Okay. Hi. What's up? How's everyone doing? So they can't hear you. How you guys doing? Nate you were joking about me hosting your show Well, I guess I'm hosting Hello, what is up guys? They were gonna talk about the Nintendo stuff here. Yeah, you do that here, right? I changed it to Alright Hey, everyone welcome back to the channel by podcast episode 16 of the I guess rebooted podcast as we call it Yeah, we are having a good time today. I am your host with the most the mr. Nintendo I probably know me pretty well I am Nathaniel Rumpel chance to my left and your guys is right is mr. Eric more and Yeah, dead center like over here is mr. Anders restart. He's our special guest tonight. Whoa I'm not worthy. What's up guys anyways So yeah, he's our special guest today If you would like to go follow his channel and please say subscribe to channel follow my Twitter all that we have links down in the Description for all of that today. We got four lovely topics for you guys and First off before we do that. I want to say welcome back Anders restart.  I'm good. We talked a little bit on Sunday. I was Been busy doing stuff being away on vacation and all but I'm back and I'm pumped and ready to go It seems like we're like maybe what a week a couple weeks away from an in-a-town direct potentially so like Potentially we got we got a lot of stuff to talk about. I mean we always have stuff to talk about And I will note if there is time today We will be taking a few fan topics right from the chat Towards the end here if we at the time allows. All right Big shout out right away right off the right off the bat with the stream We got Logan the block with the $2 super chat says this is the triforce of youtubers. Oh Well, I mean technically you have a YouTube channel because you have a YouTube account. Yes No uploads Wait, dude, I don't think you have any uploads. You probably have some subscribers though. Maybe impressive You probably have like two. I don't know. Hey, you did dab for the for the people the one time So I mean if you're probably getting subscribers from that. Yeah, just dabbing alone just dabbing alone Anyways, alright, so we're just going to hop right into the topics We have a lot of deep stuff to get into but before we dive into say Some stuff with Nintendo Direct and all that jazz. I know some people are really curious about that Today was the start of gamescom so gamescom I Feel like I have to say this every time because when I mentioned it to people on my channel I was like what the hell is gamescom? Okay, well it is essentially e3, but on the other side of the country or the side of the world I should say it takes place in Germany technically the in-person event is in Germany I don't know how big the in-person event is this year, but for our purposes the in-person event It's not as relevant Although maybe it will be this year if there is one because we didn't get an in-person e3 So if there's any demo gameplay that comes out over the next week That's because they actually got to go in person and play them But I have no idea with COVID and everything what's happening with that But what we do know is they're still doing digital events and they kicked it off today with opening night live Hosted by Jeff Keely, which was like a two-hour event showing up a whole bunch of games And most of the games aren't things that we're necessarily going to talk about here. Yes, there was Halo Infinite Yes, we got Call of Duty Vanguard. Nate, they're saying your mic is too low. What? They're saying your mic is too low. My mic is too low I mean I could change that or Andres is too loud. I mean either way Well, we'll crank it up though. We'll crank it up Ah, test, test, test! That means... That's what I was like, no. Well, that sounds very loud. Yeah, that sounds very loud So instead I'm just gonna bring Andres down Yeah, so we're all at equal. Yeah, I mean something like that. If I was gonna say if you're quiet that means I'm extra quiet Yeah, because Eric's really quiet. Anyways, we're just gonna go with this audio setup I hope we'll adjust Andres audio as he chats because I can see the audio levels here So I can I can know if he's too loud So here's what here's what happens with Gamescom. Gamescom is an event that happens in in Germany and Opening that live from Jeff Keeley happened a two-hour event. How much of games are shown off? The games were primarily obviously for other systems. Nintendo does not partake in Gamescom Just like they don't partake in Tokyo Game Show. They pretty much it's E3 and Nintendo Directs That's where you get most of Nintendo's news besides the random social media updates they do. So obviously for Nintendo fans It's always like oh, there's not really much of a reason to pay attention to the Gamescom Except for third-party games that might be coming to switch and we have three big ones that happen today But before we touch on those Some people might be wondering where the hell is Sparks of Hope? Sparks of Hope is up for a game of show at Gamescom Wasn't shown today. Well Gamescom is a three-day event. So this was just day one So there's two more streaming events happening in the next couple days telling me there's a chance Telling me there's a chance Sparks of Hope news is gonna be dropping here in the next couple days Maybe even gameplay. Oh So you need to keep me updated so the second that drops. I want to watch it You need to watch my channel because that's where I'm gonna be talking about it. I'm working See he just self admits he doesn't watch my content.  You can watch it anytime. It's not a live stream I do take the podcast throw it on a different tab and play that through the full Anyway, you like to listen to himself. I mute it So he tries to help watch you gotta get the watch the watch time the full watch time the full watch time Yeah, so anyways So we got three games at that the big big games that happened today And those three games basically we got an update on the Ninja Turtles TMNT Triders prevention update on that so people really want to know what's happening with that game because it finally looks like The best turtles game we probably had since the old school turtle games in the arcades and all of that Turtles in time and stuff like that. So anyone who likes the old-school turtles That's what this game is is targeted at as a beat-em-up game Then there was a new announcement today a surprise announcement Marvel's Midnight Suns That was a very shocking announcement and also doubly shocking because it's coming to switch But maybe it's not so shocking when we consider the type of game it is we're getting to that in a moment And then the other game was Oh, yeah Lego Star Wars Skywalker saga and that was another game people were really looking forward to because it's looked fantastic the entire time Eric And I got to see the behind scenes devil at E3 2019, which they still have not shown all the content from So we still have seen more of the game than you have Nothing we could do about that. Yeah, they're just not showing it The disappointing thing with all of these games is obviously they're all coming next year two of them early next year That's good for me two of them early next year Lego Star Wars Star Wars are coming in spring and March is when Marvel's Midnight Suns is coming But what's weird is the one we thought might get shadow dropped here in gamescom in terms of Hey, you know, it could be done with the Ninja Turtles game And that one just has a 2022 date with no specific timing, which means it might not even come out in 2022 We'll have to wait and see But let's just kind of go in order of how they were unveiled So the first one that was unveiled that's coming to switch was Marvel's Midnight Suns Now the trailer for it, you know, it's in engine But it's not in engine gameplay because it's an RPG tactics game in the style of XCOM Because the team leading it is the same team that actually created XCOM So if you like XCOM or if you haven't played those games if you like Mario plus Rabbids Kingdom Battle That's what this is you like you like You know that you or if you haven't played that if you like Fire Emblem that that's a similar type of game Though that's the kind of game that this is going to be except it's gonna be a Marvel characters They introduced a new hero that they got approval from Marvel to use and all this it's gonna have its own unique story independent of the comics and all that which I think is Maybe a good way to go because you start getting to the comic stuff Then people start comparing to the MCU and just you know to kind of separate from that and do your own thing I think can work, you know depends on the storytelling and the writing and all that So it's probably gonna be very heavy like story driven like most of the RPG tactic games are But I kind of want to gauge your guys interest in this because I would really like Marvel's Ultimate Alliance 3 that's like feels like the last major Marvel game we got on a switch cut system and Now we got this and I actually really enjoy this kind of gameplay the XCOM gameplay the Mario Rabbids I really like this style Fire Emblem 3 houses is great like I did just something about this Works it worked way back in the day and it still works now And we actually have a switch exclusive sort of tactics game coming up because Advance Wars 1 plus 2 reboots coming And that's exactly the same type of game the same type of gameplay just in a different Visual style different more military ask more modern military ask kind of gameplay so I'll start with Andres what are your thoughts on this game because we get we don't see gameplay of it till next week That's what that's one really weird part of the reveal. Yeah, no gameplay till next week So the gameplay is ready, but we can't see it now for some reason. I don't know what's up with that, but what do you think? well, um In general when I see trailers that do not have gameplay. I Don't care at all But I'm sit. That's a generalization this one. I saw it and I was like, oh This is pretty hype. Like I love the characters and everything right like it's really yeah I love the aesthetic. I love the vibe. I love the direction. They're going with I love the musical choice as well Like it was very It was pretty it's pretty hardcore. I expect this aesthetic in all cutscenes. By the way, they don't yeah, I will be very disappointed Yeah, so from that perspective, I'm like, I'm totally I'm totally feeling this I'm vibing with it But that's really all I can say until I see gameplay I think the excitement comes from the fact that this is the team they did XCOM and XCOM is a highly rated series Sure, really really good. So there's like a trust out of oh, we trust you guys to do this, right? But we still haven't seen it. Yeah, yeah, I want to see the actual game I personally don't like it how a lot of games are usually just shown off with Like a story thing and that's it like it needs to be a little bit of a mixture of both Especially if we're gonna get gameplay next week like why even separate it like that I don't know. It just seems a little weird to me. So like but I'm guessing anyway cinematic trailers. Not a fan, huh? No I mean, I'm sure there are some exceptions Like the Breath of the Wild 2 trailer that to me was an exception, right? It's I mean with Zelda they always use in engine cutscenes and when they say an engine It's actually an engine Well, as I say the Breath of Wild 2 trailer actually felt like real gameplay Whereas if you think about the 2014's Breath of the Wild trailer that wasn't actually gameplay that was scripted That was more like it was more like what they were targeting, right? Yeah, it was like an idea board. I would say it was a it was a fair approximation because in some ways it's less impressive in some ways it's more impressive, right? But in general I don't like Just cutscenes that don't show gameplay in like initial trailers. It's not that I don't like cutscenes, but I Don't know what the game is. I don't know what the game is Yeah, so well that was the thing you know they showed this trailer and you're like I don't know what this is and then they get to the end like oh, yeah It's the people yeah XCOM and it's a tactic start PG. It's like, but I didn't get any of that from the trailer I know so it's like if you're just someone who woke up today like oh, there's a new Marvel game And oh, it's coming to switch you watch the trailer. What what is this? Yeah, it doesn't tell you what it is and you might just think oh because you think Marvel Well the last Marvel game to come out was like that Avengers game Yeah, and that people end up not liking the direction it took with microtransactions and all that so I started thinking oh Is it just like another one of those? Now I think what's interesting is it is coming to switch and switch does not get a ton of Multi-platform third-party support in terms of yeah, but the multi-platform Yeah, you see new games coming to PlayStation 5. Oh, that's not going to come to switch But this one is and I think that's an interesting choice And I think it's also interesting considering who's publishing the game because one of the consistent Supporters of switch has been the NBA franchise in 2k 2k NBA NBA 2k keeps coming every single year next-gen platforms are out We still have the new NBA game coming so 2k is publishing this And so I feel like that might have had a little bit of influence I also think when the developers of it fire axis looks at Sales of similar games on switch they all of them sold really well So I think there is a strategy here where you know what? It's a tactical RPG. We can downgrade the visuals, but Based on the style of game it is I don't know if it's gonna matter I kind of think this is just gonna work But again, we have to wait we have the damn gameplay that I agree with very sure we're getting switch gameplay next week Or just gameplay for yeah, it's just September 1st gameplay. No idea what platform for yeah I assume they're gonna show it in its best light or is there gonna be individual trailers per platform like some companies do I have I don't know Yeah, we don't know. It's weird. Yeah gameplay debut 1130 on the fruit. Okay, but like okay What platforms did they not like it's gonna look worse on switch. I understand it, but like how much worse I Don't know it depends right because there are some games that Where you say no like there have been some multi-plat games that have come to switch and you're like, oh this looks fine Like for example Starlink like I have no problems with how Starlink looks visually, right? but then you look at something like say for example Wolfenstein 2 and Sure, it looks good, but it also you can kind of see like the constant blurriness of the game so whenever I think back to my memory of playing Wolfenstein 2 on switch it was just kind of a blurry mess And it maybe I'm misremembering it a little bit But my point is that there have been some multi-plat games that have held up relatively well and then others that have kind of Maybe not held up really well by comparison it there is there is a little bit of variance there So we'll do that that's another thing to kind of wait on gameplay for this right because it might not look that good on switch I don't know But aesthetically speaking the trailer the concept the whole idea behind it. I think So far so good. I'm I'm intrigued and normally I'm not intrigued by just Straight-up cutscene trailers, and I will say I don't like So I like cinematic trailers I think they're cool as long as it's accompanied by some sort of gameplay like at E3 a lot of times You'll get a cinematic trailer, but if it's of a game that's gonna have a demo well Accompanied by gameplay so then it's cool What I don't like is when it's just like like this is basically a cinematic trailer They call it an engine which makes me hope that this is what cutscenes will look like But maybe not like how many times we get in engine and that it doesn't really look like that at the end Unless you have like the PC version with an RTX 3090 or something so in general I'm not a fan of Not basically I don't really want to see games until gameplay is ready Like even we think of Nintendo fans think how frustrating it is for people looking forward to Bayonetta 3 Announced back in 2017 with just a little cinematic thing Here we are four years later still haven't seen any sort of trailer gameplay act I mean I almost take a cinematic trailer at this point just to know the game's still there although that's right for Meta prime for example just a logo drop They did the same thing with Smash back on the Wii U as well Just a logo drop the game hadn't even started development yet like I I Don't like I mean yes cinematic trailers. You can argue are better than just a logo drop like as an example Dragon Age 4 That's another one. They just dropped a logo and then we haven't seen it since I don't like the logo drops obviously Unless I will give a caveat to logo drops But you better come through as if you do a logo drop on an IP that's been dead for like 20 years And you just want to let people know it's coming back I'm okay with that spaces, but you better go into a prime for like just the confirmation the Nintendo was developed But technically we had had Metroid games that weren't necessarily so old at that point It's just we didn't know the Prime series was going to come back now I know they said we wanted to shelve it, but then we had prime I mean technically when we got Metro Prime Federation Force, we should have known that they weren't done with the Prime series, but They haven't had not given us like a legitimate prime Spin-off prime, which is already a spin-off series, but whatever Yeah, it's strange, but you know and going just going back to the point though. I'm We'll see when we're gameplay comes up We'll see but I'd yeah cautiously optimistic is the best I can sort of give you with that trailer Basically, this is gonna be a topic on next week's podcast. I'm sure because we will have the footage then So we'll end up revisiting this next week But I want to get Eric's thoughts on this because you actually I know you like this style of gameplay even though We haven't seen it yet.  