Hi everyone. Welcome to Monthly Metrics, the Media Foundation. I'm Abby Ripstra, and I'm a design researcher here, a lead design researcher. And I've done a bunch of research, traveled a lot of the world, and learned what people need to contribute to knowledge and to learn from the free knowledge that we all support and love. So I'm your host today, and we're going to have a great presentation with, there's going to be a movement update, some information about WikiCite, about the future of this meeting, and then a strategy update from Catherine. And then we'll have some questions and discussion at the end, about 10 minutes, and then time for WikiLove to share appreciation for movement in the people. Hello. Okay, where was I? Yeah, so okay, so if you have questions, just wait for the end to that, write them down, and then people will answer questions at the end. All right, so next slide. Yeah, these are the things we're going to talk about. I just wrote. Okay, so on to a movement update. So there's now a Community Capacities Map, which is very exciting. CE launched, what, oh, thank you. Here, you can read it too. CE launched a Community Cap Capacities Map, an initiative that aims to identify needs and ways to build capacity across different Wikimedia communities, which is great. Also, the Audiences Department launched visual diffs that will the editing team. It's a new update that will allow users to visually review the changes made to Wikimedia sites without using Wikitext markup language. Makes it a lot easier to see what happened. And the annual report was launched. It's beautiful. Thanks for the work for the departments across the foundation that created that it's very engaging. I really urge you to check it out. And then we had all hands. 277 people and one puppy participated in all hands. And it was awesome. It was really fun. Next slide. And then here are some things coming up in March. We have Wiki and Daba. We have Wiki and Daba in Tunis in March 16th through 18th. Wiki and Daba is a regional conference for Africans both within Africa and in the diaspora. This year's conference aims to build capacity for African Wikimedians, foster growth on the coverage and involvement of Africa in the Wikimedia projects, and better connect African Wikimedians. And we have International Women's Day coming up on March 8th. Two affiliates, Wikimedia Sweden and Wikimedia France, are coordinating global campaigns to improve content about women on Wikipedia. Learn more about how you can get involved on these links. This will be posted on Meta. And art and feminism. Global events will take place from February through the spring as part of an annual campaign to improve coverage of cis and transgender women feminism and the arts on Wikipedia. So those are things coming up in March. All good stuff. Okay, now I'd like to introduce you to Dario Torre Borelli, who you probably know. He's going to talk about Wikisite. Hello everybody. I'm Daria with the Wikimedia Foundation's research team, and I'm going to give you a long overdue update on Wikisite. I need a clicker. Thank you, Abby. Okay, so many of us are used to thinking of Wikipedia as a destination. The final stop on a quest for information, the place we go to look up effect, to learn on any topic, to settle a bet among friends. However, for many of its readers, Wikipedia actually is a gateway. It's a gateway to knowledge representing external knowledge repositories in library collections, in digital repositories that are outside of our websites. We have extensive evidence from scientific literature that Wikipedia acts as a bridge between what we have on our own contents and these repositories by connecting students, patients, researchers, the general public to this much broader ecosystem of knowledge. And if we look at the role of Wikimedia projects from this perspective, if we ask ourselves what it means to be providing knowledge as a service, the link, the reference, stands out as the most fundamental mechanism by which we can act as a gateway towards a much broader ecosystem of knowledge. In other words, the mission of disseminating open knowledge globally and effectively goes beyond hosting content. It really means pointing readers and learners to whatever sources they need in order to be able to meet their learning goals. And so for this reason, linking and referencing is a critical part of this mission. As it turns out, though, references and links to external sources haven't really received a ton of love in the past decade or so. If you're familiar with how references are stored in Wikipedia, you'll be familiar with the citation templates, which really don't allow us to reuse information about sources, analyze this information, discussing it, and collaboratively curating this information pretty much in the same way as we do this with content. And about two years ago, we started an initiative called Wikisite, whose goal was to try and address this problem. Since 2005, there have been countless proposals under the same name to try and improve the way in which information about sources is stored in Wikipedia projects. In 2016, a group of community members supported by WMF picked up this vision of building a collaborative repository of sources to serve the sum of all human knowledge by leveraging Wikidata as its key infrastructure. The goal of Wikisite is to treat citations as first-class citizens in Wikipedia projects by creating a Wikidata entry about every single source that's cited across our Wikipedia projects. The outcome of this is to have new workflows that allow us to facilitate the way in which our volunteer communities discuss, analyze, curate, vet, and reuse information about sources across all of our projects. So we started working towards this vision in 2016 with a fairly small group of people. We didn't really know what we were about to do back then. In 2017, we hosted a much larger event, a three-day event in Vienna. We convened about 100 attendees from 22 countries. We had 16 conference presentations. We had 17 summit sessions, 38 lightning talks, 20 hackathon demos. And it's hard to say that while these communities produced exceeded by far our expectations. So today I'd like to share with you my personal selection of highlights. There's much more that these communities produced than what I'm going to present today. But these are some of the key highlights that I'm pretty excited about. So first off, not many of you may know that as of today, one out of three items in Wikidata, 33% of Wikidata, represents bibliographic metadata about sources. Books, news articles, scholarly papers. This is an example of the entry on Charles Darwin's book on the origin of species. And you can see all the information that Wikidata has about this work. And to give an example about what this coverage means in practice, 30% of items in Wikidata are about creative works, like books, news articles, scholarly papers. And to give an example about what this coverage means, we now have a really large body of curated information about scholarly journals in Wikidata. This is how Wikidata compares with the Web of Science, which represents the largest, most authoritative database about scholarly journals. So we have a larger, and I want to say probably higher quality body of information about journals than Web of Science does. We have data models made with love and hours of Wiki, labor by our communities to describe a variety of creative works. It's a diagram to represent metadata of books and their editions. And on top of storing information about sources, we're also growing a graph of links representing citations across sources. This is all stored in Wikidata. And so as of today, we have about 36 million citation links that represent how a given source sites another source, a resource that up until now didn't exist, if not in proprietary databases, which is now available to the public under CC0 through Wikidata. And of course, the value of a repository of sources doesn't just come from importing bibliographic data, but also by connecting this information to everything else that exists in Wikidata. So as of today, we have about 1.9 million statements that have been created connecting items about sources to items about their authors. And we have 1.4 million statements that connect these sources to the main topic of a source, which allows you to do something that was impossible up until now, which is filtering and discovering sources as a function of their topic, their author, the gender of the author, the geographic providence of the author, and so on and so forth. The community has built some really impressive open source applications for exploring this data, such as Skolia or Inventair. It's an example of the reports that you get from Skolia, fully driven by the Wikidata query service, a co-author graph for Skolia author, location of recipients of a Skolia award, really rich data can now be surfaced thanks to these applications. And we've also established a network of partner organizations that are helping us connect that everything exists in Wikimedia projects with this much broader ecosystem of catalogs and digital connections and external repositories of information. These are just a few of the organizations that we've been working with. Also, and most importantly, over the past three years, we've been relying on the general support of funders and affiliate organizations in the Wikimedia movement, without which none of this would have been possible. We've been presenting on this initiative at pretty much every relevant venue on the planet. Members of the Wikisite community have gone places and given talks and keynotes at more than 20 events in the past two years, including Wikimedia community events, library conferences, glam conferences, quarterly publishing events, et cetera. There is a fantastic series of blog posts and stories on Wikisites and libraries. This is one of my favorites by Katie Mika, who is a librarian at the Biodiversity Heritage Library, and spells out the role that librarians can play to contribute to this vision. And most importantly, we have a growing community that's passionate and stubborn about representing and very vocal and intensely debating data models on anything that represents sources and helping them cross-link them to the rest of the web. So this is just the beginning of a journey. And I think we have today strong support from many individual contributors in groups and organizations. But to make this vision a reality, we really needed a more concerted effort over a longer time frame, a building on the technical partnerships that I mentioned before, and engaging larger parts of the Wikimedia movement. To do so, we have submitted a proposal to our funders to sustain the initiative over a three-year time span, and we hope this is going to be successful. And of course, you can find much more than what I presented today in our annual report that we published in December and that I invite you to read. If you wish to join us, we're going to have a Wikisite sessions at the Hackathon in Barcelona at Wikimedia. The main event is going to be hosted in the fall at the location still to be identified. Or you can follow us on Meta, on Twitter, and on our mailing list. That's it for Wikisite. Thank you. Thank you, Dario. Remember, there must be questions out there, so if you have them, prepare them for the end for Dario. So, next up is Samantha, and Greg are going to talk about this meeting going Meta. So, it's actually that we're talking about this meeting that is itself going Meta. So, it turned out, we haven't actually had a conversation about this meeting in quite some time, so we thought that would be an exciting and interesting topic to do. So, first off, I'll start with introducing my name is Greg Varnum. I'm the communications strategist in the communications department. Hi, and I'm Samantha. I go by Sam. I am the comms manager at the comms department. I work a lot on media and public relations. There's probably a good chance that I've bugged you before about writing a media response together. So, I'll caveat that. But we also get to work on the metrics meetings, too. So, how do we get to this point? That's a really interesting question. The metrics meeting, actually, this is a great photo, by the way, I love this photo. It began in October 2008, not as the metrics meeting, but as the report card meeting, it was actually only for staff in the office. It was a very limited audience meeting. Over time, it expanded to other staff members, remote staff, and then, eventually, to members of internal L, and then, eventually, to the entire public, leading up to in 2012, when we started to more aggressively do the public aspect of it, actually doing recordings, putting up the page on Metawiki, and then having the live streaming. So, from 2008-2012, we had an internal focus with some increasing public elements and the transition from the report card meeting, which was literally just going over the same three or four metrics, month by month by month, and doing kind of a comparison on how we were doing with new editors, how we were doing with the reading rates, how we were doing with edit rates, things like that, to where it evolved to in 2012 to being about our activities as well. So, that brings us to 2016, where communications got involved. And I recognize there was a lot of other stuff that happened in the meeting. This was just sort of the major highlight, so this is in a detailed review. Awesome. So, as Greg said, we started, the comms team started working more closely on these meetings about a year ago. And since then, we have been experimenting with some new changes that we can make to make these meetings more closely aligned and reflective of this incredible movement that we have. We've changed a lot over the years, and so we wanted