second verse same as the first see if it works this time I don't know don't know what the fuck happened it just shut down my live feed all of a sudden so we'll see we'll try it again and see if when not so joins and we might have to switch to the other account I don't know what's going on let's see hey we got the boot yeah I got the boot it was real fucking weird so if it happens again I don't know what happened and I'm just too pretty for this shit sometimes I think it's probably what's happening indeed yeah indeed so I'm gonna do a giveaway at some point tonight and we'll have to figure out how to run it but I'll probably leave that up to you because it's much easier to put it off on you to figure out how to do the giveaway to figure it out indeed yeah all right we already got a hundred and fourteen hundred sixteen something like that so whenever you want to kick it off we can I mean the funniest thing is because I have to do that because I do the shit on my phone yeah like if I sit back this far yeah I can't see any other comments you also could potentially be getting a blowjob off-camera it could happen I suppose but then they you know they did but it's so then if I want to see what people are saying then I have to make my head like take the full frame you know it is what it is on it it is what it is so yes we have blue bonnet available Uncle Brizzy it's on right seatco.com so yeah I guess we are getting we are getting up there yeah or whatever so do you know actually I I don't even know why this stuck in my head but I can't remember what it's called because it's Russian and I have terrible pronunciation yeah but they used to do these to do this gambling thing where like there's a bunch of dudes sitting around like a huge table right and there's like one chick underneath giving head to someone and you have to figure out who it is and if they can tell you're getting it you lose a bunch of money so there's all these dudes with their pants off and they have to sit there like all stoic yeah I think that's bad I'm the one under the table oh my god yeah like balls indeed it's it's a trust situation it's a trust situation yeah you know I often speaking of Russian I often refer to when you go to expel a fart and you're not sure if it's fully loaded and you're gonna have some blowback I call I refer to that as Russian roulette Russian roulette yeah I hope I know the chambers loaded I hope that I make it to old age where that's just not a worry yeah not everyone has the same worries you know I have I have that worry at this age so there's no good you get a unique collection of worries that are just yours you know they might not pertain to everyone else so you know anyway yeah we got enough people here we can start or whatever thank you everybody for joining again on Friday night we have kind of like a a little collection of stuff we were gonna talk about tonight it came up on our on our discord this week like some breeding expectations and just seeing what people commented about breeders today versus breeders yesterday or of yesteryear we figured like we could chat a bit about like even what people expected yeah like what expectations were and how expectations like have always sort of shaped what breeders do yeah even from the beginning right and then we had a comment come in that I thought was kind of interesting that like could sort of tie into that which is like people wanted us to talk about beasters oh really beasters indeed which we actually have some we actually have some good friends that could talk a lot more eloquently probably than we could on sure but what I thought was into what could be interesting is we could talk for a bit about like how it affected America yeah like how to change things here how it changed the homegrown scene here how it you know just certain aspects of it right so I don't know we we could start we could start any any which way because I guess I guess maybe two beasters would be sort of like the the first like commercialization of kind but yeah yeah right yeah because everybody else was getting it usually from some there wasn't really commercial scenes then no and and you couldn't really call Mexican brick beasters necessarily no there was a Mexican obviously that had been commercialized for a long time yeah but like there was a situation in most parts of the country even in the West Coast where there wasn't enough good kind but yeah I never even got a whiff of BC beasters ever in my life never saw them they didn't make it down all the way down to Bakersfield or San Diego so I never saw any of that stuff I mean it it permeated all over the place especially the East Coast yeah I bet you know and it had it had different effects strangely enough in different places I guess we'll start talking about this because we're already into it but like so you take beasters and somewhere like the southeast right or certain like that that might be the only non Mexican bud you could get yeah like it might have been all and like what people don't get is like in the 90s and stuff like that you know it was still super prohibited right yeah and they you know so it kept it really small there was way more demand than there was supply right and that's kind of what made everything easy to sell because you could always always sell whatever because it could sell I mean for example in a place we have here called cottonwood a type of weed was going around called nade that was old commercial not I mean but Mexican brick sprayed with raid and they call it nade and that was a thing and they could sell that and move that you know anything could be well that's some guy all upset like he's like fuck beasters we got fire here on the southeast I mean the era that we're talking about is the 90s and so there wasn't enough fire anywhere yeah like fire was hard to get and you know and people had it but and fires relative fires relative and for like part of the reason why and people if someone even asked I'm 22 what are beasters beasters literally is indoor indoor weed grown in Canada and shipped to America yeah at scale right that was in the 90s and into the into the early 2000s right and so people think people laugh at it now but the reason why it was so successful was because for most people I mean you know your access was like green Mexican brown Mexican you know or like you had a buddy who had a buddy who had a buddy who maybe every once in a while could get you a quarter of a kind but yeah and so beasters filled that void you know and now it's like you say the word beasters and people have all kinds of comments they're making right now but in the beginning none of that was no yeah right like it was like so in a lot of parts of the country it was the only it was the only kind bud regularly available right and even in California California it fucked us up right because and it in a way I actually feel like it it sort of started the purple wave in California I almost yeah I think it had a big play a big part of it so what happened is is that back then you know most indoor or most outdoor or whatever even outdoor and stuff there wasn't a tons of depths there wasn't tons of outdoor and stuff like that most people were growing were growing pounds and in the dozens of pounds not the hundreds of pounds yeah outside and then most indoors were like you know four to twelve lights or something right yeah and so you know there was an aspect where all that stuff was expensive yeah okay and so people so you know what brokers are like right yeah so you have this choice where you can come to Mendo and you can get a bunch of fireweed for like 42 yeah right or you can talk to these Canadians and you can get a bunch of beasters for 23 yeah right so what are the brokers gonna do yeah nine times out of ten pick cheap so nine times out of ten they're gonna pick cheap right and so and they're gonna make a hell of a margin you know and so what happened is is that there was a in California there was good weed to be smoked but what the brokers tried to do which is what they try to do forever is like it's no different than like can I make these depths look like ends yeah are these outs good enough to look like depths are they good enough to look like something better than they are because then I can make the profit difference between like what those sell for and what these sell for yeah so in like you know in you know a lot of parts of the country beasters was all there was so it was like fuck you take it yeah I mean if one dude was the only plug in town and he decides to take beasters over some kind bud then you're just gonna get to smoke beasters and that's that yeah or you're gonna buy Mexican yeah exactly those of your those are your issues right so but then in California they had to pass it off a lot of times as homegrown yeah because other California people were edged the West Coast and Oregon and stuff in Washington they knew enough that like they weren't gonna pay that kind of pricing for it yeah because they had other options they could find somebody that had homegrown yeah so then the middleman tried to make beasters look like homegrown sure right and it worked for a time because everybody's commenting right now and I see all of you right and now it's pretty well known that a lot of beasters were grown like too much salts they were harvested a little early they weren't cured as as nicely as they should have been they were packaged in and seal a meal airtight containers and zipped close yeah and then by the time that they got to where they were going they had suffered a quality issue yeah it wasn't as nice as it was where it began right like sometimes it could smell like hey sometimes it could smell a little a little a little weird a little off a little yeah people saying PGRs but at the time people didn't know most of that it was like you could either get Mexican or this yeah that was or like you had you had you were a lucky enough person that you grew or you knew someone close to you that grew right yeah that you could get some eighths or some quarters or a zip every two or three months and you know there's also Mexicans that would come up that were like almost like a Red Hue and that was a lot of people using the word pretend to go we didn't really use that because we didn't get the BC beasters but our pretend to go was the uncompressed Mexican that would come down you know what Chicago pretend to go was no so Chicago pretend to go was in the Midwest there's a ton of ditch weed yeah right and ditch weed is basically like leftover wild hemp from the world war two hemp for victory thing right yeah well some of that can look beautiful so sometimes entrepreneurs would go out there and and get a bunch of pounds of gorgeous looking hemp yeah dry it nice and they'd sell three hundred dollar ounces of weed that looked incredible but you couldn't get high off it and I didn't even know what CBD was back then you know yeah I had no I'd never I it just didn't I I just was shocked because my green Mexican got me higher yeah I always thought that was weird could because the uncompressed brick almost always you'd get higher off the fucking shittier high compressed brick so always so there was a weird thing so what happened what I mean and this is a roundabout way of saying it's so sorry for everybody but what I think happened in California is that you had this thing where like they were flooding the West Coast with all this indoor yeah right and so all these brokers are moving this indoor from Kent from Canada and they're taking the margin convincing people it's it's California or it's Oregon or whatever you know it's Washington it's homegrown and then eventually people started noticing the differences they started looking for the rock hard PGR buds they started looking for certain noses sometimes they started looking even for like the way it was seal a meal you know like people would get it and they would cut open all the seal meals and they would put it into turkey bags oh yeah yeah in order to like make it seem like it wasn't from where it was from you know yeah and and you know and so what happened is is that you've got all these brokers trying to pass off weed that they bought for 22 2300 bucks yeah into the force and you're trying to actually find some of that actual cap tally and homegrown yeah right and so when the irk and the Mendo P and the granddaddy and all that started selling in the bay and going for it there wasn't a bunch of Canadian weed that looked purple yeah now that now I get what you're saying yeah so you could see it right they would see it they would send up all these people to Humboldt and Mendo and now it's different spots and grab as much perp as they took yeah because it was an easier hustle for them because everyone they gave it to they knew they weren't getting bunked with some fake beasters yeah and then makes sense once that toehold took place in at least in NorCal once that toehold took place then it was just like a self-sustaining thing yeah right and all the brokers couldn't pass off beast as homegrown yeah because everybody wanted like one of these half a dozen purple strains and you could sell endless amounts of those I remember growing some of the Canadian purples and there yeah there's no way they could be passed off as indoor anything I remember that most of them had to be grown outdoor in the first place and they were just very