett till to Trayvon Martin. The Armageddon of funk.  Welcome Michael war. Thank you. This is really good to be here with all these wonderful poets. I'm going to read three poems. The first one I'm going to share an image with so bear with me for a second. Oh, please. You gonna see that. Yes. Good. So mall, who's going to be reading later and her partner in good crime, Megan Wilson. They invited me to write a poem. In response to the mural, the will to live in Clarion Alley as part of the wall in response series. Minaz and I did not have any conversation before this, but it just so happens that my phone is also about a wall. It's called This Is More Than A Wall. Dreams escape our mouth at the velocity of hornets fleeing fire. Beneath the surface of our callous and cultivated skin, we repel apartheid tagging. White wash aerosol sprayed and praised at uniform knees on our neck in the streets, olive groves, buffer zones, chains of cells, labyrinth of grotting laws or barrel of an Uzi in the ceaseless invasion of every crease of life. All of this at you excrete will be washed away with American gifted weaponry by the unrelenting reign of resistance and the threat of eventual peace. You may momentarily obscure the obvious by spraying over bravery with treachery, hiding truth with thickets of lies. Still, even your stomach turns silently knowing that oppression nourishes its own demise through the gut-wrenching loss of all innocence, the strangling of simple movement, the daily dismantling of hope, dictating the most basic things that humans cannot do. I urge everyone to go to, you know, on the internet and look up Walden response to upcoming events and also the work of the other poets. It's just remarkable. And also visit Clareden Alley. So the next poem was another poem that was commissioned and it was commissioned by SF Urban Film Fest for this year's festival. As part of its morning, it's an act of love public exhibition at the Yerba Buenos Center for the Arts and it is my pandemic poem. The title is The City Speaks of this moment. Tears roll down my streets and hills as they suffer from emptiness. Some life has disappeared, some life has returned. Coyotes feel safer in the suddenly borderless wilderness and roam through my urban forests. I watch the ripe crowned swallows swell around now lifeless toll boots on a quieter golden gate. I hear them singing a new song. They hear each other say above the den of silent traffic.  They do not want things back the way they used to be. They have never been sheltered in time or placed. They crave a new world, a caring centered healing world played by infectious sanity. I see the signs on shuttered eateries predicting that we will survive. Realists calculate not all of us. I hear them shouting on their soapbox from overpriced rooftops that some of us is better than none of us. I know from agonizing experience that we are lost without dreamers. I have burned down before, down to the edges of Venice Avenue. Faults have shaken and broken my body. Bridges cracked, towers toppled, chasms opened, parts stopped. I have survived and recovered from overwhelming loss. I have rebuilt, although not for everyone. This time it could be different. And this last poem is something I just started this weekend. The working title is My No Poetry, No Peace Bucket List.  Speak when others will not hear whether the words are blunt or bliss. Don't let the shame of white settler ancestry drown your memory in tears. Place history on a pedestal low enough for the smallest child to see. Exposed deniers even as they preach while fondling what they call holy. Write the same poem a thousand times, a thousand ways until no longer needed. Resist confinement behind the bars of bourgeois beauty. Curl words into the high-speed hurricane of the lighting, values, shit, and digital debris. Unmask the faces of friendly fascism.  Thank you. Wonderful. I love your No Poetry, No Peace Bucket List. That's a poem in progress. Love it. And you brought that mural to life. Thank you so much. Wonderful. Joan Gelfand is here tonight, author of three poetry collections. Joan Gelfand's reviews, stories, essays, and poetry have appeared in national and international literary journals and magazines. The recipient of 20 writing awards, her debut novel Extreme, was named New Fiction Finalist in the 2020 International Book Awards. Welcome Joan Gelfand. Joan, are you there? Hold on. There we go. Thank you, Cheryl.  And just in the name of Synergy Michael, I'm reading from my book, A Dreamer's Guide to Cities and Streams. So you mentioned Dreamers. So, you know, poets, we're all on some kind of wavelengths here. I'm going to start with War Rant. Elena says she wants more passion. Andrea quit reading the morning news. Yvette sees the devil wears Prada twice. Her savior is in fashion. I check on emails, avoid overlong cues, await a daily dose of inspiration, wondering if I've paid enough dues. Adam watches the blogosphere for flash mobs, trends in hot spots, and we all fret about the biosphere, while white girls don't do much hip hop. But for me, I can't help it. Rhythm and words are my companions, true and loyal. So forgive me now. If I don't exactly know how to do it, just say this is a rant. Peace and love style. I want to save the world, do it now, don't get caught by indecision, paralysis, missteps or overwrought. But the world and I have conflicting views on how to end this madness. Stop the bombings, end the wars. I cry, but no one listens to my news. Night times glisten with the sweat of murder, mayhem, slaughter, faction killing, faction, Shiite, Sunni, Kurd, why? We're all mothers, fathers, daughters. I could go over there, I think, land smack down on the pavement.  While dancing on the griddle of hot sand and tar, there is no left, no right, no middle. Stop the killing, end the riddle. But I'd be dead before you could say red. And then I think, if not now, when? Wasn't it I who called myself a warrior? Each day, new news arrives stinking, reeking with tragedies undreamed, tidal waves, heat waves, bodies downstream, a wave of bombings on an unsuspecting train. I voted right, I mean left, is my persistent refrain. I took myself off the list of dinner parties where people complain of gas prices and fish prices and politics not spoken, because I'm sick of being powerless, feeling broken. So come on, people, do one thing today for peace. Save a tree, save a child, sign a paper, beg for release of fighters and lovers for peaceniks and hippies. This battle of West meets East is not exactly what we ordered. The next piece I'm going to read and I'm going to kind of keep going because I have three poems in eight minutes, so I'm just going to keep trucking along. This one is my love letter to the planet. It's called Requiem for a Dying World. I have to explain two words. In the first line there's a word called, that is Hador, and it's like a burqa. It's a covering that females wear. And then in the list of fruits, you're going to hear the word doom, d-u-m, and it's an extinct vegetable. So just so that you know, because it's a little confusing, Requiem for a Dying World. Crouched figure folds into black Hador, four wooden crates balanced on her bent back. She takes the steps into the old city one by one as mosque calls pitties men from shops and homes. She does not pray inside the golden dome. She does not sigh or moan. The fertile crescent shrivels, the seed cannot be planted. Perseo, white lotus, and doom refuse to thrive in drought, dry desert air. Over time, we lose the taste for something gorgeous, the sweet and sour flavor, the one that made you pout and pucker. Further east, in Tertuganga, wisened farmer reflects under hot sun glinting off rice paddies geometry. His children have gone wandering, hustling tourists. What will become of my fields? Who will plant, nurse each stalk?  