Bingo! One o'clock, block! One o'clock, rock! We're here on Think Tech Life in the Law. We are honored, truly honored to have with us Evelyn Lance, retired lawyer and judge of the Family Court of the First Circuit. Correct. Thank you for coming on the show, Evelyn. My great pleasure. Let me talk about you for a minute. You were admitted to the bar in the state of Hawaii in 1974. You were appointed to the Family Court in 1980, and you were on the Disciplinary Commission of the Bar Association for 12 years, and you recently just got off that. Twelve years just recently. Correction, it's the Disciplinary Board of the Supreme Court. Pardon me, okay. Very important. And you have been active in the... This is really defining now. You've been active in the ABA Rule of Law project, where you started out by spending one year in Macedonia, and then you've had various trips and experiences all over the world, you know, finding out about the rule of law and trying to create awareness about the rule of law. The most important thing, really, in our time, to bring the world up to that level. What a great career you have. Well, I think this goes to the subject of this program, which is life in the law. And while the first responsibility of every attorney is to do best to represent his or her clients and follow the Code of Professional Responsibility, there are broader ways in which you can contribute. And for me, that was an opportunity a few years after I retired and after my husband had passed away and my children left the house. And at that time, about 1990, the American Bar Association developed a project which was then called CLEE, Central European Law Initiative, and to try to improve justice systems and judicial independence in the so-called emerging democracies. At that time, Eastern Europe, the Balkans, Central Asia, and I had an opportunity to do some work there and had about 10 years of wonderful experiences meeting real people all over the world other than American tourists and hopefully planting a few seeds. That's the way to travel, the real mission. So in the Macedonian experience, the shots had already been fired. And we're not in a war zone, per se, but it was like after the war zone. Well, Macedonia itself was never really a war zone. At one side, this is bordered with Serbia in the north with Kosovo and on the west Albania and the south Greece. But we arrived just after the Kosovo bombing had stopped. And the capital of Pristina of Kosovo was only about 40 miles from the capital of Macedonia, Skopje. So we were getting all the refugees and a lot of aid organizations from all over the world, Europe, Japan. And it was just a fascinating, wonderful, incredible time. Why did you do it? That's a good question. I was ready for something new to fill some gaps in my life. I've always enjoyed travel. We lived abroad for a short time earlier, and it sounded something that would really be enjoyable as well as rewarding. And it was. It was. It would, a great ten years. Ten years. So what did you do in the project? I mean, what was your day like? What kind of functions did you perform? Who did you deal with? What did you achieve? Okay, I can't give you a short answer on that. I know. The ABA started this project in about 1990 and established offices in these countries. And by the time I got to Macedonia, I think it had been going about five years, we had three, we were called liaisons. We had three American volunteer liaisons. My project was working with the Judges Association. They had a very active Judges Association and the leaders of that association really wanted to improve how they worked, how they could gain more public respect. It was a transition from the Soviet system where a minister might call them up and tell them how to decide a case. It was called Telephone Justice. It worked with the Bar Association on sustainability. They were having some major corruption problems. It was not supervised by the Supreme Court as it is here. It worked with the law school. We brought in some visiting people from the U.S. to help them establish clinical legal education because the system was so theoretical. I worked with a domestic violence NGO that was lobbying to get a domestic violence law passed and we did a lot of public education. We did a whole lot of stuff. It was great fun. So is it a sort of an arbitrage of ideas? Say, you know, what we know, what we aspire to in the U.S. as against the problems they had there or wherever you were to try to consult with them and show them a better way? I think we did not want to say we want to show you how the U.S. does it. It was international principles. We looked at a lot of international documents and conventions that I had, as an American, I had never known existed. I didn't know the difference between the European Commission. You had to prepare for this. You had to educate yourself. I educated myself when I got there. But it used to infuriate me when Justice Scalia would talk about how international law doesn't apply in the United States. He doesn't want to be considered as president either, by the way. Yeah, I think so. Well, very interesting. So aside from Macedonia and Kosovo and all that, where else did you serve? Well, I did, I was in Russia for three months. I've been to the Stans, Kazakhstan, Uzbekistan, Kyrgyzstan. One of the most, perhaps the most exciting thing that we did in 2005, we held a conference in Amman, Jordan for Arab women lawyers and judges. They started with judges, but they weren't enough and it expanded to lawyers. We had two or three delegates from each of 14 Middle Eastern and North African Arab countries. Tony Blair's wife, Sherry Booth, the human rights lawyer, was our keynote speaker. And this was the first time these women had ever had a chance to talk to each other. And there was a great spread. Morocco had 500 out of 3,000 of their judges were women. Saudi Arabia women were not even allowed to take the bar examination. And we had two lovely young women who had graduated from the law faculty of their university and were working in male law firms interviewing the female clients that the male lawyers weren't allowed to interview. But it was, they formed an organization and they had annual meetings for a while and then it kind of faded. You went to Nepal? I was in Nepal at a time when this was about 2009 when the Maoist rebellion had, there are several Maoist organizations but the extreme one had stopped their revolution or were stopped and they had a constituent assembly whose task was to draft a constitution and they had a year to do it but they still haven't finished it. But my part of it was to help them with provisions in the constitution that relate to judicial independence. And some of these people had no more than a third grade education and I remembered someone saying that, well the way to have an independent judiciary was to have judges elected so they would be responsible to the people. And this has always been a big issue in the United States as well of course because we have so many elected judges and while I was there I remember looking at my computer and there was a United States Supreme Court case which was decided while I was there and it was called Caperton versus Massey. Mr. Massey was the CEO of the famous Massey Mines which had had numerous disasters and was finally closed down recently but a plaintiff had brought a wrongful death action against the Massey Mines and one in the trial court and then the defendant Massey Corporation appealed to the West Virginia Supreme Court. In the meantime one of the liberal Supreme Court justice was retiring and Mr. Massey put two million dollars into the campaign of his chosen candidate and the Supreme Court then reversed the trial court decision. Members of the Supreme Court were elected by the Supreme Court. Yes well a lot of states still have that but the interesting thing was the plaintiff had a clever lawyer because in appealing to the Supreme Court and ultimately United States Supreme Court they argued that the plaintiff had been denied his due process of law during the appeal because the justice had not recused himself and believe it or not the Supreme Court ruled in this plaintiff's favor and said if it smells like a duck and quacks like a duck I thought this case would make great news all over the United States and it died in a better day. Yeah but that does in fact legally have a it's an exciting precedent when you're dealing with election of judges it undermines and that's a good thing this notion of election of judges. Well I think so and I think in Hawaii we feel very fortunate we don't have it I think there's still about 33 states that do elect judges at least at some point in the system sometimes they're appointed but then have to run for election for retention. Why don't you tell the people why it's a problem to elect judges what are the dark sides of that. Well you know I think if we had judicial elections here in Hawaii it would be very difficult as much as a judge tried to distance himself or herself from the campaign not to think that when a case came up against you in which Bank of Hawaii or first Hawaiian Bank or Hawaiian Electric was a client that there had not been a contribution to your campaign. Yeah sure yeah and there's the appearance of you know that's so important in judicial conduct and in the codes of judicial conduct is that actual impropriety is not the only impropriety there has to be an appearance of propriety and any appearance otherwise has to be avoided. Yeah and that's the center really of this part of our discussion isn't it Evelyn it's the duty of the lawyer to build public confidence in the system because one of the firmest pillars of the administration of justice is public confidence and it's very important for lawyers to do whatever they need to do whatever they have to do to build confidence and judges to in the system. And one of the things that we did in several of the places I worked was to put together a conference of judges and the media because the judges a lot of them had no understanding that their courtrooms were public and that anybody could watch a trial and you know when the media said anything the least bit questionable about them there were threats of lawsuits what else is new right. Especially now these days. But we we try to show that by having an open courtroom and having a judiciary spokesperson which could give information to the media that the judge it would be to the judges benefit because if they can show people the reasons why they are deciding a case that there will be more public trust than that will benefit the whole system. Can you carry it too far but for example what do you think about videotaping proceedings in courts. I haven't had any experience with it. I think it wouldn't happen in family court here so I don't really I think yeah I think there are cases where there's a lot of public interest and and and public of public right to know and those two are not always consistent as the. Sure his name that the the box of murdered his wife. Oh yes Simpson Simpson football player excuse me. There are cases that it might be appropriate for example if there's a constitutional issue or an issue about international dealings or something like that but I don't have a firm opinion on it. Yeah okay well it's really