What's up internet? One of the easiest ways to lower the temperatures of your CPU is to use a quality thermal paste. In problema, it's kind of hard to figure out which thermal paste to use because there are so many of them on the market tapos iba iba pa yung presyo nila.  And so for this video, we're gonna be doing a roundup of six different thermal pastes from different manufacturers at different price points and we'll see if the more expensive one is better or if you can get away with using a more value-oriented thermal paste. For this roundup, we have the Cooler Master Master Gel Pro, Deep Cool Z3, everyone's favorite Noctua NTH1, the Noctua NTH2, Arctic MX2, and Arctic MX4. The Arctic thermal pastes were provided by Arctic but everything else was taken from our shop inventory. So of course, before I tell you who won, bibitin muna kita with a word from our sponsor. Whether your PC is brand new or an old war machine, siguro malapit siya sa puso mo. But no matter how careful you are, sometimes accidents happen. Or sometimes it's not your fault, naka lindol, bahak, tumutulo yung condo unit sa taas ng unit mo. Wala kang controls mga bagay na yan but they can damage your devices.  Utena lang, it's easy to have peace of mind for your devices with ProTech Computer Insurance from Coco Gen.  The insurance covers a wide series of unfortunate events. From fire and lightning to accidental damage to theft, typhoon, and flood damage, broad water damage, the list goes on. And the cost is very reasonable, as low as 1,000 pesos for a desktop and 1,500 for a laptop and that's for a whole year already. You can apply for ProTech Computer Insurance at any Coco Gen branch or inquire via the phone or email details in the video description. Time for the results? Not yet. Because how we got the results is just as important as the results themselves. So here's a brief rundown of our test setup. For the case, we used a Macube 110 with three intake fans and one exhaust fan. For the CPU, we went with a Ryzen 3 3100 which is a very decent CPU. It's definitely not a gaming CPU but it's more realistic what you would find in an office environment or in the rig of a more average consumer. We also kept the stock cooler. We didn't use any third-party cooler. Again, because we wanted to try for a more realistic setup not the more high-end builds that some of the enthusiasts are used to. The motherboard was a Gigabyte B550M DS3H AC and the software used to stress test the CPU was RealBench from ASUS. RealBench does a good job of simulating real-world operating conditions instead of more synthetic or artificial benchmarks which do stress out the CPU but they don't accurately reflect computations or operations which would normally arrive in real-world day-to-day settings. For all of our testing, the CPU fan speed was set at 100% and we took two measurements for each thermal paste. One was at a base speed of 3.6 GHz after running on 100% load for 30 minutes. And the other one was at an overclock. We managed to get a stable overclock at 4.2 GHz which is around a 20% increase. So we ran that also for 30 minutes at 100% CPU load and then we took the temperatures. Di ralaw na dada but you guys just want to know the results so here they are. At the base speed of 3.6 GHz actually the results were shockingly close. In fact, there really was no difference between any of the thermal pastes. The upper down of 1 degree was a negligible difference. These are the max temps reached by each thermal paste and yes, while the Nokia NTH1 did edge out everyone, again, it's a very small difference. So what we're seeing here is that all of the thermal pastes we tried out can handle the thermal output of an R33100 operating at normal speed. Yes, we did have it at 100% for 30 minutes which is a bit uncommon but even then all of the thermal pastes even the cheapest CM MasterGel Pro could handle the temperature. Things get more interesting when we do the overclock and here we can clearly see the Arctic MX-4 edging out the competition. Its max temp only reached 87 degrees which is a little toasty but cooler than everybody else and really not a bad performance. Considering that we're achieving around a 20% increase from the CPU. To be honest, I'm kind of disappointed in the NTH2. I don't know what happened here why its performance is not as good as I expected it to be and disappointingly benchmarked against some of its other peers. So the da pa rinaw ng da-da, you know, it's like testing setup, methodology, numbers, numbers. If you just want to know who won or again bottom line what should you buy? The Deco Z3 is an excellent budget thermal paste. If you want to splurge a little bit then everyone's favorite Noctua NTH1 is, you know, the middle man. He really does well in all aspects. The price is quite good too especially if you get it from us. And finally, if you want to go for performance the Arctic MX-4 beat out all of the other contenders. But really if you have a mid-range CPU and you're not going to overclock then you can get any thermal paste. Again, the cheapest one we had in the roundup is the Cooler Master Master Gel Pro. And even that one managed to keep temperatures within the range of everyone else for testing on normal load. So, you know, if you're not going to do anything nuts with your CPU and, you know, it's a very mid-range CPU then any thermal paste from this roundup will serve you well. So this is the first time we've done this kind of thing a very in-depth testing of multiple brands and, you know, we had to keep redoing the test setup every time we changed the thermal paste. So this is my roundabout way of saying if you have any suggestions on how we can improve the setup then please do let us know in the comments so that we can incorporate them into future roundups and well as just get better in general in comparing contrasting hardware and things to look out for while testing. But I hope you found this roundup useful and thanks for watching. Thanks for watching, internet and special thanks to our top fans Christian Espinosa, John Ruben Ocha, ITX addict Ian Meru, Richard Ongkinko, Leah Magnaya and Dom H. Maraming, maraming salamat po.