Over the mountains, foul smoke creeps, wars, detritus, China's factories, solely pristine landscapes halfway around the continent. A wide belt of pollution, clamoring for solutions. The fertile crescent shrivels, the seed cannot be planted. Perseo, white lotus, and doom refuse to thrive in drought, dry desert air. What was once done with ease our women can't conceive is now the labor of specialists. While next door, Dubai thrives on oil, high rises in the desert, and you drive your battered Toyota to the store for milk and something to feed your children. Over the mountain, foul smoke creeps, the taste for cash replaces the taste for something gorgeous. The one that made you pout and pucker. Perseo, white lotus, and doom. At the headwaters, diversion kills the chinooks, starves the natives, so farmers can grow rice in drought ridden California. Down below the equatorial line, messiah, Samoan, wonder, why no rain, why too much rain? We can't grow in the dry, can't go in the cyclone. Special interests, lobby bills against the earth like rotten chocolates. Over the mountains, foul smoke creeps, while we lose our taste buds for Perseo, white lotus, and doom. And the last one is from a different book called The Long Blue Room, published by Benesha Literary Arts, and this one is called While I Am Writing. While I Am Writing, Sampancho's sizzles, cockatoo shivers, hibiscus branch, orange flowers tremble, babbled bird conversations, sky calling, sun seducing, so distracting. While I Am Writing in Sampancho, black chicken tiptoes into yard, shrugs, cackles, birds whistle, loath, thrum, delivered from static radio, mothers scolding. While I Am Writing in Sampancho, netti instructs Suzanne in guitar fingerings, charms with Latin songs of longing, plays with Spanish inflection, great and total affection. While I Am Writing in Sampancho, trucks bounce on cobbled street with wrecked shocks, megaphone hawks, aguiporo, flogas, camarones. While I Am Writing in Sampancho, the Pacific Pounds, Bakes, cocoa fronds, adiputant skirt rustle, frigate bird swoop, swallows dive, parrots sing. While I Am Writing in Sampancho, Haiti digs out it's dead, searches collapse structures, howls its loss. While I Am Writing in Sampancho, the world is living and turning and loving and shaking, yelling and birthing, selling and buying, living and dying. Thank you, John. Always visual, always beautiful. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you for having me. John Rowe, how you doing John Rowe? John Rowe has been active in the Bay Area poetry community for 25 years, especially with the Bay Area Poets Coalition, a non-profit, volunteer-run organization. He currently hosts a monthly open poetry reading on Zoom for BAPC. His poems have appeared in numerous small press journals and anthologies, and he has authored several poetry chat books, including Beyond Perspective. Welcome, John Rowe. Thank you, Cheryl. Appreciate it. Thank you, Taryn and Mechanics Institute for hosting. And I'm going to start off with a short form, a little sampler of Tonka, five-line poems. So there'll be a little pause or breath between each one. Days go by both faster and slower during the pandemic. You called a pair of ducks. I hear a pair of ducks. A sudden single-filed march of six wild turkeys stopping traffic. Do I stride with such focus into an unknown future?  Pause for a moment or more than a moment of silence than poetry. This next poem is titled Return. I have let the bird out of its cage for freedom in a room that we're in together. The bird flaps frantically, begins to fly in circles close to the walls, as if even the space of the room is not enough. I whistle a tune, hoping to restore calm, but the bird continues its frenzied flight. We are divided and cannot go on like this. I realize that I must let go. I raise a shade, then open a window. The bird flies away into the clouds swirls sky. I sit down in the center of the room, lament for what is gone. Closing my eyes, I imagine a journey into the unknown, into a place of great silence. A peace grows in this silence. After a while, I open my eyes. To my surprise, the bird has returned, perched on the windowsill, staring at me. This next poem is a palindrome form called Tua Nortza, Astronauts Build Backwards, and it's the second half of the poem repeats the lines of the first half in reverse order. Enter, walking up or down the staircase, step by careful, deliberate step. Where do you want to go from here? In a spacious room with a big open book, the blank page, the journey begins. A hawk circles the before and after sky. Light imagines the dark. Dark imagines the light. An idea is born out of an emptiness. Light imagines the dark. Dark imagines the light. A hawk circles the before and after sky. The blank page, the journey begins. In a spacious room with a big open book, where do you want to go from here? Step by careful, deliberate step. Walking up or down the staircase. Certain questions along the way. Is there a road that never ends? If so, can I spare the time to travel it? And if I tire along the way, will there be a good place to rest? Maybe called the journey's end? And I'll imagine the space ahead growing darker and brighter simultaneously. Will you be there along the way, sitting on a stump off to the side, or gazing skyward at the bellies of a gliding migration? And will you speak to me? Will we recognize each other? Will uncertain answers follow certain questions? And the fence dividing the road and pasture appears to go on forever. Will it resist a forceful wind, bending and creaking as it does, with the brittle limbs until silence? Just a couple more short ones. If he was waiting for the meaning of life, and perhaps would be waiting for some time to come. In the meantime, he fed the pigeons on his lunch hour downtown, right in the center of things. This is how God witnessed him.  