here so I was chilling getting ready for bed last night about 8 p.m. and someone sent me a link saying wow Dennis Dale is really going hard after you and I thought oh wow that's that's interesting because I've only ever had very pleasant cordial conversations with Dennis Dale he's it's just always friendly pleasant easy-going if anything he's you know placating apologetic what's that called when you kind of make fun of yourself just like the most easy-going guy in the world and then like years later like all this lava of rage and resentment and anger and disgust vitriol just will pour out of him I remember a couple of years ago I posted something negative about Black Lives Matter on Twitter and Dennis Dale responded you know to the to the effect of you know Jews don't have to worry about Black Lives Matter I thought like what kind of world does he live in once people go down a conspiracy rabbit hole like you know Kevin McDonald's culture of critique it's very rare that they come back out of it like why on earth would he think that the negative repercussions of Black Lives Matter terrorism would not affect Jews I mean it was it's the equivalent of believing that on 9 11 Jews were given you know special warnings not to go to the World Trade Center that day I mean it's that same level of conspiracy thinking I think about one Jewish friend who during the Black Lives Matter riots like some some black woman just tried to run him down in a car I'm thinking about other Jewish friends who had their businesses ransacked hundreds of thousands of Jews in America have been negatively affected by the massive increase in murder in violent crime in pedestrian deaths in driving deaths in the increased level of mayhem in society like what kind of might would think that Jews would somehow just be exempt from the wave of terror and murder and horrible behavior anti-social behavior as police are encouraged to step back from policing and bad guys take more and more you know dominant role in our society like what kind of thinking how on earth could you arrive at the idea that somehow as America goes down the tubes and America suffers thousands of additional murders and tens of thousands of additional acts of you know violent crime and just you know thousands of additional driving deaths and pedestrian deaths like what kind of thinking would would possibly imagine that somehow Jews are just going to be immune from the furies of Black Lives Matter terrorism it's like what the heck but I mean the vitriol just kept coming and so I just I just muted Dennis on Twitter for a year or so and then he seemed to get over that range and we had this really pleasant conversation about three weeks ago it was it was Friday evening all right I was getting ready to shut down for the Sabbath I made myself this delicious blueberry smoothie like I was just chilling get ready to you know turn all my electronics off just chill get moved get into the Sabbath and I was listening to Dennis Dale's stream and he he's kind of struggling a bit with the stream so he sends me an invite and it's like yeah I want to say say hello to you know my old friend Dennis and we get on and we have the most pleasant convivial conversation but then I turned it last night he's furious he's incandescent with rage that I ended it after 50 minutes he says that I lack social graces which is which is true I do lack a lot of social graces but I have a lot of commitments that are bigger than live streaming whether it's live streaming on my channel live streaming on someone else's channel the Sabbath for me is a hot out all right I'm going to get off a live stream as the Sabbath approaches that the Sabbath was was approaching in just a few minutes I believe it might have been less than five minutes it's like oh I'm sorry Dennis I've got to go and I just ended it there because I have commitments I've obligations right I have things in my life that transcend you know my own personal feelings and proclivity so one of them is the Sabbath you know in other words my general commitment to orthodox Judaism another is my commitment to the spiritual principles and practices and and steps and philosophies and communities of the various 12-step programs including sponsors just people I go to meetings with people I know from from meetings I have a commitment there that transcends live streaming right it's more important to me to do my 12-step work than to you know come on and do a live stream and you know be another ill-informed unsuccessful podcast bro I mean I I enjoy the heck out of this right Henry Claymore had a great comment on I think on my other YouTube channel he said I can't take you in more than small doses because you've got this permanent smirk on your face all right you've just got this smug look on your face and it's right I'm just yeah I really happy with the direction of the stream I really happy with the direction of my life I really happy you know with the amount of love that I've got going on in my life I kept being pretty happy guy particularly over the last seven years and I feel like in the discussions that we're having on this channel you know we're getting near and nearer to reality or if you've got a spiritual transcendent ethic you know we're getting near and nearer to God God reality be the same thing to me and so I think we developed some you know pretty effective principles for navigating life so recognizing that we're not that important all right if I die tonight a few dozen people will be sad and a few hundred people will miss me to some mild degree but within six months there are no more than a few people will have a serious void in their life if I disappear like I do a show and 10 20 30 people watch it live and a few hundred maybe a thousand or two thousand people you know watch it within a week and that's it it's a really small audience and it just amuses the heck out of me when I check out other live streams like JF Grp or Tucker Carlson or Dennis Prager or Ben Shapiro or you know Fox News or syndicated right wing talkers like how shallow and silly it is and so a major theme of my show over the past few months is how stupid a lot of right wing discourse is and so yeah I'm pretty much permanently amused at the same time with a very keen awareness that at any time you know everything may just disappear for me right I got a fainting spell a week or so ago where everything was going swimmingly I was just like running down the street and then suddenly like I just felt like I was about to faint and you know I thought my life was over I mean we all just incredibly vulnerable and no matter how confident how smug how much we smirk you know we're all incredibly vulnerable you know any moment we'll start feeling small in a big world we might be absolutely helpless and so like out of the blue like after this really pleasant conversation I had with with Dennis Dale like he just goes on this tirade I mean this really personal attack is primarily personal it wasn't it wasn't you know major major League disagreements what was his oh yeah I mean it was just kind of amusing so he took apparently took great offense why wait I'm featured in the why is the right so stupid broadcast what you're trying to say look well I was just on the show with you and I said to you Dennis that a major focus of my show is how moronic right wing discourse has become but Dennis personalizes everything and you never know it until months or years later when it just you know pours out in like a volcanic eruption of rage and then he's talking on the stream last night saying and you know trust you're hearing this Luke and I'm talking to you and I stand behind these words right this is you know this is me just giving you some hard truths right and and then he deletes the stream right so if you get to go on a tirade against someone like you know just pile on the personal attacks all right if you stand behind it then stand behind it and don't delete it if you don't stand behind it if you regret it if you want to reframe it or rephrase it or take back what you said then you should also go public saying hey I made a mistake right I disagree with Luke about XYZ but I'm now embarrassed that I said you know GF why but no he just like goes on this this tirade a personal attack you know just incandescent rage and then a couple hours later you know apparently deletes the stream and what's really amusing is that most of my regulars are in the stream saying yes Dennis you're the king go Dennis you're so right looks absolutely insufferable you know smug poppers prick you're really nailing him and Dennis was giving a great stream like it was compelling it was funny some of his you know criticisms of me you know a pretty damn accurate I was like oh yeah he's got a good point there you know I'm listening is that oh you know there's another good point and it's like oh can't argue with him there like he made a lot of you know really sharp accurate observations about you know all sorts of blind spots that I have and it's like and he and then he went on to other topics like he's thinking about doing a geographic he's unhappy with his life in Portland and he feels like he'll be you know happier perhaps if he moves to California that do a draft geographic maybe you know what's holding me back in Portland won't follow me to Southern California reminiscing about I think in the Marines like just a wonderful show he's got this great radio voice he's got you know very compelling presentation like just incredibly likeable man like I only had positive pretty much interactions with Dennis he's like very easy going unpretentious you know sort of the earth like good neighbor good friend type of bloke you know I reached out to him this morning said hey you know you want to talk about us you know when you delete the stream like here's my phone number if you want to talk about it or if you want to come on my stream or I'll come on your stream if you want to talk this through but I don't think he has any interest like what he was saying last night was like f off Luke and another really amusing thing about the stream so and following on a comments he made years ago about how how Jews are not going to be negatively affected some reason they've got you know the magic decoder ring that enables them to just bypass all the negative repercussions of Black Lives Matter really bugs him that Jews are in right-wing politics so I'm not sure exactly which intellectual spheres he he strongly wants to be Union Ryan right he wants the all right distant right right wing politics to be absolutely free of Jews like at the Jews stay out of our space like is really important to him and so I just love to hear like which other areas of intellectual discourse would he like to be completely free of Jews and it reminds me someone else I used to stream with he wants all discussion of the Bible and of Christianity like completely Union Ryan just completely free of Jews he doesn't want Jews engaging with Christianity talking about the New Testament he doesn't want Jewish scholarship on on Christianity or it just you know just bugs the heck out of him like you know why don't you guys keep in your own sandbox like at the same time you know it would bug them if Jews don't join the right or don't engage in intellectual discussion of the Bible or the claims of Christianity so it's kind of that fascinating journey along the the conspiracy rabbit hole where no matter what Jews do right they're just they're anathema right they're horrible they're evil like if Jews engage they're evil why can't they just leave us alone if Jews keep to themselves and leave you alone then why do Jews have to be so standoffish I know but you can it's amusing when people reach a level of hatred of Jews so that no matter Jewish behavior is completely