things LGBTQ plus youth edition. Today is April 22nd, 2019, and we're going to be talking about good representation and bad representation. My name is Jules Caserta. I use them pronouns to my right is. I'm Naven. I use he, him pronouns. I'm Piper and any pronouns. All right, so to start off, let's talk about the common problems we see in media when it comes to all forms of representation. Obviously, we are all Caucasian, so we cannot really talk about certain representations, but we can talk about the queer kind. So let's do it. Common problems we see.     Yeah, it's like they know a lot about fashion. They're sassy.  I'm sassy. Yeah, they're like sassy. They're like flamboyant. They're often like, I feel like this is a feminine gay guy. Like, there's obviously there's nothing wrong with that. Right, but it's just like not. The token, like the go-to. Yeah, the first time I saw that was in the show Glee, which aired in 2009, and it was a character Kirk Hummel, and he was just, his trait was gay, and he sings. That's literally it. And it was like, he got some character results, because it ran for a very long time, but the first thing I knew about him was gay.  Yeah, I mean like the problem with that kind of representation is not like, yeah, you have a gay character, and it's not like necessarily negative.   Just what I am. I have no other personality, no other traits. I'm just queer. Yeah, exactly. Like they're like actual people, just like straight people. They just have different forms of attraction, or like are attracted. Yeah.  So they started to like get more characters. There was a lesbian couple for a little while, not very the healthiest lesbian couple, but it was there. So it's a very interesting show to talk about, and then there's also the obvious lesbian stereotype, which is the butch lesbian. I've seen butch lesbian, and I've also seen like very sexualized lesbian couples. I hate it. Yeah. Yeah. You want to talk about that? I know you two can. That sounds really, that's uncomfortable, but yeah. Very sexualized lesbian. Yeah, no, I feel like lesbians are over-sexualized. It's like straight guys who are like lesbians are hot. Yeah.  I mean, I can't either. Fetishized gay men is like straight women who are like that's hot. It's like, it's like they fetishize it, but then they also like pretend to be an ally. Oh, but they actually, they aren't, they just think it's like hot. Yeah, it's like, they're like, I support you because I read some fan fiction about it, and it's like, it's not what support is. Yeah, I'm gonna go and get mad if people call them out, and I don't know, it's just a whole lot of bad.  I like all of your totally not safe, like all these not safe for work things, like I'm so bad.  It's all just super sexual, and it's like, oh my god. It's like, so because it's like, it's bad rep because it's really, it's all sexualized. It's so sad and disappointing on so many levels. Stripping them of the personality. Yeah.  Yeah. That's really sad.  It's like a weird power dynamic in it. Yeah, it's like, yeah, there's like this, like one guy is like bigger, usually, like sometimes older, like a very uncomfortable age gap, so there's this older... Call me by your name, Koff Koff. Legitimately Koff. I Koff when I'm surprised. So you'll just have like this older guy and like an uncomfortable age gap, like so this older guy might be like 30 or something, and then this younger guy's like maybe 19, and like, sure, it's legal, doesn't mean it's like... It's always a weird power dynamic. Yeah, it's always weird, and like the older guy's like controlling, and the younger guy's like really submissive, and it's seen as like really hot, and I've seen like that sort of relationship dynamic like sexualized and fetishized a lot. So fun fact, I'm a teenager, obviously, and I'm growing up in the day it is now. We have social media, we have like fandoms, we have that place, and I was... There were two stories that I have. There was one where I was in fandom, I was ashamed for having a straight ship, and I was like, I was confused, because first of all, like I'm clearly queer. I think it's pretty obvious. I'm wearing a rainbow dress, I'm doing this, and like I don't hide that online either. So if you like look at anything I've ever done, it's just gay, and they were like, you aren't supporting LGBTQ rights by having a straight ship, and I was like, that's not me. It's like so weird. It was just bizarre, because it was like reversed. It was like backwards. I was like, I'm used to being ashamed for being queer, but like what's going on? Yeah. And then it's another time. It was another time where it was like, you're fetishizing the sexuality, and I'm like, this is my own sexuality. Like I'm not fetishizing it, I'm craving representation. Yeah.  But you're talking about age gap. And I know you and I have discussed Call Me By Your Name, and I know you have feelings on it. Share feelings now. I have never seen Call Me By Your Name. I've read a lot about it. I believe one of them's 17, the other's like 25, 24, something like that. And I just... 17 is underage, too. 17 is underage, and it's just so gross and uncomfortable. I don't know. I just hate that so much.  It's just like, why are you doing that? I just hate that so much. Also, it wouldn't really change the story if you made them a little bit older. Yeah. If you just change the age, it's not gonna affect a lot. Why do you have to choose that age? Why the age gap? I know the movie is based off a... I'm sorry. I know the movie is based off a book, right? And the movie is kind of like what picked up a lot of traction. So they were probably going off the book, but just for the book, like why? Yeah. Like literally what purpose does it serve?   And it's just like, do you not see that that's literally all I see is just people because two white guys share, are in the same room, suddenly it's a gay ship. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.  And another thing is like I've seen a lot of people just shipping to like characters of the same gender. There's just a shipping episode now. Yeah, sorry. It's fine. It's just I'll see like two people shipping to men or like two women just because they're two men or two women. And then like, and even if it's like it's like age gaps, abusive, no matter what, they're just like if you hate it. It's hot.  You're homophobic. You're homophobic. I've been called homophobic so much online and I'm like, what? Online. Online. Because a lot of the time it's like not inherently bad. It's not inherently bad representation until people obviously take it and turn it a little bit weird, but like it's just like not, it's you're close, especially with showrunners, it's like you're close. You're just not there yet.  Instead of just like being there and just like make the queers happy.  Honestly, not even. Like it's not that like it doesn't just make a story that I mean apparently it is hard. Apparently it's hard.  It's just a side-back. That's there. They just happen to be queer. That's literally it. They just happen to like dudes or like women like whatever the yeah it depends. I mean in some cases like in Love Simon where it was all about like that's good. Yeah that's really good. We love Love Simon, it's good, but like watch it. Read it too. Do it all. Sorry I'm interrupting you, but like oh my god. So Love Simon was just all about him like coming to terms with his sexuality and then like coming out or like getting out and like all that stuff. Getting out. Getting out it. Yeah. I said just getting out and I was like we're going to change that. Instead of coming out you just get out. He needed to leave the house, um no, but like that was good representation and it was all about the fact that he was gay, but I mean I don't think that's necessarily bad and like showing like what it's like like having representation that shows like what it's like to be LGBT. But also like you need like not only like stuff like that but also like just other stuff where they're just people. So you opened Love Simon where I'm whole. Yeah. I'm in a talk. Love Simon. The book and the movie are so good.  I love those. I'm not saying like don't have those. I'm just saying like maybe just like make it a side fact occasionally. Or like make just more representation. Or like just don't even like a thing out of it.  Or bi or whatever. Yeah. But Love Simon. They, it's all about him coming into terms with it and the healthy relationship. It's a good, they're the same age. It shows the high, it shows high school really well I think. It also shows the way their parents did it. I love that whole thing with his parents and his family. They handle it so so well. So Becky Albertale who is the writer of the book has done three books. All of them wonderful books. I've read them all. Well I should have seen more but I've only read the gay ones. So there are three gay ones and I've read those. They're all so good. There's the upside of unrequited which is the main character isn't queer but her sister is. She's bi. And those, these two girls are being raised by these two moms. And it's a wonderful story. All so sweet and healthy relationships and it's wonderful. They handle things so well. And then Leia on the off beat or Leia however you want to pronounce it. I know you got, it's Leia. It's literally pronounced Leia. It's Leia. L-E-A-H, Leia. Whatever. Leia on the off beat which is a, it's a sequel to Love Simon. So Love Simon fans you're there. Read the book. It's so under, it's, ooh such a good book. And Leia is shown to, Leia is shown to be bisexual and it's all about her coming to terms with falling in love with her best friend. And her best friend being like I'm straight but I like you so what's going on. And it's, which a mood. And it was just so good. And all of her books that I've read have been absolutely amazing. So check those out if you want good representation. Yeah, honestly like I think Love Simon was the first representation of a gay male relationship at least that I saw that was healthy. Did you come to our, our QSA brought a bunch of people over to see it. Were you with us? Yeah. Okay. That was, yeah. In the theaters?  We're gonna go and we're gonna watch it. It was great. It was just sad that like it wasn't the first representation I've seen of a gay couple. Like good one. Yeah. It's the first good one I've seen and like, like anything else I've seen was just like really stereotyped or really fetishized and now it's nasty. Yeah, also I was like semi outed too. So like having Love, like Love Simon talk about it and I think there was line that was like it was supposed to be like my choice and like my thing. Yeah. And it was, they handled that so well too.  Like it was a good story just by itself a good story and then but it was also just queer. Yeah. Cause like you either get like one or the other. Like either it's a good story or the bad story but it's gay. Yeah, I know. And it's like I end up like sacrificing good writing for a gay cause I'm like I need something please. Yeah, honestly I'd rather just have it all be straight characters than badly written LGBT characters. Yeah. It's just sad. Well just like don't even say. Like just let it be like ambiguous in your story and just like let everyone just be like figure it out. You can put whatever label you want on these characters. I know but another problem with it being ambiguous is there's just gonna be assholes who are like, like mild swearing. Okay. It's too late anyways but there's just gonna be these jerks.  That's fine. Yeah. So there's gonna be these jerks who are just like um who are like you can't label that character that because like the writers didn't say it.   