Now, this lecture is on ultrasonics which is another technique of NDT which is predominantly used in condition based maintenance as a non-destructive test technique to evaluate the effectiveness of for example, welding detection of cracks and so on. So, we will look into the principles behind this ultrasonics in this class, few applications and recent development in ultrasonics that is the phased array technology which is used in getting an overall idea while doing an ultrasonics scanning on an equipment. So, essentially ultrasonic waves are sound waves and these waves are as we define ultrasonics any wave above 20 kilohertz though in the case of ultrasonic which are used in fault detection, we use signals higher to frequencies of 1 megahertz and so on. These waves are very directional and then they can propagate in a media and so on and we will see how this the propagation in a medium is affected if there is a defect and then how we can identify those defects. Ultrasonic wave another important principle of ultrasonic wave is the speed of the wave is dependent on the material property. For example, in steel the speed of sound is about 5000 meters per second. So, one needs to know the different speeds of ultrasonic sound waves in a material and then this wave you know once it is incident, we will look into the supposes an ultrasonic wave front going in this direction and there is a certain depth to which it can go that depends on the power of the ultrasonic wave that depends in the frequency of the wave the diameter of the wave and so on. So, that is what is used in the transducer design. So, essentially in ultrasonic we send a wave and depending on the impedance another important concept which I am going to introduce in acoustics is what is known as the impedance. So, z is the for example, I have a medium certain impedance z 2 which is P 2 by V 2 and the impedance of this medium is z 1 which is P 1 by V 1 where P is the acoustic or sound pressure V is the velocity. So, depending on the relationship between z 1 and z 2 some will be incident, some will be transmitted, some will be reflected and so on. So, the impedance of the material if z 1 equal to z 2 the wave would get transmitted without any no reflections. So, this is the physical principle of the physics behind such sound waves. So, depending on the intensity of z 2 sorry the reflected wave intensity and the incident wave intensity we can find out some clue as to what is this z 2 of the material. Now, if the there is a difference in the impedance this reflection coefficient which is i r by i i will be dependent they will vary which is nothing, but a function of z 1 z 2 and from acoustics you can find out what is the relation between reflection coefficient between the transmission coefficient and so on. Now, if there is a defect in the material say in the form of a crack or a void defect in the form of crack or void in a material this wave front is going to get reflected sorry z 1 z 2 and some nu z star. Now, if I move this this is a probe if I move this probe along the surface of the body and then this incident wave is set there will be instances when the intensity of the reflected wave will be different than the intensity at this location say for example, i r star at another location it will be may be i r. So, by knowing the difference of this intensity we can get some clue as to what is wrong in the material and so on. So, this is how ultrasonic waves are used to find out the presence of a defect which in effect is because of a change in impedance. Another we use we make of ultrasonic wave is if you look at this way this is a material and we send an ultrasonic wave this is z 2 z 1 because it strikes impedance discontinuous boundary there will be reflections and this can be a trans receiver. So, if I move this probe all throughout I can do couple of things first is with time I can see some ultrasonic wave intensity. So, this time period is nothing but responsible for this is l the thickness of the material. So, the time period will be c by 2 l will be this time t. So, indirectly if I know the time period between such intervals where I send the wave and get the reflected wave and if the speed of sound is known I can find out l as 2 by 2 c and this is the principle behind what is known as ultrasonic thickness gauge. This has lot of industrial applications. For example, in a pipeline pipeline has certain wall thickness this is the pipeline and this is to have a certain thickness say t is its thickness. Now, this could be carrying some fluids in a plant could be some fluid which could be corrosive or otherwise there could be scale formation because of impurities. So, what would happen over the time either material would get deposited or material would get depleted because of corrosion. So, from the outside if I put such ultrasonic probes which I am writing as u t. So, and then try to measure the new thickness t star or t dash. So, these thicknesses will be in one case t star is greater than t in another case t prime is less than t where t is my original thickness. So, this kind of probes are used for measuring the thicknesses of pipes in chemical plant process plant over the years. You would not know from the outside whether the pipe is having certain deposits in the forms of scale or pipe has got corroded to a certain thickness. So, if you do a regular scanning by an ultrasonic probe along the length of the pipe you can see whether the thickness variations are there is one application. Another application is many a times you know we have been to plants you know wherein you know I know a case of a paper mill wherein this the owners of the paper mill actually bought a paper mill the whole plant out of the Eastern Europe in from Romania shipped them to India and installed it in a location in India. And they started producing papers the plant was in place, but they were never sure as to what is the dimensions because they never had any drawings of the sections of the critical sections of that plant machinery. For example, in a paper mill maybe in some of my earlier classes I had shown you the figures of this paper mills there are lot of rolls and actually these rolls are held on frames you know frames this sort of thing cross section and these are bolted to the foundations. I am just doing one of the front views, but nobody knows you know there are series of such frames you know put in the plant where the paper mill roll roll and this is the frame which is of course, put on a foundation on the soft floor. So, in such a plant there were cases where the thickness of this though they knew this was steel, but nobody knew what was the thickness of this material. So, in such a scenario now we used to put ultrasonic probes and then we are able to measure the thickness and then we could reconstruct the entire plant machinery drawings in terms of once we knew the thickness we will measure the dimensions. So, what I mean to say is lot of unknown thicknesses can be measured using ultrasonic probes because you have access from the outside and then you can know the thicknesses on the appropriate places. This is this is one area where ultrasonic is used. Now this wave you know I have not told you about the type of wave you know what is the type of wave as you know these are all sound waves and sound waves and structures can propagate as you know shear wave or surface wave and sometimes as longitudinal wave and speed of propagation of these waves are different and if you look into any book on acoustics they will give you the equations of these waves which are propagating in solids fluids and depending on the type of wave the speed of sound in this materials are different. And we will show you one general case for example, this is a view wherein this is a body. So, if I have a normal beam probe and this actually is perpendicular to the structure and this A is actually a longitudinal wave. Now if I move it along this probe at an angle this angle could be 45 degree, 60 degree, 70 degree this is going to produce a shear wave and this shear wave is going to get reflected out of this area because this discontinuity and then we can see if there was a defect in the path there will be reflection at a different angle. So, this kind of waves can be produced by having an angle beam otherwise or we can reduce the angle like a total internal reflection and then this will be almost on this surface. So, we can generate surface waves. So, and these are generated by this ultrasonic probes. So, what is this ultrasonic probes? What generates ultrasonic waves? How do we physically generate these waves? Essentially what happens there are in a transducer we have certain piezoelectric material and if a small piece of piezoelectric material is held in a casing with right amount of stiffness. This has a natural frequency f n this could be equal to may be 1 megahertz or so very stiff and thin short less mass element. So, we will have a very high natural frequency. So, if I excite this piezoelectric crystal by an oscillator where I can generate a forcing frequency equal to 1 megahertz this is going to resonate and then I will be able to generate ultrasonic waves. So, this is a very simple principle of having a piezoelectric crystal P crystal which could be made to resonate by a frequency which is equal to its resonant frequency and then we can generate such ultrasonic waves. And this waves if they are normal they will be longitudinal they could be at an incline they will be shear. If I make it more inclined and finally, I can get a surface wave. So, the same probe depending on its geometry can be used to produce any of these three types of waves. So, one such waves have been generated by an ultrasonic transmitter we can now have this wave propagating in a material. And then depending on the impedance of the material because of a defect discontinuity void crack we can get a reflected wave and depending on the intensity of the reflected wave in comparison with the intensity of the incident wave we can get as to some clue as to what is the change in the impedance and what where is the defect and so on. So, ultrasonic application if I have to just briefly write down what are the applications of ultrasonic waves particularly in CBN. One of course, was the thickness measurement and the other is what is known as the void or crack detection. There of course, all NDT techniques and this void and crack detection has a lot of engineering applications another one specifically for ultrasonic is weld defect identification. In some critical applications where welding is done there are many codes like the ASME codes ASME weld codes which mandate that all welding have to be checked by ultrasonics. So, this is a lot of engineering applications another applications I will tell you which coming out of Kharagpur we have a big