Welcome to Dear to Dream. This is Debbie Daschinger excited for this show because as I expressed a little earlier, I definitely have someone who's turned out to be very fascinating to me and a first time around the show. It's a visionary author of bestselling books and award-winning filmmaker and so much more. Definitely a healer who I'm excited to explore these realms with. Dear to Dream has been nominated for a Webby Award, two People's Choice podcast awards and was written up in Welp Magazine as one of the top 20 best podcasts to listen to this year. We thank them all so much for the accolades. This show is sponsored by Dr. Dean here in Access Consciousness. They do energy work all over the world. If you'd like to become a facilitator or take one of their courses, just go to Dr. Dean here h-e-e-r dot com or access consciousness dot com. I'm Debbie Daschinger and I teach healers, entrepreneurs, business owners, the time effective steps to write a highly engaging book. I also run a company that takes authors books to a guaranteed international bestseller and I do all the heavy lifting. And the third leg of my Visibility Hub is showing you how to be interviewed on podcasts and media and get massive results. If you're ready for more visibility, I've got some great free gifts for you so you can get there quickly. Go to Debbie Daschinger dot com slash gift and get your videos and your templates and your how to's so you can get on the track right now. I think it's more important now to be visible in media and use that medium while the world is shifting as it is. That's D-E-B-B-I-D-A-C-H-I-N-G-E-R dot com slash gift. So my guest today is Caroline Corey who's going to be talking about her latest findings and her scientific investigations on UFOs and extraterrestrial contact. She is somebody who has been working on films and during her last production she teamed up with scientists and technology experts who were able to record, collect and analyze UFO sightings in real time over multiple military grade state-of-the-art devices in multiple locations over multiple days. This is a first in UFOlogy and the findings apparently are mind-blowing. Caroline will also open up the connection of consciousness and intention with the various UFO sightings and interaction with potential extraterrestrial life. This is sure to be a fascinating conversation to open doors into future research and the understanding of this phenomenon. And among her recent accomplishments her films, Among Us and Superman, The Invisible, Made Visible have won nine film awards and multiple nominations at various festivals around the world. Her latest film is A Tear in the Sky, an unprecedented scientific investigation into UFOs and is due to be out in May 2022. You can learn more about Caroline Corey at omnionuniverse.com. And with that I welcome Caroline Corey to Dear to Dream. It's so great to have you. Debbie. So nice to see you. Finally. Yes, finally. And it's so cool how you came on the show. You know, everything's so energy. I get pitched and sometimes it doesn't make sense and I'll go, okay.   And then I had the time to find out more. And so let the games begin. I want to start with you as a child. And I think it makes a lot of sense now that I've seen some of your abilities like on YouTube, child in your life, you claim you've had UFO encounters, ESP, precognition experiences. Can you talk about this when these began and what kind of support you had or didn't have? Yeah. So when I was five years old, I had the first, I want to call it significant experience that I remember I'm sure I had before that but that one what happened was I was just there and all of a sudden I come in contact with these magnificent beings and we started communicating telepathically. And so at this time, at that time, I realized that I could see them hear them sense them and communicate. And so the energy was so amazing. It was like, just like blanket of love, you know, it wasn't scary, it wasn't weird, it was more like, oh, that's what it's supposed to be like, you know. So I went with it and I and that's when I realized they kind of showed me what my brain was doing to be able to communicate spontaneously like that. And they also said, and that was huge. Now I realize how huge it was. They said, if you want this communication to be maintained, you have to ask, meaning you have to focus your intention very specifically for that to happen. So I'm five years old right Debbie is like, okay, that makes perfect sense and I'm like, I want this I want this you know, but that is what got me asking questions. Wait a minute, what just happened here, you know how come I could see and hear and nobody else could. What did my consciousness do to achieve that can anybody do that. And so, because I was asking these questions, I got into the field of consciousness studies. So I developed methodologies for communication for healing for all sorts of things that we should normally be doing. And, and, you know, I trained thousands of people from around the world you know I did that for like 20 years I wrote books, trained people spoke about it and eventually and of course it's all connected with experiences of UFOs of coming in contact with extraterrestrial life it's all one thing. You know it's basically this visible realm that is part of this much much larger consciousness. And so I'm basically the bridge between the two, creating the language and the methodology. So, in a nutshell, that's kind of how it evolved. And then I started working with scientists. And I was like, wait, you know, whatever we're doing is working, we're getting validation, you know whether it's healing or a message or anything. So I want to bring that to the mainstream. And this is when I started making films about it so you know I have a few films out there. The latest one, I think, is everybody needs to watch is called superhuman the invisible made visible. And we literally bring, I mean we show people scientifically how the mind is interacting is affecting the physical world. So I'm going to stop here because I can just keep going. Okay two questions so superhuman and the other films where can people watch them. Yeah, so they can go to superhumanfilm.com for for the film superhuman. And the previous one that is more an extraterrestrial among us. It's, they can go to gods, among us.com. Okay, yeah or omnia media.com is all has all my films, including the one that's coming up, which we haven't talked about. And when you were sharing this amazing sounding experience. Do you know that anyone else in your family had experiences such as this or was it unique to you. You know, I found out much much later that my aunt was, I mean, she was into like astrology and stuff like that and aura. So she was very open. And I heard of a great grandmother who could see angels, you know, but that's about it. And so sometimes people ask me well here you are you're five years old me on this. Did you tell anyone. I actually didn't, you know, because at the time, I thought it wasn't anything special. I thought it was like, Oh, all kids do that if anything. I thought I would be embarrassed like if I say hey I'm talking to angels or you know or extraterrestrial beings and they'd be like, So what you know. So, so I kept it to myself. And which was a good thing because my parents would have said stop that or something you know. And so I just kept it to myself until much much later until I realized like wait, not everybody's doing that. And I started talking about it then. And you mentioned that they showed you what your brain was doing. Yes. Yeah, what does that mean what did they show you what were you able to perceive and harness at five years old. So so basically you know exactly at five years old. So it was hard it's hard to describe in terms of language because the communication is not language it's concepts. It's like ideas it's thought patterns that transfer from their consciousness to my consciousness. And so the brain is it's like a zip drive. So they send the zip drive the zip drive in itself cannot be read it needs to unfold unzip into your brain. And it showed me how this thought pattern whatever they were saying, and it would be like several pages of a book, for example. So an entire pattern would would move from their their consciousness to mine. And then I would see like my brain was like unfolding. The information so from the zip, it became like those five, six, seven pages of information, but in such a way that it would understand the whole thing in one second. So, so they told me so they were showing me how the process was working, and how my brain has this, the natural ability to do that. All I had to do is focus on this one central point. And that central point. I mean, later I understood what that is but at the time they were like, just go there, you know, it's basically a zero point.  So because of that, it's like a hologram. There's a central point it's like a Taurus, the central point is outside time and space. So, when you focus on that point, you maintain the entire brain structure in perfect coherence with the universal grid with with the planetary grid and with the larger grid system or patterns of the universe. So it's kind of like a Russian doll, like the small doll fits perfectly in the larger doll in the larger download. If the smaller doll is crooked, then, you know, it doesn't get the information. But if it's perfectly aligned, focusing on the zero point then all the Russian dolls like you know what I open up, and you can get any information from any point in space, because your brain has become coherent with all time space points within the universe. That's how telepathic communication works when you're receiving a message and instantaneously from the ladies. I mean, the information didn't like hop on the spaceship and, you know, travel linearly it's instantaneous because of that coherence. Amazing. Okay, so for folks who are interested in this and want to find out well what's the best way to discover my our unique prenatal contract and relationship for specific ET species that we may currently either be connected to subconsciously or consciously. How is it that we can do that. Yeah, so the methodologies that I've taught you know for all these years are on my website, you know they can go to Caroline Corey calm, but they're all based on the same principle, which is that coherence so there is a meditation I made it super easy super simple. One simple meditation can set up called connecting to source, meaning you become coherent with source. So on my website it's free of charge. Then there are very specific exercises and there's also classes on understanding how this planetary grid this larger structure works so that you know how when you position your brain within this larger structure, what is in your brain is actually tapping into the plate is what point in the brain is actually tapping into doctors or whatever. So, so all of this kind of specificity and discernment. It's a bit of training. I mean we've never taught being taught any of this. So that's why you know it's all on the website they can go and see how to discern subtle energy, how to receive. A lot of people get messages, of course you do to you know many people, but is there a method, you know, to be able to discern. Okay, this came specifically from my higher self versus my spirit family versus an involved person that's helping me in working with me versus the Archangel whatever you see what I mean like how do you have that clarity and discernment. So all of that is part of the training that I've developed because I think that is the fundamental basis of everything else. If you are not clear on the guidance how can you heal. You can have a sense okay so my stomach's not doing well or you know have this chronic chronic issue what have you. So, yeah of course you can bring in loving energy, you could do rake you could do all sorts of stuff that are very helpful. But what if you're able to quickly go to the root cause of the root cause of the root cause of the very first point in time space, which is most likely not even from this time space.  