d to Talk about a little better process. I'm gonna go on a little bit beyond my five minutes But it didn't speak on any other issue tonight president, right? You got it. Okay. Thank you The when I look at the idea of Kind of the short of it is that I'm not yet convinced that a separate setting up a separate nonprofit is the best way to do this And I could very well we be one. We just want to share some of my My thoughts about about why some concerns that I have One is that we will be If we set up this nonprofit then the nonprofit in the city of Burlington are gonna have to engage in a lot of negotiations About what is the basic level of services that the taxes will pay for? What's the extra level of service? There's a whole series of negotiations. There's going to be a legal document Okay, so you're already are we setting up this oppositional kind of relationship? That gives way to that creates a lot of transactions costs in terms of Negotiating the agreement and in terms of monitoring each other and trying to make sure that each other is doing all the things It says it's going to do Do is that necessary? Are we gonna get been enough benefit? Where's the benefit that you get for all that? Process-wise we This proposal has been in our hands just a few days the public hasn't had a chance to really see it The process is a bit compressed now that now that we're on the verge of warning charter language I'm a little worried about that. We do have a month in January where we can engage the public but but I'm I'm I Haven't yet had the opportunity here enough from my constituents about whether they have a comfort level with Accomplishing the goals that we I think are broadly shared in this way And I keep coming back to this key question that I have which is why do we need a separate non-profit? What does the separate non-profit get us and we may hear some some answers to that tonight? I do believe there there there was possibly a way to do this through the public model We didn't have time to develop it, you know I would be much more comfortable moving this forward if we had developed kind of a public option and Had that side-by-side with this option We don't have the time for that and so I think it's up to Maybe we still just go ahead as a group For me I would have That that's a little bit of a sticking point for me because I think that we could have put together a good model Working with the model of the department within the city And empowering Them more than they have now and addressing some of the issues that have come up over the years within that framework of a department One issue that I think that the counts that I'd like I think charter change might look at is that is Whether the new entity would be subject to the open meeting law and public records law Because at this point they would not be And I think that is an issue that might be worth worth looking at So I did vote to I just want to explain my my vote Vote against referring I'll be voting against referring tonight. We'll be talking about this at our NPA I hope to hear from more my position may evolve But as of tonight, I'm just not not there yet on the separate nonprofit. Thank you president right. Thank you council. No doubt Counselor pine then Mason busher and Tracy Thank you, mr. President. I think what I'll do is run through some questions really more for um, I Guess for the ordinance committee. I'm sorry the chart chart change committee. Um, I Because I think if we went through them, I have five here if we went through them and try to answer them I think we'd take too long so Really want to make sure that How do we ensure that the seven public members are genuinely chosen by the power from among the public and are not just a way to Essentially achieve a majority of of business owners or business interests on the board I think that's a legitimate question to ask and make sure we have some structure around that so that If the goal is to truly have seven general public members who aren't fee payers and aren't business owners Then I think we have to think about that in the structure and I think those details are important I'd rather not wait on all those details. I believe this structure means that the current employees of the marketplace Who are city employees with all the benefits and protections of city employment? How do we ensure that the new nonprofit would continue to carry out those same package or that same deal? I don't know that we can't but I think we have to consider that because we just are seeing that with Burlington telecom Employees seeing a big shift at least that was a concern that we've discussed. So I think we have to acknowledge that The Question I have is with the marketplace existing marketplace Properties continue to pay a higher fee than the off marketplace properties and if so What do they get for that different from the rest that wasn't there to be from the presentation So maybe that may be something that council roof or someone can speak to tonight and then the last thing is the inflation or the The increases of up to five percent strike me as a little little high a little rich I think that's if we were to do five percent rent increases for tenants in Burlington They'd be struggling badly So I think we ought to peg it to CPI or some measurable metric as opposed to just a five percent number Which feel like a Fledged number it doesn't feel like it's it's based on anything other than Maybe you know sort of gauging what sounds reasonable and then lastly I do have Remaining concern that a nonprofit board or their staff could exercise discretion around Perhaps more aggressive approaches to people on the street carrying out You know panhandling or whatever and just take a little more aggressive approach to that And it'd be more difficult for the city to kind of control and police that I'm a little bit worried about that All right, thank you councillor pine. I know councillor Joan councillor Shannon was taking notes and if any councillor councillor Roofer Whoever wanted to respond to this when it comes to their time They can will continue on with a queue with councillor Mason then busher and Tracy. Thank you president, right? I had two sort of areas. I was hoping charter change could look at and the first sort of has been touched on briefly Councilor Nadell referred to this long agreement My concern and then councillor pine was referring to control I've looked at the management plan. I'm sort of looking at from a breach perspective I appreciate we have the five-year and the ten-year options to you know revisit the relationship But it's not clear to me whether if a service wasn't being provided or we had issues, you know if if the management plan would have provisions that would allow us to hold the non-profit accountable to the services and the quality that they've agreed to provide I appreciate that's maybe a detail But it does from a control perspective and ensuring that people live up to the contract I think we need to be cognizant of that the other As sort of chair of the tax abatement committee, I'm really puzzled how abatement is going to work within this group We you know on the residential side We have statutory criteria and we sort of crib from state statute I don't know what the criteria are going to be and I'm also it's an interesting paradigm because we have this sometimes on the residential side Here my guess is you're going to have a bifurcation of the owner and the tenant and I'm guessing you're looking at the owner for you know, whether to pay so My assumption is that's passed through and really the difficulty paying or the problems are going to be at the business tenant side not at the landlord side, so I don't know how you guys are going to deal with that But that's something as I was hearing the presentation that I just sort of scratched my head like I don't know how you're going to do this So thank you for listening Thank you councilmation councillor busher Thank you As a member of the board of finance, I did move this forward And that's not to say that I don't have some Outstanding concerns, but I did feel like I wanted this to come to the full council And I actually do want it to move to the charter Change committee also Having said that one thing that was overlooked. I want to just focus on a couple of things the governance structure There are there are a couple of issues for me. One is I asked to have added to the Additional the group that are non voting ex officio members. I asked if a city councillor would be part of that group I am pretty cautious and feel that it would be good to have that direct communication from this board Back to the council and you know, we talked about whether or not that would sunset after five years I don't know if it would need to continue forever But initially it would I would like that there and there was agreement On that at the board of finance. So I did want to make that statement The other thing as we got to the map and we started talking about tiers because I was pointing out how broad that Did is and that it really was formed mainly for parking and so a single issue and now we're really broadening those issues And I was pointing out how maybe It wasn't just one