If you want to start the video streaming you press start broadcast You start it is what you do if you want to save big on car insurance you could a guy Daily Techno show not sponsored by guy Yeah, I mean as an as a former advertising writer it burns me up because I'm like that's such a lazy writing You know like it works though. I mean it doesn't I hate it. I you didn't even remember was for Geico No, you're right That's the big thing, you know, like I I'll see these commercials and I think about these You know, it's so funny now to think about it because it's like I think about these junior writers writing this stuff and I used to be a junior writer, but I think I thought when I was a junior writer I worked a little bit harder on my concepts and everyone thinks that No about you Yes, I thought you're saying everybody feels that they had When they were younger, oh, no, that's true. I'm sure they I'm sure everybody thinks that their concepts But halfway through saying it I was like, it's funny or if I'm like, no, everyone thinks that about you Such strong concepts his concepts were impeccable It's a wonder why he never went to BBDO. I just don't know why he never got picked up like Chris madman Yeah, so Darren, are you ready? Oh? Yeah, yeah, let's do this. All right. Let's roll man. It's already 430. Here we go Daily Tech news show is powered by its audience not outside organizations to find out more head to Daily Tech news show comm slash support This is the Daily Tech news for Friday, October 21st 2016. I'm Tom Merritt Back I wasn't here last Friday, but I am now Darren kitchen back. He wasn't here last Friday, but he is now How's it going Darren kitchen? It goes well I heard Shannon held down the fort and that we're all still here and that the internet is still ticking and that everything is running smoothly as it should be Actually, our main story today is about how there's a DNS DDoS happening and a lot of people can't get to Twitter and they're really mad. Oh Dang it. Thanks, Obama Yeah What are the presidential candidates gonna do if they can't snipe at each other over Twitter? Jokes about Russian hackers Len Peralta is here to illustrate the concept of a denial of service attack on a main name system intermediary bring it bring it I'm telling just I will take it on anything Yes coming off a big Indians win here in Cleveland We're enjoying the World Series are coming up next week and I'm ready to draw a DDoS attack Best of luck to the Cleveland spiders in their World Series appearance. I am my I am I'm a fan I'll be supporting you. I'm sure We are we are going to talk Darren's gonna explain to us what's going on with the denial of service tech against DNS And maybe a little bit about the differences between that on a on a website in particular and how this one sort of widely Impacts domain names, but let's start off with some top stories Microsoft announced it earned seventy six cents a share in Q3 on revenue of twenty two point three three billion dollars That's both on an adjusted basis analysts had only expected sixty eight cents a share So they smashed that and only revenue of twenty one point seven billion so they beat that as well It was mostly on cloud and office office commercial revenue rose five percent office consumer revenue rose eight percent The intelligent cloud is what they're calling the division with Azure jumped eight percent Azure itself Skyrocketed up a hundred sixteen percent year-over-year and server revenues up eleven percent Revenue from the the good old personal computing division did not do so well It fell two percent on the year, but don't blame the surface It was the phone revenue that plummeted seventy two percent surface revenue up thirty eight percent From six hundred seventy two million to nine hundred twenty six million. All right, miss mr. Microskeptic How do you make of these numbers? I'm so proud of them Hey, Microsoft, you should print out that earnings report and put it on the refrigerator Put it on the Microsoft fridge in Redmond, right the connected IOT Microsoft fridge you get into two scoops I say two scoops Microsoft I'm proud of you and you're living up to my expectations of what you should be doing which is you know building Consumer confidence and cloud infrastructure and all that other good stuff that's going to benefit mankind I'm serious. I'm wait for that other shoe to drop like that just sounds like you're you're pleased with Microsoft It's good. It's good for the entire industry when Microsoft does well Yeah And I think what's really interesting here is that a lot of people have been skeptical about the surface Microsoft has spun the numbers really hard But they generally have been improving and this time they improve significantly to the point that and I think this is going a Little too far. Some people are saying ah, it's the downfall of the iPad and the surface ascendant I think there's actually room for both. I think they have slightly different customers But it certainly does show that it wasn't a iPad dominated tablet industry there that someone can come in and make some Make some noise and Microsoft's doing it I'm on my first-ever surface right now and I'm just I'm loving the hardware and I'm loving seeing You know other companies like Google get into the hardware business and say like hey We make great software, you know, just like Microsoft like let's let's integrate our own thing and And I'm looking forward to the next one. So good on you Microsoft and the bad news for Microsoft here is something they expected I mean Sacha Nadella has been getting them out of the phone business Essentially, it doesn't mean they won't go back into it in some way But he has been extricating themselves from Windows phone and Nokia Acquisition and so this is not a surprise to see that kind of weighing them down But it didn't weigh them down so much that the company as a whole didn't do. Yeah I'd also say that we're still in the early infancy of the smartphone. It may seem like it's a You know a mature technology right now Just because of the speed of the growth But you know, it's a long game and Microsoft's been playing this game for the longest time and we've seen, you know They're good with flops. They're like, hey, you know Windows pen edition or whatever it was called Windows CE Pocket PC. Let's just just keep iterating. I mean Microsoft made the kin and So there you go. I Believe that they're just gonna stick with it They're gonna keep beating that drum and eventually they're gonna get it and then they're gonna get three scoops I Now that you say that it makes me think if I were Sacha Nadella, I would be doing exactly what he's doing Extricating them himself from a bloated Phone efforts at the same time telling researchers get ahead. It's going to be hard for Google to innovate It's gonna be hard for Apple to innovate It's gonna be hard for Huawei and ZTE and Xiaomi to innovate. Let's just jump ahead of them Scrap everything. Nothing. Nothing. There's no constraints anymore What would the next generation of a handheld smart device look like I'm not saying whether they'll do it or not But that that's what I'd be doing see Sasha. It's gonna