Yeah, at least I am. It's my daughter's birthday, too So I gotta sum off an angle to do that and day one, but I will make it work because that's how much I love it Maybe I'll even drag her to the movie although she'll probably get scared. I don't know Honey the green goblin's coming on cover your eyes Anyways, so what are your thoughts? Are you excited for this?  Yeah, they're they're trying to create Okay, we announced this game when we're trying to create an event Yeah, and I understand creating the event because this game comes on March This is the only one we have a month, you know for for when it wanted to expect it But the thing is I don't get why if the game is gonna be shown next week I get hyping people up to see the gameplay and I have a hype to see it But like also you couldn't a game just a smidge tease Yeah, like even just like even just like make it like a freeze frame stop in the trailer Or like to do this move and all of a sudden but bam for like four frames if you freeze it You could actually see Like a screenshot of gameplay and then then that builds all the hype to see the full gameplay All right, and they didn't even do that. They just kind of said hey We have a new Marvel game in the work. Hey, it's by a team that you guys all know they made a franchise you guys all love Trust us. It's gonna be great. See you next week I had no clue it was gonna be in the XCOM style because well, it was a surprising else We we did they literally kept this on the rap. There's no rumors about this or anything But until you told me I was like oh it is Yeah, get that out of anything, but okay. I mean sure I'm so I'm excited to continue that trailer conversation What kind of trailers do you prefer when a game is first being shown off? You know if I don't mind cinematic, but I do prefer Actually have including gameplay in it. You know combo. Yeah combo. I I like the cinematics. They're pretty. They're fun They're great and they cost a crapload of mine But I don't like are the cinematics that aren't actually part of the game. No, yeah, that too Those are weird you get like a cinematic trailer and it's like but that cinematics never in the game and to be clear We say that as how do smash bros characters get announced well We see gameplay. Yes, but like they're announced with cinematics that are never in the game Again, they cost a lot of money There's the smash is also to rules. Yeah, I would like am I being am I giving the exception because it's Nintendo? maybe But Awesome Like and they do give gameplay usually like right right after so like there's always it's always accompanied by gameplay and the gameplay is not shit Like the special smash ultimate looks is a good-looking game So, you know, there's that right there's there are the trailers where you get like a pretty good-looking cutscene And then the actual gameplay is booty like that's that's not okay, right? But smash looking game is just the cutscenes that put together look really good And there's also variants with that right it's not always the same kind of style even though there is like a general style They usually go with occasionally do something a little bit different depending on the character in the direction Right like for example for pirate myth or are they literally used as you'll be Chronicles 2 engine. So I Mean that was arguably gameplay just not it's an in-game gameplay, but for me, right? Yeah, but You know, so we could talk about later, but It It's fine. Well, also they they make it clear they use text at the bottom It's not like there's no debate that it's gameplay right like it is what it is It's pretty clear and there's a long history of smash doing this already. So people know what it is It's different when you have a trailer that comes out and you have no idea what's going on And they just give you like cutscene stuff and either they don't give you any gameplay Because you don't really know if it if the game's worth it or not to you or B They give you gameplay and it's nothing like what they were showing you at all So I think there's a difference. I think smash gets a pass Smash gets a pass. Yeah, but but there's there is irony in what I said I don't like cinematic and trailers that aren't in games and then I just went over But I'm okay with it with smash But why am I okay with that there was a lot of reasons I could say I'm okay with it But also it would be cool if that's cinematic within some act like maybe that is a criticism of smash Maybe when they do these introduction cinematics when you unlock that character in the game They should unlock it with that cinematic Yeah, I mean it's just a little extra flair for people that didn't see the trailer You know yeah, yeah Cinematics are just video clips. Yeah, so yeah, but the problem is that soccer has like this weird sort of Abbit these built up now because he because they we go back to brawl all of subspace emissary and all those cutscenes were Uploaded on to YouTube and other internet sites and soccer I didn't like that because people could just see The story he built on the internet for free as opposed to just buying brawl so I have ever since then his sort of like Perspective on creating cutscenes for Smash Brothers is a we're gonna make this it's gonna be public already Like it's not gonna be a nice surprise to have in the game, but I think there is still some of that like in Not subspace emissary, but world of light like there is some cutscenes you can unlock But of course if you search on YouTube, you can still find it I thought that kind of plays into why we don't really get like a lot more surprise sort of like reveal trailers in the actual game because He realizes people are just gonna upload on to the internet anyway Yeah, either that or they could put it in like its own little menu option to watch cinematic trailers for the characters Yeah, like that As you are interested right like the cinematic trailer in a cinematic Section in a menu or something. Sure. I mean just like they have all the music in a playlist and all that All right, so moving on to the next big game that was at games comment This is one that we've had gameplay of twice Well, technically three times if you were at E3 2019 was Lego Star Wars Skywalker saga set for spring next year I mean what is it to say? It's a Lego. It's a Star Wars game. You can go anywhere. It's all nine movies in one game It's a massive game. They showed how you move between planets and everything looks really cool really really Makes sense because I feel like the planet movements are gonna be based on what section of the story you want to go to But it looks like you can go to any of them anytime So it's kind of like an open-ish game really cool visually just looks massively impressive granted We haven't seen switch footage yet so not gonna probably quite be as crisp as this probably in the lower resolution or whatever but Man does it look good the comedies on point because Lego adds their own comedy into the story Which that that's one of the reasons I'd be like to play it see the the comedic the Star Wars comedy you can throw in there You know like that they have one scene in it where When Luke was Trying to convince that he that he's good enough to become a Jedi to Yoda or whatever and he says something really stupid and then you had You know Obi-Wan or whatever Ben Kenobi or whatever just sitting over there in ghost form just face-palming and it is going away Yeah, well, and then he had the one where I think it was at Luke that told I'm guessing it was ready to reach out her hand and all of a sudden Chewbacca just pops up Just like start scrubbing his head against your hand. It's like oh god. Yeah, so like great So I'm really into that that kind of cheeky. Oh, yeah comedy like that. Yeah, definitely but it looks like to me and Again, I could speak from someone who has seen this game behind closed doors It might be the I I Hesitate on the second part, but I think it might be the greatest Lego game ever made I would agree with you and I played a lot of Lego games I think it might be the greatest one. It's definitely the biggest for sure and I think the best-looking but I Be one of the best Star Wars games ever made and There's some good one. There's Kotar.  It was really good There's been some excellent You know even go back to the Rogue Squadron days. There's been some excellent Star Wars games og battlefront But man Something about this game and the amount of characters and the Size of the planets and the worlds and like the space combat looks so good. It's one of the best space combat Seen in space games period like it's something about this gives me the idea that this might be the best Star Wars game ever Now that's just haven't played it yet We kind of assume how it's gonna play because we have Lego games We know how Lego games play, but I want to throw it to you guys because that's my perspective What are your guys's thoughts on this game and do you even care? I even excited isn't something you even are even contemplating pick it up whether on switch or any other platform In general I Don't play Lego games. So it's kind of one of those things where it looks neat But I mean I have it's not like I'm not aware right like there's been a lot of Lego games That have come out over the years that have been like open world or big adventures And you know, they're fairly ambitious and they look pretty good Then I'll tell you when I see the footage It looks good and I am a fan of Star Wars and I would love to sort of explore through the Skywalker saga. I Don't know if I feel like Getting it. Just I don't know. I've just never really personally got into Lego games, but again It's not because I don't know I don't like it It's just but you never got into them, but you might I might but they'll have to do more to sell me on it personally well, what would they have to do to sell you on it because that You pretty much saw a bunch of story elements in combat and Legos So like what do they have to do to sell you on it because it's pretty much I think for me I think for me it's there isn't and this may sound terrible, but there's an inherent turn off that they are Legos So that that's just always been like, okay, they're Legos I don't feel like playing this but I get totally acknowledged that all the Lego games are pretty good Right and like if I were to play I've tried a couple and they're they're fun I've just never felt like buying them, right now if I see some good reviews for this Your preconceived. Yeah, they're no, there's very clear. There's very clearly a bias like I'm not even I'm not like all the people that say Nintendo's for kids. There's a bias You see the visual of Mario and Splatoon and you're like, yep, that's that's kitty So, you know, I mean there's definitely that There but it also like in general When it comes to licensed games, I also have hesitance because there is a long history of licensed games just not being as good Not to say that there aren't because that, you know, we've seen a lot of licensed games be pretty good You know, look at the the Batman games, for example, it might be some of the best licensed games ever made but You know, there's just these biases that being a licensed game It being let go those things sort of holding back a little bit But the idea of exploring through the entire Skywalker like saga like that is kind of exciting to me, you know But also tell you the old movies are here, too Yeah, so all of that is pretty cool. I'll tell you that I was also initially intrigued by A Dragon Ball z Kakarot because it's telling the saga of Kakarot Goku all throughout And that was very interesting to me and this is kind of maybe a little similar in that way But I also didn't get around to get to playing that game and that game was good, too Because part of that is the other issue there is that I already know the story So there isn't There isn't like that much final Star Wars movies. So I don't actually know how it all ends Okay. Well, I did So there is that other element there, right? So there's the Lego bias. There is the Just licensed game bias and then there is a I've already I already know what the story is bias. So all those things kind of like Hold it back for me, right? And on top of that like there's all there's I mean, it's it's competitive There's so many games out there that I Want to play or need to play So, you know, there's that going as well I'm not saying I won't buy the game But I just being frank because I probably won't buy the game unless the reviews are like insanely good And I have nothing else to play I know that's why I said, what are you playing in March? Because right now we don't know what else is coming to switch in March. I don't know. I don't know yet Could be monster on a rise dlc You know, we might get paid dlc a year afterwards could be Could be like, I mean, I feel like what legends arc is we have to wait a little bit longer, but maybe not Right, that's a possibility I don't care. Um That's a that's a whole other conversation Um, although legends arc is comes at the end of january. So like conceivably that could carry me into March potentially, you know, it does depend um The nevermind backlogs, but then I mean if we're just thinking if we're just thinking about like nintendo Like there's a chance that nintendo releases another big game in march We don't know what that is yet, right? It could be split two and three It could be the donkey kong game. It could be xenoblade three. It could be something we don't know about Yeah, I feel like the time you know pokemon