I'd like to call the Committee of the Whole meeting to order, please. We will have the Pledge of Allegiance first. Allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. Okay. We need to look at the minutes from the February 3rd Committee of the Whole meeting. Motion to approve. Second. Okay. Motion seconded to approve the minutes. Any discussion? Okay. All in favor of approving minutes? Any opposed? Okay. Minutes are approved. Thank you. Are there's only, Willie, yes, oh, sorry, call, roll call. Sorry. Decker. Here. Gisha. Here. Hannah Burt. Here. Here. Kittleson. Here. Limonus. Here. Montemire. Here. Reinflash. Here. Langeman. Here. Corms, President. Corms, President. Okay. Thank you. Sorry for the out of order. We have just one thing on the agenda this evening. It's discussion and possible recommendation on Council Item 2235, which is the ordinance change for the current table of organization. And we have Mayor Ryan here, and we have a presentation on the screen. So I don't want to take it over, Mayor. Do you want to sit up here? No, I'll go back. Okay. All right. Okay. I have it on. Front door. Great. Okay. Thank you, everybody, for coming today. I appreciate especially the Alderman showing up for yet another committee of the whole meeting. Oh, he's a good thing. Topic tonight is city organization and structure. What we're going to do is with our city for at least the next three years. Why change? Why do we want to change what we're doing right now? Number one, the city is losing jobs that support a family wage. We're talking well-paying jobs. The city's growth rate is stagnant. As a matter of fact, we may be in danger of our tax rate, our tax base actually going negative next year. Improvement in the city's infrastructure has been deferred. We have not done nearly enough over the years, not put enough money into our infrastructure in our city. Our roads, our sewers, our parks, our city buildings. The city has not kept pace with technological developments. Right now in our city, technologically, we're probably somewhere in the early 90s. We definitely need to start moving forward with technological improvements, IT improvements, and realize some efficiencies. And last but not least, the citizens of Sheboygan voted for improvement of city government and that's what we're all here about. Why reorganize? In order to improve the performance of any organization, three things must be done and they need to be done in a certain order. Number one, the organization must be structured in a manner that promotes unified purpose and cooperation, the key being unified purpose and cooperation. What is the vision? Where are we going? Why are we doing what we're doing and are we all pulling together to get that done? Number two, business processes must be analyzed to ensure they're being done in the most efficient manner possible. If we don't have a way to measure what we're doing, we don't know if we're improving or not. And number three, new ideas must be implemented in order to better serve the citizens. It's time to start thinking outside the box a little bit, not just not doing things which happens so much in a lot of organizations. We do it because that's the way it's always been done. New organizational structure will increase cooperation between departments, create a broader area of focus, streamline systems and processes, efficiencies, reduce time constraint and implementing change, the problem right now in order to get anything changed in the city, it takes us forever. Faster better cheaper, that's what we should be about. If we can get things done faster, we can get things done better and it's definitely in this economic environment get things done cheaper. The silo effect, we all know what the silo effect is, the silo effect refers to the lack of communication and cross-departmental support often found in large organizations. Departments work on their own goals, often ignoring the needs of others. Information in customers, in our case our citizens, they're our customers, sometimes get lost in the middle. In our current organization, and this is basically our support organization that we have right now, those departments that support the other departments in the city, in the functions of the city, we have HR, IT, finance and the city assessor's office. They all operate as independent departments. Proposed organization, they would fall under the division of finance and administration and under the director of finance and administration and pull together for one common cause, find synergies and efficiencies between those departments. The former directors of IT and HR will become working managers rather than them being directors. The positions will be IT and HR managers and they'll be working managers working within their department. Consolidation, we have the mayor and the common council. Consolidation of departments will reduce the number of silos from 8 to 3 providing a unified focus. The new positions allow the mayor and council to focus on policy related to the city-wide decisions that impact growth rather than concentrating on the minutia sometimes, which we so often do and so many efforts that come directly out of the council trying to change departments directly, we can concentrate on what's our common goal and where are we heading. We have the mayor and the common council, actually over that mayor and common council should be something called citizens because the mayor and the common council are ultimately responsible to the citizens. We have the director of operations proposed. The operations takes care of the tactical portion of the city, the day-to-day operations of the city and those departments that fall under that. Director of finance and administration, the example we had up here before are the support functions. They support the other departments. The director of development, which I see as being hopefully the busiest department in the city in the near future, is the strategic function of the city, the future. Where are we going? How are we going to grow? We definitely cannot tax our way out of the economic times that we're in, out of the economic situation that we're in. We need to grow our tax base through growth. Citizens voted for growth and a business approach and that's what this is all about. Leadership, leadership in any operation can carry different titles. Private world, the leader might be the president of the company or in government, possibly a city administrator. Some cities have a city manager. In our city right now we have a mayor. We will have a mayor at least for the next three years. The director of operations, finance and administration and development, answer to the mayor and the council. Leadership can carry different titles, however the functions stay the same. It doesn't matter if you have a mayor, a president, a city administrator, you still have the functions of development, finance and administration and operations that must work together in order to progress the city or any organization and that sets our city culture. What are we all about, where are we headed, why are we here, why are we doing the jobs that we're doing. Organizational chart, this one has citizens on it. Top of the org chart is always the citizens. Citizens are ultimately in charge, they're our bosses. Mayor and the common council, people have talked about a city administrator in the future, it could be mayor and administrator and common council, it could be administrator and common council. Right now it's the mayor and the common council. We have three divisions in the city. We will have divisions and departments in the city. Three divisions, division of administration and finance, again this is our support functions in the city. We have the city assessor, the HR manager, the finance director who is the director of administration and finance, which also takes care of purchasing and risk management and we have IT. One change from this which will be an IT manager, notice an IT manager and an HR manager. One difference here, the cable television function, we're proposing reporting to the IT manager. We've been kind of kicking around cable television, where does it belong, I think the best answer is under the IT manager, I had that under development at one point, however I feel it's probably better off under IT, it's a highly technical function of the city, probably belongs under IT. Our development division, of course we all know our director of finance and administration is Terry Hansen who is presently our director of finance. Our division of development, director of development is presently and will remend Paul at Enders. We have economic development, tourism, city planning, zoning and everything that goes along with it. If I have my way, the director of development will be the busiest person in the city. Some of you know we do have a lot of balls up in the air right now and hopefully some of them come down soon and we can make some announcements and get the city growing. Our new position in the city is the director of operations in the operations division. The operations division of course is the day to day operations of the city. Also the operations division are the functions of the city that have day to day contact with our citizens. Our fire department, fire and ambulance, our police department, patrol and CID daily contact with the citizens. Our building inspection department, our engineering department under that GIS and of course our public works department who we see every day all around the city. Another change we have made here, senior center. I believe the best place for that is under the director of public works. One reason for that is the senior center with a good leader kind of operates itself. However, we've always had issues with the senior center with basically building support and that of course falls under our public works director. So that is the organizational chart as I am proposing it this evening. Like I said, I need your help in order to move the city forward. I need the help of the council. I obviously cannot do this job on my own. I need the council and I need every employee and every leader of this city to work together. Impact to the city budget, this has been a big question. What, you know, why are we going to pay another person? Well this basically has no impact to the city budget. It's a zero impact. And let me explain. When I took office, I believe it was last May, the May, June, maybe June or July. The administrative assistant position in my office was eliminated. I did that voluntarily because I did not feel that that position was necessary and was a necessary function of the city. I do have my self-marry rager in my office who does things very well. I did not need a second person in there in that function. I believe that that turned into more of a political position than an actual operations-type position. So that position was eliminated as savings of $62,000 in change. IT director, we've had an IT director in the past. The last former IT director was making $85,000 a year approximately. The IT manager, we can drop that salary to $75,000 because that IT manager will answer to the director of administration and finance and therefore save about 10 grand. The HR director, the last HR director we had offered who had accepted the position and then withdrawn was offered $90,000 as an HR director. As that HR director, he would have been in charge of HR and also been in charge of labor negotiations and grievances. The new HR manager's position, which answers to the director of administration and finance. Being a manager's position, we can reduce that salary. We have 75 up here, savings of about $15,000. Less contracted services right now in the budget, we had $70,000 in the budget that was budgeted for outside legal