This next talk addresses a thorny question. In a world where the majority of people are suffering from imposter syndrome while confidence gets rewarded, how do we create an organization that helps people succeed? Bethan is a returned speaker who is joining us to share her experience from the last 18 months when she left her job and launched a new business. She'll also offer insights from research into what makes certain leaders and organizations more successful than others. The takeaways will give you a blueprint of making your organizations more supportive and inclusive and the people around you more resilient, comfortable and ultimately happier. What's better than that? Enjoy. It's not an understatement to say this that the last 18 months have been frankly extremely difficult for all of us. We've been isolated from our friends, our families, our communities. We've watched the human toll of the pandemic as well which has affected most people I know in a very kind of personal way. We also all had to change the way we work pretty much overnight. And there's no wonder then that this has caused us to really pause and reflect and think about why we're here, what we're doing and where we're going and how we want to work in the future. But it's not just the pandemic that's contributing to this. We will already undergoing one of the biggest industrial changes since the industrial revolution of the 18th and 19th centuries. We've seen the rise of the knowledge economy where it's more about kind of what you know and how you figure out a problem than cranking out widgets on a factory line. That's also coincided with the idea of output over factory hours and the all encompassing move towards digital over physical. So it's no wonder that we're all feeling exhausted, full of imposter syndrome and frankly, really unsure about our future and especially the future of our work. And if you're feeling this way, you are really not alone. So this is some stats I've pulled from the state of workplace report by Royal Training. This research for the report actually happened primarily with UK respondents in the last kind of six months. But I think we can probably take these stats and kind of generalize to what a lot of us are experiencing. So the two things that stood out for me, 96% of people have experienced imposter syndrome. So if you're feeling that way, you're really, really, really not alone. And the fact that 4% of people feel fully confident at work, that blows my mind because I have spent my career working with some frankly, fantastic, wonderful, inspirational, really good at their job people who should feel fully confident at work. But on the other hand, I'm reasonably good at my job, I would say. I always tried to do my best and I don't even know what feeling fully confident of work would feel like. I don't think I've ever experienced it. So something about our internal feelings don't match our external realities. And the pandemic really, I think is driving a lot of this as well. Because for me, the pandemic really was a bit of a kind of stop and think about it moment. So the picture on the side of the screen is actually my partner and his brother and our best friend. The first time we saw each other after four months of being locked down, that was a lockdown one if you were following the UK. And it was just such a poignant moment for me. And it made me really think about the fact that there is more to life than work. And actually in work and life, the relationships you have with other people and the collaborative work you do with other people is often the kind of best part. The pandemic also made me realise that nobody has complete knowledge. Nobody knew this was around the corner. Yes, there were people who did talk about the fact that a pandemic could happen, but nobody could predict it. And also as the pandemic rolled out, nobody could really predict what would happen next either. Governments were scrambling to get up-to-date information and to see into the future.  But this also brings me back to the point that uncertainty is really, really permanent and it's kind of a fact of life. We don't know what's around the corner on any given day. We've kind of just got a role with it. It's unfortunately part of the human condition. But really for me, thinking about the fact that this is permanent, I then realised that doing something is always better than doing nothing. Taking action is always better than waiting for life to almost happen to you. So before we kind of carry on, I probably should introduce myself. I'm Beth and Vincent. I'm a marketing consultant. I work with technology companies on their positioning, growth and marketing strategy. And 2021 was, as you probably guessed, a bit of a kind of watershed moment for me in the way I think about life, work, everything. And in the last kind of couple of months, I actually decided to quit my job as the marketing director of a really good tech company here in the UK to set up my own business. Something I've been wanting to do for years but never really had the courage to kind of pursue. And this was based on a pretty fundamental realisation that there is no special secret to success.  That there is, everyone is doing their best with the information they have at any given time. We're all winging it. We're all making it up. And that's absolutely okay. In fact, it's more than okay. It's actually the secret to doing really meaningful impactful work. And I think organisations and leaders could probably leverage this to their advantage, the power of vulnerability, the power of not knowing. And that's what this talk is really about. How I felt empowered through just submitting I don't know what I'm doing. So I'm going to talk about three kind of concepts here or three groups of my learnings into radical openness, inclusive collaboration and realistic resilience. But before we go on a really important point, I have no idea what I'm doing. I'm not just saying that to be kind of humble. No, no, really, I'm just winging it. And this talk is based on my experiences, my observations, the work I've done with and in companies. And it's my unique perspective on the world. And that is completely valid and acceptable. So we're going to start off with radical openness. I love this quote by Benet Brown. And if you haven't seen her TEDx talk on shame, it's really worth a listen. And I think shame plays a really important role actually in the way organizations operate and the way we operate at work because a lot of us don't want to admit that we don't know something or that we've made a mistake or that we failed something.  But there is a great power and vulnerability. And I actually realized this recently because I was working with a client who I'd worked with quite a long time and they bought a new project to me. Looked at the project, it wasn't something that was really in my wheelhouse in my skill sets and maybe could have done it, but I didn't feel that comfortable with it. And frankly, it wasn't something I was really going to enjoy. But they're really good client. We'd had a long-term relationship. And I was really scared of going back to them and saying, I actually can't do this because I was worried they think, huh, if she can't do that, she can't do everything else.  She must be awful at her job. And in the end, I did have to come clean. And I said, look, not for me, but I can recommend someone who'd be really great at this and compliment me really, really well. And I was waiting for the, you're crap, common. It never happened. It never happened. Do you know what they said? They said, oh, okay. Yeah, that's fair enough. And you know what, we're really grateful you were open and honest with us about this because we've worked with people in the past who have said they could do something but never really could deliver. So we really appreciate that. We'll bring that person in, off we go. And the relationship was so much stronger because of this. And I think we default to projecting this all knowing, this always right persona, especially when you're in a position of leadership, but it actually does people a great, great disservice, especially people who are earlier on in their careers because I remember being a marketing assistant. It was my first job. I was just new to this whole working for people thing. And I would be in meetings and all of the senior managers would be so, so confident. But because I didn't really know what I was doing, I was just figuring stuff out. I really felt like there was such a gap between me and them and I felt really, really othered by the experience. So we've got to have a little bit of a think about when we project this all knowing, this infallible kind of leadership, I guess, ideal, we're othering a lot of people because they don't feel like they live up to it. And frankly, nobody could. And it's not just about making people feel othered or not part of teams. We actually risk having adverse outcomes when we have a culture that prioritizes people projecting the sense that they're always right. And if we don't allow people to admit failure, there can be pretty bad consequences. And the story, if you've heard it of Volkswagen and the emission scandal is a good example of this. So if you haven't heard Volkswagen basically were fined and it was found out that their engines were breaching emissions regulations. So the emissions coming out of the engines was much higher than Volkswagen said it was. And there was a massive kind of investigation into this, why it was the case, it cost Volkswagen billions, I think about $8 billion in kind of recalling the vehicles and then the lawsuits that piled on top. So obviously they wanted to kind of understand how had we put engines on the market that failed the emissions tests? And when the internal investigation took place, it was actually found out that it was the culture of Volkswagen that had allowed this to happen because employees kind of further down the ladder were so afraid of making a mistake that when they found out that the engines weren't going to pass the tests, instead of going to senior management and saying, we probably should do something about this, we need another plan, they didn't do that because they were afraid and they installed defeat devices, so code that essentially overrope the results of the test and made it look like the engines passed the emissions tests. It was the culture of fear that stopped them doing that. And I'm not saying your company is going to be open to a Volkswagen style kind of lawsuit or engine recall situation, but this can be happening at a much lower scale. If people aren't kind of empowered, if they are too afraid to come forward when they've made a mistake or they've failed, those things will just get brushed under the rug and nothing will ever be addressed or improved. So if you want to create an open culture, I think firstly you've got to see failure really as part of the process, it's frankly going to happen. If you think it isn't happening in your organization, it is just nobody's telling you. I think part of this is allowing people to repeatedly respond with, I don't know. And I know a lot of us can do that once or twice in a meeting or in several years of an organization, but you've got to allow people to do it all the time. It's an acceptable answer. And part of making it acceptable is modeling this vulnerability at the top and also creating individual time for reflection so people can think about mistakes, what they would do right, what they would do next time, maybe what the solution is. And I think finally, we've also got to value constructive dissent so people disagreeing. Again, disagreement