ught it was gonna be easy for him They would actually provide like meaningful substantive price for the film, but he didn't do that Because he clearly didn't care. How many did wins get for multi for some manners? He went so low.  He's already dead So, yeah Oh, yeah That should not be one of the like well watched videos that praises Puss in boots the last wish. What the fuck, you know Yeah So was that video worse than his video on um mom I hate it more than his video on multiverse and madness because I feel like it sort of exemplifies the problem with his approach That when it comes to actually praising something of value His system screws everything up But just came in y'all didn't realize how vapid wins is as a meteor analyst I thought that he could at least repeat things the movie said You know, I thought yeah, I thought that he could play a good film for him That was reasonable. Yeah for the right. All right. If you're gonna make last wish If you're gonna make 200 points and they tell they asked me, uh, what's the score do you assume?  He still didn't do it And the reality is that again In fact factor in that if he wasn't take getting all the points for the video he watched on cool things How low would it be it probably at what like like a six? Yeah, like if he was in a vacuum where he couldn't where where like the only person he could rely on to notice that there were eight You know eight, uh cups on the on the table or the death was even there because that was the thing a lot of people missed I missed it. I didn't see it when I was In a vacuum, how much of that how much of it would have been how much If he couldn't look at what other people were saying would have been generated from his own analysis of the film That arises spontaneously based on his preferences and his perspective and his experience of watching films It looks like he would have struggled tremendously because that's where he got the most of his points Yeah, that's uh, that's I can't believe it. I can't believe this should have been an athlete Yeah, he got he got this low and as we just said it really should have been lower. Um, so Wow many many scenes where there's something to say and he filled his script with like, uh, but What's funny here, uh Oh, it's it's kind of like, um Kind of like wicker man. Yeah, there you go. I'll put a reference to that It's like the thing Oh, I've been working on this for like hours here All right, I'm taking a break if you do an appraise for um empire strikes back and you get to I am your father Then you go Well, I didn't think you were my mother Yeah, then you just gave yourself a and then it's like yeah, there you go I just it's it's just that If if if it was really as good as you were saying that you felt it was at the end That you really enjoyed it and connected with it that should have been more apparent throughout the whole video Where was that in the analysis? Why did you skip huge swaths of character and plot to get to a shitty joke? But we should just we should just move on Yeah, how many times do we have to be updated? Yeah. Well, we had we had uh, I was just You may have two bi-b's I was gonna say is probably Well, I'm actually gonna Gonna peace out because I'm barely staying awake right now. I got you You'll discover the exciting conclusion when you wake up Yeah, wait, wait, wait before you leave you have to tell us who you think is gonna win Uh, I think sense is actually gonna get this one.  I just met uh, just Witnessed I I think gg. It's gg for win gg Uh, since all right. Yeah, no, it's fair. Uh, I would have called you a madman a few hours ago But uh, now So the reason why I think mel is absolutely correct and the I would revive my fucking prediction But that's not the point of that now Is because I think sins is going to give praise to this film In places where it deserves it Because he's hot just trying to talk about movies and so he's gonna be like This part is actually amazing for this really, you know, remove thing And otherwise, he'll probably try and get through as much as he can with jokes because he knows He knows, you know, like on this one Well, I think that he might because he has the handicap of having to work harder that might actually Make him focus and think about what he's saying and try and see if there's anything That's an interesting aspect Sins is actually matter is that he's hated and the winds is matter is that he's accepted no matter what because he's positive This is like this is like tortoise in the hair Yeah, we might have we might have the tortoise who has all the disadvantages, you know, persevering And winning but that's kind of funny to think about I guess we'll find out I'm gonna Pass out. Bye. We'll see you later What I was gonna say is that the hair comparing them to the hair is inaccurate because the hair is at least full of energy for a time Hey, buddy edited the video, okay in the theory, I don't even know if he did to be honest with you It's so soulless and it really is like I I find that talk in positivity. Shit. So fucking annoying I'm just like, well, yeah, if it's positive, that's good enough, right When again the contrast of good and bad, it's just presence If you like it if there's a reason why it's working then there has to be a way that it can be dysfunctional the way that it isn't so good And how can you appreciate the good if you're just pretending that there is no such thing as bad or flawed or a mistake or an error And it just feels like it reflects in that video Because I mean really how would you what would meaningfully be the difference between like the nature of what he was doing there Compared to multiverse of madness other than well, because it's so good It becomes impossible to not actually get a few worthwhile observations in there. Yeah All right, well, yeah, here we go The first thing Will be his commentary on the opening credits and if he if he just says opening credits lame Like there'll be no point But if he mentions like the state of the fuckery that is opening credits and how that has like it's cringe and It's obvious reference to like how Like the I'm guessing the mcu would probably have to blame for it, right? So You know like it and I believe this is probably gonna do it But let's let's find out everyone ready Yeah, let's go here we go Ready ready. Let's do it Oh wow, oh my goodness Comcast I will never understand That's okay zero zero for that. Yeah Why the sliver of the moon is somehow inside the moon and if wait, oh no, did dreamworks animation marvelize their opening logo? So it begins Bad dreamworks drop it bad bad also including boss baby in your anything ever I mean I feel he gets a point Okay, we're up to oh my god. He's close. All right. He's already close Keep the film running. Keep the film running Oh god Also, also, we're the crudes madagascar turbo the beef about f***ing moses Oh The things that were emitted and the things yeah, because Everyone loves prince of egypt everyone f***ing loves that movie He's at three before the movies begun. Oh god I thought he was at two not three Uh, he I thought he got one specifically for a few games. Yeah. He's already done a few Oh, okay, so Which was nothing Dreamworks marvelize their logo. That's bad. That's one point us baby. Baby is in there. That's ridiculous another point And then why did you exclude these? Okay.  Sorry What the f*** How is there ever a first star you see if this is the sky you were looking at first glance At least a thousand stars and a planet or two at the same time. What ever zero You could be looking at one of them What? Yeah Star that you see properly. It's the most prominent star but it You know, isn't it he's reading it from the the map and they're playing it now at the beginning or my Yeah, but Sins is saying that the the idea of seeing one star before the others is impossible But what if it's a really really bright star would that not be the point? I also feel like you do there's a difference between like Seeing and watching almost, you know the sense of like we we we do focus on one probably like hearing and listening Something like that. Yeah. So yeah, I don't know that that's that's just a I think this is zero, right? That's a zero. I don't know what people would say that it's like, oh, he's right It's like first of all, he's just he's saying the words that are part of the The speech that you say on the wishing star first of all and just because I showed it this time doesn't mean it Again, it's like, yeah, the first star that you see is the first star that you pay attention to Could it be a negative one minus one? I think it's a minus one because he's inaccurate like it doesn't matter because yeah He's just reading the words on the thing reading the words off the page So he's in a way is so is he being critical of the poem? No, he's being no Yeah Well, I feel like he's um one star before another he's looking for a flaw because this is gonna be a tough one What do we do? I was happy with negative one is everyone else. Yeah, I'm okay with negative one. Yeah. Yeah, that's all right We can do it. Yeah one squeeze two out two. You did it, too. Now just say it this number forever needing to clarify a swashbuckling talking cats relationship to reality Oh, well, so damn again The whole point of being a fairy tale is meant to communicate something to you about what you're expecting not just by way of fantasy, but also meaning So why is he being like? Oh? Oh, do you know what I mean? That means that jack corner got to be in a fairy tale after all Not just in there. Yeah But is this a zero Or is this is this more I think it's a joke. Is it just a neutral Yeah, but I But that's the cinema sins thing when it's wrong. It's a joy. Yeah, I think it's another minus one needing to clarify a swashbuckling talking cats relationship to reality Like that's not what it's for I think he's misinterpreting the text So it isn't here's the thing it wasn't I don't think it was made enough of a joke So If he used a different like inflection or maybe a different phrasing, I'd be like, oh, that's a joke I was about to say I would be okay with a suss here. I'm fine with suss. He's getting the suss. Is it too suss? That's relationship to reality And we will never wash it again encouraging bad hygiene as a response to your child's budding interest in bdsm It's a joke Zero Okay, yes, zero. This is how it's this is how it starts now In order for this to make any sense this horse here would have had to do a full 360 while standing on his hind legs And if that happened you show me that That's actually true. I think that's right. Yeah, I think that's true Um, what is that though? Like in terms of yeah, what is that? I guess he's accurate It's a continuity error if he's accurate It's a continuity error if that's actually what's happening then the horse should have done this I'll see that again Yeah In order for this to make any sense this horse here would have had to do a full 360 while standing on his hind legs And if that happened you show me that Um, but it's a cartoon horse. So maybe it can Um, I think he's pointing out how kind of like even in university. That's pretty crazy for it to do And especially that's the implications of yeah, I think he's right Yeah, I think that would be pretty crazy for the horse to be on its hind leg and I feel like if the video was full of like the little things like that he might be able to squeak it out A point is a point. So all right fine. That's kind of what I'm counting on I think he's good enough hey enough table scraps make a meal. So all right Leaving your swords on the five second delay setting. What if you need something to be sorted immediately? Um, he's trying to hold his pants up and he's got guards. So No, that's not what he's saying. He's saying that's five second delay on the actual damage inflicted Yeah Which is a zero fine with me. That's a zero. That's a zero. I think in this world Yeah, that kind of thing is totally fine. If it was if it was a realistic story Then I I would agree, but I think in this setting with The film has realistic violence in it Is there any credence to the idea that this is very this Section of the film is very much taking place from puss in boots this perspective where he's sort of living the legend Sort of until the bell falls on him and then it all kind of stops and becomes a little bit more grounded The thing is I think that if I was analyzing this myself, I'd be like that doesn't make sense But it's satisfying to watch Hmm And have not decided on what I would say when it comes to cartoon physics And how much I would ever consider those into by way of flaws I'm usually like it's about consistency and um If you so for example, right, you know the the neck that right? So if if it's cut just enough that's still connected but with very few threads it could then separate after a delay That's actually fine. That one makes no sense at all Like I'm sure so This is getting autistic, but I mean this what we're here to do I think I think the autistic element does. Yeah, I think so. I think autism has it. I think this is accurate Even your sword's on the five second delay setting What if you need yeah, and he's he's he's deliberately given a joke format of delivering this But he obviously because it's it's so cringe to be like why is the why is it work this way?  You got a point for this too. He Like was not a nitpick this is intentional it is intentionally delayed because yeah for a joke Yeah Which is a fun joke, but it is technically you know inconsistent with some of the other that still might qualify as a nitpick Yeah, the reason why it doesn't it doesn't there are there are lots of choices people make in filmmaking Knowing it'll damage some other element, but they're like it's worth the risk or worth the the damage In this case, I think almost 99.99999 percent of humans would say What even the damage and even if whatever, but it's like the problem having here is that what he said is true Yeah, fair enough We're yeah, we're in turbotism mode. Yeah, I think that's yeah, that's how we got to engage with it Fair enough chat says remove sus. He's getting a point. He's not removing this It's a point is it not a point tell me why it's not point. No, I think you're I think you're right I think this is a point It's a point with a with a begrudging like uh to explain the autism here if I made An extensive breakdown of this film. I probably wouldn't include this like sins has beaten me on this like I just feel like I just don't feel Yeah, it's technically true, but we got to be true to you know some kind of emoji here. All right I'm just saying it's an eye roll emoji, but it's a point. It's a point in eye roll The question isn't does this damage the film because it it doesn't it is this accurate? It's completely inconsequential, but the fact is sins is right.  I think there's something to it. Um, he's right though He's right.  It's like of course loads of plot holes in hand seeds like They should have had it to where an uh an errant Firework flies off into the woods and then blows up like really close to him and wakes it up And that's what they could have done there are character assassination choices that can enhance scenes like it's A lot of the time a lot of mistakes in filmmaking are made as frame was pointed out It's not even you wouldn't even call that well He was saying you wouldn't call it an epic you wouldn't call it a mistake because it's done deliberately knowing what it is But like You know at the same time there are people who have to solve two problems at once And they're like we'll just opt to solve one because I don't really care about the other Not to not to make us because this could this tangent could last forever And like a you know coyote and roadrunner cartoon When like coyote cuts like the the the lion for the bridge and then it makes the land fall around him. What is that? Uh The thing about it is are you rating it on a level of storytelling or comedy? Like I feel like those two rains would be different. I think it's brilliant It's like comedically it's brilliant But of course it's the nature of those cartoons is that the cartoon physics are deliberately inconsistent Because well, that's the other element that they are consistently nonsensical or whatever Usually the thing that I would say that binds them with the consistency is the characters daffy bugs You know coyote sylvester twitty like these characters will react in a pretty consistent way But the world that they live in is inconsistent It's a crazy cartoon world where cartoon physics are playing out But they react as you would expect them to you know like the daffy one when he's with the animator I think duck a muck.  