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The S&P is up 1.22 because we've got a couple of Dow stocks like Caterpillar that are down quite sharp. But then you've got Visa up huge and American Express, the other day, had really good earnings that was up huge. So it's a very mixed market in many ways. The QQQ index 100 trading vehicle, we're looking at a 347.18, up 6, up 1.7%. It sounds like a good number, but look at this chart. I'll talk about it in a moment. We just finished all the notations here in the chat wave. They detailed downside and IWM, the Russell 2000 small caps, they've just been fending. They've just not done very well. When you think about them at 244.46 on the eighth of November, trading down to 188.09 this morning, now at 191.79. Look at this, this is a propeller shaft in the weekly chart spoken for months, almost all year about this rectangle formation, how we can go above it. In the chat wave methodology, I have a whole bunch of webinars based on that. Besides my newsletter at the opening call where I discuss these things, but a narrow trading range means that there's a chance, at the upper end of the range says that there's a good chance that you're going to break to the upside. And if you do it with a PD in the chat wave notation, that's the fourth highest peak from that moment on, you gotta be careful because of the vulnerability. Well, lo and behold, it went back and tested the 207 support. It had a nice bounce to the 221 area. And then, boom, it breaks like a propeller shaft. Look, on the upside, you got the blade. This is the big fulcrum in the middle. Now you've gone to the downside. Unfortunately, we've gone a little deeper to the downside. Then we should have, this is the weekly chart and the MACD is very weak. The stochastic is down at 14%. Omboundance volume is getting oversold, but really bad. And the 9-3 removing average for a couple of weeks now has crossed negative. So that says that you've got a cell mode in the daily chart. You've got a cell mode. That's just a description. Remember, it does say, oh my God, cell mode. Everything's going, no, just says, at this point, it's in a cell mode because it achieves certain levels of support and then broken them. And on the weekly chart, look at this, if we close anywhere near here, that means there's a really good chance I have to at least consider that the monthly chart is very close to a cell single. And then it gets upgraded to a cell mode if it goes lower, but that becomes quite serious. But look, the 9-period in the monthly chart is still way above the 14. So that says, don't get too carried away. The technicals, the key technicals that I follow in the monthly chart are still positive. Let's get to gold. I want to do as many of these as we can. Gold is trading down about six points in 1789. Talk about the rectangle formation. I'd identified this quite a while back and I said, look, this is the core of the major trading in gold between 1840s and 1760s. That's really the fulcrum, the middle point, we've gone above, we've gone below, now we're heading towards the low part. And that just says that the whole area of 1760, we're at 1789 right now, should become very important support unless, you see this here, it's like a head and shoulders pattern. I don't like those patterns. I mean, I know they're around. I don't like them because when you finally recognize that it is head and shoulders, that's when it's already broken and it's ready to bounce. But what I am looking at is, if you look at the way the MACD is turned down in the weekly chart, if you look at the way this unbalanced volume has just made a V-shaped reversal, inverted V-shaped reversal, and the stochastic is very poor at 48%. It's just saying there's a little bit of vulnerability in gold that says it's still stuck in a trading range, but you've got to be careful that it doesn't start to make in the weekly chart lower highs and lower lows. And the only reason why I say that is because, let me just quickly finish silver, and I'll tell you why I'm saying that. Silver is almost the same thing. It's a little bit weaker chart formation. It's getting closer to the lows. It's broken key support in a trend line. Look at this, three times here, almost exact timeframe, not patterned, but timeframe of the arch formation. It's gone under it. Just be real careful because if silver trades under 19.75, it's vulnerable to go down to, what did I say? Closes under 21.94. I don't know what I said before, 21.94. Then it could retest that low that was made back on. I think it was December 13th or something. December 15th at 21.41. All right, the reason why I'm saying this is because the dollar is a leg C, which haven't we, we're always looking for at least four higher peaks should go to a leg D. And then you got to be careful with the weekly chart is in leg D. The monthly chart is made a leg C, but the daily chart is only in leg C. In Basel's dollar, why do I say that? Because in 2018 in April, we went along the dollar. So we go from 19 to 103, 102.89. Pull back to 89.21 and now have a really good rebound. You just remain low. We have taken one a little bit off of 96. I'll be back. Basel Chap is sitting here for Tom and Brian. We'll be having a look at the E-minis in a moment. Are you looking for a way to consistently add winning trades to your portfolio? Tom O'Brien is here to help. Tom O'Brien has been successfully trading markets for over 30 years. A frequent contributor to TD Ameritrade Network and CNBC, Tom O'Brien founded TFNN over 20 years ago to help educate investors just like you. 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And then what it does do, it starts to move up and I drew this in where I used the bottom line and I called it the Chapman wave. Left side, right side, price-time match. Usually it shapes like a U. If you can pick out the bottom and everything looks visually, it's hard to do on a computer but the visual is so easy to see when you start to make higher highs and higher lows, you say, hey, maybe we can have the left side price that was right here at 43-73. 43-76.50 in the E-mini, SMB E-mini at 14.01. One-mini pass two in the Eastern time, which comes down to the low of 14-31. Yep, 14-31, 231 at 43-22.75. Make a left-side, right-side price-time match using the fulcrum of the base. It's nice when you visually think, hey, this could really work visually. And then what happens is you wait for your moving averages to cross positive. Look at the MACD, the way it already started moving high. This is one of the few times that it coincided with the low because it already started turning up. Histogram was moving up. The stochastic was moving up. And then it flattened out to above 80%, which is usually very good. And what happens is it goes to P, D, then it's what's called the Chapmanate Instance Restart because within three bars it makes a new recovery high. So it gives you alternate count E slash A. Turns out you can just because the MACD is so strong, you can just go continue as if the count had restarted. A, B, C, D, E. And now comes the really interesting thing. Is this now an E and an F? You're calling it higher than a G? Well, I put the G in, it did pull back and that says, whoa, we have to do a recount now. That has to become that D, the low after D is much higher than the low that was made right here at 15, 14, 14 minutes past three o'clock. So this starts a brand new, that's not a G. This is in the one minute chart, a brand new peak A and a peak B. And what's really important about this is this is where I was going to come to and I wanted to do this while I, this moved a little quicker than I wanted. I wanted to say there was an alternate count here and if it restarts, we should go to at least a D in the one minute chart. But wait a minute, this will move so quickly. I wanted to show the pattern right here is a technique that I call the falling ax formation. Why? It looks like this. You've got yourself a rally and then it starts to make lower highs and much lower lows. Then all of a sudden it finds some support. If the next price move takes out that declining trend line, you can get there's a possibility that you can get a one to one where it goes up in the same angle, the same number of bars to test the left side high or maybe even break it. Wait a minute, didn't we just see that? Yep, there it is. There's your peak D, remember at D you've got to be a little careful, yellow light comes on. What it does pull back makes lower highs and much lower lows and then all of a sudden it takes out that trend line. So right now it's up 61 in the E-mini, 43.79 because I can't do anything now because I'm in the middle of the show. But this took out the left side high and that could start a leg E in the 10 minute chart but this has got a down arrow and now a new up arrow. It could be completely wrong but this is the way we do it here using the Chapman methodology. Magnetic cross positive in the one minute chart. Stochastic is now at 86%, over 80% is what you want to see. You want to see the nine over the 14. So far this looks like we should have a good rally and now I can get to what I wanted to explain just a few moments ago when I was doing the different indices and that was to say that there are a couple of questions I'm going to get to all your questions. I wanted to say that within the context is, I'll go to the doubt for now just because I need something you can see as the daily chart is the weekly chart is the monthly