loose purple sometimes but not very not very grand I just think it was one of those things that it just it just like made it distinctive I mean there was a time to like the with the early dispensaries and stuff like that part of the reason why the dispensaries could move endless amounts of perps was because all their customers knew that the dispensary wasn't buying cheap beast and flipping it for the high they were just buying fucking Mendo perps and flipping it because it won't get you hot well yeah I mean it's not so much that dude it's like because you know everybody's affected differently but sure the Canadian weed because it wasn't dried as nicely as we like to do it oh yeah I'm sure and then it was it was it was you know and then once you seal something up for a few weeks wet what you know it's gonna firm it yeah that's me next and then it's gonna be compressed a lightly so it like is any kind of smuggling is all about shipping it's all about volume and space right sure so you get this weed that like is like it probably if it would have stayed where it was gonna stay and got dried really nicely it probably would have been better yeah you know but then you you harvest it a little early you don't flush it you package it a little too moist you put it into an airtight thing and you scrunch it down on itself you know you know they and so that and so then there was occasionally some really nice beasters you know there was there was some really good weed that came out of there but just the over the overall flood was pretty low brow yeah the overall flood was pretty low bow but for a lot of places people think of now right where it's like the West Coast is just sending you know people joke on IG for years about how the West Coast just sends all their bunk east yeah right and it's like a running joke because of how much work that gets grown in on the West Coast of America would get sent to other parts of America yeah but in the 90s there wasn't a flood like that yeah there wasn't a flood going east at all I was just teasing about Mendo perps guys it just a lot of people always say it doesn't get them high no I mean Mendo I'm not it's it's there's very few strains that that have everything yeah Mendo person unbelievable look it has an unbelievable set of turps it breeds really well it does all this this cool stuff but because it's so old it's low THC yeah you know it is and so you know like one of our buddy you know Caleb I mean one of his better crosses of it is to the the bubble yeah you know right there's a obama cushion whatnot you know because the bubble adds frost and density and some potency and the Mendo adds color and turps and shit you know yeah and so you know and then different people like I I actually like if I smoke Mendo pee in the morning like it actually makes me creative rather than couch lock yeah that's a good though if I like wake up and drink some coffee and eat some food and I smoke some Mendo pee and I start writing down my list of shit I want to accomplish yeah like I my brain works that are pretty good level yeah I do know a sour dub in the morning and then I usually am asleep right after writing that little note of things to do I mean it's there for the future at least yeah it is there for tonight but so like for so basically like beasters to it's like we're not gonna do a whole show on it but beasters affected different parts of the country in different ways yeah right in California it really did kind of spark the purple wave because people didn't want to get stuck with beasters but in other parts of the country there wasn't that much choice like my buddies and this is what this is what's crazy is that so my friends in Chicago that stayed there obviously when I moved west okay yeah you know how for a lot of people beasters dropped the price of what they were able to get to some degree it affected price points in California right well in Chicago it made their prices go up yeah because they were like well this if this goes for four than my shit six you know yeah and they actually flipped it and they did better because of it because their homegrown was their home their super nice indoor homegrown was so much danker yeah they were like well if this is what you can get this for then ours has to be that yeah so it literally like there's stuff before beaster went for about what beaster did yeah and then when it came in it like created another grade of kind bud that their bud was obviously better smart marketing you know and so it went up but in California it hurt us yeah because it was like the first flood of cheap fucking indoor it's crazy that it didn't affect so Cal very much at all like it just didn't hit down here like that I mean it up north yeah well there's parts of it I don't even know if I should say but because there's like there is because like you know I was talking about like the just like the weed impact of it but there was obviously like some big groups involved a lot of money at stake and a lot of smoke and you know there were there's aspects to it that you know and it got really honestly the other thing that we should say is that you know in the 90s and 2000 and 2001 you know America did not spend very much energy worrying about the Canadians yeah not at all our border with the Canadians especially was super porous yeah right and there was a lot of independence there was a lot of guys like with friends on snowmobiles with you know with duffel duffel bags and there was all kinds of crazy shit going on in terms of getting stuff from Canada to here did you ever see that movie kid cannabis yeah yeah that kid was one of those dudes I've talked to one of the dudes it was involved in it before so you know I was coming over in truckloads it was coming over you know but in a lot of places you can just go to the border and meet up with an American on the other side of the border yeah it was all kinds of shit like that going on right and then the fucking Al Qaeda crashed the planes into New York and flying became a lot rougher and they started paying a lot more attention and heat sensors and all that to the board and the northern Canadian border not because they were worried about Canucks selling weed in America but mostly because they were worried about you know terrorists sneaking in through Canada so they tell you yeah but it just I mean I get it you know it's like so they tighten the shit up yeah and then a lot of the ways that and so in late 2001 a lot of the ways that people used to move it across the border whether it was snowmobiles or mountain bikes or you know just driving close and hiking it over and dropping it in the woods and having the Americans come get it you know all that yeah all of a sudden you know because we put all of our money for the most part we put the vast majority of our money into policing the southern border yeah because there was just a fuck ton of heroin and cocaine and weed and issues and you know all that and so the Canadians we just weren't too we just weren't too intense on that and so you know the the and they didn't even know that there was that much weed happening either yeah so there's an invisibility factor to something for a minute right and and so then they locked all that shit down and they made it a lot harder yeah they made it a lot harder for like independence to get it across the border so then it moved to like trucking and various aspects and smuggling and then what kind of groups does that bring in yeah of course a lot bigger than just some like independent do wanting to work or whatever then that brings in organized groups organized groups of various kinds traditional organized groups various kinds of organized groups that existed up there which is easy to go and read about if you if you so choose and then like the independence all felt squeezed yeah because they were all hiding from like these other groups that wanted to control everything right yeah and you know and then it really and the reason why that all worked was because there wasn't there wasn't enough like people people you know downgrade oak you know California or Oregon or whatever sends all their booth East but like there wasn't you know I had friends that would drive a bunch of work back east back in the day you know and like there wasn't any there was almost nobody on the road doing it yeah it was rare there wasn't that much there wasn't that much excess yeah especially in the 90s with all the helicopters and all the and how much you could get away with doing or whatever it was like we could you know California kind of served California in the West yeah and it really wasn't until 215 and a bunch of other groups got in and things started expanding on a large level that those waves just started going everywhere yeah and that ended up basically doing two things that like it it changed the margins for both the Canadians and the Mexicans yeah because that that convergence of all that weed getting sent in you know they talk about it now it's like Mexicans send like 70 80% less weed into America than they used to oh I bet yeah right and then that's fucked up for us too okay because those guys are you know they're criminals you know trying to make money yeah so then they've got to replicate that lost revenue oh yeah and all the things that they've decided to like replicate that lost revenue with are all way worse than brown weed oh yeah I know man that's the big one well math fentanyl you know kidnap all traffic like coyotes moving human trafficking like yeah I mean these a lot of those cartels they would make 60 70% of their income off of wheat yeah so then wait different now yeah so then two-thirds of that slows down that's a lot of loot yep you know it really is and then you know same thing with the Canadians the Canadians were sending a ton of that down and the Mexicans were sending a ton of it north to like the voracious appetite of America to smoke weed and then the west coast of America started supplying Americans with American wheat yeah and it's sort of like shaved off the top and the bottom and made it a lot less likely you know people are asking and this is a good one and I think it's easy what were some of the strains that were being labeled as beasters coming over the border I think that probably you know the funny part is is that I wonder how much accuracy there was between the grower the broker you know I would think that a lot would be different and but come over with similar names because I because that would be whatever's in demand you know this would actually be I don't know if our buddy is on here tonight but but a list of strain names he could probably pump out or I see Kootenay on here and people were actually commenting too about how many good strains there was in Canada there was a bunch of amazing strains in Canada it's not to disk Canada it's just that the choices that got made to be grown for commercial consumption in America wasn't necessarily the creme of the choices of Canadian weed yeah it was grown for export yeah I remember a lot of hash plant being talked about coming down in 39 the grapefruit yeah all the stuff that they're naming specifically in 39 BC big buds things that things that got them a bunch of shish keberry things that got them a bunch of weight yeah and didn't take that long you know and a lot of times to me I don't know about I don't know about if other people saw names but mine was most most of the time that we saw it it had letter grates they have like a letter grates like you know here triple a a B you know B minus they would literally have it would literally a lot of them would literally have just letters on okay now I mean of course everyone tried to claim their shit was triple or quadruple a or whatever yeah I doubt many were saying yeah I got some C shit want to try it yeah you know but sometimes I mean sometimes it wasn't good enough to like try to play the game yeah like I'm gonna give you some B you know I'll say this too this is this has nothing to do with my world but one of the reasons why they were able to fuck with us so much as far as like the price rate is that back then one American dollar got you about a dollar sixty in Canadian yeah so the exchange rate was amazing yeah you know I'm saying so imagine you could sell your weed and you know and and for every you know free for in it's like they got such an exchange rate right yeah I mean you sell your weed for you know I mean it so so they were flipping it and for us it seemed low but for them they were getting a killer price sure you know because and that's and that's and that's the way it worked and it came you know and so it took a while but eventually just like when I lived in when I lived in Chicago I never even heard the word tweaker you never heard the word tweak never heard the word tweaker there wasn't tweak in my high school it didn't exist it did not it did not now eventually it it fucking it permeated it was all over the Midwest but I straight up tell you in the early 90s when I was in high school like it didn't exist so if someone would have said tweaker to me then right yeah it wouldn't have meant much now it has like an enormous amount of meaning because you just know so much right so you talk about what I what I mean by that is you talk about beasters today and it has an enormous amount of meaning to people yeah but you have to realize when beasters first started hitting