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Live from Seattle, Washington. It's theCUBE, covering DockerCon 2016. Brought to you by Docker. Here's your host, John Furrier. Hey, welcome back everyone. We are here live in Seattle, Washington for DockerCon 2016. This is SiliconANGLE Media's theCUBE. It's our flagship program. We go out to the events and extract the signal and noise. I'm John Furrier, my co-host. Brian Grace Lee, cloud analyst at theCUBE in Wikibon. Our next guest is Scott Johnston, who's the chief operating officer of Docker, formerly the SVP of products and product marketing. Promotion, welcome back to theCUBE. Thanks, John, good to be back. It's good, theCUBE does good things.  The, just our third year, the size is significant. This event, you're now operating the train. It's like from 400 people two years ago, right? To like over 4,000, and the wait list is 600. So the wait list itself is more than that original conference two years ago, right? Which is- Even last year, we were saying- Humbly. Like there's a track just behind you. That's as big as the show was last year. Now it's the entire convention center. That's right. And obviously it's not just us, right? It's the communities here, the contributors on the open source side. There's been large enterprise vendors and partners who've come along. And so it's just grown in all different ways in the last two years. So you're the chief operating officer now. So you're now going to run the trains and keep them on time. Which sounds like it's organized, but as Jerry Chen said, startups are always in the chaos as it forces you guys to focus. What's the current status of the operations right now? Because obviously the growth's there. Docker numbers have been shared with us. Some significant stats were awesome. So as you guys go to the next level, what are some of the things that you're focused on right now with Docker vis-a-vis the business, the landscape, open source, and now with enterprises? It's a fair question, obviously lots of detail, but broadly speaking, right? If the last couple years were about ubiquity and working with partners to get the core runtime, the core platform out there and used by everyone, right? From drones flying in the air, to hardcore enterprise data centers, to cloud deployments. Next couple years from an operation standpoint is scaling up the complement to that, which is the monetization, right? Which is helping enterprise partners like HP that were announced last week and had a shout out today at the keynote. How do we work with them and a long list of others to take the management tools that help operations deploy all these applications that the developers are building, deploy them in production in ways that are scalable, safe, controlled, secure? And so, very high level, but the next two or three years are all about that build out right on the backs of the ubiquity build out. So it's exciting, we've been covering obviously big data cloud now, seven years with theCUBE and down on the trenches, now big data. It's interesting, the cloud now is maturing to the point where it really is enabling a tsunami of new class of applications. I'm glad you brought that up. Sorry, I don't have a job. We have seen a step function change in 12 months, right? So roll it back 18 months ago, 24 months ago. It's like, enterprise, yeah, we're going to have some public cloud experiments and kick the tires. We've seen like 180 turnabout, like no, we're going to the public cloud and now let's figure out our strategy, our tooling that we need to do that. So I agree with you 100%. Well, I want to get your thoughts on this because this is what we're hearing. We're hearing from practitioners and customers that, your customer's customer, which is, hey, now I have a clear line of sight on what the app development framework looks like. Docker containers are a nice vehicle for me to actually use existing apps as well as getting into the cloud native stuff, which is kind of the new headroom that they really are kind of betting their business on, drive more revenue. But I can now have programmable infrastructure and start really tooling my IT operations to be seamless under the covers enabling developers to be successful. No, that's right. I mean, they can't do that with these migrations and they can't actually do CI. Just start with just the dev test surface area, right? Forget production. They can't even do CI unless the automation's there, right? So in a crawl walk run or evolutionary revolution, like you got to start with automating that initial surface area and then it expands into clouds, into hybrid clouds from there. So a hundred percent. So now talk about the dynamic between startups to the other next level on this one is, okay, you got HPE, it was a great deal, HP Enterprise. You have Microsoft announcements today that you guys announced some significant, embedded points with Microsoft. And then you got some amazing startups. We were talking to Avi. Aviatrix. Aviatrix, yeah. Standing up networks. Yes. We had also Weavon. This is like startups, not just the big boys. No, that's right. So talk about that dynamic and the impact to you as looking at the landscape because if you got HPE, you got Microsoft on the high end, if Cisco's right behind us here. IBM. And you got IBM, and you got now the new guys. It's not a mutually exclusive ecosystem. It's not. Can you just share your thoughts on why that's happening? What is the signal to the customer? Yeah, no, thank you. It's not, right? Because on one hand you have the enterprise vendors that are already the trusted vendors to enterprise IT, right? And they have solution stacks that have many of their kind of proprietary value at solutions. And what we're doing largely with them at a very high level is making those solution stacks kind of docker native, right? So exactly the very workflow you were highlighting, the end to end dockerized applications from the developer laptop all the way into production that those platforms are docker application ready, right? So that's a big motion there. But as you know, John, we talked about it many times, the docker platforms, the horizontal platform with open APIs for all these various resources, for storage, for networking, for monitoring, for security. And so the smaller guys, as you say, the startup community or the innovators are really going great guns on providing docker native solutions for those plugins that plug into the infrastructure and enable special capabilities for networking, for distributed storage, things like that. So they're absolutely complementary and we're glad to see growth on both ends. I got to say, I'm impressed by the men. I've always been impressed by the management team at docker, but I like the new moves. So you were running product and engineering and product management. Mariana. Product management, product design. Product design, okay, technicality. Close enough.  So product guide is now COO. Mariana is now, was VP of engineering, now she's doing alliances and strategic strategy stuff. So it's clear that signaling is it's a product-centric company. It is. It is. Where's the white space?  Because the ecosystem is on fire and there's a lot of people that are bedding their life on docker right now, not life, but like their commercial business. I want to build on docker. I'm going to bet the ranch on docker. No pun intended. We got rancher labs here, but what is that white space? What do you tell your developers from a product standpoint? Here's where you want to play. Is there a known white space map that you guys have or? Well, I mean, think about it. We are a tool for the application delivery pipeline. Right? I mean, we start with developers, but our tooling is useful to QA. It's useful to operations. It's useful to security folks as well. And so the white space is not that we're a new application, but that we're a new set of tools for developers and the rest of the participants in the value chain to build, ship and run their software. And so I'd say it's less that we're gunning for this big kind of wide open space in their own kind of infrastructure, their workflow, but it's more like they face problems. They say, oh, we can only ship with our current processes, our current tools. We can only ship once a month, ship changes to production. I think that's what I hear you say is white space is kind of an old concept because what's different, that's an old map, white space. You get it for source now and you have really unknown opportunities that are flying into the coop, so to speak. So you really, the white space is everything. Anyway, but I mean, the currency is speed, right? The currency for the enterprise application teams is speed. And so how do we get in there and help them ship applications faster? And so maybe where you're going though is why is Docker scene as the go-to tool platform for that. And I'll go back to something we said a lot in these last two days, which is the democratization of really hardcore technology, right? So Docker March 2013 when it open sourced democratized containers. Containers as a body of technology had been around. They'd been around for decades, but they were difficult to use, they're difficult conceptually to get your heads around. And so hardcore system engineers, hardcore kernel engineers were the only ones that could really take advantage of that power. Docker took very powerful but very difficult to use technology, gave you the power with a dramatically easier to use interface such that all dance, all systems take advantage of it. I guess what I'm getting at is, I guess what I'm getting at is developers are afraid of taking one thing. I spend time developing, I don't want to get rolled over by Docker if they've built it. I know Solomon says, batteries are included, swapable, whatever that is. But Microsoft back in the old days, there when they were at the height of their developer, you knew what they were doing. If you cross in that path with the boundaries, you would release product, right? So the developers just was very clean. It's the line. We're not going to be an OS player, so we don't compete there. I had to swap. You mean the ecosystem. Where's the white space for the ecosystem? Got it. And that's where the people want to grow, right? Yes. So we're a horizontal platform first and foremost, right? Which means that when it comes to the APIs, the application facing APIs, like those are near and dear to us. Because why? Because the big value proposition of Docker is the portability, right? So the application facing APIs are sacrosanct, right? Like those have to remain 100% portable whether it's running on your laptop, cloud, data center, open stack, bare metal, right? The south bound APIs, if you will, the infrastructure facing APIs, those are open.  