r cameras this is only after leaving this theater of war that i took the measure of what i wanted to live when the information fell according to which a french television team had been killed by an explosive machine a mine in the same place where we found ourselves a few days earlier 1,500 people murdered and more than 3,000 injured and the war with hamas continues we bring you first-hand testimonies from the front lines from those who survived and all the records of the atrocities by hamas follow us as israel fights terror from the south and north get the inside scoop on what's going on only on i-24 news welcome to this special broadcast here on i-24 news as we continue our rolling coverage day 22 of the war here in israel the war and the fog of war sirens heard in the north the center and the south of israel ongoing rocket fire in the north our third terror squad eliminated today in southern lebanon after trying to launch anti-tank missiles towards israeli troops hezbollah claiming responsibility this hour in the west bank more arrests of hamas operatives in the south the idea of expanding action combined aerial and ground activity killing the heads of hamas's aerial and naval operations israeli prime minister benjamin itzanyahu said to meet families of over 229 israeli hostages this hour defense minister you have gallant wrapping up a security assessment saying the war is entering a new phase i've now completed the daily situation assessment i have summarized the directions of action regarding the main efforts the military effort the effort to free the hostages the civilian effort and the humanitarian effort we passed a stage in the war tonight the grounding guards are shook we attacked above ground and below ground we attack terrorist operatives at all levels in all places the instructions to the forces are clear the operation will continue until new orders are given in the other sectors we are preparing to protect the civilians of israel to maintain their safety we do this in the north in the center and everywhere else and joining us now we're in studio for further insight minister of failure shall me former senior intelligence officer and security analyst and of course our very own at 24 news a senior correspondent it's in your editor guy as real thank you to our gentlemen very much for joining us on this broadcast guy i do want to begin with you because this hour not something that was planned in advance israeli prime minister benjamin itzanyahu is going to meet representatives at least of the families of those who are still for 22 days are being held captive hostage by a hamas terrorist indagaza strip and this is due to their pressure or rather their the terminology here is is quite tricky their threats to escalate their protest their their demanding answers simply put guy yes literally i think emphasizes the urgency right now the very difficult time for these families as israel intensifies its operation in gaza not a wide scale of ground operation just yet but we have seen israeli troops entering gaza on on on a smaller scale last night but at the same time an increase in the airstrikes really applying more and more pressure on hamas and as a result the as a result the families are obviously extremely concerned because we know very well that those kidnapped israelis those civilians those children those elderly those women are being held in the tunnels together with hamas operatives who are hiding there last night they publish this morning they publish a statement saying that they are obviously suffering anxiety and frustration not knowing what's happening they demanded to meet the security cabinet you have gallant the defense minister promised to meet them tomorrow and in the recent development netanyahu is meeting them at this very hour and just to explain to our viewers what is the situation right now israel really has to decide whether it has a choice between two two difficult choices right now the first is to go ahead with some sort of an agreement some sort of a deal with hamas for the release of these kidnapped at least some of them that hamas will be willing to release and on the other hand the other option is to go ahead with this planned operation this ground operation and then hope that based on the success and the results that massive operation that hamas will be more willing more inclined to go for a deal and to bring to the release of those prisoners and hamas on its side once fuel it once release of prisoners it has many other demands that israel for now is not willing to pay the price but time is ticking obviously and yet perhaps more than at any point in time before notions existing notions are being challenged assessed and then reassessed and assessed again and if in the earlier days of the war there was this notion that one necessarily contradicts the other as in a ground operation and hostage release cannot come hand in hand now this notion appears at least to be changing in the sense that it becomes quite clear that part of hamas's manipulation facilitated surprise surprise by katar there is an attempt to stall any activity or action on behalf of israel and the best way to do it is to to try and capital is on on the weakness and strength of israel the moral backbone right in this respect my question to you mr yoroshami is whether the way to apply pressure on hamas in a bit to release hostages cannot or should not be made through a ground operation or ground activity and say that for now we stop one thing hamas was playing for time okay they were there negotiating we have time the americans were asking us to hold our horses while they negotiate give a chance to the diplomatic channels which we did and then we noticed that it became a tool a tool to delay the ground operation a tool to play for time and the at first people accepted to to play that game even the israelis in the vague hope but unfortunately you saw the results out after three weeks of this war we have only four hostages liberated there are 230 left there the question is do we want to accept this little by little liberation of hostages this cynical use of the hostages while we have leverage because apart from the muscle approach that might intimidate the hamas or even frighten them enough to ask for a ceasefire temporary ceasefire force them to liberate some hostages we have other leverage we have the prisoners the terrorists that we hold in our jails we were just arrested another thousand in the west bank from the beginning of the war we've got now seven eight thousand people that we can exchange for 230 israelis and we also have and this year has not been used and i regret it hasn't but that's a little because of the international community's pressure the humanitarian aid we should not allow the humanitarian aid to enter gaza until the hamas gives out the hostages the hamas is responsible for what is happening they're not us so why are we asked to do the job we are we have our priority it's to liberate these hostages this is the number one priority so we have enough leverage we can apply force because we see that the bargaining the diplomatic channel this doesn't work the katar and they're lying through their teeth all the way so we have no choice unfortunately we have no choice that to go the strong way yeah you know and this last issue you addressed mr ishalmi is just mind-blowing no other country on this planet other than israel would have been put in this situation um uh a force to provide humanitarian aid to the enemy that wants to to to eliminate if i made one sentence this is the shawar replay replayed again yes it's first of all a selection of people and the hostages and and many comparisons but we'll get back to that in a second we just want to jump up north to get the latest uh from there because uh even uh relative calm is is extremely deceiving uh at this point in time my 24 news correspondent hamda salhout with the 24 news team there on the israel uh lebanon border hamda has bala claiming responsibility for the attempts to launch entire tank missiles at israeli troops today that's correct his bala has announced that they've targeted several israeli positions and the israeli military in retaliation hitting several his bala cells inside lebanese territory these kind of tit-for-tat exchanges of fire have been continuous since october 7th and i want to point to an interview that the iranian foreign minister gave yesterday to npr saying that groups like his bala are poised with their finger on the trigger and he said quote if the situation and women and children and civilians are killed in gaza and the west bank anything will be possible this is a sentiment the iranians have been echoing for weeks now since the start of the war but we haven't really seen a larger involvement we've also heard from hamas in the last few days that have been saying they're hoping the hezbollah response will be bigger and that's because the weapons capabilities that hezbollah possesses is much greater than what palestine infactions operating out of southern lebanon have and additionally what hamas has inside of the gaza strip so while all eyes are on the southern front waiting for that inevitable in israeli ground incursion and operation inside of the gaza strip we're looking to see that that can actually shift how the northern front will develop how it will open and how the israelis will continuously respond to that so a lot to look out for at this hour while there is a quiet it's a tense calm that we have repeatedly been discussing so the situation is evolving it's ever-changing this is a war it is a dynamic situation and as to what other types of third parties could be involved it's really just a wait-and-see type of game ellie dynamic evolving and you i-24 news correspondent hummus al-hut keeping an eye on all those developments underground thank you very much hummus al-hut for this much more from humda later on in the evening of course back here in the studio with mr. failure shall me and i-24 news that um uh senior correspondent guy israel uh i do want us to take a listen to yet another plea uh of the idfs spokesperson with the idea of essentially begging uh northern residents of the gaza strip to move south where humanitarian shelters are already up and running food medicine water everything they need is there but hummus continues to proactively prevent them from doing so let's take a listen to this message by the idea of spokesperson uh this afternoon we urge all residents of northern gaza and gaza city to relocate south immediately this is a temporary measure moving back to northern gaza will be possible once the intense hostilities end hummus puts your life in danger by placing weapons and forces within civilians area in gaza including schools masks and hospitals the impending idf operation is said to neutralize these threats of hamas with precision and intensity humanities remains haunted by the massacre unleashed by hamas on october 7th a massacre of innocent lives israeli men women children and babies were beheaded executed raped and burnt alive we won't forget that and the kidnapping of over 200 israelis we will not forget to the residents of northern gaza and gaza city your window to act is closing move south for your own safety move south this is not a mere precaution it is an urgent plea for the safety of the civilians back here in studio gentlemen this statement joins what was known here in israel for a long while and now revealed to the world that the shifa hospital the biggest hospital in the gaza strip in gaza city is being used by hummus as a main headquarters underneath the hospital physically literally a main hamas headquarters and this is a new york times report indicating that hamas has stored up enough fuel and food and water and whatever else it needs to pursue its a terrorist activities for four months of fighting guy yes obviously the idf and i think many israelis knew for so many years about that use of hamas of civilian infrastructure of such sensitive sites like hospitals and schools etc but it's important for israel to emphasize that to the world both with this message from the idf spokesman this time in in english but that message obviously was conveyed in the arabic language to the local residents also using pamphlets using phone calls the idf is doing whatever it can to persuade those residents that haven't moved to do so it also releases in the past hour segments from interrogations of hamas operatives released just this hour about that use about the fact that hamas terrorists whenever they need to hide they go under the hospital as simple as that and perhaps obviously that is a preparation ahead of something that israel will have to do and that's why stressing the importance of removing those innocent people from the hospital and the need to target hamas as it's hiding in those very sensitive sites we saw the false accusation of the israeli strike on the hospital that turned out to be a failed launch of the palestinian militants the palestinian terrorists in gaza we saw what sort of international outrage and damage that was when it wasn't even israel's fault not to mention all the other misconceptions that was represented there at the end of the day should israel engage in an operation against the terrorists under the hospital it does and it will do whatever it takes to remove everyone from there and speaking of what israel is doing and should be doing and will be doing we want to jump down south i-24 news correspondent robert swift with the i-24 news team there on the ground robert the idf indicating that what we've seen in the past couple of nights likely to persist those in and outs of troops and tanks surgical operations if you will not the war 2.0 but war 1.5 if you will yeah that's right the the operation here definitely is escalating at the minute where if i'll step to the side and you'll be able to see the smoke screen that the israeli artillery have just been deploying if you can see all that smoke especially the white billowing clouds those that is a cloud of smoke which has been deployed by artillery shells there's a artillery position just to the south of us which has been firing constantly i'd say two or three rounds per minute and some of those rounds were smoke but some of them i suspect were high explosive rounds and this goes to show that the that the operation here on the ground is is stepping up because israel hasn't needed to deploy smoke in this way before when it deploy smoke like this this is to enable its troops to move using the smoke as a screen so this is possibly troops looking to extract from that area or possibly using the smoke is covered to push more troops in and this all takes place whilst over our heads there are jets there are drones and this is all part of the escalating actions that we're seeing here as israel steps up the ground operation literally the fog of war and robert as we speak another round of rockets being fired from the fellowship towards israel red sirens being heard in several bedouin villages in the southern part of the negative desert several bedouin villages are now not residents rather not even rushing to shelter because there are no shelters there we've seen several bedouin fatalities since the beginning of the war and this is still and going rocket fire all day long from the strip to the south end center of israel robert briefly before we let you go we have seen the assassinations of hamas leaders continue overnight as well we're talking about the leaders of the aerial and naval operations of hamas that's right the israeli military has been using airstrikes and intelligence in order to try and take out the some of the key commanders as well as those commanders that you mentioned and previously in the last few days they've also taken out important intelligence officials as well as as well as battalion commanders they're