So recording from now. Well, good morning everybody. My name is Chris Morrison. Good morning and my name's Jane Secker. And we're the co-chairs of the Copyright and Online Learning Special Interest Group, Special Interest Group of the Association for Learning Technology. We're very excited today, aren't we, as well? We are. Yes, we are. This is webinar number 60. So no expense has been spared here in the celebrations, have they? Absolutely, OK. Rolling out the red carpet. OK, and what have we got? Diamond adversary. So here we go. So there we go. This is the extent that we go to in order to... The creativity. The creativity. The sort of... The pageantry, I would say. Yes. Just wait till we get to the coronation. Imagine what we're going to be doing then. Indeed. If this is just a small taste of how creative we can be. So, yes, very excited. I did want balloons and party poppers and 60 banners, but you wouldn't let me. You were worried people might think it was your birthday, weren't you? I was. Possibly. So what have we got going on today? We've got a bunch of copyright news, very exciting things, events and all those sorts of things, but the main topic of today is another becoming a copyright specialist, and we've got two fantastic guests with us today, Lisa Moore and Tim Riley. So we'll introduce them in a moment. Absolutely. But shall we get on with the main order of business? Well, it's not really the main order, is it? But it's just the thing that we do since we last met. So what's this picture all about? We were on our way to Senate House, my favourite conference venue in central London. And we were discussing what we ought to wear at icepops, I think, weren't we? We were also both thinking about a new look for us. So in our kind of rollers. And I think we can see. Webinar host, stroke, children's entertainers. Yeah. So this has got an interesting, is that animal print? Or those are dungarees, aren't they? They're definitely dungarees. Yeah. I'm thinking dungarees are going to be the new look this summer. They're going to be big, aren't they? But yeah, that's Chris's outfit. I think the one with the green shirt, isn't it? Well, you're asking the wrong person because I'm colour blind. I know that there are lots of colours, but I couldn't necessarily pick out which ones they were. Yeah. So come in soon. OK. Come in soon. Yes. Watch this space for more fashion tips from us. So this is a reminder that we have an archive of webinars and blogs. And we're hoping that we've got Greg Poppins. And we have Greg absolutely putting things in here and links from there. So let's get on to the next part, which is the ever-feredial Copyright News. So the first slide of Copyright News, Greg, we've already got the link in there. It's very exciting because we have done a meet-up with the Pedagodzilla podcast team. So Copyright Waffle meets Pedagodzilla. And our topic was communities of practice and the Muppets. So how do you create the most sensational, inspirational, celebrational, muppetational community of practice? I was going to hope you were going to say that. Yes. I couldn't have said that. Yes. It's actually the second time we met Mark and Mike who were on Pedagodzilla. And this came out this morning. Yes. So hot off the press. It did. We had such a fun time talking to them, a playful learning, that they wanted to talk to us more. And we're also meeting up with them next week at the Lilac conference to record a podcast as well with the chatting info lit, new professionals podcast that was launched a couple of weeks ago as well. Absolutely. It's all about the podcast at the moment. It is. So for those of you that haven't heard any of the Pedagodzilla podcast, they're absolutely brilliant. Yeah. The way that they work is they pick a topic about learning theory and then pick something from pop culture to help explain it by way of analogy and metaphor. So we're talking about communities of practice and we're talking a lot about this group, these webinars and all the fabulous people that come along and how we talked about copyright. It sounds like a mad idea, but it kind of works. And actually looking at it through the mental. It doesn't kind of work. It does work. It really does. It does. Through the Muppets and there is a musical treat and there is. Yeah. We may share later on if we can find it. Okay. So the next thing is serious. Yes. Serious news. So there was some really exciting news last week. I think this came out. No, actually it's first of May, first of April. Sorry. And it's not an April Fool's joke. No. So some of you will have been following what's happening with Creative Commons licensed images. I think I've been told a webinar about this, I think about 18 months ago now, where people will try to put up Creative Commons licensed images with an old version of the license to try and kind of catch you out if you then don't attribute them correctly. So Corey Doctorow has been very outspoken about this copyright trolling and picked this up off his blog that essentially Flickr have now made an announcement saying, you know, that this practice is basically completely against the spirit of their licenses. And really good quote that we just picked out from his post about that really where he's saying, you know, obviously if you are putting a Creative Commons license on your work, it is an explicit message that I want you to use it. And you know.  So that's typical, typical Corey. You say it very fast as well. Yes, he would. And I wouldn't have quite understood what he said. And then you'd catch up eventually. So we did have a conversation with Corey on one of the previous copyright waffle podcast. So check out his in-depth discussion of that. And this is an update on that. Yeah. And on the blog post, there is a link through to, you know, basically the Flickr announced announcement, what they're saying, how they've changed their practice and, you know, being very clear that this is not acceptable to do this and to go after people and demand payment if they misattribute your image. Yeah. So I think it sounds like good news. Maybe a topic for us to talk about in a bit more detail, a future webinar. Absolutely. I can see Chris Slater saying just had another one of those pop up at Kent recently. So that it is something that where universities are targeted for these. Absolutely. This is to say that the recording of the fair dealing event that we ran in conjunction with the Institute for Advanced Legal Studies, where we had Amanda Wackerook from University of Alberta and Kyle K. Courtney from Harvard. Join us back in February. And Amanda was talking all about fair dealing cases in Canada and looking at how Canada does kind of the sort of halfway between UK and US in terms of its legal tradition and some of the interesting things that have happened there around fair dealing. So that recording is available for anyone that wasn't able to catch it. Great event as well. Excellent, excellent event. Yes. And another recording of an event, another excellent event that was took place in February. A copyright, you know, flexible copyright exceptions. Emily Hudson was one of the speakers, I think, at this event that some of you might have joined live, but I've just popped a link, we've put a link into the where this is hosted on YouTube. So if you missed it and you want to catch up then and it's hosted by Felix Redder as well. And I think Ben White is speaking. There's a couple of other people as well. Did you mention Emily Hudson? Emily Hudson speaking. Yes, I did. Is Emily with us on the call? I don't know. I just want to give us a summary of what she said. Maybe this time later on. So moving on to the next one. The bookings for Ice Pops have opened. This is where the party pops. So this is going to be, I think I've said before, the best ever looking like. It's going to be the best ever. Not to say that the previous ones weren't good, but just this one, it's all coming together and it's partly. It's a festival of copyright interest. And because we're working with University of Glasgow, and Greg's doing fantastic work helping arrange things. Oh no, he's not setting up a beer tent. Sorry. And the partnership with Create, the research centre there. It's looking like it's going to be fantastic. The bookings are open. They're already coming in. We're pleased to see that. And we are going to be putting up a program. The program is coming together. So all forward to. Absolutely. Absolutely. Yes. Webinar evaluation, yes. Webinar evaluation. We want to evaluate what you think of this. We did this once before. We did. But we have been running these webinars for some time. As you know, this is number 60. And so we are planning. Oh, we have got a survey that we're we're about to start publicising. It is up and live now. So we're going to get an email out on this copy seek about this. And then the the call seek newsletter as well. But we would just like to give you kind of advanced warning of this. We are looking to build on the data that we collected from the survey we did right at the. I think we did it right at the end of 2020 where we were trying to sort of work out what impacts we've had and what we should do going forward. It was really, really useful. But we feel it would actually be helpful at this point to also just understand what what the benefit is of the webinars, whether you just want us to stop and go away, you know, whether there is something different we should be doing. So please do look out for that survey and, you know, tell us honestly what you think about what we're doing and how you'd like these webinars to be in the future. And we'd also say huge thanks to Sarah Hammond at Cambridge, who has been putting this together and has done all the sort of heavy lifting on putting this together. Absolutely. So this is the main topic. It's becoming a copyright specialist. Can I say something about the coming? You can. By all means. Yes. Yesterday I was hosting a webinar for my module with the fabulous Dave White from the University of Arts London. He's head of digital education there. And he was also talking about this idea about learning as becoming. And it, you know, when you study this project that a lot of it is about, you know, becoming that type of that, you know, whether it's a sociologist, whether it's a historian, it's a kind of process that you go through and it's about your identity. And this really, really resonates, I think, with this idea of the kind of, you know, becoming a copyright specialist, particularly when lots of us actually don't necessarily deliberately set out to do this as well. It's a bit of a journey. It's a bit of a process as well.  