Fireworks in City could cost you $250 a pop. One more COVID case here, four more recovered, three car crash results and injuries. These and other local stories are coming up on this edition of Community News Review. This is Community News Review, service WSDS-TV News content provided by WHBL. I'm Banny Fister and this is Community News Review for Thursday, July 2nd, 2020. Want to lose $250 in a flash or bang? You could, that fine comes for every violation of Sheboygan's ordinances against the illegal discharge of fireworks in the city. With most public displays nixed due to the coronavirus pandemic, the Sheboygan Police Department says they are ready for the strict enforcement of the ordinance that prohibits the use or possession of fireworks, which means anything manufactured, processed, or packaged for exploding, emitting sparks, or combustion, which does not have another common use. Additionally, no person may sell, possess, use, or discharge any fireworks within the city, except those that are specifically approved by the Common Council and conducted by or on behalf of the city. They emphasize that this applies regardless if they purchased and possessed legally in other parts of the state. Much of Sheboygan County abides by the state law that does allow fireworks, but only those that stay on the ground. The Sheboygan Police Department says it is all about preventing the risk of personal injury, fire, and disturbing the peace and tranquility of neighbors, so just don't. Rescue crews were called to a three-car crash near Festival of Foods in Sheboygan on Wednesday night. Sheboygan Police say it happened just before 7 p.m., when a car heading south tried to turn left into the Taylor Heights Shopping Center at the stoplights. The driver of the car pulled into the path of a northbound car, and the impact of the crash pushed those two vehicles into a third vehicle waiting up at the light. The driver of this southbound car had to be freed by the jaws of life, and the 25-year-old woman nearing the northbound car and her five-year-old passenger were both taken to the hospital for treatment of minor injuries. The 25-year-old Sheboygan man who attempted the left turn was cited for failure to yield at the right away. One more positive result accompanied by 426 negative results were received by the Sheboygan County Division of Public Health, according to the Wednesday Daily Report. Four more persons have recovered, leaving 19 cases currently active in the county with no hospitalizations. 210 confirmed cases of COVID-19 have now been detected in the county, and 187 have recovered, and four have died. Included among the stats reported yesterday are those resulting from testing of the staff of correctional facility. Those tests, all negative, comprised of 270 of the day's total tests. Sheboygan County remains in phase two of its safe restart program, and due to the upcoming holiday, this week's report concerning that will be issued today instead of Friday, and that report will be published. The latest readings of the benchmark criteria used to trigger the next phase of the safe restart program. Wisconsin has recorded an additional 540 cases of the coronavirus, comprising 4.3% of all test returns, leaving 12,068 negative results, and another two persons have died, raising the statistics of COVID-19 death toll to 786. The County Division of Health Services noted that a change is anticipated on Friday concerning how the Wisconsin Department of Health Services reports their facility-wide investigations until now only names of long-term care facility investigations were released to the public by name. But the beginning of Friday, the publication of the names of all facility-wide investigations will be provided if there are two or more cases detective within one facility. County DHS also recommends the public that COVID-19 is still very conscious and continued vigilance by everyone is needed to control the spread. Mass gatherings are not advised at this time, especially given the Independence Day holiday, and there is no projected timeframe available as to when the advisory will change. People are safer at home, and trips should still be limited to only the essentials, putting at least six feet in between each person. When that is possible or impossible, a cloth-based mask covering should be worn at all times, and the only noted exceptions are unless it is unsafe, such as for a child under the age of two or those with respiratory problems. Also avoid hand washing frequently and avoid touching your face and enjoy the outdoors safely. Group camping for our groups of 50 or less will again begin allowed in the state parks beginning on Wednesday, July 13th. The Wisconsin DNR made the change and others as steps to manage the coronavirus pandemic and have been advanced. Those wishing to use the group campgrounds will need reservations in advance at any shelter, amphitheater, or group camping reservations that were made up through July 12th will be canceled and refunded. And if you made a reservation that was beyond the 13th, it will be automatically readjusted to your account from the beginning of that day. Other changes made by the DNR include the sale of firework or firewood at the select state parks. Limited special events for up to 50 people will be okay and you will now be able to use open-air shelters without taking reservations and social distancing are observed. To make those camping reservations online, visit HTTPSwisconsin.goingtocamp or call 1-888-947-2757. The Sheboygan County Memorial Hospital as of today becomes one of the select group given to special attention by National Weather Service forecasters. Our airport is joined today by the Southern Wisconsin Regional Airport near Janesville in becoming the state TAF sites. TAF stands for Terminal Aerodrome Forecast, a 24 to 30 hour service forecast for five nautical mile radius around the sun of the many airports around the country. Only a handful are designed as TAF sites before now the airport used a computer-generated product called a meter, which is simply an hourly snapshot of current conditions. The TAF though is a forecast produced by humans updated at least six four times a day every six hours and they take it into account local small scale geographical side effects. The upgrade is the latest in a series of important and the airport ground was broken late last year for a $5 million customs and terminal building slated for the completion of this month that will allow international flights through to fly directly to the airport and runway improvements will allow access by the craft as large as DC three. And finally Maywood announces a move to the earth miles for Maywood, a fundraiser outdoor activity fundraiser that will take place throughout the month of September. Proceeds will even go to support environmental, educational programs and the park improvement projects. This event will take place on the 21st annual earth ride event scheduled for September 19th, 2020. Earth miles for play Maywood will allow participants to show their support of Maywood while participating in their favorite outdoors activities such as running, biking, walking and paddling. Participants will be able to choose their activities, the date and the time to participate and where they participate. The decision to move to a virtual event came after looking at the many aspects of the Maywood earth ride and the health concerns around COVID-19. The Maywood earth ride drew approximately 400 years and 150 years who helped me raise financial funds for our environmental educational programs as a dark. As a park project after considering several possibilities to adapt our traditional earth ride, we determined to move to a virtual event for 2020 was the safest option for our participants and volunteers, host sites and staff. We hope to bring the Maywood earth ridge ride back in 2021 said that Angie Dahl, Maywood trust administrator, the proceeds of earth miles for Maywood will continue to support Maywood's program and projects that foster environmental stewardship through educational and outdoor activities that connect our community with the natural world. Information and registration options for the virtual earth miles for pro program for Maywood can be found at www.gomaywood.org or by emailing maywood at shabuiganwi.gov. And that is our report for today. Join me again on Tuesday for more local news and information on community news review. News content for this program provided by WHBL in cooperation with WSCSTB. This is community news review server. News content for this program.


