What's going on everybody? Got Kyle and Sean here with Layton Sports Cards. We've been 2023, Top Scrum Update Series, Hobby, and Jumbo 8-Box Mixer. Got 4 Jumbo, 4 Hobby, Random Team Styles, Number 9. Did a randomize for the break guys, had John in with the Mets, down to Mike K with the Brewers. Good luck everybody. Again, you can always find those results on our website, LaytonSportsCards.com. Got a results tab at the very bottom. Good luck, good luck. We'll start with the hobbies. Again guys, the baseball is all full up for tonight. If you guys want some more update, would be later on this weekend. Got some fanatics going tomorrow. Plenty of stuff going on, but football breaks are all we got left for tonight. Oh really Jess? Really? Yeah, I've got Mark Andrews and Lamar on the same team. I've had that stack going this year. Honestly, hasn't worked out that great. Honestly, really hasn't. Lamar's been good, but getting like 15 fantasy points. I don't get it. Like the team wins and he only gets like 15 fantasy points. And then Mark's kind of on and off all year. He can go off anytime, but hasn't really been. I have T Higgins, so I'm not playing him obviously. He's out. Come on, let's see a redemption in here. Let's see a redemption in here. Pack's open here first. We'll start going through. I feel like Jamar Chase might have a pretty good night tonight. It seems like it might be obvious with T out, but it might be especially good tonight. We're bad. Did you do your pick-ups, Sean? Yeah. Did you pick them? Yeah, I'm ready. I did too. I'm just falling down there. Falling down the order, man. I'm bad, man. I'm bad. I'm bad. There's a couple guys who've missed a couple weeks, so I don't think I'm going to fall behind them, but for the people who are playing actively, I'm not doing very good. All right, guys. Good luck on box one here. First rookie refractor is Andrew Nardi. Marlins. Got a Ron Ocunia action stars. Jordan Walker on the debut. It's a Titans J rod. First auto is going to be rookie auto of Lennon Sosa for the White Sox based rookie auto. Lennon Sosa. There's a Nolan Gorman refractor. Prism is going to be a Casey Legomina and Oscar Coloss on the insert. Fracture of Alexis Diaz. All-star game refractor. Say Leo de Tavares. And first color is green. Luis Castillo from the All-star game. It's a 99 going to the Mariners. First color, Luis Castillo. Got action stars of Gunner and Vinny P. Prism is JP Sears. Future stars, Adley Ruchman. Joey Wendell refractor. There's a Max Scherzer insert refractor. Throwback. And JD Martinez refractor for the Dodgers. All-star JD. So Xavier Edwards on the Prism rookie. Yeah, man, Dylan's been letting me in the kitchen, bro. I've been cooking all with Dylan. Really? I'll meet his Diaz. There's a Jordan Walker refractor, Cardinals. First one I gave him was the magic a couple days ago when they blew it real bad. There's a refractor, Zach Gallin. Took the magic last night too though. It worked out Francisco Alvarez rookie. They were trying Nazi though, man. I don't know what is going on with the magic and blowing leads, but it has been frustrating. There's a action star, Shohei. Got a lava lamp. This one's going to be Tommy Pham to 299. Purple and Fuchsia. Boba Shet action stars, James McCann. Titans Fernando. We should go to a game on a Saturday night. Fractor rookie, Joey Ortiz. I'm down. I can't go overseas this Saturday, but. There's a Owen Miller on the, on the Prism and a Adley. Adley rookie insert. George Kirby on the All-Star. I go to UCF game. I feel like they might have a one or two left. Fractor Dylan Moore, Matthew Batten. Alrighty guys, that'll do it for box one. Had the rookie auto for the White Sox. What's up? Yeah, yeah, no, me too. I agree. I agree. I mean, Sabra thinking about going the other day when Mavs were in town, but then they said Luca wasn't going to play. So the Cheapskot tickets got really cheap and we were like, ah, Luca's not playing. I don't really want to go. And then Luca ended up playing. Yeah, it was like last minute decision. He had gone from like not going to play to playing and tickets went from like 150 when he was playing down to like 50 and then back up to like 100. So what the heck, man? The Luca effect. Makes sense though. I mean, down to watch Luca. I've been to some solo bears games, Jess. Those are always fun. They used to have the, they used to have the Thursday night college nights. Gala beers at the solo bear games. We used to hit those up pretty often. They didn't really ask if you were in college either. We're doing that for a few years after college. They certainly didn't ask. He was a kind of an honor system thing, I guess. I don't know. College night was fun though. Dollar beers on Thursdays, I think it was. Hacks are like slippery, man. I don't know what, like, smoother than normal. Alrighty, again, guys, we'll get these all opened up. Start going through them. Good luck to everybody. Let's see some fire. And again, we just got football and football and hockey spots tonight. Leaf Ultimate Hockey Random Hit Style. Those are really fun, man. Definitely recommend it, guys. And if you haven't seen Leaf Hockey, I opened a few yesterday on Layton Channel 2. You guys want to head to that channel, you can see some boxes get open, kind of see what's coming out of them. Seen a lot of multi-way, like, game use patches, a lot of dual autos, triple autos, quad autos, even an eight-way autos. So some really cool stuff coming out of Leaf Hockey. You guys are interested in some hockey. We'll get that going last tonight. Then I got certified PYTs, Origins PYTs, 1-3 box mixer, and an NT PYT. I like Caminero better just because I've seen him more in Milan. I haven't really seen much of Xavier Isaac. He's got some power though, so I'm excited for both of them, but I'm excited for Cami to be the starting shortstop for sure. Aaron Judge on the action stars. Titan's rookie is Vulpe. Ryu, there's a gray rod on the rookie. First auto is going to be a Refractor Auto 499 Matt Swarmer. Jay said that's how Sean stretches every morning. Matt Swarmer there to 499. Refractor Auto. Got a Yuri Perez Refractor rookie. Some good refractors to start this one. Prism is Brewer Hicklin. Corbin Carroll on the future stars, D-Bex. Randy Rosarino, All-Star Game Refractor. Donovan Solano. And Garrett Acton going to be a rookie for the Aces on the negative. Action stars Goldy, Joey Ortiz. You were there for Cami's debut. That's awesome. That's awesome. I'm glad they got them a chance to hit in the playoffs, even though we were kind of already out of it. Get some good experience at least in this first year. There's FireEisen for the Dodgers. Fractor Seth Lugo. Sandy Alcantara. Every pack I open is flipped a different way. There's a Lubaub in the All-Star Game. Miguel Vargas, Refractor Rookie. Yeah, you guys go to a lot of games. You guys have season tickets, right, Jess? That's awesome. I wish I was a little closer. I'd go to more raised games, but haven't been to one in a few years now. Freddie Freeman Action Stars. Volpe. There's a Pita Lanza Titans. I don't know what I was looking at there. There's a Rookie Bobby Miller on the Refractor. It's a prism of Pablo Lopez. Gunner Henderson on the Rookie for the Oats. Refractor Marcus Simeon. Ref Snider Refractor. And Blue is going to be Dillon Tate number to 150 for the Orioles. Only true blue. Mike Trout Action Stars. And Queyas. Oh, I got you. I got you. No season tickets, but playing going out there. That's a good idea going out there on the weekends for sure. I should probably do that more. There's a Jake Loo on the Prism Rookie. Haven't been to Tampa in general in a while. Last time I went was the, it was like the St. Pete Grand Prix. Probably Grossman Refractor. And I wasn't going for that, but I certainly saw enough of it. There's a Brett Beatty Rookie. They closed off like everything in St. Pete. I didn't even realize it was happening. And I was like, come on, man. My buddy invited me down. I was like, this stinks, man. Can't even get across the city. Mookie Betts on the Refractor. It was kind of cool though. We went, he's got a powered kayak and we got in and we went to where the race is. And you could see from like the water, you could see the race and Oscar Gonzalez, Rookie Refractor and Dustin May. Yeah, it's pretty sweet. His kayak's nice too, man. That's a, it's pretty cool. It's got a pretty decent engine on. Pretty guy, I probably shouldn't honestly. I think it was a little faster than it should. All right, box three, TCU hobby.  