Daily Tech News Show is made possible by you, the listener. Thanks for letting me into your ears, including Pele Glendale, Dustin Campbell, Tim Deputy, and brand new patrons, Andy and Payton. Welcome, Andy and Payton. On this episode of DTNS, CES 2024 rolls on everyone's gaga over gigabytes big monitor. SAG-AFTRA's voice actor, A.I. Deal, is not that well-received by the actors. And Trisha Hershberger's gonna share her secret CES finds from motherboards to the world's fastest shoes. This is the Daily Tech News for Wednesday, January 10th, 2024 in Las Vegas. I'm Tom Merritt. And from Studio Animal House, I'm Sarah Lane. And Salt Lake City, I'm Scott Johnson. And I'm the show's producer, Roger Chang. Joining us, TV host and streamer, Trisha Hershberger. Thank you for having me. This is so fun. Thank you for being here.  Yeah, it's good to be in person. It is. Be at CES. We have a lot of CES news we gotta crank through. So just, you know, hang out. Let us know what you think of it. Sarah and I work through it. I'm excited. I'll be the hype girl over here. Fantastic. Let's start with the quick hits. Open AI launched its GPT store where you can get custom chat bots if you pay for a chat GPT. Open AI says users have made more than 3 million bots already. So it'll be highlighting some of those weekly in its store. You can get the apps if you pay for a chat GPT plus or enterprise as well as a new tier called Teams. That'll go $30 per user per month. Teams is meant for businesses with around 150 people and adds access to GPT-4, Dolly-3, and advanced data analysis. Later this year, Open AI says it will begin a revenue share with developers based on usage of their bots. In other CES news, a blog post was published Wednesday by Valve announcing new rules around how it will handle AI content on Steam. A new AI disclosure section will prompt developers to describe how their games use AI content. Valve separates the content between pre-generated and live-generated AI. And the company also said that much of the disclosure will appear on the Steam store page. So customers know what they're buying before they put down their money. Valve is also planning a new system where players can report illegal content within games containing live-generated AI. On Tuesday, the Securities and Exchange Commission's X account, which is at SEC Gov, appeared to have posted the following tweet. Today, the SEC grants approval for Bitcoin ETFs for listing on all registered national securities exchanges. The approved Bitcoin ETFs will be subject to ongoing surveillance and compliance measures to ensure continued investor protection. And quote, however, that wasn't something that the SEC actually posted. By the way, ETFs stand for Exchange Traded Funds. However, what happened was a malicious actor used a SIM swap attack, took over the phone number, tied to the SEC Gov account, exed Tuesday night after a preliminary probe of what happened. It found no breach of its own systems and also said the SEC's account didn't have two factor-auth enabled. Whoops. SEC Chair Gary Gensler has opposed Bitcoin ETFs in the past, although the SEC is expected to reverse course this week. A little wild ride for Bitcoin yesterday. Back in March of 2023, Twitch laid off 400 people at the same time that its parent company, Amazon, went through wider layoffs of 18,000 people. Today, on Wednesday, Twitch CEO Dan Clancy announced Twitch is laying off more than 500 people, and that's around 35% of its existing staff. Amazon also sent an email to employees of Prime Video and MGM Studios, announcing it will cut hundreds of jobs in those divisions. Amazon has laid off more than 25,000 employees in total last year. Hewlett Packard Enterprise, or HPE, confirmed it will acquire networking gear vendor Juniper Networks for around $14 billion in an all-cash deal. The deal still needs to be approved at which point the acquisition will double HPE's existing networking business with Juniper CEO Rami Rahim running the combined group and reporting to HPE's CEO, Antonio Neri. You might recall that back in 2015, HPE split its business into two entities, including HPE, that sells servers and other equipment for data centers, and HPE Inc., which makes PCs and printers. We have a couple of nice stories about tech growth today. The Semiconductor Industry Association reports the worldwide chip revenue rose 5.3% on the year, led by a 7.6% rise in chip sales in China. It's the first time we've seen growth for chips in more than a year, and data.ai reports the consumer spending on apps rose 30% on the year across Apple, Google, and third-party app stores, mostly in China. Game spending fell 2%, but non-game spending in apps rose 11%, led by TikTok and generative AI apps, so like Jaxi BT and stuff. Bangladesh was the fastest growing market for app spending.  I have not. I think I'm missing something. No, not me either, so it must be Bangladesh, I guess. AI PIN device maker Humane cut 10 people from its staff, including its CEO, who departed to spend more time with his family, but continues to advise the company. Not a huge percentage of Humane's total employees, but still significant. The Humane device has not shipped yet. It's also still hiring as a company, so the company is spinning this as a reorganization, not just layoffs. DSMC reported better than expected revenue for Q4, saying demand for NVIDIA and AMD's AI devices made up for a decline in demand for phones and laptops. Some more good chip news here. DSMC also says the issue with stockpiled inventory that had depressed demand has largely been resolved. So yeah, on our way out of the chip problem, I guess. YouTube partnered with Boston's Mass General Brigham Healthcare System and the Mexican Red Cross to make videos covering what to do in basic healthcare emergencies like a heart attack. These videos will come up first in search if you're looking for help with these kinds of topics. The videos are available in both Spanish and English and the US at first with more countries and languages to come. All right, that's the non-CES news. Are you ready for the CES news, Trish? Let's do it. All right, Google is not only merging its nearby share file sharing function with Samsung's Quick Share, but it's taking the name as well. It's like a marriage. Okay. It's taking Samsung's name. Quick Share is going to become the default in Android and Chrome OS. Google will also update nearby share for Windows, including adding support for ARM chips to that one. The new system and a new logo will start rolling out next month. Japan's Hoya showed off the vision that's VIXION01 to help people focus their vision. They're designed by Nendo to look like futuristic shades of sorts. Inevitably, people compared them to Georgie LeForge's Star Trek visor, but they're more modern. Time of flight sensors on the front measure distance to objects, so it can adjust the lenses. The user then slides the lenses to get a centered image, then turns a dial on the right to focus each eyeball. Because there is a limited field of view, it's not meant for all day wear, but for tasks like model kits or reading small print. It has a 10 hour battery life and IPX3 for water resistance, meaning it can tolerate a light rain, but nothing more intense. Do not go into this when we pull