Oh, and they've fallen behind on Emerald City. Yeah. So are you, you were watching that? You like I'm watching it because I missed I because I don't have all the premium channels when they started. I would I missed out on the ground floor of Game of Thrones, AMC, and I just don't want to be caught anymore. I just want to be at least even if it's crappy. And I actually it's kind of weird. I actually that show is growing on me. Yeah. Are you have you been watching Legion because Legion is great. What is Legion Legion FX. Yeah, it's on FX. It's a it's an X-Men show, but it's not set in the X-Men universe. It's sort of like a parallel universe. And Legion is a character from the comics and he has. Oh, OK, OK. Fine powers and it's really pretty great.  Definitely perfect. Like I watched the pilot and I enjoyed it, but I haven't actually got back and everyone keeps telling me I need to because they're like it gets more fun. And yet it's they're like it's uneven. But you're you're going to it's going to be worth it. So I really need to get back to it. Yeah. And it's only eight episodes. So you can just like yeah, pop it down in a weekend. Then I've been kind of glued with the CW because I've been with all those all the superhero DC shows so long. I've just kind of now just it's more of a habit than actual any strong. I mean, you're watching Supergirl. Are you? Yes, I actually like Supergirl. I am really surprised. I thought it would be. I thought it would have been crappier because the first pilot episode kind of gave me the feel like, oh, it's going to be like Lois and Clark. Yeah, like that's the feeling I got. But it's gotten it's it's one of the. So this is the thing I have with CW shows is it was start off middling and then they get good and but then they drop back down. Right.  You get to the high point that starts it. Supergirl is just kind of almost exponentially. It moves from strength to strength. I feel like I feel like Supergirl is like the teen vogue of TV shows where you're like, wait, really? Supergirl is doing that. OK. Yeah. I think that's a really good comparison. Yeah. It's fun. It's a fun show. Yeah. Like it has its flaws and its shallowness from time to time. But there's so much cool stuff going on and I just love all the characters. And when I watch it along with Flash, it is great. Well, you know, the thing is so many of the Supergirl shows and especially DC are so broody that it just gets you kind of fatigued. It's like I get it. The world's messed up. You're angry, nothing works right no matter what you want to do. It's like, fine, but you're making me you're not making me happy that I'm watching your show. That's what the arrow arrow has. Like I there's like every season needs a primary angst, but then it has a then it has a secondary angst to go along with it. So everything's angsty. Is this like, oh, no, it's the A angst and the B angst plot. Like then you just switch to the bank. And, you know, Flash is kind of going that way now, too, because like everything's my fault. It guy cries more often than I don't know what. My wife's problem with Flash is she's like he was so worked up about changing the timeline and then suddenly the whole plot hinges on him changing the timeline. She's like, what's that about? It's weird. Well, it's not even changing. It's trying to trying to predict and I don't know, it's just weird. Well, if you're wondering where Patrick is, those of you joining just now, he got bit by the time zone change. So he is racing back to his studio and we were going to start the show as soon as he gets here. Poor guy who's going to be out of breath. Play the soundtrack to the French connection, even though they're going to take place in France. That's all right. It's he's our French connection because he is connected to the show and he is French. I'm on the metro. He was so panicked. He's like, I thought it was only a half hour early. I'm like, yeah, which is in five minutes. He's like time zone. I'm like, I forgot to tell you to remind you. So and we have to get done by two o'clock. So it's our own version of a DTNS heist. We don't we don't have to get done. It's we have to get done recording in time for me to then publish it by two o'clock. So we're we can do it. I know we can. Look, he made it. Sorry, we're done. Yeah, you're only like four minutes late. That's like way faster than I expected. Yeah. Well, I'm sorry. Did you teleport just running? I tried. It didn't work like blinking. I'll need control when you get a chance. Tom, all right. Take a moment to catch your breath, Patrick. It's fine. I'll edit the fine. I'll edit the text. Oh, yeah, you want me to help you put in some line breaks? OK, I'm halfway there. I might stumble a couple of times because I didn't read it at all. That's OK. I gave you the first one, though. So that's good. All right. I said I gave you the PlayStation one, which you already know. Cool. All right. I am ready to go. I'm ready whenever you guys are. This is proof I was born ready that you were born ready, Patrick. Hey, Annalie. Hi, Patrick. Yeah, nice to see you. All right. All right. Three, two. This show is brought to you by audience members like me, not outside organizations. To find out more, go to daily tech news show dot com slash support. This is the Daily Tech News for Tuesday, March 14th, 2017. I'm Tom Merritt racing in against time. Literally, we'll explain in a second. Patrick Beja is with us from Paris. How are you doing, Patrick? I'm cursing Daylight Savings and it's one hour discrepancy with what I thought the show time was going to be. And I'm also very sad that I had to rush out of the theater midway through Logan, which was really good. Yeah, it is really good. Well, now I'm going to have to go back to see the ending. Well, other voice you're hearing is culture editor at Ars Technica, Annalie Newitz joining us again on the show. Annalie, thank you for joining us as well. Of course, thanks. We have got a lot to get to, including human tissue grown on robots. So let's not delay. Microsoft is rolling out its slack like collaborative software called Teams for no additional charge to all Office 365 users. You may remember Microsoft launch teams in preview back in November. Now, if you pay for Office 365, you get to use Teams. They also launched one hundred and fifty third party integrations from companies like Zendesk and Hootsuite. In fact, our own Veronica Beaumont's Grobot project launched on Teams today as well. This is that continuing surge by other companies to move in on that collaborative communication software that Slack and Discord and others have been paving the trail for. And I don't know that there is any catching slack, but maybe there's a niche to be carved for other players, especially in the context of offering that integrate pretty well with everything else. So maybe, you know, Office is obviously has a foothold in offices and in businesses all around the world. So maybe. And I think it's also just that now any buddy who's working in a company is kind of expecting to use this software. So I think Microsoft, they are behind the curve, but, you know, it makes sense that they would do this. I honestly can't see them catching up to Slack because you can already use 360 and Slack.  I'm not sure. Maybe just to have it be more seamlessly integrated like you were saying. I think there's a there's one advantage just very quickly to the Microsoft ecosystem. And that's the company directory, which is always super useful on all of the, especially if you work in a large company, maybe a small one doesn't. Sorry, I have to catch my breath. I'm definitely not Logan. Well, maybe in the beginning or are you, yeah, or maybe I'm trying to deceive you. I haven't viewed, right. So the the directory, the company directory is super useful in a big company. I know that when I was working at Blizzard Entertainment, for example, it was invaluable because I sometimes didn't know who I was getting at a meeting with or, you know, all these things. And in fact, doesn't really have this at this point. I don't think I think the big advantage for Microsoft here or the big opportunity, I should say, not advantage is for companies that aren't on Slack. Somebody who's already a Microsoft client has been hearing about Slack, hasn't implemented it. Now they have an easy thing that they can implement. That is part of the suite of software that they already understand. And I think they'll get some take up there. And also eventually it's going to work with your HoloLens, right?   Talk about your corporate directory, right?  