Wow like honestly. Oh my god.  Anyways. Hi friends. My name is What's my name? I'm getting really creative with these names Freddy Fazbear today because Turns out tricky Jesus bankrupt if you follow my Twitter, you know that I'm not afraid to be vocal about Everything that can be considered a bad thing and I think two weeks ago I tweeted something like my dad and I just got a three-hour argument about black lives matter And then I tweeted I managed to convince him that black lives matter after we argued and I asked you guys Would you want a video about?   They'll be in the description Also, there's gonna be some other resources where you can donate sign petitions If you can't donate if you literally have no money There are videos you can watch where the adsense goes to that and try to add links in the comments If you want like as always Spread information also I am no stranger to debating with my dad because I had a debate with him for four years straight on accepting Me being gay, I use straight and gay in the same sentence that doesn't happen often and that started when I was 13 So I've learned a little bit on how to talk to my dad. He's also from China. He's an immigrant So there's a little bit of context for you. Also, this is not gonna work for your parent 100% It's not gonna work for your friend 100% Okay, every situation is unique because everyone comes from different places and different beliefs And that's the most important thing to learn when debating in my opinion And I'm not trying to be like I know everything about black lives matter that that not it don't twist my words I'm just trying to share with you an experience that I had that's all take this as a story time or a learning Thing so this is all in my notes. Unfortunately didn't record myself talking I don't know why didn't come to my mind this whole debate started when I was asking him Can I go back to New York in the fall semester and he was like, I don't know You have to be careful careful about what COVID you think I'm gonna die still No, you need to be careful about the protests and I was like, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, what? What about the protests? I don't have to be careful about he's like the riots and I said I Don't think that I'm gonna. I think I'm gonna be fine guys I'm gonna say he said a lot by the way my dad said wait Do you like the protest? Do you like the riots? You know what?  This is when my dad's talking. I'm gonna sweat a lot doing this by the way Yeah, I support the protests and the riots. Why do do you not know? Listen, I support the protests I don't support the riots and it was at this point where I was like, okay, here we go. Let's Let's do this. I'll do it again with you, dad Would you care to explain to me why you don't support the riots, but you support the protests? By the way, the stuff I'm gonna say is my opinion. Let me have it. I'm just very anti-violence I don't believe violence is the answer for this or almost anything Okay, I see where you're coming from. This is good I can work with this and here are some things that I had to teach myself when debating because I used to not do this The first episode know where the person you're arguing with is coming from in their mind even if it's wrong So my dad doesn't really isn't fond of black people. Why? Because in China there's a lot of anti-blackness. There's not a lot of black people in China It's mainly Asian people if you didn't notice and typically as humans We stay away from or we don't like things that we don't know or understand So when my dad immigrated here, that was his first time even seeing black people and white people Like it wasn't something common in his area. I'm not trying to excuse him here. Trust me I'm just trying to tell you that you have to understand That's the part you have to work with and I've also known that he wasn't really fond of black people because of the way He talks about them like in middle school He used to say this word that I can tell was not a good word I just didn't feel like debating my dad in middle school You know, I was like, I'll wait until the time comes and if you don't bother trying to think about where they come from You're not gonna find a middle ground because before when I debated him about me being gay I was always like, I'm right. You're wrong.  Let me talk all this. I wouldn't even let him speak I wouldn't care to listen to him and it's hard to do. Trust me I hate having to do it But you have to listen to them and their words even if it's Really bad words and this gets worse remember Because we're not black and we're not actively participating in these protester rights right now You don't really get to speak for them and have an opinion and neither can I well, why are they rioting then? That's just gonna paint them in a bad light. No racist is gonna look at them on the news and say I'm gonna support black people now even when they're rating stores It's not just black people rating stores The news outlets are very biased sometimes and not sometimes they show what they want to show There's a lot of different people rioting rioters are different from protesters looters are different from rioters are different from protesters Kimberly Latrice Jones, she put it best. I'm gonna let you watch that video. I'm not gonna speak I'm not gonna take her words, but I really suggest you watch her video. She explains it better than I ever could So at this point, it was a bunch of back and forth of you don't get to talk about these riots that well I don't like the violence, but how does it affect you? Are you directly being affected by this? No, but I just used to support black lives matter and now I don't so what do you support now all lives matter? Yes, I know a lecture chair. I know maybe you won't like that word. I didn't like it I felt some way when he said it and I was like Okay, dad, you can't say that you have to understand black lives matter doesn't mean your life doesn't it means black lives matter Just as much as others You didn't get that at first I think a lot of people don't get that at first and they still won't just dislike the video I can you go ahead at this point I think I think we've been debating about 30 minutes and it was still about the riots And then I realized that this isn't just about the rise. This is rooted in him Because of where he came from dad. Do you understand why they're even protesting and rioting in the first place? Yes, yes, I know the history of America I don't think you do because even I don't and I had to go through the education system in America And it's faulty so I doubt that you do also at this point I found out he had a Twitter very proud of him for getting a Twitter of all things and then I saw these only following Traditional news channels like Fox News and then Trump mind you he doesn't like Trump anymore But he just wants to know what the guy thinks dad You realize that your Twitter is not showing you the reality of what these protests and rights are because you're not looking at Local people, you know people who aren't on a platform and they're just showing a video for the sake of it If you don't know what I mean I'm talking about the ones where people are actively at the protest and I'm just filming that part and they happen to go viral Not what Fox tweets out not what Trump tweets out Don't don't look at that politician right now. That doesn't matter The point is I don't understand why we still have to fight for this Well, let me tell you a little bit about what happened 400 years ago in America. I'm gonna tell you I'm not fully educated yet because I still have a lot to learn because America's education Isn't the best when you live in the south the TLDR that I told them is the history of America is Stealing because all we did was take black people from Africa to here make them work in the north and the south We were so selfish that we had a civil war The states are so selfish still that we have our own state laws even though we're called the United States and even after the Civil Rights Act Martin Luther King Rosa Parks these Movements and activists. They're still not equal opportunity for black people. It doesn't click right away You know, it there's no way it would because Think about this. What would you do if I told you you should be homophobic like would you honestly switch that fast?  I know but it's important to talk to your family about this and there's some gaps in my notes But at some point my dad said black people were lazy. Yeah, I know that's how you feel but just can we talk about it? Why do you feel that way? Well, they could have stayed in Africa They didn't have to come here and I think it only gets the fact that they didn't have a choice They weren't forced to come here. They could have tried to blank four years ago They just could have tried to escape and then I had just remind him black people if anything are the opposite of lazy They are proactively trying to get their equal freedom and rights even back then like even back then there were people who tried to Escape their slave owners. There are people who fought for slavery to be abolished You had Martin Luther King. You had Rosa Parks. You have people actively trying But what happens in the end you either got assassinated sent to jail and just Constantly prevented from continuing your movement and you're having your voice like even what happened at Stonewall Like they were still arrested after they didn't want no one wanted them to continue the movement So maybe that's why you think they're lazy because you don't bother seeing that they've tried and are still trying and nothing is working So I just had to tell him let's watch a documentary. Let's watch the 13th on Netflix Can't can you do that for me because I think in the first 30 minutes you learn enough to be able to like Understand what the whole rest of the documentary is gonna be about this was at midnight at this point So I didn't want him to watch the whole documentary because he would have fallen asleep And I said will you go into this with an open mind? Will you allow them to speak and not trying to rebuttal every second because I had a feeling that he would try to Combat at this documentary since it does show mainly black people speaking. This is foreshadowing by the way. Okay, fine Let's watch the documentary. Yes, I'll listen. Of course. I'll listen I I always want to see both sides before I form my opinion.  