Yeah. Where it's like there was this band essentially on in um Holly Woodward like you can't have queer characters for a very long time and writers were like well we want them so they gave them certain traits just kind of where stereotypes come from is they gave them certain traits I think fact check me on this I think to like so that queer audiences could see it and be like we understand but straight people wouldn't get like up in arms about it and they'd be like they never said they were queer so it's fine like the queer ones know. They're like that was not a friendship kiss I see that so much. People going it's a friendship kiss.  Especially with lesbians. Especially with lesbians. I'm sorry I was thinking of all the like posts where it's like oh she's just being nice to me like when it's like lesbians.  Yeah.  You know I've seen that picture. Pinterest. Is it on Pinterest? It's actually on Instagram. Oh dang. Yeah. Social media diversity. I don't know what that means. I don't think that exists. Queer coding but also there's the opposite of like where people are like leaving it ambiguous to where people are like oh yeah that person's LGBT when they're like not at JK Rowling. Yeah exactly. Should we go into that next? Sure. Harry Potter. Major franchise. Loves it with all my heart. JK Rowling please delete your Twitter. So you can have Twitter. I don't care if anyone's speech but length of stop. So for anyone watching who doesn't know I don't know how you don't know but JK Rowling came out after the books were published if they were all published and she decided that she was going to say Dumbledore who is like Harry's father figure that he was gay and her reasoning for not she defended it by saying that I didn't put it in the books because it was from the perspective of Harry and he wouldn't have seen that.  I mean I was but like I do that with my teachers I'm like are you sure you're straight? What? You just hear them talk about their personal life and I'm like okay anyways moving on but that was her reasoning that's why she didn't put it in the books. Moving on my weird comment why she didn't put it in the books and then that kind of became she didn't get a lot of backlash from that she's getting beginning more recently because she's been doing that a lot now where she's like oh there's one Jewish guy in all of Hogwarts she did that she was like his name was like Anthony Goldstein and he's the one Jewish guy in all of Hogwarts and also just her book in general like they don't have any diversity all the characters are white and except for Dumbledore straight and then to the whole anything too which I don't know if I'm going to. Go for it. So Curse Child is the sequel to Harry Potter it's marketed as like the ninth book I think or the eighth book however many there are I'm a fake fan it'd be the eighth I'm a fake fan I'm sorry but it wasn't actually a book it was a play that wasn't written by JK Rowling and the actress who played Hermione the older Hermione in this play was black but instead of just like leaving it as that just saying like the actress was black because she was the best person for the role which I'm assuming she was. Instead of leaving it at that JK Rowling went on record to say that Hermione was black the whole time when in the book it says Hermione's white face on multiple occasions so now she's just lying and like honestly like if she wanted to make these characters like gay or people of color in the beginning hell yeah but she's doing it after the fact when there's now proof that they're not so it's like I mean with Dumbledore it's like kind of Grindelwald.  That was the exact wording intense sexual relationship. That's like kind of fetish I think it's like you can't like say it's fetish but you can't say it's from a percentage of an 11 year old and then go intense sexual relationship and it's like pick a side and then all kinds of Grindelwald which are the new movies that he don't know that are coming out now in this universe featuring Dumbledore and there have been two and none of them have shown him as gay and the reasoning behind that is that it was like while go I don't know the exact setting but the olden days the olden days it's like the 20s and the reasoning is like Dumbledore is not going to walk up to someone and like his 20s and be like hello I'm gay which is true but you can still show it if he's like with his person in secret person I don't like the word lover it makes his secret person his secret person secret tunnel secret tunnel so there was that whole thing where it's like but it's also like queer coding well first off it's queer baiting but I'm saying you could have queer coded Dumbledore yeah so the gays would know so yeah do we we could queer baiting it's literally just a list of titles like you guys can see this we can go into queer baiting if you want cartoons these two love cartoons I don't understand it but I know you have cartoons cartoons are fantastic do you want to talk about those like you gave me a like a there's on the list you can read some because I forget it's She-Ra, Dragon Prince and Bull-Tongue okay yeah we can talk about that it's a bad show you guys okay we'll go into that later no queer baiting queer baiting I'm not going to talk about it because I don't feel educated on the topic but if you want to go ahead I mean queer baiting is anyone educated that's deep man panic rubbing room sorry I keep cutting you off it's okay so queer baiting is basically just when writers will just say oh yeah we have this character who's LGBT in some way and then they don't really like go through the effort to show the character being LGBT and that's kind of what's happening with Dumbledore honestly queer baiting also isn't just like outright saying it's also kind of like alluding to the fact to attract that audience like in promos they allude to the fact that there's going to be a queer relationship here to attract that audience because mine and they don't show it which is a practice that's used quite a bit and I think a lot of shows especially now people are becoming more aware of what queer baiting is a lot of shows I think have been unrightfully labeled as queer baiting and it becomes this huge thing where it's just like it people are talking about it but they don't really totally understand it it's just like this whole thing that's very messy and convoluted so like some of the big shows that I've been called queer baiting are like show lock supernatural and you could make an argument for those shows I only watch show lock but they have been labeled as queer baiting and some unrightfully show some unrightfully show bad pun but it happened so it's just this whole messy convoluted thing I don't know it's just kind of messed up because you're playing to a minority and being like hey we're going to show you representation that you've literally never gotten and then still not delivering especially with like I think it's different because you can't really do that with a other minority it's like when it's people of color you would see it in the promo whereas here it's like friendship kiss I don't know I just let it sound so funny how many friendship kisses have you ever had let's not talk about that anyways so that's what queer baiting is and a lot of shows have been labeled it and it's just kind of depending on the law and J.K. Rowling and all of that it's like you say he's gay here's an opportunity to show it you're not taking it to be fair there are three more movies to be fair the two movies aren't that good so we don't really know she's again on twitter she's coming after me for this script that I wrote and I know how it's going to play out but I still have three more movies to do this so like calm down and wait there we could totally be all up and on without nothing it's happened before so it's all just kind of like whew queer representation is such like a hard topic to talk about it's like we need it and we want it people are kind of doing it kind of not it's all messy because you don't really know I've seen shows like active shows probably not the right word but like shows that are like on the air on the air thank you like it's kind of hard to like label a show that's on the air as queer baiting because you don't know yeah because you don't know because it's still going but I don't know I've seen shows that like have a gay couple that's like healthy relationship this is an umbrella academy but it's like a healthy gay relationship nothing about an umbrella academy is healthy he's part gorilla and there's incest it's also like unstable it's not healthy job there's a healthy gay relationship in there as far as we can tell and I'm saying that because it was shown very briefly we know they had a relationship it is very sweet I love it but also like it's not exactly queer baiting not I think it is I mean sort of but it's also there's more seasons to come yeah so we could get more of that but it's like so we get like the small snippet of the gay relationship so cute it's very cute and then we also get like a three minute dance scene that's basically like incest I'm sorry it's incest they're adopted siblings yeah that's nothing much about yeah but it was like a straight relationship it was the main straight relationship in a show yeah it's like the main relationship so umbrella academy is an interesting case because it is like a flashback as it's shown but also there are a lot of seasons to come and did they use it in the promos a lot I don't think it could be qualified queer baiting if they didn't really use it in the promos and it's kind of this thing that's like here now if they're using it to lure the audience then I think it's like gray territory about like what you're doing here but like but also like if you're doing a specifically queer thing you're gonna show that in the promos so it's all very convoluted yeah so we were just talk very that was very vague it was very vague but yeah because it's so hard to explain I don't even know what happened in the show I recommend it but like yeah it's so I brought it up and we didn't deliver let's deliver it now so the list that I do remember was we have a list we're prepared she wrote I haven't seen it I heard there are lesbians are there lesbians there are lesbians so okay season 2 is like about to come out and like in season 1 it wasn't like there wasn't anything like super big like as far as I noticed I didn't finish season 1 oh okay no I got like halfway through okay so there are there are lesbians but they're kind of like at the end there are lesbians like we knew that they were two like queens or something which we need to also talk about later with yeah dragon pants on but she wrote these two princesses like they were introduced like in the beginning but they weren't like really introduced they were just kind of there but like me and my friend group just kind of there and like I don't know a lot of the fandoms kind of like also like yeah this is like a lot of like gay like it's like it's hard for me to explain but if you like watched it like you might kind of get it but I'm also kind of like it's like just a wholesome but also interesting kind of show in a way but are they out like out really shown as gay the two queens they're like yeah we're in a relationship and they both sorry kick ass like together I also found a swear word you guys are fine I don't think well it's too late now but like they kick ass together at the end and they're both like really happy and it's like cute and it's like oh yeah I love that cause I'm like a kid show too where it's like finally show