I'll call the fifth regular council meeting of the common council order city clerk Sue Richards Please call the roll D-Burr, E-Burr, Cerda, Davis, Groth, Kittleson, Manny, Meyer, Montemayor, Radke, Sagalli, Steppen, Susha, Van Akron, and Van Der Wiel, 16th president The approval of the minutes. Thank you, Your Honor. I would move that we dispense with the reading of the minutes of the previous common council meeting and the same stand approved as entered on the record. Motion second. Second. Motion second. Under discussion. Not all those in favor state aye. Aye. Any opposed? Motion carries. Next we have the pledge of allegiance. I'd ask Alderman Davis to please lead us. To the flag of the United States of America, and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible with liberty and justice for all. Thank you Alderman Davis. Resignations. Attorney McLean. Mr. Mayor, from Alderman Davis. I'm sorry. Please accept my resignation as a member of the commission on aging. The commission meets during the day at 8.30. I'm unable to attend at this time of day. As I work day shift and unable to get off, I thank you for the appointment, but it personally is not working out for me. Thank you, signed Alderman Davis. They can be accepted and filed. Motion second. Motion second. All those in favor state aye. Aye. Any opposed? Motion carries. Mayor's appointment. I've stated today's date. Hereby submit the following appointment for your consideration. Alderman Vicki Meyer to be considered for appointment. Commission on aging to fill the unexpired term of Alderman Gene Davis whose term expires 4-17-06. Signed by the mayor. They will lie over. Next we'll have presentation by Susan Hart, mayoral administrative officer regarding an update for the 4th of July celebration. Ms. Hart, would you please step forward? Good evening. The mayor requested that I update you on the status of the 4th of July activities. This year's festivities are going to look different from previous years and I want to explain why in case any of your constituents contact you. As you're aware, several files and discs were discovered to be missing from my office upon the start of my position. After the Sheboygan press ran the story asking folks to contact me regarding the parade participants, Mr. Hutz, who had held my position until last December, came in to help pull the missing pieces together, spent an afternoon with me. He explained to me the tradition of the funding, which was a good thing because I wasn't sure how it was working. And just went through basic 4th of July items that we didn't have any records for. As a result of the Sheboygan press story, the public has been very responsive and we have a real good idea of the parade participants. However, we are over budget for the festivities and citizens may be disappointed when they learn their favorite group will not be participating in the parade due to budget constraints. As a result, the mayor has willingly given up his traditional brat fry to free up that budgeted amount. We have a lot of work yet to do. The group from Bethany Reformed Church who always operated the food stands at the lakefront have been told that they are not able to operate it this year due to security reasons. So right now we only have three food vendors.  We need ice cream down there. We need soda. We need chips. We need snacks. I've put a call out to a couple of different groups. I'm waiting to hear back from them. But we have a lot more work to do along the lakefront as far as food vendors go. I'm going to pass out a budget. And Nancy Bus from Finance put this together. Mr. Graf. And while it's being passed out, I'll explain what Mr. Hutz explained to me. The funds that were raised last year. So the amount that Johnsonville gave last year to pay for the fireworks, the amounts from local business are always put into the account to budget for next year. So we are using the budget that you all put together at the end of 04. Those were funds that you knew you had to go into 05. So if you see the budget, basically what it says in the first column is the approved budget that you all approved for celebration activities for the fourth. And you approve $12,000. We have a balance of $1,605. The fireworks. We had a carryover from last year of $50,582. The contract for the fireworks that you all will approve tonight, hopefully, is for $50,000. That was the agreed upon amount before I came in my position. So we have, if you take that, $1605 and the $582, slightly more than $2,000 to spend yet. However, Ralph Moffingelli has not had a purchase order put through, but there has been a commitment to his group of $2,500. Right there were nearly 400 under budget or over budget. Additionally, an arrangement had made with the Sheboygan Press for advertising and to pass out, have circulars inserted into the paper. And so that's about another $1,200. What was new this year is that we wanted to incorporate Safe Harbor, I'm sorry, the South Pier into our festivities. And so we have spent more than $4,000 on the activities over at South Pier. Those are the, that's really what just kind of added up so quickly. As I said, the mayor has given up his brat fry to help us defray the budget overage that we are in right now. Now, next year's budget, if we take, if you look at the 2005 contributions and you take the $7850, and Johnsonville has made a commitment of $39,000. So we have approximately a little less than $47,000 to carry into next year. And if we continue on the past contracts that we've had with Bartolotta, the minimum we've ever spent has been $50,000. So next year, or as soon as this fourth is up, I'll have a lot of work to do to bring in some more donations for next year. I'd be willing to answer any questions or concerns you might have. Thank you, Your Honor. So with that shortfall, what's going to happen with the Classic Reunion? Because they're the biggest group that's ever been in the parades in Cheboygan. They've got the biggest followers because I've been getting calls most of the afternoon saying that if Classic Reunion's not in, they're not even going to bring their kids. Well, it depends. If you want me to go over budget, I'll bring them in. I mean, that's the long and the short of it. So it will have to be your call, $1,000. We also had a group called the Blue Star Marching Band out of Madison that had called and said, oh, we're coming, and there had been no purchase order put through for them. So we've told them no also. We've also canceled a group. Any other questions? Paul and Sarah. Thank you, Your Honor. I'm just wondering because you had mentioned, Ms. Hart, that you might have better chance next year to plan ahead and maybe get more donations. And if it's just $1,000 and it might just be a real critical component to our parade, it might be worth sacrificing that $1,000. Thank you. I apologize. I'm not certain the procedure when you do go over budget for something, so I'm going to put that right back in Council's laps, you know, because my hands are tied with what money we do have and what purchase orders have already been put through. Paul and Susha. Thank you. Just to clarify, is my understanding that we are already $1,600 in the hole? Mm-hmm. And then if we got this extra band, that would put us $2,600 over budget. They're abouts. Okay.  Thank you. Paul and Stefan. Yes, in your comments you mentioned something about the $1,200 for the Sheboygan Press. Is that so that we can switch and change and spend that on the band or is that already, the checks are already written and everything? The issue is when Mr. Bonet was soliciting donations, he had put on the contributors' amounts, if you contributed this amount, we would include you in the advertising, the flyers. It's that word, flyers, that is catching us. And so he had already made arrangements with the Sheboygan Press to put these flyers in the paper that's going to have the advertising, you know, the sponsors' names on it, so I'm kind of stuck with that. Paul and Serta. Thank you, Your Honor. You had mentioned the money for carryover for the next year. Mm-hmm. Is there any, because I know we had said the number 2600 that we're under, could we utilize that money from the carryover previous year and not necessarily be under? The carryover from the previous year is that $50,582, you see where it says prior year carryover right in the middle of the page. We've already run a purchase order for $50,000 for Bartolotta fireworks. So when I'm talking about the shortage, I'm already taking that, the excess of $582 and the $1605 and adding those together. And right there, with paying Ralph Muffin-Galley's group, we're 400 right there in the whole. Then we look at the advertising and the cost for the circulars. And I'm sure there's going to be something in here that I'm not aware of. So, you know, again, I'm just going to lay it in your laps. Hallman-Graw. Thank you, Your Honor. Ms. Hart reports there's part of your office, is that correct? Yes. And in that case, if something has gone over budget or it goes over budget, what happens? You need to request an exemption or not an exemption, you need to request a variance on your budget from the finance committee and then request that it either comes from some other budgeted item in your department or from the contingency fund which we do have available. So the proper thing would be if you're going to go over and you know kind of how much you're going to go over to make a request to the finance committee to go over budget. Well, until the group had called today, the classic reunion, we were right on target with the mayor's donation of his bri money. So if that's what you want me to do for this classic reunion, that's what we'll do. I know that 4th of July parade is one of the biggest draws of the entire summer and a lot of people enjoy it and a lot of people make family outings and family reunions themselves for that particular event. And it would be a shame if for $1,000 or even $1,500 that we wouldn't be able to give them what they're looking for. Thank you all. Any other questions? Paulman? Thank you, Your Honor. A couple of thoughts. First off, I think it's wise to have our finance committee take a look at this matter. But also, now we have reached the threshold of informing the public that we have a shortage and I think we've always had good corporate citizens in Sheboygan, so I think that certainly for those businesses or those individuals that feel the classic reunion is an important get-together point or an important part of our parade, hopefully we'll be able to generate some interest and hopefully a nation or two along the line to allow that group to come forward and continue to march. Excellent idea. Paulman Sugali. Thank you, Mr. Mayor. I just think I would like to bring it to the attention of the people of Sheboygan. That classic reunion band is all the people from the city of Sheboygan. All the men and the women who were in Drum and Bugle Corps years ago that made up a big part of the city of Sheboygan. So they're past and present people that have lived in Sheboygan. I think it's very necessary to have them back with us. Thank you. Thank you. There's a comment on my part. I sense the council would like to have that classic band play. I will meet with Ms. Hart in the morning.  