Okay, so thank you very much. I mean, maybe I should start by correcting one thing Lothar said. He called himself the local organizer. Well, I would use the word surveying organizer. So if there, so I mean, it should at any point someone start to thank the organizers that Lothar deserves the main credit. The rest of us were just helping along. Okay, so the goal of my lecture series is really to as the title says is to explain how to use stability conditions on the right categories in order to answer somehow basic concrete questions in algebraic geometry. And I mean, as you can see, already from this long sentence, there's a lot coming in, there's stability, there's derived categories, stability conditions. And then of course, I also have to explain some context to the questions that I'm going to answer with the help of these techniques. But for today, I want to keep it completely elementary and just explain thoroughly the first building block of all that, which is the notion of slope stability in a building categories. I'm really trying to make this talk as accessible as possible. So please, please stop me if anything is unclear. All right, so let's go right into the definitions. So for today, this will always play within one abelian category. And the examples I have in mind are, so example A would be that A is the category of coherent chiefs on a smooth algebraic curve. Smooth projective algebraic curve over some field. I mean, of course, you can do variants of that. So you could ask X to be not necessarily smooth, perhaps reducible. Or you could also think of another example you could think of is where X is a non-complete surface. And A is the category of coherent chiefs with compact support. But today, I'll really just focus on this part A. But I mean, if what I'm doing today is to elementary for you, maybe you can think along the way how to generalize these things to cases A prime and B prime. Okay, in the other class of examples that will come from algebra. So let's start with the quiver. It's just a directed graph. So I could have, say, two vertices and then some errors from here to here. Or I could have maybe two errors like this and one error back. Then A is the category of representation Q. So what it is, I mean, if you want, these are just functors from this directed graph to vector spaces over your base field. So let's make this concrete. But that's, of course, just a fancy way of saying you take some v, which consists of a v i for each vertex in my quiver. I'll use the standard notation of Q0 is the set of vertices. And Q1, the set of errors. And then a map Fij from v i to v j for each error from i to j in Q1. So for example here, for this quiver, I would just specify two vector spaces and form for maps between them. And it's easy to see that this forms an abelian category. So I think of, so this is my notation for an error. So any error has a start point i and a start vertex i and an end vertex j. Yeah, so yeah, it's an abuse of notation. So really, this is a notation for this error, one of the errors with start point i and end point j. And I could also add some set of relations. It's of example, in this quiver here, let's call this vector y and these two x1 and x2. Then I could do something, by relation, I mean something like imposing, say, x1, y, equal x2, y, or y, sorry, I meant x1, y, equal 0, equal x2, y, x1, equal 0, equal y, x2. All right, this would be a possible set of relations. And then you can also look at the set of representation, where each such relation is sent to 0, right? I mean, for x1, there's a corresponding map between my vector spaces for y. And then the conditions as if I compose them, then I get the 0 map in my representation. Okay, and so now the key definition is that a central chart on A is a function C from objects of A to complex numbers. So for each object, I get a complex number such that, so first of all, it is additive on short exact sequences, right? So this is really equivalent to saying the factors via a group homomorphism that are also called Z by abuse of notation from the K group of A to C. I mean, if you don't know what the K group is, you can basically recover the definition of the K group from the statement, right? It's just a three-year building group generated by objects, modulate the relation whenever you have a short exact sequence, then the middle one is the sum of the left one and the right one. Okay, and the second condition is that if I take a non-zero object, then Z of E is in the following semi-closed upper half plane. So I take the upper half plane, union the negative real line, and I always denote this by this black balled edge, right? So in the complex plane, I allow negative real numbers and anything with positive imaginary point. And from what, once I have this, then I have, I can define the notion of phase. So phi of E is defined to be 1 over pi times the argument of this complex number Z of E. Of course, the argument is not well defined, and so, but it is well defined if I stipulate that it's in the semi-closed interval between 0 and 1, right? It's basically just the angle here if I have Z of E, then phi of E is up to rescaling just the angle over here. Okay, any questions so far? And so let me, let me give you an example. So when A is coherent sheaves on X, then I define my, I can define the central charge to be I times the rank of E, minus the degree of E, right?  But I mean, some of one thing you learn in the first algebraic geometry class is how to get from a line bundle to a degree. And basically this degree function is the unique extension of this degree function on line bundle so that it's additive on short exact sequences. So it's really uniquely determined by being the degree of line bundles that you know and being additive on short exact sequences. And for B, here now I have a bit of choices to make. So I pick a Zi in this semi-closed upper half plane for every vertex. And then I said Z of V to be equal to the sum over all vertices of Zi times the dimension of Vi, right? And I mean, you should know that this is, these two cases are very different. Here, I have lots of choices to make. I mean here, I essentially made no choice. I mean, I could replace this i by any number in the upper, complex number in the upper half plane, but it would turn out that this doesn't actually change the notion of stability. And then you define an object of your abelian category is the semi-stable or stable. If for all sub-objects, and I should insist that they are proper sub-objects, their slope is less than or equal or less than the slope of E, or the phase of E, right? So here, I mean strictly less than, phi of A is strictly less than phi of E for stability and less than or equal for semi-stable. And I might sometimes also say I'm slope. Stable here. If it's clear what, what, what's the I'm referring to. Okay, any, any questions on the definition so far?  There are, there are at least three and let me, let me mention each of them a little bit. And so the first one is for boundedness of materialized basis. Bay of coherencies. All right, so let's say we take a point x in my smooth projective curve. And now if you take E n to be the following vector bundle, you just take O of minus nx plus O of nx. And this has rank equal to and degree equal to zero. But I mean, the number of global sections is just the number of global sections of this one. And this will go to infinity, right? But eight zero of E n will go to plus infinity as n goes to in plus infinity. And what this means is that there is no bounded family, family, parameterizing all, all coherencies with these invariants. But even, even, even all vector bundles rank equal to and degree equals zero. Right? So, so what I mean by bounded family, I mean that there is a variety or a scheme of finite type that parameterizes all such, all such vector bundle with these two invariants. So why is that not possible? I mean it's an, it's an, it's an exercise to see that if you had a bounded family, then, then the space of global sections would, the, the dimension of the global sections is always bounded in a bounded family. Right? And then the next motivation is the connection to differential geometry. Right? So here I have to assume that X is smooth, projective over C. And E is a vector bundle. Then E is slope stable. If and only if it admits a projectively flat irreducible unit, unitary connection, unitary irreducible connection. Right? So that's a famous result from not already 50, more than 50 years old by Narazimhan and Sishadri. Right? So, so, so whatever this, whatever these, these words mean, that's really characterization of this purely algebraic notion in terms of the differential geometry of this vector model. So that alone is, is of course interesting by itself. And then, I mean the third motivation is purely categorical. Because it, it, it organizes your, once you have a notion like slope stability, in some sense it organizes your, your abelian category. And that's what I'll focus on today. So, I mean I won't say anything more about this one, but of course later in this week, the relation to motorized spaces will become quite important. But for today I'll ignore that completely. Okay, any, any questions? So, I mean here is a crucial lemma. If you have a short x-axis sequence, a into e onto b, when this is, if this is a short x-axis sequence in a, then why this is, you have to see some properties. So either the phases are increasing or they are decreasing. And then phi of a less than phi of e is equivalent to phi of e less than phi of b. And the same with less than or equal. And instead of a proof, just let me draw the corresponding pictures. Right, so what if I look at the corresponding center charges? Well, remember that z is additive on short x-axis sequences. So if I, if I look at the origin z of a, z of b, and z of e, then these form a parallelogram by this additivity. And either this parallelogram is oriented like this or it is oriented like this. Right, and so this corresponds to the situation where the phases are increasing. And this is corresponds