America we didn't have all this preloaded knowledge about what it was like yeah it was just not weed that wasn't Mexican yeah right you know and yeah there was a dude didn't come to the first week I ever saw in Chicago it was Ravers from San Francisco who brought it yeah it was on the West Coast but in the mid in the early and mid 90s it was not in the Midwest yeah everyone pardon me for getting fucked up before the show the last few weeks have been past my move shit so I'm not not too terribly brilliant or quick with it my apologies so he's like fuck you look high for once the people said people are still asking what's what's a beaster beaster is Canadian indoor yeah grown for America and usually it's it's usually it's harvested a little too soon it's not flushed or dried the right way and then they put it into airtight seal and meal bags lightly lightly to somewhat compressed and figured out how to get it into America because there was such a demand for weed yeah they could sell endless amounts of it yeah and so there was a huge I mean the New England was flooded with it New York was flooded with it you know the upper Midwest you know the West Coast and all that and then you know it depended like it got basically knocked off in in the West Coast reasonably fast because of 9-11 and then because of the burgeoning 215 movement right but it persisted for years in other parts of the country I'm sure it didn't it sure it is it still persist now do you think I don't know yeah I don't know either I don't know I mean you know it I couldn't tell you I mean I bet I bet it does I bet there's markets for it maybe somewhere I can't say you know who knows could be it could go it could go all places in this it could be gone I don't know yeah I mean it's gone in California I don't see brickweed as much anymore in California rarely if ever and it was that was like all that was here during my teenagers I mean I live in Mendoz and I'm not fucking 15 so I don't you know I don't I haven't seen brickweed in forever yeah yeah no it went like even the past maybe ten years it's still 99% of what you'd see people smoking a paper still blunts and blunts and blunts a fucking brick yeah so people are talking Cali Outdoors the new beast there's in California and stuff and you know and like there's I live in California right and there's a lot of weed that sucks yeah you know there's never there's never been an era where everyone just grew the fucking white hot fire and that's all there was yeah I know I mean how many people really grow out of everybody that's in this chat how many people really grow like the banging you know I mean realistically if you compare it all it's not all gonna be the same level and then you know on top of that it's it's like sometimes that shitty weed is still the best that you can get like so the what it sucks is that the places with the least choice probably get stuck with the shittiest weed the longest yeah because it gets dislodged in places with choice you know and you know and so you know and there's an aspect too where it's like there's there's probably a story there we've been talking about it for a while actually but there's probably a story there of how like of where America gets its weed yeah and how that's shifted because in the because there was an era there for a long time where you know all of a sudden a lot of people were getting weed and you can you can laugh at Cali weed but like there was a lot of people getting reasonably good quality weed from from out here that was grown with a reasonable amount of love too yeah you know and now there's an aspect to where people are complaining about where things have gone legal and the black market is just exploded between the Asians and the Eastern Europeans and the cartels and all that and Southern Oregon and the deserts out by you yeah you know and and all that and like now there's a shit ton of weed being grown by people that don't care at all and people know we might have a resurgence too because of all these people buying fucking skunk one seeds we might have a whole fucking beast of resurgence can't like and so you know there's there's an aspect to where it's like a lot of the best California weed is getting cut off you know people think you know because that's another aspect right where it's all the it's all the brokers and the people that make it go from here to there yeah they choose what what goes from here to there yeah and they're looking at it from their perspective of what's profitable sure and just like with the beasters if they can send some some shittier stuff that way that they had a much bigger margin on and that and that that run makes them a lot more money that's probably what they'll do you know so it's like everyone you can all all y'all on southeast or east or wherever you are that like is bitching about California weed it's probably your fucking broker the person that brought it there yeah they chose there was fire weed that they probably tried to tried to fucking you know tried to low ball or turned down because it didn't make them as much of a margin sure right and then everything's margins you know and so you know if you knew somebody that like their their whole gig was quality and and fire and that's what they wanted to work with fine yeah if you knew people that were like well they're not gonna have much choice in this part so we're just gonna shift them with this then you're probably fucked yeah you know then you're probably fucked and you know and so I'm sure you know there's I'm sure there's still beast you know even if it's greatly reduced you know I mean right now it you know most people were getting a lot of weed from Mendo and Humboldt and Trinity and a lot of smaller scenes that would all get aggregated together yeah and now all that all that is the Asians and the Bulgarians and the and the freaking and the cartels and all that growing massive plots yeah and you know why would a broker go and you know and and so you're getting shit of your weed yeah you're getting shit of your weed you know lots people in California have the fire that doesn't mean that like every person in the chain between you and California is gonna ensure that that fire makes it to you most of it's in one second most of it's in the bathroom right there so people are yeah and you know people are people Delta 8 is the new beast you know how many things when when hemp became legal people started growing hemp and then spraying it with distillate oh lord yeah you know and literally and then and then moving that somewhere right if there's a if there's a arbitrage opportunity where people can make a big-ass fucking margin yeah by buying something shittier and passing it off is something way better they're going to and they're gonna do that with hash there was a whole thing hash isn't my thing but you know how much you know you guys know how much like CRC cheap extracted hash got passed off as something nicer you know it's always been that way the most common way in Mendo was I mentioned it before but these depths are so beautiful I can sell them as indoor and I'll get a better price point yeah this outdoor is so fire it looks like it like it's a it's a well-preserved depth and I can get you more money I think that's why Lumpo liked the West Coast dog because he could sell it off his indoor for sure I mean people people are and then and then there's everyone and then even if you're honorable all it takes is one non honorable person in the chain yeah it doesn't take much it doesn't take much you know and so yeah people are talking the old OG is around a bunch there's tons of people that have nice OGs yeah it's just a matter of is it getting grown in bulk to come to wherever you are probably not is it getting grown with the same recipe they were using back then probably not probably not you know and you know and so there's an aspect where yeah hemp sprayed with distillate there's any time there's a way where they can find some cheap-ass shit and convince you that it's nicer shit there's someone in the middle that's making a bunch of money off that so we go up there and they would fucking buy you know $200 you know hemp pounds in Oregon and then they would take a paint sprayer and they would spray it with distillate so it would get you high and then they'd sell it as real outdoor one way to do it I mean that's kind of that's kind of someone just said Athena OG there is a bunch of I don't know what the fuck is going on but there's a bunch of legal scenes and there's a bunch of their followers and stuff like that that have decided that the cheapest salts on earth are like automated delivery is the way to grow weed and their weed isn't as nice yeah you know their weed isn't as nice and so you know there's there's going to be all kinds of that with hash there's going to be all kinds of that with weed and you know it it because if there's a if there's an education difference I mean you know how many times I used to hear up here people would look at something and they would be like oh this is fire but can they break down some of these bigger buds a little bit more why right huh why because indoor doesn't have big buds oh I guess that makes and they're trying to pass it off so it's like I don't need anything like this bro you need to make it yeah you know because they're in their mind they're gonna they're gonna they're gonna pass it off as some bull as some bullshit yeah they're gonna say they're you know and they don't and they don't want the customer to be like oh these look like sunground nuts yeah because then they just shaved off X off their percentage they were planning to make you so you know people California and the West Coast can get a bad rap and there's plenty of bad weed here but it's also like you know it's it's it's also a bunch of choices in between yeah you know and I think I don't know I think Athena is just like fucking lux lighting I think Athena is probably owned by Jungle Boys and they sure and they and they promote the shit out of it saying that they've tested it against all kinds of different other other nutrients and it's come out the best and they grow the fire and then they build up a bunch of sales for Athena and it's cheap and then they're gonna offer and they're gonna off the company and make a shit ton of money possible yeah when if you want to use something like Athena you can go buy some real cheap salts that doesn't have the Athena makeup it's probably the exact same thing just in a different bag that's how a lot of nutrient companies are done I mean you know there's one supplier and they ask for certain mixes and ranges but it's all based out of the same shit you know that happens a lot yeah you know it happens a lot you know and so there's there's an aspect where it's like I don't diss on all salts there's salts I like quite a bit actually for the application I'm a garden sucker and canna but I like canna I like canna I like cutting edge I shout out to my buddy John you know there's there's good salts out there used properly that'll do fine for you you know there's even even stuff like jacks the main issue with some of the cheaper stuff is now they do a bunch of testing a lot of it has high heavy metal content or other additives that aren't the jam yeah you know I like I like the empty someone's asking for like a good dry salt I like the NPK brand where you can buy each individual element separately so you can run it exactly as you want I like that a lot if someone's gonna use something old and basic I would I would almost just say use jacks jacks three two one you know it's like a classic you know isn't that in the OG recipe jacks is that might be yeah and you know I said cutting edge you know full disclosure like my buddy John owns cutting edge he started it in 01 he's been a grower he was grower up here from the 70s on and so hum and Mendo he knows he it's like one of the first nutrients formulated for growers by an old grower yeah and he's real he's real smart he's a real nice guy and it's supporting one of us you know and I people ask me how do I feel about the new line I use the new line they're louder powder they call it I use that on like a big farm down south for a year and a half before I left so you know but there's an aspect there where it's like they you know beasters was sort of our first beasters was sort of like the first commercial weed that came to America that wasn't Mexican that was in the first indoor commercial yeah right because Americans weren't really able to pull off hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of lights like the way the BC crews were doing at the time and the Canadian crews were doing you know so it's kind of like bees to me like some of that stuff isn't that different than like a lot of these like big rock wall farms you see right now in fucking legal scenes it's almost like we've come full circle yeah it's just dried nicer you know but it's still that cardboard weed yeah you know and all that you know so people talk about cutting edge talking I mean nutrients it's own whole thing or whatever but there's you know and nutrients pretty misunderstood but you know there's an aspect where you know you could get people that are trying to grow the best weed they can and trying to get a really nice number for it or you can get people that are just in a in a larger group that are just trying to grow the cheapest