interesting but the general idea is that in a lawyer's daily practice taking clients taking causes advancing positions making arguments he should keep that in mind don't you think it's not an ethical thing it's a trying to see yourself as an emissary of the government to the public you're the connection between the government and the public and how the public feels about the government and if you you know diminish the quality of the government in the eyes of the public you're diminishing the system and you're undermining you know the this that the holy sacred con compact between the public and the Constitution and I think the rules in our Hawaii code of professional responsibility which pretty much follows the ABA model called they emphasize that if you look at the rules on conflict of interest and even rules on trust accounting and all those things. So you would agree with me that it goes beyond strictly compliance with ethical standards it is more of like it's it's ethical standards and an appearance that ethical standards have been complied with I think. We are doing the right thing we're doing the right thing for the country for the people we're noble and idealistic that sort of thing. And sometimes lawyers do have a dilemma as to when the personal interest of the client may not be the same as the public interest and it may not be anything which is a law violation but then that lawyer has to think that through. I remember a short story I remember a piece on TV it might have been 60 minutes or one of those kinds of programs and they had hidden cameras and they were the people who set the program up they were going to various lawyers in lower Manhattan and they were you know trying to get the lawyer to take the case and the case was money laundering it was it was a an attempt to get the lawyer to represent somebody who who pretty much presented as someone who wanted to wander money and most of them by the way this is not good most of them agreed to take the case or provided advice and some of their advice was pretty pretty sleazy. One lawyer one lawyer an older gentleman a solo practitioner in lower Manhattan they came in they presented and he said I'm not gonna do that. Good for him.  Well you know I think the code is clear that a lawyer may not be involved in a client who is going to violate the law in future as to representation of somebody who did launder money but is now longer no longer doing it that's a personal dilemma for the lawyer I think and that's what you're talking about. Yeah and it's something that you know you may it may be a very gray area in a given case it probably is a gray area in a lot of cases but at least it's something the lawyer ought to think about because he's part of a process he is the agent of the government in a sense part of the government and he needs to keep that in mind because his conduct is going to shape our society. 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Okay we're back we're live life in the law with retired judge Evelyn Lance who's done many many things in her career many admirable things and in the number of places and especially in Hawaii and one of the things you know is is is focused on the duty of a lawyer as a member of you know the profession as the representative of the government as a special special person in the community his duty or her duty beyond just practicing just representing clientele I think it's especially important now because we have to build confidence I mean I I think clearly what happened this recent elections a lot of people are not confident about the government that was revealed we didn't know it already and now it's time to look at exactly how you do that and one of the ways you do it is you you belong to our society our community and you've done that so I'm interested in the kinds of organizations the kinds of activities Evelyn that you feel are appropriate for lawyers to participate in the go beyond just representing clients I love to talk about that but but just briefly I you you mentioned the lawyers due to represent the government and I think you meant that in a sense of an increasing trust in the government but there are times when the lawyer has to perhaps not represent the government so one of the organizations that I've supported for several years and if I were about 20 years younger I might go to Mont Gumrielle, Alabama right now and say here I am how can I help is the Southern Poverty Law Center and they were created and founded in 1971 and started pursuing hate groups and particularly the Ku Klux Klan in 1987 the SPLC filed a bongful death suit against the Ku Klux Klan in a particularly gruesome lynching of a young man in Alabama and won a seven million dollar verdict by jury and was able to execute that judgment by having the Klan ordered to transfer their main organizational headquarters property to the mother of the young man who was killed and since then they've continued their activities their website by the way is SPLCenter.org and Southern Poverty Law Center yeah they publish a quarterly newsletter in which they and this is all on their website in which they list the number of hate crimes that are happening in each state they keep prosecuting a lot of these people they have a hate map and they have been reporting an increase not only in hate crimes in the last six months but in the number of organizations that are doing this so they are a wonderful organization and you know what they they need volunteers they need money all those things yeah I'll tell you a short story again if you don't mind I was in the Coast Guard you know and when I was transferred from Hawaii to New York City and my boss in New York City a wonderful man his name is George Weller and he was a senior officer my my boss is a lawyer officer and when I got to when I got to New York I found that he wasn't there he was actually in jail because he had been on a freedom ride in Alabama and they didn't care much that he was in the Coast Guard they just arrested him and and he had to spend some of his leave time in jail in Alabama and when he came back that's when I met him and he explained to me that as far as he was concerned this was part of his duty as a professional as a lawyer they had to do the right thing and they had to advance these you know these causes and these interests I found it quite remarkable the year was 1968 you can imagine how high feelings were running that well I remember it must have been in the late 80s or early 90s one of the annual bar association luncheons here the guest speaker was Morris Deese who was the person who started the Southern Poverty Law Center and he talked about exactly what we're talking about about the whole life in the law and how it involves organizations like SPLC so there are many organizations that you can join as a lawyer that have nothing to do with your practice they don't earn you a farthing they probably cost you money to spend your time with them on the other hand it's it's it's part of life in the law and then you've you've been a clear model in that regard you for example you have participated over years and years in the arts here in Hawaii in the in the Hawaii Opera Theater can we talk about that well you join me in that you were on the board for a time as well I've been on the board for about 35 years but to me the arts whether it's the visual arts or the performing arts round out our lives and it has been established that children's activity and music in the arts is so important in building their the way their brain works and and in making them feel a part of the larger community and Hawaii Opera while in the 35 years or so that I've been involved I've seen the artistic quality of the main productions increase fantastically we just did a wonderful traditional elbow M in October but there's also an extensive education program and the education programs of HOT reach about 22,000 school children and there's a particular project called the Opera Residency in which three or four elementary schools every year are chosen HOT education staff goes in and works with the kids and they the kids produce an opera about a one-hour version of a traditional opera they do everything they build sets they make costumes a two two or three elementary schools are now writing their own operas why Kelly was the first one and the kids write the story and the poetry for the the songs the aria and then the HOT staff will find some operatic music that that suits that particular vibe and it's a wonderful thing they even do learn how to do development by going out perhaps and asking local merchants by contributing something for the sets or the costumes HOT is trying to expand its reach to other parts of the community so for example the opera which comes up at the end of January is an opera written by Andre Previn American composer and conductor based on Tennessee Williams play a streetcar named desire I think that'll be fabulous well that keeps the art form alive doesn't exactly I don't know when I come home and feel troubled I turn on music and it does it for me yeah and it does it for other people and a great gift to a child is to show him or her that you can have the joy of music you can have the you know I go to the opera and invariably in La Boa Mama it's an emotional experience for me I can't I can't help myself and I want kids to know that how that works my children have these musical genes and they've been expressed in other ways I have a son and grandson who do a lot of rock I have another son who's a blues guitarist but it's all music and it's wonderful yeah and it's good for our community and if we want to build the kind of community that will be sustainable in the future that will come together that will be at a level that we that we we want then we have to teach them music we have to teach them togetherness we have to the lawyers have to get out there and do these things I know you've been involved in a number of charities and I admire you so much Evelyn for that well thank you but I think that this this is part of life in the law also because when you contribute to the larger community in any way at all you are contributing to a community that can have public involvement and operate by rule of law yeah that's what we do together and it makes our society better and the lawyers must should be involved you've been involved and I think that's great I think every lawyer should be involved just that way whether it's part of this practice or not we got to go now we're out of time let's retire judge Evelyn Lance we've done some wonderful things thank you so much for coming out thank you so much Jay for having me