with these on. It's available for pre-order in Japan for 99,000 yen, which is about 690 US dollars. Shipping in February. No international plans just yet though. Did you see those in person? I did. I got to try them on and check them out. They look real weird when they're on. Yeah, because they got the creepy eyes on the front. They got the creepy eye. Vietnam's VINFAST announced its VF3 utility EV coming to the US. This is following up the VF8 mid-sized crossover brought to the US last year. New VF3 is like a small blocky SUV looking thing. It's a bit smaller than a Mini Cooper SE. Seats for people and you can fold down the rear seat for cargo. Comes with Apple CarPlay and Android Auto and gets 125 miles on a charge. So it's not gonna go super far. The VF3 sells for the equivalent of about 12,000 dollars in Vietnam. So even if it's more expensive in the US, it will likely be one of the most affordable EVs that you can get. VINFAST will start accepting reservations later this year. Also announced a Toyota Tacoma-sized truck called the VF Wild with a power-folding mid-range thing that expands from five to eight feet. No range or timing or release on the truck yet. Hyundai's spinoff, Mobin, has a delivery bot that can climb curbs and even some stairs. The wheels have a flexible outer wall with an articulating frame that holds their shape and the bed tilts to keep delivery items mostly level. Mobin also plans to bring the wheels to wheelchairs and other mobility products in the future. Look for them being tested on the streets and the many, many stairs of Seoul, Korea. Oh, you've experienced those stairs. I have experienced them, and I will be very helpful. In even smaller EV news, Squad Mobility showed off prototypes of its tiny solar-powered EVs. Squad Mobility was founded by engineers from the solar-powered car company Lightyear. It's 6.6 feet long with cargo space for a suitcase. The Solar City car has a 250-watt peak panel on the roof that you can charge enough for a few short trips a day. In sunny Las Vegas, for example, you could expect to get around 13 miles just on the energy from the top panel. You can plug it into. Top speed is 25 miles per hour, and the company says it's a year out from production but hopes to sell the Solar City EV for $6,250, price of a MacBook Pro. Walmart executives gave a keynote address at CES on the company's plans to use augmented reality and drones and generative AI and other tech. On iOS, Walmart added some generative models to its search so you can give it use cases like supplies for a birthday party rather than searching for plates and napkins and cakes individually. Walmart also showed off a chat bot that might eventually help shoppers by talking to them about what they're looking for. Walmart will also add some generative model help to its in-home replenishment service that identifies frequently ordered items and then delivers them to your home when you need them through its smart lock-powered in-home delivery service. On the augmented reality side, shop with friends lets you virtually try on outfits and then share the results. And Sam's Club will start using computer vision to speed up the recipe confirmation as you exit the warehouse stores. Walmart will also expand its drone delivery service to cover 75% of the Dallas-Fort Worth area in Texas. All right, that's the quick CES news. That's not all the CES news. You've got a ton of stuff for us a little later in the show, Trish, but Sarah and I thought we need to pick one thing to tell you about too. Is that cool? I love this. All right, I'm gonna talk about the Rabbit R1 that was designed with the collaboration of Teenage Engineering. It's about half the size of an iPhone with a touchscreen and Wi-Fi, but the main attraction is the software. Rabbit uses what the company calls a large action model instead of a large language model because it's trained to interact with apps and websites. So it knows what settings look like, how to read confirmations, et cetera. And it knows how to do these things so it doesn't need to be trained on a specific app. It's just trained to use apps. You press a button and ask for what you want and then it finds the right app or website to deliver it. Here's an example. Impact on the genre. I can also use R1 to call a ride. Let me ride from my office to home now. Of course, I will book an Uber ride for you from your office to your home. Please confirm the ride. I have six people with three blockages. Find me a Uber that can fit all of us. For six people and three pieces of luggage, I recommend booking an Uber XL as it provides ample space for all passengers and luggage. Please confirm the ride. The ride shows up, I just hit confirm. Uber's on my way. Yeah, so you just talk to it. You just tell it what to do. You can also train it to do specific actions. They used Photoshop as an example, like looping the watermark, stuff like that. The interface itself, if you're seeing the video, is a series of category-based cards like music, transportation, et cetera. It's there to verify that it's doing what you asked and so you can tap confirm. And while some things work on device, a lot of them go through a portal, which they call the rabbit hole. Where you log into services, you want Rabbit to access. So you're trusting them to let you log in in the cloud. It can also use a virtual machine for programs like Photoshop. It has a 2.88-inch touchscreen, a scroll wheel, and a 360-degree rotating camera called the Rabbit Eye. It's not meant to be used as a phone, but they did build in an LTE SIM slot so you can get mobile data. Rabbit only says the battery lasts all day. It didn't get milliamp hours or anything. It is available for pre-order now and it's 199 bucks shipping in March. Trish, what is this? What do you make of this? I mean, my first thought is like, okay, so is this like a smart speaker that you would just take with you on the go that can connect everywhere? But it does seem like it's more than that, right? Yeah, yeah. Almost as if it's a phone just minus the cell phone capabilities. And my question to this is, are they anticipating people carry this instead of a phone? Because I feel like your phone doesn't have all these capabilities, but you can certainly order an Uber XL on your own on your phone very easily. So I mean, my question would come down to, does it work the way that they showed it in the demo? Or am I gonna ask my bunny assistant order me an Uber and it'll say, can't understand what you're asking for over and over and over again or something like that. They have said they don't expect it to replace a phone, but maybe it will. So I feel like this is for early adopters at $199 it's not a steep thing for people to try out and they wanna see what people make of it. They want it to get its name out there and then my guess is they probably hope somebody wants to license the technology or build it in or partner with them or something like that. Scott, what do you make of this? Well, I kind of have the same initial questions that Trisha threw out. Even more so, I would say when I see him do this on the stage, what I feel like I'm watching is a thing, our phones are either already doing or we'll do shortly. And by shortly I just mean really the AI capability stuff. That's all