be a rocky road, but at the end of it Rocky Road I scream when you make those those puns really do Facebook will launch an international ad campaign starting Sunday night in the UK and then International spreading worldwide to promote Facebook live while the service was launched with exclusive access for celebrities The ads will feature videos from average users The first phase will be 15 second ads all starting with the countdown used by Facebook live And then on Monday, November 7th the second phase will release showing how to go live In three easy steps that only will not only be video ads But also billboards and bus stops with step-by-step lists on them Yay, I you know as is the live novelty going to wear off here real soon It used to be such a difficult thing to get going and now it's just you kind of take it for granted because it's it's on every platform it feels like and Just you know wondering if there's gonna be some sort of consumer backlash to live I've already heard like you know my friends, you know gripe about like I'll stop it Facebook I don't care that some dude. I follow is live. Yeah, I played with it. I have in fact I do an almost weekly Facebook live stream Promoting what we're talking about on DTNS depending on the day. I'll do it on different days. I Honestly use it as more of a like minute to two minute long preview and then go away Maybe I always get Andy Beach. God bless Andy Beach He always jumps in there and and sees me going going live Maybe I'll get a handful of other people But I don't use it to stream the way most people do and I think that's I think that's what Facebook is betting on Is that they can take it from the novelty mere cat periscope world and make it a truly Regular phenomenon that they are the major platform for well I get it. I gotta say Facebook definitely gets two scoops over Google's one scoop because YouTube while had live first was just so convoluted with the RTMP servers and the edge points and the Wirecast and everything else and while Hangouts is grand and all I don't think of it the same way that I think of Facebook live and it's just so consumer friendly You know I have to give a shout out to our very own Sarah here at hack 5 who every week sings at the Ivy Room and Streams live on Facebook and it's a really intuitive system. I Have to say hi if it were me handing out the scoops I'm gonna scoop to periscope maybe two scoops to Facebook scoop to periscope. I might give Google kale Yeah, yeah, well, I mean if you've been to the cafeteria that there, you know You know my wife complains that they don't have the cafeteria at her location. She works for you, too Bloomberg reports senior executives at AT&T and Time Warner have been meeting to discuss business strategies One of those strategies would be merging the companies and the Wall Street Journal Shortly thereafter says its sources say the talks are in an advanced stage So much that a deal could come quickly even possibly this weekend, although I find that pretty unlikely AT&T owns Direct TV, but does not own a major content producer Direct TV produces a little bit of content But not like whereas Comcast owns NBC universal AT&T acquiring Time Warner would be along those lines Yeah, I'd love to see the Death Star just soaking up more and more, you know, they should get themselves a Municipal water utility. That'd be nice to throw that into the repertoire. I mean, what else can AT&T branch into? Here's my here's my do you want a silver lining to this? Yeah, because yeah, I look at it and I was like, I hate that they own Direct TV and an ISP and now they're Going to own HBO if the content company. Yeah, here's the silver lining. They get out of the ISP business This is their exit strategy and rising to do the same thing by going after Yahoo and AOL They're saying, you know where the money is it's in owning the people who make the things for the pipes not owning the pipes Well, they've been so afraid of dumb pipes This indicates that they're done trying to make the pipes not be dumb pipes Maybe they'll sell them off to people who are happy to just treat packets equally You would hope I would I you know I want to get on that train of optimism that you're on but I have a feeling that this is just a strategy to become more vertically integrated and you know wheeled the power of the packet to force their content down the consumer's throats that you know ungodly prices and Squash the competition because that's the you know when you get the shareholders. That's what you do So yeah, no scoops for you AT&T Sorry, sorry AT&T You'll be in the kale over there in the corner with Google I I do want to clarify to people who are because I see it in the chat room already time Warner is HBO Turner TBS CNN and and and and movies and formerly well, it is no no no It is not a or formerly no no no, but that's confusing because AOL is owned by Verizon, right? So the Time Warner we're talking about is just the TV and movie stuff the cable company Time Warner cable No longer exists. It was bought by Charter who has merged it with their cable enterprise and changed the name to Spectrum So we're not talking about AT&T buying Time Warner cable here But when AT&T and Time Warner merged that was I'm sorry. Whoa, that was like future me when AOL and Time Warner merged that was That was an ISP and and a content. Yeah creator getting together So this is you know, all this this the eternal this has happened again at all of it. Well, yeah, they unmerged though Right. So now does that mean AT&T and Time Warner would merge and then eventually split back apart I'm trying to remember if this is a clone or do I do a push or pull? And don't forget this Time Warner no longer has the publications So the the magazines that he used to own are now spun off as their own separate company I don't think that this is something that the FTC would allow to go forward a a an ISP to also be Caste was allowed to buy NBC Universal So it's just the hip thing to do that's a me-too move Like we need to get some content Verizon Verizon went AOL and Yahoo, they want digital properties Which in some ways is smarter, although I'm not sure the particular digital properties they're going after are the smartest but That's where they're going whereas What we saw Comcast do is buy a major studio. They had a lot more cash AT&T I have quite as much cash, but they've got a bit so they might be able to go after Time Warner But they're not gonna be able to go after it with cash. It's gonna have to be a stock swap It sounds like I do like the fact that it's content that seems like it's Resilient to the economy in this case where it's it doesn't it's these old school, you know I Don't know what's the term for these like old ISPs telcos that are just like oh, let's get let's get some of that content That new hip stuff. That's like evergreen. Yeah But it's your heritage company your old school company. Yeah. Yeah, I hear your grandfather's AT&T No, it's not it ain't Bob Bell. That's for sure All right, according to a Thursday court filing in the case against NSA contractor Thomas Martin the third He is a booze at ham Alan Hamilton contractor who worked with the NSA