Good evening. I'd like to call the Monday, July 17th Berlin select board meeting order with us tonight our flow Smith on my left on my right Joe Stobb to our Nelson with us also is Diane Isbell town treasurer Chief Potter brand of the police department and Tim Davis of the road crew Public comment In addition to their deletions danger, I would like to add discussion on debris removal And or dumpsters under their center, please flooding updates Chief yeah so a couple of paths here both and Torr can speak a little bit on the emergency management side of it Continuing to attend briefs. I don't think we're expecting it There's going to be rain tomorrow, but they're like we've experienced the last several days We're having regular conversations and contact the state EOC Despite what they might think on their hands. There seems to be some communication posts here and there The department heads met with representatives from the National Guard on the SEOC's behalf to see if they're ready needs that You're continuing to have they haven't been met yet. So I think that was a good conversation There was a delivery of humidity fire dehumidifiers and fans That was delivered to the fire department about an hour ago. Those are for our residents For anybody who might be in need of them. I went down to Sear Park trailer park to met some of the residents down there Getting rid of debris is going to be an issue. We had some conversations with that I Think all the other needs down there are being met currently There's still some holes and communication as far as people communicating to 211 that live here in town But us not really being aware what some of those issues may be. So I think we're trying to bridge that gap As far as the PD's out of the house No injuries and everybody stayed safe over this course this kind of disaster Or staffing as good We had a flat on one of the vehicles going through some water they had some obstacle and a flat tire But other than that our vehicles are in good shape and put into good shape Our PD didn't suffer any issues that I'm aware of The surrounding beatings however have had issues that Washington County Sheriff's Department The Ferry City Police Department and my failure Police Department all experienced significant flooding their processing area Redamaged and really not useful at this point I extended an invitation for them to use our facility that becomes a problem for them I think that's all I have to report out Any questions from the Chief? Very helpful. Thank you Tim how are the roads getting better? They're getting better. They're making a lot of progress. We all are across town Started Tuesday morning with a war zone And as far as I can figure last night when I was going to pay for it So it was 17 roads that were inaccessible Tuesday morning and By 7 o'clock Saturday night, I Believe everybody except for the Richardson road with the culvert failure is Able to drive out. I may have missed one or two. I'm not sure but I believe I Haven't got any phone calls that nobody couldn't get out Not everybody's That don't put the doctor We've made pretty good headway on Marylake Road Brookfield Road. Don't map is All the way accessible to the gate There's still some small Some ditch work and stuff to do out there that is gonna get done Here in the next couple of days, hopefully with them Me and my guys have started on Chase road trying to push the rock the brook up through to the bridge From what got washed out there and then we're gonna just my plan is just to work out through we have one culvert to replace tomorrow and then just start filling in what's left the two foot the three foot washouts and They're putting the road back clean the ditches out more. You know, I mean we went through And clean as much as we could to get the water back out of the road turn the water back to the ditches cleaned Oh, you know and set the escalator in front of the bulldozer To open up all culverts get the water back to where it was supposed to originally be clean them out clean up bigger Pipe sort of the trees and logs and stuff. It's real stuff didn't do Well, go away I'd like to thank everybody for everything that they've done for us and support and making phone calls and answering questions and You know the contractors that have helped us out. I believe we're We're we're ahead of a lot of other people at this point. I think would be My biggest fear when this all started was his wintertime Whether we were gonna get stuff put back together. We'll follow it's I Think we'll be in pretty good shape here not in the close in your future It's gonna be a thing I'll be a spread it's gonna be a marathon for sure to be out Thank you for your efforts Don't you guys get any questions or questions for Tim? Are you having issues with the cleaning materials gravel or anything? No, we're We're covering poles at the end of the day, but you know, I mean we're We're we're making it you're pulling out a couple different places to keep food everything so Everything's kind of coming together They've had some mechanical failures and everybody's Loaded from loaders breaking down the crushers breaking down. So we've been pulling out of the pits around here That was Graniteville So everybody's getting a little bit of Everything They've been For the dirt that guys really they they like to work late So in order to keep them moving they've been hauling in here to the shop So in pits close, they got a stockpile to work out of until 7-8 o'clock when they want to quit so We've been moving along the phone calls that I'm making there was to Try to put the whole thing together tomorrow for the bridge for Richardson road for the pickup over the bridge down in Granville We were having a little bit of trouble Reaching the logger that has the bridge just due to the fact of lack of cell service everywhere's narrow and So they've finally connected today, I guess I'm playing phone tag and that's looking like right now It's coming together is they're gonna pick that bridge up between 10 and 12 tomorrow some point and then we'll be here on Richardson road and then As soon as it gets here, I think that's gonna be Our next we will stop what we're doing and focus back to Richardson road We'll get the bridge in get gravel put back up to it So those people can drive in and out of their houses that it'll be accessible And thank you Tim I've actually received many compliments on you and your staff and how responsive you were and how hard working and dedicated And you were just in there doing whatever was needed whenever Greatly appreciated.  Good with rest a little bit of rest a little more rest that we got over the weekend was Definitely what everybody needed you know, I mean from six o'clock Monday morning until I think I left 730 Saturday night with like 93 hours Those guys were only four hours behind me and that was just because I was coming in a little earlier in the morning just to kind of Tree our things and get everybody pointed in the right direction and where we were going to make sure that things were lined up for we peeled off and Started going on the next So you have enough trucks need any more equipment. That's becoming much I think we're good at this point like everything. I mean is is like biggest problem now is we're having with the trucks is The lines everywhere's like every person I've talked to in the last couple of days from the surrounding towns to The truck drivers that are hauling for us to our trucks going in and getting the bigger rock the type 2 is People in there and there is a line of tailgate so far as you can see in front of you in every pet because it's just They're trying to get the easter on their cows cabinet playing field of marriage filled with more town. It's it's just Some of them guys have never seen anything like that before so it's it's just kind of a Waiting game and it's played out kind of nice for us would like I said bringing material here Because if they get jammed up they can start pulling out of what they've got here in the yard to pick the pace back up Well, they shop will through the works in the pits Were there any additional damages from last night's rain Just the one over on my run road the original clean out wasn't quite a Up the snuff and the the rain that came last night kind of silted the The brook ditch back in and it turned it back out in the road, but we went down today with our excavator and Really cleaned it cleaned it and I just have the Hearing just when rolled because it's all good gravel. I told them just when roll it right up the side of the road They still got their one lane road on the side of it and then He said it was already starting to dry out So my plan there is to pick it up and put it in truck and take it back where it came from Need more questions for Tim? Pain turnpike That's gonna be a big one. Yeah That's gonna end up I Know where we left this morning. We were kind of talking about Looking at the possibility of at least knocking it in and back filling it some to Stabilize the infrastructure that runs through there between our water line and the sewer line that run down through there and it just but I Know as far as we thought this morning that Everybody kind of doesn't feel comfortable trying to open it back up the traffic not knowing what voids and everything else are underneath there and then it's all fresh material that starts to Rain or we get any more heavy rain and it decides to start going around the pipe. I'm assuming that it went around the pipe just Sheer head pressure on it If it starts to take that out in the middle of the night, nobody knows about it somebody ends up run it into that So we're potentially looking at another official road extended closure on the road but the only Good thing about it is it's not on the way to the hospital Maltillier was the one that really I think suffered for that being Fisher-Odeley Okay Fire Department Joe Matt, did you want to say anything you want me to say? Well Good evening everybody. I can't see you but I trust her there I apologize for not being there in person But the emergency calls took priority tonight We are still active at the four corners fire station. We ended up hosting the FEMA region one incident support team and the The coordinator for pretty much all the swift water rescue teams in the state When they evacuated the state emergency operation center, they called NASA if they could come Take some space in our firehouse. They've success. We've done that now for a week it did we did identify some Some challenges that we didn't necessarily Know about going into this, but I think we'll be on the on the tap going forward for us to take a look at We have the same level of electrical service coming into the firehouse that I have in my house It's to under damp service. So it's pretty under it was probably very appropriate for when the firehouse was built in the early 90s But you know, we're gonna have to take a look at that as we go forward I'm not entirely sure when we'll be done with our guests I Would say within the next week or so We have gone back as a fire department and I guess let me ask this do you want to Kind of an idea of what we did throughout the week or do you just want to kind of where we're at now and going forward? Well, probably both. Okay. Well, so we stood up Monday and started operations based out of the four-corner station and We ended up actually coordinating a lot of the swift water rescue Calls for service across central Vermont because we had the personnel there that we're going to do them Monday night we slept about 75 People in the four-corner's fire station that has a sleeping capacity of four All of the urban search and rescue teams that were coming in from out of state from as far away as North Carolina and Michigan Touched down at the Berlin firehouse before they were set out to their staging areas their response areas We worked pretty well solid Monday until about one o'clock Tuesday morning and we were able to Kind of put everybody down for for rest Throughout the day