The most badass way to defeat the narcissist. This can be very effective against the narcissist. However, this video is for educational purposes only. Please be responsible. I do not recommend doing this with a malignant narcissist as that could put you at risk of danger or harm. The most badass way to defeat the narcissist. The most badass way to defeat the narcissist isn't by fighting back. It isn't by trying to counteract or retaliate in a fight struggle or contest. It isn't by trying to gain power over the narcissist or by trying to control what they are trying to do. Instead, it is about going within yourself. It is about being at peace with yourself. Rather than letting the narcissist provoke you into fighting with them. What you fight always fights back. Narcissists are expert manipulators. Arguments and conflict are their playground. So you will not win that battle. And you shouldn't try to. Instead of trying to outnark the narcissist, find peace within yourself. Focus on your breathing. Do not react to them. Observe. Don't absorb. Respond. Don't react. Don't give them any of your emotions. Instead, remain calm. Remain centered.  When you do this, the narcissist may try to test you. They may try to provoke you to react to them. And they will do this by becoming even more furious.  They may threaten to do something unfavourable to you. But most often, these are just empty threats, which they have no intention of backing up with action. Their bark is bigger than their bite. So when the narcissist tries to provoke you, hold your ground. Do not retreat.  Hold your frame, regardless of what they are saying to you. Be unmoved. Be unaffected by their emotional excitement. Be unchanged in your purpose and intention. And at some point, the narcissist will realise that they can't get a rise out of you. They will realise that they can't get a reaction. They can't make you angry or upset. And that is when they will accept defeat. That is when they will fall back. The narcissist wants you to react to them. They want to move you. They want to affect you. But if you hold your frame and remain unchanged in your purpose and intention, they cannot get to you. And they are forced to accept defeat.  Rather than fighting back. Rather than gaining power over them or trying to control what they are trying to do. When you engage in an argument with a narcissist, you will not gain power over them. They will always gain power over you. Because they are taking your power from you. But there is nothing for you to hold over them. Because they don't have any power. You cannot threaten someone who has nothing. You cannot make them do what you want. Because they have nothing to lose. The only reason why they are able to threaten you in the first place is because you have something of value. Which they are fully aware of. And that is how they are able to gain power over you. By taking your power away from you. But you cannot do the same thing to them. Because there's nothing to hold over them. They've got nothing to lose. The most valuable thing that they could lose is you.  Withdraw your emotion. And leave them powerless. Leave them devoid of strength and resources. Instead of giving your power to them. Because whenever you engage with a narcissist. Whether it's a positive or negative interaction. All you're really doing is giving them your power. That is the only thing that can happen in an interaction with a narcissist. Because they have nothing to give to you. So instead of doing that. Go within yourself. Hold your frame. Remain centered. Remain calm. And watch as the narcissist just drives themselves insane. Until they finally fall back. Thank you for watching. I hope this video has made it with you. Please like, comment, share and subscribe. If you would like to donate. My PayPal link is in the video description. Coach the inquiries. You can email me at coach.nag.tv.uk. Thank you for watching and I'll talk to you soon.


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Hello everybody! If it's Saturday then there must be some kind of reveal nonsense going on and that means it's time for another episode of Warhammer Weekly. Now joining me this week is the man, oh Jesus that other thing is not muted, sorry, where I watch it on the other screen. Joining me is the man formerly known as Good Painter Stormcast Man. Presently known as Good Painter Lumenath Man or today I guess Rich. What's up Martin, how are you doing brother? Good to have you back on. Hello, yeah thanks for having me everybody. I am currently at Camp Orlando, barbecuing with family. I'm using my father's laptop and what used to be my bedroom, now his home office. Yeah, I just happened to be like I got my Dominion box and then went over to my family house to do barbecuing before the July. That weekend, getting together with a family for barbecues absolutely makes perfect sense if you're here in the States, if you're elsewhere in the world. I hope you're having a wonderful weekend even if you're not celebrating your divorce from the British Empire. And thank you for my fifth stint on Warhammer Weekly. Hey there you go. I'm sure we'll have you back again. That I have no doubt about. We're here to talk about the preview today. And before we get into the details of everything, I want to just sort of touch base. Okay, so Martin, how'd you feel about it overall? It was pretty much what I expected and I expected to be wowed by awesome supplements to the starter set because they did say that this was going to be themed around the Dominion box. So I imagine that's like any sort of reinforcements that were like directly related to the troop units in the box was going to be the stuff that was shown off today. And that's what we got. Yeah, I think that I wanted to see more. I really did. I liked them sharing all of the models of everybody who painted it in the time beforehand. I thought that was really nice and there was some very fun painted miniatures in there. Shout out to Sam Lenz's stuff that looked fantastic that was in there. As far as the reveal itself goes, we got the basics plus a couple cool pieces, but we know there's more. I wanted to see more. We need that the gift from Daenerys Targaryen from Season 2. Where are my dragons? Yeah, exactly. Where are them Stormcast Drake writers? We all heard about them. We know they're there. Can we just get them going? Come on, where are they at? So, yeah, I'm excited. So let's talk about some stuff in order. First off, we've got the two new battle tomes we all knew were coming, right? They've said basically that these will be in August, I think, so they'll probably be early August, probably going in pre-release or preview, what do I say, pre-order. There's the right word. At the end of the month for release in early October, I would assume. Now, tinfoil hat there, right? Excuse me. I got an email this morning, and I'm sure a few other people did too, that between today and Saturday, August 4th, if you order more than 50 British pounds or equivalent currency worth of stuff from the web store, you get, I think it's $5 off, might be paltry, but that might give us a time window or timeframe for when the next big pre-order thing might be. Right, yeah, absolutely. Now, there is some good news, bad news here with these new battle tomes, because we did get confirmation in this article of something that, honestly, I'm not thrilled about. Okay, but we'll see. We'll give it a chance, but my initial blush, first reaction is not positive. All right, so first off, we changed the border spine color. I don't care about that. We're back to 8th edition red, everybody. Red, it's back. Oh, no. Oh, that's right. I knew you'd catch that. Yes, I was going to say the same thing. We're back to classic 8th edition red spines. Okay, fine. Every edition change, they always change the spine in some way so you can see when you look at them sideways what's different. Yeah, but we've done that almost bony, like, white sort of inside of a dead cathedral looking sort of aesthetic, but now we're back to the big red book. Big red book, yes. The second thing I wanted to highlight for everybody was right here. They didn't talk about this on the stream. You know, they said these are going to contain the new path to glory rules, your crusade system for AOS and all that. Of course, great, fantastic. Love all that stuff. I know crusade's been very, very popular. A lot of people are playing crusade games in 40K. I'm sure that'll be very popular in AOS with this new system. But right here is the part I wanted to draw your attention to, Martin. Both books include new sub-faction rules. Best of all, every battle tone in the new edition contains a code that lets you access the rules in the upcoming Warhammer Age of Sigmar app, which is due to head into beta later this year. Now, first of all, I thought it was supposed to be released in beta, like, today. Yeah, I guess they changed that. Oh, well. Not a great sign. Number one, first off, well, that's bad. Two, I want my digital books back. That's just I can buy a digital book in the app. I don't like this by the physical book to get the digital thing. It's exactly the opposite of how it should go. They like honing it in the app. I do not understand. I don't like this in 40K. I don't like it here now. So there we go. Now, I'm not going to prejudge the app. If it's good, it's good. Just keep all the War Scrolls free. That's all I care about. Like, I should still be able to download the app and read the War Scrolls for free. As long as that's still the case, I'm fine. That's what I want. Yeah, it's a mess. Like, any number of critiques or opinions are available as to the system. It basically makes us feel like that Age of Sigmar kind of got off easy for a little while, because they had effectively a temporary business model where rules are effectively free, and they are in some channels, but not all. And I get how convenient an online army builder is, because when I hear people talking about the app within my