We can win this war. We can win this war? OK, well joining us from Orlando, Florida is the man in that clip, Anthony Dream Johnson, who says he wants to abolish feminism and make women great again. No, but it also says, with the trademark, make women great again, always great. Make women great again. They're going to do a three-day seminar for women led by all men. In mansplaining news, a three-day conference for women led by men hopes to make women great again. How the 22 convention will make you the greatest you ever. Raise your femininity by 500%. First of all, how is a man supposed to tell a woman how to be the ultimate woman? A woman needs to be taught how to be great again, not my words. Oh, me too. How to land a husband. How to lose weight.  Why do men problems of women? Well, it says the world's ultimate event for women. In Orlando, Florida, that's going to be the scene of the crime. It's mansplaining platoosa. And say no to the toxic bullying feminist dogma. Taught by men to make women great again. Taking the stage now is the founder of the 22 convention you're in for a treat, Mr. Anthony Dream Johnson. Anthony Dream Johnson. Anthony Dream Johnson. The first president of the manosphere. It's run by all men, which promises to, quote, make women great again. This course is guaranteed to raise your femininity by 500%. Together, we will make women great again. Excuse me, I'm mansplaining here. She said there's nothing wrong. Welcome back to the 22 convention of Orlando, Florida, 2020, being held at the first ever 21 summit. Your next speaker is a personal friend of mine with my BFF's, I love him to death. Great dude. Got a great little baby girl. Got his fiancee in the back. Great people, awesome people. So your next speaker here is the author of several books, including The Map, A Personal Guide to Sexual Marketplace, and an anti-bullying book called My Red Hat, both of which you can get on Amazon. And you should. We also have them up in the front. That's in a later though you could do that. This presentation's going to be titled Why Make Women Great Again? And it is by the one and only Socrates. Please let me welcome him to the stage. Thanks, sir. First time. Yeah. Thank you for coming here. In all sincerity, I did not think this would actually happen for a whole host of reasons. One in which I did not think we'd be permitted to do so. But a better man than myself dared. And that man is Anthony Dream Johnson. It's something we've talked about for years. As we progress the 21 convention, trying to help men improve the dating marketplace in the lives of men across a whole series of spectrums. And it was a natural extension to do this for women, particularly in today's social and gender-focused sexual marketplace and culture. So I think it's terribly presumptuous to make this statement, make women great again. It's terribly incendiary. We know it's catching. It's triggering. But I think baked into the question begs or other question. And that question is why? Why would I make women great again? And it's a question that there is a need to do so. That there is a value to do so. That we have an obligation to do so, or at least at a minimum, we should do so. We're not permitted to ask that question. It'll be interesting to see how this convention, these speeches will be fielded and handled publicly. And it will be very fascinating to see the retort on our political and sexual opposition. So why make women great again? Let's fundamentally ask that question. Why would you make women great again? When the risks for doing so are extreme, they are real, and they're insidious. I have personally been threatened. My home has been threatened. My family has been threatened. My four-year-old daughter has been threatened. And I don't mean physical harm.  And the deviancy involved in the accusations and threats are amazing, and they're coming from women. So why would I do that? Why would I risk all that to include my job and career to speak up? Why would I? So why make women great again? When the sky is no longer the limits for women, when women can be anything, have anything, and smart and assertive women can achieve this and are doing so today. Why make women great again? Well, ladies, you should not be a refugee from love, commitment, marriage, and family. You should not be the Cinderella of the one-night stand, and a condom should not be your glass slipper. Why make women great again? When harping on men, nagging, pestering, demeaning, mocking, ready-killing, tearing down, disparaging men has been so effective in society. Why? Because this is no way to get a man. You're going to chase all the good ones away. Men will turn their backs on women and feminism, and when you need them most, they won't look at you. Why make women great again? When this is the fruit of feminism, why? These are our daughters. This is someone's child. Something's wrong. Why make women great again?  Why make women great again? When women themselves are making them sexually disposable, this woman's marriage didn't last the length of a car rental. This doesn't end well. So why make women great again? Because we need you. We always have. We always will. I believe the sexes are meant for each other. I'm Socrates, and I help people navigate today's sexual marketplace.  We need to do something about that. It's why we dare speak up. It's why I dare risk what I do. By training in profession, I'm a licensed architect. It has shaped my world and how I view that world. And in particular, how I take my particular skill sets and apply them to the manager, particularly the dating sexual marketplace, and assist men and in today women. One of the most responsible things I do is I'm responsible for guiding an entire team to include the owner, the engineers, my architectural team to create a vision and see that vision fulfilled. In the sexual hemisphere, my job is very similar. My job is to paint a vision and to guide men towards that vision. And that vision is the sexes are meant for each other. And any design concept architecturally that we may come up with in creativity challenge and trying to adjust the demands of the profession, when they don't meet the vision, I'm obligated to turn it back to the team and say, we need to redo. We need to reinvestigate. I do the same thing here. When the manospheres comes up with concepts and ideas and theories and philosophies, I try to keep everyone aligned to that principle that we're meant for issues of men turning away from the sexual marketplace because women have driven them away, family called them so many things that they're inferior. They're not worth it. They can't have these things. And the threats against them are so extreme from women in relationships for life. That's deviant human behavior. Something's terribly wrong. Make sure that they bring these men back to alignment to their nature that we're meant for each other. So let's talk about some of that. Let's use an analogy of art restoration. This is a historical picture. We're going to critique it. But before we get into the nuances of the coloring, the tone, the saturation, and the brush strokes, and the techniques involved, I think it's terribly important to look at the nature of the critics. And this is something that I've leaned heavily on from Douglas Murray's book, The Madness of Crowds. And one of the things as an architect, you are subject to a tremendous amount of feedback and criticism. But you have to be able to filter out what to take, what to use, and who to listen to. And it boils down to a really pretty basic understanding. It's really fairly simplistic. And that is this. Of two critics, you listen to the one who means you well. You're obligated to listen to that.  They're there to destroy. They're there to wreck. Regardless of their character, flaws, or motivation for it, you can dismiss that critic. Right or wrong, you're best to dismiss everything they say. But on the contrary, the critic that means you well, you would be wise to slow down. Not just hear them, but to listen to them, to take note, to empathize with their position, and try to see a different perspective of what you're doing and why, and how is that relevant? So let's take a look at this actual piece of restoration. This is the idealized sense. Here it is in reality. And here's the ramifications. At what point would have it been appropriate to tell the individual, please, for God's sakes, put down the brush. Stop. Do no harm first. I would say this is a kind of a nice analogy of feminism. It starts on the left. And through successive waves of feminism, it has completely deteriorated the female form. And it has literally stripped femininity from the female entity. It is making the female soulless. Let's look at that. At what point should we have stopped? At what point do we say you're doing harm? At what point do we say this isn't right? The problem is we're not talking art. We're talking a living, breathing, empathetic individual. I can't believe that we can look at this transformation and say we care about people and have this occur. And what does that say about feminism when they know this is the result? When we know that this is an archetype? And this is beyond aesthetics. This is beyond aesthetics.  