Okay, so this is the April 4th meeting of the transportation advisory committee. We have a quorum now, and we also have 2 people in the waiting room. Oh, should actually their setup is attendees. So, yeah, Kim, if you want to read that statement, that would be great. Um, pursuant to governor Baker's March 12, 2020 order suspending certain provisions, the open meeting law. This meeting of the transportation advisory committee is being conducted via remote participation. Thanks. Okay. All right, thank you. Um. Okay, so our 1st item was the council liaison to tack. So. The council liaisons have been on the council agenda for a number of meetings and they haven't actually gotten to it yet. Um, Jennifer, Todd is attending the meeting today. Because she is 1 of the counselors who had volunteered to serve as a. Tackley is on and George Ryan is the other counselor who had volunteered to serve as a tackley is on. Um, I did talk to Jennifer briefly before the meeting and she said she didn't need to be led in as a panelist, but. Jennifer, if you do want it later, you can raise your hand. And we do appreciate tack having a liaison to the council. Um, and again, nothing's official yet because I think it's on the agenda for the next council meeting. And then, um, as I emailed about our main agenda items today. Um, I think it's that who is the counselor liaison. Well, Jennifer, Todd had volunteered and George Ryan had also volunteered and. It sounded like Jennifer make it a sign because George had also. Signed up. Oh, let's let Jennifer, can we let Jennifer in please go for. Oops. Oh, hi. I can be, um, I can be in the audience. I just want to say at Monday's meeting. I just want to say that I think it's on the agenda for the next meeting. And I think it's when the council will be deciding who will be the liaison. It will probably be George Ryan, but. That will be. Yeah. But thank you. So I'm here. Hi, everyone. All right. So Andy Steinberg had suggested that Jennifer attend because he thought it would be you, Jennifer, but. Yeah. So we go because you're. We've referred some items to you, but you can zap me into the audience. That's fine. I'll raise my hand. Okay. And also we do have public comment and I know that Kitty is here. We could let her in too. You run in the show here, Gilford. You want Kathy, like Kathy. Yeah, yeah, let her in. All right. And you can take Jennifer said she'll sit in the audience either way. Yeah. You know, call me if you need me. Yeah. I mean, once I make you a panelist, I can't really demote you. Oh, you usually can, but it's okay.   Oh, you're not frozen. I'm trying to get the video thing on. Okay. Okay. We'll do it. Yeah. So I didn't know, did you want to make public comment today? I do. Okay. So just before you make public comment, I did listen to the TSO meeting and I heard that you had made public comment at the TSO meeting about the Heather stone project. Yes. So the tack it was referred to us by TSO. We're not going to be taking like any action or making any recommendations on Heather stone tonight. Because. We felt like it's a pretty, I mean, I heard that there were, I mean, a lot of people that were in the TSO meeting, and we saw our head contacted us and told us that there were quite a few comments at the TSO meeting about Heather stone. You know, there have been discussions with the town. It sounds like for over 10 years about Heather stone. And tack is just coming to this now. And we, and there is a. Public forum of some sort being planned to discuss Heather stone more. So I know that I've reviewed Heather stone and I have some questions about it. We're not going to be taking action. We're just looking for more information. And I, I think we would wait until. After there's a public forum to make any recommendations to TSO and the council, similar to what TSO is doing. Oh, wait. But go for it has a go for it has his hand up. Could you make sure you asked everyone to introduce themselves and tell them. Oh, sure. Thank you. Otherwise we never get that. All right. I'm sorry about that. Go for it. I just launched into the meeting. So I'm Tracy's a fan. I'm the chair of tack. I'm the vice chair of the tack. I'm Chris Lindstrom. And I live on Butterfield terrace right next to UMass. And I've been on tack. A little under two years, but I am sort of a liaison with. The in town. PGO's and so we are doing the parent guardian organizations at the schools. So we're doing a big safe routes to school event. We did one in the fall and we've got one coming up in May. I think we just need to introduce ourselves. So Amber has it for the minutes because she's listening. It's okay. I love your bio. That's all good. So. And I'm Stefan Chage. I'm a member of the tack as well. Thank you. And Joe. You're here. Everybody Joe federalist attack. How are you doing? All right. All right. Thank you. Okay. So go ahead, Katie, if you want any comments. Yeah, hi. So I live in Echo Hill south, which is different than Echo Hill north. Heather stone is in Echo Hill north. So you might always want to be aware of that. And I'm actually opposed to. The idea of having rotaries getting rid of the median and. And putting in sidewalks. So just now I came down Heather stone and there's like, I don't know. I counted one or two descending driveways, which people were complaining about their kids might roll, roll a ball down there, descending driveway and get hit by a car. If there are no, you know, if, if, if these rotaries and sidewalks don't get put in, but there's really only one or two descending driveways. I counted about 35 houses all together in the stretch between Helen road and. Stony Hill road, which is the main part of that is Heather stone. It's a half a mile long. It's one 10th of a mile where the median is. And did I send and about. No, excuse me, not a mile long. It's. Half a mile long, less than 0.5 miles. That's important to correct. Now, Stony Hill road is not in echo Hill road. There was a complaint about cars driving fast on Stony Hill road. But that, and that is a descending road. But that's not echo Hill North and it's not echo. It's not Heather stone road. Someone complained at the other meeting about their kids bicycling to Fort river. The Fort River on main street. But that is a very different street than Heather stone. Main street is really hard to bike on. I used to bike. Often. To my office actually on main street. And I would go down Heather stone, Heather stone was not the problem. What the problem was main street because of poorly maintained sidewalks. Okay, well, you have a minute or so left, but you know, stop. So Main Street or Pelham Road there or Amherst Road, whichever one it's called right there has like mailboxes on the sidewalk. It has tree roots, really big ones that you have to go around. It's a narrow sidewalk and it also has, what's the other thing, garbage cans. It's also really poorly maintained. Now if people were to bike on Stony Hill Road and that is steep, it's a poorly maintained sidewalk on Belcher Town Road there and there's a lot of debris on the road. And the sidewalk is overhung by a lot of tick-bearing bushes that I've gotten a lot of ticks from that ride. So I don't think that the complaint that Heatherstone Road needs to be changed because of kids biking to Fort River, Heatherstone is not the problem. Amherst Road or Pelham Road is the problem. Also I counted only one or two actual descending driveways and it's like most people just tell, they train their kids not to throw the ball down the driveway and run after it. I can't see how putting in a sidewalk would help that or putting in rotaries for like a half a mile, putting in two rotaries, I want you guys to go there yourselves and really see yourselves. Is this a problem? Is it not? I know that people were voicing, oh my parents' generation wanted sidewalks, now we want sidewalks but I think that's a minority of people. And there was one older person who said she doesn't want sidewalks and kids biking on sidewalks. The roads are wide and a pleasure to walk on. People can walk side by side and it's really, we have more walkers there than from my perspective any place else that I know of in Amherst. People love walking there because they can walk on the road which is already plowed, nobody has to take the snow and the leaves off of it, the dirt doesn't build up. It's really great, it's like walking in a park. So I think that is about, well maybe a speed limit sign, I didn't see any speed limit sign, that would be perhaps a way to calm traffic. It is, I believe, the only people who are going on Heather Stone Road are the people who live in Echo Hill North. Most people, it is not a shortcut to the Hampshire Athletic Club, who would take, who would go up Main Street and north of the club and then go down and around. People take Route 9, they don't take Main Street and Heather Stone Road unless maybe they're coming from Route 202. So I don't know who they're talking about. If there was a place in this area that needs to be fixed and needs a sidewalk, it would be the gatehouse road area between where the school bus, where the bus lets out, the public bus, PVTA. From there to the condos, there's no sidewalk on the condo side. And I also take the bus a lot, and that is dangerous to walk in, and there are potholes going all the way up to Stony Hill Road on Gatehouse Road. So thank you. I think you're over three minutes or four minutes. But there will also be this public forum that I know that TSO is organizing. So thank you. Thank you very much. Okay. Thanks. Thank you. Now, Keene, you're in the audience too. I don't know if you're here just as a server, if you wanted to make any comments. But if you do, please raise your hand. So, okay.  