And welcome back to for the minions the weekly show where we try and update you on the progress of some of these Paragon successors out there. I am your host the one and only man goose joining me as always is big sexy Mandy Mal How you doing? I'm doing great. I am, you know big and sexy and I'm happy to introduce our guest host this week is Devil spawn devil spawn. Thank you so much for being with us. How are you? I'm doing fantastic. I really have loved your show for the minions So I was like I and since he announced That anyone could be a special guest. I was like, hey, why don't I you know try and be on the show? Yeah, that's exactly what we want. We want anybody and everybody is a show for the community. So Community in here. We need to get everybody's point of view here, right? Absolutely Why don't you listen to Mandy while she goes ahead Jump all over here Since you've seen the show, you know, the you know the the deal you tell us your favorite Paragon hero how you got started all that good stuff Well, so my friends like week one day one got into the game and then about a week later I was like I have to play this game all my friends are playing it. So I got in the game Really early. I was playing on legacy alpha legacy Then it changed We had the you know the orb drop And they got rid of the orb drop Monolith and all that stuff Favorite hero always has been steel. I really I've always loved the Initiating power of steel and a lot of people thought I couldn't play steel anymore after the after his Alts got reworked to smaller and then literally the first game I played as him I did a three-person alt to steal So and that was all game that was great And then in my competitive my little bit of competitive scene. I was ADC for One of hardwired's off teams. So Right on man. It's always good to see People with that level of experience where you actually played in competitive. You actually played in the PCL, right? Yeah, I did a one minor It was like there. It wasn't it was there one of their lower tier tournaments where everyone's not like Oh my gosh, we're the best players. It's like, you know, it's the lower tier people Right on a call the only experience I'll ever have with professional play is watching it Watching professional play is amazing.  You're not Yeah, but anyway, that's a let's let's move on to the news and updates We actually do have some news updates for you this week. Ah Big news coming out of ethereal They started uploading voice lines to their YouTube channel in preparation for Updating their website and all kinds of other stuff that's going on like we said last week A lot of stuff is coming together for ethereal and part of that is these voice lines that are getting uploaded They did a run Talos Marina and Noxus We've already seen a little bit of Noxus's lines, but um, we seen a lot more of them So let's go ahead. We're gonna pause full screen this and I'll select just a couple of the voice lines from each Fear hate they are all equals in the eyes of Mara I've seen all this happen before Some in dreams some in thoughts But it always ends the same Strike me down and I will rise again an endless cycle. I will endure to drive back the darkness Oops, I hope I didn't short anything out With water the power of light is multiplied be more careful Kalia. Yes, Talos water. Good.  They're really something I can get behind Where were you when my people were burning shield bearer? They they all deserved it.  All right guys. I hope you enjoyed those voice lines Interestingly enough those each myth in a theory will has over 200 voice lines So if they did every single voice line, it would be like Like half an hour video so they didn't want to do that They just selected certain ones for you guys. Also, there is they said that there's kind of spoilers in some of the voice lines So they didn't want to release all of that yet as you can see like they have Yeah, just having 90 seconds is insane for each person. So, yeah, right? That's 90 seconds more to the I think they did a good job to Setting the tone for what we can kind of expect these heroes to sound like and I really enjoyed the Interactions between the two like when they would say a voice line to another character I'm like, oh, it's gonna be so cool in game and like the lore behind it and the stories and that and that same thing with like a League for example league does really well with how the characters interact so we can Bring that kind of example into the game. Yeah Yeah, yeah, it's really cool. Um Hey, well, who's your favorite of all the voice lines Devils double spell? Probably Taylor's I really liked the mood. They were setting for him so I Really like him What about you made? Probably Marina she was just adorable And they haven't released their lore yet all of their lore wonder their website drops all of the Lord's gonna be there But I will tell you that Marina's voice lines match her lore a lot She's supposed