I just like to let everyone know that we're gonna be waiting until our last member of the council arrives. The council is comprised of 10 alder persons and we need seven of them at a meeting to conduct a meeting and have a quorum. So we'll be taking a brief recess until Maryland Donahue arrives. I'd like to call to order the 13th regular meeting of the 2018-2019 Common Council. Would the clerk please read the quote for the day. Thank you very much. Would the clerk please call the roll. There are seven present. We have three alder persons that are excused, alder persons Savaglio, alder person Trester and alder person Born. Next, I'd like to take a moment of silence for two coworkers who passed away this last week. The city is deeply saddened over the sudden death and unexpected loss of two of our coworkers. Kerry Griesmeyer passed away unexpectedly on Thursday the 27th. Kerry joined the Shoreline Metro team in March of 2012 as a metro connection paratransit driver. His time with Shoreline Metro, Kerry touched many lives with his caring and thoughtful attitude, outgoing personality and charisma. He was a model employee who loved his job working at Shoreline Metro. He wasn't afraid to let everyone know how much he enjoyed being a bus driver and was known for his willingness to help customers with their transportation needs prior to his employment with Metro connection. Kerry operated a construction company and for many years was awarded contracts for Sheboygan sidewalk replacement program. He had a smile that could light up a room. Kerry was well respected and loved by his fellow employees and we'd miss by all at Shoreline Metro. Larry Hibbelink, 70 of Sheboygan. He passed away unexpectedly again on the 27th. In 1998, Larry started working for the city of Sheboygan and eventually became their lead building and plumbing inspector and where he remained until retiring in 2010 after 22 years of employment with the city of Sheboygan building inspection department. Larry was best known for his great sense of humor and the ability to make everyone around him laugh. There wasn't a mechanical problem he couldn't fix and he was always quick to help anyone in need. Please stand and join me in a moment of silence for these two individuals. I'd also like to mention that other person, Scott Lewandowski suffered a stroke and he's currently at atrium post-acute care unit in Plymouth so if anyone would like to reach out to him, that's where you can reach him. Next we'll go on to the approval of the minutes from our last council meeting. A Pledge of Allegiance, please. Oh, I'm sorry. Please stand and join for the Pledge of Allegiance. We have some guests here from Sharon Abel's LTC class and I'd like to have several of them to come forward and lead us in the Pledge of Allegiance. Please face the flag here and begin the pledge. This is to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. Thank you very much for coming this evening and I hope you enjoy the meeting. Thank you. Next we'll move on to a presentation on the Dimension Care Crisis Task Force of Sheboygan County. They've put together a report and Mary Pitch, the founder of Embrace Care Management, is here to present a brief program on that report. Mayor. Mayor, please come forward. 1.3. We will return to the approval of the minutes shortly. Please proceed, Mary. First of all, thank you so much for having us here today. My name is Mary Pitch. I am a longtime resident of Sheboygan County and I'm excited to be able to tell you about our task force. This is a lot of information to get through in a short amount of time, so I'm gonna try to buzz through it and we'll leave a little time for questions if you have it. As you think about a dementia crisis, don't need to answer this out loud, but just in your own minds, what does the term dementia mean to you? What does Alzheimer's mean to you? Do you have a family member who's dealing with it? Maybe when you go out into the community, you're seeing residents living here that are dealing with it. What really is dementia crisis when you think about it? This problem is not going away anytime soon. Nationally, the dementia population is growing drastically as it is in the state of Wisconsin, as it is in our own county here. So this task force was really trying to get ahead of the game here and be ready for this continuation of the issue that's coming. In our community, they live right in their own homes. People with dementia live in facilities. You probably, like I said, run into them at the grocery store. So again, this is a community issue that the task force is addressing. So this really started as a grassroots effort. We are not part of any kind of government agency though we have some government agencies represented. This was really a grassroots effort of a group of us that got together and us that got together. The care in Sheboygan County related to crisis care really is maybe not where it needs to be and what can we do to improve that? What we found out very quickly is that there was no systematic approach to how we respond to dementia crisis and our task force really wanted to work on changing that. There were concerns in facilities. There were concerns through the comm center and how they were being dealt with when a 911 call was being made. There was concerns over how resources were being allocated both in terms of law enforcement and in terms of fire. There was hospital concerns as to when these residents were ending up in the ER. Did they meet protocol to be able to be admitted into the hospital? So it really was a county wide issue that every player here had some kind of issue and some kind of concern. That's why the task force started. So like I said, we're a very grassroots effort but we are formal enough that we decided we really did need to have a mission statement and a vision statement. We also have goals that we've created. I'm not gonna read these all through to you but basically our goal was to improve the quality of care for those dealing in our county who have crisis when they have dementia. So really what does dementia crisis mean? That was the very first thing that our task force needed to come up with. What really did that mean? Because we weren't just talking about in general dementia care. We were talking very specifically about crisis and basically what it boils down to is when somebody is dealing with dementia which basically dementia means that they're having behavioral or excuse me, they're having cognitive issues. So memory issues, sometimes personality changes. When somebody who's dealing with dementia ends up in crisis it's usually related to behaviors and those behaviors end up becoming very aggressive. And a lot of times what people in the industry know is that there's a lot of approaches that can be used to prevent that from happening and also then to de-escalate the behaviors. But basically crisis behavior then means again when these behaviors start becoming really kind of out of control. And what was happening in facilities is they were calling 911 and expecting oftentimes for them to be taken out of their facility and it kind of became someone else's issue. So we again needed to really look at all of these steps that were involved. So what we did as a task force and I'm gonna quickly here introduce our group that we've got here to some of our task force members to have an idea of who we have on the team. It'll make more sense as I talk through the process. I don't know if you guys want to stand or just want to raise your hand. We have representatives here from Dawn from Sunny Ridge, Michelle from Pinehaven, Lisa from Aurora, Chuck from Sheboygan EMS and Fire, and Christy from Sheriff's Department Comm Center. In addition, we have Ginny from the Alzheimer's Association and Jim from the, I'm sorry, those people are not here, but I'm just telling you the other ones that we have on our task force as they're all looking, sorry. We have Jim from the Sheboygan Police Department and we have another Sunny Ridge representative, Ginny from the Alzheimer's Association. So we have a really good representation of a lot of different agencies that are coming together as part of this task force. It has been really remarkable how much and how quickly our group has really reached many of our goals already. The task force has really only been meeting since February. It's kind of remarkable, and I think back to that, how much we've really gotten done. It's kind of a joke in our group that we thought when we started, we were only gonna meet once a month and we probably meet at least once a week. And we thought that our to-do list was relatively short and every time we go to a meeting, we have 10 more things that we've added to our list. The very first thing we did was we created a whole process that went through every step of this whole