to the situation they are decreasing. Right, and note that for this lemma, this assumption that everything plays in the semi-close upper half plane is quite crucial. Right, because only that way you really have a well-defined parallelogram in here. I mean, otherwise, if z of b would be allowed to move to the negative half plane, then these pictures wouldn't make sense anymore. Yeah, so here the a has bigger phase than e and here a has smaller phase than e. And if a has smaller phase than e, then e must also have smaller phase than b. Right, so this is this situation, which is the same as this situation, and this picture is when these two are not satisfied. Right, here I have phi of a less than phi of e less than phi of b. And here I have phi of e bigger than phi of e bigger than phi of b. Right, and the claim is that it's not possible to have phi of a bigger than e and here less. That's because there's no picture that would match this situation. I mean, here it's a destabilizing sub-object because it has, right here, e is not stable because phi of a is bigger than phi of e. The argument of a is bigger than the argument of e. And here it's not destabilizing. Right, so here e could possibly be stable. As long as the picture is the same for all other sub-objects and so on. Right, I mean, the point is this isn't just a picture in a two-dimensional vector space, it's a picture in c, in particular in the upper half plane of c. So there is an ordering like this, right? It's, yeah, yeah, these are all, yes, yeah, yeah, yes, okay. Okay, and then, I mean, basically as a corollary of the previous lemma, maybe let me state this as an exercise if you haven't seen this before. If e and f are z's in my signal, and if phi of e is bigger than phi of f, then there are no harms, right? So in this complex upper half plane, I mean, all the, if I look, if I fix a phase phi and look at all the semi-stable objects of that phase, they'll all have central charge on one of these rays. And right, my claim is somehow that this picture leads to a filtration of the Abelian category. And what this lemma says is that in this picture, harms can only go this way, right? There are no harms from anything here to anything here. Okay, so that's one part of the picture, and then the other half of that categorical picture is the existence of Hadron or Zeman filtrations, right? And the statement is in both example a and or a prime or a double prime, and b or b prime, the following property holds for every, for every object of my Abelian category, there exists a filtration. And let me add that this filtration is unique and functorious in a certain sense. So 0 equal e0, increasing filtration, that's that, so ei modulo, ei minus one is c semi-stable for all i, and the phases are decreasing. Phi of e1 modulo e0 is bigger than phi of e2 modulo e1, and so on. All right, so in other words, any object can really be written as an extension, as an ordered extension of objects sitting in one of these slices. All right, so let me draw a second area here, x1. So this, but this x1 means something different than this harm, right? So this x1 means any object can be written as an x1, some are ordered in this way. In the short exact sequence, the one, the object further on the right is always further on the right on this blackboard picture as well. Okay, so what I'll do for some of this is crucial for all the applications of stability condition and wall crossing and so on. And since it's so central, I'll use most of the remaining time to give a sketch of the proof of the statement. And I'll focus on case A since case B is actually a little bit simpler. And I'll start with the following definition. I'll define a convex subset of the complex plane. So HNZ called the Harron-Ziemann polygon. So what is this? I take all Z of A for A is sub-object of E. And here I should be clear that this maybe might well be a trivial sub-object, either zero or the object itself. And then I take the convex whole of the set, right? So let me sketch an example over here. Like you have Z of E somewhere here. Then if you twist Z of E by a negative line bundle, say O of minus Nx, then this will give you sub-objects with the same rank and smaller degrees. So they'll lie somewhere here. So all this is part of this convex whole. And then I may have some sub-objects with bigger face. And then I claim that this is a picture will look something like this. So this is called the Harron-Ziemann polygon. Of course a bit of a misnomer since it's not bounded. But I claim that it is a polygon on the left, right? And so there's a simple lemma, right? I claim that H and Z of E is bounded on the left. And so to prove this, I mean of course that's a equivalent. The claim is equivalent to saying that the degree of A for A is sub-object of E is bounded above. Okay, so I mean to some of you of course this statement may look obvious, but nevertheless let's think about what actually goes into this statement. Right, so what is the proof of this claim? Well it holds for when E has rank equal to 0 or rank equal to 1. Right, so for rank equal to 0 the degree is just the length of a 0 dimensional sheath. And the sub-sheath certainly has smaller length. And for rank equal to 1 again, I mean this is actually a non-trivial statement, right? I mean that's essentially the statement that the degree of line-bundles is well defined and if you have a sub-line-bundle then it has smaller degree. Right, and if you remember your first or second algebraic geometry course it actually takes takes a while to prove statements like this. Right, and then if you have a short exact sequence and if the claim holds for E1 and E2 then it also holds for E. It just follows from the fact that if you have a sub-object of E then you get a corresponding sub-object of E1 and of E2 that fits into short exact sequence. And so the degrees of the sub-objects here are bounded and by additivity on the short exact sequence it follows that the degree of the sub-object of E are bounded. Right, and then you can do induction on the rank. I don't mean in fact any E has a sub-object as a line-bundle, any torsion-free sheath has a sub-object that is given by line-bundle and so you have a short exact sequence like this where both this and this object have strictly smaller rank. Okay, so I mean so far this was just a justification of this picture over here, right? I mean h and z of E is bounded on the left and I mean also all the central charges lie in discrete letters z plus i times z, the Gaussian integers. And so the left-hand side of this convex head is really just given by this polygon. So let's look at these extrema points on the left. I let this be the extrema points of h and z, this Hiram-Ziemann polygon on the left and so over here I would have z0, z1, z2, z3 and z4 and then for each i let E i be a sub-object such that z of E i is equal to zi, right? And so I mean this exists exactly because the i is extrema, right? I defined h and z of E as a convex hole of certain number of points but since the i is extrema in this head, it really had to be in the original set of z of sub-objects. So there exists a sub-object with this central charge, right? And now my claim is that this is the hard-on-Ziemann filtration. Now I mean strictly extrema, yeah. Yeah, exactly, yeah. And I don't take anything here on this line segment, right? And so this was Lemma 1 that I had to prove, Lemma 2. So now I'm trying to prove this claim. So here Lemma 2 is that this is really filtration, right? So in fact I'm claiming that E i minus 1 is a sub-object of E i. How do you prove that? Now I mean the key thing is that in an abelian category, if you're given two sub-objects of a given object, you can always form the intersection and you can form their span, right? So here I don't mean the direct sum of these two objects, I just mean the span inside the given sub-object E and, right? And so then there is a short exact sequence, A goes into E i minus 1 direct sum, E i goes on to B. Right? In fact, I mean you have a natural map from this direct sum to E and B is the image of that map and A is the kernel of that map. That's how you see that this really has existed in any abelian category. And, right? And so from this you see that the midpoint of the line segment from Z of A to Z of B is equal to the midpoint of the line segment from Z i minus 1 to Z i. So let's, let me draw a picture over here. You have Z i minus 1. Here you see i. And the Harald-Ziemann polygon is somehow here to the right of this line segment because I chose two consecutive extremal points. Right? So you also have the Z of A and Z of B are in the Harald-Ziemann polygon just because they are sub-objects of E. Right? And so if you combine these two statements, this is only possible if, right? So in particular, they are always to the right of this straight line. And either they are strictly on the right or on this line segment. So if you combine this with the previous statement, this is only possible if Z of A and Z of B are on the line segment from the i minus 1 to the i. Right? But you also have that A is a sub-object of E i minus 1. Right? So this means that the rank of A or the imaginary part of, right, means that the imaginary part of Z of A is less than or equal to the imaginary part of Z of E i minus 1. I mean, why is that? Because you can form the quotient and the quotient is contained in the semi-closed upper half plate. Right? And so, all these statements together are only possible if Z of A is equal to Z of E i minus 1. And if A is, in fact, isomorphic to E i minus 1. But that's, of course, equivalent to, might have shown that the intersection of these two sub-objects isomorphic to E i minus 1. It's the same as this includes. And so for now, I'm just proving the existence. So I don't have to answer that question. But actually, you can use basically the same argument that I used for the proof of lemma 2 to show the uniqueness. Let me give that as an exercise. Right? Show uniqueness of E i and use that to show uniqueness of the Harald Zimmer filtration. Okay? So, although I still