to think about how the meeting changed to also reflect that as well and make it more engaging for the folks that tune in every month and listen to it. So, I'm going to share a couple of highlights of a couple of the changes that we've made in the past year. It's not comprehensive by any means, and then Greg's going to get into some ideas for where we might go in the future and a way to get feedback from you all. So, first of all, we made some changes to the meeting format, and we've been able to experiment with that a lot over the past year. We introduced themes for some of the meetings to connect different presentations that related to a similar topic and to create a more cohesive meeting around that topic. We also changed speaking times, speaking slots. So, we experimented with other ways that we could divide the hour together with different kinds of speaking formats. So, we introduced shorter lightning talks, sometimes with slides, sometimes without slides, also more in-depth analysis of projects and tools and work that is happening across the movement. We also tried live translations thanks to a great idea by Maria Cruz for other speaker translations and also big shout out to Jorge for participating in live translation. We also experimented with guest hosting. For those of you who might have tuned in or watched the meeting after the fact, for the January meeting last month, we actually had Wikimedia Deutschland host the meeting and they facilitated and structured the entire meeting, which was actually really cool. And then lastly, we encouraged folks to present on projects or initiatives that were in progress or maybe didn't have a clear outcome to report yet. The idea being that folks in our movement could stay updated and involved throughout the process and that speakers presenting could also gather feedback and ideas from folks that were listening that they may not have thought of yet. Another change we made was we introduced more guest speakers. We had more community members join us to present their work and we invited speakers from institutions in the free knowledge ecosystem to join us. For example, we had someone from OCLC join us and the Met so that we could better understand their priorities, challenges, overlap, and ways that we might be able to collaborate within our own movement. And we started working more closely with speakers and presenters to create their presentations. So we talked about things like what would be most interesting to this audience, how much context should someone give about their presentation topics, how to present findings and lessons learned that other people might be able to use in their own work, and how to use slides as a visual tool to support your points. And we created opportunities to practice and share practical tips and experiences so that folks would feel more comfortable and hopefully want to present again in the future. So these are just a handful of some of the ways that we've been able to experiment with changes to the metrics and activities meetings. And these ideas often came from people across the foundation with a lot of support from other staff in the organization and outside the community. Big shout out to CE also for supporting us in this. And so now I will pass it back over to Greg to talk a little bit about plans for the upcoming year. So the changes over this last year, which Sam facilitated and did a great job. Let's give Sam a round of applause. He's done a great job with these meetings this last year. A lot of that was based on feedback that we received in communications about people wanting the meeting to be kind of more about the movement instead of just about the foundation. And we're curious about where that's going and where people want to see the meeting evolve in the future. I still run into the phenomenon of if I ask five people what they think metrics is and what they would like it to be, I get 15 different answers, which is an amazing math formula, but that's generally what does happen. So we're trying to kind of move that forward. What is the next evolution of this meeting going to be and how can we make it something for all of you? So those are our questions for this upcoming year and we're going to be doing more experimenting. We had somebody, it's probably the biggest question we've received since the January is clearly you guys are experimenting. You did this interesting thing with Deutschland. What other experiments do you have planned? We don't know yet actually. We know we're going to experiment. We can commit to that. What they're going to be, we haven't decided yet. And we'd like some of your help on that. So we've posted three questions that'll be up on Meadowickey. They're already up on Meadowickey or you can email us to, so you can email your answers to us as well, but they're three simple questions. Why do you attend, watch, or otherwise follow this meeting? Clearly if you're hearing these questions, you fall into that category in some way or you have amazing ESP. The second one is what do you like about this meeting? Why do you continue to show up? Why do you continue to follow it? What would you like changed about this meeting? And the third one I think in particular, we're very interested in. We'll also be adding on the Meadowickey page a place to sign up for future presentations. We recognize that a lot of times people have ideas and then by the time it comes to scheduling it, they've forgotten their ideas or weren't available anymore, so we want to try to track that a little better and we'll be moving that on to Meadowickey as well. So all of that you can find on the main Wikimedia Foundation metrics and activities page on Meadowickey. That's the main questions from us. Thanks everyone. Thank you guys. Thank you very much. All right, so next up is Catherine who will talk about strategy update. I think we're running really ahead of time too, right? Okay, this gives us lots of time for strategy. Good morning everyone. Or good afternoon or good evening depending on where you are. I was asked to come up and give a little bit of an update on what is happening next on strategy. I know everyone here at the foundation is really involved in annual planning, but outside of the foundation, folks across our movement have been aware that we said last year we were going to go through phase one of the strategic direction process. It was going to wrap up at the end of last year and then people have been waiting to hear what comes next. So I'm hoping to give a little bit of a background or update on that rather. So the good news is we have a direction. We have a strategic direction. Folks are pretty happy with it overall. We had a remarkable endorsement process that happened after Wikimania last year in October in which many of our movement organizations and individuals in our movement signed up to say, you know, they felt as though this was a good direction. This offered us something to work with. They weren't necessarily sure what exactly they were going to do to work with it or how they were going to implement against it, but they were committed to the fact that we had done this, that the process was inclusive, that the direction felt as though it was promising and that they wanted to sign up for the next phase. So that was pretty cool. Just a reminder of what the direction actually is. By 2030, Wikimedia will become the essential infrastructure of the ecosystem of free knowledge and anyone who shares in our vision will be able to join us. I think you heard a little bit about that sort of essential infrastructure for free knowledge component when Dario was speaking just now about Wikisite, for example. I think for me, at least, I interpret this as understanding we're already headed in this direction, so how do we embrace what we know we're moving towards so that we can really resource it and sort of be intentional and meaningful around it. And then, of course, anyone who shares our vision will be able to join us. I think this is really core to who we are and our vision statement, so it's just good to sort of state this as a continued principle. We, the Wikimedia contributors, communities and organizations will continue to advance our world by collecting knowledge that fully represents human diversity and by building the services and structures that enable others to do the same. So, again, that's about how do we as a community continue to do what we do, but also making that a little more expansive so that more folks can be a part of our mission. We'll carry on our mission of developing content in the past, and, of course, we're going to go further. And then knowledge is a service to serve our users. We want to be a platform that serves open knowledge to the world across different interfaces and communities. We want to build tools for allies and partners, again, that's a more expansive understanding to organize and exchange free knowledge across Wikimedia and making sure that our infrastructure that we have to do this, whether it's community infrastructure or whether it's platform infrastructure, will enable us and others to use and collect different forms of free trusted knowledge. And then knowledge equity. As a social movement, we will focus our efforts on the knowledge and communities that have been left out by structures of power and privilege. We will welcome people from every background to build a strong and diverse communities, and we're going to work to try to break down some of the social, political, and technical barriers that have excluded those who haven't been able to join us in the past. So this is what we came to as the direction, again, sort of the essential infrastructure of free knowledge, and then thinking about how do we do this in a way that's intentional and aligned with our values, thinking about knowledge as something that serves people and thinking about how we increase the equity or how do we improve knowledge equity and deepen the principle of equity in our work. So I think the question is how do we get there? What does this mean for the work that we do? What does this mean for the programmatic efforts that we undertake? What does this mean for movement organizations? What are the challenges that we might face in being able to achieve this goal? Before we take that on, I just wanted to stop to highlight what we have today to build on. We have a strategic direction with broad-based support across the movement. We have a lot of resources and research from phase one. I don't know, for those of you who haven't spent the time on it, Wikimedia 2030, 2030.wikimedia.org is a remarkable treasure trove of information, not just about the Wikimedia movement, but about the world of knowledge that we live in today. It is really fascinating, and I encourage folks to take a look at it. But what we would sort of point to is that we had and did all this research which informed the strategic direction, and yet there's probably a lot more that we can do to mine that research and all the conversations that we had to think about what does that mean for the plans that we build, how do we understand the world that we're living in, and really incorporate that into the planning that we do across the movement. A window of opportunity that is wide open right now. It was phase one. Now it's phase two. We should get going. A community are the assets that we currently have as a movement, our community, our identity, the strength of our brand, the relationships that we have in the world, and then interest and engagement from different movement groups who are already working to try to contextualize the direction in their own work. So there's some links here that talk about some of the works that other groups are doing already. Which brings us to phase two. So I just want to pause to talk about the big picture. For those of you who are at all hands, you may have seen this already. In last year, we really thought of that as a strategy year working to try to understand the direction, pull ourselves together, try to orient the movement in one, in sort of a all heading in the same direction. We're really thinking of this as a transition year, a year for us to understand what are the questions that we need to ask ourselves about how do we implement the direction, how do we understand and contextualize it, or apply it to our own work. What are the things that we need to do as movement organizations or as individuals to prepare or align ourselves or wind down things that perhaps are not as aligned. And as we're growing into the foundations work for the annual planning, I'll talk a little bit more about what that means for us. And then this is, calendar years are kind of a construct. January isn't actually a time when everything rolls over and changes. So to say that 2018 to 2019 is a transition year and 2019 to 2020 is the first year is really meant to just sort of be an indicator. It's not actually how we see this working in practice. What we understand is that this year is going to roll into starting to really align ourselves with the direction and start doing work against it. But next year will be the first year in which everything that we do from a planning perspective is fully aligned with the direction. So it's not that next year all of a sudden we're being strategic. It's more that next year is the first year in which hopefully everything that we're doing is really has some sort of connection to the strategic direction. So hopefully this year we'll start to see that transition and more and more of our work will be aligned with it. So the work ahead. I recently had the chance to go to Berlin to talk with some of our colleagues at Wikimedia Deutschlands, specifically Nicole Eber, who had been working on the phase one part with our movement organizations. And we identified some of these questions at different