All right, hi, everyone. My name's Sonanda. I'm a PhD student here at the Media Lab in the Mediated Matter Group. My background's in biology, and I've become really, really fascinated with astrobiology and life in space, so I'm very pumped for our panel. We have some really great panelists here. Thank you so much for being here, and thank you to the audience for being here as well. So I thought we would start with just introductions, so if you could go through one by one and just say your name and what you're interested in right now. Great. My name is Max Teckmark. I'm a professor here at MIT doing research in artificial intelligence and physics. And so dedicated to this panel. Actually, I was doing a physics experiment on the interaction effects between Earth's gravitational field and very low-friction environments, and seriously, I broke my leg just for this panel so I could demonstrate applications of human adaptability. Incredible commitment. Yeah. I'm very excited and honored to be on this because I spent a lot of time thinking about not just our technology today, but what opportunities it opens up for us in the future. Yeah. What better panel to discuss this than with all of you. I'm Julie Huber. I'm maybe the only oceanographer here. I study single cell life at the bottom of the ocean and beneath the sea floor, so I'm really interested in kind of how our oceans work in the dark, so life without the sun. And NASA has been a wonderful supporter of our research for the last 20 years, actually, thinking not only about origins and evolution of life, you know, three and a half billion years ago on this planet, but also the technology that we use in the deep ocean. I always say if you can't get it to work a mile beneath the surface, you're going to have a little bit of trouble out there. And most recently, thinking a lot about ocean worlds, especially Europa and Celadus, being involved in some of those missions, thinking about how to look for evidence of life in other oceans. And my name is Paul Harwitz. I'm a professor or retired professor, washed up professor at Harvard. I love building gadgets. I love electronics, but my latest obsession, latest being for several decades now, is the search for extraterrestrial intelligence using the radio telescopes or optical telescopes and have more to say about that, I think, during the panel. My name is Lynn Rothschild. I'm a scientist at NASA. Everyone else is dancing around it. I actually do work for NASA, don't have any MIT degrees, but I do wear two hats. There one is an astrobiologist. My background is in evolutionary biology and protostology like Julie. And so I spent most of my career looking at life in extreme environments on the Earth as analogs for the envelope for life elsewhere. And then about 12 years ago, I was asked to start a program in synthetic biology for NASA. So I now do an awful lot of that, trying to use engineering and rearranging and recreating life as a way to give us new technologies that will enable human exploration and discoveries that we can't do any other way. Cool. Thank you so much. So I think today we'll just have a really casual conversation, and at the end, we'll have 10 minutes for questions from the audience as well. But hopefully I cover some of the things you guys are thinking about, too. So the first question that I had when I was asking people like, hey, I'm moderating this panel. What's the first question you want to ask was, is there life in space? Why do you think so? And why not? Well, of course, there's life there, because we've got stuff orbiting the Earth. I think there are humans, maybe? Some sort of multicellular creatures. But beyond that, if our idea is about the origin and evolution of life, that's correct, that it's a combinatorial chemistry problem. And we have a pretty good idea of what you do once life evolves. But if you can actually get the origin of life, and again, we have lots of ideas, although we've never actually done it in the lab, we know it's possible because it happened on planet Earth. We know roughly what the conditions are, and we know that there must be many other places in the universe that have these sorts of conditions, that if it is a combinatorial chemistry problem and a statistical problem, surely it must have arisen elsewhere. And if not, then there's something seriously wrong about our scientific conceptions of what the origin of life took. Maybe I'd make a friendly amendment to that, which is, not only did it arise on Earth, it arose early. Almost as soon as it could have, oh, should it had formed after the late bombardment and all that kind of stuff. Although I don't know how you feel about it, but I think probably most of us in the panel throw out numbers like four billion years and three billion years like you talk about what you had for breakfast. And then you go home and you think that's a really, really long period of time. And so when people say, oh, it was very quick, you'd need at least 10 million years. And you say, oh yeah, 10 million is very short. Then you go home again and think 10 million is still a really, really long period of time. So I think a lot about life in our solar system, because I think that's the most testable hypothesis in the next 30 years. We now know that planets that don't have plate tectonics like Earth can still have tidal friction and volcanism and things like that. We know that planets can have rocky cores. We know that they can have oceans. And to me, the next question is, can those planets and moons support life? And I can't wait to get underneath those icy shells into those oceans. I think there's a very high probability that if indeed there is volcanism and water and oxidants that they will be able to support single cell life. And I always stop at single cell life because that's all I know about within our solar system. I think the question of how common single cell life is, it's fascinating. I'm totally open to the idea that that's fairly common out there. But I wanna ask the question which excites me the most, which is how rare is actually life at our level? It took us, life that can build its own technology and really take off. It took a long time for us to invent the internet, 4.5 billion years, right? Dinosaurs stomped around here for over 100 billion years without even getting a single router. And so it's not obvious that there aren't some major very unlikely roblox along the way and you asked if there's life out there in space? Well, the best and most accepted theory we have, what made our space, the theory of cosmological inflation, predicted space is infinite, randomly filled with stuff. So if that theory is true, then of course there's life somewhere. The question is, how far away is the nearest neighbor? Is it within what we call our observable universe? Or our universe for short? The region from which light has reached us during the 13.8 billion years since our big bang? If it's farther than that, then for all practical purposes, we're alone. And I'm actually in the minority view here, for truth and advertising, who thinks that we should be open to the possibility that we are actually the only life with telescopes in our observable universe. To say a couple of words of why I'm guessing that, if you multiply together all these unknown probabilities from combinatorial chemistry and the probability of getting beyond the dinosaur kind of life into life like you guys in the media lab would rent stuff and think about space, you get a very uncertain probability. It could be 10 to the minus 10, it could be 10 to the minus 20, it could be 10 to the minus 30, it could be what. So you have almost a uniform distribution in the exponent of your uncertainty and if you just propagate that into the probability distribution for the distance to your nearest neighbor, of course you're going to again get this equally likely that it's 10 to the 10 meters away, 10 to the 20 meters away, 10 to the 30 meters away, 10 to the 40, 10 to the 50, 10 to the 60. And then you go and look at the data. Well, if it's beyond 10 to the 26 meters away, that's outside of our observable universe. If it's much, much less than say 10 to the 16 meters away, we would have easily seen it already. So there's only a small number of orders of magnitude actually that it has to fall within for us to not have seen it trivially and for us to never see it. And I think if I were just betting our guess that it's probably not in that range, which means that we have an incredible responsibility to not blow it on this planet and have these kind of conversations and think, how can we do it right? I think it's a very seductive methodology. It is a Star Trek picture that we can screw up and mess up the climate and or have an accidental nuclear war or whatever. It's okay because there are all these friendly aliens that are going to come and bail us out if we mess up. I don't think we should drink that Kool-Aid. I think we should really say, hey, there is a real possibility that one day much of our cosmos will be teeming with life. And it's because of what we do here now. So let's really be open to the possibility that it is up to us. And work hard to make the best of it. Can I agree with the last point, which is we shouldn't screw it up, but disagree violently with your first point. You said, well, there's only 10 orders of magnitude in range between this and that. Well, of course, 10 orders of magnitude in range is 30 orders of magnitude in volume, right? You've got to keep this. And the other thing is, look, we now know there's as many planets as Star. So we have 10 to the 11th in our galaxy. Oh, yeah, absolutely. Four times 10 to the 11th, but we've got four. We have 10 to the 12th galaxies. You've got 10 to the 20. What about up to a 10 to the 25, 10 to the 23? It doesn't really matter with that number. And we're the only one. We one chance in 10 to the 23. I think a hypothesis that it's one in 10 to the 23 has a chance of 10 to the minus 23 of being correct. Well, it's the only number in town. If I can push back a little bit on that, so I'm all with you on all those exponents and the numbers, they're all right. And but, you know, you really want to take a uniform distribution of this probably not uniform distribution from zero to one. You want to have it uniform in the log, right? So because whenever you do combinatorics, it's very easy to get 10 to the minus 100 or 10 to the minus 1000, these kind of numbers. There are many, many different things we have very little clue about. We don't know how likely it is to just get the ribosome going. There are many things that could be a roadblock. And and also at the level of higher intelligence again. And and also there's the Fermi paradox, which we really can't neglect. But if it really were that easy, there are you. So your argument can in a way be used to turn around against you here because you can say, hey, we know there are billions of planets, even in the Milky Way, they're very Earth like and formed over a billion years before us. So so why haven't we heard from any of those? Maybe they're all those Buddhist monks sitting there meditating in, play video games and don't want to communicate with us. But all one billion of them. Yeah, I feel like you're conflating a whole lot of things into one sentence here. I can say this because I'm three people away from here. But I can beat you. But I know I know more than I bargained for. You know, I know for a fact, these steady people define intelligence as the ability to build a radio transmitter. And I've told Sesh Shostak many times that I'm happy to admit that I am not an intelligent creature. And you know, I and so I believe that you conflated with what I said about the origin of life with finding people who could build a radio transmitter. Now that being said, once you have life, which is the big jump. And I think that's something the general public doesn't realize that the big leap is between non-life and life. Once you have life, we've had multiple routes in the history of life on Earth to go to intelligence. Now, whether all those intelligence, whether the average squid really wanted to turn on its radio or not, it's another matter. But we have lots of examples of that, whether you have a ribosome or not in another planet, whether you even have RNA, I would argue that you probably don't, but you probably have proteins because that's what's out there. So, you know, we may not have aliens out there that are creatures, beings that we're communicating with, you know, radio signals and asking how they like the latest episode of I Love Loosens. But that doesn't mean that there isn't life there. And that's what I'm very interested in. So, how is your detect life that's of different levels? So, Julie talked about... So, I'm going to say one little thing