irrelevant to them Jews are damned if they support right wing politics Jews are damned if they are indifferent to right wing politics Jews are damned if they engage Jews are damned if they don't engage no matter what Jews do they're awful so I mean it's pretty clear from Dennis Dale's approach that he wants the Americas completely free of Jews he wants Europe completely free of Jews and I assume he wants the entire planet earth completely free of Jews and it's I mean that's really deep into the conspiracy rabbit hole to think that his problems and the problems of his people are primarily caused by Jews and that if a Jew comes along and tells you know a member of his people to go suck off his dog I guess people just absolutely helpless oh my god like a high IQ Ashkenazi Jew told me to go suck off a dog you know I'm the helpless victim here so you know where Jews are like 0.1% of the population like in Sweden or I don't know 0.23% of the population like Germany they're still running things because apparently the 99.8% of the population that's not Jewish is just absolutely helpless now in the face of a you know a few intense high IQ Jews and he sowed down the conspiracy rabbit hole that he thinks that Robert F. Kennedy Jr the anti-vax conspiracy theorist is some like major truth teller and how does he know that like he's praising Robert F. Kennedy his book how does he know that Robert F. Kennedy is a major truth teller because apparently someone that Robert F. Kennedy criticized on the Joe Rogan show doesn't want to go on the Joe Rogan show and debate you know Robert F. Kennedy Jr that the idea is that appearing on a live stream debate like appearing on a moronic show like Joe Rogan that that is the measure of the truth right that's the measure of intellectual honesty if you can't go on Joe Rogan and debate you know Robert F. Kennedy Jr right you may have a lifetime of amazing achievement in virology but if you're not willing to go on a low IQ moronic show like Joe Rogan then you're absolutely nothing oh the other thing that I found interesting that Dennis is upset that I think that people who don't know anything about a topic that their opinions and perspectives and views and analysis is not worth as much as those who know something about a topic so Dennis is telling you can anyone can be an expert you can go out and be an expert right like you can just go out there and be an expert guys right you don't have to learn all the different languages of the bible and all the other languages of Mesopotamia at the time the bible was composed you can just go out there and lead with your heart and you too can be a bible scholar and I mean I guess I'm kind of a leadist here I'm not particularly interested or filled with respect or you know I don't have a veneration for your views on the bible if you can't read the languages of the bible and you're not conversant in all the other languages of that time you just don't know anything now I may talk to you like if you're a convivial personality like Dennis Dale or you know my old co-host KC like if you're well read we can use the the bible as a springboard to have interesting conversation but if you don't know anything about a topic like why on earth would I accord respect to your point of view now you can be right I absolutely believe that non-experts can be right and experts can be wrong but that's not how I how I would bet right the race doesn't always go to the swift right and the battle doesn't always go to the strong but that's the way I'd bet right generally speaking you know the fastest most fit most skilled football team basketball team is going to win games right usually the most formidable trained most most powerful military with the best weaponry right is going to win over weaker military forces and so I don't believe that you can just go out and be an expert on anything you set your heart to right you can become a little more informed but you know don't talk to me about your brilliant insights into Aristotle right if you can't read Greek you can't read the original Greek and the other languages that were dominant at that time and you haven't you know studied the the corpus of Aristotle's writings it can be fun to talk to you like I I don't know Greek right I'm not an expert in anything right but I think it's important to develop a good epistemic network so you're not like wowed by Robert F. Kennedy Jr. and Joe Rogan and other you know moronic perspective I mean Tucker Carlson how moronic has his show steadily become it's become more and more outlandish and and moronic over the past year now it's still incredibly entertaining right Tucker Carlson as as one philosopher put it is a hilarious demagogue right and I respect and appreciate his skills at comedy and demagoguery like yeah like I give him props for that he's a really poor source for truth generally speaking and we can't all become experts all right it takes many many years of study to become an expert and usually you have to study under other people now it's possible on your own to get more learning than a PhD in a field it is possible but it's exceedingly rare so instead we have to rely on other people who do know something you have to develop a good epistemic network now I've been blessed all right in that I've never been offered fame and fortune to talk turn out the moronic trash the characterizes right wing talk radio and fox news right if I was you know I'd probably sell out right if you watch this show for you know more than an hour you know that you know I'm not the strongest moral character but it is amusing to see people like Ben Shapiro and Dennis Prager and Tucker Carlson you know kind of get on a high horse about morality and truth when the net effect of what they do is to damage people damage America and spread epistemic pollution like epistemic corruption that they make discerning reality more difficult on the other hand on the left I really enjoy the podcast and the analysis by the two lefty academics behind decoding the gurus Matt Brown and Chris Cavendore but they make it very clear that there's something far more important to them than truth and that is having a pleasant life and a pleasant professional ascent so they are never going to say anything that is going to cause them harm in their career or cause them aggravation in their life so the most obvious basic replicable explanatory truths such as group differences in IQ but they're never going to wrestle with that right they're never going to wrestle with all sorts of completely obvious truths because it's more important to them to have a happy life and a happy career and so yeah generally speaking I think you should follow experts generally speaking unless incentives are so aligned that what the experts are producing is in all likelihood not in your best interest and is in all likelihood not aligned with what is truth and so just noting the most obvious fact that different people have different gifts right that will get you removed from polite society so when experts weigh in on this topic they jump through all sorts of convoluted hoops to try to you know justify their lives because in the final analysis what's you know most important to them is their own you know peace and happiness and professional success far more important to them than telling the truth for other experts they are struggling incentivize to you know hype some you know unrushing danger because that gives them power and prestige like one of the best ways of analyzing experts or analyzing pundits is does this make the pundit or does this make the expert more important does it give him higher status if we accord him respect in this area if people follow what he has to say and if what the pundit is saying is in alignment with his own self-interest right and if what the experts are saying is in alignment with their own self-interest and higher social status and more power and more earning then you'd be wise to be highly highly skeptical but anyway this is from the show three weeks ago that I had no idea he was just furious because I had other obligations and I left after 50 minutes like I mean where is it written that you have to stay for hours when you enter a live stream like I had no intention of coming on he sent me an invite I thought oh okay I'll jump on but I've also got a delicious blueberry smoothie that I really need to enjoy you you seem to have a psychology that your first impulse is we're doing and then you'll try to talk yourself out of it and go well maybe there is some hope but no matter what's happening like if it's if it's bad it seems like that's just my outside perspective tell me I'm completely wrong but there seems to be an impulse in you that very quickly goes to we do it right so Dennis Dale from just what I see is he do Dennis Dale the public persona I don't know Dennis Dale the private human being we've had minimal private interactions I would say I've spent 10 times as much time with Dennis Dale you know public discussions on YouTube compared to any private interaction so I'm really only here talking about the public persona this is my shtick right this is my shtick this is my performance right this is not how I speak in daily life there are elements of how I conduct myself in daily life on the show but you don't know me because of my YouTube shows you only know performance look in in a certain arena right I'm not your virtual friend if we don't have private interactions I'm not your your virtual friend I'm just a bloke you know having a go you know another unsuccessful podcast bro offering an opinion hello well nothing matters slight overstatement but probably a lot closer to the truth than my own natural predilection it's just to believe that I'm awesome I'm important that I have you know great things to say that will you know revolutionize your life and that the whole world should be listening to me all right that's how I feel inside and it's ridiculous that is delusional it's a maladaptive right if I if I operate it like that you know my life would just go to hell now I recognize that my natural inclinations want to destroy me my mind wants to destroy me right everything that is natural and easy for me it is probably not good for me my my mind is a dangerous neighborhood that I should not enter alone I think much more clearly when I stand here and think aloud with you and get your feedback get your push back and get your criticism like I wanted Dennis Dale's criticism I want him to keep that stream online because if Dennis Dale makes a good point he made some great points about me last night that I was completely blind to like you know he emphasized that I lack social graces it's true it's so true so painfully true but it's true and I'm better off for acknowledging the truth of his criticisms and then are the offchains that some of his criticisms of me are not accurate then they don't matter right I can choose I can decide and then I can see my audience over there at Dennis Dale's stream going yeah you know Luke's a prick Luke's a pompous fool can't have a normal conversation with Luke and it's just hilarious because it's just so tempting to get your sense of self from feedback from your audience it's just so tempting to give an audience what it wants to hear it's just so tempting to buy into you know praise or criticism that you get from the audience and things like this when you see like much of your audience going over there and go yeah it looks sucks Dennis you're the king you're just absolutely bringing him down to earth it's like a reminder oh yeah I need to get my primary sense of self right from you know my own internal validation and validating those criticisms that I regard as valid so I can hear criticisms and critiques and and you know people poking far to be and I can just appreciate