Monday. We pulled the trigger on evacuating Weston's mobile home park pretty much the route 12th corridor from Chandler Road to Montpelier As well as the seat drive home park behind the state garage We had a crew down on the 302 corridor monitoring Monitoring the flooding and helping folks figure out how to get out and get in and move around In that 302 corridor all the way from Berlin State Highway to the Berry City line Throughout the day Tuesday, we had crews in and around town Both responding to those requests for assistance getting out of residences Monitoring floodwaters as they went down trying to help Tim's crew figure out what roads were open what roads needed to be open We worked very closely with Chief Bob Ryan with Tim Trying to set those priorities for getting The the town back opened in an orderly fashion We did where I lived down to West Berlin was isolated until Tuesday afternoon when Tim was able to get cross-town road open back up that provided emergency Access in and out down on that end of town Throughout the day Tuesday and Wednesday, we were working with the FEMA crews and the The state use our teams Helping them through navigation and trying to figure out where they were going We had a number of calls for service throughout the day But not only came in through the traditional channels, but came in through places like state hazmat where they would call and say hey there's a Propane tank that's Off-gassing and it's been disconnected and in a bad shape Can you guys go take a look at that and try to try to help figure something out? So a lot of it was triaging those calls and figuring out what needed to happen right away and what what could wait Thursday and Friday we started a pretty big Demobilization if you will we still had a lot of our folks around but we were able to leave them away from the station more And taking care of their normal day-to-day lives. We did keep a crew on at least during the day through the weekend Of course, we were worried about additional flooding on Sunday And then Joe I believe it was about three o'clock Sunday afternoon you pulled the plug and and we were done from there So we're back around to Monday again. We are started. We are keeping I Guess you could say we have the widget board going of the things that We wish we had had and we didn't We did open the shelter at the elementary school Monday night, sorry bouncing around a little bit And we had 95 people in that shelter at one time Our our shelter capacity at the elementary school is 50 Somewhere we're supposed to have 50 cuts and a closet full of supplies. I don't think honestly I don't think Berlin's ever truly had that all of it at once So we do have some contacts in with the Red Cross to see about Filling out the rest of that equipment that's supposed to be in place For us to be able to open the shelter up I guess I will shout it give a shout out to the school. They have been Incredible hosts all of the USAR teams have been sleeping in the elementary school this week and They have found it to be a a very as best as can be Expected, but they've they've been a very welcoming team over there for us We did I Think we're still evaluating we may have some flood damage to our rescue truck Some electrical damage to it from floodwaters. We're still evaluating that to see what See what we need to do going forward with that vehicle other than that I think I Think that wraps up everything I had on my list to tell you Happy to take questions So just that just to add to when he was talking about the electrical service. So when When the urban search and rescue the swift water crew came through I mean you got 225 people filing through there and most of them are at school But you do have a dozen plus in the station and it's hot humid they ended up bringing in AC units we started out with generators switched over and had electrician come up and switched over to you know, right off regular power So that took a little bit, but we also had some challenges with the service And so that was a couple trips with the electrician And going back to the number of people I mean we had 700 over 760 hour man hours Over the course that time with an average of probably 12 at the station any given time That first night we had a crew down on 302 and helped evacuate over 60 people off 302 And the first I'm gonna say Tuesday Wednesday night we were doing mutual aid calls in Montpellier So going back to chief Pompry on and the fans and decommitifiers that were received this for the town residents We are going to Help either deliver them or the issue of power We got five decommitifiers and 37 fans and I wish that was maybe a little different Because any one household's gonna want to three anyway to those decommitifiers, but it is what we have Donation from the Amazon to add nice that is wonderful There was a number of Local groups that have set up in either a food truck or Dropping off food and such So at the end of the day, we also have a crew that'll go out and distribute that we've been trying to get it out earlier and earlier And I don't necessarily think we're we're reaching all the people that probably we should But Let's see so we got a probably about half a dozen roads We went out and did a road survey yesterday And we probably about have half a dozen their spots that probably I mean we can get up the better part of it But there's gonna be some sections of it that we're not gonna put a truck and It would be accessible by pickup And was sure But I want to add to and the fire department was Critical in doing this we had a lot of people that were saved But didn't have access to medication or some other critical thing they needed So Bonnie would take the calls and then we'd coordinate had to get the fire department It helped us out quite a few occasions because they had four wheelers side-by-side second kind of get places You could start your motif Visibly walked medication up like half mile to a location on Brookfield road make sure somebody has their medication So you're trying to be creative and getting people some of their essential stuff basic So that was just my add-on to the mats Thank you, Matt Any questions for either Matt or Joe Um Joe Matt has started the after-action review process. Yes, um, I'd like your permission first before I ask him I'd like just have him to see that through to the end That's okay with you. Yeah, Matt. Is that okay with you? Would you want to take that through to the end? Yeah, it's fine with me perfect, thank you and Matt's already created a Link Start putting your thoughts online so I'll send that out to everybody if you have me and puts for any more questions comments, okay Thank you all for your service big thank you and Next on the agenda is to ratify the appointment of tour Nelson is the administrator Mr. Chair, I recuse myself from this discussion. No fortune. We have a quorum. I Make the motion to ratify the appointment of town administrator appointment of tour Nelson My second. Can you further the discussion all of your favor? All right motion carries Mr. Chair, I move that we fire the interim town administrator God bless you Okay Paving bid openings there should be three bits right there that I've received and I put in your packet a copy of the RP that went out so you can Refer to it during your collaborations. I have one bid here from ST Paving Incorporated This bid the name of the bit better is J. McDonald Authorized representative is Paul Lampson boss and I could say and the bid is $118.25 per ton with a total job cost of $487,190 plus or minus This is J. McDonald Paul Lawson. Yeah, ST Paving 119 you said For time her tongue was a hundred and eighteen point twenty five So I have a bit here for me fresh coat asphalt shape PCOR for Barry and For an estimated tons of five thousand tons at a cost of one 23 hundred twenty three dollars per ton with a total job cost of six hundred twelve six hundred and twelve thousand two hundred and twenty six dollars and How much tons that was one hundred and twenty three ton one hundred twenty three dollars per ton per ton? Okay, thank you five thousand five thousand tons My bid was four thousand one hundred and twenty tons. I didn't say that before I think industries they have a bit here of Espany number of tons and material is 1005 the cost per ton is 95 50 Total cost of the job is 95 thousand nine hundred seventy seven dollars and fifty cents. So what's the difference? So I Don't think somebody better right There was supposed to be all three separate beds. It's just three projects. Yeah, they were all separately for each project. I Think pipes is yeah, there's three minutes here three minutes. Yeah For each project and my knowledge mine is one bid. That's what I got here They're all supposed to be been separate if you if you read through the RFP For sure correctly. It says all jobs are going to be been separately and this bid on their bid. They said they all ask This one said this bid is to pave the airport road Pine Hill Drive and from the Shaw's Maplewood entrances to the Highway 62 intersection in Berlin as per instruction So just just to add on that if I may I I personally reached out to fresh coat nst paving To confirm that they understood that they should they were supposed to bid each individually Thank you Vince. So much. So your first Did their friend that say which project that was for? That was for Pine Hill Drive the next bid is Or two thousand four hundred and fifty ton At a cost of ninety one dollars and forty cents a ton total cost is twenty two thousand two hundred and twenty three thousand nine hundred and thirty dollars and that's for airport road and the last bid is for Shaw's Maplewood and skim coat Estimated estimated number of tons is two hundred and twenty cost per ton is a hundred and seventy six thirty and the total cost of the job is thirty eight thousand seven hundred eighty six dollars and The total cost of all three projects is three hundred eighty five thousand six hundred ninety three dollars and fifty cents Assuming their math is correct Well that sounds like that's the lowest bid that you have for the entire project And I think it's I mean I'm assuming that it's for the entire project probably the lowest bid for each individual project, too They're all they're all in the 90 Yes, I will provide just overnight The only thing I noticed in the bids that you had Brad for all of the tonnage Their tonnage was much less in terms of what they would utilize for all three projects so I think on Pine Hill it was a thousand five and Airport road was two thousand four fifty and two twenty for Shaw's So that would be just about three thousand seven hundred ish Mine was four thousand one twenty or Presumably all of the projects And up here 25 Can I ask another question? Yeah, go ahead. This one's just it's Vince, but that's okay We've changed your name since okay. Thank you. Yeah, I'm sure I've been called a lot of things since then but that's okay The question is for Tim actually Tim they were supposed to also reach out and Let you know if they were gonna do a the site review and check the tonnage themselves as well Did they all three do that? Yes, okay Okay, you know, thanks Vince. I just wanted to make sure that was clear. I Came up with three thousand six forty five One more thing to add I'm not sure you guys were made aware