services basically when it came to grievances, when it came to labor negotiations. Our last HR director used Davis and Kiehlthau extensively. I don't know if used is the word. Tom Rice, since he's come on board and who will remain on board as a contract employee for negotiations. And will remain on board for the final stages of grievances. We made it through the last contract negotiations, settled all of the contracts with paying no outside legal services. So we had $70,000, we've left $50,000 in that budget, which truthfully we may not need that much. We still left $50,000 and taken $20,000 in savings. Then we have salaries. Director of operations is in new positions. These salaries for director of operations, it's in a salary range right now. This is an approximation taking that position and making the pay range the same as our present director of development. And what we've proposed for the director of the administration is about $101,000, $102,000. Our city assessor, I've made it known, I've not made a secret of it. That my choice for the director of operations is our present city assessor, Dave Lutsky. However, I have said and I will make sure, I will guarantee you that the Civil Service Commission will be enacted. It will be a nationwide posting. And if Dave Lutsky comes out of the Civil Service Commission as one of the five recommended to the hiring team, chances are I'll probably hire him. If he does, city assessor is presently making $75,000 a year reporting to the mayor. With the city assessor reporting to the director of administration, we can reduce that salary by about $7,000. We do have two people in the city assessor's office that are presently licensed and could step into that role. Director of finance, which is presently Terry Hanson, will be taking on some additional responsibilities. Some of those he has now like IT and things like that, but he doesn't get paid for them right now. Director of administration, we have at 106, which is proposed and it is in the package. That costs us about $7,000. Our director of development, Paulette, will remain at the present salary. So our total impact compared to the past organization is actually a wash. If for some reason Dave Lutsky does not come out of the Civil Service Commission as a potential candidate, obviously we will not save that $7,000 there. He will remain as a city assessor, which total cost of this may be about $2,000 in order to run our city more efficiently and in order to get ourselves some direction and get ourselves some positive growth. So I'm asking for your help in this. This has not been something that we've come up with overnight, if you recall. I was standing before you right here, I believe back in October with this. We started working on this, I believe in June. It's been well thought out. It's taken a couple turns here and there. But as I said, this proposal is only the first step in a three step process. This is the first step is the organization. However, it is the most critical step. Without the organization, the other steps don't happen. So the idea is to move the city forward and restore it to its former glory, that being a vibrant growing community that's safe with opportunity for everybody. So we must have new ideas. We must improve our processes and become more efficient, but we can't do that without the organization to support it. And that's what I'm here tonight asking you to approve. I need your help with it. And that's all I have. Of course, we will take any questions. Anybody has any? We are missing a few Alderman here this evening. Okay, you're gonna take the questions directly, right, Mayor? So then, yeah, you won't see lights then. Okay, that's right. So you have to raise your hands, all right? You have to raise your hand, I don't have the board. And you might wanna put your mics on because we are being televised. Okay, all right. Gene? Okay. Director, well, everything, I rethink everything. And especially when I have Alderman kicking me in the head, I think even harder. No, I mean, truthfully, I mean, development is our future of the city. We won't get from where we are now to where we need to be. And we won't grow our tax base without development. And I believe our director of development is going to be very busy in the near future. Glad to see those two changes. Thank you. Jim? Bob, a couple of questions. With directors going to managers, what does that mean for five-year appointments? There will be no appointments. It'll be employment at will. Okay, so we... So all of the only appointments in the city will be director's positions. Now, we presently, Terry Hansen presently has an appointment that will not be renewed for another five-year contract. I believe he's got two and a half years or something left. Paul left, I believe, has two to three years left on hers. Those will continue. Those will not be restarted for another five-year appointment. The director of operations would be offered a five-year appointment. Now, let's not confuse an appointment with a contract. It's not a contract, it's an appointment. Bob, another question would be, again, this director versus managers. Directors upon retirement receive a specific, and Ed, maybe you can help me, I don't really know the answer to this, a certain retirement package as a director if they retire from the city, I think, versus a manager? Virtually the same as any other non-reemployed. Thank you, I just wasn't sure about that. What? I'm sorry. My final question is interim appointment. Interim appointment of the director of operations, I think you're referring to. Yes, what would be your point? I will not make an interim appointment of anybody. Truthfully, I hope the Civil Service Commission can be activated soon, that they can get that job search going, and I will not have a reason to, and truthfully, to appoint somebody as an interim to meet just dirty is the water. Thank you. This needs to be above board. Ed? One of the, I read Jim's article in the paper, and one of the points was that this is leading towards or a step towards an administrator, and can you explain to me how, if you have these three executive positions, where does administrator fit in the future? Truthfully, in my opinion on this, I think the administrator goes where the mayor is. You know, in my opinion, because if you look at other cities and city administrators, you may have a city administrator, and most of those city administrators have deputy administrators or assistant administrators, in somewhat of a function like this. You know, there's very few city administrators in a city our size that strictly operate as a city administrator with all department heads reporting directly to them. So, you know, I mean, truthfully, if the city decides to go city administrator, I believe it would be up, you know, would the city administrator want to rework the whole chart? I would doubt it, because hopefully this is functioning properly in the way it should. Do the people want a city administrator, instead of a mayor in the future? That would be up to them. Thank you. Julie? Okay, the director of operations is a five-year appointment. Correct. So that's, whatever you call it, it's five years, we would have this position for five years. Right. So I'm also hearing that this is a prelude possibly to a city administrator, but we would not have a city administrator and a director of operations at the same time. Truthfully, when it comes to a city administrator, I think your director of finance and administration is closer to a city administrator than a director of operations. Your operations is your day-to-day operations guy. He's your efficiency person in the city. If you're looking at a city administrator and looking to plug them into one of those three positions, I believe that would be closer to your director of finance and administration than it would be to your director of operations. Wouldn't the city administrator be all three of these positions? And also a full-time manager? Sure. If a city administrator wants to go back to the chart we have right now, it would be all three of those positions. And then you'd have all these independent department heads answering back to the city administrator, we'd be right back to the system we have right now. It's a possibility. That would be up, I mean, if the city gets a city administrator and that's what the council decides to do, anything can be done. What I'm looking at is the next three years that I know I'm in this position and operating the city in the most efficient manner, I know how. And that's why I'm here to ask for your help in doing that. Marilyn? If we were to do this, we would have three silos instead of five. No, right now there's about eight, but however these so-called silos with having three directors, these three directors will be meeting with me a minimum of twice a week and probably on a daily basis to keep communication open that there are no silos. We are still operating in a cooperative manner. Now, the mayoral assistant, that's 625 that's gone, so that's out of the budget. Now was that budgeted for 2010? Is Terry still here? No, it was not. It was not, okay. And the previous HR director, if I remember right, got 75,000, not 90. The 90,000 was a gentleman that had accepted the job that we had offered the job to in that range and then he withdrew. Okay, okay. If we had him in that position, that would have been. But 90, all right. Now if Dave Lutsky doesn't get the job for operations, then we don't save that money. We don't save that dollar at all. You don't save $7,000. You don't save $7,000. He would remain as the- Okay. Yeah. The difference is $7,000. We don't have a handout with all those numbers on, do we? It was just a presentation there, right? We've had this before. We can get you copies of this also. Of these numbers that you presented tonight? Yes. Okay, thank you. We've had our present system of government for 157 years. Right. And now we're asked to approve a whole reorganization. Has this been, this type of thing, has this been done other places? Or are we unique? Are we unique? Has this been done in this fashion in a municipality? I don't know, to tell you the truth. I've seen city administrators with deputy administrators and everything coming in the same capacity. Myself, I don't operate up here in a municipal capacity. I operate in more of a business capacity. Regarding our present government in 157 years. 157. 157. 