you know that which is true but I can let go of that which is not true and and it's funny to think about you know how easily it would be to be swayed but oh my god you know here's a regular on my stream and and now he's betraying me and agreeing with Dennis Dale's you know paid for critiques of me like yeah I've got an ego you know I get I get my feelings hurt I get my panties in a bunch I you know have you know grandiose narcissistic conceptions of myself now I've often tempted to you know uh put you know more stock in feedback or audience reaction that that I really should it's like ah that's funny what do you think my off base is there something to it now there's something to it I'm a fatalist somewhat yeah yeah sure uh but I don't uh say like now I'm not a believer like in a crash you know I I think that what I don't like is the idea that where we're going is going to keep on this trend and not that things are going to fall apart as much as you're just going to keep going nice so great comment here in the chat so this is what Dennis Dale guest was streaming with Luke once after that long I ate it yeah uh people take things really personally right uh what's going on with my stream and with my blog is that I say what I believe to be true and if it hurts the feelings of people that I stream with like tough luck like I completely disagree with the most frequent contributor to this live stream Elliot Blatt we disagree passionately over all sorts of issues it would never occur to me for for a second to hold back on what I believe to be true to try to preserve you know Elliot Blatt coming on the show or Colin Liddell coming on the show like I disagree with with Colin Liddell about many things and it would never occur to me to you know pull back on my on my punches of you know Colin Liddell's critiques because it's just so important to me that you know I maintain a you know a virtual friendship relationship you know with with Colin Liddell like I come on this show to say what I think and what I believe to be true but for most people who do what I do it's primarily about building relationships and forming alliances and not not stirring the pot with people who you know are important to the show so this isn't primarily about personalities for me it's not you know primarily about preserving my relationship with with Dennis Dale or Kevin Michael Grace or Ricardo or Elliot Blatt or anyone else if it comes at the cost of what I believe to be true I come here and I state what I honestly believe to be true and if contributors or audience members like if often every single person who's chatting disagrees with what I say and it never occurred to me to like water down well no it would occur like when you go against everybody in your life it becomes painful but I'm not going to water down what I have to say to you know preserve people's feelings right the people who are most important to me I would not invite on my stream right so the parts of my life that are most sacred to me that are most important to me that are most protective of you know I don't talk about on the stream I don't bring on the stream this stream is for talking about what I believe to be true and if what I believe to be true now offends Dennis and it hurts you know Dennis Dale's feelings or it hurts someone else's feelings then I just willing to pay that price I'm not going to you know hold back on my on my criticisms because I want to say network with JF Grp right I mean JF Grp will believe you know the most absolute nonsense he will opine on all sorts of topics you know it's nothing about just like Ben Shapiro and Dennis Prager and he's got a mission to feed his audience you know slop that his audience desires right you know Ben Shapiro Dennis Prager you know Fox News Jean Francois gotta repeat they are just feeding slop to the pigs in their audience just serving up the schlock and the slop and the junk and they're just giving people what they want because that's the way to make a living and like thank god I don't have to do that I just get to come here tell you what I believe to be true and if the audience doesn't like it and if I can't you know network with other live streamers so be it I'll pay that price I'll have a smaller audience right I'll I went you know have as many allies you know I won't be after you know network with other you know similarly minded live streamers because it's just more important to me to just tell the truth and then let the chips fall where they may they are but that's my fatalistic side you know I'll say but yeah I'm guilty of that definitely now what's your what's your genetic heritage um German and Dutch Catholic on the German side yeah okay so I don't think that's necessarily I mean I'm not an expert on German and Dutch I don't think that's necessarily is that something rooted in your in your childhood so for example I I've also been I've also had that impulse like when when people saw me at age five they thought I looked at sounded like a Holocaust survivor like an age five six age seven like I was that angry and weird and alienated from everyone and I just remember for vast worlds of my life my attitude was just basically effort there's no hope you know so for decades I I had that impulse and I still have I don't oh yeah another major I think perhaps the major criticism Dennis Dale had of me is that I was shameless right if only I had more shame only I was more content you know contorted by a shame so let's remember what shame is opposed to guilt shame is you feel bad about who you are right guilt is you feel bad about specific things that you've done but there's nothing good about having shame right you should you should have guilt you should be aware of the effect that you have on other people you should be aware of the effect that you have on yourself on the people who love you right I try to bring to this stream stream you know a a vivid sense of the people who I love most in the world and I would like to think that I primarily stream out of the emotion of gratitude for the love that I have in my life gratitude for the opportunity that I have in my life a desire to preserve the relationships most important to me who are not with other you know live streamers and and I'd like to think you know I come from that that place of love and gratitude that that's the that's the place to to speak from like to preserve you know those precious connections see that I don't see that in you with technology like sometimes when I struggle with technology I'm just like effort that there's just no point no hope so I I think I can talk about this you know I think I can and chat says Luke calling Dennis Dale a loser is typical Anglo-Saxon behavior well if you watch this show more than an hour right I will you know cop to being you know a loser in all sorts of categories so there are lots of areas in life where I am a loser and Dennis Dale's a winner to the best of my knowledge Dennis Dale has reproduced in evolutionary terms I am a loser at least that's what I'm saying publicly you know you don't have a right to all access pass to my life so for all for all we know they're like there's one or two children out there who I'm paying you know financial support to but I just don't talk about on the stream but let's say it's true that I haven't reproduced then in that sense I'm a loser so in some ways like we are all losers in life like everyone has very deep pain frustration like everyone has incredibly deep pain that they've tried to share with the people most important to them only to be subjected to the utter lack of interest or care or concern by the people most important to them and so you learn to shut up about the things that are most important to you I mean that's a painful part of life we all lose at you know much of life most of us have the experience at times of winning at parts of life and then most of the time we're just kind of average so the areas of life where Dennis is a winner and 40 is a loser there are probably areas in life where 40s a winner and Dennis is a loser then a lot of areas where we're just you know pretty much average and I don't oh yeah Dennis talked about how I'm filled with self-loathing I'm not sure I mean that there's certainly that that component to me but if I'm filled with self-loathing you will feel that right it will not just be explicitly in the words I say but it will be in how I speak it will be in my unnecessary tension patterns how I compress and pull down and distort my voice distort my back and my face and my musculature my my alignment my mood like if I filled with self-loathing that will radiate out so he was criticizing me I think if I recall correctly he deleted the stream I'm just saying oh I stand behind this look for it you need to know you need to hear this I believe what I'm saying but it's something like critique me for being filled with self-loathing and being utterly shameless which is a killer killer combination so I don't think having you know contortions of shame is a good thing but shame is feeling bad about who you are feeling guilt is feeling you know bad about specific things that you've done so yeah to the best of my ability I would prefer to have a shame-free life and I would like to be appropriately guilty for harmful things that I do to other people and to myself talk about what I observe in you because it resonates with me it's just that you know in different situations is stronger with me than in other situations so like if I have money in the bank you know I'm less susceptible to this because if I have a technology problem I'll hire someone you know or I'll buy new technology but when I don't have money in the bank and then I have technology problems or car problems or roommate problems or community problems or girlfriend problems you know that that hopeless thing just comes out but but let me let me move it away from like Dennis Dale the person let me let me move it towards the right-wing distance fear so a major moronic part of in-depth blood sports is you know people competing who's like a better person you know who is a superior you know man or woman that's moronic all right I don't know Dennis the individual and you know Dennis the live streaming personality who is not co-equal with Dennis the person like I don't know Dennis's deepest pace I don't actually nothing about Dennis Dale the individual beyond what he shares as a persona and so much of internet blood sports and criticism just conflates the online persona with the individual and then tries to set up you know one individual you know just claiming they're just so much superior to another so I may be right about say one particular area of public policy I may be more right than Dennis Dale but that in no way makes me superior to Dennis Dale or to anyone in my audience I could be wrong about 15 different areas of public policy and how well it doesn't really matter that much but it matters modestly like this is for this is for fun this is for for joy for for love for for challenge right I'm not I'm not changing the world here this impulse of we're doomed seems to be probably most resonant psychological impulse of which I'm aware on the right wing to right wing dissident sphere yeah why does you know the popular right wing you know pundits why are they so in love or why are they so addicted or so compulsive about feeling doomed it's unnecessary right left and right are simply evolutionary adaptations to work through selection pressure to pass on your genes and in some circumstances a left wing policy or politics is more adaptive to passing on your genes and in other circumstances a right wing perspective is more conducive to reproductive and evolutionary success that's it and really doesn't matter that much is present in the United States maybe you know up