Many, thank you everyone. We are ready to roll back on video. Sorry video viewers that we didn't have video the last couple of days, but a big thanks to Sean for putting the audio in the video feed. It's like peanut butter and chocolate. Peanut butter jelly time. It was like audio video time. Peanut butter jelly time. I mean, I guess I could have recorded video from upstairs in my father-in-law's apartment. Good. Peanut butter jelly. Yeah, why didn't you, Tom?  Yeah, we're gonna podcast in Hawaii, Tom. Are we? Maybe. It seems like a very unverotic thing to say. Maybe. Maybe we will. Depending on the wifi. I wanna test my Gotenas in Hawaii. Okay, I don't know what that is. Do you know what Gotena is? Nope. It lets you communicate, let your phone send text messages and share locations without having to have internet over like a two and a half mile range. Interesting. Yeah, interesting. All right, folks, shall we do this show? Do a show. All right, let's do it. My fellow citizens of the internet, there is nothing to fear but fear itself. So go show fear, you mean business. Go to dailytechnewshow.com slash support and show them you're not interested in fear. You're interested in the future. This is the Daily Tech News for Monday, November 30th, 2015. I'm Tom Merritt, joining me today, as she does most Mondays. Ms. Veronica Belmont, DTNS contributor and host of Dear Veronica on Engadget. Happy Monday, Veronica. Happy Monday, Tom. Did you have an excellent Thanksgiving? I did, I did. I had an excellent Thanksgiving and you? I did as well, yes. I hosted Thanksgiving and it was very successful and I think everyone came away a little fuller and a little better. Wow, you improved people. Better people. I bet that makes Patrick Beja from France wish that he had Thanksgiving in France. So many things we wish we had that you guys do and we don't. Thanksgiving is but one. Happy Monday, Veronica is another one but I'm also incredibly thankful to you, Tom, to Veronica and to the scheduling authorities of the Daily Tech News Show for letting me be part of that special post Thanksgiving Happy Monday. Monday, welcome to you. Patrick is here, of course, because he's normally on Tuesdays but tomorrow he will be washing his scarf. I don't, I mean, he's got some. Free show callback. He's got something really important and really boring going on tomorrow and he can't do the show. So Veronica was nice enough to let him play with us here on Monday and Patrick also wrote a post about Mac gaming that we're gonna use as our discussion story today. So that should be interesting. Saved me the research, didn't have to look anything up today. So that was awesome. There you go. Hence the reason we were willing to let Patrick be on the show. Easy Veronica wins every time. I know how it works now. I can work my way around the Daily Tech News Show anytime. Absolutely. All right, let's start off with some headlines. As Motang submitted on our subreddit, dailytechnewshow.reddit.com, Blackberry confirmed it will exit the Pakistani market as of today, November 30th in a blog post, COO Marty Beard wrote that Pakistan demanded, quote, open access to monitor a significant swath of our customers' communications. And the Pakistan telecommunications authority said back in July it would shut down the encrypted Blackberry Enterprise Service Network by December 1st for security reasons if things didn't change. So it looks like things aren't gonna change. Blackberry gave India access to Blackberry internet services and Blackberry messaging a couple of years ago, but not Blackberry Enterprise Service, which is what Pakistan allegedly, according to Blackberry, wanted access to. So a little bit of a different situation. Blackberry Enterprise Services, of course, involves encrypted business communications, which RIM and now Blackberry have always been extra defensive of. This really speaks to all the discussions that we've been having recently about security versus privacy and the unwillingness to give up privacy matters in the face of growing security concerns. And I think this is happening across the world at this point. And I understand businesses not wanting to give up that information and to open access, but at the same time there's a strong argument sometimes for security measures, but I tend to land on the side of privacy personally. Yeah, we discussed this last week at length and I stand by what we said then. I would just wonder openly if that climate has encouraged Blackberry to say no this time when they, and you pointed out it was a different request from Pakistan that it was from India a couple of years ago, but maybe they were encouraged to say no because of the current climate. It might have stiffened their resolve. Do you think it looks better for companies to err on the privacy side of consumers or do you think consumers are more willing to open up their access to their information for security reasons? That's a hard one to say. I definitely have heard from both sides of that argument. I tend to believe that people would rather the government didn't spy on them. That does seem to be the prevailing attitude, but. I think without judging or deciding what the customers want, there's certainly a trend in the tech industry to protect the consumer at this point by protecting their privacy. So it would look weird if Blackberry was the only one saying, oh, it's fine, you can have it all, no problem. VTech has shut down its learning lodge app, its learning lodge app store and several websites. The Chinese toy maker discovered an unauthorized party accessed a customer database on November 14th. The database contained name, email address, password, IP address, mailing address and download history for more than five million accounts. And children's names associated with a lot of those accounts which I think gives this story a little extra punch for some people. As usual, no credit card information, right? The credit card information was stored in a separate database which leads to the obvious late night talk show host joke, why don't they store everything with the credit card information then? Yes, because that's also a great idea. Microsoft released Skype for Business Voice and meeting capabilities for Office 365 today. The features which have been in preview include Skype meeting broadcast which can handle up to 10,000 attendees, PSTN conferencing that integrates landlines and mobile phones and cloud BPX which replaces traditional BPX functions. The features come with Office 365's new E5 level for Enterprise which is $35 to user and also includes new analytics and storage capabilities. So get rid of that PBX in the basement. Now you can use Skype. Off it out.  Well, here we go. Yeah, this is taking over from Link if you're familiar with that in the enterprise. They've moved that to Skype and integrated some of the Skype functions into that but Skype for Business is essentially what Microsoft's Enterprise voice calling service called Link had been but it's now adding more and more capabilities all the time. Microsoft is doing lots of things to encourage app creation like Windows App Studio and now something called Power Apps which is out in limited preview. Service lets business users develop custom native mobile and web apps that can be shared within an organization, runs on Azure, connects with Office 365 data and can access data through third party APIs as well. The free tier allows you to access two cloud data sources. The standard paid version will allow unlimited cloud data sources and then there's an enterprise version that also adds on-premises data sources like SQL and Dynamics. Limited preview now but it's the idea of saying, hey, we don't need to have expert coders work on everything we wanna do. Let's make some tools that make it easier for folks to throw some apps together on the enterprise. A lot of enterprise news today. Well, that trend ends now because Sonos lovers are gonna be happy. Sonos announced it will add support for Apple Music in beta starting December 15th. Apple's Beats Music worked with Sonos speakers but Apple closed that service today, November 30th. So a mere two weeks to wait until you Apple Music lovers can finally use your Sonos, not headphones, but speakers with Apple Music again. Now, Apple's making sure to make this announcement on the day they're closing Beats because so many people use Sonos speakers. But don't you guys think that this shows a weakness in Sonos that they have to provide access through their app that it's not easier for Apple to just cast their music to Sonos speakers? Well, I mean, Sonos aren't, the one I have at least isn't AirPlay compatible. So that it has to work through the Sonos system in order to work. And that was one of the big downsides to Apple Music when I first signed up back when it launched is that I'm a big Sonos user and have been for years. And that was a bummer that I couldn't use it through that integration. So I went back to Spotify and actually the Spotify integrations that they launched in the early fall have been fantastic now. So I'm very happy. I'm a very happy Spotify user at this point because it's working happily with my Sonos as well. So to me, this doesn't really make too much of a difference. Those Beats users are probably going to be kind of bummed out that they have to wait a couple of weeks before they can start using their stuff again. So I'm kind of surprised that there's a big gap there. That seems strange to me that they would end access to one and not launch the other for several weeks. I'm just making a plea for an open standard here. If we had DLNA everywhere on everything, then you wouldn't have to wait. You wouldn't have to have companies give you approval to use the devices you pay for. Be nice. Yes, but if Beats could fly, Tom, then the world would be upside down. Just saying. There should be an open standard for Beats aviation. It wouldn't be Apple, would they? Mark Zuckerberg and Priscilla Chan announced that they are summoning Captain Planet. I mean launching the Breakthrough Energy Coalition along with Bill Gates to invest in zero carbon energy technologies. Other members include Richard Branson, Jeff Bezos, Jack Ma, and Masayoshi Sun. The goal is to cover gaps in government funding by commercializing ideas from public research institutions. Gates and the US President, Gates and US President Barack Obama, the US President Barack Obama, also have a new initiative to double public investment in energy research over the next five years called Mission Innovation with 19 countries already signed up. This is awesome. Please work on desalinization. I know it's not energy, but we could use some of that. Thanks, California. Say the Californians who live near oceans. We'd like to use that water. Thanks. Can we work on that? Please, thanks. Yeah, and obviously these announcements coming because of the climate conference that's happening in your town right now, Patrick. Yep, absolutely. And what I really liked was that they're basically their first quote to clarify things about this new incredible initiative was, this is really as much about clean energy as it is about making a profit. So just to dispel any conspiracy theory that you might have that is, I don't think it is. I think it says it's important to have clean energy and we think it