of it because it came Came with privy like during his departure This happened but we have a state grant The Pave Airport Road, but I believe it's the two hundred forty thousand as well We've got the grant for I believe it's a 30% match so that is For the most of us is coming from wasn't to grant the Pave State grant to pave the airport road for the Boston Highway Grants. We've received that this year We got word earlier in spring that we were Accepted for it, but they had to go through a Review process and what not and we've been waiting waiting and waiting and waiting not hearing anything in them I believe it was the Friday that Vince's last day at the end of the day. He sent me an email Saying that they accepted accepted the project and we have been granted the The grant I have some paper work Yeah, you should you should have received a copy of it Diane Yeah, okay now to does anybody just like we need to sign that or not. We all said on there Does anyone need to sign that grant that's it'll need to be signed? Yes But it's a it's a standard one It can be signed by the by mr. Nelson as well. It doesn't have to be the board. It's a I do have it So mr. Chair, I would recommend we pay with this decision until the next meeting Just so maybe we can get a better idea of what expenses were Possibly facing with this disaster and a better idea of what we may or may not have coming from FEMA I think in potential we're looking at a cash flow issue With you know all these expenses having to be paid and waiting for Firmly reimbursement things like that so The invoices are starting to come in from the project right now and a little sizable In a second I second that motion. I think that's why is at this point. Thank you for the suggestion to her Any other discussion on this all those in favor All right Okay motion passes Okay Ratification of the pump purchase for the sewer I make the motion to ratify the pump purchase decision That was beaten for which we are doing the ratification tonight second Okay, and the pump purchase is for to pump a manhole to manhole at the sewer line on Pain turned by North fails Yes Okay, any other discussion on this all those in favor I motion carries Trying to still do things but door with As far as When you do that, can we look into the fact that being rewarded that grant We don't pay for the airport. Yes. Yes. I mean if we don't use it it makes sense To perhaps not pay the other two projects. No, I agree. Well, so The only reason this it was a section out here that we have some problems with the winter time now Then it's it's gotten to be so thin. Yeah, all that was was And yes, we can cut it out But it was just the little wheel tracks in so the bottle stopped coming back And we ended up there today and fill it again because the rain keeps falling real well So I was more or less just a Yeah The flat the wheel tracks out from some every truck traffic because that's what that was but yes I agree like the pine kiln Don't have I was just curious If there was a timeline on that grant class to grant that if we Didn't fulfill it in a certain amount of time That we we because that Grand is pretty much the whole giving that pace for Sound for the job. If it's we got to 20 and I think I said that very close to or the it was This I was just curious that if we could look into that to make sure that oh, yeah I don't want to shut down. We want to actually just issued it. Hey, you think they at least give me 30 I Get a little like warranty Okay anything Anything else on that Tim? That was just your worry. Just say but yeah, I'm expired. I'm trying to line this bird stuff up too So I'm kind of dead. Yeah, I got you. Okay, um The um I guess probably a discussion on the local options tax brolin pilot or volunteer fire department merger Um, I guess first option first option first time on the options tax I know Dave Sawyer was on the air it out broadcast And I just wanted to pick his brain see how a few thoughts and comments from that how that went Joe, I think have you done that yet or Have any thoughts on how you thought how it went or Well, I mean they're giving us it's like a seven to ten minute um period of time and there's just You know, there's a few comments that go out. I think it's really about just starting This is just starting to get the word out to talk about it. Um, I think I think when we turn around we're gonna have me the august seventh meter Right, we have like half hour or whatever discussion of The fire department merging with the town And that's going to be hopefully I'm hopefully there's a lot of town folk coming um The two of them go together And they really should be discussed together um But going back to my thoughts on I mean, you don't get you really don't get any feedback during the session Okay so Have you seen that? I've not. Oh, okay. I've seen that. I've not seen yours. Have you seen that? I have not either one of them Neither one of them. Oh my and so I'd like to see more More feedback going out to the do this new fangled social media. So I guess the town now has a instagram account or something Well I guess it's a newer better thing than facebook Can you help us on this? I'm a huge proponent of the local options tax. I think it will be very beneficial. I think there's more Um opportunities as a result and I think it will be benefit for the residents and the town And given everything we're experiencing right now We need it more than ever in my opinion And I think there's just general a lot of not a lot of Knowledge out there what it was about. I was talking to Cali today and and somebody was Just asking for their tax bill or something and somehow the local options tax got brought up and they didn't know anything about it or You know that we recently voted on it in November and And Cali was able to explain to them and everything. So I think there's just a lot a lot of good information out there I wonder if ray lean and staff from aired out would actually come to our next sweat board meeting And actually kind of do a session here Where we can I can I interrupt just for a second to Give you my take on that flow because We we do have a contract with with ray lean On aired out to do this So tour her her contact information is in the computer or I can send it to you again as well But the two interferes there were two interviews in june that both joe and Dave did We're in the process of looking for Two more volunteers residents For july to do a similar thing But I would suggest and ray lean is willing to come to a select board meeting But also maybe tour Just to reach out and chat with her There's a there's basically a program lined up by quarter Of how we're and what we're putting together for information to get out to the public and To your earlier point. They are also able to track statistics On who's who's looking at the views? And give us some demographics on how many are residents and how many are not And if there's positive and negative comments So she has all that information. She's given me one report before I left If you just reach out she'd be more than happy to speak with you on it Or I can I can reach out and have her get in touch with you If that's easier But we have that it's lined up. There is a plan leading right up to To november on how to manage that and she did a very similar program for barry And I'm not saying that's why it passed but it passed first go around Following a similar program Thank you vance So what is our plan for bringing local option stacks back to the voters? Well, we gotta do some sort of education on it, right? Before we we had a good setup of staying there at the Grange hall, right? That was there with fair turnout there, too Then I think that was about to all the chatter changes And I'm trying to think does the town need a chatter change to incorporate the other fire department or is that No, is that right vance? I I did not see anything when I looked through the charter or the administrative code that required that Okay, so the only thing we need to do is Is find a way to get the information out to the voters About what the local options tax is how it will benefit them and Then take and put it up for uh, uh, the voting for a charter change As far as the education part Um, I don't know I know vince put together and you probably still have it been so very thorough Overview was in written form And you presented it to us at one of our meetings Select board meeting with other residents and I'm thinking that would be really good to get out as part of the educational process And uh, whether we do bits and pieces of that through front page forum or on the website You know download the document where people can open it read through it Maybe even have question and answer session Um, I think any of that would be beneficial because you put a really good amount of information into that document Yep, there's two documents. There's the The power point and then kind of a I think it's a one pager maybe a two pager of some very specific Numbers and information as well I yeah, they're they're in the computer. I'm happy to uh, pull those out and send them as To to tour as well. So if you want, please Yep I will do that So what are we voting on in november? Excuse me? I hate to break in again, but um Uh, matt romay has his hand up. It's been up for a while. I think he has a question for the board Yeah, matt Oh, no, I was just going to Of volunteer as a tribute for I aired out If you're still looking for somebody I'm happy to go and uh explain how that local options tax will affect the fire department and um I mean I if if we are in entertaining the discussion of the merger tonight Um, I'm happy to to say a few words on that if you desire to hear them Sure Go ahead. Um, so all those hours that uh, joe mentioned earlier that uh, I mean it's it's it's an under report right now because I I know we don't have everything documented, but Um, we're gonna struggle to find a way to compensate our our folks for their efforts last week and Part of that is because we are a separate entity from the town. The fire department is not the town um, there are, uh grave concerns right now in our fleet and um We can see shiny red fire trucks, but when you when you think about Uh, a capital improvement plan for a tower truck Uh, joe, do you want me to mention our grading? Right now or hold up. This would be a great time to mention that Okay, so A year ago we were notified by iso, which is the insurance services offices the and that's the I guess the best way I can describe it.  