Hello patrons, friends of the show and random people who stumbled across this accidentally in a referral link. I'm Tom Merritt. This is the DTNS quarterly hangout where our main purpose is just discuss how the show's going. Of course, with me are my co-hosts and producer Sarah Lane. Hello. And Roger Chang. Also, hello. Well, this went well. It's smooth. Super smooth. This is why we have a rundown for other things. No, hey, this is raw. That's what I like to call it. This is us unfiltered because you never get that in the show. We have people who support us on Patreon at the $20 a month level. Y'all are incredibly generous. You power the show. And if you are at that level, you get to be in our slack. And in our slack, we have a questions channel. And in that questions channel, you can talk to us. You can ask us questions. And we will answer them in the course of the show. Now, if you're at the advisor level, which is $30 a month, you actually have an opportunity to join us on the hangout. Only one person usually does, Paul. He was going to today, and he might still, but there was a work thing, and he's not sure he's going to be able to make it. So we may or may not have any other listeners on the show this time. But if you're at that advisor level, and maybe you're like, no, not for me. It's fine. But keep an eye out on Patreon for, or in the Slack or in the Discord, even for that invitation. Our first question today, Sarah, are you ready? I'm ready. It comes from Big Jim, who asks, at what Patreon level do we need to have, I'm sorry, what Patreon level do we need to achieve in which you will buy me a pony? But I will buy him a pony. Yeah. Or, well, like, I don't know, 50 bucks a month? I don't know. That's pretty inexpensive. That seems low to me. I always say the cost of pony. That's just a pony. I've never had one before. Ponies are a lot. But also, you have to understand, we're getting only Big Jim a pony. So I'm not sure how that would work as a Patreon. I feel like, yeah, I feel like it has to be a milestone of like, we hit a certain amount of month, and then we can afford to support Big Jim's pony. I would say maybe 500,000. What? If we need to have a pony milestone where everyone gets a pony. That was like 500,000. No, no, no, no. He just wants to live for himself. No, no, something more like 500,000. But I mean, would that fly as a Patreon level where only Big Jim gets a pony? Well, I mean, that's the real question here with this upset the other patrons. Yeah. I don't know. I think you've hit on it, Roger. I don't know that providing ponies to Big Jim or other patrons is in our core mission. It seems like mission creep to me. Unless he's talking about the audio player. Oh, that's easier. Okay. Thank you, Big Jim, for your very sincere question. I want you to have a pony. I mean, we really do. Yeah. That would be nice. Anne C.B. writes, any tech trends or gadgets exciting you? Phones, IoT, home automation, drones, 3D printers. None of that feels exciting anymore. No. I'm just kidding. The smart speakers, I love the smart speakers. I would have to say digital imaging in phones. I'm excited as they get better higher quality sensors and lenses into a smartphone. It just makes it easier, but it also makes it a lot more natural to take photos because the old photographers rule of thumb, the best camera is the one you always have with you. Is that the old saw? Well, yeah. The idea behind it is, unless you're a photo journalist, where you're carrying around three different cameras with you at all times, people will take pictures with what they have available, which is 99 out of 100 times a smartphone. That saying has been beaten to death so much that I now find it not annoying, but it's just like, okay, yes, I know. I only have one camera, but I'm also not into photography, so that's probably the reason. Yeah. You're probably not the target audience. No. Because what did you think of the Huawei, the P20 camera? That one looked pretty cool. I think my bigger question is, yeah, you can do all those bits to improve the quality, but really, you want a larger sensor and there's only so much you can pack in into that particular smartphone shape. I am looking forward to when they can cram a bigger sensor, but have a collapsible telescopic lens, which I'm sure will cost a lot of cash extra, but it would be kind of neat to have. I'm really into social networks. I think they're the future. Sharing, I think everybody should be more, just kidding. The things that I have answered this question with in the past are starting to feel old already. Blockchain stuff is already facing the buzzword backlash. I think there is still much to be developed with that kind of technology that we don't understand or even know. I think people are going to do really interesting things with that that we haven't seen yet. It sucks that people are using it to say they're doing things that aren't that interesting that they really aren't. It's sometimes bankrupted as a buzzword. I think machine learning is kind of in the same position. There are some amazing developments coming with machine learning, but there's also a bunch of people who promise you things with machine learning that they can't deliver, and that's causing people to get frustrated. People are calling things AI that aren't AI. It's just sad that those messages get muddy because I think machine learning can't solve all our ills. Pull back from that, but can it do some really interesting things? Smart speakers are an example of something that would have been impossible before machine learning. No, it's not perfect, but it's made a huge advance. We used to not really be able to speak to anything without training it. We used to not be able to speak to anything, then we couldn't speak without training it. Now the fact that it can recognize most people's voices at all is amazing. Of course, we've already leapfrogged to complaining about, well, it doesn't recognize all the voices, and it doesn't recognize everything I say. That's how innovation is pushed, Tom, through gentle and consistent nagging. That is our job as tech fans. What I really look forward to is all these technologies being implemented in ways that really do alleviate some of the legacy bureaucratic stuff for medical. If we can have something where, even just having a network database, so the information you get from one doctor gets sent to the other without having to go through intermediary. That already exists, but you don't have access to it. Not every doctor has access to the same database. Just simplifying that so that I have my health records, and I can authorize my doctor to look at them, and then everybody sees the same thing, and we're all on the same page. Really, it's like the technology implementation, being able to leverage that promise over a wider range of things. I would love to see if they could do... Telemedicine was going to be the future, like that was the thing 10 years ago. I would really like to see that, be able to have maybe not a doctor there, but you have a nurse or something, and then you have a doctor telemedicine saying, hey, nurse, can you do this? What does it say? Give me the reason. In that way, you know... A lot of that has been tied up in the carriers and the ISPs saying, we can't do this until you get rid of net neutrality, and honestly, what you really need is speed. I think 5G is going to help make a lot of that stuff more possible already. 5G is another technology, and I know it's been beaten to death probably, but that is another technology that makes me excited, because... I mean, what's 5G, Tom? Yeah. Wow, true. Okay. It's another one of those like, we're going to bankrupt the term before we start using it, but for now, it means, the gigabit wireless, roughly. Let's just simplify it to say that. What's that? Is it Wi-Fi? No, it's not Wi-Fi. Yeah, gigabit wireless internet and is achievable easily under 5G. There's all these caveats of like, well, with LTE, you can achieve this and that, but think about what you can do on your mobile phone and your tablet now that you couldn't do on 3G, or that was painful on 3G. I mean, people have streamed to this show from their phone because they have an LTE connection. It was something that maybe they could do in the right conditions under 3G. That kind of stuff is going to be no-brainer. It's going to unlock a lot of features that right now are difficult and make them easy. I remember trying out Ricochet. Remember that? Yeah. Oh, my God. That was only what? That was only like 156 kilobits per second, and it felt so fast. It's like, look, I can send video. Granted, it's like a frame a second, but... Yeah. Ricochet was a USB dongle that attached to a dedicated network that provided DSL speeds in like, I don't know, 2000, I think? Yeah. It was a very limited set of metro areas, very limited. Yeah, they had it in San Francisco. I remember, Jim Lauterbach gave Eileen one to take home because she was doing a package on it for TechLive, and so we got to play with it. It was pretty cool. TechLive. I know, right? Ricochet, Lauterbach, TechLive. I can almost smell the filter-fresh coffee from here. All right. Teaglass1976 says, what's the Monday plan? Are you keeping it open for rotating co-hosts? Are you going to get a regular Monday contributor? Of course, Teaglass, one of the people who read our notice or heard me talk about the fact that Veronica just can't accommodate the 1.30 pm Pacific appearance with her day job. It's just too difficult, and we get that. She's going to do a regular labs episode on bots. She's put out the first one already. She'd like to do it more often, but she's going to at least do it once a month. Hopefully, we'll be able to get her back from time to time on the regular show. In the meantime, Roger, where are we with Mondays? Mondays will have rotating regular hosts. We'll have Lamar Wilson and Justin Robert Young swapping out Mondays. Although, this coming Monday, it will be Rob Reed. We'll probably, it'll be pretty fast and loose. Let's put it that way. Yeah, but expect to see, as a rule of thumb, it'll be either Lamar or Justin. More often than not. We're really sorry that Veronica, I almost want to change the time of the show, because it's not that she doesn't want to do it, but we're not going to change the time of the show. Yeah, I mean, this is the thing that happens when you do a show for four years. This show is not new. It's hard for me to wrap my head around that, but we've been doing the show for a while, and people's lives change, schedules change, conditions change. Well, in the show, as the years go on, it cements itself into that kind of routine that everyone builds around. So it becomes even more difficult to kind of alter things on that, like changing schedules like that, because so many people have an expectation now that the show comes out when it does, and it streams live when it does, and the guests that we do have and the contributors that we do have already have that time blocked out in their day to accommodate the show. Yeah, I mean, look at Patrick Beja. You're seeing less of Patrick these days, not because he's unwilling to do the show, because he has a baby, and eventually... He's unwilling to do the show. Yeah, a baby is unwilling to do a lot of things, apparently. That's very unwilling, yeah, I know, but he's so apologetic about it. It's like, we get it. Life happens, right? Yeah, so that frees us up to bring some cool guests onto the show that we wouldn't maybe have enough room in the schedule for, and Patrick's baby will eventually, as if Roger knows all too well, will be able to get up and walk around on its own. I don't know if that will make it easier for him or not, but... Yeah, but you start to fall into routines eventually after that. I don't know how long it takes, but those first few months particularly are the... Yeah, kids don't work on dog ears.  