We're live. We're live in Little Park. Tell us when we're ready to go, Hayden. We ready? Oh my gosh, so we're live in Little Park. Here we are at CCTV's 37th anniversary. Rain Kramer, you were there at the very first one. Do you remember? Vaguely, in the garage. Try not to miss a party. Exactly. So, and also we're just reminiscing about how you were an intern with us many years ago, although we can't remember that quite either. And you had some very special assignments. Tell us about those. I had to cover a ribbon cutting in the Old North End. And it was just, you know, you would call and say be there at this time. There'll be some people there. Make sure you get everyone. And then the new intersection in Essex Junction. That was a big one. Very little detail. Just go there and get something. And then I don't remember if I had a camera person or not. You must have. Yes. I don't know how great I was at the interviewing. Mostly I was just covering what was happening. But every once in a while I had to do an interview. Well, that's what we do at CCTV. We cover what's happening. That's exactly. And that's why we love CCTV. Exactly. Now tell us a little bit about what you're doing now. You're in Costa Rica, right? You've come to visit from that beautiful country. I have. I wonder if there's a public access there because it would be amazing if there was. I'm going to look into it, though. Well, they say it's the happiest country in the world. Is that true? Do you think? People are really happy. It's really nice. It's much slower. There's still a lot going on.  So you just, if you feel yourself getting tensed, you relax because that's what's going on down there. And what about your impressions of coming back to Burlington? Well, coming home to Burlington because you grew up here. And walking around, especially now post-pandemic, what are your observations? I always love coming back to Burlington. Obviously, the demographic, the diversity is so much different than when I was growing up here. So that's always great to see. Yeah, I feel like Vermont is the best place on earth. So I feel lucky that it's my home to come back to. I know. I'm so glad. So, can I give you an assignment? Sure. Could you find me another person to interview? Yes, I would love that. I would love that. Alright, bring them over. Thanks. Alright, thanks, Raincramer. Bye. So we're here celebrating, as I said, CCTV's 37th anniversary. I'm Lauren Glendavidian. And we're at Little Park, which is a beautiful park in Burlington's Old North End at the intersection of Archibald Street and North Winiskey Avenue, right across the street from our town meeting TV studios. And thanks to Wi-Fi that VTEL provided to us for the neighborhood to use if they needed it. Oh, my goodness. We are going live. Hello, my friends. How are you? I'm good. How are you? Good. So I'm going to let you hold the microphones. You got it. I got you. How's it going? It's good. So tell us a little bit about all of the microphones so you can just be on the other side. Because normally when you do your shows, the My Brother's Keeper shows, you're running the interviews. Yes, indeed. We are running the shows. So tell us about who are the most interesting people you've talked to this year. Even though it's been remote, you've had some, I think, really good and meaningful interviews. Tell us a little bit about those. Yeah, we have a couple of people. I think one of the most memorable ones for me personally was, I think it was a commissioner that came on to speak to us. And yeah, it was just nice to get his perspective of things that were going on at the time. Was that the Secretary of State, Jim Condos, or someone, a commissioner, a city councilor? Yeah, I think a city councilor. Something that had to do with the police department. Oh, I think the police commissioned. Exactly. That's right. And can you tell me what was interesting for you about that? It was interesting. He was explaining more about the police work. I mean, we didn't know that much stuff about the police in the community. Yeah. So it sounds like you've learned some things that you didn't know. Yeah, a lot actually. A lot. Yeah, and also you lived in other countries, right? So you have some experiences and you have some perspectives that are new and different in terms of what's happening here. So you want to talk a little bit about what you're learning and finding out by your experience here? I mean, sure, we're from a different place and we haven't been here for very long. So I guess the people that also haven't been here for very long that are like me, I guess, in a way, doing these shows, we get a perspective of the people that have been here for quite a while or born here and whatever. So I think, yeah, it's nice to get that perspective and kind of try to understand. Yeah, like trying to understand more about here. Yeah, because there are things that when you live in a place a long time, you think everybody knows, right? And then when you come, when I moved here from New York City, I found there was this whole kind of Vermont way of thinking that was not like I thought in New York City, but I didn't know what it was until I ran into it, right? Right, and then I was like, oh, that's what you think? Okay, you know, it was kind of a surprise. Yeah, sure. Exactly. So you've been going to BHS this year? Yeah, Macy's now. In Macy's? Yeah. And we were just saying that that's kind of a strange school experience, right? Yeah, you know, it's better than nothing. Better than online, that's for sure. Yeah. Better than online, yeah. So you've all been able to be in person together? For two days, yeah. Two days a week. Just two days a week? Yeah, really strange too. That seems like barely enough. It seems like a big tease to just go for two days. Yeah, but we are done now. School's over, yeah. What are you doing this summer? I'm trying to do a summer program in school and work too, but I'm not sure yet. Yeah, well, you just got out of school, right? So you're just figuring out what are you going to do this summer? Got a trip going down to New York for like a month, and then I'll be back and continue working. Do you have family down there? My mom's friend, actually. My family's just friends. Yeah, good.  Get out of town. Well, thanks so much for your work. Thanks for the My Brother's Keeper series. Thank you too. It's a big, well, we really appreciate it. And it's just fun to have you involved. Yeah. So thanks a million. Yeah, thank you so much. I hope to do more. All right, good. Awesome. Outside, the real, yeah, exactly. Oh my gosh. It's so awesome. Ben Joseph. Oh, look it. Come on over here before you go. Ben Joseph, what are the long running folks here that have been producing shows since we're up in that studio that we consider? Oh, I remember that. Remember your first show? I remember. Not, well, I can't say I remember the first show, but I remember a lot of them. I remember your questions were very long. Because you had a lot.  And I remember I said, shorten those up then. I'm doing better now. Yes, you are. I'm doing better now. I do the question. I make outlines. And I show them to the guest. And I say, these are the questions I'm thinking of asking. Tell me if something you don't want to hear or something, would you want to change, make additions, corrections? And I found that the shows go much better now. Yeah. Yeah. Because they've had a chance to think about what I'm going to ask. And so no one's surprised or embarrassed. And it makes for a better show. And what have you been focusing on with your programs? Just let folks know. Well, well, I've been in a lot of it. There's been a lot of talk about legalization of marijuana and the consequences of marijuana consumption. I'm about to do another interview with a doctor who's been very familiar with this stuff. And I think it's something the public should have a better awareness of. Yeah. Yeah. So that's what I'm working on right now. And you're also on the North Hero Select Board. Is that right? I'm on the Select Board and the Planning Commission. Oh, wow. Yeah. Are you allowed to be on both, apparently? Yes. Yes, you're allowed to be on both. In fact, yes, I'm allowed to be on both. It's been interesting. I bet it has. How do you think the North Hero Select Board might be different than the Burlington City Council, for example? Oh, yeah. You didn't tell me you were going to ask that question. I mean, I'm not going there. No, I... Well, I think it's, you know, it's a three-person Select Board. It's a small town, not a big city. It's a five-person. Oh, it's five. Okay, thank you. You're welcome. Let's see a little civics lesson. Yes, indeed. Yeah. It's interesting. It's very interesting. And now we've got all this stuff going on about what's going to happen with all this federal money that's going to be available to the municipalities. Yeah. And so we have to decide, you know, how we're going to do that. That's going to be hard. So, do people in North Hero Treat you like you're from away? Oh, yeah. Sure.  I mean, I've only been here 30 years.  