I'm sorry, I couldn't help but chuckle when you said HoloLens. Users of Gmail for Android can now send or request money from anyone using Google Wallet. You use the attach feature and choose send money instead of attach file. It works to any email address and Google integrated wallet into Gmail in 2013. But this is the first time it's offered the integration on mobile. And to start with its US only. So this is a very small rollout in a lot of ways. But another example of companies trying to catch up and getting into the game, this time the game that Venmo has sort of paved the way for. I mean, it seems obvious to have it on mobile because that's exactly when you want to be able to pay your friend for half of dinner or whatever is on your phone. So to me, it made complete sense. And I've never, I think I would be a good user for this because I've never really declared allegiance to a particular app for giving people 10 bucks or whatever. So I mean, I've tried a couple, but so yeah, I'll probably be, I'll probably just do it because I do everything that Google tells me. Are you already set up on Google wallet? I am about to be set up on Google wallet. So yeah, this is my final frontier, yeah. Right, they get everything. Yeah, they have my money too. That they, it's not, you know, the tiny amount of friction that these things create is too much for us to, you know, use it in that. Well, I'm sure some people do, but I'm sure most people, if you have to give 10 bucks to a friend they are gonna pull out the bill and give it out when it should be just as easy to do it like that. Yeah, maybe. A Kickstarter project called the I promises to add Android to your iPhone, sort of. It's an iPhone case that has its own five inch AMOLED screen and runs Android. So one side of your phone, when it's in the case, runs Android, it is in fact an Android phone. The other side is still your iPhone and runs iOS. But the case will let the two devices share the speaker and therefore the headphone jack, microphone, cameras, and then the Android side can also take advantage of two SIM card slots, so you have three SIM cards in there. Micro SD card, a three and a half millimeter headphone jack, IR blaster, NFC of its own, and a separate 2800 milliamp hour battery with wireless charging. So they can say a lot of things like add wireless charging to your iPhone, kind of. The early bird price is $95 without LTE or you can get a case that has its own LTE connection for $129, that's where the SIM card slots come in. That goes up to $189 without LTE after the early bird is over. ST is the company, ESTI, they've never done anything before and they hope to ship to backers in August or September. I can't tell if this is so crazy it just might work or just crazy. No, it's crazy and it's really, really dumb. I don't, I mean, I don't see anyone actually wanting. So for people who don't have visuals on this, it actually makes your phone, it adds a screen on the back of your phone so both sides of your phone have a screen. Yeah, just what you wanted. You know, I can't think of any iPhone user. You can never pick it up without accidentally activate it. I can't think of any iPhone user who would want to use something so complicated that they would do this. If they want to use Android, they're probably gonna go to Android and this is like half baked, cumbersome, not super, and it's easier to have two phones. I don't, I mean, there must be 10 people in the world who actually, well, more because they're actually getting some money on the Kickstarter, but- I mean, as someone who's used an Android and an iPhone, the idea of the two phones being together is appealing to me. See, I don't want an iPhone. Like, I mean, I know they're supposedly great or whatever, but I already have an Android phone, but here was my question for you guys is, couldn't this be Android on one side, Android on the other side, and your crappy I, the I thing, the case phone, couldn't that be like a burner? And so you could just sort of like, when you need to go out and like buy drugs with Bitcoin, you like slap that on, and then you have that and then you can kind of take it off again, or is that- Well, yeah, you get a burner SIM card and keep it in the case, and it's easier to manage. Yeah, so- Why? And not tools in earlier days. So you could have a personal phone on one side and then a SIM card for your burner and a SIM card for your work phone on the other. Yeah, that's what I was wondering. It's like that I could actually see, or not even for doing something nefarious, but just if you wanted to have one phone that was just for privacy, just transactions you didn't want to show up on your personal phone or your work phone. That I could see, but I just don't know if this is a good enough phone for that to even be worthwhile, you know? I mean, I'm sure there are gonna be, there are gonna be, you know, 15 people, or okay, 1,000 people for whom they have, you know, very specific use cases, you know, drug dealers, or maybe that's more than 1,500 people. Let's just say, Bitcoin people in general, they're not just drugs. They're all breaking the law. There's good reasons to, you know, what is cryptocurrency, so, you know.  I mean, yes, maybe someone who needs this and that and the other thing, and also wants to use their iPhone for some reason and bulk it up with another screen.  I think it's gonna show up in the next Fast and the Furious movie, and like, that's just gonna happen, and it's gonna be like some character's gonna like whip it out and be like, boom, now I have an Android phone, and then that'll be it. I have a Fast Android phone and a Furious iPhone, all in one. Obviously, who's gonna care, except nerds like us, that one phone has one side iPhone and one side Android? Really, like anyone other than us? It's the main DLT of phone cases. All right, at a talk at an economic club of New York, luncheon, luncheon, luncheon? Luncheon. Luncheon. I don't know what that is. It's a word we borrowed from the French, I'm not surprised it tripped you. Dijonais. Oh, yes, okay. Airbnb Brian Chesky hinted that the company may pursue an IPO in 2018. Chesky stated that it would be a two-year process and saw the company as halfway through that time. Based on its latest funding round, the company has an estimated value of $31 billion. So we might get another high profile. What are these called mega unicorns when they're worth more than $10 billion? Mega corn? I mean, this is just one of those, this is him floating the waters to see what the interest is. That's what it sounds like. Everybody's been wanting us to do an IPO. We might like do it, what do y'all think? Yeah, I mean, also they're just trying to get over all the bad publicity that they had last year. They were mired in lawsuits in San Francisco. And I think there were problems in New York as well. And there's all these questions about whether municipalities are even gonna allow Airbnb to function the way the company wants to function in those areas. So this is a perfect time for them to kind of shift the conversation to say, but look how much money we're worth. It's true, we might not be able to work in San Francisco, but don't pay attention to that. They did settle with the city of San Francisco, but I think there's still a lot of open questions about how it's gonna work. You know, I think it's really interesting just to finish up when you compare it to Uber because the two have a somewhat similar profile, not the same prospects, not the same potential, but Airbnb really looks like the adult Uber. And yes, they have issues with some companies. You can absolutely see how it could have gone the way of Uber with administrative issues and all of these problems, but they worked with the governments, with the local administrations, and they are smoothing things over. And that's what we're seeing in San Francisco and in many other cities. So I think this is a much more, it's kind of the two sides of the same phone. No, the same phone. No, that's the new one. I think you're right. Yeah, it's two companies that are kind of disrupting these really old spaces. And these are companies that are coming into businesses that have traditionally been kind of city-based businesses, really regional and local, like cabs are often run by cities just like hotels kind of, you know, cities regulate them. So it's interesting to see this multinational companies kind of coming in and getting really hyper-local and having to cope with that.  Well, that's not gonna go that far. Maybe not entirely, maybe not entirely. Is there something in between angel and devil? Whatever that is, they're like sort of like a city. They're the purgatory residence. They're like Godzilla on one side and like, you know. All right, folks, this is right out of our analysts' slack. Folks who support us at a certain level on Patreon get in a slack and someone in there found a hush-me product on Product Hunt. It's a mask for mobile phones. It claims to use an exclusive passive voice suppression and active voice masking technology. And basically it makes you look like Bane, but promises to stop people from being able to hear your conversation. They also claim it's a stylish ergonomic design, although it does cover your entire lower face. Look at this, this is, no. No, nobody's gonna wear that. I just, the sort of the potential for- Your conversation will be more private. Yeah, and just imagine cleaning that up at the end of the day. You're not gonna share it with anyone. Don't look too close at my pop filter already and you'll get an idea. It's disgusting. And then also, one of the things it does is you put it on and then it creates like a masking sound for other people to hear, including like Darth Vader breathing noises or chipmunk noises or monkey noises.  