district, but maybe two and and councillor roof mentioned that there are tiers within This district Which made me think Okay, so when we talk about membership on the board We have to make sure not only do we have residents and businesses and property owners But we need to make sure that we have representation From throughout that district because if you had every member In just the core downtown They would could potentially create Fees assessments whatever that may not be consistent with The individuals on the waterfront in other sections of the d id So I feel like there needs to be a lot of thought Going forward as you make these appointments. So that has to do with governance I think that the other thing was that I wanted to also say that I had some concerns about The details about if you note that there is a statement that the council will have to Before we can activate this district the the council will have to Approve the management plan and the bylaws And so I think once again if indeed this format moves forward, we have to really pay attention to these details Because that's how we will go do business and I think councillor nodell pointed out A concern About city versus the business community and maybe we would not always be On the same page and how We would work through all of those differences and And whether or not, you know, she did raise a question that I still have Impondering whether or not a non-profit is the right model or is it or should there be a different model? I think that A number of people have given us all a lot to think about and the charter change committee a lot to think about so Having said that I'm going to stop. Thank you. Thank you councillor busher councillor tracy Thank you president right With this proposal, I think that we are moving very quickly And as a result of moving very quickly fundamental aspects of this this proposal remain as yet undefined For instance, I would actually like to know How the people that are going to serve on this board will be selected because I think that directly goes to Who gets to be at the table and then as a function of that or as an extension of that The decisions that flow from that table that directly impact the public and in our downtown What is defined within this proposal to my eyes is slanted towards businesses and their interests And because and I think that that flows directly from the fact that they are contributing Money for this and they're going to want something for having contributed money to the downtown in terms of influence and in my mind that influence Could very much run counter to and against the broader interest of the burlington public for instance in terms of Downtown businesses they want and very much as a function of their existence need people to be spending money But a downtown isn't just about spending money A downtown is about so many other aspects of city life and interaction and socialization That we we cannot just reduce it to to spending money and I think that in Giving a significant amount of influence You know a majority of a board focused on business owners and businesses In the downtown that we very much run that risk I think that in In addition to that and that that could have some very significant impacts in terms of exclusionary practices In term in terms of exacerbating existing social harms Like some of the the class based issues that were raised in public form as well as some of the racial enforcement issues that were raised and that have manifested in other downtown investment districts and Beyond those more those deeper seated more fundamental concerns. I think there are also more programmatic concerns that could emerge in terms of either the The programming that takes place one key example that's been cited in this process is that for instance on church street We use That's public space for the festival of fools. Well, the business owners don't like that But the public loves the festival of fools because it's a project It's a thing that we all can enjoy for free and go out and enjoy But that takes attention away from people spending money So does that then mean in this structure that they get to maybe try and kill that? I think that one of their dissatisfactions is that under the current structure They really can't because we have a lot of control and have maintained a strong public influence with it within that current structure I think also when we look at streets, we're going to see some conflicts there as well Because if you look at for instance, the great street standards, which are all centered around these downtown streets You have a menu of options and those options can be Can be very different and can benefit different interests thinking of like a parklet versus a sidewalk cafe a a series of you know bike parking versus again More more cafe spaces or things that you know, maybe You know or less program spaces like a parklet where you know, maybe someone who's homeless could sit Or benches where someone who's homeless could sit those kinds of things may be programmed out because That doesn't benefit the business interests As part of a broader kind of effort to sanitize the the downtown environment in a way to disneify the downtown And so I think that these concerns At least for me are situated in a broader framework of sort of the creeping neoliberalism that we see Coming into and transferring to the municipal level where we see private interests Taking a much bigger role in Governance where we see an erosion of democratic structures and where we see More and more of an effort to elevate those business interests And and move away from the sort of downtown governance by the people for the people towards one that is By the few for the few so I will be opposing this and we'll be you know, certainly I'm on the charter change committee, but I certainly want to you know Express my serious reservations now and we'll continue to do so at the committee. Thank you, councilor tracy. Councilor roof just I just hope I don't have the opportunity like There were there was numerous assertions made in that last statement that just don't have anything to do with the proposal That is now in front of the council. So I'd like to address that in a timely manner, but um Can you wait for I'll come back to you? Okay, councilor roof Then shannon jang the mayor or we can go to councilor the mayor after council roof or If the mayor would like to respond I'd like to give him that mayor would you want to speak now that you can you can go Yeah, I would appreciate it. All right. I'm very thank you put me last in line. I'm sorry put You can put me last in line. Okay. Got it um So councilor tracy just laid out um a number of objections which were they Objections that were risks or inherent or in any way included in this Um Proposal would I think be real causes for concern, but they just they simply aren't there is no Authority being given to the downtown improvement district that would allow the downtown district improvement district to um Stop the festival of fools or future events like that from happening And we're there. I would not be sporting this if that was an authority that we were giving over those I think that is an a wonderful Uh festival that is in no way being put at risk by this and I think that's important to clarify similarly There's been, you know, the great street standards that were in the process of building um Has been an initiative of this administration Uh that we have strongly stood behind it. It is uh discouraging to hear inaccurately suggested that We would be giving up the ability As a city to define the public realm and to put in the public realm what we want We are not there's in in no way is that authority being Given over to this downtown improvement district. So We could Construct all sorts of Um Concerns about this. I think there are legitimate things to be debated here and and we've had a great discussion at the At the board of finance level and I'm sure the chart change will in the weeks ahead and then we'll have another month Uh before finalizing this in in january to short through other details But I would hope we could Constrict that we should focus in that important debate on things that are actually a part of this proposal Not fears about what perhaps some other districts do And or or things that are complete Red herrings with respect to what is actually in this proposal All right. Thank you. Mr. Mayor councillor shannon then jang and then roof Thank you president right. I wasn't planning on speaking to this I was really planning on just taking notes to bring back to the charter change committee and try to deliver what This body um wants to Wants us to come back to you with but when I hear our beloved local businesses being vilified the way I just heard I I have to speak up I don't think that um anybody would be too interested in coming to our downtown for any reason if it were not for our businesses and It's a struggle to keep local businesses in a downtown and we are so fortunate to have them because many Downtowns have lost their local businesses. We want to support them. They are our eyes on the street They are the vitality in our downtown And while there was a comment