I don't like to budget money we don't have. I don't like to play around with money I don't have. But if the council wishes, we will submit a document to finance committee. Thank you, Ms. Hart. Next we have presentation by Mr. Denny Moyer of the Chamber of Commerce. Mr. Moyer. Excuse me, excuse me. Is there any objection being that Ms. Olsen is not on the agenda? Mr. Moyer is any objection? None. Please continue. An opportunity just to have the chamber come up for you and give you an update on the improvement. The chamber. Before I do that, there's two things I'd like to bring up. Broad Day in Madison is coming up on June 22nd and I would like to personally extend an invitation to all of the council members to attend Broad Day in Madison. It's a great opportunity to put Sheboygan on the map with the legislators, the state agency and the governor's office. It's very well received down there and I hope that you are able to join us. Second of all, given the conversation we just had on the 4th of July parade, I would be happy to see if we can garner sponsorship for Classic Reunion either via the chamber or via a few of our chamber members. If you'd give me a day or two to work on that, I'd be happy to see if we can accommodate that and make sure that they are sponsored. After that, I'd like to just mention that tourism is an exciting thing to talk about and a real positive success for the community in the area. Tourism is on the threshold of building a new dream and I brought for you tonight a document that's called Vital to Sheboygan's Future, the Chamber Tourism Center. And it talks a little bit about what our vision is to build a dream for the community that will bear a greater benefit than we can realize at this time that will help aid the economy for the community and the area. And I point that there is no risk to the city of Sheboygan with us moving ahead with this as no room tax dollars will be used to build a visitor center. And in the document, which I will not go into, I'm sure you are all capable of taking a look at that on your own, but it does share the vision and I ask that every alderman look at the document and dream with us as we try to talk about an evolving dream that we have been working on for a few years at this point. I think Sheboygan is on the crossroads of moving us forward even further in the tourism end and it talks about why we believe a visitor center is important to where we're going. The Chamber is dedicated itself to immerse the organization in this project to reach a successful end, but we will need a partnership from the business community to help us in a capital fundraising campaign with that and support from the City Council will be needed to make this project happen. And because tourism is so successful, Denny prepared for you a great document that details the activities of the last year and I'll give it back to him so that he can report out to you. Thank you. Thank you. Mr. Moyer. Thank you, Dee. I see all that exciting news about the visitor center and I got to give you all these boring numbers that's like trying to follow Frank Sinatra or something, but I'll do my best. I want you to know also that your city baseball team will win a game this year. Just because we're old for June, don't get discouraged, it will be all right. Good evening. It is a pleasure to be here and I think this is like the 11th year that I've given my annual report to the Council and most years were scheduled earlier but you had some pretty hectic times here earlier in the last couple of months so we asked to be on later. And so tonight we're bringing you good tidings. As you are well aware, there have been spectacular advances in our recreational and cultural opportunities in recent years. These have added immensely to the quality of life for our friends and families. We're talking here about world-class golf, world-class auto racing, world-class waterfront activities. We're talking here about exceptional visual and performing arts opportunities. We're talking about outstanding environmental parks. We're talking about a tremendous new hotel and water park. These amenities have made the city of Sheboygan and Sheboygan County a marvelous place to live. But you know something else? They have contributed immensely to our economic growth as well. That part is called tourism. So there's just a couple of notes about this thing called tourism that I'd like to share with you. In 2004, visitors spent $271,432,000 in Sheboygan County. That's an increase of 2.44%. In 2004, tourism provided $7,165 full-time jobs. In 2004, tourism provided $168,132,000 in resident income. Sheboygan County tourism generated $34.7 million in state revenue and $11.7 million in local revenue last year. Now, if you'll permit me, I'd like to put that in a form that should be important to you as older people and to everybody who's in the room tonight. Were it not for the money that tourism generates in taxes and fees, each Wisconsin resident would face an average of nearly $900 in additional taxes annually to maintain existing government services. Keep in mind too that all of these numbers were generated in a year in which national tourism continued to be in a recovery mode because of terrorism and economic concerns, and in a year when three of Wisconsin's top 10 tourism destinations fell off and decreases in their revenues. The Sheboygan County Chamber of Commerce and its Convention and Visitors Bureau is recognized by the State of Wisconsin and by the Wisconsin Association of Convention and Visitors Bureau's and International Association of Convention and Visitors Bureau's as the City County Destination Marketing Organization. And as such, we spend a great deal of time and energy promoting tourism. We promote leisure travel, and we promote group travel, and group is both meetings and conventions and motor coach. We promote tourism through print and economic media, through trade shows, and through public relations. Just today I toured the area with four travel writers and they love us and the weather was marvelous, which always helps. Now obviously we cannot take credit for all 271 million that was brought into Sheboygan County. You need to know that Blue Harbor and Road America and the American Club and Astof and the Alcar Lake and Plymouth Chambers all invest heavily in their promoting tourism. But together and with our tourism partners we have dedicated ourselves to this aspect of economic growth and development. We work in partnership, particularly with Elkhart Lake Tourism, with the Lake-to-Lake Motor Coach Group which includes Hurricane Marsh and Fond du Lac and Manderlake and Oshkosh, and with the Wisconsin Harbor Towns Association. We work with others also, but I mentioned these three because as a result of our partnership we have been granted $136,700 in state and coastal management grants for tourism. There's a lot of numbers in the packet that we distributed and I just want to highlight them. I'm certainly not going to do a line-by-line on all of that. But as you look through your report later you will find our financial report in there. That indicates that 72% of our total revenues were spent for marketing and only 28% on operating expense. And if you look at that report you will see that we placed more than 150 ads in 60 different publications. We ran 22 television spots, we dropped 25,000 emails and we appeared at 11 different trade shows. We try very hard to track the results of our promotion. Tracking is a difficult thing to get your arms around and really confirm, but it's important to us. And I'd like to share some of the numbers that have come about as a result of our tracking. As I said earlier, our goal is to create economic impact. That is, quite frankly, to get people to come to Sheboygan County and leave their money here. That's what it's all about. But to do that you initially have to acquaint people with Sheboygan County. And that's called creating awareness. If someone calls and asks us to send them a visitor's guide as a result of seeing one of our ads we feel we have successfully created awareness in that person and we call that a visitor inquiry because they inquired about something. We keep track of all of our visitor inquiries. Last year the Chamber brought online a new, improved and more accessible website, which along with our 800 number was the main feature in all of our advertising. Our ads wanted people to go to that website and the 800 number and then if they needed more information we'd give it to them as a result of their call. The results from the web advertising has been tremendous. Web visits jumped 164% last year. They went from 69,000 in 2003 to 183,000 in 2004. Our 800 number calls went up 7.8% from 2,099 to 3,126. Since we anticipated a decline in the 800 calls because of the web we were extremely happy that that went up even though it was marginal because we thought most people would be doing the web thing but we got a lot of 800 calls in spite of that. There is a flip side though, as a result of the emphasis on the web the actual reader response card number was down slightly and so were the office calls and some of those things. But we added a trade show so our trade show contacts number was up from 7,277 to 8,885, a jump of 20%. So all in all I report to you that Wisconsin's ninth ranked county in terms of expenditures by tourists gained 103.1% in total inquiries last year going from 107,700 in 2003 to 218,800 last year. And as I mentioned earlier we gained 2.44% in total expenditures last year going from 264.98 million in 2003 to 271.43 million last year. So those are a lot of statistics but there's one more that I think might be the most important and that is this. There are 30 Wisconsin counties who generated more than $100 million in tourist expenditures last year. I would call those 30 counties the major players in Wisconsin tourism. Of those 30, since 1993 when Davidson Peterson began tracking tourism expenditures in the state, only two counties, Salk County which as you know is Wisconsin Dells and Wallworth, which is Lake Geneva, have shown greater growth than Sheboygan County. That means that as a tourism destination we are growing faster than Milwaukee County, faster than Dane County, faster than Brown County, Dorr County out of Gamy, all of them except for Wisconsin Dells and Lake Geneva. Sheboygan County tourism has increased 154.29% since 1993. We are the third fastest growing destination in the state. I need to stress to you our community leaders here and to everyone listening that virtually everyone in Sheboygan County is affected by tourism, not just in keepers and restaurant people, everyone. Because when visitors are in town they are just like residents. Just like a resident they run out of shaving cream and they need to make a run to Walgreens. Just like a resident they can be hurt, suffer an injury or toothache or something and they see one of our physicians or dentist. Just like a resident they can forget to pack a white shirt or a tie and they gotta run the anchors or coals. They may have a free night so they like to see a concert or a show or a movie. They need gas, they need groceries, they need prescriptions filled and they need entertainment. The difference between them and residents is that they are adding to our economy by buying goods and services with money they bring in to Sheboygan. They are not just recycling money that they earned here as residents. That's new money, that is economic growth. So I need to stress to you one more time that no matter what you do for a living if you don't think you're involved in tourism you really are. Before I close I'd like to make a comment on a statement that was made on this floor a couple of weeks ago. Tourism is only one side of the Chamber's economic development mission. The Chamber works very hard to show the country, the entire world what a quality of life that we have in this area so that we can generate relocations of families and of businesses and expansions of businesses. It was stated here that room tax generated in the first quarter of this year was down from last year. The stated inference being that we were not doing a very good job. I'd like the Council to be aware of this. In 2002, the CVB share of room tax receipts in the first quarter were $7,500. In 2003, they were $9,600. This year, 2005, they were $17,400, a substantial increase over that precedent at norm 55%. Now why did I not mention 2004? 