Hello. Hello. Hello. Hello. We have only six people. So let's do it like this. We give people a few more minutes to join, but when we start, we tell them next time we'll start on time and then we actually start on time, because I'm honestly somewhat tired of always waiting. We only have 15 minutes anyway. If we always wait five minutes, we're basically at 45 minutes. And all of this is way too interesting. So here's time. Yes, it is. It is. But that was the time all alone. Actually, I kept the Mohawk and the colors longer and the dyeing at the second time into different colors was also not planned. And coinciding with the lockdown ending in Germany or being lessened to really nice levels. I went completely bald. And it's super interesting for anyone who like all of the people on this call have hair. So you all don't know this and I didn't know either. Your ears get so cold because all of the wind, which is all of a sudden not catching in your hair, it's absolutely fascinating.   But I'm trying to fill those two minutes until the five after and then we start and then going forward and I'll also send email. Actually, let me take an action item on this one. We will simply start and not wait on people. I've been looking through mail and things. I'm back from vacation now for two whole weeks. So I've excavated my inbox down to before I left. It seems we still haven't heard back from the TOC. We did. Order on the agenda. Did you hear anything? Well, the thing which I heard, so okay, it's far after. So let's start. So first things first, next time we'll start precisely on time and I'll send this out for future meetings too. So update on the TOC. There was this TOC sick call last week and we have a sponsor for both Thanos and Cortex incubation. She is called Katie Gamanji. I hope I pronounced it correctly. And she took both of those due diligence items for TOC. I poked her today and didn't get any update yet on what she thinks about the due diligence documents. But I also don't have any timeline or anything. So for now we'll just wait and see what happens. But we have a TOC person who is looking at both Cortex and Thanos, which is already a lot more than we had a week ago. So that's nice. So this was this. And the other thing is the open source analytic platform thing. Bartek, do you want to start on this? Yeah, definitely. I can essentially give some quick, can you hear me? Yes. I can give some quick update what was done from the last meeting because at the very end of the last meeting two weeks ago, we started this topic. And I actually kind of announced that we are definitely looking that as kind of prom to use community and kind of announced what are the communication channels and what we want to achieve. Let me reiterate. Essentially, if you click on this link, there is an email thread and also kind of GitHub issue where everyone is welcome to give feedback on what analytic system you are using in kind of, to be honest, analytic space using different signals to be honest, not only kind of observability, but signals from any data source. And what we want to achieve here is to kind of integrate better the monitoring world where, especially as part of the kind of prom to use project, we want to give more ways of using those monitoring data, for example, metrics in analytic use cases. And so we are looking for kind of voice of the community on what systems and what APIs are the most needed and what would kind of solve the most use cases. So we are super happy to kind of create those APIs as maintainers, but we need to have some kind of feedback where to go because, you know, we are not experts on this field. So this is the topic that we want to kind of move on. So that two weeks ago, we agreed that seek observability is definitely a good spot for discussing those things because, well, there is no better seek related to this topic. Furthermore, we are touching observability data, which in those days, we are, you know, kind of retrieving and gathering for long term times, like, you know, years and months of the data. So we want to make use of it. So I guess we'll be having some conversation in those meetings and on our communication channels. So I would love you to speak up even now if you have any feedback. So there will be time for that. I would also maybe give some status of what happened outside of our meetings very quickly. First of all, we have Prometheus Community Meeting, where we touched this very topic. I will kind of copy the link where you can find the video and so you can watch it fully. But essentially, as part of this meeting, we talked about this very topic. It's kind of in a tweet, but it's available. And we spent some time and what we had here in this meeting, we had like Rob from M3DB. So kind of long term storage metrics system. They shared what they are looking for in terms of kind of spiking this topic, how to integrate their metrics with analytics system. And he mentioned that they are planning to address some kind of Spark integration and Presto. So this is very kind of specific things that we can already try to integrate with. So you're welcome to check this video to kind of know the details. And we also have lots of feedback on the kind of GitHub issue. I tried to summarize this topic here briefly so we can kind of check this out. It's like a summary of what we know so far, what projects were mentioned and how we can kind of solve integration from metrics to those projects. Apart from Spark and Presto, Clickhouse once mentioned, Druid, all sorts of timescale DB, so all sorts of systems. And we are looking for the direction that will be the most useful for the community. On top of that, one more thing, Ozan, who I think is on this call, was super active and we found a couple of cool, maybe not very popular projects that are already integrating Prometheus kind of storage format and kind of couple it with, I think, some kind of analytic API that you can connect with Spark. Ozan, do you want to maybe give some quick DLDR summary of what's the latest of your findings? Hello. Do you hear me? Yes, perfectly. Yes. I am recently a little bit in a research mode about the topic and focused off metrics and maybe doing learning on that metrics data, but which every common using ML algorithms are in general in Python. There are lots of frameworks. And we are planning to use Spark jobs on our site because of the every analytic team has built-in and they are currently using them. If we can reuse this platform, it will be very good. So I am focused to them. Spark integrations uses some kind of internal Java and also Scala internals of the libraries to connect that. And there should be extra effort to maintain every each Scala and Spark release. Some elastic search, Cassandra, Cachebase, drivers are common in this sense, I can say. But a little dream or very crazy idea, but I see lots of every Python analytic or I think we lost all of them. Yeah, seems like I can see. But in the meantime, once it's back, like that, yeah. Yeah, we lost your last minute or if you could. Yeah, we cannot hear you. So while we wait for him to return, would it be useful for us to sort of brainstorm a list of scenarios that would be enabled by having these systems? I don't want to lead any witnesses, so I will speak last or later. But this is an active topic for at least my day job. We have exactly this squarely on our sites for a variety of scenarios. But if we don't already have that curated, no wrong answers, just brainstorming starting place, that might be worth a couple of minutes. What do you offer? Definitely. So in this kind of issue, we can gather the use cases maybe from our point of view, like from newbies who are not maybe using those analysis systems, so analytic systems, so obviously we can be wrong. So definitely it's worth to have maybe a shared document, Google work that we can offline collaborate with. So maybe let's have that an action item, right? So I will share some document work and focus on requirements, not necessarily about exact solution already, right? That makes sense to me. I think you need to understand the use cases of where you want to end up to go beyond the immediately obvious approaches. Like on a very high level, you can obviously say we want to enable deeper analysis, but to answer what do we mean, what are the boundaries, runtime, blah, blah, blah, blah, we probably need to agree on, but not even agree, but at least stake out a few common users and what actual needs to resolve. I can see the pot. Do we want to talk about this now? We can start. Sure. So one of the more high value scenarios for my team would be to be able to build data sets and curate them and expose them such that they are suitable for model training for anomaly detection, particularly in our case with periodicity on the month or multi-month or even quarterly or yearly scale. Many of the commercial offerings today, like Datadog, for example, do analysis of periodicity for anomaly detection on the one to two-week maximum time horizon. We run a lot of machine learning and we serve a lot of models for real-time auctions and other fairly real-time things being in ad tech. So we'd like to apply some of that same methodology to the vast fire hose of data we have coming from not just infrastructure and various layers like Kubernetes and the various cloud hosted services we use, but also leveraging custom metrics that are exposed as Prometheus or open metrics formatted data. Today, we're dumping that to Cortex, but we've explored everything from timescale to influx, to basically anything that can take a remote write input stream. And so we haven't solved this challenge yet, but that is one of our questionnaires so that we can, for example, in the insurance market, health insurance in the US is an open enrollment thing, right? And it's usually in the fourth quarter of the year, so we will see huge spikes there. But in other domains like financial services or other places, you have fairly predictable ebbs and flows of traffic that dramatically change particularly cloud-native systems. So being able to have a learning that's not threshold-based and is not anomaly detection based on what happened last Wednesday, but it's more about what happened last year at this time or last quarter at this time, those are some questionnaires. Amazing. That totally makes sense. So let me put here also the thing that we gathered so far in our kind of, let's say, in our, let's say, organization. So first of all, and also from the perspective of kind of from cues, what is missing or in what is actually difficult to obtain from it. So we were talking about kind of producing multidimensional reports from years of data. So very often you want to have a nice visualization that is not real-time and not for alerting, but actually to analyze that by humans, for example, or to show some characteristic and just print it right now for your managers, for your senior management. And this is something that is very painful in current kind of state of frontiers because all the queries are very heavy in terms of cardinality and currently print use is focused on real-time kind of response with low latency. This means that it's not easy. There's no kind of API that allows it maybe for like a streamed slower API that will allow producing those reports. So