made about moving About festival of fools being somewhat a victim of their own success and perhaps having outgrown church street And maybe it could move to other parts of the downtown I don't think that there was a proposal to eliminate festival of fools. In fact, it's our local businesses that are um Really supporting bca who puts on the festival of fools and likewise. It's bca that's supporting our local businesses Uh, I I often talk to our good friend of berlington telecom gary evans About the success of church street and he shared that in winona Minnesota they tried to do the same same thing and it failed and he really credited um the the Vitality of the arts in berlington was a part of that. So I don't think that there is some antagonism between Between the arts and festival of fools and the vitality of our businesses They're all linked together and this is not a proposal to Let the businesses take our tax dollars and spend them as they may This is a pro proposal where the businesses will generate Additional tax dollars To be spent on additional enhancements beyond what we could otherwise afford So I I just don't want this to be construed as something that it isn't And I think that we should all be grateful that we have the businesses that we have downtown. They support our nonprofits um they they Provide what we all love about downtown berlington whether or not we can actually patronize them They are the vitality of our downtown. Thank you Thank you councillor shan and councillor jang and then councillor roof Thank you president and um the question that I have is For the city attorney and it's more about process from here to After the ballot items. What are the steps that we need to take to get there? So what after the charter change committee meets um tomorrow and wednesday if they bring back to you assuming you Tonight if you refer to the charter change committee, I guess I have to start there Then the charter change committee will look at um at language and then assuming they bring back language to you on the 17th you you Will have before you then a resolution to warn a Two public hearings to consider the charter changes those public hearings are going to be scheduled for January 22nd and 28th Which is you have council meetings those nights and then I believe the 28th is the last night that you have to vote Amy can you confirm that it's the january 28th is the last night you have to vote on Putting the language specifically on the ballot The way that charter changes are set up according to state law is that once you warn them for public hearing You can make changes to those Charter changes based on the comments made at public hearing And one of the and those public those comments can be Comments from the counselors as well. Um, so It's just that they have to be made at public hearing. We can't make changes except what's said at public hearing But we can make those changes And and yeah, and if we go to the ballot and let's say It wins 96% So does it come back here to the council? No, if it wins at at at the in the at the ballot box It goes to the state legislature and then the government operations subcommittee of the Legislature looks at it and works on it and eventually it has to work its way through both Houses and generally The legislature tends to if the voters have voted particularly if they voted very strongly for Charter changes to move those through fairly expeditiously. This is somewhat complicated And but it will depend a little bit on the the vote and then the then They present it to the governor and the governor has to sign it Once the governor signs it it'll have an effective date on it and at that point it will just go into effect Thank you. And lastly Yeah, so um, the mayor asked me to mention one other piece is the way that we are perceiving this based on What's been put what's going to the charter change committee unless you all tell us to do something different is that there will be a number of Agreements for the city to negotiate with the board including An annual budget a draft management plan bylaws for the operation Of the entity and that a base level services agreement I think those are the primary ones. I might have forgotten one and And you will have some time to do that That likely until you know that the legislature is adopting it I don't know. I don't know what the timing of that will be but won't actually start Go into effect until after the it is signed by the governor and one of the things that we have built in To the draft right now is that the church street marketplace will continue to operate as it has been operating until Those charter the new charter changes are adopted and you have negotiated the these various agreements for operation And can we make sure for example the charter change committee? Is it possible for us to Charge the charter change to come up with an advisory language from the community instead of Like a done deal. So for example, we just want to seek Advice from the community about this and then instead of going to the state So it comes back here for us to vote on it and then send it to the state. Can we use that process? For example, like the f35 What comes back you will vote on the actual language when it comes back But they're they have to They have to give you some language to to vote on I think because You have to on the 17th warn it for public hearing or it has to wait until the next Thank you city attorney blackwood and councillor jane. So Could the council ask the charter change committee to put forward a Advisory question instead of a charter change Exactly a councillor could make that motion if you wanted to and you would have to get support from the full council From the majority of the council to do that right now Absent any move by a council or motion by a council like that. We are looking at a charter change And any of the charter change that we're looking at follow all of the What city attorney blackwood except for the last part? They all follow that same process where the charter change committee will send them to us If the council wants to do that We have a vote if we if we move them forward it has the public hearings If if the voters support them they go to the legislature all charter changes do Thank you But I have you know, definitely questions about governance authority the appeal of abatements and advisory ballot But which are you just answered but I think at this point We can we can move forward. Thank thank you. Thank thank you councillor jane Councillor roof then councillor hartnett and then I think we should be ready for a vote Thank you President right. All right, so a few things And I might go over my five minutes. We'll see Let me start by not addressing directly councillor tracy, but some of those comments as well because I'm less I'm less so frustrated with your response because I had those same reactions when I first started to engage In this idea. I really had those same those same concerns But but that's what they are their concerns and like I said in my my opening We really did work through those items as I said in One of the council work sessions or one of the board of finance meetings Those concerns for me is I've always been the rubric The standard the test that we'll use when this thing is finally baked Not just to the charter change process, but those post charter vote processes as well Which there are many that are built in intentionally To make sure that we can try to poke holes in this and if for some way we did They did sneak in somehow design authority Well, no, we're gonna cross that out if they did somehow sneak in extra policing authority. No, we're gonna make sure that's a test So quite genuinely. I'm not frustrated with your with with your reaction And I look forward genuinely in working tomorrow And maybe maybe wednesday at charter change to talk about each and every one of those and really dive in So there's that so I'd also like to respond You've got a lot of notes here On issues of process as well as respond to some concerns brought up in public comment and some other various comments From counselors while not belaboring it because I do hope that we have more time with this Throughout the coming weeks and months. So public process. Let me start there. So From my perspective, I think there has been a robust public process. I think that we've done a lot We've certainly gone through processes that have had less public process than this I think this has had a high level, but don't take my word for it. Let's look at Some of the some of the process here, I'm going to note if my computer dies, I'm going to ask for a timeout and then I'll jump back in So let's start here Initial presentation to the city council A while back on the topic of global trends. Thank you Global trends in the downtown Kicked off the process We had dozens of stakeholder focus groups Multiple surveys that have captured the opinion of well over a thousand community members Two town hall meetings and multiple council meetings and work sessions furthermore as of today The board of finance has met five times on the topic In the council may remember That as the mayor noted we we asked the board of finance to take the lead on