t well somebody that smokes all the time in virtually every scene is smoking probably a chain smoker so let's see oh that's kind of interesting on my bedside table I have a gun I have a phone I have a notepad I don't smoke though but if you did but if you did if I did smoke I would probably well I wouldn't smoke inside because it's a rental so but yeah I mean it phoned a gun so it's got not unreasonable at all unless oh I mean I mean got my apartment dee can't have things oh I've got my chapstick over there airbands airbags we got you and your soggy waffles I will say that I am a waffle man myself this dog likes waffles I prefer waffles to pancakes that's me that's me but this is incredibly cute I do love me some soggy waffles though even though I misprue it in second grade and every soggy waffles is there like a critical point of sogginess that you can't go past like saturation down to a percentage if it just turns into mush or you're like no at the point where you have to eat it with a spoon I would imagine as long as you could still eat it with a fork you could even cut it with the fork if you could use the fork to you know cut it into smaller pieces for yourself before the coronavirus before the before the beer happened parents and I go to waffle house and Friday mornings plenty of soggy waffles there dee lish I do love my soggy waffles though I hope this isn't you from this this is a joke that only rags and I will even get can me idea anyway yeah so sorry so his criticism is how ridiculous that you have things in your shop that imply whatever characteristics about a character that's bad the resentment that's been building in the city for weeks seems close to exploding the movie seems to have decided that the main issue going on in Gotham right now is the resentment between the hams and the have nots but that's only after Arthur killed the guy in the subway what do you mean that's only after Arthur killed the guy in the subway the film opens with this on the radio and this is sparked off a wave of protests like this is the the match that lit the powder keg does he not know how world war one started everything's falling apart and then they finally have someone to blame basically as soon as he does that and each side has someone to blame if you will and then it doesn't help because Wayne is like lol clowns and then they're all like motherfucker I don't fucking own that shit I'm gonna dress up as a clown and then I'm gonna burn it down I'm gonna burn it down up until then the news was mostly about the garbage strike and the super rats now suddenly Gotham is a powder keg over a subway shooting that really doesn't symbol so okay so if you have super rats who do you think that's affecting more or less who do you do you think that the rich clown up in wall street as we've established do you think he's dealing with the super rats probably not do you think he's having to deal with the garbage strikes probably not who do you think that's really hitting and who do you think they're getting frustrated at who do you think is getting frustrated at when the social programs are cut who do you think gets annoyed when those things go down and medication is unavailable I'm sure it's all of the everyone whatsoever it's there's no divide that's happening there slowly that gets crystallized by a fucking event that has three rich people just saying it's also almost as if these people are attributing meaning to this the shooting and they've used it to justify their protests you know this is what we were saying earlier it's like this criticism of people who can use an unrelated act to justify really shitty behavior on their own part just because they're pissed off hasn't this also followed when Thomas Wayne said also that their clowns and they you know they haven't made something of their lives you know what he has so it's already had the rich and great the elite and all that well you know talk shit from the ivory tower kind of thing the media have already turned it into a rich versus poor from that event when nobody really knew that was actually what was happening like a poor guy killed three rich guys how fucked up is that they're all clowns stop it but no it came out of nowhere it's not even for a second they go oh was it self defense or anything because what do you mean be a question of them why would they attack a poor person why would they do such a thing yeah what was the struggle between rich and poor at all really how this incident became a spark and some sort of Gotham class revolution isn't earned by the movie at all wait what was the one before that he basically said yeah he didn't earn it's uh the class war yeah the all the newspapers accelerating the news and it's on the tv stations and people talk about it and it is like it's totally great democrat is called republicans cough cnn i agree with several people in chat all you can say is okay okay alright then oh boy clown kepai wane street but also where are they all getting these masks however many stores in Gotham had them why would you say surely they did do you not think that the manufacturers of these masks manufactured more than a couple in order to make oh i don't know a profit i feel like this got started all the way back when the clown shooting happened people were starting to pick up masks this is the little thing called supply and demand may have heard of it we're not seeing billions of masks we're seeing a selection of people wearing masks in the audience for all we know the shops are running out they're like oh my goodness so many people want these clown masks most people do not i can see seven actually i can see seven masks face paint how could they possibly get face paint yeah i see i see six in some face paint at least in v for vendetta v mailed them to everyone which is preposterous sure but not as preposterous as all what this so every citizen is not as preposterous as several people buying masks okay okay i love the idea that we just have this deleted scene that's like oh my god so many people are buying these masks bob we should get a we get an order in for more masks oh okay jimmy beep boop on his computer they're tapping it fleshy's over to a factory and they're like oh shit there's so many orders coming in oh my goodness there's so many orders a boxed up, sell a tape sent over they open them and then loads of people come in and collect them we're like oh thank goodness plot hole filled well you see they're porcelain they're porcelain masks that have been made with the finest of movies the fires the triangles they're very rare it makes it ridiculous absolutely ridiculous they can get that much the green hair uses pigment of crushed up hummingbirds flown in from the Himalayas what you're absolutely correct jeremy give it a sin give it a sin it's ridiculous you nailed it it's gonna be the suck crush up rubies and marble mortars and pestles and sprinkle them on the noses of each clown mask all the stores have hundreds of this mask and stock just in time for a protest movement it's not just in time it's been a while now it's been building and different people have been buying them at this didn't happen over a couple of hours I don't even know how long movie time has it been since he killed those guys probably a couple of weeks I'd have to watch it again to know but we've got plenty of time to work with at least also why are you complaining about people getting fucking clown masks like why come on it's gotta be something else anything you know significant yeah look the sign says clown for mayor and thomas wane called them clowns this is a reaction to thomas wane's tv appearance and if you were a capitalist shop owner spotting that you've just ran out of clown masks and all this clown stuff's going on guys let's get in more inventory crank up the price by 10% done it looking at a raging forest fire a massive conflagration in the woods and being like that couldn't have started with one match no but why would you invest money in more masks when you're going out of business what if this saved the business thank you so much thomas wane for calling them clowns you saved our business almost like both are playing it this way the cops get distracted almost immediately once Arthur arrives he's able to get past a barrier well hang on he's been there for who knows how long exactly he's walking through the crowd yeah but you know we could easily have skipped to when he sees an opportunity he clearly tries to sneak past once you know distraction happens which is inevitable because these people are extremely angry is he expecting the film to be four hours long so he's two hours of fucking Arthur meandering I want to see him on every subway every subway I want to see every single place he goes okay go down every step you know without anyone seeing him find a conspicuous guarded and unlocked door and make his way inside the rich people's gala um yeah it's it's relatively easy from to do all of this I think the it probably would have been harder had it been 100% realistic but it's not impossible it seems like it's a stretch at most well I think once you're past the police barricades outside there's gonna be less security to worry about if you theoretically get to the you know the employee area you'll probably find a place with his costumes to put on the uniform um and then you pretty much golden like you pretty much made it at that point I don't know why the door would be locked by default that particular door but also if the police have to get in and out of the building it should be unlocked for them as well and we are talking about a time where security is just less and significantly in general yes this is a pre-911 world arthur copies cinema since chris and tries to pose as an usher to get inside an auditorium let chris tell you from experience the people in charge of all the ushers at a place like this will notice you walking into an auditorium and did chris work as a as an usher in 1970 I don't know man seems like it'd be a different world because as someone is like I feel like different places have different levels of security and I feel like certainly from the back especially if you're focused on the film and you see an usher walking down you know away from you you're not going to notice oh this particular usher doesn't work here maybe it's not one you've seen before maybe so much that we don't know this is not unreasonable that he puts this on and can flip around for just a few moments while he looks for people and they will come and ask you what the f*** you are doing and they will kick you out if you tell them a bull*** story he is 100% blocking someone's view here I'm not sure I'm not sure I'm just standing in the aisle like f*** you are doing and they will kick you out if you tell them a bull*** story he is one what yeah whose view exactly maybe the guy furthest at the back on the aisle but even then yeah uh yeah I don't know maybe but uh clearly not enough for the person to be annoyed he's blocking the camera man's view I guess yeah how rude asshole 100% blocking someone's view here why would it benefit for a mayoral candidate but why is that a movie sin I don't know Arthur being you know a little non-self aware cause I really care why is that a sin because if it were good the guy would have gone hey I can't see who are you and then he gets exposed by the way there you go Charlie Chaplin Films how does this in any way connect to your campaign for mayor only just enjoying a movie doesn't necessarily have to also notice they have a live orchestra there to do music then I tell you that no theater randomly showing Charlie Chaplin Films would sell out to predominantly old white it's not randomly showing it it's not red there were banners on the outside yeah this was the piece it's a Wayne building isn't it this is owned by Thomas Wayne even where I live they do events where they show old movies and the theater is like a throwback kind of night like those are advertised on the radio and stuff and if you go back 20 years or 40 years then what's unreasonable about this like again you could see a live if you said hey they're gonna be showing old Charlie Chaplin Films or even old Tom and Jerry cartoons but there's gonna be live sound effects in a live orchestra it sounds interesting I mean I go to the orchestra every once in a while this is part of the drive to be mayor this is gonna be amusing he's gonna be getting the rich and the influential Gotham inviting them to this gala that he's gonna be putting on in a building that he owns you know my old nice orchestra Charlie Chan you know all very refined I think he's afterwards Charlie Chan Charlie Chan number two son he's gonna come around there it could be Charlie Charlie Chan and then afterwards they're just gonna schmooze and he's gonna try and get money off them probably for his mayor campaign yeah it's fundraiser you want to donate to me as mayor well it's like a luncheon where it's a thousand dollars a plate or whatever this is not a new concept the old white men in tuxedo's either it's set in the 70s 80s yeah 70s 80s yeah yeah I'm just gonna roll it back because I want to hear it out again because it was odd to me let Chris tell you from experience the people in charge of all the ushers at a place like this will notice you walking into an auditorium and they will come and ask you I don't accept you as an authority of how this theater it doesn't matter anyway he said they will do it he didn't say how fast who knows they may have done it just didn't do it right at that moment see any other ushers no that's what I mean I would say he can't say they forever well he's not there for that long it's a couple of minutes at most yeah he's in and out I will kick you out if you tell them a bullsh**t story he is 100% blocking for a mayoral candidate show old charlie chaplin films so why would a benefit for a mayoral candidate show old charlie chaplin films so the question should be well it shouldn't even be a question it's a mayoral benefit for a candidacy they're also gonna be showing a film why where's the problem what film would connect more to his campaign for mayor what should it have been instead taxi driver something to entertain them should they have filmed a film because charlie chaplin is famous as f**k at this point right so this is just something fun for them to do I don't understand why it has to be more than that how on the plane can it how on the plane can it your campaign for mayor if you tell me this is just a theater in the same building where are they playing commando and so then he moves on to say oh it's just a theater in the same building nobody's why are you where are you going right no jeremy has no idea that this building is actually wane's building he's got no idea at all he just thinks they turned up at the f**king cinema because he's a moron this is the wane building he's schmoozing he's a fundraising he's putting on a show for people my god and I'm sure there's other rooms where they can go for buffets and drinks and talk and this is the main event that they're all here for is to enjoy a theater experience with everyone else but no it has to connect to the mayor's campaign directly weird people used to like going to the movies especially if it's a high class sort of thing like this is probably treated like also this might not actually be a movie theater if there is a live orchestra here this could be a concert hall that they're showing a movie in little did you know his friend isn't usher so he would know better than you oh okay no theater randomly showing Charlie Chaplin films would sell out to predominantly old