Let's see the breakfast and plus the Africa many things for being with us this morning As always we like to go through the pages of a national delis. We call it off the press and Chris K and a one-do Joins us this morning. Well, let's look at the punch. The punch is One of the papers we'll be looking at this morning 24 hours to campaign Ina Khan sold 10 once parties and supporters again valence hmm, very important commission to publish voter register January 2023 SGF sues for peace Avoid all trances actions culpable of cursing violence song will you and your cubo quoted on that Feniferry justifies obese endorsement Tunibus team fumes and tackles at the banjo. Oh well federal government reverses Vasity's reopening order asu adamant Mobile transaction heats 11 trillion narrowing eight months according to report Just before we move away Remove petrol subsidy implement PIA LCC I tells the federal government and group Demand sanction as power collapse Seven time. I mean eight time if you like to say a tickle names are key. I am all the special advices and You have a Kyrgyzstan Luins system and the Feniferry Knox federal government.  I might just be a lot That's the much we can take this morning on the punch, you know very funny very funny one I saw someone post online yesterday. Okay campaigns are starting But they did all naformality the president wrote on Twitter said all naformality and we've made our minds up already I had a good laugh, but then we go to the nation I have some interesting stories The leader on the front page of the nation is a part or more take a career to Lu No going back on plan to arm or more taken call All right, so I mean will he will he just arm them by himself will he need the police approval government approval? No going back on plan to arm or more take a call Weapons procurement will be backed by law if it needs to carry out its duties. All right Timbu shatima joint ticket Best for women Timbu shatima joint ticket best for women. I'm seeing a picture of Senator Uluru and me Timbu there. I guess maybe she might be the one who said that article bypasses we key allies names are key only Lola advices me some time since we heard the name of one yellow article bypasses we key allies names Sarah key or you know la advices 2119 minus owing federal government 2.76 billion RSS RM a FC. That's a revenue mobilization allocation and fiscal commission Why are they doing together money back? I think that's what I just want to know Bandit skill three kidnapped 22 in Kaduna communities really sad 500,000 Nigerians await repatriation from Niger Chad came around Don't plunge Nigeria into crisis can Sultan worn religious leaders so all the others preach peace federal government reverses order urging VCs to open universities look at that much later and Ocean tribe, you know, Jen sitting to October by also kidnapped suspect Paraded some headlines on the front page of the nation Away from the nation. We have the Daily Trust newspaper disquiet in APC over Composition of campaign team and Vice-president zero see barge or Amici silence raises dust Tunnel begins campaign with prayer session Council feels to issue letters to nominees were open to working with oil. That's what spokesman's quoted to say This is all about the APC I'm just wondering why the Nations wasn't really big on that Federal government but tracks we throw other to reopen velocities. I net once parties candidate against hate speech Bandit skill please inspector three orders abduct dozens and Kaduna and Katzina and float courts of Locosure highway submerges houses and worship centers. I mean it's really saddening. There's a picture or a representation of what's happening in these places or Price deep stew eighty five dollar per barrel on paid allowances ex-servicemen take protest to defense headquarters Man visit Lagos police station to bail friend stills police man's phone was really going on But this is a much we can take on at the Daily Trust newspaper This day, I'm happy. They actually included or not on a list today. It's has a bomb shell What you can call a bombshell and I will go quickly so I guess can comment on the stories Autumn breaks with wiki says he's not supporting. I use removal Autumn breaks with wiki says he is not supporting. I use removal Riders to that a real fam's confidence in his ability to lead the party to victory PDP stakeholders pressure article to prevail on chairman to quit Dino Melae. We're not threatened by our Competitors ex VP appoints are a key. I am check around the condos as special advice as the condos being there I'm sure it's a direct direct dot at wiki. It's a do your your worst More from the nation a day manager wife and if I was supporting Peter Bees presidential bid I think we can move on the other ones have been covered by the other papers. Let's quickly welcome Chris Kennedy one Do he's not is he on board with us yet? No, okay While waiting for him to to rejoin, let's read some details of that that story here from this day You know hey for me, that's I think the BS headlines so far You know the papers and the papers done its work So far do we have Chris Kennedy one do back mercy? Yes, we do. Okay, so our Chris Kennedy one Who can you hear us? Please kindly confirm Good morning. Let's start with this day. I'll just read a few details It's very short very quickly or Tom Briggs with wiki says is supporting I use removal rear fems confidence in his ability to lead the party to victory What the paper says is the Ben restate governor? Yesterday dismissed in situation that he was in support of the removal of the national chairman of the PDP Saying it is impossible for him to advocate for the removal of someone he helped to a point, which is true Or Tom reasserted his confidence and I use Ability to lead the party to victory next year's presidential election in a surprising contrast to the position of his close ally River state