Sheikh Gumi warns President Bahari against declaring bandits in the north as terrorists. And, Minister of Justice Abu Bakr Malami blames iPop for Lagos and Sars Attacks and the looting of Obas Palace during that period.  Islamic scholar Ahmad Gumi has warned President Mohammed Bahari and the federal government against declaring bandits, killing and abducting people in the north as terrorists. The Sunni scholar had said this, declaring them as terrorists would come with a big prize. He called on the clergymen to talk to Yoruba rights activist Sondi Buhor and indigenous people of Biafra just as he does to bandits. Gumi, who is known to have access to bandits, had once asked that the federal government grant them blank amnesty. Recently, some Nigerians including Governor Aminum Masari of Katsina State and the Forum of the House of Assembly Speakers urged the federal government to declare the bandits as terrorists. The Senate had also made a similar call in September. Joining us to break this down is Afeer Wanagohi, he is a security expert and of course we have Bishop Johnson and Ladikwa Johnson. Ladikwa Johnson is a legal practitioner. Thank you very much gentlemen for joining us. Alright, if you can hear me, you need to unmute yourselves gentlemen so I can hear you. But I'm going to start with you Afeer. The issue of Sheikh Gumi, he continuously finds himself in the news. He's always part of the discourse in terms of banditry and of course the abductions that have been happening in the country. The biggest question on every Nigerian's lip is why Sheikh Gumi walking free and still making these recommendations to the government, don't forget he does have access to these people. But then it is very difficult for these bandits to be prescribed, it is very difficult for these bandits to be kidnapped or rather to be arrested or you know, we remember the last time we were talking about this issue the army was saying that they do not know where to locate them but they keep continuing the activities and so the big question is why Sheikh Gumi still speaking? Very clearly Mary, I think the same response Nigerians would have is the same I have it appears that there are sacred cows as far as the fight against terrorism on the one banditry is concerned. Sheikh Gumi has time and time again shown that he knows the inner workings of the so-called bandits whom from the beginning of the issue many of us have described as terrorists. They have done as much as Boko Haram has done. It is just that their modus operandi has not included thoughts for the donation of bombs.  I think the government should have investigated him, they should have called him to order. You know, probably a charge would have been placed on him for collaboration with these people and then he would shut his mouth if he's not going to help the system. We should not work against the system. What I have found Mary Ann is that clearly there is, it is lip service, there is some kind of sacred cows. If Sheikh Gumi was some other person in the country, would he be having this free ride and freeing rain and talking the way he's talking? You can see that even governments that were hit out against describing these guys as terrorists who were hit out to say they were businessmen and justified or nationalised all the actions are not putting it around because they found that there is senselessness and mindless clings. You know, for Sheikh Gumi to continue making the headlines that he does it appears that the government needs to now step up. It is past the time where you think that somebody is part of your own system, part of your own team and to that effect you don't want to go against him. But if he's from the other divide, you can go against him. Clearly the bandits are not supporters of any part of this country. They are killing people. They are killing Nigerians and lives are being lost day by day. So people like Gumi who are highly placed, who are highly opinionated, religious leader, a cleric of repute of some sorts should not be making the kind of comments he's making. I expect that he should have been invited by the police, by the DSS for interviews. Remember the last time there was a report that he was interrogated and interviewed by the DSS? He said nobody invited him and he didn't go anywhere. And there was no counter. There was no response from the agency. So I believe Sheikh Gumi needs to be called to order. Basically, he cannot continue with impunity to make such comments. Nigeria is bleeding. See what's happening in Sokoto? See what has happened or what continues to happen in Kaduna. What happened in the railway line that we had, the Buddha Kaduna Railway Line recently, credited to Iswab or whatever. It could very well be bandits. It's just a matter of nomenclature. Call a doggy about them to hang it or Christian them bandits if you don't want them to be seen for the evil that they are. Clearly it's terrorism. And what is terrorism by the way? This is out called terrorism. So Nigerian government does not have to even wait for Sheikh Gumi to make his comments to rationalize or otherwise or to deflect attention from the criminal, headsmen, criminal bandits or terrorists. They should not wait. They should do the needful. If you don't have Christianing them, we give you the needed international support. We give you the needed impetus to fight these guys. Don't wait for Sheikh Gumi to tell you what you have to do. Thank you for staying with us. There's still plus politics. We apologize for the hiccups. But we have been talking about Sheikh Gumi and of course he, warning the federal government of not prescribing bandits and of course calling them terrorists. And we've been speaking with Ifei Wanago and Laddipa Johnson. Mr. Johnson, this question goes to you now. I want us to set a foundation for this conversation. Yes, we have started it, but when we talk about a terrorist, what are the qualities of a terrorist? What characteristics or what characterizes a terrorist? What are the things that we can point to that would make a person be referred to as a terrorist? Maybe we can build it from there and then we can understand whether or not Gumi does have a case or maybe the others who are advocating that these people be called terrorists. Maybe they have a case, but go ahead and educate us. I think I'm going to leave Mr. Johnson now and come back to you. How serious do you think that the government is in terms of fighting terrorism in the country? Because last week the president was talking tough about dealing with bandits and saying that they're about to meet their doom. It's going to be the end for them. But then on the one hand, we're still seeing that the government has not necessarily given us a case in terms of changing the mentality of these guys or even showing us action that they want to put an end to the bandits. When they declared that they were going to shut down the telecom networks in parts of the country, the belief was that that action would have some measure of secession of what the terrorist bandits have been doing. But it's been some months since this action of shutting down networks have happened and we've seen that even the governors of some states are now saying, please allow the networks to flow because they are not achieving the results they needed to achieve by virtue of your shutting down the networks. I believe that the government has paid lip service too much. You cannot, in this day and age, continue to warn people, continue to warn criminals. You can warn who would be criminals to desist, to not even plan what they want to plan. But people are killing Nigerians, are kidnapping Nigerians and taking all communities hostage.  What are you waiting for? You have not declared the emergency that you have threatened to declare in parts of the country that have not had any violence near what you are having in parts of the country and yet you are still issuing warnings. Let's go all out onto the needful. We appreciate the fact that we have a whole city of resources to tackle the situation that we have at hand. We appreciate the fact that we do not have the requisite manpower in terms of the numbers. But you have to show that there is an urgent situation at hand. To that extent, you need to more pop resources. How many people do we have in our armed forces? And the police and military agencies that support them. If you have a war going on and you need to draft a moment, draft a moment, then there is the operational plan. Is the operational plan giving you the needed results thus far? Or are we continuing to just do what let it be the same blast of fight that we are having? It cannot be like an everyday business. No, this must have a definite end, must have a goal. You must review what you have done in the last one month, two months and three months. And yet there are no results. You must change strategy, change approach. For me, I think a lot more needs to be done on the part of the government. This is not time for one and any longer. These guys are holding swaths of territory. And we must do something about ungoverned spaces. It appears that there is so much ungoverned spaces in parts of the north. Now, parts of the east is also falling in a circumvent towards east. So government must show presence in these areas. If you need to go defeat these guys, hold territory while you advance to do more, get more food, so just more boots on the ground like we said elsewhere. And do the needful. This is not a time for paying lip service and talking. You cannot be warning in this day and age. But we, I mean, somewhat, I don't know, I'm going to speak for myself. It seems like we've done a lot more of talking and we talk about the same thing over and over and over again when these issues crop up. But I mean, I'm really always wondering what the challenge is.  So I'm wondering, what is it? Is it strategy? Is it, you know, are they bereft of ideas on how to go about this? Is it the lack of political will? What exactly is the challenge?  