I think, in many ways, this is somebody who's affecting and transmitting the fact they've been damaged. This is a traumatized individual. And it's not unique. It's pervasive. I also think feminism suffers from what Douglas Murray also describes as St. George syndrome. This is a case where St. George slays the dragon justly so. But what happens? What happens next? Does the sword, does the lance, does the armor ever get put away? And the answer is no. What happens then? Invariably, St. George keeps up going about slaying smaller and ever smaller creatures to the point that they're doing nothing but attacking the air, tilting at windmills. That would be a sad narrative. That would be a sad existence, worth mockery, Don Coyote, if it will. But the reality is that's not what's happening. Now, the dragon gets slayed. And smaller and smaller creatures do get attacked. The problem is, at some point, they become a danger to others. Specifically, boys, men, fathers, families. And we're transcending even that. No, no, they keep going. Because it's going to be in a neurotic issue. They're going to be neurotic behavior that will not stop until they're a danger to themselves. So what does that look like? This individual has fought so many dragons, she's a danger to herself. There was a concept developed in 1960 as a book called Psycho-Cybernetics by Maxwell Malt. And he's a grandfather of visioning. And the concept for making people change and develop better patterns of behavior was to visualize that change. And the importance of that was that if you could visualize the change, you will be creating a reality. And the clearer and more defined, and the more times you revisit that, you make that real. You manifest that possibility. You create a reality that did not exist previously.  You actually convince your subconscious that this is a possibility. And it affects positive change. The problem is, that phenomenon can be misused unintentionally. What happens when the premise is wrong, when the vision is wrong, when the facts and data is wrong and not revisited, when there's an error in judgment? And you keep repeating it. You keep repeating it. And you keep repeating it. What happens is you take the notions of the feminist attacks on men and you keep manifesting them. You become self-traumatizing.  Why can we see somebody physically bleed and take pity and be alarmed? But when we see this, we acknowledge it and accept it. So let's talk a little bit about feminism. Let's go there. Let's dare to go there. What's the first rule of feminism? The first rule of fight club is you don't talk about fight club. It's a 1990s movie. That doesn't apply here. The first rule of feminism is you don't criticize feminism. You talk about it all day long, but you don't criticize it. Now, granted, it has been marketed about equality. It has been sold about equality. Every blowback we get is feminism is about equality. I think that marketing is half right. I actually do. I think it's about equality without criticism. I want, but do not measure. I want and expect, but do not criticize. First rule of feminism is you don't criticize it. The consequences are this.   And like I said, these aren't hollow threats. They come for your children. And they come for your children in a variety of forms. Feminism wants the rights afforded to men, the privileges gifted to women, and the protection provided by children without the responsibilities of all three. Tell me where I'm wrong. Factor non-verbal. We want facts, not verbs, not words. So if feminism is about equality, why all the revolutionary imagery? Why the power fist? Why the fist? Why the revolutionary language? It's about equality. Doesn't that mean about peace and balance and harmony? Wouldn't the language and the imagery associated with that movement be more reflective of those things rather than this? And shouldn't I judge a movement not by what they say, equality, but what they do? Why is it that so many feminist movement and organizations are so ardently striving for the destruction of a patriarchal system that has made way for feminism? How is that possible? I mean, the joke is feminism has a daddy issue. And that's probably not a joke. What do we do with this? What do we call this? When the language doesn't match the facts, and it's beyond hypocrisy, they're selling you something. In many cases, it's a Trojan horse selling you something that's a guy's, but we're going to slip something in as you don't expect. And they're being very successful at it. It's very pervasive. This is an interesting quote by Camilla Padula. I find it fascinating to kind of quote this. What feminism calls patriarchy is simply civilization, an abstract system designed by men that augmented and now co-owned by women. Ladies, we've been into this together from the very beginning. We can't divorce ourselves from the involvement women have had throughout history and our relationships with men. You've gained a much greater voice and awareness. But with that, how has that been measured? What have been the determining results and effects? So let's go back to the criticism part, the two critics. Does feminism mean men well? How can you say feminism means men well when you attack, demean, want to destroy, disparage? When we're not even allowed to speak, how is it that the most empathetic sex has an inability to hear or to see from a man's perspective the issues we have? What's that telling us about these organizations, this philosophy and movement politically? How should I regard this as a man? Should I listen to feminism when they mean me ill, when they mean my son's ill, when they've turned on their fathers? Who listens to women like that? We all do. Women have a responsibility to police their own. Nobody wants to hear that, but you do. Because what happens when you don't? What are we talking about? It's simple, bigotry. How does that sound? When you allow this sort of behavior to be condoned, to be unaddressed, you are permitting bigotry. It's uncomfortable. Nobody wants to stop a bigot. Nobody wants to be the person to say no, or what the hell are you talking about? That's not right. But because this hasn't already occurred, we're in the situation we are in now. How do we stop this? How do we put an end to this? How do we rectify the situation? How do we make better if we cannot speak and talk? How do we do that if women do not hear what men have to say? Ladies, you need to speak up. Sisters, your brothers are in jeopardy. Wives, your husbands are in peril. I'm sorry, mothers. That's what you do get when you don't read your notes. Mothers, your sons are in peril. Wives, your husbands are being slandered. You have an obligation to speak up and to speak out. And the interesting thing is that feminism's greatest threat have not been men. It's been strong-willed, independent women who are confident and secure and virtuous enough to speak up against this trash. To say no, that's not right.    