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This guy he been on the show And he been grinding man like ever since I met him. It's always something You know certain people they have to try to figure out something man Let me get something going and then we can you know, man, let me let me get something going and once we get something going man I'm gonna come on there. Thank you, bro. This guy right here always got something going, you know I'm talking keep something going. So here we go man. Listen, man LD 300 is in the building 300 we ever man appreciate your family man. I always Man, you know man Listen man, I'm gonna tell you man. This this album right here hit me man I mean, I was enjoying listening to it man.  Thank you. Let me tell you something and I had to say that because we you always run from the crowns all the Way to the pain made me rich, you know, I'm saying to David Street, you know Like like we're gonna talk about all that today, man Thank you so much for coming on the show man. We like I said, man, you one of them ones man I enjoy sitting down with you, bro, man. I appreciate that Say man, listen, so, you know when you first came From now on I'ma drink all of my drinks One oh one what a boss is talk man. So, you know, babe, what what do you think about how do when you think how do you be working? When I think about I'll do I think about a grind Yeah, he be grinding all the time and he always have an opinion on everything You're gonna enjoy this in a minute.  He's been on boss talk 101, right? You know and he had a few choice words for me meals Rick Ross and It was one mo he Jim Jones, right?   I think I think music has a thing where it does challenge certain people everybody's not on your mental Intellectual level, okay So some of these kids don't have nothing else but the music when you start to let when I say kids Somebody's grown me and stealing kids position mentally because they had never grown up And because of that fathers early and I'm with you and so because of that Meek mill should rap about what what you want like what should he rap about in your opinion? That's gonna feed him. I think he should rap about his story His story is used to be when he had the braids and when he was in the streets And he was rapping and he was rapping doing his free styles He knew about what was going on in street culture a little more than when you come home And you hanging out with billionaires and y'all basically riding around together in Bentley coops and all type of nice Teslas and all type of sprinter vans, you know what I'm saying all I'm saying is This transition I think Jay did a great job with the transition. It's certain rappers that did a great job with these transitions We so selective, you know Jay Cole did he come off the chain after he wasn't like a he'd have a street development at first as well So, you know certain people wrap your truth if you if I had to go no no Entertain the way you choose to entertain and let the market Decide what you should do and what you shouldn't do So if you're making rap songs and they buying it and you like to receive that payment from doing it That's what you should do. It's the one thing about like I feel like about black people as a whole we very quick to criticize each other's success, you know and The reason why I feel like it was a bad thing for the dude The guy from New Orleans. Do you want D1? It's despicable as a rapper To okay, let me break that. I'm gonna break it all the way down at the time when when When he was saying what he was saying Imagine this Rick Ross Meek Mill spent a year making an album, right? It's got all kind of cost to it You know, it's it take a lot to make it look like it ain't nothing happening, right?  I gotta be a tile I gotta go to you know ready and then for somebody to wake up and just say Hey, you know, brother, I love you. You need to change. Oh, you know, it was First of all, I know it was disingenuous It was a it was a move an internet move to get him some clout And I just feel like it's so sad that we had the people that was chiming in And even you what you saying that that he had some point Then you ain't got no point, man, especially Hold on, I'm gonna tell you another thing, especially when you from New Orleans Man, you got us. Why you don't why you didn't open your mouth about your own state first? Like, why would you what would make your mind jump way to Rick Ross and Jim Jones and and meet me when you from the same state with NBA young boy with Fredo Why wouldn't you talk about? OK, so my point is I love what you said about everything I got she agreed with you. Hold on. Listen to me. I've gotten points on both both sides. He did going on Lil Wayne before and Lil Wayne is from that side. Right. He has one in on Jay-Z. So this is not his first time doing this for the make some music, make something. Jan, he makes music. But what's your favorite song by Hold on. Listen to me. Oh, you don't have. Yes, you do. David David David and Goliath. I listen to that. I mean, for one, let me say this off top off top of I'm not, you know, this the larger conversation is about people creating and and with the goal of rocking crowds, you see, in the same breath of, you know, I just don't it is it is so hard. And then I'm going to say for I'm going to just try to be clear. The three artists that we're talking about, right? Or that the guy was talking about, right? You're talking about Rick Ross, Jim Jones, Meek Mill, right? Three individuals that we literally seen, they come up from nothing. Right. Right. We talking about, like, Rick Ross being with slip and slide and loading up speakers for Tony Draper and, you know, like you're talking about from the very bottom ghost riding to finally being blessed to have his own hit record and taking a hit record and creating an empire with it, right? Two people and that's one person. We saw Meek Mill with the busted braids and and and running around, you know, with Atlanta, with T.I. You know, we seen this, you know, all the way to what he is today. And we also seen Jim Jones, right? Coming from not even really a not a rapper, you know, from the projects watching Mace get signed and then watching his homeboy Cameron get signed and take them along with him from him being basically an enforcer to the group of the group to moving up to the to the microphone to being respected as as one of the most formidable rapper in his own right and having a great solo career as a rapper. And this is the, you know, because criticism, everybody can criticize as a rapper, you can do nothing but respect that. There is nothing else. You got to respect what a person did. And if you're making music that connects in whatever way that it connects, you know, that's a blessing. So why would you, as somebody that is in this art form, longing for a connection, trying to establish yourself as an artist, publicly critique somebody that is winning and establishing themselves, especially when. And here's the here's the other point, another major point. You can play a rapper any. You could play and I'm going to kind of narrow it, keep it to rap. You could play a rapper and people can one rapper and people can have a thousand different right, right perceptions of what it is they do. We could play Nipsey Hussle. One person going to say this is a gang banging rapper. I don't want to hear that, you know, out of Crip, blah, blah, blah, gang this net. The next person going to say, man, the independence, the black on the he is really opening my eyes in that way.  Who getting in like, who what's one of these kids is like, you know, we'll put that Rick Ross and I'm going to go kids like, like stop it. You know what I'm saying? We got to understand like this music got many uses to it. And in the same in the same way that like we use talking about some of the content of rap music is bitch, this get money that hold that, blah, blah, blah.   