Okay. So, Guilford, can we talk about the Belcher Town Road project? Yes, I actually found a button to put people back. Sorry. I haven't seen that button before. Well, there you go. So can you... I'm happy to bring them back if you want them. If people want to come back, they can raise their hands. I mean, we do try to run our TAC meetings, like as we did when we had them in person where audience members can talk and aren't stuck out there in attendee lands. So Guilford, can you give us an overview of the Belcher Town project? Yes. Amber actually sent the plans out. She did send them. I didn't get a chance to look through them fully because I was also... So the reason they weren't given to the council is that they're pre-detailed plans and you can't really show them very well in a big screen, but I'll show you what we have. I mean, I'll tell you the reason that I had asked for the plans is because I went to the site, I had questions about exactly what the layouts were. I mean, maybe this is like really in the weeds and people wouldn't have those questions, but also where the crosswalk was intended to be, where the bike lanes were intended to be, where the space for the bike lanes is going to come from. Because when I visited the area, there's a little narrow shoulder, like a strip on both sides. And it is very narrow, like in some places it's only like a foot wide or two feet wide, which didn't really seem like bike lanes. And I was also concerned about just the interface of how the bike lanes interact as you're... Well, one, the fact that there's no bike lanes on either end of this strip, which the strip which was described in the memo is only being 900 feet long, but then also just like if people are... If there is a bike lane created, what happens when people get past those 900 feet or are on College Street or further down on Belcher Town Road how did the bikes like get in and like merge in and those kind of details. So that's why I asked from the maps. But okay. So here are the plans. Everyone can see them, right? Yeah. All right. So we're in this little section. So there's a bigger project that goes with this. The bigger project is actually repaving and repairing Belcher Town Road all the way from Southeast Street to the town line. That project's been being developed slowly over the years and it hasn't really... It's been moving really slowly. So why this one's broken out of the project, of the bigger project is because the town is purchasing... If you can see my cursor. Yep. They're purchasing these three lots here. Actually, they've already purchased them. And these are going to be affordable housing. So they put in the town, put in for a MassWorks grant for money to upgrade the sidewalks and put in bike lanes from the village center, which is to your left here, back to where the affordable housing will be. So that's why the project's so short. There's another project, which is a community development project, which will go from here to the bridge. And then there's another project which will go from here to the Fort River Bridge. Okay. And there's another project which goes from the Fort River Bridge to the town line now. They've been chopped up into three pieces. Just correct me if I'm wrong. The Fort River Bridge is like right before Gatehouse Road. It is. Okay. Oh yeah, there's like a little over... Yeah, okay. So that's why we have it kind of this little piece. Sure. And right now we have money for it. We may not have money, but it may be taken away, but right now we have money for this. So I'll scroll through the plans. If anybody wants to ask a question, jump in. Yeah, I mean, I guess even if you just wanted to show us...  I just, when I, as I said, just based on the memo, I really wasn't sure exactly what was going to be where. So... Okay, well, I'll run through the plans if you want to see the area, we'll turn it on next. Yeah, okay. I mean... Because I know the plans are super detailed, right? So... So yeah, so this page here is a demo plan. So this is the existing conditions. So you can see this is a sidewalk here, and there's actually room behind the sidewalk to the property line. There's probably about two to three feet mostly. So we're actually taking the sidewalk and we're shoving it all the way against the property line. And we're doing the same thing on the south side. This sidewalk here, this will get pushed down. And then most of this grass area, there's no one, not on this side, most of the grass area will go away to accommodate the bike lanes. So that's where we're getting the space for it. So everything's widening out. So I do have a question. So I'd seen them, I mean, it's not really a plan for say, but somebody had sent me the materials that the affordable housing organization submitted and they have renderings of the project. And it seems like there's no grass median there. No. In front of the project, right in front of the project, right? So it's basically like right, it looks very close to the sidewalk, like only a small, not even like a grass, like the line of the project basically goes almost up to the sidewalk. So there isn't like a grass buffer anymore. No, it's basically a very urban, it's going to be a very urban approach or a very urban look to this. So I just wanted to see like if that was all like compatible with, because you were talking about that there was still grass. I don't so. Well, there might be some on the far side on the south side, but not pretty much almost everything on the north side is going away. So this is again a demo plan. The property line is back here. There's room to push the sidewalk back and move the road out. So the property line is that dash line up there. So this dash line here, yes. And so the rest is the public way. Yeah, yeah, from this dash line to this dash line is what we have to work in. OK, and so like how large are the travel? How wide are the travel lanes now? They're probably anywhere from 12 in some spots to 14. What is the minimum for whatever the speed limit is or whatever there? The speed is actually low in this area. So you can go 10, you can go to 11s here. And how wide I can't see on your current map. I can't read that small. How wide is the street there? Let me I'll show you. I'll show you a farther down because it actually varies. OK. It just varies. OK. So wait, this is on both sides and the current is right. Yeah, well, I didn't get there. There was two questions there. I didn't get. How wide will the will the sidewalk increase in size? And my second question was the sidewalk is on. Currently on both sides. The sidewalk is currently on both sides. And it will widen and and it stops. Then the south sidewalk doesn't stop near Colonial Village, right? And then, yes, the north sidewalk goes all the way out to like Rolling Green and Gatehouse Road. Correct. So and the sidewalks range anywhere from three feet to four feet. OK. So this is the first page of the construction plans. So we're having a 30 32 foot minimum between curb to curb. So that allows for 12 foot and. 12 S 24 always have a hard time adding this small math kills me lately. But that allows for the 11 foot lane, five foot bike lanes on both sides. That's 32. So to get to that with so. Because, again, like when I was there, there's just this very tiny, tiny shoulder. So to get to that with does that involve narrowing? I'm assuming it involves some narrowing of the current travel lanes. No, it doesn't know you're pushing. We're pushing back all the way to the property line we own. Oh, yeah. So the sidewalk is all the way up on the property line down here. OK, this side, actually, we're not and we still have a grass belt in between. Right. So on the north side, on the south side, right, there's a brass. And that's Cumberland Farms, the gas team down there. Yeah, this right here is the Cumberland Farms gas station. Yeah. OK. And so now so if you have 11 foot traveling and the five foot bike lane, then you don't have any buffer at all between the. The traveling and the bike lane, is that right? No, it's just the just the five if you. Yeah, it's just five feet of bike lane. And the bike lane is on the south side on the Cumbia side. It's not on both sides, so it goes sidewalk, bike lane, travel lane, central lane. OK, so and what is the speed limit there? I think it's actually 35 in this area. And it drops, I think, at the 25 in here somewhere. So I mean, some of the projects, right, like on like University Drive or when the state was redoing like sections of Route 9, Russell Street. Like they do have a buffer a little bit between the bike lane and the. Traveling for cars. It just it seems like the cars are moved pretty fast and. Well, you know, you know what I like, I mean. I mean, kids who are on bikes could be on the sidewalk. And the nice thing about the bike lane is it is a buffer between. When it's five, it's five feet, right? So, yes, you know, but it's a buffer between the sidewalk and the lane. You know, I mean, confident cyclists, I would feel fine being on that bike. That bike lane is likely not, but at least it's a buffer for the sidewalks because because because, you know, it is it is a little scary to be on a sidewalk that's right on a busy street, right?  