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Karen, do you want to introduce us and why we're doing this? Yeah. Of course I do. Well, you can start. Is it time? It's magic. Is this the last session? It is. Woo! Hello, everyone, and welcome to the last session of the Legal and Policy Dev Room. We've had amazing speakers. It's been, like, just overwhelming having so many great, awesome topics in such short creative time. Having to choose from amongst all of the really strong proposals, especially when we had just one day, was so hard. And one of the things that happened when we were evaluating all of the proposals was that we looked at our own proposals. And what happens is when we all submit proposals, we wind up taking them sort of like whoever is submitting the proposal obviously isn't deciding on whether that proposal will get accepted or not. And we had multiple people wanting to submit proposals on the same things. And it was one of these things where we were like, there are just too many great talks from too many great people who aren't us. So we shouldn't have any sessions for us this time at all. So what we did instead was we put this panel together where we basically are able to haggle about some of the issues we care the most about or whatever seems the most relevant on the day. And we also wanted to have a community. We also had this sort of long-standing idea that we wanted to have a community participatory moment. And we're not going to get as much time for that as we'd like, but we wanted to have at least a time slot to use all the brain power that's here at FOSSTEM to talk about these issues. So my thought for this panel was that those of you who might have watched the old Daily Show with John Stuart, Lewis Black would sometime come on and he would say that he was going to find the news stories that fell through the cracks and catch them and bring them in his session in his bit. So one of the things I really want to do is some of the things that weren't covered today that were big stories or even small stories that we think should have been big stories this year and talk about those. One of them we'd like to talk about is the Linux kernel enforcement statement, which happened this year. And that's something that Karen and I from Conservancy were, well, we feel we were the catalysts of, although as you hear the story, it's sort of strange how it works out. So Conservancy published a few years ago, and actually we spoke on these in previous year dev rooms, the community-oriented principles of GPL enforcement. And it was co-published with the FSAF, correct. Sorry about that. And we put as one of the principles that we should treat every GPL enforcement matter as if the termination provision is GPL v3's termination provision, which is substantially more lax than GPL v2's termination provision. And we built a mailing list and we went around and did like a sort of a world tour kind of thing of getting feedback on the principles. Everybody did tend to like that particular one. I generally actually liked all of the principles. And we actually got inquiries from, actually grant likely at the Linux Foundation to sort of talk with him and explain more about that particular principle. We didn't hear much after that. But we then discovered that there was other things in the works. I'll turn that to Karen. Yeah, well, we knew that Grant was working on a statement with a lot of current developers and we had early input into that statement. We at Conservancy, because many of us were a lot of hats. And so we knew that had been ongoing, quite a lot of time where after there was... The next we heard about this was that kernel developers that were in the coalition that Conservancy has for kernel developers who choose to enforce their copyrights in the kernel, they were contacted with an email from Greg K.H., Greg Crow Hartman, about the fact that there would be a kernel enforcement statement that would be published very soon. And that what was interesting about it was that the email said, you're getting this email because you are a pretty major contributor to the most recent release of the kernel. So these are people who are identified as being very important contributors to the kernel. And by the way, this statement is going to be public and people will be signing on to it very, very soon. And if you have a few days, and if you have comments that are substantial, well that's too bad because there's no time to incorporate them now because we have already gotten the input from the corporations that need to be on board. So this was a really interesting thing to happen and very disappointing. I may have gone a little bit further than I had meant to in that summary. I realize now. But I mean this is the interesting thing. I mentioned in the beginning I talked this idea of the room where it happens. And it was clear that there were a lot of people that should have been in the room where that happened that weren't. The sausage, as you talk about the political sausage that gets made, that political sausage was actually very good. It embodied, from our point of view, that one principle among the many. It was something that actually conservancy from our organization were planning when it's actually officially an upstream and in Linus's tree we're going to sign on to it as a copyright holder, conservancy holds some copyrights in Linux and we are willing to agree to it and plan to do that. And I think the kinds of things that it's been a catalyst for elsewhere have created other similar statements. And Richard, I think you wanted to talk about Red Hat's statement that you all did. Yeah, so I was one of the people in that room for better or worse. So we at Red Hat were contacted by the Linux Foundation basically. And so we knew about this statement. I think I had kind of heard that something like that was in the works. So we decided, well, why don't we do something similar ourselves but covering not just our contributions to the Linux kernel but all GPLv2 and LGPLv2 and LGPLv2.1 code licensed by Red Hat, copyrighted by Red Hat. That's actually a lot of software because Red Hat has, those are in a sense, if you look at the whole body of code that Red Hat has released over the years, it's primarily GPLv2 and LGPL. So we published a statement that is very similar to the Linux kernel enforcement statement. It's a commitment to, a legally binding commitment to apply the GPLv3 termination provisions to that GPLv2 and LGPL to code. And we also got three other companies to join with us. Google, Facebook and IBM. And so that was our announcement. And we're actually trying to expand that list now and trying to get projects to sign on to something like our statement and other companies. So I'm just trying to understand, it's the core problem. I'm just trying to understand it from, you know, kind of a developer perspective. It's sound, I mean, I guess for a while I've been really, I sort of went in thinking about Linux, the kernel, as a GPL work, obviously very important and unusual, but that I sort of had this idea that the Linux foundation being named a foundation about Linux, about the kernel, that it would sort of obviously be all about enforcing the copyright of the work after which it's named. And so I was, I'm surprised by your statements because it makes me feel that maybe there are different classes of contributors that are super duper major, I don't know what you said, major contributors. And that there are maybe corporate lawyers that have some sort of an outsized say on what's going on in this community project. But I want to dial back the history to a thread I saw in the kernel, a kernel summit mailing list that had to do with things. And I seem to recall Linus and Greg K. H. kind of actively advocating against enforcement in favor of getting corporate contributions instead of individual contributions. And I'm wondering if you can clarify for me. I can comment on this right track. So no comment on that. But the point that you raise, there's a broader point that you're raising that I think we ought to pivot to. Karen, did you want to comment on that? I will. Okay. I thought no comment was better. It's in the past. I do actually, I do really want to comment on that, which is that the kernel summit discuss thread that Tom mentioned was a really interesting thread. I wouldn't recommend reading it. But I want to say that when Conservancy worked so hard on getting the principles of community-driven enforcement out, we specifically put up a discussion list and anticipated that this was a mechanism in which we could decide what enforcement is good and when and how. And so in some ways, that thread was really another part of that path. And as a result of it, we decided to have feedback sessions at major kernel events over the next year, which we did, and got uniformly positive feedback about enforcement. So I just wanted to say that because I think otherwise the statements sound a little out of context. But I think the broader point that you're raising, Tom, that I think is beyond Linux, I don't think it has to do with just Linux, has to do with most, I will actually say open source instead that's developed today, which is that the benefits that we've gotten, which are numerous from companies paying people to work on open source and free software, has also had the weird effect of meaning there are fewer and fewer independent contributors who keep their own copyrights, who make decisions about the project. So it's not a surprise that across most projects that are wildly popular with companies, which include a lot of projects, there is more and more corporate copyright being added and there's more and more corporate influence and developers are deeply in need of organizations and structures that give them a voice. Individual developer, the small consulting companies and that's something we're going to be looking at this year, at least a conservancy that we care about to try and do something about. So did you want to say on this point? Yeah, I just said it's a broader comment. When we were thinking about this session we were going to talk about not just like other things that have happened this year, but maybe like looking back on all of our dev rooms. And I think this is a theme that's touched on, been touched on by a lot of the talks, I mean certainly ones that you've given both here and elsewhere and I think actually one talks that I've given that this, there's been this problem, I'm not going to characterize it in the same way that you did, but there's been this problem of a loss of developer autonomy as open source, and I'll use the term open source deliberately, has become a great commercial success in a sense. And I don't think we really know all the answers to that yet, but I think it's an ongoing preoccupation of ours. Get back to my point. Which is that I did also want to draw one thing which is I really wanted to talk about when we originally had this panel, which was that the Kernel Enforcement Statement and the statement made by the companies where I think the statement made by the four companies, and I again underscore that all of these statements are very welcome. They are pieces of the principles that we published and have been advocating for at Conservancy, so we're thrilled. So by dwelling on some of these things and analyzing them and complaining about little pieces of how things, some things were done, that's just, you know, that's what you have in a legal and policy dev room. But the two statements were of a slightly different character in that the statement that the Linux Kernel Enforcement Statement is drafted like an actual exception to the