weed they can and still get the best price they can get it yeah you know and so you know there's you know there's an aspect where it's like I don't know I almost think that probably all that stuff that they like people dis on California for going east was probably better than their alternatives I would think so I would better than it was better than be it was probably better grown than beaster and it was certainly nicer than Mexican yeah you know and it got so successful that people diss it now but why did it get that successful because it was better you know there was plenty of famous cuts or varieties that were content there were during the beaster era like I was saying before kind of covered it kind of covered it northern lights mighty might great fruit donkey donkey anything that was anything that was big you know anything 39 was just is probably the most associated with it I'd have to say yeah you know and there's an aspect there's a guy a dude I know from Mendo saying I organic sungrown you know there's an aspect of like what's the best right but obviously what people are facing in the in the market right now is that you know a lot of times they're not rewarded for the best yeah island sweet skunk is fired the silver pearl is fired to freeze land I don't know if I'd call that fire that was a little bit mid-Z at least as far as the stuff that I saw yeah but but yeah you know there's a there's a part of it where see now it's like I start reading the comments and I just like lose track of whatever the fuck I was talking about so I apologize everyone fucking up I started reading what people are talking about and then and then all of a sudden I'm like what the hell was I even just just discussing but you know it um they were asking you to do a when you call those where when someone dies I'm for I'm a chief I think they wanted you to be eulogy you want to eulogy I mean you know Jaime was a Jaime was an interesting cat you know I I'll say that you know the old timers like him the guys in their 60s in their 70s a lot of times the stories they tell they don't come with a lot of like corroboration from others so it's like how much do you how much do you take it face value and not just him Neville Sam you know Sam skunk man Mel you can name tons of different folks right and you know and and and so you know he he was obviously a collector and you know he the last five or ten years or so probably he started he started spreading his seeds out to lots of different people you would say right he wanted a lot of different people to try his yes yes you know and he was pretty free with sharing seeds with people or sending them things you know I would say so there's and that's good in the sense that if you want to keep his work alive a lot of people have it it'll be interesting to see if you know I'm sure it's already happening who starts to exploit the fact that he's gone yeah you know but you know he I mean you know he claimed to have RKS he was the original DJ short according to he claimed that you know he had a massive role in blueberry yeah and that yeah and that he was the real DJ short you know he was the guy that was actually responsible for creating blueberry yeah type and he said his they called him DJ short literally literally DJ short yeah and so you know yeah he he was an interesting character because obviously you know he had a lot of claims it's you know it seemed like he was he was doing this thing up there you know in Alaska and spreading his seeds out and they all came with some wild stories and rest in peace buddy yeah I don't know I just yeah I mean I'm glad he liked seeds I glad he liked weed we all share that in common rest in peace and you know it's it wouldn't be the you know like I mean what do you even supposed to say about comments like that obviously we know the blueberry story to be what it is yeah you know and I would be like somebody coming out and saying fuck this Sam skunk man guy he stole my skunk and hayseeds and fled to Europe and I went to prison and everything that comes out of his mouth is bullshit he used to work for me yeah but you've got like this massive amount of history of assumption yes which is that DJ did it so trying to trying to shift all that is a major that's a big shift that's a big shift it is a big shift that's a big but he wasn't quiet about it no you know just said it like matter-of-fact so it's like how the how am I supposed to know yeah but then there's also this thing too where I think blueberry is a common enough name you know that DJ short isn't I mean DJ short is not a common enough name and especially when you combine it with blueberry it kind of means that one of them is not telling the truth and it's just up to you guys to figure out who you believe yeah I mean he was I mean it's like I don't know if he's I haven't listened to the to the interview he just did so I don't know if you I don't know if he went into that I don't know if you went into depth on it or anything like that you know but I mean people are talking about pre DJ short blueberry there's blueberry out there that people talk about 79 blueberry that people are growing you know so who knows but you know it one thing I'll always say about breeders is you know is I always give the advice of grow what you like make things that you like you know and then at the very least you know like it you like it yeah you know which is the core thing so Jaime did a bunch of work that he liked and had a lot of big stories about it and started spreading them all out yeah you know I've never I've never grown any of his seeds to be perfectly honest oh yumble so he's the yumble guy too that's fucking sick dude he went with a reputation leave behind God bless I mean yumble was yumble was one of the nicest things that Adam Dunn's when he started th seeds had was it was a Sega Mathis train I believe and Sega Mathis train yeah and it and it was supposed to be a seed representation of an old clone called humble maybe maybe Adam had a maybe Adam had a I mean those guys were all tied together yeah exactly he might have used it maybe they had a different version or who knows who knows what who knows what the the thing so you know I'm not I'm not trying to you know it's sad that he passed motorcycles are dangerous yeah you know there's no there's nothing protect there's no nothing protecting you right yeah so you could be an amazing biker and someone else could do something dumb and you're fucked yeah you know it's fucking dangerous and so but it you know it's it's you know he had a you know he's given some interviews and he spread out a bunch of his seeds and stuff like that for Neville one of the yeah like I didn't want to get it all he said he was a backup for Neville he worked under Neville he was the real DJ short he had real RKS that's a lot of big claims yeah it is a lot of big claims you know I always go back to like when people pass we tend to sanctify them which you know means declare them some sainthood you forget about all the other stuff I have a really bad personality where I keep the same energy that I had when they were alive so I'd just say I wish that I wish the guy in his family the best it's not fun to lose anyone and I know I have a lot of friends in the community and I hope they all you know pull together and and and find a way through it yeah and you know hopefully people find things that they like amongst his beans yeah for sure and if you do keep them alive keep them going you know and and and and figure and figure all that out you know I'm gonna have the same issue too like you know with telling certain stories you know it's always hard with weed because there are certain people that don't really want to be mentioned yeah and don't want their stories told all that much yeah and and but then maybe they played an important role in history yeah there's one person just for people asking there's one person that we know for sure in the US that worked directly with Neville at any level and it was at a very small level and that was Clyde Stevens so anybody else making that claim it cannot be corroborated at all or even a little bit yeah Clyde and Clyde was Neville's photographer yep and it's it's verified that Clyde Neville went to Afghanistan together and also an Operation Green Merchant they were both kind of a part of it so they were both kind of a part of it yeah there's a bunch of pictures there's a lot of he was a photographer so there's a lot of photographic evidence of all that you know yeah but you know what's what Matt and I always laugh about whenever we hear whether it's from Hawaii or Alaska or wherever that of course you would pick someone to back up your stuff that lives on another continent in a country where the DEA is trying to put you away for life in prison for decades on end yeah that is the most convenient place that you would try to back up all of your stuff and do and do phenol hunting and testing and conversations and be involved you know yep rather than somebody down the street in Holland or somebody in in the Netherlands somewhere or Europeans in general you know but then it was to say I mean so there's aspects where there's certain stories that Matt and I know are provably false yeah and then there's ones that like they have some parts where you really wonder could they be you know if they're true or not but you don't have any proof one way or the other it's just the story yeah and in the interview I mean we can kind of bring this up now so we posted an interview on Patreon for our Patreon subscribers there was an interview with a man in Kevin Bjornsson and he was a major part of the Northern Lights crew he was a part of Operation Green Merchant I don't know if the story really is that he was Green Merchant per se but I know he believes that story very deeply that he is the reason for the season on it but we did post it and I wanted to get some feedback from you guys and tell me from the people who listen what you guys thought about it and I know one of the questions right now was was he the Green Merchant and I do know according to him that he did write down some license plate numbers from people he says they weren't real but that was a part of the Operation Green Merchant bust so what the the basic story of Green Merchant so people that don't know is in 1989 a gross store got busted for being tied into weed and when they raided it supposedly they found a series of Neville's catalogs with written out orders and money and names and whatnot yeah and then they realized okay that Neville was selling millions of dollars in seed to all these people all over America right and they freaked out okay because they had no idea this was going on and supposedly even more so than that and this is that Neville actually did this thing where he sent guys with suit cases full of weeds full of seeds to America and supposedly most of the seeds that he did were mailed from America the money went to the money went to Holland yeah I mean allegedly like allegedly and then I mean he's dead what are you gonna do he's dead now but no he's not Neville yeah Neville yeah and you know Neville had there was some Neville was mailing seeds from within the US with a compatriot and then getting the money in Holland and no one had any idea he was doing this because he was the first seed bank so nobody really realized that there was anything going on and when Green Merchant when they realized that people in gross stores were like buying and selling seeds yeah and some of these stores were like buying a bunch of seeds and then selling them to their customers with the lights they did this thing called Operation Green Merchant where they raided every single hydroponic store in the country yeah all at once all at once boom same day same time everything same day same time nationwide nationwide raid and the gentleman that we did the interview with you know he was part of that he owned a gross store he was tied into the whole Northern Lights Pacific Northwest crew and had one of the only gross stores in that area one of the first so he was one of the biggest targets at the time and so that is sort of the the the domino that when when Matt interviewed Greg all the Northern Lights crew got busted yeah like it was rolling bus they got customer lists they got all kinds of things different people snitched different people ratted on each other somebody at 1989 yeah 1989 Operation Green Merchant happened every single hydroponic store in the country it was raided same day same time and then they took a bunch of evidence that they got from that and they took a bunch of people that's what Matt was saying was that they after they raided him they made Bajornsen write down a bunch of license plate numbers and it's debatable on whether he gave them real ones or not he claims that he wrote down fake ones that were not related to the gross store but they that was when people used to get scared like when I first started growing we would always go to the gross store in a vehicle that a friend that lived a clean life yeah and I would pay them because we were always worried about our license plate getting written down or a picture of the vehicle getting taken with the license plate you know because this had just happened and they used to you know and because weed was totally illegal everywhere yeah and that's what got that's what got Neville thrown into prison for a year