We watch it in 10 minutes. He's like, I don't think this is the right No, there's only black people on the screen.  Oh, you can't compare the two I think I can because I think you're trying to defend the other side instead of the person who was marginalized and discriminated against Yeah, I'd probably listen to the Jewish person Yes, you should which is why you need to listen to these people speaking on the screen because there is no Asian who would talk about this dad I mean, you know what I mean Also, he didn't know that the protesters were being tear-gassed He thought that the protesters started the riots and that's why he didn't support the movement because his Twitter feed never showed The parts of them being gas what news channel would show that Tell me one. No, I don't believe they're being tear gas. I refuse to believe that So I showed him a clip then I showed them another because I had these saved on my phone I showed them like five different clips of them being gased Another five different clips of people saying don't shoot then the rubber bullets start shooting ones of people at Philly Because we live near that of like my friends just like doing this, you know Letting down saying don't shoot and it starts peaceful and then the police start to make it violent You know how he said violence is never the answer I used it against him because sometimes you need to use people's words against them that helps them click So I said you told me violence is never the answer The police are being violent dad.  I'm a bad actor. Oh my god Yeah, this isn't right. I didn't know this was happening So finally desserts are understand after after that of all things dad This is why the riots happened in the first place Because you keep telling me that violence isn't the answer and that it shouldn't but there's no other option because they've tried Protesting they've tried speaking out about it. They tried being active back then They tried to fight for their freedom They've tried for so many years and nothing still works and even after being peaceful it didn't work So the next step is just to there's no other step and they're angry and told my dad like How do you think the protests end? Do you think at some point at 6 p.m? Every protestors like we've done this for two hours. Let's go home. No, they usually end because Someone ends it for them. You didn't think about that part So then he understood and then I told him like, you know that Like basically black people had to build this country and even when they were given freedom They tried to build their own communities and those were taken down as Kimberly Jones said in Tulsa and in Rosewood then he said like oh This is so similar to what's happening in China and Hong Kong and he said that around ten times And I'm still not educated about that But I I think he supports the protests there So I just didn't understand why he didn't support him here Then I realized it was because he doesn't like black people that much Because then he decided to say this and when we talked about the crime rate because he was saying like well Black people typically have a higher crime rate and I said, why do you think that? Do you know where it comes from which the 13th did inform? This was prior to watching it I just remembered he said what would you do if a black person came here right now at midnight In a white or a white person came here at midnight and knocked on our door I knew what he was trying to get me to say and I just told him I would I wouldn't like anyone at my door at this time I wouldn't no one should be here at this time because we're fighting about nothing at 1 a.m Dead and he said oh, I would be more scared if it was a black person I was like, yep. Well, why do you think that and I just had to get like I just had to tell him like he doesn't like black people as much as Asian people and white people because he wasn't surrounded by them and he's just Wired to instantly not like them or think of the stereotypes and profile them Which is what happens the whole that's why this shit isn't right because you keep people keep profiling I'm getting a little angsty Like he told me Well, why do you think like George Floyd happened because they profiled and I was like, well, that's why it's a problem Because you profile him you can't do that dad that they do that to us too Like why don't you get it and he keeps saying like but I don't think America is this bad I don't I didn't know the police were this bad. I I haven't seen racism that much. I I don't I wasn't I don't see it. He doesn't see it apparently. So I said dad. Do you know what happened to me in South Korea? Like, do you know My childhood and my middle school and high school. No But did you know that South Carolina has a lot of black people there like 27%? Yeah, I wonder I wonder why dad In charleston. Did you know that in eighth grade? I was taught that the civil war wasn't really about slavery It was more about separation of state. That's what my teacher told me. Was he white?   No, they wouldn't well Did you experience racism? Uh, do you know where that midget asian came from dad? If you don't know that used to be my username. No, I don't know Well, since third grade people called me dad because I was short and I was the shortest person in the school And I was one of the only Asians there and they would mock me. They would still do this They would do this they would do this.   They would be like, oh my god. Asians are so smart Well, she's like don't do don't do that. Oh my god. That's a whole other topic, but Yeah, I experienced it since elementary school dad. You never knew Because you never listened to me. Well, what about in high school? Like how many black people in your grade? I remember three In my grade out of a hundred people and I always thought that was weird in high school because I couldn't I only saw three Really, there were only three But the population is what yeah, what what you said dad the population is 27 black So why are the three people in this school dad? So that was another case of me taking his own facts and using it against him and I told him Dad, how you really think there's no racism. Do you have any black friends? You didn't say any do you have any black co-workers when you were in charleston? I had some name them He got like four workers and there were people a lot of people at his firm So dad when you say you don't see racism Have you ever thought about the fact that maybe it's because you are racist and you think everyone's actions Are just okay. Did I lie? Did I lie? You know my co-workers back inside krillinna did talk about black people in a negative tone I know because I was there when you took me to work one day and At this point He just didn't want to talk anymore because I think he got like when I told him that he was racist I think that was like him. Oh Shoot that's probably what he thought so we ended the documentary He went back to sleep and I was like, did you learn something today? And you're just like He didn't want to acknowledge that he was wrong or something. You know how dads are Uh, maybe you don't I don't know and then after that I told him like follow me on twitter I'm going to DM you links every day about what I see on my feed versus you And I'm going to show you things that I think could educate you more So I've been DMing him. I think he I asked him are you reading them and he is when he went to sleep I also followed some people that I think he should follow on twitter. So I follow people like aoc New york times just accounts that helped me Learn to when I'm looking at stuff and sure maybe if you're against black lives matter and you are still watching Why you're gonna say well that yeah, that's just you showing your bias. Yeah, that is my bias We're only pushing the new york times and those types of people and articles But I believe I'm on the right side of history for supporting this. Of course. I'm going to show my bias right now Why else do you think I'm making the video dude? And yeah, that's that's it. Um We haven't talked about it since but I do want you guys to know to like not attack my dad Because he was embarrassed when he saw when he read my tweet after I followed him He said like, why would you tweet this? I was like, do you think I just don't tweet anything When we argue even back then like I've talked about this on my channel many times He's just like don't that's embarrassing to me about my beliefs and I was like, yeah good You should be embarrassed about your beliefs change them and I am glad he's changed them even about being gay and like Even this stuff. So just know that I'm very proud of him. I'm not trying to shame him I don't guys don't shame him. I think that everyone has the ability to change It just depends on if they can find someone who can Speak to them and get them to understand without causing chaos and arguments also change takes time and know that like I've It took me four years For the gay thing took me three hours for this one. So it will take you a long time To do this with your family if you choose to but the most important thing is don't give up constantly do it try to not blow up Is the best thing I can tell you if you can keep your inside voices It's easier. That's all I have Hopefully this helps someone as always black lives still matter. Don't make it a trend.  So if you don't like it Leave and educate yourself And that's all I have if you enjoyed this video give a like leave a comment down below Subscribe for more videos every week turn on my notifications. So you don't miss them And as always I love you guys. Everything is less than three. I am ready to use it I'm I will I will be here for you. Okay Bye