license. It's written as an additional permission and it's included in the Kernel Tree, so it looks a little bit different in character than the statement made by the companies who made it basically a covenant and like a promise generally. It's just, it looks a little bit different from a legal perspective to me and that was originally the thing that we were hotly discussing that caused the genesis of this panel. So we can... Legally equivalent to an exception. I mean I don't know if this is such an important point. Yeah. So that's the first time I've ever gotten Richard not just at a live event but even on the phone privately to go on record about making a decision about something Red Hat believed. He's a good lawyer in that way. I'm kind of like overwhelmed by it that that just happened. But I do really want to, I'm sorry to aggressively switch to it but there's this story that's been going for a while that the lawyers in the room have probably followed it because it's your kind of stuff but I think many of the developers and even the general legal geeks might have missed it. There was a case going between Cisco and Arista regarding copyright of effectively command line interfaces. The idea that you can hold copyright on the things we type like LS-L and so forth. Now it's not regarding the UNIX command line interface, it's regarding Cisco's what they call iOS, which they called iOS long before Apple had something called that, interface that other companies try to imitate because you go to big corporate trainings to learn how to modify, not modify because it's a proprietary software, configure is what I meant, yes, Cisco routers. And they are claiming that no one else can imitate that interface. Okay, if this had been the rule of the land when RMS started GNU, it would have never happened because he would not have been allowed to write all the UNIX commands one by one and give them the same command line options. So it's very disturbing. There's a question back there. Yeah, the question is, you're asking is what Cisco trying to sort of copyright over both those things or one of them? I'm actually, I don't know the answer to that question. The question is, there's different ways that the, if you think of the UNIX shell, the analogy I used, the UNIX shell works in various different ways. It has commands with command line interfaces and then when you write a shell script, you use many of those and they're actually all separate programs like copy and LS and so forth. And the question is, is Cisco trying to sort of copyright on all of it, just the command line options? I don't actually know the answer to that. I haven't read all every last filing of the case. I don't know, I don't expect none of the panelists do. The fortunate thing is that a risk to one, and it was not to clear copyright, once Cisco is appealing. Because a case, to be clear about this, people who aren't lawyers, I mean I'm a non-lawyer and I've learned this from lawyers, cases are never over until all the appeals are done. They're still ongoing. They're not done complete. When you hear about a decision either way, it's always, almost always, if it's important there's going to be an appeal and that's what's happening here. So this case is not over, just step one was one. So yeah, sorry, this seems to be a lot of questions. Well, it doesn't necessarily mean it's fine with Cisco. They may have other reasons they pecked Arista as a target and not someone else, etc., and so on. So they may want to win this case and then go through Dell next. And I wouldn't be surprised if they did if they were to win on the appeal. And actually I was sad to see a very small number of organizations in our community filed an amicus brief. Conservancy signed onto it. The lead amicus was GitHub. There were three or four other organizations. Mozilla and Engine Advocacy were the other two and we signed onto that amicus brief. And one of the things that I'm very proud of we said in the amicus brief is that I've publicly said I'm not a fan of various parts of GitHub because it's proprietary software. But Conservancy also has Git as a member project and Git has lots of ways to inter-operate with GitHub through the command line. And I think that's just fine and I do not believe, I will go on record saying something, that's inter-operating through the command line of Git as published by our Git developers and using that to interface with GitHub through its URLs is somehow a GPL violation. And actually if this case goes the wrong way it would be. So that's very, very disturbing. Now Karen, I want to hand it to you to talk a little bit about the legal defense if you want to. I could, but I think that given that we have not that many much time left why don't we open it up to questions in case the people have things we want to talk about. Like are there any, we could do like and ask us anything. Okay, here first. Oh, we'll repeat. Is the case that Kristoff brought against VMware on GPL enforcement, is it finally resolved? And the answer is Bradley was saying about appeals, it's currently on appeal. So maybe we should have someone to talk about how they feel. Let me take a stab at this. This is an ongoing case and you probably may not be at liberty to comment about. Okay. I think it's, my understanding is that it's ongoing and there may be some technicalities but it's not resolved. The question was really like do you feel like it's going to be successful on appeal? I'm going to take it. I know. And I'll just say that, so the lower court decision is a very interesting one because it was, the case was thrown out on an evidentiary point which is a really, if you take a look at the case at the judgment, it's really on a very strange technicality and I was sort of scratching my head over it until a lawyer who was not connected to the case, who is a German lawyer published a memo that said basically that the decision was very out of left field and said that they believed that the decision violated Kristoff's constitutional rights. So seeing a third party lawyer make an opinion like that on a memo published on their website, you know, I think it's interesting. It doesn't indicate whether or not the case will go in what direction. Someone did say that the decision read to, German lawyer said that the decision read to them like the lower court didn't want to have to be the ones to make the decision on such an important point and so they found something that would allow them to not decide it. And in fact, so I only read it into, I'm actually, I'm going to skip the queue and jump to work for him because he may have read the decision in German. Oh, you were there. So I was going to throw it to work for him in a second, but one of the things I read in the English translation of the decision was that they said we received a CD, a CD by the way, which I prepared, that can, or helped, I actually helped Kristoff prepare it, that contained the copyrighted material of Kristoff Hellwig, but we did not know what to do with it. So I almost feel like they didn't have a CD round drive. Like that's the way it read. Like, did you put it in and load up and we had all the code that Kristoff contributed? Anyway, what were you going to say on this case? Well, it's going to be hard for him to come forward. He's trapped. So I was there in Hamburg at the court and one thing I think which was very memorable is that the court as the judge acknowledged the huge crowd. So usually they have, there are just one or two people sitting there and there's a whole bunch of people and he acknowledged that and mentioned that he's aware that this judgment could have a major influence. So that's what he said and now follows my interpretation as they chickened out. But this is purely my speculation. So I just wanted to comment on Bradley's comment about and I guess Richard's follow up on corporate copyrights and large open-source projects and the lack of influence of individuals and things like that. This is kind of old school but there is an organization that explicitly addresses this and they're called Apache. So we have 15 people probably contributing significantly to projects. Some of them are on PMC's. One of them has been joined the foundation and they are all explicitly acting as individuals because that is this explicit governance in Apache projects. So the model exists. Other projects just need to adopt it. I think we don't have a lot of time. I just was going to say that I don't think that this would necessarily solve the problem that we have in this case particularly because there are individual contributors that are very well respected that are contributing to the Linux kernel. I think that the question is what are the political machinations that include some of those people to be included at some times and others to not be included at others. Okay. So I have a theoretical question on open-source software. You're supposed to not restrict usage of the software and how it is to be used but what is free software? It says free software means a software that respects users freedom and community. That's what it says on GNU page one. So my question is you're not allowed to restrict on for instance do no harm but GNU basically says well you're not supposed to hurt people's freedom but suppose in one way you're not allowed to restrict it and on the other hand if you don't restrict it it may be used for privacy violation


Alrighty, so I have a construction update for you guys today, or I guess a pre-construction update for you guys on Elpin Which is a really interesting topic of discussion It was actually a part of the seven-part series that I'm working on so I might as well just all do it together But in yesterday's video it was brought to my attention that I threw this up on the screen and did not even describe to you guys What I was doing with these measurements So this is a this is a document that I didn't make This is a document that is Something that Wonderland and every company in Canada has to do when they're surveying So these are surveying points and basically I drew up measurements for launches that would go from where I think the station would be located and It would either launch out of the left side or the right side and depending on which there are the lengths Based off of these lengths and knowing that Thunderbirds is about 60 meters in length for the launch Launching out of the right side of that thing at 118 meters seems about right. It would be taller than Thunderbirds So it would need a lot more Length to launch and it would also I would assume hopefully fingers crossed have a pre-show Building before the launch so that as well So this is kind of what I just drew up those are the meanings behind those two lines with the measurements on them So I just wanted to explain those in detail. I can't believe I forgot to say that in the video Sometimes it gets so excited. I just like kind of rant and ramble and forget about the main point of the video Well, some new survey markings the 800. So now we are looking for 800s in Wonderland I've noticed that all the codes are numbered and matched. So 800s is a specific project So these survey markings I've come to the conclusion are for the themed area Alpen So it looks like and this is just an assumption by me at the current moment But I have heard rumblings a few things which I'll discuss in this video as well That Alpen is going to get a refresh and kind of be brought back to life at Canada's Wonderland right now It is half of what it used to be and it is almost in decay It doesn't necessarily make sense and it kind of is sloppy. So I'm pretty excited that this has the possibility to be something that is going to happen