trying to reduce the command and control of the hamas infantry groups you could call them and this is all part of the preparations before they go on the ground if they can remove the command elements of these units then it'll make it easier to fight them yeah and we're hearing the artillery sound yeah yeah of course we can i think it is well heard all over the region my 24 news correspondent robert swift thank you for this and stay safe of course much more from robert swift later on in the evening back here in studio with mr farah ushal me guy israel mr you're showing me we're likely to see more of these in and out so to speak in the coming days and obviously we cannot say much because part or one of the tools that that are being used now is exactly that this ambiguity what seems to us ambiguous not at all for the army yes it's uh i feel crab in hebrew fog in here the fog of war and that's very very useful uh first of all the fog of war is also for the enemy meaning that we have disrupted first of all the chain of command that is what obliges some of the commanders to come out of their bunkers on their holes because they cannot give orders and regroup their troops without physically appearing it doesn't have to come out we have disrupted the chain of communication and we have separated different battalions and brigades from one from the other so right now we the traditional strategy of the idea for us always in the former rounds to separate the north from the south to cut the Gaza Strip into in this particular instance we are actually separating neighborhoods uh during the last hours the different neighborhoods and refugee camps have been attacked they've been dealt with separately and according to the terrain because some areas in Gaza Strip are residential other are industrial areas other are poor areas so the operation is different but also you isolate one from the other these brigades cannot coordinate so all these weekends uh operationally and structurally the the troops and of course uh because of that uh as we saw they have to move around they have to come out of the bunker I just want to say that even though they have four months of supplies there are two things first of all we can wait four months we'll wait four months and then they'll come out and then we'll get them yeah but we also need the participation of the egyptian this matter because out of 500 kilometers of underground tunnels in Gaza there's a few going towards Sinai and they might escape towards Sinai and we just would like the egyptians to pick now and the other side would they escape you know the leaders of the Hamas are not brave people they are cowards and when they will see that the the situation gets very bad they will escape one way or another they will not stay they will let everybody else die of course so we can wait the four months as well so long as they're under the ground would not be for the hostages we could do a lot more things we could bury them alive we could asphyxiate them in the tunnels you know you need air you can have a lot of fuel and a lot of food but if you don't have air that's it so unfortunately we cannot do it because we might kill the very people we want to save so our hostages that's the problem yeah guy yes um as we speak about the Israeli operations and we heard uh with our own camera with our own uh ears the ongoing battles the Israeli troops engaged in this war and we've seen the an amazing turnout as well of the Israeli reservists I think Israeli civilians the Israeli military all understand the importance of the hour right the what we're facing and the IDF has released a recording we'll play to you right now of the commander of the IDF's seventh armed brigade his name is Elad Suri he speaks to his soldiers on the radio emphasizing both the tasks ahead and why they are there and let's let's take a listen certainly hearing it in Hebrew from the voice of this commander you can you cannot stay indifferent to it I will say that that is an original recording by one of the soldiers it was not even officially released by the by the IDF and what really stands out there is the mention of Yom Kippur war anyone who knows Israel what is this channel really knows what Yom Kippur war means for Israeli civilians what sort of national trauma that was to this day and what trauma we have just faced 22 days ago 50 years plus a day since the 1970s even even worse than that of Yom Kippur with the severe damage the severe casualties to Israeli civilians to the Israeli population in their very homes I think the soldiers knew very well but to hear it from their commander in their tanks as they're about to enter Gaza last night it tells the whole story tells the story of the state of Israel now emphasizes the emergency situation that we're in and again if if if anything the the it's on the one hand the scope the scale the intensity the depth of the horror but at the same time the scope the scale the intensity the depth of the heroism the spirit that we're seeing it's just you know transcends it all I think it's important to emphasize here because it will be discussed the fact that many in the world are calling for a ceasefire and there's nothing that Israel wanted more than calm on its border with Gaza Israel did everything possible to maintain calm on the Gaza Strip completely ignoring the fact that Hamas continued to fire rockets and to prepare this and there's not the last thing that Israeli mothers want is for their children to risk their lives and you know tragically enough at those it is those exact border communities who were considered to be on the Israeli left peace-seeking employing those Gazans that entered their communities in order to collect intelligence to massacre them on October 7th so again we will have a lot of time to talk about that the misconceptions the new conceptions but more than all the Israeli sphere one of the many many tragedies of this event yes all right and and all the swallows who speak a mass protest in Istanbul for example with the Turkish president Rajip Tayyip Erdogan not sparing and the anti-Semitic remarks so if there's any silver lining in this darkness is that the forces of evil and the forces of light are getting clear more than ever before Mr. Afali Oshalmi and Guy Israel thank you very much gentlemen for joining us on this broadcast this is it for us for now but at the top of the hour Guy Israel will continue our rolling coverage day 22 of the war here in Israel thank you for watching Israel is at war make an investment in Israel bonds it is the most powerful and direct way to stand with Israel visit israelbonds.com and invest now from Israel with dozens of correspondence throughout the world brings the truth from Israel to hundreds of millions of people in scores of countries completely sundown in their best bringing Israel's story to the world by 24 news channels these kids innocent kids who are now in some tunnel in Gaza who knows what's happened to them kids who saw their parents being shot and then were kidnapped into Gaza welcome to this special broadcast here on i-24 news as we continue our rolling coverage day 22 of the war here in Israel the war and the fog of war sirens heard in the north the center and the south of israel ongoing rocket fire in the north that third terror squad eliminated today in southern Lebanon after trying to launch anti-tank missile source israeli troops hezbollah claiming responsibility this hour in the west bank more arrests of hamas operatives in the south the idea of expanding action combined aerial and ground activity killing the heads of hamas aerial and naval operations israeli prime minister bandra minis and yaw said to meet families of over 229 israeli hostages uh this uh our defense minister you have gallant wrapping up a security assessment saying the war is entering a new phase i've now completed the daily situation assessment i have summarized the directions of action regarding the main efforts the military effort the effort to free the hostages the civilian effort and the humanitarian effort we passed the stage in the war tonight the grounding guards are shook we attacked above ground and below ground we attack terrorist operatives at all levels in all places the instructions to the forces are clear the operation will continue until new orders are given in the other sectors we are preparing to protect the civilians of israel to maintain their safety we do this in the north in the center and everywhere else and joining us now we are in studio for further insight i'm mr. filial you're showing me former senior intelligence officer and security analyst and of course our very own at 24 news senior uh correspondents in your editor guy israel thank you turn to him and very much for joining us on this broadcast guy i do want to begin with you because this hour um not something that was planned in advance israeli prime minister benja minis and yaw is going to meet uh representatives at least of the families of those who are still for 22 days are being held captive hostage by a hamas terrorist in the gaza strip and this is uh due to their pressure or rather their the terminology here is is quite tricky their their threats to escalate their protest their demanding answers simply put guy yes literally i think emphasizes the urgency right now the very difficult time for these families as israel intensifies its operation in gaza not a wide scale ground operation just yet but we have seen israeli troops entering gaza uh on on um on a smaller scale last night but at the same time an increase in the airstrikes really applying more and more pressure on hamas and as a result the as a result the families are obviously extremely concerned because we know very well that those kidnapped israelis those is civilians those children those elderly those women are being held in the tunnels together with hamas operatives who are hiding there uh last night they publish uh this morning they publish a statement saying uh that uh they are obviously suffering anxiety and frustration not knowing what's happening uh they demanded to meet the security cabinet yaw galant the defense minister uh promised to meet them tomorrow and in the recent development netanyahu is meeting them at this very hour and just to explain to our viewers what is the situation right now israel really has to decide whether uh it has a choice between two two difficult choices right now the first is to go ahead with some sort of an agreement some sort of a deal with hamas for the release of these kidnapped at least some of them that hamas will be willing to release and on the other hand the other option is to go ahead with this planned operation this ground operation and then hope that based on the success and the results of that massive operation that hamas will be more willing more inclined to go for a deal and to bring to the release of those prisoners and hamas on its side once fuel it once release of prisoners uh it has many other demands that israel for now is not willing to pay the price but time is ticking obviously and yet um uh perhaps more than um at any point in time before um notions existing notions are being challenged assessed and then reassessed and assessed again uh and if in the earlier days of the war uh there was this um notion that one necessarily contradicts the other as in a ground operation and hostage release cannot come hand in hand now this notion appears at least to be changing in the sense that it becomes quite clear that part of hamas's manipulation um facilitated surprise surprise by katar um there isn't an attempt to stall any um activity or or action on behalf of israel and the best way to do it is to to try and capitalize on on the weakness and strength of israel the moral backbone right in this respect my question to you um mr uh yoroshami is whether the way to apply pressure on hamas in a bit to release hostages cannot or should not be made through ground operation or ground activity at least let's say that for now we stopped one thing hamas was playing for time okay they were there negotiating we have time the americans were asking us to hold our horses while they negotiate give a chance to the diplomatic channels which we did and then we noticed that uh it became a tool a tool to delay the ground operation a tool to play for time and the at first people accepted to to play that game even the israelis in the vague hope but unfortunately you saw the results uh out after three weeks of this war we have only four hostages liberated there are 230 left there uh the question is do we want to accept this little by little liberation of hostages this cynical use of the hostages while we have leverage because apart from the muscle approach that might intimidate the hamas or even frighten them enough to ask for ceasefire temporary ceasefire and force them to liberate some hostages we have other leverage we have the prisoners the terrorists that we hold in our jails we have just arrested another thousand in the west bank from the beginning of the war we've got now seven eight thousand people that we can exchange for 230 israelis and we also have and this has not been used and i regret it hasn't but that's a little because of the international community's pressure the humanitarian aid we should not allow the humanitarian aid to enter gaza until the hamas gives out the hostages the hamas is responsible for what is happening there not us so why are we asked to do the that job we are we have our priority it's to liberate these hostages this is the number one priority so we have enough leverage we can apply force because we see that the bargaining the diplomatic channel this doesn't work the katar and they're lying through their teeth all the way so we have no choice unfortunately we have no choice that to go the strong way yeah you know and this last issue you addressed mr shalmi is just mind blowing no other country on this planet other than israel would have been put in this situation forced to provide humanitarian aid to the enemy that wants to to to eliminate if i made one sentence this is the shawar replay replayed again yes it's first of all a selection of people and the hostages and and many comparisons we'll get back to that in a second we just want to jump up north to get the latest from there because even relative calm is is extremely deceiving at this point in time my 2040s correspondent hamda salhout with the 24 news team there on the israel uh lebanon border hamda hezbollah claiming responsibility for the attempts to launch entire tank missiles at israeli troops today that's correct hezbollah has announced that they've targeted several israeli positions in the israeli military in retaliation hitting several hezbollah cells inside lebanese territory these kind of tit-for-tat exchanges of fire have been continuous since october 7th and i want to point to an interview that the iranian foreign minister gave yesterday to npr saying that groups like hezbollah are poised with their finger on the trigger and he said quote if the situation and women and children and civilians are killed in gaza and the west bank anything will be possible this is a sentiment the iranians have been echoing for weeks now since the start of the war but we haven't really seen a larger involvement we've also heard from hamas in the last few days that have been saying they're hoping the hezbollah response will be bigger and that's because the weapons capabilities that hezbollah possesses is much greater than what palestinian factions operating out of southern lebanon have and additionally what hamas has inside of the gaza strip so while all eyes are on the southern front waiting for that inevitable in israeli ground incursion and operation inside of the gaza strip we're looking to see that that can actually shift how the northern front will develop how it will open and how the israelis