chart. It feels like it's fantastic but there are times where the price that's how you get a rectangle formation cause you keep bumping into resistance and keep bump holding support on the way down. So what I normally do is I grab now it's done it enough times I grab these outer lines and I say, you know what? That's the level we're looking at and then if I can make a smaller one, I go like this and I say, okay, yes, the smaller one. So it says that in the Dow, what we've got is a rectangle formation and every time it gets to the outer limit on the upside you think, oh, it's going to break out and what happens is there is a slew of cell programs or cells that people have and you just get this wash of selling and what does it do? It goes all the way down to the support level and then you've got a wash of buyers saying, hey, you guys are nuts. I've never seen bargains like this. I am going in and that's how it keeps going up and down and up and down within a range when it breaks out of that range significantly you've got a trend, especially when you've had the volatility index the IX.X, here we are, the volatility index. As I said this morning one of my early morning shows, usually I do the target technicians at 10 o'clock. I did do Tommy Bryant's market kickoff early this morning and we were just bouncing around just like he's looking at right now. And I'd said if the volatility index and start to go into the 28th or even the low 28th as the market, as the Dow has like 150 or more points rally after three o'clock that in fact could be a big positive. It's kind of what in a way I'm waiting to see but I need other evidence to say this is going to be a big, big move to the upside on Friday, on Monday. But this is what I was thinking. And I've seen this often enough that I think I've got a kernel of truth. There's almost no way of actually identifying it and proving it, but I'm gonna put it forth right here. There are moments, I call it the nudge factor and what happens is years ago we used to have these buy and sell programs and everybody would say, oh now they're coming in with a buyer program. It isn't they, what happens is almost like an options expiration on Fridays. Most of the time, and I know this from having spoken to just not many but enough CEOs of big companies who at the most part have no clue about their stock price. You think, oh yeah, we're gonna buy them. Most of the time they're so busy with the company they just, they have no clue. They just ponder, we've got such fantastic products and everything and the stock's going down. Oh, we have nothing, we have no inventory, we have nothing. Everybody thinks that our company is doing fantastic, it's going up, I don't know how it's doing that. And that's almost the same thing as the nudge factor in the market. So that when we see there are enough traders now and I don't mean you and I, I'm talking about traders in the hedge fund. This is big money, million, two, three, four, five, six, seven. They just put it into work, boom, like that. That if they anticipate that there's going to be a turn, say down, and all of a sudden it starts to move up, they have to make decisions so quickly, sometimes done by computer, but so quickly and maybe they just went short. They're going to cover that short and they're going to move with the trend as quickly as possible. That's the nudge factor and I suspect a lot of the time the big players in the market every day are kind of clueless but they've got years and years and thousands of trades and they use that ability for their trade. 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So that says at F you've gotta be really careful. Now what I call the one-minute chart, that went to peak C. That should have gone just a slightly higher to go to a D. It didn't, that can fail, that's okay. But look, the two-minute chart is saying, just be real careful right now because we've achieved that level that goes between the trading bands and I drew in the rectangle here, it went a little bit above and now it's a little bit below. I just wanted to show you that as part of the techniques that we use in the Chapman Wave methodology. Okay, now there's a bunch of things, questions are coming. I had a question earlier on an L-A-B-D, L-A-B-D, L-A-B-D is three times long. This is three times, oh, that's short now. This is the L-A-B-Ds. The directions, daily, three, S-N-P, biotech, bear, three times the I-B-B. That's the, I-B-B is the biotech. So now what we're looking at is, oh, you want the L-A-B-U, that's the other one, oh, you want the real one, which is the L-A-B looks, L-A-B-U looks exactly like the I-B-B, look, let me show you, here we come, we're ready, keep your eye on the left side chart. That's the daily. Okay, so it looks the same. So the I-B-B went to a lower low today, leg E. Now this is, to me, this is totally fascinating. On the shorter term, so many of these indexes, or sector ETFs, or funds, have pulled back really sharply. And even here you've got a potential doji candle for some kind of a turnaround going into next week. My biggest concern is this. There's no way, I mean, with two days to go, I'm about to put at a peak F in the monthly chart of the I-B-B a down arrow which says, oh, oh, it's at least a cell signal. It could even be a cell mode in the monthly chart. So any rally now, since it might, you got the 9-B removing average of 129, 28, then 132. So the question really was on volume. So we go back to the L-A-B-U and the volume is a little doji candle. Once again, this could be a turnaround for Monday, but on the 28th, the volume is 25 million and 39. And the last low on the 24th was 38.2. And now I have to go back because I, yeah, we go. Yeah, we go. On the L-A-B-U day, I'll add, it has broken Monday's low on what will likely be 20% less volume. Okay, that's just about what I was going to say. 20% less volume. And so far, the price has rejected the low. Would love a close over $16.60. All right, so let's just, if you don't mind, everything is going to apply to the I-B-B because most people will be looking at the I-B. A lot of people in fact are in the I-B-B. So if you don't mind, the whole thing will apply as well to the I-B-B because that's what has to move for the L-A-B-U three times long to move. So 5.7 volume on the 24th and 3.60 far today. All right, so it's kind of comparable. So the question really was what about energy? How does energy get used? And what my contention is that sometimes volume is really talking about energy, it's the fuel, and to really get the fuel to kick in with, if you're not using a battery, you have to be using a carburetor, or at least you have to use a regular engine, or a real engine, or that's to say.  So I like to look at a little differently. What I like to look for, and you see, this is a bit clear for me, you see the doji candle setting up me on Monday, as bad as Monday was at the beginning, we landed up on Monday, opening at 124.13. Then we went into date to 126.69, and had a low of 122.50 on the weekly chart. And we were at, well, it hasn't closed yet, but it said 126.20. So all I can say is, let me just double this, check this to see if it's not today's action. Oh, it opened, right, I thought that was wrong. 126.73 on Monday, that's what I already want to get. And right now, that's why it's a doji candle, because right now, it's just kind of at the, you're gonna go on away for the week, on Monday and you're back where you started. Now, what I wanted to say is, within the context of the use of volume, I don't get anything on the 24th. I do get the V-shaped pattern right here today. And this is exactly, I thank you for bringing this up, because it just takes me to the next thing. And tomorrow, for my subscribers, I'm opening call, usually on a Saturday and on a Sunday, it's usually a Saturday. I have quite a lengthy video. It's called The Overview. I do a whole assessment of our positions. We've actually raised a lot of cash. I think we're almost ready to start putting money to work. And so I'm gonna do a lot of work this weekend. But I wanted to talk about this. You see this V-shaped bottom in the on balance volume here? I'm going to show you something. I don't know, I'm doing this, hoping that it's a lucidates information for both of us. Look at the low that was made right here on the fourth of, there's a data chart in the IBB, on the fourth of March of 2021. Look at that ictus, look at that low V-shaped pattern. That was the low, it's still the low, even though the price has gone below it. In the on balance, that's our use of volume. On the on balance volume, look at the high that was made right there on the eighth of February of 2021. It's either exact, no, it's one bar earlier than the actual high of the IBB at 174.04. So I like to use this, it doesn't work all the time. It's just one of the myriad tools, CSN Rubber Toolbox that I've got. So I'm saying to you, I like your concept that there's a chance that we are trying to make some kind of, even if it's a bounce low, that's all it could be right now. We've come from 177 down to 122. I would just say that 55 points on $177 stock is a serious blow, it's about a third, right? So what I am looking at, there's a really good chance that rectangle formation that we're looking at in the Dow from the 24th of January low that was made on Monday, in many of the indices, I think if we hold well, and if today, instead of finally selling off at the end, we actually have a burst of energy and whatever happens over the weekend, oh, I have six or seven things I want to tie together here. So let me just answer you and say, Dan, that was a question. And I'm just going to say to you that is the LABU related more to the XBI, well, they look the same, that's the S&P biotech. Whatever it is, what I am looking at here is that there's a chance that we could have if there's no conflagration over the weekend and we come into Monday, I'm beginning to think that almost all the selling has to be done. I'll be back in a moment, Vazzalchap is sitting here for the one and only, Tom O'Brien, I'll be back down to 321, nice. 