Hello everybody, I welcome Andreas Mund who wants to explain something about new developments in Devin Edo. Just enjoy this total talk. Okay, welcome to the bath about Devin Edo. I will explain the current status and then I want to discuss how to continue with the work and how we can build on what we have today and develop the system even more. Okay, it's my very first talk at the Deppcon, so I just want to introduce myself. I have a scientific background. I studied physics and I spent several years at university doing quantum optics research. Then I worked in an optics company for about three years, but I quit that job and now I'm teaching at school and my students are in the age from 10 up to 19-20 years old and in this process switching to the work at school I started to work with Debian Edo and I'm looking forward to run a Debian system at school someday. Okay, just a small outline of the talk. I want briefly show you the history of Debian Edo. Then I will explain the system architecture and show you how the Debian Edo installation works. I will quickly go through the new features we have now implemented in our squeeze release and then I want to come to the main topic where I also ask you to bring in ideas and comments. What are our goals for VC and the future? I will discuss a few problems of Debian Edo from my point of view. Question that Debian Edo's goal is philosophy and I have some ideas and thoughts. I sketch a system which might solve some of these issues and then in the end I want to invite you to help with your input and your knowledge and your ideas. Okay, let's start with the very first point. We have to celebrate this year because Debian Edo or Schole Linux has become 10 years old now and today we have a lot of local groups in France and Germany, Norway probably much more which use this system, which modify it and which contribute to Debian Edo's goal in Linux. Okay, what is the system? What does the system look like? I brought a picture here and you see a setup I want to quickly explain. We have a main server and this main server contains all services we need for the system. So there's an LDAP database, Kerberos, KDC, home directory, web server, also Nagios and some other tools are installed on this server and apart from this server we have other profiles like you see here terminal server and workstations, work stations. These are Debian machines with a lot of educational packages and the terminal servers. They can serve these subnets here, you can see at the bottom and you can use diskless clients there or thin clients and they boot with PXE and so you have to only do the administration on the LTSP server and you can have 20 machines of this thin client for diskless clients without additional system administration. Then we have roaming workstations which are thought to be for machines that are not permanently in the network like laptops. Okay, how does, how is it possible to install such a system? It's pretty simple with Debian Edo. We have a customized Debian installer with our own artwork so you just start the DVD. You choose your language, you choose your country, a key map and then you have all these profiles I showed before to choose from. You can also combine these profiles so we can have a main server also combined with a workstation or with the LTSP terminal server so that's no problem. Then you are asked if you are happy with the automatic partitioning, you say yes, you enter the root password and all will be done for you. So the whole system will be set up depending on the profile you've chosen before and there's not much more to do than to just connect the machines as you as you planned it. Okay, what's new? With the Debian Edo squeeze release, we've now Kerberos for authentication and single sign-on. So quite some services are moved to Kerberos authentication. We don't need, we don't have the problem that we have passwords traveling through the network and things like that. It's all done with Kerberos now. So this is one feature, one new feature. Then we have a new graphical administration front-end. This is very important for schools because usually the system administration is not done by professional administrators but teachers which get some time off their usual job and it's important for them that they, that this part is as easy as possible. I don't know if you're familiar with GOSA, it's used by the city of Munich for their administration and we've now included it in our squeeze release and we have to see if it fits our needs and if it works like we expected it and then see how to continue on that topic. Okay, then as I said roaming profile for laptops is also a new innovation with the squeeze release and we've also switched to NFS version 4 which is important for the Kerberos stuff. This is not finished yet, this transition but it's all there to continue on that point. Okay, now from the past over the present to the future what are the goals for VC? I will just have a look at problems I see for current Debin Edo related this question in the Debin Edo School of Linux Philosophy. Thoughts and ideas to solve some of these issues and a sketch of the system I propose or I could imagine that it would have some advantages, of course some other disadvantages will also be there. Okay, what is our problem in Debin Edo? We have a lot of supporters, local user groups, teachers at schools which work on fine-tuning for their local area but we have much to view contributors for the Debin Edo config package. The Debin Edo config package is it's a well let's say an ugly package which at the end of the installation does a lot of tweaks to the system which are well it's just going on a little dispute if they are policy compliant or not. Most of them are probably not compliant and this Debin Edo config package is mainly worked on by sometimes zero people, sometimes one of three, one or two and three is really the largest number I've ever been seen working on that package on a on a regular basis you know and I ask myself why is this the case and well perhaps the package is simply too involved into complex. I made the experience if you can't follow the evolution of the system continue see you're quickly lost and then with every modification you do you break the system at some point and it takes another couple of hours if not days to fix it again. So then we have our own installer which is great of course but on the other hand to test this package we've always to do a new installation and this installation takes about half a day because there are about 25 gigabytes software installed for the main server and workstation and terminal server and yeah you fix the package you have to upload a package you have to wait until new CD is built and then you run the installation on a virtual machine and in most cases you found that you've overseen a little thing in your code and you start again and then the day is over. So this has a high frustration potential I hope you can understand this so over the years a lot of people that contributed moved more and more into a passive position where they just look what others do I got the impression and I now can really understand them because it's really yeah you get at some point you have the impression I don't learn anything anymore it's just fixing fixing and you run in a circle and with everything you fix you break something else and so you're kind of trapped and you're only if you have really really a lot of time you're able to develop something new okay I've already summarized that there are almost no resources left for new developments only keeping the status as possible and well I kind of understand this as being due to the fact that we modify the configuration of a lot of packages it's simply necessary because this the system is really working out of the box so we have to focus on a lot of small details and we use CF engine and things like that to bring this all in the shape we want to have it and of course if something changes then you have to react on these changes but if you are only a few people working on it then it takes quite a lot of time and there is a famous bug which addresses these modification of configuration files and it's like this bug it was when it was added to the bug tracking system it was thought that at some time we will solve this bug and it's just there for some time as a reminder but we're working on solving this bug but at the moment I have to say we have no time to to work in direction of solving this bug that's a question from I wonder if this half a day is when I do an installation of the main server and you have it the packages in a proxy the installation takes an hour so I'm a bit surprised even with those 25 gigabytes I wonder if your test system is so slow and if a faster test system which we could host on the net and use with KVM and people can access remotely would help for development maybe my machine is for sure not the fastest one so it's about probably five years old or something like that but even if if the installation is is faster there's a lot of things you have to do by hand like uploading the package and things like that so tedious work that yeah that that's kind of annoying well the what Debbie and Edo is is mostly some modifications to DBM so we can only test the result by our testing the installation because that is what we do so I think it's somehow inherent but maybe we should really look to get a faster machine which is available for Debbie and Edo developers so they can test on a faster machine to get this time