is part of the process. Disagreement generally makes a product, a service, a decision better because you have multiple viewpoints in the room. So we're going to come on to inclusive collaboration. I know all of us collaborate and all of us probably try and do that inclusively. And I think one-on-one, we all do really, really well, but part of the problem is the organizational design because some organizations, I'm not saying this as a caveat that everyone does it, but there is kind of a norm that a lot of us probably have experienced. When we have organizations that prioritize confidence, always knowing, always being right, knowing an answer on the spot, we actually do a disservice to certain groups of people. To illustrate the point, I think these stats kind of show something quite interesting. So 33% of men break their performance higher than equally performing women. Interesting. And we see this kind of bear out in the fact that women are less likely to apply to jobs where they were equally as qualified to, or maybe they don't meet all of the criteria to that men would apply for. And only 5% of leadership positions in tech companies here in the UK are currently held by women, which is such a shocking statistic. But having seen a lot of cultures that are really about macho confidence, I can see why women don't feel comfortable in that situation. And this is not something that's specific to women. I would never argue with that. I think it actually affects a lot of minorities because when you see the status quo as being a certain type of ideal that you don't feel like you can ever fit in with or live up to, of course, again, you're going to feel really othered and not part of the company and not able to perform your best and not able to progress. And I actually encountered this kind of recently, this feeling of really not feeling good enough and it held me back significantly. So, you know, you've seen me for about 10 minutes now. I'm a pretty confident person. I love talking. I'm a, I'm a talker. My mum would say that. And this is me on the stage at the Barbican Center in London, very famous stage, speaking to about 1600 people a couple of years ago. I can do that. That is something I can do really nervous beforehand, but the talk went pretty, pretty well. But the thing is, I'm the person that can do this, but I've never felt good enough to run my own business. And that was what was always holding me back, setting up on my own. And that was partly because I always double questioned my assumptions. I always felt kind of unsure about decisions I was making. And I always kind of dug into things really, really deeply to see all sides of the story in all angles of how something could basically go wrong. And when I met other business leaders or entrepreneurs, they never were like that. They always projected the fact that they were so confident and they were so sure.  How can I run a business? Because I'm really unsure and I make it up as I go along. But what I realized is my tendency to kind of do a lot of introspection, think of problems through very kind of logically from all angles is actually an asset. It's not a problem. And that all of the people I was speaking to feel just as unsure as I do. And that realization was pretty powerful, actually. So if you want to create a culture which is inclusively collaborative, you need to openly embrace the fact that there are different skill sets and there's different skill levels.  That's to be expected. We've also got to recognize that everyone's experiences are individual. The way certain people experience a certain type of confident culture, shall we say, may not be in the same positive way as other people who benefit from that culture. And this is where we've really got to start rewarding results, not confidence, not the person who dominates the meeting, not the person who shouts the loudest because that's sending a lot of signals to other people that that's what you need to do to get ahead and then very other ring to people who don't operate at that, who are more introverted, who maybe don't want to dominate the room, who are a lot more collaborative by their very nature. So moving on to realistic resilience and just again, a really quick point about this. So we've all had to be really, really resilient over the last 18 months. We've all got through a lot of stuff. And the point about realistic resilience is you don't have to be 100% resilient all the time. That is an unsustainable, unmanageable ideal. That's a standard you're holding yourself up to that you can never meet. So when I talk about resilience, I talk about it in the sense of just do your best in the situations you have. You don't always have to have everything together. So the problem is we often work in spaces where there are no purely right or wrong answers. We have to really experiment a lot with ambiguity to get our work done to achieve results. And this can be quite hard to reconcile with, especially when you look at places like social media, which really reward binary and very short opinions. So our experience of work is extremely messy, it's extremely squiggly, yet we're presented with this idea of there are right or wrong answers. And I've only been in business for like six weeks now, by taking a lot of comfort from the fact that all I need to do is do my best with the situation I'm in. Everyone else is doing that. And that's how everyone else is getting good enough results, good enough, really, really is good enough.  And the thing is your unique value isn't in having an immediate solution to the complicated tangle. Your value is actually solving and untangling and figuring out the solution. And often there are multiple valid solutions. It's very well read that there's one single path that you need to take to achieve successful results of whatever you're trying to do. It's about pushing through, it's about finding the different paths and selecting the one that's best for your circumstances. So if you want to have realistically resilient organizations, we've got to give people thinking time, thinking time to think through the problems, to think through the entanglement and the mess. And this again, a really big realization for me over the last couple of months, the busy, i.e. writing or doing something or creating something is not always me doing my best work. Sometimes it is just taking a step back and reflecting. So really don't correlate being busy, doing busy work, we're doing a good job. That's how you end up being burnt out, trust me, I've been there. I think we've also all got to stop reading this success story porn. It's frankly, again, an unrealistic standard that we're never gonna live up to those people on LinkedIn being like, I have this one hack that made my life amazing, that brought in a billion dollars of sales and you can do it too. The thing is, even if what they're saying is true, they won't have just come up with it overnight, it will have been a process to get there. And I think finally, we've all got to recognize that in our work, most problems have multiple valid solutions and picking one valid solution is good enough. It's all good enough. So hopefully this talk has made you think about the fact that everyone is frankly making it up and that it's absolutely a-okay. And frankly, it's the secret to do a good work. I actually asked my granddad, who's 96, when he kind of realized that he was an adult, that he was kind of good at things, that he was sure about his life and his response was, I've never had that moment, I'm still figuring out, I have no idea what I'm doing and I'm 96. So that was kind of scary in a way, but I also took quite a lot of comfort from it. I think we've got to understand that if we're a leader or we're an influencer in an organization, we need to be authentic and honest. We've got to model the behavior we want to see and if we project this unrealistic standard, other people are going to be held to it or feel like they're held to it. I think also uncertainty is a fact of life. I'd like to leave you with that. You never know what's around the corner. That's what makes life fun slash terrifying. And I don't know is a valid answer in any context. Feel empowered to say that. And if you're not quite there yet, this is something I always use. So I'm afraid I don't know, but I'm happy to go and find the answer because that is the value is the finding of the answer and not knowing it immediately. So fear an imposter syndrome, holding you back from applying to that job or that promotion, building that MVP, darting your new venture. I challenge you to imagine a world where you didn't have to be 100% correct or certain, where good enough is good enough. And the value of your work is figuring out that tricky thing, not having the immediate answer because that is the world you are living in now. So try it and see. I jumped in and it's working out so far and I'm just figuring it out as I go and I'm really enjoying doing that. So thank you so much to GitLab for having me. Really appreciate it. If you wanna connect me on LinkedIn, Twitter, platform with your choice, I'd be super open to that and to chatting about my experiences, honestly and vulnerably. Thank you so much. Thank you. Thank you.


Therese Pico will be Ms. Aya Shabbi is an award-winning Pan-African activist. She also sits on the board of directors of Civicus World Alliance for Citizen Participation. I now give the floor to Ms. Shabbi. Shabbi, you have the floor. So the story of Tunisia is the story of a group of people who are living under an umbrella believing that that umbrella is the sky. Until one day someone made a hole in the umbrella to show the people the real sky. So politicians, policymakers and decision makers gathered around tables discussing and planning and debating how to close that hole. And the whole of the umbrella is Tunisia's success story led by young people. But the elder political elite is trying to fill in the vacuum with traditional structured policies. Under the umbrella the young people or young Tunisians were living trying to use new ways or new forms of activism. But again the older generation moved Tunisia forward with some part of the political elite left behind an emerging political generation. And this is why young people more and more have become disengaged completely from political life. In 2011 I was 23 years old when we toppled or overthrew Ben Ali's regime. And we dreamt at the time of creating a youth assembly that will decide the democratic transition of the country. We proposed and pushed for a youth constitutional body that will serve as an advisory council for the assembly, the MPs. The first two to three years young people were engaged in politics and pushing hard and trying. But today after six years we ended up with 89 years old presidents and 41, 42 years old head of government even though he's the youngest among the previous four prime ministers. I will mention three main challenges facing Tunisian youth today and three main opportunities. And maybe that would relate to youth around the world. It's not only a Tunisian case. Since 2013 the national observatory on youth statistics show that only 6% of Tunisian youth are involved in public affairs. 