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All right cyber traders welcome on back here this Monday November 29th shortly after 2 30 p.m. Eastern time And of course this time of the day as always welcome on back here for our afternoon meeting Great to see Chuck Brian Norman still sticking with us here in cybergroup alongside Michael and Gary great to see you both as well Of course all of our trial members and members alike inside cyber group and if you're joining us on social media media today Facebook live or YouTube Welcome on back. So we do have to go through things rather quick We're continuing along with the phase 2 stock course later on this afternoon at 3 p.m. Eastern time We're actually going to continue our discussion in regards to level 3 the program otherwise known as the ECN books So not only that we're actually also going to be continuing our discussion from this morning's class in relation to shorting So really our whole class this afternoon is shorting by by following the ECN book by following level 3 in Particular so no hey actually for the sake of this afternoon's class I hope we have a nice drop-off somewhere whether it be across the major indices alike or just give me a stock That's dropping. I'll take it so for right now PTP I on the screen to begin We'll just start with this one then we'll go right from top to bottom otherwise But hey it's up just about a hundred percent still ended up making this nasty shake off going into the early afternoon It broke above five it started to try and make that second squeeze But obviously as you could see failed to break higher if it's not going to break higher only one other way The stock is going to go at the time right sounds, you know Sounds not silly, but sounds easy to think about well That's where I talk about here If you don't have your stop set on a trade like PTP I that was up over a hundred percent at that point Well, if it's not going to move up again that big moves going to be down Are you prepared to handle this type of drop? That's the question so More often than not that answers no It's just to say we always got to play stops right upon getting into a trade now with that in mind The stock is beginning to perk back up again ended up bottoming out right off of three seventy five there and then pushing back up above four I just feel like for the volume that this stock is traded today 202 million and counting from Friday or and then from Wednesday of last week before Thanksgiving This stock's been through like the spin cycle so to say so I'll put it on our list And I'm not reluctant at putting it on our list But by the end of this meeting if this thing fails to break higher from here Then we might actually take it off the list because then at that point then there's really only one other direction The stock's going to go in and I don't think that we could short this So we'll come back to this at the end easily enough. We'll put it on our list to begin Otherwise though, we'll go right from top to bottom and see what else we could add to it the K Yrs stock Surprisingly not a buyout. It looks so flat here across the late morning early afternoon that without looking at the news You would have assumed buyout. I think just for as expensive as they are I think it was just news in relation to like phase 3 meeting their primary end points Sounds like great pharma news, but the stock was way out of our price range to begin So we're gonna move forward from it Ptpi already on our list and at this point. We'll just keep it going We'll go right from top to bottom otherwise see what else we can add on You know, it's like 30 degrees here in Long Island, New York But that doesn't stop the Sun from like coming right right through the window right in front of me as I'm doing this meetings I gotta move around and adjust ISPC as my platform actually locks up on me just briefly there That one looked like it had some traction to it across the last what like 10 or so minutes We'll jump back to that stock pretty briefly the ISPC Pushing up pretty quickly from what appears to be support off of oh my god the Sun from like 22 right now as I stand up Popping over 26 getting close to 27 right now in the last bar coming right back down G is much like the Ptpi this stock's been through like the spin cycle to so you know what I'll add it I'm a little more reluctant on adding this stock to our list than I was on Ptpi But that's more because of the lack of liquidity that's out there on level three how big of a spread this stock has So you got to be really careful trading this thing and what I mean by careful is not just where and when you get in But position size I would not be trading this on a thousand shares myself Probably wouldn't be doing 500 share positions Let alone, you know, maybe do 200 or 250 then add up over time perhaps All right, this ATXI stock was pushing up pretty nicely I jumped and skipped and ISPC and clicked this one actually beforehand It's trying to make its way back up. I don't mind coming back to this at the end of the meeting As good liquidity on the book I guess you could say the same on WDH here. This one are already making a bit of an ugly shake back down here, so Not as keen on that. I don't get Ptpi Confused with PPSI and I honestly mean that that's not a joke for anyone that is traders dyslexia like myself So this stock definitely looking pretty interesting as of 2 p.m It didn't completely tank and go the other way, which is a good thing, but it hasn't really broken up higher It's kind of just meddling around right here. You know what? I'm more keen to put this on than anything So the PPSI stock I'm gonna separate that from Ptpi Which is at the top of the list. All right, no keep it going QLGN nice push from earlier today I know that Rich was commenting on this going into the early afternoon as it was beginning to push back Up towards resistance that we had at the time off of two Didn't really hold back rate as a level. I mean, I reckon it did a support later on It seems like it was a little choppy at first But you could see here it was chopping around and then on the next break above two Here's where it held pretty well support pretty good support hold off of two At least from that point pushed up pretty nicely, but it came back down It's like lacking the volume that it once had from earlier in the afternoon So not as impressed at this point. We'll see if there's anything else looking better As of right now this INM stock looking pretty volatile in a good way, you know 26-27,000 share order on the ass currently at 210 There's a hundred one thousand share iceberg clearly on the bid there at 205 So that's where support is you have resistance on the ask as of right now It's hard to not put this on our main watch list was I and M Interesting stock Apparently and I'll say apparently because I believe we did I think I was I don't know if I was out at the time on my vacation I think I was but back from November 17th from a couple weeks ago when I was away on vacation It looks like you guys ended up trading the stock from like one fit 150 ish 143 The low went up to a high of 237 that day Interesting. I didn't realize that up up until right now All right for right now the INM stock. I don't mind putting on our main list now a stock That was a complete utter disappointment Why CBD so news came out on this YCB YCBD stock in relation to a partnership with Amazon web services I think a subsidiary company of Amazon at least but men seemingly great news and with that Well, it was dropping off going into the open So this is not the disappointment right here. Well, actually it partially is the fact that it dropped off at the open is Expected but it took so long for this to make its big pop right when we started class this thing was beginning to run So that was the real disappointing part where you know, hey if today wasn't a class day Then we would have been more focused on this at the time as a team Well ended up making a nice push up over to end up trying to break out higher and then came back down So right now definitely at this stage not really is worth watching the YCB D I don't know maybe keep it on your side list for tomorrow. Just to check in with it early in the pre-market. I don't know NRXP I was pretty strong on this up until they shake back down so much So I ended up taking a 4 cent loss just over the last three or four minutes I was about to tell you folks I was in this trade and I was from 8 bucks right here I was like hawking it right before we started the meeting about 10 15 minutes prior and I was doing pretty good on the Trade actually was pushing up pretty nicely up towards 835 eat 40 ish almost and well I thought that there was going to be another push up on this trade at least up to 850 if not up a lot higher Well, sometimes we're wrong. So ended up coming back down. I took a 4 cent loss Donald the 4 cent loss is the 4 cent loss I'm happy to be out of this trade now at this point because now at this stage It certainly seems like it's just only going to drop lower the NRXP trade Stern kind of a familiar name really kind of a new IPO dating back to November But ended up making a big drop last week. I guess this I guess it's trying to make a move back up now spotty chart there LAC I think Fausto was commenting on this earlier today. So For that reason let alone just the fact that this stock at the highs right now It's hard to not put this on our list. Is this all-time highs? Answers on the daily chart there looks like it Yeah, it looks like all-time highs here for this LAC stock that that makes this a really interesting trade But there being no historical ceiling or overhead resistance from the chart to work off of in theory It gives the stock a very free ability to run up So, you know got to see more volume getting filled off the ask first before we really expect that parabolic move I would assume for that resistance to likely be off off of 41 There's no iceberg order there showing at the time But I reckon that we'll have some volume filled directly from the NYSE as the stocks, you know Listed on the New York Stock Exchange So probably going to see a lot of volume off the ask at 41 upon that level getting tested Bitcoin of course we're gonna talk about Bitcoin as we finish up this meeting Actually a stock that I'm still in on as a swing trade taking a hit on it right now The BTBT trade making a nice climb up today up over almost 10% move up today Bitcoin had a nice little bounce over the last couple of days. I'll talk to you about that in a bit I ended up buying the dip on Friday night Saturday morning one of those two We'll see what else is out there in the meantime though folks actually I skipped over bit farms as I was briefly talking about the BTBT trade Here's TCAT and NFT stock not really doing a whole lot right now Here's BITF bit farms stock. I kind of skipped over just before, you know, it's tradable It's making lower highs and pulling back down now You know, we've seen what's happened much much more often than not on these Bitcoin and Bitcoin mining affiliated stocks heading into the afternoon So definitely not as keen to put them on our watch list at least yet mRNA I only clicked on this just to see where it's at I was wondering why this was locking up my platform so much and Well, I guess this explains it. I don't know what happened over the last 10 or so minutes on Moderna mRNA, but Look a huge hit see Don't really see much news out there at least on mRNA from 146 Eastern time White House says nothing has changed in our deadline for acquired vaccinations of federal workers All right, if there's anything that I see I'll let you folks know Looks like nVax is also halted too. That could be the reason why Nova Vax halted on a circuit breaker Guy Doug Doug cherry on YouTube commenting to us to check out nVax right there I'll tell you what I'm gonna move away from this right now because when it reopens up It's definitely gonna make my stuff free. So Yeah, clearly a big drop on Nova Vax and that's the reason why a lot of these Vaccine stocks are moving with it. We'll check out OCG and