157 years. In the past administrations there's been changes to the table of organization regularly. I can recall several of them, moving engineering from here to there, developing the administration before, a mayoral executive assistant. This is not that drastic of a change. Where can we draw information from or assurance that this is going to work if it's not been done before? Where can you draw it from? You can draw it from my job. If it doesn't work, you can have it if you want. You know, we're, excuse me if I sound a devil's advocate here, but we're being asked to approve a system on suppositions. None of this is done before, so it has to be done. It has been done before, Bill. We have, there's all different kinds of forms of organizations. I mean, there's a lot of org charts out there that look similar to this, that they have a city administrator, deputy administrator of finance, a deputy administrator of operations. I mean, it's not that far off of other systems of government. What would your answer be that people say we're creating another level of government? My answer would be to say we're eliminating silos and trying to streamline our government. That's exactly it. We're not creating another level of government. Because from what I've heard on the outside and talking to people and business men and so forth, they're not exactly excited about this. They're worried, they're upset. They think we might be making a drastic error. Jurassic, number one, this is not that drastic. There's been changes to the table of organization in every mayor that has ever been in this city. Every mayor has changed the table of organization. I can remember, since I've been on the council, several changes. It's not that drastic of a change. Regarding business men, if you have business men that cannot understand this chart, that think it's a mistake, I would like to meet them. Because I mean, this is a basic business or you can refer to it as a military chain of command works the same way. But are we a business? Are we a business? We need to operate more like a business, yes. Can we use the word profit? Never. Would I like to use the word excess revenue once? Certainly. Okay. Thank you. Marilyn? Thank you again, Marilyn. And I applaud you for trying to do this. And when you were elected, that's true. Business was riding high. Nowadays, business doesn't have such a glory sound to it anymore because those things happened after you were elected. What things? The crash and the near depression. No, that happened before I was elected. That's right, it happened November and you were elected in April. That's right. That's right, thank you. No, in business, the only place that's a bad word is in Washington right now, as far as I know. And I'm not gonna say that since you were elected, business went down. I don't think there's any correlation to that whatsoever on the national seat. I know, I know, I'm just kidding. No, I knew what I was getting into when I ran for the office. It wasn't like I came in on the upswing, so to speak. I like some of the questions, Bill had those are questions I've heard too regarding is this new, is this different? And I went on, you know, how every municipality's stuff is on all these websites all over the place. I must have went on three dozen of them. There is not one organization structure of a city that's identical to any other city in the state of Wisconsin. You could ask that question, are we doing something different or whatever. Every single one of them is different and make it unique to their community. I know that the old, here's what I know, I guess, my impression, the old structure of the city, not that this is that dramatic, because it's really not, brought us one of the highest tax rates in the state of Wisconsin. It brought us cumbersome change. It brought us the inability to, be nimble when we need to be nimble and actually protect the status quo. And I think that's not just shaboy again. I think that's virtually every government, but if somebody wants a parallel to that proposal that I just saw up here, go to the people who pay our salaries and elect us because every single business of any size of any sort other than, you know, a mom and pop shop runs just like that. And as you know, businesses have to succeed, otherwise the doors get closed. And I don't see this as reinventing the wheel, I see it as adding some subtle organizational changes that are proven outside of this building and buildings like this all over the state. And, or better yet, buildings that have big domed roofs in Madison, they could use an organizational chart like this. The thing I guess I would be looking forward to, Bob, I guess as far as looking at this, I find, and I'm gonna make myself the guilty one on this and others I'm sure have their own feelings regarding themselves, but all the ideas we've been presenting up through the council, it's been coming from the council down to half dozen or more, eight department heads, all these different silos, all the ideas, all the empowerment to do these things is us coming up with stuff. A bunch of aldermen sitting around and saying, hey, that's a great idea. Which can be rather haphazard at that time. I don't think it's good, I think it's been done too much, I think it's been done too much by me personally, I'm just being guilty of that myself, but it had to be done because it was a vacuum of a structure in which those ideas are coming to us constantly. And we're deciding from a policy standpoint whether they're good or not. I would like to see from this structure, and I'd like to your opinion, or assurance, or the best you can, that it would happen, that we would, that it would foster more of an environment of us reacting rather than developing. Well, I mean, that's why we're here today, and this is a perfect example of, staff always has been coming up with new ideas. Let's make changes. I think council needs to get on board with some of these changes coming from staff also. This affects our people in the city, our management level people, much more so than it does the council. And we discuss this regularly in our meetings, and I don't have our department heads presently disagreeing with this. Yet it's hard to convince the council that it's a good thing to do. What we have to ask ourselves is, what's the better answer? To do nothing? Because the city's running perfectly the way it is. I don't believe that's the answer, and that's why I've been working my butt off, trying to fine tune this, and trying to get it where it's acceptable to the alderman. I mean, I need your help with this. I can't do it on my own. I need your approval. Thank you, Madam Chair. Thank you, Mayor Ryan. Here's the problem that I have. I have to answer to my constituents. And I'm in this chair because those constituents voted for me knowing that I wanted, or that I'm backing as city administrator 110%. If we look at this director of operations, the cap of that pay is $112,000. And you take the 8% increase for the director of finance, you're looking at the starting pay, or the starting wage, almost $120,000 towards the city administrator. Why reinvent the wheel? I mean, Because what you're going to do is for the next three years until you can get a city administrator, maybe you're gonna keep the city in its present state, right? That's the answer. The answer is to do nothing and hope for a city administrator in three years. And if we do nothing, I guarantee you'll probably have a city administrator in three years because this city will be in worse shape than it is right now. But how will we have a city administrator when you've got a five-year appointment at 100, well, who knows how much that'll be in five years? If you have a city administrator, you're not gonna get rid of all the directors in the city. A city administrator does not replace other people. The city administrator, if it replaces anybody, it replaces me. More so than our directors in the city. You think one person can come in as a city administrator and do the job of three? Yes. You do. Is his name Superman?  They put in a lot of hours. They're trying to do the best that we can with the budgets that we're dealing with, with the technology that we're dealing with. Having a city administrator walk in, he's not gonna snap his fingers and make everything magically better. It takes the work of everybody else. But at least one person in the city government would know what's going on. That would be me. I know exactly what's going on. That's why I'm here. Thank you. Looking at the salaries, and what we're talking about is the cost of management there. Okay, across the board, you take $101,000. In each one of those positions. Now, under the director of operations, we have public works. There's already a director and a deputy director there, okay? That's costing us currently close to $178,000 right now. You're right. So, we're gonna divide that director of operations and if you did that, just for the managing the department of public works, we're gonna be paying over $200,000, just for one department. The question is, do you need a director of public works and a deputy director of public works along with a director of operations? Now, the question, you know, I mean, in the long run, the director of public works will be a public works manager. We presently have Bill Bittner in that position. This chart is not designed to put people out of jobs or to moat them.  This is not designed to put people out of jobs. This is not designed to demote people. In the long run, will we have a manager of public works? Yes, we will. But that's not what this is designed to do. Official one night, I said in an office, we were at like the cost of our city government wages and benefits, our employees were like 85%. We're down to 79%. Mm-hmm. And I said, you know what? I won't support this. If we're not at that 79%. And you said we were. We are. I said, that's a great idea. All right, but what I didn't take into consideration is what that percentage of management was versus what our laborers, our policemen, firemen are. Where's that percentage? When we were at 85% or when we were at 79%, what percentage of our labor was management versus the people that will all do the everyday work? If you look, you know, our managers, even though we have directors positions, we're taking other directors positions down to managers positions. And that will continue to happen until the city has three directors, okay? So even though you may have three directors in three divisions, you will have less directors in departments. Thank you. On top of that, yeah, we're taking director levels according to this chart that I see in bringing them down to managers and that effect lowers their pay. But if you're looking from a straight headcount, and that'll make less money, of course, going out to, on a straight headcount, we have reduced management in a great number of areas, including public works, particularly. But across the board, over the last 12 months, we have had dramatic management reductions. And some of this will help bolster some of those holes that get, you know, those vacuums that get created with that. But this plan does, from what I can see, make less management and much less management over time. You know, the idea of this plan in the long run is to operate more efficiently and save money, okay? To look at it as saying, okay, it's going to, I mean, even if it costs us $100,000 upfront, when we're operating with a budget of what Terry? $67 million, okay? Out of a $60 some million dollar budget, do you think we can save? Even if it costs us $100,000, which it doesn't? Do you think we could find efficiencies? Yes, we can. That's the whole idea. You know, we can't look at today without thinking about where we're going to be tomorrow. That's where we need to get to. Mark. Great, thank you, Madam Chair. Thank you, Mayor. The most exciting thing about change to me is how are we going to grow our base of business? Whether you have an administrative model or a business model as you've laid out here, the key is getting a model that is going to allow you and the director of development to grow our base of business. Very true. And it sounds to me like you are highly confident that this is going to work. You won the election on a business platform and you've got a business model that you've presented here and the key to us being able to deliver high-level services is to be able to grow our revenue base by attracting businesses to our community. That is the only way we're going to survive. It's the only way it's going to happen. Right. And you as the mayor are telling us you're confident this is going to help us do it. I am confident it's going to help us do it because if it doesn't, who has the most to lose? That would be me. Thank you, Mayor. Tom. Since we have the public here, I was wondering if there's anybody from the public that would like to make a statement. I'm sure Mr. Hutswood. Mike. Thank you, Madam Chairman Alderman, Mayor Ryan. As many of you know, I am an advocate of the city administrator form of government. That opinion is based on 32 years of employment in the mayor's office during which I had the opportunity to work under three different mayors, dozens of Alderman, as well as mayors, city managers and administrators around Wisconsin. I was also a member of the government structure committee which included current and past Alderman citizen members and county leaders and which unanimously and enthusiastically endorsed the administrator concept for Sheboygan last March. Since that time, the Greater Sheboygan Committee and Sheboygan County Taxpayers Alliance have also endorsed that position. 