to be kind of young curious and adventurous and I think they really captured that with her voice lines And that's that's a good theme for it They really captured the lore of each hero in these voice lines The lore in the appearance and everything like a run just being a edgelord badass And tell us being you know kind of good like a good brawny sort of dude and apparently he's kind of dumb Rita's voice lines water good In Another thing that happened with a theory all this week. They kind of had an impromptu Community corner Q&A session. I don't know what you want to call it. I started a voice chat party at their discord Oh, yeah Yeah, I just hopped in the voice chat and waited for somebody to show up and then I messaged no one I was like, hey man get in here Owen showed up and then Kai showed up and Noxus showed up and Tri-collar star showed up and then you know community members are coming in and it it turned into a bit of a community corner I picked a few of the questions and answers out here that I thought were interesting that I'll share on For the minions here. I'll do the whole thing in its own video If you look if you care to see all the questions that we got that got answered during that weird little session But they do plan Well, they said that they would like to do more of those So hopefully that does that is something that can happen in the future and you can hop into their discord and ask them Whatever you want because that's what they're that's exactly what they were doing Just taking questions from every anybody and everybody and the people that were too shy to talk We're just typing them out and they were still answering them. So that's cool. That's really cool As far as the questions go there was um, will there be multiple pre alpha packages available and will there be founder benefits? So, yes, we've talked about this before pre-alpha access They plan to have somewhere around $20 buy-in for their pre-alpha access But apparently that they're gonna have even more packs that you can get and upgrade So they didn't say, you know, what would be included in those packs. I mean I can assume skins and myths and yeah, whatever so It isn't just the $20 one you can get like a founders pack like a high tier founders pack and get Everything's for the game. So that's that's good to know. That's that's that's something I did not know. I was not aware of Any thoughts on the founders pack guys It's very cool Paragon did it. So I'm assuming that the others will follow suit I think league when the league was like brand new they did one too Yeah, it's it's a good marketing strategy for the way they built their game Full release of the game will still be free to play is just the the pre-alpha that's gonna be paid access Right. Yeah, I think Like devil spawn said it's a good marketing thing get get them kind of the People who are gonna be the most interested because obviously you have to be pretty interested to pay to play the game in the beginning Get them to get in there in that kind of alpha access and really Probably get really valuable feedback that way too. I would I would assume It's good server testing too to really see how their servers can handle that amount of players Do you have less players free? They talked about that as well They were saying that when the alpha does launch, you know, it'll only be up for me You know a few days or a week or something like that and then they'll bring it down for updates and If things go well, you know, they're playing 2000 slots for the pre-alpha, but if things go well They they may add more slots as time goes on So that's something that they're looking at and also depends on the popularity of the game If there are more than 2000 people that want to play I'm sure there are right And then another question I answered how will skins be distributed will more skins be made available for more popular myths We saw this a lot in Paragon Some heroes got skin after skin after awesome skin and the other ones like Devil spawn and I were talking about this earlier. Deckard kind of got left behind Right. You didn't have any transformative skins at all. They were all sort of recolors, but uh Their their answer was they will do their best not to leave anyone behind This is mainly coming from Noxus They're they're lower lead and they have personally experiencing what their favorite characters in games only ever received one skin And they don't want that to happen in ethereal and they also plan for each skin to be unique and not just a simple color change I believe that if you pay for a skin, it should be a true change to the characters up here and so I'm sure there will be color variances to the skins But if you pay for a skin you're getting that skin and all the colors that come with it You're not going to have to pay for colors. Oh, that's cool No, like loot box kind of you know gambling for different variants. Yeah, I did that Yeah, that was awesome