And the next thing now, the president is talking tough. The last time he said, well, he's done everything he can. What else do we want them to do? Really, what is the challenge? What do you think as a person from bird's eye view is the challenge? I think it's a combination of factors for me. And I think at the top of all these factors is political will. It appears like these people are still being treated like our reclassial brothers in quotes now. You know, so you want to hit them or you don't want to hit them hard. You don't want to be seen to be ruthless with your reclassial brothers. Probably they have a room to turn around. And again, we hear that one ex-boko around fighter, one ex-bandit has gone back and has killed several more people. And the government keeps on talking. I'm also appreciative of the fact that we have issue of manpower. We have equipment issues. We have training. In terms of our modus operandi, is it the best we can do at this time? As far as the war on terror, the war on body trade goes all over the world. We have to partner. We've seen governments. We've seen senators call for partnership with international bodies, international countries, agencies who are going to come to the ground and work with us to tackle these menace. For instance, you have agencies across the world. You have international agencies like Interpol and you have other countries that have been here before. You have mercenaries. But you must show good will. You must show that you are doing the needful first as a country and that you have the political will. And then you cannot extend your hand to request for support. People can then say, okay, this country is ready to do what they need. I will give them immediate support. But for me, I think the political will must be clear. There must be no two-way about it that this government is ready to definitively deal banditry, terrorism, a blow. It appears to me from my own perspective that the government is being very careful. They do not want to be seen to be ruthless. Remember that when President Jonathan was in power before he left, and then you had General E. Jirika and Chief of Army Staff, you had a massive onslaught in Baga and elsewhere. And then we had elements from another part of the country crying that it was too much. But the fight on Boko Haram was the fight on the North. We need something similar to happen now for you to show the international community and to show the Nigerians that you are ready. You cannot be treating this with kid gloves. Okay. So I appreciate that there are all other shortcomings that we have as a country. Manpower, resources, training. But you have not shown the country that you are definitive, that you are ready to tackle this. And on top of it all, it's political will. I think it is lacking. Mr. Johnson, thank you for coming back. And I think we also have joining us, Bishop Johnson. But I'm going to go to Mr. Ladikwa Johnson. I tried to ask this question earlier, but you couldn't hear me, so I'm going to ask it now. Because we need some foundation for this conversation in terms of what characterizes a terrorist? What are the things that a person does that you can point to as acts of terrorism? Maybe we can build from there up. Educate us. Well, thanks for the question. And I'm sorry about my network here. I think that, well, given the definition of terrorism, the textbook definition of terrorism is rather difficult now. Well, basically, when you have what they are doing, what is going on now in the Northwest, North Central, in parts of the country, all that is being called banditry is actually terrorism. There's no doubt about that. But I think that if you permit me to go further, I think that we must be careful here. Gumi has been advocating for the so-called bandits over time. And as such, we are not willing to listen to him. But there are certain things he said that I read through today that makes sense to me. One, I must support Efe that this government has shown a total lack of political will in dealing with the issues on hand. And they have made things worse by their lack of action. If anyone is saying to us now that you need to declare them terrorists, you don't need to declare them terrorists to do what you have to do. You don't need to. Well, that's been my question over time. If we change the nomenclature, will that ginger... Let me use the street word. Exactly. Will it leave government that will to do what they need to do? Any... Yes, if they are saying change the nomenclature, what have you? Well, good. But who are the terrorists? Virtually all terrorist organizations have one goal. They belong to one body. These are bandits from different... Maybe Gumi can put them together and say because he's been meeting with different ones and say that they are one. But from the position of the government, it would be difficult to say, oh, these are related to Al-Shabaab. These are related to Ishwa. You understand what I'm saying? They're bandits. It's difficult. But my take is that you don't even need to declare them terrorists. This has been going on for long and if this government were responsible, they would have done top quality situation. It's not just the army you need to put in. This is a different sort of war and insurgency. You need intelligence. You need different things, different components to fight what this... to fight this thing. And they are not doing that. But the government can do nothing recently. I'm so sorry to butt in, but let me just come in there. Recently, Governor El Rufi had said that there are some international issues that cover this argument that we're having in terms of prescribing them as terrorists and he thinks that it's best to call them terrorists so that you can treat them as that and maybe he thinks that that would be the best way to deal with the issue. But again, if you're saying that they don't need an elementary change for the right things to be done, then maybe we still will have to deal with the international community as to how we go about dealing with the issue, don't we? Well, if you have to deal with the international community, it will come down the line. It will come way down the line when you sorted it out and they say you went overboard or the human rights abuses when you arrested them, et cetera, et cetera. So I'm not saying don't call them terrorists. Do it if you will. But even in not so doing, does not mean that you shouldn't do your job security-wise. But to be fair, if they are called terrorists, as Bumi said, there are some things that will happen and he has a point there. I just want us to note that. We don't want to listen to him, but he has a point there. If you make it out that they're terrorists, especially with an Islamist coloration, then it would attract more of these people from al-Shabaab and whatever to come in. I'm not saying they're not coming in now. That is definitely one of the things that would happen. They'll get more support. They're more organized and there's nothing as bad as having some religious thing behind any action you're taking. So government must balance things, but people wouldn't complain if they were taking proper action, improved intelligence, military striking properly, and what have you. But things are not going on because they've spread themselves thin. They're running after anti-Sahab people. They're doing all sorts in Anambra and the East. You're thin on the ground where it is important. So it's back to government and as they said, the lack of political will. Okay. Let me go to Bishop Johnson. Thank you very much for joining us. Let me quickly refer to something that Sheikh Gumi said. He noted that the tag of terrorism on bandits would attract unemployed youths. He didn't stop there. He also went ahead to say that acts that bandits are committing in the Northwest have gradually over time become tantamount to terrorism because wherever innocent people are fatal victims, it's pure terrorism. He also went ahead to say, yet innocence these days is relative. We agreed if their children and women are also killed, they're guilty by association or collateral damage. Also youths, he also went on to say that also the bandits may think the same way. It's right for vigilantes, he's saying it's right for vigilantes to lynch full of knee-hearts men or anyone that looks like them by profiling them wrong for the hurt men to ransack villages in retribution. They are pushed to believe it is an existential war and in war ethics are thrown to the winds. So he's putting together two groups of people and making a case for them. I don't know if we still have Bishop Johnson, have we lost him? We lost Bishop Johnson. His connection is off. Okay, so back to you now, Mr. Ladikbo. It's interesting that the juxtaposing or lumping together of the activities of these bandits and Boko Haram and including those who are involved in cattle rustling and reprisal attacks. So it's very easy for the average person who's looking from the outside in, for example, someone in the south-south or the southwest to look at it and say, well, they're all full of knees. Oh, they're all herders. But it goes beyond lumping these people together. It goes beyond the issues of religion. It is the fact that innocent people are dying in different parts of the country and nothing has been done about it. So if we're still on the same issue of saying, let's not call them a name or let's call them a name, when we do call them these names, what happens then? Exactly. If you name them, if you christen them terrorists or you do not, the bottom line is that you still have to fight them in an efficient manner. You still, security forces still have to be some 10 steps ahead of them. That is not happening now. They seem to be playing catch up the Nigerian army. And that is because it is not a conventional, I'm not the security expert.  Most times when they come into villages or come into cities to strike, they probably have people giving them information amongst the people there. How many people do we have? How many citizens of Nigeria in these rural villages or in some other towns give the police of the army information? A lot of Nigerians have lost confidence in the military, we think our military for their service but we've lost confidence in the security services and that is why I believe a lot of them are not cooperating or giving the intelligence that our security forces require. So these are the things. I'm more curious at the point where he's making that it's going to, once you christen them terrorists, it becomes more pleasant or more endearing for youths who are unemployed. Why would an unemployed young Nigerian be more interested in being a terrorist? No, because I don't think it will be more interesting to them. But that's what the state is saying. Except for the fact that if... I think we're having connection issues there, if I'm going to toss this to you now. When the shake says that, look, the moment we become, we tag the bandits terrorists, we would attract more young unemployed Nigerians. I'm trying to get past that but I'm still stuck there. Why would that become a problem all of a sudden? I mean, we have a terrorist group already that's been prescribed in this country called Berko Haram. Why would all of a sudden if we say that all these bandits are also terrorists, that it would now become a more creative atmosphere or a welcoming atmosphere for our young unemployed citizens? Maria, I'm struggling to see the logic. I don't want to question the validity of his thought process and reasoning in arriving at his conclusion. We're in this country where we also have the governments that took a while before Berko Haram was christened terrorists. Different factions of Berko Haram and then you have the Iswab and then you have all manner of nocturnal groups of them. We have not seen the attendant rise, the NDMS, the pull on the youth of the North, East and Northwest to now become adherents of Berko Haram and the Iswab because they are not terrorists. So it doesn't make sense to me. But that said, I want to add that when over 300 shite adherents were killed in Kaduna, were they described as terrorists before they