28 Wisconsin cities have a full-time administrator, 24 with a part-time mayor and four with a full-time mayor. Clearly, that is a proven concept for effective local government. Shouldn't it be thoroughly considered here before any reorganization plan is considered? In my three decades of municipal experience, I found those cities which employed a city administrator to be most efficient and progressive and they also enjoyed a lower rate of taxation. I have personally seen the dramatic influence an administrator can have on a community in a short amount of time and I'm hopeful that you will agree that we should review the creation of that position rather than implementing an unproven and costly management reshuffling. One is only to look at the major challenges which our previous four mayors have faced to understand what an individual who's educated, trained and experienced in the complexities of city government can offer to Sheboygan. Mayor Susha faced a dilemma of accepting federal funds to rebuild a failing downtown. He was challenged with the purchase of our mirror leather and a sale for $1 to general split in the hopes of providing jobs. Mayor Schneider was challenged with the creation of multiple TIF districts to promote development but which also decreased tax revenue. He also faced a challenge of marina construction and its financing. Mayor Shram was challenged with the implementation of fees and Blue Harbor and its funding. Mayor Perez chose to incorporate buyouts of employees to balance budgets and was challenged with funding for a police department and a transfer of the ambulance from the private sector to our fire department. Each of these men and more importantly our community would have benefited from the knowledge which an administrator would have brought to the table to help make those decisions. We only have to look two blocks to our east to Sheboygan County to see the influence that administrator can have on a local form of government. Mayor Ryan's proposed reorganization adds a multiple level of management complete with more bureaucracy, additional managerial confusion and increases in salary. The dynamics of management salaries is that you will be paid more than the people you supervise. Accordingly, with a rapid increase in salaries for the police chief and fire chief, Mayor Ryan's director of operations will soon be paid close to that of a proven city administrator but with only a portion of those responsibilities. Under the mayor's plan, each of the three directors will report to multiple standing committees which is an invitation for overlap, conflicts and infighting. With that background, I can only ask why do we need to create three additional management positions when the duties and responsibilities can be handled by one individual who is trained in local government? If you have reservations, follow the county lead and first hire an administrative coordinator to direct operations and to prove the worth of the administrator concept in our government. Many of you have already indicated your support for a city administrator. Alderman Giesha did it quite eloquently in the Sheboygan Press on Sunday. However, I found it quite ironic that just above his article was a letter to the editor written by former Alderman Dennis Tetschlag which asked if the mayor's plan is approved and thereafter the administrator concept is adopted, how do you undo what you did and demote the directors? If an administrator is in our future, consider it now and don't saddle him or her with a management structure which he or she will be forced to change. Sheboygan government and management are in need of reorganization. However, there is no mandatory timetable for reorganizational implementation, only the expectation of our community that it be done correctly. If you're going to restructure, do it right and take the time to review all options with an eye to our future. One final thought. To those of you who remain committed to Mayor Ryan's plan for a three prong management team including a director of operations, I urge you to include a mandatory educational requirement of an advanced degree in business or public administration along with a proven track record of your municipal experience and achievements in previous governmental positions. It is an absolute requirement that a thorough national search be conducted to not only ensure the hiring of the best possible candidate but also to dispel any accusations of nepotism. Also, since the position does not currently exist on Sheboygan's TO, avoid the temptation of appointing someone on an interim basis. Thank you for considering my thoughts, man. Chairman. Thank you. Mike and I often have spirited conversations about this which is great. However, there's some differences, I think, in what he stated regarding using the county as a model. This is actually how the county went about it. They brought Adam in on an interim basis like Mr. Hutz stated. But the difference between the county or looking at the school system is they don't have a mayor. There was no supreme county being. We can't pretend that we don't have a mayor of the city. If we added a city administrator now, it would be a dramatic, you would use that financial chart, it would be a dramatic budget buster. This is budget neutral. For the next three years, we're gonna have a mayor.  He exists to have a mayor and his full-time mayor with all its statutory and ordinance powers and have a city administrator and still have six or eight different directors would be a management disaster. No company would operate like that. I have reviewed the city administrator's positions. Actually, I took the exact wording for city administrator in our strategic fiscal planning committee and put it in as the exact wording for the job description for the operations manager. There is not a city administrator position advertised in the state of Wisconsin or in the Midwest that I could find that would agree with Mr. Hutts's, it must have this and must have that. It does not exist. We would be doing something completely out of the norm of all the communities that have city administrators. It doesn't exist. This does not bloat or create additional management. I disagree with Mike on that and I have nothing but respect for Mike. I would remind him that the Alderman-Techlog letter that he wrote, Alderman-Techlog voted for a tax increase every single year he was sitting in this chamber. I've also looked at city administrators at what their tax records are in the state of Wisconsin. I cannot find a city in the city of Sheboygan and maybe they're in the state of Wisconsin that the city administrator has not urged a tax increase every single year. If we want to look at the county as a model and Adam Payne is a very good friend of mine, let's talk about a half a percent sales tax for the citizens of the city of Sheboygan for the county. That's done by professional government management. Rather than looking at efficiencies and streamlining, we could go to an administrator but for all I see is a track record and I believe we can have a city administrator with a better structure that won't perform that way but all I see is more government and more taxes and more layers and I think the best example is the county in the respect of raising taxes, half a percent sales tax proposed by a administrator. I think in three or four years it'll shake out and we'll be ready for a city administrator but we will have a mayor until that time. You can't pretend he didn't exist. You can't pretend that taxpayers of the city didn't vote for him based on what the model that he wanted to do was. We can't pretend that didn't happen. They knew what they were voting for and then to strip him from his authority, his statutory authority and so forth and go to a city administrator tomorrow. I didn't vote for him. I didn't support him. Thanks. Well, that's the truth. No, we know that. But I'm not gonna say that the majority of the citizens of Sheboygan's will should not be followed even though I didn't support the guy. They knew what they were voting for.  They knew what they wanted and they expressed it at the ballot box and the city administrator topic was a topic in that campaign. Every debate, every listening session, everything. It was there. And I myself ran on the basis of being a full-time mayor. And I've said from day one that if the public wants a city administrator, I was the first one to propose a city administrator studying it along with Eldenburg, former alderman sitting right here. At that point, I said, and I've always said, if we're going with a city administrator which is changing our form of government, this is changing the table of organization. It needs to be put up for a public referendum. It needs to be put up for a public referendum and let the people decide if they want a mayor leading the city or a city administrator. I've said that. In the meantime, I'm the mayor. If we're going to continue to do nothing in hopes that our city will fail so we can get a city administrator in the future, I don't think, I know, we're not serving the needs of our citizens. So if that's the goal is to have a city administrator and let our city go down the wrong path and not improve and not become more efficient and not develop for the next three years, that's not the way, that's not why we're here. That's not why I'm here. I was hired to be a full-time mayor. I was elected to be a full-time mayor. A city administrator may be something that the public wants three years down the road. That would be up to the public to decide and not a couple individuals with private interests. Right now, I'm here to lead the city. This is my request of the alderman to help me in leading the city. That's why I'm here. I've been working on this for seven months. This didn't happen overnight. This is not something I woke up one morning and said, oh geez, great idea. But we're going to, some people have their minds so set on a city administrator that we're going to do nothing for the next three years again. Fight everything along the way so we can get a city administrator. Let the city fail, I guarantee you, we'll have a city administrator. I'm asking for your help as alderman to help me lead the city. That's why I'm here. I'll say no more, thank you. I've got another question, Bob. Or not, I guess not, okay. The changes that were suggested tonight by the mayor with this table of organization, we have to amend the resolution. So I would ask to amend the general ordinance number 5709 of 10, and amend it as follow. Remove TV8 from the director of development and reassign it to the IT department to under the director of finance. Remove the senior activity center from the director of development and reassign it to the parks and recreation under the director of operations. And I further amend that the salary and grievances committee make the necessary adjustments of the job descriptions to reflect these changes. I need a second on that. Second. It's been moved in second and on this amendment to make these, I mean, changes. Any discussion on that? Okay, Alderman Montemure. Thank you, Chairman. Alderman Heidemann, you're talking about the general ordinance, the 2235 agenda item? Yes. That's the one you're talking about, okay. And you're