It could be another universe even you know what I mean, how do you go straight to that first root cause and do it reprogram it so that the current issue disappears. So it's that sort of specificity and that sort of training that is available. Okay, very interesting. And I am fascinated by it. Because it seems to me that that's what connects with your healing work and your healing abilities that you must access this in order to see a matrix of what's really going on through somebody because the work you do is palpable. So for who I know because I watched a couple of the videos and I was sitting there completely puddled whatever that was going on between you and them and it seemed profound in each of these people's spaces. And by the way these are free webcast folks you can watch or do these healings. And my YouTube channel. Yeah. So what one did you do. I did to to start with, I did the one about someone who was an unexpected guest on her, I think was financial anxiety you were unsure what she was going to come with the one that was, and that was super interesting, what came out of that for her. The one that was very profound for me was the one you did with the woman from Australia about her chronic pain. And, and she had had an intestine surgery and had terrible things befall her well during the surgery but then thereafter. And that was so powerful I almost felt like besides the specific things you were talking about with her body. I've had chronic pain in my left hip that I've been dealing with, and you could have been speaking to me about her family stuff. And I was just I listened twice I thought let this come into my space again because this is so powerful. Exactly and you just you just said it it's a matrix. So we think like sometimes oh when we're a child like we had this one trauma and then that's the reason why we're this or that today. Yes, it's true, but the way it registers in your body is like a matrix. So the very first day moment that you have an experience your dad your young that your the dad leaves the house home the mother is devastated you know whatever. And so, and so you have emotions that are unpleasant that gets you to a belief system. You start thinking I am abandoned I'm not good enough for my father to stick around or what have you. So you start creating these belief systems that you didn't have before you didn't come in thinking that way. You didn't come in as a baby thinking I'm not good enough. How could you not be good enough you're cut you know. So, so, so you start with that first belief system.  They don't it's an actual physical vibration and frequency it's you can actually measure it that goes in your body. It's like it doesn't go out and because you're talking to yourself, you're saying I'm not good enough. You're going to go in whatever organ that's this the most vulnerable at the time. Let's say it's your stomach for that lady, and then you already have that now you're living. You continue your life living with this one belief system. So then the next time you have whatever experience, you're going to go into it already thinking I'm not good enough. That you're going to have another experience that's going to pile up and give you certain emotions. And you're going to come to the conclusion of yet another belief system. I am. I'm a failure. You add that to the top you know on top of what you already have, and that gets registered in your heart, and so on so forth so as you're growing up you're piling up all of these thoughts and beliefs in your body in different places in your body, stuck mostly in one of the organs at the age of 35 or 45 you start having problems in that one location right in that one place. And so, but to undo that. If you go only to the stomach and take out whatever cyst or whatever happened ended up happening because of all of this accumulation of patterns. It's almost like it got registered in your body like a web like a matrix. It's throughout your body. And so the method is that yes to find the root cause the very first moment you had that thought in your stomach, but you also have to delete it from all these other places because it's a matrix becomes that's what a pattern is. So as you you're doing this methodology, you're going to see the one thought and belief in your throat and then the next one in your heart and then the next one in your back and then so on so far and then you're going to be extracting people and other people's frequencies and so it's kind of like you you're undoing that pattern all the way to the very first time. And then when you take that one off the whole matrix falls off and you're done. Very sophisticated, but it's also very precise. It's not just, hey, let's bring healing in general. So that's kind of what I train myself to do and train so many others that sort of specificity. So you have to be clear yourself first in order to be able to see with clarity like that. And okay, so to be clear, you teach this method people can become a facilitator in this. Absolutely. And I taught it for many years. But now because I'm making all these films I don't teach as much, but it's all on my website. Like people can literally just download the classes they can see all the images like all the, you know, the, and then practice sessions that particular class it's the healers program. And then they will learn the methodology that also includes light sound geometry all sorts of, you know, gravity pull in all sorts of different techniques that are based on the same principle. Awesome. So this makes so much sense when you describe it like this because this one particular person even though it was the intestines, you would go to her liver, you would go to her spine you would go to her shoulders sometimes she would come back to the intestines and so this makes sense of what what you're seeing and removing, so to speak and she is willingly releasing as well. A powerful stuff. Before I move to the next question, where are you from because somewhere I read that you're from San Diego but I thought you don't feel like San Diego you don't sound like San Diego. You mean what planet what universe. That's on the table. Oh my god I feel like I'm totally from everywhere and from nowhere. And I'm originally French but you know that doesn't even count and I don't feel like I belong to any sort of one place like I don't believe I don't belong anywhere and I belong everywhere. That's what I feel. That's how I felt the energy I got from you was like wow this is, you talk about global this is beyond universal. Yeah, that too. And also really, I sincerely don't feel I relate to any one culture or once it's like I really feel I'm part of like an earthly, you know, society you know I really feel that way like, for example, but from a practical standpoint like I lived in Japan for seven years. I really felt like I could be from there. Then of course I grew up in France so I was, of course I had you know that I have the European thing. I'm from the United States also so it's like, you know what I mean so it's like, it's like I really genuinely feel that there's no boundaries and no land or the sort of identity. You belong. I belong and I don't belong. Right now there's so much going on with UFOs, UAPs, the extraterrestrial field. I would like to get updated anything you know currently because you're very much on the pulse of all of this. What is going on right now with the visitors. Well, they've definitely increased their presence, that's for sure. But if you're talking more in a 3D sense like what's happening in a disclosure and stuff like that you know I don't know yeah it's all the same. That's so much. Yeah, they keep yeah I mean either I actually don't pay so much attention really because it's there's always some sort of scenario you know that works for whoever. But in general I so for example, maybe this will bring me to speaking about this last film that's called a tear in the sky. It's coming out early May so in three months, you know, and so we, I wanted to go out and film UFOs. In the film you know as opposed to analyze or talk about what's already out there. I said well is there a way to go out and like, you know and film it live and see what happens. I mean it's a huge gamble because hello we're like we're paying for cameras and crews and like, you know it's a huge huge investment. So, I had, and I was doing it with scientists who don't want to go there. But I was, you know, in my, in my hotel room I was like, Okay, you guys, you know, it's like, we have got to make this happen. Work with me what's going on. And so because we're only there five days, like what if nobody nothing shows up, you know right. So, so I was like very strongly connecting with the intelligence that was beyond. And they were saying like they are making their presence. First of all they did collaborate and we got crazy stuff in the movie as a side note. So they were saying that they're literally on the cusp of, I want to use the word leaking. We, you know, because I feel like that was that's kind of a connected question or answer. The wall is like the dimensional fields are thinning.  So if you are on one side, looking to the other side, you had to go through this very thick, long range of frequencies. And so when extraterrestrials would show up. It's kind of like, it would take a long time in a way and even when they did make it to the side, they couldn't sustain their presence for very long. You know, to kind of retreat so to speak, if that makes sense. But now, with the way the planetary system is moving the planetary grade grid has shifted the axis of the planet, the all the cosmic alignment, the astrological alignment, all of those things as of this year anyway, it's been happening for a while but now from 2022 that wall is literally super thin.  That's why I said leaking. So it's going to be easier for them to come to the side and sustain their presence and easier for us to see them. So and that also what this the way this affects the physical brain is it opens the pineal gland for one additional octave of light. Meaning you can right now we only see one octave of light there's 100 octaves of light in the you know we only see this much right the visual spectrum. So what an additional octave is huge. So, so it's almost like instead of going the visual spectrum and then nothing, you can't see x ray you can't see I mean the average person, I can but and some people can but but so instead of going from visible to nothing. From visible to somewhat visible to less somewhat visible to not visible you know what I mean. So you've added you're you've extended that octave of light, meaning you're going to be able to see spirit UFOs, all sorts of things that were hard to see they're going to be much easier to see, which helps a lot because when you're saying you're talking to somebody who's not sensing something is and then you're like 100% you know you know it's going to be easier for them also to see these things and sense these things and when I say see it's not only visual it's also the sensing the feeling the whole experience does that make sense. Yeah, it makes a lot of sense and so it makes me wonder then is there a connection when you say all this between consciousness and intention, because you use some of this for these UFO sightings, as well as the ET interaction so we have a better understanding of the phenomenon. Yeah, absolutely and so that's what I started to say during the film. I was like you know these guys I was working with they're like okay let's just go and point our cameras and our equipment and I'm like. No, we have to kind of like have the intention and because we not everybody was on the same page I had to do the work myself. I was like, some of them were but I, it was this was a big production this is a big film. This is a huge film people need to see this. It's never been done this way before. It's crazy what we did. So, but anyway, all this to say that I had none of this would have happened. If I had not put a very specific intention and anyway, I mean regardless extraterrestrial contact or not. Nothing happens ever without intention without focusing your intention. So, you know that that's that's that's fundamental understanding and now more than ever before you want to do this again because the walls are thinner like it's literally super thin right now. So, this is the more than ever the time to to be practicing that. Yeah, and it just harkens me back to what you said in the very beginning about being five years old, when you're getting these zipped downloads and they say to you, you must ask. Exactly. You employed this five days of shooting. What did you know exactly where you were going to go was a very precise locations and what happened, what did you see. Yeah, so what happened was, we wanted, I mean, so I ended up originally I was teaming up I was going to create a team of scientists and experts and stuff. And I stumbled on this group of that they had the navy of folks who experienced those UFOs, those tic-tacs, and they already had a couple of scientists working with them, and said, Oh, that's perfect because then I can just, you know, bring that team together and do an expedition to catch. And because they were involved, I thought, Why don't we make it that we're attempting to capture the tic-tacs. That wasn't our original idea, but the location was the place where they caught the tic-tacs and where they keep catching the most tic-tacs which is off of the coast of California, off of Los Angeles and the Catalina area.  