2% in political parties and 4% in civil society. Why? Because young people do not trust state institutions. And the statistics show that particularly the police institution because of police violence, the government because of government disappointments and the national media and press because of its politicization. On the other hand the statistics show that 80% of Tunisian youth trust religious organizations, the local imam and the military. And this really explains why young people are engaged actually politically but through other means of civic events or protests but not or avoiding completely through institutional instruments like political parties and civil society organizations. This is the first challenge. The second challenge many of the different states, maybe some of the states are present here who have NGO offices in Tunis or who have youth or who have funding programs. For Tunisian NGOs focused on the last five years supporting organization and Tunisian youth on youth political participation and political leadership. But political leadership is a practice and if we do not have the legislation and their execution to be implemented if we do not have youth quotas representation then what's the training is for? And I've witnessed that from many of my friends who've been running for office, who've been in political parties who had these trainings but who were faced by mistrust and disillusionment basically from the political parties and completely disengaged. The third point is we talk a lot about young people being engaged in institutions. Why don't we talk about changing institutions or institutions changing themselves? One of the examples is the Ministry of Youth of Sports and Youth which I find problematic. Youth are always coined with sports or music. Why we do not have youth coined with the Ministry of Employment? Why we do not have youth coined with the Ministry of Development and Planning? Because that's the institution where we can influence the national planning and allocation of national budget. And besides all of that youth have to be mainstream in all the ministries and not having a Ministry of Youth and Sports. And that's not only in Tunisia, that's in many countries. I'll move to opportunities because I'm very optimistic. So the first opportunity I find is our constitutional rights. We have a milestone in Tunisia that we built which is our progressive constitution with the efforts of civil society, of political parties and of youth collectives, social media pressure, street pressure.  And these are great achievements but we need to move from legislation to executive framework. And for that we need key stakeholders. And I believe in this room many people are involved in discussion with Tunisian governments or other governments. And I think we need to stress on supporting the execution of these frameworks. The second opportunity I find is elections even though the statistics around the world show that electoral violence is very high when it's a young democracy or a democratic transition because the opponents do not accept the results. But in Tunisia we did not witness, we witnessed some of the violence, we witnessed political assassinations but compared to other countries, especially in Africa, what happened in Kenya, recently in Gabon and other countries, we still rate the lowest. And I think even though 2% only of Tunisian youth have voted in the last election in 2014, so the rest of the youth could have been manipulated as political thugs. But I think what prevented or one of the reasons that prevented that is that youth have been engaged as watchdogs, monitoring, counting, tabulation, reporting, journalists, they have been even raising awareness about voting even though they didn't vote. So I think, and I agree with Ahmed when he said the vote, democracy is not just the voting year or the voting day, but to also prevent some of the violence during the voting year we need to engage youth somehow so they are not left to politicians to be manipulated. The third opportunity is again mentioned before, I think by the delegation of Peru and raised in multiple occasions the quotas. And we have an opportunity in Tunisia with upcoming local municipal elections and we have a constitutional right that youth have to have representation in the local elections. But we still do not have quotas or parity as we had with gender. We have gender parity in our electoral lists. I think young people have even a more important role to play in decentralized governance in these local councils and local municipal elections. But with that I think political parties have to review their law by including youth in the central structures and not as just youth wings. I had a friend who was aspiring to be a politician who even aspires to be the first female president of Tunisia and she was climbing the ladder within the party and then one of the leaders of the party told her, you go, build your career for 50 years and then come back because we will never nominate you on behalf of the party. So this is the kind of rhetoric we're faced when we try to engage in politics. The final opportunity I find is civil society. With the apparent shrink of civil society I think it remains a vibrant, a crucial space for young people and throughout the last six years in Tunisia and elsewhere we've seen the creativity of youth in holding government accountable through mobile applications, through online monitoring platforms, through artistic expression, street art, through rap songs, endemic corruptions and so forth. And these formal and non-formal, especially non-formal groups, non-formal movements need to be supported by international community to continue to create. To conclude, I think we all agree that depriving youth from appropriate representation leads to reducing the quality of good governance. So candidacy, age, quotas and representation but also both generations need to start collaborating and trust each other's skills and competencies. In Tunisia today we live in a critical moment, as critical as 2011, the revolution year I think, which will define the next five to ten years and we need the international community support to reinforce legislation to ensure youth representation and to support local governance. And even though the whole in the umbrella is Tunisia's success story, it remains Tunisia's experience and should not be taken as a model in the region because we're far away, we have a long way to go to claim that we have achieved the goals of revolution. Thank you.


At seven o'clock I'll convene the public hearing for the land use and development regulations. These were amendments to the most recent update of the land use regulations. There are two amendments and they both involve what used to be known as the worm on Crosstown Road. First was to amend the rural district section 2109, rural 218 district paragraph D line two for the lot frontage to read, lot frontage 300 feet minimum from what was voted as 120 minimum. And the other amendment is to amend section 2110, upland conservation district paragraph D line two, lot frontage to read, lot frontage 400 feet minimum from the current 180 minimum. The Planning Commission has had a public hearing on this and they believe that it conforms with and furthers the goals and policies contained in the municipal plan, including the effect of the proposal on the availability of safe and affordable housing. Any comments? We're in favor of it. We're in favor of it. Okay. Absolutely. Any other comments from the board? This is going to be one short. I know I feel like I should make something up. Actually the area that, at least in our area of the mouth, 218 used to be classed as high on conservation and it was 300 feet. And everybody out there is 300 feet and it got changed to 120. It would have really changed the nature of the mangrove a lot. There are a couple of homes that, you know, the lots aren't 300 feet, but they pre-existent zoning. The land's either leadge or wet, just wouldn't support a higher density. Yeah. And this came up because at the select board public hearing, you remember, they were concerns brought, but with the way the timing was for the vote and everything, it was tight. So everybody in the neighborhood up there is satisfied with this?  Apparently there were people that were in favor of the change, but they didn't show up for the meeting, there's one right, but they didn't show up for the meeting. Yeah, there were. There were people that showed up that wanted to change back to how in conservation dimensions. So if the select board has no objection, this would go to the clerk for ballot polls. Yep. And probably coincide with one of the other upcoming meetings. Let's hope so, yeah. We knew that by this, there's a procedure that Rosemary has to do as far as so many days in advance and post the warning. And so, but I imagine it will be in the next 30 to 60 days. Thank you for being here to bring your views forward. So we can send this on to just a consensus or you can vote on it. Why don't you do a motion just so that we have one? I'll entertain a motion to take in further, to pass the proposed land changes to the land use and development regulations to the town clerk. I make a motion to propose the changes to the land use and development regulations and have it go forward to the clerk. Jeremy? Second. All those, any further discussion? All those in favor? Aye. Aye. Motion carries. Now we will start the regular select board meeting. To my left is Flo Smith. Jeremy Hansen is here on the phone and Dana Hadley and Diane Isabel are both here. Additions or changes to the agenda Dana? I do have some additions, Brad. I would like to add, I forgot to put on the award of the Lawn Services contract. I'd like to add on to that. I'd like to add on some news about the hazard mitigation update that I'd like to talk to you about. And I would like to add a right of way permit application that we received today. I thought it was something else. No, okay, that's all, yeah. Okay. Public comment, hearing none. Treasurer's report, Diane. Okay, I've sent out 24 letters to residents that were passed to and have been for over a year and I hadn't received any money from them whatsoever. So I offered them a payment plan and some information so they'd get back in touch with me. So out of the 24, I had 15 that responded and most of them have either signed up to pay monthly, a couple of them have paid in full and then others have made agreements with me. So I've only got nine at this point that have not. And so those I'll be sending letters to next week to begin the tax sale process if I don't hear anything else. But at least I think we're getting moving on these. Were these agreements, Diane, so that people will be successful in other words? Yes. Yeah. Monthly agreements that I felt would be affordable but within our terms. And I've had, like I say, very good response from the people that have talked to me about it. That's all I've got right now. That's it. Okay, thank you. Let's see here. Approval of licenses, permits, vouchers, and applications? I make a motion that we accept the approval of licenses, permits, vouchers, and applications if there's no comment. The general fund accounts payable warrant number 19G22 with checks 19.082 to 19.105 in the amount of $25,162.73. The payroll warrant number is 19-22 for payroll from April 14th, 2019 to April 27th, 2019 in the amount of $40,275.65. Second. Any further discussion? All those in favor? Aye. Motion carries. And let's see here. Keith Paxton, Cornerstone Catering? Keith, yeah, come on out, Keith, yeah. Thanks for being here, Keith. Keith is here to speak to you about catering licenses of possibly allowing the town clerk to approve them that would save the process of going through the board. So I will let him state his case. Sure, so most of the towns that we work in throughout the state, you can go into the town clerks and they'll sign off on generally most request for catering, which is the alcohol licensing for towns. When we started up in Barry, they went to the