Good afternoon everyone and welcome. My name is Melissa Armell and I own a company called the Stock Swoosh LLC. I am doing a webinar this week, Wednesday, July 16th on earning big profits trading the first half hour of the day. This is going to be a very interesting topic for those of you that have been wanting to learn about trading the open, come to this webinar. I own a company called the Stock Swoosh and you can go to my website. It's www.thesdocswoosh.com if you'd like more information or feel free to email me at Melissa at thestockswoosh.com if you would like more information. And like me on Twitter, Facebook, YouTube, LinkedIn, Pinterest or Skype under the Stock Swoosh. So this webinar is going to be on Wednesday at 4.30 Eastern Time after the market is over and closed for the day. You can go to this site right here. It is a free site that you can register at and go there and come to the live webinar. It's going to be at 4.30 Eastern Time on Wednesday July 16th. Registration is required ahead of time. However, it is free. So join me for this exciting live lecture and how to earn big profits trading the first half hour of the day. And it's quickly too. That's the exciting thing about trading this strategy. Trading on the open is the most rewarding time of the day to make serious money because stocks have big moves in this time of the day. And in this educational session, you're going to see trades that worked right a ways for a move quickly, quickly, quickly. Big profits are driven by pure power moves. And what happens is institutions are making these power moves into the open of the stock on the day in the market. I'm trading equities, I'm trading stocks. And learning how to trade the open will give you a huge edge in your trading because not that many people really know how to trade the open or read that price action in the open. And that's when a majority of the moods of stocks are made. The advantage of learning how to trade the first half hour of the day is that when all the momentum is happening, or at least 80% of it, and so you would be getting a good entry in it before the momentum happens. Because momentum is really how you're getting paid as a trader. Okay, that's how you're having the profit. If you see something that has the momentum move after the fact, obviously it's too late for you to take it. Or if you take the trade, you're not going to have the same profit or risk to reward. So if you're one of these people that's been attempting to trade the market, working on something, trying to find a strategy that you like or that pays you, this lecture is good for you. And you can learn more about my strategy. Are you looking to trade with a huge return on your investment to get paid fast? And I'll talk about what I mean by that in the webinar. One strategy is all you need to profit in the market. If you want to learn a way to make good money consistently, with only a small daily time commitment, then come to this informative class because it's going to be very interesting. The fact is that one strategy is all you need to make money in the market. You do not have to do tons of different strategies. You don't have to do thing after thing after thing. I personally trade gaps. Gaps are a powerful strategy that offers the opportunity to make money on a consistent basis once you learn how. Traders can book profits with substantial gains in a timely fashion early in the morning and gap trades. And gaps set up every day in the market. That's the beautiful thing about the strategy. Gaps are there Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday. Now, are there good gaps or great gaps every day? No, but there's definitely gaps every day for you to find and you have to look for them and you have to find a way to pick or find the good ones. And what I mean by the good ones, I mean ones that have a high odds of working as a day trade. Or even as a swing or core trade if you want to follow and through. So the strategy I trade is called the golden gap. And it is a strategy that is consistently profitable in the way that I find the stocks and take the setups. Here's an example of a golden gap that happened last week. This was LL, nice move here in the gap. You can see it. Stock closed the night before at around $70. Open the next day here around $55 something and change. This is a good bearish gap. So you were looking to short this gap here on this day. This was on the 10th of July. I use my system, which is a raining system. It goes over 26 points and I go through that. Check, check, check to find something like, for example, LL. The 26 point checklist, it tells you what to look for in the stock on the day before the open happens. That way when the open happens, you can find a trade that is going to offer a good risk to reward. Many people trade and they take like scalp trades, or they're risking one to one. They're risking one and making one. They're risking one and making a half. In order to make money, I think you have to find a way to consistently make more than one to one. Two to one, three to one, four to one, five to one. Find trades that are going to have the big moves. Some days trades go to dream targets. Some days trades go to normal targets. But you're looking for quality risk to reward so that you know if you take this amount of risk dollar for dollar, you're going to make this amount on average. And then you have the higher days as well, where you would make more. So what do you need to trade? To trade successfully, one of the things you need is an edge. Like this guy here, he stands out. He stands out from the crowd. I definitely stand out from the crowd in the way that I trade, the matter that I trade, the class that I teach, and the calls that I make. And if you can learn to have an edge in your trading, you're going to make money. And you've got to learn something that works and something that's good. And a strategy and method that I trade and teach works. And there's a small time commitment every day that you have to give to gap trading. Another bonus, besides the fact that it consistently works and you get gaps almost every day, there's a small time commitment each day. You don't have to sit for eight hours trading. You get up in the morning, you rate your gaps, you look for the things to do when you trade into the open. So how can you achieve the success?  How can you achieve the success? You've got to learn a strategy that pays you into the open in the morning, quickly in the time of the day. And it's the time of the day where institutions are taking positions in and out. And that's why it's so good. If you are not making money trading, if you've been trading for a while, for six months a year, two years, six years, 10 years, and you're not making money trading, it's time to change. Look at yourself in the mirror and ask yourself, how long do you keep wanting to do this thing if you're not making money doing it? You have to ask yourself how serious you are about this. I take my trading very seriously, okay? And I take teaching people seriously too because I want them to make it. You've got to change what you're doing if you're not making money trading. And now might be the time. I always say the people that find me are destined to find me and learn how to trade from me because the calls that I'm making and the information that I teach is such a high quality. If you want to make money fast, okay? In the morning you don't have a lot of time, you have another business, another job, whatever. If you really don't want to be in trades for a long time because you feel like it's too much risk, if you want to make money fast, then come to this webinar. And if you want to make money trading consistently come to this webinar, because I'm going to talk about that in GAPs as well. So the class that I teach is called the Golden GAP course. It is a complete system to use to trade. It's called the Golden GAP course and it's a full two-day course on how to strategically find, pick, and place stocks that are professional bearish gaps. Retakes are free, the class is online. You can be anywhere in the world, anywhere in the planet and take the class. All you need is a computer. The next class date is July 26th and 27th from 9 a.m. to 5 p.m. Eastern time. It is a professional bearish gap system. Cost of the class is 29.99 US dollars. Email me at Melissa at thestockswitch.com if you want to sign up. I already have people signed up for this next class. So it is earnings season. It is a good time to learn how to trade GAPs. If you are interested and want to do this class on Saturday and Sunday, I take a limited amount of people because I am teaching the class myself and I trade myself too. And I want to make sure that I have time for everyone to ask questions in each class that I take. So if you're interested, I would suggest you to pre-register already a people signed up. Remember, your path to success has to come from somewhere. What's it gonna be? Going down a 550, 65 different roads and different strategies is not gonna lead you on the right path to success. Your path to success is a golden gap course because it leads you on the road that's gonna focus you on one strategy, in one timeframe, even in one directional move. And that's golden gaps and it's bearish gaps too. So come to the free lecture. I'll see you there. It's Wednesday, July 16th, 4.30 Eastern time. Just go to this link right here. It's a free lecture. See everyone there. Thank you so much and have a fantastic day.


Item number SCP-028 Object Class Safe Special Containment Procedures No special means are needed to contain this time, as SCP-028 has not shown any change in size, position, or shape during the entire period of its containment, but access must be restricted. Currently, SCP-028 is contained on site, site ██, as SCP-028 is not transportable by any known means. SCP-028 is sealed in a 6 x 6 x 3 meter, or 20 x 20 x 10 foot, concrete room with a single door, with two armed personnel stationed outside. Only authorized personnel are to be allowed exposure to SCP-028, and extreme care must be taken at all times. While SCP-028 is itself harmless, the effect can be buried damaging to the unprepared. See Document EL-028-1125 Description SCP-028 is located in an abandoned storage yard outside a copper mine in northern Michigan. SCP-028 is no detectable physical presence of any kind, but its effect occurs in a 2.1 meter, or 7 foot cube, around what is commonly held as the center of SCP-028. All forms of scanning and testing in the area of SCP-028 have shown no abnormal readings. Adding or removing objects, or attempting to remove dirt from under SCP-028, has no effect in altering the size or shape of SCP-028's area of effect, nor the onset or quality of the effect. Subjects entering SCP-028 are, within 3 to 6 seconds, struck by total and complete knowledge of a subject. This knowledge is thus far completely random in both size and usefulness, and sometimes goes unnoticed for extended periods of time. Their profound knowledge generally has a stronger effect, with some cases expunged. See Document EL-028-1125 This effect can be experienced multiple times by exiting and re-entering SCP-028, but can result in increasingly strong migraines and dizziness after two exposures. SCP-028 came to the Foundation's attention after researching the news reports of a local minor who submitted a design for a cold fusion reactor to the U.S. Patent Office. Mr. ██████████ reported that it, quote, just came to me like a bolt out of the blue, unquote. News and subjects were suppressed and contained after discovery of SCP-028, and the reactor designs implemented into the containment of SCP-1995. Subsequent testing of SCP-028 has yielded mixed results. Document No. EL-028-1114 Partial Information Retrieval Log for January 5th ██████████ Note, all knowledge is perfect, total and idetic. Every phone book entry for New York City in 1998. How to redesign the internal combustion engine to run on human blood using only pre-existing parts. Note, full redesign takes four hours and runs at higher efficiency than gasoline. Location of keys for a Buick Le Sabre. The proper method of care for a mole rat colony. Origin and history of 12 SCP objects. Not the main ████████ family history of the Blackthorn family, located in London, England. Geological structure of the earth beneath Greenland, including several unknown caves and ████████. Document No. EL-028-1125 Log E-112 Subject D-1182 exposed to SCP-028. Agent began to cry and went into fetal position, showing signs of high distress. Unresponsive of the questioning and outside stimulus for several days. Lapsed in the catatonia shortly after stating that, quote, this is not life, unquote. Cause of death was attributed to shock. E-127 Agent ██████ accidentally exposed to SCP-028. Agent showed signs of sudden surprise and bemusement. When questioned, Agent requested, quote, a moment to gather my thoughts, please, unquote. After several seconds, Agent laughed, shook his head, and removed his service pistol from his holster. Agent then shot and wounded Dr. ██████ and killed Agent ██████ and ██████ before being restrained. This incident interrogation revealed Agent ████████ had extensive knowledge of classified Foundation activities, and several SCP objects he had not been previously exposed to, including SCP-2669. Any Foundation personnel bound to have entered SCP-028's area of effect are to be detained indefinitely. Document No. EL-028-1128 Log Document 189 Subject D-9843 was exposed to SCP-028. March 19, 1146 Examination of subject revealed abnormal respiratory actions. March 19, 1337 Questioning revealed subject had learned to recycle the carbon dioxide in his body. March 19, 1721 Repeated attempts to teach skill to other D-class personnel failed. March 24, 1211 Subject terminated July 18, 1503 Autopsy reveals no abnormal organ formations. July 18, 1837 Researchers note Dr. ██████ Seriously, how the hell did he do that?