And so, so that's kind of so we ended up, I mean, I don't want to like spoil the surprise, but one of the things I already said. I mean, I already kind of said one of the things was tic-tac objects that traveled exactly in the same way.  I mean, it was thorough investigation, studying the files, also doing what's never been done before, correlations with other instruments.  In fact, I should probably show it. At some point, I'll show it during the conference at the conscious conscious like expo. And you will see the, the amount of equipment we had, we had cameras. You know, they're called FLIR cameras military grade. This is what the military uses. The temperature of objects. And of course, it's the infrared range that's beyond the typical camera infrared, you know, you know, commercial consumer level it's like. And so, so we would we were capturing objects that would register cold. So, how could an object fly in the sky and measure cold if it has a propulsion system propulsion system should have heat that you know according to the laws of thermodynamics, you know, I mean, and so that's when, for example, we know it is an anomalous object. And when we study the file we make sure, do we have it from a different angle to what did is there was a radiation that happened at the same time so I mean, it was that sort of very rigorous investigation that would, and then finally we would come to the conclusion this is 100% an anomalous event, because boom boom boom, all of that stuff. So that's what people are going to see in the film and what we ended up finding I can. Yes, crazy stuff crazy, crazy, give can you give us one something that you didn't know before. Yes, okay, virtue of doing this you know now. Okay, well, I already I'll tell you, but the tic tac I told you already there's other ones to I'm not going to say I let people have a surprise but we did find also an anomaly that looks like what we think is a warm hole. Crazy.   Because they say that often how they travel people have said, how is time travel possible. These are universes future past concurrent, you know, so far away it's impossible but that sounds fascinating. That's beyond fascinating. And you know, so, so of course we run it by NASA by like all the organizations like what is that is that some sort of atmospheric like event that we don't know about yet is like, I mean nothing checks out. So what is it. You know, so when you capture, because it's not even an observation we captured things on camera multiple devices and from multiple locations, pointing at the same thing. And nobody can, no scientist on the planet can tell us what that could be. Then that's, that's pretty intriguing. Yeah, it is.  Are you in constant contact with a species or several species of alien races. Yeah, so when I was five that those beings that came in contact with me were what I call my spirit family like that's that's another reason why it felt so comfortable it was like, Oh, what took you so long kind of thing you know, it was a recognition of a vibration of a feeling. And those beings and another reason why they came at the age of five is because to teach me that whole intention thing is to tell me that they will be with me my whole life. So and that's the way to maintain the connection. And so it's kind of like, I was on this side of the veil in physical form, and they were my continuation like there's no, no stopping it just like I they continued to be me, I continue to be part of them this way. And so, and so that it was the purpose of this interaction this locking in for me to continue maintain that but that also showed me where I was from. And I realized, and that was a huge understanding is that everybody has their own lineage. So that's why some people talk to play deans others talk to Syrians others talk, like why aren't we all talking to the same play deans for example, because, yeah, because it's, it's your unique lineage that you are bringing through, and it's extremely purposeful. Because as I maintain this consciousness, that is my lineage, everything that I do on this side of the veil meaning in human form and physical form through this apparatus through this body. Every time I speak every time I breathe every time I express myself or whatever I create art what doesn't matter. It is my entire divine cosmic, whatever you want to call it lineage that's coming through this particular human form. So if you did that with the play deans lineage, and he did that with the Syrian lineage and he did that with the Syrian lineage. What happens is that on the earth plane. We are pouring into the collective consciousness, this new energy these new patterns. So, so that the future human has this hybrid you know has this evolves with all this knowledge from the world that we are all bringing through. That's why our role here is to awaken to our lineage because if we're not conscious we're not bringing anything through. You see, so it's not about mediumship it's about this apparatus, being so pure and so ready to bring the energy through and it's pure form. So that we can contribute in our own unique way, our lineages can come through and evolve the human lineage to the next level of awareness. And with your connection with them. Do they give you missions to they say, here's a project we'd like you to take on and it's going to help us on the other side help humanity and you know see if you're willing to step up to the plate. 100% of my whole life is it has been a mission. I feel like every chapter is very specific. Some chapters have been to not be in public at all to just figure out all the training that I've taught and everything else.  I wasn't supposed to be talking I wasn't supposed to be teaching I was, you know, and I was doing all kinds of like reconfiguring and all sorts of things inside me, so that I could go out and do it and then at one point it was teaching teaching teaching teaching teaching. And then at one another point it was and writing, writing, writing. And then now it's movies movies movies. So, it's definitely very specific when you are conscious that every chapter has a specific mission of course under the same bigger umbrella but it keeps moving you to moving you to next chapter. Yeah, the post COVID world seems to offer new opportunities for those who are willing to view it like that. And it's really possible right now to create a new world view and a radical change. Is there anything you know of that's evolving right now into this new world using science using healing ecology consciousness just ways that people may not be aware of but is actually an opportunity and an availability. You mean a tool. I'm not sure I'm sure anything that in your discovery whether it's in your contact with the your people your lineage, or it's with the work you're doing that allows you my sense of you to be able to see how your metrics goes way beyond individuals, and that it's probably global. Also, and maybe even deeper than that. So that I'm really asking your wisdom, I guess the question and the scientist in you. I think, I think the, we're at a juncture where I feel I did this talk, people want to listen to it as well it's on my YouTube channel I have a ton on my YouTube channel by the way people want to go there. All kinds of meditations and classes and talks and stuff. So, you know I highly recommend but the last one I did was January like I always do one in the beginning of the year. I always do and I was saying that it's what I actually just said because the world's like there's no more gray area. It's like, either it's black or white, either it's fear or love. Before we heard these concepts before that part is a new, but what's new is you don't have the option anymore. What's new and that's what's different. This makes it a sense of urgency. This makes it that if you are not going to quickly discern where you fall, you know, on whatever subject. It's not going to keep you there it's like it's not going to happen. And so, so that's the reason why I encourage people to, and that's what I did in that talk I, then I did the meditation to help people get there to, to really look at every area of their life and the COVID thing is very interesting. So interesting. It's like COVID came and said, Okay, stop. Just stop. Let's start over. Let's reevaluate everything in your life. So that kind of forced us into it but now you have to do it on an individual level like you have to really take charge of that look at every area in your life, and be very clear, do you want to heal or not. Do you want to succeed at this or do you want to stay in an unhealthy relationship or not. Okay, do you want to, you know, it's like no option because if you stay in an unhealthy relationship out of fear out of misalignment or out of this out of that. But it's just, it's going to force you, you know what I mean that's what I'm saying it's going to happen for you so that's why I'm saying this is the time for real engagement and decision making decision making. Yeah, I understand it's a time of reevaluation. I understand it's supposed to be a very good year, and I also understand it may be a year of a lot of endings. And I think we're seeing that just the enormous amount of celebrities who have passed away and been in the news. It's, it's pretty, you know unprecedented this early on in the year. So, as far as the good things, the other, let's say the opposite of reevaluating and reconsidering. What are things we can harness this year that can make a really big difference with the no choice that we have about step. Yeah, with all of that, what's becoming available is this new timeline. It's almost before like you had this timeline this timeline and you can take time to get on that bus and you know, now it's like, no, it's either this or that, and it gets you boom straight on the new timeline. What is the new timeline. The new timeline. It's a little bit of a long conversation, but I'm trying to summarize it so. So there's a larger under a kind of plan, if you will, moving the earth and the entire planetary system into perfect alignment. We've been tempered with 200,000 years ago, and now we're being re integrated within the universe like in the perfect alignment so that has started a long time ago, and we still have 250 years before that comes to completion, meaning in 250 years, it sounds like a long time in terms of universe ages is nothing it's like three generations. So 250 years it's almost like this is where the whole planet becomes perfectly complete and whole and imperfect resonance with within its alignment with the rest of the universe because it hasn't been we haven't been getting the message and nothing you know it's been like a mess. I mean, it means at that time there's no illness there's no, you know, spirit is here physical is here it's consciousness everything is a consciousness based society. So it's, it's more of that understanding so. So, so what what bring bring you back to where we are today, getting on making that choice of what's become available is is a timeline, which is the fast track is like a new highway, just opened up to get you to this 250 years, meaning you can start living at that level today. And what, and what this also means, you know, same thing spontaneous healing on a mind level, the subconscious mind dissolves away think about this. All our fears are confusion why we do things when we create things we don't want to create because of our subconscious mind. We say we want a relationship, but we can't get it.  