So Katie, but let's start with seven because I think there are a lot of people in this room who are interested in seven And we just have seven and fifty-five Sandy is okay Yes And if anyone has sent me an e-mail of the weekend, I had no idea about that, so it's not an interesting experience. Oh, at your house? They still... They severed the line, they spliced it, and now the splice doesn't work. Okay, can we start with the highlighting house changes? That might be the most useful, and we've seen this. This was posted last week as well. This is what? This was posted last week as well. Yes, yes, I was reading it. We just missed each other. There we are. Thank you very much. Okay, so let's go to... Let's start with all the yellow changes that were made. Why don't you run through those one more time for us, and then we'll... Sure. So section one was the section with the CMS report, and what this language does is ask that a copy of that report come to the legislature as well. The date has been changed since the last last Senate. It's now coming to the General Assembly on January 1st, 2021. The word behavioral health services, the phrase was changed to mental health services. And then there's a new clause at the end of that sentence that says, including future plans for the integration of long-term care services with the accountable care organization. And then there's a new subdivision, too. This is in repairing the report, the agency shall consult with individuals receiving services and family members of individuals receiving services. So those are the changes in section one. In section two, this is also a report. This is the report on the integration of social services with the ACO. It had a date change here. I believe when it left the Senate was either September or October 1st. And the Green Mouth Care Board asked that it be moved back to December 1st. And then, again, that same new sentence was added in House Health Care that in preparing the report, the board shall consult with individuals receiving services and family members of individuals receiving services. So this stuff right there, is there any concern about anything that you've... or changes? Section 2A is the budget review for the ACO, and there were not any changes made to this section. Section 3 was the responsibilities of the Director for Trauma Prevention and Resilience Development. And again, there were not any changes made to this section. Section 4 was the report regarding the Dulce model and the nurse home visiting. And that was deleted in the House. And then, section 4 is the effective date and there were changes July 1, 2018. Okay. We do have written testimony from two years ago. Yes. And is that... This is where I couldn't access what was linked to it, so I'm just saying this first. So those... I had it. Would you like me to... Yeah. And maybe Sandy, do you have a sense of... Well, the reason why section 4 was deleted in S7 on the... Let's see what Teresa says. Okay. That'd be great. So section 4, HHS deleted section 4. HHS appreciated the additional responsibility to the Director of Trauma Prevention and Resilience Development enacted last year in Act 204. The committee believes that the addition, along with the ongoing work of the new position, captured the intent of section 4 without need for an additional report. Perhaps a joint memo from the chairs of Human Services and Health and Welfare to the Director of Trauma Prevention and Resilience Development to emphasize the need to assess the effectiveness of embedding social service provider in pediatric primary care, I think, practices. That's supposed to be the word. And sustaining a high-quality home visiting program could be sent. So in essence, what this is saying is that in section 3, the new responsibility that was added in this bill for the trauma director and Director of Trauma Prevention and Resilience Development is that this person is to serve as a resource and ensuring new models used by community social service providers are aligned with the state's goals for trauma-informed prevention and resilience. And I believe this comment is meant to say that that new responsibility of the director would encompass reviewing Dulce and the nurse home visiting partnership specifically. But it doesn't say that right now in the duties. Well, the duties of the resilience, average duties don't include doing this review. It's just that they're going to happen. Specific to those programs, correct, but the added language would be that the director serves as a resource in ensuring new models used by community social service providers are aligned with trauma-informed prevention and resilience. So there's that responsibility that maybe is broader or pertaining to other programs, but not specific. But it's not specific to primary care, nor is it specific to home visiting. Correct. Okay. Yes. So then I'm looking right now at our section 4, and it would be mindless walking us through our section 4, so we can see what's being changed and what the request is for a letter. So if you want to see it on your iPads, you can go to the report of the care committee. I have... Oh, you have ASPAS done it? Yeah. Perfect. Well, the language is the same. So in section 4, we have that by January 1st of this coming year, the director of trauma prevention and resilience development and the director of maternal and child health shall submit a report to the House committees on healthcare and human services into this committee in consultation with stakeholders assessing the model in which a social service provider is embedded within a pediatric primary care practice and the strong family sustained home visiting programs. Then in subsection B it says that this report is to include recommendations for further development and expansion of the models described in A-1 and A-2 Dulce and the home visiting in coordination with any proposals for a form resulting from the CHIN's review that was conducted pursuant to last year's budget. Okay. So, Sandy, can I have a virtue, Senator? Sorry. Is it okay if I ask you a couple questions about the ultimate mess? So did you take testimony from folks on the home visiting and the Dulce program, about expansion that's going on? So we spent a fair amount of time on that last year and we had a little bit of testimony about it on a standing contraception. It's this day that we did the following of June 27. I think this was a chair who is very concerned about putting into law things that seem to elevate certain very specific programs over others. We hope that actually quite successful in our committee in doing the letters. So as we looked at this it seemed to us that it would be totally appropriate to ask the trauma coordinator to do what you're asking as part of your job. Okay. And then in terms of the Department of Health would you bring any green at home, Senator? I'd like to talk about the home visit. I did not have green this year. Okay. Okay. I'm kind of ambivalent about the letter. Obviously we're not a full cohort here but we took significant testimony including from Scott Johnson on, Yeah. Sorry. That is his program. Yes. He has the programs I understand. But he's now in a different position, a different national position for consulting on some of the home, these programs. So it's not the same thing. And then the commitment of the agency to home visiting is very strong. We really need to reinforce that. And then finally the chins, using the connecting with the chins review that's going on, it is also