Hi, this is Debbie Daschinger, welcome to Dare to Dream. And just feeling like the shift this morning, I was interviewed on a national radio show, and here I am interviewing somebody else. And one of the questions that I was asked is, you know, 12 years doing this, why? And it's a good reflective thought because the why is I have grown so much from doing the show, have been so fortunate, the people who have said yes to be guests, and come here with the issues that they had to get where they are today and be so transparent, as well as the gifts that they came to share with us, that they are so willing to risk pulling back the curtain and saying, here, this is the message I came to deliver. This is what I had to go through to deliver it to you. And I love that, because I learned so much from people about what's possible and how big we can go and how transformational we can be. So just to speak of the ability, I'm about to unleash unto the world the revamped program that I've done, which today is gonna be called the Ultimate Visibility Program. It's opening this week. I'm so excited by who's in the class. If you wanna know how to be interviewed on radio and podcast, and book yourself on shows within 60 days, even if you don't have a list of the podcast shows or have any prior publicity knowledge, I'm gonna get you there in six weeks. You can go to debbyd.net slash visibility at debbid.net slash visibility and learn more there. And the thought for today is really about changing our personal reality. It's really where I'm sitting right now, because starting place for transforming reality is us, right? It's not an impersonal experience. It's not a concept. It is personal, actually. How we see it, how we relate to it. It's a product of our unique history, of our attitudes, of our beliefs, because we are unique, how we see the world and the reality we choose to experience. So the core of our awareness really is the source of our beliefs, our feelings, our attitudes. And that's the place from which we can go forth and change our personal reality. Inner awareness. That's the ever-present field of possibilities. So we always have possibility. We always have choice. What are you gonna choose at any moment? What are you gonna choose right now? Gratitude, gratitude is a practice that brings us grace. Gratitude empowers us choices to see the opportunities that are actually here already. However, it gives us fresh eyes. Remember, your personal reality begins within you. My thankful heart will find in every moment some heavenly blessings, is a quote from Henry Ward Beecher. Today, I have the great honor to have Daniel Gutierrez here. It's actually his second time on the show, but it's been forever. So this is gonna be a major catch-up even though he and I know each other is outside of the show.  He was featured in the documentary, Luminous World Views, as one of the world-renowned thought leaders. He's appeared at Carnegie Hall in New York City to a sold-out crowd. Bestselling author, recently released his fifth book, Radical Mindfulness. And this is a man who has stepped into leading people. On spiritual retreats to Machu Picchu, the Amazon, the top of the Himalayas, and he guides entrepreneurs and corporate executives in deep dive mindfulness immersions. You can find out more about one of these top 100 Hispanic in America gentlemen, Daniel Gutierrez, at his website, DanielGutierrez.com. Daniel, welcome back to Dare to Dream. So excited to be back. It's been a while, right? A few years? Yes, sir. It had been on air for 12, so I'm assuming it's probably been seven or eight years. Five to eight years, yeah, wow. So I'm not going to dare to ask you to recap the eight years, but I know, right? That would be great, great.  You know what, honestly, even the way you're dressed right now, because you would have come once upon a time on the corporate attire. The suit is fine, the whole thing, yeah. You are being you right now. Yeah. So let's start there, like what is the discovery that you made that took you from where you were operating, which was fine for the time? Sure. It took you through a journey to have more willingness to show yourself to the world, to be yourself out in the world. Yeah, well, you know, one of those moments where I had this kind of this well, for lack of better terms, like an awakening, like I was in a restaurant, a posh membership-only restaurant in New York City, in Manhattan, on Fifth Avenue, and I remember sitting there in this big leather chair and my custom-made suit and outsharpings to the left of me and the football players to the right of me. I'm thinking I am the shit, right? I'm just like, I have arrived, people. And I'm sitting there looking out the window and it's snowing, these big, like toilet paper sized snowflakes.  And then in a second, like I hear this voice and it says, who are you? And what values did you sell to be who you are today? And it was like, what? I can't even enjoy my $250 shot of cognac without some voice in my head going, who are you? And it really shocked me, Debbie, it shocked me because for all practical purposes where I was at was successful. Or the fact that I was in that restaurant and a private restaurant, at the time I was president of a huge organization in New York City, I was an advisor to the Department of White House personnel, my speaking career was doing absolutely wonderful, had no reason to have a question like that pop up. But the truth is, as I look back, I was miserable. I was miserable, yeah. I mean, flying to New York, I mean, people think they're flying to New York from LA sexy, I would take an overnight flight, get to New York at six in the morning, and I would start my meetings at eight o'clock in the morning, they would go all the way to midnight. And sometimes because I was just, I thought it was crazy to get a hotel room for three hours before I took my flight home, I would go sleep at the airport at JFK on the bench. Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha. Right, and so I really was going, wow. So now what do I do? I get this question in my head. And so to go back a little bit, because some people don't know me, at the age of 17, I was a licensed Baptist minister. And so that's where that came from because the question was, what happened to Danny Boy? What happened to that kid back then, right? What happened to that?  It's just that it was like, what did I have to do to get there? And you know what?  If you're in leadership and top leadership, sometimes you got to look the other way to keep your position. Sometimes you have to do things you don't like doing. And I did that. And I would just like, I didn't see nothing. So tell me when you say sometimes you have to do things you don't like doing, compelling, what did you have to do? I think the way people were treated, the way people were discarded, the way that people were stepped on careers that were ruined just to get ahead. It was ridiculous. And I'm just being straight up honest. I mean, we do that. I did that, you know? And I would say, well, you know what? Do my lawyers take them down? If that's what he wants to play, then take them out. Then go for it. Well, I don't mean like kill them. I mean, like take his career. I know. I was just like, whoa, dude. No, I don't mean that.  It was brutal. And you know what? That's the world we live in. It's a doggy dog world, right? You know? And I wasn't proud of that, but it was the part of the game. You know, to be in that kind of power, to be in that kind of that level of success where you're really calling shots. And you know, my constituents were PepsiCo. My constituents were big companies that I was president of.  And that's the part I didn't like. I didn't like that at all because I didn't feel that way on the inside. And so in that moment when I'm all of a sudden getting this, getting this, who are you? I didn't know. So that, Debbie, led me on a quest to the Himalayans. That led me on the quest to the Amazon. That led me to a quest to the Andes. You know, to ask these indigenous people, what is life a little about? Because they don't have anything, nothing. And yet they were happy. They had joy in their heart. And I wanted that joy. I wanted that joy. And so I went, I sought it out.   Remember, I used to have hair. You know, I shaved my head in respect for the Buddhist monks, you know? And I never shaved it back. You know, I never grew it back. But, but, yeah. So what was the turning point for you? What was the pivot point? So these are very powerful questions that you're asked when you're in this posh place, and it actually stops you from enjoying your cognac and all these celebs around you. And suddenly it's saying, hey, take a look, buddy. Who have you become? Where are your values? And then there's this other voice reflecting back to the young teenage you who's a minister saying, what happened to Danny Boy?  And what was the moment where something got awakened in you that allowed you to feel reconnected with your essence? Well, you know what? And I struggled with giving the real answer. I struggled with giving the real answer even in my book because I left out a chapter because I was afraid to tell people the truth. What woke me up? What got me to see what was there? And so I'm gonna share that because I think it's important. I was in Peru in the mountains, in front of the Patra to Sun Mountains in the Andes and I was offered plant medicine.  You know, I had to put it that way, but I was like, what? I don't do drugs. I'm not doing this. You're crazy. You're out of your mind. I'm never gonna do that. And no, no, no, no. And then I don't know what happened, but I guess it convinced me because eventually I said, okay, what have I got to lose? What have I got to lose? I'm in Peru. What happens in Peru stays in Peru, right? So I said, sure, sure. And Debbie, I couldn't even tell the story of my life from that moment, from that place being in the chair in that restaurant without being honest about my opening, my awakening to the truth, because it was plant medicine that opened my eyes. It was that veil that was removed that, like I was like, who am I? So I asked the question, who am I? Where have I been? Who have I been? And when have I been that? Show me the truth. I wanna know. And in that moment, in that experience, wow, for those eight or nine hours that I was just being taught, like the book of life was opened up to me and the lifetimes of being a medicine man and a heart teacher and the different indigenous groups, they showed, I saw it all. I saw it all. And they were like, you came into this lifetime with that. That's why you're troubled because you're not living your truth and you need to live your truth if you really wanna be happy and the money will follow. Don't worry, don't worry about that. Trust your wisdom was the message. Trust your wisdom.  What a tragedy if you don't live that. You have a way, what a waste if you don't live that. Yeah, and what a tragedy if you also don't give that, right? If you have that kind of knowledge within your wisdom. And that changed my life, Debbie. Oh my gosh. That was the pivot point where I went, I remember coming out of this, whatever you wanna call it, fog and going, now what? Yeah, so what? Now what? Exactly. Yeah, now what? Now I have this, now I know. It's not like I don't know. Sitting in that posh restaurant, I didn't know. Now I know. And I'm going, okay, then that's what I'll do. That's what I'll do. I'll come back. And so after many years of traveling and visiting indigenous cultures and studying and doing plant medicine and really learning to understand my gifts, you know, there was another pivot point and that was when I got a call from my sister that said, you need to come home. Because there was a point where I didn't wake up from all this travel and go, oh my God, why did I do this? Why did I walk away from this career? Why did I walk away from my income? Why did I walk away from the White House? Why did I walk away from presidency?  