Hi. I'm Phil Zimmerman, and I just wanted to show you what I've been doing lately. I spoke here last year about my new project, Z-Phone, which is a secure VoIP protocol. And I've got a protocol, which we've submitted to the IETF as an internet draft. There's an SDK to implement the protocol, and there is also this application called Z-Phone that uses the SDK to implement the protocol to allow you to use whatever VoIP client you'd like to use and secure it. It's kind of like a bump in the wire, only there's no wire. It's a bump in the protocol stack. So it filters the IP traffic in and out of your computer, looking for VoIP traffic, and intercepts it and intercedes to secure the call.  So we're going to do the demo up front here. So first thing I want to do is run iChat. Did you know that iChat is a VoIP client? I didn't know that until I actually tried it with this. Let's see. So we're going to call a friend of mine in New Mexico and see if we can get encrypted audio and video. It does both. I hope this works. It's negotiating the keys here. Hi, Steve. You're visible to a large audience here at DEF CON, and nobody can intercept this communication. So I guess we could talk about secret stuff. You got anything subversive you'd like to say? As the audience can readily see, Steve would never talk about anything subversive. Not really. Not really in the least bit subversive. Okay, Steve, say something. Not me. I'm not subversive. All right. Okay, just to make sure there's no man in the middle, let's see if we're using the same session key. Slingshot millionaire. Okay. I'm using the same word list. Many of you use PGP, and you know that if you want to compare PGP fingerprints, you could either compare them in hexadecimal, or you can compare them using a list of words, and that's what I'm using here, the same word list that PGP uses. Steve, do you have Slingshot millionaire displayed on your... Well, then I guess there's no man in the middle. Now that would have been exciting if there was, right? It would have been quite surprising. And in an environment like this, maybe it wouldn't be that surprising. Okay. The checkbox is still checked for verify. Yeah. Okay, so what I'm going to do now is we're going to hang up this, and I'm going to call you back on Gizmo, a different Voight client, and we're going to secure that also. Okay, so we're just going to do that, and we're going to activate the Gizmo Voight client. We could go on and on with numerous Voight clients, X-Lite, Iveem, X-Meeting, Akiga, anything you want, all kinds of Voight clients except Skype. Skype doesn't follow any Voight standards, but any kind of Voight client that uses RTP can be used with Z-Phone. So now I'm going to call Steve, and Z-Phone will secure the call, assuming that Voight works here. Okay. Hi, Steve. There you go, again. Oh, all right. I think Gizmo does do video, doesn't it? That's that the iChat has the... You know, I don't think... I'm not... I don't think video is available for Gizmo. I'm not aware of it. I just got a new version of it yesterday, so... But anyway, so, okay, so, we don't really have to check here because we made a previous call, but the short authentication string is... What do you have on your display there? Fracture recovered. Okay, that's what I got here. Okay, I guess that's it. You can go. Okay, take care. All right. So... So the really spiffy thing is that, you know, you can use any Voight client you're already using, and this thing plugs into the protocol stack. It's got a demon running. This works on Linux, Mac OS X, and Windows. It runs a demon in the IP stack, intercepts the Voight packets, and encrypts them on the fly. It negotiates the keys up front, and then has its own separate GUI to show you if the call is secure and allows you to verify there's no man in the middle. So, you know, I should have asked for one of those radio mics so I could walk around. I like to pace nervously. Is it too late to do that? Maybe somebody could bring me one. Oh, this one's pretty firmly attached here. I could take it off, but then it's a very short cord, so I'm taking it off. Okay. There's one on the table. That one? Oh, you mean with the cord? Okay. Yeah, all right. I don't know if that cord is long enough. All right, I'm just going to stand here, and I'll just have to contain my nervous energy. All right, so I guess we don't really need to... Oh, you know what I could do is let's bring up the web page or the Z-Phone project. You guys should go visit this web page and download the code and try it yourself. You can do a free download and give it a try. You know, this screen is too small for this website here. Okay. Well, all right. Maybe I should... Yeah. Okay, well, it's got a nice FAQ section to answer a lot of questions, but you don't have to go there to answer your... to ask questions. You could ask me. No. Okay, so I demoed this here last year, but it's gotten a lot more polished, and it works with everything now. We submitted it to the IETF, and eventually it will get an RFC. We're going to get an informational track RFC. Eventually, after that, I think that we'll get enough deployment to go back and ask for a standard track RFC. It does a Diffie-Helman key negotiation at the beginning of the call, and then, you know, to protect against a man in the middle attack, you want to make sure that the two parties are using the same session key because these keys are randomly generated for each session, and if you found that the two parties were not using the same session key, it's because there's a guy in the middle that I'm talking to, the other party, and there's two separate encrypted channels with the guy in the middle, and that's why we compare those the short authentication string to see if it matches. So rather than try to guess what you want me to tell you, why don't I just ask you to ask me questions? Yeah. Well, there is another, there's a related protocol to RTP called what I'm sorry, what is it called? The RT, yeah. He wants to know if the quality of service information gets encrypted too, and yes it does. The packets that come back, RTSP, isn't it? RTCP, excuse me. You ever see that film Memento? I sometimes feel like that guy, I can't remember anything. That's right, yes. So, yeah, the quality of service information is also encrypted, but not the signaling. The signaling is not involved in this at all. In fact, you can use it with any kind of signaling. It doesn't just have to be SIP, it could be H323, it could be Jabber, it could be whatever your favorite signaling protocol is, or just peer to peer SIP. It doesn't even look at the signaling, it just does it entirely in the media plane. Yeah, there's no loss of performance. Encryption doesn't take much time. In fact, Kodaks take a huge amount of time. Voice compression is 100 times slower than encryption. There's a little bit of calculation at the beginning of the call to negotiate the keys, but that's over pretty quick, and if your processor's fast enough to compress your voice, it's plenty fast to do the Diffie-Ellman calculation. Yeah. Was video also encrypted? Yes. Video, audio, you could have as many streams as you want between you and the other party. They're all encrypted with separate keys. Yes. Yes, you could do three-way calling. Every link that you do is separately encrypted. Yeah. Yeah, the SDK, we're going to open source the SDK because we want people to put it in their open source projects. Now, this application that I showed you, Z-Phone, is not only the SDK. It's also got this demon that filters IP packets. I don't really see the reason to make that open source because nobody's ever going to put that into their VoIP product. You know, it's the SDK they want, and so that's what we're going to open source. Yeah. Pardon me? Yeah. I would like you to take the SDK and put it in VoIP plants on all kinds of platforms. We've got this thing running on Symbian, on Windows Mobile, Linux, Mac OS 10, Windows XP, and we'd like it to run on anything you find to run it on. But the SDK is not a complete application. It's something that you want to put inside your VoIP application. They could be put into a PBX. By the way, we have it running right now on the asterisk PBX, which is open source, and we're going to be releasing that as soon as we can get through the bureaucratic... It is fairly bureaucratic to get things released on asterisk. By the way, we tried to put it on Akiga, but we find that the Akiga CVS code repository doesn't seem to have a version that we'll actually build. So if anybody can help us with that, I'd appreciate it. I don't know how people are building Akiga if they can't check out the code from the CVS, yes. Loud, really yell. Well, we look at the packet. We have a nice little... The question is, if we don't look at the signaling, then how do we find the RTP stream? How do we tell the RTP packets from other kinds of UDP packets? Well, until about a week ago, we used to just look at the signaling and try to figure it out from that, but we were having the Devil's Own Time doing that because all the VoIP clients break the rules. They do horrible things for Natroversal. Natroversal is the big problem in the VoIP industry, and all these VoIP clients were doing highly unorthodox things for Natroversal. I'm going to close that. What they were doing is, instead of sending it through the SIP packets, they were doing things like... I'm not sure, but somebody told me that Apple iChat, if it couldn't do Natroversal using normal methods, it would actually send a text message to the other side telling it what port it was going to use. There's no way we would ever have figured that one out. So rather than try to divine it from the signaling, we just heuristically look for the RTP, and we let a few packets go by and see if they have sequence numbers that count up, if we think it's RTP, then we jump in. Now, that's what we do in that daemon, that filter I mentioned. That's not in the SDK. If you actually put this in your VoIP client, you don't have this problem at all. You're going to talk to it through an API, then of course you're going to know what port you're going to use. You are the VoIP client, so you know everything about what you are doing, so you tell our SDK, okay, here's a packet encrypted, you know? Yeah. We haven't done anything with IPv6, but maybe we should. You know, we will. We've just been too lazy to get to that. Yeah. Oh, yes. Yes. You can make this be an external box that can look at the traffic from multiple telephones. It would work the same way as it works when it's in the same machine. You know, it's an IP filter. I mean, that's what Z-Phone does. Again, I think you're better off taking the SDK and sticking it in a VoIP client. You get cleaner results. The GUI is integrated in your VoIP client. You can... It just works better. But this is a good way to get it going with VoIP clients that don't have it. So it'll even work with hardware phones.   