here perhaps we'll check out Vax sir They're not really making a good move for us to try and you know capitalize on and trade just simply showing that a lot of these Stocks do move in tandem What was a HPI from last week and APT? These are more kind of spotty compared to the others. How about I and O? And they're all kind of strapping definitely Nova Vax though the biggest of them and Moderna moving with it too seemingly All right, I still don't even have any headlines or news out there in regards to Nova Vax But oh, yeah, and then obviously Pfizer right PFE If Pfizer's shortable then that could be the only thing that would be tradable with those stocks You know this one's a little more expensive too, but compared to the others not nearly as much right So, you know what if anything I don't mind putting the Pfizer trade kind of on the bottom of our list Just kind of moving with Nova Vax. We'll see how that follows heading into the afternoon That's a good call there All right, we'll hop over to the loser's side seeing if there's anything looking just as good if not better Chris I appreciate your chat on Pfizer and I got your message just now. I'll get back to you once I'm done with this meeting Fence FENC out of no idea what happened to this trade Check out the news pretty quickly just out of curiosity now is the time to do it if anything so FENC trading lower after the company said it expects to receive a complete response letter from the FDA for its new drug Application blah blah blah all right well clearly didn't respond too well the FDA to their new drug application But ended up making such a drop here today It's still near the lows the part about the stock that I'm not as particular about just you know checking it out right now Finally, but the liquidity on the order book. It's just Not a whole lot out there that's showing to me You know big spread thin tier size on level two smaller orders across the bid in the ask, you know shortable It's down big all of that I like But right now nothing really that's not a much not as much. Otherwise. It's making me really feel that great about the stock here Market ended up making a nice bounce back up heading into the mid to late morning the early afternoon been very flat since But that's why we're seeing you know UVXY ETF that kind of correlates inversely to the Nasdaq 100 the S&P 100 and otherwise the major indices just flat here Say the same on VXX Prog top loser here today down over 14% is just a sideless stock. We can't short it just curious to see what it's doing. That's all But I'll tell you folks otherwise I mean again, there's not a whole lot that's really looking that great JMI a shortable This is a sideless stock. Just wanted to look at it pretty quick not looking that great in terms of any direction Latest says in the chat board here inside cyber group FSR testing the high of the day worth watching at 22. Yeah, this looks pretty good I don't know if I skipped over this or yeah, I guess I did but yeah FSR. I like it. Good call All right, there you go That's why I always say folks if there's anything up down left right more than 5% Feel more than free to type in the chat board if it looks good I may have easily just skipped over it like I did that did that a Fisker solar trade Or a Fisker not a Fisker solar and check out Benzinga pro here pretty quick I'll jump to you know Bitcoin in the coming minutes New high of the day alert on Lizzie li Zi. I don't know what the chart looks like It's up over 11% this stock. That's for sure treating just over 600,000 shares That's not a whole lot at this time of the day. It's enough for what we look for I don't know. It's at the highs right now It'll remain on the side list of the stock if it ends up showing more strength more buying Then I'd be more keen to call it out, but for right now pass The a EHR stock trading a very similar volume across the day up over seven and a half percent I don't think the stock is near the all-time highs. All right, folks So jump to Bitcoin rather quick, but then from that point will pretty much finish up I really like this list so far So if there's any unless if there is anything that's going to make a really, you know Obvious pop or drop that we would look to put on our list. I think that we're pretty much all settled I think that we're that we're all good All right, but in the meantime, I'll just quickly bring up the Bitcoin chart I want to bring something up because hey from the last You know drop off that we had here at the time. I did not expect Bitcoin to drop down at this point I did not expect Bitcoin to drop down towards 53 54,000. I'm sure has not did a lot of us, right? But it's to say this I brought this up from Friday afternoon, I believe when or Friday or Wednesday afternoon that is I'm sorry the last afternoon meeting that I that I did for you folks on social media And on my six hour graph I was saying hey if this stock had or if Bitcoin could pull back down towards the 500 EMA on the six hour The last time that we ended up seeing it make a big shake right over here before it went parabolic Well broke the 500 EMA on my six hour graph here led to a big drop Well here it kind of was chopping around it a bit Well popped up from that point where I'm getting to is if we're led to believe that we're going to see this begin to push back up Get up to 69,000 and hopefully much higher over time Well, I would imagine for there to be less of a fight less of a tussle off the 500 EMA if it ends up coming back down there Again, so where I left off with you folks was Wednesday of last week I think that was what the 24th or 20 30 even it just to say though that hey it came right down to the 500 EMA It actually came down to this perfect Trendline off the lows the combination of both ended up leading to a nice little push up over the last You know six to 24 hours here From early this morning big pop up and continuing to push up for the meantime So I ended up buying not a whole lot. I ended up buying like 500 bucks worth right around 54 six I wish I had more funds to add more to it, but it is what it is I did what I could but now at this point with this nice little push back up here The hope is to see this you know, hopefully sooner than later But if it's slower than what I expect so be it at this point I think that we're beginning to see some support will happen to have a bounce I think back up in the coming week or two Folks if there's anything else though in terms of stocks that you would want me to look at anything that I missed Definitely let me know right now that cars trade will check out pretty quickly. I saw that popping up on my benzingo pro screen So yeah cars is a gap fill I know Fausto was commenting on this earlier today too when we did the audio commentary When I say gap fill you got to look at the the weekly chart the daily chart also But you know, this is a little bit easier to see on the weekly So it looks like this ended up dropping off from right around like 1750 I think it was 18 bucks back from 2018. It's making its way back up there right now. It's filling the gaps So alongside the fissure trade that later called out fsr.  I remember calling out cars on friday as well I think that's when we were first really looking at this trade right on the hat on the half day last week From johnny's typing in the mttr stock inside cyber group. Hey, it's it's near the highs It's up over 20 percent. So it would be hard to not put this on our main watch list It's you know, right at all-time highs mind you as well. You could just see that from the daily or weekly chart here Yeah, I don't know why I didn't put this on our list to begin Maybe at the time it just wasn't looking that great Maybe at the time when I did the meeting at first it was kind of dropping off So nice turnaround on this trade john. Yeah, definitely good reason for me to put this on our list again All right, I'll tell you what folks in total we got two four six eight nine stacks to work with That's not too much. That's not an overload for me, but I think the shoe just fits I think that we're looking pretty good in terms of the number of stocks on our watch list so far I don't want to add too much more from this point So I think that we're just about good to go folks for all of us in social media facebook live youtube I type my email address here in the chat board If you have any questions feel more than free to send over a quick email right to josh at ctutrading.com All right, uh, also last thing and and I really don't like you're talking about this as much because I don't like Sounding like a salesman, but it's to say for all of our students and members inside cyber Today is the last day for our black friday prices regarding our coaching regarding the membership to our trading room and much more So if you're interesting on jumping on any of that You got to let us know by the end of the day today and we'll be able to talk to you about the black friday deals otherwise I'm gonna call it all right folks So I just wanted to make last mention of that but otherwise for everyone on social media facebook live youtube I appreciate you sticking with me each and every day each and every afternoon And I'll catch back with the folks tomorrow for all of us inside cyber group most of our students there at least I look forward to talking to you coming up in the phase two course in just about the next 10 or 15 minutes. Take care


Azerbaijan, journalists fight against new media registry. Independent journalists in Azerbaijan are demanding the abolition of a newly created registry, which they say prevents them from doing their job. While it is not clear whether registration on the register is mandatory or voluntary, journalists argue that its very existence further undermines press freedom in a country that already has one of the world's lowest levels of media freedom. In late January, a group of about 40 Azerbaijani journalists, editors and lawyers released a statement calling for the abolition of the state media registry, which went into effect in October in accordance with a law passed in December 2021. Independent journalists said in a statement that media has already denied registration to more than 10 publications that have been operating for a long time, citing technical reasons. The statement explains the consequences for those who do not register. Now, unregistered media and journalists are not even allowed to open parliamentary sessions. In the regions of Azerbaijan, the professional activities of journalists are hindered, the statement said. Journalists started a We Don't Want License Media campaign against the on-media law. An expert on media law clarified the questions about why the topic was brought up now. The lawyer said that the new campaign has started now because the executive director of the media development agency, Ahmad Ismailov, made a statement on this issue. Ismailov said that if some media has not passed the register, then it does not exist. When a citizen is not given an identity card, he does not exist, but what if he kills a person who will be held responsible? Can charges be brought against? No. The government media, which opposes this entire campaign, will one day understand that we also want their well-being. We are against their writing to order. Journalists should not respond to those who criticise the government because journalists do not represent the government. For some reason, they think they represent the government. In a statement of Yeni Nesil, Union of Journalists Arif Aliyev says that the registry has started to cause serious concerns. He said that the government and state bodies themselves are now embarrassed by the law. There are more dangerous points in the registry. The bill should be cancelled. Campaigns related to the registry should also continue. If the bill remains in this state, it will create many problems for journalists. The government and society said Aliyev. The head of Turan Information Agency Mehman Aliyev said that it is difficult to say what awaits the independent media and journalists after March. It is not clear what steps they will take.