They're hilarious, but of course they're you know, they cartoon physics, right? Um someone highlights value to it, but it's a different sort of it's different um someone someone to highlight and like uh, it's not necessarily the Uh, the giant doesn't wake up semi-regularly In fact, you could argue that the the guy saying you've awoken him is is indicative of this being a semi-regular thing And that he just kidnaps people and stuff So until sins says something more specific that it wouldn't count as anything other than a zero But on the other hand, they wouldn't have all the fireworks everywhere and stuff like that I mean the town would be living making sure that no, we can't have any loud noises Are you will awake the sleeping giant of del mar? And the building gets torn apart by this giant.  Yeah, I mean We're starting to get into like quiet place territory, but They should not live here. They should move it is like technically, you know the I mean it's a fair criticism. I think it's like I said, it's one of the ones that came to my mind Imagining the things that he would say Yeah, so I think he's right on this one This could be set for the majority of the moving Let's just add a few sins here for puts and boots surviving any of this I had a feeling he'd say that because I thought at the time myself I was like that's a bit of plot armor there, babe. And the thing is the film is very much about him You know dying. So it's like I'm uh, I'm trying to work out how to articulate this because I'm thinking that This whole beginning section I kind of said this before but I'm trying to phrase it in a different way this whole beginning section is He is so wrapped up in his ego and the legend That is then that's kind of why things are almost a little bit unbelievable and then everything Sort of get you get smacked in the face when death actually makes him bleed So things he dies in this scene True Yeah So it isn't a dream sequence I guess and a lot of the action is very justified a lot of it I'll agree is tune physics, but the like it's very difficult to Like prevent the film from taking any criticism when they want you to feel the weight of real physics and real violence I would give him one for this Yeah, I think it's there. Yeah Yeah, I feel like if the bell if the bell kills him This is I mean how how is the sign able to go through all the walls without breaking apart? Um It's not like he's got cushioning or anything. I mean we're in autism mode, but yeah, yeah Let's keep reminding people This this same level of autism was applied to win Yes, I think I agree. I don't I agree that what sins is saying is accurate I would dispute that it damages the movie, but that's not what we're counting here I would dispute the degree of damage But I don't think it can be denied that it would be a form of damage even if it was minuscule I think it's I think it is minuscule for the point of the film, but it is minuscule is still a positive number Surviving any of this man. Yes, I realize he actually will die in a minute So you might see the irony, but I see you off and me still giving this movie since might as well get this off my chest I mean that just means we'll give us here. I guess he's like, yeah, this film's amazing I gotta get my licks in while I can yeah, which is what we thought would happen to be honest Which is what he's gotta do. I think yeah That's right now this movie is gorgeous the almost cel-shaded effect of the environment The use of different frame rates the visualizations of the movements You didn't have to go this hard for pib dose, but you did so go ahead and take the set off of where I remember This is the Shrek universe watching so curiously. He mostly just did what wins that he told us Things they're using Yeah, um, he's essentially saying yeah that this film is absolutely beautiful, uh and animation is gorgeous So which is true, but it's too broad to get a point. Yeah, I think it's just zero I think pushing boots fight with the giant made me realize that these few seconds are better than the entirety of the last hellboy movie Which is a good thing, but also you made me remember that last hellboy movie. Hey, uh, we saw the last hellboy movie It was terrible really really that movie is an experience. Yeah It's an experience. It's it's awful. Don't do not see hellboy the last one So I guess uh, that's just a zero, right? Yeah, I think it's it's a reference because You want to see something cool breaking the fourth wall to ask a rhetorical question It's not breaking the fourth wall. He asked the giant breaking the fourth wall. He's asking the giant That seems from the giant's perspective. I didn't get hit with the bell. No It can you can argue it works as a line that we like, you know We can feel like he's talking to us, but he's not in universe. He's talking to the giant He is talking to the giant. That's right. It just also works for us Which is clever. Um, is that just a negative one? Uh, yeah, because it's not breaking the fourth wall if he says it is and that's a negative Yeah, that was just incorrect. Yes Very well It is more important for puss to draw his trademark in the dirt than to move out of the way of a falling giant A giant that will 100 cover up everything puss etched in the dirt. Yep. It's indicative of his ego Yep, he's still got style. That's all right. Oh Anyway, he knows what he's doing. I think that might be a negative one. It implies he's not following the point Yeah Yeah negative one for that one Yep And since you're struggling a little here now, what's going on?  There's no reason to call it a fourth wall break when there's no reason in universe to perceive it that way at all Like the it works completely He even lifts up the flap on his eye his eye patch even lifts that up. It is the giant's perspective. It just also Works for the audience. You can there's many lines in a film that you can say that's you could argue That's like he's talking to us and you'd be like, yeah, you wouldn't call it a fourth wall break though Usually, uh, I mean more of it than that What i'm thinking of is the the final line in inglorious bastards, which is the uh from the perspective I won't spoil it straight up, but it's like the From the perspective of one character and another character then says this might just be my masterpiece Could call it, you know, it's referencing itself as the film as a whole but it's not a fourth wall break Yeah Okay, okay one more number on course seriously Why do people like on course they never get announced and you have to sit there and wait to see if the band will Come back on stage the lights coming on mean they won't was that just a trick too Stay up there till your entire session is finished. Why is that so hard? No, I got nothing. There's a zero.  I run hot not letting someone do their job just because you're weirded out by butt stuff I think fine though, that's fine.  It's like, I yeah, I'm hot If you if he ain't ready for it, you ain't ready for it. That's not a problem. That's just a zero consent Duh, he was crushed by a giant bell He should be reduced to a pancake fur covered bag of bone dust to cats regenerate to send with new bodies from the Heavenly ether. How does any of this work? The elements of his Supposed his survival of these lives is not explained So I don't know that there are mechanics that are that exist to the implication is that there's something supernatural happening for him though Yeah, he does have nine lives, which is not something everyone else habs. It has it is special. Uh, so Yeah, I don't I don't know like it raises questions.  Like, you know, I don't know. It's so is that a plus one for It's sort of highlighting that To bring it up. Is that a plus one? Um, I think if if it was explicit and we were to see Pushing boots fall into mount doom like we do with golem and then he's just alive in the next scene then yes Um, but because we don't see him like pan caked by the You know, we don't see his body for example When he gets pan caked by the um by the bell I'm not sure that is a clear plus one It's an it's a fair thing to bring up I wonder Should this Is this a plus one? Does it get rid of the peepo sus or is it a zero? Hmm, it's a tough one. It doesn't this is like a full sin. Yeah Because it's fair It's a totally fair thing to ask like how I want how are the mechanics of this work? What's the limit of like how how is does he actually only have like one life in the sense that a character in a video game Only really has one hit point and the rest of them are just these abstract Uh representations of either luck or armor or skill or dodging um It's What do we think should we put it to a vote? Uh, well, I'm tempted by negative sus He loses the sus. I think he loses the sus the fact that we're all very sus of this commentary is like indicative of the fact that it's It's a it's a weird the negative sus. I think yeah. All right. Yeah, he loses the sus. All right All right fair Yeah, happy with that her covered bag of bone dust to cats regenerate to send with new bodies from the heavenly ether How does any of this work? Take it easy doctor. Let's see There was the running of the bulls in pamplona And this will continue to show us all eight times Puss in boots has died because there's nothing a child likes to see more in their movie than dead cat montages Um, I think that's an interesting I mean cinema wins might actually like that But you might love that. I would dare say So his he's like I thought he was gonna go with the way of like his repetitive information or something but he said I mean they presented it in fun ways. So I don't think kids are gonna have that much issue with it. Yeah, it's funny And the fact is he's not dying Permanently and so it's still alive. Remember he is narrating this. He is a little alive. Um, yeah So it's like the complaint that like this wouldn't kids wouldn't like this It's too dark for kids or it's too rough for kids to watch a cat die eight times Well, because if that if that's the case, I'm thinking it's maybe a minus one It might be a minus one because he's he's like saying this is unsuitable for children, which is not true Yeah, it's clearly depicted in a fun way I think that's what he's leaning towards. Yeah, and I just I just don't agree Kids can handle a lot and this is very cartoony. It's portrayed very card.  If you said if you gave them a dvd of roadrunner in coyote You're like, I don't know if the kids should be watching coyote die over and over and over Some people saying is it sus worthy? I'm thinking it's a sus honestly. I don't know if I'd give it a negative one But it's it's definitely it's it feels like it's less than a zero. There's something sus You know what I mean? It's a sus I'm okay giving him a sus back Very well It's better than where you look at it It's funny just to see him running He's working really hard and he's on his tail Oh, this is a good one. This is a high tier meme.  You get a plus one. You get a plus one It was day vow on your discord Dave plus one. Let's see. That's more people From their movie than dead cat montage Excuse me. Does this have shellfish in it? Yes, sir Dying because of your own selfish actions That joke zero Makes eight puss you are down to your last life My prescription No more adventures for you But at least half of those deaths were not adventure based Puss could die by crossing the street at the wrong time. This doctor seemed Yeah, but he's this doctor's only got the contacts of this recent death. Anyway Yeah, plus it wouldn't even that none of that even matters If he died from crossing the street eight times, you can't go adventuring Like yeah So, yeah, it's still a fair observation regardless of some of them being stupid fairly reasonable Which means this is a minus because this is a silly thing So the film for the doctor's still right adventures put you in more danger Yeah, but besides I would argue this is allegorical for when you've got maybe a heart condition or that you've gotten so old It's like you need to chill out on your uh, just doing the things you did when you were younger The doctors have to give that information to a lot of people Yeah, yeah, if you had a heart attack from just laying around the house, you're not gonna say Well, I mean you didn't get a heart attack from crossing the Grand Canyon in the middle of the summer So you're fine to do that Yeah Negative one negative one here. That is a negative one. Yeah, I go to be I think It's just to take away everyone's will to live what happened to live like you were dying That's right doc. I trust Tim McGraw more than I trust you treat Why would your treats all be fish shaped? You don't only work on cats and honestly, it's a bit insensitive to your fish clients He's probably a vet can look there's Well, remember he's a he's like the doctor the vet the the uh The which which detector? Yeah, so I could imagine that he has a whole variety of assortments Why would you assume that all of his treats are the ones there negative one? Why would all your treats? Why would you? Yeah, that you don't know. They're all the they're all the treats exactly not all the ones Yeah, exactly because they're fish shaped doesn't mean that for they're for cats By the way, by the way insensitive to fish clients a lot of your fish clients will eat fish So that's right fish eat fish actually believe it or not. Um, shark's a fish and they eat fish Yeah, this is this is a minus one. I don't think sharks are technically fish I think fish is actually that there's no like real like true taxonomical definition for a fish It's just a casual catch all term Humans eat gingerbread man. I don't think so because sharks don't have bones Wait, what? I think I don't think don't they just have like cartilage and like in their teeth I guess but they don't have like a skeleton made of cartilage So does that mean their bones? If they're just made of cartilage they're not made of the same stuff Well, sure, that's a totally different like material than like a bone is right? So if if you have cartilage that serves as like a under like it that serves the The role, you know And also teeth aren't bones. That's true. Yeah Just are sharks fish All the sources I can find are saying it's fish. Yeah, there are special kind of fish Elasma branch fish characterized by cartilaginus skeletons Okay, why they're so hard? I thought they were I thought they were like cat just thought they were categorized as sort of a different thing Sharks are special kind of fish known because their body are made out of cartilage instead of bones like other fish I thought I thought fish was like large in term for Yeah, I thought I thought they're fish And then the question why is shark not a mammal despite names like whale shark all sharks are fish and differ from many ways From mammals for example mammals breathe air through lungs feed their young with milk warm blooded sharks pass water over gills to breathe Don't have mammary glands and with exception of mackerel sharks are cold-blooded So yeah, I guess they uh But then there's a question of why is shark not fish And then the answer is all true sharks are fish Well, what about false sharks? Yeah, not the fake sharks. Well, there's lying sharks. Oh, we have a monster This is a crocodile.  