Yes. That's right. Yeah. PGP phone. Okay. Well, 10 years ago, I developed a product called PGP phone, and most of you are too young to remember that, but 10 years ago, it worked fine, except for the fact that nobody had broadband at home, and also there were no VoIP protocol standards. So it was kind of too early. But now it's not too early. Now it's the right time. VoIP is taking off. So I did something very similar to PGP phone at that time in 1995. I did the same kind of thing. I did a Diffie-Homan exchange. I did hash commitment, a short authentication string. In fact, I even used the same list of words to use for the short authentication string. In fact, the list of words that we used for PGP fingerprints was originally developed for PGP phone, not for PGP. We later adapted it to PGP, and now it's being used again. The Diffie-Homan exchange is a 3,000-bit Diffie-Homan prime. I'm using AES-128 or AES-256. For 3,000-bit Diffie-Homan, it's better to use AES-128 because you'd like to have the load balance between your block cipher work factor for breaking it and your public key algorithm work factor for breaking it. And so for 3,000-bit Diffie-Homan, it matches nicely with AES-128. For AES-256, you would need to have Diffie-Homan of size, you know, Elmondo grosso Diffie-Homan keys, like 16,000-bits long, and nobody would ever want to do that. So you'd probably want to switch over to elliptic curves for that, but we don't have elliptic curves in the product yet. So we just use Diffie-Homan 3,000-bits in AES-128 as a default. But that's fine. I don't think you really need 256-bit keys. AES-128 is out of reach of everybody and is going to continue to be out of reach of everybody. Yeah. Well, how are you... How is the average person going to use this when they don't have hardware to put it on? Well, you know, for Z-Phone, you would typically use it with a soft Voigt client. You'd be running some kind of Voigt client on your laptop. If they don't have a laptop? Yeah. Well, if you're using Vonage, you can't use Z-Phone. Don't use Vonage. Now, in theory, you could use Vonage and use Z-Phone. You would have to have... You know that box they give you, the analog telephone adapter? If you could take my SDK and stick it inside that box, then it would work. I doubt that Vonage is going to put it in because Vonage is in a lot of trouble. Yeah. In principle, someone who makes an analog telephone adapter could put this inside. We hope that will happen. We are partnering with other companies that make hardware, desktop enterprise phones, for example. In fact, there is a company called Ripcord Networks that's making a little box about the size of a deck of playing cards. And it's got a little LCD display on it and two RJ45 Ethernet connectors on it. And it's a real bump in the cord. And so it would go between your Voigt phone and the cloud. And it would do just what Z-Phone does. They're working on that right now. In fact, they're going to use the same kind of IP filtering techniques that we use. In fact, they're probably going to run the same code, actually, since they license it from us. If you wanted to use that with Vonage, then you would have to have the Vonage ATA and then you would have this box from Ripcord and then you'd have the cloud, the router. Somebody back there? Yeah. No, I wanted to be using enterprises. The perfect way for it to be used in enterprises is if it's in desktop enterprise phones in the firmware. But as an interim measure, they can buy these little boxes from Ripcord Networks and work with their existing phones. The other possible approach they can take is to put it in the asterisk PBX and then all the Voigt phones in the office could connect to the asterisk PBX. And so the first 10 meters is not encrypted, but who cares? It's only 10 meters. Then it's encrypted from the PBX out to the cloud. That would work. Well, I would recommend that anybody using Voigt would separate their Voigt network from the rest of the office network, just as a matter of security. You don't want your Voigt components to be attacked by hostile software running on some PC. Now, of course, not everybody's going to follow that advice. There's going to be people out there that have a single office network that carries Voigt traffic and everything else on their network. But that's a risky thing to do because if some hostile software gets on one of your PCs, some spyware, then it can intercept all the Voigt traffic in your office before it goes out to the cloud and store it on the disk as wave files. And then somebody on the other side of the world could use a web browser to browse through it like a Tivo player. In fact, this software exists. On my website, zphoneproject.com, visit the FAQ page, and you'll find in there a link to spyware that operates exactly as I've described. And you can listen to people's phone calls. I don't know if they're real phone calls that matter. I think the people knew that they were being recorded. But that could happen. The Russian mafia could install spyware like this on one of the computers in your office and intercept all the calls in your company. Now, there's ways to stop that from happening. You could make sure that you don't use hubs, use switches, and that all your Voigt traffic is segregated from your general office network traffic. But not everybody's going to be careful about that. So it's just a better idea to do end-to-end encryption. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, yeah, he should repeat it back. But don't put too much emphasis on the voice imitation attack. I call that the rich little attack because it's not as easy as it looks. The attacker has to know exactly when to say what he says, and he's not going to be able to predict what he's going to do the compare. You might do it at the start of the call. You might do it at the end. The other guy might do it. You might do it. You both might do it. In fact, you might even use the words in unpredictable ways. You might use them in a sentence, for example. Who knows? The attacker doesn't know what you're going to do. I didn't think of doing that, a readme file that tells you how to do the short authentication string compare. Yeah, I guess maybe somebody should write something like that. I'll take a fairly casual attitude toward it because I think that the attacker doesn't want to get caught. He's afraid that you'll catch him attacking. The wiretappers, by their nature, don't want you to know they're there. So they're risk averse. So I don't think they're going to try it. Yeah, well, VoIP is extremely vulnerable when compared with the public switch telephone network. I mean, that's why we have to encrypt it. We don't even have a choice. We debate about whether the PSTN should be encrypted because maybe you're worried about government wiretapping or something like that. But for the most part, wiretapping on the PSTN is, well, there's not a lot of wiretapping on the PSTN except for the government. The government's always found it easy to do that because they have a friendly relationship with the phone companies. But, you know, other people, organized crime, for example, find it difficult to wiretap the PSTN. They could get close to their target. They could get, you know, they could go to your office building with an alligator clip, and they could open the box with thousands of wires inside and try to figure out which wire goes to your phone. They could do that, and hopefully nobody will see them doing it. But it's risky. You've got to get up close, and you're probably going to get caught, or maybe not, but you certainly got to be at least in the same country. But, you know, like, someone could attack you from the other side of the world. That spyware that goes on one of the PCs close to you might be, you know, from China or the Russian mafia or, you know, something like that. So it's just so much easier to attack VoIP. We really have no choice. We must encrypt VoIP or don't migrate to VoIP. Keep all of our calls forever on the PSTN. If we do that, then we'll be fine, but it's not for government wiretapping, you know. But, you know, how many people here think that we're not going to migrate to VoIP? Everybody knows that VoIP is the manifest destiny of the phone system. So we have no choice. Now, think about what's going to happen if we don't do that. You know, one might imagine that law enforcement might object to encrypted VoIP. Well, okay, so let's look at it from the law enforcement point of view. Think about the asymmetry that has existed for so long in the relative difficulty of wiretapping between the government wiretapping and criminals wiretapping. It's so much easier for the government to wiretapp than for criminals to wiretapp. But with the migration to VoIP, that asymmetry collapses, which means that the criminals can wiretapp the government judges and prosecutors just as easily. So that means that, you know, organized crime will be able to wiretapp judges and prosecutors and listen to them talking about ongoing criminal investigations. They'll be able to learn the names of witnesses and informants, and they'll be able to listen to them calling their wives at home and talking about what time to pick up their kids at school. So I think that if we want the criminal justice system you know, without fear from organized crime, you know, doing horrible things to them, they're going to have to accept encrypted VoIP as being part of the infrastructure. Yes. Yes. Counterpath, the makers of Xlight and Ibeam are going to put it in their products. They've licensed it, and in the next product release cycle it will be in their products. If you go to that website it says customers, and you can see a list of the companies that we've partnered with to license this code to. PGP is going to put it in their VoIP products when they make VoIP products. Borderware plans to put it in their products. It's taken them a while to do it to, they're kind of moving slowly in VoIP. Asterisk is, it's going to be in all the Asterisk PBXs, so that's going to affect a lot of companies. There's a couple of other open source VoIP projects that are using it. Go to that page and see who's doing things with it. Yeah. The person at the other end has to have it, but if they don't, it just probes to find out if they have it, and if they don't, then that's fine, it just steps out of the way, no harm done, you know. It quietly probes for its peer. Yeah. You know, some people have talked about using Ipsak to run encrypt VoIP. And I think that you can possibly make that work in very limited circumstances. If you have your PBX tied to another one of your branch offices with their PBX, you control both ends, you own both ends, you might be able to get it to work. But in the general case, Ipsak is not a good choice for encrypting VoIP, because it's too low a layer. It's down at the IP layer, and there's nothing to tell you if it's there or not. You can't tell what if the other party doesn't have Ipsak. How are you going to know? How are you going to know this call is encrypted? And if you don't know the call is encrypted, why even have encryption? How are you going to know when you've got to just talk about the weather, or when you can talk about secret stuff? So it's just too low. You really need to have the encryption happening close to the user at the application layer. Now, this Z-Phone thing that I showed you, the Z-Phone application has a GUI running at the application layer to talk to the user and let them see that the call is secure. But it's got this daemon running down below at the IP layer. So it's kind of it's got this hybrid approach. But if you put it into the if you take the SDK that we have and stick it into your VoIP client, then you're going to be entirely at the application layer. Yeah. You asked me about generating the session key. What was it? Yeah, we generate the session key. All of our key material is created at the start of the call and destroyed at the end of the call. So it's completely ephemeral. There's no public key infrastructure. There's no persistent keys. But one thing that we do is we destroy, before we destroy the keys, we hash the session key material and store it in a cache. So that the next time you make a call to the same person, it does the same old Diffie-Hellman exchange you always do for every call. But it also mixes in the earlier session information, the key material that was hashed, so that if there was no man in the middle attack in the earlier call, there cannot be a man in the middle attack in this call. Which means you know that thing about comparing the short authentication string, you don't really have to compare it on every call.  