Appreciate you guys filling us up. Got another one right after number 10. Again, we are filled up on baseball spots for today. If you guys want to grab some group breaks, it would be Leaf Hockey or Certified Football. We've got Origins Football PYTs, NTPYTs with some cheap, cheap teams. And one three box mixer, three boxes of Origins, three boxes of Certified and two boxes of Gold Standard. Jonathan with another personal, Michael T with one of the mixer spots. Michael T with two personals and Matt M with some certified. Again guys, we are full on personals for tonight. Not a lot of time in the schedule form tonight. And I already have about eight boxes probably take us over that time. So anything ordered after this guys will go tomorrow. Tomorrow night. Three games for $75. That's not bad. That's not bad. Oh, I know the Magic have some pretty similar deal plans too and stuff like that. You can get like a block of games like four games for a certain price as opposed to buying season tickets or whatever. You can do like the weekend games. You can buy four like Saturday games for a set price. I do like that. We've done that a few times. Get some cheaper tickets. Oh, you get to pick the games. Nice. Very nice. It's similar to what they do with the Magic. I don't think you get to pick every game. But if you like, I think they have certain blocks where you can pick like between a certain a few, few different ones.  My roommate's cousin actually has season tickets to the lightning game. I need to take him up on one of those games one day. It's just the drive stinks over there. Yeah, it really is. Terrible. Yeah. So close to it so far. Yeah, from where I'm at, you can get my four quick and it's still going to take you forever. You always find traffic. There's no way you get there in one shot. It's like right when you're getting into there and all just. Right past the hard rock, honestly. Yes. Right when you get past the hard rock. All righty box number three. Let's see some fire. Action stars is Peter Lonzo. Polar bear. No, I never have. There's a rookie. It's going to be Randy Vasquez on the base rookie auto. Base rookie auto for the Yankees. Randy Vasquez refractor Luis Medina. I keep pulling the autos at the same time. So Matt McLean rookie. The first handful always has the auto Matt McLean rookie. Prism Casey Schmidt and Masatake Yoshida insert. Gunner Henderson future stars. Oh, refractor Nato for the all star game insert. Edward Julian rookie debut refractor. Oh, we got a crush on the short print is Shohei Otani. Boom. First one of these I've hit.  There we go. LA the angels. Very nice one there. We'll make that angels on the crush. That is a sick looking design, man. I like that one. First one I've seen of that. I saw Sam pull a couple yesterday, but first one I pulled. I like that. Yeah, exactly. Jess, I haven't been the one yet either. I've thought about a few. I've thought about a few already. Rookie Tanner baby on the debut. For me, it pretty much has to be like a Saturday, Sunday night or like a Monday or Friday with how my schedule works. Refractor Christian Vasquez. There's a Volpe insert. It does look a little bit like a color blast. It is. I like those. It is pretty sick. There's a Salvi Perez on the all star refractor. J.P. France. Rookie for the A or the Astros. Astros is a action stars. That one is Bobby Huit. Bobby Huit. Refractor Jose Cuellos on the Rookie Royals. Thank you. Zachary buying a team in the Origins Mixer and UNC and Bowman Chrome. Hopefully I can get you some Drake Mays on that one. Prison on Vinny Pascatino. Josh Young insert. There's a nice one. Adley Rochman on the Rookie All Star Gamer Refractor. Adley there. Matt Mervis Refractor Rookie for the Cubs. And Garrett Acton on the Negative Rookie. Action stars Adley. Titans J-Walk. And Shay Langlears. FSU Florida next weekend. FSU Florida next weekend. We should. I hope so man. We haven't necessarily blown anybody out this year yet. We've been uh... That's an interesting last few games. There's a Prism Rookie Greyrod. I hope we do though. We kind of need to. Kind of need to to keep uh... Keep that number four. There's a Michael Bush Rookie debut. Refractor and Garrett Cole Refractor. Nikki Cassianos All Star Game. And J.J. Bladay Rookie for the 8s. All right all right. That'll do it for box three. One more hobby and then we've got four Jumbos. Yeah luckily uh... Two of the two of the teams in front of us play each other so hopefully that helps us stay in that top four but I've been worried. I've been worried. Bryson keeps telling me we're not gonna make it too. He's convinced. And Lang says that Texas is gonna get in. We need uh... We need to win out and I don't think that's possible. I don't think Texas could if we went out. They have uh... Predators are back. Is that what you're saying Jess? You ever seen a Predators game? No. The arena football? Yeah. The Predators are a good time man. I'm excited that they're back. Have they been back? I don't even know. Think they came back a little bit ago and then... I don't remember. I think they've been like back and not back like three or four times recently. Stash and pop of springs. That's right Shane. That's right. Quality serpents my man. How we doing? How we doing sir? Skydiver, DMV. Yeah I just see that. I didn't see that. You big skydiver Shane? You big skydiver? I did see your name yeah. I've been one time. I've been one time. I'll be down to go again for sure. Nice little jump out of a plane. Nothing wrong with that? No that's not happening. No?  What do you mean? I'm not jumping out of the plane. It's a good time man. Nope. It's a good time. Good time's chilling on the front porch. Drink a beer man. Drink those o' duels in Arkansas man. No there'll be no o' duels. Let's go. A schedule announced today for Orlando Predators. I'm about that. I'm about that. That's what I'm talking about. Right good luck here guys. Got a Michael Harris on the Action Stars rookie? Used to be, gotcha gotcha. So they nevertheless gotcha Joe. They uh, oh the National Predators. No we're talking about the uh, we're talking about the um, Orlando Predators arena football team actually. Michael Harris Action Stars they are, they are back I believe. Titans Vladdy. There's a Purple Blake Perkins number to 250 rookie for the brew crew. No reason to jump out of a perfect good airplane. You think so Paul? I'm with it dude. I'll never do that. It's a Refractor Volpe on the rookie debut. I actually did it on a Groupon. That kind of worried me a little bit. I don't know about the discount on the plane jumping out, but worked out. Prison rookie Miguel Amaya got a gray rod on the insert for the Orioles. Hey man Groupons. Can use them for anything. There's a Justin Steele rookie All-Star. Kevin Kiermeyer Refractor. Former Ray and 2399 Sean Bouchard. That's going to be the Fuchsia rookie. Jazz Chisholm and Corbin Carroll. Debut. It's