That's what's going through my head. I'm in the Andes going, oh, you know, right? I'm like, what did I do? And then I got the call from my sister that said, you need to come home. You need to come home. And everything Debbie made sense to me when I got a chance to be with my mother. She was dying and I remember flying to Dallas and I told my siblings who had been taking care of her, go home, let me spend time with her alone. I'll stay here tonight and I'll take care of her. Go home and rest and let me be with her. And I remember at two o'clock in the morning, I'm sitting there looking at her and I can't sleep because I'm afraid she'd die, all these machines on her and stuff. And I'm just like looking at her and then I got the answer to that question, why? I was sitting there looking at her and I remembered what the monks taught me in the Himalayas and I remember what the Maestros taught me in the Amazon and I remember what the Pachos and the Kiro were teaching me in the Andes and they said, Daniel, be present. Be present to life, be present, so present that nothing can enter your mind but the present moment and know that and all of a sudden because I was sitting there looking at my mother going, what a horrible son. You weren't around, you never came to visit very often, you know all the humanistic stuff was coming up and you know and in that little boy in me it was going, I'm losing my mom. I'd lost my father when I was five so now I'm losing my mom. I'm like, you know, pour me, pour me, right? And then I'm looking at her and all of a sudden I remember all these lessons and then I got present, very, very present and I'm looking at her all of a sudden in my body. It was like I could feel the pain of her struggle. I could feel her lungs failing in my own body. I could feel her liver failing in my own body and before I knew it, I looked over at her and I went, I was like shocked because I was like, where did she go? All of a sudden there was just a light, just a light, that's all. And I was like, what? And then I looked at my hands and I wasn't there, it was just a light. I was both just two spirits and I looked at her and she said to me, this is the why. She said to me, many lifetimes before we entered into this human form, you made me a promise. You promised me when I needed you most, you would be here and you're here. I release you from your contract. Thank you. I was bawling, I was bawling. I was like, how can this be happening? All my life, Deb, from that moment where I was having that cognac from being a minister, all my life was so that I could be present in that moment. All of the traveling, all of the understanding, the medicine, everything that I had done was so I could experience that moment in that time. And I knew why I had done what I had done and I knew why I needed to be there for my mom at that moment so that she could say, that spirit could say, well done, well done, right? And that's where the word radical came from and the book came from, radical mindfulness because it takes the practice of mindfulness in that moment to really stay present enough to experience that. I could have been stuck in my ego or all this other stuff and I wasn't.  Thank goodness I was able to experience that kind of connection with another spirit, with another human, you know? And so that's what brings me today to the book. It's like, oh, I had to tell a story. And Debby, I had a deal with Ed Cartoli's agent. He signed me the year before, two years before.  And I was writing a book called Dancing in the Chaos.  But I was doing it. I came back from that, my mom's experience and I fired him. I fired him, he was like blown away. He said, you're making a big mistake. I said, no, no, I'm writing this book for money and I can't write for money. I have to write for my heart. And I'm gonna write another book and it's not gonna have nothing to do with you.  That's how that book came out. Maybe someday I'll go back and say, hey, okay, I'll write that book now. But that's what changed my life. And that's changed my life. That changed who I was at my physiology, my physics, everything about me changed. Because I realized, okay, like they were, like the prime medicine was teaching me. Trust your wisdom. And like you said, and give it away. Give it away, teach people. Teach people that you can be powerful without being cruel. You can be powerful without ruining careers. You can be powerful without stepping on people. Try loving people, right? And I'm still doing great things. I'm working with NBC right now. I mean, I'm still doing great. Been on Carnegie Hall just last year. So it's a great thing that's still happening but you know what? I get to do it from love. Totally. I get to do it from love. And I don't do it because I have to. I do it because it changes me. It changes me to do that. And you've even been doing work with my brother. I mean, I wasn't even thinking about this. I sometimes, it's sometimes so weird. Like how you and I know each other and then you become family with my family at this point. And so you've been doing work with my brother and his wife, my best friend. Because they have something called live calm with cancer.  Really powerful meditations for cancer patients and doctors and caretakers. And you've been coming in and doing the Spanish version of Spanish meditations. Another way you're giving and gifting back to the world. How has that been going? Oh my gosh, your brother is so talented as a producer. I mean, I mean, what he did, we recently did a video. We changed our strategy just a little bit. I said to him, if grandma's in the hospital, grandma doesn't understand English probably. And if the granddaughters there with her, she doesn't understand Spanish. So let's do both. Let me do both. Let me speak English and Spanish at the same time. And then they both can enjoy it together. And so we started doing the bilingual version. It's not Spanglish, right? It's actually one version in Spanish, one version in English. No, I literally would say, you know, close your eyes. I mean, at the same time, I'm speaking both languages so that both can enjoy it. So that the young generation can be with grandma and grandma can get the benefit of the meditation. And so your brother, I played the Indianian flute and he was like, bring your flute. The first time I didn't bring it.  I said, because I'm not doing that. So the second time I did bring it in the studio and wow, he's magical and there's this one video where I literally, I didn't know because I don't know production, right? I go in there and I go, how do I play the flute and do this throughout at the same time? I don't understand. I can't hold all these instruments at the same time. He's like, you both don't do that. I go, how do you do that? He goes, well, just put the headphones on, do one track at a time. I said, oh, so we got this beautiful piece that of me speaking, playing, the tambourine, everything. It's so beautiful. And I was in tears when he sent it to me because I was like, David, what a gift. What a gift to be able to use all my talents at one time and to give that way. And I'm so happy to give that way. And for him to be able to take it and make it magic and have, that's what the medicine was telling me. Trust your wisdom, trust your gifts. Like we all have them. Let your string out on your kite a little bit and trust that those talents are there for a reason. And David was able to bring them all out at one time. And it was beautiful. I don't know if you've seen the video. It's amazing. It's an amazing piece, you know? I can't wait. Oh my goodness. Thank you for sharing that. And I think it's phenomenal to hear this piece because what I know is when you're called, euphemistically, you, I, when we're called, right? That we don't know what places of discomfort we're gonna be asked to try. Right, right. And often it's things we've been doing throughout our lives and didn't think we were gonna revisit. It's happened to me where I've been asked out of nowhere somebody's found out, I say I used to be a singer because I was a professional singer until 11 years ago and made other media choices. When people, only people from my past know me as such.  And they'll say sing, which for someone who has not used that muscle for 11 years is kind of like, but I'm being called. And I understand it's an opportunity and I just have to get out of the way and let it flow, right? And I love the fact that you're just following the next yes, following the energy, allowing the opportunity and the shift is happening. Yes.   And even more touching than the product is the people that get to benefit from that, you know, the loving meditations, that's what it's called, loving meditations, you know? It's beautiful. And I don't know, maybe I would have done that before. I don't think I would have had time. Not that I didn't have time, I wouldn't have considered making time to serve that way. And I gladly do it, I gladly do it because that's what we're supposed to do, like your voice, you know, we, I had no idea he was gonna ask me to do that. And I was very shy because I was like, I've never been recorded before, right? And now I'm like, wow, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you. I get to do that. And if people get to benefit from that. Cool, so loving meditations, folks. David Daschinger, same last name, D-A-C-I-N-G-E-R, Tamar Green, his wife, and Daniel Gutierrez. Check it out for sure. Well, when we come back, we're gonna be talking about sacred journeys and finding out all about the healing ventures that are possible. You're listening to Dare to Dream Radio and Podcast first. I wanna thank so much the sponsor of this show, Dr. Dean Heer, H-E-E-R, and Access Consciousness. 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And for the show to flourish and be sustainable best quality transformational guests for $1 on up, you can make a difference for Dare to Dream because we are the number one transformation conversation available today. And if you're just tuning in, this is Debbie Daschinger on Dare to Dream and I'm interviewing Daniel Gutierrez. You can go to his name. That's his website, danielgutierrez.com. So, oh, well, that was clearly the universe going. Hell yes, it's okay. I'm a puppy here too. It happened. So, sacred journeys. You were on your own personal sacred journey. How did this become a venture that you started sharing out in the world and offering to people to come with you on? In the beginning it was kind of an accident, honestly. I just said one day I'm going to Peru and anybody wanna go. I was joking. I was just joking on social media.  