But then after a year you decide that today we're going to talk about secret stuff. We've just spent a year wasting our time talking about the weather, but today we're going to talk about secret stuff. When you compare it, it matches. That means there's no man in the middle on this call. But it also retroactively demonstrates there's no man in the middle all the way back to the first call a year ago. A hundred phone calls kind of retroactively protected. It's not, they're not retroactively protected. You discover retroactively that they weren't wire tapped which makes you feel good. It's kind of like being able to floss your teeth only on the morning in this office instead of every day. The short authentication string that we compare is derived from the session key. It's actually derived from the Diffie-Helman result. What was the question? I can't hear you. How do I derive it? Well, I use an HMAC. I hash it.  And then I derive a bunch of secrets from that such as the session key an HMAC key for protecting certain packets that I use elsewhere in the protocol and also the short authentication string. So when I, at the end of the call I erase everything except for, oh, and also I forgot to mention some, one of the things that I save is stuff that I put in the cache but I derive that with the same kind of HMAC process that I derive everything else. So, you can't reconstruct anything by knowing the short authentication string. You can't reconstruct anything from knowing what's in the cache. If somebody steals your laptop computer and they get your cache, they're not going to be able to figure out even if they recorded yesterday's phone call, they have all the encrypted traffic and they steal your laptop today. They're not going to be able to use that to reconstruct your phone call from yesterday. Now, it also means that they could use that cache to be a man in the middle on the next call but it has this kind of self-healing property that if they miss a single call if they aren't there for the next call then they miss their chance. It heals itself and you constantly change what's in the cache with every call. You're immune to the man in the middle who stole your laptop yesterday with every call that comes after that. Yeah. The difficulty of breaking public key algorithms is different from the difficulty of breaking block ciphers. Public key algorithms are using mathematics that is not exponential in the same way that keys are for block ciphers. So, 128-bit key for a block cipher requires 2 to the 128th well, maybe 2 to the 127th on the average steps to try all the keys to do key exhaustion. But for RSA, Diffie-Hulman, or Elgamal or one of those traditional public key algorithms you have to have a much, much bigger key size because you're not just going to do key exhaustion, you're going to try to do factoring which is a much more complicated thing to do. But it also is faster than just trying all the possible keys. So, they're really in different areas of mathematics. So the key sizes are quite different. Yeah. Well, right now 128-bit block cipher keys sizes are still good. They're not going to be vulnerable to Moore's law. And Diffie-Hulman 3000 is about the same work factor as a 128-bit block cipher key. So whatever you can say about the amount of computing you have to do for that applies to the other one, even though they're very different techniques. Let's look at, let's just try to I get a lot of email from people saying why don't you just make the keys bigger? I'm unhappy with this key size, I really went bigger key size.  No one's happy with the size that they have. It's bigger, right? So, let me assure you that 128-bit size is plenty big, okay? And let's just take a moment to just see why that size is appropriate, because some years ago somebody built a special machine to exhaust all the keys in the DES key space, 56-bit keys. And so, in fact, today we're talking because of Moore's Law. But, if you look at 56-bit keys for DES versus 128-bit keys for, you know, a lot of other block ciphers that we use today, that's a difference of 72 bits. Each one of those bits doubles the work factor. Well, Moore's Law doubles processing power every 18 months in its kind of simplistic form of Moore's Law. And so, each generation of Moore's Law is worth one bit of key for a block cipher. So, 72 generations of Moore's Law of 18 months, 72 times 18 months, that's over a century. There are no engineers anywhere in the world today who believe that Moore's Law will go on for a century. Go ask Intel engineers and they'll tell you that they're running out of steam. They're not going to be able to keep doubling processing speed every 18 months. And the problems as these gate sizes get down to the size of atoms, there's no place left to go. And the heat is too great and all that stuff. So, you know, we're running out of steam. We're not going to have another 100 years of Moore's Law. So 128-bit keys are going to be out of reach of Moore's Law for a long time. And even quantum computers, you know, you're going to have to have a lot of quantum computers. And nobody has a working quantum computer that matters. Was that hand that went up going to ask about quantum computers? Okay, go ahead. Yeah, we have that in the protocol. We have other ways of augmenting the protocol. We do have the ability to add a prearranged shared secret. And we also have the cash shared secret that we had from earlier calls. Plus, not every application is going to have a graphical user interface with two human beings to compare the short authentication strings. So we added something to make it so that you can have a digital signature in the last packet that says here's a digital signature of the short authentication string it's sent across. But then you need a public key infrastructure or you need the signature key backed by something else, like key continuity the way SSH does it. And we're going to implement that. We'll do at the very least key continuity. We don't like public key infrastructure. In the 1990s, many companies went out of business trying to build public key infrastructure. I don't think that public key infrastructure is the right approach for secure VoIP. I don't think it was the right approach for email and PGP didn't really have PKI for email. It used something well it was a sort of public key infrastructure, but it wasn't like the centrally managed one. And I think VoIP is just not the right place to be trying to make PKI work. Yeah. Well you know, the question is about export controls. Export controls have largely disappeared since 2000. That's when the US government changed the law. The only residual export controls we have for software encryption software is the few countries that we're not allowed to export to. North Korea, Iran, Syria, Sudan you know it's a handful of countries and that doesn't really affect us that much. However, when you download it from my website, you have to fill in a form that says your name and your email address and it checks your IP address and it sends you an email confirmation message that you with a URL that you click on to download it. So it does check to see if you're in one of the embargoed countries and by doing that it keeps me out of trouble. And I really would like to keep out of trouble. Been there, done that. Yes. What? Yeah, it's easy to see it that the RTP stream is encrypted because if somebody could just look at the stream and they could see, well at the very least there's authentication tags on every packet, but even if we got rid of those and just kept it exactly the same packet size, you'd be able to see that it was encrypted because if you tried to run it through a codec it wouldn't make any intelligible sounds. If it was G711 the one that doesn't compress anything, if you played that it would actually make white noise. I used to have this little demo feature that I could click a button and it would play white noise. It would play the ciphertext out through the G711 codec. The problem is that it started using other codecs and then sometimes it would crash the codec. So I don't have that on hand anymore. So yeah, they're going to know you're encrypting your phone calls, but I don't think that matters because the entire infrastructure of the entire world is going to have to encrypt VoIP. Everybody. Billions of people are going to have to encrypt their VoIP calls because VoIP is intrinsically insecure and we have to protect our nation's critical infrastructure. Otherwise we're going to be owned. Now what's the proper pronunciation of owned? Is it the 0WN3D or something like that? How do you pronounce that? We're going to be owned by the Chinese or the Russian mafia or whatever fill in the blank if we don't encrypt our VoIP. Yeah. Legislation? You know, there is legislation now called KALIA that says that phone companies have to turn over their key material to the government for wiretap, but my protocol negotiates the keys at the end users not involving the phone company at all. So the phone companies will not be in violation of KALIA if the end users are using this protocol. In fact, one could argue that it kind of is good for the phone companies. It gets them out of the way. What was the question? Oh, having legislation to enforce people to encrypt. There is a lot of legislation right now to enforce that federal agencies have to use laptop computers with full disk encryption because we keep losing laptops. Let me talk about something else about using law to prevent wiretapping. I did something very unusual in this protocol. I did something where I, probably a lot of you know that I really hate software patents, right? I don't know if you know that, but I do.  But I made, I filed, I applied for a software patent here for some of the ideas used in this protocol for good instead of evil. And here's the good that I'm talking about. You see, I put a feature in the protocol so that if somebody uses this protocol in a phone that provides the keys to a third party, you know, kind of like the clipper chip, remember the clipper chip from the 1990s, if somebody does that, they have to declare it in one of the packets. There's a disclosure flag I defined in the protocol and you have to set that disclosure flag if you're going to give the key away to somebody. And if you don't do that then you're not allowed to use my patent for free. You are allowed to use my patent. Everybody can use my patent for free unless you don't set the disclosure flag when you're giving the key to someone else. I can't stop you from giving the key to someone else. Remember I can do that in my own products. I can make sure that my products don't give up the key to someone else because I can control my own products. But remember this is a protocol that means anyone can implement it. It's a protocol, it's not a product. So someone could take the protocol and put it in their product and their product could, you know, act like a clipper chip and give the key outside out of ban to a third party. I can't stop them from doing something out of ban but what I can do is say that, look if you do that and there are plenty of legitimate reasons why companies might need to do that, like stock brokers need to record your calls because they want to prevent insider trading, they want to keep their guys honest, or maybe a nuclear weapons facility has to make sure that the guy is not calling his buddies outside who are going to attack the place or something. I don't know. But there are some reasons why companies might need to do that. And that's fine with me. I don't have a problem with that at all. But if you're going to make a phone and sell it on the market and try to get people to buy it, you've got to confess that you're disclosing the key to a third party and you've got to put that in the packet. And if you don't do that, you can't use the patent. And that's what I mean and it's free. The patent is free otherwise. And maybe I'll still let them use it but they have to pay me a lot of money. I don't know. Maybe I won't let them use it. But the point is, is they don't get a free license if they're going to do that kind of stuff. So that's what I mean by using the patent for good instead of evil. Or what? My pockets? Well, they could pay me. Yeah, lots of money. But, you know, it would be known.