dementia crisis from preventing the crisis to de-escalation of the crisis, the behaviors continue, the dispatch center and how that was happening, the emergency response, the emergency department, a short-term stabilization option, and then ongoing review. So just to touch a base on all of these just a bit, we have put in a lot of our resources into this prevention of the behaviors. We have right now focused on facilities in our community and we are talking about all of Sheboygan County and really working with all of the facilities to work on getting their staff trained, specifically related to crisis behaviors. If we can prevent the behaviors from happening, we won't have to go on through the rest of the process. Next I'm gonna move into the comm center. This has been a really interesting part of the whole process. We noticed very early on that there was no county-wide really system on how these calls were handled. And it became quite a problem and depending upon who answered the 911 call, different resources were being sent to different places throughout the county. It was a little confusing. Christie from the comm center has been wonderful in helping us be that conduit between the task force and their department. So we have worked very hard with the comm center to make sure that when a call comes in that is dementia specific and all the facilities are now being trained that they need to use the word dementia, it is now shifting the resources from being a law enforcement issue instead to being a medical issue. So we are really working to make sure that there is a paradigm shift in our county that we are treating these not as a law enforcement issue. These people with dementia do not have intent. They are not causing a disruption on purpose. It's a medical issue. Just to give you some basis, this is pretty new. This is pretty new in Wisconsin. There are not a lot of other counties who are doing this, if any at this point, to be honest. So that county wide dispatch change that we have made as part of the task force will be taking effect December 1st. It has been a lot of work to work through that but really will have a huge impact. So now when 911 is called in a facility instead of law enforcement being the first line of resources, EMS will be the first line of resources. Really big paradigm shift and we're really excited to see that, that the people are gonna get the correct care. We then have been working with the EMS both the city through Chuck and through Dan from, that's the other person I forgot to mention, sorry, Dan from Orange Cross is also on our task force, that all of the EMS is being trained to work right in the facilities or in homes and try to de-escalate the behavior in their home rather than having to have them leave and go to an ER. Because that's traumatic for someone with dementia. So that also has been a really big shift. We're doing a lot of training for the EMS and for law enforcement and it's been really encouraging to see the positive responses we've been getting going out to the different departments throughout the county. We then have been working with the emergency department to streamline that whole scenario in the emergency room so that the person with dementia gets through that faster and with as least amount of testing and difficulty as they can. We also have quite an issue in our county that we don't have a place for these people to go if they're not able to go back to their home whether that be a facility or their own home. Right now, if somebody is still quite a challenging person with their behaviors, they're actually being sent outside of our county which in our opinion is kind of sad. That's difficult for a family member and for the person with dementia to be sent to a facility outside of the county. So we are working on a short term stabilization facility in Sheboygan County so that we can get the behavior stabilized before then they're able to go back to their home environment. We know that this is a lot of change and we know that our task force is very much dedicated to making sure that these changes are going well. The plan is not just to throw it out there to everybody and say good luck. The plan is really to then have a systematic approach to review. So we're working with EMS police and with the dispatch to be able to flag these calls when they come in and then follow them in a review process all the way through the system to ensure that our new protocols are actually working. Where is it working well? Where do we need some more improvements? So that will be part of the ongoing review process. So working up to date what we have done. I kind of mentioned all of these. We did have a community conversation a couple weeks ago where we invited all of the facilities to attend. We had over 50 people in attendance which was really great. We already are seeing improvements just the fact that we have this interdisciplinary team coming together. A lot of us did not know each other and now we all know each other as a contact and that's already worked very well to solve a couple of difficult situations that have come up in the recent months. Again, we are doing very specific training to all the different departments and we as a task force are creating the training. So you can imagine that we are all gonna get A's in PowerPoints because we're making quite a few of them. But we're doing specific training for EMS, specific training for law enforcement, specific training for the direct care staff. Again, training and training and training, that's how we're gonna prevent this from continuing to be an issue. So the next steps, all of our training is really gonna start mostly next week actually. We have a training set up for all the direct staff. It's a free training. As of now we have over a hundred people signed up for that training. So that's exciting. On the stabilization process, that short term facility that we were looking at, that will be one of our next steps, the flagging and reviewing, and then the program sustainability. How is this working? How can we improve it? And then the other, our vision actually, early on I shared with you that we had our vision. Our vision actually is that we are planning on taking this out to other communities throughout the state. We had meetings today with some of the facilities who weren't able to be at our meeting a couple weeks ago and met with three facilities today. And they were so excited about what we're doing. And one facility in particular has already said, we need you to get out to other communities. So we're excited that Sheboygan County can be highlighted as a county that does well in dealing with crisis and dementia. So that is the vision to carry that on throughout the counties and throughout the state. Mary, thank you so much for enlightening us on the work that you're doing and my kudos to the crisis task force. Thank you very much. Thank you. Okay, now we'll go back to approval of minutes from our last council meeting, all the person will. Thank you, mayor. Make a motion to approve. Thank you for that motion and support. Is there any discussion on the motion? Seeing none, all those in favor, please signify by saying aye. Aye. Opposed? Motion passes. Next is public forum, city clerk. There is no one this evening. Thank you. Next is mayor's appointments, city attorney. There you go. 1.6 is appointments by the mayor, appointing Brian Mahorich to the King Park neighborhood as the King Park neighborhood primary for the mayor's neighborhood leadership cabinet. Andrea Mace is the King Park neighborhood alternate. Jean Grady is the Vallrath Park North Point neighborhood primary and Beth Kunard is the Vallrath Park North Point neighborhood alternate. Those will lie over. Next move on to confirmation of mayor's appointments, city clerk, city attorney. There are two, both to the mayor's neighborhood leadership cabinet, Paul Opericio for the historic grant neighborhood as the primary and CJ Grace for the historic grant neighborhood as the alternate. Thank you. All the person will. Thank you, mayor. I make a motion to confirm. Thank you for that motion and support. Is there any discussion? No, seeing the clerk call the roll. Seven ayes. Motion passes. Next we'll go on to mayor's announcements. I'd like to call up Roberta Paneski at this time and Mary Schellhorn. We have a proclamation. Whereas the Sheboygan Symphony Orchestra is celebrating their 100th anniversary during 2018-2019 season and the Sheboygan Symphony Orchestra is the longest continually operating orchestra in state history. And the Sheboygan Symphony Orchestra currently calls the Stephanie H. Wiles Center for the Performing Arts its home. And whereas the Sheboygan Symphony Orchestra is one of the three orchestras in the state to have its own chorus, which is celebrating its 25th year anniversary this