yeah and he was fighting extradition to the United States and that's when he lost his his seed company because he had to sell it to the drunkers for them to pay for him to get out of jail and get back to Holland yeah and you know and you know we thought about for a long time we didn't we did that interview quite a long time ago and we decided not to release it mostly because our our general theme here has sort of been like history and weed education and weed people bullshitting yeah and most people don't know but I was a I tried to be an active participant in that interview I just couldn't get a word in the first time he's ever been quiet for yeah and then I think Matt got a couple of words in a few sentences here and there yeah but it was basically like a mass monologue from the dude yeah and while he has an immense amount of weed knowledge in his head and an immense amount of stories he could tell from that time frame he was much more interested in telling stories of his wild youth and politics I think he thought the interview was more about his life as opposed to what we talk about yeah we were hoping to sort of get a weed centric one thing that we did get was that he did say didn't he say that the old G 13 and the UW was sort of what was one in the same yeah and I got a few times in a few other places so when I heard that I was like wait what what what yeah no I mean he he I mean he was and the the reason why we interviewed him was because Greg Seattle Greg of NLNL fame was like this guy was there he was around he was connected to all of us he's the one that you need to talk to he's the one that's gonna tell you everything he's the one that you need to know he has so much stuffed up in that head yeah and then you know it was about 45 seconds of actual weed info and then a bunch of you know crazy politics and hookers and and this and that but there was some interesting green merchant stuff yeah the green merchant stuff like that was interesting because he was really wrapped up in that he was one of the store owners that was raided by the Feds and he basically admitted that he had to cooperate with them to not go to prison for a long time yes but that he tried to fake all the information they got so no one else got in trouble yeah you know and you know so people are like who knows dude yeah right but yeah but you know UW being G 13 and adding to that story and like you know he set up tons of growers he grew a bunch of different strains back then and he probably could have chatted for an hour and a half about just that yeah but that really wasn't what interested him so he just started rapidly was a very politically charged time to is like I think it's right before the election so it yeah yeah it was probably fresh in his mind and he's always yet he's older dead in a retirement home I think or something like that and so just to be able to talk to people you know there was a lot there was a lot of stories yeah you know there was a lot of stories and so we didn't release it for a long time because it was pretty light on week yeah you know it was it was certainly colorful sure yeah that was as funny as hell it was certainly colorful I mean there was an aspect to people like where he said he he tested positive for cocaine yeah to his probation officer but it was only because he was eating out a hooker and he something like I mean he had some pretty it was it was it was yeah it was he had some pretty crazy stories you know yeah and you know and so but that's what that what that is is that's a really good indication of a lot of these old old-time guys that you want to talk to you want them to just like dish out an immense amount of lineage and specific history yeah and a lot of them it's really hard to get out of that yeah for sure they don't it's it's not it's it's either don't remember or they didn't write it down or you know DJ Short was like that yeah Greg was certainly like that when you start asking a bunch of specifics about the various nl numbers that was hard if you go back and listen to that that first interview with Greg it was me and my friend Kansa at the time doing the interview and he was not so much as interested in talking about the past more talking about the future and I think that that's a lot you know I mean that's that's how a lot are you know it's like you don't want to dis who they are now yeah but what you're really after is like you know you're lucky if you play any kind of cool moment in history once yeah much less repeatedly you know so you talk to some of these guys and it's like they you know like you know the amount of knowledge and and information that Ben and Alan Tronkers have oh I'm sure but they're terrible and everyone's told me you can't get jack shit out of them and they just toe the line that their business is the exact same it's that like they don't they won't tell it just doesn't matter I think I think also like just because they were there it doesn't mean that they paid any attention at all to what was going on or cared enough to memorize anything their business dudes you know yeah they just they it just wasn't it wasn't what they were into you know I mean you would think that like you know that steep that that's Greg would remember a bunch of stuff but he was basically just like all the one and the two you know he knew a couple things yeah and then he was like the rest was just a wild orgy of sativas and different things we were trying and da da da da notes got you in trouble so yeah you know and NL nine never made it out like that just for people to know that's just never happened yeah and L nine got popular I will say that NL nine was a legend and Neville sold it for like maybe one year as a hybrid to some other shit like maybe NL nine by skunk one or something yeah and then it disappeared and nobody saw it for 10 or 15 years and but what I'm referring to is the NL nine from Greg that wasn't right it was passed yeah no and then and then all of a sudden the name NL nine started showing up in Canadian Seedbacks sure yeah after like not not being around for a long time yeah it was one of those ones that like repopped yeah you know and yeah and so you know there's there's parts of that where it's like people you know Jaime Kevin some of these old guys they're they're like that they're you know weed people are kooky and a lot of times we and a lot of times we are quirky and a lot of times we get quirkier as we age I'm pretty fucking quirky myself so I can't throw any shit yeah you know you're not even you're not even all that old yet you know until you're fucking cranky and and 70 or something like that you know yeah I know and uh yeah I am oh skunk too is interesting somebody said my buddy had some skunk too from an old heads but he killed them all yeah skunk too was I've been waiting for someone to pop up and say they have skunk too yeah you know it's it's it's one of the I did hear there was there was someone that I won't mention that that said they used to get it in the 90s in Arizona oh really you know it did exist you know yeah it did it did exist you know and it was it was a little it was taken in a little different direction than skunk one but it just I don't know it seemed like that's another one of those skunk six in Leadville somebody talked about that that is a totally different thing that's a specific cut yeah right and that cut and the MS and the original mss that my buddy got back east and brought west is the exact same cut yes I believe it's lost and and as best we know it was supposed to be what a super skunk hybrid of some sort yeah I mean what we we chatted with the guy who made it skunk VA's mentor or whatever to and he was a little light on details like a lot of these old guys he's kind of a you know a rainbow cat or whatever but he talked about he got skunks from Neville and from super city the seed club for two or three years yeah and bred them together and called it his skunky skunk yeah right and then he took that and he crossed it to super skunk when super skunk first came out and then that the skunk six or the super skunk that that went to chem dog and math and mass from my buddy who brought it west that's all the same phenol of that dude's work yes you know and then you know and then there's a whole story behind that guy had to go on the run for some grateful dead related shit for a long time and it seemed like a bunch of people in Colorado called it the skunk six and our little crew in California just referred to it as super skunk yes both appear to be gone yes maybe you know I mean me I mean there's there's there's a lot of rumor what it seems like what happened is that there's some later stuff that's way more Afghan that's called MSS that floats around Massachusetts and that was pictured in the high times later on it's very different looking than the original one it's squatter more Afghan thicker all that and and so there's a lot of people I think that have it but don't have the first one yeah I know there was a selection blaze it panda did from a was it was sourdough across to reverse diesel that I had done and he selected a phenol from it that was dead on identical looking to the the mass super skunk shown in the high times Kim dog issue and that that has made the rounds as mass super itself and we've tried to tell people that's not it but it don't matter I mean there's an aspect to where it's like eventually because it's just a legend to almost everyone right because the percentage of people out there that actually legitimately grew the cut is quite small actually right so anything that has those turps or anything that could be plausibly claimed we've already seen five or six years of claims made without any proof yeah that people don't find anything right yeah there's a whole era there where there's there's there's companies that put skunk on their logo real big on their logo and they don't have any skunk you know there's people that have ancient skunk and old skunk and my skunk is the rare skunk that before the skunk got taken out of the skunk and I don't have any weed of it but this is the skunky skunk or oh I got this real mss I'm gonna cross it do a bunch of stuff now we're gonna sell all these seeds you'll find the skunk in there for sure yeah and you know and it's like that that you know but I mean anybody that came up with anything smelling skunky would be like that's kind of the goal that's what people are missing I don't I don't think it's so much the actual cut I think it's the lost turf yeah for the most part there's might be some bragging rights to the old cut or whatever but it's it's basically more likes like skunk doesn't smell like skunk and the closest thing we have is real diesel the most most often when I see people pop up and say man that shit smells skunky is after someone has burned and exhaled a bold really loud weed of any type of smell I see a lot of people pop up and saying that smells skunky after that I kind of feel like certain old Sours you get that weird nose crinkle sure and it's not a pure super skunk nose but it's kind of on that same path yeah you know it's like an analog of it or something like that it's a derivative no you know it's a yeah it is it's a feel and it's and they're and they're volatile too you know so so there's hints out there of it and stuff like that but I got it I just got totally distracted by homie's comment you know but we have talked about Neville talked about like crossing some of his or Shanti's old work together that had skunk in it and trying to see if you'd get recessives to pop up yeah and I think that's probably the way to get skunk is to get cuts of things that you think have skunk in it and throw them on one another and hopefully you know you get some recessives that pop out because that's probably what happened with our homie's cut the sour dub by the reverse diesel yeah and it cry baby seen it I've seen it if you cross two of two different phenos of or expressions of super skunk that are like if you cross the lanky longer flowering sour type with one of the short stocky more mass super mass super v2 I should say types then usually you're gonna get something in there that's popping up that's pretty skunk your candy push skunkie it does seem like using out crosses to find it is a better way than s1 yeah you know yeah like it's got both of it in there and then you're just hoping for that thing to combine yeah you know because it should combine it's just a matter of it's just a matter of doing a large enough populations sure you know and you could do a thing if you could do traditional breeding you could do something where you got large enough populations where you could probably make make the the quantity of skunk go up yeah yeah sure it's really hard to do on a garage size scene yeah very you know I agree with homie four ways dotted the old school four ways dotted it's a shadow of its former self yeah there's some liars out there that think they're KNF and their various organic treatments heal things yeah and while there's no doubt that you can make a plant happier or unhappier based on your treatment of it that doesn't mean it's gonna cure it of AIDS yeah yeah people asked I I do think it could pop up in the LA Kush by Kim D and I do think that a lot of people a lot of people are finding potency in it but I would not be surprised I wouldn't be surprised because the the LA is very diesel type and