Hi, this is Debbie Daschinger and welcome to Dear2Dream. Today's show features the amazing Gail Lin, who is a pioneer in frequency healing. Gail is the inventor of the harmonic egg, a resonant chamber that delivers a bioenergy therapy which restores the body's balance and promotes healing. Dear2Dream podcast won the COVR Award for Best Radio and Podcast Show. WELP Magazine lists this as one of the top 20 best podcasts to listen to this year. It's high ranking in self-improvement under Apple Podcasts. And I just got some beautiful news today. I woke up to receive an email and was notified that Dear2Dream with Debbie Daschinger just won three Talk Radio Positive Change Awards specifically under inspiration, motivation, self-improvement, as well as spirituality, all three categories. I am so grateful because it means you guys are listening. And I think as this world is swirling and changing is what I really wanna say. This is such a beautiful opportunity for us all. What new choices we're gonna make, how we're gonna step out, how we're gonna change, heal our wounds and know that we came here to be a light at a really auspicious time. So the conversation today with Gail is gonna be talking about an invention that can actually assist you on your way. I also wanna thank the sponsors of the show, Dr. Dane Here and Access Consciousness. They do energy work out into the world so you can become a facilitator or you can take one of their classes. Anywhere, go to drdanehere, H-E-E-R dot com. I am Debbie Daschinger, I'm a book writing coach and I help you go from the idea of your book to the completion and publication. Additionally, I've got a company that takes your book to a guaranteed international bestseller. I am getting so many calls about this right now, a lot of clients coming on board for the bestseller program. And finally, I teach you how to be interviewed on radio and podcasts and get massive results. So you can be your own PR publicist. I love to help you get kickstarted in this so that you can start to become way more visible and comfortable with all these media modalities. Go to debbiedaschinger.com slash gift, my gift to you. There's templates and videos and all these beautiful, easy how-tos. It's D-E-B-B-I-D-A-C-H-I-N-G-E-R dot com slash gift. So my guest today, Gail Lynn, is a renowned visionary. She's an inventor. She is a pioneer in the realm of frequency healing, known for her groundbreaking creation, The Harmonic Egg. She's the author of Unlocking the Ancient Secrets to Healing, Why Science is Looking to the Past for the Future of Medicine. And Gail's journey was born out of personal adversity. In 2007, at the age of 37, Gail faced a life-altering diagnosis of severe cardiovascular stress, a condition formed by the relentless stress of two challenging relationships and three fiercely competitive careers in the automotive, telecommunications, and film industries. To restore her health, Gail immersed herself in the realm of energy medicine, culminating in the creation of The Harmonic Egg, a healing chamber that integrates cutting-edge light and sound technologies with the use of sacred geometry and Tesla mathematics. The Harmonic Egg offers a life-changing solution for individuals seeking to restore balance and vitality. If you'd like to learn more about Gail and her transformative work, go to HarmonicEgg.com. And with that, I welcome the amazing Gail Lynn to Dare to Dream. It's great to have you. Oh my gosh. Thank you so much. That's so exciting. I was really looking forward to this today. Thank you. I loved your book, by the way. And I loved all the transparency in it. And wow, what an amazing life journey. I know you must be very happy to be where you are.  And you are told by the doctors, you have the heart of an 80-year-old. Oh my God. That must have been such a depressing doctor appointment. It was. And I knew that I needed to make some changes quickly. Otherwise, I wouldn't be here much longer. Yeah. So is that, I mean, I know from your story that there were these elements. And if I may, one of the things I noticed about the elements that were unfolding, even though there was a lot of stress and disappointment going on in the early years, still you were accumulating knowledge from the various things you opened yourself up to doing, which I feel really assisted in your invention right now. But also you were an avid reader, right? And you were very involved with like metaphysics and all of these beautiful transformative books out there. And so with all the healing and the changes you've done, do you now have a younger heart than an 80-year-old? I do. Actually, an anti-aging doctor said, you need to be careful. You're 53 now, which you could still get pregnant because you have the body of a 35-year-old. And I was like, what? That's amazing. Well, that egg, as we know these kinds of conscious technologies, when we change our mindset, we don't have to age. You know, this is all stuff that we've been hoodwinked to believe. And so I feel like the more sessions I do, the younger I'm getting. And I have a 70-year-old center owner, and she's going to be doing some podcasts to show her picture from 10 years ago in her picture now. She looks younger. She just did a skydive with her granddaughter. And she said it has to be from the egg. She's a naturopathic doctor. And she said, I haven't done anything different. And I look younger. I feel younger. And she's so amazing, such an amazing soul. So, yeah, so I look back at my journey and laugh and laugh and laugh, how the universe put me into engineering and automotive and then in international business and telecom and then in Hollywood for the extemporaneous communication and being in front of the camera. And I just laugh and laugh. And then I had to have the health scare to find my way back to health. And it's just, it's comical how we can be guided. And I'm a yes person. I say yes. Something happens. I say yes. Now, do I say no sometimes first? Of course. I'm human. When it was presented. The journey and being in this field to help people to heal. I thought now I'm not going to do this. So when I resisted it, of course, it was like a bad country song. I lost my dog, my job, my house. And until I said yes. Then everything was going to be blocked. And this is the path of the universe. And I lost in the universe one or God or source or whatever words you use. And so it's been such a blessing that I feel it has been bestowed upon me to bring this out to the world and then to inspire people to inspire people to know that you can do your dream. We just had an owner call. I do a video call with my owners every other Friday. And I said, my sister's on the call. She's our fulfillment manager. And I said, I've lost everything three or four times. And my sister just says, I've lost count because I always say yes, but I was building other people's dreams. I was building dreams for other people now that I'm building my own dreams, everything is working out brilliantly. So it's so wonderful. Well, I experienced your egg yesterday. And so here's something synchronistic. I love when these things happen and you know you're supposed to be connected with somebody such as yourself and your products such as your egg. So as it goes, I had, I have a client and she actually wanted to have a phone call right now. And I said, I can't and I don't know why because I would typically never do this, but I said, I can't. So I am meeting with Gail Lynn and interviewing her, the woman from the harmonic egg thinking, oh, she won't know and moving on. And she writes back, oh my God, I love her. I'm actually talking to her and I'm trying to get a harmonic egg here in Nashville, Tennessee. So I was like, all right, this is amazing. And I get it. I get when the universe is making those connections. Then yesterday I drove quite a distance actually from California to Santa Clarita here in California. I met with one of your owners by the name of Alex. And what a beautiful experience that was. So first of all, Alex sat with me in his beautiful lobby and he spent so much time getting to know me, explaining the machine, what it would be like, even to go as far as to say that when he drove into the parking lot that morning, because he's got two different eggs. He typifies it as one with more divine feminine energy and one with more masculine energy. And the male, if you will, the masculine energy, egg spoke to him and said, you know, you need to bring her, meaning me, into the egg. I'm working on her today. I have activations and healings for her. And I was like, that is so appropriate for where I am right now. So we spent all this time. Then I went in the room. I was gobsmacked when I saw it because it's stunning. It's, it is huge. It felt like I was climbing into a spacecraft for sure. And you've got something up at the top. I won't pretend to know half of what's in there, but there's something up at the top. It's sort of a circular piece. I thought, oh my God, I wanted to move ahead like a side. And when this takes off, I want to be able to see space. That was my feeling. And then I was very sad when it was over. I thought, I think I need more time in here. So I'm definitely going to book more sessions. And I had interesting things happen. I thought I would fall asleep and I didn't. But I went into a state. I don't know that I, what the name of it is, but it was incredibly relaxed. And I, yeah, had occasional beautiful visions of things. And even of being worked on in particular ways that surprised me. And I got a little bit of directive on some things. And then when I came out, of course, Alex spent time with me again, you know, gave me a little bit of something, a notch to ground me and some electrolytes. And of course we found out we had tons in common. And then I said, I really want your card before I leave. And he gives me this beautiful postcard. I went, oh my goodness. Do you know that three years ago during COVID, I have a girlfriend who went for whatever reason all the way to Santa Clarita and experienced this and gave me the same postcard afterwards and said, you need to go do this. So I was like, all right, here we are. So all of that to give the audience a bit of an entree and, and entering into the idea of this beautiful stunning egg. And let me know if there's anything you want to add to that. So I'm making notes because I do want to address some of the things so we can explain it to your audience. And what I tried to create was a divine feminine business model of cooperation so that, you know, I wasn't the person that like just sold something to them and then disappeared. So I have owner calls, our brand attributes, our love, integrity, reliability and community. So I want everybody that. Oh, what a great model. Yeah, it's touched everybody that's touched by an egg. I want them to feel love. They feel like it's a cocoon and they've been hugged. And when they walk into a center, just like you experienced with Alex, he's a lovely soul being. But the eggs find these soul beings that are, that they want to be their guardians. We call them a guardians. And when you go to a center, you're not a number. You're not a dollar amount. You are somebody that we respect and that we honor. And we try to support you on your journey. We ask you, you know, these questions, what do you want to work on? And we help you set that intention so that we're holding that intention for you. You are holding the intention. The egg is amplifying the intention. It's, it's an amplifier really. So what I've been manifesting like crazy when I do my sessions, it's so easy anymore. Even just the simplest things. Oh, I need a $20 bill for a tip. And then all of a sudden the $20 bill shows up.  So you're tuned into the, the oneness and the universal wisdom. So beautiful, beautiful. What you go to as the level below the level of consciousness at an awakened state. So you feel like you're in that hypnagogic state because the vibrations and the resonance of the sacred geometry is actually that. And you're being immersed in this beautiful music. And so people actually have smells because it's like you're in an REM sleep state, but you're awake.  