That's not you don't create anything this way. You're the conscious mind is saying something in the subconscious is saying the opposite. And so, if the subconscious mind is no longer. Then, when you say I want a relationship boom it happens. That is the new highway. So, it's almost like all of these great areas hidden subconscious, you know things that we just that got us in trouble actually because we couldn't tap into them are dissolving away. So when you start to make that choice, you start to manifest very very quickly and start to live at that level very quickly. Does that make sense. It makes so much sense and it actually speaks to this impulse that I've had I do music. I'm a singer I sing in a band called lions of lira like the planet. Cool. It's so beautiful we do this music as medicine, we've performed all sorts of places. And I we're we're shifting into these events very healing events very uplifting events, different than what anybody else is doing and I, I can't even I'm chomping at the bit so much. The energy keeps feeling to me like I'm at a racetrack and the gates going to open and I must be there at the forefront I've got to get dates on the calendar. We've got to rehearse the first one has to be next month it just has to. No space for waiting anymore. Exactly like that's it the highway is like there and probably that energy wants to come through you. So much. Yeah, so that's what I'm saying like a suit because you made a choice. You said at one point you said I want to create the music of the future of whatever the energy you know. So that's what I'm saying you made a choice you're not like, I don't know. I'm in fear.  And just think about that. You know that when you start to to think about anything and it just manifests instantly like divine intervention, you know, kind of I mean you're intervening but you know.  Yeah, they'll do it. Hello, right. The people, it all it just happens, and it gets better and you learn and. Yes, and then you do that and I do that and our friends do that, then it starts to even build even more momentum. That's why like you should be like you are the examples just do it and bring others with you. That's great. That's beautiful.  And I know you offer these as courses to awaken our innate superhuman skills. Can you just talk a little bit about what this blindfold training consists of. Yeah, so when I was making the film, everybody should see that film. It's huge how empowering it is to see actual scientific experiments demonstrating the power of the mind over physical matter telekinesis and so on so and so at one point I saw these kids, the first ones I saw were the ones in England, and I was traveling in Europe I said I'm going to go see it for myself because you never know on the internet you know. So, basically, the children were training themselves to to see completely blindfolded. So I'm telling you right now, there's no I don't know who does that as a trick. I don't know I'm speaking for the ones that I have done and seen that I've taught myself that I know for 100% fact. So what happens you're completely blindfolded.  Perfectly precisely, there's no hole in the mask, even if there's a teeny tiny hole. Yeah you try getting on a bike or on a roller blades or you know and you know, completely blindfolded like that. It is insane. And then we see them able to see behind their back. How do you figure. So, it's 100% true that this is an ability that these kids and adults have developed. Now the interesting thing is, it has many repercussions I mean you're going to say well I have eyes why should I be blindfolded and learn to read without my eyes, because that's not the point. The point is you are training your brain to do something. Technically it's not supposed to do. And it doesn't. You're saying we see because there's light, the vision works because there's light. Well, you're telling it well now you're going to see even that there's no light and it does cannot be more empowering than that. You're basically manifesting a physical reality, simply based on intention. And also, this training has a lot of side effects I mean positive side effects, you know for kids who are autistics or ADHD, or have any sort of problems, it gives them self confidence and gives them focus, gives them clarity, even adults as well. It has all sorts of additional benefits that I thought it was incredible and that's why I put it in the film as the last chapter, I think everybody should see that as well and we are teaching we taught it online. When people go to superhumanfilm.com, they can see the classes there as well. And you can see trailers to exactly what Caroline is talking about it's amazing to see these tiny little kids with a book and it's almost like they're completely covered, they can't see a thing there's nothing here. And they're not it's not it's not like someone who would be reading there's something else going on and yet it is very clear they are and they're reading with rapidity. It's so fast and amazing and there's another little child sitting there enjoying this story and she's I think was covered too. Yeah, everybody's covered. And when people would say oh it's a movie or not please I mean come on I'm not going to put my reputation on the line and put some tricks on you know in my film that's all scientifically based. So, so, for example, like you also they didn't know what I was going to show them so they'd be sitting there and I'd like hold up just something you know or a letter or a word they didn't know. So it was random, and they would be like boom boom boom. So it's extraordinary it's incredible and when you talk to these kids. I mean I remember the little Justin so cute. I would say so he would tell me the story where he would just talk to, he would see Jesus and he would talk to him, and he knew what planet he was from. And he remembers his past lives but he's talking like it's no big deal. These kids are talking about energy. They're talking about consciousness. They're talking about extraterrestrials like, hey let's go have a lot I mean like, no big deal. And that's when you know there's something amazing happening to them with them that they're that's helping with that ability. Oh, God bless the next generation is going to be awesome. The current the current you and me too. Yeah, so gifted like I love, they don't have to go through all the weird decades of what we've witnessed I think that it's so natural is. It says a lot about what's to come that makes me excited. Yes, I know that you're a frequent guest on TV shows like the unexplained with William Shatner also history channels popular ancient aliens. What do they bring you in for to be a featured expert. Always what it has to do with consciousness, because that's my field, but also anything that's to do with invisible things you know aliens communication topics also like Akashic records you know like immortal, you know, beings and things like that. So, this is totally my field, you know, because I work with you live there do you work do you have you met William Shatner have you worked with him at all. Oh, he's in my new movie. Oh nice. Yeah. It's here in the sky. It's here in the sky has William Shatner in it. And yeah, and so he's he was interesting he was very, very, very fun he's a bit of a clown. So we were trying to make like a scientific thing you know in the movie but he kept like cracking these jokes. I mean I use the couple and the movie but it was it was a blast working with him. He's awesome. So nice. Yeah, you have upcoming the Los Angeles Conscious Life Expo. You are you're giving presentations you're in a lot of panels you're going to be busy that weekend. I know I know they put me in a lot of things so I hope a lot of people will come because we haven't done anything in person for a long time. So I hope it will, it will be amazing it's going to be amazing I mean I just love those conferences so. Me too it's it's a must. I get I have to fill up by going there so I'll be there folks who want to go it's the Los Angeles Conscious Life Expo.com. And just know if for some reason you're in a health condition or you're in another country that you can't go, you can still pay to live stream, and you will be having front row seats. So they have the camera and everything you can pick and choose what you want to see, you will not be omitted from anything so live of course. I always recommend that's the best and you can see people like Caroline right up close in person it's going to be amazing huge venue tens of thousands people come in and out. Well worth it. And what do you do Caroline every day to ground yourself do you have like a ritual or a practice that you engage in. Yeah, I actually start out very soon as I open my eyes, I noticed how I'm feeling you know I mean like, because you wake up sometimes with emotions, whether it's a dream or something or you're right away you're worried about something that's going to happen your mind is already going. So before I get up I'm like, okay. Reset clear anything that's weird or whatever and then so I really do my breathing and I do a very quick reset in the morning with the intention, and then I go off throughout the day. I also do the same thing. You know when I'm working as soon as I feel myself going, you know, this is going too crazy. I feel like these little things throughout the day you know, and then before I go to sleep I do the same thing except that I purge, you know anything that just sometimes it's conscious sometimes subconscious like whatever came in. I didn't miss that was misaligned that's not part of my purpose that's not serving me flush it out and I visualize I bring light. Again I do that meditation that's on my website, seven minutes long it's free connecting to source. You flush out everything else and then wrap yourself in the ball of source energy and set the intention for your sleep because people think like you're sleeping you're detaching but you're doing a lot of work. And many things can happen during your sleep, you could be out of body certain attachments could come in as all kinds of stuff. So, I said the last intention also before going to sleep. If so this is kind of my normal routine it's just like micro micro adjustments and just staying in this alignment. Nice. Okay. Nice pieces people can add in there if they would like to. Just to remind you her website, the universal website is own, own the end universe.com and Caroline this is dare to dream what are you next day to dream future dreams or goals for me is really everything that I'm doing is for the purpose of evolving the community I mean, why else am I here what am I contributing to you know, and so my dream is for people to really really feel within themselves at a deep cellular level just like I did when I was five. True essence, their connection to who they really are their original divine lineage, because once they do everything else comes this you feel centered you feel calm you feel clear. You feel the presence of direction, the healing comes the empowerment comes the clarity comes everything comes from that. So, I am really hoping and wishing that everybody would achieve that this year, and the years to come. It's wonderful. Remember folks you've got the highway. And now to do that. So it's very well get on board it is truly our time. Thank you so much for coming on the show it's really it's been a joy for me to have you. You too. Thank you so much for having me. Yeah, awesome. I end today's show with this quote from Caroline Corey. If we want to create heaven on earth, then the starting point must be heaven source, not earth. Subscribe to this number one transformation conversation weekly dare to dream. Leave a comment share and next week on the show the guest featured is William Henry perfect segue he's an author, investigative mythologist art historian, and the spiritual voice and consulting producer of the hit history channel program, ancient aliens as well as hosting two Gaia TV series programs. Thanks so much for joining us today. Remember, if ever it was your time, I hope you're receiving the message from the show. Don't just dare to dream dare to get on the timeline and create the purpose the mission and your contribution of why you're here.