railway workshop here. And I must tell you so, if you look at the railway wheel set this is the axle flange and the tread imagine in a railway axle if there was a crack which was internal which has developed may be some initiation was there because of a weak material or something. And over the time this crack has become alarmingly big time will come this crack is so, severe that there will be a failure of the axle. So, you can imagine the disastrous consequence of an axle railway axle failure. So, how can you detect such internal cracks obviously, it is not visible from the outside. So, what they do in the railway workshop is they have an UT probe. And if you go to the workshop you will see this guys will be scanning the entire surface of the axles over a certain period and they have a periodic inspections of the axles. We will come back to the example of the welding pretty soon. So, the principle of ultrasonic transduce transduction which I just mentioned to you that we have a usually a piezoelectric crystal which is made to resonate at its natural frequency. So, this ultrasonic wave is generated and the shape of the ultrasonic transducer enables whether the signal is longitudinal or it is in a shear mode or it is in the surface wave. And then we also have a receiver and another technique is we can generate series of ultrasonic waves and then it in one go I can have many ultrasonic waves going in as a array and then they will get reflected back. So, this helps us quickly find out the defect. So, this is one of the latest techniques which they have been using in ultrasonic and we have one such in our lab and which you can see in our website www.iitnoise.com. So, all these instrumentations are available particularly the ultrasonic phase array, phase array probe. I will come to that discussion at the end. So, if I was to explain to you how this ultrasonic wave interacts, essentially this is the piezoelectric this is a material which is being inspected. This is an ultrasonic crystal and then this is the incident beam at an angle. This beam will get refracted some part of it will get reflected and usually we have a sound absorbing material here sorry absorbing material. So, that because we do not want any information from here rather we are interested to where this beam gets reflected and then looking at this reflected beam we can find out the intensity of that where this defect is and so on. So, fault detection by ultrasonic probes one is this internal crack and voids in any type of material both metal and non-metal and then is the thickness detection. Another very big advantage of ultrasonics sonics is it can be used both in metals and non metals. You all many of you may be familiar you know the doctors use ultrasounds for you are finding out the ultrasound sonography to find out if something wrong with you some element is there and these are essentially non elements only thing that we have to know the speed of sound in that medium unlike some other entity techniques where they have to be metal like the eddy current eddy current testing or magnetic particle detection method they have to be metals. Ultrasonic is it can be used in non metals. So, this is where it is advantageous though in many engineering structures we have what we know as the usually made out of steel. Now, I will give you another example how is ultrasonic used for weld flaw detection. So, for example, if I have two plates which are but welded. So, there will be some sort of a chamfer angle and this two plates are put together. So, there will be an weld deposit I am showing this weld deposit weldment or weld deposit and this is plate A this is plate B. So, what happens is you know if you can think of this is a long plate and then there will be this kind of weldment. So, to see if this weldment has is effective or not what you can do is I can put a shear wave probe I can put a shear wave ut shear wave ut probe. So, what it essentially does it sends a beam and then it gets reflected and this gets into the weldment and I can be traversing this weld probe one by one along the length of this weldment and whenever there is a flaw in the weldment if there is a flaw here the intensity of the reflected wave is going to change. So, if I get an image of all the intensities of the ultrasonic wave along this line very next to the weldment I can see a high intensity which corresponds to this kind of a defect here. So, that is how the every weldment is checked against any internal weld defect this is not possible by any other technique this this internal defects are not visible to the open naked eye. So, only thing is that now it is there are many systems where in this probe is traversing this traversing is automated and then there are softwares and through good GUI software where the traversing is controlled one can get an image of this length and depending on as many such weldments are there we can have the picture of the weldment. Another very important aspect while doing such ultrasonic probe is how do we ensure that the ultrasonic wave which we have generated is actually going and then getting reflected and not getting reflected from this surface no reflection. So, to ensure that happens usually a couplent is put and this is nothing but a water based gel. So, that good high signal to noise ratio of the ultrasonic wave is generated and. So, the all the energy ultrasonic wave gets transmitted to the medium. So, this has to be one important thing and this surface in for example, in this case of no special treatment of the surface is required apart from that a layer of couplent is to be put may be a layer of couplent is to be put. Now, depending on the nature of this traverse of the image there are certain scan modes in ultrasonic we will come to the scan modes pretty soon. So, this is another example wherein a thickness ultrasonic thickness probe is being used in the laboratory to measure the thickness of a material. This is actually a steel block and if you will see here this is about we have put the centimeter scale here is about 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10 about 100 centimeters and this is about 32 in I approximation and this is may be bearing 2 mm of the gap here which has been artificially created to explain to your demonstrated to you how this ultrasonic UT probe the red one is the transmitter and the other one is the receiver built into this probe. So, this has been calibrated this is an ultrasonic thickness scale this has been calibrated to measure the thickness of steel by in this thickness scale we have entered the speed of sound of ultrasonic wave in steel as 5000 meters per second and this is measured as 68 millimeter. So, this can be used to measure the thickness and this is the principle behind this ultrasonic thickness gauge. Another one was this one was a metal surface we would not like to measure its thickness from the outside. So, 1.7 if this is not possible to measure by a ruler or by a scale because you do not have access to the other side of the material and you can see this should like gel like thing that is the coupling which has been put between the material and the ultrasonic probe to measure the thickness. So, coming to the scan modes there are 3 scans A, B, C. So, A is a scan wherein at a single point I do a measurement B is actually a surface scan or I would say a linear scan quite not 2 dimensional. So, if I on the on the weldment I can get do a B scan, but then a series suppose this is a top view of a material. So, this is an A scan at any point this could be a B scan and series of such B scans is actually represent as a C scan. So, these kind of scan images A scan B scan C scan. So, C scan gives us a contour of where the defect is and depend if there is a defect at a particular location this should come up as a change in the color intensity. So, there are lot of nice computer graphics in the softwares which drive this ultrasonic systems where you can get a colored image colored image of the entire surface. But you will notice that in such a scenario one has to any way physically capture all the data at every A scan points and then put them together through a graphics. So, this becomes a little cumbersome and little tiring and tiring to perform individual scans at every point. Though as I was telling you particularly for weldings in pressure vessels, nuclear plants, aircrafts, bridges they some of the codes mandate that an ultrasonic scanning is done ultrasonic test is done to find out the weld effects. And this is the principle people use to do find out the defects in welding because the whole problem with welding because if you would have seen in we will be studying a case study. In many of the scenarios because you know welding brings about high temperature in the material this changes the metallurgical properties of the material in terms of its grain size etcetera. So, particularly in welding they do what is known as post heat weld treatment. Post heat weld treatment because you know if you weld you go up to the melting point of the material and may be around 14 degree and then if you cool with time the temperature. The rate of cooling has lot of influence in the grain size which is developed in the material. So, sometimes the materials can become brittle, sometimes they can crack, sometimes they become so brittle that they cannot sustain large fatigue loadings and they would fail. So, what happens usually after a post heat weld treatment to ensure that there are no voids, no cracks, no defects. It is mandatory in such critical applications in pressure vessels, nuclear plants, bridges etcetera they do 100 percent ultrasonic testing. It is only because of this and that is the reason in many cases particularly in aircraft etcetera you will see wherever possible people try to avoid the welding and then may be go for reverting. Because with welding the most what is something is that I could be changing the metallurgical composition of materials and when you will see in condition based maintenance many a times failures have occurred not because the plant was not running within the limits. Everything was safe in terms of the rotational speeds, operational speeds and loads, but because of an inherent material defect right in the manufacturing stage of the plant. May be a conveyor system the brackets in a conveyor system or the towers or the rails they broke. There are been cases where the conveyor the pulleys in a conveyor drive system just sheared off because the way the pulleys are made I will just show you one configuration of one drive pulley. For example, if you look at the pulley it is basically made out of two desks which is put at two ends and then there is a roll cylindrical roll and there is a shaft which is from fit either sometimes it is right here sometimes it is through and through also and then