And then your body knows how to heal itself. So the egg is just the magic of the egg is to create an environment for your body to heal itself naturally. So that's the magic because your body is the magic.   Somebody has a fatty liver. Sometimes there's a garlic and onion smell. That's some digestive problems when they haven't really eaten garlic and onions. And so different smells are different detoxes and indication sometimes mold, mildew. And so we'll smell these smells, but it's really the body being in that REM level below consciousness and giving it its ability to heal that it's just able to detox. So it is a detox. So we tell people five to seven days to integrate. Don't go do other detoxes because we don't want you to have a healing crisis. So respect all these modalities that are coming out now and do them as they're intended to be used. So some people will come in and have a spa day. So they said, well, I've done massage today. I've been to my chiropractor, I've been to my acupuncture. So now I'm here for my egg session. And I would tell them, you know what? It's too much. Just come back another day when you can really honor this modality and honor the other modalities that you've done and fully integrate because people will actually think it's so simple. It's so subtle. There's a little bit of music. There's some lights. How can it be so intense and powerful? But because it is a galactic technology, it's very powerful. We want people to understand that you don't eat breakfast, lunch and dinner at the same time. You eat breakfast, let it integrate, let it digest. Same with energy work. You must let it digest or integrate. And each egg does have a personality and they are conscious technologies and they're all connected. So the more that are coming on the planet connected to the Earth's grid, the more powerful they're all becoming. It's very beautiful. And Alex does tune into his eggs and really listens to them. And they do. They say, I had one of my eggs tell me, bring me the girl. Like, why bring you the girl? It was a young girl. And that was the egg that wanted to serve this girl. She had gotten her hair dyed for the first time at like age 13 and within hours she was paralyzed from the waist down. And she had to do a lot of stuff to get back to good. Something happened. I'm sure it was where her glass was already full. And that, that just spilled the glass over and created this within a few hours of paralyzed from the waist down. And the eggs that bring me the girl. And I was seven 30 in the morning. I'm like, who's talking to me? And so one of my three eggs, you know, wanted to serve her. And so they do have different personalities. I had a funny one. I had a serious one. And I had one that was so cocky. It's like better than the other two because I see animals because we had one egg with a platform for you to bring your dog in. And you could sit on the platform. And most of them have a chair. And that one was like, I see animals. I see people. I'm better than those other two. So very fun. And a lot of the center owners will name their, their eggs. The eggs name themselves really. They find the piece of land. They find the owners. It's just beautiful. And then the last thing you said was the, the circular structure, which reminds me, I love the moon energy. I've always been kind of, you know, astrological girl, you know, tuned into the planets. And it's like an eclipse. So you're leaning back and it just looks like an eclipse. And sometimes I feel like I could just reach into infinity through that, that circle that's surrounded by the light. So amazing. I had totally forgotten that lights go off and their sacred geometry. Do you know, I wasn't aware of any of it. I know that music. Oh, and he picked such, such correct music for me. It was beautiful. And that was transformative. But I mean, I, like you said, I was put into that state that not quite sleeping, but not conscious, but where the body and the being can heal itself, be in a state of, of wellness. And yeah, every so often I'd get like, I had a very interesting experience where I have the, one of the reasons why I wanted to experience the egg was because I have arthritis and I'm completely over it. I think this is super old stuff, but I'm complete with it. You know, thank you so much. I'm done. Let's move on. And during the egg experience. I saw, and this, this is one of those like, where did that come from? And I know if I went on, on a browser, I could pull up this picture in one second, you'd know what it is, but it is absolutely Chinese related. And it is something they use a lot on their buildings, ancient buildings. And I think sometimes in pictures today, but it is an animal.  I don't know if it would be a depiction of a cat or a dog, but this animal literally came to me with major claws and was scraping in my knee. Now my first thought was, whoa, that's going to hurt. And no, I felt absolutely nothing. And I know enough to surrender and say, wow, this is pretty cool. Completely unexpected.  And I let go and, you know, until the next thing happened. Yeah. Well, and I don't want anybody to feel afraid that something like this might come out because it's really beautiful. We've had so many people say there was something there, but I didn't, I wasn't afraid. And I felt like I was safe.  So look up the meaning of the wolf and they would call me the next day and say, I looked it up. Oh my gosh, it's exactly what I needed. It's the message I need.  And as soon as we acknowledge them and learn the lesson that that message is there for, it can disappear in a second. Who's to say that a bone needs six to eight weeks to heal or you can't, you know, cancer is a death sentence. It's not, it's a message. And the longer that you ignore those messages, the louder it's going to yell at you. And so you might have just stubbed your left toe and then you all broke your right leg. And then you tore your rotator cuff. You're not listening. And then, then it might manifest in the cancer because they, your body has to scream at you because you're not listening. But over the years I've learned how to listen to my body and everything is gone. I feel healthier and more vibrant now than I've ever found in my entire life. It is so beautiful.  Yeah, I love that. And I do want to experience this more. And I do want to bring my dog for sure. I think she'll love it. And I want to talk about where the technology comes from because I understand that Syrian as in the planet Sirius and the being Syrian have something to do with this. Will you talk about what the galactic origins are? Yes. I didn't know why I came to this planet for a really long time. But when I was in the prototype egg, I remember the feeling of being born. And I thought this is really weird that there's something above the ceiling. I saw my mom there. I saw my dad there. Doctors were there, but something was like rubbing their hands together and going, she's here. And it was so beautiful. And then I realized that I'm here for a reason, that I'm here to serve and to support and help humanity to find this noninvasive healing in the future of medicine of frequencies, which is now. And so over the years, I was always questioning, what is this? Where is this coming from? Like the movie Contact, where the diagrams and the drawings kind of came through. And I was able to draw it and depict it when I don't know where it actually came from. So I was sitting in the egg one day, and what they showed me was Planet Sirius B. I used to be there past life. And my teachers are the ones that are bringing this to me. And I signed up to be on planet Earth, and they're supporting me. So when I was in there, I had blue light on the bottom and purple on the top. And I just had this really strange cry. I was crying because I finally connected to them again. And I felt their presence and so much love, but then sadness that I miss them so much. So it was a really strange cry. And then they showed me my friend's face, my friend Douglas. And I thought, why are they showing me Douglas's face? And I said, he's Syrian as well. So I hadn't spoken to him for probably 10 years. He's this crazy guy that just is older and super wise. He's lived with a Bushman. He's done brotharian diets. He's done everything.  I said, would you happen to be Syrian? He goes, well, yes, I am. Why do you ask? But this is either going to be a strange conversation or it's going to be really comfortable. And it was really comfortable. But can you come in to the center and tell me what you feel with this egg? And he said, absolutely. So he shows up a couple of days later. He looks at it and he says, huh, he said, you and I met on a spaceship when we were out in outer space. Your current boyfriend was the mechanic. And I flew these eggs shaped ships. You were the master geneticist. He said, as long as I blew up, as long as you had one cell, you would bring me back. Every time you would bring me back. I would blow up, you could have one cell, you'd bring me back. And he said, so I think this technology is going to rejuvenate people. It's going to help them like anti-aging and all kinds of great things to help them to heal. So he said, I don't want to lean back in the chair. You know that the chair is like a recliner chair. He said, I don't want to lean back because when I flew these ships, I was sitting up and the controls were right here. So he came out and I said, how was the experience? And he said, it was the most divine, feminine, beautiful experience I've ever had in my life. He said they were, they were in there so kind and so gentle and they were just rubbing my face and my cheeks. And he said, and it was just this beautiful healing. And he said, like, good job. Because I really think that sometimes our egos get in the way as human beings. And what I wanted to make sure the download was authentic, it was exactly what I was given. And it wasn't me getting in my own way and just making up stuff and say, well, maybe we'll add this or maybe we'll add that. Because over the years I've heard at least 100 people tell me how they would have done it differently. And it had to be wood. It couldn't have all this technology. I didn't want screens in there. I didn't want Wi-Fi in there. None of the equipment has run off of Wi-Fi or Bluetooth. If you do test the EMS in there, there's no EMS in there. It's like a fair day cage because of the sacred geometry and the dimensions and the intention and the love. And there's so much, the lights, the sound, the consciously created music. I only hire musicians who have a high heart energy and an intention to help heal the planet. So the music is so beautiful. And there's so many things like Taj Mahal. Every tile has an intention. Every piece of this has an intention of what it's supposed to be, what it's supposed to do, and how it's supposed to serve and support the people that are in there. I love the fact that you just said in the beginning of this that your friend Douglas talked about that these were spaceships that you flew because that was my feeling. And I don't know that anybody else says that, but the moment I was stunned, I didn't know what to expect. And I don't know if people can see on the cover of your book, but also in my newsletter about our interview, I'm going to include pictures of me in front of the egg because I want people to see some of the inside and the outside of it. But it is nothing that's claustrophobic. It is, you know, a grand design. But I know when I entered it immediately, that was my feeling. I am getting in a spacecraft. So whether that's my extreme sensitivity or that's for me and other lifetime knowing that was definitive for me. And I love the fact that, you know, people like, that's a lot of people over a hundred people telling you how to better your design, even though you get this gorgeous galactic download on it and saying, no, it needs to be made of wood or you need wifi. And it doesn't. After experiencing it needs none of those. I'm so glad you stuck to what you knew was your unique design and invention. And, you know, this is very powerful. I think also because a lot of your history with the relationships and so forth, you were in, there was a disempowerment that went on. And I can relate to that too with some past relationships, you know, because it's a, it's painful, but it's a great learning tool to say, I'm never going to do that again. I'm going to do me, period. And so with all that you've got going on with the egg, talk about what kind of things Gail, it works on. What do you know it can heal? Absolutely.  