I'm no cowboy. I wear slim jeans. Those are two strong reasons why I shouldn't buy these. But I did. Stay and find out why I like them. G'day. If you're new here, my name is Tech and welcome to my channel, Bootlossophy. I acknowledge the traditional custodians of the lands I live and work on, the Wajik people of the Perth region in Western Australia. You may have seen my foray into Western boots a couple of years ago in the Soto round toe cowboy boot. You can watch it up here. But apart from that, the only other Western style boot I had was in my late teens, early 20s, when I picked up a pair in Spain and wore the crap out of it in London where I was living at the time. I really like the cowboy boot style, but I'm never sure I can cut it, especially in the south of Australia, where nobody wears these boots. And even when I go to cattle country in the north, which I do quite often for my work, I feel like a bit of a poser if I pull these on and sit next to a real ringer and a ring is what we call an Aussie cowboy. Nevertheless, I got these hoping that the lower block heel could let me pass them off as pretty normal boots. So clearly these are Western style boots, but they're roper boots, so called because the lower block heel allows the cowboys who rope cattle to be able to jump off their horses, rope the cattle and run better if they had big Cuban heels. These are called the Kimberley Classic High Boots from Aussie brand Ringers Western. The Kimberley is a region in northwest of Western Australia, from Broom in the west to the Northern Territory border in the north. In this large tract of cattle stations, what we call ranches, the young ringers would wear these, not so much while they're mustering, but for going out at night and to ride in rodeos. Yes, we have those. They're on a leather outsole, 270 degree Goodyear welter. As I said, a block heel with a round almond toe and a shaft that's 10 and a half inches from the top of the heel. This Kimberley model has a collar at the top of the shaft that's less scalloped and almost cut straight across, which I really like. There's also no fancy stitching across either the vamp of the boot nor up the shaft or the side of the shaft. All the stitching that you see is structural. I like the simplicity of this boot, the straight edge of the collar, the lack of fancy stitching because to me, I'd like to wear it as an everyday, let's not show off kind of way. And with the dark brown suede, it is very low key. And so we come to the section of my review where I talk about what outfits you might wear the boots with. Viewers have told me often they really appreciate this part of the review. But with these boots, I'm a little nervous because I am not going to take photos of myself in boot cut jeans and a Western plaid shirt and a cowboy hat. In fact, let's quickly get into what I have been wearing them with on the occasions that I wear these boots and then we'll move on. I've been wearing them at work in a suit to juxtapose the high low type of dressing where I have a suit, a chambray shirt, waxed flesh belt and this pair of boots. I feel a relaxed formality can be quite interesting. I also wear them with all kinds of jeans but my favourites so far have been black relaxed cut jeans and in the winter something like an old suede coat to match the texture of these suede boots. And here's the thing, when you wear these boots, you need quite loose pants. Your jeans would have to be relaxed fits or straight cuts, not slim jeans and certainly no tapered fits. Why?   In fact, I find that even with looser-legged jeans, you need to have jeans that are full break. All my pants and jeans are tailored so they break right on top of my instep.  It doesn't help that they're only 10 and a half inches tall. My Soto boots are 12 inches and you'd be surprised how much an extra inch and a half to two inches means that your pants don't hang at the top when you sit. An extra inch always helps, right? Okay, stay focused. The Kimberley Roper boots are from Australian Western gear brand Ringers Western. The name might be a clue as to what they sell. The company was started in 2016. The founder and CEO Andrew McDonnell was the manager of El Questro, a working cattle station in the Kimberley that also had a holiday resort homestead stay facility. It's reputed that the company started around a campfire after a day's mustering. The idea that was discussed was to fill a gap of decent work shirts for Ringers at a good price. Mr McDonnell and the company eventually moved to Queensland and now services customers all over Australia through their website and through unrelated Western outfitters' retail shops. I'll put a link to their website below. They started making boots in Mexico in 2020 and importing them back into Australia. The boots are made in Leon. Hello, Leon. We meet again, even with an Australian brand. According to their website, they spent years researching and sampling boots and decided on the quality produced by factories in Leon that met the quality, durability and price standards that they wanted. As my regular subscribed viewers will know, hint, subscribe, Leon in Mexico is well known for leather and footwear production and it's probably the most recognised centre of boot production in the Americas other than perhaps the Pacific Northwest. Today, apart from a crazy wide collection of men's and women's boots from Western boots to Chelsea's, they also offer all types of Western workwear and hats. With that, let's take a look at the construction. The Kimberley boots they're called are built on a leather outsole using a 270 degree Goodyear welt construction method. Check out my Goodyear welt 101 video up here. What that means is that a leather welt is sewn around the front portion of the boot where the inside edge is sewn to the insole and uppers on the inside and the outside edge is sewn to the outsole. The heel portion is then glued and nailed to the insole. This style of construction means that it's reasonably water resistant and recraftable and the slope down the back of the boot is sleek avoiding the shelf that can be caused by a welt at the back. On the leather outsole, a Ringer's Western logo imprint is pressed and burned into it I