Yeah, yeah, yeah. Scott is still on at least three times a month, but he takes Wednesday off to do the labs episodes, so if he missed it, he has one on Affinity and photo editors that's in the feed, both the Patreon feed and the regular feed now. So we love that, and we love to hear more feedback from you guys on it. We got a couple of emails about it, but don't be shy in going into the Patreon and leaving comments directly on those episodes. Labs is an interesting thing because we're putting a bunch of them out there, and now it's going to be the time to evaluate, not yet, I guess, but pretty soon, probably by the next one of these quarterlies that we do, it's going to be time to evaluate which ones are working, which ones should we keep doing, which one should we tweak. I did an episode with Scott yesterday just on a whim. This was not a pre-planned one. It just sort of happened because we talked about him having a Raspberry Pi on the show, asked for people to send in the Raspberry Pi emails, and we got more than we could even fit in a mailbag episode, and particularly Scott wanted to tell you what he's going to do with it. So, okay. If nobody has listened to the episode yet, what was the most, I don't know, biggest takeaway that you got? Well, I think the cool thing about that episode, which is up for patrons now, and if you're not a patron, it will be up on Saturday, is a bunch of ideas if you're into Raspberry Pi. You get to hear all of the other ideas from people who say, oh, I use it for this or I like this project. So, it's a great resource just in that sense. And then at the end, Scott talks about like, okay, here's what I'm going to do and the fact that us having this conversation has motivated him to finally make a plan and do something, and he's got a whole deal. He's going to document it and talk about it on his shows and everything. It sounds really fun. I don't want to spoil it because it's the big reveal at the end of the episode. Big reveal. That's what Labs is about. Labs is about just trying stuff. So, that episode was outsized because we got so many Raspberry Pi emails and I felt like, oh, that could be a resource on its own. But Brandon was asking about certifications. We've had a few emails helping him that we forwarded on to Brandon and I'm sure that's going to make a segment of the mailbag. Sarah is like, yes, it is indeed. I have started. So, let us know what you think of these and if you have ideas. We've actually had a few of those kinds of emails from people saying, hey, I've got an idea for an interview. I've got an idea for a segment. I'd like you to do an explainer about this. And some of those things take longer for us to get to than others, but we hear them all. So, keep them coming. Carl says, Tom, you are really good at doing interviews. Could there be a labs test where you do such? I do an interview a month, Carl. Something tells me I need to promote these better. Tom, do more interviews. Yeah, I do one a month. I did one with the CISO of Lyft and David Spark. It was a double interview. Carl's just typing more. Is the person the interview or more of the interviews? I think he wants, he's saying, could you do interviews? And then he's saying more. I think he wants more interviews than just one a month. Yeah, okay. That's an interesting question because having Sarah as part of the team has freed me up a little bit to be able to do more of this kind of stuff. But there are only so many hours in the day. So, at what point, because I know people really don't like it if we don't do all the top stories, like when we did the first roundtable, we didn't do top stories. There was a segment of people who really didn't like that. But we do have daily tech headlines picking up that side of things. So, at what point is it okay to shake up the regular show to accommodate more of these kinds of things? I don't know. Yeah, I'll be... Chris Charlton says, Tom, should interview Mirror Tom where he shaved? Oh, I see, like the Star Trek universe where the ultimate universe will be clean, shaven, but evil. Actually, Carl says both on the more. He would like more of the interview. I don't know if you really want more. Always leave you wanting more. Which is why we haven't had more on before. What is the goal for the interviews? Introduce a topic or a person? Depends. Most of the time, it's a topic. With the Lyft interview, we were talking specifically about things that security vendors do that bug CISOs. But with Andrew Allen, we just talked about how does tech work with music and crowdfunding and all of that. It's fun to have conversations like that. Do y'all have any ideas or things that have been kicking around that you want to share with folks? You're talking about us. Well, besides Carl's Jr., no, I'm just kidding. You're going to talk Carl's Jr. Labs. What's your favorite fast food joint? I don't know, Rush. What do you think? Well, seeing how well the roundtable goes today, I would like to do more themed roundtables for surrounding a subject. That's a great idea. I love that. Instead of just putting together just a bunch of people who want to talk, which is not bad, which is what we want, but let's see if we can centralize it around the theme. We can do the... Here are four people who are good at talking and do a great show. We know we can do that and we can always do that again. It's not that we're never going to do that again. But this space roundtable is another way to keep it interesting and focused. I had the idea, Eric Olander, who's been on the show before, and we probably should get him back. We have so many good people that we want to have back. We never have enough space. But Eric Olander was on the Phileus Club this week and he specializes in China and Africa. He's based in China right now. He's American, but he's based in China. He does the China Africa podcast. He does a China Africa Facebook group. I was like, wouldn't it be cool if we could get Eric to recommend a couple people and we do China Africa Tech as a roundtable? Whether we do that exact idea or whether we do something that spins out of that. I love that idea of coming up with kind of interesting and less covered topics that we can build roundtables around. Yeah. I mean, one of the ones I would like to cover in the future. Ideally, this year is e-waste. What are the current... What are we currently doing about e-waste in terms of disposal but also recycling? That's a good one. What are manufacturers doing to make it easier to recycle in the rest of it? Because we always hear bits and pieces. We hear about plastics in the Great Pacific Swirl, but we don't really get an idea of what exactly is that waste composed of, but more importantly, how much of it is e-waste. And as e-waste has traditionally just kind of been shipped off to developing countries where people can try to extract precious metals out of it, whether it's like tin, copper, gold out of the circuit tracings and stuff like that. How do we move forward from here? So when we get rid of our old smartphone from five years ago, it just doesn't end up in a landfill. There's a way to reuse the glass, the plastics and stuff like that. Even recover some of the trace minerals, the rare earths and stuff. Yeah. But something... In a way that recovery doesn't require heavy solvents, that you also now need to figure out how to remediate once it's out in the environment.  Well, I do a pretend I'm dumb about Star Wars series that if people aren't familiar out there, where I pretend like I've never seen anything but Star Wars and I've never talked about it to anybody. And it's fun to do. I'm wondering if we just get a bunch of people on who really aren't that familiar with tech and they just ask you us questions. And we try to explain it with a clock. Right. Like Bitcoin, what's that about? Well, okay. You know, in five minutes, right? Like, that's actually a challenge. It's... I mean, there's so many topics out there and really it's just trying to get a whole of the guests and getting their schedules to a line. That's one of the trickier things. Everyone has their own thing going on, their lives and stuff. And trying to get one person is not hard. Getting two people can be a juggle, trying to get three or more. It's... That's why some guest bookings take forever. Because we...  