There's quite a lot of anxiety tied up in it. So I just think that this is really fantastic to have two great people from our community again joining us to talk about becoming a copyright specialist. And I, yeah, I see it as a process as well. It is absolutely a process. So we're going to have Tim from the University of Aberdeen in a moment. But first of all, we're going to have Lisa Moore, Copyright and Compliance Manager of the University of the Creative Arts. So Lisa, can you, can we hear you? Can we see you? Do you want to turn your targeting computer on? Here I am. Can you hear me? There you are, Lisa. Great. And I remember, I think the first time we met was January 2015. Cardiff. I was running Copyright and it was great to meet you then and obviously you are now, I think obviously you're going to tell us your story, but we work together on the Copyright Negotiation Group and all sorts of things and you're a regular at the webinar. So I won't say too much more other than to say over to you and thank you so much for joining us. Thank you. Thank you for having me. So it's great to come and sort of share my story. I've put on my first slide my double life because I don't do Copyright full time at the university I work at, but rather I lead this double life where I'm a yoga teacher and also a Copyright specialist at the university for the creative arts and that might resonate with some of you, perhaps some of you have two jobs and for me it's been really positive where the one has really massively helped the other. So I will talk a little bit about that. This is just a breakdown of kind of what I've learned. I'll go into this in more detail, but it's massively helped me gain confidence, be curious about possibilities, to take informed risks very important, not to be overwhelmed, to trust my instincts and to find a community has been really helpful. So I will talk a little bit about that towards the end. So a little bit about myself, so I was born in 1980, I think Debbie Harry had released Call Me, there were chunky mobile phones and BMX bikes and yeah, the 80s were wonderful. So I was born in 1980 in Hampshire, that's me on the left. And as a child I was not creative. I was not academic at all. I was very creative. So the idea that I would end up in a library at a university is just hilarious to me because I was yeah, I was not academic at all. And this images of me aged, I think maybe four, and I had created my own community of balloon friends. So when I say build a community this is not what I'm talking about joining a community but yeah, I was very artistic shall we say and yeah, creating balloon friends. So what that led me to kind of go on to was to go to art school. And from 1999 to 2004 I studied art school at the Surrey Institute of Art and Design and I gained a BA in pre-dimensional design and an MA in contemporary craft and probably the most sort of realistic picture of what I did was that middle one. I kind of did porcelain sculptures where they were little pieces of porcelain that slotted together to make these these sculptures. So I did a lot of that and I was lucky enough to be published in Surrey Review. I had an exhibition in London and very fortunate to go to Japan for a symposium there. So yeah, so I sort of had this artistic life which was great and interestingly the Surrey Institute of Art and Design became the university that I now work at. So I sort of came back full circle eventually. So after I graduated from art school I struggled to find a job because you can kind of imagine. So I went into archives and modern records management. I worked at the Surrey History Centre and looked after production records there and it really helped. It kind of helped me with things like attention to detail. I went on after working at the archive centre. I also worked as a registrar. So if you have been at the wedding and there's the person sat with the book, that was me. I was a registrar of the birth, death and marriages. And because I came from this artistic background I did struggle. I had dyslexia I struggled quite a lot and something that this really helped me with these jobs was just attention to detail and yeah. So moving on from that I kind of felt that those jobs while they were useful I really wanted to be an educator. I really felt that that was my kind of calling if you like. And so after a while I looked up jobs and would you know my old art school had a job in the library of all places. So I applied and got this great job in the library and it was really through encouragement of my boss at the time that they persuaded me to take the postgraduate diploma in information studies at Aberystwyth and to become a kind of qualified librarian and at the same time for some kind of crazy reason at the same time I decided that I would also take a yoga teacher training and do both at the same time which I don't recommend. So yeah so I kind of had this strange parallel where I was learning all this librarian work and then I was also training as the yoga teacher. So that's what I did from kind of 2009 ish. And while I was working in the library what I found how I kind of came to be in to do with copyright I loved tackling a tricky problem and that might resonate with some of you and that kind of got round to other colleagues. If something came in and it was a kind of tricky question or it was complicated and it had this copyright or something about ethics it kind of came my way because I quite liked tackling those sorts of things and the more I did it it wasn't part of my job I did it the more I got these queries to answer and work around. So I was very lucky that the sort of my bosses at the time sort of saw these queries coming in someone was looking after the CLA license someone else was looking after the ERA license and they kind of had the idea to actually bring all of it together into one job and I was kind of offered this job so I was very lucky that it sort of evolved and I was involved in kind of what that job description would look like so I was very fortunate from that perspective and one of the first things I had to tackle was they put copyright and digitisation together in the job and my university had 17,000 BHS to transfer also their original idea was to transfer all of them which was kind of a bit crazy but I had to tackle again this sort of tricky problem of what do we do with 17,000 BHS which is stored off site so that was one of the other things I had to tackle so working in an arts institution arts university does definitely come up with lots of interesting queries I get asked a lot about things like collages music the most recent one was about architectural plans being screen printed it really massively varies and I don't find that the queries that I get are always the same it really does it's just so completely different from one query to the next and I find that they tend to be layered so there will be a copyright element in there but there might also be an ethical component to that there might be like data protection it can be just so layered and part of kind of what I have to do is kind of take it apart in a way the query and examine it so that's what I find as well as dealing with student and staff kind of queries around copyright I also get involved in some of the projects that the university does so this project was Zandra Rhodes study collection and this is ongoing we're still involved in this so Zandra Rhodes was our chancellor at one point so we've been involved in digitising some of the clothes, the garments some of her sketchbooks these are some of her sketchbooks which are amazing I'll put the link in the chat so just really interesting and varied stuff and I get involved in how we're going to licence this and what kind of licence we're going to put out interestingly talking about Debbie Harry earlier the garments the drawings on the left are designs for Debbie Harry back in day so it's amazing but yeah I'll put the link in the chat and you can explore that collection if you if it's of interest so I kind of worked this job as a copyright officer and got a little bit more confident we would go out on the road to various campuses and we would promote copyright resources and my colleague who deals with open access she came along as well and we just kind of went around and talked to people and it's part of what I did but this is sort of what I wanted to really talk about something I massively struggled with was gaining the confidence particularly to speak in public and colleagues often other copyright colleagues I talked to it's massively about trusting that you know what you know you have all this knowledge you've done the events and you've done the research and just trusting that you do know what you know the event in 2017 was probably the scariest one I've ever done if you know the welcome trust there's an auditorium there and I couldn't believe when I came to this event that it was going to be in this massive auditorium so the picture on the left is just me petrified on stage but the public speaking does get better the more that you do talking in workshops about copyright and the same at the same time I was a yoga teacher taking classes and I gained confidence with having to demonstrate in class I had to learn about anatomy and things so massively gaining confidence and trusting that you do know what you know and trusting that and then I put in this slide because a big part of what I've learned is just being curious about possibilities so what I've learned is when a query comes in about seeing whether an exception applies whether a license might apply what about copyright duration has someone else had this issue and just being really curious and again through what I've done with my yoga teaching is a playful approach is not being constrained by what I teach and that it has to be certain poses it's having this more free approach and looking at all of the possibilities and then I guess this is probably similar for many of us to taking formed risks and particularly like the pandemic kind of forced that we had to start to think about taking risks to just deliver content to students and I've learned from artists that I talk to and having been an artist myself that massively part of the DNA of being an artist is taking risks is pushing those boundaries so I had to kind of find my rebellious streak as well when I first joined the university they were very much saying no to anything they were very risk averse and actually when you come when you learn more and more and more about copyright particularly about the exceptions and what's written in the exceptions actually looking at the legislation in detail you find that sometimes it's what's not said in the legislation and that can bring up possibilities so yeah the COVID pandemic definitely enabled me to take informed risks and then another thing I wanted to share was not be so overwhelmed I really felt when I first started my job as a copyright officer I massively felt the pressure to answer queries straight away that I think taking your time is definitely something that I found really useful like I've said taking time to unpick the query it's often layered for me and then this has been a more recent thing I've found is discussing the issue with that student or that staff member and having a bit of a two way conversation so rather than feeling that you have to have the answer that I had to have the answer there and then on a plate it's actually kind of discussing discussing that issue with them and saying well how about this and what about that in my in my yoga teaching quite often people will say well you know I felt this in my body here when we moved and we did that and it's kind of like oh that's interesting you know I don't necessarily have the answer as to why that might be but let's talk about that and kind of having that dialogue rather than I think I put too much pressure on myself probably to begin with that I had to have kind of a clear answer straight away so that might resonate with you and then just trusting your instincts I guess this is a time I mean I don't know what other people feel this might be like a time thing over time you start to develop a feeling for stuff and that you can gradually start to just develop your instincts about when a query comes in what your initial thoughts are as to whether it's whether it's kind of fair what they're wanting to do I'm constantly asking myself what am I comfortable what am I comfortable with and is this now veering out of my my comfort zone and feeling maybe that sometimes the person asking the query they want a particular answer which perhaps is not what you're able to to give so it's sort of trusting trusting your instincts and you're accountable so I think you've got to be comfortable with whatever you're advising and again the same with my life as a yoga teacher I stand up there I have to kind of have that accountability and what I've started to do is it's actually moved more into therapeutic movement and therapeutic exercise because that's just what I'm more comfortable with and what I sort of have belief in I suppose so my last slide is just around finding community and that's just been so helpful to have the copy seat community to have opportunities like ice pops to network with people to ask others and to just sort of chat not necessarily about copyright but about other things has just been really helpful so that copyright doesn't feel so scary talking about legal issues and legal implications is all a bit scary so having that community has definitely helped me and that's me I think that was 15 minutes thank you for listening thank you thank you so much Lisa that was absolutely fantastic really great round of applause so we've got some really great chat comments coming into the chat I would encourage people to either post questions or further reflections on everything Lisa said there's definitely a few things we would like to pick up so we're going to have a