You know, that's okay. That's all right. It doesn't hurt my feelings. No, I'm sure it doesn't. But it is kind of a fascinating phenomenon that we have, even if we've been here a short time or a long time. Yeah. It's kind of defined by whether we're in or out. Yeah. Well, it's just something that's, yeah, that's the way it is. I mean, it doesn't always mean it's hard to get things done, but sometimes it does. Sometimes you wonder. Yeah. Sometimes you wonder, although, you know, Howard Dean appointed me to the, to the bench. Bless his heart. I've only been here five and a half years. And it's been okay. It was really a great job. I loved it. Well, and also you got to make TV channel 17. Time meeting TV. You didn't even live here like a year. That was the best part. Exactly. Because we're about access. So thank you so much. Thank you. It's good to see you. Really appreciate your support. See you all. Yeah. Thanks so much, Ben. So yeah, it's been 37 years since our first show, since we persuaded the Vermont Public Service Board that the cable company should set aside these community channels, the public and the educational and government access channels for public purposes. And 37 years ago, tonight, give or take a couple days, we were watching some hapless cable company person try to put our tapes in the playback machines so that they would air. And we were sitting around at the video cafe watching that happen. And finally, the images flickered on and public access TV was born in this part of Vermont. And now there are 25 centers all over the state who are considered essential services funded by cable subscribers and community supporters. And it's just a very exciting time for us.  There's a lot of community supporters. And, you know, Rain Kramer obviously didn't do her job to find me another person to interview. So I'm going to go off and let Aiden do a little panning while I find another guest. Hold on one second. Hello. It's like Ben, too. And then I've got Erin, her mom. Erin Malone, which you might come over here. So we can have a quick little interview. Hi, Angie. Chair of the CCTV board, thank you so much. Of course. Good to see you. Great to be out. Love the Old North End.  Well, I never realized that this tree actually had grown up as much as it had since they built this park. Wow. Did you know this park was named after George Little and Elaine? And they were big supporters of the Community Land Trust, which owns this park or gave it to the city. And this was a building. This spot that we're sitting on was a building. Oh, interesting. And there was a man here who, when we were moving big, heavy furniture up into the first studio we had, we wrangled him to help us put that heavy plywood up those stairs. Always helping neighbors in the Old North End. I know. Yeah. Now, Erin, you are too.  That's my baby working to help neighbors. Yeah. Connecting people. Connecting people in the corner of North and North Willard. How's it been going during and post-pandemic? Well, it's not exactly post-pandemic, but how's it been? It's been a long year with a lot of wildcards. And I guess we just kind of focus on what we always do, which is just connecting with people, being safe, and getting them the things they need. So it's been good. It's been all right. It's been all right. Yeah. And then tell us, just tell everybody a little bit why CCTV is important to you. CCTV is important to me because it's a place for community members to learn about. Access local government through meetings and voting, and also to find a place to share their stores, whatever they are. It's also one of the few, like this park, non-commercial public spaces in the city of Burlington and in our community. So we love CCTV and we're here to support. Well, we really appreciate all your support. Thank you so much. G-Happy 37th year. Wow. And thank you, Josie Marie, for helping. Hello. Hello. There you go. Oh my gosh. That's so great. All right. We'll see you. Yeah. Have some more chips. That's great. Oh, there's some bird food. Hey, hold on a second. I'm going to talk to Barb. Barb, come on over. I'm so glad you did. I wanted to come and say hi. Oh, I'm so come on over because one of the things I love about you is that you go to California in the winter, but you're still watching the South Burlington City Council. I was just talking to Charlie about that and how grateful I am that you all have figured out a way because I was there live the other night for a few minutes, but then I had to go somewhere else and then I could go home and watch the rest from home and whenever I can't get there, you make it happen. So thank you. You're welcome. Town Meeting TV. That's what I came to say. Thank you, Town Meeting TV, and we're grateful. So what's happening in South Burlington? You're getting a news manager. We're very excited. Jesse Baker starts on July 1st. Yeah. And I've met her just in passing, but she seems wonderful and she comes with, you know, great background in government across the state of Vermont, and I think she'll bring a, you know, it's always good to have a new energy. So it'll be, I think it'll be a good thing and we've got lots of things happening in the city and we'll just keep moving in a positive direction. Well, South Burlington actually is a relatively young city, isn't it? And it's only had maybe three or four city managers, if I'm not correct. 15 years. So Kevin was the second. Jesse will be the third, but I wasn't really involved until the last few years. So Kevin's the only one I've really known and Tom Hubbard is a great deputy city manager and we're losing them both. Yeah. So. Well, Chuck Hafter was before him and Mike Flaherty, who is one of the sort of, one of the first councils was a, helped us found town meeting TV. Wow. And in fact, I'll never forget and he's pretty, you know, I don't know if there's a street named after him, but he's like that kind of guy, right? But I'll never forget, I was having a hard time negotiating with the cable company for some things and Mike went in and I sat there and he and the cable guy, they settled it in a few minutes. Great. Yeah. I know what we need. I know. And I just watched that. It's like, okay, good. Sometimes you got, those two guys just sitting there getting it done. Gotta have your friends help you out. Gotta have your friends help you out. Absolutely. Absolutely. So South Burlington was a big player in starting town meeting TV. Well, may it ever be so. Yeah. And may town meeting TV ever be so. Well, thank you for your support. We are glad you are here. Thank you. So I talk about you in California. People say, what are you doing? It's 3.30 on Monday afternoon. I'm going to town meeting TV. What do you mean? Yeah. I've got to go to town. You know, I've got to go to city council tonight. Exactly. So and it's all because you make that happen. Thank you. So thank you. And thanks for stopping by. You bet you. Happy anniversary. Thanks. Okay. Okay. See ya. All right. So there's one of our big fans from South Burlington.  You're seeing some of the great people that are here. Look at those beautiful people. Kathleen Swanson. I need. Yeah. We can get Margaret. I just want to show. Show. It's been a show. Kathleen Swanson. Kathleen. How are you? I'm good. So we have a challenge grant, right? We're in the middle of our anniversary campaign. And we have a $10,000 challenge grant. And I would encourage everybody to go online. If you support free speech, local media and the work we do at town meeting television, please go to cctv.org and make a donation. It's look at all these beautiful people here. And we're making it happen. Getting the information to the people because information is power. Well, and now more than ever. Now more than ever. Exactly. The local getting the, uh, the municipal meetings, the neighborhood planning assemblies, all of these things are so important to the health of Burlington and the other communities that we also serve. And, uh, during the pandemic, we brought those public hearings to the people. I know and archived them, recorded them live and archived them and as did community media centers all over the state. That's right. So it's been a great, it's been a great year actually for community media, I have to say. Yes. I mean, it's been a tough year for everybody, but we've been able to keep democracy, the wheels of democracy grace. Exactly. Exactly. And in the meantime, we're archiving our 37 years of material and we need money to help support that too because that's history. We want to archive the history of the greater Burlington area. 41,000 programs. 41,000 programs. There's some gems. Yeah. People here when they were much younger. Yeah. Exactly. All right. Yeah. Find me another guest. Yeah. That would be really good. So Aiden's behind the camera. Aiden White. And you can't see him, but I just want to say Aiden that having this year, especially to work with you, has been fantastic.  And all the meetings that we cover and all the productions that we do, you're just so creative and it's just a pleasure. And I think you started as an intern, didn't you? Or a volunteer, or you started as a volunteer and worked your way up. And now you were a fill producer and now you're running CCTV productions. And that's the way we do it here. We just try and build these pathways of success for people to be successful and speak their mind, including our beautiful Margaret Harrington. Margaret, hello. How are you? Six feet apart, better than six feet under, right? There's a motto. Oh my gosh, it's great to see you. Well, as you know, hello Aiden out there. It's been 14 years since I've been doing shows here at Community Television and Town Meeting TV. And most important of all, the Center for Media and Democracy, which I appreciate so much. And so I'm continuing my nuclear free future shows, doing one on Monday. I've continued my focus shows and I'm hanging out living here in Burlington and getting by. It's a sad time and yet it's a triumphal time now that people are getting together here in the little park, right? Opposite where the studio is, the closed studio is, and of course we have a heart broken about the closing of North End Studios, which was so much a part of the building and had so many wonderful programs for everybody in the community. So, well... Tell me what this year of some of the interesting programs that you've done that really stand out in your mind the interviews that you've done? Well, at the moment I prefer to talk about the, not the estrangement, but the fact that my grandchildren and my second daughter and her husband are so far away in another state I have not been able to see them yet and my granddaughter graduated from