this is kind of use case that we found problematic and that we want to solve with this analytic forum. Second thing is good discoverability of what dimensions we have available. So one thing is that we want to be able to fetch this data for machine learning for other use cases, but first we need to know what data we have. And in prompt use it's not that easy because the best knowledge you have if you are producing this data, right? If you know what your application actually allows you exposes, what metrics are exposed, right? If you want to kind of discover those, then you are putting a heavy load and there's no very good APIs on that. So something that this is trying to solve is discoverability of your data. And allow joining data from multiple sources. Yes, there is definitely use case for having those reports or anomaly detection as you said that will combine not only metrics but also logs and maybe also the data that you got from segment that, you know, from website and what users are accessing actually. So those are further use cases that we could see, but definitely, yeah, let's gather most of them. I could speak to two other scenarios, but again there's a lot of people on the call and I don't want to hog the airtime. So is there any help? I also just want to make one note. So everyone is explicitly aware of this that we already have different use cases and as much as Matt was talking about shipping data off and doing analysis somewhere else whereas Bartek was talking about doing it within the observability stack, which is already a huge difference. And with that I'm going to show up and require someone who's not Bartek, Matt or me to pipe up and voice an opinion, please. We only bite if you don't talk. If you talk, we don't bite. Your cup goes away in the magic background thingy. No one? No one has any opinion on this? I mean on some level I like to keep things small and composable.  But that doesn't mean you can't have a marketing umbrella that's got a bunch of smaller projects underneath it that go and fit together nicely. Just as a thought, you can also have something in the middle where you basically enable it. Like enable composability for example something, but we again very deep in Prometheus land, if Prometheus had a batch API versus an interactive API where you can put requests which basically they can return in an hour or in a day, I don't care. I just care about this happening at some point. And this basically what all mainframes grew large with this distinction between interactive database access and batch database access. And this simple split enabled insanely powerful use cases. So for example, this is something which an observability engine could offer and then try and just interface with other things nicely. Like for example whatever. And I think that's I'm 100% behind that. I think that the really interesting story is the API's that enabled the external use cases. So instead of going and shoving a Jupyter notebook into Prometheus, Lord help us building an awesome API that goes and enables those new types of workloads is definitely 100% the Unix philosophy composability community play. Yeah, I think at least for time series metrics, I think remote read and remote write are fairly brilliant. I think there's a need for some backfilling. And I've talked with some of the folks here already about this in the past, but we're looking acutely at maybe even writing it ourselves or doing it in the context of the Prometheus community, but a mirroring proxy for remote write would allow us to have our existing observability stack in place where from all sorts of places, both Kubernetes and not, we have metrics heading to a centralized backend. And if we could tee those off very easily and just replicate all of that to go to other systems like perhaps timescale or click house or whatever, that would let us kind of not muddy the observability stack with this analytic stuff, but would still make it very simple to move. And in the same spirit, one of the things that I have the least amount of like concrete plans about how we're going to achieve it is the same with trace data. In particular, we have a lot of our services that were universally instrumenting with open telemetry, the linker D mesh we're using also can export headers as well. And in those spans, many of our development teams are finding it useful to put additional metadata like log messages or stack trace failure, things unique identifier. So we have this whole bunch of data that's not Prometheus, or which I don't have the same set of APIs today to handle across different trace backend. So we're sending everything to Yeager, right? But how do I get it all that in a good way? And how do I use other backends or whatever to bring that trace data into scope for analysis? I really love the mirroring idea because going back to the segment comments from earlier, like that's what I use segment for is literally just mirroring and splitting out all my analytics data into a bunch of different backends, whether it's Google Analytics or BigQuery or whatever. And it's my favorite tool on earth specifically for that reason, because there's a whole bunch of different tools that do a bunch of different things. I want a single stream that comes in and then splits it out into other backends that I can slice and dice different ways. Is this a SaaS hosted thing? Yeah, I think there's a segment knockoff that's open source. There's a lot of competitors to segment. I've definitely used it. It's a pretty cool product. Yeah, I think it's only touched on it before. And again, I should be less afraid about talking, I suppose, to set an example. But you know, one of the reasons why we want to find a way to do this with open source tooling is primarily so we can run it ourselves. We handle a lot of PII and EPHI. And so many SaaS tools we can use, but it requires a fairly FedRAMP certifications of just a lot of SOC2 compliance, auditing. It's a heavy lift operationally to use some of these SaaS tools because the data needs to stay within our own VPCs and networks. So from a requirements perspective, I think at least for our business, self-hosted is a pretty important component. And when we get into the volume, we did some tests with Hay Linkerdee, a service match, giving me everything you can. We actually have a whole data platform team and a data analytics team and just get very quickly dwarfs to give them that in terms of tooling. Is there anything in the CNCF umbrella around reasoning on trace data that folks have found useful? Or do I have a knowledge gap about what I could just be using? Or is there an actual gap in projects? Well, if you have traces, you can actually send them to your last six search, for instance, and do the add six there. But it's very, it's not obvious out of the box that you actually need to take care of that in the back end. We had exactly the same question internally. We generated a lot of traces, a lot of metrics, and how do we do analysis on that? Right now, it's not easily discoverable, basically. Yeah, I think we've identified, at least for our roadmap, two buckets in this general topic. One, correlation of traces, logs, and metrics for operational use cases, what's going wrong, one-one-splat, or iterative development use cases. And for that, we've been using Grafana to stitch together logs, traces, and metrics, and we expect that to be a nice fit. But on the analytics side, to dive deeper in, I think there's a lot of opportunity. Does anyone know of projects that might help fill this gap? Or should we at least take an action to report up to the TOC that this is one domain that is right for new projects to join the CNSCAP? I think Yeager is probably the project that does most from the open source side. I think the rest is all in the commercial part, project space, where people are really doing the analytics on top. And projects are open to them, which we also try to focus really on the data collection, but not the processing and not the analytics part. But I think that the biggest part of analytics is definitely Yeager, especially with the Yeager project has done recently. I mean, there are other questions that obviously come up there, because do we have even like a uniform data model how you store things? Like you mentioned that people use log metrics as part of traces. This is what we started telling people like 10 years ago not to do, because it's highly inefficient from a processing part later on on the back end. And you want to split up these two data sources and just link them together via IDs. Because usually a trace processing needs to be even higher performance than you are in a log processing. So I'm not sure what I'm helping here and I'm following the discussion that's why I was like listening in here for most of the time. But if you want to combine these different data sources, I think that's really what you need. You need to agree on how data is labeled that you can query at the cross multiple data sources. And on the other topic, I mentioned before about processing and input output. I personally like one source of data or like one stream of data processing into different tools. I just see this getting harder and harder the more data you're consuming. And if you have like massively large systems just reading the data again after you're stored, it becomes more and more of an issue. This is also like a lot of the work that I'm focusing on right now. How do I not have to read or how can I reduce the amount of data I have to read as much again as possible? So if you say one day produce 200 or like 20 terabytes of data and between it to five tools and storing it in five tools is 20 terabytes became 100 terabytes. And if you even add more tools, we're going to also store data again and not just the results of the processing. It just becomes more and more. So that's why if you wanted to look into something, you would look more into a stream data processing model and integrate data can easily be processed in a stream data processing type of approach. Obviously a lot of people are using Kafka for these kind of scenarios. But this I'm just not sure when I'm off topic right now or I'm part of this discussion. I just wanted to. I personally think it's on topic if we're talking about, you know, traces being part of this observability data that's cogent directly. What we've been looking at in our group is, yes, we'll be using likely Kafka to actually shovel things around. But in particular, tail based sampling with the open telemetry collector and seeing what we can do to much like fluent bit moves processing of logs and tokenization and some of the compute cost out to the edge near where the logs are being transmitted so that, you know, you don't have all that stuff on the wire necessarily or you can reduce the raw volume. We're looking at how can you even considering rather, how can we, you know, do as much as possible where we're collecting all traces but, you know, at the point where we're collecting and we're calling the things we don't care about. So programming models to do stream processing at that edge locations where the services are in cluster or on a virtual machine, whatever before we store all that is, we think might be the best approach. Yeah, I think we are touching exactly this topic on the two