And I said, no. And I said to her only men invent things where that came from. I have no idea, but I do. And that's what I said. It's an only men invent things and she wanted to slap me. And, but I grew up in, you know, Detroit automotive industry. Then I was in the good old boys network and telecom. And so that came through. And the, the fact that what you said, people, even claustrophobia tell me it feels really expansive in there. And Jake Weaver from the midnight on earth podcast was just in a center and doing a session in Oregon. And he said after the doors closed, he felt that the walls disappeared and he was in the universe. It was in spaceship and he just saw stars. So it was really beautiful. It was really beautiful. It was really beautiful. It was really beautiful. Everybody has their own experience with it, depending on where you are in your, in your journey. So what it can help with is anywhere from A to Z. And I can't say that it's the silver bullet, but if there's a silver bullet, this is it because your body can heal itself naturally. So if the egg puts your body into an environment to reset your autonomic nervous system and to clean out your chakras and balance your body and create a home meal and when it brings that space of love and you walk into the space of the center and you are met with somebody who's super loving and you feel that love and you raise your vibration disease doesn't live in love. Disease doesn't live in gratitude. Disease lives in fear, shame, guilt, envy, jealousy. So what it does is it connects you to the confidence of your higher self. So you can spend that time being confident, love, gratitude and disease just kind of melts away. So it also helps with environmental toxins. So Parkinson's is often heavy metals, neurological, creating the tremors. So we will smell heavy metals. The body is healing itself because you're resetting that autonomic nervous system, your rest and digest, your fight or flight coming into balance and the body is able to just then release those toxins that are stuck in there, release that emotional trauma that's stuck in the cell memory. I was molested by the priest of a parish when I was 14 and that was my story for a long time and it's not my story anymore. It's something that happened to me and now I can send so much love to that priest and say thank you for the experience because now I can help women who come in and I used to have my own center who say I was molested and I can tell them you don't have to be that story. That doesn't have to be your story. You're going to release that rape. Any kind of victim hood is a negative lower vibration. We have to forgive. We have to raise ourselves above that and be in a place of love and gratitude and disease can't touch you. That's my opinion. I really like that. This is because one of my dreams for when we have first open contact with other beings from other planets, I don't like to call them aliens, but our family, our cosmos family and brothers and sisters, I'm very excited for that galactic connection. One of the technologies I'm most excited about is a med bed. This feels like the start of that. One of the other things I thought was really interesting was, you know, there's paperwork to fill out before the appointment and paperwork can be very annoying because specifically when you're going to see a western doctor, my experiences, I'll fill out four pages of stuff. I go in to see him or her and they actually never read it and so they're asking me these questions all over again. I find that annoying. But with your paperwork, it actually is something that the owner or whomever is the facilitator needs to know about you very deeply because they're going to set the music for you, the lights for you, the experience for you and whatever your challenges are. And I thought, well, amazing. Somebody actually cares about what I have to say and where I've been and why I'm here. It's important. Well, that's what I tell my center owners and they also feel it. It's not like I have to tell them because the eggs have attracted them to be their guardians and we feel like everybody is important. Everybody is an integral part of their community. Everybody has a contribution and we all are one. And so what one of us is suffering, we're all suffering. So as an empath, which is a superpower, I feel the suffering of what's going on in society. And so I try to transmute it and stay in a place of love and gratitude and smile at people and hug strangers and talk to people. And it's just, I think we need to get to that place where we're all, we all understand we're in this together and we should love each other more and not fear each other more. And so, yeah, the men beds, I just, it's so funny that you said that because I just got a text from somebody who just purchased an egg for their home. And she said, I think it's time for me to tell you who I am. I'm not from here. And she said, I'm here to help you. We just sold our business and we're going to create these sanctuaries and every sanctuary is going to have an egg. And she said, these are the men beds. And I'm reading this going as a big long text. And I was like, holy cow.  And it just, I'm so humbled by it. I understand that the harmonic egg and maybe the ellipse have this ability to detect the vibration of our body and any imbalance. Can you talk about that? Yeah. So we talk about there's science behind it, but you know, there's really not a machine out there that can test scale our waves right now and can test frequencies and can test, you know, the body. So what we've come up with, with using the pendulums and dowsing and I just contact a lot of healers and, you know, because I don't want to be the one that says this is what it's doing and because I don't know. So I ask other people, I think, I think this is what it's doing. Can you kind of tune in and confirm or deny that? And so we have an energy of the human energy. So that interacts somehow with the egg energy and the egg can find those places that are imperfections and target them. So a lot of people will say, so weird.  You know, some people will be listening to this, so I don't want to say here. But then they walk out to their car and they're flinging their arm up and down like they're cheering and you can tell that they're just shocked that in one session they can have that range of motion. It is so, so crazy. So I think, yes, the egg is finding a way, if you can think of things like a frequency. It's giving off a frequency and then the egg can hit it with an exact opposite frequency to neutralize it. So it's, oh, that's Lyme disease. Let's hit it with an exact opposite frequency and slam neutralize it. Have it go dormant so that it's not plaguing the person anymore. What is your recommendation for how many sessions? Do you go intuitive with somebody or how would I know how many for me versus maybe a man who has stage three prostate cancer versus et cetera. Right. It is a bit intuitive, but I tell everybody three to six sessions is really going to tell you what it can do for you because you don't run a marathon by running around the block. You train for it. You have to, there's muscle memory that has to train. So this is the same thing. If you have abused your nervous system and fight of light in stressful situations and all of a sudden you have certain diseases, that's the normal. Your body thinks that's normal and that's what it's created. So in order to undo that three to six sessions is recommended. And a lot of centers sell packages of three and six. There's 10 session protocols. So we actually spend the time with you to find out what is it you want to work on. What level of wellness do you wish to achieve? Do you want to continue to do maybe monthly sessions to increase your spiritual awareness after you've kind of worked on the physical, the environmental, the emotional, which is what every day. And then you want to work on the spiritual. So the more I do sessions, the more intuitive I am. I can get into an elevator and I can pretty much tell you what's going on with people. I can pick up their energy. I know how they're feeling. It's a blessing and a curse sometimes because sometimes I'm so sad for people. I'm like, oh, that person is so sad and so heavy. And so it just depends on what level of wellness you wish to achieve. But three to six sessions to give it a try. Don't go in once and say, oh, it worked or didn't work. You really need to give it a try. It's not magic. Yeah. Talk more about the importance of the music. How is it used? How is it put together? What is its function? So when I first started this journey, I read at least 98 books on frequencies. You know, Sylvagio Suite, 528 Hertz, Heal the DNA, and nothing was resonating with me until I picked up a book by K Gardner who's now passed called Sounding the Inner Landscape. And that was the aha moment. The waveforms of the instruments and how they affect the organs. It's not about the frequencies because the egg itself will resonate at 1400 Hertz. They started out at 900, but the more eggs that go on the planet, the more they're all connected, the more powerful they're all becoming. Why would I want to put 396 or 528 in there? So I focus on the keys or the tones of the instruments. So it might be a flute and the key of C. And then I'm going to combine that with drumming. So the waveform of the flute and the waveform of the drum, it's going to do one thing for certain people for their intention. Then I'm going to look at piano. And then I'm going to look at the instruments because it seems to be the thing. The waveform is resetting the nervous system and heart rate variability tests are showing that every time you do the egg, there's some improvement to the autonomic nervous system. So yay. We've done live blood analysis. We've done different things with different instruments. And then I said, okay, so if this is doing this and this is doing this, we're going to have a brain tumor. We're going to work with the instruments and the colors that bring the third eye chakra back into balance. And so I found that the waveforms are really important for the systems and the organs of the body. And then we work with the chakras with the colors. And so we combine that as Edgar Casey said a long time ago, bring together the spiritual forces of sound, the spiritual forces of light. It would be a great modality for the consciousness and royal rife and Wilhelm Reich with the organ box. And Nikola Tesla all kind of came through in really geeking out with me. And in one of Alex's eggs in Santa Clarita, somebody had seen royal rife. And they didn't know who it was. It was a young girl. And she said, I saw this man and Alex is so intuitive. He said, was it this guy? And she's like, that was him. She said he was in there like tweaking things and turning things and just sit there. She said it was hilarious. And another woman had seen Kay Gardner, a little blonde lady in her session just kind of sitting on the edge of the chair. So I feel like they're so proud of, you know, bringing this together and collaborating with me. And so the music is so important that the musicians have a high heart energy because I think I believe that if you eat food from somebody who's angry, you can kind of eat their anger. And so what about somebody who's singing a song and they're angry?  