You're welcome back. Well, there is political matters arising as it is and they've been butthole between candidates and supporters of the PDP APC and even other parties and we're here to discuss that today and Many more joining us to discuss that is Dr. Nicholas Felix who is APC's youngest presidential aspirant and now the deputy national youth coordinator APC PCC Welcome, Dr. Felix to the program Thank you for having me. Good morning to you and good morning to Nigeria. Okay Let us begin with your background as a cleric. Am I right?  That was a very day. I launched my campaign I still remember January 2018 to come around for president. At least if nobody's willing to throw their heart in the game I should be able to come out and join politics and cause it changed. That's how it began Okay, but as a 2018 that you started you were of the PCP, right? Why did you leave PCP for something else for another party? Um, several reasons I left PCP, I assume that the election was over. I had some Number one, we learned the lesson that smaller parties will not take you there You know that PCP was a very young party and I knew definitely if you want to win a national election Not even the regional, some regional parties can do You know can help you if you're running for a regional election But for a national party, a national election, you need a party that has the spread That was the first reason we decided to leave and join a bigger platform that we know can get us there And number two as you know, I need to register a lot of political parties out of 79 We currently have about 18 left. So the party was to register even if we were going to continue The party no longer has it. So That's why we joined the ABC Okay, but what are some of these things that That you could take from PCP and find in APC because I'm sure you must have done your calculations You must have seen there the ideologies and all that what are the similar ideologies between the PCP and the APC that made you To choose the APC and not any other party You see the largest political party in Africa, not just in Nigeria Apart from being the ruling party I felt The platform is what we need the people are there like I always tell everyone the people are there That's when we came to join them no matter what you have to say about APC the people are there What 14 million register card members in APC?  It's the all-progressive Congress and you must understand In as much as you stand with what APC believe when you become a candidate, you are bringing your own ideology You're bringing all your own ideas To the party and right now every Nigeria one chain if you look at almost all the manifesto everybody Order for office without the local state of federal level everybody saying the same thing the issue of insecurity the issue of economy These are problem that you don't need Somebody to tell you the average Nigeria experience it everything So it's we all want the same thing but the difference is who has the political we Political mind to get this job done That's where the difference is and well, but you say that APC is a progressive Party would you say they have done something to show that they're really as progressive as the name is Of course you look at infrastructure APC this administration particularly did very well when it come to infrastructure infrastructure Uh, yes in terms of security I always stand by this that they are they could have done more When before they got into office Boko Haram was was heavy in Nigeria Then you know, there were bombings all over the place In in in Nigeria even churches could not gather they were able to tackle Boko Haram Even though his soldiers rose up now you have the bandits I believe they could have strategized more to be able to defeat them just as they did Boko Haram And reduce some of the currencies. So yes, that's when the nearest administration out We continue from where they stop so in terms of infrastructure Uh, they have done where number two for me When it come to our primary election If you monitor this very well, you'll notice another candidate came together unanimously They allow power to go to the south. I don't know what to be more progressive than that This is what PDP could not do But our modern governors stood in unity and said no We have been in power for the past eight years for the sake of equity justice and peace Let power go to the south and power went to the south. I think that is very progressive We need people who will not just be selfish Uh, their personal interests sometimes a lot of the times put the interests of the nation ahead to me. That is very progressive And you look at the party at large, you know, our women leader is a very young is a very young medical doctor The youth have a voice in the party So there are a lot that are going on where for the party and you know, we have to keep improving That's why we are still referred to as a developing nation There's so much to do and we'll keep doing that but I believe the party is a progressive party. Okay. Well Today we are talking about The the war as it were between parties and their supporters and all that but you Like a symbol, you know in the political terrain because you are young and everything So we are going to be talking a lot about you because it is what Nigeria could be that we see in you I hope you don't mind that Now now The all-progressives congress came to power in 2015 on a Three-legged stool if you if you may corruption security economy Now everything we hear about the apc government or most of the things that we hear about the apc government now is infrastructure But we're trying to see where that infrastructure And the three legs on which the apc came into power Married or where the merge Was there infrastructure that will help in the fight of corruption? We don't seem to see was were there infrastructures that will help in making the economy better We don't seem to see where the infrastructure that will help in making security even better than we're finding it right now We don't seem to see so how Is infrastructure that is being peddled now such a good mark for apc You can't talk about infrastructure without infrastructure