to maybe five percent difference for your average American but for 99% of Americans 99% of the time doesn't really matter whether Joe Biden or Donald Trump is president right we talk about politics so much the reason to be really invested in politics is because you love it right you can't do anything about it the the odds that you can have a substantial effect on the political life of the United States of America a country of 330 million the odds are highly against you so we talk about politics on this show because it's fun and it's a challenge and it's the equivalent of playing chess I mean if I went live streaming or socializing or studying Torah I'd be making money and I'm not going to give you the exact figures here but let's say you know my options are in the in the ballpark of you know 50 to 100 an hour right if if I said I was spending time preparing for my live streams just wanted to make money that's the the ballpark won't be precise that's within 10 percent of the the options that are available for me so to to do a typical live stream which lasts about an hour and I probably do an hour or so of prep right that usually cost me about $100 really in you know what money that I otherwise make and so I typically probably earn about $5 an hour for the effort that I put into my blogging and my my videos and you know I do them for fun or may even be closer to zero when I I guess factor in you know internet computer expenses people who talk on YouTube and podcasts what do you think I don't know it's a powerful part of it I mean I don't know if it's fully the most of it in that a big part of it it must be seen as frankly as a reaction to losing a reaction to you know the continuing just we're just getting battered culturally and you know I always say it's only natural it's crazy that we think we we what do we expect from especially from young men who feel like they're being left out entirely and some anger is appropriate but yeah I mean you're right it's there's too much doomerism but of course it might be an accurate I think it might be fully accurate but I think what's going on so my experience of doing as many live streams as I did with Dennis Dale is to me it feels like we were in the trenches together right to me this is mateship we were there in the trenches people were taking fire at us we were taking fire at other people to me it's it was very close bonding experience and so yeah it it stings when someone you're in the trenches with for years that just comes out and rips you to shreds but after you get over the sting you just evaluate okay what what's true what's valuable about the criticism and what's what's not accurate so you know I thought I had a very convivial friendly chat with Dennis Dale and you know I found out I was wrong you know don't enjoy finding out I was wrong uh am I just using people to prop myself up uh that was one of the the focuses of Dennis Dale's critique you know so let me think about that am I just using people to just prop myself up no I don't think that's accurate so I didn't have to feel bad I mean a lot of people that you meet in life are similar to this Dennis Dale persona I didn't know Dennis Dale the person but they will placate to your face they will be nice to your face and then weeks months or behind your back you know they'll just urr they'll just slash it and stab you I mean that's a personality right Dennis is not someone who likes to confront I'm not someone who likes to confront so a lot of people will be perfectly nice to your to your face and then just rip your shreds behind your back that's just the the way that the world is uh you know people will do you know a drive-by slash and grab stream and then then delete it and move on right just like uh people I stream with on this channel they had no compunction about offering all sorts of opinions on books they hadn't read like to me that was like the deepest form of corruption but uh their attitude was hey my life is great then don't worry about it so I think you know you should stand by your words if you say that publicly either stand by them or retract them or provide context for them but they don't do a drive-by you know slash and grab you know personal assault on someone and they're just deleted a few hours later and just you know completely walk away like gonna stand behind your words or uh qualify retract or you know amplify on on what you did I mean I was on his stream for 50 minutes like if he's so furious like why didn't he say anything on the stream on the other hand I'm consistently oblivious to how often I'm hurting and infuriating other people so he had some good criticisms there I do lack the the social graces it's funny I developed a an unhealthy dynamic with Dennis Dale that I also had with a girlfriend you remember our Torah streams I kind of I needled him a lot I sometimes wasn't very nice to Dennis because when I would needle him he would have the reaction of I'm sorry and that would lead me to needle him more even tiny little yelling at him which I'm not proud of like if his mic wasn't correct you know on the other hand there are other personalities like Ricardo who if I needle and he doesn't like it he'll go f you 40 and just like you know rip me to shreds so if you you know if you put up with if you put up with disrespect and abuse and God forbid I hope I wasn't but I'm afraid it was disrespectful to Dennis Dale at times and it built an unhealthy dynamic and he would say I'm sorry but then inside he was raging and all the anger would just pour out months years years later and I got into that same dynamic with my ex-girlfriend Christine I would needle her and then I would disrespect her and then I would taunt her and then I ended up yelling at her and the only girlfriend I had where I got into that dynamic but there's just something about the combo of the two of us that did not bring out a very nice part of me I was also struck Dennis was disgusted that I did not have the exact identical reactions to life that he does but I'm not constrained by everything that constrains him that I'm not twisted up by a shame in the same way that he is and but we're all different different people have different gifts and yeah absolutely I can be a hypocrite you know because I have all these allegiances to things outside myself there are so many different ways you can point to my behavior my speech say 40 you're not living up to a a higher standard but I have obligations to Orthodox Judaism and a very you know detailed corpus of law I have obligations to a concrete community to concrete 12-step communities to very concrete 12 steps 12 concepts 12 principles 12 tools you know various you know policies and procedures governing all sorts of different 12-step programs of which I'm a part I'm an alexander technique teacher right I want to embody the alexander technique for the great insights I got from the alexander technique is that all beliefs are just unnecessary muscular tension right may not be 100% true but it's like 95% true you'll notice the more intense you believe something the more tense your body the more relaxed your body the more free you are of muscular tension the less tightly you hold to any particular belief so I have all these commitments and allegiances to things outside myself and so you can critique me there are 50 different ways to Sunday by holding me up against these things that I pledge my my loyalty to so the alexander technique you know it really doesn't matter how amazing I am as a teacher there are some fundamental principles of the alexander technique that I want to get across to my students with regard to 12 steps all right there are certain fundamental principles and tools right that I want to get across to my sponsors and to people who call me for feedback or advice all right it has nothing to do with me there are these things outside of me that I pledge my allegiance to I think we've developed some fund foundational principles for getting closer and closer to reality in our conversations on this show such as you know we're not that important left and right politics are just evolutionary adapt adaptations to changing circumstances generally speaking you know experts know more about a topic than the non-experts we need other people we reason much more effectively when we reason socially when we reason together when we're challenging each other than we go off on our own so these are principles that transcend me that transcend you so there are all these things outside of myself that I live my life by imperfectly striving live my life by these transcendent principles and it makes ridiculously easy to point out I'm a hypocrite because obviously I don't live up to all these things so you know for someone like Dennis what what sacred text is he accountable to what what intense community is he accountable to what you know principles are laid out in you know what system of living that he is accountable to that you can say hey Dennis you're not living up to x y z right let's go back is it okay most people who have the time to do what you and I are doing right now let's be honest most people in our position are socially losers right yeah inclination and the drive and the desire to spend hours online you know critiquing society be wailing what's going on most of us are losers and and so I think what's going on here yeah most people who spend much of their time doing what I'm doing now are probably losing at the game of life and I don't exempt myself from that is it if I'm right that most of us who are doing what we're doing now are socially losers that's because we are wired we become wired to being addicted to losing and so we see everything we experience everything through the prism of losing right and it would be incredibly uncomfortable for us to do too much winning we we couldn't handle it and that's why like none of us none of us in the right-wing distance fear so remember this wasn't planned no prep went into this this is uh Dennis Dale sent me an invite he asked me to come on his show just a few minutes before the Sabbath and so I you know try to do the best I could try to create the most interesting show be the best guest that I could be make the biggest contribution that I could to Dennis Dale just like that's how I try to go through life like I usually up at 3am I'm excited about my life I want to make contributions to the world through my blogging through my videos through my interactions with with people through my commitments to various communities through through learning through you know these concrete connections that sustain me so what is winning so depends right we all have a hero system so it depends on your hero system so if you want to think in evolutionary terms winning would be passing on your your seed to the next generation getting married having kids uh most people should get their primary sense of meaning from their family so getting married having kids building a family for most people that's winning that should be the primary sense of meaning and purpose and excitement in your life people like me who don't have children who are bachelors we have to go out into the world looking for excitement we're constantly on look out for excitement so I get I guess much of my excitement from doing these live streams if I was married with kids right I wouldn't be looking for excitement because you get pretty much all the excitement you need just from having a family winning at life means not being in in a desperate straits right you have money in the bank you are developing your savings you are developing a sense of agency so much of your life is not you know at the the whims of other people or fates such as like having a long commute right most people find a long commute unhappiness producing so if you're happy if you're looking