I know you work hard to make the best lifestyle choices, so you can improve your health, destiny, and longevity. And there's lots of information out there on how to do just that. So where do you start? Well, we start with the facts. Welcome to the Nutrition Facts Podcast. I'm your host, Dr. Michael Greger. My job is to bring you the latest peer-reviewed nutrition and health research, and share it with you here. I know what you're thinking.  In our first story, we look at how daily vinegar consumption can lead to a significant loss of abdominal fat. Vinegar has evidently been used as a weight loss aid for nearly 200 years. But does it work? Well, like hot sauce, it can be a nearly calorie-free way to flavor foods, and there's all sorts of tasty, exotic vinegars out there, now like fig, peach, and pomegranate to choose from. But the question is, is there something special about vinegar that helps with weight loss? Vinegar is defined simply as a dilute solution of acetic acid, which takes energy for our body to metabolize, activating an enzyme called AMPK, which is like our body's fuel gauge. If it senses that we're low, it amps up energy production, tells the body to stop storing fat and start burning fat. And so, given our obesity epidemic, it's crucial that oral compounds with high bioavailability are developed to safely induce chronic AMPK enzyme activation, which would potentially be beneficial for long-term weight loss. No need to develop such a compound, though, if you can buy it at any grocery store. We know vinegar can activate AMPK in human cells, but as the dose one might get, sprinkling it on a salad, enough. If you take endothelial cells, blood vessel lining cells from umbilical cords after babies are born, and expose them to various levels of acetate, which is what the acetic acid and vinegar turns into in our stomach, it appears to take a concentration of at least 100 to get a really significant boost in AMPK. So how much acetate do you get in your bloodstream sprinkling about a tablespoon of vinegar on your salad? You do it 100, but only for about 15 minutes. And even at that concentration, 10 or 20 minutes exposure doesn't seem to do much. Now, granted, this is an apetite dish, but we didn't have any clinical studies until we did. A double-blind trial investigating the effects of vinegar intake on the reduction of body fat in overweight men and women. Now, they call them obese, but they were actually slimmer than your average American. In Japan, they call anything over a BMI of 25 obese, who is the average American adult, is about 28.6. But anyway, they took about 150 overweight individuals and randomly split them into one of three groups, a high-dose vinegar group, where they drank a beverage containing two tablespoons of apple cider vinegar a day, a low-dose group, where they drank a beverage containing only one tablespoon of apple cider vinegar a day, and a placebo-control group, where they had them drink an acidic beverage they developed to taste the same as the vinegar drink, but using a different kind of acid, so there was no acetic acid. No other changes in their diet are exercised. In fact, they monitored their diets and gave them all pedometers, so it makes sure that the only significant difference between the three groups was the amount of vinegar they were getting every day. And within just one month, statistically significant drops in weight in both vinegar groups compared to placebo, with higher dose doing better than the low dose, we just got better and better month after month. In fact, by month 3, the Do Nothing placebo group actually gained weight, as overweight people tend to do, whereas the vinegar group significantly dropped their weight. Now, was the weight loss actually significant or just kind of statistically significant? Well, that's for you to decide. This is in kilograms, so compared to placebo, the two tablespoons of vinegar a day group dropped 5 pounds by the end of 12 weeks. That may not sound like a lot, but they got that for just pennies a day without removing anything from their diet. And they got slimmer up to nearly an inch off their waist, suggesting they were losing abdominal fat, but the researchers went the extra mile and put it to the test. They put the research subjects through abdominal CT scans to actually directly measure the amount of fat before and after in their bodies. They measured the amount of superficial fat, visceral fat, and total body fat.   And that's the kind of fact the placebo group was putting on when they were gaining weight, not good. But both the low dose and high dose vinegar groups were able to remove about a square inch of visceral fat off that CT scan slice. Now like any weight loss strategy, it only works if you do it a month after they stopped the vinegar, the weight crept back up, but that's just additional evidence that the vinegar was working. But how? A group of researchers in the UK suggested an explanation. Vinegar beverages are gross. They made a so-called palatable beverage by mixing a fruity syrup in vinegar and water, then went out of the way to make a really nasty, unpalatable vinegar beverage, both with white wine vinegar, which were so unpleasant the study subjects actually felt nauseous after drinking them, so ate less of the meal they gave it with. So there you go. Vinegar helps with both appetite control and food intake, though these effects were largely due to the fruity vinegar concoctions invoking feelings of nausea. So is that what was going on here? Were the vinegar groups just eating less? No. The vinegar groups were eating about the same compared to placebo. Same diet, more weight loss, thanks perhaps, to the acetic acid's impact on AMPK. Now the CT scans make this a very expensive study, so I was not surprised it was funded by a company that sells vinegars, which is good, since otherwise we wouldn't have these amazing data, but it's also bad, because it always leaves you wondering if the funding source somehow manipulated the results. But the nice thing about company's funding study is about healthy foods, whether it's some kiwifruit company or the National Watermelon Promotion Board at watermelon.org, check it out. Is that what's the worst that can happen? If the findings turned out to be bogus, worse comes the worst. Your salad would just be tastier. Next up we look at how sprinkling vinegar on greens may augment their ability to improve artery function. There was a famous study from Harvard published back in 1999 that found that women who used oil and vinegar salad dressing about every day went on to have fewer than half the fatal heart attacks compared to women who hardly ever used it, less than half the risk of the number one killer of women. They figured it was the omega-3s in the oil that explained the benefit, but I know what you're thinking. Those who use salad dressing every day probably also eat salad every day. But no, they were able to adjust for vegetable intake, so it didn't appear to be the salad. But why does the oil get the credit and not the vinegar? If only there was a way we could test that. Well, what about creamy salad dressing? They were also made from omega-3 rich oils like canola, in fact even more so than oil and vinegar dressing. So if the oil and not the vinegar, then creamy dressing would be protective, too. But it's not. No significant decrease in fatal heart attack rates were. Non-fatal heart attack rates, for that matter. Now it could be the eggs or butter fat counteracting the benefits of the omega-3s, but maybe the vinegar is actually playing a role. But how? Well, if you're paying close attention in the vinegar weight loss video, the title of that paper was vinegar intake enhances flow-mediated vasodilation via up-regulation of endothelial nitric oxide synthase activity. In other words, vinegar enhances arterial function by allowing our arteries to better dilate naturally by boosting the activity, the enzyme in our body that synthesizes nitric oxide, the open sesame signal to our arteries that improves blood flow. If you remember, acetate is cleared out of your blood within a half an hour after consuming a salad with a tablespoon of vinegar in it. Apparently not enough time to boost the AMPK enzyme, but within just 10 minutes those kind of acetate levels can boost the activity of the nitric oxide synthesizing enzyme within human umbilical cord blood vessel cells in a petri dish. But what about in people? They measured the dilation of arteries in the arms of women after they had a tablespoon of rice vinegar, a tablespoon of brown rice vinegar, or a tablespoon of forbidden rice vinegar. In other words, vinegar made from black or purple rice. All the vinegars appeared to help, but it was the black rice one that most clearly pulled away from the pack. Black rice contains the same kind of anthocyanin pigments that make some fruits and vegetables blue and purple and may have independent benefits. For example, if you give someone a big blueberry smoothie containing the amount of anthocyanins in a cup and a half a while blueberries, you get a nice spike in arterial function that lasts a couple hours. Thus the maximum forearm blood flow in the forbidden rice vinegar intake group might be attributed to an additional or synergistic effect of anthocyanin with the acetate. But it could also just be the antioxidant power of anthocyanins, in which case balsamic vinegar, which is made from red wine, may have a similar effect, as it was shown to have remarkably higher free radical scavenging activity than rice vinegar. Enough to counter the artery constricting effects of a high-fat meal? Well, we've known for nearly 20 years that a single high-fat meal, sausage and egg McMuffins with deep-fried hash browns, can cripple our artery function, using the ability of our arteries to dilate normally in half within hours of going into our mouths, compared to frosted flakes. Even with that massive unhealthy sugar load, no effect on the arteries, because there was no fat, and not just animal fat, we're talking about a quarter cup of safflower oil had a similar effect. In fact, the very first study to show how bad fat was for our arteries basically dripped highly refined soybean oil into people's veins. But extra virgin olive oil isn't refined. We know some whole food sources of plant-fat such as nuts actually improve artery function, whereas oils, including olive oil, worsen function, but they didn't specify extra virgin here. I mean, you can see smell, taste, the phytonutrient still left in extra virgin olive oil. Are they enough to maintain arterial function? No.  