credible. So. Simon, it's our understanding that there were actually several home visiting programs in place during this year. Yes, there are. But the strong families family sustaining home visiting program is one that I think is being evaluated as a pilot. So we probably need to look at that. Okay. So this is the section I think that we work very long and hard on. So we'll have to think about whether or not we want to relegate it to a letter or to have something in the bill. And obviously anything we put in has to go over to you guys today. All right. Okay. So we'll maybe just have to sort that one out. Is there anyone else who wants to comment on section four or S7 as it currently stands from the house? Okay. All right. Silence means something. I'm not sure what it means. So Senator McCormack, we just went through section four and the house. I'm not sure. I listened to Representative Haas when I I think that probably. Did I miss your testimony? This is a different bill. This is a different bill. This is section four of S7 that they deleted and that we would like to consider. I think our testimony might have been slightly different from yours just because of the time that we had to work on the bill and that's pretty standard. Knowing life. So I'm going to just I'm going to charge the three of us who are sitting here at the table with Katie to think about this section and perhaps our changes that can be made to it that are less onerous. For example, she'll submit a report. Perhaps it's a presentation. And then then perhaps I think the concern that I hear from the House members and representatives is the notion that we're identifying a single type of embedded practice and that maybe there is some latitude in evaluating other types of practices where we get social service and primary care integrated. I think that's what I'm hearing from you. Is that right representative? That's one issue. Another issue is for the chair in particular who is a social worker is to not medicalize too much. I understand that. I know that's always been a concern. We did take a field trip some of us to the Aperture Clinic in Stowe where social services and primary care are fully integrated. It felt more to me like the primary care was embedded in social services. So I think it's also in the eye of the holder. The whole goal is to integrate the two together, not one over another. So I think that this model actually begins to do that. It's where it sits. I understand that if it sits in St. Almond's and it's sitting in a primary care docs practice then people feel as if it's medicalized. What we're seeing though is that medicine is becoming, let's see, socialized. So it is a perspective. And I do appreciate your chair's perspective on that. We've had conversations. Okay. So let's consider this and maybe this will sort out what we can do and what we might want to do in terms of a letter or in terms of appropriate calls to the amendment. Thank you. I appreciate your comments. So good morning. So I am here to ask you please to concur with what we did. I know that it's tempting given the vote in the House to think that this was a slam dunk but it was not. We had, last year when this issue came to the floor, we had, we fought for hours and my recollection is that it passed on a party line vote before it was vetoed by the governor. I looked back at the record in the Senate before you sent it to us and it was very close to a party line vote in the Senate. Somehow we managed to make just subtle enough changes that we were able to bring our colleagues on board. I actually did not expect it to come out of our committee on the strong and long debates in committee about the text of the bill. And what I was finally able to do especially on the House floor was get people to understand that we're really talking about a rulemaking process that what we care about here is are the guidelines for the rulemaking process which is in itself incredibly rigorous and time-consuming and involves stakeholders and all of that. You know well not all of my colleagues in the House I think were so clear. And you will recall that they're really two different processes that the working group is involved in. The first one is any new chemicals to be added to the list of 66 and of course it's been five years and that number is zero. And then the second layer is okay I have this chemical in my doll. You know should the doll be labeled or should that be restrictions on sale? That's an entirely different process with a different set of criteria. And we tweaked all of those. I think we have a much improved process. We have the working group now meeting twice a year instead of every other year. We have the working group always being consulted on both the addition of chemicals and the other criteria that was that appeared under the existing law that that was the commissioner of health's discretion and we took that away. We also have asked for in addition we loved the addition that you made that allows the working group to come directly to the legislature to so I see it as yet another failsafe on the rulemaking process. So something starts to go through rules and the working group says oh we really were on board with this and they did come to us. And given the time that it takes to get something through rulemaking that's an effective backstop I think. So you guys did that and we went along with it and we also supported your requirement that they make a rule on how we might have prior notification in the state before a product is introduced and we tweaked the language on that to make it more likely that we'll get something. In addition we asked for a report because there were members of our committee who didn't just want to know that chemical X is in the product they wanted somebody in the state to say this product is safe and we understand that that's a big hurdle for the Department of Health so we have asked them to include that in a report back to us and to make I don't know if you guys got to visit the website but we did we had somebody take us through the website of the reports it is to call it user unfriendly would be an understatement it is almost impenetrable for people like us whose job it is and I can't imagine doing it as a grandmother. I use the store on the website and trying to find the toy and whatever right. So we believe that what we have right now is a much improved process we can argue all day about making it stronger in this way or that way but I would really like to see this bill go to the governor and with 137 to 4 vote out of the house I think that we're probably going to get a bill signed and so I would like us to do that. So I think the question can help us a little bit because I know that the changes that you made are not unreasonable changes you left the UBC code in yes and the dates have changed because of the time including peer reviewed studies you've added critical scientific information or evidence so you did change the word evidence and then including peer reviewed studies from ours yours had peer reviewed before before so and Senator McCormick had a conversation about this and I think that the critical scientific evidence cannot be ignored by whomever is using this including peer reviewed studies I don't think that we're are we opening the door did you talk about opening the door to studies that might be coming directly from a chemical producer that number one keep in mind the peer reviewed was part of your language we moved it around of course we expect manufacturers to have studies