coming. We know that's coming. It's just 100% coming from Android, iOS and everybody else and their dog. So if I'm meant to carry this and a phone, I feel a pretty big sense of redundancy here. I will say this though, in the interim while I don't have those things on my phone or there is some uniqueness to this device, 200 bucks isn't too bad to give it a swing and see if this thing fits your lifestyle or not. So I'm happy about where the price is, but I just think other stuff is coming and I'm not gonna want two devices. I'm gonna want the one that I'd also do everything else on and not just that device. So I have concerns that way about the longevity of that but who knows, somebody could make a phone using this OS and it's feature set and do it quickly and maybe that's the ultimate goal here. Like you said. That's why it feels like a demonstration to me. Sarah, what do you think of it? Yeah, it's a tough sell to ask me to cram yet one more thing into a small fanny pack that I might have on my person, out and about walking the dog type thing. I get what they're going for. I get that it's more just natural language using the apps that you already have. I think you really have to dislike the experience of launching an app to do a thing. I'm used to it. So when I first saw this I was like, this is not solving a problem that I have but maybe I don't realize that it's a more cumbersome situation than it could be. We're just used to doing things the way that we're allowed to do the things. So right now, this is not something that I would buy even for $200, which seems pretty cool. Kind of a if this then that type of feel, I think this is but at the same time, like you said Scott, this seems like a product that isn't gonna exist for very long because the devices themselves, if they just had the capability, would negate the need for yet another thing that isn't replacing your phone. So I don't know how often I would be able to use it without also having my phone with me. I want this in my phone. Yeah. Right? And I think Rabbit knows that and they're trying to get it out there. I could make a comparison to a gaming device that maybe this isn't an entirely fair comparison but the Playdate which has been uniquely pop popular. Yeah, it even has a kind of look of it, right? Kind of a similar vibe. That found a niche that easily could have been solved by somebody saying, well, why wouldn't I just get a Switch or a Steam Deck or some dedicated thing that lets me play all of these things? Well, that's not really the point, is it? The point of the Playdate is this unique kind of retro weirdly futuristic thing with really creative ideas behind it and that sort of thing. This could be positioned as that. I think a lot of it would help to know what the build quality of this is. It's really hard to tell from the stage presentation and their marketing material but it fits a nice little solid state feeling thing that's not jittery or plasticky. I feel like there may be a little sub market there that we're not even thinking about.  Just merge it into other devices. Exactly. Nailed it. Sarah, what was the thing you found? Well, okay, so if you've got the desk space and my current desk does not apply, you might like Gigabyte's Aorus CO49DQ 49 inch gaming monitor. Might be the monitor of your dreams. Again, if you've got the space. It was first announced back in December. It's finally getting shown off for real. Slightly curved double quad HD DQHD display with 5120 by 1440 resolution with the 144 Hertz refresh rate support as well. Currently listed at $1,299, although Gigabyte says the cost may drop some by the time it starts shipping. It is also 25 pounds. So not only do you need to have the space but you need to have a desk that can support something like this. Scott, we were talking a little bit before the show. They're touting this as a gaming monitor. It's a monitor that can be used for all sorts of stuff but for gaming, what do you think? Well, all right, so there's gonna be a certain market that are gonna grab this right away because they want the best there is when it comes to their gaming rigs. And I think this thing is beautiful and kind of breathtaking. To be honest, I'd be more interested in using it for more productive stuff. And I don't, I'm not calling games unproductive but I mean, I do a lot in a wide screen as it is now to have that much more space for my workflow would be incredible. So I'm actually, I would eye something like this more for that personally than I would for gaming. That being said, all the specs on this thing are top notch, the thing weighs about 25 pounds. That's a lot for us display. That's a whole lot for a display. And it will find its market. I only have one problem with this and maybe this says too much about my eyeballs. But the bigger the screen, the better when you're in your living room. The bigger the screen in the office, not necessarily great for gaming. You tend to have to look up here to see a thing in the corner or down here to see a thing, another UI element that you may have missed because the bigger you get the harder that gets. And I've had a 50 inch TV, although 12 by nine aspect ratio before.  You'd think it would be more immersive but really you lose out on the seeing stuff. So I worry a little bit that 49 basically 50 inches even though this is a better aspect ratio for that might be a little rough. Also there's a lot of issues about game supporting certain ultra-wides and not every game does. So I don't know if there's some give and take here the price is going to be enormous. So I don't know that it'll be worth it for your average gamer, but there are people out there that are going to be building driving Sims and adding new steering wheels and having a real ball with this thing. Trish, what do you think? Oh, I totally agree, especially for racing Sims. But I actually don't think the price is too bad. 12.99 for something this big I think is pretty reasonable. But in addition to certain games not supporting that amount of ultra-wide. It's also really hard for streamers and content creators because there's not a lot of capture cards that support a resolution that looks like this. So it's very niche, but I think with that price point I agree with Scott, it will find its audience. You know, Scott, you make a good point of how watching something on a really large TV in your living room is kind of like you're just looking at the TV, right? In gaming, you're looking at specific things on the display in front of you, whatever that display may be. The way that you absorb and consume the content is not only more interactive, but it does require you to sometimes be looking over in the left-hand corner for a while type thing. And you do that with TVs.  