the baby let them know and so I'm like not a baby but a cover so Beau Beau is like against toxic masculinity and it's like so great and he's like wholesome and he's just wonderful there are some like things about how he has like two fathers which Jesus had two dads wasn't shown in the Beau is Jesus I love you Jesus but the fathers weren't shown in the first season so I'm like hoping this Friday tune in not on this Fira tune in to Netflix on the 26th of April tune in to Netflix but that's amazing too cause in a kid show and it's like a cartoon market it's kind of gathered like a teen audience a little bit more your teen it's also a kid show which is super good and I love wholesome kid shows if I had had that stuff my short life would have been a lot easier and like this period of time where it was like struggling like what is gay I don't know what is the homosexual I do not understand it would have been a lot easier cause it's like oh that character is queer come on my cool I can be that character there you go and it's like role models they're important give them them and they don't make a big deal out of it they're just gay that's it maybe we'll get more gay or maybe you'll crash and burn we'll see maybe I mean and then you would I was going to talk about dragon prints watch the first episode it's a good show I like the show you both only watch cartoons it's literally just the two of you that just watch cartoons and chat about it what's the heck is going on so in dragon prints in the second season there are two queens you're a queen so the queens of durran and it's shown in a flashback it's shown in a flashback it's like kingdom so it's shown in a flashback kind of like a bra on the cat but it's shown in a flashback even though they have a child and that child is the ruler of that kingdom kingdom of korean kingdom of korean is that what you said yes they also kick ass together and they do have an on screen kiss the fact that queens isn't a big deal and they're very respected because they're queens and it was unexpected oh oh oh oh oh oh oh but the advert hasn't think about the two queens they had two people kiss it was a friendship kiss and they made a whole problem a huge problem about it and they used it for advertising everywhere we have lesbians it was a weird thing where they kissed in front of the popular girl that seemed like for shock value and the popular girl went out, lesbians aren't shocking anymore they just used it for this whole thing it got me and then that was the whole thing and they used it and Riverdale sucks that reminded me of that literally friends that literally boast straight have love interests another show is adventure time there's like a little box man that has the high voice with the boys I was also thinking bimo I haven't seen it yes because of the two lesbians I think one of them is bi the goth and the bubble gum I know things some of it up until season 5 and I had watched the show when I was a kid I knew they were going to get together I had heard it I knew it was going to happen I remember being like did they even build up to that they actually did which really surprised me it's like a 10 season show all the way back in season but all the way back in season 3 they were really developing that way it's another cartoon in this show it's a sequel to afterloss airbender this fantasy world we're finally giving a plot summary it's a good bit after the last airbender I'm sorry sorry you are giving one basically in the last airbender there wasn't all this technology it's kind of like in the industrial revolution time and it's kind of like that it's very interesting it's a fantasy world this is on a new avatar an exciting time I can recite the intro you're not special for first 3 seasons I think there are these 2 characters the main character I saw me sorry I was thinking Hygienic's Pursue I'm sorry Korra we need like a flow chart 4 main characters basically Korra is like Mako and that's her first love interest and Mako is like a saw me Mako's into a saw me basically at the end of that Korra is recovering all her friends are writing her a saw me I'm getting that right 4 wasn't free so I didn't watch it but a saw me for a while they only talk via letter back and forth letters that's very nice they're both by they're writing the letters they hold hands they go on to a vacation there's actually comics but no one read those but in the show the biggest thing about it is the characters I watched all the way because season 4 was not free there's not a lot of they kiss on the comics they're married in the comics they're fighting for rights that's what happens but in the show a saw me is like friendship it's a friendship marriage it's for tax benefits why else would you get married that was not a great summary there's not a ton of build up but when did the show come out it's been a kid show in the comics it's good representation in the show I have biased opinions I don't like the show regardless of that I don't have one show for a long time each season has a different plot they don't overact I'm like what the hell is wrong I'm like okay it's a lot more in the comics with earlier shows it wasn't as easy to put out representation people didn't want it in kids shows people would still be up in arms about it maybe they just shoved it in maybe they just tried to slide it into that last season it's over and no one can bitch at them about it we established ass we're not one past ass we are far past ass what was I going to say I'm gone it's gone I was too late but in the kids shows more recent kids I think they shoved it in at the end they were watching their show it will appease the gays but straights won't stop watching at the end we get our woke points that's true but also the comics but no one's going to read the comics the comics are a big part of the avatar universe people love those they had really important plot things in there too support it with the show they couldn't have always done that Nickelodeon was probably like okay you're done why did Nickelodeon publish the comics airtime first of all there's only so many things you can cram into whatever you could easily have made them you're right but you don't have to take up airtime what if they had other projects I'm spitballing here I could be completely wrong and I also agree with you like I said it's before with the kind of fight or convoluted none of us are educated it also wasn't really queerbait I know you two weren't like in-depth but it's also like this with other shows too or they might not have been able to put that representation in or they would have been cancelled that's kind of a big can of worms Voltron is a more recent cartoon show meaning the argument of that they couldn't have really put it in because they would lose you it's still valid but not as valid when was the first season I'm professional correct me if I'm wrong but the main issue was they were a couple seasons in and then they just said Shiro was gay and then there was nothing for another few seasons suddenly he had a boyfriend and he was married the last season he gets married but his first although war time but also Voltron again cartoon show fantasy universe it was an old 80s show it's better than that so with this whole show it cultivated this huge online following this huge fandom it was beautiful in the beginning it was a wonderful fandom and then it all went to hell the show and the fandom the show itself I enjoyed the first season and then the later seasons as a show itself I think it does fairly good with other forms of representation there are people of color there are people of different backgrounds different ethnicities and it's a really good show in that aspect they did better than the 80s cartoon because they had more women representation different people of color it was beautiful in the beginning and then people started wondering like oh they're good at this maybe they're going to be queer representation they kind of put it out they're like oh there's going to be this the actors are kind of hinting at it everyone started getting really excited because there's just one huge ship that was in the fandom and people were like it's going to be canon it's going to be great it's going to be these two main characters together and it's going to be canon it's going to be great I'm trying to think of which one I'm very excited and I was very excited because I followed the show from the beginning and I was like heck yes let's go bring on the gays hit me with that gay shit no anyways so it was very simple we're very happy and then as the seasons progressed nothing really happened and then finally we kind of got towards the tail end of it and this one character his name is Shiro he was shown to be a gay man a gay man didn't they hint at him being gay or not hint but then they would just say Shiro was gay in an earlier season no they literally did nothing and he was out of the blue he had a dead boyfriend I watched all eight seasons knowing he was going to be gay I watched it from the beginning knowing he was going to be gay I saw nothing they put it in there because one fans wanted it and it wasn't bad by itself this character Shiro and his boyfriend is good but they just like as a story very good but with all the background of the show runners worked on Legend of Korra so people were very excited because they were like Legend of Korra is gay and they did the exact same thing they did Legend of Korra putting it in at the end no build up gosh that makes sense they did the same thing season 8 oh yeah they kissed that's it but in Korra they didn't kiss so in season 7 Shiro was shown as a gay man he has a boyfriend who passes in season 7 spoilers he dies and then in season 8 it's like the end screen they're going through what happened to all these characters after the show and suddenly Shiro got married we didn't know the character that Shiro got married to I had to google his name nobody knows it just suddenly yeah everyone was like in the control room and then they were just like there and like here's a guy no one cares about marry him he's a male your male go for it I mean it was weird also like there's one thing that bothered me and might just because of the fandom but like Shiro was like the captain of that ship and the Curtis was the Curtis his name something like and just he's like part of the crew and people sorry anyway yeah I know that uncomfortable power dynamic uncomfortable power dynamic and I didn't see a lot of that thankfully it was just like a weird thing that happened and it's like they could have also put rep in or like they could have shown that Shiro was gay because like throughout the show the other characters are like talking about their family and like people from home and they could have it's nothing we don't know anybody's home life somebody's a dead boyfriend yeah that's like all we know but like we didn't even know that until like yeah they honestly it could have like I still love the show I still you guys probably have it I love the show I love the show I think it's a very good show I love the stories by itself I think that it could have been done much much better we're running out of time and this whole show has been kind of negative so I think I'm gonna just list off a few good representation one day at a time the show on that because that was sadly canceled because crew Netflix it was so it was next one love you Netflix don't get mad at me they're gonna see this show and they're gonna get so mad but it's a wonderful show it's about a single Cuban mother who was a war veteran has PTSD raising these two kids one most obviously Cuban and they are