ways either you move everything convert everything to the tools that target format or we have some way of aggregating and stream those data and just fetch what you need from the various data sources. And this is, yeah, just just nicer because you don't reproduce data. But I think one actionable thing that we could that like anyone on this call could start working on, maybe we just make a ticket for a task for it and see who who's interested is. But, you know, on this very topic, like I have active questions now that I don't see easy answers to without just trying it around Yeager's scalability. Like what happens if I take blank amount of data and throw it into a Yeager back end, and I just keep putting that at what point does it fall over and not become usable or should I run lots of little ones, you know, so once like we're psyched about Cortex because it provides the centralized fairly cheap way to store lots of time series data, you know, and make it queryable, you know, all the things the Cortex does we I kind of want something similar for Yeager for trace data and I don't I don't right now know what that is. So in scope for the city to be like making some case studies and just taking some base measurements so that I'd say like in the year 2020, you know, in July, were I to put this much data and this is what the performance would be. Yeah, I don't know what the right approach to it is, but there are definitely good discussions in the Yeager team how to scale it more. There was recent spike on budger, budger, I think database, and there are much, much more what's going on. But I think this doesn't solve like analytics kind of problem right now is just another maybe more card in card high cardinality kind of database and and the question can we scale it but but still we just another data right and I think we should have this topic how to scale Yeager and and and but I think that might be yeah something we can pull, you know, Yeager team as well here and definitely talk about that and help them scale because they they need some help. But I don't mean how to make Yeager scale, I mean, what is a suitable durable store for trace data that could be used for analytics purposes. Yeah, so it's more it's less of a Yeager thing and more of a like we have remote read remote write write and I can have different backends what that that to me seems like a gap but that sounds like a valid use case right we would like to have a tool that maybe compose the data from both from to use and Yeager and something that we are some system that we allow to do that it's actually a good verification for for for this topic right for this spike we are doing. Yeah, good point, Matt. And on the previous topic, if you're sitting here on the stream processing, are you we saying this is something that you're considering or my audio got garbled when I when you were talking is there projects or are there APIs already that could be suitable here where that could be applied to gain stream processing on? Well, technically everything you do with trace data really is sweet processing because you get in the stream you just have to merge a lot of data together that's how you ideally do it at scale. And also when we we did it before when we exported data it was also stream based because you need high performance output otherwise just the amount of data drives you crazy. But it is trace data processing to be able to make sure if you did and maybe that makes it so hard to obviously to tackle because the mixture of street data processing if you for example need to calculate metrics from that stream of phrases that you get in there like service response time you should want to collect them on a per trace level which you also don't have to do if you have metrics for response times but if you want to slice and dice them and then it's like really this high cardinality database type of queries that you run against these data. But even there we found that stream data processing solves a lot of issues like we analyze data for example for problem patterns as we are collecting the data and not later on. I mean my personal opinion is if you do good data analysis on trace data you reduce the amount of use cases where you have to do a lot of real-time queries on that data because that the bigger work right now goes into aggregation of traces. It's kind of interesting to watch and we have Jonah here who's working in space for a while. We started always Cindy traces until to the point where we realized that looking at Cindy traces is nice for a developer to understand what the code does or for debugging intermittent errors but reasonable and large systems just have too many traces and similarity and outlier analysis of traces which eventually graph-based data structures is something that they're usually looking for. The individual parts you rarely look at because it's just too many. So one of one of the things that Yeager is missing is like the ability to create metrics from traces in that in that real-time way which is definitely something we're looking to contribute back into the project and then the idea would be to expose those to be scraped by something like Prometheus where you could then start to do trending and other types of analysis of the trace data that's being collected and ultimately you could actually detect a lot of problems just based on metrics versus having to actually analyze all the traces because with Yeager it just hammers the back end and it becomes really difficult with elastic search to do these types of things at scale. This is exactly what we're dealing with in our system as our customers continue to send more trace data to our back end and it's definitely kind of a disconnect between traces and metrics that I'm seeing in the community. So the same approach is one of the reasons why we've chosen Loki for some of our log aggregation scenarios in particular Promtail which is a demon set that runs in a Kubernetes context anyway and tails all the logs. It can look for things and have log derived metrics that are exposed as a Prometheus endpoint that can then be scraped by the same in cluster Prometheus to get exactly the same thing to get like frequencies and various custom processing. It also does it on the server side in a slightly different way which is which is a differentiator actually because you can do log derived metrics for things that you didn't set up ahead of time to make metrics for but different topic for a different day. I mean I think it's a different argument. I mean I believe that logs still have a lot of value if they're indexed and Loki doesn't do indexing so unless you think of all this yeah sorry go ahead. No no I I'm sorry you're absolutely right. I didn't mean to say it was holistically everything it's one prong of an approach but we're also doing some indexing on targeted workloads as well. But my point was that the notion of at the point of collection deriving time series metrics because it's simpler sometimes and more expedient to reason on the time series than it is to plow through the full trace data or plow through the full log data. It's a common approach. And you also have to do it sometimes like if you want to calculate metrics across different instances you have to aggregate them somewhere again. You could argue you're also doing it based on metrics data. I think this discussion we're having right now for say what to use for what has is one that has been going on for over 10 years in the monitoring community. And just telling people what to do is it is a good idea like what to use metrics for what to do with traces what to not do with traces. Like if the only thing I want is a response time for a service sending trace data that I then use to calculate the metric to then do alerting might not be the best move at all. Might not be reliable essentially. Yeah I guess that's why I wanted to focus on scenarios. I've been holding off but I could just really quickly just bounce through two additional scenarios that we might want to add to the list. I'm curious if other people have these same ones. One is correlation of infrastructure metrics with cost. So you know most cloud providers that we use give you costing information and being able to correlate those two things. There's two others that we had when looking at horizontal versus vertical pod autoscaling. That's a place where we would like to run experiments capture the impact particularly for legacy workloads that were inherited shall we say that aren't completely understood but have you know good test collateral or we can filter some traffic to run experiments. You know when does it make more sense to scale vertically versus horizontally and just capturing the metrics for all of that and then correlating it with what the autoscaler did can provide you know the ability to create models to game out how we should better utilize hardware and then correlating all that back to cost. Those are those are two scenarios at least that are ways we internally at every quote might want to use analytics on and then the third I'll mention is that we've launched internally to brag a little. It's actually quite simple just a deploy tracker service so some of our CINCD when it makes deploys or when a lot of hand deploys that aren't automated yet are made. We've got that going to a back-end service which is then making in our case Grafana annotations and also surfacing that via a Prometheus aggregation push gateway time series metrics out of our deploys so we can correlate like deploys to anomalies or errors or whatever happening good or bad in our infrastructure and that's another thing where there's so much data and so many different points of measurement and so many different services that applying a more systemic analytical approach that that can make it less you know needle and haystack kind of traditional debugging uh is this scenario we'd like this is exactly it's exactly something we've considered uh basically when when we're doing a deploy you want to look at the trace data to see exactly what changed if we can generate metrics out of there then we have any insights into I don't know maybe this span took 10 percent longer suddenly because we did this deploy events and we can correlate that also to response time on a metric and maybe look at some logging at the same time so aggregating all that is it's kind of really hard right now because you have to integrate with lots of different systems and yeah with traces you don't have really good tools right now to do that that can handle the load and scale well but yeah one of the things you said was you wanted if others were kind of heading in the same direction definitely I mean we with exactly those use case right now yeah I think I want to kind of bomb this thread because we are actually thinking about that in in kind of from Qs community because with the Loki and and the hacker we are kind of collaborating together and we are already having some poc of solutions that for example um are having a strong links between this data so you are still pushing you know gathering metrics you are still pushing blocks like you used to you're still pushing traces however you there is a kind of way where you only index once because this kind of you have actually the same resources uh in both of those signals right