Well, so to that, to that. And so I know when Chris and I have met with the principals when we were doing the safety school evaluation in that area, right? So I mean, there is that sidewalk on the north side that goes all the way to rolling green, but given the speeds of cars in that area, you know, and then truck traffic and so on that people were saying, like, even if it feels scary, even if they were walking on the sidewalk, you understand, even as a grown up that the speeds are high and yeah, people trust allow their kids to like walk without like the buffer. Gilford, so if the currently a kid riding their bike from Colonial Village over to Fort River comes out of the driveway and takes a left on the sidewalk and goes in front of Cumbies, right? And then they go down to the intersection and that's where they cross over. Is that that's what a kid would do currently? So we didn't see anybody. That's still the case in this new scheme or are there, especially with affordable housing across the street, is there a way for for there to be crossing, you know, before the intersection? There is. So let me back up a little bit. So if the reason this planet is so far along is because we call this we call the bike lanes shoulder, not bike lanes. And we call this a minor improvement. But the town council has this thing about changes to the public way, which they have to see. And if you put a crosswalk in, they have to approve it. So the reason this is really being aired is because there's a crosswalk now that's added and it's farther down to the it's farther to east. So it's further towards the Port River Bridge. Yes. So the kids coming out would still do what they're they're not going to take a right and go away from school if they're going to school. Right. So I'll show you when I get we get there. We're almost there. So we're still the north side. The sidewalk is right up against the road. There's no grass belt. The sidewalk is all the way against the property line on the north side. We push the we wind up the south side sidewalk and pushed it against the property line. But because of the power poles, there's actually a grass strip on the south side. There's power pole here. And there's there's also some like mailboxes and stuff.  Well, you might. Because you mean with those with the mailboxes on the street side? Is that what you mean? Just how they're like in the side walk. They're in like some of that. Well, I mean, some of them are like on the grass near the sidewalk. But they could, you know, if you push it to the property line, they could get pushed more into the sidewalk. But so here we are again. We're going down the second road. It's the same layout on the north and south side. And then we get to the second driveway. We're rolling green. Oh, OK. So this is the one crosswalk. This is the crosswalk. This is this is the driveway right here that goes into the affordable housing, the future affordable housing. Yeah, we laid that out. And then we put a crosswalk here. If you see the if you see the pictorial of the affordable housing there, they have a walkway that comes right to here. That's where their walkway will come to. So if you come to this walkway, you can cross over to the south side. And use the south side sidewalk, or you can stay on the north side sidewalk and do what you want to do to get to school. Again, we have a grass belt on the south side because there's power poles that we don't want to move. But we do push the sidewalk all the way back to the property line. And how how wide is the sidewalk there? I can't see the sidewalks are five feet. OK, good. Yep. And where is Colonial Village? This is Colonial Village right here below us. And so where's the entrance to Colonial Village? Is it on this map or is it right? Is right here is I think let me see that goes one more. Yeah. So this is the second. Interesting. And so the sidewalk goes past that further to the. East. What is that? Yeah, so this is this is our cutoff for phase one. Right. And when we start phase two, we'll back up and align with where we left off here and keep running the same profile all the way down to the bridge, pretty much. Cool. And is there only one new crosswalk? There's I thought there were two. No, there's only this one one. OK. This is actually the the lower the lower plan here is something else. There's a lot more detail. I don't need to look at that. And you look at the one you need to look at the one at the top up here. And this is just a detail one down at the bottom. So starting from the bridge. If I'm on the. South side and I'm traveling west. It's going to go five foot sidewalk, a little grass strip and then a five foot bike lane and then the road. Yeah, for most of the for most of the layout, yes, there are. There's if you keep going, if you do the second phase, you look at the second phase of this, and there is a couple of houses that stick into the public way and they actually read there's some restrictions they cause. So that is something that will happen. You mean is that what little same thing? Sorry, I'm sorry, Kim, coming from the north or on the north side, traveling west, it's five feet of sidewalk, no grass strip, bike lane and then the travel lane for cars. Correct. Okay. That, I mean, this is like an enormous improvement. Personally, I think. Guilford is the little angle at the end of the sidewalk. On the south side here. Is that is that because of the right of way that you were just talking about the housing? Is that why it's angled like that? No, no, this is the end of phase one. So we have to tie a phase one in the existing. Oh, OK, I got it. OK, so back up a little bit and then OK, got it. These two will back up and grab these corners here and here and then run. OK, got it. So could we so go for did you get to that because we're only looking at the phase one, right? Like the memo was only about phase one, right? So yes, the idea is for us to weigh in on phase one. Yeah, and this is the typical cross section here, right here. And that's exactly what Christine said. It's by foot, sidewalk, no, no buffer by foot, bike lane, travel lane, travel lane, bike lane, buffer, sidewalk. I mean, it's definitely an improvement and we need that, especially if the school is going in there and there's going to be more housing. And so how is kids, you know, so there's no buffer, but so is it like is it just a single lane for the bike lane? Like, how is that going to be like designated between the? I mean, yes, it'll be a painted bike lane and it'll be one one direction with a flow of traffic. Got it. And when I was when I walked along and especially because of the recent like rain and, you know, other precipitation, but in the in the very small area that is currently that little like mini shoulder, like there's a lot of debris, like a lot of the debris is like going the length, the width of that shoulder. And, you know, like there's a drain area, too, and there's just a lot of debris. So is there going to be anything done with the drainage so that? You know, sort of a worst case for now with some of the bike lanes is that like they're full of debris and they're not actually that usable. And I mean, it gets swept once a year in this area. And that's it. And like this, I mean, and that's an issue, too, with those sidewalks there. Like, so the sidewalks for people who walk on the sidewalk out to rolling green that that sidewalk can have a lot of like sand and grit and things like that. And the sidewalk never really gets swept, right? Like the bike lanes would get swept, but the the sidewalks, they try to sweep them once a year as well. OK. And it's usually the same time the sweeper comes through early. Sweeping the sweeper comes by again. So that's after the winter or? Yes. So so can we switch over to like the area where I can pull up the Google, too? I'm cool. I got it. I can get right here. OK. I would also just I have that picture of like the affordable housing with the setback that I pulled up. Whoops. So, I mean, just to the committee, so right. So our goal today is if we're not going to take action on Heatherstone, which I think we should wait until the forum until after