a prism of Andrew Ben-Attendi. There's no perfectly good airplanes in skydiving. That might be fair. The uh, the plane I was in looked like the Groupon was needed for uh, some repairs. Future Stars Alvarez. There's Dustin May Refractor. It was a little plane man. A little thing. One Soto on the Refractor. Like four people is like all that fit pretty much. The me and my buddy and then the two instructors. Sean Murphy All-Star Game Refractor. Been doing none of that. Been Joyce rookie Refractor. And second half year of hockey. Not on my radar at all. Yeah I don't, I don't blame you honestly. It was uh, it was pretty sketchy. It was pretty sketchy the first time. Jay Rod Future Stars Jay Rod Action Stars. Got Blue um, Blue Lava Lamp. That one's William Contreras to 125. Brew Crew. Action Stars Mookie. Titans Rookie of Gunner. Vaughn Grissom on the Rookie. For the Rates. Yeah. There's a Prism of Gregory Soto. Aaron Judge Insert. Out of a fortnight bus. Yeah I'm down. Yeah, Luis Castillo Refractor. He's at it every day multiple times. Yeah Sean Scott, straight to greasy Grove. Yep. There's a Vince Velasquez Refractor. Tomato Temple. Yeah the uh, that is true. He does do a little bit of skydiving. Brenton Doyle Prism Rookie. Refractor is Nick Martinez. There's a Corbin Carroll Insert for the D-Backs. Clayton Kershaw on the All-Star Game. In a simulator? Ooh. See that's what he's doing. Is that the one like on iDrive? I know they have those little uh, the big uh, fans. The big fan simulator things. There's a Garrett Acton Rookie. For the Ace. Those things always did look kind of sketchy too.  That's very fair Nick. If you don't like the planes in general, probably don't want to be jumping out of one. That's, that is very fair. All right guys, four hobby down. Now we're going to jumbo. Four of each. Good luck, good luck everybody. Where's Sam at? Got a uh, I don't know. We're rooting for the Bengals first. Like his hair never growling. Yeah. Keeps it that way. There's a Austin Hayes All-Star Game Refractor. Action stars Gunner and Casey Legumina. For the Reds. I was on a cruise ship really. That skydive simulator on a cruise ship. That's kind of wild. Sounds pretty cool. Sean still says no. Still says no. For some reason Ricky Brain and Fatt. Got a um, Sandy Alcantara and Logan L. Hoppy. I'll watch. Yeah. I've done the uh, little surfing simulator on a on a cruise. That was kind of cool. Never seen the, never seen the skydive though. Sticky on these. There's a blue auto. It's going to be rookie Cal Stevenson for the Phillies to 150. Cal Stevenson. Akunya on the insert. Shohei Action stars and Owen Miller. I've heard you've been carrying Sean, uh, Shane in uh, Fortnite. Yeah. That's what I've been hearing. Oh yeah. Steven uh, Steven Shane carrying Sean. Oh yeah. I like it. Let's go boys. Got to get the carry going. There's a Joey Wendow blue and green. How you doing dude? Two one twenty five. Seth Lugo Prism. That's for babies. Rafi Devers and Juan Yepes. What, skydiving? Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, that's what I was talking about on iDrive. He had a little uh, the fan simulator thing. Seems pretty cool. Fractors Josh Young on the All-Star Refractor. Action stars Bishit and Brewer Hicklin. Sounds fun, sounds fun at all. Sean's out on all of it. I'm out of all of it. He's out on all of it. Future stars Corbin Carroll. Got a Prism. Oh Hoppy rookie on the debut. Brett Beatty and Ezekiel Tovar debut. Rockies. Righty guys, keep going. Really Nick? Really? I remember Joey from the Rays man. Joey No Gloves. Old Joey No Gloves on the Rays. That's cool. He went to high school with them. He's a solid hitter too man. There's a Aqua Wave to 125. Gonna be Ezekiel Tovar for the Royals. Or the Rockies. Rockies. Nice one there. Louisa Ria's All-Star Game Silver. Action stars and a Sam Hilliard Refractor. Shane dies in Fortnite. That's it. That's it. I was actually talking a little bit about it yesterday. He was a... He was talking. You guys got some fans? There's a Diaz on the Prism. Oscar Coloss, Rookie Insert, and Cole Reagan's Refractor. For the Ranges. I remember seeing that. I remember seeing that. Oh my god. He letting Sean get it all. And he's a Titans judge. Refractor is Wander. Bryce Harper Action Stars. And a Rookie of Jokes. Corey Jokes. What up Dan? Astrox. Dan. Dan the Wise Man. How we doing? Dan Dan. Dan Dan, the Wise Man. How we doing? How's everything going Dan? There's a Lava Lamp. Gonna be Sean Bouchard. We're the Rockies there to 299.  83. 83 games. Jeez. Jeez. Jordan Walker on the Rookie. It's like almost 30 again. Tommy Pham Refractor. That's nasty. That is putting in work. That is certainly putting in work. Thank you Steven for grabbing a spot in Certified. And Lauren for grabbing one in Origins. Steven for grabbing a couple. And Lauren for grabbing one in the Three Box Mixer. Appreciate y'all.  Solo wiping squads. That's awesome. I played that the other day and didn't know why. I was gonna attack by four people.  I had no fill on. I didn't even know. You're just trying to get in the action man. I like it. Just playing some solo. 499. Montessaro. There's Spencer Strider. Action Stars Acunia. And a Tyler Alexander. He was like 15. That sounds about right. That sounds about the age where you get that kind of thing going on video games. If you're about that life. There's a lot of Fortnite teenagers who can kick my butt for sure. Wanda Franco on the Future Stars. Got Joey Ortiz Rookie Prism. Add the Insert. And a Brandon Fott Refractor. Alrighty guys. There goes the first Jumbo. Second Jumbo. What's up Preacher? Preach. How we doing today? Let's see what's cracking. Crack. Thank you Nate taking the Jags in Origins later. Nate. Titans Alonzo. Refractor Gallon. Action Stars Trout. And Casey Schmidt. Refractor Rookie. Have you got some cards in from Gaming Dan? What kind of stuff you've been getting in? It says Sorcery. But I'm not sure if that's something. Dang Debutovar. Got Corbin Carroll Insert. And Rookie Gabe Moreno Debut. For the Blue Jades. Thank you Matthew. Thank you Troy taking one in NT. Taking the Vikings and two in a hockey. Then Matthew taking some certified spots and update. Coming up tomorrow. Appreciate you guys grabbing spots. There's a negative debut of Logan Ohapi. Purple Otto is Levi Stout Rookie to 250. Oh it's a new TCG. Gotcha Gotcha. George Kirby. Sorcery. Michael Harris. On the Stars. And Pascatino. Gotcha. I didn't, I didn't heard of that one yet. There's a yellow Mini Diamond to 75.  It says Sean Murphy is going to be our yellow to 75 on the Mini Diamond. There you go Braves. Prison Bobby Miller. Judge and Nikki Lopez Refractor. I'll try to see some Joshua. See some twins here before we end and then get you a better one. Next one. Jake Bird. Refractor is Luba. Bob. Action Stars Chisholm and Grayrod Refractor debut. Future Stars J-Rod. Prism of Jared Kelnick. Volpe Insert. And a rookie Jordan Walker debut. I think they're off tonight. Gotcha Gotcha. I did see Andres live during the day yesterday so that makes sense. Makes sense. Purple is going to be Emmanuel Valdez. That one's for the Red Sox on the Otto 299. Purple Speckle. There you go Red Sox. Mike Trout all-star game. Action Stars Judge. And a Pablo Lopez for the twins. Yeah what's the release tomorrow? What's the release tomorrow Dan? Gaming. Haven't been keeping up. Jordan Walker debut. Got a prism of Yuri Perez. Gunner Henderson insert and Kelnick. 