is viable enough that we can make money out of it. I really don't think it's a bad thing. I think it means that it is, it's here. Basically it's arrived. It is a business opportunity and the brightest minds on our planet, well, the brightest business minds on our planet are getting interested in this to make money. So it might be interesting for other people to further research and put money into it because it is going to be, to not be just a research and money losing proposition is going to work out from a business perspective as well. So I choose to look at it in a positive light. Positive and also sensible. I like the fact that it gives conspiracy theorists on both sides of the issue, something to point at. Distribution. Yeah. TechCrunch reports see the theorists equal. It's just a profit making move. It's not going to help the climate at all or it's another way to fool us into climate change by saying it's going to make profit when it's all a hoax. There you go. There's your other side to both sides. Basis covered. TechCrunch reports that combine online sales over Thanksgiving and Black Friday in the US was up over previous years reaching $4.45 billion according to figures from Adobe. Adobe tracks the sales. They're not just talking about sales of Adobe products. Yeah. They're not just talking about sales of Photoshop. They're tracking online sales. Now. Photoshop had a great year. Yes, exactly. It's not just Photoshop sales. The retail sales were down. People didn't go to stores as much but they did shop online more. IBM's benchmark survey shows online Thanksgiving sales were up 26% and Black Friday sales up 14.5% compared to last year. Other tidbits include 40% of Thanksgiving and 35.3% of Black Friday purchases were made on mobile devices with smartphones accounting for 46% of the shopping traffic and smartphones were the leading item purchased too. So people were buying smartphones on their smartphones. Smartphones were 23.9% of purchases. Tablets coming in at 16.1%.  Numbers, numbers, numbers, smart phone, smart phone, smart phone. Did we get anywhere close to a single stay? It sounds like probably no. Not even. Not even a little bit close. Yeah. Just, it wasn't going to happen. Teen Ninja 3000 sent us the news that Amazon has a new advertisement for Prime Air featuring former top gear and future Amazon car show host, Jeremy Clarkson, showing off Amazon's new phone design. No, new drone design. They gave up on that. They're done. The drone in the video has horizontal and vertical propellers and is claimed to be able to travel 15 miles from its home base. So you'll be able to order a phone from Amazon and have it delivered by drone. Ah. Smart phone, smart phone, drone, smart phone. Smart drone. Smart drone, smart phone, drone. I'm very glad for that story because I watched the ad and having never watched top gear, I was wondering who that funny British sounding man was. And he was funny, but it was very strange to see him in an Amazon commercial. So that part about him like being rational and not losing your temper was totally lost on you at that point. Completely. It was kind of weird. Have you ever seen top gear? I don't like cars. Well, no, okay. I mean, we don't really want top gear on cars. I mean, that's like, I like cars, but I'm not like a car nut, but I still love top gear because they were so funny. I don't, yeah, I also don't have like a proper TV. So I don't get it on, I guess I do now. It's all Netflix. Okay, I'll check it out. Okay. Nigerian retail chain, Udalla, beat Amazon to the punch though, delivering the first of its Black Friday purchases by drone, Yatunde Lawel ordered a Nokia Lumia smartphone, smartphone, which was dispatched by drone to the bank where she worked. According to Biztech Africa, a Udalla employee had to meet the drone and process the invoice before handing the phone over. So they still have that step to take care of it. I was about to say that Amazon was winning the propaganda war for drones. Like we haven't actually seen Amazon use a drone to deliver anything, but wow, well done Udalla of Nigeria saying, well, propaganda war for drones will actually deliver something by drone even if it has to have an employee on the other hand to grab it and give it to the person. That's pretty interesting. Yeah, I mean, the whole point of the drone is that you don't need the person to be there, but yeah, no, it is definitely, I mean, go Nigeria. Yeah, good PR move anyway. Folks, submit your stories to us. Let us know what you wanna hear us talk about. DailyTechNewShow.Reddit.com is more than 5,000 people in there and you should be one of them. More voices we hear, the better the show gets. DailyTechNewShow.Reddit.com and that is a look at the headlines. So I was just randomly because he emailed me the link looking at patrickbeijed.com this week. Don't check it out every day. Patrick wrote an interesting article on the state of Mac gaming. Now gaming on Apple has been rising in popularity. Steam came to OS X. OS X started their app store, which has some games in it. They switched to Intel, which made game designing easier. Bootcamp has long been a solution for some Apple games. However, recently Blizzard announced that they would not be making their new game Overwatch for OS X, which is unusual. They almost always make their games available for PC and Mac. Patrick, that's the event that seems to have started you thinking. Why has Blizzard backed away from OS X, do you think? Yeah, exactly. It was a very surprising announcement and full disclosure. Tom's wife works at YouTube and I used to work at Blizzard. But basically they have been the one publisher that always publishes their games on both the PC and the Mac at the same time. And I think it's safe to say that for the past 15 to 20 years, all of the games have been coming to both platforms. So the fact that their latest game would not was very surprising. I started, you know, it's very easy for PC apologists to lighten the beacon of the war between PC and Mac and go like, oh, but the Mac is not a real gaming machine and it's real gamers use PCs. And I think that's just silly. Obviously the Mac is not the preferred gaming machine but it's always been, in recent years, it had become more and more gaming capable. So yes, that is the reason why I figured I would look into it and try to find out why Blizzard made that decision. The reason that Jeff Kaplan, the game director, gave was that a kind of a PR toky statement saying the technology behind the Macs and the way Overwatch runs just makes it too challenging. So basically when I started looking into this, I'm gonna get to the crux of the issue, the Mac has for a long time been using discrete mobile GPUs, graphical chips, right? And those were not super powerful but they were okay to run most games at an, you know, okay-ish subpar average detail level. However, what's been happening in the past few years is that Intel has been making their integrated GPUs super awesome. And by super awesome, I mean super awesome for an integrated GPU, which is still relatively low performance for an average GPU. And Apple has started integrating those integrated GPUs into all of their machines. Now, those GPUs are integrated into the CPU, so it makes for a smaller footprint on the motherboard, it's easier to design, it has a lot of advantages and it's good enough for a huge amount of the tasks that you wanna achieve. However, for demanding games, a lot of games can run on those devices but for more demanding games and games where performance is more important, such as Overwatch, which is a competitive FPS, first-person shooter, it starts to show its limits. To be honest, it shows its limits on many different games but especially on this one. And the problem is what we didn't realize until now, I think as Mac gamers, I play on both my PC and my Mac, is that those integrated GPUs have been slowly creeping into the entire Mac line. Basically, it used to be that you had some discreet mobile GPUs and some integrated GPUs on the lower end. Nowadays, they are everywhere. It's an invasion, it's like a disease. And they're not only on laptops, which could be expected, but the reality is that they are also on the majority of the desktops. Most of the, I mean, all of the 21-inch Macbooks I'm sorry, 21-inch iMacs are integrated GPUs only. They don't even have the mobile discreet GPUs that could be considered average. The 27-inch iMacs do have mobile GPUs but they're basically safe for the Mac Pro, the most powerful machines that Apple sells. So it becomes a real hardware problem. I'm not even talking about the software problems that have always been there but it becomes a real hardware problem if a huge amount, the majority of the platform that you're developing for can only rely on very sub-par integrated GPU. And I think that's why Blizzard came to that decision. Yeah, so I mean, it sounds to me like you kind of put off Jeff Kaplan in the beginning saying that it was kind of PR speak, but at the same time, I think Blizzard has a duty to its customers to create the best content possible. And if they can't do that for the Mac users, should they have to put out a sub-par version of the game in order to make that segment happy? Well, certainly not. I mean, I was saying PR speak because he didn't explain exactly what that technical issue was. But I think, yeah, basically after having looked at the state of the Mac lineup, I think he's completely justified in saying this. The fact is that that specific game and most AAA expensive end of year blockbuster games, I really don't think they're going to be able to run on most Macs being sold today. And that's a problem for gaming. Well, that's where this becomes an interesting issue because you could say, well, Mac sales are slowing anyway. All PCs sales are slowing. And in fact, even though Mac sales fell 3.4% year over year in Q3, according to the IDC, they gained market share because they're slowing less rapidly than the Windows PCs are slowing. They gained, they went from number five to number four PC maker worldwide. So that's probably not it. I was thinking, well, they decided to go console. They want to develop for Xbox One and PS4. But Patrick, in your article, you rightly point out, Blizzard has enough resources that if they thought they could make a return, they could throw the resources at a Mac version if they wanted to, they just didn't want to. Here's my question though. Okay, we've explained why Overwatch isn't coming to OS 10 maybe. Is that a unique situation though? You have Metal, you have Mac developing on OpenGL. I found a quote from Ethan Lee, who's a developer on the monogame framework for porting XNA games to Mac and Linux, who said that sometimes he sees performance increases when he ports over. So something as complex as Overwatch may not be able to run on these integrated graphics yet, but maybe that's just for the time being sort of thing. And maybe plenty of good games will be able to run, especially when you have Steam and Unity. You can develop on Unity and have it port to OS 10 easily. Do you think that it's just a temporary dip, Patrick? Or do you think that no, this is just a way that Apple's going with their hardware that's gonna make it more and more difficult for hardcore games, maybe not casual games? I would love for it to be a temporary dip. I really don't think it is going to be though. It doesn't mean that there are gonna be no games on the Mac. There have always been some less performance-demanding games on the platform, and they will continue to be there. There's no reason why they wouldn't, because those integrated GPUs can run them, kind of, okay-ish, but there's a lot of people that are kind of, I wanna say, almost in disbelief as Mac gamers, I know that can sound like an oxymoron, but in the past four or five years, there was a visible uptake in that population. I really think with Steam and other initiatives, it had become, it seemed like it could become something more serious. However, what I keep telling people that are super hopeful, saying, oh, but Metal is coming and OpenGL is getting fixed and you have Bootcamp that allows you to run Windows on your Mac. The problem is, you can dress up a monkey all you want. It's not going to be a movie star, unless that movie is about dressed up monkeys.  