local circles and stuff online in general, when people are talking about the app, they're mostly talking about having the army builder as part of that package. As someone who tends to do my army building on a notepad or just not within an app space, I can only get the PDF of the general's handbook for 20% off, and I can look up my unit rules for free. And now that's probably changing as well. I don't particularly like it, but it unfortunately is what it is. Yeah, I mean, we'll see what happens. I'm not going to prejudge it. Whatever happens happens. I'm not going to be able to get in the way of this train. But my hope would be, and the previous article where they previewed the app seemed to imply that, that the War Scrolls will still be free to preview, but if you want to use the army builder part, you'll pay for it, much like the current app versus Azure, right, the Azure portion of it. So if they keep that distinction, I'm fine, whatever. And yes, all your payment would just be all rolled into Warhammer Plus, right? So whatever, that's fine. Okay, that all aside, you know, it's fine. It is what it is. I mean, I'll be picking up both of these books physically anyways, of course, because I'm making a new Stormcast army in my Ratcast. And obviously I have an Iron Jaws army and I'm very tripping. I am scared about this, like Iron Jaws is near perfect. I've said it before, it's hard to imagine improvement on perfection. Fingers crossed. Yeah, yeah, I will have to take a look at the, because I have 4,000 points of celestial indicators. Yeah, you do. Yeah, and I'm, I'm eager to see what new rules they get. I was hoping to see that we would might, because we're making this march towards Stormcast, at least being given new content in the same light of space Marines. I was hoping to see some Lieutenant level characters for like the different storm hosts, like just like a smattering them out there, like they did for when they did spate the first space Marines of, I want to say 8th edition, like when they got Tor Garadon at Grex or whatever his name is. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And I was like, let's try and do something like that for all of the other storm hosts to get your. Yeah, because we got GARDUS and then we called it today so far. But yes, I agree. I'd love to see that kind of a spread. Yeah, you're right. They did like one cool character. I don't know if they were like a chapter master or what they were. No, they were just captains. They were just like, yeah, they were, they were, if you want to classify by old lords and heroes, they were all hero level space Marines. Yeah. And I was hoping like celestial of indicators, like can I get a samurai lady to like put in my stuff and we'll find out like it hasn't been confirmed or denied, but I'd like to see something like that. Rust Belt Blacksmiths at Vince Ventrell. Have you heard anything about War Scroll Builder? Yes, I have my friend Tony P confirmed he is hard at work updating War Scroll Builder for 3.0. War Scroll Builder is sticking around. So we're all happy about that. He had a, he was, he's been, he shared out a little, little quick tweet today about his progress as he's working hard to get everything up to date for 3.0. He's just been a tick attack in a way on the old keyboard, making sure that we're all going to have an awesome War Scroll Builder, which best program, best, best, best in browser app, whatever you want to call it. That's what I need. If I've got War Scroll Builder, I'm happy, frankly. So the app can be whatever the app is. All right. Speaking of new miniatures, my friend, let's talk about what we got here. So I'm not going to work.  Yeah. I have the article to run. Yeah. But I really just, I'm going to, I'm going to get into the, the miniatures itself. So we saw, I would call it the other baseline stuff. Is that sound right to you? Like the, the other basic troops. Yeah. And this raises the question. I think you said this now. I'll openly admit I'm just directly stealing this from you when we were talking before the show. How many times do we need to remake the basic troops of stormcast? Like, are we just, how many different baseline troops do we need? Not only, not, we keep reinventing the wheel, but we keep reinventing the wheel at a faster pace. Right. And I don't know how healthy that is for a product range. Yeah. This is going to be like, I'm picturing this book with now like 60 or 70, like, you know, bigger than Skaven or Seraphon even levels of just different war scrolls and lots of overlapping roles, bigger than cities of Sigmar. And, but, but, you know, like, fine. They're all great. I'm doing me wrong. I'm really torn on this because looking at the models, I really love them. I think they look awesome. And I really like the new look of stormcast. So for me, it's not a terrible thing as I'm restarting a stormcast army from scratch. Like I retired my old stormcast army, my, my Bretonian, my Brett cast and I'm making the rat cast. So, okay, cool. If you have an existing force, like, okay. Yeah. You know, the rumor is that the, you know, in the new book, the old stuff, a lot of it's getting a real boost as well. The rumor is that like the warrior chamber is going to be pretty great. Sorry. He's upset. Corky alert. It's all right. Like the warrior chamber is going to be good. And that old stuff still going to be quite competitive. So I am interested to see what happens. We'll see how it also works out. But anyways, let's get into these individually. So first off, Lord commander, bastion, Carthelos leader of the hammers of sigmar. So like this is the guy in charge of the hammers of sigmar. Sorry about the barking. Like, can you still hear it on my end? No, no. Okay. Very, very distant in the background. It's okay. Gosh. So yeah, the first thing that came to mind and this is just because I'm weird. It looks like Tony Todd. For those who remember all the old Star Trek, the sculpting is just incredible. Like all these faces now, like they feel like this, just the faces in general, the games workshop has been putting out. They feel like they have these distinguished features that make them like truly distinct from one another. Yeah. The only other thing before you get into the metal stuff, because I know, I know we could talk about the metals. You just put out your 300th copy. I did. Yes. About metals. I think they already broke a cardinal sin here by making both gold and vertebrate bronze part of the same armor. And it looks weird because the bronze is both clean and ancient at the same time. Sure. It has like the weird vertebrae and the, just only in the recesses. Yeah. Otherwise very shiny. Right. Like it's, it's polished bronze, but it also, yeah, like you have to pick one. I get that they're doing that for color theory, because it does look nice and it contributes to the blue. Like you have your more metal and then the cold blue accent. But it just, it doesn't work for me in terms of just the color, coloring right here, but everything else about this model. I really like the pose. I think they haven't shown it like, like the full image, but if you go to the cutaways of like the other, yeah, he has a helmet. He has a helmet. Yeah. We can, we'll scroll down here so we can do the cutaways. Cause yes. So he's got both the holding and hammer in front of him option, which never pick worse option by far. Hammer to the side open model pose is always so much better than close to it in models. I see a two-handed weapon troop holding their, their weapon in front of them. And I'm like, cool. I'm not going to buy those. Yeah. Um, yeah.  Yeah. I think the sculpt is really good. It's solid. I love the, I like the beard helmet quite a bit. I think that's super fun. It shows like the grungy influence because grungy is obviously helping rebuild all this storm cast armor. So that's why they're doing stuff like that. So I completely get it. I think it's interesting to thematically tie in that narrative into the, the modeling. Uh, Lord, I have a note here written that says, Lord commander's hammer is damage four. So I'm happy to see that his hammer wielded by a relatively human sized person is twice as damaging as a mega gargantz club. So that's exciting. I'm never going to let this go ever. I defer to, to Hey, well about stats of attacks relative to damage about output. A gate breaker can kill RK on this guy. I mean, he might, we don't know the rules yet, but I'm, I'm presuming that it's not like in that hammer heart. Yes. Um, no, it's, it's, uh, I think the universal like almost like because we've seen so many characters like this, not necessarily Lord commanders and, um, shadow clamor will be first to tell you on Twitter about the implications of this. First of all, I thought Vandus hammer hand was the Lord commander. Maybe that, I mean, that's probably changed in the time skip or whatever of, of third edition. I have not actually read the, I think it was just like a preeminent Lord cellist. Yeah. Yeah. Um, I hope we see more characters like this, but generally the storm cast melee characters are four attacks, threes and threes. Sometimes you throw a two in there like, Oh, I hit on a two. Oh, and then rend one for D three damage. Um, it will be nice to see something that actually has a, that doesn't require like a dice roll to determine if it's going to flub or not. Um, here is the question. We got to get to the issue. You got to get to it. He's the Lord commander of the hammers of Sigmar. I'm assuming that means he's got the hammers of Sigmar keyword and is only used in hammers and Sigmar armies. Does this guy have a generic version? Um, I do not believe they said so for this kit because they were, um, they were quick to point out elsewhere in the preview when multi kits were available. Um, now that could be wrong. Like they would put that in this article, I think. I would think so too. That's why I'm sad because I think this dude is super awesome. And obviously you can include him in your army regardless. And