will continuously respond to that so a lot to look out for at this hour while there is a quiet it's a tense calm that we have repeatedly been discussing so the situation is evolving it's ever changing this is a war it is a dynamic situation and as to what other types of third parties could be involved it's really just a wait and see type of game ellie dynamic evolving and you i-24 news correspondent hamda selhut keeping an eye on all those developments underground thank you very much hamda selhut for this much more from hamda later on in the evening of course back here in the studio with mr. filial shall me and i-24 news senior correspondent gai israel i do want us to take a listen to yet another plea uh of the idfs spokesperson with the idea of essentially begging uh northern residents of the gaza strip to move south where humanitarian shelters are already up and running food medicine water everything they need is there but hamas continues to proactively prevent them from doing so let's take a listen to this message by the id of spokesperson uh this afternoon we urge all residents of northern gaza and gaza city to relocate south immediately this is a temporary measure moving back to northern gaza will be possible once the intense hostilities end hamas puts your life in danger by placing weapons and forces within civilians area in gaza including schools masks and hospitals the impending idf operation is said to neutralize these threats of hamas with precision and intensity humanities remains haunted by the massacre unleashed by hamas on october 7th a massacre of innocent lives israeli men women children and babies were beheaded executed raped and burned alive we won't forget that and the kidnapping of over 200 israelis we will not forget to the residents of northern gaza and gaza city your window to act is closing move south for your own safety move south this is not a mere precaution it is an urgent plea for the safety of the civilians here in studio gentlemen this statement joins what was known here in israel for a long while and now revealed to the world that the shifa hospital the biggest hospital in the gaza strip in gaza city is being used by hamas as a main headquarters underneath the hospital physically literally amena hamas headquarters and this is a new york times report indicating that hamas has stored up enough fuel and food and water and whatever else it needs to pursue its a terrorist activities for four months of fighting guy yes obviously the idf and i think many israelis knew for so many years about that use of hamas of civilian infrastructure of such sensitive sites like hospitals and schools etc but it's important for israel to emphasize that to the world both with this message from the idf spokesman this time in in english but that message obviously was conveyed in the arabic language to the local residents also using pamphlets using phone calls the idf is doing whatever it can to persuade those raid residents that haven't moved to do so it also releases in the past hour segments from interrogations of hamas operatives released just this hour about that use about the fact that hamas terrorists whenever they need to hide they go under the hospital as simple as that and perhaps obviously that is a preparation ahead of something that israel will have to do and that's why stressing the importance of removing those innocent people from the hospital and the need to target hamas as it's hiding in those very sensitive sites we saw the false accusation of the israeli strike on the hospital that turned out to be a failed launch of the palestinian militants the palestinian terrorists in gaza we saw what sort of international outrage and damage that was when it wasn't even israel's fault not to mention all the other misconceptions that was represented there at the end of the day should israel engage in an operation against the terrorists under the hospital it does and it will do whatever it takes to remove everyone from there and speaking of what israel is doing and should be doing and will be doing we want to jump down south that 24 news correspondent robert swift with the i-24 news team there on the ground robert the idf indicating that what we've seen in the past couple of nights likely to persist those in and outs of troops and tanks surgical operations if you will not the war 2.0 but war 1.5 if you will yeah that's right the the operation here definitely is escalating at the minute where if i'll step to the side and you'll be able to see the smoke screen that the israeli artillery have just been deploying if you can see all that smoke especially the white billowing clouds those that is a cloud of smoke which has been deployed by artillery shells there's a artillery position just to the south of us which has been firing constantly i'd say two or three rounds per minute and some of those rounds were smoke but some of them i suspect were high explosive rounds and this goes to show that the that the operation here on the ground is is stepping up because israel hasn't needed to deploy smoke in this way before when it deploy smoke like this this is to enable its troops to move using the smoke as a screen so this is possibly troops looking to extract from that area or possibly using the smoke is covered to push more troops in and this all takes place whilst over our heads there are jets there are drones and this is all part of the escalating actions that we're seeing here as israel stepped up the ground operation literally the fog of war and robert as we speak another round of rockets being fired from the fellowship towards israel red sirens being heard in several bedouin villages in the southern part of the negative desert several bedouin villages are now not residents rather not even rushing to shelter because there are no shelters there we've seen several bedouin fatalities since the beginning of the war and this is still ongoing rocket fire all day long from the strip to the south end center of israel robert briefly before we let you go we have seen the assassinations of ahamas leaders continue overnight as well we're talking with the leaders of the aerial and naval operations of hamas that's right the israeli military has been using airstrikes and intelligence in order to try and take out the some of the key commanders as well as those commanders that you mentioned and previously in the last few days they've also taken out important intelligence officials as well as as well as battalion commanders they're trying to reduce the command and control of the hamas infantry groups you could call them and this is all part of the preparations before they go on the ground if they can remove the command elements of these units then it'll make it easier to fight them yeah and we're hearing the artillery sound yeah yeah of course we can i think it is well heard all over the region my 24 news correspondent robert swift thank you for this and stay safe of course much more from robert swift later on in the evening back here in studio with mr faryoshalmi guy israel mr irishalmi we're likely to see more of these in and out so to speak in the coming days and obviously we cannot say much because part or one of the tools that are being used now is exactly that this ambiguity what seems to us ambiguous not at all for the army yes it's uh i feel crab in hebrew and fog in here fog of war and that's very very useful first of all the fog of war is also for the enemy meaning that we have disrupted first of all the chain of command that is what obliges some of the commanders to come out of their bunkers on their holes because they cannot give orders and regroup their troops without physically appearing they have to come out we have disrupted the chain of communication and we have separated different battalions and brigades from one from the other so right now we did the traditional strategy of the idea was always in the former rounds to separate the north from the south to cut the gaza strip into in this particular instance we're actually separating neighborhoods uh during the last hours the different neighborhoods and refugee camps have been attacked they've been dealt with separately and according to the terrain because some areas in a gaza strip are residential other are industrial areas or there are poor areas so the operation is different but also you isolate one from the other these brigades cannot coordinate so all these weekends uh operationally and structurally the the troops and of course uh because of that the as i we saw they have to move around they have to come out of the bunker i just want to say that even though they have four months of supplies there are two things first of all we can wait four months we'll wait four months and then they'll come out and then we get them yeah but we also need the participation of the egyptian this matter because out of 500 kilometers of underground tunnels in gaza there's a few going towards Sinai and they might escape towards Sinai's and we just would like the egyptians to pick now on the other side would they escape you know the the leaders of the Hamas are not brave people they are cowards and when they will see that the the situation gets very bad they will escape one way or another they will not stay they will let everybody else die of course so we can wait the four months as well so long as they're under the ground uh would not be for the hostages we could do a lot more things we could bury them alive we could asphyxiate them in the tunnels you know you need air you can have a lot of fuel and a lot of food but if you don't have air that's it so unfortunately we cannot do it because we might kill the very people we want to save so our hostages that's the problem yeah guy yes um as we speak about the israeli operations and we heard uh with our own camera with our own uh ears the ongoing battles the israeli troops engaged in this war and we've seen the an amazing turnout as well of the israeli reservists i think israeli civilians the israeli military all understand the um importance of the hour right the um what we're facing and the idf has released a recording uh we'll uh play to you right now of the commander of the idf's seventh armed brigade his name is elad suri he speaks to his soldiers on the radio um emphasizing both the tasks ahead and why they are there and let's let's take a listen certainly hearing it uh in hebrew uh from the voice of this commander uh you can you cannot stay indifferent to it i will say that that this uh an original recording by one of the soldiers that was not even officially released by the by the idf and what really stands out there is the mention of yom kippur war anyone who knows israel watches this channel really knows what yom kippur war means for israeli civilians what sort of national trauma that was to this day and uh what trauma we have just faced 22 days ago uh 50 years plus a day since the 1970s even even worse than that of yom kippur with the severe damage the severe casualties to israeli civilians to the israeli population in their very homes i think the soldiers knew very well but uh to hear it from their commander in their tanks as they're about to enter gaza last night uh it tells the whole story it tells the story of the state of israel now emphasizes the emergency situation that we're in and and again if if if anything the the it's on the one hand the scope the scale the intensity the depth of the horror but at the same time the scope the scale the intensity the depth of the heroism the spirit that we're seeing is just you know transcends at all i think it's important to emphasize here because uh it will be discussed the fact that many in the world are calling for a ceasefire and there's nothing that israel wanted more than calm on its border with gaza israel did not initiate israel did everything possible to maintain calm on the gaza strip completely ignoring the fact that hamas continued to fire rockets and put to prepare this and there's not the last thing that israeli mothers want is for their children to risk their lives and and you know tragically enough at those it is those exact border communities who were considered to be on the israeli left uh peace seeking employing those gaza that entered their communities in order to collect intelligence to massacre them on october 7th um so again we will have a lot of time to talk about that um the the misconceptions the new conceptions but more than all the israeli spear one of the many many tragedies of this event yes um all right and and all this while as we speak a mass protest in istanbul for example with the turkish president rajeeb tape erdogan not sparing and the anti-semitic remarks so if there's any silver lining in this darkness is that the forces of evil and the forces of light are getting clear more than ever uh before mr afaelio shalmi and guys real thank you very much gentlemen for joining us on this broadcast this is it for us for now but at the top of the hour guys will will continue our rolling coverage day 22 of the war here in israel thank you for watching well is officially in a state of war this is a very active scene and we need to get in the car as we're talking within 100 soldiers and civilians have been kidnapped we don't know what to do we just don't know anything entire families including babies and children and elderly were butchered in their beds awaken the giant and we are ready and we are strong everyone is showing up this is the unity the american red wolf is the most endangered wolf in the entire world and it the american red wolf is the only wolf that is only native to the united states and in that regards they should be a national treasure so it is a privilege to be able to provide their medical care and it's very important for people to be aware of the species and want to understand them so that they can be protected in the wild and not go extinct come to this special broadcast here on i24 news as we continue our rolling coverage day 22 of israel's war against hamas in gaza 22 days after the horrific onslaught resulting in the slaughter of 1400 israelis on october 7 some of the worst atrocities committed in modern times and the worst massacre of jewish people since the holocaust today sirens heard in the north the center and the south of israel ongoing rocket fire a third terror squad eliminated today in southern lebanon after trying to launch an anti-tank missile toward israeli troops in the west bank more arrests of hamas operatives and in the south the idea of expanding action combined aerial and ground activity killing the heads of hamas' aerial and naval operations at this very hour israeli prime minister benjamin etenyao meeting the families of at least 229 israelis most of them civilians held at the hands of the hamas terror group meanwhile israeli defense minister yav galant wrapping up a security assessment saying the war is entering a new phase i've now completed the daily situation assessment i have summarized the directions of action regarding the main efforts the military effort the effort to free the hostages the civilian effort and the humanitarian effort we passed a stage in the war tonight the grounding guards are shook we attacked above ground and below ground we attack terrorist operatives at all levels in all places the instructions to the forces are clear the operation will continue until new orders are given in the other sectors we are preparing to protect the civilians of israel to maintain their safety we do this in the north in the center and everywhere else israeli defense minister yav galant speaking there let's take you now to israel's northern border where 24 news corresponded hamda salhut is standing by for us hamda attends calm if you can call what we're experiencing in the north now calm but it comes as the hezbollah terror group is claiming responsibility for attempting to fire towards israel