Investigators have seized 50 terabytes of data Some of which they say is national defense information now They're trying to imply that all 50 terabytes is but that is not actually stipulated Prosecutors said Martin would soon be charged with violations of the espionage act That is no joke the espionage act can carry the death penalty The new filing indicates that Martin took six bankers boxes full of paper documents marked secret or top secret dating from 1996 through 2016 New York Times reported Wednesday However, that investigators have yet to connect Martin to the shadow brokers dump of NSA exploits A lot of people jump to the conclusion that he must be one of the guys that leaked these exploits and investigators Are not able to connect those dots yet in a late Thursday evening court filing Martin's defense team asked for him to be released On bail saying there is no evidence he intended to betray his country. He doesn't own a passport He's got a wife and a house. He is not a flight risk. And of course the state saying he is a flight risk He needs to be kept behind bars And this is a really weird one because on the one hand I'm just like can't fathom the thumb drive he must have had and or cargo pants to walk out of the NSA with 50 terabytes Yeah, yeah, I either want the the the thumb drives that that they're not selling to us consumers Or I just want to see his pants 50 terabyte thumb drives in a bandolier on Halloween Yeah, you're Chewbacca. That's really you know what I want to see hard drive Chewbacca now somebody somebody listening at home Let's make that happen. Yeah, otherwise I think on the one hand he's touted as an encryption expert and and you know all of these things and at the other on The other hand it's like okay, dude You you like go home with all of this top-secret material and then you like leave some of it like in your car You know if you're really planning something Spooky and clandestine that just doesn't sound like something you do unless you're just not very good at this I don't know. I'm just I'm still trying to wrap my head around this Maybe he was just trying to work from home, you know telecommuting and the VPN access into the NSA is not so great These days. Yeah. Well, I knew Chewbacca points out it was over many years that he accumulated this which implies to me That he was trying to work from home That that doesn't absolve him though Like you can be starting this working from home and then look around one day and realize two things one I don't think what the company I work for is doing is just and I have a lot of information That could show that in other words, it doesn't have to be planned from the start It could be totally non nefarious why he gets this data home and then he might or might not Then decide to do something with that data that he shouldn't so far They're not able to prove that he has been doing that. Well, here's here's what I'm looking at this Snowden didn't take 50 terabytes Martin did The NSA has Martin the NSA doesn't have Snowden or Martin Be fair in for my life Literally with the espionage. I mean that is no joke He he he is under threat of his life if he has found guilty of this now getting found guilty of the espionage Act doesn't guarantee you get the death penalty, but it is certainly something to hold over his head Yeah, and today's climate. I'd be I'd be spooked out. Yeah, literally Speaking of spooky security things a privilege escalation vulnerability in the Linux kernel referred to a CVE 2016 5195 it's the 5195 that's worth remembering appears to be actively and maliciously exploited in the wild that has got a lot of researchers Attention, it's quite often that will will find kernel vulnerabilities or other vulnerabilities and all kinds of operating systems because Security researchers are looking for them and that's the way the system is supposed to work We find it we fix it and then it never gets exploited because we fixed it before somebody started taking advantage This is a kernel bug that they say they see evidence that people are taking advantage of the bug was patched earlier this week But existed going back nine years of Linux kernels So there are a lot of machines out there vulnerable to it and of course it goes without saying But we're gonna say it anyway administrators of Linux systems are strongly advised to patch those kernels as soon as possible Yeah, you know, this is a good thing This is just an example of of the industry working. That's why we have the CVE system. And so it's good I'm also considering moving to Windows 3.1 because there hasn't been a CVE for that You know, no vulnerabilities reported in quite a while security through obscurity That and I miss trumpet one sock. So no Anyway, get your distro updates. Yeah, I'm not trying to cause a panic here But it like I said, like, you know, and I totally agree with Darren This is this how the system is supposed to work But it is a little extra urgent when they're like, hey, not only did we find this but we're pretty sure someone's exploiting it out There so you you really like you should always fix these things fast But there's a little extra kick here to make you fix them. Mm-hmm. Yeah, just keep the mindset that it's not like a You know, you never empty the bucket in this case. It's always just like an ongoing battle. Yeah And you know, you don't have to like panic This is just a normal thing and you just roll with it, right? And it's like great squashed another one How many other zero days do we not even know exist? I don't know anywhere between zero and Infinity so and how many are being actively exploited? Who knows but you know, yes, you find them Yeah, you fix them and you move on that's your stuff Hey, thanks to all those who participate in our subreddit you can submit stories and vote on them at daily tech news show dot reddit dot com All right, let's talk about that denial of service attack here. Here's the timeline. Here's the news Basically at 7 10 a.m. Eastern a distributed denial of service attack was started against dine Dyn it's company. It's been around for a long time. They used to open they do an open DNS they used to do some free products now They basically provide services to big companies Twitter reddit Netflix, etc So when their denial of service attack started to happen It brought a lot of domain names offline because they couldn't do the redirect at 9 a.m. Eastern They resolved it at 12 o 4 p.m. Eastern a new denial of service attack against dine began now There's a lot of scuttlebutt around officials told Reuters the US Department of Homeland Security and the FBI are investigating Amazon reported a related outage early Friday afternoon and there's even some posts from Brian Krebs Talking about the fact that Doug Midori director of internet analysis at dine gave a presentation about a company called back connect Suggesting that maybe they were spoofing some internet addresses And of course the next day adidas happens against dine Krebs says hey I published an article based on research done with Doug Midori of dine about back connect and within hours Krebs on security was hit by an analysis attack. Those are coincidences But Krebs is saying