When you're close up like this, things get a little weird. And to give people some perspective here, let's say you take your average 32-inch or even 27-inch 1440P display, which are popular with gamers and non-gamers alike. Imagine two of those now. At that, their default 16 by 9 ratio, stack those right next to each other, that's this display. It's essentially those two resolutions mushed into one to create the final large resolution. It is a lot. Now again, from a productivity standpoint, or a windowed game over here while stock prices are over here, whatever, whatever you're doing, and maybe even more so for streamers. I think, Trish and I would love one of these for just having the space to do what you need to get done. Then we're talking, but I think if you're just trying to relax in front of a video game, for me, and I'm not saying this is everybody, but for me, I'm gonna lose sight of stuff and that's hard. So there's a very fine line there. Everybody's gonna maybe have a different preference, but I've found that around 36 inches is just about as much as I wanna go on a desktop. Yeah. All right, Tuesday we mentioned the agreement between SAG-AFTRA and Replica Studios over the licensing of voice actors' voices for use by generative models. The agreement includes minimum rates to replicate a voice, limitations on how long that replica can be used, some safe storage and transparency requirements, and replicas can be used in games and other media, ancillary media, probably trailers and things like that is most likely what that's for. It does not allow for voices to be used to train language models, at least not yet. Actors must give consent before their voice can be replicated and can deny the right to use their voice in perpetuity. SAG-AFTRA said in a blog post that the deal was approved by affected members of the union's voiceover performer community, but the deal came as a surprise to at least some voice actors. Prolific video game voice actor Steve Blum told the BBC that nobody he knew had approved the deal. World of Warcraft voice actor Andrew Russell told the BBC the deal was garbage, and actress Shelby Young said that she was really disappointed in the union. Trisha, have you been following the story and why does it seem like there's so much, I don't know, discord? I have been following it and I am a SAG-AFTRA member, not that I do video game voice acting, but I really respect the craft and I have a lot of friends that do it and was obviously following all of the AI conversation around the SAG-AFTRA strike that recently resolved. But I think the biggest deal here is using a voice replica and, you know, or using your image replica for the SAG-AFTRA strike that just resolved, it takes away the acting part of it. So sure, you're licensing your voice, but is an algorithm gonna deliver the same performance that Christopher Judge does in God of War? Like the human interpreting the emotion of the text and telling the story, that is acting. So this is taking away acting in terms of just like, I guess I have a unique voice, you're welcome to use it. I do like that it's not using it to train any future AI or create any synthetic voices, it is just a replica in that way and I can see how SAG-AFTRA is trying to work with the new technology rather than just trying to stop it, but as a performer, like I have a theater degree, that's what I trained in, as a performer it's removing the acting from voice acting and that's sad. But the actor has the ability to say no, you can't do it. Sure, sure, that's true. But there's a beast of that. And I would like to say, I mean now we can look at it and say that an algorithm can't deliver the same type of performance that Ashley Berger, Christopher Judge or Ashley Johnson or any of these people deliver in our games, but are we going to get to a point where a computer can deliver that emotionally moving of a performance? I hope that the human element of it brings something different, but that's a scary prospect. Yeah, I have enough friends in the voice acting business, especially in the video game acting business to know that their biggest problem with this isn't so much the structure of it, although there are some problems with it.  Part of the problem here is that they're not all being involved. Some may have been, some may have not been. That's their biggest concern is if you're gonna make these sort of decisions as a collective, then the collective should be involved. And I couldn't agree with that more. Like there are a lot of issues I have about the future of voice acting, AI, how it affects games or any other medium for that matter. But all of those aside, this affects them directly. They are 100% the reason you need this agreement. If you're not involving them, that's the mistake. So I think that you can salvage this. You just need to open it up, talk about it, make changes where needed, get the approval of really everybody who might be involved. That means votes. That means regular union behavior. And then come to some conclusion that hopefully fits as many solutions as you can. But right now it sounds like it was good faith effort, but perhaps didn't have everyone in the room that should have been there. And I haven't read the agreement, but the details do sound okay. I think you nailed it, Scott. Everyone wanted to be asked first. Yeah, it affects you. So tell me. Well folks, if you wanna keep up to date on the fast moving world of artificial intelligence, you should probably try listening to AI name the show. Every week, Tristan Zutra and Teja Kastodi wade through the hype and the doomsaying and all of this complicated mess and try to keep you informed about the latest news in AI. Catch it at aynamedthisshow.com. CES is jam-packed with products and innovations in almost every category. Trisha, you've been here a few days already. It's overwhelming what's out there. What are some of your faves though? What are some of your hidden finds so far? So I love getting to talk to all of you because there is no possible way that one human can see everything at CES. So I like that we're bringing different things from different perspectives. But as far as what I've seen so far, probably the thing I'm most excited about is the hidden cable motherboards that are coming out. And I kind of read and was looking forward to seeing these in person before I got here. But whether you call it, I mean ASUS calls theirs, BTF motherboards, which stands for Back to the Future. And I love that they were very clear about the puns intended because all the cable connectors are on the back. I thought that was cute. MSI is calling them Project Zero, Gigabyte's calling it Project Stealth. Whatever you call it, I mean DIY PC building has gotten much more popular over the years. It's also gotten much more accessible over the years. And this takes another step in that direction where to have a really clean look and keep all of your cable management in the back, you no longer need to take everything from the back, bring it around to the front, bend it in a very awkward way, which does complicate your PC build experience. So it looks cleaner, it's gonna make building easier. And right now you not only need the motherboard with the connectors on the back, but you need a compatible case as well if you're gonna do this kind of build. And ASUS even showed off a specific new type of GPU that's built to go with this. I think they might be calling it advanced BTF where the GPU plugs into the motherboard in such a way that you don't even have the GPU power connectors coming around the front. So very, very clean looking, very cool. And of course it makes me feel like I have to go home and do a completely new build. Yeah, no, it's gonna make a lot of people decide like, well, I guess this justifies starting from