and Even furthermore some of the rumors that I've heard is grab-and-go might be on its way out over the next couple years To make room for a little something and that they're gonna redo the thunder run station and actually put in an elevator And remove the exit ramp Now that is an assumption or a rumor. So please take that with a grain of salt But I have heard rumblings and you've heard me tease a little bit that Thunder Run Station was gonna get some rework And that makes sense Especially if you're gonna be launching a wing coaster or some sort of heavy B&M into the mountain You're gonna have to rework some of that structure and maybe some of the current structure That's in there doesn't align with the newest project. So that could be a part of it as well So I'm really excited to see what's going to happen But with the ruins themed coaster and the ruins themed section and Alpen getting a huge kind of like Refresh, it's really exciting to see Canada's Wonderland so concentrated on enhancing the theming around the park So I'm really excited to see what this is all gonna lead to Not quite sure of the year So I was starting to think that Thunder Run was gonna maybe get just a refresh for the 2024 season And that made me think that okay, they can easily slap on some theming and rework the station It's not that hard of a job But now that I see these survey markings popping up so late and that it looks to be a whole area refresh I'm not so confident that this is gonna be a 2024 Project so I mean it still could be because at the end of the day it's very easy to just kind of go in there and demolition the the station and kind of redo a new one but Also on top of that if you're kind of gonna add some other rides like where the bumper cars are located like you saw there They surveyed that building And maybe bring back some classics then it's gonna require a lot more work and that would have been announced So I definitely am thinking that this could potentially be for the 2026 season So we'll have to wait and see and it also could be done in phases as well I mean look at Frontier Canada They build one ride and then they kind of build another the other year So we could see that as well One of the main topics of discussion that you're gonna see continuously discussed especially on the podcast and in Videos especially the seven part series is Canada's Wonderland seems to be going back to basics in terms of their original history So we're seeing that in a lot of these original artists renderings with Thunder Run station that could potentially be coming to life Frontier Canada coming to life and the World Expo Potentially coming back to life as well So Alpin Frontier Canada and World Expo all coming back to life is a really cool thing to be happening And I'm kind of excited to see what Cedar Fair has in stock for Canada's Wonderland because it's just a lot of attention to detail now So I'm really excited. Hopefully you guys are excited and definitely be keeping your eyes on the Alpin area of the park So we have so many areas we got to be watching now. You got to be watching Kingswood The ruins area. I'm gonna just refer to it as the ruins area from now on so international show place Frontier Canada even down the road and the International Street and front gate and Yeah, it's just a lot of projects. So this is really exciting I know that you know Wonderland gets a lot of slack for being kind of like, you know One of the bigger parks in the Cedar Fair chain, but not a lot to love So it's really exciting to see the transformation of a kind of like regional park to a destination park And I mean it's a lot of work up ahead But it's gonna it's gonna pay off and I'm really excited to see what they do with our park Anyways, thanks so much for watching guys. Have a good one. Bye


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Manufacture is that is that is that I'm assuming that's why that's a big deal Some companies definitely produce more carbon than other companies for sure well not more. This is saying it's neutral I don't know how they would make it neutral I don't necessarily get that So but I do know that the the certification process to get climate neutral certified It's vigorous and they go in and you in order to get it you have to be one of the cleaner companies I think it's that and then what else are you're probably potentially putting back in that's good Would that be have something to do with it? Maybe because you plant trees, right? Right. Oh, yeah, that's how you become neutral. I because it's inevitable if you're Manufacturing something right. It's not just that they don't have an opinion on either one I don't think I'm Switzerland What's your opinion on carbon? Neutral sorry, we got to reach out to our guy there. Oh, he's always forward-thinking man They're always doing something. I can't even keep up with how much they give back I think it's pretty cool what Brian's been doing over there for quite some time Totally part of the reason why we partnered with him dude So you know how because of what's going on everybody's doing like zoom Conferencing call conference calls and zoom classroom. Yeah, everybody's working from home or whatever Zoom-a-zoom zoom and have you heard of the you know, you've heard the stories, right? We're like that the employee in the conference doesn't know that this mic is on right and they're taking a dump Oh, yeah, people are you know walking around naked in the background or people's kids screaming Well, there was this reporter the Spanish reporter that was doing a live, you know journalism thing on on his YouTube channel or whatever this live, you know reporting thing and In the background His mistress now. Yeah, dude. She's walking around. She walks by naked. What and he gets caught cheating on his wife On camera.  Yeah, no, he gets caught cheating on camera try getting around what a way to find out How do you deny that yeah wife's home watching it? Sorry broadcast today. You got something to tell me change the channel. We got to watch dad real quick, okay? I love watching his new stuff.  No. Oh, so he he got so his his wife Was arrested for putting a gun to his head now. She took the magazine out but didn't realize there's a round in the chamber That's why that's why she's in trouble But I guess she walked in on him and his brother Naked with two other mistresses Yeah, that just hit the news yesterday. Wow We love it's not worth it.     Wasn't it left? I love heads that like burned down her husband's house or whatever. Did she really yeah? Oh TLC was that they were great. I love them. Yeah on the way to Reno You can see they're still touring the two of them are really. Yeah, they're just TLC. Yeah, they're chasing waterfalls Yeah, I saw I saw a billboard Are you guys are you guys watching all the news right now on just all these gyms that are slowly starting to open up and the Regulation happening. This is not gonna be good. It's wild. So big big clubs. Let me find it Post-apocalyptic it's just they're opening up with these new with and they're releasing kind of their strategies like how we're gonna reopen So Bay clubs this was in in a local You know news outlet Bay clubs talked about what they're gonna be doing and how they're gonna reopen They're gonna be reopening so they're gonna be taping off 10 by 10 Pods so 10 by 10 spaces that are considered workout pods and you're going to be reserving these 10 by 10 Workout spots up pods the they're gonna be limiting their capacity at 25% So said so 75% less people. Yeah now can use their facilities. There's no way. That's a strange vibe That's gonna be for group classes like yoga. There's gonna be tech taped boxes on the floor So you have to stay in that little segment. You cannot bring your own mat There I mean the sports courts are gonna be repurposed with cardio equipment So they have room for you know spacing spacing them way out Gyms are just not that profitable to start with and there's been a misconception forever in our space that they're just Money-makers. Yeah, they're not they are not mass and there's always exceptions the rule There's models or there's franchises or there's bubbles that happen, you know curves for an example Sure, if you got in on the front end of curves, you might have got rich being the first, you know 500 people that got into that business, but I mean look where it's at today So there's bubbles right now that have happened in our space that are extremely popular They're trendy right now people are making decent money off of them But long-term wise gyms in general just don't profit a ton of money they interviewed the the COO of 24 fitness Carl sanft and They said so what do you think about like when they reopen and stuff and so it's just being typical, you know You got it. You got to have the marketing phrase, right? Oh, of course.  Yeah Okay, no, we were there really young Justin was there young too, but not as young as you and I do you remember when That started to come together for you like just the corporate bullshit Like I remember, you know being on the morning emails in my like early 20s and like so bought into the company and like You would get a message like that and you're like and you would spin it to your staff. Yeah, dude It's gonna be amazing this new thing.  Yeah, yeah Imagine for you imagine now re-imagine it, right?  Well, it doesn't just say the Patriot Act opposite Opposite anything that says freedom opposite Well, Justin said is a great point too is that that when they would roll out comp plans I mean I remember so I was there spin that I was there for oh, yeah I was there ten years and in the ten years. I had to hand out to my staff eight different comp plans so basically almost one a year and By about the you know, third one I think I started a piece together like wait a second This is not ever in the favor of my staff and that it's obviously once you really understand business and Scaling something to that magnitude a comp plan change is always in the favor of the company That's an easy way for them to save money right but when they would put it out They would position as an opportunity for you to make more money. So if you've learned to create a new position You know that you could like, you know advance to we're gonna pay you less hourly But look if you sell this much more you actually could make more money per year Try harder.  I I liked it I loved I loved work. It's I still today sometimes miss it. I mean, I was a fun environment I would never replace it for what we've created for ourselves here I mean, I've never loved something as much as as what we get to do now But I did I did love the atmosphere it fed right into my personality just I was around lots of people It was a team environment. It was competitive lots of energy Everybody that's coming into that place either working there or working out are there to better themselves And so that environment I just I ate it up dude I loved it and I remember as the comp plans always got worse and worse and and I always found a way I was the the small percentage of even though the comp plan got shittier. I found a way to still make more money Knowing that it probably hurt the other 90% and so I was okay And I always said man if you would have to pay me Probably close to double what I was making there to convince me to leave after a while It's like a system and you're just there and you're doing you're enjoying it. Yeah, super hard. No By by year five or six I was I had really, you know Got comfortable with what I needed to do to be successful and felt good and you know And in my area I built a name for myself. So yeah, no, it was it was it was fun. I used to have a lot of fun I remember one time to try to sell more apparel because you know in the in the front of the club We'd sell workout clothes to sell more apparel I had a couple of my sales guys put on the girls like workout apparel And I'd make them go taking a rubbish class or whatever and then we'd make announcements You know go to the take the class and watch Paul where you know Well, you were you were at Hillsdale when they did that did the the runway show didn't they wasn't that When you were there was that not when you were there.  