high school and she, you know there was no ceremony for that and we couldn't go to that. So it's been a difficult year as far as being separated from friends and family and so it's also given me a different perspective on how things are done. In fact Center for Media and Democracy what I used to call Channel 17 has changed so much and we're adapting to the changes in the programs you know, for instance you had a WCAX article about vaccines being given at the Riverside Health Center which I have attended well, I've attended the health centers in Vermont for over 15 years and the people who were treated there were not given the vaccine at all but suddenly four millionaires millionaire politicians show up at the community health center and they have a poster on the wall about giving vaccines out but that's the whole point for me, for the Center for Media and Democracy is to get the truth out and the full story out about what's really going on because politics in fact formal politics where unfortunately all the millionaires are now is only a very small part of our lives our living and breathing lives here on this earth is very different it's the communication between our loved ones and our community and that is still going on even through this terrible coronavirus which has hit other places much worse it's horrible here in Vermont with the senior centers and the nursing homes the nursing home story will be told in the future by young journalists who will come forward and say what really has been going on in the nursing homes in Vermont and all over the country and how the aged population is such a so far down in the priorities of our nation even though we have politicians who are in their 80s and are still carrying on with careers of politics and one of my shows coming up will be the return of the term limits people who are advocating for term limits in elected offices there is some reason why offices are people are elected to offices for two years or six years enormous six years so I'm looking forward to programs that I'm going to be doing in the future and I appreciate very much being able to do my programs on channel 17 Center for Media and Democracy for the past 14 years for my program Nuclear Free Future for the past six years for my program Focus and to have you working with us it's just been a joy we're really really grateful thank you Lauren and I appreciate your presence very much and I appreciate the staff's presence I miss seeing you all in person and doing the shows and the studio it's been an enlarging time I realize for you guys and also and many of my friends there so a mixed feeling I have today you know seeing some familiar faces here but so best of great to see you Lauren and looking well and best of luck in the it's going into the 38th year right? it's hard to believe it's hard to believe I was ever that young yeah but thank you what is a major for you what is a major personal thing about this this year? well I think that just the tremendous loss has been quite overwhelming you know just a sense of loss of the whole period I will say I've kind of liked not I've liked the retraction I've liked sort of having no fear of missing out you know everybody's been home so we're all home and I think that it's very exciting actually because I'm an extrovert to come back out into the world you know I think there's some of us who are just happy to stay in this you know the small universe but I like being out in the world and I'm so energized to see everybody and I just am incredibly proud of the work that folks at CCTV have done you know my co-workers keeping democracy going during a very difficult time they've been they've figured it out really quickly how to get those meetings online within like three days by March 15th we figured it out and people have been in their bedrooms running meetings you know I mean a lot of these people are young and they live at home or they live with roommates and they're running a TV channel virtually from their bedrooms and that I think amazing and Megan O'Rourke who runs Town Meeting TV has done I think an incredible job holding everybody together you know I mean I get some of the credit but really she and the team have done all that work and I've done a lot of policy work and we've had some good success in the legislature and I think you know in the next couple years we can restructure telecommunications taxes so that we have other funding sources besides cable for this work so that's the part so we actually I think have made some real progress in the past 15 months so I'm very proud of that how do you look forward into the future what changes are you going to drag into the not drag but bring in well I think we'll see you know we'll be going back into the office after Labor Day so in the meantime we have this little outdoor studio because of this great wireless connection that VTEL has given us, donated us so I think that doing more outdoor TV is going to be great because I think the studio is really a dead zone personally so I just like the idea of us being outside yeah okay yeah I'll look forward to that thank you Margaret thanks for asking thank you give my best to Lenny yeah thanks alright Margaret Harrington that's fantastic so Aiden how are you holding up pretty good alright let's see is there anyone else yeah let's interview Miles Miles wants to do an ethnography of CCTV we're going to ask him about that how are you nice to see you likewise thanks for having us we're so glad you're here so I was just thrilled that you're thinking of doing an ethnography of CCTV so tell us a little bit about that project yeah so the idea is because I got to know Dan Higgins through Luis Vivonco and then your name comes up a lot and the trajectory of number one this being a local institution number two I think with my own interest of wanting to become more active in the community and looking at places where community gathers where media is gathered and then teaching a class called community media and wanting to do a case study about CCTV it seemed like a natural progression to say okay what's the deep dive what are the everyday workings of a local institution like this and what can we learn about community development or community building through a place like this and then so the idea of ethnography is as we know it's making sure the perspective is told from whose perspective it belongs to so making sure putting yourself in somebody else's shoes for lay person's terms and really just like a deep history of how this came to be and it's just like it's a local treasure that's nice of you to say thank you so much because it really is I mean you think about the archives that we have and really the community weaving I mean sometimes we were talking about the other day that you know community media is you know media is what we do but it's really just the tool for community building you know and I've heard Megan say this too which is the idea of you know you maybe don't need to watch the full meeting and maybe Dan said this too you don't need to always be fully engaged but it's nice to know that it's there and if it can prompt somebody to go out and join like you watch it and you think oh that meeting is happening maybe I should just go to it and obviously the pandemic has put a little bit of a hold on things like that but I think that the philosophy of the process and not the product is really something that we've lost sight of in media so I think it's quite relevant to maybe revisit that which is really important and then the archive itself is the one thing that is like if we're gonna talk about the everyday there's no I don't think you can turn to any other place other than that archive to get a good glimpse at what the everyday has been like in Burlington for the last 30 years and it's not sound bites it is gavel the gavel it's just the meetings I mean it's the community events and the interviews yeah people like this showing up providing a space and you know and now I know that this is probably gonna live and who knows however long from now maybe somebody needs a sound bite and you know it's like you just don't know I mean look at what happened with the burning footage that was awesome well and that happened also with the Howard Dean when Howard Dean ran for president um the Howard the opposition about all the tapes it was tapes then and then the Dean campaign and then the times came and watched it and it was just it gave a profile of Howard that was very different than what the prevailing idea was at the time well and get this I'm working on a project about the Our Family Boat House yeah and it's like type in Our Family Boat House and in the archive and what shows up interview from 1994 of Ida Hour the grandmother of Charlie and Christine and it's like the mother sorry and it's like my god like imagine if that footage wasn't out there I mean that's gonna bring so much texture and allow the story to be told in a way that just wouldn't be able to be told in 2021 you know Rob Ryber did that I remember and Rob worked with us was so good just sitting on the porch and talking to people that's it it's important and again provide the space you know this place has provided a lot of space for people to talk you know and I think um you know talking to Megan a lot too about you know the idea of free speech you know and allowing people to be able to express their points of view and then allowing people to have different points of view you know it's like we're facing a really interesting time right now with how divisive things have gotten and how it's become sound bite culture and that's quite uh it's hard it's hard to dissect any information on a sound bite well I think it's also become very we've become very narrow in the information we consume and so we're not I think culturally we're less tolerant of views that we don't subscribe to echo chamber echo chamber