there are bearings sorry. So, many a times these areas welding is done this is one area where welding is done. There has been cases where we have seen that these materials fail in this crack occurred in such pulleys they are known as drum pulleys. And this because this couple of reasons because no proper post weld heat recovery treatment was done and. So, this kind of failures do not are not because of the operating conditions operating conditions are good enough, but because of no proper heat treatment. And such cases they recommend that an U T inspection is done I will report to you a case study where we did do the metallurgical analysis of this fail structure and we could find out that there is a difference in the microstructure because of such harsh heat during generated during welding ok. Now, we will come to another technique because by now you have you must have realized that by ultrasonic I can have a probe generate a wave sheets reflected intensity by some way measuring the reflected intensity we get couple of things one is the flight time duration which can be used to measure the thickness. And if this thickness is because of a scale formation or because of a corrosion we can find out the change in thickness. Next is this ultrasonic probes can be used to find out internal defects like a void or a crack in a structure, but you must have realized if there is a big structure and at every point if you have to do an ultrasonic scanning point by point this becomes a humongous task. So, recently what has happened is basically a phased array probe is been made it is basically long phased array probe which is cut into many different piezoelectric elements like this. And a phased arrays are in which the timing of the elements excitation can be individually controlled to produce desirous of its as a steering the beam axis or focusing the beam. So, through an electronic timing of these phased arrays these phased array crystals they are equally spaced though. So, I can excite them in one go so all of them will generate ultrasonic waves or I can excite this earlier than this. So, then the flight time will be different and then I can steer them or I can converge them. So, all these operations are possible through an electronic controlling mechanism or a circuit. Now, such structure I mean this could be held together may be there are 16 elements you know usually probes are found in 16 elements or 64 elements. So, imagine instead of one probe you have 16 probes or 64 probes in one go. So, for a quickly they can help you do the scanning. So, this is what is the phased array beam forming which happens. So, we have an equation unit and then they will send the pulse and then we can get the there is a flaw and then this internal the echoes will come because of the reflection and then depending on the phased delay or depending on the intensity we can find out the defect location of the defect. So, but this require very precise pulsing and very precise estimations of calculating the time delay. Imagine you are talking about waves at 1 mega hertz or 2 mega hertz. So, this require very fast because the time delay you know as frequency time delay is inversely proportional to frequency the higher the frequency time delay will be less and we have to be very careful or have very fast processors to capture such signals. So, this is where is being used currently and this equipment we have in our lab and we use this and this is just to show you how a focusing can be done. Elements are pulsed these are the elements with different time delays and these elements if more delay is applied less delay is applied. So, depending on that they will they will focus on to a surface. So, these are all gimmickry of the electronic circuit which helps you generate a wave. So, I can focus it if I I can steer it. So, all these scenarios are possible through such phased array processors is another example for shear waves because shearing I have to slant it. So, I have to steer it. So, I can generate increasing time delay and then I can generate a shear wave. So, this angle can be changed by the delay and that is the beauty of such phased array probes. So, this ultrasonic probes sonic probes are available in many forms one is the longitudinal probe other is the shear wave probe. Shear wave probes are actually angular and then we have the phased array. Phased array probe is actually many such ultrasonic probes held together and through a electronic circuit electronic circuit we can generate and sometimes the transducer or transmitter and the receiver held together in one unit. So, beams could be again used to focus they will all converge and finally, focus. So, in this these are all these are the phased arrays the green ones are the phased arrays, but you can see by changing the control circuit many configurations are possible beam steering straight inclined asymmetrical and so on can be done and then this will help you to find out the flaws. Another is this linear scanning this is what I was talking about there are certain active group 64 element probes can then you can scan them and then the scanning method could be like this you can probe them. So, the entire surface can be scanned and you can get the intensity of these waves wherever there is a defect intensity is going to change. So, you can get an image a C scan of the ultrasonic test and this is how it can be done. All you have to do is hold the probe and just traverse it and there are 16 active elements into the probe and lot has to be done with the cable because sometimes this cables in this probes are also equally costlier. So, this is a probe and then we have a cable and the signal processing unit of course, this interface with a good GUI based software. Sometimes care has to be taken because they are all piezoelectric material this cables you know you typically in a plant you know this is about this has come in standard length from 5 to 20 meters ok. So, you could be traversing the probe depending on whichever scan mode and usually C scan can be done with such phased array probe and then you can get a GUI software where you can get an image of the system. So, this is one method by which the linear scanning is done you can see the graphics ok one by one. So, this is just by moving the electronic signal stimulus physically the probe has not moved probe has stayed on the entire surface, but just by moving the electronic energizing particular element my wave are being generated. So, you can scan them accordingly. So, this is what is known as the electronic scanning or linear scanning it is the ability to move the acoustic beam along the axis of the array without any mechanical movement ok. The beam movement is performed by time multiplexing of the active elements scanning extend limited by number of elements in the array number of channels in the acquisition system because this is a multi channel acquisition system. So, this as I was telling instrumentation has come a long way to help the ultrasonic in particularly condition based maintenance and recently earlier we used to have just single element ultrasonic probes having resonance piezoelectric crystals having resonating structures, but nowadays through such electronic linear scanning we can produce beams and we can do the scanning almost immediately. So, these are some of the views of the different phase arrays scan sorry. So, these are the different this is a sectorial scan this is a linear scan I am sorry and then we have a linear scan and then this is a combination of the scan how they are arranged in the probe different elements and then this can be scanning. So, all along the wedges you know this suppose is an element you can do the scanning and find out. So, the advantage of phase array ultrasonic ultrasonic scanning is high speed electronic scanning without moving parts, improved inspection capabilities through software control of beam characteristics, inspection with multiple angles with single electronically controlled probe and greater flexibility for inspection of complex geometries and so on. This is one such phase array system which we have in our laboratory wherein you can get an image of the area where you are scanning and this is very similar to the doctors ultrasound sonogram which you would have seen. So, we can see a defect according to here in the C scan. So, ultrasound has become very popular because of this softwares which are available and because of the advantage in phase array electronic systems which can be used for doing a quick scanning of systems and finding out defects. Thank you.


One of the most surprising things we do that is something that people do every day, but don't perhaps think about from a critical perspective is that we Engage in walking tours at Ford's theater. We have a program called history on foot. We commissioned playwrights to write pieces for historical Figures that are going to be portrayed by actors. So it's a play. It really is a play But it's a play walking through the city of Washington that tells a particular story that is connected to Abraham Lincoln's time in Washington and especially to the end of his life and of his presidency and When we do those walks what we encourage the teachers to do is to think about How that walk is a primary source? How the city itself is a primary source that they're analyzing and that they can use perspectives like the perspectives of the people who are leading the tours the character historical characters to to Enhance the learning opportunities for their students and that therefore every part of a field study experience or a trip is a learning opportunity And and that's something that we've really sort of come to through working in this program You know, we knew it to a certain extent, but I think that our understanding of that learning That secretary of state William Seward had indeed been attacked in his home in Lafayette Park Stabbed nearly to death We similarly do walking tour of Georgetown So looking at different places in Georgetown to get different vantage points there Union officers living in the same next door to Confederate sympathizers so looking at the same community and who was living in that community and how their different perspectives really inter created an interesting mix during the Civil War and so giving teachers the option of coming and looking at place as a primary source and using that to teach students about what daily life would have been like during a Specific time period and I think the walking tour Lends itself well to teachers in any community because you can take your students out Just in your local neighborhood and really discover your own local history through looking at places And I do think in general that it is one of the things that teachers find both most exciting and most daunting about their experience because it's unless you experience it it can be very hard to Understand how it's going to serve the students and so a lot I think of our of the teachers worry They get very very excited about the the walking and and being outside of their buildings But they also worry a lot that their administrators or others are not going to understand What they're trying to do and that's something that I even in just saying this right now I'm realizing we need to think about how to support them and what kinds of documentation we can provide them with And perhaps what we do with them on Friday to help them to feel more confident