That's the have at, because we are not storage experts. We are not networking experts. We are platform experts. And we are enabling the ecosystem to grow at these very specific. They can be able to town all day long. And you look at behind us and you see a lot of folks in the booths, like that's where a lot of their energies are going. We've been talking about this with a number of companies, but Docker is a different kind of company now in terms of, how do your products open source? So it's, you can get it without engaging with Docker. Part of your roadmap is going to be out in the open source domain because you can see what's going on, right? Part of it is they're going to trust you to be a SaaS provider to help run their operations. What, as you talk to enterprise customers who are used to dealing with whoever, right? There was a way of dealing with, interacting with them, giving them, what do you, what do they want? How do they want to interact with you? If you're a large bank, how do they want to interact with Docker? How does a hospital want to interact with Docker? How's that changing? I'll oversimplify it, but it's not a bad conceptual place to start and then devil's in the details, right? The open source and the developer tools that we provide, we announced Docker for Mac, Docker for Windows. Those are about creating the market, right? Cause those are downloaded used by developers to create containers. And what happens is within the enterprise, IT operation says, oh, my devs are creating all these Dockerized apps, all these containers, like how am I going to manage them? And nine times out of 10, IT operations, particularly in the enterprise, they want to buy a solution. They don't want to build and cobble and maintain their own separate set of scripts or stacks or whatnot. So that's where we tend to get involved with the enterprise is where the enterprise devs are already doing some projects. Might be Skunkworks, right? But they're creating stuff that has to be managed and in a controlled fashion, in a deployable fashion or rollback fashion. And so they come to us and say, Docker, can you help us? We're saying, yes, we can. And that is a perfect conversation to have a commercial tool conversation where enterprise IT has budget, is willing to pay for once certified platforms, once validated security models and profiles. That's a direct conversation that they're used to. So what they might not be used to is like, wow, my devs are going crazy with open source. And then we come and say, hey, let us help you with that. Well, and it's becoming a little less of a binary. Like, do I go to the cloud or are you running it myself? There's sort of an in between now, right? And that's a different mindset. They've got to learn how to adapt to that. You're changing your business, well, you're evolving the business because you want to monetize it. You want to follow that. That's right, that's right. I mean, what we can talk about broad trends, right? I mean, I think none of us would disagree that, call it the last decade, maybe two decades, it's increasingly become a buyer's, a buyer driven evaluation cycle because there's so much information available online and there is open source and there is free tools and there's Google that is indexing all the information out there. And so we're seeing buyers just come to the table with a lot of information about what they're doing. They know about your stack. They know about your competitor stack really, really well. And so- It's a digital buying environment. Right? And so given that, how do you insert yourself in a very authentic way that gives them value? You've got to lower the surface area for them to participate. And so our cloud product, right? The Docker cloud allows them to go in with a credit card, swipe and get the benefits of container management, knockerized app management, without involving us or our sales cycle or our marketing. They just go in and start. So you can imagine a little development group starting like that. Then they say, hey, you know what? This is great, but we need it on-prem. And then that leads to the next motion of an enterprise on-prem software sale. I think you nailed that, right? And we just heard, we heard that 10 minutes ago or an hour ago from Alexi, he said, look, if you can't prove to somebody that you're good in five minutes or an hour, or whatever, like real fast. Yeah, right away. That's exactly right. And the thing of this digital progression now, as you point out, the discovery, developers are rabid on discovery. That's right. They're going to look at everything. They will find you. They're going to be sitting in a meeting, the developer there will spin it while you're doing a presentation. That's exactly right. That's exactly right. Download it, try it, and raise their hand, ask questions about it, right? Did you just announce? So, it, it, it. All right, so I want to ask the question about the CIO that's out there watching or customer. Now the environment's changed. This is really agile. Now that person's under pressure called CXO, because now you've got CDOs, you know all kinds of new role, CXO security's huge, which we haven't even touched on yet. That executive has to be fast. They have to have a site that doesn't look like Netscape 1998, right? I know you were at Netscape, had to weave that in there.  The older sites just look like HTML. So like, that's the way they're living in the old app days. They got to modernize really, really fast. Add mobile, right? What's your message to the CIO about modernizing and building a true application development environment that's going to drive their business? What's your advice? Yeah, yeah. You know, honestly, we see use cases across the board, behaviors across the board to answer that question. And I'll give you a dramatic one first. We had one CIO, I'll keep their company's name nameless, but he saw that a developer-centric mindset inside his organization was the way to go. And he fired all the non-developers, right? And just hired only developers into his organization. And developers are also the ones carrying the pagers and answering the patient calls. And that was his admittedly very kind of dramatic way. To send a culture message. To send a culture message that we are going to be fast, we're going to think creatively, we're going to be hungry, we're going to go after it, right? That is obviously a tail case, right? Most organizations, they start with a small service area project. They start with a Skunkworks team and they lift and shift and just get it into dictators and start feeling that transition. I love that example, so I have to ask a follow on question. What was the operations team like? Did he fire the ops team? Or was that transformed? And because, no, you bring in developer-centric mindset, you have to have an operations team that can be really on the new security paradigms. On the cloud, on the cloud model. On the cloud delivery, so there's a lot of details on the ops operation side. That was once, five nines, no, no, no ops does not have to be DevOps. Well, I mean, the SLAs don't go down, right? I mean, no one wakes up and says, you know what, five by 12 is enough. We don't need 7.24, we're a bank, right? No one, no one does that, right? And so you've got to maintain your service levels while moving faster and that is the conundrum that we've been wrestling with for the last couple of decades. That's what drove DevOps, right? Which is like, how do you get all this benefits of agile over here in the development arm but get it flowing all the way through to app delivery? What's the trend in the IT ops that you see? That's significant. That's a different change from just five years ago or a decade ago where the practices are different. And can you share any anecdotal color around that concept? I mean, we are seeing public cloud be a defined thing on every CTO, CIOs roadmap. Like they must have a public, not just hybrid cloud, right? Not like private hybrid cloud. They have to have a public cloud and that's different than even 12 or 18 months ago. Obviously containerization, dockerization is a huge, is a huge trend and I'll say comfort with a variety of languages, programming languages because they want to entice developers to have the flexibility to choose Node or choose Python or choose Ruby. And so those are three big trends we're seeing in the development as well as in the operations organization. So the question I have to ask you that came up multiple times in this past two days was the whole theme that you go to markets looks a lot like VMware. You get a lot of VMware DNA in your company now what VMware didn't have at the time back then was they weren't really involved in open source. So what's interesting is that can you or is it true that you guys have a VMware like go to market or is that just kind of banter or? I mean, you can, given a random set of dots you can connect any line through them, right? So let's be careful to ascribe causation and correlation. Look, the way in which new emerging technology is adopted is a very similar pattern. I mean, did AWS pick up production workloads on day one? They did not. Did VMware pick up production workloads on day one? They did not. File and print, dev test, QA. And in that sense is Docker following VMware? Well, we're following a very successful playbook that has been done again and again and again since time immemorial of emerging tech, right? So yes, we are landing with developers, we're doing dev test and we expand from there. So that's a trajectory, a successful trajectory. That's right. You can put in whatever name you want to it. The second thing though that I will say is that because we are focused on a product, as you said, we are a product-centric company, we are very motivated to make partners successful, the ecosystem successful in terms of the distribution and the go to market. So our conversation earlier about HP and IBM and half a dozen other wonderful partners, that's very deliberate. And that you can say, well, gosh, VMware followed a similar play. But VMware was also very much a- There's a lot of alliances. How important they are to you because this is really a big deal in my mind. I think this is a Docker moment where you guys crack the code on potentially not just scale and market, but now relationships that you're fusing together kind of the Switzerland model where you have the goodness of the container stuff and we haven't gotten to secure yet, which we can talk to you, by bringing the big companies together and the startups in the white space and ecosystem, you're enabling the market. That's enabling platform. Yeah, that's right. How are you guys going to execute that? As the COO, what's the mandate? Just keep doing more deals. Is it deeper integration? Is there a playbook? I mean, is there a tier to pros? So you've got to give the industry as well as your partners, your subset of in the industry, you have to give them a roadmap, a playbook, right? And that playbook has things like what are the common use cases? What are the two or three common use cases? Because if you don't, your message just gets kind of pushed out and deluded and everyone's wondering kind of like, okay, how do I use this and when do