before we move on from this. Okay. Bring some closure because I think we're mainly arguing a little bit about definitions. I'm certainly not some sort of anthropocentric snob saying that only we should count it as smart in some sort of moral sense. I'm not arguing either that I'm sure that we're alone. I'm arguing for humility. I'm just arguing for that we should be open to the idea that we are the only planet in this observable universe with telescopes. And that's important because if we're the only one who can even see these galaxies, you know, it's only because of us that they're even beautiful, right? They're being experienced at all. And if the squids are very smart, but they're never going to go anywhere, then it might be up to us to see whether more of the space gets settled. So, humility. No, no, no, I didn't say that we were the only. Yeah. I think you guys were talking about humility sort of in different ways. So, about like detecting life of different levels though. So, there's detecting life that's intelligent or has telescopes or radio signals, but how would you detect life that's single-celled on different planets or even in the deep sea? How do you detect that? Yeah. I was going to say talk about humility, you know, climb in a submarine and go to the bottom of the ocean. You feel like, you know, a speck of dust and it's a very humbling and wonderful experience, much like we heard from our astronaut earlier. So, there are so many life forms on this planet that only recently we've been able to detect with the advent of many things, including molecular biology and the ability to look at cells at the single life, the ability to have access to environments that we didn't have before through amazing advances in engineering and technology. The challenge, you know, out even just in our solar system is, do we think that life is like us? Is it carbon-based? Does it have nucleic acids? Does it have ribosomes? Things like this. Is it weird life? And we don't have the instruments to detect it. The type of work that Lynn is doing, looking at synthetic life, can we make different types of life and still know how to detect it? Right now, what we've mostly been doing, what NASA has mostly been supporting is looking for Earth-like life using biosignatures. So, not actually the life forms, but looking at the energy that they need, remnants of their biochemistry and things like that. And I think to really push the needle forward, we have to think more like biologists. So what sort of techniques or tools do you think we should start doing now in labs to then further what we're looking for in space? Like how do we expand our definition of what our biosignatures that we should be looking for and what are other types of non-carbon based life forms? How do we start to approach that? Is it through simulation? Is it through different types of experiments? I know you're working on synthetic biology. So how do all these things sort of relate? For a start, and I'm on record saying this many times, that I think carbon-based life is sort of number one. And a lot of things fall from that. And that's not just because there's a lot of carbon in the universe. There is, but we also see carbon chemistry in even the interstellar medium. And I was pointing out, we're seeing on a large silicate rock and we're made of organic carbon. So I think if you start with organic carbon, there are a lot of things that fall from that. But I think at the end of the day, what you're asking yourself is what was asked with the ALH84009. Is there one, is there any other way to create what you see?  Is there an abiotic way to create that clock? And if not, if you've really eliminated every other possibility, then there's a good chance that that's a biosignature. And so that's the tricky thing. And that's what has come about with the arguments about the earliest fossils on the earth. Could they be an abiotic remnant? Because the onus is on the person who claims that it's a biosignature. Of course, if you wanted to jump ahead, that could be a postbiotic. Of course, what I'm saying is carbon-based is the first generation and then our second generation or our iPhones and the other silicon-based. But the third generation may be post-us AI displaced from planets, happy in space where there's no gravity and making clocks to the heart's intent and out of cells. But I don't know how that you start that. We've already started. So in the resources that we're using right now and the way that we do missions looking for astrobiological signatures or testing how life survives on ISS missions and things like that, do you think there's new tools that we should specifically be focusing on right now, new things that we should develop so we can get more data faster? Or do you think we're doing a pretty good job as is? Well, I've been arguing in my own community of scientists that we need to start doing our science on the seafloor to help in this NASA-looking forward mission. But it's really, really hard. You know, there's a lot of pressure. There's a lot of water. Stuff doesn't like salt. All these things. But even just most of our science, we are still bringing samples back, especially for biology and doing it in a laboratory. So trying to bring the lab to the seafloor, and that is something that the Mars ethos, especially the Mars missions, have been trying to do. And I think we just need to do more experiments here on Earth to figure out what is the real detection limit? How do we interpret these results? You know, we've been misguided before, but we now know about a lot more extreme environments than we did during the Viking mission, right? And really get into them and try to, you know, open the space of possibility. Well, Julie, you're dancing around, and it's quite right, is the problem with space travel is that it's really expensive. Launching across the Earth's gravity well costs a lot.  And that's where a lot of the problems are. We have a lot of really good analytical techniques on the Earth that we have not miniaturized enough to make them reliable. I mean, that's not the only problem with the technology, but that's certainly one of the ones that I'm acutely aware of. Yeah, and another very exciting development that I think is fascinating to see what comes out of is the effort where you look at the composition of the atmospheres of extrasolar planets, right? We have missions at Kepler and now Tess, Sarah Seeger, and many others at MIT where you simply find a planet that's orbiting its host star so that it actually gets in the way of it once per orbit, and during that time, you look very carefully at the absorption spectrum of starlight filtered through the atmosphere, and if you can see there, clear evidence, hey, there is oxygen in this atmosphere, that is a kind of signature where you get that really interesting question. Can you explain that in some way? And the answer is Enceladus. So there is a way to explain it, but you're right, you have to think. But there's more also, you can look for other gases and you can, Sarah, for example, did some really nice work that if you get really good spectrum, you can even start to see it. Even if it's only one dot, you can't resolve it, you can see the rotation frequency of the planet, you can start to see if there's weather on it, you can start to see other structures. We might get some really interesting hints from this, and it's first exciting data we've never had. Looking forward to it. Yeah, I was on a group a couple of years ago at NASA headquarters on massless exploration. I pointed out the only exploration that's truly massless is one that uses spectra. Or sits on the Earth looking for radio signals.  So you talked a little bit about extreme environments on planet Earth. Can you give a little bit of some examples of different extreme environments that exist here, and what we can learn from doing experimentation there that would apply to studying life in space? Yeah, so we've done a lot. So you go through this laundry list. They're extremely high temperature environments. I think the record is about 122 degrees centigrade now, low temperature environments. And then if you're talking about stasis, I mean, we can keep human embryos and liquid nitrogen. So you've got that range there. Huge range of temperature, pH. I've heard people report pH down about negative one or two, but I haven't seen that actually reporting the literature. Well, I stuck a meter under stream in Garagua and I wanna see that published first. But certainly down very close to zero in places like Yellowstone National Park. And then up at about 12 or so in the Rift Valley in Kenya is one of the places we've gone. There's some places in Northern California that also have very high pH environments, close to 12, very high salt. We've worked on organisms that were basically metabolically active and nearly solid salt. The absence of salt is also a problem. I'm trying to think high radiation environments would be considered an extreme environment, whether you're talking about ultraviolet radiation or hard radiation. Now, I know a lot of people are gonna probably laugh at this, but I actually consider high oxygen at an extreme environment. And I would submit that if we weren't all aerobes, if we were anaerobic bacteria, we'd be gasping and saying, I can't believe they're creatures that would live in 21% oxygen. We've got all these backup systems to deal with it. And I'd say that the only reason we don't consider an extreme environment is because we're doing it right now. So I think high oxygen is actually, yeah. And so I've got colleagues who say, oh, we'll find you a planet that's got a lot of oxygen. It's like, actually, that's really dangerous. Most of the evolution of life on earth wasn't an anaerobic earth. So those are some of the ones we talk about a lot. Salt radiation, oxygen temperature, pH, and we have all these analogs on the earth. I thought some of this deep sea stuff is well above 120 degrees centigrade. That was my understanding. Well, the underwater volcanoes are up to 400 degrees. Right, but where there's been living organisms. Evidence of life stops at right around 120. Is that right? Yeah. And in the subsea floor environment, what is that like? Yeah, the subsea floor is actually beneath the sea floor. So within the rocks and the sediment that make up 70% of the surface of our planet, there's actually water moving through them. The whole ocean circulates through it. It's like an aquifer. And in some parts of the ocean, there are those beautiful tube worms and smokers that you see in National Geographic and things. But then there's other parts of the sea floor where cells have been sitting there for maybe thousands of years. Yet somehow they're able to maintain their cell, just kind of like waiting for that piece of carbon to come along or something. And maybe they divide once every 5,000, 10,000 years. And I think that's also really fascinating, this really extreme low energy environment, slow life at the other end of the spectrum, especially as we look for biosignatures on places like Mars, right? Where, you know, who knows what is left behind, but it isn't always gonna be sort of a high energy environment, right? It might be a very low energy environment. Microbes are good across the whole spectrum of that. Yeah, I feel like there's always a lot of questions that I have when I'm reading about astrobiology or life aside from humans, I guess, in other environments, which is just the idea of a life cycle and the idea of space and time in those ways. There may be signals that are being sent, but they're so slow or happen in such, you know, low frequencies that we don't pick them up in a single person's lifetime. And maybe we don't have the continuity required to really get that. Yeah, they're really terrible grad student projects, right? I mean, the cell that has been living alone for, you know, thousands of years and some scientists recently discovered they drilled two and a half kilometers beneath the sea floor into these deep sediments and they found evidence for cells. They could bring them back to life, but there was like one per cubic centimeter.  