I come to you today with an announcement. We will now be searching for a new host to sit alongside my beloved brother, Comrade and arms and dear friend of Vosemite Kim. I have reached capacity as to being on camera. If you wonder why we don't have enough camera episodes, this is my fault. I'll take the blame for it. So depending on how this one goes, submit your resume. Nah, I'm gonna duck it out. I'm here. Dialectics, he was giving me a speech on dialectics prior to this, where it ain't always about what you want to do, it's about what you need to do. And so if I say that I am, I guess if y'all consider me a decent host, if Abbas says I'm a decent host. I'll keep doing my part to spread truth. What is free to people to press tagline? Speaking truth to the new African struggle. That's what we here do. We've been doing it for 149 episodes, which we will record 150 right after this. There you have my brother. You telling the game, man. Hey, 150? We're about to be 150, huh? That's wild. 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If you haven't had a chance to listen to episode 149, episode 148, where we give a historical understanding of what led to this height of the conflict between the unjust state of Israel and the people who will be free of Palestine. I suggest you go back and dive into that because this episode will be somewhat of a revisiting of that, but also touching on some of the, I will guess, like themes elements we didn't get to cover in the previous episode. So while giving analysis on some of the more recent developments and definitely want to start by saying free to land, free Palestine, it's like Kwame Turese, it's science that's going to happen. It's just a matter of how and when, but people will be free. It's going to happen. That's a fact. That's the fact of the matter now. It's going to happen. The youth of the world are going to decide that it's going to happen. You know what I'm saying? Even in America, the youth for the most part, the younger demographics don't support Israel. You know what I'm saying? I've seen something, I've seen a tweet of the ex world, Twitter world, a bit more with trying to get information out and getting information to, you know what I'm saying?  So it's like, even the youth, like that was just a moment for me. Oh yeah, it's over. Like a small moment like that, seeing that like kids on these apps, leading a protest on the app because they can't go outside and protest. It's game over for Zionists. It's game over for Israel. I mean, that's what we speak to. If you haven't, you should go to peoplesprograms.com and check out the writing section. And there's a piece, Repression Raises Consciousness, which is born out of, I would say, an essay by Huey P. Newton. And his, you can look that in the Huey P. Newton reader where we talk about that there's only so much you can do to a people, so much oppression and repression you can do to a people before they start to essentially question their reality and also most importantly, fight back by whatever means right at their disposal. Right? That's just what I've come to understand is human nature. There's very, or even talk about humans, I think like animal nature, right? Like mammals, like there's very few animals that you can just push into a corner and won't do anything. Very few people who just go into the corner and like submit. Even your most precious dog or cat, you put them in a corner for too long and start to strike back, right? And so you're dealing with, at the end of the day, human instincts, animal instincts. And so we understand that repression, whether it be state-sanctioned violence by way of the police or by public health disparities or environmental racism, like we experienced in West Oakland, whether it be open-air prisons, like you get in the Gaza Strip, right? Whether you get the illegal occupation of the West Bank, whether you get the NAPCA, the Nexler, right? All these things we're going to talk about. Eventually, come on, my dog. People are going to fight back. That's what happens. They've always been fighting back. And this struggle has reached a historic stage, right? Where the ignorance of the Zionists, the ignorance of the Israelis, the ignorance of the Americans, the ignorance of the Europeans is being matched by the steadfastness, the faith of the Palestinians, the access of resistance, deciding that it's enough is enough and that the people are going to unify, the people are going to decide that a new day is going to be born. And that new day is when Palestine will be free. Ultimately, the will of the people is being enacted through struggle, through resistance, right? And we understand that according to international law, that all of this is legal. Several colonies are illegal. Genocide is illegal, right? And according to international law, colonized people have the right to use any means necessary, all and any means necessary to stop from being colonized, to stop the genocide. Right? So we're seeing this historic, historic time in history. You know, I was talking to one of my old Jesus, yeah, you know, when we was doing this free Palestine stuff back in the day, like, I would have never imagined that this day would have happened right now, back then. You know, so it's a testament to the will of the Palestinian people. It's a testament to the will of the access of resistance. And, you know, Palestine will be free. It's not a question of if anymore. It will. That's a fact. If we're going to talk about the Palestinian situation, we first need to be able to define the material occupational force that is the contradiction of Israel and its political ideology of Zionism. And we need to define it in its relationship or lack of relationship to Judaism, because a lot of the rest of the propaganda that we're seeing, which we've come to understand as a method of fascism, right, where people will shift the narrative to making this as if this is a fight, or not a fight, I guess, an attack on the Jewish religion, because that's what Judaism is, a religion. It's not a race. But people have posed the Holocaust, right, really turned this into, yeah, making it into an ethnic, I mean, they, based on their settler colonial practices turned into an ethnic group, right? But that seems to, that is here or there. My question being right, is Judaism Zionism, right? We have to, how would you define it? Well, there is no religious basis for a Zionist Israeli nation state. There is no religious basis in the Torah. There's plenty of rabbis of Orthodox Jews who follow the Torah and are opposed to Zionism, because they're nowhere in the Torah, does it say? You can set up a fascist, racist, ethno-state based off of the Torah, right? So from a religious perspective, it's completely forbidden based off of the Torah. At the same time, Zionism is a religious movement of Jews, right? A pseudo-religious movement, right? That's why I say pseudo, because it is not based off the Torah, but it is using the Torah. Not based off their religious texts, but manipulating their religious texts. It's manipulating religious texts for a political movement, but it also comes from certain theological misinterpretation, or using theology to put it into material reality of a nation-state of a genocide on a nation-state. So you did have rabbis early on play a role in terms of the early development of Zionism, right? But you also had people rejected, right? The opposite of that. That's what any kind of religious crusade, right? Whether you talk about the Catholic Church, and is it Pope Alexander and his decrees, right? That's more than that. Again, so it's a product of Europe. It's a product of Europe's problem. It's a product of European fascism and people being discriminated, but also, you know, Jewish people were discriminated in Europe. That is a fact, for sure, right? And at the same time, this movement came from that and then wanted to have a discrimination, a genocidal movement against Palestinians, right? So it isn't true to the Torah, but at the same time- But Zionism must be a push before the Holocaust. Yeah, oh yeah, exactly, right. It was a push before the Holocaust, right? But that was a product of discrimination of Jews in Europe, right? That's why I say it's a Europe problem, because Europeans, other white people, were discriminated against Jews. Just the people that confused what you said were like, okay, this is born out of the Holocaust, which I would say it grew like blue legs, but yeah. Right, so understanding that historical position, but I think people will say, oh, Zionism is secular. I'm like, no, it's not. It does use religion. It uses Judaism, right? It uses Jewish people to push it, right? It is really flagged. This also has certain implications of them wanting to cause a rapture. You know what I'm saying? But people will deny that reality under the name of quote, unquote, dialectical and historical materialism. You know, sometimes these atheists will just be like, oh no, this is just all about- This is strict political- No, this is- This is- You feel me? This is actually a pseudo Jewish movement to set up a so-called Jewish nation-state at the expense of Muslims, at the expense of Palestinians, at the expense of Arabs, at the expense of the African world as well. Yeah. It's a political, military, economic front for the West, right? Israel was created by these Pan-Europeans to benefit the interests of Pan-Europeanism, to benefit, at that time, the so-called British Empire. They needed a nation-state to be able to carry out the will of the British Empire, right? There's top dogs to imperialism, and then there's runts. One of them runs as Ukraine, right? But the top dog of imperialism at that time, when the so-called nation-state of Israel was created, was the British Empire. Now it has evolved into the United States of America, becoming this Pan-European top dog, right? And it uses the- And it's set up, and it is the material impact of it, right? The day-to-day operations to exploit Palestinians is to steal the resources, is to commit acts of genocide, and to advance the interests of this economic, military superstructure of Pan-Europeanism and NATO, right? That's what's going on right here. It's meant to contain West Asia to the interests of Europe, to the interests of Euro-America, right? It's meant to contain Africa, right? North Africa, East Africa, right? The African continent in different ways as well, right? Because of its geopolitical location, its geopolitical relevance, right? So it's a user's religion, and it has a religious element to it.  