People enjoy this music in all kinds of ways. And I think that it's very really, it's just sound like it's hate. It is. Let me talk. Because it's hate. I got to get in here. I don't think so. I mean, when you follow this guy, like when you go back and you look at D one, if you really watched his run, you see D one early on when he did talk about J and Wayne and 50. OK, let me keep going. I'm not going to interrupt you at all. I was taking a deep breath. OK, OK. But when you think about it, not only that, this this kid taught school for after he got out of LSU, taught kids for years. Now he teaches at Harvard. This guy teaches at Harvard. Not only that, he got songs with Lupe Fiasco, he got songs with Big Crit, he got songs with he got songs with this guy, songs with man and fresh. This dude got a lot of music out there, Drake, Drake. You know, this dude got, yeah, he got accolades. So at the end of the day, he's not just some guy who don't have connections. Kill him, Mike. This guy is not just somebody who hadn't been working with people in hip hop. He ain't just doing this just for cloud. I don't believe. I think that he don't think that I don't think so. But why wouldn't you not reach out to the person specifically? Because I don't think that is a deal for me. That was another point that I wanted to say this. I just want to say that when you look at this dude, D1 and the stuff that he's done, he's done his he's done his due due diligence. He talked about it on here that Rick Ross had a song said, God forgive and I don't. That's one of his things that he brought up on here when we was talking. You know, the thing I look at is this ain't some new message from him. He's been given this same message and take it because he said something about a kid having a little Wayne tattooed on him. That's why he and he didn't even understand what he what what what what what the message was behind what little Wayne was saying in the certain song that he was pretty much pushing out. But the thing I can say is when I when I look at when I look at D1 from what's that boy named a boy's Watkins and all the boys that run with him. You know what I'm saying? He's the one who would run with D1. Okay. He's all even willing to be. I'm pretty sure it's the same thing. These guys in these circles with this dude, they've been dealing with this dude saying like he don't know some reputable people in hip hop. That's all I wanted to go. I don't think he just jumped out here. I want to get attention because he already he got plenty of views. He's doing this thing. He not on a Rick Ross level, I guess, because he's not secular. But the dude has a whole brand that he pushes and he ain't just like running around here. He come here once a month to teach to teach. They fly me in to teach kids here. I have cons and pros for both sides, you know, just like what you were saying, you know, I do respect their grind and their hustle from the beginning coming up. I have listened to a lot of their hits. And yes, I when I was younger, I sang a lot of because I'm a hook. I sing the hook, but the rest of it, I don't know nothing about the rest of it. So we get into all of the other stuff. I mean, I never know what they're saying until when I had to research just now to hear actually listen to the words and know what it was talking about. Right. But I don't that's not going to stop me from singing the the hook, right? Because I like it. But at the same time, I'm not going to go out there and slide or do whatever. Right. But I've known just like, say, R&B, you have some songs that was talking about how this person cheater, this person, this and that. But a certain person who just went through what they're saying, listen to it, want to go and go beat up that woman or want to go do stuff and may even go do whatever because of how what a song is saying. You know what I mean? And I've heard, no, I've seen I've seen that not actually going do it, but would actually leave them like, man, I'm going this because it hyped them up. You understand what I mean? I'm going to hype them up, especially if you are going through whatever they're saying at that time and resonate with whatever that person is saying.  That could have just happened to somebody. And they listen to that song and it'll be like, man, that could have hiked them up. We don't know. Just like I've heard people, I've heard people sitting in that same seat and talk about the reason they ended up on the streets selling drugs and doing whatever they came from a good household. Mom and dad there, they didn't have to need for anything. They didn't have to do that. But listening to this music, glorifying the game, this and that, whatever. I've heard so many times people sitting in that seat and because of that. And the only thing I'm saying is that cameras are in front of it, too. So a lot of people sitting over here with that old cap on their head. Man, let me tell you something. Hold on, hold on, hold on. But what I'm saying is that because what D was talking about was, as I said, the lyrics and the only thing just like you talk about the soul food references soul food. People start to soul food, yes, because, you know, that's what we love.  They end up with high blood pressure to end up with all this other stuff.  Because it's not healthy for you to be consuming that stuff all the time. Exactly. So what I'm saying is that because they've been in that business, they know better, they might feed it to you.  Just like the rappers who have grown from being on the streets, the grind, the hustle, they don't have to do as much anymore. But they still go out there and do their albums and stuff like that. Like he just came over this album, which great work, great, you know, great individual. I love his hustle, as I said, Rick Ross. And all of them, they have great hustle. But what I'm saying is that Rick Ross fan, don't get it twisted.  You understand what I mean? So why not balance what you're doing with some other stuff, showing people how to elevate their game in your music? If you really great at music. And this is the sad thing. If you really great at music, like them people is y'all talking about. They got every song, man. But that's not going to be really emphasized.  This same dude, Rick Ross, he got a song Mama Smile, you know, like people have other songs. But when you when you are looking to critiquing and you go to the worst. Yeah, they're gonna make it seem like that's what it is that you always be doing. It's just it's unfair. But like I said, the only issue that I had with it because it's to be critiqued, you know, I'm saying, but is from a from a rapper like that's crazy. I get it. I get it. And like I said, I just know I sit down with him and watching their music for all these years, I rock with all of them. So I ain't for the set here and act like I'm gonna rock with them. Whatever they doing, because they look like me, I'm gonna be real. I'm kind of throw like that. You know, I'm rocking with it. You know what I'm saying? Like, if it's something else other than I ain't. But when it comes to the music, even Meek Mills, and I'm not a big Meek Mills fan like that. OK, of his music.   Oh, yeah, for sure. And that's that's that's what I'm saying.  It's common sense. But to sit up in and to say publicly to bring a bad look to what somebody is doing in a craft to feed.  I just seen you on the internet with that. And I just wanted to speak on it. Now we went to far in on it for me. But we went way far in on it. But I want to I really want to as a few things that then come across. So we're going to get into the music. Don't even to where I got to ask you about this. I got to because last time, you know, you made some crazy statements on from day one. When you come over, I'm going to change. You did change something right in the midst of it. But this right here came to my desk, man, right before the show. OK, you probably heard it yet because you don't be on it. You ain't had time. You was in traffic, nigga. OK. Honey, come braze. OK. Come out and see it. Jay Prince did not meet him when he got out. He was upset about it. And you might you don't have to speak on. But some he said early in the day on his life, he said you went and met Pimp C and I'm better than Pimp C. Oh, OK. Lyrically, he can touch me. He not know ways, you know, his talent ain't even know where close to man. I don't know if this is a I don't know if this is a plot. I don't know. But you know how I am about Pimp C. Yeah, you like that at all. So I'm trying to figure out what is is these people really is this stuff real on this internet?  Yeah. So I'm just trying to understand, man. Like, like for sure, that is not a truth when it comes down to what I believe. Right. But what make you think what make a person say something like that? Do you know? No, I mean, yeah. This right here with you right now. That's what a person is looking for. They looking for you to say something about it. It's just a new day that we in, man, that we living in an algorithm and in a captioning world. So if you can associate your name in a caption, I'm not saying nothing about Brazier, you know, he just got out of the situation. Just came home. Happen to have him home. Your grandparents have been killed. But his grandparents did get killed right before he left. He's had, you know, and I'm pretty sure you're dealing with whatever. Got to, you know, the traumas that go along with it. But at the end of the day, we living in a in a caption environment where now the caption is going to say, Brazier, yeah. And PMC and then whatever's in between. Yeah, I got something to put up there. Right. You can get you a check out of. Yeah, I got to put me something up there because because that's all I talk about on here. PmC got birthday coming up next month. You know, we will be celebrating here. There has not been a time that we didn't celebrate, you know, PmC's life on his birthday here. And a shout out to his to his family. Son just got home. To Bunn and Bunn and all of their true family. For sure. For sure. Under Bunn. Love them guys, man, Texas, man, stand up, man.  