were killed? When a previous government leveled OG on the presidential center, were they terrorists? Were they christened terrorists when some policemen were killed? When it happened in Zakibyan, were they christened terrorists first? The point is this, the government knows what to do, muzzle the necessary political way and give the required support to our soldiers. Those people who control, who are in top echelon of our forces, in top hierarchy, must do the needful. They must be able to send the guys to where it matters most and give them the required support, motivate them. Optional planning is key, it's major. We don't want the situation where like we found some viral videos. When you find somebody in the theater of war and the policeman or a soldier is complaining that they are about making these guys hit in their camp and they are told to stay action. The next thing they hear that people have left where they were, it means signals to the Nigerian community and everybody else who pays attention to what happens in our lab, in our space. So for me, it is beyond christening them terrorism. It may have its gains in terms of international support to do what you need to do and in terms of exonerating yourself from certain so-called crimes against your own citizens, right? But in terms of what you have to do on ground, does the Nigerian government believe that we are doing the best we can do at this time? Are we supporting our troops and our security forces on the ground? Do we have the needed legislation? What about the finances? Do they have all the equipment they require? How many rounds of ammunition is available to each Nigerian soldier, policeman, desks of British, who is on ground in North East and North West? How many? Do they have the needed life vests and hard hearts that they need to fight? So these are things that you must provide and then precision-guided. We hear about Super Tucano, Super Tucano jets and what a view. What has happened to the diplomats? Are you deploying them appropriately? What has happened to our intelligence networks? Are our assets properly positioned across the North West and North East? So much so that you are able to track. Sometimes these guys operate for hours on end, two hours, three hours they are operating. So what are your intelligence assets doing? Do you need to overhaul your intelligence community? And your agents? So something is amiss, basically. Well, unfortunately, time is not on our side, but I want to say thank you. If you want to go, is a security expert and Ladik Potlanson is a legal practitioner. Unfortunately, we've been having some hiccups with his connection, but thank you so much for being part of the conversation. Thank you for having me, Maria. All right. Well, we'll take a short break now and when we return, the AGF has been making headlines because, well, the federal government seems to think that iPop hijacked the NSARS protest and is responsible for some of the things that happened here in Lagos State. We'll get to break that down after the break. Now, we'll take a quick break and find out what Nigerians have to say on President Buhari's declaration of bandits as terrorists if he did decide to. And when we return, I will give you my take. Of course, should label the bandits as terrorists because what are their purpose? The key. What are the purpose of the terrorists? The key. So if the bandits and terrorists carry the same operation, so they are the same. Of recent, we heard what happened to the massive infrastructure projects in Kaduna, Abu-Jahri way. For them to carry out such a heinous attack, I don't see any reason why they should not be declared bandits. That is a pure, economical and infrastructural sabotage, which is a threat to not just the unity of Nigeria but to its sovereignty itself. Who is a criminal? The criminal is the person that refused to acknowledge that there is law in the land. Bandits cannot be your brother. Of course, they are terrorists. They are terrorizing the peace of the nation. As long as they do not allow peace to reign, the federal government should declare them terrorists. I think they are terrorists. And I think there is somehow, I think the government are backing them. If not, if they can be calling some people that are trying to fight for rights, terrorists, why these people carrying arms in ammunition, AK-47, that cannot come into the country easily, they will be parading with it. They are terrorists. I do really wonder what is wrong with... I don't know. I don't know if I mistakenly say what is wrong with Mr. President. I think he doesn't need anybody to tell him that those bandits, they are terrorists. He doesn't need anybody to tell him that they should label them terrorists. They are already terrorists for how many years now. But like seriously, I'm still surprised that by this time, I mean, at this present time, the bandits are not still terrorists. It's so surprising. I mean, what is the President waiting for? These guys are extorting civilians. These guys are kidnapping. These guys have done manners of nonsense. And yet they are not terrorists. I mean, that should tell you that there's something wrong with the country. There's something the President is not telling us. I want to thank you all for being part of the conversation. A big question mark. Everyone is asking, what is the challenge? I'm Marianna Cohn. Thank you for watching. Have a good evening.


Live from San Francisco, celebrating 10 years of high-tech coverage, it's theCUBE. Covering VMworld 2019. Brought to you by VMware and its ecosystem partners. Welcome back, I'm Stu Miniman, my co-host Justin Warren and you're watching theCUBE. We have two sets, three days here at VMworld 2019, our 10th year of the show and happy to welcome back to our program two of our CUBE alumni. We were at Veeam on earlier this year, down in Miami, but sitting to my right is Ratmir Timachev, who's the co-founder and executive vice president of global sales and marketing with Veeam and joining us also is Danny Allen, who's the vice president of product strategy, also at Veeam. Thank you so much both for joining us. Thanks for having us. All right, so Ratmir, let's start. Veeam has been very transparent as to how the company is doing. There's all those talks about unicorns and crazy valuations or anything like that, but gives the update on actual dollars and actually what's happening in your business. Absolutely, we're always transparent. So actually there is this term unicorn, right? So does it mean one billion in valuation or one billion in revenue? In valuation. Yeah, I know that. So Veeam is not unicorn anymore, right? So Veeam is one billion in bookings, so. Yeah, the major trend in the industry is that we are moving from perpetual to subscription because we are moving from on-prem to hybrid cloud. So, and Veeam is actually leading that wave. So we've been always known to be very customer friendly, to do business with, easy to do business with from the channel, from the customer perspective and that's the major trend. If the customers are moving to hybrid cloud, we have to move from our business model to hybrid cloud. So we are changing our business model to make it very easy for customers. And Ratmir, that's not an easy adjustment. We've watched some public companies go through a little bit of challenges as you work through. There's the financial pieces, there's the sales pieces of that, since you give us a little bit of how that works. You just retrain the sales force and go. That is awesome, awesome question. That is awesome point that it's extremely painful. Extremely painful. And for some companies, like everybody says Adobe is the best example of moving from perpetual or traditional business model to a subscription, right? So annual or even monthly subscription. For us, it's even 10 times more difficult than Adobe because we are not only moving from perpetual to subscription, we are moving, we are changing our licensing unit per socket, which is VMware traditional, to per VM or per workload or per instance, right? What we call instance, basically means, so it's extremely painful. We have to change how we do business, how we incentivize ourselves people, how we incentivize our channel, how we incentivize our customers. But that's inevitable. We are moving through a hybrid cloud where sockets don't exist. Sockets, there are no sockets in the hybrid cloud. There are workloads and data, data and applications. That's what, so we have to change our business model, but we also have to keep our current business model. And it's very difficult in terms of the bookings and revenue when we give customer an option to buy this way or that way, of course they will choose the way that is the less expensive for them and we are ready to do that. We can absorb that because we are a private company and we are profitable, we are fast growing. So we can afford that unlike some of the public companies or companies that venture capital financed. So how do you make that kind of substantial change to the, I mean, that's changing half your company, really, to change that many structures. How do you do that without losing the soul of the company? And like Veeam is famous for being extremely Veeam-y. How do you make all those sorts of changes and still not lose the soul of a company like that? How do you keep that there? That's an awesome question because that's 50% of our executive management discussions are about that question, right? So what made Veeam successful? Core values, what we call core values, there are family values, there are company core values every company has. So that's the most important and one of them is be extremely customer friendly, right? So easy to do business with. That's the number one priority. Revenue, profits, number two, number three, being doing the right things for the customer is number one. That's how we are discussing it. And we're introducing a major change on October 1st. Oh, yes. Another major change. We've done these major changes in the last two years moving to subscription. So we started that move two, two and a half years ago by introducing our product for Office 365 backup when that was available only on subscription basis, not perpetual. So we are moving in subscription to the subscription business model in the last three years. On October 1st, 2019, in one month, we are introducing another major change. We are extremely simplifying our subscription licensing and introducing what we will call Veeam Universal License, where you can buy once and move for clothes everywhere. From physical to VMware, to Hyper-V, to AWS, Azure back to VMware and back to physical. I'm joking. All right, Danny, bring us inside the product. You know, we've watched the maturity at 10 years of the cube here. You know, Veeam was one of the early, you know, big ecosystem success stories, of course, went into multi-hypervisor, went into multi-cloud, you know, Ratmir just went through, you know, all of the changes there, exciting the VUL, I guess we'll call it. Yes, yeah. Boom. Well, absolutely. So on the product