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Towns of 350 S&Ps of 17. This is really interesting. Remember the nudge fact I was just talking about? So this was really important with everything going on, with the possibilities that maybe there could be some invasion or whatever it is and you cannot take that lightly, the nudge factor is set to those folks that are just waiting on the side and saying, you know, maybe I should get him, maybe I shouldn't get him. Just, oh my God, they're running and they're running into Friday. That means they're expecting the Sunday night to be okay and Monday could be good. I better get in. That's the nudge factor. All right, I would prefer to look at things a little bit more objectively, if possible, hard to do in the market. So let me just do a couple of things here. The VIX index, in fact, is now in the low 28 to 2807. That's a really positive sign. We've only got about 15 minutes or so to go to the closing bell on a Friday, a day before the final day on Monday, oh, the two days. No, Monday's the last day of the month. So we're gonna be watching this closely. Remember my rule of thumb is that the VIX index on a Friday, you want to see is it holding green, which it only rarely does all the way into Friday and follows through with a big green candle the next Friday. Look at this, we had a huge move to 38.94 and now we're closing, well, the day's not closed, but it looks like we're closing towards the low part of this candle of the weekly chart of the VIX index. And this is fair in Russia. We've got all these things that we're worrying about, I even had to put the virus in the background now because it's more other things. And look what's happened, now it's under 28. So I'm saying that there's a chance and I want you to get to this, I wanna make this point a couple of times today and I'll be discussing this tomorrow in my overview video that I'm making for my subscribers. There is just a ton of stuff I want to look at. I want to know, I want to be able to try to objectively step back. For instance, we've got some really, we had long-term positions that had fantastic gains and we took profits on the way down but we still get some kind of a call and the question came in, why are you still holding it? Why don't you sell those? Because they were leaders of their sectors and were doing so well that if we were to come back, I want to see how they take off again. I wanna maybe add back what we took back. That's the reason why I wanted to keep them, one we were taken out of. I'm very upset about that. That's more an economic thing that we got to look at. Talking about the economic thing, let's look again like we did yesterday at Sintas. Sintas is the overalls, uniforms and rentals. The question came in, are we in a recession or are we going to a recession? And I said, we have been in many recessions, sector recessions. There's a terrible recession from 461 in Sintas Corporation, CTAS, all the way down to the low of Monday at 371. I would call almost 100 points of decline of 461 point stock at over 20%, that is serious. So this damage doesn't get repaired in a moment, but it does say that there could be a pretty strong two to three or four week balance. Make that H pattern then come back and retest the low. Well, I have to do the analysis of the close today, but I'm beginning to say, I don't know how much bearishness can come of all the, look at this. If you go to the QQQ, trying to rally is now up eight at 349. This is a better candle than it was an hour ago. That's a good sign, but look, nothing, there's nothing to see here. You have to start trading the 360s to say, oh, this could be really good. So, and look, there's a potential doji candle in the weekly chart. So it's very selective. So I want to go through all these things. I want to discuss crude oil. I think crude oil, now this is the interesting thing. What if crude oil has a pullback because everything's just put on hiatus for the next week or two, as far as Russia is concerned, politically, we're just stepping back here. And then you see a crude oil in leg D. You've got CVX, an incredible multinational oil company pulling back sharply from a peak D in the Chapman wave. That's where you've got to be careful. 137, round number high yesterday. Can you believe a round number at 137? Exact, and now it's down five points at 130 at a peak D, a leg D in the weekly chart, a leg D in the monthly. What if we just have an amelioration of all the turmoil and we have a think step back? And then all of a sudden, NG, which is natural gas, which vary on, not always, but very often trades in counterpoint to oil or it doesn't have quite the same veracity as oil. It's almost independent. It's really weather-related and many other things. What a really nice bounce today, more than about 8% right now, giving back some of the gains. Then all the way to 4.876. This is a natural gas, but if you look at UNG, which is probably where the vehicle that most people would trade, it is in leg D, it's gone above the resistance that I showed subscribers to open the call this morning. And it's the MACD's good statistics allows it, 47% on-balance volume is running, the relative strength is improving. So I think that we gotta keep up, we gotta be able to rotate through the different sectors and say, what's working and what's not? Look, the IYT. This IYT is the transportation index. The transportation index, I share the Dow Jones Transportation Average Index, too many words makes these double tops are unbelievable, 287.40 in May, plummets down to the 240s, screams up to where 281.45, tumbles down to the 255 level, screams back up to 280.87, and now is making a leg D with a nice candle at the bottom. I'm saying we're gonna have to watch next week really closely. I just don't know how much worse can it get at this point unless the whole time, not just the daily and weekly tides of turn, but the monthly tide is turned. Remember, I look at the tide, that if you can identify the tide, it'll save you. If you're going short and the tide is going down, you'll be saved even if you're wrong briefly. If you're long and the tide's going up, the chances are you'll be saved even if it pulls back a little bit. Most importantly, why would people on a Friday, unless they're being forced to because of end of the month buying that they need to do, why would you have a rally of 400 points in the Dow right now when earlier on we were down over 200 or 300 points? So this is very important. So what I am looking at here is this rotation is gonna be so important. I'll be discussing this tomorrow. What are we looking at? Why could a chunk of the work on the shorter term be done to the downside and why is it? Now I'm starting to see a little bit more of a chance that unless there's just some geopolitical economic something that comes out of the blue, I think we have a chance to have a nice rally next week. How long does it last is the question? Do we get out of this rectangle band? Just go up and then come back down and up and down. That can go on for a while longer than your patient. You're longer than your patients, certainly. Jets, this is the US global Jets ETF. Look, multi-chart broke down from that rising trend line. You've got a dreaded H pattern right here in the weekly chart. You've got the same a successful one so far in the, this should be a B, not a C, in the daily chart. But we'll be coming back from the whole COVID issue and all the variants. We will be coming back at some point or does it suddenly evolve that, you know that they talk about six to eight different variants from the original, that's the usual thing in a pandemic. And maybe that's a big factor because the more people get nervous about the news is cannot be good if you have another variant that's out there. So I'm just saying, watch this closely because if Jets, the global ETF trading at 20.36, manages in the next week and a half without breaking down under 19, no, under 19.30 can actually rally to the 22s as a 20.36 right now. And six, which is six, what is it six is? Oh, I worked in the wrong place. Six is entertainment, it's the outdoor entertainment. What is the food? Sharpening your skills as an investor is like getting better at playing a musical instrument. You have to practice, sure, but you also need excellent instruction from experts. At TFNN, you'll get advice and guidance from the authority and technical market analysis. 