You feel me in doing their Talmudic rituals, right? So there's this religious element to it that can't be denied. I say pseudo again, but it's playing a role, right? I would say that, but Zionism has this no basis in the Torah. No basis, and there's a lot of Jewish people who are anti-Zionist, right? There's also Christians who are Zionist. Joe Biden's like, I'm a Zionist. He ain't Jewish, right? So you could also say some of these Arab nations, you know, and they leaders are Zionist. You talk about when a Saudi Yemen launches a missile in the Americans and then the Saudis take out the missiles. It's protecting Zionism. So it is a religious aspect, a religious element alongside the interests of Pan-Europeanism, right? The same way the Crusades, they're like, okay, there's economic interests that we have right now to protect the quote-unquote church, and they put a cross in front of it. So there was that element of it and that I think sometimes people don't want to discuss that. Yeah. The biggest takeaways I'm getting from this is Judaism is one of the world's oldest religions in Zionism. African. Yeah. We was watching a movie the other day. I was like, you ever heard of the African Jews, right? Is it African? It is one of the world's oldest religions, right? And Zionism is a political ideology and objective that was born out of the 19th century pushed by Theodore Herzl, right, which sought to establish a Eastern European Jewish settler colonial state. These are just the facts, and these are not our words. These are their words, right? Well, you talk about what you mentioned in our last episode, the Belfort Declaration, right, where Arthur Belfort, the bearded secretary of state, said that I will support the establishment of a Jewish settler colonial nation, right? Because if you look at in the 1900s, there is no free territory. The world is already spoken for. And in that time period, Western Europe is pretty much colonizing the entire world, right? So only way that the Jewish settler state can be produced is through coalition with the Western European world. That's just historical facts. And see, in present day, we're seeing the coalition of the Eastern European Jewish settler state and the Western European world. And I do want to state one last thing, because people might siphon through what you said and miss this key part. You did say, in fact, that there was persecution and oppression of Jewish people. You're not denying that, but what we can't do is frame Palestinian resistance against Eastern European Jewish settler colonialism, Zionism as an anti-Jewish movement. And so I want to ask you, what is the power behind framing this situation? Ask religious persecution? And also, why isn't this same, I guess, outlook being applied to all the Muslims that are being killed? The first thing is the Western world hates Muslims. The Western world hates Islam. Euro-Christianity hates Islam, right? Even if we look at the formation of the Zionist state of Israel, it was because they needed to contain the Ottoman Empire. Europe needed to contain the expansion of the Muslim world, the self-governance of the Muslim world, right? So we look at that as a historical fact that also plays a very significant role in this conflict, right? No, I won't even call it, it's not a conflict, it's a genocide, right? So if we look at that and then compare it from the media's use of the Holocaust, you turn on the news and you would think that it was the Muslims that was responsible for the Holocaust. You see the news compare Hamas to Nazi Germany, right? Like I said, Europe did this. Europe did this to Jewish people, right? It wasn't the Muslims who did it, right? The world stood up and fought for that. World War II happened to stop the Holocaust, right? And then what happens in turn is that no one could say anything in criticizing this nation-state of Israel that it was set up under a genocidal claim, a genocidal pseudo-religious claim to land that puts Europeans that were victims of the Holocaust and then takes them to another land and puts them in a land and says that they have the right to that land and then exterminate the people by any means necessary. Like what type of sick thing is that? That this terrible event happened in humanity. This terrible event happened in humanity. And then these pan-European powers said, okay, let's now use this to advance our interests. Let's put European Jews in Palestine and take this land over and commit ethnic cleansing and genocide against Palestinians, against Muslims. And then you can't discuss anything without being saying you're anti-Semitic, which, again, Palestinian people are Semitic people. Just not white Semitic, so I don't know. And let's be honest, these European Ashkenazis are not Semitic. Semitic refers to what? A group of languages. These are people from Europe who were speaking Polish and Russian. They aren't the original Semitic people from a historical basis. If you do the ancestry DNA test, what does that mean? So anti-Semitism has been formed into something that is specific towards Jewish people. And yes, there has been a specific oppression towards Jewish people. But if we talk about Semitism and anti-Semitism and Semitic people in general, as Africans who are Semitic people. It's Arabs who are people of the West Asian world with Semitic people. So what are we really talking about? What we have to understand is why you can't talk about it is because of the media. It's because the United States of America. It's because of the powers and the entities of Western imperialism. It's because of the war, the psychological aspect of this war. It's controlled in the media. This is war. CNN, MSNBC, Fox News, these are channels of war. These are channels that uplift the political, social, and economic goals of Israel and the United States of America. So we see the Zionist entity having deep control of the media and presenting it as objective facts. You literally have people going on these news channels talking about we are beheading... talking about Hamas is beheading children. You have the so-called president of the United States of America saying that Hamas is beheading children. You have people calling them savages, the Palestinian savages. You have these Zionists calling them terrorists. You have Zionists saying that they should be exterminated. We have literally an ethnic cleansing being called for in the media by CNN, by Fox News, by MSNBC. And who controls these entities? Zionists in your old America. And we also have to look at, in my opinion, how many Zionists are up in the United States of America's government. How many Zionists are up in the corporations. How many Zionists are actually in positions of power in this government. Like, let's look at it. Why is the CIA director? David Coleman. Blinken, Zionist. There's reports that Blinken is now becoming a part of the Israeli war cabinet. So what is a so-called... Okay, if we pretend for a second that we believe in America. Why would an American official, a high-ranking official in the United States government be joining the Israeli war cabinet? That's a whole other country. This is playing the exact role into this war and in terms of framing a narrative into creating a narrative that is justifying the genocide of Palestinian people. Right? And they collide. They get on there alive. The bombing of the hospital. They first admitted to it. Then they backtracked. And then they go on the media saying, No, we deny all... It's so insane how they can disrespect... Joe Biden could literally get on the... have a whole speech and say, I have seen photos of Hamas beheading children. I never really thought that I would see and have confirmed pictures of terrorists beheading children. And then the White House slowly backtracks that lie. Slowly backtracks it. But that lie has spread so much. Now, even though they backtrack it, the American public, the so-called American public, believe it. I mean, it's already resonated. It already resonated. It already grew legs. All they need to do is say it. And then they throw so much information at you, right? We were watching after the attack at the hospital. We were watching the... What would you call it? I guess the news, the conference that was held on it, and you had this Zionist, I believe it was... It wasn't Garland, but it was someone from the Israeli Defense Force. Garland is a director. Is the Attorney General of the United States of America? But some Israeli was up there, and he had all these diaphragms and shit, and it's like, you're not a viable source of information. Just two days ago, y'all was talking about Hamas did this, Hamas did that, and y'all backtracked on it. And we know, especially for us as new Africans, the history of United States intelligence agencies in these police institutions presenting false evidence at trials.  I can't take it as the truth. Period point point. But again, we recognize that the average person whose time is already spoken for, who spends an hour commuting to work and hour commuting from work, 10 to 12 hour work days, then has to go home and has about four hours to themselves. Do they really have the ability to sit here and research and siphon through all this information to locate the objective facts? Or do they have 20 minutes to sit online and let their consciousness be downloaded, which we'll get to a little bit later. But these are the questions we've got to start to ask ourselves. If you really research your government and look at these actors that are involved and who was doing what, it shows you that there is a Zionist control of this country. It's a fact. If we look at the Secretary of the Treasury, Janet Yellen, Zionist. The head honcho of the United States of America, Joe Biden, Zionist. The vice president of the United States of America, Kamala Harris, Zionist. Gavin Newsom, the governor of California, Zionist. This one to Israel. Merrick Garland, like you was talking about. Attorney General, Zionist. Alejandro Mayorakis, Secretary of Homeland Security, Zion. Director of National Intelligence, Zionist. White House Chief of Staff, Zionist. Anthony Blinken, Zionist. Wendy Sherman, Deputy Secretary of State, Zionist. Secretary of State of Political Affairs, Victoria Newman, Zionist. The Office of Science and Technology Policy, Eric Lander, Zionist. These are the people who have told you that they stand by the declaration of that the Jewish European, the Jewish Eastern European settler state should be established by any