Just before, from a very high perch, the hidden birds sing. Don't give up art for love. Don't give up love for art. Then as if on cue, a golden egg drops down toward the horizon, burning brightly, melding into one indivisible, invisible wish. As a jazz man steps out onto a rooftop, presses his lips to his horn, and blows out a punctuating note while spinning his body 360 degrees. It can happen like this, suddenly, just before death, just before birth. Thank you very much. Thank you, John. As always, your poetry is moving and meaningful. Thank you so much for being here. Thank you, Cheryl. Ma Shane Wynn. Hello, Ma Shane. She is the first poet laureate of El Cerrito, California, and the author of poetry chapbooks, Ruins of a Glittering Palace, and Score and Bone. Her full-length poetry collection, Storage Unit for the Spirit House, was long-listed for the Penn America Open Book Award. Please welcome Ma Shane Wynn. Thank you, Cheryl. Thank you, Cheryl, and thank you, Taryn and the Mechanics Institute, for hosting this evening. Winter hair. I hear the songbirds more these days. Try to decipher sirens and calls. Tom makes a cocktail for us called Black Lily. I grow out my white roots, winter hair. Arcalico wails at 3 a.m. My mother's losing her hearing. Figs fall from nearby trees. Wild bobcat roams yards of shuttered homes. I read somewhere that Blue Jay's Moult, Un Kent, they fly away. And I'd like to share two new poems, and this one is called Letter from the Waiting Room. Dear H, I'm hanging out in the Waiting Room. I blink into another eye. Gold shades. Sirens again. Seeing another city through the window of another's window. I live in a two-second time lapse. Dear H, I knitted a quilt for you. Slippers of green lint throughout. Warmth in the Waiting Room now. My limbs are soft with pain. Slept last night with ears open. Noted the following. Pollen drift. Vessel crack. Pillar bark. Dear H, missing your dry arms. Crackling eyes. Generous fountains. You threw me a life rope once, and I leapt out of bed to reach. And this.  Strangers began to gather. You sunk your hand and lifted a spinning plate from the trunk. Applause and more applause. Dear H, my cat visited me from the other world. She witnessed blists busting from the pockets of houses open once again. Bright light from the storehouse. Tinny bell tones. She could smell the dirt from behind the shed. And this is entitled Small Finches. In the dream, the body runs from fire. Throws on a cape and dashes through the door. The body heads for the hills. This was overheard once at a party. Head for the hills. An ambulance speeds by. Blur of rust. The body informs the mind. Emergency. The body tries to soothe the mind. Breathe. In a dream, the body sees the mother in a glass tank. There is water on the floor and the feet of the body are cold. Sometimes I forget I have a body. A therapist once said that I did not have holes in my energy field. However, my ex had many. In the dream, I have powerful legs.  I fly over burning hills and flash floods. Leap over hospitals and shuttered stores. My body delivers a message. Drink three bottles of ginger water. My mother's body needs a walker, a hospital bed. She reads in her dreams. In the body of the dream, I am swimming. I swim in a deep lake surrounded by furs and ferns. The water soothes the mind. My mother's body rests on a blanket of warm grass. Books turn pages on their own. Small finches sleep in ferns. And this is my last poem. And this was written for a mural by Megan Wilson for an exhibition at the Asian Art Museum in San Francisco. And the show was called Flower Power. And the title of this poem is Flower Instructions. 1. Blanket streets with plum blossoms. Rest body against warm concrete. Find rose petals on sidewalk. Glimmer of the memory garden. 2. Follow trail of invisible bees. Nectar guides for the lost ones. Fling lasso into summer darkness. Hear whistles and megaphone. 3. Hold body close to body. Breathe in the greenhouse. Wear wet glitter and silver hose. Lick salt on skin. 4. Catch whispers in libraries. Greet strangers with acorns and grapefruit. Remember eyes, ghosts, smoke. Watch brothers as they disappear. 5. Imagine a new world. Keep sisters close. Thank you very much. I almost forgot to unmute myself. I was listening so intently. Thank you, Ma. Thank you. Thank you. Beautiful and precious. Lovely. Thank you. Okay, so now it's my turn. And guess what book I'm going to read from? No poetry, no bees.   She said, she said, arriving at the kitchen on a Saturday night, two friends prepare for their weekly flight into poetry, prose, confession, and philosophy, a dose of gossip, foundations of truth, reflections on just how it really is just to be. I crouch in the crack of the hide me door and wait for the splash that signals the first pour. Outcome the jelly jars, the quart of foremost milk, the silver bowl of ice makes cocktail silk. The Scotch is Cutty Sark, the label with the ship.  They mix, they stir, ease into the no talk luxurious person. I ready my hands to fill my mouth with joys and sins and wait still, so still, for the grand began. On this weekend night, I feast on facts of life. I breathe in tales of love, loss, and personal strife. The more they drink, the more poetic the pull. Cutty and milk float edible stanzas. I devour, I delight, I will never be full. Elbows on the edges, heads caught to the side. Alphabet starts its flow and fly. A full course meal, as long as Smith is alive. And then she said, she said, somebody named Ethics got kidnapped last night.  Fearless was stabbed, bled out on the floor. Truth shot in the heart, left in the empty no more. Access blocked by bigot detours, a daily flight to stay a nickel from poor. Is that all you got? All you got? She said, she said. I heard democracy was held at gunpoint last night. In his own bed. So he snitched on love and left her for dead. Mediocrity is quality, all part of the scheme. Nobody loves you, it's just what it seems. Whistling on their way to murder another dream. She said, she said, hands in the air. I ate what she said. Girl, you too heavy and it's getting dark. So let me tell you about cheating, miss wife, miss Clark. They say she's slutty, but he's nasty too. But they ain't talking about that. It's kind of nutty. Always a woman's problem. Lord, pastor, cutty. She said, she said, I bit off the piece of what she said. Let me fill my glass. Yes, I heard about that. I sure don't blame her.  They say he knows and doesn't care. Then the opposite of the other, neither worth a stare. Hey, what you gonna do about that party next week? Who you going with? What you gonna wear? Can I take a peek? She said, she said her palm on my face.   Last time we stepped in like twins down to the shoes and up to that. The men couldn't choose. I'm not having that. The communists knocked on the door last week, said they would treat us better, give us the freedom we seek. She said, she said, I tasted the salt in what she said. I don't trust them either. Coming to us on a lark, I just put my faith in cutty sark, she said. Ha, ha, he ain't girl, you crazy. But I believe that, yes, I agree. It's getting late. I'll just have one more. Pass the ice, drink up. Cutty's coming to shore. I know you hiding behind that door. Just remember this little girl of mine, a drink with a friend is a good passage of time, but life's twists and turns don't always rhyme. I saw her then, and she saw me, cutty and milk, sales of memories. I kept, I kept what she said, what she said. Thank you, poets. Thank you, Taryn, and thank you, the Mechanics Institute Library and the San Francisco Writers Conference. And thank you, audience, all of you, the people out there for coming to listen to us tonight. And I hope you enjoyed it. And everyone, I hope that you come back for more. And what are we calling this? No poetry. No peace. Thank you, Taryn. And I hope you all have a nice evening. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you all. Very nice evening. Take care. Bye. Bye. Thank you. Bye.