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Most importantly, I'm trying to put this together and tomorrow for my, this is gonna be a video that I usually do for my subscribers on a Saturday or a Sunday. It's quite a lengthy one, it's a video and I discuss the positions we have, what we're looking at, but this is a little different. I want to go through different sectors. What I'm looking at, I want to discuss like I am now and it's free for subscribers. It's for subscribers, so you can subscribe, go to the front page of TFNN. But most importantly, it's gonna be a lot more intricate than normal. Now, what I wanted to say is, look how the 200 period moving average rejected Jets, the US Global ETF. Most importantly, if we can get something like six, which is six flags, entertainment, which has almost the same pattern in the same area of entertainment, outdoor stuff. Look, right up against the monthly to the Chapman Web Insight Track Repel zone, if this can start to rally next week, it's gonna say, hey, looking out to the spring, things will be improving. I'll put this together right here with Disney. Disney is having a nice session today, but it's making this better. This is a much better pattern. You see this orderly, higher highs and higher lows just consistently. I like that, that's a good improvement for Disney. And that says, maybe we're looking out at something quite positive. I'm way less negative today than I was before. We've kind of fulfilled a whole bunch of the things that we were looking at. And now we're gonna see what happens next week. We'll try to prepare for that. And tomorrow during my video overview, I'll probably be discussing kind of what we wanna be doing, what we're looking at, and what has worked, what hasn't worked, and what we need to be aware of. 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I was just praying and meditating before this gathering and I just had a thought come to me from the beyond all idols section of A Course in Miracles. It's a line that's been very, very helpful to me over the years and it's really helped me out when it seems like in this world I had an experience where I didn't get something that I wanted. And then I turned inside for help and popped the book open or whatever and what the line says is when you decide upon the form of what you want, you lose the understanding of its purpose. It's very profound when you think about it. I mean it's like that one thread could unravel the entire perceptual illusion if you just let it kind of wind and weave in your mind. Because really when we look at life I think the underlying assumption for human beings is you're here on planet earth, you have wants, you have desires. It's okay to get while the getting's good.  But actually for others it's still very much embedded in the human condition to want. I was actually named after King David from the Psalms. Some of you might remember in the Bible there was the Psalms. I think you might remember one of those verses that's quite famous, the 23rd Psalm. And it's interesting if you don't even remember the whole thing, the first line might stick with you. The Lord is my shepherd I shall not want. It's an interesting way to start a Psalm, a song.  And you can start to put those together where you can start to see that happiness doesn't come from wanting. Actually wanting and desiring comes from lack. If healing can be instantaneous, if you can have happiness in a moment and that's really what the teachings are, it's just a decision, then when you want something it presupposes that you're lacking. And one time when I was just meditating on the Kingdom of Heaven and Nirvana, I got this word that came into mind. It was called Desirelessness. I like the way it was rolled off my tongue. Desirelessness. It's the same thing. So we could say in the state of perfect oneness there are no ones or desires because it's perfect fulfillment. Everything is perfectly fulfilled, perfect contentment, perfect completion. I think it was Susan today this morning during the morning session. She was saying is there like a succinct definition you can give for the atonement. And I said, yeah, total escape from the past and a complete lack of interest in the future. That's what the atonement is. That's the correction in our mind for returning to eternal oneness, the beautiful little succinct definition from Jesus. So we can say in a state of fulfillment there's no once, there's no desires, there's nothing, there's no thought of could there be more. That the ego is the belief and could there be more? Imagine if everything was just everything and you knew yourself as everything without end or limit. Just unending eternal love that the idea of more would be laughable. And in the course we are learning that it is laughable, but it's not laughable if you believe in the concept of more. It actually is quite confining because then you are forever seeking more. And in that same section in the course it says what is an idol do you think you know? An idol is for more of something. It does not matter what. It starts to come clear and clear that the human condition is a predicament. It's really an impossible state of mind in which there seems to be lack and a desire for more to fill that lack. It's like it never ends. It's like you just search and search and seek and seek and you never find. You know looking for love in all the wrong faces, looking for love in too many places, all the country songs had it right too. You know it's still seeking and not finding and if you follow the ego's belief system which sponsors lack, which sponsors a scarcity, then you will forever be seeking and not finding. Very frustrating.  After a while it gets really frustrating because the bricks are not giving in to the skull. It's just not going to happen and you can continue if you would like but it's very very very frustrating. So when we forgive which is the purpose that we've been given by the Holy Spirit, we have to live intuitively and follow our inner guidance and learn to live a new way instead of seeking after things, seeking after objects, seeking to possess, seeking to own, seeking to capture. We have to realize that that mode is ego seeking and we can't know ourselves as wholeness or purity or love while we're still in the seeking mode. It's just another trick to believe that you can be a fulfilled seeker. And even when I hear the term spiritual seeker sometimes I think why not be a spiritual finder? I think spiritual finder sounds much more wonderful to me, a realization than seeking. So using that term, spiritual seekers, it's just like another category of oh there's all these human beings and there's just a slice of the human beings that are spiritual seekers when we were talking, Jennifer was talking, I think it was yesterday just saying well everybody, breakfast everybody is seeking but everyone just seems to be at different levels of awareness of the seeking. Everybody is truly wanting to have an experience of love but some aren't conscious of it as an identity that they've displaced. Something is actually to be found in dating columns or online dating or in thrill seeking or adventure seeking and there's many ways to seek in this world and we're really learning that the premise underneath has to be questioned before we can relax and accept and have a true sense of fulfillment. So I would say that the course of miracles is done for me is it's saying while you believe you're here in this world you will search, you're on a search mission because you don't know who you are and you're in search mode and so it's just saying why not turn your searching inside your mind instead of looking out among all the images of the world. If you're searching for peace, happiness, joy, it's still search mode and if you still want, which we have to start where we believe we are so if you say okay I'm not quite ready for that first line of the Psalm 23, I shall not want I'm not quite ready, that's a spiritual bypass Jesus, I'm not really ready for that then he says that's okay but while you believe you want he gives us another set of ideas he says the peace of God is my one goal, the aim of all my living here, the end I seek my purpose and my function and my life while I abide where I am not at home you see how he's taking the want word, the peace of God and he's turning it into my one goal, it's what I want and that is something that even that is very unnatural because none of us are used to peace of mind goals you know, eat your carrots and your peas and you'll get some peace of mind you know it's like then you can go out and play or then you can have dessert but we were never held off a reward if we get it good grades in school there was peace of mind, the parents were never had the audacity to even dangle that carrot for us because why? because they didn't have it and they weren't going to ask their children to go for something that maybe they had not found themselves because that would be hypocrisy but now we're actually to the point where we can start to say we can take peace, peace of mind and make it a priority in our life the reason I'm going to Hawaii is okay, it's for peace of mind or the reason I'm going to read this book the reason I'm going to practice Tai Chi or that I'm going to whatever join the bowling team or go golfing or whatever it doesn't really matter what things you enjoy, what things you believe in but if you start to put that purpose of peace when you go to the gym, when you go to restaurants, when you go to Chautauqua's it's even possible to go to a Chautauqua and try to get some knowledge and you can go back and stuff a few more notches on the belt yeah I heard a few good lines there I'm going to remember those from my book or something even if you're going to a Chautauqua to try to get something come away with something that you think you didn't have in the first place it's really not the purpose you want to come with that desire for peace like I just want to experience peace of mind at the Chautauqua like I would in the grocery store or the market or down by the beach or anything we want to start to transfer that goal and really accept it as a possible present moment experience that we actually can experience a present goal present moment goal instead of forever trying to look out for something in the future believing that we'll be happy when we attain something and I hear a lot of people do that with enlightenment and spiritual salvation is they put it in the future and that gets really frustrating too trying to attain something where it's always off in this hypothetical future when none of us really know if there will be one or if there ever was one seems like a risk to the ego what am I committing to? it's a mail order