and that's the reason for credible and that's the reason for peer reviewed that's and that's the reason that all of that gets considered by the group and then I'm just going through the bill after consultation makes a lot of sense we put that in and you were conferred that the commissioner in consultation with the working group and then you've changed the word probability of possibility which does make sense do you, did you consider all the phrase due to the degree of or frequency of so I believe that we address that when we when we added in subsection D likelihood potential and likelihood of exposure okay rather than frequency the that is the report there's also the allowance for the working group to submit anything else here that we need to understand your perspective I do I do get it that it was a very strong vote in the house that you've made some modifications that help I I believe you've done that and I have to be really clear that at this stage in the process I'm not entirely sure that there's a change that we would necessarily be able to get rule suspension as I told you I was surprised by the strength of the vote and if there's we're the bill to change I'm not sure that we would have that kind of support and we don't force rule suspensions in quite the same way that the Senate the Senate is very local isn't it it's just different it's different so I mean the worst thing the worst thing that can happen is if we provided approved proposals of them and that was not automatically accepted then it would sit calendar it would remember we would get it out this year why I just wondered if we had a credible peer-reviewed evidence that the governor would go on with this version do you have any sense from the administration all I know is we had a long fight about that in our committee I think that's just a good point what you think is as a better change we felt that it was really important to not do the same thing we did last year I'd like some clarity I'm exactly what the phrase means including peer-review does that mean it's a list that has things that are not peer-reviewed but also things that are and it includes peer-reviewed along with everything else that is the concept yes that is the concept yes as we are taught by the legislative council including means but not limited to peer-reviewed evidence okay because that certainly doesn't matter what we do we're going to have to trust the administrators you know the working group and the commissioner of health in particular that in my view if it's not peer-reviewed it's probably not credible on the other hand when you're talking about children's safety maybe it doesn't need to be driven home you don't want the case of Eric because it might hurt I mean that's usually how to deal with child safety that's not an unusually cautious approach that's apparent I don't need ironclad proof that something bad will happen to the kids and there's a trick doing double blind studies with children yes okay anything else we need to know that's what I have thank you thank you so the one last question on S7 the as you can tell around the table we are very strongly committed to that section 4 that was deleted and so maybe it's a conversation with the chair she's on her own today I believe she is teaching today yeah okay thank you very much thank you all right committee let's start with the motion it might be easier to look at you want a motion I move the committee recommend to the senate that I concur I mean I like I feel like this is not quite as strong as when we sent it over and I was sorry it's me a little bit can we hold that fine well we just had we were just sitting here with representative so we went through a little bit of S55 and senator McCormack made a motion that we concur with a proposal from the house and so we're just in discussion mode but I want to make sure that we have a chance to ask you any questions and I think the one question that stands out more than others is on the credible credible scientific evidence including peer review and trying to characterize what that means including peer review and then what else would say on the long side do you want to sit down sure so you know one of the examples I would think of something that isn't necessarily peer review is is for example the NIOSH or the EPA list of substances that have potential to cause cancer so they develop those lists from multiple sources but they're not necessarily peer review so if the commissioner wanted to rely on one of those lists or a listing of a chemical under one of those lists I think that this language gives the commission that ability so I think that's one example other examples would be independent privately funded studies as well Michael that's very helpful so may I complete my thought yes you may complete your thought it does frustrate frustrate me sometimes when we kind of negotiate with ourselves to try to avoid having a direction but I realize that this is the nature of the process and especially at this late date it would be better to have something that will sort of reluctantly concur so and in this legislation look at how many times has this legislation been in front of us no we do not ever want to see it it would be nice to get there okay so thank you for that I think we're all good on this one so we'll take it upstairs as it is and support it and I know that there are people in the room who will be relieved that this is going to be going on you may never see some of you when you're here again no that's not true thank you Michael okay thank you may I have a you know oh sure no we're voting we're going to vote sit there oh no there's no no no I forgot oh shoot hold on we'll see if I can find everything once again Kayla had one in the bed she did yeah I wonder if that was the last one yeah probably so I'm going to suggest that on S7 that I would you allow for me to talk with the chair of the committee and see if we can get something that might support both of us I know she's concerned about medicalizing social services but at the same time to have some social considerations in medicine that's I think what we're moving from here I'll see what I can do I'm representing the cause will help me no you do what you do we'll see what we can get to are you around a little bit today I wasn't planning to can you hold on for just a bit so we can just chat afterwards Sandy did you come up today for the purpose of testing? he did and we greatly appreciate him I was absolutely surprised yes dedication but it was time well spent we were well spoken let's just take a boat here very good at filling your forms up so I think this is not here yes absolutely yeah 302 302 if we don't put the boat up on this okay so I'll get that up thank you