Well, what if the shark wrote the wiki? Sorry That's true. What's interesting is that the shark body plan evolved independently three times So yeah, the shark came first and then the ichthyosaur came second and then dolphins decided. Yeah, that looks cool Well, I'm gonna do that too. It's just it and they even have like similar Skin coatings. It's um, it's interesting how convergent evolution works The only shark that's a mammal is a lone shark Three die. Oh wait, did we get right? So it's not a it's not a zero or one A negative one. I mean negative one. I think because it's it's just it's just it's an it's a display of a lack of insight I'll go anti insight That's where I'm thinking where's he's sitting for you rags? So this one here is a negative one or Okay, so that put that puts him at two with a sus. Yeah, that's what I got Yeah, he started out a lot stronger, but Wins getting more comfy. He's sitting down. He's like, okay. Yeah, I think so He needs to pedal for my second trick. Wait. So wins is at the part where i'm john connor, you know He thinks he escaped the two one thousand. So what if he got a roll over in the truck? We'll see what if he gets like three points in a row? That's what that'll be Retire you are too good looking to retire Yeah, but that's a zero in the same way that yeah, that's nothing observation. It's not a flaw Wait, it's not a flaw. Wait, wait, wait. He has the ability to do flaws and Praises in the same thing that wins as the chance. Yeah To do the same He counted it as a sin though. He didn't remove. Yeah, that's what I mean He's counting it as it's something wrong with the film Oh, this gets weird doesn't it that's what i'm saying Like because we viewed it the same way with cinema wins when he counted something like that's a win for the film When it was just nothing We don't take point away for that though, right? Um, I think that there were times when it was detrimental I think we did um, there were a couple of instances where when he considered something a win You're like the times when he had something that was weirdly negative that was counted as a win I remember that those were times when it started to get a bit uh Hmm. I'm pretty sure there was the time when he said like I didn't understand this sentence Because I because it's like nothing but he's putting it as a negative. That's what that's what's confusing me right now I agree. It's a nothing but then he like by that I don't think we use this logic because like when he tells a joke and then adds a sin We don't say like well, that's not a sin for the movie. Yeah, that's true.  Mr.  Obviously I think you've transcended the zero into the negative He's saying that like he's doing a bad job when this is almost seems to be slipping into Your monologuing when you're supposed to be doing your villain goals like no the monologuing is like a big What he was supposed to do was just walk into the bar and silently, you know, slip, push and boost Yeah Completely antithetical to his character Yeah, yeah, because he said instead of actually good at his job is like his job isn't to just end lives He's uh, he wants to know first if he's speaking to the person he's looking for Yeah, he loves us here.  Why does puss have eight empties strewn around here when he's the only one in the bar just reuse your glass, man The bartender and the planet are begging you That one hurts a little bit. I think that has to her because he's he must have missed What it means He knows that there are eight empties, but he doesn't acknowledge why they're there and also people don't necessarily Refill my shot You don't use your shot glass when you yeah That's a negative Talk to people at a bar and then he thinks you're supposed to reuse your shot glasses. What's wrong with him? Hey, you never But he hasn't actually been to one Yeah, like yeah, I think this is negative one negative. I think this is this is a negative one. Yeah, what are you doing, man?   Well, let me guess puss in boots will not for any logical or earned reasons That might We might have skipped past um the the t-1000 driving off.  He's he's what he's talking about. I think is his escape from this scene He's saying like You'll be able to escape him because he's taken this so literally Like death saying like no one escaped me yet He's like and he's gonna escape you here because you know, it won't be logical But movies got a movie when as we talked about in the wins one It's pretty clear death wants him to escape this room So, yeah, I think that's he's misunderstood that there and that's embarrassing and it's a negative one Yep, do you think it has anything to do with him quote unquote escaping death at the end of the film I feel like I think I think it is I think it's like molla said that he has erroneously mistaken Puss escaping in this scene as like plot armor for him. Yeah, he's main characters So he'll escape but he doesn't realize that wolf the wolf like death is deliberately allowing him To get away here. Yes person boots will not for any logical or earned reasons, but because movie it's got a movie I yeah, see and not for any logical or earned reasons. It's like well It is logical.  Yeah Now the fear The only way nothing nothing. Yeah, it's possible for the moon. Wow He decided he didn't want to give himself some wins there for uh For for him getting cut damn interesting I don't wins I guess negative sins, you know, you know Joking reference to moonfall so says zero. I think yeah Science to Halle Berry and Patrick Wilson again. It's a funeral So it must be raining even if that funeral is for your cosplay cliche Zero oh, there's no there's nothing there. It's just yeah, it could be raining. So yeah, zero rain. It's real It happens. It rains. It does rain Who was known to cross the line by many names? They let you whisperer.  You guys just carry on Zero His voice made people lactate Oh True or you just get away with milk, man. You had a way with milk even if they were men Tell me how a cat would make that pee stick or I refuse to believe it happened Uh, you break the stick but not all the way and bend it and then you break the stick and not all the way and Bend it And then you rest the bottom bit on the notch of the Branch it yeah, I think this is area because he's not said it's impossible. He said he wanted to see it That's all yeah, that's fine. Yeah, you can want to see it Don't you have department people? There are no cats here Oh, cool. We're headed into crazy cat lady territory I'm gonna wait to see the fresh ways this stereotype is approached for maximum laughter Well, they do approach it in a way that unless it's a good deal of lofta. So, you know You mean it's just no other type of sin zero, I guess Zero zero. He's like, I can't wait to see whatever I Scolding a cat for using a human toilet instead of using him to make yourself millions of selling the movie rights to pickles The cat who can pee standing up these one Zero She's not interested in that at all. So yeah, if I was to take that seriously like But like yeah, I'd rather go. It's just a joke. Is it maybe a one? I mean, I again, he phrased it stupidly, but like Why is she punishing the cat the cat from pissing in the toilet because surely that's better than it using a little She's not all there and she thinks the cat shouldn't be using the human toilet Like I guess so. Yeah, we do see a few times that she's a yeah Also, that's where she goes and yeah, she's cooked in this like nope. That's not for you.  Are you trying to get caught? It's a joke zero. Yeah, whatever moving through the movie mostly with with just nothing commentary because He knows it's good So he knows that he has to make jokes to pad out the time instead of Making all these really shit points, you know about how the film is bad I'm a talking cat We'll be never fully explores the existential and ethical questions involved in a universe where only some animals display sapience Nor does it have to that's our world nor yeah Well, no, he says you're a talking cat as if to say that that's unusual which is that's apparently that's a thing in this universe And that's fine We don't need the film to go over what toy story doesn't have to address a lot of things and it doesn't Well until they introduce that stupid Yeah, that's all about toy story toy story All the questions about the nature of toy consciousness That's right.  I don't make the rules. That's just how it is We can even talk about the same guy. He's saying that that's it's a bad thing that the film doesn't do it Like that that feels like a real one. You know what I mean? Sometimes you can tell when he's being Let me hear it. I mean, that's just a statement of fact. I mean, it's nothing there really But he's saying it's bad that he's saying that it's it's there's something wrong with the film that it doesn't explore The ethical questions of a universe We need more than that for him to be saying it's a negative to the film. This to me feels like a statement of fact Yeah Is this I I don't know it could be a peep or sus or something. He already has a sus He doesn't say that it should do that. He just criticizes statement of fact. What he said is true It never does. Yeah, but it's nothing. So by giving it a sin. Is that the implication that it should do that my Well, we already went over this the sin counter is more so like Relevance of the point is complete because we don't We don't count the jokes as negative one When we probably should if if we're going by the logic that he sins the movie and it has to be an accurate sin That's fair. Yeah. All right. Yeah Distential and ethical questions involved in a universe where only some animals display sapience We can eat and talk at the same time had he said and that makes the film worse I've been like, oh, well negative one Eating and talking at the same time. It's over. I mean good job, but it's just a joke. Yeah Oh Why were my belly? That fake loft kills me every time Yeah, like guys, we got it. You guys need to practice your fake laughs. Did you know that you can I don't know like you could have I don't get better fake laughs practice here if he's a textbook comic relief sidekick in an animated movie I love burrito and i'm taking a sit off zero not a textbook comic relief sidekick That's how he appears at the beginning, but that's not what he ends up doing Yeah, he's not textbook Maybe at this point he at this point if he's just complimenting him for the way that he's been portrayed so far You could argue I guess that that would be somewhat accurate, but I still don't think it's worth anything Yeah, I it's another zero. It's Yeah, but also textbook comic relief sidekick in an animated movie cliche So I guess I do care I think that's minus one because he isn't that I guess they're just he's just appealing to the notion of well, he's funny and he's he's along for the ride I was actually gonna say what what do you mean by virtue of his existence He's he's he's like integral to the plot. He's not he is saying that he's a textbook comic relief And it's like yeah, he's not textbook and he's more than a comic. He's more than just comic relief Yeah, I think he's I think sins is just straight up wrong here. I think that's why he might have fucked up here by saying that I think there's something to it I don't know What rules we go with in terms of his assessment of Him at the time or him as a whole Uh, I don't know how much it could be at a time You know because he's saying he loves him and it's like well, you've just met him Well, he was literally citing the the clip of him rubbing the belly is like I already love this character like that That was enough. Yeah, sure. Yeah Hmm, this could be a sus, you know Which would just make it negative anyway If you've known him if you're five seconds and you're saying he's textbook then you're jumping the gun Yeah, I think this is a sus. It has to be at least a sus All right, which means he gets negative too because he has a sus Wait, he's he's down to negative two sus. Oh, I see. Yeah. Yeah. He gets another one. Yep. All right Next book comic relief sidekick in an animated movie cliche So I guess I do care sleeping with as many cats on top of you and still having lungs that are fully functional I'm no doctor, but I'm still positive. That is not possible. She is sitting upright Cats aren't heavy Cats are not heavy and She is sitting upright Also, I can't remember how big her cans are Yeah, I don't know what to do with this one. Um, it's it's not a like I He's he's actually saying that this is not possible, but I'm pretty sure it's possible. Yeah Yeah It's not that many cats on on top of her. Oh people in Chastain. He's talking about allergies, but what if she has none? I mean, you think if she has none considering that she doesn't have any Yeah, the cats don't have to be on top of her for her to be suffering if she's allergic to cats It's gotta be the weight on her chest. That's gotta be what he's allergic to cats I think it should be using all the time always. Yes Well, yeah, I mean, it's it's a joke. We like that out inaccurate, but you know I like how it's just like well, it's a joke. Okay, but it could be a joke that has inaccuracies baked into it It's just being a zero. It's just like Yeah, yeah Okay, but I'm still positive that is not possible Does the growing beard on puss mean that the rest of the cats are shaving every day? I am so very confused about the ramifications of feline facial hair Wow, I think that's uh accurate Yeah, yeah that that one was one that came up during the metal forge on the uh thing So it's uh, does he have a gets a point for that? I think so Nick's All right, okay Neeks one in I smell like comeback Who views at least 19% cats using the bathroom and that is 57% more than I am comfortable with also zero So mama luna is smart enough to have a trough for feeding but couldn't swing for more than one litter box I don't know how much cats shit. So I guess it works out. There's a cue. So we'll certainly see one Yeah, that was a cue. Remember where that guy was that other cat was staring Do not look in the eye when I'm pooping Yeah, she probably stands to get more than one I think that's one when there's like a hundred cats. So I guess he gets one I'm like, yeah, that's fair If I was one little than I would Yeah, I would have more than one litter box for all these Someone said she's old. Please tell me a meaning Please tell me There's no way this bear created this perfect wolf shadow That's not why that shadow was seen. That's that's puss. That's his ptsd. Essentially Seems like a lot actually sees the nose the nose as a bear's nose This isn't a joke by the way That's not a joke. Wow. He's throwing a joke there Well, the thing about whether or not it's a joke is often like he's trying to amuse but he's also pointing things like when Whenever someone feels amused it's like it's a joke. Well, that's not I don't care It's like there's no way this bear created this perfect wolf shadow. It's like it didn't that's not always supposed to grab from that So you're wrong Yes, because for as much as we have made points about the cinema wins trick There is the cinema sins trick, which is oh, it's a meme. Oh, I'm just joking Oh, that was deliberately inaccurate And so that is puss hallucinating this happens to me.   