think but it has no lemon wood pegs that you sometimes see on Western boots. Now I am not an expert on Western boots so I don't know what that means structurally other than the fact that it's probably not authentically the way Western boots have always been made. I suspect there may not be any real structural issue and it's more like the poron or cork argument in service boots. Talking about poron, yep this has a leather lined poron insole and a leather midsole. The cavity caused by the welt going around the edge is filled with cork and there is a steel shank inserted into that layer. The shank runs between the heel and the ball of the foot offering support under the arch as well as stability over rough ground. The cork filler despite the poron insole gives extra comfort. The whole inside of the boot is glove leather lined and extremely comfortable. The uppers are made from suede, a source undisclosed but I suspect from a Leon tannery because it is very similar in feel and nappiness to other boots I have with Mexican suede. It's not very thick, it's less than 2mm in the shaft and I assume throughout the boot which I can't measure.  The weight though of the leather offers suppleness and comfort. The uppers look like they're stitched together really well. All the stitch lines are clean, parallel and consistent. I haven't found any missed or loose threads yet. The stitching on the welt is finely done, discreet and pretty even as well. There is either a decorative stitched joint or there really are maybe two halves of the boot the front and the back but this stitch here is rolled like two pieces rolled to a fine edge before being sewn together. Now that's a really nice touch. The toe box is unstructured but the heel counter, it's an internal one, is firm and it feels like a elastic. The top of the shaft as I said at the beginning has only a gentle curve instead of like others a really deep cut scullet. The two pull loops of the same suede are on either side of each boot and useful which I'll tell you about when I talk fit. Overall I think the construction is amongst the better ones of boots in this price range. As for carrying for this mokka suede, no different from carrying for any suede except that maybe you won't mind it getting roughed up and shiny where it becomes apparent. That sort of patina on this dark mokka can be very attractive. Carrying for suede, get yourself a suede brush. That's a stiff brush sometimes made from copper bristles that you use to brush dirt off the nap and then brush it the other way to re-raise the nap. If you want you can use a product like Terago's Nano Protector Spray to put a waterproof mist on top of the suede but like I say in this boot maybe you want it to wear and show water spots and oil and grease and burnish with scuffing in the wearing. When it does need conditioning, which in my experience with suede is hardly ever, you can use a spray-on conditioner made by Terago or its big brother Sophia, more expensive. In this case I think less is more. Let's talk sizing. On the Ringers Western website you can size yourself in either US sizes, Australian sizes which is UK or European sizes. Whichever, these sizes are a half down from your Brannock. So I'm a US 8.5 and the Brannock device which equates to a UK or Australian 7.5. This pair is in US 8D or Aussie 7D and they fit pretty well. Ringers Western offer these in US sizes 5 to 13 with half widths up to 10.5 which is pretty good. They also offer D width and wide double E width which is really good for a small brand. In my half down from true sizing, they're actually a little roomy but I don't believe a full size down would be big enough.  I have inserted a thin foam insole and that has made the fit feel a little more bespoke. With that in my toes are a good thumbs width of the tip and feel like they fill the almond shaped toe box without being too squeezy at the tip. The waist and instep are snug which I guess like a Chelsea boot you need in a no laces western boot. The heel is a little slippy but I understand in cowboy boots you're meant to get an inch or two heel slip and that's normal. They don't feel like they're going to fling off when I walk. Another hint that I got the right size is in the act of putting them on and thank goodness for the pull loops. My feet go in easily then when they have to turn the corner they get a bit snugged up and I have to use the pull loops and with some not all that gentle pulling they pop in and then feel like a really good fit. Comfort wise the thin poroninsole is as expected good enough shock absorption. My foam insert just makes it even better. The leather sole 5mm thick is thin enough in comparison to rubber just like the dressy soles of the RM Williams leather sole craftsman that you do feel that you communicate very well with whatever is under your feet. Now that's not a bad feeling don't get me wrong. Just after all kinds of commando soles and thick P&W multi-leather bottoming it's an interesting feel.  There are no sore spots or hot spots and even after a whole day of wearing them they're still comfortable. On a long walk they do feel a little sloppy with that heel slip but I don't think these were meant for long hikes without your horse. So in terms of value these cost 350 AUD or that's about 210 or 20 USD which I think is a pretty good price. They're not a name quality brand like Tikovis but if you compare them with similar brands like Tony Lamas, Ariat, Justin and the like they're in that same price range. Now I'm not an expert as I said before make sure you hear me on that. So I don't really know if those brands have matching qualities or better qualities but just from my internet research they sound pretty similar. So not being an expert they look like pretty good value to me. Those who know better let me know in the comments below. And that's it from me. I do feel a little strange wearing cowboy boots but in this dark mocha and with no decorative stitching and on its low heel I think I can just about get away with it as if it was a normal boot. If only I had the right jeans to wear them with. Anyway I hope you liked the review and liked it enough to click on like please do. If you're not yet subscribed go on click on the subscribe button and YouTube will bring all my reviews to you when I upload them. Until the next time take care and see you soon.