No fire protection at all one being, uh, awesome fire protection and It's a it's a weighted study based on your, uh, water supply Based on your communications system Based on your fire department based on your manpower based on your equipment and, uh, there are And again, there's there's a manual for it, but uh, I They put all this stuff into a computer and it spits out a number We have the same iso rating in the town of berlin that the city of montpelier does And that's saying something because they have full-time personnel in the station They have a Municipal water system throughout their entire town their entire city And for us to be able to make up for those things as an all-volunteer department Is pretty epic to be honest with They notified us a year ago that they were going to downgrade us by a grade from a four to a five And for a single family two hundred thousand dollar home. That means about two hundred dollars a year in homeowner's insurance I have not been able to get an insurance company to tell me what that would mean for 802 honda or comfort in or center from on hospital those places But it's got to be a met worth of money Just changing that one iso grade And for us to maintain a grade of four Uh, which we were notified a couple weeks ago that we got our final determination We are going to maintain a class score fire rating for the town of berlin Part of that we were able to do Uh, just to give you an idea for a full-time fire personnel To cut to get the same point benefit. You have to have three volunteers It's a three to one ratio Um We were able to do that through our mutual aid Membership from the capital fire mutual aid system, but we were also able to do that through the work of our volunteers and They're doing it for nothing I I will tell you I have a semi unpopular opinion that the town of berlin is not Set up right for a volunteer fire department. We have 2,900 nighttime residents Uh, we cannot adequately We can't adequately do the job with Uh, an all volunteer force anymore based on the industrial and commercial nature Uh and retail nature of the town That risk uh quotient Is rapidly climbing Chestnut place is a huge risk that's added to our risk analysis Fox runs that the next one that will be another one that adds to our risk Within the town of berlin and we're going to seriously have to look at a change in how we do business Um at the fire department It's my opinion that, uh That we need to become part of the town And by becoming part of the town we gain We gain things day one Our insurance costs They don't evaporate but they are decreased significantly Our accounting costs are are all of these other things that we have to pay for because we are our own entity all of a sudden, uh Become quite less of an impact on the budget What does it change though is our need to adequately fund the capital improvement program We bought a uh tower truck in Maybe a year ago now Or a little less than a year ago now We had to do that because our old tower truck was 85 feet and iso requires 100 feet Or you're able to reach all of your buildings, which I don't think we were able to do anyway But it requires 100 foot towers. So now we meet that We meet that requirement That tower truck is used it is not going to survive forever It takes $75,000 a year in the capital improvement plan to replace the tower truck Uh cash money if you will so that when it uh when it wears out we can just write a check for a new one Um, we don't have that kind of uh input right now into our capital improvement plan I think that's where that local options tax becomes so important Um, I'll take the opportunity while we're here. We're always taking volunteers Tuesday night 6 30 come on down to the firehouse We'd love to have you but You know, it's becoming uh Uh, it's becoming a pretty exceptional challenge right now to recruit trained and retain volunteers Uh in this day and time we were extremely fortunate over the last week We were able to pull from people that we normally don't get a chance to to Um to support that flood operation Um, and I'm hopeful we'll be able to do it the next time it happens So there's my little pitch for the local options tax Thank you matt The else on the local options tax Uh, you know along with the part department, uh, Joe mentioned, uh Public hearing will be on our agenda for the next meeting Uh from what it looks like we're looking to form a committee Uh to explore that Um And if so, I think it'd be wise to put out Um A notice beforehand looking for committee members I'm not sure there's going to be that many people here at them. Well Hopefully i'm wrong and hopefully we'll have a list of people to choose from But I'd like to or you know in case somebody couldn't make it that night who would be otherwise interested Do you have an idea of the size of the steering committee? It wouldn't well be much more than seven. I was I was going to throw out five myself but I would but I would You know, I would imagine we're going to have a select board member on there I would imagine we would have at least one member from the far department on there um Now I don't you know, this square can get kind of Out of hand quickly.  I I don't want Anybody from the far department to be left out of this process or on the corporation to be left out of this process. So Um, I'm not limiting to one person from the fire department and there might be multiple categories Um, the fire department person that would be on this committee, but Well, if you you shoot for uh, you shoot for a seven man committee, you're going to have three One from the select board one five two from the one from the fire department one from the corporation and four from the general public I I personally think that's a good Um, good balance to start for And and we can reevaluate it Yeah, come Monday, but um, I think I will go ahead and send out a notice that um You know if you're interested in serving on this committee to go ahead and Put your name in well and just be open to the idea that that um Might change as far as your your balance In my opinion, I was thinking more on the lines of you know, two from the select board two from the fire department three from the Community, we don't necessarily get a whole lot of community involvement And this might actually they might come out of the woodwork. I don't know It's always possible. I also would be willing to do one of the sessions with aired out if No one else comes forward or you know, if that's fine, and I appreciate you offering too mad I think it would be very nice for you to be involved as well You know, someone else who might be good would be jerry d. M. N. T. D.'s He was he was on our board of directors for about six years and I was thinking of him as well In terms of the steering committee Yeah, he's very knowledgeable and a lot of experience And a past board member for the steering committee if he were wanting to would be jeremy Thank you Those are just some people that come to mind. I also think pat mcdonald would be great on the committee We're sure there's many residents that would be interested So that's great Maybe we could even do a mini presentation of the powerpoint At a select board meeting doesn't have to be the entirety could be broken down. Thank you Night to him. Thanks for everything. We might be able to break that down into pieces and have a small piece for board meeting You know leading up to november so thought anything else on the Merger and then the local office tax Going back to november's vote. We're thinking about this be going towards town meetings Where you have the majority of people coming out correct? Yeah Yeah, anything else on this Approval licenses permits vouchers and applications I make the motion to approve payroll warrant 24 dash o 2 for payroll from july 2nd to july 15 2023 Paid on july 19th in the amount of 72 484 dollars and 26 cents Payable warrant two four Go to with checks two three one three three two three one four seven For payables in the amount of 35 828 dollars and 75 cents and the reconciled june bank statements for the general fund and sewer water checking accounts second Any further discussion? All those in favor Those working carries Um, let's see signatures for This is a full tax and I have that over here This was a gentleman, uh, we appointed to the development review board Couple meetings to go and just never sign before Well, it was the spelling of his name, right? Yeah, right okay, and All right, so it empowers contract signature here again, this is uh Contract we approved Last week, but uh, did not actually sign Let's do exactly the same. This is a second year but three year contract and this is just for the plate You know, this is what they're going to do how they're going to do it How they can be so thank you And we do have a schedule for the last week in september for me to be joining the audit okay the approval The minutes of june 19th I make the motion to approve the minutes of june 19th, but there are just a few grammatical Issues under stray animal holding agreement on page two The It needs to say stray animal There and on page three just a few grammaticals Nothing major and I'll pass those over to tour so those can be integrated But I see no reason not to approve them based on that here a second second Any further discussion? All those in favor. All right. All right. Motion carries approval of June 26 minutes I make the motion to approve the monday june 26 regular select board meeting minutes as presented The second Any further discussion? All those in favor. All right Motion carries and the approval of the july 10th minutes I make the motion to go ahead and approve the monday july 10 Minutes as well. That was a rescheduled select board meeting here a second I second Any further discussion? All those in favor. All right Motion carries and minutes for july 12th I also go ahead and make the motion to approve the emergency meeting regular select board minutes or wednesday july 12 2023 as presented to us this evening Second Any discussion? All those in favor. All right Motion carries Round table as well. Oh nothing. Thank you. Joe Okay, thank you for A couple of things What do you better know? First of all, I would like to extend a big thanks to first student who was the school school bus contractor they were very helpful monday night and Doing several rounds of evacuations moving people to school moving people to the very auditorium Giving people off the barium appeal road into shelter. They were Excellent to work with they were very helpful and a lot of great work Secondly, I also like to extend thanks to Shaw's They had a lot of people sitting in their parking lot monday night including me Um, and they came around very early monday, uh, tuesday morning Offering food and beverages and use of the restrooms even though the store was not open yet They were very grateful accommodating to that and and we'll have a whole lot more Of thanks as as time go on by just want to start that In your packet, uh the town health officer Us solicitation went out today and a copy of that is In your packet And then lastly as was mentioned earlier From the emergency management team Definitely having need For a shelter manager and a shelter operations team moving forward and We're going to need to work on that in the future And then lastly, uh, we'd like to talk about the removal dumpster. Yes. Yes. Sorry about that. I forgot that And before we discuss the debris removal, I would like to give a big shout out for all of The folks who have extended themselves tremendously. I received a tremendous amount of thanks to Um The road crew and I know the fire department has done a lot as has U-Tour and The police department. I just am so proud of us in here in berlin. I'm glad to be a part of it So I thank everyone for everything Okay on the dumpsters So I guess the biggest need for dumpsters right now is the uh, mobile home park on cedar drive Um, I've got a call into the stadium seat right now. Um asking what exactly Our responsibility is versus the mobile home park owners as far as debris Currently they're being told by the owners that just a pile I need to breathe into the Uh, you know, to the right of way of the of the road there Um, and the tunnel come by and take care of that. Um That's what they're being told right and either way. Um, it's going to be Um Very soon becoming a health Issue might even you don't need to get the health officer involved Um, but we must when you say debris you're talking just plumps them or are you talking? Uh Stuff other than limbs and wood it could be it could be any of that could be Damaged appliances You know damage flooring and skirting and and so forth It's not you know the town It's not supposed to be doing your regular household waste But you know this other stuff That comes up, you know, what is going to be our Um take on that.  