12 to go on the first certify. That's awesome guys. Appreciate that. 12 to go on the first certify. We got just a few to go on the mixer. There's certified origins and gold standard in that. Got a single digits on NT. And then we have Leaf Hockey last break of the night. There's a Volpe insert Titans. JD Martinez all-star game. Action Stars Goldie and Miguel Amaya. Oh is it a meta-zoo tomorrow? Oh new match of the gathering. Final Fantasy really. I know Josh was a Final Fantasy fan. I know him and Brad used to play that for sure. Remember the Unheim of Conversations. To 250. Got a Ben Ntendi for the White Sox. Juan Yepez prism. And Refractor Hunter Brown. New match of the gathering. New Fantasy. Oh there's a new Lorcaana too. Geez. That is a big release day for them man. Geez. Sean got to get over to late gaming in a while man. That Lorcaana sells man. Yeah it does. That Lorcaana sells. There's a Otto Israel Panada rookie out of their Nationals. Nationals. There's Alexis Diaz. Freddie Freeman and Gregory Soto. I might have to make my way over there tomorrow. Grab up some of the new stuff. If there's a new Lorcaana I'm in. Matt McLean on the rookie. Francisco Alvarez Future Stars. Robbie Grossman. Grayrod and Wande Peralta Refractor. Alrighty guys. Two more jumbo. Two more jumbo. This is eight box mixer. Number nine. We'll get number 10 going right after. Right after. Good luck everybody. Keep Bradbine into Boming Chrome Baseball. Later on this week I think tomorrow. What's up Alvin? Chippy. How's Malta? Yeah I heard somebody by the one award. Did we win any awards? Yeah we win. What's going on my man? What did we win? Fractur Dan B. Swanson. I saw your Instagram. Ashton Stars Beatty and Caballero Refractor. How's Chippy doing? Are we chilling out there in Malta? Are we back? I was supposed to go with him. Really? Yeah I missed my flight. Sean always missing those flights man. He's running across the tarmac after the plane. Yeah and they didn't win. Prison rookie Brett Wisely. Got a Vulpi insert and Mervis debut. That's awesome man. Congratulations. Fun week so far so you're still out there. That sounds like a good time. That's awesome my man. Glad to hear you guys are having a good time. That's what it's all about. Got a 250 miles master bony rookie for the cups. Aaron Judge All-Star. Action Stars Soto and Refractor as Kyle Lewis. First like three in every pack. There's a Zach Efflin to 3.99.  Zach Efflin to 3.99. Prism Hunjin Ryu. Masataka rookie and Blake Sable rookie. What are the fence? Six and three. Six and three. Probably seven and three. Yeah with the quickness. Rookie Gunner. There's a Garrett Cole. Action Stars Corbin and rookie Levi Stout. Levi Stout. Black Friday. Black Friday. Fins and Jets. Oh yeah always. Prism Cody Bellinger. Garrett Cole and Kobe Allert. I don't know Dan I think you should just go for it. I think you should just go for it. There's a Brent Hedrick. That one's going to be a rookie negative. He's got a mini diamond coming. After the gold of Dustin May. Nice one there. A little flamethrower for the Dodgers the 50. That dude can throw heat man. And right behind it, Lenin Sosa on the rookie Black and White Mini Diamond. That one is going to the White Sox. Another auto for the White Sox. Action Stars of Riley Greene and Luisa Riaz on the back. Prism rookie Johnny Brito. There's Grayrod and JP Franser Fractor rookie. What uh which one were you thinking about ripping Dan? I know you said there are a couple releases tomorrow. You're looking at the new Magic. Peter Lanza. There's a Dolos Garcia All-Star. Action Stars Tatis and Refractor Jake Bird. Jake Bird. Yellow Mini Diamond. It's going to be rookie Casey Legumina. A rookie picture for the Reds. Sorcery. Yeah, I gotcha. I gotcha. I forgot. Prism Rosario and Corbin Carroll. Julian Refractor debut. I'm going to have to check that out. The Sorcery. I don't think I've seen that yet. I'm going to have to check it out. I'm always down to check out a new TCG. Nice. We got a rookie auto of Corbin Carroll. There we go. D-Backs on the rookie update auto. Nice one there. D-Backs waiting on it. There is a Corbin. There we go. Very nice. The NL Rookie of the Year. Ozzy Albees. Vladdy and Elvis Andrus. That doesn't sound like a bad idea if it's new. That sounds like a pretty good idea, Jess. It's a newer product. Definitely hold on some seal. Future Stars is Torkelson. Got a Bryce Turing Prism. Aaron Judge and JJ Bladet. And one more box. One more box. Jumbo number four. Eight box mixer number nine on this one. Get number 10 going. And just a moment. Yeah, that's sick, man. He is so good. Corbin is a beast. Side to keep seeing him play. There's a rookie Jordan Walker on the Titans insert. Refractor Sonny Gray. Nato and Ajeter Downs refractor rookie. Prism is Jesse Winker. Alonzo for the Mets refractor and Cody B. He's been killing it. The rookie Keaton Mitchell. Gus Bust tonight though. Otto is going to be Matt Swarmer. Another Otto for the Cubs. On the rookie base Otto Matt Swarmer. Refractor Heim. Vulpe on the Action Stars. And Bobby Miller refractor. Appreciate you Don grabbing one in the mixer. Thank you, Corey. Grabbing Chargers in both of our certified tonight. And Brad Buying the Royals and Bowman Carone. Thank you guys. Some spots moving. Not a lot to go on that three box mixer. That one will probably be the next one filled up. You guys are looking to grab some spots. It's three certified, three origins, and then two gold standard in that one. Random teams. Blue to 150 is Luis Arias. Got a Prism Gorman. Riley Green and refractor rookie. Hobie Harris. Negative rookie is Bobby Miller. Titans Votto. Got a Will Smith all-star game. Bregman and Jared Schuster refractor rookie. And come on, let's end with the banger. To Adley on the future stars. Prism rookie Cole Regans. Scherzer and Winker. Alrighty guys. Just football and one hockey break left for tonight. Appreciate you guys filling up. Baseball will keep on ripping through. Otto is rookie Otto Casey Schmidt. That one's going to the Giants. Casey Schmidt on the base rookie Otto. Refractor Freddie Freeman. Action stars Jordan Walker and a Brett Phillips go race. From a raised legend, Brett Phillips. Bradley current raised legend. Jordan Walker. We've got a prism of Oswald Paraza. Refractor Josh Young and refractor rookie Mason Englert. Dan the Kool-Aid man. That's your discord name. I like that. I like it. Dan Dan the Kool-Aid man. Austin Riley on the insert. Action stars Devers and Blake Perkins refractor rookie. So 399 Dustin May. Dodges. Prism Hobie Harris. Mike Trout and Eddie Rosario. Right cones. I would be okay with that too. That was Brett Phillips as our team cheerleader. He was good for morale man. That guy was a ball of energy. There's a blue Raywave Otto. 150 is Oster Gonzalez. Nice one there. Guardians. And did the Rays playoff hopes last year. Could I send go refractor? Casas and a rookie Mason Miller. Ready guys. Last pack in this one. We'll get number 10 going right after. Same thing here. Four boxes of each. Hobbie and Jumbo. Kebrian Hayes. Mr. Matt McLean. Clean rookie. Kebrian Hayes. Got a prism Joey Wendell. Al Tuve and refractor is Brett Wisely on the back for the Giants. Alrighty there guys. That'll do it for the top chrome update. Hobbie and Jumbo 8 box mixer. Do a quick auto recap and then we'll get going on number 10. Pink's going to be at the amway this weekend. Let's go Sean. Sean going to the pink concert at the amway. Rookie Casey Schmidt. Schwarmer. Panada. It's a 499 Montessaro. Vasquez. Lennon Sosa base. The 499 Schwarmer. Had Lennon Sosa on the white mini diamond or black and white. To 299 Emmanuel Valdez. 250 Stout. Master Boney. Perkins. To 199 Tovar. To 150 Stevenson and Gonzalez. To Mags we had a rookie Otto Corbin Carroll and we had crushed on the short print Shohei Otani. For the Angels. Very sick looking short print there. Alrighty there my friends. That'll do it for update number nine. Give me just one moment. We'll get number 10 going.