So I'm really careful about what kind of music we put in there so that people are having the best experience they can possibly have. Yes. The music was very important.  So I would be really sensitive to that. And I'm a singer. We've got a medicine band and that is the thing I lead with always when whether we're doing a sound bath or a festival or a ceremony for me, it is about leading with love and allowing the love to come through my voice and my being. People feel it is no doubt that is the one. The music heals or the sound bath heals and that's nice but I really believe it's the love. It's the energy holding the room and the people that makes the difference. So that makes a lot of sense to me. And then what about the sacred geometry because that's the other thing I was like, whoa, I was totally unaware. I don't know what was going on with the sacred geometry. Can you describe it and what I missed when I was in my trance? The golden ratio is really an important element I think for nature and when you look at it in nature you see a lot of petals of flowers you'll say, oh that has six petals, that has nine petals, that has three petals and Tesla had a lot to do with three sixes and nines and if everything's divisible by that even when I was young I had number three was my softball number and I just had to have number three. So I've always been obsessed with numbers like this and sixes and nines and so I think the sacred geometry is so important to the power of the harmonic egg. We actually have a center in Fort Myers. It survived the hurricane. We have a center in Louisville, Colorado that survived the Marshall fires. We have the center in Garland, Texas that survived a tornado. There was a center in Traverse City that survived a flood and if you look at nature says, oh sacred geometry let's go around that and it's almost proof when I hear these stories I'm like everything was devastating with the Marshall fires in Louisville but and then Maui we have eggs of Maui. So all of these survived these natural disasters so the power of sacred geometry in nature and how the pyramids are still standing there's such there's something there. Now I can't claim to know exactly what that is but there's something there. Yeah that's amazing I need to be some sacred geometry so everything just rolls right past me that's beautiful not that I attract a lot of stuff but still that's that's uber power and I admit the only time I've ever seen sacred geometry and I have seen it with my own eyes is when I was in ayahuasca and it just changed the landscape of everything I would normally perceive with my vision and suddenly I would look out and it was everywhere it was so beautiful the colors and the forms it took ah you know that will be with me forever this can be a natural high you don't have to do ayahuasca or smoke a joint or do I think so many people tell me gal this was a natural high and even when I come out people are more beautiful colors are more vibrant and babies and animals will come up to me like I have a different aura it's like a rainbow color that's what I've been told that people describe and so babies will be crying I walk into a restaurant way and then they stop and look at me or somebody's dog will run up to me and they're like oh my god my dog doesn't go up to anybody like who are you or I sit in an airport I'm sitting in an airport in Key Largo or in a Fort Lauderdale coming home from Key Largo the lady was sitting next to me and she's like you're weird but I like you she was a New Yorker right so she just said whatever was on her mind and she's like you're weird but I like you I changed numbers and the next day I texted her she got to her place safely and I got an XO like okay I just met this lady but already there's the XO lovin hugs or lovin kisses whatever and so I feel so honored to be somebody that people can feel that and hopefully that they can feel more of that with strangers that just that love and that oneness Do you have a success story you can share I know you have many but is there something that comes to mind apropos to this particular conversation about somebody who went in for the egg and had a really phenomenal result and experience Well what just showed up in my head was to tell the story of my boyfriend he is 71 next week and he lost his wife after 7 years they met in the Navy he was in the Navy for 22 years he brought a cold home from the plant because after he retired from the Navy he worked for Sarah Lee Bakery and you know brought home a cold and she got the cold she got pneumonia she aspirated in the shower and passed away a few months later he had a heart attack and 20 they said I think they said 20% of this I can't remember how much his heart died and so he ended up with stints and a pacemaker and I think it was a broken heart and so he's been doing sessions we've been together now 10 years this was 14, 15 years ago he lost his wife and he's been doing sessions and he had to get the pacemaker battery replaced after 10 years they replaced the battery so they needed to get his ejection fraction number his cardiac output number and I get work with a lot of medical doctors who are so into this because they said we can't reset the nervous system with any medicine we have so we love this and so he says give me his numbers give me his cardiac output and his ejection fraction numbers and I'll tell you how much of his heart is dead when I gave him the numbers he said these are his numbers I said yeah those are his numbers he said this is a fully functioning heart I said wait what are you saying he said it's either regenerated or they should have never put in the pacemaker they should have never done this dance so we don't know I ordered his medical records but we couldn't find the data so I will just say that I think his heart regenerated I think our hearts and our organs can regenerate I think that we're just hoodwinked into believing we can't heal we can't you know because it's it takes away our power we have so much power but I also tease him I'm like it's because he's so much your heart grew like the Grinch right so I tease him but that's just one story and it was over time I mean it was probably a year's worth of sessions but we do have people like in one session a lady came in and she said you know I don't have medically for medical tests I don't have Lyme disease anymore but she said I'm still getting the symptoms of Lyme disease but the doctors say I can't help you because you don't have it medically you don't have it anymore so she went into the egg and she said that she saw this blue energetic tick in her head and she said that's crazy she said it popped out of her head it ran around inside the egg she said an Andromedan being came in and chomped it up and she's telling me this in the lobby with people who are maybe not really in tune with this and I'm trying to shut her up because they're going to run out the door but the way she said it was so much love and compassion and passion they were sitting there with their hands on their how do I describe what I'm doing the hand on my chin like so enthralled with the conversation and she said that's what I needed I needed to release the energetic tick it wasn't about the physical it was about the energy of it still there wow how powerful when we have a condition for so long there is the physical 3D aspect and that makes sense and that can be healed 100% and yet when you have something that is persisted for so very long like a record the place over and over there is a groove we can get into with a way of being well I am this I have that and that is a whole another aspect of letting go and I love that you shared that story I don't know how many of you out there are thinking about yourselves and what you've held on to energetically or frankly what is energetically held on to you and we've allowed because we didn't know but that we could you know with an egg at some way to choose that peace that aspect that's no longer needed it served its purpose thank you I send you to the light or the andromedans 100% you know I mean I had a story come up recently where three people so you know how you were talking about the synchronicities three people told me they went to a healer and they got read from somebody that was in the area it wasn't their reading but they were astute enough because they're tuned into their body and their energy enough to know they're not reading me but what if they didn't know and they got this reading and they started thinking oh I'm in this deep dark place and whatever I had a reading when I was 29 years old and the reader said you will not be financially free to your in your 50s and I was already rubbing two nickels together was after a divorce and things were not going well and it really put me in a state of depression for you know a long time but I finally came to grips with okay I'm going to struggle for 20 years until I can have financial freedom what if I didn't have to go through that that she put that in my subconscious and it was not correct and I did I in fact struggled for 20 years until I was in my 50s it was all of a sudden you know and it's like I think that was in my subconscious so we have to be really really careful who we allow into our energy field who we let work on us who we let heal us what you know energies that are in our in our daily lives and we just we have to really take our power back and I think it's really important for people to hear that because a lot of people do get a reading oh you're never going to marry you're never going to find anybody you're never you know who gets to put that limitation on you I call that a black worm meaning that you know there's a worm literally with dark intentions that come into us generally impelled by somebody else and I know exactly what you're saying Gail I've had that as well I had it recently where I was working with somebody I didn't even ask them the question and as you know I do these shamanic programs right I offer programs worldwide through zoom and he said to me out of nowhere and he said oh they want me to tell you that your class your programs not going to do very well you're not going to have as many people as you thought you would but don't worry it's going to get better and better as you go on and I thought why would you feel the need to share that like that's actually information I don't I'm not thrilled to hear I don't even know the validity of it and who you're talking to but I get upset when that happens and people do it all the time they put these you know black worms if you will in your space out of I guess an idea that they're helping somehow but you know then keep that information to yourself if you think it's so true sit back and watch you know watch what I create or anybody else creates and see how right you are also because you and I both know the idea of being a psychic means that you can perceive in this particular moment where a path is headed but the next moment I you anybody else will make a different choice so it's a different path right we have free will so I think it's very important to be so careful with things like this especially for folks who are healers and intuitives and etc out there you know if you know what you know beautiful just be very careful about what you say because everyone is trying so much working so hard to heal themselves to better themselves to become more visible more prosperous you know do the mission we came here to do and I think it's important to get as much support as possible so what do you do gail what do you do on a daily basis that is a ritual or a practice that really helps you to be grounded and to create at the level you create today great question first thing in the morning I go out to my horse I actually moved on to a property so I could be with my horse because she is so grounding and she is so galactic and she is so much of a uniform without the horn she's so spiritual she's you know just amazing