And all of a sudden it was like, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But more importantly, I think it's important. I'm going to Bhutan in a couple of weeks. You know, I've been to Nepal. Just in a couple of months, I'll be opening up a center in Peru. Why Bhutan? How do you decide these places? They decide for me. So the story behind Bhutan is that I was a huge follower of Anthony Bourdain. And when he passed away, I was devastated. Me too. He was such a kind soul. And I understood his pain too. So it was devastating to me. So I remember flipping through the channels and I said, Anthony Bourdain's last show. And so I was like, oh, I'm gonna watch it. It was Bhutan. And I'm watching and I said, well, that's where the eagles nest is. The eagles nest is in Bhutan. I've always wanted to go to the eagles nest. It's a big monastery that hangs off the mountain. It's always in movies. It's a beautiful place. And I'm watching his show and it's crazy as he is. I mean, I'm laughing because he was just like nuts. He was just him. That's why I loved him, because he was him. And I'm watching the show and something says, you should go to Bhutan. You need to go do what he did. You need to go his same steps.  Yeah, eat like hell, yeah, yeah.  But anyway, so that was a thought. Not even a week later, Debbie, I get a call from a friend. He says, I have a friend that wants to meet you. He's a film producer. I said, you know, Debbie, we get all kinds of requests. And I'm like, no, thank you. I appreciate it. And he kept at it. So finally one day just to shut him up, I said, fine, I'll talk to this guy. So I get him on Skype. Lo and behold, he says, do you want to go to Bhutan? I said, what?  He says, well, I'm a friend of the Prince. I ride bikes with him every year. And if you want to come, then I'll have him extend an invitation for you. So I said, well, yeah, I'd love to. And so I said, well, I'll just come by myself. He said, well, you know, the Bhutan is really looking for business people to come and to look at possible investments and stuff. I said, okay, I'll bring some people. So I have four people going with me and we're going to Bhutan. That's how that came about. It's like, it chose me. I didn't choose it. I mean, what are the chances out of the blues, some guy who knows the Prince says, hey, you want to go to Bhutan? This is right after watching Anthony Bernay's show. So in a few weeks, I'll be there. We treat like royalty. We're staying in one of the Royal family homes. You know, I mean, then you can't make this stuff up, man.  And I love the idea of the constant surprise and deliciousness of it. So I'm curious when people go on these trips to you, to Peru and so forth, what is that experience? Would you take them to particular places? You have teachings or are they free to travel in Rome about the cabin? How does that work? Well, I have like an itinerary that's very fluid because people need something. They need to know what are we doing, where are we going, what hotel we staying in, blah, blah, blah. So most of my trips are to Peru. And the Andes have an energy about them that are magical. I don't have to do anything. Now, I'm a teacher, so they know that I'm teaching. But I back off and let the mountains and the land speak for itself. And people, some do medicine, some do not. They come, they have a reason to be there. The first day I asked them, we flat out, we're all seekers of something, what are you seeking? Why are you here? This is not a vacation. Why are you here? How did you get here? What did you have to do to get here? And what do you expect to get out of it besides the touristy machu Picchu? What else is here for you? Open your eyes, open your heart, and see what is here for you beyond the experience of going to Machu Picchu, which is why people go there, right? And so, I probably have been to Machu Picchu 30, 40 times. I mean, to me it's just, I love, every time I go, every time I go, it's magical, every time. Doesn't matter, it's magical. And so, I'm so happy to announce, this is the first show I've announced that I bought my own place now. I have my own center right outside of Pizac, right in the middle of the Sacred Valley. It's so beautiful, two mountains on the east side, and now what we're gonna do is I'm gonna bring people to the center, and they won't have to go move in hotels like we did before, we used to move hotels all the time. They're gonna be, I call it my home. It's named after my mother, Catalina. And I'm so excited that this summer is gonna be the first time I bring a group to my home. It happens to sleep 50, it's a big house.  It's got all this, it's like, it's four extra. Like you own the whole thing or you're sharing it? No, no, no, I own it, I own it. Yeah, it's my home. So how are you populating it? How are you getting people in to run the restaurant? Well, yeah, well.  It's, it's, I've got a whole staff. I've got people that have worked for me. And, and so right now we're like, I gotta be honest with you. Yesterday, the other day I was at Big Bear and mountains here in California, and I was a towel, I had hung a towel on the door. And so I woke up and I look at the towel and I started freaking out. How many towels do I need? I'm not saying that. I am freaking out, Debbie, I'm going. Well, if I do seven times, seven times, seven times. Ah, I don't have towels, how do I get, I was freaking out, but I have people there that are, that are like, okay, don't worry. Like the staff that used to run the hotel was a hotel before I got it. And so the, all the staff wants to come work for me. So they know the place that even, even the guy who take care of the grounds who knows how to, like I have a house there also. And I said, there's not a chimney in my house. He goes, don't worry, I'll build you one. I said, I like this guy, he's I'll build you one, don't worry, I'll build you one. These are master trades people, right? They're beautiful people. And I'm happy to employ people there in the village. It's a village, it's not a town, it's a village. I mean, you're in the mountain, right? And I'm so excited about bringing people there to really experience Peru in a different way, you know? And, and, and be honest, property, two mountains and every day, you know, one day I'll teach, one day we'll be out running around. And so it's going to be a different experience than what it has before because now, and by the way, I mean, I haven't announced this either but I'm moving to Peru. Like in 90 days, I'll be gone. Like I'm selling everything I own. I don't, I don't, nothing. Even my new car, I'm giving it to my 17-year-old son. He's like, so excited. He's like, what do you can do with your car, dad? I'm like, I'm gonna give it to you. What? What? I said, son, I didn't get a car when I was in the car. I walked. Well, so many things are happening concurrently for you. I think that's fascinating because at the same time, your son just got accepted to college, which is a really big deal. It is. And at a time when a lot of parents would be dealing with the emptiness, loneliness, and confusion over the shift, you are actually having a life change at the same time as your son. What is that like? And how does he feel about you moving to Peru? Well, you know, it's funny that you say that because two years ago, I was on a bus from Cusco, Peru to Puno to go to Lake Titicaca. It was an eight-hour bus ride. I'm on this bus ride, and all of a sudden I start crying, just bawling. And I said, he's gonna leave me. What am I gonna do? What do I do with my life? I've spent my entire 18 years raising him.  He didn't even go to the movies with me anymore. So it wasn't like, he's just not. That's not that cool, right? So I'm like, that's when I started to make that shift. I started to think I need to start living my life because a lot of what happens with most people, they wait till they go to college and they have the empty natural thing and they're freaking out because they're like, there's nothing to do. So that's when I started making these shifts and changes and started thinking I need to do something.  And so, you know, when I told him that I was gonna move to Peru, he said, Dan, that's like your home, huh? I said, it is. It is home. And you need to fly. And then he says, but what do I do if I need you?  Why would you call dad? What would you really need if you called dad? And he starts to smile and I said, I can transfer that on Venmo for more, man. He starts laughing and I said, I know, son. I was your age. You're not calling me to say I love you. You're calling me to say I love you and can I have some money, right? So he's really excited about this, you know? And I said, son, I'm doing this for you because someday I won't be here anymore and you're welcome to sell it. And that's your inheritance. That's what I'm doing. I'm building it so that you have something in the future and it's something that dad feels so good about. And it feels so good about the people that will come through there and the people that I'm gonna, because the center's gonna help. I've committed to building a school up in the mountains, an elementary school for kids. You know, I wanna do good work, you know? And that's where I'm gonna do it from there. And I'll be coming back and forth. I mean, they're gonna kick me out eventually until I get a mile and pass. Ah, right. Yeah, there'll be that to deal with. Yeah, I can't stay there forever. They move on, you know, and then come back and then. So it's exciting when you step into your power. It's exciting when we accept the roles that life presents to us. Don't you think it's that we accept the roles that we actually came here to play? Yeah, yeah. And I wanna encourage young people to think about it earlier.  And I'm thinking to myself, wow, it took a long time. But I was crazy. It took a while to calm me down. I'm still crazy, but not as crazy. Let's keep it real. I wanna keep it real.  I am crazy and I love being crazy and I'm okay with that. I said, but you must be crazier than me if you're following me. Daniel's crazy followers. That's a good thing, it's a good group to be part of. We're gonna take a quick break and we come back. We're gonna be speaking about mindfulness. What does that mean to be full of one's mind or mindfulness? Exclusively for dare to dream listeners. I've made a unique deal with Thinkific. Amazing, it's only available to my listeners. Create, market, sell your own online courses. 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But I really wanna know what it means to you and why at this time in your life, it was really important for you to embody that and speak about it and write about it. Right, well, the title of my book is Radical Mindfulness. And a lot of people were at first were like, oh, that's crazy, it's never gonna fly. And that even just gave me more fuel because I go, okay, okay, great. Thank you, thank you for encouraging me because I'm not gonna stop. Radical Mindfulness, mindfulness, we all know what that is, it's awareness. It's just awareness. And we see it everywhere. You're right, commercials. Everything is about mindfulness today, right? And it's great, I'm glad because it brings awareness to our world. But beyond mindfulness is the practice of mindfulness. That's what I learned. It's that radical is being able to stay in that space of awareness all day long, not just when you're doing yoga, not just when you're meditating in the morning, not just when you've taken a moment all day long. Now, is that possible? I don't know, I told you earlier, I get on a freeway.  