So that- It certainly won't bother other people, will it? No, it sounds completely non-disruptive. Yeah. I'll be honest, like their proposition in this video is me. I'm the person who doesn't like having my phone conversation when there's other people around to hear it. I don't like disrupting other people. I don't like the idea that people are listening to what I'm saying, even if it's fairly bland. I'd rather just go outside and talk in private. So for a long time, I've been wanting something that would do what this promises, but this is not, I don't know that this is the way that I wanted to do it. Certainly not with chipmunk noises. This is like the dual case phone thing. It's like someone did it because they could, but it's so dumb. I mean, I don't wanna sound super old, again, Logan, but like back in my day, people used to get up and get out of the office, the space, whatever, when they wanted to have a conversation. And of course, everyone does it. You said, I'm that use case. Everyone is, everyone does that and no one wants to be the one making too much noise or being heard.  Or it just like reads your jaw movements and can replicate your voice. So it, you know, or something like that, sure. Absolutely. But I don't even have that be a little bigger than that. Although ideally, yeah, something unobtrusive. What if you had something that was like a tiny keyboard and you could use it to silently type to other people? I don't know. It could work. I would never work, Adelie. I would have horrible typos. Oh, wait. I think we need robots that read our lips and then type it quickly for us. Yes. On the PlayStation blog, Sony announced it will begin a private beta for PS4 games on its PlayStation Now game streaming service. Current subscribers to the service will get access to the beta first. Sony did not reveal which games would be available. PlayStation Now recently reduced its ability to PS4 and Windows PC. The service costs a hundred bucks a year or $20 a month. Now yesterday, we mentioned this because it broke right before the show and I incorrectly said that you needed a PS4 to make this work. You can just use this on a PC. Oscar wrote in and asked about that. So a correction to that. You can just use this on a Windows PC. The change is that you can't use it on anything else anymore. It's just the PS4 and the Windows PC. But so with one hand, they give us more PS4 games. It used to be just PS3 games, but they also take it away. Yeah, I mean, what they took away was PS3 and PSV and maybe a couple of TVs. And some broad TVs. Yeah, the TVs is a really interesting device for this. And I think it will come back. Windows, obviously, is a terrific device for this. And even the PS4. And even more interesting, I think I missed the price reduction because a hundred bucks a year starts to come into that zone where it becomes competitive price-wise. It used to be the cheapest you could get was, I think, 45 bucks for three months. So it would come down to 15 a month. But with that yearly option, it's really compelling, I think, and now it all depends on the library of games that are gonna be offering. And you have a lot of competing services being offered to consumers right now. But I think we're getting to the point where we're still in the era, just like for VR, where for computers, it was like Atari ST and Commodore 64 and all of those. And there were a lot of competing things. Ultimately, it unified. I think it might not get there because of all the competing companies, but we're getting into, slowly, into figuring out what consumers, what the market will bear, and what the developers and publishers and manufacturers can offer in response to that. We're getting there. All right, folks, if you wanna get all the tech headlines each day in less than 10 minutes, you can subscribe to dailytechheadlines.com. That's another way to get the news each day. And now we must talk about robots. Pierre Alexis Muthi and Andrew Carr of Oxford, apologies if that pronunciation isn't right, argued in a recent science robotics that humanoid robots could be used to develop better muscle and tendon graphs. And Annaly, you wrote this up for ours, Technica, get ready for robots made with human flesh, which is what they're talking about. Putting human tissue samples onto robots so that you get better tissue replacement. Do I have that right? Yeah, so basically when you grow tissue now for a tissue replacement, regardless of where it is on your body, they're grown in these tanks.  Like a trellis, wow. But the problem is, as these researchers point out, that when it's just growing in a vat, it isn't stretching. And so the way that your cells grow on your body is your body's in constant motion. And so the cells grow in an environment of moving around all the time. And so what they found is that when they don't grow in that sort of motion environment, sometimes the cells don't divide properly. Sometimes there aren't enough cells. It's obviously not the right environment for them. So their big idea was let's attach this tissue that we're growing to a robot, a humanoid robot that would be moving around. And so say you're getting joint replacement tissue attached to the elbow of the robot. The robot is doing, here's my elbow. Look, look, here is how an elbow works, kids. Yeah, right. And so pretend I'm a robot. And so it would be moving around and you'd get your tissue and it would have been essentially pre-stretched, pre-worn tissue that would be perfectly built for your body, for the part of your body it's gonna go on. And it would be much healthier and presumably better for you in the long run. But the thing I loved about this article is they kind of go through all the medical benefits and they're like, look, it would be transplants. And then they're like, also this could help us build humanoid robots by the way, just sort of at the end, like in the final paragraph.  And so they said, well, but cells are really good at stretching. So they're kind of proposing the Terminator literally, which I think is kind of great because it is true that, you know, muscles are really good at stretching. And if you could attach them to robots, you know, you'd get a really efficient, you know, stretchy actuator there. So, yeah, it's a good glimpse at where we're headed. Start by tempting people in with tissue implants and then end up with that. It's perfectly reasonable. Like we just wanna make better tissue replacement, which is true. Like this is all true. This is all good stuff. But I love how you're right. They just sort of at the end, like maybe the editor won't read all the way to the end. Also, we could have skin on robots. Exactly.  Although I guess that sounds really creepy now that I've said that out loud. But yeah, so, but the first step was definitely just for better implants. And you can kind of imagine that they might even put a robot arm inside of a bioreactor. So you might have that kind of fish tank just with an arm in it, kind of exercising the cells. So it wouldn't necessarily be like, Terminator is lumbering around, wearing your future elbow or whatever. So you have buff replacement biceps by the time, you know? That would be awesome. It's funny because depending on how you put it, it can be either incredibly common sense or super freaky and terrifying. Because if you think, you know, we have machines that test appliances, right? Sort of machine that has an arm that will open a fridge door a thousand times per hour or the phones that get bent or button presses a million times. This is, you know, depending on how you describe it, again, it could be just that. A machine with a joint that flexes a few times an hour and you grow the skin around it. That's fine, that's perfectly, you know, reasonable. But the way it's presented is more, as you said, Terminator. So I'm not sure how I should approach this and also how far along are they in that process? This is, they're definitely not at the stage where they're attaching tissues to robotic limbs. They're saying in this article, they're saying, look, we actually have all the technology to do this right now, so why don't we try it out? So they have the bioreactors, they certainly have robotic arms and robotic legs. So why not try putting them together? And then toward the end, they say, but looking to the future, of course, in an area that we definitely were not there yet, this could allow us to think about putting basically biological muscles inside of robots because it is really hard to make an artificial muscle. And we already have some in our bodies, so why not just