raising these two kids one of whom is shown realizes and sexuality at the course of the show it handles mental health it handles racism it handles sexism it handles homophobia it handles so many of these things wonderfully again sadly canceled after pre-seasons but beautiful watch it amazing didn't another network pick it up or am I wrong I don't think so I haven't heard since 8 is another Netflix show I saw a little bit of it but it has a transgender character and I think all the main characters are confirmed pansexual literally this kind of blanket they all gay and it was like hell yeah so that's exciting and the transgender woman married her partner on the show beautiful loved it so good we talked about love simon we talked about umbrella academy Magnus Chase and the book series ran by Rick Rarden and it's the it's about this homeless guy who is part god fun fact and it's a wonderful it's a wonderful book series and there's a main Muslim character there's a gender fluid character the main character pansexual there's a deaf character all these are main characters too and it's beautiful and Rick Rarden this really good job at representation his first book you like he kind of tricked Disney which is really funny his first book is like about these inherently like normal kids all white all like straight and it's he like and then like it grew popularity and people started like wanting other books and he kept writing them and he kept writing them they got more and more diverse and even the beginning all the three main characters have learning abilities so super good all of his books so good so wholesome they were the books that got me into reading and honestly as they age with the queerness so did I and I followed them and it was so helpful so that's good well I got on this list you guys talked about all the cartoons that you liked so that's exciting and then symptoms of being human is also a really good book it's about a gender fluid character who runs a blog and it's in like an anonymous blog and then outed and it's super good love it and I also love that they in that symptoms of being human they never specifically say the birth sex to the whole time or it's like they're just gender fluid it's like you don't know anything else it just figures in the fluid and it's really wonderful super good books what else do I have I'm trying to think in my head now because I'm out of the list is gone I have honestly read so many and we get an episode similar to this too where if you want to hear me about other ones go there and then I think we're going to end this so everyone we're going to go down and we're going to say our final last words or take away whatever the sentence we want to stick in their brains after they end the show so we're going to start with pepper why me because I'm not ready and I control this so go I don't know what to say here I don't know I'm just like trying to process everything already so back to the dragon friends last sentence they have a lot of other diverse characters it's not just the queens of dirt they have like a mute character is she I think no she's not deaf no she's mute they have people of color there's a third season coming out it's a very good show a lot of diversity also read the comics from the Legend of Korra because yes it's gay representation is important and it's like a double edge story really because you can do it wonderfully you can do it horribly just try your best to do it horribly and also it's really difficult trying to seek out books that you see represented but they are out there they're hard to find but they are out there and don't be an ass is that the take away just don't be an ass all of this youth edition and just like don't be an ass is that it? this has been all things LGBTQ plus youth edition thank you for watching we'll see you next month


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The emo state governor, Hope Uzardimma, says all hands must be on deck to fight the rise and antiquity facing the state, due to the activities of unknown gunmen, speaking during his democracy day broadcast in government house over a day. Governor Uzardimma said some people in the state are busy stalking the fire of antiquity rather than down send the tension. He said regrettably, some notable or notable leaders in the state are using the social media to spread a false hood without condemning the hoodlums. I used the opportunity of this occasion of our democracy day to appeal to everyone to shoot himself. I believe that as brothers and sisters from the same state, we can resolve our differences and make them without resort to violence. The emo state has been known as the bastion of hospitality and peace. We should collectively come together to rebuild our state and build this economy. With what has happened, investments have jeopardized and may soon take flight. Our youths are losing the few jobs they have. This should not be the legacy we should leave for our children. In the spirit of democracy, I am willing and available for any meaningful dialogue that will bring an end to violence in our state.


Hello everyone. We're about to record a show. Here we go. I've decided to show my support for The Daily Tech News Show. Well, how could this have been done? Simple. All I did was go to patreon.com.ace.detect and pledge a dollar a month. Hey, it's only a dollar for some awesome content. Value for value, right? Go ahead and take it away, Tom. This is The Daily Tech News for Monday, October 19th, 2015. I'm Tom Merritt, joining me today as she does most Mondays. Ms. Veronica Belmont, DTNS contributor and host of Dear Veronica on Engadget. Hiya, Benvy. I'm great. How are you, Tom? I am good. We are joined today by a very exciting guest, Mr. Josh Clark, senior writer at HowStuffWorks.com and co-host of the podcast Stuff You Should Know. Thanks for joining us, Josh. Tom, thank you for having me. We are going to talk about turning your trash into power, which sounds a little bit like a self-help book, but that's not what it is at all, is it, Josh? No, it's not. It's exactly what it sounds like if you think it's not like a self-help book. There you go. If you take that big value, it's right there. Although you could conceivably burn, well, not burn, but you could turn trashed self-help books into this power. Definitely. You could get a lot of power from that. I've always said this show is becoming increasingly trashy. So this is just proof of that. That's how we make it more powerful, Veronica. Oh, of course. Of course. All right, we're going to get to that in a bit, but let's start with some headlines. Xiaomi announced the Mi TV 3 because they like to rhyme in English. It's a 60-inch 4K display with a detachable sound bar that contains speakers, as you might expect, but also a processor, storage, and running the Mi UI software. So it's kind of like a cross between a sound bar and a Roku. The bar can be purchased separately for RMB999 if you're in China. The full package with the TV runs $4,999 RMB. That's about $800 US, both coming to China. Xiaomi's portfolio company Ninebot also announced its first product since it acquired Segway back in April. The Ninebot Mini is a scooter without a handle. It can be controlled by movements in your legs or by an app on your phone. It can travel 22 kilometers on a charge, up to 16 kilometers an hour, and will be available for $1,999 RMB. Both products are coming to China November 3rd. I like this idea of a detachable thing so that you can just upgrade your TV's processor without having to get a whole new TV. I love that because just being able to have some sort of control over electronics in that way, that's not something we can typically do. If you want to upgrade your TV, the way you do that is you buy a new TV. So didn't Samsung have something called the Evolution Pack that's supposedly just put onto the back of your TV? Yeah, exactly. But that was just for the internals. So this is like halfway between that and a full-on Yamaha soundbar packed together with a Roku, I guess. And the prices keep shocking me at first, and then I see the dollar amount after that. I'm like, oh, that's quite reasonable actually. Yeah, so bad. I love this next story. Facebook announced it'll start sending users banner notifications if the company suspects state-sponsored attackers have targeted their account. In a blog spot post, Facebook claims government-sponsored attacks tend to be more advanced and dangerous and warrant notification. Facebook stresses the notification does not mean the site itself has been compromised, and they really don't say what you're supposed to do if you see that banner. They say that you should secure your accounts, but I'm not sure how much they actually get into how you go about doing that. Yeah, they say turn on login notifications, which sends a code to your phone anytime you log in. It's a two-factor authentication type of thing. But I guess if you have that on already, I don't know. Well, this is happening to you. Good luck with that. We just want to let you know that there's a state-sponsored attack happening on your account right now. We can't really do anything about it. We are not compromised. You might be. Maybe they can gamify it, and you can collect badges. Like, I was hacked by Estonia, no Russia. The big one's China. Yeah, and there's a difference for, like, well, the IP address was China, so I only got a bronze badge versus, like, no, we definitely confirmed it was from China. Apple's App Store has removed apps after an analytics service source DNA found 256 applications. We're using private APIs to collect user information like email addresses, the parts of your devices, serial numbers, and a list of installed apps. Chinese app developers were using an SDK from a Chinese ad company called UMEI, and according to source DNA, UMEI tested obfuscation techniques slowly to see just what they could sneak through Apple's App Review process. Flying Spatula, SP Sheridan, and Star Fury Zeta all submitted a version of this story on the subreddit. Wow. So it is interesting how they were able to get this approval through the App Store process because the SDK didn't look like it was doing anything bad at first. So now it was a bad, we've had bad Xcode downloads previously, and now we're getting bad SDK. This is, things are getting a little interesting over there in the Apple App Store world. Yeah, it got popular, right? When things get popular and people start trying to poke holes in it. In more Apple news, Mac Rumors reports Apple will replace retina displays on MacBook and MacBook Pros whose anti-reflective coding is wearing away or delaminating. Affected customers will need to schedule a Genius Bar appointment or visit an Apple authorized service provider to see if they qualify. Eligible customers have three years from the date of purchase or one year from October 16th, 2015, whichever is longer, to get the fix. Customers that are already paid for out-of-warranty repair may be eligible for a refund through Apple Care Support. Sources tell Mac Rumors Apple does not plan to announce the program publicly. Why? So that's funny. This whole story sounds perfectly fine up until you get to the part where they're like, oh, we're not going to ever admit this. I was like, oh, this is nice. It's a good thing that they're doing this. It's good that they're getting the word out. Knows they're somehow leaking it through Mac Rumors or various other press outlets who are figuring it out. That's weird. It's a weird thing to do. Do they still test the hardware for like nicotine or something like that and then just reject it outright? For nicotine? Yeah. Didn't Apple used to do that? If you sent in your Macbook or anything like that for service, they would test it for nicotine.  