And he, you and him spoke. I think he talked about being on his new project. How was that? And how did you how did that even come about? You know, Bunn, he had been showing love for a while. You know, out of town in Atlanta, people was asking them about me and stuff like that. And he just I was always hearing even before that we had talked that that he was always seeing positive things about me and in certain company.  So just just seeing getting embraced from the ones that we looked up to and still look up to, man, it's always a big thing. It's a beautiful thing. And when you when you because, you know, you know, we've been doing what we've been doing for a while and just to get to a place where you start to be recognized by by your OGs, you know, that's a it's it's no feeling like it. Man, I mean, to be honest with you, man, you see I don't know if you've seen that, but I interviewed him probably about a month two ago, about a couple of months ago now. And, man, that was probably one of my interviews for me personally, a dope interview, because I'm a fan. Right. And I told him before that, like I creeped up on that situation because I didn't want to mess up my fanism and my my whole, you know what I'm saying? Because it's so important to me that my longevity with this, you know, this UGK movement, I don't want to touch that if you're going to mess it up because it's too good to me. And he didn't know that. He didn't know that you in it. Yeah, yeah, like me and my wife, Jamaican, she heard every UGK song riding up and down the road. Every time you're on the road, that's what she's going to get. She got to hear that. We raised on it. So, you know, that. So that's why when it was important to her, she actually reached out to Bud through the DM to, you know, link us up because she knew I wouldn't fit to do it. Yeah. You know what I'm saying?  And we link the same because I'm a year. I'm a couple of years older than Bun. So it's like I'm creeping on this because I know we done met a few times, but I had never had had chances to sit down with him.  And I just, you know, I appreciated that man. So definitely to see you and him after I felt like it was me because I had you on the show. No matter how you just listen. I'm thinking your success is my success. I'm like, OK, that nigga right there. I seen him on boss talk, right? You know, in my mind, I'm out.   So he said, you know what? I need to highlight him and he knew a few people. Yeah, he know he know he and right after that. That's when he comes. And that's the beauty.  And that's how we end up being on the same page. I enjoyed it, man. I love seeing you all link up together, man.  Oh, you weren't going to a before me. Yes, I am. You on a trip, man. So, you're on the same album though, didn't you? So, tell me, tell me about where that came from. Okay, first, like, you know, where all of, you know, I've been out four years now, and this is my 15th album upon being out. So- Which nobody does that. Right, but the, and then not necessarily even just about music, I mean, about my particular, I just feel like everybody, this is, that's one of them, one of them statements that I feel like it's applicable to all of us.  So for me is, I went through a lot of, a lot of self-inflicted things. It wasn't the music fault, it wasn't, it was nobody fault but my own, right? So it wasn't from listening to music when you was younger? No, it wasn't for, it wasn't the music fault, right? But everything, I always was really kind of having fun throughout my process, like it was, and then I kind of always knew that whatever I was going through at a particular moment, like I kind of retained it, I retained it from a level of like, I'm gonna use this one day, you know what I mean? This is gonna be worth some, you know? Just everything, you know, like my friends, people I was locked up with, they became like brothers, just everything, like my journey period, music, even, you know, from just everything about it, like the growing up, seeing your favorite rappers on CDs and whatever, and to now being friends with these rappers, you know? And you put it all in this.   I can't imagine that.   Like, I'm gonna get out of the mirror. I don't recall it. I mean, no. I don't really remember the thinking process, really, of starting, I remember just starting them, and you know, you just kind of keep on going, and next thing, you know, you be covered up, but yeah, just like I say, everything. Elevation, though.  Is that what you meant?  Like, I'm really being cheered on every day. Somebody telling me something positive every day, like people, you know what I mean? People hear me from Finland. Like, I just got on your, you know, that. And so sometimes, you know. Does it blow your mind? Sometimes it be needed, like you need it. It come right when you need it, you know? You got it. So it's just a beautiful thing, man. And we got a long way to go. So it's just, this is to mark this point in time of, this is just how I was feeling in the moment coming off of David Street and just, I kind of felt like these albums for me, you know, moving to Houston and being inside of the understanding of how, you know, we make music, you know, as self-made or key or me and key or whatever. I kind of felt like this was an elevation for me musically. Just really showcasing what I have learned since being in Houston. What about conker culture? Right.  Right. You know what I'm saying? I went through that, I went through that listening. You say you selling niggas culture? I'm like, y'all had a man listen, man. Every time you don't ever fail. Like, what made you do that song and name that song that? Oh, man, just.   Like, I used to sell drugs like man, people is hitting me up for boxes and a shirt and a CD and I'm selling myself. I'm selling the way I talk, the way I, you know what I'm saying? The way we see things and the way we interpret things.  They want to have something tangible to hold on to to kind of, you know, mark this moment in time for them as well. So, yeah, we really literally out here selling culture. Out here selling culture, man. Yeah, and you had some, you had a few collabs on that thing, man. Like, it was a lot, it was, it was more than, I think more than David Street for show. Like more features on this one. Man, dealing with creative people and being able to work together and collaborate and bring ideas to life. And man, that's, that's, see, that's something that I hadn't really, I hadn't been doing as far as like, I just got out here and just put my head down and just started, you know, doing albums by myself.  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.   Mr.  How did you know who you was gonna have on that song? How do I know? I really- That's some particular action. I'm gonna tell you, just in the process of doing this, what I have found out, you are a conduit to kinda, you know, help things go along or whatever, but man, at the end of the day, the music really be making itself. And you may have an idea for one person to get on there and it don't be, it's not for them, you know, it's for somebody else. So really all you can do is kinda, you know, kinda hurt it this way or kinda hurt it that way, but whatever it's supposed to be in the end, that's what it's supposed to be. That's why this, man, the craft of music making and all of this stuff, man, it's a really spiritual endeavor. So when you see that, again, like, that's why you gotta be careful when you talk about people's stuff, man, because this is a spiritual undertaking. It's not, I'm waking up and I'm saying it's not that. You don't have as much control over this stuff as you think, as somebody outside the culture would think. But in your music, you're talking your truth, right?  I am letting myself as whatever the frequency is of whatever song or whatever the energy is, I am listening to that as well. I'm letting it happen, if you wanna say, like, I'm not really thinking about it, to be honest. It's a certain energy that you get into for each different song, the same as if it was a slow, filly kind of song. Whereas as you become in tune with whatever feeling that whatever comes out of you at that moment, that's what the song is. I can't make that song without the music first, you know what I mean? I can't, it's a marriage of certain things that makes it happen. It's not no fucking, this ain't making burgers. This is the music game. And when you start talking about the way when people are responding to you in a certain way as if, man, you did that and it touched me, it's a humbling feeling for both of us. You see what I mean? It's like, wow, that's what it did.  