Yeah. Enth Mike says, any plans to redesign dailytechnewshow.com? No. It's not a priority. It takes more time than you think to redesign things. And unless something's broken, I don't feel like I need to spend a lot of time. I don't know. What do you guys think? I know it's not super pretty. I don't have anything against it. My biggest was what we were doing a couple of weeks ago where you moved the live button at the top a little bit to the left, where it's just easier to find. For me, it functions well for what it needs to do. Really, it's just finding what to click on on the page. And I think we solved a lot of that last month. I mean, also like... I mean, I would love everybody to be going to dailytechnewshow on a daily basis. But how often is that happening? Subscribe to the show. Does the design really matter? I mean, it matters if people can't use it. I feel like it's usable right now. And that's where Roger was just talking about. I know it doesn't look nice. And I realize that that is more important to some people than it is to me in a legitimate way. If you're a listener of DTNS and you're proud of it and you want to tell someone about it and then you point up to the website and they're like, that's the default WordPress template from three years ago. You'd be like, yeah, yeah. But still, it's really good. It's a really good show. Yeah, I don't know. We could probably spruce it up a little bit. But it takes work. Carl added another one, a DTNS time travel running. Time travel running a show at interesting times in history as there's fewer there. We kind of did that with the 80s bit. And I wouldn't mind doing that again in the future. Yeah, that was fun. Where we would kind of drop ourselves at some point. We're either in the 80s, 90s, 70s, or whatever. Hey, look at my Altair kit that I got. It's going to be awesome. It's going to take me half a year to wire this up to blank flights in the sequential order. That's going to be cool. It's funny because it's fun to do, but it's also very illuminating to see how far we've come in 30 years. Before the mid to late 70s, home computers were kind of a fictional thing. It wasn't a thing you were going to have in your home unless you were like far in the future where the refrigerator cooks your food and you have a robot servant to the point where my phone was more capable than the 486 I had back in college. It could do infinitely, I should say infinitely, it could do tremendously more stuff from video to mapping to all these things that just ward around. Or we didn't have the infrastructure for it. We didn't have cell phone data networks to that extent back in the late 80s. We didn't have GPS available to consumers at the rate that we do. We don't have the mapping software. There's an entire growth of infrastructure, as well as the actual technology that has to go in hand and hand with consumer adoption for all the stuff to take off. Back in the 80s, I remember there was a discussion going on through a lot of the hobbyist computer magazines, wondering why personal computers hadn't taken off the same way that stereos, TVs, VCRs, microwaves have, right? It's advanced technology, but not everyone has one. Why not? We were saying, well, it's complicated to use and a lot of stuff. What do you do with it? That PC, what are you going to do with it?  I don't really like computers, but I really need to get to the internet. Being able to do that, to do a show around that, awesome. Dr. suggests food labs and creative-ass art says food labs. Does that mean we eat? I don't know. It seems a little weird to do a show about I like sandwiches. Here's a sandwich I made. Here's my meatloaf recipe would be odd, but I guess we could do it. It's no secret. I love the tovala oven. In fact, I'll tell the story here. I've been meaning to tell. My tovala oven stopped working last Wednesday. It just stopped. I've had it for more than a year. I use it a lot and I was very bereft. I went on to their support and I was like, hey, my oven stopped next morning. It stopped at like nine at night, which is after their service was closed. Next morning, first thing, they're like, we're so sorry to hear that. We're going to credit you all the meals that just shipped to you. You don't have to pay for them. Freeze them. You can thaw them and use them.  Here's a shipping label and send us the old one because we want to see what went wrong with it. They were so good, so good with the support. I already love that product and they were super good with support. I don't know. I could almost see just doing a tovala. I'm sure I'd be the one that would enjoy that. Food tech is very interesting because a lot of the technology in food tech is actually in the processing and packaging of food. There is a lot of food tech in processing and packaging. Especially the way we have moved from, before canned foods were kind of the idealized, this is how you preserve food far. How do we do a labs about that though? We could definitely discuss the shift for, especially how do you package and secure food that you want to keep relative fresh? We had to bring on guests for that. Yeah, maybe. That might be a guest bit. I don't know if you could do a series out of that, but that would be a cool guess. There's definitely a lengthy history. Napoleon was credited. There's a lot of tech in preparation that I think we could do too. In personal preparation, that seems more sustainable. And also, we could just talk about the foods that you can eat when you're just running low on stuff so you can eat something where you're doing another binge. Like food hacks? Yeah. My favorite is mac and cheese and a can of chili with no beans. I ate mac and cheese last night. We do talk about food a lot on the pre-empo show. There's something there. It's one of the fun things we do, and we also know we won't get into any kind of political, cultural, or ethical issues talking about food. You say that, but there's always a way to get into those issues, no matter what you're talking about. Yeah. And people universally do. They eat. I don't know anybody who doesn't eat. At least not for long. Carl says, sometimes the audio has been a bit so-so with dropouts due to lag. I tried Zencaster recently, and it worked like a charm.  Yes. I've tried Zencaster and a bunch of others like it, and sometimes they have dropouts and lag. That's the internet. It's one of the things that I think when we get faster broadband, fiber everywhere, 5G everywhere, we will have fewer of those things. But it's always going to happen until we have more robust and pervasive broadband, unless we require people to be in studio to be on the show, which would severely limit our ability to do this show. My trade-off has always been, every once in a while, we're going to have internet choppiness. Every once in a while, we're going to have a guest whose audio isn't great. But as long as you can understand them, the important thing in the show is the ideas. And the other problem with doing things like Zencaster is that there's no video solution there. So as long as people want to watch us do the show, I'm not saying this is the only way to do it the way we do it, but it limits a lot of these other options. Chris Charlton says, the term used yesterday, intelligent edge, reminded me how the cycle of server client has played out over and over again. I love those golden nuggets in each episode. Brought to you by golden girl. But maybe. Teaglass once our food labs theme to be performed by Matthew McConaughey, I'm not sure Sarah would be into that. What if we had Matthew McConaughey like? What do you mean Matthew McConaughey like? I don't know. Like like a like a personator? Like, can you hire Matthew McConaughey? No. I mean, probably. But yeah, probably. We're not going to do. No. Carl says on the topic of food for the coming elections in Sweden, we're planning to 3D scan and then print the heads of our party leaders in chocolate with a filling that tastes in such a way that the given party perceives. I'll post you a food tech minute from that experiment. Please do. What does a conservative versus a liberal taste like? But that's the thing in such a way that the given party perceives. But wouldn't all the parties consider themselves to be sweet? Or well, no, I think some people might be like a validly and proudly bitter. It's quite possible. But they don't. Yeah, they don't want to taste good.  No, of course not. But there's there's a variety. You know, you could be savory versus sweet. Chris wants to know what element of the show each of us has wanted to add that isn't in yet. Is there is there such a thing that's like, it's a little presumption. There's a little presumption in your question that we all have one of those things. Maybe everything we want is in. But is there are there elements of the show that you guys have been thinking about that we could add? You know, I'm always wanting to add stuff, but I'm also cognizant of like the practical realities, right? Like, you know, we could do an animated opening. We could do lower thirds, but just but those are the things that are just like just our current setup wouldn't allow for it. And if we were to move to something else would require an extra body to handle. Yeah, that's another limiting factor is I want everything that we do on the show to be able to be done by any of us, which limits, which admittedly limits what we can do. We can't have a tricaster unless we buy everybody a tricaster, which is expensive. And also, I mean, obviously, the fact that we put out a video version of the show is great, but like the show is an audio show at the end of the day. So it's like, okay, well, you know, how much do we want to like, you know, do that TV thing? I mean, I'm like always of the mind of like the, you know, the more professional, the better. But who's going to watch it? D-Glass says, DTNS on the road, hop in an RV and go remote for a week or two. One of the things that our current setup gives us the flexibility to do is just that there is a milestone. There has been a milestone for that since the beginning of the Patreon. Which is we come to your, your home. It's a very expensive milestone, though, because it's a very expensive proposition to do right. But the RV would supply its own power. So you wouldn't have to worry about us, worry about us bow guarding your personal space too much. Oh, if we, if we got an RV, that's yeah. We're with someone worried about us taking their personal coffee. I figured, I figured we'd just get, when I said come to you, I meant to your town, not to your actual house. It's like, honey, why is there an RV in our driveway? We'll get a hotel room if we don't get an RV. It's fine. We'll be fine. Yeah, but I've been attracted to that idea for a long time of, you know, we just roll up in Kansas City or Omaha or something and be like, all right, y'all have a tech scene here. Nobody knows about it or people don't talk about it enough. Maybe let's find out what it is. I've got a controversial topic. Are you guys ready? I'm ready. All right. So here's one of the things, as I mentioned earlier in this conversation, we're four years old now. And one of the things that happens over time is we're learning about Patreon funding. Patreon funding is brand new. One of the things that seems to be true is you can increase the Patreon if you have a reason. For the most recent reason, we're bringing Sarah on the show, right? I don't know how much you can increase it. Like, I can't, I don't know if we had a second, Sarah, if that would work again. I did not that there could ever be another second. There is no second. Exactly. Not that that's even possible. But I do know that when we get to a milestone, we usually just kind of hang out around that milestone until we get another really