2004 was not a normal year. Yes, room tax in this quarter was down from room tax in the first quarter of 2004. Why? Because in 2004, carpenters and masons and plumbers and electricians were in our town staying at our hotels from Monday through Friday. They were here building Blue Harbor, they were here adding to the Acuity Building, and they were here building the Sheboygan Falls Electrical Transmission Building. I just thought you should know that first quarter receipts, yes, they were down this year, but they were way up last year, 400%. So that might shed some light on the job that we are doing here. So thank you for your attention and thank you for your long-standing relationship with the Chamber of Commerce and the Convention and Visitors Bureau. I hope it will continue for a long time so that we can continue to make the enviable progress we have and continue to grow our city's economy. Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Moyer. Excuse me, Mr. Moyer. I have a question for you. Sure. Thank you, Mayor. I think that in the past there were some things that have been done that didn't include enough input from a lot of people in the tourism community. And I think that moving ahead and working together is extremely important and bringing more things above the table and having a lot of truth and honesty and some good dialogue is going to be essential to be successful or to maximize our tourism potential. And one of the things this Council has to do by the end of June is to decide what's going to happen in the future with the Chamber's contract. And I think a piece of information that will be crucial to helping us make the decision is the exact location of where this future visitor center is going to be. You had Spen mentioned it's going to be near the intersection of Taylor Drive and Highway 28 and I was hoping that you could give us a more specific location. We can do that probably within two weeks, I would say. We're in the process, do you help me out? We're in the process of closing the deal and I'm not comfortable giving you that information just now. We are not really comfortable to disclose that until we have in fact closed the deal because we think that it could encumber someone else and we could perhaps forfeit that property. So until we've closed on the property we're not comfortable releasing that quite yet. However, we are extremely close and should be doing that yet in June. Full directive. And if you would like, we'd be happy to announce that while we intend to have a press conference the day that we close on the property. Full directive. Thank you, Your Honor. It says here that we've gained 103.1% total inquiries last year. Was a great deal of that due to the PGA. Do you see the trend continuing again this year even though we don't have the PGA championship happening here this year? I think the trend will continue. A lot of it is a result of the PGA but most of it is a result of our website and probably the combination of the two. But I don't foresee any let down. Gulf is going to be here now. That exposure last year has got people coming whether there's a PGA or not. Hold on, Stefan. Yes. On the last page where you did your balance sheet and your income statement. I just, I understand that we don't have the, you know, all the terminology down but could you explain the last item under general marketing where it says the room tax carry forward of $57,000? That's $57,000 that we are carrying into this year. Why are we carrying money over? It's really your question, Bill. And the answer to that is early in the year is when we have to do our heaviest advertising. In March, April and May is when we do most of our promotion for summer and fall. This has not been a great destination in January and February so we're trying to get more people here in the fall. And that gets very expensive. Our income at that time of the year is low because of not so many people here. Our room tax is down the first quarter. So essentially I'm borrowing, if you will, money from the chamber's general fund to pay my bills in January and February. Okay. Our money starts coming back at the end. So in the end usually our budgets balance out. But that $57,000 is money that will be spent this first quarter this year and second quarter this year. We're kind of a quarter behind all that time. Really is what it is. Okay. Thank you very much, Mr. Moria. Any other questions? I'm happy to answer. Thank you. Excuse me. I think there is one. Ole Missigali. Thank you, Mr. Mayor. It's not so much of a question, but I would like to just make a statement that I would like to commend. If I may look at them. I'm directed to Dennis Meyer and D. Olsen and the rest of the chamber members of the Fine Job who have done to promote the city of Sheboygan and to make it the best place out to the public and I thank you for that. Thank you. Thank you, Ole Missigali. Next we have public forum. Sue. First on the list is Susan Hunley. Susan, can you read me your home address please? 632 Michigan Avenue, Sheboygan. Thank you. Thank you Mayor, President, Council for allowing me the opportunity to speak before you tonight. I would like to make a few comments regarding my settlement request that was before the Committee of the Whole on May 19th. When I submitted the settlement offer, I contacted all the alter persons to share information, answer questions and take advice. That was all I wanted to do, not solicit support for the settlement. Four of you did meet with me while scheduling conflicts existed for some and others declined my offer. One of you stated the reason you would not meet with me was the city attorney said while it was not illegal to meet, he would advise against it. This surprised me. I had to wonder why the city attorney would advise against any of you meeting with me even though it was perfectly legal unless he thought I might share information he did not want you to hear. I can respect those of you on this Council who have a thorough understanding of the room tax litigation and do not agree with me. What I cannot respect is to be treated unjustly because of personal bias. The oath that you take as an alter person should not be selective nor subject to your personal bias. I was disappointed to hear Alterman Dan Berg expressed his very negative opinion about the settlement offer on WHBL radio before the Committee of the Whole even met. I also listened as he stated he would vote against closed session because everything should be out in the open here. Now, I do agree that open government is good. However, even city attorney McLean had explained to the Council that the settlement offer met the criteria for a closed session. In fact, it is an arm. While Alterman Sirta explained the hours of work she had done prior to the Committee of the Whole meeting, meeting with city attorney McLean deals on even calling the state ethics board to see whether Alterperson Sushia would need to speak in open session. She did not want to meet with me or receive any information I offered to send her. I feel Alterperson Sirta in her hours of work was doing everything she could to reinforce her own personal bias. If she would have agreed, I would have been able to share with her over six years of work I have regarding room tax. My experience with those of you who did meet with me, however, far outweighed this negativity. I was pleasantly surprised and impressed by Alterman Manny, whom I had never spoken to before. After listening to what I had to say, he said he would work on helping to arrive at a solution agreeable to both the city and myself. His resolution before you tonight is the result of this effort. Alterperson Sushia's presentation during the Committee of the Whole was intended to give you crucial information regarding the room tax lawsuit. There is little that I need to elaborate on, but I will offer a few brief comments. The first room tax proposal for Sheboygan in 1983 simply states the intent to increase funding of tourism and visitor promotions. A 4% room tax was imposed and 95% was used for tourism promotion development. A steering committee was appointed which consisted of three representatives of the lodging industry, two Alterman, two chamber, two tourism, and three members at large. The proposal elaborates on the numerous benefits to the community by making Sheboygan a known tourist destination through the use of room tax and with the guidance of the steering committee. At the time, I filed the room tax lawsuit. Room tax doubled to 8%, and the amount spent on tourism promotion development dropped from 95% to 12%. There also was no steering committee or what is now referred to as a room tax commission. What had happened? Apparently the room tax collected had become a slush fund of sorts. Now I've heard numerous times from city officials that Sheboygan's expenditure of room tax is what some other communities are using it for. I do not consider that a justification. As a child, if I told my parents I misbehaved because all the kids did it, I would still punish. There's no difference here. The state statute clearly defines what room tax is intended for and to try to justify misusing it is just plain wrong. That is why in 1999, I started lobbying for a room tax commission. The key component of the commission would be those of us lodging and tourism who make our living from tourism. We are the experts. We attend conventions, sit on state association boards, and keep a pulse on the latest tourism trends. The only reason I can think of that the city would not want a tourism commission overseeing the expenditure of room tax dollars is the city does not want to lose control of the money to use as it wants. Clearly not for its intended purpose of tourism promotion and development. Let's be simplistic. One 30 seconds please. All those in favor? Any opposed? Please continue. Thank you. Please be simplistic. Why are we collecting room tax at all when at the current rate it is estimated that only 15% of the room tax collected in 2005 will actually be used for marketing? Is it to fleece the pockets of overnight visitors to our city because that is what I feel is happening? There is a potential new legislation that would more clearly define the room tax statute. However, if the legislation has passed, Sheboygan would be exempt. There are legislative changes that unless Sheboygan is exempt it will not pass. They have been told that a local representative has the ear of the governor and would veto the legislation unless Sheboygan is exempt. To me, this makes Sheboygan look like the poster child of a room tax nightmare statewide. I offered the settlement to end this nightmare. I filed the appeal because I have not seen any evidence that the city is willing to use room tax statute. Unless forced by the courts. Thank you for your time. Thank you. Next on the list is John Burner. I was doodling. John, can I have your address, please? Yes, John Burner, 1919 Broadway. Sheboygan. John, you have five minutes. Good evening, everybody. I don't even know what I was going to talk about. Police station. I hope this thing gets settled soon. I have heard so much on it. The WHBL took a survey on it and people don't even care anymore. They are sick of it. The people that wanted 14th Street it was voted in three times and now it is voted out. 23rd Street I think something central in the city. Centrally, when I mean population-wise, centrally people call in the WHBL center city 23rd Street look from the air. They got to travel on the ground. But I thought there could be a solution very cheap. 