I don't know his fighting words. Actually, what I'm calling a monkey is the integrated GPUs. The problem is, the power output, the 3D rendering, the game performance that they can output is just not good enough. It is integrated GPUs on my very unscientific scale of empirical estimation. Let's say for the sake of argument that a regular graphics card that is external from your motherboard has a performance on a scale of 10 that goes from four or five to 10. A discrete mobile graphics GPU will have three to four, something like that. You can probably run your game on a low to mid settings, okay. But an integrated GPU with all the performance increases that Intel managed to squeeze out of those chips went from maybe a one to maybe a two. And numbers don't lie. So the problem is, it's true that software is incredibly important for 3D performance, but it's not the only thing. And if the base material you have is not able to perform better than this, then it's a problem. And the problem is, you can expect that kind of performance on laptops. It's, you know, laptops are known to be less powerful in most cases, but think of this. The same CPU and GPU couple that power your 13 inch laptop from Apple is going to be powering a lot of the desktop computers that they sell. You can't build a game on a platform where a majority or a lot of the desktops perform just as well, quote unquote, as your laptops. It's, it's, I don't see it. It's just not going to be the kind of game like Overwatch, right? It's going to be a different kind of game. Is there, like you said, games aren't, they're not going to go away on OS 10. It's the sophisticated games that may have an issue with that. And as Shane in the chat room points out, maybe that doesn't matter. Maybe that doesn't really impact Apple's bottom line much. And so it's not a problem for them, only for those of us who really wish we could use one machine for both the OS 10 type stuff as well as some gaming. Yeah, it may not be enough of us to make a difference. It's definitely, you have to keep in mind that Apple tries to make a product that will be good enough for enough people. And the Mac gamer population is definitely, I mean, it's small. It's mostly Blizzard gamers, I would think. The people who are actually attached to gamers, to games on their Mac, I suspect would probably be mostly people who play Blizzard games. The other people who play games, play the games that are there just because they're there. And I think that the thing that's a little bit sad in all of this is there was, as we were saying from 2000 roughly, a hope for the Mac as a gaming platform. And really, the only thing we need, and maybe it's gonna happen, would be for Apple to offer an option of discreet mobile GPUs on their various devices because those can run kind of on par. But I don't think it's financially interesting for them to do that. So I don't see it changing. Would Veronica, do you play a lot of OS 10 games? I don't, no. I mean, I've had, I have a gaming PC and I do have Steam installed on my OS 10 machine. I had World of Warcraft installed on there previously and Hearthstone and a couple other games, but it was just, it was taking up, they were taking up too much space. They run better on my gaming PC. I don't desperately need to have them on the go as much as I initially thought I did. So yeah, I've pretty much deleted every game from my MacBook Pro at this point and used my gaming PC pretty exclusively for games. All right, well, let's get to our pick of the day. Dixon picks this one. He's guessing that most of the DTNS audience would like a documentary on Nikola Tesla and there is one that he backed on Kickstarter or maybe Indiegogo actually. Indiegogo titled Tower to the People. According to the producers, the download in Blu-ray was supposed to be available for sale this or next week and it looks like it's up for sale right now at tesladream.com. Dixon says I was one of the original supporters on Indiegogo and received the Blu-ray and I can say it's high production value. My endorsement may not be worth anything but we got the oatmeal on board and it looks like an interesting doc. So if you wanna check it out, tesladream.com will have that link in the show notes as well. I am curious about his judgment of high production value based on the website. Well, he said high production value of video. I know, I'm just questioning his judgment of high production value. That's all I'm saying. I'm just saying. Okay, it's not your style. I get it, it's fine. The website, no, I'm sure the documentary's great. The website is not good. Look, we're just taking Dixon's word for it. Listen, I'm just saying. Go check it out, folks, take a look. Send your picks to us, feedback at dailytechnewshow.com. You can find my picks at dailytechnewshow.com slash picks and revisiting the Amazon Prime drone real quickly before we wrap up. On October 9th, regarding the idea of having pancakes delivered by drone from Amazon, Yavin05, the Latin tech blogger, wrote, what if I have a bullseye that the drone can see and drop the package there? It can be a piece of paper where you print a large QR code that you can place on any flat place and the drone will see it and gently drop the package on top of it. You can put it in your backyard on a table really anywhere.  Package was not pancakes, it was a shoe, but in any case, no word on whether Yavin05 will be playing the lottery, but his predictive powers seem to be pretty impressive. What should we have? What should we have Yavin05 predict next? The number is to the next lottery. Will I get my Christmas cards out on time? Yavin05, please write in, feedback in dailytechnewshow.com and let us know the lottery numbers for France and whether Veronica will get her Christmas cards out on time. These are important issues. Thank you, Yanov. And, gracias, Yanov. I'll see you, Patrick. And that's it. Thank you, Patrick Beja, for writing that amazing article and sharing your findings with us and providing a great discussion today as always. It was a sad discussion because I love games and I love my Mac, but yes, unfortunately. But yeah, if you wanna read the article, you can go to patrickbeja.com. If you wanna listen to more podcasts, I have a couple of you, a couple for you. Today, the Phileas Club is the first one. We recorded one a couple of days ago and we discussed the Paris attacks with someone from Saudi Arabia, someone from Iran and someone from Hong Kong. And it was a good time all around. Yes, we managed to have a good time discussing that even. And the next one is Pixels, a show about video games and video game news. And we recorded that one with Garrett Wendrill, host of the Angry Chicken just today. And so both of those are available on Frenchspin.com. You can go check them out. Did the Phileas Club just download today? Just post today? I don't see it. No, it was posted on Saturday. It didn't show up for me, so I'm going to make sure that I'm properly subscribed because that is an amazing, I love the Phileas Club, I always have, but that is an amazing topic and an amazing group of people to talk about it. Don't forget folks, Patrick is in Paris, France, and he was hosting that show. So yeah, somehow my subscription was, did I download it? That is strange. Yeah, download it again now. Thank you. Thank you Veronica Belmont as well for sharing your day with Patrick. That was very generous. Anytime, anytime. I did very little talking, so really it was fine. Well, do more. Do more talking now. Yeah, so we've got some Sword and Laser news coming up tomorrow, so stay tuned to that. Swordandlaser.com will have an interesting announcement tomorrow. Tom and I are also part of an AMA over on reddit.com today for the World Builders Charity. There's a bunch of awesome great fantasy authors over there answering questions about world building and writing books. And Tom and I are in there for some reason talking about things that we know answers to. Talking about interviewing the authors that are talking about writing books. Exactly. But it's all for a good cause. There's tons of great stuff up on the World Builders eBay site that all go to charity, helping Heifer International and World Builders help make people's holiday season a little brighter for those in need. So yeah, check that out. We'll put a link somewhere, I guess, in the show notes. Yeah, I'll put it in there right now. That's the beauty of using Google Docs as your show notes. Let's do that. Do that. And new episodes of Dear Veronica every Wednesday over at engadget.com slash deer dash Veronica. There you go. Folks, it's the holidays. And we understand more now than ever that you've got to figure out how to get presents for all the people on your list. Do some traveling, all of that stuff. And we extra, extra appreciate your support of this show. So thank you to everyone who makes the show possible. If you can make the show possible and you've got an extra dollar sitting in there, dailytechnewshow.com slash support is the place to go. 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Catch the show live Monday through Friday, 4.30 p.m. Eastern on alphageekradio.com and diamondclub.tv and visit our website at dailytechnewshow.com. Fill it in for Patrick. Tomorrow will be Allison Sheridan. Talk to you then. This show is part of the Frog Pants Network. Get more at frogpants.com. Diamond Club hopes you have enjoyed this program. Boom. Good show, you guys. Thank you. Boom. Thanks. I feel I spoke a little bit too much during the Mac thing, but you kind of had to, though. Yeah, you had to explain it. I was happy to just listen. OK. Yeah, no, that was good. All right. You had all the numbers. So many numbers. And you know, it's so, it's very, maybe I should have mentioned that. It's so stark when you look at the list of devices and the ones that have integrated GPUs. It's like NewMax integrated. MacBook Air is integrated. 13-inch MacBook Pro is integrated. 