the forum, then our goal tonight is just to have any recommendations we have about this small project on Belcher Town Road that we want to. We want to kind of have our key points. Well, Wilfred, do you know any quick stats about the new affordable housing that's going to go in on those properties? Like, I don't know how many people or the site, how much parking? I guess I'm how much more is that going to drive? I can traffic there. So, Chris, I have that up on my computer. So there's so he's going to stop sharing. OK, I can share how many units are going to go in there? So I thought there was like it said that they're 47 proposed. Hold on. Sorry. So this is this. So so what I was talking about is how like, so this is the rendering that has been reviewed lately and it just didn't seem like there was that much. Like, here's the sidewalk. I didn't seem like there was that much sort of buffer, except for the buffer that's actually part of the property. So does this does this rendering Guilford take into account the new bike lane as well? It should. I mean, if you look at the closest one, there actually is a bike lane symbol here. Yeah, there's this one right here, right? Tracy, what are you saying? What did you say? I didn't follow what you said about a lack of a buffer. No, I just spent over on the building side, right? That it's not really that this grass buffer is like part of the property, you know, that it's not just like a median. Like, yeah, like it's not like here on the south side, right? You still have grass and you have a sidewalk and you have the bike lane and then you have the traveling, right? But on this north side, I guess that's probably a bike lane. And then you have the sidewalk and then you have the property. Yeah. So it looks like a bike lane. Oh, hi, Marcus. We should figure out if it actually is a bike lane. Because it's supposed to be. I mean, you're building a bike lane there. Yes. So I know. But but that's that. Will that reduce the green space in front of the house? Oh, and so also, so these are the basic stats on it. Oh, so, so just for Ambers minutes, like Marcus, so you can just identify that you came to. I don't know. Have you been here very long, Marcus, in the meeting? Sorry, hidden me, but yeah, I am here. I have not been here too long. My name is Marcus Smith. Yeah. All right. Thank you. All right. So this is what, you know, there's it's a 50 page application, but it's basically it has. Oh, sure. Thank you. Yeah. So it has 40. Seven units proposed and that has 46 off on site parking spaces. OK, so, I mean, so to me, you'll further, I want to see a lower speed. You know, if we're providing opportunities for, you know, I think it's way better for kids commuting from Colonial Village to Fort River to have a new. You know, to have a new crosswalk, but. It seems pretty scary if we're also adding, you know, the potential for at least, I don't know. So they're saying 40 cars here, basically one car per unit. All right. I'll be on the sidewalk. So what's before you is the adding the crosswalk? There's nothing about speed or changing any of that. OK. If you want to add that as a separate item, I mean, you're welcome to. But OK, if you want to hold up the project because of that. I don't want to hold up. Well, I think that I mean, I think to Chris's point, right, that that. I mean, one, I don't think we're holding up the project, but like we were asked to look at it, you know, like through a like a bigger lens. And I mean, to me, too, like I am when I visited when I visit the site and there are large traffic, you know, it is pretty fast moving traffic. Like, I think it is OK for a talk to just say that we have concerns about speed. And like, for example, with the crosswalk, right? I just I mean, and I've been thinking about this, you know, with Heatherstone, too. But just because you build a sidewalk, it doesn't make the traffic go slower or just because you build a bike lane.  So that the car, the drivers may feel like, oh, I should go slower because I have a narrower traffic traveling. So in that respect, but, you know, for me, you lower the speed limit, says the same thing. No.  But I mean, with the with the with the crosswalk, not much. I just want to make sure that, like, the crosswalk is actually safe, right? I mean, like how it's situated and how it how kids in the or whoever's in the crosswalk is like interacting with traffic. And our vehicle is going to stop for them. And is it over there? Joe has a question. Yeah, this is the question about cars coming out onto the main road there. Are they allowed to take both the left and the right? It just seems awkward with the crosswalk and visibility. Yes, they'll be allowed to make a left or right. So the the crosswalk is farther down the building. Oh, so it is across from the building? Yeah, but it's probably 100, 150 feet from the driveway. Except where you're at. Well, actually, no, they're supposed to. So I'm not. Yeah, it's the crosswalk is halfway between the two driveways, the Colonial Village and New New Development. And it's about it's probably it's. It's 200 feet between the two driveways, roughly. So it's 100 feet from each driveway. So is that enough space to see? I don't even know. Well, that's what I was actually wondering about, because, you know, we had the incident down at Rocker Farm, but that. Crosswalk is pretty much on top of the junction. So she and she crossed the she was crossing the angle. Right, right. And that can happen, too, with some. So so is this so looking just at this aerial. So this is the Colonial Village driveway. And this is the the sections with the affordable housing. Isn't it like this lot here? Yes. And then there is a lot like the little greenhouse that's like in the trees, I'm assuming. So the crosswalk is designed to be here. Between the between the driveways. And you said that it's going to have rectangular rapid flashing beacons. Yeah. And and where where are the bus stops in that area? When I was there, I didn't see any bus stop signs. There's no bus stop in this area. Well, so there's a Colonial Village bus stops, right? The bus goes in and the and the bus goes into Colonial Village in both directions, I believe, right? When it's going outbound and inbound. Yeah, it passes through the village, yeah. Well, it goes it goes down Southeast Street, goes in the Colonial Village, comes out, makes a right. Goes down Colonial or Puchetown Road to Gate House, goes through Gate House, goes through Deep Woods or deep. I go through Hellerstone and then comes back out on Main Street. Right. So like this is like the Colonial Village is on the left. And I think is this house like part of the affordable housing or is it like the next house? I think it's the next one. It's like in here.  I guess I'm just going to say my questions about the the traffic are you know, sort of addressed somewhat because the I didn't know that there was the rectangular flashing beacon or I'm sorry, I never get there the correct terminology rectangular rapid RFBs or flashing lights. That's fine. So to me, that seems huge. That is almost that to me is a game changer on the plan. And I don't have as many concerns about speed because the pedestrians and the cyclists are in control of that. And so anyway, I guess I withdraw the. No, I would agree, Christine, to me, having the RFBs there is good coming out of town. They're not too far away from the intersection. But I guess one thing is like what kind of lighting is here at night, for example, because I would think that, you know, particularly in the winter months that you would have traffic crossing like Colonial Village traffic crossing and things in that. I mean, I've just found personally that when I'm in your downtown, even if I'm using rectangular rapid flashing beacon crosswalk at night and I'm having it flashed like not vehicles don't always stop. And and the roads in the downtown are less. The. Yeah, but I would say they don't always stop even, you know, even in an ideal condition. Right, right. But I know like a TSO, for example, like Myra Ross had commented just about like her concerns, you know, for people with mobility issues and things that people aren't stopping. But I mean, that's an ongoing issue, right? Of course. Yeah. Go down the road a little bit. So I did want to say here, like you can see like how if you only sweep the road like once a year, how there just is this build up. And I mean, I feel a little better if it's five feet wide, because this is probably like two feet wide so that they're still clear. But in the narrow show right now, yeah, for sure. So you went too far. All right, that's good. Now, this is a lot with the housing. Yeah, so where the X is is where the crosswalk will be. And if you go back across, there's a street light right within 10 feet of the crosswalk that's right here there. Right there. Yeah, that's the only other lighting they'll be at the crosswalk. And then so and how does so as we approach, right? So the memo covered. It's going to work. So in the bike lane