Hi, everyone. Joe for JaspiesCaseBreaks.com coming at you with 2022 Panini National Treasures Football. Pick your team and number nine. Number nine. Number nine. Number nine. All right, big thanks to the people who bought their spots straight up. Appreciate you. Ed, you ended up with last spot, Mojo, with the Cowboys. Thanks to everyone who got their team straight up. Appreciate you. We also pulled the remainder of the teams and turned them into a serial number break, what we call a random number block randomizer. So you get a block of numbers for those teams and pick your team nine. So I'm going to get a whole block of numbers across all these teams. So it's just a different level of risk. We've kind of mixed it up a little bit there. All right. Here is the case of NT football. It's the last one we have in the store. I don't think I saw any more. We may get some more, but I can't assure you that they'll be at the same price. Love this stuff. Good luck, everybody. Thank you for getting in. Appreciate you. We'll also use this Jaspies branded blank card right here to put right on top there and slow play the hits. And you can see on the top camera, the whole stack of cards up there. All right, first out of the gate, 50 out of 50. It's Jalen Hertz, modern master's card. That will be for the Eagles. That's the Eagles number block. So that goes to, if you're not familiar with it, that goes by that digit right there. That'll go to zero. That's going to be for John Jackson of the number zero, Philadelphia zero. All right, next up is Davis Mills, 17 out of 49. That's going to be for the Texans. That's going to go to Steve Locke in Houston. Grab two cards here. It's a Darren Waller Raiders edition, 79 out of 99. That's Ryan Gamsby and my Raiders. Really like Darren Waller, but he's a man. Injury issues, but I hope he does well. 58 out of 99, just kidding, Dobbins. Sunday Treasures dual relic. JK Dobbins is a number block team. So that's going to go to Baltimore Eight, Matthew Sharap. Here comes McBride, two-color dual relic for the Cardinals. That's a number block team. And that is 42, kind of hard to see the number, but it's 42 out of 49. Arizona Two will be for John Jackson. Travis Kelsey, eight out of 49. Nice patch there. Chiefs are also a number block team. So that goes to Kansas City Eight. It'll be for Matthew. We've got 22 out of 25, Malcolm Rodriguez. Emrod, that's how he signs it. Detroit, random number block. Detroit two. John, 18 out of 25, Antonio Freeman. Hans got the Packers straight up. And we've got a Zameer White. RPA, 53 out of 99.  Lakers? Raiders. Ryan Gamze with my Raiders. And back here is, oh, Nike Swoosh Brock Party. It's a Brock Party, ladies and gentlemen. Who has the Niners? Are the Niners a number block team? No, the Niners are picked up straight up by Shawn Matic. Shawn. All aboard the Big Hit Express. Welcome, Shawn. It's a good time to get this. Looks like he's healthy. Nothing wrong with that elbow. Surgery went fine. It's QB1. Sam Darnold's his backup. Season around the corner. That is nice. All right, next box.  Now everyone else needs hits, too, Shawn. Let's keep going. Looks like we've got a printing plate. You can see the rounded corners. You see the shadow right there, the printing plate, a book on the bottom. All right, we've got Jim Otto. All right, he's 51 out of 99 for the Raiders. Ryan with my Raiders. Old school Raider. If your name's all, you've got to rock the double zero, right? I feel like you have to. Oh, another Raider. Derrick Carr, 16 out of 36. 36? 35. I think he's going to do well in the Saints Union. It looks weird in the Saints Union form, but I think he's going to do well down there. 22 out of 49, Kirk Cousins. You like that. That's going to be for In Koo. In Koo in Minnesota. Excuse me, I still need to watch that quarterbacks show on Netflix, on the flicks. 14 out of 25, the opera singer, Justin Tucker, going to the Raiders. Purplebirds, number four, Ferran. Who's the jury's out on who? We got in return of the Mac, 45 out of 99, Mac Jones. Riots, that's going to go to high Derrick. Oh, on Derrick Carr? He's going to be on a better team than he was before. There's Randall Cobb, one of one. Two-color jersey, plate. Randall Horn on the cob. I think Hans got the packer straight up. He did. All aboard, the bigot Express. Three out of 35, Christian Harris. That's going to go to Steve and the Tejans. We got some Cowboys, 25 out of 25, Charles Haley, a little last-paw in mojo. Action for Ed. 70% of the time. Last-paw in mojo hits 100% of the time. We got another Xamir White RPA, Silver and Black Patch on card autograph, 12 out of 35. Ryan Gamsey with my raiders. Xamir White's time to shine. The book is Mollique Willis. Nice, 85 out of 99 rookie first edition signatures. Nice patch, nice auto. What's his future going to be here? That goes to Tennessee Five. Tennessee Five, Kenneth with Tennessee Five. All right, two boxes to go. Yeah, Eric said we want to see him as a starter. That's what Eric Houston's saying.  And then, what, it's Will Leviss and Mollique Willis to just battle it out and see who number one's going to be. Lights, Camara, action, 52 out of 99. Matthew with the Saints. More Saints, Drew Brees, one out of 10. I think Drew Brees is in the booth now, right? Is he doing some broadcasting work? I feel like he was on, I was listening to him on a pre-season game. Remember that famous picture after the Super Bowl where he's holding his little baby headphones on or anything? Yeah, that baby is now in high school. So think about that, how weird is that? Framed fabric, 44 out of 49. Adrienne Amos for Hans and the Packers. Devonta Smith, 41 out of 49, nice patch there. That's going to go to the Fly Eagles Fly. That'll be for Eagles, Philadelphia, one. That'll be for Michael. I mean, if you're comparing Drew Brees to Derek Carr, that's folly. And if you're comparing Derek Carr to James Winston or whatever quarterback you guys had last year, Saints had last year, that's a different story. 51 out of 99, Michael Pittman Jr. Colts. Colts one, Michael P with Michael Pittman. 29 out of 35, Brees Hall. Jets, Jets are a number block team. Jets nine, that's for Matthew, Matthew S. Jerome Ford, five out of 49. Cleveland, this is for you. Cleveland five, Kenneth with Cleveland five. There you go, MH, what's going on? And we've got Randall Cunningham, eight out of 10. They should bring that old eagle Kelly Green back. What do you think, Eagles fans? As their main uniform. Philadelphia eight is going to be four for Matthew S. We've got a cowboy, one out of 49. Jalen Tolver, another one for last spot. Mojo for Ed. Kind of see the purple foil there against that cowboy's navy blue. All right, the final one here is an RPA, dual relic, NFL gear dual relic and autograph George Pickens. Meet George Pickens. That's going to be for Sean Maddock, picked up the Steelers straight up. Final box. Good luck. Fingers crossed everybody. Thanks for getting in, appreciate you. All right, 96 out of 99, Austin Eckler. Chargers are a number block team. So that goes to Chargers six, it'll be for John. There's Ozzie Newsom, 44 out of 49. Cleveland four, Ron with the number four. Got Cooper Cup, 99 out of 99, Aaron with the Rams. Five out of 10, Carl Mecklenburg, heirlooms. It's for Denver. That's going to go to Hans and the Denver Broncos. There's some Mac Jones, 62 out of 99. Return of the Mac. Hyderra with that one. Here is Nick Chubb, 45 out of 49, treasured patches. Cleveland five is going to be for Kenneth. Cleveland, this is for you. Next up, we're getting near the end, notable nicknames, John Riggins, Diesel. 12 out of 49, Diesel. Commanders are a number block team. So Commanders two will be for John. There's still the Redskins in his day. All right, we got two more and then a book. We got Devin McCorney, 29 out of 99 for the Patriots. Hyderra with that one. Next one is a Cooper Cup autograph for Aaron, nine out of 10. All right, nice. And the book. Good luck, everybody. There's going to be another one of those, the Millique Willis ones. Yeah, it's Ahmad. You know who that is. Saus, Gardner, one out of two. Jets are a random number block team. That goes to Jets one. That's for you, Michael P. Another Nike swoosh auto. Your defensive rookie of the year. Michael, all aboard the Big Hit Express. Woo-hoo. Man, what a break. Ladies and gentlemen, thanks everybody for getting this going, for filling this break up. We had that, we had the Brock Purdy earlier, among other nice hits in this one. Appreciate everybody getting into this NT. Keep your eye for more on Jaspy's casebreaks.com and I'll see you next time for the next break. Bye-bye.