Well, we've been talking just amongst ourselves about investing You know our own personal money and when you when you're you know when you're trying to invest I think it's really smart by the way. I'm not an investment expert So just this is my own opinion But I think it's smart to kind of stay in your lane because it helps you with your temperament You know because if I invest in it in fitness companies I can weather the storm more knowing what's happening with the trends And so we've been talking about investing in companies like Peloton right Peloton is a it's a publicly traded company And we figure God it's probably gonna they're probably gonna do well Because more people are gonna work out at home less people working out at gyms So we've been talking about this for a while and we were we were all talking about getting shares like the other day None of us did wake up this morning. They're up like, you know, five or ten dollars, right?  I'd said to and I should have known better. This is the worst person The work of the sleepy bear to tell this to is Adam, right? I send him, you know tax.  He's conference calls everybody Bro, Adam's like the stock remember this is the number one rule of investments in stock market by low say hi The market's already it's already got up and I was like put all the money But I do think Peloton is is it is gonna be a good an interesting I mean, this is my again my own personal investment But I think this will be an interesting place to look because they're a tech company, right? Like for the most part So they they have a good I think the infrastructure for that business is sound in terms of like what they're trying to Create like this new platform of how to create the experience of it Like tech companies need to be the ones driving that but also, you know, the fitness element of it is It's definitely gonna evolve more into the home at home They're bike sales 66% went up 66% increase in bike those are expensive those bikes They are and of course a lot of that's driven from COVID, right? Of course there was a bunch of people that would had probably been on the fence for a long time that were considering getting one And because now they're stuck at home, I mean, I have a handful of people very close to me That's exactly what happened. So that to me isn't the major indicator They've just established themselves in a space that is I don't think it's gonna go away anytime soon No, it's gonna grow right and they're sure the only real competitor They have right now is SoulCycle SoulCycle's done their bike They have a very strong hold on that the cycling community already So if you are already in love with that brand, so they're gonna have they're gonna have a piece of the pie, too But it's still brick and mortar like that's their specialty, which is gonna take a bit for them to transition Right. I mean, but I could argue with that that that's also why it'll do well because they've already established a strong community They have a strong community and then they pivot into something else. It's just like us. They got the fans Yeah, if we were to pivot anything related to fitness, even if it has nothing to do with what we currently do right now I would think that we would do okay because we have a community already So SoulCycle has done that they will own a piece of the the pie But I just think that Peloton is is so far ahead of everybody in that space that they will be competitive For years to come and that's why I like that and they're also not just going to be the bikes They're going to offer other. Yeah, they already do right and it's they're going to keep growing with that and if you think If like again, this is our space, right? We're in the fitness space And so I think our opinion is much more than just the gas I think we have a pretty educated opinion. Of course, we could totally be wrong But I think in the near future. I don't know what it's going to look like in 10 years or five years But I think in the next year It's I can pretty confidently say that gym attendance will be lower. That's my that's my my confident Yes, or estimation, but I don't think less people are going to be working out I think what you're going to see is more working out at home.  I don't see there I don't see them slowing down. Yeah. In fact, I think they're going to start going up as we continue Oh, yeah, you're making fun of me of saying buy by buy, but that's how I feel. I feel like it's not But this is where I'm not I'm not an expert at reading the market and watching and trying to time a perfect buy This is just this. Yeah, this is our space and it's like I would still bet that where it's at even with the spike today It'll be still much higher than that a year two year three year from now It's it's a buy and hold in my opinion.  This is too much. Did you see elon? Who you just partnered with no tom cruise. Why I'm gonna tell you dude Tom cruise been making moves man Like I brought him up not too long ago obviously because of top gun and how he's trying to do all these revolutionary ways to film Being up in the air with these fighter jets and everything and like bringing in that iMac's experience like Legit inside the cockpit Well, he's taken it to a whole another level by now partnering with space x and nasa And they're they're already in plans of of shooting an action movie in space Wow, mr. Scientology himself. I was just gonna say I think tom cruise just wants to try to get closer to lord zeno He just wants to go to planet zeno or whatever build build his own westworld. I don't know that might be something man He's making moves. You guys saw elon had a kid. Did you guys see that? I didn't you didn't see what he named his kid Yes, no, I did. Okay. How do you pronounce that? Oh, really?  I know really smart people know and so I think if you pronounce like alien hieroglyphics You know, I haven't seen it pull it up. I want to see what his name is kyle. Come on. I think it's kyle I think if you pronounce it, it's kyle. Oh, come on. It's like remember when prince changed his name to that symbol Yeah, yeah, so, you know either really call him elon son elon son Okay, was that because he was getting himself out of a record contract though. I think there was something behind that Why he did that so he was able to kind of like get bypassed and kind of loophole. I tell you what dude I so bad. I'm not like this normally. This is not at all the kind of personality that have or who I am But I really want to be elon's friend. Oh, he's dude. He just was on rogan again I can't wait to listen. You don't think he would be awkward Bro, I love weird people. Of course he'd be awkward. I mean we all like weird people but as a friend Huh, I think he'd be great. No, I would love to sit down Bro, it's it just it doesn't whether you believe in God or not. It just doesn't work out that way, dude You get you get all one way conversation get all this brilliance. You get social awkwardness. That's just part of it Dude, it just comes with the cards.  Like imagine sitting down with him smoking a joint and be like Hey, man, what do you think about a flying car? It probably would feel as awkward as he is adam It would probably feel as awkward as that interview did That was great. It was awkward. You think so? Yes, it was great because everyone got to see him get high But it was awkward. Yeah, see there's the name right there. Doug. Can you you can't expand that can you? It's like it's those letters right there. Watch. What does that say? It's like x a e a dash 12 that's 12 and that's kyle that means kyle How do you get kyle out of that?  He's gonna be all yeah, you probably be half cyborg Yeah, exactly. He's the he's already preparing to be a cyborg. I'm sure he's gonna neural link him and everything right away Did you guys see our buddy, uh, james smith joda franko's partner? Did you see what happened to him?   Oh, I mean we talked about this off-air I don't think we talked about on air that we were speculating that already like, you know With six hundred and what seventy percent increase in at home equipment sales You know, there's a lot of opportunities that see that are like, oh man There's going to be some suckers that are going to buy into this for sure Dude, I saw somebody post on what is it on facebook where you could buy things that's uh Isn't there like a segment there where you could sell anyway? They have like a segment there where you can buy and sell stuff Someone was selling a crappy home gym equipment, you know, it wasn't even olympic barbell It was the skinny barbell with the little skinny weight all of them rusty the bench Had tape on it keeping it from you know tearing in half or whatever The dude was selling for like two thousand dollars. Did you see the meme? Did you see the meme the meme that's going around and someone posted an art form this It was a meme of you know, like there was four. It was a quadrant, right?  You know how they're they actually in in europe spain has one of the higher rates of Covid and they're trying to you know, take care of the whole situation But people are up in arms because the spanish government there Did something a little controversial What's up? They sprayed their beach with bleach.  That was my thought Yeah, oh my god. So environmentalists are all up in arms because of all that they're killing How could something like that even get passed to get done? There's got to be somebody who had to to sign a brain idea to sign off on that Yeah, good idea. Let's fly some bleach over that just drop it on bleach kills everything exactly How do we how do we solve this problem? Wait, doesn't bleach kill it? Just kill everything. Yeah, let's all drink it Nuket yeah idiots anyway, so that and then there's this this these inventors that came out with one thing about Emergencies and scary situations is sometimes it pushes or oftentimes it pushes innovation Through the roof apparently there's this This surface that you can put on things that makes them makes them antibacterial for like Years so you can like cover a table in this This is just in a test But they can cover it with the spray that then will make it antibacterial for like a year or Scotch car. Yeah, you say Scotch car Teflon It's called stains. Yeah, that's not the same thing. How Scotch card works.  