same process. It was once we could go in front of city council and they had to approve it and so I worked with them, kind of presented to them. They ended up changing their policies in Barry so now Carol Dawes can go in and sign off on it. Same thing with Barry town. Barry town, the select board was the same thing. They don't meet very, they don't meet often. And so what happens is if somebody was to contact me, say tomorrow and they were looking for a catering or something quick for this coming weekend, it makes things difficult or even next week if it was a funeral or something, just something that needed quicker turnaround time. So I guess all I was looking for is to see if Berlin would consider maybe changing their policies to allow their town clerk to be able to sign off on requests such as that. And what I would recommend is maybe following along the lines of what the state permits, meaning for events of 250 people or smaller, it's quite easy to kind of go through the state. When you start getting into larger events like that, they're looking for more security and for double barriers and things of that nature. But I think what I was just wondering if Berlin would consider is kind of adopting the same policies as some of the other towns around and maybe for events of 200 or less, allowing the clerk to be able to sign off on it. This was not for licenses, it's just catering permits. Just the catering aspects? Strictly, it's a one day permit that gets signed off by the town, goes to the state, the state gets signed off on by the state, which is really essentially signed off by the state liquor inspector for that area. I did speak with Carol in Barry and she does approve the catering ones. If she does not know them, she sends those to the council. Or if it's a new one they haven't had before, or if there's something unusual, or if there's been a problem in the past. So I don't think you're gonna make a decision tonight with the attendance we have, but Keith wanted to come in and chat with you about it. So this is just for food and alcohol? It's really the only thing I have to pull a permit for is for alcohol. So for example, if you were to say, we're having a surprise birthday party for your wife and you wanted to have beverage services, but you don't want it, so you can do one of two things. You can provide the alcohol yourself and you can assume all the liability or you can hire a company like us who has a specific catering license, not any bar can do this or restaurant. It does the specific license. And then we come and we carry $2 million worth of liability insurance. We assume all the liability are satisfactorily trained and certified by the state. What would have to be done if we were to do this, what would have to be done to change it? It would just require a vote by you authorizing the town clerk to have the authority to approve catering licenses. And has the board ever been asked to approve catering licenses in the past $2 million? Not in my tenure. The catering license does say on it to be approved by the town clerk. And it's interesting because the board does not sign those, they sign licenses, but not, it's just the clerk that signs it. And I spoke with Rosemary about it and she was comfortable with it as long as similar to what Carol does in Barry. If she didn't know somebody or they had never had one before. And we've had some that come, we don't know, they're from Randolph or someplace, and I don't know who they are either. Carol's process, as you explained it sounds. I mean, I think, you know, it's really the thing that as Keith says, what I think would be helpful to people is that if you do have a last minute thing, we only meet first and third Thursday. And as you know, we have that license. I had to call you all in for special meeting. So just to give you that. Think about it. I'm not opposed to it. I just think that we should definitely bring it before. Well, I think I should put it on the next meeting or something like that. Exactly. That's what I'm thinking. That way everyone will be in attendance and we can all discuss it as a whole. And I would recommend putting, you know, from my standpoint, I would recommend putting a limit on there too.  After you get up to a certain number of people, don't you have to have facilities and everything else? All towns are different. And no, there's no state requirements. For sanitation or anything like that? Really? That's not a DLC thing. That could be a town ordinance, but I've yet, well, Like a documents that you're something. Right.  That's a large event, but that's organized by the 4th of July committee who asks us to come in and has already been pre-approved by the town. And so I still go and. We usually have things like Northfield Savings Bank having an event or. Majority of ours. Or one of the, you know, or something at the Grange.  I don't think there's probably 120 people there. Oh, I don't think so. I think it was like about 15 or something like that. So those are the ones that I'm more, you know, kind of asking if you'd be going to consider having the town clerk be able to kind of rubber stamp those and. Well, those smaller events are probably more common than the larger ones. Absolutely. The majority of the ones that we do are smaller. Smaller. Smaller. Smaller than less? Less than 200. Absolutely. Yeah. Rarely do we do one that's over 200. Yeah. Well, I have no objections to it, but. I'm going to put it on the agenda for next time. I have no objections either. Yeah. I make a motion that we put it on the agenda for the next meeting. Jeremy? Okay. Okay. Any further discussion? All those in favor? Aye. Aye. Aye. Aye. Aye. Aye. Aye. Two weeks. Perfect. Thank you so much for being here. Yes, thank you. I bet. Okay, Beth? Yeah. The guys are running fast. Yeah, good timing. Yeah. They're trying to get you out of the app. No worries. No worries. So my husband Dave and I are the tree wardens for the town and we thought it would be good to revisit the whole issue with Roadside trees and emerald ash borer with new members on the select board and Some you can provide some updates on where we're at We got approval from the select board last I don't know several months ago I guess to conduct a roadside inventory of ash trees In the wake of emerald ash borer in the area So if you're not familiar with emerald ash borer, let me know and I can tell you a little bit about That past and why it's of concern For roadside trees. Do you want to run down? They are So to the state developed Inventory procedure and has a sort of master server that we've been using To gather information so any town can make use of this inventory process It's uploaded onto a statewide database Where we're able to interact with Elise the woman from the state to get information back as it's uploaded we have We've had seven people working on the inventory to date We determined as a group how we were going to proceed with the inventory and what we decided on was measuring ash trees that were at least six inches in diameter and Making a distinction if there was a power line right of way or power line on the same side of the road that the ash tree was on So there are places in town where there's power lines outside the town road right of way We didn't pay attention to that if the power line was on the other side of the road from where the ash tree was We didn't pay attention to that We also collected information on dead trees of any species that were at least 20 feet tall we're out there collecting data anyhow. Those are other wrist trees So we figured while we were there we would collect that information We measured from the center line of the road 25 feet center line of the traveled corridor 25 feet either side to establish roughly a 50-foot right of way, okay To date we're about half done and we're over there over a thousand trees On average we're looking at about 35 trees per mile but I this is This is just to give you sort of a picture of density Cross-town road has quite a density cross-town road is right here Berlin pond road has quite a density So this is just information in GIS that we can use to start to Prioritize how to how to address this how to visualize what's going on out there and When it comes time to start making decisions we can use this as a filter to help sort of Visualize those wasn't in a perfect world that trees would be removed. Was that the So the best The different towns are handling this different ways Montpelier is taking what what we term a reactive approach They're not moving removing any trees until emerald ash borer has that been identified in the tree It's a little bit different situation down there They have roadside trees that have aesthetic value were a little bit more of a rural community Northfield did sort of a preemptive removal where they and I The tree warden is out of town. He'll be back in a couple weeks, but they actually had a Logger come in with a feller buncher. They shut down a section of road. They have the feller buncher come in Are you familiar with this? Yeah, you probably know more than I do then Yeah, so they were removing all of the trees But the landowners they've got to give them the okay Rutland Rutland actually owns all the town roads rights of way So and they're there tree warden is also an arborist, so He he took care of it for them. They didn't have the issue of landowner So there's a lot of different ways to deal with it So in talking with other towns and what's going you know where they're at and the issues They're facing there's a lot of towns that are kind of in the same boat And we got a couple take-homes from that those discussions And one was a strong recommendation that we form a committee to deal specifically with Methods of control whether it's preemptive removal selective removal whether the town road crews going to do this Whether the town chooses to do nothing And kind of deal with it as the trees are infested the other and then If removal is decided upon how that's going to happen There's got to be landowner notification Who gets the wood what happens to the tops? So there's a lot of issues to think about to how to deal with that once you know a processes or once a Decision is made on how to whether to cut or how to cut The other the other take-home we got was lots of communication with taxpayers So I I Would propose and offer that any time there's a town mailing going out to taxpayers Dave and I get sort of an advanced notice and we will put something together And with your approval they have that put in to communication Once we get the inventory done. I'd also suggest that we offer a meeting, you know a town meeting or Gathering or walk along a road to discuss the issues with any interested taxpayers just to keep them informed and Understanding what all the issues are The other take-home that we got from towns that are Have made the decision to sort of move ahead in a systematic way is Some sort of incremental treatment whether it's budgeting a certain amount of money a year a Certain section a road each year a certain distance of road Emerald ash borers in Montpelier, and it's in berry. It's likely in Berlin. We haven't found it yet Once a tree is infested it dies Within one to four years once the tree is dead It fails from the base. They don't drop their limbs one at a time like a pine tree does Once the tree is dead, you can't have anybody climb it so automatically you have to have a ladder truck come in So the cost of removal after a tree is failed is Or dead is three times higher than prior Prior to the tree dying So anyhow, that's that's just a real a real quick update of where we're at, you know, we have more work