levels of our movement around what we need to address in the work ahead. So at every level of the movement, whether that's at the individual level or the project level or the wiki project level or in our different communities or in our movement organizations, what are the questions that we need to ask ourselves about how we evolve in a healthy way? How do we need to change or adapt or what is it that we need to move towards as we move towards this direction of an essential infrastructure for free knowledge? Across the movement, and I really think about this as like the places in which we're connected. So the space between ourselves and at the Wikimedia Foundation and folks who are doing work in the Glam community or the space between the Glam community and the chapters, for example, or the space between the chapters and the user groups, what are the critical questions that we as a movement need to address around roles, resources and responsibilities in order to effectively move forward? So one way that we've been talking about this is we have this incredible organic infrastructure that has evolved over time that supports our movement across a variety of different geographic regions and languages and sectoral expertise, but it's been really organic. And if we were to stop and take a look today at what might we actually structure this in an intentional way to be the most successful that we could be in advancing our mission, what would that look like? And so we want to ask ourselves these questions and think about what we need to change or evolve or adapt or just reinforce in order to be successful. And then at the movement organization level, so that's at the level of perhaps a user group or the foundation, you know, how do we apply this? What are the programs that we need to undertake? What are the, what's the work that we need to do in a really practical sense? How does this affect each of our work day to day? What are the first priorities that we need to take on? You know, everything is one step or one foot in front of the other and whatever goals we have 15 years from now may require sort of a first set of actions that we need to undertake in order to get there 15 years into the future. And then for projects and individuals, what are the priorities for the individual Wikimedia projects? What are the sort of the sticking points or the pain points? What do contributors need and care about? Or in other words, the layers that we've been thinking about this are sort of at the conceptual level, the structural level, the programmatic level, and the tactical level. And you can, of course, this slide will be available later, but some of the links go into things like at the bottom at the tactical level for our projects and our communities and individual contributors. We did, during the consultation last year, we got a lot of feedback about things people would like to see changed in the project or ideas for tools or ideas for sort of product developments. We put that all into a report and we said, you know, these are really tactical level changes as opposed to strategic level ideas, but they're still really valuable. And so how might we think about implementing them? So this is sort of the different layers of work that we anticipate. And there are going to be different parties responsible for working on this depending on what your role is in the movement or how you contribute or what role you play within a movement organization, for example. So what is the scope of phase two? Well, you know, as I said, we want to become the essential infrastructure for free knowledge, but we're many different pieces and groups. We are very complex. We have different strengths. So how do we move forward? And what we're seeing this as is really sort of a split into two different ways of proceeding. The first is for movement organizations and groups like the foundation. You know, we have annual plans and annual budgets and we need to move that forward. And so the first question is how do we as an institution or how do other institutions think about their work? How do individuals think about their work? How do they move that forward in a really practical sense as they seek to contextualize and apply the strategic direction? And the second is about those sort of spaces in between the infrastructure that I mentioned earlier of the movement as a whole. And we're going to be launching a phase two process around that. And so I'm going to talk about that a little bit before I talk about what this means for the foundation. So at the movement level with phase two, what's going to be the same? Well, we're probably going to have some sort of process. We're going to have a core team that is responsible for doing the heavy lifting of keeping things going on time, making sure there's documentation. We're going to assemble working groups and advisors from across the movement. We're going to conduct research. We're going to make sure all that effort is available on Wiki. We're going to consult broadly across many different languages. And we're going to use Wikimedia conference and Wikimania as opportunities to consult with our communities, get feedback. And then we're going to have some recommendations at the end to the whole movement. And we're going to see how they're adopted or interpreted. What is going to be different? Well, the foundation in Wikimedia Deutschland are working together on this. So last year in phase one, we really sort of centralized a lot of the effort out of the foundation just to keep the process moving forward. It was obviously, you know, lots of different consultative parties on it, whether it was in the committees working around designing the process or giving feedback on the direction. Many different people from across the movement participated. But nonetheless, most of the work was sort of hosted from within the foundation. This coming phase, we're working with Wikimedia Deutschland to think about how we can distribute some of those responsibilities and really embed this interpretation and these next steps across our movement so it's more broadly owned than just by one centralized body. The core team will be primarily made up of Wikimedians and people from Wikimedia organizations. So last time we brought in external consultants to help us structure and organize this. And they worked really closely with our movement partners and with folks in the foundation. But nonetheless, there was a third party. This time we're really looking to build that team out of our movement so that we can start to deepen the expertise that's involved in making this work real and make sure that there's broader ownership. And our efforts will be focused on how we can be successful against making progress against this direction rather than interpreting it or giving it new meaning. And so one of the things we said at the end of phase one when we went through the endorsement process was that we kind of have to get alignment on this direction and then we think about how to move it forward rather than, okay, we've got a direction now let's sort of open it up again for reimagining or reinterpretation. So we have a lot more clarity and sort of a narrow scope on this and we already have some initial areas of exploration from phase one. And so if you go to again the site 2030.wikimedia.org you can find some links on Meta as to what some of those initial areas of exploration might be. So here are some of those initial areas of exploration. Some potential key themes that came up were things like roles, governance and structures. How do we live up to the value of equity in our global structures? As I said at the beginning, if we were to reinterpret or reimagine or imagine afresh what it would mean to have a global movement structure. What would that look like? So those are some questions we might ask. Resources of funding and capacities. How do we rethink development, capacity building, learning and events and revenue models all of which count as resources in terms of expertise and time, but also financial resources so that they reflect our values of service and equity. And then responsibilities. We've talked a little bit about how increasingly some of different parts around the movement have increasing specialization and expertise. How might we tap into that? How might we foster and facilitate that? Certainly as we've talked about the evolution of the foundation, we know that we're not the experts in everything across our whole movement. Are there ways that we can support these emerging areas of expertise so that they can really strengthen our movement as a whole? So those are some of the questions that we'll be asking. And then you can see the themes and questions will be defined and prioritized in consultation with the movement as a whole. So these are just some examples that came out of what we talked about in phase one. And then the recommendations will be worked on by working groups. I don't have a total definition of the process yet, where we really want the core team that we're going to assemble to help us to find that process. And here is a bit of a roadmap. It goes through 2020 because the work is never done. But that doesn't mean that we're finally going to be done with the strategic direction or anything in 2020. As I said earlier, some folks are already working on this in their core work as we've been talking about annual planning. I know that there's been conversations around a cross-departmental program here at the foundation on platform evolution that we're trying to find with the strategic direction. So this is really just meant to give an indication that we really want to see this as constant interpretation and iteration in order to make sure we're really being effective from a programmatic standpoint. But we see this issue of trust in relationships as being really important, a constant evolution and change process as we move in that direction, research and data around... Oh, sorry, that's what we have already. Roles and responsibilities, then individual level, contextualizing the direction of organizations or individual groups and then the tactical stuff. And what you can see down at the bottom here is that there are going to be different layers of responsibility and support for these different efforts. So some things are going to happen at movement organization or individual levels. Some things are going to be led by this core team. Before I go into what this means for the foundation, I just wanted to add one last thing. We've been talking with Wikimedia Deutschland about organizing this core team. We've been defining some of these responsibilities. And for those who are watching either in the foundation or in the movement, what we'd like to do is make the descriptions of those responsibilities and job descriptions on the core team available. So if you're interested in being a part of that core team, that you can let Nicole or myself know and we'd really love you to join. So that's just a sort of offer to make it a broad open process for folks who are interested in being a part of this next part of the effort. So phase two for the Wikimedia Foundation. What does this mean for annual planning? What does this mean for the year to come? As I mentioned, this transition year that we're in. Oops, I want to go to the side first. The annual plan is meant to over the course of the last couple months we've been talking about as we build this annual plan really making sure that there's time for folks to think about what they need to do to start planning for the strategic direction. So the general guidance that we've been giving to C levels in the organization is to bring up about 20% of your capacity to be able to work on this and start moving things forward because we recognize that already at this organization most people are actually planned to 120% which leaves very little slack to take on additional work let alone react to the things that just happened throughout the course of the year. So we've been targeting 20% which maybe means that people get scheduled to just 100% but even that would really be a significant improvement. So be more definitive about what you plan to do in quarters one and two because that's the near term future and give yourself more flexibility in quarters three and four because as those priorities for the movement or how the strategic direction will be implemented become clearer we want you to have the flexibility to adapt your work to them. So more clarity around quarters one and two a little bit more space to be flexible in quarters three and four and that's actually okay with the flexibility. So I'm going to go back what does this timeline look like I apologize I'm not very good at building timelines kind of ugly but we are now in q3 still we're still in q3 we're still in q3 cool and as you can see we're really in this process of annual planning right now as of April 1st we reopen up the annual plan for community feedback and we get consultation on that is open to the world I mean for a lot of folks the majority of the heavy lifting on annual planning is done so what we want to then do is start training our brains around you know the first level priorities that we would want to work on as part of the strategic direction so if we say the essential infrastructure for free knowledge if we talk about knowledge equity what are the things that we would need to take on as priorities to address this and it might be hey I really need to do this thing within my own department in order to be ready to even ask these questions it might be you know we really need to address this really sort of sticky question in the platform evolution cross departmental program but what we are saying is you know we're gonna want these priorities sort of the one foot in front of the other as we go into this medium term three to five