forward tomorrow you're looking forward to tomorrow you're winning at life if generally speaking you're dreading tomorrow you're losing at life that's really simple definition of happiness simple definition of winning look forward to tomorrow you're winning at life if you're dreading tomorrow you're losing at life you can stay together very long like I don't know what are like right wing you know youtubers or podcasters who they can work together for very long we all split apart you know fairly quickly and I think it's because there's we have an addiction to losing and I'm not certainly I'm not exempting myself from this I'm just this applies to me I'm a 50 so it's a very dangerous thing to interact with people who are addicted to losing right some people just have a fatalist strain in them and this is Dennis Dale a public persona all right I don't know Dennis Dale the person so I'm just critiquing a public persona a shtick that he broadcasts right which may be completely different from Dennis Dale the private individual but it's very dangerous to interact with people who are addicted to losing because they will resent you right they will they are addicted to feeling victimized and so if I go on a stream for 50 minutes spontaneously right he will hate me because I left after 50 minutes right there is no way that I cannot continually give Dennis Dale a feeling of betrayed because everyone that Dennis Dale gets close to gives him a feeling of victimization and betrayal and victimhood as he presents it in his public persona so it's very dangerous to bring like the wounded animal into the light into the sunshine because what happens when you reach out to a wounded animal there's like hold up in a cave they will bite you right so you interact with people who are addicted to losing they will bite you they will hurt you they will rage at you they may be perfectly nice and pleasant it even come across as you know grateful to your face but weeks months years later that will be sure it's like dig in the knife right and my estimate is about a third of the population is just addicted to losing addicted to hiding and to the extent that is possible for me I would like to have a a small modest role in encouraging people to come out of hiding and to develop their talents and to be a blessing to themselves to other people and to the world so that's that's the motto of you know some of the 12-step programs that I belong to they're bringing souls out of hiding and I like that motto it's kind of a motto for this show I want to develop a list of the foundational beliefs that you've kind of developed on this show for a more effective life but yeah 99 percent of the people who want to come on the show I don't want them on the show because I know they're gonna get back at me for offering them the opportunity to be more more visible and people who are wounded and addicted to losing they will get furious if you suggest to them that there might be a more effective way to live or a happier way to live I mean why do people love conspiracy theories like you know all their problems are caused by the Jews conspiracy theories appear to losers people who are losing at life and they want to find some grand big conspiracy that explains why they're not as successful and happy as they would like to be they want some you know magic key to explaining why they are losing at life and so most people in distant politics are very much like those people who escape from a lunatic asylum and then go out into traffic and start directing the traffic right now they've got a big old plastic armband from the loony bin but they're out there they feel qualified to direct the traffic right that's what most of us and I think that would apply to me in a lot of my online activities I have the equivalent of a bloke who's escaped the loony bin and now feels qualified to start directing traffic I mean much of what I produce online is just bonkers right and you'll never succeed with any movement that is primarily filled with faithless and losers right people who are quick to take offense people who cherish their grievances right people are on a good life trajectory and want to you know offshore that unto others and blame other people right you'll only get pain from interacting with them because I don't bring 99% of people who want to come in the show I don't bring them on so when you reach into that dark hall and try to extend a hand to a winded animal who doesn't want to get healthy right they will bite you I've often extended a hand into some dark holes to try to help someone into the light and they bite me it's the price of doing business other people genuinely want to improve and get healthier and some people some of the time I think some of what I can offer sometimes is mildly helpful I mean my demographic is you know largely men who've lost their way who can resonate with my own tales of of loss and and failure and humiliation and of course you know when you live stream right you're setting yourself up to be what's that thing that's filled with candy that the kids take a whack at right you're just setting yourself up to be you know a person that people who are frustrated will just take whacks at you because it's very uncomfortable to just kind of sit with your own frustration your own pain your own anxiety your own depression it's just so much easier to displace it under someone else like a live streamer it's like oh this this smug smirking 40 bloke with his fake Australian accent f him now as you develop a more productive life you start sensing the smell of people who are addicted to losing right the smell of fatalism on people and you will generally speaking avoid such people at all costs unless they want help and then you help them moderately but you can't help people who don't want to be help so always easier to get mad at other people than to look at your own life and notice how you're getting in your own way all right let's play a little bit more from three weeks seven-year-old bachelor's never reproduced I think we've got an addiction to losing and so we we we interpret everything to meet this need like I remember the most painful events of my life are when I am rejected like when I am pushed away from a relationship or a community and so I have found ways to re-experience rejection over and over and over again I put myself in those places to experience that again so you know talking on YouTube is a great way to yeah I I'm kind of humbled and humiliated and frightened by this this pattern in my life of just unconsciously bringing about the rejection that constituted the most intense part of my childhood so I experienced rejection growing up you know again and again you know my mother was dying of cancer I was staying in foster care with many different families I was moving around a lot I was you know I was bounced off the walls you know I just had the the heck you know beaten out of me you know kids would you know attempt to drown me when I was when I was little and like a lot of rejection but it made for the most intense experiences of my childhood and then I started to become an adult and I feel driven against my best interest against all sanity and reason to recreate that rejection over and over again I'm so impressed by Dennis Prager when he says he's never lost a friend I mean I can't say that I can't I mean I've lost way too many create more and more rejection in your life because you know let's be honest most people who do what we're doing damage our lives by doing this like usually we create far more trouble for ourselves than like positive opportunities and so I got hooked into recreating rejection I so stalwart of the show Art Bell thought it was a real tell on this show that I was drinking so much yeah I had an entire blender of a delicious blueberry smoothie that I was you know preparing to enjoy on my own until I got the invite from Dennis and I thought you know Dennis has come on my show so often you know 40 is time you know you go on his show you know give back a little bit see if you can contribute to to his show and so I'm enjoying a blueberry smoothie so what's the what's the killer tell Art Bell that I had prepared this enormous blender of a blueberry smoothie before I ever got the invite to appear on Dennis Dale I just felt some necessity to join communities that would reject me and to just recreate that the dynamic of being excluded and rejected over and over again my therapist said if I wrote a memoir I should call it be uninvited and so I think most of us who do what we're doing right now I think we're addicted to losing it's wired into us we didn't choose it so I'm there's no self-blame here like I'm not blaming anyone who's in this state and I'm not blaming myself but I think we're wired to to lose and so we interpret everything through a framework of losing and we need damn 40 this is great content man I am bestowing awesome content on Dennis Dale's show like how on earth could he take offense at this for having a powerful conversation here that that we always need to lose because it gives us it gives us there's a payoff for us oh the payoff is that we get to escape against responsibility and being like reasonable and responsible so I'm just coming to you off the top of my head any thought yeah no yeah I remember yeah Dennis had some really good criticisms last night of the stream that he deleted Dennis where'd you delete is such a good stream right it's just incredibly charming funny uh often you know very very accurate but uh I do like the social graces oh man there's one friend who often invites me for dinner and I often leave after an hour like if I'm bored in a conversation or a social gathering like I just leave I feel like I'm I'm 57 I'm just not gonna waste time in you know social interactions that aren't working for me so I also am not particularly into saying goodbye and that's not a high value for me so a lot of the more charming people I know it's a very high value for them when they're at a social event to you know say goodbye to everyone that they talk to I just I just leave I know I'm in trouble when I'm dating a woman and she is less socially aware socially skilled socially gracious than I am I mean that's very rare probably only 10% maybe 5% of females are less socially gracious than I am but on occasion I've met them on occasion I've dated them but that is a huge warning sign if someone has a few social gracious graces then I do but I don't want to be held hostage to convention and to boring people but I'm just gonna I'm just gonna leave and so I could have gone on Dennis's show and done a boring repeat of things that people on the right have said 10 million times about how the left is horrible but I mean that's boring that's been done to death I tried to produce the best show that I possibly could I wanted to contribute as much as I could to his channel his show to to the conversation that he had fostered but I mean some people just addicted to storing up they they get fuel from the enormity of the huge resentments that they built against others who've purportedly done them wrong and somehow denied them the success that they're owed all right the last time this kind of happened to me was Andy Nowicki right and Dennis Dale and Andy Nowicki very similar very conspiratorial fundamentally decent nice friendly affable convivial people like good neighbors good friends like you know Dennis Dale and I Andy Nowicki and I are not going to go back and forth you know bashing each other like I make this one video Dennis made here's one video I don't know maybe you'll have a follow-up maybe I'll have a follow-up but that'll be it like this will this will die out in in a few in a few days I think I'm pretty clear on my show that you know I'm not superior overall to anyone