Next thing, you know, hands are flying. And I realized, okay, I probably shouldn't have done that. So what can I do to bring myself back to center? You know, and really mindfulness is really, for me it was important because that experience with my mother, I could have never had that experience. Had I not been so present, so radically present that I was able to experience that out of body experience that I had with her. And that's why it's important because I realized that all my life, even though I didn't know, somehow I was able to put the blinders on, where it's like, I tell people, the bills are gonna be there no matter what. But if you focus on the bills, you're never gonna do what it takes to get the job done so that they're not there.  So how can I be so radically mindful in the moment that I realize that in this present moment, in this right here right now, I can create action that creates a better future for me. The next moment's better because I did something different. So it's beyond mindfulness, it's the action behind mindfulness. That's the action behind mindfulness. Mindfulness is awareness, but you know what, a drunk can be aware, doesn't make him any better. So how do you get beyond that? It's the action, it's the action. It's the action that we create in our life and the only place we can do it is in the present moment. And if you do that, right, and I'm gonna share it, this just happened like three, four days ago.  You may have seen the video on Facebook, refused because he didn't think he was good enough. The other night was his last concert with this band on that stage. It's his last opportunity. And he says to me as we're going to the concert, I'm tired dad, because my son's very busy and he's Boy Scout, he's this, he's that, he does everything, you know, varsity volleyball player, he's, he's I'm tired dad.  I said, you are. And he says, but I'm tired dad. And I said, son, just stay present. You'll be all right. Oh my gosh. Brings tears to us. When he got up there to play to him, I don't know what happened, but he transmuted himself into a famous jazz player. I don't even know where it was, but he played the whole play. He rocked the place.  And right next to them, right next to him are two of the best sax players on, like they're going to school for music. My son's not. So he had to perform above and beyond their performance. And he killed it. He stayed present. Even those jazz were gone. Wow, they were so happy for him. And the girl, like, wow, right? Right? And I showed him the video. He was so happy. I said, look at the video. Right, I showed him the video. And I used this video as an example of what happens when we're so radically present that we have that courage, that 30 seconds of courage, it can change your life. 30 seconds, all it takes. You have that courage to change your life. That's what being present does. That's what being radically mindful does. Because in that moment, he had a choice. He could have played okay, and it would have been all right. He could have said no, and it would have been all right. But this was the last moment he had for his senior year. Never again would he ever walk down this path again. And he stepped into it. He stepped into it and rocked the freaking place. Everybody went crazy. Did he reflect on it? Did he say what that moment meant to him to be in it? You know, I did ask him.  I'm coming to you as a master teacher. You rocked it. And I want you to keep this video because someday you're gonna not feel good enough. And I want you to see how good you are. Here's that video, right? And so he reflected back because, I don't even think he knew he had it in him. But he was willing to take it up, to stay present enough to make that choice. And now, oh, he's got a pep in his step. You know, he's empowered because it was powerful. And we all have that capability when we're mindfully present, when we're radically mindfully present, that present that we don't allow the past or the future to govern us, but we stay that present. Then the bills and the girlfriend and the other sex players and all that stuff doesn't matter anymore. Then we create magic in our lives. And that was, it's funny because I told him, I said, I hope you don't mind, but you just became a teaching point in my presentation because I did that. I played the video without sound. And I said, tell me what, because everyone thought, oh, that's a jazz player. I didn't play it with sound. I said, just watch his mannerisms. Tell me what's happening.  And then I played it with music. And I said, he'd never done a solo up until that point. Blown away. I said, and that kind of courage exists in all of us. If we just stay radically present, radically mindful. So mindfulness is a big deal, like you said, but to be that present, that I could experience my mom, that he could be that sex player in that moment, we all have that, Deb. And that's what your show's about, is giving people the courage to be okay with just, you know what, do your thing, shut up already. Do your thing. Exactly. I wanna know more about your thing. So in the last minutes that we have here, I have some questions about you personally. Uh-oh. Yeah. Of course, Deb would let me out that easy. This is the PG version. We'll do another version in another time. But in the PG version, Daniel, what have you learned about, right? Yeah. What have you learned about moving forward in your life after a setback? What have setbacks taught you that probably felt really crummy in the moment, but by virtue of going through them to the other side, you receive something that informs you going forward? I have a lot of setbacks.  You know, it doesn't feel good, but looking back, all of them taught me something. And if it was only resilience, you know, I was the guy that would say, you know what, your people say, well, I'm in a room full of horse manure. And I'm the guy that was going, well, there's gotta be a horse in there somewhere that didn't get here by itself. I mean, find it. So for me, it's like the setback. Today, I look at setbacks differently because I don't see them as setbacks. I go through trials and tribulations like everybody else. And to me, now it's just about just breathing through it and saying, okay, so it's not that bad. I mean, I've been through bad, you know? Been through times when I didn't think I was gonna make it. Been through times when I didn't know where I was gonna eat or sleep. And every single one of those moments has taught me this, compassion. It's taught me to have compassion for other human beings. It's taught me that that day when I was sitting in that restaurant full on myself, that that's not life. And that I had no compassion for others because I got there, you know, on the backs of other people. And today, I have compassion for people. And when I see somebody hurting, I don't walk by without stopping. And even if I just say it's gonna be okay, been there, it's gonna be all right. And I know you can't see that right now, but just remember that, just remember that.  And so it's taught me compassion. Not just for other people, but for myself. That life is like the ocean. The ocean's not the ocean without waves and life is not life without problems. So don't try to avoid them. Don't try to avoid them. They're just there. And it's not about you and it's not about me. It's just what is. And if I can navigate my way through those waters and go, okay, so this happened, what can I do with it? My mother passed away, it was devastating. But I wrote a book and I bought a center with her name on it. I did something with it. I didn't just let it be a bad thing that happened in my life. So today the lessons that I learned always are transformed and transmuted into something beautiful. Where before I just like waddled in my mud, you know? I don't do that anymore. What do you think your true purpose is, Daniel? What do you think your purpose in this life on this earth is? I'll say it this way. I did not come here to heal you. I came here to love you and that love will heal you. It's just love. There it's just love. I wasn't always that way, you know that. I wasn't always that way. I remember the first time I came back to the EBC after being gone and it was like, who the hell is this guy?  Yeah, I just want to love. I want to love and I want to love everybody and I don't like everybody, but I love everybody, you know? And I think that that's what my whole journey was about. Even as a 17 year old as a minister, even though I didn't know it, that it was to get to a place where I really just love. That's all. And that's the journey and love can mean a lot of things and go a lot of directions. But if I stay centered in that, then all is good. And I can still be successful and I can still be powerful, but I come from love. Not, let me see what I can get from you. Dare to dream. Eight years ago I asked you this question, whole different answer. Right? Ask again, what do you next dare to dream? What are your future dreams and goals, Daniel? Well, I'm going to open the center in the three months and the next one is going to be in Nepal. That's my next, that's my next place. That's the next place. I want to have sister because the vortexes of energy are similar in both the Himalayas and in the Andes. And I just feel like it would be great to have a place of people who do both. So they could feel that. Like in the book I talk about, like the first time I ever went to the Himalayas, I was like, oh my gosh, like, wow, I feel like I've been here. Well, of course I've been here. Of course I've been here. And so for me, it's just, you know, it's continued to, you know, to build the center and build another center, right? Maybe write some more books and just be. I don't know, Deb, you know, there was a time when I used to just be like after one thing, after another, like, you know, what's next, what's next? And I just want to live. I just want to be, I just want to be. I don't have a need. I mean, like many of us, I have many accolades. I've been on a cover of many magazines. I've done it. I don't have any need at all, at all to say, well, I need or want that. No, I just want to be. I just want to be. And then every day wake up and say, wow, I'm alive. What will I create today from this aliveness? I am alive. What will I create today from this aliveness? Thank you so much for coming on the show today. Oh my goodness. I've just loved connecting with you in this way too. And I end today's show with this quote from Daniel Gutierrez. Radical mindfulness is not only being aware and present, but being so present that you are monitoring your thoughts on a moment-to-moment basis and redirecting your actions towards your current intentions, followed by commitment. Next up, I'm dare to dream, oh, people, I'm featuring Steven Kotler. This man changed my life. And even having this conversation today where Plant Medicine came up as a pivot point, it goes right back to this. Steven Kotler who wrote the New York Times best-selling book, Stealing Fire, which 10, 15 years ago, I read, changed everything when I learned what a lot of Silicon CEO people were doing to master their lives and actually how deeply spiritual and self-development-based they were. And he is also the co-founder and the director of the Flow Genome Project. And his latest book, which I just finished reading, and this one's a novel. It's incredible. Last tango in cyberspace for ready New York Times. You're gonna wanna tune in for this transformation conversation next week. You could subscribe to this channel. You'll see right here on the podcast. There's a way to subscribe. And also on youtube.com slash debon the radio so you can see my beautiful, magnificent guests in action and anime. And subscribe there too. This will come right in your inbox every week. Thank you for joining us today. And remember the secret of success is having the courage to start your dream in the first place.