who knows what his rules are and how dependent on buffing other hammers of Sigmar he is. Right. But I'm just like, I don't, I don't like so many hammers of Sigmar special characters. And I like it when they do it, if they give you a generic version of well as well. Right. So you've got like the event is fire strike guy or whatever, Mr. Hammer Hall himself, right? The mayor of Hammer Hall town. Yes. Um, Yeah. We've got like the generic version. Now I'm really fingers crossed hoping for an update, like that that model gets super good in the new edition. I'm not going to lie. Like the one model I'm banking on is I want the dude on Torah lawn to become awesome because I really want to put. Yeah. That was the only character I use like in one game. And then I actually sold that model to a friend. That was like, I'm, I'm not going to be using this. I'm sorry. Right. Yeah. Yeah. That looks, yeah. I really appreciate this character. I hope that we see more in this sort of archetype words. Like not only do we get more like a big boy actually does damage may play heroes. Yes. First one cast, but we also, if we do more Lord commanders, um, I would like there to be more non hammers of Sigmar characters that are also distinct also. Yes. It feels like they could just include a rule with this dude. Like cause I T said, I don't think you can have generic Lord commanders, but we could. We could have Lord commander and one of his special rules could be he must include, you must choose a sub faction of one of the below. This is the Lord commander for that. Yeah. Right. Like you could do it and then like replace all instances on this war scroll of hammers of Sigmar with the keyword chosen or they could just use like they do in 40 K where it's like, you must choose order. And then they have like, you know, order in, in Perens throughout on the war scroll card. Like it's not tech. We don't have you. They use it in 40 K all the time where you have to pick a particular sub faction or group for them to be. And then it just slots into the rules all over the place. Yeah. So anyways, maybe we're too dumb for that here in AOS. I don't know. You gotta have that big 40 K brain for that kind of tech. Yeah. Uh, Knight, relic door. Okay. Okay. So previously we had our Lord relic door. Yeah. From our original first box set. Now we have the night relic tour. Martin, I'm going to, I'm going to jump out on this one. Okay. Yeah. Okay. This guy. Yeah. I do not like this one at all. We're, we're really parsing it here. Like we had our knight arcane. We had our Lord. Right. It's so it's like how many archetypes can we kind of like, like literally, like literally using accounting to try in and combine and make.  I can't stand it. It looks like a fanny pack. Like I get it. Yes. Um, yeah. Um, This guy going to Disney world with his kids. So you got some cargo sharks and shorts on underneath that. Underneath that. I'd have to go look at the video again. Like I see all of these props, but it's like, it feel, it feels almost like I'm, oh God, I don't want to say it because I don't want to feel like too, like, cause there are going to be people who are fans of these heroes. And like, If you love it, I'm like, cool, super good. From a world building perspective, it, if you take away like the, the regimented, like this has to only be this thing in the, in the game, but like from like a role playing perspective or a writing perspective, this really does help create a living world where you have access to all of these very specialized and distinct, um, costumes and archetypes, which do all sorts of things, both big and small within a setting you're trying to create for yourself and players, like a narrative or, or even if you're a soul bound, I was thinking of, there we go. Yeah, sure. Um, and, uh, I'm sure that you could go on some interesting adventures with a character like this, but unless it had, unless it costs like around the hundred points and it is this really cool utility. I'm not sure what purpose this is serving. Right. Um, it, it, it feel, yeah, a lot of the, a lot of the costume feels like just pieces of existing assets that they took from both 40 K and Sigma and combined it together into a character that I'm not sure it was needed. Uh, a lot of this feels like that to be honest, but, um, it does create this cool, like space marine chaplain ask sort of, obviously very chaplain. Yes. Yeah. And I think you're going to see people who, um, are looking for a new unique space marine chaplain in sort of correct. Oh, you have to just, you don't really have to do a lot of conversions. No, because he even has like a reliquary on his back. So clearly he has a backpack slot that you would just swap out for the space marine backpack slot. Like you can put a standard space marine backpack into that slot. Right. And aside, yeah. And aside from like a gun holster, which you can take one of the, the, the hip plates off and put in its place, you have the same work here, the space marine chaplain would have. Yeah. I like the mace. The halo is okay. It's not bad. I do like the halo kind of look.  Um, but I don't like his little skull, brazier thing. It just looks like a derpy skull, wearing a goofy hat. Like his, his Aspergillum or whatever. I guess it wouldn't be an Aspergillum because it's not on a stick, but his, his sense, it is a sensor. Yes. And that's like straight out of 40 K, like a lot of dark angels, space with the rosary top. Yeah, exactly. And like with the skull and the crown of the skull has been shaped with like the sensor metal. And it's like, yeah. Uh, I mean, Stormcast are the design space where you want to have that sort of gothic interpretation of nights, um, intermingle with all of these science fantasy tropes. So you're going to see some of that blended bleed over into Stormcast. And I think that's more present here than it has ever been in the storm cast range. Yeah, I just, he doesn't have the same form. I think that this, this, the fanny pack box is nonsense. This is bad. I don't like his relic or backpack. By the way, we could like, look at this shoulder Martin, did you catch this shoulder pad and how weird it is? I think it has, it has an embossed shape on it. It does. And I, and it just looks bad at that angle. Right. Yeah. It looks like this weird cyst. Probably a skull. Yeah. Probably a skull shape thing. Because, um, because we don't want to have like it, this is, I think just a thing the sculptors do. It's like, why, why should we have to make remember transfers? Like some armies used to come with sheets and sheets and sheets of transfers. And now it's like, well, we don't have to do that anymore. We can just sculpt an embossed symbol. And you can tell that they're embossed because even in some of the key art for a lot of these factions that, that symbol, which is embossed onto the plastic in the kit is painted on in the art. So it's like, we don't have to make hobbyists do that anymore. We can just do it on the armor. Sure. All right. Let's move through these base troops here. We got a couple of these guys to look at. So, uh, first of all, we've got the vanquishers, which are basically the sword guys to counter our spear dudes and the bendictors. So here is our basic sword infantry. Obviously clearly very similar. Yeah. Like these guys. I think they're great. I hope the great sword has a two inch reach. Otherwise they're worthless. But, uh, but if they have a two inch reach, I'm good. Yeah. I see a bear head in there. Me being the kick bash that I am. I'm like, oh, look, I could probably put that on an elf. Um, I will say the head sculpts in these, like the bear head sculpts, they're so good. They're so good. Like on a lot of these base troops, it's crazy. They have like really interesting dynamic base head sculpts or bear head sculpts. I'm so impressed with the work. Yeah. Yeah. And it's almost like it's, it's, uh, I mean, this is, there's not much to talk about on these generic troops. Like they are storm cast in the thunder strike armor. Yep. And like they, they just have a different weapon and these have a waste cape. Uh, so it's like this, the head stand out so much more for how superb they are. Someone in my, in my local club who is going to get boxes of these. And a lot of them are like, I always want to put the helmets on all of them. It's either they don't want to paint skin or it's just a thing or it's like, all my storm cast always wear helmets. I'll take those. I'll take those bear heads. 100%. These are so going to be so valuable, right? Because they're great. Like there's lots of different, it's just, it's nuts. It's nuts. How many different like good facial features and, and types and hair and stuff like that that they've captured. So yeah, I'm down. I don't like the half cape is nice. I don't hate it, but I actually like the svelte form of the vindictor, you know, without the extra robing. There's something really elegant and smooth about that is just armored form as opposed to these more sort of priestly looking vanquishers. Yeah. Because, and they also don't have the, the, the skirt of the scale mail. If you notice, because they were pretty sick with the actual like half. Yeah. Just a half cake instead. They're literally in a suit of, of like almost, almost accurate plate armor, which is weird that. Yeah. So I know I get what you're going for. I'm just going to state one more time. I'm not sure why this couldn't be like a unit of the like liberators or something. Right. Just new liberators. Yeah. Exactly. Yes. Just call these like liberators in Thunderstrike armor. Yeah. Sure. Whatever. Correct. Yeah. They are as liberators, but add the Thunderstrike keyword. Sure. Okay. And then we've got the new shooty boys in vigilors, which is pretty non-sensical, but that's fine. That's, that's normal for all space ring like things. Of course. The bow and sword, Marty, what's your, what's your take here on the, so many troops with both a bow and a sword in their hands at the same time. Yeah. Um, well, first of all, they have both strings. Like we're, we're continuing to be, it's probably, it's probably like a CAD thing where we can put both strikes, both, both strings here. We can't put post strings on this other thing because just the mold won't support it. But these feel like heavier Vanguard hunters. And from what they said in the show, it sounds like they operate that same way. But instead of having fur on, they've decided to go for a little bit more of a Roman looking hunter because of the Greco-Roman inspiration on all storm cast. Um, and just the way that they, um, have made all of the wind direction on the cloaks feels, feels like Italian Baroque, like sort of artwork. Um, yeah. Um, the one holding a map. I'm sorry. It doesn't look like a map. It looks like they're holding. Looks like, I'm sorry. It looks like TP. It does. Um, can we talk about just real quick? I know we mentioned the faces already, but this one I have up on screen, the lady with like the headband and the like hair, the white hair going back. It's like one of my favorite heads they've ever made. Oh, wow. Yeah. With the star slip. Yeah. It's very, um, yeah. Super like Larry Elmore 80s fantasy painting. Right. Like that's what she feels like. Like she walked right out of like a dragon lance. No. Yeah. With the, uh, yeah. With the, whatever the shorter length hair and the, the, the heavy sort of almost Celtic inspired star slit. Yeah. I like that. Anyways. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.  That is one of my favorite heads they've ever made. Oh, and some of the, some of the helmets, um, have the little metal beard on them too. Yep. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. These dudes have little metal beards too. Um, yeah. So, uh, all in all, these are cool. Fine. No issues. Like I, they did say these can be battle line. I think so. I think he's a nice judicator. Or it could be, it could be a hero that we haven't seen yet. Sure. But I assume it's going to be that guy because they did just preview that guy last time when they did that and the silly chariot. And I'm sticking to my guns here people.  I don't like the storm cast chariot. I will never like the storm cast chariot. I like chariots and other armies. Storm cast should have tanks or dreadnoughts.  I was, I was actually playing it. Someone had just bought their dominion box of playing a game last night and someone in the club was saying, um, cause they were using their adeptus custodes army as part of the proxies cause they were on the same base size. And, um, cause they didn't have enough of the storm cast stuff. And someone said, what if instead of indrasta, you did a storm cast dreadnought as your indrasta. Sure. I already know I'm converting my indrasta for rat cast. I'm very excited. I've got the very nice. All right. Uh, so yeah, so they could be battle line, which is cool. And obviously the previous dudes that we talked about the vanquishers. Oh, we know are already battling. Okay. So then we've got our new annihilators. Uh, are we going to get any lady annihilators in here at all? Like all these are male. Um, but I wonder if there's any lady annihilators. I don't know. Um, either way, this is the other annihilator kit. So this one is, uh, you can get the two handed hammers in this one. They have a three plus base save instead of a two plus base save because the big ones with the two handers don't have their shields, but they hit even harder. Um, the annihilators, as you mentioned, Marty, have the standard storm cast profile, like three attacks, threes and threes, neg one rent, two damage, right?  But, uh, but these guys, uh, love the bear chest by the way. Yeah, very, very game of thrones here. Fantastic. I want to see this explored more. Um, I will say, I will say that maybe this is a sigh of relief. Um, it is a unit of three. Um, so yeah, we did get confirmation. These annihilators come in units of three, which means that you are not under strength in your starter set box, like the, um, the hur, how I think every unit in the, um, on the strong cast side and soul wars was under strength or like not enough, right? Yeah. It only took us three launch boxes, but we got there. Third time's a charm, Marty. Third time's a charm. Uh, yeah, I, I, I am not sure about the annihilators. Like again, I'm, I'm not coming at this from like storm cast was a vacation home from my imagination. Sure. I have everything I need now in the, in the luminous, but, um, I, I do like the idea. First of all, have we seen any helmets or these all bear? Yeah, these are all bear heads. So. Yeah. They mentioned that there are full helmet options. Yeah. Yeah. They really show bear heads. So good. These three faces like my God. And also the heavy metal painters are really doing a lot better with faces. Let me just say shout out to them. Well done, guys. Well done. Whoever did these unit on the team, you did a fantastic job. You're really, really killing it over here. Yeah. Um, I'm not, I'm not the, the biggest fan of like this armor shape to me. I mean, like it does look nice, but it reminds me a little bit too much of, um, those in the chat who played the very first stage game, uh, like the late game armor you could get as a night look like this big lobster thing where you could barely move any of your limbs. It was meant for like the only the tankiest of the tank builds, um, in your adventuring party. And that's what this feels like to me. I almost prefer the, the traditional palette and armor where they showed off at the very beginning of one storm cast launched. Is that, that just probably your evocators and whatnot. Uh, yeah. Your retributors, your protectors. Yeah. Yeah. Sorry. Thank you. Yes. Your retributors and yeah, exactly. Yeah. They all, they all have similar sounding names. They have almost identical costumes except for the Thunderstrike stuff now. It's okay. Uh, so yeah, uh, cool that we'll get these. They did confirm, by the way, that these new kits are not push fit. They're just traditional standard model fit kits. So, I don't know. Well, yeah, I was about to say because like at the, when Soul Wars came, there were certain units which were restricted exclusively to push fit. Like especially like on them. Yeah. Like the castigators I think were push fit only for those who actually bought castigators. That sounds right. Yeah. I think as they came in the weird little box. Yes. You know what the extra griff hound. Yes. Yes. Uh, but yeah. So, okay. So that's all of our storm cast. Uh, what we didn't see is the Drake writers or which we think are coming. That's what we want to see.  It doesn't matter. I've got, I've got too much stuff to paint. So having a little bit of a delay like I'm just going to work my way through my dominion box. Every, every model in my storm cast army is like a 25 to 30 hour paint job alone, like each model. So it's, you know, I'm in no rush here. I got the time. What am I doing? Yeah. And, and I brought over, it's still going to be a little while until we barbecue, I brought over my Lewineth battle tome and I'm going to take a look through the core rules a little deeper now that like we've gotten over initial excitement period of just like, of screenshots and conversations and again, just try and write a proper list that I want to bring to an event next month. Yeah. Yeah. Now that we've got the FAQs everything and don't worry. If you're wondering about our reaction on the FAQs, we will talk about those on the show next week. Okay. Mr. J says a month. No. Yes. Because the rumor, the understanding is this book will launch in the beginning of August. So they're both books will launch in the beginning of August. Although I don't know if there's going to be a one week or two week release, I imagine this will be spread over a two week release just because there's at least because there's so much stuff here. Yes. And then they said there's probably a cast home coming right on the heels of that in October. I am hoping, hoping, hoping it is a new beast of cast home and they need it. Okay. Plus beast of cast generally released in October. That's when you put on a beast of cast home. So that was the last one. All right. Let's talk about these swamp bogglers, shall we? All right. All right. Swamp bogglers. Overall, this is not my army. I'm an iron jaws guy. The biggest orcs with the most armor are the best orcs. I am very excited to continue playing my iron jaws in the new book. I am nothing but hopeful. Please don't let me down. Don't slanesh me and I'll be fine. Swamp boggler like orcs don't summon. So I think we'll be okay. Yeah. So for me when these first launched, I was definitely on the train of being pleasantly surprised or just that these had a very load of the rings film sort of aesthetic to them, which is not something we've seen for orcs and war hammer ever. And it did cause quite a stigma or just controversy. I should say when, because they're also previewing orcs for beast Snagas, which I assume that box is probably going to be coming out this month. Like I think we're done with Aegis Sigmar for like next two or three weeks, I think. Don't quote me on that, of course, but the beast Snagga boys, like they were also showing, hey, we're also updating the 20-year-old kits for orc boys in 40K. Right. And it looks like how orcs have always looked compared to this, which is a little bit more not Tolkien inspired, but Peter Jackson, I should say, inspired. I'm fine with that. I like that designation. Yes. And while that was true, it's like we saw a lot of Lord of the Rings inspiration or sorry, the Phil inspiration. I think we're now getting a little bit more into its own thing. Like the truly, they said they have dredged the swamp of the swamp creatures and they have been tamed mercilessly by the cruel boys and they are marching to war alongside them in a hideous bondage. And yeah, I think we've got that in full tier today. Yeah. These guys are real busy, but I'll say, you know, so I painted one of the swamp bogglers. I decided to put a video out on painting cruel boys. And you know what, like these dudes have a lot going on and initially my take on them was pretty negative because I thought that they were too busy. But after painting the first one, I will say it honestly wasn't that bad. This guy is super busy. Like he's got a lot, but I assume you only have like one of these probably for your army. This is the special character boss, Scumdreck. Yeah. And then the generic one is down here. Yeah, exactly. And then you can also do the generic one, which is the Snatchaboss on Sludgeraker Beast.  