that affected the economy What affects the economy when you see people have money to spend? So when you like Nigeria The bridge that was just commissioned or that's about to be commissioned by the president Billions of naira was put into it. There were a lot of youth people who worked people who supplied businesses Who made so much money out of that single? Project so if a structure in a way does affect the economy positively again when it comes to the issue of insecurity I believe one of the reasons that A lot of people feel this administration did not do so where it's as a result of insecurity But let's not forget that When the president took over office Bukur Aram and bonding was was was heavy in the nation That has been defeated. Of course It's hard to see rules of banditry rules of the issue of esmerals of I believe they could have done more and I repeated me say it but this administration is winding down. We have just For the few few days from now election will be conducted in another one or two months a new administration will come in The focus is nice. What is this new administration going to do to end this? We can try over speed make what what this president did not do what he campaigned to do and What he refused or could not do but you know in every every nation when politicians campaign There's hardly any president or government would tell me everything they campaign they were able to to achieve But many times they face opposition Many times these don't go as the plan. Well, at least we see that they they make progress If there's one thing I've come to know about question then more moderate is a man.  You have ten and durians go and vote for who you think is the best candidate Even though I don't like that as a person But you go out there and tell you vote for the best and one of the reasons I believe he allowed The battery design is because I'm sure I'm saying I'm sure this my personal opinion But the cbn government must have Told him that this will help fight corruption free affair election and they have proved it So it's a man that I believe really hates corruption He may not have been able to do it to the best of What he intend to do like with every administration with every president out there Who sometimes they want to do but they are incapacitated because of opposition You know, so They did well But mark will be done. We are still developing and if you look at the manifesto the strategy of our president candidate Is quite Different for what he can pay for He is a an economist a strategist. I believe baller metin will be improve The economy in israel. I am so confident in that I will be so sub I will not be surprised if things begin to change I will be surprised if things don't change But this is a man that is very strategic This is a man that Is very smart. He has vision and he knows how to use talent. That is very key getting the right people around you I believe that's one thing that affected president momentary. They may have been some wrong people in the midst Who did not do what they were supposed to do But I should have you is one man who understands talents Who understand vision and is able to get the right person When you hear people who were in his administration when it was governor You hear how he picked them most of the people he don't know This is not just about I know you come and work for me or come and be the administration Most were recommended never met but as soon as he saw this person can deliver He brought them in and he did so well in Lagos to today that his legacy is there People talk about Lagos and he starts from him. There were governors before him You know, he had people talking about those Those governors, but from him things began to change and Lagos is what it is today So with that mindset, I believe is going to do even more and better If elected president well a lot of those issues are debatable, but um That's not um, well if we have need to revisit them We will revisit them if we have the time But right now we're back to you youngest presidential aspirant of the apc It sounds like a memory verse if if you ask me So please walk us through your experience Contesting with people who could have been your fathers and grandfathers knowing that Even from the time of pcp to this time especially You were you were very young, you know Less than 40 something In fact at the time you contest as first you were about 37 if i'm right Yes, okay, so so what was the experience like? Uh quite different the first time was uh You have some people who did not believe And of course I had so much people who believe in me my wife number one my trust members And a lot of friends that that was very uh, uh Helpful in pursuing this dream, but now crossing over to the bigger party. I must tell you it's totally a different ball game Being a candidate or an aspirant in smaller parties compared to the apc is like Driving a bicycle and driving a trailer at the center, you know, you need two different license To do that two different experience So during the apc you get to understand re-politics You get to see the way it is played you get to understand that Please are not just the way it is with the smaller parties and In as much as we talk with humor, we have to be learning we have to catch up immediately It's one of the reasons that that made me even step down because we could not catch up For example in reaching out to the delegates in the smaller party is quite different with a phone call and uh If you meet is you can meet with one or two persons and you've covered most of the delegates But when it comes to this bigger party There's a structure at a state level you have to go through all of that meet the delegates meet Supposedly some of the people who have influence over these delegates So it's not as easy for the bigger parties like the smaller parties Understanding this fact we began to restrategize we began to rearrange some of the things that That we did like I always I use this analogy to explain it I fly a lot But I always tell person what a pilot who sits on the cockpit From Lagos to Benin or Lagos to Abuja just this 13-linus flight You cannot compare it to the man