governor. Yes, I'm wiki. Do you think the papers aptly captured this? Statement by saying or Thomas broken with weekend. What are your thoughts generally on this development? Well, if what if what is the true position that is not surprising to me? Yes, because My time you have seen them Gov. No, Tom has been somehow inconsistent which is a A Transits when it comes to this issue, don't forget how he spoke about article and what transfer between article and wiki when I think we eventually Was taken as the potential candidate of the PDP and At the point was saying that article inage on the promise he made to the party Who is going to pick at his advice presidential candidate? They are too much to say that there was nothing like that that what he was given was about three names and the Committee set up headed by autumn did not specifically mention that wiki should be Picked as the vice presidential candidate so that he was that nobody to pick who he wanted and that was I came about Governor or cover of them that aspect So and about time you want me to see the body language of him autumn You will see that it's a body All right, Chris. Can you hear us please? It seems it seems that the network has played a fast on him. We're sorry for that Interruption will try to get back to Chris. Can you wonder as quickly as possible? but but in making this this remark or this statement the Governor benefit was reacting to Accusations by a group That he was involved in ouster moves against the PDP national chairman who is a fellow Benway man don't forget I was making some comments regarding his son. Are you son and the governor of Benway State? But he has had to say this. I don't know if this will pit him against wiki in any way because of course We case a deep and big on loyalty mercy. All right, Chris. Can you hear me? Are you back? Yes, I can hear you We can Okay, so it's our system Is there just published anything to go by then is expected don't forget that the national chairman of PDP is from Benway State and That it was wiki and Malcolm that commanded the appointment of Senator You are you as the national chairman of PDP so Very contrary to what they are It would be worthy for Person like the governor of Benway State to be going against a chairman that is from his state Not only from his state from his political zone So this is expected and I know that in the days to come you might see so many of them so-called wiki's Friends and moving away from from him don't forget for example the governor of For your state governor marking the Is going to we contest This is at a second. No, I don't know how he's going to do it. How he would be conversing for Candidate from another party and also conversing but for himself as a PDP member That would be a very very terrible strategy on his part. So, but let's see how this was that by tomorrow the The ban will be lifted on campaign Who's there? news coming up from Debtory is something that should be what it's on to go from wiki as a politician All right, Chris. Let's quickly look at the Consensus of fenniferry and the fact that they are throwing their support To pita will be I want to stand the group what they represent at the end of a day They've actually given a reason but you want to talk about the Southwest now Do you think that the support is encompassing that it cuts across the entire Southwest? No, the the does that by a penny for it. Don't forget a penny for a is a Is a group he does not totally represent? Everything starts well. There are also some people that don't belong to a penny for it And so many people see a penny for a as a council of some sort of head that But over the years if you have seen the pattern most often than not after a very hard oldest in those PDP candidates as it was right from 1999 No, 1990 it was more 80 more a debate from 2000 and 2003 fully endorsed the candidates or off From a president about and who was in PDP or do from the Southwest and subsequently they've in those order And candidates from PDP So even during the last election that brought in Muhammad worry And does good luck Jonathan as they are candidate. So that is a big is a huge leap for P2B and campaign team for a an organization like often fair to Endure in what this goes to show that it will be campaign has gone beyond what we want to believe that oh is a satis Agenda obedience are only from the southeast and the rest of them. That is what other parties and them Presidential candidates have been trying to serve the best from the what you have seen in the past few days over the Mighties the various cities are but yeah, I know Jaws Another place is you see that the movement is going beyond what some people thought initially they say they didn't have structure But from what we have seen now you can see that they are well structured if you see the way they organize that campaign They are lilies and the rest of them You see this as an organization that is well structured and most what it wants to down where they are heading to so for me it is the endorsement by a very very only opens the scope of a perception about It'll be possession Candidacy that is not just limited to one part of the country a very different hardware that how that endorsement is good to Turn up for him in terms of both from the south-west is what we're going to be Way to see in 2023 Forget that from in a book can be there from the start In the person of as you are the bollard mentionable of a PC is contested a lesson And it is believed that the people of the south-west waves fully back their own when it comes to 2023 All right, the papers at least two of them are going with some stories regarding the the Constitution of a campaign Teams for the two major or the two leading political parties see people's Democratic Party and the all-progressives Congress. For instance, the nation new super has this story Where it says a tickoo bypasses wiki