white men although I really don't understand that point I don't think they care who they're selling to surely surely if it is Charlie Chaplin films surely it's most likely to sell it to older people who remember Charlie Chaplin more than like teenagers in the 1980s also this is like a high class affair yeah Charlie Chaplin isn't like a low brow thing look at this theater it's a classic of the cinema and again this might not even be a this could be a concert hall if they're just projecting a movie onto this is called Wayne Hall the building is called Wayne Hall I've just checked so it could be used for multiple different functions why does everybody want me to notice the J's everyone's everyone's atting me what what about the J's J for Jeremy we demand J as his birthright to respond to cinema sims basically it's just lots of J's okay Joker just happens to be here in the theater which has the house lights mostly up right now during the presentation of a film C Thomas really doesn't bug people though and they're not that distracting are they they're like mood lights yeah it's not exactly very bright also these lights are behind the people so they don't even see them and the orchestra kind of needs lights to be able to see the music that they're playing yeah for the orchestras to see that if there's a good chance they would actually get outside helping as well for this specific event attempts yeah absolutely temp agency in the sea of people with his binocular vision then Wayne happens to need to f**king pee so Arthur can confront so spotting him shouldn't be too difficult enough time you just look around he knows what Thomas Wayne looks like secondly the idea that Thomas Wayne goes for a pee sure in fact I'm probably going to take a pee break here myself well that wouldn't make sense that's way too convenient yeah I already had one oh well slipped away when you guys see if episode poorly written rags wouldn't just happen to go for a pee the second that we cover a video talking about how someone conveniently went for a pee that's ridiculous now all I can think about is pee in and Niagara Falls and Noah's Ark Noah's Ark all right go pee so well this is going on I conveniently went for a pee came back in Avenue damn that's made up that's a retcon that could happen it's crazy world's f**king mental but yeah the idea like unironically that Wayne's going to go pee I'm just like I'm okay with this he's fine with me yeah so a pretty good video so far so I'm really making me rethink my position on Joker being a pretty strong movie I think actually it's not very good at all I'm waiting for the bits where he actually like he actually hates it like really vague or dumb s**t like what is the bit that you really hate that made you hate this film well he said he liked it all this is the greatest movie he's ever hate yeah why because he's a twat because he's just making videos like this for clickbait because the movie was popular then he gets him money well he'd be better off if he you know you would have thought that he would have made cinema wins before cinema wins made cinema wins I'm just going to look because I'm curious to know what the ratio is on this video oh yeah it's probably high I feel like his audience would be happy with this oh actually it is 82,000 upvotes and 23,000 downvotes damn that's pretty bad all engagement and if you look at the top comments a lot of this is disagree with him hey good for you cinema sins fans good for you look at this I can't imagine someone awkward at comedy getting a late night show Jimmy Fallon exists that's what you say I like this one the sea day was in watching this movie was uncomfortable ding well he has given sins for his own mistakes so there's no there's exist cinema sins I'm going to end this man's career cinema sins fans wake up people don't let him convince you of tisms make him do better videos because he can surely right alright kicking on money on making videos when he's trying to make money for a billionaire that is currently running for mayor do I convince that right why would they be security in the bathroom that'd be weird I mean I'm not saying it's impossible just I feel like that'd be odd do you have a safe been out there just just you know come in and watch him piss they could just be by the door outside plus yeah yeah like he's meant to be schmoozing for his mayor campaign like surely the last thing he would want to be security all around him like he wants to be accessible to his potential donors yeah p so Arthur can confront him in the bathroom where there is no security for a billionaire that is currently running for mayor do I convince that right great so in addition to mental illness we can also blame adoption for his eventual staff in life of crime alright this is it this is it right this is it Thomas Wayne did fuck Arthur Flex mum but then she adopted the child to say we've had a baby it's possible that's what it means what what what in addition to mental illness well I'm surprised you're not more outraged by this statement he's saying the film is saying that because he was adopted that led to his snap like as if the film is saying adoption bad watch those orphans man I mean we've cautioned chat about orphans before that is true but I'm pretty baffled by this conclusion here honestly but in the hospital in the next scene it's established that he was heavily abused by her boyfriend I was going to say it wasn't the adopted nature itself that's not the problem the problem was that his adopted mother allowed him to be essentially tortured that that is I personally I think that's the part that's the problem not the adopted part the adopted part not as much of an issue as the tied to radiator naked and bleeding that in my opinion also abused though and quite clearly mad the film is clearly saying that's because she adopted someone adoption in general is just bad I'll turn you nuts bad adoption drive a knife into that child it's an addition to mental illness we can also blame adoption for his eventual snap and life of crime the movie is pretty mostly set in 1981 but Wikipedia tells me answering machines weren't widespread until about 1984 which means Arthur is not only an early adopter but spent a fortune on this device holy shit bro alright so cool story yes he got a he got an early answering machine I guess alright if you are not only in a cloud agency where work is underway and you are trying to do stand up where you will need to be called if you are going to be people are going to pick you up an answering machine is actually the perfect kind of thing he would get for both of those things but Jeremy doesn't like that idea so a fortune he and his mother do not have why not just have a detective also why would you assume that the idea of he has like a really low paying job but he's able to sustain himself in here this place surely has enough money to eventually save it for an answering machine that's not too much of a crazy thing to assume yeah they clearly have food and they can pay their rent I mean I don't know it doesn't seem too ridiculous to me and the house also just because they weren't widespread doesn't mean they were necessarily expensive anyway he could have got a shitty answering machine they maybe just weren't widespread because people didn't understand the utility of them or they hadn't thought to get one yet they were impossibly expensive he didn't have to buy one brand new that's not necessarily what happened who knows where he got this one from maybe it was a friend where he worked maybe it was one in the place he worked they got a new one and he was like can I buy that off you who knows why does it have to be the answering machine so in the 1980s it looks like they could be things like the duo phone TAD114, 112A 111A looks like you could get them for in 1980s money $180 so about $518 today you could have stolen it well you could have stolen it it could have been somebody bought off a friend it could have been a gift that's kind of what I'm getting at you could eventually save up for it and you can consider it a luxury item but it's the kind of thing he would desperately want considering his job and choice of well, desire for career and again it's $520 hour maybe 180 of his pawn shop a closing down sale a musical store yeah it doesn't cost a fortune like calm down what is this suggestion by the way he says why not just have a detective leave a note on the door with his business card when he stops by earlier oh actually hold on demon horns he said no it's a plot hole so well no inference allowed we know that it's a luxury item we know it costs a lot of money and let's this is a fantasy city and a timeline that isn't a real one wouldn't be my first defense of it my real defense is that even in the real world they weren't that expensive like calm down but we're basically the cost of a video game console we're not saying $500 isn't a lot of money it's that you could theoretically save up $500 today yeah like this is $500 modern day so you guys imagine buying something that's $518 that's how much these days yeah 1980s cost today's value is $518 so like a new console comes out you buy the console a couple games an extra controller that's it I'm not gonna say equivalent detective leave a note on the door with his business card when he stopped by earlier I'm confused about the detective comment what does he mean it was an alternative they should have used like instead of him having an answering machine there are all other things he could have done it's like yeah they could have done those other things oh so because this message is about his mother right in the hospital they want to speak to him so they're saying he could have just left a note well but yeah I would just be like but there's no need and we need the answering machine for later as well when he gets contacted by the Murray show people no this is the detectives courting up saying we've missed you we want to speak to you right so honey he's saying the solution is leave a note but you could have everyone leave him notes through his door I guess but I would just be sitting there again like we have reason to assume that he'd want an answering machine and we have use for it in the story so so Arthur does not have a color TV does he in the living room is it black and white I can't remember if it's black or white or color because I saw this same page saying a color TV today's value was 1150 so I'm just curious well we'll find out do not have why not just have a detective leave a note on the door with his business card when he stopped by earlier why do you have to anachron antagonize me because he's doing it subtly a white guy said to a black guy if it were legal I'd have voted for Obama for a third term from get out like I said I can't release these records oh I didn't oh I didn't view that in a racial context my bad what did Arthur say yeah I hear you brother oh that's okay that's racial failure why do you have to anachronize me yeah I hear you brother cringiest line a white guy said to a black guy yeah white guy didn't have a problem with it I'm going to say this to other white guys I've heard it I've heard it in the wild I've seen it on documentaries about white people yeah but he says brother to a black guy the whites and here is a white guy isn't the whole point he's socially awkward isn't that like a stuff that would also tie into it yeah now in a fucking half now ding like I said I can't release these records I don't get the last bit I don't get the last bit I don't understand the last bit what but you can go get them out of the basement and read them to him they have to have a copy of the fucking documents you knit with if they give out copies of the if they give out the documents then they don't have the documents anymore yeah they have to have a copy record keeping purposes you can't give them out you need the original copies that's the point this is stupid yeah well I can't really buy Arthur somehow wrestling this file away from Carl since he's a hundred pound weakling reaching through a slot and Carl seems like he has a much better grip yeah Arthur's grabbing it he's got way better leverage than this guy does he's got a full grab on it and it was a surprise where he took this guy off guard and then if you remember it ends because Arthur head butts the wall and it freaks the guy out so yeah as he runs with the records to freedom I can't help but realize how little security this place has I wonder if criminal evil people ever break out of here if the building has security the security has to know that there's a problem security has to be notified then security has to go to a specific location in order to catch this person who's already bolted off security is not just going to be standing randomly around the hallways also the people who are like around and not handcuffed or anything they're the ones that are already like they wouldn't be that way if they were dangerous like yeah there's not a security guard at every door of every corridor of every level of this hospital you're right what a psychiatric hospital have a copy of her adoption certificate I'm not so this is tied to a whole case yeah it's like an important aspect of her life surely that's relevant to her her ongoing treatment yeah like that's where you see her birth date unknown so the idea that they would have that in there because her case is all about having been with someone who physically abused her and her adopted child like this is proof that she was adopted like why wouldn't that be in the case file I don't know unless someone who's an expert with the asylum records could tell us otherwise I would assume that this is a part of it so I'd say Joker is I don't know I don't know would be 30 to 40 still saying it definitely wouldn't I'm just wondering why Arkham has a file that seems to contain this woman's entire life's details relevant details I mean it has the records of her being here and the records of the adoption that she had which seems like it would be important information it's just fascinating to me that it's hard to understand why they would need all these important details to create a case for exactly what a mental state is what does this guy think like records are I don't know like I didn't put it on the iPad like you this is the whole point you save information damn there were a lot of newspaper articles about this one incident doesn't got them huge what it's quite a horrifying event that any newspaper would be willing to cover also this happened 30 years ago so you'd have for all we know that is all of the coverage so in the 1950s you know this probably was a really big deal of all the things to pick up on house of terror yeah man why did you why is that well what are they they put this in every single you must have this all the time you know a house with a wife slash girlfriend an adopted son tortured against irradiated by some horrible abusive father that must happen every day so of course they would cover it every day just as reference as well it mentions that he's 3 years old when they recovered him does that put him at 33 then 33 well we know now interesting there you go 33 years old such a long running story do you want to get committed because if you had 15 years to bring Wayne and then you add 15 years now to Arthur Fleck Arthur Fleck would be the same age as Joaquin Phoenix as when Batman comes around so boom there you go oh my god we did it guys we figured it out we've done it darewell of a psychiatric hospital after stealing private records that's how you get committed and I want to as chat pointed out this doesn't look like