Hello everyone, I am Trisha Dora-Burra from the Bhupan Hazurika School of Mass Communication, Krishna Kanta Hanik State Open University. And I would like to welcome you all once again to another informative online class. In today's online discussion, we are going to talk about Unit 3 of the paper, Traditional Folk Media, which belongs to third semester of BA program in journalism and mass communication under Krishna Kanta Hanik State Open University. Now, we have been talking about the importance of traditional folk media, you know, how folk media is helping us. Now, do you really think that the growth of electronic media have had a massive impact on traditional media? And if so, to what extent electronic media might have had a massive impact? Definitely, the growth of electronic media, people have, you know, they're completely, I won't say completely, people have kind of, you know, lessened the need to go through different media forms. Because electronic media is at our fingertips. And these days, almost every one of us, we all have our Android mobiles. We just early in the morning, if you want to look at any news stories, we just click a mobile phone. And then, you know, we just check and Google the different news stories. And one of the basic advantage of electronic media is that every second, the news is being updated, unlike print media forms or maybe traditional media forms. So, we are always on the go. We are so much busy with our own lives. So, we just take the help of the mobile phone, maybe we go to our workplace, we check for any other email or any kind of important messages that might have come.  So, that is how people, the work ethics have become. The way of, you know, understand the way of how work activity has become. Even then, we actually cannot lessen the impact or importance of traditional media. And with the electronic media boom, people, they actually fear that traditional media might fade away. But that might never happen, as it is an inseparable part of Indian culture. Definitely, electronic media, the importance has risen, but this does not mean that the importance of traditional media has come down. You know, and some traditional media like the Jatra or the Nautanki occasion includes the film-style songs these days. Even television shows use puppetry or the folk dances. And the different films for a long period of time, they have used folk songs or folk theater forms to appeal to rural masses and generate the uniqueness. For example, I think most of you have seen the film Bhavani Bhavai, it is a 1980 art film, where the Bhavai folk form of Gujarat is used. Or the film Peepli Life, it is another popular film from the Hindi film industry. And in this particular film also they have used the different folk songs to make satirical comments on common people's problems. And even in Gangs of Vasipur, that's a recent movie, I think 2012 was released. And in that particular movie also there is a nice fusion of folk music, modern songs, which actually could be seen. And in Paheli also, the 2004 film that was directed by Amal Palakar, it was actually based on the culture Rajasthan. And if you clearly remember in this particular movie, puppet was used to start and end the story very beautifully. So as a whole we can say that, yes, with the passage of time, new technologies have come up, we have new forms of electronic media, we have new forms of online media to communicate. Yet the value and the importance of traditional media has not come down. It's mostly seen and the importance and the value or the identity of traditional media could be actually seen mostly as very much prominent, most specifically in the rural areas. And there is also certain kind of interdependence between electronic media and traditional media. And of course one ricks that remains is that we can't intermingle both these two forms. It's easier said than done because we need to keep the traditional folk media intact. We can't try to incorporate some kind of modern elements to it and bring out the remix version of it, which actually will not sustain in the long run. So there has to be some kind of difference. We should keep both the two mediums separate. But yes, that can be interdependent. Electronic media can play important role in popularizing different traditional media forms. That can be done. And folk media will always remain people's media, definitely remains people's media. Electronic media might never be able to challenge existence completely. Rather we can say electronic media have actually depended on traditional media forms. To disseminate important messages to the masses. I think most of you must remember the satellite instruction television experiment that was conducted in 1970s. And the Khera experiments. In that those experiments they actually made use of the different electronic media forms to popularize the folk media forms. And of course cinema have always used traditional folk media elements to narrate the different stories to the people. Now lastly let us come to the different application of traditional media for development purposes. Now we have been talking about how different traditional folk medias are there in the country. Whether electronic media have had some kind of impact on traditional media or not. And lastly we have tried to understand that what implications can be there if there is impact of electronic media on traditional media. Now the fact of the matter is that traditional media have really been used for development purposes. Or it's just like people just make use of them and just say yes we have used this. And there is no such resultant kind of good activity arising from that application. Well definitely traditional media has been used for development purposes a number of times. But the focus is not there because the people they don't try to focus more on the traditional folk forms. They try to focus only on electronic media forms, different online media forms, social media and so on and so forth. Now the different public and private organizations they have made use of traditional folk forms for development purposes. For instance we have the Song and Drama division of the Ministry of Information Broadcasting under the Government of India. And this public body is the largest public body just it gets involved in such kind of activities. They try to make use of different traditional folk forms and they carry out different, they try to sensitize the people actually by using different folk forms in different places across the country. And this particular division it tries to sponsor a large number of departmental troops and private troops for organizing the programs. Which includes folk plays, poetry, recitation, puppet shows, religious discourses and folk songs and folk dances. And even the Song and Drama division they make use of the puppets in its campaigns to promote the various government projects and life insurance corporation of India use puppets to educate the rural masses about the life insurance. Of course apart from that you know this particular division also carries out different folk performances. I mean they try to organize different folk performances like plays, strict theatres, puppetry, ballads in different parts of the country. And they used to focus on certain socially relevant issues like they used to focus on family planning issue, maybe on savings or alcoholism or domestic violence and there is on patriotism or environmental causes or simply you know to eradicate those different superstitious beliefs from the minds of the people. And of course we have some other private organizations which actually also makes use of extensive use of different folk media forms like we have the social action groups. And the social action groups they use tradition folk media for development activities as well. And when we talk about development in India the development is mostly concerned with developing the rural setup because the government's focus initiative is in incredible India on using more indigenous kind of products to generate income or maybe using more indigenous product to you know generate the livelihood of the people at the rural level more specifically. So as far as India is concerned our focus is on that the development aspect is concerned. And what better way to you know disseminate such kind of messages other than the traditional folk media forms because traditional folk media forms are mostly very much you know prominent at the rural areas. You know of course in urban areas also we could see in some pockets we could see their importance is there but more specifically in the rural areas. So they actually need you know the importance of traditional media was actually felt in the post independence period as well. Even during the making of the five-year plans. But the most important turning point came in 1972 that was when the UNESCO and International Planned Parenthood Federation they organized a series of meetings in London and thereafter they laid a lot of importance on integrated use of traditional and mass media for spreading the awareness on family planning. So the MacBright Commission which was actually set up by UNESCO for study of you know communication problems internationally in 1977 in its report titled One World Many Voices. It also have this particular report even they recommended that one should actually make use of traditional media even in the present context. And of course there are other important examples of development practices to traditional media. For instance street theater. Street theater is very popular to advocate and as well as inform. And I may talk about the origin of street theater. This origin can be traced to the radical political theater. And it emerged not only not from the folk or traditional theater form but rather from the tradition of Indian adaptations of western proscenium theater which were very much popular at that particular point of time in the urban centers. And the main groups which were actually involved in this type of popular theater they were the social action groups which are known as SAGs the health and agricultural extension workers, student activists, the political parties, the religious reformers and other women's organizations. And even you know the IPTA group that's the Indian People's Theater Association. They also contributed towards disseminating information regarding the development purposes for developing issues by performing different kinds of plays all across the country. And even doing the Bengal Femin, the Bengal Indian People's Theater Association they actually played a very prominent