I use this? So it starts with having a very common and concrete and specific set of use cases that everyone's going to play on, regardless of channel, regardless of partner type. Like these are the things we're going after. Backing that up is a set of reference architectures that, to your question, reference not only the partners role in that reference architecture, but also the startups role in that architecture. I want to do monitoring. I want to do logging. I want to do security. Great, we've got 450 registered partners through half dozen, dozen different categories that can plug into that reference architecture and basically provide the enterprise IT group with a blueprint of how to be successful with the solution. So those are two very specific motions that we're working on across the partnerships to make sure that the partners are successful, the customers are successful, and we're successful. And you're investing heavily in that. And you're investing heavily in that. Absolutely, absolutely, as an organization with the partners. I look over one of your shoulders, Amazon's there, Azure's over your other shoulder. There's a Docker cloud. Now, where does the Docker public cloud story go? I mean, if I go to Azure, they're going to tell me about the number of data centers they have and certifications and valid. You know, you're going to be in country. I mean, are we going to be hearing about that in Docker cloud? Where does the partnership go? Where are third party service providers fit and all that? No, good question, Brian. Remember, Docker cloud is the control plane. It's not where the workloads land. So Docker cloud drives workloads on Azure, on Amazon, on Google compute. And we're agnostic, right? And in fact, that's one of the value propositions of Docker cloud is that we're not tied to any particular cloud compute workload provider. And we see a lot of customers doing dual cloud approaches with Docker cloud as the common control plane across them, or dual clouds and on-prem, all being managed out of Docker cloud. And so that's where it fits in the landscape. Again, drawing back, if you're hearing a common theme, drawing back to the portability theme of Docker, it's portability not just in the literal application of artifacts and the runtime, but portability in the management tooling that spans hybrid cloud, multi-cloud. So it'll be anybody who wants to stand up and run Docker data centers as a service that can be tied to that Docker cloud often? That's one example as well. I'll give you a fun kind of hack where a lot of the early usage of Docker cloud was we have a bring your own node technology where you can drop an agent on the node and register it with Docker cloud and you can manage out of Docker cloud. One of the early use cases was developers bringing their laptop, putting the agent on their laptop and going back up to the firewall and managing it on Docker cloud because they just wanted tools to manage and deploy Docker containers, but they wanted to do it locally. So they'd fire up a couple of VMs, have a couple of nodes on their laptop, be managing that from Docker cloud, SAS multi-tenant service outside their firewall. Right? Really interesting. Yeah, kind of a backward way of thinking about it, or a reverse way of thinking about it. That was their way of kicking the tires. That's your digital progression of how people are discovering. Right. Exactly right. There's no boilerplate marketing anymore. That's right. It's got to kind of lower the service area. Follow the users, right? Follow the users. Fall lower in the service area for value. That's right. That's awesome. That's right. That's how you do business. Scott, final question, just next year, what's your key metrics for, top three metrics for the year that you're running the business on Docker this year? Look, I mean Docker wouldn't be anything without the community. That's this event that's the over 4,000 participants here. It's why you're here. So community is going to continue to be number one. We're just going to continue to see and want to see exponential growth in that community. And that's just numbers, right? But engagement and meetups and participation in those meetups and the conference and the talks and the quality of the talks. And so that's going to continue to be huge. Then you're obviously going to see downstream from that usage. And this goes to open source adoption. And you heard our announcement yesterday about Docker 112 building orchestration primitives as from the get go into the core engine. We think that is the right way to develop multi-container, multi-host applications. And so seeing that adoption pick up in the open source community. And obviously the third one after that is, okay, we've created a community. We've created an open source market of users, actively engaged users. And a subset of those will want enterprise tools to manage those workloads. And so we're going to have a business metric that's very important right on the backs of those first two. All right Scott, thanks for taking the time out of your super busy schedule to share your insight on theCUBE. Appreciate it. Thanks for your support, by the way. Thank you. We've been here every year, DockerCon, Washington Grow and appreciate the executive support. You guys have been very candid on theCUBE. And I would appreciate your support, John, Brian. And it's exciting to be part of. Thanks. Thank you for watching theCUBE. I'm John Furrier with Brian Gracie here. Scott Johnson, CEO, Chief Operating Officer of Docker. This is theCUBE, live in Seattle. Be right back after this short break. You're watching theCUBE.


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So what happens if I now want to create an array, but I don't know The values yet. I do know how big I want to make it, but I don't know the values Let's stay with the idea of say for example a days of the week because I can Now instead of saying the curly brace and adding in my days I actually throw in a new keyword. I throw in a new five-dollar Java keyword new Now what new does is because We're actually dealing with something known as a complex data type. We've been only working with primitive data types as of late But this new this actually kind of creates a little funkiness to it because obviously we're saying this Thing this array this collection is gonna have some values in it I just don't know what they are right now and so I then come in and I say what the data type is But then I add in those square brackets again and this time I actually put a number inside here Now what this number is going to indicate is the length of This new array that I'm creating. So how do I access any of the elements? How do I start to populate my array? Again, I actually I'm going to be using that square bracket again The first thing I need to do is I specify By using my variable name. I said that I was going to name this array variable Name I was going to name this variable array days Now if I want to access any particular Element inside that array. I use the square brackets and I put its Index inside it. So say for example days zero right now. That's empty, but I can fill that up now with Sunday and I can go through and I can continue to do that with each one of these until I get to days six equals Saturday Now I want to throw a little question at you. What's going to happen if I do days at seven? All right. Well, hopefully maybe take a second pause video. Maybe put it in there and see what happens What will happen is that this is Gonna error Why because we only said that we were going to have a length of seven length of seven means that I start counting at zero again zero One two three four five six we count those numbers. That's one two three four five six seven It's a little bit of a confusing a confusion, but I have seven elements with an index of zero two six


This is a double blind experimental setting thing. No, double blind control procedure, OK? So a double blind, a double blind control. Just double blinds, DBs. So I don't know, database, anyway, sorry. Just totally getting off topic here, but that's OK. Because I'm keeping you blind. No, double blind is a way to increase quality of, reduce bias in our observations. So we want to reduce bias in our observation. The best way to do that, one of the best ways to do that is to blind the subjects from the experiment. And then you say, block you. No, so to blind the subjects, you don't let them know what condition they're about to experience. You don't let them know when the condition phase change happened. You literally don't tell them as little as possible, OK?  Then you also blind the observer. So you don't tell them when the phase change happened either, right? That way they can't do their whole bias EPs, OK? So when they're collecting the data, all they do is counting the behaviors. They don't go, oh, now it's the new condition. So I'll count more behaviors. Double blind keeps everything under wraps in terms of bias. And it is an important procedure that you should try to implement any time you're doing an experiment.


My name is Sid, on the agenda today, a possible fundraise, a disclaimer about fundraises. It's not an exact science, and this is all speculation. We have a board meeting next week, and we still need even board commitment for this. This is a draft, like many things in GitLab. Second thing, please don't get distracted. Most companies don't even talk about fundraising to the rest of the people in the company. We do, but your commitment is to not get distracted with it too much. We do have a Slack channel for it. Feel free to post things there. And these things might not happen at all. The proposal we're putting forward to the board is to raise $100 million and a billion valuation at the end of the first quarter and start the fundraising process February 25th. So kind of we have the first quarter numbers come in and raise on that. We should be at 50 million ARR at that point. There is significant interest from multiple VCs to do something similar to that number sooner. So that's very, very exciting. Like every day of the week now, I'm talking to a VC. It's also because if you want to raise next year, it's good to give them kind of an early picture of the company so they can see a line. Nobody wants to invest in a dot, even though we have a great track record, they want to see it for themselves that we actually do what we promise. What you can do to make the fundraise more successful, depending on your role, keep shipping, keep selling, keep putting out those marketing campaigns, keep answering questions, make sure our finances are in order, just run a great company. They will get it and they will pay for that. The Meltano project, maybe I should have included the link, although I don't know what the Google score is by now, but I think the extractors are on a roll. Like we're getting more and more systems of GitLab getting the data out of it. Jacob Schatz started Melt as an alternative to Looker. Looker right now is the only