talking about the job descriptions that came with it. Right. All right, thank you. Alderman Hanna, do you have a question? We have a question. Okay. Does this require, it's budget neutral. So it doesn't require. Just be a majority, I would think. Okay, thank you. Okay, Alderman Bowers. The only thing we would be voting on would be to amend the ordinance change for the table of organization. This is not approving anything because we can't do it in this body. So this would be salary and grievances to refer to them. No. No? No. We're making the changes as the TO that was originally submitted by the mayor had those positions, had those two departments underneath the director of development, we're moving those so we can't adopt that table of organization unless we amend what the mayor has brought before us. We're cleaning up the document. We're not passing the document yet, we're just cleaning it up. All right, that will be brought before the council at a later time for a vote. Well, we have, this is in our lap right now to forward to council. We can decide to forward to council with the file. I see. Okay, first of all, the question of the amendment is on the floor, so. Okay. Any other discussion about the amendment that Alderman Heidemann just mentioned? All right, we'll take a vote on, yes, would be to make the changes. Those were organizational changes. The budget control is shifting responsibilities. Okay, yes, Alderman Monksman. Thank you again. What do you mean, what's budget neutral? The cost, it will cost nothing different. To change, to make these amendments. No, right, because it's just so many reporting to someone else, it's not costing anything more. The amendments won't cost, not budget. Yeah, just the amendments. Okay, thank you. Okay, roll call. Bowers? Aye. Decker? Aye. Gisha? Aye. Hannah? Aye. Heidemann? Aye. Cobb? Aye. Clemenus? Aye. Montemayor? Aye. Serb? Aye. Van Wille? Aye. Wongman? No. Yes or no, one no. Passes, the amendment is changed. I mean, it makes a change on this resolution. Or change the ordinance, I guess it is. Now, before us, we have some action to take whether we're going to recommend this to council. This is agenda item 2235, document number 570910. Okay. Hold it for a second. I'm sorry, I'll wait for you till there's a motion. Never mind. Okay, I'm waiting for a motion. Hey, I have a question. Okay, question, right? Question? I'll leave it at that. Again, the changes we're going to recommend to council. Will they be budget neutral or do they require two thirds of this body or is it moot? It only requires two thirds in the council. Two thirds, it's majority of this body and majority of the council per city attorney McLean and Sir Richards. Thank you. I do have a question. Maybe for the mayor, I don't know if you're answering questions, but the HR director, that $90,000 position, is that still in the budget? Because the person did not take the position and that, I believe, was before the 2010. It is still in the budget, correct, Terry? Okay, because that's a big chunk of it. Yeah, correct. Okay, all right, so that is some, okay, and then we've got some other lights. Alderman, sir? Yeah, thank you, Madam Chair. Speaking of budget neutral, it was mentioned earlier that the administrative assistant as across savings of $62,498 was not actually budgeted, so there will be an effect on the budget because it was not put in there originally, so it would be a negative input to the budget, I would say. There is, I mean, this is gonna affect the budget, yeah. This is not the budget neutral. Now what we're talking about is not budget neutral. This is money, salaries, yes. This is, now we're talking salaries and changes to... What I'm saying is that $62,000 is not in the budget, yet it's shown as a savings to the plan, so if the plan is approved as a whole, it is not budget neutral because it wasn't in the budget. So we need some different numbers. Yes. Yes, would you come up? Finance Director Hanson. In the 2010 budget, there is sufficient salaries and benefits according to the mayor's proposed organization. Not the $62,000, but other sources of funding. Okay, Alderman, sir, one more time. Oops, I turned it off. If that be the case, wouldn't that require a transfer of funds from one budget portion to another portion of the budget? Terry, I suppose I'd answer. Why don't you stay up, Terry? The budget that the mayor presented included allocations for the proposed TOA at that time as it was proposed, and so there is no budget amendments that need to be done in order to implement the organizational chart. Thank you. Answer your question. I have another question for you. Okay, all the person. Thank you, thank you. Can we get those numbers that we're there? Can we have? It's in the budget, yep. It'll be there, those numbers? It is in the budget. It is in the budget. And I can show you the breakdown if you need it. I guess, yeah. Would you like those for the meeting? Yes. The council meeting on Monday night? I would, absolutely. And then with this whole plan, from the presentation, is a difference of $2,000 to $5,000 here, correct? Is that my understanding? It all depends basically on part of it is on the assessor. Okay. Is the assessor moving into, if Dave Lutsky stays as our assessor the way he is now, bottom line. It's a difference of $7,000. Okay, thank you. I think $2,000. Right. $2,000. It's $7,000. Right, it would go from a negative five to a positive two. It's $7,000 difference. Okay. That we're going to reduce, be able to reduce that salary with the city assessor answering to the finance and the director of finance and administration. Right, okay. Thanks. All the person on to be on. Thank you again. According to our finance director, it's budget neutral. And I firmly believe what he said. However, it can't be according to the chart that was used earlier because the 62.5 from the mayoral assistant is not there. It has to be budget neutral from some other spots. The comparison was to show the old organization versus a new organization. And that crossed budget periods. The 2010 budget, when it was submitted to the finance committee and went over everything, included that it did represent the mayor's proposed organizational change because at that time, the org chart was going through. I remember disclosing that at those meetings and that was what was approved in the budget. So the budget already included what would have happened for those changes. Okay, so the- So it was from the 09 budget kind of to the 10. So the 2010 budget took all of this into consideration. And that chart that we saw up there had nothing to do with this. That's correct. Thank you. Then so is it budget neutral? Yes. Yes. Comparing to the previous year, that representation of that chart is showing the comparison of what the major changes. And then what was presented in the budget. There's no budget amendments for 2010 to incorporate the changes. And then that comparison is our numbers. Okay, so we would need to do a, we have to make a transfer of the- No. That is incorporated in the budget. We're transferring it to different salaries to different positions, we know. No, that was incorporated in the budget. Okay, so we're not budget. We are budgeted. So there's really no money involved, it's a chart. It's all money. Yeah, but no money being used to be- No changes from the budget. Okay, Alderman Heidemann, you're on. Thank you Chairman. All this body is doing is making a recommendation to the Common Console. I mean, whether we have two thirds sold here or not, it really doesn't make any difference. It's gonna come before the Common Console, so. Okay. Is that a motion? Yeah, I'll make a motion to send it to the Common Console with a favorable recommendation. Before we go into that, City Clerk has her hand up. Is there a procedure? Just a procedure. We have an ordinance in front of you. What you're doing now will be to, you are approving doing a substitute ordinance. Okay. So that should be part of your motion. Okay. Is that the Council, if that's what you're gonna do is demand a passage of the substitute resolution. If you don't do that, you'd be amending on the floor on Monday night. That's really bad. You're kind of getting a little backwards, so you really need to put the substitute in place. Okay. All right, to translate that again, that would mean that what we talked about is an amendment. Let's change the, if we want us to go ahead, change, file the ordinance as it came on, and then send a new ordinance No, substitute. No file. No file. No file. No filing. No filing? No. No substitute? Okay. Okay. The substitute. Okay. All right, the person who made the amendment. I did both. Okay. So would you change it? Yeah, I'll make a motion that we adopt a substitute ordinance, and send it out of the Common Council. Okay. As amended. I'll second. Okay, that was all right. So then we're substitute ordinance. Now, this question right now is, what's our recommendation? Are we gonna send this ordinance out? Yes, with a favorable recommendation. With a favorable recommendation. A favorable recommendation, and a second. I second. Okay, I did a second. All the person can send seconds of favorable recommendation on the ordinance, substitute ordinance. And all the person must be out. Thank you again, Chairman. Now it seems to me at our last council meeting, or the one before, Attorney McLean said this involves a charter ordinance change. Is that still the case? Attorney McLean? Not the case. The point depends on this happening first. That would be for the city engineer position. Currently, that's by charter ordinance, the director of city development, has the authority to point to the city engineer. Oh yeah. The only way to amend the charter ordinance is by a charter ordinance. So you need to create a charter ordinance, which I have drafted, but it will bring it in until it happens, to have the city engineer pointed by the director of operations. It's just that little portion that needs the charter, or change. Not this whole, this is just the simple majority. The number of changes also need to be made to the municipal code. Change in the table or the organization has an ordinance to do that, but again, no point in bringing that in until when this is expected. Such things add references to... Responsibilities. The responsibilities, or about the director of city development, for instance. Right now, the ordinance says that totally inspection reports to a toilet. So that'll have to be cleaned up. That clean up document would come after this gets passed, if it gets passed. There's no sense, as I say, bringing something in to change all the provisions of the code. You clean it up until you've got your structure in place. Am I still on? Yes, you are. Thank you. And I sort of agree with Alderman Wongam and that the people who I've spoken with said it's just another layer of management. That's the way they feel. Now the fact that it actually is budget neutral, neutral, makes me consider it in a better light. So I don't have the vaguest idea how I stand tonight. So we await your decision. Very good. I'll make sure I chose the vote right now. Okay, I'm turning lights off. Anyone else? Discussion? On this, there's a resolution to pass the other side. Okay? All right, if there's no other discussion, we will take a vote. This is just a simple vote to send it on. This is not a two thirds or anything like that. Call? Bowers? No. Decker? No. Gisha? Aye. Hannah? Aye. Kyderman? Aye. Ka? Name? Kittleson? Aye. Kayunas? Aye. Montemayor? I'm sorry, I didn't mean to get you to say that. What was that? Sir? Sir? No. Vanirwili? Aye. Wongamon? No. Seven ayes, no five noes. Okay, so it passes seven and five. Okay, that's all on our agenda tonight. Motion to adjourn. Second. Thank you. Thank you for calling this.