and so you can totally have the same index that will give you you know the the the certain application for example so that's already reducing a lot of space and complexity and and resources that you have to use for for those signals right so for example you have Prometheus are giving exemplars that can hold trace IDs for the for example slower um some interesting thing that happened during observation of latency of this request for example so then you can navigate to trace um and and and have traces and the same you can share the trace ID and the request ID for the logging so you can jump from that between logging and tracing and if you would be and kind of work together in a way that those databases will share some kind of information for example indexes um which are very heavy there is a huge win here so um we're trying to to go through this because you really need to gather metrics and push metrics right as we agreed for the for the different purposes like for alerting you have to have reliable real-time metrics um for traces you are fine with the kind of slower latency for um for for kind of trace availability um so there yeah it's hard to have just one solution and just use traces and forget about anything however we want to make sure uh with this observability group as well that we can collaborate together and have uniform solution yeah and then that's what we care for you it's also interesting it's you know you mentioned coordinate everything and if you use the elastic set completely and i'm in no way like trying to sell it or anything but you can actually already do that but you have to be completely locked in in that system it would be nice to be able to use now the cncf projects in the same way that you can correlate all those things all together uh and still keep you know the cloud native kind of way of working exactly yeah this is this has been awesome i'm just looking at the clock at we have i think we have two minutes left um uh richard what do you think next steps are i mean i don't want to i think i was just moving forward and and become actionable things that we can fan out to so i think one uh one thing which we should be doing is is start collating use cases um start collating use cases um in a shared document ideally if you want i can send them on around without any restrictions so everyone can just toss stuff in and ideally we maybe let this sit for a week or so to to have a brainstorming session and then from their try and distill more and more um generalized use cases out of this um the other thing um cncf to see asked us to to uh select a third chair with a little bit more view on diversity so if anyone of you have suggestions um highly appreciated because initially we did look around it didn't really find a lot but we'll we'll restart that effort so if you have anyone i think those are the two anyone is anyone interested in working on sort of a case a set of case studies maybe not on what tools to use but just like either working with either reaching out to projects like Yeager and open telemetry and seeing what they have in terms of again like i'm i'm tactically looking i'm going to deploy Yeager for example or i'm going to deploy whatever um just raw sizing it seems like a you know figure it out as you go and i'd like to just pre provision what's needed so there might be some little hanging fruit there for new new contributors and new members of the SIG i would i would encourage us all to make suggestions like in Slack or in GitHub like i would i would like to period a backlog much larger than the folks on this call can deal with so that we can say to new potential SIG members hey come join us this is all shovel ready we just if you're interested in this stuff you can contribute and here's how so um perhaps that's a separate brainstorm and i'll follow up with something on the list i think we can we can do that collaborate the kind of together right so i'm happy to set up this document because kind of started this this topic and kind of announce it so everyone can reach that the close projects they are working on and and and give an input on the case studies and requirements right this is our goal for now and use cases or didn't i catch you saying use cases because i think from for the SIG like i think case studies are valuable but somewhat orthogonal in as much as either someone has something working which they're able and willing to to talk about but this is largely disconnected from us coming to an agreement of what use case is to cover or what use cases are considered within yes they're totally orthogonal i just we had mentioned them in line and i just wanted to call them out as potential next step they're not as much more going to Bartek who seemed to mix the two but uh yeah okay i think that's it and see you in two weeks yeah ideally we should really and i i know i keep saying this but we should try and move more work into into text and use this more for open discussion but i liked the open discussion today that was pretty good cool thank you maybe i'm gonna try to think of a joke involving observability for next time yes please i'll put the challenge out because i'm not a very funny person uh let's add action item i'm doing thanks


What is up a welcome back? Do you like to do it builder to make it so do we? We have a new video each week and on Tuesdays we do test cuts this test cut Tuesday kind of catching up from last Tuesday Yeah, we got two different designs today because we missed last week and Heads up heads up if you're here. We will miss next week It's our daughter's graduation And I think we're gonna miss the following week. Maybe we can work in a live in between Well, I don't know we can go live while we're moving you guys want to watch this Watch us argue with each other. I Said I was gonna get that box Why are you lifting that? Right and now we got a move and this one's decided he wants to move ourselves But he decided that right before the day before he blew out of stomach So now I'm gonna say I blew out my stomach. It's not like I blew out my stomach. It's not like I purposefully blew out my stomach. Oh Yeah, so do you guys want to see what we're doing today? Oh Is that the color way you're doing with over there? I don't know I'm gonna get a vote to hope hoping to get a vote from you guys be ready because I'm gonna ask you for Which color scheme I should go with Trying to get me to add stuff to it now. Well, that's just don't worry about that You just leave the one on top whatever you got going on there Kim's changing designs After they've been finalized. Yeah, after they've been cut. All right. So this is what I'm doing So Memorial Day is coming up. We're just a couple of weeks away from Memorial Day This is another one of those good all-year signs. This actually was done for last week's workshop So why we weren't here last test cut Tuesday. We still did a test. I'm not ready to show mine. Yeah, sorry Don't don't mind that. We're still talking about the eagle. Oh, I moved on. Yeah Yeah So for last week's test cut Tuesday while we weren't here. We actually did this eagle for Liberty Middle School. So this is their mascot and this was a Custom door around we designed for them But we thought this would be a great like patriotic door around so we kept it It's got enough space. This looks empty. But when you put a big old bow there, it fills it right up You guys know how it is. So What yeah, you have to leave a bow room. I'm leaving bow room now. Yeah, he does he leaves a bow room for me So this is what we're gonna do for his what you see at the bottom are a bunch of cool eagles Here's the other thing every time this thing cuts look at all these eagles. We just toss in the scrap bin I started collecting like a bin of parts that you might want to keep. What are you gonna do with one inch eagles? No, I just thought I would sell it as like a scrap box So or donate it somewhere because when the teacher actually was the principal of the school saw this and there was one eagle Still in the pack and she was like, oh Can I keep this little eagle? It's like of course. You can't know She said no, no, uh-uh.  That's a lot of eagles. Like it's flying up out of there Anyway, that one says his so now you guys we talked about this one I think one of you guys showed me maybe it was it wasn't Lori who showed it to me And I wanted to do my own version actually my version was gonna say welcome We're a prickly bunch, but they all insisted that I do welcome Don't be a prick. So I don't know if that's gonna get me in trouble But I have three color ways. This is one. This is my original one Kind of neutral keeping it with the Navy and gray. You like them? Yeah, keeping it real. Yeah Well, this one looks more like authentic and Then I have a third way an orange version. I like the orange version Well, I don't really but that's orange is your favorite color. So what? Why would you even tease the orange? I need I need your well, let's see what the votes are I'm hoping we get some votes in here One two three now on camera. I'm guessing the black one's gonna pop in but This one is pretty cool. It's got a white backer Gray, you know seems like no blue.  That's maybe blue and pink. That's like it. It's very Seems docile. So Navy black orange orange Let's hear it. Navy black orange Gonna know need to know what you guys think Let's see what's happening here. I like orange.  Yeah, I figured the black the black would pop on camera That's kind of why I made this version because I was talking to Tanner actually and I said, let me make a couple of different color ways And he said Black, I think you need to make a bold and make it pop So let's paint it this color way and we've got more to do we'll paint some others the other color ways And we'll see which one sells better Sounds good to me authentic Yeah, I know me too. I also What was three this the orange? One two three. This is one Let's see black black black black black Well, I was looking at this one I like how this one looks open I think you could just take if you could put the spikes I don't think it needs all this extra if you took this out and just put spikes on that This one's a little shorter. I think it goes on the arm There's like another one that's missing Do a Can you do a little closer? And I'll hold it up so you guys can see what we're talking about here. Sorry This is already started taking my part. Oh, that's that's that's that's top I'm moving my buttons. Here you go So our cactus over here Garrett has it two layers And it gets you know how Garrett gets it gets it makes it big and heavy I don't know if it makes it big and heavy. It makes it pop People are like, whoa, is that a real cactus? Can I touch it? So let me show you with the second layer cactus There we go. I dropped your flower on the way. I think There we go. It does pop a little bit more. Maybe we do keep it. Yeah, I think you should keep it Because then the flowers are too Well here's one Trying to hold it still so you guys can see it Garrett's going through looking for little pieces all right, so I guess we should get started Let me see who's here Everybody's here I'm gonna go back and make sure I didn't miss anyone. Hi Helen and Jason Michael, Jeff, Mandy Lori and Scott Chris Oh, I found it. Oh nice job. Haley and Matt Bam, look at that Steve