Hello and welcome to the Women in Leadership panel. Thank you for taking the time to join our GitLab culture open house. My name is Beverly Rufner and I am the People Experience Team Lead here at GitLab. I'm based in Johannesburg, South Africa and we'll be moderating today's session. Before we kick off, I would like to give a quick shout out to the work to make this event possible along with Megan, who is making magic coordinating everything on the back end. Let's get started with a quick few introductions. Starting off with Carol, who you heard from in the welcome session. Yeah, thanks Beverly. Hi everybody, I'm Carol Teske. I'm in the people success part of GitLab. I've been with GitLab coming up on two years, it'll be two years in January. And working on the, as I say in the people side, I'm based in Dublin, in Ireland. And over to you next over to Helen. Helen, thanks. It seems like Helen is having a little technical glitch. Can we hand over to Ramya? Sure, yeah, thanks Beverly. And so this is Ramya and I'm with the Quality Engineering Department. I'm one of the engineering managers there. And I'm with GitLab for the past two years and I just completed my second year last month. And I'm based in India and specifically in Chennai. And yeah, that's mainly about it. And I'm mainly managing the depth of products part of engineering. So thank you. Thanks so much, Ramya. Rachel, if you want to pick up next. Hi, my name is Rachel and I'm an engineering manager inside of the infrastructure department. I'm responsible for the team that looks at the scalability of GitLab.com. We have both site reliability engineers and back end engineers in my team. And I've been with GitLab for two years now. Wonderful. Thank you so much, Rachel. Helen, if you want to do a quick introduction. Yeah, sure. I'm Helen Mason. I look after the sales team for Europe, Middle East and Africa and Asia, Japan, Pacific within our SMB sales division. Wonderful. Thank you so much. We're going to kick off with a couple of questions. If you'd like to engage directly with any of the panelists, you can do so immediately after the session in the networking area. OK, we're going to start with the first question, which is what opportunities around mentorship are available at GitLab? I'm going to push this to Helen and Ramya if you'd like to kick off. Sure. So our people group have been putting a lot of effort into mentorship and what I find particularly encouraging is that there's been a strong focus on underrepresented groups as well. So as an example, I'm part of the initial pilot of our Women in Sales Mentorship Program. And that's seen me paired with our Chief Revenue Officer, Mike McBride, which I would never have got this chance in previous roles. And it shows me that GitLab, you know, really cares about the development of its employees. That's wonderful. Thanks. Yeah, so just to add to what Helen said, like we also have a few other mentoring programs as well. And I was part of the Minorities in Tech Mentoring Program, which happened recently. So that was like really useful for me. And I got, I mean, I was mentored by the VP of Development. And that was a great experience. I had got a lot. I mean, I learned a lot in different aspects actually. So that was a great thing. And this, in fact, this actually helped a lot, especially this is because Minorities in Tech, right? So it actually, it helped me to be, I felt more included and that really helped me to collaborate better. So those were a few things that actually helped me. And apart from that, there are also these programs called for external mentoring. We have these programs with Plata HQ and I did participate in that. But one of my team members did. And she had great feedback about that as well. And it helped her a lot. So that's something which I wanted to just highlight here. Also about the internship program itself, right? So we also have that, especially for the students. And that's another platform where we get to mentor people outside of GitLab. Great. Thank you so much, Ramya. I appreciate that. Beverly, I might just pop in there just before we move on. There was just two things I wanted to add. One, just for people internally, our team members in GitLab. And that we do have also an internship for learning. So if you're potentially thinking of changing roles or changing groups, there is that availability in the company where you can spend 10% of your time in another function. And really, I just added that it is an area for you before you make a decision. So that was one thing. And the other thing I just wanted to say as well in relation to the women in the sales mentorship program, as somebody who's mentoring somebody in sales, I would say it's hugely beneficial as well for the mentors. We're learning an awful lot and learning a lot about the different functions that people are in, but also learning from those that we are and then tease out. So I'm looking forward to seeing about the minorities in tech programs scale throughout the organization. Thank you so much for sharing, Carol. Our next question is, what are the ways in which GitLab is demonstrating a commitment to support gender diversity? I'm going to put this out to Carol and Helen if you wouldn't mind answering. Sure. We have a lot of initiatives. So our recruiting team is continually looking to make sure it sources diverse candidates so that we as hiring managers can make an informed decision based on a diverse pool of people that we're talking to. We also have a rule that states that at least one woman should be involved in the interview process. And as a woman, I find that particularly compelling because sometimes, you know, we may be able to pick up certain biases that maybe other underrepresented groups might not be able to. Obviously, we've mentioned the women in sales mentorship program, which is, you know, has the ultimate goal of helping women move up the career ladder within GitLab. And something else I think is really important to mention. We also have some initiatives to support our non-binary siblings as well. So we're we're talking healthcare in the US that isn't discriminatory to gender non-binary or trans folk as well. And I think that's particularly important because it isn't just male and female. There are other genders to consider as well. So I'm proud of GitLab for for supporting that. Helen, I'm going to hand over to Carol. Yeah, thanks for that. I think the few other things from a practical perspective, I'd add to what Helen said is that we do have a women's slack channel, which is a safe space for all their members to discuss their resources and feel connected with other team members who identify as a woman in the company. And from a company perspective, we try to have as inclusive benefits as possible. So one example is our parental leave, which is 16 weeks paid time off for those that are heavy, they're had a child or adoption in the first year of parental parenthood. And the other thing pieces around the TMRG. So TMRG is a team member of resource groups and we do have a women's TMRG, which again is a place where you can network, leverage resources and really is is a great resource. And I think all those things are are excellent. But from a company perspective, we need to be able to make sure that we're on track and we're measuring how we're doing. So we do have KPIs in place, particularly for women gender at the moment and that we are looking at how we could build these out further for underrepresented groups. But we more recently moved our women's target from 30% to 40% because we had hit the 30% mark and we now increase it to constantly push ourselves to make sure we are increasing the balance. And we're focusing very much on leadership as well. Like, how can we make sure that as women come into the company that they are able to have as much career advancement and opportunity as as anybody else in the company? So they're the other pieces that I would add. Thank you so much, Carol. The women's channel is definitely one of my favorites. The next question we have is how was how was your experience at GetLab been different than your experience at other companies? I'm going to push this to Rachel first, and then we'll follow with Helen and Ramya. Thanks, Beverly. I found my experience at GetLab was was