Yeah Yeah, like cognitive distortions are not just exclusive to really pull on hallucinations They can take all sorts of extremes. I'm in both visual emotional, you know, auditory, etc. Etc. And they have what I'm saying. It doesn't have to be a hallucination straight up, but um As far as I'm concerned, yeah, that's missing. He's missed the point of that So does he negative one? I would say I think a negative one for that one. Yeah carry on Remember he sees um He sees death in the trees at one point later on Yep, he does see him in a variety of things. Yeah Well, I think Can we switch over to following mama luna then because I'm way more interested in the piano stuffing story than anything I've seen in this movie so far It's negative negative one Well, zero Sorry, my friends, that's a zero. He just said he's not interested It's It's a line, but it's a zero Or or may I nudge it in favor of a people watch yourself. No, no, there's nothing inaccurate.   I'm not doing that one. I quite like I love this. I'm learning That one's pretty good rags.  Yeah, pepo is is pepe's son as far as I'm concerned canonically But you can tell the difference between uh, the the Hong is a pepo pepe is the bigger frog That's people They're so they're such versatile such a versatile cast of characters. Love them Brilliant. It does make me wish for custom emojis on every platform known to man Because I feel so limited when I return to regular text messaging. I really do They capture so much with so little That's a good water That one made everyone Yeah That one I like I prefer this version Sorry, anyway backs I'm sure there are certain things giant barely flexible clawed appendages are good for playing the piano this well is not one of them He's that good. He's uh, isn't he and and yeah, and it's possible because of the claws, right? He's just he's dexterous I guess it's the idea that like in terms of actually making Yeah, the problem is that he he grabs things in the movies So well, and if you go to the place of like, well, I don't think any bear I know could do it It's like, yeah, you don't know any talking cat either. So he's a magical he's a magical bear Yeah, I think the film gets to get away with this one If we're gonna be extremely autistic Which we have been already then the size of the bear's fingers means that he wouldn't be able to key Notes that were too close together Ah, but I'm going to challenge you on that because the tip of the claw would still be quite thin Yes, but if the claws are like two inches apart from each other It would be twisty fingers Because he can angle his paws in such a way that the convergence point of the ends of the claws meet close to each other I think that it is Because at this point now we've got to open the can of words of how does how does puss grab a sword Well, because his he doesn't even have paws. He has like hands Yeah, they have like hands in this. Yeah, they have like he has paws that are also hands though They do the fun cartoon thing where sometimes they do. Yeah Do we have a cartoon biologist on board? Well, I would say I believe that he can play the piano because I And we see his fingers moving around Barely flexible claw appendages are good. They're not barely flexible. It's not very flexible That's what I mean And the way he freight said I'm willing to give him zero because he said The way he says is I'm I'm sure that they're good for a lot of things But I don't but plenty has not one of them which technically true but not necessarily true for this creature Piano as well is not one of them date. No, no, no You see the real criticism here would be that without any friction on the piano keys in your claws It would be very difficult for you to play the piano, right?  He's had plenty of practice If he was playing the guitar if his claws well because uh bear claws are not as sharp as uh cat claws Well, wait, am I am I totally right taking on that? Isn't that because they're retractable that cat claws End up being really sharp A bear claws are always kind of what they are Big and my things. Yeah, except for cheetahs. They don't have retractable claws Yeah, because they're designed entirely for speed In fact, they are so designed for speed that they don't see humans as viable prey So they're actually either scared of humans or they're really friendly around humans And there's no recorded deaths to cheetahs in the wild which is well insane as we know from a previous efap cheetahs form social groups like lions do Meaning because we we talked about this. I think it was either on a ketchup or on a previous event. I think it was a ketchup Well, there you go. Nobody nobody knows Just a little uh, just uh, dropping that there something to come. Oh boy. How exciting You got to watch the super chat ketchups for all of the lore those that's good stuff They absolutely do. Hey, you got to watch them. Yep. The nose never lies That grave would take one of the bears about three seconds to dig up. Why wouldn't they check it? It's a grave show some respect Well, so he's You got her saying she's like in disbelief that he's dead And so he's saying why don't you just take like a couple pause at it and discover if there's a body there or not Which um, I'm not sure what I think about that. I want to say that's a point They trust baby's nose Yeah, you said my nose is like me. I think I think yeah I think that's good enough.   That's the thing. They trust baby's nose. These are villains. Why would they respect a grave? We talked about how they're not villains We talked about how they're not villains That's a sin on you.  Also, some people are appealing to the fact that they're bears and that bears in real life Okay, just like what the they're character They're literally golden in the three mama bear being like concerned about the well-being emotionally of her human daughter And you're like, but they're bears True sins wins they're bears Wait, so hold on are they I forget is their objective at this point to find puss in boots and bring him to the higher They want to hire him for the job. Yeah But they've already got kitty. They've already hired her. No, they tried to hire her. She said that she was busy on a retreat or whatever That's why they won't post Okay, yeah, okay Baby says he can do the job and then we see what that looks like Um, that grave would take one of the bears about three seconds to go So why wouldn't they check it does that does that just a zero then because he's asking a question This is uh, yeah He's not wrong about three seconds to dig up the question mark. He's asking why oh the question Yeah, because the implication is Why wouldn't they check it? No, why wouldn't you do this thing? It's like well the implication is you should have done that thing Or you must present a reason why you didn't do that thing But at the same time digging up the grave which they might not want to do when they've already It's already they already. Yeah. He said yeah, he's here Because my my nose and I know and also it's got the big logo above it as well. So, you know Yeah, I think I'm okay with the zero. I'm okay with the zero as well Why wouldn't they check it no outfit that has been underground soaking up water for this long would look this good Especially that feather. That's correct Yeah, that's the correct for the feather. Yeah, that's that's accurate. Yep. Okay, fine You win this rocket, but Ugh, someone's smoking weed downstairs. What am I correct and saying he's back to zero? He is yes, correct. He's at zero right now Oh my god, he's back to square one and he's gonna fight wins. He's got to get to 11 I'm starting to think it's not possible No, not at this rate I think that that He's gotta if he has a really good stretch And then he follows it up with a really good Like final thing which I don't think he normally does No, he doesn't do that. That's a cinema. That's a cinema. Uh, it ain't impossible, but it doesn't look good He's on zero after 46. I don't think he has a hope Higher than I thought he'd have to see like a clump of post shower armpit hair at best Puss is climbing this water wheel as if that's a sneaky way in but this is just terrible castle design Anyone could use that to easily scale your gates. They don't even have to be a self-obsessed non-existent zoro cat Wait, what was that? What do you say? He's just saying that the water wheel setup means that people can very easily break into your castle Oh, okay I feel like it's easier for puss than it would be for a regular person though Does that take away from how he's correct on? Uh, yeah, because you can use it to get up there, which means that it kind of negates the the purpose of the wall Because if it wasn't there then how would puss have gotten up there, you know I mean, I'm sure you could have found a way or they would have Oh for sure, but his main point here seems to be this is terrible castle design Yeah, which I'd say in terms of security. It ain't great. So I yeah, he probably gets a point there Yeah, it's not a it's not a castle Well, that's I would say that's fine that he's he's fortress. Whatever this is. It's clearly got like barbed wire and stuff Yeah, it's a it's a weakness in your security. Yeah Many many of these have a certain sort of Expression attached to them of like, yeah, all right. You get a point. Oh, no. No. Yeah You get a point. Okay. You get it But you can't say yeah, but you're right. It's terrible I think shad might have a blow of gas.  Maybe I don't know. I don't know how familiar Yeah, definitely possible. Yeah, maybe We're not console experts here on uh, on any channel, right? Yeah, that's fair. Yeah, it's all right. I don't even have to be a self-obsessed non-existent zoro cat Holy s***, those pies are still steaming right out of the oven. How is horn are not melted as plumb thumb plumb off? This will be What's that? He's just saying the pies are very very hot. So how does that not hurt? You might have a callus at this point Yeah, I mean it's Perfect. It's a purple thumb. His thumb is permanently purple. So, you know, extremely high pain threshold. It's possible Well, also like I think I think it's reasonable to assume a callus and under the purple There's like hardened skin from the like maybe he's burnt it again and again and again and that's just that Well, yeah, he's been doing this since he was a kid. Some people highlight magic thumb I sure I feel like it works whether or not it's magic Would just be a mutation on birth. You don't really need magic for that one a bit of a nothing burger that Is that nothing or negative one? I think it's nothing. I think it's reasonable that at this point. He's certainly used to it Well, well, that's that's the thing negative one in it. Not zero. I would be negative. He's saying it's a fault. Okay Yeah, negative one. Yeah Yeah. All right, carry on. Oh, Sydney How his horn are not melted his plum thumb plum off This movie is being super flippant with its wanted posters Are all of these characters really wanted by the police and if so How terrible is the storyland police force that they can't catch any of them. They're not even trying to remain hidden That's true for jack, but jack is I if it's an in-universe wanted poster I think there's a point because he runs a massive pie enterprise and he's there Is he wanted in the location But well, so the problem is the way the wanted posters are presented. Are they abstract and not necessarily in universe? Because pusses was And peritos was well peritos. We only see Sort of without context during it. Yeah, we only see that like on a sign somewhere. So but it's still in the world It so so is jacked by that logic. Yeah, I'd say the peritos and jacks I mean like no, I think peritos like it took it looked like it was in an actual environment in the world The jacks look I don't think that makes any difference Like it because it could still be out of universe and also be in like an environment Could it also just be a different jurisdiction for wanted posters and stuff? I still feel like because because peritos was in a in an environment That that seemed real to the world and it was nailed to the environment. So it was physically in that environment The thing is the more I'm thinking about it.  They would have filled out the bottom tabs It might just be like a little abstract joke to represent his Hence my assumption that or his they're all abstract except pusses or at least we could interpret to the jack Real because everyone knows him and the the guy at the beginning was like, uh get boots and boots Well puts this is a real one because we see it In reality death death Yeah, I cut away That's the only one that's interacted with in story like directly as far as I remember Yes, I think so Is it possible that like the wanted poster is real in universe and that there is a bounty on jack's head or whatever But he's just so powerful that no one has even tried to go near to an extent that could that could work too Because this world is different in a lot of ways Might be that He's wanted. Yeah, like well wanted in the town. I think there are police Does far far away have a police force of some kind. They have sex. Well. Yeah, we saw them on nights Showing everything. Oh Yeah, I was gonna say that Uh, this is hard to say police force Hmm Maybe they're just more localized like the guards listening to the the baron at the beginning They're like the police of that town And they answer to him. So I assume every town has its own So are we settling with anything here?  Yeah, we might be in a position We just don't have enough information to well, they even say, you know Yeah, this even says like this is what happens when you cross jack corner when the tickets turn to Yeah, exactly, which I guess leaves me in a place of like Neutral on this one confused pretty much. It's like a question that I kind of understand But at the same time you don't really have that much information to conclude Anyway, other than sure, maybe he's wanted but also he's still out because that's possible And he's pretty powerful So and there's also like government There are like organizations like the cartel in real life where they've got like such power within the region that they are So they're technically wanted but the police can't actually do much to stop them. So Shoe abilities there. That's what I was thinking. Yeah Yeah, so I'm not even trying to remain hidden Check it out. I'm logging on a magic carpet using a magic carpet as an actual carpet also Zero Well, should it technically be a magic rug? Where's the number for the magical item complaint department because I've got words What's the difference between a rug and a cut well, there probably is a difference. I guess Carpet well, he's he's using it for the basis of his coming All right Rugs tend to be smaller than the room square footage by a lot or a little and are not affixed to the floor That's true Like if a if a room is carpeted and then you walk in and it's all wood and there's a rug in it You'd be like, wait, you said well, wait carpeted. Do they say Uh, did they say carpet in this film or is he just going off the fact that it's the magic carpet? Oh, she does say Uh They have different like if I if I walk into a room that had a rug And you had told me it was a carpet room if it was a carpet Then I would be like I've been bamboozled And yeah, I get I get it the the observation of just I think in all of our heads we don't um associate Because carpet you think of it's it's the flooring for the whole room rug. Yeah, it's like attached to the flooring in particular But I don't know the regional thing It could be It's just in the room But I think that Oh, I mean, is that different where where you're from our our rugs and carpets different because they are over here I'm having that moment where I'm like, wait, have I uh, does that happen? Or does it not the I think over here you can call what you guys would say is a rug a carpet And that's chill But then also the carpet on the full floor is the carpet, you know, I mean But like the context of the sentences never make it confusing when you say like um, you move the carpet over there Nobody's thinking move the whole rooms flooring. You know what I mean But people I get yeah, but it's a matter of like would you even say move the carpet because it's almost like a A nonsensical request to begin with what I'm what I'm saying is