The corporate takeover of American politics started with a man and a memo you probably never heard of. In 1971, the U.S. Chamber of Commerce asked Lewis Powell, a corporate attorney, who'd go on to become a Supreme Court Justice to draft a memo on the state of the country. Powell's memo argued that the American economic system was under broad attack from consumer, labor and environmental groups. In reality, these groups were doing nothing more than enforcing the implicit social contract that had emerged at the end of the Second World War. They wanted to ensure corporations were responsive to all their stakeholders, workers, consumers and the environment, not just their shareholders. Powell and the Chamber saw it differently. In his memo, Powell urged businesses to mobilize for political combat and stressed that the critical ingredients for success were joint organizing and funding. The Chamber distributed the memo to leading CEOs in large businesses and trade associations hoping to persuade them that big business could dominate American politics in ways not seen since the Gilded Age. And it worked. The Chamber's call for a business crusade birthed a new corporate political industry practically overnight. Tens of thousands of corporate lobbyists and political operatives descended on Washington and state capitals across the country. I should know. I saw it happen with my own eyes. I worked at the Federal Trade Commission. Jimmy Carter had appointed consumer advocates to battle big corporations that for years have been diluting or injuring consumers. Yet almost everything we initiated at the FTC was met by unexpectedly fierce political resistance from Congress. At one point, when we began examining advertising directed at children, Congress stopped funding the agency altogether. I was dumbfounded. What had happened? In three words, the Powell memo. Lobbyists and their allies in Congress and eventually the Reagan administration worked to defang agencies like the FTC and to staff them with officials who would overlook corporate misbehavior. Their influence led the FTC to stop seriously enforcing antitrust laws, among other things, allowing massive corporations to merge and concentrate their power even further. Washington was transformed from a sleepy government town into a glittering center of corporate America, replete with elegant office buildings, fancy restaurants, and five-star hotels. Meanwhile, Justice Lewis Powell used the court to chip away at restrictions on corporate power in politics. His opinions in the 1970s and 80s laid the foundation for corporations to claim free speech rights in the form of financial contributions to political campaigns. Put it another way, without Lewis Powell, there probably be no citizens united. The case that threw out limits on corporate campaign spending as a violation of the free speech of corporations. These actions have transformed our political system. Corporate money supports platoons of lawyers, often outgunning any state or federal attorneys who dares add in their way. Lobby has become a $3.7 billion industry. Corporations regularly outspend labor unions and public interest groups during election years, and too many politicians in Washington represent the interests of corporations, not their constituents. As a result, corporate taxes have been cut, loopholes widened, and regulations gutted. Corporate consolidation has also given companies unprecedented market power, allowing them to raise prices on everything from baby formula to gasoline. Their profits have jumped into the stratosphere, the highest in 70 years. But despite the success of the Powell memo, big business has not yet won. The people are beginning to fight back. First, antitrust is making a comeback. Both at the Federal Trade Commission and the Justice Department, we're seeing a new willingness to take on corporate power.  Across the country, workers are unionizing at a faster rate than we've seen in decades, including at some of the biggest corporations in the world, and they're winning. Third, campaign finance reform is within reach. Millions of Americans are intent on limiting corporate money and politics, and politicians are starting to listen. All of these tell me that now is our best opportunity in decades to take on corporate power at the ballot box, in the workplace, and in Washington. Let's get it done.


We now have four views of the future and the way forward for Mumbai, beginning with Cyrus Kuzhuda, the chairman and manager of the AFL group. Ladies and gentlemen, I have ten minutes, so I better get cracking. The authors of these two quotations are separated by three centuries. But each of them contains something of the spirit that underlies our great city. And those is somewhat more philosophical. She talks about how the city draws in people, but once in its embrace they could be devoured and become casualties. Jonathan Swift also plays on success and failure, but he's a bit harsher in his attitude of man's behavior towards man. He sees energy and creativity, but he also sees crassness and self-seeking. Well, I've been asked as a businessman, but more a concerned citizen, to give my views on a great variety of things. What works, what doesn't work, a vision for Bombay, ten years, twenty years, what would I do if I became the planner? So you'll have to forgive me if my remarks seem rather superficial, and I'd be happy to engage in all the arithmetic once the debate begins. So let's look at what's great about Bombay. We know most of this. We know that scale helps, and we have great scale here. The city is wealthy and can be tapped. It has a large workforce which makes it easy for people to set up business across a whole range of skills. The geographic location of India by the sea is an asset. Five out of the six cities of China that give China one-fifth of its GDP are coastal cities, and sixty percent of Americans live within fifty kilometers of the coast. Bombay is the most cosmopolitan of all cities. It's easier to find work. Cast barriers are minimized. It's a lively place. Telecom, infrastructure, availability of power, rail, bus, all of these work better than in most other Indian cities. We lead the country in so many things, services, entertainment, jewelry, export shipping, banking. So we're a great city. In fact, economists might even say, because we're a rather unproductive city, there's a lot of upside as we improve our productivity. So why do we need to have this debate? But as Charles Currier famously said, Bombay is a great city, but a terrible place. So what's terrible about Bombay? First of all, barring a small elite class, and we must remember that any of us who goes to work in a car, and we don't spend more than forty-five minutes commuting to work, we are only five percent of the population of Bombay. So I'm going to take a look at this from the point of view of the ninety-five percent, and as a businessman I'm entitled to do that because we employ people, and they comprise the ninety-five percent. Well, decent housing is unaffordable. That's sixty thousand hutmans at Bombay Airport, with almost a third of a million people living effectively outside the country because they're frankly within the airport's bonded area. Commuting time and discomfort are close to intolerable, and we know that the transport system is severely stressed. This to quality schools in the neighborhood is almost impossible. So children also have to commute long distances. Open spaces and playgrounds for children to play and for adults to walk in are vanishing. Against an international norm of four acres per thousand, we have less than 0.03. This is the official statistic, which by the way includes restricted lands in private clubs like the Willingdon Club, traffic islands, fountains and other such things. Some resettlement programs benefit only a small fraction of slum dwellers. We need to talk about the slum redevelopment authority later on, which has created a great moral hazard and is greatly distorting expectations of the poor in the city. Piped water and sanitation, as we know, reaches only a small minority of homes and supply exists for only a couple of hours a day. Here is a main water line that comes from the lakes in the mainland to the city in the south, which shantytowns built all around, but none of these have water connections. Tap water throughout the city, as we know, is not fit to drink, and municipal services are not provided equally, efficiently or free of corruption to all. So by the above simple standards, affordable housing, proximity to work, availability of clean drinking water, minimal open spaces, supportive friendly delivery of civic services, the quality of life in the city is poor and is getting worse by the day. So why is there such a comprehensive failure? I think there's been an abdication by government on three fronts. Urban planning has been effectively dismantled. The presence of the slum dwellers in the city, they're not necessarily poor, but they have substantial family incomes, but we didn't deliver land, housing, finance or title to them.  