bypasses wiki allies names are a key or illola as advices then we go to We go to daily trust Which says disquiet in the APC of a composition of campaign team Or she by John Mee she's silence raises dust Cancel fails to issue letter to nominees tenable begins campaign press session So what are your thoughts on sort of this perceived them? Bypassings you want to call it that and the silence of some of the Dramatis personnel who were part of the the presidential primaries in in the two parties But I could feel there's no way the political party is going to have everybody in the campaign team Council last year. I think that of it about 400 and For some for for something like that I don't know the number of that of PDP and so there is no way everybody can Be a member of that council. What we happen is that everyone will begin their own things in their own the true ways and rest of them When you look at the story by the The nation I'm not surprised The nation is focusing on PDP. We know the ownership of the nation And I would have also thought that the nation will also talk about those agitation in APC I since several people in the APC who felt that they ought to be in that campaign Council already complaining There's somebody in Lagos Hold the need He ought to be there and the saying that the party does not reward true loyalist, whatever I mean by that I don't know but the The campaign council have been constituted to a magical went ahead yesterday to Also a point second advice us the person of Saraki a lot. Gooseberry. Oh, you know, I am and some others as advisors in this campaign team The Parties have to close right now. There's no time for all this sort of division and they must like They have to get the third house together the campaign starts tomorrow in as much as I know that the campaign has started is far far back It's just officially to be officially Ombarned tomorrow and we're going to see a lot of fireworks in the days to come But I hope that the presidential candidate and the partisans focus on the Issues that I just want to know and not just resort to personal attack There's not what you want to do about the economy. That was what you want to do about the security That was what you want to do in the education sector That was what you want to do in health and also infrastructure They lose how you can be able to handle the issue of also far better than worry and it has got me has done You can see how they reverse themselves yesterday after I send the besties to open the university Three hours later they reverse the other directive and the universities have been mentioned Let's quickly take a look at the daily trust newspaper. It talks about the disquieting the APC over the composition of campaign team But I mean still looking at that. There's also The fact that the vice president a mage is quite silence and some people have been suspicious of all of that and There's also another part that talks about the council feeling to issue letters to nominees I'd like to show your thoughts quickly on that We just I just miss talking about that now. I just what I just miss talking about I'll say that they have to move ahead for the campaign council as a statement going to be Nomination To kick off their campaign that that after that and let us will be issued to all embass of the council. I thought that the press statement and they've asked every All right, Chris Another one that's quite interesting It's still on the daily trust the federal government backtracks with all order to reopen Varsities, I mean just before then there was an order you have to open the universities And then the federal government is withdrawing that particular order. What what's really going on? the federal government order was out of place and Also rightly issued a statement on that order that at no point in time they have key to the university That the federal government is there and owner of this university and the state government are also doing on that of this university So that they had the right to open the university that can be given for them They don't have the key to the university. In fact, I also had nothing to do with opening or Pluisin or even facilities within the university. That is even the the job function of Sanu So the non-academic staff, they are the one that clean up the university. They are the one that Take care of electricity, water and other infrastructure within the university That also is just to walk into the classroom and teach and go away So they told the federal government that they have nothing to do with the federal government University that is there But I think that's that statement was no way for that before You see came out with that directive and it was good that they could listen because are you opening the university? What are you opening universities for if the naturalists are not going to be there? You want the students to remain there that in this safe was to allow the students back into the campus Without them being taught then you are breathing a lot of things can happen They can go out protesting and rioting and that requires a lot of problem for both the university and the system So I think for security purposes and they will do that later and the university So I think that's the best thing to do the best thing for them to do man He sort out the problem with us to agree with us on some of the things that have been agreed So that the school can be open later on can go back to classes and the students will return That is the way to go All right, I'm afraid we'll have to leave that that Chris can they want to thank you so much for your time Wish you had more time with you, but of course we'll do our best to start earlier Next time and we're watching to see how the campaigns Will go Next time when we're with you the campaigns that have been about six days to seven days old We'll see what we'll have transpired by then. Thank you so much. Yeah, quickly before I go It is also advantage we the media should also get ready for it We're not talking about the politicians the media should also get ready so that we will to make sure that all the gladiators Are asked the right questions and they must give us answers to this question. You have a nice day ahead Thank you very much. Chris Cain in Wando Chatted mediator and consulate our guest analyst on off the press this morning. We'll be right back We have a look at what happened today in history and when we return with dive street into our first major Conversation, please stay with us