have to prove, I have to prove that E i moduli E i minus 1 is easy in my statement. I assume otherwise. I mean, any sub-object of E i moduli E i minus 1 is of the form, is of the following form, right? There exists an A that contains E i minus 1 and is contained in E i such that, right? So, from this, of course, I get an inclusion of A moduli E i minus 1 inside E i moduli E i minus 1 and phi of A moduli E i minus 1 is bigger than phi of E i minus 1. E i moduli E i minus 1. Right? So far, I've just written down what it would mean for this object not to be the same as stable. And let's draw a picture. All right? So, here we have 0. Here, let's say, here I have the i minus 1. Then, right here, I have the i. Here, again, I can form this parallelogram. But, right here, I get Z of E i moduli E i minus 1. Okay? And let's look at where A would lie. Well, I know, I don't write no, no, right away where Z of A would lie. But, I know that Z of A moduli E i minus 1. All right? This would have to lie somewhere here. It has bigger face than Z of E i moduli E i minus 1. So, it has to lie somewhere here on the left. And now, what does this mean for Z of A? Well, I mean, I have Z of A is equal to Z i minus 1 plus Z of A moduli E i minus 1. Right? That's, again, just coming from the additivity on short exact sequences. Right? So, Z of A has to lie somewhere, somewhere up here. Again, that's a contradiction to, that's a contradiction to Z of A, to the fact that Z of A lies in the Harald Zimmern polygon. And that Z i minus 1 and Z i are consecutive extremal points of this convex set. Right? Okay. So, I've shown, what have I shown? I've shown that I've gotten the filtration and I've shown that the quotients are, say, my stable. And finally, note that, I mean, right? So, of course, phi of E 1 moduli E 0, it's just phi of Z 1 minus Z 0, phi of E 2. Modular E 1 is equal to phi of Z 2 minus Z 1. And so on. And right? So, just by the convexity, these numbers are decreasing. And so now, I've proved, I've, I've proved at least the existence of Harald Zimmern filtration. I won't, I won't say anything about the uniqueness, you know. Any, any questions? Yeah, so here by phi, I mean, the argument, again, the argument of this complex number, normalized to be between 0 and 1. Yeah, I mean, strictly speaking, I've defined phi only for objects of A, but I can do the same thing just with these, with these complex numbers. And maybe I should make a remark of what, what did we actually use? Right? So, I used two things that I used that minus the real part of Z of A is bounded above for sub-objects of E. And I used that the, right? If you look at the Z of all objects of A, I used that this is a contained in a discrete set, right? In our case, because it was contained in Z plus IZ. But, but if you, right? And so whenever you have these two properties, then you automatically get Harald Zimmern filtration. Why these two together imply Harald Zimmern filtration? Because both of these imply, these two together imply that the Harald Zimmern polygon is, somehow this has a finer polyhedral property on the left. But in fact, if you think about it a little bit more, actually I need a little bit less. And sufficient, if it's sufficient, if I'm de-falling that, if I look at all the Z of A's for which the real part of Z of A is less than or equal to the maximum of M0 in the real part of Z of E, if this is a finite Z, then I'm good. Because then if I look at this Harald Zimmern polygon, it always contains zero. Sorry, here I mean for all M A sub-object of E. Right? If you take, if you're given an object, right? If you're given an object E that has the property that this set here is finite, for all sub-objects you look at Z of A, as long as it satisfies this property, right? So anything that's on the left to one of these two numbers, because that already means that the Harald Zimmern polygon is really a polygon on the left and then the same proof works. Okay. In particular it's easy to see that in this situation B that I started, that I mentioned earlier, Harald Zimmern filtration exists. Okay. And so I want to finish by discussing the formations a bit, right? And so recall in example B, low stability dependent on parameters. In other words, I could deform my notion of stability. And what I want to convince of there's an example A, I really couldn't deform it, right? And so my claim one is that this is interesting. I'll do this right now with an example and then the claim two which we'll probably take tomorrow and Wednesday to justify is that this can be generalized, this deformation property can be generalized if we use the derived category of A rather than only A. Okay. And so to justify my first claim that this is interesting, let me look at two examples. The quiver with two vertices and two arrows and B I take the same quiver, but then I add one arrow going backwards. Okay. So this is a quiver with, let me label the vertices as one and two and maybe let me label the errors here by x1 and x2, x1, x2 and y. And in both cases, right? So there are basically two situations for my choices. I mean either the one is on the left and the two is on the right. So remember for to choose the stability, I have to choose one complex number for each vertex. And I claim that there are just two situations. I'm going to consider namely whether the one is on the left or whether the two is on the left having bigger face, right? And so let's start with, and in both, in all of these cases, right? So there are now four cases. Let's look at, let's look at table representations of dimension vector 1, 1. I wanted v1 and v2 are both 1. Right? So you can think of, let's say we do all this over c. So they're both isomorphic to c, but of course not naturally isomorphic. And so maybe let's start with 2a. Right? So here what is my representation I have here c and c, both after rescaling. And I have two errors like this. But this representation always has as a sub-object the representation that has the zero vector space here and c over here. I mean, if you, if you look at the sub-representation, then this is clearly preserved by all the maps. And I mean, this one here has, this one here has center chart c1 plus c2. This one has the center chart equals to c2. Right? And so in this picture, you see that, right? So this is my v. And this shows that v is unstable. So here I have always, I have always just the simple representation just concentrated at the second vertex as a sub-object. And so when the configuration is like this, then this is destabilizing. But what, if instead we look at 1a. And so first of all, any questions on this example? So for 1a, again I have, I either have c on the left and c on the right. And I have two maps x1 and x. So for each error, I'll get the corresponding map from c to c. So when is this representation stable? Well, I mean, the only thing I have to verify is that the simple representation sitting on the left hand vertex is not a sub-representation. And so this is stable, if and only if x1 is not equal to 0 or x2 is not equal to 0. Right? And so if you look at the parameter space of all stable representations of this dimension vector, right? And this is isomorphic to c2 minus the origin. But then, I mean, you have to remember that this was, the two vector spaces we only see up to isomorphism. And they can rescale them. And rescaling them of course corresponds to rescaling x1 and x2 by a common scalar. Right? So I have to rescale by c star here. And so I get, I get p1. So on the one hand, I have p1. In one way, I have p1 as a modular space. In the other, in the other case, I have the empty set as a modular space. So here, the modular space of stable representation of this dimension vector is just the empty set. Okay. So what happens in this example? In this example, b, c and c, and I have two maps like this. And I have one map like this. And note that, I mean, both of these are c only up to isomorphism. But if you take the composition of two, two vectors so that you end up at the same vertex, then this is a well-defined endomorphism of a given one-dimensional vector space. So that's a complex number. Right? So in other words, you have a map from this modular space of representations of dimension vector 1, 1, 2, a2, just given by sending v to, say, y, x1 and y, x2. Okay. So that part we always have. And now let's look at the two stability conditions. Right? So for 2b, right? So again, here, this is the representation that is not allowed as a sub-reversent. Right? And so what does this mean? This just means that y is not equal to zero. Right? But if y is not equal to zero, then you can actually, I mean, after this rescaling, you can just presume that y is equal to 1. Right? And then this shows that from the image over here, x1 and x2 are determined. So this modular space of stable objects just becomes isomorphic to a2. And now what happens in example 2a? Right? Again, now it's the simple representation concentrated on the left-hand side that's not allowed to be a, to be a, to be a sub-representation. Right? So this means that x1 is not equal to zero or x2 is not equal to zero. Right? And so what does this mean? Let's look at what this means for this map to a2. So again, if the, if the image here is outside the origin, then there's a unique preimage, right? Because then the same argument as before works. I mean, if the image here is not the origin, then y cannot have been zero. And so x1 and x2 are determined by the image. So this is isomorphism outside the origin. And now what is the preimage of the origin? Well, right? If, if, if this map lands into the origin, then this, this means that either y0 or x1 and x2 are equal to zero. Well, x1 and x2 equal to zero is excluded. So in the other case, also over the origin, we get, I mean, y equal to zero. And so again, what do we remember? We have x1 not equal to zero, x2 not equal to zero. Sorry, we have now x1, x1 and x2 are not both zero. But now we haven't used the rescaling yet, right? So we haven't done any normalization to see stars. So the preimage here is, is p1. Right? If, so let me say that again, if I'm here, the image is the origin, then y must be equal to zero. And so the, the isomorphism type of the representation is again given just by the ratio of x1 and x2 up to risk. Right? And so in other words, this is the, the blow up of a 2 at the origin. Okay. And so I mean, I hope this example convinces you that something interesting happens when you, when you, when you vary stability and that it's worth doing the work of generalizing this, this deformation to other situation where we will, where we will have to go to the device category. Okay. Thank you.