And city governance, apart from the provision of basic services, has all but collapsed. We can ask three questions to test these propositions. The first is who runs the city? The second is who plans comprehensively for the city's future? And the third is how did half the city's residents or more come to live in non-legal housing in rooms averaging 10 by 20 with our direct access to water and sanitation? Let's take the question of who runs the city. Earlier on we saw a slide of how London government, New York government and others are structured. You would have expected that we had elected cooperators and a mayor who pass a budget and they have a municipal commissioner to support them. But in actual fact, the city is not run by the elected representatives of the city. The municipal commissioner, who can veto anything the corporation does with his budget, is appointed by the Ministry of Urban Development, who, as you know, is chosen by the chief minister, who is often the minister of development himself. The chief minister is not elected from Bombay. He and the Ministry of Urban Development wield the authority to take policy and planning decisions that gravely impact the future of the city, but they are not accountable to its citizens. Ergo, I think its citizens have a right to expect that the people who plan their future are answerable to those who elect them. No wonder Sheila Dixit said, we need city states. I think this was a question of reflecting on the need for political reform. Let's turn to planning, who plans comprehensively. Now I think the starting point for the collapse of planning was the last development plan, which was dead in the water before it even came to print, because the population estimates, budgets and immunity estimates were so woefully underplanned and therefore under-budgeted. And consequently, everyone was overwhelmed by the actual population increases. Yet, yet in the last decade, the government has practised what we in NGOs refer to as salami planning. They have taken slices of the plan away by gradually introducing notifications of one kind or the other, which have actually devastated and undermined the overall planning of the city. Open spaces have been dereserved in large swathes. We talked about the SRA scheme for a moment. We've had a 37-fold increase in cars with the road network less than doubled. And the FSI, in the suburbs, amenities were planned for FSI 1. Now we have FSI 2. So amenities will serve only half the population they were designed to serve. SEST building regulations are licensed to destroy two-thirds of all the buildings that were brought under the heritage list. A large part of open spaces in Perel has been dereserved. So we need to see, when Perel is finally developed, what would be the deficiency of open spaces. And building approvals are given without reference to the traffic that has to access them or what to supply. And the crowning achievement is Dharavi. And we won't go into this now, but if you just see the last line, it says that from the plans that have been put into the public domain, Dharavi would be more congested than any locality in Bombay. In Seaward, we have 115,000 people per square kilometre. We saw earlier that Shanghai had about 5,000 in its densest localities. And so when Dharavi is finally built to this plan, because the figures don't add up, either it'll have no open spaces, roads or amenities, or there will be in fact no commercial development or maybe 100,000 people in the plan will not actually be rehoused. So it's also a question of governance. And I'd just like to suggest that if you have good governance, you can maximize the city's potential. But if you had bad governance, it diminishes expectations, accomplishments, and leads to hunger, injury, even death. We heard about rioting from Mr. Pasricha just now. So governance in my opinion comprises at least seven things, security, the rule of law, the right to participate in public processes, healthcare, school and educational instruction, the arteries of commerce, banking, transport, communications, drinking, water, air and open spaces. So we're going to do just a simple scoring of Bombay on say a scale of one to ten. If we excluded security, which is on the whole fairly good, and some of the arteries of commerce, I'd say we'd barely score three to three and a half percent on a score of ten. And so we need a governance scorecard also to be set up by citizens, which will rate the delivery of services, shame local bodies into superior performance, and hopefully embolden civil society to push for more reform. Well, Mumbai, ten years on. Briefly, all I can say about planning is that I think the 20-year strategic plan suffers from two basic infirmities. No expert or group of experts can reliably foresee what a city is going to be like 20 years from now. And the traditional land use plan with its accompanying development control rules and zoning regulations is too rigid a mechanism with which to plan the city long term. And so we need to move away from the rigid 20-year plan to a set of processes which allow you, first of all, to set up some basic principles, which I'll finally close with, but also to work out objectives on what you want the city to be, what jobs do you see, where will they grow, how will you house people in relation to those jobs, build transport systems and so on. And when you frame those broad objectives, you need a long time-consuming, difficult process of consultation with the people who live in the city. So let me close by referring to the ten guiding principles that I feel. If we asked ourselves these questions, and these ten are not mutually contradictory, and any planning objective that we now set for ourselves should meet one or all of these ten. And if they don't, that objective should be scrapped. We would agree that we should make Mumbai an attractive place to live in and work in for all its citizens. If it sees us to be attractive, citizens leave the city. We want to encourage job locations in the city that are consistent with minimizing infrastructure costs, maximizing the quality of life. We know on the whole from an old ratio that one job in Bombay brings in at least 14, if not 20 people, together with it. And we have to decide, when we create jobs, how many services people are going to come to follow, and we accordingly plan transportation and housing to go with that. We have to provide municipal services to all income groups in the city, and the public interest can only be secured by listening to a plurality of voices. We should also encourage the development of rental housing to facilitate whole ownership for the poor. Today, no low income group person can get a housing loan because there is no mechanism to recover property in the event of a default. We need to reform the law to recover property for every one poor, tragic case where property is recovered, 99 people might well get a loan for a house they couldn't afford. We must encourage the preservation of the character of the city. Indeed, we must enhance it. We have a location by the sea. We should be thinking about planning for climatic change, but also for enhancing the quality of our built fabric. Public transport must have priority over private transport. There's a wonderful anecdote from Philip Rod in the papers this morning, which says that the 800-crore scheme, which will no doubt be a 1200-crore bridge from Worley to Bandra, built essentially for fast-moving traffic and private cars. Remember, 5% of the commuting population will carry as much traffic over that bridge in one hour as just two trains that enter and leave Churchgate Station in five minutes. And so we need to think about whether we should not be allocating finances to transport in relationship to the people who use them. We need to expand green spaces. There should be no free housing for anyone. We'll have to debate this later on. It creates a moral hazard. The poor can afford to build their homes. They need land and finance to be delivered. And the government's policies towards land ownership should give priority to the public interest. When the government's land is involved, they should not look at that land as if they were a private owner, but they should look at it from the point of view of the welfare of the city. And finally, the previous speaker made a mention of the Eastern Doc Lands. I hope we'll have a chance to talk about this. It's the last available opportunity in the island city to do a major intervention that brings back public spaces and has a chance for us to integrally plan jobs, houses, transport, and open spaces. So let me close by saying, if we want to plan for a new vision of the city, we need reform on three fronts, as I've discussed, political, governance, and planning. As Rakesh Mohan never tires of telling us, if you think we've seen spectacular urbanization in the last 50 years, you ain't seen nothing yet. And so actually, we need to talk not only about projects and outcomes, but about institutions and reform.