So let's tell you a fact as a venom. I'm not a Latin speaker, but it looks fancy. But the issue here is basic tenant and principle of toxicology. The dose makes the poison. So let's conjure up a poison, shall we? How much feminism can you take before you become toxic? Before feminism poison you to the point of illness and of despair? How many of the rights of men can you take on and not expect accountability for? How many privileges and gifts of women will you take without reciprocation? How much protection will you garner without being accountable to any three of those? What happens when we add a great deal of entitlement? Gotta add that to the witch's brew, right? Stir that in, bubble, bubble, toil, and trouble. And what do we do? It's not just what you put in. It's the things you pull out. What are we going to pull out? How about accountability? Pull accountability out? And here's the best one. How about any sense to your natural biological being? You being feminine, you having biological specialty, things that make women truly unique. We're going to scoop that up. We're going to put it on the side. That's not part of our dish. That's not our poison. And you're going to swallow that. So what do we get when you have all these privileges and rights and everything else and you have entitlement and we remove accountability and awareness to our biological nature? We get Tommy Lauren, right? And I'm using her as an example because she's troubled. She's hurting and she lashed out. She did so publicly. Here's a bright, beautiful woman who's terribly successful, thriving by all accounts, and simply is not getting it right. And she doesn't understand why. Interestingly enough, she had a support group. She even brings it up in the video, her mother. And her mother gives her actually decent advice. Maybe it's really not them, but maybe you or something. And it was dismissed immediately out of hand to the point that she brings it up back in her case. The other part, what I find truly fascinating about this is she doesn't understand her own biological sexual nature, her needs and desires, and actually transference. She's so used to living and being in a man's world, she's taken on male attributes. And those are hypogamy, a male's interest. Now the funny thing is she's trying to replicate what she finds valuable in men and thinks that if she exhibits those same traits, men will find her attractive. The problem is I don't want to sleep with another guy. I don't want to have sex with another man. You sit down and say, and even it's not just a gender orientation preference, the problem is she's marketing the wrong things to the wrong crowd. What men are looking for are exact traits she's not exhibiting. Femininity, she doesn't embrace that nature, but she embraces all the elements of being ambitious, social climbing, successful, wealthy, influential, powerful, and famous. Those are all things women are looking for, not men. So she's getting that wrong. Now the reality is, we really don't care about Tommy Warren.  How much feminism have you embraced? How much of this toxic stew that we just made have you subbed on?  And the danger here is we don't know how much poison we've absorbed until it's too late. Now the problem is there's a lot of these things. They don't come with warning labels. You'll hear guys like Anthony giving warnings and everything else, but we ignore that, right? Because they just mean it's harm, because you've been taught to believe that. But we don't necessarily listen to the critics that mean as well our mothers when they do give good advice. And that's challenging.  Now, I don't want to kind of conclude on it down or note. What I want to bring up is a little diddy. It was a really famous little song from 1985, 35 years ago. And I'm actually going to read it, because I'm a horrible singer. Now there was a time when they used to say that behind every great man, there had to be a great woman. But in these times of change, you know, that is no longer true. So we're coming out of the kitchen, because there's something we forgot to say to you. Here's the course. We say, sisters are doing it for themselves. They're standing on their own two feet and ringing their own bells. Sisters are doing it for themselves. Now this is a song to celebrate the conscious liberation of the female state. Mothers, daughters, and their daughters too. Woman to woman, we're singing with you. The inferior sex has a new exterior. We have doctors, lawyers, politicians too. Everybody, take a look around. Can you see? Can you see? Can you see? There's a woman right next to you. Now this is where it gets strange. This is where it changes the last course. I like to attribute this to Aretha Franklin, because she's co-sung and co-wrote this with the rhythmics. And it goes like this. Now we ain't making stories. We ain't laying plans. Because a man still loves a woman. And a woman still loves a man. Can you imagine those lyrics being written, let alone sung and received today? Ladies, in 35 years, you've come a long, long, long way. Something was missed. In those 35 intervening years, something terribly was missed. Something was bypassed and not looked at. And the problem is this. If women won't do this for themselves, if sisters will not do them for themselves, you are requiring and demanding that men do it for you. Do not let this misogynist quote that women promise and men deliver ring true when it comes to equality, particularly amongst the sexes. We started here. This is a guiding principle. We're meant for each other. So let's end here too. But I don't want to just end with a statement that the sexes are meant for each other. I want to show you our origin story. And this is a fascinating story. It's a tremendous story. It's not our creation. It's our origin story. It's when man became man. It's when we separated ourselves from the animals, when we became distinctly human, uniquely human. Do you know what triggered all this? Eve, a strong, independent woman, went to the tree of knowledge, which was forbidden. And from it plucked the fruit of knowledge, of self-awareness, and free will. She ate and consumed that. It was the knowledge of right and wrong, moral and immoral, good versus evil, and she consumed it. Eve was the original, strong, and independent woman. Remarkably, Adam chose her. Not just a woman, but that woman, Eve, the strong and independent one. And I find it farcical when feminists sit down and say, men are naturally afraid of strong, independent women. That has never been our history. It is not who we are. It's not where men and women thrive. Now, I'll take this a little bit further. I will say that Adam went so far as to defy the will of God to choose her. I find that utterly remarkable. A man willing to defy God to be with a woman. And that's our origin story. Now, ladies, I think we need to reverse this story. I think the time is now that women need to go back to the tree of knowledge, to consume the fruit, it bears, of self-awareness, of free will, the difference between right and wrong, good and evil. And I think you need to consume that fruit again. But this time, you do not have to defy God to do it, but you will have to defy feminism and the harpies that screech its ideology. But to do so, you will return us back to the point where the sexes are meant for each other. Ladies, please make women great again. Thank you. OK, cool. OK, if you have any questions we have a little bit of time, I'd be willing to field them. It can be informal. It doesn't have to be really bright intellectual. If you start quoting feminist authors, you're probably going to take me into deep water. Any questions? Human deviancy. I think that when we talk about it, I think the human conditions, there's a great dear of anomaly. And what we find is that when we look only at the outliers, we miss the mass. And so even with feminism, I think in most cases, women don't truly identify the political politics of what they see. They just take it because it's sloganism. And they want to go along and get along. But the problem is it's pervasive in that environment. But with transgenderism, I think there's a promotion for it now. It's coming more forward. They're moving the Oventon window forward on that. You'll see it. But historically, I think there's been a deviancy pattern within all that, within all mammals.  That's kind of, I hate to say it biologically, to be expected. But I think with the media and our awareness, we report and focus in on it. And we keep hitting the same things very much like Maxwell-Maltz where it's visioning. And when you keep having that out there, one, become desensitized to it. And two, there's a slow acceptance that it's no longer shocking. And therefore, if you don't respond to it early and fast, the roots grow. And I think that's what we're at today. Well, I'll just see the, if I could look up within sports, if you could take some. I think it's been more than compromised. You no longer will have female sports in time, because you physically can't compete. I think it was heinously criminal when you put a biological man who lived his entire life as male, had all the benefits of massive amounts of testosterone development, weight training, physicality, and then decides to self-identify as female and then go into combative sports to literally hammer women to the ground. I find that utterly repulsive. And this is something that they knew and condoned and enabled. But where are the feminists on that night? It's a weird how. Sex positivity, they're still accepting that. That they haven't thought that through and it's a consequence that hasn't, has yet to be resolved. But you will see that women's sports will probably either be, it'll be either recorrected or you'll lose female sports. You'll end up having the WNBA being nothing but transvestites, because of the performance level.  