proprietary thing in our stack. We're not sure if it should be a part of GitLab or a really separate thing. We're just looking at the options there. And there's a risk that we don't attract, oh, there's a cliffhander, contributors. This is a project that started internally. So there's a big risk that if we don't open up the project enough, no one will contribute to it. And that's what's the case right now. We have zero contributions. It's extremely worrying. So it's very important for the team to not talk amongst themselves, but to record everything, push things out, put it into documents. And that's not intuitive for the team. So that is a constant source of worry for me to make sure that we are an open source project and not just some hobby project in a company. Thanks, first remark and question. The background, yeah, awesome background. In Zoom, if you have a green screen, you can just put any image up there. I'm going to show off a bit because yesterday, McBright said, hey, can't you just be on the moon if you're doing stuff like that? And two minutes later, I was like, yeah. And I think someone else said, certainly Sid is coming out of the bushes, not quite bushes, but this is a default background. So we got a super cheesy one, which doesn't look realistic at all. But this is by far the favorite. This is just something if you Google for GitLab background image, it's on the internet. Clement, should we try to get Meltano presented in conferences? Yeah, so present at conferences for sure. I think Jacob Schatz gave the right example there. He at the local Vue meetup, he presented his melt project to great enthusiasm. My moon is fluttering on the side. Yeah, I think, look at this, it's all fake. So I think there's something that needs to happen here, but I'll do that later. So fix it a bit by just doing that. And we're asking you to use a video background as far as I know, you can't do that. And Taylor says that he'll be talking at the Nashville's Analytics Summit. We'll be talking a lot about Meltano, so that's awesome to hear. Now, mind you, Taylor is in the data team, not the Meltano team. So Meltano team, if you're watching, be inspired. We should be, we probably should be participating. And doesn't necessarily have to be at a conference, just putting stuff on YouTube. Like it's a half a minute, just doing half an hour session. I think one of the founders of Heptio, I think its name is Jim. There's a beers with Jim every Friday where he opens up a beer and answers questions about Kubernetes from the community. He's one of the creators. Something like that would be, I think, awesome. Jacob is already up to three conferences. Well done, Jacob. Could you do slides as a background? I think you can screenshot them and switch them so that they can be possible. Here, you'd have the same problem as the weather people that they all point in the general direction, can't quite see themselves. Meltano asked me anything. I think that's a good idea. I think you should even prime the audience a bit. Like, explain what Meltano is at the beginning. I think otherwise you'll have a few questions. Gabriel, thanks for the background settings. If someone could put that in the tools section, that would be great. Dimitri, my co-founder, became a fellow. And every quarter, he's going to ship three things. Three things that make a big difference in the adoption of GitLab, that really go forward in our vision. And last quarter, he helped with the Cloud Native installation. He got Jupyter integrated into GitLab, which is an awesome thing. And there's still some work ongoing there. Using our own features, that was harder, turns out that right now you can't really use other DevOps through the Rails app. It doesn't know how to talk to a database. It doesn't do HTTPS. So we still got some work to do before we have kind of, I would say the minimum viable auto DevOps thing, because like a Rails app, had a minimum pass thing. Hiroku is based on that. Most of us, most of the developers here are Rails developers. So that's some work to do. For this quarter, Dimitri is focused on the Android import and that shipped. Thanks, Dao, for reviewing that. It's going to be in 11.2, which is amazing, because of subgroups, you have the unique ability to import Android repos. And I'm very excited that that's part of it. And the next thing is the Maven support, which would be a big thing. I visited a lot of customers, mostly in the financial industry. A few weeks ago, they all thought we were version control and CI. So we need to tell the story of complete DevOps. And the old requested features we already had. So we need to point out that how our features map to their situation. I started something here. Welcome any contributions to that. I'm excited that the forecast for Q3 is looking good. The commit is higher than planned, which is, I'm not sure it ever happened before. It's a good sign. And the best case, we go over 10 million in a quarter, which would be pretty insane. Mind you, last year, the whole year, we did 10 million incremental ACP. So now we have a shot at doing that in a quarter. CMO search is at 60 days. We had some promising candidates, but nothing, we didn't get to offer it. With anybody, they didn't quite meet the par. We're having a lot of success with people that are not based in Silicon Valley, because for them, it's very slim pickings if you want to join an exciting startup. So GitHub is really, really interesting to them. Cool. And this is what you make of it. So please ask questions. Also feel free to speak up, even though there's still questions in chat and everything just hit that mic button. Taylor asks, is there a pattern between the requested features that people are asking for that they didn't know we have? The pattern is basically the stuff I put on that page, like the financial services, like separation of duties and other kind of regulations that they have to comply with, they all asked for that. So there was certainly a pattern. And it's just probably general patterns and patterns per vertical, where if you're in healthcare, you need to comply with HIPAA. We need to explain how to comply with HIPAA. And what we have right now is I think one paragraph about that. And it's basically saying HIPAA doesn't apply. I think we can do better than that. And if we do better than that, people will understand, hey, there's other people in my industry using GitHub. That's why they have these texts about them. So it's a great way to show that it's an appropriate solution to their problems. Jason says, C is as a GitOps company, instead of a Git company, it's good for us, for understanding the market. Yeah, like they should see us as a DevOps company. We do complete DevOps. I love the term GitOps. I think it's still a bit fringe. And what our problem is, we need to appeal to like C-level execs to sell GitLab Ultimate. They have never heard of GitOps. And frankly, probably GitOps is pushing it a bit too far. For example, deploying to a production environment. If you do that with like a branch merge, I'm not sure that's what people do. It's not what we do. It might be taking it slightly too far. So there's some logic in GitLab that's not in Git. I think that's fine. I think for them to understand where you really do ops is to get away from the term Git. So DevOps is a great term that really talks about our scope. Clemente asks, how will the possible fundraise impact our IPO target date? So we're still on track for November 18, 2020. Any fundraise shouldn't impact that. Now, if we raise a bit sooner, we can like expand our R&D marketing efforts sooner. R&D and marketing efforts sooner. So the earlier you raise, the better it is. On the other hand, the earlier you raise, the lower the valuation you're gonna get. And for example, getting to like a unicorn valuation, $1 billion of post-money valuation. That would really help with customers and public clouds understanding that we're here for the long-term and that we're gonna stay an independent company. Now, that's not to be said if we raise a bunch load of money from a good VC and we're not a unicorn, that that's a problem, but it's an additional consideration. Yeah, Matt, lots of tray shows coming up each month. I think in the beginning of our road show, we ask people, hey, do you know what GitLab is or do you kind of need a primer? Like do we need to update you? Almost everyone said, no, we know what GitLab is. And then halfway through the conversation, we found out with everyone that they've just thought of us as version control and CI. So we stopped asking and we just told that story. And I think it's really important to kind of have those slides from the pitch deck up that show our competitors and that show the scope of our product. I think those slides really resonated. I'll put them up on the screen right now. And the pitch deck, I hope you're using it. It's public, you can send it to customers. And those are very powerful things and we're gonna try to put it on the homepage as well. So this is one of the two slides showing, hey, you're using all these things now. This is what GitLab is an alternative for. And the next one is it's an alternative for that because these are the features GitLab will have by the end of 2018. And then the pitch is, look, you have between 20 and 60 people doing DevOps tooling integration right now in your company. That's undifferentiated heavy lifting. What you should be doing is that, is join 100,000 organizations that are collaboratively working on that. More than 2000 people contributed code. That's a better, you'll get a better result than you can achieve on your own. And the people in your company will be able to focus on what's unique to your company and contribute that to GitLab. And by making it a single application, you can get to a three times faster DevOps lifecycle. You can get faster time to value, more motivated people. That's what we're selling. Chad asks, is there a common team that the CMO candidates do not have? You mentioned none of them hit the bar we have. What is the gap? It's a couple of things. We focus a lot on demand generation, people knowing that, modern account based marketing practices. Another thing we're looking for is scale. So having worked with large teams like the marketing department is now close to 60 people and it's just gonna grow from here. And the last thing is results. So we had one candidate who came really far but didn't have great references. So I think those are three things that are really important to us and that people that not everyone meet or that so far nobody met. Dawa, if we can't get 100 million at a billion in Q1 2019, would you rather wait longer or take the lower offer? Answers, I'm not sure. It depends on like the macro, like the macro economics, like the market is very profing out. Like people are paying amazing valuations for startups. It just takes one major trade war to impact that. So if the market is different, like you're not gonna move the market, et cetera. And it also depends, what