ally Though and I think that's the point Well, yeah, the the fact that he has now taken this as evidence You're trying to come across as more objective as opposed to you saying that this is what you believe the cause is Which is the truth that's what you're actually how how dare you refer back to your thesis statement Yeah, that's right. I mean, I just don't get this the weirdest.  Um, well, yeah, Todd here Todd yeah, obviously Oh, yeah, so it was all him you retard you blamed emil when you're supposed to blame Todd like the rest of us Well, then if he's the only one who makes the game He bumped that up to not just Todd not just emil the whole team people like Okay If you want me to do that, I guess I guess I can blame everybody instead of the one guy that talked about it I'm weird Wait for patrician tv to give his audience exactly what they want I wanted someone to shit on emil before which is why nobody was looking it up before my video That's the thing. Yeah, if that's what we wanted then how come nobody was looking for it before the video Why did they need me to say it before they had approval to go do something about it, you know Starfield is the thing that's cluing a lot of people in now. It's he was one step too far The people wanted an explanation for why starfield was the way it was they did not want the explanation to necessarily be that it was emil's fault Or is he gonna make the argument that people want like a scapegoat they want the individual that they can blame It didn't you know traditionally that's Todd Howard. That's what most videos do. Why is that okay? Why are we pretending like if there were a central design doc that that would somehow clear all of these people of any responsibility They have for starfields.  It doesn't make any sense Oh, yes now the hatred can be directed at him because you've done this whole design doc thing When before people all they had was the fact that it was a shit game Oh, and then of course the question would be well, where should the praise go then? Does it just go to the amorphous Bethesda? Yes, as an entity or does it go to individuals who were there who had no There's a surprising number of people who would answer that. Yes, it goes to Bethesda I think it's fair that you could say that it's like the studio and the studio culture and okay so there is an argument for that because With world of warcraft they talked about they had a black box design where If the if anybody got credit for the games being good, it was blizzard And that way the credit went to everybody that was on the team So there is an argument to make about that But it also means that the blame also falls upon the whole team if they do a bad job Yeah, I guess what I'm I'm bringing it up in relation to what he would say like who would he say You know the game is great Then he would presumably say that he deserves a bunch of credit, right? Yeah, that's what he's done before he does that with the dark brotherhood and followed three Anytime that there's there's credit or there's praise to be given out suddenly It's the individual designers that pop their heads up and Uh People were disappointed with starfield and when people are disappointed they want to know why this happened And Let me clarify this for you if everyone in this game If if people are noticing a very strong and continual trend of the characters and the writing and the quests and the stories They suck in these games generally Then people are going to go to who's doing this The funniest part is that if it wasn't me it would have been private sessions because in his part two He's going to talk about the same exact thing I thought you meant like you guys are to blame for starfield's she writing He stole it from his husband.  Yeah, I was gonna say it's no real detriment. This video is insane. Well, there were other there were other reasons but Yeah, I mean this would be a great thing to reference potentially for that video to be like people are like Yeah, I don't know what it is about people about like I don't know if this guy is like a weird Bethesda fanatic Or if he is just like a psycho Weirdo or if he just hates your guts Which very might be the case he comes across as extremely spiteful on behalf of someone else I don't know. It's kind of wild If a snake oil salesman comes along and claims to have insider knowledge and then tells their audience It's not it. You never claimed insider knowledge. No, no, this is that whole Self-proclaimed expert thing again. I've never said I have insider knowledge You never referenced any insider knowledge It's pretty clear that I'm operating with an outsider perspective Because you show all of the public things that he's done and said Yeah, if I had insider knowledge, I would have I would have like interviews with them directly that would be exclusive to my video You know, he hasn't addressed I don't buy for a second that anybody thought that I had insider knowledge That's bizarre to hear. Yeah, you never claimed anything like that. All of your sources were public ones Well, and he hasn't addressed the main point, which is what if it's really good snake oil? what that So I'm gonna think about to hear the audience will probably buy it not because they're dumb, but because that's a normal response Like By the way, that's how we could explain this video too, by the way that your audience will buy this because it's a normal response Whenever this works both ways if there's a sense of like You wonder how stupid a video could get before it would breach the like The sense of the way about something weird is going on here You know like like this video is wrong because he actually went to double in three times in the last Necessary way of doing whatever the hell it is that he does You know like what the hell was that?  Do you agree? He like, okay Yeah, I think so How things like scams cons and coats work Hmm You know, he absolutely does.   What what can my narrative already brought up pretosis making money and how that made him bitter Let me look at some videos see if I can grab anything. Oh, this pretosis guy's covered something Oh, yeah, there you go a design dark. I don't even know what that is fine. Yeah, we'll say that's the reason Yeah, we'll put that in there. Who can I target? Let's let's type in innocent developers a part of Bethesda. Ah, there's my target beautiful Got him.  I'll peck typing Aren't easy to believe as long as they say what people want to hear And just like the original reddit post patrician speed all people wanted to hear was that starfield was a bad game They didn't need an explanation or a reason They've never needed an explanation or a reason there's fucking year after year Topic after topic that all people got away with with million view videos was just saying that the game was bad And then it was this guy's fault No, you don't even have any This is where I mean for me as as a relative outsider. All I've known is that Bethesda just gradually over time has been rotting away He's like, oh, yeah, but you know individuals responsible It's like sure people will be interested in knowing more and more information about how this all fell apart But at the same time it doesn't change much of anything the games are still shit Well, yeah, the why is interesting, but it doesn't change whatever the explanation doesn't change the And product Which is that people were really hyped for this game and then it came out that it was a massive disappointment Fucking leading a cult speaks with an authoritative voice Pretends to be an expert on this. See see how you do the you do the authoritative breakdown. Well, he does He he does. Yeah, I actually I sound like an expert. This is what an expert sounds like. I'm not being mean You're being me. I'm yeah, you're a cult leader get you with your cult This is just how I talk man I get the I really don't do a voice But just just by trying to speak clearly and make sure people understand what you're saying and also try and be an entertainer Of some sort you can get to a point where people are just like, wow, look at you. You think you're so correct Well, he's he's going to Iron video where I say that I don't do that A lot of people don't like it when other people speak confidently I don't know what it is if it makes them feel I don't know. I think it's escalating to them or in yeah or insecure But a lot of people just really don't like when other people sound confident I'm personally.  I can't take it. It's uh, yeah I it's funny.   What about you speaking with confidence or don't know? Do I ever say I don't know something? I don't know what happened Probably I don't know where to start. I don't know where else I would There's honestly still a bunch about the system that I don't know I really don't know which one is faster.  I just I just don't think it's pleasant I don't want to I don't want to listen to it for more visceral reasons. It's just not pleasant to listen to I want to let's do a man. Damn it. Yeah, especially for us when you have the opening being something like today I went through something and I want to share it with you and then you're like, wait, what was this video called? And it's like a review of godzilla Oh Okay The day he said I was a poopy head and that was harassment And some person said a meal did a bad job and that's harassment And I don't like it and they're making money off of it and it's fine. They can have their opinion Um, but don't don't touch me. You're cold leader But don't worry guys patrician is on your side.  That's so kind of you. It can all that free content, baby. That's why he's here We're just milking them dry. What a chad But I don't think this video was unjustified I think there were still enough people who felt betrayed by starfield who want a voice to speak for them To really hammer why this game didn't work So yeah, I think that's a pretty I think that's a pretty straightforward perspective to have on video creating Is that you're filling a niche that people want to hear People can't a lot of people can't articulate the finer points in life because you know They have jobs that aren't related to their hobbies and they don't get a lot of free time to think about this Or they don't have the vocabulary to think about it Do this happen they are making is a skill There's a talent There's a level of confidence that one can have that will absolutely piss the fuck out of people like piss them off And it reminds me of um, it was like a stream me and wolf did I want to say literally like six years ago I'm not even sure how long at this point, but it was like a super chat or questionnaire asking Something to do with like how how is it that you've gotten to the point where you're choosing what what you do being like story analysis And then I I made a comment about how um, some people be more like have more interest in it or maybe even be Have a predilection toward it and that there's going to be people who are just going to be able to explain it better Or see things that other people might not That got fucking like clipped and everyone said like look how full of himself he is I was like what like I'm just describing like a basic skill set that'll apply the different people lead to different things Isn't that the most normal statement ever? I didn't realize that was controversial I apologize for being a youtuber. I will uh endeavor to Well, can I speak from the heart or would that be disingenuous? You don't have one. Yeah, I was gonna say prove you have one first pull it out show us all later A true hero I didn't say as a hero. I just said I spoke to people's you said you're a hero and we all agree you are There you go. Okay. It's over. That's right because we're in your cult. We can't the court finds me guilty And all it cost was the complete character assassination of one complete Character assassination. It wasn't character assassination.  Okay, let's assume that he's right I'm just wrong Like that's not a character assassination. I'm just wrong So as we said earlier if you are completely wrong about everything he's tackled you specifically for Being the lack of a unifying design document behind a meals approach Does that not make a meal look worse in a different direction as we brought it before Well, this isn't about a meal. It's about me. He can't even stay on his bike Well, what I'm saying is That you've assassinated him and is like, yeah, but like if if he did have the dog if you were wrong That means that he managed to that's fairly execution That's what this video is missing. Like I said earlier was there needed to be a 20 minute segment where he proved that Emil was like this really good guy and he made these really good games and you know He's this character that was besmirched, but he jumped past that just straight to the besmirching Everything is resting on well, he does have a design document actually No, and you let's just go with one of the arguments of his that says he does Have a design document that doesn't change anything That doesn't push the needle into starfield being a good game or a meal or a meal be a writer Yeah, we're trying to make it look like I said that coolsville sucks I think coolsville sucks. No, no, no single constant game developer And by the way, it's not just over design documents that patrician deliberately misrepresents an attack Deliberately That's a strong that's a strong position to take that it was deliberate. Well cult leader. I wouldn't expect anything less from you Here are some other examples Emil peggly rillo has stated. He does not listen to criticism Ignoring the reviews This is a common lie that creative people will tell Note how patrician doesn't say this as if it's his opinion, but instead as if he's just repeating emil's own words even the But but he's you're he's But he's he references a me what emil is saying So yes, he's gonna refer to what emila said the whole point of the statement is that emil doesn't I must be hearing that wrong. I must be no I legit don't understand where the problem is emila stated that he does not listen to criticism I mean part of that little statement was that he said to ignore it.  I was like, where's the contradiction. It's like he didn't use those words. They're like, oh But he played the clip for us.  