Dwight Who else is here? I can't read all these comments. I might have to go back if I missed anything important. You guys let me know Jane lol got to send me email to be added to the facebook group just replied in patreon. Okay, Jane. We'll get you Donna Carla Jerry Yeah, see jerry so she says her bits and bobs Bits and bobs. Yeah. What do you do with your bits and bobs? I think you'd like that and yeah And they like the extra layer cactus at least Jason does Hi, Michelle. Thanks for joining us When in doubt layer it out. That's what I always say. Yeah, I know that is what you say All right, I'm gonna go with the black one just because we're on film and I think I think it will pop a little more in film Plus that black backer is going to be super easy to paint, isn't it? Yeah I mean one coat you'll be able to come in one. No No, you won't black you think so No, I don't I don't I feel like now you're just Doing a second coat out of spite So Garrett Everybody wants to know how you feeling how I'm feeling. I'm feeling Probably 93 percent Well, did the uh surgery make Everything better. Yes. No, really you think so? I do I guess I haven't asked in a while He's mr. Siesta guy, although he's getting better not this week. Yeah, I mean Whoa It was bad before That was uncomfortable It was like I'm thanksgiving until Now Well, what I find interesting is now that we've You guys don't say anything now that we've talked to now that we you've had your surgery and everybody Knows like you had the gallbladder surgery now everybody's like, yeah, all your symptoms totally sounded like Yeah, but we had the ulcer Diagnosis, I mean he still he does have an ulcer like I saw in the pictures the guy was like, yeah, you have an ulcer I got it all. Yeah, he's he's a mess. You got a stomach issue I probably got you. I got you. I don't know Now I'm missing half my organs. I feel like yeah, I asked him. Did you lose weight? Look at you lucky duck Yeah, that's how I feel lucky duck Did I get he does feel lucky man before he went to surgery he was like I think last time you had surgery you just didn't even know what was going on I just took you back and it was what was happening was happening and you didn't even care But this time you were a little more Conscious and coherent and you were like, I don't feel like As we said, I don't have time to have surgery I don't feel like having surgery. He was not a happy camper. There might have been some f words of this surgery He was He was fine one minute for me. He was fine one minute in the morning and then I went up front He was back in the back. I went up front to do some paint kits Tanner came up and said oh, is dad not feeling well? And then He I was like, what do you mean?  So I finished. I actually finished up the kid I was working on I went back to see and he wasn't just laying there. He was on his knees balled up Moaning and I was like, what what is wrong with you? What is wrong? And he said, oh, I think it's gas And I was like nobody writhed in pain like that from gas. I don't know Never had gas that bad That's because there's probably no such thing as gas that bad And and then we went to we I so he insisted on me taking him to Um cvs the pharmacy. Yeah, take me to cvs. I just need some mylanta He could hardly walk and I was like Okay, all right. I was like, why don't we just go to the doctor? Something's wrong. No, no, what are you doing? No, let it dry. I'm doing that. Nope It's practically no it's not it's not It's already like thick of paint and he was about to squirt more I could see he's ready to go You're gonna squirt more Sorry, I was lashing out So anyway, so I took it so I didn't take him to he said take me to walgreens, which is down the road here But I didn't I took him to cvs, which is trickery Which was not that close, but it was right next door to a patient first I like how tuesdays have become call garret out tuesdays Well, I'm just giving the story. I mean, what else do you want to talk about? You got something better? We could talk about the move here in a minute Sorry to do them both anyway, it doesn't go Well, I just need everyone to feel my pain and what I went through What I went through yeah So he So anyway, we go and sit so I give him is my lanta. We go sit in the park a lot of patient first He proceeds to Like chugs on my lanta. Yeah, like and he chugged it too and I was like no nobody drinks that that's too much Don't drink that all that He's gonna sit in the park a lot and he was like, why are we here? You could just take me back and I was like, no, I'm not taking the parking lot of Patient first. Yes And then he proceeds to like throw up the my lanta Like five times and then I was like, are you sure you don't want to go in here? And he was like, what are they going to do for me? I said nothing They're going to send you to the hospital, which is right down the road And he was like He sat there and he goes, no, you can just take me back I was like, all right I'm going to give you 15 more minutes to sit here and we'll see how you do And then he goes just take me to the like five wasn't even five minutes. Just take me to the hospital and then That was at 1115 in the morning by seven o'clock you were having surgery and then By 1115 the next morning it was a whirlwind. I felt like a princess A princess It was crazy because that was also we were supposed to be setting up for a craft show So it was a set up day trying to get out of it for a big craft show One of the big ones biggest ones of our year Um is arts in the park. We did great last year. We had tons of inventory We were ready to go and then Nope, no set up on Friday And then I was like, what am I going to do? Do I can't I did not want to cancel it because we had put forth Put forth we had put in so much effort And we're so prepared. I was like, all right, I'm going to get one of the kids to do it but then When they were like when he got out of the surgery and everything went well And they said it was routine He'll be released sometime She he was like, he'll be released sometime tomorrow assuming everything is good Continues to stay good. And so I was like, okay. Well, I'm going to set up for the craft show while I was there I got to the craft show at Let's see. I met Karen here at 7 a.m. Or something And it was 9 30 or just after 9 when you were like that came in said all is good Well, I mean as soon as I woke up, I was already feeling better my abs are only because somebody poked through them to dig at my guts But otherwise, you know, I was feeling good. I was making jokes when I woke up So by the next morning I was good to go Yeah, well, he thought he was good to go. That's what's funny But he gets so I pick him up. He well, he's I said here He said should I call the kids and I was like, yeah Call see if you can get one of the teens to come and pick you up.  There's a big I'll get it Are you going to use red? No I was just helping I could see it. I was going to try and grab it for you while you're at it You're trying to smash me in a project You hate this eagle Anyway Anyway, well any long story short. We made it to the craft show I had did the craft I ended up having my sister come and help me Courtney came and helped us. They ran the booth while I picked up Garrett. He was feeling good. He was still on pain meds He was like I walked out of the hospital Yeah, walked out from this room and they were like, yeah, you're good to walk out if you think you're good Hopped in the car. I was like I might go to the show with you. Yeah, that's what he said Uh, he goes, well, maybe not today, but I think I'm going to go tomorrow And that was 11 30. Yeah fast forward I get back here at 5 36 o'clock pain meds have worn off. He's like, oh my god. I can't get up off this And I would I first got here. I was like, I'm just gonna lay down for a second Watch some tv And then you woke me up when you came in. Yeah, he did not move the entire day Six hours. He never just lays around never ever I slept like the whole time I forgot Paper plates. I can go get it. I've done all the talking You can say something Let's see if I'm missing anything here Yes, he feels much better What are you saying? Too bad, Mandy What is happening? I miss so much. I get up here talking and then I miss what's going on in the chat Oh scott. So is anyone on the cruise? Yeah Oh cruise And we're not even talking about time cruise So anyone going on the cruise going on friday if so we should try to do dinner that night. Oh, yeah Yeah, he couldn't process jerry. He couldn't process fats anyway, so he's good. I'm going to flip back and forth I've already had I've already had a rupture to ulcer They had to take like half my organs Lower he said Garrett Gil got his toe amputated. I mean toenail removed lol Adam trimmed Yep christian says they'll be down on friday always come down a day early to avoid mishaps same We'll be there same on friday going on thursday eat the crowds Like to show up early Well, I know I haven't given you guys a whole lot of details on what we'll be doing and that's top secret It's not top secret. I actually want some feedback from you guys But I really got to know how many people we're talking about here You know, am I talking about 50 or am I talking about five? I'm not sure so Until I know better numbers. I can't I can't decide Or choose like what is it going to be a little pow wow or we sit in a circle Or do you need like one of the rooms? Do we need conference room conference or do we need the whole theater? Maybe we need the whole show The show theater I wish we needed the show theater All right, come on you guys we're gonna rent out the show theater We'll have everybody come up and Tell us about their their business or their hobby But in some parity You got to perform. Yeah, is that what you're saying? Nope not doing that I didn't say we were doing that Everybody else does yeah Let's see Yeah, that's what um Chris says we need an event in one of the facebook groups for the cruise. Yes. So yeah I am going to create something like that so we can continue to chat about the cruise I've got I know you guys are probably Getting inundated or not too much because with Garrett being sick I haven't been able to spend as much time as I had originally planned But I want to um We're we're continuing to advertise. So I sent an email facebook post Did anybody see my facebook story post of um of the cruise with the cruise ship porn? I love that one. I thought it was gonna be It didn't annoy anyone But I thought it was so cool that I could add the ship horn. Do you know how many times I've heard the ship horn? He's heard the ship horn a lot. We'll see Oh, yeah, great. Helen says we could post it in the make it group since it's for everyone Mandy says they can't go they're buying their first house. So even if she wasn't terrified They weren't going. Damn it Mandy Well have fun in your first house May it be a good house.  