this this is suspicious. You you know, I want to make people aware of this So without getting into whether that is true or not Let's backpedal a little for the people who are like that was word salad I don't understand. What is dns Darren? Can you explain domain name system to people? really simple phone book that your computer uses to figure out what the website Number is it's IP address because you can't remember 66.33 dot two ten dot one one one But you can remember Darren kitchen and so when your computer is like hey I want to go to Darren kitchen it checks this little server that typically your internet service provider Operates called a dns server and it says yo can I get the IP address of that so that it can find its way over to my awesome Website and see my sweet little antsy graphics And if it doesn't know the answer then it'll check the next one up and the next dns server up in the chain And if that one doesn't have it goes all the way to the root servers And there's 13 of these massive phone books of the internet and they all get disseminated and cached with the information down To the edges to us so that you know, we can just make these simple requests and say hey what's the IP address and For the majority of our simple websites We have one IP address like Darren kitchen has one IP address that one that I mentioned And it's not a very complex site and it's and I don't have many visitors So I don't have to worry about things like load balancing and round robin and all of these other techniques that are used when you are a a giant website like Spotify or github or Twitter Those guys have way more than just one server hosting up their stuff and so they end up having to go with a you know with a DNS provider that offers ways of load balancing and other really cool intelligent techniques of Managing DNS requests so that you know when they're being hit from you know When requests are coming in from all over the world that they can manage those and most effectively get them to the servers That are closest to them or have the right information or aren't getting bogged down Okay, so let's let's let's let me let me try to to sum up for people for just a second So you've got I want to go to Twitter comm There's a box somewhere that says hey you're saying you want to go to Twitter comm well It says here in my little file that that's you know 62 dot 103 dot 58 dot 7 So let me just send you on your way because now we know what computer you're after and then if you're Twitter comm You don't just have one number Because you have so many people come into Twitter comm You've got loads of numbers and you may change them all the time and they may be they may change depending on what region the request is coming in Is that roughly sum up what yeah, that sums up. It's called load balancing So what is a distributed denial of service attack then sure?  I'm not even sure now So anyway that would be a distributed denial of service attack if you just got too many pokes to you to be able to respond To them all yeah, so the server is trying or servers even in Twitter's case are trying to to answer the questions But it can't because there's just too many questions coming in Why is it distributed though? So the idea is if I was just one lone hacker in my basement And I was you know doing a denial of service attack on you all of that all of my questions would be coming from me from my one IP address and So for you to just be like wow, there's this really annoying guy that keeps poking me You just block me at the firewall and be like cool all your packets on the floor, and then that would be that would be it so a distributed denial of service attack would be if I were say a Botnet master and I had loads of machines all over the internet these zombies that I command and I could have them all Poke you and now suddenly you're being hit from every angle and it makes it a lot harder to tell You know what's legitimate. What's not and then the shut it all down So what does a company like Dine do and I know this this goes back to when we were talking about hey If you're Twitter you need lots of different servers and lost the different numbers. Yeah, that's essentially what they do is you know there's a lot of different DNS providers out there and You know the simple ones will literally just you know They run a name server where if you look up the a record for this IP address It'll give you back or the a record for this this website this DNS name like Like internet spirit guide calm it'll give you back the the IP address But if you're a big company you're gonna have multiple servers and you're gonna need load balancing And you're gonna need a lot more complexity and so you end up going with a big company like dy n or dine and there's many of these companies out there that offer these services and Typically the way that it's actually built the way the DNS is built is because back in the day of the Internet I mean it was you know somebody lets some server somewhere go down and then suddenly half the eastern seaboard can't connect anything So there was redundancy put in place typically you have more than one name server You'll have like ns one dot whatever and ns two dot whatever And so you'll actually have like lots of redundancy in there giving you that ability to distribute your Your your DNS solution so that when you know people try to get your IP address to like go here and ask this one server And if it doesn't get a response and it'll just go to the next one and go to the next one What happens though is for these really big websites They end up kind of getting locked into a single vendor because that vendor offers them such a complex solution And it's not really viable for them to go to multiple providers to get all of those different things So you may hit you know, it might be ns one dot dine DNS and it's like oh overloaded so it'll go to the next one ns two Dot oh dine DNS you see where this is going and s3. Uh dang it dine DNS And so if those if there was a more effective way to Distribute the load then this probably wouldn't have been an issue But it's a difficult problem for engineers to solve and so you kind of end up just going with one vendor and hoping for the best So dine came in to these companies and said look it's really complex to manage all of these IP addresses and all your servers and load balance Everything will do that for you and what this denial of service attack did was say hey, guess what all These companies are hosted on dine if we just denial deny service to dine Then you'd have to know the IP address to get to these these domain names Or maybe some of them are also hosted somewhere else, but it's certainly going to slow them down Why would you do that though? Is it for the lulls or is it you're wanting to get one of these sites down and you just don't care that the others go down? I mean what what what are some of the reasons someone would D-DOS a DNS provider like that? Well, the typical reason for like a D-DOS and we've talked about this on the show before is usually there's like some sort of Extortion ploy where it's like oh great. I'm gonna use this technique You know using this D-DOS to