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Welcome everybody. Pay attention there. Obviously early, but we're late. No, you're right on time. We're just starting. Right now. Right now. Have a seat. So before we start though, we're going to confirm that we've posted the agenda in three public places throughout town and also on the website and emailed interested parties. So doing that, we can legally go forward with the meeting here. We have some guests thick and you didn't get onto the list, Ben, but Ben Fock is here and I understand that you have another meeting at seven that you want to go to. So you're hoping to maybe go first. If I could, that'd be awesome. Take it away. Good timing. Thank you. Yeah, we just, we plant a lot of trees up in my place in the north hollow and we have grown a lot of trees and we give them away when we can to places where they'd be a benefit to others, public spaces especially. So we planted some all up and down 100 a bit. We have some more times cool. We planted a couple here in Rochester school, but they're kind of, there's not room. They're a little close to the playground. So they might not stay there, but we have a lot of good ones and we're going to be planting a few hundred for clients. And I thought the northeast side of the town green has a bit of room there, which might be a really nice for, some of these are oak trees mostly, to go with some of the other beautiful trees that are in town. And we lost that big beautiful oak down by the church. So it'd be nice to keep adding more oaks. They're great food trees for people and wildlife. They live us hundreds of years, or we're open to kind of wherever where they could get full sun and have a long life where people could harvest the acorns if they want to process them or just at least be for wildlife and shade timber down the road. So you had mentioned this to me and I talked about it a little bit and Frank came up with the thought that the Lines Club Park in the north end of town there, which has lost a couple of trees along a bank and it has good sun and probably access to water, but it would also help for bank stabilization. That might be a really good spot to put sun. Yeah, we're certainly open to it. As long as it has half day or more sun and it's a pretty well-drained spot even if it floods every now and then, that's not really a problem for a lot of these oaks. That'd be a good spot, I think, for some, because the bank is like, they lost the big butternut there a couple of years ago and there's not many trees along that one section there close to the river. This is where the nice timber-framed little... Oh yeah, I know, sure. There's tons of room there. There's a big flat field. Yeah, that'd be great. Well, there's a park right past Tim Crowley's driveway, Beansbridge Road. There's a little park down in there that was developed by the Lines Club. Yeah, there's a couple of picnic tables down there and stuff. Yeah, I know that zone on that shore. And you're having good luck with oaks because oaks are happier on the other side of the Champlain Valley than they are around here. They will grow more on their own there without planting. There's more natural dispersion. They grow fantastically here when they're planted. When they're planted? Yeah.  They'll walk in the acorns. Yeah, and it's nice because the only oaks we have here, and there's not many of the red oak, and these will bear... They don't bear in the other years, like usually the year that the red oak's not bearing, which is a nice thing for a while. Great for the squirrels, too. Yeah, and even turkey love them and help keep bringing the turkey population back. We look forward to squirrels and turkey on the park. I don't know if we need more squirrels, but they might help. They could help with squirrels. But especially bear, turkey. A lot of people love them, either. So how many trees are this you're talking about? Well, I mean, we have a lot, but I think it's a little bit of a project to plant.  So I think we just do like two or three. They'll get huge. But if there's a lot of room, maybe we can do a little more. Yeah, you can look at the space there and see what you think would be best. I wouldn't recommend more than five to ten. Sure. I would think in that space. I don't even know if you could get that many in there. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.  Yep. Nancy, you got the question. Are you suggesting that you should plant them in the field or over along the edge of the river? I'm not worth thinking along the edge of the thing. Not in the middle of the play area where people can, you know, let me play football or... Yeah, we wouldn't want them doing it in a way, not just because we don't want them in the way of anyone, but we also don't want them damaged. That's the problem, that if you put them in a place or in a way they just get wrecked by people. You would. How do they stand up to beavers? Not that well. No, I have a lot of beavers and if we put it, we'll put a vulgar on them, which they don't really need for bowls, don't damage it, but beavers won't mess with them. Metal window screen. Yep. The hardware store. Yeah. They won't, they don't want to bite through that. You'll probably need to do that. Sure. We'll do that. That's a good, really good thought. Martha has a question. I just have a quick question. Are you thinking now, in addition to the Northeast part of the park that he mentioned here in the village. As well as beans bridge or just a beans bridge. We were talking more about beans bridge. I think we'd have to give more thought to adding more trees to the park or not. That's all. Yeah. And there's a little bit of a question of the, the rent, the line of Oaks along route 100, if they're, they're not contributing to the, the hard grass growing under there. They, you know, acidify the soil a little bit. Do you know more about that? You know, I don't think Oaks make too much acid, but I mean any, any tree with hardwood leaves with big leaves will snuff grass if it's not mowed up. Yeah. But one of those is a really significant special tree. It's a burrow. And it might be one, it might be the only one on route 100. And then we'll stay that really big burrow on the west side. So that's a special, you know, that's like a very unusual and valuable tree. I feel like we're interested in accepting your offer of trees out there on the, the Lions club park along the river. But while you're here talking about trees, maybe we'd ask you to review what's required of the tree warden position, which is currently vacant in town. And just, you know, to check that out and see if that's something that you'd be interested in and put it in your head in the ring for. Sure. I'd love to. Do we have a printout or we could get you a, it's, it's more responsibility than I realized actually when we started reading into it. Yeah, there's quite a bit to it. I don't know if it's a good idea to have another party involved or not. I have to do a little more research on it in order to, because what it does is they make, they passed this law in 2020. And what it does is it gives a lot more authority to the tree warden than what was ever thought of in the past on towns. So basically we really need to research it a little more to figure out what help with direction we want to go. Because, you know, there's some, the rule was definitely passed more for bigger municipalities that have a lot of sidewalk trees and trees that are, you know, planted by municipalities where there's a lot of issues with the rules where it could affect, you know, road sides, along the, you know, the town rights away and on roads and stuff. And, you know, so there's just a lot we need to talk about on that before we do anything with it. All right, anyway, it'd be interesting to, is that something, a printout we could hand off to him to just so he could learn more about it? This is only a partial printout. Partial printout. Yeah. It's online. It's online. It is? Yeah. Okay, I'll take a look. Yeah. Yeah. Looking for something else to do. Yeah. Yeah. That's what you get at the shop to select. Yeah, I can look into that. All right. I think I might have your email. Perfect. Yeah. Yeah, I can send it along. That'd be great, yeah. So do you want to touch base if you look at the, the lines clip? Yeah. And so on, I've got to pull up on my phone. Like, is there a way, I got by the river. That's this, that's the park. That's right. Right. Yeah. So just the west side of that. Yeah. Yeah. I would think so. Yeah. Like we could, as long as it's away from the knotweed enough, you know, these are pretty tall. So they'll be above the knotweed to some example. Yeah. I wouldn't, I wouldn't play them in the knotweed anyway. I'd set them back. Yeah. No. Okay. We can do that. I know that spot. Yeah. Perfect. I think that would be good. We would be happy there and perfect to replace another nut tree like butternut as they, they just die in back. Yeah.  Maybe a couple up on the north end. Yeah. Yeah. By the, by the picnic tables there's some on there. Yeah. There's a storage shed up there. Yeah. Perfect. That's a great spot. Yeah. Right. So we can, should we, like it would be this week, because I still have my apprentices here. That's who's been tagging along. Got some labor force because I work. And that's okay. We can do it this week. Next few days. Yeah. Awesome. Okay. Cool. We'll try to maybe label them so people just, you know, know they're there. Yeah. To point them out to the lawnmower. Yeah. Yeah.  