I could go on so first thing in the morning go out and feed her she gets a snack a couple hours after she eats she gets she gets to eat every four hours until I go to bed do a night check and so I'm out there and I tap on her neck when she's eating she picks her head up like okay give me my hug I wrap my arms around her and I give her a hug sometimes she gets annoyed and it depends on my energy I can tell when my energy is crappy because she was like uh-uh you're in a bad way don't put that on me don't throw up the energy on me so it's a mirror and I know how I'm being by her mirroring my energy great that's amazing love it so I'm outside all the time rain, snow, sleet, shine I love it so she's my rock she's my bestie I also do yoga every day and I really try to take a lot of breaks so movement and I try to play I didn't have enough play in my life and um I realized that that is needed for me to be creative is to play so we just got back from Key Largo I donated I created a ministry so I could donate to animals and I and children created a scholarship fund with Susie Miller to help autistic families you know with autistic children and I donated to the island dolphin care so we got to go swim with the dolphins and we got to go to their gala so that was my play and I got to do a belly swim with the dolphins and so what it is is you kind of put your hands out and this is murky water so you can't see the dolphins coming but you can put your hands out like Superman and the dolphin all of a sudden pops up and it's right in your face their chest is right there you grab onto their fins pull yourself into their belly and they're swimming upside down with you on their belly amazing oh so I play so those are the things that I do and it's just really important yes yes lovely and this is dare to dream gail what are you next dare to dream what are your future dreams and goals I don't want to say I want to live forever because I really don't but I do want to live into my hundreds and still be of quality life I want to be able to replenish all my vitamins and minerals with colors and sounds I don't want to have to be ingesting toxic food and these you know supplements with fillers I want to be able to find that place in my life where sound and vibrations is giving me everything I need and I want to live where I'm on stage and there's a bunch of young women and they're just like did you hear that old lady and what she's saying like she's talking about sex and she's talking about this and I just want to be an inspiration and just a joy in people's lives to create hope and so that I want people to know that if I can do it anybody can you can do it anybody can and your book unlocking the ancient secrets to healing by gail Lynn folks can find you at harmonic egg.com anyplace else they should look for you that's it that's where all of our locations are you can find the locations you can find the book you can find music and we have a downloadable music with song sheets so they'll tell you these are the instruments that are being used these are the chakras that's going to invoke these are the organs that's going to help these are the colors that you can use while you're listening to this music and it's all consciously created thank you so much for coming on the show today amazing amazing that you stepped into this and who you are today thank you folks I end today's show with this quote from pema children nothing ever goes away it teaches us what we need to know subscribe to this number one transformation conversation the show is dare to dream with debbie dashinger please leave a message please subscribe I depend actually on you guys who watch the show every time you leave a comment and every time you subscribe you help change the matrix of what I'm doing attract more people who need this conversation and it really helps me if you're listening to the podcast and you'd like to see myself and my guest there is the video highly recommended go to youtube.com slash debbie dashinger or Spotify go to dare to dream with debbie dashinger and next week on the show the guest is oh my goodness so excited the amazing John P. Milton he is a meditation and she gong instructor and author and an environmentalist John P. Milton is the founder of sacred passage and the way of nature thank you so much for joining us today on dare to dream always a pleasure and remember somewhere in your future may be a harmonic egg experience


Great, so we're going to introduce our participants. We have Randy King. She's a talent manager for Metal Toad, and she has a lot of experience in hiring developers and technology employees. We have Mike Lamb. He's with us from Pfizer. He's a marketing technology director there. And we have Chris Bloom, a senior developer from Phase 2. And all of this is organized and led by our CTO, Josh Mitchell, and these are really great panelists, so you guys are in for a treat. Yeah, let's dive into this. For those of you who don't know, we did this two hours ago. So you're getting the practiced version. We're all going to be much more polished. And I assume we'll all have twice as many witty jokes because those of us on the West Coast are fully awake now. So Mike may be beginning to fade because he's joining us from Wales. So we'll have to play that by ear. Let's start with some data. We did a survey in July of last year that was really aimed at Drupal hiring and how that works in the community. We saw in that survey that 82% of hiring managers survey plan to hire Drupal talent within the next six months. And 40% of those hiring managers say they're in just this constant hiring Drupal talent mode. So I'm going to throw this out to the panelists. Is this your experience? Is this what you're... I'll say definitely I'm both. So planning to hire talent, and this has been continuous for us for a little while now. I think it's been continuous for us. And a lot of the Drupal shops we work with, as we've seen just massive growth with Drupal and deployments of Drupal in the last couple of years. We mentioned this last time that Phase 2 has been going through some pretty tremendous growth in the last year, especially in Portland with our new office. And I would definitely put us in the constant hiring mode. We kind of always have job listings up on our site. Yeah, we're always looking for really good people. And I would say we are in this...we're pretty much in the same boat. I think ours has kind of come in a wave. We doubled our number of employees last year, and that actually has happened for the last three consecutive years. So we're at 47 people right now with 20 to 25, or excuse me, 25 to 30 of those, our developers, and we're continuing to fill our pipeline with Drupal developers. Well, let's look at some more of those stats. So 92% of the hiring managers that were surveyed said there's not enough Drupal talent. So what has been your experience so far? I know for me that this past year hiring up a Drupal team, I was able to find a great team, but it definitely took longer in some cases. So what are the experiences you guys are seeing? At Metal Code, I would say that it's definitely challenging to find great Drupal talent. I think I mentioned this last time as well that our president, Joaquin Lippincott, has been in communication with several of the code schools in Portland in terms of getting a dedicated Drupal curriculum up and running in order to develop more Drupal talent from within. But other than that, yes, I mean, it's definitely challenging. And like you said, we've been able to do it, but it's taken some hard work. Earlier today, Randy, you were talking about it takes you roughly 30 days from the point of posting to the point of hiring. And would you say, Mike, Chris, would you guys say that's pretty typical for you? Is that 30-day mark something to shoot for? I know for myself it was a little bit longer than that, but we didn't have a dedicated... Yeah, I thought that was really impressive. So I thought that was really fast. So I think the interview process can take... Not the whole series, but it can take a decent chunk of time. But then I guess it also very much depends on the market you're working in. So in the US, I think it's common for it to be faster. Whereas maybe in Europe and some other regions, the notice periods people have with their employees are typically a lot longer. So it can be a many-month process to recruit somebody and have them transition into role as well. What's a typical notice period in the UK as a comparison point? Because I know there's kind of like that two-week minimum, but a lot of developers, especially if they're in the middle of a project, want to get that project done, so they might flex a little bit of time there. But what does it tend to be in the UK? So it's typically a minimum of 30 days, but more often than not, especially in senior roles, it's closest to 90 days. I've seen that several times in senior roles, when it's 90 days. That's when it can take a very long time to transition someone with that kind of notice period. Yeah, at Phase 2, we have a lot of rounds of interviews. We have multiple, multiple rounds. So our process tends to be longer, but we do put folks through kind of more early screening and then more rounds of like technical challenges and things like that. So it is longer for us too. Interesting. Yeah, I can definitely attest that both hiring for the association, and where I'd say it probably took us about 45 days on average, but also having hired in places like higher education and government where maybe those processes took a little bit longer, I had government hires that took 90 days from the point of posting to the end just because of the hiring requirements. It made it a real challenge. The interview process had to include technical tests and the technical tests had to be graded and then you'd go through another couple rounds and then every interview had to have like this cheat sheet that you had to check off all the boxes. So it definitely, we lost a few people over the course of the length of the hiring process. So when I hear about those really quick hiring processes, I'm impressed with that because it tends to mean that you capture the talent. You don't lose them to another opportunity. What's interesting about the hiring process, and I don't know if it's necessarily unique to us, but the Drupal specifics actually don't come in until later. The early rounds are more about fit and culture and just development thinking, that kind of thing. And the Drupal part kind of comes in like once we establish the base, then we can get into kind of the nitty gritty about Drupal and about the stack. Definitely. Let's switch over to the next slide. I want to go ahead and kick off one of the polls. Lauren, are you able to open that poll? Sure. So where are the best places to advertise? Where do you advertise? You can choose as many as you like from the poll options. While we're waiting for the folks who are listening in to respond to that, we're the best places that you guys have seen the developers are looking and what has given you the best value whenever you've posted things? I mentioned this earlier this morning, but Stack Overflow. I've seen their phrases. I actually wrote a blog about my experience using Stack Overflow Careers 2.0. It has been a really great spot because I feel like it's still pretty untapped by recruiters. And they've done a good job of setting up parameters and made it safe for the developers to respond to recruiters kind of in their own time and if they're actually interested and you're limited in terms of how many people you can reach out to as a recruiter. And I think I said earlier it shows their projects so you're able to have somebody that's super technical or who's one of your expert Drupal developers on staff look at some of their work and they can tell you right away if this person's going to be a good fit in terms of technical ability. We do a lot of on-site event recruiting. So a lot of the Drupal cons, like job