I do believe they're super skunk and Kim D although that's controversial yeah you know but I also think crossing different sours to each other D by sour headbands at least the diesel headbands you know yeah we don't know if someone's asking we don't know if if if TC works there's some evidence that it does but there's also some there's all I mean it's it's I don't know if there's a lot of there's a lot of rumor that floats around yeah and it gets mixed with fact a lot yes there is you know so it's not that easy to figure I don't even know that we know the definitive answer to all this stuff it probably needs more testing yeah you know trying to find something to give away so start thinking of how we're gonna give this away or a good competition or something I've got to find something worth giving away though that sounds like something we probably could have done off off camera but we'll bring it I suppose now off camera is no fun come on now and then tissue culture just so people know tissue culture is just a method of doing something it doesn't cure jack shit tissue culture you can you can tissue culture and all you're doing is cultivating a bunch of small plantlets yeah right the tissue culture that people are talking about so that actually might clean things up or like remove say like you know remnants of various chemicals that you don't want is actually called Maristem tissue culture and it's where you take cells from the Maristem and you regrow the whole plant and it it it took you know it can take up to a year to get that back and the hormones are all nuts and out of whack for a while too and we're not even sure that it's the exact same plant so there's a lot of aspects to Maristem culture that are and it's expensive too it's like four to six thousand bucks per plant super expensive and barely anybody can do it correctly but a lot of people will tell you they can so there's people like there's people like Darkheart that spread the dud all over the place that then offer tissue culture and heat treatment that they claim kills the dud then you hear from other other nurseries and friends that you trust that it doesn't really kill the dud on a perfect level but they're gonna charge you for it you know so there's a you know there's a lot of there's a lot of issues with it on that level and you know the disease is getting very prevalent and there's a lot of old strains that suffer from it there's even rumor that I don't know that's proven that a certain percentage of seeds made from dudded stuff the virus carries into the children into the beans yeah and I don't think that's proven I've heard as high as 50% and as low as two or three percent yeah and I've heard various friends of mine including CSI and others tell me that they've grown out testers and everything looked fine yeah so I think it's really hard to say you know I mean you could you could still have a virus inside of you that wouldn't have a physically visible level that's very true you know yeah so you know so TC is thrown around pretty loosely the only TC that cleans anything up to my knowledge is Maristem that's how I understand it you know and Maristem basically like get mostly what it does really well is it will clean your plant up if it was if emicloroplid or avid or bunch of funk was used on it because those cells are taken from the Maristem not from the vascular system yeah and so it's sort of like avoids the area of the plant that's contaminated and you can grow it back but you know the the dudding or the you know the the you know the virus the viroid or whatever it basically spread everywhere because when everyone started getting clones from dispensaries and everyone started getting clones from certain nurseries and nurseries sort of became a clearing house for a bunch of plants they spread it to thousands and thousands and thousands of dollars of gardens I mean yeah you know and then once that happened those gardens started spreading it to their friends you know and a lot of times you know back in the day you'd use a razor taking clones until it got dull yeah you know and now you need to per plant you need to take a lot of different you need to take a lot of different things into account and and that that one viroid that causes dudding isn't the only dudding issue there's other diseases you know TMV is the most famous one that that everything anything wrong with weed for a long time people would be like oh you got the TMV oh yeah for sure and people used to think that like the the mosaic or the variegation that used to happen in chem strains and other Afghans was a sure sign of of TMV yeah you know but I will say that if you talk to tobacco people right they do treat TMV extremely seriously and they do they don't allow harvest there you know people doing transplanting and working on their stuff you can't have a smoker in the home yeah and you have to take off all your clothes and get and go through a process to get in there so it does spread and you can definitely get it on your hands from smoking cigarettes and you can pass it you know but but there's there's pithium and fusarium that are there's molds there's viruses there's pyroids there's diseases and they mostly were were minimal in the illegal 215 era sure and now they're all over the place you know so you know yeah I mean yeah someone just said TMV can wipe out a whole tobacco crop they do they take a bunch of precautions even by touch yeah you know and someone said that you know someone said that Russards don't dud a plant out dudding is what what we call Russards can I suppose let's lose you oh did he freeze there he is my back came back yep there I am did I freeze yep I froze yeah I don't know what the hell happened but anyway there's there's a lot of there's a lot of there's a lot of stuff out there that people didn't have to worry about before and as things have gotten commercialized and as things have gotten spread around you know it's become well it's become a way bigger issue and it would be easier if it would be easier if it didn't transfer to see not so frozen my back now can everyone hear me in real time yeah you're back I think I can hear you you think I can hear you in real time yeah bad russet infestation can look like a viroid you know and there's and there's rumors too that drips and other and other insects can spread viroids or spread diseases like mosquitoes can spread you know malaria and shit like that yeah so there's a lot of risks out there there's a lot of risk out there that didn't do before in the 90s I didn't worry about anything I'd never seen PM an occasional bug every now and again no viruses no diseases no worries but we've had friends that have taken out their whole garden yeah lost irreplaceable and lost irreplaceable shit you know so Matt's over here in real time going through a seed collection and grunting to himself and all that so really given it is full attention right now yeah that's some shit I didn't remember I had some old Afghanis and shit but it's interesting people talking about condoms or STDs and stuff like that like you know it's it's odd they're obviously plants so they're not human beings but there is some correlation between the various things that got spread around and the HIV AIDS crisis yeah and that there was something spreading that was harming and people didn't know what it was and they didn't know what to test for it and they didn't know how to take precautions about it and so it's spread like wildfire you know yeah leaf hoppers normally they they they pass this curly top beat virus thing so there's a bunch of there's a bunch of diseases and some of them probably existed for a while and like people just weren't getting the proper testing because why was you help why would you do that yeah you know because you're all you're in the in the shadows or whatever and you know and you know they oh man I just got totally distracted by somebody's comment I'm not gonna repeat it but but they uh but yeah they you know and and most of the time when people were trading cuttings or or you know or or selling their friends cuttings it was all within little circles yeah you know and it wasn't until the 215 era and these big centralized nurseries that things started getting spread all over you know and then once it reaches a certain point it becomes really easy to spread and then you're spreading it to your friends and you don't know what have and then you know a lot of people would a lot of people would give up on creating their own mothers and and making their own clones and they just be like fuck the veg I'm just gonna go to wherever and buy 200 cuts when it's time yeah you know and yeah weird comment of the night that's what that's what gets me into trouble is it's hard to bullshit and read comments in real time when you have that comment out loud the other yeah if you read a comment out loud it's super offensive yeah yeah so you can get it's you know you can get thrown off the game and so we made it we made it like an hour and a half without actually talking about one of the things that I don't think does Pip have the shoreline I don't think either we have some good friends of ours that do and Pip's a good friend of ours but I don't think he does I don't think we have we have some really close friends of ours that have had it for quite some time and it's fire I like it I wouldn't consider people tell me it's not it's people ask if it's RKS I would say it's gunky is from what everyone tells me and it's got it's got rankness to it but I wouldn't say that it's I'd say it's not sweet and then a lot of people confuse not sweet for roadkill scum yeah if I was being a hundred if you're being a hundred percent yeah you know yeah Kim was selling Kim for clones the other day it is Dispo and and Massachusetts I mean you know Kim for is Kim for is the Kim for is probably the most widely spread Kim yeah you know it's definitely got spread out the largest it throws really nice bats it's probably the least hoarded of the one of all of it you know it's still one of my faves to out of the out of the Kim for 91 or D I prefer Kim for for for what I like yeah I mean the most the most people's issues with Kim for is that it's like 12 weeks yeah and you can pull it at 10 so there's a lot of people that pull it at 10 yeah that makes sense 10 4 is not very close to D in my opinion no no Kim for is a big lanky long running buds kind of hazy type of not hazy in like when people think terpenaline I just mean like structure and it has kind of a racy buzz do it and do I think the cannabis community is being infiltrated to destroy home grows I think it's always I think that's always been happening I don't I don't know that I don't know that's never not happened I think it's evident flowed how intense it's been but I think home grows have always had some issues and the main issue I used to have with Kim for is that in California you can everyone wants you to flush your weed immensely right but nobody wants a hint of yellow on anything yeah because then they think you fucked it up and then they want less right and Kim for a lot of times dries a slight light golden brown yeah the golden the golden a little golden color and that golden color is you know is bad people don't like the golden color it can be fresh weed it can be sticky it can be cured amazing it can be fantastical and they'll get a little hit they'll be like looking at the calyxes and be like ah you know it's got a little hint of brown it makes me uncomfortable you know and anything for a giveaway I haven't actually been thinking about a giveaway dude I've been fucking talking shit well yeah I know you look down doing it's called flow dog and I don't think I don't think so Kim for is a big tall rangey plant Kim D is a much squatter Afghan it's it's it's lighter green in a lot of ways it's just its whole structure is different I don't think Kim for and Kim D are very similar at all you know and it doesn't it definitely doesn't take 84 days you know and what's interesting is we had our buddy Pip actually take an 84-day piece of Kim for and lay it on top of a picture of Neville's 89 and L5 Hayes bud and you could barely tell the difference sure you know I do think there's Hayes and Kim for you know I think that I think that I think that it could be 91 by an L5 Hayes maybe I don't know they're trying let's get back to skunk tons of people are working on skunk lines dude it's just that they're mostly not skunk yeah and I always have to preface this because people every time I have to restart it and say it when we say skunk we do not mean necessarily skunk one what we're referring to is the smell of a skunk when we say it's skunky we're not saying oh it's like skunk one we're saying it's skunky so just just to preface that so people don't confuse us saying skunk one for skunk they are two different things in my opinion yes skunk one is floral or citrus or maybe a little cheese maybe some grapes you know anything like that it doesn't have any you know what people are talking about is arch they want that rank nose curdling pure skunk spray type of smell yeah you know and there's a lot of people you know we were supposed to talk about about breeding techniques and stuff like that we never really got there people ask are they working what there's not really very many lines being worked right now by very many people you know now people are most