means possible. So if you don't agree with genocide, why would you listen to anything that these people say? Why? Unless you agree with that. This is just a short list. Yeah, this is just a very short list. A very high people. Very high people who run the government. Wendy, you're talking about the people who own the corporations, who own a good year, who own a dove, who own an apple, who own these different mining companies. We ain't talking about Elon Musk, Jeff Bezos, we're talking about these NFL team owners, these NBA team owners, these deans, right, of these universities, these board of directors of these different nonprofits. Oh, they run deep. We're talking about millions of people, bro. We're talking about our country, this country. We ain't even talking about the international. It makes you ask the question, who's running things right now? What assets does Zionist have in the United States of America? The Zionist influence in this country is deep. It's a lot of facts, right? But when you call out the Zionist influence, you're labeled a certain way. Like Kwame Trey said, how could I be... Well, Kwame Trey talked about being anti-Zionist. You know, I'm anti-Zionist. How could I be anti-Semitic when my people gave you the religion, Judaism, right? So we have to be very clear about what this is. Very clear. Because Zionism itself is anti-Semitic. Zionism itself does forced sterilization on Ethiopian Jews, on African Jews. Zionism has killed Iraqi Jews. Zionism, the IDF even beats Orthodox Jews in the Zionist state of Israel. What I want to tell you right now is that the last two NBA commissioners Adam Silver is the current commissioner. David Stern was his predecessor. These are two people, two Jewish Americans who support the state of Israel. Zionists. Again, Judaism is a religion. Zionism is a political objective.    So again, redefine Zionism. David Stern and Adam Silver, last two NBA commissioners who support Zionism. That makes very clear why LeBron James will tweet out what he tweets. Who's running things? So now, we got the facts. That's one thing we're trying to do is give people the facts, present them. You do your own research if you don't believe us and present them, you know what I'm saying? So what do these facts mean as it pertains to Western imperialism? When we started this outline, which was maybe a day or two ago, at that time, I believe, over 5,000 Palestinians have been killed since October 7th. Mostly women and children. Recently, the UN Security Council voted against a ceasefire, which I'm going to let you speak to speak about the ceasefire a little bit later. The UN Commissioner of Human Rights has a warning against ethnic cleansing. This is on the United Nations website, of the UN Office of the High Commissioner for Human Rights warned, and I quote, Palestinians are in grave danger of mass ethnic cleansing. This is coming from... This is not our words, this is their words. This is their international governing bodies that they created to protect the world and install peace, and peace and justice. This is what they're saying. This is a state package from the United States to Israel, including $3.7 billion for the State Department to strengthen Israel's military and enhance security at the U.S. Embassy. So all the money that's being funneled into Israel, the neglect for human life, the rejecting of the claims... I'm not even rejecting, I'm ignoring the claims from their international governing body of complicity and genocide. I think this is in addition to the removal of electricity, all the churches that have been bombed, the hospitals, right? I think this is a representation of the United States and Western imperialism really sticking to their philosophy that the world is a place that is ripe for their domination against the whole odds and by any means necessary. This is what the U.S. stands for, right? And I would say another fact based off these things is that the international world is once again being complicit in the genocide of Palestinians, right? Earlier in this episode and in the last episode we talked about the NAPCA, right? Which was 1947 to 1949 where you saw 100 Palestinians, 100,000 Palestinians killed, reportedly, right? We don't know the exact number. Reportedly 100,000 Palestinians killed and another 700,000 forced to relocate. And then you have the NEXA in 1967 where you have another I guess another, I think, like 300,000 Palestinians forced to, you know, find refuge. And so from 47 to 67, over a million people removed in this occupation of the West Bank and of Gaza, right? This is just, again, speaking to the atrocities and at some point the international world has to get real serious about its claims to wanting to see peace and harmony in the world and not letting Western imperialist powers essentially rape and pillage the world. Dictate the UN. You know what I'm saying? Dictate the international community. You spot on, bro, like one of my things that I mean it's basic common sense but I would say like it's time for new international institutions, right? Where you see the shift in power, right? Which is the first form of this, I guess, international governing body is what you would consider like the League of Nations, right? And then post-League of Nations, post-World War II you have the United Nations which is formed as a result of being in shambles in the United States presenting itself as the new top dog because what the world wasn't falling U.S. soil. And they came in at the end of the war when again, a lot of Western powers, European powers had lost a lot of infrastructure and a lot of human life, right? The United States is able to jump in on the bad wagon at the last minute and be presented as the savers based on their role on the ending of World War II, right? And so with that power the United States places this international governing body like the United Nations in New York. The United Nations, you feel me? Founded on genocide, a land founded on the enslavement of African people. And so we... Not a land that is free. Period. And so you said it we need new institutions that can actually serve as international bodies not these western fronts because that's all the United Nations is is a western front. That's all the World Bank is and the International Monetary Fund. These are western fronts that are designed to give Euro-America, western Europe its power and a monopoly and stronghold on international relations and lastly, I would say is actually time and it's time for people in their respective nations, which we'll get to in like solutions a little bit later, right? But it's time for people in their respective nations to get real serious about what they can contribute to justice. Right? We have to start asking ourselves questions because just like the United States is complicit based off of their these are our taxpayer dollars. You pay taxes? Show money. Jack Lean over there, pay taxes. I pay taxes. This is with that $3.7 billion going to. Even if you don't want to pay taxes everything you buy is taxed. You feel me? So we are complicit already based off of our economic participation which is unavoidable based off the monopoly that they've put on the world, right? But like what are you going to do to combat what I would consider that negativity you put down to the world? What are you going to do to combat that injustice you put into the world? And we're going to come with some solutions at the end but again we recognize here in the U.S. it's hard for us to get serious when what we bombarded with propaganda. What happened last night? Game one of the opening of the NBA season. Everyone goes to their TV. Who controls these networks? What's about the American Zionist superpowers? What's about to happen soon? The World Series. We are getting into the second quarter of the NFL football season. So you about to have the playoff race for the NFL. You're having the NBA start. The NBA now has a midseason tournament. You got all these movies coming out. The strike just ended in Hollywood. The western life is already so much about distraction that when we sit back and ask how did we let this happen? You were too busy watching TV. You were too busy getting drunk. You were too busy partying. These are the things we did. Not to be holier than thou. I'm just saying we got to start to question what we're going to do. We have to identify the problem. We're going to pose real solutions at the end. Again, if you ask me what the facts means, the facts means that the West is dedicated to world imperialism. The same world imperialism that it dedicated itself to in the 15th century, when Pope Alexander signed those decrees. The same western imperialism that the West was dedicated to when the Portuguese set foot on the African continent in the 15th century, when Christopher Columbus stepped foot on this continent and when the Berlin Conference happened of 1884 to 1885. This is just the same philosophy when the Belford Declaration happened when the United Nations partitioned Palestine into Israel and Palestine when the unjust state of Israel is officially declared in 1948. These are all born of the same history, the same philosophy which says Europe, European American nations will run the world, govern the world by any means necessary. We as people have got to ask ourselves, what are we going to do to combat it? That's a fact. Very simple. People were talking a bunch about bricks. My question is, what is Brazil doing? I can tell you what they do. They presented a ceasefire. I guess when the ceasefire was presented at first and you had a few countries abstain, and then you had the United States vetoed it. A few members of the permanent cabinet which was France, China, Russia, United States, UK, I think it was UK, France, of course the western imperialist powers vetoed it. A few days later, I think Brazil abstained from that vote. They were going to present a proposal the following a day or two later. They presented a proposal which didn't call for a ceasefire but calls for some type of gap pause in the armed conflict that would allow humanitarian aid to come through and China vetoed that because they said it was too weak. Why are you niggas playing? What's happening?  