yes And the it's it's but even though we have the option for a word that would be have more clarity That is just something that is said over here. Uh, at least Hmm. Yeah, my understanding is like all rugs are carpets for normal carpets are rugs Oh, yeah, I understand the difference and the value of the words. I'm just saying that I think uh, least in the wales A lot of people refer to what you would call rugs as carpets All right. Yeah, this is a bit of a carpet here Now, I don't know if this changes anything but in Aladdin Jeannie does look at the viewer and say look at me. I'm talking to a rug That's so true, but then it is also referred to as the magic carpet. So does that mean that it is It's just interchangeable interchangeable or was it just a a an amusing yet not accurate joke that jeannie made This is mega autism It's what people are here for but that is what we do. We do have a reputation to keep um Exactly. Okay. Um Because his his comment here his sin relies on it being one and not the other um Because he's not asking would it be a rug or a carpet? He's saying shouldn't it be this so Does that really get the point? The nails are tripping hazards, but uh Logging on a magic carpet using a magic carpet as an actual carpet Also, should it technically be a magic rug? Where's the number for the magical item complaint department? Because Shouldn't it be well, basically It is a rug I think I think it's a plus one. I guess I think I think I'm leaning that way Given that what's amusing is someone could now roll out no one says a rug room. They said carpeted room What's funny is someone could roll out the hole. It's a joke. So It's nothing or something probably like well, but but what he's saying here is true What i'm trying to say is that we we treat we treat the jokes equally on both criticism and praise Yeah, if if the joke was shouldn't it be a beehive? We'd be like what no, no, it shouldn't be a beehive Why would you even say that? Yeah wrong so Are we relying on what it's referred to as in Aladdin to decide on whether or not this is accurate I just throwing that out there and wherever it lands in land Well, maybe shall we shall we call it a people glad? people It would be art. Yeah, I'm fine with that. I think it's reasonable comment. I'm inclined to agree with it Okay. Yeah I people glad I'm I'm okay with that. All right All right people glad speak now or forever. Hold your peace too late. No back That worked 2023 really was the year of Pinocchio, huh? If it weren't for Guillermo del Toro, this five seconds would have been the best Pinocchio movie of the year also What do you mean? Oh, why oh if it wasn't for this five seconds What is it saying that if this didn't exist? Why why sorry? I'm confused Okay, I can explain it. I don't know why this is tough He's saying that posting boots to last wish is better than Guillermo del Toro's Pinocchio And that they both count as Pinocchio movies because Pinocchio appears in both of them Oh, okay. I'm considering this a Pinocchio movie is I want to see the text again. I I I want to see the Oh, sorry, he's saying the the Guillermo del Toro is the best Yeah, he's appealing to the fact that the Disney I don't think that's controversial No, he's saying no wait. Hold on. He's saying um He's saying that if Guillermo del Toro's Pinocchio didn't exist by default. This would be the best Pinocchio movie That's the other one. Yeah, crazy crazy one. Yeah. Well. Yeah, there's more than it. It's not just the disney one There was that weird badly animated as well. Yeah, that's what we're saying. Yeah. Oh in the disney one Yeah, I'm saying this five seconds Walked out two of them. Yeah, but this is still zero Yeah, yeah It's fun. It's a fun joke. Yeah For Pinocchio, huh? If it weren't for Guillermo del Toro this five seconds would have been the best Pinocchio movie of the year Also, if Pinocchio is singing about being a real boy while he clearly is not why isn't his nose growing? Maybe doesn't even know how to Pinocchio correctly That is true.    He doesn't say I'm a real boy. They say I'm a talking magical puppet What if you said I'm a real boy in Minecraft? I don't think that the singing subverts the magic because then you could just sing a lie and it wouldn't count Which I feel is uh, not gonna be how the rules work at all. I think it would be I think that that's the spirit Not the the literal words. Obviously. Yeah, like you Uh Is it obvious? Yeah, who's what if he didn't know what words meant? Well, that might be part of the curse Why would it so if he was to say I am a Glorf and then his nose grows. He goes.  He's not a dwarf. Are you trolling? So his nose would grow Because that's a lie, right? I don't know if you're fucking with me on it I I why If he said if he said I am a glorf You're saying that it I'm saying that in universe if glorf had a definition of a long Crocodile then I guess his nose grows, but he didn't even know the definition Obviously, he didn't even know if he was lying and lying requires intent I agree with metaphors. I now I agree with you there. This is a nature of how the curse works Do we know if that's how the curse works? Since it's expression of lie, I would assume so I don't I just can't imagine that he would well Do we have any examples to work with of who well things that Here's a question. So you decided to just sing a song That had no bearing on his life whatsoever and included statements of like, I don't know affection or Well, yeah, I'm like a young girl moving through a big city and I can't deal with all the pressure That I'll I'll I'll go with that. Yeah, given that the song is about him I think it should be his nose should be growing. Yeah, because Pinocchio knows that he's not a real boy Yeah, but it's a song. He's singing lyrics. He's performing. It's it's about himself. Yeah, but the song is about himself I don't buy that that would make a difference It's the magic public show though But then you could just make a the then you could just make a song about yourself that includes the lie and sing it Just avert the curse. Yes But what if real is not being defined as biological? But I think that the The nature of lying would still Subvert that being the if he was intentionally writing it just to lie then he's lying if he's singing a song written by Gepetto Then he's just singing a song and it's metaphorical in terms of he's a real boy in a metaphorical sense. Yeah, he's like blade runner I feel like he knows what he's doing. I think even if Gepetto wrote the song and he's doing it He's performing this and he knows he's not a real boy And I I think it's less likely that he wouldn't consider this some form of like he I think he knows that this one is Now I think that's a bridge too far Why the Pinocchio conspiracy deepens because he knows that he's not real he's choosing to sing it And he's using it like dancing and he's using it for personal gain He's got to sing this for the performance and then they paid for it I don't I don't think that's fair at all that it would be considered an intentionality of lying on on Pinocchio's part that He's performing in this as opposed to abstaining out of protest that he's not a real boy So he have to sing the real boy song knowing that he isn't a real boy but doing it anyway because This he's performing. This is a stage performance. I don't stand like Would you would equally apply it to any and all songs that have anything that could be interpreted as a lie No, no, but I think this one because it's specifically Like contextualized to this and him and what he's doing when he knows it isn't true Molo, I don't know if that's the I don't know if that it's under the same umbrella Is is there any difference in terms of intent as far as you're concerned between him singing this? I'm a real boy thing and him singing like I'm a Barbie girl or something. Is there any difference there the Significance of the distance between however relatable it would be for him I suppose but I don't know that it would undo the fact that this is something that he has to do Or at least we as far as we're away All right, let's see in the movie Pinocchio So he said I've got no strings to hold me down to make me fret or make me frown and that is true But that that is true and his nose doesn't grow So maybe that establishes says that's a truth and doesn't grow Is there let me look up the lyrics for the song and maybe that'll give us like, uh Pinocchio Song I don't know what it's called. I've got no strings. Okay.  There are no strings on me Hi ho the mario That's the only way to be I want the world to know nothing ever worries me Well, that's a lie.  So I have fun. I'm not tied up to anyone They've got strings, but you can see there are no strings on me. You have no strings your arms is free To love me. No, that's a dutch puppet french puppet russian puppet pinocchio. There are no strings on me All right. So yeah the nothing ever worries me No, it's I want the world to know nothing ever worries me Which actually changes the context Because knowledge is a justified true belief which a crowd could reasonably say that they know that They they know that nothing ever worries pinocchio and pinocchio wants them to know that So if pinocchio really wants the world to know nothing ever worries him Then technically that is not a deception So he's not lying. He wants everyone to know a lie I want the world seems like another subversion of the curse.  I don't know I don't know like Okay, so is he trying to convince the crowd that he is a real boy? I Think if we're back to the spirit and intentionality of his Current being then we have to assume whenever we see his nose not grow while performing That he is not trying to convince anybody of a lie. He's simply performing.  So I think in that sense. I disagree with cinema sins And his nose should not grow when he says it in this context There you go If he was lying to someone to try and convince them that he was a real boy Is someone like are you a puppet? He's like, no, no, no, no, no, I'm a real no because at the beginning of shrek He says I'm a real boy and his nose grows I can't wait to see this on the high level reference. Well, but that Right, that's not singing right? He says it But he was he was saying it But I don't think but I think the song would give because if he's using the song in this context to deceive Either well either way it's it's either way. It's a matter of the deception element the song has left the I think the song has sort of left the equation and we can just focus We don't have to broaden out to that point. It's just the deception of the message or not I think the performance does lend something to his well, that's why he's Yeah, that's why he's okay here. That's why here his nose wouldn't grow But earlier when he said the same thing, you know, I'm a real boy to the guard He was doing it in order to deceive something else however No, no, no, that's it. I think it's it. Yeah, I think sins is wrong Well, hold on it could have been in the cake we're going to go back to the first trick movie It could have been that he was saying that I'm not a puppet.  He can't that happens I don't want to crack open a huge conversation versus like obviously the definition of real boy is complicated That is true But what if he was knowing his per if he had a definition of real boy That didn't conform to what he understood everyone else to understand by that and he said it anyway Would that count as him being deceptive when he knows that even though he believes it to be true That other people would get a different impression based on what he said and he's counting on that Would that still count? You know what? We need to stop this We need to quit I think that cinemasins is incorrect here. I think we lack the full context to say his nose should be growing here Yes I'm happy to settle on that because there's so much about it. We don't know. Yes. Yeah, that's fair I think so would this be a negative one I think negative one is where we're settled at because He is making an affirmative statement when it should be taken in an agnostic position as to the position and length of Yeah, he said he's a direct criticism of the movie So Yeah, negative one. Yeah, he loses a point. All right I think we're that kind of alone. Where's he sitting? Is it easy easy? Is he on zero negative one? He's on negative one right now I just want to chat rags laid out his logic perfectly just to ignore it at the recollection of schreck As is most things in life. That's what schreck does. Schreck is life. Schreck has the answers No, schreck does things to you to your critical processes. It just Absorbs you also anybody saying it's a joke. You don't get that excuse here. No escape hatches. Sorry. They're all locked up Also, what we said was a joke Schreck cool reveal, but what's the scenario in which she's been in there this whole time? So she would have been trying to get it She got real close and then she had to you know hide in there because she ran out of time It got real clear like there's plenty of different specific ways it could happen And also just to settle a thing in chat real quick about him being a legit lie Um, I don't think that the nature of the of the curse is such that if he was to meet someone and say Oh, I'm over the moon to see you The idiom of him being over the moon Would make his nose grow because he wasn't actually in a position above the moon. Rax, you already said we should stop It's all right. It's all right. We got to stop. We got to stop back to case off us Rax does it depend on which moon? That well the moon I think would be referencing luna our moon, which is the moon I think that technically the name of the moon is the moon so Yeah, if you're on if you're on a planet and you only have one natural satellite and you call and you and you say the moon I think that unless you're specifically referring to a different moon, which I doubt he would be No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. This is madness. This is madness If he was on mars and he said i'm over the moon, it would be like it does not compute and he would explode or something Well, we haven't even talked about like the paradox of him saying which one so Wait, it's there are questions You can't be over the moon because there's no directionality in space I know it would it would be like you'd have to need some sort of a reference point And that would depend on panokio state of mind when he said that but a state of mind would obviously be that He's just using a common idiom to explain how happy he is, right? I'm over the rebel Listen, I I'm over the rebel moon.  All right. It's coming back. It's coming back for us Part two part two is coming back. That's different. That would be great. That is rebel mood rags Rebel mood pot two rebel moon The scar giver. Yes You arrive to the home. Oh the wolf is the scar giver to make her move This seems like uh, she didn't even want to come out yet. She had to come out because it was opened Yeah, because yeah because it was uh, yeah They tried to hire me. Uh, so that's negative one. I think right Um, I think sorry He's saying that like what scenario could possibly lead to this and why would she wait this long to jump out When I don't know that we have any reason to think That she didn't like she she wasn't I don't know what you're when you're inside that and you're getting Rumbling around you're hearing voices. It's hard to know exactly when you should jump out And it looks like she hung on for so long that it was until it got opened by someone else. It was locked as well From I don't know if you can unlock it from the outside inside. I don't know But even then you know while it's being held by two people because she doesn't have uh claws She has a knife, but I don't know if that would be good enough and she can't get her sword out in there I don't think That's true. Yeah. I think that might be a negative one. I think it is All right negative one carry on In fact, you could have it could have been a kind of cool observation You could say she might have been trapped in there because of the fact that she didn't have claws to lockpick Yes ago that makes you plan B There it is Wait, three of them have been in the same room as this conversation the whole time How have none of them seen or heard this inane ego battle that's been going on for all the some time Well, if you notice he said aha So that probably like up to that point. They were he was speaking You know, yeah lower or not much at all. It looked like he was searching for uh, Midas's hand Through a bunch of things so they may not have been any talking just like wait and then Search search, you know what I mean? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah Uh, is that another negative one? Oh god, I I didn't think I was aiming too high when I phrase it Let's have a little well. He said how none of them seen or heard this inane Ego battle has been going on for some time I assume that they're distracted talking to jack who's obviously a pretty compelling presence So, oh, sorry. He's asking how the people in the other side of the room haven't heard puss and Uh, yeah. Yeah. Well, I never even entertained that. I thought they were way too quiet to be heard Oh, yeah, I seem so too. Yeah, they were they're they're focused on each other Obviously big jack and all of this stuff Time out of none of them. Yeah, let me just hear them again in the cut scene part of it. That makes you plan B There it is wait three of them have been yeah, I think that's just it's just far enough away that they're busy enough And that the the just didn't alert them. I think that's fine Yeah fair enough and also we were a lot closer to their conversation as a viewer Yeah, those three were so it would be a lot quieter for them as well Um, but I'm almost at the point of saying it's a reasonable observation almost like don't want to take a point away for it Well, he does have a people glad Are you saying we take the people glad away? I'm saying it's if if you feel strong enough to take a point away, but not that strong enough we could Nullify it by taking away the people glad. I'm just saying that's an option I think it's nullification made a people suss that that's what would be given him It depends because ultimately giving him a by the introduction of the people suss in people glad system Is such that we are now given an extra metric between the numbers by which to By which by by which to value How much these you know points can be distributed for instance If it's barely a nudge then we can just take the people glad away But if it's a points worth of nudge, then we could say all right Let's flip it and turn that into a people suss Right, so you got some options here. So it really just depends on how you feel I'm gonna watch what he showed us again. Larry on which she's been in there this whole time Why would she wait until she arrived to the home of the person? And she has bad blood with to make her move. They tried to hire me two weeks ago. That makes you plan b Ha Wait, three of them because someone else said as well this the the two susses are facing them. I don't know if that counts as facing them Yeah, I don't I don't buy it. I think they're focused totally on jack and uh magical Especially when they're about to receive the biggest payment. They've likely had no whole lives Yep. Oh, yeah, the blinders are fairly on and firmly on at this point So are we removing people glad I'm okay with that. I'm fine with removing people glad I do however needs to use the loo So I'll be right back. You can carry on if you wish reject the people verse I mean, they could have framed it slightly differently and have the two sisters be like closer to him with their backs to The uh, it could be more at height for sure, which is why I'm I'm sort of inviting anyone to say it should be a zero If anyone feels that way I'm okay with just the the people The people are glad Just you know going home. All right. I don't really have strong feelings on it very well Room is this conversation the whole time? How have none of them seen or heard this inane ego battle that's been going on for all the some time Please mock me quietly says the guy whose feather is completely visible to anyone in the room Well sound is different than visual, but also just uh, I've That might even been a forgotten by him um I don't know if that's more so a joke Um, I mean, I guess it's an interesting observation and if somebody looked over they'd see the feather it's not like, um It's it would be a strange visual for sure, but um, yeah, you might you might just miss it by looking over Uh, what are we? This is says the guy whose feather is completely visible to anyone in the room. Does that Is that is that comes up as a character criticism of puss in that moment when really I think it's easy enough to forget that Detail of your costume when you're wearing that hat all the time Hmm Like are we saying that's what the criticism is that uh, but should be aware of the feather Yeah, because he's saying he's saying we need to be quiet while being very quote-unquote obvious because of the visually loud Yeah, he's being visibly loud. Yeah Well, um, uh, maybe maybe give him that one. I think that's a plus one Yeah Very well because also what sins is saying here is that the feather is visible not that the sisters should see it Which is which makes this point different to his previous one I am convinced Feather is completely visible to anyone in the room I'm sorry, but every one of those little pussians was dead long before she broke that glass Unless they somehow vacuumed a nurse out of that bottle Oh, she means because like she was moving it all around anyway Yes, taking a um I guess that I can't like like the the the absurdity that we're out of him Basically criticizing like all those little creatures that screamed for the joke That wouldn't be possible because they would have been dead already from him moving them around so This is like well, uh, I guess he's right What are those creatures have we seen them before? I don't know. Well, no clue in terms of are they even dead? They might be screaming. It doesn't mean they're dead. Maybe they I don't know But I mean I know he's saying they shouldn't be able to scream because they should be dead Yeah, I mean they're probably just people regular people but small so Yeah Apply when you were shrunk to that size. Do you have longer fall damage or something?  I think we could get stuck on this for half an hour I guess we don't know enough about their existence or their magic or their physics. It's um Is there room enough to say that they may very well have Not only survived the initial You know thinking around it, but screaming doesn't mean they've now died from that fall.  This is happening and I'm scared like obviously they would be It doesn't mean they're gonna die And so that's like a zero that or That would be I think zero Yeah We need a custom gpt just to figure this out Or to be negative one because he's assumed something that we don't have the context for I'm sorry, but every one of those little pussians was dead long before she broke that glass Unless they somehow vacuumed a nurse out of that bottle the best thief has won True Well, you missed the conversation rags. Oh, yeah, I just sat down I guess I did because I just sat down. What is uh, what was the conversation? Square cubed law. So you would have less mass and so you would take less damage Um from falling and stuff like that also beings. We don't have enough context for what exactly affects them in what ways Oh, yeah, it's the little pussians. Yeah bottle may well be another story the gulliver's travels That's not what I I don't know the context of this movie. I don't know that we could base it on another movie Uh, oh story whatever I I think he's Yeah, I think he's accurate. I don't think we have any they're they're not magical. They're just small. Um And they're specifically referred to as the little pussians Not just little people or pygmies or pixies. So I think it's reasonable for us to assume that they abide by Uh, the rules that the little pussians have in gulliver's travels Then you can't base goldilocks on another story. That's the thing we don't we we take what they establish is true In this if goldilocks did something in this that was at odds with something in her own story Then we would take this over her own story Yeah, but as far as we know it seems weird that they're Completely stuck to the ship inside of the bottle and she can wave it around and they don't They even if they even assuming that they're uninjured by it, you'd still see them bouncing around in there Um, oh, yeah, that that one's probably accurate because they would yeah, I think that's accurate They wouldn't be dead Now they fall out every one of those little pussians was dead long before she broke that glass unless they somehow vacuumed a Nersha out of that bottle It doesn't move at all. Yeah, I think it's uh Yeah, I think it's a point.  There would probably be some survivors however however I think I think the spirit of it Is not to be overly generous But I think the spirit of it is that they're completely stuck and fastened to the deck of the ship Which is strange, um in terms of does that not highlight there's something maybe about the bottle Yeah, I think is given that sins is trying to say that all of them should be dead And like without being pedantic, we can't know that all of them should be dead because we've got mythical species of of some things that we don't really know anything about we've got probably magic bottle And we've got inertia laws of if If there was a building that collapsed, right? And someone said everyone in there should be dead Like if they were amazed someone survived and they said everyone in there should be dead Like the spirit is like the I think the spirit is essentially there that so Yeah, but the problem is The it is really strange that the the ship and the people aren't moving at all until she smashes the bottle open Which instead of being treated? Which I think is the difference between almost good faith and bad faith interpretation We should probably take that as rule setting as opposed to contradictory Like for as long as the bottle was not opened. They were safe That could well be the case because we have magic bottle Well, I don't want to ship ship and it ships in a bottle or a thing So putting their little effusions in a ship and the bottle on a ship that would match their Many things that are a thing but then also like a twinge of magic And this is the magic place the magic room with all kinds of magic things I don't know that we can rule it out um I'm I'm If I saw the bottle I wouldn't I would not grab it and wave it around if I saw them inside. I think there would be No level of assumption that there must be something magical that would keep them safe if I did that That doesn't change anything so I don't Try to think is there any else is there anything else in this thing that he collects that Isn't magical Wait, he wants to control all magic So if everything else in this place is magical in nature Then the he wouldn't have no reason for collecting this a bunch of little effusions if there wasn't some magical element to it I suppose Because he wants to control magic So I think by that logic I could say it's inconclusive And he doesn't say I think that nudges me The he like leaves the window open for it potentially having an explanation. I don't know if that would include Some form of magic by saying vacuum denature out of the bottle, but um Because he's accounting for the fact that the the bottle is broken before we see What happens to them and that that could mean a lot So I I'm more than happy to settle on zero because we just have so Again, it's kind of a problem. I'll settle. Yeah, I think there I settle on zero I think I'm leaning towards this being a fine point, but I I'll settle on zero. There's too much going on Plus unless they somehow vacuumed a nurse out of that bottle the best thief has won premature celebration Zero I guess It's zero because yes, I mean it wasn't premature celebration But that's just uh describing what he did Taking the time to say this but not moving out of the way Yeah, she screwed up the But I don't know that it's enough to be a character flaw or anything. I'm not even sure if that's what he's saying I mean That's hence the problem Taking the time to say this but not moving out of the way Finally you need therapy accusing someone else of needing therapy as if it's wait, what are we doing for that point? Are we I think that we can't I don't think we can know It's so difficult that I just I'm getting for zero. I don't know if anyone else feels different I think zero. Yeah, because we're not sure we don't see your expression So we don't know if she's you know exasperated or like super curious or a bit terrified The thing I'd say is like I'm always He moves pretty fast It is a car wheeling cat with pies on his feet.  That's an image. Say this I mean, I'm leaning towards one for that because I think it is an accurate observation and I think that the character easily could have Well, that was part of my problem though. I don't even know that like He's one you could you could point this out as both a criticism of a character and that it's in line with the character I don't know yet. I don't know what he thinks There would have to yeah, because the way that I mean, she's obviously fast enough to do it. It's is it reasonable that she didn't do it well sin said that she Had the time to kind of stand there and go oh person boots. You're an idiot, but didn't move That is the criticism not the fact that she didn't move on its own I don't think that what I'm trying to point out is that he doesn't have the context of the criticism This is saying what happened No, well, I mean obviously the implication is that was stupid and um and bad writing That's what I don't know that we've been that fair to the to wins when he makes a statement We don't say like he's obviously saying that this is a compliment to the script that matches this or something We usually just say like no is too descriptive I feel like this one is way more apparent This is obviously saying what she did was stupid and that's bad writing It's implicit based on the fact that it's a sin, but I do see Or not sure there's a reason to move out of the way is obviously the point that he's making Like I said, you could contextualize this as in character because of the fact that she's so ready and willing to make fun of him And Yeah, I mean you could you could go down that angle, but like what this is a criticism that he's letting I don't think they That's what I'm saying each other I don't think that her saying that and not moving out of the way. I don't think those two things are in conflict She could do both Right, you're saying yeah, and then his criticism would be His criticism would be yeah, she should have moved. This was stupid and bad writing Yeah, but I still feel like that's that's way more explicit than what he said I I don't know about that. I feel like this is pretty okay. What I just said is just true Uh, yeah, I mean I've said more than he said but like I mean Like what what is the more likely read them what I've just said We don't usually go by likely I don't we didn't do this for wins um Remember every time I read into like what he was saying it was like, yeah, but that's not fair. You're not even say these words Is it? Yeah, that's true. Um Do we have to like how how far deep into it do we need to read like if this was uh the puss in boots was all Jack was standing there and pointing a gun at Kitty and she just kind of stood there and took it and that is all sins said Are we allowed are we allowed to should