It is live. Hello. We're live. We're so live Oh my gosh, we're so live. I wanted to feel like the show was Truly enveloping my brain So I've got my headphones on today, and that's why I put a hat on to my brain And Veronica has a scarf on Because it's winter and Roger has his normal headphones. I have my normal headphones in a t-shirt With the mic up top because he don't Because that's a way No, I have hair on to the top of my head. No, the mic the mic All right, no when I was like when I was in high school at a friend who used to He would always tell me like you're gonna be bald by the time you're 30 You just constantly kind of put that in my head Ain't no shame in that game So true, but I beat his prediction. I beat it. I feel good about something in my life All right, that's my kid and my wife friends General things you've accomplished. Yeah, this is tops Are we ready? Yeah You know the minute V I know I Hear we Go the Daily Tech News show is powered by you and me if you're not one of us head over to Daily Tech News show comm slash support This is the Daily Tech News for Monday December 11 2017 from DTS headquarters in Los Angeles on Tom Merritt and from studio feline at the beach I am Sarah Lane in San Francisco. I'm furious That's Her new name furious Belmont Also with us is Roger Chang gree. Yes. I still have my hair too. Yes, you do. It's a lovely head of hair Let's start with a few tech things you should know The Google Home Mac speaker is available although depending on where you're trying to buy it It might be out of stock which it is at many retailers But price is three hundred ninety nine dollars for dual four point five inch woofers and custom point seven inch Tweeters that theoretically should pack about twenty times the punch of a regular Google Home speaker It sounds pretty Magnificent least on paper the max has assistant and Chromecast built-in Bluetooth 3.5 millimeter input and can be oriented horizontally or vertically nice Facebook has removed the ticker a box that appeared to the right of the news feed showing friends activity such as likes and comments The ticker was launched in 2011 along with the algorithmic news feed that no longer showed posts in chronological order She can't stock people researcher Michael Ming found a deactivated keylogger in a synaptics keyboard device driver That was probably working for the touchpad on more than 460 HP laptop models after Ming contacted HP they released an update and that removed the trace That was causing the bug. So no longer there, but you got to do the update Let's get to some other top stories Veronica. What do we got? Alright, let's see 21 internet and computing veterans Rowan open letter to the US Senate Commerce subcommittee on communications saying the FCC proposal to reclassify the internet as an information service Was quote rushed and technically incorrect as well as a quote an imminent threat to the internet We worked so hard to create the signatories included Steven Belvin who developed Usenet Tim Berners-Lee who developed the worldwide web and surfed Been surfed who developed TCP IP Steve Crocker who developed ARPANET protocols and Steven Wolfe who helped transform ARPANET into the internet Apple Steve Wozniak Mozilla Mozilla's Mitchell Baker and the internet archives Brewster Kali also signed the FCC plans to vote on the proposal December 14 Everybody ever involved in the internet is like bad idea. Yeah The people who made the internet or made personal computing what it is have all agreed that they don't like the these rules and and honestly I think I think the Most important part that I took out of what they wrote was we we actually need to fix things You've got a flawed understanding of the internet changing back and forth like this isn't helping anyone So so let's not do anything Let's not change it again. Let's actually get to the bottom of it. I Wonder how much the people involved in whatever legislation this will shake out to be care about the Quote-unquote founding fathers of the internet. No, they don't care at all They didn't care about millions upon millions of signatures and calls and letters and faxes They don't give half a crap about what anyone but their pockets think the end and that's what they're trying to do here is saying look You didn't pay attention To the way the internet actually works in your reasoning and justification for wanting to do this change So you really need to stop I mean, that's that's that's essentially what this what this thing says despite this comment the FCC did not correct its Misunderstandings they're like we we wrote you before you didn't you didn't take our our opinions into account Great, I mean, whatever your political belief They need to take into account the opinions of the people who built the internet and at least counter them if nothing else And that's what they're saying in this letter is like you didn't even respond to it. Well, so okay Sounds like they don't care about the opinions of the people who built the internet So it's like what does it take at this point for these people? influential enough to be able to spur the rest of the us to call our Congress people and and and make enough of a stink that That it actually doesn't act change I mean, that's the only thing we can do at this point is is vote the people in Congress out who put the people in the FCC in power It's not like there's there's Nothing else really that we as as people can do if the FCC is not going to listen to to comments on the matter I actually think there is something you can do it may not be as effective as what you're talking about That's probably the most effective thing is to to make your voice known at the polling place. I totally agree with you I think you can also write your Congress person now. Yeah, say look after you know If this vote goes away that you don't like or even if it goes away you do like write your Congressperson and say Look, this is you know, this is what I think and I think Congress should take action if that's what you think That's personally what I'm going to do Because I I don't like the