is just going to continue like a long like as you hit all these commercial traffic, there's no concern about. You know, interfacing like with the bike lane or anything. Is the bike lane going to be painted? Like, I know sometimes the Mazda ones are painted green or something to designate it as a bike lane at the driveways. No. Just just like, for example, like this is a long, you know, some of these are like longer stretches. That one's going away. That's becoming more housing. OK, a reliance auto. Yeah, it's going to become more housing. Private housing. No. Yes. And then so how so if you're in a bike, if you're if you're biking here, right, and then there's this, how is this going to be handled? Like with the bike lane? That is the phase four, which is part of the Fort River School. Issue. But I thought that I thought that we're looking at from Southeast Street. Aren't we didn't the memo started Southeast Street? Or no, it does. But we've cut it short because of the work that's going to be done at the Fort River School. So is there going to be a bike lane like on this section? That was the original plan. And so where where's the bike lane going to end on the West side? Yeah, the original plan is that the bike lane carries all the way through to the intersection. OK, so you're just waiting to see whether you put a roundabout in there or not. No, we'd like to see what's going to be the next improvement there. Yes. So OK, so. So what's going to happen? So if we're, you know, sorry, if we turn it around, right? And then so where do you have a sense of where the bike lane is going to end? So I mean, we're back near Colonial Village and then we turn back around. I mean, I worry about those transitions with the bike lane to no bike lane. But isn't the project like the other the project with the sidewalks? I mean, I know they're all related. So the sidewalks being looked at more in this section and not all the way to the intersection. The whole project went all the way to the intersection originally. But then the intersection got cut out, too. OK. So there's the sidewalks and the bike lane will end around the second driveway to Cumbulon Farms. OK. Oh, OK. So like here, that's the first one or the second one? Is that the first one or the second one?  Yeah. So it's going to end this power this power pole right here on the left. Power for your arrows playing towards it. A little that one. No, no. OK. Go the other way. Does the other way. OK. So I'm going to go back down. Yeah. Now you're facing the wrong way. I know. Yeah, it was good. It's the one with the transformer on it. The one past the left. Yeah, the one over here. Now that power pole is where the bike lane ends and then the sidewalk continues on just a little bit. It goes to the driveway. OK.  So if somebody is. So if somebody is in the five foot bike lane coming towards, you know, towards this intersection, towards these Amherst intersection, what's going to happen to them? So the bike lane is going to end. So it's going to end around like here. Yes, they go up on the sidewalk. And then they're supposed to go up on the sidewalk. So is it going to be like no, they can just merge in the traffic there because it's really wide and and and there's the intersection, right? So yes, it's slowing down. OK.  I mean, well, that's what I mean. I just so like just to be clear. The plan is not to have them stop. It is what we're saying is that the the pot of money and the planning around the sure right from this section that we're looking at. So Guilford, are you saying that the bike lanes are stopping entirely? Or is it just that they will be picked up in another project? They'll be picked up later. Yes. Right. No, I understand. I just I just meant in the meantime, I just stop now. But if you just look at where where the most crashes and conflicts happen, it can be at places like this, like when you have a five foot bike lane and then you don't have a five foot bike lane. I mean, that was just my quick point. Right. Well, I mean, and that's why I weren't tarried to about this intersection, which isn't now something we're looking at. But again, if you have cyclists, some cyclists will go this way and some cyclists will go this way. And I don't vehicles can be very fast going through here. And so, right, you don't want the cyclists to get like stranded or. Yeah, that's like a cut off on Flix. Yeah, that's true. Yeah, I mean, do anything about it, right? Because we know that it's yeah, it's unfortunate, but this is the first part that's happening.  Yield to cyclists. Yeah. Yeah, no, that's true. Yeah, there'll be there'll be signs that say the bike lane ends and the birds share the road after that. OK, good. Yeah. I mean, that's all that we can do at this point. I mean, there will be more, but I don't know. Right. Although I do I do agree. I mean, you know, maybe if there could be the green, you know, the the the problem I see even if it was me and I'm I'm a confident cyclist. I mean, if I were continuing to the left instead of going straight here, you know, and there's a car behind me. I mean, this happens all the time to me.   Still on the side of the road, to me, that would be a safer option. It's just paint and it's just paint. And they put stuff in to make it like pretty durable and not slippery. Yeah, I must get you on spot. And so the crosswalk project then to I mean, sorry, go for the sidewalk piece like wasn't that one grant. I thought it was for this intersection and then it was going and then it was going west. I mean, sorry, east, but that part. So none of the there aren't going to be any like sidewalk and stuff improvements in this particular section until later. So it until later. Yeah. OK. So here we can like go back to. Because one thing I noticed at this intersection is that there's like no restrictions on right turns on red too. And I've been thinking too like about a cyclist for coming and things that would be. I believe there is for now. Well, there were some there are at least in some directions there aren't so. Some some town community went crazy and recommended no right turn on red and everything. Really? Really? Um, I think I might I might go and walk this this weekend, actually. Yeah, I've walked it. I found I found it really helpful with these. Do that. I might do that. So I have a better I mean, this one's not a right turn on red. You can turn red all for four of these. Yeah, that's what. Oh, so that's what I was. I mean, that's where I was thinking, just, you know, just about again. Like, I mean, I really I heard, you know, when Myra Ross was speaking at the TSO meeting, she was just talking about like the importance about like the interfaces of, you know, pedestrians and bicycles and vehicles. And and when you design them like keeping everybody safe, you know, in doing it in a way where you still have like good traffic move in and things like that. And so yeah, so that was on my mind with that. So OK, well, so does anybody else have any other questions about it? I know I think this answer was to mine. Guilford, what are your takeaways from this conversation?  You'll make those recommendations. OK. I mean, I don't have. I mean, I think right that I mean, we all think that this intersection and this whole stretch of roadway, like this is like Belcher Town Road is a major corridor for biking for walking, you know, it's on the bike peg plan. Everybody supports. I mean, I feel like we would all. I mean, we could even, you know, a vote or something, but we all support better infrastructure there.  Right. Thinking ahead of this, right? Adding that crosswalk is great for kids coming out of Colonial Village, going to Fort River or going to the future school. Right. I mean, that to me is the big thing. I'm fully supported that. I think that needs to happen as soon as we can get it to happen. And yeah, we can work on the the main intersection at a later date when the money comes in for that. But yeah, let's get this in and then move forward, right? I mean, the rapid flashing beacons help a lot. We're all good to go, you know. Agreed. You have a hand up in the audience. Yes. Hi. We can take the comment. Yeah. Can you let her you can let her enter or she should be coming in or you can talk without coming in. If it's go for it, unmuted you. There she goes. I think he's cutting in and out. Did I hear my name? No. OK. Hi. Hi. Am I on? Yes. OK. So I want to clarify two things. One is that people like really avoid turning right out of Cumberland Farm Store onto Route 9 and there's because the trucks and cars go around that corner somehow really fast. And and often there's a big pothole right there. I don't know why something, you know, something about water. But there's often a big pothole as you're turning right there. Also, you were talking about the bus going through Echo Hill at Gate House Road. That's the number forty five bus, which is a pretty infrequent bus like, you know, it's like four times a day. More frequently, you got you get the number 30. Which goes straight on Route 