That's no it's like no, I guess it's what you just summarized like why are we why are we doing Why are we here and he makes the same point more than once and yet despite the heavy criticism The very first decision made regarding starfield's design was not to have a silent protagonist because emil doesn't listen to criticism Ignoring the reviews. Here's a fault. Yeah, like He said ignoring the reviews I need help never knows best. Tell me what's going on here. Why am I supposed to be upset? Like you are because qualities equivalent to profit meaning I can say whatever I want and he probably won't hear about it What's a telling line at the end there? Meaning I can say whatever I want and he probably got him about it. Yeah Oh, wait, hang on. Where's that tweet where he said that he has no clue that he's never seen any of these Oh, wait, wait, wait, wait. Is he contextualizing what you just said as you could lie and it wouldn't matter Is that what he's trying to do? It's that regardless of what patrician says in his videos. It's not going to get to emil's ears No, that's what is that's what patrician said, but what is being implied here Listen to the way that he like talks about it silent protagonist because emil doesn't listen to criticism Ignoring the reviews. Here's a fallout for critiques all ignored because quality is equivalent to profit Meaning I can say whatever I want and he probably won't hear about it. What's a telling line at the end there? It's funny. I think he cuts out the next sentence.  It will never meet his ears and thus nothing will ever change Um, the full quote is meaning I can say whatever I want and he probably won't hear about it But if he does I'm open for interviews and actually able to ask good questions about your work And now that's a oh boy. No, no, he's found he's found the telling lie though He's found the telling element I want him to say that you you're you're you're like admitting to lies Please tell him he says that meaning I can say whatever I want and he probably won't hear about it Yes, sadly, that's true, but we'll get to it. So I signed an NDA. I'm a professional. I don't want to get fired Now sure developer signing non disclosure agreements is nothing new But it's very clear that they muzzled Emil because even in the short controlled interviews He's allowed to do almost everything he says is a damning indictment of Bethesda's design practices Literally, all you have to do is let him talk and he'll tell on himself the entire time It's true though. I just like I I mean I I like stream of conscious I think like I sometimes can be a little bit manic, but like so NDAs are normal. Why do you cut that?  No good.   I've used this screen kept numerous times. I'll see if I can dig it up but The fan was asking about some lore inconsistencies in Fallout 4 And he's dismissive and he eventually says Um Not interested in discussing how realistic things are in a game of talking mutants and ghouls Oh that quote. Okay. I know I would call that quote now that you've read it.  So everything gets checked out Yeah, it's the space wizard argument favorite. Yeah. Yeah Or dragons and talking cat people That's the Skyrim version Not a science lesson Please bet. I can only get so erect majority of the clips I have shown you from patrician's video Came from the first two hours Because that's how much I watched before deciding that I have far too many examples ready to fit in Nice But you did watch more because you had clips. Oh, right because you know Yeah, he control acted to get all the examples of me saying it Okay, like so he only watched two hours of this video that let's be honest This is the main reason that he's here.  You know fan of firefly Yeah, big fan of firefly It's a good show. That's correct That you're a fan of it. I mean that makes you morally good. You couldn't possibly run a cult if you like firefly Then I like that there is just no way anything in the rest of the video could ever redeem it How do you know? What about the end he said lol actually this was all That is pretty funny.  It's just no, it's absolutely cherry picked Don't even feel like that's um, that's being cruel to cherry pickers like this Like this is this is pathetic a good reputation of cherry They must be pissed literally the definition of cherry picking is control effing. Yeah, I mean, he's literally going for the cherries in the video I just feel like cherry pickers usually more effective. I don't know I think you can usually gather together something of a point a video I don't need to I am cherry picking the worst examples from the first two hours of it And there are a lot of strong examples that didn't make the cut Instead of putting them in the cut if they're strong examples, why not just keep going you've got a slam dunk here You gotta fucking annihilate me The fucking open in what 20 minutes down Particularly around non design document related insights Why not why not include those parts if I'm wrong about the design document thing Why not include other arguments that I'm wrong about Well, so in my experience they'll do a thing where they pick on one thing that they think they can actually get you on And they'll be like the whole video is like this by the way Yeah, it's like listening to examples and then saying etc because you can't think of anything else You know the time where he misspelled a word whole videos like that Oh, okay, sure. I said I said step off and step out interchangeably You know how that upsets the semantically challenged of using original sources only to misrepresent them Or to make completely unfounded assumptions based off them Or to take them out of context or to just attack for developer involved Is a constant feature in patrician style of analysis Oh, really? It's a constant feature. Jeez. It's just what he does. I guess I had I had noticed I suppose In fact, that's just a great amazing company that makes incredible video games And they never mislead or lie or do shady things and their games are wonderful and amazing And they just do nothing but bang out It's really funny because um in the fallout 76 video. I barely talk about Bethesda at all I barely talk about any of the developers You can attest to that you saw that video. I did Yeah, but it was uh, it's a wild journey. There was hate in there though, right? Like hate and attacks Yeah, absolutely hatred. So it was just aimed at the commission takes his assumptions so far that he says something quite strange Let's revisit an old quote by account Peggy Arula learned to hate design documents with fallout 3 and so his next lead project to fallout 4 went without one I think if you were to ask him, he'd probably liken the process to jazz music Okay, so ignoring the fact that emil hating design docs is fake and throughout 4 not using a design doc is fake Oh fake Why on earth does patrician tv think that emil would liken the process to jazz music? I don't know. That's typically what people do when they talk about improvisational styles I was about to say I think I knew where that analogy was going because I think most people would yeah A lot of improvisation and we if you don't have a design document, then you uh, then making a video game is like jazz music Where you improvise and play off of each other It's pretty straightforward and it's pretty easy to understand how it's like literally look down from the line and it says improvisation And he didn't let your full thing finished by the way, he cut it off before you explained what you meant Not to mention um, you're you're fully this time protected There's nothing you can actually breach you with because you've got I think and if they're both in there, so It's very obviously an extrapolation. Obviously. He's never literally said that Well, you can't you can't get you on that Are you saying that never never knows best? Can't process hypotheticals. I I wouldn't even think to claim it He needs a laugh track Because I have never heard emil mentioned jazz nice Literally can't process it. Oh my god Why would you how would you feel if you did any breakfast yesterday? How could I know that? No, this is written by he's this is written by ai because ai can't understand hypotheticals I don't think he's ever spoken about jazz cult leader No, shit doesn't mention it's in any of patrician's sources.  I love that you wasted fucking time looking up If there was a connection between jazz and if there was a literal quote about it, I would have included it That's why I said I think he would probably like it to it. Yeah, I think if you were to ask him He would probably you can't read It's like four layers of specifying that it's not real Jesus and I don't think I've ever heard anyone else make this comparison either So why would patrician say that this why do you think it's in the next bit? Why he explains it You cut off the quote. Where does this assumption even come from? This is this is I gotta admit this is hyper autism He doesn't understand humor and now he doesn't understand hypothetical scenarios He might actually be autistic. This is insane. Yeah, this is literally unable to engage with a hypothetical This is the thing. This is he might be in I think I think never knows best might be in the double digit club We do this all the time in terms of like remember what I said like what would patrician tv's Video be to never knows best if we had ultimate proof that a central design doc was used and I said I imagine he'd say It's now worthless even though it wouldn't be and if he then said to me like I never said that I'd be like Okay, that's wow like damn And why does he think it's necessary? Because he could have said Emil's process seems a lot like improvisation in jazz uh Okay, I guess he's I guess he's about to read it. He's going to read it, right? Music except while this might work in jazz due to the small group size This is going to be what he says though something with a large amount of people collaborating like game development That's ostensibly what I said This is essentially what you said nobody believes that emil said the thing about jazz when you said I imagine he would say that or I think he would say this if I asked him What I said the literally the next words I said The fundamental problem with art that works through improvisation is that it's usually a small group of individuals If not one person whom are all talented and knowledgeable working within a central discipline under a short time frame Yeah, he takes issue with you theorizing that he would say such a thing But he's he's doing his own extrapolation You don't have to extrapolate it's the it's all there. Well, you're he's fine. He said I think if I'd asked him It's well. No, listen. He's saying he's saying that I could have said so he's proposing his own hypothetical Well, you could have said in your in your essay that uh Emile's process reminds you of jazz as opposed to saying if I was to ask him I imagine he'd say his process is a lot like jazz.  Mm-hmm.  Just say the quote This is what I mean. There's there's zero problem here. This is getting excessive in isolation is all right So what's the benefit of making this metaphor? patrician's metaphor and a decent enough metaphor at that Have to come from emil's mouth Instead of his my god.  No, it's not mine or it's nothing There's no problem. Why would you end the point with the saying that I qualified it? By this assumption with both I think and probably I'm telling you this is reaction bait because he he knows how we would react So he's like they're gonna look foolish If I if they say that I should have added the I should have mentioned the qualifier because I do mention the qualifier But I I present the argument backwards to trick them That doesn't make any sense just makes him look retarded.  Never try it guys Misleading in the same way that many of his other claims are It's not misleading. Well, why are we talking about this and not the myriad of other good strong points that you have? That you allegedly had But allegedly there was easy Strange. It's not strange. It really isn't the average human brain head doesn't have any problem parsing out hypotheticals But I guess you do I'm sorry, man making completely unfounded assumptions about developers and isn't Completely unfounded assumptions. It's not even a negative comment Like if you said I imagined Mola might you know equate his work to jazz I'd be like, oh, you're saying that I would you know focus on a lot of improv But the it's like jazz is universally known as shit Jazz yeah, the jazz the famously hated style of music. The whole point was like about improvisation That's why I said the word improvisation And when I think of the concept of improvisation, I think of like theater improv groups Which is a pretty high cut and I think of jazz music, which I think is a more approachable metaphor to use Well, most funny is the major references for this at all going to come from your video that aren't just your summaries There'll be all the individual pieces of information all of how things were coming together in the story the mechanics The improv so to speak of design And parts of development has become so normalized to patrician But it doesn't even seem weird to him to make his words come from emel's mouth Even at times when it's completely unnecessary fucking insane I I guess he's he literally just doesn't get it. He just doesn't get it. No, he just doesn't get it.  That was a well-tived. Good job. They'd have it was best for a second patrician clearly believes in the value of referencing outside source material in game analysis Now personally, I think the best arguments about a game should be supported through evidence that comes Exclusively from the game itself and your experience with it. That's a nice opinion. Did your husband give it to you? I was going to say exclusively I mean, why can't you not look at the game and then look at the extra is so out of game sources to be like This is what I claims why this thing is in the game I heard I heard about this and this was what I was worried that was going to turn into is he anti-source Is he anti research? Oh, clearly We just said like you shouldn't be involving much of anything. Well exclusively is the way to use Damn, I mean maybe it's just his perspective at all You go through like all of the quest lines and the side quest and you talk about the story And you talk about the dungeons and all the guns and all the mechanics Yeah, I mean it's a mix of the game informing the analysis and the real world information I'm able to find informing the analysis This is something people might have different opinions about and that's fine There should be different approaches to game criticism. Okay audiences might enjoy different styles true And so patrician seems to have focused on this one thing He genuinely it's funny that he's using the morrowind analysis and as an example when I can't I Started developing the style in like the middle of the morrowind analysis I would think the oblivion or the skyrim analysis would be More effective examples because that's when I was fully on board with it Important external sources and he was successful doing this gaining plenty of views and fans Why does he say that like it was deceptive?  