Ah, but what if you ate the same meal, but added balsamic vinegar on a salad? That seemed to protect the arteries from the effects of the fat. And now balsamic vinegar is a product of red wine. Would you get the same benefits just drinking a glass of red wine? No. No improvement in arterial function after red wine, huh? Why does balsamic vinegar work but red wine not? Maybe it's because the red wine lacks the benefits of the acetic acid in vinegar, or maybe it's because the vinegar lacks the negative effects of the alcohol. And a third option might be it was the salad ingredients had nothing to do with the vinegar. To figure out this puzzle, all we'd have to do is test non-alcoholic wine, non-alcoholic red wine worked. So maybe it was the grapes in balsamic vinegar, not the acetic acid. And indeed, if you eat a cup and a quarter of seeded and seedless red, green, and blue-black grapes with your sausage and egg McMuffin, you can blunt the crippling of your arteries. So plants and their products may provide protection against the direct impairment in endothelial function, unless those products are oil or alcohol. Finally today, we look at how vinegar can help control blood sugar. A double-blind placebo-controlled randomized study found that body weight and belly fat were significantly reduced, adding just a single tablespoon of vinegar to one's daily diet. But is there any benefit to vinegar consumption if you're not overweight? Well, their triglycerides normalized, and on the two tablespoons a day dose, there was a dip in blood pressure. But those effects may have just been because of the weight loss. Other than taste, is there any benefit to normal weight individual sprinkling vinegar on their salad? What about vinegar for blood sugar control? If you feed people a massive amount of sugar, half cup of table sugar, as their blood sugar spike, their artery function can become impaired. And the higher the blood sugars go, the more the arteries take a hit. There's a drug, though, that can block sugar absorption, and by blunting the blood sugar spike with the drug, you can prevent the arterial dysfunction. Demonstrating that's probably good for your heart, if you don't have big blood sugar spikes after meals. And indeed, how high your blood sugar spike after a meal is a predictor for cardiovascular mortality. So do people who eat lots of high glycemic foods, like sugary foods and refined grains, tend to have more heart attacks and strokes? Yes. And they appear more likely to get diabetes, but maybe people who eat lots of frosted flakes and wonderbread also have other bad dietary habits. The diets that have been put to the test in randomized controlled trials and proven to prevent diabetes are the ones focusing on cutting down on saturated fat and ramping up the consumption of fiber-rich whole-plant foods, such as fruits, vegetables, and whole grains, without specific regard to lower or higher glycemic loads. The drug has been put to the test, though, and blunting one's mealtime blood sugar spikes does seem to reduce the risk of developing diabetes, as well as reduce the risk of heart attacks and high blood pressure. So is there any way to prevent these blood sugar spikes without having to take drugs? Well, one way would be to not sit down to a half a cup of sugar. Yes, the drug can slow the progression of your atherosclerosis, but wouldn't it be better to eat a diet that actually reverses heart disease or reverses diabetes? The healthiest diet to prevent the meal-related blood sugar and fat spikes, the oxidation, and inflammation is a diet centered around whole-plant foods. But what if you really want to bagel? Instead of spreading drugs on it, spreading on some almond butter may help blunt the blood sugar spike from refined carbs. And another option is to dip your baguette in some balsamic vinegar. The consumption of vinegar with meals was evidently used as a home remedy for diabetes before drugs came along, but wasn't put to the test until 1988. After all, how much money can be made from vinegar? Well, according to the Vinegar Institute, millions of dollars, but a single diabetes drug like Resulin can pull in billions before it was pulled from the market for killing too many people by shutting down their livers. The drug company still made off like a bandit having to pay out less than a billion to the grieving families for covering up the danger. No liver failure from a peanut butter-smeared bagel, though, cutting the blood sugar response in half, and the same with vinegar. If you chug down four teaspoons of apple cider vinegar diluted in water, you get that same blunting of the spike, and you get the additional advantage over the nuts of lowering insulin levels in the blood, something peanut butter apparently can't do. 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I can confirm that the death toll after the event in the Lockyer Valley has risen again today with the recovery of the body of a mature aged woman in a house in Grantham. This brings the total number of deaths out of the Lockyer Valley, out of last week's event to 16 and 17 in total with the loss of the life of a young man here in Brisbane. Just to give people an inkling of what the police are working through in Grantham and I can certainly understand the impatience of many people who do want to get back into their homes. This house had already been searched on two occasions and the body was located on the final search.  We need to be very confident that bodies that are in the town of Grantham are recovered and people I hope will understand the pressure that the police are working under in these sorts of circumstances and be patient where they are working as hard as they can to be in a position to allow people back into the town of Grantham as quickly as possible. We're also working very hard to ensure that when people do all come back into the town of Grantham that they will have somewhere to gather and meet because we appreciate that this has been a very traumatic experience. Right now the only part of Grantham where people are able to come together and our meeting is the school. Unfortunately it needs to be used as a school and be ready for school in a week's time. So we are right now constructing a temporary marquee with temporary flooring etc in the town of Grantham. It will also have a separate temporary building that will be available for counselling as well as obvious amenities and we anticipate that that facility may well be there as a temporary meeting place and hub for this community for many many weeks and months to come and it'll be there for as long as it's needed. I'm also pleased that the company Lynn Fox through Lindsay Fox has very kindly donated 25 secure shipping containers that will be arriving in Grantham today. People have nowhere where they can take those goods that they can salvage and protect them and lock them up and they've they were worried about this when I met with them the other day and I'm very pleased that we've come to an arrangement with Lynn Fox. This is part of their donation and contribution to this effort. Those 25 initial secure shipping containers will arrive in Grantham today so again that's all about having Grantham ready for when people are able to come back in. In terms of other issues here in Brisbane and in Ipswich we continue to see 22,000 homes without supply. Can I just say on behalf of all of our Energex workers they have they've asked me to implore people on two things one they really need to get some very big trucks into streets to reconnect so they're asking people who are onlookers and sightseers to please stay out of these streets so that you are not impeding the progress of the electricity resupply. We've also seen lots of volunteers with lots of goodwill unfortunately piling rubbish up in and around and on top of the electricity the green electricity boxes out there that you have on suburban streets in at least one instance we've seen a bobcat take the whole lot out so can I just really encourage people don't put your rubbish in and around those electricity boxes. Sounds like a very basic thing but with a lot of enthusiasm out there we could inadvertently be making things harder. In terms of the CBDs of Ipswich and Brisbane Ipswich is well on the way it's substantially operational tomorrow the Brisbane CBD has all but five buildings now with power reconnected and up and operational we are doing there's some quite a bit of work going on however to pump the water out of the basements and around the substations that are in those other five buildings so sometime mid to late this week we would expect Energex expects that sometime around Wednesday or Thursday that all homes that can be reconnected to electricity will be but we expect there will still be several thousand that cannot be because of the level of inundation that they have seen. Water supply is basically we're very comfortable now that Brisbane and Ipswich water supply is clean and and we have what we need we still have some resupply access sorry resupply issues across Queensland but by and by and large the access into cities and towns across the state is opening up now and so places like Rockhampton are now being fully supplied by road. Durham Bandy however continues to be an issue that we are looking at resupply town of Durham Bandy is cut off there will be a Chinook helicopter taking some 17 pallets of supplies into Durham Bandy on Monday. In the area of transport public transport we're getting it back and operational as quickly as possible and we are hoping to have the busways fully operational as in the early part of this week. The Port of Brisbane we've seen the Port of Brisbane authorities and maritime safety workers working round the clock in very difficult conditions clearing the channel so that the Port of Brisbane can resume priority operations from today and the first ship that will come in will be an oil tanker we need to make sure that we keep fuel supplies safe but it also means with the Port now opening that goods into Brisbane and just as importantly goods out of Brisbane can now start operations again. We're seeing roads progressively open across the city and we do just repeat the messages of earlier this week please it's still not and it's not easy driving around some of those roads and we don't expect to see all traffic signals fully operational as I said possibly even into Tuesday and Wednesday. We are currently operating 34 recovery centres across the southeast and we've seen some of them very very busy. In Ipswich yesterday they were processing 100 payments per hour in Ipswich there is a lot of people in very desperate and dire need. To those people who know someone who might need this sort of assistance these are one-stop shops where you can get immediate cash as well as information about your insurance and your entitlements and how you can get help as well as things like your electricity supply. These locations some 34 of them they'll be available on government websites and I'd really encourage people to talk to your friends about them if they don't know about them. We'll have new teams of recovery workers for those centres arriving from South Australia and ACT tomorrow and New Zealand later this week and we have offers from other states to continue to replace people as they get worn out on the front lines. So those centres we expect to be operational for several weeks. In terms of the effort that's going on across Queensland to get our schools ready for day one we've now been able to confirm 92 schools have experienced inundation of at least one building and another 29 have seen inundation onto their playing fields. So there are a number of schools that will experience some disruption on day one but we are on track to have every school that can be opened open on day one of school and we are working in some smaller communities and even here in Brisbane in Rockley for example identifying local schools nearby that can take extra children for that first couple of those first week or so. So we expect to have either school open as normal or alternative arrangements made so that every child in Queensland can start school on day one.  