piece, how's the product keeping in line with all of these things? Yeah, so our vision is to be the most trusted provider of backup solutions that enable cloud data management. So backup is still a core of it and it's the start of everything that we do. But if you look at what we've done over the course this year, it's very much about the cloud. So we added the ability, for example, to tear things into object storage in the hyperscale public cloud and that has been taking off gangbusters into S3 and into Azure Blob storage. And so that's a big part of it. Second part of it in cloud data management is the ability to recover. If you're sending your data into the cloud, why not recover there? So we've added the ability to recover workloads in Azure, recover workloads in EC2. And lastly, of course, once your workloads are in the cloud, then you want to protect it using cloud-native technologies. And so we've addressed all of these solutions and we've been announcing all these exciting things over the course of 2019. The product started off as being VM-centric or VM-only back in the day. And then you've gradually added different capabilities to it as customers demanded it. And it was on a pretty regular cadence as well. And you've recently added cloud functionality and backups there. What's the next thing customers are asking for? Because we've got lots of workloads being deployed in Edge. We've got lots of people doing things with no SQL backups. We've got Kubernetes is mentioned every second breath at this show. So where are you seeing demand for customers that you need to take the product next? So we've heard a lot about Kubernetes, obviously, at this show, so containers is obviously a focus point. But one of the things we demoed yesterday, we actually had a breakout session, is leveraging an API from VMware called the VCR API for IO filtering. So it basically enables you to fork the rights when you're writing down to the storage level so that you have continuous replication into environments. And that just highlights the relationship we have with VMware. 80% of our customers are running on VMware. But that's the exciting things that we're innovating on. Things like making availability better, making the agility and movement between clouds better, making sure that people can take copies of their data to accelerate their business. These are all areas that we're focusing on. Yeah, a lot of companies have tried to, multiple times have tried to go from backup and go into data management. I like that you don't shy away from, oh yeah, we do backup and it's an important workload and you're not afraid to mention that. Whereas some other companies seem to be quite scared of saying, well yeah, we do backup because it's not very cool or sexy. Well it doesn't have to be cool and sexy to be important. So I like that you actually say that yes, we do backup but we are also able to do some of these other bits and pieces and it's enabled by that backup. So copy data management so we can take copies of things and do this. Where are some of the demand coming around what to do with that data management side of things? I know there's people who are interested in things like for example, data masking where you want to take a copy of some data and use it for testing. There's a whole bunch of issues and risks around doing that. So companies look for assistance from companies like Veeam to do that sort of thing. Is that where you're heading with some of that product? It is, there's four big use cases. DevOps is certainly one of them. We've been talking a lot about Kubernetes, right? Which is all about developers and DevOps type development. So that's a big one and one of the interesting things about that use case is when you make copies of data compliance comes into play. If you need to give a copy of the data to the developer you don't want to give them credit card numbers or health information so you probably want to mask that out and we have the capability today in Veeam. We call it staged restore that you can actually open the data in a sandbox to manipulate it before you give it to the developer. But that's certainly one big use case and it's highlighted at conferences like this. Another one is security. Spend a decade in security to get passionate about it but pen testing or forensics. If you do an invasive test on a production system you'll bring the system down. And so another use case of the data is take a copy, give it to the security team to do that test without impacting the production workload. A third one would be IT operations, patching and updating all these systems. One of the interesting things about Veeam customers they're far more likely to be on the most recent versions of software because you can test it easily by taking a copy, test the patch, test the update and then roll it forward. And then a fourth huge use case that we can't ignore is GDPR and analytics and compliance. There's just this huge demand right now and I think there's going to be marketplaces opened in the public cloud around delegating access to the data so that they can analyze it and give you more intelligence about it. So GDPR is just the start. Where is my personally identifiable information? But I can imagine a workload where a marketplace or an offering where someone comes in and says, hey, I'll pay us some money and I'll classify your data for you or I'll archive it smartly for you and the business doesn't have to do that. All they have to do is delegate access to the data so that they can run some kind of machine learning algorithm on that data. So these are all interesting use cases. I go back DevOps, security, IT operations and analytics. All of those. So Ratmir, when I go to the keynote it did feel like it was Kubernetes world but I went down to the show floor it definitely felt like data protection world. So it's definitely been one of the busier conversations the last couple of years at this show but you look, walk through the floor whether it be some of the big traditional vendors, lots of brand new startups, some of the cloud native players in this space. How do you make sure that Veeam keeps the customers that they have and can keep growing on the momentum that you've been building on? That's great questions too. Yeah, so like Pat Galsinger mentioned yesterday that number of applications is growing, has grown in the last five years from 50 million to something like 330 million and will grow to another almost 800 million in the next five years by 2024. Veeam is in the right business. Veeam is the leader. Veeam is driving the vision and the strategy, right? So yeah, we have good competition in the form of legacy vendors and emerging vendors but we are very good positioned because we own the major part of your hybrid cloud which is the private cloud. So, and we are providing a good vision for how the hybrid cloud data management not just data protection what just Danny explained should be done, right? So I think we are in a good position and I feel very comfortable for the next five, 10 years for Veeam. That's a good place to be. Veeam, I'm feeling confident about the future. It's, I don't know, five to 10 years, that's a long way out. I don't know. Yeah, I agree, I agree. It used to be like now you cannot predict more than six months. Justin, am I going to ask him about China now? Six months is good, yeah. Six months is maximum, what we can predict this day. We were asking Michael Dell about the impacts of China these days. So there's a lot of uncertainty in the world these days. Totally. Yeah, anything macroeconomic that you look at, your global footprint and? No, we're a traditional global technology company that generates most of the revenue between Europe and North America. And we have emerging markets like Asia-Pac and Latin. So it's, we're no different than any other global technology company in terms of the revenue and our investment. The fastest growing region of course is Asia-Pac but I mean our traditional markets is North America and Europe. Hailing from Asia-Pac, I do know the region reasonably well. And Veeam is, yeah, Veeam is definitely, has a very strong presence there and growing. Australia used to be there, one of our claims to fame was one of the highest virtualized workloads. And now highest cloud adapter. Cloud adoption. Yes, we like new, shiny toys. So we adopt it very, very quickly. So do you see any innovation coming out of Asia-Pac? Because we use these things so much and we tend to be on that leading edge. Do you see things coming out of the Asia-Pac teams that notice how customers are using these systems and that, is that placing demand on Veeam? Absolutely, but Danny knows better because he just came back from the Asia-Pacific trip. That's right, you did. Yeah, I did. I always say you live in the future, which, because you're so many hours ahead, but the reality is actually the adoption of things like hyper-converged infrastructure was far faster in areas like Anzed. The adoption of the cloud. And it's because of New Zealand as part of the D8, Australia is very much associated with taking that. One of the things that we're seeing there is a consumption-based model. I was just there a few weeks ago and the move to a consumption and subscription-based model is far further advanced than other parrots of the world. So I go over there regularly, mostly because it gives me a good perspective on what the US is going to do two years later and maybe Amia three years later. It gives us a good perspective of where the industry is going. It's not to the US, it comes to California first. And then it spreads from there. Yeah, are you saying he's literally using the technology of tomorrow in his today, is what we're saying? Maybe I can make predictions a little bit further ahead then. Well, you live in the future. All right, I want to give you the both, just final word here, VMworld 2019. It's always the best show for us. VMworld is the, I mean, like Danny said, 80% of our customers is VMware. So it's always the best. We've been here for the last 12 years since 2007. I have so many friends, buddies, I love to come here, like to spend three, four days with my best friends in the industry and just in life. I love the perspective here of the multi-cloud world. So we've saw some really interesting things and moving things across clouds and leveraging Kubernetes and containers. And I think the focus on where the industry is going is very much aligned with Veeam. We also believe that while it starts with backup, the exciting thing is what's coming in two, three years. And so we have a close alignment, close relationship. It's been a great conference. Danny, Ratmir, thank you so much for the updates as always. And yeah, have fun with some of your friends in the remaining time that we have. We have a party tonight, Stu, so Justin. Yeah, I think most people that have been to VMworld are familiar with the Veeam party. It is, you know, famous, definitely. For Justin Warren, I'm Stu Miniman. We'll be back with more coverage here from VMworld 2019. Thanks for watching theCUBE.