you do with it, it also depends on the alternative. So it's hard to say. So William asked, if GitLab is holding us back, do we need to look at a rebrand? Rebrands, rebrands are extremely painful, especially since people have GitLab installed in their computers, people have it in URLs, et cetera. So instead, look Airbnb, people understand that you can get something else than airbats to sleep on from Airbnb. So it's just about educating the market. The end, the name shouldn't matter. Would I choose the same name today? Probably not. Does it matter? Nope, it's just about us going out and creating awareness. Michael Lassio is also enthusiastic about those slides. Great Michael, those are great slides and we're trying to get them up on our homepage. And I'm even pushing the product marketing team a bit to get our competitors brand logos on there. So we'll see how that goes. Jacob asked the great question, a hundred million at a billion. It means that we raise a hundred million dollars. So that means you give out new shares to the new investor and they pay a hundred million dollars for it. And afterwards you have a hundred million dollars more in your bank account. And one billion means that the pre-money valuation is a billion dollars. So after investing a hundred million, they have I think slightly less than 10% of the company. If we're going into there, anyway, a unicorn means that your post-money valuation is a billion. So that will be like, even if you raise a hundred at 900, you would get there because you can, the difference between the pre and post-money valuation is the money you raise. So 900, it's pre-money valuation. You get a hundred million, you end up with a company that's theoretically worth a billion dollars. And the new investor has 10% of that. Emily asked, how is hiring the GM for Meltano? Slightly frustrating, we had a great candidate, but the candidate now hit the pause button. So that was slightly annoying. So we got to go back and look at other candidates. Thomas says, probably also immediately draw comparisons to GitHub's price tag, yes. And then it's kind of normal that an acquisition offer is higher 50 to 100% higher than a financing offer. I'm not sure about those percentages, but it's normal that it's high enough and raising. How much of the company belongs to the VCs? Jaepgab asked, it's the majority of our company belongs to the people that put money in the investors. Although I bootstrap the company, I don't consider myself an investor. Sean asked, did you get a feel for the financial services would actually investigate GitHub after hearing what we do? As you mentioned, they've invested a lot in their current tool chain. Some have, so we talked to the person from Capital One. Look, they've made an amazing tool chain and they have products like Hygia that were an inspiration for our psychoanalytics. So I think they'll be not the first ones to switch. But even they were looking at a new CI system. So no one's gonna throw away everything they've made and adopt GitLab. That never happened in the history of the company. So what you try to do is just get in there. And then probably the last the company has made so far, the more you can take out, but that doesn't mean there's not an entry way into every single company. Thanks, Bill. Yeah, there was a column in Forbes published. Mark, I was given our direction with Meltana. Are there large data science shows that we will have a presence that going forward? Basically the Meltana project doesn't have the budget for that. And that's okay. It has to, like Dimitri attracted 300 contributors in the first year of GitLab without much marketing or any marketing. So maybe the people at Meltana will give talks, but it's not like we're gonna rent a booth or something like that. There's just the product has to make money before we can afford that. And it's a long way away from making money. The first thing for Meltana is to get contributors. The second thing is to get users. And the third thing is to get customers. So it will have to go to all those stages. So for now it's about telling people that exists and asking them to contribute. Hey, Paul gave some specifics. 50% of GitLab is owned by VCs. Thanks, Paul. Paul, does that include or exclude our seed investors? It includes our seed investors. Thanks. Hey, Sid, I have a question. On the slides that you shared from Excel or Excel, I don't know how to pronounce their name. Excel, like Accelerate. Okay. They, there was mentioned or there was a slide on potential acquisition targets for us to acquire a company. I think white source was on there. Is that something that they did on their own or are you, are there any potential acquisition targets that you've been looking at? What's our appetite for something like that at this point? Yep, thanks for the question. Low appetite, that slide is something they did. Like they want you to take their money. So they're like, they think of something for you to buy. What they don't know is that we have enough, we've got a lot of product ideas and things. We just need people to kind of realize them. So I don't think we'll spend a lot of money on acquisitions, although yeah, never say never. They made a case for white source, which is interesting. White source does dependency analysis, like we do, like with gymnasium makes, but they go one step further. They look not only on is the dependency you're using vulnerable or not, but also are you hitting that code path where the vulnerability is in? I think source clear that the same thing they were just acquired by CA. So it's kind of a more advanced version. I didn't hear any customer ask for that yet. So I'm not sure we should pick up for that. It seems like something that's also pretty hard to maintain because it means every vulnerability that's out there on the internet. Now you got to find out what code paths it hits, et cetera. But we're open to acquisitions when they kind of quickly add to completing our vision. So the gymnasium team was a great collaboration how they came in and from Dmitri made a start with our security products and they just completely blew me away with the speed at which they executed. And the amazing thing to see was that those financial services companies two meetings with super big clients, they put on the agenda, hey, can we please have an ultimate license so we can try out the security products? So there's a lot of demand for it and people are willing to pay up. And Paul says that like investors have 55% of the company like I said, it's the majority of the company. No, I was answering Jacob's question about if we did a $100 million valuation or a $100 million raise, how much would they then own? It would be 55%. Amazing. Wow, you were on point with that 50%.  Good questions, Dawa. What do you think, Paul, is it 50.000%? That's getting a little bit too precise for me, but you can attend the next finance FGU and find that out specifically. Ah, I like that. Cliffhangers and the cross promotion. Okay, gonna wrap up the questions that are still there. So Jacob asked, yeah, if they invest yet, then VCs own more of the company. So if we get 5 million from a VC and 100 million from a VC, 1 to 100 million VC own a much larger percentage, you're on the money, Jacob. You could work on in VC now. It's the more you invest, the more you own. So how much you get depends on how much money you put in and the valuation of the company. That determines your share percentage. Paul asked customers with existing tool chains best ways to introduce GitLab adoption right now. It's source control, CI, issue tracking, probably source control, CI, even more because the big ones all have JIRA and they like the extensive feature set. But hopefully as our other offerings mature, we get some traction there, container registry, et cetera. That'll ask 50% of the voting rights yet. Right now all the voting rights are kind of 1x except for a thing we put in for the future, maybe have a bit more, have 10x voting rights for the founders, but we're not sure how that works, will work and whether they'll accept that. Shot spell, there's venture capital. Yep, cool. Thanks everyone. I want you to be on time for the team call. Thanks for the questions. Really enjoyed it.


So many of you complain when you watch music marketing videos that the ideas are outdated or don't show how an artist is going from literally nothing to hundreds of millions of streams. Well, as many of you who watch this channel know, when you complain, I mostly listen.  Anyway, I noticed a lot of musicians are getting a lot of streams, like a hundred million streams on their first song type stuff. From a few simple new marketing techniques that I have yet to explore on this channel. So in this video, I decided to show you what's driving new fans right now. So let's do this. Oh, and be sure to stick around to the last one since it's huge. So before we get to the big stuff, we should probably start off with a little talk about the state of music promotion. So our first technique is to diversify. So right here is a chart that I got texted to me by everyone I know as if I hadn't already seen it a hundred times since it made so many people's jaw drop. This is a chart from one of the most accurate analytic outfits around on the daily app use for users, meaning what people actually use each day. And while the headline for many people was that Elon has chased everyone off Twitter by letting it run rampant with Nazis and bots, I think there's a lot of interesting things in this chart that are much more interesting for musicians. The first is to show that just as many of you thought, TikTok has been slipping a little bit.  Now, some of you know this, but I talk to politicians all day in my day job. Trust me, it's real glamorous. And I'll tell you straight up, TikTok is going nowhere.  But that's if this legislation even gets passed. But this is all not to say you shouldn't take advantage of everyone else's ignorance on this subject of what's actually happening here. Right here on the screen now, I have a perfect example of taking advantage of this for musicians from the artist Sophie Powers, who's one of the masters of short form right now, and just killing it on TikTok. And what she shows here is you should all be reminding people to follow you other places all the time, because the more places people are following you, the more likely it is to see your announcements and see all the things you have to offer them. And even when there's not good reasons, like an app might go away, this is a really good technique to use all the time.  