Correct. So you're Regular household trash that is is now You know and soaked in flood mud It's something different than regular household trash. Well, the other thing also is if you're going to be doing appliances um Even junk appliances have value It's crap Do we so you gotta I mean Realistically you try to separate the mail Well, maybe we put a couple different dumpsters down there one from metal and one one for Just debris and as far as I I think your Vlogs and trees and everything else that's being Um Collected it, you know, it's gonna be the last thing they picked up But you know, we got to think about that. Maybe we pile it up and we haul it somewhere We have a stump dump, right? Do we use it? no, that's That's gone by the board Yeah, that's gone by the board. I'm pretty sure Well, maybe we pile it in the back and we have a bonfire and celebrate the rebuilding I don't know, but they're gonna have a lot of debris down there. We got to take you do something Well, I mean realistically A lot of that stuff There's no value to anything that came down the river because there's too much dirt in it. That's right You know, we can't run this through a chipper. No um I don't know if there's going to be now there is a machine out there It's basically a grinder and that's made to grind the stumps So just dirt isn't going to bother any and I don't know if worth seeing about If there's one of those kicking around and off but there's You'd have to hire a dip. I think it's the household Debris the the the buildings the furniture the all that we need something You know to collect it And control so if we're gonna put it if they're gonna put it on the side of the road like they're being told And then the town's gonna come pick it up Turn it and dumps you first Honestly, I mean then didn't we just They pick up the roll off If that's what we pay for that's what we pay for Well, they are very they're doing this and and it's a little easier because they're a community to begin with And so you look at burlens you can't put something at the bottom of Chase road I think some somebody's gonna come all the way down the bottom of the hill drop it in a dumpster. Right But you know, you have 30 some odd people down Cedar And very few of those trailers you got price day When the question would be it would be the Locating the the dumpster like The only thing if you if you put dumpsters down there, they're a lot easier to fill the dump truck And they're just on the ground sure and but uh I don't know if gasella or mires if you could take it Ask them for a price on that I mean if you separate the metal then I mean when you get a pile of metal you get old bulldogs and they'll come Scoop it up and dump it in I think what you're gonna find short of appliances people are just gonna clean and they're not sorted Yeah Well, I mean you some you can't do anything with furniture because you got the the shellac and the varnish on it You can't burn it you can't Ship it somewhere to can't chip it Or chip it but I mean you can't Like if you were to chip that wood grind it you could you could dig it to the state Uh in center at the boiler there at the But everything else anything that's not It has a brandish or shellac on it or paint Yeah, I mean it's it's it's all going to the dump. It's couches and clothes. Yep couches and clothes And she's out for the ones they're wearing right now She let's really say been down there Where you've been down cedar? Take a ride Sun's up till nine sad place So the question now is if you pursue the dumpsters And how we go to pay for it and if FEMA pays for We have to have somebody there monitoring what it gets put into it Whether it's a town employee or whether we could contract it out On what's going on that Like why why what are you looking at that's that's the FEMA's requirements for reimbursement What's being what's being put in there Do you want to go? No, I thought you were Long term could we You're gonna sit down there and watch it all day or you're gonna go down there and just kind of Well, perhaps you'd be better off to take and let them let the debris get piled up Bring the dumpster and then just send down a loader or hire somebody with a okay loader type of thing and just That way there you could say you watch what went into it Fair enough That makes sense. Yeah, I don't know. I mean Every time I've had a dumpster at the farm the dumpster is charged by the ton You don't get charged for the Dumpster there you get charged by the ton when they dump it So but now of course they may get charged for having the dumpster brought into that again in a while Well So should we have the town administrator acting town administrator to pursue this? I Would recommend he Start looking into options and report back In meanwhile, we can communicate with cedar the people of cedar. Yeah to pilot out front Get it ready for removal When you talk with whatever trash company has the best deal Um You might want to see about two dumpsters Oh All that. Yeah. Well, I'm thinking if you if you go to cedar It is filled up And you have another one that West is Yeah, pick your poison. Right The truck can run back and forth and still be going loaded both ways Because I mean it's all about efficiency to them Okay, anything else on this? It's all I have Any executive section anticipating? No, sir Motion to adjourn. I make the motion to adjourn tonight's regularities schedule. It's left for me All those in favor


The United Nations and the Origins of The Great Reset by Anthony P. Mueller, an audio Mises Weyer narrated by Michael Stack. About 2,400 years ago, the Greek philosopher Plato came up with the idea of constructing the state and society according to an elaborate plan. Plato wanted wise men, philosophers, at the helm of the government, but he made it also clear that his kind of state would need a transformation of the humans. In modern times, the promoters of the omnipotent state want to substitute Plato's philosopher with the expert and create the new man through eugenics, which is now called transhumanism. The United Nations and its various sub-organizations play a pivotal role in this project, which has reached its present stage in the project of the Agenda 2030 and The Great Reset. The Great Reset did not come from nowhere. The first modern attempts to create a global institution with a governmental function was launched by the government of Woodrow Wilson, who acted as US President from 1913 to 1921. Under the inspiration of Colonel Mandel House, the president's prime advisor and best friend, Wilson wanted to establish a world forum for the period after World War I. Yet the plan of American participation in the League of Nations failed, and the drive toward internationalism and establishing a new world order receded during the roaring 20s. A new move toward managing a society like an organization, however, came during the Great Depression. Franklin Delano Roosevelt did not let the crisis go by without driving the agenda forward with his new deal. FDR was especially interested in the special executive privileges that came with the Second World War. Resistance was almost nil when he moved forward to lay the groundwork for a new League of Nations, which was now to be named the United Nations. To the leadership of Stalin, Churchill and Roosevelt, 26 nations agreed in January 1942 to the initiative of establishing a United Nations Organization, UNO, which came into existence on October 24th, 1945. Since its inception, the United Nations and its branches, such as the World Bank Group, the World Health Organization, have prepared the countries of the world to comply with the goals that were announced at its foundation. Yet the unctuous pronouncements of promoting international peace and security, developing friendly relations among nations, and working for social progress, better living standards and human rights, hides the agenda of establishing a world government with executive powers whose task would not be promoting liberty and free markets, but greater interventionism and control through cultural and scientific organizations. This became clear with the creation of the United Nations Educational, Scientific and Cultural Organization, UNESCO, in 1945. Under the foundation of UNESCO in 1945, the English evolutionary biologist, eugenicist and declared globalist Julian Huxley, the brother of Aldous Huxley, author of Brave New World, became its first director. At the launch of the organization, Huxley called for a scientific world humanism global in extent and asked to manipulate human evolution to a desirable end. Referring to dialectical materialism as the first radical attempt at an evolutionary philosophy, the director of UNESCO laments that the Marxist approach to changing society was bound to fail because of its lack of an indispensable biological component. With these ideas, Julian Huxley was in respectable company. Since the 19th century, the call for the genetic betterment of the human race through eugenics has been gaining many prominent followers. John Maynard Keynes, for example, held the promotion of eugenics and population control as one of the most important social questions and a crucial area of research. Keynes was not alone. The list of advocates of breeding the human race for its own betterment is quite large and impressive. These illiberal reformers include, among many other well-known names, the writers H. G. Wells and G. B. Shaw, U.S. President Theodore Roosevelt and British Prime Minister Winston Churchill, as well as the economist Irving Fisher and the family planning pioneers Margaret Sanger and Bill Gates Sr., the father of Bill Gates, Microsoft co-founder and head of the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation. In his discourse at the foundation of UNESCO, Julian Huxley was quite specific about the goals and methods of this institution. To achieve the desired evolutionary progress of mankind, the first step must be to stress the ultimate need for world political unity and familiarize all peoples with the implications of the transfer of full sovereignty from separate nations to a world organization. Furthermore, the institution must consider the trade-off between the importance of quality against quantity, which means it must take into account that there is an optimum range of sides for every human organization as for every type of organism. The educational, scientific and cultural organization of the UN should give special attention to unity in variety of the world's art and culture as well as the promotion of one single pool of scientific knowledge. Huxley makes