Thanks for organizing this great conference and thank you all for coming to this session. It is a great opportunity for us to present some of the work we are doing with colleagues at the fund and the bank on what we think is a very timely and important issue, the issue of diversification and structural transformation in low income countries. In a minute I will provide the motivation why we care about diversification and transformation in the IMF. You may be thinking this is a bigger issue, especially for the World Bank, but I think we are thinking more of the macro perspective than the micro perspective, but I'll get to that in a minute. Let me start with the motivation. Why care about diversification and transformation? I think the first bullet is our starting point. The idea is that leaks have historically been heavily dependent on a very narrow set of products, especially commodities and traditionals, and on a few, very few export markets. Now speaking to authorities, so for example I worked for the team going to Tanzania and Uganda, it's been a long standing ambition for many of these low income countries to diversify, but we have very limited experience of what aspects of diversification are important, especially as you will see in a minute I'm referring to the macro perspective. It is true that over the last 20 years or so with the growth spurt that Governor Dulu was speaking to us about earlier this morning, a lot of these, some of these countries have diversified, and I'll give you an example of a few, but there is a lot of heterogeneity in the leak sample. Some have done very well in the diversification, transformation dimension, but some have not. So the attempt of this initial paper, we have an entire project agenda on this, which is funded by the way, but the umbrella paper that set the stage is based on stylized facts, facts that I will provide to you here and in 10, 15 minutes and later we can discuss different dimensions aspects of these stylized facts. Ultimately what we want to do with this project is of course to inform the policy debate on diversification, structural transformation, which is basically the theme of this conference, but more closely related to sub-Saharan Africa. Now again you may have been thinking why the fund, why the IMF is interested in a subject like this. Historically, you know, it's a subject that the World Bank is an expert on. Now we believe that the subject of diversification and structural transformation is macro-critical. So in other words, it's macro-critical in two dimensions. One, it is associated with growth and it is also related to reducing volatility. And here I'm going to just show you only a couple of cross-country pictures, figures, and again if you want to talk about this we can speak during the discussion session. What we have here is on the vertical axis, real GDP growth and the horizontal axis, we have our index of diversification, which basically as we increase this index of diversification, we have basically more concentration. So basically this tells you that as countries become more concentrated, there is lower growth. So there is an association between more concentration and lower growth or put it another way, there is a positive relationship between diversification and growth. We have done a lot of analysis with this, at least at this point at the association level. One dimension that is interesting is when we look at diversification spurts in extensive periods of time where countries transform or diversify their economies. And we have split our sample between fragile and non-fragile states. Fragile states are states that the World Bank defines as very low capacity, about 20 or 25 countries, and non-fragile states, which are the rest. And what we find is that basically diversification episodes or spurts are associated with sharp increase in growth, especially for the non-fragile state leaks. Now the story extends to volatility as you may expect. We do a similar exercise, but instead of having growth on the left-hand side, we have volatility or a measure of volatility, and we get this positive relationship between concentration again and volatility, or an inverse relationship between diversification and volatility. And also we perform the exercise with our newly developed spurred diversification episodes. And what we find is that output volatility diminishes after major diversification episodes. Now this is very broad brush analysis, we can talk about this later on, but this is a response to the big question why the fund is interested in this issue. It's macro-critical, it's related to growth, it's related to volatility, and more recently we get a lot of demand from our state holders on exactly this question, and of course you will see in a minute why. So in the next 10 minutes, what I'd like to impress you upon is the ability we have nowadays to do work with low-income countries, especially on issues of diversification and transformation, and especially coming from export data, which is pretty good. It's very current and it extends to many or all low-income countries. So I will emphasize on three dimensions here. First, we will talk about trade diversification indices across products and partners. Then I will introduce you to a new dimension that perhaps you have never heard before, is the quality upgrading dimension, which we view as a dimension of diversification. So the idea is that countries can expand on the product variety, they can export new goods, or they can stick to what they produce and increase the quality of these products. We have developed a quality index here, which is sort of first, this is new to this literature. And finally, I'd like to impress you upon the idea that you can take this cross-country analysis and bring it down very easily to case studies. So I'll show you a case study we've done on Tanzania, a country I have worked on and no more, but this can be extended in many other countries. And in the end, I will leave you with some main takeaways to enrich our discussion later on. So it would be a mission not to replicate the trademark of this literature, which is this cross, very broad cross-sectional relationship between diversification and per capita GDP. This is work by a few artists. I mean, Imps and Warziak in the AER is the pioneer paper that showcased this U-shaped relationship. Basically what this says is, first of all, let me describe the axis, the vertical axis is a diversification index. And the way you measure it is that the lower the index, the greater the diversification. And then on the horizontal axis you have per capita GDP. So what you see is that earlier in development countries benefit from diversification and then from reconcentration. So what you see here is basically early on in development, you see more diversification up until 25 or 30 thousand dollars. And then for whatever reason, that we'll try to explain later or we can discuss, there is a tendency for re-concentrating. So at the beginning you exploit more on producing more goods and exporting more varieties, but then as time goes by, perhaps because of increasing your education, you specialize more. So this is the evidence. Now this is the evidence where we also support what we manage to do in order to tackle issues of diversification in low income countries is to extend this very well known data set by Finstra, which started basically in 1988, all the way back to 1962 and include all low income countries. So this data is now available for 178 countries going back to 1962. Actually, if you know this data, that's where the dirty work had to happen, you know, because we had all the information we needed, but this information did not include low income countries.  