Esteemed colleagues, my name is Sam Vaknin and I am the author of Malignan Self-Love, Narcissism Revisited and other books on psychology and international affairs. I'm a visiting professor of psychology in Southern Federal University in Ostov-on-Don, Russian Federation, and a professor of finance and a professor of psychology in CSCFs, the Center for International Advanced and Professional Studies. Today I would like to discuss a fraught issue, an issue which is widely considered taboo. And that is the issue of insist. I would like to start with a quote from the encyclopedia Britannica. Admittedly, the Britannica is not exactly an academic authority, but it's not so bad as a launch impact. So the Britannica had this to say, an experience with an adult may seem merely a curious and pointless game, or it may be a hideous trauma, leaving lifelong psychic scars. In many cases, the reactions of parents and society determines the child's interpretation of the sexual event.  These are extremely brave and courageous words for a mainstream encyclopedia. In contemporary thought, insist is invariably associated with child abuse and its horrific, long-lasting, and often irreversible consequences. Insist is not such a clear-cut matter as it has been made out to be over millennia of taboo. Many participants claim to have enjoyed the act and its physical and emotional consequences. It is often the result of seduction. In some cases, two consenting and fully informed adults are involved. We know this in practice. We don't talk about it very often, because it's the wrong thing to do. It's politically incorrect, and it's taboo. But I think it's high time to discuss insist in a forthright and honest manner if we are to overcome its pernicious, insidious, and even dangerous effects. Many types of relationships, which are defined as incestuous, are between genetically unrelated partners, for example a stepfather and a daughter, or between fictive kin or between classificatory kin that belong to the same matriline or patriline. In certain societies, Native American and even in China, it is sufficient to carry the same family name, in other words to belong to the same clan, extended clan, for marriage to be forbidden. Some incest prohibitions relate to sexual acts, others relate to legal acts such as marriage. In some societies, incest is mandatory or prohibited according to the social class or particular circumstances. In the Ugarit society, Bali, Papua New Guinea, Polynesian and Melanesian islands, incest was condoned. In other societies, the royal house started a tradition of incestuous marriages, which was later imitated by lower classes. Of course, most famous are the ancient Egypt, Hawaiian, pre-Columbian mixtec. Some societies are more tolerant of consensual incest than others are. Incest is better tolerated, shall we say, in Japan, India until the 1930s and some parts of Australia to this very day. Some societies were founded on incest, Pitcairn, Ireland. The list is long and it serves to demonstrate the diversity of attitudes towards this most of universal taboos. Generally put, we can say that a prohibition to have sex with or marry a related person should be classified as an incest prohibition. Perhaps the strongest feature of incest has been hitherto downgrade, that it is essentially an auto-erotic act.  It is a narcissistic act and like all acts narcissistic, it involves the objectification of the partner. The incestuous narcissists over-values and then devalues the sexual partner. The narcissistic sexual partner in incest is devoid of empathy. He cannot see the other's point of view or put himself in her shoes. Paradoxically and ironically, it is the reaction of society that transforms incest into such a traumatic and destructive phenomenon. Remember the quote from the Britannica. The condemnation, the horror, the revulsion, the attendant social sanctions interfere with the internal processing and processes and dynamics of the incestuous family. It is from society that the child learns the cues. Society teaches the child that something is morally wrong, that he or she should feel guilty, that the offending parent is a defective role model or even a criminal. Psychologists from Albert Ellis to Boris Cerunik. Psychologists have noted the critical importance of societal response and stigma in cases of both adult and child trauma in general and incest in particular. As a direct result, the formation of the child's super ego to use a Freudian metaphor stunted and it remains infantile, ideal, sadistic, affectionate, demanding, punishing. The child's ego to borrow another part of Freud's trilateral model. The child's ego, on the other hand, is likely to be replaced by a forced ego version, a forced self, whose job it is to suffer the social consequences of the trauma of the hideous act. To sum up what I'm trying to say is that society's reactions in the case of incest are pathogenic and are most likely to produce narcissistic or borderline patients, or in the case of women, histrionic patients. Disempathic, exploited in emotionally labile, immature, and in eternal search for narcissistics of life, such a child becomes a replica in other ways of his incestuous and socially castigated parent. So if so, if this is the case, why did human societies develop such pathogenic responses? In other words, why is incest considered a taboo in all known human collectives and cultures, almost? Why are incestuous liaisons treated so harshly and punitively if it creates such counterproductive developmental processes? Freud said that incest provokes horror because it touches upon our forbidden ambivalent emotions towards members of our close family. The ambivalence covers both aggression towards other members forbidden and punishable impulses and sexual attraction to some other members that is doubly forbidden and doubly punishable. Edward Westermark preferred an opposite view that the domestic proximity of the members of the family breeds sexual repulsion, and that is the epigenetic rule known as the Westermark effect.  