No, dude. That's not the same thing Hey, I was I saw our good buddy, uh, jordan sciat posted something In defense of Adele and I oh, dude, I tried to look it up and I didn't know obviously I saw her picture. She just she just like one of those people who like post like once every six months Everybody goes bananas one of the most talented Singers. I've seen her live. Oh, yeah. Oh, absolutely her. She puts on an amazing show She like does this a whole thing where she like Kind of like tell why I liked it so much was it I wasn't like an Adele diehard fan or some shit I just went to the concert And when I went there, I learned all about her through through her singing So between every song she kind of tells her story. Oh, that's just a really cool way And she's so talented. She's someone who could sit on a stool and sing her whole concert and you're like blowing away Yeah, very very talented. So here's what happened. It's gonna get you guys are gonna get annoyed by it But anyway, so she lost a ton of weight. Okay Posted a picture her posted a picture of it. Okay Uh and people were congratulating her Now other people are up in arms and saying that congratulating someone for losing weight Is body shaming people because you shouldn't celebrate wait, is that still happening? Because come on didn't this whole like pandemic kind of uh put a uh backhand slap to that? No, no, apparently not So people were like congratulations. Oh my god. That's so great And then other people were like well, you shouldn't celebrate that because your body's shaming And that's not always a good thing and this and that can you what the hell's going on here? It's just that's I mean this needs to end. Yeah, I'm I'm done, you know pandering to that stuff Bro, is it just gonna get worse health is health.  I know I when we get like this. I feel like man. I do we just accept it Dude, this is the direction that we're going. It's gonna be so pick your battles. That's not one I honestly, you know what? I think honestly. I think it's number one It's a lot of virtue signaling and what does that mean?  So you signal out. You're not actually virtuous I'll give you guys an example We have a friend who always talks about how we need to pay more taxes because it helps more people pay more So I I asked her I said well, how much more do you pay in your taxes? She's like, well, I don't I said well, you can you know There's a form in your taxes. You can actually pay more if you want to of course you don't Because you're virtuous signaling you want everybody think you're a good person reality is Your actions actually show that you don't believe what you say So I think people want to virtue signal and show everybody how oh, yes This is not this is body shame and then the other thing too is I honestly think people need To feel like they have a voice and so they just they find a way to be enraged over something silly like someone losing weight It's just insane to me. So apparently you can't control you can't congratulate Her for weight loss because it's body shaming people. Yeah, that's horseshit. Yeah, what is the world? I posted that image. It came up on that. I know you guys follow. I think that instagram the historic instagram page You guys follow that don't you? Yes. Yeah, the today's post they posted was the The jungle gym in like 1920. Oh, I know you've seen that image. No kid would have survived It's like 40 feet in the air like monkey bars. Oh, dude. Oh, yeah, I had those vertical ladders. Yeah, I remember that I posted in my story today because I'm like and I literally so it's funny. You bring this up I mean, obviously none of this was planned and I it was just on my mind like we are just getting so soft You know I'm saying like this is just could you imagine if someone built that right now? Like that would be insane, bro. I'll tell you what when I talk any time I talk to my grandfather I feel like the biggest like wuss of all time anytime My grandfather remember this is true now. It's a hundred percent true story My grandfather at the age of 11 11 years old would sneak onto trains sometimes have to ride on the top of them at 11 years old travel to other towns Try to sell food potatoes because he'd have potato whatever Try to make money get back on a train Come back home and sometimes this was two days later to bring the money to his mom 11 years old So what I think is that a society gets easier and easier. We just all become Weaker and weaker and we're just society's so easy now that we have Oh, I know my grab was in two wars and then was stationed up in Alaska and got uh frostbite on his foot And almost had to cut his foot off and his foot was just disgusting after that, you know It's just like what are we complaining about? Yeah, now you have an ingrown toenail. Yeah, you have to take the day off work Well, it's it's funny when you think about the unintended consequences from this is that You know, we've made it easier for ourselves physically, but it's probably arguably mentally more challenging now because of that, right? Well, it's different. I'd say the mental challenges are still they were trust me They were challenged back then But the difference is it's a different type of challenge. Well, they were challenged more physically, right? You know not being able to get not being able to get food. Sure, but that's mentally challenging Yeah, but I mean it switches you over to survival mode real quick. You're gonna die if you don't eat I mean that's a whole different than like pondering how I feel about myself for months at a time My great grandmother had like 15 kids nine survived.  Yeah, but I would think that makes you more mentally resilient because of that I think it changes your perspective for sure.  It's probably it's probably true Oh, thank god. You only lost a hand. Come here. You're good now. All right. Go back to school We are turning into old men listening to us talk right now. We totally are It's happening when I talked to my kids about like school and stuff like that I was talking to my son and I'm like, have you ever seen a Fight at school. He's like The almost was a fight one. I mean like a verbal one on face. This guy yelled. Yeah, you know I know that there's schools where fights and stuff like that happen But just my comparison from how I grew up to my kid Like my son's a freshman and he's never seen a fist fight at school.  Like one of my friends got punked and bullied so hard They made him like strip down naked and climb up the flag post in front of everybody. Wow your batteries at them. Yeah It was messed up, bro. It was messed up. Wow, dude. We're freshmen, you know, that's what they did freshman I mean, I got thrown at a dumpster as a freshman, but that was it. That was the extent of it Oh, I was so glad didn't happen to me by the time I was a freshman I probably got into a dozen fights at school and after school and a lot of stuff even more than that It was just You know, and I'm not saying it was better. I think that's a bad thing But there are bad things that happen to you have the potential to teach you Good lessons.  So like he's like, well, how do you like? What if you hit someone? What does that feel like?  Yeah, give me some jiu-jitsu now. Yeah, that's the move Randomly push him down the stairs every now and then, you know Just throw some Challenges like a random fact. I've been like meaning to lay on you guys here Dude, so I my mind was blown because I was like looking up all these like creature things and there was This article about tarantula and how it has its own pets Tarantulas have their own pet has a pet like it keeps a frog around and they have this like mutual understanding What that the frog will basically Uh eat all the insects around while it's it's laying its eggs So this is all for like it's trying to protect its eggs while it's going out to hunt and do all this stuff And so the frogs they're eating Insects while the spiders out hunting.  Well, so it allows the the frog to stay there with him. But why? Protection, I don't know Yeah, wait, I'm confused here. Okay.  I know this Maybe gets eaten later. It sounds like one of my son's child books. I still can't figure out You know, I'm saying like I don't understand this. No, it's okay. So yeah So the the frog like like it allows him to live.  He makes sense No, he's he's there. He gets he gets an abundance of bugs that come through there, you know to protect them Okay, so the frog stays there eats bugs. Yes the tarantula doesn't eat the frog But why does a tarantula leave the frog because he's just cool with him. Yeah That's that's the summary of the story. That's and this is a true thing. This is true. This is true Did you find an image of it? It's a frog pet Yeah, all right. Well, yeah, how's it a pet? How are they not just for homies? I don't know. Maybe they're friends, but it seems like it's a little bit You know one sided one sided like it could eat him at any minute. Now when you read this Were you did you have an edible? Yeah Probably you might have confused two stories. No, I don't understand why you guys don't get this I guess well because I'm trying to picture it. So first of all, I don't understand what the mutual agreement is Well, yeah, where do they like first of all? Tarantulas live underground in holes, right? Right and frogs are like in puddles and I guess he goes to sleep there. Where are they chilling at? Oh, wow, these are like huge difference in size here. Yeah, so the tarantula is massive And maybe he's just saving the frog to eat later. Well, that's what I thought But I guess not like he's he's cool with having right It's almost like, you know how that shark has like the cleaner fish That that like cleans all the parasites off of them. Oh the the frog protects the spider's eggs. That's what I was saying You did not explain that well. Did you understand that? I understand it in my head I don't know why you guys aren't getting this Hey, you tell it like the children's story Like just like three words and I got I've got a piece together Choose your own adventure this frog better be careful. I don't trust spiders at all I feel I feel the same way. I know right? I don't know like the first frog that was you know He was like cool with like when did that happen? You have to describe the audience too that the difference in size. Oh, sure. It was a tiny frog. Yeah, it's a little I guess I should explain it was a tiny fright. I was I was imagining like two the same size and like What are they how they work together?   So it's like nothing So it's not they walk on roads and everything.   Well, they get big ones.  I Sorry, that's australia, but that's the only reason why early spiders. Yeah, if you could if you could create a spider-free zone Then we might come down and do a live show that That would kill that can happen From a virus whatever dude spiders. I got agreed one more weird one more weird thing They found an antibody That combats the the covid 19 virus. You know where the antibody comes from Snakes llamas. Oh, what? Yeah, llama. There's a llama. We're just trying everything wait. Yeah, really? Yeah Lava's produced apparently is antibody that is anti covid So they're examining this to see what does that mean? Uh, so if we inject theoretically, you have covid we inject you with llama antibody Those antibodies neutralize the virus.   