It's a good texture to use. Yeah. I think this dude looks sweet as he is super busy, but he's also a good centerpiece. Like if you this this alternate head is super derpy, by the way, I do not like this alternate head. The one that doesn't have the face covering on it on the thing. Like you've got two options with him, the face covering. Yeah. I don't like either of the head options. I don't like either of the head options. I'm sorry. I want to see I want to see the face of the centerpiece model I'm painting. No, no, on the mount. Sorry. I'm not on the main guy. Oh, okay. Yeah. I give what you're saying. Yeah. Like there's the, yeah, the I the special character with his like knockoff mad max helmet. Okay. Yeah. Which I presumably was what they were going for. Yes. His is like, it's okay. I like the other guy with just the the Vader mask or whatever. The main mask. Yeah. Oh, yes. Oh, I see. It doesn't stormcast. You're new to the swamps, but I was born in it molded by it. Yeah, exactly. So, um, I don't mind this guy. He's fine. I do. I love how they painted the wood. Like if you go down to the cutaways and you see the special character sludge raker beast. Yeah. And just like looking at the wood grain on there, it's like, man, I need to make my the woods, the woodpikes. I know a lot of that is built in texture. Like you can tell that there's sculpted texture on a lot of like the wood bracing and stuff behind the named character. Yeah. I think that's painted on though, on, um, the the, what's the color shackle on it. Yeah. And it's like, I need to paint more wood like that because you and I have been going back and forth like on on my luminous and how to do all of the pipes because they have like the butter smooth pipes, which should be wood texture. Right. And it's like, that's that's just excellent. I got to try that. Yeah. Yeah. Uh, but yeah, overall super cool, dude. Again, he is very, very busy, like crazy busy. Yeah, I think, I think, um, to, to, to care, uh, to build on what you said earlier about painting the troops. Um, I think they have this sort of, um, escalating sort of detail, which I think is possibly the point, like as you get closer to the, um, the, the, like lower on the pyramid or the food chain, as it were, when you get close to the basic troops, you get to a better ratio of textures and they look like just better. Like the crew, like the gut ripas and the, the gobb, the hot goblins, they, they look excellent. But then when you get up here, it's like, it almost like this model right here, the, the, the sludge raker beast almost be like a barrier to entry. I think to some newer painters because it's like, how do you even paint this? It's a lot. Yeah. Although all of the hanging bits that are just not going to break, but like just getting away of someone who is not used to like painting something this elaborate. Right. It's, it's crazy. Yeah. Just a quick moment before we leave this guy behind once again, he's, he's, there's this giant wood sort of contraption where he's clearly capturing people and trapping him. I assume he'll have a like, you know, sleigh models instantly type of mechanic as he puts them in his cage or whatever, you know. Yeah. Uh, but did you notice that his little wood plank here has a cushion underneath it? Uh, that he's sitting on? Just like the, just like the troll, uh, uh, master blaster guy? I can barely see it, but yes, yes. That's funny. Yeah. They, it's same with this dude, by the way. So let's move on to the, uh, the marsh crawler slog off.  Like this is all grots, obviously the little grots in the top. Yeah. This is not a super big base. No. This, this is fun. And I think this is a rumor engine. The, um, Yeah. The little man catcher thing. Yeah. The man catcher thing. Yes. Um, no, I, I, I really like this one. Um, this is where I was like, yeah, we're not, we're not in Tolkien territory anymore with this faction. Sure. Um, it's, it's. Yeah. I really, I really appreciate this. It's just, they have it has so much going on, but in a fun way. And because you can see the faces of most of the, um, the overall composition and mood of it. Yeah. Whereas I think compared to like the, the main characters, like because you can't really see what's going on with their, the faces of the guy on top, it takes away from it a little bit. Yeah. I love this one. This is actually, I, I don't know if that's on a 105 or a 92 cavalry base. I think that might legitimately be a 92 cavalry base. Like I don't think this thing is actually that big. Look at, look at the size of the goblins. I think you're right. I think this is on a chaos night base. This is tiny. Well, it's bigger than the cast night. It'd be on the Lord on Carpegrac base, but yeah. Gotcha. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely. I'm into him big time.  Like, ah, he's good. Yeah. And then just the little drummer living his life, having a good time. Absolutely. Look, it's, yeah, this is great. So I honestly don't think this model will be that big. Love the tones and stuff they picked for the skin of the troll. I think he looks good. He looks almost melty, which is, I guess, a weird way to say it, but, yeah, it's, it is not, it has not come from a nice place to live. Right. So, yeah, super great stuff. I assume again, this one will have like snatch and grab mechanics. I think both of these monsters are going to have like snatch and grab mechanics.  Yeah. And because it's so small, I have a feeling Yeah. Like not, not, I don't want to say, oh, this is going to be competitive. You're going to see multiple stuff of these. I just think that you're, you're going to be allowed to take more than one. Yeah. This is what I'm trying to try. Yep. I'm with you. Absolutely. Uh, it says like, if you're facing these creatures, try to avoid getting, getting grabbed by the grots, long, sharp snatch a gear. And yeah.  I do have one question for you before we move on. If you go to the cutaway of the drummer. Like a blue. Yeah. Is that, what is that? I think they got a vampire head. Okay. Is that, yeah, I'm not used to seeing something like that painted that way. I know. It's a really interesting skin tone they did on that guy. Yeah. It was like, is that a, is that a like a face mask? Or yeah. I think they got themselves a vampire head. I legit think that's what it is. Very nice. With them so bright gray boards, wandering in the swamp, they're just as dead as everybody else. Okay. There's, you know, that's the wrong place for them to be. Absolutely. And then so, uh, it talks about two of the cruel boys units from the Dominion box. So we're getting the, then the, um, gut rippas, um, which there's an alternate weapon in there. Uh, they can have the, instead of the vicious stickers, the long spears, they can have little one handers. Uh, this is going to be the worst option. It's almost impossible to believe this is not the worst option, giving them the little hackers. Yeah. Because they said that it's less reach openly in the stream. So it'll be just a one inch reach. Like the advantage of the little stabbas in the Dominion box set is you got a two inch reach. These guys are on 32 mil basis. So they can actually fight quite efficiently, efficiently in the new coherency rules. Um, getting all of their attacks and triggering sort of the maximum amount of mortal wounds. Um, put the, put, you know, you give 32 mil troops, a one inch reach and, and one wounds or whatever things that might have two wounds or whatever I remember, but I think they're two in dudes, but, um, yeah, like they're almost instantly less interesting. Right? These, you're going to, you're going to wander into, to Nomarty, Thrall territory, like so fast. Yeah. Even if they're, Nomarty thralls hit real hard, real hard. Their swords are good. Nobody plays them. Cause they're just, Yeah. I'm going to swing the five of my 20 guys. Right. Right. Exactly. Exactly. Uh, but I mean, they look cool. It's nice to have the box that they did say both options are in the box. Um, so you can use the, Yeah. Yeah. I think they were trying to showcase. It's like also the command options and like, um, Yeah. Nice to have, but this, this stray is back into like, this feels like one of the concepts that was, um, from like a Peter Jackson, one of the rings movie. Totally. Which isn't bad. It's just like, um, it's very evocative of a fantasy setting, which Warhammer is not used to looking like, I think is the main, the main way to put it. Agreed. Uh, yeah. And then we get the box actually for the man's viewer bolt boys, which I'm sure we're going to be very popular actually across many orc war clans armies. Uh, love the unit champion. Oh yeah. Yeah. If I were, if I were, if someone said the next painting competition, you have to enter more than you can't paint a storm cast and elf or like a low fantasy, like historical piece. I would probably pick the unit champion right here and like just the, just him, um, cranking the crossbow back, um, with the open shirt, just to show the scars and everything and the muscle underneath. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And like the banner of just like, I really like that. I like just how this unit looks. Um, this one again, we have a unit of three. Um, I don't know if, no, I don't know if they asked if the push to fit applied to all of them. They said all of these are normal are going to be Stan. Okay. I was about to say because like, if you specifically go to the one who's just standing almost completely, um, like flat horizontally and holding the, like that looks like it could be push fit to me. Now that we, now we know it's not, but it was like, Oh, is this one of our push fit? Cause it is helpful to have kits like that. I think in the game. Sure. Cause when people come into a games workshop and they've like, I've heard of Warhammer from like computer games and like people talking about it online. Like it started in a cost effective manner and like those $15, $20, like three to five figure, like two parts. Yeah. Right. I think, I think that's a good place to put, um, at least some product from like the starter factions, but yeah, this, this looks nice. I'm glad. Um, yeah. And like the, having a ranged option in general for work lands outside of like, um, savage orcs. I think that's a, I think these dudes are going to be super popular because they, we know they like their, their, their bolts are actually pretty damaging, good rent, good damage.  So, um, you know, they, like the fact that these guys have two damage weapons makes them very scary, right? Cause effectively they almost become like the, uh, the storm cast. Long strikes. Thank you. There we go. I was like, in my head, I was like scrolling through war scroll builder, trying to find the right entry. The one that comes with aether wings that deep can use more than storm cast. Sure. Uh, so yeah, I mean, all in all, and then of course right here, they say, yep, in fact, there's even more new miniatures on the way. Um, so good. I show us the drakes, show us the drakes. That's what I want to see. I'm going to see them Drake writing storm cast. I'm ready. Okay. Um, pre battle tones are available to pre-order in August. Um, yes. And you said a third battle tune will follow these in October. Yes. Something a little more chaos flavored. Cool. So, assumingly that pre-order week will, I'm sorry, it's at the end of July. I was thinking, yeah. So, uh, I'm hoping for like the first weekend there in August that they go for pre-order. And then we get them basically a week later. Uh, so. And they'll probably do another preview to say like, um, because obviously the battle tones are going to have pictures of units we haven't seen yet. So I think that would be a good time to do another preview like this where they show the rest of it to get ahead of like review copies of the army books. Yep. So exciting stuff. Didn't see as much as I was hoping, but I liked everything I saw. So I would have rather they really jumped in. I'm sad we have to wait a month on like, I fight with the instinct on one hand. I really want to get all this stuff quickly. On the other hand, I'm like, I've already got my dominion box. It's going to take me a long time to paint. What am I talking about? So I have to balance my small child, but I want it now instincts with, with the fact that I got plenty of armies to play and plenty of things to paint. And in the end of month will be, we'll go by before we know it. I don't want to wish my child away. She's back. Uh, yeah, the, oh, and deep tea said, sorry to interrupt, but I was interested what that spiral thing is in the back corner of your room. Um, yes, it's a wizard staff. It's a big wizard staff. And yes, it's from a Renaissance festival. That is correct. Yeah. Um, that is what it is. It's one of the, I bought it when I was like 18 and I've kept it for many more than two decades as I've moved a house over house and college apartment after college apartment. So there you go. It's one of the few things I still have from that time period. Uh, anyways, so, uh, yeah, Marty, any final thoughts before we call it a day here? Um, no, I'm interested to see what comes after this. I mean, it's our, it's, I don't want to say that like I am, I am not grateful for this, this Renaissance that we are having with storm cast Eternals on new side to how orcs are represented and, and, uh, sort of, um, uh, showcased it and miniature form. Um, I'm good as a, I'm glad as a luminous player with that. It's not, it's not another luminous army. Like every eight months, you can go back to, uh, well, I mean storm cast, like it was due, like they, they, we went a whole three years. Yeah. I've been basically the entire cycle of iOS too. Yeah. Uh, there were like some holiday models and that was it or store opening models. Uh, yeah, it's, it's, um, I'm going to be picking up probably the storm cast home to crack it open and see like how the lore is advanced. Um, how I can, um, possibly play, uh, the celestial of indicators in a new way, but probably for more casual games, we'll say. Um, and, uh, yeah, it was, it was a good preview. I agree. Look forward to seeing, uh, them Drake writers get them in my hands. Uh, so, uh, with that, Martin, thank you so much for joining me today, brother. I really appreciate it. Thank you all out there for watching. If you didn't hit like already, hit like. We really appreciate it. It helps other people find the show, find the channel, uh, subscribe. Obviously if you haven't already, we'll keep being here talking about this stuff next Wednesday on the show. We're going to be talking about the new FAQs that came out. Oh boy. There's some stuff and we will talk about it deeply. But for all of you out there watching, thank you so much. We really appreciate it. Hope you're all enjoying this beautiful weekend. Uh, hope you've got maybe some new fancy models to paint and you're, you're right now gluing them together or getting ready to get the pain happening, but we appreciate you watching. Don't forget to hit that like as always. We'll see you next time.


We're on Wednesdays between 1 and 1.30, and thank you for joining us. We're with today, we're so lucky today to have a good friend and an industrious paralegal at our law firm, Clay Chapman, Iwamura Police and Neville. Her name is Martha Jane Urand, and we're going to talk a little bit about paralegal stuff and a lot a bit about what you did before you were paralegal, which is fascinating. Okay. Okay. How did you make the transition?  It's actually a very cute story. I always knew how to type, and my career in show business was waning down because as a woman gets older, she works less in show business. Yes. And so one day a friend of mine called me up and she said, oh, this lawyer over in Santa Monica needs somebody to type. I said, I'm not driving all the way to Santa Monica. It'll take a half an hour. She said, you need the money. I said, oh, all right. Well, it turned out to be this fantastic attorney named Charles R. English, who the Charles R. English Award and the American Bar Association in Criminal Defense is named in his honor. Oh, well, how nice for you. Yes. And we had celebrity clients like when Jack Nicholson took the golf club and bashed somebody's car, that firm represented him. Oh, you must be so proud. Oh, yes. Yes. And so then I had property in Hawaii and I decided, you know, why is somebody in my condo in Hawaii and I'm on the freeway stuck here in Los Angeles. So I moved over to Hawaii and very luckily found work as a paralegal right away when I moved here. When was that? 2001, May 15th, 2001. Oh, it's a while. Yes. And I worked at another firm before. I worked at Kessner Obayashi Bain in Matsunaga doing the same thing, you know, litigation defense. People should know how in-demand paralegals are. It's really hard to get a good paralegal and we're lucky Martha's very organized and very, well, she's very well educated also. So if you're contemplating a career in the law and you're not maybe ready to go to law school, you might try it out as a paralegal. Even if you are contemplating going to law school, you should try it out as a paralegal, I think. Yes. Well, what's interesting is that here in Hawaii we don't require certification for you to call yourself a paralegal. In some states unless you take very, very intense training and a very, very complicated exam, which people compared to passing the bar. Really? In some states you have to call yourself a legal assistant. You cannot use the term paralegal. But here in Hawaii you can because they're not certified. So it's paradise for paralegals here too? Yes, I think so. For everybody else? Yes. Yes. So I'm a lawyer. I have no idea. What does a paralegal do? It seems to me you do almost anything a lawyer does. Yes, well, the law is that you can't give any legal advice to anyone. You do work under the supervision of an attorney. So what I do is a lot of summaries and writing reports. Other paralegals do more of what we call transactional work, which is they get involved in bankruptcies and filing of documents and stuff which I don't do that kind of paralegal work. That's really complicated. It's very complicated. I haven't had training.  Yes. You've always been a litigation paralegal. Yes. And we do what's called insurance defense. For instance, if heaven forbid somebody has a car accident and the person's car got hit and somebody's suing them, the insurance company will hire an attorney to represent them based upon what their policy involves. And so a lot of times that's the kind of work that we do. And we have to investigate everything, look at the medical records, make sure that the injuries are as claimed. Some people try and put a stubbed toe into like a million dollar claim. Really? We prevent that. Yeah. So do you think the field of paralegals is a growing field? Or do you think it's a diminu... To me, it seems like it should be a growing field. Well, as long as there are more and more lawyers, there's going to be more and more paralegals. Because, for instance, it might come as no surprise to you that paralegals make less than lawyers. So a lot of times, especially the insurance companies, want as much of the work done by paralegal because it costs them less. Right, right. But again, it's always under the supervision of the attorney. Well, the paralegals that I've worked with are just terrific. And, you know, since I'm new to Hawaii and there's rules I'm not familiar with and courts I'm not familiar with, they've just been invaluable in helping assist me through the system. I mean, the law is very similar, but the structure is not exactly the same as it is in New York. Right. So there's different courts and stuff like that. Right. You can't just open a phone book and get the phone number of the judge's chamber. You've got to know somebody who knows that all important phone number. You have to get through to the judge for any reason. Right, right. Especially in Hawaii, it's really who you know.  