9 up to either Old Farm Road. And then it turns around or all the way to Belcher Town Center. And I also just want to mention that the residents of the new built the new apartments, the affordable apartment. Some of those are really, I think, going to be designed for families. And they're like three bedrooms. And those people will have to cross Route 9 to get. To the wait a minute. No. To Colonial Village to get the bus that stops twice in Colonial Village. Right. There's also a bus stop, which is further right outside the JCA on Main Street. You know, they had their choice of the one further Main Street or crossing the road. And that would include kids to get to the bus in Colonial Village that goes in both directions and stops twice. Yeah, that's good information because because I think the new crosswalk would serve that population specifically. Yeah, anybody going into town from that new affordable housing development would probably want to take the Colonial Village, the closest Colonial Village bus stop. Which would which that rapid beacon, the crosswalk would be between the two of those. Entrances, so so that would work. That's really useful. Yeah. Yeah, I don't know about the two entrances. One, unless you're talking about the one on Southeast Street and the one on Route 9. Yeah. OK. Yeah. Thank you. The memo from Guilford and the town manager referred to like a bus stop along the section of Delta Town Road. Is that correct, Guilford? Or did I miss to understand that? There's no bus stop on from this section. Oh, yeah. I thought I read that, too. I thought I read that. So, for example, it's in the next phase there are, but in this phase. Oh, it says, hold on. It says there are no bus pulloffs being added for the bus stops due to the limited right of way. But I guess the question is, so are there bus stops there? Are there not bus stops along this particular section? The closest to bus stops are... Well, Main Street, as she was saying. Yeah. And there's no bus stops. The closest are these two right here in Colonial Village. Oh, in the Colonial Village, right. And so the crosswalk is between the new inner, the new housing and where, yeah, the entrance to that. Right in this area by the B for Belcher Town. Yeah. Well, actually over here. So that could be used for that, for those people getting from. Yes, you can come down here and get on the bus. It's that's the closest to. Yeah. And if kids are walking to school, which isn't that far from there, they can just stay right on that sidewalk, right? And that will go, yeah. Yeah. So I wonder, do kids from Colonial Village, do they take the bus? If they go to Fort Worth now, do they take the bus to Fort River or do they walk? There's a there's a bus that goes in there. Yeah. The school bus. OK. So yeah, then more than Cora and I, they have to go on the bus. It's pretty close. But I don't know. It's certain kids with special needs are guaranteed. And kindergarteners and kindergartners. So then, yeah, Amherst will throw it open to anybody. I mean, the state law says that it only has K to eight, it's only two miles. Like you only need to provide bus transportation if it's more than two miles, which is pretty far. Yeah, Amherst does more than that. But there are a fair amount of kids that that bike and walk from Colonial Village. I mean, the people has told me. She's a little frustrated. We haven't found a parent chaperone from Colonial Village to, you know, create a rallying point for safe routes. Yeah, there's a fair amount to do. OK, so we do. It is already 735, I mean, 635. I know we had some other things we wanted to cover.  And I can write that we support the projects and, you know, we and we support the crosswalk and we like it as part of a linkage like with these other things. And we had some, you know, comments about the transitions. Is there anything else that we think we need to bring up in our memo? I think our memo can be pretty. I mean, this project has been in the works for so long, and it is part of this bigger thing. And it's clear that we need to do something, right? So. Does anybody else have any other comments that they want? I think I should put in that memo. I guess I would feel more more comfortable if I actually took these plans and walked on it. It's not that far, which I will do this weekend before we submit it. Yeah. A recommendation I would really feel more comfortable by looking and seeing what the actual plans are. Sorry. So Tracy can still write it up and send it to us. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.  Like I've walked it myself, but yeah, I mean, to me, one thing, too, is that this is like the memo says it's like a 900 foot section. It's just not that long. So and it's an important connection. So yeah, I can circulate it. I mean, so TSO will meet next week. And I'm not sure exactly, you know, the order in which they're doing things because they also have some other projects to consider. But we can share. We can share our brief comments with them so I can circulate something like draft over the weekend and people can look at it. But I will write some comprehensive memo or anything. OK. OK. And then I did put on the agenda Heather Stone. But because we're already getting a little late and I want to make sure we have time to discuss a few other things. Can we just push that discussion? I had their stone back to later because I mean, there is going to be a public forum in May. Go ahead, Gilford. The only thing I would say is look at some of the documents from other communities. Portland has a mini roundabout. Document the town, the city of. Some place in Massachusetts, Arlington, it's Arlington, I think, in Mass, they've been putting some in what was given to the TSO was more of the standard information from MassDOT and from Federal Highway. If we actually move forward with doing these roundabouts, they're going to be in the 40 to 45 foot diameter range, much, much smaller. Really, I mean, the memo that came out said they were 50 to 90, so that matched the MassDOT and the right. No, I understand that. But then I actually went and looked in. So like fearing a university is around 90. And then, you know, like triangle is like 115 or something. So so university is because it's going to be smaller than one university, much smaller. The university. Yeah, that's perfect. It's going to be as we need to be doing. It's going to be like a 15 foot wide traveling, going around it. And then the inside is going to be much this is going to be the rest of that 40 feet, probably. Anyway, it's 10 foot of 10 foot island in the middle. I would like to talk about it at a meeting at a future meeting, too, because we're not everybody. Yeah, they look for those those documents and that's information. And that will help you understand what we're talking about more. So is is the idea there? Traffic calming. It is roundabout. Yeah. But there are some people I mean, listening to the comments right there, some people in the neighborhood who support the medians and there are some people in the neighborhood who want sidewalks and some people who don't want sidewalks. Yes. So and I personally there's a lot of different points of view. Yeah. Personally, I'm OK with any way we go. But if we pave it and there's no traffic calming, regardless of the island's days, no one in that neighborhood has a right or will be listened to when they complain about the fastness of the vehicles driving through there. We're just going up the bottom. So one thing, Guilford, I was wondering, and I know we're going to, you know, we'll talk more at a different time. But when I walked that section, like I know that I'm going to included a crosswalk across Heather Stone at Pelham. And and that it seems like the the cross like that area, like right. If you're on Heatherstone, you're approaching Pelham. The the road widens a lot like as you're approaching Pelham so that there's like wide turns like in both directions. And that one, it makes them the stop lines go back, you know, further. And it seems like the sight lines aren't that good, you know, particularly from the right, because there's like vegetation. There's also like a curve and the hill and things. But then does the does the the width have to be that big at the intersection? Like, could it be like could it be not? It doesn't have to be like 90 degrees, but to make it smaller, because it seemed to me like it's almost visually, it seems almost twice as wide as the road. And and I really like the idea of having a crosswalk there. It's really good connectivity to the Pelham Library and the school and, you know, from Amethyst Brook and everything. But then it seemed a little daunting that the crosswalk is so that section is so wide. But to me, it is, it was just built that way. We don't know why it was just built that way. But is that something that could be included in the project to narrow it a little? We've been looking at it and we'll probably adjust it as we get through, go through. OK, but it actually kind of requires us to do work in Pelham Road, which we're not really willing to do yet. Oh, or just make the curvature less on the Heather Road part or something. Anyway, just my idea. So I'll check in with TSO about when their public hearing public forum is going to be. And then we can time maybe we could talk about it the next meeting. That's fine.  