Yeah, exactly. Yeah, they were able to bring them back up into the lab, keep them under pressure and show that they could basically make methane, which is amazing, right? So it makes it hard to constrain. So there's a lot of modeling, right? Because you're not gonna do these experiments really, but also making these observations in nature and trying to figure out how it works. Interesting. So in terms of the challenges that we currently face, so there's a lot of things that we still need to find out. So could each of you say one area or type of tool that you think we need to really make the next step in terms of searching for life in space or even having humans living in space? How to make that process? So, I mean, I could talk about instrumentation, but I'm not going to. I'm gonna stick with the synthetic biology. And the reason I think that that's particularly important, both for the search for life as well as humans, is that it's an engineering discipline. So I, you know, this is an engineering school. I come from a science background, and this is great, scientists look out in the world and they try to understand what's there. But engineers try to do something new. And so say you're trying to marry the two in your head and you've got an astronomer that comes to you and says that they'd found a perfect planet for life, but the average temperature is 130. And I said, well, the highest temperatures are 120.  And you say, no, no, no, no, it's okay. Let me see if I can go to my lab and make an organism that'll go to 130. And what that does is it doesn't say that that organism is there, but it says that it's at least possible. And so I think that that's where synthetic biology for the search of life can be extremely important because it allows us to explore the art of the possible right here on the earth. But in terms of human exploration, the other side of the coin, it's also going to allow huge advances in everything from, these are just projects from my own lab, building habitats on Mars with fungal architecture, our architect colleague, Chris Maurers, right there in the front row. So we've had NASA funding for that or we have a satellite mission right now starting to look at having a little ecosystems to power a synthetic biology-enabled Mars colony or an astropharmacy, which we have under review right now. And using DNA actually is the scaffold to build wires one atom thick or cells to actually mine and recycle elements. These are all projects that have been going on in my lab with undergraduate and graduate students. So these are all very much possible in coming online. And again, I think that this is the only way you're going to solve the up mass problem is to use biology as technology to get us off planet. Thank you. I hear that. I will be passing the hat out. Well, my racket is technosignatures, not biosignatures, you know, SETI and its follow-ons. And I think what we've been hampered by mostly is we don't have the tools yet to cover the interesting part of the spectrum, the electromagnetic spectrum that's plausible for this kind of signaling. The, in particular, the infrared, which is a very good place. Space is just as transparent as you need to be. You can form very narrow beams, but the detectors we have now are very primitive and we don't have apertures yet to do that kind of thing. We are right now involved in California in a new setting which we're going to build two bucky balls, each of which has a hundred eyes about this size with a thousand-fold of multipliers behind it. We're going to put this northern and southern California so we get all political stripes involved in this thing. And we're going to look for coincident flashes. But even that's a drop in the bucket from what is probably needed to make contact. So I think we have to ride the exponential of technology, not try to push it past what it can do. And, but it would be nice if we could do it before we all croak. Reasonable. Yeah, I actually, I think the first thing that we need is the ocean scientists need a budget like NASA. We need to understand our oceans now. This idea of humility is really important but also how we study our oceans and what we learn is going to help in this search immensely. So I'd like to see a similar investment. And then I think the power bringing together space scientists, engineers and field scientists, whether they're working in some crazy desert or crazy cave or crazy ocean, is really powerful in designing this tool set to ask that question. I don't think any single discipline can do it. And so things like this, I was actually here a couple months ago for one of these about the ocean. And it would be great just to have it be perfectly half and half because I think the ideas are huge and the possibilities are endless. Right. First of all, I agree with all of the three pictures you guys made here. I would add, I think a big challenge is to persuade the power, our fellow humans on this planet and the powers that be, that we should simply devote a lot more effort to this than we are. You were joking that you would like ocean science to have the same budget as NASA. Well, I would like all of the science. Ocean science probably gets less money in a year than we spend on our military in eight hours by my tech or something like that. And I was just looking at Trump's new budget and much more than half of it is spent on just defending us humans against other humans on this little spinning ball. And the minute part which is actually shrinking is spent on science and trying to do all these cool things. So a little bit more energy and effort going into it, I think could dramatically accelerate what we can do. And there is of course a great deal we can do in addition to all the things that you mentioned already and new astronomical facilities and J.D.A. Boosty opening up in infrared, et cetera, et cetera. I think AI is also gonna be a great helper here in helping us develop more of these technologies we need faster in analyzing a lot of the data better. And even in helping us understand more what we might be looking for. Because connecting with what you said about post biological life, I think it's very important to let go of this idea that you don't share but of course many people who haven't thought about it do that we should be looking for biological beings in the very advanced civilization. When most likely that's a very short phase. We took 4.5 billion years to get the internet here and then from internet to space-faring civilization will probably be relatively quick. And we're on the verge over the most AI researchers in recent surveys think we're decades away from building artificial general intelligence. Even if they're wrong and it's gonna take 300 years, that's just a little blink of an eye in cosmic time and we're much more likely to catch other parts of other solar systems, et cetera. Either when they're stuck in some very low level primitive thing, material stage or in the post biological stage. And as we get better and better at AI I think we'll get a better sense as to what we're looking for. And also it'll open us our abilities to do it of course, ourselves. So Max you've made the perfect entry for one slide that I'd like to show and I've been given indulgence to show one slide. Of course. Could you open up the slide? It has to do with his old music. He didn't pay me to say this. No, no, thank you. I'll buy your beer afterward. So, is there a slide somewhere? There it is, okay. So this business of time. So astronomers sort of get this but it's kind of weird and you really have to get used to it. So in a kind of logarithmic way, here's all of time. I think the 13.6 is not 13.7, isn't it Max? But it's close enough. So sun and the earth about the last third of the age of the universe. Make that one day just to get a sense of scale. Earth's been around one day. Life arose early. And I think that's interesting and important. Multicellular life, not so early.  Well, let's just look at the last hour. That gets us to where the dinosaurs stopped roaming the earth but still not anything very interesting. Let's do the last minute. Well, the very end of the last minute is when Neanderthals died off. We're still not talking very interesting stuff from a biosec- Oh, yeah. Okay. Okay. All right, Julie got tapped on the last one. I know I was gonna get in trouble. I got in trouble with Max, now I'm in trouble with Max. Everyone's opinionated, it's good. The last second, here's the last second. Two tenths of a second. 10,000 years ago, agriculture. A tenth of a second, 10th of a second, recorded history, 5,000 years. It's 50,000 years per second, is the scale here. And now the last 10th of a second, we start to have some interesting stuff from us technologically points of view. No, right. There's Jesus and Columbus and this is an American Revolution, four milliseconds. Marconi, you can think of that as the beginning of electromagnetic exploitation, two milliseconds. Lasers and radio telescopes, that's sort of the stuff I traffic in. A mere millisecond, millisecond. So here we are. All the sort of technical stuff, all in the last little instant of time. We're not evolving particularly fast, but our technology is, you know, artificial intelligence. You tell a machine now the rules of chess, don't even give it a game, and the next day it can beat anybody on earth. That's, so what's gonna be in our future there? And someone was talking casually about, oh, 100 years, that's a long time to predict. Or someone else said, a civilization's a million years more advanced than we. A million years is nothing on this scale. A million years is only 20 minutes, right? So whatever's in front, it's gonna be amazing, and we have no idea.  That's, you got it all wrong. It's all wrong. It's gonna be something completely different. Sorry, I have to give you a different view. I think the really interesting stuff was that first 12 hours and everything else has just been elaborations. Whoa. Just saying. It's good to be a microbiologist. Yeah, the difference of opinion here is great. I'm really enjoying this. So I also wanted to open it up. I think we have time for a couple of questions. So if anyone has a question, I don't have the thing. I got a boom box here. Perfect. Paul, I wanted to know what got you into SETI, Sex Church for Extraterrestrial Intelligence three decades ago, and what your, like, the best possible outcome would be that you get to see in your lifetime, like, what do you wanna see happen? Yeah, it's only been three decades, huh? Are you, that you said? I've been doing this a couple of decades. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I think I got into, you know, when I was a kid, I was that ham thing that we used to do, and I just thought it was kind of amazing that you could transmit a few watts of power and talk to somebody halfway around the world. Electromagnetic communication really is remarkable, and when I was in college or graduate school, Frank Drake came along and gave a talk about SETI, and what I realized from that is that it's not just speculation, you can calculate things, like how much power it takes, and at that time, this was in the, in the 70s, with the Arecibo Telescope and its transmitter, that could communicate with an equivalent civilization, which as we saw is primitive to us, anywhere in the galaxy, two Arecibos with their transmitters, which has to be a conservative estimate. This just lit the fire under my tail, and I've been doing SETI ever since. What would be the best outcome? We find a signal. One more question? Hi, I have a question about detection. So we have now these new technologies, like Nanopore technologies, Nanopore sequencing, and these technologies allow us to not only sequence DNA and RNA directly, but in future there will be proteins and even like sugar molecules possible. So that is actually currently, I think the highest chance to maybe detect or sequence something which is not DNA, or like their way to DNA. So this is actually very fascinating. This is just one of many technologies of things. Are you going also like a little bit in that direction in the future? Actually, I asked Lin. Okay.  But the proteins aren't. And I think I would very much like to see that sort of thing because I think even Shrodinger pointed out life, traffics, and polymers. And that's something that most of the analytical techniques that we've been sending to space don't do. Usually it's like bake it, destroy it, and then measure it. And so you've lost all the possibility of finding these complex molecules. My lab's going a little bit different route, but I think that the Nanopore, for example, the sort of thing that you're talking about if you can be flexible enough like you can with a mass spec would be totally amazing. The other problem is actually capturing the sample and bringing it in a non-destructive way. So if you're flying by something like Enceladus at 37 kilometers per second, you're gonna destroy everything just trying to collect it.  So yes, it's a long answer. No, that's actually also like we know that the Nanopore, the BMOCO sequence has already installed in the ISS station and we have to say that it works excellent for the ISS. But that's looking at life that we already know is DNA-based. Right, exactly. Okay, great, thank you so much. Thank you everyone for coming and thank you so much panelists. Thank you. Yes, of course. It's a great matter of honor. Thank you.