15 police per shift 15 metros set outside the city. All around. That is your station. It would be cheap. Wouldn't take up much area. Wouldn't have to buy. Have the little phones like you used to have on the telephone poles not them. This is what this is getting to be a joke. It is. This police station. Something so simple. I was the policeman. I just laugh. Another thing on this racial thing that the press had in there and an insane person did it or didn't. I don't know. But Channel 4 carried it tonight. Channel 4 said city shaborgan is one of the few police that don't have cameras in your vehicles. You know how simple it would have been. Camera going as this was all taking place. Now you got three police officers, one person, one passenger. It would have been simple. The police are as good as the tools you give them to use. It's not like a library of the library. Nothing against it. But people walk to the library. Criminals don't want to the police station. You don't see a drug addict going to the police station. Can you tell me where I can buy this? What street? You don't. And I think our police are doing a wonderful job. I'm a friend of Joe DiCecco. I know the mayor knows him. You went to school, right? All he wants is one budget cuts. He works through the weekend. Because I'm dealing with him from a previous thing with the company that was here that went out of business for the last year and a half. We just kept, they go by priority. We just keep sitting on the bottom, I guess. But he's a very good person. In this dog situation, Mrs. Kittleson there, your grandkids were in the backyard and there was a dog out. And somebody had called the police. Police aren't equipped to handle this. They don't have any means of capturing a dog. And like a little grand girl, their granddaughter there was running around in which she wants to go to the dog. This dog just backed up and hunched over. Police aren't I mean, something has to be done. It's not that many dogs, it doesn't just happen. It happens and the police aren't equipped. They're not. I don't think, I think something could be worked out with a humane society that if they're called, the person that's getting called has to pay for it. Plus a fine. I mean, somebody that's not there, that's on call, that might be a solution. That he's not full payroll, but it is. You pay $500 to have that dog taken in. And that goes, plus you're fine. Another thing is, I haven't talked, I've been watching the Common Council and I've had people stop by my house and ask me why I haven't talked. I said there's new blood in here and they've got to get working together and a lot of people feel that this Common Council is very split and they see the older members, some of the older members that are trying to work together with the newer members and the newer members are the ones now that are nope. It's true. It's not just me, it's a lot of people out there. A lot of people are watching you. You've got to work together. People that have been on the Common Council before, I know, finds out. I, okay, I'll get a couple extra seconds, right? You're going to have to work together. You are. It's give and take. Thank you. Thank you, John. I got a scoot so I can hear the rest of this. Okay? Next on the list is Tom Gessler. Tom, can I have your address, please? 1711 Salt 12 Street. Yes. Okay, good evening. I have several topics I'd like to talk about tonight. One is the tax season coming up right around the corner. Okay? I own the house in Sheboygan here about 16 years and my taxes went up like everybody else's about 120%. Meanwhile, wages went up about 45%, 40%. That seems to be a problem with me and a lot other people. However, solution. Every problem, we got to look for a solution. I came here a couple months ago and I informed the entire council that there's money all to this city. And I haven't heard a word why it's not being collected. I don't know if somebody's afraid to step on somebody's toes. We may have to do that. There's several million dollars all to this city. It seems much easier to take $100 and thrown on everybody's tax bill. It's not the way to do it. You get the money that's owed to the city first. Milwaukee's doing it right now. They're owed $41 million. $28 million is traffic citations. They're going after this money. I don't know if it's garnishing the wages. I'd have to ask the city attorney later on. However, some of them are people you might know. Like I said, you're going to have to step on some toes. This money has to be paid back. One of them is a mayor of a suburb of Milwaukee. What was the city a quarter million dollars? If you want the name, I'll give it to you later.  This is money. This is the taxpayer's money. There's elderly taxpayers I talked to. They have to move out of the city to can't afford it anymore. Okay, I would like to stay in this city. But we got to start collecting some of this money. We might want to start a committee. We have committees for everything else, about 30 of them. We might get a committee of two or three alderman looking into possibly setting something up with a collection agency. I'm guessing there's about $4 million old right now that I know of. The next topic is the wheel tax. Registered a vehicle last week and the wheel tax went back to $6. That's not much. I don't have a problem with that. But I think it was originally designed for repairing the roads. I don't see a lot of road repair going on other than Michigan Avenue. I think we could do a little bit more road repair with that money. And I'm sure it's for tourism and other things, but I think we could use that a little bit differently. The next thing is industry in this city. Over the last many years, just a few places that left Heisen, Arway, Schreier-Malt, Tannery, Oppenberg, Levin, Shoe, Kingsbury. We're losing a lot of industry. We might want to make a committee three, four people figure out how to attract industry to this city. Seems that a lot more are leaving and not many are coming. There's a reason that they're not building here. I don't know if it's the storm runoff fees. I don't know if it's the taxes. I don't know. However, I think we should get a committee together and study this and figure out why, why when somebody is building, why are they building in Uh, Usberg, why are they building in, uh, Grafton, Salkville, uh, down that way they're building all over near Port Washington. Seems like not much is coming here. But I would like to thank the, uh, companies that do believe in Sheboygan yet building here. That's great. We need you. Thank you. Uh, last on the list is Gina Steinhardt. Gina, can I get your home address please? Sure. Make this shorter. 1311, Maryland Avenue, Sheboygan. Okay. I'm here today replacing Dimple Adams who had to work tonight. She's a much better speaker than I am, but I'll do my best. Um, Dimple and I want to thank the Sheboygan police department for all their efforts in our neighborhood, as well as the rest of Sheboygan. It is good to see that there have been many drug related arrests recently and there has been much more police presence in the shared and park area. We both feel the police are now doing more than their share in helping the city and need the help of the common council now. The council has reviewed and studied the new police department's location and needs for years. Now that there are new members of the council, they need to catch up with the rest of us to learn what is needed and quickly. Silas Van Der Wiel has explained in his latest Beacon Calm why the police department is needed and how the general public is at risk by using the current facilities here at City Hall. The police have come forward numerous times with statistics and expert opinions about how the police department needs to be centrally located in order to best serve the city. Many of our citizens have also come forward to speak at meetings or write tutorials to the paper sharing their own experiences and opinions about our city's needs. All of these people's time is valuable to them, I'm sure, and they all believe that the common council will take their opinions into account in making their decision. That is my hope also that the council will listen to the experts, the police, the citizens to make their decision to build the police station centrally and very soon. The longer this issue drags on, the politics interfering become much greater. The needs of our city's police should be placed ahead of building relationships with the county. The shared service issue that many keep bringing up is basically a moot point. Our city police currently share more than 20 services with the county and have always been open to additional options. It seems to me that the only problem between the county and city now involves the 23rd Street land deal and how the city can resolve the county's problems by buying that land. Whether you believe it or not, the Moyer Report acknowledges a contamination issue there and recommends that the county be responsible for the cleanup. Why are people denying this fact and creating so much confusion about this issue? If this location isn't the best choice, why isn't it eliminated entirely? That would stop wasting time discussing why it is or isn't the best location for the new police station that the council move on to better options. The police station is going to be built for our police so it's just common sense that their opinions and studies should be placed ahead of anyone else's. I started writing our my alderman in May of 2002 with problems such as traffic issues with Rockline, terrible road and sidewalk conditions, poorly managed rental properties, garbage strewn along our streets and into Mayline's property, drug dealing and gang activity at Sheridan Park. I have gone house to house with petitions and without getting neighbors' opinions about our area's needs. Some of the smaller issues have been resolved since then, but these bigger problems still exist to this day. Now our new mayor has promised to fix most of these problems without the need of placing the police department in Sheridan Park. I hope this can be done without too much cost to the taxpayers. After serving on this new committee he's mentioned creating for just this purpose. I also can't wait to see a new fence at Mayline, security cameras and a shelter at the park, better lighting all around the neighborhood and safer roads and sidewalks. It would also be great to see more companies besides Bemis donating money to help our neighborhood now that they've succeeded in saving Sheridan Park. I have been asked to be in charge of this association program. I am happy to do so since I have tried to do this last year with very limited results. I have a very few close neighbors who are interested, but we need more support. If you are interested in helping in any way please call me or email me at Gina underscore Steinhardt at yahoo.com. Thanks for your time and continued commitment to positive change. Tonight we have a hearing schedule. One amend the text of the zoning ordinance so as to repeal various subsections of the post construction stormwater management zoning ordinance relating to application of certain performance standards. Two propose assessments for paving of White Fox Drive from Riverdale Avenue to Grave Fox Drive. Three propose assessments for paving of South 17th Street from Washington Avenue to the Riverdale Avenue to the Riverdale Avenue to get 250,000 extra bills and are already terminus. Is there anyone who would like to speak on this, these hearings. Is there anyone that would like to speak to any of these hearings? Dolly. Thank you, Mr. Mayor. I would like to thank Tom Holton and ex mayor Shram. It's taken these people to that this is now beginning to happen so I think which