we sort of infer that I just want to apply the same Uh to to wins to be fair to wins and so what is missing here is him saying Taking the time to say this but not moving out of the way when she's characterized as being not only fast but observant and obviously Uh, there's all there's a high stakes situation. So there's no reason for it to like if that's how he did it all I probably give him even a point But the thing is I still think there are defenses of this happening But the fact is all he said is taking the time to say this but not moving out of the way It's like yep, that's what happened Uh, okay. Um all right, uh I guess it's all trying to figure out like how to apply the standard consistently In terms of you need to go further if you want to earn your uh criticism So what would that make? I feel like there's no insight this this is usually what we reward for Sure Yeah, I mean I'm okay with zero Yeah fair So do we knew nothing about that said I would say that yeah This is that that was the point that he's trying to make so why I would be critical of this myself is the way they portray It she stands there staring for too long. It just looks a little awkward I think I would have had it maybe face palm and then she looks up and looks shocked because she's she hasn't realized He's heading right for her, you know But like make it close to when she hits that sort of thing Operation this idiot taking the time to say this but not moving out of the way Finally you need therapy accusing someone else of needing therapy as if it's something we all wouldn't benefit from Well, but like it's it's like a thing you say to somebody when you think they need mental help Yeah, I guess it's a nothing. Yeah, it's just a mean observation so zero Yeah So I said at another point take it away. This is getting embarrassing Probably shouldn't take this too seriously The cinema wars is probably shouldn't be something that makes you uh, too upset So how can you say that when you have an argument about Pinocchio and the song and the nature of lies and stuff? Mean ranks were not upset. We were just talking We weren't I if anything I was I was just I was just saying you were taking it seriously. That's all Well, yeah, I was taking it seriously. I wanted to get to the bottom of this madness. I said too seriously Ah, I see. Oh not us if we do it. They're my definitions. It's not too serious slippery baller when I do it It's sufficiently serious, but when you do it, it's too serious Interesting. Well that that would apply But it would also apply if I had a standard that I feel I have adhered to and that that person had not But that have you considered slippery? That's that's you you're slipping sliding around Good for evasive action. I agree. We've got a peepo suss on you He's careless with your priceless collection and everyone knows you never take a Yeah, this is absolutely in character and he's implying it's negative Hmm Starting to doubt his seriousness as a collector Or is that Uh, maybe like he's saying like it is in character.  Why I'm doing it Yeah, I think the issue is yeah, the Yeah, am I am I am faring too much for positive by by suggesting that maybe he's saying He's not into it for the collection. He's into it for other character based reasons and that this is proof Because he doesn't take care of the collection. It's like well, you giving him too much credit I think that's what I was gonna say. I feel like that's too much credit The virtue of us having to think about interpreting what he's saying is almost like well Your video shouldn't have to do that Yeah, and that's not like there's an acknowledgement All of any of those aspects which would be the insightful stuff and the fact that he's um, he's in a rush Yep, and he's gotta go So do we do Ah, dammit. I don't know.  Oh I say negative one. I think negative one. Yeah negative one. I was about to say zero, but Like feel like this is negative one mean worthy to where it becomes a zero Yeah, I just yeah, I'm sick of having to like try and interpret What exactly he means in the context of the video in the sin system and to figure out basic stuff Like so is this a problem or not? Oh, wow Oh, if he's serious I just sort of flew in there if he's being serious then uh, then it would be a negative one because it means he's Made an inaccurate observation about the character It sounds like most of us were saying negative one though. So sounds like that's already got it. I think I don't think he Yeah, I don't think he was ambiguous in a like a meaningfully deep or insightful way Yeah Uh, so just because I did have to step away. What does that put his score at? Um, I've got him currently at minus two Okay, gotcha. Oh my god. He's got a long way to go to To steal victory back. He does. He does Down his seriousness as a collector. I'll get you my kitties and your little dog too Not subtitling your movie the wizard of pause reference. There you go rags. You got it He did he did get it. He did get it dark forest No one goes into the dark forest or it comes out I mean if no one goes in it's a pretty safe assumption that they won't be coming out No, it's true. No points No points Yeah, I think that's no or is it or yeah, I think it's a joke or is it is he trying to Is it yeah once again because it's like well, what's interesting is that If he had phrased this as it's really strange that puss says Um, no one comes out after it's agreed upon essentially that this is a place that no one can even reach Because it feels like a weird thing to say But then if he's joking Like he doesn't you know, I mean it's odd for him to say that I mean even assuming that it's like yeah, it's really weird that he would say that and pointless for him to say that After she said that is like is that The big problem here. Is that a is that a problem worthy? I mean if no one goes in it's a pretty safe assumption Well, wait wait wait wait I feel like I feel like they're much simpler readers that kitty believes that nobody ever goes there But then puss is like well, maybe they do but they never come out. So we never even know if people have gone in there True That's like the first read that I would have I still feel like people going to the dark forest. Do they never let anyone know they're going? Uh Yeah, there is that sure To be honest with you. I'm surprised nobody ever does mention that they're going It's like nobody needs to know I'll be fine I'm trying to figure out whether or not this is sort of just like something they wrote relatively quickly and Didn't you know it Uh Are we on inconclusive? I don't know I mean if no one goes in it's a pretty safe assumption that they won't be coming out. No, it's gone I I think that the friggy is right. I think that I think that the Person kitty are talking about two different hypothetical people going in or out Whereas what sins is doing is he's conflating the two and saying that the people who didn't go in also won't be coming out Which obviously doesn't make sense. So I think sins is misreading the scene Yeah, because yeah, that's kind of how I feel cool But I think it's a fair thing to but it's like a zero It's not like yeah dramatic error. It's just like a zero. It's zero. Yeah, I think it's a fair thing to bring up Fun, but it's not it's back the cold war. Wait, what?   I think that's a timely political reference. I don't I don't think we're in another We're not in a cold war Dog Steal alive. Why does post think perito can hear him now? Does puts and boots even know how to portal? Why would you they don't know what it is. They have no idea what this is. Why would you know what it is? Obviously you'd ask. Yeah I don't know on the other side. Yeah, it's still a point. You know what's funny So they just said no one goes there all comes out. So he obviously doesn't know I actually because I thought you might go in a different direction, which is where I would have gone Which is I'm not sure that was in character for puss Then he would kick burrito in assuming he might die. That doesn't seem right I guess what he saw that his arm had returned to him Yeah, but the fact that he said still alive It's like damn. Did you think there was a chance he could die? And he's still dead Unless he said it like somewhat somewhat like Sarcastically, I thought that was the angle he was going to go to not this which is like why wouldn't he just ask before jump? Yeah, that's what I'm thinking too.   I don't think that's how puss in boots works Like I just don't buy that he would you'd be like, yeah, it's fine for the dog to die Because I just don't really care about him because like that that doesn't feel right with the character at all Ah f*** you moomy there's nowhere you're getting that kind of volume without a hairdryer It's a visual gag.  True. I think haven't we not given him points for this before? Admitting that it's sad, but that it's true I know Wait, so do we now do we now have to ask could you get that kind of volume without a hairdryer? Is that what we have to ask? Could be static electricity. What about his eyes? Like can he actually is he making his eyes physically? Oh, well, we can get away with Fantasy creature with poofy fur Because he can do it with his eyes because I mean, you know Because it's something that's worth noting the way that it's presented in this film is far more cartoonish than in like track two Where he looks like a normal cat You don't like do you guys remember the visual when he does the eyes and track like he looks a lot more like real He's not it's not like his eyes are growing larger in proportion to his head, right? Yeah It's it's established as being something you can learn how to do. It's not just a it's not like a magical Property, it's it's something that you just cats can do it like have you ever rubbed a balloon Um against something and then hold it up to your hair Yeah Yeah, so it might just be static electricity. You might have just rubbed it the right way I don't know if this science checks out on that one Yeah, I would need to get a physicist in to double as someone who has I now I don't have like A bushy beard or anything because because I'm a dog But I would I know there's a guy And I know and he's got really long hair and you can't just like had it and it poofs That's not how it that's not hair hair works. No, no human hair works, but I assume most susceptible Oh Hmm Yeah, well he if he I if he can do it with his eyes is reasonable to say he can also exaggerate for cuteness his beard I wonder if fantasy creature lets him get away with this compared to something like the sword delay where it doesn't I Yeah, I think yes, I'll contain to an ability that he knows how to do and she does as well Which I Think is all right Treat it the same as the eyes because the sword thing involves Involves another character. Well, the sword thing involves breaking what we know to be true about the sword throughout all of the rest of his iterations As well, but meanwhile this doesn't seem to break anything from what I can gather Yeah, if anything it's just a better version of what he could already do It's a it's an it's an enhancement of his ability And I think something you get more autistic. This is less autistic than Pinocchio. This is less autistic. Let's be clear Plus Frito can't do it at first, but then he does it at the end and it it would A great peril to himself So you if you can go from not being able to do it to doing it I assume that if you you can go from doing it to doing it better It was earlier, but I think it checks out a real cat. He is a base. He is a cat so any Like action that relates him to a cat is something praiseworthy, but that he's a fantasy Well, what I'm saying is I think it's it's totally coherent to praise them for Matching actions that they've clearly paid attention to but then to also have things that move away from a real cat into fantasy He's not he is a cat, but also more Yeah, um, I am I thinking zero on this one Yeah, I am I think that checks out zero This idea of a map that transforms the path based on the user is clever and stunningly executed Am I taking another sin off? Is it possible a movie from the shrek universe is actually No, it's not enough He didn't say why it's good. He just said it's good. Is the possible a movie from the shrek universe is good Um, that's not that it's really weird to say that that's an interesting That is out of line That is out of line that actually means that he might be losing something here Does he think that shrek and shrek 2 are bad? There's it Out of principle, he should lose a point for that Just to ask the question I break in the rules for that He's he's got he's got some spice. Don't you want to break the rules a little bit?  I actually appreciate someone taking that stance that no one in their right mind would ever take in You know what? I guess you're right. Yeah What deranged is that? Yeah a little bit a little bit of deranged. Yeah, you're a little deranged So with that much self-confidence there is he's clearly derangement fair enough for the record He did not give any significant like insightful praise to why he just said it's cool. He said it's good It's not good enough Wins did more than that, but let's see if sins can catch up infinite sorrows Artex I don't even have a wish, but can I try it? So if the map gives you the path of whatever is in your heart, then wouldn't that also mean Whomever's path is selected would be the one to get the wish. Why? No, why would that mean that? Yeah, that's not in what no the way that the wish works that you if you're holding the map while you're there Yeah needs to hold the map in order to make the wish You could call it an exploit that they can use his world and then take the map off him right at the end and make the wish But that is how it works. That's how it works. So is that actually a negative? Because no, no, that's just that's just how it works. There's nothing there's no the Well, he says here the lack of rules given for this map is very frustrating. Yeah The rules are yeah that you need this to make the wish and the map Will change the world based on who last interacted with it. So what's the problem? Magic doesn't mean perfect. It doesn't mean no loopholes. It just means that Reality can reshape according to certain rules. Like there's what I'm saying. This isn't nothing He's making a step. This is just like incorrect. Yeah, that's correct How would they get to make a wish if they're using his path? It's like we see how it works by holding the map Because you need to hold the map at the end when you're there Yeah, there's no nothing consistent. So but he said there is Fair enough For kitty get to make a wish if they use perito's path the lack of rules given for this map is very frustrating What he should have said is that feels against the spirit of how this may or may not work But you know what that's how it works. So there you go Yeah Wait, is that putting characters on the map before they complete their journey through the sky sphincter? Well, no, they got added on because I've just gotten in I mean, yeah, I think he's actually saying traveling through the portal He's actually saying like they hadn't exited the portal fully Before having appeared on the map, which again, that's not inconsistent. That's just that's apparently how it works Is you saw on the map right before you come out of the bottle When you play a game, it says that you've joined while the countdown Character actually is in there. Yeah And plus like such and such has joined the squad and then that character shows up on the map We wouldn't even be able to do anything with this because In the dark forest, he's always got to say what's true, but he hasn't you know, there's no context or anything else He's just like, yeah, okay, zero then Flexitive slogans, you know, wait, is that negative one for him? Is that a minus? No, it's just zero because he doesn't