interesting from being the first completely remote and asynchronous company that I'd worked for. And I find that even after two years, the asynchronous experience continues to amaze me. Initially, I found it quite difficult to translate the in-office experience that I had. To both being remote and then to being asynchronous. And so many of the techniques I have for managing people are based on seeing them every day and being in-person and how to communicate effectively in-person. So I found it a really big challenge to try and adjust all of those things that I'd learned to now be both not in-person and asynchronous. But I found that a lot of the other values at GetLab has made it easier to deal with that change, especially the one about transparency and having everything written down as far as possible. Without that, I think it would be very difficult to move to an asynchronous setting. But I'm thoroughly enjoying that change and the flexibility that it affords people in adjusting their work around the other aspects of life that they have to deal with. Thank you so much, Rachel. Ramya, if you would like to chime in. Yeah. So yeah, definitely my experience with GetLab was definitely different from what I had in the past. And this is my first remote company as well. And the best part about this whole thing is actually the remote nature of the company itself, right? So to be honest, it did take some time, like few weeks or so, to actually rewire and to actually understand what this actually means, the whole remote nature. But then when I understood that, like it gives me total control over my time, right? It's not like I'd stick to the nine to five job and then I should just work. I mean, it's not that I follow everything. I actually can decide what I want to do when and that gave me a lot of flexibility so that's something that I really enjoy about being here. So that's one of the things. And yeah, especially around this time, like when I should homeschool my kid, not exactly homeschool, but at least help her during her online classes. I can actually have this split, like maybe in the mornings, I just spend some time at work and then I get to spend some time with my kid and then get back to work. So I can actually break my day and this is, we call this the non-linear day, right? So this is actually something that's really great about being here. And I couldn't even think of it in any other company where I work previously, right? Because that was not even an option and it was like, this is actually great. So this is one. And the second thing that I really enjoyed being here is the diverse nature of the team itself, right? So for example, if I should talk about my own team, I have five more members in my immediate team and all the five members are from five different countries. So it's like, I've been working, I mean, I have worked with people from different countries in the past, but this is like, I've never worked in such a diverse team, definitely. And yeah, this is actually very nice to understand the culture and the uniqueness of different people as well as to understand the differences in how, I mean, the culture basically. And what I really feel is one thing that we could actually agree on. And I mean, I feel that the bit like values, right? So whatever is defined. And those are few things where we can actually, we can think of it as a unified culture and we can actually, we usually get to that and help use that during our interactions as well. So that's another thing that I really like about being here. And yeah, definitely this is like, these are few things that I totally enjoy about being here. So much Ramya, I'm gonna hand over to Helen. Yeah, I agree with everything that's been said so far. And I think one of the things that really has struck me since I joined GitLab is that we actually, we actually talk the talk as well as walking the walk. So, I've worked for a lot of companies where they talk about diversity and how important it is. And eventually you start to think, actually this is just words on the wall or this is just words on the website. But I feel like at GitLab we make such a huge effort to really live the values and hold people accountable for focusing on things like diversity and all of our values. And that's really refreshing. And I think a lot of that is down to the fact that it comes from the top, that CID is very, you know, very focused on making sure people uphold the values of the company. So it's refreshing because it's very easy to lose the values of a company if you're not keeping an eye on it. Thank you so much Helen. The next question we have is, what has been the most difficult part of balancing your job and personal life during the COVID-19 pandemic? Was this something you anticipated or was it something unexpected? I'm gonna hand this over to Carol and then we'll follow on with Rachel. Great, thanks. Yeah, I think a few thoughts on that. One is I had previously and then back in working in a co-working space because I found that that's how I make remote work for me. But when we were in full lockdown, for me, I was having to work from home all the time. And finally, when you're in a co-working space, you force boundaries, right? Cause you're getting out, you're walking, you're getting to your space. And I had those boundaries in place and I hadn't worked out. And then all of a sudden I'm at home and I think it was two days where I, you know, leave and forgot to go for a walk or forgot to actually put in those boundaries. So it took a bit of time to figure out, okay, what am I going to do to be able to replicate the boundaries that I had when I was in my workspace? So I think that was one thing. And the other piece, I guess, is as well, like as a leader is helping the team members with their struggles. So for unbalancing the workload because a lot of people, whether it's, you know, you're in the environment you're in, it's very difficult or you have elderly parents or your kids or, you know, it's people that you're looking after in your community. It was all of a sudden that you were thrust into this and you had a job that was really busy. And how do you make sure that we can balance and make sure that we are having friends and family and yourself as a priority while still getting what we needed to do in the job done. And that I think, I wasn't sure, I anticipated the energy level it would take as a leader to be able to do that. And also because you're empathizing with your team as well and like you feel for them and you want to be able to fix things and you can't necessarily. So all you can do is really make sure that they feel empowered to take the time that they need. And if things need to slip and we need to push it out, that that is okay. And Carol, Rachel, do you want to chime in? I completely agree with Carol there about the energy levels because I found at the beginning of the lockdown period for us, I didn't find that it was too much of an adjustment in the sense of working from home because I was already working from home. And yes, my daughter was home from nursery a lot more but we had systems in place where that didn't feel like it was an overwhelming thing for us to handle. But I still found myself absolutely exhausted at the end of the day and I couldn't quite figure out why until I realized that I was investing a lot of energy in the team and a lot of energy in trying to figure out how people were doing what they were capable of, how I was gonna translate that into the results for the team