year plan that we can actually say we're going to say that these are priorities for the next three to five years and we're gonna work on them and we want to be able to put them forward to the community to make sure that they resonate with the community itself so that's kind of what we see ourselves doing in Q4 so that what we can do is at Wikimania share those priorities with the community for their feedback and I don't know exactly what those priorities are going to be I don't have great examples of it because I think that that's sort of an emergent process but we want to be able to share those first priorities with the community for their feedback at Wikimania and then get consultation on them over the course of the first quarter of next year and then what we'd like to do is to work to convert those priorities to a medium term plan so I'm going to keep using the example of platform evolution because it's kind of already in the works and that's really talking about you know what is the future for our media wiki teams and how do we want to think about sort of the next steps for for media wiki and what's that roadmap and so we could say that you know the first priority is that we just want to evolve the platform and then what we would say is hey community this is our priority what do you think we feel like this is the first step over the course of you know between now and 2030 we need to really focus on this for the next three to five years and here's you know what we think we just think this is a priority community says yes absolutely that's great we agree this is a priority converting that to a plan would then say what is the roadmap what are the milestones how long is this going to take how many additional people are we going to need to work on it who are the partners that are going to need to be involved what are the really tricky questions and how do we figure out how to address them one by one and so that process of converting things to a medium term plan will happen in Q2 and then what we'd really like to have is a three to five year medium term plan that gives us guidance and more continuity so that we have clarity over what we're trying to achieve over a medium term I think a lot of us at the foundation end up doing work that really focuses on an annual cycle but again that annual cycle is sort of an artifice some things take six months some things take nine months some things take 36 months and we really want to be able to accommodate for that so we've got more continuity and hopefully make annual planning in the future much easier because you say hey we're really working on this thing that we've already been planning for for some time and that's it I guess right so the three to five year term plan and then of course planning starts again with annual planning which we're hoping to really make more about budgeting and you can just sort of see where these sort of critical points along like movement collaborations or moments in the movement around Wikimedia conference or Wikimedia or the like I think that is it are we at time? We're at time? Perfect I was just going to say you've seen these goals really quickly for this transition year we really want to focus on a knowledge equity growing new contributors and content so if you've been working on your annual plan you know that growing new contributors and content is a priority knowledge as a service increasing reach in audiences and investing in foundational strengths so evolving our systems and structures and that is it thank you Thank you Thank you Catherine so now it's time for questions and discussion so you can come up to the mic over here James is managing any IRC questions anything on IRC yet James? Hi I've got a question from Subu for Dario which he may have already read spoilers does the Wikidata set cover everything in the Journal of Science set and as for the rest of Wikidata are they a gap in the Journal of Science set or are they not quality sources? Yeah so it's a great question so the the design of Wikidata aims to cover as a very first goal what cited across Wikimedia projects and there are major gaps even in that books stands out as a really complex problem to tame because of complexity in the data model when it comes to the scholarly literature the coverage is actually pretty good there are also data sets on Wikidata that go beyond what's already in Wikimedia projects so the the coverage the comparison with Web of Science is really at the Journal level so we have entries that represent the metadata about journals and there are reach and well articulated compared to what exists in Web of Knowledge which is also by itself a very curated database of journals there are millions of periodicals and serials that are not included in Web of Knowledge Web of Science so hopefully that clarifies the scope of yep Any other questions? I don't see any hands in the room anyone Anything else on IRC? Okay I'll do a little dance while everyone's catching up it's hard to dance without music Anne Gomez You can just use this Hi Catherine I guess this is a question for you so I'm wondering as we're talking about this being a transition year and being a time to kind of refocus and getting ready for this plan that's coming I've been kind of running into a little bit of a tension between that and the ask for growth and I'm wondering if you can just kind of speak to how you're thinking about that because it's a little bit hard to say okay then our teams are really going to be focused on preparing and maybe things that I would imagine being sunsetting and cleaning up our processes while also looking for these big KPIs So I think there's two different ways of thinking about growth One is the growth which I'm sure you saw the that has rollers on it doesn't it That's alright Thank you Thanks for having my back Cool One is the board statement on investing in the organization which was around growing the amount of resources whether staff or budget that is available to the organization for our future and if you look at the way we're thinking about growth in that sense we're really trying to do is say where are the places that have been chronically under resourced to date and how do we make sure that they have the resources that they need in order to be a little bit less chronically under resourced and so the very first thing that we saw in this was additional capacity in the SRE team formerly known as OPS because that's a team that was chronically under resourced and needed more capacity and so there's growth in that sense and so we haven't gotten to the place but I think we are going to see additional growth in some sort of core areas that historically we've wanted to do work on and just haven't had the capacity to do or areas in which we have had one person doing three people's jobs we want this to be a saner place to work for people and so that's kind of the priority there now, growth in terms of KPIs I'll be honest with you I think we should have KPIs every year whether it's a transition year or not I think that one of the things that we as an organization need to be doing is holding ourselves accountable to that work and then we can change or discontinue or move in a different direction or iterate if that work itself is proving not to be effective and so we're encouraging folks to set KPIs not necessarily because we think we're going to hit all of them out of the park this first time around but because it gives us a baseline for us to experiment around what it is that we should be doing in order to just be good at things like increasing our contributors I think we talked about this a little bit at all hands but I think there's an assumption that this is the work that we do every single year but if you actually go back and look at our annual plans and if you look at the work that we've done and our ability to measure against whether we've done that work it'd be really hard to demonstrate that we have in fact been growing contributors or that we have in fact been increasing reach and yet I think that's implicit in what our responsibility is to make a media foundation to actually do so we're encouraging people to set KPIs not necessarily because we expect everybody to reach all of them they're really meant to be sort of a tool to say hey are we doing this work you know how successful do we make it 30% of the way do we make it 80% of the way those are indicators in and of themselves did we make it 100% of the way or 150 and did we actually sandbag and didn't realize that we could be more successful to start to be just more accountable to ourselves and more accountable to our communities as to whether we're making progress here and because it's come up in a couple conversations I just want to be really clear if folks if we set these goals and we don't make them that's a learning process in and of itself and that's okay that's not a punitive outcome or that's not going to result in a punitive outcome it's just a way for us to evaluate what's working and what's not and then think about how we evolve I don't know if that answers your question maybe gives you additional perspective perhaps yeah that's okay so I think for me the thing that gets a little bit tricky around this is the language and maybe this is my different experience from yours but the language between KPIs versus targets or goals right there's something a little bit different about performance indicators as in terms of like a business performance versus things that we're using for team reflection goals and goal setting yeah that's a great point that's also super cool necklace it's a dinosaur I don't know if folks can see that that's a good point I don't have an answer for you right now because I would actually want to take a look at the specific language in the annual planning documents in order to be able to provide more reflection on that but I hear what you're saying around the targets that we set for ourselves versus this idea of like is the organization performing at the top level I think we will take a look at that as we get into the end as we at the C team look at everything over the course of evaluating all the programs and the budget and the like it's a good thing to keep top of mind thank you any other questions not on IRC I don't see any in the room how are we doing on time I can't see a clock yeah okay so now it's time for wiki love where we express our thanks and oh clicker clicker wiki love okay looks like we have Danny to express some wiki love hi hi for anybody who doesn't know me on the call whatever I'm Danny horn director of product management for the contributors team and I only became that very recently like less than a month ago I was the the community tech team which runs the community wish list every year and so starts every calendar year with 10 brand new projects to investigate and then get people working on not the most awesome time for that team for me to be able to step back from that and not be doing that and a couple of people who are very special have stepped up to run that process and run that team Trevor Bolliger back there who is the product management or the product manager for the anti-harassment tools team is now also taking charge of the community wish list as a whole and then Niharika Kohli over here is a developer who's been with the community tech team for a few years and we've been working for a little while on the goal and she has a becoming product manager full-time and right now as I've been stepping back both Trevor and Niharika have taken on the challenge of running the community tech team and doing all that investigation and getting people working on stuff they are both really remarkable for just taking that on and just rocking it so far at least I shouldn't say so far at least they are rocking it and I'm super proud and I just wanted to recognize y'all and tell you how much I love you Any other wiki love there to be expressed here comes Greg Hi, so annual planning is happening people have talked about it a few times it's kind of a stressful time it's kind of a confusing time especially for people trying to do all the work and that means everybody so I just want to thank Joel and Deb for all the support and clarity that they've given the technology team because in past years it's been I don't want to curse bad confusing but this year it's been bad and confusing but in new and different ways and I think they're helping so thank you a lot for those two Anything else? Did see a question? No? Sorry Any other wiki love to express here so I think we may unless anyone stops me conclude our meeting for the day Thanks everyone