work with what we've got, you know? So, which like, again, it seems reasonable until you start thinking about what does that mean? Like, what do you get at the end? Is that a human? Is that a robot? It gets philosophical really quickly because first you start with the skin and maybe the muscle and if you add a couple of organs, what is that you're building? And let me throw another ethical conundrum in while we're at it. When I was reading about the fact that when you do these bioreactors, you don't get the proper cell counts and there's some structural problems, I started to think about vat-grown meat, edible vat-grown meat. And I was wondering, oh, well, what if you take the vat-grown meat and put it on a slowly grazing robot to sort of give it that proper structure and cell count and a little marbleization? I mean, are we gonna have robot cows walking around that we can then harvest for burgers? I really hope we are because I think that it's, I mean, it is like, it is an ethical quandary because killing a cow is really different from harvesting chunks of synthetic meat off of a robot, right? Because the robot will be fine. You would just be sort of hanging pieces of tissue on a robot and as the robot moved around, it would treat the tissue and you'd be getting basically death-free steak. So I'm pro that. Do you think you're okay with it, do you think? I mean, I don't really like steak, but I would definitely be happier eating like a synthetically robot-grown steak. It probably beats soy, but who knows? I only see vat-grown steaks. Do you have any robot-exercised steaks available? Exactly. That's what we eat here in Silicon Valley.  And also, another thing that this made me think of, especially when you said pre-worn skin, which feels like pre-worn denim or the things that are not, how do you call it? Like pre-washed or pre-washed, yeah.  You know, the 34 is a little tight. Do you have something a little bit wider around there? Yeah, I think that could make the graft easier. Yeah, that's the idea that you would have something that you would size perfectly. So you'd get a limb that was the right shape and size so that you wouldn't get an elbow that was a little too big or saggy, yeah. So yeah. It's really weird when the robot was growing your new skin graft on one arm and the burger eating on the other. You could have a multi-purpose robot in the house once it gets shaken up. But before that, you have the factory manufacturing of all of these skin grafts. And by that time, the really rich can get it to their specific measurements, but the poorer people have to get the factory. No, there's a whole piracy thing with people illegally downloading celebrity measurements for their robots. Mm-hmm. I want a celebrity arm totally.  Are you sure that's a Shirley's Theron elbow or did you download that on Pirating? Yeah, where did you get that skin from? I'm looking forward to people pirating body parts. I think that would be great. That's where we're headed with this. I mean, again, imagine where the porn industry will go with that. Oh, please. I think that that imagination has already been happening.  They're gonna be the first to do everything. Absolutely. So yeah, more power to them. Well, thanks to everybody who participates in our subreddit and submit stories and votes on them at dailytechnewshow.reddit.com. We get some of our best conversation starters there. So get in there and vote. A few things before we're out of here. The pick of the day comes from Michael Hastings, a technology and media arts professional who wanted to tell us about Quiver. He comes from Whidbey Island in Washington state, which he calls Green Trees and Hilly, new patron analyst, welcome. Says, I heard about the cowler and wireless complaint in rural areas and thought of a suggestion I use. I have a wireless hub from Airstone. It's, I'm sorry, Airstone, A-Y-R-S-T-O-N-E.com. The hub has a half mile radius. I'm not a farmer, but I use the hub to reach my entire neighborhood. So I don't have to worry about my bad LTE 3G sometimes and maybe 4G signal around the house. And then I use Google Voice for calling over the internet. Yes, I have trees, hills, and so I'm part of the hard to reach area for digital signals. I do have an awesome local phone company that has just updated its internet to the big gig fiber, so we're not lacking. Just can't do digital air signals very well. The biggest limitations of the Airstone hub devices are walls because it will kill the signal really fast. But when at the peak of my house, I get pretty close to the half mile promise. I've used them to help local businesses with wireless video cameras and even an internet phone for a barn. They have mesh extenders, plug-in networks and even camera add-ons, yet it is still almost user proof. I think he means, you know, user mistake. Keep a tech handy if you, oh no, he does mean user proof. He says keep a tech handy if you set something up with a mode with more than three plus backbone devices. But anyway, for rural people, looking for a way to find better connectivity, you might wanna check out Airstone, A-Y-R-S-T-O-N-E.com. Thank you, Michael, for sending that along. And we've got a couple of reactions, actually, to Uptime, the new YouTube app that'll let you watch along with other people. Renard Mayfield said, I know when people used Yahoo Messenger as a separate app and I think in AIM, more often you could put a YouTube link in the box and view the video at the same time. It was fun for people back then, especially when you were chatting with someone that wasn't in the same city as you. As messengers began to change and also as mobile became more prevalent, I stopped seeing this. I can remember when I downloaded those separate messengers, heck, I don't even have Skype on my computer separately anymore. I use their web-based browser version. And then Two Cows Games on Twitter said about YouTube Uptime, lots of couples watch shows together but can't always be together in person. This would allow you to do that easily. So there you go, one blast from the past and one current use for Uptime. I certainly thought of these old methods for doing exactly that when you were discussing it yesterday, I think it was. But I'm with you guys. I think it's a great idea in theory, but in reality, the barrier of having to say, oh, I'm gonna be on at that time and for this and let's get together on the, it's a little bit, maybe there are again a few edge cases where a long distance relationship, you wanna be watching the same thing and then are you gonna be watching YouTube, maybe Netflix, but YouTube, I'm not so, so sure. And still, and anyway, you can do that by launching the thing at the same time and calling each other on whatever VoIP service you want.  Yeah, it seems like a cute gimmick that's like looking for a reason to exist, you know? So yeah, I don't know about it being a way of not cheating on your spouse with TV because we all say that, right? Like, I cheated on you. I watched that episode. I could see maybe like if you wanted to get together and all do like a mystery science theater type thing where you were like all doing commentary on something, but again, Netflix would make more sense, not really YouTube. I mean, back in the early 90s, I used to get on the phone with my friend across town in Austin and we'd watch episodes of Northern Exposure together just over the air broadcast at the same time. Nice. But you know, I did that with that one person once over the maybe three or four times, right? And so I don't know that, I don't know that there's enough sustained interest in it. Exactly. I think there are some use cases and it's trying to replicate something that can be done in the real, you know, in meat space, robot worn or not, but it's the wide range appeal and long-term interest that it seems we're all doubtful of. But that said, it's an incubator project, right? Cool thing for them to try and put out there and see. Maybe we're wrong. Yeah. Thank you, Annalie Newitz for joining us. Ars Technica, of course, is one place to find her fine works. Anything to tell folks about in particular? Well, definitely look for me on Ars Technica and I have a novel coming out in September, which is in fact about robots wearing human flesh. So. It is for real? Yes, it is actually about robots and some of them are wearing human flesh. Or wearing human flesh. That's fantastic. I had no idea. That's great. So when does that novel come out? Does it have a title yet? It has a title. It's called Autonomous and it's coming out in September and you can pre-order it now. Oh, fantastic. So go look up Autonomous by Annalie Newitz. In fact, we'll dig up a link and stick it in the show notes as well. Oh, I can show you. I have the galley. Oh, yeah. Let's see it. Here's the galley. We'll describe it. This is not what the final cover will look like. My name will be a lot smaller. Just the galley. If you're listening on audio, it's a disembodied hand under the name Annalie Newitz and above the name Autonomous. Disembodied robot hand, I should say. Yes. That's fantastic. Congratulations. Go check it out Autonomous by Annalie Newitz and you can pre-order it for September 19th release. Patrick Bezier, what's going on with you? Well, when I'm not running out of theaters to attend a Detect News show, I do a few shows of my own. One you might be interested in is Pixels, where we discussed last week the switch, along with Zelda, with our good friend Scott Johnson. And I heard, as I said yesterday's episode, and it seems the switch is not leaving the news cycle.  