half which is then still bad but less frustrating okay and the other thing I think one one problem we have is that and we always we have still not released our squeeze squeeze is still in the final steps of being released so we're always behind development and in the past we've been often there that Debbie and was already frozen and we could not really do changes anymore so I think this is also blocking us very much I think we should really get there that we release the squeeze very soon and then have now still a year to visa is frozen or 11 months two questions one is why wait for the CDO DVD generation can there be done on a local machine maybe self-generation and testing instead of uploading and redownloading maybe if you inject a the new package to an existing CD will be easier and the second one maybe some kind of mechanisms that also does installation with an answer answers file on a VM machine so it goes every time the CD is generated it tries an installation and saves the result I don't know for a day to or at least the log so you actually won't have to do something manually but just to connect to an installed machine and test the result I was actually doing what Lior has suggested when I was testing our installation packages which by now are the only packages we still have I used to build the package locally and inject it into the into the CD image that I had on this so all I had to do was to to burn again the CD image and that would shorten the cycle okay okay and for sure you can improve that but keep in mind and you also have to work on this this testing infrastructure and this I have the impression also takes a lot of time because we have our CD or DVD builder and all these things they have to be maintained as well and it's also that sometimes things don't work and you it takes some time until someone looks at it and then it's working fine again but yeah I thought about how how can this this we reduce this double infrastructure okay can I comment on that yeah I got an account on CD image dot debbie and org to build the debbie and Edo CDs there I just have not got around to do it so that is absolutely planned to build the CDs on the regular debbie and host and then we can get rid of that part of the infrastructure and for getting rid of the archive we need to and we used to have like 20 or something past 50 modified packages in debbie and Edo and nowadays it's only the packages starting debbie and Edo asterisk so once we have them and if once we can use them from debbie and we don't have to use our own repository anymore anymore so that will speed up things but it's because we're always lacking I think it's why we need to operate our own infrastructure in the past like five years ago it was really useful to have that but nowadays it's getting more and more blocker because there are less people working on debbie and Edo and those need to maintain this infrastructure instead of developing debbie and Edo okay well I want to ask a few basic or more say radical questions about how we how we address or what's what are what the goal of our system is up to now it has been it has been the goal that you install the system and it works out of the box and of course this is a really challenging goal because you're installing a system for a whole school and the only thing the guy that that installs the system has to know is his password more or less he has to have an idea about the system infrastructure what machine he wants to install at the moment and then he as I showed in the beginning he just enters chooses his language and few other things and the system is set up and it was very strictly demanded that this stays the same for example it it makes a lot of work to use the password you enter also for your KDC and for some other tools you you're using because you have to usually you don't have the clear text password so you have to tweak in the installer to keep that clear text password and use it also for other services which also might be a security issue and well it was said we don't want to have two passwords or something more complicated because our goal is to have this as simple as possible and I ask myself if we really need such a system which is so simple will a guy that depends on the simplicity of the installation will he be happy with the system in the end and I think the answers no because shortly after the installation there will be there will pop up things that are not perfectly solved and if he just is able to click on a few installation things and not more then he will be lost anyway so I want to ask if this is really a valid goal at the moment okay another argument in that direction is a lot of local groups I mentioned earlier used Devin Edo but they I know of no group which really use it it as out of the box there for sure are groups or schools but the the main or the most known groups at least I know in Europe they heavily tune the system for their needs they take it as an inspiration they use what they think is a good idea but they sometimes massively modified and so another argument for not taking to taking this this goal that anything everything works out of the box and is as simple as possible maybe relaxed at some point okay then of course you have different types of school schools with small children with almost grown up students and the packages you provide depend heavily on the on the school you're installing the system currently the focus is a bit on yeah I would say up to 1415 children primary school something like that and it's a bit of a waste that we don't open this up a bit and make it also more flexible related to the package selection so that you can for example choose for primary school or for secondary school or some school where perhaps even grown-ups are taught so this is also a point I I want to stress okay then how can we how can we find more people interested in in the system how can we find more developers and more users and if you look at the system you see the system the networking part it's completely general and it's no in no way special to a school so you could also use that for a small enterprise or for some association which runs a little office or a university work group they could use this system as well as every school and I would like to develop the system in a more flexible and more modularized way so that these groups also can can use it why of course you can use a lot of synergies between this a broader user and developer base and if you modularize it more it's it's easier to focus on one part of the system so if someone is a specialist for networking he doesn't have to look which packages are installed for the primary school so his job is to make the system work the networking so by choosing more a more modularized system I hope that part time developers are able to work on the system and will not after being away for two or three months can be completely lost and not not understand anymore what what happened and of course it also helps with testing and testing the single components for these different profiles this is a goal I want to look in myself is perhaps it's possible to to use five fully automatic installation and I can imagine that you provide different classes different five classes for example for school for primary school you have a class for a small enterprise you have a class and our users can also modify these classes and it's easy to include them then in the next release so that it's simple for the for the say downstream to provide their ideas for inclusion in our system but this is just an idea I haven't worked on it up to now but I want to start on that I think I think Ronnie arson is doing that he uses fight to install so Ronnie Ronnie Zeppelin IRC is doing that I think okay so you can ask him for that classes okay now I've sketched a proposed system which is a very radical change you could start with a standard Debian installation then you run a script which does all the stuff currently done by a BN data Debian Edu config this is at the moment included in the installation so you may scream odd it's not allowed but nothing else happens when when the Debian Edu installation is run so then you have your main server with all the stuff you need and in addition you have these the five packages and corresponding glasses as I explained it just now and then you install the other machines over the network you could you wouldn't need any installer CD DVD nothing no need to work on that the modifications are much more transparent to users and developers because you have this set of scripts which does all modifications everybody can easily send a patch for that it's it's clear how it works there's no installer tweaking which is rather complicated which is difficult to test and of course on the downside it does not work out of the box there for the first point that you don't need customized CDs or DVDs how would you get your your updated packages because you don't want to rely on Debian's latest stable distribution you want your own packages inside so it's no no so at least in the in your customized CD you can inject your own packages or at least the a school in a config but here how would you do it you want to answer we don't want our own customized packages we want them in Debian we have them in Debian not customized packages even the installer or the config which is although it might be only one package you still want the latest version yet that that's the script that's the script mentioned here you run a script so this will done by the script now yeah