Like yeah, even though cretosis is apparently the worst of the three of you Yeah, that's what's weird cretosis is the worst, but you seem to be getting a Way more get about cretosis with the way he despises you. Yeah, he's doing He was just attacking what cretosis said about him. Oh, he's going for like channel breakdown on me I'm starting to feel neglected. Yeah And So as he continued to make videos this became a bigger and bigger part of them Not for malicious reasons, but because he wanted to make good content And it was his opinion that this is hang on. I've never said that that's an extrapolation. You're putting words into my mouth I actually don't want to make good content I want I want to control my cult as best I can. Do you have a source for that? Do you have an example of me saying that I want to make good content? Why don't you back that up with a source senator Was what made him better than the other youtubers who only talk about their opinions Something he discusses in the intro to his skyrim. I can't wait to hear how you think you're better than everyone else Let's see what the quote is video Now what would happen if I did not do that if I take the common road of simply preaching with an authoritative voice In that instance that I would say the meme take my perspective on fast travel as though it were the one Incorrect opinion to have and then move on It is true that many would be both entertained and convinced simply with a deep voice and an air of charisma Insert profile pictures of relevant youtubers here. Wow, you put me there Yeah That's just for the fun of people not seeing the screen However, I don't look at my audience as people to be tricked into liking my work with Why would I put that horse's face so close to your character? It was a bug with that I got a check with Bethesda, you never know sometimes If you want videos that simply preach opinions as the only true perspective to have then Dozens of videos that are both pro and against skyrim already exist to validate your existing opinions When you realize that over 80 of those videos have nothing to say I'll still be here keeping my dreams open for you I'm sorry. I'm a gatekeeper and I keep it before I hear is batshit retarded taking what you just said Am I to take from what you've just said the you would rather dig into the meta as much as possible because everyone else Is already dug heavily into the game or my because this is obviously from a snippet So I can't quite tell exactly what you're saying Well, that's part of it a lot of my frustration with the skyrim stream series was that the majority of skyrim videos Were just empty plots synopsis There was very little analytical substance to a lot of those videos And so that's what I was working with with my video was that I wanted it to be more analytical I wanted to be less just affirming existing opinions because it was very much the case that many skyrim videos Some of them would be like skyrim's the greatest game ever and then others would be like skyrim's actually not that good But they wouldn't really talk a whole lot about why I know what you mean. We have the equivalents of that Well, I was funny.  No, no Everybody wasn't dead. Yeah talking about Brie Larson's quotes They were talking about like what this film is where it said some what it means for game and stuff like this But nobody is reviewed it he downplayed Private Sessions video because he's my podcast host and so I guess he's a nepo baby or something but If you want my video without a lot of the meta Discussion of the behind the scenes stuff. That's what private sessions is doing his video is entirely informed by the like internal Kind of logic that comes from skyrim Mm-hmm. Yeah, it's a valuable perspective to have well and just look at the thing What can we take from the thing uh to not give the wrong impression There were plenty of great captain marvel videos. It was just shocking how Little people were talking about what happened in it and you could obviously attribute that the fact that no one gave a shit about it I was like, well, I want to talk about what happens Marvel is the same thing the marvels have the same thing where everybody talked about the matter and Not many people would talk about how badly written it was Look if I'm supposed to apologize for having the opinion that most skyrim videos are shit I will literally never apologize They seem to be particularly consistently quite bad Um, I mean, I'm not going to hold it against you for thinking that your video is better than most skyrim videos That just doesn't bother me at all As far as I'm concerned, most people who spent an extremely large amount of time Making something like that should probably have confidence enough to defend it as One of if not the best takes on the thing um, I think I have the best take on doc strange mom and Uh, quantimania there. I said it That's okay Do we have to let the british man talk? Yeah, unfortunately I'll date your existing opinions when you realize that over 80 of those videos have nothing to say I'll still be here keeping my gate open for you And so patrick, hey, he cut out the part where I said because I love you He does not he doesn't know love um True britishan truly believed in this approach and lent into it And the end result of this ever higher and higher emphasis on outside sources That were still ultimately just being used to support his subjective opinion Probably just to be clear by no means has he come anywhere close to even beginning To prove that you only use outside sources. He just said that it's just something that he said The fact that he just I feel like he realized that he was right in that sentence That didn't sound quite right like the more and more he got popular the more he made videos the more and more he Made use of outside sources like wait, that's probably a good thing Uh, but it was just a subjective opinion Like how could you ever argue like the more sources you take advantage of the worse your video gets is like Well, what's he trying to prove here? I'm not necessarily a full objectivist I value subjectivism and objectivism I don't even If well because if the more information you have regarding the creation of a thing like quotes and processes and reports and everything Most people wouldn't consider like this is really we're gonna get into a whole thing trying to Uh, assess it, but the fact that he's just dismissed it as like well, it's just him being supporting a subjective opinion It's like well, I mean yes or no. It's like depends on how you're trying to skew that in Like the next guy who says Yeah, I like Skyrim i give him five stars versus the guy who's like so here's what this person said about this mission And that's why this is happening here and this is going on because of this and this was designed actually with You know infused with references to this culture bowler if someone said like that's the same They're both giving you their opinion. I'd be like I mean, I guess they are both giving you their perspective. Sure Um, you're like, I get you would have to acknowledge that there is a considerable difference between their argumentation And one is more valuable than the other and I mean if this ultimately ends up being that he's anti research, uh Yes, he's like trying to find the least retarded way To say that that it might not be that he's anti research. He might just be anti reason He might be meant to anti effort Anti coherency If he wanted to make the point that like the standard is unreasonable because it increases the amount of time I have to take to make videos. Yes, that is a problem that I have I'm into it but And the end result of this ever higher and higher emphasis on outside sources That were still ultimately just being used to support his subject Is it entirely possible never that The reason that I have more information in each subsequent video is because I had the same amount of information from the last video And was able to build upon that instead of just starting over Probably not no Like I snowballed up to the skyrim video in terms of the amount of information I had access to There was things I learned in working on the skyrim video that I wish I knew working on the oblivion video No His subjective opinions about the game was this starfield analysis Where the central thesis is that everything bad in starfield is because of no design documents And that this observation uniquely made by him the higher tier game critic No, hang on. Hang on. Hang on. Hang on. You earlier said that cretosis made this point and I stole it from him Yeah, but you claim it makes you the higher tier game critic So get rekt cretosis never said it makes him the top g so Well in private sessions came to the same conclusion But I guess you know Yeah, he stole it from me. I stole it from cretosis cretosis stole it from its agundam, you know The thing that can magically explain everything people dislike and by the way magic isn't real Or is it still on this or is it Yes, I thought we were done with the thesis Me of him referring to other people's youtube videos as using techniques of propaganda Well, I mean I don't even want to get into that Well, I mean you're going to pens I was choosing to let it slide But despite this I do think it's is that is that your big takedown?  He's just rattling about man Uh at hominem We've long passed that yeah We passed that a long time ago. Sorry. What are you called it personal attack? You I don't even know what to classify what this is. No, it's a first-hand attack insanity It's only fair to say that what is seen in his starfield video does seem to be the end result of this approach I will admit I have not watched much of his other content that much is clear You haven't watched much of any of his content earlier. He I thought earlier that he said that what was visible in your starfield video Was presence in your other videos He did That's really that doesn't make much sense Well, and he doesn't understand that I have a separate I have a separate Level of standards for the videos that I make that are under an hour Like do you really think I did a whole ton of research on like battlefront 2 2005?  I think that seems like a pretty reasonable perspective to have Relative to but from what I've checked In his other videos. He doesn't seem to present original source material in the same misrepresented way It's just his special hatred of a meal. Yeah got him to break character Well, just couldn't stand it. There it is Never do you want to know the difference when I was talking about elder scrolls games? Those were all projects that weren't spearheaded by emel Like all three of those were not like emel was just either a quest designer or a senior quest designer So why would it make sense to go on this big tangent about how much I hate emel when I'm talking about elder scrolls games. Now if I talked about fallout, I would talk a lot more about emel, but I really haven't talked about fallout His his entire view of you is so heavily constructed with like your immense hatred and targeting and scapegoating of Of emel that we get to a point. We almost want the wizard to just walk up to and be like, it's not by the way He's actually not just to have it be like what no no that that can't be true Like Everything rests on this. It comes in. It's just not you're crazy. Why did you make it that everything rests on? Why did you construct your house on sand? I don't understand And while he does make bold reaching assumptions based on these sources and attack game developers at times Shut up. You only attack youtubers. Yeah, but he's right. He explained this in the cretosis section Other youtubers I like the idea that his goal was that cretosis would be sitting in the corner crying and he'd smile like my I It's your time to grow now cretosis. That's right. I I believe I believe in you. I believe in you That's the problem with the uh trap theory being even a possible interpretation is that it inherently undermines my ability to take this video seriously because I either retarded or he's acting in bad faith Like I said, this this fits in with our road gallery of just insane people making these insane videos that no friend told them Bro, I don't know about this one Maybe edit out most of it as your friend. I'm telling you.  What did he? Yes And just so we're clear This absolutely is a lie It is a lie the profess no you you haven't proved any of it. Nope. Yeah, that's not how that works Some of your sources You cut out a ton of context so and he makes conflicting arguments Yeah, it's like we're not gonna claim you're lying.    Are you like what the hell's going on? It is difficult to track his arguments But we got him I can repeat them back On the second monitor and when the video is over you're supposed to go I guess that was a pretty convincing argument You'd be surprised how many people he had like sources and stuff for the things he said he must have been correct I wasn't misled More blackpilled on that every single day that like the vast majority of people listening to youtube videos are not listening to them Hey, I picked Winston That doesn't use design documents just like it's a lie, but Emil hates design documents Just that wasn't a lie. It's an extrapolation Yeah, it's an inference which he has done on you many times I think what I think what's driving me a little bit mad is that it's an extrapolation that makes perfect sense Yeah, if he is in line with or rather maybe maybe it would be too far to say that he hates them But it certainly is a reasonable extrapolation that he believes that it's better now With the way that he talked about it because the way that he put it in that in that conversation was What we learned by the time we're getting a fallout 3 is that the design document was getting outdated You know that and then of course the other quote of the game is the design document These are all things that are obviously being said in a positive way that we are doing it better now that we've learned something now So again, it's it's it's not a lie. It's a reasonable extrapolation of what he said Yeah Us like it's a lie that fallout 4 was made entirely without design documents Just like it's a lie that this is a a magic phrase that really explains everything wrong with this Because like isn't real Yeah, but you never thought of that All right now now talk about starfield No, no, we don't talk about starfield. I know it's been an hour. It's been 10 hours It's been an hour and 40 minutes of your video. Can we please talk about the games in question? No, I now submit my own evidence uh starfield This game no design Insanity patrician tv will defend this by saying that because he says one time in an eight hour video That design and writing director and will paglia rulo. It's true. That's why I put it up front Yep, that's the part that people see It's a design document But that it is very short and he believes the game itself is the real design document And you dumbass half the examples you use with me saying that there's no central design document It doesn't like This would be this whole fucking video such a waste of time on behalf of the evidence best Like this is the thing when he says There is not a giant design document where the whole game is outlined. What can you do with that? Well, I'm saying it more for this guy then, you know, what what is the What's the defense that you're going to oh or rather? Why is it that the claim of are there all of these problems with the game and how it seems like the systems aren't Uh designed together, but that they were designed almost independently and thrown together at the end Almost like there wasn't a design doc It's like well He said there wasn't a giant design doc where the whole game was outlined and that the game itself Was the actual working documents. These are things that he said He's confusing. That's what I would say about this Well, we know this because there are as many as seven individual arguments For why patrician is wrong that all can't coexist Yeah And i'm sorry to be the one to tell you this. Oh, no, but that is not how Nice ox or sorry maryum webster Oh god him Miriam webster defines truth is the body of real Hang on here though because if i'm just wrong Then i'm still sincere in my actions character It's your truth your truth, baby. It's your truth. Yep. Yeah Though seriously, uh, I will say this is an e-fab first. No one has ever cited the dictionary definition of truth to own someone That's pretty That's a bit of a slam dunk right there. Well, I was gonna say you Slithering around this one because there's no escape It's like the one where what was it? Was it was it was it in this instance when um When somebody slammed dunk so hard that it shattered the uh The backboard that was made out of gloss Yeah, well that happens in a lot of stuff in real life. Yeah That does happen a lot of stuff I was gonna say it's it's a commentary channel staple to have the random like google definition of doxing whenever they talk about that topic so To kind of see it in my own takedown is pretty fun Truth work comes to the club truth is not a one and done.  