It's available at Frenchspin.com, along with a couple of other shows you might enjoy. I also was going to mention that today is the day that my own novel, Pilot X, is out, which you can get at audible.com, as well as on Amazon. And I actually have found it on the shelf at bookstores. So if you're interested in a novel about time travel, you can check that out as well. The cover is beautiful too. Oh yeah, Dan Stiles did the cover. He's amazing. Gorgeous. Yeah, awesome. Thanks to everybody who supports this show, dailytechnewshow.com, slash support. That includes Rolando Natalizia and David Jones and Eric Johnston, among many others. If you want to support the show, jump in and help them, patreon.com, slash DTNS. Our email address is feedback at dailytechnewshow.com. We're live Monday through Friday, 4.30 p.m. Eastern at alphageekradio.com and diamondclub.tv. And our website is dailytechnewshow.com. We'll be back tomorrow with Scott Johnson or a skin covered Scott Johnson role. This show is part of the Frog Pants Network. Get more at frogpants.com. Bob, I hope you have enjoyed this novel. All right, now the race against the database change begins. Level eight. All right, show brought titles real quick. Let's see. Paulus at seven, yo. We heard you like phones, so we put a phone in your phone so you can call while you call. It's long, but I love it. There's also brushing nesting phones. Why did you skip over DSD1 Patrick Zero? DSD1 under Patrick Zero. Happy Patrick. Thank you. The bait of public calls. Get it. Get it. Yes. Meet the robot, NEAT, the robot. Oh, my God. That's so bad. Yeah, I got to admit it's pretty good. Do electric cows, dream of human skin, AI in the flesh, free range mech-a-cow. But I like free range mech-a-cow. Yeah, that's a good one. That's my next band. Free range mech-a-cow. Opening up at the DNA lounge. Do androids eat electric cows, pirated celebrity bodies, robo-stilt skin. Robo-stilt skin. Robots in meat space. Robots will be happy to meet you. Skin deep AI. Real skin on a, wait. Real skin on a robot. Got a ton of them in there. Robot burgers, slowly greasing. Robot, body, parts, pirates. And I'm just like, I'm buying Tom's novel right now. This looks awesome. Oh, thank you. Yeah. I could have said you won. No. OK, come on, Amazon. Give me a thing. Be a good Amazon. Awesome. I'm even getting the paper version. Whoa, collector's item. I know. I just, the cover is so great. Do you read mostly on just books, books? Or do you kind of read? I kind of read a lot. But I actually, if I can get a paperback, I kind of like that. But I do both. And I guess I can start reading this on my tablet. Wait, let's see how that works. No. No, no, it'll let me. Why not? No, it will. Yeah, it gives you a link. I've never done that before. That's cool. I like that. Yeah. Start reading. Give it to me. When I got to hear the audiobook for the first time, I'd actually talked to the narrator they got for it. Oh, cool. But I hadn't heard his finished product until today when they put the sample up. And it's great. He did a wonderful, he did a fantastic job. Cool. Yeah, I'm hoping. I don't know if my novel is going to have an audiobook. I hope it does, but I do not know. It's kind of early for them to have decided, I think. Yeah, that was one of the last things they put together for me. Yeah. This looks awesome. Well, I can't start reading yours yet, but I'm definitely too bad. No, I'm sorry. Yeah, we don't even have all we have is the galley. And so I don't think ARCs even exist for a while. But I will make sure that you get one if you want to read about flesh robots. Totally. I didn't even realize that. Here's a little flesh robot. Oh. Two or just one. I forgot how many cats you have. I have two little flesh robots. This is space, and time is the nice one. Yeah, if you're only listening, she's got a cat. Oh, you called your. Yes, I called my cat space and time. Hey, what do we decide on the title? Free-range mech-a-cow? We haven't yet. I'm still waiting. Free-range mech-a-cow. Yeah? OK, good. Come on, yeah. Done. Oh, no, Patrick Froze, unless that's a he's doing a. Meditation. Yeah, he's he's imagining the ending of Logan. That's so true. Yeah, because it's like, well, anyway, yeah, he'll get an action packed finale. Now I'll have to go. He'll have to go back, though. I didn't realize I thought he was we he was done with the theater and was running back. I didn't realize he was in the theater. Yeah, in the middle of the movie. Oh, man. And then, yeah, his internet must have just gone out right at the last moment. Thank goodness it lasted through the show. Yeah. OK, I'm going to go back to work. All right. Thanks, Annalee. Yeah, thanks for having me. It's always funny to see you. Let me know when you're down to the LA area. Are you in LA for real? That doesn't seem real. Glendale. Glendale. Oh, yeah. North of LA. I've spent some time in Glendale. I'm, yeah. Very suburban. Yeah, that's right. I mean, it's nice. You're from Irvine? No, wait, not Irvine. I am. I'm from Irvine. But through a series of complicated things, I often meet up with family in Glendale, which has to do with the Glendale airport mostly. So, yeah. So I've actually had a lot of. Oh, hello, Patrick. Oh, now it seems my internet exploded as I was marveling at your naming of your cats. Well, the space time continuum was interrupted, so. Probably, yeah. Yeah. So I had issues with my internet earlier today. It seems exploded again as the show was ending, basically. Oh, well, thank goodness we had to. Sorry. Yeah. I didn't mean to interrupt, but. No, anyway, I'm going to take off. It was nice to meet you, Patrick. You too. Sorry, it was so short and I had to run and was out of breath. Au revoir. Bye. Oh, wow. Oh, man, I feel so bad making you miss the end of the movie. Now you have to pay another ticket or something. You can expense this. Well, yeah. Well, it's OK. It's not too expensive. I took a credit card with Nazi. Still. But, yeah. I admire your dedication to the show. This internet not working. Yeah, that's annoying. I said I admire your dedication to the show that you ran out of the actual movie. Yeah, well, I couldn't not. I could I just abandon you? No, that was an option. You're the best. You're the best. Nothing's going to keep Patrick down because. Well, to be honest, this effing internet thing might. So I'm going to try and see what happens. I'm on my cell connection now. OK. I guess I'm going to go and try to figure this out. Yeah, yeah, of course. All right, thanks for the show. It was fun. Yeah, that was a good show. I'm going to talk to you guys soon. All right. Bye, Chaddmerlin. Bye. Bye. OK, OK, Fokie. That is it for us. I'm going to take our stream down so that I can focus on making sure I get this in before 2 PM, which will get it out to you guys. So thanks, everybody, for watching. We'll talk to you tomorrow. Bye.


Straight now to Benway State, a National Assembly member representing Van Dikia, Conchisha, a federal constituency, unable to have a member, has called on the academics to join in revamping the sociopolitical and economic fortunes of the Benye people. It made a call in Makarida State Capitol. It was during an interactive session held with professors, senior lecturers, and lecturers of the various higher institutions it lost to deliberate and seek ways on how they can help with their wealth of ideas to leave Benway State from its abyss into greatness. We need some kind of a paradigm shift where you have very young people sitting in front and have a lift-layer and is not carried away by the extended relations and other people that you need to take care of. They are both here. If you develop infrastructure in terms of agriculture, I think there is a large expense of lots to use. There are programs that you can come up with that will also involve the leaders in the hard mode, in the hard dance, and then in places that they can meet. And so they will be only called invaders. If they know these places and put them into this, it will actually help in reducing the problem of insecurity.  We are so fortunate that when they give them, they are going to vote all these three The reason for us to cry most of this is because we have done a good thing for now. We have not seen a lot of people, it's the players. This has so great a desire to have a generation of business friends. We have shown it in Benway State.