I just want to thank the senator, the mayor, the representative, and Secretary Wetzel for actually being here and giving us an occasion, especially you, John, for giving us an occasion to get together. When I was inaugurated, when I was elected and then inaugurated, I set a goal which I thought was pretty ambitious of reducing the prison population by 250 in my first year. Naturally you tried to show me up. We've actually dropped the prison population by 850 in this first year. This is the first year, and John has been, how long have you been in your position? Five years now. So I'm continuing a set of programs and initiatives that were started before I became governor, but it was one of the things that really impressed me about John when I interviewed people for this position. He really has done a fine job, and I wanted to continue that, and I think the results of this first year show that that continuation, his good work, really has made a big difference. So, you know, this is important for Pennsylvania. I think there are three reasons why this is important. The first one is more of a moral issue. We're a free nation. We value liberty and justice, all the good things that we have enshrined in our Constitution and our Declaration of Independence and Constitution of the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania. We take these things seriously, and it is an acute embarrassment that this nation has, I think, the highest prison population in the world. Not just per capita, but in the world, and that's something that we need to work on, and so we are. So it's something that's important for that reason. Second thing is it's also expensive. It costs around $41,000 per inmate, per year in Pennsylvania, to house somebody, incarcerate somebody in the state correction system. So from a budget point of view, I don't know why I'm thinking about budgets at this point, but it's an expensive proposition. It's something that we shouldn't do unless we absolutely have to, and we ought to be looking for ways to reduce that expense. And the final thing is that there's a real opportunity cost to our society, our communities, our families, and our economy. When we incarcerate someone, we break up a family, in many cases. That's a problem. When we incarcerate somebody, we waste a life. Maybe it's the right thing to do in particular cases, but sometimes it's not, and whatever, we're taking that person out of a productive role in society. And with the way I know in my business we did background checks, extensive background checks on people who were looking for work, and incarceration was not something that made you look real good on an employment application. And when we do that, we hurt the economy, the third thing. We hurt the economy because we keep ourselves from people who might take those jobs and who might turn out to be a person who creates additional jobs, who actually becomes a consumer, who actually comes up with a process, a new idea, a new product. So there's so many reasons why this is a very constructive thing to do, to do what we can. And I'm going to ask Secretary Wetzel to talk about what we've done to make this happen. But I think we can continue to work on this. This is a program that isn't just for a year, it's not just for five years. I think we ought to continue doing this and continue to look for good ways to reduce the prison population. So we will continue to do this. I want to congratulate you, John, for making this happen, you and your staff, and maybe you can tell us a little more about what you've done to make this happen. All right, thank you. First of all, welcome to Harrisburg, CCC. Certainly not every day we see as many cameras for good news inside one of our facilities, so we appreciate that opportunity. I want to acknowledge our staff and the staff of the parole board who are here, who really are the folks who have put the hard work in that led to this great news today, this significant population reduction. And when you look at our history as a Commonwealth, we like the rest of the country have experienced just a boom in our population over, especially the 24 years before I got this job where we averaged an increase of 1,500 inmates a year. And then through a bunch of hard work, we started to see that growth flatten out. Past two years in particular, and this year in particular, we've seen four decade low population reduction that really we've been able to roll the clock back to we're at 2009 population levels. And you may remember in 2009, the parole moratorium that Governor Randell issued that really signaled a significant increase in the population. We've now rolled the clock back. And when you look at how we got here, there's a variety of reasons. But one of the things that I'm so excited about is the support of the governor. I mean, in his first year, he's been at both a state prison and a halfway house. And frankly, I believe he's probably the first governor to come to a halfway house that wasn't to cut the ribbon and open it up. And that really signals a level of support that our department and the parole board feel from Governor Wolf. I can tell you when we were interviewing kind of feeling each other out, this is not a shotgun marriage. This is two people who really believe the same thing. We believe that the citizens of Pennsylvania are invested in our ability to correct. One of the things I've been most appreciative over the past year and frankly, a big piece of our population reduction is the approach the administration takes where we identify a problem and work together as a team. And I'll give you a couple of specific illustrations that we've seen some fruition this year and we'll see more. Number one, you're all aware of the heroin epidemic. And across the commonwealth, the issues we're having with drugs. We are now pushing and expanding medication assisted treatment, specifically the use of Vivitrol for individuals coming out of state prisons. And it's not just this is not a DOC initiative, this is not a parole board initiative, this is a Wolf administration initiative. So we work alongside of the Department of Drug and Alcohol with Gary Tennis, Department of Health, Department of Human Services. That's all the agencies who are affected by this working together, specifically to focus on reducing barriers for individuals who are coming out of our prisons and make them more likely to be successful. One of the first things Governor Wolf did was expand the Medicaid expansion. You think what does that have to do with corrections or criminal justice or outcomes? It's a big deal. 70% of our population suffers from a substance use issue, 25% from a mental health issue. You can apply those numbers to the number of people we release, which is roughly 18,000 a year. And we have a lot of individuals getting out with behavioral health needs. Individuals getting out of prison with behavioral health needs who don't have services and don't be able to pay for services are going to commit more crimes. Period. So the fact that early on in the administration, we expanded and now those individuals are eligible is a big deal for public safety. It's a big deal for our world and it's a big deal for our outcomes. For reducing the future criminality of people coming out of our back doors. I think the third initiative point two is this WIOA. So the state is responsible to submit a plan for workforce development.  If anyone knows anything about me, I despise meetings. But how cool it was to be sitting around the table with my colleagues from around the cabinet focusing specifically on making sure that we have the ability to do workforce development for individuals getting out. Again, when you look at what our role is as corrections to create an environment where people can be corrected. And when you look at what our focus is and what our goals are, it's not just public safety making sure people don't escape. Which we better be doing well, folks. Because that's, that is part of it. But public safety in the larger sense, having people get our back door less likely to commit a crime than they come in our front door. These efforts by this administration really continued us on the path we're going and even more so. Last year we announced a four decade big population reduction. This year's even bigger and the future is bright. And this approach to problem solving by administration, where it's not what department or what castle, it's how do we get this done and who should be in the room has really put us on a good foot moving forward.


Good morning and welcome. Thank you everyone for joining us for this morning's session on mainstreaming ecopreneurs. We'll spend the next 45 minutes or so sort of defining what that means, talking about some of the innovations that we're seeing, particularly in the climate tech sector. And my name's Suzanne DiBianca. I'm the Chief Impact Officer at Salesforce. And I'm joined today by an incredible panel that I'll introduce briefly and then we'll get into the conversation. So to my left is the Honorable Prince Max of Liechtenstein, chair of LGT and founder of Light Rock. To his left is Pullman Low, who is the chair of the Royal Hotel Group. You have so many jobs when I was researching you. It's really incredible. All connected to sustainability. All connected to sustainability. Also founder of the Alpha Trio Capital Fund and many more things I hope that you'll get into. To her left is, excuse me, Rebecca and Rebecca is an incredible entrepreneur out of the Netherlands who you'll hear her story of the incredible organization that she's founded working on nature restoration. And finally to her left is Professor Arun Magendur who is the founding dean of the Stanford School for Sustainability, the John Dorr School. It's been about a year in the making, I believe. Has an esteemed career in energy, working both for the US government and for Google for some period of time. So I think we cover sort of a vast range of expertise in this area. And I thought a good place to start would be sort of a definition of eco-pronorship. What does that mean? How are people operationalizing it in their various roles? And Prince Max, I thought I'd start with you as someone who really kind of grew up in the traditional financial asset space at JPMorgan for many years and then at LGT. And I'm curious about the shift that you've made into impact investing and how you think of eco-pronorship. And I know LightRock is not specific to climate tech. It's one part of what you do. But I'd love to hear how you're thinking about it and what you're excited about. Well, I might be the wrong person to ask that question because when I read eco-pronorship, I think I probably read it for the first time.  