it's front page stuff and we don't know if this is a local newspaper or if this happened in necessarily Gotham city there's multiple newspapers there's multiple newspapers still today Arthur continues to find unlocked doors around a town wait did you say that Joaquin Phoenix was 58 were you trying to say something else 48 it would be 48 I was just curious he's he'd still be 33 plus 15 oh yeah you're right that is 48 so it's 3 years older than he currently is but if this movie was made 3 years from now it would be 1 to 1 yeah he'd be there and there about his current age so you know there'd be nothing weird about him looking the way he looks they wouldn't have to age him or anything linear time is cool linear time wait sorry what was that sin I can't miss any of these they're so insightful she forgot to lock her door oh really? that's how you get committed yeah she didn't lock her door alright the movie tried to tell you that it was but now that it's admitted lying to you what do we do with this now everything we've seen Arthur experience is called into question because of this Tyler Durden moment are there people not lying it's revealing yeah like the first time I watched this this was a reveal to me and then I looked back and was like oh they lied yeah I watched the joke for a second time and I know I was being lied to did the murders even happen did Murray really put his stand up back on the air did he really invite him to be on the show I guess we're supposed to think just this is a lie just what's a lie in case you know we're supposed to question all of it and that's fine it's open to interpretation yeah but I think it's reasonable to know that some of this stuff probably really the subway murders probably actually happened they have very lasting and consistent consequences to characters that are not around Arthur what Arthur hallucinated Thomas Wayne and Wayne's I'm getting killed I would just base it all on the way they frame all of it so that opening hallucination when he's with Murray is like this very deliberate it's almost like him just having a fantasy to himself this and they're very blatant they're like it's all the flashbacks with her and then the end I think there's plenty of room to be like I wonder how much of that is real him in the hallway with the bloodied feet and whether or not he whether or not the Waynes were shot but like the rest of it seems to be pretty I don't think it's about him wanting them dead necessarily yeah I've always assumed that's what he finds so funny is that how this all turned out in the end as a result of all of the pain that's been provided to him right like it all flips around and he's to have been so jealous of Bruce's life only to now have the end of the film has Bruce ending up in a position not too dissimilar from jokers in this movie as well just a complete tragedy well it's pretty unclear exactly what his position is on any of this anyway because obviously he's going to be going to the whole they're too over it with this reveal boo because that's what everybody does who doesn't wants to criticize this film basically didn't know that this relationship doesn't exist here's a highlight reel of all the stuff we wasted our time on to properly hammer you over so I'm pretty sure I'm pretty sure Evan like didn't know that this relationship doesn't exist here's a highlight reel of all the stuff we wasted our time on to properly hammer you over time I'm pretty sure Evan like made a tweet about this it comes to I think 11 seconds or something like that so think of all the YouTubers who went criticizing Joker fucking just rag on this particular bit like 11 seconds holy moly how did you survive did you leave the theater were you so insulted Evan says 9 seconds oh 9 9 seconds 9 seconds I'll never how did you yeah how did you deal with that guys well I've seen Joker three times so that's 27 seconds oh my god over the hip I think the more interesting part about that scene is did he kill jasmine's afterwards and the daughter because I don't know he does I think you say you think he would have I think he does yeah I think he kills her and he kills the daughter because he puts the gun he puts the gun to her head but look at his face it's when he first did it to her when she when he first met her it was all jokes but then when he puts it in to his head he's looking at her as if she's betrayed him because she was his fantasy and he fantasized everything and the reality was but he knows it was a hallucination he knows her he knows her oh why not the guys because the only people the only people that yeah but he even operates within a system he only attacks and kills people who have wronged him in some way yeah but he could look that because it was his fantasy and it never really happened he could use that as her rejecting him his face when he looks at her with the gun to her head this is all open for interpretation I don't think his answer one way or another but he looks at her in a really fucked off way as if he's gonna do something I think that definitely doesn't seem to fit the rest of his behavior though I always took it as this is where he's deciding for the first time he's actually gonna kill himself because he's lost the mum he's lost the girl the hallucination everything's falling to shit and obviously lost the job and it's always been a joke up till now he's been the gun and shooting it but that is this is the beginning of the end now he's committing to he's probably gonna kill himself and it's all the way up until the end of the film that he's going to go what's his name uh I'll forget but he lets him go why didn't he kill that guy witnessed him Gary he watched Gary watch him commit a murder he still let Gary go because Gary never wronged him in any way yeah but he never had fun that sees about Gary I don't I don't I don't believe you would kill her she's just done nothing wrong I don't think so yeah like I see his point though when he's looking at the it could be like well rage passion you know I think it's open for interpretation because it cuts off so abruptly yeah and he's delusional so it's like he could totally like tweet that I think if he left her alive the cops would have arrested him before he finished makeup but no she would have just been like wow this this the guy down the hall who has mental problems walked in here by accident that's even something that she suggests yeah and if he walked into the wrong apartment if he walked right out I can guarantee you should be locking that door from now on yeah I don't think she would have called the cops yeah it's full possibility I think there's so many open elements to this that it's maybe even tempting you to craft your own version of events the director said he didn't kill her oh did it which makes well that's that then makes sense I yeah I think it would be really really inconsistent of him yeah I literally like I'm just going from he seems to lay it out when he's with Murray that kills awful people and I just don't see how he could possibly interpret anything she's done is awful when she's done nothing yeah he kills people that deserve it and she doesn't but yeah someone is saying that there was a removed scene where she is watching him on the Murray show okay he revealed that the lead is seen from the final edit which would have showed Sophie watching the Joker's appearance on the Murray Franklin show he's went on to say that the filmmakers liked using the ambiguity surrounding Sophie's fate as a measure for fans reaction the Phoenix's character there you go most people that I've spoken to think he didn't kill her because they understand the idea that he only kills people that did him wrong she had nothing to do with it most people understood that even as a villain he was living by a certain code Phillips added of course he didn't kill this woman down the hall yeah okay alright fair enough he's hot though I got raw in the chat in caps lock he didn't kill her did not do it it's bullshit we had to there was plenty there there was the ambiguity there we didn't kill her and killed the child and of course we cut to five minutes of him laughing because Oscar bait got a bait Oscar bait got a bait was it eight seconds or oh yeah maniacal laughing in your underwear that's Oscar bait whatever works I guess but that my movie making notes for when I want to make an Oscar movie skinny unattractive man do heart monitors usually just stop making noise when someone dies monitor's job just to beep when someone's heart is beating but when it's over it's like alright I did my job so funnily enough when I just went to the comment section I saw one I didn't highlight it because I realized that we hadn't gotten to it yet apparently that's actually what they do and it's less likely for them to go be and that's a movie invention now I can't trust the comments you know completely maybe that's false that's what I've heard as well but it's the first top comment on the video says heartbeat monitors actually do go silent when heart beats stop flatlining was invented by TV and movies this is actually the first time I've seen it done right so I was if I was making a video response to this you know what you can do is you can it is only take five minutes of your time is you can call a hospital on your phone you can go to a phone booth chat knows what those are now because I explained to them and you can call up a hospital and ask them this question is like hey I'm just looking for information to see if what I saw in a movie is correct do heart monitors really do such and such thing and they'll probably tell you and they probably know that there's different models and makes of heart monitors and maybe they do different things or you just Google it I was gonna say you could just Google it whatever oh boy the amount of time it took to deliver that joke versus the payoff of that joke so again I don't know that it's impossible yeah he he's got like you're seeing the very reason that he would want to buy something like this in front of you look at what all those tapes say and also we know that the club the comedy club which he frequented to get a spot they recorded and he's very obsessed with being a good comedian to the point where he's studying comedians and just failing to understand what works about them so the only question is could he have the money to have afforded a color TV a VCR and an answering machine and I'm like well he's been living for what is what did we figure out 38 years was it 33 33 so yeah if he's managed to pay the bills and travel and food and he just saved everything else and it makes sense to me that he could have afforded these things especially because I bet stuff like this probably had an option for a payment plan not to mention that he didn't necessarily buy them brand new very true there we go we did it we did it guys also did no one at the hospital he does have a color TV did he so why are you not bitching about the color TV that's way more expensive than the that's like three times the cost of the answering machine yeah the answering machine well he also did no one at the hospital have any questions about how his mom died well there could have been a variety of different ways where they just assumed she died she had a stroke if she died then the thing we're talking 1980s again so she can you know put the pillow back put it there then walk out of the place and you'll have well this is the thing they will eventually find out I assume she was suffocated through like pathology whatever and then the police will be told and then they will want to question him which is exactly what happens well not necessarily I don't think because I don't think having had a stroke it would have been viewed as necessary suspicious and autopsies weren't something that was automatically done you've had a stroke you're old you're clearly infirm I think it could have easily been just put down to natural um well either way it's not long after this that the police come to him like he had it's this scene then the scene where he's dying is here and then they come just after he leaves the house but that's probably about the subway that's probably more about the subway oh I must I absolutely assume that's about his mom as well they'd be like she's dead now I don't think it's ridiculous to assume that the hospital would have figured out that she's died in a way that may be suspicious especially with she was alive before he visited and he he wasn't found anywhere and she was dead what clothes was he wearing when he went to the hospital I don't know why does it matter because if he's in different clothes now it's probably a different day which means he probably would have been informed already I can believe he came back and changed I don't know the site that I was looking at showed that the answering because if we're using that site I don't know if it's correct or not maybe that was a specific model however it showed the color TV as much as like two and a half times as expensive as the answering machine so what exact model was it but let's see in 1985 it was $500 for a 20-inch color TV and that's in 1985 so it's not exactly 1981 but that's still $1,200 adjusted for inflation so yeah if you're going to complain about him having an answering machine feel like the color TV might be significantly more expensive again I can believe he afforded all three of those over the course of being alive if he saved up for them which I think we have reason to assume he would but as for did no one at the hospital have any questions about how his mum died we don't know that they didn't and did he just leave yes he would have left there's no reason why anyone would stop him from leaving until they'd have reason to assume they should so it was that he has different clothes because there was a scene with the mum's funeral where the detectives visit him it's the day of the Murray show and the scene is in the trailer yes there is there because it's in the trailer when he smiles he's in the purple suit and he's smiling and that was meant to be at his mother's funeral and it was cut multiple people are bringing up that in the 80's rent to own was a big thing so yeah there you go plenty of there's all these reasonable pieces of information to just we can't see every single thing in a movie right the whole point is the fortune so we see all the things that we need to see and the rest is supposed to be based on information that we would mostly have or can find if we need it but I think I don't think Jeremy likes Google I think he just wanted to bitch at this movie yes please welcome a good friend of the show Mr. Ethan Chase so this is the Dark Knight Returns meets King of Comedy meets Taxi Driver so it's three different movies mixed into one so at what point is it's own movie the Dark Knight Returns King of Comedy and Taxi Drivers when you get to three or more it starts to become like maybe it's just its own thing how about that this is nothing to do with the Dark Knight Returns this is nothing it's more the killing joke he doesn't even know his end reference maybe it's the class thing from Dark Knight Returns and people rising up and King of Comedy is the aspiring to be a comedian through any means necessary and then Taxi Driver is he's kind of a crazyman Arthur's Journey mirrors more the killing joke than any of those sure this is what I mean I think that the elements that we take from these other ones all of them are just sort of like this connects to that, this connects to that there you go yeah I don't Evan's saying the talk show element of the Dark Knight Returns is it the Dark Knight Rises no, Returns