Happy Sunday everybody. So welcome back. Thank you so much for tuning in as always and if you're new to this channel A big massive welcome to you. Thank you so so much for taking your Time out to come and watch this I know some of you are starting university in September And I promised you that I would do you a what to prepare before you start university vlog I'm going to do a checklist as well possibly as well as what you should be doing to prepare Just to help you get settled in and I hope that this really really helps you So firstly a common question I get asked is what should I revise what should I be looking up? What should I be learning before I start university firstly? Chill relax It's okay.  That's fine. I went into university with fresh pair of eyes. I hadn't done the access course for five years I did a little bit of research, but not a lot to be honest before I started university And you do sort of get thrown into it and you do Get to know physiology and the more you revise the more you learn when you're on the degree the more knowledge You gain from it, but I didn't revise anything before starting. I didn't do anything barely I didn't read any books and the easiest option is just don't worry about it And I know that's really easy for me to say But it's it's no biggie if you don't revise or anything before you start uni because everything you need to know you will learn as you go But I know you want to revise So the best place to go for me. This is just my own personal opinion is the Khan Academy. I've said this before I share it on social media I love the Khan Academy. They haven't paid me to say this. I promise it's not a sponsor It's not a shout out anything like that But they've helped me so so much their videos on YouTube their website with their quizzes and everything on is amazing I absolutely adore it and it saved my life of physiology to be honest throughout the whole three years It's really helped me understand everything. I need to know for physiology. It's just an easy way to Explain physiology because they do diagrams and they draw it out and you sort of visualize it And it really really does help you remember. So if you haven't already I know a lot you have go and check that out But everybody learns different So if you don't want to watch a YouTube video and do quizzes online If you want a physical book to look at and read from make notes and things like that in then the main one The most students get is the Ross and Wilson ones. I'll put some links below and They're the main physiology books that a lot of students get and absolutely love and they are good books They're amazing books. Please don't buy for price Go on eBay go on Amazon go on the Facebook groups and see if anyone's given any way Freebies or really really cheap bargains before you buy for price because they are really really pricey They can go up to like 40 pounds. I think so, please Save your money or ask someone to get you as a gift hint hint birthdays coming up or anything like that That's me. I'm not a book person. I've got books, but I haven't read them I've purely used online Internet diagrams all of that So don't worry if you don't buy a book now once you found your source YouTube videos online website quizzes a book if you've bought a book You're gonna want to know what sort of things to revise because there's so much out there So for us, I can only talk disclaimer. Sorry disclaimer I can only talk for my own experience my own university, Birmingham City University I'm not sure what the universities do, but our first year is all about getting to know the body systems So my advice is get to know the body systems the cardiovascular system the renal system the respiratory system the endocrine system The central nervous system all of that just the main body systems get to know the areas what they do how they work together how they link together and If you can have a look at diagrams as well diagram of the heart know the chambers that would be a massive bonus The lungs know what the bronchiol is know what an alveoli is But yeah, just get the basic overall body system and how it works how it functions and what each one does You'll be well away and as well as the physiology stuff. You're gonna want to do assignment stuff So if you're not familiar with harbored referencing and your university uses harvard referencing Have a look at that get your head around harvard referencing and how to do it for your assignments on Another thing to look up is what I abs this is something. I absolutely loved is the Manchester phrase bank It's linking words basically that just links all of your things So instead of saying and then this and then this it's like following on from this However moreover nonetheless all these really nice words that help your assignment just flow Nicely and linked together and it's my favorite thing I think with assignments is that but I'll put all the links below anyway to have a look at the details below So I'll put all the links for this below and you can have a look at that I'm sure you've heard this many many times the NMC code is your Bible So make sure you know the NMC code look it up save it print it that is literally our Bible We must abide by the NMC code of conduct to practice as nurses even as a student So that's it look that up and know it another one is the BNF I have said this many times. This is your second Bible This is the main book or app that you need you absolutely need Above everything else because medications you're going to need to know it You're going to be administering them You're going to need to know side effects contraindications all of that because sometimes Somebody gets it wrong prescribes it and you're administering it to say it's safe to give and sometimes it's not safe and So you need to know your medications inside out because you can be part liable for that if something goes wrong So know your medications if you want a physical book you can get a BNF free from the pharmacy Please don't buy it. Please do not pay another student for their BNF. I saw a post on Twitter I think this morning or yesterday. I don't even know what day is I think it was yesterday Actually that someone had seen that student was selling their BNF Fair enough if that person's bought the BNF and then they're selling it on to get their money back fair enough But you can actually get a BNF Free from the local pharmacy. Just search all the pharmacies go in tell them you're a student nurse It'll save you 50 quid tell them you're a student nurse And you want to know if they've got any spare BNFs that you can have for free And they will give you one if they've got them But if they haven't got one there is a free app as well if you don't want to do that There's a free app and it's so simple is amazing. I actually really love my app as well as my book I just I'm a bit of a weird one like that I actually is the one book I do read and I do absolutely love is my BNF They're also free and available on all of the wards for you to use not to take home Do not steal the BNF from the ward unless someone gives you the old one That's fine. The there'll always be a BNF on the ward or area that you're working So don't worry too much about that I just like to have it at home and literally on my device so that is everywhere with me so that I can look at it Check it on it. I can sit at home and revise my medications. It's just it's amazing. It is literally Out of all of it everything you need to remember that one And a couple of students have already shared that they've got their BNFs from the pharmacy So I'm really really sure that they've done that. It's amazing So a little rundown of a checklist for you to tick off see if you've got it see if you've done it and if you have Amazing if you haven't go do it be prepared go to uni prepared organized amazing.  So they'll put all the support in there There's free counselling services at the university's personal tutor. There's adaptions. They can do a placement for you All those sort of things that just to put you in the right direction and get you the right sort of support It's not to throw you off the course or prevent you from starting the course at all. So please please please Rest your mind. It's gonna be okay. It's fine. It's just an overall check and health and well-being sort of check So don't worry. Have you completed your DBS? Have you had it back? Is it all right? Is it there because you need this before you go on to placement? So make sure it's done and you've got it back where it might go straight to university It might not necessarily come straight back to you But just make sure that that's been received by somebody and it's been done and it's all okay I'm sure they'll tell you anyway. If there's any sort of issues or problems if I hadn't come back in time They will be on it. Don't worry. Don't worry and just check that you've been given your actual start date and time Place where you should be what room number all of that Make sure you know it if you haven't received anything and you've been left in the lurch You don't know what day you're starting what time anything Please give the school office a ring because this happened to me and I didn't know and I actually missed my induction Because nobody told me when to start or anything. I was just waiting. I was like, I'm sure I'm supposed to be starting uni right now So I rang them up and then they're like, yeah, actually it was last week So I missed whole week of introductions and all of that jazz because of that So please sometimes there are technical issues. Sometimes you don't receive the email or anything like that. So please Bring them and just check and just have a little polite lovely conversation and gentle reminder for them to send you something and let you know Have you got your stationery the most important important important big capital I of all?  I'm really sorry if you don't love stationery Don't worry about it. If you don't just get big pen and paper.  