And the broader setup for doing that comes out of LGT, which is a private banking and asset management business. We manage about 350 billion in assets and management. And it's a 100% sort of family-owned business. And at some point, we decided to set up a philanthropic effort that is called LGT venture philanthropy that in its initial sort of purpose was meant to invest capital in organizations that create positive impact on different dimensions, including climate change. And we invested both in for-profit organizations, trying to be catalytic, but also in non-for-profit organizations and helping to scale them. Having invested in the for-profit organizations and having seen them sort of develop quite nicely, and some of them we still have in our portfolio, we decided to actually scale that effort and establish a separate platform, an impact investing platform, that we have branded Leitrock. There we have sort of a broader fund that invests in sort of people, planet productivity teams, but we have also then seen the opportunity to raise a dedicated climate fund. And how do we interact with entrepreneurs and how do I think about it? If you want to be successful and proactive, it's all about sort of identifying the right sort of business models and investment and teams, management teams, entrepreneurs often, but just entrepreneur is sort of critical, but there need to be people who can build teams. And so for us as we raise that climate fund, what was critical is to develop a lot of domain expertise in key areas. And so one of the obvious ones has been battery technology because electrification, of course, is sort of one key way to decarbonize, which is critical. And so we have done a lot of deep dives in that sector and looked at a lot of the opportunities and if you then have done a lot of work in a sector, you hopefully will be able to connect with the best entrepreneurs, impress them a little bit because you have deep know-how. And then each sort of organization, private equity organization needs to find its sort of, I would say, point of differentiation. And at Lightrock, having formed only recently, we have taken the impact dimension into the very center of what we're doing. And I think that goes down well with a lot of the young entrepreneurs, but it's, of course, not sufficient because you need to have all the traditional private equity skills. And so after having identified the best opportunities, having the funnel set correctly, and then hopefully negotiating a good sort of investment, it's then all about helping those entrepreneurs to scale and be successful with capital. But also by the network that you bring to the table there, I think we also quite differentiated because we're a little bit broader and we have a sort of strong presence also in the global south because we felt that capital into Africa, into Latin America, into India is going to be disproportionately more impactful if successful than in Europe and the US where the additionality of our efforts is probably not quite the same. So I stop here. No, I think it's very good what you're saying. And I know these entrepreneurs really appreciate in addition to the capital assets, the human assets, the network assets. I think these are really important whether, for example, you're working with battery companies or you're working with nature companies. I think it's been very interesting for me to see all the traditional investors who have gotten into this space in the last 10 years. And that's largely because we can do well by doing good, as they say. These are companies that are solving big problems but also making good returns. So really appreciate LGT getting into this space in this way. And Paulman, I'll turn to you next both with your hat for Alpha Trio and the climate fund. I'd like to learn a little bit more about that. But also in your sort of day job real hotels group in the private sector, how do you think about investing in these entrepreneurs slash ecopreneurs and then bringing the private sector resources to help them scale? Sure. Thank you. It's a pleasure to be here. Actually, as a nature lover and a dog lover, I've always wanted to embrace sustainability and purpose at the core of our corporate strategy. That's why we actually launched the first carbon neutral hotel in Hong Kong 13 years ago, kind of before ESG and sustainability became buzzwords. And we have actually proven that we can do well by doing good because iClub has done very well in the past 12 years. We have expanded to almost six properties in Hong Kong. And in the past decade, we have been investing in a number of impact green tech ventures with actually great success. What's most encouraging is that we find that these ventures actually do well because of the impact they deliver, rather than in spite of. So contrary to public belief that there needs to be a trade of, actually, they are profitable precisely because they're helping us solve environmental challenges. And I say that actually sustainability is truly the defining challenge of the century, the greatest transition that we have to make in the history of mankind to reduce our dependence on fossil fuel to completely do away with it. But it can also be the greatest opportunity in that we are obviously the problem, but we can also be the solution by empowering those innovations that can help us with the acceleration of this transition. And that's why I've established Alpha Trio Capital with a mission to empower those disruptive solutions. And our thesis is very simple, that the next wave of unicorns ought to be green tech ventures that help us solve these existential challenges. And we feel that technology obviously is disrupting each and every facet of our lives, but they can also help us reduce emissions at scale across even the toughest sectors. That's why we are very excited, for example, about prop tech, about clean tech, and also agriculture and food tech. In Asia, again, we really are unfortunately lagging behind in terms of impact investing. Asia obviously is where the greatest growth is, but it's also accounting for 2 thirds of the emissions in the world. Of the total AUM dedicated to impact investing, we only account for 17%. And that's why I feel that we really have to catch up. There needs to be a sense of urgency in driving capital into this impact space. And that's why I've established Alpha Trio Capital as an impact partner for a lot of the startups so that we can help them with their ESG strategy to help them measure their impact and outcomes. And also, we are the commercial partner because with our hotel operations and also our other partners in the fund, we provide an ecosystem for them to really test their solutions, to fine tune their business model, and connect them with all the resources and connections they need to scale and become unicorns. So I think really we need to collaborate because they don't need just capital. They need resources. They need our network. And third thing, we are the Asian partner because actually, especially in this part of the world, there are a lot of very cutting edge inventions. And yet the local market probably is not as large as it is in Asia. So that's why we want to really help to facilitate technology exchange and knowledge transfer by being their Asian partner to help them build the local team to build local JVs and to penetrate through Asia. So 17% moving the needle up into the 20s, I think, is a... Well, hopefully more. I mean, if we account for two thirds of the emissions we ought to be... Certainly look at the world's population. I think that's a... And a lot of innovation is coming out of that part of the world as well. So thank you for your leadership there. And Rebecca, I'll come back to you in a second, but I want to get a sense, Arun, from your perspective in academia, but you've also been an operator. One thing that I'm... We've heard the word scale a number of times. I've heard you say that it's easy to start up, but scale up is very different. And I really like what I've heard about how you're thinking about this school for sustainability in the context of kind of a cross-disciplinary approach, an accelerator approach. And so I'm interested to maybe have you tell folks here a little bit more about that and what you're learning about both the need for cross-disciplinary knowledge and expertise, but also in the context of being able to scale. Well, first of all, thanks to the Economic Forum to bring us all together. And also thanks to Mark for his leadership on this ecopreneurship. And we have, with his supported launch to program it between GSB, the Graduate School of Business, and the Door School on Ecopreneurship. But let me, since you asked, let me sort of step back and talk about the scale of the challenge, right? And Pullman referred to that. You got $100 trillion economy, global economy, eight billion people going to 10, but mid-century. And we need to shift that whole economy, which is largely based on fossil fuels. We need to shift the whole economy in the next 22, 30 years. Something that got built up over 150 years, right? That's the magnitude of the challenge, right? So we need solutions. And the solutions have to be cheaper, better, faster, right? We went from, if you look at some of the pictures in New York City in the early 1900s, we went from horse carriages to cars, because the poop from the horse carriages was an environmental problem. And you came to cheaper, better, faster, right? And the same thing needs to happen. If you look at what solutions we have today, solar wind batteries, the first lithium-ion battery commercial came out in the early 90s. It took 30 years to scale that to where we are today, and now we can think about electric vehicles. Same thing with solar, it took even longer. And wind even took even longer, right? Windmills have been around for a long time, but not at the scale, right? So if you think about what solutions are needed to transition the whole economy, there's much more. Like how do we make zero carbon steel cement? If you don't do that, we're not gonna solve the problem. Food is 25% of the global emissions. We gotta decarbonize that, right? So you think about each of these threads, and we did the numbers. If you do the numbers, just take grid-scale storage. We know all, we need that. It's a trillion dollar per year sector. So there are, you take lithium-ion batteries, that's a trillion dollar. You take food, that's multi-trillion dollar. So if you are to solve this problem, we are at the cusp of launching, the world is cusp of launching, multiple trillion dollar businesses in the future, right? This is where, this is the time. So if you're an entrepreneur or ecopreneur trying to help the transition, this is the best time to be around. In fact, I wish I was a graduate student right now, or an undergraduate, because the opportunity is amazing. And we can make commitments, right? The COP28, we wanna transition away from fossil fuel. I love that. But we're not gonna be able to transition unless we have solutions. And the solutions have to be cheaper and better and faster. So that is the opportunity. And one of the things that most academic institutions are fairly good at is to get startups. But, and in our ecosystem, Stanford has a history of doing that. And we do that every year, at least 30, 40 startups that come out. But we're also realizing that this is not software, right? This is different. If you're gonna solve this problem, you could be a social entrepreneur or a commercial entrepreneur. This will, there's an economic issue, there's a cost, there's steel cement on the ground. And so, thinking about scale from the beginning, I think is a very important factor. Otherwise, it's not just a go-to-market strategy. It is go-to-market and scale in the next 10 years. How do we do that? Which means, if you think about any business or any entity at scale, economy-wide or global scale, you have to worry about what