Dark Knight Returns the book for the Frank Miller Chris Vanola movie which is also poopy wait which is poopy I should say it's not poopy, Joker's not poopy they watch all three of those movies again then watch this Joker movie a second time he's on the talk show with his shrink it isn't about Arthur Rink who's trying to use the Joker as a tool, as a token to further their own career so no, his reference is completely up I just thought he fucked up I didn't know Dark Knight Returns is even a thing but most people don't either Joker intends to go on the Murray Show and kill himself but it's a red herring and anyone that ever read or watched the Dark Knight Returns knows that already no, he absolutely is going to kill himself he's the vast majority of people who have never read it it's not a red herring he intends to do that it's only after what is said to him in the sequence that he decided he changes his mind he's planning to kill himself in the fucking make up room he suggests but it's a red herring and anyone that ever read or watched the Dark Knight Returns knows that already sadly, that's not very many of us compared to this film's overall audience but still, that herring is red alright, let me check any given book most people haven't read um the Dark Knight Returns he kills the whole room I usually, because the way I define red herring is usually when it's like this is totally leading you the wrong way that's not going to happen while this is totally what is going to happen it just changes right at the end based on his own decisions as a character I don't think that's considered a red herring no I think he absolutely intends to kill himself yeah, a character changing their mind isn't a red herring that's just not how I would classify it but maybe if we go broad or something even when he's in the the makeup room before the show after he's spoken to Murray and the producer and what he's sat back in the chair and he's got the gun pointed at his base of his neck but is it a red herring because it's not what we expected to happen I'm just like I don't think that's how we classify that at all like I'm assuming that he wants to copy that specific material which it's not it would be like someone saying a golem is thrown by Frodo before Shilob fucks up Frodo that's a red herring, golem comes back I don't think that's how we classify red herrings at all I've always associated red herrings with being like oh this is the answer to the mystery that's clearly it and it turns out that has nothing to do with the actual mystery that thing we were just talking about the red herring would be Murray shooting the Joker that would be the red herring that would be quite the ending wouldn't it here's a sentence I never thought I'd write the Joker dances too much in this movie alright someone in the chat saying Dark Knight Returns is the second most popular Batman comic behind Killing Joke most people haven't read Killing Joke yeah most people haven't read any given comic yeah most people haven't seen probably any given movie yeah I'd agree with them google red herring definitions I actually did I was curious about it I know how it's used in like conversations a clue or piece of information which is or intended to be misleading or distracting it's not misleading to tell us that the Joker intends to kill himself he does the red herring was a 2015 movie oh it's not to mislead the audience that he intends to kill himself he does intend to kill himself this is what I mean I just don't think it's not it's the color in a fish especially if this is the cover of your movie red herring you know what I'm sure that movie is fucking great and you're just hating if you would like to watch red herring oh my god starring that's Holly Velads and I know her because she was in Taken Rags she was in Taken remember she's the singer we keep neighbors we're coming away oh there's one of them neighbors who is in this film? Robert Scott Howard Holly Velads Chris McClure Sly Cooper and Eric Miles so according to Rotten Tomatoes the director of this Usakun he he is it is a strange foreign name I don't know how it's pronounced editor nine credits director six credits Kung Fu Earl Shishak with popcorn all caps capitalized and no eye in the width red herring sky and tears well I'm sold I can sleep happy now red herring Lance red herring he was an uncredited actor as a thug at police station in the 2006 film Tears of course that's where I know him from that's where I know him from a lot of people don't know because he wasn't in the credits but he was destined for greatness oh my god sadly that's not very many of us compared to this film's overall audience but still red herring is red here's a sentence I never thought I'd write the Joker dances too much in this movie this movie saw Mel Gibson's over the top axe attack felt compelled to outdo it in every way and I could only blur the entire screen as this incredibly violent overkill attack goes on for some time why is that a sin? violent death is violent why is it a sin? that's the question for every part of this psychopath kills somebody violently oh dear isn't the whole point that it's meant to be frenzied and over the top and uncontrolled because that's the kind of mentality he has now no the sin it's a ding get dinged mother fucker I guess Gary never tells the cops about this because Arthur is able to wait but okay let's run it so Gary his entire goal is to tell the police he doesn't have a mobile phone so he now needs to get to a payphone immediately or maybe knock on someone's door and hope that they have a house phone that he can use now he can't get to a payphone because he can't use them he's too small he's probably going to want to run away from the building I was going to say I think he'll run well I'm trying to be I'm trying to be as pedantic I'm going to be as pedantic as possible with this right best case scenario he does run he gets out of the building goes down the street he finds a payphone he gets on a stool he uses it there's a convenient stool he gets on it he pulls out the thing he's like oh my god Arthur just killed someone in front of me please help building and then the police will eventually get there is there enough time in that process for Arthur to get his makeup finished and his clothes on so you know he runs into the detectives on the way out right what I will say is I don't think they're necessarily connected to any contact from Gary because if Gary told them he murdered someone in front of me they probably wouldn't hesitate to chase him while they're like hey buddy where you going and then he runs and they're like I just don't think Gary could have done it in time I don't think he would have access to it in time before the Joker gets out of the building I assume if you do report a murder like that's going to be a priority call so the police are going to get there as quickly as they can I don't know maybe because Gotham's on the verge of exploding right now the police are stretched really thin so it would take them a while to make sure this is going on the same day true I'm not even convinced that Gary tells the police that's the other thing we've all assumed that he definitely would immediately while I don't know man he probably pretty terrified like maybe he got home and is like fuck I always hated that Randall asshole probably needs to process stuff just lock himself away feel safe compose and then think about it and then call the police process things faster than a normal sized okay I don't know why you're laughing at that Raj is that Gary has short legs he can't run fast that is true yeah it's an undeniable truth he goes really quick to run like a normal person it would have been really funny when a Joker leaves his apartment and walks down the hallway he passes Gary he's walking like the Joker he's walking normally down the sidewalk and he's moving the same speed as Gary running like oh hey Gary's trying to get the elevator but he can't reach the buttons so he's just waiting poor dude could you press the button clean up all that blood off his face reapply and have his makeup get pressed and stroll down the hallway guys this is the weirdest purge movie I've ever seen that's a sin okay I get it well because nobody else is using the stairs at the same time have you ever seen a staircase not being used you can only use one staircase at a time that's what you prefer there's nobody else there right faster than out of control I don't know they would think that he was telling a tall tale there's a famous song by the infamous Gary Glitter plays Gary Glitter is a convicted pedophile everyone should stop using his music in fact most sports arenas have been used fuck that shit yeah I don't think that's what we'd do the artist and the art that's separate as well oh the person who wrote the song is a pedophile so everyone else who was involved in the creation and the production of that song and even the tune itself should be stricken from the history record don't forget any film that's previously had it be censored let's make sure we mop up all the Harvey Weinstein movies Weinstein movies get rid of them they have to be purged everything that he was doing this is not some shit that you were going to be consistent with not a bad idea because it gets rid of a lot of Kevin Smith shit to hell with this idea that just because a person wrote something and then did a bad thing therefore we should stop like this is ridiculous I hate this idea I mean how much first off how much stuff are you going to lose like do you have to be a saint well it also makes you question what do you have to do to reach this point that you have to have all your stuff removed does murder count as well should we I mean what if you kill yourself that's killing a person true like what then Kevin Spacey movies out sorry guys who worked on those movies he's in it I'm pretty sure I saw a video about this I think it was actually Richard Lewis who was talking about this Gary Glitter didn't make a dime off of this movie and he's not even making money off this song anymore somebody else is making money off this song he sold the rights I think in part of the lawsuit of everything that got him convicted he had to sell the rights away so what so so stupid it is not it is not a principle that you are going to be able to consistently apply and you will not apply it consistently the first time your feelings aren't in alignment with but rags is a sin dang dang this guy doesn't come out and say that oh well we have to we have to strike Aquaman from the records because the heroine of the film is a domestic abuser oh boy I'm already excited for this next one I'm just going to let it play first stupid question but how do they know it's Arthur they only met him at the hospital how do they know it's Arthur so tell me if I'm wrong but don't they call him out they're like Arthur and then he turns and then he sprints away what makes you think that they might not think that's Arthur and they know they know he's a clown I just like that he said this might be a stupid question we're all just like oh boy here we go yes it is yes it is well that guy that we called Arthur looked at us and ran away we can't prove it's Arthur I guess do we have any reason to think that's Arthur's like well he's a clown it could be another clown it's just another clown called Arthur he's also got a guilty conscience the guy with his back someone said someone said in quotes no I'm Alfred he said policemen have only met him once the fucking police what did he look like what did our suspect look like don't know wasn't paying attention it's great I love it everyone is dressed as a clown these days because they hate rich people no they're not everyone is dressed as a clown these days because they hate rich people it's not everyone but alright Jesus Christ I'm gonna stop there is this clown supposed to be Alfred around the stairs we've seen that Arthur has to walk up these stairs and then go down a sidewalk to get to his apartment so they either went to his apartment and somehow so they were on his way they would have seen him they saw him go down the stairs and they followed him there we don't know where these two locations are relative to each other no we don't know if the staircase how long he's been dancing down the stairs yeah we don't know if the staircase is two minutes or one hour from the actual building gosh you better than this since I expect better from you well I just completely missed him even though he's been dance walking for 10 hours or the movie just needs them here and f*** you for asking and they obviously don't know about him murdering Randall yet or else they'd be running down the stairs after him well there's actually an argument for that being that let's pretend Gary did tell them and they were like oh god this guy's murdering people now they go hey hey Arthur just looking to have a chat buddy yep how you doing and he starts running and they go fuck he's running and they immediately run after him you know like there's no reason to assume this makes sense right and also how we have no reason to think that they would have that information not everyone's walking around with a cell phone in their pocket these days but even if they did if they shout at the top of the stair he's gonna bolt there's a good chance he'll just bolt anyway so if they can get closer and closer distance it's gonna allow them to get the guns out maybe I think if they were smarter they'd let him go down the stairs see which way he turns sprinting after him but it's you know oh he got to the train just as the doors were closing maybe this is a comic book movie everything that happens is so goddamn convenient so it's a train station it's a busy town there's lots of trains so now I've only been in a subway a couple times when I went to DC trains arrive all the time and they open and close every time they come and stop it's not really that incredible a coincidence and if he was to have sprinted directly there he would have gotten in earlier than he needed to he was heading toward it and he got in just before he would have ran out of time by his own sort of perception like I said if he had sprinted in fact him getting hit by a car was not convenient to him getting on this train was it so can't he see the open doors from a distance and if he sees the open doors from a distance he would want to move he would then go toward them yeah if there was no train there then he wouldn't go up and stand there and wait for a train exactly he would do something else just cause it's not in the frame doesn't mean it doesn't exist in the universe just like why would there be a train at the train station hahahaha hahahaha hahahahahaha hahahahahaha ding that's what they see us as like all the people who hate our effab shit they're like that's what you do oh you needed a car so you went to the road an awfully convenient hahahahahahahaha hahahahahahahaha oh you just went to a river and there happened to be water there huh That's I bet I bet cops it makes it to a subway train car where everyone is dressed as Joker I don't even have clearly not everybody in his escape and thankfully for him the cops get beaten to oblivion They kill somebody so he's he but he's he gets it rolling. He starts a fight It's really clever. That's a fight.  Why are you dressing up as a clown? You're going to the protest.  He doesn't care about any of this at all. He's going to kill himself on TV. Mm-hmm So he has an hour or two to kill someone said he didn't point he didn't point But he makes it so that he pulls the guy's mask off the guy pushes him He falls into someone and he immediately slides to the right or his left.  