to do I think we've hit knock on wood We've hit the roads that have the highest density of ash, but we've been surprised Once we get out there and start actually looking at how much is there your meaning that they they say anything about Landowner education on this or well, that's kind of what the Frequent in information going out to landowners. I'm We're happy to post something on the town website if that's an appropriate mechanism for you know for knowledge or if the Front porch forum, maybe I don't I you know We'll take your suggestions on that. We're happy to to get the information out there and Respond in a limited capacity to you know to questions, but We certainly could put it on the web page and I think last year we mailed something Thinking the Berlin news-to-nose that Corinne Stridesburg puts out too. That's a great idea. Really really well a lot of people read that They do okay, they do. Yeah And and we certainly could put something in this year's tax bills. Yeah, okay. That's really the main mailing we have but that goes to The most people I guess okay What was your finding in terms of the quantity of dead risks risk trees? You know, it's really interesting. There's I Didn't break that out as a percentage on that map, but if you look at it The yellow dots are dead trees. There's not this is just something that we we've been there, but there's no Yeah, so it's not a it's I'm gonna say 15% something like that And so again Dave and I Sit around and talk about trees a lot I guess but We were we were mulling over if we were going to put a committee together what would be you know, sort of the logical people to have on that and It made sense to us to have a select board member on the committee Ginger Anderson has been helping us out and I would ask if she was interested in participating She works for the state. She's also a forester So she would have some of the perspective of you know from the state on what's going on and then a representative from the road crew somehow Ultimately, they you know, that's yeah, they're gonna be very involved in this So when are you thinking that might get pulled probably late some mid to late summer something like that and it So when for if decisions were going to be made To to implement some sort of program next year when from your timeline When does that need to be made for instance if money we're gonna be allocated or at least you know time or resources well as far as money we do the budget in October November timeframe October November December Which doesn't take effect to the following July. Okay, so we're like 18 months if you will from the time we budget it to the time we're actually in that budget Depending on how much How many resources it is? I mean there might be something we can do in the meantime. Okay, if it's if it's significant Obviously, we haven't planned for that. Yeah Well, maybe maybe August would be a good time to get a committee together to start to think about the best way to tackle this So I can check directly with Corinne Do you Would you like me to pass any correspondence that goes out to the public before you I would like to know What it is in case I get phone calls about it Yeah, and I certainly could pass it on to Corinne if that saves you a step. Okay, either way. All right Yeah, that's excellent. And and how about on the and and and the webpage we can take care of that as well Okay All right, you have a mailing that you'd like us to mail out with the They go out in July. Yeah, they got mid-July. I said by the beginning of July I'd have to have them. Okay, and I have to have like Okay, well we could And then whatever else you need for help Okay You know where the town's at with trying to figure out There is a pesticides available for people that have trees in their yard that they would they want to Save It's costly. So that would be another another thing if anybody was Could they give the pesticides to the tree before it's infected or no, they have to know it is before Yeah, and then every other year. Yeah, so it's like a treatment that they mm-hmm. Yeah ongoing. Yeah So Good. Thank you very much One loss coming in When their fellow manager, yeah, and he has a contract with Burlington Electric for chips So they're they're they're doing the cutting and Chippin and all for free Because That's Bruce. Yeah Yeah, that's Russ Barrett is their their tree ward and so I love to understand more of How they did that the time of year and you know how many trees or volume Yeah, we can't we don't leave anything But I don't know There's yeah, well, I guess I guess from what I've heard from them guys over there is is that he kind of wants to Because to make it worth his time and money to run his equipment Well, that's the fact it's a shorter haul than worry What they do is Saying they shut the road down And they just lay everything in the road and hook on to it skidder and drag it up the road and run it through a chipper He's over there right now It's easy to skid on a road and in the woods right now Easier on the equipment, I don't know about the road But yeah, anyhow any other questions or no, thank you for all of your efforts. Yeah, thank you much for coming in back. Yep Okay, Tim, what's up if we could Yeah This is a right-of-way permit to Drill monitoring wells in the right-of-way and paint turned back north at the Honda garage Yeah, I'll let you sure console one So my name is Joe Hayes and with ATC were Environmental engineering consulting firm for Bradford oil company who's the responsible party for the old gas leak That was out there when the gas station was there. There was gas leak in the ground And so we've been testing dad for a few years now and the Vermont DEC has asked now that we test across the road Because one of the monitoring wells that we're testing where the old gas station is that is right along Trying to get my orientation, but you know where to get that side of the road where the gas station was Has the highest level of contaminants in that one well So they want to go across the road To see if the gasoline has gone underneath the road onto the the Honda dealership property Yeah, he saw yeah, and so they've asked for three test warings. This is the Vermont DEC Has asked for three test warings across the road from the old gas station convenience store and then of the three Where we if we find contamination over there One that has the highest levels of contamination. They want to put a well in a monitoring well It would be you know flush to the ground It would come up and they would have a protective road box over it like a you know Like a you know, they call it a water curb box and basically that's what they've asked us to do So that's what that permit is for us to we want to try to keep the warings off the road in the grassy area That's what we really want to do and we spray painted the three locations over there for dick safe And we plan to have the town Someone from the town out there and the Berlin water department and the dick safe people because obviously we don't want to drill through Anything underground any pipes or electricity or anything like that. I want to line waterline Sewer line so that's the plan Oh, we were we were provided with the backup paper work I'm confused you said that you were what was the first step before so you're nowhere to put this well Yes, so the the EC has asked in this site plan that that we sent you right here if we could just refer to this Can I hold this up so every once you see this so Here There's the old maple woods being in store here and The gasoline leaked on this side and it's moving in this direction Okay So this particular monitoring well here MW for which is right on the edge of the road over here in the in the Grassy strip has the highest levels of contaminant the levels have actually dropped off quite a bit over the last several years But this one happens to have the highest So Vermont DC wants to know has it moved under the road onto these properties over here I think the I call it the Shah's kind of comes down here and then you got the Honda dealership So we've got three locations the state said drill test forings into the ground To see if any of these have any traces of gasoline and how far off the road There are only a couple feet off the corner of the of the curb of the road onto the grass I'm trying to think if there's no ditches A curve with catch basins all the way down through I did see the catch faces right on the edge of the road And there could very well be water line or sewer line over in their sewer line Yeah, so we might have to shift these yeah, I mean that's the idea We're not going to drill here if there's something underground here like a pipe or it'll we move these into a safe The new water line just runs side of that curve On the grassy area. Yeah, so we may have to move further How far is the right of way? Do you know how far does that extend? Is it off extend so many feet off center line the road? Usually 25 Yeah, I think pain turnpike is bigger than 50 foot right away. I think it's 75 foot right away there So we might want to just confirm that with the town first I'd like to know because if we end up on private property And we've got to go to the private property owners and get permission. It'd be if we're outside the right of way You probably don't need your doing do we still need your for outside the right away? No No, then you're on your own. Yeah So it's important this whole dig safe in meeting with the town or you know sewer and water is important So we can know where we can safely drill these task warnings But these are approximate locations right now that we have but it will depend on what you know what? Utilities are under the ground and then we'll shift these around until we get a safe location Well, I mean the water systems only about four years old So you should have a pretty good map before this place. Yeah, I've got an excellent I think we have good records of all those So I'm not sure about the sewer line that land above the Honda Rudge It shows drywood Wayne Lamberton. Oh, he does own that. Okay. Okay All right So if we're in in but the right away would extend on his property to right all the way up through well up to the drive right Into the Shaw's yeah, but I think he owns after Shaw's too Yeah, he bought he bought that land that's what Yeah, yeah, I think he owns the Shaw's driveway actually Well, maybe we are a touch base of them, but we don't want anybody to be surprised They only do this so we may There's a fire hydrant right there. I saw that. Yeah, right my Shaw's entrance. Yeah, and now Waterline is roughly right there. So we do not want to drill into anything like that. So we're gonna want to do a sewer lines in the street But sewer lines in the street, but it goes out through By the Honda garage cuz gotta go to the pumping station over there. Yeah, okay But you have some drawings and stuff here We'll send someone by to take a look at the make a speak with Tom. He'll have okay But I'll see yes So What you needed tonight you're gonna start this it's it's next week whenever we get all the dig safe cleared out and all that Stuff next week. No can dig dig safe won't be able to locate that waterline because it's plastic Yeah, so is that the burl in well, how's the tracer wire in it? Oh, it does okay So you got a tracer wire coming up to to most all the shutoffs. They ran a tracer wire above the pipe Okay, so they should be able to clamp on to that. Yeah, it's that a signal through that should be able to now is the water Department is that the town? Yeah, so we'll want to get that I Who should so Tom would be the one we turn them and die in you on the diet