well look the exchanges of fire have been continuous between the israeli military and hezbollah today siren sounding in parts of northern israel and that's because the israeli military said it was due to anti tank fire from the lebanese side the military responding with artillery getting rid of the artillery units here we could there's actually been just a boom in the distance behind us here but we're not really sure um what it is but it is the continuous exchanges of fire here now the israeli military has been clear that they will respond to any sort of aggression into their territory hezbollah has also been clear that they're ready with their finger on the trigger for a larger scale operation but that simply hasn't happened yet the israelis have been receiving pressure from the united states both publicly and privately to urge all parties to remain calm urging them not to have a larger preemptive strike inside lebanese territory that could turn into a larger scale war now the situation at the moment while it is calm it is still tense as the israeli military and hezbollah alike both on high alert and khamda as you speak we're hearing on rocket fire towards the north through the area of zahriit in the north of israel we'll come back to you for updates on that khamda salchou thank you very much for now now let's go in studio joining me here is yakov lapian military and strategic affairs analyst at the jewish news syndicate as well as a military and strategic affairs analyst at miriam institute yakov thank you for being with us so israeli prime minister benjamin ethaniau is meeting the families of those 229 israelis that are being held by this terror group in those underground tunnels now we don't know their condition um what could he possibly have to say to them to ease their minds somehow as they're obviously terrified about the condition of their loved ones without knowing the exact details of this conversation my assumption is that he has likely some intelligence updates for them about the conditions of some of the hostages i would imagine that that would be a primary reason for that meeting to update them on what the defense establishment knows we've had representatives of the idf saying repeatedly that as soon as they get corroborated real information on the condition of these hostages and you know i remind all our viewers that we're talking about infants small children whose parents have been killed who have been orphaned whole families women and men and they're all you know being held likely in tunnels under unimaginable conditions so i would imagine that this is an update meeting and we're going to have to wait to see exactly what the update is it's absolutely horrific to think about these babies bees we saw a baby as young as nine months old being carried out carried by these Hamas terrorists elderly people women we saw many brutalities already in Israeli territory but also from videos that was were taken out of Gaza but as well now is in a complicated position obviously everything here is complicated every decision is extremely difficult the idf starting this some minor operation ground operation in in Gaza not the wide scale operation that we're maybe expecting to see and nonetheless it needs to decide now whether it wants to seek a deal with these terrorists or continue with this ground operation what are the stakes right now so it seems that you know the Israeli political echelon the war cabinet and the senior command structure of the idea have taken a decision that there's not going to always be a direct clash between these two objectives of securing the hostages and proceeding with the war i mean it seems that they've made the decisions to turn up the pressure on Hamas and by beginning the ground offensive the fact that these forces you know these tanks infantry engineering corps units have not come out of Gaza since entering last night i think is very important it shows that this is not just another raid this is the beginning of a larger offensive even if it's staged and gradual and so i think the message here to yehi senwar the commander of Hamas the chief of Hamas in Gaza is if you think you're going to play for time by releasing two hostages a week you know it would take two years to release all of the hostages at that pace as as Amos Yadlin has noted today you know that's not going to work for you and Israel's not going to be dictated to and paralyzed through this ransom effort by Hamas so i think they're turning up the pressure advancing the ground offensive and trying to secure a release all at the same time it's a very very complex as you note correctly very complex impossible situation and we heard from the families we'll hear from them very soon now after the meeting with Netanyahu but we already heard from them this morning following the those extensive airstrikes and this minor ground operation that they're terrified for their loved ones and this is why they're requested for this urgent meeting with Netanyahu and tomorrow also with Galant let's speak about what Hamas is looking to get in in a future deal of this kind at what could Israel be willing to give back well look you know the Hamas terrorists who have been arrested from the October 7th mass murder raid and you know when they were questioned they said that the goal of the hostages is to release security prisoners in Israeli jails and of course that's what Hamas wants but i think you know now that it's completely clear that the objective by israel is to destroy Hamas i think Hamas is also playing for time and it's trying to take the momentum out of the gathering Israeli offensive and that's just as important to Hamas as securing the release if not more important and if that's Hamas's goal then the hostage deal is in great doubt any any deal would be in great doubt and if Hamas you know can be can it can change its position to seeing a need to do a major swap under pressure then that would change things for the better i think that's exactly pretty much where we're at right now it's it's devastating for the families that all scenarios here are terrible for them and as israel continues with its ground operation in some parts of the Gaza Strip it is also asking Gazans to leave the northern part of the Gaza Strip and also emphasizes how Hamas uses very sensitive sites like hospitals and schools as human shields using these people there as human shields and just a short while ago the IDF releasing a part of an interrogation of a Hamas operative speaking exactly about that let's take a listen okay after leaving to go to the south of now Is it okay? Perfect. We've been talking for five minutes now about 3 years since we started this channel. Yes. It's a shame. Okay, so now… If you see a red bar, let me know. What? If you see red bars, let me know. No. If you see a red bar. There's no red bars. Oh. Because you can't see them And you can't see them You can't see them all What do you mean? We have weapons We don't have medicine We don't have medicine We don't have medicine Why didn't you tell us? Why didn't you tell us? Why didn't you tell us? Because we trust them What do you think? What do you think about the gas? The gas is like you said It's important that it's not a gas It's not a gas to people They're giving you a gas And they're making you a gas I also have a question About the The power of the gas The power of the gas The power of the gas The power of the gas Is it a power or what you're saying? I mean It's a power As we're listening to That part of the interrogation We're seeing live images Out of Tel Aviv as rocket Sirens are being heard Right now all across Central Israel Also in the south Mainly in Tel Aviv In Rishon Etzion And north of Tel Aviv As well it's a massive barrage Here in studio we could Hear the Explosions just over our heads Right now this is a live Event now this is an ongoing Situation a massive barrage Of rockets into Israel Out of Gaza right now So many Israeli cities Now are under Rocket attack Millions I could say of Israelis Having to rush to Shelter at this very Moment we're seeing these live images From Tel Aviv as We speak while These are people outside On the streets seeking shelter They do not have shelter They go down to the ground Others are making the mistake Of just filming and they're taking A big risk by doing so Everyone is advised To seek shelter right now As we already saw yesterday Those rockets Not all of them Are being taken down by the Miyaakov Lapin Despite the massive operation Of the IDF the airstrikes And the ground operation Rocket fire continues by Hamas Many of these launchers are Underground and it's going to take A lot much larger ground offensive To extinguish this rocket fire We've always known that these are the Assessments that we've heard for years From the defense establishment If we want to extinguish rocket fire There has to be a large ground force Moving in gradually and systematically Destroying those launchers Because a lot of them are on timers Activated with the press of a button And airstrikes alone simply won't do it Although they are doing a lot of damage And as we speak about them The IDF is not just Targeting infrastructure Also targeting Many operatives, many senior operatives We heard This morning from the IDF About taking down both the Terror of an aerial unit and naval unit How much effect does that have On the operations of Hamas As it engages in this war A very significant effect These are senior tactical field Hamas officers You can call them that terrorist officers And they are in charge of activating Very significant units They played big roles in the October 7th Mass murder raid Some of them the head of the Aerial array unit In charge of coordinating those paragliders Those infamous paragliders now As they flew over the border As well as UAV attacks Every one of these assassinations Is going to further damage Hamas' ability to function But they are built Hamas in a Decentralized manner So they can continue to function Even if some of these units are already Decapitated I also think it was very interesting The interrogation that we saw just now Has been trained ahead of time On what they can say and what they can't say When they are caught Because I assume that they would think ahead And think they might be caught So even though the sheen bed Is doing phenomenal work In getting information out of them Absolutely phenomenal work I don't think that they are saying Everything they know yet And it's going to be a long term I think questioning process To get more and more information out of them Is talking about how Shifa hospital Is used as a terrorist compound How Hamas gambles on The fact that Israel distinguishes Between civilians and terrorists So he gave very valuable information Absolutely no question about that I just wonder what else they know The cynical use of Hamas Is nothing new for anyone That knows what's going on And for the IDF but also important To emphasize that to the world As it is not for nothing That Israel emphasizes what's going on there Both with these interrogations And with the statements of The IDF spokesman Because it is clear that As this operation continues Those major hubs The most serious hubs of Hamas Will have to be targeted If Israel indeed is willing to go ahead And eliminate Hamas Yes and yesterday we saw the IDF Spokesperson Daniel Hagaris say That as far as the IDF is concerned When a hospital is used As a central command and control structure And as a way to attack Israeli civilians It loses its defensive Or protection status Under international law And he's absolutely right under the laws Of war there is no Obligation on any military Or state to continue to View a hospital that's being Used to orchestrate Murderous attacks on civilians As an off-limits site So I think Israel is sending out warnings To putting red flags on these hospitals And the mosques and the clinics And all of the UNRWA sites that Hamas Use and build tunnels under and saying These are military sites Civilians better start preparing to leave these sites Because as far as we're concerned These are fair for Targeting What I find interesting and Perhaps many of our views as well Is how despite The massive strikes of the IDF The Chain of command of Hamas seems to be intact in the Sense that obviously We see this rocket fire Well planned in terms of the times I assume the rockets are Being fired from multiple Spots so there is a coordination Of some sort despite This such heavy pressure that Israel applies and maybe It goes together with the fact that Had little or zero We will know One day information about the plans Of Hamas So is the communication That they're holding within the tunnels So secure that they can Can continue to operate On almost a Regular manner While they're being attacked Is this what it's about? The answer in my opinion is yes They have an internal communication system It's a closed phone line Wire based communications And the only way I could assume That that could be disrupted is to Destroy it physically It's not something I think that can be stopped Like radio communications Through electronic warfare And electromagnetic spectrum operations Which the IDF I'm sure is conducting Across the Gaza Strip This is an internal closed circuit Communication system and it's very Very valuable for Hamas and it does coordinate further terrorist and Military activities It's in the tunnels, it's in the bunkers And it's in these multi-story buildings And as we speak we mentioned These rocket fire We can report some heads in Cholon and Kiryat Ono Initial information now No word on casualties just yet We will give you that information As that comes in, Jakob stay with me We're going to change gears now We're going to go to Dr. Chen Kugel At the National Institute of Forensic Medicine Dr. Kugel thank you for taking Your time to be with us We know that you And many volunteers are working For you tirelessly over the Last 22 days Working to identify 1400 Israeli victims Of this massacre So many days have passed Dr. and yet hundreds of those bodies Have yet to be identified Try to break down For our viewers What is it about this massacre That is so different from many other Mass casualty events you have dealt With throughout your career First of all The problem with the identification Here that some of the bodies Are charred and even The bones Are brittle and All that left for me is just ashes And some people I am I afraid Is never found We've been never found sorry for my English By the way I'm kind of tired now And the thing is that Also we don't have anti-mortem Data of some of the victims Because all the identification Methods are based on comparison Between The data that you take from a dead Person for example fingerprints And you compare it to data that you take From the same person while he was alive Same fingerprints Now if we don't have anti-mortem data The data from the person before He died for example foreign workers That were murdered Also so we cannot identify Their bodies So one problem is The condition of the bodies Which are many of them Are charred and Are just carbon or coal And other Problem is the anti-mortem data I think that Most of the bodies will be identified But I'm afraid that we will Left with some bodies That are not identified It's Absolutely horrific to say the least What you have to deal with What these people had to deal with I know it's Obviously extremely difficult for you As it is for all of us To hear these stories Was there one particular case That you had to deal with That really stood out for you Out of the many hundreds of tragedies You've dealt with this past 22 days Well There are many tragedies As you said And when I'm talking to you I remember many of them You know when I'm in the autopsy room In the mortuary I'm doing my work I don't remember but I remember One case for example It got published