We continue to be very grateful for the assistance we're seeing from the Australian Defence Force. There are now 1447 Defence Force personnel deployed across Queensland largely in the southeast but we continue to have a presence by the ADF in St George and in Rockhampton. We are very pleased that a minesweeper will arrive tomorrow to start checking in Morton Bay so that we can locate large debris and make decisions about what if any should be salvaged for the sake of cleaning out the bay. We have now got Air Force assets out doing major photographic aerial surveys of the flood plain so that we can see how this flood behaved and keep that record before the flood marks disappear so whether it's people out on the ground getting dirty the ADF are providing either those sorts of personnel or using their assets in a very strategic way that will hopefully help us in the future. The scale of this disaster I think is certainly starting to be understood by many people but what happened in the last week certainly significantly has increased the task of rebuilding. Just the early estimates indicate that since this time last week the number of houses that have been inundated has doubled, the number of properties impacted in some way has trebled, the number of evacuations across Queensland have doubled and the area affected by all of these events in the last couple of weeks is now almost 500,000 square kilometres and the people who live in the 51 local government areas that have a disaster declaration number 2.1 million so we're seeing a very large scale event obviously some people have impacted in a desperate and dire way but many others having their lives dislocated by roads cut off by not being able to get to services by not being able to keep medical appointments etc so this will have a ripple effect across our community for a very long time. On that note I therefore very pleased that the Federal Government and the Prime Minister has matched a contribution from the State Government of another $10 million each into the Relief Appeal. That additional $20 million between the Queensland Government and the Commonwealth Government will bring the Relief Appeal to around the $85 million mark today. We still have some number of big fundraisers, the Cricket Australia Day, a big sound relief concert to come but I do appeal to Australians today and to Queenslanders who have not been affected. Many of you are coming home from holidays and haven't had a chance to think about donating. Now is the time for us to kickstart the appeal again and ask you to dig deeper. The people who are affected by this event are affected by not only savage water wrecking their homes they have gone through something very traumatic and their ability to get over it and our ability as a community to totally get back on our feet will need significant financial help. Governments are putting in massive amounts of money to the rebuilding effort but as a community we can all play a role. So I encourage people time to dig deeper and Queenslanders say a very big thank you to everybody who's made a contribution to date. I invite the Deputy Commissioner to make some additional comments. Thank you Premier and good morning ladies and gentlemen. The Queensland Police Service is certainly working very hard in relation to traffic management plans and traffic strategies to keep Queensland moving particularly in the south-east of the state. Over the next few days as the Premier quite rightly said there will still be road closures and road details because of damaged infrastructure and the police will be out there working to try and keep traffic moving. I would like to in particularly mention though that unfortunately the vultures have started to come out and we have a number of scams operating across the south-east in particular. Some of these are the normal ones where these scam tradies turn up demand money of people to do to help with cleaning buildings a bit of painting here and there clearing of yards and they want the money up front they go away they're never seen again please don't fall for victim to that type of scam. The other scam that's operating is both by telephone and electronic means to contact householders who've been affected and to advise them that they know how best to help them access the money that is that is coming from federal and state authorities and then demand records of banking arrangements for those particular people do not fall into the trap of giving over any details of that sort these are just scams certainly in the Locky Valley today we are continuing the very very gruesome task as the Premier quite rightly said of the search to give people an understanding of the of the challenges that are still facing the searches there is one debris pile that is about three meters high by at least another three meters wide and a hundred meters long we know that that pile contains deceased animals the farm animals and the like that whole area has got to be pulled apart and searched meticulously and that is just one of the areas that we're dealing with in that huge area certainly the other focus is to assist with areas like Condomine and Durham Bandy and to monitor the flood peaks as they as they continue in those areas and to repatriate people as soon as possible thank you no we haven't but obviously it's five days away and we will be in relation to the King tide next Friday that will be carefully monitored and the hydrologists will be posting their forecasts and readings online so if there is any issues that people need to know about rest assured as we've done this week we will come out and tell you about it can I say that it's inevitable in a big event like this that you'll often get rumours and there've been several wild allegations that I've been having to put to bed all week there may well be some scare mongering about the King tide can I just say we have King tides all the time they're a very normal part of the tidal system and we are very confident that we'll be able to manage this King tide as long as of course we don't get massive amounts of rainfall in the next week so we talk about the King tide to be open but people should not be worried unnecessarily we are very confident that the King tide will be managed if there is a problem we will come and talk to you with plenty of notice no they will they will be up and running we've just got to get the water out of those basements you know I think the current forecast is that they'll all be operational sometime this week but it won't be Monday morning so you know this time of year we do anticipate that the combination of people who are still on leave people whose own homes have been affected will see both major private companies and government departments not as fully staffed as they might otherwise be at this time of year and we've just got to accept that we want to be as reasonable as we can with people whose lives are being that who are still cleaning up this sort of mess so I do think everyone's going to have to be a little patient our centre of the city is not going to look or operate as you know at full at full throttle for some days but all efforts that can be made are being made to do that and have you been given any sort of feedback to bring now what we're what we there are a couple of people who out of one of the flood affected towns particularly around Theodore we are waiting on tests to see what might what they might be suffering from there's no absolute confirmed evidence that it's anything to do with flood waters but just so that we can be absolutely rigorous we're testing them to ensure that that's not the case but you cannot I can't give the message more strongly and more often or too often that while you're out there cleaning up these floodwaters and I've been out there talking to people this morning I think everybody knows it stinks out there and the reason it stinks is that this water is full of awful things there've been dead animals rotting food the broken chemical containers this water is toxic and if you have a cut or a scratch and this water gets into it then you're at a serious risk of infection so it's absolutely fantastic to see all the help out there on the streets of Brisbane and I really thank everyone for rolling up their sleeves but please let's not see a serious disaster made worse by people getting sick when they don't need to we need everyone on deck so please stay safe and look after yourself not only am I inspired by all of the volunteers that are out there on our streets I think the rest of Australia is inspired by what's happening here in Queensland I indicated earlier this week when we were in much more dire circumstances that there was something special about the people who were born north of the border and I think everyone's seeing it on display out there on our streets not only in Brisbane but I saw it yesterday in the streets in Rockhampton I saw it last weekend in the towns of Condomine and Theodore and we're going to have to see it again when Condomine gets back after their evacuation so there's still a lot of cleanup happening right across regional and rural Queensland there's still a lot to be done and everybody who can pitch in is pitching in and I think we can all there's something magic happening across the city today certainly I would invite anyone who


Hello. Hello, everyone. Welcome to the GSOC weekly meeting. Today, we have regulars in CUP to talk about the incoming GSOC 2019. We have already applied to GSOC. We wait for the application feedback, but in the meantime, we still prepare to the... Just a second. I'll mute him. Okay. So, yeah, we just talked about the projects, try to get them over the fence and answer any kinds of questions from our students and mentors. So, that's the objective. I'll share my screen and here. Do you see my screen now? So, if anybody wants to join, there is a GitterChat, and in the GitterChat, you can find a link to this broadcast, so you can just join the participant link or we will post it in the YouTube and the results are linked to the meeting notes. So, we do not have specific topics in the agenda, but since we have new people on the call, let's do some introductions. Then, yeah, we can sync up on ongoing action items and, yeah, Kone and then project ideas review. Anything else to add to the agenda? Okay, I guess now. So, yeah, since we have several people, would you guys be interested to introduce yourself? Hello. Hello, everyone. I'm Sagar Alani and I joined the SIG Group, I think a month ago, but I was busy in my projects. So, for starters, I have read the Jenkins handbook and I have also developed one plugin using Baldung's blog post. So, I'm exploring Jenkins right now and I was interested in configuration as a code plugin and role strategy performance plugins. And so, I read the documentation about configuration as code. It says, I think I read it one week ago. So, it said we have to select some plugins which we can improve. So, is there any further talk on which plugins should we improve or I have to explore some plugins? Yeah, let's take a look at it later. I'll add it to the agenda so that we will discuss once we get to that. Plugins to improve. Okay, I add it to that. So, we also have Arnab on the call. Arnab, would you be interested to introduce yourself? Yeah. Hi, everyone. This is Arnab Bani. So, actually, I was a GSOC student last year and I had done my project under the INCF organization. So, the project was in Python and it was in the domain of computational biology and in the domain of... It was basically in the intersection of biology and coding basically. So, from a domain point of view, it was not something that was related to what Jenkins is all about, but it was a good GSOC experience and I completed the project successfully. So, now that I've graduated from college, I'm not allowed to be a GSOC