role because during this Bengal Femin which took place in 1943 it had a huge impact as far as the country was concerned more specifically in the state of West Bengal and at that point of time the situation was horrendous. So they wanted to focus the situation at that point of time of Bengal and as a result what did they do? This particular IPTA group they travelled all across the country. They used to perform different plays and they tried to expose the hoarders as well as other black marketers and they launched a campaign to save food. Even not so long ago the Heartcare Foundation of India in New Delhi they took the initiative to use folk media to run campaigns across rural India to educate people on healthy nutritious eating habits. Of course we have our own electronic media to look into. We have radio, we have television. Even all India radio they have for a very long period of time they have used folk art from folk music or other oral forms to help the farmer and village community develop it by focusing on different farming methods, by focusing on different rural related problems or solutions to how those problems can be mitigated. So different issues have been tried to look after by the all India radio. And of course Indian television have also used the different folk forms very effectively for the development purposes. And as I just said a few minutes back about the site program, the Satellite Instruction Television Experiment as well as the Khaira Communication Project. Now both these two projects actually it showed that how electronic media and as well as traditional media have actually helped the people where these two experiments were conducted they have actually enabled the people to educate them as well as inform the rural masses for the development. So, so far with this we have come to the end of today's particular unit 3 and in this minute we have tried to understand the historical overview of traditional media in India. We have also tried to understand the different traditional media forms in India and the impact electronic media had on traditional media and finally the different applications of traditional media for development purposes. So with this I come to the end of today's discussion. Thank you all so much.


Welcome back, time to dive into the national delis. They have some interesting headlines on the front pages. Glad to say we're joined by Ezekiel Eaitouk, an architect, public affairs analyst amongst many other things. Mr. Eaitouk, thank you very much for your time. Always a pleasure to be on Rosti de Africa. Thanks for having me. Fantastic, fantastic. And he joins us from Uyo, as you can see, at the background there. All right, let's go straight to the first one. We'll start with the nation newspaper, which has the following headlines on its front page. The big one there, PDP, Board of Trustees, fails to resolve article Wikei rift. It's an interesting series of events. Yesterday, Wikei is currently in Abuja, so let's see how that goes. Trustees divided over IU's SACC call by Rivers Governor's men. Wikei's government made about two demands. Number one, that IU should be SACC. Number two, that I think you should sign in black and white on the dotted lines. That he'll do only one term. It's critical times for the one time biggest party in Africa. All right, more from the nation this morning. Waibuhari okayed 1.5 billion Naira to buy vehicles for Niger Republic. That was a big story yesterday. Lots of Nigerians commenting on it. The previous day, David Houndain, Nigerian investigative journalist, had put out a copy of a budget office document that said 1.45 billion Naira was approved by Mr. President to be used to buy 10 Toyota Land Cruiser V8 vehicles, SUVs, for the Republic of Niger. The woman was on TV yesterday. She had to face the press after the Federal Executive Council meeting, and she explained that this were to be used for security purposes in Niger, which by extension affects Nigeria. All right, Russia-Ukraine War, Nigerian Vasty to absorb 2,500 students. NBC finds Trust TV 5 million Naira for documentary on bandits. I watched that documentary. It's not a new one. It's been there. But I think because the BBC Africa Eye documentary has been trending on YouTube, more people have just now seen the Trust TV documentary because YouTube will suggest it to you. A lot of people are watching it like me. I watched it for the first time after watching the BBC documentary. It was also quite interesting, quite revealing, and as a result for their troubles, Plus TV will donate 5 million Naira to the Federal Government of Nigeria. I hope that money goes to Asu. Next one, Laowan, level of insecurity frightening. This is after he met with the Service Chiefs yesterday in the heads of security agencies in the country. Oshimole dismisses Rao of a Muslim-Muslim ticket. Freed train passenger terrorists have moles across Nigeria. Freed train passenger terrorists have moles across Nigeria is what he's saying. More from the papers this time we go to the punch on Thursday. It has these headlines. A big one there with a kicker. Rising terror threats. The headline says, National Assembly leaders fret. Rally security chiefs for protection is the way the paper is put in. This is an interesting twist, an angle from the punch. It says, Rising terror threats. National Assembly leaders fret. Rally security chiefs for protection. The writers to that headline. Senate holds a marathon meeting with military police, DSS chiefs seek solutions. Attacks on Abuja daring. Terrorists no more afraid. It says, House of Representatives. IG meets police commissioners. Insecurity most frightening now, Laowan. Right, think it's come to the aback here and of course it's expected that they will take note of what's going on in Abuja. Nigeria's budget deficit hits a 30 trillion in 70 years, page 21. You can find details there. Pay rise, FG excludes state vasties, ASU kicks. Agreement non-binding on states, FG. Outrageous Buhari gifts, Niger Republic 1.1 billion Naira SUVs. I think the document said 1.45 billion Naira. Government defense action says it is in Nigeria's interest. Oyelola, Makin, they tipped to lead Attiku's campaign. All right, Makin, they was Wiki's right-hand man. I wonder if he's shifted base. FG fails to disbuzz over 11 billion Naira fund. This is according to Minus. FG fails to disbuzz over 11 billion Naira fund. Lakers man tricks baby mama. Disappears with three-year-old twins. Protesters, gunman kill, abducted Lautech student in hotelier. I think this is after ransom was paid. And the final one from the punch. FG approves 2.59 billion dollars for Badagri deep seaport project. Where will the money come from? I'm sure it's a question you might be asking. Let's flip over to the Daily Trust this morning. Of course, there's an organization who is thinking about how to wire 5 million Naira to the federal government in these times. They have the big story. Condemnations as NBC finds Trust TV, a 5 million Naira of a banditry documentary. DSTV Star Times, TSTV also find. Reacted in public interest. Trust management, activists, academics, flay government. The paper has been doing some very good work in recent times. Even with the headlines that it put out, you see they're trying to be different and trying to be investigative. And it's expected that at some point you attract the attention. Maybe like Too-Face said, if nobody talks about you, then you're nobody. Okay, let's read some of these headlines from the Daily Trust. Northners in fear as IPOB kills eight Nigerians in emo carts away head. PDP crisis, close ranks. A close ranks with a WKBOT tells a TIKU. Close ranks with WKBOT tells a TIKU. Funding forex crisis grounds indigenous vehicles. And the last one from that paper, insecurity, Air Chief orders maximum firepower against terrorists. I don't think there's any paper that's given us this information. Insecurity, Air Chief orders maximum firepower against terrorists. IGP summons police commanders and DHQ upgrades intelligence management system.  FGE justifies purchase of big kills for Niger Republic. Some of the headlines on the front page of the trust, the Daily Trust. Finally, we have the Guardian. The paper has an interesting take or interesting front page big story. Quite different from what other papers are looking at. Funding insecurity stole $2.8 billion AKK project gas export. Funding insecurity stole $2.8 billion AKK project gas export. The writers of that stakeholders consider options for gas export amid Russia-Ukraine war. Divestment drilling upstream investment cloud gas export potential. More from the Guardian. Government concessions pedigree. Deep sea port at $2.59 billion. FGE defends $1.145 billion Naira vehicles purchase for Niger Republic. SAC silver to defend defamation suit in U.S. Buhari Arch. IPOB cautions against sale of ancestral lands to federal government for any agricultural project. NBC finds trust TV, DSTV, TSTV, NTA. Interestingly, yes. $20 million Naira for airing documentary on banditry. And PDP crisis, BOT sets a panel to resolve atiku wiki a few. It's quite interesting what the papers are saying. We welcome at this point, once again, architect Ezekiel and Yaituk as we look at some of these stories. I think, Mr. Yaituk, let's start with the daily trust and the online TV, what they're going through. This $5 million Naira find federal government had also had some strong words for BBC. If you watch that documentary, it's quite revealing. It may not be as have the finesse of the BBC standard, but it was quite revealing, very revealing indeed. Do you think they deserve this fine? It's not quite a difficult question for me to answer, but I'm just wondering why they would want to go the wrong route. Maybe to discourage other people from giving the public the information that they already know. Because all those things are triggering on the social media. I feel the pain of government, in a sense, but they should realize that for as long as they do not want to take the necessary action, the people will go out of their way to look for answers. And it is very instructive that while the federal government I wouldn't say they say they don't have the information, but I wonder if you look at that documentary, the fact that the guy can have this communication and have this detailing tells me that the federal government is in the know of all the details. And why are they allowing us to go through all these pains? I can't understand. I think that we as Nigerians need to have a conversation on this issue of insecurity and what we think should be done. Let's go over to the punch newspaper with these particular stories, or the nation rather, sorry, or the nation newspaper. It gives attention to, unsurprisingly, to the rift in the People's Democratic Party and the moves by the Board of Trustees to resolve that rift between Wike and Artiku. The Wike camp have made some demands. Number one, Iochaiu must go. Number two, Artiku must sign that he will do one term. We hear that Wike loyalists who are members of the Board of Trustees, like Professor Jerry Dana, were not at the BOT meeting which held yesterday in Nabooja. The BOT, they have created a new committee to meet with Artiku and meet with Wike and try and see how they can interface. What are your thoughts on the state of affairs in the PDP? You see, I think we are just trying to fulfill Professor Len Papu in the way it should because it often said in the memory of many stretchers, PDP was in power and there was a problem with same reverse states at Mechi. And so, of course, there were friends unsympathetic to PDP as at that time, which would prevail on the president and the system to close off ranks with, you know, Mechi and who was the governor of reverse states. And they, to help with him, they dismissed the guy and he left the party with five other governors. I can assure you that Wike is not a moon ranger. Wike has been a strategic player in the political arena in Nigeria and it will shock Nigerians, not