football that's happening here And if we vote a bunch more people in and then they change it back again at the FCC level that doesn't fix the problem to me So this news came in right as we ended the show last Friday and Apple has since confirmed It has acquired Shazam the app that recognizes music and tells users the title and artists that they're listening to at the time Shazam makes most of its money on referrals to music stores Tech crunch says Shazam reportedly discussed an acquisition with snap and Spotify as well Obviously they've gone with Apple at this point and even though neither company is Commenting on the actual number sources speaking to Tech crunch put the deal around four hundred million dollars. Yeah, Shazam Has a lot of users, but it has fallen out of the top downloads recently So I think that's one of the reasons they were pursuing a sale. I Think it makes sense that Spotify or snap would want this I could see that fitting into either ecosystem as an easy way To either get people to use snap because you know while you're out there snapping around you could have it Automatically tell what the song was and show that up as a filter perhaps Spotify obviously can add it to a playlist add it to your library, etc And that's probably what Apple's gonna do with it, too It's it's gonna be in integrated into Apple music. I hope it doesn't go away for the rest of us Shazam is a great app for everybody and I use it all the time not with Apple music. I would not want to be limited with it I Like Soundhound as a as a as a replacement I haven't used Shazam in a while, but Soundhound has been pretty good. That's a good point I have Soundhound and I always forget about it So I guess if Shazam did go I could just use Soundhound Yeah, and it will add songs automatically to your Spotify playlist, which is cool I kind of mentioned this when we were when we were going off the air Last week, but it's like Shazam was the first app where I was like, this is magic Yeah, like it's just I can't believe it like now. I know the song You know and there's a nice quick link back to the iTunes story And so I understand the affiliate money and and why Shazam was such a cool app But in the meantime, this was many years ago. It was one of the first Apple. I'm sorry I I was apps that I downloaded and so other companies Soundhound one of them But but lots of other apps now provide the same kind of service Which is probably why Shazam isn't necessarily like this hot app for somebody who maybe is getting used to the iOS ecosystem for the first time Scientists at the University of Washington have created CAD models for objects that can be 3d printed in plastic and then collect and Communicate information over Wi-Fi without having to add parts to it. You don't have to put chips in it or nothing Team used something called a backscatter technique that replaces electric functions with mechanical motion You know, it's tiny mechanical motion, but still Like it feels like it's steampunk or something like it's 19th century But it's much more complex than that Conductive printing filament which contains some copper mixed with plastic can transmit by reflecting radio signals So it doesn't have to have power. The team created a wind meter water flow meter and a scale They also made buttons and knobs They think that that could be used to say like, you know to raise and lower the volume on a device without having to be near it Using plastic mixed with iron They were able to use the magnetic properties to encode information on the plastic devices like a barcode So items could be identified with a scan all kinds of really interesting Uses that you could put this to you That's awesome looking. I don't really understand what I would How do you replace electric functions with mechanical motion if there's not an electric function at all So imagine, okay, I think believe me. You're asking the wrong person We need to have the folks from the university of washington on but if I have it right So water flow meter is a good example as the water flows. It moves the the wheel, right? And as the wheel moves it can change how it reflects the radio signal With the with the copper filament part and then that can be sensed by the device on the other end that goes Oh, okay The water is moving at this rate without the water having to have a chip on it that is sending the information If that makes any sense Yeah, and the same thing with the volume control like you can press a button and that changes the way the Radio is just light, right? So the wi-fi waves bounce off And then you pressing the button makes them bounce off in a different way and then it can go Oh, okay, so that must mean up and it changes the volume to up on your speaker side Fascinating. All right. Well microsoft released a preview of its quantum computing development kit including the q How do you say that too sharp Q sharp language a local quantum computing simulator a quantum trace simulator and a visual studio extension Microsoft wants to get feedback from early adopters towards its aim of offering a full stack solution I you know, I mean this is just another one of those milestones, right? You can start learning quantum computing if you get in on this preview without having to own a quantum computer And and so many companies are doing this google's doing this IBM's doing similar things where they're trying to lay the groundwork now So that coders Can jump in on quantum computers whether they're in the cloud or local Once they really become practical that will have people that are already up to speed on what these can be used for At the same time we could figure out new things that they can be used for Well, I mean that's certainly what's keeping me from developing That's the only thing right software. So, yeah, no, this is actually really cool. I I can see where you know, it's cost prohibitive, right? Yeah, there's there's Kind of a hardware technical need, but most of the time this is something that even if I wanted to have At the ready here in my studio. I just I can't afford so if you can if you can Throw that to the cloud and be able to test Uh innovations. That's awesome. Yeah, you need people to be able to create those innovations