compelling milestone. And for a really compelling milestone to be compelling, it usually costs money. And so, unlike most companies, we're sort of stuck in this, we can't really do anything except what we do unless it's free. We don't have a lot of extra income. What most companies do is, like, you don't know how much they're making, they're pushing things out, they're driving up their revenue, and then they take that extra revenue and they plow it into new stuff, or they borrow, right? Actually, more companies just go into debt. That's how startups work, right? I don't want to borrow. That's off the table. But I also don't want to be locked into having to commit to something every time I want to try it. Like, if we get the Patreon up another $5,000, we'll buy an RV or whatever. I don't want to be able to experiment. So to do that, my idea has always been, well, that's what PayPal donations and the store are for. And I definitely believe we could do more with the store, and we're talking about that and we're working on that all the time. And that can bring in some extra money to try things for flexibility. I am committed to the show being ad-free as far as our production and delivery to the patrons. What I'm toying with is there are services that you can put your feet into. They make it simpler to publish, and then they add ads in and you get a revenue share. This is something text message does. So the way those work is only people who don't get the show through Patreon would ever hear the ads. The ads get put in in the feed, so we never know what they are. We don't have any relationship. They're sold by the company. I suspect a lot of people consider that a violation of the premise of DTNS, but I'm wondering how many people would say that's horrible. There's going to be different opinions amongst the people who support us on Patreon and the people who don't, I'm sure, as well. But if you've listened to the text message, the way that works is they just tack it on at the beginning. It's a pre-roll, and then it goes into the show. And it's not host-read. I would never do host-read on the show, because that is when you really introduce, like, I'm talking about this thing, and it's influencing the news. By the way, I'm springing this on Sarah and Roger. I've never mentioned this before. I'm just brainstorming here. This is not a plan. This is a thing where I'm like, maybe this is a horrible idea. Should I even consider it? Yeah, I mean, I don't know, to be honest. I think, I mean, I don't know. Sounds great. That's the fact of me. If you watch on YouTube for long enough, it's going to stop and throw you an ad anyway mid-roll. Well, but like, I mean, the whole idea behind DTNS not having ads and being, you know, basically powered by you, that's very powerful.  But does that somehow taint the message of the show? And here's where I know it causes a problem. And this is one of the reasons it gives me pause is, yes, patrons can get a feed through Patreon, but it's the full pre and post show feed. And I know there are a lot of people who support us on Patreon just because they want the show and they get the regular feed and they would be annoyed if they're like, hey, I'm supporting the show and I just want the regular feed. And now you're putting an ad in it. Like, I know, I know some people wouldn't like that. Teaglass also brings up an interesting point. Like, if you don't have control of the ad, what the ads are, something could be seen as being endorsed by the show, even though. Yeah. I mean, that's, that's true of anything though. I mean, you have to pick a service that you know is not going to put like some horrible ad in there. That's, that's fair. What's a horrible ad? I, and I think the way the service that, well, like scams, fraud, you know, stuff like that, the kind of stuff that YouTube gets in trouble for, for having to show up. You know, everybody's banning ICO ads now. I think the service that Nate uses allows him to decide whether a certain guy, maybe it's category at a categorical level, but like he can say like, I never want to take an ad from this kind of situation. I'd have to find out more about it. Yeah. And then Carl says three feeds, starts to make it take away one of the advantages of doing it that way is to reduce complexity. That increases complexity. But yeah. Hmm. I don't know. Not something we're going to do anytime soon, but definitely something I've been, I've been kicking around. And, and actually, who was it said that Chris Charlton, I think, maybe said it? Oh, no, it's Carl. Carl says, perhaps test it on a labs episode or for the headline show. I think, I think testing it on head on the headline show might, might be acceptable, maybe, because that's not main DTNS. That's a different thing. That could cause problems with the Amazon feed, because I don't think you're allowed to put feeds into the Amazon feed. So that'd have to be a separate feed. But anyway, nothing's ever super simple, is it? No, Tom. Thank you. No, it isn't. Thank you for affirming that. Sorry. I haven't had my coffee today. Oh, well, my goodness. What are you doing here? I don't know. Go get some coffee. Well, no, no, I'm, I'm happy. I'm just sort of like, oh, mm-hmm. Yeah. Things, things, things to talk about without coffee. Oh, man. That's just not, that's just not done. People who like, get rid of coffee like, why, why, why do it? I don't understand. Did you see that there's a group in California that want a court case saying that California, California, you have to label coffee as potentially containing a carcinogen? Yeah, I did see that. I mean, okay. So does toast.  Well, alcohol, sure. But like, you know, if I'm like, oh, this recipe calls for like a good, a good red wine vinegar. And it's like, this has been known to cause cancer in the state of California where I'm like, still buying it. You're like, great recipe calls. I got that on my car. I said, yeah, I know things that this car is going to cause me. Every parking garage in California has that. It gets to the point where you start to not pay attention to those things because they're everywhere. You're like, well, I guess everything is a problem. So. Right. Cancer. Why don't go outside anymore? That's really the moral of the story, guys. Don't go outside. It's bad out there. Sunny, warm, who's raised or deadly. Sunny and warm here. I don't know. Is it, is it warmed up on the east coast yet? Probably not. A friend of mine in New York was like, snowing really badly. That was yesterday. Well, Roger, do we have any insight in the future? Like you said, we've got Rob Reed coming on the show on Monday. We're going to be talking robots with him, I think. The floor is on the show on Tuesday. I got a slot in a few people throughout the month working on the roundtable for the end of April. So far, I have Amber Mack and Jen Cutter. I'm trying to score a third body. Cool. So that'll be a general roundtable, but good people. See, when you get good people, it's always fun. That is the day I leave after the show to go to Las Vegas for the frog pants thing. Brian ended in Scott Johnson. That's going to be fun. I can't believe that's a month away. Amphibian outfitters. Can I be the guy? Can I be the old man that's like, I can't believe we're already a third of the way through the year. I can't believe it. I cannot believe it. I can't believe it. I can't believe I have to go to Vegas today. Today. After TGS, I have to go to Vegas today. It's a celebration. Fun time. It is. No, it is. No, it'll be lovely, but like... Just a lot. It's a lot, guys. By the way, Chris Charlton says, how about you just sell our data to third-party companies? All fixed. Rather not do that. If we're not to do that. But we will. Pretty sure we won't. Pretty sure we won't, Sarah. But if we... Pre-coffee, Sarah. Let's talk gravy. Oh, Anne C. Bayee says, why is the audio more consistent for shows like Cord Killers, Sword Laser, and East Meets West? Good question. That's a fair question. Because those are fewer variables and they're not daily. You're going to notice just statistically more problems with the ETS because there are more episodes.  We also have more people. Cord Killers is always me, Brian and Bryce, and then most of the time, one other person. Sword and Laser is always just me and Veronica. East Meets West is always just me and Roger. So you've got more variables in DTNS for things to go wrong. I don't think they go wrong so badly, personally. Well, for a while, my Wi-Fi was giving me grief after I moved my interview into... But now that I'm... We found the culprit. Exactly, which was Wi-Fi. But hopefully the problem has been solved. I always hated to have people be like, Sarah's great, but her internet is the worst. People jump to conclusions about what's wrong and aren't always correct. A lot of times we don't know what's wrong. And again, most of the time, it's just computer and internet stuff that happens. And when you do as many hours of programming a month as we do, you're going to run into that. NCB, the shows are all recorded the same, roughly speaking. I mean, Sword and Laser is done on Skype and is recorded, is not live. Add live to the equation, too. And that makes things more difficult because you're streaming out on the internet. On the internet? Yeah. I mean, we can fix problems, but we'll introduce others. That's always the issue. Hey, we could absolutely fix the audio problem right now today by never having guests and not being live. 100% going to fix it. Yeah, because Sword and Laser, we record the audio because it's not live. We record the audio locally and then put it out. That's the other thing is I prioritize speed. Daily Tech News show is a news show. I wanted to go out fast. So rather than have everybody on the show record their audio locally and then having an editor mix it all together, which would take an hour or two, I put it out while we're still talking in the post show. Any other thoughts other than we need to get Sarah coffee? Sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I am very tired. I don't want you to get coffee. Well, I know. I mean, now it's the end of the show. All right. Anything else, Roger? No, but thank you for supporting us. I mean, it really is a keystone of how DTNS operates and the foundation in which we want to push forward from where we can build more of the content that I think the listeners and would love to listen to and stuff we would love to cover. Yeah. And if you would like to continue to be a part of it, patreon.com slash DTNS, I think we are above still the number of patrons we had last month. So thank you for that. And we will leave you with our favorite song.