are the supply chains? What are the policy barriers, policy levers? What are the markets, if there's, how many people do you touch, right? Is there public acceptance? Are there ethical issues? Are there unintended consequences that come out of this? Because we are living in the unintended consequences of the 20th century, right? So, we have to look at that comprehensively. And this is not just an engineering or a business school or law school. This is the holistic view of thinking about new entrepreneurial activities that not only takes it out of Stanford or any other academic institution, but, and innovation's coming out, but takes it to scale so that you have a roadmap ahead. That's what we're trying to do. That's brilliant. And interested to hear more about some of the companies that you're working with, some of what you've learned in the last year. And I think, before that, we'll move to an actual e-copener. Rebecca Bresier, and I'm sorry I blanked on your name as we were sitting down as we were walking together in the cold, coming here. Who runs an incredible organization called Land Life and has done a really nice job, I think, in this context of scale over the last 10 years. So, can you tell us a little bit about the company and about what you've learned? Sure, yeah. So, we restore nature and on some level, we believe that we are creating the most valuable product in the world. You know, half the world's GDP depends on nature. And then probably the other half depends on that half that depends on nature. So, it is part of our life and is part of our economy. And to a room's point, it's a hardware business. Restoring nature is a hardware business. We use software, we develop software to make our job easier on the ground. Because everything that we do is to focus on the scale, quality, and efficiency of nature restoration. We simply don't have time. The challenge is very big with two billion hectares of degraded land. And we are creating a product that is still unfortunately dwindling in supply. So, we have to be very creative with both our software and our hardware solutions to get the job done. So, our software tells us where to plant. You know, with all the innovation in remote sensing, we can easily parse out land parcels that have both the economic and ecological potential for reforestation. We've developed clustering algorithms that tell us these are similar planting conditions and locations which helps us derive the species mix, the species density. And this we can do from behind our desk and it makes our job faster and more focused because the real hard work is on the ground. And I think that one thing we all need to remember is that we're not gonna solve the climate crisis from behind our computers. It is going to ultimately lead to action on the ground. And the investments in technology are so important because the real challenge is getting landowners on board, working with the nurseries that are multi-generation mom and pop shops that are not remotely ready for the scale that's gonna be required to restore what we have lost and will continue to lose as we make this transition because economy by nature is extractive. So, we have to find a way to replenish it even through this transition. The energy transition alone won't solve our biodiversity crisis and our nature loss. So, everything that we focus on is about that scale question. And how do we move from 100 hectares to thousands of hectares to tens of thousands of hectares? And a lot of that can be done through technology, but a lot is also through the convening power of organizations like this and thinking about we have to take a landscape level approach to how we design nature restoration. Well, that sounds great in theory, but a landscape level approach means you're crossing multiple different landowners with multiple different land uses and you're trying to explain to them how this organism needs to traverse across properties because it ultimately benefits our economy. That is very abstract and that is very hard to communicate to landowners. And so, it is that effort that is going to be hyper-local but needs to be at scale in order for us to continue to make this transition and survive all of these changes that are happening in our different biomes. And, you know, putting people at the center is really critical, I think, as we think about all of these solutions. And as you and I were walking over and talking about having to baseline projects. Yeah. And saying what that means is you have to go to the, you know, the neighboring farm next door and sort of explain, you know, what you're doing and people are not always friendly, don't always sort of understand. And so I think putting people at the heart of it is really key. You talked a little bit about collaboration. I know you're here with Uplink. I'm a big fan and supporter of Uplink. Just before we move on, I was hoping you could describe what Uplink is and what its value it's provided to you as it relates to sort of network and people. Absolutely. So Uplink is a program sponsored by the World Economic Forum as well as Salesforce and Deloitte. And it finds ecopreneurs or new entrepreneurs and what they believe will be the new economy. And that's where I think, you know, in 15 to 20 years to your point, it won't have a special title around ecopreneurs. We are going to be mainstream entrepreneurs because we are creating the new jobs. We are creating the solutions at scale to address some of the world's biggest challenges. And I think that the forum has had insight into that and how do we integrate businesses at a much earlier stage such as mine into these types of dialogues and conversations because this is the future of the economy. And so we represent, we're here representing 10 different pillars, so I'm here representing nature, but I also have colleagues here representing oceans, urban transformation, water use, kind of agriculture, precision agriculture. And they have brought us together from across the globe to also exchange our own ideas as a community of entrepreneurs in the new economy. And then to connect us on forums such as this, it's a real privilege. And it's a great exchange of ideas between sort of new companies and institutional players. Well, thank you. And thank you for representing, a blank thank you for doing it so well and for the incredible impact that you've had. Principax, I'll come back to you in terms of, you know, there's been a lot of challenges in the state of the world in the last 12 months, one of which has been the carbon markets, of which you work very deeply in Rebecca. And I know Light Rock has been thinking a lot about the space as, you know, have a room and you and Pullman, maybe you as well. I'm wondering if you could talk a little bit about that in terms of the moment that we're in, both in terms of the challenges and the opportunities that are gonna come as a result of the turbulence that we're seeing today. Sure. So, you know, thinking about sort of the carbon markets, I think that what it tries to accomplish is to integrate the externalities, the positive and the negative ones into the economy and into business models. And thereby sort of lead to a better asset allocation, right? That's sort of the overall objective. And clearly, you know, that objective is spot on and incredibly important. And if that would have sort of been established earlier and we would have sort of found the right systems, we would all be in a much, much better place. So, we are still in the process of optimizing this sort of, this carbon schemes and the different ones, the other ones that try to address the emissions and to reduce those. And they're incredibly important because hopefully they will overall sort of bring down the emissions by putting a price on emissions and carbon or cost. I think those are now fairly well established. There's quite a bit of experience and they're scaling quite nicely around the globe. You can also invest in those markets, which we are doing.  I'm quite happy this year making sort of above 10% on one external investor that is doing that. And the other one, which is the more challenged one, is the voluntary carbon market segment, which tries to basically give rewards for mainly sort of reducing the most protecting our natural carbon sinks. And that such as protecting our sort of forest, our natural ecosystems, you know, that type of sort of positive work has not gotten the economic rewards that it should have deserved. And if we get these right, it will also be incredibly important because in order to fight climate change successfully, we need to accomplish two things, right? We need to decarbonize on one hand, but we also need to protect our natural carbon sinks, which are mainly the most vibrant ecosystems that we have out there, the rainforest and so on. And, you know, we are jointly on the board of South Pole, which is a company that has been a pioneer in that field, that has faced some challenges that are not just South Pole challenges, but they're actually broader sort of market mechanism challenges that we will need to address. And hopefully sooner rather than later, I'm confident that we will get there because we have to, but urgency is of course incredibly high around climate change. And that's what I guess brings us all together here. That's right. And I think that I'm hopeful that on the other side of this will become better standards, higher quality of projects. And to your point earlier, Rebecca, I mean, we're not only in a climate crisis, we're also in a biodiversity crisis. So we can't back off on investing in nature. It's too important for the fragile planet that we live on in so many areas. I just wanna check to see, are we doing a Q and A at the end of this? Should I be holding a little bit of time for that? Okay. Is that a yes? Sure. Okay. Okay, then I'll just ask maybe one more question and go back. I'm gonna shift gears a little bit and Pullman kind of go to you around AI. So we're seeing that everywhere this year at Davos, it's the theme. There's a lot of innovation happening in this area. We've been investing in some entrepreneurs that are working on AI solutions as it relates to the climate crisis. And for yourself and also for you, Arun, I'm really interested in what you're seeing in this space and what you're excited about and also what you see the challenges might be. And Pritz max, Rebecca, feel free to weigh in on the AI question as well. Sure, maybe I can just go quickly. So to Aaron's point, we really have to do this quickly. Otherwise, we're simply running out of time and luckily we can harness on the power of AI. So for example, in the prop tech sector, smart energy saving solutions, smart building management systems can really help optimize the use of energy in buildings. So in Asia, because of the weather, buildings can account up to 50% of emissions because we have to turn on the air con all the time. But because of AI, we can really precisely use energy to the best extent and also save on air conditioning, save on everything. And in terms of clean tech, that can also help optimize the use of renewable energy and also precision farming. So to this day, there are still nine million people dying of hunger. And also because of biodiversity laws and climate change, our food supply is becoming more and more jeopardized. So as the world population soars to 10 billion, we simply have to grow more food by at least maybe 60%. Luckily, again, we can