this discussion So I just want to remind people that the the present the presented proposal tonight is Not put together Simply to meet the administration's priorities This has been much more of a collaborative approach and that's why we chose the board of finance because it does have By intentional design a balanced makeup Let's look forward a little bit If there's some if the council supports this tonight, and I hope that we do The council will meet me twice and then there are two public meetings that are required by law And as the city attorney mentioned we have the ability to make changes based on that feedback feedback Which is an important step Last on process we've talked a little bit more I want to I want to build them on a little bit here so people have a clear understanding Of what sort of public accountability measures we've put in place After the charter vote and by the public because we know we Much like with regional dispatch the council is uncomfortable moving forward with an entity that doesn't exist We want to make sure that we have more bites at the apple So what are some of these things we approve the inaugural governance Bylaws which establish how the board would function which is critical and then also We we approve what's called a management plan Called an mo u an agreement a contract we call it a management plan through this process Which would establish the functions and limits on the district and I'll probably bring this up again in talking about how I'm less scared about negotiations because the management plan really limits the purview of what they could be able to negotiate with us I'm trying not to take up too much time. Okay. So public comments. Let me start let me talk a little about public comments Let me start by saying That there was a comment early on that struck me someone said I forget who it was but They conditioned their comments by saying I'll remove emotion from from my from my comments I think maybe to make the case that if you're emotional your arguments aren't as legitimate So I just agree with that quite a bit actually I would argue that this discussion is and should be Emotional and I'm certainly emotional about it We're talking about our downtown and I would venture to say that we all at some level Have an emotional connection to this part of our community. So I say that's invite emotion into this but the trick As we're learning more so and more so in our world is to not let emotion and pure opinion Confuse facts of the matter And so while not losing our emotion here, let's let's look at a few more facts that I wanted to bring up And we can continue to talk about maybe in In board of finance because we don't want the concerns that council trace use and other And others have have brought up to manifest as reality. Those are two very different things Having concerns and fears. So there's one thing building a policy that prevents Those fears to manifest is really art of what we do here So, okay easy one to start off for the d.i.d. Will not increase police presence Nor would the ambassador program become some private security force So in fact, I see great potential in the district partnering with the Howard center street outreach team I like this partnership particularly because Again, these fears are legitimate and in other districts districts. They've got it wrong But when you partner with an institution, I would consider them an institution like Howard street street outreach You're going to build in those protections by way of how they do business, which we all I think support I've had early conversations with the street outreach team I sat down with them with a member of the team Last week and and they had some positive reactions to this but still concerned About what the details look like but some good news is that they've expressed interest in doing things like participating in trainings much like they do with our parks patrol of this ambassador program also participating in the development of their job description So that we have that check they know what engaging with these vulnerable vulnerable communities requires and making sure that those Job descriptions which we could ask to be part of the management plan so that we have oversight over them We can have we can have some assurances that it's not going in that in that direction that we all don't want it to go Furthermore on this point. I want to make this point Right now we have four members on street outreach And we know that funding is a significant issue We don't know how to grow that team back to its historical high of six and we know the need is real Street outreach estimates about $80,000 a year is required to fund each new additional team member that salary plus benefits Plus administrative fees And I look that I look at this improvement district born from not the general tax base, but just taxing Businesses additionally to be a funding partner and we can build that in to our government The management plan to hopefully start to grow that number from four up to It's historical high of six if not if not more quite frankly. I would not support The final version of this if there's not some real concrete Commitments around building that team. So even I may vote against this someday Okay, next one. I'm going to try to move quicker here. How many more council roof? We really do understand. I will ask for a little bit of leniency. I did practice restraint earlier But let me keep moving May I keep Continue but I we really do need to I mean there's a lot on the table and I do apologize I am trying to make some we do have another bite at the apple coming when the charter change committee comes back But okay, just try to move through these quickly. I'm excited about your optimism Um, so a couple more things may find out at some point while they're true. Yes All right, two quick things right we have built in protections around Effects potential effects on renters first and foremost simple one we were we eliminated the restrict we eliminated Fees to residential properties But more so we're going to make sure that only the the space within commercial buildings That goes to retail or some other commercial activity Not the space used for Rental units are going to be assessed Which means the landlords will not pass on those additional costs to renters because there will be No additional costs associated with that space I think that is critical in preventing some of these gentrifying impacts that people do have Fears of and when you get a d id wrong, you can have those impacts We have made steps that that will not be the case. I'm going to do this one super quickly Some of our most wealthy institutions in town operate and are organized as nonprofit entities The goal with including them is to capture that Them while giving a I think low barrier Hardship opportunity for others small other small and nonprofits To not be impacted by that I'll go on record now by saying this is a response to another public comment That I'll support nothing that would input that that requires the homeless shelter to be Pushing I'll be participating in this process. I'm going to stop there and Um, uh, we'll address all my other points at the charter change committee tomorrow. Thank you Thank you, councilor roof. Councilor heart net and then we should be ready to vote I think when we talk about public process It's it's hard for us sometimes to think that how it wasn't How wasn't not a good public process how it wasn't And because we're so close to it. So we think public process has always Done well and when we have something that's just been handed to us three days ago I don't know how we could say that public process is Is really played out well here And so I'm concerned about that Okay I'm concerned about The makeup of the board and how that's going to shape How we will be shaped I'm concerned If this does go forward How the negotiations would work Between the two and who would be part of those negotiations? I think that would be key of how that works and then Lastly but kind of just the overall You know dark cloud that is hanging over us all with town center Like I'm just it's I'm uncomfortable where we are downtown in a lot of different ways And so tonight if I had to vote on this I would I would vote no But I'm going to send it to charter But I think we have I think we have some work to do on this Uh, and so I'm I'm going to reluctantly send it to charter and look to See what comes from there. So thanks. Thank you council heart net We are ready for a vote. And so I would ask all those in favor to Of sending this charter change this to the charter change committee Please raise your hands And those opposed raise your hands So that passes by a vote of 10 to 2 And moves to the charter change my optimism was well founded Um, and now I need a motion. I'll recognize councilor Councilor trace councilor mason, excuse me Thank you. Uh, the hour is 10 30. So I just need to make a motion to suspend the rules Um, I would like to take up the next 5.04 And I think believe at that we will end our meeting Councilor mason has made the motion to suspend our rules And only to take up the next item and not to take up committee reports, etc So this requires