Welcome to theCUBE's coverage of KubeCon EU 2024, live from Paris, France. Join hosts Savannah Peterson, Dustin Kirkland, and Rob Streche as they interview some of the brightest minds in cloud native computing. Coverage of KubeCon cloud native con is brought to you by Red Hat, CNCF, and its ecosystem partners. theCUBE's coverage of KubeCon EU 2024 begins right now. Good afternoon nerd fam and welcome back to KubeCon cloud native con here in fantastic Paris, France. My name is Savannah Peterson and I am very delighted to have a return guest on with us this afternoon and one of my favorite, most creative guests that we have. Cassandra, thank you so much for making the time to join me today. How are you doing? I'm really happy to be here today with you. Me too, this is a great reunion. We first had you on the show in Amsterdam. You showed us the game that you had made about leveraging Kubernetes. You teach about Kubernetes. You're one of the most important people in this ecosystem in terms of educating young people. How did you decide to, well, what drives your passion rather for helping other people, specifically young people, learn about Kubernetes? Well, there actually is a book called The Illustrated Guide to Kubernetes and the goal of that book is for developers to take that kid, take the book home and show their kids and explain what Kubernetes is. So I wanted to take that a step further and really dub it down. Well, and simplify it. Simplify, yeah. I think one of the things that I've found in your demos and your teaching, even in our conversations, is you have a wonderful way of taking something that is incredibly complex, Kubernetes. Everyone in this room, no matter your technical skillset, would agree that managing Kubernetes is complex and make it so accessible. So in between the last time I saw you and today, you've published a new book. This is absolutely fantastic. I want to point out that Cassandra is such a good marketer. You actually sent it to me in advance of KubeCon, one of a few hundred recipients that were fortunate enough to have their first copy. I mean, just check this out. There's so much, and oh, I want to point out actually, one of the first things that I noticed, you can see on the cover too, but the illustrated book is set in Paris. We're in Paris. You obviously thought about it, and you probably chose to do that after they had announced Paris. So you must have done this in the last year, correct? Yeah, I've been working on this since about January 1st. That's it? Just since January? Yeah.  You came up with an idea and published a book in 90 days. That's amazing. So what's your process like? What's the creative process? For me, I just take a piece of paper and I start drawing pictures, and some of those pictures lead to good ideas. I kind of do it like a comic book form to have my ideas flow across. Yeah. And so you worked with an illustrator, correct, on this book. How many iterations, how many different versions of the book and the visuals here did you go through before we ended up where we are? Well, personally on my desk I have a stack of papers, maybe this thick after scribbling a bunch. Yeah. And my illustrator has his own stack of papers. So there's a little bit of work that goes into this. Yeah, but for the first version of the book, or I guess sketches I drew, I divided a single sheet of paper into nine squares and I just hand drew each scene what I thought it should look like. Then I cut up the pieces of paper, rearranged my ideas, scrapped some pieces, drew some more. It helps with the story flow. It's good, it's all part of the creative process. How did you decide, I mean, how did you know this is the next thing, the next tool you wanted to create for folks? Well, I've been teaching kids workshops for a very long time, since I was 13 years old. Incredible. And I think it's really great, I can make an impact on the 20, 30 kids I teach that day. But it's only 20, 30 kids. There's a lot more kids out there. How can I get my content accessible to everyone? So I think this book is the answer to that. I can compress my content into an easy, readable format which parents can share with their kids and become the teachers for them. Yeah, and parents can learn.  And I encouraged him to read it to learn as a gateway into the industry which I think is super awesome. So you've been teaching since you were 13, if you don't mind me asking, how old are you now? I'm 20. So you've been teaching kids workshops for seven of the 10 years that Kubernetes has been a tool. That's pretty impressive. That's got to put you in a category of folks who are the elite teachers of Kubernetes. You did a book signing, how was that? I think it was really successful. So there were a lot of people, they all queued up in front and eventually started blocking traffic through the venue. I mean, your dad was telling me that it wound all the way through.  Yeah, a little bit. But from my seat, because of the angle, it's a little hard to see how far the line goes. But eventually they wrapped the line around in a big zigzag. That is so impressive. So how long were you signing books then? Over an hour, maybe two hours. That, wow. How many books do you think you've given out at the show? It's hard to put a real number on it, but during the book signing itself, maybe 80 books, probably, is how many I got out. That's a lot. But I've also been walking around handing books to people who come talk to me personally. That's so fun. So you just come with a big box of books? Yeah, pretty much. And I load it up in my backpack.  So have you thought about what you're going to create next? Because we're headed to Salt Lake City, and then we're going to London. So I'm curious if you're going to maybe do another book and more videos. I think the book is actually a really great way to reach more audiences. This is not concrete yet, but this book is about AI, but it's not about gen AI. Yeah. So I think we need a book on gen AI, because that's what people are hyped about. Absolutely. And kids use chat GPT and Google Gemini, which are gen AI technologies, but they don't actually understand what goes behind it. It's kind of a magic box. Yeah, no, I think you're absolutely right. I think that would be super useful. And I mean, we've never seen a tool get adopted as fast as gen AI has in terms of the user base. So all right, I'm looking forward to the next book there. What has been the most interesting part of the show for you this week? I think it's the busiest KubeCon I've been to. Yeah, I mean, most people ever, over 12,000 people here, it's the biggest KubeCon of all time. Does it feel like Kubernetes is more mainstream to you now than it did before? To be honest, I'm not sure. I can't read into the minds of everyone to see if they're actually using Kubernetes. It definitely looks more popular, but I'm not sure how that translates to actual adoption. I think that's a really important statement. Yes, and so you're teaching this week as well too, yeah? Yeah, I'll be teaching the kids workshop at CNCF Kids Day. Which is rad. How many students are you expecting? We're expecting, there's four workshops total, but 70 kids for the event. Wow. This book also has a workshop in it. Of course it does, naturally. So it's an AI workshop. It's all in Scratch. And a lot of us already know what Scratch is, so it's very approachable. Parents have the confidence they can teach their kids Scratch. That's great. And for the Scratch, I have an AI extension. So it's not just Scratch. Right. This is the scanning page for the book, which you need for the workshop. And so how cute are these characters, sidebar? This is just, I want to learn from all of them. So for the workshop, maybe you want to train Fippy. So you hold Fippy up to the camera, and you take about 20 pictures of Fippy, and that creates a neural network of the photos you created. Wow. And when you hold Fippy back up again, the program knows that it's Fippy. So kind of similar to the facial recognition technology on our phones, for example, to unlock them. Yeah, but facial recognition feels a bit magical. So this kind of reduces it and makes it easy to understand. Fippy makes it more approachable. Yes. Yes. Do you think that, I think it's actually really unique that the Cloud Native Foundation has these characters, has a giraffe-like Fippy. Do you think that that helps people learn about these projects in general? I think it brings awareness to Cloud Native. Yeah. Because you know like the go-gofer from Golang? Yeah. So I knew about the go-gofer since I was 3 or 4 years old. Wow. Because there was a go-gofer plushie in our house. So I think it's the same thing for Fippy. Just you have the Fippy plushie in your house because your dad brought it home. Yeah. It kind of grows up with you, and you kind of know Cloud Native exists. Yeah, no kidding. That's, I think that's actually a really good point. And there is actually, there's a really impressive amount of Kubernetes swag. I saw they've got button-ups. There's Fippy's sweatshirt with the little ears. There's a whole, it's a whole vibe. There's a whole Kubernetes fashion is a thing, which is not a sentence I ever thought I would say in my life. But that's actually pretty fun. Outside of being an incredible teacher and author, what are you working on in school? In my school, I'm doing a computer science degree. And what are you hoping to do when you graduate? Because you're a third year now. You're about to be not too far away from being done with school. I want to have a base fundamental of programming. But I don't want that to be my day job. I think it would be better to enable other people to do programming and make them heard, because there's a lot of people doing cool projects, but they don't have the same visibility. You are all about impact and teaching and inspiring. I love that. Who inspires you? Who do you look up to? Well, my dad is the one who decided I should teach kids workshops from such a young age. So I've just been working on it.  My first workshop, I was very nervous. I was shaking. Oh my gosh, I bet. Yeah. And do you practice a lot before you do a workshop? I actually never practice.  Yeah. I like that. That's a little more my style. That's very fun. What do you think are some of the coolest applications of AI? Or what sort of problems do you hope that AI solves in our world? I think the largest problem we have now is cars. There's a lot of accidents. Yes, a ton. And I think we could prevent that. I think it's really sad that if you actually Google statistics for accidents, it's unreasonably high. And it's something which should be avoidable, because we are the ones who choose to get in the car and drive. So I think I hope AI can solve it with self-driving cars. I like that. I'm in San Francisco. There's self-driving cars all over the place. And I'm here for it. I would love to see more lives saved. That's a nice thing. Let's talk about where you hope the industry is, this whole cloud-native industry, when we get the chance to sit down next time. So either in London or in Salt Lake City, what do you hope that we can talk about? Or what do you hope that we get to see out of this ecosystem? You've been a part of the ecosystem for seven years. You're someone who's seen it really evolve and mature. I think I hope to see more AI integration with cloud-native. I'm actually on this AI working group, which their goal is to integrate AI to cloud-native. Because right now, there's kind of a divide. You have AI developers, cloud-native developers. They don't really know how to talk to each other. So we need to work on that relationship. I think that's an extremely important thing. There's a lot of hype, but I haven't seen a lot of things actualized to your point. I definitely agree with you. I hope more of it gets actualized and becomes practical for a day-to-day life. Yeah, absolutely. And that's when we're going to save lives with cars or in healthcare or all the really cool applications, not the scary applications that people are talking about. Do you think that Kubernetes is having its Linux moment? Do you think that it's now become a standard across the board? Um, like I was saying earlier, it's definitely hyped up, but are people actually using it? I feel like there's a lot of big sponsorships here, which aren't even related to Kubernetes. I agree. Yeah, it's interesting. It's a very, it's a whole little buzzy atmosphere, and yeah, it's interesting. How many students do you think you've taught over the last seven years? Um, I did go back on my LinkedIn profile and put all my experiences for each workshop I taught. So I'd say about 25 sessions across the world. Wow, that's pretty impressive. So that's hundreds, maybe thousands. Yeah, probably. Probably thousands, oh my goodness. So what is your advice to a young person who might be watching us, or they don't have to be young, frankly, someone watching us today who's curious about the space, but doesn't know where to start outside of getting your book, which they should obviously do? Probably the best way to start is just find a local developer conference and walk around, maybe watch a few sessions, and it kind of shows you what the real world is. Yeah, and I think it's, you know, walk around, say hello. This community is really welcoming. Don't you agree? I definitely agree. I've never felt lost here. Like, I thought I would be lost because it's all adults who are like this tall, but they all talk to me when I speak up. Yeah, no, I feel welcome. I don't have a technical background. I can't code. And I feel very welcome here as well. And I just think it's awesome. It's a sweet, it's a really sweet community. So I have to ask, because this is a really unique opportunity, would you mind autographing my copy of my book? Yeah, so I'd love to sign it for you. Thank you so much. This is Rad. Can you believe for everyone? Seriously, one of the most impressive young people I have ever met. Cassandra, thank you so much for being on the show and for joining me. And more importantly, thank you for reaching out. I was so impressed when I got that LinkedIn DM from you, asking if you could send me a copy of the book. I am absolutely blown away by you in every sense of the word. And I feel very lucky to sit here next to you. So thank you. I'm really happy about that. Thank you. Yes, and thank all of you for tuning in to this special fantastic segment. Be sure and pick up your copy of Phippie's AI Friends book. When you have the opportunity, I believe it's on Amazon, yes, correct? Yes. Yes, you can get it on Amazon. It's also a French version of it. Naturally, of course there's a French version of it because we're here in Paris. Cassandra's fantastic. Make sure you check out more of her work. And if you have kids, send your kids to her workshop to learn about Kubernetes. So much impressive stuff happening on this stage today. Thank you all. We're in Paris, France, at KubeCon, CloudNativeCon. My name's Savannah Peterson. You're watching theCUBE, the leading source for enterprise tech news.