I want seriously I'm trying to concept you do you you're in no position to lecture us about this That's what I mean. He needs a friend to tell him like, you know what part where you cited the definition of truth Maybe don't with that bit and he's like that's the thing is there's no There's no evidence that never knows best has any youtube friends So he's got nobody that he could have run this video by and imagine why not to get a perspective on like hey Do you think this is a good idea?   That's one truth per eight hours Damn, I didn't know I told the truth once. Why would I even bother doing that? That'd be out of character at that point Does this not at all feel like he has looped this several times though? Yes, we are repeating ourselves. Yeah, we're really looping. I feel yeah. Yeah, we get it. He's a terrible lying cult leader Yeah, I'm okay. What what else what else make oil snake oil anything else other than my thesis statement taken by itself without the rest of the section Emil doesn't mention a central design talk at all and at no point does he say it's very short Except the other quotes that we went over I'm sorry. He didn't say short. He said little I'm sorry That I didn't use the exact word It's a little design talk not a short one. It's a little design document not a short one lion tv Literally if the if the if the height of criticism against me is like semantic argument about language, then I feel pretty good Did it you won youtube damn What he actually says in your quote is almost the opposite but that isn't a Giant design that's not the quote. It's the other one. He talks about on the other quote not this one Do you think is the inverse of a giant design document never? If it's not a giant design document What would it what how would you describe that? an enormous one a bigly one Everything but that everything is still documented.   His wife that's Skyrim. Oh did I Because I know there was that it have you done anything since the Skyrim streamers. He just been like seething holding on Well in the Skyrim video, I would say that I categorized him in the 80 percent of bad Skyrim videos Wow, that would that would be the extent of it since the Skyrim stream. Yeah So he's been holding on to that for years now. Just waiting fighting his time to okay video on you So that gets into my theory So his issues with youtube started in september of 2021 and the next video the one that actually got affected by that whole adult Game review thing came out in november around the same time as my stream on him So that is very possible that he's associating me with all of the woes that he's having on youtube and harboring this mega grudge YouTube watched your stream and we're like, yeah, this guy made a really bad skyrim video.  I think he's mentally unwell I think he definitely needs to sort out. He's clearly got some demons that he needs to fight. Um, the sad part is Generally speaking anybody that I've wronged. I'm open to talking to you and trying to reconcile that but The full extent of how much he's lied about me has made it very difficult for me to ever entertain Talking to him. Oh, I wouldn't blame you. Yeah, I wouldn't blame you. I don't blame you And all criticism what you say still isn't even true Crazy nutrition tv will continue to prevent this by saying it's just a meme and if anyone misrepresents it What You never said it's just a meme so he's lied about you He said he said that's how you refer to it when in here you said no design doc meme, which by the way I mean not that you necessarily meant it this way, but that's become a way to describe a thing Uh meme like an event or an item. No, it's a meme is an iota of information Yeah, yeah, it's it's the literal definition of meme that people normally don't use when they say it on the internet But it is but um, he's live. It's too late. He's lied about you And that i'm saying up front that it lost nuance in my script when people parrot it Yeah, if people say over and over that there's no design document then Yeah, it lost its nuance, but that's not my fault. I said and I gave all of the evidence in the video and that's what I was talking about with the um People assuming that Emil was the lead on skyrim. I never said that but people walked away from my video assuming it was true Am I responsible for that misinformation? No because I flat out said that it wasn't the case That's their fault But again, sorry, but saying it's a meme doesn't justify it. That's not He's lost. He's lost. He's not even Yeah, he's he's gone outside and he's poking holes in the ground. He doesn't know what's going on It makes it worse because it means that you knew this phrase that you repeated so many times No, I also said lack of central design document. You included that in your montage Why would you include that in your montage if you wanted to make this point? And yes, it is a meme. I said it over and over because it's a punchline Yeah, you literally like jokes about it sometime Allowing it to spread even further. That's what memes do and that's exactly what it did And so you knew but they also get distorted over time like who posts the actual woe jack anymore versus the soy jack derivatives That have been created as a result of it True um art man All I'm having is moments of just like he's still going Still going on this. Yeah, he's really trying to bank hard on this and it reeks of desperation Well, and he's confident that he's convinced you at this point.  Yeah Guess you were lying Yep, I knew all along 4k The lie is about And this also needs to be recognized What youtubers do make mistakes and youtube? Oh Oh 40 minutes into this Finally going to clarify that you can make mistakes.  Now what's the sad violin music it's sad violin music because he's having to admit that it's possible.  See look at the model. Ha disproven couldn't do it This is something that he would say if he was super insecure about his own line Little bit anything to them other than being involved in the development of a game they dislike We don't need to hold youtubers to the highest possible standards of reporting But surely there should be at least some standards about what a youtuber can and can't say In order to get views and money. Yeah, because I got me because I got That's your angle views and money. Where's the sponsorship?  Yes, I do if if it was all about money All about money.  You can't just hold up a mirror to everything you just said Yeah Fudge against a game developer Of course patrician tv tries to use the same blame-avoiding tactic over Criticizing emil by saying this I don't feel like clarifying every single time I say his name that I think Todd Howard could have pushed back against emil's impulses Or trying to guess where the line between emil pagli rulo and will shin was Just bear in mind moving forward that starfield's problems are not to blame on one single person By account pagli rulo learns to hate design documents with fallout 3 And so his next lead project of fallout 4 went without one By the way, this clip looks like I edited together two different parts to use irony to emphasize my point But that's just an insert. You don't have to read too much into it It was different days recordings It seems a bit schizo doesn't he I didn't that's actually how his video goes Just bear in mind moving forward that starfield's problems are not to blame on one single person By account pagli rulo, but yeah, that that was in a rerecord Because I realized that like I realized with the initial version of the video that I was going a bit too hard on emil And so I wanted to put a clarification in that like yeah, he's not to blame for everything Of course not Yeah, he's only one guy A gajillion people made the game and we don't we don't have everything wrong with the game is the bad writing And we don't have a lot of information about who did what or who's to blame for what so Pagli rulo learns to hate design documents with fallout 3 But sure he got me with this one His next lead project of fallout 4 went without but boy. I'm never is really insecure about Seeming like he or being perceived as he's as if he's taking things out of context as though There weren't a billion fucking clips where it was obvious that he was taking things out of context already I feel like I've heard you say this clip though like a billion times at this point Like he just keeps playing it over and over again and pointing at you and saying This is not a very efficient video very loopy loopy and Is that really explains everything wrong with this game? No design Document we are again now that is me editing two clips together to show the irony of the original statement. Okay You cannot say I'm not blaming one person one single time Before spending hours and hours blaming one single person where the blame No, I'm sorry. You talked about the writing You only watched the first couple hours You wouldn't know what the the remainder of the video is largely just a standard analysis No, he does because he hit control f on the transcript, right? You don't mind how he how he's mathed this out is so fucking Crude he basically said like every reference to a lack of design doc in a centralized way is you saying it's a meal's fault But that's the funny part too is I front loaded all of this developer stuff at the beginning And then like it recursed in the video But the the remaining six hours that he didn't watch is not all about him all Well, no, it does as you've admitted you're not even exactly sure where responsibility starts and ends between each person But we know that they are still responsible for the game Is baked into your central thesis That's not how this works Okay, but All right, I'll keep that one. Do we want to move on now? Okay now come on now If we agree or disagree with you you repeating yourself doesn't help either of those No, it just it just pisses us off more and more You can do it, buddy. You can move on to another thing now, but maybe I'm wrong. Maybe I'm overreacting and no one Yes, you are and I've got the wrong impression Called him a cult leader. You might be overreacting a little bit Let's look at you took 40 minutes to admit that it could have been a mistake Oh, now he's gonna look at comments that relate to a meal. That's all we're gonna be doing Why didn't you look at the youtube comments on the toxin story? Pop comments to find out Quote and this one's at the very top It warms my heart to see rage against emil hands down the worst writer. I've had to suffer through Why did you highlight it? What is the only comment emil say? The essentially scrap design documents after fool out three What's funny too is his highlighting is making it hard to read because he's highlighting dark mode with Yeah, he's highlighting. Yeah, it's just white text. Why would you highlight white text with orange?  He gives vague directions Blames everyone else when those directions fail and then takes credit for what works This comment goes on for a while by the way That sounds like it lines up with what I've heard from Emil He called him a petulant manchild after the 15 part twitter thread. He says as much Yeah, you're right Yeah, like it literally just says just or is bitching on twitter Job is proof Bethesda doesn't value their employees mental health And it continues Emil's entire shtick about not using design documents earns his reputation in spades Another title of this video can definitely be why design documents are important Look, no offense to people who are my viewers, but these are just some people that got likes on youtube That's out of your control Well, but if the if the way these statements are made clear and correct is by saying why design docs that are Central are important or something like that.  It's actually insane how obviously incompetent he is There are almost 6000 comments as of me writing this and about half of the top ones About emil or design documents or both Okay, but Okay I mean, I guess that proves this point that my video talked about emil Good job. It took you 40 minutes, but This is just one video Well, then how did other places react?    Straight up lie. So damn That's the most important thing in the universe is what I picked up from this This video And what's what's more is he not only saw it read it and then ran it through like a this little thing So he saw it many times and he still chose to lie. This is the biggest lie. We've come across today.  There are so so so many examples like this Wow people on the internet commenting How horrifying And all of them of course were posted directly after patrician tv's video and not even just in the normal videos can be somewhat influential Friendly reminder that emil pagliorello went on record saying that starfield did not have a design document Design documents have a literal foundation of game design Emil pagliorello is the man to blame for writing in Bethesda games He is the one who is against design documents in Bethesda Emil pagliorello deemed starfield. Well, there's nothing. I don't care about any of these people So we're just gonna have to wait Yeah to meet a design document He claimed in a talk, but design documents were a waste of time that coupled with him whining about it afterwards Really speaks to his ego On and on and on design document design document design document design document design document design document design document design document design document Why haven't you talked about the game at all?  