I'm excited to be here with James Granstrom. He has a podcast, be sure to check it out. And then Instagram page where he shares a lot of wonderful deep and healing work. And yeah, James was kind enough to have me on his podcast. So check out my episode there. I'll have all the links below this video. And James, today we're gonna talk about healing, soul health, breaking old patterns. I'm really looking forward to this conversation. Thanks for doing this. Thank you for having me, George. It's a delight to speak with you again. And I hope what we have and can help a lot of people along the way. Absolutely, yeah. So let's start with this just broader topic of healing and how sort of this mind, body, soul. How do you see all that connected when it comes to true health and healing? We'll kind of start there. Well, I guess, I mean, we've got to really start with what we can see, which is really physical first because the body is where you first learn about the first stage of health, but there are really three stages, which is obviously your body, then your mind, and then of course, your soul. And for me and my journey, I started out learning about the body because I started male modeling 20 years ago. And I found out that I could get myself in fantastic shape, but my mental health, my mental wellbeing was not even in the picture. I could look great in the pictures, but I wasn't feeling great so that there was a mismatch of energy going on. So I went down the path to ask the question, there's got to be more to real, true, perfect health and perfect wellbeing than just the physical form of what I'm eating. I've got to understand more about the mind. So I went on a huge journey whilst I was modeling so that this was what I was learning about in the meantime whilst doing photo shoots and going around the world, doing campaigns and adverts and so forth so that I could understand that connection. And that's what led me to also understand more about the soul health because as soon as I started to address the mind and the mind became and found a lot more stillness then the soul really kicked in and the joy kicked in. And ever since then, when I really started to make that shift, which was probably, well, almost 20 years ago, nearly two decades ago, almost just shortly after that, that is when I discovered that I was experiencing what I call radiant health. And I really want that for other people and I really haven't been sick at all in that time. And I know it's because of a few of the things that I've put into place that I do, like such as habits, understanding my mind, understand how to work with it rather than against it. And then of course, understanding the soul health, what that's all about. So I hope that gives you a bit of legs in which to start this conversation, realizing that we are quite holistic. We have to understand each section of ourselves before we can move to the next level in the game. But what you will receive at the end of it is hopefully this radiant, beautiful health, this balance. And that's really what life's all about. It's always trying to find that balance and you're always kind of gonna be dancing. I call it the dance, but hopefully in this conversation we can get you to find that beautiful state of equilibrium with a few tools and tricks along the way. That's awesome.  So at this time, people can contact you about that possible service. Yeah, okay, so let's get into this. This is really interesting. First of all, you mentioned that you were obviously your profession required that you'd be physically well or looked physically well. And you're saying that that wasn't necessarily connected to your mental and your, I guess, soul state. And I just wonder how many people have that disconnection. And not just in the modeling industry, but just in the business world or gosh, even athletes or whatever, it's like just you go around, people look like they are successful and they're outside looks really good, but we don't know the kind of turmoil or the kind of disconnection that they're facing within. And so how it must have been an interesting juxtaposition because I mean, in your industry of modeling, there is a lot of physical wellness apparently, but I imagine as you started delving into the mind and the soul, maybe that wasn't a common conversation. I don't know, maybe it was, maybe it wasn't. I'm curious about that. It was not. I mean, when I first started, George, I was the only one. I was the only guy I was in Milan. I was in, you know, in Tokyo, I was in London. I was doing this, you know, doing this tour going between different shows and doing these types of things. And I was the only guy who wasn't drinking. I was the only guy who was plant based at that time. This is like going back to like 2004, you know, I was the only guy, you know, going to the Sarch. You're going, doing this, doing this. And I was the guy who wasn't drinking at the parties. I was the guy, you know. And people were like, what's wrong with you? What's wrong with you? And I was like, well, I've done that and it doesn't work for me. And this is when I understood that confidence really comes not from having something in your hand, but it has to come as in a drink or a cigarette or whatever. It has to come from within which is about the choices you make. So confidence really was something I was challenged with because I was quite anxious. I was always like, I'm not sure what's going to happen next. I don't know what's happening next. And so one fears what they can't control really. So anxiety has obviously, particularly since COVID has been a really big thing for a lot of people because a lot of people have experienced a lot of uncertainty and my job was completely uncertain. And the only thing that could create certainty was the habits that I created. So that's what I went about. I went about creating a routine in a job that didn't have a routine. So my daily habits of turning up, doing certain things were what solidified a new level of confidence which exuded more energy inside my mind and my body. And then obviously my soul was like, oh, I feel happy. I feel relaxed. It's similar to a lot of people watching this have a business or are working on creating one. And that's the same kind of uncertainty is there. It's like, when you're in a regular job, maybe there's more income certainty but it's like in a business, it's like you have to create the routines. You have to create the habits and you have to create the clients, et cetera. So let's start getting into what habits have you discovered that really work well for you? Okay, so there are a few. So it doesn't really matter what line of work you're in whether you're a solo entrepreneur, whether you're running a business and taking care of people or you've got a family of your own and you're turning up to work every day, whoever you are we all need to create certain structure in our life by taking care of ourselves. And unless you can take care of yourself, alas, you're gonna be expending energy to others which is great, but eventually the person who runs out of gas is you. And you don't wanna be that person because now you've got nothing left to give and that's when sort of resentment kicks in, that's when sort of fatigue kicks in and that's when you get really out of balance and when the mind goes out of balance the body goes out of balance. So what we really wanna do is create a mind that knows it's got equilibrium so that the body can follow. So one of the things that I do first thing in the morning is I wake up, I have, I really, before I get out of bed I'm just thinking about a few things I'm really grateful for. I think that's a really important thing and I try and go into a memory if I can about something I'm really grateful that happened yesterday or someone I really love and appreciate. I do about three things and then I'm up and I'm ready for the day. And then so I get up and I have a shower and I have a hot shower and then a cold shower at the end. Boom, the reason why the cold is is because I want my body to become alert and I want my body to become uncomfortable.  If you were here and being living at this time you're gonna experience challenge every single day in some way, shape or form. And the sooner you get to be structured in being uncomfortable, the more you'll be able to turn up in life with equilibrium because you need to be the person in between who is able to remain steady when life throws you a little challenge or something happens or something happens to someone you care about. And the people that always thrive are the people that are able to remain in some level of equilibrium with a vision and realizing the power is within themselves to be able to focus correctly.  Wow, that's amazing. You know, I'm focused, that's just an internal focus and that is where I first discovered about the mind which then led me to the soul. It was like, okay, I can do the stretch or by the way, I didn't say this before I do the meditation, I've got like a 40 second yoga stretch that I do which is a sun salutation. And I've cut it right down so that I can do it rather than it's a really long one. I've got, I can do it in about 40 seconds and it does both sides of the body, give my body a stretch. I've given my body a fresh, you know, alertness for my mind. Then I'm sitting down to meditation, large glass of water, let's go into the meditation. And then that's my setup every single day for nearly 20 years. I've not missed a day, George. Wow, that's amazing. Now, just a little bit on the cold shower part, that is obviously not something most people do. Although these in recent years, it's become more well known as a way to maintain, you know, health and vibrancy. And I've started doing that myself, you know, in a couple of months ago and it's like the way I think about it is, and actually, I don't know if it's a good idea. Now I actually start with a cold shower before it turns hot. And I think just, you know, it's like it takes time for the water to get hot anyway. I might as well use it for the cold shower part of it. But I think of it like, I imagine it as like the soul diving into life. That's how I imagine it. And I get into the cold shower. It's like the soul had to have the courage to dive into this life. And just like me having to have the courage to dive into the cold water, because eventually once you're in the cold water for a few seconds, it starts to acclimate a bit more.  And obviously it's still not totally comfortable. But like you said, I think it does something to the body that keeps it vibrant and keeps the immune system healthy in some way. I don't know all the signs behind it, but I just know that it's become more and more well known. So I started doing this in about 2006. And I started doing what you did actually, George. I started doing it with a cold shower like before anything. And I did it for four months through sheer willpower, but I lost momentum. And I lost momentum because I was like, how is this helping me? Because it's taking me about an hour and a half to warm up after this. And this is midwinter as well in the UK and London. Currently I live in Spain, so it's a lot hotter. But in the UK and London, it's really cold for those first, that first few months of the year. And so it was only when I returned probably about a year or two ago and started doing it hot water, now cold water. So I start off warm, so I acclimatize. And then now the choice is mine to go fully cold. And that's between 15, 30 seconds to a minute. And what that's really doing is allowing your fresh, red blood cells to come right to the surface. It's creating a state of mental alertness. It's helping build your immune system. It's helping you control your mind by saying, I'm making this choice that's uncomfortable, yet I know I'm gonna thrive in it.  