when you I was like you got a variant color for a hero. You didn't play. It's like, oh, thanks Yeah, the only problem with that is when you got the variant Um, they took that thing out of it out of so you would get like more of the keys more of the You know, yeah the stuff you didn't want so That's another thing they addressed uh, no loot boxes in ethereal label They absolutely hate loot boxes. They will not have loot boxes in ethereal Um, let's see another another interesting one What has been happening with the fan submitted myth ideas if you guys didn't know in their discord They have a special tab if you have ideas for heroes for their game Then you go to the the myth ideas tab and submit your own ideas They said that while they do look at them they do check them out. They haven't been officially reviewed yet and um They will start looking more into it once the game is in beta and once the game is in beta They will be having a contest to pick one um and include the community in that It'll be like a community driven contest and Somebody will win and get their myth into the game But uh, do expect that they will contact you and that you will be working with them on that myth It's not just uh, you know drop it in there and walk away yet. You'll be expected to balance things So don't be trying to create some crazy overpowered myth drop it in there and expect to just Win and walk away and walk away from the game. They're gonna they're gonna hit you up I thought that was very cool. Very nice to see them doing. So cool. Yeah Mandy do you have any ideas for a myth? No, I'm definitely not creative enough I just uh, I don't know. Give me like a cowgirl. Here we go Um, I mean that actually brings out a good point you could create a Ash type myth from overwatch that has the mech type protector If you wanted to go that route And uh, let's see the last one we'll go over on the show tonight Well, they have more monster type myths instead of all humanoid That was a gripe a lot of people had about paragons everything everyone was sort of humanoid Except maybe against gorge But um, they said yes, nicolai and grognark are already examples of that nicolai being very very small Myth and grognark being very large and he's going to be quadrupedal He's going to walk around on all fours. So that's that's very cool to see because Um, you know, it's a fantasy game and we wanted we want fantasy creatures in that game to play with so We'll be getting them. Um, I'm a little interested to see how they Balance that like with nicolai being small it brings nightmares of no odd job and golden eye And also like hard to hit You have to like you have to make nicolai's Overall movements be probably a little faster If you want to yeah, I didn't think of that. Yeah Take some longer to get across Yeah You imagine walking to lane and nicolai's just steadily behind you getting further and further away and he's just waddling Oh poor nicolai Ron just comes along and steps on him Yeah, right So that's going to be it for ethereal unless you guys had any final thoughts or anything you wanted to discuss devil spawn I'm really excited for it. That's all I'm gonna say All right So let's move on now to omeda studios with predecessor. Um Kind of bad news for them. Uh patrick pony is leaving the team. He was their sound designer Um, it wasn't like a falling out or anything like that. There's no bad blood there He just he had a lot of stuff going on in life. Um, and A lot of these people aren't getting paid paid to devote so much of their life towards creating a game And it was just too much for for him. He had to move on and and do some other things in life. So um, it'd be It's sad to see patrick pony go but like I said, it's not bad blood or anything He's just leaving up his own accord And uh, they already kind of have somebody that they're training up to to fill his spot And uh, probably the the best news out of all this the the silver lining here Is patrick has already done all the sound design work that needs to be done for the alpha So there's no It's not going to slow the progress on their alpha release down with patrick leaving So, um, yeah any thoughts on that guys I like that the it's already done. So yeah, that's a good thing. Yeah Yeah, it's it's sad to see patrick go man.  It'll be uh, he really was.  