one are you referring to Alderman I am referring to the the White Fox Drive okay and Gray Fox Drive and South 17th Street like I said that people have waited for close to four years for these roads to be built and now it's in the process and I just need to bring that forward thank you is there is there anyone else who would like to address council Alderman Graf thank you your honor I move that the hearings be closed there's a motion the second to hearings be closed all those in favor state I any opposed motion carries consent agenda horrors one five one through five twenty five Alderman Graf thank you your honor I would move that on five one through five twenty five that our all our O's be accepted in file all our C's be accepted and adopted and that we pass all res resolutions in general ordinances there's a motion to accept and follow all our O's accept and adopt all our C's and the attached resolution be put upon their passage so we please call D-Burk D-Burk Serta Davis I drop hi Montemay or I Radke I Sigali I step in Susha I then Akron van der Wiel and Bowman 16 I ocean carries communications and petitions to be referred 526 to 536 reports of officers to to be referred 537 to 553 resolutions introduced 3 by Alderman Graf Stefan Davis Montemayer and Susha requesting the mayor to submit a 2006 budget recommendation that maintains the general fund budget at a total level of appropriations of the 205 budget Alderman Graf and I would move for suspension I would move for suspension there's a motion for suspension is there any objection not please proceed and I would move that the resolution be put upon its passage there's a second there's a motion the second that the resolution be put upon its passage under discussion not all those in favor state aye any oppose motion carries 555 lies over 556 to 564 to be referred to 564 I should say Alderman Mani thank you honor I move to spend rules on 561 discuss it now you'd like to pull there pull 561 out make make motion to spend the rules is there any objection is there a second to spend rules any objections not please proceed Alderman Mani thank you first of all I'm going to bring a short amendment to my printed document then I'll read this so that people know the full substance before we discuss it then they I apologize for this slight amendment but I couldn't be in touch with the needed people prior my leaving vacation to be clear about a good exact terminology so the last the third the last be it further resolved third from the bottom simply add this phrase please at the end comma and then these words and will not be renewed in its present form period you're making that a motion to end is an emotion for amendment third the last be it further resolved add these words for the comma and will not be renewed in its present form on many we're just going to back up a little bit here I need you to make a motion to put the resolution upon its passage we a second then you can I move to the resolution put it on its passage the second there's a second there's a second okay now you can make the amendment now I move the amendment as previously noted and you have the exact word sensor third from the last paragraph I have and will not be renewed in its present correct period there's a motion to on the amendment Alderman graph I'm just can you read the entire be it further resolved because is it third from the bottom including them to let them to want the two on the second page or is it just the first page the first page instead of one I forgot be it further resolved that by June 30th 2005 the mayor informed the Chamber of Commerce that the terms of the city's contracts with the Chamber will quite possibly be modified in some form comma and will be not not be renewed in its present form and I'd be happy to speak to that if that is now okay we've got another Alderman Stefan I had a couple questions I guess can we get a second to that amendment I'll second it for the second almost effort I guess those two last two sentences kind of I want to make sure legally they're allowable because it seems to me that one says quite possibly we're gonna modify it and the other one says we're not gonna renew it like it is so I mean the quite possibly will be modified is kind of useless if you're telling him it won't be renewed as is I guess that's my first statement just on the wording of it and then I wanted to just check with the city attorney does this constitute I know for contractual reasons by the end of June we have to let the Chamber know we have we're gonna rediscovery open the contract or whatever this accomplishes that if we put that in there I believe it would all of them and Stefan yes okay and again I believe all of them and he's trying to address the fact that if we don't renew or do something with the contract before the end of the month it out automatically rolls over correct they'll give a council an opportunity to renegotiate the contract right any discussion on the amendment there's been a motion in the second any further discussion I'm sorry all of them graph thank you your honor I'm originally this was scheduled to go to the Committee of Whole which we are meeting next week is a committee of the whole and I'm wondering what is the urgency because if we meet next week is a committee of the whole and it's on there we can do all this there and still get it back to council by our June whatever it's going to be 20th and and then we can report after that the other thing I'm kind of questioning is that normally what the chamber does is bring the their proposed contract into the finance committee and finance has usually been the the committee that has been working it out with them and discussing it with them and then sending it back to the council for their approval and I'm just bringing that up because that's what normally has been done but I know changes need to be made and so forth and because of the fact that the dates coming up but still going to the committee of the whole next week I think would allow some of the aldermen to have more information and to get to be able to talk to this much more intelligently than some of us can talk to tonight so that's my only question is why aren't we doing this at the committee of the whole where it was originally scheduled no many would you like to dress it thank you to address that question I think it's important to establish a special study committee as soon as possible I think there's significant work to do the timeline is fairly short not just the end of June but it's proposed here by the end of September with a finished report therefore the chamber can have three months of clarity in their knowledge about what that new contract would it would include so I think we need to be expeditious and do this work and have the committee going as soon as possible. Secondarily about the amendment recognizing Alderman Steffen's commentary and the the ambiguity of the extra phrase I would amend my amendment to delete quite possibly be modified in some form and substitute and will not be redoed in its present form. Okay. Pardon me. So strike the one phrase and leave the phrase in that I previously added. Do we need to take a vote on that separately? Do we need to take a vote on that separately? I think it's a friendly amendment. Okay. That that adjustment will be treated as just a friendly change in the amendment it'll stand under the original motion to amend and under the original second to amend. Alderman Berg. While we just heard the chamber of commerce give their spiel tonight I don't know why we want to have another special committee to study this or study that when they and try to push it through tonight so I will not support this document. Okay. Maybe not. Alderman Montemayor. Thank you your honor. I when I read this in my agenda I thought oh good for Alderman Manny we're going to get some information put together we're going to know what's going on so we can quickly go ahead with this and let the chamber know where they stand. If it's a giant change, if it's a small change, if it's no change we should find out as soon as we can. Thank you Alderman Manny. Alderman Eberg. Thank you Erin. If I understand correctly what this would do is put a committee in place of the finance committee where this committee would develop parameters the chamber is desirous of a longer term contract I think it's appropriate that we sit down with them and take a look at the longer term nature of the contract and build that probably with a smaller group of people and if I understand correctly this will then come as a report to the whole council and then be likely referred to the finance committee for their deliberation. Alderman Manny. Thank you your honor. That's exactly correct. I do want to say one thing very clearly and that is this is not in any measure an attack on the chamber it's simply an attempt to get every party to the table all that information together will give us much more wisdom and clarity and knowledge than the finance committee for instance could do on its own in short term. I want to see lodging people together with chamber with council etc. Alderman Settler. Thank you your honor. I guess I'm missing something here I guess why fix something if it's not broken we just identified that the chamber services the city very well we have representation from the city including an alderman on the CVV board we also have Paulette Enders who works with city planning and development it's diversified I have it here there's many representation here through lodging business and you know what I found interesting too when speaking about the long-term effects of possibly creating a tourism commission which this study would create and possibly look at when I looked at the packet that alderman sushi had given us during her last presentation there's a communication with herself and mike mooth discussing who's going to actually be on that tourism commission board and actually mr. mooth presents himself with the confirmation that alderman sushi also agrees that that could be a possibility I have some concerns here that like I said why are we creating another bureaucracy that what what we have works right now unless someone can give me a clear definition as to what what's not what are we missing here because the chamber is doing a good job thank you. Alderman Stefan. I guess just as a point of order right now we're just discussing that one little paragraph of change or one little just the deletion of will quite possibly be modified in some form and will not be renewed in this present form so I think we should just get past that and then move to the whole document. Alderman sushi. Just a very quick comment in regards thank you your honor in regards to the comments about if it's not broke why fix it. What's being left out of the total picture here is that last year based on another document that I received from Rich Gephardt we generated nine hundred and fifty thousand dollars in room tax but yet if you look at the balance sheet on the page of the shabuigan CVB that we received today they're talking about room tax that they received of two hundred and eighty nine thousand dollars so there is a big difference between nine hundred and fifty and two hundred and eighty nine thousand dollars and that's why I would support putting together a task force to look at all of the room tax not just a small segregated part I think there's a lot more to the big picture that not all the alderman understand as far as what's going on thank you. On the amendment. Alderman Van der Wiel. I just wanted to say when you stick to the amendment I'll call the question on the amendment. Question has been called. Roll call. You know what you're voting in? Does everybody know? If you're voting on the amendment and the friendly