15-inch MacBook Pro is it's. It's just what Apple does. They're like, this will get the things that we think are important for our product to do done. And they're right. Exactly. Yeah, yeah, absolutely. I got to run. OK. Show name. What do I like? I don't know. It's losing their steam. Oh, interesting. That's all right. All right. Thanks for having me, guys. Thanks, Patrick. Bye. Take care. Apple drops the beats, this person. We're going to drop this beats app and not support it anymore after today. Every time I see, I see these titles. And it says, M-A-C with capital letters. I'm like, Mac address? Blizzard overlooks the Mac address. I like our Macs losing their steam. Yeah, that's pretty funny. Elegant. And the fact is, no, they're not yet. Oh, I'm getting so totally sucked into Cyber Monday stuff. Really? What is wrong with me?  Jossimoss. You know, part of the workaround for Apple on the whole gaming thing is with the latest Thunderbolt iteration that comes with Skylake, it's conceivable to add a GPU. Yeah, that might get better with Skylake processors. It's kind of janky to do that right now. It is, but it's one of those kind of coley grails, because then you could just. Yeah. That would be nice if that worked. Well, Thunderbolt is essentially a PCI Express, like 4x PCI Express link. Sorry.  I'm trying to see. You're boring, old man. And deep down, this is Asia One work in California. You can understand my generation. We compute with our thoughts. I can't wait for thought, Pewter's, although I guess I wouldn't want to be hacked. Yeah, I don't want to. The learning curve is going to be too hard. Like the sensitivity is like, oh, that the sensitivity is for a younger person, sir. We'll have to adjust that for you. Yeah. Hey. Yeah. Oh, gosh. I had a thing I was going to say, and then I forgot the thing. Now I have nothing to say. Oh, question. Should I, for the rest of the day, do a ton of work that may or may not catch me up on all the work I have to do for all the things? Or should I farm and fall out for? Didn't you ask a similar question on Twitter earlier this weekend? I did. Should I write my script for Dear Veronica? Or should I build things and fall out for? These are very similar questions, it feels like. Should I ask this question to myself in Dear Veronica, therefore, all my faith? Oh, yeah. There you go. And have Jenny answer it. I have minutes about writing the script we're doing Fallout 4. Do your first meta episode of Dear Veronica. I have to go get my yummy.com. I'll be right back. Oh, dang. Sounds yummy. Sounds yummy. Did you, how far along are you in Fallout 4? Are you just doing all the sides? Yes, give us the Fallout 4 update. Fallout 4 update, yeah, I'm super. I'm really building out settlements now. I've got a, I just have to tell. So I just found, I don't want to spoil things. I just found Dr. Vincent. And so now I have to deal with, go to that. I'm holding, I'm holding off that for a while. And then I'm going to do the next thing on that list. And I'm doing other things. I made it into the Institute. You made it into the Institute, right? All right, don't tell me anymore. So just so you know, it's an entirely another faction that you can work with. Don't tell me that. I don't want to know that. That is a spoiler. It's not. It's not. All right, well, as long as I keep giving you cells. Roger's saying it's a game mechanic that you should be aware of. It's not a spoiler. The reason I tell you that is because you should pick who you work with very carefully. Well, I already work with, I can't say anything out loud. DTNS. DTNS. Hey, I'm in a long way as of this point. I am already signed up with a couple of different factions. I will not join the Brotherhood of Steel because they're jerks. They are kind of jerks, but I did. They're like, T total or prohibitionists. They're weirdos. Just do what I did and accept their invitation and then never go back. I've already done some work for them. I've been a bit of a bully at my farms. So you're at the point where they've already come in their giant blimp, right? Yes. So I've been busy shooting down their little helicopter thingies. You're shooting down their vertebrates? Yeah, because I think they're jerks. Oh my god. There's no reason to kill them. That's hilarious.  Making your way in the world today. No, they're trying to do their own version of what they do. They've got a lot of vertebrates. Roger Chang shooting down your vertebrates doesn't help a lot. That's why the militia, not the militia, the men in it make her better, because they need the support of the people. The Brotherhood of Steel just comes in and shoots up a place. Sometimes you want to go where everybody has your power armor. That's how I got all the power armor. And you have people to be a farmer.  You want to go to fall out for instead of doing work. Do, do, do, do, do, do. You shoot them down. It's incredibly cathartic. I tell you that right now. There's plenty of things for me to shoot that are cathartic already. I don't need to shoot down the poor men in their vertebrates that's trying to do their jobs. They're not poor, right? Have you seen what they wear? It's a very. God. This is like face the nation for fallout. It really is. No! Everybody's one-someone's on the left, and someone's on the right of fallout right now.  You, sir, are out of hand. Get back to the gourds. You just can't impose your morality on other people. What? You just can't impose your morality on other people. That's what the Brotherhood of Steel does. That's what you're doing right now. I'm reacting, all right? I'm reacting.  I blow back. On Face the Vault. Yep. I love this game so much. This is going to be going on forever. This is the only game I ever play again. Yeah. I felt that way about Witcher, though. I felt like I was never going to be done Witcher. And then it ended. Yeah. We didn't even make it a quarter of the way through a bit. Witcher took too long for me. The way Bethesda does her games, it's like a drug. It's really easy and quick to accomplish small things. And then build up from there. That's what makes it so addictive. Yeah. You can spend a lot of time doing. I spent so much time building out that gas station thing outside of Sanctuary Hills. So that's my pad. I haven't done anything to that, though I really should. I even built stairs to the top. And I put a whole new structure on top of it. Yeah, no, I've been doing that. I did that with the drive-in movie theater. I started building vertically on that, even though there's so much horizontal space. I think I'm going to build row houses there. So this is the thing I discovered. You actually don't really need real physics to build. So you can build a platform out like 10 squares out. And it's like hanging in the middle air, but it's a perfectly buildable space. Drives me crazy how this is how OCD I am. Drives me effing nuts that on uneven terrain, the house just sits on top of it. Oh my god, yeah. I'm like, for sick, that's sick. So I'm like, why can't you fit the terrain? I'm just like, make a hole in the ground. Just like. Yes, for fallout's sake. Yes. That's what I said. That's what she said. Case anyone in your car is asking, daddy, what did that lady say? That's what she said. Yeah, her cluck is raising tickets. Sorry. I do love gathering all my brawling together. Yeah, building them their little feed troughs, and then they like, brawling just show up. Like somebody just brought a brawling. They do. Is that a day? Bring a brawling day? What does he mean? Gord, there's no concrete foundations for uneven terrain building. Is there? No, you can break down concrete blocks to make cement. Can you put it as a foundation, really? No, not for a foundation, but to build some of the other things, like some of the radio towers or whatever you need to cement. Mm-hmm, mm-hmm. You know, that's what he's saying. Meanwhile, my iPhone cracked. You probably can't see it. Oh, what did you do to it? Did you drop it? Dropped it flat on its face on the way to see Creed, which is prophetic. Creed the movie, not the band. The Creed the band, no longer exists, right? Yeah, in our hearts. But wait a minute, does the song from Creed go? Cement, where I don't, it's a type of wooden floor. Apparently you can make a cement foundation under the floor settings that even down the terrain. Oh, that would have totally helped because I have all this cement in my workshop. Well, now I have to go destroy all my houses and rebuild them all. I know, because I'm in our tentative like that. Damn it. You should have seen how long it took me to build walls. Well, I know what you'll be doing this afternoon. Yeah, I think we solved that problem. It's a neighborhood revitalization plan. It's an urban renewal. Urban renewal, exactly. That's what I'm going for. You'll be like Lady Bird Johnson. Ron Cabellmont, the Lady Bird Johnson of Fallout 4. I prefer to think of myself as a Jimmy Carter of Fallout 4. Seriously, try shooting down a birdie bird. Oh, it'll make things feel better. I don't feel good about that. They're not invincible. They're just a bunch of... I know, nothing is allowed. Roger Chang, the unaligned partisan of fun.  Zealots that have really swankier. So if you shoot a few of the knights, you can get their armor. It's pretty bad. I don't want them to come after me. I don't want that. I'm not... I got to find Travis, by the way. Have you guys found Travis in Diamond City? No, not yet. Which one's the guy? I'm in Diamond City. He's the DJ. Okay. No, I haven't found him. I had to get paint for the wall. He's definitely starting to get crazy though. He is like... So he kind of says the same stuff all the time.  And he keeps stubbing his toes on something he said, Oh, moved that! Oh, I did, because I'm alone. And it's like, he sounds like he's starting to crack. And I think there's a questline with him and I just have to figure out how to start it, because I really want to meet him. But I keep looking for like a radio broadcast tower in Diamond City Market and I don't see it. So I got to find him. These are somewhere. It's kind of like finding Jenny in her office. Yeah. In real life. Sometimes you want to go where Travis radio guy's insane. Did you find the detective? Of course, yeah. Nick is my second main guy. Is he? Dogmeat's my number one. I got Dogmeat like super heavy armor and a dog helmet and a little bit of Dana. What? Nice. What's that Irish brawler, Caitlyn? I don't have her yet. She's terrible at being company, but she's great because she can pick all the locks for me. I just keep brawling. Where do you find her? She's in... She's kind of like half Brian Brushwood. She's not combat alley. What's that, something? Combat something? Like it's like a little coliseum that's like all matches.  Like she totally just doesn't like you, but she's a great combat person and she can pick all the locks for me. Interesting. Oh my God. Well, I know what I'm doing. What brings us to a close of Face the Vault. Thank you everyone for watching. We'll have to look forward to besides my child.