When I was going back like, vetoes abstaining, all these things what's really going on? We talked about Governor Nussan going to Israel and his next stop was to wear China. So what does that mean for China? How much interest does China have in Israel? So what is this economic thing, superstructure or bricks when Saudi is doing what is doing? Saudi was cooperating militarily with the Israelis and the Americans. So again, we got to be very critical very critical of the international terrain and like you said is people of the world rising up and that's what is happening I would say is you seeing the masses in a different way rise up in support of Palestine that has not happened to this degree historically. So even these rulers of these nations they might do what they're doing but ultimately if the people rise up and determine that they are tired of their governments allowing US military occupations of their land then bases will go. Then bases will go. But some of these reactionary rulers have been installed by the West and are controlled by the West and when the West says bark they bark. When the West says shoot down a missile they shoot down a missile. So we have to be very clear about the international terrain and call for the support and the freedom and independence of Palestine. So all oppressed people of the world that should be called free Palestine and work to hold wherever you are see how your government is complicit see how your government funds what's happening in Palestine the genocide works with normalizes with the so called state of Israel without question we've alluded to it throughout the episode right the role that media is playing and we've talked about the role that the media is playing in positioning the resistance or the conflict the Israeli and Palestinian conflict as a war against Jewish people we've talked about the role that media has played in that but what other downloads of Palestinians are you seeing in the west right and what would you consider the biggest influence as it pertains I guess how was this manifesting as it pertains to the analysis on Israeli occupation and Palestinian resistance I want to answer this question more so from people who I think have good intentions but are falling victims to the liberal aspect of what's going on so these are people who might say free Palestine and support Palestinians but are still victims of containment strategies victims of psychological warfare being waged on the internet on the Zionist controlled social media apps one thing that I've been seeing a lot in terms of what's happening in terms of the war now is that people are saying demand a ceasefire some of these people are very well intentioned in their calls for a ceasefire but we have to ask ourselves where is this call coming from and who is making that call you know what I'm saying because if the Palestinian resistance isn't making the call for a ceasefire why are you calling for the ceasefire that's just a basic thing if the joint operations room of the Palestinian resistance has not asked and made a very public call for a ceasefire why are you doing that on the internet what would you say to people who say what about the Palestinian I haven't seen it but what about the Palestinian people who are out there saying they have no water no electricity which is very real what about that then demand an open corridor to allow humanitarian aid the two things don't have to be synonymous we have to be very specific with our language because if Israel of the Palestinian resistance and the militant resistance that is happening hasn't called for that yet that means they think they are in a strategic position at this point to where it is not needed now as humanitarian aid needed but if the resistance factions have not called for a ceasefire then why are you calling for humanitarian aid what you should do is say end US support of Israel that's a real thing because the ceasefire is going to do what this again has been a historic operation in the millions of military aid the change is real so I've seen that as a part of a containment strategy in terms of liberalizing is calling for this ceasefire and a lot of this I would say comes from celebrities celebrities putting things out for some reason any time a celebrity speaks out they just want representation they feel so good because a celebrity says something and you don't actually question what that celebrity is saying all these so called demands when did the joint operations room release demands and when did they make an infographic to post it on instagram you feel me and you're saying these are the demands of the people from Gaza this is what happens when you deal with the people who don't really understand the future this is what I mean we have to have what I would say is media literacy we have to understand and really a social media literacy you know what I'm saying so for me when I'm seeing some of these things I would say I have a ability to siphon through what's real to some degree and what's fake right okay if these demands are coming out who wrote the demands what organization is under okay who what is this organization where is it located and now how are they the ones saying that the demands were made because the resistance factions the joint operations room when they release something it's very clear when it's released by them usually written in Arabic and it's written in English it starts with a very specific way of speaking you know what I'm saying it goes through channels you can vet that information versus this infographic that's using your favorite celebrity post right so it's being critical of what is being said even if we perceive it initially to be good perceive it initially to be a part of the Palestinian resistance of supporting and fighting for Palestinian rights right because a ceasefire in many ways if they're not calling for it you can also be delegitimizing the middle-term resistance that the Palestinians is waging you know I'm saying that the axis of resistance it could be a method of ostracizing it could be a method of saying okay you're still kind of buying into these tropes of these violent Islamic terrorists right oh they need to be a ceasefire oh it's this both sides oh Hamas is this right but again that's where we were talking about earlier how these little lies are being said it's like oh people still might have that in their subconsciousness so I call a ceasefire right I could say yeah violence is terrible war is terrible but they're not asking for that right the death is terrible right especially in the way it is happening but they die regardless might as well die on your feet so if there's this historic resistance that's happening who are we to say when and if and when they want it right they when they make that exactly a savior complex it's all I want because you want your life to go back to normal basically you basically you basically want to go on Instagram and be able to say whatever you want you want to be able to do that and feel not judged you want this thing sense of normalcy without actually having a real investment into what's happening right now you know I'm saying so I think it's just being very critical being very critical is super important right and I would say there's certain narratives that are being pushed that are also very damaging as well I would say this narrative especially as it comes to like gender and men a lot of times you're hearing people on social media just say oh like the women and children of Palestine or the women and children it's like what about the men that is dying what about the men that is facing the same genocide that women and children you feel me what about the men on the front lines you know I'm saying waging this war so it's kind of this psychological aspect that like you only care because they're framing it as women and children like that's a certain certain aspect that is just completely buying into these again these tropes of a Muslim man these tropes of a Muslim freedom fighter you know I'm saying being this violent type of person rather than being seen as a freedom fighter sacrificial lamb you know I'm saying okay these men you know I'm saying this is what they're doing you know I'm saying there's a consciousness on the left that is being downloaded that is still playing into these very liberal capitalist understandings of what is going on you know and that's just I mean doesn't it make sense though when we're dealing with a I will let us hypothetically you're dealing with the room across the globe of the world smartest people who literally understand how the mind works who have an in-depth understanding of media sociology right the way that people relate to media in the way that that media influences people's interactions and relationships I only read of the FBI we're on Tupac Shakur we talked about white malice where they were doing these you know MK Ultra where people are literally studying the mind like you don't these people understand how our brains work more than we do you don't know it sounds conspiracy theories but like all these articles that come out about the FBI and the CIA and their integration into social media networks like Twitter what they come out and tell you that's why I say it's so disrespectful because they do it directly in front of your face and you still question it yeah as well another thing that I've been seeing as well is these people trying to say they want the genocide stopping to stop the Israeli regime from occupying the land of Palestinians but at the same time they be from the western keyboards from the western chairs be saying that you know a certain organization should release hostages talking about Palestinian resistance needs to release American hostages talking about Palestinian resistance needs to release Israeli hostages it's like this evil of Hamas and we need to save the hostages but these are again these people are settlers these people are settlers and these people that were you telling these people to leave beforehand they have ample opportunity to leave so many people are in their 40s released to grandmothers they've been there for that long how many Palestinian lives do they watch suffer on the return marches on Fridays and shit where is this energy at the end because this could have been avoided these people have actual homes they have nations they can go back to in Eastern Europe matter of fact they have strong ties to here a lot of them is from America that's why America said okay israelis you can just come in you don't even need a visa you got IDF soldiers on there with a pure American accent you know what I'm saying so I think these western people need to stop fixing their lips and telling the access of resistance what to do rather than supporting what the access of resistance is doing y'all claim to love democracy Hamas was voted in they was democratically elected to govern Gaza every faction of resistance from the marches, by millions of people by millions of Palestinians Hamas was voted in these are facts all the factions are united a democratic election elected by the Palestinians and now they're only seen as a terrorist group not a government so let's be real that's the typical American chauvinism thinking you know better support what the access of resistance is asking for support the Palestinian resistance why don't you say why don't you say free all the Palestinian political prisoners and prisoners of war why aren't you calling