conversation at the end of the session where we after we've heard from Tim so that was brilliant was brilliant let us stay on the line later we'll come back to you I think there's going to be some interesting parallels as we're going on another journey aren't we now we are we're going we're sailing on the seven seas I think with Tim I think this one's got a bit of a nautical thing it is nautical but nice we've got there Tim are you there hello I can hear me we can hear you loud and clear so okay Tim Riley information advisor copyright at the University of Aberdeen can you go to you explain what this is all about please yes I have got some explaining to do I think okay thanks ever so much for inviting me to talk to you today it's wonderful to be with you and thank you everyone for listening as you see I've gone with a kind of piratical theme I suppose it's sort of copyright related for my presentation here I'm going to take you on a journey and yeah thinking about this it really is a journey I think rather than a destination I know that's quite a day to say but I'm definitely going to be focused on the becoming part of the question because I feel like it's always a process of learning you're always moving it's not like a set destination that you ever reach it's an ongoing process so I've got that quote there it's Ralph Waldo Emerson slightly out of context I think he was talking about life with this quote what is life without copyright really so what I want to do today this is my quick itinerary here I'm going to talk a little bit about sort of who I am how I ended up here that I want to look more generally at maybe some kind of personal qualities or skills that you might want to develop if you're thinking of becoming a copyright specialist and then I've just got a few tips at the end things that I've kind of learned along the way that might help you as well so yeah a little bit about me how did I end up here a question which I often ask myself and it might surprise you and it might surprise you to know maybe not that I'm another one of these sort of creative people basically a failed musician really so I'm not going to start right from the very beginning from my beginnings in the 1980s we'll skip through that bit but I'll start pick up with my yeah experience at university where I did a music degree as my first degree it was great fun I really loved it but when I finished I basically had no idea what I was going to do so I sort of I'm done and procrastinated and the only thing I could think of doing which is basically to do another music degree so I did a second degree an MA in music and surprise surprise by the time I got to the end of that I still didn't have a clue what I wanted to do I was in exactly the same position the only difference was I was significantly poorer than I was at the start of the degree so I thought it's time to go and look for like proper work so when I was studying I'd done part-time work waste disposal at supermarket which was not great fun and then I had a job I was basically working at Penn's Outfitters if you can believe it but yeah I didn't particularly enjoy it and then just by chance I saw a job advertised for a library assistant at the University Library where I studied this was down in Bristol so I applied for this job I had no expectations that I would get it but I don't know whether it's just because I had a nice suit because I worked in an outfitters but they offered me a job as a library assistant which I gladly took it was advertised as just being temporary for a year so I took it on and then when it came to the end of the 12 months I still didn't know what I was going to do but I went to speak to my manager and said look my contract's coming to an end what can I do and she checked with HR and there had been some kind of error and I'd actually been put on a permanent contract so I ended up working for the University of Bristol for a good number of years being various different jobs so my first role of course was as the library assistant and so I got my first introduction to copyright there with the usual kind of things you get told about copyright the limits for photocopying I worked a bit with our disability service in the library providing materials in alternative formats so I became a little bit aware of the kind of legislation around that kind of area so I was producing material actually making the alternative format copies for some of our users I tried to make Derrida accessible don't go there and also I worked a little bit social media was starting to become a thing so I was producing posts sometimes things Facebook posts that kind of thing so again I started to become aware of around reusing images and things like that it wasn't really until I moved on a bit further the copyright started to become more and more of a thing in the roles that I did so I worked for a while I did an MSc degree in library and information management like Huey I worked in the careers service where copyright was a major aspect what I did was when I became an open access manager at Bristol so with this I really became exposed to all the issues around licensing open access under mandates the use of third party material in publications that really came to the fore there and then when I moved on to become a subject librarian I was tasked with providing the copyright advice for basically anything that wasn't science so all the arts and humanities I was the main point of contact for anybody who had a copyright query around that kind of area and at the same time I took on a part time role as a copyright advisor for a MOOC massive online open course that was being developed by the university it was one of their first phrase into this kind of area one of the first ones where they were opening it up trying to promote it more widely to the public they were quite risk averse with what they were putting on there so it was my job was to source image source material clear rights with people the log of everything so that was probably the first job I had where yeah copyright was literally all I was doing that was only part time I then moved to Aberdeen and became a liaison librarian at RGU and then just over a year ago I got my first dedicated copyright post here at the University of Aberdeen so this is the first role in some time where all I do is basically copyright related stuff the scene here I've got a pirate captain in the image hopefully my job does not involve me leaving quite as much chaos and destruction in my wake as this picture might imply but yeah the main object of my role I'm after inquiries provide guidance for people I started teaching around copyright literacy particularly to post-bred students which has been really interesting students are actually a lot more involved and not more engaged with this topic and you might think she had been surprised some of them are actually more engaged than the staff I spoke with which is quite interesting also to oversee the CLA license managing that a really interesting copyright literacy project at the moment where we're making a copyright policy and a copyright literacy strategy for the University which is really exciting I had loads of questions about trying to find out what people are doing so if you've been on this copy-seek we've seen my pleas for information going out on there so there we go just to kind of make this a bit more interesting visual here is just a couple of things I've been working on so yeah I've been revamping our copyright guidance pages trying to make them more accessible a bit less like full story and a bit more short and digestible making information leaflets there I've got one about creative commons explaining through the medium of ice cream and then some of the teaching and presentations I've done promoting our copyright literacy policy there and as well yeah some of the teaching I've done with post-credits getting them to think about their rights when they're publishing so that's enough about me so let's look now at some of the personal qualities or things to think about if you want to become a very specialist I could also call this risk factors I suppose things to watch out for if you're concerned about yourself or a loved one you think this might happen to you here's what you want to watch out for so here we go one of the reasons why I am today is my inability to say no maybe this is a bit flippant but probably it's more like a willingness to take things on to take risks and try new things and to get stuck in that's also as has been mentioned already solving problems puzzling things out is a key part of being a copyright specialist in my opinion certainly something I've found is you need to kind of dig deep interrogate things think about different possibilities different options what can you do within the law what level of risk are you willing to take on and sort of slotting all that together as well being comfortable with risk and uncertainty of course there are many gray areas in copyright it's not always obvious correct if it's e-commerce the course of action is it's not always a clearly defined right or wrong particularly with copyright exceptions so it's being comfortable with risk and working with uncertainty as well it's something you might not have to begin with I think you can develop that skill as well another thing I think is really important is an ability to explain complex ideas in a simple and straightforward way people often come to you and they want to quit a straightforward answer as with copyright that's not always easy to do it's not always the case there's a simple answer that you can give so being patient being able to probe people and find out what they really want and then being able to explain sometimes quite complex legal ideas in a digestible and understandable way I think that's a really important skill to develop as well both sort of orally sort of two spoken face-to-face queries and also if you're writing copy for web pages and guides and that kind of thing as well it's important there of course as well and again here at Cats again, curiosity I think that's something that's really important if you want to become a specialist you really want to get down and know about copyright you've got to be curious and interested in it really be willing to kind of read around and investigate things think about different possibilities when inquiries and queries come in but also sort of keeping yourself up to date just finding out what's going on not being content with just looking at something on the surface level but really digging in and finding out more about what's going on what the current issues are and reading around so with all that in mind here are my tips for playing the sailing these are just things I found that have helped me in my copyright journey so as I said staying current and reading around I think is really important something maybe a bit maybe this is just peculiar to me but I found at least to begin with I almost felt guilty when I was kind of like reading things or watching webinars like it wasn't proper work but it is really important so I've been trying to set aside time dedicated time in the week to make sure I'm reading the news around copyright and taking time to educate myself I think that's really important and something not to feel guilty about as has been mentioned before as well of joining online groups and mailing lists I think that's really important there's copy-stakes obviously the obvious one it's been so helpful to me and my journey I really see this as kind of a collective endeavour and there's not just one copyright specialist it's kind of like a group we often talk about the copyright hive mind but it's definitely not a single person thing you're not alone there's so many other people out there so much expertise that's not invested in one person it's spread throughout the community and that's something to really tap into and get involved with so following on from that as well attending events working with people it's great to find out more about what's going on in the sector, what the developments are what other people are doing you can pinch ideas from other people with appropriate credit of course it's also really good I think just to find out that you're not alone particularly if you're the only copyright specialist or the only person