Is that when your move-in date is? Wait, I guess not. That's a long time away I guess you're shopping for a house We're gonna house you look before one with the huge garage That's right. I'm not I'm gonna finish with the cruise you jump into the topics too fast Yeah, the whole thing is going to be a party. It is going to be a party, but hopefully we got some good information Um, like I said, we're we're thinking about what we want to do. We got some ideas, but again If I've got a small group, I can we could do more like Involved type things, but if we have a larger group, we might have to keep it more Well, you guys tell us what you want what you really really want Yes, I am going to send out Some surveys. Yeah surveys to get some feedback from you guys I know we've got some crafters going who want to craft so I want to make sure we get some crafts in make something There's two days at sea It's like the the first day out is is at sea we get to where we're going. There's a couple of days there Is it two or three days there and then a day back? So um I figure on the days at sea we'll definitely do something make something and then while We're you know at the at the islands. Do we want to do like a group excursion? Do we all go do our own thing and we come back at night for the Like meet and greets. Yeah, so you can see I'm thinking about it once I know more I'll be able to start asking questions more specific questions of you guys. You can give me better feedback You get it? Yeah. Wow, you can tell he's feeling better. He could not pop down and pop back up like that Last week, so I can tell you that it was great I gotta fake it until the moon was over though I mean I mean take it easy Gotta take it easy until the moon was over Scott said that jessica's birthday 50th birthday is the day we set sail. Well, perfect. Yeah, sounds like it's perfect timing Uh One coat Gary. Yeah Four chap says we will be there on the cruise.  Yeah I've never ziplined. I want a zipline. All right. I did it at that one place that we went to Oh, yeah. Yeah. Were you from the top down? Uh-huh, and then Grace and I did it from Somewhere We did it on that one cruise ship. Yeah that had the zipline with the ropes course up top. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah That was a zipline just ropes course. No, he was like a little zipline They just went from one side of the ship to the other That first cruise you and I went on had zipline, but you you had I was in that was the first time you suddenly blew up So I still we've got a hair trigger Anytime there's a something big coming up where we need you you're like Not sure I want to participate in this move No, Eddie, you don't need a passport Well, I don't know did that change you have never needed a passport anybody else know for sure I could ask jesse Call jesse. He told me not to answer questions because I might get it wrong But in the past and I don't know if it's changed in the past if you were going If you were leaving from an amer- american soil and then returning to american soil You did not need a passport. I think I'm not sure. Yeah I think you use your boat card To get on and off the ship when you get on Not to be confused with boat drinks. Do we only cruise through royal? No No We have I have no legions Norwegian and we've been on carnival and we've done a royal cruising cruise before a couple of carnival cruises and One that last one we did was a norwegian cruise. That was awesome of them enable cruise Yeah Do you have an allegiance? No, we just chose that one because uh, it was kind of It's what jesse suggested but what I was trying to do was Set sail out of kind of central us So that each coast could come down and then we set sail and come back So this color Is cheerful Okay You know, I'm gonna be here a minute with it Take 17 coats with this bright yellow, right? That's why I painted mine white first I'm a beak. Oh Because you're gonna add those yellows on it. Good call. Good call Jesse said it's a good idea to bring the passport, but you don't have to have one Oh, hi tracy all the way from the uk Well, hello tracy. Garrett loves when we get somebody. I do from across the pond I love foreign lands Chris says I happened to look at my passport the other day and saw that it expires in february So i'm getting it renewed now. Yeah, good idea. I need to I guess we should just double check ours, right? This is what I say about a passport. Would you guys be so mad if we do all this and then Yeah, we don't we don't show This is what I say about a passport you always need a passport because you never know if you have to go on the That is what he always says, but So far so good. We've not had to go on a land. I mean I keep it in my backpack My passport is in my backpack I don't know if I have to go that day. I'm ready Well, the rest of your family isn't so See you guys on the other side What did you do with the aquarium? I never touched aquarium. You didn't know there is no aquarium In my american flag eagle thing I mean I could try alternate color way. I just feel like Maybe I never grabbed it. I just used what was in the roller But I feel like I might need a little dab on a plate A little dab will do you I'll come back to do another coat of that I think I'm almost done. I think I just need some black and I am And I am done. Wow. Yep. I'm quick like that. You're killing it. This one's just the easy one Like 13 So have you looked at the excursions for this joint yet? I haven't so look at the excursions I barely got the itinerary Let's see where we're going. I think I have Oh, you're gonna do it live Right now You're working on a project. I am. Well, I just sent it in a message earlier today. So I thought I could easily tell you Yeah, all right. Leave out at Galveston a day cruising um a day in Puerto costa costa maya Mexico from Noon Actually, it's from 1159 a.m. Hilarious Well, I'll be a little bit. I'll be there at 12 o'clock So we all know that Oh, that's the paper thing. Hold on. I got some drama here Drama Did you use black? You did Hold on. I got drama. Sorry. Sorry guys. I stopped and I always stopped to know what I'm saying Do you have uh paper towels over there? Hold on. Maybe I'll find you something There I know there's some on the dtf printer. I always need them over there So anyway, Puerto costa maya Look at me. No, I've got it. I'm gonna That's an excessive amount of paper towels So that's until 7 p.m. So I think that day wouldn't be an event day because I can't Take excursion time. I don't think So that would be like A meet and greet or some sort of networking event And then the next day 7 a.m. To 5 p.m. Is cosmo I've never been to either of these places. So that's exciting And then the last day is a day at sea cruising And then back to galveston at 7 a.m. So that's a trip. That's a quick trip Yeah, I mean five days sounds like a long a five nights sounds like a long time, but It'll go fast. I think go fast Just about the time I get in boat mode All right, here's a little tip for you guys. Who was telling me I think it was Here don't look. Yes. No, I'm good. That's too much. Don't don't try and move that around. I wasn't I So one of you guys said that we could use car wash sponges So I bought a couple and cut them up and have like Well, I've been using them, but it filled up the whole bottom of this thing Um Two two sponges. So I had a ton of sponges. So and even though they look very porous They work great For dabbing. So we still love the cosmetic sponges But I would feel guilty not telling you about Um, how great these things work and they're super cheap So once I get this first coat on I'm going to show you guys Let me go back to the youtube video in the comments Yeah So I'm dabbing this and not rolling it because this is like a custom mixed color that we did for the spring But I think this is going to be a great color this light green. It's going to be a great color for the back of this Right, you think it should be the back of this Uh cactus. Yeah I think that's a good Good back color Yeah, help me answer some comments all I get because Scott wants to know if there's any swimming with great great white sharks I don't think so I don't toy with uh sharks I um also sent the link to the cruise So I can go there. Want to talk about some of the excursions? Yeah, let's hear it. I don't know if I can explore this itinerary. Here we go Did you guys see there's a giant water slide the typhoon and cyclone And the flow rider where we could do some surfing the flow rider I like a good flow rider A bunch of entertainment Where would I find This is all about the ship. I'm trying to here. Let's try again ui tennery Oh, here we go What is there to do in Costa Maya You could go see The coral coral conquest it says Yeah, sounds boring There's um What is this so like I don't know Mayan um Ruins, I guess rock and ruins rock and ruins I don't know about that. What is that and some shopping? I think that's it All right. Well, I'm in on the ruins then. All right, and then casamal Oh, there's um temple trekking Um, I don't think I want to walk to the top of this temple. Well, I mean it depends. Do we get to dress like laura croft? I'm in You can um Snorkel and swim with the dolphins Um, I don't know Nope, don't even start Local cuisine. Oh, wow. Look at that.   I don't know what that is. Is that in a cave? Yeah, like a cave. There you go. That's better not called at all There's a hole in the ground that you can walk in you can swim into It's just a hole right there in the in the mantle the crust I guess Anyway, this cave looks awesome. I don't know. I haven't looked at it yet But we promise you we will I will be all over it and be well versed. Yes Because that's who I am what I do So I will know what we're doing and and then be able to communicate with you guys Like if we're selecting excursions or if we can do like a group excursion Um, that might be fun. I like to show up and do things That's my hair go and do. Yeah, I like to go and do I feel like you and half of the enjoyment comes from the planning It's like you're it's like your jc pennies wish wishbook What the planning part of it? Yeah the planning part of it. Yeah, I like to explore all the piece parts But he never does any of the planning I ends up well, I just say here I'm thinking this Okay, that's good I'm down for whatever. Yeah pretty much Okay, I definitely have to go get aquarium Okay, I don't I don't have it here So maybe you can Shitty chat a little bit. Yeah. Well, here's what I want to know has anybody been on a cruise If so What was your favorite excursion? Well that Who's his first time?  We're gonna we're gonna get we're gonna play the deadliest catch button on the boat Scott said rock and ruins. Is there a big hair concert? Yeah I feel like Helen said I did the temple thing. It's a snooze fest So I feel like there's no Lara Croft stuff. I don't have to run from a boulder Harry wants to know if you will be wearing A speedo at the pool.  That's how I do. Yeah, I'm definitely a speedo person Definitely a speedo kind of guy All right, hold on. I'll be right back. I get way into my speedos. They gotta match my hat Uh, well, the only time I really hang out at the pool Is when they gots the live music. I'm a sucker for live music A little boat drinks and some live music And then no, I don't I don't wear my speedo listening to live music It's off hooding to others. So I only listened to my hair band music in my speedo In the comfort of my own home Only Kim gets to witness that What did I miss? Oh nothing Just talking about uh Hanging out at the pool listening to live music that they have at the pool. Oh, yeah, that was that was fun I mean, we love music that last cruise we were on the band was so great.  