The incestaboo simply reflects and kind of ratifies emotional and biological realities within the family rather than aiming to restrain the inbred instincts of its members. That's what Westermark says. Though much disputed by geneticists, some scholars maintain that the incestaboo may have been originally designed to prevent the degeneration of the genetic stock of the clan or tribe through intrafamily breeding. Closed endogamy in incestuous relationships are supposed to yield an unusual number of intellectually challenged and genetically impaired individuals. That is disputed actually. It borders on an urban myth. But even if it were true, this no longer applies, of course. In today's world, incest rarely results in pregnancy and the transmission of genetic material. Sex today is about recreation as much as procreation, if not more so. Good contraceptives should therefore encourage incestuous couples. In many other species, in breeding or straightforward incest are actually the norm, chimpanzees. And finally, in most countries, incest prohibitions apply also to non-genetically related people. So we can't say that the aim is strictly genetic eugenics. It seems, therefore, that the incestaboo was and is aimed at one thing in particular, to preserve the family unit and its proper functioning and to regulate the intergenerational distribution and handling of accumulated family wealth. It's about property. Incest is more than a mere manifestation of a given personality. It's more than a paraphernalia. Some psychologists consider incest to be a subtype of pedophilia. Incest harks back to the very nature of the family. It is closely entangled with its functions and with its contribution to the development of the individual within it. The family is an efficient venue for the transmission of accumulated property. As I mentioned, it's also a very efficient transmission mechanism for information, both horizontally among family members and vertically down the generations. The process of socialization and acculturation, these processes largely rely on these familial mechanisms, making the family the most important agent of society by far. The family is a mechanism for the allocation of genetic, material and informational wealth, institutional memory. Worldly goods are passed on from one generation to the next through succession, inheritance and residence. Genetic material is handed down through the sexual act. It is the mandate of the family to increase both by accumulating property and by marrying outside the family, exogamy. Clearly, incest prevents both. It preserves the limited genetic poor and makes an increase of material possessions through intermarriage, whole but impossible. The family's roles are not merely materialistic though. One of the main businesses of the family is to teach to its members self-control, self-regulation and healthy adaptation. Family members share space, they share resources and siblings share the mother's emotions and attention. Similarly, the family educates its young members to master their rights and to postpone the self-gratification which attaches to acting upon these rights. The incest taboo conditions children to control their erotic drive by abstaining from ingratiating themselves with members of the opposite sex within the same family. There could be little question that incest constitutes a lack of control, constitutes impaired impulse control, impedes the proper separation of impulse or stimulus from action. Additionally, incest probably interferes with the defensive aspects of the family's existence. It is through the family that aggression is legitimately channeled, expressed and externalized. By imposing discipline and hierarchy on its members the family is transformed into a cohesive and efficient war machine. It absorbs economic resources, social status and members of other families. It forms alliances and fights other plans over scarce goods tangible and intangible. This efficacy is undermined by incest. It is virtually impossible to maintain discipline and hierarchy in an incestuous family where some members assume sexual roles, not normally theirs. Sex is an expression of power, emotional and physical. Members of the family involved in incest surrender power and also assume power over the more regular flow patterns that have made the family the formidable apparatus that it is. In other words, incest disrupts power matrices within the family. It's disruptive. These new power politics weaken the family both internally and externally. Internally and motive reactions such as jealousy of other family members and clashing authorities and responsibilities. These are likely to undo the delicate, precariously balanced unit that is the family. Externally, the family is vulnerable to ostracism and more official forms of intervention and even dismantling. Finally, the family is an identity entailment mechanism. It bestows identity on its members. Internally, the members of the family derive meaning from their position in the family tree and its organizing chart. This chart conforms to the societal expectations and the roles of