Related to what is this? Well, this is the VCNL 4020, which is a proximity and light sensor. And this is one of the sensors that I had chat GPT driver for me with my assistance. And, you know, I had to write all the functions, I checked them, I verified all the, you know, pound defines and the code that was written. And then this is the Arduino sketch I asked it to write to plot proximity data. So if you back up a little bit, you could see as I move my hand up and down. Here we go, move my hand up here. You can see in my hand. Yeah, when we do any type of driver, we check it anyways. Yeah.  Well, we look, we review everything anyways. Yeah, so this is the library. And I post the link to the chat where I do the coding together. The only ones that are gonna probably end up doing that. But this works. Whatever we do with AI, we're gonna post the complete logs. All right, so this is done and it's gonna be needed for a chop soon. Yes, make a robot friend.


Good morning everybody I'm Tommy O'Brien comedy live from T F N N headquarters in St. Petersburg Florida at 9 a.m. Eastern time Tuesday morning kicking things off with bank earnings we have JP Morgan beating city beating Wells Fargo trading lower delta out as well and right now futures right around flat SMP is basically flat thirty two eighty nine NASDAQ futures NASDAQ 100 flat as well at nine thousand eighty eight Dow futures up twenty four points at twenty eight thousand eight ninety five and we're going to get right into the charts Dow thirty twenty eight thousand eight ninety nine I say we're flat and we are but we were lower overnight to a low of about twenty eight thousand seven thirty nine SMP five hundred flat as well lows overnight about thirteen points below we're at right now thirty two seventy five SMP five hundred we already covered crude oil market little bit of volatility we were lower to a low of fifty seven seventy five and about just prior to four a.m. we're up to fifty eight fifty two right now there's your gold contract fifteen forty four at actually dipped to a low of about fifteen thirty six overnight and the Euro US dollar trading a bit lower little bit of Euro weakness dollar strength Euro trading one eleven twelve jump through those charts quickly so we have a moment to go through some of these earnings JP Morgan quite a beat on their bond trading revenue JP Morgan's bond trading revenue surges eighty six percent to three point four billion exceeding the two point six billion that they estimate by roughly eight hundred million lots going on in their earnings but their beat their trading hire will jump over to their chart in a moment city group earnings beat expectations on fixed income trading surge as well Wells Fargo on the flip side of that profits dropping fifty percent as legal fees low interest rates way on results we also have US consumer prices increasing moderately in December the consumer price index index increased point two percent last month after climbing point three percent in November and Delta Airlines their fourth quarter profit beats estimates thanks to cheaper fuel and strong travel demand so there's your headlines will jump through the charts real quickly JP Morgan close at one thirty seven twenty was almost up to one forty now trading one thirty eight fifty two you have city closing at about eighty sixty five traded higher but just marginally higher now at eighty ninety five Wells Fargo on the flip side fifty two eleven closed at trading at fifty twenty eight Delta Airlines trading higher on their earnings and how about Tesla you got to mention it it is just charging higher overnight closed at five twenty four look into open at five forty two the Tesla train to higher prices does not stop stay tuned folks Larry Pezzavento coming up at nine I'll be back at ten o'clock with Tom by programming all day at TNM will be right back


Mae'r sgolwch yn gwybod ym mhwyaf, yn cymryd, yn cymryd yn cyfysgolio'r meddwl. Mae'r sgolwch yn y cyfyrdd yma yn y 18th Cymru, mae'n amlwg i'n gwneud am rhaid o'r cael cyfysgolio'r cyllid, o'r rhaid o'r lleol yn y 18th Cymru, a'r cyfysgolio'r lyfrion. Mae'n cefnod o'r 17th Cymru, maen nhw'n mynd i'r ysgolwysiaeth, ond o'r societyd yng Nghymru, a'r ystod o'r cyfnodau i'r ysgolwysiaeth, yn 1752, o'r ysgolwysiaeth, ysgolwysiaeth, Mr Adam Martin, sefydledd o'r 200 cyfnodau cyfnodau ar y Llywodraeth Arun. Y cyfnodau, wrth gwrs, mae'r cyfnodau cyfnodau o'r 10,000 cyfnodau cyfnodau a'r cyfnodau, rhan o'r ysgolwysiaeth, drwy'r cyfnodau a'r cyfnodau ysgolwysiaeth, a'r cyfnodau swyddogau. Rhyf o'r cyfnodau, yn 1868, mae'n cyhoedd o'r cyfnodau ac atigraffau. Felly, ac mae'n dwi'n dweud o'r cyfnodau o'r cyfnodau ar y Llywodraeth. Rhyf o'r cyfnodau o'r cyfnodau o'r cyfnodau o'r cyfnodau, cyfnodau o'r cyfnodau a'r cyfnodau, ac yn ymddun i odd o ddwg hanes ar y ddechrau yma. A o'r rhaid, mae'r cyfrifwyr o'r ddysgwyl y gallwch yn cyfrifwyr i ddaethu'n cyfrifwyr, â'r gwestiadau ac amser o'r cyfrifwyr o'r cyfrifwyr a'r ddiddorol? Yn ymdun o'r cyfrifwyr o'r cyfrifwyr o'r cyfrifwyr Richard Rawl yn y ddweud ychydigol a ffaisio ar y cyfrifwyr a'r ddweud i ddweud i ddweud eu ddweud, ac yn y ddweud felly bydd yn ei wneud, yw'r rhaid, er mwyn yw'r gweld yn y cyfnodau eu hunain mewn gwirio iawn, gyda'u llwyr a chliwydau llwyr ymlaen. Rol yn ysgol yn ysgol cymhiliadau, rydyn ni'n nid i'w gweithio'r llwyr, a'r llwyr yn ymlaen. Yn ystod bydd yn oed y sgol'r cilograffi, Iím not sure that the story has been told out there, it was by the end of the 19th century a largely dry and largely descriptive activity. It yielded those large catalogs often lavishly illustrated, but it made little impact beyond the small community of enthusiasts. Then in the early 20th century HI, Thomas Tav Taiwanese, professor of history of amperter and then of Manchester realised that seals offered insights into ac ymddiolion a'r hyn dechrau ac yn ysgol iawn, ymddian nhw'n sgol a'r ydych chi'n fathau, ac mae'n gweithio i'r hyn yn dweud y cyffredinol bod yn y gywir yn ymgyrchol. Mae'r cyffredinol yn ymddiolion a'r cyllidau wedi'i yn ymgyrchol a'r hynny yn ysgol i'r oeddaf amdodd ac arddangos iddo'r ysgol. Ond yma, gyd-drygu'r ysgol yn ystod o'r griffau mewn meddwl oedd y brifoedd ac yn ymweld yn ddifenni'r ddodd ar 18th ysgolau. Rwy'n dŵr y llynu'r gyfoedd yn cael cyffredigol, mae'n gweld yn gyrddol yn gweithio'r ffordd fyddion ffans. Rwy'n rhaid o'r ffordd o'r ddodd, o'r ffordd och unconno yw oed yn ardal i'r ffordd iawn – o'r hwn ay chawwch yn anodd. Mae rhywbeth gyda'l yn mynd i chi i syl 그런iadau o'r cyflawn yn gofynol. Mae'r hystoriadau, rwy'n rhoi'n gweithio o'r ddysgu lleoedd yn y cyflawnedio eu adydigol y plwydol, blyned yn y llwygau, ychydigol, oed y Llywodraeth, oed yn y Llywodraeth, oedd yn y Llyfodraeth ynghylch yw unigol, ac oes yn enwys oed yn unrhyw oed yn ddygynnu. Rhaid adegwyddynt o'i gwirionedd mae'n gweithiau iawn wedi hawddau ar 안�odol o'r gwirioneddau, ac mae'r gweithio'n ce stamping ar gyfer yr adegwyddoedd. Sengyn i'r adegwyddoedd y cymdein iddyn nhw'n meddynu wedi gwirioneddau ar gweithio'r adegwyddoedd. Dyna, lefnod bunta'r llwyddiadau tyfngellion lleol yn ysgolu'r stugol. Trwy y penderfyniad yng Nghrifysgwrdd, oherwydd mae'n ddain'n clywed. Mae'r llwyddiad ddiwedd, fe y penderfyniad, os yddod yn gweithio'r adeg cael y syniadaufa ychydig i colleg. Mae'r llwyddiadau yn cael ei ddifeniadu mawr, yn gweithgoriadau, cael ei bethau, ddaith, haf, hyffordd, gyda'r gyda'r cyd-dyniad, i'r ffordd o'r polisiad cyllidol, cael bod yw hyffordd ac ar gyfer o bair. Yn y 18th yma, mae'n ddych chi'n ddigon dwi'n gwybod a'r llwythoedd yma, ond mae'n ddych chi'n ddillod i'r post. Ond mae'n ddillod gyda'r cyd-dyniad o'r cyd-dyniad wedi cael ei ddysgu'r ddechrau ar gyfer y ddysgu'r cyd-dyniad a'r ddysgu'r cyd-dyniad. Mae'r ystod yn Llywodraeth Llywodraeth yn ymddangos i'r Llywodraeth Cymru, oherwydd mae'r Llywodraeth Cymru yn gweithio'r ystod yma ymddangos i gwyfyn. Mae'r ystod yn ei ffordd amdano i'r Llywodraeth Cymru, ond mae'r Llywodraeth Cymru yn gweithio'r ystod yma, mae'r ystod yn Edrydodd Edward Wills, yn ymddangos i'r bynnag yma yn Rhywunodraeth Cymru. Mae'r ystod yn ei ddweudio'r llwyntau lleidol yn siaradau. garbage made in lead used especially for sealing veils of wool and hemp but also of course there were bottle maker seals which also survived into the 18th century. These were seals which indicated volume, authenticity and acted as a commercial guarantee of quality. In the case of cloth ymlaen o'r ysgol, yn ymholudd o'r maen nhw er mwyn o'r maen nhw o bwysig i'w chael gwybod bydd yn yma. Rwy'n gŵr ffwrdd yr ysgol yn yma, ein gŵr yw'r awr o'r maen nhw, ac elwodd ar y cwrdd ffordd ymlaen nhw o bwysig i'w ddwy ffordd. Mae'r hefyd yn f SNF yn gymryd ymholwyddol er mwyn nhw frail. Mae'r llysigau Llywodraeth, ein Llywodraeth hyn yn ymgyrch yn tŷ, i'r llyfodol yng Nghymru, a ysgrifennu a'n adael bwysigau hasiol, y Llywodraeth, yn llywodraeth, y Llywodraeth. Mae cynnig ymarfer y gallu defnyddio, ariad, genedlaeth, frwać, esblygu, rysgyllfaeth, a'r llywodraeth cyfan. Mae'r llysigau Llywodraeth wediensa'r cyfan a'r llysigau Llywodraeth, ein Llywodraeth. ac, ymlaen cyflaenio i fod y botel a'r cwntes. Byw daeth ddigon ar goesyw y cws, when inns and breweries begun to add their seals to bottles, the bottom dropped out of this Conaseur high-end use of wine seals and they were less likely to be displayed in elite households. Bottle seals have been especially carefully examined by both the Museum of London and the B&A ofygoedd yma'r gwirnod y mynd i'w awtidio'r llifeddau geident yr unig. Mae'r Gweinwch yn cael eu gwirfod hyn yn ôl o'r wych i'w weld yn gynaysol cyd-rytau ar y Deyrnas Slywyr yn ddano i fy ystyried â gwirfod hynny. Mae'r gweinwch gennyrch yma'r gwaith yn gweithio cael eu drwng, gallwn byrwch i fynd i'r gwirfod wedi'i gwasanaethu'r cyd-rytau ar gyfer yn ddagoedd ..aeth o'r cyfnodio gyda'r cyfnodio ymgyrch... ..mwy fathau o'r cyfnodio, ac mae'n teimlo'r cyfnodio... ..y'r cyfnodio yma yn ddweud. Y 18rhaith, y ffob seilwyr hefyd yn ymwysydd.. ..a'r ffosiwn i gyd ymddangos. Ymddangos 3 ffob seilwyr, ac mae'n cael eu bod yn y gweithio... ..ynaeth ymddangos ymddangos eithaf... ..yna'i rhyblom, o'r cyfnodio... ac stradau'r gynhyrch iawn ei ddechrau'r popeth. Felly, byddai'n dweud pobllewis cyfrun, oherwydd defnyddio wedi chi'n teimlo. Felly, byddai'n meddwl o'r mwybeithio yn llawer o'r tanfodol rydych yn olygu'r cerddel iawniool astudio. Mae'n defnyddio amnyddio'r ffordd iawn, gan ychydig bawb, ac y pethau amser yn y dyn charly. Mae'r cyfnod o'r cyfnod yng Nghar也可以ll ar gyfer cyfnod y Llywodraeth yn ymddangos pethau yn gorfod ar y rygwyr. Mae'r 18th sydd wedi bod yn rhan o'r gweithio gyda'r ffob o'r seil yn ysgrifffredig. Yn ym 18th, mae'r sgwr i'r ffordd ymlaen o'r seil wedi'u cyfnod yma yn ysgrifffredig, gyda'r sufyniaeth i'r cyhoedd i'r gwleidio i'r amlwg a'r amlwg yn ddod yn gyfnodol yn ymdweithio'r gyda'r cyhoedd Cymru. Mae cyhoedd y cyhoedd yn cyhoedd yn cyhoedd yma, fel ymdweithio'r cyhoedd ymdweithio'n cyhoedd ymdweithio'n cyhoedd i'r cyhoedd. Felly, mae'r cyhoedd yma yn cyhoedd yma yn cyhoedd, John Wesley yn cyhoedd yma, they were cut with the words believe, love and obey. Others use their initials as we'll see and images with a personal meaning. In such cases, the seal played the part of authenticating who the letter came from. You would recognise who the letter came from from the seal on the outside. So there's been a lot of message before you even opened the letter that it was from somebody you knew. Ieithiol yn ystod, ac mae'r ysgweithiau a'r hyn markets nad yw'r cydnod i'w gwaith yn cofnod ar gyfer ryw ffordd. Y rhywbeth ar gyfer rywbeth angen am y cydnod yn mae'r Rhys-Bwrdd, Rhyw ddweydy, Polwytoedd ac