right I'm not a superior man I once uh ran through a red light about 70 miles an hour I could very well you know killed a whole family with my idiocy I'm just another podcast bro I'm another bozo on the YouTube bus you know frequently spouting ill informed opinions and this this stream the stream I'm commenting on Dennis Dale's stream it shows what a weak instrument reason is right you know what's really revving Dennis Dale's engine has absolutely nothing to do with me nothing to do with what I've said to him nothing to do with what he's saying I guess everything to do with the particular combination of his genetics and his early imprinting right and so the way I operate too primarily comes from my genetics and my imprinting my reason is a very weak read compared to these forces but I noticed with with Dennis and Jean Francois Garapie and most of the people on the dissident right they have increasingly entered a tunnel and they basically only talk to people who agree with them and they basically only read things that they agree with and this kind of narrows their focus and it predisposes them to anger because it makes them less able to understand the world around them so I don't think there's anything about this show I did with him that precipitated his anger right it has nothing to do with me I thought it was nice to reconnect with Dennis nice to have a call to your chat and if he takes you know tremendous insult and basically says fuck you I want nothing to do with you 40 that that has nothing to do with me right like he's angry he's angry at me but I have nothing to do with that I'm reminding him of some things I'm tripping some wires in his psyche in his soul apparently but has nothing to do with me I mean this is Dennis he's perpetually enraged embittered and right now it's me and now next I'll be at himself and then it'll be at somebody else there's somebody on the internet who's wrong a lot of distant right personalities are just perpetually angry and furious and resentful because the world is screwed them over is disrespected them but ultimately it comes down to you're willing to respect yourself do you live in a way so that you like yourself or do you have this perpetual need because you don't like yourself you have to keep offloading this self loading this rage and resentment at other people who may reach out to you and show you some kindness so Dennis wanted to know last night why on earth I'd want to hang out with people on the right or with the alt right I've never sought to bring alt right people into my personal life the alt right is a group of people I've written about and commented on and that's it like why did I want to hang out with porn people or criminals or mafia or any other subculture that I've jumped into like do you think I get any benefit from listening to Dennis Prager I mean I don't get any benefit from reading Dennis Prager but you have to choose some specialties so that you can bring some value right part of what you're doing when you're a live streamer and a blogger is selling your soul you are commodifying your soul you are taking your life and your feelings and your experiences and you know offering them up to the public but also you want to develop some level of expertise you want to have some specialties so I feel perfectly comfortable talking to Dennis Dale you know other people on the alt right and if they're not comfortable with me that has nothing to do with me that has everything to do with their own lack of comfort with themselves and with reality that they you know feel comfortable projecting onto me you know I'm the I'm the bad guy here but you know my my Sabbath my commitments my transcended obligations are 1000 times more important to me than appearing you know on a live stream or on a tv show and these things are personal right a lot of people just take things very personally like Dennis took great offense at the title of my stream about how you know right wing punditry has just become so stupid these days like he experienced my views on right wing punditry as a personal attack that had nothing to do with him and I think he's developed really poor epistemics and it pushes poor epistemics when he makes the case that anyone can make themselves into an expert and that anyone with an opinion is you know approximately is valuable as someone who actually knows what they're talking about you're not let's play a little bit more from three weeks ago um well you mean if you've been losing for a long time you might get afraid of winning because you don't know how you actually take some solace in losing because I think you said in there um it relieves you responsibility maybe there's a romance to it you know to to the losing uh it's a cope in that sense but um it's something you said I forgot that I wanted to talk about but anyway um you my biggest fear listening to you talk about how none of us can work together over here makes me worry that um forget the whatever the content of the cultural thing that's going on what's happened is winners and losers have been sorted maybe it's not meritocratic at all doesn't matter and we've been sorted by a sort of a stubborn individualism an inability to work together and that's killing us you know yeah yeah I mean look at how the distant right you know streaming podcast here we can't work together very long we always it always cracks this is such a high quality conversation I mean can you imagine being enraged and angry and furious like three weeks after this conversation when you know I came on his channel and I played a role in creating a great conversation this is good stuff here I mean good stuff from Dennis like I give Dennis credit for you know stimulating I think some good good ideas in me and I give myself some credit for stimulating some good ideas in Dennis what what a convivial conversation and then to be so angry about it it's it's amazing so you know as opposed well I don't pay much attention to the left but I gotta think that people on the left there are a whole lot of them who who are working together far more effectively you know I'm probably idealizing all right the left thinks that the right is so cohesive and the right thinks that the left is so cohesive because I don't really know the left very well you know I'm projecting probably all sorts of virtues onto the left here that aren't really there and so we are recreating you know rejection and alienation like even when we're trying to build something because we are just wired to maybe and and we've got stories for it that well you know I'm a herald truth teller I'm just not willing to make the compromises of these other you know losers you know and so there is that something going on there I think well I misunderstood what you said but I think there is something to that we're over here and we are more honest and and and that's because maybe it's because we're losers and we don't have anything to that that to risk so we go ahead and do these things which you say and I agree are kind of damaging to our lives and at the very least I'm wasting my time here you know yeah I here's one thing another thing that thing is going on and I got this when I was interviewing Andy Nowicki and I've taken an increasingly anti-conspiracy mindset so but anyway one thing that struck me from talking to Andy Nowicki that I think is is prevalent in the distant right sphere is that we have to cope one of our favorite copes is well at least I didn't fall for the BS man you know yeah there's people writing six figures those people are happily married with kids you know those people who have you know a position in blind society well you know they are melding the slogans of the you know the who dominate our society you're on the left and and record well at least I see through the BS man and I think that's like one of those powerful copes for those of us in the distant right is that we're so assured that we see through the BS that we're the truth tellers that we're you know the last honest man so to speak and you know hundreds of years from now people will build statues to us yeah maybe but this all sounds very good but I wonder if the other so I remember the following video I think is what really set up Andy Nowicki after I interviewed him and they can't examine whether or not they really do see through the bullshit here so I've had my share of failure in life I've had my share of humiliation I'm a 55 year old bachelor you can objectively look at my life and think oh this guy's a total loser loser what a dweeb shame had some talent but wasted it on narcissistic delusions and attention seeking and I think in large part due to my failures due to my humiliations I spent a lot of my life reading conspiracy theories and dissident points of view and I remember there's a great comfort to me that no matter my levels of humiliation and failure at least I saw through the bullshit right so everyone else around me was more successful and more happy and more accomplished that more you know positive things going on in their life but at least I saw through the bullshit on the Kennedy assassination at least I saw through the bullshit on voter fraud and one of my phases of like really delving in deep into dissident right materials was between 2013 and 2018 and some of that time was not particularly successful there were years there where I had over $50,000 in credit card debt and so by any objective measure I was coming up at the passing of the age of 50 by any objective measure I was just failing and failing and humiliating myself and failing and failing but there was one really solid sense of my self-respect and self-esteem that I had and what was that based on is based on well at least I see through the bullshit so everyone around me they're more successful they're happier they have more good things going for them but at least I see through the bullshit so I notice this with a lot of people who get into dissident materials and conspiracy theories it's inevitably that it's overwhelmingly marginalized people who get attracted to marginalized movements and marginalized theories right so it's in essence it's overwhelmingly losers who get into conspiracy theories and it's overwhelmingly losers who get into marginalized politics and any you know marginalized and stigmatized social movement right only losers are going to do that but even losers need a sense of self and so for people who are losing at life conspiracy theories are very attractive because they tell you that you're losing in humiliation it's not your fault there are these vast shadowy forces that are totally screwing up your life in the world and yeah you've had a lot of failure in humiliation but at least you see through the bullshit and that's also characteristic of people in mental asylums right they all not maybe all but a great deal of them are comforted and have a very strong sense that they see through the bullshit and sometimes they're right right sometimes dissidents are right sometimes marginalized people are right sometimes marginalized losers are right sometimes people who fail right you know sometimes poor people are right you know sometimes people on the fringe are right and the elites are wrong i'm not passing any judgment here but it is characteristic of the insane i notice that they very strongly believe that hey i may be a little eccentric but at least i see through the bullshit what happens i notice when people get more and more into conspiracy theories and dissident politics they become increasingly assured of their righteousness that they see through the bullshit and even though their life may not be working and maybe enduring failure and poverty and humiliation they have developed a primary sense of self-worth is that they see through the bullshit that they are able to look into the