Good morning Shoshanim. A few updates. There's been a lot of confusion regarding my future moves. What it is that I'm going to do, what it is that I'm going to refrain from doing in the future, where am I going to be, why am I going to be, etc. Okay, here it goes. In the beginning of next month, I'm moving to Budapest. Budapest is the capital of Hungary still. And I'm going to move the center of my life and the center of my operations to that thriving and very beautiful city at the heart of Europe. I'm going to focus mainly on financial consulting and political consulting. Actually, I already have a client or two. So it's going well and I've been doing this for many decades before I entered the field of psychology. Now, I'm exiting the field of psychology. I said basically I think everything I have to say, multiply, so I'm beginning to repeat myself. I am, however, going to continue to do the following. I'm going to continue to upload content to all my social media platforms. And I'm going to continue to upload content regularly to my YouTube channel. So I'm not gone, Shoshanim. I'm here. And I will be uploading here regularly. I will also occasionally provide counseling, mental health counseling via phone, email, WhatsApp, Skype, Viber, FaceTime and other digital and electronic means. So these two, uploading content and mental health counseling via electronic means, these two remain intact. But my main focus and my main activity will revert to my roots, my origins, which is essentially finance, economics, political consulting and political analysis. I will also, I also got myself involved three months ago, four months ago, actually, I got myself involved in a new project of gender and sexuality studies. So I will continue to make contributions there. These are the plans. And this is how things are going to unfold. I will not be doing anything else in the field of psychology. So no more the kinds of things that I used to do either to, but I will keep a fond eye on on the field as hopefully it evolves. The online environment in my view is becoming more and more toxic and more and more problematic. I'm 62 years old. I'm in very poor health. I don't have much longer to live.  I'm afraid the online environment provides anything but peace. So you need to be young and vigorous to fight your way back. And I'm no longer up to the task and up to the challenge. It's been fun being here for you. And I hope you have benefited from some of the things I had to say and enjoy the others, the rest. I will, as I said, continue to post here and upload here. So I'm not gone from this space. And I am grateful to anyone and everyone who had been a part of this journey of 26 years. But I think it's time to turn a leaf and to find new challenges in new environments. Thank you. Thank you all for listening. Following the service announcement, there's another video which I will upload today. It's fascinating. It's about psychodrama. So stay tuned for the next episode. This is your glue professor of psychology and the author of Malignant Self-Love, Narcissism Revisited. Wishing you all a smile filled time wherever you may be.


Hefyd, i'n ddiolch i'n gweithio, ond fan hynny'n meddwl yw'n mynd i'w ffordd. Rydw i'n hoffi'n meddwl i'r ddweudio'r ddebconfau, mae'n bod yn gallu'n meddwl o'r llwyllfa gyda'r dros yma ar y smredd iawn. A ffarnio, mae'n meddwl ffarnio'n meddwl i'r llwyllfa. Fe wnaeth i'n gweithio'n meddwl i'r bodai sy'n meddwl i'r bodai hwn. Mae'n meddwl i'r bodai hwnnw i'n meddwl i'r ddaf. The first bit of work that we wanted to do after we'd released is have a retrospective. This was really so we could get the idea of what worked and what didn't. We're certainly not perfect and there's lots of changes that need to be made every release. It is a bit of a iterative process and we wanted to gather the views of what people thought went well. Felly, we went on a sprint over to Belgium, and I do want to say thanks to the sponsors, so we also had Debian there, who paid for the travel and accommodation, and then we had Inuits who paid for the venue itself. Obviously, we gathered quite a number of different points, so we got, after some prodding, quite a few emails in. I do have to say there were quite a few good and bad points in there, and they were remarkably, actually, once we totted them all up, they were about the same, so people thought, people did generally give us things that went well, and things that didn't go well. Firstly, on the sort of good points we had, I think we had a, these were the sort of prime areas that people picked up. Firstly, we had a very high quality release. We managed to produce a release that we really can be proud of, we had the quality that Debian is famous for. An example of this is one user responded, said that their Wi-Fi card worked with Debian, and it didn't work with any other distribution they had tried. And I know that's quite odd given our position on firmware, but it can show that we actually do produce something that is stable, and that has a high level of quality. Another one was the BTS usage, so the tag handling. Developers seem to like the use of the BTS for triaging requests to the release team, and to get an overview of potential removals or states of packages. Third, unblock handling. Generally, although there are, of course, exceptions, people were happy with the amount of time and the flexibility that the release team gave into handling unblock requests. Communications were improved, although there is obviously more to be done in this area. And the length of time between releases was picked up by a number of developers. It was fairly clear that developers were happy with the timeliness of the release itself. And that's not the freeze necessarily, as everyone always wants a shorter freeze, but the actual two-year in between the two releases seemed to go quite well. Next, we have the bad, or the not-so-good point, shall we say? One of the main ones that was brought up here was the communication at DEBCONF9 in Spain around time-based freezes. A lot of people have commented on this before and past, and also the freeze announcements at DEBCONF10. We recognise that we didn't do it as well as we should have. It was a mistake, and hopefully, with some of the ideas and clarities that we're going to have, which we were all about to hear of, this will make it easier for everyone to know what's going on. Freeze duration, yes, everyone doesn't like long freezes. Lack of clarity and process policy, and people didn't really know what sort of reasonable request would be for unblocks. So they did like the way we were very flexible with applying what rules we had, but they didn't like that, they didn't know what the rules were. So hopefully, that will be addressed as well. And one that came up quite a bit from within the team itself, because I also asked them about what we should be doing, is manpower, where we have a limited number of people, and especially around freeze release times, we have a lot of work to do. So that was definitely an issue. And when coming up with a sort of solution for how we're going to do this, that there's sort of a principle that I really want to apply to the release team and release process, which is one based around... Sorry. No surprises. And the idea is that people should simply not be surprised that we're about to freeze. They should not be surprised that their package is about to be removed, or that it's going into testing, or that there's a problem, and that information should be there. And one of the criticisms we've had in the past is our process of removing things from testing. So this is something we're going to try. We're going to create a tool that finds likely candidates for removals for testing, and we're going to use that in a semi-automated way. In fact, very much like we do at the moment, but at the moment we have a list of things and we go manually searching for things to remove, or people come and find us. And one of the important things is that this can be used for the manual removals when we notice there's a problem, and for the automatic ones, and they will mail Debbie and Devel in advance, and say, on this date, this package will be removed for this reason, unless someone comes and tells us why it shouldn't be, or the bug gets fixed, et cetera. So it's very much about providing that transparency so everyone knows where they are and where they stand and what's going to happen in advance. So, again, these are the problems, and I'm going to address them in sort of bottom-up order because that's the easiest to sort of talk about. Firstly, we also want solutions as well as the problems, and so we've been thinking about this. In terms of manpower, there's a number of things. We have the role of the RMS, can be split into sort of dovetailing in general, can be split into sort of dovetailing into what Zach, what Stefano was saying in his talk. We tried it a little bit in the last release, and it worked quite well. So we're going to have sort of two sides to the RMS. You have Adam at the front, who will be certainly leading on the technical side of getting things fixed, making sure the bugs in testing stay there, and I'll be dealing with a lot more the sort of management on the technical side of release management, the administrative side. So it's things like making sure bit smells get out, everyone knows that documentation is there, and sort of the project really knows what we're doing. The second one is sort of a better tracking of distribution of ongoing work. We are looking at tools and various information on how we can enable the project to see what's happening, and we would like to get more involvement or possibly a delegation of people who aren't currently in the release team. We do want to open that up a lot more, because as the number of packages increase, then the amount of work for the release team increases, and it's not getting any bigger, so we need to find some way of reducing that amount of work or getting more people involved. So I'm keen to make sure we try and do that. And the last one is more people. This is certainly always useful. And there has been a couple of changes recently in the release team. We've had to say goodbye, but thank you very much to Pierre, who's been working really hard on the release team, so I do want to take this opportunity to thank him, and a welcome to Neil, who should be around somewhere. There he is, so he's our new release assistant. And Neil has also been volunteered or accepted to do quite a very important job with the above, which is