It's a good thing I got tools around to take care of the problems of my life. With my tools. Sorry folks, we're trying to introduce you to a paper. An implicit technology of generalization. It's a good one. As most of them are when we put them on our channel. Because we're not going to put bad ones. That's an idea. Maybe we should put bad ones on the channel. Maybe we have it. You just haven't figured it out yet. Anyway, implicit technology of generalization. And if you're wondering why I look like I belong in space at the moment. Or on a baseball field with weird glasses. It's because I'm trying to teach you a point about this article. Which is that supposedly you can train for generalization.  Which might simply be the case here. So you get the idea. Alright, because I don't think there's going to be anything too scary about using tin snips on paper. And having stuff jump back into my eyes. And or potentially somebody throwing stuff at me and hitting me in the helmet. Which that is like people. Anyway, I might get away with a smaller head back when he was playing baseball. A smaller head than me. Because we all know I have a big head. Alright, sorry. Stokes and Bear, 1977. We can do this article really quick. Or we can do it really slow. So we're going to try to find a combination. Even though I've got two pages of here. Are you ready? So the basic idea was that Stokes and Bear did a review of basically generalization training. In articles, it was 100 and somewhat articles that they reviewed. Quite a few articles that had been published in behavioral literature. In 1977. So still early in the official field. But still a lot of stuff being published. And then there was obviously behavioral articles published before 1968. But anyway, side note. So generalization at that time up until this article. Essentially mainstream thinking of generalization was essentially a side effect. A positive one in a lot of cases. But it was essentially a side effect. It was a passive process. It wasn't active. You didn't program for it. Now, of course, everybody's right here. They're like, how are we having this discussion? Give you some historical context. That's what we're having this discussion. Is it that we do that now? Well, here's why it was this article, right?  We're going to look at all the ways people have addressed generalization. And I think the important core point that again, I've already said was that it's up until about now. This was a not now is in 77. So it was a pass. It was considered passive. So you do your discrimination, train discrimination, train discrimination. And you ended up getting generalization. So people would think that that's just what happens when you do discrimination training. So sure, in a sense, but they thought a different approach. They thought, well, what happens if you can't just program for it? Isn't it a response kind of into itself? And we'll get into that in a few minutes. All right. So there were nine general categories of different ways in which they identified. There wasn't, they didn't exist prior. They did it after the fact, right? So post hoc is, well, these are the nine different categories of generalization procedures that we have found. So we're going to zip through those really quick train and hope also known as spray and pray. So let's see, across experiments. So again, they're looking across a whole bunch of experiments, experimenters that they would do this generalization training across time. They're to training basically a huge number of these articles that did this train and hope approach showed successful generalization like 90%. But it was almost accidental and the focus was still like on this weird O level response. Like the organism did it. Like it was just not something you could build into your programs. Just did it. Anyway, so sequential comfort, sequential. I hate it when I write stuff so quickly or so early in the morning, but I have no idea what it is that I said. Sequential model. I'm just going to read the principle. It's easier. Sequential modification, consistently coming up with different scenarios, different stimuli and so on and so forth being nice and sequential about it. And then kind of forcing the organism to experience all these different versions of things and blah, blah, blah. It works for generalization as well. However, it gets you type of rigidity. We'll move on. Introduced to natural maintaining contingencies. I have a note here on this one. Introduces behavior traps. It was really funny. I was like, I was reading this. I'm like, behavior traps. And then literally I turned to the next, like the next three lines that like a behavior trap. I've read this article too many times. I knew it was coming. I didn't even know it. So anyway, so behavior traps, et cetera. Not technically generalization, but really it's more about transfer stimulus control. So as we come down this list, you're going to start to see or hear or whatever that we are going to be more about programming. For generalization. So the next step introduced natural. Oh, I just did that one. Train sufficient exemplars, right? So this one's interesting. If you train too many, you have sequential. I still can't read it. Modification. So if you train too many of sequential modification, but if you don't train enough, you don't have enough exemplars. So you're going to find that happy medium. Well, where is it? No, nobody knows. In fact, it's an area that's still probably ripe for research because it's probably different for everybody based on your learning history, which we'll find out when we get into this article and then other articles about generalized imitation. So because all of it's different all the time. And that's just the way science is. All right. So train six sufficient exemplars. So you don't have to train all examples of a scenario. So if you're trying to teach me about cats or fuzzies or whatever those things are, what is that? The stuffy. What do you call them, Brad? Stuffed animal. Stuffed animal. Yeah. All right.  Like you go to my daughter's room. More of them than I care to admit. Because that means I pop them. Anyway, so we could show all of them or we could show a handful of them. And if you show a handful and you could present one as what is this? Describe their label this or tack this or whatever you want to say. And blah, blah, blah. And so it's a stuffy. Like congratulations. But if you do too many, it's going to be too rigid when you get a stuffy that they haven't seen. They're like, I don't know what that is because it's not a stuffy in my, you know, concept formation. Anyway, train sufficient examples. You all know this stuff. Train loosely. These are the guys that came up with all this stuff. It's right here. There's a whole section on training loosely. And they reviewed all the articles associated with training loosely up until that point. I passed it. Let's see. Don't be overly strict. Brad, you do a lot of training loosely. You talk about it all the time, right? Yeah. There's an example. All right. I said the iron, you know, to show training loosely, we must not be loose. So the point is, is that in the experiments in the journal articles, they're like, we're most trained loosely. But in order to demonstrate the training loosely in the journal article, you can't train loosely. It has to be a very rigid condition of training loosely. So there's a certain level of ironing here when you start to look too deep at some of this stuff. I think that would feel good. Yeah. Not really distracted. All right. Let's see what else. Indiscriminable contingencies. This one's awesome because they refer back to like everybody. And what does it mean in indiscriminable contingency? It literally means that you can't tell what contingency you're on. You can actually train that. It's really kind of cool. So think about resistance to extinction, right?  Don't care. Reinforcers, who cares? They're irrelevant because I'm so resistant to extinction. You don't even know what contingencies you're operating under, right? Essentially, this is about removing all the setting events so the organism can't tell what contingencies they're operating on. There's a lot of delayed reinforcement involved in here. In fact, it's a really good way to get generalizations to delay the reinforcers, which is a horrific way to shape behavior but a great way to get generalizations. So these things start to get contradictory with each other. It really depends on what you're trying to do. And as my notes here, in an odd sense, it's a type of training loosely, which sounds really weird to think about. But really what you're saying is that I've got this rigid contingency and then I'm going to start to make it less rigid. I'm going to put it on a, it's not going to be a fixed. It's going to be a variable schedule, right? And then you're going to just start to turn it out and go crazy. And then you may delay the reinforcers. So the organism gets into a scenario or a person gets into a scenario and they just like, I don't know what to do. I'm just going to do something that's worked in the past. Whoa, generalization. And they don't even know how to reinforce contingency. Program come and stimuli. This is really good. My kid will play hockey. So when I was reading this, I was like, hockey stop sign. I even, I was so important. I wrote it down clearly. So a hockey stop sign. Now I don't know if you've seen these, but everybody knows what a stop sign is, right? So you've got a stop sign and up in Canada, the kids had, I don't know if they do it in the States now, but up in Canada, all the kids at their age, they can't hit, you can't check in the back, right? So you check in the back, you can hurt somebody really bad. That's just, it's a no-no. So what did they do? They all stitch a stop sign literally right there. So instead of just sitting in practice, tell the kids, don't hit people in the back. Don't hit people in the back. What do they do? They put a common stimuli in the environment that you want them to stop the behavior, right?  The kids know what to do. It works. Like it's really cool. So make training in the real world similar to, similar to the training environment by using specific stimuli. So you can train that in your training environment by bringing in the stimuli that will exist in the real world. This is all, like this is all creepy. I just kind of a summary of the article. I think it's a great article. Mediate generalization, develop a skill that is useful in more than one scenario. For example, if you want to cut things, learning how to use these, in fact, I didn't learn how to use these, but somebody's like, there's 10 steps, why didn't you use, I'm gonna teach you how to squeeze it. No, I learned to use 10 steps by learning how to use scissors. So I probably don't even have any of the irony. All right. Anyway, so no, no scissors. So that was a scissors response. We're just generalized. So it's a skill that's useful in more than one scenario. So then train to generalize. Here's the important one, the one that I love the most. I'm going to speak about it very little because I think we're getting to the end of this video. So most important thing is that maybe generalization is a response into itself. Can you train it? Can you train an organism, quote unquote, to generalize? Can you train a person? Can you train me? I don't know. I can't. Maybe that's how all of this stuff came about. Maybe I was trained to generalize a little too much. So anyway, the point being that can you reinforce the behavior of generalizing normal responses? Another term for this might be creativity, but we'll leave that at another date or for another article in talking about Karen Pryor's work. So, so yeah, train to generalize. And that may be an interesting thing. And I'm going to wink wink nod nod and generalize imitation here because that's an article that we'll probably cover someday. So there you go. Stokes. There. 77.