Triswn. O daliad i gyd ar rywbeth yw'r cydnod, rydyn ni'n bwysig i'w man. Dwi'n gweithio'r wenign maths o'r Rhys-Bwrdd roeddennig yn 1710, the best known man in London. Indeed, if you stood out on Piccadilly 310 years ago Henry Seshavrel's name would be on everybody's lips. He was a sensation, probably the first true celebrity of the modern age, and also one of the most hated men of his day. Seshavrel came from Puritan Stock. Indeed, one of his ancestors had signed and sealed the death warrant of Charles the first that we saw a minute ago. Another had been a Presbyterian who died in jail, though refusing to conform to the Church of England at the restoration. But Henry Seshavrel was made of very different stuff. He was a Tory high churchman with all the zeal of a convert. He had been at Oxford in the period where all tutors were required to denounce Republican doctrines to their students. Tutors were expected to tell students that people had no right of self-defense against tyrants and were required by God to obey their king. Having been ordained, Seshavrel became a fellow of boarding college Oxford. He gained the reputation of a fierce controversial preacher. When in 1702 he preached against religious toleration for dissenters, he advised his fellow clergy to quote, hang out the bloody flag and banner of defiance. Seshavrel was one of those Tory high churchmen who had serious doubts about the legitimacy of the Revolution of 1688. He didn't believe that people had the right to overthrow their monarch, even if he was a tyrant like James II. Seshavrel also thought that the Toleration Act, which allowed dissenters the freedom to worship as they wished, was harmful. He believed that church was in danger from the wits who supported religious toleration and in some cases would have extended it further. Seshavrel's doubts about the glorious revolution meant that he was close to the Jacobite treason that James II had remained king in 1689 and that his son James Edward was the rightful king too. Of course, Seshavrel couldn't say this. Indeed, he accurately proclaimed his loyalty to Queen Anne. But if he questioned the legitimacy of the revolution, surely people deduced he was at least a Jacobite fellow traveller, even if he wouldn't admit it. Now all of this went down very well in Tory Jacobite Oxford, where Seshavrel was a fellow of boarding college. But when he preached elsewhere, it was a different matter. In August 1709 he preached in Derby at the Asaises and was met with riots and public disturbances from opponents and supporters. In the same year he was appointed chaplain at the Salius suburb, which brought into prominence in London. Within a few weeks it was said of Seshavrel, quote, none so much talked about as he is all over town. One of the aspects of Seshavrel that unsettled people was his furious style.  He seemed to shout his sermons at his congregations. He was an angry man and a manic creature. He divided the country into those who admired and those who loathed him. On the 5th of November 1709, so 310 years in two days, if we ignore the camera shift in the middle of the 18th century, so on the 5th of November 1709 the double anniversary of course of the Dunpowder Pot and of the Landing of William of Orange in 1688, Henry Seshavrel preached an explosive sermon in support in front of the Lord Mayor, Sir Samuel Garrard and the Alderman of London. And here are two images, one on the left, a much later recreation I think of Seshavrel in full flood and on the right a ceramic representation of Seshavrel preaching. Before the sermon, during the prayers and hymns, a witness saw Seshavrel sitting with the clergy working himself up into an angry mood. It was said, quote, the firing red over spread his face. His gogling wildness came into his eyes. He came into the pulpit like a civil to the mouth of her cave. His sermon was a furious attack on the glorious revolution. Seshavrel accused low churchmen of being false brethren since they sympathised with dissenters and supported the toleration act that had been passed in the wake of the revolution. The sermon also suggested that the nation had violated the principle of passive obedience to a king in supporting William of Orange and implied that the glorious revolution was an error. For some, the sermon even seemed to question the right of Queen Anne to the throne. It certainly challenged the prospect of a Hanoverian succession. Sir Seshavrel also made fairly open attacks on the leading weak ministers. The printed version of the sermon was an instant bestseller. Within a few weeks, 100,000 copies of the sermon had been printed, and one estimate is that it was read by 250,000 people, approximately the entire electorate of the country. I can't emphasise to you enough how astonishing those figures are. 100,000 printed copies and 250,000 readers. Easily the most widely read item other than the Bible and the Book of Common Prayer of its day. When he preached elsewhere, the churches were full, and the congregations often spilled out into the graveyard. The weak government was appalled, not least because Seshavrel had referred in the sermon to Lord Gabolf in the Lord Treasurer as Bob Pony, the greedy and corrupt fox of Ben Johnson's play. At first, the government tried to ignore Seshavrel hoping that the unrest would go away, but every sermon he gave was an occasion for disturbance and huge crowds. In the end, the government decided that Seshavrel had to be impeached, which he was in February 1710. Here are the proceedings of the trial of Seshavrel. Impeachment, which is what Seshavrel was subject to, was a much easier route for prosecution than a trial, because, of course, impeachment simply relied on a political vote rather than a jury verdict. The trial was held in the House of Lords over three weeks and was a sensation. London was daily transfixed by the latest events in the House of Lords, and everyone seemed to either support or oppose Seshavrel. Among the most remarkable group of individuals who supported Seshavrel were the London prostitutes, who reportedly supported him en masse. It was said that London prostitutes, I guess in Wikipedia as elsewhere, importeum der clients with the words IU for the doctor, sir. Here's an image of Seshavrel as the modern idol attracting support of the London prostitutes. On three evenings after the verdict, there were riots in London. In the end, the army had to be called in to suppress them. Here are two representations of the Seshavrel riots. On the left in particular, the representation of the pulling down of a dissenting meeting house, the Seshavrel rioters seemed to have been pretty smart in spotting the places that they were going to go after, and among those they picked on were the Whig, Peers and Bishops in the House of Lords and dissenters' meeting houses. Although technically Seshavrel was found guilty of the charge of sedition, his sentence was so light that most people regarded it as an acquittal. His punishment was simply three-year suspension from preaching and the public burning of his sermon by the common hangman. In the wake of the trial, Seshavrel conducted a triumphal tour of the country which is thought to have swung the general election of 1710 to the Tories who won by a landslide. It must be the only occasion on which a sermon has determined the outcome of a general election. I make no cause for a contemporary moment. Seshavrel's sermon and trial represented the fault line that ran through the Tories in the three decades after the glorious revolution. Queen Anne, of course, was a steward and the daughter of James II and therefore could claim to be a hereditary succeeded to the throne. Her title to the throne was unchallenged by most, not least because she was a Tory. But the prospect of the succession of Sophia of Hanover when Anne died seemed to Tory of Jacobites as a perversion of the idea of hereditary. Moreover, the Hanoverians were Lutherans, exactly the sort of dissenters that Seshavrel resented. So Tories with a tinge of Jacobitism like Seshavrel were ambivalent, keen to question the legitimacy of 1688, keen to deter the Hanoverian succession, but unwilling to deny Queen Anne's right to the throne. This sort of equivocation is at the heart of what I want to talk about. Now, the trial of Seshavrel was too tempting an opportunity for the makers and sellers of souvenirs and mementos to ignore. Seshavrel was celebrated and remembered in a way that probably only monarchs had previously been. Seshavrel's portraits were plentiful, with dozens of different versions produced in 1710 and subsequent years. Here are three of them on the left-hand side, a popular image of the mob's idol, quite why Seshavrel has his tongue hanging out if I'm not quite sure. In the middle a ceramic portrait and on the right a rather more elaborate portrait of Seshavrel holding a picture of Charles I, representing this hereditary sense of monarchy. These are just three of the 80 or so images of Seshavrel that were produced in 1710. Moreover, the memory of Seshavrel among portraitists had a very long life. The last portrait of Seshavrel was produced in 1784. Most extraordinarily, the portraits found their way into Hogarth's harlot's progress. As I've mentioned, Seshavrel had a huge following among London prostitutes and here is Maul Hacabach in the third image of the sequence in her boudoir and on the left-hand side you can see two portraits hanging in her boudoir. On the right is Dr Seshavrel. So 20 years after the trial Hogarth still points out that Seshavrel was the prostitute's idol. Seshavrel was a common Christian name for children baptised between 1710 and 1720. There was also a huge outcoring of tracts and broadsides in his support and against him. There were, of course, these were largely popular items, there were, of course, elite items as well. Sorry, this is a Seshavrel fan, so images of Seshavrel were printed on fans, but these are two elite items on the left-hand side an ivory portrait of Seshavrel, only discovered in 2002. On the right, I'm sorry, it's such a poor image, a portrait of Seshavrel in silver on a wooden background. Rather like a portrait that was given silver on wood to Seshavrel's defence council, that is trial, Sir Simon Hartwood, these were clearly very expensive elite objects produced individually for particular supporters. Now among the entrepreneurs quick to capitalise on the main ear for Sir Seshavreliyana were medal makers. These were foremost in the souvenir market and also supplied emismatists with coins and medallions. Medal makers also saw that the market for such items was divided between Seshavrel's admirers and his opponents. The buyers of Seshavrel medals were able to express these two opinions. One of the medals struck in 1710 could be bought in two forms. This is the loyal medal. Seshavrel's portrait on the one side and on the other side a miter and the words is loyal is firm to thee. Clearly the meaning is that Seshavrel was a firm supporter of the Church of England. But Seshavrel's opponents could also buy a medal with the same head but with a difference inscription on the reverse is loyal to thee with a portrait of the pope. The implication being that Seshavrel's loyalties lay with the Catholic Church and the Jacobite Stuart succession. In fact if you notice the portrait of Seshavrel in both is identical so this is one medal maker who's producing medals for the different ends of the market. These products sum up the ambiguity of Seshavrel's own position as well as the divided nature of the market. They summed up how starkly society was divided towards Seshavrel and the issue of whether to commit itself to the Hanoverian succession or to the restoration of the house of Stuart. So