sure I'm not the most active in school Linux but I try I believe I can clarify that little issue there what is currently done by school in is correct me if I'm wrong it's not extra packages that needs to be part of the DVD but it is the the triggering mechanism of deep kind of preceding needs to be done very early with the current thing that he's proposing to do afterwards instead of integrated directly with the devian installer yeah just to be clear on the answer so you want people to install Debian and then download the separate script and run it but if there's a change to the script and it's already in Debian you won't have the updated version or may I maybe I'm missing something yes it is tricky it is if you have time enough to read bug 31 1188 let me try to summarize it that it's it's everything is in Debian school in Linux exist in Debian school in Linux uses makes use of this this configuration package in a different way than can is possible to do with standard Debian CD they need to set a flag in the CD media so that it uses Debian in a different way than Debian is possible to use Debian okay are you following me so so everything is in Debian the scripts that that Andreas wants to invoke after the installation is currently in school Linux invoked by the Debian installer and if you invoke it by the Debian installer then it violates Debian policy if you don't invoke it by the installer then it's not packages doing it it's okay I'm wrong here I'm stopping up my name is Peter Reynolds and the person behind the philosophy of school Linux and the initial design and the architecture and all that stuff anyway Jonas has some good points but there is disagreement between me and him on what's actually policy compliant I read the policy to mean that when you install a packet it will not do some things while he reads it that if you install a packet and do some configuration it will still not do some things basically in school Linux we set some flags and do some preceding to make sure we tell our packages to behave a certain way and configure some things I believe that to be policy compliant and you must do not but that's a question of interpretation the thing we agree on is that it's a bad idea to do it the way we do because it breaks upgrades so we should get rid of that anyway but that's why I was shaking my head for Jonas's comment on breaking the policy when that is said there's so much things I could say about the proposals from from Andreas and we probably should discuss it but I'd rather you completed your talk first and then we'll go into the long discussions maybe I just continue it's it will be finished in about three minutes I guess and then start with the discussion okay I already said that all other machines are then installed over the network and in the first goal we in the first for these machines we should try to get rid of these these modification of config files so all customization should be done by preceding so then we have a first step where we can work on if where we have a chance to win because these these machines in the network are not so complicated so that's really something we should be able to do and what are the advantages you have a clear split between main server other machines you have with these glasses you can simply do easy prototyping of new new sort of machines things like that and that can also do every every user and if he has a nicely working machine he can send us his his glass and we can include it and well okay and also upgrade re-installation of machines other than the main server should work without problems after that okay so now we already started with some discussion I already set up the goby thing maybe I can just start it here and you're welcome to did I lose the connection right maybe we can feel free to discuss the topics I've written what I said down here and now and I do large enough fine or okay so to give some comments on the design of school Linux a lot of the things you have described has been always part of the original design of the school Linux systems and your indication there is a conflict between ease of installation and flexibility I don't think that's a true conflict I believe it's perfectly possible to both have a simple installation that works out of box and a flexible system that can be tuned whichever way you want and it's always been a goal in school Linux to make that possible even if the features have been hidden most of the time because it's always been a goal for us to be able to convince unsure or hostile users to actually try school Linux and for that to happen you need to have a very easy to install system where you can actually get up and running and get a feeling of the advantages before they make the commitment to actually move to Linux and of course convincing people to move to Linux has always been the goal of school Linux not convincing Linux users to move over to school Linux because the Windows users and the Macintosh users are the the goal of the project the others are already on our side we don't really need to convince read that users use Linux there are so few of them that's not worth the effort so I think you should definitely move ahead then and continue making the system more flexible and making it more easy to to customize some of the initial designs were of course based on limitations in Debian installer and the framework we had available and also the limited resources we have we've gotten us a long way as Holger said we started with a lot of customized packages and have been a have been able over the years to convince a lot of maintainers to modify their installation system to allow preceding to configure all the things at least all the important things we needed we've dropped a few features as well because we decided it wasn't important enough to keep differences from Debian so but I really think it's important to keep the installation system out of the box to be actually working but it's perfectly possible to have one more question like do you want the advanced features and then you get heaps of more questions and heaps of more options but if I want my religion's teacher from high school to actually install anything he will not be able to understand half of the question that's all there already and we don't really want to increase the cognitive strain of the person trying out school linux for the first time without a really good reason so I'd like to remind that there's besides preceding the other policy compliant way to modify packages to drop configuration files into the directory like Apache Conf D these things so we can also use that doesn't have to be preceding and what I don't understand in your proposal is you're proposing to replace Debian Edu config by a script to make things easier but Debian Edu config is basically a script yes but it's it's it's much more complex because if you tell someone he wants to change this and that then he has to set up his the whole CD building stuff and has to build on his his own Debian Edu config package but if you have just the script it's easy to hack the script for his special needs but you can just run post-ins and you can run post-ins and that's the script what he means that the actual script is the post install script which you can just edit and re-run whenever you want so there's might be a package that actually packages the script but it's generally the same thing yeah but it's it's combined with some other features in some other stuff in Debian Edu config okay returning to some of your previous points you mentioned that you want to have a very simple installation that not many people would want to do and after a configuration after the installation on the other hand you mentioned that the complexity is a blocker and the third point was that people actually do modify their systems so I think we should better think we should better rethink about which is the target audience because if people do modify the installation afterwards we might convert some of the complexity of the scripts to good documentation and just let them do it by hand afterwards we still need some basic version that will work out of out of the box but on top of that we can just let them do additions and changes manually of course it would have to be wrapped in some way so they won't just edit files or hack the packages but something that is still can be done relatively easily to give a quick summary of what the school Linux Debian Edu actually is it's a set of preceding for the installer it's a press set of preceding for the packages packages being installed it's a partitioning set of partitioning rules and there is a bunch of packages being installed packages packages election selection and last there is some rewriting on configuration file at the end to make sure that the packages that didn't support preceding will get a proper configuration in the end that are all the parts that's school Linux and of course the configurations the set of configuration changes preceding or otherwise that's like the concept in in action but for the installer it's basically just setting up the preceding of the of the partitioner based on the profile you ask for and then it selects the packages you want based on the profile you ask for then it's continuous and install them and then eventually end up rewriting I don't remember if we actually rewrite more than one or two files I think the squid config maybe and some one more so there's very little left being rewritten at the end of the installation because almost all the packages