You're watching News Made Easy and I'm Anandya Chakravarti and today I'm going to talk about one very simple thing which is how India's economy is actually going backward. We are being dragged back into the villages. Now what happens in any modern economy and historically has happened for the last 250-300 years across the world is that work in agriculture has reduced. The number of people are dependent on farming has reduced and people have moved from farming to factories. That is what has happened and along with that another thing has happened. Instead of casual work in which you're not certain whether you're going to get work again the next day, work has moved, jobs have moved to longer term contract. So even if it is a weekly wage or a monthly wage, there is a contract which gives a certain amount of certainty as to work that tomorrow I'm going to go back and do that same job. So these are called salary jobs or regular jobs with regular wages and that is the hallmark of any modern economy and that is what India was hoping to be right. Move from unorganized to organized employment and from agriculture to factories and to offices to service sector. But what are we seeing? What we've seen is that initially it looked like that dependence on agriculture is dropping. So if we look at the RBI's data from the 1980s, from 1980-81 if I take it to 2017-18 for which we have the latest data in 1980-81 about 70% of those who were working were dependent on agriculture. They were working in agriculture or allied services. By 2017-18 that has come down to just 42%. But has it been accompanied by more jobs? Is it that there were a lot of job opportunities growing? So people left farming which is a traditional safe habitat where people continue to work. If they don't have any work, have they moved to new jobs because there were new opportunities? No, that is not true because again if we look at RBI's own data we see the job growth in India throughout the liberalization period which began from the mid-80s sped up and accelerated as you know from 1991 the rate of job growth has actually fallen. So if I look at RBI's data and look at the annual rate of job growth throughout the 80s which is from 80-81 to 90-91 the annual rate at which jobs were growing was about 2%. In the 1990s which is 1990-91 to 2000-2001 that job growth rate dropped to 1.7%. Remember this is the beginning of the mega reforms, privatization, globalization, liberalization that is taking place and job growth has slowed down. What happens in the 2000s? You know that this is a mega growth here from 2003 to 2008. We know these were huge growth years and did that lead to higher job growth? No, between 2000-2001 and 2010-11 the rate of growth of jobs dropped to just 1.3% and what happened after that? We have 7 years of data after that RBI's assessment and RBI's estimates from 2010-11 to 2017-18 job growth was just 0.2%. So we are seeing people move out of agriculture but the overall rate at which jobs are growing is so poor that most likely many of them are falling out of the labor system altogether or are not getting regular work at all. So that is the interesting thing that we are seeing. Now that is where RBI's official data comes into place. So let us move to data from the private data collecting agency and publishing agency CMI Center for Monitoring India's Economy. And as you know, I have been using that data regularly. CMI collects employment data every week, collects and processes it and releases it. And every month it also looks at the changes by occupation, by gender, by education and publishes that as well. And what do we see in CMI's data? And this is an interesting thing that from 2016-17 when CMI started collecting data the number of jobs in India has actually dropped. It has dropped. If I take 2016-17 as 100 then it has dropped significantly by 2020-21. And this decline actually is not because of only COVID. I know you will say 2021 was COVID. We all know jobs were lost. But actually within 2 years from 2018-19 you can see it drops below that 100 level and starts dropping. And an interesting thing happens along with that. What happens? As initially as jobs decline, the share of agriculture continues to decline. As you said that RBI has also confirmed the data. But we see that till about 2018-19 the share of agriculture in that continues to drop. So if agriculture was 100 jobs in 2016-17 it continued to drop and then it takes a U-turn. It begins to rise again. It moves to 99 and then in 2021 it actually crosses that level. And this is a dangerous sign. It means that people are going back to agriculture because they don't have jobs outside agriculture. And agriculture means that this is disguised unemployment. I am going to come to that at the end of this show. But let me just compare the data for the last 2 months that has been released by CMI. And this is important because we know that there was a revival in the economy in jobs in January, February and then the second wave came in March. So March, especially April, May, June you have seen a decline and then there was a revival in July. There has been a significant revival in jobs in July. What 16 million or 1.6 crore new jobs were created in the economy in July compared to June. And where did it take place? Is it that these are good factory jobs, manufacturing jobs? No, because in manufacturing there was a drop of 7.7 lakh jobs. So even though the number of employment opportunities went up by 1.6 crore overall in factories it dropped. Look at businesses, the number of people who are doing business, that dropped by 10 lakh. 10 lakh people who were doing business moved into something else or lost that work. Salary jobs between June to July, 32 lakh less than what it was in June. So just when it was recovering in June and July it's dropped again despite the fact that the third wave is more or less old. The second wave was over in some of the key states where salaried employees actually exist and look at farming. And this is the crucial part. It was 1.6 crore additional jobs, most of them, a large chunk of it was in farming. And that means that these are not really good jobs and the break up there is very clear. The number of people who are casual workers in agriculture who don't own land, who have not gone back to their farm or just looking for some agriculture work is massive. A large number of these 1.1 to crore people are actually just casual workers. They don't have any deep root in agriculture or the village to want to go back there. And that brings me to the last point, this is nothing but distress. This is disguised unemployment. We are going back, our people are going back into the village because they have no work in urban areas. They are going back to agriculture because there is nothing else in agriculture. And let me tell you why agricultural jobs are not good. It is very simple because traditionally we know that the plot sizes are falling. The size of an agriculture plot is falling and it does not need the number of people that are working right now. Agriculture productivity in India is very poor. So if there is a family with three male adults and one woman working, chances are that plot only requires two people. But all four are working right now because they have no other way to go. They have no other work. So when a survey is done, when they are asked what do they do? They say, we do agriculture, we are farmers. All of them say we are farmers, we do agriculture. But in reality only two of them are required. The other two are actually unemployed. That unemployment is disguised. This is distress. This is not something that people want to do. They are going there despite poor and very low wages, despite the fact that agriculture is tough. They are going back there because they have nowhere else to go. Because India's economy is going backward. That is the show today. Keep watching NewsClick.


to another episode of Bunkin' Play. Hey, we got a legend in the motherfuckin' beard, man. We got Mad Max. I got eight bucks. That's it. That's what you got. We really don't care. Appreciate y'all. We a Florida boy, man. That's right. Appreciate you for having me here, man. Thank you, man. But then I'm right. Call me Mad Max. Yeah, that's what you want to go by anyway, huh? Yeah, don't bother about it. Yeah, don't bother about it. Not just Mad Max. Yeah, I'm like, that's me. Yeah, man, that's what's up, man. Tell us, man, what's going on with you now? We see you got your podcast going on. Yeah, I got the Maxed Out podcast. Hopefully, getting ready to start back here in the next month or so. For sure. And I got my LLC, The Mental Health. How is it going? It's going wonderful. I just did some symptom and symposium speech and had a platform. Well, I had some powerful guys up there speaking and on my behalf and just about mental health and Ron, our test was there with me. And I had him up on the stage with us.  So, you know, that's powerful, you know, just to be up there talking about that. Yeah, just to let everybody know it's OK. You know, it's OK, you know, to ask for help if you need help. For sure. That's all. And then in the black community, that's what we lack at.   And leave it at that. But sometimes, Nick, you want to vent. Sometimes you don't got nobody to talk to. So it's all that done bored inside. And now we unleash it. Now I'm mad mad. Right, there you go. And that's how it builds up. And that's what it ends up to be.  Man, shout out for you even thinking about doing that. A lot of people don't think about reaching back and giving people old platforms where they safe to come talk to. OK, that's what I'm about. Yeah, so now you doing the right thing. But then in that, too, you know, I got my boys, you know, you know, one at Hampton and one in high school at North Mac High School, 18th in the nation high school. And my man Tristan Maxwell at Hampton getting ready to do his thing. So y'all pay attention to this motherfucker too now.  He on the way. Oh, yeah, you got them right. He got a shot. What year is he at Hampton? He's a senior. He got one more year left, though. He got he got two years left. Because of COVID situation? Yeah, when COVID came in 2020. So he got the COVID year. So but yeah. And then my young killer, two nights, named Vernon Maxwell, the third.  He just be wanting to call Trey.   Trey, shout out to Trey. All right, Trey. Yeah, but yeah, but other than that, man, that's all I'm doing, man. I'd love to play golf, you know. I love doing what I'm doing right here with you all. So that's what I'm about, man. So look, how the family games be like y'all, you know what I mean? Y'all be playing like horse or a jet playing, you know.  One on one.    Oh man, but these motherfuckers really can shoot it. These motherfuckers, some jump-shoot motherfuckers. You know, it's just in D and A, man. Yeah.  You just got to make sure you bring it out these motherfuckers. But if you bring it out of man, like I did these two jump-shoot motherfuckers, they jump-shoot motherfuckers. But see, you got dog and you too. So can you teach, you can't really teach that dog. Do they automatically got that dog in the dog?     Nigga, you hear what I'm saying? So I used to miss males when I came up, you know, not all the time. Now, ma, I'm just bullshitting. I don't get mad, I don't get mad.  Don't be talking about it.   