I hear that track, I vibe with it. That's me and his spirit right there. I may think, okay, I'm gonna get stuff on this to sing the hook, but now hers is in there, you know? And you saying this, I'm rapping this, he put this feeling into, and then we shoot the video, we do the, and they respond to it, however they respond to it. Or guess what?  And then you back to the drum board to express again, to see, you know what I'm saying? Do you understand what I'm saying? Yeah, let me ask you about something that just crossed my, big poke, man. He passed away, and last project, you had a big poke out on that project, and I know he would have been on this project. For sure. So like, that's something, that's an empty space that we didn't even see coming. Yes. For that to happen the way it did. I remember you had some harsh words that you said when he first passed away. Of course. It was like, don't, it was something you said, like don't put all this over, it was like almost a, What did I say? You said it in the moment, it was like about. He said it on social media? He said it on social media. Man, were you sure? I'm pretty sure it was. It was something, it may not even have been to that, but it was almost like a fake love thing, like J-Dog did, I think. It was almost like, you know what I mean? Like when somebody passed. I don't recall it, but I would say I was. I'm telling you it happened, I was looking at it. I mean, I know you're not lying. But it made sense, like, it was almost like, don't contact me with it. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, you remember that. Yeah, I do remember that. I remember, I love you, so I'm always watching you. It wasn't, it wasn't like a thing. You win, I win. You repeat exactly what you said. Or first someone, let's say this, I wasn't in my feelings about it. I really wasn't. I don't think that either.  Like, you know, like, I don't wanna be all dancing. Man, Al is you all right and all that. Hey, man. I felt that. Stop. And I didn't call him at once. I don't even think I called him about that. No, like, like, it is. But I know you, I felt that people, you was trying to get a message out to say, hey, man.  Man, you know that, you know people be nosy, man. Some of them, but some of them genuinely do, probably can't. If you genuinely, okay, can we, that's what I'm saying. I have to be careful. That's why I really kinda tone down on the interviews because things can be misconstrued. When you, what I'm trying to say is that my mama died. Okay? Your mama's, your mama's dead? My mama's dead, my daddy gone. Your daddy gone? Mm-hmm. So if, if. So you saying if they didn't call you to check on you then then don't call and check on you at all. No, no, no, I'm not saying that. You've been through a lot already. I'm saying that exactly. Like, man, some of my closest friends undied. A lot of, you know what I mean? Like, hey, you know what I'm saying? It's life. Yeah, I mean, I'm to the point now where it's life. And you know, and one thing I know for sure is that it's gonna happen to me too. Mm-hmm. And all we can do when we lose people, man, is try to get the lessons. Man, Polk was a great guy, a lovable dude, so cool.  And like, just his spirit, he a humble soul, man. And he was just a individual that can light up the room. He had real rap aura, you know?   What lesson have you learned from him? Work hard while you got the opportunity.  Cause if you neglect your opportunities and you don't maximize your moment, the blessings that you get, you know, later on when maybe you're not in the greatest health and you gonna be in a position where you, where you gotta work hard anyway and that could be to your detriment, you know? Man. You gotta try to get it, why the getting is good, you gotta get it, you know what I mean? Don't, that way when, if ever you get a, you know some kind of bad prognosis, you know? You can adjust knowing that, man, I put my work in when I had the opportunity, but that's neither here nor there. We love him. And like I said, just a brother that embraced me real fast, man, due to Keith for sure. And just being around him and just his energy was definitely very contagious.  He was just a real laid back humble dude, man, that had this gift that was effortless to him and that he really wasn't.  Like what, give me something, the fans deserve it. I was okay, like when we had to go to this place to go film this one part of the video and I remember when he came in with the mud bully kennel shirt on, I remember thinking like, oh, damn, you gonna wear your business shirt?    But he was definitely very fly.  Like I wouldn't know a boss talk shirt to his video, but he just was a great dude, man. I really was just so happy that he was even there to begin with. We shared a lot of laughs. I'm glad we got a lot of that on film. And man, like, I remember we went to, it was Key's party, but I forget what, it was definitely a party for 25 summers. And man, like, just to think that we at this party and we laughing and talking, and he don't even got two more weeks. He don't even got another week left, you know, like on the planet, like, and the same picture from this night was on the obituary, you know what I mean? I mean, it was like, cause so every time I see that picture, I can't help but think of like, man, we, you know, when we go to these parties, like that's our thing, you know what I mean? Like, that's my boy, man. So it's like we, he's my party partner. Mean that like, that's who I be with. I get by him in these parties where Key is the lead dog or whatever.   So to build something with the family, to leave with them so that they're okay, not only financially, physically, but also mentally. For sure. And to get the most out of your gifts. Yeah.  So try to, try to lead with a certain sense of urgency, like have a sense of urgency about what it is that you're doing. You don't want to get marginalized out of your moment due to not giving all you got. He would have definitely been on pain, made me rich. Oh, for sure. Man, let's talk about that, Texas Tough Man. He do got an album coming though. He do? Yes. I gotta make sure I say that. Yeah, he got an album coming. Oh, when is that coming out? It's not my place to say. Yeah, okay. But he definitely, he definitely got an album coming though. Okay. For sure. Texas Tough Man, you and Kiki, of course, I hear y'all and I love hearing y'all collab, man, cause y'all dope, but to see Twisted Black getting that thing and he was not playing. I listened to it. I said, that nigga was not playing, he fit right on up in everything. He held his business. How did you feel about the track? And like, like, how did you, how did that even come about? Black. Of course, you know, that's my boy. You know what I mean? Yeah, yeah, love Black, love Black. I'm gonna tell you what's crazy. How I first started talking to Black. Bink, legendary producer, big on Rick Ross catalog. Bink is my boy. Bink the humble monster. Bink had called me one day with DJ Tump on the phone, on FaceTime. And so like, I'm like, damn. And it shows like DJ Tump and Bink.  You know what I mean? Like, legend is great, you know. You know, DJ Tump, like rubber band, man. You know what I mean?  And they was asking me basically like what I thought about twisted Black. He had just came home at the time or something, right?  What I mean? What I think, you know? I don't know. And they was asking me basically what I thought that he should be doing, right? Like asking me for some type of insight. Mind you, if you know about rap history, man. Black was before he got incarcerated or whatever. Man, Black had a million dollar deal on the table. Meaning that somebody thought enough of him to give him a million dollars to rap. You know what I mean? Back to the questioner, what the hell is y'all calling me for? You know what I mean? What is you asking me to, you know, to critique his situation, whatever. But, you know, they was just asking my insight. You know, we talked and, you know, we, as far as I chopped game with them. And then somebody else was asking me about him as well. So, yeah, it just seemed like it was, and I think I called you right. Like I was like, I was like, let me in. Yeah, you called me in, then we linked up with him. You know, we already was talking, you know, but it was just something that was organic because you already have been talking around with him as well. And I had already told him about you. Right. I told him about you when I interviewed him. I'm like, man, you give it, he like, you know, I was like, yeah, you need to talk to the ID.  