So in any case, these are the standard deductions that need to be cleared and they were increased a few years ago. So even with the mortgage interest and property taxes, it might not be like so easy to kind of clear these. And therefore the benefit is not quite a stark for many home purchasers as it as it was before that. All right. So interest you pay the rules for deducting entries vary depending on whether the loan proceeds are used for business, personal or investment activities. See publication 535 for more information about deducting business interest expenses. So if you had a schedule C, then the interest that you paid would basically be business related or something like that. And then you would go there publication 535 for more information about the possibility of deducting it. See publication 550 for more information about deducting investment interest expenses. Now the investment interest expenses is kind of interesting and usually you think that might come into play more for more well off individuals because, but it makes sense from a normal kind of deduction standpoint, because if you borrowed money in order to make an investment, then the money, the interest that you're paying on the borrowed money is the cost of that's the rent on the borrowed money. So you would expect that would be kind of a deductible item. You can deduct qualified mortgage interest on your schedule A and interest on certain student loans on schedule one. We talked about the student loans before that's an above the line deduction. So even if you're not able to itemize, you might be able to take that. This we're talking about the itemized deductions, which means you have to clear the standard deductions to take them. Generally, that's the home loan interest. And then there's qualifications in terms of how much of that you can you can deduct. So there's that. If you use the proceeds of a loan for more than one purpose, for example, personal and business, you must allocate the interest on the loan to each use. So here's where it gets, of course, messy because when you take out a loan, you may have to specify what you're using it on and so on, but you might use it for multiple different things. And so when you're getting the loan, it might be easy to get one loan that you're then allocating to multiple things. And when you're talking to the bank in order to get better rates, it's often useful to secure the loan in some way with something as collateral so that if you don't pay the loan, the bank has a recourse and the most valuable and stable thing that most people have is a home. So now you've got this situation where if I take a loan out, I might have used the proceeds for different types of things and collateralized it with a personal asset or a business asset or whatnot, and that's where it gets kind of messy and you have to allocate the proceeds to the proper place. So you allocate interest on a loan in the same way as the loan is allocated. So you do this by tracing disbursements of the debt proceeds to specific uses. So how would you allocate the interest? The general idea you would think conceptually would be, well, I took out $100,000 loan, I paid 40% of it for this use, business use, and 60% of it for personal use. And therefore you would think you would use those same kind of ratios on the interest payments of the loan would be one way that you might conceptualize how you do that kind of allocation. But if you're in that situation for more information, you can go to Allocating Interest C Publication 535. In general, if you paid interest in 2022 that applies to any period after 2022, you can deduct only amounts that apply to 2022. So we have this same problem here in that if we're in a cash-based system, you might say, well, I'm just going to prepay all the interest. You could, people come up with schemes like this, they're going to say, I'm going to just prepay the interest so I get more deductions upfront sooner at this point in time. And the IRS is going to limit that by saying, no, you can't, you know, we're going to limit the amount of prepayment that you can make. And so anytime you get that idea, I'm going to make a big prepayment and lower my taxes now, then, you know, make sure that you check if you can do that. So you schedule A to deduct qualified home mortgage interest and investment interest. So line eight, home mortgage interest, a home mortgage is any loan that is secured by your main home or second home, regardless of how the loan is labeled. So it includes first and second mortgages, home equity loans, and refinance mortgages. So that's the general concept when you purchase the home. Usually people can't pay just cash for the home. They take out a loan on the home and the loan is going to use the home as collateral. Therefore if you default on the home, then the bank could have recourse to it. Some people kind of confuse that whole term and say the bank owns the home, by the way, which is kind of annoys me sometimes because it's not exactly right, right? You own the home and the home is on as collateral, because the bank, the bank can't come to your home and decide to paint your home gray or something like that, because they don't own your home, even if you even if you financed 80% of it, right? They can't decide what to do with the home. But if you default on the loan, then they have limited recourse of recall in the home, right? You know, foreclosing, I should say. So a home can be a house, condominium, cooperative, mobile home, boat, or smaller property. It must provide basic living accommodations, including sleeping space, toilet, and cooking facilities. So you can get into this issue of what qualifies for a home. It's a pretty broad qualification, as you can see here, for a home, actually, you know, but you have to have the general amenities that would be necessary for a home. So check the box on line eight. If you had one or more home mortgages in 2022, with an outstanding balance, you didn't use all of your home mortgage proceeds from those loans to buy, build, or substantially improve your home. Purchase paid on home mortgage proceeds used for other purposes isn't deductible on lines 8A and 8B. So now we get into this kind of messy situation where, obviously, if you purchased the home and you got the loan for the purchase of the home, it's pretty straightforward. If you refinanced the home or something like that, and then you used the proceeds for rebuild or adding to the home or something like that, it's still like you're investing in the home, but that's different than taking a loan out using the home as collateral, because the bank would still like to use the home as collateral, even if you took the money and bought a $100,000 car or something like that, which you would assume isn't something that the IRS would want to be incentivizing typically. So now you've got this weird situation where it looks kind of like a loan that might be deductible because they used the home as collateral, but they didn't actually use the money for the purchase of the home. They used it to buy a car, which isn't something you think would be. So see limitations on home mortgage interest later for more information about what interests you can include on lines 8A and 8B. Tip, if you are a homeowner who received assistance under a state housing finance agency, Hardest Hit Fund program or an emergency homeowner's loan program, you can see publication 530 for the amount you can deduct online 8A or B. Tip, if you used any home mortgage proceeds for a business or investment purpose, interest you paid that is allocable to those proceeds may still be deductible as a business or investment expense elsewhere on your return, meaning you used the home as kind of collateral for proceeds that might have gone somewhere else, but they were business related, and if they're business related, even though you used the home, a personal asset as collateral, you would think you might be able to deduct the interest as a business deduction in that case because you took the loan out for the business.


Dad, this is so dramatic! Isn't it? Yeah! How did that fall out? Oh! But she'll like you.  You want to see Leo run? Dad, the same amount. We just have one baby. Oh, blues butt. What? This guy got fat. It does not look good. There is everywhere. How do we acquire this? Oh my God. It gets so quiet. In the beginning, you clean and psycho-organize. And then you just hide things. The bird. Everything. Birds don't scream. This is a wonderful, happy world. Assistant, give me a sign. I do not have a sign in there. Gloves, voodoo dolls. This goes in the office. Oh my God. I've never been hot in my life. Act like you don't have wires. You don't have wires at all. It's a perfect house without wires. We don't have birds anywhere. It's a miracle. Garbage. Nobody needs home magazine. Because then they'll have something to compare it to. We don't need that. We don't have garbage. Garbage. Excuse me while I don't recycle. Too great. Disaster. I'm bathing. Fractured his shoulder. And then he shaved and cut his lip. And his leg isn't doing too good either. But we got him here. Shhh. Shhh. We just have one baby. Oh, blue spot. What? This guy got fat. I didn't see him last. And this is Leo. Leo. How are you? Are you coming to see me? Come see. Come see. No binding though, right? Yeah. How are you? Look how excited he is. How are you? Where's the rest of the lawn? Shhh. Oh, your hair looks great. Do you like it? Yeah. I like it, but I also feel like what did I do to my long, luxurious brown hair? This is like dead witch hair, but I still love it. Time for the kettle. Time for me tea. Oh, she didn't. Yes, she did. I heard Joey didn't hang up on him. So I heard it. It sounded insane. I think that was me. Oh, there's the one. Harry wants the kettle. Yeah. Oh my. That's it. That's it. Heard the birds. And then give him a wink. He'll be like, these birds are all over the place. Not discipline, baba. Oh, it's so lovely to see this. Shhh. Oh. It's my boy. The light was brilliant.   Okay, sit down. Yeah. Looking gorgeous.