basically to write a lot of documentation. He was asking why there wasn't any documentation on this or on that, and we said it didn't exist. So we suggested that as he goes along this process of finding out how to be a release assistant and working out the policies, that he might want to document it at the same time. And his response was, hmm, now that wasn't no. And if you don't say no clearly, then you end up with this. So for the next couple of years, I think maybe, maybe a little bit less there, then there will be a lot of documentation produced. I'm going to deal with these top three problems because, all together, these are all to do with freezing. And there's been a number of discussions on the mailing lists about how we freeze. So let's have a quick look, and this is sort of how we pick a freeze date in the release team. There's been a number of methods tried in the past, and they all seem to lead to fairly long freezes. Certainly in the case of, in the past, it's been a couple of years, but normally about six months and people find this is too long for various reasons. So firstly, you can pick the number of RC bugs. You can say at this level of RC bugs we will freeze, and it's a fairly interesting metric because sometimes the number of RC bugs never really gets down to that level. The second one is when the RC bug rate flatlines, so you're waiting, so the RC bug rate is coming down, it's coming down, it's coming down, and eventually it sort of reaches a plateau, and it doesn't get any better because there's new RC bugs being introduced at the same rate as old ones being fixed. At that point, it can be a useful point to freeze and to say, okay, now we're going to not introduce any new RC bugs, we're going to keep where we are. And the third possible way we're doing it is when things are ready. So you have KD, or Nome, or the kernel, hopefully they're eventually going to be ready, and we'll be able to freeze that. But that also isn't very satisfactory because the chances of the kernel and KD and Nome all being ready at the same time can be quite interesting. So something that has been suggested on the mailing lists is time-based freezes, and this is the idea that you freeze at a set month and set time and hang the consequences. And the advantage of this is it really helps everyone understand that this is what's going on, so it goes back to this idea of no surprises. Everyone should know exactly the state of the release at all times. And we think it's good. In theory. There are going to be a number of issues, I think, that we're going to have. And these are examples. So will things be ready? The kernel, for example, I see Phil giggling at the back. Ah, right, okay. So will the kernel be ready? Will DI be ready? This is a traditional problem we've had in the past. Excellent. And then what happens if we're not ready? So what happens if it gets to June 2012 and there's 2,000 RC bugs and everything's in a state that influx? So again, solutions. Firstly, reminders. We want to tell the project every month what we're doing and we want to carry on saying, this is what the state is, this is when the freeze is going to happen and we want to really try and get the project involved and make sure that they know exactly what's going on at all times. Secondly, more use of the BTS tags. People like them before, so why not start using them immediately? Why not use them when we're not frozen? And then everyone gets the idea of what's going on. And also people can help contribute as well. So it doesn't just have to be the release team that flags up candidates for removals or transitions and everyone else can help with that.  If it doesn't work, it doesn't work, but we're certainly very happy to try anything. And that does, I do need to just bring on this other point which we've been pestered for quite some time, which is cut or rolling or testing or Bob or whatever it happens to be called this week. This idea that there should be something different to testing. I first want to just have a look at what testing is for. Now originally when AJ set it up, I think we managed to dig through and find the original males and the idea is that it just should exist to make stable releases easier. It should be a tool of the release team and nothing else matters. Now obviously we've moved on slightly from that. We're not in that position. We have users and it is in itself a very useful tool. It's a great way of providing testing for the stable release of having an area that is not unstable and has some sort of level of stability there but isn't a full stable release and people do like that. Now there is a question of can this be unbroken at all times and not easily possible is the answer. There are times when the release team will break testing. An example of this is when the Perl 5.12 transition got tied into the EG Lib C transition which created thousands and thousands of packages that all had to go migrating testing first. What we did is we broke Lib SVN but only on K3BSD and that allowed this transition to all go through and we forced it through. It's important to say that when we break something in testing we clean it up afterwards. It's not something that we just break it and then leave it and then there's a horrible thing. Whenever we use a force hint and we force things through intertesting we make sure that we track the state and we know what's going on because we really do care about testing because it's the next table release but perhaps the emphasis is slightly different on how we care about testing. It has been mentioned that we could use cut or rolling and basically our position is there. We don't mind. If people want to put the work in, excellent. That's fine by us. We shouldn't impact the stable release process. For us in the release team our perspective is this is what we as a project are trying to do and we're trying to get a stable release out. If it essentially doesn't mean more work for the release team then that's absolutely fine. This includes asking the release team to do some work. There's some values of work. Of course we're always happy to answer questions and give support to anyone who wants but getting the release team to do vast swathes of work is something that as much as we'd like to we just don't have the time for. There's not that many people in the release team and I should point out if you are interested in coming along and being a member of the release team we'd be happy to have you. The idea behind rolling came about because there was a feeling that during freezes there wasn't enough development and there wasn't enough sort of excitement new development happening and the entire project started focusing. Now instead of essentially releasing a new reboot strapping a new suite and doing things a whole new way we'd like to take something that's a little bit easier more straightforward and can be accomplished in a lot smaller time frames. This idea is basically experimental should be easier and it should be easier to develop with and there's a couple of things we've got coming up the automatic moving of packages from experimental to unstable thanks to our FTP masters here. We've asked that there is some sort of tool or a suite that allows you to say okay I've uploaded my packages to experimental and they're tested and everyone's happy now now perform this action which moves all of that into unstable avoids unnecessary rebuilds and so it doesn't hit the building network and it's just a very easy way of saying that should now go in experimental so you don't have to re-upload and then wait for a de-install and then wait for all the rebuilds to happen and then have a look at that you can just very easily use experimental and the second one is on-demand experimental repositories this is slightly longer term goal I think Mark said the first one he can do within a week or so but the second one is going to be slightly longer and this is the idea that you can have your own experimental bit like a sort of PPA if you want to say start to work on a transition or work on a large change you can get your own experimental area that you can have and that disappears once you're done with it and this idea so you can work on anything you want even when unstable is frozen and then we have to look at the sort of second reason that experimental isn't used as much it needs to be easier to use so easier to explore people should be able to see what's in experimental they should be able to very easily pick things out and again we have this second idea which is the experimental changes mailing list we currently have testing changes so people can subscribe to it and see what new things are coming into experimental and really try and help to raise the profile of its use but there's also a bit of a question mark one thing I don't know obviously why people don't use experimental otherwise we would have fixed it a long time ago so really obviously welcome any ideas on how we can improve that and there's always ideas about how we make unstable and how it's usable during freeze times and inserting different levels of sweets and my view is that there's always been one we've had the experimental suite it's always existed, people should use it but I'm very interested in finding out why people don't use it I've deliberately left this quite short so we've got about 25 odd minutes for questions and I really do want to hear people's thoughts on what we're doing with release what sort of principles we should and how we can do things like make experimental more exciting so I guess I'll hand it over to the floor if anyone has any questions so can you hear me? try that should be working does it work, does it work? does it work? so one question or suggestion about the transparency of no surprises thing it would be cool if for example popularity content or some package like that if you have some set of packages installed in your current stable and the new stable is coming soon so you get notifications if any of that packages are going to be removed so for example you depend on some package which is in current stable but will be removed in the next so you get some notification I don't know it returns output your cron job or something so you can get notified and maybe you can then act something look at the bug maybe fix it suggest something or whatever yeah certainly when we're looking at the how we're going to do removals from testing we can probably do something machine readable as well as normal so people can have a look and examine what they've got and see if they've got that package installed