working on copyright at your particular workplace it can be quite isolating sometimes I think it's good to know that the issues you're facing it's not just you people crap and the same things as well so all for attending events networking where you can of course it's not all possible to attend things in person sometimes things expensive to give your organization doesn't have much of a budget for these sort of things but since the pandemic there's so much stuff that's online as well so really take advantage of what's there something else which has already been mentioned again I think don't be afraid to ask questions and it's as much about knowing what you don't know what you do know not feeling under pressure to give people immediate answers if you're not quite sure I think part of being a specialist it's as much about knowing the right questions to ask and the topic to explore and the things to think about rather than having an immediate answer at your fingertips in every situation so that's something that I've sort of struggled with not being pressured to give an immediate answer if you're not sure and you need to do more research on something being confident enough to say that I mentioned teaching and communication skills before but some things I found really useful I've done the training on teaching I did a pure HGA advanced HE course on that that's been really helpful I even did a half day course on plain English which so so useful for graphic web content trying to make things digestible and understandable that's been really really helpful it might not just be copyright directly copyright related training and skills that are useful it's thinking about other things that relate to your role yeah communicate a big one like yeah certainly recommends doing courses on things like that UX user experience I've done training on that as well so it's really helpful so these related areas you might not immediately it's really good to explore these as well and finally look out for opportunities particularly if you're new and you're trying to get experience in this area look out for maybe projects you can get involved with webinars you can attend does your organisation need some of these like a second point of contact for copyright queries can you help out with that just look out for the things that are there because in most organisations I'm more than happy for anybody to step up and take sort of things related to copyright it's often seen as being really scary and most people don't want to attach to you the barge well so if you're willing to take this on most organisations would jump at that chance so make the most of it so yeah just to wrap up expertise it takes time it's a journey here I've got the copyright barnacles really awful messable but they kind of build up gradually they gradually accumulate and you don't realise how many of them you've got on your home and you suddenly realise you're covered in all this copyright knowledge so it is gradual and don't expect it to come overnight so yeah that's everything from me so is this the end as I said it's an ongoing journey I'm always learning and I'm happy to chat people if you've got similar issues at your organisation if you ever want to get in touch these are my contact details here so thanks ever so much for listening hope it was interesting maybe not very much new stuff but I think it's always good just to find out if people have the same issues as well so thanks very much thank you Tim absolutely brilliant we've definitely been on the journey we've been on the journey I hadn't thought about being barnacle encrusted but I guess maybe we all are to a certain extent it's a good metaphor absolutely so yeah Lisa, Tim, fantastic I think it was great and looking at the comments as well that we've had from others in the room there's clearly a lot of creativity in what you both do and that you're driven by that and I'm interested in the sort of complementary what might seem quite different about being a copyright specialist getting into the nuts and bolts of the law that you both picked up on and then some of the arts being an artist, that sort of being in that mindset and I suppose in some way Lisa, thinking about what you were saying about detail and finding it something where you weren't initially comfortable with getting into that level of detail but being an artist and being a creative person you do get into the detail it's quite a different thing and then the other aspect to that is when you are getting into the detail then you have to avoid losing sight of the big picture the whole thing all together what you're trying to do to help someone with I mean maybe starting with Lisa is that something that you've sensed that sort of is it complementary to be a creative and artistic person and then to be dealing with something which can be seen as quite administrative Yes and definitely there's that perception that my job is very administrative by sort of fellow colleagues and things but I think it's both isn't it it's having that level of detail and like I say only recently that I will go to the legal exceptions I'll look at the detail look at what's said in the exception but also what's not said and then the cogs start to turn and maybe that's the creative element I mean this is possible or this is possible and then things kind of open up so I kind of feel it's a bit of both for me it's having that detail and the patience to go through it and do the research but also then letting your creative juices sort of take over Great, great and Tim how does that dynamic kind of work for you is it the same? Yeah I think it's similar and I suppose as Lisa was saying I think in her presentation you kind of get a feel of an instinct things work as well I don't know if that's real it's the creativity thing but it's the kind of like almost I'm trying to say here but yeah you sort of you are looking at the detail but you instinctively start to get a feel for things as well as you become more and more familiar with it Yeah absolutely I think we did we did write at one point I think it's in the copywriting learning that working through this thing is as much of an art as it is a science Yeah I've just seen Andrew has put into the chat about artists and problem solving and it's all about working within limits so I think there are more analogies than you might think I mean the other thing is obviously I think that teaching about copyright it does there are certain subjects like music and art where it is much more obvious how it is relevant I was observing a music lecturer teaching earlier in the week at City as part of my job I was doing a peer review of their teaching and they were teaching about sound design and they actually started talking about copyright because they were talking about a podcast and they wanted students to kind of do some editing and then they were talking about sort of public domain audio recordings that they'd got that students could work on and things like that so you know it's kind of inherent I think in those subjects even if it's sort of it certainly doesn't seem like a natural route in but I mean it's how you got into it Chris as well isn't it from the music side so I think it's it's more usual than yeah than you might think More usual than not certainly what makes us interested in copyright is its relationship to creativity and what's that whole dynamic there another thing that we we've got a lot of comments about is around that feeling of guilt about doing your own professional development and a lot of people saying yes they do feel that something Tim you were picking up on Lisa if you had a similar sort of feeling around the time that you spend actually trying to keep up today Lisa you're muted Yes just definitely and like I think in the comments it was saying about webinars attending webinars and things you know that's massively part of your development so it's not time wasted or you know time away from other things it's really valuable Is it recognised in either of your job descriptions I was just kind of thinking about it like really to be somebody to be a copyright specialist to work in a kind of area like this we really need to be you can't answer the questions can you without probably spending almost like maybe 20% of your week actually kind of keeping yourself up to date at least you know I think when I was at LSE I had to spend a huge amount of time doing that I don't remember it being formally written down that I was allowed to do it I never do it anyway You never do what it says in your job description this is a point of principle I think it's explicitly stated in my job description might be wrong but yeah and it doesn't just benefit you it benefits other people as well and everybody else in your organisation so it's not just a purely selfish personal thing it's part of the job Yeah it's about having the update examples isn't it that you can use in your teaching sessions it's about you know I mean it's just you know there's kind of stories coming out all the time about issues related to copyright if you didn't follow them and you just sort of relied on talking about something that you've learnt about 10-15 years ago you wouldn't be doing your job properly and it's interesting after the pandemic you know my job has changed just you know because of the way that teaching is now taught where I work but I don't think my job description has been sort of updated to reflect that yeah it's interesting Caroline saying is any job description still accurate after six months on the job well yeah probably not and I think but part of that probably to be fair and this does I think link to the points that you're both making in talking about your journey and interestingly so that you were talking about the opportunity to shape that job typically when we come into a job you do shape it around yourself and there is an act of creativity in taking what it says and interpreting that into what you think is needed for that setting so I mean presumably your job does it continue to evolve oh yeah massively I now do data protection has kind of come into my job as well now so I take care of that component as well and again initially you think there isn't the crossover but like I was saying some queries have that layer in there as well where it's actually copyright issue but also data protection issue so there is overlap and some things I've been able to influence and bring into my job because I felt it's needed and then other things have kind of come come my way from from management and things yeah can I just pick up on Simon's sort of comment about how it's a really tough thing being a band of one and nobody else understanding what you do I mean I guess that's where both of you talked about why you've got a not just your balloon friends Lisa but your copyright friends now is that that is it ultimately what we've got to do I think can I ask Tim because you're now working on a copyright literacy strategy at Aberdeen do you think it's part of that to be trying to expand that out from being one to perhaps get other colleagues to engage with it or is there a limit to how much other people can if there is somebody who's the copyright person absolutely it's definitely about getting other people to engage as well it's not only about not having yourself as the single point of failure within an organisation but it's pairing other people as well I found other colleagues who I had no idea where we were interested in copyright but they thought yeah can I be involved can I help monitor the mailbox can I pick up queries when you're away so yeah there is there are other crazy people out there who are interested they come out of the woodwork don't they yeah it's the kind of it's the oh actually yeah just a clarification I see Simon said yes it's not a what always me point it's the point is that community is important both all of us doing this together here now and then within our institutions and linking all of things together it's very important but it does time is moving on isn't it so thank you so much everyone's already been saying in the comments how much they enjoyed it but that those were fantastic presentations really brilliant yeah yeah thank you so much so great to understand more about creative as well I have to say I just love both of your slides