What's up everybody, Jason here for jasmizcasebreaks.com. This is our last and only filler we needed, or actually not our only filler, but last filler actually, we needed it to help sell out pick skin football mixer. We're gonna weigh nine of those pick skin football mixture spots with this 2022 Mosaic hobby, one pack break, random teams number one. And actually, you know what? I think this is the only filler actually.  So only one filler. So again guys, first we're gonna do the break, randomize customer names, teams should have the hits out. Then at the end, we'll take the customer names, re-randomize them, then need ice roller, and the top nine get into the pick skin football mixer. So let's roll four into two, six times, good luck. Break first, one, two, three, four, five, six. Hans down to Vikram, six times, one, two, three, four, five, six. 49ers down to the Green Bay Packers, six times, six times. Again, stick to what you got guys, this is just a quick little hobby pack break. But again, you know, party was a big chase in here, is one of the few products he's actually in. Of course, everybody other 2022 draft class quarterback and player, but like I said, you know, still quick little pack break though. Let go. So let's do that. Estilo, sweet. Let's quickly do the hobby pack though. So you never know what you can get out of this. I'm gonna do some color here. Malcolm Rodrigo, got Pierce Rong Jr., Devante Adams, a little Malik Willis introductions. So as we work through that box, there will be autos and there will be color cards, potential short prints, so. All right guys, nine in the pick skin, here we go. Top nine get in after three and a two, five times. Here we go. One, two, three, four, five. Five times, five, top nine. David Lemons, Lemons, Beard, Herrick, Beard, Rezzer, Herrick, Hans, and David Harrison, congratulations. Top nine are in. So a couple of dupes, but different names there. So there you go, top nine are in. Lemons won. All right sweet, break coming up next is I think it is sold out. Thanks guys.


Not on this network. I don't know anybody who got anything wrong. We didn't say that there was conspiracy Why are you always lying and it's desperate bid to obfuscate its role and perpetuating the Russian collusion hoax CNN continues spinning this alternate reality where they are the epitome of journalism and play no part in what amounted to an Attempted coup by the Democrat Party and the media Anybody who watches this channel or watches CNN knows that they're a habitual purveyor of misinformation So imagine my complete and utter surprise when just the facts tapper claims that CNN never got anything wrong on the Russian Collusion story if you remember they made the same kind of alternate reality claims when the Covington story blew up in their Faces suddenly they were skeptical the whole time and never got anything wrong in the Covington story They do this because they know that most of their viewers are just as invested in this story as they are and that they will Continue to believe in this conspiracy theory no matter what information comes to light He wants it released, but I'm not sure what you're saying the media got wrong But the media reported what would the investigation was going on the eye other than the people in the media on the left Not on this network. I don't know anybody who got anything wrong How is CNN not left? CNN champions every left-wing cause that there is even the Republicans that CNN brings on are only used to bash other Republicans here tapper is like a little kid who covers his eyes and thinks he's invisible The denial on display is shocking besides the fact that CNN and the rest of the media have been on a steady Russian collusion drum Beat since Trump took office CNN and tapper himself have been called out multiple times for getting it wrong One example involved the Comey testimony Remember when Trump claimed that Comey had informed on three separate occasions that he was never under investigation Tapper and three other CNN journalists claimed in multiple reports that Comey's testimony would refute Trump's claims CNN's Jim Shudeau breathlessly reported quote it will have import it will have impact because as credible as we are Hearing it from our mouths verse hearing it from his mouth for the American population is going to be significant wrong Washington Post media critic Eric Wemple who's no right winger slam tapper and his gang of DNC operatives saying quote It's not fake news. It's just wrong news. This flies in the face of Jake tappers claims that they got nothing wrong I don't know anybody who got anything wrong remember Jake tapper said it was just those left-wingers getting it wrong CNN even had to issue multiple corrections to their stories after it turned out that their trusted reporting was completely wrong and Comey's testimony actually did back up Trump, but wait. There's more. I don't know anybody who got anything wrong Remember when CNN freaked out and reported that Trump Jr. Was receiving emails offering decryption keys for WikiLeaks documents CNN reported that Trump Jr had received these emails on September 4th And then the very next day tweeted out about WikiLeaks releases showing that Clinton had emailed classified materials on her private email account The problem is that CNN was wrong and their reporting was bad and that the emails were actually dated September 14th This was long after the WikiLeaks documents had already been released Or how about when CNN falsely reported that Anthony scaremucci had secret meetings with Russian investors That whopper led to three CNN employees being fired tapper said they didn't report anything wrong Why would CNN fire three employees if they didn't report anything wrong? Most of the people that get this information don't find out later that the story wasn't accurate That's why we call them the drive-by media. They spew their misinformation and then they speed off their damage having been done Trump cuts USA to three Mexican countries The reference, of course, was to Central American countries Isn't CNN currently being sued because of their rush to judge and destroy a bunch of kids that were wearing MAGA hats and under assault from two groups of adult racists? You really don't have the moral high ground to bash Fox News over a Chiron mistake Even if that Chiron mistake was pretty stupid It seems pretty obvious that right now CNN is trying to deflect their recent failures onto their competition and judging by the ratings It's not working very well if you look on this list There's not a single CNN show appearing on the rankings and I think that this is driving their schizophrenic desperation Hey before you go I wanted to suggest that you head on over to SJG perspectives channel and check out his latest illegal immigration parody video Ice Ice baby. 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Okay, we're back. We're live. It's 2pm on a given Monday and we're talking about the Appleseed Foundation. We have Gavin Thornton from the Appleseed Foundation joining us. Thanks for coming around, Gavin. Hey, thanks for having me. Good to be here, virtually. Yes, I was only kidding about the coming around. Virtually. Everything is virtual now. Yeah. So, Appleseed, very important and interesting organization. Can you tell us a little about it? Sure. You know, the basic mission of Hawaii Appleseed is to do research and advocate for policies and systems change that help create a Hawaii where everyone can thrive. A focus on low income and marginalized people. But really, we want a community where everybody has the opportunity to succeed. How well you've been doing? What was that? How well have you been doing? Because, you know, Hawaii has a large portion of the Hawaii community is disadvantaged and they don't have money and they're homeless. And I mean, it's not a picture of, you know, it's not a beautiful picture. And you, in a way, you are, you have the toughest job of all to try to help them. That's right. We have yet to win that fight. And I think, in fact, with the pandemic, you know, we've seen things get a whole lot worse for a whole lot of people. The people that were on the margins have now, you know, fallen into dire straits. So I think our work is applicable to a lot more folks than it was even just two months ago, which is really frightening, frankly. It is. It is frightening. I mean, what's happening is frightening. The average person, you know, it's an interesting thing I've been observing in my own group of friends. So you stay home and you work at home and you watch the television and documentaries, national documentaries and all kinds of entertainment at home. But you, and you read the paper to the extent you can, but the paper has reduced its staff and range. And it was not clear that you really understand what's happening a mile, two, three miles away with people who are out of work or who never had good work to begin with, people who are hungry and never really full anyway. And I mean, I think we have to be very aware that you are kind of, you know, you're kind of a buffer between the people who are only semi-informed and what's really out there. So it's very important that we talk to you, find out what, you know, what is the community really doing these days. And I'm concerned with you. Yeah. Yeah, I couldn't agree more, which is why I really appreciate this opportunity to talk to you. I mean, I think, I think a lot of people feel really overloaded with information these days. But it's a certain type of information. And often it doesn't really give you a good sense of what is happening to individuals in our community, to the people that are on the ground, either working on the front lines as social service providers, or the people in need of assistance.  That coverage is very important. Why PEO, wasn't it why PEO was in the newspaper? At first I thought, oh, that's limited to San Antonio. Why is that happening here? It's happening here too. I mean, going into the pandemic, you know, there was a lot of attention, actually, to nearly half of the population teetering on the edge of financial calamity, not earning enough to meet their basic needs.  