take down your website not necessarily your DNS But your actual the server is running your website and then I'll shake you down for some money and say hey that hurt didn't it? Well pay us some money, and we won't do it again, and you'll get some protection You know it'd be be a shame if something happened to your sweet little web server over there so this on the other hand is like an attack not on the actual servers of Twitter or Spotify or github but rather on the phone book that they all happen to share and so I Can't really speculate on what the motivation behind this is because we haven't seen any sort of extortion or anything like that come out I mean, you know one would say hackers gonna hack I mean it could literally be for the lulls it could be a test run of a botnet to see how effective it is Either way it has definitely made a Destruction and and this is a good thing because it has people thinking about wait a second the internet that fragile that like you take down one Service provider and suddenly we can't get to Twitter or github. It's not that Twitter or github's websites went down They're up. You just don't know the IP address of them anymore Yeah, and and I think the other thing to keep in mind is the capability to send enough traffic to bring down Dine is a lot. It is. I mean, this is not a company that only has you know, hundred megabit per second connections They they are built to withstand denial of service tech This isn't the first denial of service tech dines been under but they know how to mitigate them This is just the biggest one they've ever been under and that's why it's starting to overwhelm their defense mechanisms I we don't know this for sure, but certainly one of the things that gives Denial of service attacks more bandwidth is the proliferation of Devices and we talked about you know the internet of things particularly and webcams and DVRs and routers and everything getting in Getting infected with bots that can then conduct these sort of attacks Right and so for every additional node on the internet for every new device that has smarts and can connect to it That's one more device that can be potentially compromised and turned into a zombie in a box net and When it comes to internet of things you have massive proliferation of devices that are entering the network that may not necessarily have security as the first as the first order and May not necessarily get updates when security vulnerabilities are found We've talked about it numerous times before about internet of things devices sharing, you know the same route password or the same Private keys and things of that nature and these discoveries being found But you don't see vendors being quick to react to that And even if they were to be quick to react to that and come out with firmware updates or whatever it takes to secure these and lock Them down. It's still falling on consumers to actually go and update them when nobody's doing that So, you know why why is Twitter down? I don't know a lot of doorbells are ringing and sending packets from all over the world So, yeah, it's a fun. It's a fun problem And you know, I think one of the things that's not being mentioned here that really needs to get looked at is the fact that this emphasizes the the unfortunate Centralization of the internet that we're living in right now and while okay great. Yeah, it's the DNS We've got 13 root servers and then a bajillion other DNS servers, right? It's still really fragile when you compare it to some of the newer technologies like the blockchain Namecoin for example is a Bitcoin blockchain technology using service that provides a Profides DNS like stuff and and their own tld dot bit and That's I'm not saying the perfect solution But I'm saying that that is if the whole world were running on that We wouldn't be having this problem today because we wouldn't have to go Upstream to a DNS server to find out the IP address of something because it would literally already be on our hard drive We would have it on our computer. We would already know So, yeah, there's there's I think that a more Distributed DNS system should be the way to go forward. Yeah a distributed assurance of service Oh, oh, I like what you did there Yeah, I and I think that's kind of what you want to take out of this is we need to Decentralize the DNS more as well as many other things as Darren pointed out and we need to secure our devices especially our small devices and sensors and Internet of Things devices that's that's the lesson of today that I believe the internet should Learn if they were going to learn if the internet was going to learn anything. Yeah, this won't be the last major No, you'd ask that we see But it's a fun one and hopefully it'll get people talking about hey, let's why don't we implement some distributed technologies to solve this All right, let's get to three messages of the day first from Jason who has a company that makes solar power for drones They can extend battery power all day long He writes in response to our discussion of hydrogen fuel cells last week We see the next markets to enter be wearables and Internet of Things Because charging hurts customer stickiness and allow devices to be really disconnected We can't really keep up entirely with a smartphone But we see a large value add in the wearable space being able to maintain charge on lower power draw devices with just a half an hour Outside or Internet of Things devices indefinitely on indoor light Hey, that's some really exciting technology and the reason that I'm most interested in it is because of you know if you've seen No, I don't even remember the name of the movie now Sandra Bullock But the Kessler syndrome if you're familiar with that the idea that when all eventually all of the satellites in our orbit End up smashing into each other and just creating this nasty cloud of dust Orbiting the earth preventing us from leaving this rock We'll also prevent us from having awesome satellites for GPS and in television and things of that nature And it will it it could potentially lead to a future where it's atmospheric satellites aka drones flying around autonomously at 60,000 feet That will be the new satellites and that's the kind of stuff that needs that solar charging technology Joe the other pilot he wants me to call him the other pilot because he he is stunned at how many pilots are actually in the audience He's like I'm not the only pilot The basketball thing that he's talking about the NBA broadcasting in VR holds no interest for me But if you can get the NFL in VR and I could pick my Patriots in-house announcers the wife And I would save up for that we have a kid and the wife loves the Seahawks So this would work for my family as NFC division plays the AFC division on a once every four-year rotation And only once a year minus the Super Bowl we'd be in good shape go Pat's Roger Goodell and Indy and their deflate gatecraft and kiss our four rings. I'd say more but I'd be going on for pages. I Don't know. Yeah, it's it's a bright new future when it comes to to VR. Wow, and then finally We got an email that said during the discussion of Google's cold line announcement Tom said