It's really weird Like the people thought it was good and that they thought that this guy did a good job And then when they heard no design document, they were like, oh my god, it's actually terrible Or do you think that people already didn't like the game? And then they wanted to find how this has happened. What's the reason and lo and behold they found this It's like, oh, that's interesting.  Emil Pagli Rulo had explained that there's a little to no internal documentation during development of their games Oh, even this guy included the clarification He sounds like the worst. Yeah, this guy. I don't trust this guy It is very like more like creep tosis believe that this lack of documentation is the reason why Bethesda I completely flip flops on issues like whether ghouls need food and water and fallout Given the fact that ml himself says they don't do game design documents I need to stress this point.  He it's it's the Look This is blaze's video But like he's gonna make a point that like oh, he was inspired by me. So He was not only inspired by you, but the views and money that you may you stand guilty of reading thought crime Yeah, but you were lying for money and now he can lie for money.  Yeah Jesus. Yeah, Jesus. That's the first honest thing you've said so far But at least we've come to the end of the patrician tv part of this video Oh, so now we got the the grand finale here. Oh wait wait patrician.  I most anticipated this whole video. I've been waiting for this whole night. What is that? Hang on. Let me control f here Oh my god, one hour 52 minutes. Oh, thank god. We're almost there Thank goodness. You know what chat? Chat the true the true fans who stayed you're in for a treat soon You're liars. Why don't we at least? Let's him say his closing line though after talking about his video for so long Oh, yes, and that's why I find it I'm surprising just a genuine because there's no normal reason why you would include the final part You're including the final part because you're going to build an argument on it Well, remember he he didn't watch the remaining six hours.   Absolutely the game that you deserve Well, that's a nice fine line. I suppose very punchy. Yeah, that's a good ending delivery, yeah But it does sound a little bit familiar to me. Oh, I mean it kind of sounds like something I might write I thought he was gonna say I Say it's something that he might say I thought he was gonna go the direction of like this sounds like something I'm propel patine would say I don't know what it was, but I had a feeling he'd say maybe I'd say it Because he's ramping up to some point about himself and maybe how he used to be like patrician or something No, there's no honorable parts of this. It's all it's all It's a catchy great thing to end on so much so that when we covered rebel moon I said rebel moon is the movie that zack snider fans deserve Like it perfectly summarizes Both of these projects magically well my reaction to this is to just say all right.  Then maybe it's no, it's not. I have no clue what song this is I have to play it in pieces.  Is that a bad thing though? I will rewind it for you guys.    No, I I feel like it's gotta be the idea of like the reason why the reason why I understand and can provide this analysis of patrician Yeah, there it is because I used to be him, you know I used to be him Didn't even spell Zach, right What? It's been a long day. I know my letters. Damn it What what's going on? I'm trying to it's zack. That's how you spell his name. I thought it was zak I don't know why it's been a long day All right, I'm dealing with this bullshit Oh, the efap is gonna go nuts. They got their first like almost 12 hour in a long time. We're not done yet Yeah, yeah, we've been oh boy. All right. Yeah. I thought it. What is it zac? Here's a zack. That's how he spells. Okay. All right There's an open it up many many many different ways to spell it. I thought he had I thought he had the weird way I thought I thought maybe I just associate him with weird stuff that most people don't do Because I have seen his name before I know people who have that as their first name So I guess I just associated him with that The point is this isn't important and zaks nighter sucks. Yes Although I don't understand why my voice always sounds so different every video Anyway, that's a very strange coincidence Seeing as it's your same final line and about the same subject Bethesda But for all I know patrician tv doesn't even watch my content Okay, we're not actually going I said that I thought he was going here. We're going Come on guys. Where else would he go? Well, I don't know what freaky suggested was more normal Funnily enough, what freaky suggested was still ad-hitched, but it was still more normal than this It was slightly like the door was at least a little bit on the edge. Yeah nice Except it seems that there's almost 12 hours of him watching and talking about my videos on stream Okay friend for anybody who's not quite fond of this It seems we are building the case that patrician stole his last line of saying the fans got what they deserved from This this guy. Yes, that was best And I want to say There's someone else in this call who's used us use that line in one of their videos I wait is it me? Or the cretosis It's fringy in his in-game video. Uh, oh, yeah, I think I said, yeah, I'm pretty sure I would have said that I think I had it because I think I had the jerk or the clip in there. Yeah Yeah, I probably didn't say that. I didn't know I I definitely used the joke for me Yeah, of course because it's a meme. It's a really good name Hey, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, Fringy. Did you or did you be honest? Did you or did you not watch never knows best channel fully?  Oh, I'm a little bit of trouble Um, I, I saw a Joker, I saw a Joker and he said, you get what you deserve.  So that's something he mentioned. He doesn't mention is his Outer Worlds video was only four months after the theatrical release of the Joker. Oh, right. Cause joking, wait, wait, was it? Yeah. 2019. I like it. It's like four years ago. Yeah. For some reason I thought four years ago was 2017. I know it's, it's getting old. Just enjoying that. This is real. This is really pathetic. Yes, it is. I don't even want to get over this.  This video is crazy. Unpredictable. I'd never thought that he was going to say. Well, and remember, my section's over. Yeah, but that's right. There's this little addendum feel section. But he finally admits what this video is about. But why would he even be watching a video on the Outer Worlds? No one cares about the Outer Worlds in 2023. What if he was curious? Just made a video on the Outer Worlds. He's filming it out. He's filming it out. Yeah, he's making his case or covering stuff. The music is playing the Phoenix Wright music, like when he's starting to gain momentum. He's doing this. This is madness. I'm thinking of the Joker theme. Of the it going da, da, da, da as it builds up to the big line. Or is this him dancing down the stairs right now?  We would go for longer than that. No, we may go for longer. Yeah. Oh, my God, it's almost or eight minutes till tomorrow. Oh, my God.   I can't remember very well. But we've got a person in this video claiming that's plagiarized from their video and they're currently making the case for it. He's legitimately is trying to argue that he owns that phrase. That phrase belongs to him. He was the clever boy who thought of it. How many times has Gary said that line on stream? How many times has everybody? How many times has every fellow human's like this is madness? Come on, man. Again, he's the friend to be like, we're almost there. I don't know what to do. We're almost to the best part. I don't know what to do. By the way, this isn't even the part I'm referring to. I don't even know about this. Yeah, no, it gets better. There's a point. You're going to love it.  OK, probably not a coincidence then. But it is just one line. I wouldn't want to invoke everyone's new favorite P word over something as small as that. Now, I bring it up that I have only watched about two or three hours of patrician's content and I can only recognize things that are copied from my writing because I can. He's actually this is kind of a summative video. I don't even play to this. This is a call to action. He's like, wait. So this video definitely came out after the H bomb ago video, right? Yes, I was just about to say this. OK, well, that was part of my defense deep into the video. That was part of my defense was that the renders for my Starfield video and there's proof of this were after the H bomber guide discourse had taken off. Well, I'm actually like a little bit flawed right now. I was like, you're actually going to try and make the argument that and he's doing it because it's hot topic like to go after plagiarists. He's he's he's throwing in everything that he can. Pathetic and only remember my own stuff. And I'm not even sure if I can remember all of that.   Because if I found one thing in two hours, then if you were to check all of the many hours and against. Do you know how James Summerton was exposed? It's because people were watching his videos.  All the people watching patricians, I guess all of the people that he's stolen from just haven't found it yet. But you'll be found out in due time, my good friend. The writing of all YouTubers. Then that's statistically not the most promising thoughts. I mean, I'm not saying don't trust. I'm just saying maybe you also verify. Yeah, OK, man. Thank you. Blend this now. Yeah, here it goes. Oh, and he even brings up the video. The people who borrow one thing sometimes borrow more. He hasn't borrowed anything from you.  That is that is you said you get what you deserve. And it's like, that sounds very similar. And also all of the writing in general is similar to the way that I do it. What is going on? Well, they do say imitation is the highest form of flattery. Wow.  This is not true. Don't flatter yourself. So I would never have guessed that this is where we would be ended up. If you not in a million years would I have guessed that this would all be leading up to accusations that Patricia TV is stealing, is basically plagiarizing from never know space. Well, at that point, if you thought I was stealing, why wouldn't you watch the remaining six hours? Yeah, so you can get all the references instead of that. Well, he doesn't like watching cult leading liars. So why would he do that? Seems like a snake oil salesman stuff. What if he got convinced by you after the many hours? That would be awful, because then you would have tricked him.  Well, that would be even worse. Yeah, I guess I didn't know you were such a big fan of mine. I'm not. I want one in my eyes and I've heard a lot of bad things about you. So I never felt compelled to watch anything else you've ever made.    You're like, yeah, yeah, sure is. Speaking of which, what did you have to say about? Is this it? We're here. All right. Oh, yes. This is the part. Cool. You talk about your brain. So we'll let. Should we just put your response part on instead of this? Yes, because my response part includes the part. Well, no, no, play what he played. Let's just get the chat so we know. Yeah, so we know what he's very well. So this this will be his side of it. All right, you get what's going to happen is chat will laugh and they won't even they don't even know what's on the way. They won't even know. They don't even know. Which is not true. But it is what they say. So thanks, I guess I didn't know you were such a big fan of mine. Speaking of which, what did you have to say about me?  Guys, seriously, tip, tip of the comedy iceberg. I'm not even kidding. Oh, my God, he's upset. You called him a cuck. This is all because you called him a cuck. It's all coming together. It's the missing piece of the puzzle. This is the Rosetta Stone to decipher this whole saga. It's because you call him a cuck two years ago. Never let it go. It's been simmering in his heart for years now. It's burned a hole inside of him that he could never fill. This is amazing. He needed everyone to see it as well. He's like, look, look, look at this cruelty. Cuck two years ago. And now the chickens are coming home to roost. My God, there's so much more to uncover.  Oh, my God, speaking of which. What did you have to say about me?    Oh, I guess he doesn't like me. Anyway, I'm mostly bringing this up just to acknowledge it. It seems Patricia TV is not a fan of mine, and I'm not really sure why. I've never interacted with him. So this is a one sided relationship until now. So is it time to give the full context? Yes. Oh, my goodness. We have we have to find it, because I can't I got I got your video ready. OK, you've got you've got it down to the part. Let's just make sure one five to fifties where we were. Is I suppose we will be returning. But yeah, I've got I've got the timestamp as well. All right, so in he lands, this is the liars response lying through his teeth. The cult leader with all of his snake oil dribbling down the whole video. You know what we're going to have to do. Is seven seven twenty eight is where I'm going, I believe. That sounds right. It's seven twenty five. That should do it. All right, here goes. I, who was avoiding this conversation, the last thing I want to mention is that never says I called him a cuck.  Like you have to address these allegations like an adult. You're not ready. Nobody's ready for this. Bring it on.  I'm not even kidding. Are you really? Yes, you're not ready for this. This is this was shocked to me. Speaking of which, what did you have to say about me?    Oh, I guess he doesn't like me. The context he leaves out is that it is in response to the following quote he said in his Skyrim video. I suppose now that you've stuck with me for five hours, I should admit that the basis of my ex-lover theory comes from personal experience. I love this series. The Otis Girls was like the first serious long term relationship of my gaming dating life. Why? It was the one that it understood me. Listen, this is going to be... You got to let him cook on this one. Is he leading up to a milk cuck thing? I'm just going to roll it back up. You got to let him go. Yeah, you got to let him go. Personal experience. I love this series. The Otis Girls was like the first serious long term relationship of my gaming dating life. I thought it was the one that it understood me. That of all the games that I made, it was the one that was designed just for me. I guess I was young and naive. I didn't understand that things would change for both of us. A lot has happened since those early days, but I'll always cherish those memories. I've never felt as connected to any virtual world as I did to you back then. And now I'm getting older, I wonder if I'll ever feel that way about the virtual world again. I know you've got an older too. I guess you've moved on. But I still wonder sometimes if you miss it. And I know you've achieved a lot. It's incredible really looking at how far you've come. But you had a passion back then. It was a spark. You understood what it meant to dream. And I just don't, you still understand that. I hear you're with a new guy now. One with more money than me.  