people are doing the one-offs of things they hope are skunky and hoping you'll find skunk in them or just straight frauds because there's now there's so many people that want it there's a bunch of people jumping in claiming to have it you know yeah you can't they know that you can't tell them they don't have it until X amount of months and most people will sit on them so yeah you know I mean it's a game you can go through there's you know there's people like you know blue or sky Vienna that fucking has their own story and they have the skunkiest skunk that's ever skunked but nobody finds skunk in their beans and you know there's a bunch of people doing it that you know there there's not something that's not there and there's a market demand for it and people are jumping in and saying you're gonna get skunked for me any day yep you're gonna find this is unbelievably skunky you're gonna find skunk in it and then they sell a bunch of what you know what do people call it hopeium hope you know hope you all bunch of sell a bunch of addictive hopeium you know there were a few of us me and me and Bodie were working on just specifically finding that type of thigh all or smell in in old lines and he went one direction I think he went and looked in some Afghanis do and I popped a bunch of Afghanis looking for it and I got very lucky and found something early on it's not the easiest thing to reproduce but I found ways to reproduce it but by that point literally everyone had jumped on the train selling skunk one of everything or hybrids of skunk one everything and saying it's skunky you had the blue skies Vienna people pick in and nobody wants to be associated with that shit so some of us just said fuck it and walked away walked away from it for good just because it's I think it's easy to find now and I think if you look in the right places it's very easy to come across and I think it's out there for people if they really really want it you know yeah somebody's a skunk lines over 9000 skunk clone zero yeah you know I don't know you'd be a millionaire or whatever else because it's like you could have a cutting that did it but it's like you I mean maybe you may make a bunch of money I mean one of the things like hand is cutting does it to a tee especially if you follow what CSI has said pretty pretty openly about the best way to get skunky line to express skunky but it's not conducive to having skunky bud that you could carry around for a month and sell it's just not gonna happen it's it's very very volatile compounds you know and and I think it's obviously got a recessive trait and it's one of those things like people talk about people don't know this about genetics or whatever but like I was talking about it the other night where blonde hair and blue eyes is only like 11,000 years old in humanity yeah it's a mutation right and it's a recessive so if you don't if both parents don't have the recessive you can't have it so you go to like Nordic countries or something like that and there's a bunch of it but they say eventually as people mix it's gonna get lost and it's almost never gonna pop up because there's gonna the dominance are gonna be all over yeah and I think that's what happened is in the 90s there was more there was more plants that both had the recessive and so it could pop and be and be you know an expressive trait in those things and then as it got bred out and people lost it and it got bred with other things it kind of became a recessive terp and then you're trying to look for it to pop right and there's certain terpenes there's certain smells that are very dominant terpenal yeah yeah sure you know citrus you know you know a lot of times you can cross something and something like 70 or 80% of its progeny will have had to have that aroma strong sure and then other times there's stuff where it's only gonna pop up in a limited population you know so for instance to use the human example if you've got a bunch of Nordic people mating right like a bunch of Swedes or Finnish or whatever you get a bunch of blonde hair blue-eyed kids yep but if every generation they started like marrying Africans or Mexicans or Chinese or something within a certain number of generations the blue eyes and blonde hair would go away or be a super rare thing to catch up yeah you know and we haven't really studied which traits in cannabis are recessive and dominant all we know we have we have no idea we just have observational data yeah exactly shared amongst friends we don't have any scientific basis we just have observations but if it was dominant it'd be easy to find yeah I mean nothing and literally every single person that has claimed that they were six or nine or 12 months away from releasing perfect skunk to the community that was gonna change the game none of it has ever happened not yet no I mean that was that was what that was Duke's claim to fame right when Dominion first came out he had a huge skunk on the on it all his shirts and he was you know he was six months away from walking in skunk turps permanently from ancient skunk blue or sky vn all these different folks but then people don't find it in the beings no it's hard and and the the best advice I'll even I'll even repeat it for people that don't understand and don't know a lot of the reason you're not gonna see it is because we grow weeds so much differently we cure differently we dry differently how quickly wet weed moves doesn't happen anymore you know like people don't you're not buying wet weed anymore there's a lot a lot different going on than was back then and if people kind of applied some of those techniques to it you'd see it pop up very fast I also think too that all these techniques that that he's talking about you can coke skunk out but I do believe that there was strains once upon a time because people are talking about well maybe we were just confused no I think that it's just something that went away yeah through prohibition and people getting rid of it and changing changing eras you know I mean imagine 20 years ago you're fucking growing a bunch of skunk weed and it smells ranked skunk and you're having a problem selling it and then your broker buddy is like dude if you just grow this urkel you can sell every gram and so you stop selling skunk yeah and you get rid of the skunk and you lose the skunk because you're growing urkel and then you move on from urkel to fricking kush and then you move on from kush to sour and then you move on to Skittles and then somewhere 10 years later somebody's like you know oh man I wish we had some skunk but you got rid of that shit no one yeah never looked back and then it was like not popular for long enough that when the time when everyone looked around and was like where to go it was gone yeah people are asking when it showed up and I think I think most people agree that whenever the Afghani started showing up in California is when the skunk started popping up if you want to believe Sam skunk man he'll say that in the start of skunk one I post you know that it popped up in most phenos that it was dominant that you didn't have to look for it it didn't matter if it was grew up who it was grown by where it was grown what nutrients you use they came out skunky and it does seem when we interviewed Carell from Super Cetiva seed club he said the first skunk seeds that he got from Sam were much much much skunkier than what came later yeah and Neville got those same seeds and you know I think the reason why the super skunk got lost is because they lost the breeding male that threw those skunk turps you know and you know he they used that skunk male and all kinds of stuff and so I think it was prevalent in the 90s with a lot of those hybrids and then times changed and it was I mean I grew that that old school super skunk right and you know some people call the skunk six and it really was scary yeah you know it made around your house smell ridiculous for the last two weeks before harvest it was even before you really had carbon filters were really sold yeah right so you'd have like the old like you've an air like ozone generators yeah and you'd run it you'd run the ozone through like 30 40 feet of pipe and a coil and then you blow it out your house but I used to pull up in summer and it that smelled like dead skunks all around my house yeah it was scary you worry about your neighbors you worry about getting in trouble you know people talk about it going through the bag yeah right well what if it reeks like a dead skunk for 50 yards in every direction for your house for two weeks out of every eight yeah that's sketchy people keep asking about shoreline we mentioned it a little bit ago I got to try outdoors for a line and I thought it's pretty well grown the person who gave it to be said it wasn't but he's very humble and then I got to try some indoor from bitter that he had grown and I got I I think it smells like hot garbage indoor and then outdoor smelled a lot like real cat piss not tripinoline but real cat piss ammonia hot garbage so it's I mean it just depends on what your definition of skunk is in my nose I put a lot of stuff up it when I was young so I don't smell things certain smells I can't smell them in a lot of stuff that other people can so it's hard to say it's hard to say yeah I mean most of my most of my friends one of the reasons why we we lost it was I couldn't get anybody to help me back it up yeah I believe it yeah you know because people didn't want to grow it out it was risky and they were making good money and growing other things yeah and that's how a lot of stuff will get lost is like they'll be like oh well you know you can hold yeah it's a lot of extra risk for not a lot of extra bucks and then and then you're in the and then you're in the spot where it's like then it's one bust or one fire or one mistake or one mishap away from losing it mm-hmm and then you start trying to hunt it down you know somebody said the LA cushion chem D is pretty skunky that's good that you found that I would not be surprised because I think both of those strains have super skunk in them yeah I would not be surprised on some level to see somewhere in there those those genes combined yeah and that kind of stuff to to to come back up but you know it's it's a numbers game you know it's a numbers game I'm breath someone asked about the hogs breath lineage it expresses very Afghani probably has some skunk one in it I mean it has like a depending on how you grow it slightly cheesy to slightly sweet smell foot funk is probably my best description of it though other people smell different things in it it was said to be Williams wonder to northern lights to a northern lights back cross it was all kinds of different things people said but probably if I had to guess some sort of skunk one and I'll fly maybe something Williams wonder maybe I don't know it's hard to say Afghani Afghani skunk one of some sort yeah so I mean it I think I think people there's a lot better chance for people to find it and some random cuts like our buddies you know panda that we were talking about pop up it'd be another thing if that person could actually take it that cut and then turn that into a line that people would you know with at least with a reasonable level of certainty find some skunk in yeah because that's that's where it all falls apart is to go like oh you're gonna get some skunk soon and then all the beans they sell people don't find it yeah you know and you know so you know they you know there's all kinds of people saying oh I've got this oh I've got that oh I've got amazing things that would be great if people did but nobody's really popped up with it I mean we even had that that that asshole joint breath or whatever he fucking went to he went to like one of those Colorado one of those Colorado cannabis shows and he got skunk spray from uh that was fucking that was Emerald Cup he did it he did that Emerald Cup or whatever yeah and he went and got some skunk spray aroma from uh from uh you know it's called tinks yeah from from the outdoor store you know hunting you know cabalas or something and and rubbed it all over his his jar yeah so that he could crack the jar and be like you want to buy my seeds this is rank and then people would be like oh my god this just stinks and then they'd go to smell the bud and they could and they it's like they could barely smell it because only a little bit of it had gotten on there one of the people he let walk away with some buds of it and in their bag was just this orange oil across the back yeah that was sweet I gotta give him a prop for actually doing that a lot of people joke about doing that but that one actually that was actually went for it you know yeah and and there's an aspect too where you know they uh so yeah there's a bunch of people that have claimed it and I don't I like people talk about I do believe that there's a way to make some things express skunkier than they do but I also believe that there was some there's some plants out there that have a straight skunk nose I find it hard to believe that anything after a full dry and after a full cure is going to smell super stunky I just don't think it can be captured like that based on what it is that old cut had it 100% it even even like super far right right right yeah I mean it would only last them I'll give you it would only last you know a month yeah I mean anything and