season. And whereas the Sheboygan Symphony Orchestra has provided opportunities for young musicians to perform in youth ensembles for more than three decades. And whereas the Sheboygan Symphony Orchestra annually performs a Spring Children's Concert that has reached more than 40,500 local elementary students over the past 25 years. And whereas the Sheboygan Symphony Orchestra is a cultural gem in an important nonprofit organization that contributes to the high quality of life in Sheboygan County. Now, therefore, I'm Mike van der Steen, mayor of the city of Sheboygan, to hear by wish to recognize and extend my personal thanks and appreciation to the Sheboygan Symphony Orchestra on the occasion of their 100th anniversary, and urge all of our residents to take the opportunity to enjoy the experience, beauty, and majesty of symphonic music. I'm happy to present this to you and thank you again for all your work. It's a great task that you've achieved in having this organization be a cultural part of our community for 100 years. Would you like to say a few words, Roberta? Thank you very much. And if you think about 100 years, that's through both World Wars. It's through Afghanistan. It's through a whole lot of stuff, and we kept it going. Now, our challenge is to keep it going for the next century. And here's our new season. It's quite wonderful. Our opening concert is this Saturday, and we encourage you to come and attend. And your attendance thanks our musicians, our chorus members. We'd also like to thank our individual donors and our business donors. That's what keeps us going. So thank you very much. Thank you, Mr. Mayor. We appreciate it. Just smile. Bunny ears for you. And next, I'd like to ask Laura Reynitz to come forward. A proclamation, whereas established in September of 1990 as a domestic abuse program, Safe Harbor of Sheboygan provides prevention, intervention, education and outreach services to empower individuals, families and the community to end domestic violence, abuse and sexual assault. Safe Harbor's mission is to create safe and respectful community that is free of interpersonal violence. And whereas the staff of Safe Harbor have supported over 757 victims and their families, answered 4,900 calls to those needing service and provided 6,558 nights of shelter to over 190 clients. And whereas the US, in the US, nearly 20 people per minute are victims of domestic violence by a domestic partner which equates to 10 million women and men per year. And whereas one in five women and one in seven men have experienced severe physical violence by an intimate partner in his or her lifetime, intimate partner violence accounts for 15% of all violent crime. And whereas this month we recognize the survivors and victims of abuse whose courage inspires us all. We recommit to offering a helping hand to those who need it most and remind them that they are not alone. Now, therefore, I, Mike Vandersteen by virtue the authority vested in me as mayor of the city of Sheboygan do hereby proclaim 2018 is domestic violence awareness month and encourage all citizens to join me in recognizing the work of Safe Harbor and take a stand against domestic violence in our community. I'm very happy to present this to Laura and thank her for all the work that her organization does. Laura, thank you. I'm glad to see you, Laura. Thank you so much. As October is domestic violence awareness month, I wanted to bring the hardworking staff that we have. This is just a few of our staff who do this work on the front lines every day. And this is our Southeast Asian specialist. Mary Kay is our therapist. Kayla is our youth specialist. Deb is our associate director. Chrissy is our community outreach specialist.  And that, again, is just a little under half of our staff. But we really appreciate you taking the time to recognize the work that these guys do every day in supporting the community, in trying to make sure it's a place to live for everyone. Excuse me. And all that we ever ask is that if you or someone you know who's suffering from the effects of domestic violence or sexual assault, that you refer them to us. We were lucky enough to have the mayor come in and I think for the first time have a chair. So I'd like to extend that to anyone here. Reach out and talk to me if you'd like a tour to know a little bit more about what we do. Just give us a call. We'd be happy to fill you in. We know that domestic violence knows no socioeconomic educational bounds. And so I think if you look around this room or any room you're in, you'll know that a victim is there. So just ask that you be an advocate as we are every day. And I thank you for this honor. Our October city newsletter, the Sheboygan Insider was posted today. And if one would like to get a copy of that, it's available on our website. Just look for a banner ad and click on that and you'll be able to view the entire document. But just a few highlights. Today was Park Shelter Reservation Kickoff Day for 2019. And I believe we had over 100 people waiting in line at seven o'clock this morning to reserve dates for this coming year. Just want to make you aware that Sheboygan is conducting a livable community survey. And there's an article on that and a link that you can go to take that survey to help us become a more livable community. And our curbside leaf collection will begin in the middle of the month on October 15th and continue till mid-November. And then also our clerk wants to remind us that voters may come into the clerk's office to either register or vote absentee until Friday, November 2nd. So they'll be in the old Social Security Office across from City Hall on 9th Street to accept anybody who'd like to vote early. Thank you. Okay, next we'll go on to hearings. Item 2.1 is hearing number four of 1819, pursuant to a notice published and the personal notices sent by the city clerk. There's a hearing scheduled for this evening to amend the city of Sheboygan's future land use map of the city's comprehensive plan in order to change the land use classification of a property located at 1436 South 15th Street from class employment to class multifamily residential classification. Is there anyone who wishes to be heard? Is there anyone who wishes to be heard? Is there anyone who wishes to be heard? All the person will. Thank you, Mayor. I make a motion to close the hearing. Thank you for that motion and support. Is there any discussion? Seeing none, all those in favor? Let's see, we have to take a roll call vote. So please enter your votes into the system. Seven ayes. Motion passes. Next is hearing number five of 2019, pursuant to a notice published and the personal notices sent by the city clerk. There is a hearing scheduled for this evening to amend the city of Sheboygan's official zoning map to change the use district classification of a property located at 1436 South 15th Street from class urban industrial to class urban residential. Is there anyone wishing to be heard? Is there anyone wishing to be heard? Chad Pellecek. Just in full disclosure, for those wondering where 1436 North 15th Street is, this would be the Vandervark property and there's a developer from St. Louis that's interested in developing that into a multifamily housing development as we move forward. So this is the first step in that process. Thank you for that information. And one last call. Is there anyone wishing to be heard? Yes, sir. Please come forward to the podium. My name is David Adamovich. I am the owner of the property on Broadway, I was 16, 14, we have a machine shop located across the road from Cable Vision. And I'm just wondering how this zoning, right now we're zoned urban industrial. I'd like to know exactly how this is going to affect my machine shop now and in the future. Chad, can you give any light to that one? Your property will continue to be zoned urban industrial and will have no effect on operations at that location. This property is separate from your property, so there should be no concerns with your property moving forward. Case closed, it sounds good to me. Thank you very much for coming up to speak, sir. And thank you. Thank you. Is there anyone else who wishes to be heard? All the person, Wolf. Thank you, Mayor. I make a motion to close the hearing. We have a motion and a second to close the hearing. Would the clerk please call the roll? Seven ayes. Motion passes. Under the consent agenda, items three, include items two through items 3.5. All the person, Wolf. Thank you, Mayor. I make a motion to accept and file all ROs, accept and adopt all RCs and pass all resolutions and ordinances. Seven. Thank you for that motion and support. Is there any discussion on any of the items on the consent agenda? Seeing none, will the clerk please call the roll for passage? Seven ayes. Motion passes. Under reports of officers, items 