who has been flying around the world But has never sat on the cockpit because the experience is quite totally different Just by sitting down On the plane. So that's that's the way I compare smaller parties and bigger parties the dynamics is different That joining these bigger parties, especially I call them political gladiators political Fathers These are men who have been important is even before some of us were born I wasn't really moved and bothered by that because this is democracy We don't have a equal rights free hand to go there and contest if there was only one thing I knew they have more than us And most importantly the fund the resources we were very limited in our resources But I never let that be a hindrance because if I think about the resources before we venture on this We were not even beginning the first place, you know, I didn't think much about that I just believe let's get started We'll see how it goes. That's how Obama got started. Obama started and nobody knew who Obama was He was just elected as a senator in Chicago. And before you know, it was one little town meeting The media gave him so much attention. All of a sudden became the president just overnight So I believe the same thing can happen. We don't need to to everyone used out there It won't be taking it to go into politics again The one I'm talking to you don't need to wait until all meeting is right Sussies your popularity everything is right before you begin the journey you can start And see how it goes if Obama wanted to wait for national popularity I'm sure it wouldn't have contested. I didn't know who he was He was just elected as a senator But one event brought him out to the landline and before you know it America ran around him And it became the first black president. So also for us as youth I believe something is going to happen and I am looking beyond 2023 that we're going to be able to get into power Unexpectedly, so if you're out there as a youth you're thinking about politics and you are limited in resources and popularity My advice to you is just get started Dr. Felix, like I did say when we return we'll be talking about some things that people say about you Now some have accused you of being a saboteur Who is only being used to scuttle the presidential ambitions of the competitors of a paid master widely rumored to be tillable For instance, let's say that in 2019 You were just brought into sabotage at tiku and the pdp votes. What will be your response to that? I'm so glad you you're asking this question There's been a video That has been trending out there for the past two three months now With this allegation first of all In the video they said I came second position. I did not come second position I was third in the in the election and The fact that they said I was put there to go and You know the cost pdp to lose if you follow that election you notice Few days before the election. I was actually with atiku And I had no relation or business with apc number three I got just only 110,000 votes There's no way if you add my vote to atiku atiku would have won that election So this is just uh, bloggers who have nothing to do and I will also say They know they are losing this election. They are just looking for excuses to go out there and uh, and run with it The funniest one is the fact that they said, uh As soon as pita will be came on board I decided to register zenith labor party and I am the candidate of zenith labor party I was positioned to go and cost pita will be to lose and I'm I'm surprised that People are believing this because I've received so much cause Anger people getting angry people confirming Nigeria's we are smarter than this For somebody to just go out there just put out something and we just believe it and run with it Yeah, missus me and this is where we get easily deceived by politicians You know, I'm not a candidate of zenith labor party and I did not register any party recently zenith labor party has been there for a long time Just the same way labor party has been there for a very long time Now I'm not a candidate. There's no resemblance in any of these two.  I have no connection to to labor party Uh, and to zenith labor party and I've not been paid. Let me make this clear We are not in apc supporting as you want you because I've been paid since the campus started I've not been giving a dime. I've not asked for I've not received a dime We are ready to spend our money to support as you want you That's how much we believe in this course. I'm believing him So anybody that thinks we're doing this because you have been paid you have been giving money as you want you as money Then you have to think again If you think labor party is the only party people are supporting youth energetic You you have missed it. We the youth in apc We are going all the way in whatever we can do to support to make sure she was you with We are going to do it because we believe it in him So that rumor is false. Every bit of it is false. The last one that was said that uh, uh, I came It was a mystic. Uh, there about it was not a mystic We did a lot of work during that 2018 election. Don't forget it just 110 000 votes I mean that's even too small with the work that we did youth believed in us Uh, the president Muhammad Bari signed the not too young to run the Bill into law and give us the opportunity. Nigerians were yearning for youth There were so much young people in the race and let me also clarify that Other candidates in my party like the senators and as of red that were on the same ballot Not on a different election the same paper. They did not come second position third Some did not even get good at all So this was a mystic it would have replicated in other candidates that were on the same ballot We did some work I wasn't big on social media like sure and the rest of them, but I went to the several states I went to schools. I went to churches. I did so much of the grand work that I did not put on social media That's why people thought We didn't do much. Why will you come third position never for don't forget the third position is just 810 000 votes when over 27 million people voted For somebody to come out