We have found out over your period here. So, you know, this is my theory. My theory is that litigators particularly, particularly, particularly, particularly, and trial lawyers absolutely are thwarted actors. I've met so many trial lawyers who wanted to be actors or had gone to acting school and knew actually, so exciting, were an actor, were a comedian, nationally known, and you decided to go into the field of law. And is there any connection at all?  And there have been a couple of attorneys, not at our firm, of course, or the other firm I worked at. But, you know, through the years, a couple of attorneys who really didn't know what they were doing and projected that lack of knowledge. That's not good. That's not good. That doesn't engender confidence in your attorney. No, not at all. So, I think that there's some sort of bravura or, you know, feelings of grandiosity or something that lends itself to making a person feel comfortable in the legal field. All right. I see what you're saying. Yes. You play a lawyer. I mean, actually, it sounds kind of crazy, but you do. My interactions as a lawyer are completely authentic, but different than my interactions as Mary and Sasaki, you know, personal friend or, you know, tennis partner or whatever. I do put, I suit up. I suit up and I become a lawyer when I walk into the office usually. Yeah. Or I do it sometimes at home, but mostly when I walk into the office. Yeah, I find that it's also good to be here in Hawaii because the standards of dress are not what they are in Los Angeles or New York. For instance, I'm very casually dressed at work because I don't usually see clients. If I know I'm going to see clients, I'll make a little extra effort. But usually it's just me and the computer and all of the 9,000 pounds of documents that I'm like pouring through. Well, I feel like I'm so used to New York and having worn a suit for so many years that I kind of feel prepared if I'm dressed up. If I'm not, when it's casual day, I kind of feel like not, I just don't get into the role as easily. It's a little bit more, I do a lot more filing and a lot more slumping around the office, you know, that kind of thing. So where are you from originally? How did you get into acting? I'm from Boston, Massachusetts. I went to Harvard University and I was studying. As did I. I wear alma mater. Yeah, but she went to the law school. Yeah, but it's still Harvard. It's Harvard. It's Harvard. Anyway, so I was studying human populations and natural resources, you know, environmental things. And then one day I said, oh, I'm going to take a dance class. I'll get physically fit. It'll be fun. The next thing I know, I'm majoring in modern dance. I'm not doing any other courses. And so all of the dances that I would choreograph, and I did receive a grant from the National Endowment for the Arts for my choreography. Wow. I was in the 70s, you know. And all my dances ended up being funny. And so that sort of like pushed me into doing stand-up comedy. Right. Which takes so much nerve. I think it takes so much nerve. Oh, no. It doesn't take any nerve to do stand-up comedy. It takes a lot to get the bookings. That's the hard part. Is it really hard, yeah? Yeah, because unless you're at a certain level, you've got to phone up the people and go, hey, any openings in October, you know, you have to call months in advance. And you know, you sort of get into a thing where if you know somebody who's well-known, they can recommend you. And then you get to know the, like I was very good friends with Jay Leno and his wife, Mavis. And I've written jokes for Jay Leno, you know, when he was still doing the tonight show.  Right, that, yeah. Because, you know, just anybody could just sort of like steal somebody else's joke and send it in. They have to know that you're the real deal, and you wrote the joke. Right, right, right. So you began touring around the country when you did it? Yeah, I toured all over the United States, Canada, even Mexico, like the resorts had comedians. I was in the west end of London. They had a club there for a while. And I was very popular in the Cayman Islands. Really? Yes. You know what? Or just... They had so many Americans there, because I guess for the offshore banking and whatever. Although if you go there, there's no actual banks. It's a post office boss. No, yeah. Even the law firms there, we always joke that it's great to be a Cayman Islands lawyer because you spend your whole day on the golf course because it's just really a mailing address. That's true. You just, you know, issue an opinion every now and then. And avoid subpoenas. Yeah, it's just, it's like, it's almost, it's better than here. It's almost more, because you're insulated a little bit. So was it, so this was in the 80s. So was it difficult as a woman to, yes. Yes. Again? Yeah, they would, there were different standards for women and for men. Like guys could basically get up and tell all kinds of jokes, especially if it was a club where, you know, there was no censorship. Whereas at the same club, you know, women would come in and half the time the manager would say, no, don't talk about this, don't talk about that.  No, now Amy Schumer has blazed a trail for a lot of women in comedy. But in those days, you know, it just wasn't done. And then Roseanne came along and was like a big tough guy in a dress. Right, right, right, right. So, such a powerhouse. That's so interesting that the owners would think that they could censor what your material.  You know, there's no swearing as you would find in a normal comedy club. Right. But even here, they have a lot of comedy on the military basis and for military personnel here. And it's very serious. They don't want any swearing. You know, they have a certain standard that has to be upheld.  Well, that's... Well, you know, this is kind of an interesting topic because Bill Mares won't play college campuses anymore because they're too politically correct and so he has to guard what he says.  I mean... Yeah. I mean, it's a joke. It's a joke. It's a joke. I think that there are...  Although you find that if you watch somebody that's on Seth Meyers at late night, it'll be a little bit more raunchy than the stuff that was earlier. Yeah, like it's little by little, gradations, yeah. Yeah. And there are a lot of comics that started out as lawyers. That's right. Well, we'll have to talk about those when we come back. You're watching Life in the Low with Marion Sasaki and Martha Jane Uran. Yes. And we'll be right back after a few moments. Aloha. My name is Reg Baker and I'm the host of Business in Hawaii with Reg Baker. We broadcast live every Thursday at 2 o'clock. We highlight businesses and individuals that are successful in Hawaii and we learn their secrets to their success. I hope you can join us and listen in because we always have a pack of information on successful stories in Hawaii. Aloha. Hi, this is Jane Sugimura. I'm the co-host for Kondo Insider and we're on Think Tech Hawaii every Thursday at 3 o'clock and we're here to talk about condominium living and issues that affect condominium residents and owners and I hope you'll join us every week on Thursday. Aloha. You're watching Think Tech Hawaii offering lifelong learning from passionate hosts and fascinating guests ready to explore and explain Hawaii's place in the 21st century. Great content for Hawaii from Think Tech. Aloha. I'm Marion Sasaki. You're watching Life in the Law in Think Tech. We're talking to Martha J. Iran about what lawyers that became comics. So who are the... Is there anybody I would know? I think maybe Brad Garrett was one of them. Oh, really? Yeah. They just... You were talking about like the ability to perform. Lawyers have an ability to perform and sometimes, you know, they take it another step and... Well, you know, I can... You know, going to law school is such an eye-opener. I can definitely say... I know somebody who became an actor instead of going to law school because they really were really... I mean, it's really hard and really miserable and if you don't love it or you don't want to love it or you don't think you can use it, you're better off doing something you love like comedy or acting or something like that. So tell me about... You're like TV shows, the TV shows you were on. Did you have a type? Sitcoms. Okay. I was in a sitcom called Lenny which was a CBS primetime show and it starred Lenny Clark who was a well-known comedian from Boston and I played the obnoxious neighbor and I had to do it in a Boston accent which was easy for me to do because I'm from there and I played Mrs. Margaret Lubey. Was it on for a while? A year. Oh, that's not bad. And then it happened that it was during the first Gulf War and when the show was on was when the Skud missiles were attacking and so the ratings were low. Oh, that's too bad. You know, it's heartbreaking. I know people work so hard they make pilots and the pilots don't get picked up. Oh, I did a few pilots that didn't get picked up and you never know. I think that's heartbreaking. Especially if you go out and buy a new car and then you get to pay for it. Well, yeah. Which I did. You shouldn't. You shouldn't count your chickens before they hatch.  