and how I would report that up. And usually there are people on the team who are going through difficult things but usually it's one person at a time and now it was everyone on the team having a difficult time at the same time. And I just didn't anticipate how difficult it was to try and be present with all of those people at the same time through the same difficult experience. And yeah, I just didn't anticipate how much energy that would take to resolve and it meant quite quickly having to make some changes to just make sure that there was a good space available in my head from work but also from the person like dealing with home stuff. And once I figured out how to do that it felt like the rest of the lockdown period was a lot more manageable. But yes, putting so much energy into the team I think this was really important but super exhausting. Thank you so much, Rachel. I think there are a bunch of managers that would share their sentiments at the moment. Okay, our next question is what has been the most difficult parts of balancing... Oh, no. Sorry, wrong question. What unique challenges have you faced as a woman in leadership? What advice would you give to other women as they pursue leadership positions in their own careers? I'm gonna ask Carol to kick this one off. If she can find her mute puppet, there we go. And so I have always had imposter syndrome and it shows up in different levels, I would say, depending on the situation I'm in. I'm conscious of it and that's great but it doesn't mean that it goes away. And I think one particular situation that really stood out for me quite a few years ago is I was in a meeting with an all-male leadership team and I didn't speak up very much during the meeting at all and after it, a colleague pulled me aside, who was an ally and he kind of gently asked me why I didn't speak up in the meeting. And I told him it was because I was, I feel like I need to be 100% sure of what I'm saying. I don't want to say something that's incorrect or, and I also felt a bit intimidated given I was the only female in the room. And he proved me on it, spoke to me a little bit about it. One question he asked where I think it really kind of hit home was, well, what is the impact of you not speaking up? Like you have a seat at the table because of the experience you have, but if you don't use that, what is the impact it could have on team members, the company or, you know, on managers, et cetera. And that's something that I try to remind myself of when I am feeling that insecurity and having imposter syndrome is, okay, if I don't speak up, that's not good for somebody else or for something else. So it is, I can't say it hits the mark all the time, but a lot of the time it is a good reminder that I have for myself that can help me push out of my comfort zone. Thank you for sharing that, Carol. I'm going to hand over to Rachel. Carol has said there is a really nice way of framing it in terms of the impact on others if you don't speak up, because in my experience that some, I also receive feedback that using your voice is so important. You have a seat at the table, so use that voice. And it was the same. I would often feel that unless I knew 100% about the answer, I should probably wait and be sure, but that meant not using my voice. And I would forget that, yeah, you're at the table because of the experience that you have. And that means that what you're going to say is probably 80% correct, and it's not really worth waiting for the last 20% if you're that certain. And also the feedback that I'd received is that by not speaking up, it made me seem either disinterested or out of my depth in that conversation, neither of which were really the case, but it was so important to actually use your voice and take that place in the conversation. The other thing that I also feel is that in those situations, it can also be very tempting to look around the room and look for the differences, like I am different. And I think what is more, it can make you feel isolated, it can make you not want to speak up. And I think that you will get further if you look for the things that unite you across that table. If you look for the things that are common, if you look for the common goals that you have, I think that's a more healthy way to set that group up for success and to move forward. Yeah, the last thing I just wanted to add there is that also in leadership, people get challenged a lot and it can make you feel quite defensive when people challenge what you want to say and how you're saying it. And you're always going to get challenged. That's never really going to go away. But one of the things that I've found as a mechanism to deal with that is just to look at results because people can't argue with results. And if you can get your team to consistently deliver those results, that's the best indication that your leadership is earned and deserved. Wonderful, thank you so much, Rachel. We have got one question on the Google Doc and I'm just going to percolise that for you. Are there some aspects of GitLab's way of working that you think could be improved? I'm going to put that out to anyone who wants to answer. Could I take a first answer at that? I think one of the things that is becoming difficult, the larger that we get is everyone can contribute and that's great. And some of the things that are becoming difficult is when there is communication that needs to happen across the entire company and there's conversation that needs to happen prior to that. And I think as we grow and as we scale, that's becoming increasingly difficult to make sure that voices are heard but also make sure that action is taken. And one of the great things is that that's already recognised as something that needs to be resolved and there's working groups that are put together to try and look at this. But that's definitely one of the things that comes to mind but nice to know that it is getting looked at already. I think, John. I think just to add to that, while it's not a downside of the way we work per se, I do think that sometimes having so much flexibility can often put people into a bit of a spin. Say you've got kids and especially during the pandemic, they can't go to school. I think sometimes people can perhaps feel a bit conflicted. Do I spend an hour homeschooling my child? Do I spend this hour working? How do I juggle it? Whereas when you've got that clear demarcation of being in an office, there's a clear line between home and work. But the beauty of GitLab is that we're very flexible when it comes to working parents. We understand friends and family come first. But I think initially it can sometimes feel like, how do I balance my responsibilities as a wife or mother as well as a leader within GitLab? So that's not a problem with GitLab per se, but it is something people should think about because it certainly shouldn't hold anyone back. Yeah, I'd agree with those. And the only thing I would add is really how we can get better at helping people iterate when they come into the company and learn. Because iterate is probably one of the hardest values to understand. And that is something that we are actively trying to think about ways to help people understand how to do that more. And I know our CEO and I think Marin as well does the CEO iteration hours. So we're looking at how we can complement that to help. Wonderful, thank you so much Carol. Any final thoughts that anybody would like to share? Thank you all and have a great day.