there and carry a you know present search room or we're buying there Nigerians. I think we need to do way way better than this Okay, but last year you rallied 22 other apc aspirants or 21 something for a meeting with the flag bearer of apc ashiwajubola tino that was August or something there about what was the purpose of that Meeting what was it supposed to achieve? Yeah, the purpose was understanding the candidates was to be able to carry everybody alone You know In speaking to one or two of the candidates I feel some of them feel neglected You know, some of them want to be part of the campaign heavily And I thought it wise if we meet individually, you know, one of the aspirants went to court Uh, of course name who went to court. I felt in in democracy As and as democrats an election is over. Yes, there's pain. Yes, many of many people were hot I was hoped that my candidate did not win but you you you let that go We are now we have a candidate delegates have voted for this candidate And they believe is the best and we believe is the best all of us have what it takes to To to deliver but if the delegate chose him and with the amount of win 1200 I would be one delegate the second person and just 300 that tells you this was a landslide win It was too obvious that this is the right man for the job What we all need to do now is to rally rally So the first meeting was for us to to discuss So, you know, I'll be with everybody to see the assault. Let's join together. Let's win This election and another thing that brought it up for me. I was speaking with somebody Uh, I met him at the hotel lobby. Why were we talking? I was just complaining that my candidate did not win. I was not happy It's a young man. He just made a statement He said sir, your candidate may not have won. He may not have won the primaries But he see your party your party is going to win. He don't mean that exactly this is what we should be doing We are democrats We rally run Our candidate to make sure our candidates win and when he is elected as president I expect every 9 j right doesn't matter if you voted for him or not To join us together to make the country work because we're Nigeria's that's what we are fighting for You know, so that was the essence of the meeting And the next meeting was supposed to meet with uh, uh, the candidate so we can sit down and discuss We're still pushing. I'm believing before the election we have one of that I'm gonna be meeting with his excellency as she was doing To discuss the possibility the schedule is rigorous is tight But to discuss the possibility just to have a chat a meeting with With all the aspirants Just to tie this to um Why people have been saying that uh, you were not really serious about what you're doing is that In ajuran president is not by law supposed to have dual citizenship But you contested anyway with buddha nigerian and us uh passport. How did you feel that was going to work for you? No, you are you are allowed to you know by law you can be a dual citizen And run for president. What is important is you are in nigerian? I was born and raised in nigeria Uh by bet nigeria bloke flows in my vein I always say in in america If people want to ask you where you're from here, nobody asks if you're a citizen They ask you where you're from If you say you are an america, nobody will respond to that They want to know where did you come from because that's where you really are from So dual citizen is accepted in nigeria and I see my going to america as someone who went to learn I see it as going to his school to understand the system that works You know, and i've always said it for us to see a change in our country We need somebody not just who i've visited Somebody who have stayed in this nation Who have a taste of what it takes and you know i should have you was here too in america school year So when you hear him talking about some policies about the credit system student law It's because he understand it here. He has lived here. This is what works here I have a good credit. I can go right now and I have just a little amount of money. I'll buy a car I'll be paying gradually. I can go and buy a house. We just leave your money. I'll be paying gradually We have credit cards. I can go and use it and the pain. This is how america exists This is how america live. This is the system and we call it a great nation But my junior don't have everything is all cash If you don't have the complete money to buy a house, you will never be able to buy house Now we're wondering why we are so slow in development Every developed country from canada to europe to australia. This is the system they operate But we in africa, we don't operate that system. I don't know if it's an african dog The majority of the african nation you don't pay that system So when you hear somebody like him speak like that is because he has not just visited he has lived here He understand The system so I see my coming here as someone who went to be trained and coming back to nigeria now again for For a time like these when the ingerians like they use the word jackpot, you know running away from the country especially huge And here I am 41 years old Being in america You know established here returning back to my country It tells you that this is a heart of sacrifice. So for somebody to say He is not that serious That that is a I think that is an insult to our struggle or your belief in our effort We are working so hard to return back to nigeria in a time like this Most telling my brother is a huge huge sacrifice and that's because we want to serve Okay, let me give you let me take this final question that is about you Before we go back to what the The battle between candidates and supporters and all that is that's Supposed to be like the major thing we're talking about You are now the deputy national youth coordinator not actually the candidate And will never be the president in this dispensation I'm not talking about another one because you might contest again How do you hope to make your ideas work in this administration? Because we've seen situations where your party is going around the country campaigning and telling us how they will