tracts, prints, medals were all means for people to express support or opposition to Seshavrel. Now another object enabled divergent opinions to be expressed about in two, intaglio fob seals. And as I've mentioned these seals were sometimes made with three faces. These are two examples of three face seals. I hope you can see that the seals you can turn and a different face emerges. So you would have a seal with three faces that you could use for business or personal use or you could simply have three images on it which according to taste you used to seal your letters. Perhaps also these were objects that in a coffee house or a club you would show to your friends and colleagues and fellow travellers to impress them with your taste and political opinions. Now two such Seshavrel seals are known. The brackets on which they rest are similar, they're not identical, but the size of the seals is identical at 41 millimetres high. And the incised head of Seshavrel is identical although the form of lettering on it is different. Which suggests that like the medallions these Seshavrel seals were made by the same maker but were customised with different purchases or owners. In both cases the reference to Seshavrel that's holding a DD indicates that they were produced after he was awarded the Doctor of Divinity in 1708 and almost certainly they were both produced between 1710 and 1714 when Seshavrel mania was at its height. Now for the reasons which will become apparent I'm going to refer to the first seal as the loyal seal. This is a seal in the British Museum and I should refer to the second seal which will come to you as the disloyal seal. This is the first face on the loyal seal so it's a portrait of Seshavrel with the wording H Seshavrel DD and I think in a bit you'll see that it is pretty much identical to the image on the disloyal seal. The second image on the loyal seal is a profile portrait of Queen Anne inscribed Anna D.G. This was clearly intended to associate Seshavrel with Queen Anne to emphasise Seshavrel's claim that he didn't challenge or question the Queen's right to the throne. After all if you were in a coffee house or a club you would be showing this to friends who would turn the seal on its swivel and would be able to see Seshavrel and then Queen Anne. The third face on the seal is a monogram probably MCCN which has been interpreted by the British Museum catalogue as a reference to Magdalene College Oxford. Magdalene College, College Ym Magdalene, I think it would be. The British Museum catalogue suggests that this third face was intended for use by an official aboardling college Oxford. Now this clearly wasn't an official seal that wouldn't have been a portable item. I suppose it could have been a seal used by a college official while they were travelling away from the college or it could simply be that these are the initials of the owner which I think is an equally plausible explanation. But the third seal was clearly a personalisation of the seal to an institution or to an individual. Either way the loyal seal clearly associates Seshavrel with the legitimacy of Queen Anne and we couldn't possibly say that it had any width of Jacobite leanings. It's the sort of seal that a Tory fellow at Magdalene College might well own but that could be owned by anybody who was a supporter of both Seshavrel and Queen Anne. The second seal, the disloyal seal, is very different indeed and gives an alternative version of the purpose and principles behind such a seal. It also features Seshavrel's heading profile. The disloyal seal is one on the right hand side. I'm sorry that the images of these seals are difficult to capture with lighting but I hope we can see that the seal on the right hand side and the seal on the left hand side they are in fact despite the photography of identical signs are both comparable images of Henry Seshavrel. In this case the lettering is DD Seshavrel. Now the second face on the disloyal seal is very different and it depicts a cherub holding a crown over an altar on which there's a small flame burning. The inscription although it's damaged seems to be poor circumstances which doesn't translate readily from French it may be Norman French for for saying it. It doesn't appear to be a family motto, it doesn't appear to be a known phrase but if it is Norman French for the phrase for saying it it could be an exhortation to proclaim adherence to Seshavrel's ideals and therefore of the hereditary right of the stewards to the throne of Britain. The image of the cherub crown and altar on the second face it seems to me is difficult to interpret as anything other than a reference to the divinely sanctioned nature of monarchy and the hereditary nature of kingship. Perhaps the inscription is a reference to Seshavrel's willingness to speak of the nature of monarchy. Clearly this divine right nature of kingship was a Jacobine theme. It represented the base on which they sought to restore the stewards to the throne. So associating Seshavrel's portrait with this sort of image which could only be regarded as a Jacobite image was clearly politically dangerous. It's difficult to imagine the occasion on which you would be able to seal a document with this image without attracting some attention as it passed through the post office. The third face on the seal is something of a mystery. It's an armorial bearing. The arms show a shield on cross anchors which is characteristic of certain offices in the French Ocier regime. In France, two anchors in saltire behind the arms denotes a general of the gallus which is a high naval appointment. The eight-pointed star or yes, the eight-pointed star probably indicates that the order is a light of the order of St John of Malta or possibly of the order of Lazarus. The coronet is in French style and the cross is behind and below the shield but also unknown in the shiraldic use. So the armorial bearing is unknown and identified probably represents an exile at the Jacobite court in France in 1710 and perhaps a Catholic aristocrat. So there are two shiraldic seals, one loyal, the other disloyal, almost certainly made by the same seal maker, almost certainly as bespoke items for two people with diametrically opposed political principles. The loyal seal may well have been widely seen by friends of the owner. The disloyal seal probably by only a very few because of its width of treason. Now a question arises, were the shavarles seals ever used? Well, the British Museum catalogue shows two examples of the use of such seals featuring shavarles in British Library additional manuscripts in which the seals were used in the 1740s. Francis Falcon and Matten identified the use of such a seal on a document in the Summers Cox papers in the Surrey History Centre also dating from the 1740s. My own research has revealed other examples, a conveyance of land in Bedfordshire in April 1714 bears an image of the shavarles and a counterpart seal on a lease for land at Morling in Somerset in 1725 also bears the image of the shavarles. When this lecture was advertised, Dr Christopher Wright, I hope is in the audience, of the British Library very kindly drew my attention to a shavarles seal in press on a document which he owns, a document which dates from 1711, so it was sealed very soon after the height of the shavarles mania. That document was a financial bond signed by Archbus Kipax, the Archdeacon of the Isle of Man and Vicar of Hormskirk in Lancashire. This is the only surviving use of the seal by a clergyman which I think makes it quite significant. Further investigation of the seal in the Summers Cox papers at the Surrey History Centre reveals that two of the parties to the deed, William Golding and William Glassbrooke, were hot factors from the parish of Salius Southwch, the parish in which the shavarles was a chaplain from 1710. According to Geoffrey Holmes, the distinguished historian of the shavarles trial, rulers and other related tradesmen were particularly keen supporters of the shavarles in 1710. In all of the cases of the use of the shavarles seals, the purpose seems to be for legal authentication of a document rather than securing the privacy of a letter to go in the post. These impressions suggest that while the seals may have been bought in the period of or immediately after the trial, they remained in use, perhaps as family, personal or business seals long after the shavarles died in 1724. Like the portraits of the shavarles, the seals featuring his image lost their appeal and popularity only very slowly. Moreover, they were prized objects. They were made from iron with a very high carbon content. In fact, the rust on these iron seals is very, very slight, which suggests they're made with a very, very high carbon content, and therefore they were these expensive elite items quite difficult to reduce and would have been very costly. The disloyal seal hangs on a very fine chain in which there are dual blinks of crystal, and clearly as a fob seal they were designed for display, suggesting that the owner wore it personally on his body. The existence of two seals representing such different sets of political principles suggests that the market for high-end expenses for shavarles commemorative items, including seals and medals, was the most politically differentiated. The wealthy who wanted to show their support for shavarles behind churchmen could buy a loyalist seal and use it without impugning, indeed explicitly endorsing, Queen Anne's title to the throne. Those who wanted to allude to their own principles of the divine character of the monarchy and associated with the shavarles could do so in a seal which hinted broadly at treason. It's difficult, as I've said, to imagine the occasional on which a disloyal seal would be openly used. In France, perhaps among the exile court, it would have been more easily used than in England. These disloyal objects were part of a flourishing culture of Jacobitism that included jewellery, glassware, ceramics, books, and small personal items such as snuff boxes. They grew in popularity in the years after 1714. The fox seal could be easily placed in a pocket small enough to be hidden from the views of others. But what both of these seals suggest is that sigilographers have called time on the significance of seals far too early, that seals were still commissioned and used as personal and ideological objects into the 18th century suggest that we ought to pay more attention to them in this period. Thank you.