Um, I don't know how I feel about this I don't know how the fan base is gonna feel about this either. A lot of people were um drawn to predecessor because it relied more on the um legacy style Not just map, but the artwork a lot of people enjoyed the legacy artwork I always thought the monolith assets looked cleaner and a little better But that may not necessarily be what you want like the legacy assets Weren't supposed to look clean. They're supposed to look a little rotten and decrepit and I thought that was kind of cool So I don't know. I don't know what what people will think of this. We'll um, we'll have to see Mandy, what do you think about monolith assets on a legacy map even though you never really played legacy? Yeah, I don't unfortunately have the experience on legacy. Um, I mean I got a taste of it from the alpha And I can definitely see the different I just like you said always thought monolith looked a little better And I never thought of it until you just said it that you know, maybe the purists are gonna be a little Aw man, you know, they they want just straight legacy. So we'll see it'll be interesting to see what the feedback gives and how omida deals with said feedback because they they are very responsive to uh The community however at the end of the day, you know, it's their vision and it's um, Whatever is kind of I guess Easiest for the game. I don't know if it's a ease a question of ease or just looks or you know Fringe is a genius. So if he has reasonings for it, I'm sure they're good ones And it'll be interesting to see how it turns out. I honestly don't care. I just want I just Just want to play I just want to play I Actually agree a lot with With you mongoose on the fact that monolith did look a little cleaner um, and I prefer raptors over black buff and how they looked so Um, I know the raptor was the like head person of the black buff But I like how it was three of them and they looked they looked a lot Yeah, I don't know what kind of assets that we're talking about too now that now that you say that All right, it was like yeah I'm assuming since we're talking fringe that it was actual map assets Oh, okay So I don't know we'll have to see We will have to see By the way, if I ever start like actually doing twitch ever I want my follower alert to be twitch saying a thank you. I mean fringe saying thank you for the following Nice, okay And speaking of twitch streams uh smoky did a stream Um about the development of the minion ai so that's pretty cool That's what we've been waiting on from them for a little while and uh, you know He brought up the game and he had the minions interacting in there. Um, they need to work Um, like they're they're they had to completely reprogram the minions to work with gas So right now the range minions aren't attacking anything and the the melee minions are attacking each other But they kind of get clumped up a little bit and look like they're humping each other or some what It's a bit of a clusterfuck in the middle, but uh At least they got him in there. They're they're they're following their path. They're going the right direction Um, that's just some minor tweaks and stuff and I think they will be good to go Um double spawn any any thoughts any final thoughts on a meta studios and predecessor? um Well, I'm most excited for them like paragon wise because it's a It's what I feel closer To being completed of the two paragon remakes Then core is so i'm excited for predecessor. I'm excited for all of them. So Right on mandy anything about your about your baby about your little baby predecessor Y'all know i'm excited for predecessor. I'm just Sitting here with all the patients in the world waiting on my baby Papa don't preach Moving on we had nothing for made about this week and nothing for phoenix rising I haven't I do talk to those guys a lot but but um once they have something substantial and concrete we can uh We'll highlight it on the show But until I have something that like I can if they say This is happening and I can show you that this is happening. That's when I'll show you. I'm not I'm not gonna Tell you when they talked about it. You know what I mean, but In any case if you want to learn anything else about any of these games, I'll have Uh, quite a few of their socials linked in the video description below including their discords Which is probably the best way to find out information about these games And uh, that's going to close it out for the news and updates. Let's move on to the poll results I hard fight on this one. I've been doing The uh, the most impactful ultimate sort of uh bracket and it came down this week It was calari versus severog and holy shit It ended up calari at 47 percent severog at 53 percent. It's by far the closest one we've had yet and uh Yeah, a lot of people had some very hard opinions on who they thought should be the victor here. Um This is one I didn't play much calari. I didn't play much severog. Um And both of their ultimates I felt were very impactful for the game I thought severogs had a lot of utility and could be used in a lot of different situations where it's Um, you know, it's talked again. I was talking to del spawn earlier and and calari's Was nice because you could split push one lane and still show up for a team fight And usually show up for that team fight by eliminating a member of the enemy team. So Man, I really don't know which one I I didn't vote. I can't vote in these and I'm glad I this is the first time I'm glad I could not vote because I could not decide between calari or severog for this one um devil spawn we were already talking about it a little bit go ahead and uh Let me know your thoughts here. Um, so I actually when I voted it was 48 52 for severog Uh, so it was very very close. I voted calari because I think calari is a little bit more impactful with the split pushing capability um But again, one of my best friends He was the primary jungler for hardwired. So he loved severog like severog was his main Um, so I can definitely see the colossal Blow there for severog.  