So before you were getting the cross-country relationship, now you get also the time series dimension of it. Now what I wanted to show here is to focus, to emphasize where the low income countries lie in this cross-section. As you can see, it's very much to the left, indicating lower development, but also notice the huge variability, which is, of course, very interesting in trying to explain. Perhaps more interesting is to look at the time series dimension of this data. And here what we have on my left panel is diversification indices across time by income group. The red is low income countries, the green is middle income countries, and the blue is low income countries. Again, higher diversification means, sorry, higher number, higher index means lower diversification. So the first thing that jumps out of this figure is that, of course, low income countries are less diversified. They are very high up here. And of course, high income are very diversified. They are down here. The interesting thing that I think is very worth noting is that since 1990s or mid-1990s it's even better. You start seeing an increase in diversification which is indicated by this lowering of this index, right? And it's quite dramatic, if you will. I mean, this is only 15 years, but it's quite dramatic. And if you see the right-hand side panel, this is primarily driven by two groups. Thank you. The sub-Saharan African countries and East Asia. But sub-Saharan Africa is basically a main contributor. Okay, now changes in diversification are parallel by shifts in relative importance of agriculture. Basically what we show here is with the red bar is the share of agriculture in sub-Saharan Africa from 2006 to 2010 compared to the share in 1965 to 1970. So you see a drastic decrease in the share in agriculture and the opposite in manufacturing. We can see for example in East Asia, in 1965 the share of manufacturing was very small and that was true for almost. That's not so much the case in sub-Saharan Africa. Something that again was indicated by Governor Dullo. Okay, what we want to emphasize here is that there is also great diversification in partners. So not only in products but also who you trade with. And this is in particular in sub-Saharan Africa after 2006. I mean it's spectacular how much of the increase that you see in the number of new export partners in sub-Saharan Africa is greater increase than any other region in the world. And this is what we want to say with these figures is that this is primarily driven by looking at eastward. The links are becoming weaker with Europe and stronger with China. Now I want to spend one minute on quality upgrading. So countries have the choice of increasing the number of goods exported so they can increase the number of varieties they export that they export or they can stick with what they produce and increase quality. And here I will skip a couple of slides and show you some of the figures that we obtain from our new measure of quality upgrading. Basically what we find is that quality upgrading is crucial component of development. This is sort of a new result. This is new data particularly when countries go from low to low middle. It's not so important once you reach middle income status. As you can see our index becomes flat. That means you achieve very high quality after $10,000 and above. But before that there is a lot of scope for increasing in quality. And the interesting surprising result we obtain here is that when we do the same exercise splitting the index between manufacturing and agriculture we see the same tendency for manufacturing as well as agriculture. Indicating that there is a lot of scope for quality upgrading in the agricultural sector as well. We are able to split the quality measure all the way down to the good level. Here is for example across countries. We can do that for Asian countries and we can do this for Sub-Saharan African countries and going back to 1960s. So if you are interested in a particular case we can show you what has been the quality improvement over a period of time. We can talk about this later. This data is also able to do something intriguing I think not only to show where for example Sub-Saharan Africa is in terms of quality but also its potential. So in other words where Sub-Saharan Africa can export and have potential. And here of course it's clear that the potential is huge but actual quality is very low compared to Asia. This is something again that if you are interested we can talk further. One case study and then I'll conclude. We have done a lot of case studies. One is Tanzania for example consistent with what Professor Dulu was talking about. We can identify an increase in manufacturing which is given by the red bar here but also a huge increase in exporters movement away from India and towards China and Switzerland which is interesting but we think this is because of gold. And here is a nice picture where and I'll leave you with that where we show where Tanzania stands in terms of quality. We show you the share of the percentage exports in terms of total share with the blue bar charts. So these two which is commodities and traditional goods would be the goods that are most exported. We can show you the ladder of quality, the potential, and where they belong. So what this shows is that they have a lot of opportunity for quality upgrading. And I'll leave you with these conclusions. We think that diversification and structural transformation is hugely important for development. They are very macro relevant and you know at the fund we are trying to look deeper into these issues in terms of drivers and so on. Thank you.


وأقول في القرآن ما جاءت به آياته فهو الكاريم المنزاله وأقول قال الله جل جلاله والمصطف الهدي ولا أتأوله الحمد لله رب العالمين له الحمد الحسن والثناء الجميل وأشد أن لا إله إلا الله وحده لا شريك له يقول الحقا وهو يهدي السبيل وأشد أن محمد عبدوه ورسوله صلى الله عليه وعلى آله وأصحابه والتابعين لهم بحسان إلى يوم الدين أما بعد إن شاء الله تعالى today I'm going to be starting a topic الأمن من مكر الله to feel safe and secure from the punishment of Allah سبحانه وتعالى I want to start by saying my beloved brothers and sisters it is obligatory on each and every one of us to fear Allah سبحانه وتعالى and to have hope of Him every slave male or female must travel on this earth and tread on this earth with hope and fear hope and fear is like it is like the two wings of a bird the bird cannot fly with one wing it requires two wings to fly each wing represents something the first wing represents hope and the second wing represents fear and if you have one and you don't have the other you will not be able to fly you will not be able to fly to Jannah you will not be able to get to your destination your ultimate destination you're trying to reach which is the pleasure of your Lord الله سبحانه وتعالى we need to fear Him سبحانه وتعالى the way He deserves to be feared I have hope of Him سبحانه وتعالى الله سبحانه وتعالى He praised the believers for having this quality fear and hope الله سيزن القرآن أم من هو قانة أنا الليل ساجدة وقائم يحذر الآخرة ويرجو رحمة ربه قل هل يستوي الذين يعلمون والذين لا يعلمون إنما يتذكروا أولو الألباب الله سبحانه وتعالى He mentions in this verse أم من هو قانة أنا الليل ساجدة the one who spends the entire night prostrating to Allah سبحانه وتعالى He spends the whole entire night in sujood He spends the whole entire night standing for Allah سبحانه وتعالى He is scared of the hereafter He is also hoping for the mercy of Allah سبحانه وتعالى He is combined between the two Fear of what is going to probably take the day of judgment He is scared of it يحذر الآخرة ويرجو رحمة ربه And that person also hopes He also hopes for the mercy of Allah سبحانه وتعالى And then Allah تبارك وتعالى He mentions He says قل هل يستوي الذين يعلمون Are they equal the ones who know and the ones who don't know قل هيا The ones who know are the ones who stood up at night and they prayed And they prostrated to Allah سبحانه وتعالى And they stood up for their Lord They became scared of the hereafter And hoping for the mercy of Allah سبحانه وتعالى They're the ones who know And the ones who don't know are the ones who didn't wake up at night and did not pray They did not prostrate to their Lord They did not stand up for their Lord They did not become scared of the affairs of the hereafter They did not hope for the mercy of their Lord They're the ones who don't know Are those two types of people equal? The answer is clear No, they are not And Allah سبحانه وتعالى says after that إنما يتذكروا أولو الألواب The ones who take heed are the wise ones Allah سبحانه وتعالى also says in another ayah تتجاء فاجنوبهم عن المضاجع يدعون ربهم خوفا وطمعا ومن ما رزقناهم يوفقون Allah سبحانه وتعالى he mentions that these believers they get up from their beds they leave their beds the comfort they leave their partners they walk away from all of that and they go up and they stand up and they pray to their Lord Allah سبحانه وتعالى they worship Him سبحانه وتعالى their bodies want the bed they desire the bed but they choose they make this decision in their minds to leave their beds what do they do يدعون ربهم they call and they supplicate to their Lord and when they do it they do with what خوفا they are scared وطمعا and they have hope ومن ما رزقناهم يوفقون and whatever Allah has given them سبحانه وتعالى