is meant to carry february and then drop another game in march So we'll we'll have to wait and see Yeah, eric, what are your thoughts on legos towers? um More than likely day one purchase. Yeah Just I love dude when I was sold when we saw the behind the scenes demo at e3 2019. I was like Dude, yeah, right like because like I I used to be really into lego games, but after a while they started to feel a little bit samey So you're like, okay, whatever. I'm like, so they announced that I'm like, okay, all nine movies That's intriguing. But whatever then we saw the behind scenes. I'm like, this looks like I'm like any lego game I played right now for sure. This is And I love star wars as I say that I haven't seen the final video movie I it's like I'm I'm waiting to see if there's going to be an episode 10 because if there isn't I'm going to salivate and wait As long as possible to watch episode nine because I kind of don't want it to end I think that's the way I am right now. I I don't and I heard that people don't like that episode and it's fine. Yeah, but I still got to see it Yeah, I got to see the conclusion. It's just I'm waiting to see if there's more Beyond it and there's going to be spin-offs and other things and you know Maybe they get rid of the episode numbers and they never do episodic again And that's fine. That's fine. The spin-offs have actually been really I've seen like all the spin-offs. They're really good I love the I'm amazing like like all the spin-offs have been just literally fantastic, so Maybe that's where it'll be one of these fortes. That's gonna tell the side stories and the main story, but Well, I want to see like a new story become like the next big thing, right? Like the sky you could argue that episode one through nine are this 10,000 years and let's get let's get something new Like I want the next Skywalker saga, right? They wouldn't be the skywalkers would be something else, but I would like to see that Uh, that would be very interesting and also tell you that My favorite of like the three different trilogies I've always had an affinity for episodes one through three. So the middle trilogy, which is confusing and the reason for that is because That world has more going on in it in terms of there's a lot more Like living characters still there's still a lot more of that civilization Um episodes four through six a lot of it's sort of dead and also because the movies when they were made there were Technology limitations, right? So there's only so much they could sort of show off and convey It would be interesting to see like a A star war series that sort of shows off the full like Breath of like the history and the lore and the civilizations and characters and the species Full on, you know and really dive into that Um with modern technology That this has nothing to do with video games, but you know just no no And to comment on general because because like I've heard some people when I even talk about this game Like oh, why do I care disney rune star wars? Uh, there's been a number of comments for that and I and I go like this look disney bought out Marvel right and they're doing all those movies No, no the marvel right and everyone seems to be thrilled With the marvel cinematic universe in general. There's some hidden misses here and there But in general people seem to be really happy with it and they started that basically All over again from fresh there were other movies that existed But they just rebooted everything and have done a fantastic job And when we think about the star wars movies that people like that have come out in the last 10 years They've been a lot of the side ones that aren't locked into the main core story, which to me Makes me feel like look you can get mad at disney all you want But also disney's trying to follow up something they didn't create If they're allowed to get creative freedom to tell new stories and go in new directions I think they can make amazing star wars movies because we've seen them do that With the side ones so if they can as you said a new skywalker saga But disney actually gets to start it from the very beginning That to me is really really exciting for the potential future of star wars just like it has been for the mcu Everyone's been you know, oh, yeah, like I remembered all the controversy Oh, you're not going to use Andrew Garfield from the amazing spider man and now look at what spider man's doing now Like clearly when they're allowed to fully control everything from the very beginning They know what they're doing with these ip's They know what they're doing way better than marvel movies were doing before disney got involved and star wars, you know star wars wasn't exactly doing too hot before disney bought it so like Lucas in general Lucas in general like, you know, and it's just like, you know Now they own the indiana jones ip and they're making another one of those Yeah, but eventually they need to reboot that ip because harrison ford is all the shit and i love harrison ford He's amazing and forever just just like, you know, robert donald jr. Is always going to be iron man to me Eventually they'll reboot the character sometime in my lifetime. I'm sure at least one more time Um, they'll probably reboot the whole mcu at one more time That's some big event that resets everything and then there's a whole new characters and that's fine They're gonna that's the beauty of the mcu is that you can literally you can literally do any event and all these characters go away and we have all new ones multiverses I mean, it's haven't seen loki. Have you? Huh? You need to really need to watch loki on disney. I really like loki Loki's good Yes, there's multiverses. All right Yes, but just watch who is just seeing another universe of marvel. Congratulations. There's your wife Watch loki I mean, they don't have to have something big happen just There there's something in particular that happens to the multiverse that you need to watch a couple years ago They were joking around by multiverse and now they have multiple movies or tv series They're like tackling multiverses an actual plot device literally all about the multiverse Yeah, and then and then and now obviously we have the The happening with the spider-man movie and everything so yeah, the just just they're It's very interesting. I'm gonna leave it alone because You love marvel and I don't care. You don't have a disney plus count use mine. Yeah, watch it. It's five bucks a month. Yeah, it's only six episodes I got and then you even argue was there a multiversal Crap happening with Wanda vision a little bit depending on how you want to look at things and anyways, um So, uh, the point the point is lego star wars looks really cool. We're really into it. We're gonna get a day one Andres is like IP interest high It does look halfway decent But it's lego and i'm biased So i'm not sold and it's really hard for them to ever sell me on it So maybe if I just happen to have nothing to buy and i'm at the store Yep I mean that that's it. It's kind of like it's got to be like a Spur them all right. I'm sorry. I'm a hardcore nintendo nintendo family. I'm not a hardcore star wars. It's rated higher than rest of the wild Some crazy 97 rating. I haven't bought like any licensed games in years. It's just It needs to be really good. That's just that's just my thing. I'll tell you this I I've I've been wanting to get um Yeah, is it fall in order? Um the one that had like some some x retro studios does work on it Fallen Right, what about calling? Sorry was it the Yeah, I've been meaning to pick up that one, you know, so like occasionally I I I do yeah Yeah, like I I'm gonna get around squadrons is technically the newest star wars game.  They still were pretty solid fundamental gameplay underneath at all It's just they didn't you know the classic a classic rose squadron ones were pretty good Yeah, even squadrons was actually pretty solid but I feel like EA feels like they need to make it up to disney because disney yanked away the ip exclusivity because of what they did with battlefront It's like yeah, and if you keep messing up, they're gonna yank away the games you are making so So now we're getting good star wars games and now they're being made by multiple companies So I wish the NFL would do that too. Well, you know You could dream of having 2k back. Hey, you know what no don't dream of it because guess what college football is coming back By EA and you're gonna be able to bring your rosters into NFL again So no, I just want the competition. So they actually make madden better They weren't making madden better back when they had competition Like the training camp we love so much. It was it was the exact same training cap and like seven straight maddens So And what's what's the what's the harry potter game that's being made by Warner brothers or being published by Warner brothers What like that the big ambitious harry potter game that's all you published by Warner brothers Yeah, like that, you know depending on how it goes. Maybe I'll get into it again That one does again. It looks really good, but it's like we haven't seen enough But that's that's the thing with most of most license They hype you up because you're a fan of lord of the rings or star wars or Captain america and then the game comes out and it's At best average like, you know, like that that's kind of like the commonality I can rattle off for all these ip's Almost a dozen really great games made for all of them So it's kind of like right they exist because there's but there's so many of them Yeah, it's like you continue to throw shit on the wall and eventually some of it sticks But um, you know, I'm not saying that like there are good licensed games. We've mentioned a few already. It's just Usually they're not that stink less So speaking of licensed games ninja turtles is coming back TMNT shredders revenge great segue that that kind of like, you know, it sort of harkens back to like the old like TMNT games Yeah Even the gameboy game was really good My literal first video game memory is TMNT on super nintendo Like that was that was playing that with my dad like that was my first video game memory And then the next memory is mario 64. So like I'm I'm interested in this, you know, that that that is something I I'm interested in playing um It it's yeah, I it's good I I knew I kind of wanted it from day one already. So this is not so is this gonna be a day one get for you Probably I don't I don't suspect it's gonna be if not if not day one It's gonna be a oh this is available. I'm gonna buy it kind of thing, you know, like when I find myself with time I mean if you are if you grew up playing turtle games and you remember the classics and you love them I mean this has to be pretty exciting because we haven't really had one like this In a while we've had attempts at all these other types of ninja turtle games using the more modern cartoons and all that None of them have really been great or sat well and then this company comes out Look, we're just going to make the turtle games that everyone loved Because we're in the world of indies and no one cares about the visuals. They just care about In the moment the visuals actually look actually kind of good But they look good because hey look we're used to buying games that look like this And if we're going to get games that look like this, why can't we get we haven't gotten a good turtles replacement beat them up It just hasn't happened We've had other beat them up, but nothing quite feeling like turtles Um And then obviously I guess the big news for that today was that april news palette playable and she was never playable before Yeah, um So what do you guys feel about that because some people are like April kneels playable. That's cool. But like it wouldn't be more sense to have splinter. So But just because she's playable doesn't mean there can't be other playable characters Well, yeah, yeah, well, no you're correct But a lot of people say but the obvious choice would have been splinter And the one criticism I read out there. I found it kind of fascinating because In the history of turtles whether it's the the movies the stories the video games Everyone kneels the damsel So we took the damsel away made her a badass that drops mics on people and kills them somehow I just my drop moment. Oh foot soldier dies. I mean, I guess can you know what my mic is pretty heavy I suppose if I drop that on someone's face it could break it. It could break a face I really wish I really wish it would burn and not not these little mics But she's got like the full on big one like that over there.    I mean, that's really cool. And that's only possible in a video game but I guess you do in cartoons too because as always suspends reality in those uh, but I also go but aproneel has never really been that badass And now she is and I don't have I don't have a problem that she is but also like Out of all the characters It's her And granted that means she's not the damsel in the story. That's fine I just how did she learn how to be as good as the turtles is basically what I'm trying to get like I'm trying to understand from a lord perspective the turtles are good because splinter taught them and splinter is a formal karate master who had Accident happened after he lost a shredder or whatever all this stuff happens, right? If you guys know the original the og ninja turtle stories are why splinter is a badass He wasn't always a freaking rat pretty much. Um, he was actually a literally a master So he's the one that trains the turtles.  She didn't grow up. She didn't grow up learning. So like she went in the spiritual journey a spiritual journey Remember the multiverse they multiverse it and in this multiverse, she's a mutant too Right and grew up. It took some classes She's like, I don't know for me It's more of a logic thing that I understand some of the complaints other. Yeah, there's some it kind of breaks with lore But you know what? The one I want to see the one I want to see and and maybe uh splinter's gonna be dlc type of thing maybe like them, but If they do that they better make some kasey jones downloadable character. Do you see kasey jones being out of the stick just But again, there's probably going to be dlc characters on the line Or it's possible that are unlockable in the game Yeah, so like and because we've already seen splinter and one of the cutscenes was fighting So it's kind of like well, I'm sure at some point you unlock splinter or whatever So I'm curious. I'm curious what the setup is going to be for and everything Um, obviously you fight some of the classic bosses and stuff. That's going to be cool So I don't know for me. It's like a day one get and for andres. It's a when I remember it or when I see it I'll get it Um, eric, what about for you?  Yeah, um, it's probably gonna be like andre I'm probably not gonna realize it comes out when I remind you. Hey, it's out. Oh, I think we don't know the pricing on it either We don't know how long it is. I'm sure it's going to review. Well, we'll get we'll have to wait and see if it If the gameplay holds up Looks like it's like like if I want to like have like a good night with someone like just to play co-op You know that would yeah, yeah, it might be something I might even be able to get yulia to try out You know, even though she's not a fun, honey, just button mash. You're fine Just button mash. You'll be good. I'll carry us. It's fine. I'll take care of the technical bosses. You take care of all the foot soldiers. We're good So yeah, that I'm pretty excited for that game So those were kind of the big ones there was a few other ones out there that are also coming to switch I would kind of mention But for the most part those were the major ones There's obviously a lot of big games there called every vanguard and all this other stuff And again, I thought gamescom itself was was cool, but this kind of leads into the the next topic So e3 and trouble and this has been kind of something that's been Percolating in my mind since e3 happened this year and for those that saw my live stream for it You already know my overall thoughts on the e3 show But but sending that aside.   