They were great. Yeah, that's all I wanted to do All of that Um, they can't see they can't see much They only see like they can't see what you're doing and is it me? Oh I've never done this before. She's in charge of planning the cruise everybody I've never done this before. It's this one. We just scrolled down I had it scrolled up a little bit to read comments or something and Scrolled it off the page. I was like look they can't see anything All right, but what's happening? Why are we just? Why am I just look doing my cactus? Oh, I don't know I don't know I hope you guys are still there You back the video I did not You sure did Okay I'm back Kind of I think Maybe you did it. I already glued that down. Yeah, just keep going Okay You know us trying to mess it up technical troubles Tuesday That's how we do it All right, I need to put a little Pain on these guys and then I think Well, I might have a second coat of a couple things but then I'm close to being done I'm close. I'm just putting together my eagle And right now I'm currently putting together my eagle. Oh, wow cool Steve said I had a friend who played music on cruise ships I went to Hawaii for two weeks with him for free Wow, that's how you do it. Yeah All right, Steve got to find a friend now. I get it phone a friend phone friend who can play an instrument Let's talk tanner into doing it. Yes, I mean Or or hear me out we learned We learned to play an instrument. We talked about that didn't we On the last cruise we were like, okay. That's what we're doing. We're gonna figure out We're gonna do crafts on cruises and then travel around and Be the craft entertainment Right. I'll be johnny Is that his name? Elisa says where are you going on the cruise? What cruise line are you going on? We're going to mexico out of galveston texas and we're going on royal caribbean Voyager of the seas Bonnie's uh, no Chris Says we just ran out of the stuff we brought back from Cabo a couple years ago. Thanks for the reminder What are the dates February 24th 2024 five days 24th of the 28th of the first or something something Uh, Dwight says my first cruise. I was stuck in stuck at sea in a hurricane ooh Hey, technically my first cruise. I was also stuck at sea in a hurricane In the navy in the navy. Yep. We went through hurricane bob in 1991 But don't we just go around them? I mean, isn't that you would think so you would think so and you would you would be surprised How much an aircraft carrier can be tossed around by the waves and the wind Big giant floating city. Yeah I was amazed All right, I think these guys are good to go. So I think my cactus is ready This is good. I need to do the whites again So maybe I'll put these up out of the way And the yellow. Do you still have yellow out go fish? All right, no worries. I'll pick it up All right, you guys getting bored with us Ah, I'm moving as quick as I can Helen says I will bring motion sickness medicine for all.   Surprisingly it wasn't me Laurie says we went on a tiger cruise once our daughter was When our daughter was in the navy a tiger cruise is where you get to bring family Oh, I was gonna say okay, that seems like a short cruise On a Like military boat on a military boat. Yep. Oh, that's cool I think that's gonna need another coat of yellow a hold on to that Man, can you guys see that eagle that thing is serious business? Look, he's not joking around No, he looks he looks serious. Yeah He will take an eye out Hey, did you guys you can't see it behind me because we're zoomed in but did you guys see this f1 laser behind me? What do you guys think of that thing? They got a couple of comments About oh, it's expensive, but My thing is it's expensive, but jeez you can take it to the craft shows I'm so excited about being able to offer personalization Um, I don't do that hand personalization like a couple of vendors. We saw one Was we have determined were digital crafters. Yeah Yes, we're digital cat fabricating crafters. What was that one couple their booth they had they were hand lettering um Last names. Yeah, and I know mary does that she does the slates and she hand letters Um, I could probably do it Yeah, I think that you could But that's not what our signs are. They're 3d. So You pretty much need to add it as a 3d piece and I had no way of adding that on the spot So I think this is going to give us an opportunity to Kick it up a notch All right, you guys can give some feedback on whether you like that What is that talking? What are you saying? I don't know that I like this stop this, uh, stripe at the top What do you think I enjoy the stripe at the top? I feel like it finishes the flag-esque feel That this sign has So I'm just gonna cover it up with a bow But if they wanted to peek under the bow, I'm bam There you go finished flag little peek under the bow little peek under the I should do this way Yeah, there you go. Man. Look at that eagle. He's serious business. I swear Look how cool he is And he really is showing up great on camera It's hard trying to figure out where this thing is Christian said the eagle looks epic Helen says I agree with Garrett the red banner I'm missing the little white dot that goes inside his eye There's a little white dot that goes in there Oh, uh-oh It kind of just sets it off lets you know That's as I probably could have gone a little lighter Patricia said doesn't look like it needs a bow And maybe it doesn't it doesn't maybe doesn't need to be Looks like this eagle Ripped the bow off with his Eagle talents. Yeah, and then swallowed it and fed it to his young eagles His eglits. He is serious business. That's what I was saying He's got aggression problems He needs to talk to somebody He's he's got a problem. He's gonna keep going you guys He's got a problem with his Male pattern balding dad jokes Jerry likes the red on top Right, christian says that little white eye is the Glint for freedom, right? That's what I'm saying.  That's all I can see is that it's missing this little White eye there chris says I think the local high school mascot here is an eagle I'm gonna have so many uses for that thing. Oh, yeah. Yeah Take off welcome and put teachers names on there patricia says she's getting in as soon as it's listed as unfinished Yeah, so our goal is to go and as soon as this is over. Well, it's not gonna happen because He had we haven't cut can or hasn't cut the second version of these Well, he just hasn't because I didn't ask for it But we want to do we're gonna start doing a video for every one of these things A little how-to video a little overhead shot. Yeah on how to kind of how we're putting it together case someone needs to know Um, and then we're gonna make sure that we get these things up I know we've been dragging our feet lately things have been crazy But we're gonna get together. I promise so these will be up ASAP. Well, we should have a new helper starting next week Tune him helpers.  Yeah So she heads into the air force. She ain't got nothing going on I keep telling them look if I owned a restaurant you'd have to work there all the time It's just happens to be it's it's a craft thing but Look i'm bob's burgers. Those kids are there all the time. That's what I tell them Yeah on bob's burgers. Yes All right. I'm ready to assemble.  All right. You guys. Oh what? I'm sorry. I'm sorry. You don't need a second coat.  I won't see it Yeah, it needs a second coat. Oh Just the top half though. I think it'd be all right. Maybe I'll make it quick Hello, we're not going to hire any real people before we hire you Not any real people. Not any real people. They're not real people. They're kids They are young adults who need to learn the value of a hard day's labor Anyway, if you work with us, you're gonna have to come take a peek If you if you go work for us you got to live in a tent out back It's in the it's in the warehouse Well, just so you guys know also if we talk about the cruise This is the first time we're doing this and you know, you know This started as a conversation right here on the test cut Tuesdays and then a little more maybe in our Patron zoom calls, which by the way is tomorrow. Oh man So we are not Doing we don't we're not adding anything to these cruises. So we're not making any money This is just a hey, let's all get together And we're gonna try and put together Some events for us to do some things But um, you know, I was looking at some pricing on like having a cocktail reception. Oh, yeah Yeah, but it's like it's like 25 dollars a person So all that's coming straight out of our sounds like it's a small business What do you think it's gonna be a black tie event the cocktail hour Wow, you got you got some a black tie But we should make it themed For sure you should do it themed and it should be like speak easy Test cruise use days Test cut test cruising Yes Harry says we're going on a cruise in December Now my wife wants to do another one wants to do another on yours. Yeah You mean nothing better than back to back cruising. Oh, hey, kandace. She just got here Hey, kandace Karen says she made it. What did I miss? Well, Garrett's put his together. I'm just about to put mine together He missed My eagle that's missing his little Glint of freedom Where it comes across on film How free he is yeah free He is so free this guy He is free of a body You need help You could answer here you keep an eye on I keep an eye on the comments. Yeah Your turn my turn You can all grab dinner at the same time. Yeah, definitely Yeah, I'm going to see what I can definitely do about that. That should be easy enough to put us in like all the same um seating and In the main like dining room area Well that and then we can all go get ice cream cones together Because that's what Garrett does every hour on the hour Oh Farron asked how I was feeling I'm feeling like 93 percent. I'm feeling pretty good Well, I'll tell you Karen. Here's the little tidbit and I've been watching bike videos He dropped a piece and plopped down just You know I dropped it like it was hot. Yeah, he did. He dropped it like it was hot and popped right back up I did and that's the first I've seen that so that was pretty good. It's the first I did that wait Tabitha said hold up now Tabitha Tabitha's with sunflower woodcrafts Says if you only help I know someone that lives down the street. Where is down the street? We are in glenn allen I mean and do we have to pay this help? Will they will they receive are they willing to receive payment and her she kisses? That's what we had on the table for the mother's day event Oh, yeah, Helen Helen didn't have cake for her wedding. She had a soft serve ice cream bar That's what I'm talking about Helen you and Garrett On the same wavelength for sure Guess what kanda said? That's the first thing I read up there when I popped up. Look, look read it. What does it say? I don't know if we're in the same space I'm watching the live. Oh, you're just not down there yet. All right. I'll let you keep going Oh, we'll work for tacos.  He'll pull dad tax on you. Yeah, I pulled dad tax Yeah, I have this thing called dad tax Man, I'm almost I almost don't have anybody left to dad tax Dad tax means dad gets 20 percent of whatever you have if you're holding an ice cream cone I proclaim dad tax and I take I take 25 percent. I don't see what I'm supposed to be looking for Can just wake a bit Something about a pet. Yeah, you see you didn't read it. It's a pet scam Not an actual pet Her husband's sick. Oh, it was sick. I didn't know what that was Here it doesn't know what's going on. I don't Cancer-free congratulations. I'm super happy to hear that what that means. Yes.   