That we just saw A piece of coal A burnt piece of coal And we put it in the CT scan And in the CT scan you see Two spine and two spine And two set of ribs Rib cages And this is an adult hugging A younger boy or girl Cannot say if it's a boy or girl And they were rocked with a wire Metal wire Actually they were rocked and burned in life While they were hugging each other And this is heart wrenching We saw other cases That are heart wrenching I do not want to Describe because this is really difficult For the audience to hear this But the people that did it Are monsters They're not human beings And there are so many cases That are horrible Horrific We see people that were tied And shot from Contact range And we saw people that were burned While people put more Accelerators into the fire To make them ashes and not more And there are many other things That we saw and People should know It happened here in Israel Simply unimaginable doctor What you have to deal with What these innocent Miserable people Israeli civilians who were just In their homes on that Saturday morning Had to go through I want to talk to you about the fact That you are giving this interview The fact that While doing your very sacred Work You're having to speak to the media To us but also to the world As a whole To reiterate and to explain What happened here on October 7th How do you find that Aspect The fact that You need to detail What has happened for the world To understand There are some who even doubt What we're saying here Well, we never opened The institute to the media This is the first time that we did it And I think it was important It was difficult for us But I think That when the journalists So what we are seeing List some Very few of the cases And got the impression I think nobody could say it didn't happen Now we are dealing In many cases in separating The bodies which are charged Together, not just the father And the son or the baby Many bodies are Combined or conjoined together And dealing with separating We have many bags that in the same bags There are several bodies Or Part of body parts And I wanted the media To see it I wanted them to see the horrors And I think That when they are filming it And they are reporting it It is an objective report Like what you are doing now You could never say in the future Oh, it didn't happen Or they are just inventing And so on, no, it is here And you should see it Absolutely unbelievable That we have to even discuss this Dr. Khen Kogel, we thank you so much For being with us, but more than that Thank you for the sacred work That you are doing for these visible victims Thank you for being with us Rocket fire over the past Several minutes, some hits To Central Israel At this very hour Will keep you updated On more of the result of these Rocket fire during the broadcast For now Guy Azrael, thank you for watching Officially in a state of war This is a very active scene And we need to get in the car as we are talking More than a hundred soldiers And civilians have been kidnapped Help us, we don't know what to do We just don't know anything Our families including babies And children and elderly were butchered In their beds Awaken the giant And we are ready and we are strong Everyone is showing up, this is the unity It is the most powerful And direct way to stand with Israel Visit israelbonds.com And invest now Schedule your appointment at www.madeforme.co.il Welcome to this special broadcast Here on I-24 News As we continue our rolling coverage Day 22 Of Israel's war against Hamas In Gaza 22 days after the horrific onslaught Resulting in the slaughter Of 1400 Israelis On October 7 Some of the worst atrocities Committed in modern times The massacred massacre of Jewish people Since the Holocaust Today sirens heard in the north The center and the south of Israel Ongoing rocket fire A third terror squad eliminated today In southern Lebanon After trying to launch an anti-tank Missile toward Israeli troops In the West Bank More arrests of Hamas operatives And in the south the IDF Expanding action Combined aerial and ground activity Of Hamas' aerial and naval operations At this very hour Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu Meeting the families Of at least 229 Israelis Most of them civilians Held at the hands Of the Hamas terror group Meanwhile Israeli Defense Minister Yav Galant Wrapping up a security assessment Saying the war Is entering a new phase I have now completed The daily situation assessment I have summarized the directions Of action regarding the main efforts The military effort The effort to free the hostages The civilian effort And the humanitarian effort We passed the stage in the war Tonight the grounding guards are shook We attacked above ground And below ground We attacked terrorist operatives At all levels In all places The instructions to the forces Are clear The operation will continue Until new orders are given In the other sectors We are preparing to protect The civilians of Israel To maintain their safety We do this in the north In the center And everywhere else Israeli Defense Minister Yav Galant Speaking there To Israel's northern border Right 24 news corresponded Hamda Salchut is standing by For us, Hamda, a tense calm If you can call what we're experiencing In the north now calm But it comes as the Hezbollah terror group is claiming Responsibility for attempting To fire towards Israel Well look, the exchanges of fire Have been continuous between the Israeli Military and Hezbollah today Siren sounding in parts of northern That's because the Israeli military said It was due to anti-tank fire From the Lebanese side The military responding with artillery Getting rid of the artillery Units here There's actually been just a boom In the distance behind us here But we're not really sure What it is, but it is the continuous Exchanges of fire here Now the Israeli military has been clear That they will respond to any sort Of aggression into their territory And Hezbollah has also been clear That they're ready with their finger On the trigger for a larger scale operation But that simply hasn't happened yet The Israelis have been receiving Pressure from the United States Both publicly and privately To urge all parties to remain calm Urging them not to have a larger Pre-emptive strike inside Lebanese territory that could Turn into a larger scale war Now the situation at the moment While it is calm it is still tense As the Israeli military and Hezbollah Are like both on high alert And Khamda, as you speak, we're hearing On rocket fire Towards the north through the Area of Zar'it in the north Of Israel, we'll come Back to you for updates On that, Khamda Salchou, thank you very much For now Now let's go in studio, joining me Here is Yakov Lapin, military and Strategic Affairs Analyst at the Jewish News Syndicate, as well as Strategic Affairs Analyst at Miriam Institute. Yakov, thank you for being With us. So Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu is meeting The families of those 229 Israelis that are Being held by this terror group In those underground tunnels now We don't know their condition What could he possibly Have to say to them To ease their minds Somehow, as they're obviously Terrified about the condition of their Hostages, without knowing the exact details Of this conversation, my assumption Is that he has likely some intelligence Updates for them about The conditions of some of the hostages I would imagine that that would be A primary reason for that meeting To update them on what the defense Establishment knows. We've had Representatives of the IDF saying Repeatedly that as soon as they get Corroborated real information On the condition of these hostages And I remind all our viewers About infants, small children Whose parents have been killed, have been orphaned Whole families Women and men And they're all being held Likely in tunnels under unimaginable Conditions. So I would imagine That this is an update meeting and We're going to have to wait to see Exactly what the update is It's absolutely horrific to think About these babies. We saw a baby As young as nine months old Being carried out, carried These Hamas terrorists Elderly people Women We saw many brutalities Already in Israeli territory But also from videos that were Taken out of Gaza. But Israel now is in a complicated Position Obviously everything here is complicated Every decision is extremely difficult The IDF Starting this Some minor operation Ground operation in Gaza Not the wide-scale operation That we're maybe expecting To see. And nonetheless It needs to decide now Whether it wants to seek A deal with these terrorists Or continue with this ground Operation What are the stakes right now? So it seems that The Israeli political echelon The war cabinet and the senior Command structure of the IDF Have taken a decision That there's not going to always be A direct clash between these two objectives Of securing the hostages and proceeding With the war. It seems that they've Made the decisions to turn up the pressure On Hamas by beginning The ground offensive. The fact that These forces, these tanks, infantry Engineering corps units have not come out Of Gaza since entering last night I think is very important. It shows That this is not just another raid This is the beginning of a larger Actual. And so I think the message here To Yehi Senwar, the commander Of Hamas, the chief of Hamas in Gaza Is if you think you're going to play for time By releasing two hostages a week It would take two years to release All of the hostages at that pace As Amos Yadlin has noted today That's not going to work for you And Israel's not going to be Dictated to and paralyzed Through this ransom effort by Hamas So I think they're turning up the pressure Advancing the ground Offensive and trying to secure a release All at the same time It's a very, very complex as you note Correctly very complex. Impossible situation and we heard from the families We'll hear from them very soon now After the meeting with Netanyahu But we already heard from them this morning Following those extensive airstrikes And this minor ground operation That they're terrified for their loved ones And this is why they're requested For this urgent meeting with Netanyahu And tomorrow also with Gallant Let's speak about what Hamas Is looking to get In a future deal of this kind And what could Israel Be willing to give back Well, look, the Hamas terrorists Who have been arrested From the October 7th mass murder raid And when they were questioned they said That the goal of the hostages is To release security prisoners In Israeli jails And of course that's what Hamas wants But I think now that it's completely clear That the objective by Israel Is to destroy Hamas I think Hamas is also playing for time And it's trying to take the momentum out of the gathering Is really offensive and that's just as important To Hamas as securing the release If not more important And if that's Hamas' goal then the hostages Deal is in great doubt Any deal would be in great doubt And if Hamas, you know, can be Can change his position To seeing a need to Do a major swap Under pressure Then that would change things for the better I think that's pretty much where we're at right now It's devastating for the families That all scenarios here are terrible for them And as Israel Continues with its Ground operation In some parts of the Gaza Strip It is also asking Gazans To leave The northern part of the Gaza Strip And also emphasizes how Hamas Uses Sites like hospitals and schools As Human shields Using these people there as human shields Just a short while ago the IDF Releasing a part of an interrogation Of Hamas operative Speaking exactly about that Let's take a listen I've heard That There's a lot of talk about this From the beginning I haven't heard anything about it I've heard about it before There's a lot of talk about this Not all of the region Not all of the region There's a lot of talk But not all of the region Okay There's a lot of talk About this There's a man who's a lawyer And a lawyer I've heard about it What is the most important thing Of the country What are the most important things Of the country The most important thing Is the country What do you want? There's a lot of talk About the country There's a lot of talk About something small What do you want me to go to? We're going to be together We are going to be together We're going to be together We're going to talk You can have a conversation With me Can I Can I Can you Can I Can I Can I Can I took a picture of it. It was this one. It was what it was. When you see a red light, you ask, it's in the middle of the sky. It was this one. It was a white light. Now it's... the white light. It's in the middle of the sky. The different colors, I give it a good look. The color. Do you have medical care? No, I just want to do my job. How are you going to do it? I want to see my mother and we'll sign it. I want to show her even more. It's not my job to do it. What about the gas? The gas is like I said.  You can't pay for the gas. They pay for the gas. And they charge you for the fuel. I'm going to get a job. And as we were listening to that part of the interrogation, we're seeing live images out of Tel Aviv as rocket sirens are being heard right now all across central Israel, also in the south, mainly in Tel Aviv, in Rishon Etzion, and north of Tel Aviv as well. It's a massive barrage. Here in studio we could hear the explosions just over our heads right now. This is a live event now. This is an ongoing situation, a massive barrage of rockets into Israel out of Gaza right now. So many Israeli cities now are under rocket attack. Millions, I could say, of Israelis having to rush to shelter at this very moment. We're seeing these live images from Tel Aviv as we speak while these are people outside on the streets seeking shelter. They do not have shelter. They go down to the ground. Others are making the mistake of just filming, and they're taking a big risk by doing so. Everyone is advised to seek shelter right now as we already saw yesterday. Those rockets, not all of them are being taken down by the Iron Dome still with Miyako Vlapin. Despite the massive operation of the IDF, the airstrikes, and the ground operation, Rocket Fire continues by Hamas. Many of these launchers are underground, and it's going to take a much larger ground offensive to extinguish this rocket fire. We've always known that these are the assessments that we've heard for years from the Defense establishment. If we want to extinguish rocket fire, there has to be a large ground force in the Gaza Strip, moving in gradually and systematically destroying those launchers, because a lot of them are on timers, a lot of them are activated with the press of a button, and airstrikes alone simply won't do it, although they are doing a lot of damage. And as we speak about them, the IDF is not just targeting infrastructure, also targeting many operatives, many senior operatives. We heard this morning from the IDF about taking down both the commander of an aerial unit and naval unit. How much effect does that have on the operations of Hamas as it engages in this war? A very significant effect. These are senior tactical field Hamas officers, you can call them that, terrorist officers. And they are in charge of activating very significant units. They played big roles in the October 7th mass murder raid. Some of them, the head of the aerial array unit, was in charge of coordinating those paragliders, those infamous paragliders now, as they flew over the border, as well as UAV attacks. Every one of these assassinations is going to further damage Hamas' ability to function, but they are built Hamas in a decentralized manner, so they can continue to function even if some of these units are decapitated. I also think it was very interesting, you know, the interrogation