4.1 and 4.2 will lay over. Items 4.3 through 4.12 will be referred to various committees. Under resolutions, items 5.1 through 5.3 will again be referred to various committees. Under reports of committees, 6.1 is RC number 144 of 1819 by the Public Works Committee. Tumas referred resolution number 95 of 1819 by Alderperson, Wolf, authorizing the purchasing agent to enter into a contract for the purchase and installation of new baseball park lighting for the Wildwood-Chaboy-Geneys, Mary A. Testweed-Kanolf Baseball Park complex and on a cost share basis with the Chaboy-Geneys baseball organization and recommends approving the substitute resolution. Alderperson, Wolf. Thank you, Mayor, I make a motion. I move to accept and adopt RC number 144-1819 as presented and to approve substitute resolution number 951819 with two additional changes, first change. The portion of the 14th where as clause, which refers to a loan from the city of Chaboy-Geneys to the athletic club shall be revised to state. Payment to the city on 19 payments of $1,333 and $55 on a monthly basis beginning on November 2018 and ending in May 2020 and one payment of $27,467 and $99 in June 2020, which represents the payment of $51,500 and $0 in principle plus interest at the rate of 2% per annum and the agreement with the Chaboy-Geneys Athletics Club shall be revised to give effect to this change. Second, the completion date in the contract with Altmire Electric Inc, which is attached to the resolution shall be revised to January 15th, 2019. Thank you for that motion in support. That motion is before us right now. Is there any questions or discussion? Seeing none, will the clerk please call the roll. Seven ayes. Motion passes. Item 6.2 is RC number 145 of 1819 by the Finance and Personnel Committee to whom was referred resolution number 98 of 1819 by Alderperson, Rineflash and Bourne providing the sale of approximately $5,100,000 in general obligation refunding bonds in approximately 3,650,000 in general obligation refunding bonds and recommends approving the resolution. Alderperson, Rineflash. I move to accept and adopt to pass the resolution. Second. Thank you for that motion in support. Is there any discussion on the motion? Marty, would you please go ahead? There you go.  The change in that packet that you received increases the plan borrowing from 3.65 million up to 3.8 million, which is actually a result of capitalizing a second year of interest. So 2019 and 2020, so approximately $150,000. And that was done in order to be a bit more accurate or maybe even a little bit more conservative in our approach on some of the construction estimates that would be connected to TID 18 as of 1.1.2019 for the increment. Tonight's resolution is just a set sale or a heads up resolution. So it isn't statutorily authorizing the amount or the estimate of the borrowing that is being planned. For actuality, the borrowing that could actually come about will be either more or less than 3.8 million, most likely. The impacts there could be a result of premium, which would reduce the borrowing or even interest fluctuations. As a result, or I should say in connection to that in the packet, there is some revised interest calculations that Carol Worth, our consultant from Wisconsin Public Finance Professionals, provided us from when the information was prepared for the Finance Committee meeting versus now. There was a slight uptick in the interest rates in a sense the true interest cost or TIC. The original was 3.845% and now is 3.975%. But as we get closer to the actual sale of these bonds, those amounts could change as well. So really it's more a matter of this is just a heads up for the council that there is planned borrowing. There is no change to the 5.1 million dollar of tax exempt city hall. This is only an estimate increase on the taxable TID-18 borrowing. Thank you very much for that information. Any other discussion? Alderperson Donahue. Mayor, I think it might be helpful and if Marty can do it, just to explain to all of us what capitalized interest means. Marty, please go ahead. So the capitalized interest when we put these borrowings out, capitalized interest is you are borrowing the amount to pay for that interest. So it becomes part of the principal, part of the debt payments going forward. So really what you're doing is you're increasing your borrowing to cover those interest payments. The reason that was done on this one was because there also is the 10.5 million dollar NAM that is out there that has a $380,000 interest payment. And now we'll be capitalizing two additional years on these borrowings as well. And that's all going right back to the January one TID increment that we need to have developed to be able to cover those costs. Thank you. Any other discussion? Seeing none, will the clerk please call the roll? Seven ayes. Motion passes. Item 6.3 is RC number 146 of 1819 by the Finance and Personnel Committee. To whom was referred resolution number 99 of 1819 by Alderperson Rindflash and borne authorizing the transfer of appropriations in the 2018 budget, canine fire department, sale of metal and recommends approving the resolution. Alderperson Wolfe. Make a motion to accept and adopt and pass the resolution. I'll second. Thank you. Thank you for that motion and support. Is there any discussion on the motion? Seeing none, will the clerk please call the roll? Seven ayes. Motion passes. Item 6.4 is RC number 147 of 1819 by the Finance and Personnel Committee. To whom was referred resolution number 100 of 1819 by Alderperson Rindflash and borne authorizing the transfer of appropriations in the 2018 budget for the AARP grant and recommends approving the resolution. Alderperson Rindflash. Second. Thank you for that motion and support. Is there any discussion? Seeing none, will the clerk please call the roll? Seven ayes. Motion passes. Item 6.5 is RC number 148 of 1819 by the Finance and Personnel Committee. To whom is referred RC number 86 of 1819 and RC number 1, excuse me, 291 of 1718 by the Finance and Personnel Committee and RO number 272 of 1718 by the city clerk submitting a claim from Wipfully CPAs and consultants regarding the creation and preservation partners Inc. for recover of alleged unlawful taxes for real estate property taxes in the year of 2017 and recommends filing a document. Alderperson Rindflash. I move the exception. Second. Thank you for that motion and support. Is there any discussion on the motion? Seeing none, will the clerk please call the roll? Seven ayes. Motion passes. Under general ordinances, item 7.1 and 7.2 will be referred to various committees. Under matters laid over, 8.1 is RO number 117 of 1819 by the City Planning Commission. To whom was referred, general ordinance number 15 of 1819 by Alderperson Sorensen, amending the City of Sheboygan's future land use map of the Sheboygan Comprehensive Plan to change the land use classification of property located at 1436 South 15th Street, parcel number<PHONE_NUMBER>1 from class employment to class multifamily residential and recommends the substitute ordinance. Alderperson Wolfe. Thank you, may I make a motion to accept and file and pass the substitute ordinance? Second. Thank you for that motion and support. Is there any discussion on the motion? Seeing none, will the clerk please call the roll? Seven ayes. Motion passes. Next is general ordinance number 115 of 1819 by the City Planning Commission. To whom was referred, RO number 108 of 1819 by the City Clerk, general ordinance 16 of 1819 by Alderperson Sorensen, amending the City of Sheboygan's official zoning map for parcel<PHONE_NUMBER>1 from class urban industrial to class urban residential and recommends to accept and file the RO and approve the substitute ordinance. Alderperson Wolfe. Thank you, may I make a motion to accept and file and pass substitute ordinance? Thank you for that motion and support. Is there any discussion on the motion? City planner Pellecek. I just wanna mention that this has a caveat in this ordinance that if they aren't able to purchase the land by December 31st of 2019, this property will revert back to urban industrial. This was put in there as a proceed forward with getting some financing from WEDA to fund some of this development. And if should that not occur, then it will go back to the original zoning, which is urban industrial. Thank you for that information. Any other discussion? Seeing none, will the clerk please call the roll? Seven ayes. Motion passes. Under other matters received after the agenda was published, City Attorney. 9.1 is a resolution by all the persons Donahue and Sorensen authorizing the appropriate city officials to execute the evidence.com prosecutor services agreement buying between Axon Enterprise, Inc. and the city of Sheboygan with regard to the use of Axon Enterprise, Inc. products and services. 