welcome you all to today's session. This is secrets to collaborating with makers to co-create tech for civil society. And so we're really thrilled to be here to have all of you leaders from civil society with us today. Today's session is really about how can you find the right makers for your projects, how they work understanding their methodologies, how they do processes, and then how can you communicate effectively with this segment of people to ensure that your project actually goes smoothly and you achieve the outcomes that you're looking for. So today you're going to get practical advice on how to get your organization ready to successfully implement decentralized applications and then also how to collaborate with different startups in the tech space. So I just wanted to say a huge thank you to the Filecoin Foundation. They're the ones that have supported this session and the other sessions that TechSoup has been putting on. My name is Ann Connolly and today I'm going to be your event host. So today I'm really excited to introduce our guest expert, Michelle Wukar. So Michelle Wukar is head of ecosystems at Octant. She recently co-authored the state of Web3 Grants report and created the Protocol Party game as a researcher in Ethereum Foundation's former protocols program. She's a Forbes 30 under 30, a two-time TEDx speaker and has won many hats in prior years including being a media entrepreneur, a community builder, and a writer. Michelle, thank you so much for joining us. I will hand it over to you. Yeah, let's get started. I wanted to start with something a little bit more personal. I think this session is going to be pretty, I really want to share a bit about my own journey and how I got into this space and then the second part of it is going to be focused on how you can really learn more about the space, really get involved, and then how you can benefit from a lot of what's going on in this space. So a little bit about my Web2 journey. So I've been an entrepreneur a few times. I used to run a media company, have done DTC and just really been in tech. And along the way built an accelerator program helping founders go from early stage to revenue in 60 days. And in short, I really had no business being in Web3. I do have a technical background, but I have not coded in a long time. And you would wonder what someone like me was doing in Web3. And so this was like a snapshot of Web2. And I entered this, I really started, I'd say, when everyone was talking about NFTs and monkey JPEGs, there's a time when you couldn't escape the internet, especially if you're like chronically online like me on Twitter, you would hear the word Web3 every now and then. And so I started getting curious because a lot of my friends who I consider the smartest people around me were starting to build in this space and were pretty active. And I've been loosely involved in the sense that we'd give Bitcoin workshops years ago and would be organizing them. But just from an awareness perspective, there's no actual building going on. And it really was just helping people understand this new tech that it started and started getting involved with NFTs and wanted to understand what all this hype was around. It felt a lot of, especially if you're not in the industry, there's so many misconceptions and there's just all this buzz. And you just wonder, you see these headlines that I think a lot of times really exaggerate and misrepresent a lot of the actual development that's going on in the industry. And so I was just curious and started getting involved with some communities, started dowing in the space, which really means working with a bunch of different dows and the way the space goes and I'll explain a little bit more. There's a lot of flexibility in terms of what you can do. And so I started working with some of the top dows, including seed club, thankless Dow, Protein, Gitcoin and She-Fi, from there ventured into heading a product studio in Web 3. And a lot of it was exploring curiosities, right? So I'd say like a big part of this industry is really just choose your own path. And there aren't a lot of binaries in that traditional way. And over the course of from last year to this year, I just really wanted to explore more around the research side of things. And so part of like essentially was part of this program called Summer Protocols, where we had a bunch of different folks who were in Web 3 and then had a different background that wasn't just technical from the arts, social sciences, entrepreneurship, and just a few different areas come together to figure out what protocols are and to figure out how we can make this accessible. And so what I created was a game called Protocol Party. And what it is, so this is going to be published in a few months time, but it's essentially a game where I wanted my friends to understand what protocols are. And no one in my actual life really understands a lot of what I do, which I feel like is something a lot of folks in the space share. And so this is the board name and it's a card game where there's a gifting scenario where you are at a housewarming party in Dubai. And there's different social scenarios. And you choose your own path in terms of what you would do in each scenario before the party, during, and then after. And it is supposed to be a fun game, but what it does is you end up at your protocol persona. And this is based on a larger research paper by this researcher called Angela Walsh, and she did on your journey in the protocol system. And so this felt like a fun way, or probably the only way, and you my friends would be reading a lot of these papers or essentially just doing a lot of the technical stuff that we were working on. And I felt like a good breaker into them understanding a little bit about the space and just about protocols. But let me, and the other part was I, to really get into the space and be more, to learn more about dows and stuff, actually a joint two different programs. One was Kernel and the other was She-Fi. And She-Fi is a program that helps women understand more about Web3 and get into the space. There's a lot of technical stuff. There's a lot about understanding the space and there's a lot of sessions by different dows and protocols and layers and just a lot of the top organizations in this industry. And then Kernel was a very different one because it's a very humanities approach. If you can call that, there's a lot more, and you'll understand this as we go into this session, but there's just a lot more focus on connection, on introspection, and just on reflecting on the world and how that makes sense. And it all connects to tech in Web3 and Pacific. And it's a really cool way of really getting to know people. And you'll understand why that's so important in this space because people and connections are really how you can grow and even how you can ultimately help the org that you're a part of or that you've started or the project that you're trying to build. And then Bankless Dow has been on a mission to help more people understand dFi, Web3, and just a lot of the technologies and just to demystify them. And so that's been the final part of my journey. And a few things around the research side have done research on token models, community building, I've written a bunch of stuff. So if you're interested in anything specific, just reach out after. I can send you a couple links on any of these things if you want to learn more about them. I think y'all had Azim in one of the last calls, and he was speaking a little bit more about Gitcoin and quadratic funding. So I've actually known a couple of case studies as well on some of their success stories with QF and QV and how community votes help decide what the space is. And that's been pretty cool as well. But grant programs as well, which make up a really big part of this industry and are very crucial, I'd say pillar almost in helping the space grow. And let's start off a little bit with where I currently am in my role. And so this might be of relevance, especially if you're building a public good project or essentially any, if there's any part of your project that's a little bit more open sourced, and it's going to be accessible to folks, this could be relevant for you. So at Octant, we fund public good projects and we help folks earn ETH rewards. And how we do that is oops, here we go. So every 90 days, we've got folks where we select different public goods projects along with our community. And Golden Foundation is really the parent company that Octant really spun out of. And what folks can do is lock in GLM, which is our token. And through this, they receive ETH rewards and they can donate to projects. And from this epoch, which is going to be essentially from January, any donation is matched and multiplied. And so it's a pretty straightforward platform. We've actually state 100,000 ETH and a lot of these rewards go into funding public goods projects. There's a QR link here. So if you're interested in learning more, feel free to scan it. And we can help you on that journey. So if you're a project that would qualify, happy to chat about that later as well. But yeah, I'll take a few seconds if you want to scan this and then we can move forward. Sweet. So we'll get right into it. Like how do you work in this space, right? Or let's actually start with culture first. Vibes. And I know that sounds really silly, but that's really what the space is. I think a big part of what might make this space feel scary is not understanding how it operates. I think a few especially if you come from like a Web 2 context where things are pretty in a professional setting, I think everything's super proper. But I think the best way to explain Web 3 culture is it's just not. And I think the more you interact with it, you'll understand a lot of it is just based on vibes. And it's almost like a meme or a running joke at this point. But I'm going to try my best to help break that down, especially if you're new to the space and to make it seem a little bit less scary. It took me at least six months of really being part of a few different core communities to even feel like I was a part of the space. And it can feel a little bit different, right? If you're just starting off and it can feel overwhelming. So there's a lot of unlearning that happens as you realize, wait, like it's actually super chill. And how a lot of it operates. And I think just in terms of the culture, right? There's a lot of flexibility. This is something that's just across the board, you will be working with folks that are most likely in probably there's, I'd say every part of the world. There is a lot of focus on decentralization and permissionless ethos, right? There is just this general understanding that this is what we stand for. And there's a lot of belief in public goods and a lot of focus on community run decision making and a lot of shifts in terms of power. This space is supposed to signify, really, I'd say almost like a utopian reality. And I don't know how much of it is true essentially, right? Because we're so far from reaching there. And of course, there's like pros and cons with everything. But a lot of it is shifting the power and the balance back to community stuff. There's a lot of good organizations, but community is at the heart of almost everything that we do in this space. There's a lot of focus. And because so much of the space is online, there's a lot. There's a running joke, actually, which is like Web 3 is really just an events industry. And that's because there are so many events. But because it's so online, we events are really the best way to build credibility. And I'll go into that into a little bit, but like hackathons conferences, I mean, there's like a hackathon almost every day, if I'm not wrong, just like in some part of the world in Web 3. There's conference weeks, there's one after another. And there's just so much that's always going on. I'd say like the best, I guess the best parallel would be a month or like a few months in this industry feel like years in any other industry. That's just how fast-paced it is as well. But just in terms of the general culture, a lot of focus on open-source software and a lot more on, I think, building together, collaborating versus being competitive. And that's really what I've always appreciated. And one of the reasons I got into this space is I really just appreciated that part in specific, and how it was just different, right? Instead of feeling like you're going to, there's almost like this Web 2 mindset of protect your IP, but in Web 3, it's really just open-source everything and get more people to build on top of what you're building. And so how do you work with folks in this space? I'd say pick an ecosystem and deep dive into it. I'm not going to call myself an e-maxi, but I think that's really what I am. I'm super, super into the Ethereum ecosystem, but the reason I say pick one and stick to it is because