Um, half of the half of our community is going to dislike you It's gonna okay.  I didn't vote Well, that means all of our community Yeah, that's probably true Yeah, no, this was one that I like I was like hovering and then I'd hover over the other and then I was like I'll come back to it later And then I just never did because it was way too hard It was hard for multiple reasons one because like you said goose I didn't play either of these characters much. So I don't have a personal like Attachment to one or I didn't get to experience that ultimate, uh Working in my favor Um, but man, this was just tough all around because if it's characters that I don't have experience with I'm like, okay. How messed up did I get by I said ultimate? And I got messed up by both of these. So it was really Really tough for me to decide like I said, I didn't end up, uh Voting and I think this was close. This was Deservedly so close because they were both, uh, excellent Uh Abilities so Really tough one Oh, well, it's uh going down in the books though. Severog wins. Are we moving on? I think next week is going to be Gideon and steel so So Severog will be going up against one of those two. Yeah, it's getting good. It's getting good This started out kind of a a boring poll, but it's starting to come to us so hard starting to come to a head It's it's getting fun With that being said, we're going to move on now to the highlight reel um, I hope you guys enjoy it this week and uh, like if you um If you want to submit your own highlights and you don't know how to get them uploaded or anything like that Just look at last weeks for the minions out at a small video at the end of the highlight reel that shows you how to, uh Upload your videos to google docs and then you can send them to me as a link, but um, yeah, enjoy the highlight reel Speaking of colossal blow we got quacy here on severog Notices that his murdoch is about to charge in here way deep on the enemy team by himself But he uh is getting there as fast as he can murdoch is about to get Wrecked the severog comes in with that colossal blow and saves murdoch from his own poor decisions nicely done by quacy The play doesn't have to be flashing to be good, right? Two teams squaring off here neither one really wants to over commit to this fight Blue team has their tower to fight underneath looks like they're going to get pushed back Maybe not bellica over stepped her bounds a little bit as well as wukong.  That's four members of the blue team down Gideon rotating in for a gank looks like he's going to try and cut them off at the pass They're going for the gold buff.  Let's take another look at that The glacial card charge comes in for vici escape followed by the smash grab from the purple buff grucks Oh, it's only a double kill, but this place still makes me pop a paragon boner Frickin amazing Okay, everybody. I hope you enjoyed the highlights this week But for now it's time for the topic for discussion what we're going to be discussing This week is our favorite heroes from an aesthetic perspective favorite heroes and skin and our least favorite heroes and skin so strictly by appearance not by like How much we like their character or how much you know, how good we thought they were this is just strictly Looks we're being very shallow this week and it's going to be fun You guys are probably going to hate on us a little bit But uh, let you know if you disagree with any of us. Let me know in the comments below. We'll discuss it And uh, just you know Try and try to keep it, uh, you know positive But anyway, let's move on and um, I'm going to use double spot as a sacrificial lamp All right Uh, are we doing let's uh, let's do let's do let's do favorite. Um, hero just base skin first base skin favorite hero, uh, probably um Probably aurora because I really liked her Kind of like half crystal half um Like full dress and it really showed off like I want like she's the ice Hero, so it really showed It showed what she was Before you even looked at the abilities Right. It was the zionic that that's actually the one that I Hicked as well. It just It was beautifully done like like I said that the the ice on the one side and just the dress And it has nothing to do with her side cheek. Although that was a bonus But a lot of her variants were very cool as well. So yeah, and just her her makeup is just very ice queenish and her white hair Just everything matched her kit and her character And everything looked absolutely gorgeous. I just I think yeah aurora for me as well Uh, who do you think Mandy? I really tried to go outside of Picking one of my favorite heroes that was to play but I can't do it. It's sparrow like it's just sparrow because She is what attracted me to the game her like literally I saw A snapchat my friend sent me a snapchat of her playing as sparrow and I said Who is that? What is that? I must play. So I feel like that has to be my answer It has to be sparrow Just even her base skin She is skin is is real good. Yeah, she attracted me to the game. So um Gonna have to go with sparrow right on So let's move on now to the the least favorite base skin hero devil spawn. Who do you got?  