He's once he's off those medications He does seem to his brain seems to be operating in a more significant level.   How does he know Arthur didn't push? Yeah, yeah backs away. There you go. He backs. He backs. Yeah, he doesn't know He assumed why do you think people on a subway getting pushed around are the most rational of all humans?  It's not that dude's fault.    They're not being punched by anybody There's a little commotion in the train, but the police people themselves. They're just basically walking through the train and they just Is it is she really bad move and they should know that as a policeman That that would be the point out Don't they pull out the gun to try and be like everyone get that get out of our way where cops we need to get to the Like that's why they're doing this while pointing it into a crowd of people I think I was gonna say I thought he's he had it up first and this once everyone starts pushing around everything gets out of Out of whack. He's the gun goes off and someone's been hit And he got pushed into that guy So I think he tries to show his grip on his gun which makes him pull the trigger Which no he when he first pulls out the gun He is literally pointing it like through to people who have nothing to do certainly dangerous Yeah, it is extremely dangerous like this is like this is the moment He pulls out the gun on the train Right here. I'm watching it back Like none of these people have anything to do with Arthur and Arthur's on the other side of the whole train car and Group of people and he's just like I'm just gonna pull out this gun and point it across this crowded train car For all this commotion is happening between us and Arthur Also this piece of artwork It's EFAP mythology is what it was So I like I like chat is in there Is that the dawn sharing love with Fringy? the frog old Yes What else we have here? We have Cook carrots is toniled with the woke on it He hates to be broken it at home. Oh my goodness You got that we have the snake on the Isle of Man See the the dragon is on one of the legs as well Yeah There is he's got pantyhose on one of them There is Pizza sword with pizza if we got a cosmic trick in in there Yeah, we got the spider web literature devil Black Sun face That's me holding the up sign think Yeah, you are holding the upside Don't give up That's you Next to chat, I believe yeah wolf is with the So the mouse with the cheese The good rat, I assume that's the good rat. He's looking at the cheese. Mm-hmm Who's that who's on the who's on the um the bike? The unicycle thing I Thought maybe I don't know and is it is it spraying toxic fumes into him as he as he rides it I guess It's internet gas Yeah, it was made by Illyria and Illyria is a very good name high-five There's a lot going on here. Mm-hmm And then we go back the cinemas in I feel like this movie was all should we give mark marin a role and someone replied now But then someone else replied but I love him so ultimately they decided to cast him but in the tiniest role That's a sin. That was a sin. There's an actor in this film Listen if they hadn't spent that nine seconds on the flashback, they could have given him nine more seconds of screen time Oh, so what's a waltier Jebs? That's probably what that was the watering the jab Couple of rules though no cursing the wolf color material doesn't Murray have someone who would do this run down for him You know like this character. No, no, why why wouldn't he do it?  No one does that rags Nobody, okay, cuz I know that we actually we began the e-fap today And then we got everybody in the call We definitely weren't in a call and then hit the live button Cuz no one does that 10 15 20 minutes half an hour. Nope I've never even met these people. Why would you even want to have any connection with your guests before you first meet them? Why would you do that in any way shape or form? Most of the time with e-fap we just start them up and then we just put an open invite and first content creator Join just gets in that's how it works Yeah, he's also vetting him to go on the show.  He's quite friendly. He's quite civil because you know the makeup says don't put him on and then Murray's just like no, no, it's fine. It's fine Mark mirror. It's got a book a Book of jokes every writer or comedian I've ever known as a book of ideas.    Okay, of course you make fun of it They carry with them. This is not a reason to mock you gotta fill the time with a tree comedy is subjective Murray Isn't that what they say? I have a bad feeling.  I mean Come on no one finds this funny come on Here is a clock that is not 1111 right here on the Murray Franklin show isn't this what isn't this the scene that he Breaks out of being real. Yeah, this is the most real. He ever is this is he is so engaged and focused Right here and this is just like once he shot Murray. It's done like his Transition has begun in a very very very significant way because he's no longer killing himself But I mean I just Doesn't it make more sense that it wouldn't be locked in with the rest of the clocks in the scene or am I crazy It certainly draws attention that this scene is it doesn't possess the quality that the rest of the scenes have Which does seem to be the case This scene is a very it doesn't Maybe to show that this scene doesn't have a kind of surrealistic aspect to it. It's not a hallucination This isn't a fantasy. This is the real world. He's not Envisioning it. It's not a hallucination Someone saying he's so focused that he knows the time. Oh, Jay said that Hey Jay loser I'm sorry before that's The clocks are always locked in place when he was on his meds and it's once he stopped taking them. That's what he's Another annoying story to move That is an interesting thought Hey drink it you've been Pikachu'd Oh But yeah, I don't know it seems like if they kept it 11 11 throughout the whole film I guess our only conclusion would be I guess he was in the asylum the whole time or something you could say it like that I just thought it was a It would be indicative that everything changes in this scene which it does so go there goes the consistency Everybody just yells and screams in each other. Nobody's civil anymore Facebook That was a sin What's Facebook got to do Because that's like what Facebook is So that's the that's the film as well We're all just sitting there like well You saw me The comedy is subjective. That was a joke That was a joke. God damn joke which is on the sin counter with all the objective criticisms Which means we can't criticize it Geez does Murray truly believe Arthur killed those guys or is this all about the show must go on? I feel like I'm alive.  You sound like you're making excuses for killing those young men Geez does Murray truly believe Arthur killed those guys or yes all about the show must go on I feel like on a live show This would have cut to commercial long ago and Arthur scored it out by security and detained until the cops came for question Yeah, the producer wants that Yeah, the producer does want that and that does eventually happen. He does get taken away And he's got a gun He becomes president Society Abandoned Donald Trump and treated will he treat him like trash, but society abandoned Donald Trump.  He ruined joke Yeah This ambulance is being driven by one of the insane clown posse and it's going to be the ex machina Joker needs to get out of This but again, I ask because I've seen he goes. He's in as the asylum the next scene. So I didn't really work out Clearly was captured Yeah, there's probably a couple ways that he could be broken out of this they're clearly intending on releasing him because he's the guy who killed Murray Means out of nowhere vehicles hitting another car across an intersection. I'll agree it would have been hard to set that up Yeah, what if it was in so the clown people? So I guess I have to see the reaction when they see him in the car How did this ambulance know a cop car was coming and how did that time the wreck just right or is this some kind of completely? Random happenstance in a world of chaos and it just so happens to free Joker way I'm assuming it was intentional. They immediately go to grab him from the car.   It doesn't make sense.  This is the guy And even if even if it's not the guy although they don't recognize it is the guy it's still a rioter It's still a guy and yeah, it's one of his Wait, what was the Bruce Wayne thing? Oh The joke is like ha ha as if we didn't already know that his parents die lol It's actually I think it's one of the best transitions. I loved it the way too. Yeah It feels like the first time we've been given all of the context for the event beforehand as opposed to afterward Still with Joseph chill Potentially being the murderer. Maybe not cuz even that's a big you see in the comic It's parents were murdered. So here's the end of this movie. It's pretty good I guess but any of you have watched this movie if it wasn't called Joker. I guess it's probably Yeah, like people aren't upset because it's in Gotham people hate it because it Whatever a lot of it seems to be you're not supposed to like this because taking seven medications kills you rags.   So this is it We knew this would happen. We knew that it would incite this sort of behavior.  I wish only half these people existed the end Jesus christ joker car movie goes all new heart at the end showing him in therapy and suggesting maybe none of what we saw was real Jesus or that maybe all of it was recanted by him to this lady and that's the end of the story That you can call it an unreliable narrator to a degree or that it all did happen Like if you you know take it wherever you want to I guess if you want to think the all of it was in his head It's just like all right How is that a sin to have a a movie with I don't know It means you're a bad person Yeah, it's people in the chat are pointing out frozen to had more violence associated with it than joker did Where were you? I said that two minutes ago I'm sorry what? How long was he standing in that interviewer lady from magnolia's blood to be able to make multiple perfect bloody shupers on the floor That must have been a lot of blood or this is what he's hallucinating because I I kind of I'm really on the fence about this last scene. I think the last scene's kind of a hallucination I think this is a daydream of his escaping this cell I just like that.  It all seems very Dream-esque. Yeah, well it goes in slo-mo as well toward the end right again very dream-esque Yeah Well, that's it. These are these are usually just reference jokes that he does at the end All right. Yeah, that's cinema sins We made it. Wow Cinema sins is uh pretty good, huh? That was quite an experience I think I realized why I haven't seen one of these Yeah, like what else is there to say it's like there was barely anything in there.  He's like the elongated man Super hero reference. Was that too?  Oh, I don't know what else to say. It was really bad That was really bad. It works this video. Wow, we're just even We're up to four hours. I didn't even realize. Oh my god. Time travels fast Um, well, I mean Next is cinema wins. Is everybody still alive and active enough to do so? Yeah, at least 50% of my brain is still active. So yeah, and I think it should go smoother because he's He's gonna point out the things that are working about the movie, right? Someone said Arthur joking with Alfred is literally the only point. I'll give them like no that was bad Well, what was our bad point because he invented that Alfred had to be x sas when there's no reason that he has to be Well, it is in the in the source material rags in the comics. He is Oh Yeah, he's he's he's ex art It changes. He fluctuates what? Well, that's that that's that's all we'll get that is that in this iteration We don't even know that yet, but even if it were even if he were that doesn't mean you can't be strangled And he was clearly out of shape. He's yeah from his physique Yeah, even if you had the x sas or whatever he's still clearly in his like, you know retiring age Well then well from the sas anyway Nah, he was in his prime. We all know I can't see him like, you know lead in the uh Well, whatever missions they get up to So is everyone ready for the flip of the coin over to the other side of the internet where movies are praised Because I can't see cinema wins doing worse than cinema sins I don't know Well, this is part one so Oh, yeah, he had to split them up obviously because it when you get over 10 minutes, you've made a video Good for you. Anyway, let's do it sponsored by curiosity stream get free access to my streaming service nebula When you sign up for curiosity stream, oh nebula. That's the place for all the video sas do stuff together That we're not invited to because we're not we're not nice One day God, wouldn't you love rags to work with Patrick Willems cinema wins and many others like them lindsay alice You just gotta get that invite get that get that letter Nebula sign up now. I'm using my link in the description Joker is R rated There is some intense violence in the final act that I've censored for the video But the subject matter is the main thing that's not for everyone. Oh, kidoki You've been warned All right Based on found footage Oof that's a weird tale that pot one's a bit awkward, isn't it? What the hell just started Every time that we need to be warned Retro wb logo council joker start. Yeah, so We were actually on board with this. So this is what I mean This is gonna be a little bit more awkward because we might just go we agree I know he's the opposite. So it don't tell me this is gonna be the opposite. Just whatever Well, they don't like they're not in conjunction or anything But it will be funny how much they will have like a completely different take on each scene But it's just more likely that he will be right because cinemas in sucks There you go virtual logo. This is cool I mean, I think it's a I I would happen like with the concept of delivering wins It's like having a retro logo. I'm like, yeah, it's kind of cool. I'm okay with giving that a win It's just it's just whatever Well, if you're gonna give wins out for stuff, why not this?  Who ever noticed that shit?  I love that crispiness I love it. So crispy music. Oh, it's so crisp You just hear that crunch on every note No, they're soggy waffles. They were soggy I can hear the soggy-ness of the waffle half this music is just The drip of the I'm okay with this being given a win. I approve Go counts for a joker style 80s opening credits a visual representation of this movie It physically hurts arthur to put on a happy face, especially when you consider the source telling him to do so His abusive mother his mother tells him that yeah So he tells us anyway says that she told him to put on a happy face in his hallucination with honoree Hmm Okay, maybe I guess it was I guess but she she certainly doesn't and It doesn't seem too any we don't see her do it. No She calls him happy that's her nickname for him as well. She always calls him happy God damn it I'm not one to read ahead on superchats Because do you think I am as actions and civil war contradicts as actions in the first I am a movie.  