They're not just volunteers. How old are they now? Ten years. Ten years. Yeah. When we first got the land, we planted thousands of trees and now they're, we have more than we need. So we're thinning them. Thinning them better. Better than cut. Soon we're going to have to just cut them to thin them because we can't dig any more. I look forward to seeing them and see if that's, that's a 10 year old old grave there. Yeah. They're, they're trying to cruise along.  They do spread pretty fast. Oh. Yep. Got a bunch of them in my yard. One nice thing is, so these oaks are already all over South of here, Southern New England. So with climate change, you know, that's one reason alone to plant stuff that is from South of here because to be ready as well, our climates are ready. It's not going to shift, they're already shifting. So yeah, our climates are already very good for a lot of these oaks. But the sea takes a while to get here. So it's a way of like helping with that succession of the forest. All right. Helping the climate change move along. Well, adapt it to adapt. All right. Help to change itself. Yeah. All right. Thank you. Thank you. Yeah. Good timing. All right. Our next guest we had listed here is, is Vic. He's on, on the Zoom. Hi, Vic. Hi. Hi. This, there's three items on agenda regarding emergency management, one of which is to appoint. Michaela Richardson and she has softball practice till 630. So I was going to suggest bumping these items until later in the agenda and hopes that she's able to come. Okay. All right. Was that what you wanted to say? Yeah. Okay. Yeah. When they get to those three items and I'll come back on and offer any. Okay. All right. Yep. And Midge. Welcome. Did you have something online that you want to talk? Yeah. Thanks. I just wanted to bring up an issue that the folks on Kennedy Drive and it's something that I've spoken with Ray Harvey and apparently Terry and Gordon Merrill have dealt with a little bit, but folks on Kennedy Drive wanted to bring to the select board's attention that we're concerned about a new development at the end of Kennedy Drive that incorporates the, the maybe 300 plus acres that are up there. I don't even know the owner's name. All I know is this is Dave's, but so I've never met him, or I might have met him on a dog walk or whatever. They have, he has a couple with a company called Tenters, T-E-M-T-R-R that you, they work in conjunction with the landowner and they set up a tent site on platforms. It's, they appear to be about 10 by 10 canvas tents in the area. There's a small pod, a bathroom pod. Looks like a compostable toilet that's in that unit. A small table with a camp kitchen on the end of it. There's a bit of a deck out in the front that allows for a couple of chairs and there's a fire pit there. The lower unit which is a quarter of a mile in is heated by gas, has a small gas unit inside of it. And the upper unit which is a half a mile in is heated with wood stove vented with a pipe and both units have outside wood fire pits that are there. And you rent this like you would an Airbnb except it's a tent unit and most of us, there are a number of people on the street that have, take different issues but the main issue that concerns us is the fire hazard because these pits are located on, even though they're a steel pit with a cover over them. The mesh, it's not a tight fit on the covers. They sit up on little legs but they sit on top of a bed of dried leaves surrounded by woodland that is also full of dried leaves and lots of trees and brush also that they've cut down to clear for the sites of these two camping units. So the scenarios are endless to what the hazards could be as far as the fire is concerned and Terry went up, I haven't spoken with Terry about it but I did read, left a message for me, we were away for the weekend, said that he, they went up there, they checked it out and it appears to be fine. It complies to all the state requirements that Ray talked with the state fire warden. He too said it fits with all the perimeters of the guidelines so there's a non-issue as far as the state is concerned with Ray. He said it was a no problem, it was a full go ahead. He complies with everything so there's a non-issue. In terms of the fire. In terms of the fires. Now I received a message from Julie that it was more of a planning and zoning issue but I haven't had a chance to talk to anybody about that because as I said we were away for the weekend and we just really learned about this last weekend, people of the street have just been trying to talk about this and figure out what do we do. And even though the state fire warden and Terry or anybody else who looks at it says it's not a problem, the folks on Kennedy Drive don't feel that way. And so we would, you know, I so appreciate the fact that they really got up there pretty quick and checked it all out. But we would like to have it on record with the town that we're not okay with this. It is in my viewpoint, I wouldn't have even set up that fire pit in my own yard the way that they have it set up there, never mind in the woods. And there's very little, if at all, self coverage up there. They do offer fire extinguishers, but I believe they're the small ones so they give you two small fire extinguishers. You're not supposed to drive your vehicle up there. So anybody who walks into there to do their camping, if they have an issue while they're there, they would have to come off the hill and before they could contact the fire department. And so that is an issue. The wood lines, but up against the back of all of our houses, it affects not only folks on Kennedy Drive, but, you know, folks on wheat field as well, the property goes all the way up to the pier behind the pierces. So it's a large swath of land that's vulnerable to this.  But we don't know who's regulating this. We don't know who's monitoring it. We don't know what the protocol is for going back in. Somebody has breakfast in the morning at their campsite, thinks they've put out their fire, go off canoeing, or leave the site completely. They go home. And how long is it before somebody comes back and checks this situation? How frequently is it checked? How frequently is it monitored? And I certainly don't feel it's our obligation to go in there and keep tabs on all of this new venture. But it is a concern for all of us, because we all stood last week or the week before and watched Gordon Merrill's barn go up within five minutes.  But if there was no putting it out, you just watch it. And so, you know, we look at, we all have old homes, we all have lots of wood, lots of dryness. And it's a concern I never thought we would have to deal with. And so we would just like it on the record that we're not okay with this. I will continue to do more research. I have no problems with this guy having an enterprise of his own. I have no grudges against the situation except the fire issue. And the wood stove in the tent doesn't have a screen around the top of the path. It's just open. Now, anybody who burns a fire knows that there are sparks that go up, and it's not that far of a distance to, and you're sitting in your tent, you do not know what's going on in the woods around you until you start hearing a crackling. There are candles that are there that are sitting out in the setting all to create a nice ambiance for the renter, which is terrific. But for us, it presents a hazard where we could all, we're all feel jeopardized by it. And so, as I said, we want it on the record that we're in. We're in the process of compiling a letter that we will all sign and submit to you guys, so it is on the record. But none of us are too happy about it. So thank you. Are they required to get a building permit? I was going to say this is... Totally a zoning issue. Yeah, it's a zoning issue, but they've not approached, there's been no permits pulled for, I mean, it's one thing if someone owns land and they come to visit and they're going to camp out on it, but setting it up as a commercial entity, I think that they need to approach the zoning board about that. And that's... You want me to approach the zoning board and don't miss the... You can, but I mean, I'll bring it to their attention on the next meeting. And I understand that, didn't we... This person, Dave, had contacted Julie at the office that he called about questions about coming to talk to the select board. I think I heard this, but then he was referred to... This is a planning board issue. Do you remember that? We talked about it and you showed me the letter and I said it's a zoning issue at that point and you called the people. Is that correct? That was last week or sometime when you showed me that letter. Wow. I know it doesn't sound familiar to me, they're in my chat about everything. Well, anyway, it's... Thanks for getting it more on the radar and it's... I think there's something that the planning board is... I don't think you can just create an enterprise like that but there are zoning restrictions on that. I don't think you could just even open up a bed and breakfast up in the hollows without jumping through some hoops. Interesting. I had no idea. I mean, the first thing that came to my mind was and this is a fire issue, but apparently not. So I have a question then when you say you couldn't open up a bed and breakfast up in the hollow, how do all these Airbnb's operate? Do they come to planning and zoning and the select board to set up? No, they don't. They're all over the place. But they do have legal structures that they're renting out. Well, you think they're legal. Well, that's up to the fire marshal to determine whether they're legal or not. But this is a structure going up. This is the same idea as an Airbnb. Yeah, and we'll start with the basics that there's a structure being erected on a piece of property without a building permit. It's just a platform. Start there, walk that way up the ladder. It's a platform. Yeah, that's tough. You can't get them for a tent. I don't know. I mean, sugar houses are taxed. If they're renting out, it's a commercial operation. Well, that's where they can get them. But as far as the fire hazard is, we drove up there and those things, what they got to hold their fire in is very good. And it's up in the air, so anything that falls underneath there is going to go out because the screen is so small, and it's all dirt underneath them. The Forest Service allows people to go tenting out. And they build in a lot worse places, and they build them in stone pits, which really have a chance to make the fire go down in the ground.  