Hello, and welcome to this episode of Security Angle. I'm Shelly Kramer, Managing Director and Principal Analyst here at theCUBE Research. And today I am joined by my colleague and fellow analyst, Joe Peterson. Joe is also a member of our CUBE collective community of analysts. Joe, welcome, it's great to see you. You too, great to be here. Absolutely, so today we are going to tackle the topic of cloud security trends that we see ahead in 2024. So for starters to lay a little background, according to security today, global cloud spending is expected to grow more than 20% in 2024. We're seeing, of course, more organizations implement a cloud-first approach, no surprises there. But the reality of it is, is assets shift to hybrid and multi-cloud environments, security strategies need to shift too, and they need to be top of mind as those nasty threat actors are always looking for opportunities to exploit vulnerabilities across interconnected cloud deployments. Some research from HelpNet Security pointed out that attackers are adapting as organizations adopt a cloud-first approach. And you know what, that's happening across the board. And that's some of the things that we talk about in this series. I mean, threat actors are highly motivated.  And so they are as trying to stay as far ahead of the curve as humanly possible, right? So as we continue to see mass migration to the cloud, cyber criminals are going to follow suit. We know that in 2024 we are going to see an increase in sophisticated cyber attacks, targeting cloud architecture, cloud infrastructure. We anticipate seeing attackers more frequently targeting newer cloud technologies like container-based and serverless resources. Data is going to continue to be recognized as not only the lifeblood of every business, but an invaluable asset, and that is incredibly important. And we're going to see attackers shift tactics to adapt as businesses move toward a cloud-first approach. The primary motivation, of course, is the amount of sensitive data that they can obtain from data breaches. And that sensitive information, I mean, it could be personally identified, if PII, personally identifiable information, it could be all different, it could be what am I thinking about? It could be proprietary data. It could be trade secrets. It could be all kinds of information that they could get access to. So this is really important. So the six cloud trends of 2024 that we believe you and your security team need to be paying a lot of attention to are zero trust model, implementing AI and ML for cloud, cybersecurity mesh, secure access server edge, or SASE, automation of DevSecOps, and cloud native platform and tools.  So anyway, to quickly wrap this up and to toss it over to you, Joe, you know, I'm going to start with zero trust. And the concept of zero trust has been around since about 2010, when Forrester research analyst, John Kinnevag, created the zero trust security model. Two years after the devastating colonial pipeline attack and we've seen strong advocacy from the US government and others, we are still really no closer to seeing zero trust architecture wildly adopted. That is concerning. And the only exception it seems on that front as it relates to zero cloud architecture has been, the adoption of that has been with cloud service providers. So what do you think? Yeah, I mean, absolutely. So let me take a step back. I'm a huge fan of zero trust network access, replacing VPN technology because VPN is 20 years old and it really doesn't fit the way we work today, which is either hybrid or remote. Right. But implementing a zero trust stack is complex and can be complicated. So there was a great article by Henry Newman in E-security Planet and Henry asked the question, whether or not zero trust can be implemented outside of the cloud. And Henry made a couple of assertions that I tend to agree with. He said that the cloud service providers have a huge advantage over traditional hardware. So that means server and network and software vendors for three reasons. And here are Henry's reasons. He thinks that CSPs control the software stack. So they don't have to have network monitoring, multi-factor monitoring, OS monitoring and they integrate, coordinate and correlate everything between on their own stack. The hardware stack is also controlled by them. So for the most part, the CSPs built their own hardware and they've been building their own CPUs, some of them. So they build their own network devices. Everything is integrated into that CSPs supply chain, as it were, or stack. And then he further says that the entry points are monitored closely. So when you connect to a CSP, everything is monitored by that cloud service provider.  They would see that first. And that's your job. That's your job, right? So you're paying them for that, right? So if we're looking at a zero trust architecture back to, I do agree with him. There have been really no publicized large hacks of CSPs other than the hacks that started by getting into customer sites then to the CSP or databases left open by a customer, right? So I kind of think that, yes, do zero trust network access. And there's some other things that you can do in a zero trust architecture, but you may wanna really think about your bench and if you're able to pull it off. So the next trend that is in our list of six is AI and ML. And I feel that you showed that I'm starting to feel like every cloud conversation that I have is really an AI ML conversation and it's starting to be a synonymous term. What is going on with that? Well, I absolutely agree. That said, I'm gonna go back a minute and touch on your point about VPNs. And, you know, in a prior episode of this series, we talked about the reality that VPN is old technology and VPNs recognize the device and that's no longer good enough on the protection front and a zero trust network is where it's at. And you know how when sometimes I come across something that is such a great example that I just use it over and over and over again. And one of these is an example from a conversation that Z-scalers Jay Chaudhry had on the cube, I think it was at VMware Explorer. I'm not exactly sure of the event but I think that could have been it. But anyway, he gave such a great example illustrating why a VPN really isn't the best protection. And I love this.  So here's what happens when a user gets on a network using a VPN or being on a network with firewalls. And here's how Jay described it.  He's inside, he could snoop around. They wouldn't know if he went to where he was supposed to go, if he went to the restroom, if he went somewhere else, they don't know. So that's what happens with network security and a VPN. And that kind of gives me pause a little bit, right? That's why I love this example so much.  And this is the only room you're escorted to and it's the only room you're in and you don't even know, you don't even know that you're in room 22. And once your meeting happens, they're gonna escort you out.  And I just love that example because so many of us, every person on the planet hasn't experienced this, but the reality of it is most of us have walked into a corporate headquarters and office building, whatever, given our ID, gotten our badge and we can really relate to that example. So I love that just clear way of thinking about a VPN and how it's not really the best protection anymore. So anyway, back to your question. Back in January, of course, we know Microsoft really rocked the technology industry and announced a $10 billion investment into open AI. Amazon has invested in Anthropic in September, about $4 billion. That helped, of course, boost Amazon stock and Google has invested about $2 billion in Anthropic as well. So we've seen a total of about 16 billion invested thus far and by the way, I'm sure that's just a tip of the iceberg, but that's just for the tech. That's not for other capital investments like data center space and that sort of thing. So capital spending by Google, Amazon and Microsoft has jumped to a combined 42 billion for the three months up to September, according to payments.com. So it's clear that to the point that you made, Joe, hyperscalers are investing in all things AI and we're starting to see some guidance come out as it relates to end users about securing AI. And I will tell you every conversation I have, whether it's with you Joe or with our clients or with somebody in the industry, AI security is top of the list and it's top of mind. And with good reason, I mean, everybody is thinking about or dipping their toes in or getting waist deep in all things AI and you have to have a security posture around this. It's just critically important. So anyway, I love the fact that we are seeing guidance come out about this and I love the fact that we're seeing this attention on AI security. Yeah, I mean, I'm beating that drum all the time, right? Because it's daunting for the leadership, meaning many of them have had the forethought and the strategic awareness to put in policies for the employees, right? But the problem becomes enforcing the policy. So we're starting to see some great thought leadership come out from the hyperscalers. Back all the way back in January of 23, Google announced their secure AI framework or SAIF. And it's a good look at what's important. So SAIF has six core elements. The first is expand strong security foundations to the AI ecosystem. The second is extend detection and response, bring AI into its own organizations, or sorry, into an organization's threat universe. Third, automate defenses to keep pace with the existing and new threats. Fourth, harmonize platform level controls to ensure consistent security across the org. Next, adapt controls to adjust mitigations and create faster feedback loops for AI deployment. And then the last one is contextualize AI system risks in surrounding business processes, probably easier said than done. But Google is also drinking their own champagne. So they have taken five steps internally to support and advance a framework that works for all. And I'm sure that AWS and Microsoft are doing the same thing. Yeah. Organizations looking to chart a course. NIST has published a really beefy, I wanna say it's 63 pages. I'm busy reading it. AI risk management framework. And it is so chock full of great guidance that I suggest enterprise IT leaders read it. I'm gonna include a link to that in our show notes that are in the viewing audience. I think that that definitely is something to dive into in your free time as opposed to Netflix and chilling. You can, you know, AI risk management framework to chill. We're buying stuff like I do on Instagram. There's that. That's right, that's right. I'm gonna talk now a little bit about item number three on our list, which is cybersecurity mesh. So this is a defense strategy that independently secures each device with its own perimeter, like firewalls and network protection tools. And many security practices use a single perimeter to ensure and to secure rather an entire IT environment, but a security mesh uses a holistic approach. Gartner coined this term, security mesh architecture, CSMA. And as more assets are moved into a multi-cloud environment, it's becoming so much easier for attackers to access them. And that's really why IT leaders need to start thinking about security as a platform where everything works together. And the answer, of course, is it lies in securing the right platform and consolidating tools where it makes sense. And you start by asking yourself, you know, how do we connect the different cybersecurity tools? CSMA gives you the ability to leverage a reduced vendor footprint, which is good, right? I see that as reducing risk along the way, but also while deploying best-in-class solutions through this integration. CSMA is a significant shift away from the traditional perimeter-based security models that we're familiar with, and it's really shifting toward a more decentralized, device-centric approach to network security. And I think it's a relatively new concept, but we believe that it's going to become more relevant and more widely embraced as organizations continue to face cybersecurity threats that not only evolve, but grow at an exponential rate. Oh yeah, totally agree. I mean, this is definitely a trend we're gonna just be continued to see. I think that overall CSMA helps providing multi-layer defense against cyber threats, and it makes it more difficult for attackers to successfully penetrate an organization's network. So in case folks are wondering, there's five components, because it is a newer tool or an idea, a concept. First of all, there's APIs. Second component is a really strong analytics and intelligence process. So think about everything disparate coming into more or less one place, distributed identity management, consolidated approach to policy management, and a really great dashboard. I love this one, that everybody in the org can see and better understand. So instead of like all these little silo dashboards that give you a view into one thing, the idea is to give you a broader view across things, which I like. So yeah, if we move on to our fifth cloud security trend, we believe we're gonna see the automation, more automation of DevSecOps, and I'm kind of here for it. Oh, I am as well. And you know what? I'm gonna make a comment on visibility and dashboards and access to those dashboards across the organization. We did a research study a couple of years ago in partnership with Dell. And some of the things that we asked in our survey was do you have visibility? Do you use a dashboard? And we asked about instances of cyber attacks and how many cyber attacks on average they experienced at such and such time basis and everything else. And what was so fascinating and not at all surprising is that the folks who said they had not had any cybersecurity threat instances were generally speaking the folks who had no visibility. They weren't using a dashboard. They couldn't see what was happening across the organization in real time. And so they thought they were good. And conversely, the people in our study who did understand the importance of visibility and who were using dashboards were seeing, they were having instances of threat attacks on a regular basis and instance mitigate, instance mitigate, but it's just so interesting to me. Oh yeah, we don't have anything to worry about. We have no idea what's going on inside our network, but we're pretty sure we have nothing to worry about. And that scares the heck out of me. Yeah, right. That's how we get these really long dwell times, just that. That is it, absolutely. So DevSecOps automation, the process of automating the integration of security into DevOps, continuous integration and continuous deployment pipelines. This automation is cool because it drastically reduces the number of errors that occur when security, I'm sorry, it reduces the amount of errors when security analysis is performed manually, makes perfect sense, right? And so while DevSecOps makes security a shared responsibility of Devs and the operational team and security teams, DevSecOps automation empowers everyone and gives everyone the tools that they need to ensure that code and configurations are secure without the need of everybody in the equation becoming security specialists.  They're really interesting. I'm sure we're going to see that list of vendors continue to grow, but this is really something that is evolving very quickly and I think we'll see more of that. Yeah, and I'm encouraged because for the longest time, I'm encouraged by a DevSecOps role to begin with because for the longest time we had silos, right? We had the Dev folks with the op folks, we had the security folks, right? So the fact that everybody's coming together and swimming in the pool is a great thing because it means that we're putting security in the front of the process, right? And the thinking is that we're gonna greatly reduce some of the time to deploy by doing, by being basically proactive. So the application security market in general has really taken off. It's estimated to be 11.62 billion in 2024 and it's gonna basically more than double that by 2029, at 25.92 billion. I mean, that's a lot of bananas there. And it's eventually doubling, a little more than doubling in the space of five years. Yeah, exactly. But last but not least on our list for cloud security predictions is cloud native platforms and tools. So any guess, Shelley, what the cloud native security market is worth and who some of the players are in that space? Well, you know, I don't need to guess because I've got some research in front of me from virtue market research. Global cloud native platform market was valued at 9.77 billion and is projected to reach a market size of 35 billion by the end of 2030. So even more dramatic of an increase than the application security market. And by the way, if you're interested in application security and security, I would be remiss not to mention that we covered that topic in last week's show. So I will include a link to that in the show notes as well, so check that out if that's on your list. But I digressed. So projected to reach a market size of 35 billion by the end of 2030, this market over the six year period, it's the market is projected to grow about 20%. The vendors in the space includes some very familiar names, Palo Alto, CrowdStrike, Checkpoint, Trend Micro. This is again, a rapidly growing space and one we expect to see more movement in. Yeah, and I'm just like a little half a side prediction. I think we're gonna see a consolidation to what's known as CNAP, cloud native application protection platform from some of these little point solutions that have happened over time out of necessity. It's just maturing, right? So that's, you know, we saw that with Sentinel-1's purchase of pink safe, right? Because they have a CNAP solution and that enhances Sentinel-1's offering. So you're absolutely, I think you're absolutely right. You're always right. Oh God, you know what? We need to record that and have you recording for my husband. Your husband, I'm happy to do that. She's always right. I mean, perfect, right? Perfect, well, those are our predictions for 2020, our cloud security predictions for 2024. That's it, six cloud security predictions. I will very quickly recap them. Zero trust model will become more and more important to begin to be embraced even more and that's a good thing. We'll see the implementation of AI and ML for cloud, cybersecurity mesh, SASE, automation of DevSecOps and cloud native platform and tools. So with that, we're gonna wrap our show, the security angle today. And Joe, thanks so much for spending time with me. It's always a pleasure for our listening and viewing audience. Thank you as well. And we'll see you again next week.


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This is like within the past week. I think it was quite a I'm guessing there was a forest. I don't think that lots of people managed to it was really one of those, you know It's a sink or swim and you know this I mean even now you see they have these fancy entourage race and the men Yeah, she's a very manly thing. I was working with her husband once and we were shooting There were these little hills in the middle of you know some river Oh, I remember that one. You remember that one. And so all the men would just turn their backs and you know pee Whenever they wanted and I was just holding on so it was like breakfast, lunch, three o'clock I said my bladder is going to burst. I can't I can't do this anymore And I got into a boat and I went rowing myself when another hill did my business and came back and of course Everybody's looking at me. Just let her go to a tree and squat. Don't look at her. That's why you need sag I mean, yeah, yeah, yeah, it would be bathrooms. They'd be bathrooms. Yeah, yes And you know they have a jacket. It'd be that simple. And you know you're there Call sag if there's no bathroom. One thing I wanted to ask you. I mean at least for me even when I come in front of the Camera sporadically, I do worry about aging and that's why I like writing because it kicked the midlife crisis out of the orbit I mean instead of worrying about the lines of my face I have to worry about what lines to come up with next. Yeah But that doesn't really happen to an actor. Do you worry about it? I do. I do worry about it. Aging has to do with energy. It has to do with energy. More than the lines on your face I feel people look at what look at how you're saying what you're saying and I feel more than more than the lines on your face I feel that somewhere down the line age shows in people's eyes when they get tired when they get bored of what they're in the way They think that's when your age actually that's when people start noticing the lines in the wrinkles So no, I worry about it. Yes, I am concerned about it. Who isn't and I do my daily routine Religiously, which is what?  You know, I am extremely Extremely careful about drinking my eight classes of water I have to have my eight to ten hours of sleep at least. I go to sleep early I want to say weird people who does not have a nightlife She drinks at least eight to ten hours of water in it. One of the healthiest things you can do at least if she sleeps eight to ten hours But yeah, so I mean I'm I'm I do I don't remember last time I slept with her right. Every night like religiously I you know put my cream on and I'm like yeah, okay now I'm ready to go to bed So it's it's all of that and I take very very good care of myself. I work out I do work it looks like a lot of things in common She doesn't look that different from when she was in your 20s, they've both aged really well St. Joseph's and I was in U. Era. We had a we were at a co-ed school and you and all girls So we used to always say that all the St. Joseph girls and the Kim and girls would come During all the inter school competitions and I all our boys. Is that true? I Think they are all the boys. It had nothing to do with your school in particular We are the same Peter's boys as well. Would you send your daughter to an all-girls school? Do you think that it's beneficial? I don't know whether I Honestly, I have sent my daughter to school currently, but I think that right now the way the world is I don't know whether it would be an advantage or not. I don't think it would be an advantage at all It's such a thing. It's not a thing here. Yeah, it's not all girls all boys It's not really a thing not anymore. Yeah, you know the other gender as an alien I'm sure there are some they're not prominent, but I think that they have it figured out much better than me Definitely definitely and I think and I think the fact is that till we were I was in a school. I don't know if it's healthy. I don't know that it is either We all studied together. They were not you know different from us and we fought with everybody Yeah, so I mean it was not like one having a fight with him because he's a boy or anything like that I mean, I didn't I didn't have a tendency to beat the boys more than ever beat the girls because I Good for you Going up the other thing I feel that we have in common as if we grew up in this all So, you know, you have a single mom was raising you and then your grandmothers and your aunts and that's your world and Though we never even spoke about feminism in our house, I think it became an inherent part of my being How did that shape you growing up in the same way? Like you said, I mean there was nothing that nothing Spoken about feminism, but at the same time if we have to change the light bulb, it was done by us You know somebody got the ladder somebody went and changed the light bulb if something had to be fixed in the house It was us if My dad who cut Kavali did not come home. It was us. Yeah, actually clean bathrooms at home as well Yeah, so my mother I was very categorical about this So that was our upbringing that we were supposed to do everything by ourselves that we should not need anybody else to To live to live happily and successfully and that yes, that was the whole point That was exactly the way that I was brought up. It was never there was never that there's a provider It was like you provide. Yeah, and if you don't provide then Our kids unfortunately are fortunate shows you need to work for I hope that by the fact that I'm working today We'll teach my daughter something. Yeah, that I am that I go for work today We'll teach my son something it's about whoever he is, you know going to marry or you know have be with the rest of His life So I think I think it's very important and I think that I'm very clear about with my daughter and my son that you know You guys have to start working soon and you have to start, you know You have to start living your life rather than learning how to live your life. Yeah, so I think So I hope that we're continuing that with that I had my first job It the only disadvantage of official job real not like How to be about something you married in law and you're like, how does this woman from Auntie the next day go to be I can hypocrite and so I did you know, I didn't and fortunately for me my mother-in-law Has given me that time and space and I know for a fact that she needs to sit and her friends would come over home And her friends would be like they would be my mini mother My mother would turn around very proudly and say that you know, what's a mom over here? That's amazing. And I was just like I was so I was so She's giving me that time to grow into whoever I'm supposed to be that she's giving me that space You know, so I think I really really respect her for that my respect for her deepened after that What would you know or think that this is a man you want to spend 21 years with if at the very least I think I was the kind of person before I got married that I would never have gotten married I always felt that I would be one of those people who you know Somebody would have to hold a shotgun to my head to take me and make me you know get married Get married otherwise, you know I know your hair off that kind of thing.  He's like a rock So I think that that's something that I really believe I knew for a fact that you know He would not leave me and I would not want to leave him either So I think I found the right person And now to make things even more complicated. You have that hum though our ego, you know Kids in this whole canal. Yeah, it's so wacky You have a fridge it comes with a manual a child Very true See you later. It's a weird feeling. It's awful. It's all very very scary like this is mine now I'm supposed what do I do with it? Everybody all my friends For the next six months do not come and visit me. Do not come and say hello to me I don't want to see you. Why because I was so I was like, listen, I have to concentrate. I have to get this This up this is just too bloody important in my life And I don't have the time and the patience to cater to you know, oh friends I They were very very sweet and they still came but at least they took me, you know with a pinch of salt and they said Okay, we'll come back in six months. Don't worry. You don't have to see us again So yeah, I was lucky. What are your parenting tips and tricks? I think with teenagers I think the most important thing is to listen. I We spent so much time Absolutely agree from people Listen to hear not to correct and they want to be treated correct like adults Yes, you have their own way of thinking correct. It may not be your way of thinking But I think they just want to be heard and most of the times that's exactly what I do with this So I mean you should come in my mind. I think I want this So I'm like, okay, baby. Tell me and then she'll sit and she'll sit by the end of half an hour She's talked herself out of it. Also. She's talked herself into it also and then by the end of it She's like, okay, now we'll wait and see and then you know if it happens It'll happen in the most organic way or it won't because she will have understood the practicality of it not happening Yeah, and I will not have to take the owners of being the overbearing parent and you know putting my foot down Yes, of course you have to at times. There are things that are completely impractical. That's proud out of their mouths But I think that's just it I think the most important thing is just to sit and listen to them listen to them Yeah, I mean understand what they're saying They're using Slaps Most of your life so you have also You know a master's small fortune of your own your divider business will pay us for everything you've like Life all the kids school education I pay for okay, because then I can tell them Just flip things or it's it all him is it? No, it's I think See, I'm very clear about I'm very clear about this I'm a very clear Joe Tera. Oh, my God. Oh, my God. Oh, my God. Yeah, I mean that they're But I think I think it's more about convenience honestly What works online is more me Offline is more him. So I think we do that. We separated that way I have to say that for a jet that he is very very very much Like if I have to get up at 7 o'clock with you for school half the times He will get up at 7 o'clock anyways sit with him have breakfast with him send him to school, etc so it's not I don't have to get up every day and You know even as much should be that way they're both Working Like that So he does spend a lot of time with the kids and he is very very much Good last week. I've just been sleeping in and he's awake and If she goes out at night, he's the one who's waiting up for her to wait for her to come back I think all that you're gonna do that So tell me now what are you looking forward to you've been here for like 30 years almost 30 years has been 30 years I don't eat What next Don't know I don't know and I like it like that. I don't know what it is I don't know where I'm aiming for I never had an aim Ever and I've reached where I am today without Actually, you know heading in any particular direction I think life just happens to you in places. Yes, there are times when you have to lead it and when you have a thought I do have a thought obviously But mine is more involved with You know, I really want I want to spend time with my kids. I believe they're my kids for a reason Yes, they are going to be growing up too soon and I love them and I like them as well I have to be honest that I have some super great kids. I like them. So next for you is an unknown path and you like it I like like that. I like it like that not to have it scripted and so that I can do anything that I want Yeah, but you are following a script I think you're following kuch kuch hota hai because suddenly I'm seeing you in the second half The person who didn't care is now all dressed up I mean are you Anjali from the second half kuch kuch hota hai? I would never go towards Indian so hard I wouldn't But still, now I have hair, makeup, I've seen your Instagram I have hair and also Nobody would have been like really into your looks like now I honestly It was very weird, but I started working when I was about 16 years old and Before that I was in boarding school So I never really had the opportunity to go out and like you know pick up clothes for myself My mom did my most of my shopping for me. So I was you know kind of given aye yeh kapde hain for boarding school and then I got to the movies and then it was bought about again People are handing me clothes and somebody was giving me something or the other So I kind of reached the tender age of 27 and realized that I have no opinion on clothes And I was like why is that? I mean like why is it that I have no opinion if somebody asks me do you like prefer black to white I am like I don't know. I mean how can me and I'm opinionated person How can me as an opinionated person not have an opinion on what I like or what I don't like So I sat down and I was like it's not rocket science I mean random much less intelligent people than me are doing this at a much better at a much You know greater levels. So I mean what's the big deal about it? It cannot be so difficult You can put together an airport look No I think it had more to do with you know learning to put together what I liked and what I didn't And learning that even clothes have a way of saying what you are So I think I had an opinion about it But I'm classy, I'm beautiful, I'm hot Did you listen to your mom ever? I listened to my mom a lot I listened to my mom a lot and now as I'm older I realize that the kind of things that she taught me When I was a kid and that I used to rebel against Like if I got angry with somebody and she would be like you know anger is not the way You can't get angry you can't let the other person win And I would get so I wouldn't get more angry when she told me that I would really get more angry when she told me to get angry So I don't know what basis she was giving the mom but advice like this But my mom and honestly I realized that when I got older it just kind of seeped in somewhere And I was like no I'm not going to you know let the other person win and I it worked for me It worked for me as an adult more than it worked for me as a child But it only came to me as an adult because it was given to me as a child So I have to say that I thank my mom for these small this is just one of the small things that You know she taught me about she taught me about compassion she taught me about Charity she taught me about you know relationships and how to work through them That you have to work at them for it to make a difference and for it to last So yeah there's so many things that she taught me I think what keeps me grounded is It's the fact that I don't honestly take everything very seriously I don't believe that it's as big a deal as it's made out to be I don't believe that yes I am of course successful I believe in I believe in myself I like who I am today But I think it's also got a lot to do with who I am rather than what I did And what accomplishments supposedly I have made along the way So what is that one trait within you that you're very proud of? The one trait that I'm very proud of I'm proud of a lot of things that I do myself Okay so you're just kidding One trait that I'm very I like the fact that I can laugh I like the fact that I have a sense of humour and that I'm able to Have a perspective of things that seem very big at that moment But aren't really when you get it in the long run So yeah I like that about myself Having said that was lovely lovely lovely to have you here And what should we do now should we just get a drink unwind Watch a movie Yes drink coffee I wanted gin but yeah okay And a movie yes which one should we see DDLJ Okay name some other things something really classic and iconic And now this you've seen how many times This I've not seen that many times How did I agree I've seen it I think twice that's it I've seen it once on TV and once in the theatre with everybody else at the premiere So that was it So let's see a classic that neither of us have seen Like name one Mela And this looks like it's actually twinkles It's her show I guess it's called a tweak India I thought it was Yeah no the icons because there was another one right there at the end Maybe she hosts like a show called this show She hosts icons Yeah I thought it But yeah they're both wonderful they both have great personalities The control has a great head on her shoulder which is admirable Because you know India is one of the biggest stars that you can get Married to one of the biggest stars as well Yeah I mean two superstars raising a family That's to be congratulated in a big big way Because that's statistically that is a rough road to go down I mean it's hard enough to raise a family Let alone to be two full time working people That add to it the entertainment industry Yeah Yeah I'm really that says a lot about both Hollywood A lot of drugs Not here in Hollywood though None here No drugs There's never been drug use It's one of the things we're most proud of about Hollywood Is there's never been an incident of drug use Ever in the history of cinema in America That's true Johnny Depp never done drugs Never I know it's shocking to a lot of people It really is Never had a drop of alcohol Jack Nicholson Never had a joint Not once Chris Farle Oh that's just Wow Wow Let's talk about John Belushi then too While you're at it Do you ever see the off topic for a second The SNL just a few years ago Adam Sandler He did this song about Chris Farle Oh yes And then he was like you're gonna end up like Belushi and Candy And he's like those are guys in my heroes I hope so Which is so sad So sad So sad They're all gone So sad Yeah But anyway Yeah that was fantastic I would love to talk to both of them I think they'd be a lot of fun Because A lot of fun and insightful They don't take them so seriously I feel like they're both pretty down to earth people Yep Which As long as you're doing this kind of conversation Where you're talking about stuff that really matters And the stuff that really matters is The art form that you love And then the life that you live That is down to the values of Being a parent, raising you kids, being a spouse What's your outlook on life That's the stuff that All the other stuff that so many Places do Around the world Where what they're looking for is that Sound bite of gossip Just makes me want to vomit Yeah Like When people ask Like do you ever get starstruck in the interviews I'm like no not usually I mean Nawaz maybe I think I was more nervous Just because it was one of our first interviews Yeah In person And it was in India With one of my favorite actors Yeah But it wasn't really because I appreciate like artists as people But also I could easily be in their shoes Right And I know that they want to They're just a person Right And that's the thing is like When I watch With extreme talent When I watch shows Like we were watching Handmaid's Tale And like I want to work with Ann Dowd Like I see those actors And I'm like I would be starstruck at the level of How much I love their work Yeah And it depends on the circumstance Like for example We know these interviews are coming up If I walked into a room And unexpectedly Someone was in there that I really admire I would take me a moment To get past the starstruck You know Like if you walked into a room For an audition And Tom Hardy's behind the desk You'd need a moment to adjust As much as you want to work with them Walk in Well perhaps I remember Or even bigger Even bigger Johnny Depp Right It would take a minute to adjust to that Even though you're ready And like I want to work with you Okay I'm ready Oh my god you're so hot Like my friend who did The Daniel Day Lewis thing And she walked in and saw him And went holy shit Can I walk back out? Yeah That would take a second to To get into it But yeah They're both wonderful I would love to talk to both of them Yeah So both of you please Come on the channel Be our dose Let us know what other videos We should react to down the bottom


QuickBooks Online. Increase screen size, duplicate tabs and open multiple browsers. Get ready to start moving on up with QuickBooks Online. Support Accounting Instruction by clicking the link below giving you a free month membership to all of the content on our website broken out by category further broken out by course. Each course then organized in a logical reasonable fashion making it much more easy to find what you need than can be done on a YouTube page. We also include added resources such as Excel practice problems, PDF files and more like QuickBooks backup files when applicable. So once again click the link below for a free month membership to our website and all the content on it. We will be working in the free QuickBooks Online test drive. The easiest way to find it and open it in my opinion is to search in your favorite browser such as Google for QuickBooks Online test drive. So I'm going to do that right now. Within the results I'm looking for a URL that has Intuit.com within it because Intuit is the owner of QuickBooks. That's a good indication that you're in the right spot. Now if you want to go to the Intuit website directly because you feel a little bit more secure going to the source you can do so. You can go to the Intuit website at intuit.com but it's a little bit more buried here. You might have to search around for a bit. Right now if I go into the Intuit and then I'm going to scroll all the way down to the bottom of the page. I'm looking at the products. I'm going to go into the QuickBooks Online and then I'm not looking at the 30 day free trial. Remember we're looking at the other free option the test drive which currently is kind of like in the middle of the page. So somewhat buried and again this is the part of the page. They change a lot so they could change over time. But here it is. There's the test drive so that's another option to kind of search around. And you might feel a little bit more secure going into their website to find it rather than the URL. But closing that out the URL is intuit.com so that looks good. And then I'm going to say that I want the United States version of it. That's what we will be working with. Opening that up we will verify that we're not a robot and then continue. Now if you have any problems getting into this is going to be Craig's design and landscaping the free or sample company file. One reason might be that you've logged in recently to your own QuickBooks account and then it tries to log you in. And basically the sample company is kind of like another login so it can mess things up. If you want to be logged in and have the sample company open which can be a great tool to compare and contrast your data to the sample data and then you might want to open the sample data in another browser or you can open it in the incognito mode. So let me just show you that's the first thing we want to keep in mind and that's a great tool because you could have multiple companies open or in a similar situation or you could have like your file open and then the sample file open in another browser or in the incognito mode to help you to practice in this file while working in your file. So one way to do that I can go to the three dots up here. This is in Google Chrome other kind of browsers will have their own incognito mode. Most of them have one and if I open in that mode this is the one that's supposed to not have any cookies in it and whatnot. So then I can search I can search within here for the quick books online test drive and then I can look for the one with the into it that looks good and open it in here and I shouldn't have a problem then that I have another quick books file open in the browser. I typically use. So that's one kind of option that you could use. I'm going to continue on and we have it open there. And notice now I can have this other window that I can pull into a second screen. I can see them side by side here and that could be a great tool. So the other way you can do that is have a whole nother browser that doesn't see you know the other the other browser right which is like I'm using Google Chrome. So you could use Microsoft Edge or whatever and then search in here for quick books online test drive and then you have the same kind of option. So now you can be in a different browser and possibly be working in a different account than what your company file is in because it's not getting messed up with the same login for two different things. OK, so I'm going to close that out. That's the first thing that want to get a handle on if there's any problems logging into this company file and how to address those kind of problems. So once in the sample file, we just want to talk about some navigation tools before we really get into the navigation of the quick books itself just in terms of how we can navigate like the windows within the system. For those who have experience working with the QuickBooks desktop version, moving to QuickBooks online can be quite overwhelming because the look and feel and the way we navigate through QuickBooks online is quite different than the QuickBooks desktop. But after you get used to it, it's not that bad. We're going to be doing some comparisons between the navigation for the online version and the desktop version. Even if you don't have experience with the desktop version and you've only used the online version, I still think it's a good exercise to look at some of the differences because we're basically looking at differences between a web based type of application and an application that's actually on your computer. In other words, QuickBooks online is basically a website, so we're going to be navigating around it in a similar fashion as we would with a website. Whereas when we look at the QuickBooks desktop, which looks like this, this is actually on the computer. So we have some different kind of navigation options. So the first thing I want to look at is zooming in. So if I go back into the website here, the web based applications are quite nice because we can often zoom in if the screen is too small. And we can do that on a Windows computer. You can hold down control and then scroll up on the scroll bar on your mouse. You also have this plus button right here. I'm at 175% zoom in 150% zoom in at this time. Now that's a great tool because it allows us to easily better see the page if we have a small page and focus in on a particular item. However, there are pros and cons with it as well. Notice that if you're looking at a website, most websites these days will adjust to look and feel of their headers and whatnot. The design of the website, the format of the website as you're zooming in. If it didn't do that, then things would get out of sync in essence, right? So that's the website is getting smarter and smarter, adjusting the icons on the website to fit within a bigger zoom or smaller screen. So if you were to open a website on a phone, for example, it would have a much different look than if you were to open it on a computer and it's trying to optimize the look and feel. That is great. However, it also means that when you're following along in a course, if I have a different zoom or different screen size than what you are working with, then you might have a different layout in terms of where things are found on the screen. So that's something that just keep in mind how zoomed in. Am I how zoomed in? Are you what kind of shape or your screen are you using? You might have to look around a little bit more in order to find a particular item based on those differences. So in the web based, I mean, in the desktop version, it's pretty much static. So you can't really zoom in and out too easily, although you could change the look of your format of your computer. So if I wanted to increase the size of these icons on the desktop version, I used to go into here or I still do. And I go into the settings on my Windows computer display and increase the size of the screen so I can increase the size of the icons. A bit more tedious to do that on the desktop. So I think that's a benefit of the web based program right there that we have the ability to zoom in. Now the next thing has to do with working with multiple screens at the same time. So on the desktop, you might be used to, for example, having this open windows, which is in the views dropdown open windows. So if I wanted to work on multiple things, I can toggle. How can I toggle between different things? For example, if I open the reports, which we'll do every time in the desktop version here. We'll do it on the online version later, of course, reports, accounting, balance sheet in the income statement. They show up in my open windows. So and then I toggle between the open windows. I can also have a have a windows based system like this so I can move them around this way. But usually I maximize them and I toggle between them and open windows. That is quite useful. I've gotten quite used to that over the years in the online version. It's not the same because we don't have that same kind of open windows capability in the online web based version. What we can do instead is we can open multiple tabs and this, of course, will be applicable for most web based type of applications. I can go to the tab up top, right click on it and duplicate the tab. I'm going to do that again. And this is what we will do every time we open the application. We'll put our major financial statement reports into tabs that we're going to duplicate right click and duplicate the tab again. Go to the tab in the middle. I'm going to open up a report here and we'll talk about how to open reports more later. But right now it's in the reports on the left hand side and we'll talk about the different views. You also might be in the business view, which is right here. So we'll talk about that in a second here, but I'm in the account view right now. And I'm going to open up the balance sheet tab to the right. And then I'm going to go to the reports and open up the profit and loss or income statement. So there it is. And then we can, this is called a hamburger on the left hand side. I can collapse it quite easily here. I can collapse it quite easily here. A little bit more easily than collapsing it on the desktop version where I have to go to the view and hide the windows. Not too bad if I want to collapse it that way. So there it is. So now I've got my reports, the end result, the things that we're trying to produce open. And I can zoom in and out of the reports as I go into them. And I have a tab on the left where I can do my data input, which is great. I can also even take these items on the right and left click on them and move them. So now I can have them on two different screens so I can basically look at my balance sheet, for example, and then do my data input at the same time if there's something on the balance sheet that I want to be pulling from. And then I can put my cursor, I don't want to put my cursor over here to try to put it back. What I want to do is put my cursor on the little tab. If I grab that, then I can put it back right there. So now they're all on the same thing up top. If I go to the left hand side, now when I do data input, it takes a little bit more time for the reports to refresh. I got to make sure I refresh stuff. So when I do data input, I'll hit the plus button. These are the forms we'll talk more about later to do data input. When we do the data input, there's going to be an impact on the end product, the financial statements, the balance sheet, the income statement, and related reports. So typically I want to do the data input and then go to the balance sheet and the income statement to see what happened. But I have to make sure to refresh these reports because it's a web-based software. I've got to run the report to make sure that it's updated and has the new information that I pulled in with the data input. That's a little bit of an extra step than the desktop version. On the desktop version, if I was to do data input here and go to the reports, that's typically pretty much automatic. Quite a fast transfer. On the online version, you got to take kind of like that extra step, which isn't too bad to just make sure that you have refreshed the screen and everything is up to date on the reports. So going back to the first tab, those are the major things we want to look at here. Just a quick look and feel in terms of, notice on a web-based program, you still got kind of like their dropdowns. And I'm in the accounting view right now. We'll take a look at the other view shortly. I'll try to toggle back and forth between them. But you still got kind of like your dropdowns or side drop windows or else you're going to have the dropdown kind of thing up top if you have a lot of options that you're trying to go to as, of course, a software program is going to have. So we've got our dropdowns up top and our side kind of format panels on the left hand side. The middle part is where we're going to display things, which will be such as the reports or such as the forms, opening invoices and that kind of stuff. Similar layout as with the desktop version, where we're going to have the old kind of fashion. You might remember Microsoft Office products like Microsoft Word before they had the ribbon. They had the dropdowns up top. It works quite well. So it's still a good system to have. And so the other thing to remember on the online version is because it's web-based, they're going to be trying to change it a lot to optimize the user ability. So for example, the biggest example we have here of this is this is kind of like the older version, the accounting version with these side panel looking like this. And they've tested the cog dropdown to switch the view to a different view that looks like this. It's kind of a fancier view on the left hand side, which the argument is would be more user friendly on the left hand side. But I also think they're trying to be kind of trendy in the terminology. Less stuffy, less professional with the term, not so usually like cool terms or trendy terms over on the business view. And the look and feel of the button has changed over the years and so on and so forth. And it will continue to change in the future because they're going to be constantly A-B testing. And I think that's a good thing because that means that they're hopefully improving the website to the point where people really like it. The problem is that even if they get it to the optimal point, in my opinion, they probably will never stop changing things because the web designers are getting paid to change things. So I would think that even if they got the optimal point, they're like, it's the best it could possibly be. They'd still want to change things because they're getting paid to change things. So in any case, that's one of the downsides that you just have to be okay with. You've got to be okay with the fact, okay, I went in here and the new button looks different now. I know my forms are still going to be in there. They're not changing the accounting. The double entry accounting system is the same, right? The basic form, you can call the expense form whatever you want. You know, you could do it. You know, make it a hip name on the expense form, money, cash, give me cash, pay, I'll pay you cash kind of thing, whatever. It's still going to do the same thing. It's just a matter of, you know, what's the look and feel? How do I get to the same stuff? And usually, hopefully they're making it easier or at least not harder. And if they do make something harder that people don't like, they will probably hear about it and they'll have to change it back. But that ever-evolving nature is something that we certainly do not have with the desktop version, which has been quite the same for a long time. And it's worked quite well for a long time. We haven't really needed, you know, any changes because they've got something that works, I think, and it is what it is. Everybody knows how to use it. I mean, you can look at instructional videos on the desktop version from way back and there's still going to be differences in them and functionality and whatnot. But the basic layout in terms of the look and feel will be pretty much the same. There's not much changing. And so for a lot of people that have worked in a static kind of application situation to move to an online application where there's a lot of movement or could be a lot of changes over times as they're trying to improve can be also intimidating, something that we just have to basically accept, be okay with and just realize that they're not really changing accounting. They didn't change the double entry accounting system. The packaging is just messing with the packaging. So we'll get into more of that in future presentations.