student anymore. So, I won't be applying as a student this time, but this time there are two projects, the discard steps, the build steps project and like working on that plugin, that project and the other project which is probably the only project in the list which is in the windows environment, C-sharp and all that. So, those two projects are something that I found a little interesting. I haven't yet jumped into the code base. I haven't done a deep dive analysis yet, which I plan to do in the coming days. So, I'm planning to co-mentor those two projects and since this is my first time just giving an introduction, so currently I'm working as a software developer at Credit Suisse, which is a bank. I don't know if you've heard of it or not. Okay, thanks for the introduction and yeah, we also have Python project ideas in the review. We can talk about them later. Okay, and Martin, could you please introduce? Not Martin, but yeah, there is a student together with you. Yes, I'll pass him the mic. Yeah, okay, I'm Derek Hacklott. Like I said, I'm a student. I'm just in grade 12, applying for a university and I'm applying for software engineering and computer science. So, this is probably what you're doing is what I might be doing in the future. So, I want to see what you do. Thank you, Derek. Well, I'll just introduce myself quickly. My name is Martin and I'm a 4Gadmin on this program as well as a mentor of the Green Program. And we also have all other 4Gadmin. So, my name is Alek Ninazhev. We have Jeff Pierce on the call. We have Loi Chiang. And yeah, we also have Riko on the call who's a mentor for the GitLab SCM. So, again, we already introduced ourselves. So, yeah, maybe we could continue with the discussion unless we want to spend more time on introductions. What would you prefer? Okay, then let's move on. So, let's take a look at our action items. So, yeah, I added a config as code, also discard build steps. Then, yeah, we will have some other project ideas. Okay, actually, I will move it here. Okay, let's start from the action items. So, we have some action items, which open for a while. So, Martin, it seems you invited every mentor to the main mentor list, right? At least there may be a lot of messages about that. Yes, I did the invite from the Gitter Chat. My plan was to look at the list and see if everybody is signed up. And if not, I'll send reminders again. I think the next time I'll go with personal messages in Gitter. Since I don't have those demands. Okay, thank you. If you're a mentor and if you're not in the main list, let us know, we will add you or you can just request join me on yours. Then, now the action items. So, swag distribution in printing. So, my plan is to get everything delivered during February. If nothing gets delayed. Regarding special interest groups, hardware in the NDA Seq is published. It's ready. Embedded Seq is still on me, but we do not have project ideas for embedded space so far. So, it's not critical for JSOC. But, yeah, if somebody wants to have something specific to embedded, yeah, Martin, welcome to do that. And, JSOC is still open. Expense report, Jeff? Still not done. Okay. In the worst case, you can just donate it to Jenkins. But, yeah, I encourage you to expense it finally. Actually, to be honest, I was considering just doing that. So, why don't we say that that's the outcome? Yeah, we will just need to ask Kit to send you a thank you message after that. Okay. Yeah, and then what else do we have here? We had some Coini last week. I believe that all action items are all done. So, we got some clarity on multi-branch support for GitLab. Let's discuss it today since we have both mentors. And then, yeah, we still need to organize something for Docker things, but we started a new GitHub chat for Docker. So, I believe that everybody interested in this project will be moving there and they will be more focused to discussions. So, yeah, I think this action item is also done. And, yeah, what else did we have? Actually, that's it from last time, I believe. Am I missing any action items? Oh, yeah, I like opinion of folks about project application feedback. So, yeah, we have one week before the application deadline. Everything is in place, but if you want to propose improvements in the application, it would be better to do it now. So, please take a look at our application document and if you want to change something, especially if you're an org admin or a mentor, let us know. So, it's located here, GSoc 2019, and in the bottom, you can see application draft. So, this markdown document, and effectively you can just propose a pull request and once you do that, we will reflect it in our application. Yeah, Oleg, this is Lloyd. There was another item, I'm sorry, I have put it in the same paragraph as Docker has signed to Martin, was about balancing the mentors across projects and ideas for mentors not to be spread too thin. Martin said you'll give a thought on it. So, I have signed it to him in the Google doc. Okay, should we discuss it later too? Balancing mentors for this one. Okay, so we will think more about it. So, yeah, we can just discuss it today if we get to that. Martin, are you fine with that or do you want to take more time to process it? Well, I think when we get to the point where we have reviewed the student applications is when we're going to have to do the balancing. For now, it's just we have to keep all the project proposals going, you know, as students are asking questions, we just have to keep it going. I don't know of another way. Yeah, I do agree. So, for now, there should be no large traffic. So, yeah, this project idea requires some more time. And yeah, we get some student requests. So, yeah, that's nice. But it also requires mentors time. So, let's proceed to CoNA them. And then probably if there are more thoughts, we can just discuss it after the meeting. So, configuration as code plugins to improve. How many mentors do we have today on the call? Me and Martin, right? So, no other mentors for this project. So, just to answer this question, there is so there is our project ideas list and there is configuration as code compatibility project. So, in this project, okay, no, it should be fine. In this project, we have we don't have specific list of plugins. But what we do, we actually reference plugin compatibility dashboard is here. And there is a number of plugins which still need to be made compatible with JSOC. So, this configuration as code plugins. So, there are some major plugins, for example, here, let's take a look, for example, Gita plugin, Gradle plugin, Gary Trigger, they are not integrated. Also, some, there are some minor bits in other plugins. And moreover, there may be other plugins which are not compatible. So, that is a quick start. And actually, the quick start presumes that you can just, you could try several demos. And if you like this project idea, you can just take a look at existing plugins and see what is not compatible. So, yeah, we expect students to come up with their own list of plugins, though we can make some suggestions as mentors. So, Martin, from the top of your head, which plugins would you recommend to focus on? I would go with the most, the plugins that have the most installations. But off the top of my head, I know that there's been some progress on the external workspace manager, but it's not a very popular plugin. Yeah. So, we can just go to plugins drinking saio. And if you're interested, you can just open plugin and you see here, you can see number of installations. So, for example, this is something like seventh solvent, which is pretty high for a plugin. And yeah, we can take something else. We can take Mailer plugin, for example, but yeah, Mailer plugin is installed almost everywhere. So it's 200 solvent installations. And yeah, there are still some improvements possible here for jcask. Yeah, you can take plugins based on installation numbers or my recommendation would be to actually take plugins based on your own preferences. So if you're like particular area, for example, if you're interested in git stack, or if you're interested in AWS stack or something like that, you could just make a proposal around these stacks. So you can propose, I would like to work on plugins in, let's say, for Microsoft Asia. You just explore the plugins and find some issues there and provide a list of plugins you want to focus on. And it would be a really good starting point for project application. So, which area would you interest to use, Agar? Hello, Oleg. I think I will explore the quick start guide which you have given, which is on the document. And I am quite interested in, I think AWS. So I will explore the AWS space and see if I can make any improvements. Yeah. So for AWS, you can just, even just search for AWS shows quite a number of plugins. And I'm definitely sure that some of these plugins are not compatible with jcask. So how to discover them? One of the ways is actually to look at compatible Jenkins version numbers. Because if the version is low, for example, if it's something like 1532 or so, most likely the plugin uses alt APIs and it's much more likely that this plugin isn't compatible with jcask. So if you want to discover issues, it's one of the ways. You just take a look at this list, find plugins which you like, which you use. So if you use AWS Lambda, there is Lambda plugin, device farm, there is also plugin, et cetera, et cetera. So you take a look at these plugins, most likely you will see some incompatibilities. And yet it could be a good starting point. Okay, Oleg, I'll watch into it. Okay. So that's good. So Oleg, I wanted to discuss about something like about the list of projects, actually. So I was wondering if it would be a good idea to maybe, you know, in the projects page, if we have maybe an additional attribute for each of the ideas wherein maybe the senior contributors of the Jenkins team can decide which projects are maybe high priority, because some organizations have seen what they do is they write that for every project they write the priority, like is it a high priority project or a low priority project. So what happens is when the student application period opens and when there is a sudden inflow of a lot of students who are going through all the all the project ideas for many organizations. So sometimes when a student is confused between which idea to work on, and maybe there are multiple project ideas which are all like equally interesting to the student, then the student might, the student's decision to decide which project to work on might depend on that. So I don't know if it'll be a good idea to do that for Jenkins as well, but because like you said that there are many plugins and they all they are all like concerned with different stacks, like some are related to get some are related to AWS. So I don't know if it would be a good idea to do it, but yeah, so maybe you can think about it. Yeah, so Rankin projects is definitely a good idea. The problem is how to rank these projects, because yeah, one of the ways would be to just rank them by value to the community, but in the case of Jenkins, the value of community really depends on your use cases, because these cases may be completely different. So just using this criteria it would be extremely complicated. So yeah, we can potentially say that okay core features would be higher priority for the community than plugin features, but I would say that even in this list it doesn't seem to be fully correct. So yeah, if you have ideas how to rank these