And it's a real shock for you as a little baby when you came out your mother's womb to have that shock from a water element to an air element. That's why babies cry, right? Because as soon as they come up, they're shocked to be number one, taken out of the womb from a different element. So this is called like the first sign of trauma. So as soon as you go back into that cold water, you begin to heal that version of yourself. Because the more you go into that cold shock, the more you begin to release and the body starts to repair, build this strong immune system and then your energy becomes bigger. So if you ever find yourself in a rut, in your day and you find your energy dipping or you find yourself in an irritable mood, the best thing you can do is go to the shower and go for like 20 second cold shower, shake it out, change your emotional state and you will bring your body not only to ground because water grounds you, but it will bring you back to the present moment again. And that's where most people suffer. They're far too in the future, far too in the past and not in the present moment. And one thing a cold shower or a cold plunder will do is bring you right into the present moment. For sure. For sure. Wow. People don't do, which is why there is a lot of mental anxiety because they're always thinking in the past or the future what they could or couldn't control, but you're not thinking it and all you're doing is thinking about it now, which makes it bigger. Now, tell us a bit about your meditation, the 20 minutes that you do in the morning. I mean, you don't have to walk us through all of it, just curious if there's any like main thing you want people to know about it. Like, how is it, yeah, what's different or what's the main sort of like technique or the way you do it? The real purpose of meditation is to allow the mind to quiet. Now, sometimes for 20 minutes, my mind is really noisy. Everybody's mind is really noisy. It's kind of like you've got this monkey on the shoulder that wants to dart around between thought after thought. But if you can focus on one thing, like a central point, for some people it's a mantra, for some people it's a dot on the wall, for some people it breathing, just following your breath is really good. Some people just thinking the word on, for some people just chanting the word on, why on by the way, on is like the sacred sound of the universe beyond the music of the spheres. As soon as you go into deeper meditation, all this sort of understanding just becomes super clear, but it doesn't sort of seem present. It wasn't present. I couldn't access it like a swipe card, getting to the VIP room when I was just concerned about eating the right food and going to the gym and pumping a bit of iron.  And meditation was something that was kind of like, I got signs to go, you wanna check this out. And so I got three signs in the space of one week, which is why I followed it up. And so if you're listening to this or watching this interview, then maybe this could be a little sign for you to follow this up because what will be on the other side of having a daily practice, however small will be radiant wellbeing if you keep it up. That's what happened to me. And if it can happen to me and I was someone who's highly anxious, just a guy just going about my business, just trying to make it in my work, trying to do this. But I was still being very much in my future but not in the present. And as soon as I began to enter the present moment, just things started to happen that were beautiful like a seed beginning to grow and bloom at the right time. And that's what was happening to me and that's what will happen to you if you give yourself that space every single day. Yeah, beautiful. So let's move a bit into the soul part of things. So how do you, yeah, tell us about it. What do you feel is, how does a soul call to us? And how do you interact, I guess, with the soul on a daily basis? Well, you are a soul with a body not a body with a soul. That's the best way to describe it. Your soul wants to feel this freedom, growth and joy, boom. And if you're feeling that, you're touching that soul aspect. You know, when you go to a concert and you see the musicians on stage and the lights are going and the music's blaring out and you can just feel the passion coming through, the people on stage, that's them in a physical form having their soul getting the chance to express themselves. So anything that makes you feel really, really good is your soul saying, hey kid, you're right on track. And anytime you're feeling less than that, it's kind of, you're not resonating with the soul. So you're trying to find that freedom, growth and joy. And sometimes the challenging moments of our lives become the most beautiful in hindsight because your soul is growing and evolving.  So one thing I've learned about the soul is that we're all connected and when you are really doing your right work, you really make a beautiful impact on other people and it just feels like home to you. It just feels so right. And so as soon as you start doing that, as soon as you start doing things that make you feel great, like following your bliss, such as Joseph Campbell's wise words, then you begin to touch that essence of your soul and you can do that every single day. And meditation is a way for you to become aware of that and awakened to that. And it's not the only way, but it's just a way. Yeah, it's beautiful. I fully agree. And that connection to the soul and joyful growth, I appreciate you saying that it's not always pleasurable in the moment when your soul is growing, but if you are willing to open yourself to the experience at hand and allow that to come through you, looking back, you may actually really deeply find the fulfilling that, wow, okay, this is how I grew and this is what I learned, right? And it's beautiful you mentioned that because if you look at things like Shakespeare, right? When you look back, you can laugh at things, right? And when you're in the moment, you can't laugh. You can cry sometimes or you lose your cool. I know I have on many occasions, but when I see the real wisdom in some texts and some poetry and some writings, like Shakespeare's writings of life is but a comedy of errors and how right he was and how tuned in he was. When you can look back in hindsight and go, oh, that was a good thing that that thing happened, but at that time or that breakup or that business that went south or me having to change jobs or perhaps me having to move home or whatever, whatever those difficulties may be, featuring every one of us. You know, you can look back and go, do you know what, that was a real blessing in disguise that happened, but in the moment you can't see it. Yeah, absolutely. And so connecting the soul's growth and joy to our physical health, let's make that connection now because when the soul like on a daily basis, for example, like if we can allow the soul to be expressed and like you said, find its home in our daily experience that does contribute powerfully to good health. And then the word that you use there is ideal, the contribution, right? So if you're doing something you enjoy, there is joy in the doing, right?  But if you're not enjoying what you're doing, you have to reassess to go, well, what would bring me joy and how could I bring it? Because everybody's picking up on the feelings that you're emitting or broadcasting out into the world. And sometimes we have to do work just to support ourselves, but can there still be joy in the doing? Could you still bring that element of, I'm gonna make this the best I can because I know this isn't the job that I really want, but it's a stepping stone. And what if I bring a little joy and I contribute myself to whatever I'm doing? And let's just see what unfolds as a result because you never know who you're gonna meet, you never know who you're gonna interact with, but I tell you this, if you've got a little passion, you've got a little joy and you're bringing yourself to the equation, even if you're in a, particularly if you're in a job that you don't particularly care for, that's just trying to help you earn a bit of money, you'll never know who you might meet on those days when you're feeling good, despite it not being the perfect job for you. Thank you for that, yeah. Let's talk a bit about how clients work with you. I wanna talk about your work a bit as a wellbeing coach. So first of all, tell us who you love to work, what kind of person you love to work with or what kind of stage of transformation they're going into. And secondly, when they start to work with you, what are the key pieces that you work on with them? Well, the main thing is is that I just take one challenge that somebody's going through and we find, I work through the solution with that person to be able to discover the best possible solution for the one challenge that they've got. And then it sort of tends to blend from there. And so I've had quite a few clients, I've had athletes, I've had mums, I've had high level businessmen who are running businesses, I've had single entrepreneurs, all each with their different challenges. And what they usually come with initially is like I've got stress. I've got stress where I'm not well, there's something wrong with my body or something or other, can you help me? And I'm like, good. And what I've discovered in my time is that I'm able to spot the patterns which create the problem in the first place. And then very much like a new computer program, I help give you the new software to plant the new program. And it's a lot easier than it seems, but the real aha moment comes out when someone goes, that was the reason that made me feel like that and why I've had this experience. That's the reason why I lost money with that particular client. And that's the reason why that business didn't work out, but now this is going really well. And this is the reason why my relationship's suffering. I'm like, and I'm able to point out the exact reason why and then show them tools and habits that we'll be able to bring that back into equilibrium. And soon as you get one area of your life really, really working well, particularly your health, it seems like everything else begins to click into place. So I'm just here really to help you remind you of what you already know that people have forgotten in a sort of lighthearted, joyful way, but it will be profound because you're gonna go away and go like, I just came for stress, stress relief.   And as a result of that, you're gonna remain quite well if you keep it up. Yeah, because from the new outlook creates, hopefully new habits that bring the wellness on a daily basis. And I totally agree. It's like if you can focus on the health and the wellbeing, it tends to cascade out into the other areas too. Well, James, I'm grateful for the work that you do and for the content that you create on your podcast, your Instagram and elsewhere. I'll put the links below this video so folks can follow up and check that out. Any kind of parting words of wisdom as we conclude this conversation? Yeah, parting words of wisdom would be, be gentle with yourself, be kind to yourself, be kind to yourself. Everyone's having a tough time. Try and give people the benefit about the best you can. Be kind to yourself because when you're kind to yourself, this is a state of energy or flow. And when you're hard on yourself, this is a state of energy that's forced. And so the more flowing you can be with your energy, meaning gentler, what happens is you create less resistance in the mind, which creates less resistance in the body. And the wellbeing is about a wellbeing of wellness, which is yourself. And anytime you're being hard on yourself or hard on other people, even though they might be justly needing that, what you're doing is you're saying, I'm willing to accept myself not being well because of my casting judgment. Wow, that is food for thought. I appreciate you saying that. There's a lot in there. There's a lot, yeah. So I encourage folks to watch that again, watch this again. And also find something to be happy about. Try and watch something funny on TV. For goodness sake, life's supposed to be fun.  Amazing. Thank you for that. Thank you. Well, James, always a pleasure to connect with you. And folks, if you enjoyed this conversation, well, you might want to watch it again to get some of the nuggets again and kind of reflect on that, but check out the links below to James's podcast, Instagram, et cetera. So, all right, well, I wish everyone a wonderful day, a great day of well-being, and thank you again, James. Well, wishers, thanks again, George. Much appreciate it.