from their wealth they choose to give it in the cause of Allah سبحانه وتعالى so these people their quality is what they are ones who worship Allah في دجل ليل at night time when others choose not to when others choose to relax and they choose comfort and they choose to treat their body these ones they can't sleep they are consistently remembering the day of judgment that's on their mind they are terrified they are scared and they are also hoping for Allah so they wake up and they stand up and they pray and when they are praying their prayer is with hope and it's also with fear and when they wake up in the morning they go and may give their wealth out for the sake of Allah ومن ما رزقناهم يوفقون and they give from the wealth that Allah has given them سبحانه وتعالى they give from that wealth they are not stingy the world is not too deeply rooted in their hearts where they hold back no they choose to give ومن ما رزقناهم يوفقون الله سبحانه وتعالى he also says الله mentioned a few number of prophets he spoke about them and when he spoke about them الله سبحانه وتعالى he said these prophets they used to hasten to the good they would rush to the good they wouldn't stay back if anything good came up they would run to it الله then says ويدعوننا and they supplicate to us they call on to us ويدعوننا رغبا ورحبا and they do it with fear and hope they combine between fear and hope وكانوا لنا خاشيعين and they are humble slaves of ours they have a characteristics of خشوع humility and humbleness for الله سبحانه وتعالى they give from their wealth they pray at night they hasten to good they supplicate to their Lord all of those good deeds that I mentioned they do it with fear and hope they do it with fear and hope that is what is required from us many of us were either extremely scared and frightened and we don't come with what we were told to come with due to our fear or we are excessively full of hope of Allah سبحانه وتعالى that we are very deeply rooted with hope that everything is going to be the way we want and hope it overcomes us and we leave off that which Allah سبحانه وتعالى commanded us the quality of the belief is not that there is excessive hope or excessive fear it should be a combination of the two there should be fear and there should be hope when Allah سبحانه وتعالى spoke about the angels the Malayka they want you to understand the angels are a creation who don't disobey Allah سبحانه وتعالى they are consistently obeying him they are doing exactly what they are told to do the angels are a brilliant creation of Allah Allah mentioned them in the Quran لا يعصون الله ما أمرهم يفعلون ما يؤمرون they do not disobey Allah the angels they do not disobey Allah and they do exactly what they are told to do لا يعصون الله ما أمرهم ويفعلون and they do ما يؤمرون that which they are commanded and another ay Allah تعالى he says about the angels يسبحون الليلة والنهارة لا يفطرون the angels they exalt and they praise and they glorify Allah day and night and they never give up with that being said those angels that are like that what did Allah say about them يخافون ربهم من فوقهم ما يؤمرون الله تعالى he says they are scared of their lord الله سبحانه وتعالى they are scared of him they are terrified and they do what he tells them to do now please ponder with me my beloved brothers and sisters the quality that is mentioned here is that يخافون ربهم they are scared of their lord الله عز و جل the angels this is the Malaiqa being spoken about here if the angels are like that who actually are doing everything Allah told them to do and they are upholding and steadfast upon the good if they are scared of Allah they are terrified then what should our situation be where this is being Allah day and night where wrong in the creation day and night we have to be consistently be scared to always be worried where are we get ahead where are we going are we going to be forgiven are we going to be stole his mercy on to us يخافون ربهم من فوقهم the second part of the ayah that really moves a person's heart is و يفعلون ما يؤمرون it's not just a fear that's just there by itself with no actions they do what they are told to do they've combined between fear and coming with righteous action they are scared but they are also working hard it's not praise worthy to just be scared what is praise worthy is you're scared and you're exerting the effort الله تعالى said about the believers the true believers may Allah make us from the believers and write us amongst the believers الله تعالى said about the believers إذا ذكر الله وجلت قلوبهم و إذا تليت عليهم آياته زادتهم إيمانا و على ربهم يتوكلون الله سبحانه وتعالى he said the believers are nothing إنما المؤمنون the believers are nothing except this إذا ذكر الله when Allah is mentioned وجلت قلوبهم their hearts move their hearts shakes that's what happens to them يعني their hearts tremble the quality of the believer is when Allah is mentioned the heart of the believer is terrified and scared this is a noble characteristics of a mu'min and when Allah is mentioned وجلت قلوبهم their hearts move و إذا تليت عليهم آياته when the verses of Allah are recited onto them زادتهم إيمانا it increases their iman it makes them righteous it increases their iman when the verses of Allah are recited يعني the Quran increases their iman if you know that the Quran is the thing that increases your iman what should you do the thing that you need to do is you should always run to it you should always see it as a source that thing that you go to when you're feeling خبهين and you're feeling suffering and you're feeling lonely and you're feeling anxieties and depression the one thing that you run to is what the book of Allah many of us are looking for other things و إذا تليت عليهم آياته when the verses of Allah is read onto them زادتهم إيمانا increases their iman و على ربهم يتوكلون and they rely on their Lord they have إيمان of Allah توقل in Allah there's no one else they have let's ponder over this verse the ayah saying إِنَّمَا is what's being used here إِنَّمَا is من أدوات الحصر which basically means this is the true quality of the believers the true quality of the believers is that the mentioning of Allah the remembrance of Allah is something that has a direct effect on their hearts there's a relationship between the religion and their heart it's not artificial so it's just outside when Allah goes to the heart street way they have good heart like that so when Allah is mentioned their hearts become heavy and what happens after that when the verse of Allah is then recited on them زادتهم إيمان increases their iman and the quality that they also have is و على ربهم يتوكلون there's a second hasr that's mentioned here which is و على ربهم it's جارن المجرور the context normally would have been يتوكلون على الله و يتوكلون على ربهم but here it became and this shows the تقديمة لتأخيرها it shows again hasr there is no one else they rely on they only rely on Allah سبحانه وتعالى in another ayah Allah سبحانه وتعالى he says أولئك يسارعون في الخيرات و هم لها سابقون الله تبارك وتعالى he says إن الذين are the ones هم من خشية ربهم مشفقون these are people who are scared they are terrified they come with the characteristics of خشية they are worried they are always consistently worried of that day when they are going to meet الله سبحانه وتعالى but they are not just worried and they are sitting around and doing nothing what they do is what they do is their fear of Allah leads them toward to believe in the verses of Allah they believe the verses of Allah with unwavering conviction that's where the salvation and prosperity is so that's where they run to this one and the ayah before إنما المؤمنون الذين إذا ذكر الله وجلت قلوبهم إذا تلت عليهم آيات وزاعدتهم إيمان وعلى ربهم يتوكلون the concept of the Quran has been mentioned both verses these people they run back to the Quran they go to the speech of their Lord الله سبحانه وتعالى and they believe in it they believe in it and they recite it والذين هم بربهم now you should call and the other quality that these people have you see upon us with Allah they stay away from shirk and whatever would lead to shirk they stay away from the تعويس and the تمائم they stay away from these superstitious things that people are setting for themselves that you've inherited from your culture which is a means to major shirk they stay away from showing off they cleanse their heart from all of that they stay away from swearing by other than Allah سبحانه وتعالى they stay away from grave worshipping they stay away from calling on to the Awliya والذين هم بربهم لا يشكون they