projects, it would be interesting to know. Okay, and another attribute which generally like again, like we don't have to do it just because some other organizations also do it, but another thing with some organizations I've noticed do is that so in the skills column, apart from the fact that so and so languages will be used in this project, sometimes they also write another thing if it will be a difficult project or if it will be a comparatively easier project to do. So I don't know, like you said, these things are a little complicated to decide because especially for the importance part like you said, what might be important for the community might not be important for someone who's using, you're not using that plugin. So it depends on the use case like you said. So yeah. Yeah, thanks for the feedback. So what do others think? So we discussed this topic in a slightly different way in the previous meeting and why my thoughts then and I think I relate to Martin because Oleg you had to step off the call and Arne wasn't part of the Jenkins mentorship yet was that we should prioritize in ensuring that students, all students interested in apply for a project can receive mentorship. So it's a slightly different way to think about it. Our primary interest is in building community as a highest priority and in doing that is to ensure that we have enough mentors for all the students in projects for GSOP and which means I don't think it's something we can immediately address tactically but it would be until later time when Martin says what we need to start balancing how mentors are distributed across project proposals from students. I know it's somewhat complicated and it's not the type of thing we can easily put onto the Jenkins IO website how other projects which is simply this priority high, priority low, priority medium and so on. For ours, we actually need to see the student applications in order to make that type of priority assignment. I think it makes sense. Yeah, so one of the simple ways to do that would be to just start the projects by the number of potential mentors. Well, it's something we could do easily. I am not 100% sure it, well in these projects number of mentors is probably the best criteria we could estimate without digging into the value to the community or project priorities because if there are more mentors, there are higher chances that this project is interesting to the community and that then it may be successful when and it may be scheduled when we do mentor balancing. Would it make sense if we just sort a project? I think we can do that as a first step of my concern is simply for yourself, Oleg and Martin you'll probably have to divide yourself using fractional numbers because you're spread across five or more projects for each of you. But I don't know the exact count. Yeah, in my case, yeah, since we have some ongoing discussions, I already built some preferences so I could remove myself from a few of these projects if you feel that there are too many mentors for me. Yeah, and the specific context where it came up was in a prior meeting, Benith asked he was interested in several projects and or recommendation which one he might want to pursue based on the community's priority. And my response to him was that both Andre and Justin are available as mentors but only for the Docker projects and since beneath how already been in conversation with him online about it, try continuing that one whereas the other projects I don't know at this time whether mentors would be available or not. So that's a specific example about this conversation. Yeah, so here we have potential mentors. So right now there is no strict commitment from mentors as well as there is no strict commitment from students. Now we try to ensure that the mentors understand and what means being a mentor. Yeah, if we have discussions with people who want to join this list to understand that they can really commit on that potentially. But yeah, I understand your point, Lloyd. But yeah, I'm not 100% sure how we could address that. I think it has to be a case by case basis. Yeah, for example, for me the problem that yeah, I'm listed in many projects because these projects are potentially interesting to me. And if there is a good application from students, then yeah, depending on the quality of applications, my preferences among these projects may differ. So I just state that I would consider to be a mentor in projects and that I am ready to be a contact point at this phase. That's why my name is not everywhere, but in many projects. I think it's okay, but yeah. So let's sort and projects by number of mentors is something we can do. It's easy to implement. What else can we do in order to improve the experience for students? Lloyd, if you propose removing mentors, so if they listed into many projects, it's probably something calls. We can do also. Sorry, your audio breaks. Yes, can you hear me now? Yes. Okay, so let's say when Jenkins is giving the application to Google. So for every project, the list of mentor also has to be given or is there a pool of mentors given and then the distribution can be liquid later on. Or is it that before the application, like before during the application period itself does Jenkins have to make it clear to Google who are going to be the mentors for which project? No, it's not needed. So it happens during the student selection phase. So before the student selection phase, we don't commit on potential on mentor teams. We expect to provide an approximate number of people who are interested to be mentors. And we have this number from this list. But we don't commit to provide marketing immediately because it just doesn't make sense. We can say that, okay, we have this project, for example, IDE coverage adapters. We may have a brilliant student application, and then everybody from the list wants to mentor that or maybe not. Maybe we can, we won't get applications at all and mentors from here will migrate to other projects. So right now, there is no committed mentor teams. Okay, so I think then the issue of balancing mentors, then don't you think that it shouldn't be much of an issue then? Because over the next month, as the, as we see, like, which projects are getting student attention and which products are not getting student attention. So accordingly, then maybe the balancing can be done, then like, will it be something to worry about now? Yeah, I just, that makes sense to me. Just when this initially came up in the previous office hour, it was more from the students' perspective of saying, they're all listed as potential mentors. I'm not quite sure which one I should proceed. And both Martin and I recommended that the most successful projects are ones that are driven by the students ensuring that the outreach to mentors results in a good working relationship. Yeah, that's right. Yeah. And also, I think during the proposal phase, what I've also noticed is that most of the successful projects are those in which, like well before the deadline, the students start working on their proposals and they have their draft reviewed multiple times by the community members. And they have multiple changes made to their proposal. And so that by the time the deadline comes, their proposal is almost perfect to be selected for that project. Yeah, that's also true. So our experience that all successful students had the reach out to us at least one month before the deadline. But yeah, anyway, mentor balancing happens a bit later. And we will be able to know more two weeks before the student application deadline. But the question last week was how to choose a project right now. I believe the best suggestion is like, well, whatever you like, this is the best area for you. Yes. And one last question. So let's say there are two students and let's say they both want to work on the same project. Then how do we reply to that? Like some students have this feeling that one student is already interested in one project. So some students, they feel a little apprehensive to approach mentors for that project again, because they think that someone else is already trying to get into this project. So sometimes they feel a little shy to approach mentors just because someone else has already approached mentors for that project. So if two students are interested in the same project, so how should we ask them to go forward with that? Yeah, so if two students are interested and we already have such cases, they are more than welcome to reach out to mentors. They are more than welcome to reach out to each other because JSOC is open source contribution and open source project experience for students. And collaboration with other stakeholders is a key thing there. So if they see that there are potential conflicts between proposals, et cetera, it's something they can figure out in the beginning. For example, if there are two students and if there are meetings set for the project, for example, we had a meeting for role strategy plugin this weekend and students can just join this meeting, they can join chats and discuss how they would approach that. So they can even work together to file proposals which do not compete with each other and which prevent conflicts so that potentially both projects may be selected. It's something totally possible for some projects, for others, it may be not possible. But yeah, JSOC is still, well, there are many project ideas, but there are much more students applying and some idea project ideas and some applications may not be accepted just because there is another beta application. The best way to prevent that is actually to reach out to the mentors earlier to start communicating in public channels and then you have much more time to figure it out how to prevent that. Because yeah, if you join the public discussions one week before the application deadline, most likely there is nothing what can be done at that point. If you start the discussion one month in advance, then there are much more opportunities to find a way to prevent the conflicts. Okay, I think that sounds good. Yeah, that's it from my end actually. Okay. Yeah, any other questions, comments? Yes, no? So should we spend some time to review project ideas? Okay, let's take a look what we have now. So this is our page.  