So another question then, if the property is in current use and you're establishing something on current use property, is that a legal issue for current use and should the listers be made aware of it? Well, it'll all start with zoning. That's gotta be the trigger to filter out and answer all of those questions. Do they have ample parking spots? They're parking in Kevin Kelly's driveway. Yeah, he's given them two units, two parking spots to utilize, and then you're supposed to walk in. There isn't any evidence at this point in anybody's renting, but you can go online, and it's a franchise. It's all over the country, and these tents are all over, and it's $150 to spend a night there.  I don't know how Sandy feels about that, but... I feel that great about it with our property. I mean, we're all... The only good thing is we get a fire truck right now. We can't get it up there. You can get a fire truck in there? Sure. Easy. Good. Once you've learned that the fire is there... That burned out before. Yeah, we had a fire there 10 years, or probably 15 years ago, 20 or 20. Yeah, I don't really remember that. Probably 10, 12 acres in there. Yep. I remember a fight, and we definitely got a lot better holes now to fight it than we did back in. I remember driving the truck up in there, actually. My goal is that we don't ever get to that point. Yeah. Carrying a backpack. I'm all for Joseph. Well, and give the devil a stew. It's very possible that he does not realize that he has to go to the room planning a zoning board. Yeah, and like I said, I have no issue with him personally, and I don't wish to stop this enterprise of his, but zoning is a totally different issue. We're... We just live there. Yeah. He's operating a commercial business in a non-commercial zone, basically. He has stated that he's only going to do the two. But Airbnb's are exactly the same way. Yep. True, but it's a different setup. There's no one's out there and one's indoors. Oh, they're in effect. I don't need them. Some of the land use. Right. So, you're saying this goes to zoning and planning. Yeah. So, is this something, again, that I should take to zoning and planning, or you guys... Welcome to the first Tuesday of every month, so that will be... Next week. Next Tuesday. Next Tuesday. May 3rd. Do they have to get themselves on that agenda? They'll do it the day after. You can kick it off. I can't imagine. You could get on the agenda if you want. Okay. Who would I contact? Dan McKinley. Oh, I'm not sure. Yeah. Or does Sandy do the agendas? Either one. Dan or Sandy. Okay. Okay, well, thank you. We appreciate that. And we'll still end up submitting a petition or a letter to you guys, and we'll get anybody who wants to sign it. Yeah, thank you. Yeah, thank you. So, that's it for me. I appreciate your time. And Terri, I really appreciate you going up there and charting it out. Yep, no problem. Really. The guy is real good about it. Yeah. I just walked all around. Oh, you met him up there. Last Friday, Ray and I went up. Was Gordy and the owner. Okay. Did they contact you? I contacted. Ray contacted me. Yeah, okay. And then I contacted Gordy and he contacted the owner. We met and went up. Was Gordy kind of the property manager for that? Yeah, he's the... Forester. Forester. The first manager there. All right. Thank you. Thank you. To be continued. While we're still waiting for Michaela, we could... We have a liquor license application from the Rochester Cafe, LLC, or actually it's Cafe Rochester, LLC. Cafe Rochester. Yeah. For a first class liquor license in a restaurant. And I think they're... Because they're thinking of perhaps venturing into dinners. So, all right. Make a motion to approve that. Second that. All in favor? All right. All right. There's no menu here, though. Can I stick it like a takeout or in the meeting? No. No. Right, Ray. I think he isn't putting it right now. Got to wait until next week. All right. And then we're going to hold off on Michaela a little bit. And the... Well, we could... I guess we should still wait for that. We should backtrack and approve the prior minutes. Oh, good idea. We have a few corrections that we found in there, but nothing that changed the essence of them. So I'd move to approve with the fixing those pickles. I second that. All in favor? All right. All right. Are the pickles on there? Yeah, we've identified them. Cool. And so updating the capital plan. Have you made any progress on that? Is that the master one? Is this the master we're talking about? No, not the master financial plan. That was the capital plan. That seems like that's going to take a lot more work. We started the process. Nancy and I sat down and went through it and changed some stuff. We also contacted Kevin Geiger and got a copy of it so we can edit it ourselves. The previous one that we did. Is that correct, Nancy? Yeah, that is. I would like to suggest that because it's new to a lot of people that we could invite Kevin to come back and talk to us about developing a capital plan that we haven't been paying that much attention to over the last few years for any number of different reasons. And if he could come up and talk to us, he's certainly familiar. He sent to Julie a copy of the plan. But if he could come up and go through it and talk about how you go about doing a capital plan and those items that are critical to it and how far out you go and things of that sort. The most critical item of it is probably... Paying for it. Yeah. Paying for it. Which is why we had some issues following the plan that was developed because we did not have the money available to us. Would that also involve the trustees? It doesn't involve the trustees of public funds. Okay. But it would involve budget and finance. Yeah. Okay. I think we've got a list on the appointments for people to do that. I think there's a... on that list of people. I think there's a section on that in the back right there. I think that's for... So how do we thought that... The capital plan... Getting going now. And one day we needed to add to that. Even a skeleton type thing that could be ready for fall when we begin to deal. So just basically the... But you know, it deals with the purchase of automobiles. Call her. So we thought... What's the last name of the Kevin person that she's talking about that she wants to come speak to? Kevin Geiger from Two Rivers. Okay. Thank you. Yeah. Nancy and I just sat down and changed the dates of the vehicles and what was down there for inventory. But a lot of the wording is stuff that we never could do. And there's a lot of financial things in there that are just unattainable for the community. So we have to go back and read... Just redo it. Review it and rewrite it. Well, review it. And then also it comes up against the other philosophy of financing the purchase versus putting reserve accounts and then the balance between... And that's where Kevin would be very helpful to us in our thinking. And because he's dealing with this with other towns all the time. Right. Bring it out. Yeah. I mean, we're just coming out of a period of really low interest rates which made the financing pretty tempting versus... You know, it's like we were planning to put like $80,000, $90,000 a year in for trucks or whatever. We were lucky if we had $9000. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. I know. Some of those numbers were quite large. So that would be that... Would we want to have probably like a special meeting with Kevin Geiger and vitamin? Would that just be in the topic versus just joining in? Everybody bring their copy. Let him talk about it and make suggestions as to how we should proceed. We'd have to set up something with him and then make sure all the other participants can come to that. But we would like to get it moving before the next budgeting season. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, it's good. Kind of not just to start doing it early like we always say we're going to do and then just plan on it. And we're like, yeah, let's do it. All right. So we have a motion put here to adopt to designate the entire Rochester ARPA Award to cover government services under the standard deduction for lost revenue. We've got history on that. This is just another formality that we go to to say that the funds that we have received come out of that responsibility bucket. There were... Lost revenues is the catch-all. There were other buckets like for wages and this and that, but our funding, our losses are all being put into that one bucket, which is the broader bucket that covers most of what our suffrage was during the COVID times. So is this something to justify our receipt of that money? Yes. So then I would make a motion to designate the entire Rochester ARPA Award to cover governmental services under the standard deduction for lost revenue. And I second that. All in favor? Aye. Excuse me. Dune, would this be... It didn't get on the agenda, but we were going to... You were going to mention something about the dog stations. Would this be a good time? Yeah, we're getting... I figured when we get onto old business... Okay, I'm sorry. Yeah. Yeah. Okay, we're still inviting time till McKayla can show up. So why don't we see what, Joan, what have you got for us tonight? Okay. Hi. I really don't have anything to report for... All right. Fine. Then John. All I get to report is the new truck went into the body builder today. So the process has started. So a little earlier than we originally thought, huh? Yeah, a little bit. Expectillary life. June? Because it has to go for a wing as well. That's