What? What?  Really?  Really?  He's calling him a cuck. It's true. Oh my god.  The little weasel cuck. Cuck too long, it's big. What? What? Oh my god. What can men do against such recklessness? Like what is this? That's insane.     Really? Why would you... I hope it works out for you. I moved on too, you know. Actually, I ended up starting a YouTube channel. You never guess what it's about. And it's been going pretty well. Although sometimes the videos do get a little weird. Well, this isn't exactly how I expected I'd end this series. But here we are. Hey Elder Scrolls, if you're listening... You literally...  Leaving out the context that you set up the joke yourself that Elder Scrolls was your girlfriend who left you for a richer guy is really all I needed to hear to know that I did not need to take this seriously. The thing is, I think he was serious. I couldn't... He's the stuff that you pointed out. His analogy made him the cuck. His own analogy did that. It's not even really. It goes further than that.  It is long.  You know what? It's his love letter to life.  It's like, really? How do you respond? How do you take this seriously after this? Okay, at this whole time I've been on Team Trap. How do you not understand my perspective at this point? Like, what?  I did say that. Jesus.  He had to have to record it and to cut out that specific part. He had to listen to the context. No, I know. I'm saying that he doesn't yet feel ashamed of it though he did cut it out of the context, like you said. I've been told it's based on a real story that he's dealt with. Okay. Can we opt out of this project? I am so lost. I'm scared of the load. I'm so lost. This was not the adventure I think we all thought we were getting into. No, no, no it wasn't. Oh man, when I said this video was a five, I was... Well, what is it, right? It feels like an art film of videos at this point. It feels...  We're all changed men. Yeah, I feel like the Hobbits, when they get back to the desire. There is no going home. Life isn't going to be the same after this stream. It isn't, no one can understand what we've been through.  When we started this podcast, we didn't think this is where it would go. And this is what it's all about.  It's about family.   Yeah, you wouldn't have called out to make it look like... And we're raised into a story he told where like the Elder Scrolls series was a person whom he loved and left him for a rich and mad. I don't understand how this happened. I was not ready for that. I was not ready. I wasn't. We don't have to do anything else, right? That's that. No, as far as I know, that's it. We hit the pre-tosis and the Portraitian TV sections. Like, I feel like... Do we want to like watch the last couple minutes of his to get his final, I guess... Let's see if he can nose dive out of this. But I feel like this is a strong stopping point.   So we made a little nod off that. I feel like, is there any more cuck stuff? Any more cuck stuff, asking for a friend. Cuck. Does he put feet pics in his video? Cuck it, hell. Cuck it, hell. Cuck it, hell, yeah, that's true. Oh, I acted with him. So this is a one-sided relationship until now, I guess. That said, it is a shame because I feel this undermines my video a little bit by making it seem like this is in some way personal. It is personal. Come on. Okay, this is personal. You can't fool anybody.  I was born at night, but it wasn't last night.  You're like, I feel like something else is going on. Like, you have any reason to hate them? Like, well, they called me a cuck five years ago. But I don't think that has anything to do with it. I feel like the therapist staring at their notes, not knowing what to write. I'm just thinking about how much the next appointment is going to have to cost. So can we put this image on stream now? This is a meme that's coming up. Oh, I get it now. I get it now. Now I know the context. It's so much better. Now that I know it's real. This has been a wild ride. We have we've not done something like this ever. I feel like this is a unique episode breaking new ground. Yeah, it's a good follow up to me not talking much the last time.  And then ending with you called me a cuck. Years ago, even a good level.  So again, he's that friend that to tell him, like, Ro, if you put this in, I think people are going to think that you care a lot about this, like a lot, a lot. And you might encourage people to discover the context. And that's not good.  Yeah, bro, you should leave this buried. You see, this is like this is like a cursed mummy. You just there was just take it up. There was 12 hours of things I said about him that he could have pulled from. And this is what he this is what he grabbed. Jeez. You thought you could get away with it, but I have slain you, my friend. You are done calling me a cuck two years ago. When it's not this video is something that needed to be made regardless of who it did or didn't feature. So let's get back to the real part of the allegation and let me remind you where we're up to. Patricia TV makes a video saying everything wrong with Starfield is because lack of a design document and that Emil is the one directly responsible for this. Please put also in the summary, he called me a cuck. This idea quickly spreads amidst the community who were just waiting to be told who was really responsible for the fairies of Starfield. They have no agency, huh? And then begins getting attacked on Twitter, leading to a blocking spree. But the criticism keeps coming. So people are criticizing Emil is basically what's happening. That's it.  This is legitimately the first time hearing of there being a block wave. I thought he just muted the post. Well, are we just not entertaining the idea that someone can just post on his Twitter being annoyed that Starfield is shit? He's a public presence. We just know we know how to do that. He writes, remember, he is making a product.  People pay 60 bucks for his game.  He is not some starving artist who's just giving free stuff. He's making a product for sale. That was a collective break. What a tough thing to say. Can't do that. He's going to make another video on you. He's going to be so mad. So imagine you are Emil Pagliarulo in the situation. OK, I'll get you to hypotheticals. What would I do? Oh, it's hypothetical. I thought there should be a laugh track. What would I do? I would give a presentation where I clarified all this stuff. Yeah, classes. That's good. I would maybe start like a campaign to get a lot of good will in the community and things of that nature. Maybe show like a page of this design document. You know, talk a lot about what the workflow is. Yeah, I want to clarify some things that I said earlier that I could have been clearer on. And we do have a design document. It's kind of it's a little strange. Maybe do some interviews. I'll typically call it that. Yeah, do some interviews. If not with me, with somebody, you know, you've got something to see if you get off his chest. Yeah. And you can even go to a lot of the Bethesda. You can start off by the Bethesda shill channels. You know, you get started there, get yourself sort of, you know, used to the atmosphere and then maybe you can move into some people who are a little bit more critical. You know, warm yourself up to it.  But, you know, it's not, it's fine. You know what I mean?  This isn't like, we can have a semi-confrontational sort of relationship.  And if that product is not up to snuff, just like if a movie was written very poorly, or, you know, or a play was written poorly, then just like those people can be criticized, so can you. You're not above any of that.  This is the, this is the game you chose to play and this is just a part of it. Keep in mind, Emil won't have watched any A-Tower video on YouTube because he's a boomer with a family and a job and he's probably not interested in consuming.  Yeah, calling him a boomer with a life? Dang. Wow. I don't know about that, man. Maybe give him some credit. Maybe he'll just like, maybe he'll see, watch a stream that he doesn't like and years later. Yeah. He'll come back with a vengeance. Patricia, seven years ago, you called me a cuck. So I wrote you into a game. I wrote you into Starfield too.   Just like the rest of, yeah. I made you the shawty jack in space.  That would be the ultimate, oh, not on me, if you put me in Elder Scroll 6, but like a parody of me, that would be hilarious. That would be funny. That would mean that you won. That would be amazing. That's a win-win for everyone. Yeah. And Neil, put me in, put me in Starfield too. Sir, her second cuck allegation is at the channel. Like. It's not true.  Hate content.  And if you've Googled your name, you'll see it's even worse on Reddit. And not only that, but a lot of these people seem to be making assumptions about what happened during the development of Starfield. Not. Blaming you for things you didn't do.  He's correct about this because that's why it was dysfunctional because Emil got this discourse through a filter instead of directly from the source. Wow.   Ed, I'm asking for you to be fired or to leave Bethesda. So, what would you do? Oh, we finally get to the Twitter thing. Go on vacation. There's many things I would do.   You would do a big rant on Twitter because that's just human nature. I haven't forgotten him saying that.  I wrote Starfield. I am Starfield. She's like, okay, okay, okay, no, it's fine. It's fine. Call me a cuck. Ragged it at that point. I think he'd be saying, call me a cuck. Do it. Oh yeah, he discovers a new finish. You're repeatedly accusing me of things I hadn't done. I'd respond like getting cucked. A little bit. Emil might disagree, however. Yeah, yeah. How do you handle criticism? I've been with you for a long time. You cry? No. Do you really want to take a cry? What?  Never. Don't give him any, everyone is. Is he equating criticism to assholes? Cause if he doesn't follow this up with like, but most of the people or, but a lot of criticism isn't that.  Which I'll see. Is entitled to their opinion, right? And we realized like, so as we started getting bigger, like we realized there was this weird sort of cumulative effect with everything. When you ship 30 million copies, well 1% of 30 million, a lot of people are going to see it, right? And so if 1% of people don't like something, 1% 30 million, 1% of 30 million, that's a lot of people, you know? So there are a lot. He's desperately trying to do the math in his head and he can't. 1% of 30 million, that's like 10 people, I don't know. So that's a lot, but not, you know? A lot of detractors. And so everyone has their opinion.  Some of it is valid, some of it's not. Oh my God. There you go. So why didn't he do that? But has he actually done that though? I have no clue where this is going. Adult, stay calm and sort of, you know, try to ask yourself, is this guy right or is he wrong? Is she right or is she wrong? What are they saying about me? So you try to pick out the negativity and take the valuable information. So do I not respond to it or do I do respond to it with the valid parts? Do I do? Yeah, what's an instance of him seeing criticism and changing and not doing it again? But he also said cut out the negative, so does that mean ignore the negative criticism? Most of the criticism will be negative. No, I know. So yeah, all right. Thanks, Emil. That was helpful. And yes, you do take approach to this. So Emil believes don't engage no matter what. Let people talk about whatever they want and just accept that this is part of being a game developer for a popular series. But screeching and jet-ticking. And he also said that you should actually take on board useful criticism. I like how he was paraphrasing. He paraphrased it, so first of all, I just heard it. And he paraphrased it incomplete, like it's not even complete. 13th, six days after Patricia and TV's Starfield analysis went through. Ooh, so what's yours? Yeah, definitely. David, I'm lying, all your fault. You're making a meal out of things. That's what we call bullet points. Just FYI, Nakey Jakey's video came out on the 9th as well. And that kind of fueled like the anti-Stark. Yeah, but that's not you. Yeah, yeah. Did Nakey Jakey call him a card? He ever called me a card. Yeah. That's what I thought. Went live, Emil broke his cardinal rule and had a bit of a Twitter meltdown. Quote, one out of 15. Funny how disconnected some players are from the realities of game development. Oh, fuck, is he going to read the whole thing very slowly? And get to speak with complete authority. I mean, I can guess what it takes to make a post that's twinkie. But I don't work in the factory, so what the hell do I really know? Not a lot.  If you didn't make that twinkie analogy, things may have went so much better for you. Why, because he was wrong really now. Even if he didn't make the analogy, he was still engaging in criticalism. Can we not just address the fact that he was wrong, right, right? No, it was an analogy. He said a hypothetical and that boils never's brain. And, but is he wrong? Yes. Yeah, obviously. He's obviously wrong.  He shows a really bad example. Yeah, food is an awful. That's our go-to analogy for why this is wrong. And he did the food analogy. The fool. Yeah. Especially considering that the modern world is built on the idea that people specialize in skills that most people don't have. Yeah. I mean, what are we suggesting that, like, in this argument always works in inverse? Is there any criticism? Well, you know, if, like, I don't know, I just use a snowboard and then as like, am I well poised to tell you what is wrong with that snowboard after using it once? I'd be like, no, I'm not gonna have any clue. But at the end of the day, the only thing that matters is whether or not you say something that's correct. So even if you didn't know and you happen to say the correct thing, it doesn't change whether or not it's correct. Well, not only is that true, but there could be someone there who's been snowboarding for like 50 years, uses it once and goes, ooh, and then labels a whole bunch of things that are wrong with it. And someone goes, have you ever made a snowboard?  