that we saw just now, it seems that some of these Hamas terrorists have been trained ahead of time on what they can say and what they can't say when they're caught, because I assume that they would think ahead and think they might be caught. So even though the Shin Bet is doing phenomenal work in getting information out of them, absolutely phenomenal work, I don't think that they're saying everything they know yet, and it's going to be a long-term, I think, questioning process to get more and more information out of them. But even the information they did share, this terrorist here, he was talking about how Shifa Hospital is used as a terrorist compound, how Hamas gambles on the fact that Israel distinguishes between civilians and terrorists. So he gave very valuable information, absolutely no question about that. I just wonder what else they know. The cynical use of Hamas is nothing new for anyone that knows what's going on and for the IDF, but also important to emphasize that to the world as it is not for nothing that Israel emphasizes what's going on there, both with these interrogations and with the statements of the IDF spokesman, because it is clear that as this operation continues, those major harps, the most serious harps of Hamas, will have to be targeted if Israel indeed is willing to go ahead and eliminate Hamas. Yes, and yesterday we saw the IDF spokesperson, Daniel Higari, say that as far as the IDF is concerned, when a hospital is used as a central command and control structure and as a way to attack Israeli civilians, it loses its defensive or protection status under international law. And he's absolutely right under the laws of war, there is no obligation on any military or state to continue to view a hospital that's being used to orchestrate murderous attacks on civilians as an off-limits site. So I think Israel is sending out warnings to putting red flags on these hospitals and the mosques and the clinics and all of the UNRWA sites that Hamas use and build tunnels under and saying, these are military sites, civilians better start preparing to leave these sites because as far as we're concerned, these are fair for targeting. What I find interesting and perhaps many of our viewers as well is how despite the massive strikes of the IDF, the chain of command of Hamas seems to be intact in the sense that obviously we see this rocket fire well planned in terms of the times. I assume the rockets are being fired from multiple spots so there is a coordination of some sort despite this such heavy pressure that Israel applies and maybe it goes together with the fact that Israel had little or zero, we will know one day information about the plans of Hamas. So is the communication that they're holding within the tunnels so secure that they can continue to operate on almost a regular manner while they're being attacked? Is this what it's about? The answer in my opinion is yes. They have an internal communication system within the tunnels. It's a closed phone line, wire-based communications. And the only way I could assume that that could be disrupted is to destroy it physically. It's not something, I think, that can be stopped like radio communications through electronic warfare and electromagnetic spectrum operations, which the IDF, I'm sure, is conducting across the Gaza Strip. This is an internal closed circuit communication system and it's very, very valuable for Hamas and it does enable them to continue to coordinate further terrorist and military activities. It's in the tunnels, it's in the bunkers, and it's in these multi-story buildings. And as we speak, we mentioned these rocket fire. We can report some hits in Kholon and Kiryat Ono. Initial information now. No word on casualties just yet. We will give you that information as that comes in. Jakob, stay with me. We're going to change gears now. We're going to go to Dr. Gen Kugel. He's the director of the National Institute of Forensic Medicine. Dr. Kugel, thank you for taking your time to be with us. We know that you and many volunteers are working for you tirelessly over the last 22 days working to identify 1,400 Israeli victims of this massacre. So many days have passed, Dr. and yet hundreds of those bodies have yet to be identified. Try to break down for our viewers. What is it about this massacre that is so different from many other mass casualty events you have dealt with throughout your career? First of all, the problem with the identification here that some of the bodies are charred and even the bones are brittle and all that left for me is just ashes. And some people I am, I afraid that we will never found. We've been never found. Sorry for my English, by the way. I'm kind of tired now. And the thing is that also we don't have anti-mortem data of some of the victims because all the identification methods are based on comparison between the data that you take from a dead person, for example fingerprints, and you compare it to data that you take from the same person while he was alive. The same fingerprints. Now, if we don't have anti-mortem data, the data from the person before he died, for example, foreign workers that were murdered also, so we cannot identify their bodies. So one problem is the condition of the bodies, which are many of them are charred and are just carbon or coal. And another problem is the anti-mortem data. I think that most of the bodies will be identified, but I'm afraid that we will be left with some bodies that are not identified. It's absolutely horrific to say the least what you have to deal with, what these people had to deal with. I know it's obviously extremely difficult for you as it is for all of us to hear these stories. Was there one particular case that you had to deal with that really stood out for you out of the many hundreds of tragedies you've dealt with this past 22 days? Well, there are many tragedies, as you said. And when I'm talking to you, I remember many of them. You know, when I'm in the autopsy room in the mortuary, I'm doing my work. I don't remember, but I remember one case, for example, which got published, that we just saw a piece of coal, burnt piece of coal, and we put it in the CT scan. And in the CT scan, you see two spines and two spines and two set of ribs, rib cages. And this is an adult hugging a younger boy or girl, cannot say if it's a boy or girl. And they were wrapped with a wire, metal wire. And actually, they were wrapped and burned alive while they were hugging each other. And this is heart-wrenching. We saw other cases that are heart-wrenching. I do not want to describe because this is really difficult for the audience to hear this. But the people that did it are monsters. They're not human beings. And there are so many cases that are horrible, horrific. And we see people that were tied and shot from contact range. And we saw people that were burned while people put more accelerators into the fire to make them ashes and not more. And there are many other things that we saw. And people should know it. It happened here in Israel. Simply unimaginable, doctor, what you have to deal with. These innocent, miserable people, Israeli civilians who were just in their homes on that Saturday morning, had to go through. I want to talk to you about the fact that you are giving this interview, the fact that while doing your very sacred work, you're having to speak to the media, to us, but also to the world as a whole, to reiterate and to explain what happened here on October 7th. How do you find that aspect? The fact that you need to detail what has happened for the world to understand there are some who even doubt what we're saying here. Well, we never opened the Institute to the media. This is the first time that we did it. And I think it was important. It was difficult for us. But I think that when the journalists saw what we are seeing, at least some, very few of the cases, and got the impression, I think nobody could say it didn't happen. Now we're dealing in many cases in separating bodies, which are chad together, not just the father and the son or the baby. Many bodies are combined or conjoined together and we are dealing with separating. We have many bags that in the same bags, bags that there's several bodies or body parts. And I wanted the media to see it. I wanted them to see the horrors. And I think that when they are filming it and they are reporting that it is an objective report, like what you are doing now. And people could never say in the future, oh, it didn't happen. Or they just inventing and so on. No, it's here. And you should see it. Absolutely unbelievable that we have to even discuss this. Dr. Hengkogel, we thank you so much for being with us. But more than that, thank you for the sacred work that you're doing for these visible victims. Thank you for being with us. Rocket fire over the past several minutes, some hits into central Israel at this very hour will keep you updated on more of the result of these rocket fire during the broadcast for now. Guy Azrael, thank you for watching. 1,300 people murdered and more than 3,000 injured. And the war with Hamas continues. We bring you firsthand testimonies from the front lines, from those who survived, and all the records of the atrocities by Hamas. Follow us as Israel fights terror from the south and north. Get the inside scoop on what's going on. Only on I 24 News. The American Red Wolf is the most endangered wolf in the entire world. And the American Red Wolf is the only wolf that is only native to the United States. And in that regards, they should be a national treasure. So it is a privilege to be able to provide their medical care. And it's very important for people to be aware of the species and want to understand them so that they can be protected in the wild and not go extinct. Made For Me, a unique concept in Israel. Custom made men's fashion to your measurements. Made For Me, designer of all your events. Schedule your appointment at www.madeforme.co.il. Made For Me, official dresser of I 24 News. Good evening, ladies and gentlemen. La tercera semana de esta guerra declarada por Hamas que comenzó el 7 de octubre contra Israel, dejando más de 1400 asesinados, 2500 heridos graves, 212 renes y un país que en medio del caos generado está recomponiendo sus filas tanto en lo social como buscando en lo militar, eliminar la capacidad operativa y a los terroristas de Hamas en Gaza. Pilar Raola, en el portal del Nacional de Cataluña, dice, ha tenido nos vierten en un vacío moral y en una podedumbe intelectual que nos retratan como una sociedad muy enferma. Se ha perdido el sentido de los límites de la humanidad y en la confusión, el mal puro se ha hecho camino, banalizado por unos, justificado por otros, incluso en algunos casos, ha plagudido. Muy duro, ¿cierto, Nicole? Palabras acertadas, muy duras, pero para ello vamos a estar hoy hablando, porque tenemos como invitado a uno de los periodistas más distinguidos de Israel, reconocido en Europa, en América Latina y también en los países árabes. Estoy hablando de Enrique Simmerman, que se ha sumado hoy a News24, para analizar todo lo que está pasando desde el inicio de la guerra. Gracias, Enrique, por estar con nosotros. Un placer, Nicole, un placer, Carlos. Comencemos por lo siguiente. Te digo de qué vamos a hablar en esta emisión especial. Primero, queremos tu análisis sobre las relaciones Israel, Hamas, la Autoridad Nacional Palestina. Luego, queremos ver cómo toda esta situación afecta a la región, Estados Unidos, Europa, los países árabes. Queremos tratar el tema de la guerra digital, de las fake news, y también el incidente con el presidente Petro, que no lo quisiera dejar pasar. Y, finalmente, hemos leído un artículo que has escrito acerca de cómo recomenzar y repensar un recalculando de esta región. Por eso, Enrique, me gustaría que comenzaras a darnos una visión amplia de lo que ha sido elante y después del 7 de octubre. ¿Cómo has jugado el papel, algo muy importante, la Autoridad Nacional Palestina? Enrique. La Autoridad Nacional Palestina está perdida. Ellos perdieron el GPS, no saben hacia dónde tienen que tirar por varios motivos. Y el principal es que para ellos jamás es un rival, un rival muy fuerte. Por eso no hay elecciones en la Autoridad Palestina hace 17 años, porque ellos saben que probablemente jamás ganaría. Y como tienen miedo de ello, mantiene la Autoridad Palestina sin democracia. Pero, al mismo tiempo, ellos siguen luchando por la opinión pública palestina. Entonces, no se pueden enfrentar a jamás. Yo os puedo decir que la semana pasada, días después de la matanza más atroz y sadista que yo, he visto desde que estoy aquí y llevo muchos años cubriendo esta región, estuve en Irak, vi el estado islámico, debo decir que lo que vimos aquí es realmente sin precedentes. Y además, planificado durante cuatro años por Irán, juntamente con jamás. Yo llamé a la MUHATA, a la Autoridad Palestina y les dije, señores, si ustedes no se desmarcan de jamás, pasarán a la historia como algo irrelevante. Y me dijeron, pero si no pasó nada, si lo que hubo es que hubo algunos incidentes y les dije las violaciones y los saqueos y los secuestros. Y me pidieron que les enviase películas y les envíe. Y el día siguiente, el presidente palestino, Mahmoud Abbas, anunció jamás no representa al pueblo palestino. La OLP representa al pueblo palestino. Lo dijo en una conversación con el presidente de Venezuela. Y lo escribió en un tweet, inmediatamente lo borró y dejó solo la OLP representar al pueblo palestino. Ellos tienen un problema. Y nosotros tenemos un problema, como Israel, en la medida en que creíamos que podíamos tener algún tipo de diálogo, diría yo, indirecto, con jamás. Permitir que llegue algo de dinero, de Qatar, hacia jamás, maletines llenos de... Los trabajadores que entraban en Israel. Los 20,000 trabajadores al día que entraban que dan de comer a cientos de miles de personas. Todo tipo de entrada y salida de ayuda humanitaria. Hoy nosotros entendemos que no podemos entendernos con jamás, que jamás no puede estar allí del otro lado de la frontera, que jamás es una una sesión neofascista. Por eso quiero preguntarte. Los ataques que ha hecho con su defensa Israel han muerto civiles, que son siempre escudos humanos de jamás allá en Gaza. Y ellos alegan, la Autoria Nacional Palestina, que esas muertes son inocentes de esos niños. ¿Existe y crees en el ojo por ojo, diente por diente? No es una cuestión de ojo por ojo. Es una cuestión de que si tú decides que no puedes tener un vecino así, porque él hace cosas que el mundo civilizado no conoce ni ha visto. Y los conocemos ya de sobras. Pero empieza saliendo ahora y yo estuve en el Kibbutz ni Rhoz. Y verte, verlo con tus propios ojos. Ver las historias, una por una, casa por casa. De hecho, me llegó una prueba de que estaban drogados. Los terroristas de jamás estaban drogados. Eso fue parte de la preparación hecha en Irán. Pero tú ves exactamente el grado de sadismo que no tiene precedentes, en mi opinión, desde la Segunda Guerra Mundial. Bueno, también estuvo en el sur. Nicole fue a la ciudad de Esderot, que se encuentra a cinco kilómetros de la frontera y nos preparó este informe con su visión en esta ciudad tan golpeada. En medio de la catástrofe de la estación de policía en la ciudad de Esderot, tomada por dos días por los terroristas de jamás. Ver una estación de policía israelí hechas con bros era algo inimaginable antes del 7 de octubre. El olor a cloaca, aquella que imana el terrorismo, se siente entre los charcos de agua sucia que se entremesclaron con los trozos de cemento que quedó de la demolición. El ejército israelí había llegado el 8 de octubre a Esderot, una ciudad capturada por los terroristas que se atrincheraron en la estación policial matando a los pocos oficiales de Guardia. La única manera de eliminarlos de moler la estación. Observo y no comprendo la policía israelí vulnerada