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Hey friends, welcome to behind the scene Divine Intimacy Radio to Dan and Jordan Burke, not Stephanie today, because we're going to be talking about something Jordan has some expertise in that people are interested in knowing about, the Enneagram. So hang out and do that with us. There's a couple of things I want to tell you about before we jump into the show. Oh, and the show title I think is Demons in the Enneagram. So we have a Divine Intimacy and Marriage Retreat coming up February 2023 at the Shrine of the Most Blessed Sacrament, amazing place of life changing retreat. The Avalos Summit coming in 2024, I think it's called the Triumph of the Immaculate Heart, the Marian Mystery and the Triumph of the Immaculate Heart, that's going to be awesome. And then the last thing I want to tell you about is pilgrimage to the Holy Land. We have filled up for 2023, but we already have six people signed up for our pilgrimage to the Holy Land in 2024, and that is going to be a life changing experience. So go out to spiritualdirection.com forward slash events to learn more. Okay. Ready to roll when your mark set go. This is Dan and Jordan Burke. Welcome to Divine Intimacy Radio, your radio haven of rest. He has no idea what to say now because Stephanie usually says the hermitage of the heart and I say monastery of the mind where we left our hearts and minds to heaven to draw ourselves to the wisdom of the saints, the teachings of the church. And in this case today, we're going to be talking about the wisdom of the church and sort of in the sense of keeping us from error and harmful things and that sort of thing. So Jordan is, of course, my son, he normally produces the show. We have our trusty Chase Stevens chasing it down on the other side today is backing up for Jordan. So he could be on the show. We have we have a, what do you call it? First class relic. First class relic of Saint Gemma, Saint Gemma. She's prayed for us, watching over us, watching over us on this show. And talking about things that relate to spiritual warfare. And you recently were interviewed about this on what show was that? It's a parenting podcast by Dr. Mary Ruth Hackett, I believe is who it was. And I wish I could remember the name of her podcast, but I well, folks can look it up. Mary Ruth Hackett, H-A-C-K-E-T-T. I mean, I believe so. Yeah. Great. And why did she have you on the show? What was it? What was what was her interest? Inneagram for whatever reason is, I think it's kind of has a cyclical nature within the background of our within the background of everything that goes on, but it's kind of reemerging. Yeah. And that has been since, I guess, the 60s, but it's really kind of coming to a head in the younger, like my generation in younger. Yeah. And so she wanted to warn parents about the dangers of it. She was coming. The show was great. It's worth listening to. She was coming from her expertise in psychology and explaining, hey, listen, there's absolutely zero psychological backing to this. So she's a PhD in psych or psychology or psychiatry? I couldn't say for sure. Yeah. But either one of those. She's an expert in the area. Yeah. Right. And so she was concerned with what she's seen out there and of course, from her standpoint, it's a problematic. Right. Right. So what is the Inneagram? What's the best thing we're talking about? Well, so the Inneagram, if you search it, it's going to pop up with something like a personality test. Yeah. People generally think it's a personality test. Pops up next to like the disc assessment. It pops up next to all these other popular, what's the other one that generally pops up next to you? Myers-Briggs. Myers-Briggs. Yeah. Things of that nature. But the issue is that it's not a personality assessment. And then when you start diving into the history, you start to see where it originated from, what purpose it originated for from the guys who made it themselves, from their own writing and from their own mouse. It is, it has a demonic nature, demonic backing from the very beginning. And that's why we were, we're, you know, I've been hammering it for a while, but more people are kind of picking up the call as well as they should. Yeah. Saying, hey, you guys need to stay away from this. So that's a big, bold claim. How do you prove your claim that it has demonic origin? Thankfully, I don't have to. They, I'm literally just repeating what they said. So if you look at, so the architects of the Underground is about to get into the architects. You basically have three guys. You have George Krojev, difficult to pronounce last name, Oscar Chazzo, and then Claudio Naranjo, who was a student of Oscar Chazzo. But it was primarily these two guys. What's interesting is that there are people who make, try to make the claim that it originated even further back to a vagus apontus, which is not true. Right. It can't be proven anyway. Yeah.  And it's connected to Christian tradition. Right. Right. They do the same thing with Centering Prayer and try to say it connected to Teresa Vaval and John of the Cross and the Cloud of Unknowing. And if you know those writers, you know, those, those, those claims are completely bogus. Right. Right. Looking at the architects of, or who I call the architects of the Enneagram, you know, George kind of started it himself. I'll stick with the first names because it's easier. George started it. He, when he started this, he was involved with all sorts of different things from the Sufis, which is like a Muslim spin-off type. You know, I don't want to give full. Yeah. Mystical, mystical kind of, because I've heard Father Mitch Park would talk about this, it being rooted back in that. Right. And then a whole lot of other different things. And in fact, I'm glad you mentioned that because Father Mitch Pacqua is probably leading. He's probably the foremost expert I would, I would venture to guess from what I read on this topic. Yeah. Because he was trained in it and taught it and then realized the issues with it. Then he repented. And he hammers hammers. He went from bad Jesuit to good Jesuit. I don't know. I don't know if he did that. He, he hammers it and a lot of what, a lot of what I'm repeating can be found in his text. Although there are some things that I have found from there, from George's writings, from Oscar's writings and even video from Claudio. So, no, you said from Father's writings, we're on EWTN radio. Of course, we're live streaming. But now, but this will end up on EWTN radio. What book are you referencing? Because I'm sure it's an EWTN religious catalog. I don't think it's a book. It's an art. It's a very long article that he wrote. OK. I'd have to, I'd sitting on my desk. I think it's Catholics in the New Age. I think you'll find it in Catholics in the New Age. I'm pretty sure. But if you look up Father Mitch Pacqua and Enneagram, you're going to find what he wrote. And he has, like I said, he's probably the foremost expert on this topic right now. But let's go beyond that, right? Because you can find that, but you've done some research and found some pretty damning things that back up your claim that it's demonic in origin. Right. One, I think it's it's important to start by disassembling the false idea that it's a personality system because George, who brought it to light, who created it, never intended it to be used for. There wasn't there wasn't even any typing at the time.  