So these need to be all black leather completely covered make sure they meet the criteria of your university They will tell you this anyway if you have a look online a lot of people get sketches a lot of people get the clocks unlooped I've got the clocks unlooped which are amazing But you're gonna be walking around for 12 and a half hours on your feet 24 7 Pretty much on these placements.  You're gonna be constant You can see are gonna egg. They're gonna burn Some people have mentioned that the feet swell up as well. So you're gonna want really really comfy shoes I've also heard some people say that if your feet do swell and you're really struggling with aching feet and ankles and calves Then some people have bought compression stockings and they've actually worn them on placement and apparently it really helps and it really works Don't quote me on that because I haven't tried it I don't know I haven't got a clue what the research is behind it But it's helped a lot of students out there by the sound of it So try it give it a go if it does work amazing if it doesn't work I'm sorry.  Have you got your fob watch? Of course, you need a fob watch You need to have your fob watch so that you can count the respiratory rate and the pulse when you do your observations on your patient It's the best thing ever. I oh when you don't have a fob watch. It's an nightmare. You really really struggle So please get a fob watch. They're really cheap. You can buy them cheap on Amazon A lot of people lately have been asking about stethoscopes and I think it's because people post the stethoscopes because they they look nice Let's face it. We all love a good stethoscope and anything medical related now that we're student nurses But actually the only time I've ever used my manual blood pressure set Slash proper nice stethoscope is in my general practice placement Because they do a lot more manual blood pressures, which I love I will always opt for manual blood pressure over the electronic machine because I trust it a lot more is a lot more accurate Also top tip if you've got a patient with atrial fibrillation or AF Then you have to do a manual blood pressure on them rather than electronic because the electronic one will not pick it up It will not be accurate and you will be writing down the observations completely wrong So please do a manual set of observations on them But I know this doesn't happen across the board and not everybody does this But just you it's good practice. It's there. It's in the nice guidelines. We have to be following that So please ask somebody if you haven't got one ask somebody to use it But apart from my GP practice, I have never used my stethoscope my actual own stethoscope. So Just wait up. Do you really need it? I'm not a hundred percent certain that you do need your own stethoscope, but it is nice to have it's a nice gift It looks pretty realistically. How often are you gonna use it? Not that often Unless you are working in general practice. I know children's nurses use them a lot Corrects me if I'm wrong, but I've seen a few children's nurses with stethoscopes that they have used So yeah, but in adult field as far as I'm aware I haven't seen anyone unless you in the community Use a proper stethoscope that's their own But on the other side of that if you do need a stethoscope There will be one in the area that you're working in so you don't have to worry about walking out for your own stethoscope I've talked way too much about stethoscopes. I'm sorry, but if you don't need to buy it Don't buy it is the easy answer. Don't waste your money. Don't spend your money Again, if you want to put it on the gift list as a Christmas present or a birthday present or something It's a nice gift. I got mine as a birthday present and I was absolutely chuffed with mine So yeah, but I know for our first-year oski as well. We had to do a set of manual observations As our oski, so I personally bought my own manual blood pressure set It was literally a few pounds from Amazon. It wasn't expensive. It wasn't a proper fancy one or anything I think it was in the sale for $5.99 or something I got that and I used that to practice at home on everybody and anybody that could do it And I also really love to have it at home so I can check people's blood pressure because I'm obsessed apparently with blood pressure But I love doing that it's amazing But I did that to practice from home So I didn't have to keep going to uni to borrow the equipment that you need to practice I could just do it from home and that just really really helped me. So in that sense, it is a really big help When you first start university, please find the timetable online Find a three-year planner Download it print it laminate it put it on your wall So you know when you're on placement when you're at university when you're annual leave is when your exams are Just keep it and have it because it's so so handy and it's amazing also download your assessment scheduler So our university has an assessment scheduler. It'll tell you when the exams are It'll tell you when the retakes are and when you should be getting your results back as well They are the best things that I've ever downloaded. I love them and I love to know Where I am what to expect and what I've accomplished so far and it's nice to take them off Also, get yourself a diary if you are a diary person and a planner person It's really good to have that so that you know where you are what room you're in what time you're in Extra curricular activities can go into it as well Just to keep yourself more organized give yourself deadlines as well So when you're going to do things by Plan it or keep yourself really really organized and you're going to be amazing And just on a last note. I just wanted to give a couple of tips for when you start university So first things first if you're going into university alone, you don't know anybody smile make friends be happy Love life. Don't panic too much. Hopefully like I did don't be scared to speak to people make friends Say hello and sit next to people Look out for other people that are alone as well. Buddy up get together. It'll be amazing. Don't worry if you are In a group of friends who are starting uni together Look out for those lonely people that are sitting on their own are quite a lot walking around a lot. Say hello Make friends invite them into your group so that they've got someone to Have fun with and have a great time with Because this course is going to be hard. You're going to need that moral support from your friends You're going to need that mutual understanding of how hard nursing is and how stressful exams can be to support each other and guide each other through it and motivate each other and Inspire each other So just make a friend because it is really the key to stay and successful at university And my next tip is just get yourself organized like I've said about the calendars diaries the organizers the planners timetables just keep organized stay on top of things when they launch something look at it start it rather than leaving It to last minute and just you'll be well away if you can do that Please make use of the library any sort of support services that they have any skills sessions anything like that Any sort of skills space areas that they have at university for you to practice your skills Go make use of all of those things your personal tutor If there's a mental health services or counselling and you need it go to those have a look Just get as much support as you can because it's free and it's university We are only there for three years So make the most of everything that you can and all of that support that you can while you can Don't feel too shy or too proud to ask for help. Please get the help Everyone wants you to pass the course. They don't want you to fail So they want that support in there to help you get through it So please take it up use it abuse it love it and my very very final I promise final final tip is just stop Pause the video 10 seconds 5 minutes however long you need stop Close your eyes take a deep breath Relax the shoulders Deep breath out Relax, it's going to be okay Stop worrying Stop stressing This is going to be the best journey of your life. It's going to be amazing You're going to meet new friends. You're going to love life. Yeah, it's going to be stressful sometimes But that's when you take that moment to pause stop Take some time out for yourself recharge re-energize and get back to it. You're going to be all right So that is it everybody. Good luck Massive. I absolutely love following all of your instagram posts I love seeing all of your conditional offers and your excitement for september Or it makes my day. It really really does and anything I see I will like I will comment On it if I haven't liked or comment on your post comment below because I want to see it And I've obviously missed it because instagram's a bit weird sometimes But um, yeah, so it's goodbye for now. Good luck. You're going to be amazing. You've got this. Come on