make things work And we are wondering why is it or how is it that People in the apc had such lofty ideas and they never gave it to the president to make sure nigeria works Are you going to hoard your own ideas as well to Wait for a time buy your time until when you have the opportunity to leave this country before You go and exhume your ideas or how are you going to make them work in an administration that is not directly yours? You know, you see every president has cabinet members every president Wrong with ideas if you look at When ashua drew went to london to chatter mouse When it was time for questions and answers You saw how he delegated people to respond. I was very excited because that's my kind of leadership It tells me this is not going to be a detector This is a man who's going to to which has been a strike record. Anyway, so I wasn't really surprised because people know him for this That's why when the news came out that he was afraid to answer question You know, it's had this mean that people were running with such news Now it's a man that we you know have people around him What we are praying for is for sure to have the rights people around him, which I know he's going to It's not left for us to bring up our ideas to bring up things to him Of course, we are not the candidates the candidate has his own mind and his own Vision, but whatever you think you can bring on ball As a suggestion to contribute to his administration A question ashua is going to listen. That's one of the things that abstracted me to him I remember what we met September 22nd We had a meeting there were some things I suggested to him and it took them And surprisingly somewhere put in place some are still, you know, still in the process That's what we need as president. It doesn't mean now It's going to take everything you see. No, but no No leader does because some may go at this once you want some may not be The right time But I believe as we share ideas with him in line with his vision I believe he's going to take them uh and run with it. Let me make this Very clear. There's going to be a change in ashua's administration Ashua is a man of vision. Ashua is a good man. I don't want Nigerians to forget this We need a good president somebody who has a political way to take decisions You know being a leader is not easy. You are going to face so much Opposition even within your party even within your cabinet members So you need you need somebody who with them the consequences and don't look at the faces of Those that may be around and make the right decision that will benefit the people That's who ashua do is we need a good man. We don't need a A weakling as a president. Somebody will be angry What's his name? Deborah was killed and The candidates of the pdp put out a post condemn it as soon as there was a little outreach from from the people Immediately was deleted. No, what is wrong is wrong If the debt of Deborah was wrong, it doesn't matter who is angry You make the statement very clear. That's the kind of goodness we're talking about You need somebody who will be able to stand and be policies Even in the midst of staggering opposition remain steadfast. That's who ashua do is and that's why I believe there will be a change In his administration because he will make sure what he wants is what will benefit the people Is this this boldness that you're talking about that he is trying to show us by choosing a muslim deputy Against the cries of Nigerians. He just wants to show us how bold it is Or you think that's the right decision that he should have taken at a time where the volatility in Nigeria has heightened because of the same religious sentiments and ethnic sentiments You see I'll call it boldness on the other hand boldness again to do what is right at the right time You see that in his decision. Why do I say that? This is the first time it's contested. The man has tragically waited all these years for the right time So he's not trying to be a former presidential candidate. He wants to win the election If you look listen to Bobby Taylor one who were the people who recommended Candidates they gave the pros the advantage of picking a muslim candidate disadvantage and also the advantage of Picking the christian vice presidential candidates and when the two Based on his whole calculation of other calculation. It is better to have a minority and a majority Where the problem is is nigerians have decided to divide us even apart from By trying even religiously you and I know the muslims in the south are considered minority When and how that come about? I don't know the christians in the north are considered minorities So to have two minorities in a national election in a presidential ballot It was not wise according to their calculation And that's why he picked a northern who is a muslim just to be able to balance the ticket So it not to spike a christian for Christ's sake this man His wife is a pastor and has been for years some of his children are christians So it's not somebody that we should be afraid of or you know if he's going to hurt the christians No, he would not You know don't forget we are voting for the candidate Is the power that the president gives the vice that is going to to to be able to use so for him as a candidate He's the one we are we that went to the primary election. He's the one that we uh the delegate chose Yes, he picks his vice presidential candidate, but the decision now is which is best which will give us this Uh election why do I speak it so that some people will be happy? No, again that brings me back to my other point making decisions that may not be popular But it's best for the society. That's what we need now as president Many people could have done otherwise and probably Going to the election and when campaigns start those begin to see the disadvantage of having two minorities In the in the on the ballot end up losing the election you begin to regret But there are times you need to make some bold decisions in this case. I'm comfortable with it Do I want it to be a Uh, the vice presidential candidate to be a christian, of course, but it doesn't end there They are going to be ministers