I miss males. And so, and my boys right here, these niggas, you know, they pampered. You know, these kids come up today. We try to, you know, fill it in the void of what we didn't have when we was coming in with our kids. You know, we don't want them to motherfuckers to go through what we went through.  So then, and it makes, and it really kills these motherfuckers. You know what I mean? But you know what I mean?  Well, come on, man. Like we, that's what I'm saying. That's the thing I'm talking about. But other than that, man, I think everybody's going to be successful, man. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Cause they got all Mad Max, the dad in it. Let's show. How you get the name Mad Max? Man, you know how they got them white folks too, man. You know what I mean?  Nah, man. You know, that's like, that's it. Like modern day slavery. Nah, I'm just kidding.  Really, man.    That's what they ran with.  But still, my name got changed from Vernon Maxwell to Mad Max when I played ball, because I guess it was the way I played too.   Right. If I played any other motherfucking way, like you said, like Kenny, you work with Kenny and Kenny done told all the story. Yeah.   I probably wouldn't have made it. Yeah. So I had to play that way. That's the only way I knew how to play. Shout out to Sugar Hill, Gainesville, Florida. For sure. For sure. They know, we read, you were nice in football too though. Yeah. Oh yeah.  So you think it was from the football aggression that, you know, it probably translated to the best ball quarter. You, it don't matter what you would have played, you would have been like that in golf. You were a golfer. Yeah. You can't be doing all that in golf. No, you got to get there and have some etiquette. In golf, you can't just go crazy.  You got to be, it's not good. Yeah, yeah.  So I'd be a little reserved and everybody would be like, damn, boy, you play golf? Not damn. Yeah, I play golf all the time. That's what I do all the time. But I mean, I'm sorry. What was my question again? Oh, did the football, like you playing football translate to over in the basketball? Like you was going to look had more aggression. Sometimes I think about it. I think I should have probably played football because I would have made it to then. I feel I know I would have. Because of the way I play basketball. Right. Because I know I was a little too more aggressive. Like you were looking at me. Like even the sauce. I was like, yeah. Not really. Now there's a lot of hard motherfuckers in the NBA, though, when I played, when I came up, when I came up.  Early 90s.   You know what I mean? When it came to that part and and that's what separated me.    We had a back back. I had two. What transpired? That's what I'm talking about. So you got 20 something. How you got to look at it? You got a thing. I said. What's up? It's your boy, Nav Green back at it again. You know what I'm here talking about? Prize pigs with a new logo and all. We also bring in my promo code back. So all first time users that deposit and use the promo code will receive 100% instant. The positive match up to $100. Man, if you put down $81, they gonna match $81. If you put up $42, they gonna match $42. It don't matter what you put up, they gonna match it. It's available in over 30 states. What are you waiting for? Go ahead over the prize pigs right now by tapping the link below and tell them broken play sent you use the code broken play. That's what we here for. I want you to make money while we making money. So we can make money together. Use the promo code broken play, broken play. And drink 42 with your boy. This your boy, Nav Green. Shout out to Prize Pigs. So, you know what I mean? But yeah, man, it was just the mindset, man. And I just I love play though. And I just I just for sure that's where I compete. Who's some of your favorite teammates you done played with all time? Oh, man. I got so many up, man.   Chris Webber, White Chocolate, Jason Wallace, Williamson, Gary Payton, Ven Baker, man, 42. Yeah, yeah, shit, man. So many of these motherfuckers. Man, you done seen you done seen some of the best players to play with some of the best players?  Steve Nash, yeah.  And all of them was good team, man. Oh, man, yeah, all this motherfuckers was cool.  It was so many guys.  I mean, I keep going on and on. That was Gary Trent. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, and his son in the lead, though.  How'd that make you feel when you see players you play against, see their sons in the lead? Man, it makes me feel good.  Let's get us some goddamn money. So I don't know why I don't want to get some goddamn bread. They want to have that son playing right now. Damn right. That's right. Let's do this. You play with Clyde. Yeah, I play with Clyde for a second. Yeah, yeah. Nigga, if he ain't named me, he probably want a good team, man. No, man. OK, let me go back to that. Clyde, good goddamn Clyde, Drexler. Great team, man. You got a ring with Clyde. Yeah, one year I played with Clyde. Clyde was a great teammate. Yes, yes, he was. Yeah, yeah. Because I swore I had a ring with him. Heavy on NBA Jam back in the day, man. Vernon, Clyde, and Elijah one. That was the squad.  See, a lot of niggas don't know. A lot of niggas don't know. Back then, NBA Jam, you only could play with three players. That's it. I only got them five-on-five or something, too.  Whoever they give you. They'll motherfuckin' get on fire, too. That's what you want. Man's on fire. That's what I'm trying to tell you. That's what real got there. You gotta know. Yes, sir. That's right. I loved it.  You know, a lot of people say they go train with him. He teach him footwork, but like, as far as just him, like, how was he like a person when you, when you played with him? Like, he was cool to hang with? Oh, man, yeah. He's a great person, man. Our dream, you know, it was different. You know what I mean?  Okay.  Every time somebody get by, he gonna be blocking. Never got nothing. Yeah.  But, um, great teammate, man. Um, um, and then when he became Muslim, that's when it became even better. You know what I mean? So, you know what I mean? He got more humbling and more quieter, you know, and he used to always tell us this was his thing, give me the ball. Give me the ball. Yeah.  And then when he became, we just know to get to it. Yeah. Like it was no question. We feed off of him. We used to do with. We had. Throw it into him. Had oldest thought. My home boy. Shout out to oldest thought. What's up, baby boy? You know, I love you. Appreciate you coming to my golf tournament on September 22. Got a shot at the oldest thought. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But, um, yeah. But, um, yeah. But, um, we had oldest thoughts, crashing the board, getting the dream, oldest get, um, dream enough space to operate. We got either Kenny, myself, Robert Horry. We got either Sam. He forgot about Sam. Mario, Ellie. We got the kids to death coming off the bench. Shout out to my boy, Mario.  What up, Matt? Uh, yeah.  We couldn't. Yeah. Everybody around dream was three-point shooters. Except, like, oldest. Oldest was the Bruiser, you know what I mean? It was, we had been together so long and we had knew we was going, man, we started a damn season 23-1, man. Yeah. So, y'all knew, like, it had the championship feel way before it got, y'all just ready to get there.    Nah, he was quiet. Dream was quiet.  What can't you say? I'm hitting him with the lateral movement. He said, he said he'd take his mouthpiece out and say, I'm hitting him with the lateral movement. Nah, I'm telling you. Nah, he really didn't say a lot, man.  Greatest player I've played with. For sure. I mean, just what he used to do. Hey, you know, he'll get a lot of credit though, you know, when they named the top, the top players. Yeah, yeah. He was such, he was such, he became so humble, man. Yeah. And that's the way he is, man. He don't really care about that, man. That man got so much motherfucking money. For sure. That man got down. They like to bring shrug up that bubble. That man had a beep, beep, beep, beep. That motherfucker, he got that dream. Hey, my boy dream.  We know that. He owned down there half a downtown Houston, Texas. Yeah. Hey, how was that? Like in that Houston era though? Like, you know what I'm saying? When y'all playing and stuff like, you know, this before screwed up music and all that. Like what was the feeling Houston? Well, it was at first when I got that motherfucking, 1980, 990.    And then Don Cheney was really the one. See, everybody think Rudy T bought me and two other rockers, but Don Cheney, the black man, the black coast man, Don shot up Don Cheney. Because that changed my whole career, man.  I mean, God damn. Keep it real, man. Nah, yeah, that motherfucker, he was general manager at the time. But I'm going to say it was out there. Shit. But thank you, San Antonio, for drafting me. Worried about it. Shit.  You know, I got caught up in all that drugs, Canada and Florida. So I got. Well, yeah, real nigga bounce back. Yeah. And I had to climb all the way up to the ladder again to get back to where I was at. So put up with the shot of the pop. Y'all drive to me, gave me a chance.  Then Don Cheney traded for me over to Houston. And he really gave me a chance. Because he was like, motherfucker, I'm putting them put you in the start lineup. They had a Mitchell Wiggins dad. I mean, Aaron Wiggins. What's his name? Andrew Wiggins dad. Andrew Wiggins dad in the lineup. They had Andrew Wiggins dad in the lineup. So it was like, yo, man, I'm from the goddamn Swiss. I put you in, you know, let you start. You want to do that?  That's what I'm here for. Coach, put me in this lineup, man. Put me in that lineup. Yeah. So he put me in the lineup. That's when I took off from there, man. After that, man. I ain't look bad. But see, that's what it's about. Like when you get that opportunity to eat. The fit, it'd be that fit, man.  And unfortunately, when I left, San Antonio, I'm not talking about San Antonio. San Antonio is a great place. And I swear to God, they drive to me.  But when I got to, when I got to them Houston, when I had them damn handcuffs taken off me, man, when I got them be and be who I want to be, man. It's like the way I want, man. I swear to God, I've flourished, man. I took off, man. And that's what it's about, man. It'll be about the fit, man. A lot of these kids, a lot of these guys, they go places, man.  And they trying to groom them.  No, they really ain't going to get a fair shot, either. Because these motherfuckers, these veterans, they can help you.  But they don't, like, when the popcorn starts popping, that motherfucking stand gets filled up. He going to be sitting over there. That nigga going to be out there. Because, you know, that veteran, they going to play that nigga, that veteran. Right. So what I'm just saying, it's just, it's about the fit, man. You got to, you got to get, like, to a place where you can and to a lot of these guys defend. So a lot of these guys, when they come out of college, they got this, it's just be, they go to, like, veteran teams and, you know, and ain't no chance these motherfuckers. That's why I'm glad they got to Glee.  So these guys don't just lose confidence. They can go down there and bust some motherfuckers.  That should have started affecting your mental health. No, it does, man.    No, I'm not going to send you down here.    Oh, he hard too? Yeah. Yeah. I know he made by 1.5. Yeah. You know, 1.4 somewhere around there. Yeah.   