addition to the amendment the amendment was that on your first page three paragraphs up you're going to delete will quite possibly be modified in some form and replace it with and will not be renewed in its present form that's what you're voting on to change those words. Okay let me just if I may just to clarify a little bit further if the council does not approve this then at some point it's going it council may be may have to vote to give notice to the to the chamber anyway because if the council does not the contract automatically rolls over for a year it doesn't do the chamber any good to have a contract for one year and it doesn't do us any good. I think what Alderman Manning is trying to do if I can gather my thoughts here following him is just simply get the process going so that this thing does not roll over automatically so that a task force has the the the opportunity to look at it and then bring back recommendations to the council we stay within the contractual terms recommendations come to the council then you can decide that's all this that's all this amendment is doing okay roll call. Do you understand that now? Uh, Serta. No. Davis. All right. Rob. No. Kittleson. No. Manny. Aye. Meyer. Aye. Montemayor. Aye. Radke. Aye. Sevali. No. Stefan. Aye. Sushia. Aye. Van Akron. No. Vanderweel. No. Baumann. No. Dieberg. No. Eber. Aye. The vote is nine to seven. Amendment passes. Amendment passes. Alderman Stephan, do you have a quick comment on that? No I'd actually like to offer another amendment in the in the hopes of creating some continuity all the person across stated that's in the passes have been done by finance. I would propose to amend the fourth last paragraph on the first page where it says two representatives from the chamber of commerce and three council members to just change that to three finance committee members and that would create the continuity perhaps that we're looking for. There's an amendment to the motion that has been amended to change the three council members to reflect three finance committee members under discussion. Alderman Manny. Thank you. My question is with the people on finance have the time I see this taking a whole lot of time this summer and secondarily do they have the interest. It's going to take a lot of listing and a lot of work in bringing people together and that's my only question. Stefan. No you're done. Sorry about that. Alderman Vanderweel. No. Okay any further discussion on the amendment? Local. Do you want to know what the amendment is? Sorry about that. Are you all clear? You're voting an aye vote would be to change fourth paragraph up on the first page. Last three words say three council members this would change it to three finance committee members an aye vote would be to do that. Davis. All right. Graf. No. Kittleson. No. Manny. No. Meyer. Aye. Montemayor. No. Ratke. No. Sagalli. No. Stefan. Aye. Susha. Aye. Van Akron. No. Vanderweel. No. Bauman. Aye. Dieberg. No. Eberg. No. And Serda. No. The amendment fails five to eleven. Okay. Next we'll vote on the resolution as amended. Does anybody need that clarified? Alderman Graf. You need a motion to that effect. I think we have one on the floor don't we Steve? No. The original motion. Oh no. As amended. Motion is amended. Would you like to make that Alderman Graf? No. Who would? Call over Manny. I move the amended resolution you put upon its passage. Is there a second? There's a second. Under discussion. Alderman Susha. Thank you your honor. I'd like to actually offer another amendment just for clarification. On the fifth paragraph up from the bottom we're therefore resolved that the mayor appoint nine members to form a special study committee. I'd like to insert consisting of city residents because I think this would help eliminate some of the problems in the past. Alderman Serta just mentioned Mr. Muth who is not a city resident. She's right. People who don't live in the city shouldn't unnecessarily have to put their influence into the situation. So I would like to make that amendment. There is a motion to amend. Is there a second? There's a second. Under discussion. Alderman Serta. Thank you your honor. Can I discuss on the amendment portion of this? Please. Okay. I think by amending it this way we could leave out a critical component and that would be on representation from Blue Harbor who necessarily they they put a lot into our room tax dollars and by amending this to this they would be left out of that and they're a big component to this. Thank you. Any more discussion? Yes. Alderman Susha could you tell me where you want it inserted please? Right after. Special study committee and then tell me what you wanted to say. Consisting of city residents. Okay. We'll vote on that amendment. That's stage consistent of city residents. Please call the roll. Alderman Manny. Thank you your honor. I simply note in my mind at least if we go with resolution and limit this to city members I don't think that limits input from others who live outside the city. This committee can and will search out everything and then anything it needs to have as holistic approach on as much information as possible. So I think this is a very faithful to the spirit of the intent that I bring. Any further discussion? Please call the roll. Do you know what you're holding on? Everybody clear? Uh, Graf? No. Kittleson? No. Manny? Yes. Meyer? Aye. Montemayor? Aye. Bradkey? Aye. Segali? No. Stefan? Aye. Susha? Aye. Van Akron? No. Vanderwiel? No. Bowman? No. Diverg? No. Eberg? No. Serta? No. Davis? No. The amendment fails 6 to 10. Okay. So then we will vote on the motion to put the resolution upon its passage as amended. Call him and Stefan. Just I'd like the city attorney to tell us if we wrote this down tonight I know some of the other persons had a question of fast-tracking it let's say. Does it come back automatically or does it have to be brought back in? If the documents voted down? Right. If they vote no on this vote it doesn't come back automatically. Somebody's got to bring it in and start the process all over. Please call the roll. Alderman Graf? Thank you your honor. Steve, but wouldn't it then fall back to going to the committee of the whole as it was originally brought in to go to the committee of the hall? On this motion. We could make a motion to send it to the committee of the whole after it was voted down. Well the rules were suspended you know to act on the document tonight because if you don't act on it if you vote the document down I think it's gone. Alderman Ratke? Just want to stay with all the amendments and everything here it's important that we put this thing through at least if the chamber is looking for a long-term agreement then we owe it to the people in this community to take a look at that long-term agreement that they're looking for and if we don't we'll be coming back next year and saying okay we got another one-year contract coming up do we want to do that or we want to look at a long-term agreement we should just put this thing to bed to you know tonight get it going get everything answered and take it from there thank you your honor. Alderman Meyer? Thank you Mr. Mayor I want to say I agree with Alderman Ratke I think we've had a lot of instances in the city where we need to look at what's going on and we have a lawsuit right now and I think it is in the best interest to pass this tonight thank you. Alderman Serda? Thank you your honor I think there needs to be some clarification and maybe Alderman Groff can help us out there seems to be we've gotten the impression that if we don't create this committee that this contract isn't going to be renewed that these contracts in the past I don't know how they ever got renewed I think we do have a practice in place here that the Alderman all have input on their discretion um and maybe Alderman Groff can highlight some of the things that take place with this contract process that it does take place in finance thank you. Alderman Groff would you like to highlight that? I will try basically um the last time we had this contract was five years ago I think and what happened at that particular time is that the chamber came in presented a contract to the finance committee the finance committee discussed it and asked questions regarding it and so forth we brought it back to the um to it could have been brought back to the council asking for a special committee the whole meeting where the chamber came and discussed um exactly what the contract all had in it and um we voted on it after that so um I don't know Rich is there anything else that we have to do um other than that okay. Alderman D. Berg? Like Alderman Groff said the chamber brings it in talks to the finance they either you can have a committee to whole meeting and then they bring it to the I don't see why we have to keep on hiring or getting all these committees together they're you're taking you're taking the power away from the council we're the ones that uh are supposed to control things and here every every time something comes up they want to have a study committee a study committee I I'm just going to vote no on this document once and for all. Alderman Serda. Thank you Your Honor my last suggestion would be maybe what we can do seeing that this is um important to us all is to have a committee of the whole on this once this contract has been explored so we can have some good discussion on it. Alderman Montemayor. Thank you Your Honor I can't imagine objecting to gathering information from people who know what they're doing and that's what we want to try to do tonight thank you. Alderman Eberg. Yes thank you Your Honor I think we're pleased to have the chamber represented this evening so I'd like to move to open the floor to any chamber member if they would wish to add their input into this particular uh resolution. There's a motion the second to open the floor. Do you have a chamber member in mind? Uh perhaps uh Miss Olson she wishes to speak. To open the floor to Miss D Olson. Oh there's a motion in the second. All those in favor state aye. Aye. Any opposed? Motion carries. Miss Olson. First of all I didn't think getting a contract would be so difficult. We've had one multiple times and uh I've never gone through quite this um as you know the chamber wants to see a long-term contract we want to be your continued provider for the service and the tourism industry. I think I shared at the committee to hold the state statute as it relates to the need to contract with the tourism entity. We are that entity um whichever way you choose to sit down and address that with us we will be open to doing that because we need to work in partnership with the city but I don't think we need to make it difficult to get to a resolve in getting a contract. So if you want to do the study committee we'll be open to sitting down uh and working with you on developing a contract. I think there's some other legalities that have to be addressed if you decide you want to go with the tourism commission and uh I think uh the old city attorney Stephen King should be a part of that study committee because the state statute clearly defines a number of things as it relates to um developing a tourism commission and some components of doing that. Any questions you have of me? Paul McGrath. Yeah Dee um are you prepared within the next week to um to present your contract to the your proposal to the city as far as the contract you're looking for um. We could certainly be prepared yes if you would like us to do that. And as you did in the past presented to like the finance committee and then have them presented to the council and have you come and present it to the council also after the recommendation or something. We would be happy to do it in the same fashion that we have done if that is your choosing. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you Miss Olson. Okay we have a motion as amended right. Does everybody know what the motion is? The resolution as amended the only amendment you made was on the third paragraph off upwards as deleting out will quite possibly be modified in some form it will now say and will not be renewed in its present form that's the only one that passed otherwise the rest of the resolution stands as an aye vote would be with that one change. Thank you. So what you are saying is that we are voting on this whole resolution now. So the aye is to accept the no is to. With the amendment I just read. Okay thank you. Please call the roll. I'm not sure that I have enough information here right now to to to give a vote that. Wait okay. That is acceptable. I'm gonna say no. Manny. Aye. Meyer. Aye. Montemay or. Aye. Radke. Aye. Sagali. No. Stefan. No. Susha. Aye. Van Akron. No. Van Der Wiel. No. Bauman. No. Dieberg. No. Eberg. Aye. Serda. No. Davis. No. Graf. No. The motion lost 6 to 10. Okay a moment along the part of committee is 6 565 by public protection and safety recommended filing documents submitted to communication from Donna's Sweden of the Skybox Sports Pub and grill request and permission to close St. Clair Avenue from North 8th Street to North 9th Street from August 11th 14th 11th to the 14th for the second annual street fest and granting permission. Oh my I need to call an almond Susha make a motion motion to accept and adopt reporter committee. All in my under discussion. Thank you your honor. I just want to say I am part of this committee and the information we were giving given during the meeting was very stellar. It was a good for everybody that this festivity happened and they want to do it again this year. But since then I've learned a lot of information about the neighbors of the Skybox and last year it was not as wonderful as we were told the lot of the neighbors had complaints about noise people urinating on their property. And I think we've been we need to look back at this. Thank you. Paul. Thank you your honor. I also received several calls regarding this particular issue. At this time I'd like to re refer to public protection and safety. There's a motion to re refer a report of committee 565 back to public protection and safety. And there's a second under discussion. I'm going to call on it. Under discussion. Hallerman and Ben Akron. Yeah I have a one question for an attorney. Is this an hour recalling it's a block party or a fair because if it's a block party every person on that block has to agree to have this. How is this named is it a block party or a fest party or whatever they're calling it. I'm not specifically familiar with their request but I don't believe it's a block party under the ordinance. I think they asked for permission to hold a street festival of some sort. You know the we do have a block party ordinance that talks about contacting the the other neighbors on the street and you know I think anytime you close the street it's probably best to have input from the neighbors and I think that's what Alderman Meyer was talking about and Alderman Graf that hearing concerns from the other neighbors so the proper thing to do I think is to refer it back to the committee invite those people in and see if they can get some consensus as to what they want to do. And you've got obviously this is August 11th through the 14th so it's not this weekend or anything like that. You've got some time to address those concerns. Alderman Sigali. Thank you your honor. If I'm not mistaken I thought that this was held last year just and we gave permission just because of the PGA was in town and that they wanted to have something like this during the PGA event. I didn't realize that they were going to request it every year from now on so if we could have some discussion that on that too from Public Protection Safety I think that's necessary. Thank you. Alderman Graf. Thank you your honor just for the Public Protection and Safety Committee when if this is sent back to them the owner of the apartment complex and the building next door to the apartment complex that's right next to Skybox should be invited in also because he has he has information from his tenants as to what happened during this last year and he's one of the people that I talked to so. Alderman Susha. Thank you mayor just as a point of clarification it is a block party permit that they are applying for and Mr. Fox was unable to attend but we did have photos and a letter with his statements that we did review. The vote on this was three in favor of moving ahead and one opposed and it sounds like some of the committee members have already started reconsidering. Thank you. Alderman Ratke. Thank you your honor I was one of those that voted for it in committee and I have changed my mind after talking to various people to a no vote on the floor here tonight. Alderman Montemayor. Thank you your honor I too received a call said how did the vote go and when I relayed the information the neighbor was not happy and talked to me a lot about his experiences of what happened last year so I also am going to vote against this here on the council floor or if it comes back to public protection and safety and we get more input from the neighbors thank you. Alderman Vanderwill. Thank you your honor I just want to remind council that the motion was to send it back to committee so we can this discussion and committee and right now we're just bringing our hands against them all so thank you. Alderman Susha. Maybe it's a point of order can we call the question we're getting ready to do it. Thank you. Okay there's a motion in the second on the floor to re-refer back 565 to public protection and safety committee please call the roll. Manny. Meyer. Aye. Montemayor. Aye. Ratke. No. Sagali. Aye. Stefan. Aye. Susha. Aye. Van Akron. Aye. Vanderwheel. Aye. Baumann. Aye. Dieberg. Aye. Dieberg. Aye. Serda. Aye. Davis. Aye. Graf. Aye. And Kittelsen. Aye. Fifteen ayes one no. Motion passes. 566 by public protection and safety recommended filing documents submitted a communication from the lake fest during committee requesting keeping the land park open until midnight on august 19th and 20th and asking permission to sell beer until 11 p.m. and the committee recommends approving music ending at 10 30 p.m. beer sells ending at 10 45 p.m. and the park closing at midnight. Alderman Susha. Thank you. Meyer. I move to accept and adopt the report of committee. There's a motion in the second to accept and adopt reported committee under discussion. Alderman Bauman. Thank you your honor as long as we're doing 566 567 is exactly the same wording it's coming out of public public works I'd like to just move that that one also be accepted and adopted. Okay motion to accept and adopt 566 and 567 together. Second. Any discussion on that? Not all in favor state aye. Any opposed? Motion carries. Thank you. 568 by public protection and safety recommended filing documents submitted a communication from the JC's request and review and approval of operating hours for the event held in Kiwanis Park from august 4th through the 6th and the committee approving the request Alderman Susha. Okay I'd like to also take 569 with it it's the same document coming from public works and I'd like to move to accept and adopt the reports of committees. There's a motion to accept and adopt 568 and 569. There's a second under discussion. Alderman Bauman. I'm sorry you didn't you didn't you didn't want to talk. Alderman Croft. Thank you your honor I was just wondering if the the chairperson of either committee could tell us what are the the new hours and so forth and and what request are we granting. We've got Alderman Bauman would like to address it. Thank you your honor exactly the same as the request from the Larry Salmon of Lake Fest with the music 10 to 10 30 beer sales at 10 45 and closing the park at midnight. Alderman Susha. With the exception of the Thursday night festivities at Kiwanis Park they will end a little bit earlier than that. Okay there's a motion to accept and adopt 568 and 569 together. Any further discussion? Not all those in favor state aye. Any opposed? Motion carries. 570 by the commuter the whole recommended filing document submitted a communication from Susan Hunley requesting that the common council consider in closed session the settlement offer that was submitted on October 18th 04 regarding room text litigation. Alderman Montemayor. Thank you your honor. I move that the report of committee be accepted and adopted which means we accept and adopt the report. There's no action because the action was to file it. Thank you. There's a motion second to accept and adopt 570 under discussion not all those in favor state aye. Aye. Motion any opposed? Motion carries. 571 by the commuter the whole recommended filing resolution 290506 by Alderman Manning relating to the city contract with the Chamber of Commons regarding relating to tourism promotion. Alderman Montemayor. Thank you your honor. I move that the resolution by Alderman Manning relating to city contract with the Chamber of Commerce relating to tourism promotion recommend that the resolution be I move that the resolution be placed on file. 5701 that the motion to accept and adopt a report of committee is there a second? Under discussion not all those in favor state aye. Any opposed? Motion carries. Ordinance is introduced 10 lies over 572 and 573 to be referred 574 through 576 matters laid over 440 we will hold for 460, 441 an RO RO number 390506 by City Planning Commission recommending repealing subsections of the post construction stormwater management zoning ordinance relating to the application of certain performance standards. Who wants to take that one? Alderman Montemayor. Thank you. I move that we okay what are the words for the report of accept and file the RO. Accept and file the RO. And then the ordinance be passed. And let the ordinance be passed. And the ordinance be passed. There's a motion to accept and file a RO and that the ordinance be passed. There's a second under discussion not all those in favor state aye. You need a roll call? Okay. Take that back gentlemen and ladies. We'll take a roll call. Sue? Mayer? Aye. Susha? Aye. Ben Akron? Aye. Andrew Wille? Aye. Bowman? Aye. D Berge? Aye. D Berge? Aye. Serta? Aye. Davis? Aye. Roth? Aye. Hiddleston? Aye. And Manny? Aye. 16 ayes. Motion passes. 458 resolution number 240506 by Alderman Stefan Montemayor authorizing a transfer of appropriations in 205 budget. Alderman Stefan? Your Honor if I could I'd like to take 459 also. Please do. I would move that both resolutions 240506 and 250506 be put upon their passage. There's a motion and second 458, 459 be put upon the passage. Just for information 458 is some transfers from CAT licenses to the CAT pounding service. It's also the transfer of the $8,000 contribution to the park department being put in account for exercise equipment as well as explained at the last committee meeting or council meeting and 459 is just transferring money from building inspection for host numbers in the trailer park. Thank you. Thank you. Alderman Stefan? Any other discussion? Not. Would you please call the roll? Montemayor? Aye. Radke? Aye. Segelling? Aye. Stefan? Aye. Susha? Aye. Ben Akron? Aye. Andrew Wille? Aye. Bowman? Aye. D Berge? Aye. Eberg? Aye. Serta? Aye. Davis? Aye. Graf? Aye. Kittleson? Aye. Manning? Aye. And Meyer? Aye. Sixteen? Aye. Motion passes. 