And on my mind, I'm like, if I can link y'all together, then I can definitely get him to understand the way you're developing in this environment. It's really important. To me, it's like the way you are developing versus the way he's developing, it's going to be important to him to see your development. That's all, you know what I mean? And to see you and to say, I can do it after being locked up for so many years. Right, but we learned from each other for sure. For sure. But I knew that that would be, because I knew he's live, I knew he don't, but I wanted to see both of y'all kind of talk and come into your element because I knew that you already, you see what you didn't try to both ways. Nigga, you been out here selling boxes of goodies ever since I met you. You got all kinds of SD cards and all kinds of stuff. Then you went and you started dealing with the streaming and you know, working, you trying to figure it out on that end, I seen this with my own eyes. And you, out of anybody to me, would be able to give some good advice on how to survive in this environment. Right. That's what I did. Apparently a few people thought like this. Same way. You know, just us talking, intelligent brother, man, just, I'm going to tell you another thing, really just real niggas, man. Like we just got to help each other. Like it's one of them situations where you don't, it's not enough of us to get to choose.  So we got to help each other in whatever way we can. And upon, like another thing is, you know, of course I'm very connected into Fort Worth politics and stuff like that. So, you know, everybody told me that, that he was a real nigga, really. They say he was solid. They say his character was, was great. What'd you think about that verse on that, on that song? That's, that's, see this. That whole went hard. Back to what we said. That whole went hard. When you got the other stuff. That whole went hard, nigga. It can go easy, man. You niggas killed that. It can go easy, man. I know y'all be getting mad at me a lot of times because I'm the type of nigga to put y'all up against anybody. Right. Y'all niggas don't want to go though. Y'all, now man, that's, you know, a lot of niggas don't, I'd be like, man, Kiki do this, man. L.D. might be this and niggas get mad cause I don't care. You know, I'm out here putting in my building blocks together. You go get that nigga.  And I really stand on this. This is what I believe.  Man, I'm gonna tell you. Because this is the South. And I'm not trying to hear about this whole broken scale that niggas been using for years. So quit trying to make me, I'm not with that. It's a lot of talented rappers, a talented artist period. That's right. In the state of Texas, man. And I would advise you to, you know, talk to them killer callions and Cal Waynes. I'm gonna bring that, it's on, what's the name of that song? It's on me or, what's the name? Maybe it's me. Maybe it's me. Kyle. I seen you and killed a callion and looked up on that. Yeah, but I'm gonna tell you something, like, just, and like, have this in your mind because it's one thing to like, when you, when you call is, is, Callion is one of the, probably what a lot of people will say is the top lyricists in Texas, right?  And plus he got a, he got a lustrous history as far as doing this thing. It's one thing to think to yourself, like as, as a formidable person yourself, like, that you gon' kill whatever, whoever, blah, blah, blah. But then when we go to the studio though, yeah, and we in here together, do you still have that same confidence? That's what I'm saying.  It's easy to talk about how, how good you think you are, but you haven't never made a project and a million people went to go buy it, one million people. See what I'm saying?   So I ain't even trying to hear none. If you can get on that track with Lil Kiki, nigga up in Texas, nigga, it's a, for me, that's hard, bro.  I'm just going to be real with you. Hey, let me, let me say this about that. I'm glad you said that. I'm just going to be real with you. I don't care who don't like it. It don't matter who don't like it. But I want to, I want to, I want to really make sure that I say this because I see, I definitely got the time to do it. I really do got the time to do it because it didn't go as, we good. Oh. We really good, you know? And it's only how I want that to be understood. Okay. Okay, so I want to, I want to make sure that like, that I say this on record. Man, key, first, before I get to key, man, I've been very fortunate in my rap life to have great teachers. Of course, a lot of people know I was like there were Rory, Rory, definitely. Shout out Rory, that's my guy right there. He give me a lot of trouble though, but it's all good. I got to get him on the mic cause too many niggas keep coming until he can rap. He can rap. He the best rapper live, Texas, nigga world. I'm on him, man, I'm on him. This boss talk, you know, podcast one on one, like you- So unique hustle. Really a unique hustle, he's everywhere in it. We got to figure this out, but go ahead, that's my guy. So when you talk about like, first of all, you can give somebody and bestow upon them the fundamentals and then they take it to wherever they gonna take it to.    You know what I mean?  Do we like it or do we not? And I get that.  Not to say you're going to do the exact same thing, but when you know how, like if I teach you how to make kale and now you know the, for your taste, you might put this or this. Exactly. Right. But just being in a situation where I've been blessed to be with him like creates and just to elevate my game musically to understand that this is a spiritual thing. This is not just, you know, just making music and you know, just saying something is, is collaboration is energies is, you know what I mean? Energy is everything. And it's, it's you, you are responsible with making sure that the right energies to produce the results that you want are in place.  Yeah, I'm going to be real, man. Like when I think about just what you've been able to accomplish in the time that you've been home and all the stuff that you've done, man, it's just incredible to see, you know, what, what you've done.  Right.  You got to pray. You got to pray.  Do you want to hear the sad reality? Let's talk about it.  Come on now. And it's really not. You know what I mean?   Of course you have to pray and all of that, but meaning first and foremost, you got to pray.  It's not. It's like, it's not. I think once you put yourself out in a limelight, no matter what type of career you're in, you put yourself out there for criticism for, it's like you have to have that thick skin, whether you're in music, blogging, content, creating, whatever, because you put in your life out there, just like I used to always say, I was always feel sorry for some celebrities because they have no privacy.  That's a trade-off. But is it worth it? Oh, depends on how much you really want to do what it is that you're doing, you know? It's never gonna be an even balance to anything that you're trying to do.  You're gonna be lacking because there is no balance.   Die in it. Love the streets, man. Delicia J, how did you end up picking her to be on that song? And it had like an R&B-ish feel to it too, which was real, it was a real fly vibe. Thanks. And Trey Ward. Yeah, I heard both of them. Like, they both came, they actually complimented one another. Right, and that's the whole goal, man, to put people in positions where they can, see this, you know what I'm saying? This is my development as an artist is, has led me to wanna use my platform, my albums or whatnot to put people in a position to be, do what they do and be their best selves, you know? I feel like that's part of my responsibility, you know? To kinda lay it out to where people can, because, you know, basically that's what's been done for me. Wow.  Key and of course, DZ and just anybody, you know?  Like, they just was blessing my game and it was, you know, for me to have like this many and to being like this cycle and this process of creating and releasing music, you know?  Yeah, sure. I just wanna say thank you for coming on the show. I don't wanna let you get out of here, I'm about to let you get out, but I mean, you did, what is it? 15 tracks on this, okay, what track sticks out to you?  All of it, it's a cohesive project.   