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Welcome to ReHash! On the internet where all news is old news, we bring you the best and worst of what's happening today. Hey guys, my name is ExtremeDuck and you are watching ReHash! Thank you so much to ExtremeDuck who provided our intro. If you'd like to be awesome like him, link in the description where you can provide an intro and we'll talk about you at the end of any of the episodes. We've got a lot of news to go over today, so we're gonna try to make this quick today. Razer, the gaming peripheral company, recently purchased Ouya, which is an open source platform for games. Now in doing so, Ouya actually created a little bit of badwill with some of the developers that had worked on console exclusives. Now there's actually a little bit of good news in that Razer has decided to make all of Ouya's debts good, which it didn't have to do. So good on you, Razer. Mojang or Mojang, depending on how you pronounce it, just released Minecraft 1.9, the very first snapshot. 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The new leader of the DEA, for those of you not aware, that's Drug Enforcement Agency of the United States, has recently come out as saying that pot or marijuana is probably not as bad as, say, old heroin. Which is something that we've all really kind of known for a very long time. However, it is nice to see people up on the hill, you know, coming in and admitting it, seriously. We talk a lot about the legalization of marijuana on this show, mainly because it's constant news. This is not too detract from anyone who has any actual problems. If you have a drug problem, please seek help. The developer of Five Nights at Freddy's recently spoke out against his haters, saying that he understands people not liking the games, and that he understands that it's not for everybody, but hating on successful people for just being successful is a mark of someone who's not successful themselves. Which is actually very true, I've found. Let us know in the comment section down below what you think of Five Nights at Freddy's, what you think about this. If you'd like to read the full article, link in the description to the Steam post where he said this. Albuquerque, New Mexico is where a lot of things happen. Really, I'm not very familiar with what those are. However, I do know that Bugs Bunny should have taken a left there. Recently, in Albuquerque, New Mexico, a resident was told after calling 911 to deal with it himself while he was trying to save someone's life. The dispatcher has recently been fired and people are trying to make this whole. However, it's not apparent at this time whether or not the person who what is in need of help is going to be okay. Link to the article down below. This is a developing story, so you might actually get a newer copy of the article than I do. That actually wraps up all the stories that we're going to talk about today. We're actually going to skip the comment section today, because as you can tell, things are a little bit different than normal. And we're going to dive right into Extreme Duck's channel, because he was awesome enough to provide an intro. Extreme Duck, the advice I have to give to you is you're a very soft spoken person, which is awesome. However, I think you can use this to play a little bit more towards your strengths. Right now, you're doing a lot of Call of Duty, a lot of these type of gun games and shooters. And I think that that still very much works for you, with your personality and your commentary style. However, I would tell you to look at other soft spoken people, individuals, personality wise. I want you to see if there are any things that you can emulate from them and what makes them successful. A soft spoken public speaker is a very, very good and effective thing, depending on the audience that you're targeting and how you would like to be seen. 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It is a peaceful place, a place where you can relax and recharge, but it's also a place that is fully, deeply alive. In the morning you awake just as the light begins to come across the horizon. You sit on the porch drinking a hot cup of tea or coffee and watch as the light dances across the lake. As it begins to become lighter and lighter, you realize the morning has brought something else, something denser and more mysterious, the fog or mist. The fog rests gently over the water and it rolls and boils throughout the entire forest around you. As you finish your drink, you feel inspired to take a walk around the lake and into the mist. Each step brings you deeper and deeper into the hidden landscape around you. Each step reveals a new rock, a new tree, a new vision that you've never seen before. You can feel the water and air dance around you. You've never felt more relaxed and more fully alive ever before. This is what I feel a satisfying spiritual practice is like. For me, a walk through the mist is a way to see the landscape in a new, fresh way. I can take the time to truly savor the small frames of nature around me. I feel the keen bite of adventure and unknown even though I've walked the path a thousand times before. It is like spiraling within yourself, ever deeper, ever in new ways. And the more I learn and journey, the more I see and understand. My understanding is reflected not only in the way I see myself or treat others, but in the way I see the connections between my outer and inner world. I believe that this image of spiritual life is especially resonant with druidry. Druidry encourages one to look at nature in all of its known and unknown facets in order to understand how you play into the grander connections. This observation and reflection brings a great sense of respect and reverence for the natural world. I love how the more I study and meditate in druidry, the more I learn and the easier it is to incorporate those lessons into my daily life. Well, I hope you've enjoyed my reflection on the misty realms of spiritual life. In the comments below, I'd love to hear your own personal metaphor for your spiritual path. Thanks for watching Esoteric Moment.