abyss they're able to deal with the tough harsh truths and sometimes they're right right this is not like judgment that you know i'm better than them because this is me i've experienced this i've gotten into conspiracy theories and you know dissident politics and my experience is that the years say 2013 to 2018 when i had a tremendous part of my self-worth was based on that i see through the bullshit i currently don't believe in any conspiracy theories which i'm aware but i really got into dissident politics 2013 to 2018 and became a large part of my self-worth was that well at least i see through the bullshit and guess what my ability to see through the bullshit was greatly exaggerated i didn't see nearly as clearly as i thought i did i was not nearly as superior as i thought i was i was not nearly as special as i thought i was i was not nearly as unique and wonderful and courageous and you know a true seeker and a true teller as i thought i was but i was deluded at a great overestimation of my hand ability to see through the bullshit so i'm sure there are some people in mental asylums and there are some poor people and there are some homeless people and there are some people in dissident politics and in marginalized social movements who do perhaps see more through the bullshit than the average person but i do notice a great deal of smug self-assurance that yeah maybe everything about their life sucks yeah that was what i came to mind after my andy nwiki interview so this is july 15 2021 their side individually there aren't they aren't afflicted by the same things but other things hold them together you know you know being on the side of power tends to hold them together because you said they're all working together out there but there are so many fissures right i mean if we keep talking about it now oh the contradictions are going to eventually bring them down we keep talking about it come on with these long firm long form youtube conversations surely they're going to save western civilization right okay what let's talk about what's maladaptive here you have an in-group identity i don't really have one i'm deracinated i mean i come to this late and it's frankly political and when you talk about yeah it's maladaptive if if if i live in la where i live is it's pretty i mean i can't i have to deal with trans people all the time you know i have to be cool about it you know i can't i mean i could make a principled statement why wouldn't you be cool about things that you have no control over right you have no control over the number of people who want to identify as trans like why would you not want to have the best possible relations with everybody in your life including someone you might be a neighbor who's trans or an expert in your field who's trans or someone who could give you a job who's trans or co-worker who's trans i mean i don't get the mindset that doesn't want to have the best possible relations with everyone in their life but instead wants to take a principled stand by being just a total jerk stand but i would never leave the house so but when i when you're talking about racial diversity yes we're talking about also a fate of complete that that they visited on the native white population of you know la and everywhere else um but you know i mean it doesn't necessarily an in-group identity yeah i think though with those high iq people who are good liberals good people uh they get together but they're they're confronted with things that come on that we know are outrageous plm the trans movement okay so all these things that that people on the right or on the left consider outrageous there's nothing you can do about it okay hey elliot blot is uh is around so let's uh uh let's add elliot blot to the stream elliot blot blessings bro blessings can you hear me i can thank you yeah right wow what a tension front week it's been bro uh how so bro i i had my own little uh social media drama this week oh what happened well i remember a conversation last week um i somehow made a knock-handed comment about uh collin and he became rather cross with me wasn't he joking i mean was it real i get the sense that it was real because he made two separate tweets about it i mean i don't think he was hurt by the sense but i think he was annoyed with me for sure oh i i don't know maybe i'm misinterpreting but uh my sense is that he was a bit annoyed yeah i mean very he was respectful and polite about it but i mean he accused me of straw manning him okay no them's fighting words to an intellectual such as elliot blot it's being accused of straw manning you must be incandescent with rage bro i know but like i'm like uh you know i don't even remember what i said exactly it was i that's something about russia gait right and uh i perceived that collin was um kind of believed the whole russia hack the election thing now i'm i'm really hesitant that you can talk about it


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Okay, we're back with no quick break there. I'm John Furrier, the founder of SiliconANGLE.com, and I'm here with my co-host as always. I'm Dave Vellante of Wikibon.org, and we have a spotlight, an ongoing spotlight on putting content into context. We're here with Tim Estes, CEO of Digital Reasoning. Tim, welcome back to theCUBE. It's great to see you guys. Yeah, we met last fall at Hadoop World, and you guys talked about how you were doing a lot of, you know, your main focus was in places that you couldn't talk about in the government. We tried to get that out of there. It's a great line, isn't it? I was just saying, to Rob, it makes it tough for marketing, but it's intriguing, and you talked about the time how you feel as though this technology has wide appeal in commercial enterprises, and so what's changed since last fall? Well, I did think both of you all, because you all made a great push about venture guys getting in, and since last we talked, we closed around. We're growing, we're making some big investments now, making this pivot to commercial, as Rob was talking about, and so, but thanks, people took your advice, and we got a great group on board with Silver Lake, so.  Always negotiating, always negotiating. You guys deserve it, and like I said, I was really impressed, Dave and I, both were talking after Hadoop World, that, you know, a lot of the Alpha Geeks here at O'Reilly Conference in Hadoop World, and I'll say, you know, I was a year and a half at Cloudera, you can just, when you see good stuff, you're like, wow, that's really relevant. You guys were really doing that, really bridging that theory of semantic web into practice, which is really the killer app for social data, and all data is to make use of it, and make use of it fast. Some of us, we call it like the holy grail, so I got to be a little careful though. I think one of the things in this space that, you have to always, especially come to this conference, you get humility out of it, right? Because there's some brilliant people here, lots of them, and I think we're trying to do something very interesting, and it has to be done, and so a lot of what I'm talking about this afternoon here at O'Reilly is what has to be done, but you got to be very honest about where you're at in the process. There's a lot of trust you're hoping people put in you, and part of that's being honest, first and foremost. So what kind of advancements are you seeing in technology that you're able to take advantage of? You've seen tons of technology here, but what are the things that are interesting to you? Well, I think really there's been, even since the last time we talked, there was some talk about at Hadoop World, but there's a major release of MapReduce coming out, MapReduce 2.0 inside Hadoop coming out, and one of the big hindrances in Hadoop has been it's fundamentally a batch processing system. So we're looking very, very earnestly at what will happen with Hadoop in the next year as other frameworks that help deal with real-time issues, deal with stability issues are addressed by people like Cloud Air and others. So I think for us, I mean, we are an analytics company making sense of information, but we ride heavily on the shoulders, you know, people like Cloud Air and others that have put out a great platform as, you know, Mike got to show this morning about an application we've been able to put out in the Intel space where we could clip some stuff we could share and give to him and such, but I'm, you know, I think it's got to be a team effort to solve a problem this hard. So how close are you guys with Cloud Air? Share with the world out there, your relationship with Cloud Air, do you guys have a partnership with Cloud Air? Are you using just Hadoop? What are you guys? Yeah, no, I think we have an announced partnership there. We have run on various types of Hadoop distributions. I think it's public knowledge. We've run on the Apache, the Cloud Air, we've run on data stacks and on MapR's version and IBM's, that's not terribly public knowledge, but we are close to Cloud Air, I think, part of that's Mike's a friend of mine. We've had a chance to go after some really interesting missions together on the federal side. One thing I guess I'd like to say is I think there are great people here in terms of technologies that they need to kind of put the investment time in. This is me kind of a little bit challenging them to help the guys on the government side solve these problems. We need more product vendors willing to fight and stick it out through the bureaucracy, through the confusion because that's what's going to actually create very effective call savings, change capability improvements for that area and that actually protects all of us. So I look forward, I really respect Mike because he's one of those Silicon Valley companies that has made the investment into the government space. They have weighted it out. It's a long cycle. It's not a quick cycle. The VCs don't always go for that. And I think- You got to pay your dues. I mean- Yeah, I think it's gutsy. It's a year of just slogging it out before you see anything, minimum. Oh yeah, I mean, 12 years in, yeah. I mean, so we're a 12 year old emerging company that has a lot of federal stuff going on, but yeah, I think that we need people like that committed in going after it. So I'll talk about them more and some other partners. I mean, Datastacks knew those guys since before they found the company. So they did some amazing stuff there. We're heavy users of Cassandra early on, still are, I think it has unique capabilities. So I don't want to be, if you will, like too much on one side, I want to give respect to where it's due. Yeah, it was different approaches to different solutions. We had Datastacks on earlier in East. Those guys have tech chops, so they're solid. It's not uncommon that you'll see, you know, companies start in the commercial sector and then eventually after the VCs, you know, are satisfied to go into the government. Yeah. Unless they don't have VCs like us, Dave. Yeah, that's right. Then we can do whatever we want. That's right, see? For those that used to be VC free, I'm no longer in the club, unfortunately. Yeah, well, good luck with that. Yeah, good luck with that. Yeah. You better have them far away from the kitchen. And the reverse is true like you guys.  