fairs, a lot of in-person sort of event stuff. For instance, we have someone who's flying out here to Portland and going to check out the PSU job fair for new students or recently graduated students. We put a lot of effort into the face-to-face early on. Online channels, we've actually gotten great traction on Twitter. LinkedIn's kind of there. It's always a thing. Everyone's got a LinkedIn. But there's something about Twitter that's been pretty good for us as well online. But it's still mostly in-person referrals, very boots on the ground kind of recruiting. Excellent. For us, LinkedIn's been pretty successful. So LinkedIn for having our own networks, et cetera. So it's listed here as Drupal jobs. So we're excited about Drupal jobs because before we've been participating in groups and these kind of things, but obviously jobs is one focused area that we can go to. And certainly partners that we're working with are using that already. Excuse me. I'm seeing a huge list of others. So if you marked other and you're on the call right now, if you could drop into the questions, I know it's not really a question, but go ahead and drop in. What are some of the other places that you're using? We're definitely interested in collecting that and finding out where those other places would be. Okay. Lauren, I think you're going to need to close the poll and it should release and come back to my screen. There we go. It worked. We had a little bit of technical difficulty this morning as we were trying to figure this out. But that definitely worked a little bit better this summer. So what are some of the keys that you guys emphasize in your advertising? Something I've seen having launched Drupal jobs. We've seen a lot of great posts and we've seen a lot of very poorly written posts. So bad, in fact, that we've thought about making that feature to offer as someone to help rewrite job posts so that they're going to have a better conversion rate. What are the experiences that you have seen? What are the things that you emphasize that give you the best return when you're posting a job post on one of those services? We've included a developer, Bill of Rights, and that was written by our vice president of growth, and I believe Tony Rasmussen wrote that, and it really emphasizes basically just making sure that developers know that they're going to be taking care of if they come to Metal Code, that there's R&D time, that they have a right to basically work-life balance. Actually, you should take a look at it. I don't have it memorized. So there's 10 rights on the Bill of Rights, but clearly that if you come to Metal Code and you're a developer, you're going to be doing what you love to do, and basically the entire support team is there to make sure that all the blockers are removed from you being able to do what you're good at. Yeah, we also put a big focus on culture when we're talking about Phase 2, the company. We've got these seven values that we stick by as a company. They're up on our site, and one of them is one of the really big ones is fun. It's a work environment. It's enjoyable. People that are enjoyable. Yeah, we try to word that way to really get that point across about who we are at our different offices and what they can expect to find here. That's a similar thing for us. It's both culture and then also depending on the role, try and give them as much of a flavor as possible of the type of challenges that they'll be solving. There are certainly some unique challenges from larger platforms that we can talk to, but rather than just list out a job description, try and share as much as we can about what we're about, what it really is to come over to a team like this as much as we can in a job post. When we're talking, we've got 140 characters to describe a company. It's tough. It's really tough to get that point across. We do this thing where we just grab seven words about Phase 2 that we use everywhere. Those are dedicated, collaborative, smart, authentic, adaptable, fun. If that's the job post, if that's Twitter, if that's LinkedIn, it's a good byline to really get a point across really quickly. I think that helps. I think that really helps. That's nice. It's kind of like your value statement, and then you're applying it to your hiring process. Yeah, exactly. Excellent. I'm going to go ahead and jump to the next poll, which is really what's working for you. How do you actually hire folks? Lauren, if you want to go ahead and open up that poll. While people are voting on that, what are you guys seeing as the most effective for you? Is it word-of-mouth? Is it employee referrals? How are you having the most success whenever you put things out there? So for a metal toad, I think I mentioned earlier employee referrals are huge for us. Word of mouth is definitely working for us. We have our director of development runs a Saturday morning meetup and encourages all kinds of people to attend, people who are wanting to become developers. So maybe they're attending a code school right now, people who are already developers, maybe they're intermediate level, staff level, senior level developers. We even have some project managers that attend our Saturday morning meetup. And Dan is really, really passionate about teaching and making a difference with people. And I think that that just goes to kind of show the culture of metal toad and the respect and like Chris said, our value statement is really important. Respect, curiosity, helping people, all of those things, making, being a contribution. So being, creating value is very, very important. It's one of our values. And all of that helps in recruiting and being able to attract that kind of talent. Yeah, to tie into the referral thing.  It's that right there. I mean, that's two rounds in an interview done. Like you just kind of like, all right, let's get you right to the right to the other parts of the interview process. Like, you know, nothing, nothing's going to replace a referral from somebody that you trust. That's a good point, being able to track down. I certainly agree with what's been said. Go ahead, Mike. That's just, I certainly agree with what's been said there. Probably the leading one on this list for us is events, specifically Drupalcons, whether it's talking to people who have had a particular session around an interesting topic or just networking at these events. That's worked well for us, just thinking through what was said earlier on. Maybe that's also because it's a good opportunity to do the first interview or screening in person as well, if you're hiring a remote team, then that's a little bit harder in the standard process. Obviously Drupalcon is a good opportunity to bring a lot of talent together, so that works pretty well. What would you guys say are the balances that you have between going through Drupal.org profiles and looking for people who are heavy contributors and basically going after them versus people responding to the ads that you put out there or connecting with you at an event. How much does that Drupal.org profile play into your hiring practices? That's a really tough one in that for a while, and I think it might still be around, we had that license to rock or rock score. Certified to rock. Certified to rock, thanks. That's sort of on the same line to me as trolling through a bunch of D.O. profiles and finding someone with a lot of activity and then reaching out to them. I think by the time someone's that deep into the Drupal world or that deep into contributing, it's almost counterproductive to go pursue, go reach out like that at that point. It doesn't hurt to open lines of communication and be talking, but generally by that point people are pretty entrenched where they're at. They're usually pretty happy. It's kind of a unique situation there, but yeah, it's almost like the cold call of the internet recruiting at that point.   I think we might have a slight delay. My apologies. Yeah, I think we've got a delay. No worries at all. This is the extra latency across the pond. We haven't really taken that approach of finding someone's profile on Drupal.org and then pursuing them specifically, but we do use that to learn about people if it's a particular module or a particular area and if we met them, certainly maybe try and start a discussion, but not really the cold calling. Oh, this person looks interesting. Let's give them a call. I haven't taken that approach. I will chime in and say that I think given my background in recruiting, I've always been pushed to do more of the cold call and I have no problem reaching out because I feel like if you can do it with a soft touch, then you're likely to at least get a response and especially, I don't know if everybody on this call is from Portland people listening, but no in Portland, it's definitely a relationship-based town and if you treat people well and respect them and touch bases just based on, like, hey, just reaching out and seeing where people are. I think if you do that, you're bound to cast a wider net and I have been amazed at the places that I have found a good Drupal developer hiding. Like, I just recruited somebody a few months ago who came from working for a CPA firm and he was the one, quote-unquote, IT guy, that's how they viewed him, but he had managed to build an entire learning management system in Drupal and he was severely underpaid and not happy and so we scooped him right up and I think that's been pretty phenomenal. That's awesome. That's very much looking outside of the normal places to track down potential Drupal talent, that maybe he doesn't have the same exposure as someone that's in another shop and you hear about the work that they've been involved in. Right, and I don't think I answered a question at all, but... It was good information, though. Lauren, did we share the poll results for that last one yet? I'm wondering if... Yeah, they're up. Yeah, we can get it. They're up? Okay. I can't see them. They didn't pop up for me this time. Okay. We had advertising at 17%, word of mouth at 17%, employee referral at 50%, events or meetups for 17% and other zero percent. Interesting. Okay, well, great information. I'm going to go ahead and pop over to the next slide here and see if this spurs some more interesting conversation. Interview process. We talked a little bit about the interview process a little bit earlier on. What are the intangibles that you guys include in your interview process, both from how do you sell your organization to folks, but also how do you pick up on the intangibles that maybe somebody is showing you in the interview process? We should let Mike go first. We keep cutting him off because of the delay. No worries. So the interview process itself, we talked about this a bit earlier on, but it kind of plays into the intangibles here as well. So we do a screening and there's a couple of rounds after that. This is why for the intangibles, it's good when you can do it in person as well, because it's much easier to have just a good discussion around the type of work you're doing and the culture and the way in which you do your work. You just get a feeling, I'd say, from those kind of discussions. So as much as we can do doing it in person and just having a good discussion around what it's like to work together and values and culture, et cetera. I was saying earlier as well that this, I found certainly it helps when, just when it's not practical to do an in-person interview and we're doing things remotely, just doing it over video, so Google Hangouts or something similar to that has helped me a lot in getting to know the person when you've never met them before. That's certainly helped with at least finding someone not just the right skills, but also the fit where they're going to enjoy working with the team. Yeah, I'll jump in here real quick. Yeah, the intangibles are, I see the intangibles as being the first couple of rounds of the interview, right? Those are the, you know, we can get to the nitty gritty technical details later, but