Okay So Tom can pull the maps for you and he would be able to show you where the sewer line is Perfect because I don't know for sure where the sewer line goes It's got to go right there through by the on the grout somewhere. It's because the pumping station is right out It's okay somehow, but I don't know about any of the if there's any underground services for power Okay, so well, you know, we'll make sure we get that But that's the plan and then once we put that well in we'll have to test it So we'll come back And and collect a sample of water from the well have it analyzed and we put a report together And that goes to the Vermont DEC and then based on what we find They'll they'll ask to maybe do more testing or if they don't see much over there They may be good with it and then what eventually the wells have to be abandoned or closed out So the state will require us to come back fill them with grout and pull the Steadicasing out of the ground and patch it over. So that's ultimately what happens to these old these gas station sites They eventually get cleaned up and then the wells get abandoned and the site gets actually closed It's called a smack if the Vermont DEC calls a site management activity completed So that's what we're hoping will happen at some point in the near future He has a completion day here at May 9th Yeah, so that must be the day. That's the day that that's the target date of the drilling So what day let's see that would be today is the second right? So it's Thursday, so that's the target date to do the drilling assuming we have clearance from sewer water Electric before and also what we do is we hand Core with a hand auger five feet Before we actually send the drill rig down through and in the drill rig is a small like F-250 350 Type truck, it's not the huge water well drills that drill. That's easy. It's a smaller.  We're planning on 15 to 20 feet Theory of Ledge. Oh, yeah We hope to find water before that though, so you can put the well in you know, because we typically Don't drill into the bedrock. I mean sometimes we have to if the state wants us to but Usually if there's enough water on top of the bedrock, that's where the gasoline is going to be Yeah, if we find it over there And then of course it depends if there's a good layer of gravel for it to move through if it's clay down to the crack Yeah, I mean, you know, it's possible we find it and the states is will go a little further So we have to put together another plan to go further downhill, you know, it depends on what we find over there in this first iteration So we suggested that Joe come in and get the permit tonight because he wants to have it completed next week So basically what you need is a motion to approve drilling These wells off of the right-of-way, that's right I second that motion Let's add the stipulation that it as long as dig safe says it's on the they can do it on the town property or a town right away I Second the motion as long as I can't make a motion I Basically second the motion with the caveat that Brad just explained about dig safe completing that portion an aspect Okay Any other discussion all those in favor hi hi There you go great Yeah, she's the one that you know her she's the one she called me and I Okay, good. Yeah, so she'll be the one that'll be back here looking at the maps and she'll actually be out there overseeing the drill With our company Thank you. Thank you. Good luck. You're growing great. Thanks Okay, Tim, what's up? Well, we have three things for Tim And I think I'm gonna ask if you would start with the garage heaters first We had talked about that last time and I had asked if you would hold off on a decision so that I could get a third quote I did not get a third quote So that means I have and I I guess we've given it enough time. So we have two One of the quotes is from Bob Belch His quote I believe for two Monique am I right on this replacing both furnaces was fifty one hundred thirty-three dollars for two and then we had the quote from the lesbians I think theirs was two two They had a quote for one it was like forty four ninety and then two was seven thousand something That was the quote was Seventy-one hundred dollars was for a new oil furnace But we'll get let's be some quotes we have it here. Yeah Because when when he was there Scoping out the thing over there. He said it was gonna take two For the oil furnace no or just in general propane One of the oil furnaces is dead. Yeah, but both I mean the the Both of the modine are going to be if they're going to go if you're going to propane That's for the That'll be for the two Propane modines is seven thousand you said Was that no Gillespie's gave us a quote for an oil furnace go back to Staying the same as it is over there. Yeah, but he suggested to go to propane Because it's Cheaper there's a computer natural gas propane and Another problem that we have is that that our fuel tank over there for the furnaces is on the ground Yeah, that would eliminate that Because we got to have the state come in here shortly And we got to dig up our diesel fuel tank Yeah and Have it clean so that we can bury it and They figured that If you're gonna do one was all I'm doing both over here because that Tank has been in there since I was here in the 80s. Yeah So I mean you're you're looking at This guy that was just here putting the well in The only thing that I know that it's different with Bobby's Quote and Gillespie's Gillespie's quoted us 250 BTUs and Bobby Sounds like a good price 51 33 for two. Well, that's gonna be I can't be 250 No, no hundred and fifty thousand BTU No, it's 250 BTUs, but it's that's natural gas and the reason that Bobby went with 350 is is because When you go to propane, it's not as much BTUs. Yeah, there's no gas So he said to get the same heat that we're getting with them oil furnaces over there You had to go to at least the 350 Because you lose a percentage of your BTU's with propane No, well how big a tank are they gonna put in? Um, maybe 1,000 gallon one really. You get some problems with not being able to vaporize fast enough when it gets cold out Well, I'm not having a very good success finding that quote, so maybe I'll have to put this till next meeting So that you can do it. Well, we're not using the furnace though. I must have it. Oh, I'm getting come on today. Yeah, hopefully you won't need to use it much more We shouldn't even be having to put our heat on this time of year So I apologize Then they Gillespie suggested that The oil tank here is on the ground too That we put it next to the fence by the generator and they would suggest that Within time here that you might want to switch this building to One 250,000 BTU propane fired molding unit heater from Gillespie was $4490 That was for one Was there a discount for the tube? It it wasn't there wasn't as far as it was not a math math because we weren't We weren't talking of doing anything because the problem that we had was is the furnace in the front part of the shop It's the one that's bad. Yeah, I mean, it's really bad works harder, too yeah and we don't run the heat that part of the building that high and Now the one in the back part of the building Did each of them propose a time frame if they were selective how soon they could they they did not But I don't think it's a long time For winter. Yeah. Yeah Yeah, because we don't need it now, but We're gonna have to do something before next winter. So you better to get it done because if it We put in of course Bobby doesn't sell propane So we're gonna end up buying a propane from Gillespie because that's who we buy it from anyway We got to dig through the yard there Any chance of firing the journey or propane That's diesel so yeah, I don't think all right we'd have to this one though some some diesel You just take in it's a novel on the intake Usually the diesel fuel fires the propane the propane But I've been here seven years that generally doesn't kick on off about runs every Tuesday morning for 15 minutes And then it's it's we've used it a few times with power outages since I've been here But I bet they haven't put a hundred gallons of fuel in it. Yes, seven years. I've been here So we did we did run it at nice week exercise. We don't use it So yeah, I can I can make it run and put it on the building on it because Wayne showed me how to do it Yeah, so if so if I feel that it needs to run all I gotta do is go over there and switch it over put the building on a load so it'll burn more fuel because You gotta keep the fuel treated because it sets up for a first. That's why I was wondering if you were running on propane Maybe we should take and think from open in tanks for propane better propane generator. Well, we have been told and I just remember that that generator is We need to think about doing something with that generator. It's not eminent, but what is it? It was a used generator came from the sewer point And I'm not sure how old it is, but yeah, I was came from very popular row. So it's probably 15 years old but we did we had we had worked on it and They put they put in a new heater element thing to keep the fuel because that's why it wasn't starting Yeah, and they said it's an excellent shape. I mean it's a it's a Let's get charmers engine who's got 4500 hours on it. Oh I don't know. I have to look But I mean it's been serviced well some changed it the filters and I mean it runs good We have been keeping an eye on it and keeping it up and making sure it runs every week And does every Tuesday morning But puts us back on the end of next week, I'm sorry about that. I'm gonna find at the minute the meeting's over, of course Well, next week we have to be May 16th. Well, that didn't work out so well. Let's try another one Go with paving extension We I had talked to you a little bit about that last week and We had talked about Extending the paving contract with pike And they had given us the same prices last year We're down. Yeah, what 76 last year this year at 73 if we stayed with them 73 per ton And that's the best way to buy it and consider this fiasco that we went through last year. It's just by the time Goes far as it'll go. Yeah Now this contract says for potter's farm and industrial Avenue Yeah, well, he just measured it for me because I wanted it I wanted to see what it was gonna cost us to see if I could do both of those roads With yep with my budget. That's all that was for. Okay, so this isn't a contract that they need to approve No, you're just wanting to mind a sure hand that you just want to know You know, I don't know what the cost of the pavement was or anything So he called me about something else and I asked him if he would measure those to grow How far did your how far is your paving going to go? Oh, yeah Plus I have money left over in the paving It shows in the book that we went over on paving, but we got a hundred and one thousand Well, it's the it's the age old problem that we have with the budget We put it up front and get it back later. You know, it's we get the grant We have to show the expense that we spent it and then we we do have the revenue on the other side We can't take that money and offset the expense so that it looks that you have to just Yeah, so actually if you were to look at our budget, we wouldn't have any money to pay things We did get the Fisher Road Grant grant we got a hundred one thousand from that and We had spent 20 So that left and you had a hundred fifty In your budget and I had some left over and didn't spend it all last year Well So even if we have something previous you know, we didn't have any left from the previous yeah So So now that the grants came That goes back into