Hi friends, welcome back to my channel and welcome back to the second episode in my instant pot series This one is two delicious dinner or meal recipes that I want to share with you. They are quick They are easy. They have a minimal amount of ingredients and they are both absolutely delicious So if you have an instant pot or you're looking at possibly purchasing an instant pot and want to make sure that it's worthwhile Definitely stay tuned for this series I do have the instant pot that I have as well as a few other options linked down below in the description box in my Amazon store So I want to show you two amazing instant pot dinners So if you want to see what I have in store for you, all you have to do is keep watching For tonight's instant pot recipe, we are going to make Italian creamy chicken pasta I am excited about this. I have not made this type of recipe in my instant pot So I'm excited to give it a try. So let me show you everything that is in tonight's recipe So first you are going to need some chicken stock You're also going to need some pasta. I'm going to go ahead and use the fiber gourmet light penne pasta This is a lot less points about half of traditional pasta and honestly truly There is no difference. So I'm going to go ahead and use the fiber gourmet light penne I do have this linked down in my description box below salt pepper Italian seasoning minced garlic Fat-free or reduced fat cream cheese. I'm going to use the Trader Joe's light shredded mozzarella You'll need some Roma tomatoes a red onion Some mushrooms and alas, certainly not least some boneless skinless chicken breast So let's get started on tonight's instant pot dinner So the first thing that we need to do to get started on our dinner is we need to go ahead and cut up our mushrooms We also need to dice our red onion Get it nice and diced up into smaller pieces and we also need to chop up our Roma tomatoes And then lastly we're just going to dice our chicken breast into pieces All of that can get added directly into the instant pot liner. So I'm going to go ahead get my veggies chopped up Once you have your chicken and your veggies added to your pot We're gonna have the rest of our ingredients This is one thing I love about an instant pot is literally everything gets thrown into one pot and it comes out with a perfect meal So love the instant pot. So I'm gonna go ahead and add my light penny pasta This bag is only eight ounces. So when I did the recipe I calculated my points based off of eight ounces I also need to go ahead and add two cups of chicken stock So I have a measuring cup here and I'm gonna go ahead and put in two cups You want to make sure that all of your pasta as well as your chicken is almost all the way covered with liquid When using your instant pot, so you got to have enough liquid to cook down your pasta as well So there's the chicken stock Next I'm gonna go ahead and add in some minced garlic and I never major my garlic as you know So I'm just gonna put a big chunk in there and then lastly we're gonna add our spices So first is the Italian seasoning. So this is gonna have all of those delicious Italian spices all rolled into one seasoning and then I'm also going to be adding Just some black pepper as well as some salt just to give our Dinner just a little more flavor and then some pink Himalayan sea salt So go ahead and add all of that to your instant pot We're gonna give this a quick stir and get it into the pot and ready to go But that's it you guys how quick and easy is that? Look at how amazing this looks so there is everything ready in our instant pot The only two things we haven't added are the cream cheese and the mozzarella Those are actually added after cooking and that's what creates that creamy pasta So now we are ready to get our instant pot all set and ready to go to cook our dinner So the first thing that we're gonna do is hit the manual button We actually want this set for nine minutes. So we're gonna go ahead and pop our lid on our pot Get it going for nine minutes And then I will be back when we're ready to naturally release The timer just went off and now we are doing five minutes of natural release Once you're cooking setting finishes on your instant pot this L 0000 will come up and then it will count down the number of Natural release minutes each recipe should tell you how many minutes to naturally release if they say to Release the pressure yourself That is when you use this dial up here and you turn this over here to where it says eventing But we are going to naturally release for an additional three minutes Then I'll flip that switch and vent out any remaining pressure Once your instant pot has reached the five minutes of natural release Just go over to the top very carefully Do not put your hand over that and flip the dial and steam will come out And it will continue to release the rest of the pressure Then you are ready to pop the lid off. I just pop the lid off of the instant pot Look at how good This pasta looks this is going to be such a good dinner So next we're going to go ahead and add in our cheese. So first I have my cream cheese So I'm going to add that and then what's left here in this bag of the Trader Joe's light shredded mozzarella is One cup I did measure it on my food scale So we're going to go ahead and pop that in and then we are going to just give our instant pot a stir Make sure that pasta is nice and mixed in with the cheeses and then we will be good to go So I'm going to let this cheese melt get it nice and mixed together Whoa, we're getting steamy. Sorry guys And then I'll plate up my dinner and show you the completed dinner and give you all of the smart points Here is the completed pasta dinner once the cream cheese and the cheese has melted. This looks so Delicious, but boy, it's hot So I'm going to go ahead and let it cool off just a little bit before I plate it up And I'll be back with tonight's dinner So here is dinner you can have all of this for only Seven smart points and that includes the Parmesan cheese on top if you did not put the Parmesan cheese on it would be six Smart points, but this is a full-size dinner plate. So that is a huge serving It's about one and a quarter cups for only six smart points or seven with the Parmesan But look at how delicious this looks with the chicken mushrooms cheese Yum another instant pot dinner success For tonight's dinner. We are making instant pot taco pasta tacos and pasta together Yes, please that sounds so good. So let me show you what is in tonight's dinner So you're going to need one pound of extra lean ground beef. This is actually a two and a half pound package I'm just going to weigh out on my food scale one pound You're also going to need some beef broth or beef stock You're going to need some pasta and I'm going to go ahead and use my very favorite fiber gourmet These are the light elbows. I love this pasta It is half of the smart points of a regular pasta two ounces three smart points versus two ounces six smart points You can't go wrong. It doesn't taste any different and it is so good Full of fiber full of protein and of course half the smart points. You can't go wrong I'm also going to do a mix of fat free cheese as well as light shredded mozzarella I want to get that nice cheesy finish. So I'm going to go ahead and mix these two cheeses You're also going to need some taco seasoning and last but certainly not least you're going to need some tomato sauce So let's get started on tonight's dinner The first thing that you're going to do is go ahead and set your instant pot to saute You want to go ahead and let it warm up for just a couple of minutes and then to that We're going to go ahead and add in our one pound of the extra lean ground beef And we're going to cook this down directly into our instant pot Until it is cooked all the way through that is one thing I love about the instant pot is that you don't have to saute Veggies and meat separately you can do it all in one pot So literally you have one pot to clean one of my favorite things besides how quick and easy the dinners are So I'm going to get this hamburger brown and then we'll add in some more of our ingredients Once your hamburger is brown or most of the way browned You're going to go ahead and go back down here to your instant pot And we're actually going to set this to manual because we do want to turn off the saute function and go ahead and set that to a manual and then we're going to go ahead and add in the rest of our Ingredients sorry in advance for all of the steam. I don't know here. Let me try to turn it there We go still going to be a little bit seamy, but we're going to go ahead and add in the rest of our ingredients So first we're going to add in our Small can of tomato sauce We're also going to add in two cups of beef broth That should help with the steam. We're also going to add in our package of taco seasoning We're going to give that a good stir and then we will add in our pasta So give that kind of a good stir get that taco seasoning nice and mixed in to Your meat and in with that beef broth and that tomato sauce And then lastly you're going to go ahead and you're going to add in your pasta So I'm going to go ahead and add in those light elbows Give that a quick stir and then we're ready to cook and this dinner only cooks for five minutes So it is super quick. It does have to release Naturally, so it actually will end up taking about 15 minutes or so so about 20 minutes total With sauteing down that ground beef, which is nothing So we're going to go ahead and get the lid popped on and get this set to finish cooking So we're going to set our manual time down to five minutes Make sure your lid is on and that your valve here is closed and then we are good to go So I will be back once it is finished cooking and once we have it started to naturally release Once your instant pot beeps tells you that it's done. We're going to go ahead and do a manual release So you're just going to turn this and the steam will start to come out The pressure will release and as soon as the steam has completely come out Your little knob will pop up and you'll be able to remove the top of your instant pot And it will be ready to add on some cheese. So I just removed the top of my instant pot I'm going to give this a quick stir And then we're going to go ahead and top it with our cheese clean you off here There we go. So that looks so good I only have a little less than half of a cup of the Trader Joe's cheese and the rest of it It's fat-free cheddar. So we're going to go ahead and just kind of put that on top of our pasta And then we're going to put the lid on not all the way Just basically set the lid on until the cheese melts and I'll be back to show you our completed dinner So here is what the taco pasta looks like once we melt the cheese This makes only four servings. So you get quite a large serving I'm going to go ahead and plate this up and I'll be back to show you our completed dinner But this looks so good and here is the completed dinner So I went ahead and put some steamable broccoli cauliflower mix into my microwave Added a little bit of spray butter salt and pepper. So that is zero and then look at this taco pasta This is one fourth of the recipe and this is a full-size dinner plate. This one fourth is only Six smart points this entire plate of pasta is six smart points So that makes my dinner with the vegetables being zero a total of six points Thank you for joining me on the second episode in my new WW instant pot series I hope that you enjoyed seeing the two recipes that I shared with you. They were both delicious Family-friendly kid approved really good options for those busy working people those moms those dads That don't have a lot of time to make dinner the instant pot is an absolute life saver Again, I have several linked in my amazon store below Also, the fiber gourmet pasta is in my amazon store as well So if you're new to my channel make sure you subscribe You don't want to miss out on any of these instant pot videos as well as all of the other recipe And ww content that I share here on my channel. Make sure you hit that notification bell I'd love it if you'd give this video a thumbs up Comment down below. Let me know. Are you going to try these recipes? Or maybe if I persuaded you to go ahead and purchase yourself an instant pot And of course have a great day, and I'll see you guys in my next video. Bye