I will answer that uh when we get around to it I just I just I get asked that a lot and I'm like character rock. What's that go away In addition to these awesome Yeah, I was gonna say don't worry. We'll get to everything. I've got I've got it all at a big uh thing mean right mean rags got plenty of uh Super chests to get to um Notice how little of the sky we see and it's deliberate even when we do see the sky in a wide It's overcast other times buildings were digitally added to make Gotham its own oppressive character in the movie That's always trying to crush arthur Okay, sure Yeah, I can't really yeah, it's a fantasy city anyway, so it doesn't have to geographically conform to anything that exists That's it. Isn't um, I didn't know in films uh film in chicago or whatever Yeah, I wouldn't go off and be chicago not new york in that one Wait, was that a question or Yes, say again I didn't ask a question. Oh, all right then This moment of awfulness literally kicking a guy while he's down brought to you by icelandic composer. Thank god Anyway her oscar nominated at least absolutely killer score Droning and dragging and weeping this movie is not the same without it. Absolutely incredible. I'm so glad Yeah, uh, again, I feel like this might this might be awkward. I agree again, you know, like it's like We're very good to an efat where we just go this video good Yeah, we might set a record for the the head quickly we get through this one. That's very true And there's never I think it's actually got one of the best scores Oh, she's a great job. Yeah Absolutely It's the same shot as the wane the wanes when they were murdered Is it Like we're referencing that shot is the same shot as when we're like in the comic or No, I guess is like they're supposed to parallel each other the low shot because the the camera's close to the ground Staring down the alley Yeah, again, it's the yeah joker down at the beginning wanes down at the end Nice Bold slightly bleeding beyond the edges of the frame reminding us the joker is I don't know what you mean by that Isn't the point of joker as a character that he's a small man who's been like forgotten by society Yeah, the larger than life characters would be thomas wane or murray Well, the the joker does become larger than the light when the joke The idea of the joker does I suppose But before then no, he was nobody. That's the whole point of the joker. He was a nobody. There's anything about him I don't I wonder how many people did notice that it bled on the outsides and it's supposed to be a 65 millimeter Another I gotta say inspired choice for the joker laughter is supposed to be a joyful sound instead It rips at Arthur's throat and pulls his face into a grimace.  No, you didn't think I did there you have it whether he did or no He believes that he did and one more person who didn't know he did Whether he did or didn't he knows he did So he what he did or didn't he thinks he did he did yes No, he believes it which is enough by the way, but he didn't know I mean, I think it's consistent with the character of his you know Social work where she's totally disinterested in what's going on He highlights that she doesn't listen which as for whether or not she actually does We can't really know ourselves because you don't see enough of them But um, I don't think so No, it is not Why I mean of course believing and knowing it's very different Uh Care about him doesn't I just hope my death makes more sense than my life Appreciating your own joke and also fake out and shadowing since he was already considering suicide Yeah, unless this fairy's considered it well ahead of time Always a little bit of white paint left over on his chin as if he can never Holy take the clown mask off something he learns to embrace I mean, I just assume that yeah, sure. Yeah, let's have a little touch Yeah, I'm not I'm not against it. I just you know I would want a caution not to jump as far into everything as possible whenever you see anything Yeah, I would almost say that it's just a it's just he didn't get it all off Like the first time it nice touch either way Happens we're left to sit with his condition and think about why and what's going on Lesser writers write a line of dialogue with the therapist comments on it I don't know why it's intrinsically better to Have him give a card that explains it that we have to read I mean, I the way that I like they did it. All right the way they did it dare I say But I don't know why it is necessarily better than another way of doing it Well, was it was it to bring in the card because it is not no part of the subway attack later Where he doesn't have the card anymore because Technically yes, and it's and it's nice and natural as well because we know like we're seeing something take place that would Yeah Yeah, but that is a um That is to get the card. Yes. He pats his vest and he starts to reach into his bag. Yes. He does And you know like the the idea that the he laughs for like a minute straight in that therapist scene Then she says uh Is the condition any better or worse as it changed? I wouldn't consider that unnatural I'd be fine with it that way too, but I'm cool with the way that they deliver it Nailing home arthur struggle and slog through life Apple a day keeps the doctor away was wakins motto during prep as in that's all he ate Everybody says Clear buoyance unless you the type of person who thinks thomas wane's son actually keeps the city in a perpetual state of crime What? I mean So she's saying he can save this city and and and I guess he's saying that she's like predicting On accident that his son will be the one that eventually does unless you consider his son Being one that oh, but thomas wane isn't his son. Well unless I miss let me do that again I have great mayor. Everybody says so he's the only one who could save the city clear buoyance Unless you the type of person who thinks thomas wane's son actually keeps the city. Yeah, so he is talking about the son Thomas wane. He's the only one who could save the city That would be If we're going with the batman mythos, then that would be bruce wane not thomas wane. Well, I guess he's trying to Thomas is mad Yeah, yeah, but he's saying his commentary is like she's accidentally predicting that thomas wane will save the city by Through his son technically by having a son who will stop crime unless you think That batman's existence in gotham encourages crime. Well, absolutely. I think that's i don't know why he's coming to god This is like what Mushi saved china This is the moment that justifies so much of the movie. Are we watching a fantasy a flash forward flash back We don't know arthur or his story yet. Well enough to know for sure What he's just he's watching the show and he's picturing himself on it Yeah, I thought it was obvious. It wouldn't be a flash back because he's never met uh Murray before and it wouldn't be a flash forward considering everything that happens So it's About dreams Yes, why seems goofy enough the irony here is that arthur is so out of touch with social norms He doesn't realize his fake laugh is off-putting. So it makes its way into his fantasy. He can't really get to know Seems to be a couple bits of confusion in chat. They got he means that batman is bad for gotham He's referring to batman. It's like, yeah, no, that's what we're talking about with thomas wane's son Meeting batman meaning bruce being batman Cleaning up gotham as batman But then he moves on to say unless you think that like batman perpetuates crime By existing just not true at all. Well, it's what batwoman brings up, right? She's like when I came back at attracted criminals But that would be the opposite of what happens like that's See I I mean you can all unless you're looking at it from the concept of as long as there is a vigilante There will be crime, but if the vigilante stomps out a lot of crime and continues to be a vigilante that is helping I do not endorse vigilanteism asterisk But that's kind of it's very that's why they set up that the gotham situation is so dire But that's basically what it takes it takes a batman Our very strength invites conflict Or challenge. I think he says I don't know. I haven't seen civil war in years I'm lying Sorry, what did he say? So it makes its way into his fantasy, but once we get to know our third We know this isn't how this interchange would have gone at least pre-jokerification Right. I don't know why that's a win. That's fine. Yeah, I don't know why that's a win Yeah, I mean I guess it's just Is he trying to say like this is this is like Clever misdirection because the signs are there that this is clearly a fantasy because he's much better at socially interacting than he would be in reality Like I don't I don't think there was ever any doubt that this was a fantasy right from the beginning It's for all the right there right in the audience on the left In laughter Even fantasy version murray doesn't believe the lines Arthur's writing for him Well, no, no, he's he's like wow how wholesome Yeah, I don't think he's like wow what what bullshit Let's see bite him down and then tells him. Oh, we're sure you're my son. Yeah Why would fantasy murray not believe Arthur's lines? It's yeah, this is him daydreaming.  Never mind his daydream Yeah, that's just persists You know this the lights the show the audience all that stuff I'd give it all up in a heartbeat to have a kid like you It does become pretty clear by the end. It isn't real And wouldn't you know the by the end by two seconds later? So why did he even bother with the like it could be a flash forward flashbacks like well, it's It's not This guy's silly. All right, you know, it's it's very a conventional approach, but okay Okay, I think I've a conceit for the entire movie Arthur is just stretching his leather shoes I guess but he shot from behind in a way that makes anyone seeing him uncomfortable He's all bone and sinew, but still comes off powerful and inhuman You could even project a sinister vibe onto him or say a political movement or other things being I don't know.   I'm not you know I see he's missing the he's missing the the development of the character Not intentionally conveyed and you can pay me back some other time. He will Just in case you weren't sure if that laugh was fake. He's going out of business for god's sake Arthur I don't know if I keep this on That delivery Walking Phoenix is always a win. Yeah, I guess that line delivery was fine. I don't know of all the ones to highlight That one I'm just I'm just happy to concede it because of the job he did for the movie.  He's a Sina Sina Mastapisa. He knows his stuff. All right people Well, we saw taxi driver after this and it's just not even in this. It's just Nowhere near it Rags, you know, you're on an island with that Reposition right chat Who would this cast who Al you've seen taxi driver, right? Yeah, but not a long long time Brinker you've seen it, right? Yeah, likewise about like 15 years ago or something. God damn it As you see that right I've seen it, but at last time I saw it was 20 years ago.  Okay That was the movie But this is not anything like the joker and taxi driver Are the anyone who says that it's just one's a rip off of the other is insane Yeah, I agree.  So Well, like grimy city This is what I mean, you have to get pretty broad you have to be like Yeah, it's pretty pretty broad grimy 80s city Could be A troubled protagonist Both his inability to know what is funny about the stand-up set laughing at the wrong times Even being confused when the audience laughs as well as signs of dyslexia, which tracks with what we find out later Since dyslexia has been called a neurological Wait he um he read his So he's got observations which looks to be spelt with us Zed, uh Maybe or not, but um cinema wins wrote it as though he wrote d Oh And he's flipped them because of dyslexia as opposed to the fact that it looks as if he wrote Oh, and then a b but backward if you know what I mean or flipped Um Well watch the way that he puts it on screen again He used when the audience laughs as well as signs of dyslexia which tracks see he's written it as if he's written a d But from what I can see on the pad. It just looks like oh and then b but the b is obviously Yeah, he like a six his point his point stands, but the way that he illustrates it is incorrect Yeah, I'm I'm totally the the I yeah, like I'm fine with it. It's just interesting that he decided that that was a d Wait actually hold up if he doesn't Yeah, that's not dyslexia that same. Yeah, that isn't dyslexia. That is an o and a b. That's not a d and an o You can see you can see the Also, I think you put a I think you put a zed maybe for because of observations. He thought that it was a zed Uh, yeah, we thought that we've seen that he writes Yeah, that seems to be the consistent way that joker writes is uh, he would speak it out to himself and be like This is how it's spelled then because he was never taught how the words were spelled. Yeah Yeah, yeah, I don't know if this is I actually don't yeah I I the moment ago I thought that he was Making at least a good observation, but here I think he's just wrong I mean, I look at it I think I think he could easily have dyslexia. I just think this poor example Yeah, if if you're gonna try and convince me he had uh dyslexia and you showed me this as an example You wouldn't have convinced me at all Especially look at always beneath it al w aze Also, how do you it's kind of hard to spot that he's definitely written out shins on the end there It just looks like s maybe h and then Yeah Facts with what we find out later since dyslexia has been called a neurological disorder This isn't dyslexia though No Also, we get put into arthur's shoes by missing the punchline since arthur would know it anyway He's trying to learn how to be a comic the same way you would learn to drive a car by watching formula one Or maybe a local drag race, but still and arthur even applies that observational humor to his own life I was hoping you'd come in and rob the place I mentioned the unreliable near he's trying to learn how to write comedy like trying to The idea that you could learn how to better write jokes by going to stand up makes a lot more sense than learning how to drive By going to watch formula one Yeah, I would I think that is yeah, I do think that's a better comparison Yeah, well, it's he literally wants to be a stand-up comedian. He doesn't want to be If I wanted to drive I don't watch lewis hamilton or ever and If you wanted to drive an f1 If you knew how to drive well and you wanted to learn how to become a formula one driver I could see it would make a lot of sense going to formula one. Then you would watch these people Yeah, but I think it's reasonable to have more sense. Yeah, that if you want to be a comic you would watch stand-up comics Timing delivery pacing reading the room inspiration Yeah Observations on that notebook, isn't he like I can't remember the arthur. I know he does Really that confident and deering smile is such a huge tell anytime you like what you're seeing assume You're only seeing what arthur wants you to see It's the logic that he's telling the story to that girl at the end of the film That's one of the many different ways people format how this film is running sort of thing To mention agreeing to that after confronting him about stalking her Oh Man something that should have us worried for arthur is actually terrifying when you remember that it's coming from the joker I'll admit here it is It's terrifying when it's coming from the joker I mean it's not coming from the joker This is the thing like for for our pov This is just this is a almost tragic moment because we're like, oh, no He's gonna attract the ire of these three when it's a condition he has Like I don't know about I'm not really thinking about the joker in this moment or anything Yeah, he's definitely isn't he's not joker yet No, this is this is what precipitates the turn but not the first bit Scene started I was literally thinking come on. We get it. He's having a rough life. You don't need to oh Never mind. We also don't see our oh, so that makes it his rough life not go away Then I murdered these people and I think it just wasn't a rough life Is he saying that he's tired of the scenes of people beating on him and then he was like, oh, that's not this scene Yeah, I think so I think he was just play he was imagining this playing out It's just he's gonna get a kick in and he's gonna go home even sadder So the fact that it turns out into this this kind of orgy of murder Yeah, just completely like changes the entire point of the scene Um, I just want to dress quickly you guys are incorrect when it comes to dyslexia It's very common for people with dyslexia to write letters backwards Like pb or d so what we pointed out was that that's what cinema wins pointed out and that that's not what was happening on the page Yeah, the page if you were going to convince us that he has dyslexia He might but that is not a good representation of it on the paper that was shown as the example Yeah Yeah, I don't know. I don't know why that got mixed, but uh, that's what we were trying to say Gun adding to the unreliable narrator and the snapping factor of these murders Not to mention Arthur's gun is a smith and westerner model 36 a 38 special Which is a revolver that holds five rounds one two three four five six seven eight I don't what if you were what if he reloaded between the times we saw him He could have thought I highly doubt it Absolutely. That's why nobody takes into consideration. It's just funny that he actually it is possible that he could have done it I mean, how much time does he have when that guy He waits for the doors to start to close before he gets out of the train to try and like lose him So could he have reloaded during that? Well, it's just like whenever we have a shot of the guy running away or banging on the thing It's like joker could be reloading it right now Yeah I mean, I imagine it's kind of a slow post this reloading a revolver Yeah, this one is a capacity of five, but this is a It's not it's a chief special Um Either way, he shoots too many times. Mm-hmm. I'm fine with that.  