a two-thirds vote all those in favor of the motion, but I need a second Second my councilor tracy All those in favor, please say aye Hi, any opposed? No That the motion passes by a vote of 11 to 1 Uh, and we will now move into what now will be our final item of the night And that is item 5.04 Uh, resolution reestablishment of the neighborhood planning assemblies Uh, etc. And I am recognizing councillor jang Councilor jang, you have the floor Thank you president and I would like to move the resolution calling for Um This community economic development office to work with our npa's to find out their financial resources Need and also to implement a mechanism in which those needs could be allocated And I would like to have the floor back council no doubt did you Do you have a point of just a quick point point of order? Um Can we just get a clarification of the version of the resolution that we're moving? Good point Councilor councillor is Cedo neighborhood planning assembly npa. Uh, it's a harness jang npa resolution docket with changes This is the one that was that was uh revised this afternoon. Yes, okay All right. And so councillor jang, you have moved the resolution Yes, and seconded by councillor heart net and councillor jang. You want to you wanted the floor back? Yes Yeah, thank you And I want to start by thanking all the city councillors who have been working diligently Especially this weekend To make up this resolution even better and I want to I think it has sparked so many conversations in the city And earlier we had another version and that version had so many Other asks and but many people could not wrap their hand around the lack of community Involvement of their inputs were not in But we all know that we all value the npa so much npas bring us together npas build the communities and npas also host us as elected officials to bring wonderful Feedbacks to the community and also gather feedbacks So the neighborhood planning assemblies were established more than 30 years ago To provide residents with the means to participate in direct Government and advise their government But the neighborhood planning assemblies also play an important part bringing the residents together, especially The college students or youth in order for them to Um interact with Burlingtonian as well as to complete their Community assignments. So the neighborhood assemblies also They do so much, but we know it's been now couple of years that they have been asking for funding and um, I think this resolution is having an open process Tasking the community economic development office to work with the neighborhood planning assemblies to basically Ask about what they need What they need in terms of financial resources? And also not only from the steering committee members, but also from neighborhood planning assemblies members What are your needs and also if we allocate the resources unit? What are the type of activities and programs you will be Creating or you will be using those resources too And at the same time CEDO Will be working also with the neighborhood around the administrative support around how those allocation could be, you know Could be worked on And you know, we hope that this will be a very Community oriented resolution asking everyone to put their input because the hardest part sometime when you want to support people Is to find out what they what they want and having an administrative administration Someone from this administration to do the work for all of us would be beneficial for the community economic development office For the nps steering committees and also for even us as city counselors So thank you so much, and I hope that you all work for this resolution for us to move forward Thank you. Thank you. Councillor jane. Councillor hartnett Thanks I will thank councillor dang. This actually started out as a one-page Resolution that was asking for funding for the nps. It's to me. It's more about the it's more than just about the funding That's about the purpose of the nps You know what they should be doing and and how can we better Help them and to enhance nps and right from You know block parties to getting young high school kids involved to just different activities I think we could we could do so much with I think over the years that I've been here on the council for the last eight years At least once every year. I've made it to all the nps I don't think I've missed but I'd have to go back and look but at least spend a one of them throughout And and there's kind of a theme there. We heard it tonight at public forum You know, they're they're desperately asking for for the cito in the city to get get involved I went to the last two all wards mpa meetings Both meetings that I attended I asked them to to get involved Help me form a resolution bring it to the council You know kind of, you know, just bring some clarity about You know, how they want to pursue how they want to proceed Here in brook and it's not about politics. It's about making a difference in our neighborhoods, right helping individuals out helping families out There's there's so much more that we could do with the nps and and when I think about the funding I think about when it first started years years ago it was triple or three times as much as what they have now and And and they made a major impact in those days and I I would like to get back to those days And and so I hope this is the start that you know We check all our egos at the door here tonight because I understand over the conversation this weekend I chose not to get involved quite honestly because I don't have the patience to to read some of those emails and and Here, you know counselors or people from the public You know, they can't get out of their own way that it's more about them than it is this process It's it's disappointing quite honestly So let's check all the egos out the door here And let's move forward on this and let's make a difference in in our neighborhoods Thank you councillor hartnett councillor shannon and then councillor mason Thank you president, right? I think councillor jang is exactly Right when he says that we all value our npas and unfortunately we all were not consulted as this Resolution came forward We heard that there was some resolution. We weren't shown this resolution in advance and the feedback I got from From I believe I'm the only one at the table who actually serves two npas and the feedback we got From both the ward six npa and the ward five npa was aghast at this resolution coming forward Um and while there were efforts to change the resolution today the resolution Uh, you know our npa Steering committee members work and our npas are not just our steering committee members They are those who show up and attend these meetings and that there's been no discussion with them about the proposal That's moving forward, which is a new proposal in just the last hours Um, this is an issue that is not time sensitive Uh, you know councillor tracy complained last week about information being presented to us at five o'clock When that issue had only come up just the week before and so it was very hard to get the information out on time This is not a time sensitive issue um The npas uh that are speaking to me, which is the the two of them um Are are not supportive of moving this forward and mostly not so much because of the current content Of what's being proposed But the process by which it got here offends them Oh, jeez, and I will not be supporting this uh This resolution because I think if we want to be talking about the npas we need to engage the npa npas Thank you councillor shannon councillor mason and then councillor ruf. Thank you president right so councillor shannon hears from some of the same people I do she's you know both ward five and ward six um, I will not be supporting this I did hear um throughout today Uh significant concern from the steering committee members in ward five about the process There was confusion about what it was we were voting on um, you know the late late late nature But the question you know that was posed by a few committee members was You know they again from a process perspective that you know, this was the council telling the npas what to do not vice versa I do appreciate that as revised the resolution does seek that input But what i'm hearing from the steering committee of my npa is that they do not support this and I will be respecting that and voting no Thank you Thank you councillor mason councillor ruf uh busher dean tracy So I uh, I'm not sure how I'll vote on this at the moment. Um, to be honest, I have not I did not have the the time to really engage with it or see a lot of the emails that have gone Back and forth. I wasn't able and that's that's more so because of of a work schedule and in other council work But um, I do know that uh, the ward one and eight and I'm not sure I don't believe they were Consulted throughout this process. Um, so I may vote. I may vote no, but just want to be clear that I think this is a I think this is the right thing to be talking about. Uh, I think that there's definitely a way for us to build Uh, a proposal that we can all feel good about I feel that mpa funding Should not