there's all the things in there who could not love cats and yoga and pirates and some fantastic images Tim I really your slides with they have made me chuckle a lot they're very very amusing it's wonderful thank you thank you both of you so before we finish we will of course just do the classic looking ahead to what's happening and Tim you made a point about keeping up to date and reading around we have a copyright news special next session on the 5th of May so if you're looking for an absolutely free to access briefing on everything you need to know about copyright you know the place to come at the beginning of May which is here and then after that we put in here now this is something people have known we've been working on for a long time with Bart Milletti learning on screen yep the code of fair practice we are anticipating we will be ready to launch maybe not before it'll definitely be a soft launch I think we will have something to share with you on the 9th of June so we're very very excited about that we are taking a break July is ice pop so we felt that we probably won't be running a webinar in July because we'll be getting ready hopefully seeing some of you at ice pops and August I think typically we haven't run a webinar, lots of people are on holiday if we get lots and lots of feedback and people pleading with us to do a webinar of course we're always available but we are looking for ideas for future topics we've just had a bit of an exchange with Christina if anybody else would like to speak in this series about becoming a copyright specialist and it is very much about that we want people at the start of their journey I know we had Chris later at the last session so people who are earlier in their career people who feel that they have maybe become a copyright specialist as well but we want a range of voices so we will probably do another one of these later this year but if you've got any topics then please do drop us a line and please look out for that survey and that's also the place to give us some feedback we have of course one last thing you've heard of chat GPT but it's nothing compared to cat GPT so here we go this is a close up of what do cats think 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This is going to be a quick talk on managing Python source installations. My name is Clark Boylan. I work on the upstream OpenStack developer infrastructure. And in the context of this talk, that means that I help perform thousands of Python package installations every day from source, and we do it mostly successfully. So I'm hoping I'll be able to teach crowd and those watching later how we've managed to make this a bit more reliable than when we started out. Quick disclaimer. I'm a member of many people, the Oslo team, Robert Collins, Monty Taylor, Doug Helman, and many others. So I don't want to take full credit for this, I'm just here to talk about it. And I'm also not a member of the Python packaging authority, which means that they may not agree with all of our opinions on these things or the steps we've taken to make these tests more reliable, but just be aware of that. So there are quite a few problems with Python packaging if you're installing from source.  A big one is it uses arbitrary code to install your Python packages. That's your setup.py file, which is an actual Python executable that runs and it can do whatever it wants. So you're kind of at the mercy of the package management system for the whatever package you're installing. There's a ton of non-compatible libraries that are used to do this.  Dependency resolution in Python package management is really, really simple, which means it's not robust and often breaks.  That new installation can break your old installation by pulling in something new that the other one doesn't like. You can't easily do reproducible installations, which means, you know, if you do an install today and you want to take that and reproduce it, say, in another data center or, you know, on your laptop, it's very difficult to actually do that. And then how do you handle system dependencies? Python often will link against C-Libs or other libraries like Fortran and things. How do you actually express your dependency on that and make sure that those are available in your system before you install your Python packages? So really quickly, I want to show some of the issues related here. We're going to go ahead and do a pip install of this package called Rdolol, which is on PyPI, and we'll see what it does. Oh, it just opened a YouTube video on my web browser. That's legitimately a package on PyPI that I have nothing to do with, completely independent of me, and that's the sort of thing that you can get out of Python package installs. It will go ahead and, you know, talk to your browser and open tabs and play music. There are many other arbitrary things that can happen. That's, you know, a quick example of the sort of thing we're looking at here, which can make dealing with these things quite frustrating when you're wondering, you know, why didn't this work? Well, it's probably because it can do whatever it wants. So some of the things we've done to address this. We've created a library called PBR, which is short for Python build reasonableness. I think Monty Taylor just wanted Keystone to have a friend in the Python or in the OpenStack naming system. What this library does is it reduces the copy and paste that we've had to do of setup.py files across OpenStack. It's configuration-based. So rather than having a bunch of arbitrary code that you need to carry around, it's expressing your Python package in configuration. That configuration is based on the original distutils-proposed configs, sorry, distutils2. Distutils2 has since died. That project is no longer alive. Python had decided it had fulfilled its duties, and they've moved on from that. So PBR is kind of the current incarnation of that that will go forward, at least with an OpenStack. The execution of PBR does depend on setup tools, which means that we can't fix all of the problems we have with Python packaging. In particular, setup requires installing the dependencies you need to build your Python package is a problem still. And it also standardizes quite a few common setup.py actions. So at least with an OpenStack, things are consistent for common actions, which is useful. And this is the entirety of a PBR-based setup.py file. If you've ever seen other setup.py files, they're quite large. This is a very, very short and simple file that is very easy to copy around, which is useful when you have, I don't know, hundreds of packages that we need to make sure are working. And then the bulk of the actual package configuration is in a setup.config file, which is not code, it's a Python INI file.  And this is from the Zool project. So the name, we've got the classifications, and then some entry points, and then, you know, we have extra packages we want to install. It's very config-based, which is nice, because now we're no longer running a bunch of arbitrary code to ensure that these things occur. Probably one of the biggest things we've done to make source installations reliable has been pip constraints, which is a feature that Robert Cullen's added to pip a couple years ago now, I think. And what this does is it bypasses dependency resolution by passing in a file with a list of packages and versions you want to install them at. And regardless of what any other package wants in its dependency list, pip will use the version in the constraints file instead. So if you say install package foo at version one, and some other package wants version 0.9, pip will go ahead and install version 1 instead, regardless of that. Which means you can do reproducible installations by collecting that information and then passing it around to other installations. Unfortunately, this doesn't address setup requires issues, which happens before pip actually runs the constraints handling. It's quite simple. This is the constraints for the presentation I'm giving, which is running out of a Python program. So it's package name to a version. You can then pass that into pip when you install. And so here I'm saying install doc utils. It will pick the version in the constraints file there. And regardless of any other version that wants to be used. We've also made a tool called Bindep, which allows you to specify system dependencies and then generate a list of the missing dependencies that you need, which you can feed directly into your system package manager. This is useful to describe the state of things that you need as dependencies to actually install your Python packages. It's fairly simple. It's you list out the packages you need and then you can also separate them by package manager platform or distro. And then you can also have tags like test or production, whatever you want to add in there. So a common thing that comes up in this space is containers and virtual ends. A lot of people think that containers and virtual ends fix these specific set of problems. They make certain things better. Containers in particular can help describe what system packages you need through your image builds. But really what they do is they make the deployment of Python package installations easy by capturing a specific state and then copying that around. But they don't solve the problem of building that initial state that you can then deploy everywhere. It's very easy to still have a broken install inside of a container or virtual end without having constraints and Bindep and things to actually describe what you need. So those are the things that we've done as OpenStack downstream and that have helped make our lives better. Upstream Python and PyPA, the Python Packaging Authority, is doing other things currently to make some of this stuff work better. In particular, PEP 518 and the pyproject.toml file will describe the dependencies that you need to run a Python setup.py. And then there's also the PIP file project which is kind of taking the idea of constraints and making it more rich and robust. And so you can specify a package. This package comes from, say, a GitHub repo. This other package comes from PyPI. This other package can come from your internal company repo. And then they all have these different versions. And then it'll produce a lock file which is kind of the new equivalent of a constraints file. And that file can then be passed around to do reproducible installs. But all of this is still kind of in progress. PIP file is experimental and pyproject.toml is just starting to kind of get out into the Python Packaging Authority tools. So I think we have like a minute, two minutes for quick questions if anyone has any. Not all I've got then. Thank you for your time.


I am Priyanka, so I have been with Manipali for quite some time now. I started my journey with Dr. Aarti Ramarau. She has been a very, very approachable doctor, you know, available at all times, very friendly and, like I said, very approachable, that's the word. So yes, so that makes the journey a lot more easy for people like us. So that's one, of course, and then when the delivery happened, you know, I moved on to the delivery, Dr. Deji did the delivery, and she was also somebody who did not feel like she was new to me or I was new to her. It was seeing this transition. So, you know, she took over and many nights she did the delivery. That's what happened and she's been, again, very, very helpful and instrumental in the things that went right. Hi, I'm Shantan Chaudhary and I think Priyanka already mentioned all the details of our journey with Manipali and all the people, the doctors, the admin staff. While she mentioned and talked a lot about the journey, I think the best part of the whole thing has been the relationships, the personal relationships that we have built with the doctors, the admin staff, the nursing staff, you know, once we got it admitted. So yes, overall, I would say it's been wonderful. They did not feel like I was coming to a hospital each time that I came. You know, people were known, familiar, they acknowledged, they were friendly. So that made it a lot different than how things are quite otherwise. So yes, I wish Manipali all the best and I hope they continue the good work that they have been doing for so long. Thank you.