have been precedable for like five years now and the complexity we can get rid of is it's not really much left there the scripts that's been running by from DB and you do config is the thing that's rewriting thing at the end and there is almost nothing left there of course installing the packages you want that's a meta packet or actually it's a task cell task but it also meta packet and partitioning well we do have some expectations on the partitioning you need this size for us are we need we want to have LVM and the installer can be preceded any way you want if you want to change the password of the root system or well we can do all sort of thing for example I've done some installation where we changed the partitioning but we also have some interesting complexities in the installer we run a background job to check if the file systems are full and extend them if they are to be able to install extra extra packages you can actually precedes outside the Debian system we have done this with PXE installation of a DB need you you can precede extra packages and when you you do that you actually can install extra more packages and if you install like open JDK that was a problem earlier you will fill up us are because it's a huge packet and to handle that they actually made a background package that the process that will resize partitions on the fly during installation but that's just sugar on top it's not part of the installation that's a vital part you just have to make sure the partitions are big enough so I hand over the mic for the last question or last remark so the background process during the installer that resizes the volumes sounds like something that would be really useful for Debian installer in general if you could contribute that back to Debian installer that would be great and then my other question was just that if there are only a couple of packages whose config files are being mangled by this post-inscript if you filed bugs against those packages asking for debcoff parameters to do what you need them to do because if you haven't it would be great to have those bugs so we have the documentation okay thanks so thanks thanks for this fruitful discussion I'm really sure we can continue it and it will be continued I'm trust on you and I but for several years and I really hope that Debian it will be a success I'm really proud on this project the next part of the next talk will be also here in the zoom the Debian science roundtable so feel free to join and thank you Andreas yeah thank you


Mr. Vance, Congressman Ryan has called you Donald Trump's ass-kisser, the implication being you will pay any price for the endorsement and support of the former president who publicly insulted you in Youngstown. That was the start to a real question asked by one of the moderators at the last debate between Tim Ryan and JD Vance, which kind of goes to show you that the ass-kisser moment from the last debate was the most memorable moment from the debate if people are still talking about it, which is absolutely humiliating for JD Vance. Now we're going to watch the moderator finish the question and JD Vance is going to try to flip this around on Tim Ryan and make it seem as if he's the ass-kisser, but ultimately I don't think it's going to go well, but first let's see how he responds. To prove the congressman wrong and to show Ohio voters that you are your own man, I would like you to identify one issue that Mr. Trump is wrong about and therefore deserving of public criticism. Well look, I disagree with the president on a number of things. He's a friend of mine, of course, and I'm proud to have his endorsement, but look, the thing that was wrong about the Trump administration is they put a lot of people in the administration, a lot of bad personnel, folks who actually advocated limitless non-stop wars that would mean a lot of folks from Mahoning Valley and a lot of folks from where I grew up would have to go off and fight those wars. A guy like John Bolton, for example, should have never been national security advisor in the Trump administration, but let me address them Ryan's point and in your question there. Donald Trump told a joke. He told a joke at a rally based on a false New York Times story, and Tim Ryan has decided to run his entire campaign on it. Now look, Tim Ryan is publicly out there on national television saying, I love Nancy Pelosi.  The guy who's subservient to the national party is Tim Ryan, who's been begging for these guys to come into this race and save him from the campaign that he's been running. So look, it's ridiculous for him to accuse me of being anything because he has utterly failed to be independent, to represent this valley. He'll utterly fail to represent the people of Ohio if he's elected the United States Senate. So I'll get this straight.  I know the president very well and he was joking about a New York Times story. That's all he was doing. I didn't take offense to it. I talked to the president before it. I talked to the president afterwards. Everybody there took it as a joke. This guy goes on national TV and says, I love Nancy Pelosi. That's the audacity of accusing me of kissing anyone's rear end. It's pretty rich.  It's just L after L for JD Vance. Now, his answer about what he disagrees with Trump on kind of proves Tim Ryan's point because he said John Bolton, warmongers, those types of individuals should not have been within Trump's administration. But that's such a safe answer. If you're going to answer the question, actually be bold and say, I disagree with Trump on policy X or Y. But what you're doing is you are criticizing Trump for putting people in his administration that he's already attacked, who are currently attacking Donald Trump. So it kind of proves that you have no political courage whatsoever. But because he can't prove that he has political courage because he doesn't, he tried to make it seem as if Tim Ryan is similarly weak when it comes to Democratic Party leadership.  To be fair, I'll play you the clip of Tim Ryan saying just that. Let me tell you two real quick stories because Senator Schumer is here and I want to make sure he's my future boss.  Embarrassing, yes, but not the same thing as what JD Vance did with Donald Trump. If, for example, Tim Ryan previously hated Chuck Schumer and then pretended to like Chuck Schumer just to get ahead and then have Chuck Schumer insult him only for Tim Ryan to continue to kiss Chuck Schumer's ass, then that would be comparable to the JD Vance Trump situation. But that's not actually the case with Tim Ryan and Chuck Schumer. It's just not similar. And to his credit, he has taken on Democratic Party leadership in a profound way. I am not the biggest Tim Ryan fan. In fact, I supported his opponent, Morgan Harper, in the primaries. But Tim Ryan ran against Nancy Pelosi to be the speaker. So that's perhaps the biggest way that you can challenge leadership. So for all the critiques that I have of Tim Ryan saying that he kowtows to leadership is not one that I would lob at him. Now, we're going to see how Tim Ryan answers the same question because the moderator, of course, to both sides, the question to appear fair to JD Vance. And usually lightning doesn't strike twice.  But somehow he's going to make it even more effective than last time. And he's going to recap to the magic of that last debate. Take a look. I would like you to point to an issue that Speaker Pelosi has totally bungled and therefore deserves public repudiation. Well, let me let me just first say that this is obviously a clip that JD is running to try to misrepresent people. I ran against Nancy Pelosi, JD for leadership. And you have to have the courage to take on your own leaders.  Right.   It is true.  And then he endorsed you. And you said he's the greatest president of all time. Mitch McConnell gave you $40 million to prop up your campaign. Peter Teal gave you $15 million. That's $55 million. JD, what do you think they want for that? They want your loyalty.  And look, it's nothing personal. I'm just telling you, like, I've been in this business. It's tough business. If you think you're going to help Ohio, you're not. If you can't even stand up for yourself, how are you going to stand up for the people of the state? How are you going to take on the corporate interests? All the money you took are from the corporations who sent all our jobs overseas. Peter Teal, 15 million bucks, buddy. What do you think he wants? That was absolutely devastating for JD Vance.  That's kind of a devastating point. Is it not? So you can't just flip it and do a no you as a rebuttal because Tim Ryan has demonstrated that he does have the courage to stand up to Democratic Party leadership. I made a disagree with him on a lot of things, but saying that he lacks political courage is not an attack that I would lob at Tim Ryan. So it's just inaccurate to say that and it's not a very good defense of yourself. Oh, well, yeah, I'm a coward, but so are you. Doesn't really work in this instance when you're running against someone who actually challenged Democratic Party leadership. As much as I disagree with Tim Ryan, I wish that left members of Congress would challenge leadership in the way that Tim Ryan did, right? So moving on, Tim Ryan, I think sharpened the knife a little bit.   