por el vecino enemigo, terrorista, al que creían pequeño. En Esderot perdieron la vida más de 200 civiles israelíes, un sábado de descanso, de Shabbat. Las calles son un desierto fantasmal. La lluvia de balas están marcadas en su cotidianidad. Un consencionario de autos refleja sin sangre el horror, donde lo doloroso no es la pérdida material, sino que esas balas eliminaron vida sinocente. Carros familiares con manchas de sangre, sangre, sangre. La silla del niño en el coche. ¿Se imaginan si ese niño hubiese estado allí sentado? ¿Lo estuvo? No sabemos. Pero de repente la vida nos envía un mensaje. Una camioneta blanca, como la paz, cargada de banderas de Israel, apareció. A lo alto, alguien colocaba en los postes de luz la bandera con la estrella de David. Como señal de identidad, recuperamos la ciudad y conocí al encargado de colocarlas en Esderot. Vemos cómo esta bandera de Israel está siendo colocada por un árabe israelí que está allá arriba. Salam alaikum. Toda roba. Mashem Shalha. ¿Cuál es tu nombre? Ali. Shukram. Esderot no volverá a ser la misma, como toda Israel, como todo judío del siglo XXI, porque ahora toca ser resiliente. Sam Harris, filósofo americano, escribió. La verdad es que todos vivimos en Israel. Lo único es que alguno de nosotros no lo entendemos. No hay enemigo pequeño. Seguimos en esta emisión especial de 2024 en español dedicada a Israel bajo ataque con un invitado de lujo que es el periodista Enrique Zimmermann. Enrique, la semana pasada tuvimos la visita del presidente de Estados Unidos, Biden, bien el primer ministro Sunak de Gran Bretaña, el Canciller Schulz de Alemania. ¿Qué importancia tiene estas visitas en la región? Y, sobre todo, con los países del golfo, todo lo que se hablaba antes con Arabia Saudita, ¿hacia dónde vamos con todo esto? La importancia es enorme, porque ellos, los líderes empezando por Biden, entiende que este no es un conflicto entre Israel y Hamas. Esto es algo mucho más amplio. Estos son coaliciones que, de hecho, se están enfrentando en el lugar que es el punto de encuentro entre Occidente y el mundo libre y los lladistas islamistas. Entonces, hay aquí un punto de encuentro en el que nosotros, Israel, está en primera línea. Y yo creo que ellos empiezan a entender que también ellos tienen algo que ver con todo esto. Y por eso Israel está recibiendo el apoyo internacional que está recibiendo, incluso de países europeos, como Gran Bretaña, como Francia, como Alemania, como Italia. Siempre han tenido una tendencia más palestina. Mucho más, mucho más. Pero entienden aquí que jamás no es palestina, entienden aquí que jamás es un fenómeno muchísimo más grave que ha sido alimentado por Irán en los últimos años. No era así hace los primeros años de Hamas, pero lo es ahora. Hoy en día, Hamas es una organización totalmente iraní, absolutamente financiada. Ahora, Arabia Saudí. Arabia Saudí está en una situación difícil, porque ellos estaban muy cerca, muy cerca de la normalización con Israel. Y Irán lo sabía. Y por eso decidieron esta fecha como ataque. Hay que entender que Hamas destrozó después de Oslo cuando había esperanza de paz real en esta región. Cuando todo era positivo, ellos empezaron los atentados suicidas y mataron el proceso de paz. Ahora están haciendo lo mismo, dos décadas y media después, están haciendo exactamente lo mismo. Están 30 años después. Están intentando matar la posibilidad de que Israel y Arabia Saudí se lleguen a un acuerdo de paz y que se amplíen los acuerdos de Abraham. Yo tengo una pregunta. El logro con los acuerdos de Oslo fue casi total. ¿Consiguieron paralizarlo? ¿Qué es un estatus cubo? ¿Donde ninguna de las dos partes fue a ningún lado? Pero lo que ha pasado el 7 de octubre es un game changer. O sea, no va a volver a hacer lo que había antes. Irán va a conseguir, de alguna manera, evitar de que haya un cambio tal donde ellos de repente se encuentran en una situación aislada frente al mundo que se opone a su actitud. Mi esperanza es que Irán no lo logre a medio plazo. Pero Irán ha logrado, a través de Hamas, son sus brazos, postergar el proceso. Este proceso está postergado, pero yo creo que no está muerto. Todo lo contrario. Y yo recibo indicios del Golfo. Incluso os puedo citar alguien muy destacado en el Golfo que me llama cada dos, tres días y que me dijo una frase. Me dijo, mientras no cortéis la cabeza de la serpiente, la serpiente seguirá intentando matarnos. Y lo dice Enrique, ¿qué? ¿Cuántas veces has estado en Arabia Saudita? Cinco este año. Cinco este año y conoce muy bien. Pero hay algo, es un tema bastante amplio. Hay algo importante, Enrique, que uno de los fenómenos que hemos visto es que el manipuleo y la desinformación que hay en las plataformas sociales y que es base fundamental de la información actualmente. Nosotros vamos a escuchar ahora y quiero que me ayude a analizarlo. Fredy Bernal. Fredy Bernal es el gobernador del Estado Tachina en Venezuela. Sabemos la alianza que tiene Venezuela con Irán. Quizás la alianza más fuerte de Irán en América Latina.  Vamos a verlo. En agua sin electricidad, bombardeado. Mientras estamos aquí tranquilos, tomándonos un caso insanquirtual, ese pueblo está siendo bombardeado. Y hay que decirle al mundo libre que se pronuncie a las Naciones Unidas, a la OEA, que dice la Corte Interamericana de Derechos Humanos, que dice la Corte Penal Internacional, a nosotros si nos sancionan, a nosotros si nos llevan a las Cortes. Y qué pasa con el Estado Israel, qué pasa con el Estado Israel, el Estado Israel si puede asesinar y exterminar a un pueblo es inadmisible en pleno siglo XXI. ¿Qué te parece Enrique, las opiniones? Este gobernador del Estado tachira de Nicolás Maduro, presidente de Venezuela. Una caricatura tan simple como eso. Pero una caricatura premeditada. O sea, es un intento de engañar a la opinión pública presentando algo que es solo una pequeña parte de la realidad. Es verdad. Hay sufrimiento civil en Gaza. Es un hecho. Pero ¿quién abrió toda esta guerra? ¿Quién abrió las puertas del infierno? ¿Quién empezó todo esto? O sea, estamos hablando de un grupo se olvidan que es homófobo, que rechaza a la mujer, que no permite que la mujer tenga libertad y que además no acepta la existencia de Israel y además de todo, envía 1,500 hombres drogados para matar judíos con el único objetivo de matar y secuestrar judíos. Obviamente no se puede defender en el mundo libre, en el mundo democrático a alguien así. Y debería de preocuparle a Israel esa alianza que tiene Iran en América Latina con Venezuela, un país petrolero. Obviamente. Pero no solo con Venezuela, con toda América Latina. Yo hace años que sé que hay una presencia de grupos islamistas radicales, entre ellos un país que es Iran, que es el padre de todos ellos, que están en estos países cada vez más arraigados, cada vez más agasajados. Y eso es un error porque es traer células cancerígenas a tu propio país. Yo creo que hagamos un breve comentario acerca de la actitud que tiene el presidente Petro de Colombia. Bosque maneja las relaciones internacionales. Ahí lo estamos viendo, amenazar de cortar las relaciones con Israel. ¿A qué se debe esto? Se debe a sus intereses propios. Se debe a mucha, mucha propaganda. Se debe a cuestiones económicas, yo me imagino. Se debe a estereotipos muy profundos. Decía Einstein que es más fácil destruir un átomo que destruir un estereotipo. Y aquí estamos viendo gente que tiene no solamente intereses, sino también todo tipo de prejuicios que han sido acumulados. Que ven este señor aquí. Le llevaremos al sur a la frontera de Gaza. Le enseñaré el kibbutz en el que yo estuve ayer en el kibbutz near Oz. Le enseñaré a Carmela, la casa de Carmela, una señora de 80 años que estaba haciendo babysitter a su nieta el viernes por la noche. Y que de repente ve cómo entran en su casa. Y como ya está encerrada en el bunker, le lanzan una granada y le incendian a casa y matan viva a su nieta autista y a Carmela. Esto ocurrió en decenas de lugares. Esto sí que es genocidio y además premeditado. Lo otro es una reacción de autodefensa. Hablando de genocidio, yo quisiera comentar algo que la gente no tiene idea. ¿Cómo fue que Gaza quedó tipo sandwich entre Egipto y Israel? Y la historia es que el presidente Sadat se reunió con Begin, el primer ministro de Israel, para acordar el desenganche de las fuerzas en esa época. Sadat dijo, mire, yo recibo todo la prensa lesionada, pero Gaza no lo quiero. ¿Y vos sabes cuánta gente vivía en Gaza en el año 1978? ¿Tenés una idea? Cientos de miles. 380,000 gasatíes. Imagínate. ¿Y hoy cuántos viven? Más de 2 millones. Y te diré que el promedio de hijos es uno de los más altos del mundo. Son siete niños por familia. Entonces, cuando todo el mundo utiliza la palabra genocidio, genocidio es cuando tu población merma desaparece, no cuando se incrementa, ¿no es cierto? Hay aquí un problema muy serio con los conceptos. Israel es visto como un centro de colodialismo. Como fueron, yo recuerdo a los líderes de jamás, diciéndome, yo entrevisté a todos. 14 veces entrevisté al fundador de jamás, el GQ Ahmed Yassin, en su casa. Y ellos siempre hablaban de los israelíes como los nuevos cruzados. Van a estar aquí una época y, al final, los terminares. No vemos por hechar y por derrotar de aquí. Y piensan que Israel es como Argelia, es como Afganistán para Estados Unidos. No entienden que la realidad es totalmente distinta. Aquí, y vemos lo que está pasando en la sociedad israelí, si me pedís para resumiros en una frase que ocurrió aquí el 7 de octubre, esto es un intento de Irán que olió debilidad dentro de la sociedad israelí. Olió sangre debido al debate político interno israelí en torno a la reforma judicial, a la revolución judicial. Ellos lo interpretaron como una debilidad y decidieron atacar para dos cosas. Una, para acabar con Israel. Porque creían que esto haría que todos nosotros correríamos al aeropuerto de Ben Gurion y tendríamos miedo y nos iríamos de aquí. Es la palabra a terrorizar. Y lo segundo, acabar con el proceso negociador que nos está llevando a la paz posible con países árabes de toda esta región. Y fracasaron. No lograron. Y yo estoy convencido que el tema de Arabia Saudita será postergado, pero no está muerto ni mucho menos. ¿Y tú qué conoce la sociedad israelí? ¿Será resiliente a toda esta situación? Yo creo que han conseguido el efecto opuesto. Hoy en día los israelíes, que estaban muy divididos en los últimos 10 meses, están más unidos que nunca. Yo quiero decir algo, porque mencionaste a Argelia. Yo he leído a los libros de Franz Fanon, que era el ideólogo de la revolución argelina. Y él consiguió a través de este mismo tipo de acciones echar a los franceses. Los franceses tenían a dónde irse, que era volverse a Francia. Los judíos no. Israel no tenemos dónde ir y yo nada por el Mediterráneo no creo que pueda. Quisiera terminar nuestro encuentro con una propuesta, has escrito un artículo que se llama, se requiere una coalición internacional y árabe en Gaza. Tenemos seis minutos para que nos expliques de qué estás hablando, porque aunque no querramos, hay que pensar en el futuro. Hablé otro día con el hijo del líder de Hamas, Nancy Jordania, el jeque Hassan Yussef, que acaba de ser detenido de nuevo por Israel. Y su hijo se llama Mosa Yussef y luego se descubrió que era el príncipe verde que había sido un espía de Israel de Jun. Y cuando yo iba a su casa y le entrevistaba, no sabía que él ya era un espía de Israel. Y él me dijo, jamás odia los israelíes más de lo que ama a sus propios hijos. Lo que decía Goldamero. Y eso lo dice el hijo del líder de Hamas, Nancy Jordania. Lo que yo escribí aquí es algo que es difícil de hablar de ello en este momento, cuando todo está ocurriendo. Pero creo que es vital que lo hagamos. Israel es la gran experta en la táctica, pero fracasamos a veces en la estrategia. Hay que pensar en el día después. Hay que pensar hacia dónde vamos, hacia dónde vamos a llevar todo. Digamos que es legítimo y creo que hoy en día en el mundo libre se entiende que Israel tiene todo el derecho a defenderse y acabar con un grupo terrorista como jamás. Cuidado con la población civil. Separemos las dos cosas. Pero acabar con Hamas. La pregunta es qué pasa el día después. Nos vamos a quedar en Gaza ocupando Gaza como hasta el 2005. Yo no quiero que mis hijos estén ocupando Gaza. Son dos millones y medio de gasatides que tampoco Egipto no los quiere a Jordania. No los puedes mandar a Líbano tampoco. Están ahí y se van a quedar ahí. ¿Te acuerdas que Beguin propuso a Sadat? Y Sadat lo rechazó. Si, si, si, si, si, si, si, si, si, si, si, si, si, si, si, si, si, si, si, si, si, si, si, si, si, si, si, si, si, si, si, si, si, si, si, si, si, si, si, si, si, si, si, si, si, si, si, si, si, si, si, si, si, si, si, si, si, si, si, si, si, si, si, si, si, si, si, si, si, si, si, si, si, si, si, si, si, si, si, si, si, si, si, si, si, si, si, si, si, si, si, si, si, si, si, si, si, si, si, si, si, si, si, si, si, si, si, si, si, si, si, si, si, si, si, si, si, si, si, si, si, I would like you to take advantage of the cameras of this program in Spanish and that they are going to see it in any other language. And if you had to talk to the National Palestinian Authority, the Prime Minister, don't make the President who may be a successor to one of the advisers of Abba, Hussein, who may also be a successor. What would you say to him with the experience you have that you have interviewed so many people? Exactly this. I would tell them that in a first term we will have to bring an international coalition on the one hand, but also Arab. We have to bring the Saudis who have the moral power and the economic power. We have to bring the Egyptians who have political power. And we have to bring the Emiratis who have a vision of the future and who tell me, I'm going to tell you something I never said, that they are willing to do it and they are willing to coordinate it, Abu Dhabi, the Emiratis, and two Kingdoms, the Marroquí and the Jordan. These countries have to come here and they have to prepare the terrain. I don't think Israel has to stay there for a long time. We were in Lebanon for 18 years. I don't want to repeat Lebanon 2. We have to never win, clean the terrain, deliver it to this coalition that will include the United States and the only real possibility of the future is that this coalition crushes the Palestinian Authority and brings it there. Who will be in the Palestinian Authority? It's up to you. I listened very well to all the nations that you mentioned. What it leaves out to those who finance it now have to escape and in a way it is to prevent the access of Iran. In other words, that way a circle would be closed in which maybe we can think of a better future. Iran has to be out of everything. Iran is a terrorist state that is destabilizing the entire free world. Israel is part of it. And how will it be to separate Iran? It has to be an international coalition with all the countries that have to worry about the future. Iran is not a threat to Israel. Iran is a threat to the free world and for the Arab world, Sunni, that is threatened by it. And when you say all the countries, Europe, Middle East, Latin America, also, apart from the United States? Without a doubt. I think that countries from Latin America would have the obligation to be part of the gas reconstruction and to be part of the future of this region. Well, really, Enrique, thank you very much for your analysis. I think that in this way, from our little corner, we contribute so that people understand better what is going on and share your vision of the future. We also have to think about it, because today all of you are frustrated with what is happening at this moment, with the pain of the victims of Israel, with the disappearances that we have to mention and that we here ask for the international organizations that speak of humanitarianism in the world that also take care of that. Thank you very