scratch. Sure, yeah. Which is fun, right? So once you do all that hard work, you're gonna need a snack. Of course. Yeah, when you have somebody build your PC for you, either a PC building company or somebody do it for you, you don't worry about it so much because they'll do a good job. They'll tie it all up the way you need it. That's part of their deal. But suddenly I'm interested in building again because that's my biggest hangup. I cannot stand that rat's nest of cables. I hate it. So bring it on, this is a great idea. And it took them way too long to do this, by the way. Way too long. This is an innovation we could have seen in 99. I don't know what's going on, but fine, do it now. I love that it's happening. Yeah, better late than never. Right, and Tom, to satisfy your snack urge while you're building a PC, another really fun thing that I saw this year, and I don't know if you saw it as well, was from ColdSnap. It's kind of like a cure egg but for ice cream. So you can store all the ice cream components in a can that doesn't have to be refrigerated. I think they said it has up to six month shelf life. So you just put cans of ice cream in your pantry or whatever, they don't need to be refrigerated.  And then in, I think it was like two minutes or less than two minutes or something like that. Yeah, it's pretty clear. It freezes and distributes soft serve ice cream and it tasted delicious. You wouldn't have known, but it came from a pot. I tried it too. Yeah, it was pretty tasty. I mean, it wasn't gourmet or salt and straw level or anything, but for home ice cream is great. It fell to me like boardwalk ice cream. Yeah, that's a good way of putting it. It felt like boardwalk soft serve. It was delicious. And for anyone that's like, oh no, cure eggs, so much waste, so much disposable, the cans are recyclable. So the company was definitely encouraging sustainability and it seemed pretty cool and I enjoy tasting ice cream from a can. Indeed, that's one of the benefits of CES. I mean, my initial question was like, okay, well, if they're in these cans that you store in your pantry and maybe they're in there for up to six months, you're not exactly getting anything fresher than you would at the store, but you're probably, if you are a household that eats a lot of ice cream, I'm gonna save a lot of money. Yeah, unsealed, so you know. And I guess it's just sort of fun to be able to say we did it at home. Pop it out. Right, you can have ice cream whenever you want without planning because the ice cream will freezer burn in your freezer, so yeah, that's cool. Yeah, it's very rad. I enjoyed seeing that a lot. Another thing I was excited to see in person because I missed it last year was Displaces Wireless Television. Oh right, they brought it back again. They brought it back again this year. They have some upgrades to it. You can now shop with your phone by tapping your phone on the side of it if you're paying for something on the television. They also have wireless charging built into it if you get their stand now. But it was neat to see a television that is completely wireless. So I think the images that were trending from CES both this year and last were them hanging the TV on a window and seeing no wires. And one of my questions that I wanted to ask them is as someone that uses my living room TV also to play my video games, I was like, okay, well if I have to plug in an HDMI, does that kind of ruin the whole aesthetic? But they have a little dock. They have a little HDMI dock that you can put in a closet or something like that nearby and you plug any extra cables you want into that. So it's like the LG wireless kind of. I'm not familiar with LG's wireless. Yeah, but it's got a breakout box that's separated and then it broadcasts the signal over to the monitor. So it sounds like it works in a similar way. Yeah, is LG's also wireless in terms of power? Not for the screen. So that's a big advantage on that. Yeah, yeah, that's a good point. So Displace has about, I think they said a 30-day battery life with about six hours of usage a day, which is pretty good. And last year they were hot swappable. So I assume they still are, which means you could just go in and swap out a battery while it's running. Yeah, cool. I mean, I just moved to a new apartment. I haven't mounted my TV on the wall yet. It's on the long list of things to do. But one of the first things is like, okay, now how do I, what am I gonna do with the wires? Like, did they just hang out the bottom? Am I lucky enough to have an outlet that just happens to be right behind the TV? Of course not. So this is not necessarily something that I'm going to buy, but one day, one day, all of our TVs will say, remember when you used to plug in a TV? Isn't that funny? Those were the days. Yeah. No, that's cool. It's very, very cool. Another thing I saw people running around with, or should I maybe say skating around with, at one of the events this week is the world's fastest shoes from Shift Robotics. I dodged many a person wearing the world's fastest shoes. Did you get a chance to try them? I didn't put them on though, yeah. I didn't put them on because I had sandals on that day and I was not about to put my feet in and issue robots without a lot of protection. But they basically kind of looked like, if you remember Moon Shoes, those horrible ankle breaking traps from like, yesteryear, if you remember Moon Shoes and then roller skates, like if they all had a baby, that would be these Shift Robotics shoes. And I guess they showed this design back in 2022, but it's the first time I saw it. And it essentially feels like, from what everyone has said, you're walking around on like a people mover at the airport.  And right now they're aiming this at warehouse applications to help warehouse workers be more productive and get around a lot faster and easier. But then they're talking about consumer applications moving forward and stuff like that. It does weigh about three and a half pounds per shoe. So I wonder if you're building up those leg muscles a little bit when you're using it. It's a workout. Especially if you're using it in a warehouse. Yeah, maybe a little bit after a while. But it does only have a one-hour battery life right now. So maybe your likes could take it for about an hour. But as this becomes a one-hour battery life. And it takes about an hour to charge it back up.  