Nigerians, it will shock PDP where they are going and how it will end. If I were a friend of advocate, I would say swallow your pride and close ranks with Wike. That's the best advice I would give you. But on the other hand, because I'm not one of those that is really interested in PDP anymore, obviously, not just because I'm in African Democratic Congress ADC but because I really don't feel anything about these two parties, ADC and PDP. To that extent, I'm just going to watch them and watch it end. And I foresee a situation where Wike, looking at the situation of things, forms an alliance with a certain force in the north and it works with one of the new generations. I am hoping that it will be with the ADC, you know. But I see, you know, sometimes we mix up between Labour Party and Peter Obi. Nigerians are not particular about Labour Party. They talk about Peter Obi if you think about it. So a lot of times, two picks of things. But in ADC, they talk about ADC holistically and ADC having come third in the last general elections against relative good structures across the country. So I foresee a situation where they have an understanding and we in ADC, we are starting to talk with all these people so that, you know, people say that our principal has been quiet, that's because this guy is a strategic striker and thinker. That is how we won the primaries. We have seven points to general election. So these are the times for in-house strategic, you know, stations and networking. And I'm sorry to reveal the strategy and game cross ADC. But we are, when we come out Nigerians, it's going to be like a bang. It's like this guy has hit us again. Election is not in two months, five point three months time. It's about seven months time. So you've got to let to play your game and it ends on a bang, on a high, you know. So those are the things that I'm saying. And some of us are saying, well, Lord, let it be as you pleased. That's why the Bible says that God said he had deemed Pharaoh's heart. So why are people not cool down and talk to, you know, friend to friend, rather to brother interest to interest and rather, in my opinion, play the high house ride. I think that it's just making the inevitable concomitance to come to play. All right. Still with the nation is around federal government through the Minister of Finance and Budget Business Department explaining the whole, you know, one point one four five or is it four one five billion era story that was put out by investigative journalists. It's interesting to see that this man somehow seems to have forced the government to reveal this donation to the Niger Republic. But it didn't come without an explanation. She says that it's in the interest of security. What are your thoughts on this? You know, the house was born in the Persian Raj for Bush. I think that the concept of national security is not understood by people in government. They see national security as soldiers keeping bandits. It goes beyond that. What is the oxygen in the bandits exploit? It's the availability of recruits. How do you take the wind off their sail? Is people come back in and look for a way of giving these young people an alternative which is a better future? Why can't we just be strategic in thinking? For me, I've concluded two things and I pray I'm wrong. Number one is completely. I think there is a certain relationship between the people in power and the bandit. That's why the banditry has become a very big enterprise. People are benefiting from it. Imagine from the train, the people that are kidnapped at the train, the Abuja train. They have made over a billion. How many cows will you sell to make that amount of money? It catches a simple person and they ask for 100 million Naira. This is when it's starting like this, before it becomes an epidemic of some sort which is a given dimension because you discover that once something of an enterprise is no longer going to be restricted to a race or a people or a tribe. If you have something that even an acquired woman will now say, oh boy, I've been here without work. We don't go catch a person and then we'll get 10 million. How many years of work will I do to get 1 million, not the top of 5, not the top of 10? We need to have people who care about this country, who see beyond their personal interests yesterday we just, my strategy team, we're just putting together and we're like, look, what is our unique selling point? What are we giving to the people? And one of the things that is letting people understand that service will be the motivation of seeking public office and its imperatives. So if we come to realize that, we will now start to look at national security from a different perspective. I know what 1.5 billion can do with respect to giving young people a future, a hope, you know, funding, you know, little enterprises, MSMEs, you know. But you're telling me that it is better to spend that money by vehicles, probably Niger, and I don't know how many people in the Nigerian end, the soldiers, are having private vehicles. And when you say, I hope it is not correct that it must spend vehicles, because at 1.5 billion, we are talking about 1.5 million per helots, and I hope it is not. Maybe they must have made a mistake where they would have thought of maybe instead of 10, maybe 100, which comes to 15 million for each of them, but whichever way it goes. And I wish that they had made the nation of innocent, you know, vehicles, so that we know that, you know, what foreigners do, you know, when they want to give it to Nigeria, they need to procure materials from their side and just send us the finished product. So if they are giving that 1.5 billion to innocent, collected their vehicles and send it to them, one would have said, well, the money is to revamp our local industry and also introduce the vehicle to the others who would like it and want to buy some more. That's a strategic thinking that I would have been able to give excuse for. But if you are going to, these days at Naira, find source Naira to get to dollars and buy foreign vehicles and give to foreigners, because it had for me to wrap my brain around it. It's 1.145 billion. Sorry, I said 1.4 billion. So that translates to 114.5 million Naira per vehicle. And they are 10. They are not heloxys. They are Land Cruiser, Land Cruiser V8. They are probably the latest ones. V8, Land Cruiser 10. I think I have an idea of if I don't Google it, you don't need to have an idea. Google the cost of a Land Cruiser even if it is a mod, it is bulletproof. Maybe that's what they are giving. Normal Land, anyway. Let me know. Why not do nothing? Innocent Can Innocent give the level of comfort of these V8 Land Cruisers, the latest one. With all the gadgets inside, you have screens, you have House of Representatives, Senators, House of Assembly, Governors, VIPs use Land Cruiser. These are the high-end SUVs. They don't use Innocent. No, no, no. You know what? I can tell you this technology comes for free. There is nothing that an individual cannot fit into a vehicle. Nothing. All you need is to give him the specification and he will manufacture to it. It's simple. Okay. Interesting. Using that amount of money, let's stick with the nation. The reason I'm sticking with the nation is they have a story that on Angola aspect of this Kadunda train, kidnap victims story. The last batch, I think last year batch 4 of the dose released. One of the the release persons has had some things to say. He gave an interview. You know, he's a medical doctor. He works with Osmond and Ford University teaching also. He's an associate prof there. He's been telling Nigerians that he treated the terrorists while he was in camp. He treated victims given how in account of what he went through in the camp and saying, don't wish this on his enemies. But it's something he said. I like the way the nation put it. Freed train passenger terrorists have moles across Nigeria. Terrorists have moles across Nigeria is what he says. I'll answer a few lines for the benefit of you and our listeners. It says one of the freed passengers who have been killed by terrorists in March has advised the federal government to be vigilant because their captors have moles planted across the country. An associate professor of medical chemistry of Osmond and Ford University teaching hospital, the terrorists are well organized to the extent of that trading goes on in their camp. They trade in their camp. The government needed to act fast to rescue the remaining captives and all that. So let's stop at that. He says they are so organized that they have strategic moles across the country. One of the things that I've talked about about the good Lord Jonathan was that he had this talk almost like a child. To go beyond what they call political expediency and just stop from his heart. You know? Remember when he said that in my cabinet they are moles. This is a president of the federal republic of Nigeria that has availed the high level of security report, Intel. He said they've infiltrated everywhere. So what this guy is saying is he's going back to justify what president Jonathan had said. If us at that time then Jonathan had known that. Are we telling that has become less when we know that the activities have gone higher? It means that president Buhari knows that people are there. They know about it. Who has been caught in we know who the funders are when it ends there. We know who they stay. It ends there. Once there are no consequences it emboldens the people. And remember what I said earlier it's become such a lucrative enterprise that Southerners are going to be too happy. Look we do before now even recently we saw what the documentary that NAFDA did about the guy that was arrested in one of the estates in Victoria Island. We have conscious people all over the country and if they can adulterate drugs even such drugs as things that you don't want to do as much as contemplate it's 8 o'clock. So if they can do that if it's just to give information and then collect money and these guys are generous I think we really need a government I pray that this next expectation of this president government is really not much there I pray that God president alive they forget about impeachment system they roll on one hand on the other hand I pray that we become men of conscience like you and I get into this system look for somebody that makes sense for you at all levels including the House of Assembly members you know what I would like to end with is that we do not realize that voting is a sacred covenant that's the reason why you use your thumbprint it's not just a game it's not just anything it's a sacred covenant that is even recognized by the constitution of the federal republic of Nigeria you owe this country that duty please please give me this just one second to say yesterday I really didn't sleep well over the night because of a discussion I had with a young Nigerian this person is so lost faith and he's like something got to give 2320 people and I asked her do you know the implication of that statement these warlords are testing and trained in what you are looking at and the day that Anaki breaks in Nigeria and God forbid they will be the chiefs and the controllers and we will be their boys we the educated ones we the enlightened ones we do not understand the language of the street we cannot fit in even the freshness of your skin tells them you don't belong to them and they will deal with you so hard so bad so let us wake up as Nigerians and make sure that whatever it takes 2023 comes to be and the right person it brought in and Nigeria starts to move in the other direction don't as much as complete anything short of three fair credible elections in Nigeria and a precedent emerging you cannot get everything they will start the journey of reversing and going back 2023 must happen and it must be peaceful and God must help us to pick somebody that makes sense this is your civic responsibility and duty as a citizen interesting very interesting