GitHub's a place where we keep track of our code and all of our issues. Naomi was saying, if I have an idea for press books, where do I put it? So the basic idea is that we have a repo that's called ideas. So if you go to github.com, pressbooks, ideas, you'll see this is what we call a repository and there's a tab right here that says issues. If you have an idea for press books, you can write an issue here. So then what you would do is you'd see here all the other issues that people have opened. And if you look there, there's someone named M.M. Salmon who's asking this very question, some ideas that she has opened recently. If you wanted to open your very first issue or idea, you would click the button that says new issue over here. And then you would tell us my great idea. We're gonna try to provide a little bit of sample guidance. Anything that has these little exclamation marks you can just replace. So it says, tell us the feature in detail you want. I'd like to import Google Docs into pressbooks. The feature use case, will it support a broad range of users or particular segment? This would be great for anyone who collaborates in Google Docs and then wants to publish a book in pressbooks. So lots of people. Basically what we need to know is what is it that you want to do? Why is it that you wanna do that? And who would benefit from this? And then I will read and review this and we'll take it into our planning and refinement and hopefully turn it into a feature that we can release to users. What you'll need to have at the GitHub account which is free. And then you would need to be a little bit familiar with something called Markdown. You can kind of use this WYSIWYG to get you through most things. And if you wanna see what your issue looks like you can click the preview tab. Oh, that looks pretty good. I can remove the other notes. I don't have any. So then I would say submit new issue. Steele's just made his first new issue. It's called his great idea. Oh, I need to change the title. We call it Google Docs import. And I've just saved that. That would be how you'd create an issue. Now, if it's not a feature idea or it's more of a bug the way that you would usually do that is to come into the pressbooks project and do the same thing but in the pressbooks repository. So here you'd click an issue and when you click new issue, it'll tell you is it an idea? If it's an idea, it will send you to idea. If it's a bug, then you click the get started button there. And there's a slightly different template for bugs because you just need to say, okay, what version of pressbooks are you using? Is it up to date? All that stuff. And then what's happening? What's the bug? How can we reproduce it? What did you expect would happen? What actually happened? And then if you file that bug, we'll be able to take it from there.


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Laura, we have the NFL wrestling with the first coronavirus crisis of this season. The Titans have shut down their facility and are working remotely. We have to be able to adapt and adjust. It's just a different type of university.  We all we got! We all we got. Every single guy in here with shoulder pads and helmet on helped us win. All we need is 48 on Gantt. 48 that believe in the same cause.  You talk about grit from a football team. It shouldn't surprise anybody with the fight that they had. Touchdown! Tight! It's before you're gonna win a game. And I don't ever remember a comeback like this. This is unreal. I'm presented by Coca-Cola because there was Tuesday night football with the head coach Mike Vrabel. I'm Mike Keith. Titans beat Buffalo 42 to 16. And Mike, when we talked about it right after the game, you were quick to make it clear that this was a win not just for the players and the coaches, but for everybody in the organization. Yeah, it's for our fans. It's for our organization. It's for everybody involved that helped us prepare in a very difficult environment. And I'm very appreciative of everybody that helped us get to this point to help us be 4-0 right now. As you went through this ballgame, you made it clear you had to have production everywhere. That's one of the things that jumped out about this win. Offense, defense, special teams, backups. Guys called up from the practice squad. You got it from everywhere. Yep. And we knew that everybody that was going to be active during Tuesday night's game was was going to have a role and they were going to be able to contribute. Jeremy McNichols, for example, Jeff Swain.  Karim Moore played Snaps Force there in Bates. And just those are the guys that we brought up from the practice squad. You know, it was great to see everybody rally together. Let's talk about some of the big plays. Of course, getting a takeaway early in the ball gave the Malcolm Butler interception and not just the fact that he picked it off, but he ran it back 29 yards. You know, I love the fact that we can get some interceptions, but got to take advantage and catch the overthrows and the tips and the ones they throw to us.  And we had to do a better job. You know, we do. We can't be 70% on third down against us. That's just not going to be anywhere near good enough. You did something that you have not been able to do against Buffalo the last two years. And that was finished drives Ryan Tannehill to AJ Brown. How great it was to have him back. Yep. He's been working hard to get back. And I know that they've worked on timing and you can see it's a great ball.  He just holds his hands there and AJ's such a strong player. And, you know, he'll continue to work and develop. And, you know, got a lot of confidence in him and the entire offense. Good plays from special teams. Chris Milton was a big factor in this game. You know, we signed Chris last year and then he got injured. And he is a is an impact special teams player, you know, for us to go down there and the great kick that we get from Kern to be able to tackle a great return and Roberts was leading the league and put returns and kickoff returns. That was a huge key. That was the first and second keys to special teams was to stop Roberts and to stop Roberts and then, you know, be able to cause a fumble on him later on in that game was great. And then you get a return from your own guy, Khalif Raymond, a 40 yarder to set up a school. Which might have been the third key of special teams was to be able to take advantage of our opportunities. You can see there the job that Ty Smith, that's not easy duty to dock a gunner one on one right there. We were doubling the other side, but you know, we blocked type did a great job of blocking that gunner one on one. And that's that's something that if you can block those gunners one on one, we're gonna have a lot of returns like that. Converting third downs is always a key for the Titans.  You know, that was I thought Arthur made a good call. And, you know, Ryan was decisive with the ball. You see him get inside of there and you know, split safety defense is a lot of space there in the middle. You got some pressure on Allen, particularly in the first half, Harold Landry with his first quarterback sack of the year. He's been playing well, good to see it pay off in the sack category for him. Yeah, it was great. We love what Harold does. He's got some versatility and you know, he'll be able to build on this and we're gonna start getting the ball from the quarterback. All right, let's talk a little bit about what you were able to do with Ryan Tannehill running the football. Big carries out of him. The touchdown was probably the biggest. Some of these design runs and keepers, but then some of these are just, you know, him staying alive in the pocket, him using his athleticism. And, you know, we haven't designed a lot of runs for him yet this year. And I'm sure that we will but but he keeps the play alive. And that's that's an added element. Malcolm Butler with the second interception in the second half and a 68 yard return. When he started going backwards, I thought he was going to fumble me and Bates are over on the sidelines.  