So it's nine types. So any any is nine and then Graham is I forgot what points I believe is what it is. And so people will have, excuse me, they will have. Oh, I'm a I'm a type three with a wing for whatever it is, right? They're trying to associate with whatever the says it is. However, George never had those types. Those were developed later on. What he developed was he developed it for the use of essentially Gnosticism. His belief was that all of the answers, all of the mysteries of the universe, everything that you could ever want to know can be found within the Enneagram, which is Gnosticism, right? So when you say he never developed it, what you mean is he did develop the system to gain Gnostic wisdom, right, so-called wisdom, right. But then it was morphed into be used as a into as a person as a pseudo personality test. And the reason I bring that up is because when you when you tell people, hey, this isn't this wasn't made to be used as a personality test, it was made for something completely different. Their argument is generally, well, I've gained some knowledge from that. It's like, well, but that's not how it was made. It's like, I think I use the analogy of using cyanide for seasoning. It's like you can you can use it for seasoning. You're just not going to like the effects of what. Well, and you you might have a demon tell you the truth from Ouija board. Right. But the costs of that are pretty high. Right. Precisely. Precisely. So the and even Richard Roar had has fully admitted that the origin was never designed for personality testing. And that should be telling. And Father Richard Roar is a big purveyor of this. And he's a guy who's way off the rails in terms of being opposed to the Magisterium of the Church and the long standing teaching for the church. Right. His works are a poison. He hides it under spirituality, but it's poison stuff. But he's been advocating it for a long time and like and just to reiterate, even he says that, yes, this was never intended to be originally a personality test. OK, so we haven't got to the demon thing yet. Right. So now now we can get into that. So George, Oscar, Claudio, they all work together. Right. This is later on Oscar and Claudio kind of developed the typing. And you can even watch. There's even a video where Claudio admits to where he got the name. You know, all this kind of stuff, right? And what's interesting is they had even said that when they spent time with George, George really didn't spend a whole lot of time on the enneagram. It's something that they took and kind of morphed into their own uses. The problem with that is is that Oscar, George, Claudio, all of these guys were all involved in shamanism, all involved in spirit reading, all involved in spirit dancing, deeply demonic. And it just and the dangerous witchcraft junk. Right. Right. It just goes down the rails, talking to the dead, all these other different things. So basically, if I were to summarize it, if you want a personality test from hell, right, that Satanists would love you to use and witches would love you to use. Right. This is it.  No, it's way worse than that. So that's my point, though. Right, right. It's way worse than a fake personality test because when you use or pursue things, I mean, scripture calls call, it uses the phrase doctrines of demons, St. Paul and the New Testament. When you go and you try to seek wisdom from demons, you are in some sense subordinating yourself to them and opening yourself up to them, which is why it's so stinking dangerous times 10. Right. Right. But keep going. Tell us more about the work. So they're involved in all these different occult practices fully admitted to it. They're all about it. And one of them at one point, I don't remember who it was. I think it was actually George was was trying to be an Orthodox or wanted to be an Orthodox priest and basically just rejected all religion and sought to find truth elsewhere, which is what kind of brought about, you know, his dabbling and shamanism in witchcraft and all these other different things that have that have been condemned, expressly condemned by the church. So you know, so why do we say that? Because we you cannot have good fruit from a bad tree. Right. And they're involved in things that are mortally grave and sinful that are condemned by the church and creating this thing that there are many in the church that are trying to use. So you can't you just can't that that doesn't mesh. It doesn't work, right? So what's fascinating is and I have all of these links and resources on my website and the research library. What is that? So do the harder thing.com. Yeah. If you go to resources at the bottom of that page, there's a research library where I where I try to hold on to all these links, including videos so people can find it all easier. Great. But the video specifically that I want to talk about before we go to the break is Claudio, who admits twice color, color video that he used automatic writing in order to to to to define the the types, the personality types. And it's so no, we were we need to head into a break. And why don't we cut it there? When we come back from the break, I want you to talk about automatic writing, if I remember right, even John at Bank of it. Yeah, women of grace, women of grace has covered that pretty well. She's got some good stuff against the New Age movement as well out at women of grace. But when we get back from the break, what's the big deal? Automatic writing, who cares? Jordan's going to tell us and you're listening to Divine Intimacy Radio. We're talking about the demonic origins of the Enneagram and we'll be right back. So 12, 12, 15, do the exact same. Yeah, we can do the same. OK, and you're back to go. Welcome back to wait, stop, reset. Come on, now. How do I get rid of all that? OK, very good. Thanks. And you're back to go. Welcome back. This is Dan and Jordan Burke, Divine Intimacy Radio. Jordan's a special guest today, taking Stephanie's chair.  He is a great ministry, works for the Abba Foundation. He has he helps us with email, social media, with what else do you do here?  You drive. He works on that. We have a home base, a retreat center, so he manages the property. But all right. So back to the Enneagram and we were talking about for the break, automatic writing. What's the big deal? So I will preface with I'm not an expert on automatic writing. I have a very I have an understanding, basically, from from the help of Women of Grace, who their article is probably one of the only ones that you can find on the process, however, from a Catholic perspective. Although that being said, if you search automatic writing, you'll find it on a lot of new, not even New Age, I mean, witchcraft type web sites. And there's even a popular book that I've seen in Catholic Church circles called Jesus Calling, I think that was came out of automatic writing. I was going to say, that's the first time I had heard of it was some writings from some saint or what was attributed to a saint was not permitted by the church because of automatic right. OK, so the church is aware of it. Yes, as condemned it. Yeah. But it's essentially if I'm giving like a very nutshell explanation. It's you're opening yourself up to some sort of spirit so that they essentially write for you. The idea is just kind of flow through you and some of the definitions people have described, you know, the pen is like moving on its own. So it's very different from like a creative writing process, which is just you using your brain. Right. Demons or demons added is quite a bit different. Right. Right. That's the problem.  It's the same thing with the pen, which is why the church has said that it's bad. I mean, if I'm going to give the most clear definition, it's essentially saying, hey, some unknown spirit, come right for me. Yeah. And that's I mean, we know, we know the differences between the levels of possession. But I mean, it's like that's borderline possession. Yeah. And folks don't know the reason he's referencing that is because Stephanie and I have been involved in ecstasy and ministry and continued to be involved in deliverance ministry and work with ecstasy across the country. And and the the the sad part of all this is people blow it off and they think it's no big deal, but not everybody ends up possessed. I guess if everyone did, you know, people would be more afraid. That doesn't mean they're not influenced significantly by these things. So so I think if I remember right when you were you did a funny or a well thought out Instagram posts on this at due to harder thing, you talked about a dream or a vision. One of these guys had you said, oh, yeah, demonic origin. Yeah. So so Oscar or I believe it was Oscar, Oscar Chazzo. I'm referencing my notes real quick. Yeah, yeah, yeah. His concept of the enneagram that he took from George. He developed while high on mescaline. So and so people. So you're going to go use this. I mean, there's no way that make it's saying to use this precisely as a Christian. Right. It's it's one of the most clear. So there's a lot of squishiness with some of this New Age stuff, right? Because it's hard to narrow down because the goalpost constantly changes. But this is one of the most clear that I've come across. And in my study of New Age, where it's like everywhere you turn, there is a deep black pit of problems from from from the from the shamanism and the witchcraft to the high on mescaline. And and he had to to hire beings, give him the information to write out to put to describe this is what the enneagram. Yeah, this is what it should be. And then his buddy, Claudia, our student and friend who used automatic writing to help create the types. This is what the types should be. Again, another spirit influenced or demonic influence is more appropriate of the definition. So I want to just before we end the show, we got about half six minutes or so with this. I want to speak to one issue I think you've heard over and over now, you and I haven't talked about this, but I know you've heard it. Right. It helped me. Right. Right. Right. So here's the thing. If there was a donkey that got that helped Balaam did not get killed by an angel, right? Balaam was off off the rails and the donkey is trying to help him.  