what it is. Today. So five or six weeks. Yeah. Ten weeks. Before winter. Before next winter. Hopefully. I'd just like to... I'm not sure if... I know or you know exactly what you did that made mud seasons so tolerable for our town is here. But good job. I think lucky. I mean, some of the horror stories we heard from some of our neighboring towns. I think we got off easing. I'm sure there were some awkward moments for a few people here and there. But, yeah. Wasn't too bad. We were fortunate, I think. So I have a question about years back, not that many years, but a few years back when Robert Mayer was on the board, he was really adamant that we increased the gravel budget significantly. And his perception that we were really lacking in material on our roads. And what's your thought on that after a few years of being back on the... Well, I did get it back in the last budget. Yeah. Because I felt that we should spend that money on pavement. But I lost that too. I was just curious because it would seem that the lack of a bad mud season, is that, I mean, how are you feeling about the level of gravel on our back roads? There's still roads that need gravel. Yeah, there always will be. You lose a couple inches a year, really. Between plowing and dust and graphic to... Erosion. Washouts. I'm comfortable with it where it is. Where we put it to. Yeah. Towing. But as prices go up, my material I get for that money is going to increase. So, that may have to get bumped back up at some point. Yeah. But I still think we need to spend more on pavement asphalt. Yeah. And that's going to go sky high. Yeah. I think Robert Mayer agrees with that one as well. Yes, I agree. Yeah. All right. Thank you. Tony, have you got any reports from the library tonight? Well, we're still working on research for the things that we need, maybe need to do to the building. We know some of them. I don't know if anyone managed to make the Wednesday walk-through what if they... We never did it. Oh, you didn't do it? No. We met with them in the office, Diane Tietzel, Jeff and myself with energy efficiency Vermont. What was their name? Megan. And at this time we kind of just batted some things around because everything hinges pretty much on what happens with the school. And that's why we haven't approached anything. We talked about a lot of things looking at this building, looking at the town garage as being two that really need. The library was something that we looked at as being that we have to definitely do something with it at some point but we're not sure how to go about that at this time. I think Jeff and myself both agree that you're going to have to do a construction deal there where you're going to have to hire an outside group that has a bunch of crews that can come in and tackle a project like that. And I don't know if you can do an exploratory on that. Talking with a few other people before we even approach that I think is the way we have to handle it. So it's on with mine but we just haven't got there yet. You're saying it is a town thing eventually, right? So that it'll be on the list that we use some of the ARPA funds I put a thing on there that maybe we should look at clearing up the deed into that and seeing what that entails so that that can go away and then the town would have to support the building and get that straightened out. And I don't know whether the trustees would have a better opportunity to get funding for the use for repair of the building or whether the municipality would and that's something we need to address. And if it would help if you could maybe look for that if you guys can get funding of some sort that would help. Well we have been doing that and it's not really just readily available No I know nothing is but it's still there we're looking at I've put it on the list for using ARPA money some to do that if we could find some kind of grant with that too that's on the pipeline kind of thing And the other thing I'd say just for now is that I keep saying read the paper because they do put some good articles in there about this and Jeanette's library of things is quite interesting actually if you take a look at that there's a lot of stuff there I hope you don't need right at the moment but it's there so that's something to keep in mind and she has a lot of programs coming up but thank you Terry anything on your mind tonight? Got a little trouble with those encounters aren't working they quit this weekend so guys coming Are these the ones that are looking for the new rubbers to work on? No I haven't found one yet and he hasn't given me a list on the vows and I haven't got received any contract about spring walk around which I called two three times that's supposed to be done in April I'm sorry I didn't hear what Terry said wasn't working right in the beginning I'm sorry building counters? Dosing there's basically monitors that flow into the the leech field so they're called building monitors or dosing C-O-S-I-N-G I'm sorry excuse me thank you thank you sorry to bother you thank you I just I can't hear everything other than that we're great sometimes we got to meet sometime we got to meet with the guys doing the work in town because it's going to be lots of water lines to be around and sewer lines it's going to be a deal they did a bunch of dig safe put a lot of lines out there that doesn't make any difference but they just put some lines out there recently and the weaver guy I did speak with him he was here and marked the ones that they were supposed to dig safe so some of the ones that he knew of he didn't have a plan but he was just walking through just upgrading the lines that they had put out earlier so he didn't have a copy of the prints yet for this end of the job so the golf course though they're making their way oh yeah they're getting there but he didn't have the print that guy that's doing the work there but he'll be getting it throw out the pancake breakfast good good turnout yeah we did well we haven't got the tolls yet for we had to buy a lot more stuff this year where years passed it's all been donated pretty much we did like 18 takeouts so I guess that was worth it but I think overall went pretty good don't you yeah everyone was really happy with it it was good to see everybody thanks for the guys giving up there Easter to do it and the families yeah for sure I mean a lot of the guys have got kids and stuff to get up to do that yep and also a lot of guys brought their kids it's definitely a nice family it's a good thing and Kristen your message that I read somewhere was extremely nice thank you thank you it was alright we'll put all that money it's gonna go towards the new truck and all those kids were so cute serving our kids are better health than the grown-ups yeah alright we got Jeff get part in the grounds not here tonight okay alright so let's talk some about the we brought this up Susie brought this up last meeting about the dog stations or the doggie bag stations I think it's I think it's a good idea now you had talked about putting it out there for people to make donations towards this because what was the price that we're saying this is going to be about $2,000 I think that well are we in agreement that this is something that we want to go forth on my biggest concern is we're going to pick it up that's the big thing are they going to be there to collect garbage too you know bags of garbage that's why we got rid of the cans the cans on the park because people were leaving their household waste there I don't know I'll for putting signs out but I don't know about having to put out collection stations I just don't know who's going to empty I'd be willing to go forward with one or two but not really five let's just test the water before we dive right in and see if collecting what about if you have just bag dispensers but people take the bags with them I mean that's one thing a lot of times it's a good excuse not to pick it up because you don't have anything to pick it up with but if we could make the bags available without having them to obligate someone to empty the garbage can it would reduce the cost it would reduce the cost then the station just gets installed with a relatively simple post hole digger and the sign is just the sign with a bag thing hopefully they don't collect bags at the bottom of the sign use bags or we could just say we sell bags at the hardware yeah yeah something like that instead of the instead of having the problem of the collection we could take baby steps into this yeah I think that's the way to go I would think a few more signs posted around there and where they're more visible would be good to do that or a sign with the bag dispenser yeah pick up after your dog kind of thing yeah but the whole point is trying to make it easier for people to do that right oh shit I don't have a pool bag yeah you'd be surprised how it would work as a hand warmer in the winter for a while but you want two bags I'm gonna tie it down I'm joking but it's true it's a good dog excuse me could I could I ask you just one thing about this the information that Susie gave me we were trying to figure out what to do about donations and we had thought in the article that I was going to write but we held on to until you guys finished this your approval of this we couldn't decide whether the donation should be sent to her it's possible I talked to Dune today be sent to the PO box at the town office and if someone on their check puts in the little left hand corner on that line where you can tell what it's for they could put you know dog station or pooper scooper station if somebody wants to make a donation but the check should be made out to the town of Rochester would that be correct or what do you think yeah I think that would be the way to go send it to the town Susie had a comment yeah a couple of things actually I'm feeling quite confused because at the last meeting there was you proposed and there seems to be general approval that it would be quite easy to deal with the pickup because all of these properties are town properties and they're maintained year round