is very easy right you know your bottomless feed on Instagram is going to express all the same values and viewpoints and it's very rare to get out of that you'd have to very intentionally follow people that have very different viewpoints to be able to get a broad swath cast a wide net so to speak so and I think that is really the challenge for community media in this period is to keep those conversations put them make them very central to the work invite people with different points of view to the work and host those conversations and so it's interesting and I've had uh Megan did this in my class when she comes and speaks to the class but she is has a really good knack of asking other people questions when they're supposed to be asking them questions so I'm going to ask you a question okay so talk about having an event like this in this space and coming out of the pandemic how's it feel it's great well it's great to be outside in this little park you know I was just saying to someone when we started the TV in 1990 this was a building and it's been this park and it's sort of a you know not the most I mean people hang out of this park but this tree is so big I mean I didn't even think it's shady and beautiful so I'm really happy to have everyone out and it's really great it's a kind of real snapshot of all the different people that are involved in what we do we've got like a long standing volunteer here yeah oh my gosh there he is alright no she's going to freeze up alright alright I don't know if I don't see I'm not good with an interview with a mic in my hand I'm normally behind the camera alright Jordan give us some context where are we what brings you here today yeah we're at the little park across from the studio they're hosting their 37th annual you know or anniversary rather just gathering with people and having a good time keeping safe staying outside but enjoying you know everything they were able to accomplish this year okay and quickly moving along if we're going to talk about your role and what you've done with CCTV what brought you to CCTV you should rephrase center for media and democracy or television TV talk about your history here yeah you've already talked about why you're here today about your history yeah two years ago now I started interning with them for the live at 525 shows on Friday evenings at uber over here from my dorm it was great really loved that and I did that for about a year and a half also helping with so just the live shows doing that over the summer and then pandemic hit that kind of stopped so just kind of stuck around and then in my spring semester at UVM worked on a project somewhat through UVM but also with CCTV with Winooski students just making community media between Burlington and Winooski and so there's Dan I think you should meet Jordan because have you met Jordan in person yes Dan come talk to us please let's get you not on a zoom yeah how's your project going it's good we kind of wrapped up the interviews at the end of the semester and then now we're just kind of editing the footage and seeing what happens as we head into the summer this morning I had a two hour long coffee with Luis very nice and he was very impressed with all of you yeah we sent him our like progress report on how the project was going last week so he recently heard about how things were going but yeah it's been great well I'm looking forward to seeing your final you're doing making videos right yeah we're taking those interviews and putting them into some sort of video kind of over the summer myself and the two other UVM students we were all at this point split up since we've all graduated but we're still working on something with the two Winooski high school students and we hope to do something at some point this summer some sort of public screening and how's it getting back into the community and Winooski where people that aren't part of it can see it yeah that's our plan we did about eight interviews with people and so we want to invite them back to whatever public screening and then we also just want to invite community members whether they're related to the school district or not just you know community members outside the district it'd be great to have everyone see what's going on yeah I think this year is really good too because it's the legacy they're working toward the 100th anniversary of Winooski and their theme is empowerment and opportunity so your project fits right nicely into what the legacy group is trying to pull off I don't think they know what you're doing so Joanne what is a lesson that you've learned from Dan's work yeah I think a lesson from your work is just you know making sure not to take from the community but actually working with the community you talk about photographs you know you don't just take photographs of people you actually work with them to make photographs and that's something we tried to incorporate in our project and also Myles has brought into our class I've taken a class at Myles at UVM a couple times I know it's very incestuous this whole CCTV it all comes full circle my friend we didn't want to just go into the community with a camera and knowing how intimidating that could also be we wanted to actually like collaborate with the people which is great you're going to take this mic away from me I think you're doing great but I didn't want to leave you hanging thank you Myles no thank you I'm hopefully here to stay so thanks for calling me over providing the space well anthropologists unite sort of my feeling it's great to see you yeah you too it's great to see you yeah I'm glad I could be here all that in a bag of chips yeah absolutely okay that's fine no I majored in film with a minor in applied design and music so just interested in anthropology but stayed with studied film yeah one of our success stories yeah exactly thanks it's great to see you yeah yeah have some chips I mean we have chips we don't have regular food Shay come on over Dan one of our founders oh during your interview I didn't throw much weight around I was waiting for Kathleen to come out with a little shot of whiskey or something it always used to make the interviews go easier I guess you're not doing it out here in public yeah I don't know where the secret one of the secrets of channel 17 in town meeting TV that you just don't know yeah we greased the wheels that's what that is oh boy I guess this is the new tequila the new tequila it'll rot your brain just like alcohol believe me so Shay Todd and I think you know Shay welcome thank you it's great to be here happy birthday everybody thank you very much yeah Dan was there we had at the video cafe the first one 1980 what I know that was a great night I'll never forget that night and you know one of the things that Shay has been doing is working with local media and journalists all around the country and I think you have something to say about the timeliness of community media today what comes around goes around what once was old is new again I mean it's what's fascinating is that what you're seeing and what's sort of the collapse of sort of local journalism in many cases and this idea of news deserts is that what's happening is actually community journalism and helping sort of put the power of storytelling into the hands of the community itself is actually now becoming really the thing within local journalism and is actually seeing as the model by which you can create sustainable local models for journalism sort of not just public access but like general sort of digital hyper hyper local digital news sites so it's fascinating and this is where like philanthropic money is going at the local level the national level people are awake and realizing that this kind of both just local storytelling but also visual and sort of storytelling is crucial and critical and it's not just who is in the story but who tells the story and I think that's also part of you know community media and sort of the tenets of it was really sort of putting the power of this media and the sort of civic engagement into the hands of those folks who are often most impacted by the stories that are so you're not just reporting on something but it's actually working with the community that they're telling their stories and that's kind of what public access has been about but yeah increasingly it's becoming important that they're marginalized people that don't have to have their story told for them they have a chance to yeah I mean and that's you know that's it's long overdue and what's amazing is to sort of see it's like you know that there's so many lessons and sort of you know this what I sort of bring to these conversations at the national level but they're happening in local places whether it's Colorado or Ohio or Detroit or wherever is that this kind of model like you know they'll say well how do we do this like well do you have a public access station like in your name you should maybe collaborate with them they have training and tools available they could be training your reporters they could be training some of your community members in fact they might already be people have shows based on the topic you want to cover and so they're like oh you know hadn't thought about that because it seems to be this sort of it sort of fell to the background it was sort of became part of civic infrastructure that was sort of not really didn't get its due and now it's sort of coming back again that this is sort of you know what we were you know what was being envisioned here in the 80s was you know not just so forward thinking that it was for next time but like it's come back again after we've tried all these other models that collapsed you know because everyone kept trying to get bigger and bigger and bigger thinking that was the way to make things sustainable long-term but that was a house of cards and so now you know a lot of communities