Yeah, exactly. And the funny thing is, if you had the man with 50 years of experience of applying it versus the man who maybe made one snowboard, who would you take, like, for the advice on which snowboard to grab? And he's like, probably the 50 year guy, I guess. Like, if we're gonna get that specific about it.  Like, that doesn't really make any sense. So good. Some players are disconnected from the realities of game development. And yet they do speak with complete authority. And some of them even have a massive platform. I get it. I'm not mad. I'm not mad at all. I'm not mad. He called me a cuck two years ago. I'm not mad. I'm not. I am not mad. Stop saying that I'm mad. I'm not. So why does everyone keep saying I'm mad? I'm not. I am not mad about the cuck comment. That's not what I'm mad about. Yeah.  I am not mad. I am not a cuck. I am not a cuck. I am not a cuck. I am not a cuck. I am not a cuck. I am not a cuck. I'm not mad smiley face. Yeah, with the tears. Yeah. Not even with the tear, just the regular smiley face, the one that's extra mad. That one, yes. But which is the one that I love with the tears? Oh, well, I like this one as well. That's a funny one. I like the crying cat one. Man, there's so many to choose from. Is it angry? Which one am I looking for? That's the one, yeah. That one and that one. Look at that guy. He is not having a fun time. I am not a cuck. So, is Emil wrong? Is Emil a cuck? Let's continue. I am going to shorten this a bit where I can, but the full version is on screen and in the source list below. Yeah, but you've been moving past it and then blurring it. So what do you suggest here? Part of me really gets it.  Correct. And there was a time I... In fact, I don't even need to abort them to complain about them sometimes. Isn't that crazy? Yeah. Exercise that right very freely. When I was writing game reviews for adrenaline vaults forever ago, I was absolutely the person who would say whatever I wanted about the game, good or bad. But throughout that time, I actually had no inkling what game development was like. No, he's going to give us the Chris Stuckman argument. Sorry, I was already aware of this. I knew people would really hard on games. Why is this something that people suddenly learn when they start actually doing it? Oh, it's hard. Really? Really?  Oh, gosh. I have books about this topic. When you walk around in the world of Rapture, I don't just go like, wow, they did this in an afternoon.    What's actually happening is the same as Chris Stuckman where you got into it. You're like, all right. I don't want to be critical of it anymore. Yeah, I got to mention this because it's the premise of the video, but I kind of already blew my load on Pat. So. Mentor, what?  Mm hmm. What are you going to say for me? I was I going to say anything? Mm hmm. I don't think so. I can't I can't remember what it was. If I wasn't going to say anything. It was in the middle of my Rapture rant. You were going to say you were saying something, but I don't know what it was. I'm sorry. No, I know I I can't remember. Well, I'm going to say something I said in my video cover tweets.  Basically, yeah, everybody works hard. If I pay 60, 70 bucks, like a 70 bucks now for Starfield, and it's a really bad game and you tell me, but we work so hard on it. I'd be like, well, I'm sorry. I mean, it's all good to admit that there are people who worked hard on Lord of Ring Golem. There are people who I mean, they say people worked hard on the Third Reich, but you know, I don't know, man. Like it's kind of staying on the payloads who making of that they don't care if it took you like an afternoon or six years and a gallon of blood. And the point the point being that at the end of the day, what people see is what you've created. And if it's good, they'll probably appreciate the hard work that you put into it. But if it's bad, that's not really going to convince them of anything. It'll be like, OK, but it's still bad, though. It's not going to magically make them think it's good. It's certainly not going to do that. And what is the point of the work and doing the work, if not for the end product to speak for itself, rather than, again, to quote, in this case, which Jackie Chan, like, are you going to go around to every theater and explain that you know, you wanted to go home that day, that you that you were tired, you know, that that you just couldn't be bothered to do to do what she needed to do. You're not going to go around and explain how you made it, because that's that's why you show the work, not a behind the scenes documentary in place of the work that you do. Juggled to bring a vision to life with constantly shifting resources. The stress. I'm not trying to change anyone's mind, but given my position, I can't not share the truth. And that truth is nobody sets out to make a bad game. Obviously, most game devs are incredibly talented. Obviously, even if the game they release isn't up to par. This is why would why would change? Is nothing. That's that's yeah, like I thought but everybody nobody, of course, people don't people set out to make good odd. Yeah.  Well, there's probably some people on Steam doing that. Oh, sure. But but it's a by and large general rule for any kind of artistic creation that people are like. Well, so this is the thing. If you were like here right now, you'd almost want to be like so you thought that everyone else thought the opposite of this or rather a large contingent of people did, right? And then he'd be like, he would say no. Necessarily, necessarily. Yeah, I am not necessarily him. So sure, you can dislike parts of a game. You can hate on a game entirely. But don't fool yourself into thinking, you know, why it is the way it is. But we can know that sometimes. Yeah, we can sometimes. And we can only speculate on it in the absence of absolute definitive evidence. Or how it got to be that way.  Yeah. Chances are.  Oh, yeah. That's something that got discovered and fixed and like it was. Yeah. A tiny little error in the coding for one of the biggest issues for why that thing. Well, you know, you know, people feel compelled to know because often it's baffling, right? Like how people are wondering what happened to destiny partway during its development, because the game that was delivered just seemed very different from what was expected and promised.   Obviously, in this case, a lot of these people would have been disappointed. People in Chasley, they misspelled tether in the code. That's the problem. It's like, oh. Oh, they have never. Jeez, so sad. Oh, unless you've made a game yourself, you don't know who made certain decisions. Who did specific work? How many people were actually available to do that work? Any time challenges faced? Or how often you had to overcome technology itself? But what's interesting about this is the the more information you have access to about the production of a thing and the more humanity you're aware of, the less you're able to actually judge it like objectively, essentially. Because what he's saying is essentially true. If I knew about all of the like pregnancies that got in the way of people arriving on set on time or injuries or the amount of effort someone was putting in, getting everything ready for everything.    And I'm like, yeah, they did.  Of course. Yeah, I agree with that. That the more like if you were going to Bethesda every week and watching them and chatting with them and talking about it, of course, that's going to make you less harsh towards it because there's a face that you put into to all of the all of the work that was done compared to if you can treat it as just like a nebulous group of people. You know, anything about. Also, he's making a point. We can only work with the information that we're given. So if people are coming to the wrong conclusions, maybe the right information just isn't out there. And I guess the thing is, is that would there be an expectation that Bethesda needs to explain why they failed? It's like, well, I mean, that's probably never going to happen. Yeah, they'd have to admit that they failed. Yeah, which, of course, you would never want to do or at least well beyond the economic utility of convincing people that the game is good. So don't give it 10 years. Maybe they'll talk about what went wrong. Well, and we do get those stories coming out about different productions. Some of the more famous ones, right? Like Apocalypse Now or what's it called?   Or wow, they really, you know, went above and beyond and got us a film. It's amazing, that sort of stuff. But I don't think it changes whether or not like the final outcome. In fact, that's kind of evident of the nature of the narrative behind the thing. People will see the suffering of people in a good artwork is like, well, they did it for a good job. But in the suffering behind something, you're like, oh, that's horrible. That's torture.   Compared to compared to again, Halo 2, where that was intense crunch. It was like, yeah, but they're made a great game, though. I mean, it's which is like, is that the way that people should feel about these things? I mean, if we're being consistent on the idea of whether, you know, crunch is good or bad, then that shouldn't have is. Remember, which is very, very glorious. It's just like, oh, well, you know, we're spider-verse with all the stuff about the animators and whatever. It's like, hey, well, it's a good movie, though. And then people would say, well, you got a stuffer for the odd and stuff like that. I think it went viral.  Oh, no, I wouldn't want to do crunch.  So yeah, it's all it's all wacky and stuff.  So, yes, love games, buy them, play them and complain to your heart's content. It's sort of the nature of a developer-player-transactional relationship.  People have come together for four years, but there are other games that are more than a miracle that are better than yours. Yeah, so it seems like not all miracles are created equal. Again, I'm not even sure what the point of that being brought up is like, OK, sure, yeah, video game development is hard, even if the game turns out bad. But then people will compare it to the games that went through that same process and ended up being good. Of course, they will. One goal to bring you fun and happiness. So it helps to remember that and then. You got to say the nerd emoji. OK, yeah, you got to you got to it's it's it's it's all roll over the hot and go. I feel like it doesn't the nerd emoji and validate this entire thing because the whole point is like, actually, just so you know, maybe you're playing in some ways is a freaking miracle in and of itself. Maybe he's just going for like, I'm a nerd and I love all of this. Yeah. No, last time he was the last time he used the nerd emoji, he was playful. Are you putting words in his mouth?  Is that what you're doing? Oh, I'm sorry. It's a bad habit. Are you culting the bad habit? I'm still learning. I'm still recovering, rehabilitating. Hots emoji. So which part is incorrect?  The rest of it just doesn't address the issue. It almost feels like he's trying to use this video as pretty chill to defend himself from something that's pretty not chill. The thing is, is that the rest of it doesn't address any specific criticisms of the game, like, basically, the point is, I didn't used to know that games were hard to make. Did you know games are hard to make? They're hard to make or chill out again. Sure. But but I mean, it doesn't address any criticism that was levied at the game.  If you wanted to stay on topic, it would be I'm tired of people who have no experience, no understanding and no real insight declaring things to be true when they don't actually know all their evidence they've been provided is outright false.  And like this video, it's a faulty assumption up front that everything else is built upon.   OK, man, I just OK. Now, obviously, in its entirety, it's not a good look. For one thing, it's too long. For another, it's too positive. You know, too long isn't even like. It's too long and it's too positive. Damn, like my issues are just the arguments. Like, you know, it's not it's not a good look. I grant that it's that long for a developer in response to getting pressure. I understand that. But if this were all very reasonable, like, hey, guys, I just want to address a lot of people of give me some some responses to realities about the development of this game. I'd like to explain a couple things. And if he actually just did, he made clear exactly what kind of design docs were used, whether central or not. And then he said, I understand a lot of people disappointed with Starfield, and I wish I could answer your questions more thoroughly. But, you know, we're working around the clock to give you an experience that we really want you to have. So I just want you to know we're working hard and I understand you're upset or not. Some people are very happy. There we are. And then nerd emoji and hot emoji. Beautiful. But remember, you know, trust, retention, revenue. Nailed it. We're going to we're going to get your trust back, which feels like a bit of a failure to read the room. But at the time was largely negative. And lastly, it's not specific enough, which allows room for missing. He didn't target Patricia and TV directly. I was actually wondering if that was what he was thinking. He doesn't highlight the important parts well enough. He didn't mention in his post that Patricia and TV called me a cuck. Emil, I defended you. So you defend me. Emil, cucks stay together. Yeah, cucks unite. But the crux of the argument is that it's OK for anyone to criticize or hate a game. Yet that doesn't mean you understand why the game is the way it is or what happened during its development. Apparently you don't know either because you hate Starfield.    Assume things and pretend knowledge they don't have has hopefully been shown already. And given how regularly Emil had been criticized based on untrue statements and inaccurate representations for seven years, it's quite easy to see where he's coming from. No, hang on. Hang on. You posted the chart that it was recent that he got hit with this. This was necessary to say after Emil hate saw a major resurgence. Resurgence and most people don't know most of this story. So let's see how people reacted. Like the most viewed reaction titled Starfield Dev Blames the players. So there is an individual that works at Bethesda.  Not a lot.   This is what I'm talking about. If Asmogold were fully aware of all the strife and sweat and blood that went into it, he wouldn't be able to riff like this. You kind of need people to be able to do this to be free to do this.  Not to say that we didn't have plenty of fun bangers in the year of 2023. We're also just a little worried about the non-bangers. Jesus.   It's like streamers that are like fixated around people feeling sorry for them for being streamers.  