From the vault. All right, so we're gonna show two videos and then we're gonna show a preview of the new graphics for Desk of Lady and So the first one is a new product that we're gonna have in the store soon and the next one is the UPDI stuff Yes, early. What is this? Hey, I am checking out a new sample. I got this is kind of cool. It's a stand And I think it'd be really useful for Hot air work. So when I do hot air rework Usually like I'm kind of holding it and I'm like tweezing and that's annoying because I have to hold it But this stand Holds it for you and then it can put your board underneath and I can do all my tweezing and I don't have to worry about holding this and You go up and down maybe This looks pretty cool So I'm kind of liking the sample. I'm gonna order this put it in the food shop. There you go Nice work stand Well, I finally put together my first 80 tiny UPDI based programmer and tester kit This is for the new 80 tiny 817 breakout Unlike many AVRs this new series. It's programmed with a UART system called UPDI And I have this running the programmer itself is running on this Metro M zero So it's like hey, where's the board? So I'm gonna insert the board But the orientation like this Look at that and you'll see You know, it does fuse checks that erases the chip it programs And it actually does a full test of the the GPI over the product as well This is cool because it's so fast even compared to using something like a USB console cable with Pi MCU pro which takes like 20 to 40 seconds. This is like two seconds to program All I think I'll watch out for if you're using UPDI is every time you write a fuse You have to erase to unlock the chip and it only took me a couple days to figure out But now I know Okay, and then we'll probably deploy these graphics on Sunday as you can tell nature's healing like when you're dealing with Multiple crises for, you know, almost a couple years You don't have time to do some of the graphics stuff you want to do So this is the new retro look of desolatiate. I'm gonna show the the video intro with the music that JP just did and We're probably gonna change up the music every once in a while We're gonna try to update graphics all across the things that we're doing, but here it is And that's our secret


One thing that Lamar always preaches is that he's a raven, and he wants to be a raven. He loves the organization, loves the people, he loves the team, and so I'm hoping both sides can find a way to get it done, because he's such a special player. He's one of my favorite people in the world. He's a great friend, a great person, and just a guy you always want to have around. Tell me about that, the guy. Because there's people out there saying, and I talked to Patrick Queen about this too a few weeks ago. Did you have to say he didn't want to, he could have played, but he didn't, and there's all that. Does that infuriate you? Because that's questioning a person. Yeah, it's tough, but that's the position that he's in. And he's been in that position for a long time. Highsman trophy winner, and any time you're a quarterback of his caliber, you're going to get all these questions and people that talk about it. But you've got to look at Lamar, the person. They don't understand exactly what he's going through, how he's feeling, and all those types of things. So I think that everybody just let Lamar be Lamar, understand that he's the ultimate competitor. If he could have been out there playing, he would have been out there playing.


the index point of view, right, that a lot of names apparently waking up coming out of this channel. Now the question is, does beta finally get pulled off? That's the very big question today. Welcome to Access to Trader, the number one community for those who are committed to taking control of their trading in order to achieve success, profitability, and longevity. Thank you for joining us. Here's Dan Shapiro to help you find your edge, master your process, and own your future. Hey guys, good evening everybody. Welcome to another edition of theaxisotrader.com. Nightly wrap up show. Hope everybody is doing well. So I got it all wrong, right? I got it all wrong. And I've been saying this for a couple of videos about how index managers needed to be long Tesla prior to the December 21st inclusion. I was completely wrong, okay? I didn't realize until like three, four people sent it to me, the index managers need to be long. They're allowed to be long after the inclusion. So basically none of this is index buying it. And this is the absolute craziest part of it. It seems that if you're watching the order flow in the options market on Tesla, you'll notice especially today, we saw 550, 600, 630 weekly calls that expire on Friday. Keep this in mind, they are missing a day and a half because Thursday we are off, right? Because of Thanksgiving holiday and Friday we are on a half a day. So these people are betting this thing is going to 600 bucks with one and a half days of no market action. Think about how crazy this is. But then we started watching call buyers coming in for three and three week expiration, December 680, 700 calls. We saw a guy come in for the January 1050 calls, okay? It's basically the guy saying the stock is going to double by January. And I was sitting there, I'm like, how are these people making these crazy bets? Again, the stock is a runaway trade. We've covered levels to where blue in the phase, we've taken advantage of this move. So we're not talking about from the trading aspect. I was thinking to myself, how are these people betting this aggressively? Don't they already know that the index manager is already long the stock? Apparently what's happening here is hedge funds are front running the index funds. That's how this is why the squeeze is going on. So when there is $60 billion worth of stock to buy as of December 21st, now it all makes sense why these people are putting on these bets, 680, 700 call buying. I mean, there's a lot of money that still needs to be put into work. So absolutely, just absolutely phenomenal of what's going on in Tesla. Congratulations for all you guys have been riding the stock. I mean, every single day has been given this tremendous opportunity, but today you saw that beautiful 2025 point gap up into supply perfectly. It's sold off. And then afternoon, if you looked at my regular feed, I said that $549, $550 area. That was going to be the squeeze spot. And if you look where it took off, right, here's the $549 area and just absolutely going bonkers right now. It's up to almost $565 after hours. So again, crazy run. Say what you want about the company. If you love the stock, if you love the company, if they love the product, that's great, right? Because I love all three. Okay. And it doesn't make a difference to me which way I traded, but it obviously feels better when this thing is really, really squeezing, you know, squeezing the lemons.  I'm telling you, as I would tell my kids, just move on, move on. You lost. It's over. I mean, move on. There's nothing really left to talk about. You can say whatever you want about the financials, the execution, whatever the case. The market has spoken. In plain as case. Again, the market is spoken.  It's the scoreboard. I mean, you're looking right at it. Everybody's looking right at it. And the most important part is, again, you're burning so much energy just talking about the stock. You're either trading it, investing in it, or just leave it alone. Again, you're, this stock is going to put you mentally into an institution. If you're not physically involved with the name, and you're trading it, you know, on a daily basis, just leave it alone. There's so many other places.  It's just again, but again, for all you guys who have been rocking this thing, God bless. It's an absolute, absolute godsend. It's an absolute blessing. And congratulations for you guys who took the trade. So let's talk about today.  Okay, very, very important session today. We talked about the Qs being kind of dead in the water, man, for like three weeks, and they finally got above this 293.75, 294 area that trading in 295 after the close. Finally, there's some sort of light. And again, we're not quite out of the woods yet. If you look at a lot of names, and you'll see them, you know, Netflix still looks like crap, right? I finally caught in the video today. Finally, it was a day early, but finally caught in the video today, we'll talk about the individual pivots in the second. But again, the video still looks like crap, right? If you look at a lot of names, they still look like hot garbage, but there is a light at the end of the tunnel. At least we are seeing from the index point of view, right that a lot of names apparently waking up, coming out of this channel. Now the question is, does beta finally get pulled up? That's the very big question today. And going into tomorrow, I think you have to give these beta stocks the benefit of the doubt, right? Amazon, you got Black Friday, right? You got Black Friday coming up in a couple of days.  So look at this channel here. And again, this, this is basically the same channel as we talked about Netflix, right? A couple of days ago and had that really, really big spike. If you look at the chart on Amazon, it doesn't scream out, Oh my God, look how great the stock looks, look how great the stock looks. Again, the stock is going to need to really close above, you know, 3180 for it to be on breakout mode. But if you look at this range tomorrow, if they could finally reclaim this range, and you could see how many times it's got rejected here in the last five sessions, one, two, three, even today, not quite made. So you're talking about four times in this whole area here, if it starts reclaiming, then look at which room you have to the upside. So it's again, it's a play we definitely want to watch tomorrow. Look at Microsoft. Again, it's kind of mirroring the cues right now, right? The cues came out of the range and Microsoft reclaimed the 10 day moving average on a close, right? All it needs to do is reclaim this 10 day, confirm it, and this thing can wake up. Look at Facebook, same thing. Again, not out of the woods yet. But again, first close of daily supply, if they could take out this whole channel here, then it's going to go up as well. Marriott, right? Look at Marriott as well.  Again, if it confirms, it can go higher as well.   Okay, we know tomorrow's session is going to be hit and miss as far as volume. If you saw the liquidity today, somewhere around 11 o'clock or so, even though the market started getting stronger, it felt like more of a meltup than a range break confirmation, the macro circuit on the cues. So again, tomorrow, again, it's a day before Thanksgiving, you're going to have a lot of people that are going to be off for tomorrow's session just because, again, well, again, they're spending family time or even traveling again. The government says, don't travel. Don't travel. You're going to spread this disease out. Pandemic is going to go crazy. But again, people are going to travel. They're going to visit their families. So it's going to be very, very interesting to see tomorrow, if we get a gap down open, which again, market will never go down ever again. And again, for all you guys who, unfortunately, I have to use the word sarcasm when I say that because a lot of people turn around and say, that's the top. It's sarcasm people, right? When the market goes up this much, this fast, it's sarcasm. Of course, the market's going to go down, but not ever again, right? So it's sarcasm. Okay, learn to wake up a little bit. Again, a lot of people, their biggest problem is they're trying to figure out the market, sometimes common sense.  It's sarcasm. Maybe it goes to a thousand tomorrow. I don't know. But again, it's sarcasm. Anyway, so look, the market is very, very strong. We'll see how much value we do have tomorrow. A lot of the names are still way under supply. So they need a couple of days to get over it just because the cues are breaking out doesn't mean everything's going to break out with it. So we still have to use kind of common sense, not everything's going to go up because even Apple that had a really good reversal today, really good flush first of all, really good reversal. But you could see in the daily chart, it's not like it's screaming at you, I have to be long Apple. I have to be long Apple. Again, it's still in a downtrend and it still has to reclaim the five-day moving average. Even Square that was really, really strong had a big run today, you know, got rejected and just got slammed down as well. So we're not out of the woods for individual stocks, but the cues are starting to look a lot better. And the fact that they closed above that 294 area, at least on the surface, at least are going to give these stocks, at least a puncher's chance to rally tomorrow. So again, we'll see. For all you guys who are celebrating the Thanksgiving holiday and taking off tomorrow or anybody just watching this broadcast, again guys, I wish you guys lots of love and happiness, a lot of health, you know, just smile. It's so easy to smile and the people who can put a smile on their face usually would live a much more productive, satisfying life smile. It doesn't really cost you to smile, just try to put a smile on your face and maybe life will be a little bit more sweeter. So let's talk about today's pivots. There weren't a lot of them, okay, but the ones that triggered, the ones that confirmed, really did roll. And just because we were kind of in no man's land pretty much the whole day, I knew I didn't want to get long market because we had such a big run up into supply. So we were kind of waiting for that downward flush and we got it and we got it pretty well. So I put 475 on Netflix, it traded 47580, so never got down here. Apple, Apple and the video were the two big ones. I missed Apple, I caught in the video, Apple 1370, if it builds below can flush. Here was Apple, we talked about Apple last night in the video, right? Here was the 1375 and went right to the next support of 1250s. You'll see in a second, I said 1230s, 1250s is the next support. It traded there perfectly. I was a day off, right? A day off, square never got to 210. Bowling again, congratulations to all you guys who have this overnight. Traded right to 220 supply, great job there. I traded it yesterday, I took some cash flow on it yesterday, I couldn't figure out why I didn't crack it. Well, they finally cracked it today. 520, if it builds below, can flush. Here was NVIDIA. Here was NVIDIA, here was the 520, right? Here was the whole 520, just got pounded. My lowest cover was 516s, I was pretty happy with the cover.  So I still want to watch this thing to the downside tomorrow. But again, today was one of those days that you really had to be patient for the pivots. And again, here was Apple. I said 1230, 1250s support traded at 1259. Really nice move there. Again, beautiful. Just absolutely beautiful. And again, the two things I triggered did very, very well. I said, hey, not bad. Considering for the lack of value that we did see this morning, really not bad at all. So good job for you guys who took it there. Nothing on Zoom.  I mean, it did okay, but it just so thin, right? So it took out this 848 level. It went to 859. So put up a $10 move. It still looks higher for tomorrow. Again, if the market rallies, it should rally as well. Again, and here's the big macro break. 293, 80, 294 needs to build. And here are the Qs, right? Here are the Qs. 293, 75, 294. And they pretty much trading at 95 and change right now. So good value. The key is again, guys, every single day, you don't need to trade 200 stocks a day. That's not what it's about. It's all about getting value. Some days you'll have five pivots. Some days you'll have one pivot. The key is it's not about how much you trade. It's how many you trade properly. Guys, have a great night everybody. God bless and God's and God willing. I'll see you all tomorrow. Take care.