And then it was like, go, go, go, go, go. Let's talk about Ryan Tannehill to Johnny Smith for a couple of touchdowns. Why is Johnny Smith so good in the red zone? He's a strong player. There's there's trust there from the quarterback. He's got good play strength. You know, on the second one there late, you know, the coverage came off and Ryan recognized it and was able to dump it to him. I thought Ryan was going to run another one in. But they came off in coverage and then he found Johnny. What did you do today? This being Wednesday of a Sunday game, and how will you handle the rest of the week? Well, today was about recovery, getting a lift in, seeing a trainer.  And we're going to need to get everybody back that we can for a good Houston Texans football team coming off a big win last week. They don't get it easy. Mike, you know, every week is a challenge in this league. And, you know, so today we just we took it easy and they just lifted and tomorrow we'll we'll get in here and get back to work. Thank you so much for taking time with us on what's a busy night. We'll let you get back to your prep and we will handle. We will handle the Delta Dental just for you. Thank goodness, because I can't handle losing another one. Well, you're four and oh on the field. That's all that counts. Mike Vrable, thanks so much for your time. Thanks guys. When we come back, it's time for our Bridgestone Clutch performance play in a game. And guess what? It's a play that didn't even count. But we want to show it. Stay with us. Welcome to our special Wednesday night edition of the Mike Vrable show presented by Coca Cola. I'm Mike Keith. It's time now for the Bridgestone Clutch performance play of the game. And this play didn't even count because of offsetting penalties, but we have to show it. Derek Henry with a run. That's Josh Norman. Well, that was Josh Norman. Josh Norman, a former Pro Bowl cornerback, a physical defensive back, big guy for a corner and Derek Henry. Oh my goodness. That's the stiff arm. The Titans teammates liked it very much. Again, offsetting penalties meant the play didn't even count. But Derek Henry's stiff arm always worth a look. What's also worth a look right now is the Titans safe stadium plan, which helped 8400 fans last night at Nissan Stadium feel safe in the surroundings, but also have an even better experience than they'd had in the past when attending a game at Nissan Stadium. Titans president and CEO Burke Nyhill talked about the fact that controlling owner Amy Adams Strunk wanted to do both things. She wanted to keep people safe and she wanted them to feel like they were having the best NFL experience possible, even better than the one in 2019. We've actually spent over a million dollars on health and safety measures. We've installed 300 plus hand sanitizers around the stadium. We've moved to touchless bathroom fixtures. We've even changed out our cleaning service to upgrade. So Amy was quick to be sure that we were investing in the health and safety of our fans and that we'd have a first class experience to offer. The safe stadium plant involved all parts of the organization at Burke Nyhill is extremely proud that so many different people from up and down the Titans ranks played a part in it. We've had a team literally represented by every department of our of our organization meeting once a week since April, just being sure that we can get this right. We've met with local officials and national health experts and we believe that we can we can do this. So over 8400 fans at the game last night, there'll be more than 10,000 at the game against Houston on Sunday. As we go to break, it's time for the Delta dental guess the Titan. Can you guess this Titan? See how good you are. And we come back on the Mike Vrable show presented by Coca Cola. The Mike Vrable show presented by Coca Cola continues with this right here. The Delta dental. Can you guess this Titan? My guess is Ben Jones Titans Center. Let's see. Did I get it right? No. He is a center. He's a long snapper. Bo Brinkley. I'm 0 for one. So I'm riding with Vrable on this whole thing. What I can tell you though is inside the Titans presented by Xfinity is something where you never lose because you get a chance to see some of the things happening within the 2020 Titans organization from the inside out. Lots of people who have had a chance to view the Titans open for game day have been amazed at the different looks. How in the world was this put together, particularly under the amazing circumstances that we're all experiencing in 2020 inside the Titans presented by Xfinity. The Titans open. Here's your inside look. So we wanted to do something awesome with the open this year, but we just weren't sure what kind of access we would have to the players coming into the season. So we came up with a concept to use drone footage to fly through the city. We captured some amazing stuff and I think you're going to be really excited about it. So a 60 second open and what really goes into producing that is really especially now pretty remarkable. As far as the creative is concerned, we're really trying to utilize Nashville as a hero within the open. So the key is Nashville would play almost as big apart as the players themselves. Some of the storyboards had Ryan Tannehill over a huge crop field out in the outskirts of Nashville, which is going to come across really cool. But the key is incorporating the player footage within the drone footage.  Today we are flying a dual operated platform where I'm doing all the camera operation and then Aaron is our lead pilot. And then we work in tandem to create really cool unique shots. Head back down the river like you kind of boom down to the middle. Like I'm going to pan up to this building. One of them we use primarily for generating awesome views that we can put graphics into and more of our beauty shot or beauty drones. And then we have our FPV Cinema drones. They're smaller, almost on kind of race quad platforms, as they're called. We're able to get close to things, we're able to fly through things. I got a GoPro on top that's recording 4K, HD footage, beautiful footage.  And that's why I use for piloting. So basically on board of the drone as if I'm in a pilot seat. It's just nice to have a variety, you know, you use a big drone, the dual operator set up for some high and wide, beautiful cinematic shots. And then we use these guys to get really fast and aggressive and dynamic and fun. With this piece, we've carefully planned locations using the drones so that we can create unique plates and looks such that they fit football highlights. Whether that's dulling along to the right or flying through something that matches a camera zoom that would zoom into Tannahill as he's throwing a football. These are things we actually think about and want to recreate. So it's almost like the drone is an extension of the camera in a play. We're able to composite these images and these highlights onto buildings. So it almost becomes a part of that structure. So that to us is really bringing football and putting it inside of the city and inside of the state of Tennessee, which is what the Titans are all about. I'm very lucky to be able to work with some outstanding talents and some people who have fantastic creativity. There you see it inside the Titans presented by Xfinity. When we come back, another outstanding talent, Amy Wells, standing by with our wrackly roofing, tough Titan, Daquan Jones. He's next. Stay tuned. Welcome back to the Mike Brable show presented by Coca Cola. I'm Amy Wells. And when deciding who was going to be our wrackly roofing, tough Titan, there really was no other choice. It had to be Daquan Jones. Daquan, thank you so much for taking some time to be with us. Take me all the way back to the very beginning as this week was going on and you guys were being thrown a lot of curveballs. What exactly was going through your mind? What emotions were you feeling as this week just got stranger and stranger? I'd be lying to you if I say I wasn't frustrating early on, even getting caught with COVID and becoming sick. That was frustrating. I thought I let my team down. I wasn't doing stuff the right way. So that really made me mad. But you know, then going in having been postponed and pushed back and not really knowing what's going on and kind of, you know, waiting all day by the phone to hear from Coach Fraze and, you know, with the Legion allows to do. So yeah, it was definitely frustrating. But I'm so happy that we finally got back and gotten that building practice and, you know, come out here and be the one. How did some of the leaders on this Titans team really bring everybody together and make sure that everyone was staying focused on the task at hand? I mean, I think it was huge. I mean, just being active in your in your individual chats and reaching out to other people who might be ill or just, you know, other groups and making sure everyone's on top of their stuff and make sure all on communication when I like losing touch with each other. I think that was huge over the last couple days. And I'm just happy that this team really pulled together and showed that the leadership what sets this Titans team this four and no Titans team apart from some of the other teams that you've been a part of. They don't quit.  