Those are the documents to read more about those communities. Thank you. And I would also suggest to me, look at the over in the UK, a lot of the travel standards, you know, they have a lot of mini roundabouts about that sort of size, too. So yeah, it's worth a look over there, too. I mean, I did have a concern that people would speed up like in between the mini roundabouts a little bit, maybe. Because I find I mean, that's true of anything, right? Well, I mean, you find that coming out of the larger roundabouts that it's actually not always that safe for pedestrians because people, the minute they get out of the out of the turn, they're going faster. And then it reminded me a little too of when yeah, that's why my street now has my street now has the speed pumps and that people want to speed up in between the speed hump kind of mentality. So yeah, it's all it's all tied together. It's all tied together, but it does does slow people down. It makes them more attentive, right? So. Yeah, exactly. It's a it's an obstruction in the middle of the road. It's like beat it out. Sorry, kids are trying to get outside. All right, so I did want to just share quickly. I know we're going to want to break the meeting too. So before we get into any of these other items, do we can we have the meeting in two weeks, like on school vacation week? Or is that going to not work for people? I will be in Florida. But OK, I am not allowed to call in. I've just been given the hell no from my wife. So. OK, good to know anybody else is that a conflict? I will be back from where we're headed. So I'm yeah, I should be around then too. So OK, fine for me. All right, good. So it sounds like we have a quorum of us. So I suggest we do that because TSO is probably going to have to refer more stuff to us so that would be good to get that in. So we can let Amber know that it will be on the 18th. And that's a way better week for me than later in the month. So OK, so wait, I did want to share. So I did have on the priority network map for the bike ped plan. So I did. There is now a website that has the mapping of the bike ped plan. Let me see. With the old data layers from the Pioneer Valley Planning Commission, it was set up as like a public GIS viewer. Well, which one cool thing is everybody, anybody who like is at UMass can automatically get like free. Well, one, the viewer is free, but you can actually download all of ArcGIS if you are so inclined. So let me share that. So, yeah, so somebody in the town found the data layer and they put it in the viewer. So these are the one. So what this is, is there is basically there's about 600 little segments and in the legends, like, wait, no, sorry, in the layers. So there's so they actually had done it. And in terms of the GIS, they actually had one set of routes that were bike priority routes and one that were pedestrian. And they actually had them as like different data layers. But they got merged together into one data layer because it sort of doesn't make sense. Like if we're going to be updating any of these, like why would we? I mean, they're basically the same roads, right? So why wouldn't you just say on the segment of road? Yes, it's a bike layer. No, it's not a, you know, I guess it's a bike layer. Yes, it's a pet layer. Yes, it's a bike layer. No, it's not a pet layer kind of thing. So that all got merged together. But the thing, the reality is that they're on top of each other. So when I, I just went up line and I will share the link with everybody so people can take a look at it. And there's also a data file that goes along with it. So like, for example, in the pedestrian ones, if we then look at the legends. So, and this is from the original map. And Kim, I had wanted to reach out to you as well as other people who were on the tack when this was being done. But so basically there were, it was assigned basically in terms of whether it's like utility, you know, utility walking, biking, like utilitarian more or more if it's recreation. So there were some segments that are, yes, that are utilitarian and no, they're not recreational and some that are the opposite and some that are both. So like, for example, if we blow this up, like this is like the Norwich Hock-Rail Trail, which is both a commuter route and something that's also used for recreation. And then so Chris and I had met with a student at UMass, like I was at UMass who was willing to like help edit some of these layers to reflect the comments from the meetings we had. And of course, other people can take a look at it too. So one question I had just particularly about the pedestrian one, and I don't remember I was really talking about this so much when we went over the map, but some of the routes on the pedestrian map, particularly the ones that are these like not utilitarian, like just recreation are paths that are not used for transportation. Like, for example, like here, you have like Amethyst Brook, like the routes up with Amethyst Brook or you have stuff around like Cherry Hill, right? And so my question would be, should those be on our like priority pedestrian networks or should we more limited to spaces that we're actually using for transportation? Remember, if you make it and you call it a pedestrian access, it's got to meet ADA standards. Well, that's another point. So we talked about taking all the trails off because none of them can be the ADA standards.  There is a trail map, but I don't think that they should be like layers on this map. No. The ones and even looking at like the golf course, right? Like it was in the paper that there would be some routes, you know, with the golf course site that's being redeveloped that are wandering around. But then there's also some to actually help people get from like point A to point B, like to help people from East Hadley Road get to prom away. So that to me would be, it would make that actually, that would be one to keep on there, for example. So. Which one? I'm not like with the new golf, like with the golf course being redeveloped, that part of it is to have a path so that people on East Hadley Road can access prom away village. So whereas that's more, that's more like the rail trail, you know, where people are using it. Yeah. I mean, presumably that will be paved, right? It's not. And that would be probably like ADA accessible or something. If people are. It's not going to be paved. It's likely going to be gravel, assuming. But it would be, you know, it would have to have access. I'm assuming. Yeah. For transportation. So. They've been talking about going from the community itself. Yeah. East Hadley. East Hadley Road. I'm sorry. I'm getting confused on the route. Sorry, Marcus. The question is that we think the. You know, the sort of recreational hiking. Yeah. No off off of our map. And on a rec map. Okay. All right. That's what that's one edit will make. And so. Because I do remember that being part of the discussion actually remember because. Eve, you know, lives on this neighborhood over here. Yeah. And, and I do remember. Initially those paths kind of like through. The UMass, I guess it's UMass property there. We're, we're on our map and then we're like, well, they shouldn't be because they're not really public way and they're. You know, they're, they're not actually roads. So. Right. Yeah. Yeah. And this whole thing. I mean, I've met even walks through this. This is like, just like trails. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. For sure. And we also talked about. That we wanted it to be like the connectors. Like we weren't focusing on within neighborhoods, right? Like Echo Hill or my neighbor or anybody's neighborhood, right? We weren't thinking, oh, we want walking along this way. We were thinking, how do you get. Between origins and destinations between. Places where people live in downtown and between the village centers. Correct. So there's a GIS, there's a student who's willing to like help on this. So hopefully we can start to update the layer and then because we. Do you talk to Mike Pointer about this? Yeah. So he's okay with the student doing the GIS edits. Well, these are, I mean, this wouldn't be touching his original layer. Like this would just be a copy layer. All right. Yeah. Well, do we need to do that? If there it, are you saying that the layer already exists? I'm confused. No, this is a layer. This is a layer. Like from the Pine Valley plan. This is a copy. It's a copy. The issue is, is taking it out. Having a student work on it. Putting it back in and possibly infecting other files. There's some. So I think, I think it's fine. Yeah. I was in touch with him about it. Well, I'll have a talk with him too. Okay. We're having a lot of issues with a lot of things being corrupted by people taking them out, working on and sticking them back in. Okay. That's my only concern. The, I mean, what Mike had told me too is that, I mean, this is set up as a viewer right now, but it could be set up where a few limited people could have access. And basically these are just like attribute files. Like, I mean, these are zeros and ones in different columns. And so, you know, based on the discussions from those earlier meetings, we could update the zeros and ones. We're not actually, you know, changing. We're not creating like new line files and things like that. We're just changing some of the attributes so that it would just play differently. And again, we're only working with a copy. We're not working with the original. That's fine. As long as it's just the copy. It's the copy. But I mean, like there, I mean, there were some things that I found like confusing looking at it. Like, like some of these routes about like, where was one? Like for, I don't know. I'd have to look at it more, but. There were just some where it's, it was like a little counter intuitive. Like here, like why is Southeast Street, for example? And again, this is the questions where I wondered like, how was it decided at the original meetings? But like Southeast Street is shown as being. Like not utilitarian, but only recreational, but like. Most people, if they're, if they're on Southeast Street, there, it's like. It's the, it's because they're trying to get places to me. Right? It's not something that people are just doing leisurely because they want to. Yeah. Well, it's a pretty strong. I guess. Right. And there are very few houses down that way. I mean, there are houses, but it's not like a. Like some of this section, right? Like that's still a lot of houses. Yes. But I mean, in. It's relatively few. It's not. But do you think that that's right then Kim, that those would be like they wouldn't say. I think. Yeah. I think those are right. Yeah. I really need to review these because. Yeah. Yeah, it's been so long. It's been really long.   That's not necessary. That wasn't necessarily what we were. Like focusing on.  We had very specific. You're saying you're saying that we, what you were focusing on was a neighborhood connectivity and B. What was. Also the infrastructure and the density. Okay. Okay. Because I guess the third thing that. Occurs to me is.  You know, The Holy Oak range state park. I think is a problem. So, and I'm, I think Chris breast strip said that there is some plan to. You know, I mean, I don't have a new development down there, but I guess that's the other piece is it, even if it is for recreation. If we're offering recreational opportunities for people. I think we need to. Be thinking about public transit or. Alternative transportation access to those assets. Sure. The idea with these maps was to. To look at the notes. I mean, there's a student helping if anybody else wanted to help too, but to look at the notes. And to suggest some updates, you know, to the data layers, including like getting rid of the totally recreational ones. And then of course, you know, we could go back and we could redo it ourselves. The updates and. You know, maybe we could do the pedestrian one separate from the bike one or. Yeah, everyone do it. The layers are on top of each other. So that might make sense. And then also to get some public comment, you know, in case there's anything that are like missing. I mean, we did get public comment. I mean, that was why we did it. But it is so long ago now. Yeah. I think it's like 2017 or something. It's a 2018, 2019 plan. And so. Yeah. Anyway. At least we have a GIS layer. So that's progress. And so what are the next steps to. Like go back and listen to those meetings and write out what people say. Like I think, you know, sometimes, yeah. So like this shows. Right. This shows the attributes. So somebody could actually. Like look at modifying. I mean, we could write it out longhand, but we could also look at like, Oh, this is this Lincoln. We'd want to change it or something. Right. Like somebody could. Make suggested edits on the table. I think I would be useless for that kind of addicts. I don't know what you're doing now. But I could listen to a meeting and transcribe.  And with Jeremy and things. So let's have another meeting and talk about strategies. Does that sound good. For this now that we have the GIS layer. Yeah, that sounds good. Okay. Great. Okay. Anything else that we have to talk about. Yeah. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I was on the clock. I think we're. Are you still on. Just follow up on the engineers report come out yet for those two intersections. In front of the Fort River site. No. Oh, what about the engineer report for the. Yeah. Bushman, we have a draft. So what about to. Sorry. Just a quick second. Yeah. Is it possible to share that or are you keeping that in house until you get the final. Well, not. Then you can, then you'll see if we're worthy. Okay. Cool. And then what happened with. There were those few resident requests about. And we had talked about it too about like the school zones and school zone signs and. Whether you have speed. You know, variable speed signs and things like that. Those haven't come to us yet. Oh, okay. Somebody said it went to the town manager and he was having staff looking to. I think they were a request for JCPC funding. They were, weren't they? They did ask for JCPC funding, but then JCPC said, oh, well, you should find out what the town and the. Schools want so. It hasn't come. You haven't seen anything. Okay. I know what they are, but I haven't been. They haven't been sent to me to say anything. Okay. All right. Okay. Well, hopefully, I think JCPC was going to decide they had a meeting today right before tack. So I couldn't do both, but. I'd really like to have it. Some kind of school zone. Signs with the middle school and high school so we can actually have like speed limit and speed limit enforcement there. Like that's a priority for me. So. Okay. Does anybody have anything else? Oh, and I did have an agenda tax role in exploring the creation of the transportation commission. So I had been in touch with the town manager on this, but he and I haven't talked. Per, I don't know a couple of months probably now. And so it seems like it's going slow, but he was originally going to send a report back to the. Council, I think by before the end of the year. And, you know, we're already. Pretty far past that. So. I'm going to reach out to him and see about getting it like back. Moving forward because. I mean, he and I had initial discussions about it almost two years ago now. So it's one of these things that just is taking a long time. So. All right. Anything else, anybody? Thank you. Oh, and Chris, did you have any safe place to school? It's Wednesday, May 1st, Wednesday. I'm getting you. Getting on a bike. He's got to be, he's got to be doing paving that day or something. If you do get him on a bike. Yeah. I think I'm going to be in that day.  The town manager and the superintendent, you guys could all be biking together. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.  Come on. So you're going to do it.  I mean. Depends.  We had the perfect weather last time. Wildwood. Yeah. Hopefully. That's on the way to school. Yeah. And they got a police escort last time. Yeah. And the police escort from Cushman down northeast to Fort River and from. Down East pleasant. And Kim, what do you think? Can we get any high school kids? Interesting. Yeah. I thought you said. Sorry, Kim. I shouldn't laugh. Well, she offered last time. Yeah. Actually, I have the. I think the president of the environment club is about to have dinner. It's my daughter's boyfriend. And it's about dinner. We're about to have dinner. What? With old food until commitment. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. We just kind of did not drive to school. May 1st. Okay. So. Chris and I received materials from the safe roots to school and we're going to have dinner. Did you forward any of that to Kim? I can forward it after this meeting. No, don't forward any materials. Don't forward. Okay. No, no, so Debbie Westmoreland has to sign off on everything. And what he sends out in the superintendent's email on Friday. Is then what we will all be using. And I'm not really letting anybody use anything. Okay. Oh, but I just meant for the high school, right? I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know anything or anything. No, they can't. The club. Just look up safe roots to school. May 1st. You can read. Got it. Okay. I'll do that right now. Okay. Cause I have to. Okay. Thank you guys. I know we all have to go. Hey guys. My daughter keeps going on and on about patches. You've cat. Oh yeah. He doesn't stop. He's so cute with it. Yeah, I love the cat wall. Cause I'm sitting right here, but.  I apologize. And I got a puppy. I have a puppy. All right. Anyway, next meeting. Bye. Thank you.


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