Tarzan and the Diamond of Arshere. In the great ceremonial hall of the temple of Mahachu, the aatef's suten and his council of 13 are preparing to unveil the Hesseharian talisman, the father of diamonds. Round the walls of the vast chamber are seated the Hesseharian nobles. Helen Gregory and Magra, to be mespectively to suten and hakeru, are brought in. They stand before the high priests with the aatef and his favorite as the ceremony begins. Tarzan, Darno and Tolm have escaped from the chamber of death and rushing into the vast hall stop the ceremony. Suten pronounces the dread decree of the council of 13. It is that Tarzan must fight the greatest of the prehistoric talking apes. The ferocious brute, a fearsome monster, climbs out of the pit. Swinging forward clumsily but swiftly, the hideous features contorted with black rage, the brute roars out his challenge. Back, Darno, Tolm! With another blood-curdling scream, the ape approaches Tarzan and thrusts out its hairy arms, crying for the bone-crushing embrace which spells death. Don't do something! Help him! With the speed of sheet of the leopard, Tarzan leaps aside, turns. His fist flashes out and catches on just proudly on the jaw. The huge brute pauses, stunned. Tarzan whips out his knife. He is thicker and stronger than all the other. As Darno shouts, the shaggy ape with gleaming fangs bared rushes forward. Tarzan crouches low, awaits the charge. As the huge beast scum close, the ape man springs straight into the embrace of those great arms. The deadly knight flashes once, twice, again. He is deep into the awesome monster's heart. Before the hairy arm can pose about him, Tarzan slips out of their crushing embrace. He expires right back.  Once more, the keen blade sinks home into the jugular vein. A fountain of dark blood wells up from the death wound. Slowly, the ape sinks to the marble floor. One last muscular convulsion. The giant hulk is life. It's not mine, Margaret. Now, Suten, we'll talk. Verily, O Tarzan of the Apes, thou out-a-mighty man in battle, I would that thou... Look, Tira, with a great military escort. And do you see what those men before her are carrying? The father of diamonds. Helen, Margaret, come down here with us. Tarzan, that woman is wicked. I feel it. There is much trouble in store for us. Silence, Margaret. Else Tira will hear thee. Okay, I'm in short. Cat! Silence. Suten, thy day is done. The people of Hessehair have seen the golden disc in which lies the father of diamonds. They know it is now mine. With it, I become all-powerful in the land of the Hessehair. Today is an evil day for thee and thy friends. And for me, Tarzan of the Apes. Why, Otto? The Arteff was a just, though stern man. This woman, Tira, hath a black heart. I fear for thee. Beneath my rule, the land of Hessehair shall prosper greatly. My word shall be long. Thou art mad, woman. The story of the rulers of Hessehair has written in the priestly books. Never have woman ruled alone. I shall cause thee to be burned, the sacred writings. Sematuaki hetipu kesta. Surround these men and women, God. Poor Tarzan was right, Tarzan.  So long as she offers no harm to Helen and Margaret, we'll wait and watch. Look, God surrounding the king. His Tira seems to be an earnest. Until I have decided what thy fate shall be, Suten, thou shalt be prisoner in thine own chamber. Thou darest not. The people of Hessehair will rise against thee. Not while I hold the father of Diamon. But the council of Thirteen. They remain loyal to me. Is it not so, O heart-riest? Answer me! And so thy lost prophecy taken from the Almighty King. Neshem, here is my offer to the council. He will retire to your chamber. I grant thee one hour to make your decision. Either ye serve me or the deep mine. Go, and take your former king with ye. Let him hear your decision. My gods follow. Thou shalt pay with this thou traitorous. The ancient gods of Hessehair shall turn thee. Tira, why do these guards surround us with bronze swords? I placed the Diamon in your hands. You promised to let us go. I'll keep your agreement. And so I shall, Tarzan of the Eighth. But there is much to do in this land of the Hessehair. My people come first. He must be patient. I don't like that, Paul. She's worse than a dozen, Suten. It is enough, my darling, that we are together. Never again shall they take you away from me. Let her have her way now, Tarzan. As Tarzan says, we are together. And we can afford to wait a little. You will be given quarters where you will await my word. And see that we get it soon, Tira. At the appointed time, you shall have an escort of honor to see ye safely to the jungle's edge when she came. Hakeru! Aye, my queen. Thou, Tarzan Hakeru, art in charge of these strangers. Thou art responsible for their safekeeping and their comfort. To hear is to obey, O daughter of the sun. Where shall they be lodged? In the tower of the sun. See that their every comfort is attended to. Aye, O Tira, it shall be done. Tower of the sun, Hakeru. On the outskirts of Archer, Tarzan of the apes. You may see it from here. I certainly don't trust that woman. And I don't like the sound of this place we're going to. Tower of the sun. Hello, my share. Do not look for trouble. We are all together. And that is worth more than any hazard we may possibly have to face. Yes. By the way, Hakeru. We are to remain together in the same place. All in the tower of the sun. Yes. Do you know, Tom? I am still puzzled over the fact that these strange people here in this extent to Volcano speak such good English. Yes, I have often thought of it. Hakeru, how is it that the Suten, Tira and the High Priest knew came to learn such ancient but excellent English? A score of generations ago, Atan Tom, there descended upon the land of Hezihar a great famine. Hundreds upon hundreds died and those who reigned were working skeletons. It sounds like a tale of ancient Egypt when the waters of the Nile failed. The atep of that day was a young prince. His heart was sore and his spirit troubled, for he was a goodly youth. All prayers to Mark's shoe, the father of diamonds, were in vain. The priesthood, helpless. The rain came not. When he talks, Paul, it's just like listening to King James' version of the Old Testament. I can't remember my share, but listen. At last the young Arteff Fatou determined to brave the wrath of the gods, to break the immutable laws of centuries, to journey outside the sacred valley of Tuanbaka. The noble youth made his way to the edge of a great, boundless lake. He entered a house that moved across the face of the waters. He must have felt as you did, Tarzan, the first time you set foot on a boat. Fatou came to a country called Angloland. He prostrated himself before the Arteff of that country, who was a man of good heart. He sent Fatou back with much store of wheat and grain and strange food stuff. He must be the king of England. He never knows how many years ago. And so the famine was lifted and there was peace and plenty in the land of Hezihariah. From that day to this, a few of the royal house and one noble in each generation have learned to speak this strange tongue in honor of Fatou and the Arteff of Angloland. I'd like to have known this, Fatou. You and he would have understood one another, Tarzan, without the need of words. Is that the Tower Hakeru, just ahead there? Aye, Helen Gregory, that will be thy home for a while at least. It's not as high as I expected. Well, here we are. Open the door, Hakeru. We come first to the chamber of the men, O Tarzan. The maidens will rest in the rooms on the floor above. I don't like that idea, my friend. They obey the order of Tira. Here is the chamber. Enter, O Tarzan. But where are you going, Hakeru? I return to the temple, after I have the maidens to their quarters above. As soon as I may, I shall come back with news of what had occurred. I have been told, Tarzan, that this chamber door may not be moved from within, but be not uneasy on that score. He may have my word that I shall return soon. Tarzan trusts you, Hakeru. And so he may.  Helen Gregory and Makra follow the Hesseharian noble up a flight of circular stone steps to enter a comfortably furnished chamber above that occupied by the three men. As the door closes upon Hakeru, young women turn to examine their new abode. Below, in their quarters, Tarzan calls to Darno and Tom. Tom! Darno! Come out here. What have you found? An open circular court. Yeah, those walls are at least 20 feet high and as smooth as glass. And see how they curve in at the top. Oui, je vois. I do not like this place, mes amis. It is too much like a prison yard. Look up there. Above us on that iron grating. Above the three men, on an open iron grating which juts out from a window of their chamber, Helen and Makra stand gazing down into the little court. From high above them, there appears a number of vastly flying things. Giant sword-billed pterodactyls. The ungainly monster swoop directly down upon the two unsuspecting defenseless women. Makra, Helen, get back inside that room. The credit is too late.


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So this morning I found myself feeling like really irritable and I could not figure out why. But then, then after a little bit of mindfulness, I realized what the issue was. Jealousy is a biznitch. What is up everybody? This is Chris from the Rewired Soul where we talk about the problem but focus on the solution and if you're new to my channel, my channel is all about mental health and something that I like to do is pull different topics from the YouTube community to try to teach you how to improve your mental and emotional well-being and something that can help you with your mental and emotional well-being is learning how to chill out with the jealousy. So make sure you subscribe and ring that notification bell.  So a lot of you have a ton of requests talking about different topics or different YouTubers or whatever it is and I can only do so much. So I do something called Patreon Q&As. So I have different tiers of Patreon, a bunch of different perks, but if you sign up for even a dollar, I do Patreon Q&As and I will answer your question. So I'm going to do one this weekend. I just posted the Q&A thing over on Patreon. Go check it out, sign up for Patreon for as little as a dollar. But you sign up for five, you get extra videos and all sorts of stuff. All right. Anyways, let's jump into this. So those of you who are not familiar with the channel spill, spill started, I think her oldest video is about two months old, right? Maybe a little longer. She popped up and I started getting recommended her channel when the Shane Dawson series was going on. But what's up with that? My series was a Shane Dawson series. So how come spill is doing this too? So I'm going over there, I'm watching your content and I am just going absolutely bonkers. All right. So I've been on YouTube for about a year now, right? A little over a year and I am almost at 40,000 subscribers. Spill just started two months ago and she is almost at 100,000 subscribers. And it just drives me absolutely nuts. So like every time she posts a video, I look at it. And sometimes I post a video before she posts a video and they're all the same topics, but she's getting massive amounts of views compared to mine. Like look at this. Are you guys seeing this? Like these are videos on the exact same thing. Why is she getting so many more views than I am? What am I doing? Why do the YouTube algorithm gods hate me so much that they're promoting spill more than me? I make such amazing content, right? Right? Can any of you relate to this? Can any of you relate to these feelings that I'm feeling, right? And part of my mental health channel is like I try to, you know, I try to make videos to talk about what I go through because not only do I want you to relate to the YouTubers that you're watching, like I want you to relate to me. I know there's stuff that I deal with, you know? And I want to talk about my personal experiences and how I get through these things. So this is about jealousy. And a lot of people have asked me about jealousy. Like those of you who don't know me yet, like I used to have terrible, terrible anger management issues.  I was the biggest hater on earth. Like your success made me mad.  I'm like, I went to school with kids who had like BMWs when they were 16 and I was still riding on the bus and I just hated it. I hated like, why is everything so much easier for you than it is for me, right?  