talking about our civic responsibilities and duties as citizens hopefully the citizens will pick up that piece of advice from you let's move over to the punch newspaper of course some interesting hand lines contained in that newspaper one that attracts the attention is it doesn't give us room for much chair as little in the papers is there to be careful about maybe the athletics victories give us some chair but apart from that not much so let's take this one Nigeria's budget deficit according to the punch hits 30.58 trillion Naira in seven years and the paper says that this is according to data from the budget implementation reports for the third and fourth quarters of 2015 the four quarters of 2016 2017, 2018, 2019 and 2020 the first three quarters of 2021 and the first four bumps of 2022 in an aggregate and they say that this means that the expenses have exceeded revenue defining budget deficit as when expenses of the nation exceeded its revenue so we are explaining we spent 30 trillion Naira more than we've earned since 2015 with the information they have and they went on to say that an analysis of reports on the budget offices website revealed that Buharis administration had spent at least 54.98 trillion Naira on budget implementation since its inception but has only financed this spending with 24.39 trillion Naira leaving a deficit of 30.58 trillion Naira so we have to guess where the money came from or where the money is coming from over to you you know discussing the governorship of acquired bomb states and often I a lot of times I stay for as much as six months without as much as having headed and I told one of my friends that the last time I spent a night and I hope people was in 1985 I enjoy good health divine health but these days I find myself having what comes across to look like he did because of analyzing our governance situation when I see people selling bombs for 100 million and the level of spending that people have budgeted to run a lecture I ask myself are they really aware of the current situation of our economy are we aware of the level of of our resources have gone down and that is going to get worse because insecurity is number one that scares away investors and without investment including Nigerians I'm not going to tell your foreign investors Nigerians living abroad they are one of our greatest resource in bringing back investment not only of their own but because they live with the people that we go to find and work for them it's easier for them to network and bring these people back the dynamics of progress the dynamics of a buoyant economy all that come in the first layer is security which right now is missing which even if we have a new government it's going to take them a little while to bring back the confidence and everything and I'm asking what is really the interest of these people are they aware of the state of our economy are they aware that whether it's going to come it has to be a man that has to number one change the music number two go low profile number three strip all those things that are frivolous and absolutely unnecessary and go back to meeting the basics are they aware of this in a tribal for instance if God makes me the governor of the state the first thing is I shut down the government house in Lagos I make a way with the aircraft that we have we come down even government house has to be changed to governor's residence where you take care of your feeding and all these frivolities have to come to an end because we need to come to have a government that has an understanding of the essence of governance with the security and welfare of the people become the primary motivation and essence of governance so when we look at the way government is spending they just don't understand what governance is all about and because people who want to see these things think it should be like that so people are rushing in to want to be president to want to be governor to want to be senator can we have a system that comes and says look this national assembly let's have a unicameral there national assembly let's have a kind of part time less shadowy because we don't have money they say tough times need tough decisions to be taken we are in an emergency we can continue the way we are so it's good that they start to bring out all these indices and I think that these are the things that are going to form I want to thank INEC again for giving us minimum six months campaign and Nigerians are going to hold us to account and they will know what you want to do friendly what you bring to the table if you like go and collect all the money in the world 2023 is going to be a surprise a shock and God deliverance of this country is going to be we must all back on rescue mission I'm so grateful to aid that our team across the country all the states is rescue mission rescue mission and we are strategizing on a daily basis people and I end on this people keep saying we haven't heard from ADC we haven't seen them we have because we need to prepare as well to come out and we are going to come out when ADC comes out Nigeria is going to say thank God we have something we can believe in and if nothing else will be a benchmark for others to try to catch up and bring up we can't play these rubbish politics of speaking loud and saying this has to stop it's a it's a it's a dire one indeed and I understand the passion we should speak Arctic is equally I took care we have more stories and indeed we took that one from the punch newspaper let's look at the security situation in the country with the National Assembly having a closed door meeting what seems like a marathon session with the heads of the security apparatus in the country this is what the punch says rising terror threats National Assembly leaders fret rally security chiefs for protection so what are your thoughts on this do you think that it's about the National Assembly that is fretting as the people put it I was in the airport and a lot of times I like to of course have the privilege of wanting to be allowed to say sit in lounge but sometimes you go to the theater because you hear news and you get a lot of info and one of the guys was saying that the the bandits are getting to realize that if they actually go for some of these high-end people they will make a lot more money so they are starting to strategize to say this is offering 50 people and feeding them and getting 10, 10 million why don't we get one high-end guy and collect 50 million so they are re-strategizing and I think that from what he said this confidential information has leaked to the you know the big men that is why the National Assembly members who have very easy targets are starting to fret and feel bad now why would you want it to come to your doorstep before it bothers you why this marathon no marathon meeting now and then you know we'll be closing your session till September so that you can stay away from Abuja when they started coming you know we have this governance system where people think of themselves they go there to serve themselves and sometimes I don't blame them because when people want to serve you come you don't have the money that the others want to buy you and when they buy you you should allow them to serve their victory or their enterprise because they bought you out but we are starting to see Nigerians say look like in a book I mean I'm shocked at the number of people I don't have the money that others have I don't nothing near but yet I have one of the most vibrant camps because people are saying look we come and support you we don't stand with you your hands may be weak but like in the story of Moses in the wilderness we are coming to hold your hands up so that we want to have somebody that we can believe in somebody that we can trust so once we base this consciousness and tell Nigerians don't be bought again when they buy you they will have to enjoy their merchandise so instead look for the man that you love you believe in support that person and then put that person in office we want people who are put in office and not those who buy the office 2023 I would say it again is going to be a pleasant surprise for Nigeria. Alright we look forward to see what plays out and that surprise we have the daily trust up next and I put out a headline there Northerners in fear as IPOB kills 8 Nigerians in emo cuts away head of course you know sometimes supporters of IPOB will say it's not IPOB that anything that happens in the southeast that is violent they will say it's IPOB but if this is the case as the paper puts it and do you fear that it may lead to some sort of reprisal attacks in another part of the country one of the things that I find pleasantly ok is that the paper was careful to say there were Nigerians it means they were not out to cause havoc because some others would have said Northerners or those Poulanese and that will infuriate people the Northern Nigerians who are Poulanese are starting to get really irritated by these foreigners are coming because they are becoming the first line victims you know their homes are being ravaged they are being brought out of their homes and from their villages so they are not happy with what is going on the Northern Nigerians are not happy with these foreigners that invaded our territory so when you put it the way that they are Nigerians there is a calm but I would have been very unhappy if it was that they just killed Poulanese then the question of whether it I don't know how they know that this is I-POP or ESN or even they themselves fighting among themselves and killing themselves because even they are starting to fight among themselves when they get into certain territories where they are like I am supposed to control this why are you coming here why are you from they are starting to segment themselves you are not from our team you are not from our country among themselves there has been evidence and they are not going to kill the people at young weight and tell you that we killed them so let's be careful to identify who killed which people because among the bandits the terrorists they have their camps and they have their enemies within their ranks I think we can also look at because you talked about the fact that they were said to be Nigerians and that may mean that these are not northern Nigerians so nothing spoil as they say but it seems that like the the attackers who are described by this paper as I-POP members went out to just kill northerners they didn't want to know where they were from you know in the building that they were in in Oweri mainly houses house migrants from northern Nigeria and Niger Republic so I don't know if they asked where are you from it seems like from what the paper is saying they just went to kill or to attack people the paper says the northerners they interviewed or spoke to said the building was attacked because I-POP took all of them living in the area to be migrants from the north not knowing the victims were foreigners well the issue is I don't know the details and I don't want to be speculative over something that is very sensitive I was just talking conceptually that I didn't find them as Nigerians it's less provocative than just saying fuller needs because basically the fuller needs the Nigerian fuller needs are becoming a dangerous species by this rampaging terrorists from outside the country alright alright I'm sure that we may see some stories I believe we may see some stories later in the day of denials from the group or maybe a clearer picture about what I was I-POP or not but like you said these are times for the nation as far as security the security situation is concerned Ezekla and Yaituk thank you very much for your time thank you very much and of course I will have you same time next week time to take a look at what happened today in history it is the fourth day in the month of 2018 and we'll look at what happened today several years ago we'll be right back on the other side to talk security on the breakfast please stay with us