maybe like councillor hartnett said doesn't need any of the bull Almost had a councillor hartnett moment. Um, you don't need any of that nonsense. Um, I think that there's a way to get collective support for this and if it does go down, I would be Happy to to work with the makers and others on putting either something that I think would be pretty easy to get unanimous Support with at a future meeting, but those are my comments. Thanks. Thank you councillor roof councillor busher Dean and tracy So, um, thank you president right. Um, so I read the original resolution and Although, um, I saw some flaws because I saw that Wards five and six don't meet together. You know, there there are a number of different things that we don't have good food I'm envious of those that have good food Um and wards one and eight Um, it still speaks to what I have said for the last I don't know how many years when marsy's come here and I've Mourned the loss of the little local funds that we had to allocate around specific neighborhood needs Um, I have not recently gone to the all Awards steering committee, but in the last couple of years few years ago. I did go And they were looking for additional funds And they also that that particular group of steering committee members and and they were all All of your wards were represented. We're mourning the loss of funds Mourning the loss of support from sido mourning the loss of having monies that they could allocate for specific Ward specific needs So for me the heart of this is all pure and good The process may need to be tweaked and improved a little bit But I don't think that you know, I don't think this speaks Against what all of the citizens in burlington really are looking for is to empower the npa's In a number of ways and this is one way to do that I would certainly respect a process that would send this to the all ward steering committee just for notification and then bring it back Hopefully so that we could vote on it. Um, I've seen the streamline version I'm disappointed that it doesn't give the $10,000 to each section because I know I've got neighbors who are just waiting to allocate But I would support this And I guess I'd respectfully ask the makers and the people who've put all that effort into this resolution To consider potentially sending it to the all ward steering committee and return it to the council for Adoption, thank you. Thank you councilor busher councilor dean and then councilor tracy Thank you president right. I I'd like to recognize Richard hilliard who's sitting in the audience tonight who Was awake early this morning when I was awake at about 5 30 And emailed me asking me what's going on. I don't understand What what's this all about? I'm getting nonsensical information coming back from the all wards And various things so I can't believe that this is before us Maybe I'm echoing councilor tracy's complaint that this showed up on friday It ended up in our you know being considered and then it was changed and it in nearly its entirety or the second portion of it disappeared this afternoon I feel as though it's not We haven't gone through a process that recognizes the the amazing contributions that the npa's make to the Um to the conversation and the debate about what's appropriate to our city. I think that It's well motivated. I I agree with that that we do need to provide adequate Funds to our npa's to do the work that they do to have these micro grants is a great idea I think the process is flawed I think that I you know might as I look at it now. I cannot support this And I would suggest that we we just back off a little bit take the time. That's necessary There's a good point made. This is not time sensitive We've had the opportunity to look at this Many months in the past. I think that we can do this also in the future We can get this addressed in the year ahead So I I I think I I I am coming down coming down the side and not being able to support this Thank you councilor dean councilor tracy I would just say that it doesn't seem to matter if it comes from the administration late Doesn't not a concern doesn't seem to matter never never answer a question Stuff's been coming to us late for years But no one's raised this concern then we make some concerns to make the resolution more more broad to water it down and suddenly Oh, it's the biggest deal in the world because we're we don't want to give councillor jang a win. Well, that's terrible That's embarrassing. Stay consistent on this stuff Second I would say that this is this is a you know this resolution I got to thank councillor jang for being Open to to making changes to the resolution because he heard back feedback on things Sometimes stuff comes out on a thursday in the public and you hear from the public based off of that That they have concerns with it like the good deed program Well, we heard from laura hail that she has an existing program that she didn't feel like would work with that So councillor jang was willing to to get rid of that and I think that that's speak That's how kind of democracy works. You have to hear from constituents We heard from many people who were involved in mpa's that said it's too specific We need a little bit more time to process and I think it's important to understand What exactly is in the resolution which says that we're going to Work with to quote it to work with neighborhood planning assembly steering committee members to identify financial resources that support the values The valuable services of the neighborhood planning assemblies in the city of burlington And then in the next resolve clause it says we're going to work with neighborhood planning assembly steering committee members and mpa members to gather examples of activities and programs in which the needed financial resources could be spent And for cito to identify the administrative support and management mechanism of the needed financial resources And we don't ask for these recommendations until may So How are you opposed to that? How are you opposed to going to the mpa's and saying do you need more money? What could you use that money for how much is that going to cost? I think that that's you know an open-ended conversation that we absolutely should be having in fact that we have had at our mpa Several months ago during the budget season and it was considered a little bit You know laid in the process and we said you know Let's continue this conversation because our mpa is at a point where we're bursting at the seams where we have You know where we're serving over well over a hundred people for the meal where we have more and more people attending We have more and more You know people who have not come before attending and engaging and we absolutely need this support I don't feel like we can really wait for this support We need to start the process of thinking about how we can better support the mpa's now Thank you councillor tracy before I recognize councillor hearton And I just want to I did not interrupt councillor tracy. We have violated a few rules tonight And we need to be careful about that, but I a rule was just violated about Imputing improper motivation for people's for people's votes how they're voting So I would just caution councillors to not go down that path councillor hearton Just a couple things I would say it is time sensitive if If you had visited all the mpa's throughout the city and see Really what I can what I see the decreasing Activity and and mpa's and really you know where they were and where they are now I do think it's time sensitive that that we act on this I I'm surprised that nobody else is here from The other mpa's that were so upset and concerned that they couldn't take a few minutes out of their night You know knowing this was on the agenda to be here tonight to speak out against it I will say That as I've said in the past I've met with the all wards mpa Every ward was represented except for ward five at the last one And everybody Was in agreement that it was time to do this on the all wards mpa, so for me There is no harm here And and for those who are saying You know they're surprised by this and the timing and I would say that you've been out of touch with your steering committees at your mpa's That's what I would say because that's not the message that they were given to me And I just met with them three months ago. I met with them a year ago. I met with them two years ago And so somewhere there's a disconnect here Right and I agree with councilor tracy. I think partially the disconnect here is where the resolution came from and that is unfortunate counselor Pine and then councilor jane. I was not ready. I thought I saw a hand go up before me so um the I have to give a little bit of history real quick I served on an mpa steering committee when I was just out of college because the ward one mpa was such an exciting place to go for a recent college graduate and councillor busher was a member but um the I think it's probably Safe to say that all of us Got involved through our neighborhood planning assemblies really most of us did and it's an avenue for people to to enter civic engagement that's really Um accessible and is non-threatening and I think it's it's a