We're using montage logic. He absolutely could have reloaded it It's a revolver. He couldn't have it's not like we've never seen a revolver reloaded on a movie before Yes, we're not saying it's impossible. He couldn't have done it. I'm saying they never show it and They never show him reloading it Yeah, that would be my issue is you need to show it Yeah Like as as the last guy's escaping you show him fiddling with bullets for a second You cut away you cut back and he's holding the gun ready again. We'd just be like, oh, I guess he did reload it Okay But uh, I refuse to agree that it's impossible for him to have done it in the montage that we saw especially because that's How film works is certain amounts of time can pass between each shot I don't think it's impossible, but I I don't think he did reload. I I do Yeah, neither do I I think it's a mistake. This guy this guy has a negligent discharge The second the first time he basically pulls it out and we see him with it so He's not he's not a he's not a gun guy Uh Highly stressful situation like this he's pumped up on it doesn't take anything away from the film It's not an error which takes anything away But this is what we have to talk about because the flaw is actually so that's yeah That's what I mean. There's so little to rip into this film before it's like right then this would be the one And again, I agree as a flaw. They shouldn't uh, it's it's unfortunate, but there we are It takes roughly five seconds to put five rounds in a revolver I'm sure that works out great for you I'm certain. Well, yeah, even I would be like well, it's gonna depend on the person shortly Yeah, I uh, also speed reloaders, but he's not gonna have that It wouldn't take me five seconds. I'll tell you that for now. Yeah, you are not gonna know not him See because five seconds may not even know how to reload it. Okay. He knows how to reload it. He knows how to load it Come on now We keep bouncing between extremes It's just like look there wasn't enough time from what we saw that he could have loaded it. Is it impossible? No, but it's way too unlikely to not have shown it definitely unlikely Because he reloaded it because he shot the bullet in his apartment. So he would have reloaded that Maybe he trained with Jerry McCuffin Ah All right, let's draw it back a little bit two three four five Six seven eight I don't think this guy is reloading Some people felt the dancing was just quirkiness to be weird But the dancing is a pretty big part of Arthur and his connection to his own reality He dances freely as a clown because he can and he wants to he also believes He's a great dancer and when he's feeling powerful playing with his new gun coming up with jokes He thinks they're funny murdering three people. He almost can't stop the dance Yeah, that's good. Yeah Oh, I feel like that music might take us down now. Who knows? Oh boy now his own personal dance music drowns out the world He's slipping the fantasy You could even look at the dancing as the start of the veneer of reality feeling back for Arthur Is that part of your new life Arthur? If your dancing doesn't end the trick You're just gonna shoot yourself more clairvoyance when the guy was singing That his name was carnival Which is crazy because that's my clown name work Which could be evidence that the story is an embellishment at best Even I didn't know if I really existed Is it? Oh, I have a negative thought Trailers destroy good lines make them gone and then memes reduce them to atoms still a line still a meme Uh Is that a Is that a meme? No, I like, you know, I'm not I'm not like the the biggest meme on the planet, but uh, I've seen it around But I've never felt like it was super overused I've seen the staircase one way more than that one Yeah, I've never I don't think I've actually seen the negative thoughts mean so Yeah, so there are some uh That all I have are negative thoughts. Yeah, it does seem to be a meme. I've just never seen it before Oh, I know it's a meme, but I don't think it was destroyed that scene or anything. All right Eek John Wayne Gacy reference still think Arthur's an anti hero John Wayne Gacy reference good job everybody. You know that thing that John Wayne Gacy used the clown name And he's suggesting that they're referencing it to show that Arthur is Not a hero not an anti-hero hero, but a villain I'm guessing Those memes though That's relatable in the worst way you open your mouth to speak and your vocal courses don't work We get to breathe before speaking So what if he didn't reload after his apartment then that five before he leaves the train and if he reloads during walking He would five new no if he didn't So what's really weird? So that doesn't make sense. Um He would if he didn't if assuming the cylinder was full of the five shots He has his discharge in his apartment Um, that would mean he has four left But surely he would reload it and in his home like surely I guess domino is pretty lucky if she can make the crowd laugh again feeling powerful after his date so more dancing Yeah, it's good consistency We cut right past the initial confrontation another jarring smack to the senses Thomas Wayne's back stories vary from version to version But for this world to have the general public seem to embrace him as the beacon he often is But of course in joker's version of events. He's just plain evil the subtext of I mean Just plain evil if he's so a bit of a stretch by the logic of everything we see is joker's perspective Then we have all the pieces we need to conclude that wane is pure evil.  I also think he stopped his meds and they're leaving a system slowly It's left open ended after he has to stop his meds. He can't get him from anywhere Yeah, he says where am I supposed to get them from she says sorry. I think that's pretty definitive that he's not getting them Yeah It doesn't he and he says he stopped taking his meds to Gary and randall.  He has to follow the rules Are you see supposed to follow the rules? But he doesn't follow the rule and it's a little tough at the beginning when he eats the door But then it opens the door someone comes out. Yeah He uses somebody else and he slips it this it's foreshadowing It's almost like it could be proof. He's dyslexic dyslexic people can read It says exit Maybe there's a kind of dyslexia where you maybe misread exit as It's uh exit. Yeah, only Tixie Instance to suggest he's breaking free from his fantasy right there. Everyone laughed at me. Well, no one's laughing now You can say that again pal of all the terrible things that happened to arthur. That's number one the worst I think he's finding out the truth about his mother.  It's like great Versus a guy you like on tv is laughing at you. I don't know. I feel like they're significant both of them But I don't think that one's the the bigger one He just repeated his punchline and got a laugh as if arthur's intent wasn't precisely that self-deprecation style humor They laughed at Murray's joke Well, I think I mean wins if I can call him that is technically on point here to a degree arthur's joke Is that uh, this joke will not be funny. So if no one laughs at it, it's worked because it said like Everyone's gonna laugh for you. No one's laughing now And so you know what I mean like it's but but then Murray like an ironic way Well, that's the thing right? It's about the this is why I think Murray's works because Murray's got an audience That's totally on board with him anyway. And so he's like, yeah, you're right Yeah, and I guess it's meant to be the delivery of it as well like arthur is very still eating awkward and Yeah, it doesn't work for him. But Murray's like smooth and relaxed and confident and he can make it work Yes, delivery especially especially after you gotta consider it's consider that that minute or whatever of him like awkwardly laughing Before he started his set you'd be like, oh While Murray is just probably had like a really good show up to that point and people totally on board like it makes sense to me that uh Murray despite technically almost repeating the joke is getting a laugh where he didn't Was perfect, but he would have gotten a chuckle. Sometimes the taxi driver nods are quick and subtle Other times with someone assigned. Wait, did I miss the taxi driver reference? Sorry. Let's let's roll that back Nicely that self deprecation style humor. Look the delivery wasn't perfect, but he would have gotten a chuckle sometimes the taxi We are all clowns. We what's the reference? We are the people versus we are all clowns Yeah, we're all clowns. I don't know if you want to call that a taxi driver reference Okay, what film isn't taxi driver at this point I just I feel like riots and protests with all kinds of signs. You probably connect a lot to a lot Yeah, I don't think this is a nod to taxi driver. This well, even if it were signs. It's fine Yeah, it's fine. If it was I just don't think it is Also holding a gun to your head and pretending to shoot it.  Okay Yeah, that's that's definitely attack. This is the thing man Like I am sure that there are aesthetic similarities and you pulled some qualities from taxi driver But point they kind of like this can't be it Molo, that's the Stowell's reference. The side almost says Palpatine So true exit only Not exactly a match cut but a fun transition nonetheless Settling scene either way But first particular neurological disorders crave confinement like a security blanket You could also say Arthur went into his cocoon and joked that he has Not sure how since that looks like one of those locked from the outside bridges fun fact No, maybe not. Oh, I guess he said looks like so he's safe But um, we did talk about this before because someone else brought up but The law for the Fridge safety or whatever had passed by the time this movie is set. So we're all good on that department Or at least there is room to believe it was a fridge. He could escape from the inside. You're fine. We're fine Okay, everyone calm down. Jesus From this creepy silent screaming scene, John cash in is also an Arkham inmate on Gotham the show Okay, yikes, just breezing over the lobotomy there She had a lobotomy, yeah That makes you really put into question how much you can trust from her doesn't it? But then again, what if it was faked? What if she's actually okay Things are falling into place and now as it starts to unravel We get to see Arthur remembering the one real thing that happened between him and Sophie. Is that a J? Uh, I don't really sure. Uh, sure. Yeah Yeah And the horror strings slowly lead us to confirm what we've been suspecting for a while Since we're already talking about the score, how about the shining horns marking Arthur's exit?  Yeah, you know um It's uh, there's a couple of moments in that scene with the the audience's reactions are telling for uh, what he thinks will happen Sometimes it's hard to keep your brain from thinking. Oh, that was the first to lose When you consider that Arthur vindictively wants to play the part that Murray created for him as the failed comic joker And he's ready to take credit for the murders He needs to embrace the persona of the murderer who had that green hairpiece. It makes sense What's with the makeup? Yeah, I'm fine with that. No I don't think so because it was uh, I think he made the decision to confess when he's actually sat down And I think it was premeditated. I don't know. I think there's room that he was gonna kill himself after Announcing that. I don't know. Well, I'd have to look at the scene again. You might be right, but um the idea that he's gonna own the title of joker and then own the the The clown makeup and stuff like to me it follows through whether or not he's gonna Do it because that's the persona of the killer for those people on the subway and he's about to own those murders Yeah, that's I'm not sure about it. I'd have to rewatch Um Evan says that uh, he wasn't going to confess. He was just gonna tell the joke and kill himself But yeah, go maybe you're right on that. I'd have to rewatch it My mom died Celebrating Creepiest stance and look ever. Thank you Thank you so much. I just want to google. I suppose Suppose Yeah Okay, intense moment that's perfectly joker. Every other murderer would be worrying about gary talking considering killing him So we're freaked out that the chain lock was a ploy just to mess with gary, but he's full joker now He likes gary and he only kills awful people. Nothing else matters All right, that's a good scene and now the stairs that were a sense of again I hate to do it, but like if I've got nothing to if I just agree with him.  I thought oh no now.    It's tragic and it's not a perfect match But the track seems to be at least based on a slowed-down version of gary glitter's hay song I'm gonna keep bringing this up But I really like the idea that arthur is just living out of fantasy at this point He's lost his grasp on what's real and even if everything that's happening is 100 real all his fear is gone because he sees Himself as the architect of his own reality and truly has nothing to lose No remorse. No guilt. It's funny to him and he's cool with that now But not as cool as you'll be when I seamlessly segue to how you can see part two right now before it's up on youtube tomorrow You just need to slow mo dates your nebula That's how they get you That's how they get you get on that nebula folks play on over to today's sponsor curiosity stream Who has partnered with my new streaming service nebula where bull is new streaming service really? 