the paving budget Grant money. It doesn't yeah, that's what I'm just trying to explain How it works So if I were to look at the budget, I think that is to a hundred and four thousand I am getting there slowly but surely Rose as well 204,000 we spent and so that means we're over our budget by fifty four thousand and We received a hundred one thousand And in revenue, so we have just under fifty thousand if you were to think of it that way This year Yes, and then In July we'll you'll have another hundred fifty thousand. Yeah, because the Bridgett lover's lane. It's got a big resurfaced That payments all yeah, and you want to roll this yeah I wanted to roll a roll over worse because I would like to do something to down to the junction where my capital steel Right there by capital steel Is there a cold? Yeah, yeah There's everybody can you know, right? That Smith boss But I mean you if you if you go along there I think just just only one color Yeah Right in there. I don't know if the road is giving way toward Cars or if it's just settling where I got the phone you mean could be yeah, it's just Well, I wanted to do some paving down there and I want to fix Down at the end where you go on to the dirt by Right, I want to Dig that cut that pavement back up by that last trailer Yeah, and then raise the road up so that take that dip out of there because It goes down and then it goes up so all that water sets right there all the time And you got massive potholes all the time So I wanted to cut the pavement tear it all out. It's pretty rough shape anyways Raise the road up so it's level with those lawns Pull a new culvert in there it goes across the road right there by ruggles this and then pave a little bit further Towards ruggles is driveway can't go too much further because We got some soft spots there spring So the question is is the board going to extend the contract for pike at seventy three dollars a ton I make the motion that we extend the contract with pike at seventy three dollars, which is Not seventy three dollars, but seventy three per ton versus seventy six of last year, which is a cost savings Any further discussion? All those in favor? So you can let your friend know And I talked to the Pipe it's not gonna want to do that branch. That's just you know, they're all yeah, that's too small And Another thing that I'd like to do if we have that surplus is Pave this parking lot. This is getting pretty nasty. And does the town do anything with the Riverton Bridge? Or is that just state? That's state just state. Yeah, I thought it was just That's what I thought it was worth mentioning. I didn't think town got involved with that people think we do They call a few people mentioned it to me and I told them that I was fairly certain It was strictly state The only bridge that we have that's paved is Lover's Lane Lover's Lane, but that's a wood deck with pavement on top of it Okay, now the highway truck You had talked about a highway truck and you're saying that you were Going to ask the board if they would if it's gonna buy a truck so you could order it now Is that yeah, is that like we did if we don't order within the next couple months? For next yeah next year What condition is and and where I'm coming from Tim is the budget Was great is really hit hard We bought we bought the excavator we bought the new trailer We do have two hundred thousand dollars in structures and equipment and I've got Richardson Road facing us That I have to that has to get done Which is a two hundred thousand dollar job What I mean is the truck Need to be replaced the two thousand yeah We've already dumped a ton of money in it this way now as hoist is all pitted and Oil is leaking out of it pretty good. We got to put new wing cylinder on it, but we're gonna have to fix that Before winter because the wind cylinder is shot But we just dumped a ton of money into it. What would it cost to replace this wing? A couple thousand if we if we put in Even ten thousand fifteen thousand to get through another year Well, we we are going to get through another year Right, we're not going to get the truck a new truck until 2000 the fall of 2020 Oh, you're not proposing that we do it. I thought you were asking for this year Well, I mean Order it right now order it so that you'd be if something if if we order it right now We're not going to see the truck until at least next February of 2020 We won't receive the truck until after July first Which will be Yes It's out there They require any pre-payment when you order So you will have the old the truck you have now you're gonna run another winner with it When you get this we're talking about what would that what would your oldest truck then be if you replace the oldest one now 15 kind of think here, so What you're saying is We if you order the truck Clarks We're gonna buy it from Clark's because they have the state contract and you know, they're gonna come close to me and touch He said that they are so backed up right now if we weren't to order it now We wouldn't get the truck I mean if we wait until after like July August, we're not gonna see that truck until July August of next year And then that means it's got to go and have a body and everything put on it So then we're gonna be into the wearer of the 2021 budget Here that star is that far behind? Oh, he said it's just they're just swamped Help me understand this Tim because I'm having a little trouble last year about this time We gave the heads up to Clark that we were gonna buy a truck and we've got it in the summer Yeah, but it was it was different then Okay, that's I'm gonna get there. Yeah, so we order the truck We don't we don't have to We say order the truck now. We don't have to give him any money He said it probably be February Maybe the first of March before they would even see it in under that's just the cabin chassis That's the cabin chassis. So then then then you got to go out to bed I fully body and the plow and quit would make sure we're not because and it's not voted on yet He said that if if a miracle was to happen and they had it done in June Excuse me. You don't need to buy it until after July 1st Yeah How much is it how much of those truck going for on the state contract He was Doing some colds and stuff for Jeff Newton and I Really, I don't know for sure and out there rock roughly probably I Think the last one we paid 110,000 for it. Yeah So similar in there. Yeah, and then the body was 77,000 Things don't go down in price over time. No, I just Changed in the subject the grayer broke down the other day. We're not buying one of those either. We lent it It would go five miles an hour We need to live moment. They call it Come back here to shop I call cat They said the mechanic down He plugged into it with his computer and it was a sensor that controls The computer's telling it. It's either low oil. There's no oil in the transmission There's no oil in the engine. There's no antifreeze does all that The part was 160 bucks the bills to almost 1200 Yeah So it's it's costly diagnostic time takes So, I mean I call them today and question it on him and he says well Mostly labor, I mean they had to come here to fix it We've taken it up there wouldn't cost us as much except for always 300 something dollars for travel time and Whatever, but I mean it would have cost us more than that to get it there Maybe gotta get it back here So they come to fix it. Well, I was shocked when I saw the bill Part was hundred and sixty dollars and bills almost A lot of you gave it to me, but a lot of those things bill apart is for fairly inexpensive getting to the dance party Oh, this was easy Around the top took him 15 minutes I mean, you know we send it to me by email to whichever you On the on the truck I Mean you're gonna have to go out to bed with the body because there's three different body companies and and that You know, that's not another woman have a state contract. Yeah so We can do that Well Well, I think what we'll do is we'll put the truck off till next meeting and then we'll take it I think that's probably an idea. I'm just gonna say it. Yeah, and you can look through it a little bit and now the last truck that we traded I Think we got But the one before that we got 65 for it, but The thing of it is is Clark's knows They work on so they know what condition that truck that Gary had when he was here that was jumped from day one We had no trouble with that truck and then we're gonna want to get cost us a lot of money So and this truck has been good until this year I mean we had to put in a fan home. That was for grand We had to put in a new bed chain New sprockets and now we're gonna do is something with a cylinder, but I'm gonna do the cylinder myself I'm not taking it to a box. I can buy a cylinder at Charlie boys Cheap and Yeah, and it's nothing for us to we can change it So we need to have this conversation again in the fall Yeah, I know you're saying you're gonna. Yeah, I want Yeah, if you will put that our next week's agenda, okay And then ask the full board to vote on that and then but we would I hope they'd be us We'd have to have a clause and they are depending on funding because we haven't voted that money yet Yeah, I know that yeah, okay. I know you I just have to say it And I can tell you right now if if something means you was to happen and we couldn't buy it They're not going to do it Because they're there's more people out there. They're just selling them as fast as they get them in Okay, then Thank you Tim coming in And probably gonna be changing the subject again, it's probably gonna be another If you what the weather does this week It's coming Tomorrow, so I guess some more whether it's some Sunday going to dry out quick They're strong in the fall Yeah, down the farm there you go around that corner there's the end of the big meadow. That's a Like being an ice Sleep all to me. Yeah But surprisingly But it is Once you get out from that cold corner the roads are pretty decent and stricken right now Okay, Tim. Well, thank you very much. Yeah, let's see what we can do Next on the agenda is a special event permit for Central Vermont Medical Center Yes, this is a and they have had this in the past It's central Vermont Medical Center for their walk-and-run five mile loop around the pond The police have been consulted. They're okay with it. It's to be held on Thank you. All right the middle June 15th and They have done this before they have not asked to have this the fee waived I have not received the check yet, but I'm sure I will from Robert and other than that My second motion any further discussion hearing none those in favor I Can I ask one more thing before I take off For me to put up no parking signs out on wrong home road Do we have to have an ordinance? There's signs there, but they're old No, you can do maintenance without Because the other day I was out there great in the back side of the pond I Came back and the people parked on top of my windmill There's so many people parking out there. There's no room I'm on right here right as you turn on the book You mean beyond the current parking lot Well, they built that new parking lot and that's supposed to be for boat access Yeah, and nobody parks in there unless they got a boat or canoe or something But that little area that they got to park there to walk They just there's no room they're parking all the way down the side of the road out there down There's parking down in this in the city of Montpain is pumping station or whatever that thing is In their door yard And I can't I couldn't believe it I came back around the corner there by the pumping station and there was cars parked on top of my windmill I said