My ether wallet. Have you heard of it? Well is one of the most popular ios apps for storing crypto coins However, the fake version not only made it into the ios app store as well But then rose to number three in the finance category over the weekend people were obviously confused The developer of the fake version also has to fighting panda games If you're interested in that the creators of the real my ether wallet have contacted apple to say hey Get this fake version removed. This is not cool. The real version is free and open source The new fake version. Are you surprised? Cross four dollars and 99 cents. Yeah, this is a cash grab Somebody thought oh, I could take this open source code submit it as my own and make money before I get kicked out and Hopefully they get kicked out because even if There's nothing in the code that steals your bitcoin keys, which I would not be surprised if there's something like that in there too But even if there's not this is just loathsome I just don't understand how it's so hard to get a totally benign apple app store approved App in the apple app store approved like just they're so Stringent on every little thing and yet they let just blatant copies of crap go through like what is that? Like what are they even searching for the names of the apps? Like it's ridiculous Okay, I I agree with you But at the scale that apples app store operates they are bound to make mistakes I don't know. Have you ever seen the comments after submitting an app to the apple app store? Like they look at every tiny little thing not I don't mean to use her comments. No, no, you mean the submission comments Okay, I got you. Yeah, yeah No, I know But that doesn't mean that they are always looking that close They definitely are going to take shortcuts on certain things for certain reasons and if you know how to definitely Shortcuts on cryptocurrency. That's a good idea. Well, okay That's easy to criticize them about but I just did But but if you know if you know how to to push those buttons You're like, okay. I know that they don't look at this and they don't look at that and I can be able to slip it through One out of millions of submissions getting through is Is Almost an inevitability to happen Uh, so I I don't think this particular instance is Shows that apple is corrupt or their system is is broken. Uh, but it certainly is embarrassing. I'll give you that I've also I have fallen pray to the I thought I was downloading the app that I wanted and I got some other crappy app instead More than once over the years more than twice. So it's yeah, it's sure, you know, it's a quick buck. I suppose but Um Don't do that app developers stop it. Yeah I'm more mad at the person who's took an open source program and submitted it at the as their own I am also not pleased that it it got through. I agree with you there One more thing netflix us tweeted the following today Uh at or I guess it was yesterday. Sorry at 6 52 p.m To the 53 people who've watched a christmas prince every day for the past 18 days Who hurt you? So this is you know, it's netflix us, but it's it's at netflix on twitter This is netflix's official account. They have over four million followers And I this came across my feed because somebody had retweeted it like whoa, that's You know netflix, you know, it's kind of like on the offensive the holiday season and I read it I was like hold on a second First of all, I I understand that this tweet is supposed to be a joke, right? If somebody who watched some movie that a lot of us have never heard of it's a netflix original movie Mind you every day for 18 days You know, you're kind of like oh, what's what's what's going on who hurt you ha ha But it's also like Is that completely a joke or is that based on real data? Oh, I'm sure it's based on real data. Yeah Yeah, you're not you know calling people out necessarily, but you're sort of shaming them It's just it's a weird thing for netflix to do Yeah Certainly is Hey, folks if you want to get all the tech headlines each day in about five minutes Be sure to subscribe to daily tech headlines dot com You can get it on the amazon echo on the google home and on the anchor app Once again, that's daily tech headlines dot com Wired's john moallum has a post up answering the question I catch myself peeking at other people's texts on the subway. Am I the worst? Now you may already start to guess what moallum is going to say right platitudes about privacy and curiosity Except that's not what moallum writes. He makes the argument that we evolved to be curious and look for threats Hence the compulsion to spy on texts He's way more poetic than I'm being about it though. He talks about sabertooth tigers and john lock and identifying Butt prints among certain tribes to figure out who's having sex with whom else It's an incredibly well written response But the john lock he's talking about is not the 17th century philosopher. It's the modern day linguist And moallum finishes up by pretty much saying we are all informational predators It's what we evolved to be for our own survival We are also all informational prey So the next time I go through my future boyfriend's texts So i'm going to use this as an argument to be like listen. This is how we've evolved You have to do this Because you might be posing an imminent threat Well, that's kind of what moallum is saying is like look We we all will have the temptation to do it and it's going to happen to you. So Use your powers for good well I admit that I sometimes glance at other people's I've done it too laptops. I never feel good about it It usually happens on an airplane. Yep, and there have been there have been time most of the time I'm kind of like whatever, you know, I've definitely read entire people's quarterly reports on airplanes. Yeah And every once in a while you kind of glance over and you're like this seems sensitive Look the other way. Look out the window. Do whatever you want to do I don't look at people's texts as much sometimes I do but I if they're on slack on their phone I will try to see like what their slack team is so then I can figure out what company they work for I can see their names.  