It can be it can be 10 nothing and we can write it off. I mean, this team doesn't quit no matter what the score is. I know we're gonna fight and come back. We saw a lot of celebration on the sidelines. Guys were dancing. They really seem to be enjoying this victory over the Buffalo Bills. What was it about this victory? This moment that was so exciting for guys? I don't know how they describe it. It was just a great feeling to be out there and knowing that even though there was someone so many obstacles in front of us and trying to slow us down that we still come out there and play Titan football and I think that was just a great just believe all people showed up. I know that this team knows that we have to go out there and get ready for a very tough division opponent this week and I think we're all looking forward to challenge. Take on. Thank you so much for taking some time to talk with us and be our wrackly roofing tough Titan guys. We're going to take a quick break. But when we come back, more Mike Vrable show presented by Coca Cola stick around. The Mike Vrable show presented by Coca Cola continues with the Nissan keys to the game. Key number one, Jedevian Clowney. That's Clowney time in Tennessee because it used to be Clowney time in Houston. He was drafted number one overall by the Texans played well for him. They traded him last year. This is his first game ever against his former team against Buffalo. He got pressure. He nearly had an interception. He's getting close. Be interested to see if he can have his first breakthrough game as a Titan against his former team on Sunday. Key number two, keep improving third down on offense. Good job by the Titans against Buffalo six out of 10 on third down conversions. That was a problem in September for this offense. You want to keep getting better. Houston has allowed too many third down conversions. You want to keep them on that track. Have success on third down. Stay on the field. Key number three, Janu, Janu, Janu. I'm talking about Janu Smith and you're saying, oh, you're just saying this because he had five catches for 40 yards and two touchdowns in the win over Buffalo. No, he's always played well against Houston two years ago in Houston, a 61 yard touchdown. Last year in the game here against Houston, a 55 yard run. He's a matchup problem for their linebackers. He's a matchup problem really for anybody. Janu Smith needs to stay a focal point of the offense for the Titans to have success against the Houston Texans. Those are your Nissan keys to success. Remind you, the Titans take on the Texans at Nissan Stadium in just four days. We're on the air at 11 a.m. with Titans countdown on 104-5. The zone kickoff comes at 12-02. See if the Titans can go to 5-0 and win a big game in the AFC South. We hope you'll join us. For all of those who work to bring you the Mike Vrables show presented by Coca-Cola, I'm Mike Keith. Thanks for joining us and we'll see you next time.


And welcome back everybody. Jeff Frick here with theCUBE. We're in our Palo Alto studios having a CUBE conversation. We have an itty bitty little break in the middle of this crazy conference season. Next week we're back on the road and one of the places we're going is UiPath forward, America's it's our first time to the UiPath user conference. They're all about the RPA, Robotic Process Automation which is a super hot space. And we're really excited to have with us today Carl Eschenbach, he's a partner at Sequoia Capital who just came in on UiPath's latest round of funding which was pretty significant. You can read all about it in the papers as they say. So we're excited to have Carl here. Carl, great to see you again. Great to be here. Thanks for having me, Jeff. Absolutely. So we've of course known you for years and years and years. You had a long illustrious career at VMware. You've been in the VC world at Sequoia for a couple of years. So how do you like in the transition to VC? I really enjoyed it. I had a great, you know, many year run almost 15 years at VMware I was thankful for but the transition to Sequoia I don't think it could have gone any better. I've really enjoyed it and to be working at Sequoia with just a tremendous platform behind you with 45 years of rich history is just a privilege and leveraging my operating experience of 29 years and now putting it to work through the Sequoia brand has been pretty exciting for me. I'm very thankful. It's been a pretty good run for former VMware guys in VC. You know, Jerry Chen is on all the time from Greylock. There's a number of you guys out there. Yeah, there's a number. I think Jerry, I think Steve Harrod's now. I think Steve Harrod. Martin Casado who was the founder of NICERA that we bought at VMware as a VC. So it's, there's a bunch of people who have proliferated the VC market but none of them got the opportunity to be a Sequoia like I did so I feel very privileged. And it really points to the opportunity the continue innovation opportunity in the enterprise space. Cause you're obviously, you're not investing in in dating apps or autonomous vehicles. Maybe autonomous vehicles, I don't know but it's really more the enterprise opportunity continues to just be rich with new kind of transformative opportunities. Yeah, I think that's right. I spend the majority of my time as you could imagine in the enterprise. That's where I grew up and my operating experience was all in the enterprise, deep infrastructure. So I leveraged that experience here at Sequoia focusing on the enterprise. Both infrastructure, hardware, software, public, private, cloud, SaaS. So anything associated with offerings in the enterprise is where I focus and I'll tell you over the last few years it's been a really rich environment for an investor to think about what's happening in the enterprise as people still are looking for technologies that transforms their business at such a rapid rate both on-premise and obviously with the cloud environment it's not if it's when and how fast people ultimately move into the cloud. Right, it just, it fascinates me how we continue to uncover these huge buckets of inefficiency. I mean, do you think, I used to tease my friends at a center tease them that you guys rang all the fat out supply chain now everything's on backwards all the time but we still find huge chunks of inefficiency and huge opportunities to get more value out which is I think one of the fundamental differences in this kind of stock run up and this productivity it's real it's not just smoke and mirrors there are huge still opportunities. Yeah, no I agree, I mean listen there are huge opportunities to drive gains in productivity. One of the things we're going to talk about is RPA for example, right? How do you automate your enterprise to move towards a digitized world? And by doing that you become more automated which just drives your productivity of people that much higher. So I think with the ever increasing use of AI and machine learning getting deeper, deeper integrated into enterprise solutions it makes things that much more automated which impacts the productivity of people which hopefully has great returns on both your top line growth and bottom line savings.  