Well, good morning. After an introduction like that, I can hardly wait to hear myself, so let's just get started. Hey, I count it an honor and a blessing to have an opportunity to be with you. If somebody would have asked me, what do you do for a living? Matter of fact, why don't you just ask me that? We live with them. I hang out with people. I keep it real with them, and I ask them to keep it real with me, amen? Amen. Now, how many of you want me to be real? Raise your hands. OK? If I'm willing to be real, how many of you are going to be real? OK, look at the guy next to you, say neighbor. Are we going to find out? OK, so my wife says, I need to change the beginning of how I start this, but let me just put it straight.  The Bible says in Ephesians 4, 25, cease then with lying and tell your neighbor the truth, because we're not separate units, but intimately united in Christ, amen? I think that's God's way of saying be real with each other.  All right, let's get started. Look at your neighbor, say neighbor.  James 5, 16 says, confess your sins once or another, then pray for each other that you can be healed. What does God not say? He doesn't say don't have sin, though John writes, I write these things to you that you don't sin, but if you do, you have an advocate with the Father. But James says, if you've got some stuff going on, you need to talk to somebody about that, pray about it, and then move on with your life, amen? Say neighbor. I can handle your laundry. Keep your underwear to yourself. Okay, so that's how we're going to roll here today. All right, the Bible says to know those that labor among you. So I'll share a little bit about myself, but I was sharing my pastor, I was sitting in the back during the first worship time that we had this morning. And I wondered to myself, do you really know what you got going on here? To see this many men show up, to see guys hanging out outside early, do you really know what you got going on? I get an opportunity to speak to a lot of men during the year. And I tell you, I've not seen it quite like this. Say neighbor. Let's not take this for granted. Say neighbor. Look me in the eye. Now look your neighbor right in the eye. Say neighbor. Say neighbor. Loving me is not optional. Okay, so, just a thought. All right, you probably get tired of me before this is all over with, but I'm going back. All right. Born and raised in New York City, grew up in a real dysfunctional family, anybody here ever grew up with some drama in your families? Okay. All right, so my mom was involved with organized crime. I don't really realize this organized crime until many years later. I began to investigate the mafia. I was like, dang, that's what mommy used to do. I was a victim of child abuse at her hands and realized it was child abuse until many years later. And I began to look at child abuse. I was like, dang, that's what mommy used to do. I saw a girl at a camp one time. She had said, T-shirt on, said, save your drama for your mama. Say neighbor. Bill's mama was his drama. Okay. And so I grew up a very angry young man. So it was me, mom, two cousins, A.B. and Betty. Betty was a wild girl. She was 15 years old when I was born. I heard she had a kid. I never saw that kid, but she lived a very promiscuous lifestyle. And I saw a lot of stuff that little boys shouldn't have seen. A.B., five years older than me, he was the brother I never had. Mom and dad never had any more kids. So I just considered him like my brother and still do to this day. However, like I said, I grew up angry. It hurt as a result of my mom's stuff. And one day I came home from school. I was 13 years old and some of her friends were at the house and they said, Bill, we got some bad news for you. Your mom passed away today. I remember taking my dog for a walk and I remember crying to this day. I don't know why I cried. I don't know if I was mad, glad or sad, but I kind of felt some of that drama was gonna stop. How many of you've ever had a day start out great before that day was over?  Anybody ever have a day like that? How many of you ever tried to fix the day and it only got worse? Say neighbor. No matter how bad it is, it can always get worse. And so I come home, AB has now come home from school. He's 18 years old. He sees I've been crying and he goes, why are you crying?  And he says, well, so what? She's not your real mother.  Look at your neighbor say neighbor. Dang. Okay. So what do you do with that? What do you do with that at 13 years old? What do you do with that when you don't know who Jesus is? My life spiraled out of control from that day forward. Went to an all boys high school, 7,000 boys went to my high school, played football there. It was a real good athlete in school. Football season ends, I quit school, began running the streets, hanging out with a crew that's doing bank robberies and murder and all this kind of stuff. So I joined the military to keep them going to jail. I thought that was a real good option. Say neighbor. Neighbor. However. We were in Vietnam at that time. Okay. Wasn't exactly the brightest bulb in the box, but by God's incredible grace, got me through the military. I didn't end up in Nam. I ended up over in Korea on the DMZ and it was kind of hairy and got out. And by this time I had gotten married to my first wife and we were married for 46 years and then she left me for another man. Look your neighbor say neighbor. And his name is Jesus. And she's with him now. I like doing that because people don't know what to do with that. And my current wife who we've been married now almost three years, I think she says, you need to find another way of saying that. Okay. But when on the police department they gave me a gun, a badge, I had a tremendous authority and the authority to take your life, to take your freedom, but I had no power in my life. And then one day I got real, December 26, 1980 at 2.45 in the afternoon. By this time I was a detective. I was on a SWAT team, had a real big Afro, Fumichu, Mustache, sideburns, all that to say neighbor. A lot has happened to that brother. I started getting that George Jefferson ear muff look. Some of you guys got that hair. No, no, no. Okay, so. And so I just shaved everything off. But December 26, 1980 at 2.45, I was watching TV and a man on television asked two questions. And he pointed at the screen and said, are you a sinner? I said, yep. You know Jesus? Nope. Call this number. I called the 800 number. A man explaining me the incredible love of Jesus Christ, the gospel of Christ, prayed with that man received Christ into my life, total deliverance from drugs and alcohol, filled with God's spirit. My wife comes home from shopping. I meet her at the door. Claudia, this is the new me. Jesus came into my life. I'm born again by the spirit of God. My name's written in the land's book of life. I'm a new creation in Christ. Look at your neighbor say neighbor.  And she went just like this. Yeah, right.  And I went back to work, a different police officer. And I went back to work and I didn't have to take that job personally anymore. And I understood why people did the things that they did because they didn't know who Jesus was. And so whoever had to lock up, I would tell them about Jesus. Hey, you know why you rob banks? You need Jesus in your life.  You need Jesus in your life. And I would see many of these men and women give their lives to the Lord. And so it's been an incredible, but crazy ride ever since then. Amen.  How many of you have found out life's a lot more difficult than you thought it would be? How many of you found out serving Jesus is a lot more difficult than you thought it would be?    No. Look at your name, say neighbor. What in the ham sandwiches that matter with you? No. And how many of us have one of these in our lives whether in Christ or out, something that you've done, your attitude about it is, oh my God, I hope no one ever finds out I did that. How many of us have one of those? Raise your hand straight up in the air. Say neighbor. And I won't be telling you about it either. And what that does, that puts us all on a level playing field. And I think a lot of times in the church we're so busy frontin' and actin' like we got it together. And a lot of us don't have it together. How many of us don't really have it together? But how many of us are good at actin' like you got it together? And you know in New York we call that frontin'. And let me tell you what frontin' looks like. I locked a young man up one day, I wasn't thinking, okay, we were in my office, I turned my back on him, I left my gun laying on the desk. When I turned around, he's got my gun, he's standing just like this. And I turned, I said, man, put that gun down. Put the gun down. Now that's how I look on the outside, but on the inside. I, and by God's incredible grace, he put the gun down and in the words of Mr. T, I beat that boy like a drum. Okay. In Jesus' name, because the Bible says whatever you do. Let's see. Okay. All right. So here we are at the Super Bowl Breakfast. And tomorrow, one of the largest sports events of the year will be played. The Super Bowl. You know, last week it was the All-Star Game. And the All-Star, you know, I listened to one guy, he was talking this week, he said, he loved being on the All-Star team because they're chosen by their peers. The Super Bowl, those guys are chosen by their coaches. And so I wanna equate it and relate it to Jesus. Let's take the day of the cross. That was like the Super Bowl in Christendom. In the kingdom of God, that was the Super Bowl. And Jesus had come to earth, God in the flesh. And the Bible says, great is the mystery of Godliness. God was manifesting the flesh. I believe it's kinda, he had a two-fold mission. I believe he came to show us what God was like and to show us what we ought to be like. And the Bible says when it came to the things of God that nobody ever spoke like he spoke, that his words had the ring of authority and power. He didn't speak like the religious leaders. Religious in this context, people who thought they knew what God was like and they didn't have a stinking clue. Look at your name, Saint neighbor. I can't stand people like that. And then he had the ability to change the lives of men and women. And when I read the scriptures, anybody who dared to be real with Jesus, their life was never the same. They would go home a different way. Ezekiel 46.9 says, when the people come into the Lord's house on the feast day to worship, let those who come through the North gate lead through the South gate. And those who come through the South gate let them lead through the North gate. Let no man lead through the way, through the gate rather, in which they came. I think that's God's way of saying when you come into my presence, when you come and you worship and you pray and you sing songs and we have fellowship together and we hear the word of God, we go home a different way. Look your neighbor right in the eye. Saint neighbor. Whatever you do. Don't go home the way you came. How many of us have some stuff we wish we didn't have? Anybody in the house?  