We do what we do, we put the work in, and it's for a certain, it's for a certain outcome, and we always on to the next thing too. So, I just, I look and expect for people to come away with, um, like, you know, to just feel the effort in it, and to know like, damn, this nigga done took it to another level. Man, pain made me rich, man. Y'all need to get, stream that. I'm gonna say this right now, anybody who think this project right here, go listen to the lyrics, get your best rapper, I don't care if you're in the East Coast, West Coast, in the South, go listen to this album and tell me, cause I just don't think, hey, it's gonna be hard to touch. This is my opinion, you can't say nothing, nigga. This is my opinion, go check it out. If you got somebody that can go ball for ball with him, let me know. We gonna put him right here in this seat beside him. I seen him on rap economics the other night too. He's not nobody to play with.  But this nigga right here, man, listen, shout out to Papa Doc too, I know you're gonna want this one. You're gonna want this one, baby. I got it, and you're gonna want it, you know what I'm saying? Man, thank you for coming on the show, man, but I really don't think lyrically there's nobody touching you right now. That's my opinion, y'all know what I'm saying? I've seen you do this over and over again. Mr. Lee's seen it in you. Lil' Kiki's seen it in you. Robbie's seen it, everybody's seen it in you. I see it in you. You know what I'm saying? Ain't nobody touching that, bro.  I don't know what I'm saying. Go check that out, man. If you think you don't listen, listen, the goat is in the building. Y'all niggas better get it. Yeah, let's get it. Oh yeah, I don't make them come for you. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, come for it, he ain't scared. I don't know, man, I'm not. But we very blessed, though, man. But we humble, man. We very blessed, and we've been given this opportunity. And you know, we just gonna continue to master gas and get the most out of it. Lil' Kiki, man, where you at, baby? You know already, you've been on Boston. You talk about this all the time. Kiki, done, Kiki, where you at, baby? This time, I know we didn't get to do it last time, but I got your bone here again. I'm on it. He actually coming. He actually coming. I know it, I know. I'm ready for to get him. I gotta get him up in here. You know what I'm saying? He say he coming here for show. Yeah, we gotta do it, man. I thank you guys, man. Love you guys, man. How can people get a hold to you? Man, add the 300 on every platform. A, L, hyphen, D, asterisk, 300, no spaces on any, on anything, man. So, you know. Man. It's a unique hustle.  Now we out.


It's time now for the big question in which we tackle a major news story of the day from multiple points of view. NHS bosses in England are urging former employees to come out of retirement and others to postpone their retirement to help tackle waiting lists. More than six million people are on waiting lists for treatments such as knee and hip surgery, and it's feared that waiting lists could grow upwards of 12 million. Meanwhile, a record 2.7 million people were referred to cancer checks in the last year as a result of fewer cancer patients being seen during the pandemic. This also comes after a major report into maternity failings at an NHS trust found that at least 200 deaths could have been avoided. Plus, if that wasn't bad enough, the ratio of patients to doctors in England has reached over 2,200 patients per GP, with millions now struggling to get an appointment even online. So is the NHS still fit for purpose? Is the principle of free at the point of need a sacred one which must be protected at all costs with the state delivering the bulk of health services, or do we think the unthinkable and take the service out of public hands? That is tonight's big question. Is it time to privatise the NHS? To debate this, I'm delighted to welcome Dr Julian Spinks, who's been involved in NHS clinical management and medical politics for 25 years, and has experience of clinical guideline writing for the National Institute for Health and Care Excellence. Also delighted to welcome a former nurse, Sarah Jane Palmer, who also worked in the NHS's cardiology, hospices and care management departments in the community, alongside having 230 articles published in medical journals. And last but not least, I'm delighted to welcome one of America's most popular online talk show hosts, Jaron Brooke, a man with a deep faith in free enterprise and open markets. Jaron has a PhD in finance and has been featured in major publications such as the Wall Street Journal, USA Today and Investors Business Daily. So let's get into this. What are your thoughts, by the way? Mark at GBNews.uk. Dr Julian Spinks, we'll start with a kind of insurance policy here, a health warning on this conversation, which is that those working in the NHS are world class, are frontline doctors, nurses, hospital porters, cleaners, they do an amazing job. But does the system need a rethink? Well, certainly the system doesn't work as well as it should. It's been underinvested for decades. And certainly in general practice, we found this, we are now losing doctors, we're hemorrhaging doctors at the moment, which is why we've got those big list sizes. And that's why people can't get appointments and so on. So certainly work needs to be done. But I think we've got to be very careful what we want. And because there's a danger that we might actually throw the baby out with the bathwater. I mean, money is obviously a factor. The issue is that Britain faces major economic challenges now, post-pandemic. The cupboard's bare, isn't it? I mean, we're going to have to look at efficiencies within the health service, rather than pumping more billions in. And I think that's what's so difficult. If we had loads of money in the NHS to start off with, we would have actually got through the pandemic much easier. If we had more beds, France has got twice as many hospital beds for the size of population. In particular, intensive care or just beds primarily? Generally, to be honest with you, because there were people who didn't end up in intensive care but needed to be in hospital. Germany's got three times as many hospital beds as we do. Now, I'm not saying we need that number, but it's gone down and down and down for about 30 years. We've got GP practices closing so the smaller numbers of those choice goes down. So that does need to be tackled. Having said that, for example, the GP services is incredibly financially efficient. The practices I run get around £150 per person per year to provide everything. And that covers all our costs, our staffing and so on. And for that, people get on average six consultations a year. So it's considerably less than you pay going to a vet or going to a lawyer and so on. And it's difficult to see how you'll replace that that cheaply. But if the private sector couldn't scan people more cheaply or do hip replacements or heart surgery more cost effectively, if they could actually tender for those jobs, what's not to like? Well, we've been trying that. And sometimes it is very successful. And others, it's been a disaster. We had a whole series of independent sector treatment centres that were set up, which were paid more than the NHS, ended up doing less work. And in fact, they were being paid even though they didn't do any work at that time. And they could cherry pick the easy patients. So all the tricky ones ended up in the poor NHS hospitals, and they were getting the ones. So you've got to be careful that you don't actually sort of buck the trend and actually make a situation worse. Having said that, using private providers, GPs are all effectively private providers. Because we've been partners, we're small businesses, we're not with the employees of the NHS with a budget. And in fact, I was a fund holder. And that was a very successful time. Because I worked with my patients, I had a pot of money so we could give them more choice, you know, without having to go down the idea of having an insurance policy or something like that. And I love our GPs and it's great to have a GP here. I'll show you my lump in a minute. But before we do that, there's another issue which is the culture of the NHS in relation to the patient. Some people take the view that if the public had to pay 10, 15, 20 pounds for a GP appointment, they would turn up on time and they wouldn't ask for that appointment if they didn't need it. Certainly my experience has been, for example, with weight loss. When we've had free weight loss, actually people don't turn up. Whereas when they pay to go to a commercial company, they are more likely to. But the other end of the spectrum is you're then coming into who can actually pay for it and who can't. And you know, I look at it and what I would dread is ending up having to deal with a health insurance company rather like a car insurance company or a house insurance company.  