It's time for the Lawn Jean Chronoscope, a television journal of the important issues of the hour, brought to you every Monday, Wednesday, and Friday, a presentation of the Lawn Jean Wittner Watch Company, maker of Lawn Jean, the world's most honored watch, and Wittner, distinguished companion to the world-honored Lawn Jean. Good evening. This is Frank Knight. May I introduce our co-editors for this edition of the Lawn Jean Chronoscope. Mr. William Bradford Huey, author and analyst, and Mr. Hardy Burt, author and correspondent. Our distinguished guest for this evening is the Honorable Robert S. Kerr, United States Senator from Oklahoma. Senator Kerr, it's a pleasure to have you with us again, sir, on the Chronoscope. Our viewers, of course, know that you're one of those old-fashioned Democrats in the Indian country who get your tummy-hawk out every now and then, and I just wonder if there's somebody down in Washington you're gunning for now, sir. Well, Mr. Huey, I'm very much opposed to what the Secretary of Agriculture is doing to agriculture in this country. Well, now, what's your case against Mr. Benson, sir? My case against Mr. Benson is that while he is fiddling and talking about things which have no connection with reality, the producers of beef in this country are gradually being squeezed into bankruptcy. Well, now, obviously, I mean, you're not objective about this. You come from one of the great cattle-producing states, don't you? Yes, I do. And are your cattlemen putting the heat on you to put the heat on Mr. Benson? Well, the cattlemen are saying this, that the price of their product is below the cost of production, that if it continues, they're going to go into bankruptcy. When they do, they've suffered a great loss and the consumer population of the country will find that they likewise have had inflicted upon them a tragedy. How much has the price of beef been reduced from their level, from the level of the cattlemen themselves? Well, the price of beef on the hoof has gone down in the last 12 months, 50%. How much has it gone down at the markets where you buy the meat? At the meat market, it had gone down very little until the first of the year. I'd say it has since gone down probably half as much as the price has been forced down to the producer. Now, something that you're stating to our viewers is a matter of fact that the beef industry, the beef producers, are really in trouble that they are going bankrupt if something isn't done. That's very definite. How much of a subsidy do you think they should get to keep them from going bankrupt? Mr. Bert, they don't want a subsidy. They want an opportunity to produce at a reasonable profit. You see, we have a program of supports in with reference to basic commodities. The Secretary of Agriculture has the authority to support perishables of many kind at 90% of parity. And the average cattleman feels that since the price of beef on the hoof has gone down now to less than 80% of parity, that the secretary should use the authority, which he now has under the law and support that product at what the law permits him to do. Isn't that just a matter of labels on a senator not calling it a subsidy and effect it is a subsidy? The government's giving them money? No, no, not at all. If he would move to do that, he wouldn't have to buy a lot of beef in my judgment. But it would still be if you bought even a dollar worth, it would be a dollar worth of subsidy. Well, it'd be a dollar worth of investment in the welfare of one great segment of our country and in the continuation of a supply. I know that agriculture represents a very great industry in this country, but so does the clothing industry and so does the automobile industry. Why should agriculture have any more right to a subsidy which the taxpayer pays than the clothing industry, the automobile industry? Because the consumer has an equal interest in an abundant supply of food and fiber as does the producer. You see, the only way that the consumer can have an abundant supply of food at a reasonable price is for somebody to produce it. If economics are handled and forced the producer back on to the law of supply and demand, all he'll do is just retreat in the matter of production, produce less food and get more money for it. Well, I doubt that you don't believe in free enterprise, particularly so far as the farmers are concerned. Sure, I believe in free enterprise, but I don't believe in the law of the jungle. Senator Kerr, our viewers have heard a great deal of discussion about this in the last few days. Now, sir, to simplify, Mr. Benson is buying butter, is supporting the price of butter at 90% parity, isn't he? Yes, sir. And that means that the government has butter and supports the price, and you are saying in effect that you'd like to see him do the same thing for beef. Yes, only there's this difference in supporting the price of butter, which is great overproduction. He's accumulated probably two million pounds of butter. I think there's many things that this country could do with that butter that would make it a good investment, but that's another question. I think if he moved to support the price of beef, that it would result in the, in the packers paying an amount equal to 90% of parity, and I don't think it would raise the cost at the meat market at penny. And you're telling our, our, our viewers that unless that is done, that they are, that the beef producing industry is going to be hurt and hurt bad. That is correct. The average beef producer is going to continue to produce at a loss until he's broke. And that's going to mean that the producers are going to gradually be going out of the market in one or two years. The supply will be less. And then the consumer will be penalized by having to pay more for less beef. Senator, what did you think of this two days supply for the whole country of New Zealand beef coming over and selling at 35 cents a pound from New Zealand? That recently happened, you know, that was a good thing for the cattleman or a bad thing. Were you opposed to these imports of beef? Well, yes, I'm opposed to the imports of beef when we have competitive, unsupported, similar products. Now, if, if the secretary had moved to put a support program under the price of beef, then when imports imperiled the price of beef, he could have moved to cartel imports. But until he moves to support the price of the domestic product under the law in which he operates, he can't move to cartel imports of a competitive product. That brings us to the, to the second, your second major interest, I believe, in Congress, sir, which you're interested in the reciprocal trade agreements and in foreign trade. That's correct, isn't it? I am keenly interested in reciprocal trade. Well, now, does that mean that you are in favor of what our viewers have heard a lot of discussion about? Do you believe in trade, not aid? I believe in, in the promotion of trade to the greatest possible extent for the mutual welfare, both of the buyer and the seller, which is our country and our customer. Do you believe in the lowering of tariff barriers? Where on a reciprocal basis, it promotes greater trade between those that make the adjustment. I might, I would go for cattle too, beef too. I mean, if there were any barriers against beef, you were against the importation of beef just now. I'm against the importation of beef when it, when it tends to add to the destruction of an unsupported domestic agricultural product. Yes, I, I, that's correct. How much, how much are we selling abroad now, sir? We're selling at this time better than $15 billion of American products per year. And how much are we buying? We're buying about $9 billion. So there's about $6 billion there that we have to make up one way or the other. You have to make it up with gifts or loans.  I'm in favor of making it up by creating an environment that will result in our buying enough to offset what we sell. I think it's far better to increase our trade rather than our aid. Well, you're a supporter of President Eisenhower in this because I think he believes the same thing, doesn't he? He does. Yes, sir. Now do you concede, sir, that there'll be some segments of American industry or American producers who will be hurt by our buying an additional $6 billion worth of foreign made goods? There will be times when it will hurt some domestic industry and when the time comes that the damage to a domestic industry is greater than the overall good, then I would favor a readjustment. You think that the national welfare, however, is so important and that it overrides those... Yes, I do because you see the economic strength and the power of our allies to defend themselves and help us in the common cause are all tied up in the strength of their economy, which is dependent on their trade, mostly with us. I don't suppose you've ever made any studies, sir, of exactly what tariffs on what industry should be reduced to Lord? Well, I have, but it is such an endless compilation of figures that I'd get lost and we'd all be terribly confused if we went into those details in a very few minutes. Well, Senator, our viewers will recall, sir, that you were one of the... we're a candidate for the Democratic nomination last year. Well, very kind if they recall that. I had thought it may not be a little impression that... Will you be a candidate for yes or no? I have no plan at this time to be a candidate anything other than re-election to the Senate from Oklahoma. Well, you're, of course, a very influential member of the Democratic Policy Committee in the United States Senate. Now, sir, Mr. Stevenson, I believe, is on a trip around the world, so I'd like to ask you this. Who's making policy for the Democratic party now? Is it Stevenson or is it the policy committee in the Senate? Well, I would not say that it's exclusively either. Mr. Stevenson is the titular head of the Democratic party. Do you think he should run four years from now? If he wants to. But the policy of the party is being made more by the membership of the National Congress today than by anybody else. Well, sir, as a final question, our viewers will also recall that you were very outspoken on the Korean War. And what do you think of Senator Taft's proposal for a general investigation of the Korean War? Well, I think Senator Taft spoke before he thought. I think he's trying to be a general again. I think that we've got a great defense department. I think that I didn't support Eisenhower, but certainly he's a great general. And I think he's in better shape to determine that than Taft is. I've just got more confidence in the general in the White House than I have in any of the jobs we've got in the Senate. Well, Senator Kerr, I'm sure that our viewers very much appreciated these outspoken sentiments of yours. And thank you, sir, for being with us. Thank you. And the opinions that you've heard our speakers express tonight have been entirely their own. The editorial board for this edition of the Lone Gene Chronoscope was Mr. William Bradford Huey and Mr. Harley Burt. Our distinguished guest was the Honorable Robert S. Kerr, United States Senator from Oklahoma. 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