I could I was like, I can't can't get past her her looks I just I can't do it She was really well designed, but yeah, she was she was so well designed. She was creepy looking I didn't even think I'm taking taking that to account. That's awesome Go ahead may do You can talk mine My least favorite, uh, is zinx because I was really hyped for her and I felt let down Yeah, looks wise. I felt let down looks wise. I was like, oh, okay like All right, there she is like I wasn't like Whoa, she looks like I don't know. She could have been this badass cat Woman hybrid and she was like they could have picked like different colors for her Yeah, I don't know if it was colors. I don't know if it was the weird headdress thing The headdress I didn't like the headdress and her face just looked derpy Like her face just looked derpy like yeah I don't know in the in the trailer like we were talking about last week. She looked insanely cool Yeah, she had a really cool Yeah, so that's I was just I was just plain old disappointed when she came out. I was like She was also one of the like first characters. I think that was released without a skin In the way she had she had she had a skin on release. Oh, she did all right It wasn't really much of a variance from her. No skin at all. It was to the point where it was almost unnoticeable Oh, okay, so maybe that's where you're getting that that it was just probably yeah, yeah She had like a weird visor on that skin Yes, okay. I remember that now. Oh, okay. Yeah, all right I always thought she looked a bit like lady gaga Oh my gosh now that you say that that's so true Yeah, yeah, I can I see it. I see it. So who's your least favorite goose? You haven't said yet. Have you? I have not. Um, okay. Oh, it kills me. It kills me to call her out. Um, she was one of my favorite heroes She was the very first hero I ever mastered But decker, I I thought decker was just very basic bitch and All that interesting and she looked like she had a space suit on without the space helmet What was that weird color like collar thing? Yeah Yeah Fuckin long island with popping her collar You know who I thought you were gonna say who I debated for my least favorite was the fey Yeah, I thought for a fairy they could have gone way more fantastical and she just was weird Like she had weird pethas and like I don't know it was So like weird what? Um So like, you know, you know how I did morguech How basically it's a scary like from a scary movie and then there's fey, which is the exact opposite Yeah, like all good and greens and all luscious colors and I'm like, okay You could be your old luscious Plants and everything that's amazing.   So yeah, all right. Cool weird twist there weird twist Yeah, because just based on like colors alone. It looks like She like morguech was supposed to be evil. Yeah Okay, that's really cool. That's interesting. Also. I thought the fey looked like ashley green So favorite skin.  Let's go. Let's move on to um The uh favorite skin. So favorite skin devil spawn. What was your favorite skin in the game? Uh, so my favorite skin was either the royal monastic rogue kallari with the it's the purple rogue kallari um or the Black rogue sparrow which had it's the only one with the design on the back of the cape So I really liked those two skins. They were like the first tier three skin that I bought Those were the the like the way those robes flowed like That was that was some cool. Shit that epic did like programming wise Like that was very awesome It did throw me off with kallari because I didn't think she needed the cape because her like The elegance of her moves was like the cape like throws me off, but I was like, um, it works As you like get used to how she moves Yeah, I kind of thought the same thing with kallari that like the cape, uh, didn't go with her She looked so space age and the cape felt medieval and it was like man. They didn't they didn't mesh to me. Um But that's just my it's a good point Space people don't wear capes Not any space people I've met they they have not been wearing capes Your favorite uh favorite skin mandy Man everyone's gonna give me so much shit, but sparrow Sparrow sparrow, I'm surprised sparrow wasn't