If you don't like it, get another job.  Nobody cares about how you feel. It doesn't matter. And it never did. And it never will. Well, maybe one day people will can. I mean, I don't think I'd go as far as Aswin Gold did because like, I mean. He's certainly an in-product kind of guy, especially with the recent thing that he got in trouble for. But that's just his perspective. Well, yeah, true. And also, I would just like the caveat I'd be adding is like, it's not that it doesn't, their problems don't matter, especially if you leave it to a general's table. It's like they certainly matter in some ways. It's just that this is all in response to people being frustrated with the quality of Starfield. It's just like, there's not, your tweets don't really address it at all. Thank God the British man stopped talking. He's coming back any second now. Kind of nice. It's like, yeah, just it's. My headache. He's already back. I can dream. There he is. I'm not sure if Aswin Gold.  Yeah. Oh, and that's actually, there's the point. I wonder if Never Knows Best would agree with the opposite take quote. Oh, I think this game is good. Do you know how little effort they put in? I bet that would be considered a bad take by him. Like, yeah, I don't think that would, if you loved a game and then you said they didn't put any effort in, I don't think that makes you go like, oh, well, now I don't like it. It's just like, it doesn't really go that way either. Does it? Like neither. I think we've talked about it before, but the certain elements of how a thing is created will have effects on how people feel about a thing, but effort? Yeah. Like if I'm playing someone I love and then someone says they didn't take much effort to make that, I don't know if that would sway me at all. I'd be like, okay. It's interesting at best, really. Yeah. But if it was run on animal blood, I'd be like, oh, oh, that's, that's bad. I don't like this. Or it was having a bad day that day, or if he feels this is a normal response. But while most reporting of Emil's tweets were far less vitriolic than this, Asmongold was still the one who truly reflected the views of the Starfield player base. No, I think Asmongold was a bit extreme in what he had to say, compared to the average Starfield team. I would be saying that it reflects it because it got the most views. Probably, yeah. It just doesn't got the most views. It doesn't mean everybody agrees with it. Well, this seems like some people would share. That's just an Asmongold problem, you know?   All the way up to heights. Wait, I thought this was Patricia's fault. No, I meant Asmong's fault. Who's fault? It's both he is. It's both he is. He got it from me. No, he got it from Emil. He got it from me. He got it from Korea. He got it from Gundam. He got it from the Redditor. He got it from Emil himself. I would also like it to be known to the jury that despite there being no mention of design documents in Asmongold's video, there certainly is in the comments. Funny how that criticism always seems to show up. Now, anytime Emil's name is mentioned online. Right, because there was something to it. Yeah. After this tweet, Fred, Emil replied to many people on Twitter, always politely. And one reply in particular came to be used a lot by his detractors to further attack him. It reads, Oh, the Reddit thread? Lol, yeah. Every so often, someone likes to dig up a talk I did years ago and misrepresent what I said. Apparently, I also don't care about full out law. True.  And have the IQ of a peanut. Okay, so the thing is, I don't know. Ryan Johnson claims to like love Star Wars. And we're all just sitting here like, Hmm. Are you sure?  I mean, if it was a life or death scenario, in your captor said, I need you to write me a good Elder Scrolls quest. Like, Just one. I don't know if you, I don't know if you'd make it. Hmm.  The fall out, Laura. Yeah. Hmm. Well, that's kind of what I was getting at. It's like, you know, you claim I don't care about it. It's like, but we're going, I don't care what you tell me. I care what I see you do.  It's on the internet. So it must be true.  Hmm. He tweets regularly, usually at least once a day. And so on December the 14th, one day after being roasted mercilessly by the entire internet, he tweeted this. The one thing I never wanted was for my Twitter feed to become mired in negativity. What was intended to be support and respect for game devs and the development process has morphed into something else entirely. Lesson learned. It's the holidays. Spread some cheer. This is a bad response. You gave a bad response. You already established that he thought that his response was bad. He said it's too long. Looks like it is a bad optics. He said it was too positive. Seems to be a positive person. Yeah. And he didn't mention that whole cuckolding thing. Most tweets are about the games he's been playing, all the movies he's been watching. Right. So again, man, it's fascinating. It's like, look at how nice he is.  Yeah. It's just... Compliments other game developers' work on all sorts of different games. That's wonderful. He talks about his wife. He talks about his family. He posts recipes of 18th century cookies. What are you doing? What is this?   Are you... Are you like a...  I don't care if he's helping old ladies cross the street. Yeah, that's the thing. Doesn't that change your mind on Starfield, though? No. It's completely irrelevant to Starfield. I never thought Emma was a bad guy. I just don't like Starfield. That he banked. Yeah, I'm sure. And so on. I'm sure ML is a very nice guy. I don't have anything against him personally.   I'm sorry. It's just the way it is. Yeah. Well, I've advocated for two solutions to this problem. One is to demote him.  Wow. And Fallout can say it when I say that, but... He's sacrificing Fallout to get rid of him. Yeah, I mean, you know, we're amputating the infected limb there. I see how it is. Yeah. He also comes off as kind of goofy. Yeah, he is. He's too openly into nerd culture in a way that seems uncool. It's true. He's too openly into nerd culture in a way that seems uncool. I just don't understand that coming from this guy. You know what I mean?   And too positive in a way that feels out of place when a website usually so infused with cynicism and irony. I would say he seems like a well-meaning and slightly out-of-touch boomer. And I'm good for him. He's still made Starfield.  Don't mean that negatively. He's not always positive though. A few weeks before he was attacked for being an entitled game developer, he tweeted about how much he's been struggling with grief after his sister unexpectedly died of cancer.  This is so inappropriate. Is this your diet of cancer, then sad violin? See, why are you being mean to this game developer? Why are you using this guy's grief as a weapon in this situation? Yeah, that's what's really...  Yeah, I don't know about this one. I'm just gonna say that hits a little too close to home on that one. That's pretty...  This is a normal person. Now, I don't know...  I don't even... You didn't need to give me the cookies and a dead relative for that.  Emil Paglia Rulo. And so I can only judge him based on the things he has said and wrote online. The thing is, that's also true for everyone else. Maybe he's not a good person. Except that fucker patrician. But just as I do not truly know this, that's the same for everyone else. We can only judge the evidence. I'm sorry, I don't think anyone here is saying he's a bad person. I don't know what this has to do with anything. Yeah, he probably should work on the criticism stuff and things like that. But he doesn't seem like a bad person. He just seems like he's really bad at writing stories and video games.  Well, you're liars though. Ah, palable. And within that evidence, there is nothing here, or anywhere else I have seen, to suggest that this man is in any way deserving of hate. Oh my god. It's not about him being a mean man, it's about him being incompetent.  I'm sorry, we can't get rid of that problematic police officer, he's just too nice of a guy. I don't even know what to do with all this. He feels like he's made a very grand point here, as though if only he were kind of like, if he kicked some kid at some point, then he'd be deserving of all that Twitter stuff. I'm not sure where this connected. Yeah, it's such a weird misreading of what seems, it's about like his work on a video game. That's it. But then it's like he's misunderstood it, as if like everybody hates him on a personal fundamental level. So, this is so weird. And I have looked for evidence. Yeah, like that as well, like oh, looking for evidence of him being a bad person?  Did to see some examples of elitism, or antagonism, or petty arguments, or things that seemed egotistical from Emil. And often when people develop a negative reputation online, they do play at least some part in creating it. Are we done? I'm kind of like... Where did you go from here? Why are we throwing, what is the... So I get the motivation of the, you know, the patrician stuff.  The Kratos stuff, I don't know. But it probably ties in with this bit here, this Emil defense. Like he's actually his friend or something. Where is this coming from? What's going on? Where does this fit in the team trap? I don't know, man. I don't know, to be honest. I don't have a clue. I just realized that we are 8 minutes off the 12 hours. Oh, well then we gotta wrap up. I mean, yeah, we got... I would rather call it that. We can just call it here. We're starting to bring up, you know, dead sisters and piano music and it's like getting like, okay, this is getting a bit out of whack. Well, most of it is just repeated information anyway. And then him saying he's a nice man, so stopping mean about him and his game, which is just not a thing. A lot of repetition. So, good video. Or the best video. Yeah, 7 out of 10. Anyway, someone said you guys haven't gone to the defamation pot. Oh yeah, he does say I defamed him like at the very end. Like he... Like calling him a cock? He's not acting. No, he defamed Imel. It's at 2, 12, 51. Okay, if we... For quick, yeah. Just skip there. Oh, and by the way, PatriciaTV, you like research, so some advice. It might be worth researching something called defamation.  Because the case against you seems rather strong and almost everything that's usually so hard to prove you have provided evidence of already. The sad thing about this situation. Why aren't you looking to dignity? It might be a dictionary definition. What does that say? I love the thought of an Aswin Gold clip being admitted as core evidence that I defamed Imel Paglia Rulo. Question is that I don't think something like that would ever actually happen because as far as I can tell, Imel Paglia Rulo is just not that kind of guy.   Like he said as much the day after this video came out. Defamation. Alright, we're done. Let us now with the remaining minutes we have talk to chat about the wonderful guest we had today who stayed for a record breaking, 12 hours, I say record breaking, not necessarily, but probably for you guys actually, individually.  I've done my own 12 hour stream. Well, we appreciate you doing it on our show. And for what is a grueling video, that was a... That was a campaign. Yeah. Well, hard. Different changed people after all of that. I think this one will be remembered for some time, especially a particular part of it.  Yeah, it has to. But yeah, well, we'll start with good old Kratos' why don't you tell chat all about you, what you get up to and where they can find you. Yeah, I do long videos on video games. I try to do the analysis thing. I've mostly covered Bethesda stuff so far, but I don't want to get stuck doing only Bethesda stuff. I've also done a video on the New Saints Row game, which obviously was a 10 out of 10. And I'm working on my Starfield review and analysis action, who knows how long the analysis will take. And I do gaming streams, as mentioned earlier, but I'm a Vtuber. So, yeah. Evil, evil. Pretty bad, yeah. Yeah, pretty bad. You also have the Stag show, correct? Yeah, the streams I do with my friends, I don't know how I forgot about that. He did more promoting of that than you did. Yeah, well, we do a similar thing as EFAP there, where we cover videos. We're not doing them regularly anymore. We're going to try and be more selective and pick videos that are actually worth covering instead of doing it just for the sake of doing it. So, yeah. Well, I mean, that was a good selection of your interaction call. I feel like they will know to subscribe if they want to get more of what they've experienced today and links are in the description. Thank you for having me on. It's much appreciated. Thanks for coming. All right, Patricia and TV, we don't really know much about you at all. Right after this, I make defamatory claims where I lie about gaming time. No, I do the long form thing, and in between long form videos, I do short form videos, mostly talking about games. I'm not originally in the Bethesda space, but my next long form thing is going to be on Classic World of Warcraft. Ooh! I'm quite excited to do it. I have even more sources on this project than I had on any of my Bethesda videos, so I'm quite looking forward to it.  So, instead, I'm just going to say, that sounds exciting, wonderful, collecting all such information and putting it together in a coherent way, in a quick way. I gotta get out of here.  At least you're honest about it. Well, like I said, thank you so much. We got links to your channels and the videos you've made specifically responding to these. They're good to check out. If you want an extra context. This was an appreciated response. Yeah? We want so many people to be able to get through this thing. Though, tell your friends, there's a golden nugget in there if they wait long enough. That's right. There's a nugget, alright. Yes, before we go. Fringy rags, anything you guys want to say? No, nothing I'm ready to announce quite yet. Yeah, I'm just working. Though, probably not right now. I think I might sleep. Yeah, well, what I was going to say is, what is it, 12 hours till our next DFF stream? It's been booked, unfortunately. Oh, yeah. So, I'll give you an update on the next one in terms of just stuff that's going on. It'll be the same now as it is then. So, no worries, but I'd rather hurry to get into sleep so that we can wake up. No need to tell you what it's about. But, it's about something that's happened recently. So, you guys are going to love it. It's actually gaming focused, if anything. It's going to be a nice toky one and hopefully we'll keep it to under 12 hours. I would say that'd be nice. That'd be cool. Yeah, I'm feeling it. Until then, thank you all for watching so very much. We shall see you on the next thing, whatever it may be. But for now, goodbye. See you later, everybody. Bye, bye. Bye, bye. Oh, my goodness.