I think that actually opens up a great possibility if you're into drag sports. I'd love to see a bunch of drag queens playing basketball. I may actually go to that. As long as they're not kneeling, I think it might be kind of interesting as a novelty. I know when I was in DC, they had the DC drag race and it was amazing how fast Grunin could run and heels on a dress. I was utterly amazed. Yep, hold on. Oh, I'm sorry. Can we get up and bring the mic over? Can one of the guys pull the mic? I'm sorry. Is it on? Tap it. Push the button. My question was about Tommy Lahren, because I haven't been watching TV for three months. What's going on with her that prompted that section of your talk? I'd like to know the details. Of which one? Tommy Lahren. Oh, Tommy Lahren. She posted a YouTube video in which she was belaboring the sexual marketplace, how men aren't just men and how that she is young, pretty, successful. All her friends are young, pretty, successful. And every one of them are having problems with men. And she was completely bemoaning it. It goes on at length. It's really kind of cringe-worthy until you stop and you stop hearing what she's saying and listen to the subtext. And when you start listening to the subtext, this dude goes, how can I be so successful this young have all the entitled privileges of being this beautiful and viral and fertile and everything and I can't find a man of similar value as mine that will take me in and to be a wife. Now, this is the same woman who actually, incidentally, returns a $50,000 engagement ring. This is the same one. It's not the value of the ring that I actually have a problem with. What I have a problem with is the man actually went into debt, consumer debt, literally put it on a Mastercard or I think it was American Express. Okay, whatever the interest rates were, to give her the ring, she kind of demanded and knew she expected it.  You can't afford this. We can't afford this. This isn't one of our values. Please take this back. Love me, but do not do this. That was never a consideration. She wore that ring. She accepted that ring and that debt load. And so then she's questioning why that relationship didn't match. And I have no idea why they separated or the stories behind it. Honestly, I really don't particularly care. But what the issue is, is that this is an individual in the sexual marketplace that isn't being successful, doesn't understand why. And clearly, an interesting thing, she understands she's beautiful and young enough to be above the sex threshold. There's no brainer there. But she has not analyzed the system to realize that she's not compatible. She does not have the relationship skills. She does not have the relationship maintenance ability or relationship management ability to be above the relationship threshold. And it's scary that so many people don't quite understand it. It'd be nice if somebody actually kind of wrote a book about it. And it's not really complex. But if you're below the relationship threshold, you can't expect it. Much like guys who are particularly homily, out of weight, everything else will not be above the sex threshold, or won't be eligible for that. She doesn't realize that her social skills are such. Good men don't want anything to do with her.  But they won't have anything to do with her. And that's a plight we see over and over again. The worst case scenario is all this is technology. How do decent guys, and this is a conversation taking place next door, how do decent guys compete with not only social media, but how about social sexual media, like only fans? I work as an architect. One of my projects is at a small university. And we're having a small conversation. And they have no idea that I do this. I keep this private. And he was complaining that he was talking to, and this is an administrator for the school. And he was saying he just came out of a meeting with guidance counselors for the school talking about the opening on COVID, and how's that's going with COVID protocols. And they were aghast. They go, we're having problems. And he goes, what is it? I thought it was all health related. And they're going, no, the problem is that in the COVID environment, when everybody went remote, everyone's on social media. And most of the women that were going to the school realized that they have to pay bills, do everything else.  And they turn to only fans. And so it's a form of digital prostitution, revealing yourself sexually engaging. But the interesting thing is it also develops a connection where you can type and engage in conversations. Emails back and forth. And so all these girls had decided the amount of money they were making transcended the value of the degree they were going to pursue and get. And this wasn't a small number. In one particular case, every woman in the department had the account. Now, we can't make that public knowledge, right? I can't talk to that particular school. This is what's going on in that department. But I was made aware of it through personal contact and conversations. So how do I tell young men today, develop yourself appropriately, become a virtuous man in the face of that? When sex sells so readily, and that's a challenge. That is an incredible challenge. The problem is very much like in architecture. As an architect, I am not responsible for a single component of construction. There is not a single element in this building that an architect was responsible for building. As an architect, I'm solely responsible for the design intent. I want things to look this way. I want to have this pattern and those sort of things. And this is what I do in the mannisfur. I help men craft relationship structures and visions of those relationships. But it's up to them to build it. How do I have them do that when the quality of material in women that they will be engaged is so low, so sexual? Why would they? Why buy when you can rent? And in the Cardi B example, there's going to be millions exchanged. But was it worth it? Now, short-term, she wins out. Her family will gain. Her daughter will gain from that monetary exchange in that time period. But that's kind of a whore culture. But what happens overall? It's not that the price of women drop for bloater women. Oh, no, no, no. The insidious component is that the sexual marketplace and value of women dropped overall.  And it's not the price point that I'm concerned about. It's the fact that more mediocre men that would not qualify for that just came into reach. The market was lowered enough that they are going to have to look at, like Tommy Lawrence now complaining about, that she will have to settle for lesser quality men. And that is a feedback loop that gets uglier and uglier with every evolution of a term, because the men know it. And hypergamy, a woman's biological imperative, the things that drive women to the things that they select for men, are very similar to the male's hypogamous interest, where we're compatible and similar. Where they differ and where we differ, they become acute. Now, I believe that the sexes are not only complementary but compatible together, that we become great and thrive when she meets his sexual imperatives and needs, and he, in turn, meets hers. Not when one sex dominates the other. I think it's far more probable that men want to impress women than oppress women. New question? No, you're kind of in the background. I got bright light, so. Well, first of all, I want to say that the idea that men want to impress women more than oppress women is a really powerful thing to think about. And that kind of leads into my question of the red pill in the man's sphere is very focused. A lot of sections of the red pill in the man's sphere is very focused on trying to help women understand that we do need to police each other, which is legitimate. But the problem that I see is if women are going to change the laws, we would have to embrace feminism to do so. We would have to run for office. We would have to have those sort of careers in politics and business to have those sorts of powers to make that change and be that influential. So it's kind of a snake eating its own tail. I don't know if you can see what I'm saying. I do. OK. So we are kind of in, and you know I talk about this Catch-22 situation a lot. It is a Catch-22. We are either going to have to continue down the track of empowered career women in order to change the laws and police each other or fall back into that femininity and let the rest of them just go off a cliff. I think the order of things matter.  