Right. There was the water spot detector, too. That's what I knew about. The water spot detector actually makes sense. I forgot about the nicotine thing. That's awesome. Google for Work said on Monday it will cover the fees for a Google Apps subscription for enterprise clients who have pre-existing enterprise agreements with a competitor. Google said it will also help out with deployment costs of up to $25 per user. Of course, once the competitor's contract runs out, regular Google App rates will apply. Plans available for companies in the U.S. and Canada, but Google hopes to bring it to other countries. So they're aggressively trying to ease the cost of transitioning from IBM, Microsoft, et cetera, to using Google for Work. Seems like a good incentive. Yeah. Pay for stuff. That'll incentivize people. And Google says they claim that you would get a 70% reduction in costs on an ongoing basis as well because they're priced better, et cetera, et cetera. Saving, saving, savings. Come on down to Google's crazy enterprise. Captain Kipper sent us the news that the trial is over and Amazon is now going to charge its promised $299 a year for Amazon Fresh Grocery Delivery Service. That fee gets you a standard Amazon Prime subscription as well as free delivery on orders more than $50. For comparison, Engadget points out Rival Instacart offers an annual subscription for $99 a year and free delivery for orders over $35, putting Amazon in the unfamiliar position of being the more expensive option out there on the market. Now, of course, Instacart doesn't come with free Amazon Prime, which is obviously a huge draw. But I'm kind of shocked about that. I was looking forward to trying this, but $300 a year. I mean, I got in on the $99 Amazon Prime level, so this is not a huge incentivizer for me. I think I'll stick with Instacart for my lazy shopping days. If I'm paying for something like this and then I have to pay a delivery fee on top of that, first of all, to order enough that I'd have to pay a $50 delivery fee seems kind of crazy. And then to say, oh, but you're also spending $300 a year. I just don't see myself ever wanting to do this. And I live in Los Angeles where no one wants to drive. Delivery is important. Frankly, Instacart has had some flack in the past for raising prices on items in the stores that they were shopping to get an additional margin on those. But now they notify you which stores are prices as is.  Okay, this Whole Foods, the prices are the same on Instacart as they are if I went into the store. Not all stores are going to be like that. I don't yet know if Amazon is doing a similar thing if they're adding an additional fee on top of the delivery charge on top of the $299 a year subscription fee. So we'll say none of that. They have to cover their costs on all that superfluous packaging and shipping stuff that they use unnecessarily. I guess that's probably, that explains it for me. But they're driving up in a truck. They already own the infrastructure though. The weird thing is, do they really need to charge this much? They already have drivers out there. They're already doing deliveries every day. They have to actually get the people to go in and do the shopping though I don't know what their setup there is. They may be doing a Google Express thing where they have groceries in a centralized location. I don't know what their infrastructure looks like for grocery shopping. Yeah, I would guess they have some sort of warehouse or something like that. I mean like if they're going to the store, surely they're not. I would guess they're buying groceries on mass and then just distributing them as needed, right? Yeah, I think they're webbanging them. You think they're doing it that way? Yeah, I think Amazon has a centralized location for most of these items. They're not doing the going around and shopping thing. But still, like... So for me, that makes me feel like the price should be less. Right, exactly. I know there are human beings going to the store buying the items and texting me if they can't find what they need and letting me know. I don't know if there's going to be that same level of service. Yes, I use Instacart occasionally. I buy the same stuff all the time. I need to browse. You can't discover products from local shops and restaurants. So you can. They do have some shoppers going out. Just double check that. Okay, good. All right. Well, okay. Just $299 though, really. A lot. A lot. That's a lot of cabbage. You get the prime stuff. You get the free shipping on all Amazon products and the shows and the music and all this stuff. Well, someday they'll deliver it by drone and then it'll be worth it. Until then, the US Department of Transportation and the USFAA are still working on creating a task force to develop streamlined registration processes for some consumer drones. That's right, folks. You may have to register your drone with the United States government. The group will also determine which aircraft, like toys or small drones, that should be exempt due to low safety risk. Recommendations are due November 20th from that task force. Have you registered your drone? I don't have a drone. Or do I? I'm doing this as well. What's that, Josh? I'm drone-less as well. Although the moment someone fired a gun using a drone, I'm fine with the government requiring people to register their drones from that point on. Well, there's a backdoor second amendment issue, isn't there? I think because of the problems that they've had near airports and near wildfires here in California particularly, the idea of coming up with some kind of system like this isn't a horrible idea, and we should jump all over them right at the beginning of the task force. Let's see how they end up defining it. But I know a lot of people who just fly drones and parks recreationally and behave themselves will definitely chafe at the idea of, wait, I have to register my drone. Now that's ridiculous. Well, yeah, especially if there's a fee for it, which I imagine there would be, hopefully it wouldn't be exorbitant, because I mean you make a pretty good case there are a lot of people out there just want to fly their drone around the park and don't have any nefarious ideas behind it. Well, Lenovo got its new PC announcements out finally. The 13-inch Yoga 900 has Skylake i5 and i7 processors with up to 16 gigabytes of RAM and up to 512 gigabytes SSD. The convertible starts to ship today starting at $1,199.99 and 1,199 pounds in the UK and comes in silver, orange and gold. Lenovo has launched the Yoga Home 900. Be careful if you order one right away because Yoga Home is a 27-inch touchscreen tabletop PC with 5th generation Core i5 and i7 processors with a 3-hour battery life. If you're not familiar, the form factor is essentially a giant tablet with a kickstand. It's available for order now for $14.99 US. No, I ordered the Yoga 900, not the Yoga 900 Home. I don't have a home big enough for the Yoga 900 Home. I'm so confused. Like why would you do that? Why would you name a 27-inch tablet, which is, first of all, we'll talk about that separately, the same as your 13-inch tablet or I guess it's a convertible laptop. Yeah, so a 27-inch touchscreen tabletop PC is the Yoga Home 900? Yes, they're both the Yoga 900. One just says home. But what's the home 900? Because it's the size of a house. Ah, yes. That's how you remember it. 27 inches, that's pretty big. Yeah.  There's IMAX tops out at 27 inches and everything. But as a tablet, I mean it's a tablet with a kickstand. It sounds like a Microsoft Surface, basically, with a kickstand. Remember when they first came out with it and Bjork was making music with it and all that? Right. The big table version. Not the little laptop convertible that's called the Surface Now. I know what you're talking about. Right, right. Yeah, the original one. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So if you put that and raise it up, I think that's this. If Bjork would deliver it to my house. That'd be cool. Yeah. With a drone. Flying on top of a drone. Finally, thanks to the dozens of you who pointed out this weekend that the one terabyte version of the Microsoft Surface book became available. I had said I was considering buying one, but I wanted it to have one terabyte hard drive. And now it does for a pre-order price of $3,200, shipping in seven to eight weeks sometime in late January. So I'll be mortgaging my home in order to buy one of those. And that's a look at the headlines. All right, let's talk about plasma converters. Now, Josh, I'm going to let you explain it, but in brief, the way I understand it is this is something that can convert trash into various molecules that can then themselves as gases or heat be converted to energy. But there's no actual burning going on. Is that right? No, huh? It actually uses, well, plasma, first of all, is considered the fourth state of energy. It's like a gas, but it's like a cookie gas where electrons are free roaming, which means it has an electrical charge and it creates an electromagnetic field. And you can produce plasma. Well, it's basically like lightning. When lightning rips through the air, the air around it gets super heated and turns into plasma itself. This is basically the same thing. It's like creating a little lightning torch where you have an electrical arc running through it and you're just pushing air through and it super heats it to about 6,000 degrees and all sorts of nutty stuff happens. But one thing that doesn't happen is combustion. So there's actually not burning, which is really difficult to wrap your head around when you're thinking of something that's 6,000 degrees, the temperature, the surface of the sun, but it's actually not burning. It's just deforming. It's disintegrating basically. Disintegrating. That makes sense. So you get your Dr. Frankenstein lightning ray to hit the trash and disintegrate it and then what happens? It's pretty awesome. So trash, just like any matter, is basically a store. It's an energy store. It's just locked in as potential energy. And when you expose that stuff to really, really high temperatures, it decomposes. Like, just immediately. Trash will decompose over time just given the right circumstances. This immediately decomposes it to not only its molecular level, but its elemental level. So it just turns it into carbon atoms or cadmium atoms or whatever. And it either gasifies if it's an organic material or it turns into what's called slag, which is this molten lava stuff that eventually turns into something like obsidian. If it's inorganic. And that's it. And that gas can be used for all manner of stuff. So, for example, when you let the gas exit the chamber where you put in the garbage and the plasma torch is running and everything's just magically happening, the gas that's escaping, it's really, really hot. So if you let it into a chamber that has a gas turbine in it, it will expand very rapidly and it will spin that turbine with electricity. That's phase one, right? You can also pump that gas a little further. It's still very hot even after it's spun the gas turbine. And you can run it through a pool of water, turn it into steam. And you can use that steam to turn another turbine and generate more electricity. And then the sin gas, this gas that escaped, is now usable for basically like, it's like natural gas. It has about half the energy and the impact of natural gas. But basically the same thing. So you can burn it and then spin yet another turbine and generate even more electricity. And the beauty thing is, is you can use this system to power the plasma torches themselves. It's mind-bogglingly elegant and beautiful. It's one of my favorite things in the world. And its by-product is dragon glass? Yes, yes, basically. Not only dragon glass, you can lock radioactive material into and trap it in like a genie for thousands of years. There's nothing wrong with this technology. It's one of the greatest things we've got on earth right now. And I don't understand why people aren't running around in the streets like just shouting plasma gasification.  