I'm not able to stream alive I gotta take my kids to do all their school stuff today So I'm sitting there and I'm checking on the news. I'm checking on alive And I'm just like, okay This feels like the summer game fest show that happened before e3 and I ended up I feel like being a pretty solid show And so was this and gamescom has an excellent reputation around it when it comes to the show floor experience And they don't have this controversy over median fans. They've made it work from day one There was never a media exclusivity fan exclusivity from day one They made it work and gamescom has a sterling reputation at this point in every presentation gamescom has is focused on games And it does really really well They don't have any of this fluff. They don't get Advertising partners that have nothing to do with gaming just doesn't happen Everything is built around games and they seem to do it What e3 wishes they could do But yet e3 is still considered the bigger event.  They still had the major companies doing press conferences good or bad uh, but After e3's digital showcase where they've had I mean realistically over a year to prepare for something like that Which it felt like they didn't really take a year to prepare. They took like a month It's what it felt like Anyways, I'm sure it was maybe a bit longer than a month But it really felt like they threw it together last minute when they realized Oh, we're not going to be able to go live this year. So we're going to throw this together last minute um And they just drew in all their partners because the esa also runs the esrb and all that So they have a lot of partners. There's a lot of people from nintendo and microsoft on the board and I Feel like after watching opening night live And just the reputation gamescom has I'm starting to feel like e3 is in serious trouble Of not being able to recover from the show they had this year Combined with other things like gamescom not necessarily gamescom specifically But even do you think to well whenever packs happens again sterling reputation with packs Okay, yeah, they haven't done some impressive but great reputation Everything else has excellent rep reputations even, you know Quake con right or even like blizzcon all the controversy on ad division blizzard, but the actual blizzcon event Pretty sterling reputation like all these other gaming events seem to just do everything better and the esa doesn't learn anything because they seem to care more about partners And the money those partners will pay for advertising and they actually care about giving us a good event So do you guys agree with my thought process? I guess that e3 Might be in trouble and it could be like I think they'll attempt to do an in-person event again. Maybe next year or the year after But if that doesn't go well, is it kind of like you three might just go away? I don't I don't know um Or do you guys agree maybe you think e3 is fine like everything's good Honestly, I have a hard time believing that we're gonna No longer get like the big events in that early part of the summer anymore. I think It's kind of like you were mentioning how like, you know e3 still kind of gets has like the big gets I feel like a good analogy is kind of like the Los angeles lakers So if you pay attention to like basketball analysts, there's all for the last few years Everybody's saying all the lakers they can't do this. They don't have the coaching They don't have the staff. They can't get all the good players yet. What's happening? They're getting all the good players. They're still in contention. They're back um And a lot of that simply has to do with the fact that the lakers unlike the clippers have like this legacy this history people know What the lakers are right? They are a winning franchise. They are a championship franchise There's that sort of that allure. So what happens players want to go play for the lakers not the clippers in general So you look at e3, right and the analogy I'm trying to make is that there's this history of companies showing up at e3 putting out games and The public You know that the sit, you know, everyone sort of sees that everyone sort of comes has come to expect there to be big game announcements early summertime If there's any sort of like event that's like a mainstream event that people that aren't big gamers That would sort of like recognize it would be e3 So, you know e3 compared to other things. I feel like they still have a huge advantage So to think that they'll be gone in the next year or two. I'm skeptical of that now What can we can we continue trend? Because this last year if you separate out nintendo, which could have just did a direct instead If you separate out microsoft, which already has their own digital event as well without them there was nothing at e3 So part of that though has to do with Covid right we're still sort of recovering from that But all the other companies still showed their games and other events Summer game fest got a crapload. It had way more actual game studios involved in it than e3 did So like all these other like games. Okay, so I guess I guess the you know, so the thing is right I'm when I think of e3. I think of e3 is just like that time that window So games fest to me was just kind of the summer games was just really part of it But if you're talking about like the actual company actual Pete like the actual like event of e3 e3 like that I still don't I still don't think it's going away. Like is it going to become less significant over time? I mean, we're sort of seeing that already sure But I also don't think that right now is necessarily Telling us for sure what direction we're going in Like I think we need more but we had Verizon 5g Gaming's better with Verizon 5g.  They don't come with Verizon 5g your experience will be better That's right. Um To be honest, I don't know. I I just I think I think in general Just like moving forward like as as a fan of gaming There's always going to be something around the early summer even if it's not called e3 anymore So i'm not really worried about that But if you're talking about e3 as the organization They still I think have that advantage because of the history the legacy they have But you're also right in saying that, you know, there is more competition now. It's not as clear cut as it was before But I also feel like it's still a little bit of a small sample size We're still kind of going through the pandemic so there's still a lot of impact there Let's see where they are a couple years from now Sure, I and I hear you on that front and my whole corner argument is e3 was in trouble before the pandemic So like this isn't even a new thing e3 itself has been struggling for almost a decade. Sony left Um, so yeah, Sony left. They can't convince Sony to come back ea left. They can't convince ea to come back Um, other studios are fighting out. Hey, we're getting just as much attention and sales on our games without you Nintendo has been one of the big supporters in microsoft and like those look feel like the last two bastions that are making e3 even have relevance Uh, and pc gaming show I guess too for those that are really into that the pc gaming show actually had just had its best show Um, so I don't want to forget that that was actually officially part of e3 and that actually I guess the other thing to consider Is that you've been to e3 physically? I've never been to e3 physically. I've only Experienced it over the internet So there is that kind of consideration, right? So your perspective is very different from mine Like to me when I think of e3. I just care about getting to e3 perspective Growing up I always dreamed about going to e3 now. I'm like, uh Like do I like the idea of going on a trip? and getting like Close like inside access to a couple games. Um, we got to see like Behind closed doors last time. Yeah, and then that's cool Like would it be nice to see stuff like that to get some hands-on experiences of games? Like I'll tell you that I really Desperately want to play breath of the wild back at e3 2016, you know, like that would have been really nice Right, um Or like say we get mature prime 4 at next year's e3 I would love to be there to play it right like that would be amazing And Nintendo's booth is always kick-ass Especially when there's also new hardware too so you can actually get to experience how that new hardware handles and plays particular games Like that's exciting but e3 isn't necessarily the only place to do stuff like that and For everything I've heard from e3. You have to wait in really really long lines. You have to be surrounded by a whole bunch of people Um, they may be sweating. They may be smelly. They may touch you And I I don't and I may have to be sitting in the line for three hours just to play a game for 15 minutes I'll say I haven't had and it'll be really loud So so in my experience, I have an issue with the sweating and the smelling it actually has isn't that bad I think some people I think since they let the public in it's become more people actually Know that we should wear deodorant and not actually like shower before we show up So like I don't feel like I've been scared by any smells or anything like that It can get crowded but I will say this about what what what nintendo's booth now? This isn't true of every booth there, but nintendo's booth There's particular games that can be kind of long like the last one went to links awakening was like one of the longer ones and luigi's mansion, but I will say for someone like you that's really interested in nintendo nintendo's really streamlined it Um, you can now sign up ahead of time for certain time slots So like you're not waiting in line for three hours The games they know that aren't going to have the longest lines are now in a separate section So like we have to play marvel ultimate alliance 3 we could have played that on repeat all day long No problem Like literally watching to it air like like a bunch of like we could have played Um a whole bunch of games like that So like nintendo's actually made it a much easier. It also depends on the day you go to links awakening was the only one That that was a bit difficult to you You had to you wanted to hit that one early before they started moving the queue line somewhere else And then it became a three hour wait. Yeah, uh, but that would you know And i'm sure nintendo nintendo I don't think thought that that year links awakening was going to be at they clearly thought pokemon And luigi's mansion were going to be bigger and yet the line from links awakening was insane Um, so they were prepared for long lines for pokemon and luigi's mansion handle that fantastic They were not prepared for links awakening Um So that was well assuming it's like that right where like let's say let's say there is metro prime 4 Like you have to you can schedule when you go in there's not really that much of a hassle You just there when you schedule it and everything else is streamlined then fine I would love to go because as you mentioned with nintendo like they They sort of handle things especially like if they the last few years they've kind of made like a little bit like a theme park That's really cool. So For that reason I would love to be there Um, pardon me though with metroid if they were to have it at e3 I would assume that they would oh that that would they would plan that I think links awakening they thought it was an old game It's a port. I mean, yeah, they're new games. They're new new games. They think our big deal are the ones that they will They will have they will have the line settled and prepared for that I mean, I'm not saying it's not going to take you a while to play it But well even like so you can wait in the long line, right? So if you want to play luigi's mansion twice you can go outside of your queue time and wait in the long line If you want and that's cool to have an option Or you could sign up ahead of them if we did and you just wait in line And it's like a really tiny line because you get to go to like basically the front they have okay.  You guys are just not paying attention So that's just news you lose and then you only wait for like five minutes and then you're in and playing And plus the booth is really cool to look at they always have really cool things to look at while you're waiting in line To um and then if you also go that's nintendo not every booth is that organized like when we waited for Like we waited to see cyberpunk that was that was a that was a bit of a long wait So like they don't all not all of them are that organized. I remember we wanted to play I think do me turn on the one time who knew it was coming to switch We're like well Hey, let's play the pc version to see what it's like and that was you exclusively had to sign up ahead of time You couldn't wait on a public view for that So we we didn't know that so we weren't signed up But a lot of you three streamlined that way now because ever since they let the public and they kind of learned Okay, we have to like do something about right that the lines are three hours And as long as it's streamlined like that and I'm totally fine with that. I'm I'm actually super down That's the way it is. This is the way it was last two years. The last couple yeah go the the Especially day three. I mean the wines are 2016 was it wasn't like that 2016 was you wait three hours to play Now granted they put a lot of people in every time they still was a three hour wait Well, then again, it was also Breath of the Wild and I mean to be honest It was Nintendo's only game And it was also like one of their best E3 servers and they totally had game of the show The the weight kind of felt worth it because you got to play two demos and you were playing for like 45 minutes It was sweet So like it's like oh you wait three hours But you're really getting to go in you get to play the entire beginning of the game like that's awesome How many times have you gone to a theme park? A lot like you know like thousands of times probably I have before Waiting in long lines Yeah, by the fast pass even if the ride is great If you wait in a line for an hour for a four minute ride I didn't know a zerk what we hit every single ride in the one day because You go during the week and call it may be an amazing four minutes But I just I don't like waiting in lines. I just really hate lines Um, but I'll tell you you know it is going to be a shame If we kind of continue in this direction where things like E3 go away It's kind of similar to like for example like arcades aren't as big of a deal as I used to either like there used to be More places that we go to physically to have more of like that sort of experience now everything's becoming increasingly more and more digital and We are in some ways becoming more socially distant. Um, so physically at least and It is going to be something I'm going to miss like as we sort of progress in that way Like I I miss arcades, you know, and I I love the idea of being able to go to a big event And being able to experience like all of these really like cool things of gaming culture like all in one place So, you know, I don't want things to go in that way, but that is the direction we've been like increasingly headed in Yeah, I think it's uh, I don't think summertime events to show games are going to go away Um, I I think the big thing that people forget about E3 because when you're at home All you really care about usually is the press conferences, right? It's all about the press You don't really care about E3 itself to be clear E3 is a show floor event It is like all the press conferences aren't weren't previously until this last year organized at all by the esa That was all independent Microsoft sony nintendo square, you know, all these companies just doing their own thing Before e3 in the lead up and it just became part of e3 over all these years But e3 itself is literally just a show floor and technically there's been nothing that's actually replaced that The problem is they've had so much criticism over that show floor, which is entirely why sony left because they didn't agree with how they're handling it Um, I think that's the thing like well, nothing's really replaced it. Although gamescom does have that I do think we are also in a new age Where it's becoming increasingly hard to justify Keeping things exclusive at this event when you could oh you want media to play it Why can't we send you a media demo digitally?  