fairly easy way There's not a lot of barriers to entry, but it doesn't serve everyone either um it was once told to me by a constituent that she thought that the mpa was Basically not for her because she thought it was for College educated and middle-class people And I didn't think that was the case but that was that was her perception and I heard that and it has always Stuck in the back of my mind as a way to Open up the doors throw those doors open and bring more people in and I think we've never fully Realized that potential. It was a great idea in 1982 There's probably a dozen people who take credit for it in 1982 But it doesn't really matter who created it really what matters is that we have As richard hilliard said earlier if we didn't have it we'd be figuring out how to create it now and come up with a way to do that um Really what can councillor jang and heart net? I think put forward is a starting point just a discussion point to begin this process To engage the community in a way to support greater civic engagement. I don't see it as Stepping on people's toes or really I think it's unfortunate that people perceived it to be this great power grab and there was stuff all over facebook About how it's the end of a 35 year old institution and I mean just complete hyperbole complete conspiracy theories Were undertaken and it really did a disservice to this community. I would hope that we cannot Stoop to that level and just stick with what we're trying to do here is to create a venue for people to come together Identify mutual needs mutual problems help to solve problems Provide a real input to city councillors and to the administration Give the city a way to really engage with the public in a meaningful way. I think we all Share that goal. I hope we all just remember We've got six months for this process done full. This is not you know, we're starting it now We're not asking for a huge Undertaking but in six months. I think the community can accomplish quite a bit. I hope folks will support this Thank you councillor pie and councillor jang and then councillor paul and I think we should be moving toward A vote councillor jang councillor jang is passing councillor paul Okay, I wasn't quite expecting that um, thank you president right Um, so I wanted to just mention that um, I did send A number of emails back and forth. I'm starting on friday to the four Sponsors of the resolution and do want to thank councillor jang for his willingness to respond Not once or twice or three times, but many times to the questions that I had and You know, I I was surprised when Um, I I got an email from councillor jang Just a couple of minutes before a new resolution was posted And given the fact that it was around two o'clock in the afternoon and Uh, it was then going to be three hours later at a board of finance meeting. I didn't have time to really Respond to it. Um and I also You know, I feel as though the You know, what we've all said around this table is that one of the hallmarks of the npa's Is and one of the things that they fiercely value and and we fiercely value about them Is their independence and self determination and you know, I I know we've all gone back and forth at this table. I don't want to get into a Debate about timing On for all of us. We're all used to that kind of timing of things coming out at the last minute But I I'm not sure that the npa's are as Used to it And I feel like we could make this something that we could all be incredibly Enthusiastically supporting if we all had time to go back to our npa's and see if this is something that is more amenable Than the first one which I think councillor shannon has already mentioned in ward six. There was A lot of pushback to the original resolution And I'm grateful that you that you made changes I just don't know if there are changes that They can live with and I feel like we should be asking them first Since they're the ones that really are affected by it There were a couple of people that came and I appreciate that there were a few npa steering committee members that were here There wasn't one here from ward six Um, and I didn't have a chance to get in touch with them. Um, so uh, you know And it does represent a bit of a a shift We're now asking cito to do this work They probably are already doing some of this work in their outreach because of the public engagement specialist Having it referred to a public entity like cdnr I thought that actually was a a better approach But in any event I don't think that it's something I can support now if if it were to come back to the council At some future date After there has been an opportunity for the npas to fully respond to it I would be more enthusiastic in supporting it. So thank you Thank you councillor paul councillor no doubt. Um I would like to hear from the makers Uh, why this is going being tasked to cito instead of cdnr Instead of the committee I'd like to continue Thank you councillor nodell councillor jane. Would you like to address that? Yep, um, because already we have cito staff Already staffing all the npas. They go to them every single meeting not only in one ward but across the city and cdnr It is going to be actually the opposite instead of cd staff to go to npa now npas are coming to us and I think what Councilor paul was just talking about npas why they great it's because of their apolitical Notion and also their autonomy And I think in order to preserve that we have to let them drive the bus And letting them drive the bus is basically bringing a staff who can find them where they are and ask the real great question What are your needs? How are you going to use it and how we can work together and I think those are the reasons why Tasking a cito staff who can go To npa at meetings at night or organize meetings where they can come join would make the most sense But I think the questions to ask are if the reports Come from the cito staff. Where does it go? Does it go to cdnr To be refined or does it specifically go to the board of finance? Councillor nodel. I'll send you. Councillor nodel is all set Councillor Jang, did you also want the floor back to speak? I know you had your hand in Yes, yes, I wanted to speak to just a couple of comments that I heard here and I think one of them is The updated resolutions Most npa steering committee members actually like it including people who are in world five People who are in world six. They seen actually this resolution the original one We also have so many npa steering committee members who came over here in front of us Asking for the support Right supporting this because they feel this is an open process and people will have the time to be able to work together I wanted to clarify that and also when we talk about there is this distinction between taking a decision and opening a process Taking a decision hiding information to take a decision and also Having decision to take a process. I think those are very different and it's important to make the distinction This is calling to have an open process to better work with our nps Thank you president. Thank you councillor jane councillor dean Thank you president right I would like to offer a motion That would allow all of the city councillors an opportunity to go back and talk to their npas to gather input And then to return and pick this issue up again at our next council meeting Or after a time after the the city councillors Have had the opportunity to actually consult directly with their npas councillor dean you're making a motion to postpone action on this Resolution until our next meeting to allow the the the councillors an opportunity to speak directly with their npas So the motion is to postpone action correct Needs a second Second by council roof So we now have a motion on the table to postpone action Um point of order point of order councillor shannon a motion to postpone is to a time certain A motion to table puts it on the table until Uh, it's picked up by the council so I'd like to If I could amend my motion to say this is uh A motion to table this until such time As councillors that have that the opportunity to talk with their npa so not Necessarily at the next meeting but until councillors have had a chance to talk to their npa members and come back Okay, so the motion is to table this um Point of order I think is a motion to table debatable Uh council city attorney blackwood is this debatable a motion to table If you need a moment, it's interesting point of order. Hold on one at one at a time Councillor pine, what is your point? Hold it. Okay, please. All right, councillor pine. What is your point of order? That I did consult reverence rules. Um, we can certainly give the city attorney time to do it One thing I did determine is that a tabling requires two-thirds council majority. That's one rule that we should be aware of I have that Okay Point of order man point of order councillor nodel. Thank you president right Um, I believe councillor deans is the motion to postpone That somehow got morphed into a motion to table and I believe there is a an ability to postpone indefinitely Or I don't believe that that you can postpone until You know after some action is taken and then take it back