It turns into molten lava and gas. The molten lava turns into it stores hazardous waste safely. The other gas gives you electricity three ways. And then at the end, is there any other emission coming out? So yeah, you would have to, after you burn the sin gas in the third stage, you would need to capture that stuff. Scrub it of any maybe heavy metals or particulates that are still in there. Any carbon monoxide. Anything that might still be in there that you wouldn't release in the atmosphere. You just scrub it using normal processes that are already in place for fossil fuel powered electricity plants. And then just release it as an inert gas into the atmosphere. So again, there's like nothing wrong with this stuff at all. So is anybody using this? And why aren't more people, as you say, using it? Because it seems like a pretty good way to not only create energy with minimal byproducts, but also get rid of these huge landfills and barges full of garbage. Yeah, that's the beautiful thing about it, right? So there's usually two things that are a challenge to any alternative sources of energy. Usually it's net energy input, which means that a lot of these things where you do get energy from them, you actually have to put in more than you get out, because it's useless at this moment. It seems like plasma gasification has that one licked. The other one is expense. And that's the one that's the big challenge still to plasma gasification. It's a fairly expensive proposition to set up a plasma gasification plant. But its direct competitor is the landfill. And the landfill is, it's become increasingly expensive in recent years itself as the price of land, well, buying land to dig a hole and put garbage in, that's kind of expensive as well. So if a plasma gasification plant sets up shop next to a landfill, they can actually make money on the back end by generating this electricity, because they usually have enough left over to sell to the grid. And then that slag, that molten stuff that comes out of the bottom, it has all sorts of wonderful uses as well from cleaning up oil spill, using it as insulation and houses, using it as a paver stones. So they can make money after they burn the garbage, which means that they can keep their tipping fees the cost you have to pay to drop your garbage off lower than a landfill. So the way I put it is if you own a landfill and someone sets up a plasma gasification plant in your town, you're probably in trouble. Because it also has that environmental impact as well. It's taking garbage energy directly from it rather than just putting it in the ground and walking away and hoping for the best. And then maybe building a subdivision over it that eventually becomes haunted probably. That is how that works. Yeah, definitely. You can burn anything of this, not just trash. You can burn ghosts, I would assume, right? It doesn't matter. There's no ghost energy by putting this process. But that's one of the things. These things are a victim of their own success. There's one in Utsushinai, Japan I believe is where it was that actually shut down because it ran out of feedstock. Which means that they ate up all the garbage in the area and just went offline. And it was a pilot project to be certain, but that is a potential problem in the future with the clients that there won't be enough garbage to take in and gasify. And they'll have to go offline periodically. A few people in the chat room are shouting about the second law of thermodynamics. This doesn't violate that because you have to have trash. It's not a perpetual motion machine because you have to keep feeding it trash. That's exactly right. And again, you're just taking something that has potential energy stored by exposing it to these high temperatures which weakens its molecular bonds which lets that locked energy just go kaboom in the form of heat. So, yeah, I know it doesn't violate any laws. It's actually a great application of it. So there's something like nine locations currently operating this. I saw one of them is a Ford-class aircraft carrier that's testing this for the US Navy. Yeah, that will hopefully be just operating by burning its own waste. And again, it's not burning. It's pyrolysis, but consuming. You can be difficult to talk about this and not refer to it as burning, you know? Yeah, disintegrating, consuming, pyrolysising. Thank you. Yeah, it's tough. Now, one of the things I ran across you guys have a great article at HouseStuffWorks.com which, by the way, written by Jonathan Strickland, a regular on the show. So we'll have that link in the show notes. So, you know, the amount of tons per day is enough for the plant to be able to power itself. So it generates enough energy to keep itself running. And then sell some power back to the grid. Right. So you do need a consistent supply of trash. Would we ever, if this caught on, would we get in a situation where we would not, like opposite of today, we would not have enough things coming into the landfill? Yeah, I mean, I think that it is a potential challenge that these things come into the future. I mean, I think there's a lot of garbage out there that you wouldn't necessarily have to worry about it, but yeah, that's a potential problem in the future. In fact, there's a proposed plant down in Port St. Lucie, Florida. And they estimate that after 18 years they will have used up all of the incoming trash, although there will still be more trash, but at some point they're going to have new landfills.  And at that point, I don't know what they would do. Well, fortunately, there's a never-ending supply of garbage on the internet. Right, yes. I'm just used that. For sure. I mean, that would probably raise new questions down the road. Like if this is how we were getting a significant part of our energy at some point, maybe materials designers would design materials that were more efficient when they were put through this process and gasified later on.  I love the idea. Oh, go ahead, Veronica. Oh, no, I was just going to say smart garbage. Yeah, I love the idea of I read one scenario where they put it with an existing power plant so they can take advantage of a lot of the scrubbing and systems for dealing with the inert gas that comes out of it which reduces the cost of building the plant in the first place. But also, to me, that's kind of the stretch goal here is instead of having landfills or instead of having standalone plants built by landfills you attach this kind of plasma converter to an existing power plant of some sort and as trash comes in you pyrolysis it or consume it or whatever and turn it into energy and if you don't have enough trash then you've still got another power plant working and you keep pumping power into the grid. And it's like a supplement to an existing coal fire power plant. So basically you put it through the normal process but as that gas is escaping or being piped out you just put it into the coal fire flue and that, like I said, it's kind of like natural gas the sting gas kind of accelerates the coal fire zone fire and it actually reduces the amount of coal you would have to use. Thanks to, again, garbage which is really the most elegant thing about this. This is something we want to get rid of anyway and this is a way of harvesting like 70 to 80% of the energy that's locked in that stuff that we want to get rid of rather than letting it decompose and go to waste. Literally go to waste. So you can consume anything in this because it's not, again, it's not burning it, it's just disintegrating it. So medical waste, human waste is there anything it can't do? So supposedly there is some kinds of radioactive material that could be very dangerous to do but I believe that you can't typically treat a lot of radioactive waste, not necessarily all. And then that statistic you gave about a thousand tons where you would have enough to power a thousand tons per day of municipal waste is enough to not only power the plant but also sell some back to the grid out of that thousand tons you would get something like 20 tons of stuff that was still very hazardous because there are elements that pose a threat to us like cadmium and mercury and fluorine and stuff like that that would be there in its purest elemental form highly dangerous. So we would still have some waste but that's like 2% of all of this other stuff that we got all this great energy from but for the most part anything you put through will be rendered to its elemental form and if you have a swine flu outbreak or something like that this will render all that stuff inert. Just about any toxic waste it will render it inert and you don't have this dangerous stuff any longer but it seems to be that highly radioactive material is the biggest challenge to it. Everything else just toss it in there see what happens that's crazy we'd have to like decide to recycle things on purpose that we didn't want to be disintegrated exactly well this is fantastic and this is just a sample of the sort of wonderful things you get from the stuff you should know podcast as well as the kind of articles you can find at howstuffworks.com Josh this is fantastic we're gonna get some emails before we go but thank you for explaining that to us. Thank you thank you this is fun you can tell I'm really psyched about this kind of stuff. Yeah I know it's a cool technology and chat rooms full of questions about this I would ask you to direct them to howstuffworks.com because Josh is the guy who's been looking into this but no it's not a perpetual motion machine because you have to keep fueling it with trash and you could put it by a landfill but eventually even with people continuing to bring stuff to the landfill you might run out you might be burning or not burning but consuming trash faster than people can bring it in. Exactly but it could also be a really great bridge fuel to get from fossil fuels to a completely renewable fuel sources as well it could help tremendously yeah alright our pick of the day comes from Tony who says how you doing I know you've received a few picks for Star Wars Minute but let me follow it up with The Goodfellas Minute the concept is the same the panel analyzes The Goodfellas Movie in its entirety title, screens, credits and all minute by minute the gentlemen behind the mics are from iFanboy Josh Flanagan, Connor Kilpatrick and Ron Richards you can check it out at goodfellasminute.com and they've had Star Wars Minute host Alex Robinson and Pete on and this week I'm on it so you might want to check it out despite that Goodfellasminute.com you can catch up pretty quickly there are only I think 20 some minutes in at this point and we're at the good part we're at the scene everybody knows from Goodfellas I was lucky enough to get in on it at that point but it's a really fun project and Ron and Connor and Josh are fantastic as well so go check it out Goodfellasminute.com send your picks to us feedback at DailyTechNewShow.com you can find my picks at DailyTechNewShow.com couple emails before we get out of here first of all Andrew on Twitter pointed out that Microsoft