Her first get ready with me Okay. Hi guys. We're here to film our get ready. Okay. So actually with me ever in Jeju-do Oh, and I was filming my vlog which you guys probably saw maybe but then to watch. Yeah So then the next day I Filmed myself getting ready But then the day before that the night before that we were drinking and like we were eating and stuff I was like so bloated right so but I decided to go on with it anyways And I filmed through the end But then since it was my first time filming and I didn't really know how to like control the lighting and stuff I had to like turn it off and back on and change the lighting like four times And then my camera just shut off so I ended up having to use my iPhone So it was just like all a mess and it was all over the place I was like I decided to just scrap it and just do it all the way Yeah, and I was like I should do my first one with Joan because she's so experienced and she's done this so many times So I was like I need someone to help me on my first one. So yeah, so we came to her house bare face Oh, I'm gonna do just like an everyday makeup look. What are you gonna do? Yeah, same for fall though. Okay, my makeup style changes during like depending on the season Yeah, a lot of you guys did ask for like an everyday makeup. So yeah, let's do it Okay, what do you start with? Um Some cream but I already have it on so I'm gonna go straight into foundation. How about you not in primer? I wish I'm too like a noob. I'm too much of a makeup noob to like use primers and like finishing powders I don't use any of that. Oh, it's over there. Here you go. It's gonna make your base feel like Velvet smooth and it also helps like correct So I love this because it creates a beautiful foundation. I say this all the time Beautiful canvas for your foundation.  So I'll try Mm-hmm, and the hourglass primer is actually like their best selling product Yeah All over Christine tried primer for the first time and she's like, I Get why people use primers? Yeah, because like all the makeup gurus and like I watch all these makeup tutorials and everyone uses primers But I've never I guess I never come across a really good one. I did try it, but then in Korea I really like the Innisfree free one the no sebum primer. Oh So good. I can't talk today. It's like so early in the morning. Hey, it's one I woke up early you haven't stretched your like yeah, I haven't you're like the first person I'm talking to today. So I just like oh usually when I'm in a hurry. I just use this foundation This Joan gave me this in a yellow one. Yeah, it's yellow when these things I actually started using BB creams again Yeah, I don't know why but this one really has like good coverage and it smells good, too Um, and I like it. I like the way it sits on my skin. So it has SPF 35 I'm gonna use the Toyota K cushion. This is in the Edward packaging. So it has that mirror Actually has amazing skin. No, what she's saying Do you see the difference in how like your foundation applies though over the primer? Hold on. I'll have to see. Okay. All right Do you usually just wear use the air cushion sponge and not like the This beauty blender or whatever Depends on what I use like for cushion foundation. I always use the cushion pops, but for foundation or BB cream I always use the beauty blender Do you soak it in water? I spray it with mist Sometimes I soak it with water, but then it just depends on my mood because I have to walk to my bathroom With the sponge.  It's kind of pot. I'll turn on the AC, too I do have a microphone, but if you hear a little bit of It's the Got my beauty blender I like to Powder my face down. So after you put the foundation Yeah, I don't need too much concealer. I need to have like Symmetrical pimples right here, and I just pop this one in the morning. So it's like red Pop your own pimples. I can't it's like you could see the past. How do I not all right? Stickers. I like stickers I did but it didn't help And what is next? What do you do next? Oh base on my eyelids. I just used the same thing that I used for my bronzer Oh, I think I'm gonna use powder at the end I'm gonna do eye makeup, too. So I'm like I've been loving the 3C palettes. Mm-hmm. So soft For the base of my eyes, I just use two colors and then just Usually, I don't even use this brush. I just use my fingers and Did you bring a brush because you wanted to use it for the get ready with me? Yeah I'm just like I'm using a primer from Too Faced The color is so legit. Oh my gosh, if you think I'm legit Dude, look what I'm doing for my underline. I'm like so lazy to use another but I just make it flat like this And I just hey that's more realistic though. Oh, but I'm not like I'm Nowhere near like Eddie's level and like other youtubers How long does it usually take you to do your like everyday makeup like 10 minutes? Oh, I'm just taking my time right now What you Right It's more realistic. So I'm gonna use this Color for base. I love the mood recipe line from 3C.  I need a lot of it right now from I don't contour as much anymore because I It essentially it's my acne scars. Really? Yeah, that's what you put concealer again after I always like forget about concealing Okay, and then for the inner corner, I'll use my hourglass I'm gonna use a little bit of yellow today in my eyes Your face. Don't forget to contour your Your what is this Your forehead We're both having a hard time And I'm going to blend everything together using my new 3CE Retro drive Yellow and orange. I'm gonna use the yellow to just like blend everything I've been wanting to do like a fall makeup look for my channel. I guess this is practice It was like inspired by like I use new music video Um, I'm gonna draw my eyebrows in now. I'm using Revlon's Revlon color stay.  It's so pretty. I didn't do it. I just did the base. Ah, it's in that base My bottom. Really? Yeah, that's it. That's all you guys using. No, I'm gonna put some more colors in Okay, okay. Yeah, I'm gonna do brows too since she's doing brows and this is the Georgia Romani High Precision Brow Pencil All my Georgia Romani makeup is from MoMA. Oh, you worked there Drawing eyebrows like I think the hardest part Because I don't want to look like Jungkook Like sometimes when you go overboard, you end up looking like Jungkook Especially me because I have like really dark and pretty thick eyebrows So even if I make a little mistake and put too much pressure on the pencil, it's like BAM Are you using brown because of your hair?  I want to see I want to see Ashley basically lives here. This is her second home. She knows everything. Yeah, I know better than you We're all your my kitchenware. Yeah, and your plates are yeah, I don't even know how to Control a little wimpy. You don't? I do. Oh my god cuz it's like set for for me But it's like the highest power. Oh, so you can lower it Tell you she's She knows this place better than I do Did you breakfast? I did. And lunch. You did already? I wake up so early and I was just sitting in front of my computer getting work done That's why um I haven't been talking so I felt like my voice was so like deep in the beginning of this video Good. I just filled it in. Okay blush time I'm gonna Use my favorite to see one. Oh my god. The color is so pretty so pretty, right? So today after we film this get ready with me We're also gonna film a video for jones channel and we're gonna talk about fall mustaps, right? Yes, yeah, beauty and fashion related.  