So it's almost like an archaic part of the past Having not by the way not that in-person events are going to happen and have demos and all that that's fine But I feel like the need for that is sort of dwindling away Um, just from a technological standpoint is getting a little we don't really necessarily need to do that Now obviously there has been concern with game leaks and yes sending digital demos There's going to be concerns with that But they already are starting to do press-only events before all like gamescom Any demo that's involved with gamescom the media has already played Same with e3 There was a media week the media got to play everything before we even got news on it. So it's like I almost feel like My concern with e3 going away is one there isn't really anything to replace that and If it goes away then eric and I have to go to some other event and There really isn't a consensus. What other event do you choose to go to packs is great There are some demos Some and because there's only some the lines are insane because that's not really the whole point of packs We tend to just really not really involved with that Yeah, that's another set of packs sometimes that packs a lot some of the demos from e3 They'll have at packs, but it'll only be like a few stations. Yeah, you know, you're not they're not as involved Yeah, so it's like they have a booth at these places, but I I just think So e3 I feel like we almost have an affinity to the brand a little bit that it's going to be around And I feel like the esa which is the company that runs e3 Has an affinity to it too. They think the e3 brand is too big to fail And I think we saw not only was sony leaving, but in how e3 handled this last year where it was just a shit show Yeah, that The brand is kind of tarnished at this point And I think only really matters to those of us that grew up with it I think new gamers coming in like teenagers today.  They get their gaming news on twitter.  Yeah They're not want I mean they watch they watch streamers now, you know, all live events happening. That's great for you That's great for us. Andres. That's great for me. Nintendo doesn't direct that's awesome for us. We can do live streams Like most people aren't going to get the news from those streams. They're going to get it off their twitter feeds They're going to get it from the notifications on their phone The events are good for us and yeah, obviously streamers have gotten really really popular and I'm sure you can admit I can admit when we streamed in 10 or directs. It's really high viewership because it's directs it's big news but also Besides it benefiting us Most people like you see like as an example like the spider-man movie Um, it had his trailer trailer come out and it's got you know I don't know over 100 million views at this point between all all the different places that it's on But it's like, but yeah, people didn't have to be there and watch that live They just got it and they watch it when they feel like it and I feel like that's the way news is being delivered today You know, like when I get my videos up for you guys on my channel that has news in it I mean, I'm not the first person to report that stuff. It's coming from elsewhere. So People get their news in so many different ways that I almost feel like e3 isn't necessarily needed and I feel like that's what's been proven with I know the pandemic has helped boost sales, but look at the sales of video games and consoles over the last two years Where e3 has pretty much been irrelevant these companies don't need it I don't think teenagers which are the kind of group you want to hit to keep your brand relevant, you know Good moving forward right that Yeah, we always have your long call fans But you always want to introduce new ones and teens are the ones that are getting to the point where they start to get jobs to get cars Move into you know becoming adults and deciding where they're going to spend their free money And that's when you really want to you know capture gamers or new gamers And I don't know that they care about e3 By the way, I'm not saying they care what games come either But I'm saying I don't think they care in general. They just want the news and they can just get it anywhere And I think that's hurt e3 I think e3 has not evolved properly With social media and the way the world works today, and I think that was Very evident When e3 put all this advertising or become a co-streamer become this become that we're pushing e3 big and then you watch e3's event And you're like you are so out of touch Not just with me as an old school game.  I ain't me thinking about it. I didn't watch e3 I watched I watched the nintendo direct and I watched the tree house and then You probably watched the nintendo stuff on nintendo's channel, right? You didn't even Because they had it on their own channels. I didn't go to an e3 website. No, um No, it was probably on on the official nintendo stuff Um now for all the other e3 stuff. I once it came out. I checked out the trailers Like that's it. I did I watched very minimal live streams now for me. It's just because time like oh sure time times And they happen to be honest like even to even to that opening night live happened in the middle of the day Like and I get it because it's actually night time out in europe So I understand that it's why it's called opening night despite being in the middle of the day because it's actually night where they're at but it's That and that happens with nintendo directs a lot of times too They happen at these times that I always wonder why nintendo chooses some of the times they do because it seems to be to me At times that people aren't going to be available Yeah, they somehow still do phenomenal for views. So I mean nintendo knows something. I don't their market research team They're paid so they know what they're doing but Yeah, I mean that's the kind of thing you you just said I didn't really pay attention to e3 until it was nintendo And then I watched that and I watched it on nintendo stuff. It's like e3 didn't happen to you It was just another nintendo direct um And like that that's the interesting part is I wonder how true that is for many people where You know we get that's why I said we we get to I don't think e3 is going to go away until they try an in-person event again I think they're going to hope that that's that's going to save you know the other thing I didn't even watch all the tree house like I watched most of it after the fact I go watch the first metroid red part and then I was like, okay, I have to do other stuff Yeah, you know and that and I came back eventually to watch them But not alive. No, well, it's even like this podcast this podcast will have you know 1200 views and then By this time next week it might have 3000 so that means most people that watch that watch it after the fact But I feel like that's the way right I mean, that's a timing thing That doesn't mean the stream versions are relevant and that you guys watching right now are you know not having a great time It's just There's less viewers now that are going to watch it after the fact um So I guess, you know, I want to throw this to Eric because obviously we've been to e3 I love the e3 in person. It's great. I think the experience has actually gotten better Even though it'd be nice to have the media badges that we haven't been able to get yet And we're still not there yet guys. You gotta have 100,000 subscribers. I mean, that's another in there out of touch with With media and the way social media works So they're just whatever and the fact that I can have a website that gets 10,000 views per month And get a media badge, but I can have a youtube channel That's get you know 300,000 views in a month and can't get a media badge Get a little out of touch, but that's a criticism from I guess you could say a more entitled spot in media because people always think the media are entitled with these Whatever it's fine They improve the experience enough that it doesn't really matter gamer pass or media You're just saving 250 at that point. I mean you get a little early access to the the show floor, but it doesn't really matter Well, now you involve the next one. I'm sure it's actually a full Yeah, it was supposed to be last last year was supposed to be a full day for media So that is a big deal Because that's a full day for media, which they should have probably been doing this whole time I think they should still I think they should still have three days for the public and one day for just media media Can go or maybe an hour early access on those days, but they have a dedicated day So then they have a full day and then they have the Early to get in to get in line first or like do all your demos on like if I was media I'd try to do all my demos day one and do your interviews and stuff like that All the rest of the day Yeah, or if there's something else you wanted to get a second look at you know, whatever we're saying that since But the first time we went there when they first order your like do you think e3 is going to go away? I mean even they even think about this from a user experience of in-person last time we went They had this entire area set up for all of us to sit under the tent And they And there was so such bad communication We didn't even really talk about this what happened in 2019 Yeah, but we didn't really spend much time on it This was frustrating. They had this so they have this giant long tent in front of the entrance to e3 That all of us were supposed to be able to basically pile under so you're not scorching in the in the california sun Because you need to be there x amount of hours early if you want to you know, again the lines you want to get to the front of line okay, well There was such poor communication That the security wasn't letting us in even though multiple people told them. Hey that tent up there is for us What's the point of setting up a tent if you're not well that tent up there is for us to wait under verse well You think they set up those food stands by that and I felt bad for the food stands It's like the food stands are probably making bank off of people waiting in line for three hours And here they are making nothing because they're not letting us go up there And like finally the head of security walked down at one point said half hour Yeah, it was like 20 minutes.  They're supposed to be under the tent and that and that to me is like and that guy by the way He's the cool guy. He's he's awesome. Everyone who goes to e3. You'll eventually meet this guy Everyone loves him, but here's the problem. The problem is They can't even communicate on where people are supposed to stand in line That's the e3 we're talking about That's how bad and disorganized because the entire event is I mean just think about it this way If they were to have kept us there Until the floor open. I mean this is floor opening. We're talking about not Metal detector opening that you have to then walk through and you go through Yeah, you go through the metal detectors first and then there's we'll stand in this giant queue they had set up but The metal detectors was between us and the queue that we're supposed to be in So we would have had to wait in From when show floor opened we would have had to then Go through metal detectors. I thought the only logic I thought the only the only logic I thought at the time and I didn't say this out loud But I was thinking well, maybe they're trying to slow down that rush Where people kind of run even though you're not supposed to because if you're forced through the metal detector I mean you don't know point to run because it's too slow to get through anyways What do you rush and do yeah, but then again part of the cool thing And this is this was really cool that one day that we went as media Back in 2016 on the final day, you know, no on the final day though We were there as media back in 2016 Oh, what was really cool is on the day we got to go in early because we realized Oh, we could have went in earlier the whole time We didn't know so we did that on day three and you turn around it is cool watching the rush of people come in Like a stampede. Yeah, I mean there was the one time that we were in the rush and then I lost my badge And it was fine. We ended up getting it back But it was I'm just saying that e3 It felt that was the first time I've been to e3 as much as I've loved how Nintendo was organized E3 wasn't organized no no and as long as and that's But the thing is as long as it's that's why Sony dipped out by the way as long as it's ESA doesn't know what they're doing as long as it's controlled by the ESA It's not it's not going to be organized and the ESA is ran by all the video game companies I don't I'm just the execs don't know what they're doing The ESA must not be have any sort of gamers on their board I mean, I'm going to tell you guys right now I think e3 is fine if they let Jeff Keely run it. Yeah If they don't let Jeff Keely and I'm not just talking about the digital events or whatever I'm talking about the actual show let him run the show. He'll get Sony back. Oh, yeah He'll get everyone back. I mean all the big companies are starting to go to Jeff Keely Like what are you doing at the game awards? What are you doing at summer game fest opening night live for games come ran by Jeff Keely? Yeah, Jeff Keely clearly while you might not guys You might not like his presentation style and the way he sets things up But he clearly does it better than the ESA and it's always organized Yeah, I so overall e3 going away I don't know. Is it in trouble? Possibly I don't know if they all have to keep going all digital This is gone in three years I mean, I will miss in person press conferences.  