then eventually your dryer but certainly like the first two three four weeks you had dry wheat of it yeah it reeked unbelievably yeah 100% it didn't go away and so you know I you know they I think it's out there but I think that the level of breeding required to lock it in is not profitable enough to get people to actually do the work to make it all happen and have everybody grow the same way so I know most because most breeding you know there's some we have some friends like you know archive or Kayla CSI or you know there's Matt you know we have some good friends that that that do multi-stage breeding but the vast majority of breeding today is is one-offs and they move on to something else yeah it's not super there's not they don't take something and and like they're like I'm gonna make this thing and then I'm gonna grow out a thousand of them or 500 of them or 200 of them and select and rebreat and it's almost all you know it's almost all one-offs ST you know reversals and one off right yeah I mean how many people do you see finding stuff within their own work and then using that in further work yeah it's minimal minimal most most common for someone to be like I reverse this plant onto these plants here's the names here's the packaging my next drop will be this other plant reversed onto these other plants and you know and so on and so forth so you know I mean RC archive on here archive is one of the few people that is like oh I got these phenos that I made from my own stuff yeah and I'm gonna work with it Matt's done that you can watch CSI do it on his page there's people that do it it's not as profitable and so trying to find someone that's really gonna take all the failure involved to actually find RKS is probably rare yeah man indeed indeed okay let's do this get this giveaway ready so I'm just I literally picked just like four random things one's a blue bonnet mix so this is a mixture of different whatever like females in a mixture there's like 20 seeds in there or more mm-hmm one's a Durbin Yeti fuel hybrid that I've released is something called project for it was just fruity and I'm not big on fruity but it was decent it had good yield one is the narrow leaf Bubba what I don't know if it was really an S1 or if it was fucking pollen could tamper be polka down crossing an heirloom Afghani male and then the old caliocut crossed to the z-cube Skittles vx3 so we've got to give this away to someone I don't know how we're gonna do it yet so imagine realizes I saved my Botox for there so it's actually it's it's it's probably the best-looking part of me really so I think I have an idea I have an idea so whoever gives whoever not so selects as the funniest response oh my god the to the given genetics for the strain called not so is old balls so not those old balls what are the genetics in it whoever has the the funniest or best answer you'll you'll get these four people it has to be someone in the USA that's important picking up not paying fucking 20 bucks to send you seeds it's not going to happen the dumpster still exists you know yeah it's gonna be a hybrid the dumpster still exists yeah you know Calio is probably Calio by skunk one yes that's that's probably what what what's what realistic is realistic you know yes growth that's actually plant-based should win me I mean he just said Skrotox which yeah I don't know that might be that might be the winner yeah Skrotox is gonna be hard to beat Skrotox is really yeah boy yeah but yeah that's that's that's that's how they look so smooth and young most people wasted up most people wasted on their face you know and on their forehead and they try to work on these lines and stuff like that but yeah you know that that's that's wasted there that is a total waste you know so indeed indeed so they got the names that are gonna come in let you fuck me yeah oh yeah this is a good one I I think Joe cool since Skrotox first so Joe cool I think you're in the US so yeah Joe cool it is Joe cool hit me up after I'll make sure these go to you and then maybe we're getting close we're getting close to the end but maybe I'll do a rant oh yeah so we were we almost got to it earlier and then we got sidetracked and and thrown not so firm is pretty good yeah not so firm is also pretty good yeah but we were talking about like people were asking a bunch of questions and you know and I think maybe just a brief like sort of like what what people get with seeds has changed a lot yeah so I was just talking now where it's like really what it boils down to is right now what you get is you get a lot of like one-off hybrids that are sold and they exist until the guy runs out of stock and then they're gone yeah that's that's that's most of the industry right now is one-offs but you go back 25 30 years or something and that was not how things were most seed companies sold lines yeah okay and there's a concept called you know what's your floor what's your ceiling right and what what that is is that it's like is your seed line does it have a high floor which where most of them are pretty decent but a low ceiling where you're not going to find any elites yeah or does it have like a low floor where you could get some true junk in a bunch of mids but it actually has a high ceiling where you could get some true elites mixed in there and people have this idea that in the 90s and all that in Amsterdam like there was all this magical weed that's the weed that survived yeah there was a lot of junk and there was a lot of mids right and back then it was better than Mexican so we people were a lot more forgiving of just random kind bud because all random kind bud still sold because it wasn't so clone centric or anything like that right so you had a situation where I don't know I don't know how I don't know how to say it I probably have bought 10 or 15 packs of Sensi and L5 haze in the 90s so that's probably I don't know it's over a hundred seeds yeah I didn't find an amazing keeper yeah but yet there's Piff and Cuban there's all these different named phenos yeah from those exact same seeds that are still around 30 years later and they're the fucking bomb and they're still like competing with today's strange and they're still competing today strains and there's certain old strains you know that stand the test of time and you know you might run through five or six well today as Matt will tell you if you bought three or four packs of Matt's work and all you found was junk and not a single keeper you would be fucking typing on your keyboard and making his life miserable because you'd be fucking pissed so yes there's a lot of pressure today to have a high floor with your breeding so people will get stuff that is decent enough that they won't bitch yeah and even back in the day 30 years ago Neville used to Neville used to complain that he had these like you know Afghan by Afghan amazing hybrids right like that he wanted to release but if people got 10 or 20 percent less yield than the outcrosses they bitch up a storm yeah so breeders are always thinking about what will sell what's feasible you have right and so there's a lot of great weed that someone be like this is amazing weed but it herms yeah so I can't sell it because it'll be just endless memes about me if you I mean all it takes is one customer posting one good picture of one single plant herming even if it's in like you can tell the plants all burnt up and it doesn't matter even if they could show that one time it can ruin a line for good that's just how it goes you know so there's a bunch of so there's a bunch of shit where if it herms it won't get released if it's too leafy if it's too low yielding if it's to this if it's to that it won't get released yeah right at least back in the day and so there was a lot of there was a lot of there was a lot of strains that never got released that they thought were killer weed but they didn't meet commercial standards yeah right and now weed has to be fucking pretty yeah cookies and all these different hybrids have made ugly weed a really hard sell so what it has what happens if you have some amazing tasting amazing effect kind of ugly weed that herms a little that weed is fucked yeah you know like and they probably won't get released but it's amazing but some pretty some pretty mids that will get released every time yeah you know the you know and and all that and so you know there's an aspect where it's like you know because more weed was accepted in the 90s because it was better than Mexican it allowed a wide variety of kinds of weed to flourish yeah it really allowed and this whole naming of clone thing has led to the same same getting grown by everybody and then that same weed gets crossed to everything and then everything's a blend of cushments and and kush and cookie and this and that and Skittles and da da da da and you know and people talk about purple punch purple punch has everything but hot you know I like that plant god damn yeah but there's so many mids and now that there's now that there's modern marketing and everybody has to have white hot fire yeah there's there's all these things that I call Midsy elites and then there's this thing where it's like if it's not an elite and it's not junk and it's not mids what is it we don't even have a name for better than mids but not quite elite yeah and I don't it's like junk mids elite yeah three-step process but there's things that fall on that spectrum that don't have like I have weed that I really love and I'd be super bummed if I lost it but I wouldn't consider it like in my top 10 or 15 cuts yeah as far as like effect but I'd be super bummed if I lost it you know what are you thinking of specifically right this second like the Maui I knew it I do it okay just because just because of like if you were gonna compare the Maui's high yeah to say like my favorite highs out there like an amazing in L5 haystack you know or chem 91 or chem D or the headband it's not as good yeah but is it frosty and has amazing flavor and like you know throws nice purple chunks and is a great yielder and like it has amazing features yeah but it's it's it doesn't have any elite high you know what you know what's an interesting anomaly among maybe Instagram weed today that I've noticed is the chem 91 because it's not exceptionally pretty it is active if you ask me it's exceptionally ugly most of the time it's very hardly it's very hard to take good pictures of it and most of its value is in the high yeah and it's rare potency and it's rare potency which is something you can't convey in pictures yet still today it's it sticks around and there's enough people that say it's some of the best weed of all time yeah that there's group think there and people want to try some of the best weed of all time yeah FOMO for sure you know but and a lot of times that when it looks the prettiest is the people that cut it way too early in my opinion like 53 or 55 dates yeah if you take it the full 70 plus or something it looks more ugly yeah but it works really good scum VA makes it look beautiful when he grows it and I never got it to look like that it was always just even when I try to shut it down on light hours like lower light hours anything I would do it be endless white pistols burn up ass fucking leaves it would just look hideous well you know one of the things I'll say and maybe I'll bring up like some totally random shit like Crockett DNA for a second yeah one of the things they did that was really smart when they started selling all their strawberry banana and all those hybrids and they were blowing up at Emerald Cup is they grew out greenhouses of that weed and then they got professional photographers with really good equipment that understood lighting and understood all that and color to come out and take jaw droppingly beautiful shots and so that makes a difference too like you might be sitting there and be like man I can't get a good picture of this right because you're not and I do the same thing I'll be I'll take pictures of weed and I'll be like I'm not that happy with it yeah you know but you get a professional in there and they're like working on shutter speed and aperture and they know the lighting and they have this they have that they'll make it look like a million bucks you know and so they were smart to like pay for professional marketing yeah by getting professional photos subcool was a master at that and absolutely he had some of the prettiest fucking pictures back in the day didn't matter that it was all space screen you know it didn't matter it was just if they look beautiful humans humans are visual yeah you know humans are visual so I don't know we um we're almost at nine o'clock here we actually bullshitted for a couple hours imagine that how we do it I am appreciative of everyone that showed up Matt does his normal spiel homie that homie that came up with uh um yeah I don't know I mean I just randomly picked it but I don't think anybody's gonna beat that name so yeah yeah I know who gets it Matt gets it thank you all for your Friday night as always thank you for listening thank you for chatting reach out to me or Matt on IG you can always ask for suggestions of what you want to hear talked about stories you want to hear things you want to know about reach out to us we always like chatting about what people are interested in appreciate your Friday 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