You I just like oh, that's interesting. Oh I think especially when slack was just starting to take off. I was like, oh, that's cool. Oh, isn't that bad though? It's bad. Okay Yeah, I'm not saying it's good.  So the curiosity thing is Very normal. I think that's just sort of the human condition but understanding what people are talking about and why is Way more complex and you just don't know that when you're like peeking out of people's lives Yeah, I think that's the point moallum is making is like your temptation to do this is perfectly natural Don't feel bad about that But just remember they're all doing it to you too. So you might want to try to curb it Just for the good of humanity Do you guys ever do it the other way around where you have your laptop out or your phone out? And you're thinking about what the person next to you might think if they saw what you were working on Yes Yeah, especially when i'm on twitter. It's usually deep shame Like yeah, or just like like lack of context, you know, take context away. It's like we're all insane I was working on sound really crazy I was working on an outline for a book And I was like as i'm writing it it changed the way I was making the outline because I was sitting next to someone on a plane I didn't know and i'm like, what are they gonna think?  Yeah, that's the kind of paranoia I got But it's hard it's hard. I do it. Yeah, like like sarah said I'm guilty of this on airplanes for sure. Like I'm guilty of this on on bart and on the subway Like you just like glance and you can get a lot of information in one glance Which is definitely a reason to remember to be extra careful with sensitive information or banking stuff or passwords There's you know, it's people are always there and looking and curious Or just start typing. I'm pretty sure the person next to me is looking at this as I'm typing it I've done that too. Have you that's fine, right? And if they read it, they were like No Well, thanks to everybody who participates in our subreddit you can submit stories and vote on them at dailytechnewshow.reddit.com Let us know what you think. Do you spy on techs? We also have a facebook group facebook.com slash groups Slash daily tech news show if you do quote anything you've spied on please don't attribute We do not condone this. Yeah, Tom want to check in with the thing of the day Yes, let's check in with Nate Langston to find out what they've been talking about on text message, Nate Hey, thanks, Tom. This week we talked about the uk video games retailer game Deciding it might be a good idea for its brick and mortar retail business to start selling smartphones As well as physical copies of games We also talked about uber losing its license potentially in another UK city this time sheffield up in the north where I was born in fact And we also talked a little bit about the fact that the bbci player here the on-demand catch-up service is moving to 4k content 4k hdr content. No less all that and more at techpodcast.uk Thank you, Nate. Go check it out. It's it's my favorite sunday jogging. Listen now I go I go jogging with ian and nate And I just it's it's a lovely it's a lovely way to catch up now. I know nate was born in cheffield, right? How about that? Let's check the mailbag. What's in there sarah? Wes who says holy cow. It's noted in texas. I saw some pictures of friends of mine who live in houston, so Stay safe out there. Wes. Wes says I just finished watching a pbs american experience documentary about silicon valley It was great. It's on amazon prime video if you're interested. Thanks for all the hard work. You're all amazing Thank you, Wes.  Love the show. Merry christmas jim There's no big boy pants in business. I guess not Uh, yeah, I mean, I don't know. It's it's a big black message with white text That's probably why he's feeling like it's in his face But it really just says starting on january 1st the youtube app will not be available on this device You can continue to enjoy your favorite creators and videos in many other ways and give you a link Um, it doesn't seem that rude to me But I think yeah, I think the fact that it's just kind of hits you when you launch youtube and you're expecting You know to see secrets of the citadel and instead you see this big black message Very happy with my my amazon app though on my apple tv. That's been working like a charm Oh, yeah, uh, we've been using that too and it's it's like it's always been there my only slight regret is that you can't actually rent something from amazon directly through the app like Like any ios or apple tv app, but I don't do that that often. So I don't either Well, that's it Thanks everybody who contributed to our mail man. I was crappy today. Sorry guys.  Oh, okay. I like that. Yeah Glad you like it since you sprung it off Well, that was the test I figured she was going to be honest and go like no no, we're not doing that and then that would have been the end of that idea if the etiquette idea is met with Something not etiquette like then, you know, you're Yeah, back to the drawing board, right? It's kind of like dear veronica. I used to answer a lot of those kinds of questions Exactly, we kind of thought it was up your alley, but um, but but since we're talking about you veronica I know irl was back. 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Call it over um Yes, furiosa belmont easy to criticize them. I just did Facebook's ticker wait, wait, where did one headline end in the other begin? You were running them together pretty fast Oh Top is furiosa belmont Followed by it's easy to criticize them. I just did Uh third we got facebook's ticker finally gave out Uh followed by net neutrality furiosa belmont road Oh, I like that one. That's pretty good Internet of steves tells fcc to stop it Internet of steves That's I like that one Uh, we're all terrible textual people except me. I don't read other people's texts. Yeah, you do. I know you do. You've even told me about it No, yeah when it's said to me I don't read over other people's shoulders I mean you have in your life Don't lie No, I don't I just don't blame you I think of all of us always I don't I don't need to I have spills or what are you doing? Most people tell me uh No, it's because You don't just like say to somebody what are