who are going to be christians They I'm sure they are going to be some who are going to be pastors who are going to be in his cabinet And there are governors also in the country who are christians over eight governors in a pieces In a piece they are christian. So the vice presidential candidate being a muslim should not defy The totality of this man is just a political calculation To be able to win this election. Okay, right now. Um, let's talk about um, what is really happening Your principle as it is as shawadu has said that um The redesigning of the naira was aimed at him fuel scarcity was aimed at him And el rufa also came up governor el rufa of kaduna state also came up and said that they They are fifth columnist within asorok trying to work Hard to make sure that as shawadu does not succeed Now is it his Strength being tried or is there really a problem in the apc that we need to know? Like every organization There are always issue issue come up The ability to manage crisis is what makes you a leader. Yes This issue has come up. It is obvious when you listen to somebody like el rufa a governor close to the president Close to the leader I don't think that man will come out and say And you know release our statement if you have no credible evidence and prove that this is true And but when you look at it generally, why is this don is searching his at this time? The this could have been done since june before the primary election This could have been done since may last year or better see Wait until after the election Why do why doing it now not just now? You're you're you're taking out the old currency from circulation and you're not putting the new one into circulation Who do you think people are gonna be angry at of course apc? Yeah, they're gonna be angry even though it's not as you have used policies Even though it's not as you have do that is doing it The general statement would be apc apc is doing this to us And shiwaju apc is doing this to us Of course it's going to affect him If I may if I may doctor Yes, are you insinuating that the president is working against a shiwaju because The president is the minister of petroleum The president is the chairman of a committee that has been set to make sure that a fuel is available to Nigerians The president is the one who gave the note they go ahead for the governor of the central bank God willing may fairly to do the redesigning of the notes Every finger on these things that we are talking about points to the president And if there is someone who is working against a shiwaju Through fuel scarcity and redesigning of the naira the president is responsible Are you saying that the president might be working against a shiwaju? Just for So who could do that those things that we are talking about right now because lai mohammed also He practically lives in asu rock aro file. Like you said is close to the presidency fine He goes to asu rock. He is close to the president himself But lai mohammed is a minister of information in these administrations and he came out to say there are no fifth columnists All of them are in apc. All of them are in this government. Who do we believe? Okay, again Let me make it clear the president is not working against a shiwaju on saturday The president was in asu rock. We have family support If you look at the campaign schedule, the president would be being emo the president would be in Lagos The president is campaigning and is telling nigerians to vote for a shiwaju But understand the the procedure here like comedy Atom social modeling stated on sunday on china's television we believe That the cbm government must have told the president That redesigning the niger notes is going to stop corruption in this election And if you know president mohammed barry when he hears corruption the man wakes up because he hates corruption But do you think it will do you think it will stop corruption in this election? No, that's that's the i'm sure that's the message that was given to the president that If we redesigned the niger notes probably those who stuck up the money up We don't have the money to spend and as a result the president gave the go ahead to make sure the niger note is redesigned But on the other hand the president I don't think the president was aware that nigerias are suffering Even the new currency is not in circulation. This is the problem we have If you stop the old naran怒 Make sure there are new naran notes out there. I'm sure there were new naran notes This is not about apc The only reason why we're angry is you're trying to make apc look bad few days to the election so that nigeria's way Will be angry the broad beaver the complaint about beaver as if we were scared of beaver Now they have seen that we are going to walk the election beaver actually helped in our state election now you saw a Candidate the former governor as we claim his position back because the beaver is working for us. We are going about the campaigning We are letting our dreamers know that they look for a different strategy to cost frustration by redesigning the naran Why they helped me? I draw this out. You know, I was just on a rice TV not to dog. This is the old 100 dollar bill this was changed years ago, but he still is a coalition now They have the new one that did not stop this overnight When you break out a new currency, you don't just put policy You have 10 days to go and drop your money. It's supposed to be a gradual process Banks will no longer be releasing the old naran notes to begin without the new one. Yes, doctor You touched on something you touched on something Old naran notes. And yes, you have no uh, uh, uh, new naran notes to give to the people and you spend the people to be happy with Yes, you see that's where the people is. Yeah, I quite understand doctor. Just a moment I believe because I know you will not just come out to speak I quite understand, uh, the frustration I quite understand what what you're talking about giving the apc a bad name But aside from that, um This is like a legacy project for president mohammad buhari, but i'm asking you a personal question It's probably a yes or no answer. Do you think the redesigning of