are paying the price for it but you know hopefully there's this way to kind of fill that gap it's a long way to go still but in a place like Vermont and especially in Burlington we have a we have a strong access network that can kind of help buttress against some of that those news deserts and that news information sort of vacuum so you're keeping track on the national level of these projects and what capacity you just go into towns and try to see what they're doing or no so for up until February I was working for a national working for a national project called the Compass Experiment which is a partnership between McClatchy News and Google on doing digital startups in communities that in underserved communities where there had been a loss of information a loss of news and then since then I also do I do consulting work with other organizations that support news sites like that in other parts of the country and a lot of it's on basically trying to help them think through like how do they do outreach how do they do community engagement and both as a sustainable revenue model but also as a way to do better journalism I know it's very exciting work and it's good to know that it's come around again it's been it's hard to sort of say oh what we're doing is new and shiny because we've been doing it for four decades but you know it is the function of building community using media is now more than ever more important where the whole culture has become very different than it was 40 years ago I mean the young generation is so connected with Black Lives Matter and the whole like the whole school system is all the kids are it's an anti-racism focus and it's coming up against the school boards and it's really interesting what's happening with that next generation they're very conscious of the opportunities we have to have a better kind of life than we do now I mean I think that that's I mean I'm not putting it in the most accurate way but it makes me hopeful when I see my daughter and your kids the work that they're doing to build community in a meaningful way and to sort of see this they're seeing this as a vehicle and they can see themselves reflected in this kind of work but it's funny because it's hard to say gosh so what we've been doing all this time is now new again it's kind of wait a minute how does that happen but at the same time there's still ways to improve and making sure that you're actually reaching all the people who really should have a voice and should be reflected and telling important stories because I think part of what we also forget is not just about the stories but what we also know from the archives is that this is also part of what we're doing on an ongoing basis the ongoing story and the ever-revolving story of a community and especially here where there is so much dynamic change just because there's so many colleges because of New Americans and being a refugee resettlement area there's this constant dynamic where new businesses and new families are coming in all the time and so the story almost has to be retold consistently to new people in a stale way and this helps to kind of provide that and often sometimes be a way to tell stories back home wherever home might be from whence they came it's a way to share this now because of the internet you can share this information more rapidly and almost instantaneously they can almost watch live depending on the time of day it's a powerful medium there's still a lot of issues in terms of ensuring its long-term success and support and that sort of awareness that it is part of that civic infrastructure and I think that's our next challenge is part of that so it's not taken for granted in that way but actually seen as this sort of new fabric of how we actually don't just tell stories but actually engage, make decisions come together and try to plan it forward well thank you that's beautifully said thank you Shay and thank you Dan and thank you for watching thank you for making this thing continue for 40 years well it's really not because just of me it's all the people that have ever worked here and that so many of them are here so it's been our pleasure yeah it's great yeah thank you this is Aiden White man wonder right there fantastic thanks for watching happy anniversary happy free speech media for the people and by the people town meeting tv and cctv center for media and democracy thanks for watching I love this outdoor studio


Welcome to Toffy TV. I am joined by Rob Sloan and Graham Shaw and Andy Gray. Over the last few years, or over the last period of 10, 15 years, there's been a lot of football films out there, if you're thinking of Nottingham Forest one, I believe in miracles. I've watched all sorts of Netflix documentaries, I've got loads of football DVDs, but there's never been one about, for me, the greatest club in the world, and that is about to change. Rob, why is it going to change? One of the things that's always troubled me. If a conversation comes up about the greatest English teams of all time, and football did exist before 1992, but if a conversation comes up about those great English sides, Everton 84-5, it's never part of the conversation.  It's never part of the conversation, and for so long I've wanted to do something about that, and we're now in a position where we can, and we're going to make a film, it's going to be called Howard's Way, and with a little bit of luck it will be out towards the end of this year. And we'll try and give that team a bit of credit, and all the guys are on board, Andy's been fantastic, I knew Andy from way back working together, and Andy's helped me one by one, we got hold of the team, and it's snowballed from there. Everybody's on board, I think everybody feels that that team didn't get enough credit, and it's time to do something about it. Talking to people who were here who had witnessed big games in Europe before, not necessarily Everton, they thought that night of goodness was the best atmosphere, and I'm talking about Ladsford following up with Scotland, Ranges and Celtic, and they said that night here was the best they've ever experienced, and I just thought as a team we grew into it, and we got stronger as the game went on. So the best to have experience I've played in... For me, as an Evertonian, it feels as though that team's almost slipped through the cracks when it should never have slipped behind. This is a team that, you know, won the league twice in three years in Europe, and so we won FB cups. Andy, how important is it to be involved in something like this? Well, when Rob called me, as he says, we've known each other for some years now, and he called me and said, I've got an idea, and I want to put this together, because his love of Everton as well said, I want to try to put this together, and I thought, I thought he was joking at first of the world. It's just a supporter, loving his stuff. I said that to myself. It's a supporter loving his club, and I thought, yeah, I'm more than happy to help out, because I don't know why. I mean, I think in... I don't know why that Everton team, or that cycle of three years, whenever and I think we're not the best team in England, they were the best team in Europe, but didn't get a chance to show that they were the best team in Europe. Maybe that's part of the reason that it slipped through the net, what was going on then, the troubles with Europe, the ban, everything that went around that. It might have played a part in this seventh side, not getting the recognition it deserved, but listen, we get together often. I really think if Rob pulls this off, and I hope he does, I really hope you do, it would be a fitting tribute, not to us as footballers, but to the man who's not here. That's Howard himself, because without a doubt, whether it was luck, judgement, combination of everything, I think he would probably, if he was sitting here now, say, I think it was a combination of, I was lucky, but I had talent as well, because you needed talent to be able to do what he did. But it would be a fitting testimony for Rob to pull this together, and we could all say it was Howard's way. Graham, I mean, obviously, you know, played and now you work at the club as well, and you've seen the way everything are. I mean, I'm probably going to say I'm biased, but we'll look that in the media. Sound it, sound it. We'll look that, we'll look that, we're ignored in the media, I feel. I mean, you as a player and then saying the way the teams fell away, or the reputation of the clubs fell away, how important is it just to remind everyone that, you know what we were, that you are a standard to me, we're good. I think it's massive, not just for ever fans or younger ever fans, but football, football public in general. I think, you know, you can easily be forgotten about, but I think that team deserved a lot more recognition than what it actually got.  