you typing? Well, no, it's because I only ask people I know I'm not gonna Look over and see what someone else is doing That I don't know I understand personal space Come on. I wasn't I wasn't born in a zoo No big boy pants It was lovely High quality zoo Uh private texting See what else do you spy on texts? There's no privacy when using your phone I like internet of steves. Yeah, that's pretty funny. It's that or net neutrality furios and belmont road is pretty darn good too. Yeah I'll let I'll let the voters or the viewers. All right. I'm uh, I just finished leveling so I'm I'm gonna be exporting here in a second. We'll see See how the live votes go I'm I don't care either way. You're good either way. I'm good either way All right Furiosa belmont road That's the one I like better just seems like fun and exciting These days, I'm gonna dispel patrick's last name and say patrick baha Well, it's one vowel off. I don't think you're gonna do that. You know what you're you're reading at this point I'm gonna name it patrick alta Out wouldn't it be baha. I was so thrown by vinton surf.  Uh, I think that's what he was signing. So he's like, well, I sign it vinton But yeah, no one ever calls him vinton. I also I've heard of vincent But never vinton that's just not a name. I've ever heard anyone Called before I knew a martha vinton actually still know her sort of through facebook With a high school together sir name that you know, not a not a first name though unless she named one of her kids vinton vinton But she's married now so she has a different last name Oh man, that would be interesting. What if you named your child first name after your maiden name? Well, you know, I Do not have children, but I've always thought That lane is a cool name for a kid And then it could just sort of be part of the whole thing without having to do some like hyphenated. I don't know I've known people named lane as their first name. I do as well Uh men and women and I've known people named merit as their first name That's a cool one. So if I lean and I have a kid we can name it merit reverie Classmate in jc whose first name was kim And she was from oklahoma. She married a A korean guy and his last name was kim Her name in class was kim kim kim kim kim and we were ordering pizzas. What's your name kim last name kim kim kim kim kim That's good, too. Uh internet of steves I think is yeah looks looks like the winner. Okay. I got I got to go. All right. Thanks, Veronica Have a better day. Thank you. Actually, my day was fine before the mic didn't work Yeah, it really sucks the soul out of that sure does. All right. Bye y'all. Bye Yeah, we had mic problems before veronica started. I didn't want to mention it because it made her so furious It makes me furious when that happens, too. Uh, it's what it's funny because you know, I I've been there. Yeah, many of you have seen me, you know, just ranting a raving. Can you hear me and it's so frustrating because If you know where to check for everything and it just doesn't work Yeah, you know, it's like you just want to pull your hair out. Yeah when you can't find the obvious problem It's like wait Yeah, and especially when you're in a shared studio, which I think she is then you're like, what what did someone do? Like why didn't they just leave it the way it was when it was working? Right, right And sometimes it's You know, it's something like oh, you need to restart your machine Which shouldn't be the answer but sometimes it is I actually have a um, I have a funny situation where I submitted a new podcast to the um To itunes and google play and stitcher This is one you're you're producing. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, and um because people are gonna be like great Where can I subscribe? Totally and I I want to make sure that everything is fixed before yeah before you start telling them but um You know the you know getting an rss feed that's accepted by all of those platforms. That's not hard However Once I made a little change to one of my descriptions After submitting to itunes Now itunes has the wrong description on one of my episodes What do you know?  So Anyway, that's just done That was my little tech doesn't work properly all the time story for monday because it happens It happens and it makes you angries Yeah It does But you know what we will persevere We will things carry on our wayward sun Oh big jim says furiosa belmont should be a uh sticker It could also be a reoccurring theme for mondays Furiosa belmont like do you have advice to give or you just ticked Maybe we should get it like studied Could have like a like a little You know a graphic with kind of crazy hair She'll need like a she'll need studied uh like uh padded shoulders I have to admit since we're talking about this that The two times I tried to watch The mad max in question. I fell asleep Don't tell scott johnson that oh my god. He'll be so upset He'll try to convert you I've already been railed against by all sorts of people don't feel bad because I didn't fall asleep But I was bored the when they had to go back Like what the first outing where they went to the Where the sisters wherever were were located was cool But then I just felt that they ran the ideas and so well, let's just have them fight their way back It's like the problem that I have with this type of movie Because it's not that I'm like oh, I'm not interested It's that when it goes into action mode and there's like a song And a chase or something, you know some combination of that where you're like, okay, we're gonna get to the dialogue in like 10 minutes I can't stay awake I need people to be talking so Fury road is a great example of a movie that had like Not built for you. Yeah Just like lullaby. You know what you're gonna love is the greatest showman Yeah, yeah talking I saw it yesterday talking and singing I like it already. Yeah, and you you thought it was a good movie. I did. I actually really liked it I I saw it in preview with Eileen and the host of see it skip it Jacqueline Jacqueline is a big Like musical fan. She had some criticisms of it She thought there were some cheesy moments that didn't need to be cheesy and she Both Eileen and her thought the songs were very modern. They