What's up guys welcome to today's video today what we're going to focus on is cutting layers in thick hair sectioning is pretty simple so we're going to break it down vertical section straight down center back and then everything is going to be over directed to that center back point. We're going to be cutting concave layers which is a short to long layer in the back so just watch my finger angle as I scoop the hair up I pull it up and I keep my fingers parallel to the floor which is going to create a really nice short to long feel in the layers what this is also going to do is remove maximum amount of weight from the interior of this haircut and then we have that triangle that's sitting on the top crown of the head that's going to cascade over and really give us our length in this haircut so it's perfect for long thick hair because it's going to keep your layers longer on the exterior but take out the weight on the interior. So notice I just continue working in that pie shaped sectioning all the way around until I finish off this section pulling everything to that center back cutting concave layers short to long. One other thing I want you guys to know on this side of the head is that I'm pulling the hair towards my body that's going to change as we work in to the right hand side of the head I'll be pushing the hair away from my body because you always want to be pulling that new hair to the guideline not pulling it but you want to bring it to the guidelines so notice that now I'm pushing and just pushing everything to that center back point still cutting short to long with every section that I take along the right hand side of the head. Alright so now we finished off the back part of the haircut we're going to move into the sides I'm going to be taking diagonal back partings and I'm going to be bringing those straight in front of the face and cutting with my fingers parallel to the parting so just make sure that you work each section I'm taking about half inch sections bringing them forward stationary guide cutting parallel to my fingers. Now I'm going to cut the left hand side in this fashion but I'm going to cut the right hand side as condensed cutting because I want to show you guys the difference in this day and age with COVID and everything that's happening in the salon industry we have to cut hair a little bit faster so when we can use condensed cutting I would recommend it and I'm going to show you guys how to do this in a condensed cutting way on this side right here so to find my guide I pull the hair out I cut a little piece with little tension match those sides up and then I use that as my guide I bring this entire section over because it's stationary and I cut it all in the same place that's called condensed cutting and that'll speed up your process as long as you're working on the same plane the same part of the head so now I'm gonna do the same thing on the top condensed cutting bring everything elevating it up taking a guide from my side section and just point cutting through to soften the line you could see that beautiful face frame all those layers that it creates just by pulling it up cutting one section now I'm gonna do the exact same thing on the opposite side pull that hair up cut it point cut it through get a nice soft maximum layered result in here now last section I'm gonna take that triangle section from the crown pull it to the front of the head I'm gonna take a guide from the previously cut section so just grab a little bit of that pull it up over top of the head and you're gonna see me point cut through using that as my guide as well what this is gonna do is toss a ton of length not necessarily weight but a ton of length over top of those short layers that we cut in the back which is going to allow somebody to have easier styling because they're styling longer hair you can see how beautiful those layers are how they pop through it the shape of the haircut I'm gonna go in with Moroccan oil this is a root boost I'm gonna spray this at the base I want to get tons of volume in this end result so I just go through section horizontal sections spray that at the root it's a nice lightweight product I love it because it doesn't feel heavy in the hair but it gives you a ton of volume and I kind of work it in with my fingers first and the blow dryer just lifting the hair up adding a little bit heat to it then I go in my ergo styling brush I round brush it through polishing it as much as possible giving it as much volume as I can so the higher I lift it the lighter it's gonna fall I'll even lift the hair up a little bit add a little bit of heat to that root activate the product a little bit and then I just continue working around the head shape elevating it through with the round brush this is a great look at that on those interior shorter layers that are happening you can kind of pop those up with the round brush if you want to but your client shouldn't have any issues with these that are really have to do anything with it just round brush normal those shorter pieces will activate and give you volume no matter what now we finish off a little bit of volume in that fringe area volume in the crown going everything over the forehead giving it as much height as possible run my fingers through it you could see those layers coming to life beautiful round brush blow dry now we're gonna use the Moroccan oil finishing spray just a medium hold spray and now you can see our end result hope you guys like it if you do hit the like button also subscribe to the channel thank you guys so much for watching see you soon


My name is Alton Glass, and I'm here with my co-presenter and partner in education and storytelling, Dr. Keepa Wilson. Hello, welcome everybody, it's such a pleasure to be here with each of you, I'm so excited to be presenting with Alton today. So the topic of our presentation is called Storytelling and Action, the GRX immersive laugh away. And I'm just living by myself, my background is film and television, my director, producer, and I fell in love with virtual reality about five years ago, and I just really love what virtual reality did for my imagination, and it really really showed me that coming from 2D film into VR, that the imagination is frameless, and it taught me how to tap into my childhood and my imagination in the end, and to think outside the box, and that the possibility is for endless, and from there I really realized just how powerful this could potentially be for education, and I was inspired by the rise of Internet learning labs to take this on, and take the immersive content we were doing, and to move it into the educational space. And then connecting with Dr. P. Matt Wilson. I've been a teacher at the elementary, middle, and high school level, now I'm a university professor in the Charter College of Education, really focused on teacher education, so I've had the wonderful opportunity to work with Alton in developing the Verizon app that really pushes forth this whole notion of steaming entrepreneurship and really taking virtual reality and storytelling to the next level. So a little bit about who we are, G.I.R.X Immersive Labs, we're a collective of both storytellers, revolutionary educators, and innovative technologies converging together to reimagine worlds in entertainment, education, and technology, and we are a creative technology studio and research and design lab with a dedicated focus on reimagining how we leverage emerging technologies, virtual reality storytelling, and most importantly, as Dr. P. Matt Wilson said, steaming entrepreneurship, and our mission is to bring new rounds with virtual reality storytellers, and to really, really leverage that into our deep narrative analysis which is understanding how powerful our own stories can be, how we can leverage our stories into these technologies to make them even more powerful and impactful. Our areas of play are immersive content creation primarily, as I said, my background is traditional film and television, so storytelling is part of everything we do. So we focus on virtual reality production mixed reality, augmented reality, a lot of creative production in general, IP development, which is really important, and game development and just all around intellectual property development. So just taking the ideas and bringing them to life. And of course, experiential learning and developing experiential learning platforms is a key area of focus right now as we merge education and storytelling together with technology. And I'm going to show you just a sample of how we bring together projects at the intersection of immersive storytelling and education as well. So we did a project recently with Time magazine, it's now called Time Studios, called The March, which is a recreation of the 1960s in March on Washington with Dr. King, where he gave his iconic I Have a Dream speech. And with that, we created immersive exhibit to really, really tap into how you can re-imagine historical narratives, which was the 1963 March on Washington from Johnson Freedom. And this was done in collaboration with Validate, the executive producer, and who also narrated this to really, really bring another element to inspire you with her voice and her passion for immersive storytelling and education. So I'm going to play a short video that shows you just what that project took as we brought to life. We're creating the next two to three March on Washington and leveraging some of the tools today to design a 3D rendition of Dr. King. The relationship between Time and Dr. King runs really deep. He was Time's man of the year and he's been on the cover many times and, you know, we're speaking to the relationship that historically has existed between the two. So the March is an immersive installation, like stepping into a Time magazine cover of the 1960 March on Washington and experience up close and personal Dr. King in virtual reality like we've never seen before. We thought, imagine being able to stand in front of Martin Luther King while he delivers this speech. Now is the time. We're being in close proximity to history. That's where we began our journey. Right now there is nothing like this in VR. The pinnacle of the challenges is the creation of Dr. King. To have it feel like you are truly looking into another human being's soul is very, very difficult. But I really wanted to try to push that boundary and make a big jump in the industry towards realism with virtual humans. To create a new blend of technology that allows us to do something that is as real as our digital humans for feature films in real time as well for things like VR. And I think it's going to touch a lot of people out there in the country. And that's the intention. And Mohl Hill, Mississippi from every mountain side. At this point, there's very sophisticated ways of creating a photorealistic 3D environment. The process of getting digital humans that match the level of quality of that environment into a VR experience is still very difficult. So when we first