I think the same way in politics, that politics very much follows culture and not the other way around. I don't think politics leads culture. And so in that regard, I would sit down and focus on each and every one of you individually to shape culture and to speak up to literally, and I quite honestly mean this, to get together and talk to each other, form networks, and I believe, you know, we call it a tribe or what do you want to call it, you know, a sisterhood, that camaraderie of connection, of communication, banning ideas, and just an allegiance to know that you're not alone in this, okay, to voice up, to find that strength to speak up. I will say this, we've had four psychologists, registered licensed psychologists on the stage, and they've talked, and each and every one of them has put their license at risk to do so. A number of them have spoken very, very openly about the American Psychological Association publicly at the risk of their own license. The fifth, a female, has actually chose to retire rather than to continue her license. Now, she still, she does not practice, but she still is engaged in helping people in alternative and legal means. But to sit down and say, it's gotten to the point that an honorable, ethical, responsible, and moral individual has to sit down and turn in a professional license because of the toxicity of associated with men, boys does more harm than good, and she was not willing to stand by and let that happen. I find that stunning.  And the idea of turning that in to support myself and family because of a social issue that I'm not permitted to speak up against, there is something seriously wrong. And because of that, I have no shame in saying that woman is a hero of mine. Not because of her sex, but because of her integrity, her ethics, and what she did. It wasn't just words. It wasn't just snarky criticism of the profession. She did something about it. And the reality is, I don't know if I would have the personal courage or integrity to do the same when my time comes. But I will say this. I am here today and I don't know the consequences. That will be determined. So I am very serious. I do want you to find your voices. I do want you to speak up. I do want you to band together. Social media, talk, personal exchanges. Call it out for what it is. And it's interesting that when feminism is brought up as bigotry, there's a shock. Nobody wants to be a bigotry. And so ask the question, when has feminism supported boys? When has feminism championed husbands? When has it's enabled men and fathers? If it's about equality? You don't have to become an activist. But a good woman will stop and say something. And so I hope to give you the courage to do so. If you need the permission, I give you permission. And there's something to that. Many cases I give men permission to do things because they just fear taking that one little step further. And all they need is the acknowledgement of one other male that has a mentor to do that. And so if standing here today, I can do that, please speak up on everyone's behalf. I just have a comment you brought up Adam and Eve and how do we get back to what Eve was supposed to be? And Proverbs 31 is said to be the woman's proverb. She is a business woman. She is a strong woman. And her husband is known in the gates. Not for what he did, but because she talked about what a wonderful man he was. Ladies, you can do that right now, just by when your friends get together on a gab fest and you hear them running down their men. You say, oh, you need to hear about my husband. Guess what he did? I just celebrated my 49th, 49th wedding anniversary. Yesterday. And I am married to the most wonderful man who walked the face of this earth. He has loved me through bad and good and we've had both. 49 years, you don't just breeze through it. Marriage is work. And if you're not willing to work and to feel good about each other, I mean, we haven't fought, we've fought. We've had three children. One of them didn't turn out so good. Sometimes you have that. We have nine grandchildren, one of which belonged to the one that didn't turn out so good and we raised him. And he is turning in to be a remarkable young man. He's just passed his 22nd birthday. So that lets you know I'm an old girl. You can do it. It is not easy. We like to talk. Don't talk bad about your man to anybody. Not anybody. Thank you. Ladies, one last thing. I've always said that the value of coming to this convention is not found on the stage or the presentations you'll hear. It will be found in the hallways. It'll be found at breakfast, at lunch, at dinner when you talk amongst each other, when you talk amongst the speakers and you spend days doing that. Please take advantage of that. That's where the real value is. You have an opportunity before you. Absolutely seize it. Thank you very much. We can win this war. We can win this war. Okay, well, joining us from Orlando, Florida is the man in that clip, Anthony Dream Johnson, who says he wants to abolish feminism and make women great again. No, but it also says with the trademark, make women great again. Always great. Make women great again. They're going to do a three-day seminar for women led by all men. In man-splaining news, a three-day conference for women led by men hopes to make women great again. How the 22 convention will make you the greatest you ever. Raise your femininity by 500%. First of all, how is a man supposed to tell a woman how to be the ultimate woman? A woman needs to be taught how to be great again. Not my words. Like how to land a husband. How to lose weight.  Why do men think they need to fix the problems of women? Well, it says the world's ultimate event for women. Yeah, Orlando, Florida, that's going to be the scene of the crime. It's man-splaining platoosa. And say no to the toxic bullying feminist dogma. Taught by men to make women great again. Taking the stage now is the founder of the 22 convention. You're in for a treat, Mr. Anthony Dream Johnson. Anthony Dream Johnson. Anthony Dream Johnson. The first president of the man-o-sphere. It's run by all men, which promises to, quote, make women great again. This course is guaranteed to raise your femininity by 500%. Together, we will make women great again. Excuse me, I'm man-splaining here. 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Welcome to Sheboygan County Government, working for you. My name's Adam Payne, I'm the Sheboygan County Administrative Coordinator, and I'm pleased today to introduce our guest, Ann Wundergem, who is Director of the Health and Human Services Department. And today is going to be talking about the largest department in Sheboygan County Government. As you know, if you've been following these programs, we have 23 departments in Sheboygan County. And the Health and Human Services Department has about a $35 million budget. A lot of programs, a number of very important services. And again, Ann's our guest today to talk a little bit about that.  