Am I right? Appleseed is a legal type organization. Who are your staff? And what's in their kit bag? What tools do they have to achieve these goals? Yeah, we actually have very few lawyers now and have expanded our toolkit substantially from the time that we began. So Hawaii Appleseed was formed initially under the name Lawyers for Equal Justice in 2004. And we were set up as an offshoot of Legal Aid Society of Hawaii to do class action litigation on behalf of low income residents in Hawaii. So that means hundreds or thousands of people are experiencing the same issue. For example, public housing residents getting over charged for their rents. Lawyers for Equal Justice would bring a case to stop that ill law unlawful practice and to ensure that people only pay what they're supposed to be paying so they have an opportunity to climb out of poverty. So that was the beginning of the organization, but 15, 16 years later, now we're separated into three different components or projects. So we still have Lawyers for Equal Justice headed up by an attorney named Tom Halper, who came to us out of the U.S. Attorney's Office. He was the Chief of the Civil Division, really well qualified, doing great work. Yeah, I want to get him on the show. Yeah, definitely, definitely. And I can tell you more about the work that he's doing right now in response to the pandemic. We also have a Hawaii Budget and Policy Center headed up by a woman named Beth Giesting that's really focused on doing the data-driven research around state budget and tax issues. She was involved in the health initiative a couple of years ago, right? Right, Beth has a background in health that is where her main area of expertise is, but she's really digging into just state budgets issues in general, looking at the data behind them. The state budget especially is very complex and hard to understand, just trying to provide clarity around that to make sure that our budget really represents what our community values are. We're spending our money on what we really value. I'm so happy to hear you say that. Yeah, great. And then the most recent addition to the organization was we took on what used to be a separate nonprofit called Focused with a PH, stands for Protecting Hawaii's Ohana Children Underserved, Elderly and Disabled. It's a mouthful. But basically that is more of a grassroots initiative, trying to organize social service provider organizations and connect with the populations that they're serving, really hearing the voices of the community that are impacted by the issues that we are focused on. So we have both a top-down like think tankish aspects to our program, and then now this new grassroots, making sure that the policies that we're advocating for are informed by the community that is impacted by them. And you have the staff of, what, 6,000? Yeah. Right now we're the biggest we've ever been at 11 people, which seems huge compared to just a few years ago when, you know, it was four of us working out of what felt like a closet. You got a lot of work to do, Kevin. Yeah. In our current office, we still have problems social distancing with 11 people, so most of us are working from home now, but... Well, so what I caught out of that is litigation is always a possibility, including class action suits. Advocacy, pardon me, is a possibility. I guess you can include in that lobbying in the legislature. That's right. That's the last piece. Under the Apple seeds moniker, we are at the legislature advocating for things like earned income tax credit to increase tax fairness, minimum wage, issues like that. So, you know, one thing that occurs to me is that sometimes people have a perfectly good initiative to advocate for, but there's no bill. And some of these bills, they're hard to draft. And I wonder if you ever get involved in drafting bills, because, you know, that's the way to actually get it done and not have it lie in somebody's desk for a long time. It's to say, here's the bill. Try this. If you do that. So, we do. We assist in drafting bills. We do a lot of work on ensuring that the bills that are introduced make sense, that there aren't any unintended consequences.  So many die either sad or happy death, depending on where you sit. And so, a lot of our work is focused on preparing prior to the legislative session, helping just understand the concepts, the data behind the concepts, the way that those concepts might impact the community. And then drafting the bill, getting it introduced. And then there's so much work to be done during session itself to try and shepherd that bill through to the end. Session. Session is an interesting word in our time, session. We don't have a session, Gavin. So, all the best bills laid by mice and men that are not going anywhere right now, we're in this kind of perpetual recess right now. So, what do you think about that? What are you doing about that? What can you do about that? Yeah, so there is more work to be done than can possibly be done by us or others in the community. So, you know, there's a huge amount of federal funding that's coming to the state that's supposed to be used to respond to the pandemic. And we've been working very hard to try and gather input from community stakeholders, try to understand what's coming in, what can be used for, what it can be used for, to really ensure that, you know, we are maximizing the use of those resources that we're getting as much as we can, and that we're putting it to as good of use as possible. So, that's one thing that's really been occupied in a lot of our time. The other thing is legislative session is going to come back. And in fact, just over the weekend I heard that next Monday they will be opening up. Oh, really? Oh, that's hot news. Not 100% confirmed, but that is the rumor. That's my expectation. Still don't have a lot of clarity on exactly what's going to be considered then. So, right now we have folks in the office or out of the office scrambling to try and figure out, you know, what's going to be under consideration and what should we be focused on this coming week to prepare. It's an opportunity actually if they go back into a session. But I want to circle back a little on the federal benefits that should be coming to Hawaii under the CARES Act and under all the other benefits, I mean 2.3 trillion plus another 6 or 700 billion. What did Everett Dirksen say? After a while it adds up to real money. But you know, when you put that kind of money down, especially under this White House, you know there are going to be issues and problems about, you know, misdirection of funds or legislation that happened too fast and doesn't go to the people who it truly should be intended to go to. And I wonder your thoughts about that. I mean, the first question is would you have done it differently? I make you Congress. You're now Congress. Would you have done it differently? And the second thing is can this be fixed? Or is it just or we just have to all get along with the idea that a lot of it is going to fall off the side? Yeah, I think generally speaking, there's a sense that what has been done so far is generally good. But there are definitely questions about the distribution of those resources going to corporations versus people. You know, there are definitely concerns there. And honestly, things have happened so quickly. And it's just such a large volume of money and information. I don't think even the experts have really been able to sift through everything. And the consequences are going to play out over time. And we're going to see more and more as time goes on what the real issues are. Yeah. Generally speaking, the speed of the reaction is unprecedented. The volume of resources that are put in have been put in unprecedented. Those are good things from nearly everyone's perspective. There are definitely concerns about, you know, who the resources are going to. And there are fights shaping up at the federal level about what needs to be done next with the folks that we talked to a lot in D.C. and our national partners saying that so much more needs to be done to help individual people that are really struggling as a result of the pandemic. I want to ask you two questions that are come in by email. The first is what is Apple seed? Where does Apple seed funding come from? How are you supported? Seventy percent of our funding is from foundations, primarily local foundations, white community foundations, a big supporter. Our budget center was supported. Its creation was supported by a hui of nine local foundations. So primarily foundation supports about 10% from private donors, 10% from an annual fundraiser that we do, and then 10% just from the sky, from heaven every once in a while thing to come in. So this is a follow up to that. My own question is if I'm an ordinary person, a middle class person, and I can get along for a few months without necessarily working, and I have a few bucks that I might want to contribute to Apple seed, why should I care about Apple seed as opposed to so many other nonprofit organizations in the state of Hawaii? There are hundreds of them. Why Apple seed by now? Yeah. And let me say right now, there are so many organizations that are working on the front lines that are under resource and need people's help, need people's donations and support. We definitely need support from individuals to do our work. And the reason why we think the work that we do is so important. Why the support that people provide us is so important because we try to be the connective tissue that helps bring a lot of groups together to solve complex problems. So for example, one of the issues that we've been working on as part of our pandemic response has been on the hunger and food access issues. We're part of a hunger action network, Kauai Hunger Action Network that we helped build up. And we also have a bunch of other partners in the food systems community that we've been working with trying to pull folks together to ensure that