started talking about this project and diving in, we were looking at a number of things that what we would call first. The special task we had on hand for Dr. King was creating not only a realistic digital human in VR, but also historically accurate to a specific time. And that time is 1963 on the day of the March. The process of creating Dr. King requires a bunch of different teams, a lot of disciplines. And it starts with capturing our stand ins and our facial bridges to MLK, scanning them through a wide variety of different facial technologies. Three, two, one, scan. Chris's face shape and structure is similar to Dr. King, so it gives us a jumping off point to sculpt Dr. King without having to start from scratch. On top of that, we use a huge amount of reference photography as well as reference video so that the modeling team has something to match too. That's the first part. The second part is to cast a performer that can give the speech verbatim and use him as the drying force behind our digital Dr. King performance. Thank you. So for educators who are interested in virtual reality, it's been around for quite some time. But now as a result of some of the newer, faster technologies and chips and so forth, we're now in a space where we can actually use virtual reality in a way that makes it a little bit easier to get into the hands of everyone. You know, you have companies like Facebook and HTC Vive who are now making, and there are other companies who are now making these technologies usable to be able to bring them into the classroom to be a very powerful computing system for the generations now to learn from. And this is just a brief timeline as you see the progression of it. But what I think is most important is when you look at the evolution of storytelling and you look at how students learn, whether they're watching videos or they're picking up a camera. I think it's very important to see how things have evolved, and myself being a storyteller, you know, I came up when we were learning 35-minute film and that moved into digital. And now you have young people who are now using cell phones to tell their stories. And not only that, they're creating their own enterprises, their own businesses that are becoming social media influencers. And I think that it's very important to understand how to make sure that you can adapt to the changing times and educate the next generation on how to use these tools to adapt to the changing times and embracing the technologies transition. So like as a result of COVID, now we can see that, you know, a lot of new businesses are going to be born as a result of COVID. And a lot of companies and a lot of schools are saying ways that they can now be more proactive in being prepared for these shifting times where education is going to be a very, very big leap for us to continue to collaborate and communicate. So we want to make sure that, you know, we don't get left behind with technology. So one thing we like to talk about, especially when you think about youth and education, is meeting the youth where they are. And this is just sort of showing you the convergence of technology and entertainment where a lot of young people are already inside of these platforms, such as, you know, the boom of YouTube, Netflix, of course, Facebook, Instagram, all of these different technologies and platforms such as, you know, the iPhone, Google, are where young people are accessing their content. And to be able to leverage tools now like virtual reality that are being deployed within all of these systems is a great way to reach them, to give them some interactive ways to learn through the use of technology and immersive technologies. And we already love about these new technologies and how they're being made is you have a lot of young people who love to play games, right?  Where now all of these young people, these industries are coming together. So now you have STEM, which is now, of course, STEAM, where you able to bridge all of these different disciplines that are coming together, and virtual reality, or the immersive economy as a whole, is a great place to introduce these different disciplines and these career fields, which is great. And then you can see all of these different platforms, especially with game development, which is a very big one because you know the kids are playing in the fortnights and the Pokemon goes. And so this gives us an opportunity to create more immersive technology programs and to get their hands on some of the entry-level technologies to start being able to get an entry point into immersive storytelling and leveraging the virtual reality tools. So here I'll show you a program that we have that takes young students in high school and bridges them into West LA College, where we have an immersive media program. And then we also have a program with Verizon Innovative Learning where we're teaching students, we're teaching the students early on about these immersive technologies by doing that virtual reality career day experience where they can meet STEM professionals in virtual reality and hang out with them. Join me as we get ready to take these students on a ride they've never had before. This program is about being able to take career day and encapsulate it into a virtual reality experience. These young men are able to get up close and personal with role models and entrepreneurs working in areas of STEM and see that they can do this themselves. Students were able to see how technology is used in careers and entrepreneurship. The kids really got to see that you can actually create a business out of virtual reality and you can have creative opportunities to make VR from scratch. We hope that through that they'll have a plan to be able to succeed and enter the pipeline into STEM and access to resources and money and careers. I'm pretty excited to see what ideas they bring to the industry. Our partnership with Verizon Innovative Learning is one of our core missions as we continue to build and level the playing field because technology is a great equalizer. Thank you. So I just want to talk a little bit briefly about immersive tech readiness. All right. And that's the process of preventing individuals and organizations to adopt and employ immersive technologies such as VR, AR, MR or what they call XR, cross-reality or extended reality as a means for increased engagement or collaboration. And as you can see again, COVID-19 has definitely rapidly accelerated the use of a lot of these technologies. As you can see here, we get an opportunity to come into the engaged platform to be able to communicate and stick to our presentations. And with students, one of the things I really enjoy the work with Verizon on is we're able to build an application that had cross-platform capabilities so that whether you were in VR, whether you were on a desktop or you've been down to the lowest kind of denominator of a Chromebook, students still have the ability to engage with each other through an immersive experience. Can you imagine? So when we think about really educating our youth of tomorrow, right? We have to think about technology needs your voice. The biggest thing that I've always hear as an educator is that students often fail in educational landscape. They have no voice. So one of the things that GRX Immersive Labs were very intentional on really empowering students to design their future, right? It's the foundation because we know that the future is now. We know that it is very important to understand how we create a level playing field for future generations, particularly in the tech field. Look, we all know the statistics are very dismal as it relates to underserved communities actually participating in STEM. And so one of the hallmarks of GRX Immersive Labs is to really think about how can we increase underserved and minoritized communities to really be a part of this virtual reality space and really empower them in their own educational goals. So we do that by really looking into what's your DNA? And when we talk about the concept of DNA, we're really thinking about it from the standpoint of deep narrative analysis, right? We understand that everyone has their own unique story that they are bringing to a classroom, to the world. And so it's very important at GRX Immersive Labs that we begin to create programs that actually bring out students' DNA. And so let's stay deeper into what is this deep narrative analysis all about? Well, one of the things that GRX Immersive Labs were really intentional about revolutionizing education and what does that mean? That really means we want to create experiences that showcase technology as an equalizer, right? We know that if we are able to empower students to become their best selves, really begin to develop a steam identity very early on in the educational process, they have an opportunity to change their communities, change their families and eventually change the world. Because we believe that imagination is frameless. We want to really encourage everything that we design out and I and the rest of the GRX team, we are very conscious that anything we design wanted to be an opportunity where students have an opportunity to think outside of the box. They get an opportunity to really explore steam entrepreneurship, the critical thinking skills, doing collaborative activities with each other, particularly in the Verizon Music Education module that we're currently designing and working on. One of the things that we thought we really wanted to empower students to go in and really begin their own learning and really take ownership of their learning. We want to position the teacher to become more of a facilitator of knowledge and because kids are coming into classroom spaces with a wealth of information. And so we feel that every product that we design, we want to make sure that that ingenuity and that genius is to the forefront of every virtual reality experience and to do that, we know that we have to have self-guided experiences, right? You don't need to ask permission to be great. We want you to create. We want you to explore and we want you to expand your horizons and really make the learning experience crafted to what you want it to be. With that, create, build, prototype. Talk to us, Elton. Yeah, so rapidly prototyping, I think it's never too early for young students to start to build their portfolios, start to create, you know, so that they're learning and they're doing, learning and they're doing. And that's one of the philosophies that really helped me in working with Kimi Wilson and our team is getting their hands on the tools and being able to get them to insert themselves into everything they do so they can understand, you know, early on what problems can they learn and solve, not only technologically, but also within their community, right? What story is going to bring to life so that they can share and increase their cultural competency for each other and other peers in that classroom, right? And I think most importantly