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We are rolling. So whenever you're ready. Hello, this is James and I'm Alyssa and we are here with Chris Nietzsche as a part of the University Cincinnati history three sat three thousand ninety-seven honor seminar title barricade legacies and the date is February 14th 2018 and the time is Oh So the interview is taking place at Grace's home. Thank you for being here with us today, Grace Yeah, I guess we'll get right into the questions My first one for you is have you always seen yourself going to college and what made you want to go? Oh I think my parents instilled that in me when I was very small Then I would go to college and it was a given Never that I would go. Yes What I would do would be Entirely left up to me But I was so involved as a child and at a young age in art That I knew it would be something in the art field Yeah Obviously kind of along with that what made you want to go to Paris to continue your education Well, it was a choice between Going to Paris or maybe going for a master's degree at the time and I decided I would Do better by going to Paris and then I put the master's off and tell after I came back and started teaching and then I got but Paris was a High point. I think of my education I was exposed to at that time really the center of fashion of the world and I was accepted into a school that was very well known throughout the world For the education my teacher one of my teachers was the teacher for Yves Saint-Laurent. I But so it was an excellent experience and further experience was Working for Christian Dior within and all of this I would say it was very difficult It was not easy. I mean the French are very rigorous in their training and You have to do everything exactly as they say you don't have So, but it was a fantastic experience The whole thing school that they educated me well One year and at the end of that year I had to take a week of Test and exams And then I I wanted to work for a designer called Givenchy, but My teacher mistakenly told me to take my portfolio because I drew well Be it mistake, which she should have know because The woman that I interviewed with the moment she saw the portfolio. She said I can't put you in a work room if you control Because they were so hyped up that you were going to copy and send it to the United States so On my way home. I just decided to walk into Christian Dior and apply there I guess one with that what kind of work were you doing later in college in? College I was giving the co-op program. Yeah, I was in the co-op program and I That was one of I would say a wonderful mentor That I had on my co-op job. It was a local manufacturer really pretty moderate to lower price garments, but I had a fantastic pattern-making Designer that I worked for and All I would do would be ask him questions He would encourage me and he taught me so much and during my lunch hour The seamstresses would teach me how to work a power machine and do piecework like manufacturing. So it was great experience In college My teacher when I began was Mary light Meyer Who later became the curator of costume and textiles at Cincinnati Art Museum? she Was very fine person and all through my life. She would contact me but in design She wasn't Really technically trained, but she was a historian and from that standpoint she taught you a lot about history and fashion and things like that, but the co-op program Really was a Great education to me Did I hope you Sorry, did you pay through college or do you have a scholarship? I Didn't have a scholarship. I was paid, of course, they were paying but My parents paid my tuition I Had a wonderful grandmother Who for various and sundry reasons? Put my name on the property she owned when she died and The house we lived in building downtown and center was Money that I used to go to France It was a great gift And I think about that now with my grandchildren the two oldest ones. I've given Certain stock that I'm betting on the day Facebook went on the market I bought Facebook the oldest one has faced but then When I heard first heard about it Baba, I Bought Alibaba for the second one So that I've been lucky on both cases, but I think that kind of a gift and it's for their education You have to So you were talking a little bit about your time in the fashion industry What made you go back to teaching I First as I said in New York, I did this Shakespeare in the park and then I was at sex Fifth Avenue and I Was just about a year and a half I guess I spent New York and I had been in New York the summer working for some publicity pattern company before I went to Paris so I was very familiar with it and they called me and At UC and they had two positions for the department head and another position and I couldn't quite decide and and I talked to a friend of my mother's Who said to me? I think this was and I always remember it when You teach Many doors will open to you that would not otherwise be open You can go into any top designer anywhere in the world Ask questions they will take you through because they intend for you to give it to somebody else the information You know you can travel All over the world and I thought hey that sounds pretty good. So that's why I did it so How do you feel that your time working in the industry affected your teaching? I think I think it was very good. I think I Kept learning all the time even when I when I started teaching I was also There was a store here much like sex called getting Jenny and I was the artist For getting Jenny that came out in the paper. So a couple of years there. I wasn't married. I was doing both but and I Felt all long you have to constantly learn as a teacher Constantly so my time in industry. I sort of have different experiences and From time to time I go back to those experiences and constantly learn and I think that's important for students they They were great. They were very absorbent Always interested in what you're doing and they still contact me today. Yeah so did you think that Did a lot of the work you did in the fashion industry like inform what you taught your students from experience. Yes I mentioned the draping before The cutting experience in France was very specialized and No one else actually made patterns that way Most manufacturers here use flat pattern method When I taught in China Chinese said to me in the conversation Talking. Oh, do you know how to take fabric and cut it on the form?  They wanted to know Japanese do all flat pattern So when I taught in Japan, it was the same thing You know, how do you do this? What do you look for? So? What I learned there The drawing not so important, but the cutting that was very Important you learn about the body how the body moves So you have to think of that as you're allowing for excess fabric as you're cutting a design What was your what when that while you see what was your path to becoming a tenure professor like? First easy, you know, but my last appointment Was difficult. I put three volumes together It just you know, but each promotion I started out as instructor They had instructor at that time, so I was promoted four times I Wish in those days they have given you a mentor from another college like they're doing now They will give new faculty mentors that I was fortunate that I didn't know a few people who gave me advice as When and you can go up for tenure And when you should You can go up sometimes a little before but Maybe you should hang back They would teach me about that what you really want in your VT But if you did not have somebody to mentor It was not a lot of times it really didn't you didn't get it We had an excellent faculty member who Didn't get it and mostly I'm sorry to say the Dean at the time Had to cut money and they just didn't approve So she left who's the Dean at that time? Berencind Where how long? Berencind has a long reputation Being probably the Dean throughout the University in history that only spent I Don't know some minimal amount of time in his office. He was always conducting some tour through Europe for somebody and The secretary at that time ran the college And anyone will tell you it's part of the history Yeah Was there a difference for getting tenure between a male and female? Oh, yeah back then yes It was a big difference in Salary I think if I knew then But I know now I would never have gone in as instructor and never I Would always have gone in this system professor with the amount of Experience that I had Which was as I mentioned much earlier to you My department the person the other person that they hired us the department head Had far less experience that she was quite a few years older and Not that she did a fine job as a department head. She really did I think it was an area she was good And building a department that I Should have gone You don't know that you think well I'll go I'll do a good job Over time what factors have made that a consistently well recognized design program I Think Department heads and Administration has really built the college I think they have also had like in the school of design in general in industrial graphics and fashion some excellent teachers that have had experience in the industry and Continuously develop themselves to develop the students. I think that's a big factor. I think sometimes departments have been extremely Stressed in terms of not enough faculty and our department had a history of hiring a lot of Agile which Was good in one way and that those people Brought a lot of knowledge from outside in however, they didn't have the responsibility that faculty did and It became a lot. I know that another thing is a lot of other colleges did not Have the same requirements on the faculty as they did That we work We because it was studio. We worked 18 hours a week With in the classroom You had I advised a senior class As well and I have graduate students to advise So there was very little time to develop yourself As time has gone on I think there is more opportunities they have hired more full-time people and the faculty are able to do Research in different areas in 1990. I started Clothing for people at wheelchairs And I did that for ten years Which was extremely worthwhile I actually Another professor kind of picked it up when I retired she I helped her with class or two Where students were involved? and We gave a paper in 2009 At the Royal College of Art in London, which I thought was quite Nice to go there the whole conference there was on products for people with disabilities so How's the co-op program developed over the years It's great. I think the only problem is We never have enough jobs That's a problem. The student enrollment has grown and grown and grown but There doesn't seem always to be enough jobs and students Sometimes now are going out and getting jobs themselves