also your least favorite Like some weird reason Sparrow with the with the cape was she just it fit her soul it Oh, she just looked amazing like her base Skin brought me in and her that rogue skin was like Kept you in yeah, I do have to say though. Um, it's not my least favorite, but her halloween skin is awful I did I hated her makeup with the halloween Cat skin that was awful Oh Revenant's a revenants up there though Revenant has some pretty good skins too. Yeah, yeah revenant. I I debated if I wanted to go outside my sparrow It's what's in my heart mine was summer fun twin blast. I love that skin that Which one's that one He had squirt guns and he had like any white shirt the sunscreen on his does Swim trunks and sandals. Yeah. Yeah. All right. All right. That's amazing. That was a good one Either that or the wife meter rampage He just needed a mustard stain with that fucker My my friend called one of the rampage Own it one of the rock skins. He called it getting out the lobster because he was all uh, red This is the red one It's like turning out the lobster getting that lobster out. Oh my god. He made out those giant arms Oh, that's great Let's move on now though to least favorite skin in the game Devil's fun. What do you got everyone?  Um It was doomsday steel I Oh, you didn't like that one really.  It looked more greek and spartan to me and I was like I Hate it Don't like it Um, I did like how it changed the abilities, but I hated the look of the character does not look good From that aesthetic What did you I just didn't like it? Hmm I I enjoyed that skin. I really liked it.  Like when you laugh the when you have the face like when you're looking at steel To it's just like no No, I don't like it. I don't like you Oh Maybe is your so much for a skin or Uh, no, well kind of But my least favorite is all of the halloween ones. I was so All of the halloween ones when lashes skeleton makeup face is just awful too They probably my least favorite of all of them though. Actually, I don't remember if this no, it wasn't his halloween skin It was murdoch's, uh The lizard one I didn't I didn't like it. I didn't like that one.  I'm so into halloween like halloween is my thing. So I like expect Greatness and I didn't get it. I was not loud. I was not loud. They did a much better job on the um christmas skin You could already that that the crampus skin for richter. Yeah Was yeah, it was far scarier than any halloween skin.  That was actually iggy's one of iggy's best skins.  Ranch Mandy Oh, yeah, absolutely. I have a very strong stance on hating christmas Oh, didn't they do a fair didn't they do a valentine's day thing too? Or they had like howitzer has they didn't have a valentine's day ones. Um sarah's kind of stands out to me her valentine skin Is that what the pink ones were? Yeah, okay Crunches I liked Yeah, his valentine's day skins. You didn't expect him to get a valentine's day skin Yeah, right you didn't expect him to get it like a skin at all after they released his like golden gloves and chrome dome skins I think about least favorite, uh I forget which one it was for shambia is like the only skin she got but I didn't like it because it was the exact same thing as her regular skin like um, like it didn't change her at all like And I mean there's a lot of that went on with quang too.  No, I love that one. Yeah, that was a pretty good panda skin I liked her. What was it called shadow links? Is that the oh where she's a cat? Yeah, I like that one. That was a good one. She looked like a cat like the zinx Yeah, right For sure. All right any closing any closing comments or statements on the topic for discussion guys Not really. No, I'm good Waiting for the comments though Like how could you forget this skin? Yeah, oh, yeah, I think we'll have some good ones This skin sucked.   What are you talking about? Yeah, yeah, I can see that one because I thought it was great. I like the dude. They do stay skin Oh, man All right, so let's move on to uh to plugs devil spawn. You got anything you want to plug Um, not really.  I play borderlands three that just came out I play a whole bunch of games and I probably have something that you that you play so Just hit me up right on cool Me anything to plug Just twitch Uh, I'm gonna plug nigtana's latest Premier that he did where he was played overcooked with his friends. Uh, if you guys don't know nigtana He did the artwork that's uh, I've been using as the end card. Um, the uh The sparrow mandy and the goose bash goose. I guess someone call it and uh He did this video with his friends played overcooked and I was in tears I was laughing so hard because they did not work well together. That is such a teamwork focused game Yeah, I was in stitches. So yeah, check out nigtana's video. Um, where he's played overcooked That's I guess I guess that's what I'll plug I think, um, I don't really I couldn't think of a question. So I guess that's gonna be it for for tonight. Um Yeah, uh, I hope you guys enjoyed the show.   His choices are bad But yeah, uh, this is going to be the four of the minions crew signing off you guys have a good one by man goose You guys ready to get back into it? Yep ready ready to pull this document up document Huh, what'd I say? I heard I heard document Okay Wait, what did that say? Like I heard I heard what you said