there are so many different things happening in almost every single ecosystem. You're just going to overwhelm yourself if you're trying to reach every single one. So pick one, start with it, and there's a few different signifiers. Like, for example, the number of developers to learn and to understand better, but I'd say like an easier one to understand and be, and that's super accessible is the Ethereum community. There's probably an ETH meetup group or like an ETH community wherever you are geographically, and if there isn't one, there's a lot of support to help you get started to bring people together, and that's really how a lot of the biggest events in this space also started. There's a couple, if you haven't been to any Web 3 events before, like there's a couple that are coming up, that should probably be on your radar. ETH Denver is happening in February, DEF CON is happening most likely in the, no, I think, oh, I think we still have to finalize this location, but it's going to be in Southeast Asia. And so DEF CON is going to be another really big one. And these are two where there's a lot of builders. And what typically happens in these events is it's going to be like a week long event. And there's a lot of side events. And that's really where it's not just about attending, it's really about connecting with people. And that's where a lot of stuff happens. There's Cosmoverse, there's Solana Breakpoint, these are different ecosystems, of course, but you can look at the bigger events that are happening, plan out your schedule. And this is one of the best ways to make things happen, especially in terms of partnerships and collaborations. This is really the key. Join a community. And the best part is that because a lot of these communities are online and accessible, it's really easy to join one and to start getting to know people. You can join a program, what I did, and that makes it a lot easier to connect with people. Another one is participate in a hackathon. There's a really big hackathon culture in this space. And we'll get into that in a little bit as well. And finally, get active. Can you maybe, sorry, Michelle, just for the audience who may not know what a hackathon is, can you just explain really briefly what that would look like? I have a whole slide on explaining it. So I'd say, but I can give, of course, like a quick up. So a hackathon is essentially like a short, I'd say like an event where you build something. So you form a team, you can also do the solo, you have a time frame that's very limited and very intense. So in 48 to 72 hours, sometimes can be max a week long, you build something and you present it. And it's almost like a demo day that startups have, but really, that's the best equivalence to this. But you really just get together, very intensely, build something. And yeah, that's really what a hackathon is. And you can get prizes. There's a lot of main prizes. There's a lot of side ones too. But yeah, it's very intense, but so helpful in terms of really just building something and getting it off the ground. That's awesome. We have one question also from Joe. He says, if you pick one, I think one community is what he's talking about, and find that your organization doesn't fit in, can you switch to another one that fits better with your organization? Oh, totally. Yeah. Really, a lot of it is choose your own path, right? So if you feel like you can't align, oh, there probably will be some form of project or something or the other that is relevant to what you're doing. But if there isn't, you can go from one to the next, and it's probably going to grow your network as well. And sometimes people do switch. Like, there was a switch to polygon projects. There's a lot of projects that work together as well, depending on which part of the ecosystem you're in. There's like a different answer to that. But yes, you can totally transition, switch from one ecosystem to the next. I would still say give an ecosystem enough time, because initially it is overwhelming, and it might feel like you're not making progress. But of course, with any industry, it takes time to build connections, to build credibility, and to build trust. And a lot of this space is very trust-based. Key to success, I'd say if you're going to do one thing right now, download these three apps, Discord, X, or Twitter, and Telegram. This is how this industry operates, like DMs over emails, deals are done through DMs, like you're going to have tens of millions, or sometimes even hundreds of millions of dollars that are being transacted through in terms of partnerships and collaborations, and just projects that are being built all through direct messaging. And so this is one thing that's really different. It's very online. It's very casual. It's very normal to not even see. There's a lot of focus on an on a MIDI actually. So you might actually never know what the person's real name is, that you're speaking to, and who you're working with. You'll just know their username, and that's just about it. And unless you've met them at an event, that is likely how it'll stay. So there's a lot of folks who you'll be chatting with, and you'll literally just call them by their username, because that's what they prefer. But that's very normal in your space. There really is a very online identity, it's like world almost, that you're going to be diving into. It's very normal. And this is why that's also like the beauty of it. Because it's all online, everything is accessible. If you commit yourself to really getting to know people, you really can. Just by joining different Discord communities, almost every project has a Discord or Telegram that's active. Anytime there's events, Telegram groups pop up as well. And that's one of the best ways to see what's happening to connect with other people. Be very careful of scams though. That's one thing, especially if it's a really big Discord, users are always the weakest link. So if anyone asks you for money or ether, even if they seem legitimate, please don't click links without looking at what it is. And just as a general rule, don't accept DMs from people you don't know. Keep chats online unless someone is directly messaging you from their profile. But yeah, just be generally cautious in terms of social stuff. Some of the best people sometimes have had their profiles compromised. And so just like a disclaimer that I would like to give. But yeah, this is how it is. Sorry, one more question here from Trina. If a person is not on Twitter or LinkedIn, is there another way to connect with a speaker by email or phone? Oh, sorry. Trina, are you trying to get in touch with Michelle? I think, never mind. I think she's trying to get in touch with you. So we can, we'll make sure that you're able to connect by email or something like that. Yeah, yeah, I'm fine. Whatever platform you message me on, whether it's Instagram as well, I will respond. I'm fine. But a lot of folks, especially in the space, Twitter, Telegram and Discord, that's really what you're restricted to. I've worked with a lot of people who didn't even want to do meet or Zoom calls. They legit just wanted to have calls on Discord or on Telegram. And I still don't know their real name, even though I've worked with them for months and months. And so that's just Web3 life. That's just the reality of it. So just get very comfortable with that. It's very normal. One thing people do at events, and this really might be new to you if you haven't been to a Web3 event, but the minute you meet someone, you exchange your Telegram username and you take a photo and you send it to each other just so you remember who the person is, because you're going to be connecting with so many people. So it's very normal for just, this is almost like a, it's almost like intuitive at some point once you've attended enough events, right? If someone does ask you for a photo once you've connected with them, just keep that in mind, totally normal for that to happen. So this was my first, I went to my first Web3 conference last year. It was DevCon. And DevCon is one of the largest or the biggest Ethereum conference, it's a developers conference. And I'd say it was the first time I really experienced Builder culture. Before that, I had been to crypto events and those were different because I think they were just so commercialized. It wasn't until I went to this event that I just realized what Web3 culture is like. And so the first thing that stood out to me, no one was talking about price. We were in the middle of the bear market. I know the prices are great right now, but just at that time, it really was as terrible as it could have gotten with FTX and everything else that was happening, but no one cared. And in the kind of conversations that were happening, were around the tech development and the kinds of the future of a lot of the stuff around zero knowledge proofs and a lot of the layer twos. And there was just a lot of really, a lot of conversations with a lot of substance. And that was really interesting. There's a, we are going to make it culture. Wagne, this is like a, it's like a Web3 term. We tweet out and we'll just share similar to GM culture. So one of the things that happens in a lot of communities, and then started right when the space started started picking up, but people will write like GM for a good morning and GM for good night.   And Wagne's similar in that way where there is this, you almost want to be bullish on things getting better in this space really picking up. And everyone talks about onboarding the next billion, but there is a lot of focus on, even if it has nothing to do with onboarding people, that's just sort of part of the ethos and the culture of it. And so a few things that I picked out here, when you go to a Web3 event, that's actual, it's got actual builders, it's just going to be like, there's a quirky culture element. There's a lot of memes and a strong meme culture. And these were some posters I saw at one of the boots with Vitalik. And that was like an Uncle Sam version of it. There's a lot of wristbands that you're going to collect as you go to different events. And that's, there's a lot of swag, there's a lot of focus on that. And it's on like very quirky things. And I'll show you what that means, but just some of the things to expect in terms of that. This is from DevConnect and Assemble that happened last month. And to verify identity, there was this thing called ZooPass where you had to show your identity. And it was related to ZK technology. And it just picked up. So these are the kinds of things, whack things that can pick up essentially, where if you collected a frog NFT, and you could do this every 15 minutes, and what it would do is it would help make the network stronger.  