also has a second factor method app the Microsoft Account app for Android lets you accept a verification code instead of type it out it's far from the best app name he says but the screenshot shows how the accepting function works so it's similar to what Yahoo is doing with Yahoo Mail Microsoft has a boring name for a product I'm shocked I know right and then finally Mike fast I hope it doesn't snow on Halloween Chicago at least during the playoffs he says he's an academic researcher and they used photon counting x-ray detectors in their medical image lab he wanted to share a couple of thoughts in the photon counting light sensor that was discussed on last Wednesday's show first photon counting sensors don't get rid of all the noise there's only reducing the noise that comes from the sensor electronics there's still noise from the variability of when photons arrive at the sensor these sensors will only be able to eliminate the electronic noise to get rid of the quantum noise you need to bend the laws of physics which they haven't figured out yet second he says don't expect these sensors to perform well in bright conditions to get a good image the sensor elements need to be read out at a rate greater than the rate at which the photons are coming in and if it can't keep up it'll start to count multiple photons as a single event sensor elements that get a lot of light and sensor elements that got a little light are counted as the same amount of light this reduces contrast in your image for example they appear washed out he says we struggled with this problem at my last job and I would expect it to be even more challenging with visible light imaging that said I think this type of device will be great in low light only applications but it probably won't appear in consumer products like DSLRs or cell phones so thank you for sharing your expertise with us Mike definitely something that even when we were talking about on the show they were saying we'll probably be in academic situations to begin with so we'll include the entire email from Mike in the show notes at dailytechnewshow.com and that's it for the show if you want to follow Josh go check out twitter.com slash josh underscore um underscore clark that's josh um clark and of course follow the stuff you should know podcast twitter.com slash sysk podcast stuff you should know com slash podcast if you want to go subscribe there anything to tell folks about what's coming up josh uh we are talking about actually plasma gasification very soon so this is a bit of a teaser for that um and uh let's see uh I can't remember the other one we always have tons of good stuff like a lot of science stuff a lot of pop culture stuff so if this floated your boat at all or even if it didn't there's probably stuff you should know episode that you would love so go check it out yeah absolutely if you've got more questions shoot them to josh and uh you know they'll probably be addressing them in that upcoming episode on this sort of thing yeah and you can also reach us by email at stuffpodcast.howstuffworks.com if you have something longer than 140 characters as far as questions go Veronica Belmont as always engadget.com slash deer dash Veronica you can follow her on twitter twitter.com slash Veronica what's going on with you? 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let's talk right on all right good luck see cheers bye bye bye what are we going to do for titles well i have some thoughts we've got xiaomi the soundbar of course mr plasma one crash is another man's power which i really like um come on down to google fool's crazy enterprise was crazy eddie outside of new york i don't know if he actually was or if we just all knew about it because of saturday night live okay because i was like that is such a new york joke i was like who lived in new york um all right so we have bad stk no biscuit um ban assault drone ban assault drones oh boy maybe not let's not get political daily tech trash show i like my my particular submission this show is trashy nice very nice i wrote all the things i think i wrote trash talking about stuff you should know you can burn ghosts um i do like dragging glass that was a good call on the dragon glass i was trying to think of the most extreme way to describe this that was perfect there's also uh that plasma though that plasma though that plasma though um and the future is trash i kind of like that wheels i can't decide guys smart garbage smart bitch smart bitch i liked beatmaster's plasma so hot right now yeah that is good i laughed at that at the time i saw that pop up i didn't see that one good job beatmaster i like that one i like a world in which in the future people are actually someone's calling me i think it's the uh the vet one sec i like a world where people are actually fighting to pay you the most for your trash right we didn't even get into that side of things that's amazing and just like all of a sudden my trash is more valuable than your trash and like it's just great can you imagine if your trash collection bill was issued by you like you got your trash collection payment every month um and then i was thinking like what would be the movie application it was like people accidentally falling into the plasmificator stuck in dragon glass it's awful well you missed my erudite point which was i forget that it was oh trash scarcity the idea of being paid for your trash but then i went one step further to the hollywood movie version of it i'm making so much money off my trash these days yeah it gives me hope that we can solve this problem if you think about trash being gone i think i'm about to write a movie in the post show if you think about who currently is most manipulating the trash crime syndicates it's often the mafia that has trash services under their wing i think plasmification would have some uses for the illegal mafia like i don't know what you mean there's no such thing as a mafia you're right that's a reference to good fellas well you you would know one man's trash is another man's power that's what i'm going with i'm going to start a reddit thread with my plasmification movie and see what happens plasmification movie by the end of today the hoarders are going to be laughing all the way to the bank they are actually they won't because they still won't want to get rid of their stuff that's true you're sitting on a gold mine grandpa yeah problem solved this solves every problem so many problems solved we start having shortages on plastics and stuff because we've still run out of oil and everyone burned all their trash from power well if we could break everything back down into base elements that they can reconstitute like kind of like the replicators from Star Trek oh yeah if you could start to sift the elements out and then recombine them that's the next step i've always wondered why they don't just replicate a person too complex there's one i don't remember which episode i'm not quite that geeky about it but there is an episode where they discuss that in relation to the transporters particularly yeah you have to it has to be talked about gotta talk about what would happen if you tried to replicate a human being they've done it though they did it with commander raker no they took an actual human being's pattern and split it in two roger is different they didn't create it from nothing the patterns kept in a pattern buffer it's a lot easier to say i can create a pattern from nothing than to do it yeah wow you win your legs tbz gun is worried about the plasmification and its effects on our neighbors darn hipsters that was one thing i wanted to get into and i forgot was like so we can't do this in our house right could they make like little tiny plasmification yeah that'd be kind of cool just a miniature plasma torch underneath your sink it'd be really hot like anywhere near where it's really and of course you'd have to protect it from the kids it's not you matty it's your kids something's gotta be done about your kids i still find it's so weird where you find them in other movies it's like wait a minute i just watched star trek 3 last night yeah he doesn't come off as he just comes off as dog brown in the center of a dead we've got to go back to the future and stop the federation let's slip the dogs of war that's Henry oh yeah that's six okay nevermind sorry i was supposed to have sadic originally as the traitor oh but they were like no oh you can't take a well established character make him a villain go get that unknown actress kim cattrall and shave off most of her hair that would be good yeah kim well kim cattrall is like she has like a vulcan like hardcore bob and then her side where ladies hair would gently come down it's all shaved so it looks like she's wearing a wig and talking about sabo that's where i always think of that sabo tours sabotage sabantha yeah okay so now netflix it plans to offer i was out so i'm reading all the old news oh okay don't tell me netflix another thing they're negotiating for star wars and want to offer news they want to yeah the news thing was them saying very poorly using the word news because they just mean docs i think like more current docs than the ones that they've had in the past more vise like stuff i think vise and vise is like everybody just keeps imitating us i'm gonna hit the road jack okay fine have a good day you too guys i'll see you later catch you on the flip side adios bye so many times one man's trash is another man's power another man's empire yeah i gotta go write up notes about all the freaking netflix things they said last week too many too many that thing about credit card i still think is silly i still think that's i've had a few people try to explain why it might be true and they're definitely valid and fair attempts but i remain unconvinced i think what they did was very clever they said in part our drop in subscriptions is related to the chip and pin thing and i'm sure in part it is but that can't possibly account for the majority of it most people when you got a new chip and pin card got had the same number yeah mine was the same number yeah that sounds like a bunch of hooey actually yeah i think they may have had some involuntary churn in other words people just you know their card number changed or their expiration date went out and then they didn't bother bother to re up and it would probably caught them by surprise how many people that happened to maybe but i don't think it has to do with chips well i mean it didn't happen to us because mostly what it means is people weren't using the service and when their credit card stopped being valid they didn't notice right hmm interesting you know though those chip and pin cards i don't think we've seen the full wave of chip and pin card problem because most of the most of the places where my chip card goes still don't have their things set up and activated oh yeah that's a that's yes the coming way that's a whole different thing yeah but totally true and like people like retail is still surprised half the time when they see it because the deadline was just that the chip cards have to be issued and that anybody who doesn't take them is now taking the liability on themselves right but you're right like tons of places are just like well i guess we'll take the liability on ourselves all right so over under unseeing Luke in this trailer no we're not right yeah he's not in the poster yep he's not in any of the trailers and i don't think that'll change today although it could be wrong i think this is setting us up for a big revelation about luke that they don't that they can't show him like there's that leaked picture of him dressed up like obi-wan right that got out i think that's not representative of who he is in the in the movie so like maybe he turned dark there's some crazy theory out there that he's kylo ren and that that's why um driver is being so circumspect about answering questions um and that driver actually isn't i don't know i don't know but there's something going on with luke that we do not expect yep oh man can be one of those water cooler movies i think people will be talking about it yes please i've gone into full producer mode for just the tickets like i've not produced this much but at least intensely in one day since like 2006 unless you kept the buzz out about reunion which i think you should well even that wasn't as intense as the star wars ticket situation i'm just waiting until the canadian elections are over hmm what is the deal with the canadian elections oh no it's today but like why is that important to your life yeah no answer i'm just curious to see who wins and they'll determine whether or not i watch the movie right away or not which movie the canadian election movie no star wars what wait the canadian election decides whether you watch star wars it right away or not yes why no reason you need to get out the house walk around take the baby for a walk yeah she doesn't like to leash as much as your dogs alright fair enough well that's it for us bye everybody i'll see you on cord killers later today and on DTNS tomorrow