What's up everybody Jason for Jasper's case base calm 2021 panini chronicles baseball eight bucks half case break three random teams each number One just sold out and again. This is a 10 spot break. Everybody gets three random teams in the MLB. Remember no veteran common ship Everything else will so here's the dice really is a customer names. We're tripled up the names There's all the Teams will roll the dice got ourselves a three and a four for seven times. Good luck seven times one two three four five six and Seventh and final time Brian Croft down to Brian Croft seven times one two three four five six Boston Red Sox down to the Toronto Blue Jays So Brian Croft you have the Red Sox William with the Rockies and Mariners Brian Croft with the A's William with the Dodgers Franklin with the Astros Jeremy or sorry Jerry with the Giants Eric with the D-backs Brian with the Braves Jonathan with the Cleveland Indians Brian Croft with the Rays Stephen Kendrick with the Twins and Phillies Brian Croft with the Marlins Chris Pran with the Brewer's Brian Croft with the Orioles Jerry with the Reds Eric with the Mets John the Angels Chris with the Padres Franklin with the Pirates Stephen Kendrick with the Nationals Eric with the Cubs Franklin with the Rangers John the Tigers Brian Croft with the White Sox Royals Chris with the Yankees Jerry with the Cardinals and Brian Croft with the Toronto Blue Jays In the meantime guys, I'm gonna turn on the top cam rip open the case and Get all that ready. Just so that way you guys have a time to trade and we're not kind of wasting some time So I'm gonna open up the case and then we'll do a little left to right Little dice roll to see which one we'll use and then we'll Hopefully have the trade when the close just multi-sport coke and graded cards raw cards It's pretty good value, man No hidden there should be no less than 40 bucks. No hidden there should probably be no more than 200 probably Most of the hits are in and around the spot price All righty guys. I am closing the trade window. I think that was a little long enough All right, so we have two stacks here of eight boxes on each side Let's see if we can roll a quick little die One two three for the left four five six for the right Five one two three four five six So we'll go with the right side. This will be for number two and Not gonna mark it. I'm just gonna like put lines through them Just so you guys know that Nice Rex Well, like I said by the time I get done with my list if it's still at seven Then I'll random number block the rest of the teams and if we can get that done tonight We will if not, then it'll go tomorrow. I really think if we're gonna get any more breaks done tonight. It's gonna be Diamond icons and hip-hacks or Both one of the other are both if you guys still want to Continue to break tonight Andrew Vaughan Look at that to start us off with the Chicago White Sox an obsidian rookie autograph That is gonna go to the Chicago White Sox brand Croft Nate Pearson, that's a rookie there. I don't think we need junior Trevor Larnish Havin Smith Yeah, Martin, like I said by the time I get caught up with my list if it's still at seven I'll put the rest of the teams in an R&B if not, like I said then She'll have to work on that tomorrow Marcona, I like bone Oh, we have 400 points coming up 400 points will be given out to one customer Dane Dunney Jazz Chisholm obsidian Aaron Judge a little relic there Casey Mice Garrett Crochet Labor Torres Judging Falsie Devers Evan White Andrew Vaughan Braxton Garrett to 10 for Miami Lucas if you check the break schedule It'll show you that the football mixer is on the schedule man Johnny Cueto trout We caught a trout. We caught a trout number to 199 Havin Smith and Jazz Chisholm. All right, and I'll put to the side the autographs to the sides of the way And it comes to doing a quick little recap will have that that's right foosballs the devil My mama said guys trying to date a grown-up like biggie bag and fold Didn't let me next box next box Right now to 100 and we got to 99 William Contreras from Zenith playing Kershaw Dalton Jeffries. I was actually watching a Semi-pro last night when I got home from breaking Nolan Aronato I didn't see that movie in a little bit Will Farrell just Just classic Tyler Stevenson mookie Mookie bets tonight I'll be a bias your memories set is We got Anthony Rendon Lincoln chairs look boy. It's a 25 Man, I heard they repeat reportedly like turned down like 30 million dollars 30 million or something like that something crazy I'm out to a do a sequel with About with elf to because he said it was pretty much scripted as the same Same thing kind of and he didn't want that again I was like, man, I would have loved another Elf movie Bring back Zoe de Chanel It's a 299 overdrive Cody Bellinger Casey Mines Trey Turner Tell the good nights would be a nice classic To bring back Well, one of my most recent favorite ones of his was a Gambling movie was a called again Where him and his wife What was his name again? The girl from SNL, you know, they're trying to pay for the tuition tip for her daughter to go to school So they just up the house. Yeah. Yeah, that was funny as hell Old school that's that's another classic that old school's really funny Step brothers is really good too. It's a classic. I just Don't know. I don't I wouldn't want to see it like all the time Like it doesn't make me want to see that movie every single time though I feel like I'll see better. We'll we'll Ferrell movies multiple times For the Amy Schumer. I think it is But the house though that was really funny They actually film some of that actually An old town Monrovia my sister Lives in Monrovia right there These lights really bug my eyes The step on Floreal look at that origins These these doesn't anybody love Pokemon doesn't these are two look like two dittos are not dittos Is it diglett I forget the ones also looks like other things But do Dylan Carlson How's young Kim Leo de Tavares obsidian autograph, what is this all stuck together boom Bobby Delback another 400 points Bryce Harbour to 100 breggy Fernando Tautis jr. Make ammonia Taylor Tremel Pete Alonzo Jonathan India Jonathan India legit right guys Out of 100 man Chapman Ladi gold rush or gold standard I should say but do number 2199 Bryce Harper Eli another 400 points that we'll be giving out all right next box, and we'll be halfway through the break us Sick though Sanchez there you go man sick those Sanchez autograph. What's up, buddy? Jesus? We got Alec Manoh Kevin it is sold out and shows that it's sold out But if you look right next to it are actually sorry it might not be right next to it It might be the second to next break, but there is a filler I'll put it right next to it right now. I'll reorganize the website, but basically We have a little mini fillers to help sell out the break so We have to sell this specific break and actually have to do two of those Actually, it's right in front of it. Sorry the allure hockey pack that you see on the website if you look in the title It says 10 times HP NHL dual casepots giveaway That means the hip parade So we have to sell that out before we can do the break because the remaining spots are hiding in those pack fillers On our FAQ page as well. It'll give you more in depth on how Fillers work if in case you're wondering Christian Pache though obsidian autographs is your redemption. Have your bias And eat your own nice relic Brady singer Chris Bryant to 299 no, I haven't Logan, but it doesn't shock me Crypto will be everywhere soon. I'm just looking forward to all the Disney Disney Star Wars series that are gonna be coming out soon It's all I'm focused on Hey, you know what the new Clifford movie didn't look bad Justin. I've seen Kenan Thompson was in there I Mean I won't watch that in the movie theater, but maybe Like an Amazon rental for like $2 later in life or something Or if it's ever shown on regular TV like PBS, I'll probably watch it. That's right the book of Boba that Obi-Wan So Katana was gonna have her own series as well and Christian Sorry, that's him Haydnton. He's gonna also play Anakin again Hey, well, yeah, I think a lot of people that uh I think a lot of people yeah are excited about that mark because of uh the rebels Animated shows so everybody kind of wants to see Seeing pop out of there as well and they kind of pretty much let into it at the end of Mandalorian, right?  