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Well one is hate speech one is porn, so it's fine And apparently this guy has said he once got hosted for 4 000 viewers Did a minor booty shake and got suspended within 45 minutes or seven days? A booty shake?  It's get over it so um Have people been banned for this sort of thing before she getting i'm guessing she's gonna get special treatment That's gonna be the drama. Oh she'll get she'll get special treatment Of course like we've seen this before Nothing will happen. They won't do a thing No, you'll just you'll just claim it the wardrobe malfunction. I didn't mean to do it. Uh twitch has their darlings All right then on to part two you've been warned Sorry, there's just too much too many white guys today, so Oh, not this again Well, let's get this right out of the way. I know I know but That's bad guy Bucking just knows how to play the game look at his whole demeanor now the way he walks the with the strut the confidence It's not hunched. He's not limping It's complete demeanor change. It's very good and to me those aren't tears of torment They're tears of self-realization of his dreams coming true Hey, hey, mr. Franklin. Oh come on glow is good. So our comic book movies I don't know what glow is. I'm assuming it's a reference to Was not Gorgeous ladies are wrestling. Yeah, that guy was one of the main actors in glow. All right Is it is it controversial to say glow is good or? Uh Yeah I haven't seen I haven't seen anything past season one, but I did I did enjoy season They kind of ran out of stories and it just felt like random shit happening in season two So Pretty meandering Oh, wow patrick williams put out a tweet saying that uh infinity war Is oh well end game is much better than infinity war on every level Oh I disagree For reasons or what it just he says it's crazy that anyone would debate this Oh, wow Is this is this trolling or what? I mean, yeah, it's gonna be that's just because this is the thing Anything you could name from end game. I feel like infimity will probably did better Um, I'm trying to think of I guess like an epic grand scale battle. It's like was it better at end game?  That was Yeah, you don't get that. I'm sure Yeah, Thanos was no it's Thanos was nowhere near as No, definitely not Uh, well patrick just he just turned a generic bad guy for For end game make the video patrick will cover it Oh, yes, patrick, please explain to me why Thanos in end game is better than Thanos in infinity war I would love to see that video when he's like, please make it you're destroying my plans I'm gonna reduce the entire universe to atoms. You're like, oh That's not as interesting I'm gonna destroy the universe like all the other bad villains no one will remember We had creepiest now witnessed most sinister and foreboding There's the moment he decided to just die wouldn't make him matter But maybe taking Murray out with him would ever since I Killed us the wall street guy and our kings of comedy homage and why Kings of comedy. Oh, does it mean king of comedy or am I am I missing something with that? Three wall street guys not triggering memories Is because Pip can kill anybody I feel like I'm missing a key element of that reference. I'm like, I feel blind on it I'm just gonna let it go Um Yeah, chat help help me out.  Yeah I Don't see how that's a king of comedy homage Okay, we're not the only ones who aren't following good Is the on is the on air confession? He's wrong. That's what he means But in king of comedy he technically admits to it, but he plays it off as a joke and no one thinks that it's real Yeah But in this he definitely he admits it and wants everyone to know that it isn't a joke It is real. He's specifically Joker specifically says it's not a joke There's no joke Well, you guys still think that in-game have different than us Well, they definitively have different than us is yeah, it's literally whether or not it's justified as a whole different conversation. I I I think there's an argument to be had but which one is more compelling Joker is real Yeah, I have no idea what they are referring to by a king of comedy kings of king of comedy homage Yeah, I'm lost on that one I like this movie up until Joker goes on the Murray show, but it was so much until It was mostly those flashback scenes in the killing joke and without cutting back to Joker Didn't feel like Joker and now that he's fully detached from reality. Arthur feels like the Joker What I love is not that he kills Murray or even his speech It's that Arthur's fantasy Arthur's version of reality Which up until this point was not reality takes over and it's as if he entirely Believes he's inside of fantasy and it's released him from his tics stutters and condition You think that killing those guys is he doesn't think that he's a fantasy here though No, I'm yeah, I'm not following that entirely No, he knows this is real Yeah, he absolutely knows this is real This is if anything this is like the most real moment in the film for him Yeah, he came to kill himself This all been leading up to this This is what I mean like this is the climax for everything A lot of this feels like I've I've got a Re-re-listen and then be like where are you? Where's where have you drawn this from? I feel like I should have been following it better if he's been running this throughout but This whole like what Joker perceives as real or not seems to fluctuate in this video and I'm not quite grasping it, you know At least according to uh winds I do and I'm tired of pretending it's not They couldn't carry a tune to save their lives. Okay. Now that's the joker I mean buster bluth joker bluth folks are juice and take it like good little boys That we won't werewolves and go wild I might even venture to say this final outrage speech is a reversion of sorts Which is why it's a bit childish back to before he'd started to try to fit into society a time before his condition I'll tell you what you get all the police.     How does that even work?     He gave him quite a bit of time actually Let alone help him or his ex family employee penny If he saw this place it would make him by the way if in that bathroom If once wane said oh wait, you're the guy who you know, was at the gate yesterday If he didn't if he immediately punched him after that, he'd still be justified.   I'm waiting for it. Come on on chat. You can do it Come on james Somebody just j. All right something JJ JJ. Hmm on stream. Look on twitter. It is on stream On j stream or Wait, it's not like streaming on twitter, right?  What? Why how who wait what the debating who's gayer Jay isn't it Nicholas De Oreo Oh wait, let me try that through here. I should be able to find it.   Jay axie turkey tom. I mean Who is oh, he's Nazi like I've never admitted to you wish you wish All right, we'll have to check that out some other time. Oh, it's apparently internet blood sports as well So that's probably gonna be Oh, wow, I can't wait to not watch it. I was gonna say we'll we'll check back with jay once he's um Sure, jay can tell us all about it. Yeah We're busy ripping into cinema whins and his his his dingle bells Yeah, that's what we're making. I'm not sure how anyone can walk away thinking arthur or the riots He's inspired our alt right and not just a violent occupy movement. What am I missing? Yeah, I know right that ultimately arthur truly isn't political and anything he started was completely accidental But if you have to pin him on one side, it's not the white supremacist side Oh Yeah, it's weird that they would try and it's it's almost like everything that we don't want to like or shouldn't like is alt right or something Yeah, yeah There's no race component of this in the movie. I can't think of a single. Oh, yeah, that's right Uh, he joker calls the one guy brother That makes him a white supremacist. I totally forgot. I forgot He doesn't have a single position in line with them and the riots are not divided on racial lines at all They're divided on class lines. He's mad at the elite again Even that's a stretch because he's just the joker now chaos is his mo It's terrible But he's actually allowing himself to laugh this time because even though he thought killing the free wall street guys was funny Society told him he shouldn't laugh, but it's all out in the open now another parallel from earlier free on the bus Depressed in cops in the back of a cop car. That's a good Beautiful hand actually even more parallels no matter how much he planned He never knew what to do with the gun after the joke again that this joker origin is just a nothing. That's a good I never never noticed that I did I just I noticed the clumsiness Yeah Didn't know what to do next he'd done Something he didn't actually plan Guy living out his last day that turns into forever is really compelling He had nothing to lose because he was ready to die But then thought maybe one more joke, but then he didn't die So he still got nothing to lose so why not keep going? He's free so free that he doesn't even try to escape being arrested at this point again If arthur has any ideology it's that he believes no one sees him That's why this moment is so important to him the reason he tears that ideology Yeah, I was gonna say I was waiting for more Yeah, I would call an ideology So a fantastic reason to continue down the joker path kills three guys gets articles written about him starts a movement Kills a talk show host got them burns and his new henchmen rescue him from the cops And using the blood from his rebirth car crash to form the joker smile sometimes on the nose is just what you need And regardless of how icky you might feel it's a moment he's been practicing for Whether this laughter is his condition or not he's embracing it now The outbursts were always when he was afraid or stressed and now he's trapped looking at his perpetual last day He can just lean into it and let it happen rather than fighting it Almost like he can let the laughter guide how he should feel rather than feeling conflicted. What's so funny? It's somewhat ambiguous He could just be thinking about how funny it is that he inspired the murder of ruse's parents Or at least he thinks he did since he didn't actually see this happen And if he's clairvoyant enough, you wouldn't necessarily need to see it happen if you'd heard about it If he's clairvoyant enough he could no that's not a thing Um, that's not a thing Yeah, but off that He would probably hear about it.   That feels like a big old rich arouni Yeah, you're pulling that out of the ether By him being the reason bruce's parents are dead and none of it happened He's just an arkham plotting his next escape literally making his therapist drop her guard So he can get the jump on her and kill her and escape not to mention the commentary on the state of mental health treatment Where he's just been passed off to another caretaker that wouldn't even know to ask about his condition Because we don't know that yet.  I like the sense of it I have to show a guy getting shot through the head I feel like they would have pulled up this guy's file and they would know that he was in a mental institution Or this is him in there now or he was there like they would know I mean, I don't see how they wouldn't have records So Yeah, booby was a story joker just told the therapist in order to make us the audience feel sorry for him when he's just a bad Dude, or we could try to connect some dots when someone says you wouldn't get it people often respond try me And then he specifically sings the stomping on a dream line from Murray Sinatra theme song called that's life And then has bloody footprints the joke being that he brought the song to life again His style of humor is pretty dry. Well, no one's laughing now That's life and now you're dead. The real fun is that it's left up to you because making any definitive statement about the joker is seemingly impossible I already covered it. I mean, I think there's I've he definitely killed Murray I think I think some of the things in this film absolutely do occur I just don't I don't think it's worthwhile being like, uh, it's all it's all up there.  He's like, oh, but that's hmm We're just gonna pick and choose random things that we think did and didn't have I don't know I just Makes more sense to me that uh, you'd have to have a reason to assume any of the things that May have been hallucinations were hallucinations Something from the film to imply instead of just saying well, look at the way it ended. It's all hallucinations like Or imagined or falsely told But sure The idea that a movie like joker would inspire mass shootings or any kind of violence is dumb Sensationalism from people slash sites looking for clicks and quotes. It isn't supported by any of the That's In fact, the only connection. Hey, man, you can't make like half hour videos on youtube. That's not a thing They put these limits in man. It's horrible. Wow his video. Wow. Can you man? Yeah, his last one was what 12 minutes or something like that She 12 oh my that's that's like 25 minutes in total then Bloody hell Good lord That's true In violent acts because if people are at the movie theater, they're less likely to go violent Sing doesn't even matter what the movie is about movies music and video games Don't make people more violent and even beyond that Arthur doesn't kill because the system mistreated him He kills because they were awful and also Whether you think the movie makes a political statement or not Arthur isn't trying to joker isn't the incel anthem If anything if I if someone was to say rags What is the political message of the joker? I'd be Like uh, you could be rich or poor from anywhere and still be a bad person Yeah That's the way I saw it is that uh, we got bad people all over the place We have we have the downtrodden picking on and making victims of other people who are downtrodden in this film several times And so it's it's not like they're only depicting the rich being horrible in fact some of the You know having the two Wealthy people in an alleyway trying to protect their son get gunned down is not exactly a great way to portray Hey rich people are bad. It's like no It's it's a complicated affair you have to I mean you say something along the lines of how by just blaming Thomas wane does it and I mean everyone does both sides do it if you just blame another group because of their class and assume malicious intent or that intent or all their problems are because of the other group Then you're not talking with them. You're not communicating You are projecting perhaps and that just makes things worse. It just leads to things getting worse. You have to cooperate It's not you know, that's probably The the biggest thing I would pull from it if you said Pull a political message out of the joke. It's more about people than it is politics If you remove the relationships from dexter, does it become toxic? Do you truly believe arthur was driven by his lack of girlfriend? The medaness of trying to pre-blame a movie character for violent acts that haven't even been committed when the character They're trying to blame exist inside a story that clearly says arthur is mentally ill and is trying to use awful people as scapegoats When the truth is that he just thinks it's funny statistically It's actually the media around pieces of art like this talking about it that are more likely to inspire a real I think there's some truth in the fact that arthur killed people becaus