course into the roles allocated by society but it still provides identity via location and placement. Location in time, location in space, location vis-a-vis other members. Externally though through exogamy by incorporating strangers in the family the family absorbs other identities not to mention other genetic material and thus enhances social solidarity. Claude Levis Strauss noticed it. This solidarity is the the social solidarity is the expense of the solidarity of the nuclear original family but in some ways also enhances it. Incest undoes all this. Incest unravels all these intricate interplays between genetic material, wealth, power, hierarchy, authority, responsibility intergenerational relationships and so on. Incest chaoticizes, creates chaos. Exogamy as often noted allows for the creation of extended alliances. The identity creep of the family is in total opposition to incest. The latter incest increases the solidarity and incestuous family but at the expense of its ability to digest and absorb other identities of other family units and therefore prosper thrive and grow. Incest in other words adversely affects social cohesion and solidarity. Lastly as aforementioned incest interferes with well established rigid patterns of inheritance and property allocation. This is especially true if incest results in pregnancy. Such disruption is likely to have led primitive societies to disputes and conflicts including armed clashes and deaths. To prevent such recurrent and costly conflict and bloodshed was one of the intentions, one of the original intentions of the incestable hence its universality. The more primitive the society the more strict and elaborate the set of incest prohibitions and the fiercer the reactions of society to its violation. It appears that the less violent dispute settlement methods and mechanisms in a given culture the more lenient the attitude is to incest. The incestable is therefore a cultural trait protective of the efficient mechanism of the family. Society sought to minimize disruption to its activities and activities of the family and to the clear flow of authority responsibilities, material wealth and information horizontally and vertically across generation and among family members. It was to preserve the family as the basic functional unit of society that society invented and imposed the incestable. Incest threatened to unravel this magnificent creation the family alarmed by the possible consequences internal and external fuels arising level of aggression violence etc disruptions alarmed by the possible consequences society introduced the taboo. It came replete with physical and emotional sanctions stigmatization, ostracism, revulsion, horror, imprisonment, the demolition of the errant and socially mutant family unit, family settlement. As longer societies revolve around the relegation of power its sharing, its acquisition and dispensation there will always exist an incestable. But in a different societal and cultural setting it is conceivable not to have such a taboo. We can easily imagine a society where incest is extolled, taught and practiced and outbreeding is regarded with horror and revulsion. The incestuous marriages among members of the royal household of Europe were intended to preserve the familiar property lands territory. They were normative not aberrant. Marrying and outside it was considered abhorrent not the dumb thing. An incestuous society where incest is a norm is conceivable even today. As I said the royal houses of Europe ceased to exist only 100 years ago for well over a thousand years incest was the norm among the elites. We can conceive of societies where incest is a norm for example imagine the loft scenario a plague or some other natural disaster decimated the population of planet earth. People remain alive only in isolated clusters cohabiting only with their clothes skin surely incestuous procreation is preferable to virtuous extermination. Incest would become normative in such a post-apocalyptic world. Incest is as entrenched a taboo as cannibalism yet it is better to eat the flesh of your dead football teammates than perish high up on the undies that is a harrowing tale of survival recounted in the book and eponymous film alive. So cannibalism happens and incest would happen in post-apocalyptic conditions even as the Egyptian scenario resources becomes so scarce the family units scramble to keep them exclusively within the family not to distribute them, not to involve other families in the distribution. So exorgamy marrying outside the clan amounts to a unilateral transfer of scarce resources to outsiders and to strangers and incest becomes an economic imperative some periods in ancient Egypt were like this incest is a culture bound restriction prohibition and taboo this culture bound taboo has been internalized of course and has been transformed into a psychological inhibition and a physical revulsion possibly because of close proximity exactly as Westerner suggests. But I do not think that incest is an objective neutral genetically driven or physiologically driven or even psychologically driven natural behavior. I think it's absolutely socially and culturally determined and therefore a world without incest is conceivable and a world with incest is conceivable. We live in a second type of world where the family unit is still so crucial that incest is frowned upon and prohibited and perhaps this is for the better because our children take decades to mature much longer than few hundred years ago and these decades are spent within the family it's very common today for children to live within the family until the age of 30 had incest become more normative or more acceptable the disruption to society would have been unimaginable ironically we need the incest taboo now more than ever because our young ones are far less independent than they used to be thank you for listening