students who were in school that relied heavily on school meals to meet their nutritional needs. And then when school then go back into session, we're left without access to those meals. DOE now has I believe over 70 schools that they're serving meals at, but it took a while to ramp up. Still have a ways to go there. So we helped coordinate group of organizations to ensure that there were feeding sites where kids can get their meals. And then so trying to be that connective tissue between organizations that are on the ground. And then also just the trying to promote smart policy and systems change. You know, private philanthropy dollars can only go so far. Government dollars have much more potential to impact the lives of our people and ensuring that those dollars are focused on helping Hawaii's residents that need it most. You know, that's that's the work that we do. Yeah, it's a leverage thing. You can bank through your buck. Yeah, exactly. Okay, by the way, just just a footnote to that, you know, a couple of years ago, we did a series of shows on the Loa United Way beneficiary charities. And we found that there are 200 or 300 of them. And we found interestingly enough over time that a lot of them were addressing homelessness, as it should be, that's got to be a major initiative in our state. But what we also found is they were kind of in silos. And what they needed was coordination. Somebody what did you use the term the glue the connective tissue connective tissue. And I think what you're doing there sounds like it meets the, you know, the problem that we saw in having various nonprofits all dealing with the same issue and not talking to each other. So the connective tissue, really important. Anyway, let me let me go to the second question that came in. Okay, what specific projects are you working on now as would address, for example, homelessness, the status of those projects, beginning, middle, end, medium and long term, and the goals of those, that's a multiple compound question. But see if you can handle it, Kevin. How long do we have? Only six hours. Yeah. Oh, my goodness. So we do work in so many different areas. And I would say the top three are hunger, food access, housing and homelessness. And then what we call economic security, which is primarily tax and wage issues. Let me just talk about some of the pandemic response efforts that we're working on now, because I think those are maybe the most relevant to our times. So through focused, which I described earlier as that network of social organizations, one thing that we're very concerned about, we saw in the Great Recession that there was a problem getting the resources that came from the federal government into the hands of the nonprofit social service providers who could then get the resources into the hands of the people that needed them most. And so we've been working to bring together a group of social service providers to identify the issues that they've experienced and make sure that just things operate much more smoothly than last go around. So we brought folks together, identified a number of key issues, things like payments not being timely processed for social service providers, so people waiting months to receive the resources that they needed to do their work. Issues about contracts that made sense two months ago, but don't make any sense now because of social distancing requirements, because they're just different needs than there were two months ago. Issues like that, raising them on mass as a group of organizations. So we had just this morning, I was working on compiling survey results from 40 plus social service provider organizations and just piecing it all together in a way that made sense. So we could say to Department of Human Services, to Department of Health, these are really the five things that we need to do now to ensure that people are able to get the resources that they need. So that's one. I talked a little bit about the hunger work and trying to open up food sites for people that were experiencing food insecurity now because of job loss or because they were experiencing food insecurity prior to the pandemic. And we do have that. We have that right now in Hawaii, people can't get food. They get on food bank lines and spend all day and they're unsatisfied and that leads to bad places. Right. It leads to terrible places. I mean, these are people's most basic needs. And so the immediate work that we did was just trying to ensure that the food was there for them to get the work that we're doing now is more midterm focused, trying to get all those folks who are suddenly without income to purchase food and can't rely on the food pantry all the time because the food pantry doesn't have enough resources to go around. Getting those people informed about their ability to get on the SNAP program, supplemental nutrition assistance program. Most people know it as food stamps. Getting people onto that program. Education. That's another thing in your kit bag. Right. That's right. And so working with those boots on the ground that's getting the food out there and just including the information about signing up for SNAP so that people can't just get food now from the food pantries, but will be able to get it a week from now, a month from now, as long as we're facing this crisis. You know, the problem, we have a few minutes left. I want to throw this problem at you. The problem is that at the end of the day, I mean, we're not even talking about therapeutics or vaccines or anything. We're talking about living right now. We're talking about staving off disaster for a lot of people. That costs money. The state has virtually, well, it has very little tax returns coming in, tax income coming in. The state, as a balanced budget, constitutional requirements, hard for them to print money. The federal government is not giving the states any money for Donald Trump's own special reasons. We won't go into that now. But the state may not be a great source to solve these problems. Individual philanthropists may help. Foundations, nonprofit foundations may help. But at the end of the day, it's money. And I'll just give you the example that comes to my mind. So in yesterday's news or the day before, there are rent strikes going on. In St. New York, where thousands of tenants of rental properties have decided they're not going to pay the rent. They can't afford it. Or maybe some of them can, but they're not saying, they're just not paying. And the landlords may be ordinary people who have an investment in a condo, who knows what. They may not be able to afford the fixed expenses while the tenant stays there. So you have a real economic discombobulation here. And if you ask these small-time landlords to absorb that expense, they may be out of business right there. You have a chain of disaster is what happens. And ultimately it's banks, I suppose. But how do you balance that? Who bears the brunt of taking care of the disadvantage? If the state has no money, the Fed is cooperating, but only to a limited degree, in my opinion anyway. Philanthropists can only go so far. And if you tell them not to pay the rent, then you have a possibility of a general collapse on your hands of the money system, the banking system. So who bears the cost? And how do you, I mean, Hawaii, Apple Street, how do you crank that whole dilemma into your policy? Yeah. Yeah. I mean, great question. And this is the stuff that we've been thinking about, every day. The rent situation that you described, it is an ecosystem. And you can't just tell tenants like stop paying your rent and then you're done. That does not solve the problem, because you're absolutely right. Landlords need to be able to pay their mortgage. And if they're not able to pay their mortgage and they get foreclosed on, that's not helpful. And, you know, I do not have a three-sentence answer for that problem. I never promised you a rose garden, Gavin. But here's what we hear the main themes that we are trying to put out there, the main values. Number one, we are all in this together. And our solutions need to be solutions that where we're, it's not just small subsets of the population that's bearing the brunt. Like we need to spread it out evenly and equitably. So that's number one. Related to that is there's no genius, no white knight that's gonna save us from this problem. Like it is a community problem. And there's very much a pull, I think, towards this idea that we can get smart legislators, smart leaders to pull us out of this. I think there are some folks, some leaders right now that feel that responsibility. And the more that we can get away from that and focus on how do we engage the entire community to solve this problem together, the smartest person in the world is not gonna know what is happening in Kalihi if they're not in Kalihi experiencing what's happening to them. They're not gonna know what's happening in Hawaii if they're not in Hawaii knowing what's like experiencing that. We need to engage everybody in the solving of these problems. Yeah. And the question that flows out of that, which we can never answer, is what can, what are you telling me I should do? And the answer is in Thomas Jefferson's words. He said, find a way to make yourself useful. That's what he said. And there are things that can be done that will help us with that if our government is communicating well with folks, is telling them, you know, here's the timeline of what's happening and the decisions that we're making, which there's room for improvement there right now. That's what we're really hoping to see in the very near future. I know everybody's scrambling right now to get their heads around this, but the more communication with government folks that are ultimately making the decisions, the easier it is for people to follow Thomas Jefferson's advice and find those ways that they can contribute. Okay. Thank you, Gavin Thornton. Great to talk with you. I hope we can do it again. Want to stay in touch with Hawaii, Appleseed and follow your path. Thank you so much, Aloha. Thank you.