And I actually transcribed this next paragraph because it's so devastating and I wish that more Democrats would make the same point that Tim Ryan is making here. He said, if you can't even stand up for yourself, how are you going to stand up for the people in this state? How are you going to take on corporate interests? All the money you took are from the corporations who sent all our jobs overseas. Peter Thiel, 15 million bucks. What do you think he wants? That right there is one of the most powerful attacks that you can lob at a Republican because it's populist.  And that is going to land with every single person who's watching. It's devastating. And if every single Democrat did this, said what Tim Ryan is saying, I think that would be much more successful because Democrats, we've been talking about this lately. They've been kind of running away from the economic argument, the selection cycle overall and been focusing more on abortion, which I think isn't a bad strategy per se. But Republicans are kind of wheezing out of their extremism on abortion because they're sidestepping that and they're trying to appeal to people when it comes to the economy. Tim Ryan isn't taking up this right wing line when it comes to the economy. He's actually saying you did this. You are taking money from corporations who shipped American jobs overseas and now you're taking money from billionaires. What do you think they're going to want from you in return? Loyalty, they're going to call in favors. This is a devastating attack. And Tim Ryan here, he is doing what every Democrat should be doing. He's setting a new blueprint for Democrats and I hope that they follow it. Now, moving on, the next clip is going to feature Tim Ryan criticizing JD Vance for bringing up the great replacement theory. And as you're going to see, JD Vance is going to come up with a different version of the, how can I be racist? I have black friends argument. And I'll tell you what he actually said when we come back because he's going to claim that no, he's not pushing this conspiracy theory about great replacement. We'll see that that's a libel. Let's watch first. Hold on, JD.  Here's exactly what happens when the media and people like Tim Ryan accuse me of engaging the great replacement theory. You're peddling it. I'll tell you exactly what happens, Tim. What happens is that my own children, my biracial children get attacked by scumbags online and in person because you are so desperate for political power that you'll accuse me, the father of three beautiful biracial babies of engaging in racism. We are sick of it. You can believe in a border without being a racist. You can believe in the country without being a racist. And this just shows how desperate this guy is for political power.  It's disgraceful. Thank you, Mr. Vance. Hold on, Derek. Real quick. I think I got to get one more question in. I think I struck a nerve with this guy. You absolutely struck a nerve. He's known that people, Tim Ryan, when you insult their families, you strike a nerve with normal people. I didn't talk about you. I would never talk about your family, JD. I wasn't raised that way. I would never talk about your family.  It's disgusting and I've never endorsed it. It's disgusting. You talk about it and you're running around with Marjorie Taylor Greene. To believe in a border, Tim Ryan thinks that you endorse the great replacement theory. It's unbelievable. This is what you do. You join Nancy Pelosi and Chuck Schumer calling your own people racist for daring to believe in a border country. This is the game that he plays. So because he has biracial children, he can't be racist apparently. First of all, that's not a real defense. Second of all, how is this not the weaponization of identity politics? I thought that Republicans hated identity politics. That's what he's doing. Now he's deflecting and he's not saying what he actually said, but let's get to what JD Van said and why Tim Ryan is accusing him of spreading the great replacement to conspiracy theory. This is courtesy of PBS Republican Senate nominee JD Vance accused Democrats of trying to transform the electorate warning of an immigrant invasion. Vance told Fox News channel that Democrats have decided that they can't win reelection in 2022 unless they bring a large number of new voters to replace the voters that are already here. So using the word replace is a direct reference to the great replacement conspiracy theory and he's doing this on Fox News where hosts like Tucker Carlson have pushed the same replacement theory hundreds of times literally. And if that didn't make it clear enough who he was appealing to, he also released this ad.   The media calls us racist for wanting to build Trump's wall. They censor us but it doesn't change the truth. Joe Biden's open border is killing Ohioans with more illegal drugs and more Democrat voters pouring into this country. This issue is personal. I nearly lost my mother to the poison coming across our border. No child should grow up in orphan. I'm JD Vance and I approve this message because whatever they call us, we will put America first. He knows what he's doing here. He knows exactly what he's doing and who he's trying to appeal to, who he's trying to dog whistle to. So do you honestly believe that when he talked about the ways that Democrats are trying to replace existing voters, he really wasn't referencing the great replacement conspiracy theory? Of course he was.  So in that ad, he talks about how Joe Biden's open border is killing Ohioans. First of all, when it comes to immigration in Ohio, I mean, shouldn't you be more concerned with Canadians than Mexican immigrants? Because you're on the other side of the country. You're nowhere near Mexico. And if you actually are worried about the drugs coming over the border, then wouldn't you propose a policy to actually stop that, decriminalize or legalize drugs so that way the government can actually control the flow of drugs, regulate it? I mean, these are things that Republicans don't think about because they're not actually very policy minded. They just want to demonize people. If they could fear monger about immigrants by claiming that they're coming over illegally through our open border and bringing drugs that are killing Americans, then that's what they're going to say because that's going to help them get elected. But I think that what Tim Ryan showed again, is that JD Vance is in over his head. And the only way he's going to be able to win is by galvanizing enough racists who he has directly been appealing to. But either way, still not a great look.  So we'll see what happens overall. But I hope that these debates leave a lasting impact on JD Vance. I'm not necessarily sure that that will indeed be the case because as we've seen in cases like Florida, for example, when Andrew Gillum was debating Ron DeSantis, I think that he was really persuasive in those debates. But ultimately, he lost and Ron DeSantis went on to become one of the most popular right wing governors, if not the most popular right wing governor in America. So just because you see a good debate performance doesn't necessarily mean that that's going to be conducive to success because, again, voters nowadays are very team sport oriented, right? So even if Tim Ryan is demonstrably crushing JD Vance in these debates, that's not really going to move people who already made up their minds that they're going to support their teams no matter what. So it's a matter of how many independents can Tim Ryan win over? And I think that by bringing up the corruption of JD Vance and how he takes money from these corporations and billionaires, that is really persuasive and he needs to keep it up if he wants to beat JD Vance in my opinion.


I just, I love her so much and I just, I feel that if you're an adult you should be able to live your life and not be controlled. After I've lied and told the whole world I'm okay and I'm happy, it's a lie. I am traumatized. She's making money for everybody and when you're making money for everybody they don't want it to end. This doesn't typically sound like someone who would need a conservatorship or doesn't. No, it doesn't. I'm not here to be anyone's slave. Death to all of them. Self autonomy, control and free will are concepts that seem to always be clashing with society, structure and law. My mom told me once whenever there's a system in place there will always be people who will find a way to exploit that system. Enter conservatorships. Lately you've probably heard of the Free Brittany movement and Brittany's chilling testimony of how horribly she's been treated under her conservatorship. And this made me think, why do conservatorships exist and how many people are being hurt and scammed by them? So let's talk about it. Today we are covering the serious topic of conservatorships and the many, many problems with conservatorships. As well as the Free Brittany movement and the chilling details of Brittany's conservatorship with her dad Jamie Spears. Before we get into this topic I want to put out a few disclaimers. The first one being I am not a mental health expert nor am I a lawyer. And much of the information I'm going to be sharing today is through the extensive research I've been doing on conservatorships and the coverage of Brittany Spears' conservatorship. I'll be linking all of my resources down in the description below so that you can check them out and read them in full for yourself. And for various research I'll be showing snippets up on the screen so you can see where I'm gathering information from. I also want to put a trigger warning because this video is dealing with the serious topic of mental health and conservatorships this video might be upsetting