It's early days, but I suspect that will be good enough to get him into the final Always advantageous though for you to be able to run in the latter heats when you do have a qualification by time because you know What your target is? going Into the next round Though it's probably better when you're running the 800 and the 1500 when you can pace yourself. Yeah You can gauge it a little bit better. Yeah a lot more difficult at 400 One I rather suspect the officials and be hard at work during the break after the morning session getting This is starting pistols sorted out Sure that we have smooth the running this afternoon Very Comfortable for the athletes throughout the course of the morning starting in fact with the first event they have that long goes Well, they would have had some issues With the blocks initially and then we've had several problems with the gun So it looks as are we ready to go again There's Japan pinnacle of Jamaica fastest in the field at 46 84 He's the favorite for this second heat His teammate Marcini rose already through Javon pinnacle like a few other Jamaicans you'll see over this weekend no longer in the high school system back home He works with the new era track club led by the husband of Elaine Thompson here a Darren era and The pinnacle has gone quite well this season There's also Javon donkli in the 100 meters Who is at elite performance? Which is led by Ronaldo Walcott and Walcott coaches both Shelley and Fraser Price and Elaine Thompson hero great to have options and Certainly that is the case for a number of young Jamaicans Go into the club system in Jamaica Go on to GC Foster and of course many of them have the option to head over to the United States where there are a number of scholarships available The Barbadian Keshon and Niles has done that as well come across to Jamaica at the University of Technology Off they go for this second heat in the honor 20 boys 400 Simons of Bermuda in lane number eight flew on to the blocks and is hammering the back stretch at this stage He is really flying Like a scared Air on the outside The training moving through as well. Beautiful. He is Lezama 47 92 a man Pinoc Takes his time to ease into battle as they make their way off the top end pinoc of Jamaica Lezama of Trinidad into bagel del pesh Of Saint Vincent and the Grenadines That's the big three only the winner guaranteed a spot in the final the Jamaican playing around steps forward It's got to be close at the line, but it's pinoc who gets their first 4901 Nowhere as close to as fast as what we got in the first heat pin up qualifies automatically And that means that the Grenadian Peterkin is still the fastest none automatic qualifier With his 47 92 personal best 4908 for javon pinac of Jamaica. He gets through qualifying Gardner Clark and Orville, however, maybe a little bit frightened Sydney Clark and Orville 49 7 1 49 8 9 Pretty close for those athletes in 23 and 4 You saw Lezama there as well as del pesh and Theodore Trinidad and Tobago Saint Vincent and the Grenadines and the Saint Lucia Theodore Looks as though he meet just have pipped del pesh At the line So those times are going to be interesting 49.08 49 7 1 49 8 1 The real bubble times I would say Ricardo 47 9 2 should be say 49.13 Yeah 49 1 3 4 Lezama del pesh 49 25 Well, you're not seeing theodore coming up on the results, but he was in that cluster


Ukraine requires 250,000 recruits to sustain defence. Ukraine's defence efforts require the mobilisation of at least 250,000 individuals to maintain combat effectiveness, said Serhi Filimonov, leader of the Honor Youth Movement and commander of legendary Da Vinci Wolves Battalion, in an interview with TSN. We simply will not be able to fight without mobilising at least 250,000 people. Filimonov said, noting the urgency of reinforcing Ukraine's military ranks with trained fighters and those with combat experience. Filimonov referenced former commander Valeriy Zaluznyi's estimate of needing up to 500,000 recruits and stressed the importance of current soldiers passing on their knowledge to new recruits. He pointed out the challenges new soldiers would face if experienced fighters were lost to injuries, psychological burnout or death. Ukraine does not require active offensive actions this year but should focus on building defence, accumulating weapons, training personnel and mobilising more forces, according to Filimonov. Filimonov took command of the Da Vinci Wolves Battalion, part of the 59th Brigade on February the 6th. Previous battalion commander of the 67th Separate Mechanised Brigade and hero of Ukraine Dmitro Kotsiyubilo was killed in March 2023 in battle near Bakhmut, Donetsk Oblast at the age of 27.


And welcome to our session, How to Contribute to the Ansible Community. We are Anwesha and Carol and we will do a brief intro of ourselves. So I'm Carol Chen and I just listed a bunch of dates because I just wanted to show that I have been a Linux user for a while. My first digital was actually Red Hat Linux, not Red Hat Enterprise Linux but it was Red Hat Linux 6.0 something. And I actually finally joined Red Hat, you know, one of my dream jobs in 2016. So such an honor to be here. And I started contributing to FOSS projects around 2004. I'm actually a bit hazy on the exact time because I had to check my own LinkedIn page to find out when that was. And if I had seen such a talk before that, I probably would have contributed earlier because there's actually many different ways to contribute, not just code. So we'll go into that a bit in the talk.  I saw using IRC a long time ago and nowadays I am on Matrix, believe it or not, I can learn new tricks. So I joined Matrix. I actually heard about Matrix in 2016-17 and already signed up for my ID, Matrix ID, like around then. So find me on both my work and personal Matrix IDs listed there. And I'm going to hand off to the much younger Anwesha who, you know, despite her youthfulness, has a lot of open source experience. So don't be deceived. Plus, she has some legal chops to back her up, so very powerful combination. But I'll stop talking now and let her continue. Thank you, Carol. And welcome. Welcome, everyone, to the talk. Hello, my name is Anwesha, Anwesha Das. I'm a lawyer by education and technologist by passion. I am one of the newest addition to the Ansible community team. I'm a software engineer at Red Hat. I help free and open source communities around the globe with my technical, legal, and organizational skills. I'm a proud Pai Lady. I don't know how many of you know about Pai Ladies over here. I am a Pai Ladies organizer at PaiLadies.com and also I led Pai Ladies efforts in India. I have a blog, Anwesha Das.in, where I translate legalese to English amongst many other things. And I'm a fellow at Python Software Foundation. Wow, I'm representing Red Hat. Amazing. Okay. Okay. I want to share a story with you. It was 2020 during pandemic. I was talking to a friend of mine who is a senior technologist who maintained colonel.org for a decade and who is an ex-Red Hatter. I was curious that what he is doing during pandemic. I was like, what are you doing? And he said that he's ancivilizing his whole infrastructure. I said, why? I was curious. And he gave me an answer which actually changed the whole perspective for me for Ansible. So he said, if something happens to me, then people will able to understand what and why about my infrastructure. Ansible helps you to think declaratively. The comment indeed was deep and it's a fact. But thinking declaratively, is it the only feature that makes Ansible cool? Not really. There is a lot of things in the list. Agent list, architecture, cross-platform support, easy way of deploying and deploying in the server. So there are many in the list and also it enhances the security and mitigates human error and makes so easy. I started learning my system administration through Ansible or lately in Ansible. So that is how we are pretty cool actually. So no wonder why Ansible is the most popular free and open source automation project. Now when we are talking about Ansible, we are not talking about a single project. Rather, we are talking about a whole ecosystem. Right now we have 20 plus project inside Ansible ecosystem. And like every other successful open source project, there are certain things which lies at the very core open source ethos, collaboration and community. What is Ansible community? Rather, who are Ansible community? You are Ansible community. We all are Ansible community, whether you are a user, developer or people like us who get paid to work on Ansible, all of us together form the Ansible community.  Also if you contribute via content or code or if you evangelize and tell other people how cool Ansible is, you are a part of the community. Ansible is blessed to have a very strong community in regards of contributors. Ansible used to be the 10 most popular open source project in GitHub before 2020, before Ansible core and collection split it. Now if we talk about in terms of users, there are millions of, like the user base is in millions. And when we want to see what how big is our contributors base, let's use this chart. So this proves how big is our contributor base. This is a chart dated April 2023. This shows the contribution, like staff versus non-staff. So if you if we see here, it's 57% of the contribution has been made by the by the staff and the rest of it by the community. Now if we see the unique authors in this set, 184 has been staff and a staggering number of 4,170 being non-staff. We have used and we have considered PRs and review comments for the last three years on GitHub, where we have indexed like 50,000 plus items and covered 376 GitHub reports. Now is it actually the graph which shows how big is our contributor base? Actually not. We haven't considered the 33,000 plus roles and collections on Galaxy. We are pretty big. Now are you interested in like Ansible and do you find our ecosystem interesting? And maybe some of you want to start contribution or you have started your contribution towards Ansible. Let us give like both of us give you certain pointers to that. Like how can you contribute to Ansible and anyone and everyone can become a hero in the Ansible land? So how to become a hero in the Ansible land? There are many there are many options for you. If you want to contribute via code, which is generally, which is a norm, which