460, need a motion to put the resolution upon this passage. Resolution number 260506 by Alderman Stefan, Montemayor, and Davis authorized an entry into a contract for obtaining financial consulting services. And we will take 440 along with that. Alderman Stefan? All right, move the resolution. Had a report of committee. Be adopted. There's a motion to put resolution number 260506 upon this passage and accept and accept and file the RO and pass the resolution attached. There's a second under discussion. Please call the roll. Radke? I'm sorry. Segelling. Thank you. Your Honor, if you could just please explain what entering into contract, obtaining financial consulting services is all about. Please. Alderman Stefan? I'll give you the very, very brief. And if you want anything more, Rich is willing and able to. This is basically our bonding provider who looks out there at the future and advises us on when we're looking for municipal bonds and borrowing and provides those services to us. Actually, I don't think in the next year we're really going to need it, but we needed a contract to extend that far. Thank you, Alderman Stefan. Any other questions? No, please call the roll. Radke? I'm sorry. Segelling? I'm sorry. Stefan? I'm sorry. Susha? I'm sorry. Van Adren? I'm sorry. Vanderweel? I'm sorry. Bowman? I'm sorry. Dieberg? I'm sorry. Eber? I'm sorry. Serta? I'm sorry. Davis? I'm sorry. Braf? I'm sorry. Kittleson? I'm sorry. Manny? I'm sorry. Meyer? I'm sorry. Montemay or? I'm sorry. Sixteen? I'm sorry. Motion carries. 466, general ordinance number 50506, Bowman, Meyer and Montemay or creating the Board of Parks and Forestry commissioners as division 11 of article 5, chapter 2 of the Cheboygan Municipal Code. Alderman Meyer? Thank you, Mr. Mayor. I move that the general ordinance be put upon his passage. There's a motion to second. General Ornans be put upon his passage under discussion. Alderman Montemay or? Thank you, Your Honor. I think on the second page, section 2-765A explains a lot. The Board of the Park and Forestry commissioners shall have the following duties and authorities. Be responsible for providing advice and counsel on all aspects of development, maintenance, preservation, objectives, and policies of the parks, park facilities, park ways, boulevards, forestry program, and such other public areas under the jurisdiction of the park department located within or without the corporate limits of the city, like the new one we just got. And secure the quiet, orderly, and suitable use and enjoyment thereof by the people. The Board shall submit rules and regulations that require legislations that will promote those purposes to the Public Works Committee of the Common Council and to the good of all of us. Thank you, Alderman Meyer. Alderman Berg? Here we go again, another committee. We got the Department of Public Works, we got Paul Meyer, Head of the Park System, all very experienced people. Now we want to start another committee. I will not support this document. Alderman Meyer? Thank you, Mr. Mayor. This Board was already enacted years ago, and it was dissolved in April 2001 when Mayor Schramm was in office. And one of the purposes of this Board is to protect our parks. And with the dissolving of this Board, it kind of led the way for what happened with Sheridan Park because the park was put in the hands of people that didn't understand or respect our parks. And I think this Board, the Park and Forestry Board, needs to be reinstated. We don't need to repeat what we just did. Thank you. Any further discussion? Alderman Mene? Thank you, Your Honor. It's true that many aspects of the work that this commission would do are aspects of work that Public Works already does. But there are extra things and additional things that would be potentially exciting and really positive long-term. They could include capital fund raising, thus purchasing of other park lands. It could include volunteer programs of sorts that I don't quite envision, but when people get together, good things happen. So I think it has much more potential than might appear for some people on the service. Thank you, Alderman Mene. Alderman Serda? Thank you, Your Honor. I would question Alderman Meyer if they've explored the idea of putting Sheridan Park at the top of their list to see if some of the action plan that was discussed at the last meeting, if that entity would also work on safeguarding that part particularly. Thank you. Alderman Montemayor? Thank you, Your Honor. The group proposed that would make up this committee commission would be the chairman of Public Works, city superintendent of parks. That makes good sense, Paul Meyer. Somebody from the Schwoigen Plan Commission, the long-range lookers, representative of the Schwoigen area school district. The schools could help us also. The city director of Public Works and Engineering, of course, we need his brains in there. Somebody from the police department. And somebody from the historic preservation commission. All sorts of information coming together for one purpose. Let's get lots of input by people who know what they're doing and know what they're talking about to give us more information so we make better decisions. Alderman Bowman? Thank you, Your Honor. If I could, I'd like to first make an amendment to this on page two. In the section seven or two dash seven six four under letter B, word states one member of the board shall be the chairperson of the Public Works Committee of the Common Council. I'd like to add the words or his designee. This is to be just in case the chairperson could not make that particular meeting that someone could be there in that person's place. Okay, there's a motion in a second to amend section D. Letter B. B, letter B. To state one member of the board shall be the chairman of the Public Works Committee of the Common Council or his or her designee, correct? There's a motion to amend. Any discussion on the amendment? If not, please call the roll. We'll wait on City Clerk Richard. She's working really hard tonight. Stefan, this is the amendment of the board. Susha. Van Akron. I'm sorry, Van Der Wiel. Bowman. D. Berg. No. E. Berg. Serda. I'm Davis. I'm Bra. Kittleson. Manny. Meijer. Montemayor. Radke. I'm Sakali. Fifteen ayes, one no. The amendment passes. Now we'll take a vote on the motion as amended. Take call. The roll. And we'll wait for Sue. Did we get a motion as amended? There was one on the floor. Oh, wait a minute. Alderman Bowman. Your Honor, I'd move that the general ordinance be passed as amended. There's a motion in a second. The pass resolution as amended. Please call the roll. Susha. I'm Van Akron. I'm Van Der Wiel. I'm Bowman. I'm D. Berg. No. E. Berg. Serda. I'm Davis. I'm Bra. I'm Kittleson. I'm Manny. I'm Meijer. I'm Montemayor. I'm Radke. I'm Sakali. No. Stefan. Aye. Working rights to noes. Motion passes. Alderman Stephan. Your Honor, I don't know if this is out of order. If it is, you could certainly tell me I am. Since we've now created a parks commission, could we go back and take document 559 and do a dual refer on that to also go to the parks commission? I'm sorry, what now? 559, the communication from Eldenburg regarding pet friendly areas. We're referring that to public works, and I guess I would just ask it would make sense now if we would also refer to the newly created parks commission. 559. 559 for deceit and correct. 559. That way that commission has some work to do. Do we need a motion to do that or? I would still move. What is your motion, Alderman Stephan? That document 559 be sent to both public works and parks commission. Okay. There's a motion to second to refer 559 of public works and to the Board of Parks and Forestry Commission. There's a second under discussion. You want to roll call on that? All those in favor, state aye. Any opposed? Motion passes. 466, General Ordinance 60506 by Alderman Sousha, Vanderwheel, Montemayor, Ratke, and Meyer relating to the no parking at any time period so as to delete the south side of Kentucky Avenue from the east curb line of South 11th Street to a 0.73 feet west thereof. Alderman Sousha. I move that the general ordinance be put upon its passage. There's a motion to second. General Ordinance be put upon its passage under discussion. Alderman Zagali. Thank you. If someone could please just explain why this this is taking place while you want the no parking at any time periods during this in this area. Alderman Sousha. Please please rise. Yeah, answer. It's going to be deleting this on the south side of Kentucky Avenue from the east curb line of South 11th Street and then 73 feet west. That's a good question. I could have a minute to look at my documents. Sure. Alderman Ratke. Thank you, your honor. As I recall in committee Sergeant Tarkowski mentioned something about they redid some curb work down there so they didn't need all that any longer so they remove the restrictions down there. Thank you, Alderman Ratke. Any further discussion? Please call the roll. May I have them? Aye. Vanderbilt? Aye. Bowman? Aye. Divert? Aye. Divert? Aye. Serta? Aye. Davis? Aye. Brock? Aye. Hiddleston? Aye. Manny? Aye. Meyer? Aye. Montemay or? Aye. Ratke? Aye. Zagali? Aye. Steppen? Aye. Sousha? 16 ayes. Motion carries. Other matters authorized by law by law 577 and RO by the city clerk granting various licenses. I'd ask for a motion to accept and file the RO. There's a motion second under discussion. All those in favor state aye. Aye. Any opposed? Motion carries. 578 will go to finance. 579 lies over. 580 will go to finance. 581 will be referred to public protection and safety. I'm sorry. Alderman Graf did you want to speak to her? Yes, your honor. On 578 according to the agenda it's supposed to go to the Mayor's International Committee. That is correct Alderman Graf but there was a recommendation made I believe by Alderman Ballman to refer that to finance instead of the Mayor's International Committee. Thank you. Thank you. 581 will be referred to public protection and safety. 582 special committee on risk management. 583 redevelopment authority. Other matters? 584 is the report of officer by city clerk submitting communications with Richard Meyer, manager of Harbor Center Fib regarding concern with the water feature next to the library. Then we'll go to finance. 590 submitting an amended summons and complaint in the matter of Bank of America versus Robert Riegelot and Ann Riegelot and the city of Shboygan at all. That will be referred to risk management. 586 is a resolution authorizing the appropriate city officials to pay the required environmental fees enforced by the Wisconsin DNR for the wastewater treatment plant. That will be referred to public works. 587 is a resolution to establish a joint planning process for shared law enforcement services. It will be referred to city county shared service committee. 588 is an RO by the city clerk submitting the final plat of green meadows located in the town of Shboygan on behalf of the owner's green meadows real estate LLC. That will be referred to city plan commission. 589 is a resolution approving the final plat of green meadows subdivision. That will be referred to city plan commission also. 590 is an RO submitting a communication from Dale Dorr wastewater treatment plant superintendent regarding the methane gas to energy cogeneration project. That will go to public works. 591 is a resolution to authorize entering into agreement with Alliance Energy for the installation of the micro turbine cogeneration facility and unison solutions for the installation of the heat recovery system for the micro turbine cogeneration facility. That will be referred to public works. 592 is an RO submitting a communication from Michael Warner stating that each mayor has left the mark of their administration on Shboygan and a mayor's legacy is marked by what they accomplish for the current and future needs of the city. That will be referred to committee of the whole. Motion second to adjourn. All those in favor state aye. We stand adjourned.