for some. So before covering all the problematic aspects of conservatorships it's important to know what are conservatorships? A conservatorship is an arrangement where someone acts as another person's financial overseer. Usually that person is elderly, nearing the end of life and has become incapacitated in some way. Incapacitated meaning they can't make financial decisions anymore and are unable to take care of their ongoing financial obligations. So usually conservatorships are used for older adults who may be dealing with serious issues like dementia which leaves them vulnerable to being scammed or taken advantage of by others. So a conservatorship would make sense because instead of leaving that elderly person completely vulnerable with no help or assistance, someone close to them or a professional is able to come in and keep track of their finances and assets so they're not scammed or they don't make a decision not in the right headspace that can severely affect their life and others. There's also guardianship which is similar to conservatorship but involves the care of a person's self including their medical care. While guardianship is managing the self or the person, conservatorship is strictly limited to the management of a financial estate. Though the exact structure of conservatorships can vary from state to state in the US. So first off with that definition there's kind of already a lot of questions. If conservatorships are meant for older adults, why are younger people especially celebrities being put into conservatorships? On top of that, since the sole purpose of a conservatorship is to manage someone's finances and estate, hopefully you can see how easily this system can be abused. Even if it's purpose is to help those who are incapacitated not get conned, the conservator can easily be a con artist themselves looking to take advantage of an older adult's finances. There's been many cases of this happening. There is even a Netflix movie about this issue called I Care A Lot that was supposed to give a look inside the shocking legal guardianship industry. There's tons of guardianship programs that take advantage of the elderly and take control of their finances only to scam and con them. A lot of times in conservatorships and guardianships, people can also be taken advantage of by their own family members, which creates this opportunity where a family member can go after another family member's wealth through establishing a conservatorship. One of the most common types of conservatorship abuse is from family members. Because a family member appointed as a conservator may have close knowledge of the conservatee's affairs and are often natural choices for playing the role of conservator, unfortunately these same circumstances make it extremely easy for family members to steal from the conservatee, as is the case right now with Britney Spears. Considering my family has lived off my conservatorship for 13 years, I won't be surprised if one of them has something to say. We don't think this should end. We have to help her, especially if I get my fair servant turned and exposing what they did to me. Britney Spears has been in a conservatorship since 2008, but not much was known to the public. A lot kept hidden. That is until recently. Recently, more and more details regarding Britney Spears' conservatorship have come to light, and the information that has surfaced is chilling and disturbing. Important names to know in this storyline is first off Britney Spears, a pop star and icon who was heavily scrutinized by the public. Jamie Spears, Britney Spears' father, Jamie Lynn Spears, Britney Spears' younger sister, and Lynn, Britney Spears' mother. And yeah, that might get a little confusing. Britney Spears became a celebrity and an icon at a very, very young age, and soon after the public tore into Britney Spears for seemingly every little thing that they could find on her. They didn't like the way she dressed, they didn't like the way she acted, and much of Britney Spears' fame coincided with the rise of tablet culture and sensationalized news stories. And a lot of these tabloids chose Britney Spears as their main target. In 2008, Britney Spears had a very public reaction to all of this scrutiny, which caused her to be put on an involuntary psychiatric hold. And because of this, since 2008, Britney Spears has not been in control of her own finances or even her own life. After the events that transpired in 2008, Jamie, Britney Spears' father, petitioned a Los Angeles court to name him and the attorney Andrew Wallet, that's an interesting last name considering the circumstances, as conservators over Britney's person, a.k.a. a guardianship of sorts, where they're controlling her personal life, as well as her $60 million fortune. This was all at first supposed to be temporary, but then it became permanent in October of 2008. So was this conservatorship needed? Was Britney Spears truly an incapacitated person? Because remember, the legal definition of a conservatorship is that it becomes necessary when a person becomes incapacitated and has no ability to keep care of themselves and their finances. Well, what's most bizarre to me about this entire story is the conservatorship was supposedly established over Britney's well-being. But yet right after, literally right after the conservatorship was appointed, Britney went back to working. She filmed a documentary and released Circus in November of 2008. And remember, the conservatorship was permanently established in October of 2008. So one month later. And of course, I'm not familiar with all the extensive inner workings of conservatorships, but it doesn't make any logical sense if Britney Spears was so incapacitated that she could not take care of herself and her finances due to her mental health and had to give over sole control to her father and the Wallet attorney. And how was she able to go back to work so quickly? I shouldn't be in a conservatorship if I can work and provide money and work for myself and pay other people. It makes no sense. The laws need to change. From an outside perspective, it seems to be very clear that Jamie, now being in control of Britney Spears' finances, wanted her to produce as much money as possible. That's just my opinion though. A corrupt conservator is capable of utterly ruining an estate as often happens. If the conservatee doesn't have friends or family in close proximity, in other words, no one's watching what's going on, the conservator can claim expenses that didn't even occur. The conservator and his or her attorney are also paid fees which come out of the conservatee's estate. Thus, some conservators will and do inflate their time when record keeping. After I got a phone call from my dad saying, they're planning to send you to a small home in Beverly Hills to do a small rehab program that we're going to make up for you. You're going to pay $60,000 a month for this. I cried on the phone for an hour and he loved every minute of it. Conservatorship abuse can be monstrous and the court will not necessarily notice it by themselves. If the conservator follows the law as it's written, they're not likely to do anything and action isn't always taken. Be wary if there are sudden limitations on contact or personal access to your loved one. A crooked conservator won't want family members to know what they're up to and often arrange for the conservatee's isolation to prevent interference. If I didn't do any of my meetings and work from 8 to 6 at night, which is 10 hours a day, 7 days a week, no days off, I wouldn't be able to see my kids or my boyfriend. I never had a say in my schedule. They always told me I had to do this. Watch the people involved with the conservatee's case. New attorneys, caregivers, accountants, or helpers are often colluding with the abusing conservator who pays them out of the vulnerable conservatee's estate. I don't think how the state of California can have all this written in the court documents from the time I showed up and do absolutely nothing. Just hire with my money another person to keep and keep my dad on board. A lot of these warning signs were there for years when it comes to the case of Britney Spears. A lot of people who had worked with Britney Spears within the last few years had talked about how Britney Spears wasn't allowed to communicate with people, use any phones, or have any friends. I have a friend that I used to do AA meetings with. I did AA for two years. I met a bunch of women there and I'm not able to see my friends that live 8 minutes away from me, which I find extremely strange. According to Newsweek, under this conservatorship, Britney had to ask her father permission for every single major decision she makes from business to health to voting and marriage. According to the New York Times, even Britney Spears' tiniest purchases were tracked. And according to Britney Spears' recent testimonies that were open to the public, Britney Spears was forced to have an IUD, even though she wanted to have more children, which is horrific information. I want to have the real deal. I want to be able to get married and have a baby. I was told right now in the conservatorship I'm not able to get married or have a baby. I have an ID inside of myself right now, so I don't get pregnant. I wanted to take the ID out so I could start trying to have another baby, but this so-called team won't let me go to the doctor to take it out because they don't want me to have children, any more children.  