No, no, no, no, no. Well, maybe there was but I was never invited on to it. It's like me. I say I can never make a living off my body. Everybody always wants in my mind. When I was a kid I could always make a living off my body, you know. Oh, I had a joke. I used to do a trailer part character in my act and her favorite song was He May Be On My Body But It's You That's On My Mind. That's funny. So now what happened when I started comedy was so different now. Like if you read Amy Schumer's book and I think she's a great comic. The comics now have to go out and literally provide the audience for the club. Wow, that's hard. Very hard. When I did it on Monday night and this is in Los Angeles on Monday night you went to the comedy store on Tuesday night you went to the Laugh Stop in Encino and on Wednesday night it was another place down in Newport Beach and then on Thursday night you went to the Ice House in Pasadena. But comedy was so popular. I mean I used to go to comedy shows. I haven't been to a comedy show in probably 25 or 30 years but you know I remember when I was growing up there were comedy clubs all over the place everybody went. So what do you think happened? Well I think there was a proliferation of comedians. Like when I did it it was very easy to get work. You know once you were known because they knew you would do a good job and that you know things were okay. I will tell you about the time I got fired. Oh okay. Alright I went to this club it was in Binghamton New York and the weeks usually went like Tuesday through Sunday so Tuesday night I thought the show had gone really really well and then Wednesday morning I get a call in my hotel room the holiday in and it's the manager of the club and she said we need you to come over and I went oh maybe I have to do some publicity or something. Right. So I get there and she's got cash on her desk and she says we're going to pay you for the whole week but you know we don't need you. Really? I said do you mean I'm fired? She said yes and I was so hurt. I said well what's wrong?  That's hilarious. True story. True story. That is hilarious. Well at least you got paid for the week. Then it gets better. Then it gets better. I get in my car and I go down and all the comedians in New York used to hang out in front of the improv or in the improv you know the lounge there and one of the comedians who had a drinking problem had gone on a binge and so they called up the club to see if anybody was available for the rest of the week to go and fill in for the comedian that was on the binge so I worked there I got paid twice that week. Oh that's terrific. Not always did those things happen. No because I mean my little knowledge of like I had some knowledge with like rock and roll shows and that kind of thing and it was always get the money get the money first because if you don't get the money first you can never be sure Oh yeah don't take a check from a nightclub owner. Right no definitely not. So what would you tell some young woman like what would you advise people who wanted to do comedy now? I mean I wouldn't know I wouldn't know because I think you have to have like I think you have to be famous before you get famous I mean people have plucked from YouTube all the time. I think YouTube would be a good way to go because you know you're out there you're responsible for your material I think a lot of people have trouble writing material and they have these schools to teach people how to do comedy and you know I think it's better if you just do it on your own rather than try and submit to a formula. Right right well you know the thing is you're so educated you're educated you know I mean I think what's behind good comedy is intelligence and behind good paralegals are also intelligent and I wonder do you ever feel overly qualified as a paralegal like I have had this glamorous field and you know the hardest thing for me as a paralegal is the legal sites you know like you know Hawaii 30 1982 Citation yeah because I was never trained to do that that's a whole separate field and requires a very immense knowledge so I have to rely on assistance from either the attorney I'm working for or one of the associate attorneys But there are lacks I think in Hawaii about citations and somebody told me that I don't know I was on a journal in law school so I learned how to blue book and I do it the same every time and nobody's ever said anything so I'm assuming it's probably okay but I know that they're not at least in the state courts they're not tremendous sticklers for you know parallel citations and you know jump citations and things like that so who so people in the office help you with the sites yes yes and do you know how to use Lexis um vaguely I find as you know one of our colleagues David that's a Mia right has shown me how to access reference materials through the bar association and I find that that's a little bit easier and also less costly to the law firm right to be able to be assisted by the bar David was a paralegal and he became a lawyer I can't imagine he teaches paralegal now at the university right right which by the way KCC it is KCC yes yes is a terrific university for paralegals it's I think world-regarded it's widely known yes renowned and um several of paralegals in our office Laurel have I guess certificates from there yeah and they have to take a test I think it's called PACE P-A-C-E right and they're entitled to write that after their name but do you think that do you think you don't you don't really do you need that do you need to go to paralegal school do you think right I mean I would know the first think about helping somebody go through a bankruptcy I don't know anything about it right I don't know about registering deeds other than my own condo right you know these are things that definitely need to be taught by somebody who knows what they're doing right um but see so there's room for all sorts of people in the paralegal support on the case and how it's going the background what happened what are the issues so I can do that sort of thing um and I'm good at that I have a facility for remembering certain stupid things why I don't know it's trivia but I right right well I think you know and I'm not saying you're older I'm putting me myself in the same category you know I think this um really affects your memory I think that you know having had to I mean when I was a kid you have to concentrate you have to memorize poems for example and memorize things and it was much more you know an athletic work out I think for the mind then now it's really everything is in short bites and it's kind of distracting I have never tweeted I don't do it I don't even like texting I think it's like if you want to call me pick up the phone I'll answer the phone but everybody under 30 is completely opposite but I see all these people like practically getting killed walking across the crosswalk I know you know texting and entering things they're not looking around somebody's going to get hurt but don't you think we'll have to take the case a law firm law firm should be technologically savvy though I think a modern law firm is a technologically savvy law firm I think yes yes well you've got to have people who know how to do these things you know it's like you know and everybody went from selectric typewriters to first it was like the DOS system and computers and then you know everything that we have now first all the lawyers wanted word perfect now they're all in word right you know you have to sort of keep up with what's going on so let me ask you a question the preponderance of people in paralegal that are practicing paralegals of women right yes do you think that depresses the salary do you think if there were more men in the field would that be great because I think the salaries should be more higher because they really are kind of like quasi you know they do a lot of work that attorneys do you know yeah I think that I knowing some of the paralegals who are male I don't think they make any more money than the female paralegals I think but I mean the fact that there are so many women in the profession itself depresses the profession you know what I mean I don't know I you know like nursing historically didn't pay well and teaching and these fields that women entered but I'm you know I see I see I'm such a feminist I see discrimination lurking around every corner well you know I went to Harvard and when I was there it's when Harvard and Radcliffe merged and we always did a big zip compared to the scholarship money available to men at Harvard because when women graduated from Harvard they didn't usually make a lot of money whereas men go into business and have a lot of money to leave the school I was just reading an article in Today's New York Times it was fascinating about the dearth of women billionaires apparently there's a the number of billionaires that are women are tiny infinitesimal fraction compared to how many men and obviously I post that on my Facebook page women have to learn how to deal with money in a aggressive hard-headed way and not shy away from dealing with money you know and ask for what they're worth this is like one of my big issues the leaning in kind of thing so I thought it was pretty interesting but that would make sense that women who graduated from Radcliffe in the 70s it would have been they were just fighting their way into the corporate world to get jobs or they'd marry a guy from Harvard it happened get an MRS degree I just before we go I'd just like to say I'm a member of the Hawaii women lawyers and we have a luncheon series every month and we email women lawyers to come and attend and there are great speakers and I urge everybody out there to come and attend I promised the women lawyers I would mention this on my show today hopefully we'll be able to get here as well but and you should come too even though it's women lawyers I think they accept anybody it's just kind of depends on whether or not you're charging them to get in and they'll take any money they'll take right exactly exactly but thank you so much for joining us today oh thank you for asking me it's always so fascinating to find people stories and how they make their way and so thank you for fascinating show you're very