And once you had collected like 60 frogs, you could get a frog cap. And like people loved this. And this is like what the cap looked like. And it became so popular that they ran out of frog caps. And they actually had an actual frog going around. And people got really excited. So this is like one example of a random thing. But these are the kinds of things that you can expect to be totally normal. A bunch of people started adding a frog emoji to their Twitter names as well, just to show that they've got a frog cap and just that they're part of this inner joke almost. But yeah, we had a bunch of events and parties and people wearing these frog caps. And it'll it's like one of the most it might seem really weird, but that's Web3 culture in a nutshell, where it's just that's fun. It's almost like an inner joke where you're part of this and you get excited. And yeah, that's just a big part of this space. So how do you really plan it? Sorry, one question before you move forward. Joe is wondering if you can tell us the difference between Web2 and Web3? Totally. So the best way is Web3 is supposed to be antithetical to big tech. And what I mean by that is Web2 is pretty extractive, right? You've got a handful of companies that make a lot of money essentially based off of our usage, right? So companies make money on ads and they're extracting from users in a way where we don't get anything back. We don't have power on how our information is used and how a lot of our usage is really helping companies get rewarded. But Web3 is like the opposite side of it where it's people and you essentially have control, power, and understand what's happening. So transparency is a big part of Web3. Open sourcing things, right? Where it's really instead of a lot of development, but in a way that's super collaborative. And yeah, that's I guess that's like an easier way to talk about it. But decentralized technology where yeah, it's not centralized. That's the core difference between Web2 and Web3. And then you can go into different directions with it, but that's the simplest way to explain it. And so how do you grow in this space? Community at the heart of everything. There's a really strong focus on community online and offline. And understanding the culture really helps you become a bigger part of the community. Most of the time people are super, super friendly and are welcome to onboard and welcome you. It's totally okay to ask questions and not understand. People are willing to make a lot of time to even like basic things like what is a wallet? How do you buy your first crypto? Like for the most part, if you are just joining this industry, like people are going to be really excited that you are and are going to go out of their way to help you and connect with people. And I'd say we have a community mindset. There's this whole we all grow together mentality. That's a big part of the space. And so keeping that in mind, even as you're thinking about how to collaborate with other folks is going to be key. And what are strong elements of this culture? So there's hacker culture, bounties, grant programs, and governance. And we'll go into those. So let's start with hacker houses and hackathons. So they're typically 48 to 72 hour long.  So this is an example of put a screenshot of ETH Global. So this is just from one event where they had over 625,000 available in prices in assemble and look up ETH Global. And they typically have periodic events and hackathons. So there was also virtual hackathons that you can participate in. You don't need to be somewhere in person. But essentially, there's different objectives depending on what the price is. And you build something. So if it's I'll give an example if it's like, let me see who are the sponsors or ENS. So ENS, if ENS had a price for 10,000, they would typically have, hey, this is what you need to build and they'd give some sort of direction in terms of the kind of projects they want to see.  And that's how, yeah, that's essentially a hackathon is you just meet people and you build with them. And typically most hackathons also have information sessions, so they will give sessions on how to pitch, what to build, what to focus on, what they're looking for. There is a whole guide into how you can really excel at hackathons and a lot of even experience and super DOGs in this space who still participate in hackathons just because it's intense and it's just such a big part of the culture. I participate in my first hackathon in DevConnect, which was another event that happened and was organized by the Ethereum Foundation last month. And it was super intense, but I'd say just like that experience is worth it, right? Because you're just so under pressure in, yeah, it's just like a fun experience to fun and intense and might be something that may not always be for you, but it's really one of the best ways to meet other people in this space and to see how projects evolve and just like to understand the different mindsets as well. A few things that happen, right? You meet people, there's a lot of fun swag, which is another way. Once you start getting a lot of the swag and merch that you get at events, people identify you, like I'm wearing a shirt from DevCon, but whenever I've worn it and I'm at an event, people immediately, it becomes like a point of connection where you're like, oh yeah, like I was at this event too, that was cool. And so it becomes like a really great way to break the ice and go to just connect with people. And yeah, you can ship fun projects. Another thing that happens once you do try to build in the spaces, you can get that company's attention and two, you can win a prize, right? So even if you don't win a prize, you can still connect with key people that are part of that company during the hackathon and you can understand what they're looking for. If they would be interested in something outside of what the hackathon scope is. And so this can be another way to meet a lot of people in a short amount of time and just to be, yeah, just like speeds up your process of being in the industry. The other part is there's multiple prices as well, right? So you don't, you could be building one project and apply to a few different ones and could make it work. So that could be something as well. Now bounties are really just the simplest way to describe them is it's really just a task that you complete and it can take different forms, but you get rewarded for it. And so an example of a bounty on Banquet's Dow, for example, is that you set up your socials and you go through their guides for socials and their social media platforms. And then they might ask you to retweet something or to create something or there's different asks depending on if it's a Dow or if it's a company or whatever it is. There's a lot of, for example, a lot of protocols put out security bounties for folks to test from the security side to make sure whatever they're launching is secure enough. And so that's like a security bounty, but there's a lot of social bounties as well. And what they really are meant for is to get people to do small tasks and to participate and engage. So they can take different forms, but that's a big part of the spaces in getting people to rally up together. And then grant programs. So this is what was a big part of the research that I was doing over the summer. So me and other researcher Eugene published the State of Webtree Grants Report. This is an 86 page report. So there's a deep dive into programs, but some of the highlights. So we studied 13 programs, spoke to folks on the operational side and stuff, but there was over one billion that had been committed in grant funding. And over 68, 61 million deployed within 2018 to 2023. That's a lot of funding. And there's still a lot of funding. We still haven't even covered all of the programs that are in this industry.  They are such a big part of this industry, but no one had done research on identifying how these programs are run, how impact is measured, and just generally how they operate. And so we took a deeper dive into understanding that, breaking that down to make it accessible to people. And again, we got a grant for that as well from Gitcoin to be able to do this and from another private donor who wanted to support this. And it's why it's open source and it is a public good where people can really understand it. Another fun fact, close to 6,000 projects that had been funded by the time this report was published, these numbers have obviously gone up since then. And the programs that we focused on, so there was Avi Granstau, Compound, Ethereum Foundation, Mantle, Solana, Tom, Uniswap, Elgarand, Polygon, Protocol Labs, Filecoin Foundation is a part of Protocol Labs. And so that's like a fun fact as well. Then we had quadratic funding grant operators like Clear Fund and Gitcoin. And will we broke down and what the, and please do read the report if you really want to solve understanding, but we broke it down into each of these different parts where we looked at the stats, community, and how transparent each of these grant programs were and how much of the community say was a part of the decision making, the kind of challenges that they faced, what they did well, the history, the process ops, review structure, and most importantly, the impact measurement side, which we were most interested in. And we were able to bucket these programs into a few different categories, so there was the active programs. But then there's a lot of programs at Sunset and had an exit to Venture, where it used to be a grants program and now instead of a grant, what you get is an investment and there is an exit to Venture. The other part being there's an exit to community where the grant program went from being centralized to having the community run the program. And then the final part being this is completely shut down. And so how can you benefit from a grant program? There's a few different, I think a very basic step to it here is understanding the kinds of options available to you. There's a few different ways. There's quadratic funding and Kitcoin uses quadratic funding a lot, but what it is essentially a way for communities decision making to help decide how a bigger pool of capital is split up. And if you're thinking about quadratic funding, a few things you want to think about is building community support. There are so many projects that apply to Gitcoin rounds. And so if you're applying to Gitcoin round and you don't have a community strategy in mind, you're not going to get a lot of funding. So a few things to keep in mind, connecting with people, really marketing your project and gathering community support to get people to donate a dollar. It doesn't have to be a lot of funds in terms of numbers. Of course, bigger funding helps, but with QF, so much of it is numbers and community numbers. And so keep that in mind, same with clear fund, where it is going to be community voting that really helped decide how the funds are allocated. There's prospective grants, where these are really more rolling grants and applications. And these are typically a little bit larger, where they're for bigger, like just a time frame for them is a little bit longer. And they get a lot of applicants. And so that's why they require a lot of resources. But if you're going to go for something of this sort, you really want to be super detailed. And some of the learnings on our end were that like, there's a difference between being just like a generic project versus one that's really looked into the grant program objectives and mission and looked at what's when you speak to someone from the grant program side and are able to get their feedback to really craft your perfect application, that can be super helpful. And so being able to go onto a forum and really get feedback on the appetite for funding of this sort can be helpful. And then keep that in mind as you take that feedback into account. Then there are some programs like Solana and Ave. And what they do is they have requests for proposals or RFPs, and there's typically going to be certain kinds of projects that they want to build in their ecosystem. And so what they do is they'll have RFPs that they send out, and then projects can apply to get grant funding and to build out that project. And this is becoming increasingly popular, especially one thing to keep in mind, almost every ecosystem wants to attract builders and developers. And so if you've got a project that's going to bring more activity to, for example, their ecosystem, they are going to want to give you funding. That's just like the baseline metric. And think about that as you think about