in the background. Hello everyone. It is been easier your community outreach specialist and PIO for the Pasco Sheriff's Office and today I am bringing you a simple video. It's simple but really weighted because Deputy Christopher Stone is back working at the agency. He was injured not too long ago. Boom! And he just did an actual press conference earlier today but you guys know who would I be if I didn't grab him and do what I'm told to get you guys a video too. So we're kind of going to talk about the same stuff I guess or whatever pops up into my head. I'll stop rambling. Say hey. Are you happy? Hi everyone. Yes. Happy to be back to work and back to my normal everyday life per se. For the people that don't know you, who are you? Who are you? I'm Deputy Stone. I'm a canine handler. Who's your canine? Oh I have canine J.R. Oh that beautiful boy. Insert clip here. You're welcome. There you go. There you go, Ham. We're happy to be back. We're glad. We're happy. Not to, that was a loaded question. It's okay. We're gonna leave this in because it's just the reality of the situation. This is what happens. This is what happens. We are constantly working. But not to ask you a loaded question but you are, you're happy to be back. Glad to get back into a regular routine of work and whatnot. What was J.R. doing throughout this whole time? He was being lazy. Was he? He was being lazy. Right by your side? Yeah well sometimes right by my side. So we use very high drive dogs and so sometimes the high drive dogs make great work dogs. But not so much great house beds because they're high drive. They always want something to do. So there were times he was being lazy and then there were times he was being very annoying. Because he wanted to go back to work. It's like a best of the both worlds. You know I feel like it hypes you up a bit more. Make sure you kind of maybe aggravating you want to get back to work even quicker. Yeah but you I feel you were back pretty quick this happened. So for those of you that don't know what happened do you want to just break it down? So on June 8th we had a domestic violence call down in the 7th Springs area and during that call we were trying to arrest the suspect and he ended up ambushing us inside the house and I was shot with a AK-47 in my leg. Ended up doing some damage and completely severing my femoral artery and vein so they had to go in and harvest a vein from one of my legs to repair the artery. I ended up with some blood clots in my leg so they had to they had to take those out. Spent a few days in ICU and then physical therapy from that on out. Just working at it so I can get back to work. And how so you said June 8th today is August 22nd about two and a half months? Roughly I actually came back to work on the 12th of August. Was it incredible? Which part? Coming back to work. Yes. Don't appreciate that. So just to I mean if you guys I will link below the press conference if you want to watch that in an entirety it's absolutely incredible that you are back at work that you you're walking. Walking, running, climbing, jumping, fences. Still going on calls, still going on tracks. All of it. Exactly. You still are just as capable as you were beforehand. Didn't stop you. Did you would you approach the situation any differently? Of course not. I still had and to this time I've been on calls where I've walked through the doors and been inside and just handled business like I did before June 8th. Yeah this is what you signed up to do and you still love it. I still love it. I still love it. I'm trying to think what else. You know what watching the BWC video you guys have seen a shortened version of it you have not seen the full graphic nature of the actual BWC but there's a tourniquet that is used in that video and recently we have started putting in the high schools and middle schools stop the bleed kids which are literally meant for situations like this. It just talks it goes to show the importance of training those that are younger because you God forbid something happens but they have the knowledge to prep themselves and our deputies were incredible in that video the neighbor Bill Ricky Bill Ricky he was incredible too. I feel like I'm kind of jumping all over the place but that's how my brain the tourniquet so definitely the tourniquet quickclod they actually fire rescue actually use quickclod when we were in the ambulance pack pack the bullet hole with quickclod but that was after the tourniquet was applied so about you end up with with a severe bleed you got about three to five minutes to survive before you end up bleeding out or getting to the point where you lose too much blood for your body to compensate for it so it was about a little more than three minutes okay from the time I got shot until the time the tourniquet was applied and so we all carry tourniquets on us every vehicle deputies that were out there one of them once they found out where I was shot they got that tourniquet out quickly they got it nice and up high nice and tight which which slowed the bleeding down a lot what it intended to do that is the purpose stop stop stop the bleed stop the bleed so and then in the ambulance they applied the the quickclod which helped out that much more and then once got to you know we got the band at point it was straight into surgery and the trauma doctors did their thing he's a wicked scar yes really wicked scar a couple of them yeah a couple a couple of really wicked skies what a what is the your favorite thing about being back and work other than going back to a normal routine give us the goods this is a video with me give us the good so it's in me I like being back with everybody I missed everybody so sweet you know I mean these are people that I work with I spent a lot of time with some of which we just got done with quite a patrol school so you know we just went through 17 weeks together working together training together yes yes and I like I like working the dog mm-hmm that's fun I like I get to play hide-and-seek professionally exactly exactly it's it's fun that's how you make your living that's it I love that that's awesome so I think that's kind of wraps it up yeah I just you know I want to say thank you to everybody out there that supported us the sheriff's office was wonderful the community was wonderful the community was more than one fly I came in full support absolutely yeah yeah so you know friends and family got me through everything and it was awesome yeah what you guys may have heard earlier in the press conference but if you haven't already seen it what was the ironic fact that you mentioned earlier family talking okay so which I think is I think it's weird ironically so I come from a long line of law enforcement officers me too yes so my grandfather my father my mother my mother was a law enforcement both mother and father worked here at the pasco sheriff's office my wife is a law enforcement officer so ironically back in the 1980s when my father worked for the sheriff's office he was on a SWAT call and he was shot was it by chance the same area or it like it was in holiday no no no no no he actually he was shot in the head yes that was a he has a heart initial reaction wow we're just doing video so come on in guys that was corporate mad and this is just in our office this is what it's like so we're gonna go ahead and wrap up the video so happy thankful blessings to god I believe that you are back to all that were involved that helped out to get him back on the road everyone at the hospital community supporters pso fam your fam friends he literally already just said all of this but I just felt it again to say it to everyone but thanks for giving us a couple minutes absolutely yeah where's the puppy I know someone's gonna ask in the description where's the puppy so right now he's out in the car we had him out earlier because of the press conference he is a little spastic very spastic cuckoo yeah yes so which makes him a great work dog exactly that's what you need hi drive okay so if you guys have already done so like the video comment if you'd like subscribe if you'd like no pressure um you'd like you would like for those of you on facebook you can't do that but you can head on over to youtube to do so and we will see you guys next time and be sure to comment below and wish us guys a wish us guy a happy road work happy road what


Ladies and gentlemen, the story you are about to hear is true. The names have been changed to protect the innocent.  