It was so loud. It was crazy Like that's kind of like what's taking the place of that now and I'll tell you that I remember 2004 Because that's when they showed off At the time it wasn't didn't have the name but like they showed off twilight princess They showed off resume 4 should have metroprime 2 at e3 And cynically the zelda reveal it was huge It was it had the it was the zelda with the big lord of the rings influence and back then a lot of the rings was still very Very much a big part of I mean it's still important now, but that's what we were coming out drawing the sword as the crowd and just going nuts It was People were screaming and it was incredible. It was one of the most like amazing things to be a part of back then And that's gone. We all felt a part of it from home Yeah Like that's the thing. Oh the nintendo star. That's cool. If you're there That's not what the rest of us see the rest of us see Did you like what you saw? All right, let's move on to the next game We don't get the pause crowd. You might get your streamer reaction. That and that's cool Thank you for watching me and watching my crazy reactions and stuff. That's fine You don't hear a crowd had that with the crowd reaction You don't have a crowd um So, you know, it would be interesting if there was like a organized sort of like stream or software that was put together Where you have like a family Of streamers, right where like let's say for example, this was set up and I decided to participate in it So someone's watching me watch e3 So people who are watching it through my livestream, they'll still see me I'll still be the predominant voice aside from the actual stream itself, right? but it'll still be set up to like what will be like a A background or like an audience voice where where other streamers are a part of this program They're also heard in the background to kind of simulate That audience reaction that we used to get back in the day Still like that's probably the it won't be the same, but maybe the closest approximation I'll give you an example. The mba did it in the bubble They put a crowd on screens I Barely hear them if at all and then go back to the mba finals this year in person Significantly different in person and digital it no matter how you set it up. It'll never be the same That's why live sporting events are still one of the most popular things on cable tv and keeps cable tv around because The crowd the vibration of the voices Until you the screens yes, p.m. Cuts it down Well, I did whatever the point the point is is that like I we see and there's also like that potential Like live sports is with the crowd is so much better than without There's also like that potential sort of like interaction You know, you know, you're not supposed to like theoretically someone could throw a tomato Right or someone could jump on stage Like just of that element being there that potential that also adds something as well, right? So losing and yeah for I mean, I totally agree that like losing the audience where we are losing something It's a shame, but at the same time Live conferences sort of sucked Like they were long They were talked about way more stuff that we did we did not need to hear There were some tone deafness at that like nintendo's got to throw up the graph Oh, we've grown our subscriber base probably like okay. Yeah, we literally we don't care that save that for your investor meeting Like right and that's the thing they kind of like made it an investor meeting at the same time But it was always technically it was always that going back to the 90s though like Because oh if you think about press conferences It's press so like what what what happens when like apple goes on stage and they do the same shit Like that's what like I think what happens is we're not necessarily traditional press We're more gamers than we are media and because of that we're just there for the games But the press might care that like oh, yeah, this you know this and that this this is for investing or for this like So like the moments that we say oh, yeah boo that sucked Yeah, but that's that's what this like this is a press conference. This is not a Nintendo direct. This is not a showcase of games. We will have games because we need to sell you on our products But we're here to talk about the overall health of the company Remember the the switch presentation that was a live conference. That was pretty good. Remember that. I remember that one Be not being too bad The switch one the switch presentation live it was unveiled in october 2016 in a commercial. No No, there was a switch presentation january 2017 where you're talking you're talking about the the secondary one They did in japan right. They did a trailer in october 2016 but they when they had they had like an actual presentation And there was a live audience there That was the last time I will admit that audience was very subdued. They didn't seem to get that excited about anything Probably just Some things that were showing off we have hd rumble we can we could shake ice cubes And it's like well, we can't feel that like that's a cool thing to put in a demo booth, but like Well, I mean that presentation they showed off. Um, well, they announced smt-5 they um announced the only chronicles To they confirmed smt-2 they confirmed mario odyssey They i believe they announced arms then they Confirmed mario create deluxe. They was in your truck for the entire first year lineup of switch basically Yeah, it was it was I mean this which was an amazing lineup You know, it was an incredible presentation They concluded it by confirming the release date of breath of the wild alongside the switch with arguably the best trailer ever made It's like it was a really good presentation Um, but I don't I don't I don't really remember. They're being strong strong like audience reactions with it, but there wasn't audience Yeah, well, I think that audience wasn't made up of I think that audience was like an investor's audience. I think it was just their investment group there Next time nintendo decides to have one of those again for presumably for Well, maybe they do it for their next system, right? They only do it once per generation that switch was unveiled without a lab audience It's like takes away some of the luster the console unveiling used to be the most exciting part of life Like when a wada pulls the damn we out of this pocket With in front of a live audience people are like, holy I mean the the thing is I They have to do a trailer because that makes more sense like They have because that's just gonna make more it makes sense because nintendo does digital events See it made sense when a wada pulled the we out because Everyone announces systems ID three and everyone does it in front of a live audience now It would be cool though. It would be cool though to have a direct that had an audience It'd be cool to do that. It would be cool. They're not going And it would have to be like the ideal sort of like Live direct or whatever you want a live direct presentation would be where they they invite content creators and Yeah, like invite content creators and people who are actually passionate about it Because then you'll have like a ridiculous sort of like audience and it'll be awesome Shout out to natsu in the chat. I I couldn't help it. It's sports without streakers. Just wouldn't be the same I love it. I mean it happens every year happens every year.  It was hilarious Anyways, um Okay, so general consensus then obviously I'm really kind of thinks. Hey, yeah, it's probably e3 is probably going to survive and stick around at least for a while What do you think? I think it'll be fine as long as it can go Back with in person if they have to try to keep doing just straight digital Well, they suck at digital they're done They're better letting the companies do their own thing and then just I think e3 strength is in person But also they've been kind of messing up in person. Yeah Like we just pointed out like they seem so disorganized Great and not to mention the they need to fix their back end too of how you register and All that crap that's been You know, it'd be nice if they had like Well, they treated it like so for example To your point how e3 is more about the show floor Right, or if they rethought it because there are gonna be companies They're gonna have their own separate events like nintendo. We're just gonna do a direct and they're gonna have their tree house But what if they, you know, they had Just moments were like, okay, we're gonna go ahead and play this demo Right and that's on the e3 stream and this is what they're focused on But then they also have moments where they do like, you know live vlogs where they have someone Walking around on camera so they can sort of get an up-close look of how the show floor looks see the different attractions and booths Like do stuff like that throughout the show Instead of what it has been Like that might be kind of a way to sort of modernize a little bit and get people to be a little bit more engaged So i'll say i'll i'll say this The thing about e3 and and when you consider the show floor and the press conferences and everything part of And i'm not big into it, but when i do tune in part of what makes esports So exciting is that crowd reaction. No, it's just like real sports Yeah, it's cool when you see this epic play made in like a you know in in in like an nfl game But there's no crowd reacting to it It's just you in a room or you watching some streamer reacting to it and it's just you person and you know It's cool.  We're gonna have crowds there. They're going to react It can even be just a crowd of 50 people But they're gonna go nuts because they're super into these games They're super into these companies and they're gonna go crazy when these amazing moves are made that maybe people watching at home Don't even realize was so so amazing But the crowd does because they're experts on it So i feel like e3 is trying to find a way to catch like on the show floor It seems okay because it's dependent on the company Um, some of the companies are really really good at it. Um, like when at the 1 e3 that had smash back in 2018 Um, they did a really good job They had they had a full on announcer on there people were going nuts in person over all the all the big screen Smash happening in the tournaments and the high end quote-unquote high end play that anyone could have got involved in That was cool But that was also nintendo gets it some of the other companies like you go to your booth and like Everyone's just kind of frowning and Aren't really having a good time. There's not really lines. You just kind of It this all gets back to i think i think sony has felt this way and that's why they dipped out it was just a whole The excitement isn't there like it once was you know like this year We made people excited for e3, but that's because of what we were doing Wasn't necessarily because of what they were doing um, so I don't know personally. I I honestly think in three years e3 is going to be a thing in the past Assuming they had a chance in those three years to actually do an in-person event And we'll see maybe about you mean civilization is still a thing three years from now Maybe we got you a foes and What I want to happen The delts are very if we can't get jeff kealy to run all of e3 fine I want him to actually still partner with the esa and he runs All the press conference digital stuff beforehand and let e3 just focus on let's worry about the show floor We'll get companies to commit to the show floor and we'll just figure that out But we'll see we'll see what happens obviously we'll have to see what happens in the future Get into the next topic, which is obviously one that I think a lot of people are excited about and are waiting around this entire time for Nintendo Direct so Let's just start with this. Do we think a Nintendo Direct's happening next month? Yes probably So to be clear here Set aside any rumors. I think samis hunter and a couple others put out a rumor that there's going to be one next month Just going to look at history. There's been a direct every single september since directs were announced except the year They didn't have directs lash. I refer to the direct archive. Yeah Just go to the direct literally every september. There's a direct except for the one year. They didn't have directs And even then and even then there was there was those models. Yeah, so let's go back to when we were 2021 now So let's go back to 2020 which is the year without directs right the pandemic year um in september We still got a monster hunter direct a an intelligent direct mini partner showcase Both of which I don't really care too much about Well, I did care about monster hunter, but anyway, and then during that time I think we still got some other announcements like there's a pikmin 3 and age of calamity When was the mario anniversary thing? When was that? The super mario bros 35th anniversary direct was september 3rd So that was september that was that was basically their direct and that was that was a big direct And then we got that september 3rd and that was the year where there was a not directs. Yeah, right So let's go back to Let's go to 2019 In 2019 on september 4th There was a big nintendo direct where they talked about a sword shield and we just mentioned three and a few other cool things It was a 40 minute plus direct. It was a big deal um Let's go to 2018 september 13th big nintendo direct Let's go to 2017 September 13th big nintendo direct 45 plus minutes So every year of the switch era there has been a major direct presentation in september And what you may notice not even just in the month of september, but the first two weeks of september So i'm not saying that this time around it'll be in the first two weeks But the pattern suggests so yeah and september is a little weird this year because like the first happens on a wednesday So it could be that following week or it could be the week after which we're then technically push it into a little bit into the Second half, but again, that's all timing on the month Basically it's happening either like the the first full week or the second full week is essentially what it sounds like based on the past Doesn't mean it will could be later in the month But also if you look at the history indie worlds usually happen the month before a direct We got an indie world. We also got a pokemon presents, which conveniently seems to always happen right before we're about to get a direct Yeah, that one was weird because that was usually like the one we were waiting for at e3 Yeah, like we waited like they took so long to give us the pokemon news We're already talking about getting the next september direct Yeah, right like they took a very long time. So that that is a bit of an outlier there I don't really know it is outlier, but traditionally it comes before a direct. So I always look at it as I don't need rumor mongers to tell me there's a direct next month Nintendo is telling you there's a direct next month. They don't even need not to mention it's coming Not to mention they probably want to showcase metroid red in another direct time Well, we also have to consider we actually know games coming this year. They're going to want to advertise them all again Yeah, so that kind of gets it to there's a perfect time for hype for holiday well start of the school year Getting into the fall Let's let's actually type for stuff and they'll have the by the way guys They're probably going to be a metroid red direct at some point or showcase. There's going to be Individual there's gonna be a dread direct I think I think it might just have a big feature in this in a september direct And you just have a couple weeks away. We've been getting all these dread reports. Like they're just gonna yeah Yeah, the dread reports out too. Yeah, I don't I'm just saying I don't think there's a need for a dread direct Because the dread reports have been kind of giving us that information we want and need already Um, and they've been telling us that a good job of making us aware of what it is But we get we have the switch OLED coming out as well Like all of this has been boosting sort of dread awareness. This is a question I have for the chat How many of you guys are even aware that the dread reports exist? I'm I know I know they exist But how many of you guys actually know that they exist because that's I don't actually think people are more aware that the indie world happened I think then they are aware of these dread reports exist unless they're really hardcore and Strictly looking for that crap every day. I'm not so sure That they actually know just because nintendo's twitter account tweets it out See not me. There's a there's a there's a there's a few people in the chat. No idea. See, I'm not so sure the general nintendo fan base Actually knows about those dread reports. There's something about directs that get the attention versus Individual little video features over time, you know or written features sometimes Anything to do in our tree house. Thank