9.2 is an arrow by the city clerk submitting various license applications for the period ending December 31, 2018, June 30, 2019 and June 30, 2020. Both those documents we've referred to the licensing hearings and public safety committee. Next is 9.3, a motion to reconsider resolution number 93 of 1819, Alderperson, Ryan Flesh. Second. I'd like to ask the city attorney to please explain a little bit about this motion. The resolution was passed at the last meeting. A motion to reconsider under Robert's rules can be made at the next meeting and so that's what's happened. Okay, and then we'll be calling to roll on this motion. Is there any other discussion first? Alderperson, Ryan Flesh. The council were at the last meeting and he feels a very different vote on this issue.  If we vote to reconsider tonight at 9.3, I'll be asking us to put it on hold until we have a more full council. Alderperson, Donahue. I'm going against this motion to be considered. I think we had a full and robust discussion last time with nine out of 10 present. It was eight out of 10. Eight out of 10. Oh, I'm sorry. This is a matter that has, this garbage fee has been discussed for a long time. It has been present as a fee in the city for a number of years. It has this two year, it has had this two year sunset provision and while I can understand that happening at an initial, the first time or the second time, as we explored whether or not this fee was a good idea or whether we should continue it, whether it was an economic burden, whether the city really needed the money, what the state legislature was going to do with respective fees that were imposed by municipalities because of their restriction on levy limits. Enough is enough. This has become a part of our standard budgeting process. Nothing has changed. We had, as I say, from my perspective, a robust discussion of this and I just don't see the reason that we need to do this again. Sometimes we win resolutions and sometimes we lose, but I would suggest that at all times we should just move on and so I would urge my fellow Alders to vote no on the resolution to reconsider. Thank you for those comments. Alderperson Sorenson. I was gonna say similar comments that Alderperson Donahue said. I believe that we've discussed this already. I believe also it wouldn't be doing justice to the council making a reconsidering motion after we have less people than we did last time. And I also really believe that the city essentially needs these funds for budgeting projections so I trust all our city staff from DPW to finance up to the city administrator to make the right decisions too. And I think the appropriate time if we ever did wanna reconsider this ever was an issue we can always discuss during the budget season. And I also think it's a little goofy also that we're considering reviewing just the garbage fee. If you wanna reconsider and bring up a discussion every single year about every single particular fee, I think that just gets a little obnoxious in my opinion. So I'll be voting against this. Thank you. Any other discussion? City attorney, what vote is needed for passage or denial? A majority. It's just you and but that's just for reconsideration that just puts it on. I understand that this is just for the reconsideration. Will the clerk please call the roll? Three ayes, four noes. Motions defeated. Okay, then we can go on to item 9.4. No. It didn't pass, so you don't need to do that. Okay, then we'll go on to a closed session that's contemplated, all the person will. Thank you, mayor. I make a motion to convene in closed session under the exemption provided in section 19.85 sub one, sub E. Wisconsin stats where competitive and bargaining reasons require a closed session regarding possible purchase of public property owned by the Union Pacific Railroad. Thank you for the motion and support. All those in favor, please call the roll. Seven ayes. Motion passes. We'll take a brief recess to clear the chambers and for our viewers at home, we'll be adjourning in closed session. So we won't, this will end our transmission for this evening. Come on. No, we're going to be coming back to, committee at a whole. We will be coming back. Yeah. Okay, so our council meeting will be finished, but we will be coming back to reconvene a committee of the whole meeting later. And that will be done after the closed session is held. We stand adjourned for about five minutes.


Oh my goodness, the housing market here seems like it's at a complete standstill. We've got housing market update from Redfin talking about 2023 on pace for the fewest home sales since 2008 as mortgage rates hit 8%. That's right. We're on track to hit 4 million transactions this year, which is what we did in 2008, which was the lowest year of the 2000s so far. So we're on track to be right at the lowest year, tying with the lowest year number of transactions in the country, although prices are still near all-time highs. But rent seems to be coming down. The rental market down slide, five straight months of falling rents, and a new report finds that it's now even cheaper to rent than to buy a home in nearly every major market. If you see this chart here from Redfin, it shows price drops for listings. These are percentage of active listings with price drops in all Redfin metro areas. You see the spike that's happening right now that is much sharper of a spike than in the previous two years. Later on, we're going to talk about this couple making over 100,000 a year who's just giving up on buying a house because of the crazy LA housing market. And they basically say it's impossible if you're not rich. And my question is, what is the definition of rich? But first, home listing skyrockets. Home listing skyrocket, but there's a catch. So let's dive into this. Home buyers are flocking, literally canceling contracts as listings see the biggest rise in months. But why are some buyers still backing out last minute? All right, so let's dive into this. In a promising development for hopeful homeowners, new listings surged by 1.4%. It's funny we use the word surged when we're talking about 1.4%. This happened in September, making it the most significant monthly growth since February 2022, about a year and a half ago or more. This revealed in a Redfin report, however, it's not all sunshine and rainbows. New listings remain 8.9% below last year's figure, primarily due to soaring mortgage rates. So you see, people still continue to not put their properties on the market. They haven't become acclimated, gotten used to the higher mortgage rates. A lot of Americans are sitting on piles of money in their homes, meaning the equity that their home has built since they've bought the home back in 1819. And some are opting to cash out, meaning that they're opting to sell the home, even if it means giving up their low mortgage rate. And as I said, we're going to see this more and more and more. We're going to see homeowners getting used to this. They're seeing all the equity in their home. They're like, you know what? We can go do something different. We can take this cash and do something different. But why? Well, it says here, they're worried there's a possibility home prices will fall if rates remain elevated. We expect rates to remain high for the foreseeable future. And this is coming from the Redfin chief economist. But we also expect prices to stay high into next year. So Redfin expects at this point for rates to remain high, but they also expect prices to stay high. Housing supply is so strained that even a small uptick in listings lures buyers off the sidelines, bolstering sales. Despite this, a spike in mortgage rates has led to a 1.5% drop in closed sales. Again, not a big number from last month signaling caution among buyers. Roughly 53,000 purchase agreements were canceled last September. Now, it's a big number, but if you don't pay attention to how many contracts are canceled every month, then it seems crazy. But it's not. It's a little bit higher than normal, but nothing, no spike really. This is equal to 16.3% of the homes that went under contract that month. The highest percentage since October 2022. So it's a little ironic that it happened basically the same time last year. We're in October now. This data is from September. Last year, rates hit 7%, which was the peak for the year last year. Same thing we're experiencing now. It's hitting 8, and this is the peak of the year, and we're seeing this data. This is very seasonal, guys. When mortgage rates surpassed 7% for the first time in two decades. And so the month before September, we saw a 15.2% cancellation rate. The month earlier was 15.8%. So it only went from 15.2%, 15.8%, to 16.3%. So less than a 1% increase month over month. Buyers are cautious right now. They want to make sure they're getting a good deal given how