is the first thing it comes to the mind. Of course you can. We are a Python shop, majorly our code basis in Python and as I mentioned we are a free and open source project and it is licensed under GPL v3. Now collections, if you want to share your plugins, your roles and modules and you think it can be helpful for the community, please come and share it. One of the major reason why Ansible is so successful and has been adopted by a large number of people is because of its documentation. I am a living proof of that. I have learned Ansible by learning from the documentation. Now this documentation not only our documentation not only describes the tool rather it gives you certain practical examples which is very, very helpful. So if documentation is your passion, please join our documentation team Ansible meetups. So meetups is a place where upstream and downstream the users and the contributors, the whole community collaborate with each other. We have 139 plus meetup groups and 52,000 plus members all over the globe. Find one and join one of such meetup groups and share your automation journey. If you are interested in web design, currently we are trying to build a website. We are in dire need of website designers, UX and UI, apart from the need which we have in our Ansible ecosystem, please join our group. Carol is going to tell you more about this in her later part of the talk. And most importantly, run Ansible meetings, share your knowledge, share your user journey, share your stories. This is your chance to give back to the community. Now in this section, the next part of our talk, we are going to describe each of these in details like how can you do that, like how can you contribute via code. Now as I said Ansible is a big ecosystem, so you can ask Anvesha, it's a big ecosystem, how can I find which are the spaces I should look for if I want to contribute to Ansible. So these are the spaces you should look for if you want to contribute to Ansible, three GitHub organizations and Ansible Galaxy. Then the next question comes, there are so many projects in the Ansible universe. Now which are the projects which might be interesting? You might want to go and check our new Ansible ecosystem page where you can find what is the definition and what does each of the project does. I have actually mentioned a few of them over here, but you can go and find about all of them in the Ansible ecosystem page.  You can fix bug or you can report something which might be a problem for you, you don't know it might be a problem for others as well. So please start contributing by fixing bug or adding a new feature. Now how to find out, like if you want to start contributing, how to find out. So look for these labels, easy fixes and good first start issues, like easy fixes are the good first start issues. So these are the labels you should look for when you want to start to contribute. Now the next part is Ansible collection. If you want to start contributing to Ansible collection, it is a very good way of contribution, like place to start with. So Ansible collections is what gives Ansible the superpower and why I say that. Because Ansible, there are thousands of collections, as I mentioned before, which is maintained by the domain experts, which keeps Ansible ahead in its game and also gives us agility. So if you want to start contributing to collection, it's great. Now how to do that, there's a link contribute to collections. If you want to contribute to collections, it's a document which will guide you step by step for that. Also you can upload your collection to galaxy.ansible.com and there you can share your collections with the bigger audience, with the community. And that is how you can become the guardians of the galaxy. Now if you want to start contributing to any of these projects, I would strongly recommend you please do come to our booth and talk to Andhrae and a majority of the Ansible engineers over here. If you have any questions you can turn around and talk to Adam and Chad who are sitting over there. So please do that. And now Carol is going to tell you what are the other ways you can contribute to. Thank you, Anwesha. There's so much great information in there. So let's continue. All right, Anwesha already touched a bit on documentation. And one of our main docs person is over at Ansible booth, he's Don Naro. So if you have any documentation questions, you can go talk to him. And actually tomorrow we will have a talk at 2 p.m. and it's about some of the progress and things we have worked on this year. And one of the major things is using personas to define user journeys in the documentation website. And Don will be the person who will be at the talk talking about the details. So I'll let him do the honors tomorrow. So please come to the talk if you're interested. Then, oops, my speaker notes. We think about documentation and sometimes, you know, like you're thinking, oh, I'm new to Ansible. How can I help in the documentation? And actually, new users can be great help because as you go through the documentation to get started, you will probably notice ways to improve to make things clearer that some of us who have used Ansible before take for granted. So if you find some way, like, oh, this is actually missing a step that if it's specified, it will help the process of learning, of explaining the steps of using Ansible. So you can create an issue or a PR to bring that to our attention, to the community's attention, and we can improve the documentation with your help. If you're interested, we have a documentation working group, DOGS, DAWGS, and we have a cute doggy mascot there. It's every Tuesday at 1800 UTC, and it's our matrix at the docs colon ansible.com matrix room, which is bridged to the Ansible-DOGS RSC channel. And actually, this room is also bridged to a Discord channel because we actually have a group of writers from Nigeria, I think, who are also contributing to Ansible-DOGS. So it's definitely a global community-wide effort to improve to DOGS. Similarly with code, there are some issues you can find in the DOGS site repo that are easy fixes that you want to get started with. You can search with these labels to find these issues. And the bit.ly link below Ansible-DOGS contrib outlines the process of how you can create a pull request and submit it and what information you need to contribute to the documentation repo and improve that. Again, I want to touch a bit on meetups, so I'll mention a bit more about how you can contribute by organizing a meetup. These are great numbers, tens of thousands of meetup members, more than 100 meetup groups. But honestly, not all these meetup groups that we support are active. Partly due to the pandemic, partly due to various reasons, some people started the meetup group, changed jobs, lost interest, things in life happen, so they may have abandoned it. So please, if you know of an Ansible meetup group in your area, if you go to meetup.com, search for it. If you find it and it's not active and you're interested to make it active again, come talk to us. If there's no meetup group in your area, you want to start one, also come talk to us. And if you find a meetup group with NCBool as one of the organizers, that's probably supported by us. And also besides meetups, which are more kind of local and regional, sometimes in your different languages, depending on your audience, we also have presence at many major force events, such as this one. But as much as our team would like to be everywhere at once, meeting all of you, we actually depend also on the community, such as you to represent us, represent the community at events. So I want to give a shout out to Daniel Shire, I think Slantzlemies, who actually did that specifically for Chemnitz Linux days in Germany. We were not there. He approached us. He said he would like to have an Ansible workshop or a talk or something and even had a booth and we sent him some stickers and he was there just sharing about Ansible community, contributions, the joy of using Ansible and things like that. So these are little things that if you have the interest, we want to support you and help you to do things like that. Sure, sometimes, yeah, sometimes organizing a meetup, it is a lot of work. Not sometimes, it is a lot of work. But there are ways that even if you don't have all the time to do the main organizing, you can help in many different ways. If you have a space for a meetup, you can help to host it. If you don't have time to take care of all the organization, but you have a topic you want to talk about, approach a local organizer and offer to speak at their meetup. And even by attending a meetup, you are contributing, you're helping them because a meetup is nothing without the people, without the audience. So there are many ways that you can do to make meetups happen and be a part of the community. Another thing we want to mention is we are working on Aung Wai Shui's leading this effort, we are working on a meetup toolkit for organizers. There are sample emails to find locations, speakers, templates for social media posts, and something to get you started. And of course, this thing will also be open to contributions because we realize that many different regions have different challenges and variations about how meetups are organized. So you can also as a meetup organizer, help other organizers to improve their meetups. And also, one example is if you want to do a presentation on how to contribute to Ansible, we will upload these slides to the schedule.com after this, and if you notice on the first slide, there was a Creative Commons license, so feel free to use these slides at your next meetup to talk about how to contribute to Ansible. Chatting sounds like a fun, easy way to hang out with people you share common interests with, right? How is that contribution? Well, by chatting with people in the Ansible space, we have a matrix space, space on matrix, similar to the DefCon space that some of you are now into, you know, join, participate in this event. By, you can help by answering questions because a lot of users come on these chat channels to ask questions on basic usage or on contributions, quote questions, event questions. So, you know, a lot of you have a lot of great knowledge to share, and even if you don't know everything, well, because I usually don't know, I don't have most of the answers, but I