I mean, for instance, CleverSafe's is another startup. They've done a lot of stuff in the intelligence communities. What are the, how do those disciplines apply to the commercial world, you know, without giving away stuff that you can't talk about? But talk about those use cases and how they apply to the broader commercial sector. Well, I think the biggest use case, and I hear it more and more, I'm spending more time in New York now. We're looking at talking to people in the banking sector. I think the absolute biggest use case that isn't well-addressed right now, and it's going to come from someone who understands secure data and noisy data together, is where you can take the data in the open world and make sense of it and make data behind the firewall make sense, if you will, in the same model. And that cries out for software because they don't want to hand the data to the cloud, which a lot of these banks are not going to do that for a lot of good reasons. Then you got to have software that runs on both sides. So you see that with what we're doing in our strategy, we have, since this is cloud, where we're trying to take very interesting public data sets like the US Patent Office, process that, connect every technology and every single inventor of 11 million patents since 1976, being able to weave that together into one common knowledge representation purely through algorithms without a lot of hand jamming and nice demoing of the thing. And do that on a public source, but most of our use cases are behind a firewall and frankly on networks, people can't even read things without clearances. So the ability to handle secure sensitive but noisy information behind the firewall and noisy information and diverse information at scale outside the firewall. Those two things are a very, very big gap, which I haven't seen anyone fill yet effectively and we're going to try to fill that pretty effectively.  We have a little data project that we'd like to brag about, but never show anyone because it's like a top secret project. Yeah, we know all about those. The Twitter data that we're using. So we have the tool that we built using Hadoop and HBase, where we take all the Twitter data and we look at what's going on with our audience that we're serving. The number one trending topic in the vertical that we cover is mobile data and mobile security. Right now, of the clustering around the groups of people who care about our content, that's the trending item right now. So I think people are trying to make sense. We had Nokia on earlier, which is also using Cloudera and they're trying to figure all this out. So why is mobile so hot? Is it because of, is it security threat? Is it because that's the best data acquisition side of the new consumer data or both? What's your angle on that? It's ironic because it's, I think the reason mobile is so big is that we have an internet right now that is, for the most part, uncurated except in very limited ways. Meaning you have to consume the information to know what's important. But you don't have much time to consume that information. You have a limited amount of time, therefore you either look at less information or you read it at really shallow levels. Now, what happens is we get addicted to having that connectivity, so we always have it available and that's through our mobile device. So I think mobile is trending up primarily because that's how we access the information, but it's actually an effect of filling the need to be connected to information all the time because we don't have good filtering. So I don't know, you start up with machine learning. I think machine learning is critical to filtering so we can recover our time. So big data will actually reduce your ability to use your mobile device? It already is. I mean, I think that's sort of the problem is that you're going to use it more and get less out of it because you have no more attention and until technology gives you better return on attention, you won't break through that. So mobile is how it should be. I mean, I think three or four years from now we're going to have a big TV screen that's a computer when Apple ships something right, like at the TV, we're going to have a phone and we're going to have a tablet and there won't be most of the laptops. I love them, but they're probably going to go away. I mean, five years out where most people don't have that. And so if you think about it. And also mobile, mobile and Dave was talking about earlier about what real time means is, you know, you don't miss your plane and you don't lose a customer. So you don't have to be exactly real time, but mobile actually is about real time.  Go take the section or not. Yeah, I mean, you want to do that too, dinner or whatever you're going, mobile is the real time format, right? So it's the most available to show that value. Did you agree with that? I do agree with that. I think it also creates some real troubles because the inability of the software we have now to summarize the information on those devices means we have to distract ourselves more and more. If you do that when you're driving, you could die, right? We have all these laws about this now. And so we are unfortunately working around the limitations of technology and how much we have to obsessively use devices versus use them for the ends we want. And so that's something I think that analytics and big data together versus just big data on its own is pretty key to. If it knows more about you in the cloud or even, you know, whatever's on your device running, then it should know how to prioritize things and know when to interrupt your attention and when not to. So Tim, let's drill down on a couple things on the spotlight right now. One mindset and two kind of practical use cases that are coming out as first steps. The people who are getting into big data and we're excited because big data is now being talked about in the New York Times, Wall Street Journal, although the Wall Street Journal got the story a little bit wrong, we corrected them with a post and linked to them. So they kind of got the big picture, that's cool, you know. People are asking questions, so it's legitimately now on everyone's to-do list for at least for the next decade is to do big data. A lot of people don't have the mindset, they don't have that culture.  And then two, some of the use cases and things that we were just mentioning around mobile, one of the top things that are going to give them benefits because people like to think, okay, I'm going to spend the time thinking about it. What benefits am I going to get? What's in it for me? Where will I see the improvement? So first talk about the mindset. What is the mindset someone has to have, whether the CEO, CIO or guy in the trenches? And then use cases. I think what's happening, the world is changing very rapidly where the availability of information at scale, our ability to communicate so quickly and easily, is creating an implied responsibility to have awareness over that information. Okay, so as a result of having an implied responsibility, we're having to re-engineer everything to hold the data and we've been doing that the last year or two with Hadoop, I mean mainstreaming, right? It's all about how do you hold the data and how do you process it? Now the real fun stuff is what do we process it with to get value out of it? So transition to use cases is how do we give people sufficient awareness so they feel that new responsibility which is I'm connected to the world, therefore I have to know something about it. I mean I'm not on social media anymore, I got off in some things last year, Facebook just was too much for me in terms of the eruption of an attention and the trust in privacy.  So given that. Uh-oh, and you know what's going on with the government. Yeah, well I just, no, I actually trust the government a lot more than I do Facebook just to be blunt. I mean, I think that. Whoa, that says it all. Oh my God. Like they're regulated, the people that do that on the government side, they have laws and regulations they have to abide by. Where is the regulations and what they do, when they go public what can they with our data? We should be asking that question right now. Okay, okay, side tangent. But what- Are you on Google Plus, speaking of trust? Nope, definitely not. So, but I say this because I really believe we're just starting to wrestle with the use cases which is what are the applications that take the data that's stored that we're now figuring out how to handle infrastructure-wise and make sense of it so we get value because we didn't put down 1,000 Odub clusters moving the industry because it was fun. I mean, yeah, it was kind of fun but we did it with the investments of CIOs because we wanted to learn something that would affect a decision that would save money or make money. Or for some of us on the creative side, it was to show something to be possible that was never possible before. And I think we're just starting to get into the fun stuff which is now that infrastructure is possible thanks to some of the infrastructure people we talked about earlier. Now we're in the area of where's all the value coming from. So, it's almost like we have motherboards. Who's going to build the CPU to make sense of the data? Who's going to build the memory, the fast access side? Who's going to build the graphics card of it? We are in a virtualized building of the personal big data abstraction right now. And the companies will do it first and then people will bring it back in their lives. Okay, we're running close on time here but I want to make sure I just get in a couple of questions on product and how are you going to spend that VC money you have? We heard from Rob earlier that you're obviously hiring people. But on the product side, you have a cloud now. We signed up for it. I got in there. I don't know what we're doing with it yet. I haven't played with it yet. It's going to get dangerous. What are you guys going to invest in on the tech and the product side? What's your key focus areas? I think that our major concern is to be the best quality and automated analytics understanding on unstructured data in the world. Because if you cannot trust it, you won't use it. And many people have promised and few have finally delivered. So I think that our primary investment is going to be on, it's only having the highest quality and going after use cases of value. So I mentioned dealing with large scale external data. So date on the web, we start with the patents. We'll have other data sets throughout the year. We'll show and announce and maybe very, very large sets. And then we're going to make it really, really easy for people to build applications on that cloud or build them on the system as it's deployed inside the firewalls of banks and government and elsewhere. So we think making it a solid software development capability for other people to build off of is a major use of those funds. And people kind of overuse the word platform. But I do think part of it is, how do you make a platform that people can show value from? And we'll probably show some of those in terms of applications. But I think we were trying to build an ecology around, that's an ecosystem that other people will show value from it. And we're going to take a lot of hard things people have not seen done before on that kind of data and make it really easy and then show what's possible when that data is available to you. So. Okay, again, congratulations on your funding round. We're glad that we could be part of it in some indirect way. I guess, you know, a lot to take credit for but you guys really did that on your own. Congratulations, great product. We'll certainly be talking to you guys. We love you. And want to personally thank you for the support of being a sponsor on theCUBE with helping us bring this knowledge out to folks. So we really appreciate that giving back to also helping us enable us to do the content and great stuff. Thank you very much. Thank you, John. All right, Tim, we'll talk later. We'll be keeping in touch with these guys, obviously. We love them. Great supporters of us and vice versa. We'll be right back. We're getting a little bit behind schedule, Dave, but it's worth it. And support our sponsors. Watch the ads.