don't associate partners with Allah والذين يؤتون ماءاتهم وقلوبهم وجلة أنهم إلى ربهم راجعون they are the ones who come with what they come with وقلوبهم وجلة and their hearts are trembling their hearts are shaken وجلة أنهم إلى ربهم راجعون they fully are aware of that they are going to return back to their Lord Allah سبحانه وتعالى they know they are going to be accounted one day they are going to be judged for everything that they said they know that they are going to be judged for what they did to the creation and they are consistently asking the people for forgiveness they are begging the people for forgiveness they know that they are a slave of Allah their statements are right or wrong they are scared والذين يؤتون ماءاتهم وقلوبهم وجلة أنهم إلى ربهم راجعون الله says about them those who have those qualities what are those qualities إن الذين هم من خشية ربهم الشفقون they are scared of Allah والذين هم بآيات ربهم يؤمنون they believe in the best of Allah سبحانه وتعالى والذين هم بربهم لا يشكون they don't associate partners with Allah وقلوبهم وجلة أنهم إلى ربهم راجعون those who come with the good deeds that they come with and their hearts are trembling and they know that they are going to return back to Allah those people here they are the ones who are truly hastening to the good and they are the ones who are reaching it the ones who are going to believe إن شاء الله تعالى are the ones who are hastening to good running to good is that these are the qualities that they come with they are scared they believe in the best of their Lord they don't associate partners with Allah تعالى they come with that which they come with whilst their hearts are trembling and they know that they are going to return to their Lord الله سبحانه وتعالى الله تعالى he said in the Quran in another verse he said will will will remember the blessings which i have bestowed upon you will be for you i will fulfill my promises i made for you وائية وائية be scared of me the last part is where i went from the ayah the way Allah commanded them وَإِيَا يَفَرْحَبُونَ فِيَا مِيْ، بِيْسْكَرَفْ مِيْ، بِنَ نَذَا أَيَا اللَّهِ سُبْحَانَهُ وَتَعَالَهِ سَيْزَ وَأَمِنُوا بِمَا أَنْزَلْتُ مُصدِّقَ لِمَا مَا مَعْكُمْ وَلَا تَكُونُ أَوَلَ كَافِرٍ بِهِ وَلَا تَشْتَرُوا بِ آيَا تِي ثَمَنًا قَلِيلًا وَإِيَا يَفَا التَّقُونَ في هذا الآياء الله تبارك وتعالى he says وَلَا تَشْتَرُوا دُوْنَا أَسْسَلْتُ the verses of Allah ثَمَنًا قَلِيلًا for a short small price وَإِيَا يَفَا التَّقُونَ and be conscious of me fear me الله أكبر وَإِيَا يَفَا رْهَبُونَ وَإِيَا يَفَا التَّقُونَ those are the qualities that we need to come with في هذا الآياء الله تبارك وتعالى he is very explicit and he says الله تبارك وتعالى he says be scared of a day be conscious of a day لَا تَجْزِي نَفْسُونَ عَنْ نَفْسِينَ شَيْعَا no one is going to help you that day the people that today love you don't necessarily will not necessarily be your aid and support you're alone that day you're by yourself to be honest لَا تَجْزِي نَفْسُونَ عَنْ نَفْسِينَ شَيْعَا no one can help you your children are not going to help you your parents are not going to help you your wife is not going to help you no one is going to help you that day وَلا يُقُبَلُوا مِنْهَا شَفَاعَا intercession that day is not permitted and this is the type of intercession which is negated there are two types of intercession there's شفاع مُثبتة and there's also a shafa'a manfiyah this shafa'a is the one that الله تبارك وتعالى will not accept which is the shafa'a that is done by someone who Allah doesn't want for them to do it and he's doing it for someone Allah doesn't want it to be done for this is the shafa'a which is not accepted الله يقول وَلا يُقُبَلُوا مِنْهَا عَدْلُوا وَلَهُمْ يُنْصَرُونَ this beginning of the ayah which is وَتَقُوا يَوْمَا to be scared of that day this quality of fearing and having hope is very vital in our religion الله سبحانه وتعالى he says in another ayah فَلا تخشوهُم don't be scared of them الله says so I can complete my blessings and favours on to you and I can guide you on the straight path الله says don't be scared of anyone who threatens you who scares you be scared of Allah سبحانه وتعالى be a slave of Allah فَلا تخشوهُم don't be scared of them وَخشوهُم be scared of me الله is the one who's worthy of being feared سبحانه وتعالى I'm going to stop there إن شاء الله وتعالى anything which I have said that was wrong or incorrect is from me and Shaytan and Allah and his messenger are both free from it سبحانك الله و بحمده أشهدوا أن لا إله إلا 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Okay, right, hello everyone, and welcome to the 1.30pm session in developer and open source track. As a reminder to track in rather than web audience, you can do the full conference schedule at conference.opensimulator.org and tweet your questions or comments to openapp.opensim.cc with the hashtag OSCC4T. So at this hour, we are happy to introduce the two of the relevant pandas I'm waiting by myself, justing to start taking. Our pandas leaders today are Jessica Lee, who is the founder and project manager of the Phoenix Firestorm Project Incorporated, a non-profit company with over 80 support staff and developers working under it. The project is responsible for developing the very popular Phoenix and Firestorm viewers used in Second Life and other virtual worlds. So I'm probably not doing this in order, I just recognise. So now it's obviously Jessica in the middle there. The left of Jessica is Angela Fionn's stage, it's Nikki Perriam, who is retired from the United States Army and ABB. Building the Kokura Viewer is his major hobby. Nikki believes that building the Kokura Viewer is a good way to exercise, but then it's not a terrible surgery. Nikki lives in a rural area, but in the USA. Arkansas, of course. And to divide on the couch there, we have Niu Fears, who is a long-time singularity developer. Niu Fears, and I'm probably not saying that right either, it's probably fire, it's not fear, sorry. Stepped in fairly late on, so I'm very happy to have her. And hopefully, late on, you'll also be joined by Sydney Biscuits, who I think is having some connectivity problems right now. But she's worked on quite a few viewers for a long time, including the Phoenix Firestorm, and currently, companies are working on various other virtual world projects. Her goal is to see the Metaverse thriving on its own and burdened by corporate ownership. Unfortunately, I do want to say this, we worked due to have the TV here today, but as many of you may have seen, the TV hasn't been very well as it is blocked about at the moment, and unfortunately you can't join us, but I'm sure you'll all join me in hoping that he feels better soon. So, welcome, everyone. And I don't think, unfortunately, Sydney has been able to rejoin us yet. So, we're going to start. So, the format of this is basically, I've had a set of pre-prepared questions about various view-related topics, and of course, heavily related to open sims, as you would imagine in this kind of thing. And I'm basically going to work for another panelist to talk about them in turn as they see fit for as long as, well, not obviously as long as they like, because it'll take the whole time, but at whatever length they think is appropriate or as short as they like. And then after that, as we get through the questions, I'm going to open up for questions from the audience. So, let's just get going here. So, the first thing, really, obviously I have a few questions there, but I would like to give everybody an opportunity to state a bit about the standards of Aussie. I'd like to miss something out or something like that. So, I'm just going to ask, in order here, from Nikki on the left here, could you introduce yourself, or if you feel like I've done it already, don't worry about it. Maybe tell us a bit about the current state of your view of projects. So, Nikki. Okay. So, the thing that we've most recently done is split off the OpenSim view completely as a new branch for the second line. That was done due to some limitations that I was running into. I'm trying to keep the AISP3 inventory and pipeline current with all of the OpenSim grids. And those viewers who would work on some OpenSim grids and not others, and I haven't been able to resolve that. So, I've made a decision to go ahead and split off as a separate branch and use the second line, 3-7-8 as the base for that branch and still going to build forward from there. So, Firestorm, we're kind of in a similar boat as Nikki is with Kikua. We're in the process of merging Limit