for the freedom of all new African political prisoners and prisoners of war here inside the belly of the beast but you're fixing your lips to talk about Hamas you're fixing your lips talking about we need to do this for humanitarian reasons what are you talking about first and foremost look at how Hamas has actually tried to release people that were taken captive settlers that were taken captive look at how they have tried to release them but the Zionists don't even care about their own people you feel me you see the video of the 85 year old woman she shakes one of Hamas's hands said thank you and then she was asked about it so yeah they treated me humanely so again this is why Israel's Zionist regime is in such a crisis they're losing the public media war their own people are saying Israel didn't do nothing IDF didn't do nothing the IF was hiding behind us so all these claims that these Israelis be making is actually the things they're doing they're the ones killing thousands of children they're the ones who are killing their own people they're the ones who are beheading babies they're the ones that are bombing hospitals but in typical Zionist form and typical trickery they like to blame the person they're doing it to and then they use the media that's the MO of these Zionists this is the satanic evil element of these Zionists so I think we've given a good episode so far in terms of giving a historical analysis of the situation that is going on and I think one thing we see a lot of is people rightfully so being in the streets talking about the freedom for Palestine that must happen that must happen and we must show our solidarity in the streets but what is that process so what can we as an organization do as a community do to support the Palestinians fight against the unjust western several colonial state of Israel I would say the only thing that's missing and which is a key element is delivering an economic blow to the western imperialist powers the ultimate like you named earlier in the episode all of this comes down to international finance capital the ability to make money all across the world the ability to control and dictate markets all across the world that's what this comes down to in addition to the world Islam in my personal opinion the historical role of the war of a Euro-Americans fight against Islam that's my personal opinion in addition to the need to establish and control international finance capital historical facts so this is what I would say is needed we need to deliver that effective economic blow because how do Saturday and how do weekend protests and a lot of these protests been going on daily but how is this really interrupting the ability for these corporations and these institutions to make money it really isn't I think we maybe spoke about this on the last episode but I know we spoke about it in Khajul where it's like not to the same scale but even if we use the civil rights movement for example in the Alabama bus boycotts it was a lot of black workers who were catching that bus and when they stopped catching the bus it cost the state money and there is the BDS movement about a boycott divested sanction do you talk a little more about what you mean where I run the economic and furthering upon that we need to deliver an economic blow to where it's not just I think this in collaboration with the mass discontent the shows of solidarity across different ethnic and national groups to philosophically morally stand against the unjust occupation in several colonial states of Israel in collaboration with not listening to the Zionist music they making money off of us every day we listen to iTunes Zionists make money off of that they making money off of us every day we stream in Netflix we stream in Amazon we stream in Prime they making money off of this they making money when we go into their grocery stores you go to the protest and you leave and then you contribute financially to the money that will ultimately go on into being these A packages and I think we're a ways from that just because of the lack of organization if you look at some of the anti-war movements of like Vietnam for example think about how many organizations were birthed or in that time period how many organizations were able to lead in I would say direct that revolutionary favor from the protest to some type of program George Jackson talks about that and Soledad brother so I personally think we're just a ways from that based off the lack of organization but you know I do think I see what's going on as a pivotal moment I think organizations that should take advantage of this raise in consciousness and funneling into direct programming if not we'll get the same situation where the genocide will continue we'll be able to see what we saw from 2020 to 2023 where you have mass protests and calls for defunding police and what has happened every year the pigs have killed more people who about to watch cop city be built in the midst of a coming off of a defund police movement right we talk about cop city the cop I guess like the smaller cop city the cop city communal that's being built in San Pablo right these are a byproduct of organizations the lack of properly organized people being able to take advantage of revolutionary forever and direct these people to very tangible things and so I think a big part of this is community education if you look at any liberation project whether it be a communal or national scale is being able to properly educate the people on historical development and the contemporary manifestations of that historical phenomena and then being able to make sense of it and define it and realize the role that they play in establishing it and the role that they can play in delegitimizing it and ultimately eradicating it so we need community education in Palestine especially with all like you alluded to all the misinformation that's being out there which is why we'll be doing community learning next week right it's part of that dialectic that part of that process that scientific process that community learning in collaboration with the programs that will be held that week and the days to follow and I don't think we need to have like that what they call like a Fabian approach where you know they like I think it's a lot what liberals do, neoliberals do take time and take time but we do need to be committed to protract the struggle there are things we can do right away in terms of educating and programs that actually meet the people needs so that we can have a material base to deliver economic blow to where I can tell you look at well let's say Israeli ship is not being docked in Oakland Kaiser workers do not go to work today we shut this hospital down but and if you need help community if you need help come to people's programs mobile health clinic or come to people's programs warehouse so whatever we got doctors there from Kaiser that's going to be supplying y'all you feel me teachers one school don't go to school today parents the teachers from this school and the parents from this school don't go to work students don't go to don't go to class we got these different communities and as we partner with y'all come here right these are like actual tangible ways that disrupt the economics and the ecosystems of nations of cities right especially us in California if we can start to really dismantle that this is how Gavin Newsom how the hell he gonna go to Israel you feel me like this is the type of economic and material blow we have to we have to deliver because if not you know I would say imperialism you talked about talked about being an octopus right now these different tentacles and I also say that imperialism has the ability to like regenerate and self heal itself you feel me like if you stab it one place it's going shit it's going to heal itself up right stab it again heal itself up and so we need to be able to really deliver that blow where you can do what you always allude to and what George Jackson alludes to and like cut it off at his head and I believe that an economic blow is essential to cutting off at his head and true economic blows can't happen without mass organization so it would be nice to see where some of these unions and I don't know what some of these unions and shit is doing right now I can't you know but like you said I didn't do more research on that but like you said like if a boat couldn't dock here if people wasn't going to school if we shut down a department at Kaiser Radiology Department but you can still get your X right here so they ain't making any money but people still getting the services these are like we tied to the 13th amendment that's keeping people enslaved through the prison industrial complex the prison industrial complex that is forcing people who was locked up to make goods for the military like these corporations that are supplying weapons to Israel right we need to have that mass blow and organize around those tangible things and have revolutionary organizations that is committed to that first word revolution not reform right because they ain't no reform in Israel it's one Palestine right so ultimately we got to build these programs in the community to be a vessel to be a offensive vessel for decolonization to mobilize the people around concrete tangible objectives you feel me and show people that we can win because what I recognize as some of these protests there are I would say like clusters of organizations right but like we won't be as strong until we're all together like there's not a single organization that's just bringing all the people out right like we need coalition building to actually have a real impact on what's going on if not you just keep getting kind of this like I would have kin it's like anarchy where you have all these different folks coming in with their kind of own objectives and until you bind it by an ideology which we all claim to be like anti-capitalist anti-imperialist ideology and you got to have an actual program to it like what what has happened post like what groups that we've worked with post your speech I don't know what groups these programs I don't know what programs these groups have but like I don't know what programs we have to where like these people can actually come and talk to whole projects that we deal with whole schools that we deal with you know what I'm saying but the imperialist show us all they do is click up all they do is sit down at the round table and break bread and figure out who's going to get the concession here they align on things and we need to follow the formula because it works that's just my opinion based on you know history for the people for your land for your political prisoners for your prisoners of war for your new african political prisoners of war for your palestinian political prisoners of war for your land