your project. Think about how many people could enter their ecosystem. And think about that perspective as you think about what kind of project to recommend. And another part of it where it doesn't need to be like what your full project is about. It could be an aspect of the project that you want getting funding. But keeping that in mind can really help. For example, there's a lot of companies that are media companies and are full-fledged typical media companies like Misari or Blockworks, but they've got an aspect or project that they've open sourced. So with Misari, I think there's like trackers for tokens with Blockworks. They've got like a grant. I'm forgetting what it's called, but they've essentially listed all of the grants that come up. And so they received funding from a few different ecosystems to build these out. And so even if your project, again, is not related to whatever it is that the grant program is about, you can still build a component and get funding for that. Research grants, they can be technical as well, but there's a bunch of research grants that do exist. The theorem foundation takes the most risk from what I've observed in terms of the kind of projects that they fund. And they will sometimes be the first ones to okay a project that other ecosystems would not want to support. Like the protocol research one where I created a game and it was really just a more social aspect. But the summer protocols was essentially funded by the EF. Protocol labs, Molecule, MediGov, each of these have a research grant perspective. And so just something for you to keep in mind, even if you're not looking to do research, you could still get funding for a component that kind of brings this forward. And then some of the findings from the grant report that we did, and this could be a potential project for you to pitch to these ecosystems, right? And then there's a few different ones really here. But again, for a lot of programs, we felt like the alignment wasn't there in terms of intention and then how they were running the program. And so there's still a lot more that they want to do. But again, a lot of these grant programs are super underutilized. And so I'd say like the impact measurement part has not been something that they've done very well. There's a sense of fear around ROI reporting. And I'd say there's very few that are actually reporting how they're doing from an applications and operations perspective. So AVI Grants DAO is one example I like to give because they have consistent reporting and they started this a few months ago, but they report how many applications they get, they report on how the funding is allocated, and there's a lot of transparency they bring to the community. But just overall, there's a lot more that could be done in terms of tooling foreground programs. This is something we felt like was missing a lot of things. There are some tools, but there's still so much more that could be done even around consistency, right? There aren't a lot of ways for programs to check who's got what kind of funding. So one issue that came up was grant farming. Grant farming is when a project will apply to 10 different grants and they're really operating through getting grant funding. And this was something that kept coming up and the projects weren't able to verify who else this project had gotten funding from just from a grant program perspective. And so that could be something to build on systems of support for grantees. It wasn't just financial support, but when we spoke to grantees, we realized that they really appreciated promotional support, partner support, tech support, financial roadmap planning support. And so there's so many different ways for your project to step in and actually help programs on the grantee side or on the grant operator side. Like that in itself can become a potential project that you could get funding for. And then how can you benefit from running a grant program? So I'd say especially in this industry, typical marketing activities don't work. If you're running an ad on X or Twitter, it's not going to get you the kind of results that running a grant program or in bounties will. So if you want to attract the best kind of people to your project and you want to get the best eyeballs, run a grants program. That's really the best it can become your best marketing tool. And this is like an unspoken rule of the industry. A bunch of programs started grants programs because they wanted to market to builders and just to people in general. And again, this is one of the best ways to attract the best people to build the community as well. And it can even be focused on your needs. It doesn't need to be a technical grants program, right? One of the things we're running at Octant are community rounds where folks can actually talk about content creation and whatnot. And they can get a grant for that. And it can be like a really small mini grant rate. But look at what your needs are and think about how you could spin up a grants program focused on them to solve that problem. A big misconception is that you need a lot of funding to run a grants program. You can do two things. One, you can run a grants program even with a small number of GeoWeb recently did a get coin round with 4Eath. And then we recently at Octant have been running our first, we did our first community round with G5 for 6Eath as well. And don't feel like you need to look for hundreds of thousands of dollars for grant funding. You can start with smaller amounts too. You can still get your community needs and just build a stronger community as you market the program. And then finally let your community decide. There's a big part on community building and that's why I keep saying community, but it's not a buzzword. When you run a program, especially if it's on a tool that's going to help you market it, you can actually get more people to learn about what you're doing. So think about that and just take it a step further and really to build that whole cycle. And then finally, again, you can scan this link if you want to learn more about Octant, but also you can reach out to me on any of my socials if you have any questions and want to get in touch. That's great. Thank you so much. We have one question from John that came in a little bit early. So you've addressed this a little bit, but I did want to reiterate it again. But John says, if we are interested in launching a DAP for the public good, are there any DAOs or hackathons out there that we should target specifically in order to kick start such an initiative of this nature? This would be only to begin a conversation and bring a greater awareness about our initiative and get to know and connect with more people in the Web3 community. What's the first DAP that organizations should take if they're interested in doing that? EVE Global is a really good one that you can think about and they've got that focus. It depends on what kind of public goods you're focusing on as well. Bitcoin and Clear Fund have internal grants programs too, so those could probably work for you too. Great. So if anyone else has questions, definitely feel free to drop them in the Q&A. I'm curious, Michelle, if you've seen a lot of adoption within these grants programs towards traditional nonprofit programs as opposed to Web3 open source type programs, have you seen that shift from the Web3 foundations into supporting more traditional charitable initiatives? Yeah, totally. The thing is, it depends on what kind of community you've built with your own initiative. It doesn't need to be a Web3 community. If you've gotten people to rally around and have shown interest in your Web2 project, you can figure out a way for these companies to partner with you. They care about end users. In terms of end users, what you want to think about is, if your product or service is going to be used, how can they get to know the grant program that you're applying for or that you're thinking about, right? So that can become a really good way. And I'd say another part of it is a lot of orgs really don't know how to work with Web3 companies, right?  But what you want to do is connect with the head of ecosystem or someone who runs in is on their grants program side to chat with them and figure out how can we work together. Part of it might be they have the technical talent to help your project grow. And it's a really good press for them. And it's good awareness for them if they go into an actual use case. The face of the industry that we're in is everyone's trying to figure out their product market fit and are trying to figure out use cases, like actual use cases. If you feel like there's a way that any of these ecosystems could support you, and it's like a win for both of you, that's what you want to be thinking about and chatting about. And you may not have all the answers, but this is something you could probably work with each of these ecosystems to figure out. Yeah, I noticed one of the things that I noticed in the change from when I went from a nonprofit career to a crypto career is the change in pace and speed. So the Web 3 space is, I'm sure you can speak to this, Michelle, it's just like you can spin up projects in 24 hours. And so I would be questioning what are your thoughts around how can nonprofits actually pick their pace up to match the pace of the Web 3 space? All of us constantly feel like we are not on top of our stuff. Yeah, there's no kidding around how fast space this space is. Don't take too much time for decision making and the perfect strategy. The best way to learn is dive in. Done is better than perfect. And so spin out whatever you can. By the time if you're spending months, kind of figure out your strategy, it's going to be out of date and out of touch by the time you put it into implementation. Because the industry may have changed and sentiments change and everything else changes around that. And so even with the grants programs, what they were looking for and the kinds of projects changed with each iteration of their grant grant. And so keep that in mind. Now and done is better than perfect. And just key that mentality in general, right? Experiment and keep an open mind as you're thinking about what you want to do. And you can start with lower risk projects, right? Maybe you don't want to do a full transition, but you want to start like step by step. And that way you're building credibility. You're testing things out. And you also figure out what kind of team or ecosystem you want to build in. One thing that is very true is that the more developed ecosystems may not give as much support from the core organization perspective as compared to newer ones. So the newer layer twos, for example, that are launching, they want to attract the best builders and projects. And so they have funding specifically to attract projects to help them build in their ecosystem. That's the only trade off, right? So that's another thing. The Starbucks deal, I believe they gave 7 million or 22 million to Starbucks. That was Polygon, right? So for that partnership, they were paying such a big corporation to include a what through component into their app, right? Just like that's the mindset that you want to be thinking about. And their end goal was all these users that Starbucks has because of their, the app usage and stuff, right? So that's one example, but a lot of the newer ecosystems, they've all got funding specifically to grow their ecosystem. And that's what I'm saying, connect with ecosystem folks, because it will really help you figure out how you can get and enjoy their community and their ecosystem. I think that's maybe a perfect spot to land on is this idea of, yeah, done is better than perfect.