Yeah, she was dealing with a lot at home Man, you know what? You need Candace. You need a cruise stiff crank next year No, you need you need a cruise in uh six months And 2024 You got it. Yeah. Yep. Looking good, babe. Thanks This thing looks cool. Did you wear this together? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. This is my file. I designed this file. Yeah All kin all day I was just telling her this morning. I was like, look you're getting really good at this You need to continue making girls type signs. Yeah, I want to start making Signs that I like well, we're getting some feedback people guys want to come to the workshops But aren't coming Because there's not enough. There's nothing for the last guy painted a The american flag one And his wife was like, oh, it looks so good and he goes Yeah, this was the least girly thing they had. It's literally the only thing I could do on the And I was like, oh, yeah, you know what? Yeah, maybe I should start getting some good stuff. So I got a couple of files in the works right now Yeah, and this week's video is going to be Father's Day things. So we're excited about that. It's going to be kind of cool Yeah, it's kind of cool. I think uh We're going to do a little bit in AI Do so some more in adobe illustrator. We'll use the repeat tool repeat tool is uh Is great for a bunch of that a bunch of reasons. Oh, I'm going to show you how to make a quick box Yeah, there's going to be stacked stacked full of info You really Bring it together quickly now How cool is this thing? I'm loving it With the two layers or not two layers with the two layers.  You would bug me because I know But I guess it doesn't matter Not all the flowers are the same size. Oh I didn't even I didn't even test them out and even look thought they were all the same size What you did a great job just going in. Is it ready for lifting? No, not yet. I was going to read a couple comments You can make some man's man cave signs. Yes. Yeah, that's exactly what we need to do Oh spray some glitter on the patriotic one really make it pop Oh, yeah It totally needs all right. Look the other versions of no one get offended the other version of the sign pull it back Just a little bit pull it. Yeah. Yeah Um, the other version of this actually says welcome. We're a prickly bunch And that's the one I liked but garratt and tanner insisted we had to go with this one For humor's sake. I feel like you threw through us into the bus. I don't even remember this conversation Really? You just came up with this design because that's how your brain works came No, there's somebody else did this but I just that is not ready to hold on. Yeah Usually they're dry so fast give that one more second add a America option instead of welcome and do one with a motorcycle and more fishing and some hunting and you'll be golden I got a motorcycle one in the works. I have a hunting and a fishing in the works and a mountain biking one in the works Yeah, bondy says we're doing a 10-day disney trip with our grandson. I mean an extra vacation after that trip. Yeah, exactly Yeah, well, I don't know. I mean If disney cruises or anything like the cruises we've been on with the kids The kids stay busy and go to bed tired Yeah, bonnie. It was bonnie who did this one. Yeah, isn't that cool? Yeah, yours is what I really liked. Well, I like the one that said We're a prickly bunch, but I just had to go do my own version of that sign. I thought it was so cool And we like the snarky signs those colors are gorgeous. Thanks, you know, this is So it pops on the yeah Isn't that cool how you can just bring it to life because we're using that ai that Same color palette that we have and paints. We're able to like make it just come straight to life Like jumps right off the page. Yeah, and then there's the orange version And here was the this one's like blue and navy and a little pink on it so Now what if it was this one? I think both would look good, honestly And I'm looking at this sign and it totally needs the red stripe at the top Right well does it need it like in the middle? Is it too far? No too much of a gap No, I left the same gap as the red stripe. This is the same Thickness thickness So it looks like it's He just happens to be flying right through the flag His head just crashed through the flag. He was flying so fast The fabric didn't have time to react. He just ripped it Yes, um, Helen said can we share the different color ways on the website so we can reference them to yeah, exactly Yes, definitely The camp profile isn't girly per se. I agree. I agree. Yeah And love that one Candace said yes motorcycle sign Guys, it's pouring The hail here. Are you supposed to get any storms there? Yeah, they said it was gonna roll through This afternoon. So I haven't when I went out there to grab That aquarium it was looking really cloudy. So it came hate storms. Yeah hates them. Oh, there we go Rolling me under the bus. Yeah, blast. How does it feel? Kim? I don't like it. Yeah I am there and love a good storm and she hates storms one of our songs on our One of our workshop playlists Is I love a rainy night, you know by she loves that song. What's his name eddie? Oh, I don't recall I've forgotten now Yeah, and every time I love to sing it, but I don't love a rainy night.  It keeps her up She's always on her phone watching the storm so there was Something back here about the golf sign The master sign and then the caddy shack sign. Yep. I got oh eddie rabbit. Nice job, you guys.  Yeah, so quick Christians that are the palates and ai names somewhere with the color names You know, I'm gonna do some illustrator stuff again And we will go through how to set up your workspace again and how to import Templates and color palettes or color swatch palettes, I guess We'll go over all that again All right, so before we wrap it up here. I'll put them out on patreon Reminder that tomorrow is the patron zoom call I will post something tonight to let you guys know and kind of put that on your radar for tomorrow And like I said next Tuesday, we're moving So we will I mean that was a lovely move day No next Tuesday Tuesday next to you. I'm sorry. You're right. Okay Next Tuesday is our kids graduation. So we won't be here because we'll be out for graduation But then whoa the following Tuesday The following Tuesday is move day. So back to back Tuesdays. We have something going on and we won't We'll have to take off I guess half a day for graduation all day for moves And then Thursday the first for the day off. Yeah You don't even get a day off the answer is no keep working Work in the evening something like that And then that Thursday so the funny thing about our move is we have to be out on the 30th But we can't move in until the first so We have two days the night of the 30th and the night of the 31st We're going to go camping The warehouse I think we're going to stay in the warehouse. So we're going to camp out in the warehouse for two days We will see and I heard it's haunted It's not Makes it fun. All right Moving houses we're moving houses Cassandra. We're moving closer To this workshop almost 30 minutes closer every single day Since we put the house on the market Garrett on this ride to work and home I can't wait to move. I can't wait to move. I chanted right now. It's like 30 to 40 minutes 45 50 minutes It all depends on what traffic is like and it will be in the morning It's closer to 50 minutes, and it'll be like 15 minutes from where 13 minutes Well, and you don't even know I don't know how what could traffic be like Nothing We don't even have to get on a highway I can get I can get I can ride my bike to work then it might not take 13 minutes but All right Here's this show of golf or hitting the ball into the water with tech saying you don't have the You don't have the balls to do that again Oh, that's a good one. All right. All right. That was it for comments. So you ready to wrap it up? Yeah, what time is it? 5 20 5 18. Oh, no Hold on. All right. Well, Kim's got to clean up the laptop. She just got star bond on her screen. So If you're You will totally see us on Friday. That's a good one too. So we are about out of time We will see you on Friday. We're gonna do it build it and make it and learn a little bit more about adobe illustrator It's gonna be it's gonna be a fun one


Hi everyone, Sean with jaspyscasebreaks.com here doing 2021 hit parade football sapphire edition series four hobby six box case Break pick your team number or sorry random team number two Where all carded ship obviously 32 spots high risk high reward 2021 hit parade football sapphire edition series four each box contains one sensational card That's either protected by one touched or graded slab from PSA or Beckett What's included low numbered autographs dual triple and booklet autos one of ones PSA or Beckett graded Autographs and peck PSA and Beckett graded rookies only the best make the cut for sapphire 50 hand numbered boxes are produced. They then take those 50 car. They take 36 of those Boxes and they randomly insert them into six cases the other 14 They sell individually and you'll see on here. 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What's up everyone take down here welcome back to another reaction video the official trailer for marbles avengers endgame Just got released a couple hours ago. I'm super excited because this movie is coming out April 26th If I believe so, let's go and check this trailer right now.   I can already feel that when I watch the movie. I'm so excited for this. Oh My god, I love that. It's the whole Marvel universe pretty much banding together other than X-Men and Fantastic four, I think that'd be interesting if they made an appearance in the future This is gonna be an amazing movie. I am freaking ready for this That's Captain Marvel. I didn't know she was gonna be in this. That's awesome Because that's movies just coming out now. I believe So that looks freaking amazing. I'm definitely excited for Avengers Endgame as you guys can probably tell I am a huge Marvel fan. I love all of the Marvel movies I'm definitely excited for this one. I can't wait to see what happens the facts that at the end since this is the last Movie trailer before the movie actually gets released on April 26th at the end It finally shares that Captain Marvel is going to be in the movie Which I'm excited for Captain Marvel the standalone movie just came out not too long ago and to have her be part of the Avengers Endgame it's gonna be very interesting to see how that all ties in together and to see what actually happens because of it I'm super excited to see what happens with Endgame just because of the aftermath of Infinity War It's gonna be very interesting to see what happens moving forward So comment down below if you guys are excited for Avengers Endgame. I know I am I honestly can't wait for this movie It looks freaking phenomenal, but I am gonna leave this video here. I hope you guys did enjoy I'll see you guys in the next video. Please take care. Peace