Labs AISP3, which will more or less make out legacy baking. But we're going to handle it, we're probably going to handle it a different way. I think what we're going to do is merge in AISP3 and then reintegrate legacy baking after that. So, we're in the process of, we're in a release cycle right now for our next release. It will not have AISP3. After that, though, we'll be handling that merge and then dealing with things from there. We have some challenges so I can talk about more in-depth as we go through this in that regard. But I'll pass it over to Liru. Okay. So, I'm a little bit sick. So, excuse my horse voice. So, I work on both Singularity Viewer and Alchemy Viewer, which is a new project. It's a V3, which, like Kikua and Firestorm, it is using the new interface. There's not much to say for the OpenSim site yet, but we are planning to develop a whole suite so that OpenSim connectivity can be easily ported to many viewers, no matter what platform they're using. As for the Singularity site, well, everything is doing pretty well. We don't have to worry about the merges with upstream we pick what we need and basically that's it. So, yeah, I guess that's it since Singularity is not here and the team is out. Just moving on to kind of like question one here. So, actually, this, I think, relates about what you've just been talking about with things like baked-out avatars. But the first question I wanted to kind of ask you is that, is OpenSim related to becoming harder or easier to support? And in that context, what needs to be improved to have OpenSim related to support work with your viewers better? So, Nicky, if you would care to start. Yes, I think it is getting harder to support, but I don't think it's all going to open down to just develop what we're going to do. The projects as a mature and way-put-in, the more it's harder to campaign and put in new stuff. And I don't know what to do to improve that particular situation. You can't get your stuff. You've got to move forward with all of it. I'll move this on over to Jessica. Yeah, I have some kind of unique challenges.  And then there's also, I'm faced with human resources challenges. And I've been finding, despite that we've made a lot of efforts in the last two years to make Firestormers compatible with OpenSim as we can, we've sort of been in many ways slighted by OpenSim administrators, I guess. And I mean, one of the things that motivates developers is having your product used, knowing that people are using your product, seeing that it's being promoted. And we found that places like OS Grid, for example, Firestormers down at the bottom of the page, barely above 1.223 viewers that don't even support MASH. And even this conference, for example, at no point anywhere was Firestorms suggested to be used. It was singularity. And that's fine. But the problem with that is it becomes a challenge for me then to motivate my developers to do OpenSim work because they sort of feel like they've been, you know, snubbed. So I've got two challenges. One is obviously we've got the coding challenges, but we've also got the challenges of just trying to find developers who are willing to keep Firestorm compatible. So we're merging this AIS-3 into Firestorm, which needs to be done. But then I'm faced with, you know, how am I going to get, like I see, baking back into Firestorm and who am I going to get to do it? You know, we had a sender doing a lot of the work for OpenSim for a while. And now I'm at a point where I don't have any developers left who really even have an interest in OpenSim, mainly because of, you know, its impressions that we seem to get. So, you know, we have to keep moving forward. I'm going to keep doing what I can to keep things going. I have to give a shout-out to Littlefield. They have been fantastic and instrumental, and really that's the motivation we have right now is to keep things going for Littlefield and the EDUs, the Edge Educational Systems. We have a lot of Grids that you use Firestorm for educational, and obviously we support them 100%. But yeah, that's our challenges right now. Okay, so I know there's probably quite a lot of comment on that, but maybe if I can go to Leru and let us speak about this question as she wants first. And then we actually have a very short disruption because the core quality is degraded. But Leru, if you could just go on. Sorry, not go on, if you could just talk about this if you want to set a question. Well, there's not much to say. I mean, I've been working with the people in IRC on OpenSim Dev, and I've found it really easy to support. There's new things or all the things that need to be supported or just mentioned. And so it's been pretty easy. I mean, what needed to improve last year was communication and that's really improved. Hey, I actually just wanted to come back to just this point, just that I think it's a good point to talk about that. So maybe we'll actually talk about it at the end of just this. Okay, I think it's just okay with that. Yeah. I think that maybe you can push, I think. I might not go on for this too long, I think. Maybe it's party communication because I think that it's a good point to talk about this. I think that's any better. Okay, so. I think it would be useful to just maybe explore a little bit further that has to do with issues of fire while operating in a firefighter room in particular. I think, I mean, from my perspective, I think that a lot of people in the community can do some of the things. Maybe there's a little question because I've just seen quite a few people in the audience here who have put very much fossil users. And I've been keen on it, so maybe there's a better communication for that, I think. Maybe this is any of my personal favorite which may or may not be correct this time. Maybe it's a bit of a project culture that might or might not understand everything that Firestone comes when the champ's second wife says that my culture of across the world is to talk in maybe involved groups and talking about things involved. Whereas I've been seen in particular for the most constant need and source culture of having people in IRC channels and talking in IRC. And I've never been able to do it. Maybe I'll go far enough I've never been able to locate any kind of active IRC channel and a few of us actually use it. We used to get all of us through you can contact me at any time through my email that's going to be at Hello. Okay. Does everybody hear me better now? Am I actually involved yet? All right. I'm going to rewind back to the start of what I was saying just to address Jessica's point directly about kind of the open sim strategy that I think and I don't want to speak for other people out there because I do have a certain view I'm very much head down in the server code and it doesn't always give me the best perspective but I think as you've seen from the chat there are quite a few Firestone users out there and my feeling and I know you had a response to this was that maybe there was to a certain extent a cultural thing whereas Firestone very much comes out of second life and having communication second life within I should say in the world whereas open sim is more the classic open source project of people very much communicating in IRC channels and many less and I've been interested in the past enjoying seeing an IRC channel for Firestone but I haven't been able to find one maybe I didn't look hard enough or I didn't find one that was at all active so my theory was that maybe there's a cultural thing and I know you had some points to address that Jessica. Yeah so our contact has always been basically through our emails or through in world or even through Skype I think my Skype is pretty much well known to everybody we don't use an IRC we have an IRC channel but we generally don't use it and we're sort of faced with a bit of a unique problem in having too many users you know 350,000 people on Firestone roughly just in second life I have no idea how many in open sim and with having an IRC channel we're just flooded and end up not having any time to do anything else whereas at least people contact me through email I can kind of structure that and for those of you it's at jessica.lion at phoenixfewer.com or admin at phoenixfewer.com I don't remember any of our contacts can be found from our website I have a contacts page that lists every single person on the team and communication is absolutely a big problem I think with between Firestorm and OpenSim we have communications with Littlefield