Amazing How lucky of me? Oh my gosh. Oh, I just really want to get rid of all my freckles The laser treatment. It's so cute. Why? Yeah I don't know. I'm so used to having like acne scars But now that a lot of my acne scars have faded these freckles seem like acne scars to me But you really can't see it I don't know because when I'm doing my makeup, I'm looking this Looking super close up. Yeah, but like in your videos and like pictures. It doesn't show.  So I have like just a little not not too exaggerated, but I have like this mole under my eye And then I have this one. Oh, yeah, and then I remember in the beginning. I was like, john You have something stuck on your You're not the only one that has done that though. I know like a lot of my friends are like Oh, you still have like keem on your your face. And I was like, it's it's a mole I'm gonna do blush too for this blush. I'm using clio's shimmer peach Shimmer peach. It's my first time actually looking at the name. This is one of my favorite blushes Clear makeup is really good. I really like their matte lipstick too. Okay, maybe I'll contour my nose Yeah, I forgot to do that I have to contour me too You'll need to keep like right here This is like a very realistic get ready with me because usually when you're getting ready You're not talking you just want to get this over with, right? Yeah, I'm good Okay, time to curl z lashes I'm not gonna tighten my waterline today because I just want to go for a more natural look. All right, so I would usually Tighten my waterline with a pencil, but not today skipping that You know, my eyelash perm is like fading. So you got an eyelash pair. I did. Oh, wow I got it when I was in america because getting an eyelash perm is seriously life changing Really? Yeah, it saves you so much time the money Extensions fall off though The eyelash perms, it's like your lashes that are curled. I use two different mascaras This one for the top and this one for the bottom because my bottom lashes are very dark and long But my top ones aren't so I like to use a I guess more extreme volumizing Mascara for the top Yes I just wanted to go conceal my imperfections first. What concealer are you using right now? Innisfree's Oh, it's it's a mineral can stick concealer Innisfree But then my pimples the ones that have here right now are like 3d because they're like swollen So even if I use concealer like you can tell because it's just sticking out. There's like a new Pimple pad that my friend charlotte sent over and they're kind of next level because they have dense in them So it basically like treats it while it's on there. I'll give you I'll give you a box. Did you try it? Yeah, it works I need that because I keep getting like I don't know if it's like hormonal or like I don't know. I just keep getting a lot of pimples on my cheek area Which has never happened to me before and then since my skin is really thin It becomes an acne scar Even if I don't pop it and it goes away same Yeah, these said it's because I have a really thin like skin barrier. I'm just like What do I do? It's so frustrating. I'm going to use my two etude house Shadows mix it together. The first one is cappella te uyumani Cafe latte lots of milk. What a cute name. That is a cute name I'm hungry Hungry? Oh, you didn't eat it? What do I do? I have food My mom made jeonjorim Oh my god And hobak stuff I love pumpkin It's like the green hobak one. Do you like that? Yeah, ae hobak? I don't know Zucchini? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah I don't know what in Korean Ae hobak, ae hobak Oh like a baby hobak That's cute I love the Korean language I know They're very expressive And there's so many words to describe like one thing I know And that's why I can't directly translate it sometimes because When I translate it, it doesn't give the same Yeah, same feel Yeah, definitely all the time No one like radio and I have to like translate There's not really a word to like There's not a word I can really translate this into That happens like all the time Okay, to conceal I just like to use my cushion Yeah, I'm pretty much done. I just need to apply my lips Oh my god, I'm so fast I didn't even put mascara on yet Okay, I'm going to take darker color Which is sol sol malin sol bangul And then put it on the outer parts of my eyelids I like how you read the names I'll put it down below I'm fascinating I'll put the details down below in the description box I didn't put eyeliner in Should I put eyeliner today or no? Just the edges? Yes, that's what I'm going to do too I'm not going to tighten my water I love this brand Hourglass? I started lining my wings too But make it kind of natural I used liquid too But today gel And then I'm going to put some in my inner corners too That just makes my eyes pop a little more And makes it look a little bigger I'm using Mamonde Creamy tint Chic lip What? Do you have the English on the other side? Oh, the creamy tint Squeeze lip And this is in number 11, Autumn Rose I just love the names Of all of these fall colors But this is like a creamy lip product Just squeeze it out I usually go over it with another Mamonde product And this is a crayon This is just more For moisture to be honest I really like matte lips But like in the fall and the winter It couldn't get a little drying So I always put lip balm And then put it on top Yeah, you have to Ever since you were like You have to apply Like layers of Lip sleeping masks before you go to sleep I started doing that And then it's... Your lips are so soft in the morning, right? Yeah, I feel so blessed Wow Okay, time for the mascara My favorite Korean makeup brands I feel like the brands that make The best makeup in my opinion In Korea is Mamonde And Dressy I'm always impressed Every time I try a new Mamonde product They have really great eyeshadows too Like before these ones I only use Mamonde eyeshadows I feel like I don't talk about them enough So I will I don't think I own anything from there I think I used one of their skincare products before I like the rose toner Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, the toner Yeah, they have good products Okay, I'm using this Dior mascara now Honestly, half of the things You guys saw today that I used Or like I took it from my mom But I really like this Cause whenever I use this My friends are like, are your eyelashes real? And I'm like, yeah, so this I think this mascara is a good job Like a natural way to Are you done? Oh no, do you have a cotton swab?  You do that? That is so cool I learned this from my mom Oh my gosh I used to Do it too Like when I was in College I'm just lazy Where did you get that stick? I got it from my shop They always do this They're so professional They use like one burnt one And like one regular water one And then they like Oh my gosh No, it's okay What was I saying?  Where are your lips? Okay I like their New branding And the case is like very like Minimal So creamy I have to put it on I like to use my fingers To kind of blur out the edges Makes it look more plump Just make sure to Wipe your hands on wet wipe after So you don't get it on your clothes You have really nice lips Like the inner corners The inner corners a little bit Make it a little darker Finished look, I hope you guys enjoyed watching Oh you're finishing So that was our fall Get ready with me I hope you guys enjoyed our everyday simple makeup And found it helpful Also go to Joan's channel to check out our fall Must-have videos as well I'm giving you work so you put it Off in the cars And then put it in the description box Okay guys Don't catch a cold, bye