Once they become more mass produced, maybe we would start to see better solutions to that and also probably better price points. I know they were talking about 1,400 to 1,700 a pair right now. But when they get it to the consumer market, they were saying, we're aiming it closer to like 6 to 700-ish. Yeah. I mean, I don't want to say that's not bad. But for what you're getting, that seems to be a more reasonable price. It does. It's the same price as a humane AI pin for a pair of fast shoes. For a pair of the world's fastest shoes. The other thing I saw that was super cool, and I got to try this on, is the Hexar Glove. The Hexar Glove from Microtube. It is the world's first untethered pneumatic glove for extended reality applications. Oh, OK, it's like a haptics kind of thing. But it's not haptics. That's what I thought. It's pneumatic and it's got six touch points. So it's all your fingertips plus your palm. And it's using pneumatics to apply pressure in certain areas. Say if you were to grab something, it feels like you're holding something. It's giving you that resistance. If you, I did a demo where I had to put my hands under a water fountain, and you could feel the water drops on our fingertips. Yeah, it was really cool. And so I was glad I got a chance to try it out. It's definitely not in a form that I think they're going to sell it to people at yet. It looks very prototypy, but it was cool to experience it. And it worked. Yeah, that is very cool. Trish, thank you for giving us the insights on these. Those are some great finds. They were some good finds. Some real fun stuff there. Thank you also for just being here all together. If folks want to find more of what you're doing, where should they go? You can follow me online at that girl Trish with no I in the girl. So it's just that GRL Trish. And Trisha Hershberger on Twitch and YouTube. Fantastic. Scott Johnson, thanks to you as always. Let folks know where your latest can be found. 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All right, lady. What is this? Hey everybody and welcome to show and tell. It's me Lady Aida with me mr. Lady Aida and we're broadcasting from our downtown Manhattan headquarters beautiful summer days Summer evening here in New York City. You can see everyone's gone. That's because it's time for show and tell We're gonna check in with digikey and makers and crafters and hackers and creative people from around the internet See what they're up to check in with them for our weekly check-in and then don't forget in about 30 minutes We have Ask engineer, so let's kick it off with Kevin Haven't seen you in a couple weeks. How are you? I am good. How are you guys good? Sounds like a nice summer day in beautiful Manhattan. It's in the sunlight. There's sunlight. This is where yeah It's also beautiful here in minnesota finally, so it's it's good to hear that Manhattan in two weeks. It's kind of exciting. Um, well, are you do you have time to get together? Maybe I'll send you a note That sounds pretty good. There's a there's another person That's uh related to the digikey orbit that's going to be stopping in soon But uh, maybe I'll reveal that next week after the show That yeah, that sounds good. Okay, so what I'm going to share with you guys today is I'm going to share if you want to pull up my screen I'm going to run through our innovation hub really quick that we are just about ready to launch So it's kind of a yeah, you were mentioning this before go for it Yeah, so uh, we have five different areas in here. We have our test bench You know you jump into our test bench and you can look at Different products you can view them in in 360 You can play around with it get more information and you know, of course go to the digikey website to order them I i'm going to go really quick. So I don't want to take up too much time You got plenty of time we have uh our This is our featured product area where we're going to show some of the new featured products that digikey has That are kind of new and kind of trendy kind of you know, something that the suppliers Look at this. What was this? What was this built in? This is like a We worked with a third party to uh to build this and they did such a great job This looks like our new warehouse in the back room So then here comes the the magic digikey parts that we chose some of the newest products Yeah, you pull these up and you can look at them you can view more information about all the different products And I I just did show me random ones, but you can actually go through and select products So this is gonna jump back and so is this is this a strictly web experience? I mean it also looks like you could put on like an oculus uh quest and Go it fly around in it. That's something we talked about How do we turn this into a vr a virtual reality experience? But at this point, it's Strictly a web experience. Yeah Experience it's not the metaverse. This is the digiverse. That's right. This is the digiverse So then this is just some of our our calculators and conversion tools that we have, you know You're gonna do an ohms law calculator Or you know enter in all your information and it all pops up right here Oh, maybe I should uh look at a led series resistor calculator and Yeah, you can actually this five volts into five volts, you know all the information and they'll calculate it for you So there's all of our different calculators in here, which is pretty cool And then different conversions to everyone wants to know how to convert things. So it's all right here at your fingertips Go back to the hub and this is one of my favorite areas the knowledge center Wait, there's your skateboard if you're wondering where it went There is my skateboard and there's the iron man helmet I know my camera's not showing but it's also right behind me Yeah So we have videos over here that all the did digki videos and libraries you know different how to And tech tips a bunch of different videos that digki has you can watch them right on here You know, we have uh, some of the sean himmel videos And all the different cool things that we carry the tech basics another teaching moment And then we'll uh jump over here to resource library We have four different areas. We have digki overview technologies and markets guides and handbooks And then support so you can get to our tech support or whatever might be You know, this is our innovation handbook. You can see we have the startup survival guide. You can scroll through this and Read all about startups. It's pretty cool. Yeah This is all different now like, you know, there's it's like a lot of the Stuff that we've written and videoed about is like So different now because it's like just like the part, you know parts and silicon chore is amazing Yeah, it really the the speed of change is really scary. Yeah But it's pretty cool And then the last one is the board delivery system You know this looks like an old bank teller delivery here in a second We'll pull up some a to for boards, you know, we'll pull up the circuit playground the two circuit playgrounds the clue and then Okay, no, i'm not complaining or anything But if you were to do alphabetical a to fruit would be first You're right. Maybe that is something we should do.  