I don't think people realise what a fantastic team it was, you know, in difficult times in football. But to get the players on board and also to get, you know, have a candle and tell people the story of, you know, how that team evolved and the players come in, I think it'll be fantastic to let people know, because you go to the Everton games now and there's a lot of young fans, there's a whole bit of young fans in the future and everything else, but I just think now you've just got to look and remind them, you know, where we were, what we were all about, what they have to try and emulate nowadays, even for present day players. You know, who come over and probably don't know an awful lot about the history of the football club and what it means and what it means to the Evertonians, you know, so I think it will be fantastic and it's something we're really looking forward to. We've got Colin Harvey, he's going to come on board, he's going to do something for us as well. Colin was sort of historically important because of the Everton's history and the Holy Trinity, et cetera, which will be part of the film, but also he was a big part in a lot of the players' careers back then, wasn't he? Yeah he was, he was, when I came down he was a reserve team coach, so all the younger players on the team went through the reserve and went through Colin, everybody knew what a hard task master he was and he had that instant respect from the players, so these are stories that people probably don't know, you know, and I think it will be a great insight into what was a fantastic team and a fantastic group of people. When I was growing up I wanted to be a footballer and then wanted to play for Everton and what you end up doing, which is, it's, you dream come true and it's something you've always wanted and all of a sudden there you are on the pitch there in front of 60,000 playing football most of all your dad and your granddad. I really wanted it to be authentic to the time and what was going on, not just about the football club but the city, the politics, the music, the culture, it was a big time. People, the kids were coming out of school and they were saying it was pretty grim, it was difficult and obviously Liverpool were winning the league and the European Cup in the same season and so at least their fans had something every Saturday, Wednesday to look forward to et cetera and Everton. They didn't have that, it was a really difficult time to be an Everton fan, you know, just prior to when Howard came in the 70s because 60s were not bad, there wasn't a particularly dominant team in the 60s but Everton were up there and then the 70s were pretty unkind, we were unlucky a couple of times, very unlucky and then Howard built something from a fairly difficult starting position and I think it's a great story and we'll try to tell it properly and the music will be a big part of it. We've got Keith Mullin from the farm, he's looking after the school, I believe so. We've got Dave Feely who you know well on this show, he's involved so we're going to try and do it right and everybody from the squad's involved and I'm so excited about what we could do. I mean for me it's a massively important story because people, it wasn't just about winning the league, the team we had to overcome in this city were the best team in Europe and not only did we overcome them in this city, we went on and conquered. You were better than them? We were better. When you look back at this, if you think back to October, November 1983, Everton were probably 5th from Bop, 6th from Bop, really bad, really bad. This is a story that's from around October, November 1983. Wasn't that when you got on the team? Yeah. They're just console me. No. No. No. But what I'm trying to say is when the film and if the working title becomes the title, Howard's Way, it will absolutely sum up what those years were all about. It was Howard's Way. He turned something that was broken and not working. Almost overnight, as I've said, with the great judgement, with some good fortune, I'm sure, into something that, if you were to tell an Evertonian tomorrow, do you know next season? Cos it would be like, where are we sitting at? We're in March. We're in March. If you were to say, you know, in nine months' time, we're going to be top of the league in the final of the FA Cup, and we're going to win a European trophy. Would you take that? You'd have no answer. You'd literally have one of them, aren't you? Well, there lies the magnitude of what Howard did, and I could not be more pleased that Robb's decided to do this and put it together. I can't wait for the finished article. I really can't, because I think there will be, like Robb said, like many people have said, there are a lot of people around the country, younger ones, who Everton's mentioned in passing. By the way, that team in the mid-80s, they were good. No, they weren't good. They were very good. In fact, they were better than very good. And we also should think of Live Aid. We're going to compete with Live Aid stuff again. We're going to compete with Live Bloody Aid as well, good on, when we were winning Everton. You know, we're competing against all that sort of thing as well, but I just think it's an amazing story, and I think it's one that should be told, and I think it's one that will be told.  I think this one will be received in that same vein. I think Howard deserves it, and with Colin and Mick Heaton, who put such a lot into it as well. You can't compare Eris particularly, but you couldn't do, there will be a lot of storytellers in this film telling a lot of great stories. And you know, if you have seen I Believe in Miracles, the players' stories are the key to it. They're funny, they're silly. You can't believe some of the stuff that basically, it's not that long ago, but you know, they didn't have enough large pairs of shorts for the big back sides that they were in. So, you know, big tush. So, it's incredible. You know, the modern day football fan won't believe, as Rob's quite said, how it went and how close we were as a team and how close we were and we bonded together. And Howard was instrumental in that, and his style of managing, would it happen nowadays? I don't think so. I think people will be surprised, especially looking at the way Liverpool was in those times, their unemployment. So, excuse me, a bit of an absolute fantastic insight into the makers of what was a great team and also a great city. Alcohol played a part, didn't it, Graham? No, Howard didn't touch a drop there. It's only when we finished. No, it would never be a part of my game. Rob, just to cap it often. What are we hoping to get out of there? I mean, if the players will see, I know these two others, have everybody been quite convinced of the idea? Yeah, we've got in touch with everybody, so one or two are slightly more difficult to get hold of than others, but some of them... You've got some on the other side of it. Yeah, so we've got a couple, but they're on board as well, so we'll get out there, we'll do that. Adrian's obviously in Minnesota, so we'll get Adrian as well. And Mike Lyons who can talk about the 70s as well. So, yeah, we're going to get to everybody, hopefully. And I would like to think that come October, November that we've told the story pretty well. And how is it? I mean, what's the plan availability and stuff where will we be able to get it? Or is that still possible? Okay, a little bit TBC. Oh, well, that's fine. That's fine. If you want to leave it at that, that's fine. But we would like to think. So when Forrest did Miracles or when Johnny Owen made that film, the premiere was at the city ground. I think they got 3,000 or 4,000 into the city ground to watch it. And I'd love to do something like that at Goodison. 3,000 or 4,000, come on. 3,000 or 4,000 at Goodison to watch it, surely? Well, it's a jumbotron, Andy. You can only see one. Don't care, still feel it. I'll let them see what you don't feel about it. The Evertonians will come there and just to hear it. And to hear how it is. So that's what we'd hope for. We hope we could do something at Goodison and it would be fairly spectacular for Goodison.  You know, I've been at a school kid going in and getting all kinds of stick because the other side were winning things and then all of a sudden turned and I was bouncing it on a Monday with a big smile. It takes you back and I think it'll be fantastic and I can't wait. So we'll be monitoring this progress as we move along. But there you go. Absolutely fantastic. Thank you, sir. Good luck. Listen, look out for it how it's going to be called. I'm quite sure it's going to be on social media and we'll certainly be pushing it all the way up until the launch. Make sure you get behind it. This is what our club stands for. None of this is trying to stay up. None of this getting 40 points. It's about winning stuff. Rob's going to make it real. Get behind it. Thanks very much for watching. See you later.


Hello and how are you all today? My name is Priyanka and the question says if fx is equal to mx square plus n when x is less than 0, nx plus m when the value of x is greater than equal to 0 or less than equal to 1 and nx cube plus m when the value of x is greater than 1. For what integers m and n does both limit x approaches to 0, fx and limit x approaches to 1, fx exists. So here in this question we are required to find out the value of integer m and n. So when x is less than 0 then the function which is given to us is mx square plus n and when the value of x is greater than equal to 0 but less than equal to 1 then the value of the function is given to us as nx plus m. So we have limit x approaches to 0 from the left hand side mx square plus n and on using the limits we have answer as equal to n. And here we have limit x approaches to 0 from right hand side nx plus m and on using the limit we have it equal to m. So we can write and therefore we have n equal to m. Right, this is for the first case. Now for the second case we have when the value of x is greater than equal to 0 but less than equal to 1 then the function which is known to us is nx plus m and when x is greater than 1 then the function which is given to us is nx cube plus m. Therefore limit x approaches to 1 from left hand side nx plus m and on using the limit we have the answer as n plus m. And here we have limit x approaches to 1 from the right hand side nx cube plus m which gives us the answer as n plus m. Right, so we can say that therefore limit x approaches 0 fx is equal to m and limit x approaches 1 fx is equal to 2m for all m which belongs to real number. So the answer to this question is that for limit x approaches 0 fx to exist we need m equal to n. And for limit x approaches to 1 fx exist for any integral value of m and n. Right, so this is a required answer. Hope you understood the whole concept well. Have a nice day.