is making sure that they're creating and building and prototyping because not only that, like I said, technology, we know, is outpacing so many different areas and different fields and we want them to be able to gain those new skills, those skills that will help them adapt and evolve and create those transferable skills so that they can constantly be growing as they continue to create. And one of my favorites is making sure that they understand that it's OK to want to go out there and build your career and to get a job, but we also want to make sure that they understand how to be investable versus just employable. And knowing that their DNA is a part of them understanding how they can take control of their destiny. And I think it's a twofold part where educators are now becoming storytellers because they're laying the foundation for these young people to understand that the most important story they all can tell is the story they tell themselves first. And key members, would you like to add anything to that? And I just really love the fact that one of the things that we're really conscious about at GRX, we want students to be investable and employable. And we know that the futures of tomorrow really are going to be housed in entrepreneurship. And so we just want to prepare our students to maximize that opportunity. And why is immersive education important because it's emerging industry? Right. So if you look back, it took maybe a hundred years or you can see now for the traditional Hollywood system to be built. But as you can see, when they started to build that industry, they started to tap into the U.S.C.'s, the NYU's, you know, and then you had a large amount of young filmmakers out there who went out there to create their own lanes and their own pathway. And now you're starting to see this new ecosystem being built with all of these large tech companies. You got the Facebooks who acquired Oculus for two billion dollars from a young man who was really the development team in his garage and it did a Kickstarter to raise money for one of the first early VR headsets. So we never get these students to understand that they can go out and they can build these types of opportunities for themselves. I think it's very, very important because this industry is growing. And we have the very, very beginning, you know, a precipice of great opportunity for them to take the industry to build and create the language and the grammar for what this new immersive economy can be. So not only are they learning at the same time, they're preparing themselves for an ecosystem that they're going to continue to build. And with that, we know what's going to be needed. It's going to be hardware needed, software is going to be needed. And all these new platforms are going to need developers and creators, which is most important. Anybody want to add to that? So the opportunity, creative, entrepreneurship and one of the things that we have in GRX immersive labs is even if you don't want to start a business, learn to think like one. Because we want our students to be able to problems on. We want our students to be able to take the opinions and the advice from co-creators and co-collaborators that they work with. And so every educational model that we design, because a part of storytelling is also making sure that you listen to other voices and make sure that other voices are heard. And so creating an atmosphere and creating a space. These are amazing tools that really help students become creative entrepreneurs and really bust down the doors of virtual reality. And I have to say my favorite ones is when I talk to kids when we go to different schools and they'll ask you about a job or business. And they'll say, how much money do they make, right? And you tell the kid, oh, this particular career makes six figures. Their eyes light up. And you think the kids don't necessarily really care about that. The kids like to earn and they like to learn and earn as well. And I think it's really important that it's never too too early to teach them about what these opportunities present when you go on certain career fields and certain tracks. And even understanding, you know, as educators, where are the investments, where are the acquisitions so you know where these industries are going and how to prepare these students to be prepared for that. That immersive economy or what some would consider this this next fourth industrial new industrial revolution with all of these new technologies that will impact how we live and how we learn. And I think that's very, very important because especially when you start to think about how VR has now started to impact so many different various industries. And then with the next wave of that, implementing things like artificial intelligence and machine learning, these are things that kids can learn about now that they're already using in their hands when they're playing video games and they're trying out these new apps. Being able to get them to understand how to unpack those things, takes them down a road of discovery that allows them, like you might have talked about earlier, of unpacking new opportunities for themselves and learning as they're doing the things that they love. And here is just sort of a landscape of companies that have started as a result of the immersive economy growing year after year, all of these jobs. And most importantly, what's amazing is look at all of these. A lot of these are startups. So, you know, when you look at one, you got to imagine at least, you know, three to five jobs are being created.  So this is a very large landscape of opportunity for the next generation as they get their hands on these immersive technologies when you're teaching them and to even educate them on the landscape as well. Because if you surprise a lot of these companies and these tools they use, you know, they love sort of sort of like Fortnite, you know, you tell kids about Fortnite and then they start to unpack the company that created Fortnite called Epic Games. And then you start to teach them about how they made Fortnite. They made Fortnite for the game engine called Unreal Engine. And now Unreal Engine has educational workshops where teachers can teach through Fortnite. So, you know, that really, really gets them going. And then we have, you know, virtual reality experiences, all many other experiences that will allow them to learn and not be just consumers, but also producers. And again, like we said, meeting kids where they are. This is the playground for them. When you look at places like the eSports landscape, right? You have companies like Amazon who acquire Twitch. You know, and then you have Apple. They're buying motion capture companies now. The things that you see in your phone where, you know, the kids are doing like, what is it? Snapchat. When you teach a kid about Snapchat, what's really behind the mechanics of Snapchat is, you know, facial recognition technology that allows them, or all of the other technologies rather, that allows them to be able to create these emojis that move to their face. They really get excited about understanding what's underneath the hood. And then you have Atlantic Labs. You know, they did Pokemon Go. This company was originally the company that developed Google Maps.  Those are 360 cameras that are capturing the entire landscape and putting it up in the cloud for you to be able to go on Google Maps and see certain neighborhoods and communities. So those are opportunities for them to learn how to hit new trades, skills and opportunities for themselves. And of course, you can't forget PlayStation, you know, the VR console. And a lot of these young people are using computers or something. So in video, you know, they make it about the chips. So there's so many different things that they use on a day to day basis. They can be unpacked and take them on a road of discovery opportunity. And then what you end up seeing is, again, it falls right back to STEM, where these things that they're learning by doing are things like 3D mapping, navigation, 3D capture, 3D content capture, eye-tracking, audio, you know, there's so many different areas that you would just never really think about until you start to really dive deeper into what you can teach and what they can learn. And again, you know, the beautiful thing about the convergence of technology now and storytelling is that storytellers and technologists are coming together. So now, even though you might not be the type of student who may want to code, they're making programming languages that allow you to still be able to exercise your talent as an artist to be able to still be able to create. And that's one thing I love about bringing them all together so that now no one's left out of creating in this new technological landscape. And I'm going to play one more last video just to show you how we're able to bring in some of the young students from college and get them prepared early as they move their way into college, preparing themselves for leveraging technology. Today was an activation day and I thought it couldn't have gone any better. Everybody was having fun. It was nothing but smiles. I think the students' response to the VR workshop was really nice to see. They were excited about it. It isn't our traditional pathway. It's new for us. My students were really impressed with each other's work, which I thought was awesome. You know, we teach them traditional filmmaking. So how to set up shots from that vantage point. And I think the wrapping your head around the 360 camera and that new world and those new possibilities, that's the piece that I feel like the students have been coming up to me and talking to me about was just this new world created by this 360 camera. So I thought it was really impressive, which Eric's did. I think it's a wonderful opportunity for people who are just on the traditional film track because immersive media kind of offers you kind of a side door into the industry and you can find a lot of opportunities that you might not get otherwise just because you're doing something that's a little bit more niche. When I attended Hollywood CPR in West LA College, it gave me the confidence and the foundation to go out there and get real world practical experience. And that later helped me transition into the local 600 union and then ultimately into the director's get of America. And I've continued to keep that foundation with me not only as an individual, but I've also made sure that we continue to use that in GRX immersive labs and creating that safe space for creators and entrepreneurs and artists and technicians to keep to grow their craft. So we talked about the March earlier on and just one thing that's great about immersive tech is that even though when you create these virtual experiences and stories, it gives you an opportunity to make subjects refreshing and bring new insights and perspectives. So one thing I loved about the March was our challenge was how do you take the civil