leverage on AI. So we've been investing in precision farming solutions and also alternative protein to feed the world without all the emissions. So through AI, we can basically grow more food up to 30% with the use of less resources like energy and water because we can integrate all the field data with satellite with weather data so that we don't have to use as much water. So you're seeing innovation many places, one of which is the food and agriculture sector in particular. Can you just talk a little before we hear from Muren? I read about the work that you've been doing with the Metaverse and you talked about a carbon-neutral. That's a very interesting use of AI in my view. So I just wanted to hear a little bit more about what that is, why it's important, and how it really educates your customers in thinking about how and where they're staying as they travel. So I feel that a lot of times at forums like these, we are focused more on the extrinsic motivational factors. So we are trying to foster private public partnerships to create these incentives to do good. Or there are lots of regulations for the ESG reporting, et cetera. But ultimately, we have to get to the root of the problem, and that is actually overconsumption and also lack of appreciation of the interconnectedness of all, which is why I feel that actually the ultimate root of the problem can only be addressed by changing behavior. And what it takes is, again, to appreciate the fact that we are all in this together. And that's why, for example, in our hotel rooms, we have some nudges to encourage our guests to forego, say, towel, to forego housekeeping, and also the use of plastic bottles. For plastic bottles, I thought it is an interesting piece of data to change. Before we started using water filtration systems, our hotels alone in Hong Kong, we have 12 hotels, we actually consumed over 3 million plastic bottles a year. But because of a water disinfection technology from Stanford by Professor Yi Chui, we are able to use that groundbreaking technology to disinfect water at cost and also switch over to water filtration. So we have actually saved on a lot of carbon emissions that way. And also by giving the incentives to our consumers and also educating them about the externalities of all these user or the non-echo-friendly choices, we can actually foster long-term behavioral change. And I think that is the key to the transition. I would like to support the point that value systems, cultures, I would say culture value system, and then that translates into behavioral patterns that we either don't want to see anymore or that we want to support. That team has been grossly underestimated. And I think it's a root cause of a lot of the problems. And I come from a sort of small country and from a family that has been both sort of a tradition in politics and in business. I think culture and values and behavioral characteristics can be driven at, starts at the family level, typically. Hopefully you sort of get a lot of that sort of right from the beginning. Then you go through school and that's where you should get reinforced as well. And hopefully you work at the business that, again, sort of doesn't tolerate the bad behaviors and make sure that there are no plastic bottles.  I mean, the water that you get from the tap for free is just 100 times better. And any plastic bottle water in Switzerland should be not tolerated, right? So again, culture at the corporate level, a huge opportunity. And LGT has done pretty well over the last decades. One of the key success factors, I'm firmly convinced, excellent culture, huge differentiating factor. And even at the state level, if I think about different countries and how I would sort of define the culture, it's just incredibly important. I mean, the culture in the US over the last 40 years, I've been going to the US now for a very, very long time, it has just shifted dramatically. And there are a number of reasons for that. But it can deteriorate, but it can also reverse. So I think we need to do the right things from a business perspective and sort of investing in the ban. Coming back to your point, I think culture is one where we need to work at much, much harder and much more consciously. I agree. And I'm going to give it to you for the last word. But what I will say is a fun fact on Pullman as I was doing some research is you have a master's in Buddhist studies, don't you? And I can see that come through the way that you approach your work. And so I really appreciate that and thinking about how do we take it from the extrinsic to the intrinsic, behavior change being core part of that, culture being core part of that, engaging people being core part of that. So we'll leave a few minutes for questions. But Arun, anything that you want to add, anything around AI, anything that relates to culture of this last bit of the conversation. I'll give you two examples. One is that with AI, I think it's fair to say that we are going to have some kind of a personal assistant of some kind that knows you and can help you do things, right? I think that's coming. Sorry, almost there. So if that's the case, one of the things we are looking at, we have, in fact, in our new school, the whole department and a thread of environmental behavioral science. And with faculty from the business school, from other parts of the school, all joining the door school. And one of the things we are looking at and talking about culture, indigenous cultures, people who live on islands, they had to be sustainable. Otherwise, they had to leave the island, right? We are on Earth as an island, right? So, and Buddhism or other religious, multi-religion. In fact, we are hosting a multi-religious faith meeting in February. And to see how, what are the lessons learned from those cultures? And that can be embedded in your personal agent that could help you and nudge you the right way. This is something that we will be looking at. The other thing, going back to carbon markets, we all talk about net zero. What does net zero mean?  If you want to have financial transaction out there, there needs to be assurance. There needs to be certainty or known uncertainty in what you do. So what we have now are the technology, like, for example, in the private sector, planet labs, that they're scanning the Earth in hyperspectral imaging on a daily basis, right? Now, we have chat GPD for language. So large language model, essentially, we have the data for every text that humans have ever written already built in to our large language models. We don't have that for images yet. And I think what we are going to see is taking those images and looking at, with precision, where is the kind of things agriculture can do, what are the kind, where is the carbon? And it's not just the where it is carbon today. If there's a wildfire or some other disease, the carbon goes away. And we have to keep stock of that on a regular basis so that we can enable a carbon market. And I think we're going to see AI being driven towards those where you don't have to have the knowledge base of how to program in Python to be able to get to that. But you should be able to do what you're doing for language. You should be able to do for images. And I think that's the interface is going to be developed so that you can just query images and say, OK, tell me whether all the eucalyptus trees are around the world and what's the height. And you should be able to get that answer from satellite imagery without being able to program. And I think that's coming. And I think that's the future in carbon markets and biodiversity and more. I think it's very exciting. I agree. And I think that there's nothing that builds trust like transparency. And so this is our opportunity and able to do that with imaging and other. In the few minutes we have left questions, please. Thank you. Thank you for the amazing insight to the speakers. My name is Nicholas. I'm part of the Global Shapers Community from the World Economic Forum representing the Dar es Slam Hub. It's quite interesting when you talked about scaling up. And my perspective is that scaling up is really context-driven and has proved to be a challenge. So is there a strategy or insights that you can give us, or a success story that has helped to scale up different entrepreneurial initiatives across borders in different contexts? Thank you. From my experience sort of scaling up is a challenge that differs from business model and activity to activity. Yes, capital can be a constraint, and especially if the volatility of the capital markets is as significant as we have seen it over the last couple of years, that's not helpful, right? But I do think that capital is key. And then the other aspect about scaling is just building strong execution capability. And that, again, comes from building strong management teams and for entrepreneurs what is very hard, I find, coming back a little bit to the values, is you need to start small and humble, and you don't have access to the best people. And then you sort of get more capital and you become more successful. And you have had your sort of loyal bodies from the first moment. But when you have grown to the next level, you need to be dedicated to the broader overall mission, and you need to bring in the better people. And those sometimes then this CFO for a business that has sort of 20 million revenues is going to be different, most likely, than the CFO that has been around at the very beginning. And these changes are really tough because they're offering contradiction with other. So that's where sort of good boards, good investment, or good coaching can help entrepreneurs to make these moves. The best entrepreneurs do it quite well themselves. But it's scaling comes down to availability of capital and building increasingly strong teams that have strong and strong execution power. And then partly, and that's where the difference is between the software models and the hardware, and a lot of the decarbonization is going to be hardware. And a lot of the, as it was already pointed out, and that is just you go through learning curves. And there is no, you can try to go through them faster. And that's what all good entrepreneurs try to do. But there's always going to be a learning curve. And things build on each other and so on. So that we just should have started a little earlier. We tried to sort of be as fast as possible. But that's just going to take time. I think it's also the intrinsic belief that you have as yourself that the amount of effort, time, and resources that you are doing to do something small is the exact same amount of time and effort and resources to do something big. And if you keep that at the forefront of your mission, of your operations, of your growth and learning curve, that helps you get to scale. Because it actually, it's the same heartache, it's the same sweat, blood, and tears for something small as it is for something big. And so you have to keep that at the forefront of your teams and operations. I like that. Thank you. And I'm glad as an operator on the panel that you were able to sort of have the last word on that. Because sadly, we're out of time. And I don't think we can go any further. But certainly I'm available after the session for any follow-up questions. And I really want to thank the panel for your perspective, for your wisdom, and your insight, and to all of you for joining us this morning. Enjoy your week. Thank you. Thank you.