he really wanted the system to function the way Patrick imagined it with robots fetching the tapes We were joking around and Patrick is like what do robots and go go and get the tape out of cold storage for you When it's time for you to to view your cold storage data Well, this writer wanted to pass on that a system like that exists or rather it did back in the days of videotape playback He says I work at a station that used to have a massive machine made by Sony called the LMS library management system the machine had a stack of eight Beta cam machines on the left and then stacks and stacks of tape slots to the right each tape had a commercial or a show on it You'd check tapes in put a barcode on the back And when that show or commercial was needed a robotic arm would zip over grab the tape then zip back to a deck and load it in It would do this over and over during a commercial break It was awesome to watch it fly around especially when it occasionally dropped a tape He sent us a picture of the LMS. We'll have in the show notes And he says they varied in size based on storage maxed out at 1024 tapes Yeah, this is good stuff And I do believe that this is what we saw in the the beginnings of the 1995 movie hackers So if you want to see a fun demonstration of of that technology, it's cool Thank you Don Poteeto who sent us that email and and the picture like I said that we'll have in the show notes And that is it for this show before we get to lens art Darren kitchen Thank you very much good to have you back if you want to learn more about the kinds of things that can be hacked You want to go to hack 5.org HAK 5.org anything in particular let folks know about this week. Oh, yeah Yeah, so our good friend snubs got herself Certified and so now she's a hamtech and Shannon Morse will teach you on this week's episode of hack 5 how to decode Morse code. Oh I've been waiting for 10 years for this and we've all been waiting for KM 6 FPP, I mean Shannon Morse to to show us how to use some Linux tools to both in code and decode Morse code Shannon decodes Morse Right, I mean, yeah, I mean if her middle name or two, I think we'd all just fall over and die All right, Mr. Len Peralta. What did you make of our discussion today? Yes, you know at the beginning of the show I said bring it on I can draw DDoS and you know since we're so close to Halloween I thought I would do something that is a horror show for most people and losing it and I think it's very very scary So this is this year's kind of Halloween, you know, maybe one of a few Halloween little illustrations You know did you DDoS this big hole? I mean Droom has a little Pac-Man, but my favorite thing about this entire thing Which is it's called the day the internet was eaten, which is sort of a you know kind of a Overstatement. There's this little thing here. We're talking about dying little reddit guy saying, oh We're dying I know that's not exactly the same, you know, I know dying is a company I just thought the little reddit guy saying oh, we're dying I love the the monster DDoS eating the East Coast and a little subtle reference there because the dine servers are on the East Coast Well done. Yeah, you got Spotify. You got Twitter in there folks You have to get this the day the internet was eaten memorialized Memorialized yes 10 21 16 the day the internet was eating now available in my online store as well as the DTNS superfan poster. I just want to mention that again You can be drawn in to the poster for this year. You can get customized and And I've done a couple so far. They're turned out not really really cool and So just consider it. It's a cool thing till the end of the year You can get it customized then anybody the order is the non customized version gets put into a big Pool of people who can be chosen as the representative superfan So you want to get in there? I know you could be on lens annual DTNS poster and and all you have to do is first of all Go to Len Peralta store.com to get yourself a copy of the day the internet was eaten And then pick up the DTNS poster and you might be on the poster So it's there's really not a single reason you shouldn't go to Len Peralta store. Well, there was a reason earlier Which is that Len Peralta store like hackfives hack shop is on Shopify, which was right by the dine DNS issue Reason to want to get that poster that's right fight fight back fight back All right, big thanks to everybody who supports this show directly It's the only way that we support the show is your your direct support at daily tech news show com slash support The main way is patreon patreon.com slash DTNS big welcome to our newest patron Prasanna Pereira Welcome into the fold all of you other patrons Please just give Prasanna a big welcome and big thanks to Jason Byers and Bill Nobles who just raised their pledges to a new Reward tier so they'll be getting some new rewards. 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Yeah, it's really good. That's really good It stops on a dine. That's really good Yeah Read some more of your favorites Roger, but I'm pretty sure we're gonna go with the internet stops on a dime The day the internet was poked to death The Dine amic DDoS nice.  Oh my god. I love Distributed trustworthy name service nice dine aisle of service So you're a good company with these puns Len. Yeah. Yeah, I think that was I should have been checking show bot here Oh, man. Yeah, you know what? I actually want to see a distributed trustworthy name service But I don't want like and could you imagine that like catches on and then everyone knows like oh, yeah DTNS the thing that save the internet and then we're all here like guys, but we But the thing that we took our thing and the say has another snow day.  He's not gonna get killed Actually to be honest it's better to go to jail and a federal prison than it is a state prison Oh, yeah, I mean it'll be kush, but still You know what? Hey, man Peter Gabriel wrote a song about it Trying to work from home because he could because like somebody in the cube next to him is like playing death metal all day Maybe you should have read the fine print of his job contract Wasn't yeah, I got contacted by Booz Allen Hamilton Hamilton one time to to participate in a forum The online forum that was freaked out because I'm like you guys are contractors with like spooks. Yeah They're not spooks for the interstate and love those guys. They have the shiniest shoes Love you can see you in them. Yes. Yes. Oh You know you hang on I didn't I didn't get a chance to say this on the show but Regarding the DDoS. All I gotta say is they call me Twitter. They call me Spotify. They call me get hub That's not my name server. That's not my name server Server, they call me play station. They call me red. They call me sound cloud. That's not my name server Wow a ting ting's reference Is it though it's never too late further the tongues do they have Yeah, exactly yeah that one So I take it we're all we've all motioned on the internet stops on the dine I'm good with that. Yep. Yeah Dining out diners I'm also buying. I am buying the day the internet was eaten right now It's the day to remember by the way speaking