You're assigned a burglary detail. An elderly woman reports that a man has stolen $300 from her apartment. She says she saw him. Your job? Check it out. The next 30 minutes in cooperation with the Los Angeles Police Department, you will travel step-by-step on the side of the law through an actual case transcribed from official police files. From beginning to end, from crime to punishment, Dragnet is the story of your police force in action. It was Thursday, May 19th, with Sonny in Los Angeles. We're working today to watch out a burglary detail. My partner's Frank Smith. The boss is Captain Bernard. My name's Friday. We're on our way out from the office. It was 3.47 p.m. when we got to a small apartment house in the corner of Olympic and Sixth. What's that lady's name again, Joe? Dunnbetter. Martha Dunnbetter. Yeah. Must be upstairs. How do you figure that? 48 male slots means eight apartments. Yeah? That's the reason number eight will be on the second floor, don't it? Joe, I wonder who comes from Kansas. What? Why didn't you notice the plaque out in front of the peak of arms? Yeah. That's a city in Kansas. It's the peak of Kansas. Yeah, sure. Somebody must have come from there. They're the owner of the builder. Why else would they give the place a name like that? I don't know. Well, it stands to reason, doesn't it? I guess so. See, you're not the only one who doesn't do it. Do what? Deduce. That's what they call it, the way you figured out number eight is the second floor deduction. I was just giving you an example. When I proved that somebody connected with the building probably lived in Kansas. Right down there. Eight, just like you said. Deduction never fails, Joe. Police officers. Sir, certainly come back. Oh, dear me, you aren't the same ones, are you? No, ma'am. This is Frank Smith. My name's Friday. There were two other police from here just a while ago. Shame you didn't know who saved you, sir. That's all right, ma'am. We knew they'd be here. They're patrol car officers. They were in the neighborhood, so they answered your call. Well, I do. You all right if we come in? Oh, ma'am. You're Mrs. Martha Dunbetter, is that right? No, not exactly. Oh? It's Miss Dunbetter. I'm still single. I see. Well, ma'am, would you mind telling us just what happened this afternoon? Oh, no. No, I don't mind at all. It's still quite clear. All right. Would you go ahead? What does that mean, ma'am? As you go ahead about this afternoon. Oh, well, that's all right. Fixed myself some lunch, and then I read up the dishes. Must've been about one o'clock by the time I finished. All right. Afterwards, I put on my hat and I went down to the library. It's only a couple of blocks from here that go with Cleveland Ranch. Mm-hmm. I took back my books and checked out two fresh ones. All right. What happened next? Well, I come home, and there it was. What's that? I come home, and there he was. Who? Well, that awful man. Well, just where was he? Here, in my apartment. No, I mean which room? Over there, the bedroom. I see. As soon as I came in, I heard him. At least I heard somebody moving around. First, I thought it was Mrs. Parker's manager. I know she sneaked into my apartment and noses around. Well, she says she doesn't, but I know better. Mm-hmm. Well, I got her red-handed this time, so I marched into the bedroom, all ready to give her a piece of my mind. Oh. I was never so flabbergasted in my whole life.  I see. My black pad and leather. So one of his holding. Mm-hmm. Well, ma'am, how much money was in the bag? Well, I'm not positive. Not to the penny. About $300. In cash? Yes, sir. You see, I've been saving dimes for the past 15 years. You mean this $300 was in dimes? Oh, goodness gracious, no. What I do is go through my change every night and put all the dimes in my dime bank. And when it's full, I take it down to a real bank and change the coins and the bills. A dime bank holds $25. I see. Well, you'd be surprised how much person can save that way. It mounts up. Yes, ma'am. Do you know the denominations of the bills? I guess they were mostly tans. Maybe one or two bigger ones. Mm-hmm. What did this man do next, Miss Dunbar? Well, he found money. Must be on a dollar. Stuffed it into his pockets. Then he just strolled out of the park once big as life. I was too dumbfounded to do anything about it. I see. I heard him cramp down the stairs, and then I heard the phone door slam. When I was sure he was out of the business, I managed to get my wits together in a dialed central. Central? The operator. He put me in touch with police station. Had you ever seen this man before, Miss Dunbar? No. I'm sure I never did. Could you tell us what he looked like? Well, he's a tall man. How tall? He'll make as you, I'd say. What color hair, please? Dark. Very dark. Fine. Dark eyes, too. Dark complexed. Like he does, spent a lot of time outdoors. How was he dressed? Shirt and pants and jacket. Light color jackets. I think it was green. Did you notice any scars? Yes. Come to think of it. I did. Cross his forehead. Then little zigabizags. About how old would you say he was? Oh, he's young. 35? Maybe 40. You know if anybody else saw him? The other tenants? Well, I haven't talked to you, you know. I haven't left the apartment since it happened. You live alone here, do you? Oh, my, no. That's just a message for you. Where is she this afternoon? She went out town for a few days. This is her grandson and his family. They came down from Oxnard together this morning. I see. Mother's birthday. It should be 80. I expect they're going to have a quiet day's celebration. Yes, ma'am. You're all carrying on. You think it was such an accomplishment. Well, it is pretty ripe old age, ma'am. You don't see what's ripe about it? Oh, I'm nearly 79 myself. Oh. Oh, I know. I don't look it. Everybody thinks there's at least 10 years between us. And Bessie is failing. Yes, ma'am. There's a couple more questions this afternoon. Certainly, young man, certainly. What time was it when you got home from the library? 245. Maybe a few minutes after. No later than three, though. I see. I'll just have to get into the apartment. Was the door locked? Well, I thought it was. Always try to remember to lock it whenever I go out. But sometimes I do forget. Well, I guess I did today. You think he'd recognize the burger if you saw him again? I'm most assured of the word. Mm-hmm. Nothing without it with my eyesight. Oh, that's fine. Well, I'll take you down to the office with us and show you some pictures. No? Just to see if you can identify him. Well, if you can go like this, I'll have to change the dress first. Well, I'm all right for walking around the neighborhood, but not for going downtown. Well, that's up to you, ma'am. I'll say it's done better while I think of it. Who came from Kansas? Oh, I'm afraid I don't understand. Well, the name of this apartment, you see, is the Topeka Arms. So I figured somebody connected with it must have come from Kansas. Oh. You don't know who it was, do you? Well, I didn't think. Oh, yes, yes, I remember. That was old Mr. Hendrickson's idea. Oh, wow, you don't say. Yes, yes, he was the man who built this building. Well, now that was, uh, oh, good and safe. That was almost 35 years ago. My hot-air implies. Yes, ma'am. How do you like that, Joe, that Mr. Hendrickson came from Kansas? No, no. Minnesota. Minneapolis, as I reflect. Oh? But it was his idea, just the same, calling it Topeka Arms. Kind of an article he read in the newspaper while the building was going up. Ma'am. Said there was more people in Southern California who came from Kansas than other states. Mm-hmm. So Mr. Hendrickson figured the name Topeka would attract a lot of tenants.  Said so at the time. There hasn't been a single solitary one. Oh. 35 years. Not so many Kansas has ever lived here. 405 p.m. Frank and I put in a call to the crime lab. While Ms. Dunbetter changed her dress, we checked the other apartments to see if anybody else had seen the burger. Only one tenant was in. Mrs. J.T. Blade, apartment 6, informed us that she'd been out marketing at the time of the crime and had just returned home. 416 p.m. Lee Jones and a crew from the crime lab arrived. They began their investigation and we drove Ms. Dunbetter down to the city hall. We checked the oddity file and ran the suspect's description on M.O. through the staff's office, and they came up with 17 possible. We pulled mug shots and showed them to Ms. Dunbetter. She was unable to make an identification. 613 p.m. Lee Jones reported no useful fingerprints or other physical evidence in the apartment. 646 p.m. We drove Ms. Dunbetter home and we went off duty the next day, May 20th, 1117 a.m. I'll get it. Burgary Friday. Who's that? Oh, sure. Yeah. Wendy, come in. I see. Oh. Well, I wouldn't know what you look like. Mm-hmm. Yeah, we'd like to. Right. Thanks a lot. That was Chubb Stark. You know, Stark, the bartender over at the Yellow Camp. Oh, yeah. What's he want? Guy came into his place last night. He was carrying a pretty big roll. He threw it around, bought drinks for the house. Yeah. Got kind of loaded and did some talking about how easy he'd picked up the dough. Just walked in again this morning. Huh. Sound like anything to you? Chubb says he's about six foot black here. Yeah. Skarn is for it. The yellow cat bar on figure off. Chubb Stark, the bartender, pointed out a husky man sitting in a corner booth. We went over to talk to him. Keep your hands on the table and stand up. Huh? Police officers on your feet. Okay, okay. Something eating you guys? What's your name? Why? Come on, what is it? Fort Long, Ralph Fort Long. Where do you live? Hotel around the corner. How long have you been staying there? Since last night. How about before that? Back east. They just got telling yesterday. Where abouts back east? What kind of a rust is this? Where? Back east. All over Chicago, Cleveland, all over. What kind of business? Unemployed. You got any money? Some. How much? Look, I ain't no bag if that's what you're getting. How much money you got? 100 bucks, maybe 150. Where'd you get it? I borrowed it. Who from? Powell. In LA? Chicago. What's his name? Johnson. Cliff Johnson. You got his address? I don't know. He moves around, same as I do. How are you going to pay him back if you don't know where he lives? We'll bump into each other. I told you yesterday. What time? Six o'clock, somewhere in there. Yesterday morning? Last night. You sure of that? Yeah. How'd you come? Train? Car. You own the car? I hitched a ride. Just where were you yesterday afternoon? Riding into LA. All afternoon. Yep. What was the driver's name? Look, how should I know? I've been hitching for the last week. I must have rode with 20 different guys. You don't remember the one you were with yesterday? Nope. Ever been arrested, Portland? No, that's serious. Tell us about it. No, drunk, that's all. Where was that? Ohio, when I was a kid. Anything else? Yeah, I got some speeding tickets. You ever been arrested in California? Never been in California. First trip, huh? Yep. You ain't exactly making me feel at home, either. You know, in an apartment house, call it the peak of arms. Where about? Six in Olympic. What is that? In LA. Look, can't you get nothing straight? I've never been here before. How about giving me an answer? Why the roast? Come on, let's go. What for? We'll show you the sights. For instance? City Hall. The suspect into custody for further questioning. 