But if you haven't experienced this before, trust me, just listen to anyone who had tens of thousands of followers on Facebook talk about how in one year that became totally worthless. So if you have a content schedule like you probably should, I would put in there that every 30 to 60 days to suggest a follow on another platform. This can even be sharing one of your threads on an Instagram story or in a carousel. This can be mentioning your at handle is the same on every platform from time to time. But the key is to diversify your following, and if you have any following on TikTok, use the misperception that TikTok is going away to grow your Instagram. Because as we're about to discuss, Instagram promotion is just as good for music as TikTok promotion. And if any of these apps take a plummet like Twitter, you don't want to have to rebuild from nothing. But now we're at tip two, and I know you're sitting on the edge of your seat wondering about that 100 million streams in 60 days for an artist with only one song out since I kind of promised that. Okay, let's take a look at this group, Good Neighbors. This single came out about 60 days ago from when I'm taping this video, and it is nearly 100 million streams on Spotify. And if you count the other platforms, it's way over that. And as you can see, well, this is their first song. So what happened? Let's head over to TikTok. So as you can see, if you scroll around their TikTok, the majority of their attention comes from a few TikToks getting hundreds of thousands to millions of streams. But let's look at what they actually did with those TikToks, since it's really interesting. So since copyright laws are total garbage, I can't put you to the song. So you're going to be subjected to my very, very bad imitation of it. So what's going on here is they took the imagery from that movie Normal People. You know, it's the type of movie that made my fiancé have a desperate crush on Paul Mezcow, along with countless other girls when they saw a guy actually be nice to a girl. Who would think that would ever happen? Anyway, let's look at the subtext of what they're actually doing here. So that picture for those of you who don't know will remind anyone who saw this of the emotion of that movie. For those who don't, it's still conveyed what you kind of see here, which is a person who feels like home, someone who's falling in love, since they look like they're falling in love in the first slide. And they say, POV, you found that person who feels like home. And then as you can see in the second slide, it has the lyrics to the song, which emotionally compliment that POV prompt that they put in the first slide, as well as the lyrics to the song, since those are the lyrics to the song. Now, if you were listening to their song instead of me, you'd hear this barn choir type song singing those lyrics that are very, very emotional. And frankly, all of this works really emotionally well together, even though I don't even care for this type of music. But the emotional alignment is a lot of the key here of what worked, since as I've told you in one of my more slept on videos that's linked below in the description, music is a mood altering drug that makes you feel a way you'd rather feel. So what this TikTok is essentially doing is saying, hear that song, you want to feel this way, you know, probably the strongest emotion any of us can feel falling in love with someone. Well, here it is. And shockingly, a lot of people will click over to feel that mood altering drug. But there's even more to this. So many of you are scared of doing the same type of content over and over, but good neighbors are a master class in doing one version of a video. And if it does somewhat well, then continually doing that video, but trying to improve upon it each time. If you scroll through their TikTok, you can see they're constantly iterating on these two slides, most of which they're not even in. They're just using imagery that feels like the song's lyrics. And this could work for any type of lyric. And as you can see, sometimes it did well, sometimes it didn't. But most of the time, if they were ramping up a little bit and doing something well, they could catch a wave and get a lot of views as they did this over and over again over the last two months. But they kept repeating the same two side format, a prompt on the first side, set of lyrics on the second side, and always a picture that looked like two people falling in love like the lyrics we're singing about. And as you can see, it doesn't always work, but they kept persisting. Numbers rise and fall like waves because TikTok often has a neighboring effect where one video does well, well, the ones close to it won't rise up as well. And this group was not shy about doing similar tactics over and over again. And really, this group only has a few formats that they do, and they slide back and forth between the different formats. And boy, does it seem to work as they get millions of views. I know a ton of you don't want to do dances or even show your faces. Well, here's a viral formula where you do none of that. And if you want to learn more about this, I went super in-depth on what this group is doing on my members-only YouTube stream, which is linked to the description. But I know a lot of you are like, Yeah, okay, Jesse, but they make poppy music. Despite how bad you butchered that vocal line, it's way poppier than the music I make.  And you don't understand non-pop music. Well, chief, I got news for you. It's working all over the place. A great example of this is the band Love Rarely, who I've been listening to non-stop ever since I found them from this technique on TikTok. They're doing a similar technique of repeating similar videos on TikTok and changing the message a little bit in the prompt. And they're doing amazing numbers for a group where the genre doesn't have a very huge audience, as you can see here. And that's one of the things, too, is so many of you get disappointed when the numbers aren't huge. And you have to remember, some of your genres at this scale are not going to get that big numbers at first, but over time, this all adds up. So that's all to say, as usual, you really messed up by doubting me, chief. But here's the takeaways. When something works, think of not how you imitate it, but how you improve upon the idea each time. Secondly, align your music with prompts and imagery that feel emotionally strong and in line with what your earworm is saying that you're putting in your videos from your song. And three, since many of you messed this up, make sure to use the same hook from the song over and over so it gets in people's heads and then they go to listen to it. And tip three is related to this, that if you have very few followers right now, it is just as likely you will blow up on Instagram, TikTok, or YouTube Shorts. If you post the same short form to each of those platforms. Instagram has really caught up to TikTok on making the algorithm engage users with songs and so many people, myself included, have a way easier time building on Instagram than TikTok right now. That's not to say everybody, but you have to experiment for yourself. And to make things even more crazy, if you're someone who's making music videos and then chopping them up into short form and then connecting the short form to the long form videos you make on YouTube, well, it's possible that may be where you get a lot of your streams from. I see different ways artists are blowing up every single day since I talk to so many different types of artists. So this tip is a lot like the first one I made in that you should diversify and experiment with platforms. And if you look at good neighbors' videos right here, you can see that some of them are getting a massive amount of views on Instagram and some of them are getting a massive amount of views on TikTok. And yet when they post it on the other platform, it would not get as much attention. So the algorithms are totally different in what they would boost. So you should really be giving all the short form platforms a try and pay attention to which platform it does best on and lean into that one. But really, you should be leaning into all of them since as you can see from good neighbors' example, you cannot predict that just because a video does well on one platform, it'll do the same on another. Okay, but time for the fourth and final tip. I'm going to go back to that chart we looked at at the top of this video. See that death loop Twitter? Well, it's really dying. You could argue that all the other apps are doing pretty minimal movement, especially considering they're all pretty old. But Twitter is really not doing well. But that doesn't mean people don't want to read short form text. Hell, I'm an addict of it.  Threads is where it's at right now. And so many artists I know are growing a following there. This is a big tide shift that's happening right now. And the thing that's really starting to work about threads is that so many more people are using Instagram. If people follow you on Instagram, they often follow you automatically when they use threads. So once you have a follower on Instagram, you have potentially diversified another place to communicate with them without having to beg for a follow. Since Instagram users can automatically set themselves to follow whoever's on threads that they follow on Instagram. Also, Instagram pushes threads to users of their platform. And it's another way that you can get discovered. But one of the things I love most about threads is that it shows most people a lot of different posts from people that they don't follow. So if you're interacting on threads and you're good with text, your threads will show up to strangers who could end up hearing about you and following you and grow your fan base. I don't know how long it'll be like this, but having another platform that's really low effort to post on, where you have more of a chance of people seeing your announcement, increases your chances of fans seeing and hearing your song and sticking around with you to hear your other announcements. So here's the thing. While you just learned all of this, if you really want to grow your fan base, you need to understand how to make algorithms like you, which I talk about in the video on the screen right now. So make sure to watch that next if you want to really level up. Thanks for watching.


Again, in data entry or still in data entry, the QR code, it's another functionality that has been there for many versions already. The new aspect now is that we have been asked to display the QR code to make it to be able to use it once it has been created in the application. In addition to being able to scan or create QR codes, what you can do now is to display it on your screen so that you can either share it with the default share functions of the device or they can screenshot or just offer your screen for being scanned directly from there. For the QR code, I think we are going to use the child program. This is a tracker program that has one attribute marked as a QR code in the rendering type. So all you are seeing is not new. This is the TI dashboard, TI values. But now when I tap on the icon, what I see is it doesn't open the camera as it did before. What it does is to open the QR code so that from here you can share it with the default functionalities or you can actually open. The camera and change it and scan a new one.