rights movement and certain aspects of civil rights movement, especially with Dr. King and bring something refreshing to it? Or and our challenge was what they call the nine word problem. You know, you in school, you learn about civil rights movement, you learn about it in nine words, which is Martin Luther King, Jr. Rosa Parks, I had a dream. And, you know, we do this from, you know, from the time here in kindergarten all the way to grade and we wanted to figure out if we want to take an experience like the March on Washington, how do we bring something refreshing to this experience? So we wanted to give us an opportunity to get deeper into nuances and stories and on some heroes that were a part of the March on Washington. So so opportunities like that, it's great curriculum. So so not only when you finish the VR experience, you learn about which history we took to create the March on Washington. When you come out, there's more information to really learn about how you can continue to be an advocate for change and to be able to move forward. And you learn about other people who contributed to the March outside of just the people that you learn about the mainstream media. So it gives you an opportunity to redefine narratives in a very, very powerful and meaningful way. And you know, people to have an opportunity to take on these new technologies and bring in their culture and their point of view, their perspective that you often may not see. Can you mind you want to close the side, bring us home? Well, the question that we really asked a lot of the time is, are you immersed already? Right? And we know that the immersive economy has a shortage of skills, content, a new family to meet the demand. So that is why the RX immersive labs is very cognizant that we are concerned about educating the next generation, because we know there are amazing content creators sitting in first grade, sitting in eighth grade, sitting in a little top grade, right? And so we want to equip them with the tools and the knowledge to really meet this immersive time. And so one of the things that is very important, even as outs to show the different companies that are leading the way, we are very, we're very aware that in order to prepare our students, we've got to think in a much bigger way, right? We've got to think about how are we designing educational models in virtual reality that really taps into that student that loves art, taps into that student that loves music, taps into that students that love to go behind the hood and really think about what the software is requiring you to do. And so those are all skill sets that are really going to push students and catapult them to be immersive ready. And as the world becomes our new desktop, what can students develop or create to help build the immersive economy? As a teacher, I had a lot of students who had a lot of family members who dealt with various medical issues, right? Whether it range from cancer, whether it range to HIV, they all had different techniques that they were actually utilizing to help their family member either eat well or just live a more quality of life. And I found that a lot of the system, the current traditional systems that we have in education didn't allow students to really think deeply. And so those are the very students that have some of the cures and they are the ones like Alton said earlier, they're engaged in the Facebooks, they're engaged in various technologies. And so tapping into their knowledge, we actually can find the cure for a lot of social and health issues that we currently face in our world. And as GRX Immersive Labs always says, there are riches in the niches, right? And so it's time to really go out and tap into those spaces where kids are bored in classrooms, where teachers are not really leveraging all the knowledge that exists, GRX Immersive Labs is poised to create virtual reality, content, artificial intelligence content that really reimagined education and really centers our students' knowledge. This part wraps it up on our presentation, Storytelling and Action, Immersive Storytelling and Education. So we just want to say thank you to X-Prize for a wonderful opportunity to present Storytelling and Action, the GRX Immersive Labs way. Again, my name is Alton Glass, CEO of GRX Immersive Labs. Just want to say thank you. And I'm Dr. Kimar Wilson, definitely thank you, thank you, thank you, X-Prize for this opportunity for GRX Immersive Labs to really show you an operational case, all the amazing work that we're doing around immersive education. But thank you so much. We look forward to interacting with you all virtually again.


Hi friends, welcome back to my channel and a very special welcome if you're new here. My name is Jen. I'm a certified weight loss and nutrition coach. I follow weight watchers and I count calories and macros. Happy Saturday. It is Saturday, so it's grocery haul day. When you see today's video, I'm currently in San Diego living my best life, but I still have a grocery haul for you, so if you're excited, give this video a big thumbs up. Subscribe if you're not, because we do a grocery haul every Saturday and I do upload five videos every single week. Check out the description box down below for nutrition coaching, where I offer personalized to you macros and calories. Highly recommend, this is how I've lost almost 140 pounds, as well as one-on-one coaching for accountability and if you would like to chat with me directly. Links and discounts to my favorite things and definitely come join our Facebook group. I will be posting pictures on my Instagram, pictures on Facebook group from my trip and it's just a great way to keep up with me a little bit more day to day. So let me turn you around and let's jump in to the grocery haul. So here is my grocery haul for the week. I did a Walmart grocery pickup. I am heading out of town. I'm filming today's video on Wednesday. I head to San Diego tomorrow, Thursday. So most of what I picked up is for Troy. I did grab a few things for some recipes when I get home. So let me show you what I grabbed for the week from Walmart. Of course, I picked up some more cereal for Troy. They did have the five or one. They haven't had this the last few trips. So I grabbed the big box of that and then the family size box of the toasted berry crisp. These are actually his two favorite cereals and they had them both. So I picked up both and then I got some milk. Apparently they only had one gallon of 1% milk so they substituted with two half gallons. It doesn't matter to me but I thought that was interesting that they had one full gallon and then had to make a substitution for the second one. I also grabbed some cottage cheese. Troy can eat this while I'm out of town and then I picked up some fruit as well and then some chicken bone broth. This is for a recipe this next week. I've been substituting bone broth for chicken broth just to get in the extra protein. There's really no protein in chicken broth and you can get a good amount in bone broth. So I've been doing that substitution a lot and then lots of pizza. He asked for frozen pizzas while I'm gone. This is really easy lunch, dinner for him. I'm also going to make those baked beans from my meal plan this last week and have those for him as well. But I did get a four meat pizza spoiler alert. This Sam's Choice Thin Crest Pizza is so good and I want to say these pizzas are five or $6. Fantastic, highly recommend. So I did get a four meat, a pepperoni and a supreme all in Thin Crest. We both prefer Thin Crest Pizza over regular crust. I ordered him two bags of popcorn but they were out of the Himalayan salt so they substituted the Himalayan sweet, sweet and salty. So like a kettle corn, I've never had this and I love lesser evil popcorn. So I'm hoping that he likes this because they were out of just the regular butter popcorn. So I did grab two bags. He wanted some pepperoni to add to the pizzas. He always likes to add some additional toppings. So I did pick up the pepperoni and then I did get mozzarella cheese for him as well. He likes to add extra cheese, extra pepperoni, just kind of extra toppings in general to the frozen pizzas. And then I actually needed some light shredded cheese for a recipe. Grab some lunch meat. This is the boar's head garlic chicken breast. I thought that that would be good for him to have sandwiches, wraps, quesadillas, things like that while I was gone.  Speaking of lavash bread, it was out of stock so I was a little bummed out about that. I do have some sprouted bread and I have some low carb tortillas but you know I love my lavash bread. So hopefully he'll eat some of that while I'm gone. And then for fun I did get him some peanut butter cookies just so he had a little something sweet while I was gone. And then for veggies, mushrooms. That way he can add some of those to the pizza for an extra veg. And then I needed some broccoli for a dinner recipe. I will tell you guys what's on my menu for dinners after the grocery haul and don't forget there will not be a video tomorrow Sunday and there will not be a meal prep on Monday since I won't be here. But I do have a really good dinner recipe to share with you in next week's what I eat in a day and that's actually what I needed the broccoli for. I did get raspberries and blackberries for Tori while I'm gone and then of course for the week when I get back. And then no surprise some mini cucumbers. I also picked up a case of Diet Coke and a big case of Gatorade Zero for Tori as well. So that's it kind of a small haul this week. I've had pretty big hauls the last couple weeks and I am going to be making a Costco run which we always know ends up being a massive grocery haul. So that is everything for the week. Let me show you what's on my menu for dinners and what you'll see in Wednesday's what I eat in a day. So here's what's on my menu for the week. Obviously Saturdays isn't out for dinner day. Sunday I will still be in Sandy Ago but I am back on Monday. So in Wednesday's what I eat in a day you will see the cheesy chicken, broccoli and rice. I'm really excited for this recipe so that will be in Wednesday's video. Tuesday's leftovers, Wednesday we're doing sloppy joes and then Thursday and Friday we will make sure we eat up all the leftovers from earlier in the week and don't forget there will not be a meal prep up on Monday. Thank you for joining me for this week's grocery haul. I hope you enjoyed seeing everything that I picked up for the week. Stay tuned for that really good recipe in this next Wednesday's what I eat in a day and if you enjoyed the grocery haul give it a thumbs up. Again, subscribe if you're not. I would love to have you here and turn your bell on so you never miss a future video. Don't forget to check out the description box for nutrition coaching, links and discounts to my favorite things and of course definitely come join us over on Facebook, we'd love to have you. Thank you for watching, happy Saturday and I'll see you next time. Bye.