12.16 p.m. We ran the name Ralph Portland through R&I. They had nothing on him. We put out an APB with his description stating that he was in our custody. The bulletin requested any information about the suspect and was marked attention to Chicago PD and Cleveland Police Department. 2.18 p.m. We again interviewed Portland. He insisted he had not arrived in Los Angeles until six o'clock the previous evening and refused to say anything more. 4.06 p.m. We received replies to our APB on Portland. Chicago reported two convictions for Grand Theft Auto, and Cleveland reported one conviction for burglary second degree. We telephoned Miss Dunn better and arranged for her to attend a special show-up at the main jail. 6.17 p.m. The show-up was completed and Frank and I took the victim back to our office. Ma'am, you're sure it isn't the same man. My goodness gracious, I ought to know. Yes. Let's see how you could have made such a mistake. Well, he fits your description even to the scar. But I told you it was Ziggity Zang. Yeah, you did. This man's scar is entirely different. Yes, ma'am. His hair is wrong, too. Is that right? The other man had some gray in it right across here. I thought you said he was fairly young. But he doesn't have to be old to get gray. I've been gray ever since I had my appendix out. I was only 34. All right. What have you taken home, ma'am? It's really a shame. Ma'am? You rested that poor fellow. He hasn't done anything. Burgary Friday. Yep. Yeah, that's right. When did you get it? No, not yet. Were you notified? Right. Well, I guess we don't need to feel too sorry for Port Long. Who do you mean? Another answer on our APB. Yeah. You were right, Miss Dunn. Better he couldn't have been your burglar. Well, I told you, didn't I? It was in Needles yesterday afternoon. He hitched a ride. Yeah. Slugged the driver. Ralph Port Long was held pending arrival of authorities from Needles. The investigation of the apartment house burglary continued. Two more suspects were brought in for questioning. Both men succeeded in establishing alibis for the time of the crime. Monday, May 23rd, 1.48 p.m. Frank and I were on our way back to the office from lunch. How was your pie? All right. Just okay, huh? I said it was all right. Lemon meringue, wouldn't it? Yeah. I don't know, Joey. You should have had apple. Mm-hmm. I told you, stick with apple. You can't go wrong. The lemon was good. He didn't finish it. That was full. Yeah. Well, someday you'll learn. Learn what? Apple pie is always safe. You can't loss it up even a bad cook can't. Well, I get a little tired of it once in a while. That's all. No reason you should. You can switch it around so many different ways. Yeah, I know. Cheese, olive oil, hot sauce. No reason to get tired of apple, Joe. Sure. Hey, Joe. Yeah? Call for you while you're out. Oh?  Here's the number. Thank you. Sure. Missy Maxson. Who's that? I don't know. Mrs. Maxson? This is the police department, Sergeant Friday. Yes, that's right. We were the ones. I guess we can. Was something wrong? You sure that? All right. Right away. Thank you for calling. Goodbye. Miss Dunn better sister. She just got back from Oxnard. Yeah. She says it never happened. What do you mean? The burglary. She says her sister made it up. Frank and I drove out to the Tafika arms and we went up to apartment number 8. It was 2.17 when we got there. Somebody's coming again. Miss Maxson? That's right. That's right. Well, my name's Friday. I just spoke to you over the telephone. Oh, yes. Yes, of course. This is Frank Smith. Oh, how do you do? I do, ma'am. Come right along inside. Thank you. I just don't know what to say. I suppose it's all my fault for going out of town. She'd never left Martha alone. Might have known she'd be up to something. Are you positively sure about this, Miss Maxson? About what? About what? That there wasn't any burglary. Never in a million years. Well, your sister gave us all the details. Play act and that's all it was.  Oh, I see. You mean Miss Dunn better isn't she? My sister is as sane as you are if that's what you're driving at. Well, why'd she tell us that story, you know? Haven't got the biggest notion. She simply won't give me any explanation. Oh, I see. The story was true. Why won't she face me? Why is she hiding? Hiding? A minute I told her. I was going to call you. She locked herself in the bathroom. Is that right? Been in there for two hours. Now, she simply refuses to come out. Well, we'd like to talk to her if we can. I'll try again. That security, I may have some influence. You think we're getting a run around, Joe? Sounds like we done it. Yeah. Martha, come out of there this instant. Martha Dunn better, do you hear me? The police don't want to talk to you. Take her here. I won't. I won't. You never come out. I never heard of such a, you see, I'm not able to do a thing with her. Yes, ma'am. Maybe if you speak to her, she'll come to her senses. All right. I don't know how I'll ever be able to hold my head up again. It's scandalous. Miss Dunn better, this is Sergeant Friday. Miss Dunn better, will you come out so we can talk to you? Miss Dunn better? Speaking of Martha, what got into you? No, speaking to you, Bessie. Let's go into the other room easier to talk there. Yes, ma'am. Not speaking to me, huh? Well, two can play at that game. When I assure you, I won't be the one who suffers. All right, ladies. Would you like to sit down? Now, Miss Dunn better, can we clear this thing up now? Your sister says there wasn't a new burglar. How would she know she wasn't here, was she? I know because I know you. And I know you never had $300 to your name. I did, too. Where'd you get it? Where'd you get it? None of your business. All right, now, how about it, Miss Dunn better. Did you have $300? Well... I never said it was exactly $300. Not to the penny. $3 would be more like it. There happens to be a few things you don't know about, including my savings. A likely story.  What about my diamond? I shook it the other day. I thank you to keep your hands off my property. Savings, indeed. If I didn't pay most of the expenses around here, you'd starve to death. I managed quite well before you moved in on me. Betsy and I was perfectly happy living alone. Matter of fact, I preferred that arrangement. Well, maybe you'd like to try it again. Maybe I would. I'm sure it'd be money ahead. Hock, don't you hock me, Betsy Maxim. You ought to see the way she eats. Gobble, gobble, gobble, she shovels it down. Stuffing nonsense. I don't have any more appetite than a bird. Birds don't nip the cooking, Sherry. A moth has done better. How can you say such a thing? Because I know it's true. I'm off the bottle. Well, whatever I do, I don't fend to the police like some people I could name. Well, Miss Dunn better. Is that Ray the suspect? Mm-hmm. You mean to do no harm? I wonder if you know it's against the law to file a false police report. Against the law? There. You see, you're going to jail. I knew it would happen. I knew that sooner or later you'd disgrace all of us. Why'd you do it? You must have had a reason, ma'am. I won't dare you.  I won't. Well, let's see. Would you mind waiting in the other room for a couple of minutes, Miss Maxim? I most certainly would. We'd appreciate it if you would. No, very well. You think I was the criminal around here? All right, Miss Dunn better. Tell us now, will you? It's very difficult to explain. I'll give it a try, will you? You see, it was all on account of her. Bessie. Go ahead. Started with those little girls. It's because she's older. She's always lording it over. Mom and Daddy always gave her everything first. Hand me down, that's all I got. Bessie, hand me down. I see. When I grew up, I couldn't push myself very much. She's just the opposite. The bear or the ball. She had to pick up all the young gentlemen in town. The only time they'd take me out was when Bessie was busy. I don't think she didn't let me know that I had second choice.  Well, I had my pride, too. Wouldn't settle for her leftovers. That's why I stayed single, I see. Bessie could have done it. It was named one of her little girls after me. After all, I'm a home of her sister. The mess done better you still haven't told us while you reported the burglary. I'm telling you. That's right. You know, on account of her birthday. Well, that was the last straw. She hasn't talked about anything else for months and months. She's 80 years old. You'd think she's the queen of Romania. A picture and a paper of people making a fuss about her. Well, I made up my mind that for once in my life someone was going to make a fuss about me. I'll tell you the truth, I'm not a bit salty. I did it. I mean, yes, I should be sorry. But I'm not. I really enjoyed myself. All those questions you asked me, like I was somebody. My name was in the papers, too. First time it ever happened. It's strange when you come to think about it to live 79 years without ever seeing your name in print. But that wasn't the best part. Ma'am. The best part was Bessie not being able to horn in and take all the credit. Well, I didn't find me out sooner or later, but I didn't care. I sure had the laugh on her. The only time she's in Oxnard being potted I was just having a little party with my own. You know, you didn't need to put us through all this, Miss Dunn-Better. You're almost 80 yourself. It's over a year away. When you're my age, you can't be sure of anything. Yes, ma'am. Sides. Even when I'm 80, Bessie will still be ahead. Who is that? She'll be going on, aren't she? The story you've just heard is true. The names have been changed to protect the innocent. Due to the advanced age of Miss Martha Dunn-Better and because of her assurances that she would never repeat her actions no charges were filed against her. Dragnet is a presentation of the United States Armed Forces Radio Service.