Britney Spears had to take lithium without her consent and performed concerts against her will. My therapist sat me down in a room and said he had a million phone calls about how I was not cooperating in rehearsals and I haven't been taking my medication. All of this was a false. He immediately, the next day, put me on lithium out of nowhere. And lithium is a very, very strong and completely different medication compared to what I was used to. But he put me on that and I felt drunk. I really couldn't even take up for myself. I interviewed Britney in 2006 in New Orleans. She was helping victims of Katrina, taking them shopping. She was a vibrant young woman. Then in 2008, December of 2008, at her birthday party, I interviewed her again. In my opinion, she was heavily medicated.  And I was really, really surprised at that. And now hearing these statements from Britney, it almost confirms what I thought. And once again, I'm not a medical expert but I'm telling you what it looked like to me when I saw her that night in 2008.  Like I didn't matter. Like nothing had been done to me. Like you thought I was lying.  I want to feel heard and I'm telling you this again so maybe you can understand the depth and the degree and the damage that they did to me. The last time I spoke to you, keeping my dad in the loop made me feel like I was dead. Like I didn't matter. Like nothing had been done to me. Like you thought I was lying or something. I'm not lying. I want to feel heard and I'm telling you this again so maybe you can understand the depth and the degree and the damage that they did to me back then. I want changes and I want changes going forward. I deserve changes. I just want my life back and it's been 13 years and it's enough. There's been a lot of shady characters involved in the Britney Spears conservatorship but two I have to talk about are Britney's former lawyer and manager. Britney Spears claimed in her conservatorship hearing that management would aid in really harsh punishments under her conservatorship. Ma'am my dad and anyone involved in this conservatorship and my management who played a huge role in punishing at me when I said no ma'am they should be in jail. Larry Rudolph Britney's manager since the mid 90s resigned right after Britney Spears' conservatorship hearing claiming he hadn't talked to Britney Spears in two and a half years and has no involvement with the conservatorship but according to Britney that's not exactly the case and it kind of seems like the conservatorship was an excuse for management to be very very harsh and forceful with Britney. Samuel Ingham Britney Spears' attorney appointed by the conservatorship and who has been her lawyer since 2008 at the very start of the conservatorship also asked the day after the manager resigned to be dismissed as Britney's lawyer. I haven't really had the opportunity by my own self to actually handpick my own lawyer by myself and I would like to be able to do that. So many legal experts have publicly criticized Ingham's horrible handling of the case. The main points being that he didn't tell Britney Spears that she could petition to end the conservatorship at any time and didn't seem to know how to even end the conservatorship himself. We're joined now by Sarah Wentz a corporate attorney who specializes in conservatorship. What's your sense of whether a woman who spoke for half an hour with some anguish about what she's going through whether that woman should be under conservatorship at this point? I did listen to it and it was heartbreaking to hear and the most difficult thing for me was why they're at this juncture in this hearing because if her lawyer knew going into this that this is what her statement was going to be in my opinion they should have been there on a petition to terminate and not there to talk about changing out the conservatorship. There was some alarming statements in what I read yesterday about the judge trying to explain to her lawyer how he moves forward with the petition to terminate and that's pretty scary as a lawyer that he didn't already understand what he needed to do to get there. To me this seems like intentional naivety because Ingham was paid more than $500,000 a year out of Britney Spears' estate to be her lawyer and remember that was something that the conservatorship appointed him as so maybe there's a huge reason he didn't want to help her and the conservatorship. He was basically being paid to not do his job at all. I think it's really telling that both the manager and lawyer resigned so quickly after the hearing and basically both ran for the hills. This was not the first time that Britney Spears spoke out against what was happening to her and tried to get people to help her get out of this situation. In fact as early as 2014 Britney Spears was trying to get out of this conservatorship but it really seems like just no one cared and no one listened and no one took what she had to say seriously at all. When a conservaty tries to advocate for themselves and speak up about the abuse they may be experiencing it can be extremely hard for them to be taken seriously and removing a conservator can be an extremely long process all the while they continue to have a hold on your entire life. In 2014 Britney Spears cited a long list of grievances against her father and why she thought her father should be removed and no longer be her conservator. This list included his drinking, control, taking cuts from her earnings and limiting her to an allowance. She said in court that he punished her mistakes with very harsh consequences adding a lot of fear to the conservatorship. Then in 2019 finally cracks within the conservatorship began to show Wallet resigned from his role in the conservatorship saying substantial detriment, irreparable harm, and immediate danger will result to the conservaty and her estate if the relief requested herein is not granted on an ex-part basis. And once Wallet left, Jamie Spears gained sole control of everything. Britney's mom Lynn filed a request to be involved with the conservatorship and both of Britney's parents attended a court hearing on July 22nd of 2020 to hash out who gets to control what of their daughter's lives? It's just so bizarre to me. But the details of this hearing are unknown because the judge granted Jamie's request to keep the case sealed from the public. Time and time again, Jamie has used the sealing procedure to keep this battle hidden from the public and to keep Britney silent. But in September of 2019, Jamie Spears was temporarily relieved of his personal conservatorship following an alleged altercation with Britney's 13-year-old son. This put Britney's care manager Jodie Montgomery in charge of her care until August 22nd of 2020. But Jamie still maintained control of Britney's finances. Of course. On top of all of that, strangely, court documents obtained by ET show that Jamie Lynn Spears, Britney Spears' younger sister, was named trustee of Britney's trust, which was established in 2004, four years before the conservatorship began. Jamie Lynn was appointed this position by her father, Jamie, and the attorney, Andrew Wallet, in 2018. This makes her responsible for distributing Britney's fortune to the trustees in the event of Britney's death. Her sister has the sole control and ability to distribute the fortune in Britney's trust to the trustees in the event that Britney passes away. Alarm bells? Just me? Kind of alarm bells. Even sketchier, in the court documents, Jamie Lynn requested funds be transferred to a blocked account. Upon her sister's death, a blocked account with Fidelity Financial Management Services. But of course, once Jamie Lynn started receiving backlash about the situation and her complacency in her sister's situation, she just has nothing to gain either way. I don't care if she wants to run away to Rainforest and have a zillion babies in the middle of nowhere or if she wants to come back and dominate the world the way she has so many times before. Because I have nothing to gain or lose either way. This situation does not affect me either way. That was Jamie Lynn's response to the chilling testimonies of Britney Spears' experience in her abusive conservatorship. Is that she has nothing to gain either way. I've made a very conscious choice in my life to only participate in her life as her sister as a hand to those boys. So what does Britney Spears' team have to say about her testimony? According to the New Yorker, Britney Spears' team who are defenders of the conservatorship are telling the same exact story of why the conservatorship exists as told years and years ago. That Spears is being manipulated by a man with an interest in controlling her fortune and that there's a grave medical diagnosis behind the arrangement that the public has no right to know. Of course, the public does not know the full story but this whole narrative doesn't make any sense to me. First off, because conservatorships are so extreme as I mentioned earlier in this video, they're only meant for people who are fully incapacitated and cannot take care of themselves. The fact that Britney Spears was so coherent in her hearing tells me and a lot of others including legal experts in conservatorships that she is not a person who should be under one. When you listen to that statement that she made this doesn't really sound like a woman who's not in control of her thinking or can control making decisions. That's exactly right. This doesn't typically sound like someone who would need a conservatorship or does