RPA, robotic process automation which is a relatively new term I didn't hear about it until recently is a very different approach to automation than just hiring in all the consultants. It's about actually letting machines learn, listen and start to build those new processes. Yeah, if you think about the BPO world, right? BPO was still and is still a very manual human intensive activity. To your point, you bring on all these people you do an outsource and then but there's still someone there doing data entry and doing very mundane kind of easy work but it's all human driven and people used to try to solve this by going to offshore locations with lower cost opportunities where you can get a workforce it's much cheaper than here in the States but again it was all human driven. Now with the advent of something like RPA that can be substituted with software and software bots or robots and by doing that it just drives up the efficiency of what you're doing everything in your older system. So that's why we've seen such a rapid acceleration that you can't ignore around RPA just over the last couple of years this has accelerated extremely quickly the technology's become a lot more mature. People are starting to implement it it's one of the first instantiations of AI in the enterprise and if you think about it Jeff implementing a software bot that may replace three, four, five humans and oh by the way the bot can work 24 hours a day oh by the way the accuracy rate of the bot is probably significantly higher than the human so the ROI and the value proposition around RPA is very straightforward you can't ignore the value it brings and everyone as you know is always looking to save cost but it does more than just save cost it actually starts to impact your top line revenue growth but because you can take those humans who used to do those mundane tasks and you can repurpose them to work on if you will revenue generating profitable activities while the software bots take care of all the automation of your older legacy systems. And it's not even, it's little things right? I'm never amazed right? I do a ton of interviews we talk about automation all the time I still do a whole lot of manual stuff that I would much rather have my robotic assistant help me do simple things like make sure that we get the picture out from this interview after the fact all these little mundane tasks that the sum total of which are a lot of activity and then as you said I think the other really important piece is accuracy when you with computers or fortunately they only like to do it the way they get set up to do it they're not really good at error so much so once you set it up but this RPA is different and that the people aren't doing it they're actually letting the robots do it so I mean being where early days of virtualization now we're getting to the point where the compute the store and the network are to a point where you get the horsepower to support this type of function I didn't have it in the past. Yeah and with RPA I think one of the things that's pretty neat is people are starting to implement RPA and they're always finding new use cases for it and once they get some experience in programming these software bots they start to realize well maybe we can implement this in this other area so it may start in a finance organization and it may move into automating call centers or automating what you're doing in sales or sales operation so there's many of opportunities once it's implemented once to find other use cases and actually you're starting to see people become software bot developers like they have to set up these bots to implement them in their environment so people have to learn how to program these bots and then implement them so there's an ecosystem that's starting to be established around the RPA industry and you mentioned some of the you know the excentures of the world or the old BPO's there's some of the biggest customers of people like UiPath because what they do is they say wow today we're solving this with humans but if I can solve this now with software and RPA and technology like you know UiPath is providing I can drive up my margins because I'm doing it through the use of software and I can repurpose those people to do other tasks. So great point you brought up UiPath and so we started with what did you see as an investor as an executive in UiPath both the technology and the team and their execution that led you guys to go in on this big round? Yeah so we did a pretty deep dive across the entire RPA landscape listen you couldn't ignore the momentum right we say don't fight gravity we saw the momentum of the RPA market accelerating and you know the way I like to describe it it went from a push market where people have to push their technology into the enterprise to now it's a pull market where the enterprise is pulling the technology and now they're looking for the best solution so we recognize the growth in the RPA market to your point just in the last two or three years it's really accelerated and then as we looked at the landscape we had the opportunity to spend time with Daniel this co-founder and CEO and I think there was a few things that stood out to us around UiPath number one Daniel is a very unique you know founder he's been at this for years and his level of perseverance and commitment to make this a very successful company is unwavering the fact that they're global in nature already this is a company who started in Bucharest expanded internationally and expanded to the U.S. simultaneously so they're covering the three major geographies around the world already today even at an early stage of the company which is very very important for someone when you're an investor to say wow what's your global footprint do we have to help them get into these markets today they're established around the world they're in Japan they're across Europe because where they originated they have a new headquarters in New York and they're hiring rapidly the second is we think their technology that exists today in the roadmap where they're going in the future was very powerful and they're going to continue to implement more and more if you will AI into their platform the other thing that we were impressed with was the fact that they are customer focused they're very customer centric and they've built a global footprint to support their global customers and they've had to do that because of the rapid acceleration of the product they think they're getting like six new enterprise customers a day on the UI path platform and if you're going to do that in a global footprint you have to have support around the world and they're maniacal about how they support their customers so all of this led to us looking at the market recognizing the RPA growth and saying UI path is the company we're on a bed on and we couldn't be more excited to be part of the company and to help them on their journey as they continue to grow Yeah, we're excited to go to our first UI path America's Ford Ford America's I got it right Yeah, we'll be there next week it's in the Fulton Blue Hotel in Miami and we're looking for it because like you said it seemed to come out of nowhere but it typically is the case, right? Always an overnight success 10 years in the making which is late to the... They have conferences they've been doing around the world, Jeff, UI path and every conference they do including Japan, it's like a standing room only because there is so much interest in this technology and again, I think anything associated with automating your infrastructure moving to a new digitalized world and everyone has a digital strategy first kind of mentality in the enterprise these people fit right in smack in the middle of that Yeah, well clearly the valuation speaks to that as market validation so we're no doubt about it Well, Carl, thanks for taking a few minutes out of your busy day glad to hear the VC life is treating you well and... Well, thanks for having me it's good to see you guys again back here on theCUBE it's always fun spending time with you and thanks for your interest in UI path and RPA I think it's a really exciting market and I'm quite confident it will continue to accelerate at unprecedented rates All right, well great Well, thanks a lot Carl He's Carl, I'm Jeff you're watching theCUBE we're having a cute conversation our Palo Alto studio taking a break from the conference season but we'll be heading back on the road soon thanks for watching Thank you