Yeah, how did that come up? John write down all the animals It's working alpaca didn't work what else we got Let's try that one First question is from just a young in How do you train someone that only wants to commit to one to two workouts a week very carefully? Yeah, that's it next but now this is this I I like this question. Here's why when I was a new trainer When people would tell me that they can only work out one or two work times a week I literally would think that's a waste of time and in fact, I know I turned away potential clients because They refuse to commit to working out at least three days a week or four days. Oh, you're not ready yet Yeah, in fact part of my strategy when I was a new trainer I've always, you know, enjoyed, you know discussing and being persuasive, right? So I get this person in front of me and I'd say how many days a week can you commit to the gym? And they'd say oh just one day a week and then the rest of the time My goal was to persuade them to commit To three or four days a week because in my eyes one day a week just wasn't effective Now I realized After years of doing this literally five or six five years maybe That it was a terrible strategy The strategy was terrible because the reality is if you're going from zero days a week of working out to any more than that Days of working out that's a benefit and on top of that the it's not just a physical benefit It's beneficial because the way people develop long-term Behavioral changes typically is a little bit at a time. So later on my strategy became Hey, I can only work out one day a week and I'd say no problem We'll design a workout around that and make sure it's as effective as possible As far as how would I train someone? Well, if I'm only training once or twice a week first off a lot of it depends on the person If I need to focus a lot on mobility work, which is usually the case with a brand new client Then most of my workout is going to be mobility work As they progress and they need less and less of that special focused mobility work more of it goes to Traditional resistance training if the person comes to me and they don't have tons of mobility issues Um, then I'll do a normal priming session or you know warm up for example And then I'm doing just a full body resistance training routine and it's mainly revolving around compound lifts You know squats and overhead presses and rows and that kind of stuff So I I would do exactly the same thing except uh, we're I guess another depends right is Sometimes somebody who says one to two times a week It's because they're saying that like maybe just saturday and sunday They have an option to work out and so the days are back to back So that's the only way I would split it I agree with sal someone who's uh probably only able to commit to one or two days a week is probably Also the clients that probably need a lot of mobility So I would say that the bulk of my training would be would be focused around their posture and and dealing with any Sort of chronic pain and and those issues Then the other portion of it would obviously be a full body type of routine unless It's back to back day. So if it's uh, if they're two days or back to back Then I would probably do a split where I went Upper body one day lower body the other day and that was just and all the only difference that I do is like So let's say Sal's riding it the way he just said where he has a full body routine twice a week He's probably going to do two to three sets of uh, each body part on there If I know that I'm only going to get the that body part once that week I might do four to five right So I might do four to five sets for every body part in the upper body on one workout And then the other Workout I would do four to five sets in the lower body Workouts if I was if I was going to go back to back workouts if I had A minimum of two to three days in between the two days Then I would do exactly what you alluded to which is a full body routine with with mobility work is what that would look like Yeah, a brand new client. I mean this would be something I would definitely start to build up their Specific mobility routine their their priming session You know ahead of time to to really focus in on that because they can repeat that the whole rest of the week As they you know have time available. They can they can do that at their house, but like I would I would slowly build on onto that with you know, I'd take one compound lift and really try to You know teach them the specifically the mechanics and the technique involved and then have them practice it with light weight You know if if that's the only amount of time I'm allotted and go through that for a couple weeks until I could really build up You know Trust that they're going to perform this exercise correctly throughout the rest of the week You know, I want to I want to add to something you said sal that I think is important to reiterate for the trainers that are listening is I too was like this where at the beginning I did not uh, I get frustrated with this client I'd say oh, you know, you're not serious enough or if you want to if you really want to see results We need to be training at least three times a week if I want to see and to be honest Later in my career. I actually preferred this too. I mean this is I would much rather in fact. I found myself Talking clients down that were like all motivated because they had something coming up Or they're like, oh, I could give you five days a week and I'm like Well, when was the last time you trained five days a week and they'd be like well never But I know now now I have the time or and then I would actually end up going You know, let's start off with just one or two times build a really solid routine and a good habit And then we could start to build off of that. Also, I mean you're teaching You're teaching them to fish that you're teaching them how to figure this out for themselves as well Like this type of a client versus somebody that's coming in and they're relying on you the entire time to just tell them what to do and be mindless, uh, uh, you know about the entire program of it like really spending the time to educate them In that one to two days that you have available is going to be super worthwhile And you know, you can actually get two days a week. You can get exceptional results That dug worked out with me two days a week. Definitely for the first, I think year or two that we trained together So Doug went from, you know, normal active guy to Deadlifting twice his body weight and there's this before and after picture that I've posted in the past where you could see his abs and all that that was two days a week of resistance right now The other days he was active on his own normally, but really it was only two structured workouts a week You can get Very far with two really really good resistance. You can not only get really far. You can also maintain a decent physique at that I mean, I'm training that right now One maybe two times of of resistance training a week right now. Now by no means am I impressive But I also don't look like I don't work out, you know You can maintain especially if you're if your programming is tight And you are doing the the biggest bang for your buck movements Man, if you're deadlifting and squatting and overhead pressing and benching twice a week, uh You're gonna have a pretty damn good physique and base That's one of the things I love most about resistance training It does it sends the signal and then every then the body does the work So it's not like you have to manually not manually building muscle there like with cardio You have to manually burn calories with resistance training You're setting the gears in motion and so if it's effective it can be infrequent And that's one of the hallmarks of resistance training It's one of the reasons why it's one of the best ways to exercise especially with our current busy lifestyles Next question is from rebel Hammond. Can you tell us your thoughts on the farmer's walk? They are so simple yet. I don't see a lot of people incorporating them into their routine. Yeah, I never I never thought I you know So I didn't have I thought of farmer's walks like a trainer, you know, like okay, it's good for stability It's good for hand strength strengthens the back Um, it makes your body tight like the core core activation It's great for that like I understood it from a trainer perspective But I'd never understood it from an experience perspective because I never made it a part of a I'd done them before But the way I do them would be like Occasionally if I'm gonna have fun with somebody in our workout or whatever never train them Then we wrote the maps strong program now map strong was a a workout program That was strongman inspired and a big part of strongman training is farmer walks and that's part of their competition You know when they compete they have to carry things in their hands and walk with them So I worked my way up to almost 500 pound trap bar farmer walks and I was training them consistently And I could not believe the muscle that I was building from doing them It turned my whole body on my traps my back the the muscles of course of the forearms and hands Shoulders my legs got tight. I could feel my core working Um, I developed a brand new respect for the farmer's walk and I consider it to be It definitely a top 15 if not a top 10 exercise that people can do Yeah, much like when you bring up the story about male carriers and your family and like how that inspired you to You know come up with trigger sessions and uh, saw what that did in terms of muscle development Uh, the same with me in terms of playing with certain types of athletes in my career With various sports that I was in I always noticed there was a certain type You know of athlete that just had this inner power this inner strength that was far superior than the other athletes and most Most of them that I had had you know experienced and had met Were from different farm towns and different places where manual labor was like really rigorous manual labor Was a part of their they're growing up and it's just one of those things building up this work capacity and building up this This this work strength It's it's something that I think a lot of people don't really recognize how that also like It really translates into your overall strength, which then you know propels you forward even more so to add That in as something that you can frequently work on And and do it at the right dose To where it's not going to impede on uh, you know the intensity of your you know your regular foundational workouts It's it's gonna it's gonna get you to be able to endure Longer bouts of really strenuous type work in the gym. Well, think about it like this We've made the case for isometrics on this podcast many times, right? And I think that we all agree on the value of it and how undervalued ice the isometric exercises are Name me an isometric exercise that is as that is as intense And I know farmer walks you're moving so people don't think of it as an isometric exercise But think about from your traps down to your fingertips down to your toes With a load which most people can carry 200 to 500 plus pounds name me something That is that intense isometrically on your entire body from neck to your toes And the posterior chain, which again, we all try to you know, voice that quite a bit like we don't consider Uh movements throughout the day to activate and uh, you know gain connection with your posterior chain very often And so this is this is another way to really bring that into your every day It lights up everything from the neck to the fingertips to to the toes Name me one part of the body when you're holding 500 pounds and walking 30 yards That is not completely everything's involved. Everything is connected. Everything is lighting at an intense level It's not like a plane. It's also one of the most functional exercises I mean you are going to do that in life You're going to pick things up walk with them and hold them And so it's a very fun. You get strong at farmer walks. You just are strong Well, we and you've given the analogy that uh, you know, I've repeated a million times Sal with the whole You know speaker and amplifier, you know, I would argue that it's probably one of the the best You know ways to invest in your amplifier. Yeah of all the central nervous. Yeah Of all the things that you could do to really Strengthen your central nervous system Heavy farmer carries have to be up there with one of the top three If not the top one juice up them amplitudes Next question is from bong rips and booty licks. Oh, this is this is what a fantastic name. We would be friends Yeah When you find the balance that you guys talk about with respect to diet activity and lean gains Would increasing cardio be more of a detriment than a help? No, it's it's a listen. Here's the deal Okay, this all would people always get confused nothing wrong Well, maybe because the first, you know 500 plus episodes Well, we had to counter this this abuse of a form of exercise. Look cardio Cardiovascular activity can be very healthy anything overdone can be bad for you that includes resistance training. Okay So if you do more cardiovascular activity and it's appropriate for you No, it's not going to be detrimental.  