I have told myself. I would love to get into crypto I see the I see the reason why it's popular. I mean just think about it, right? Let's say you have family members from from way back when right? Let's say 50s 60s For some reason they stashed away $50,000, right? They stashed away $50,000 worth of cash Then they stashed away, you know $50,000 worth of gold or something like that, right? Well In this day and era $50,000 and cash back in the 50s is the same value today, right? But gold on the other hand if they said yeah, we left $50,000 worth of gold back in the 50s It'd be a lot different, right? So I get the whole I get the whole crypto thing. It's like why Not have it as an investment because your money shouldn't be same staying the same every single year that passes by But of course crypto's risky probably just as As a stock market, right? You know buying stocks, you know, so Something I still want to get into too, but I just really haven't fully committed to it like I remember Back in 2016 or 2015 everyone was talking about bitcoin how it was going to reach $20,000 a coin and you know I even thought of get not that I would buy a whole coin, but you know getting into it at the time I didn't know what I was doing, but I was just gonna follow other people But I mean shit how much is a bitcoin worth now if you have a full one now It's like crazy sick though Sanchez Christian Pache Tim Anderson Leody to yeah 62,000 now and it what did I say it was like 18 grand I think at one point back. I remember 2016 or so It's pretty crazy Christian Pache number 225 Another redemption. Whoa Trevor's story Trevor's story that should be for the Colorado Rockies, right? William put that one Tristan McKenzie Christian Pache again our Pujols Dodgers edition Ronald Acunha Jr. Overdrive Keeber Ruiz Anthony Rizzo Relic Trevor Rages To 100 Christian Pache Ben attendee Oh, I see a green that usually means out of five Keeber Ruiz No, I had a 75 in this one though Overdrive colors actually really nice Ryan Weathers and Joey Waddle Let's put that relic on the side All right guys through more boxes If I do finish the video a little behind nine ten obviously we'll kind of catch up with the other breaks But it looks like guys Looks like the hip-packs might be selling out soon Our hip-packs are now down to eight left. It's like anything right low you can get lucky You take that risk and gamble and just get paid off really big or have lose really big I just think uh with that The card, you know the hobby You just can't be afraid to lose really you're you're most likely not always going to win anything You're gonna feel you'll feel really good when you do win those big hits or You know do well on a return On your investment, but Don't be afraid to lose basically it's like I have buddies or even family members that go to the casino and like They love the gambling right but then they lose a hundred bucks and they're so pissed off because they Thought about like man, I'm just thinking about it now. I could have used a hundred dollars and something else You know and then the back of the head they were just thinking about losing money, you know I'm like, well, you're never gonna win that way You have to be willing to like you have to be like my mom basically my mom loves to gamble, right? She loves to do like, you know slot machines mainly but she tries a lot of those things like at the casinos And uh, you know, she budgets herself. She's like I brought 400 bucks for the weekend with me If I can play for the next three days and you know, even though I don't win anything But I was entertained for the next three days. I'm okay with it You know, obviously in deep down she wants to win, but she's okay with losing that money, you know While other people are just so sad and just take it all personal and stuff like when they don't win back their money Although like there's been times when our mom has wasted too much too fast and then she's kind of mad or sad because You know, she doesn't have enough for the rest of the weekend but You know for her as long as she gets entertained and she gets uh to play for The next couple days wherever we're at Joey Vado, Jonathan India, Joe Adele, Mike Trout, Giancarlo, Peter Lonzo, Max Scherzer, boom Number two 99, Evan White, whoa How about a lubeb? Whoo, how about a lubeb to 10 gold? It's actually more yellow, but gold Three out of ten Chicago White Sox won a Brian Krav Yeah, yeah, that's too bad. That's that's another good way to put it for sure Yeah Going into gambling, you know, you're you should know that you're gonna lose, but yeah You're doing it to have fun, right? I mean along the way. It's uh It's great to to uh win some money Win big at the same time, you know, but If you don't just have fun And yeah, mark wall. It's just the thing. I think in vegas they don't offer parole. So There's no way for it to shorten his sentence even if he does, you know good and um Yeah, I think all the counties facing add up to like up to 40 plus years in prison. So if he does You know get found guilty or convicted for those and it really could be a long time So we're not talking like the two to 20 right now. It's It's definitely gonna be more than that And and could be I'm just saying which is pretty wild to think about And I don't know man. I mean obviously whatever what he did was not right at all, but They could use them as the kind of uh kind of the example of uh We're not messing around nowadays Even if you're a big celebrity and you know Oh blah Yeah, yeah, that's who yeah, you don't want to have a dy in Nevada either.  You can drink and walk or whatever, right? But yeah the minute you want to like drive uh under the influence of vehicle or something like that Yeah It's not not no good Yeah, mark basically, huh? I seen that news video that surfaced on TMZ last night. My wife was showing it to me when we got out of work It's crazy It was literally in that residential area they were talking about You know, he was sitting on the floor like I heard him even yell out the f word a couple times Like like knowing he knew he messed up And then I could go from shouting like, you know, he's out or saying like oh, he's a raiders Raiders is even blah blah, you know Supposedly before that video there were people trying to To get the woman out of the car, but I think once It caught on fire they all backed away because obviously, you know, it's kind of Don't put themselves at risk but try to help as much as they could Just sucks And the dude was at top golf like that was the craziest thing to me He was getting like lit at top golf I was like, dude, I was just at top golf when I went to vegas two weeks ago I wasn't there at night though. I was there during the day Well, it's inexcusable. Yeah, Logan for us.  It shouldn't even be happening But I don't think it's It's just more the decision that you make when You're under the influence Tyler Freeman. Nice Luminance Tyler Freeman That is for Cleveland. Cleveland Indians. That's going to Johnson Alec Ball Glaver Taurus Tonight or not for some Mackenzie But honeywell just chiseled JD Martinez Florio to 99 Oh, is this the Cody Boundary autograph? No, just a numbered part though and a 25 in Kershaw Whoa, look at that gold alec boom from phoenix 8 out of 10 k dots. Stephen Kendrick with the Phillies. Nice A lot of people are high on alec boom for next year And keep Ryan Hayes autograph for the Pirates Franklin. There you go, buddy Yeah, I love gonna mean I can't say that I ever did it But I can't say that I I never thought about it before, you know At least I don't remember. I mean, I don't know.  I didn't grew up, uh, you know, obviously very wealthy either So it's like a decision you have to tell yourself like is it really worth it, you know But yeah, I think more often than not I I wouldn't doubt it that that wasn't Henry Ruggs his first time driving on the influence because If the wife or girlfriend was okay with it Then Most likely they've done it in the past before and nothing's ever happened. So that's probably, you know Another reason why that it happened Because they just allowed it to but I don't know my wife is very secure about that too, right? I mean if she's drinking I'm not drinking right or if I'm drinking she's not drinking So she can be the driver and you know be responsible about it And she would never in a million years let me drive under the influence at all, you know David Peterson. Oh, look at that tonight or not Jared Kalanick Lawrence It's a long time ago, Mike. It's a different world now, right? You got very lucky for that That's not tolerated nowadays Especially if you're a big celebrity Or an athlete They will definitely Make you the example or as Mark said the poster boy I think we're talking about this recently too. It was just like uh The most not the most recent one, but one of the early 2000s with Dante Stallworth You know I think uh, Josh Jacobs had a DUI in Vegas last year, right? But he wasn't he wasn't uh, he didn't get into an accident. It's like that Last box guys What about our net mark? What do you mean? He was there too, or he had a DUI too? Corey Seager Ha Siam Kim Oh, he hit someone last year too. I don't I want to say no, but I didn't check the checklist I think well, Tony is exclusive now to uh specific brand out of 199 Christian Yelich I know I know Mike Trotting signing in this that's for sure. He's definitely exclusive to tops Oh, okay. Gotcha. Gotcha Daniel Lynch 299 Ronald Acuna Jr Joe Adele though is here That should play pretty good at the end of the season After being called up 99 out of 99 little rpa origins rpa looks really nice actually in baseball There's your shohei Hollywood He was just disguised as Joe Adele Jose Devers Juan Soto And our sit is a key. No, sorry.  It's time for Joey Bart to take over guys I'll be your bias All righty guys, and that was the break. So let me quickly do a quick recap for you guys Uh, but the second half if it hasn't been posted to the store, I'll post it up right now But these should be all the main hits little relic their core to seagrass to zekino joining steve your joe Adele Tyler Freeman Labor Taurus Yankees david peterson kibri and haze alec bone gold rookie Joey vato alec bone numbered kibri and haze Luis oviedo Luis robert to 10. That was really nice Jarvis or redemption uh over poofles relic Leo de tovaris sig dosanches sig dosanches ichiro uh, lodie tovaris Christian pache redemption is devon floreal leo de tovaris for now. It's a tease relic We have to do a randomize a giveaway there for the 400 points pelton jeffreys Nolan urnato mookie bets andre von pavin smith erin judge and then another 400 points So we'll go top two get 400 points is a little added bonus or if you didn't hit of course a little something So appreciate it guys the switch scenes Actually just put this away really quick Actually, let's go teams roll it one or two three times one two texas rangers which was franklin And the washington nationals which was steven kendrick There you go guys, uh 400 points are coming your way Appreciate it guys second half's in the store jaspyscasebrake.com