you so much for the five dollar super chat. I see you. Thank you Another dread tree house might be better That would be awesome a tree house too. People people do like the tree house brand So I could I could see that. Um Well, I think what what helps the directs is they're announced ahead of time and you know that usually the day before Usually we have had surprise same day directs. But usually we know at least a day before sometimes two We get spread around every youtuber talks about it and bam Everybody knows and then you go and you schedule that time and you know to check for news on that day So and I don't think that happens at dread reports We don't know when they're coming and even if there is maybe we do maybe there's some inconsistency to it But the point is that how many youtubers you've seen talk about the dread reports It's like it's not really something people are paying attention to now Some do of course there's going to be metroid channels as an example that every little morsela news are going to talk about it, but I get your point. Um, for sure. I mean for the the They're going to talk about dread like that's going to happen. Um, I just don't know if we're going to get a dread direct I don't know if that's necessary. Do we think that dread? So I I think there's going to be a game Direct an individual game direct it's from sometime between now and the end of the year But let's just say it's not dread like what other what other game would they really go intensity five You think shim got intensity five would get its own and that's possible like that monster did one That's the kind of game that sort of needs like like like monster and arise like To sort of advertise to the nintendo fanbase make them aware that hey, there's a big game coming Um, I really hope that game sells well guys I mean shimming up intensity has always been a great series persona is a great I really want to see that game do well, but Well, we'll see I mean it has to earn it to it has to actually be a good game We presume it it's been in development forever. So we presume it's going to be good, but Looks good When we saw it it looked good, but we'll have to yeah, it looks great. Yeah I might find that instead of really direct happening in september history tells us that Some people are rumored right now out there, but again conceivably it could happen like the first week of october But I doubt it because dread comes out october 8th I think they're gonna When does warrior wear come out because I feel like they're gonna want to mention that game again I'll actually I mean I think that warrior wear comes out like the second week of september a little bit. Let me double check Warrior wear get it together comes out september 10th So I can see them like That week because again that would be the first full week of september I could see them doing one on a tuesday or thursday that week and being like, yeah Well, we want to advertise this game before it comes out too. So that that's gonna be so I could see that that that Because I think that's another game and I was like, look, we're not going to do an individual direct for it But we'd like to mention it the week it comes out um, so Yeah I'm not predicting a date yet, but it some you know, I that that seems like maybe a pretty Interesting guess there to come out before that game hits So, okay, so suddenly it's like when we think it might happen traditions as first two weeks of september sometime to 13th or before That seems to be what they've been doing um What do we actually think is going to be there because I think it's pretty safe to say every game coming out the rest of the year That we know of is going to probably be in it and so in some way even if it's just a sizzle reel Mentioned Pokemon Pokemon. They might not Pokemon might not be in there But that Pokemon is almost always separate from directs But the thing is they at least used to at least like it was like a quick little trailer um Based off what they did at E3 they might not even do that But when we just got we just got a present. So it's not a it's not a big deal, right? Yeah, not a not a big deal Pokemon company's fine advertising in their own game. So I'm not too worried about that We're gonna get like steady steady updates for both games leading up to both their releases Every week kind of like the dread reports, but whatever. Um, well, Pokemon's also under your ip so it gets around a bit more too Of course, of course, uh, the one things for sure. We're gonna get the final smash reveal We're supposed to So they did say that character is coming before the end of 2021. So it feels like well, they're gonna unveil it there last direct I I seem to be they can wait till the game or what they said. I agree. It should happen there I also get this feeling that while they said that Nintendo might logically go What if we push this character to 2022? To give smash a boost in spring before we are done now. No again. They said this year So I get it. You should expect it, but I also go It's the last one. Why would they want to milk it for even longer? You know No I mean sacro, ultimately, by the way, saccharide decides when I get something bailed.  It's just that simple I don't know if they're okay question They wanted They would announce more content So that so obviously the smash character Supposed to come out this year comes out whatever do you think they're done updating the game after that? Or do you think there'll still be more spirit events? more costumes coming out That's tough. I mean it there could be some I think there is a chance for like a final smash update So like they give us the reveal trailer in the september direct and later on into the year There's like that, you know the saccharide presents maybe just a few weeks later It is like a final smash update Maybe they add like one more mode or maybe they add a few alternate costumes or something like that I'm talking like forget this year next year. You think they're gonna keep adding small updates to the game I think I think they're pretty much done And that's it. Uh, I think what could happen though, and obviously I don't know but Uh, I think socra is just gonna move on. He already said this is it. We're done. I need to be around for costumes for me characters Let's be honest. It's not a balancing thing. All the me characters play the same depending on what class they are And I mean that's something that we'll sort of need to see like the final smash update for like in that final Socra presents he may announce something like that. It's like, hey, look, I'm done now But we'll be doing some there's gonna be at least like stability updates. They're still gonna do patches and things like that Um, that'll continue happening. I don't think sacra. Like will there be like any sort of Notable content upgrades or additions It would be interesting if they start doing alternate costumes Because like to your point that doesn't require like socra. I have like a lot of influence there He doesn't really need to be like play testing or anything like that um, so conceivably And that would be a nice way to sort of maintain the smash hype that consider it being characters Like hey, there's a final smash character, but you know, maybe for once in a while we'll release some Alternate costumes and then the speculation could then jump to oh, who's gonna get a costume this time, right? So that might be actually a smart way to kind of continue the smash hype a little bit Um, so I like that idea And it's also like smash is such a big game and it continues to just randomly appear in the top 10 sales charts and I'm kind of like There's not going to be another one this gen It's not like splatoon 2 or they're gonna be like all right. We're gonna be done because we have another one coming like I feel like keeping it Relevant to keep the fan base interacting with it. I think might be something they continue to do but again this if they Instead of because sakurai is involved in a lot of like the character stuff Oh, yeah, have what if they released like a pack of stages I In different stages because he didn't probably won't have to be there for building stages per se I mean when you look at it too. He mentioned that he has been doing So he used to do every single thing about balancing characters and like he won't let anyone else do it He mentioned in some of his fabitsu columns He started to back off that a bit where he doesn't do everything And he said that's because I can't be making smash forever One it's physically people all know what his hand issues and everything if you know anything about sakurai He's sacrifice his health for smash. I'm more than So he's even said I can't physically do it forever and also like I'm not going to make smash forever So I need to like train other people to be able to do it So it's in good hands when I no longer do it It's almost like training people so he can move on someday And this was the first time that he's actually done that and backed off a little bit where he doesn't do All of it so it's possible. He might not even be involved in the stage making at all Maybe he does like final testing of it and make some notes, you know that he throws back at him But I don't know that he even makes the stages anymore I think he's been just more of a guiding hand that final test Character movesets and then just says nope. This doesn't work Redo this because I think he's we haven't heard any stories about him breaking down and going to hospitals over his hands or anything because he has been doing less of that so Again, but that's also setting up smash to succeed beyond him because it's also We could go on a whole podcast on smash like what we even think the future can even possibly look like for that franchise because Yeah, ultimate kind of feels like It's the end. That's the end But it's too popular of a series to be the end. So Um, we'll see what happens. Um, but that's kind of let's kind of set the smash to the side I feel like we've been talking about this a lot and the only thing I will mention about it is Who do you think's getting revealed? Oh god, I don't even know I haven't even had a chance to think about that. Who do you want revealed then? What character do you want and smash? I already got banjo. So, um, I have a plate smash Ah, gosh, I mean conquer would be awesome. There we go. I mean conquer. I don't I don't see it coming We didn't see banjo coming. So who knows yeah Uh, andres, what character do you think will be added or want to be added or both?  So there's that's that's what it's gonna be Um, what I think sort of makes sense Is further to be another metroid character revealed maybe a chozo maybe emmy It would be in the september direct right before dread. It would help to sort of support all the hype and marketing even doing Conceivably I could see that happening. Uh, I'm sure some people are like, oh, what if it's a pokemon? Not out of the question, but I don't think so um I like to think that fire spice volume two will end with three nintendo characters three third party characters, but They may end on a third party character and I'll tell you now that it's at the end While I would love for there to be another metroid character I wouldn't mind it if they got in one more kind of character that like a lot of people have been really wanting for a long time Um, personally if there's just one more character they could put in that I think would be Absolutely fitting more than any other It would be rayman. Why because rayman has been wanted and requested For so many years and nintendo and ubisoft have such a great relationship Is strange that of all the companies that have a playable character ubisoft doesn't so I feel like rayman Deserves to be that that final character But just because rayman deserves to be the final character doesn't mean he will be the final character But if you're asking what I want I want rayman so two things You really expect me to let it go that you just kind of Sort of hinted that you might know what the character is, but i'm not going to say it So i'm just going to go on this tangent of stuff. No, I don't know. I don't know I actually I mean the way you worded your initial start does that do not know I know something but Nope, so I'll just speculate on things that aren't going to happen I don't tell you spin doctrine I'm I'm for for those that watch pat mcaffee show I can't I can't just forget the word that just came go back and rewind the tape everyone He kind of said something there that's like yeah, but hey He does by the way he does this a lot if you ever listen to his podcast He'll like bring something up the oh wait, maybe I shouldn't be saying that so let me just spin this into I'm just being I'm trying to be as sincere as possible I do not know who the final character will be I do not know is that a political answer No, it's not Um now I will also say that occasionally I might know something Today is not that day Okay, I'm simply telling you based off based off my own intuition and history of trying to predict smash characters You almost always get it wrong So yeah Setting that aside, I do think by the way that it's going to be an ubisoft character I don't think it's going to be rayman And I think it's not going to be rayman because I don't think rayman's relevant anymore I think his relevancy is out the window. There's going to be hardcore fans that want him and that's fine But for the final smash character If they ask ubisoft what character do you want in the game? They ain't going to say rayman Rabbit or Rosalina I mean a rabbit character. I guess the rabbits are probably more relevant today than Then rayman himself is even though the rabbits originated from that series But reality is because of mario and rabbits rabbits are more relevant rabbits also got their own tv show rayman didn't So like rayman's relevancy is kind of gone by the way. I mean when's the last rayman game we even had But I'll also tell you relevancy isn't the soul deciding factor. So no, it's not um But I also think that if this is the final character which sakurai has said it is There's no more for characters coming that they're going to want to do something that's going to actually make fans exciting Exciting because there's been some of the more recent analysis haven't exactly Made people happy and it could be because they're saving the big one for the end And the big one by the way, this could be a first party nintendo character Nintendo wants to advertise, you know, whatever they want to go. It's nintendo It's like all the characters nintendo picked them all so part of the sakurai nintendo picked them So it could be a nintendo character a big one that people want from a major ip I mean, I would love if it's fire emblem just to troll everyone that would be hilarious I would love I mean I hope that the final cinematic trolls everyone into thinking it's a fire emblem character That would just be great And I haven't not be a fire emblem character for the whole time you think it's fire emblem That would be awesome.   I'm gonna like this like that's not what was gonna be announced right a lot of people like me just went nuts But the sales of that character like yeah, people buy the pack and get all of them But they also sell them individually.   