Right. Right. Right. I think I did a video on YouTube called Beware of the Donkey. Whether it helps you or not is irrelevant to whether or not it's a good thing. I have a buddy. I always talk about him because he was he came to Christ at a Grateful Dead concert. And what happened is I actually had somebody write in and what they justified that Grateful Dead is good. And all that. It's like, oh, wow. So what happened at the concert is the Lord lifted the veil and he saw clearly what was happening in all the demonic activity at the concert. And then he somehow was led to the answer of being Christ, right? So so the so another analogy is you don't need to go to Grateful Dead concerts to get to know Jesus. But when you the thing that happens is if there's good that comes out of these things, it's because of James four, seven and God's promise. If you don't need to God, he'll draw near to you. But that doesn't justify the use of these things. It's just that God loves us and he will in any way he can draw us to himself. But sorry, editor. But he will he will draw us to anything. But that doesn't justify the means. Right. You know, I've heard, you know, I think Richard Roars, the guy who teaches false teachings, I've heard people say, well, he helped me into the church. Great. I was helped by a heretic into the church, too. Right. By Molenos, who taught. It was a quietest, you know, taught false teachings about the church, but he helped me understand eridity. But really, who helped me? God helped me. So when I figured out he was a heretic, I I found I took the book and shredded it and used it in the bottom of the bird cage. Well, and even in my own conversion story, right? What was the major downfall of my conversion story? Pornography use, right? So porn. Yeah, porn.  Right. It just doesn't make any sense. And that's not even that's not even touching on the subjectivity of help. Right. Right. You know, the examples that you gave were very clear examples. It brought somebody to the church. Right. But when we're talking about the use of the enneagram and self knowledge, right, and personality tests, which is very loose anyway. I mean, the doctor who interviewed me was very great at explaining this. Now, Myers-Briggs is solid, though. I don't know. By a ton of research. Yeah, I'm aware of that. She mentioned the Big Five had about 40 years of testing. Yeah. So it's very valid. Yeah. So something like that, right? But this self knowledge, how do you determine whether or not it's good? It's very subjective. So when people say, yes, it helped me. I'm like, yeah, tell me about how you think it helped you. Right. Right. Yeah. If you're already in the church and here's the problem. If you are already a Catholic listening to this and you're utilizing this despite all of the history that they they write and claim and speak themselves, these architects who created it, you know, what what good can it be doing you? You're already in the church. Yeah. Where why are you looking for self knowledge in this? Why are you why are you utilizing tools that are outside of the church? Yeah, you don't need demons to help you to Jesus. You don't need Buddha, as I say, about mindfulness to help you to Jesus. You don't need Sufis to help you to Jesus because the church, you know, the entire divine economy, my favorite quote from the catechism is ordered to bring you to union with God. You need nothing outside of the church, period. And people who lead you there are people you should ignore. You should resist. You should not buy their books. You know, you buy stuff on mindfulness. You're going to damage your soul because it comes out of Buddhism. Right. No matter what the author claims, no matter even if the author is orthodox outside of those claims. Right. And so the question becomes, well, why can't we use tools outside of the church? My answer has always been, have you read all of the writings of the doctors of the church? Right. Have you have you read through all of scripture? Have you exhausted all the means? Right. Have you already have that's the perfect way of saying it? Have you read all of scripture? Have you read all of the catechisms? There's more than one. Most people don't know that. No. Now, it is true, of course. There is legitimate science that we can leverage. You're not speaking against that, like the Myers-Briggs, which I've used in the past and has as the PhD you were on her show said, has 40 years of testing behind it. The big five does. I don't know what Myers-Briggs has. It's one of those. OK. Yeah. So, but what you're saying is when it comes to things that, you know, the church is not lacking in its resources to help you gain self-knowledge. I'm basically warning against the draw, because there's some draw that this that new age, putting Enneagram within the realm of new age. Yeah. There's some draw that it has that has people constantly going, I want to look over there. That's because it's demonic. Right.  Right. And the fact that you're drawn to it is something you need to be healed of, not to fall. Right. Precisely. So that's what I'm warning against. There's more than enough within the church that that can give you that knowledge that helps, you know. So that's that's that's kind of what I'm trying to say. So if folks want to find out more, they can go out to do the harder thing. Tell tell folks about your. Yeah. If you if you're listening to this and you're thinking, well, I'd like to look into it myself. I'd probably start by just Googling Father Mitch Pacqua and Enneagram and read what he's written. Yeah. After that, I have even the I always get this wrong. It's Jesus Christ, the water bearer of life. Jesus, the bearer of the water of Jesus Christ, the bearer of the water of life. OK, I always get that. Yeah, that talks about it as well on the Vatican's website. Right. And I have that link along with links to the videos along with links to all sorts of things. And you did a funny. Would you call it a funny, funny video that you did? I thought it was hilarious. Yeah. He has a funny video you can share on it's on Facebook or social media. Do the harder thing, Instagram, because Facebook is a cesspool. Yeah, but you can evangelize. Yeah, it's true. It's true. So anyway, if you want to read this for yourself, if you want to confirm it for yourself, all those links are there. And bear in mind that I'm just repeating what these guys have written and said. It's it's as I said, this is one of the most clear cases of any new age thing out there that I've seen so far that is just everywhere you turn. It's just bad. There's just demons wrapped around every aspect of it. And you don't have to be Catholic. I mean, if you've got non-Catholic friends, this is really growing in evangelical Christianity. That's been a surprise. I was really shocked because they historically, I mean, I'm a convert from evangelicalism. Historically, they've been much more suspicious and discerning on these things than even sometimes Catholics than in my experience. But it's like growing like crazy in those circles. Yeah, it was introduced to me originally by a counselor or Christian counselor that I was going to. You're kidding me. No, no, that's where I was interested. Have you gotten back to them and said, hey, this is not good? I don't think they're receptive. OK, I have thought about it. And I'm just concerned it probably wouldn't be the smartest thing to do. Yeah, yeah. So unfortunately. So all right. Yeah. Well, I appreciate all your research and the good work you're doing to get the word out on this and many other things about our faith. Check out do the harder thing dot com. Yes, the website and Jordan's always fun and interesting. He's a much more fun version of the of the Burt clan. Depends on how much sleep I've got. Right. That's true. All right. Why don't you take us out until next time? May the God of peace make you perfect in holiness. May he preserve you whole and entire spirit, soul and body irreproachable at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ. For that 14.