Okay, I prefer not to, but I will, Adam. I've been with the county in one capacity or another since 1978. Probably I'm the county employee with the most county titles. Started out working at the Comprehensive Healthcare Center as their volunteer coordinator and recreational therapist. Then was under contract with Sheboygan County Social Services Department doing program planning. Became a social work supervisor with the department in 1986. And then moved into division manager of social services in 1990. And most recently for the past year and a half have been serving in the capacity as director. Has it been a year and a half? Just about a year and a half. I'll be darned. I'll be darned. Well, it's been our, certainly our asset to have Ann working with us these years. Tell us a little bit about the mission of your department. Okay. Our mission is very short, so I'm going to expand on it a little bit. But we work to improve the quality and self-sufficiency for Sheboygan County residents. And what that really means to me is as we work through our programs and services that we provide to people, is we look at people's strengths, we look at family strengths, and we try to build on those strengths. If there's barriers in terms of what individuals or families are facing, we try to help the families identify natural supports to overcome those barriers. And if we can't find enough natural supports to work with the family to become self-sufficient or improve the quality of their life, then we actually step in and work with them as really a short-term basis as we can, so that they can work on their own, raise their children on their own, and basically live as independently in the community as possible. So, generally, you've just stated the mission or the primary role. Give our viewers a flavor for some of the divisions or areas of responsibility. As you said, Adam, we're the largest county department. We have five divisions, and I'll start with public health. Division of Public Health is responsible for communicable disease control. They also do school nursing. They have the Women Infant and Children program, which is called WIC, and that provides vouchers for certain food supplements for newborns and for pregnant women. We do all the immunizations that aren't done by private physicians, including chicken pox. And I think that's a key one, because many times people think chicken pox is wiped out. Well, it truly isn't. And chicken pox can be fatal, so we do that. Currently, we are doing flu shots for county employees, and we encourage everyone in the community to see their private physician or one of the community clinics for their flu shot. There's been two cases reported in Milwaukee, so we know it's out there. They also do lead screening and the Hotel Restaurant Inspection program in addition to numerous other duties and responsibilities. We have the Division of Social Services, and that is one of our largest divisions in terms of our staffing level. They have the responsibility for all child abuse neglect investigations, so any time anyone in the community reports child abuse neglect, we have a responsibility under state statute to take a look at investigating that and determining whether or not it's substantiated. In addition, we get referrals from law enforcement and from the schools in terms of juvenile justice. In that case, it may be a juvenile who was picked up for burglary. It could be something as simple as a truancy case, but under Chapter 938 of the state statutes, we have responsibility to take care of the juvenile justice cases, both the intake process and then ongoing services to that child and family when warranted. Economic Support W-2 is actually located out on Wilgus Avenue, which is in the job center, and they have responsibility for what used to be the aid for families with dependent children program, which is now W-2, more of an employment training program helping people get back into the workforce or starting out in the workforce. And they also determine eligibility for food stamps, which a lot of people are familiar with. People don't get the actual food stamps anymore. They get what's called a quest card. Looks like a debit card that they can run through when they're using their food stamps in terms of grocery shopping. Also determining eligibility for medical assistance and for child care funding. I understand that the job center, right now they're under some renovations. Absolutely. What's happening out there? The owner of the building is putting an addition on. Lakeshore Technical College needs some additional classroom space, so they're adding that on. And then there's going to be a new partner joining us, and we don't know the identity of that partner yet, so we're anxious to see who that will be. A partner from the state or private sector? It appears it's going to be the private sector, possibly one of the colleges. Might be locating some classroom space at the job center. Parking is at a premium, so anyone utilizing job center services needs to be aware that parking is a real challenge for everybody right now. It also means that our child care center, which is located in the job center, will be relocating to that new addition. So that'll be a real positive for the children that receive services there. Now you've mentioned three, I think we've got two to go. Three, we've got two to go, and I'll do it real quick for you. In the annex, which is the former Baxter building, we have located our division on aging, and Jim McCabe has been with that division probably for as long as I've been with the county also. Jim has responsibility for the congregate meal sites, and we have 10 of them located throughout Sheboygan County. They do some work with Meals on Wheels for home-delivered meals, and of course our contract with Handicare, our transportation service for the elderly and people with disabilities. They also have the National Caregiver Program, which is a new program. It works with people who may have sufficient income and are elderly, but are noticing that they need some type of maybe personal care, short services. We have a social worker that can work to assess what they need and then link them to the appropriate resources that they can actually pay for on their own. Definitely helps people stay in their home for a period of time. Also located in the annex is part of our division of community programs, and that's all our long-term support programs, and we've talked before, Adam, it's called our alphabet soup of cop, kip, and cop waiver and kip too. Those are all programs that the state funds and the county put some match dollars into to assist people who may have a mental health issue, have a developmental disability or a physical disability or elderly, that we can help them stay in their own home where they're financially eligible to have services funded by our department through those funding sources. Community programs also has some services located in our main building at 1011 North A Street. That is our outpatient clinic where we provide alcohol and other drug abuse and mental health assessment and counseling, both for individuals and families. And then we also run our programs for individuals who have what is called a severe and persistent mental illness where to keep them in the community we actually may work with them on socialization skills, how to shop, how to budget, monitoring their medication to really keep them as independently in the community as possible. Very good. I think that was five. Ann Kitted earlier that she didn't want to say along, she's been with the county, but as you can see, that experience is just tremendous for us because there are so many programs and so many services and such a breadth of services that you have a good handle on them and did an excellent job quickly summarizing them. How many employees do you have? 197, I checked with Amy this morning and we have a few vacancies that we're working on filling at this point in time. So if you followed just again the snapshot of programs that Ann just alluded to, how does someone actually access these services? How do you get help? Okay. It can vary, but we do have one main number and if you call that number, you could be directed based on the information that you provide and that number is 459-6400. If you know specifically that you're calling about abuse neglect, if you look in the phone book under health and human services, there are actually numbers identified for each of those major service areas that I did talk about. So you can just go to the white pages in that business section or even to the yellow pages and find that we are listed there if you're looking for help, if you're elderly, that type of thing. We also do walk-ins. So if someone, a good example is a family that's really struggling with someone that they believe has a mental illness, we have a centralized intake access person who happens to be retiring and we're replacing and she will meet with that family to talk about what are some of the alternatives. Do we need to look at filing a Chapter 51 petition in terms of getting that person some help? So we also do have walk-in services available at any three of the locations. What if, for example, someone's aware over the holiday is that there's an elderly person in their neighborhood that they