through summer, spring, winter and fall by mowing and plowing and that well that was put out that was just an idea we weren't sure it's not like someone plowing and it's going to get out of their plow and grab the bags and bring them into their tractor but it's not it could have just left you know that's what we were struggling with actually was how would they get picked up how would it be emptied you know it was just whose shoulders does that fall on and I think that expecting a volunteer force to do it is asking a lot basically we're asking every dog owner to be a volunteer and to pick up after their own dog and then it seems that so what we're talking about tonight is just to make it easy by having the bags available would be a good first step versus having a pile of full bags you know frozen in a heap in the winter and stinking up the park in the summer you know because it's not going to be I mean it doesn't take very long for a bag of dog shit to start smelling but keep your hands warm it does that's a little to your speed but that's um but yeah we hadn't come up with a real clear solution about who would be responsible for you do understand that this is a 10 gallon receptacle this is not a thing so it's a significant thing it's not just you know it's you know don't have one 10 gallons of dog bags it really starts stinking in the summer I mean I think we really need to you know do what we can to encourage dog owners to take care of it themselves and then by giving them the tool to do it would be a good good stuff but not a place to dump it I mean whether they walk over to the skip mart and throw it in the garbage can or take it in there and take it home with them put it in your pocket forget it and do their laundry wash your clothes wash your clothes yeah okay so I'm getting a sense that the general feeling is is really this is ultimately the dog owners responsibility and yeah we don't have someone in line that we could saddle with you know emptying this you'd think that you'd probably once a week would probably be too few of a time so I mean in the hot summer it's just and then if you want to you know build up and then invariably people would start throwing other garbage in those things too more than likely yeah all kinds of garbage don't they have to be cleaned wouldn't they have to be kind of cleaned or sterilized I always think so after a while they have a liner bag that you just you're not throwing the loose feces in there yes I think we just started out with bag receptacles only they're bag dispensers bag dispensers and and then they're on their own and putting some more signs up around yeah one is placed behind something you said that one of the signs was not visible it's down at the corner across from the garage it just needs to go out further there's one on the park right in front of Huntington House we should probably put a couple more on the park especially on the front I think if you attached one to the bandstand that wouldn't be the worst idea that's where they all seem to signs around the park already but I think you have to put one out there because that's where a lot of people will stop on their way with the dog out of the car and they go out on the park so if there's no sign that's reminding them to pick up after themselves I don't know if most of them can read if you go down the tennis court the guy's right in front of that sign and they let the dog out and it goes and it's the same guys they can give you about four cars I know you can but we should speak to the car and one of them two or three times a day still go inside the house but they should be spoken to or get a letter or something like that well you're the dog warden you can write a nice letter so how many good dog warden well at this point then it's it's it will involve a lot less money a lot less of everything and what I would like to propose since we can call ultimately I feel that it really a town responsibility because we're dealing with the the aesthetic and the health issues that are found personally it doesn't hurt to have put it in the paper if people want to contribute to to donate towards that that fund I agree we've gone as far as putting a few signs up a couple more and dispensers it would be a lot less expensive do you know a price of just bag dispensers it's essentially it's a little bit less it's the exact same structure without the attached collections it probably just hooked right up on the sign I think it should just be under the sign well you're talking about something completely different then this is a unit within itself where it's got your metal post and the sign and the dispenser attached to it I don't know that you can just buy a dispenser and put it on your own pole that's a whole other avenue of research I was thinking take it to it and see if they are like that Susie find out how much they are and let us know with that and then when you see that you'll decide how many you want to have maybe four I think we can decide on how many we need now we're not talking about this here we could get more bang for the buck yeah it was like they came in units of five they do do some bundling the major difference in cost is that with each additional unit if you buy a bundle of five as opposed to a bundle of four or a bundle of two they increase the amount of bags on the front they'll give you 2400 bags to start or something but what I'll do is I'll see what the other options are and I'll write that up and put it to Julie thank you yeah alright so no Mikayla yet yeah she said she was coaching tonight if and when if we could go ahead on that action we do know that she is willing to take on that appointment as the Rochester's emergency management director so I would move to appoint her as that on favor thank you Mikayla coaching before you move on wait until after the next meeting to put out something about that we're trying to do this no no we can put that out now even if we don't know exactly what the cost is going to be but yeah it'll also help us determine you know what to do what to spend on okay and we need to say that people should send donations to the town for the invitation that is for yeah excuse me I have that separate article that he talked to Susie about and I was going to hold it until next week after I heard what you talked about today so I can edit it to make you know it whatever you'd like to say like just it's going to be just bag dispensers not just not deposit places yeah and then I can have them send donations to the town if you prefer that to the PO box town clerk's office and right on the check in the lower left hand corner that it's a donation for the dog station yep that sounds good Marcia is that okay so that that can run in next week's paper unless you if you have any changes I can let me know okay it won't run this it won't run this week okay the dogs will run though so we've got the we have an updated local emergency management plan for 2022 which is something that we need to approve and we adopt it or just approve it has to be approved and and then sent to Kevin Geiger to Rivers by May 1st we do this every year the only changes from last year a couple of phone numbers and name changes and also identifying Mikhail as the emergency medical yeah Director it is updated yep so I moved to approve update and approve Nancy you have a question on that does Makayla's appointment also include the regional emergency director position yeah that's automatic goes with the position yeah okay and along with that approval we also have to approve the local emergency management plan municipal adoption form for 2022 basically that's just what we have to fill out to adopt the plan the same as last year yep so we moved those two things yep I'll second all in favor okay and an old business also we have the review of the master financial policies I had just a couple things a couple of typos we in section 3 the cash receipts petty cash and return check policy the authorized personnel it didn't include the fire department in the list of things that are entities and also the proper payee section should include them too I think those were two of the things that I took out of that and you can see that by reading that paragraph there so other than that I didn't find some but I think that Barb got a copy of this too right am I correct on that yeah everybody yeah they don't have a meeting until next month I think she was going to read through that so we'll just keep this on old business and keep picking away yeah I didn't see anything else that was major I saw a couple charts in there but I didn't understand them I'll let somebody else think about that these are the forms for the emergency management plan and also did we have second constable is still vacant we don't have and tree warden I guess we can hang on that and see what the interest grows on that we need to get a fuller copy of this you guys should read it to see what you think I mean I personally think we're better off being served by the select board on that but you guys can read it and see what you think so we're adding a capital planning committee to the appointments is that what I'm reading and then right now we have under there Greg White, Barb DeHart Nancy Woolley, Lois Bond Justin LaPell and the select board members anybody else you probably don't need any more right now if you want to add people you can do it and because it's a committee it does fall under open meeting law so the meetings will be warranted and minutes will be taken alright so I'd move to make that appointment on favor alright taking away at that alright see we have some bills to sign and then we're going to have a brief executive session to talk about employee issues unless anybody else has something to talk about anybody in zoomland Martha's on meeting on meeting, nope nope alright perhaps we can make that appointment our next meeting I'll see you in a minute now I can't wait to get back to you and talk about she looks like she's all set excuse me now I was moving my mouse along so I could hit leave when you were done sorry excuse me it's all good