It's still going, that's what it used to be. No, no, no, no, no, that's what I've been ready to say.  Niggas want to get money right here. Money is money, yeah, money is money, yeah. But I mean, overseas is good money too. Now, like he just said, now, not knocking overseas. Ain't none like the league, though. Yeah. Being over here close to niggas, you know, and then it costs more to fly them out over there.  Give it a read. Yeah, that's right. No, but read. Hey, so look, tell us this, man, who's some of the players that you look at now? Like, you know how the NBA is now that you look at, like, I like his game. I like LeBron. I mean, I like so many of these guys. I like LeBron. I like... So look, it's a lot. A lot of people debate this. Could LeBron have survived in your area? Oh, yeah, of course. Easily. Thank you, man. That's all. Why are you out there like me being saying he wouldn't? Easily. He's 6'8", he's 7'8". Easily. What a bad one or better ones too? Yeah. It's a mad master tier, y'all niggas. They ain't want to listen to me. They ain't want to listen to me. They ain't want to listen to me. They ain't want to listen to me. They ain't want to listen to me. Yeah, but still, though, you got to understand that Gert, he got... He's so big and he's so... See, that's Gert. Come on. Come on. Come on. He's going to get down. Nah, he's an OG. He's going to run. He's going to run through your blood, brother.  You know, like LeBron, I couldn't... I couldn't... I can't go out of LeBron.  Shit, no. How can that guy just back up? Let him shoot. No, man. That man can shoot, too. I mean, I can't do that. Tell him when you start looking.  Oh, look at him. Oh, man. Oh, before he saw Luke, he thought he could do... Yo, that motherfucker... I was a little kid.  That boy big as hell, man. It was like, Goddamn. He don't... How tall he is? Six, eight, six million? I don't know. Luke might be six, eight. Yeah, I think he about six, eight, man. You got to see the size, though. His size. Yeah. You got to see how big he is, though. He's like... Is he wild? Yeah. He got to be about 220. Yeah. 218. He's a big old dude, man. Yeah. Oh, my God. He got some size on him. This kid's big nowadays, but I don't have... I don't struggle in this motherfucker.  Nigga Wings. Nigga Wings. Nigga Wings. Yeah. I said they draft length. Right.   No, for sure.  They want them niggas on. They want them niggas on. So, but that's what they looking for. But no, I love the NBA, but there's so many guys that I... I mean, I will be talking like once again all night, all day about who I like in the NBA. I mean, I miss a lot of motherfuckers. Like, I love Jimmy Butler. You know, I... He got dog in him, huh? Man, yeah, man.  Yeah. You know what I mean? That's what he is. And there's so many of these motherfuckers. I mean, I... Joel and Bigs. I mean, there's so many guys. I can keep going on and on. What you doing with that first chick you got? I mean, bought some dope. I was... I was... I love this talk. Just kidding. Flipped some dope. I was... We back, baby! Oh, kids. Yes, though. Got to double that money. They didn't give us nothing back then, boy. I had a goddamn... I told y'all how low I went. They could lead a game right in the trap. I had to flip that money. Flipped him. For sure. Yeah. I did something for my mom. Man, respect that. Put my mom's in a crib. I had to flip that money. How the family life was then? For you, you were the first one to make it. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Really out of Gainesville. Well, where the area you was at? Gainesville, Florida. There really wasn't nobody. Well, I mean, after me, you got Clinton Porter. Yeah, uh-huh. You got... Shit. I mean, I don't want to miss nobody.  I'm so hyped. This motherfucker ratting him. Oh, man. I forget. Clinton Porter's... Shit, Gainesville. What? Trey Man. Right now. Clinton Porter. Trey Man's from Gainesville. Yeah. I didn't know that. Trey... Trey Man got a game. He might be... Trey Man, yeah. Oh, the star. Yeah, the guy. Oh, I know. Trey Man. Trey Man. Trey got a game. Yeah, Trey Man. He went to the University of Florida again. Trey Man. Shit, it's some motherfuckers. I mean, so many of us, man. I'm sorry, homeboys.  Nah, it is. There's a lot of mess in Gainesville, though. Did you think about any other colleges you knew automatically? No, no, no. I was going to go to... You know, North Carolina State had just won the National Championship in 1983. I got my 84. So, you know, Jim Vibrano, God bless him. You know, he was... He recruited me real tough. He was out of North Carolina State. And Florida. But my whole country asked.  You country? Yeah. It was crazy. Gainesville, Florida. Yeah. You know where the Gainesville is? I never been there. Oh, my goodness, man. You know where the Gainesville is. I was saying no reason to go there. What? I'm going to be bad for it today. Yeah, the mama there. Yeah, the mama there.  Yes, it was back in the day. It was bad. So, you know, and I was from Gainesville and I never had been nowhere really.  They had just won the National Championship in 1983.  Pulling the weeds. I ain't even in class. They tell me, yo, nigga.  Come tell me, nigga. Hey, tell me what's going on up there. Niggas, why I'm down here blowing in the trees.   I'm going to run in your class. He coming to your class. So, I run up to motherfucker and then that's how hard he was after me. He stayed in Gainesville. Yeah. So, University of Florida, Monty Tau, he hid me. Coach Tau, you know what I'm talking about. He hid me from that. He hid me from the North Carolina State for like a month. Like, like he just hid me. And, and then, so, because I, and then I ended up long story short.  I'm a country boy. I'm a country boy. I ain't been no goddamn way. Right. I don't, you know, well, mama don't let her go nowhere too tough.  I got in that motherfucker and got out of the plane.     I ain't seen the cameras or nothing. You went back.  Yeah, I got damn, no, I went on, I went and, I went and visited that. Okay. I went on the campus and visited that.   I ain't finna be this far away from my mama. But it was too much turbulence or something on the plane.     What?     So I know them motherfuckers have to drive back and forth. I ain't going to be coming to them again. I'm like, God damn, we're here.  But I swear to God, the visit was one of the best visits I have.  Hell yeah. They say you get six visits. I took all six of them motherfuckers. I took six in football and I took six in basketball. I miss school.   You knew you was out of there? Yeah, I was going. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But then I damn. Jim Vaughn, he put on a show for me.  God bless him. He's a great man, man. Everything they say about it is the truth. I mean, with that Kansas, I mean, I'm sorry that. I mean, I was a great man.  What he did for me, I said, it was crazy. Hell, motherfuckers have the cheerleaders, the band. They had a crowd in that motherfucker. They had black motherfuckers. And you still like, why not? Eight thousand motherfuckers. Can't do it.   Can't you still touch your heart to this day? I really wanted to play with the motherfuckers cause they had a good squad in Florida. I know they motherfuckers rebuilding.   I'm comfortable.  But yeah, I had to stay close to her. But that was one of the best of his ever, man. And then meeting his family and stuff like that. And I'd never ate a steak that big. Well, he fed me. That's the first time I ever stayed bigger than the plate.    Shit, Florida. When I got back, what I had said, they asked me what I was going to do.    I said, mom, don't worry about it. I ain't going to sign nothing. And then when I left North Carolina State, they asked me what I wanted to do. So I verbally committed to that. With the busy fall season already in swing, you might be looking for a wholesome, convenient meals for jam-packed days. Damn. Fact now. America's number one ready-to-eat meal kit can help you fuel up fast with chef-prepared, dietitian-approved, ready-to-eat meals delivered straight to your door. Hold on. Wait one minute. One more minute. You'll save time, eat well, and stay on track with your healthy lifestyle. Man, this is good. Too busy. 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I said, I ain't doing nothing, mom. What you talking about just saying that I was gonna go somewhere?   We had, we had with Florida, we had a business deal going on with Florida. For sure. So we had to make sure we get this business deal done with Florida, you know, with this motherfucking.  There it goes. That's all I said. We had to get this motherfucking biz-ack, we had to get the bag. Yeah, what's up? Yeah.  Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's all I'm saying. Yeah. And back then motherfuckers wasn't really getting that bag. No, in fact, the ladies held on. I was Mr. basketball in the state of Florida too, so come back and basketball. So I was the number one player in the state, you know.  Oh, Mitch Richmond wins the Sacramento. Killer, man, killer. Ain't no heel from Florida, though. Yeah, yeah, down in the South. Damn. Yeah, so, but yeah, but Mr. basketball, so wherever I was going to go, they had to pay my mom. Yeah, for sure.  I had to give me too. Hey, so look, that was with basketball. If you would have stayed with football, what school you were looking at then? I probably went to the Gators. You went to the Gators? Oh, okay. They wanted me to play both ways. Was Emmett there when? Yeah, Emmett was there. He came there when I was a rising junior. He was a freshman. They wanted me, they wanted me to play when I was there. They wanted, they asked, they kept asking me to play. They wanted me to, I was a corner. He was a corner. Corner. I was a corner. Yeah, I was a corner. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Number one football player. Yeah. Damn.  Charlie Ward. Them boys younger than me, though. Charlie Ward. Yeah, Charlie Ward came after him. Yeah, yeah. Deion, Deion, Deion. He ain't done George the Florida line. Yeah, Deion, them younger than me. All them boys younger than me. What you think, how you feel about what he doing that?   You move around better than some niggas 30. I keep myself some shade. I thought I got this damn knee done. I'm perfect now. You just brought up, Deion, how you feel about what he doing in Colorado? Man, I love Deion.  He's just blessed. That's what he do. Yeah. You know, he always get people to buy into what he's about. For sure. Because nigga, I watch every Colorado game, nigga. I mean, everybody. I mean, everybody do. Yeah. The only one. You ain't the only one of my peoples. We all do. We ain't ain't no college football player. When they get about a week, they be like, Well, man. Yeah, I got that, my homeboy. We got that.  Yeah. But that, that ain't nothing to watch. Colorado ain't playing at once. For sure. I'm at 12. Damn. So you being at them number one football player at the time, you, what made you choose basketball though? Well, I was one of them.  I was a motherfucker. Covered out of high school, 6'4". Mother fucker, 145 pounds. Oh. 6'4". A corner? Shit. That's different. 145, I would add in fifth grade. I had 16. I had 16 picks though. One season? Yeah. Nigga. Hey, what don't y'all nigga be doing? Right, right, right. Stop. Throw this way. You couldn't throw that way. Throw this way.  