up without providing a specific date So I don't think we should be treating this as a motion to table because I didn't hear him Make that motion It did actually sound like a motion to postpone to me He hasn't he has now put it out as a motion to table So there is um There is a motion to postpone indefinitely So yes, it could be made as a motion to postpone indefinitely There is also a motion to postpone to a definite time. Those are two a different one um And is there a difference in a requirement for two-thirds between tabling and postponing that i'm trying to find I don't need different counselors jumping in with this. Sorry. I apologize City attorney blackwood. Do you know if the motion to table is debatable? Well right now he said table Can we have a discussion while we're waiting or uh, no, no, okay Just I get some cheap shots in We don't need anymore. Okay. Okay point of information Point of information councillor dean So my intent here Is that this motion allows the opportunity For all of us to go back and speak with our npa's directly and gather information Whether it's a motion to postpone or a motion to table That that's a technicality, but I want to get to that point That's what I want my motion to say So if I can get the help of the city attorney to make that happen or my colleagues here, that's my intent There is a there is a difference. So Would you do you want to make this as a postpone action to postpone indefinitely? You want to make it a postpone to the next meeting? I want to make it a postpone until such time As all city councillors have had the opportunity to go before their npa's to discuss the issue and gather information So a specific action item that happens So that does not put a particular time you're saying such time as which could mean any time Chancellor mason point of order point of yes I believe what he's asking is if we knew like I know my npa meets this thursday So fine I can go until next meeting, but I don't know everyone else's npa I believe what he's asking is whatever that date is a week out two weeks out three weeks out It would be a motion to postpone to the that date certain which is that meeting that follows the last npa meeting Councillor paul thank you, um I just wanted to add the board said ward six does not meet in Ward six meets at the beginning of the month and does not meet in january Because it tends to be the day or two after new years So the next npa meeting in ward six is not until february Okay, so we have a we have a motion on the table to postpone action on this Until people have had a chance to talk to their npa's City attorney blackwood. Do you have anything for us yet? I can tell you that the motion to postpone is debatable and it And it appears to me that There are numerous Citations in here indicating that while they are two different motions they Can equally apply in this situation. I think either Motion can be made it does appear that the motion to table is not debatable and does require two-thirds So we have a motion to postpone so it is debatable. So and and that does or does not require two-thirds That does not appear to require does not require two-thirds Okay, so let's open up the debate on Specifically, we're talking about whether you support the motion to postpone. So let's keep the comments to that specifically Councillor busher and then council heart now So I would be supportive of this however I would have preferred to have it be To send this to the all wards and steering committee because that I think would get The job done in a more complete manner And so I'm I think that Councillor pine mentioned Or someone else mentioned that there was some sensitivity Because we're talking about needs for the npa's and funding And so I would hate to see they may deadline slip away and with each month We get further We we don't address the issues that we know we have that our npa's face. So At this juncture, I don't want to just have this Go on till march or april. I think that's unnecessary. So i'm not going to be supporting the motion Thank you. Councillor busher. Councillor heart and then council roof. Um, I don't support the motion I was just here sitting here thinking that it's like coaching my little league team Right where the where the kids are great and the parents are the ones that are the problem And I think this is the problem here like the mpa's are great and the councilors are the problem and they can't get out of their own way And they can't put their eagles aside And it's it's unbelievable to me when I look around this table and see the years That are here that you don't have a good enough relationship with your mpa's or you haven't discussed That funding is an issue with them. I find that hard to believe That participation is down, right? We need to Put energy into these mpa's. I mean, I've seen them all I've been to them all I mean, this is just simply You know at first it was oh, we can't step on Laura hails toes, right? We're offending her I saw those twitters and emails and all of a sudden, you know, and now then it was funding Like, you know the budget process and I mean It might as well just go for sort of three in a row here and come up with something else at this point To find our excuse to table this or to delay it or to vote it down I mean, I'd rather have you just be honest with us And just say look we want to come from our side of the table over there and and it was I Our dear first and I mean, I just it's beyond me that we're sitting here at 10 after 11 Discussing whether we want to make a difference in our mpa's. It really is it's baffling to me So I don't support the motion Thank you. Councillor Hartnett. Councillor roof. I agree people in home must be going what the hell is going on Um, and I you know, I don't know if the intent, you know, we we're getting into intent a few years a few times here Uh, councillor dean. I think the intent here is looking at the situation going holy shit We can't sorry what we we can't let let's yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yep. I retract that Oh my goodness, I apologize. Oh my goodness, you know The intent is clear here. We want to support our mpa's and now we're talking about sides of tables. It's it's a lot going on Um, I'll support the motion getting more feedback from mpa should be a relatively simple Simple thing, uh, you know, we're getting very elevated here. Maybe it's the hour, but uh, I don't think we need to get in into this Either way that's that maybe that I'm not going to ask to call the question But let's act here. I think the I don't think that there was any malicious intent On this motion. We're just trying to find a way through here. Um, that's all my goodness Thank you council roof Call the question the quite motion to call the question has been made. This requires a two-thirds vote Uh, all those in favor of calling the question I know I believe too. I believe it's two-thirds to call the question. It's two-thirds Yeah, call the question has been called All those in favor of calling the question, please raise your hands The question has been called And we will now have the vote, uh, and please raise your hands if you support the motion to postpone action Until as councillor dean suggested until councillors have had a chance to talk to their npa's all those in favor of that motion Please raise your hands Vote is six all those opposed Six to six that motion fails. We are back to the Regular motion the the motion that's on the table with the resolution Um, do we need further discussion call the question? Councillor hartnett, I had my hand up before the the the motion to call the question was yelled. So Councillor dean, thank you I you know, I I just like to respond to Certain city councillors who say that this is somehow Have indicted effort to somehow take this the credit for this initiative away from them That's not what this is I think that this offers every opportunity for the councillors who've led this this initiative to move forward To come to us with something that's really thought through and something that we can all support We have no desire to take, you know, I personally I do wanted to check in with my npa, but I have no These counter jeng and and and councillor hartnett deserve the credit for picking this up They should lead it. I just want to see a more thoughtful and and Informed process bring it to us with better language. That's that that's really thought through It's a great. It's a great motivation. Let's get it right Thank you. Thank you councillor dean councillor jeng All right, and then I hope that we are ready to vote councillor jeng Goal to question. I think you're calling the question. Yes councillor jeng is calling the question So again, two-thirds vote all those in favor call in question. Please raise your hands Any opposed that passes unanimously the question is called Please raise your hands if you support the resolution now those that opposed The resolution fails by a vote of six to six Motion to adjourn moved by council roof seconded by Councilor shannon all those in favor of adjourning, please say aye. All right, as opposed we are adjourned. Thank you


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