I don't mind me. I don't mind being the second the second It's little tubes. Yeah, it's bank teller tubes and I think they're working on this because these are usually great But you know, if you pull up the the blue fruit, you know, you can look at this in 360 Yeah, you can zoom in see if it lets me zoom in. Yep Get more information about it and then you can view the datasheet These product details. This will all link off to the digi website. I'm not going to click it or you'll I'll lose you for a second Yeah, just the way stream yard works Nice and then, you know, you can go back to the different board selections select some different boards look at more things and This is a quick overview of our hub and this is for anybody to check out We have some pretty cool things. We're also adding in the background Uh in the future that you know, I'm excited to share with you soon But just not quite yet So this you know, it really allows us to tell a lot of different stories about digi We have to offer to the customers I kind of like that because with the web it's so distracting with All your bookmarks and everything that's going on and tabs if you wanted to have an experience and Have more precious time when you're doing this This experience allows that more than When you're just of course, if you're ordering something that's different, but if you're exploring Um, the the web stop being like that Just the way everything works now. It's uh, you don't you don't get a chance to have an immersive experience Right even videos trying to find all the different videos and all the different resources digiki has to offer You know, we have so much stuff on our website. So Well on youtube if you're like starting to like if okay I'm gonna watch a solder video with digiki and then if you turn your head for a second It'll auto go to the next video and add will play and now you're in some type of Reptiles actually run the world conspiracy video, right? I kind of like yeah, I kind of like how um It's focused. Yeah, I like how this is immersive and you're like this is this is what I want to do It's almost like its own um streaming network Right digiflakes. Okay All right. Okay. Well, thank you shown. This is this world premiere. Is this the first time it's been This is the first time I've really shown it to any kind of an audience It's been mostly internal digiki getting feedback getting You know Getting all the kings worked out and we're we're very close to having this a public link where all right Well, the only bug report to send to those folks is they should offer the ties I'll work on that. Okay. All right. Thanks guys. All right. Take care guys. All right Hey scott. Hey scott. How are you doing? Doing pretty good, you know, I could use a little more sleep, but I think that's a typical new parent thing. Yeah Um, oh bummer. Why sleep when you can code? Why sleep when I can come let me split the view here Um, because you weren't seeing the top of this so what I uh have been working on is They're debug prints for sure. So be aware of that too, but I'm starting doing the basics Or the pre-work for what I consider a web workflow, which is the ability to Use an hgtp rest api to upload files download files and web sockets as well for the serial link um And the first thing that I or one of the first things I needed to do for that is to have The wi-fi when you connect the wi-fi it lasts the whole time Rather than turning off and on as code starts um So I've been working on that and one thing that I did is I was trying to figure out how to Always show you what the status of the wi-fi is. So I split my thing here just so that the um The stat the the terminal status is up here So this snake wi-fi off is coming from circuit python. So if I hit Control d to start up. I have user code But now it says no ip And then as it gets to my wi-fi it will put my uh ip address in there That's cool. All right together look like a status bar Yeah, so I was going to originally do it with like this scroll buffer thing But when I was using that today, I noticed that I couldn't actually scroll up in infinitely which I really do like to do Um, it was just like keeping me to one single page. So here I can still scroll up Um, but because I'm setting like the title I can still see kind of my status And then what what are you using to do that in curses? You said your or vt 100 codes vt 220 codes Yeah, it's it's I think a code that x term actually started Um using the operating system command. So it's like very similar to vt 100 but not quite the same Where you can give it up to a 256 character String to set the title for for the terminal, you know, it's and I mean I remember using text terminals like minicom and z-term and whatever and they would set the top bar It'll tell you your baud rate your connection status.  Um, so i'm glad we're bringing that back I know circuit python. Yeah, so I yeah, so I was uh playing around with that and it is I think it should be pretty universal But we'll need to make sure that like mu and things Work out but the idea with the status bar is that there's going to be a lot of different ways To uh, do work like change code in circuit python, right? Like we were used to be very just usb But we added ble so we have usb and ble and now we're going to add a wi-fi And then when we have usb host I want keyboards to be a thing as well So this will hopefully be kind of an extensible way to communicate to someone like Here's the status of all these different ways that you could be editing your code Yeah, also like are you in a fake sleep mode right now in bluetooth connected? There's a lot of like statusy things could be interesting. Actually if user land could also Um pop stuff in there, you know if they're like I want to see the mac address or I want to have You know the sensor status like maybe have sensor data Um, have a mini sasmark. It'd be cool. Well, that's the thing is it because it's just using this obscure escape code thing like There's no reason that the user code couldn't just print those escape codes and get the same result. Yeah, true All right. Good stuff. Yeah. So that's I I don't know if you have a ton of other people But I do have another thing I could show you. Yeah, we got two more, but why don't you go? Um, rich will be next and then we'll go to john. So go ahead and okay. Let me just show you my my non work thing. Yeah um So I gave you another screen. So so one thing I was Following along with the state level redistricting in washington state um this The redistricting process for those of you outside the us or who don't know in the us is the process of splitting up an area Into equal population chunks. Uh, so each chunk has a representative and this happens at the state level and then um now in seattle it also happens at the city level And one tool that they were uh, I was watching some of the redistricting meetings And they were like we really need a tool where somebody can just draw on the map and tell me What do you think this neighborhood is that we should keep as one? So we have uh, this site I made called map note dev Um, and so you can zoom in and you can select a polygon And just draw I'm like not a j s person Um But you can draw a polygon here And if you double click There's the polygon and it adds it to the url So if I just copy it open a new tab and paste the url I get the polygon back That's a super simple way for folks to share A note on the map, right? Like whether it's a line an area or just a point And it's all super simple because it's all just stored in the url I lost taking stuff in the url. It's handy. Yeah, it is super handy. Um It's kind of like that it reminded me of that tree map dev I think I showed on On show until a couple weeks ago where it's just like well one static page you load the file It helps you out and that's all the page does Yeah So Sharing this but also thanks for always being civic minded I know over the the years that we've been working together use You've been using your talents and skills to help things like um voting information and um This is I think a good example of being an engaged citizen Because the politicians aren't hanging out doing code. Um, that's not their job and sometimes You know citizens