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I was 4'2", 40. What? Yeah. Nigga. That's fast. That's late. He's fast. What? I was 4'2", 40. I was punt return. That Florida's been different. Anyway. Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's the new water right now. That's why it's the new water right now.  That's going too far. He gotta be talking about one of the best athlete conversations, bro, like that's great. Yeah, oh yeah. Dying in Florida. Like your name needs to come up with one of the best athletes. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Me, Dying in Florida.  And no disrespect to all my homies. Y'all know who y'all are though. But this year, we all, it's a bunch of us. Yeah. They did both sports, didn't they? At a high level. At a high level. Nigga, 16 picks. That's crazy. Nigga. Oh yeah. My senior year, 16 picks. Yeah. Do you know football baseball? I did when I was younger though.     My folks get paid like out there. Nigga, as fast as you are? I know it. That's what I'm saying. They didn't put you in the still of base. Yeah, that's it. Making a million in the still of base. That's it. Yeah. You're lazy. I know y'all ain't finna throw them out. Mm-mm.    You know what I'm saying? Yeah, like that was just like the norm down there at the time. We ain't had no motherfuckers teach you how to run back then. Yeah. You know, these motherfuckers got. Man, they getting trained and stuff. How did you know that? Just my fuckers, the motherfuckers know how to run through the wind. Them motherfuckers got there. Them motherfuckers be treading that wind. Them motherfuckers. Hey, that wind blowing on us. Man, these motherfuckers had them motherfuckers. We was running wild. Like, we're swimming and shit, but we're still running, folks, too. This thing, we knew how to run. And we had trained teachers how to run. This is real, man. I'm just saying, it's just real, man.  No, for sure. That's what it is for. We got to have that clip.  I mean, as far as what we're saying, talk to me.  Like, you ain't one of them.  Yeah, yeah. Well, a lot of motherfuckers don't play with me. Yeah, I don't do a lot of plans. I don't really know a lot of motherfuckers either. Yeah. So, you don't know me, motherfuckers. Don't play with me. Right. Straight up.  No, I'm on my mama. Gracie Mae Maxwell. Yeah.  I believe every motherfucking word.  All the motherfuckers. Kenny, Sam, I'm telling all you motherfuckers. Kenny, Sam, Mario.  Shit, I had all the motherfuckers.   But all the motherfuckers, we as a party like a rockstar. Anytime you get a drinking, the nigga starts seemin' cooler anyway then.  The niggas be forgettin', man.   We always married and shit, but we wasn't doing nothin' extra now. We was just, none of that.    None of us, nah. We wasn't cheatin'. Oh, nah, I know that.  We already know that.   And for the fuckin' hotel we walk in, and they try to keep it discreet and shit, right where we was gonna be staying. But they find out.  We comin' through that motherfucker like we goddamn in the White House. Wait a minute. I see you, girl.  You stay right there. I'll come back and get a drink with you. Hey, baby. What's up? How y'all doing? This is crazy, man. It's like a rockstar. Because you was like notable, though. Like, you were like, yeah.  But you know how sometimes we were talking about like when we see football players, you know them by their jerse, but once them niggas take their helm and all, you don't know who they is. You don't know the fuckin' who they is. Right, right, right. So it's like a different like notoriety, like with you playin' basketball and there's football. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But see, I go both, you know, I grow my hair.  So I, you know, I'm just glad I'm able to grow up here. Yeah, because a lot of niggas, who can't do that shit? Yeah, 58.   Just let niggas know that's what I can do.  Yeah, that's it.  Yeah, that's something.  I like that.  Yeah, yeah, yeah, you are. No, bro, that take off about 20 years on you. Like, you look like you're in your 30s. Oh, yeah, well, oh, boy, I got that, man. Hey, you ain't gotta hit Magic City for your league. Niggas, oh, boy, hey, nah. I got...  Oh, lord, yeah. Oh, lord. He's throwin' itch in his crush. No. How do you think social media would affect your time period? Man, I would've been, like, suspended, ticked out to leave.    Niggas, I couldn't have...  I would've wish I'd got these checks. Yeah. But goddamn, boy, social media, boy, I wouldn't have made it, nigga.  I'm sorry, I'm sorry. Oh, yeah. I was everywhere. Man, I was... I was... Oh, my goodness. You would've made Shane room so much. Oh, my goodness, man.   That's what it's called? Oh, yeah, yeah. Man, I was standin' on that motherfucker.  Yeah, it could. Don't even be you. It'd be other folks. Yeah. You see what I'm sayin'?  What you would've said, like, nigga, like, you...      And get that nigga the money for that phone, man.  At least you payin' them. Tell that nigga, huh? He go $1,500.   Listen. Got that right. Got that? I don't let the motherfuckers record you, y'all. Thank you. I'm talkin' about that nigga, man.  I said it never came out, my nigga.  You ain't gotta start havin' NDA with niggas round them, too. Right, right. Bruh, cause it don't... These niggas be more groupies than the women. Don't take my niggas, that's what they do nowadays. They used to be, back in my days, the women. Yeah. They used to be niggas. These niggas be stoppin' the women from getting drunk. Y'all tell the niggas, man.  Yes, nigga. Get out the way. What that goddamn song is it say?  Get out the way.   Hey, so you got to see Mike in his prime. Oh, my goodness. How was that? Watchin' Michael Jordan. Well, goddamn movin'. Really? Motherfuckers and... Rated X.   Boy, goddamn, I'd never seen no motherfucker like that till I played against that motherfucker. Cause he was everything, they said he was. Yeah. You know?  I think it was more than what they said he was.     I got to deal with that motherfucker. That motherfucker, God, hear him true. Yeah. That motherfucker, Black Jesus. No questions asked. We used to call him Black Jesus. Black Jesus. What was the first matchup like? It was like everything I thought it would be.   Play defense. Yeah, I mean, they can play good defense. They say this motherfucker, they say Mike play good defense.  And that's what I used to do too. Dream, I'm sorry, this motherfucker just went at me. Shit, I'm gonna go at him.  Yeah, for sure. And getting there too. So I was doing him like that. It was the competitive. Yeah, yeah. We was goddamn going back and forth. They won.    At all the times. With the Rockets. Yeah, with the Rockets, man.  We're beating their ass, man.     For real?  Nigga, imagine losing a Nigga Pope bill. That's what it's going to be doing. Yeah, no, you might get that done too, but when you're winning, for real. Oh yeah, you already know the run like this.   Hey, I'm going to tell you this real quick. I was watching Winning Time. I don't know if you see that on HBO, they been talking about the series between like Boston and the Lakers.    You ain't no boss with them motherfuckers racing right now today. They still today. But how it was like this? No, it was crazy. Now, just think if it's still today, it's reckonable. Just think that it was back then. What I said was horrible. You know what, imagine them, the motherfuckers just got to go down in their motherfucker man and play in the wintertime, man.   It's so goddamn cold. They got to keep on them goddamn shirlings they had on. Yo, I'm on everything I love. You know, this nigga's goddamn.  And so I done seen it done to us before too, you know, so. But man, it was different over there, man.  Right, for sure, regardless.   And they feel like they got the money you plan for them. Yeah, but the motherfuckers, they got your hot number.  And then, nigga, what you going to do? Nigga, all the white folk, you up there.  White folk beat breaks off you up there. Especially when they got about 60 or so. They say they got some beautiful women up there, them Kate Verdean girls. No case. See, that man, nobody. Yeah. Now they never heard about that. See, all they never heard about that. I only been to Boston one time. Crazy. Yeah, I've been to Boston one time. Now they say them girls are like French and African. In Boston, real international. Yeah, they are. Yeah, that's right. They sit and close down early, too, though. Yeah, yeah. They sit and don't stay open late. When I was there one time, they were like, I was like, what's the spot? They were like, everything closed here like at one.  Oh, yeah?     Yes, my nigga, I love Paul Pierce. Shout out to Paul Pierce. Shout out to Paul Pierce. The truth.  That's why my nigga love all my young boys, man. Hey, you got to play against Jordan and his prime, but you saw early Kobe before they went on. As they was going on that run, what did you think in comparison of Jordan and Kobe? What did you think about Kobe game?  Great man, great husband. I mean, great father.  I saw him playing in high school. He came and played against us in Philly. Well, John Lucas invited him over there.  I was telling him, boy, you ready? You better come on. Got there, boy. You got there, you ready to go, man. There's an open run, like y'all just hooping or something? Yes, he was in high school. He was at Lord Marion, and John Lucas used to bring him over all the time when I was with the Sixers and to play with us.  That motherfucker used to go at me and stack. For real? Shit, yeah, man, that motherfucker's in there.  Yeah, yeah, yeah. That motherfucker's just a kill, kill, kill. You know, and that's why he was in- So, it was in high school then? Yes, man, he was a killer.    That motherfucker, and then he's, then when he got to the lead and shit, and then Michael became like a mentor.  This baby Mike is motherfucker Mike. This motherfucker baby Mike, man. Yeah, damn, man, Kobe was a bad motherfucker, man. Goddamn, man, I was just happy to see the man, and it was sad what happened, you know, unfortunately, but man, don't wanna talk about that. Just talk about a good coach, got the good stuff, and the family, and, but a great kid, man.  So you knew, you knew like when John Lucas was bringing him over to play against you, like, cause he doing, y'all in the NBA.    Yeah, nigga, he would have terrorized the leagues.  So he came out on the league. Yeah, but shit, he was tough, he was tough. He was one, oh my goodness, yeah. That was a nightmare too. Yeah.  You having Jordan flashbacks guarding Kobe a little bit, like a little, yeah, well, I never really, I got a little bit of, I didn't really get that killer Kobe. Right, he was young. You know, he was really young, he was young. They had just started going around.  I ain't mean to talk about Kobe, cause I don't even want to do that, man, Kobe.  Yeah, I love you too much, but yeah, I mean, I, you know, he was young, he was still like coming of age. Yeah, he was playing behind guys over there with the Lakers when he first come in, you know, he wasn't came right in starting. So, you know, and then, you know, so, but you're not, I love that man. Yeah, for sure. For sure.  No, no, no.   We ain't got no jurors on nigga. Yeah. And I ain't got one on either. Yeah.  Yeah, yeah, nigga, that shit's over there, nigga.  Cause I say, I got them ready to fight Mike out there in the game and Mike say, God damn, Kenny, what's up? This motherfucker, this nigga kind of crazy. This motherfucker off, man. This motherfucker, what's going on with this nigga? This nigga want to fight me. The whole goddamn game.  They asked me to sign this shit, man.  This nigga's crazy for real, man. So, yeah, man. But he was just like, when he got there, when the clock went, yeah, we family, man. We in the same goddamn fraternity. Nigga went to the NBA. That nigga might start bringing the ball up on the other side. Yeah, nigga, we in the NBA. Nigga, we all both made it.  Nigga, we just competing, nigga. His son had a booze gear.    Hit him right there. Hit him everywhere. Hit him up. Now, I know Kenny always bring up, because y'all won back to back when he left. When he left. And then he came back only like 17 games and y'all beat the magic who they lost to. Now, do you feel like, I know what you're going to say, but if Mike was there for the full season, y'all probably would have saw them in the finals, I would think.  I mean, I mean, I'm just saying, I don't know, man.  Okay, but goddamn it.  I'm looking at all goddamn, what are these cameras at? What am I looking at? They all run. I'm looking at all these motherfuckers.   They would have lost us, goddamn it. He would have been 61. Man, they got that right. They had this, they ain't hand nobody. I mean, go through the lineup. Go through the lineup. I understand that. Shit, we had motherfuckers goddamn, big African back there blocking up everything. Blocking everything. Mike's come through there. They wouldn't have nobody for a king though.  Goddamn, caught right. And goddamn, my homeboy will produce. Yeah. Well, who's lonely out here? Nah, yeah. Well, he's not out. I was just saying. But he's away. So, man, the motherfuckers getting raped, man. That's how we used to beat them. Because they ain't had nobody stop dreaming.  Bro, you know how Niggas playing down. He was playing like that. That back in the day, that's what I'm trying to tell you.   I don't know, Google it. Shit, I don't know. But when y'all played the, y'all played the Knicks. When y'all played the Knicks, y'all went to game seven. Yeah. Right? Eastern Conference Finals, the Bulls went to game seven against the Knicks without Mike as well. So, imagine Mike was there in the finals. I think it would have been a little different for sure. That's all I got to say. Man, you used to be with them there. I'm not playing, man. You know I'm playing. You know I'm playing. You know I'm playing. You know I'm playing. You know I'm playing. I know this nigga.     He got a computer right there. Google it. I'm a Bulls fan. I'll Google it. God, God, man, I can tell. I can't keep hearing this nigga saying this to him. Nah, nah, nah. He asked you a question. You said you'd answer. Now he gone. Yeah. Now he gone. How about something? What did we do with my peoples? God damn. Nah, for sure, man. Come on, man. I think it would have been good series, man. It went better than that Magic series. Yeah, that's right, yeah. Swap them off.  We got us a basketball. We want you to sign that motherfucker, man. Put your signature on there. Come on, my peoples. Gotta do it. Nah, for sure. Oh yeah, we got some memorabilum now.  What we got, though? Memorabilum. Memorabilum. Yeah, that's it.  Hey, well, they know who signed them gloves right now.  But look down there and don't sit next to them.  Oh, that's my guy right there. Yeah, so we got G.F.T. Now we got this. All right. Hey, that shit, I want nothing to win out here, man.    He done all that fun. Right here. Come up and tuck him back. He ain't control the ball, nigga. Don't let the ball control you. Nah, man. We appreciate you wishing me anything. You gotta say what you did, man. Nah, man. Just, hey, I got my golf line coming out. Okay, I got an app coming out of my golf line, Vernon Maxwell Golf Line, the Vernon Maxwell Initiative, LLC Mental Health. I got that going. The Maxed Out podcast coming back to you in the near future, real soon. For a show? What else came? That's it. Hey, tell me your social media. Oh, yeah.  Vernon Maxwell 11, Twitter. Hey, what happened with that? He burned mine. Maxed with it. He was on that? No, you'll see. You'll see my damn picture, all right?  You see me?  No, man. It's nothing but salute, man. We're a wish to all that, man. Shout out to Vernon. Max, Max, Maxwell. Pushing up on us, man. No doubt, man. Y'all following? Goddamn broken play, man.  Man, for shows, man. I appreciate y'all. Man, we appreciate you coming through. Great questions. It was crying, bro. Yeah, for show. Beside that shit, he was doing.  Yeah, man.  Man, let me get from beside this. Y'all keep tuning in to Broken Play. Oh, man. That was funny, man. I was crying, man. Man, I appreciate you, man. Oh, my God. For real. No more respect.


Okay, I guess you're over me. Bye. Good morning, guys. Welcome to my winter break morning routine. My phone is going off because my group message is going crazy right now. I am home for the holidays. It is December 26th. Oh my gosh. This is my sister's dog, Kobe. Hi. Okay, bye. Okay, no, okay. Seriously. He really likes cuddling. Okay, seriously, Kobe. Oh my gosh. Oh, you literally just attacked me on camera. I have proof. This video is a collab with Molly, my best friend. So if you guys want to go check out the video on her channel, she is also doing a winter break morning routine. So I will have that linked down below. You guys can subscribe to her channel. And if you guys are new here, be sure to subscribe to mine. I love winter break. So on today's agenda, I'm just going to, I need to upload a video. I need to film some videos, maybe edit. I think I'm gonna hang out with friends later and go work out and stuff. So it's a pretty chill day. I'm supposed to get up, but it's winter break and I don't have to. So I'm on my phone. If you guys haven't followed my Instagram or anything, you guys should. I'm so hungry, but I don't want to get up. But I need to have coffee. You know. I'm hungry, I'm full, but I'm hungry, I'm full. I'm hungry, I'm full. Hi. Hi, you cute little puppy. I'm gonna make some oatmeal for breakfast. I'm going to make some coffee. I'm a creamer person, I'm gonna break, guys. It's my oatmeal. I wish I had honey, but I just put some chia seeds, almond butter, bananas, and then just some Stilka oats. So I have a little work station for this morning. I'm gonna get my breakfast and drink my coffee. And then very quickly, I'm going to post a video for today. I'm posting a drive with me. Just having a nice leisurely morning of some online shopping. It's really like the last thing that I need to do, but I'm finding a lot of really cute stuff. I ordered two rings from M Jewelers. I realized that they are on sale all the time and the rings look so nice when I let me show you. I literally just texted Molly a photo of what I got, actually. Okay, so I got these rings, right? But they're 40% off, so I got both for 120.  I'm obsessed with their stuff right now. Like, there's so many necklaces that I want and rings that I want, especially. There's this one necklace, okay, from the M Jewelers that is just like a really simple cross. And Selena Gomez has one that I love, that I've been looking for for so long, but hers is from Tiffany's and it's like $14,000.  And this one is exactly it. I finally found it and it's only $100. So I need to get it, but I just have it because I keep buying things and I need to stop, so. I have to send my description of my podcast to my producer because today you guys are watching it. My first solo episode is going up. Every Thursday I have a new podcast episode on the I Love You So Much podcast. It is my favorite thing in the entire world. If you guys haven't checked it out, be sure to check it out. I normally have guests and we just like talk about life and like a lot of, I feel like a lot of it is like things that we're learning. Just, I don't know, it's really fun. I really love it. So, check it out. But I'm posting the What I've Learned in 2018 episode today as you guys are watching. So, check it out. Okay, so my video went up and it's a drive with me. My most listened to songs of 2018. Gonna give it a thumbs up and just respond to the first few comments I literally posted this like two minutes ago. So I got an iPad Pro for Christmas actually. So I'm trying to see if I like doing my divos on there of the She-Roots Truth app. I'm gonna download something.  Okay. I'm gonna download the morning and dancing one. What do you guys think they seem? Some people get that. So I just finished. I think I like it so far. I've decided that I'm gonna take a bath with a bath bomb because I bought one and I forgot about it. Here's my lush bag. Don't you love when you just forget that you did these beautiful things for yourself? Okay, so I'm in the bathroom now. I have this little murad. It was a little reward like perk thing at Sephora that I got. I wanna try out their skincare. So I have all that scrunchies. I already washed my hair. I still wanted to wash it. And then I have my beautiful lush bath bomb. My hair looks amazing, it's awesome. I'm gonna put on my jazz playlist. I'm gonna text in me and said we're leaving for breakfast in five minutes. So I'm gonna do my really simple makeup that I've been doing this break. First I'm just gonna start off with my IT Cosmetics Pore Primer. I'm almost out of this stuff. Sorry, the lighting is so weird. I only have natural lighting here so there's only so much you can do. And then surprise, surprise, my IT Cosmetics CC Cream. You guys know I love this. I just realized it'll have a mirror. So guess where you see the viewfinder today? This is like a real life one-day morning routine. I'm gonna put a little bit of concealer on. Just like under my eyes, not really necessary to cover anything up. And just to like highlight a little bit. Going to comb out my brows and fill them in. Going to use my brow gel to just kinda set them in place. Okay, the next thing. One of my new favorite products that I have been using this month that I haven't really talked about. It's this Too Faced Bronzer. It's the Snow Bunny Luminous Bronzer. I use a lot of luminous products because I really like my skin to be super glowy so this bronzer is awesome. And then I even lightly will dust it over my eyelids. Same product as always, I've been using this for like two years. I'm just gonna brush this over my face. Mascara, we're almost done. Okay, just gonna put on some Lip Injection Lip Gloss. I don't know if I'm gonna wear this shirt. I'm like, I'm in such a rush. No, I'm not wearing this. Okay, I just threw on this Tommy Hilfiger Crew Knot cause it's super cozy and just easy. Grabbing my vlog camera because I am going to vlog today and I'm just going to bring up my Mark Jacob. I think this is the camera bag. I'll have it linked down below for all of you guys who ask about it all the time. It has this really cool strap. I have like three bags from this line. It's one of my favorites, so. Okay, so that is it for my winter morning routine. I'm already, I'm vlogging today. So be subscribed if you guys want to see the rest of the day. I'm so hot right now for my outfit. Jeans are urban, shoes are Adidas, thrifted. I think these are from like literally Amazon or something. So be sure to subscribe if you guys haven't already. I will have Molly's video down below. Love you guys so much and I will see you soon. Bye. I'm gonna roll myself up in a big ball.