of Edward Snowden, did you know there was a Peter Gabriel wrote a song. That's the NSA. That's him easy. I'm out of it a second Peter Gabriel wrote a song about him for the Snowden movie. Oh, no, I didn't realize that. Yeah, it's called the veil It's it's on Spotify. It's actually a pretty good If you're on the East Coast you can but Yeah, it's actually a really good tune It's it's called the veil and I listen to it. I'm like I think this is about Edward Snowden It's pretty obvious that it's about Edward Snowden, but it's a good tune and it's you know So I don't know how many guys can say that they have a song written about them by Peter Gabriel. Yeah, no kidding Hey, I just ordered us. Let's a when will I get it? You will get it Next week. Do you see my order? Did it come up? Why are you sitting here talking? Should you be packing my order? Oh, yeah, sorry. Hang on. Hang on. Sarah in the hack shop is watching right now and she feels that pain Oh, I know she's like that's not that ain't funny Tom. It's not funny. Where's my order Tom? You know what? I was actually playing around with the idea because I'm gonna put this comic up on my store And I was looking for a way to do digital downloads I was actually looking at a way to add a digital download option to Idea for that. Yeah. Yes, that's a little instant gratification. Mm-hmm. Yes. Yes I was thinking of doing that Pushing the actual physical print up a little bit and then keeping the digital at 10. So So we'll see how that goes. I want to try it on something else first before I do it. I might actually be keen on I'm sitting next to a gorgeous super B Epson printer. So Yeah, I might be a good guinea pig for that. Yeah. Yeah, you know, I didn't realize they could do that I just found that out recently that they could do that So it's definitely something that I want to consider especially this is sort of like oh, I like it Just going you can download and to have it Well, and we've been talking about doing some kind of giveaway for digital prints And that would be a good reason to start that to put out it And then the other thing to do is you use those as a loss leader You give out a coupon code to get that product for free and you get the instant gratification And then they're also there going like oh check out all these other DTS. Yeah. No, that's where we do it Like on patreon we could once it once a month. We'll take one of Glenn's digital prints and give them to folks on patreon probably at like the five dollar level and then Say like hey, here are the other ones this month if you want to get those mm-hmm They're available at Lens Store sure sure and you can also become a patron of my store too and get them There's always you can always yeah, you can get them direct by just directly backing Yeah, but I do like that idea that I now have the ability to just upload these right after the show and then you can just Get it right there. Yeah, I could literally be printing it out in the post show You could you have it on your wall by the end That's pretty amazing really That really is crazy. So yeah, I might I might actually try that with the next one What I want though is the service where you get the premium delivery where Len shows up in his high school jean jackets Delivers it I saw you like the jean jacket thing. That was I showed up on the show just for the jean jacket It was funny I I found it like because my little son was looking for his jacket I'm like, hey, look, this is my old jean jacket. So I put it on like hey It still fits. This is pretty cool. So I took a picture. It looks good The denim the Canadian tuxedo is making a return. Yeah, it's not unfashionable anymore. Yeah, what the jean jacket the Canadian tuxedo What is a Canadian tuxedo? When you Used to be more than that it actually was also like a denim Yeah, I was wearing a chambray shirt and denim and people are like that's pretty Canadian tuxedo Tom But now apparently that's okay again, but don't you need like a like a Tennessee water You need to wear a Tennessee water apparently the The whole tuxedo thing started with being Crosby I really just wish right now that I would turn be able to turn my head and just show you this huge mullet that had been hiding behind me No, you know what would actually be really funny is if you had a man bun Like you never really turn your hair. Oh, right, right. I just have That should be the end of every daily tech news show is Tom reaches back And then goes like this and like his hair sort of flows like it like Fabio It's not that far off from from the 1980 I'm sorry that yeah the 88 election Is it the 88 election 92 election the 92 election? I anchored for channel To in champagne Urbana, and I had a ponytail at the time But but in this in the straight-on shot and you could find this I think on my vimeo.com channel in the straight-on shot I just look like you know the hair is kind of pulled back and then they'd go to the side shot You'd see like the ponytail. Yeah 92 92 I don't have anything that the oldest picture I have of Tom and his locks is from 99 2000 when did you start that tech TV way back when? Yeah, 99. Can I can I show that picture or do you want to have it right there? I mean, yeah I don't mind if you show it. I mean, that's what we call a producer Tom. Yeah What's not video it's just a shot of Tom with his hair Oh Yeah, that picture. Yeah, that picture there. Oh, look at that. That's not so bad. No That's no, that's not ponytail picture. No, but that's you had pretty you had pretty long locks back then Yeah, bang relative to now It's a lot sure you you're like Not crooked. What do you call it? I cut my own hair back then I would say I think when I admit that it basically opens me up to you saying whatever you want Like did you stand in the mirror and yeah? Yeah Financial thing or was it yeah? It was a financial thing and this is like right when I started So I finally was making like legitimate money where I could pay someone to cut my hair, but I hadn't yet so I almost I was I always Thought about getting it was it a flow be the one that cuts your hair But everyone says it's bad because it just actually gets tangled up in your hair and pulls on it Thank you beat master says there should be a law that you cannot be prosecuted for your hairstyles older than You're not being prosecuted for anything you're being harangued Mmm. I just got my haircut this week. I actually we finally found a haircut that works So I'm happy with a haircut that works for America.  