How come it seems like life or the universe or whatever it is just hands you everything, but not me, right? And this can absolutely destroy our mental health and that's why we need to work on this, okay? So like for example with Spill, here's three suggestions to work on your jealousy and anger. So the first thing I do with my mindfulness practice is when I see these thoughts, these ruminating thoughts, these thoughts, these obsessive thoughts that are coming over and over and over again, I ask myself one simple question, okay? Is this useful to me? Is it useful, okay? And for the most part, it's not, all right? So there's a reason why I say we talk about the problem but focus on the solution. Me sitting in this problem and thinking about how Spill is getting all these views and her channel's doing better than mine and all those things. Like what good is that really doing me?  How am I progressing? How am I succeeding in any way by sitting in that problem, right? But there is a little bit, there is a little bit and this is just the way that I'm wired and if you're wired this way, use it too. It motivates me, right? So I figured out a way to take that jealousy, that irrational jealousy and turn it into motivation. So now I look at somebody like Spill who's killing it and doing awesome and that motivates me to work harder and do better. You know, what can I do? So I look at my situation because it's not about what I can't control, what can I control? Can I make more videos? Can I spruce up my editing? What can I do to get to where she's at, right? So you see what I mean? So the emotion, the emotion's still gonna be there but how do I turn it from something that's not useful into something that's useful? So now this is my motivation, my drive, my passion. So for example, if you work with somebody and they're getting promoted, they're getting raises and stuff like that, don't sit back and hate on them. Figure out what you gotta do to work harder and get to where they are. You see what I mean? One of my favorite sayings is if you want what they have, you gotta do what they do, right? And for some of us, we have to do even more but I guarantee it'll be worth it.  So I can sit back and say like, oh, it must be nice, Spill.  And that is so awful, right? Because here's the thing, I don't know if you've ever watched Spill's videos, I'm gonna link her channel down below. But she is an amazing content creator. I absolutely love her content. She's very well spoken. She uses great clips. She also uses like animated clips. Not even sure if she's animating them or what.  If you're the one reviewing or editing the episodes, you naturally want to put out the most sympathetic version of yourself. And even if you're not reviewing it or editing it, your editor still has a vested interest in keeping you happy because you're paying them. But one thing that I absolutely love about her content too is that I don't know if she's a psychology student or what. So Spill, if you see this, talk to me. But she talks about different psychologists and studies and she intertwines that with her videos and it is phenomenal. You should never fight over text message. So many things can be misunderstood or miscommunicated. He could have called her or met up with her in person to talk things through. As psychologist David Lennon says, conflict is inevitable in any relationship but how couples communicate during a conflict goes a long way. So she's working really hard and she deserves this, right?  She's just lucky.  You know what I mean? So I need to get out of that mindset. And again, if anything, I need to work harder because maybe just maybe it's not the algorithms fault but maybe because of that extra effort that she puts into her videos, maybe that's why her videos are doing better. But anyway, she's doing a phenomenal job and I don't need to take away from that by saying she's lucky or it must be nice. Tip number three, tip number three for working on jealousy and anger is this, okay? Is you always have to remember, I always have to remember that happiness is not a limited resource, okay? Let me repeat that again for the people in the back. Happiness is not a limited resource. Like this is one of the most fascinating things about our brains, okay? Why does our brain think that somebody else's happiness is taking away from our happiness, right? Like think about that for a second. Like are there happiness deposits that we're running out of is global warming affecting people's like the amount of happiness that we have left on this planet? No, absolutely not. So why am I wasting time getting upset that spill or anybody else in life is succeeding and doing well, okay? So one of the meditation practices that I try to teach all of you is something called loving kindness. So download any meditation app and you'll find it, but it's like sending good thoughts, good wishes, good emotions, whatever it is to other people and it will help. It helps retrain your brain. So something that I try to do now is I look at this and I realize, you know, my happiness isn't being taken away by someone else's happiness and I realize, I realize like this is for the, like the greater good if you will. Seeing other YouTubers succeed helps me out. Seeing other people in my niche, in my career, whatever you want to call it, it is helping me out. So if you are in a job, if you are in an industry, like if somebody's getting promoted or raises around you, that's good. That's good for you because that means that your company is actually investing in its employees. You see what I'm saying? But the more YouTubers who succeed, the better chances I have of succeeding. So I want all of the YouTubers to succeed. I want all of them to do well and I hope that makes sense. Just remember, and this is where mindfulness comes in. So mindfulness is a practice of being present and noticing what's happening right now. So if you could just make the small step, the small step to ask yourself, why do you feel like someone else's happiness is taking away from your own? If you could just stop and ask yourself that question, I guarantee your life will get better. All right? But anyways, Spill is an amazing content creator. I've never talked to her, but this is just something that was on my mind and I know this is something that can help some of you who are struggling with jealousy. And let me know down in the comments below. Down in the comments below, let me know. Is this something that you struggle with? Like do you become a hater? Do you look at other people's success and you just get mad or upset or say they're lucky, it must be nice? Let's have a conversation down below in the comments, okay? But anyways, that's all I got for this video. If you liked this video, please give it a thumbs up. If you're new, make sure you subscribe and ring that notification bell because I make a ton of videos. I might be making two or three more videos today. I don't know yet. But anyways, huge thank you to everybody supporting the channel over on Patreon. You're all awesome. And again, go sign up over on Patreon, click or tap right here, sign up because I will be doing a Patreon Q&A this weekend. All right? Thanks so much for watching. Quit being a hater and I'll see you next time.


In facing Wells, a trend will continue for the Yankees. They've had a different lineup for every game so far, and this evening will be no different. Earlier today, Aaron Boone talked about how he doesn't think his minor adjustments are huge changes, providing our quote of the day presented by Toyota. I think it's a lot closer to the same every day than when you change one guy out or move a guy here, it turns into a new lineup. But I don't think it's overall that much different. And as you get flowing and you get settled in, and if you remain healthy, things tend to get a little more consistent. Are you juggling a lot to try to find something, or are you juggling a lot because each day is different and it's a match up against different pitchers? Yeah, I mean, a lot of times it's been one guy's out. So Donaldson was leading off there for a while against right-handers and he was out of a lineup. Now all of a sudden you move a guy a slot, then next day he's in, it's a lefty, so it's a little different of a look. So I think as you get going, and again, if you're healthy, things tend to settle in a little bit more, even more consistently. Aaron, the hits have not for Gallo, the hits have not been falling, but some of the percentages look pretty good. How do you kind of view that? Do you think he's been unlucky or how do you look at it? Yeah, I think he's been, yeah, I think he's been a little bit unlucky because there has been some quality of contact. He's not all the way there yet, but there's a lot of things that suggest he's, I feel like a lot of those guys, and I know you get sick of me hearing it, but I do feel like we're close. I feel like last night was not a good offensive game for us. I go back to the first game of the Manola game where he kind of had his way. Otherwise, I think within the games, the at-bat quality's been there. Had some tough luck in those games, but, and I feel like Joey's one of those guys on the cusp, and he has smoked some balls that haven't fallen for him, but he's just got it, especially this time of year. As I talked to you guys a lot early, it's like, that's why I just want guys to get settled and kind of get into the flow of the season. All you have to go on, you start pressing in an everyday game, chasing a result, and you got a more chase to just the at-bat quality. Have the at-bats, and with these guys, the results should be there.


Hi everybody! As you can see, this Calitia is not doing super well. This is the Calitia Medallion and it was given to us by a friend of ours. It was not doing well, so she gave it to me to see if I could save her. You may remember her from the plan tour that I did a couple of months ago and today I'm going to report it, so let's get to it. Okay you guys, so there are various things that I'm going to be changing with this plan. The first one is the pot, so right now it's in a plastic pot which I think is very useful because plastic retains moisture for longer. So I'm going to keep it in plastic but I'm going to put it in a smaller pot. This is so the roots are a little bit more compressed and the plant is more encouraged to grow. The second thing that I want to do is to change the potting mix. As you can see, the potting mix is not the best right now. It's very compressed and just not so nice. So I'm going to change it to a more fluffy and moisture retaining potting mix for this Calitia. So if your Calitia is not doing so well and you would like to report it, just follow along with me. The first thing that we want to do is to take our Calitia out of the pot. So as you can see we have many roots here and they look pretty healthy. So I want to be very careful here and all we want to do is to massage the roots really careful with our fingers out of the soil just like so. You can also maybe press it a little bit so the soil comes out without damaging the roots. I think this is the central part of our Calitia. We're going to leave it here and prepare our potting mix. For our potting mix I'm going to add seven parts of cocoa coir for moisture retention, three parts of warm castings for nutrition, of course for drainage, two parts of perlite. And before you use perlite because it's very dusty, make sure to soak it in water first so we don't have to breathe all of that dust. Also I like to add two parts of coarse pumice rock and of course microbliss which is a mixture of beneficial fungi that will prevent our plant from being shocked and promote healthy root grows. And start adding to our pot. This first layer of soil will give the roots the extra support they need at the bottom. Now we're going to take our plant and put it in the pot. I like to pat the soil down a little bit very gently so the plant has some support and the soil settles in. And then we water. Now remember to always filter the water when using it for your Calitia because they're very sensitive to tap water. Now to maintain the moisture what I'm going to do is to add some extra water to an external pot. And all you have to do is to add a base like this one, maybe some pumice rocks on the side so your internal pot, the one that has your Calitia, can stand on those rocks or that base and not inside the water but you will have that extra moisture around the pot. I'll give you an update on this guy very soon. If you reported with me today make sure to comment below. I would love to know about your experience. Also if you would like to support this community and the work that I do here we do have a Patreon page where we meet every month and talk about plants we also repot together and we're going to propagate together very soon so if you would like to join us over there make sure to check out this link right here. And as always, I will see you in the next one. Okay, adios!