all the time I talk to Walter regularly and he keeps me posted on what's working and what isn't working and I have in the past made efforts to contact other other grids and grids to email me as well but it's never been very good and I don't know that having an IRC channel is going to change that nobody reaches out to us is really what it is right right well maybe we can come back for a discussion at the end but let me go on to the second question first of all so my second question here was really about hyper grid and the distributed metaverse so it is that do you think that the distributed metaverse is feasible and or desirable you may not think it's a good idea and if you do think it's it's a desirable thing what challenges do you think need to be overcome I guess primarily I'm asking on the viewers side but also you know maybe the system as a whole so I don't know if I should be going to the same all the time but Nicky I'm going to pick on you first again do you have any response or thoughts about that question yes I think that it's desirable to have a distributed metaverse but the practicality of having so many different viewpoints into the different worlds or the way they operate is a challenge it's getting to the point where it's almost have to tailor the viewer to the region I'm sorry to the word or the grid that you're going in I don't have anything else to add okay just to identify you do you have any thoughts on that Nicky I think it's absolutely necessary to move forward but there's also as Nicky said there's so many different channels on how to get into virtual worlds and having listened to the previous discussion prior to Philip was you know a web-based client I think that's a fantastic idea but there are a lot of challenges that need to get past that as well like being able to build in world and having just even fundamentally advanced things like building inventory and various things I think a web-based viewer is really the way to go but again are you going to end up with a whole bunch of different versions of a web-based client yeah I think standards such as they are you need to make a standard and also I think OpenSim admins have to collectively come together and agree on a path in one direction I've heard at the OpenSim developer panel you guys all seem to have different ideas of which way you want to go I think OpenSim is going to need to find a way to agree on where they're going to go collectively especially at this time when things in Second Life are up in the air we don't know what's going to happen with SL1 right good point and Lira what thoughts do you want to have about this topic I don't really have any thoughts that haven't been expressed already I mean I think that it's feasible and it's desirable but I feel like what we have right now is pretty good as is except for I feel that Hypergrid could be a little bit better like there was progress on it like two years ago it's just been stagnant for a while okay so moving on to the third question here so I guess maybe your most desired feature would be some kind of agreement as to what it's going to be yeah absolutely but I mean if I if I just present this question to Nikki first do you have any particular feature that could be pretty much anything maybe something to make your life as a viewer I think maybe you've already addressed that or maybe some other kind of feature you think could be very interesting important in virtual worlds I don't have a specific feature I think my point is and I agree just some sort of standards committee or standardization where a core open sound is going to present this particular thing and we're going to stick with it you guys can get a roadmap okay um Salira do you do you agree with Jessica and Nikki or do you have any other thoughts yeah it kind of goes back to what we were talking about last year they need to be like an organization of viewer developers and open sim developers working together and then a really separation yeah I so correct me if I'm wrong because I'm really not so involved in this stuff but I think there was a kind of talk about trying to get common things like a viewer mailing list in the past for over years but I didn't really seem to work out didn't seem to work now right I mean I don't know what the answer is it's obviously it's challenging it's also you know we're at a time right now when open source developers really need to pull together now more than ever I think and come to an agreement but it's also a very difficult time to motivate open source developers just with the way things are changing you know four or five years ago virtual worlds was really exciting and not to say it's not still exciting but it's you know the honeymoon is sort of worn off on people and and there's other emerging emerging technologies that are pulling people's interest away from virtual worlds I think so motivating developers is becoming a tougher more challenging problem right and I guess again it comes baby but it's this communication divide a lot of communication does go on in the IRC and I think maybe even more soon kind of raping some channels nowadays because you know that's kind of maybe not neutral ground it's the wrong world but it's a place where it's easier to get viewer developers to go right it's my feeling but of course you know that's not going to work for firestorm so you're right I do agree is it's very wobbly in terms of motivation and what people want to do and how I don't know how do we pull together it's that's a difficult question certainly but I appreciate what you're saying about the need for for things to be pretty not to vary too much not to be wildly different but to actually you know standard maybe a strong well I don't know but to actually have some kind of uniformity so I'm going to move on to my last question here really just touches on what you said again a bit earlier because I think it's always a question on people's quite often on people's minds is that do you think that a web-based viewer is important and and or feasible of course is it actually possible this time in terms of either performance or the amount of work one would have to do so I'm just going to continue as I was I'm afraid just for this last question say Nicky what would you say to that is is a web viewer feasible or possible I'm not qualified to even answer that question because I had it done on a web base that would work myself you can tell us what you would have to give a good answer okay and Jessica I think you pretty much would be I can tell you what I think I think that it may be the solution I mean let's face it I actually said this to a friend of mine earlier today you know the viewer is kind of like a rotary phone now in its comparison to a smartphone viewer is getting old and plunky and I think we can all agree it's a big mess of spaghetti code and a web-based client might be the answer but we always get requests from people can't you make a basic version of Firestorm with just this feature, this feature and that feature and yeah we could do that but the next person is going to want another set of features and the person after that is going to want another set of features and so what is useful to me as a viewer is going to be different from what's useful to you or anybody else so if somebody does do a web-based viewer which won't be us because like Nikki said we don't have that expertise in that area my devs are C++ devs and a web-based viewer would not be C++ so there's a lot of challenges that need to be faced and I can't help but think we're reaching into a crunch time somebody needs to be doing something but I don't know, motivation all that stuff and finally Liru would you think about web-based reviewers? do I think they're important? not so much actually I think that a lot can be accomplished whether or not you use a web interface or just regular application we have already phone applications there's Lumia and there's viewers for computers so we don't really need them, are they feasible? yeah they're feasible but I don't think they're needed because what we can do even though the viewer code is getting old we can totally rewrite it if we need to make it customizable if we need to we can do basically anything with the current code that we could do with a web viewer perhaps some more because there's just a lot more that you can do with the computer itself working in C++ then you can do in the confines of the browser so I feel like it's not so much important but it would be kind of nice but it's not it's