Some turn out well and some do not but that's the biggest thing that I see but the benefit that the student gets is Tremendous a good co-op job even not so good co-op job really teaches you not only the Professional side of what you're doing, but also how you have to get along with people That's a very big thing that you may be very talented but quite often when you just come out of college and you step into a job If you are Extremely good at what you step into there may be somebody there this has been there 15 years and Started at a much lower salary. This is always a problem and sometimes resent But you have to deal with those things on the co-op and you see that happening and You know how to approach it. We also have I assume you do an engineering. We have a course the freshman year and Really to kind of prepare you and I hope I don't I've never said in on the course. I Don't know It's something that You have found on your co-op job We find it all the time. There's a little bit of envy Were there any changes you want to make within your department or college and how did you go about making those changes now? I mean our past Well, that was a long Yes, I was The first person to apply and yet maternity leave It was no maternity leave my second son was born in 1976 and My first son I did not have an eternity leave. I had five weeks off and She said I'll take your class my department head for the five weeks and then you have to be back here So that was yeah, I also my oldest son had the tooth teeth problems wasn't an over bite it was an under bite and At any rate or you did not have faculty did not have orthodontistry at that time and So he was the first he had to have a new apparatus that someone had just developed So it was in the paper. So I made a big case for this so Then we began to get dental care for children. So there was I was one of I would say eight or ten Black faculty that first began the black faculty association at UC There was just a handful of people that came together. I was the first Black woman in the college there's only been two cents in 35 years That's a part that has always been a problem in DAP and CCM is much better now DAP, I don't think a moment of minority students has Increased any there's always been a number nor faculty You think specifically within the DAP college that have improved it really hasn't improved I Brought out the book that they have put out. It's down there on the table that Shows the develop what will tell you the development of the program of the college a J. Chatterjee had them put together the history of the college after that building was built and there's a picture of the millennium and I opened that picture There are students and faculty There's not one black person here And I thought hmm there is someone from Korea and the Dean was Indian and the Dean had I Would tell you a rough time on and off because he was Indian and he would tell you that So but yeah, so you said you had to like Kind of advocate for your son's teeth Were you doing a lot of like pushback or like to get these things? No, I just I think I knew a lot of people in the university. I Would write a letter. I knew who to write to that's another thing you don't know who to go to But I usually know who to go to and I Think it was a blessing when we got a union Because that helped a lot because that was during the period of time. There was not a union when I started teaching and That helped a great deal on things like this like majority In the contract When was that oh I Know what about the teeth was But I do not know Students changed over the years. Oh, yes They seem to know far more about the world and what is going on in the world they are I think very knowledgeable about Subjects that they study. I think they're highly influenced on the political time. I was there before the Korean War and then I saw students change a seriousness come over them and at some periods of time they seem to be more fun-loving and Outgoing and then sometimes they're very serious and that it's all about the time That we're going through it does affect them. I think students today Seem to be I'm not in contact with them every day like I was before but they seem to be very involved with the world They're knowledgeable Far more knowledgeable about the world. That's very good. Oh Thank you. Yeah. Yeah, I was just gonna say like you said there was a lot of You were there during the time when there was a lot of serious things going on How did you see the students like react to that like their activism and things like that? Well at different times. It was a riot. I think in the class the first day somebody mentioned that and Okay, and it was basically students who were protesting various things One faculty member in CCM who did not get hired. She was internationally famous She was a black female and That seemed to be part of it, but then I think there were problems in other colleges They closed the university So there was activism How focused was the university on interacting with the community around it? Has it changed over the years? It's changed. Yes When I started out it was a city known as a city university It became When it became affiliated with the state, I think state politics comes into it the governor as you know appoints the new members to the board of trustees and so if the governor is Republican he's gonna appoint another Republican and That's the way it goes. So I find that that sounds simple at the top but the politics I think of the state tends to Filter down to the universe to the colleges and to the University where as before just from my brief knowledge is there was more I know interaction between why college and the community and CCM and the community in terms of the arts there was far more than I think then there is now at one time the beginning of DAPH was Connected with the art museum of the art Academy It was part of them first. It was called the MacMicka and school of drawing and design and Then it succeeded, but then people thought it should be moved. So it was in so therefore you had that beginning of Community involvement with the museum. So then it came back to the University and the College of Engineering and then Then it separated into DAA it was called first and then to DAP but It seems to be from my perspective more involved with the community Before then it is now. I don't know how many projects are being done with the community right now There were a lot at the time and say 60s and 70s It was a well-known planner here for Roos he Unfortunately died in an early age of cancer, but he was very strong on his belief of community involvement He designed playgrounds For sands elementary he designed That's just one example So DAPH was involved. He's from the school planning What was the transition like from being a professor to the head of the department? Not a huge transition I had been there some time and My department had we were on a quarter system. So We taught seven out of eight quarters. So that means I taught every other summer that was built into it because of the co-op system and Every time my department head was off. I would step in If she took a sabbatical I stepped in so I was familiar with what to do How did your role change? More people Scheduling classes and a lot more people work and I told her at the very beginning I'm not really Ever after your job I'm not a paperwork person to begin with but I did it But then you know they changed from departments to schools and And basically having nine Departments in depth and then they changed it to four schools Changed the administration it took away a lot of their responsibilities A coordinator which they're called now it moved from from department head to chair to Of course as they did that was less responsibility and less money so the school director as We speak the new school director for the school of design actually has taken over as the coordinator for fashion. I hear It wasn't difficult, you know at the time that I did it And then the changes didn't bother me at all from chair to coordinator The only thing that really I think bothered me was when it changed and you had less responsibility hiring of New faculty should be I think you should be more involved Than it was the school director kind of took over and in Several cases they made very big blunders very big blunders The person was out of there before the year was over so there there really needs for Faculty to be directly involved in Hiring I mean they can see how that person fits of what that person's going to bring Did you have to apply or you chosen to become the new department head or how did that work? No, I you're asked by like school director would ask me Yeah, I went on sabbatical and when I came back He asked me, you know, did I want to do it? It had gone from chair to coordinator So but the school director would ask you okay? I Think about cover us a little bit, but what was the largest change you've seen at UC? the number of students The in fashion design is overwhelming As you know, I went to undergraduate school there And I think we may have had eight to ten people in the class The last two years there were 50 in a senior graduating class So it's gone and we turn. I'm sorry to say far too many people away I think I was thinking about this the other day that move that television show Project one way More people became interested in fashion. It really had an effect that we turn away a lot of people and The people that are chosen Well selected to come are based on their GPAs Which we are not a portfolio school. You don't present a portfolio Which that to me I would prefer them reviewing the portfolio Because I've seen some people who are really dedicated Who Would do better academically If they were in something that they love they wouldn't know I think the opposite is true. The theory is well You have to make sure that they're not going to flunk out that freshman year just because they're talented artists But it also works that way So were you ever like involved in the admissions process? Oh sure sure At one time and I think sometimes they still are doing it If you saw a student and they came to you with a portfolio, although that wasn't part of the selection But didn't have the GPA You would ask them to apply to Arts and Science their freshman year and Take as many of the freshman courses in depth and Then make sure that you Have a very good GPA at the end of the year and transfer in I Saw several people do that and just to get in it really influenced their academic grades And they did very well It doesn't always work, but it can work so You did a lot at UC. Was there any time you thought about leaving or to do other work? I thought about going to another university when I was approached But I Felt my husband was an administrator at UC and I had two boys It wasn't a good time to uproot this family Not at all So I stayed So okay, sorry So did your family influence your decision a lot to stay or do you things like within the university? Yes My family have always been extremely supportive. I Don't think a lot that has spoons food just like our wife go to China for six weeks and take care of two boys Always have been supportive I went to India for six weeks Twice I Once before I retired months after I retired in 2004 I went to India again the same