much mortgage payments have gone up. When they don't feel like they're getting a good deal, they're backing out, and I don't blame them. If you don't feel like you're getting a good deal, you need to walk because that could be something that you highly regret later. This agent talking was a Redfin Premier agent in Jacksonville, Florida, which saw the second highest rate of deal cancellations among the major Redfin Metro analyzed areas. Transactions are also falling apart due to skyrocketing insurance premiums and disagreements between the buyer and sellers over necessary repairs. I've seen that a time or two. Overall, buyers hold a lot of the cards right now, and sellers are having to give out more concessions to close the deal. And this is something you need to pay attention to if you are a buyer because you do hold a lot of the cards right now. If you can't afford a home, if you can't afford a home, then you've got to restructure your entire financial plan because we are in this new world. This is completely different. We have reset the housing market. There's a new floor, and you need to play by the new rules of the game if you want to go out and own a home. If you can afford a home, you need to realize that you do hold the cards right now, and you can get sellers to give concessions. So it's about negotiating a great deal right now. Get the seller to pay for some buy downs on the mortgage. You know, price, everything else. Make sure you feel like you're getting a great deal that you can live with. If not, don't do the deal. And that's what we're seeing with a lot of these people that are backing out. They're just saying, you know what? I don't feel like this is a good deal. So I'm going to walk away from this. The limited housing supply continues to propel prices with the median U.S. home sale hitting $412,000 in September. Home buyer competition is evident with 37.4% of homes getting contracted within two weeks. So because of the low inventory, we're still seeing a lot of activity on the listings that are there. Why? Well, because there's always, ladies and gentlemen, people that need to buy and sell and investors. You still got about a third of the deals happening that are cash deals. All right. So these people aren't getting mortgages. There's still business happening. There are still deals happening because inventory is so tight. The tight, the ones that are on the market are still getting really good activity. And that's why we're seeing prices continue to go up. Metropolitan data from September, 2023 and covers significant fluctuations while pending sales plummeted in Honolulu, Birmingham, Colorado Springs. They witnessed an upward trend in Northport, Detroit and Tampa. Closed home sales declined the most in Oxford and Fresno, but surged in Northport, Cape Coral, Tampa. Prices rose in Rochester, Anaheim and Buffalo, but dipped in Austin, Northport and San Francisco. Let's look at this chart here. Let's look at the price drops because I found this very interesting. You know, just looking at it compared to years before, we've got, you know, a significant spike here in price drops. It went from, let's see, at the peak here, we were about 1%. We're about 1% year over year below last year's price drops. And now we've actually spiked up over last year's price drop, about the same 0.2%. But when you look at it visually, you can see that it's going that direction. And this is direct evidence, guys, direct evidence of the mortgage rates that's happening right now. So you have to understand right now, we're in the middle of two down cycles at the same time. It's the 10 year down cycle, which we experience every decade or so. The last one was 2008. Now here we are again. We're going to hit 4 million transactions, exactly the same number as 2008. And we're in the fall, which every single fall we see listings rise, prices drop, days of the market go up, price drops come up. We see all this year after year after year.  That collapsing word seems to be a buzzword that I hear a lot with the YouTubers that are selling a course to try to get you to buy to prepare you for the housing collapse that they're telling you is going to happen. And look, there may be a housing collapse. I don't know that. All I can do is look at the data here and tell you it's never going to go to zero. The worst year transaction wise was 4 million transactions. That's where we are now. We've got to be at least somewhere close to the bottom. If we're going to hit, there was a group that's calling for 3.8 million transactions next year, lower than this year. Hey, if rates stay up, I don't see why that wouldn't happen. You know, I don't see why that wouldn't happen. Zillow has reframed their forecast. They were calling for, you know, 5% to 6% price increase over the next 12 months. And they've revised that was like June to June. They revised it from September to September. They're calling for 2% year over year growth. So they revised it from, you know, a full out just bull, full blown market housing bull to 2.2%. Year over year increase, September 2023 to September 2024. Now let's dive a little bit deeper into this data and just get a full update here where we are active listings. We're still well below where we were last year. Let's see, we're at 14, 15. So now, yeah, we're right there around that 14 to 15% lower. Now you see every year the active listings drop off. I think that has to do with people just taking their properties off the market, not necessarily a ton of sales happening. Because as you can see with the number of sales, let me pull that up, home sold. You can see we don't have like a surge of home sales every year, right? It seems like it kind of is on the downtrend this time of year. So, you know, when you look at active listings and you see this big curve here where it's just like really sharp curve, right? For the last two years. And let's add 2020 in the mix and see if it kind of does the same thing. Yeah, we see this curve. And this was the, you know, this was the shutdown, COVID and all that. But it also has this curve down. You know, when you look at that and you look at home sold, there's really, you kind of think, OK, what happened? Well, I believe that that is people taking their properties off the market as well as some being sold. This is interesting, new listings.  We got to where we were about 26, 27% lower year over year. And now, now we're just, you know, 3.9% lower than last year. So new listings have come on. And I think that that is something to talk about because where are these new listings coming from? Well, I believe it's owners who are becoming finally acclimated to the mortgage rates.  So like, you know, we're going to buy the bullet here. We're going to get a new home anyway where we're going to get a nice interest rate because the buyer, the builder is buying the rate down, you know, or maybe they got an owner off market who bought the rate down or maybe they bought the rate down. OK. Either way it goes. Here's something you need to be thinking about.  Next year, year after, whenever rates do come down, you can renegotiate your rate later. You can't renegotiate the purchase price once you close on that property.  Write this second and then renegotiate it later when rates are better. Get new construction. There's a lot of different things that you can do out there. So don't think that all is lost here if you can, in fact, afford it. If you can't afford it, like I say, you've got to restructure your financial plan, your financial goal, your personal finances, and restructure it to the new world that we're living in because this is a new world and we're not going back. Inflation isn't, you know, some people think that we might get into deflation where, you know, there is no inflation. It goes negative every year. And the dollar is worth more. Who knows? We may have some years like that. How far down would it go? And how long would that happen for? You know, in my opinion, not that long. Who knows? But at the end of the day, I can only work with what I have right now. I can only put a plan in place for what's going on right this second. And if I'm a buyer and, you know, I've been priced out of the market, I'm going to say, okay, I see the new rules of the game. I'm not going to sit around crying about it. I'm going to put together a plan right now based on what I see right now and where I could be if I put together the right plan. That's what I'm going to be thinking about. Now, new listings shooting up, home sold, you know, we're on track for the same trends. You see these trends that happen, these peaks and valleys? They're like exact every year. Look at this. They're exact and even right here, right? We see this jump up. Well, we've seen the jump up right that year. We've seen the jump up this year. So I expect sales to kind of