wonder if someone's checked in with them recently or whether or not they're getting enough to eat or they're just concerned about their care? What would they do in that situation? Okay, you are talking, let's say, Christmas day or Christmas Eve, okay. We do have 24-hour a day, 7-day a week coverage. It's required under state statute, both for our mental health and our child abuse neglect and juvenile justice cases. What you would do then basically is contact law enforcement and law enforcement has the numbers that they can page the workers on call and we would have someone respond. What if it's not over the holiday? Say it's any other day of the year. Any other day of the year if you call 459-6400 because you don't want to look in the phone book to see exactly where to call, they would direct you to the right place. In the case scenario you just gave with an elderly person, what you would do is look under those elderly services and you would probably start with the division on aging and talk to someone there and they could make a decision if it needed to go to long-term support. The key is people have to take action. If they're worried about someone and want to reach out, they need to pick up the phone and contact you. Right. Very good. So you mentioned the different divisions, a snapshot of some of the programs, approximately. How many people does the department serve a year? This is always a good question. We do not have one information system. So I went through last year's annual report and based on what all the divisions reported, there would be 56,920. 56,920 people served. In one capacity or another. I'll be darned. Now, some of those could be duplicate people and I don't want to mislead you. Someone could be receiving services from the division on aging using their transportation service and also be reported to a meal site. So as I started to sort through it, I would say probably on an average annual basis, we're serving between 30 and 40,000 distinct individuals. I'll be darned. So it is a significant part of the Sheboygan County population. Would that include the, what is the annual picnic for seniors in Sheboygan Falls each year? I actually deleted that from my numbers because I didn't want to make them look larger than they were. And I did a little Excel spreadsheet because I knew I wouldn't remember. And just to give you an example, in aging when I looked at the congregate meals, the home delivered meals, telephone reassurance, taking out that summer picnic, it was 11,170. Now the highest number there was information and referral where we talked earlier, somebody picking up the phone and calling in was 7,520 calls that we took during that last time period. Now it could be Adam Payne calling up twice, once on behalf of maybe a grandparent and once on behalf of an aunt or uncle where you had concerns. So you could be two calls, one person. So that was a number of phone calls. When I look at public health, our average monthly WIC case load is 1,500. And a total there of 27,121. That included, of course, some of our educational programs that we do where we had over 3,000 people attend those educational programs. I know when I began here four years ago, I thought I had a pretty good handle on the breadth of programs and services provided by county government. But that's one of the values I think of this program, touching on each department every month. You just, until you're involved with getting some service or have family members or friends who are, it's just hard to even imagine just how many people are served and the opportunities that exist out there. While back, Vern Swaboda, when he was chair of the Health and Human Services Board and I rode the stagecoach one day just to get a flavor for it. And it was interesting to me because as the people started boarding as I was sitting on the bus, they didn't say anything to supervisor Swaboda, but they asked me what I was doing right on the bus because I wasn't old enough and I wasn't handicapped. And as we talked about it, it's not only that we were providing transportation from point A to B, it's the socialization and support that went on amongst people riding that particular day. So even just for myself, sometimes taking advantage and sitting down and talking to people that are actually benefiting from the service is very helpful. Now, speaking of a good service, last year your department initiated the Hotel and Restaurant Inspection Program. I think Dale Hippenstiel and his staff have led those efforts. And from all reports, it's been very successful. How's the program working? It is probably, I don't want to say one of our most successful, but it's one of our most visible programs, which is good. Bruce Kress, who is our lead for that program, really focuses on educating restaurant owners and people thinking about going into opening a new restaurant rather than sanctioning. They had over 600 contacts in the last time period because that program runs from July 1st through June 30th. Out of that, they identified 470 critical issues. Those are issues that have to be corrected probably within 24 to 48 hours in any given restaurant because it could have an impact on health or safety to the community. And then they identified about 1,500 non-critical issues which can be corrected over a course of time. They do temporary events. So when you have the Mung Festival, they're down there taking a look at that, broad days, those types of things. So Bruce and Dave are out doing that. Recently, we passed the, or the county board passed the body piercing tattooing ordinance. And Bruce and Dave are going to be starting that because the state did the license and we'll be looking at that starting in the new year in terms of really looking at controlling that business. Bruce has run a number of educational programs and in fact restaurants and temporary event people have asked for more of those. And we charge a nominal fee to cover our cost but doing the education up front with volunteers before they're doing a festival is very, very helpful. Bruce has also been helpful when we have had some foodborne outbreaks in terms of helping with that investigation and identifying the sources and that.  He was there to help respond to questions and there were instances where he had to be firm but it was really a good dialogue between him and the restaurant owners on what they can do to improve safety and food handling. Speaking of food handling in the holidays, do you have any suggestions for our viewers on some things they can do to make sure they're keeping things safe at the household? Absolutely. Because Adam, this week through the 14th is National Handwashing Week and I brought for you and I'm gonna leave a copy later that they can screen in. This is Henry Hand and Henry Hand has some tips for you on how you wash your hands. Wonderful. And I'm also gonna share this with you because I can't pronounce half the words on this page and I didn't have a public health nurse that could come with me but these are the types of germs that you can find on your hands and I'm just gonna hold that up and I don't know if you can focus in or not how clear it is but when I saw this it is just absolutely fascinating in terms of the types of germs that people carry on their hands and especially since we're in flu and cold season it's more important than ever that especially for children and adults that we wash our hands so you may also have that. My wife and I are constantly reminding our kids they need to wash their hands and as you said especially with children I think it's something that's good to remind them. So that's your first tip. Make sure you're out there washing your hands. And the other thing I have a question for you Adam. This is when I get nervous. When you're washing your hands the thing that you teach your children is how many versions of happy birthday do you sing to know that your hands are adequately clean? How many versions of happy birthday do you sing as you're washing your hands? How many times do you sing it? I can't say I've ever suggested they sing happy birthday while they're washing their hands but I would think if you did the happy birthday with the how old are you combined that might be sufficient. Twice. Twice. Twice will ensure for a child who knows happy birthday as they're washing their hands if they just sing they'll know that it's clean. Now they need soap and water to do that of course but yes. Now what about the teenagers out there? Can they sing something other than happy birthday? They probably can but I don't want to know what it is. But in terms of other food safety tips I was fortunate that Diane Marini one of our public health nurses who does communicable disease presented to the board and it's how you handle your food. In other words if you're preparing turkey and you're preparing shrimp you don't want to have those two foods mixed together when they're raw. So you have to really watch your surfaces that you're preparing food on not to mix the food. To keep your cold food cold and your hot food hot is really important. If you're entertaining a large group of people and you're going to prepare something ahead of time and a good example during the flood was people were making some people in Sheboygan College barbecue some call it sloppy joes. They call it a number of things hot tamales.  