not an absolute solution okay so before we really go into the audience Q&A I just want to ask you is there anything that you're particularly like to say to this audience or to the people here about what about any really topic I guess connected to the viewer is there any point you'd like to make or any closing remarks before we go into Q&A Nikki Jessica I have a lot of respect for OpenSim and in fact I sometimes go up against some of my own developers you know I think that it's in my opinion that if if Second Life were to fail OpenSim would be the fallback and it worries me some that like we've got you know these viewer difficulties and compatibility problems that's not so much my concern my concern is that is there an OpenSim grid capable and ready to take on an exodus of users should Second Life go south and I worry that maybe there isn't and so my concern is I hope that OpenSim administrators can you know put together a roadmap prepared because when the time comes if the time comes everybody's going to have to be kind of on the same book and on the same page in the same book to support you know a lot of people leaving Second Life I'm not convinced the new platform that LinenLab is working on is going to be what we consider to be Second Life and it may not be suitable for you know a good even half of the population of Second Life so you know if that Second Life as we know it bellies up becomes not profitable or for whatever reason OpenSim is the next closest thing and I think that's where people are going to come so basically my message I'm saying is guys and by guys I mean all of you OpenSim administrators and developers you know we as users may really need you guys to come together in a very quick way and I hope you guys are prepared to do that or at least thinking about how you're going to get the infrastructure in place to be able to take on you know a very big load of people very quickly I do have one thing to add and that's the disaster that they deal with that was just red in it was a very popular idea it was very regular for testing because it's a front edge of what OpenSim was doing but I have a recovery plan just seems inexcusable yeah let me just finally ask Leroy do you have anything any kind of closing remarks you would like to give I don't have any closing remarks no okay well thank you already very much for kind of your questions now I would like to take questions from the audience now I saw one earlier and I've got to scroll back a little bit through I know we had some technical difficulties earlier unfortunately it looks like Sinin has not been able to make it back I'm sure she's having some probably I mentioned some network issues so really I'm taking this question from Matt but I think you've already answered it in that where did the panellists see the future of SL1.0 going will you continue to support and develop it at all or do you see a short term holding pattern support followed by the plug being pulled I can only speculate I'd be willing to speculate sure I think and I don't think any of us really know but I think that Second Life 2.0 as we'll call it there is no real name for it just yet is probably going to be more social media in a virtual world than what SL is and since they're planning on supporting other platforms it might be less graphical I don't know what it's hard to say but as far as SL1 as we know it I would from a business point of view I would suspect that as Eby Linden has said they want to make the new platform so good that people will want to leave Second Life and go to the new platform and they will obviously once that's been released they'll be marketing the new platform there'll be advertisements for it and all these things and there'll be less information about Second Life 1.0 as we call it and through attrition I do believe LindenLab will keep SL1 going as long as it's profitable but I think through attrition and not being marketed by LindenLab gradually things may go down and it'll get to the point where it's no longer profitable in which case from a business point of view it would only make sense for LindenLab to shut it down and try to transition people to the new platform and I hope that if that happens it would be a slow process but so I just think OpenSim should feel some pressure OpenSim administrators should have some pressure on their shoulders to be prepared for if that time comes OK I'm just going to swap to a question to ask where in that I'm sorry I'm so sorry did you have any kind of points you would like to have made about that question I kind of forgot the question sorry just to repeat is that it's about 1.0 question was is where do you see the 3.0 1.6 are we going do you think that I would want you to support and develop it at all or do you see the assurance term following by plug being pulled and if it is will the OpenSim or OpenSim or are they more likely to pull their own plugs well as I've seen so far it was a whole bunch had supposedly moved on to the new platform but we keep seeing them come back and work on second life so I don't think the new platform is going to be pulling away too many people and it's just going to be more of the same maybe some people try out the new platform but since there's not going to be the same content I don't think people are going to move to be as willing to move okay and Nicky do you have any opinion on this topic yes I have an opinion second life is the second life year the pace of corrections and output has been very high in my opinion is it going to get all the list of topics and as soon as the good things are going in to the present second life it's going to be a test around what that does okay interesting so just to come on to we're kind of coming up to time here but just a quick question from water is and really I think this is particularly for you so we'll go through this fairly quickly Jessica is that and I think we've already talked about this is what can we do to assist Firestorm in continuing compatibility with open simulators is it going to take say donations maybe monetary to Firestorm or is it really maybe you've said conversations with good owners and maybe the dev team you know would it be helpful and I don't know how these things can be difficult to organize and really this is the point at which we have these conversations but would it be helpful to kind of have some way of having a conversation about this yeah I think you know this AISV3 thing and losing legacy baking is going to be one challenge but it's in a big challenge but it's I think it's sort of sits on its own and I'll we'll manage we'll get I'll get around it I'll find a developer who will you know merge in legacy baking back in it's possible that I might have to go with the bounty and offer bounty that code back in again it's you know I just have a problem with motivating my own developers right now because they sort of feel outed and slighted in some ways and I can understand that and communication obviously is really important and you know I noticed that Nevenon said that he won't do business through email the email is just a starter you know once we I get your email and we'll have a short reply I'll get you hooked up in Skype with me and we can sit and chat and talk all we need and I'm more than happy to come into the grids as well as I often do I think communication it's it really we need to see communications I need my developers to see that they're appreciated Singularity devs know that they've got a lot of support here in Opensim whereas my devs you know we rarely ever hear from Opensim folks and so yeah that's a really good point I mean it really does sound like yeah as you say knowing that there really are people in Opensim who we support it and you know really like to see Firestorm continuous so maybe we can work towards that as you say if email is the first Skype tends to be more of a common ground I have to say a lot of communication Skype isn't ideal for me because I much prefer seeing stuff in IRC where it's completely public and people can see whatever is happening oh yeah I'm good with that the problem with IRC that I found is that you don't have a history that you can go back and see it so if I'm away you know what I'm going to miss things right so yeah just to, so yeah we're coming up to time I'm going to take a final question and I'm going to go to the deputy here because again this relates to the poll and how can we better support the viewers or get a better kind of better get a better development there so his question is how