that certainly shouldn't be a problem I think that was I think I heard you just there volunteering to write it as well wasn't that that will certainly be useful and again it's about adding work to the reason we do want to do things that make things easier for us and for the project as a whole so it's certainly something I think would be useful Any more questions? So comment on why don't I use experimental more and so this is either a technical problem with me or with the build demons is that picking up dependencies from experimental so if you have a package you want to put an experimental but it depends on some libraries and those are an experimental that doesn't seem to work unless you have version dependencies on the libraries which you don't necessarily want to do in general just to make the experimental build so that's maybe a minor technical issue or maybe I need a clue but that's in my experiences then it's been troublesome to get things to complex things to build an experimental I think we've probably got some build people or FTP masters around here that should be able to to talk about that I've got a spare microphone we can get at the front here or actually here's one Is this on? So actually what you can do for so what you can actually do now on the vulnerable side is do temporary dependencies or build dependencies for packages that I actually added during the build so you don't have to get everything right in theory but at least for binanim use into experimental you could specify that it should pick something else from experimental to make it easier but that hasn't been communicated in a good way yet but it will hopefully be soon there's a lot of this is going to be useful documentation which I'm sure will be produced any day now looking hopefully towards the back so that's certainly something we can hope if you look to your left at the person sat there then he'll tell you exactly how to do this I'm sure that's absolutely fine at the front I think for myself I'm a lot more interested in having some kind of set of archives that I can use rather than just experimental the menus of experimental that I make is building versions from upstream trunk of some important package or other and those are typically not directly suitable for promotion to unstable but I might also like to try out something that will be useful for promotion to unstable so I'm a lot more interested in the I realize more difficult larger piece it's certainly more difficult for the FTP masters it's fairly straightforward for us I believe because we don't need to worry about it I want to know how you made your slides because I find them amazing this one is a website called Prezi.com it's not free software and if anyone wants and I was tempted to start a boff on why free software doesn't work for UK government but that's probably another question as a hint it was very much hindered by Oracle's purchase of sun and what that did to the rate of development of open office and I see Tom raising his hand there I'm not sure in defence or in attack of this proposal it's actually not a comment on open office or Libra office at all but one can make a presentation like this with free software with a tool called Jesse Inc which is basically on top of Inkscape and so you could have the same effect it's really quite fun it's J-E-S-S-Y-I-N-K I believe I'll send an email with it like that would be easier you need a pretty good CPU to do that with SVG it's SVG so you zoom in and zoom out but that's a lot of fun there's a question about it is it accessible as well and I don't know but that is an excellent issue for us I think to always think about accessibility so the question was do we have any update on when we should expect a Lenny point release I assume Steve is asking because he's trying to plan his thing I think the 10th of September might be a good weekend I point out because that's when Steve is getting married so I think along with Joe his lovely fiance so I think if we make sure that in between the vows he just types a quick make CD release and pushes that out I'm not sure I'll be the most popular person at the wedding but that should certainly be any idea from our SRMs at the front when we have an X point release nope, they're shaking their heads so I think the answer to your question is no it's on the to-do list while I'm on that what we had is the etch-a-half in previous years and we are looking at not necessarily doing another one because if we have I think a fairly two-year sort of lifespan then that's a lot shorter than it has in the past but we are looking at our policies on what we do with things like graphics drivers network updates things to support new hardware and what we're going to do around supporting those in Stable because I am keen to try to make sure that Stable remains usable for as long as it can do Well, as far as I understood Ben asked for testing for network drivers to the next stable kernel he backported some of the network drivers and probably and as far as I saw it got no response from anyone to that so there is some backporting of network drivers to the current stable kernel Someone at the back Yeah, so I think there is going to be a bit of a change to how we've traditionally done things this is the a great talk which Joey Hess was thinking about called the Balkanisation of Debian and this is the idea that the bulk the impression of the Balkans has been in the past not great and that's changing a lot so there is a lot of great things happening here and it isn't a war-torn country it's really quite quite beautiful and there is the impression of Debian that we have flame wars all the time on the mailing lists and that stable releases are old and out of date and we do need to change that we don't have huge apart from system D huge flame wars on the mailing lists anymore if we have a look at the amount of GRs that we have that's really gone down quite a lot if we have a look at the last DPL election there was one candidate so we don't have this very divisive thing that we used to and stable releases are coming out now every two years fairly regularly and we also want to try and challenge the way that people say stable releases are old and out of date returning to the question of updated hyperdrivers the previous point update already had back-ported drivers for the E1000E and the brocade driver and some HP storage stuff but there are still free back-ports from network drivers which need testers if any one of you has one of these updated hardware it's documented in box against the kernel package all the testing stuff you need to do when you run this and once you report back to test results this can be added to the next 603 point update so these are things that are already happening we are already seeing new hardware being supported in stable releases I think someone next to you was it yeah if you would like to make a call to test newer kernel drivers or whatever just ask the publicity team and we can then or mention it in the dbn project news and a question at the front I think we had do you have made any plans to support the new kernel versioning for stable so that one can use newer kernels I think within our current stable release obviously I'm not the state I'm not involved with the stable releases that's Adam at the front who I'm going to pick on or Phil who is studiously ignoring the microphone that's being offered to him very well so so is there plans to introduce new kernels basically or use concurrent versioning so we can have within stable releases or support that as far as I know there aren't any plans to do that except from like suggesting that there are kernels in backboards and maybe fixing up stuff in stable so that you can actually boot with like 3.0 kernels so there is some that we can look at there yep then we want to have any else they want to raise I was just wondering the timing of the proposed release seems kind of right maybe before debcom for something like what was the plan for why June 2012 well firstly that's the timing for the proposed freeze rather than the proposed release we do still want to stick with releasing it when it's ready because that is a very important thing it's almost what Debian is famous for we release when it's ready not from any particular date on coming up with the perhaps Adam may be able to to chip in as well but on coming up with the date for when we freeze the month it took me 2 or 3 hours or something or discussions to try and work out this date and we realise it's not a perfect date for everyone if we have it before debcom then obviously we're frozen during debcom if we have it in afterwards then we're hitting school holidays or we're hitting Christmas or some things just won't work so we basically picked a date we thought was going to be reasonable and we hoped would aim towards the about 2 years between releases that we were after and so hopefully we can then release slightly quicker than the 2 years but if not then we do have a little bit of time extra there and it's something that we could try one of the issues we had that the project had with the previous proposal was how that syncs up with Ubuntu and one of the views is that we were doing this to simply help Ubuntu having talked to Steve Langersack I'm very very assured that this does not help Ubuntu in any way shape or form he was very very clear that this is not a good date but that said in the future if this does work and we want to again pick if this does work very well then I'll be looking at doing something like June 2014 for the next release and trying to regularise that so again everyone knows and then other distributions can try and sync up with that again if it doesn't work in June then we can try and change it but it's very much about making sure that everyone knows what's going on at all times the front so if somebody were so full hearty as to respond to your call for more manpower on the team what would what would you be looking for for them to do and what would they be getting themselves into in terms of a new member of the team yeah Niels is saying quite documentation there now that Niels is on the team already we've already got a volunteer for that so we don't need much there the best thing to do is join the Debian release mailing list if you don't already read that try and find things called easy hints sets of packages that depend on each other that they have to go in hopefully that will be a slight easier problem in the future we have something called Brittany 2 coming along which is the tool that moves things from unstable into