no Yeah And I'd like to know if we have to There there's signs there. It says no parking, but they're really faded here But I don't know Well, I mean because I'm I would like to go out there If the signs get the signs are up as an ordinance there. I would just take in Give us the new signs new signs up Toad at the owners expense. I think that area is covered in the ordinance and The guys I used fishing this spring did the same thing to me. I had to get the cops out here They weren't they weren't out there on the ice very far and I hauled to them and told them to move their race They didn't just totally ignored Didn't take them on when the cops showed up with these little blue lights flashed and they got on his loud speaker and said Fellas they were picking up their stuff and headed for their cars Junction field road at well, it's not quite the same place, but Technically, yes, we probably should do an amendment to the ordinance, but You just replace you under there. Yeah, I know On that road does the right away for the through way in the Pain turn quick. Does that those meet? Well, they got an overlap on DOS I just wonder if there's in some place we can put another parking area that's getting back on a use Oh, you wouldn't believe it You cannot believe the number of people that are out there and we're bad last year because they didn't they didn't want to climb over the Marricades and stuff on mirror Lake Road, but since mirror Lake's been back opened up ungodly I Mean just people walking. Yeah, but walking in bicycling and bring bicycles and but it's not using the water It's not using the pond itself. Just using that. I mean that the ones that are using the pond have been parking down in that new parking lot That do was built there Well, I wonder if we could take him talk to the state see about the fees building putting in a Area there between the Fence and the oh you ain't got room enough. You don't have enough room Fence straight take to our road. Oh Pain turn by itself. Yeah Because I can hit it when up if I'm winging with a greater idea. There's not a lot of room there Well, you who widened it out so people could well A lot of it too is is if they just use common sense and park a little closer together And pull in a little bit further But I mean they're parking in there like this and people are parking behind the people that are already parked in there Yeah, well, if you look at the way the road the road curves away from the through way toward the south There's gonna be there's good. It's gonna open up enough in there so that between the two right-of-ways you could put in a Even if it's only 20 by 40 or 50 Is it round that we have now is that in our right-of-way or is it on the city's land? It's in our right away. It is Yeah, there's a city would learn about that. Okay. That's what I thought. Yeah. Yeah, this way here. You could Wouldn't be down there, but I mean we can't we can't Can't make it longer because the pond comes back against that's what I was calling that. Yeah that's why I was wondering between the between the road and Throughway if you could take and get an area in there where you could have enough. I'd have to look at it I don't quite know what it looks like. I mean, I know it looks like it's I don't know what the road follows the pond And then the through a goes up. Yeah. Yeah, I know we might have but I'm wondering what kind of space you have Well, you should have I mean you if you could take and get a little triangle or a piece of an egg and put 56 cars or mm-hmm at least get them off them. There is like a little pull-off up there before that little Driveway that goes up into that. Yeah, whatever that lot is We own we own some land along the pond. The trouble is it's so It's such a drop down onto it that we couldn't do anything over there. Yeah, I mean we you might be able to you know where I am There I mean Although you know problem is the only problem with that whole side of the roads got catch basins They're not culverts their catch basins and they're down they sat down and see they did that when they built the through way Wherever this the state Reconstructed that Berlin on part of that road when they built the through way and they put catch basins in there all the way down through From where you're talking about all the way back. Thank you Okay So let's see here Yeah, we've been again as I mentioned to you the other the other week we're at this The town center is everyone is very excited for it. We've asked them all to help finance it I'm in the same situation If the money goes through our books We don't have the budget for it and it just makes us look like we've overspent the budget which technically we have Even though it comes in on the revenue side from the if it doesn't go through a book, that's one thing So we really need professional help There's been a lot of work done as far as mapping with it We're starting to have meetings and but what I would like to do is to have a meeting with all the boards in town and Just see where everyone stands in this town center Are we going to pursue the town center or are we not going to pursue the town center? It's a in my opinion, it's the long-range project I think would be good for the town. We've got that 99 New development the 99 elderly housing going over there with the town center We would have more commercial real estate that came in plus mixed use. We'd have more tax base We would have to take over that mall road You'll be retired probably so alive. I'm still living but You know we'd have to The plan would have to call out would have to draw out what that's going to look like as a town center There's going to be expenses as far as the mall owns all that property, so I mean we would have to Do something so in other words, I guess I've never developed a town center before so it's all new to me, but When the when the mall came in and said we want to apply for this and I think we're all pretty naive at the time We just thought it would be a lot easier and I didn't think their consultant at the time didn't realize What an involved project is we have to do a few studies It's beyond Tom and my expertise. I Think it's an excellent idea to pull the various boards together to have a collaboration discussion Yeah, I mean I just thought it might be a good idea and have so that everyone knows Really understands what the project is and what it entails How long it would take before we saw any Result of of our investment what type of investment it would be Need a feasibility study, you know Basically, basically it needs it, but we don't want to get in we're at the point now that we have to start spending money And we have no money to spend You know the town center has been the zoning has been done the master plan has been done And I guess this town center idea has been going on a lot longer than I've been here I don't I think it's a good spot for the town center if we have a town center and I can see at some point I can see it coming to fruition. The hospital would be involved. I mean, there's a lot of players Downstreet was in this week. We talked about they're considering building a building over there for housing I've asked them What they could help us with Could they help us with some professional help? could they Help us write crannies could they do things that we just don't have the expertise and they said they would be willing to Help us, however, but again, nothing's committed and nothing's online so That's where we are and I was hoping maybe in two weeks if we had like a meeting with all the boards Maybe even have it over at the range Or something like that, what do you think about that idea? Kimmer yeah, yes, Jeremy do say Okay, thanks Okay, well, I'm sorry to spend so many words saying nothing, but I Think I think we really need to have everybody rowing in the same direction. Was there any other The long service. Yes We do need to Okay Last at the last meeting we open the bids for the long service and we've done a little research with them Just to refresh your memory orange County was $2,000 for the season additional work 2250 an hour Kirkyard Services 2,600 for the season Additional work would be $30 an hour. We've used both those vendors before Jay Milne at Santa Sport Service in Barry Is $2,100 with additional work at $25 an hour? The question was with Orange County, they talked about an automatic renewal of the contract and I've talked with them and We could get out of that any time. It's not a it's not a binding thing They are just giving us a two-year price of $2,000 for the season Knowing that I would recommend that the board choose orange County property management And you've been pleased with their services in the past. No, no issues. No issues at all. They do here the park and Munsey Road the Over at the dog River Park over next to the firehouse in Riverton And they do the monument the memorial monument on the corner and their price was $2,000 for the season and we're talking May through 24 an hour after that and Additional work 20 to 50. I have had them do a few additional things such as weeding out front And I have them do bushwhack, I think You did that, okay, so that really isn't a normal Given their past services and the Recommendation from me I recommend that we award the law services contract orange County with an automatic renewal at $2,000 for the season and 2250 above that And it's not binding any further discussion Hearing none those in favor aye aye Was that all the additions that is yeah that oh I had a no I have That is if I can talk about it now I just wanted you to be aware that part of the update for the hazard mitigation as you remember We chose a consultant who is working with us to do this work and he is going to be Releasing a survey regarding hazard mitigation. This is kind of a standard part of the work that they do They ask some questions. Do you like to take a look at that? To get as much input as they can I Didn't want a survey going out if you didn't know about it. Did that come in? hard copy or They could put in the digital files into Jeremy. I can I can send it to Jeremy And I'll send it to you All of us Did I send you one? I don't think I've sent it, but I'll send it to all of you He did as well yeah, so you may have a bread, but I'll send it to be sure you have it He's very efficient, so sometimes He puts me in shame. Okay In the old that's that's all you get for it. Yeah See here Proof of suck word minutes for 418 and 425 I Make a motion that we accept the minutes of 418 and 425 and I just have a couple notations on the minutes for April 25th Just small item on page one just removing a period after chair town and on page 3 of 3 I was just questioning is that the right spelling for the ambulance report the very town is that I Haven't seen the ambulance report, so I wasn't sure if Barry town was the name of where the company Is our ambulance or if I'm sorry, okay, no worries. I see Barry town. Yeah So is that the name of the company that produces the it's the town of Barry. Oh, okay. Okay, okay So those are the only things other than that. I recommend that we approve both sets of minutes For the discussion All those in favor I And Administrators report me I Don't really have very much. I have talked to you about the Newtown center designation as you know Josh Walker is going to be coming to the board to talk about the contract on Black Road at some point and So that will be that will be coming up he he wants to have wider What right away Well Table full Jeremy all set Any excessive session. No, I'm not tonight Entertainment motion to adjourn. I make the motion that we adjourn All those in favor I We're adjourned