that culture, if they don't click there, I mean, it's bad for them, it's bad for us, so that's usually something we look for right away. We see if the culture is a really, really good fit. And then the two things, attitude and passion, right? And those can be mutually exclusive and it's really interesting talking to folks to see if they're sort of, their love for development, their love for doing all things kind of Drupal is out very early on in the process. And generally, the more overt it is, it kind of tells you a lot about what's going on in the service. So that's that kind of intangible, that's got the passion. And it looks like their attitude fits right in with the companies. That makes the first couple of rounds of the interview process really easy. And I totally agree with what Chris just said. Looking for that passion and not even having the first meeting or to be about their technical ability, but really digging down into what makes them tick, what drives them, why are they passionate about Drupal. And also looking at, one of my favorite things about recruiting developers at all is that they are, while they're pretty analytical and they can be introverted, they're also really creative, which is fantastic to be able to talk to anybody in the development world and to really tap into what they're passionate about creating. And then leaving the technical skill evaluation for later in the process, exactly what Chris said. So speaking of technical skill evaluation, we didn't really touch on this in the first part of the interview or first part of the webcast. What do you guys do for technical tests? Do you have a process that you go through that vets a candidate and says, yeah, they know what they're doing or not? So far we ask for a code sample or any contributions that they've made to be able to take a look at that. I think we're moving as we continue to grow and become a larger company. I think we're moving into the direction of giving some sort of more formal evaluation, but for right now it's just reviewing code. What I've seen and what I've experienced, and this is probably also kind of industry standard in a way, is providing a problem and asking to be walked through the solution. Syntax is syntax when it comes to code. So watching someone think and seeing how they go through it can be as important as, do you know all the real specifics of the language that you're writing? Mike, how about you? I certainly agree with that. I've seen lots of technical tests and things been put in place for other technologies. We haven't necessarily done that in Drupal, so we haven't been asking for code samples, these things. Certainly when somebody has, we take a look at their Drupal.org account and we take a look at their GitHub account. These things are useful, but normally it's a conversation and we would have a call with our technical folk and start talking about some of the challenges, some issues and talk through how the candidate would start troubleshooting them, et cetera, how they would approach them. But really it's talking, just having the conversation and then seeing how deep they can go and see how comfortable they are as they get deeper. I think we've certainly found at least so far it works quite well in terms of being able to tell someone's real comfort and understanding in different areas. Of course, different people have wildly different experience in different areas of Drupal. So that works pretty well for us. I've been involved in a couple of interviews and this is kind of my journey little secret here. I've been stuck on problems in my day-to-day work and I'll bring those problems to the interview and say like, how would you solve this?  I'd like more detail about this. I like this. I'm feeling that Chris. You can hire them as well which is, you know, you get the ongoing benefit from that and they continue contributing to the solution there. Of course, they also find out that you were punning off your work on the interview process. Nice. All right. Well, I'm going to move a slide forward here. So, you know, we talked a little bit this morning about, you know, what are the things that job seekers are looking for and what seems to resonate well. We talked a bit about location and compensation and giving back. Those are all ranked very high among job seekers for things that they say are the most important factors in deciding a good fit. So, let's talk a little bit about location. We have quite the mix of location approaches for teams here. So, could you guys go through that a little bit and talk about what's your pros and cons and how location plays into finding the right people? Let's start with Mike. Sure. Yes. Just holding on for the latency of this. So, location for us, and it's different for different roles and different teams, but I would say for my core team, which have a technical focus, I don't mind about location and I really don't mind about location. It can be anywhere in the world and we have people in Australia, we have people in Asia, in East, all across Europe and all across the US. So, we don't mind for those roles. We try and get them on projects where they can work their normal hours or the hours that they would want to work in. And that's helped us in a couple of ways. It's helped us because, first of all, our business of the markets in which we're building Drupal sites is global. So, there's always a project in a challenging country for time zone if you just have a team in the US or just have a team in Europe. It certainly helps from that perspective. It also helps in terms of getting talent. So, when we have somebody in a particular remote location who has a family and they want to stay with their family, they'll be very motivated to take a role where they can work remotely and have to travel. So, there's certainly some pros for us in terms of getting the talent and the fact that we need people to be working in these various time zones anyway, but also some challenges to address. So, we have to put a lot of focus around team building and these things. Try and get the team together when we can do and we typically do these around Drupal cons is that we can do some good team building and have people learning and spend time with other people in the community at the same time. So, certainly some things to address. Also, on kind of a day-to-day basis just in the way we structure our team communications with chat tools and these things. That helps keep somebody who might be the only person in their country very engaged. So, a deliberate focus on trying to keep these remote workers engaged to kind of try and tackle that challenge as much as we can do. Randy, I'll switch it over to you because I know you represent the opposite end of the spectrum in terms of how you guys have approached locations. Maybe you can talk about that a little bit again. Yeah. So, our entire team, 100% of us are based here in Portland and come into the office on a regular basis. We do have work from home days and that can be worked out between the developer or anybody and the person that they report to. And it's really, really flexible in terms of working from home but I think one of the benefits we've found of having everybody be based here in Portland is that the culture of metal toast is very, very strong as a result. We spent a lot of time together. I think I mentioned earlier, we literally gone skydiving together. We go on hikes together. We actually see, I think some of us come in on our Monday morning stand-ups and like, okay, well, I saw about six toads this weekend all at different times. So, we really enjoy spending time together and I think that's a result of being able to collaborate directly on a regular basis. Cool. And yeah, I can kind of chime in on where phase two is that since we've got the four offices, got one in New York City, got one in D.C., one in San Francisco, and our newest one here in Portland, we have about a third of our technical team completely remote. So, we've got this weird hybrid of if you're near an office, generally there's the office culture for that office, but if you're not, you're not. So, we're really flexible in that area. We kind of want people to work where they're most comfortable, where they feel they're most productive and they're happiest. So, sometimes that means like being around your team physically, being in the office here, or sometimes that means just head down with headphones on at home. So, we're pretty flexible in that regards. My personal anecdote is I worked for years from home, completely remote for various other folks. And I always thought like, yeah, I'm a work-from-home kind of person. And then once I got into the office here for the last year, I've really started to put a lot of weight into office culture. Now that I'm here, now I can see what it does, the collaboration, the teamwork. So, yeah, the office, it's really grown on me, but we're still pretty, pretty flexible either way. Let's keep on this notion of what job seekers are looking for and talk a little bit about the giving back piece. Now, I know for myself, whenever I hire the Drupal Association, they feel really engaged about the giving back part. I mean that, they're thrilled about the opportunity to give back at the level that we can give them in terms of it being 100% of their work schedule is giving back to the project. What sort of percentages do you guys offer as a part of of your work culture and how important would you say that the employees and your organizations find that? So, we don't do a percentage. You can give back this percentage. Instead, really the way it works in practice is we want you to build awesome stuff and that can be anything from building a particular site to building with a bunch of modules to building a major platform component and we're not trying to keep that proprietary. So, if your passion is building the next greatest way to do X in Drupal or building that in Drupal 8 and it's a benefit to us, of course we want you to build that and we want you to have your job building that and of course we want you to contribute that back as well. So, we don't hire people in specific roles for giving back. We don't hire people and say you've got a fixed percentage of your time for giving back but we contribute a huge amount just because of people are motivated to go work on solving big problems for us that will work for other people. So, we certainly have multiple people giving double digit percentages and then other people who are or I'd say everybody giving at least that but then multiple other people 100% and they won't hire this community or a core contributor they will hire to solve a particular problem for us and doing it in a fantastic way and then contributing all that back as well. When I Oh, go ahead, go ahead, sorry. It's like that YouTube video about the conference call. Yeah, no, I think our leads and gentlemen definitely are very invested in giving back. In fact, we've kind of built it into our culture in that we have a junior developer program where we will bring in two or three junior developers at a time and pair them with a senior developer and for the duration of their time as a junior that senior is responsible for all the codes that they're committing and they've got sprints that have been solely designed for our junior developer program and at the end of the program which can take anywhere from six months to 18 months either they are completely ready to move into a staff developer role with Miletode and if not then we actually help them find a position somewhere else in the community where they want to be. So for us about the contract before I started here I always saw a lot of names on the modules that I was using and kind of shown up here at P2 and seeing oh my goodness, those are the people that I'm working with have been the ones that have been writing a lot of these modules and core contributions but even kind of more than that just sort of like the actual modules is FACE2 actually maintains and actively