slow down, maybe have another couple of spikes going into the next year. Sales price. Sales price always seems to be on the downtrend this time of year, just like it is every year. And nothing is different this year where we peaked out and we're kind of on the downtrend. We'll probably continue down. We're going to end up the year positive and we'll see how it all plays out going into next year. An election year, by the way. Let's see. Off the market in two weeks. Heck, we're right there. We're right there with 2021, the year of the boom. When you talk about off the market in two weeks, you know, going pending in two weeks, days on the market. Let's see where we are there. Looks like we're two days under last year where we were. And let's see. Right now, we are meeting days on the market 31 days. And last year was 2021, the year of the boom, 27 days on the market. We're not too far off. Let's see where 2020 was. 2020. I wish this thing went back a little further pre-pandemic so we could really see where we were. We were about 37 days on the market back in 2020. So we're about a week shy of that. Let's see. Months of supply. We're right on track where we were last year. Months of supply. That's how many homes are being sold and how many active listings we have and how many months of inventory we would have at this rate of sales. So, pending deals. Again, very seasonal. We're right there as far as the trends go right where we normally are every year. We're lower, but the peaks and valleys are about the same. So, listen, overall, I feel like we're in an amazing spot. Honestly, you may be thinking, how are you saving that, man? I can't even afford a house. The middle class is disappearing here. Yeah. I agree with that. This has been something that happened really fast. If you look at how fast it happened, it was a little bit telegraphed, but if you're caught, you can get caught off guard by market shifting like this if you're not in the game, in the industry investing in real estate, owning a home in the middle of buying a home, a real estate agent. You can get caught off guard and you've been planning for years and years and years to buy this home and all of a sudden the plan that you put together and followed for a decade or two is now null and void. You can't even use this to even think about buying a home and you have to restructure the whole thing. Now, isn't that how it goes? I mean, I can't change it. That's the thing. I can't change what's happening for you. God, I wish I could, but I cannot change it for you. All I can say is that I grew up making $300 a week roofing houses and I worked my way to where I could afford to buy homes and I know anyone out there could do the same thing. Oh, that was 20 years ago and things were different. Yeah, it was different and it was a lot harder. We didn't have the technology we have now where you could not do things as fast as you can do them now. You can be way more productive. There's way more opportunity for people to go out there and really crush it and build yourself up. So I'm just one of those that, hey, I look at something, I'm like, oh, this is harder than I thought it was going to be. It's like being a real estate agent. Oh, after a couple months you realize this is harder than I thought it was going to be. So am I going to give up? No, you're going to say, okay, this is harder than I thought it was going to be, but you know what? I'm going to keep going. I'm going to put together a different plan. I'm going to pursue this from a different angle and I'm going to keep pecking away at this until I succeed and I think you need to look at owning a home as an investment because you're up against investors, ladies and gentlemen, the big-time investors. They're looking at single-family homes and they're saying, they're looking at their chops. Like these are incredible assets that perform really well. So now we're in this whole different world of not only just home buyers and interest rates and all that, but you've got investors, small-time investors and big-time investors who are out there who want to own these assets as well as you and you're competing with them whether it's directly on a listing or not. You're competing with the price they paid on one down the road or whatever the case may be. So what do you have to do now? Think like an investor. What is the future value of this home? What is the future income that this asset could produce? And what does that look like from an investment standpoint? That's the new rules of the game. Nevertheless, I digress on that. Let's dive into this couple here, making over $100,000 a year. And they're giving up because of the crazy LA market. And I want to read some of the comments at the bottom here with you. When Emily Blake moved to Los Angeles from North Carolina, she lived in a two-bedroom apartment. She doesn't remember how much her rent was. All she knows is she could afford it on her school teacher salary. Now in her mid-40s, she and her husband are leaving paycheck to paycheck unable to move out of their rent control department and they can't even imagine owning a home in the city. Blake and her partner both worked in the film industry. She's a freelance script supervisor and he's an assistant to a visual effects agent. Together, they made slightly over $100,000 last year. They're lucky enough to have a great deal on a rent control department at Echo Park, a fashionable neighborhood in the eastern part of the sprawling mega city where her husband has been living for seven years. Since Blake moved a little over a year ago, they split the rent of $17.50 per month. So why do they feel trapped and hopeless of ever buying a house? We can't leave, she tells Fortune. We would never be able to find an apartment for this rate. It just doesn't exist, she said. They used to think about buying a home, but that was before the pandemic housing boom drove prices to an absurdly unaffordable level, including a mortgage rate shock that is still playing out. Blake and her husband would be well positioned since they make more than the median household income and pay well under the median rent. The median household income in the city is $69,778, $69,778 per the Census Bureau. While the median rent for all bedroom and property taxes in the city is $28.95. But just look at the average home value in Los Angeles of $923,000. Hypothetically, at a 7% rate on a 30-year fix, monthly payment on a $900,000 home would roughly be about, well, $5,000, you know, $47.90 before taxes and insurance. And then you got to add taxes and insurance on top of that. We would love a house. We really want a house so badly, but it's not possible. You have to make over $200,000 a year in order to buy a house now. Maybe if they left LA, they could do it, and the average home value nationally is in fact much lower at $348,000. But that would require leaving their industry behind and even that is looking shaky now. Blake and her husband haven't been on strike and the Hollywood actors and writers, but they may as well have been. Blake is a member of the International Alliance of Theatrical Stage Employees, but she hasn't worked in, she hasn't worked any industry gigs since the strike shutdown, production across the industry. She says she's very lucky to have found temporary jobs that pay the bills, like subtitling for a post-production house and editing a web series. Still, she'll likely make less this year than last year because there's hardly any work. Everyone knows, everybody I know in my union has been absolutely struggling to find work since about November. So we're already kind of hurting before the strike has started. So industry changes are hurting this couple.  