Do you have a link on that Lynn writes in the chat room? Donald Glover is going to be young Lando in the Han Solo movie Yes, I see that in the on Facebook Sources say or like studio announcement. No, it's from Star Wars.com. Nice Donald Glover cast as young Lando cowries, you know coming on solo. Thank you Lynn. Yeah, she's got the Trust that fanfic site Yeah, I suppose it was at Star Wars.com Wanted on that domain, right? Fanfic There it is Danny Glover now. That's that would be cool I said when this rumor first came out on current gig I said Danny Glover instead of Donald because some very embarrassing confusion Donald Glover cast as young On solo I hope he act I hope he acts like like Troy. I hope he acts like Billy Dee Williams Oh, yeah, that's why we do Williams beats Troy He's it's gonna be a mixture of of Troy and Billy Dee Williams What happened to old landow he's not playing Martin Landau. Yeah, not Landau Landau is well that guy passed away Martin Landau, what a strange casting for that Donald the Danny Glover to play Martin Landau I really want to see Martin Landau Calrissian now Man now I want to draw that He can be it could be the Martin Landau from from Ed Wood They could totally do like a Campaign with like a car manufacturer, you know what a Landau top is right on a on the old 70s early 80s Detroit Landau top So basically it was a final cover for the roof of the car to make it look like it was a convertible But it wasn't okay. Yeah, and so you could do you kind of a Landau top haircuts too And so you could kind of do all these things related to that with the words Landau Landau I'm going to I'm gonna I'm gonna draw Martin Landau Calrissian this weekend. Please do Yeah, I'll put it on Instagram. It'll be my it'll be my one of my ink tovers. Yeah It'll be part of a series that last 20 years. It was a Martin Landau and There's any in the launderer or no, I'm thinking. No, no, I know Martin Landau wasn't in that he was in Mission Impossible And I know he did he did another Wait that's TV if only we had an internet movie database where we could hold on Looking I'm looking Spider-man, I got there. They're carrying it. It went from Steve Martin Landau Calrissian to Rick Steve's Martin Landau Calrissian Steve Martin Landau Steve Martin Steve Martin Landau Calrissian So he's got he's he's got the he's dressed up at Glando, but it's a Martin Landau's head And he has an arrow through his head. Yeah Steve Martin Landau Calrissian Right now That's really cool responsibility of the internet Len. Oh, that's so funny Rule 34 coming on yeah big time Steve Martin, I know exactly what it's gonna look like to it's gonna be beautiful. It's gonna be a thing of beauty Thank you everybody in the chat room Referring something earlier here is what the original Kind of denim tuxedo look like nice that's Leave Levi's actually made a tuxedo jacket for being Crosby because they the hotel He was checking into wouldn't let them in because he wasn't dressed high-class enough Ah, so they they made one and this this riveting right here is made from the Levi's Rivet in the middle and then the Levi's tag arranged in the little but wait a minute So that that sounds like a BS story because if you're at a hotel and they won't let you check in because you're not dressed well Enough you don't have time for Levi's to go design and create a suit for you Well, no, I mean they eventually let him in but he was a little after that story got out They made one. Yes, exactly.  I hated that show a little space 99 1999 So are you on the show next week there? I do not believe so You should wear your jean jacket next week. I have you down if not Yeah, and then you have me down Sure, this is not an endorsement But it did just learn of the the Canadian tuxedo.com which has a fine selection of denim bow ties and other ties I don't have a jean jacket anymore. Maybe I need to reacquire one Mmm. Yes, you should is that what we're all going for for Halloween? Yes Yes, it's gonna be 1990 1992 us big Crosby Am I Canadian tuxedo? Have you seen my Tennessee waterfall? Man, okay, like big Crosby. That's that's a name some people are like who's that? A dear friend of mine who who shall remain nameless, but does the show on Mondays Was taking a sequel course recently and The teacher used REM as an example for something and One guy was like I am who's that and the teacher was like oh is a band, you know shiny happy people losing my religion Guys like no, so the person unnamed who hosts on Mondays turned to the person next to her that she was partnered with goes You know who REM is don't you and the partner said? no Yeah, ouch Wow, and then she knew she was old Millennials get you with the not knowing your references. Oh, I mean not no REM I mean obviously it's a remark It's used to make a comment so that the compiler doesn't execute Oh, I'm sure that must be what they were that must be what they were going over at the time.  Yeah, and they're like that. What's REM? Michael Stipe. I Am Superman Life's rich pageants Secret about it. She posted it on Twitter. That's why that's why I'm being funny and not saying Veronica's name Oh Bag here's a little REM. This is why that kind of stings for me. I used to in college. I did an REM marathon Well played 18 hours of REM straight Well, I had to I had to replay their I played their entire back This was 1991 1990 so I played their entire album that I had some live stuff I played some interviews and then I played and then for the last couple hours I was all just requests anything you wanted to hear so what was the what was the album that losing my religion was on? That is um, oh my gosh It was a call losing my religion. No, I just I just want to go to a sound club Time out of time out of time I I broadcast live from the out-of-time release at Record at record bar REM isn't on Spotify, huh? They are but well, it was funny is like this that was what 90 that was 90 91 yeah And I remember we were making a big deal out of the people who were buying the vinyl instead of the CDs I'm like how retro they being yeah, you won't have those very much longer. I had REM on a Cassette tape I bought reckoning on cassette tape. I used to listen to that in my little Chevy Nova Little oh wait, were you driving the old Chevy? No, not the old now I was a little it was the new Chevy no from the 80s 85 Chevy Nova. Yes Uh REM is one of those bands that really when you at least when I listened to it all I think is college radio Yeah, very much you can't listen to it and not think oh this was like especially the early like the first two or three albums I used I love them. It was an acquired taste though because I've had a friend of mine says I gave him some REM albums I'm like hey listen. These are really good. He's like yeah, it's pretty good It's good music to clean your room, too and that was that's always been like the The the benchmark for if you think a band is not as great. It's your friend thinks it is It's good music in your room to clean your room to it. Wow. I give it a 55 I can't be compliment. I know I'm like really I just I was so upset. I'm like really you didn't like REM Yeah, it's like that DTS podcast man. That's a Okay Yeah, it's good to do some housework, too Yeah, as long as you support the show we're happy with whatever activity you do Even if you're a picture of yourself cleaning your room while listening to DTNS, please be clothed in the picture What are you doing listening to DTS you lining up for two four left I wonder how many other pilots there are Do they all get to be the other pilots? There's at least three that we've read emails from The high flying show All right Tiz. I will see you all next week. Yeah, yes. Yeah, I'm sorry This is taking so long to export today, but if you guys take off. I'm gonna end our stream So that's right. Thanks everybody everybody next week member Then