Most of them, yeah, they're fine, though, yeah, encourage all mentors to communicate with students and maybe make some changes in the proposals. For example, there are many questions coming about how to start this particular project idea. And if you're a mentor, maybe it makes sense to explicitly put in the project idea for students. So we, for example, there are questions for discard build steps recently and maybe for other projects. So if you're a mentor, maybe adding such information would be helpful. For draft project ideas, we have some drafts here staged and some of them are under discussion. And we also have some project ideas which have been submitted recently. So what do we have? We have a proposal about freestyle to pipeline job converter. It has been submitted by Craig recently. Then we have plugin to manager CLI. It's also submitted as a pull request now. I just forgot to put the link here. Okay, yeah, so it's here. So these project ideas, yeah, they're both for publishing cause draft. And we also have machine learning project, which is also new. And probably we need to do something about that. So probably we should start from the top. So there was a question about discard build steps in Ubea onboarding. Have I put it on my own or has somebody edited it? Or like I put the line below that, but the newbie. Okay, maybe I was the one who edited it. So the question here is about getting started because in this particular project, there is no quick start guide. There is no newbie friendly issues specifically related to this project. And actually it would be great to have something. We have organization one, it's newbie friendly issues. But if it's possible to add some more information for students, it would be really helpful. Yeah, it's just an example of what I was talking about. Yes, so that was my project idea to start with. And I'm glad that is Arnab on the call, I think he is. Yeah, he is. Yeah, so this project, what's happened is I looked at it last night and the discard old build feature has progressed since I looked at it the last time and it can now discard artifacts separately from discarding builds. So essentially all the features that the features that were missing are starting to get into the core of Jenkins. So the proposal for the start build step, in my opinion, needs to be rewritten because of that. Okay, so it's not about starting the project from ground up anymore because some progress has already been made. Is that what you're saying? Yes. And I'm also saying that I describe the project as a step in the pipeline, but so much has been done in core that I don't think we need the step anymore to do this. We can just keep improving the core. Yeah, so maybe it makes sense to have a series of updates here. So for example, you could move the description back to Google Doc and work together with Arnab to update it to the current state. What do you think? Yes, that's what needs to happen. Yes. Arnab? Yeah. Okay. Yeah. So I look into it. Okay. Yes. Okay. Yeah. Maybe even moving back to draft, so that students do not get confused by the status. So should we do that? Yes. So for draft project IDs, it's still possible to apply to a draft. So it's not an end to the world, but yeah, it just indicates that there is an active discussion ongoing. The scope of such IDs may change significantly during the discussions until the first coding period starts, something like that. Okay. So the next topic was about this related projects. So Martin, what is the discussion here? So the discussion here is that Jesse provided feedback on how to write DSL-compatible plugins, pipeline DSL-compatible plugins, and he is adamant about not using the global variable facility. And so the plugin can only be pure pipeline steps that return simple objects. That is his recommendation. So when I'm writing, when I wrote the examples, I focused on making them pure steps. There's the discussion. There's been, you know, I've seen examples that you have proposed Oleg, and I'm not sure that I'm not sure that it agrees with what Jesse has said. So the implementation side, I'm not sure how to describe it anymore. Yeah. So just on the, I developed only a few Jenkins plugins for pipeline, but I was always using global variables and I do not feel that there are any issues with using them. I was following this discussion a bit, but well, personally, I do not think that it's a blocker. I still need to take a look why Jesse thinks that they shouldn't be used, but well, they are successfully used and they are successfully used in pipeline libraries. So on this page, you're looking at, there is a, the last, no, no, no, not at the bottom at the top in the description. It says, if at all possible, limit your plugins to implementing plain steps. So that's the last sentence of this paragraph. Well, maybe managing global variables may be a bit more complicated because they have context, et cetera. But yeah, it's reasonable guideline for pipeline developers because yeah, having a step and maintaining this step is generally more useful. But here, what we could do, of course, we could say that, yeah, we could just replace it by yeah, for example, would you mind if I just write here to map? Go for it. Okay, so we could just say, so something like that with client though. So you could say something like that first get so something like jobs, built-in for, for example, and it still returns object and it formally uses on the pipeline steps. Yeah, I have no strong cutting in there. I think that this one is also viable. So this with client call, is that the step or is that a global variable? It's a, well, it really depends on how you implement that. But generally, it's a step. It's a step which takes closure as a last argument. The thing that in Jenkins you can implement is it is a global variable because Groovy allows that. But generally, it's a step. Okay, I'm not sure I am completely clear, but I've never, yeah, I've never ventured on that side of the DSL other than, then using what already exists. So maybe it makes sense to discuss it a bit in the pipeline sick meeting. Because well, although I understand what is the purpose to keep the things simple, yeah, having global variable sometimes it's really helpful. Okay, we can, I can attempt, I can discuss the pipeline authoring scene. Okay, let's move on then. So we have a Github project idea. Actually, I wanted to lend it last week, but last week there was a bunch of comments from Jeff. So the proposal was just full of comments. Now they seem to be addressed. But my question to you guys is whether we are ready to publish it. So there's two things. I don't think that I think the metadata needs to be reformatted to the new template. It's still all at the top. So that's one thing. We don't have any newbie friendly issues. I'm not sure what they would be for this project. Yeah, so my ask would be to have either a quick start guide on newbie friendly issues. So if you can provide particular newbie friendly issues, you could provide a quick guide how to start with your project idea, for example, how to explore Github plugin and how to come up with the proposal. So quick start guide would be a replacement for newbie friendly issues. Do you know if we have examples of a quick start guide in other plugins? Yes, we do. Okay. So I put a quick start guide to all my proposals, unless I missed something. Oh, I still need to publish a photo strategy. But you can find my project ideas. Okay. So if you, Jeff and Rick, could come up with a decision here, I think we should publish it. The rest looks fine. Do you want to take a shot at it, Rick, or you want me to do it? Sorry. Are you on the call, Rick? Maybe not. I thought Rick was on the call, I guess not. He was on the call. I believe he's one of Mr. Jenkins. I'm not sure which one. Yeah, that's the problem when you log in with generic account. Okay, we'll work it out on the Gitter channel, I guess. Okay. So yeah, once you agree with each other, we publish this project idea. I think it's solid enough and it was in review for quite long. The other thing we could potentially do, we could send it out to the dev mailing list and see if there's any additional comments. I'm not sure if it's valuable at this point. I think the proposal seems pretty clear to me. I believe that Rick has already sent a message to the mailing list, though it may make sense to poke people in that mailing list. But yeah, I don't think it's a blocker for publishing. Okay. Okay. So should we move on? Yes. Yes. Okay. So what else do we have? So we have pipeline step documentation generated proposal. Again, after the review cycle, it looks solid. So I had a comments for you, Martin, about the Java doc, that Java doc is a bit disconnected from the project description. But yeah, I think that generally it's close to be published. Yes, I saw your comment about the Java doc. I find, okay, personally, I find the project proposal to be broad. So what I'm hoping is that the student is going to make a more make a specific proposal, which is directly with more concrete, with more concrete actions and objectives. Other ideas. So something like that, what we could do, for example, we could say that Java doc publishing or pipeline steps. Then, for example, we integrated here then the documentation of documentation to read the doc. And we can also say, for example, if we talk about Java doc generation for the link, okay, we will clean it up later for pipeline libraries. I'm not sure what pipeline libraries is. Sorry, you do not know what is pipeline library? I know what the pipeline library is, but what specific, what pipeline libraries are you specifically referring to here? I think you're talking about the steps, right? Yeah, so what I said that, for example, let's, a user may create a pipeline library like this one. And here you may see that there is a bunch of steps with some documentation in TXT, which is a bundle HTML, and also the readme's. So instead of that, it would be possible to generate Java doc for pipeline library. And actually, I already made an attempt to do that at some point. So yeah, it may be useful to have documentation generation for libraries, because libraries are what many users of script pipeline really use in pipeline. What do you think? So this would be for the pipeline library that you have shown on the screen, but also for other pipeline libraries? Yeah, right. So generated for pipeline libraries. Okay, so the generator would have to know where to find those other pipeline libraries? For user pipeline libraries. For user pipeline libraries? Yeah, so users create pipeline libraries and they want documentation for them. We don't need pipeline libraries for abstract pipelines in the web. At least I don't think so. That might be a whole separate, yeah, that's a different, like that's a good thing to put here. But I think that that might be like a whole different project. Yeah, right. It may be a separate project. Yeah, so that's actually good. So maybe like it's just something that maybe a student's more interested in doing that versus fixing the stuff on the website. But yeah, I think like that that entire effort might be like something completely different. But yeah, but we can add that. There are maybe other flowers of pipeline documentation, which could be submitted, and be submitted. Let's do some project ideas or something quite good. What I'm thinking here is that a lot of it will be in the student proposal. So the student, well, I guess the student is going to look at all of this. And, you know, if a proposal, if a student proposes to take on, let's say, 30% of what's in here and do it really well, and it's enough work for a whole whole program of four months, then I'm happy with it. It doesn't matter exactly what we wrote, it doesn't have to be. We give project ideas, we don't give project descriptions to copy paste. And it's intentional. So, guys, I have to drop again. But if you want, you can continue the discussion. Regarding this project idea, we could probably take it offline or discuss in detail at the next perhaps another sick meeting. Okay, so do you continue meeting? I have to drop off as well. I do as well. So, working week. Yeah, everybody has meetings this time. Okay, so, yeah, thanks a lot for participation to everyone. Any quick questions? Okay, then let's proceed in the chat. And, yeah, for the next meeting, I believe we should just stop 10 minutes before the deadline, and then we discuss other things and close down the meeting. Yeah, I just didn't know that I have a meeting now, but I do. Okay. Okay, so thank you. Yeah, then see you all. And thanks again. Any questions? Let's discuss them in Gitter. Thank you, everyone. Take care. Bye. Bye. Thanks, everyone. Bye.


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