develops on a couple of distributions. We do open atrium and we're open public as well so that's a really core part of our culture is the full Drupal distribution active development on it. Got a couple of folks in the security team as well and all those things are really important to our day jobs but also really important to ensuring that Drupal is able to grow and progress as well. Awesome. And then the last bullet point on here was or at least the last stat that we had was about compensation and I remember earlier we were talking about this and really compensation did not play into it as much why do you think that is what has shifted in terms of the thinking among developers where you're seeing less concern about compensation and more about these intangibles. I know for metal toad it's outside of Drupal it might be higher. Go ahead Mike. Go for it. It's definitely culture and I actually was thinking about this a little bit more in the two hours that we had between the two calls that maybe it also is that most of these agencies, most of these companies that are hiring Drupal developers do pay a really competitive wage so maybe that's not even a consideration. Maybe they're getting the same offers from most companies but I also think that culture plays a lot into this. If you've got a culture where you're going to get work-life balance you're going to enjoy what you're doing the project's going to be rich and it's going to be fun. You're going to have fun while you're doing it. Then I think that compensation kind of falls to the background and it does not hold as much weight. Josh why don't we do the last poll question? I certainly agree with that and I also think about it between the between the two sessions and one of the things I was thinking about is I think it's different for different technologies right so I think it's probably you get a different answer if you're talking about just straight PHP development and I think it's related to the balance of supply and demand in Drupal. So while demand is greater than supply people can go get a job with appropriate compensation so I think it becomes much less of a debate here specifically for Drupal. That makes sense. So it looks like Lauren's going to go ahead and open up the next poll question which touches on this. It's what actually keeps great talent around. Is it the interesting work? Is it the flexibility? The hours and location? Culture and values? Or is there something else? And if you have something else that you think is one of the key keepers of great talent what would you say that is? So Chris here just kind of jumping in right away is I think like in modern tech and especially in kind of the hip upcoming tech scenes like these should all be given right like these should be like that's where the tech shops should start. The good compensation, interesting flexible culture values. And to kind of like put a layer on top of that is can you offer growth? Can you offer a career path? Can you offer actual progression technically or maybe someone wants to move into more managerial roles? Being able to lay that out for new payers and say like here's an actual path you can follow, here's different areas you can engage in. Here's a five-year plan being able to see a future on the first day that you start. That's really important for new payers. I'm giving a little pause there. Mike how about you or what are the intangibles that keep your talent once you've hired them off? I've now seen the poll results I'd certainly agree with that interesting work right. Keeping people engaged. I'd agree that each of these can really be expected at least I see in my team is the thing I focus on to try and keep them as engaged as they can do is interesting work and allow them to focus on that work as much as they possibly can. So building something, doing what they came to do, develop something and make sure it's something that they can they find interesting. Whether it's just interesting because they can contribute it back and it will solve other people's problems as well or it's a really challenging thing for them to do or various other reasons why and interesting. Mike you mentioned last time about letting your developers develop as one of the key points that I thought that was actually so awesome I told someone about it after the call. Can you expand on that? Yeah sure, so it came from one of my team members and he's a developer and he actually managed the development team as well and he asked whether they could move into a schedule because we all work remotely there's lots of IAM, lots of meetings etc teleconferences and these things he asked whether we could put a schedule in place that involved doing a stand up in the morning but then doing four or five hours of just focused uninterrupted development before doing meetings later on in the day and of course I agreed but the outcome from that was absolutely fantastic and the motivation in the team they can spend several hours a day just completely focused on building something which is what they came here to do that's what they wanted to do, they wanted to develop but it seemed so obvious but then looking across other teams you have technical people who are very talented technical people and are therefore constantly being interrupted for help and they just can't focus on what they're doing I think there's a couple of funny XKCD comics on this right when someone's hacking away getting into detail of what they're doing someone asks them a question and then boom it's just completely gone it takes them a long time to get back into that that moment again so yeah uninterrupted development that's what's really well for us Randy, how about you? Do you have any intangibles that you really focus on that keeps the best talent in house and keeps them around? I'm thinking about it and I know we have interesting work and I know that we have flexible work schedules but I keep coming back to the fact that we really like each other and I know I'm sure you've heard the whole people don't leave jobs they leave their manager they don't leave a company they leave their manager and I really believe so strongly in the we've been able to hire people who truly fit the culture that we're looking to have who uphold the values that are important to Metal Toad and that is the respect that is being helpful and that is being a contribution and being curious, you know, seeking knowledge sharing knowledge and all of that happens across the board and I mean anybody who's spent any time at Metal Toad will tell you I mean our folks are pretty dynamic and pretty awesome to be around Excellent, you know kind of an interesting question because you talked about people don't they don't leave a place of employment they leave their supervisor what sort of turnover expectations do you have because I'm not going to ask anybody for their exact numbers but what's what's healthy turnover of talent and what should you be looking for I know that for myself I'm always looking for what's the tour of duty that keeps you engaged at not to get too military about it but what is that goal that you have that you want to accomplish while you're here with with the team and having the team really stay focused on their goals and the great work that they're doing but having that kind of goal that then they can reevaluate and say is this still the right place whenever they reach that goal do you do something similar within your organizations and what is the ideal keep if you will I think the tour of duty that we're seeing and this is kind of from what I have learned especially through some seminars that I've gone to it's kind of generational right so the generation the baby boomers they would stay in a job for 37 years I think that was the average of the time whereas Gen X is more of like you'll average of 7 years and then the millennials the longest you can hope to keep a millennial in one position is 3 years and then you add technology into the mix and I think it sometimes can be even shorter and not to mention the millennial will not only have their the work that they do that pays the bills but they'll have an app that they're working on on the side and they'll have some great ideas that they really want to bring into reality so I think turnover while I think it's very healthy because it brings a new perspective to the team I think we are somewhere around you know max of like 20 percent 25 percent and we are nowhere near that over the last year so so yeah it's hard to track turnover too whenever you're in like constant growth mode so I'm not necessarily like a it's definitely a goals thing right Mike Chris either of you have any thoughts on that I'm gonna let Mike go just so the timing thanks Chris yes I was just thinking this through actually because it's not something I've focused on a huge amount it's I would say it is really low for us and I was just trying to think through why that might be so personally while not in the same role I've worked at Pfizer for 11 years there are people on my team who worked for Pfizer for a lot longer than that and then if I'm trying to think of people who have left it's really always due to growth opportunities and other technologies are outside of the industry the only areas I would say we would have higher turnover in there is like contract staff and I think that's also because of the environment people are often working in there or the way they're working is tailored to shorter contracts so they're more likely to hop from one place to another quite quickly and then establish very quickly when this is the right place for them so a higher or some turnover there in contract staff but in terms of like employees who spend a lot of time recruiting etc it's really very very low our experience is we've got a lot of people with five plus years in the company at phase two and we've been growing a lot so the turnover is hard to track but it's pretty low for us we've got a lot of older veterans and one things that we do to really keep talent is the reality of development is that there's good projects and there's rough projects and it's just the way it's always going to be so we try really hard to cycle people to ensure that if they did, if they were on a tougher project that the next thing that it can cycle on to it's very much taken into account what their prior experience was just to really let them give them a chance to unwind a bit so it's really taking into account your employees happiness and their experience and their work also we have a really focused staff management structure every single person has a one on one every week with a staff manager and it's not just like one staff manager for everybody it's really really spread out throughout the company so everyone's very one on one engaged track long term career goals to set those goals and to actually go meet them and go lay out a plan to go meet them so like that cultivation and that one on one thing is really really important to us as well that's awesome to hear the kind of built in growth measurement and the constant check-ins I know for myself I'd completely value that sort of approach and even the way the team is structured the constant check-ins with the entire team so the idea is you keep from having someone who becomes the squeaky wheel because the rust of kind of an oppressive project or a really tough problem that's really drained them they get an opportunity to cycle back in with the rest of the team and feel that connection with the team so we're right here at the edge of our time so I wanted to throw out a huge huge thank you Mike, Chris, Randy I so appreciate you guys doing this twice today for us to hit all the time zones and we're going to be providing this online as well for folks to come back and listen and watch at a future date we'll kind of edit together the two versions that we have and once again just thank you so much for your time and for this contribution that you've given to the Drupal project we really appreciate it Thanks for writing me