and politicians can use tech to come together and also maybe have more transparency And go totally. Well, yeah. Yeah, and the redistricting stuff only happens every 10 years So it is kind of like you gotta get it right. Yeah, hopefully Otherwise you're stuck for it for 10 years and yeah, especially at the state and the federal level. There's a lot of Uh, funny business. Yeah, I'm trying a lot of incentives to not Do the bright thing sometimes. Yeah, so so far the Seattle city level stuff has been pretty promising The commissioners have been pretty transparent and stuff. So it's been all right. Well, thank you so much Scott And thanks for sharing that. Thank you All right, rachel. Hello. How are you? I'm doing great I have built a lego Light diffuser for one of your matrices Oh, that's a good idea. So you put the legos on top of oh, yeah, that's a good idea If this will help with the Oh set Fun. Yeah, that's neat because it's all these little mini diffusers Exactly. Uh, I haven't been I haven't quite got the lighting right for the camera, but trust me Quite beautiful in person And uh, I guess Yes, um and if I can get for example the blue under um, there are a lot of There are a lot of uh lego parts that fluoresce and the blue leds are close enough To the uv spectrum to make them Like that's great. It's neat because it's a combination of uh, you know for the folks out there remember light bright it's a little bit like that and um I always like seeing these projects on show and tell because I know for a fact that lego watches our shows and our website and everything That's a really good idea. I can imagine them doing like a bluetooth light panel one day where you would you know, they have the sheets I go by the lego store here in new york and they have like the giant sheets that are just um, you know, you pop legos on top of it But there isn't a clear one that's you know computer controlled or phone control that you could do animations and things behind it So, um The the maker world tends to be the product development and design for some really good things that come out Uh, but you get to build it now and share it. Well, I mean I I just love to inspire more coding That's based on art and technology and not always navigation and robots, right? So Understanding an led matrix, you know, I've actually Built a whole led matrix out of just raw components stuck on the lego. So yeah Yeah, and yeah, we do um the the form of electronics that we like to do the most is uh, like art and you know technology working with people um We don't do like the battle bot stuff because that's covered done done that's done but like art art bots are Art bots are fun. We did some some things with uh cricket But a lot of it is uh the things that we like do is a lot of light art with leds Right. Yeah. I mean the minute a bot or a drone is going to do something with some kind of other context You know, it's going to map out an architectural area or something instead of just you know battling each other Yeah, it's good too. I just think navigation. Like you said, it's kind of covered and I don't yeah I don't see enough with playing around with um Uh light and color and you know led matrices. So hoping to see more of that and uh I'm working on a new version applying your um your matrix to create fireworks as the backdrop for a lego juneteenth display Oh, cool. We'll be at the brick world in chicago Well, rachel if you don't mind could you send an email with any of these if we could post it up on our blog If you remember on pt at datafruit.com and if anything you got with any of these projects, um, we could uh Put it on our blog or if you're if it's going to be an event let us know and we'll hope to get the word out You mean like videos or just pictures or just whatever pictures Or if there's a video somewhere if you put on youtube you can send links, whatever right, especially on juneteenth I mean we'll be live at the show on juneteenth and um, so be nice to do a little right on Okay, well nice to electronically meet you rachel cool project All right. Now. Do I have to do something here to disconnect? No, I'm gonna I'm gonna press a button and you're just gonna go away Yeah, that's so easy. All right. Bye rachel. Bye Okay, john How's it going? Hi, welcome back. Hey, we blogged your project. Um Last last week or so folks really liked it. Yeah, that was awesome. Thanks. What you get is you're back for more Yeah, yeah It wasn't uh stressful enough so I came back on yeah So, uh, this is a project I did a while ago. Um, it's just a garage door left open notifier um, so you can see here. It's got this, uh Um, little note mcu on here just the wi-fi chip and then there's a tilt sensor here, right? And so so you just mount this on the on your garage door And then when your garage door changed states, right? Yeah, the tilt switch changes It wakes up the the note mcu And then uh, it it sends out an email telling me that I left my garage door open after five minutes It's not like as soon as you open the garage door, but oh handy. I like the simple single use Functionality Thanks, and and so I've had this for a while But uh, one of the things that I've had a problem with is is this case If you don't mount it correctly, right? So if you mount it upside down it's always down, right and uh The the tilt switch doesn't detect the change, right? Yeah So so I I recently got a 3d printer and uh, the update I wanted to do on this was Is uh, I added an orientation arrow on here, right? There you go So uh, this slide up. Yep. So so when you mount it on here make sure your arrow's pointing up And uh, then you always mount it the correct way on your garage door So anyways It's funny with um 3d printers one of the things that um when they first kind of hit the scene we thought that the One of the ultimate Destinations for them was printing enclosures for electronics But when the 3d printers first came out everyone's like I want to put a yoda head And you know they kept going doing that over and over and over But now it seems like that's one of the things that folks really like to do is they're they're making all the different things for their other stuff to Fit in there and you're doing product almost product design from from their homes Yep, and and I'm sure I'm going to be doing a lot more 3d printing stuff So I hope you guys don't mind if I come back on. Yeah, you're everyone We're here every week no matter what if your print prints extrude right and come on by yeah, and then On wednesdays uh this week, you know and Pedro we're off, but um every wednesday You know and Pedro have 3d hangouts the the longest running live 3d printing shows to stop by there too Oh cool. Well, let's check that out. Okay, John. Well cool projects. Maybe we'll see you next week All right, thank you. See you all right Okay, that is our show until everybody. Thanks so much for joining us This is the best half an hour of the week every single week. We only get to do is show and tell Thank you so much for coming by. We'll see uh everyone next week some 30 p.m. Eastern time Where you can show and share your projects Bring some light into the world You know leds legos more and We'll see everybody on ask an engineer in just a few minutes. Bye everybody. Bye. Bye. See you in a couple