know where to look for the answers, so I help like, oh, maybe you can talk to Anwesha for this, you can talk to Andre for that. So, you know, you can be the person connecting more people in the community. That's a great way to not just help each other, but also build the community spirit. So, what's a community without, you know, these strong connections and links to each other, right? So, chat, chat, just by chatting is a great way you can contribute. And if you're watching or chatting on matrix and having questions, we will hopefully be able to answer them soon, and I'll look at the matrix room after this talk. Oh, this is actually an XKCD comic that, by the way, the slides were put together by Leo Gallego, our teammate, so I actually found this tweet that somebody tweeted to me a while ago, because I used to be a hardcore IRC user. I'm like, I'm not, I'm going to stay here for life, but I got converted to, and now I'm a main matrix user, although I do have my two accounts breached to IRCNICs, but anyway, join us on matrix. So now is audience participation time. Hopefully you'll be able to scan this QR code, take out your phones now, start scanning, I'll give you a couple of minutes. And again, this is because Leo put together this initial set of slides for Red Hat Summit, Ansible Community Day last month. Thanks to him for finding a bunch of cute cat pictures. So if you scan it, you'll find out what I'm talking about. Please vote. And like Leo said, don't just vote for the cutest cat or funniest cat you see, but think about what you might be interested in contributing or what are your strengths and interests. I'm just going to pause for a while. If there's any questions at this time, we can maybe take one, if not, we can wait till the end. All right. So we've gone through quite a bit of many ways that you can contribute to Ansible Project. And there's definitely not an exhaustive list, there's definitely other ways that we have not mentioned. And there are also a couple of things we're working on that gives you more opportunities to contribute in the future. So if you are aware of some of our strategies from the beginning of the year, we talked about how, like Ansible is a large growing project, it's a lot of different sub-projects and different parts of the community. And one of the growing problems, growing pains is that things can get fragmented. So in order to kind of address this fragmentation, two of our kind of main strategic items for this year are to create a new website and to create a new forum. And we've definitely discussed this very thoroughly with the community. We have had meetings and GitHub issue discussions and things like that. So just curious, how many of you here knew that we were working on a new website? Good, thank you. So it's a work in progress. There is a repo that's doing this with the community and you're welcome to join the website working group, our matrix, at website. As with website, there's a lot of content that needs to be added and there's a lot of visual designs that needs to happen to kind of pull everything together. And we have great engineers and writers and stuff like that, but unfortunately we are lacking in some like UX, UI designers, people who have that ability to create engagement through the online presence. So if you have that interest, it's an easy way to showcase your talent and also help this Ansible community. And as the website launch in phases, there will be additional ways to contribute like writing blog posts, creating video content. And if you have great ideas, please come talk to us and also join the website working group to share your ideas. The other thing I mentioned is the forum. So it will be based on discourse. And it's just a way because we have many, how many hundreds of GitHub repos, right? So each of them have discussions and issues. And sometimes it's really hard to find, if you're looking for something specific to have a central place to find that discussion that's happening. So we hope that this forum will be able to kind of address some of that and pull the community together in one central place that you can share different ideas. And it's almost close to the end where in the finishing raised the finish line here and hopefully within the next couple of weeks or at least the next month we'll be able to share the availability of the forum. It's 99% probably it's going to be forum.ansible.com. So once it's confirmed, we will let you know. And please subscribe to the Bullhorn if you haven't already to stay updated of this. So how do you subscribe to the Bullhorn? How do you follow all these things that we've said for now? Since we don't have the website ready yet, we do have the ansible.com slash community page that has the Bullhorn information, has some of the project information. And so in the meantime, please keep your eyes on the page to stay on top of the updates. Once the website is ready, it will definitely be announced there and you can continue following us and interacting with us on the website and the forum. And if you have any questions that you want to reach out to us directly, of course Matrix is one thing, the ansible space and also ansible.com is another way to reach our whole team directly. And speaking of the whole team, Anwesha, would you like to share with us about, tell us about this? OK, Carol and I might be present over here, but this is a work of all these wonderful people. Carol and I also included in those list of wonderful people though. But you can see many of them in our booth and some of them who are part, as I said, of the bigger ansible ecosystem will be there in our booth as well. So please join us in our booth and have, if you have questions, we'd love to be interrupted. And so whenever you find us, grab us and ask whatever you want to ask about ansible. So here is our wonderful team. So this slide, as Carol has been mentioned a couple of times, has been made by this person with a red hat, Leo. And thank you, Leo, for that. And many of the questions which we said in this talk, like answered in this talk, has been answered by them. We are just echoing their thoughts. So thank you, our team. So every project, as we were discussing, every project advances and progresses. So it is very essential that we work on the core of that project, like what is the thing, what we are working for, the mission statement. So we are working for our mission statement. If you can go to this QR code and we are having a feedback, like we want your feedback, we need your feedback for describing and having our new mission statement for Ansible. Please consider giving a feedback over there. We would really appreciate it. And with that, do we want to say thank you? Of course we want to say thank you, but before that, any questions from here, online perhaps? Thank you very much. And again, if you haven't scanned the QR code, it will be available at the booth as well. Please come talk to us. We would love to hear from you. Enjoy the rest of the F-Con. Thank you so much.


Tablet, yet again, as calls another standstorm. Oh my God, I actually cannot believe Rob has turned up to the beach yesterday. I did not expect that one in a million years. Bailey's face absolutely hit the floor. She was so surprised to see me. Better face you than you expect to see. Oh my God. He's my most recent ex. We had unfinished business. It could not have got any more awkward for me. I was literally lost for words.  I knew something had been happening. I knew there's something she'd need to tell me. Take it as easy whatever for the first couple of days and whatnot. And then George books on. Yeah. And I sort of was... ...being with George and the villa. Tablet, yet again, as calls another standstorm. I think you've got a lot of explaining to do.  I've got to go on a date with Rob with champagne under the stars. Honestly, I was absolutely dreading it. Obviously, I had to break it between me and George. I should have gone the full way in the villa. It was absolutely heartbreaking to tell him that, but I knew I had to. That's it. Me and my son kept first. I didn't know what to think at first. She should hold more loyalties towards me. As soon as she told me she's been sleeping with a geezer, obviously it just goes to show she has no loyalties and no one is just capable of doing something like that so quick. Rob took it so well on the date, but when we got back to the villa, it looked like it affected him. I think it's so hard for Rob to witness me and George in the same company. I just think it is a kick in the teeth, but he's put himself in this situation and I can't actually change it because this is what's happening.  Is it nice to see Rob? My head's everywhere.  I never expected you to come in here. I mean, stop. She said, I don't know where my head's at with it all. I'm still shaking. I'm shocked that you're here. What are you doing here? It says it in her face anyway. It's quite obvious. Her eyes were gone. Her face, she didn't know where to look. She didn't know which way to turn. I think George was sort of shocked by it. I think he sort of half expected me to come out here. Bailey said she's now gonna carry on cracking him with George.  I've not answered that. It's a bit awkward now. Rob is here. I don't know. Good by the sounds of it, I was spoken about on a few occasions. Tablet of terror goes off. Rob, would you rather see the truth about what Bailey's been answering the villa before you arrived?  Do I leave the villa now with my head held high? No, full well. What Bailey's really about? Do you know what is only a couple of more days left anyway? I'd rather see what she's been up to.  And it was just video clips of them not in the bedroom, doing whatever they're doing under the sheets. If it was me and the tablet of terror said to witness what Bailey's been up to in the villa or to go home, I'd be on that next flight back to England.  I dealt with the situation well. I took it like a man and it is what it is. He took it so well, but it was just complete and utter mess and I wish a tablet of terror I'd never show him that. Hit the high five! That's just weird though.  It's gave me closure. I've made my decision. I'll never get back with a girl and that's final. To be honest, this situation I'm in at a minute is fucked in it. Let's have it right. I mean, look, I'm banging these ex-misses. So yeah, I'm over the moon really.