oing to be another possibility for him to face plant potentially look like a fool and lose momentum now if you look at public opinion polls there hasn't been much lately but national polling suggests that Joe Biden is starting to lose momentum Bernie is starting to gain momentum now the problem is that the rate to which Bernie's gaining momentum it's very slow so Biden knows you know he doesn't have this wrapped up yet Bernie Sanders isn't mathematically eliminated so if he debates Bernie Sanders and it goes horribly wrong it goes any way that you know his last interviews went it could be bad for him it could be enough to change the dynamic of the race now I don't necessarily believe that any debate with Joe Biden and Bernie Sanders could be as catastrophic for Joe Biden as that Mike Bloomberg debate was because like that was a different time in America even though that was like a month away now everyone is glued to their televisions looking for information on COVID-19 mainstream media isn't going to talk about the Democratic Party primary they're going to pretend as if it's over so it's going to be harder to get everyone's attention but still you know even if nothing it changes when we see this debate and Biden has another solid performance you still have to do it because this primary isn't over and since the last debate and last couple of debates things in this country and the world have changed dramatically so of course you have to you know show people that you're still you know you're in tune to what they're dealing with and if anything Joe Biden needs more practice before going up against Donald Trump in September if he is the nominee so I mean this is just going to help you but I mean we all know Joe Biden is scared his team wants to hide him away and I'll admit I think that's a good strategy if I were working for Joe Biden I never would but if I were I would hide him away as much as possible from the public because the more he's out the more visible he is of course you know the more chance that people will see him face plan or make a gap or say something stupid um but I mean he wanted to be president so this is uh what you have to do now Bernie was asked about this in an interview with CNN Anderson Cooper asked him what he thought about Joe Biden's you know disregard of the possibility of a debate and Bernie Sanders I think made a really strong case for another debate Vice President Biden was asked about whether there should be another debate in in April he essentially said you know uh that the time is done for for that um I'm wondering what you made of his response well I you know I don't agree with him I mean I think that what is happening right now obviously it's a very strange moment for any campaign and that is state after state I think Pennsylvania yesterday or today is delaying their elections Kentucky has delayed their elections in New York state considering delaying their elections so we've got a strange moment but I think you know one of the things that I think the people want is especially in this unprecedented crisis in modern American history is to hear the ideas of candidates as to how we got into this disaster why do we have such a dysfunctional health care system why do we have an economy in which half of our people living paycheck to paycheck scared to death tonight that if their paycheck ceases uh how they're going to feed their kids and take and pay the rent so I think we need a good debate as to where we go not only just now but in the future and to my mind if there's anything that this unprecedented moment in American history should teach us we got to rethink the basic structures of American society and that is guarantee health care all is a human right create an economy that provides for all people not just the wealthy yeah I agree with Bernie Sanders things have changed substantially just within the span of a couple of weeks our lives are incredibly different now so you have to give people the option to maybe go in a different direction and you know it's not like it's a foregone conclusion that a debate is going to fundamentally reshape the dynamics of this race a lot of people have just moved on the media certainly has moved on but you have to have this debate you have two competitors one of them is the frontrunner but the other is not mathematically eliminated so just you agree to 12 debates Joe Biden agreed to 12 debates so to not at least meet the bare minimum and just suck it up for two hours and have another debate I mean come on for Bernie Sanders though he has everything to gain nothing to lose Joe Biden has everything to lose and nothing to gain but it's probably not even that serious so the fact that he doesn't want to debate Bernie Sanders it shows what a coward he is look if you can't debate Bernie Sanders someone who's willing to be really nice to you then you can't take on Donald Trump and I think that he realizes that people are losing confidence in him his six-day MIA right his media tours his gaffes the fact that he hasn't been a leader during this COVID-19 crisis people are losing confidence in him and so there's a lot of pressure in these debates if he doesn't perform well Democrats may lose even more faith in him so he knows that there's a lot at stake but regardless you agree to 12 at least do 12 that's the bare minimum it's the right thing to do it's the democratic thing to do and people deserve to see another debate we've had one one-on-one debate with Bernie Sanders and Joe Biden let's at least have one more before you try to wrap this thing up and democratic party elites try to wrap this thing up so currently Joe Biden is vetting several women to possibly be VP and you know there is different criteria that I'm assuming he's using but one specific thing he's really looking for is someone who is prepared to lead the country should he not be able to be president now this is according to a report by Mariana Sotomayor and Tim Stello of NBC News and some people on the left are kind of thinking does this mean like is he kind of signaling that he doesn't think he'll be able to serve a full term I don't necessarily think that that's the case I think that he may just be choosing someone who he thinks can take over in the event he chooses not to pursue a second term if he's elected president but nonetheless let's hear him out so democratic presidential frontrunner Joe Biden said Sunday that he has talked with former president Barack Obama about a potential vice presidential pick speaking to over 70 Georgia donors on a fundraising call Biden said he and Obama recently agreed that his vice presidential nominee must have the political experience to step in as president if he were unable to serve the most important thing and I've actually talked to Brock about this the most important thing is that there has to be someone who the day after they're picked is prepared to be president of the United States of America if something happened Biden said they have to be prepared Biden said once I pick someone God willing if I'm the nominee that there's not going to be any snafu Biden has said repeatedly that he would prefer to pick a woman as his vice president but he disclosed only recently that he is taking his age he is 77 into consideration as he makes his choice I have to pick someone if God forbid tomorrow if I contracted what my son had or something like that that the person is ready on day one to be president of the United States Biden said in February at a CNN town hall in Manchester New Hampshire so look I will admit that I think that people are probably reading a little bit too much into this anytime you are trying to figure out who should be your vice presidential pick you do have to take that into consideration if something catastrophic happens and you die that person has to be ready to assume the role as president and you know as we saw back in 2008 especially if you're older you can really make a choice that just ruined your chances like John McCain chose Sarah Palin and now the Republican Party is perfectly you know comfortable with that type of politician since we have Donald Trump a lot of people view that as you know hurting his chances if he died you know while he was in office Sarah Palin would become president and she is an imbecile right so I think that Joe Biden knows he has to pick someone that's competent but without being said given the state of his cognitive functions you know is there a possibility that he's choosing someone to lead should he not be able to even complete a term I mean sure it's it's entirely possible but what I kind of think when I see this is one sure you have to be responsible and pick someone who's ready but two I don't think he wants to run for a second term if he's elected president I don't even think he really wants to be president I think that he thought this would be easy you know he wouldn't have to fight hard for it he just runs and is president he's always running president so why not I don't think he actually wants to do this I don't think he's up to the task so if he's elected he is choosing someone who he thinks will be his successor in the same way that he was Obama's successor he's choosing someone to basically carry on his legacy whatever that may be and that's kind of what I am looking at which is why I think that having Joe Biden be the Democratic Party nominee is really harmful to the progressive movement because if he is the president sure that's preferable to Donald Trump getting another four years given how close you know he is to replacing another seat on the Supreme Court then whoever Joe Biden's nominee is does have a really good chance of becoming the next nominee because name recognition is incredibly important so let's say he picks some corporate tool like Stacey Abrams well automatically she is well positioned to run in 2024 2028 and that sucks because she has a good shot of winning in that instance if she was a former vice president and she's a terrible candidate she's not a good candidate she's a corporate sellout she's friends with Mike Bloomberg of all people so you know who he picks is going to influence the Democratic Party and their trajectory for the coming years if not decades so that is what you know I think he's looking at you know who is going to carry on this pro-corporate legacy you know because we've heard there are various reports that Bill Clinton told Tom Perez to not let Bernie Sanders take over the Democratic Party we know that the elites the leaders in the Democratic Party Barack Obama stepped in to make sure that Keith Ellison couldn't be the DNC chair so that way Tom Perez would when he made calls on his behalf so the party doesn't want to relinquish control to the progressive wing of the party they don't want to do that so I think that this is also what Biden is considering but sure I do think there's a possibility that you know maybe he is worried about his own health maybe he is worried that you know cognitively he may not be able to handle being president um but I think that mostly what this is about is someone who he believes can carry on his legacy once he chooses to step down and not seek a second term because I really can't imagine a situation to where he's elected president and he is looking for a second term I mean with Bernie if he were president sure you can expect him to seek a second term because you know he's currently sharp you know he he's quick on his toes he's doing okay but with Joe Biden I mean we all see that it's obvious he clearly should not be doing this it almost feels really cruel to have him run for president and to have his staffers you know push him so hard because it's like he should be spending time with his grandchildren and retiring so you know I don't know what this means certainly you know all we can do is speculate but Joe Biden kind of put his foot in his mouth by using specific words like you know if there's any snafu I mean that's not really doing anything to assure people that you know you're you're confident in your own ability and more importantly healthy because you know age is not the most important thing ever but you know you you have to give us confidence and with statements like this he's not really giving people confidence so to people reading you know I think a little bit too much into what I don't necessarily blame them because this does seem like he's not really confident that he's going to be able to serve you know a full term even if I don't necessarily think that that's what he's implying but I mean he just he can't not say a thing that makes us feel uneasy about him being the nominee so I mean look it's not too late you can still vote for Bernie Sanders someone who clearly will be capable of serving at least four years so um vote for Bernie because Joe Biden would be a disaster and you know even if he's just in there for four years whoever his VP will be will probably be terrible and continue this corporate neoliberal legacy that of the Democratic party and the one that the trajectory that they're on currently and that is something that we just can't afford to do any longer so as many of you know several women came forward last year with allegations against Joe Biden and these allegations claim that he touched them inappropriately now the things that these women individuals like Lucy Flores alleged were that he you know without their consent smelled their hair kissed their heads you know things of that nature um and he apologized and then the media after defending him moved on however now we are learning about an allegation from a woman named Tara Reid that is very serious this is the most serious allegation that has been alleged about Joe Biden and she reportedly tried to come forward at the time when other women were coming forward although she was discouraged after being attacked and defamed and she reached out to an organization called Times Up which is