contextualize it Fair enough. And uh, yeah, also this reminds me of what he could say here, which is the The baker's dozen man gets almost insta killed while she does not hear Even though she kills one of them You know, I think all you have to do is stop and smell the roses But how did Perito know this flower would lift him up to where puss and kitty are? First one, he sniffed just let him pass by and if Perito can use the flower So transport him around by simply I think he interpreted Like almost quote-unquote kneeling down or whatever you'd call this is laying down as the that option. He was right That's all you'd interpret there So how why are we assuming that he knew that it would do that? Yeah, that's what I'm saying is I don't think he knew it He just was was like I wonder if this works. Oh, it does cool Also to answer his question why continue to walk anywhere is it because stems do not have infinite length? Yeah Wait, so what are we looking at here? I mean It was like it was a fair question I guess that is was still in zero But then by saying why doesn't he use it to travel everywhere is like well Kitty are first one The stems seem to be bound by and if Perito didn't use the flower I don't know how much does he get away with just asking questions because like a lot of his That's like that's his full map for criticism Yeah, he's phrasing it as a question My comparison at least wins was like it's true if you do this with a holocaust you get banned, but he can yeah, so I'm just saying like Cinema sins formula for delivering criticisms is often in the form of a question Questions. Yeah, then results in a negative. So Like it results in sin The fact that he's saying do it the he's implying that the flowers should be able to take them all the way to the to the wish Yeah, the implication is this is bad writing and that's all That's the implication that's always couched in the whole like these types of questions I think that's I think that's a minus one which case I think that leads to negative because it's like you're making a claim That it's just like completely unfounded And if anything the final question like he expects these stems to Be an infinite length wherever he wants to go was like come on I mean, I'm fine with that. I'm fine taking a I'm fine taking a point away I think it's fair to be like just because he it seems to be his thing to ask these questions that have clear implications for what he's meaning with a story so Fine with giving it a negative one All right fair enough Willing it to do so why continue to walk anywhere?   What's your story? Is perito's story that he's a discount olop? I mean if he started singing about how much you love summer I would not frozen frozen. Yeah, that that is almost It's the caribou No, it's snowman Oh, okay. What's the caribou's name? I don't know. I don't I don't know shit about frozen I think yeah, I don't know The caribou is uh, Jesus Christ. Yeah, that's uh All right, if you if you type in frozen caribou, you it's a roller coaster for the image you get back Um, Sven his name is Sven. Oh, okay Wait, so what's the problem? All right, so this is just some meme again. Yes. It's like roll off zero. Oh, yeah Drop the hook out of this like this little rock Good thing for our heroes. These flowers were set to spin or there you go. You got a point. You got a point. You got a point Yep, it did Earlier kitty soft paws chopped like a half dozen of those things and they didn't so much a scratcher for it I judge you why sit on your shoulder and Actions and the quality of your character. I'm your conscience Jiminy Stewart's showing up here is hilarious But why does he have two pat legs instead of four? Still this scene is now the third best Well, isn't it obvious Like two works just fine. Why why not just that that seems to work just fine. Yeah Yeah That seems to work just fine That that's So what do we do with that? I'm saying why does he have four legs instead of two? No, why does the implication is he should have eight then that's wrong I feel like it's a minus is what he's saying I I don't know about that. I want to say by this. It's Oh, okay that far. No, that's what I'm saying if he is saying that he should have eight Then the that's a claim He's saying you should have four not eight I got four four, but I don't know I was thinking I was thinking of something else I guess I'm thinking yeah, like I'm not the math guy, you know, yeah, this is yeah, I'm fine with this Why does he have two pat legs instead of four? Still this scene is now the third best Pinocchio movie of the year Congrats. Why does this work? But the It's good. It does not a Pinocchio movie make Well, even still if his point was like it's a really good scene. So you could have said why that all right That is true Popping didn't I need to know why the magical regenerating flowers can only magically regenerate in specific ways Let me tell you about trolls He's kind of got a point. Um Should jack not have been stopped here forever with how fast but I guess we assume phoenix fire is an actual counter to these things So I could just or maybe burning something down Well, yeah burning something in general is just going to completely destroy it It's not the same as chopping the head off a hydra. If you if you set the hydra on fire It's gone. I don't know that we need any reference the hydra was because they're magical Like the under film shows us that's how this works. That's all we need This is fine. Yeah, uh, yeah, I'm fine with where the flowers work You could you could use a magical flame thrower to get rid of them instead of just chopping them up. Yeah Yeah, yeah, maybe just fire It matches the behavior of actual plants too. Is this nothing or is this like incorrect? Why does this work for the chopping didn't I mean, yeah, I want to keep drawing attention to it's always He always I need to know why the magical regenerating regenerating flowers can only magically regenerate in specific ways You don't because if you need to know it's weird that he's yeah It's weird. They said that for magic because it's like, well, you don't know how they magically regenerate already You just it just is and so equally it just isn't when they set on fire Yeah Choppy it didn't work Hmm. I think the other one it was nothing to regenerate I think there's a decent level of intuition here with real plants and the magic element and Saying that he needs to know why it works this way I don't even want to reference anything outside of it like when you chop a plant down it can regrow But if you burn it down it doesn't I just feel like I just think that we can just take the movie For what it's doing, which is phoenix fire on these magical plants seems to well. Yeah, that's the other thing as well This is phoenix fire.  So it's not really a problem, but what does he deserve for this zero? Yeah, zero is just negative Because he's in is he incorrect or is he just I don't know. Is he just probing wrong? I don't know how to It's always a probe and then yeah, and then that's the sin I think it's a zero because he's not asserting that the fire shouldn't work. He's he's wondering why it does But he's not Yeah, but is it being a zero about it? Because it's still It's still a sin Oh I don't know. I can go for a zero or whatever. Fine. We shall go for a zero. We'll rescue him Fine. You're lucky. Take it from me. Never trust anyone Well, that's amazing and also impossible pulling phone Well, we don't see exactly how what she does but what it is is that he doesn't seem to care and notice He's so like he's just staring and listening to her Like I mean plus she relies on it being an impressive thing Uh, so like we don't get a full 360 view of her stealing it from him We don't know exactly how she did it and we don't know if how easy it is to Like do it in right in front of him because of the fact that he's so distracted just by listening to her Yeah Um Oh, what are we doing with it? I mean it's it's another instance of cartoon physics Yeah, I just I don't know that it necessarily is cartoon physics because of the fact that he's such an aloof character Because yeah, it would be such that he would have to have his Arms moved so she could get it through the holes Well, also she manages to do it in like five seconds, which couldn't happen, but it like who cares nanoseconds, but yeah um You'd yeah, you'd Well, then is it a point or is it not? I I think this this definitely stretches how aloof you could be if your body has to be moved In order to remove this from you because well, so it has to go through what it reminds me of possibly Is Joe you guys have seen the videos where people put their hand in a cup And they're like, oh frando help me get this cup off my hand I've got it stuck and then they like do some normal things the person is deliberately trying to keep the hand in They're just like pulling it. Okay.  I know the kind of thing you're I know the thing you're referring to But I think that the fact that this would be the subject's body And how much they would have to have it moved um And how he would be he's been kind of like watching her the whole time I think it's I think cinemasins is right This is too much. I'm inclined to believe he's right as well The way that I could envision this but it's not matching the timeline Would be like talking to someone and just sort of slowly taking their jumper off In a casual way and then pointing to it once they've done it being like I just stole your jumper You didn't even notice because you were talking to me There are people who do that with like other people's watches on stages and stuff where they like loosen it over time while distracting them But that's like the whole point is that that's a really subtle thing in order to move someone's Like both of their legs in order to get something off of them pull it over their head You know as it's being pulled over his head it literally blocks his eyes so It's a funny They're simping hard to make it exclusive. We're settling on it being a flaw. So Yeah I just you know, I think that I think it's it's a funny joke and I like it but it is a It is a it's quite a stretch to the point where I think that it would be You'd have to work harder to justify that. He's that oblivious Also sit a bit hard for the movie Well, we've given him valid sins on many things that people in chat have died watching us do I will say yeah, but this is correct So, yeah, I think this I think he gets a point for this We're giving it to him on a lot of things that we don't really care about But we have to acknowledge probably counts as flaws. So yeah, yeah, I think it's I think it's all right So impossible pulling foam out of non foamy water and then using a dagger as scissors to cut the beard off An animal that shouldn't grow a beard I don't even know why he's talking about that. You can use a blade to shave That part. Yeah, that part's wrong. You could obviously yeah, you could use a blade to shave. We have these they're called The like Razors razor blades. It's literally a thing Um The the foam from the water Acting as shaving cream What about that all we've got is it's a magical place. That's that's it. It's magic water. I mean, look, it's purple It's definitely and the manifest. I don't know if it's impossible the manifestation of this river is peritos So that is true And then I mean you shouldn't be able to grow a beard, I guess But we've already Yeah He doesn't get the double tip So, um zero then or zero is where I'm at. Yeah, zero. Yeah, I'm giving this a zero Yeah, sure. Yeah fair, but we can't be conclusive Shouldn't grow a beard.  Yeah So the bears would have just followed along the path that jack burned Um, you can say it's a very coincidental that they all get here at the same time. I guess. Yeah That's a bit of a I'm trying I suppose the bears wouldn't take long to recover and then they would have just followed jack It's not a huge stroke of luck. Yeah, it's not like a big coincidence. In fact, it kind of lines up It's I mean and it's inconvenient to the heroes. This is bad for them Well, that's why I switched it to coincidence because I assume that's what he would like to actually he's saying isn't it convenient Uh, that we all have everyone to end up for the drama of the film Yeah, sure Because Bremer he doesn't say he doesn't say it's convenient for the heroes that everyone arrived He just said it's convenient that everyone arrives because he's talking about just creating film now Yeah, well, it's convenient for I mean No, it depends on how you look at it. Well, arguably us it depends on what he would say It's convenient to the viewer because it's good for memes, but you know Like I said, it's sort of convenient for jack and it's sort of convenient for goldilocks and the three bears Because they both have the map here, but also another adversary here. So You know, it's a bit it's a boat.  We are and then they see like people getting killed by The flowers and maybe they stayed back a little bit Then he saw them burn it and move on and then they just followed like this is kind of what would happen, wouldn't it Yeah, yeah, which case the thing you would have to say is What are the odds of like jack finding them because goldilocks and three bears would be right behind them So like the timing isn't anything. It's just The jack found them. That's it. And is that possible? Yeah Like is that all right? That's yeah, exactly. So like shouldn't they then be behind them? It's like well, they just have to move around them any just if babies sense Can you picture what I'm saying?  Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, that's uh, um It's not that it's not so is it's I think it follows There's no reason to say that this is a coincidence really it's it's kind of what you should expect should happen next Hmm I'm thinking minus one because what what sins is saying is not that jack shouldn't have found them It's that jack and the bears shouldn't have arrived at the same time When I think it makes complete sense that they arrived at the same time. Yeah Agreed. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Uh-oh negative one. Oh Where are you at rags on this school? I'm at negative four I went negative three. I'm not sure if I don't know. We I think we just went from negative three to negative four Well, obviously I'm gonna say we just went from Look, we've we've been out of sync for a little bit. I think maybe I don't know Maybe um Flowers well, let's just succeed and see what happens with the river of relaxation Did it have an obstacle did the other groups just skip it somehow? Why would it have an obstacle the nature of this? Yeah, because remember the flowers aren't actually an obstacle It's just the way that you didn't have to the obstacle. You didn't even have to go down the river. There's gland Yeah Also, no one's touched the map since so it would stay there. It's not yeah Like it's it's almost as you spend it. It's inherently not an obstacle essentially compared to what the actual obstacles of this place can be Did the other groups just skip it somehow? If it was the hundred foot chasm of death, then like yeah, that might be an issue. So is that a negative one? I think well, this is all one. This is he hasn't done a win yet. So this is all in one Which would make it. Hmm. Well, what is up with the river of relaxation is nothing. Did it have an obstacle?  Did the other groups just I think the nature of these questions is like, how is it? How do they possibly get here? It's like, well, they just floated down the river Well, so did the other groups just skip it somehow the answer is no because there's nothing to skip which yeah It's not an obstacle. They are moving through the region. They are moving through that region That I got one Well, and they could have traveled down the river. There's no I mean, I don't even understand this at all Yeah, but it's just questions. That'