I gotta get rid of this. How many of you tried to get rid of it? How many of you still got it? Look to your neighbor, say neighbor. Stop trying to do God's job. Because the Bible says he who began a good work in you will perform it. And the only thing that God really needs from us is our cooperation. And so I look at Jesus and I have a wild imagination. And maybe I allow it to go over. But I look at Jesus and he comes and he begins to get a team together. 12 guys. If we were in Canada, they would understand that. 12 man football. But he's getting this team together, okay? And he would be a player coach. And they would hang out with him and they would watch him navigate through life and they would hear things and see things that no one had ever seen before. They would watch him raise people from the dead. They would watch how he interacted with people. They would watch how he said things and then he would have those things explained to them. And they loved being with him. I would think, I think about this all the time. It would be awesome for me to have had the opportunity to be with Jesus for those three and a half years.  And now it's the day before the Super Bowl. And he's with his crew. He's with his team and they're in this room. And I love this. And so the translation that I'm gonna read from today is the Philips translation. I just love it because of the storytelling impact that it has for me. But here's Jesus and he looks at his team. He looks at these men who he is poured into. He has been with them and he's walked through thick and thin with them. And then, and he's got a couple of guys that kind of stand out. There's been a lot of talk about how this game's gonna go. That Ed Grankowski, whatever his name is, he's back. You know, Brady, he's there. You got Winces having the season of a lifetime. Philadelphia, and you know, there's a lot of smack talking going on about what somebody's gonna do and how this won't happen and who's gonna really win the game. And the teams do that and they get themselves all psyched up. So Jesus is talking to his team in the hopes maybe that that won't happen. And so he says these words in Luke 22, 31. Oh, Simon, Simon, do you not know that Satan has asked to have you to sift you as wheat? But I prayed for you. Wow. Here's the coach. He's talking to seemingly one of the main players on his team. Simon, Simon, Satan desires to have you to sift you as wheat. In other words, Peter, Satan wants to take you out. He wants to make shipwreck out of your life. But because the Bible is written in English, it doesn't really portray what it's saying in the Greek. Simon, Simon, Satan desires to have you. That word you is plural. So really what he's saying is he's focused in on Peter. Simon, he desires to have you all. And I believe that transcends down to you and I to take you out. But I prayed for you. Men, I want you to understand something that when Satan looks at you, he doesn't have a smile on his face. He can't stand you. You're God's creation. You're the sons of God. For those of you who have received Christ, for the Bible says here and now are we the sons of God. And it doesn't get a peer what we're gonna be like, but we know when he shows up, we're gonna be just like him because we'll see him as he really is. So he looks at you with contempt. He looks at you with disdain. And his desire is to take you out, to take me out, to take the pastors out. He can't stand us, but I prayed for you. That view is singular. The Bible says for he ever lives to make intercession for you. How many of you would love to have Jesus say a prayer for you? How many of you believe if Jesus prayed for you, woo, something gonna happen, anybody in the house? But what would he pray? What would he pray for you?  Oh, this is what I need. This is what I would love him to pray for. Look at your name, say neighbor. You pray good prayers. Jesus prays great prayers. He says to Peter, I pray for you that your faith doesn't fail. I pray that you don't lose focus. In other words, I pray that you don't forget, Peter, that it's not about you, but it's about me. And then he says, but when you're converted, strengthen the brethren. That word converted means to go in the opposite direction. So Jesus is kind of speaking prophetically to Peter right now.  But when you get turned back around, I want you to help somebody. I want you to strengthen somebody. Look at your name, say neighbor. To strengthen somebody. You gotta have some strength.  How many? Oh, just say, oh, this is not a trick question.   How many of us have gotten turned around so many times? It seems as though we're in a revolving door. Anybody ever feel that way? How many people have ever felt that way? Okay. Peter don't get it though. Lord, I'm ready to die. I'm ready to go to prison. Jesus always keeps it real. As a matter of fact, how many of you have ever played organized sports? Anybody here play organized sports? Raise your hand. How many of you ever got a pep talk before a game? How many of you were fired up after the pep talk? How many of you went out there and that pep talk didn't mean nothing in that game? That game didn't turn out like you thought it was gonna turn out. And you know what Peter finds out right here? Look at your neighbor and say this with a thought and say, neighbor, talk comes cheap in the locker room.   And I think about Peter. I am so glad that God put Peter in the Bible. Look at your neighbor and say, neighbor, if Peter's in heaven, you got a real good chance to get into. Every time you see a cartoon, he's standing at the gate deciding who gonna get in. I would love to step to that brother. Why should we let you in, Bill? How you get in? I just hope it's a cartoon. That's all I'm saying. But the deal is this. But we all know the story. And sometimes things happen. Sometimes we get busted up. Sometimes we get turned around. Peter, he wasn't soft.  He meant his words. But he tried to do it. He forgot maybe with Jesus heading John 15 and five without me, you can do nothing. Maybe he thought he could do this in his own strength. Maybe he could pull up his own bootstraps. I got this. I got you, Jesus. And when they were out in the garden and you could continue reading this for yourself and Luke out in the garden and Peter falls asleep. And a lot of times we fall asleep. And what I love about Jesus, nothing jams them up. Really, the only thing that really jams up Jesus is religious people. He comes out, couldn't you, they were asleep. Couldn't you pray with me for an hour? And then he tells them what to pray and he tells you what to pray and he tells me what to pray. Pray that you don't enter into temptation. And then here comes the posse. Hundreds of men with swords and sticks and torches. I love this. I love, because Jesus wasn't a religious guy. He steps to the posse. Who you looking for? You looking for Jesus of Nazareth. In other words, he was just like them. He looked no different. He didn't have a halo over his head. He didn't have a sheep around his neck. No melodic music playing in the background. He just says, I am him. The moment he says, I am. Hundreds of men fall to the ground. I think about this. Woo, if I ever went to lock somebody up, who you looking for? Tommy Jackson. I am Tommy Jackson. And I fell down. Say neighbor.  Then he allows him to get back up. And then Peter, strutters where he pulls out his sword, swings it at the high priest's head. My man does like the matrix. But not quite fast enough. And he cuts his ear off. And Jesus says, I speak the crypts and bloods. Latin kings in New York. Here's Jesus' answer to gang banging.  Then he reaches over and heals my man's ear. Can you imagine? Blood up. I'm residing tonight and I'm out. And then everybody runs away. And here's what the Bible says about Peter. And Peter followed from a distance.  You have to be close up on Jesus. Because the further you weigh, you move away from the light. The more darkness begins to creep back into your life. And he follows from a distance and they're taking Jesus from mock trial to mock trial.  I don't know that man. I don't know him a little bit later on. Hey, we saw you in the garden.  I don't know that man. Been a little bit later on, he's in the courtyard. And he's warming himself by a fire, a charcoal fire. Remember that, a charcoal fire in the cigar season.  Even talking to the point on the Mount of Transfiguration, God had to stop him mid sentence to set some stuff down. You talk like a Galilean. You are his disciple. The Bible says this time he denied the Lord with cursing. Not cursing like we might do if we get angry enough. But in the Greek, he says, may I be damned by God if I know that man. And often the distance, and the Bible says in Jesus looked at him, I wonder what the look looked like. I am positive of what it didn't look like. Here's what I believe it looked like. I'll see you in three days. And they took Jesus away and the Bible says they began to abuse him. And Peter ran away and he wept bitterly. And that even on his outside, he looked like one thing, but there was something deeper going on on the inside. And then we all know the story of how Jesus ultimately was taken to a cross. Barry rises from the dead. And what's one of the first things he does? He sends a message, go tell my disciples in Peter. Wow, what kind of a God is this? I think that when Jesus shows up in the upper room where they've got the door locked and he comes walking through the door or through the wall, peace, be of good cheer, it's me. Now the Bible does not say this, but this is what I believe. Because you don't hear Peter saying anything, but he's there. I think Jesus might be like, he's not angry at him. He's not disappointed. You can't be indisciplined in something that you know is going to happen. I think he's glad that he's there. A week later, the same thing happens. I really do believe in the depths of my soul that Peter does not know what to do with himself. I think Peter doesn't know how to get over his failure and his shortcoming. And so the Bible says in the book of John in the 21st chapter, and I'll read this. Sorry about that. Later on, Jesus showed himself again to his disciples on the shore of Lake Tiberius and he did it this way. Simon Peter, Thomas called the twin, Nathaniel from Cana of Galilee, the sons of Zebedee and two other disciples were together and Peter said, I'm going fishing. And they said, we'll go with you. What's he doing? He's going back to do what he used to do. He's going back to do what came easy for him. Is there anything wrong with fishing? No, unless Jesus has called you to do something else. And the Bible says that they fished all night long and in Luke five, they had fished all night long. They ain't catch nothing. And you won't catch anything either unless you're doing what Jesus has called you to do, unless I'm doing what Jesus has called me to do.  