supposed to help me too victims and she was denied because they claim that since they are a nonprofit they can't help her against someone who's running for federal office which is really a dubious claim to make legally speaking but the story goes a little bit deeper and Ryan Grimm released an article in the Intercept that explains that there's a conflict of interest that prevented them from helping her out but before we get to that I actually want to go over her claims because these haven't been independently vetted yet Ryan Grimm didn't really talk about these claims in his article he talks more so about the aspects of Times Up not wanting to assist her but she did appear on Katie Halper's podcast and she described what Joe Biden allegedly did to her and this is very serious now I can't provide you with the evidence I can't independently verify the claims that she's making myself so all we have right now are her story her words her story and we have not heard at the time I'm recording this from Joe Biden or his team yet but I do think that she deserves to be heard and I think that this is important it goes beyond politics this is about making sure that people in power men in power specifically can't use their positions of power to get their subordinates to do things that are inappropriate that they don't feel comfortable doing so I'm going to play a little clip this is about two minutes long from her interview with Katie Halper you can find this full video here on Katie's Twitter but she hasn't released the full interview as of yet when that does come out I'll link to it down below but here's a quick overview of what she claims Biden did to her back in the 90s when she worked for him he just said hey come here Tara and then I handed him the thing and he greeted me he remembered my name and then it we were alone and it was the strangest thing there was no like exchange really he just had me up against the wall and I was wearing like a skirt and you know a business skirt but I wasn't wearing stockings it was kind of a hot day that day and I was wearing heels and I remember my legs had been hurting from the marble you know of the capital like walking and I so I remember that kind of stuff I remember like I was wearing a blouse and he just had me up against the wall and the wall was cold and I remember he it happened all at once the gym bag I don't know where it went I handed it to him was gone and then his hands were on me and underneath my clothes and um yeah and then he went oh he went down my skirt but then up inside it and he penetrated me with his fingers and um I uh he was kissing me at the same time and he was saying something to me he said several things and I can't remember everything he said I remember a couple of things I remember him saying first before like as he was doing it do you want to go somewhere else and then him saying to me when I pulled away he um got finished doing what he was doing and I how he was pulled back and he said he said come on man I heard you liked me and it's that phrase stayed with me because I kept thinking what I might have said and I can't remember exactly if he said I thought or if I heard but it's like he implied like that I had done this like I don't know and for me it was like everything shattered in that moment because I knew like we were alone it was over right he wasn't trying to do anything more but it's I looked up to him he was like my father's age he was this champion of women's rights in my eyes and I couldn't believe it was happening it didn't see it seems surreal so as you heard from the details of this these are very serious allegations you know the inappropriate touching was one thing but what she is describing here is full-on sexual assault so what I think needs to happen is the FBI needs to investigate this if Joe Biden you know wanted to be responsible he would call for an FBI investigation but um yeah this is uh this is very disturbing now she went on to talk about how he pointed at her he put his finger in her face or something like that and said you're nothing to me because he was offended that she rejected his advance it's it's really really troubling now I do want to get to Ryan Grimm's piece here this isn't the full story but I'll link to that also down below what he describes here is also really disturbing because it shows that you know conflicts of interests exist in politics and even though organizations do good at the end of the day you know politics is politics and people in power are going to have a lot of their little uh minions look out for them so Ryan Grimm writes last April Tara Reid watched as a familiar conversation around her former boss Joe Biden and his relationship with personal space unfolded on the national stage Nevada politician Lucy Flores alleged that Biden had inappropriately sniffed her hair and kissed the back of her head as she waited to go on stage at a rally in 2014 Biden in a statement in response said that not once in his career did he believe that he had acted inappropriately but Flores's allegations sounded accurate to Reid she said because Reid had experienced something very similar as a staffer in Biden's Senate office years earlier after she saw an episode of the ABC show the view in which most of the panelists stood up for Biden and attacked Flores as politically motivated Reid decided that she had no choice but to come forward and support Flores she gave an interview to a local reporter describing several instances in which Biden had behaved similarly toward her inappropriately touching her during her early 90s tenure in his Senate office in that first interview she decided to tell a piece of the story she said that matched what had happened to Flores plus she had filed a contemporaneous complaint and there were witnesses so she considered the allegation bulletproof the short article brought a wave of attention on her along with accusations that she was doing the bidding of Russian president Vladimir Putin so Reid went quiet as the campaign went on Reid who first supported senator Elizabeth Warren and then senator Bernie Sanders began to reconsider staying silent she thought about the world she wanted her daughter to live in and decided that she wanted to continue telling her story and push back against what she saw as online defamation to get legal help and manage what she knew from her first go round would be serious backlash she reached out to the organization Times Up established in the wake of the Me Too movement to help survivors tell their stories by February she learned from a new conversation with Times Up which also involved director Sharon Tejani that no assistance could be provided because the person she was accusing Biden was a candidate for federal office and assisting a case against him could jeopardize the organization's non-profit status the public relations firm that works on behalf of the Times Up legal defense fund is skd nickerbocker who's managing director Anita Dunn is the top advisor to Biden's presidential campaign a spokesperson for Biden declined to comment the skdk spokesperson assigned to Times Up referred questions back to the national women's law center so you know it's it's absurd to think that they will lose their non-profit status because first of all the whole point of the Me Too movement is to communicate to people in positions of power that they are not protected from these types of allegations Harvey Weinstein you know politicians so if you're saying that your goal is to protect women but you can't touch anyone who's a politician who's running for office what's the point now of course this is nonsensical lawyers who Ryan Grim consulted with said no that what they're saying is a stretch it doesn't really make sense what I think makes sense is that Anita Dunn she is working with Biden's campaign and um they didn't want to pursue this because they knew that it could potentially hurt him politically and Tara as far as I know is a credible person her allegation is very serious and I understand her reasoning as to why she didn't want to come out first of all she initially supported Elizabeth Warren and then moved on to Bernie Sanders so by supporting Biden's opponents his biggest opponents she didn't want this to seem politically motivated on top of this she didn't want to single-handedly hurt Joe Biden's chances because she doesn't want Donald Trump to get reelected and on top of that Democrats attacked her by calling her a Russian asset how despicable is that they're not being responsible and calling for an investigation they're not calling for these claims to be vetted they smeared and famed her that's what they chose to do this is just despicable now after we just saw Christine Blasey Ford come out against Brett Kavanaugh everyone who was in the Democratic Party said that you know Brett Kavanaugh if he were truly innocent would call for an investigation would actually vet these claims and they were critical of Republicans rightfully so but now all of a sudden crickets silence the media is ignoring this story so far Me Too activists like Alyssa Milano defended Joe Biden last year and are saying nothing now at the time I record this video about Tara Reid's claims these are very serious claims this is exactly what the Me Too movement was created for to let women know that they can actually share their story right if they had someone who was in a powerful position come on to them touch them inappropriately sexually assault them they could share their story and this movement had their backs but what Democrats are doing is choosing to put politics over morality and that's genuinely disgusting like this story beyond like the actual details makes me lose a lot of faith in humanity because I already knew that Democrats didn't actually care about the causes that they you know try to promote women's rights marginalized communities I know that they use these types of communities as props to help themselves get elected it seemed you know legitimate to the left but just how brazen they are at just not caring at all about a very serious allegation because they don't want to hurt Joe Biden's chances I mean who cares about politics in this instance who cares about politics and you know I know that as a Bernie Sanders supporter that sounds you know rich coming from me of all people but in the event a politician that I supported was accused of something like this I would expect from them what I expect from anyone else call on the FBI to investigate and vet these claims you would want it to be looked into further if you truly are innocent now we don't know about these details we don't necessarily know at this point in time what Joe Biden's team is saying so far they haven't responded to Ryan Grimm's article and they're kind of just trying to sleep on this story in hopes that it will die and that you know everyone will ignore it since we're all focused on COVID-19 but I think that Tara has a right to be heard as far as we know she seems perfectly credible she tried to come out at a time when other women who felt you know that they were violated by Joe Biden if he touched them kissed them were coming out and that's reasonable but she didn't want to deal with the backlash if you are a normal citizen and you suddenly get a wave of attention and it's disproportionately negative that's really really scary that's really scary like I know firsthand not because of this but like when I first was doing YouTube videos and one of the first videos I posted um when semi-viral because it appeared on the front page of reddit I actually put that video on private so people couldn't see it because the comments that were said about me really like they kind of crushed my soul so you know getting attention just in general is really scary but if you're getting that kind of attention if people are calling you a Russian asset that's really scary especially if you're coming out and you're saying something that is really serious like this so I totally understand her reasoning I think it's it's sound like I would I wouldn't know what to do and this is why a lot of women don't share their stories because it's incredibly scary and they have no confidence that anything will be done but I mean the me too movement the times up fund was created specifically for this purpose so women live in an environment where they feel comfortable sharing their stories and now that it's someone that you know they like they're like no sorry we're gonna leave you hanging we'll refer you to the women's law center but we're not going to help you so we again have to acknowledge that these are allegations at this point they have not been confirmed these claims have not as far as I know been vetted but we need the authorities to get involved we need the FBI to investigate this she has witnesses people she talked to at the time and shared her story with you know her brother friends she shared the story with her mother who has since passed away Ryan Grimm talks about this in an interview with Chris a ball on the hill but this is incredibly serious and you know people need to know about this putting aside the political ramifications we have to be consistent because we can't just pick and choose when to take these claims seriously if it's politically expedient we have to be consistent and bet all of these claims and make sure that we hear these types of stories out right and let the people decide if they choose to believe it or not but this is serious and action needs to be taken attention needs to be paid to this story so you have the details um you'll just have to decide but we'll wait to see if the media actually covers this and actually does a more comprehensive investigation all right folks that is everything as usual before we leave on I think all of our patreon paypal and youtube members for helping the show not just to survive but 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