And when you talk to Americans, they really hate their insurance companies. Sarah, Jane Palmer, I'm going to come to you in a second. You're on Brook. You broadcast and live in the United States where the set-up's very different. It's completely privatised. What are your views of the UK system? Well, first, the US system is not completely privatised. It's dominantly government run. But it's credit card healthcare, isn't it? No, well, 50, 60% of all the dollars spent in the United States on healthcare are spent by the government. So it's a mixed system. In a sense, it's the worst of both worlds. And I don't advocate for hybrid systems. I want to see everything privatised. It strikes me as stunning that in every other industry we understand that central planning doesn't work. We've tried central planning bread production. We've tried central planning food. We've tried central planning, all kinds of things. It doesn't work. It creates shortages. It creates lines. It creates malinvestment. It creates unbelievable inefficiencies. And yet in healthcare, somehow we think is special and unique and different. It's not. It's an industry. It needs to be produced by GPs, by nurses, by hospitals, by people who produce the service, and they are customers to somehow believe that we can take this unbelievably complex system and centrally planted, given a bunch of bureaucrats, the power to decide how to allocate resources, who should get what, what are the best treatments, instead of letting a market work where it works so beautifully in where it's allowed to work. In every product where we allow markets to work, we get beautiful results. Why not try it in health? Well, we know that's often how unscrupulous dentists operate that they'll take out your molar because they want to make a few more quid. You know, will we have people profiteering from operations that patients don't need in order to make money, or dispensing drugs in order to fulfil the bottom line? Saving lives. Saving lives, you're on. I'm all about saving lives. I want to save lives and I think that we should be a matter of profit, should it? Of course it should be a matter of profit. Food is a matter of profit. Without food, we would all starve and yet food is a matter of profit. And we go into the grocery store, a supermarket, and it's amazing, the variety, and we get food from all over the world and we get better and better food, and particularly if we demand better and better food, we can go to different grocery stores. Each one of us can select what kind of food we get. So no, look, there's always going to be some unscrupulous somebody. There's always going to be crooks. But to design a whole industry, because there might be a few bad apples, to design it around the bad apples is a mistake. Don't root out the bad apples. Don't the insurance companies inflate the cost of health care, though, for profit. I mean, isn't that the point in America that the cost of treatment and the cost of medication is just inflationary? No, what inflates the health care cost in the United States is Medicare and Medicaid, which is like the NHS, is zero cost at the point of service. That's what inflates the cost of health care in the United States. And look, in spite of the fact that health care costs are very high in the United States, 70% of all medical innovations happen in the United States. That's not an accident. It's because a segment of the U.S. health care system is still private. But the principle here is don't we want to give consumers choice? Don't we want to give doctors and medical practitioners the ability to be innovative, to use their ingenuity, to think for themselves, to provide alternative services, to compete with one another so that we can get the best life-saving treatments possible. But if, God forbid, you're having a coronary incident in your living room, the first thing the paramedics going to say to you is show me your credit card. First of all, that doesn't happen. That doesn't happen. It doesn't happen in the U.S. It doesn't happen in the U.S. You get the bill at the end of it, though, don't you? Sure, you get the bill at the end of it, but the insurance company gets the bill. And the beauty is that properly constructed insurance markets, true markets, not the kind we have in the United States that are heavily regulated and controlled and put into these one-size-fit-all kind of models, but true insurance companies are cheap. They're not expensive. And if you're worried about the very poor, then subsidize them. Give them a voucher that allows them to buy a health insurance policy that provides them with all those basic coverages. And so when the medic walks in, he knows that you have insurance. He takes you to the hospital. They take their card. Everybody has one of those cards. And they give you the best treatment they possibly can. Why? Because they're trying to make money. And the fact is that when you go to any kind of business today, you get treated well. Why? Because the company that's treating you is trying to make money. It doesn't work to treat your customers badly. That's not a profitable way to service your customers. Sarah Jane Palmer, a former nurse. You've written hundreds of articles for publications in the medical field. What's your view? Is it time to think the unthinkable and privatize the NHS? I think that it would be an absolute travesty to privatize the NHS, if I'm honest. I think there's been a slow development since the Health and Social Care Act in 2012 of different services being sent to private companies rather than being managed under the NHS. And I feel that this slow growth of private companies taking over parts of the NHS has done a real disservice to the NHS and we need to be able to concentrate on building up the NHS and rethinking the funding that we have and with policy being changed, hopefully we could manage the current situation and improve it. But if it was commercialized, then we'd just see the disparity between different socioeconomic groups just widening. It would widen and as Jaron was saying, you know, I disagree, like you're saying that the poorest people can be subsidized with a basic voucher, but often the poorest people are the ones with the most complex conditions. So really, it wouldn't be enough to give them the cheapest policy anyway. So I think it would be a real societal problem. However, I mean, it started, didn't it, in the 80s, under thatcher and it carried on under Blair in the 90s, which is allowing cleaning companies, for example, to competitively tender for cleaning services and what they would say to, you know, a particular cleaning company would say to a hospital group is we will clean your hospitals and we will guarantee a certain standard of hygiene and we'll do it for half the price that the NHS is doing it. Surely that's positive and don't you want to expand that into other parts of health care? Well, you'd think that was positive, but it's less money and also accountability. I have to say, I was there and they bid very low and then provided a really dreadful service and in fact all the way through. It's not the fault of the contract. The contract should state that you must achieve these standards. Absolutely right, but I mean, they did things like, for example, saying we clean the walls once a week and then what happened was if someone had a nasty spillage on the walls, oh no, we don't come round until later and then they had to pay people extra to go in to do the additional cleaning. It didn't work very well and I agree with you, it's the way the contracts are written and monitored and the fact that they went for the cheapest rather than the best, most cost efficient. The worry I have about these sort of red in tooth and claw American style system is it's massively expensive and in fact it produces poorer outcomes. They have much poorer maternal mortality, neonatal mortality and so on, right across the board. They are one of the poorer performing health systems. I understand the cost to the U.S. taxpayer is double of a U.K. taxpayer in terms of health care provision. That's true. If you have cancer, you're much likelihood of survival is much higher in the United States than it is in Great Britain. If you have heart disease, your probability of survival is much higher in the United States. Then when you take into account the fact that the United States has a large population of people who treat themselves badly, obesity and bad habits and all of that, when you take all of that into account, outcomes in the United States are not worse than they are here and yes, we pay a lot of money to take care of myself. It's nobody's business. That's the beauty of a private health care system. Why is it your business how much I spend on health care? When you socialize things, yes, I care