And yes, by the way smash does add Like rayman and these characters that used to be super relevant and have a long history But they also sometimes add current day popular characters And that's you know, like when joker got added that was a current day popular character She didn't you know, she may have intensities are deeper right ip has been around even longer Persona spun off of that But it was a more modern character that got added. So I look at this as we haven't had a modern character added in a while So we really haven't it was soft character. They've been kind of digging into the well for a little bit And I feel like if you look at the this this pack one It it makes sense to be a nintendo character based on they just did two third parties in a row But that doesn't necessarily mean anything this whole ass pack could be mostly third parties. That's fine I do think it's going to be ubisoft because of that partnership and because how well marion rabbits did and I feel like there is um Ubisoft and nintendo have kind of always been a little a little a little good together. They've been good together. It's not like the ea Promising the world to nintendo with the we you and then just and then just pulling out because the we you wasn't What they thought it would be Ubisoft and nintendo they don't always get they by the way nintendo doesn't get most of ubisoft's games All their best selling games pretty much don't go to nintendo But ubisoft also makes a lot of pretty good exclusives for nintendo and they partner up a lot Well, yeah, they partner up a lot We also do get some of the older games and they remaster them like we got the assassin's screen stuff So like And that kind of gets me to a point despite costumes despite other things existing because we have seen That characters have been announced that have had content already in the game. That's happened We've had characters coming it used to be oh if there's content for said character in the game a costume An item or this or that they're not going to get announced for the game because they're already in Point-on-quote in the game I think An assassin from assassin's screens getting in Because that's an ip that's super relevant selling really really big and ubisoft would like if nintendo came them and said We want rayman, of course, they're going to say yes But ubisoft might go but like we would really like it to be this and we also have assassin's screen games on your platform So like I will tell you this There was already an assassin's screen me costume But that's what I noted. We have seen items costumes, etc. Haven't necessarily meant the characters can't come It's not a deconformation rare. It's rare But no, that's banjo kazooie I'm jesus I don't even want to think a rare of the couple other than again like see if these is really good And you know, it could be by the way, when did we get these it could be something Like you want to talk about big relevant current day and also old-school master chief throw master chief in the game like Oh, actually That would be massive If there is a character that can be added that would Qualify as a big final climactic reveal. It would be master chief Plus there's a new that is like the perfect timing It actually, um, so if there's a time for nintendo and microsoft to announce this rumored Uh, collaboration that's a little bit beyond the normal scope of their collaboration This would be it because I mean we just got confirmation but from phil spencer the game pass is not coming to switch So if we're not getting game pass, what is that collaboration? I think What what is the switch? What wouldn't it be crazy to me? Hold on. This will be even crazier because people have thought We don't need game pass as an example to get some of microsoft's games, right? And they're really pushing halo infinite What if in this direct because we haven't even got into what they're going to announce in this direct yet beside the smash carry Well, this is a good starting point What if and this is something I didn't even put in my video because I did a whole hey, what could what could they do? Is you know, we three all this other stuff What if The microsoft collaboration isn't just a master chief in smash. That's that's a big deal. That's a cool halo infinite It's going to make sense But what if it's also because the master chief collection is coming to switch natively? That's what I think Yeah, and so the dual announcement That that if okay, so when I say that's what I think I'm not saying that's 100% what's happening But that is like a logical thought process Yeah, if master chief is going to be that character, which I actually think there's a decent chance of Considering the rumors and such and that there needs to be something um I could see that and it would then bleed beautifully well into A master chief collection announcement as well Yep, and then microsoft would also love it. Oh microsoft get master chief sale But they'll also love it because it'll help push people to be like, okay halo. What's that next halo? Oh, it's halo infinite. Oh, do I have to buy an xbox? No, you could play it on your phone You could play it on your pc Just get game pass just get xcloud like it goes into everything microsoft is pushing By targeting a new audience to try to be like like nintendo tried to do with phone games Oh, we're going to put this game on phones and then release a new game on switch Now microsoft could be like look we've made a lot of money off of this. We're not really going to make any more It's already on game pass.  It's great for nintendo fans and it's great for microsoft Like people always say You know microsoft keeps giving to nintendo. What's nintendo going to give back? Advertising for halo infinite because you're going to have halo on the platform Oh god, so so the cinematic is going to be oh It's cinematic. I mean It's going to freak people out because by the way because the cinematic of its master chief is going to involve metroid And it's people are going to flip thinking it's metroid prime 4 Yes That would be another really nice thing to do Because they're probably going to talk about metroid later into the into the direct anyway Remember the last character reveal when it was ganondorf and people were like, oh, shit Is this like breath of the wild and then it wasn't yeah No, but they're still going to be one of those But there was still a lot of good cell stuff towards the end. So it was kind of teasing that right? Yeah Playing with our emotions because they know we expect metroid right So that makes a lot of sense not saying that we'll see prime 4 prime chosen in direct I think any of those all both of those things the early to see it is the game awards this year But even then that's kind of maybe a stretch um Yeah, uh, I I think we're on the same page though like that makes sense But again, there's so many possibilities that you know and what makes sense Is it always like what they do like it no one our luck it's going to end up being like Some dude from among us or something it's going to be like some random character None of us right now for monkey ball just gets dropped in Which by the way, I just want to say super monkey ball That's super monkey. It's going to be something nobody saw coming Some people are going to be happy and other people are going to be like really that's the last one We're getting I was like, oh, you weren't going to get your favorite character None of us. Oh wait, none of us are getting our favorite characters in smash Unless it's some already got that nobody's talking. I already I already no no smash ultimate has already done its job for me I got ridley. I got king k rule I got banjo and kazooie and then I got pyromanth from zing blade chronicles too like all of those characters were like The characters I always dreamed about getting and I got them all so Smash ultimate has proven itself to me to be the ultimate smash like they did its job the only other character that I'm like the care is rayman like just because of like Legacy and history like I feel like rayman should be there more than any other character From that perspective alone But then you know you get in master chief and I'm like, oh, that's pretty damn cool You know you can't it's like it's a master chief. So like nobody can deny. Okay. Like that's a big deal like that's Even if you don't like halo, it's like and it would you know what it would do It would also cement the sort of like marriage or relationship to Nintendo and Microsoft It would also make people go Oh So just because Phil Spencer's like game passing coming now. It doesn't mean it's never going to come It will feel more speculation It'll feel the well if Microsoft and Nintendo are willing to bring halo and really bring master chiefs Like, okay, like all bets are off for what happens in the future. Maybe we get all the scroll six on the next Nintendo platform You know, I could I could see again I have a hard time believing Nintendo will ever just let game pass as is be on a Nintendo platform I think some changes will have to be made down the line for yeah And by the way, yeah Since Phil Spencer kind of shut it down. I would say game pass probably isn't going to happen on this platform. Anyways, I think next gen We're on the same page the best bet for we're on the same page because I because I could see Nintendo and Microsoft A lot of their conversation around game pass being centered on xcloud and Nintendo trying to maybe Combine all their streaming games into some sort of service they could do in the future And Microsoft is like hey, you said service We do that you can let's make this work. Let's make something palpable I think part of the problem is infrastructure Right the infrastructure right now on the on the switch platform. It doesn't quite match up to what Microsoft wants with their platform But I mean to be honest, I would love a nintendo branded xbox live and just have that be the whole back end per switch But that's not gonna happen Nintendo isn't gonna I mean I would love for them to do it Charge the same money Microsoft does and then it's just a 50 50 split for both companies But and by the way, that would actually be more than switch online make some per month because that would be 30 bucks but Actually, we weigh more because that's 20 bucks a year. So like but still it's I just don't see I think we don't really know it's all behind the scenes crap that we're just all speculating. Yeah So let's get into the bigger grand or I have an idea. What's your idea for the for this cinematic though If it were if it was if it was master chief I like the trolling opening But at the some point in time when they just before they are announced to Just go to announce master chief. All of a sudden the screen just goes like something dramatic happens screen goes black And all of a sudden you hear the halo freaking oh That's how they would probably do it.  I assume they would do that. Oh, yeah One I believe it No, never mind. Oh, that's that's a good idea. That's a good idea. I like that We always come up with the crazy. I said remember when I said Remember when we had the whole how how reggie was gonna unveil the next system And then obviously they didn't do that because they were doing live events anymore But we speculated on a potential live event with things coming out of the floor Like but not obviously then they stopped doing live events. So it didn't really matter. Um Although those were fun back in the old podcast days Uh, that was back when there were still hope that nintendo would do live e3. They did You know that was before they stopped doing them All right, uh, so for the rest of this direct We talked a lot about smash What else do we think is going to happen? I'm gonna kick it to eric first before all the good ideas are taken Sports story Sports story. Okay. We haven't seen anything from it. Let's go on It's and it wasn't supposed to come in this year. It wasn't shown in indie world It's still listed as 2021 And nintendo paid for it to be made so that could be why it's not in the indie world. So Yeah, sports story We got a silk song update yet Yeah, right. Yeah, what is up with that game? We played a double of it at e3. It looks so polished and felt so yeah, haven't seen it since it's like it doesn't exist It's like vaporware, but it's not they said it's still real And I by the way, it's made by a really tiny team So I'm I mentioned this in another podcast episode. I think or maybe it was in a separate video I talk so much on my channel. I have no idea I'll say this The team is really small and I'm wondering if over this pandemic period if they've had any Covid issues that might have caused them to like just stop making the game And that's why we haven't heard it because they've been dealing with some health problems in the family Because it's literally like a three person team that makes a game So it's a very possible like one covid incident could just stop development Um, you know any family member doesn't even have to be them directly. So it's kind of a I can kind of understand if that happened That they would cause a delay But they did say it's still in development quite recently. It's just we're not going to show here We're not going to show it. Okay. Well, people just want to know like when are we going to see it? Oh, it's still in development. Don't worry about it It's going to come when it comes Um, any other games there? In sports, I didn't see the sports story coming. That's a good one. Good one I'd like to see a little bit more of uh, lego star wars Okay, actually more more But probably not going to happen because we just saw yeah, we just saw the game I don't know if it'll probably not that it comes out next year So I think we'll see potentially at like a spring direct before it comes out. I could see it maybe Yeah, because they did show it in a previous direct.  Do you think like metro prime 4 bayonetta 3 pop up here? Probably not maybe bayonetta I feel like well, I feel that people think bayonetta is gonna get unveiled before metro I'd I feel like yeah, some people are feeling I have a feeling that like I I've said this before I have a feeling that prime 4s would be Uh, e3 next year Okay Well, I think the one reason that uh people feel like Um bayonetta will be unveiled either now or maybe at the game awards Well, well game awards make sense because it was unveiled and initiated at the game awards So that's the whole connection there Plus, you know, nintendo feels like that game fits a broader audience And so it's a good way to draw attraction Um, but also I think it's because kamiya the director of the game Has got so frustrated with people asking about it and them continuing to give You know, hey developments going well and he literally said We would love to show the game nintendo Owns that game they decide when it's shown which made me feel like the game's ready. It's almost done Nintendo's just like keeping the bullet in the chamber to decide when are we going to time this And announce it and release it because I feel like kamiya got so frustrated people ask you like hey We'd love to show but it's not us it's nintendo and he hasn't really said anything and if you guys know kamiya He speaks his mind and nintendo knows intimately that he speaks his mind I'm sure he's probably already complained directly to nintendo that hey, why can't we show this game?  You own it. You decide when this time so By the way guys stop pestering him to for stop getting disappointed like there's that event There's that event happening where platinum's gonna show off games and it's not gonna be stop getting upset It's nintendo if anything pestering it's so Will nintendo unveil it at this september direct I don't think so personally I think game awards is a much higher chance of it because I don't think it's coming this year And now if it's going to release this year and it's going to be like a I do think I guess let me let me I'm gonna ask andres this he didn't know how I was going to unveil any new games We don't know about yet that are coming this year Not that are being published by nintendo unless it's like some sort of e-shop release Like no there will be no physical retail Games um that will be announced in the direct that will come out this year unless it's a smash ultimate complete edition Which is already a game that exists. It would just have the dlc Like that's the only thing That can maybe be announced. So it'll come out physically