Hey, Paul Stacey here. I'm in Denver, Colorado at the Moodle Conference. Moodle is a very popular education technology learning management system. In fact, it's amazingly popular. I used to help organize and host the Moodle conferences in Canada many years ago. It's fun to reconnect with the community and see just how rapidly Moodle has grown to become easily the most adopted learning management system around the world. And it's interesting to reflect on how the open source nature of Moodle, because it's all open source, the code is completely open, anyone can see it and add to it and modify it, has enabled the adoption of Moodle and then enabled it to scale and to disseminate everywhere around the world. Also interestingly here at the event itself are many other vendors who have built additional product components on top of Moodle that extend its functionality or have built a set of services that allow for the integration of other technologies into Moodle and how when you create an open source software system it can serve as the basis for building a complete set of additional economic components that build the thriving industry around it. And my own talk was called Why Open Matters. I spoke about all the different forms that openness takes in education. Open educational resources, yes of course, but also open access, open data, open science, open glam, galleries, libraries, archives and museums, open policy even, open government. All of these things are taking place in education right now. They're all kind of separate and autonomous mostly, but I think it's fascinating to help people realize that they are taking place and what the synergistic potentials of combining them all in terms of enabling a larger impact. I also spoke about the sustainability of open which is something that a lot of people have been talking to me about how you can think about keeping your open education initiative going forward and what the revenue generation or funding possibilities are associated with open initiatives and for that I spoke a lot about the work that I did in writing Made with Creative Commons, a book that I wrote about open business models with Sarah Pearson when I was at Creative Commons and talked about how the model for doing that is different than the traditional market-based model and how it involves the social system and what that social system looks like and how it works. I think a lot of people liked it. I had a lot of positive comments and of course it's always a privilege to have the opportunity to come to an event like this and help others learn about openness. So that's it. Bye for now. I think that whole session was filmed so I expect it will be available online through the Moodle website at some point. I'll try to create a link for it here with this posting when it becomes available. Bye for now. See you from Denver.


Namaste. I am Dr. A. Sharda here. Namaste. I am Dr. Priya Chinappa. We are both from the Department of Endocrinology and Diabetes from Manipal Hospital, Millers Road. I am moving on from obesity. One of the effects it has, obesity, is the fatty liver. So, what is your experience in patients who are having diabetes with liver disease, especially fatty liver? Yeah, I think that's the new epidemic, isn't it, this fatty liver? Because when we see patients who come with a routine health checkup, their master health checkup, a lot of patients are reported to have fatty liver and it is said that about 20-50% of our diabetic patients in India actually have this fatty liver. That's a huge number, you know. So, how do you manage these patients? Yes, so in the beginning we look at their ultrasound findings and the blood test, the ALT is frequently elevated. Some patients may not have abnormal liver function tests, though they have fatty liver on the ultrasound. Now, initially, weight loss is very effective. At least a 5% weight loss if patients are able to achieve, they can be reassessed after 3 months and a lot of the fatty liver is reversed. Now, some patients unfortunately are not able to achieve it and they go on to develop inflammation and fibrosis which can progress to cirrhosis. Apparently, this is the most common cause of end-stage liver disease worldwide. This is non-alcoholic liver disease or fatty liver and these patients are also obviously advised to abstain from alcohol and if they have diabetes, we control them with the usual medications that we have just discussed. Only when they go into end-stage liver disease, then we need to stop the medications and put them on insulin.