it? No, it doesn't. These types of conservatorships are typically used for people who don't have the ability to manage their finances, never had that or had something like Alzheimer's or dementia and aren't going to regain their faculties. This is not a normal situation in any way, shape, or form and I think it's heartbreaking the things that she's alleging if these are true. I think we're going to hear a lot more about what happens with these conservators and the role that they played in her lives. So even if she needs help for a medical condition why aren't different options being explored that give her more freedom? On top of that this whole narrative of a man controlling her is very concerning to me considering Britney herself has said time and time again that her father is the one controlling her and that her father is the person who is manipulating her and doing horrible things to her. The control he had over someone as powerful as me as he loved the control to her, his own daughter 100,000% he loved it. On top of that her team talking about someone being after her fortune is really ironic to me considering they are the ones who have continually profited off of this conservatorship through Britney's estate consistently paying them. At this point Britney Spears is the face of a multi-million dollar empire. Her team has discovered extensive ways to profit off of her image and commodify every aspect of her brand. If you think about it since 2008 Britney has put out four albums gone on four world tours. Her last world tour one of the most lucrative in history. She had a four-year Vegas residency. She has the fragrance that brings in money. Her brother claimed that it has made more than a hundred billion dollars worldwide. But when you think about all that that means that she is earning so much money for so many people. And under this conservatorship her father has said he's increased her net worth from 2.8 million to 60 million dollars. In other words she's making money for everybody and when you're making money for everybody they don't want it to end. And worst of all under the conservatorship this has been without her say or any of her own creative control. Imagine being a pop icon and not getting any say about how your brand is handled. She paid everyone's bills and yet was forced to do what everyone said which kept her working and working and working and paying everyone else. I don't owe these people anything especially me the one that has roofed and fed tons of people on tour on the road. I truly cannot imagine Britney's strength and having the courage to come forward and speak publicly about her experiences. This case is major and will shed so much light on the dangers of conservatorships and the massive loopholes that allow people to take advantage of others and take away all of their rights meanwhile scamming them. I truly believe this conservatorship is abusive and that we can sit here all day and say oh conservatorships are here to help people but ma'am there's a thousand conservatorships that are abusive as well. Britney Spears has made it very clear that it's embarrassing that this dark part of her life has been hashed out so publicly and that people see her as a victim of sorts. It's embarrassing and immoralizing what I've been through and that's the main reason. I've never said it openly and mainly I didn't want to say it openly because I honestly don't think anyone would believe me. So I think the most respectful thing that we can all do to help is to see Britney as a powerful warrior who is fighting so many obstacles and coming out on top. It's helping raise awareness of this massive problem and for that we should only see her incredible strength. Just through Britney Spears sharing her experience she will help so many people and that's incredible. But I also think it's important to keep in mind the Britney Spears case highlights a reality many disabled people face with choices and decisions taken out of their hands for their own good. So it's deeply troubling and also a disability rights issue including the part on reproductive rights. As heroic as it is for Britney Spears to share her story and what she went through in this conservatorship it's also important to give Britney Spears space and not expect her to relive or rehash all of her traumas. We need to create space for her to define what's happened to her and if the conservatorship gets changed or revoked for the public, the media and the people in her life to let her move on and not be defined by what happened to her. Though Spears's conservatorship has gained the most publicity in recent years Britney Spears is not the only celebrity who has been placed under a conservatorship. Amanda Bynes has also been placed under a conservatorship. Bynes has been open about her bipolar diagnosis and information about her addiction came out to the public. So her mom Lynn was granted the right to become her conservator and Bynes was no longer allowed to make decisions without her mother's permission. Bynes even took to Instagram to ask for help because she felt she was no longer in need of a conservatorship. But despite her pleas her conservatorship was extended to 2020 and it seems now in present day Bynes has gained back control of her finances but her mom is still placed as a guardian who controls her personal life. Brian Wilson of The Beach Boys was also placed under a conservatorship in the 1990s. Dr. Eugene Landy was a popular therapist to the stars in the 1960s. He worked with artists like Alice Cooper Rob Steiger and The Beach Boys Brian Wilson. In 1975, Wilson's first wife Marilyn hired Landy to tackle the drug abuse, weight gain and strange behavior of the reclusive Beach Boy. But it's believed today that Landy misdiagnosed Wilson as a paranoid schizophrenic.  Then Landy's treatment of the singer ultimately became an abusive relationship where Wilson's every move was controlled. In May of 1990, Wilson's relatives asked the Superior Court to appoint a conservator for Wilson and Landy has not been allowed to communicate with Wilson since 1992. Joni Mitchell, the singer songwriter, had a conservator after suffering a brain aneurysm.  She was rushed to UCLA Medical Center where she was initially deemed unresponsive. Because of this, Leslie Morris, a long time friend of the songwriter, began a conservatorship petition. Eagle's bass player, Randy Meisner was placed under a voluntary conservatorship due to the loss of his wife, his diagnosed bipolar disorder and a traumatic brain injury and substance abuse. According to the book The Con Game A Failure of Trust by P. S. Layhem, a business professor at Diablo Valley College in the San Francisco Bay Area, America's guardianship system is an open invitation to potential abuse. Roughly 1.5 million adults are under guardianship according to a 2013 AARP estimate. In many cases, Layhem says conservators or guardians steal from, neglect or physically abuse the people they're supposed to assist. A 2010 Government Accountability Office guardianship review of 20 cases found that guardians stole or otherwise obtained 5.4 million dollars in assets from 158 incapacitated victims many of whom were senior citizens. Apart from older adults, others who are taken advantage of in conservatorships are those with disabilities. There's a great TikTok that goes in depth about this so I thought I would play the TikTok and react and this is by at Liz Plank on TikTok. Welcome to the disability revolution we are so glad you're here. Do you think it's wild that she couldn't remove her IUD? Well, it is still currently completely legal to sterilize women with disabilities under law. Do you think it's bananas that Brittany couldn't even see her children? Well, it's not uncommon at all. In fact, mothers with disabilities face removal rates up to 40 to 80 percent. I can't believe she couldn't even see her own boyfriend. This happens all the time. It is very common for families of people with disabilities to control their relationships for them. That's why many people with disabilities can't actually marry because they can lose their benefits and their health care. It's also completely legal to electro shock children if they have a disability. So yes, free Brittany. But let's also free everybody else and let's follow the lead of the disability rights movement who has been shouting and fighting against these injustices for decades. Overall, conservatorships are a huge concern, not just for celebrities, but for everyone. Sometimes conservatorships may be necessary, but they also seem to create a system where someone's entire finances and life savings are placed entirely in another person's hands. And it's soul crushing to think how that would feel to be someone like Brittany Spears and have your rights and self autonomy completely taken away. So all of this uncovered huge and major issues, and hopefully will lead more to participating in the Disabled Rights Movement. Overall, I hope that more work can be done, and I also hope that Brittany Spears knows how incredibly inspirational she is and what a difference she's making in spreading awareness. And that's all for today. It was a little bit more of a heavier topic, but something I felt was extremely important to talk about, especially regarding the general major issues with conservatorships and how the Free Brittany Movement has really shed light on all of that. I hope you guys are all doing well and I will see you in the next video. Bye.


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