I mentioned 2018 of Orlando, Florida. Our next speaker up is a 25 year terrestrial radio host come this November, 25th anniversary with frequent Red Pill speakers and speakers in this convention like Rolla Tomasi, Richard Cooper and Jack Murphy. In addition to that though, when I first talked to him on the phone a few months ago about speaking at this event, I remember like hanging up the phone and immediately thinking the intensity and level of masculinity this guy has is becoming, he called himself a dinosaur about it in this regard afterwards, but it really is becoming rare today. And for a variety of reasons, we don't like that, but it's really powerful and almost beautiful in a sense to see it. This level and intensity masculinity, I think used to be a lot more normal in America in the West and it's bad ass to see it come back at the event. Every year we have a speaker like this, older gentleman from a different generation who brings that to the table and it's awesome. Without further ado, please help me welcome Pat Campbell to the stage. Thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you. Thank you, sir, appreciate it. Good morning. How's everybody doing? First of all, I'm honored to be invited here. It was about a year ago, I guess I officially got red-pilled with Rolla Tomasi. I had always been sort of the same mindset, but I wasn't quite ready to make the leap. In fact, his books have been an epiphany for me. I found out that I'm what they call a trad con. And that is somebody, I'm the goon squad for religion. I'm the enforcer. I'm the guy that shames you when you step out of line or at least I used to be until about a year ago. In fact, Rolla has a fourth book coming out. He's offered me the opportunity to write the forward fort, but it's all about religion. This is the lynch pin to the rational male because religion is the enforcement mechanism for the feminine imperative. I'll talk more about that a little bit later in the program. But when people ask me, what do you do? I used to say I'm a conservative radio talk show host. That's sort of generic.  So my elevator pitch, and if you go to my Twitter account at twitter.com.frontslashpc1170, it says I talk about things that matter with people that care. The reason I'm here today is you are the people that care. And I've got things to say that I think are relevant to this audience in particular. I'm a father of five and I've got two boys. And I'm genuinely afraid for them as to what they're entering into in this day and age. In fact, I've used the following to explain Rolla's book. Imagine if your son wanted to play football, but he'd never seen a football game and he doesn't know the rules. And you put him in a uniform and you put him out on the field, what happens? He's gonna be humiliated, he's gonna be slaughtered, right? So the rational male, the entire series which I highly recommend is the rule book for playing the game. The game of inter-gender dynamics. The problem is the women have always had the rule book. We haven't had the rule book or we've been fed a false rule book. What Rolla would refer to as like sort of a Disney style, princess, one-itis kind of thing. We've been played. We've been played. It's time to wake up. It's time to take the red pill. And if you've got children like I do, I've got five, two boys, but even for the girls, this is relevant. You need to read the book and you need to pass on the knowledge. Now I'm gonna start here talking about some of the things just to give you an idea of what I do on my program. Okay, so let's see. About a week, two weeks ago, there was a story in the news about this 35 year old hulking bodybuilder who beat the living crap out of his living girlfriend who was 21 for about 40 minutes putting her in a coma, putting her in the hospital. And it was all triggered by him looking at her cell phone. By the way, she went into court and tried to get the charges dropped against him. Fortunately, because there was video evidence that the DA had, what she wanted didn't matter. They're gonna prosecute this guy to the fullest extent of the law. Another little interesting side note too, his attorney tried to blame it. He's a competitive bodybuilder on roid rage. And I said, hmm, that's pretty interesting. Then I took a list, a look at the actual items that were confiscated from the house. He had amphetamines, methamphetamine. He had cocaine, he had ecstasy, and he had steroids. But it's the steroids that did it. And I'm thinking, yeah, this is sort of a selective narrative but it's important to note because it's more of the demonization of testosterone and testosterone is masculinity. And masculinity, as you know, is what? Toxic. So that's why they nailed that.  So, back to the phone thing. And I'm gonna tie this into a story here real quick. Anybody, if you're in a relationship, especially if you're not married yet, we always hear about controlling men, right? We don't hear about controlling women. They're out there. And they are legion. If you've got somebody that's checking your phone, male, female, that's a problem. That's a problem. And if you're not married to that person right now, get out as fast as you can. Because that is like one of the biggest warning flares. Rolo and others talk about the ink. They talk about the piercings. They talk about the hair color. If somebody's checking your phone, that's a bad omen of things to come. You've got a control freak on your hands and it's only gonna get worse. It's only gonna go downhill and they have trust issues. Get away, get away. You deserve better. You deserve better. So we had a story a few weeks ago about Bridezilla. So this is a chick who is going to have a destination wedding. And I'm guessing it's probably her second or third because usually on first time around, you don't do a destination wedding.  She invites 150 of her closest friends. The cost, $3,000. Please RSVP as soon as possible. Only 15 people decided they wanted to go.  So she changed the destination. I'll make it closer. So she decided we'll go to Hawaii and only cost $2,000. This time only seven people replied.  And she's got all sorts of demands. It's almost like a hostage negotiation. And then she talks about the bridal registry. Oh, if you're gonna go to the wedding at the bare minimum, you must have a $75 or more gift. Talks about the bridal registry. She says, don't worry about the cheap stuff. That's all been bought. So this is like a prima donna who feels entitled. And I wish I could find out who the guy is. Because first of all, man, there is somebody that needs to be red-pilled. I don't care how beautiful this lady is. I don't care how great the sex is. Nothing is worth that. Nothing. And if that's how you're gonna start a relationship, can you imagine where you go from there?  So the bride's illusory. Then this ran in, let's see, the Daily Mirror. And the copy I've got here is actually from Fox News. I think Board Panda picked it up too. And this one is a contract that a girl has with her boyfriend. That includes 22 demands, okay? So it's like already we're back to a hostage negotiation. I got a gun against my head, okay? If you want me, these are the demands you gotta meet, okay? Listen to some of these. These are all warning signs, flares, whatever you wanna call it. So number one, you're not to have a single girl's phone number, really? What about my mom? What about my sisters? What if we have kids and I have a daughter? What if my boss is female? I'm sorry, this is a deal breaker for me. Number two, I love this one. You're not allowed to follow them on any social media, including Instagram, Snapchat, and Twitter. That's interesting. I've got, I mentioned five children. Three of them are girls. My two oldest ones are married. Daughter number two, Rachel, told me something very interesting the other day. And she sought out somebody as a spouse that was like dad, okay? So my son-in-law, Sean, is very much like me. He's alpha. And she was telling me that her husband said she couldn't have any male friends on Facebook. I'm like, whoa. And I said, what did you say? She goes, he's right. And then we were talking about another couple that we know, a younger couple in their age group, that are married. And the guy, the husband in that case, has an awful lot of female friends on Facebook and Instagram, which leads my daughter and her husband to believe that, well, maybe he's stepping outside or he's ready to step outside. All right, but with them, it's not my son-in-law controlling her, but setting boundaries. And she wants boundaries. When you're raising kids, kids want boundaries. I was talking with Jack Murphy about a story, my youngest daughter is 15. And she wanted to go to the homecoming. And usually with me, my rule is you don't start dating until you're 16. She's just a couple months away. She's not dating, she just wants to go to the homecoming. They're double dating. So she goes out with her friends to get a dress. Okay, that's mistake number one, because the parents should have been there. And compared to all of her other friends, her dress was the most conservative. But the picture was sent to me, and I'm looking at it and I'm going, what kind of a message does this send to young men? Now the front, I didn't initially think was too bad, but it was a little bit low cut. My youngest brother, I've got two younger brothers. My youngest brothers are twins, and they're both Catholic priests. I'm the oldest of 13. So I sent this picture to my brother, Father James. And I said, what do you think? And he picks up the phone, he's laughing at me.  He said, if her chest was water, she goes, he goes, be pouring out all over the floor. And then, but the front part wasn't the bad part. You turn around, and I don't know if you've seen what girls are wearing to school dances nowadays, but they, they, am I doing something? It's getting an echo. The, they try to expose the mid-drift, you know, push the limits, the higher, the better, the lower cut, the better kind of stuff. So on the back of her dress, there's an open space, but the back is also lace, very, I don't know, revealing, and it reminds me of lingerie, right? And I'm like, whoa, whoa, this, this isn't gonna work. What kind of a message does that send to a young guy? I know what message it sends to a young guy. And I said, unless, unless I want a grandson out of wedlock or a grandchild out of wedlock, that's, that's a no-go. And I set boundaries for her, and we sent her back to get another dress, which was much more appropriate, but she wanted boundaries. She wanted daddy to say no, so that I could give her shade, give her cover with her friends. You should have seen some of the freaking dresses the friends had on. The girl behind her that took her picture, I'm looking at it. I, I, first of all, it looks like a negligee, like the shortest negligee I've ever seen. Her mother loved it. Her mother thought her, the other girl's mother, loved it, thought it was great. I can't imagine letting a kid out of the house, girl out of the house, dress like that. But that's what was going on. And again, what message does that send to young guys? I know the message it sends to young guys. That's why you're not wearing the dress, right? But kids want you to set boundaries. So I want to get back to this list here, too. Some of the other things. Oh, she says you're not allowed to hang out with Keegan, including his house or anywhere public. I don't know who Keegan is. As I started to read this list, I'm thinking, what is this, like a 15-year-old boy? Who would possibly sign off on this deal? Who would think this is okay? Who would agree to this? But apparently it's an adult. It says, and the reason I say that is because they talk about going out drinking. You can't go out drinking without me. Oh, really? That's new to me. It says you're not to go to Honda without me. I'm not sure if that's a Civic or what. I don't know what that exactly is. You're not allowed to hang out with your friends more than two times a week. Says who? Says, you're just dating this chick. You're just dating this chick and she's setting the ground rules. Rollo talks all the time about controlling the narrative, right? This chick right out of the gate is controlling the narrative. This guy has been castrated from the start. Oh, you're not allowed to look at a single girl. What am I gonna do? Pluck my eyes out? Wear blinders? What do you want me to do? If girls come up to you at any place or any time, you are to walk away. Are you kidding me? What if my, like I said before, what if my boss is female? What if my coworkers are female? You know? I'm not allowed to talk to my mother or my sister anymore. What's the deal with that? Mo is not to hang out with us every time we hang out. I'm not sure who Mo is. Oh, you are not to ask for a head. What am I supposed to beg? I mean, you're not allowed to ask for a head. That's interesting. You lost me at number nine, honey. You lost me at number nine. Oh, this one, this one, if anybody gets married, if you do a prenup, you gotta get this one. I love this one. I wish I would have thought of this one.