does a good programmer get started in viewer work what are the best starting points he says he doesn't see many overall dev docs and has he simply missed them so maybe again if I can start with Nikki on that question how does a good programmer get started in viewer development work I'm thinking like Wiki for building on BS 21 is very detailed and good and that can get you started if that's not your preferred language then the Linux Wiki is not quite as good but the curve to get into building in Linux is in my opinion easier if you want to start building it I'm not going to unpack the off-limit because I sure need some help just to repeat what Nikki said if anybody wants to start working or building I think you're saying Nikki right is to contact you and just go from there and I guess not anyone is competing with developers or anything but I mean Jessica do you have a comment on that on how does viewer development get started how can they help we have a Wiki page just pulling it up here and my devs have gone through great painstaking effort to make a very comprehensive guide on how to compile Firestorm and in fact actually it's more about setting up your build environment which you know that's the hardest thing like getting your computer set up to do a compile compiling the viewer is incredibly complicated once you're set up with that and you've successfully compiled and by the way that guide works the same for the linear viewer I believe as well as I think pretty much any viewer for that matter and basically if you want to be a dev for the Firestorm team what we ask is take a look on Jira we've got a lot of bugs we've got a lot of feature requests we've got a lot of a lot of things pick something that interests you compile Firestorm resolve that Jira is submitted to us as a contribution and basically this is how we recruit anybody on the team and it goes the same with our support team and you know once we see that because if I had a dime for every person that's come and said that they are a developer and they can do things but in the end they don't even know how to compile anything so we sort of need to see examples of your work and so when I say contribute code I mean give us a few examples of your work compiled against Firestorm that we can take and introduce into our repository and it becomes a point where it doesn't make sense for us to not recruit you as a developer on the team and we are always looking for developers always okay and Liru how can somebody best get started in the development or maybe in general or Singularity in particular well for Singularity in particular I generally recommend that you join the IRC channel on FreeNode it's Singularity viewer one word no underscores and basically if you arrive there you ask for help or I'll probably say hi anyway because I say hi to people who I haven't seen before or I just don't remember seeing them and I'll find out what you want what you need to do and I've been around the viewer source a while and a lot of other people in the channel are there to help too even if I haven't been around and there's we also since just linked her pages I'll link mine we've got those three pages which have been written based on building the viewer I wrote the first two written by Latif who couldn't be here today so basically just asking for help and sitting in the channel and just looking at it and if you need any help if you want to do something we can work with you we can figure it out and we can get things done but you can basically do anything that's it we've run out of time here so thanks very much to all our panelists there's still a lot to think about there in terms of viewer development hopefully we can get some improvements on that front I know it's difficult but there's quite a few of us now so hopefully we can all work together and get something going there so again thank you very much please give our panelists a round of applause


What is up guys and welcome back to the Johnny Q channel. I'm Johnny Q. So I hope you liked the last video I made. It was kind of just in the spur of the moment and I just had to make that video. So it inspired me to make this video, which is me reacting to my spin art that I did over a year ago. So before I moved to Missouri, I was doing spin art in my backyard and I would vlog that entire journey and I'm gonna do a reaction video to that video and what it was like back then and kind of give you some behind the scenes stuff that people don't really know. So hopefully you guys enjoy this. Let's go to it.  So for the past, I would say three or four days, I've been painting. Okay, can I just say that I miss doing spin art in the backyard, in the summer sun, in the heat. It was a whole different experience. I do it now in my garage in a tent, but this is just a whole different level of excitement. TikTok live, and in those TikTok lives, people can actually bid on this kind of art. And so no joke, some of my pieces have gone for 500 bucks, $600, and some have gone up for $1,000. Okay, that was a crazy time because there would be so many people that would like want paintings right away. I'd put it on the website and we'd auction them off. I mean, it was like one piece would sell and I'd have to make another piece, another one would sell. It was just, it was crazy town. So at this point, like you can see that I was just painted. I mean, that was going, I was going pretty hard. I was just doing it rapidly. Can bid on them for whatever they want. So for this piece right here, it's up for 100 bucks. But there's three active carts. There is two people checking out, which means two people have put a painting or some other paintings in the cart and they're about to pay. Just to give you guys a heads up, Johnny Gold did just sell for 100 bucks plus $8 shipping, so. That's crazy, dude. You're going to set up a lot. Oh, the fact that I started this global trend on YouTube and TikTok and Instagram, honestly, like the amount of hard work that went into that and people might not think it's hard work and that's fine. It's just putting paint on a canvas, but the amount of work that I actually did, I mean, that was a one man band that I was doing all of this. You know, obviously some help from my wife, but gosh, that, man, I miss it. This was actually. This was actually the rose gold thing. This was paint that I don't use now, actually, but that was a lot harder to maneuver and to manipulate to do what I wanted to do because it was a lot thicker. Wow. I'm not even spinning it yet. There it is. Okay, and final point, please. That's a dope colorway. Yeah, look at that purple and gold and black. That looks so good, but look at that. I like these textures. That's cool. Super cool, love it. This next one, someone said that they want to see Miami Vice Colors, which is teal black magenta. So here it is. I can literally taste this video from the paint, the wind, I mean, the grass. Let's go. Okay, that's a sick piece. I like that. This is Miami Vice. Look at that. It just looks so, just so cool. That's pretty cool. I like it. I dig that piece. I remember that piece, but like the smell of summer, I just, I miss doing that. It's so fun. It was so fun. It still is fun. Okay, that's a cool fire piece though. So here's the piece. Let me show you. Let me quickly show you. If I don't add black, it honestly would look really plain. So that's why I added black to it. Focus, get that thing out of there. Focus, there you go.  That piece sold for quite a bit. I remember pouring epoxy in that selling for I think quite a few, a hundred bucks. So, all that black table, I remember that. Dude, yeah. After that splatter, it just made the painting. I think I sold it for maybe like three or 400 bucks after the epoxy. Oh my gosh, can you see that? There's like cardboard on the bottom. That grass was just, that was cooked. It was done. But dude, this was only last year. This was July 9th of 2020. It's now October of 2021. This was just last year. It's pretty nuts. That's pretty crazy to think about. Well, guys, let me know if you would like this video. Let me know if you want me to react to other videos that I've made or other videos out there in the YouTube world. I'm really down for anything. I'll be making some more YouTube videos for you guys and really more so for me because I want to make more YouTube videos other than just uploading my YouTube shorts that are basically my TikTok videos. Hope you guys enjoyed this video. Thanks so much for watching and I'll catch you in the next one. Peace.