It's going to improve your performance In fact, there's a level of cardiovascular activity that will even help you build more muscle as long as it contributes to better health Now if your question is is adding more cardio going to reduce the amount of strength and muscle I can gain at extreme levels Well, that depends also, um That depends on the person at some point it will because doing lots of cardio Is teaching your body to improve its endurance catabolic and its stamina and making you more efficient Where lots of muscle is not necessarily efficient with that type of stuff So your body pairs muscle down But there's nothing at all wrong with cardiovascular activity Now I like to communicate cardio like this with people I prefer to not tell people to Purposely go out to do cardio unless that's what they enjoy doing in which case it's totally fine But I'm talking to the average person and they're like, hey, you know, what should I do to optimize my health? The cardiovascular component of the workout is going to be Injecting daily walks into their day. It's just part of your day It's a behavior change rather than you know, rather than making the time to go to the gym um, it's if you and if you attach it to Things that you do throughout the day if it ritualizes it which makes it more likely to continue For example, if I connect it to breakfast lunch and dinner, I always have breakfast I always have lunch. I always have dinner if I connect a 20 minute walk to each of those I'm much more likely to be consistent than if I Have to go away to go to cardio or separate it from everything else So but no, there's it's not detrimental unless it's too much for you And what determines if it's too much your goals your body What else you're doing your diet your other the rest of your lifestyle Well, yeah, or how mature because this question you you say balance at first, which that's the key right the key is to have balance and it is Yeah, I think it there it serves it serves its purpose to be in there But then it says would increasing cardio be more detriment So if you're already balanced, right if you're balanced and you're already Intermittently doing it or it's something you're consistently doing on a weekly basis already and you're asking to increase it more Well, yeah, I mean you it may not serve you when it comes to building muscle. That's good I didn't even catch that so I could so if I if everything I'm doing is perfect If I do something more of it than what happens not perfect, right? Yeah, so it's good Next question is from j canales 140. What are some good strategies you guys have done or do? When trying to study a certain topic. Oh, I talk about this all the time You know What's funny is I learned what I'm about to communicate. I learned part of this when I first became a personal trainer I started to realize that because I was teaching fitness To my clients. I was actually learning it better Because in order to communicate something you have to really understand it well So oftentimes when you learn something you think, oh, I know this Well, now see if you could teach it the process of trying to teach it Gets you to understand it more fully. So that's step number one for me is When I'm learning something and I'm sure people around me can sometimes be annoyed by this But when I'm into something I talk about it. I come I debate about it. I discuss about it Part of that is the learning process for me It helps me really learn what I'm learning the other side of this the other point that I'll give is this When you develop an opinion on a topic Seek out an opposing opinion and I don't mean seek out a crappy opposing opinion Find somebody who you think has the best chance At changing your mind find somebody who does a really really good job of arguing the opposite and that will either Help you develop your opinion more fully Or you'll change your mind because they've done a good job. I don't even think you have to go that far I mean we're spoiled today Um, this it's how I google now. So if I have and name anything, uh, you know, why why uh eating meat is bad Why eating meat is good? I always just write it right after I google what I'm interested in I google the opposite of that statement. So whenever you're searching topics, just do that and what's so amazing about google is the stuff that is That people are sharing that that is backed will normally surface towards the top and I'll go And I won't just read the first article on the top And definitely pay attention if it's an ad versus something that has organically surfaced to the top of google And I'll read that whole first page all five blogs and articles or studies related to that topic And I'll I'll put in maybe the the belief that I have or the question that I have and then I will Then right afterwards google the opposite that support or that is trying to support the opposite side of the argument And then read all the all that supports that and I think that Everybody should train themselves to do is and I think it's so amazing That we have this resource now that this didn't exist just 15 20 years ago That was hard It was very hard You would have to seek out and a lot of times you end up reading a bunch of books That never got to your answer where you can literally just google specifically You know whatever it is that either confirms your bias and then the complete opposite And don't just stop by reading one You know I read a handful of articles and studies and blogs that support it and then then I take it to the next level After I've felt like I've informed myself Now I go have that health and this is what I love about our relationship because even though the three of us May seem like we agree all the time on the podcast a lot of times we debate stuff all the time We talk and you probably heard more of it early on But we we do that all challenge each other and hear opposing ideas on it. I think that's the best way to learn Yeah, I like I like to Read or listen to podcasts or you know audiobooks and then really digest what I'm You know, I want to take my time really to you know to let it Resonate and then see what those the main points are Then take that and then discuss it in a conversation and try and find holes in it And then go look for something in an opposing argument, but I think um, there's there's like a time period for me to really um, you know sit and and meditate on you know, what really What was trying to be conveyed and and for me it might take a little longer To then go to teach it which is something I I definitely agree with I think teaching it is where you really start to understand something Uh, because then now it's like I've taken the concept. I'm a I've applied it You know, I have meditated on it, but now I'm trying to then uh, you know duplicate that by Presenting that to somebody else and am I doing a good job in that or do I really not understand it? So so to put it simply seek out different ways of thinking about the same topic So what because people think thinking and they think it's all the same. It's not you have thinking in your mind There's thinking on paper no joke if you write Try this if you ever have an idea or you're you're mad at somebody you're pissed off at your friend Write it out write out what you feel and what you'll find is you start to process things a little bit differently Because it's a different form of thinking then talk about it Talking about it is another form of thinking and then there's another way of thinking where you Debate with someone else now you're getting challenged on the way you think Those are all different ways of thinking and if you can take a topic and bring it through all of those You're going to come out with uh A lot of confidence in kind of how you feel because you've you've gone through all those different things But this requires open-mindedness when I seek out debates on topics that I'm Learning I seek out the p. I typically do this online I'll I belong to these groups and I'll see somebody debating something so I'll go on and I'll I'll debate it I'm I'll typically find the person who does the best job And I'm literally my this is what I'm saying. I don't say this literally to the person But this is essentially what I'm saying. I'm saying Change my mind, you know, it would be like if you go to a it's like if you if you go to a car dealership And you tell the salesperson if you can sell me this car, I'll buy it That's literally what I'm saying to the person. Look if you can convince me I will be on your side So do your best job convincing me and then we go and we have this discussion about and if they fail It's because I'm more confident in my opinion and if they succeed. Well, that's phenomenal I'm now better off than I was before the the other thing this takes and I think this is why People struggle with this a lot is courage It takes courage to put yourself out there and stand behind something and know that you may be wrong It's but just you have to be okay with that you have to be okay with Hey, I think this is how I believe and this is what I've read and therefore I'm going to have this conversation or this debate with sal but people are so afraid To get proven wrong or to sound or feel like an idiot afterwards that they don't do that And I think this this is a lot of you know in the my early early 20s as a trainer This is a lot of my where my growth came from was I just wasn't afraid of that I wasn't afraid to put myself out there You know even when I knew I was talking to someone who was probably far more educated than I am Putting my ideas out there getting them challenged getting my paradigm shattered probably being wrong Maybe even feeling like a little bit of an idiot, but okay. It's okay because you know what now I understand now I know and now I'm smarter now We move forward one place I can I can think of right now where that happened to me relatively recently was Through the the childbirth process. I thought up until I was An adult I think I was 38 And I thought man childbirth is a super dangerous Thing it killed women for thousands and thousands of years and whatever and we talked about it on a podcast And I said, oh, yeah, you know childbirth is a major killer and you know Thank god for modern medicine and a midwife now midwives are experts at child delivery Some people think their OB's are OB's are actually surgeons midwives specialized specifically in in natural childbirth So this midwife is in our forum.  So we had this long discussion She sent me a couple documentaries I did some more learning and I realized I was totally wrong and it feels good It feels good if you but you have to be okay with being wrong But if you're okay with it takes courage, dude Then you come out of it and man, it feels good because now I'm not wrong anymore Now I have a better Opinion about something that I was wrong about for for so long and with that go to mind pump free.com and download all of our guides Resources and books you can also find the three best podcast hosts in the universe We're the three amigos on instagram. You can find justin at mind pump justin You can find me at mind pump salad adam at mind pump adam. Oh by the way Doug is also on instagram. Believe it or not. He's got a fans only page go to at mind pump dug