You're not going to cool it down fast enough at an equal temperature. So if you have a large amount of food divided into smaller containers so that when you're chilling it it chills appropriately and then you have to make sure when you're reheating it that it's heated all the way through at an equal temperature. So the keys are wash your hands don't mix your foods cold foods cold hot foods hot storage. And make sure the portions are small enough so they can cool down quickly. Absolutely. And the example I've from time to time you can see someone cutting up the turkey or the ham and then at the same time preparing the salad in a similar area that needs to be separate. All needs to be separate. Okay good tips. Well let's move on. Last year we discussed while you were here the anthrax scare that was out there and there were a lot of news reports about anthrax and recently in the news we've been hearing more about smallpox. In fact I heard a story on the radio this morning. What is the department doing to prepare for these types of threats? Well we're doing more than listening to the radio although sometimes I think that's where we get the most recent news. We have a health alert network which is called HON that we monitor daily in addition to the CDC out of Atlanta. So it's been very very helpful in trying to track the most recent proposals at the federal level and then also at the state level. A lot of bioterrorism dollars have come into the state of Wisconsin and as part of that effort counties had to form regional structures to begin looking at bioterrorism. We've joined with Fond du Lac County, Washington and Ozaki counties to form our region and Fond du Lac will be our fiscal agent for that region and they're currently in the process of now recruiting and hiring some staff to begin the bioterrorism planning. As I left the agency today we have been notified that they are at the federal level looking at voluntary vaccination for certain health care professionals. At the point in time the federal government would actually authorize that we will be prepared to identify those public health nurses who do not have At the county level? At the county level who would volunteer to be vaccinated with the smallpox vaccine and it is a live vaccine so there are some possible side effects to that. What that then allows should a case of smallpox occur those nurses who are vaccinated would then be able to vaccinate other people and that is the key. A question that often comes up is if I get my vaccine as I did growing up I won't need to be vaccinated and that is incorrect. Those vaccines will not protect you should there be an actual outbreak of smallpox. Good point, good point. I'm going to move through a couple of questions here because I think we have about five or seven minutes remaining and return back to the holidays and some of the functions and activities that are going to be going on. What are programs for example the divisions of aging and community programs what programs or services are they providing right now that are especially helpful or important over the holiday season? Right now aging along with the Sheboygan Press is running Share the Spirit and that is basically people who are elderly or have a disability who have some needs and don't really have family support and you'll see in the paper I'll use my name Anne Wundergem, 86 years old would like slippers and a gift certificate to a beauty shop and then people who are interested in the community can contact the division on aging and the phone number is listed right in there and either purchase those items and drop them off for that person or they can send money and we will purchase that on their behalf. We have been receiving generous donations within our department for all divisions and we have what's called a holiday room where our staff can go up there and whether it's an adult or a child we have gifts that our staff can then take on your behalf if you made a donation to families in need so that's been going on. So people of all ages there's an opportunity. Any other programs this time of year for example the cold seasons upon us heating bills and that can become an issue for people what do we do in that regard? We are running the energy assistance program we started taking applications back in October and we'll take those applications through May so anyone who is low income can contact the job center by phone and we'll actually mail them an application that they can then bring in so if they are eligible or feel they're low income and having problems with their heating bills they can feel free to contact us and we'll take a look at whether or not they're eligible for the energy assistance program. When you talk about some of the long term needs for the department because during the holiday people are more than generous and that's always nice because it is a good time of the year and it makes everybody feel good both the people that donate and the people that receive but we're always in need of foster parents so if anybody feels that they would be interested in that program opening their home up to a child and providing that care they can call that 459-6400 number. We also are in need of adult family home providers so we do have families that are willing to take in an adult who may have a developmental disability that adult with a developmental disability could be working at the rehabilitation center during the day but needs that structure of an adult family home so it's similar to a foster home. We also need volunteers to provide transportation to our children and families so they can call Pat Priggy also through that 459-6400 number and she can talk to them about what some of the volunteer activities are that they could partake in also. So whether it's making a donation for a child or volunteering time there are certainly a lot of opportunities where people can help not only this month but in the months ahead. In the future, right. Good. Well as we look to the future do you have any goals or objectives in mind some primary objectives that you'd like to see accomplished? Absolutely. Number one of course is the bioterrorism planning that we're involved in but as you know we have the Institute for Mental Disease Relocation Plan approved and we're hoping on February 1st or 2nd we'll be opening the drop-in center. It's been five years in the planning and we found a location and the funding has come through from the state. So our consumers are excited and of course we're also excited that that will be opening up in early February. Good. Well I want to thank Anne Wonder-Jim for being our guest today. She certainly provided a lot of very good information about the Health and Human Services Department and I hope that you'll take her up on her suggestion that if you want to help or you have you know people who need help that you'll contact that number. Next, at our next program Dan Lemon, you are County Board Chairman who is going to be resigning December 17th will be my guest. As you know we've been co-hosting this program for the last two-plus years and Chairman Lemon, you's going to be here to talk a little bit about some of his accomplishments some of his achievements and when I say his really the County Board and all of us as a team and also give us some thoughts about where he's headed for the future as a new state representative from this area. So thank you for joining us today and look forward to seeing you soon. And Adam from the Homespun Post for you and one for Dan even though he couldn't be here today and they're under the limit so you're okay. Very good, thank you. Thank you.