it clear that human diversity is not for all. Diversity for weaklings, fools and moral deficients cannot be but bad. And because a considerable percentage of the population is not capable of profiting from higher education and also a considerable percentage of young men suffer from physical weakness or mental instability and these grounds are often genetic in origin, these groups must be excluded from the efforts of advancing human progress. In his discourse, Huxley diagnosed that at the time of his writing the indirect effect of civilization is rather dysgenic instead of eugenic and that in any case it seems likely that the dead weight of genetic stupidity, physical weakness, mental instability and disease proneness, which already exist in the human species, will prove too great a burden for real progress to be achieved. After all it is essential that eugenics should be brought entirely within the borders of science for as already indicated in the not very remote future the problem of improving the average quality of human beings is likely to become urgent and this can only be accomplished by applying the findings of a truly scientific eugenics. The next decisive step toward the global economic transformation was taken with the first report of the Club of Rome. In 1968 the Club of Rome was initiated at the Rockefeller estate Bellagio in Italy. Its first report was published in 1972 under the title The Limits to Growth. As President Emeritus of the Club of Rome Alexander King and the Secretary of the Club General Bertrand Schneider inform in their report of the Council of the Club of Rome that when the members of the club were in search of identifying a new enemy they listed pollution, global warming, water shortages and famines as the most opportune items to be blamed on humanity with the implication that humanity itself must be reduced to keep these threats in check. Since the 1990s several comprehensive initiatives toward a global system of control have been undertaken by the United Nations with Agenda 2021 and Agenda 2030. The 2030 agenda was adopted by all United Nations member states in 2015. It launched its blueprint for global change with the call to achieve 17 sustainable development goals. The key concept is sustainable development that includes population control as a crucial instrument. Saving the earth has become the slogan of green policy warriors. Since the 1970s the horror scenario of global warming has been a useful tool in their hands to gain political influence and finally rule over public discourse. In the meanwhile these anti-capitalist groups have obtained a dominant influence in the media, the educational and judicial systems and have become major players in the political arena. In many countries particularly in Europe the so-called green parties have become a pivotal factor in the political system. Many of the representatives are quite open in their demands to make society and the economy compatible with high ecological standards that require a profound reset of the present system. In 1945 Huxley noted that it is too early to propose outright a eugenic depopulation program but advised that it will be important for the organization to see that the eugenic problem is examined with the greatest care and that the public mind is informed of the issues at stake so that much that is now unthinkable may at least become thinkable. Huxley's caution is no longer necessary. In the meantime the branches of the United Nations have gained such a level of power that even originally minor UN sub-organizations such as the World Health Organization have been enabled to command individual governments around the world to obey their orders. The World Health Organization and the International Monetary Fund whose conditionality for loans has changed from fiscal restraint to the degree to which a country follows the rules set by the WHO have become the supreme tandem to work toward establishing the new world order. As Julian Huxley pointed out in his discourse in 1945 it is the task of the United Nations to do away with economic freedom because laissez-faire and capitalist economic systems have created a great deal of ugliness. The time has come to work toward the emergence of a single world culture. This must be done with the explicit help of the mass media and the educational systems. With the foundation of the United Nations and its sub-organizations the drive to advance the programs of eugenics and transhumanism took a big step forward. Together with the activities of the Club of Rome they have staged to initiate the great reset that is going on currently. With the pronouncement of a pandemic the goal of comprehensive government control of the economy and society has taken another leap toward transforming the economy and society. Freedom faces a new enemy. The tyranny comes under the disguise of expert rule and benevolent dictatorship. The new rulers do not justify their right to dominance because of divine providence but now claim the right to rule the people in the name of universal health and safety based on presumed scientific evidence. For more content like this visit mesis.org


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How's it going everybody? DottoDoy here and in case you can't tell from the title and thumbnail this is going to be a more positive update from the Dragon Ball FighterZ tournaments cancelled video I did only a few days ago. Now very quickly before we get into the positive news I do want to break down the situation just in case on the off chance somebody missed what happened or heard about it from a friend and missed all the other videos for me and other creators that also covered the topic. So basically what had happened is a few FighterZ tournaments were pulled from some notable events and then when asked why they were pulled so late we were given a vague response along the lines of this was due to unforeseen circumstances and things like that and this was also amid reports of there being some rights issues which could be causing this and after people heard this it basically broke down into people demanding to know who was doing this originally the finger was being pointed at Toei this is when I made my video since then on social media Toei has said they have no knowledge of the event and other people would say it's not Toei that would have the rights to it as they only have the rights to the anime it would have to be Shueisha people ended up switching who they were pointing at from Toei to Shueisha and basically at the end of it all I personally just kind of felt like we were never going to get an answer on what exactly happened but luckily enough in only a few days we have gotten an update that is actually some very good news this information could not come at a better time because the people in the community were getting really severe with this kind of stuff way more than I ever thought it would and I got to be honest as I was reading some comments and things people were taking into some very far directions like some stuff I was seeing like wow Dragon Ball FighterZ is dead for sure now I'll never play in another tournament again I'll never see another DLC character but this response from Harada with who you may know if you're a fan of Tekken puts a lot of those specific fears at ease in his letter to the communities of three games those being Dragon Ball FighterZ, Tekken and Soul Calibur though it is very easy to feel that if you play Dragon Ball FighterZ that some of this letter might be directed directly at our specific subsection of a community Harada's post specifically says this I wanted to notify everyone that I have become the leader and supervisor of the Bandai Namco fighting game esports strategy team Of course I'll continue producing the game as well this is of course referring to Tekken and first I would like to express my sincere gratitude to everyone who held and or participated in various tournaments this year we at Bandai Namco are committed to expand the horizons of both tournament and community scenes of these three franchises we are already planning to have as many official tournaments as possible for next year while continuing to support tournaments held by the community furthermore and this is a very important line if you're into Dragon Ball FighterZ exclusively we are dedicated to figure out ways where we can assist tournaments and community activities in the future now of course this isn't only good to read if you're a fan of Dragon Ball FighterZ as it says in the post they are dedicated to all three of these games DBFC Tekken and Soul Calibur this post also informs us that more official events are coming in 2019 for these three games as well as the fact that they are going to take steps to work closer to the community when it comes to running community oriented tournaments this is what I feel is the main takeaway from this post if you're a Dragon Ball FighterZ tournament this is kind of what the big deal was supposed to be with those tournaments being pulled but you know since then it kind of got molded into Dragon Ball FighterZ being done forever but this kind of lets us know that Dragon Ball FighterZ still has a very healthy future and hopefully Herodic can continue to do great work like he has done in the past and it really excel in this new role so at the end of the day what the situation tells us is that Dragon Ball FighterZ is most likely going to be more than just fine in 2019 and maybe even beyond hopefully this helps some of the people that really thought this was going to be the end of FighterZ again it doesn't specifically mention more DLC on the way but again be sure to look out for those Dragon Ball FighterZ World Tour Finals happening on January 26th I am sure there will be some news there regarding a season two future plans for the game competitively more specifics in in more specifics I should say but yeah make sure you're watching that if you want to let them know that you love their game just keep watching it it's been super popular and I'm sure it will continue to be super popular but yeah guys since we're at the end of this video I would also like to take a minute and just say that if you left my video feeling like Dragon Ball FighterZ was going to be done I am very sorry for that I definitely was talking a little bit too emotional I'll say in that video it was just kind of sad that those events specifically were getting taken away because you know I'm a huge Dragon Ball FighterZ fan I always want to see more fighters but if there was something about my language that made you think that I didn't think more DLC was on the way or that competitive plans for this game was going to stop entirely that is entirely on me and 100% my fault and in the future I will look to definitely do a lot more research and probably think out my words a little more in videos like that seriously 1,000 times sorry it's kind of my hobby to get people excited about fighters and I just feel super bad that I might have done the exact opposite with that last video but yeah guys let me know down in the comments if this helped you out at all be more comfortable with the fighter situation going on now Bandai is clearly on the side of fighters with this post and I hope if nothing else that helps you out a lot I'm Dr. Doya I'll see you in the next video