They don't recognize Jesus about a hundred yards away and he yells out to them, Hey guys, did you catch anything? No, or no. You know what no means in the Greek? Look at your neighbor say neighbor. It means no, duh. Take your net and throw it on the right side of the boat. Which meant they were fishing where? Or, or the wrong side. Say neighbor. Where you've been fishing. What you've been catching. How many fishermen we got here? Anybody here that's a great, okay. I'm not the greatest fisherman in the world but let's just pretend the boat is, okay, maybe this wide. They're fishing on the left side. Take your net, throw it on the right side. Now I'm not the great, but here's the story. If I ain't catching no stinking fish right here, how many fish am I gonna catch right here? Say neighbor. However, if Jesus says do it, do it. They pulled the net up. The Bible says they caught 153 large fish. John leans over to Peter. That's Jesus. Peter's fishing naked. What's up with this brother? I know you gotta answer but I'm just going like hey. Say neighbor.  So he puts his clothes on and he dives overboard and he's swimming to shore while the other guys are trying to bring the fish in. Okay, so there they are and he's swimming. And I want to stop right here. You know, there was a time in my life where I was really doing well and then all of a sudden darkness began to creep back into my life.  I was failing as a husband. I was failing as a minister of the gospel. I was failing as a son of God and nobody knew about it. God was allowing me still to continue on preaching and people were giving their lives to the Lord but I knew the stuff that was going on inside of me. And then all of a sudden the reality what Jesus had said to Peter, Bill, Bill, Satan desires to have you to sift you as wheat. And I was going home one night driving on a bridge just north of New York City, 18 miles north of New York City the bridge is three miles long and this thought came into my head.  And that night, the adversary of my soul made suicide seem very, very a good thing to do. And just as quickly as I heard that voice as this 18 wheel that pulled up next to my car, I had a little honk at that time. I was gonna drive under the wheels of the 18 wheeler. You could do with this what you wanna do. I hear another voice. And the second voice says, this is how the devil deceives my children into committing suicide. And those words spoke volumes into my life and they said to me that God cared more about Bill than what Bill was going through. And I needed to get off that bridge and allow God to deal with what Bill was going through. And it was awesome. And I remember like a joy came into me. That night I was going northbound. A week and a half later, getting ready to go speak in Russia, I'm coming southbound. Almost directly opposite where I wanted to commit suicide on that bridge. I'm behind the 18 wheeler. All of a sudden as I'm driving, I see something flying through the air. I catch it out of the corner of my eye. I hear a voice so powerful that if you put a gun to my head right now, I couldn't tell you if that voice was audible or inward. And that voice simply said, turn your head. And I snapped my head to the right and iron bar came through the windshield of my car, embedded itself in the speedometer. The window exploded, glass went everywhere, went in my ear and my hair, I had hair at the time. It was awesome. I looked over and there was a white lady in the car next to me and I looked at her and she was like this. And I remember saying, why are you making faces? You ain't in the accident. And when it happened, an iron bar fell off that truck, hit the road, bang, right through the windshield. I caught the truck driver at the tow booth. Yo, this belongs to you, pal. Guy pulls his truck through the tow booth. We get to talking. He gets mad.  Latino brother, mad. How come I'm not mad? Because this is a Holy Spirit Kodak moment for me. This was God's way of saying to Bill Page, if I ever wanted to get rid of you, I could. Look at your neighbor say neighbor. God doesn't want to get rid of you. But there's some stuff in you that's got to go. How many of us got some stuff that's got to go? Be real. OK? So this truck driver is a backslider. I lay hands on him right there on the highway. He gives his life back to Jesus, gets into his 18-wheeler, and disappears into the sunrise. Meanwhile, back at the lake. Peter, he gets to the lake, gets to shore. Jesus got a fire going, fish cooking on the fire. You know what kind of fire it was? Charcoal fire. Wow. It's only mentioned twice in the Bible. How does he do this? He's the God of the universe. Let there be fire. Boom. Yes. Let there be fish cooking on the fire. Boom. And I always think about where to get them fish from. Maybe they were 157 fish out there in the lake. He only got 153 and the four that were outside the net were going like, eh, eh, eh, eh. Say neighbor. I think Bill's on drugs again. OK, so the Bible says Peter goes over. His strength, he brings that boat in by himself. He's been strengthened. And they have a great time on the beach. And they take a time. They take their time having a meal. We rushed through hours this morning, and that's OK. But they hung out. And then there comes a point where Jesus says to Peter, do you love me? Yes, Lord, I love you. Take care of my sheep. They continue eating and hey, hey, do you love me? Yes, Lord, I love you.  Then he says to Peter, do you love me more than all of these? And I always wonder, what does all of these mean? Does it mean all of these fish that we've caught where you could be making a living doing that? Do you love me more than all of the disciples? You know all things, Lord. You know I love you. And then he says to him, and he says to you and I, you must follow me. You got to follow me, Pete. And then Peter points at John. Well, what about that guy? You know what I love about Jesus? He just steps to stuff. What is it to you about that man? What if I decide to allow him to stay until I return?  The guy that failed him, the guy that denied him with cursing, the guy that ran away when he needed him the most.  And Peter followed him. And sure, he had drama, and he had issues. He had to be confronted by Paul. Paul said I would stood him to his face, for he was to be blamed. You know what I thought about Peter? One of the reasons I really think that Satan would love to have taken him out, because he was real, because he was honest, because he was transparent, because he was vulnerable. He was always real. He was not always right, but he was always real. And I think there was something about that that Jesus appreciated. I mean, if you don't hear me say anything else today, the more real you are with the Lord, the more real you will see him get with you. He is awesome. When Peter gets an opportunity to write something in the Bible in First People, be sober. Be vigilant for your enemy. The devil walks about as a roaring lion and seeking whom he made a vow. Well, what do we do now? Resist him, Paul Peter, standing firm in your faith. He realized that it wasn't about him, but it was about Jesus staying focused in on Jesus. I had an opportunity to go speak to kids over in Italy. And my wife and I, we went down to Rome after it was over. And we were over near the Coliseum, and up near there, if you've ever been there, maybe, I don't know, maybe some of you've seen this, there's a jail cell. It's down in the ground. It's where they say Peter spent his last night on earth. When we got there that day, it was very crowded. And so he went to the hotel and told my wife, you stay here, I'm gonna get up real early in the morning. So I got up about six o'clock in the morning. And I went there, and there was nobody there, and I climbed down in the hall. And I just started, and I looked around, it's a little small and it's dank and damp, and I was like, wow. I don't know if it's a tourist thing, but it was good enough for me. And I sat there on the ground, and I thought about this. I thought about Peter. I thought about maybe what he thought about that last night before he was executed. I thought about him thinking back about the times that he was with Jesus, the things that Jesus had done for him, the mercy, the grace that Jesus had demonstrated for him. I wonder what it was like. And now it comes down to this. Jesus had foretold him that it would happen, that he'd be taken somewhere he did not want to go, and he'd be girded up in a way that he didn't want it. And now the reality of that had come to pass. Was it worth it to Peter? In that place, there's a podium very much like this. And just like this, it has a cross in front of it. And I looked across, but the cross is upside down. In the peace sign, the symbol of the peace sign, it's the symbol that's used in the occult. Do you know what it's called? It's called the Nero Cross. The cross of Jesus Christ turned upside down, both arms broken down towards hell. I don't know if it originated here, but church history says when they took Peter out to kill him, he said, you will never kill me in the way that you killed Jesus. I am not worthy to die that way. And they made him or he made them rather crucify him upside down. Here was a man that had maybe at the end of his life finally recognized the love of Jesus. You know what? I think about Peter. I could be wrong about this, but because of where he did ministry, you know what he woke up to every single day, probably for the rest of his life since he failed the Lord that night, off in the distance somewhere. And he remember. He remember something that God choose not to remember. Your sins and your lawless deeds, I will never remember them again. As far as the east is from the west, that's how far I will separate you from your sin. I will take your sin and I will cast it into the sea. You know why he says east to west, don't you? Because no matter how far east you go, you only go east. No matter how far west you go, you only go west.   God doesn't remember any of that, but Peter does. And it gives him the opportunity to remember the incredible grace and the mercy and the love of God. You know what I think Peter found out? I think he found out what you and I would find out if we really took a good look. He found out, I found out, I don't love God as much as I thought I did, but God loves me more than I can ever begin to imagine. That same God loves you that way. Last thought, man, and I'm sure you've heard this here. In the economy of God, regardless of what you feel about you, you were worth dying for. Greater love has no man than this and he would lay down his life for his friends, Jesus said.  The good shepherd lays his life down for the sheep. In other words, Jesus said, before you get one of them, you're gonna have to give me.   That God wants to make a difference in you that he might begin to make a difference in this world through you and in his mind, you're worth it. I know I'm crazy. I look at God sometimes and I just go, I don't get it. And I've asked God about this. I said, Lord, I don't understand your love. He said, you're right and you never will.  If you and I were worth dying for, it's not Jesus Christ worth living for. Look at your neighbor say neighbor. Don't talk in the locker room.  In Jesus' name, amen.


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