about how much you spend because I'm paying for it. Sarah Jane, I mean, is the NHS fit for purpose in its current setup? Well, I think at the moment it's really struggling and I think the waiting lists are really far too long and obviously a lot of operations are having to be sent to private companies anyway to deal with and I just, yeah, I think it's not managing well at the moment at all and if it carried on like this I can see why there'd be an argument to privatize it but ultimately I don't agree that that is a fair system that should be introduced and I think it would introduce a lot of societal problems. Isn't the issue though notwithstanding your concerns about the poorest in our society which I share, it's a question of accountability, isn't it, that at the moment the health provision is provided by the state and the accountability just isn't there and with the profit motive you always get accountability. So you're thinking as in there'd be public health behaviors improving. Or potentially but also if the provision of healthcare was done by the private sector they would have to demonstrate their performance. That's true but still it doesn't benefit everyone. They could say we've done this many scans this year, we've done this many heart operations and we did it at this price. They can meet targets and but the thing is is that prices will rise and there'll be a lot of different contractors all competing with each other and prices will rise further and the disparities will grow between socio-economic the competition not bring the prices down. I don't know. I mean what one thing I want to ask you is I mean you've been at the cold face as the good doctor is here as well as a nurse. What's it like working in the NHS at the moment? It can be pretty terrible. It can be very understaffed and you find that often the situation is that because you're so understaffed you end up with private agency workers who are doing the same job as you but for a much higher rate of pay then working with you on the ward and that seems unfair but it's also not very safe because they're not used to the ward or the patients or that speciality. So it's not functioning well in terms of that and then you've also got a lot of patients and relatives who are very frustrated by constant cancellations of operations and delays in various of their healthcare needs. I mean do you think money is the answer because many of my viewers are exasperated by how much the NHS already spends? Well I think it's how they use the funding is the most important thing and that the commissioning of the different services really needs to be thought about in a different way and expo panels need to be got together to really discuss how to manage the NHS better. I think the current management of the NHS is just not fit for purpose in the way that they... Yeah you're on many would argue that the NHS is the envy of the world because whatever happens to you as a citizen in this country you receive free medical treatment at the point of need and you also have this sort of singular unitary body which actually commissions you know the healthcare and the cleaning services employs the staff it's very coherent it's just one monolithic structure It's one monolithic structure when and as a consequence you get very mediocre and often very poor very poor outcomes and you... It's got great great buying power though I mean you know about big business you stand in line it's a very powerful customer of the NHS it is but imagine imagine if the United States became like the NHS and we started paying the same drug prices as you do because we were a big customer drug companies would not make any money there would be no new innovation in drugs so what happens today the fact of reality is today that the United States because we pay higher prices and drugs are subsidizing the entire research and development of new drugs in the entire world because you are using size in order to drive with down prices it's not always good to drive down prices profit gets reinvested into innovation into new products into better services yeah and I think fires are certainly aren't going to be going hungry anytime soon let's hope they continue with their research and development very briefly from all of you starting with you we should thank them for the for the vaccines right well I guess we should definitely definitely I mean absolutely two right as long as it's personal choice to have it yes you're on very briefly and all of you with the clock against us first starting with you you're on what is your prescription for the British health service well I'd say for any health service it is to privatize as much as possible and I think as much as possible is close to a hundred percent how about you Sarah Jane your prescription for the NHS if you were health secretary if I were health secretary secretary I would say that policy needs to rethink expert panels need to get together funding needs to be reorganized commissioning needs to be changed and I think we need to bring back some of the private services we've currently got with other contractors back to the NHS and so the NHS can work as one big system you're out of the NHS now are you going to go back into it at all I might do I'm thinking about it yeah well look our our gain is their loss and it was great to have you on the show tonight thank you so much as with the good doctor as well very briefly do you not think that the public need to meet the NHS halfway and take more responsibility for our own well being because you do wonder whether the national health service has become the national sickness service and we're just treating at great expense self-inflicted lifestyle related conditions absolutely health is not something that's done to you health is something you do with our help and so unless we take that as you it's not going to work it's not sustainable at the moment is it it isn't but what I don't want is to be in a situation like in the States where you can go bankrupt because of your health bills what is your prescription for the NHS then as a top GP I mean my feeling as a mixed economy is fine why not have some private providers properly monitored and contracted and so on to increase capacity because we desperately need that but ultimately you can't do any of this without actually paying sufficient to run the service Julian Sphinx thank you so much for joining us many thanks to Dr Julian Sphinx who's been involved in NHS clinical management and medical politics for 25 years top GP also my thanks to a former nurse Sarah Jane Palmer and the very popular online US talk show host he's an absolute what can I say wordsmith I could listen to him for hours even if we don't agree and I'm delighted to say that Yaron returns to GB News on Sunday night for an appearance on free speech nation can't wait for that what do you think is it time to think the unthinkable and privatize the NHS what has your experience been of health services in the last few months mark at GB News


Former governor of Abuya State, Ojiwuzo Kalu, has formally informed the President, Mohamed Dabari, of his intention to run for Senate President. This is amidst the ongoing lobbying for the next leadership of the upper and lower chambers of the Tent National Assembly. Other lawmakers who have openly declared their intention to run for the same seat are Senator Jibreel Baru, Kano Central and Sani Musa of Niger State. Kalu is advocating the zoning of the state to the southeast. I'm a party man like a party man and I will respect his view. If he said I will not go, I will drop my ambition. After all, I didn't make my safety whip. To me, it's my turn. Yes, I said so. But a turn can be spoiled by the bigger boys. You see, now the leagues are different. You know, you have the Premier League. You have the other small league. So the people in the big league can stop me even when it's my turn. But I think that I will be a solution to what they are looking for. I suggested to the President, I say, we cannot allow you to rest. I'm going to be consulting the party. The party should bring back our Board of Trustees or something that look like it so that Mr. President will be chairman of the Board of Trustees of the party so that every four, five months he will come and see how the party is doing. We cannot just leave the party empty handed. It was done on the young days of ANC so that the President will still be part of the conscience of the party so that we will have somebody to run to when we have problems in the party. Because it's just God that save our party. That is the truth. God saves our party because the quarrel inside the party is so much. The rancor is so much. It's just God that saves this party.


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