school so I Went to Japan That was I went to Japan twice, but it was shorter period one week in them. I went back and for another week But India wanted me to come and stay two years Which the last time I was there I had already Retired I retired Early a few years early because Unfortunately, I had cancer And I had recovered and I was fine and then I went to India for six weeks, but I asked them Did they have a doctor? there On campus, and they said it becomes once a week If you knew India But I loved it. I loved India Wonderful, but You have to be prepped before you go and this is what you can expect and and then you deal with some of the hardships, but It was a wonderful learning experience Wonderful Do you think earlier in your career you would have probably entertained staying there? India, yeah, if I was single and didn't have a family. Oh, yeah Yeah So I think you talked more about this earlier, but what kind of other struggles did you see? Other women feast facing had viewers. Well, the salary was a big factor Really getting and involved and making decisions in your college. I think a lot of it early on was men middle-aged men and That was that way a long long time They just didn't seem to have the same respect for someone's opinion and In terms of a meeting that you would go to where decisions were being made I Set on the committee. I was selected to sit on the committee for the school of design building the Isomand building Anyway for seven years I had to deal with it. I Was on there and the librarian was on there now It was a hard way to go Isomand and his assistant would come from New York and Spread out a drawing of the spine of the college and how he was getting to these wonderful things Then he would just gradually it would just gradually change each time He was definitely a person who had a huge ego He wanted to be filmed Every time he came and spoke to anyone He had to be on film anyone see the film if he was too fat or not it was but Good example after maybe about six years. He showed a plan and He went through first floor second floor every floor and I said This fashion design department Next to it was the college kitchen. I Said does this mean the kitchen this cooking and the sewing are together Just I was just so angry Yeah, that was a mental state of Isomand, right There's just shove it in there. She said the smell would be in the fabric. It would just be horrible Next time he came Went through the whole thing again. I mean this took a couple of hours at least and I said, I'm sorry. I Won't see the fashion design department at all at all. It wasn't there and The assistant said We were up until about two o'clock this morning getting it ready for today and Don't worry. We'll find a place for you And I thought this sounds just like a student who stays up all night for critique Yeah, but now this was in the latter part, you know, that building of my career All right So I'm sure architecture went down first But in the end Yeah, one of the assistant Dean at the time spoke up for me and said well last time Yeah, put him next to the college kitchen. I mean so we got the best Place in the whole building. I don't know if you've seen the fashion overlooks the park We got the best in the end, but it was a fight and that that wasn't that long ago you know well it is now but Yeah, you said that like racially your department wasn't very diverse at all was My department was better than others. The college was not good College was not good. Um, I know they would Take a sort of a census every so often how many Minorities were in the college in different departments and I remember once it came out We had eight in the program More than all the rest of the college put together It was a problem also with hiring faculty I didn't think They either mentored the faculty when they During 35 years that I was there. There were two women hired in architecture One stayed about two years. The other one may be five years and There were many problems for them Or one male Was in industrial design a few years and he was getting along fine, but I mean he told me just He had to go back to California. He just It really wasn't very good for him so but When they I do know for a fact they would offer people jobs But they would offer them sometimes less than their current current salary or Their current position and their current position And so usually people aren't going to come for less And I think With students Students are one of the reasons why they're not that many minorities in terms of students in the program parents are Really desired that they're when they send their Children to school. They want them to have professions that will be lucrative that appear That is going to be highly professional. And if you say fashion design or graphic design They often do not see that in the same light as engineering, you know Engineering has more cloud in many cases than an industrial designer And I know a man at one time that was recruiting from the university that would go to black churches and When there would be meetings and talk to parents About that But because he felt that it really started with the parents You know influence and I think that's very very true So You said you had friends in like other colleges and things like that Do you think their experience being a woman a woman at the university was the same as yours or different, you know Oh, one of my friends is Barbara Ramneusack Was at the end of the table and she talks often She became the head of history and she talks often about I know we would go to New York There were before of us who would go to New York and we still do And she would say I would say oh by that Barbara we would go shopping. Oh This is too wild if I walked into a meeting with all those men, you know, she would be real conscious on What she wore to a meeting, of course, I wouldn't and I couldn't understand it, but They do have And that she's one who will tell you when they hire someone new Why the struggle she had way back when and the small salary that she had and So it has improved a great deal, but they many women had problems, I mean So and that was in all the colleges everything Were there any like policies that like kind of helped improve? I think the again establishing the union was a place that you could go and asked What could be done about the situation? I Had an incident and I went to the union Didn't go anywhere, but it didn't make any difference, but The other person was called to task about the situation and then the dean became involved and Having that union there was a very good thing for a woman What was that you said? I would say about 1990s maybe They're human nature is Especially I feel there At you see and I'm sure it's other places as well Is there's a lot of competition for grants for money for that was the merit system? And I think it human nature is possibly to envy somebody for something And I think I found that a lot Sometimes me faculty I had a old it wasn't new and Mercedes And I got comments This is anything you know were there more male faculty compared to women in your department Not in my department, but in the college In my department But in the rest of the college Architecture was oh my goodness If you were a woman and you step foot in the This black woman that was hired the first one and an architecture Faculty member said that she came in well, can you go get me a cup of coffee? Yes, that's why I think she only stayed about a year Do you think they like handled that at all or just kind of like that was the norm that wasn't handled? Industrial design was in my Area was also one person there was faculty member in there who was noted For being extremely chauvinistic Students and other faculty Maybe just to like Wrap up in a sense, but do you have any like memorable relationships with colleagues or students that you want to discuss more about? Oh, yes, I have a lot of Relationships as I told you when I met me last week the students are the best part of it I Wouldn't have stayed 35 years if it wasn't the students are wonderful being creative minds who are really Interested in what they're doing have a desire to succeed and what they're doing It's just wonderful to work with creative minds When I go to New York every time I go to New York They will come out and we will go to dinner every time At one point I sit to my husband when I went to Japan first time I went to Japan I Said to know I'm going halfway around the world And when I get there Three former students were there to meet me. That's a wonderful Really wonderful. Yeah One was Working and gonna be there that week another one lived in the Philippines and her she and her husband manufactured Clothing for children and she came and then the other one went lived in Japan, and I was going to go that we all met in Hong Kong and I was going to go back to Japan with her So it's a great feeling And I hear from Do you have any reservations about doing this interview with us? No, I'm just I Don't think I'm the best speaker in the world and afterwards. I always think What made you decide to do this with us I Thought it would be interesting Barbara asked me What is your What's the thing to risk part of accomplishing dinner time at UC? Well, I started Several programs of which Students won big awards and developed. I started the network program Which I wrote ice heard of a small knit machine So I Got one and pulled around with that then I wrote a program. So I took a leave of absence and went to conferences and wrote proposal and got a grant to get Machines in the department and started there. They do wonderful things. I have many many students who went into One's at Nike and I just all over that I'm very proud of most people know that I did a leather design clothing design and I I discovered a place here in Norwood that had a lot of leather and they sold To us you company and so I would go over there and for like No many at all students could buy leather and it was Wonderful everyone got excited because it's the only material that has a smell You know, it's very sensuous leather is so I started we started making leather clothing we won they won There's a big show in New York every year by the leather industries of America From 1990 for 10 years the students took first second third my students won it every year so I was selected by the leather industries of America to represent them in Bologna Italy one year. So I went there and gave a paper So those two things in terms of the edgy but the accomplishments the students did in developing You know with new materials And I think that's a key right now because materials and new materials and experimentation That's pretty where it is So I'm very proud of that.  I wish I had said that Now I think all in all I chose the right thing too I would never have gotten all that I got out of teaching experiences were terrific New York is interesting but It's a place that gets very old Quickly and you see the writing on the wall and once asked at SACs How did miss is how did Sophie get her job? That was the designer Supposedly and they said oh Sophie's Mrs. Gimble. She married the owner of the store so it Was it's difficult life in New York There is even if that highly successful. I have some highly successful students in New York. It's very difficult Thank you for coming