Our next caller is Sandy from Texas. Hey, hey, Sandy Doug tells us that Sal's your least favorite host. Tell us why So what's your question, how can we help you? So I'm calling in regards to I'm working on getting better sleep. I Finally clicked a couple months ago about I should probably be getting more sleep, but I'm having trouble staying asleep I was wondering if you guys had any tips or any supplements y'all recommend to help me stay asleep I'm sleeping on average about six hours. Okay. That's a great question When did let me ask you some more questions because I need a little bit more information When did these sleeping issues start for you? Honestly, I haven't slept that well since I was in since I was in high school and then When I joined the military, I just didn't get much sleep. It didn't help at all And then once I started listening to you guys, I was like, well, maybe I should start working on my sleep But yeah, that's where I started kind of Noticing that I couldn't stay asleep. Okay. So so in my ex I've worked with quite a few clients who have served in the military By the way, thank you for your service Thank you. One thing that I notice in common is that they tend to have sleep issues when they're done You know when they're done serving Was it difficult to get good sleep when you were serving? Was it because you were Because of the schedule or because of the stress of being, you know, you know somewhere else or whatever Did you notice any of that? To be honest, I think it was just poor decisions on my end I didn't really put any Importance to it and I guess I just kind of got used to it But I didn't really Maybe the a little bit of the scheduling was was a factor there But I think majority of it was just bad decision bad planning. Sandy. Have you tried masturbating before bed? Works for Adam You should answer that that's absolutely There's I was just watching a video the other day and master I was in that that there's actually a hormone that's released that pairs with testosterone that works like a sedative So it's it's actually proven to help you sleep. Yeah, unless you're looking at the computer screen Well, yeah, yeah, hopefully you're using your imagination and you're not using the computer screen Nowadays that's boring Sandy. Do you drink coffee or caffeine do you take caffeine during the day in the mornings? Okay, so first thing I would do is I would eliminate caffeine I know this sounds for a lot of people.  So that's the first thing I would do is I would slowly reduce or completely eliminate Caffeine the second thing I would do is I would do a sleep routine So I don't know if you've heard us talk about this before on the podcast But an hour before bed turn off all electronics or wear blue light blocking glasses. I would take it to another level I'd say as soon as the Sun goes down You either either one put on blue blocker glasses or shut lights down go by candlelight and really limit your salt lamps and all that Yeah, limit the amount of television phone or computer time at night Yeah, that makes that make those two things right there make the biggest difference and then in terms of supplements I've personally tried a lot of sleep supplements and There is nothing that even comes close to the Ned sleep blend. I that stuff is potent it works every single knock you out I mean we've done melatonin we've done all kinds of stuff and that was like the first time where I just went out like Literally like a brick that being said though check the big boxes. Yes, right? So I don't don't you I wouldn't Recommend to a client to use Ned and they're on their computer till midnight or staring at their phone in their bed Like I tell them to get rid of that stuff first and and or invest in something like a pair of blue blockers that you can wear When the when the Sun goes down those things should make a bigger difference and then like a cell said the caffeine Check the big boxes first and then if you're still having trouble then I would know how late are you eating too? so I Eliminate eating too close to bed because I've you know, I've been listening for a little bit. I Think the latest I'll have anything is maybe around the six or seven when I get off of work And then I was also I didn't know if maybe working out too close to bedtime Might affect it because typically when I get off of work. I'll have something small go to the gym and then I'll come back and shower and hit the rack. Yeah. Yeah, no working out About two hours within two to three hours before bed can definitely affect sleep negatively for some people And especially if you take a pre-workout, but if you do even if you don't the workout itself can make it difficult To go to sleep. So you want to give yourself at least a couple hours Before bed, but honestly if you eliminate the caffeine do the sleep routine You should notice a significant improvement and also remember this is a practice So it takes a week or two before you really start to see consistency in terms of how it's working So don't just do it once and then say oh, it didn't work. It's not working for me like anything else. It's a it's a routine It's a practice after doing it for about a week or two. You should notice some improvements Okay, all right. All right, man. Thanks. Thanks for calling in. Hey, thank you. I appreciate everything y'all do man Thank you man. Yeah, you know sleep you don't like my masturbation tip I mean why not and it doesn't make you guys sleepy right before or right after excuse me I haven't had good sleep. You know, it's always an option. Yeah Jesus There's a certain kind I mean that's L natural to do that's as natural as you can get yeah, I guess you're right You know what though seriously though It's you know, how many times I've towards the end of my career at least this wasn't at all for most of my career But towards the end just getting people to like kind of take it seriously just made all the difference Yeah, well, that's why I wanted to reiterate that after you guys went the Ned direction because I mean Ned's amazing as far as how it Works, but I'd always rather see a client first and check the big boxes for you if you're because almost Everybody especially today right today with our cell phones It's the root of it It's rare that I meet somebody now and I and if I asked like do you look at your phone in bed like when you're in bed Everybody does everybody does very few people I know have a good practice where they put their phone away or don't take it Or they watch TV before you right and the caffeine thing is huge for a lot of people even if they do it first thing in the morning So no they say don't have caffeine past I think 2 or 3 p.m. But I've worked with people where I don't matter any time I notice it with me So if I soon as I get over so like you know a pre-workout is like 300 350 like milligrams If I'm at 300 400 milligrams It don't matter if I have it at 6 o'clock in the morning or or not Yeah, it affects my sleep now It really affects my sleep if I do it beyond 3 4 o'clock in the afternoon But it don't matter even if I'm taking it in I just it's I'm not as not as relaxed when I go to bed at night