And really they're down to like, okay, should we stay here or should we move somewhere and where we could maybe actually afford a house. And it kind of sounds like with the way your career's going she probably could kind of strategically pick out a place that they could move to and find a cheaper home and probably live a lot happier. It sounds like. If you ask me, anyway, let me know what you think in the comments about this story. I'm going to read a few of these comments before we call it a day here. This is baffling as someone who also lives in California. My wife and I make a combined income of more than twice what they do. If the film industry pays that poorly, maybe work somewhere else. My spouse waits tables at an Italian restaurant and we make it nearly near enough to six figures and I after one dozen years working my way through the industry make a comfortable six-figure income. Even more interesting is the fact that we don't even live in the city where up in the Sierra Sierra Nevada mountains in a town of about 2,000 people and make arguably less here than we make living back home in Tacoma or LA. These two need a reality check. If you choose a career, you can hardly call a tat making fast food level wages. Don't cry about being able to barely scrape by. That's kind of what I was saying. We live in this new world where there are opportunities everywhere. Don't just settle and once you find a great opportunity, you take advantage of it, you're making that money, always be looking for another opportunity but never quit your current opportunity till the next opportunity is in place and continue moving up the ladder. Let's see. So these people chose to pursue their dream job over a higher paying career and we're supposed to feel sorry for them because they cannot afford a house in one of the most expensive housing markets in the country. Exactly. We all make choices. If you want to work in an industry that doesn't pay a lot and is located in a high cost area I made a choice for my career. I make very good money so I could either live in a modest home or apartment in LA or New York or I could live in a large house and travel. A large house is a different state but I have to travel 30 weeks a year. I chose a larger house and travel. Oh, okay. So he could live in a big city in a small place or he could live in not travel or he could live in a different state for 30 weeks a year. I'd also like to work much less than honestly I could but I have to change my lifestyle. I make the choice to continue working and maintaining my lifestyle. I'm not asking anyone to feel bad for me as I made these choices. It's the exact same thing if you choose to work in an industry that doesn't pay you a lot. Everyone talks about how good it is in California makes fun of poorer states like Alabama when I explain the average to the average person both states have the same standard of living because everything is so much more expensive in California they laugh. This article proves my point. I make 52 grand a year and my wife can't work due to degenerative disc disease in her back. I own a 2,000 square foot three bedroom brick home with a 2,000 square foot detached garage on 1.3 acres. Nice. And I can even I can even chime in on that because I'm in Alabama. I grew up here on the coast in Gulf Shores on the beach. It's beautiful. Florida, the Florida Panhandle beaches come into Alabama good 40 miles. People only realize we have beaches here. You can Google it Gulf Shores, Alabama Orange Beach, Alabama. That's where I grew up. That's where I live. Gulf Shores Elementary. So we're in a 4,000 square foot poured in place concrete like undestructible to hurricanes because we get hit by a lot of hurricanes. We bought it for 1.1 right before the pandemic. So it's worth 1.7 1.8 something like that right this second probably got up to about 2 million at the peak and the higher price stuff has taken more of a hit than your average median prices in the country. However, this house like in a big city this is a $10 million. This is a $5, $10, $15 million house depending on where it sits on an acre on the golf course, gated community. We love it. Our families live here but man the property taxes are ridiculously cheap. Cheapest in the country honestly and we love it here. It's small town. We have the beach. We have great schools. Great people. We just we love it here and we were kind of spoiled like if you think about moving to Dallas or LA or even right across the state line into Florida their property taxes are ridiculous compared to Alabama. Now they don't have income taxes over there like we have here state income taxes. So I would probably win in that department depending on what kind of home I did buy if I did want to move to Florida. But I agree with this. People don't realize like your dollar goes a lot further in a place like this and quite honestly I'm pretty spoiled. Let's read a couple more of these. Remember it says 100,000 combined. That's a 50,000 a piece and roughly 22 to 26 dollar an hour for pay. 1200 to 1300 a pay period not including taxes. I've heard the film industry is rough work for summer crew members requiring long hours and toxic environments. Not worth the lifestyle unless you're all about selfies with celebrities. All right. All right. So it looks like the consensus here is kind of the same as what I was saying. It's like we make choices you know get out there and make the best choices for you and your family because there are options. A lot of people think there's no options. You know I can't go out here and do this or that. Yes you can. The fact that you say you can't is the reason why you don't. That's it. Nobody says you can't go do anything. You can go do anything you want to do and if you fight against that then that there's your problem right there. You're just not willing to open up to the fact that you can do anything you want to do. You can. Does it take a long time? Sometimes yes. It takes a long time. A lot of hard work. No doubt but that's why it's worth it. All right. So with that I'll see you guys on the next video. Hit the like. Subscribe. I'll be back tomorrow with another update on our case. The Sitzer Burnett trial going on in Missouri Kansas, Missouri right now.  They're also talking about the way that we are coached and trained and negotiated commissions with sellers and so on and so forth. So I've been covering that. I covered all five days last week and I will continue the covers this week. The trial is going on through next week supposedly. It's a three week trial so I'm looking forward to continuing coverage there. I'll give you another market update in between and until then we'll see you guys on the next video. Let's go.


Extraining rule has been implemented now We've seen it a good amount Oakland did it Otani got thrown out at third in the Angels game Cleveland had it happened with them Who did Cleveland play? Cleveland played the Royals the Royals and they won the Royals won and they did exactly what like, you know People said it was gonna be a sacrifice contest.  I get where Clevis coming from. Okay, I get it, but It's the game both teams got to do it and Like I don't honestly it was crazy to me that it doesn't really make any sense to me that they're doing it But it is what it is and would we have heard from him if they won that game? Probably not No, or or not in the fashion that it happened when it does happen like that.  No one wants to watch that Yeah, and I I think you know MLB has been think MLB has been thinking about this for a while Jim's mentioned it like I wouldn't be surprised if you see a Going forward the 12th inning or something or 11th inning in regular season games Just just to short it down a little bit the only part that I feel bad about because I'm with you Trev I mean both teams get to play by the same rules I do think it's a bigger advantage for the home team, but I mean that's maybe that's home field advantage this year Because there's no fans or anything so give him that I just feel bad Especially at this part of the season. We've got 30 man rosters We've got a lot of young guys a lot of dudes with pitching limits So, you know when I go check out the blue blue jays and they signed Shonyamaguchi a guy who you know He came from overseas I think it was a 14 year pro over there four time all-star and his MLB debut is with a runner on second and extra innings And that was against the raise he gives up a walk and then a triple to Kiermeyer game over Well, welcome to the show so situations like that suck But I don't know it. We're all playing by the same rules. It is what it is It's supposed to be it's not gonna be in the postseason It's it's a weird year like look at everything that we just talked about for the first part of this show So if that's your problem, I don't know get get over it for this year I I understand if your baseball traditionalist that it hurts your soul a little bit and it and it should but I mean for If you can't do it this year, come on I'm fine with this year. I do like Trevor. I want to get your thoughts on this I think it's coming like I think and not in the 10th inning, but in the 12th inning I think we're gonna have this in baseball. I think fans are gonna understand it and Like be diluted by this season, which is kind of like what the players were fighting for with a lot of this stuff like hey I know you're saying one season only but once you get it in here. You set the precedent I think this will be part of baseball moving forward Maybe you start in the 12th inning and you do two innings of clean extra inning ball But you know, I think I don't know how you feel I know Derek Jeter came out and said like I hated extra innings a lot of some other players said like, you know If we can erase those 15 innings games That's great And I think the stats back up that like while a lot of games going to extra innings. I think I'm gonna butcher this it was like 60 to 80 percent end in the 10th or the 11th