were good, but they were very modern and that felt weird because it's an 1800 setting And she said they're just There wasn't enough musical in it for and I'm like, that's why I liked it Because it's mostly story and then when they did have a song the song made sense to me and it was a good song so Is is your is your knit with um musicals that it's too much singing or the songs aren't relevant I don't like Musicals like lemiz or wicked Uh, where they're like, so I'll go over here to the bathroom and then I'll come, you know Like I'm like, come on. Just just have talking for that part for me Then have a song when the song is like like la la land or the music man or any of those classic musicals like that's fine Yeah, Mary Poppins is great. Love that. That's fine. Love that City of stars um Yeah, no, I hear you I love musical It's the ones where they just don't stop singing. Right, right, right. I'm just like, whoa Hamilton Hamilton's on the edge for me. Don't stop talking Once you stop talking and I start to yeah, like oh car chase I've got 10 minutes Um, there was a um Idris Elba movie that I found on Guess it was netflix made it was amazon called um the steel day. Have you guys seen this? I watched it the other night. I had never heard of it before. Uh, probably was like a not super Big movie in theaters, but you know, he's like a CIA agent and he's in paris and you know Try to get the bad guys who were stealing money from banks type of thing and I really like him and he played an american which is my favorite version of him, but uh, but The movie was So many chases like the car chases were elaborate and they just went on forever Yeah, after two hours, I was like, I think we were talking for like I'd usually don't like car chases for that reason Uh, there've been a couple of movies. I've seen recently where I'm like, oh, these car chases are more interesting They're motivated They have story in them because a lot of times the car chase is just to show the car doing crazy cool things Yeah, like fast and furious I'm like, okay. This is just to show the cars, right? I right and but um Oh, what's the uh What's the one with kevin spacey and it's about the kid who's Uh always wears the headphones because he's got ringing in his ears Oh Was he slow? Anyway, that one I can't remember the name baby driver. Thank you. Uh, thank you. Well, I guess that one I the I was surprised that I liked the car chase scenes because I'm like, oh These are meaningful.  Yeah one at a time queue up Well, there was a recent episode of we have concerns where they went through a list of the things that are common in movies that aren't true Right, you know, they can't happen that way Yeah, that wasn't one they went through but that definitely is the kind of thing and like half the time it's like, you know, you punch somebody like He's he he or she is not dead But they're just like don't worry about them They'll just sort of like roll around like on the ground, you know for the rest of the fight scene Someone losing consciousness from a punch is right fairly rare. That's hard to do Right. Yeah, it's not impossible You have to you want it has to be a sucker punch that I've seen and you really have to wind it up Yeah, like you're not just doing this the one that that I remember that stuck out to me on we have concerns is You can't really choke someone to death Certainly not in the amount of time they ever show in movies No Like it's really hard to choke someone to death with your hands now It's it's different if you're using implements, but like just to grab someone's throat like It would take 15 minutes Because you can't create a like more like 10 seconds in a movie where you're just like Okay, you're done. Yeah 15 minutes. Oh, the other one is take 15 minutes if they're not very good at fighting you off if they're like Struggling at all. It's yeah The other the other one I there's fine. Funny is the neck breaking Like they just come up and they'll just like Oh when they like twist twist someone's head done and they're just like no That's because they're so good at it.   Actually occur factor of death The the other big one that I that I think a lot of people Watching movies that I think applies in real life is silencers on guns Like they don't they they science the gun, but they don't silence it like that. Oh, right, right, right, right? Yeah, so you can just be like in an apartment and like shoot somebody and like mom sleeping in the next room Yeah, they're a silencer like my coffee grinder is whisper quiet when it's like Yeah, right like it literally is less loud than the previous coffee grinder I had but it's not whisper But it's not silent. Yeah My neighbor who's moving uh from my area of town to another area of town starting today It's going to be a long process. He just texted me Come over. There's a crane man here.  So he's putting furniture on his roof. He's taking it off to go with it He's moving from oh So he's moving he's moving from where he lives right next to me And so he texted me like he knows I'm home at this time of day like come over. I need like crane support And it's like Nope did not get that text. Why do you need crane support? Uh moral support, I think like because he's worried about his furniture getting dropped or something I think it's just I mean a a crane Truck the bird. Oh, it's real big. Yeah. Yeah, and you got to go up three stories And it's a cool thing and I think he's just dressed out, but I'm like This is the sort of thing I will not be helpful for Well, is it because his furniture is unwieldy or because he just wants to keep it because it doesn't fit through the stairwell hallways. Yeah, if you were to go down I did that I I stupidly I helped my friend move in college and his college did not or his college His couch did not fit up the stairs like in the apartment So we had been bringing in through the balcony through his window And I was like Jesus like yeah, I mean a window would be one thing Like that's a whole you know, you got to like get the window removed or whatever. This is this is Uh I don't know She seems stressful to me All right, folks. Uh, well, I'm out of here. Thanks everybody for watching Uh, Roger and our broadcast stop being