They I'm very pleased to be talking with Dr. Anthony Mariano senior and his son Anthony Mariano junior, I believe I'm sorry Anthony, I don't know what your educational background is so I don't what are I'm a geologist as well educated in geology so So between the two of you, I believe you have more than a century of experience in this that correct Pretty close if you add it up. Yeah. Yes. Yes more than a century of experience Yes, he's been all around the world with me including a few years ago We worked in North Korea and I read I remember when you came back from North Korea You were quite you were quite Adiment that there were significant rare earth mineralogy in North Korea Not not that we saw there was there was the potential but but it needs to be explored so anyway So I'm misremembering that but I'm very happy today to be speaking with you two gentlemen because I don't think anyone knows more about the mineralogy of rare earths on this planet Then Dr. Mariano, so it's I've got some very I think today What do your work is even more important than it's ever been because We have governments in the United States and Europe claiming that well, there's no problem with where it's well It will just don't develop them in in our countries and that's the end of the problem next next problem So I'd like to ask you what's your opinion of the So sourcing of rare earths, especially the magnetic types in North America or in Europe Do you is there enough material accessible to us on these two continents so that we could be independent of China? Yes Okay Very very since it's it's going to be caught it may be costly To produce but it's like the jet fight fighter aircraft or all the ordinances The hard technology that are used today. They're expensive, but when you need them you got them Do you think there's enough work underway to I to locate these deposits and You know, I realized that It's hard to have an opinion on whether they'll be developed, but have we found have we Located everything we need in the Americas in Europe is to be self-sufficient well, it certainly wouldn't hurt to find more than what we have located but we have located a number of areas that could yield heavy lanthanides of For the marketplace and certainly as long as mountain pass exists It takes care of the lights So so you're saying that we we could be self-sufficient in the heavy wearer roots in the West here Between the United States and Canada we could do it again. It's it's going to be a well for one thing The uranium occurrences that are mined in Canada. Yes Those solutions once the Iran and I is put into solution Heavy rare earths go into solution right away. They're amenable to recovery if The company that exploits them wants to go that room. I Think the point is that to really try to focus on your question there. There are on the There are a number of Rare well, there are many many potential rare earth deposits that have been located domestically and and they vary in Lantanae distribution. So there is plenty for the magnetic rare earths As well as the traditional You know more more light rare earth dominant Deposits the the question is Can these things be exploited economically and so that as you know mineralogy for rare earths is is far more complex and far more of a piece of puzzle a piece of the puzzle that needs to be solved to bringing these things to the market Then then you know other types of tradition, you know other types of deposits precious metals and base metals and that type of thing so There are rare earths rare earth deposits domestically, it's just which ones present themselves in in mineralogy, so they coincide with our Processing techniques that are economic or can be developed Through more research to be economic and we can exploit them and provide them to the marketplace, you know, you you've made me think of something Sometime in the last 10 years I spoke at a uranium conference in Texas and They asked me to speak about the rare earth occurrences in the in the ores they were processing and it was obvious there was there were quite a bit of Rare earths in in the uranium in the uranium or associate with the rainy more and I remember I asked The CEO of a uranium mining company. Well, why aren't you processing them? And he said look you said that's not our Expertise that's not our specialty and he said we were we have been approached by many many Rare earth juniors and he said and and he said I'll tell you what I told one of them He said I told one of them if we let you Fool around with our process equipment and you screw up and we have a spill It'll cost us a fortune and he said it Takes 10 years to get a permit to mine uranium in the US and you'll you'll mess that up and you'll say sorry And I'll be fired. He said so I'd rather avoid those those possibilities now. I happen to know uranium processors and miners in North America and In the last several years None of them has said anything to me about recovering those rare earths and in particular the heavy wearer it's being the most desirable right now because people think they know where the light wearers are and But as far as I know There is as far as I know, I don't think there's any heavy wearer production outside of perhaps Myanmar and China Do you do know? Better than I do about that. There is there is an occurrence In South America, yeah in Brazil, right? Patinga has a tremendous amount of Xeno time YPO for that runs very high in the heavy length of nights and I don't know what they're doing there. I the last time I was there it was with Let's Heyman and Constantine carry an Oculus and Tony and I and also Ed Mcnoog Who's with Molly core now and and P materials excuse me and P materials? MP materials That's all pot I don't know why I fell apart, but it's an excellent That's for a tin mining district is it yes It would be by product from tin mining and I don't even know how they're doing with tin. I've been out of that How many years has it been told me five or six years? I went to jail last time I was there. I went to jail They threw me in jail Okay, well we you know again the the heavy wearer supply is a real Game stopper in in my opinion in in in the West and it's not being addressed You know the only places I know where where they're trying to mine Xenotime are in Australia Where they've got a couple of projects, but I I know I've spoken with you about Patinga before and I've spoken to Constantine carry an Oculus about and he said they spent several years trying to do that his company Neo and He didn't say why but he said they just pulled out So I'm not aware of anybody today working on that, but it's interesting to me You're saying there are sufficient rare earths Including the heavies in the Americas to handle the problem the problems we've got do you do you see? Without government any of this stuff going forward it is Is the is the financial community interested in spending money to develop these things? Jack I can't answer that question because I'm not competent once I leave The mineralogy the geology, okay? You know if if they do find something that's worthwhile the cost the cost of starting up There would be years before they could recover their investment just in in setting up in an open place Well, I agree with you and I think that what's missing from all discussions of Developing sources of critical materials is the time involved You know in the more Sophisticated the country the harder it is to get permitted to do mining or refining and so the idea that's that we're going to suddenly Transform our economy into electric cars and wind and solar overnight and with anything that requires significant magnetic rare earths to me is a little foolish and and my experience of my shorter life than yours so far is that American politicians and people like that just don't understand What's what's required to bring to find the rare earth deposit that's accessible and that is Can be built because if you find a deposit the top of the and these that doesn't matter because we you can't do it there so I've Always considered you to be the leading rare earth meteorologist in the world Okay, and and I and I knew you wouldn't answer my question about finance anyway So, yeah, well that's true, but I Well remember just to wind this up with a with an old man story. I'm the old man I remember when you and I were talking about Dave Truman who passed on recently and Dave must have been in his 70s when he went and you and I were talking about him in Alaska and I was talking Dave had been Talking to me about he worked for 10 cold, you know, and and you said, oh, yeah, I know him He said the boys got promise. Well, the boy was then in the 60s He said he's a little more seasoning. He'll probably be a pretty good dialysis. So I that's I mean, I'm in the same boat you are. I'm a little younger than you are but I I find that the Younger people Do not have the breath of experience to know how difficult it is to take Minerals in the ground to something you can drive and And and and so this to me is is the big the biggest problem today I'm very pleased to have you say that we have sufficient material It is it is really and always has been an economics problem Anyway, I want to thank you for taking the time to talk to me and we I Was speaking recently with a geologist in in Australia Who remembered you in the early 80s at Mount Welch? And and and he said is Tony still around I said, yes Okay, because because people don't realize how how How much you were involved in the development of Mount Welch? I identified I was the first one to Identified super gene rare earth mineralization at Mount Welch and that's what started the rare earth program That was in 1980 February 1980 Well, you you're and you claim you don't you don't know if you're the senior rare earth geologist on the planet I think you are I Think so, I think so Anyway, I want I want to thank you and we'll be coming back to you guys for our check as this developed because There's a rare earth boom lip on again as you know, it's it's happened several times before but yeah Who knows maybe it'll catch. Thank you. Thank you very much for the time. All right. Thank you Yeah, you look like you're in great shape. Take care