testing and that has some auto hinting capabilities that tries to work out packages that can go together and we also have a SAT solver which we hope to use to again provide for some of the slightly harder easy hints easy hints are basically where we say that package and that package needs to go together rather than preferring something over another one so some of those harder situations hopefully the SAT solver can help with but there's certainly a lot of stuff again documentation is very useful if you come and find something like that and say I don't know how that works then ask us but then write it down one of the things I did in my last bits mail was I said we need more documentation and what do people want do people want FAQs do they need glossaries of the terms we're using do they want flow charts please tell us and I got zero responses so nobody fed back to feedback at release.debian.org as to what they want what sort of documentation do people find useful sort of an open question to the room and I'm getting the same level of responses as I did to my mail I see so people put their hand up if they think documentation about the release process would be useful right so some people think that would be useful so Neil just put his hand up as well so that's probably very useful as well as he'll be writing most of it it's something we're keen to do to make sure that everyone knows what's going on so writing documentation although it could be not the most exciting thing in the world and it's something that's always useful to everyone anyone else on at the front I'm very excited by the idea of having a special experimental repository for preparing transitions but as you said it's not your business mainly FTP master but it's not only FTP master there's also a problem of build damage integration much more than just FTP master do we have some sort of coordinated plan already or is it only a one or two FTP master thinking allowed a hoe is that really nice it's not directly for you but maybe Mark can already answer there is an email about to go to the build people before we send it out more publicly so yes we're working on a plan but we haven't finished it off yet so there is a proposal and I'm just being cautious because Phil's only sat slightly to my left and he doesn't know about it yet but yes there's an email going to build D fairly soon to talk to them about what would be necessary and then we'll send another project for more comments as a whole and I'll also point out at Thursday at 10 apparently there's an FTP master boff so if you're interested in anything to do FTP master or DAC going on Thursday at 10 Thursday at 10 10 o'clock on Thursday there's a boff yeah it's Thursday 10 o'clock just in case anyone wasn't clear as to what we've got there so you've got anyone have any again sorry just leave them with the microphones they'll have a bit of a chat between themselves for a bit I'm worried about cut and rallying and stuff you told it's fine if you're if we're not blocking you not making it harder to make stable release but let's say that I tell everybody that testing is usable and that they should use it would that make your job harder or not well we always want more people to use testing it's a bit hard to answer that with a yes or no question people finding bugs in testing is useful because we want a good stable release we're not going to guarantee though that testing will always remain unbroken for all packages because there are as I've shown there are reasons that sometimes we just need to break it there are no other ways of getting these packages migrated with our current tools but that said we can't try and keep it as usable as we can and then when we do break it we always make sure we clean that up afterwards and when we treat it very carefully second question on this topic I saw what you're making to keep it usable breaking it on K3BSD is fine I think K3BSD users might not agree with that temporary people who are using K3BSD currently use seed anyway either stable or seed I don't think there are many test we really need testing because they're not clueful enough to fix stuff so I mean when we're looking at keeping testing usable at least for the rolling idea is really for the main stream of people that is mainly I386 and AMD64 and my question was just would you mind if we to add a rolling sibling to testing just to be able to use this marketing effect to say testing is not broken so we can call it rolling I understand that I'm not sure that creating a new suite and everything around it is perhaps the best way of getting a marketing effect to try and say you can use testing I personally don't particularly care what it's called I'm not I don't really mind I like publicity people to think if it's particularly better if it's called rolling or testing or whatever we do the problem with potentially calling it rolling is what happens in freeze time does it stop rolling so I think testing is a useful description for what it is we have run out of time but thank you very much for everyone and if anyone has any questions then certainly myself and Adam or any of the release team I'm sure would be very happy to help answer those thank you very much everyone


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Considering mutual funds, remembering that as individual investors, we can buy individual stocks, individual bonds, but likely we're utilizing tools such as mutual funds, ETS, allowing us to pool our investments with other investors into the fund, the fund then allocating over a broader array of securities in accordance with the rules of the fund, possibly allowing us as individual investors to get more diversification than we otherwise could. Also remember that 401K plans in IRAs can usually be thought of as generally like a mutual fund at its core, which is then under the umbrella of an IRA or a 401K plan, giving you tax benefits you need to consider, as well as giving you some restrictions in exchange for those tax benefits. So when we're purchasing mutual funds, we've got to take into consideration the fees that could be involved, which we can compare to the fees that might be involved in stocks, for example, but the mutual funds, we have to wrap our mind around the fact that they're a little bit different than investing in individual stocks. So if we're investing in a stock, we might have like the brokerage fee, for example, for the trade. When you're investing in the mutual fund, then you've got possibly a commission that you might have a front end kind of thing similar to a broker's fee that you can consider, but if you're purchasing from the source, you might be able to limit like a commission front end fee. Then you also could have the fee, of course, for managing the fund, because no matter what you do, the fund is now gonna take those pooled assets together and it has to basically allocate those funds in some way, which is gonna cost some money, as opposed to just investing in say an individual stock. Now remember that if you have an actively managed mutual fund, that means you're giving more leeway to the manager and they're gonna have to be very good, and they're gonna have to be high priced managers if they're gonna beat the index, the averages, and therefore you would think that those fees would be higher, or you can invest in say indexed funds where the mutual fund is trying to tie to the averages of the market. And in that case, you would think that the management funds would be lower, although still there, because it's less dependent on the professional decision making process, it's just more of an administration task in that case. You also could have fees when you sell the mutual fund, because you can imagine, for example, a mutual fund saying we want to be more steady so that we don't have a lot of buys and sells on the underlying securities within the fund. So we don't want to encourage people, for example, possibly to be buying and selling mutual funds kind of like you're buying and selling individual stocks from a day trading perspective, and therefore you can imagine rules saying you have to hold the mutual fund for a particular period of time or possibly subject to a fee at the point in time that you sell the fund. So those are the three fees that we want to kind of consider. The commission upfront, similar to paying like a brokerage fee with a stock that we may be able to limit, depending on where we buy the mutual fund, the maintenance fee for managing the fund, which could be an ongoing fee, which we could lower in comparison to other funds by using say index funds versus actively managed funds, for example, and the fee for selling the backend fee, which again, hopefully we can remove the backend fee by holding on to the mutual fund past the period that it's required to not get charged if that's how they're implementing the backend fee. That said, we're imagining an investment of 55,000. There's no front end load, meaning no commission charge, possibly because we're buying it directly from the issuer of the fund. So contingent fee, the sales load is 4.5% for withdrawing during the first year. So we're imagining then a rule saying you can invest in the mutual fund, but if you take the money back out within the first year, we're trying to disincentivize people from doing that because that makes the mutual fund have to manage that process by buying and selling the stocks that are underlying within the mutual fund, which are trying not to do, they're trying to keep that somewhat stable, they're gonna charge you the fee. So let's imagine that they withdrew in the first year, $8,800. So we put some money in the mutual fund, we thought we were gonna be able to hold on to it for more than a year in the mutual fund, but then we had to take out 8,800 before that year that timeframe had passed. That means that that amount that we took out, the 8,800 would be subject to the sales load, the contingent fee. So that would just, once we know that the contingent fee calculation be pretty straightforward, 8,800 times the 4.5%, we've got the fee of $396. So the bottom line is once again, we wanna be considering what are gonna be the fees that are gonna be involved. It's a little bit different than looking at individual stocks that we would be purchasing because there is the management of the fund. And again, you could have this back-end fee that you wanna make sure that you are aware of if you think that you may need to pull the money out before say some timeframe has passed that where you wouldn't get charged for pulling the money out.