much. We look forward to telling you again to explain to the world what is happening. Thank you, Enrique, for being with us. Nicole, really, a topic on which we will continue to talk. Sure. Those of you who want can follow us on Facebook, on Twitter, on the channel 34 of HOT. You can answer our survey and we will continue to talk about Israel under attack. Thank you for being with us. 1,300 people murdered and more than 3,000 injured and the war with Hamas continues. We bring you first-hand testimonies from the front lines, from those who survived and all the records of the atrocities by Hamas. Follow us as Israel fights terror from the south and north. Get the inside scoop on what's going on. Only on I-24 News. We're reporting in Tel Aviv. Since the outbreak of this war in Israel, our journalists here at I-24 News have been providing around-the-clock coverage, giving a voice to all of those impacted by the October 7th massacre. We're getting perspective on the whole left throughout Israeli society and the impact on the entire Middle East. Here are some of the best stories from our coverage since the war began. A little closer. Can I get out of the car? Right here is the house. Can you smell it? I have to go inside. At the gate of Kibbut Nakhaloz, Mayan, the mother of 15-year-old Daphna and 8-year-old Ella, tries to enter. She's trying to get an impression of what happened to them when they were kidnapped by Hamas into Gaza. Last week, she learned that the father of her daughters, her ex-husband Noam Eliakim, was found dead after he was murdered by the terrorists who broke into their home on October 7th. His body was found a few hours after his wife and 17-year-old son were laid to rest, side by side. I was in my home in the Kibbutz. I woke up from rocket alert sirens. I then heard unusual gunshots, which were right outside my window. I immediately ran to the security room and called my mom. I said to her, Mom, do you also hear gunshots? It sounds really close. Are there terrorists? She told me, no. And I said, Mom, are you sure? I'm telling you, I can hear it. It's outside my window. They're here. We don't understand what was happening. Friends called me in the morning. They asked me how the situation was in the Kibbutz if everything was okay. It was about 8 in the morning. From that moment, I was on the phone non-stop with Mom and Noam and Tomel. Video calls, trying to see what was going on with him. I spoke to them until half past 10. And then it was all over. No one answered anymore. A few hours passed and then I get a call. Stav, there's a live feed from your mother's Facebook. Their last hours were recorded in a video that is now part of the collective memory of the attack. The horrific use of cameras and Facebook live streams by the terrorists. You are not about. You are not about. In an unprecedented act of cruelty, Hamas terrorists used 17-year-old Tomel to lure other families out of the security rooms and murdered them. Hello, open the door. Open the door. I will not shut. Open the door. I will not shut. Open the door. I will shut. I will shut now. Open the door. I just want to get the nachalos. I just want to get the nachalos. To my daughter's room, I want to see my little daughter's teddy bear. The big girl's dressing table. To see where they sat in the video, Dapna, Noam, Dikla, Ella, Tomel, I want to get there to the place from where my family was taken. They want to sleep at home and woke up in Gaza. What a nightmare, the place they should be safest. For any person in the world. They were pulled out of their bed by terrorists by the most brutal murderers into hell, into horror. Her daughters, Dapna and Ella, are among the only victims documented alive inside Gaza. We miss them so much. It's hard for me to think that they're there. I don't know what's going on with them. If they're okay, what are they thinking? I don't know anything at all. I will cross oceans to reach them. Hamas messed with the wrong mother.  On the way to nachalos, we pass through the slaughter zones, the fields of death, and to the place is still dangerous. We are stopped at the checkpoint. They fear fire of anti-tank missiles on the road. Even after the threat was removed, the soldiers received orders not to allow anyone through. The threat is too real. Excuse me, is there any chance you'll let me in? Who are you? I'm the mother of Dapna and Ella, who are kidnapped in Gaza. Wait a minute, please. Finally, the gate opens. There's no other way to get in. Come on. The sight that it was so important for her to get out was impossible. But in front of the house, things get even more difficult. The soldier who assisted us wants to spare her the terrible sight and finds himself in a heartbreaking situation. I'm begging, please, you have to let me in. Mayan, I ask not. I beg of you, don't enter. If it's hard for me, I'll turn my head. I'm a strong woman, really. If my daughter stood up to it, I will stand up to it, too. No, no, no. They did not see what I see now. Most of the members of this kibbut, which was infiltrated by more than a hundred terrorists, are displaced from their homes and have yet to return. You want me to bring your daughter's clothes? Both Dapna's and Ella's, please. She fought to bring them to the world. Now they are all she has left. The whole world has to see what they did here.  After the IDF shared with hundreds of foreign journalists body cam videos and pictures from Hamas's October 7th onslaught on Southern Israel, the Shin Bet and Israeli police shared footage from interrogations of Hamas terrorists from Gaza who participated in a destruction in mass murder. In it, they describe in detail how they were ordered to kill and kidnap women and children. The detainees said in their investigations that they received orders to kidnap as many people as they could. The detainees said in their investigations that they received orders to kidnap as many people as they could, specifically women and children, and to kill the rest. They entered the house. There was a room in the house, locked. The door was closed. There was a sound inside. They entered the house. There was one woman on the door. She was in the bathroom, of course. There was a man inside the door. The whole house was closed. The first door was closed. The woman's room was closed. The door was closed. The woman's room was closed. The woman's room was closed. The woman's room was closed. The door was closed. The dog was walking in the street. They took her away. What happened? We were taken away by the police. Yes. Where were you taken? I was taken by a lot of people. Yes, three people. Yes, I was taken by a lot of people. What did you do in the house? We were taken away by police. The door that came in was closed. The woman inside the door was locked. They left the door and were taken open. They looked at each other. They were said to go to the entrance. They opened the door and went inside. They didn't realize that they were scared. They took her to the police station. They put her on the door. They locked her in the door. She opened the door and left. When one of them came in, he said that we should go in and take a rest. Do you have any weapons in case of an accident? No, I don't have any weapons. With many around the world denying the atrocities that were committed against innocent Israeli civilians, Israeli interrogators asked the detainees what Islam has to say about what they did. According to the old religion, isn't it Islam? Yes. The old religion says that you should come and kill them. No. No? Let me stop. These atrocities, you don't see how they killed civilians? Yes.    The arrested Hamas terrorists point a blaming finger at their leadership, who seeks refuge abroad, while Gaza is laid to rubble. It's been nine days since the horrific slaughter in the community surrounding the Gaza Strip, and the dust is still settling. But at Israel's National Medical Forensic Center, examiners are working around the clock to identify as many of the 1,400 bodies. And at times, it's an impossible task.  You cannot see what is there. Again, go another one. And this, when we separated it, we see that there are two people there at least. We don't know how many people are there. So these people were sitting in the room. And they were not shot because we don't see any metal fragments there. But they were banned because they were not shot. This is like a crematorium. They were banned in the security room. And this is what is actually left from them. I don't know if you will be able to take DNA from these samples because they are very childlike. You can see here two spines, another one. You can see two spines. And Dr. Nachman can show two ribs, two sets of ribs. And this is an adult with a child. They're sitting together and hugged. Sorry. An adult is hugging the child. No, no. The first one. Dr. Nachman thinks it might, this metal wire that you see here might use to tie two bodies together. And they were banned like this. Since last Saturday, the center's examiners have checked over 950 body bags. Some have the remains of more than one body of victims from the border communities, the Desert Music Festival, and security forces. So far, there are about 500 bodies that were identified. And there are still close to 300 bodies that remain unidentified. And new ones keep coming in. We're beginning samples from the deceased. We're sampling them for the right amount of material that we need to extract DNA for. Then we'll use that to create a genetic profile and compare it to the family members who wait for the answers. Many of the bodies have bullet wounds, some also in the hands, as the victims were trying to protect themselves in their final moments. Burnt babies, headless bodies. Some of the bodies are in such bad condition that they may never be identified. So this is a baby mattress. Just by addition of the size of the spot, it seems that he or she was bleeding in the bed. I never saw anything like this. This is heart-wrenching because you can see innocent people that were just butchered. And people that were shot where they were tied, people that were burned to death, people that were tied together. So this cruelty is something that you cannot imagine anything like that. With a ground invasion looming and increasing international criticism over Israel's response, there is also a growing movement of people denying that Hamas terrorists committed such horrific acts of violence and torture. Hundreds of people from first responders to the medical examiners at this center have seen it all. You've seen this happen. I saw you pictures of dead bodies and also babies. You've seen it. And I don't know how many were decapitated and so on. We see people without heads. But things have happened. Just to deny it didn't happen, you saw the picture. You see the bodies. It's here. You can tell yourself any story that you want and you can believe it.  In the Makabi House, if you could believe this is normally the professional basketball stadium Makabi Rishon Lezion Basketball Team, a very good team here. Now that we're in the middle of this war, this has literally turned into an emergency place to collect special items that are going directly to the soldiers in the south of Israel right now along the border preparing to do whatever is being prepared to do. You can see here we have clothes, underwear, supplies, hygienic items and a very enthusiastic crowd, which we're going to get to in a second. I want to also share here, if you look at some of these boxes, it's been over 2,000 boxes that have been packed with individual notes. Look at this. Individual notes, this is going to our children that are fighting and defending Israel at this time. Shampoo, toothpaste, underwear, basic supplies that human beings need that are going to be fighting this war. And this is the heart and soul again of this country, this group of people that have been here every single day. Even the supply isn't that full because they've given it all away, all away. So now we are joined by a very special man. He's a deputy mayor of Rishon Lezion. Thank you so much for number one being so on top of your beloved city and all of these wonderful people who already feel like family. And I've only been here an hour with you. It feels good to be here in spite of the fact that we're here for the worst possible reason. Yeah, in order to overcome the atrocities we hear from the front, the best way for us and to boost the morale is just bring all these wonderful volunteers to do everything they can in order to help our troops on the Gaza border, unfortunately now even on the northern border, and to help all the families that lost their best friends and all their kings and everything. And don't forget there are so many missing people. After six days they still don't know where they are. It's unbelievable how they kidnapped babies, elderies, 90 years old in wheelchairs and everything and they just want to have any news from their families. So these boxes that you guys are preparing, there have been more than 2,000 that are literally being delivered in armored cars directly to the soldiers at the border of Gaza that we know of right now. Exactly, they take everything directly to the soldiers and to the Kibbutz near the border which all the homes were burned and they don't have any clothes, any food, nothing. And we give them the first aid to survive the first days. Also with Rishon, a very tight community as we can see here, this is really, I'm loving being here in Rishon with you all right now. It gives me a lot of comfort to be here with such strong, warm people. And I just want to know, I mean how are you dealing with the fact there are what, how many people from Rishon have been killed? 30? 30 was delivered to us this data on Sunday. I'm very sad to say that the numbers are growing by each day. So how do we deal with this? Explain why this is how Amis-Rail deals with this. We have mainly our viewers in the United States. So what is your message besides what we're going to get to in a moment? Our message is that we don't have any other country and that's our secret weapon. We don't have anywhere to go. This is the only country in the world that can safeguard all the Jews. So nobody will drive us away from our country and from our homeland. Amen. All right now, all of you do you have something to say? This is a very active scene and we need to get in the car as we're talking. Within 100 soldiers and civilians have been kidnapped. Entire families including babies and children and elderly were butchered in their beds. Awaken the giant and we are ready and we are strong. Everyone is showing up. This is the unity. It's very hard to see these innocent kids who are now in some tunnel in Gaza. Who knows what's happened to them. Kids who saw their parents being shot and then were kidnapped into Gaza. Special broadcast here on I-24 News as we continue our rolling coverage. Day 22 of Israel's war against Hamas in Gaza. 22 days after the horrific onslaught resulting in the slaughter of 1,400 Israelis on October 7th. Some of the worst atrocities committed in modern times and the worst massacre of the Jewish people since the Holocaust. This evening Hamas terrorists firing several barrages of rockets into central and southern Israel. Sending millions of Israelis into shelters. Alerts rang in Tel Aviv. Resionate Zion, Give a Time, Ashkelon and many other communities. A direct hit was recorded in the city of Kiertono also in Ramadan just east of Tel Aviv. Earlier a third terror squad eliminated in southern Lebanon after trying to launch anti-tank missiles towards Israeli troops. In the West Bank more arrests of Hamas operatives and in the south the IDF expanding action. Combined aerial and ground activity killing the heads of Hamas' aerial and naval operations. At this very hour Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu just