Good evening. Good afternoon. Hope you all doing well and I made a I made a mistake. Let me see if I can fix my mistake because Okay, yeah, I'm sorry I have them. I have them. Let's see if I if I can pull them down over here Let me go to the very no, I cannot no I cannot but I can go ahead and answer them Let's see if I can't answer these don't go on it. I can't get it. Okay Sheila and Michelle Let me see if I can get up on it. I cannot I'm trying to see if I can move this this this over Yeah, let me see if I can just put it right here That's one question, but then Sheila your question the question that you asked earlier Sheila is Let me see if I can fix this the question that you asked earlier Sheila you asked a question that you asked If I can figure this question out. I wrote it down. Oh, okay You add the question that you asked for if I'm if I am correct Sheila Let's see if I can if I can get this right you you tell me if I if I said it correctly or not But your question was You asked About Jeremiah was it Jeremiah 716? I think that was your question So let's go ahead and jump into it Jeremiah 716 as for you do not pray For this people and do not lift up cry or Lift up cry or prayer for them and do not intercede with me for I do not hear you and so I'm not I can't remember what your question was. I know it was in regards to that But if you're asking why is it why is God telling him not to pray for them? Well, we've got to remember This is at a time that the children of Israel are getting ready to be sent out of life They're getting ready to be exiled remember that they're going to be gone for 70 years It's the first go around they're going to be gone for 70 years They're gonna come back, but remember these false prophets are going around saying that no Like month like false prophets to the day God is going to bless us. No, it's gonna be wonderful. He's gonna keep us in the land And we're gonna be prosperous and he says don't listen to those people He tells them to get comfortable and so what it's got telling Jeremiah because he's concerned for his people Just like today, we see a lot of people here in our country who They just aren't the best example of people But we still have concern for our country, right? Same thing with Jeremiah Jeremiah has concerned for his people He has concern for Israel, which by the way should also give us an insight when we talk about or we Try to figure out what these prophets had in mind what they were thinking even Paul when it comes to Israel as a nation They're concerned just like ours would be for our country They understand their legion is the God first, but they also have a love for their country in particular this nation Israel And so he said don't even pray for them put back on the screen He says and do not lift up cry or prayer for them and do not intercede with me for I do not hear you Look what he says. Do you not see what they are doing in the cities of Judah and in the streets of Jerusalem? They are just there they're having a good time, but it's a simple good time And so because of that God has God has stated that I am not going to be involved with them So do not cry out do not pray for them. All right, amen And the next one let's let me get that one and then we'll start taking questions from you guys and then folks that are coming in on the live stream Michelle says Cory I Oh, I'm sorry I have heard people say that we are not saved when we confess Romans 10 9 only and make a profession of faith We place our faith in Christ. We were not saved at that time. We are in the process of being saved We are not saved until we die. Is this true? No, this is not true There are those that want to say that we are not saved until we get to our final destination That's not true at all because if that were the case and then one the term being saved or salvation Could never apply to us until then As a matter of fact, it would always state that we will be saved But when you look at when you look at the scriptures First of all just to do a perusal of a quick word search. Let me just type in type in Been saved and I want to see what tends that this is in so we can see if that's how God speaks to us Or speaks about our salvation Let's go to Let's start an axe Okay, let's start at Romans 8 8 24 I pulled up a few different verses on being saved and so axe I'm sorry axe Romans 8 24 for in hope we have been saved But the hope that is not that is seen is not hope for who hopes for what he has already seen And so the word here for in hope we have been saved The reason for this have been saved because this is a this is a heiress Passive someone it was done to us and it happened in the past. Okay, Ephesians 2 It says that we have been made alive together with Christ by grace you have been saved same thing in Ephesians 2 8 And this is not only is this past tense is also perfect tense So it's a completed action from the past so it's clear that us having been saved is Something that God looks at us presently so he so presently We are regarded as having been saved not that we will be saved now Is there a further fulfillment of our salvation left to come sure we still have this flesh We still have a desire or propensity to fall to mess up That's that's gonna be present as long as we have this this Immortality but when this mortality takes off that and puts on immortality when we become we get our our glorified body And we go to be with the father then those things won't happen and so there'll be a greater fulfillment of our salvation but the Bible tells us it's clear that We have been perfected for all time those of us who have been sanctified and the passage for sanctified refers to us as Well, so we have been sanctified we have been set apart and we have been We have been and are being perfected and so in that case. Yes salvation. We have it right now That's why Jesus makes a statement in John 647 the person that believes Has at this very moment salvation 647 So is he should he take the cue of some people who disagree and So should the passage go instead of saying Matter of fact, let's pull on the screen Should the passage take this way and rather than saying truly truly Whoever believes what has been saved or has salvation has her life. Should it be Instead of having eternal life or has should it be that according to them It should say that truly truly I say to you that who was believing or whoever believes Will have eternal life But that's not what Jesus says he says has and he uses a key Which is the present tense he has right now eternal life or he has life going on into the eternities And so no we have it right now. So that being the case Let me go ahead and bring on We've got one in the queue right now, which is going to be someone that you all know. This is Miss Lisa Atkins It's how are you doing? We we can hear you Where are you now? We can hear you Can you hear me? We can hear me. Okay, so I am out as always out and about I'm on and on the corner Uh 63rd my question to you my question to you is in the book where he said Upon this rock, I will build my church and the gates of hell will not prevail against it Was he only talking to Peter? Because I was taught and I'm still doing the research right here by the train He also they also teach us that he was standing within the region where there is Demonic activity so he wasn't just talking to Peter himself He was making a declaration to those demonic spirits that were lurking around the premises where they were studied Is that or can you verify that? Okay, well, he was he was the rock that he's speaking of what he's speaking of is not Peter Um, he's not speaking about any location He is speaking about the profession that they made so let's go to it in Matthew 16 Uh, this is verse 13. He says now when Jesus came into into the district of Caesarea Philippi He was asking his disciples Who do people say that the Son of Man is now this is the basis of our salvation Um, and they said some say John the Baptist others say Elijah But still others say Jeremiah or one of the prophets he said to them But who do you say that I am Simon Peter answered you are the Christ the Son of the Living God And so that's now by the way this whole term Uh, this Son of Man This is what this refers to about who he is the Son of Man being the Christ the Son of the Living God He used all three of these terms that are synonymous with Christ there. I'm with Jesus Christ Son of God Son of Man all of these are found in this this this episode here And verse 17 Jesus said him blessed are you Simon Barjona because a flesh did not flesh and blood did not reveal this to you But my father who was in heaven I also say to you that you are Peter And upon this rock now the this uh for this rock is not referring to Peter But instead that this is referring to the antecedent of what he just what he just declared Which was this statement, uh that he is That he by the way and one of the ways that we can kind of tell this is that the taute is uh in the feminine And Peter is in the masculine and so it would not be that there's anything else is referring to If there's two things then this would be referring to both of those in the neuter But this is referring to them in the in the masculine. I mean the feminine and so it's referring to the previous statement Which is the statement that Jesus being the Christ Jesus being the Son of Man Jesus being the Son of God that upon this declaration Upon this profession. That's what he is going to build his church, which is exactly what he did Okay, there's a part two to that question There's no asking maybe i'm not asking it correctly, but we're focusing on the gates of hell Now with that said I asked this organization If I can if they wanted to be on youtube i'm right here at the corner of 63rd and right now There are feeding people Are feeding people They are feeding people on the corner. Can you see them? I can see we can see them They found everyone they're feeding each everyone In this community every day I come here on every Friday I come on this corner when I get off the bus. They are right here giving away food This is new life Hello, I don't see pastor moody, but anyway, I just wanted to share but there's a part two There he is. Okay Right But this is where this is how we do it out here. Uh, keep us in your prayers All right. Nice to share with you. Cory.  Um God is great And i'm very grateful for you and what you're doing Uh, thanking god for allowing me to pass my chiak Change your certification. Hey, man. I will be graduating friday Uh, unfortunately, I won't be there live but they will Email me my certificate. So thank you all guys. Thank you smart questions for your prayers. All right. Thank you sister. God bless you too All right All right guys, I'm gonna go ahead and by the way if again if anyone wants to uh, Let me put the link in here again if anyone is wanting to come in How do I do that? Uh, Cory. I'm sorry me Put this put the link in one more time just to make sure if anyone is wanting to come on board And then I'll also start taking start taking you guys's questions um Alrighty Let me let me mark a few more questions and we'll jump uh into it some more By the way, spider monkey. I'm not answering your question. The reason why I'm not going to answer your question spider monkey This is spider monkey's question. Why did the malachite uh in chapter in second samuel? Chapter one assumed to be sol's murder even though sol himself died by his own hand We are literally starting second samuel chapter one verse one tomorrow. So We're going to go over that tomorrow All right, let me go ahead and start answering some of the some of these questions Uh, remember to put a big gigantic cue or question in front of it Uh, what is that? Hold on? There's an okay. All right. There's no one that it has um Well, there's no one. Um, trying to come on. So let's go ahead and start answering some of these questions.  Why don't they obey the word? The I don't think they're mentally unstable I know I do think that there are some that that uh in terms of knowing what they're doing Understanding the word that they are just off. I think there are also the those that have that are fairly clear in what they're doing now Uh, I'm going to be a bit provocative and say something And I'll I'll address this even more Um, I was I was watching kind of this whole little dialogue back and forth between um, the cessationist camp and the and the continuations camp and People get people's attitudes go up people getting their feelings people get a little bit bothered. I don't understand why because If you think they're wrong, well, then they're wrong if they're wrong It's not it's not going to affect you if you feel that if you feel that's wrong about it, but on both sides, I think again and and just because you are Of a different belief than I am didn't mean that you're not saved or vice versa But there was a statement that was made. I was I was watching. Um There was a back and forth between ruse line and the messed up church And different folks on both sides But there was something that that uh ruse line said someone said something It might have been jesson peters. He may have said it And then ruse line picked it up Uh, and vehemently disagreed. I think I think it was jesson peters who said that all Uh, deliverance ministries are frauds or frauds or something like that He jesson peters may not have been the one that said it someone else may have said it And but then ruse line said that no you can't make that statement Um, I'm not going to necessarily make that same statement But I am going to say that every single one that I've seen Is fraudulent If there's one that's not I would like for someone to direct us to one I would like for for one to be directed to us so that we can see and compare to the scriptures At present haven't seen one All of the so-called demon slayers and those that are not affiliated with them but do the same thing Haven't I have not seen one yet Not one yet. And when you follow their ministries They will be the first to tell you that this isn't all that we do This is the main thing that we do but when they go speak other places when they go out of town when they go to other people's churches This is what they talk about they talk about the exact same thing over and over and over and over At least as far as I can tell now. I don't follow everything they say But when I happen to see them speaking somewhere outside of their church or in their church I only see them. I only see them I'm talking about casting out demons And again, we covered this uh yesterday. It was yesterday. I think it was yesterday before yesterday when we showed that jesus the 10 times in the bible doesn't describe him or mention him casting demons out now We know he's probably done it did more than just those 10 times But just 10 times the bible mentions that But what about healings? 27 times at least What about other miracles 42 at least What about prophecies hundreds and so it's not that it wasn't the number one focus of jesus to Cast demons out of people now deliverance in the sense that we say deliverance Then yes, that was his whole goal so If that's if that's what your ministry centers around it's almost like your whole ministry If you have a ministry that's built on just baptizing people That's not a ministry. That's not that's That would be frauds and also because it's not what we're supposed to be doing Just let me just baptize all I'm doing is I go from country to country city to city Just I got a pool with me a little baby pool and I'm just baptizing folks. No That's not it either. There's a lot more to it and if that's all you're doing if that's all you're selling Then it is frauds and so I am trying to look up as many Possible as many different ones. I want to see as many possible And someone to send something to me if you disagree fine fine Give us an example of one that you would think or anyone else would think that is not fraud That is not a fraud because if we look and see If we look and see that someone is handling the text or doing something differently It's our obligation to say something because the norm is going to be and many trusted pastors or preachers or teachers That you used to listen to we're going to find that a lot of them have just kind of just went went left Kind of gone off by the wayside and so we need to Make sure that we are being uh diligent Filling vigilant in terms of keeping um the scriptures holding the sound doctrine and calling out bad doctrine That means that the person that might have a false teaching is a necessarily false teacher But we want to be um, we want to have fidelity to the text. Amen Uh, let's go next one Oh, that's right. I can't do spider monkeys question What do I think of islamic eschatal? I'm not familiar with islamic eschatology. Um My understanding of of islam begins and ends with their diversion of the scriptures and what it deals with jesus christ And so I don't do a lot of studying I just know that they're supposed to be listening to the people of the book And I know that they don't have and I I used to spend time trying to study islam Because of where I was and having all these muslims around me, but I don't I don't I don't put too much focus on them At all. There's just no need. So I don't know what their eschatology is like Uh, if it's like everything else, they believe it's flawed, but but also where I get the shirt This is a smart christian shirt.  This is this is Guys, let me just say this. This is one of the one of the absolute silliest things you could ever think of Not not jews. We don't but other people I see people They're fighting and clamoring to figure out who israel is who are the true jews. It's a it's a it's a it's a silly argument It's a it's a futile argument. It's so it's a it's a good way to waste time To try to figure out are those a true jew?  That's the ultimate thing. And so if you are a true ethnic jew doesn't matter The vast majority of ethnic jews The bible says the bible remember it the bible God says in it that he has given them a spirit of stupor A partial hardening, which is why you see is real the way they are They were told it was told that they will have a hard and hard They will turn their back on god and god is going to deal with them So this this fight it's almost like let's fight to see who can get who can get back on the titanic I've got tickets to get on titanic. So let me let me fight to get on there. No, that's that's silly Because it's a sinking ship now at some point in time is god going to deal with with the uh with the jews sure But he he's not doing it at present.  Yes But now let's go to x one and six and let's look what it says So when they had come together they were asking him saying lord Is it at this time you are restoring the kingdom of israel? He said to them it is not for you to know the times or epochs Which the father has fixed by his own authority But you were okay. So six and seven now. I don't know. I don't see how in the world That someone could say that this has anything to do with figuring out who the true jews are Um, it just it just doesn't uh, let's let me read your question again This proves that the jews uh that when jesus came comes back Yeah, that's not that's this this I don't see how it could be Um, he's it's not saying that who that when he comes back, he's going to put the true jews in the land No, the the the point is They're asking The the apostles the 11th at the time are asking. Are you getting ready to restore the kingdom to israel? at this time No, at some point in time he will Now it's not the way they that even they understand it. No Uh But he's going to come back to israel. He's going to establish his kingdom Even on this earth, but it's not this time in the meantime in the meantime just like I told peter Do what I told you to do take care of what I told you to do because again and this by the way This is another reason why some of us sometimes we tend to go looking at the early church fathers As though we should listen to their writings and hear what they had to say for what why even the apostles Think about this for a second guys. Even the apostles When they are standing in front of the lord Steel weren't kind of understanding things or had their own way of thinking when the spirit came upon them And they began to give scripture In an authoritative fashion. That's different. Well for the most part They were trying to figure things out themselves And so there was always a difference of understanding an opinion amongst apostles even when they had the holy spirit in them So Except for what they gave that was authoritative and what they did that was authoritative through the moving of the holy spirit They're still fallen men fallible men And so their thinking is okay Um because we've heard the prophets remember all their lives Judaism Judaism Judaism and so they're thinking that okay at some point in time the kingdom is going to be Reestablished and their their their understanding is true. It's just their focus is off so And I can understand here. You are walking with son of god And yeah, this this must be it. We're getting pretty close and that's not the case So no anyone that I don't know how they can come up with that as as a thought that That might be something to indicate that the true jews are not in israel No, no, uh before I get to you james. I'm gonna take a couple more questions so I can get get through some of these Do I think that uh day three of creation has a hidden Prophecy, uh, no No, uh, let's go to day three Genesis That would be genesis one Almost hyped in genesis three Okay, so let's go to genesis. I mean day three Uh, which starts off in verse nine then god said let the waters below the heavens Be gathered into one place and let the dry land appear and it was so God called the dry land earth and gathered the waters He called seas and god saw that it was good Then god said let the earth sprout vegetation plants yielding seed and fruit Trees on earth bearing fruit after their own kind with seed In them and it was so the earth brought forth vegetation Plants yielding seed after their after their kind and trees bearing fruit With seeding them after their kind then god said it was good There was evening and there was morning a third day. So now my question is going to be See if it's well I'm feeling to see how that could be some sort of prophecy in creation. I'm not I'm not I'm not I'm not catching. So you're gonna have to maybe resubmit the question again And help me understand because I don't I don't see that Why doesn't people seem to care about god anymore? Well, first of all, it's not like they they've always cared But people had better attitudes People were were nicer people were respectable You could be a horrible person, but you didn't let that show on the outside when you went out in public, right? You you put your best foot forward if you if you were getting your hair done ladies If ladies were getting their hair done Heck when I was a little boy when I was growing up they didn't go out out the house Uh with their rollers on unless it was an emergency, right? They didn't go to they didn't go to the store with her. You know if they did What would the ladies if they put a scarf on right? Why because you wouldn't present yourself a certain way And so the thought was that and by the way, we didn't have as many different plausible religions I should say I'll put it that way As we do today today, we've got a thousand religions and every everyone's feelings are just as valid as the next But even to to your question They're going to be more and more people that are one Not only turn them back on god, but be hostile physically publicly vehemently So but that's just what what was prophesied One the love of many is going to wax coat even amongst christians We're going to just our our love of god is going to wane not for christians People are going to fall away from the truth not from having not from believing But fall away from what we know to be the truth. They'll they'll leave that and they'll start letting other things be introduced Things that aren't biblical and so you just go to see more and more of that. So It's just what it's just kind of making way Preparing the way for for god. Anyway, in the meantime, let me do this. Let me bring on brother james How are you doing sir I'm all right. Can you hear me? I can we can hear you? Yeah, I first off I want to The one of the simple questions. Do you know that you are stretching me? Because this is something that I wouldn't wouldn't typically do because showing myself and and Make people vulnerable to others is not Something that within my comfort zone. So you are taking me out of my comfort zone Wait a minute. Hey man. That's a good thing. I wanted to just briefly describe how What happens if we let god be god and allow him to be in control of things because with I I've moved several times I've moved from california to louisanna to colorado to new mexico over the course of several years trusting god and one of those things that I did Is I came up with an acronym to remind me of some key values that I wanted to place of importance in my life and I encourage others to do the same And my acronym actually is smart because okay because the because there's the serve meekness authority relationships and then trust So serve I will serve in the areas I can serve others as god wants me to Meekness and all things I will do my best to To maintain remain humble to maintain humility and authority I will do my best to follow in the laws and the leaders god has placed before me And relationships I will invest in people and care about them and trust. I will trust in god I recognize he has a plan for me and that he knows how to accomplish it and it's One of the key things over the years that he's stretched me with is the relationships and Trust because I had to trust him to Do I wanted to form Get married form a relationship with someone and then you get married and I I went on christian mingle at the time and I didn't want to pay money but god said I want you to communicate with this person and So I paid the money to do it and I didn't get married But what god did throughout that time was let me grow He stretched me and grew me through that relationship and Even other relationships I had a stepfather who I I hated at the beginning But I let god change me and get my bitterness away and at the end he died from pulmonary The pulmonary pulmonary embolism uh I forget what all but basically all of his organs shut down at the end and But at the end My prayer wasn't that oh good god. You did you took him away from me.  I've learned to trust him Um It's it's amazing what happens when you trust him and you say, no, I don't know where this will read But I will follow Amen Amen, well the problem is when when we think that he should follow us Yeah Well that that is that is that is selfish in us wanting him to uh to trust or to follow us But our salvation literally comes from Us trusting him so Brother James meant listen. I appreciate I appreciate you You are a breath of fresh air Your your faithfulness and you're pushing through And as always like I said last week we come back. I think we'll be back again next week Come back on again next week. All right, brother All right. Thank you. All right. God bless you All right, Jeff, I will be with you in a second. Let me go ahead and answer a talk on it. What am I doing? Let me go ahead and answer a few more of these questions Let's see what you say what is the site uh that which shows greek It's like the mesering text beside the english I'm not sure I'm not sure what you're asking I'm not sure. Jeff. I'm not sure what you're asking I'm gonna take it though.  He said Take take these things away. Stop making my father's house a place of business His disciples remember that it was written zeal for your house will consume me And a court and so you're so yes, uh, that was pretty easy. Yeah, it is it is referencing Uh 69 psalm 69. I'm sorry. I'm letting something else. But so yeah, that that that is correct cg That it that is correct my friend Uh-oh should our love For god be equal to or greater than our fear for god. That's a good question well One the fear of god is actually Um kind of the kind of an awe of him But I think our love for god Because he speaks more of that than than the fear and the fear that he speaks of is more of an awe or reverence It's not a a being scared. Now you ought to be scared, you know to face him Especially if you are not his You ought to be afraid But truth of matter is if you are not saved you're not smart enough to be scared of him Uh, if you are saved then you're smart enough to be Terrified of him, but you're not terrified of him, but you are in awe of him But that only comes because you love him so much He loved us first and then we loved him And so I would say that what we ought to do is love him more than anything else I think people that that are just That don't love him at a high level aren't necessarily christians And I don't think there's a lot of a lot of different degrees of love You love them or you don't now I could be wrong on that part. Uh, just trying to Think this out as I as I'm speaking in but Um, I think you but I do I will agree say this though.  Why do we know that? Because the bible literally tells us that all of these nations are going to be at israel They're going to come now is was going to have some friends I pray that america stays one of israel's friends, but Nations according to god are going to keep coming at israel They're going to be nations that they should have driven out That are going to always be in the land. They're going to keep coming against israel The only time there's going to be this peace is during that time that's every year time that's of your period And in the middle of that last seven is when the bible says that this peace They have is going to be interrupted because he is going to break that covenant The one that they make this peace treaty with because they're going to be and I could imagine israel is going to be so tired So so worn out because of all that they've gone through at a certain point in time You know what just give us anything and so they're going to accept peace like everybody else But because they're israel because they're hated Make them think about it also that And that the israel hate is real not just from anti-semitic people not just from muslims But people who have no who don't have a dog in the fight They'll see israel versus palestinians and you know what those those zionists apartheid whatever whatever kind of name that you're coming with They're going to scribe that to israel, but To some degree they got it coming not because they deserved it that the people they actually brought upon themselves But it was brought upon them early on And god literally told them what was going to happen God literally told them. Hey, this is going to happen. So all right guys. Let me go over and bring on Uh-oh, what I just do if I could stop pushing buttons There we go. Let me go ahead and bring on Mr. Jeff. Hello Jeff. How are you sir? Well, well, well, how are you doing gory? I'm doing I'm doing wonderful. I'm doing wonderful. You have a wonderful haircut Oh, thank you. Thank you. I still got some hair. It's it's starting to try and catch up with yours now I think though can't tell you let me tell you quick quick story quick story. Tell you how I made money when I got to college When I got to college, um Well actually before I got to college I used to I I had messed my hair up somebody cut my hair A buddy said he can cut my hair and he couldn't he lied. I didn't know anybody.  So I cut it. That's all right So I learned how to cut hair when I got to college. You don't have a lot of money And I was playing football Problem is though the dining hall Is closed and that there was no n i l at that time.   Yeah, I didn't use a flowby. I don't know what a flowby is And and he's like block of seagulls or something man. And listen, I was charging I was charging three or four dollars for a haircut He said he said well, he said listen. Well, I'll pay you 20 dollars 15 20 dollars really So I got races in college. I know no no black heads. I don't cut.  No, I didn't I didn't I didn't have like that. No, I I I did not have that so You went to the wrong college. That's what you're saying Well, yeah, what yeah, yeah, I guess I guess so anyway, what's going on Jeff? Not too much. Not too much. I got my Tim Wharton's cup Yeah, your prison cup there or is it your Colts cup you got going. What is that? What is that? Is that coffee? Yeah, that's that's the classic Where's the camera? There we go. Tim Wharton's it's like the Canadian chain. I think you actually you guys have some in the States I think what is it like? Is that like a Starbucks or something? If it's more like a Dunkin Donuts style, okay, it's not that fancy. Yeah I have no idea what that is. I don't go I don't go for the Starbucks the whole thing. It's too much, man Yeah, I don't I don't know who or what that is, but okay Yeah, yeah Okay, so uh, I got a question about Zachariah, which you had tentatively answered Okay, and it's kind of one of those things where it's not an overly complex question. It's just hard to paraphrase And it's kind of all throughout rather than read an entire bunch of it I'll just kind of summary that we we understand that the angel of the lord is The angel that's among the myrtle Or myrtle tree or myrtle bush. I think that's right So that I understand but when it opens up Zachariah is talking with The angel that's speaking with And then he starts to describe The angel that's in the bush which again, and I think there's also Where is it here? There's also some horses Russet colored horses with them. So it would seem that it all fits together When you look at revelations when you look at some of the other end time prophecies that Zachariah is actually seeing some of this But the way that he interacts with the angel that was speaking to me And then the angel of the lord it almost seems separate and then at a certain point and I think it's in two Another angel approach. So the part that I'm having trouble with Especially in the English and I've looked at the greek. I've looked at the Hebrew and it's it's very hard to like find the identifying marker of a separate person hood Or is it all The angel of the lord and then the only time there's a separation is when another angel approaches the angel of the lord Okay, you gotta kind of load a question So if we go to uh, I guess when he's first introduced is Zachariah one eight Okay Uh, I saw it. Okay. Yep. I saw there before me a man riding on a russet Russet chestnut colored in white and then as that progresses He asked what those courses are and what's going on and then They say that they're the spirits going out, etc And then they respond to the angel of the lord who is among the myrtle bush Which is very Parallel to the burning bush type visual, I guess of the angel of the lord then when you flip The beige I think in two Yeah, so there's a good way to put it so in Zachariah two uh two He then starts to phrase the angel who was speaking to me But as you go through bouncing back and forth Through the actual phrases It's almost like they're separate But it's really difficult at least in the english and I haven't quite got it in the the greek or the Especially the hebra yet Is it actually a separate angel or is it still the angel lord that he's talking to? Well, there's at least two angels number one Uh, and so I'm gonna say Without without me. I've got to go look at it. I've got to go look at it But but like in verse three it says and behold the angel who was speaking with me was going out and another angel um coming out to meet him so um These are two angels that are not the lord That part I'm sorry go ahead like it's not Oh, no, I was just gonna say it's not necessarily you have to give an answer per se right now It's just that if you can take a look at it at some point when you have time to address it I'm just really struggling with trying to see the narrative of is it Angel of the lord another angel and then I yet another angel approaches or is it the one speaking to Zachariah? Is the angel of the lord and just the way that the english has transliterated it kind of muddles it I guess But again, you don't have to answer that now. It's just food for thought because that's what my original question was about and as you can see It's kind of hard to explain that in a q format Yeah, I would I'll tell you what I'll read it and um I'm gonna answer you tomorrow Right on and I got one more loaded question for you. Okay Kind of related to this Okay, it might be a little too philosophical. Maybe but I've just been noticing. There's a lot of parallels between The prophets and the visions and and the revelations are receiving Where there's at at one point. Jesus is the one or pre-karnic christ or in case of revelation. He's measuring Jerusalem or Jerusalem And then in other cases, it's a man And then in other cases, it's sometimes one or two of the prophets In those prophecies. They're actually doing the measure And then they're they're meeting with people, you know as as I'm a friend of fellow brethren with you Don't bow down to me all these things I'm kind of wondering because God is timeless And he has planned the end from the beginning When he's giving these Prophets end time or future prophecies Do you think there's an at least in a spiritual sense? Or metaphysical sense that they're actually interacting with future prophets To understand ask ask that again Yeah, so goddess. I'll just try some of this way. God is timeless Right, so he's outside of time not and when he shows his revelation. He has to show it in a way that man can receive it And when they interact with Other beings whether they're angel angels or messengers per se like what it says In the one I'm your fellow brethren like don't bow down to me like the worship me Do you think because God's timeless as he's showing each prophet their revelation or the vision that he's giving them that they're actually seeing into The same interactions that some of the other prophets are having because when you go to some of the Say future to Zachariah And then you go into say john's revelation. There's so many parallels where they meet with brethren or Other colleagues or the way it's worded. It's almost like you know these people they're elders of whatever So i'm kind of wondering if every single time they have these end time prophecies actually interacting with Future endeavors of other prophets. I don't only god can do that Well, I don't think so. I don't think so Because Even if we go and look at some of these some of these prophets They know what they're seeing but they're not still fully sure of everything they're seeing So they're not there at the end with the Lord. They don't they don't see it all kind of happening and You see some prophets even picking up on what another prophet said Doubtful that the prophet previous knew or even thought of a future prophet Kind of piggybacking off of it as a matter of fact at one point in time. I'm trying to think who it was It might it might have been It might have been josh. Well, I'm not sure I might have been in judges. I'm not sure But god says that when this happens This is oh ha ha The prophet is asking how is this going to come about and god just says that they'll know it When they when it comes about they'll know it when basically they'll know it when they see it And so even the prophet didn't get all of it didn't understand it and so sometimes The prophet receives these different visions or these dreams or these instructions And they don't fully get it for example Joseph gets a prophecy from god He has no idea what that prophecy means or how it's going to work out He's told about these sheaths.  So all he knows is that god has spoken to him And then he walks with god how it comes about don't know He's not he's not concerned about that. All he does know is that god will work these things out Just like when god tells moses what he's going to do with thero Well Moses doesn't get everything but when when it happens Moses ends up being the one that's doing all the talking Versus what when god told him to go and talk well, but I can't listen that lord So there are times god tells them something And they can't get now they understand as best they can And to the degree that god has maybe given some extra insight. I guess they would have more Understanding about it than let's say we would if especially for their hearing and prophecy But even then I don't think they fully understood all That is going to occur all is going to happen.  I don't because they did And people say that a lot a lot of times that they had faith in The coming messiah they had faith in in the pre-incarnate christ And then didn't recognize him when he was there Well, they well they they recognized he was god if ever they met him But here's the thing though if you're going to tell me that these the abrahams of the world That uh, the moses of the world The jeremiah's these eagles and so forth now they did a lot of them came in contact with the lord But did not know what he was going to do Because if you're going to tell me they did here's the problem They never spoke about it They never spoke about it not not not once not whether it was canonical or just in just in passing and so God would give them I'm sorry go ahead No, god would he's not giving them all inside. He's not opening up the books for them to see He'll give them what he needs to pass on because remember What jesus say i've told you earthly things and you guys struggle with that you can't handle that So how then can i tell you heavenly things and so to let you see beyond the veil let you let you look behind the curtains Um, you're struggling with what i'm giving you right now And certainly the people are the jews are and and be honest even us even us with the holy spirit in us We still struggle So I don't think they had this this true insight to be able to see even more than what they let on I think I think whatever they told us is what they saw Except for someone like a now they didn't they didn't describe everything like paul in his vision He didn't he never described what heaven was like he he couldn't he didn't he didn't give one description Could he have or at least tried he could have uh, but Even poor john He's given a description and we still struggle with the description that he gave he's doing his very best So yeah And that has a thing in the words of camera. I don't know if he's on there, but i'm with you on that Where is camera? I don't see camera you with me somewhere in there I'm sure he's in there, but yeah, so and that was the thing like i'm i am 100 with you on that one because That makes sense that they wouldn't be revealed everything and or even be able to comprehend it fully right It's just when they like case case in point Zachariah two five I think it is a man with a measuring line in his hand and I asked where are you going and he started speaking with this person There's a couple times when they interact with what seems to be Either at that time or That it's future to them which in most cases it is future to them A person that isn't necessarily an angel So it's almost like they're they're having a cross in time of spiritual or metaphysical meeting And i'm just curious as to why that's so difficult or even us per se To read revelation and like oh let the reader understand and it's a blessing if you can understand it and yet pretty much no one can understand it So it's kind of one of those things where it's like I feel like they might have had A slightly different experience that was also too much for them as well Hence why when they said I don't know what this means you you know lord I don't know what this means. Let me tell you what I've heard someone say Uh, and then I've got to go and fix some people sending something about the audio I'm gonna check that let me let me let me answer this question and go see if I can troubleshoot the audio in just a second, but I've heard this explaining it could be maybe maybe not that in revelation Uh, it'll be clearer in revelation Once that time shows up and the reader would understand But for us not being there. It's just not It's just it's we're gonna have difficulty, but at that point in time the reader will be able to understand So but let me do this real quick. Let let me go ahead and uh, let you go I need to see I'm seeing different people say something about the audio. Let me check this audio All right. Thank you, Jeff Thanks gory. All right Give me a second guys. You're gonna get some feedback Okay, guys can can y'all tell me how how's the audio sounding now? I took out I took off I took it off. Um So as a matter of fact, let me do this real really really really briefly. Let me All right, um, y'all tell me really briefly in the uh In the in the chats, how does the audio sound give me on the scale of one to three one being good You know, I let them do no a b c or d f Tell me how's your audio is it to use it a's it b's it c's it d's it f Um, I'm I'm not hearing the problems. I'm not seeing the problems over here. So you guys have to help me out Okay, okay, cool. Okay. I just want I just want to make sure Because don't go on this is this is the smart christians channel and there shouldn't be any problem with the mic Now and it could have been it could have been the connection with both of ours And maybe it did something. I don't I don't know. I don't know I wish I was more tech savvy because the truth is there's not a whole lot of troubleshooter. I can actually do anyway So anyway, all right, let me go take some more questions Oh, let me let me revisit sifas rocks He said that uh on the three day creation deal. He said seeds were created. Uh, oh Seeds were created on the third day Seeds were buried in a dirt Here's what I would say sifas. I this what I would do This is what I would do. By the way, let me can we just be honest You got a wonderful haircut You got I I like the whole look you got going on right there. I really do the bald head and the glasses I'm I'm pretty sure I'm pretty sure you're having to beat the young ladies off of yeah I'm pretty sure that's that's a wonderful look. It's a timeless look by the way But let me just say this let me let me caution anyone in this regard when it comes to Doing that you can find yourself in a world of trouble Why because now you're looking for a deeper Spiritual meaning allegorizing a text something where The scripture is just dead and say It's not there and you make an inference and so if you can read into the text there And find a hidden meaning there. Well, then you can do that all over the text You can do it all over the bible and then Who's to determine what the limits are? I think what this meant Was this next week Next week I'm going to show you guys. I'm gonna play you guys On the other channel one of the all-time Dumbest and I'm not listen. I am not exaggerating One of the all-time dumbest sermons Were you going to hear this person read into stuff? Try to find a hidden meaning to make a point When I tell you this is one of the one of the all-time and we've seen some all-time dumb ones the 85 percent That uh, jesus.  He was out of order um Abraham I mean when god spoke to adam adam didn't have a body We've seen some all this is going to be one and the how we have this guy gets his point Is because he's trying to read into stuff And spiritualize the text find the hidden meaning And we don't need to we we don't do a good enough job with the stuff that's on the surface the easy to see things so One one case in point I don't know if any of you all got a chance to watch the um the debate today with with jim osmond and michael brown But I thought it was pretty good debate and I and I thought I the good part about it was I think people who were Who are not cessationists or don't know what cessationists believe got a chance to hear them explain it Now even still folks still weren't live folks weren't paying attention Um because cessations don't believe that there are no miracles that god doesn't move. He they don't believe that But there was something A few things that were brought up like you are just you're like for example Dr. Brown brought up a a The issue about healing somebody Um and kind of reading into a text One is there anybody that jesus uh ever decided to not heal? Well, we know he we know he didn't heal everybody that he could have but then it takes a little bit of a turn And what ends up happening is is the discussion is to Do someone ever failing to heal and and and now I was in a chat and I said listen There's never a point in time where a person tried to heal someone and it didn't happen But michael brown is trying to make inferences inferences that it may have happened We don't have any examples of that and so let's just stick with the text If the text says this and we'll go with that if it doesn't say that Then we should not assume that what were that our assumptions happened or may have happened And then or try to build a doctrine or belief off of that so You can get in loud trouble trying to read into something Even even if you find some similarities in the text You can get into awful loud trouble if you do that. Amen. All right. Let me go ahead and bring in Uh, put them right screen Bring in manny How are you doing sir? Good good. What's up, Cory? How you doing man? God bless you brother. I'm I'm doing wonderful I'm doing one from awesome. How are you? I'm doing well. Do well. Just got home from work man. Okay, cool. I I wanted to to give you uh, you know, I just want to say thank you. Uh, thank you for praying for my for my little one, uh 11 month year old and I told you about that. He had a he had a cold rsv It was actually rsv. Manny. What's your what's your what's your profile name? Manuel corona. Amen. So because I want everybody to know um Um How long was what was that? That was about what that was a week ago two weeks ago. How long was that weeks ago kind of? Okay. Yeah Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, so uh, it was rsv. Um, they said it was last a month Uh, but by the grace god, he's good.  I think there's some that's something we should learn from little kids like that because Even even when they fall and they want to keep on getting up and they want to keep on doing You know what I'm saying?  Yeah, so I got two. Um Uh 11 month and a four year old and I and and last time I'm I I sent a message. I was like Hey, my my panellope my daughter she said hi Oh, okay Yeah That's a nice Every time I always have you on man. I always have you on, you know, listen when I'm at work because I work in fact express And so I always hear you when you come on at six and you know, um And I come in through the doors to the house and I come home. Is that oh you five you listen to the glory I like it.  I'm 34. Yeah, so the the the older you get the more you're like, you know, they'll be all right, you know um, it's kind of like The first child you have If the pacifier falls on the floor, you want to throw it away you want to burn it The second child the third child if it falls and we just you know Just wipe it off and you know, it's just kind of how it is Um, but when they're young and they're sick and they got a fever that I'm feeling good because yeah Because sometimes it can become something big A ear infection in the next thing, you know, you got you got surgery There's tubes in her ears or what have you or it could just be just, you know, it's a cold And so I get that I've been there. Um, the grandkids though I when they get sick at whatever But that's that one of not mine. There are my love them, but It happens they're gonna they're gonna have they're gonna have a thousand more fevers Uh and each fever you're gonna take serious Well, I take it back each fever you're gonna take serious if it's prolonged but Um, but yeah, I I've been there the usually the prayer is not so much for the kids is for the parents who are you know That's my baby. It's my it's my little man. It's my little my little lady, you know, and so I've been there. I've been there, but now my kids get sick.  I'm glad little Noah's doing doing well. I'm glad he's doing well. What what city are you in? I'm in uh, I'm in florida varro beach Okay, okay. Are you where are you are you from florida originally? No, no, I'm from bronce new york. Okay.  There's certain people that say that The people that say that are people that's been in jail or people from people from the northeast uh, east coast, so I said, okay, let me it's just one thing that I do now I listen to folks accent now When I when I first moved here, I moved back in 2020. Mm-hmm. And when the whole covid stuff the situation was happening, but um Everybody can know it's like But um, nah, man, I just wanted to say man, I really appreciate you man because I you know I've learned a lot from your studies, you know staying faithful to to to the word god. Thank you. I appreciate that And it's been and it's been rough for me and my family um coming out here, um, you know, especially coming out here. I mean my my wife has has uh family here, um and and still I'm with the in-laws right now because when 2020 came the whole crash Then everything went out And so it's been a little it's been a little tough, you know looking for a place because everything's so expensive right now Yeah, but we still by the grace of god man. He's he's gonna he's gonna help us Whatever his will is for us and so What I'm what I wanted to when I wanted to say is that you know, you answer my question on last time because when we move here We came into into uh, we was looking for a church And we went to uh into this church.   I was like, okay now I understand Uh, oh, what happened? Yeah Yeah, yeah, so I wanted to appreciate that man and I would I'm a worship leader. I came from another church and um, Oh, okay So so, you know, I like I I've been feeling so uncomfortable now because I because I'm still looking for a church and I left out of the church and so I'm like so frustrated at times because I'm like, man, I can't find a chair for my family and I and You know, it's been a little tough. I've been visiting other churches to see, you know, you know You know, hey lord, is this the church for me? This is the right chair So I wanted some advice from you. Um as for that, you know, because it's it's been it's been a little it's been a little rough for me You know, and I want to I want to worship I would say this and then I was this for everybody who's looking for a church home one Don't let what's the old saying don't let perfect be the enemy of good In other words, if you go fine, I got to find the perfect church They got to have all of these doctrinal ducks in a row. They've got to have this right They've got to have that right. They got to have that right. Well, then I would say to that person make sure you turn the mirror around. Do you have this right that right that right that right? Because you're going to a family that needs you Okay, and so they're not going to be whole they're not going to be perfect There's going to be something that you might have to just deal with but I would also say this So as you're going make it make a project out of it So if you're in a city or an area that's there's multiple churches Well, then make it make it a project go look around Check them out right take your notes Find out what you can about their doctrine what they believe look at some of their old sermons and so forth you know Make a research project and then begin comparing and praying about it And then decide and then I would even I would even let the people know that Hey, well, I'm in the process of searching for a church home. I'm going different churches And what ends up you'll be you'll one they'll they'll probably roll out the welcome wagon the red carpet They'll try to convince you Well, this is where you're going to be this white, you know And they'll they'll tell you why they think they're the best and this and that wouldn't why you should be there Which is fine. They should and then maybe maybe you get to talk to the pastor or one of the the leaders of what have you So Hi, sweetie Yeah, man, you know that reminds me of when I was um I'm gonna show you guys a picture one day When I was and I told my daughter, uh, matter of fact, I pulled her on on the camera yesterday but uh She looked she looked like I looked when I was six or seven And so I always mess with kids.  I had to get braces while you were guys. Oh, I'm sorry So yeah, you had But look at her look at she look she's not shy anymore. Look at she's not shy anymore Man, I feel so good now. I feel I listen I can I can in the broadcast now I think the lord that he's he's been using you man and and and you know, um, you know With your bible studies and pointed to the scriptures and and you know showing us that how you know You know false teachers out there, which I've been and I'm and and thank you know, thank the lord and listen I've been preaching the gospel in my job preaching the Oh and my co-workers. I'm giving out gospel tracks Um, just all to the glory of god man And I Motivate me. So thank you. I appreciate that I appreciate that Man, I love you all. I love you too. All right, brother. You take care Love you Corey. Have a good one, man. You too All right guys, I need to do something really really briefly give me about 25 seconds I see a couple a couple of very good questions that I need to go ahead and answer Get back to the question. Give me about 20 20 30 seconds. I'll be right back All right guys, sorry about that. Sorry about that Okay, um that little girl she had big pretty eyes, didn't she? Uh, let me go and answer some of these questions Okay, there was a couple that let's see where is this? Where is it at? Okay, Derek asked this is a pretty question He says is it a sin for a married christian couple to use birth control? I think it depends on what the birth control is. Okay now ladies and gentlemen family show so But you all are big people you are you are grown-ups you all are grown-ups As long as the contraceptive doesn't end a life that has been established in other words if If the seed has fertilized the egg as long as it doesn't end that if it prevents that from happening I don't know that there's a problem with that So I would probably say I I wouldn't have a problem with that at all now I think ultimately though Um, if if you if god wants you If god wants you to have these these children, I think you know, I think you should be in prayer for that Um, god is the one god is the one that is determining when life is going to be He will I think we ought to probably give him the opportunity to do that But but if a person um Now by the way, there are medical reasons why people have to uh, take birth control or some sort of some sort of preventative care to make sure that it didn't happen, but I'll let you all decide but when it comes to um, if the seed Fertilizes the egg Then anything that stops that whether it'd be 30 seconds after it happens 30 weeks after it happens 30 days after it happened that is still ending a life so all right I thought that was a good question though interesting question already answered that one. Okay How does escape goat uh foreshadow the christ? Well, something that john says Let's go to it as a matter of fact Because I think it's important notice you'll notice what john I think it's john it's john tucker one Um Let's see There it is John chapter one verse 29 He says the next day he that is john saw jesus coming to him And said behold the lamb of god who takes away the sin of the world Well, where does that come from that is coming from this literally coming from? Uh, the passage in in leviticus about the scapegoat So That's where that shows up from and so it is him who takes away this uh sins of the earth because he is the scapegoat in a couple different ways Um, he pays the debt But all the sins are also placed upon him when the bible says that he who knew no sin became sin That's exactly what the scapegoat does and so in becoming sin not that he is sin But he takes the place of sin or takes the place of the the sin offering and so in that regard. Yes Okay, um I was invited to a deliverance service wasn't it wasn't um Delivered hold on let me read from this way wasn't I delivered when I repented and jesus to come Okay Let's talk let's talk about deliverance shall we This is this is why I say that these deliverance ministries the ones that I've seen So let me just preface by saying that the ones that I've seen I can't talk about The ones that I have not seen so I won't make a blatant statement that all Deliverance ministries are fraudulent, but all the ones that I've seen Here's why one true deliverance Ultimate deliverance only comes from christ Now When a person places their faith in christ when they come to the lord as a believer Um, you have been delivered one from the penalty of sin What you have not been delivered from is the presence of sin and so sin is going to be around you and there's going to be other things are going to be in your life So let's say I've got a bad attitude anger issues Um, I've got some sort of addiction Some sort of lust what have you and I I want to be delivered from that So now we're not talking about in terms of our Our salvation we're talking about in terms of our earthly walk Well, how does that work? Can I be delivered from that and by the way are these deliverance ministries doing that? They are not they are not delivering you from that they can't deliver you from that And if they are purporting do that that is a lie and it's in it's fraudulent They don't have that ability. Amen Now what you can what they ought to do is what a church is supposed to do What the body is supposed to do if a person is struggling you go alongside that person And help them along so a person is struggling with Some sort of sexual sin someone is struggling with forgiveness or unforgiveness someone is struggling with you name it Well, then what happens is that church is supposed because part of the body If my right hand Is hurting if I got a cut on the bruise or whatever Then my right hand is not going to take care of itself. It little it physically can't do it That's where the left hand comes in If I if my leg is hurting my leg can't help itself But the but the rest of my body will kick in very with me If there's something happening internally in my body Man who was talking about his his son with the fever Well, that's literally the body kicking in and blood coming from other places It gets hot and warm. That's the body fighting off Well, the blood didn't come from right through the blood come from other places And so the way the body works the physical body is the same way that the spiritual body the church body should work also And so there is a part there's a process of being delivered from certain some things over time It could be these strongholds. It could be whatever it is Uh, but that's not what the deliverance ministers are doing But in terms of like being saved or in terms of a some sort of demonic issue That's what that's what christ does.  Let me go ahead and bring him on. Uh, oh, wait a second. Put on the right screen I'll go on. What did I do? There it is. There it is Hey, how you doing? I'm doing wonderful. I'm doing wonderful. How are you? I'm doing really well. I'm doing really well. Who are you? Who are you? Who in the world are you going to fight? You you where you going to go in the war on somebody? Somebody better look out Oh my gosh. Oh my gosh. I mean, it's it's it's really a privilege just to be here. It's it's really a privilege Just to be here on you on your channel. Where are you? Um, I'm actually in jamaica. Okay. Okay Yeah, I'm in jamaica. I'm man. I'm actually I'm actually in the jamaican army. Okay They're jdf But I'm saved. Amen. Amen. Amen. I'm saved. I'm saved. Um, I've been watching your channel know for like over over a year And trust me it has been the best thing One of the best things that has ever happened to me and you guys make me feel too good today Thank you Your teaching has been influential in such a way that um, I'm from I'm originally from a church that believed in the in trinity, right in the trinity teaching uh, I got um swayed into the oneness um thing because In jamaica, I realized that the oneness teachings have been What has been more prominent in in in in our country? And I I so happened to get carried away with with the whole teaching and everything and Oh after I got introduced to your channel I don't know. I just came up on your channel one day and and I started to watch and At first I was like a bit iffy. I'm like, okay. What is he saying? I One thing I realized that was most um prominent in in what you were doing is that you were teaching from the scriptures You were teaching from the scriptures and I'm like I've got to listen to this I got and the more I listened is the more I wanted to listen until I realized that Most of the stuff that I have been been been taught as a oneness Apostolic I realized it was just Heresy, you know, it was just heresy and I decided that hey If it's not written if it's not written in the word. I mean, that's it. I'm not gonna believe it If it's not written in the word. So, um, I One one thing I want to ask though And and and this is what I want to ask all right, so I'm a part of this oneness apostolic church. I I have In having this desire my wife and I um, we've been having this desire to leave because of all the different contradictions and all of that. I mean the tongue staying the tithing offering um, the past of being the moses Right He's like the moses He's a be all end all um and a couple other things like, you know They don't believe in the trinity Um, they don't have a high view of scripture Um, the slain in the spirit type of thing all of that stuff Um, recently I've joined I've I've had a a what's up group that I that I started Where I introduced a few of my my church brothers and sisters to be a part of the group and You know, we just basically go through the scriptures with them and everything um, I am very I am very prominent in the church Because I I basically do everything. I I am the musician. I'm I'm I'm the one who is the call to guy the call on guy anything at all they call on me recently I've had a Discussion with the pastor and I told him that I don't believe that what he's teaching is the right thing and Um, I read the thing that he should reconsider the things that he's saying Um, telling the people that that they're under a curse if they don't give money and all of that stuff I mean, I literally told him that that This is not right Right. This is not right. This is this is literally you Manipulating the people and all of that stuff and and I don't think that is right And he told me that he's not gonna he's not going to change his perspective But I've seen where most persons have have really grown To appreciate the what what I have done in terms of being a part of that what's up group and challenging them on uncertain points And I've seen where there has been a lot of growth In terms of what other persons believe because when they listen to what I'm saying And I'm saying that okay if it's not in the scripture We show me we're in the scripture that you find are these people in your there are there in your church or just from just part of that group Yeah, they're they're in my church. Okay my church See, I would say this I would say this You want to be part of a a good bible believing church healthy church But sometimes and I've seen it happen where an unhealthy church There's no rule that says an unhealthy church can't become a healthy church Because all it takes is the word and some people that are strong about it And so it might be that you just be the guy that listened I'm gonna stay here not because I love what we're doing, but I love you guys and I'm gonna fight Now you may not be able you may not be able to win But you might be able to light a fire in some I'm not saying to stay or to go Because it's a case by case basis. There are times where you have to where you should where some people should stay At a church that isn't as biblical as they should be Because if if you know only you know this But as you said if you're having influence on some people who if you left Then what would happen to them? I had a conversation. This is when I was um, uh, uh leading the church This was I forget how many years ago, but a brother said I'm not going over there because That church y'all just fully hypocrites He said now he said not not not true brother Cory, but but some other I said well, listen Help me out. Help me understand this If the church has a bunch of bad sales in it And you are a good sale If you leave what's going to happen less of a good sale. And so maybe maybe You you benefit others. I don't know you you'll know this And they'll know this but if you're leaving might also help other for I mean you're staying might help Other people who are growing and they're starting to see Now what you really want to have happen is one of two things That is if you stay there one of two things would happen if you stay there and you stay on the same path one More and more people are going to start seeing the scriptures for themselves and studying for themselves And that that might end up being even the pastor and the leadership there themselves or They might get tired of you and put you out, which is a good thing that meant that meant that you were doing enough That it's become bothersome to you and then God will deal with them, but If all you're doing is sharing the word you're going you're asking questions Um, here's what the scriptures say tell me why I'm right to why I'm wrong and so forth If people are getting a benefit out of that you might you might want to stay now At the same time though, you got your family to worry about as well. You want to you know, you want to be in a healthy So it would be really on a case by case basis but I I've stayed, um Not mean that was not like I've been in a lot of different churches But I've stuck around before so, you know, let me see if I can be some sort of benefit And if I couldn't well, you know, it's time it's time to go But if you're helping some people The the brother I'm I'm literally seeing people texting me anonymously Brother chris. Um, they call me minister chris minister chris I keep on doing what you're doing.  I'm literally getting Anonymous text text messages telling me that I mean sometimes I would get an opportunity just to to exhort and and stuff and when I when I basically Present what I am saying from the scriptures and people can see literally that that What are you saying? It's true They can literally see it. I mean And and I think that is what that is what has has really kept me there so far But my only issue is that I have three boys and and and I don't want them to grow up with this I don't I just don't want them to to have this sort of exposure to this apostolic environment where you know, they're telling that you have to tarry for the holy ghosts and all that stuff Well, that's just my only issue This may be one of those deals where because it Again, I'm not the lord But it sounds like this might be one of those deals where you might have to stay this might at least for the time being because If it sounds like you are benefiting some people and they'll be hurt by you leaving Or who knows maybe this is the beginning of you Becoming the leader maybe out of that church, but of another church I don't know what god is doing, but he's he's certainly doing something And so maybe this is also going to benefit your kids. I don't know I'm just throwing things out there where your kids your boys are going to see listen. This is my daddy's fighting My daddy my daddy is he's not he's not leaving.  Where you literally spend your time fighting for the souls of those people? Wow, that's a good pastor, huh? And so maybe maybe this is what you're supposed to be doing Maybe you should be there and maybe when you do leave make some folks are going to mess around and and follow you Maybe maybe the pastor might be convicted. Who knows? Maybe the lord removes him and now bam. There you are So I now I don't know Because the flip might be that maybe you ought to leave I Pray but while you're there as long as you're there keep doing what you're doing Keep benefiting the people because it it may even hurt you when you leave. You know, yeah, I can't I can't I gotta I gotta go back so or when you think about leaving it might it might bother you so much so pray Consider your family consult your family and and keep praying some more fast You know get closer to god and let and let him be Ultimately the direction and then keep talking to other people and see you know get keep getting counsel But that's what I would do. That's what I would do. I wouldn't you don't have to decide to leave right now You you you can you can leave next week next month next year Yeah Thank you. Thank you. No problem Let me go ahead Let me go ahead and let you go. I hate to let you go but I gotta I've got three more people Matter of fact, hold on one second. Hold on one second. Let me say right there Let me bring this lady on because she's I'm not sure if she's saying that she's also from Jamaica or not So, let me go ahead and put her on Love to meet you in person. Hello my chat family. I love you guys. Um, I have all Jamaican children So I know Kingston very well. Um, my children are all of That so I kind of like the the Jamaicans. They they have a love for the full figure woman. They are very You should see my wife. You should see my wife.  Yeah, big up big up Of course, I didn't know you can join all of us. Well, my question is what is your take on Carlton Pearson? Is he a heretic or Well, let's ask christopher Pastor christopher, what do you think? What is your take? I know that he is a great He was and he started a lot of things out that was in god But I believe he kind of straight as I was watching him and some of the people that he is connected to Which is a larry reed live and It's very mystical very Scientology Just on the cusp to me of just being a false teacher. He turned somewhere along the way Something happened to Carlton Pearson and the way that he looks Is devastating because usually when you're in christ, like I don't know about you guys But I've been to funerals of people that are saved have really lived a sanctified life They just look like they're sleeping and when they're not as as old and aging as he looks.  I mean so you are not going to be the my father had cancer and When he passed Different size different person from from when he uh from when he was uh when he was healthy But what do you what do you know very much about him christopher? I'm yet holding on That was his thing I I grew up I grew up on on listening to to to Carlton Pearson and He it was very influential to me. I love the songs. I love um, I love this ministry and everything but after After realizing that he came with this new Thing this new awakening to say that um, then no one is really going to hell and I'm like, how can you say that? I mean jesus literally Said it. So why why are you gonna change all of that? So I don't know his heart. I don't know his heart um, and I pray I pray that he finds his way, but I'm not feeling him anymore Yeah, I I think this it's when you see a person say uh going through what they're going through emotions kick in and you don't want to say anything That might be that might come across as mean or tone deaf or uh insensitive But the fact of the matter is the bible is clear the bible the bible is not written. Um In warm colorful letters.  So and listen, I love his songs I lift it the uh because I started off in the charismatic church and listen to those songs man. I was I love I love this Gift when you call that gifts without repentance. No, no gifts without repentance is is referring to uh to israel um, okay, okay, that's But I I I would say this though. Um talent isn't a isn't necessarily the same thing as gifting spiritual gifting. There are people that Um, that are atheists. There are muslims. There are buddhas that have a lot of talent. Uh, and now Ultimately, where does that get? What does it come that does come from god? But it's not the numitikon and so because someone can write because listen let's be honest Christian artists are good but In most cases the secular artists tend to be a little bit better in certain things, but which is fine Because they they they don't they don't worry about compromise Whereas the the christian artist does i'm not gonna do this. I'm not gonna say that i'm not gonna you know what I mean The christian artist is up singing Shouldn't be out there trying to show off as much as let wouldn't use can can can can do what you want to do She can go through every run and have every vibrato Uh, uh Signature in her in her in her voice as you want to mariah carry or Beyonce or whoever else out there They can do those things us No, and so we've got a line across that line is holiness. We don't cross that line and so Just because he's talented and I hate to see what he's going through But jeez we didn't do it the lord didn't do it. He did that so yeah, yeah And the fact that matter is to go through what he's going through and steal Steel not That mess is it's mess. It's crazy to me. So that's why I said well, maybe I don't know god doesn't tell us about how people with the reprobate mind looks But if I would be the judge of character in that situation, it would be carlton pierson Um, because you just don't know when you're of a reprobate mind god Just let you go ahead and do what you want to do And you don't know that you have the reprobate mind It's just you that has it because he's allowed it you've turned your back So he's allowed to go ahead do it because he says in his word though If you're going to to sin or you're going to do that do it well Continue on that that that road that you're going to go down because That's what you want to do The thing about a reprobate Is the reprobate doesn't know it But yeah, we do we it's obvious to us and so And unfortunately a lot of folks in that in that category too I know These warning passages Right. Be careful that there may not be an unbelieving heart in you Right. These are the warning passages that we we we can use to judge our own selves Amen So, let me do this guy. I got I got I got two more guys.  What is it?   Keep going as long as you have faith. You're good. Amen. All right, y'all Thank you Okay, let me bring on. I've got a couple more people to bring in tomorrow I'm when I pull it back up. I've got a couple more questions to go through before I bring on Am I saying this right segun and then also brandon before I bring one really briefly Let me answer a couple of these questions as well that's been sitting there. Um I don't what you drew just drew just send me an email drew already just send me an email. Thank you for a super chat Send me an email. There was a question Um Krista she says how would you advise christians to talk to to with gen y and gen what is gen y? Who is gen y? gen is that the is that the who Which which is who is gen y? I don't know gen z. I know what they are But uh, if you're if you're talking about disrupting young folk How would you it the same way that you would anyone else just genuinely don't you don't want to this what you don't want to do And I'm saying this as a as a former young adult and youth pastor You don't want to try to be what they are speak their lingo and so forth whether because you're not you're old Now I'm not saying how I don't know how old you are krista Um, but if you are their age, well then just be you whether you're their age or not be you Be the be the genuine person who loves the lord and they'll see that Um, I could get on these kids And and they think I don't understand them, but but what they respect what they Appreciate is any sort of love that I showed them. They knew that I cared about them And I cared about them one because of that they're human beings But also because of the lord and so they see that they get that and they're and they're that's that's how you speak to them Amen. All right, so let me go to Bring in sick am I saying this correctly? I don't know if I'm saying correctly or not, but we'll see is it sagoon Did I say it correctly? Yes, it is shagoon shagoon. Okay. How you doing my friend? I'm doing very well. So curry good Good afternoon. Hey, well good. Well good afternoon. You too. I'm in wyoming. So wyoming. We don't know if it's absolute Yeah, okay. He owe me wyoming. Okay Listen, I had a when I when I I had a girlfriend That uh, that's from that was born in wyoming And I asked her how you must have been the only black person in wyoming She said no, there's a couple of them. And then I found I found the third person from wyoming I'm the only black person in my church. It's Praise god anyway, praise god. Praise god. What's going on friend? Thank you sir. I I just want to say thank you for you know, your teachings and everything I'm from originally from Nigeria And I don't know I've heard you say sometimes that the prosperity gospel and all these spiritual things Are prevalent in in Africa Which is true because I also have two questions for you, sir I have people in my family that I do care about and I see them falling to You know, all of these false teachers false prophets as at two days ago A family a family of mine invited me to Um a zoom prayer or something like that and when I got there this woman was speaking in tongues Then she started telling them like hey god told me to You know, tell you guys to take like sugar and pour sugar around your house for Corrections where your life would be sweet or something like that I should also say something about putting salt into Your bath water to bath and you know telling them to dip their hand into onion And I think my first question would be How do I tell my family members that hey Look at what you're doing. This thing you're doing is not biblical And I just think because of my past they look down on me and say Are you not the one we grew up with like what do you know about the bible and things like that? That's my first question and my second question is like It's also relating to this. How do I tell people that I have friends that listen to Lovi how do I tell them like hey this man is also a false teacher My last question will be As a young man, how do I stay away from? um sexual sin Okay, the first two questions are are easily related. What it is is this uh What is in the bible and so they could look at your past they can look at my past or anyone else's past the question is What does the scripture say?  It's going to get your ants. It's going to get your insects in your house What's going to do? Uh putting salt in your bath water you better have an opening or a cut in your body That's for sure. So don't do but listen if it's medicinal fine, but if it's something that's supposed to be spiritual Now we got a problem. And so number one I'm keeping my distance and I would tell someone what's more important the person or the word And if what's not if you don't get that understanding from the word Then don't let them bring it to you And then for some people maybe you do want to highlight some of the things that they said that's off That's wrong. That's just ungodly I think love your lives is pretty easy to demonstrate how how bad he is, but there are some people that are just so Gone they're going to be some folks that are just going to be bought into false prophets false teachers That they themselves are also in that same category now You love them You don't want them to go down that track or whatever But all you can do is all you can do which is just warn them give them the word If a person gives and so you ask them what if I if I can show you some obvious Apparent easy false prophecies and clear false teachings Would you still listen to him or would you now turn to the word? What's more important? First I'll ask them what's more important the word or lovy or whoever else you listen to they're gonna say the word Everyone's gonna say that Even they don't really mean it and then okay. Here's what this person says Is that what the bible says lovy says that adam just one easy one adam didn't name the animals If anyone says adam named the animals he's alive. Well, let's go read it And that's clear. So if he can miss that what else is he missed? He's one of the ones that said that If it's not in the bible Which I understand why he says that but because it's not in the bible doesn't mean That it's it's that it's wrong. We shouldn't we shouldn't avoid something something because it's not in the bible Well, fine fine lovy I'm not gonna listen to them and if they want to you warn them do the best you can Uh, but just keep sharing the scriptures Make sure What you can do to counteract false teachings and false prophecies when you're trying to lead someone away from that Is have it so that they they can see you As a strong believer and a strong and strong in the word if they think that you know the word Then they don't know lovy lives But they know you So if they see that you're strong in the word with an amen, they'll follow you What was your last one? Oh about about sexual sin or lust or what I have you was that what it was? Yes, sir It's the same with everything.  Get closer to God all of our problems whether we our problem is christians Is really the same problem as nonbelievers Proximity the closer you get to God The better the the closer you get to him The further you get away from whatever the sin is the whatever the temptation is As you grow closer to him Then the lust the temptation all those things they're further away But if you want to deal with those things if you want a 12 step program to deal with this Well, then you while you're dealing with that you're you're getting yourself further away from God Go closer to him. He knows better how to clean us up than anybody else can amen Yes, sir. Thank you, sir. No problem. No problem I'll listen. I would love to spend some more time with you, but I've got I've got to run and I've got to bring in branding real quick Um, so again, we come on next week Show show back up again. All right my brain Thank you. Thank you, sir. All right Okay, let me bring in branding How are you doing friend? Good. How about yourself? Can you hear me? I go listen? Can I I can really hear them pull you down a little bit go ahead and start talking to fix your volume Good stuff. Uh, just my microphone. Yeah, you're fine. You're fine. You have a radio voice You know that hey, well, thank the lord. I guess that's the preacher in me Hey, man Yes, sir. Well, my name is brandon. I am a ordained minister with the nana pentecostal church international And uh, I was watching some of your videos before. I know you have had a look like it was a little bit unpleasant opportunity Uh, in a gauge with some of the ministers that are part of uh, you know genus organization Uh, well, you're one that's been one or two one. I think we're one or two of them. Yeah Yeah, and I know uh, as you probably already know, there are different textures of onus pentecostals And they do have a view of onus that I would say is a minority view among us And that I was one of the chat asking uh for your email because I would be interested and maybe at one time Maybe engaging with you on a onus view because their view is not the normative view among us But I did have a question in particular coming from the book of malachi to see your viewpoint of how you approach the scripture And I don't want to move fast that I know you like you're getting your bible Go ahead. I'm ready. Oh malachi the third chapter Dealing with starting with uh The text where it says uh here Then or where is the god of justice? I am about to send my messenger who will clear the way before me Indeed the lord you are seeking will suddenly come to his temple And the messenger of the covenant who you long for is certainly coming Uh, and of course I would see this as a messianic text The lord who is coming of course will be the prophetic indication of the christ that is to come The lord who is coming who has been the speaker throughout the text He has previously before coming to chapter this chapter Three has identified himself as the lord of hosts all throughout the book The identifier as the lord of hosts He has made himself known by that. I think by the last count. I've took person about 17 or 18 times throughout the book In chapter two in chapter one He is using that title. He has identified himself several times as the father Uh from your vantage point as a trinitarian seeing of the distinctions of the persons or Distinguished, I'm not sure if you're a monarch or social as a trinitarian How would you see that as a trinitarian believing that it's god the son who was incarnate and that would be my question. Thank you well With this particular text and it really depends upon who you're asking because some are going to make this to to apply to jesus during his earthly ministry Uh, and I can see that and then there are those that say this is going to apply to him Um at his last coming And that there will be a third temple built and so this is going to refer to it And the reason for that is because it says but who can endure the day of his coming Well, uh, is that to be is that to refer to some sort of in times view? when he comes In verse in verse two Is he coming with judgment and who can stand when he appears for he is like a refiner's fire and like the fuller soap And he will sit as a smelter and uh and purifier of silver And he will purify the sons of levi and refine them like gold and silver so that they may present To the lord offerings and righteousness and so now in this case This is why and I I've kind of adjusted my view at at one point. I used to look at this as though This was him uh during during christ incarnate stage During his earthly ministry But I see this as not at that time but more towards the His second coming because of what I just read. This is him coming In judgment Now, how do I now now? Uh Refresh your question again. How do I how do I reconcile this with what? Seeing that he has identified himself right before this chapter begins as does say of like uh In chapter two at verse 16 Same speaker says the lord of heaven's armies all throughout the book He's giving this signature mark if you will this does say the lord of heaven's army Only issue is throughout he's already I think two or three times Made it clear that he is the father using the same signature which passes on Which which passes is he called himself the father using the signature? Let's see go back to chapter one Uh If you just want to start even with the illusion in chapter one at verse six Which he builds an illusion just with that person where he says a son natural honors a father And a slave respects his master if I am your father Where is my honor if I am your master? Where is my respect the lord of heaven's armies ask you this increase who made light of my name That will be the first one you go to malachi. I'm sorry. My vision is playing tricks on me again 210 Do we do we not all have one father do not one god? Excuse me did not one god create us Uh, then that's just a curse or me just grabbing them with my vision Same speaker from what I can tell and then when we come all the way to chapter three He's identifying himself still as the lord of heaven's armies. Yeah, but where does he call himself the father and either one of these? Chapter one where he is making his appeal to the priests for their irreverent behavior for not Taking heed to the statues in chapter one. You said uh, it's verse six, right around six Okay, so Verse, where's it at? So it says a son honors his father And a servant his master Then if I am a father If I'm a father, where is my honor and if I am a master Where is my respect one of the things that and the Hebrew and and jews who who certainly aren't trinitarian Even they will us will describe the fact that The messiah will be like a father Not the father. They're not they're not taking the trinitarian view either. Okay, uh, same thing with, uh Isiah nine That and he shall be called wonderful counselor. Uh everlasting father. I mean mighty god everlasting father That is to say it's idiomatic that he is Being a father and so in this regard he says am I am I am I am a father So is that to say that he is calling himself the father? Well, no because that that comes up. Uh in other cases as well as matter of fact A couple of other passages hold on one second. I'm doing this kind of uh on the fly Take your time Let's see Yeah, there there are a couple passes. I won't I won't go through those But there's other there's other passages that as we can close this out Um, I'm just pulling some some uh some notes as well But I don't see him calling himself the father But what I am saying is this though What we can't get around and even even if we still kind of struggle with Uh, reconciling certain understandings One thing that would be hard to uh wouldn't be hard to reconcile. I don't think it is is that The lord is god The god is god is the lord the lord is god that part. I think it's pretty clear according to run before And there is no other lord. There is no other god But then also that jesus is the lord the very same lord that's spoken of There as well as in um In the new testament when paul is speaking of the lord He's referencing isaia and and that lord is is still the same lord that's called god paul in calling jesus the lord referencing isaia because most of paul's references in romans Is referencing isaia He's calling him the lord and you must confess him as the lord And so whether we even use the term trinity or have you or try to use the exact same even the diagram What we what we should be able to see is that the lord is god And jesus is the lord and at in exodus 3 We see moses show up and and The name or the title that's subscribed to whoever it is in that bush is the lord god The angel of the lord and so All of these are synonymous with each other and then the title um um Okay, which is i am who i am from the first person standpoint or yaway From the third person standpoint Those are also ascribed to to jesus as well And so because of that, I think it's I think it's I think it's uncommon for us to realize it Whether we want to use the title trinity We can still see that jesus is the lord and the lord is god. That's how I see it Oh, yeah, you know, I'm uh and again my approach is probably a little different than someone as people I don't really fault trinity for for using the words. I think that's a little ignorant Because one english language didn't even exist I get terms because you know, we make short terms to express what we're saying More my issue is is the term or the concepts behind the term biblical because If a person is saying like, you know, I believe in a trinity of manifestations I'm like, well, that's what you mean. I agree. You know, so I wouldn't fault anybody for that Do you do you agree that? Well, would you would you agree that jesus is the lord who is god? Oh, of course. I'm oneness. Uh, uh, I'm a oneness pentecostal. I believe in definitely that jesus is god Okay, now explain it because I don't I don't want to take up take up too much time I'm sorry explain. No, you're fine. You're fine. Um, how would how would Would you explain them as a co equal co eternal all existing at the same time yet still one? Well, that would be the difference. I don't uh My understanding of the godhead I don't I believe in distinction, but I don't believe the distinction is intra the nature of god I believe the distinction is uh extra the incarnation Remain distinction that exists is is per the incarnation per the divine nature in the uh human nature I wouldn't see this distinction as something enter the godhead. I believe that Personally that god is interpersonal within the divine essence and that in the fullness of time that god incarnated And took on the fullness of a human nature not a flesh suit as Let me ask you this. Let me let me let me paint a little diagram. We'll picture Okay god the father in heaven Sure When jesus was on the earth God the holy spirit all over the earth god Jesus Walking in his earthly ministry god while at the same time the spirit of god is all over the earth God while at the same time the fullness the father god the father is in is in heaven god Is that would you would you agree with that? I believe that in the incarnation. He was fully incarnate almost like And excuse me if i'm using Theological terms to and to a point where it's confusing to make some listeners, but it's almost like a modalistic form of extra calvinistic I believe that he existed fully in the incarnation, but because he's god He's still fully existed outside of the incarnation He was still fully god in christ and still fully god outside of christ that the incarnation by no means Limited him by expression in and out So he was fully revealed visibly by means of incarnation, but he was still fully god outside of the incarnation I guess so so let's so let me see if i'm well, let me see if i can bring you to what i'm saying Jesus in his earthly ministry fully god Okay, at the same time that in his earthly ministry walking around in sandals fully god Also the spirit of god on the earth Fully god at the same time Also in heaven Fully god god the father is in heaven while at the same time We've got jesus walking in his earthly ministry, but god the father fully god is also in heaven He's fully god on earth and fully god in heaven at the same time Okay, so we're gonna do it We're gonna we're gonna we're gonna send we're gonna send you a new a trinity a new trinity membership package So that way that's what that's a thing because as a trinitarian Technically, uh, you believe god is omnipresent also because what you would be proposing about your question is that god is spatially limited and uh, no, what what and That we if you go back to the early reformers This is what actually with the early uh calvinus and lutherans debated on when it came to community. Yeah, but see I don't want I don't want to talk about them. I don't talk about the I'm trying to show you the the you what you're what you're proposing is with the early lutherans You're proposing in their era of communion Is that when you're dealing with one of the divine persons from a trinitarian standpoint that technically You don't believe at least you shouldn't believe from a trinitarian standpoint that the god the sun was limited in the incarnation You technically believe he was still omnipresent. He was still upholding all things by the power of his word Do I do I think that that jesus in his earthly ministry Was limited Is that what you're asking? Like you you don't believe in canada system. Do you what do you mean? Like in philippians 2 epicanosis that you don't believe like he emptied Omni presence to be incarnate. Do you we know that he emptied something the bible doesn't say exactly what it was We know to some degree had to be some of his glory because he literally prays for his glory back uh in john um in john 17 So now to what degree don't know the bible didn't tell us but he the word that's literally there is um that he did empty himself of something Now what the something is to what degree the magnitude the mechanics behind it don't know But the word is literally there and we do see that uh, There is a veil a veil in this to his glory Because again, he asked for this glory back He's father. I have glorified you now glorify me and give me back the glory that I had with you in the beginning So he's literally asking for back what he had initially And we know that it's his glory because he says it's glory now Is that the same thing that he says he emptied himself of in uh, uh, uh, when paul is speaking Possibly if not what what then I don't know Uh, so I i'm never i'm never gonna always be dogmatic to say that he emptied himself of his glory But to say that he emptied himself of something He could not be in his full form Uh, the fullness of him before us. We are not just like with moses We are not going to be in the presence of his full glory and then live he can live We can't and so if he's going to come and do just as leviticus 1711 says he's going to do what he's promised to do and then come to um Be the one that brings the blood himself Well, he's not coming in in his full glory. That's not going to happen and then us still live So, uh, he emptied himself of something to what degree don't know it was it was a glory I would say so, uh, could it possibly not be glory? But he certainly asked for his glory back. He prayed for his glory back in john 17. So Where was it where what to what degree was his glory? There during his earthly ministry and then also what was his uh, what did he empty himself of so um And I I can't remember the I can't even remember the uh The question that I asked but uh, do I believe that he that he did veil himself of something intentionally? Was he limited uh intentionally during his earthly ministry? In other words, was he here and there and everywhere at the same time during his earthly ministry? No, um, because that was his prerogative. He he voluntarily did so Uh, but at the same time is that him prior to his incarnate incarnate state and after no And and does he still exist? Yes. He's always been and always will But he came as he says in a form lower than man I mean than angels and so he voluntarily limits himself But that didn't take away from his identity who he is For that particular person similarly when we see God show up the angel the lord speaking to Hagar or speaking to Abraham or Isaac or Jacob or to um Joshua or Gideon still called God Uh, but not as full glory I I got a question for you. Okay. If because because that's classic conodism. Um, if he is Even for a moment he has changed in any shape form or fashion his divine essence How does that uphold the doctrine of immutability? Well, who says that that's changed his essence? If he if he has Changed one of the divine prerogatives, which is omnipresence one omnipresence is one of the non-negotiables Of the divine attributes. There's no omnipresent What it what happens is this We start filling out blanks and checks and and boxes as though we know how God has to has to be how he is All we can go off of is what we know. We don't know. We don't know a lot about him All we know is what he's revealed one in scripture and then in in his son, but Do we fully know everything there is to know about God and his existence? No Absolutely not Being being God God being omnipresent Omniscient and all powerful These are non-negotiables when they come to these are not non-negotiables when they come to being God What i'm saying is you and I can't say that the rules state that he could not that that if he that he limits himself In some way that that means that he has gotten rid of some of his essence We can't we don't we we don't make up the rules for him And so all we know is that Jesus and the problem is sometimes we get hung up because we can't quite make this fit Or we can't quite understand which is fine. I'm fully I'm fully comfortable with saying that I don't fully understand God And I'm fully comfortable saying that no one does none of us have As a matter of fact, none of us know him except the son And so therefore If I try to ascribe to him what I think I know about him I'm going to fail and at some point in time. I know this Jesus is the Lord the Lord is God Was Jesus in his earthly state in his incarnate state was he limited? Yes, but now it was voluntarily because just like he wanted whenever he wanted to he could pick up pick up his Obnitions when he wanted to when he's talking to philip. He tells him. I'm not philip. Um, oh lord When he tells me I knew I knew where you were thinking underneath the tree or I knew what he knew what was in their hearts He knows Because he still is God he can divorce himself of his godly parishes when he wants to but he still be God He didn't have to use all of his attributes. He didn't want to know how does it work? I don't know. I'm not God never been God would never be guided So I don't know the mechanics of how he how he exists All I do know is what it plainly states is that there is one God And the Lord is God and Jesus is the Lord. That's one Lord. There aren't two lords. And so if there's one Lord Who is God? Jesus is the Lord within therefore I'll I'll put that in in the on the shelf is that's a hard and fast understanding I know that I'll also put on the shelf that God the father who exists eternally in heaven And all his fullness has always been the way he is and always will be Um, and then same with the Holy Spirit now, how does it all work? Don't know you can put it you can put together a diagram. You can put together a chart. You can put together a A doctrine of dissertation. You still wouldn't come up with with a full understanding of God's um Of who God is totally And so he's revealed to us What he's what he's revealed to us But what he's revealed to us isn't all that there is to be revealed We'll know him even more so when we're with him, which is what he tells us And so we have to be just as human beings Comfortable and also humble enough to say, you know what this is what I think but it's not what I necessarily know All what I do know is some of these hardcore facts that Jesus is the Lord one two The Lord is God three there is only one God and he shares his glory with no one else Which is what he says and so How does that work? How do the mechanics work? If I lift lift the hood up and look at it? Well, I don't know But the things that he shared with us that we do know we know those things and so um Jesus Did empty himself of something do you think that he emptied himself of something? No, because I am the Lord and I change not so when so when paul says that he emptied himself What did he empty himself up? What was that with you if you look into the greek language? I would uh, I would highly advise. Well, let's go to it Let's go to it. All right. Let's let's go to philippians to the carmen christie I think if uh, this has been a an area of contention even among trinitarians. Okay, so so how do we take this? Let me let me pull it up on my logos here And by the way, uh, why why you're saying that kurti? I'm gonna ask your question and then we'll and then Uh, I haven't I haven't forgotten you kurti. I'll get to your question just a second And then that'll be the last question after I'm speaking with brandon And I thank you for your time again. That's no problem. No problem You ready? Oh, yes, sir. Uh, you have the same attitude toward one another that christ had Who though he existed in the form that word formed there, of course being morphe the form of god God there being in the genitive uh, definitely Meaning that this is the form belongs to god the word form some try to make this word as a primary meaning to being like The nature but form always means uh, something that deals with the outer This is or something that strikes Something that's seen on the outside In instance something that is regarded did not regard equality with god as something to be grasped the presupposition that I do not regard is that the Pro that the the karmic christie, which was an early christian him Does not start from eternity past it already starts dealing with the incarnate life Because they are the already beginning presupposition that the writers trying to get them to begin with is to let this mind be in you That was already in christ jesus If it's already starting eternity past then what in the world is application that could be to a human being But he said as something being crass but emptied himself now the word there that when he uses emptied in my computer would slip when i'm Clicking on it Oh goodness gracious, uh, but emptied himself That word is epiconosis. I believe Epiconosis or epiconosin and anacosin Yes, sir, thank you But emptied himself now that word there is related to the morphe that he is empty Now the interesting part of this i believe the epiconosin is related to the morphe That he is emptying. Why do you say well? Oh, whoa, whoa, why why do you say that? Why do you say that's related to that? Well, because let me see because when you keep reading it tells you how he emptied himself when you keep reading By taking on the form of a slave now. How do you empty something by taking on something now? You can empty something now in this word epiconosin it can mean to Can have two meanings in some contexts it can mean pour out It could mean that or it could mean something in a sense of making it void How so how do we determine if it's talking about pouring out or making it void? Context determines how it's used now What in the context would make us understand that about When we look at what's being described in the context by taking on the form of a slave, so Wait a minute. So what would make me think that it's talking about I think it's talking about making it void So we already have a context clue talking about morphe morphe deals with what's seen So what would we be making void What is seen he already by nature is god. That's a undisputable that we both agree on He would be making what seen as something that is not uh apparent to the eye He took on the form of a slave and what do you know the next clause even tells us by looking Like other men he made the divine image something that they could not appear Something that could not be seen and by sharing in human nature. He's so you said So you say so you're saying he emptied himself of what? I'm saying that What he made void or he what he emptied himself is the appearance of his native the divine nature Something that he could that we could not see because he took on the form of a slave Or the human nature is what's being indicated in this so And I'm just I'm just there are other trinitarian scholars who look at it that way too. So it's not just like a oneness type of It's it's not so much that it's just it's just that which is which is fine But it's the implication that that you that you draw from that um Who in the form of god who in the uh in this in this morphe this this form or this appearance of god Well, first of all, there's only one person that can be in the form or the appearance of god that is god um And and by the way, this is just this is just really um Really descriptive. This is not the the the point of obviously the point of the story or the point of the passage Have this have this uh this humble mindset of him, but it says who? Uh emptied himself now this empty him obviously. This is him doing it to himself. This is not Um, it being done. It's not in the passive. Uh, stop being done to him. So he so he's doing it to himself Taking on the form. But the point is that one he emptied himself I don't I don't see how how it could be Well, first of all, I should say I don't see how it could be anything. Uh, I he emptied himself So I don't think that there's all that that big a difference between Um, the different uh definitions or different discreet descriptions that you gave for that The point is what he what he uh, he divested or emptied Poured out however you want to look at it something That was there. He voluntarily removed Whatever that was it doesn't say it just says that he emptied himself. It didn't say of what And so and by and by and it didn't say that it that it refers to his to the to the morphate uh to one There's no there's no grammatical reason to believe that There it there it there isn't there. There is no grammatical key in the in the in the greek to say so. So I'll I'll you a ton Uh Echinocin and then it goes on to after this morphe du lo labone. So this so he is also taking on So it so to me the uh, the labone and the echinocin these are It's telling us what he did and then also again the second portion of Morphe du lo labone, which is him doing something totally different something separate Uh, I've got a highlight on the screen if anyone is trying to follow me morphe du lo. Yeah uh, and so here It seems to be that he's taking on um, the likeness of a man that is separate then separate from his uh emptying Uh, but my point is still the question is still and we're going to have to go ahead and and and Revisit this later so I can go ahead and get to the next question. Uh next person then I've got I've got supposedly about 30 minutes ago, but uh, to me to me He emptied himself of matter of fact, um We're told about his glory We're talked. We're told about the glory of the lord He doesn't have that glory that he's praying for in john 17 When or where did this glory all of a sudden go away or limit itself or what have whatever the terminology you want to use When did that happen? One two He's praying for it asking to get it back well It not being there the glory Would seem to be the only other passage that we have a clue To state that that what he's referring to is a vision to there's no other passage that says that jesus emptied himself of anything or took away anything or anything else was taken away from him And so we've got something that that's not there that previously was there And john 17 is asking for it back Then we've got another story another passage saying that there was something that was empty to pour it out Uh now they might be unrelated But likely they are related since this is talking about jesus prior to him coming to his incarnation So, um, I'm gonna have to leave it at that because I need to go ahead and take this next question. Um, hopefully we'll talk in the future I do appreciate your time though. No problem, brother. I appreciate you too Thank you. Blessings. You have a good one. You too Okay, last question. Let me go ahead and get this last question courty courty. You asked Uh X is 21 20 and 21. What is this saying and context? Let's go to it and it will be a little it will be This will be the last question X is what would you say make sure I see it again x it is 21 20. Okay, cool Put on the screen Move these down X is 21 20 If a man strikes his male, um, or female slave with a rod and he dies at his hand He shall be punished if however, he survived a day or two No, venus shall be taken for he is he is his property. So you're asking to explain it It's rough, but it's one of those straight straightforward passages.  No, because god also does talk about giving them Humane treatment so far. Let me just let me read something real quick. I mean Matter of fact, let me pull up someone else's commentary. Should what they say about this if there is a commentary on this Yeah, um The there's just not a whole lot given to it Uh, there really isn't I'm trying to read some more. Uh, let's see. Hold on. Let me read this in Hold on and pull another passage that might be related 22 22 There is no leviticus 222 Okay, that didn't no Thought I had some that went with that didn't go. Oh, I'm sorry 44 Let's try that. I'm sorry guys I'm looking up a passage to see if I can get some extra Let me read this as for your male and female slaves whom you may have You may acquire male and female slaves from from the pagan nations that are around you then too It is out of the sons of the soul journeyers who live as aliens among you that you may gain acquisitions and out of their families Who are with you whom they will have produced in your land? They also may become your possession. You may even bequeath them to your sons after you To receive a possession you can use them as permanent slaves But in respect to your countrymen the sons of israel you shall not rule with severity over one another This isn't giving a whole lot of information into what was stated in in uh excess 21 honestly, I Other than he's just saying just don't don't kill him There is a benefit though, uh that you would have to agree that If you beat him if you hurt him, then what are you doing? You're hurting yourself and oftentimes the slaves first of all the Slaves at that point in time. I'm not saying that it's good to be a slave Uh, but slaves at that point in time, they weren't treated like the slaves that we when we think about slavery They weren't treated like slaves were treated. Let's say here in america Uh, oftentimes some of these slaves will be valuable members of the family In some cases even even uh receiving Um property or receiving Um and inheritance at the death of uh their master Sometimes though the emails could I mean the email someone said needs an email sometimes though, uh, the master could be harsh So, um I can't give you more than what it just says on the face of it and then Now somebody might want to Take it further than that and make make something more out of it, but I I wouldn't so anyway guys Thank you so much. How long has this been two hours and 27 minutes? It was only supposed to be an hour and a half But Love you guys so much Couldn't couldn't leave. So all right guys, uh, I will look forward to seeing you guys tomorrow for the bible study Um in the meantime guys be blessed