the naran notes Will curb corruption in any way in this election? I don't think you would come any corruption What is what what are we even talking about when it comes to uh, corruption? Is it the responsibility of cbn to provide corruption? That's the question mentally was going to run for president under our party If you are the candidate, we'll be excited. This is going on. We have to just be fair. This is a democratic society Are we really allowed this to happen if he was the candidate of our party? Everybody's angry with apc. Even me that is not even the administration. I have no business. I'm even suffering the same thing Three days that can even wire send any money. I'm sure the network are all jammed up people are angry with everybody Apc as if we are the cause of it. That's why I know that the lee uh Irifan there are people there, but guess what? Here's the news flash and here's the good news to all apc We are winning this election and like everybody said after the election We're gonna call those names out and I can't wait to hear who those people are. We're gonna win this Name calling we've been hearing about name calling. We've been told Boko Haram people There's a list of people who sponsor them. We've not heard it That we've been told a lot of times names that should be In public glass so that we know a lot of things, but we've not heard them. That's not the issue I'll I'll just ask um this This other problem of the president going to some states in the north like kanu katsina And we hear and we've seen some videos that it was pelted and they've been a war of words between the uh dogara of the pdp and also Festus kiamo who is of your pcc the apc pcc Now, I don't know which side you stand. I don't know which What word you would have for situations like that the world that is going on between supporters of these candidates And what really happened in the north just briefly before we take a a break for the news Of course, I I stand with kiamo when I stand with my party And the dogara mentioning that the president is joking because he endorsed the candidate I I don't think that should be coming out of of uh Somebody smart in the heat of campaign few days to election The president out of his busy schedule went to nasa now to campaign and you said he said he's joking joking about what you know So I started with our party on this time like I like I tell people They have written ideas, you know, this is political season.  This is going to happen What is your look at look beyond the job you look beyond the neck calling look beyond the attack And look at the issue. Who is the right person for the job because this is going to happen all over the world all over the world This is my job. It's no exception. I still have dr. Nicholas philis talking with us here on the show Dr philis not only is a politician, but he's also a cleric who has a very Big christen center if I must say that so right now I'm jettisoning the fact that he belongs to apc and I'm just talking to him as a concerned Nigerian And also someone who controls people from the pulpit and that I do not mean just being a christian. I mean clerics of all religions what they need to do first of all, let's start with political followership It's been a very consistent thing in our polity that we follow politics like people follow clubs football clubs It doesn't matter what is happening. People don't even want to enjoy the football. They just want to see their team win so In your capacity as a man of god Not a politician now How do you think Is or politics is supposed to be played By citizens of a country who want their country to work Especially if they are men and women of faith How do we now marry faith?  You don't need to get into politics And that's what you see then the church is suffering today The church is just waking up just like the youth are waking up also So I encourage everyone out there pastors You know christians And uh to get into politics This is not the case with the muslim because they're already very much involved I would love to also call them in but they're already there But for us as christians we need to get into politics Even the bible clearly declares when they wicked rule the people suffer When they write just rule the people rejoice If you don't go into politics and you allow those who don't mean well for the country To get into power your prayer point in nigeria will increase That's why today there are things we're praying for in nigeria that we are not supposed to be praying for Look at how god has shown us favor as a nation bless us with minimal resources natural oil And all of that and yet we are disturbing him every day with prayers because we have not managed it well Supposed to be one of the most blessed nation on earth today But because the the good people are venture out of politics And that's why we are we are here today So I encourage everyone out there to get into politics Politics is not a dirty game people just play it dirty So when you have clean people go into politics, they'll play it clean and if the good people refuse to join politics Uh, I think we're going to pay the price. So there's nothing wrong Uh for even pastors who get into politics There's nothing wrong in pastors now and calling to your members who want for various offices So we can cause a change in the land Okay, what about the youths especially youths of nowadays the gen z's and the other ones? That we're seeing Patience is a virtue that is not so common nowadays And the youth think the political terrain is fertile enough to accept the youths with this kind of attitude with this kind of disposition Do you think the Nigerian youth is ripe enough to go into politics with the situation in the political Structure and terrain right now in Nigeria and if they are ripe enough What do they need to do because you are a youth yourself and If you can't do it, they too can do it. So what are some tips for them? Yes, if I can do it, you definitely can do it even more. Now to the youths, I always say this because I notice Uh, there are a lot of candidates, especially those who are in the liberal party movement They get very very very insulting. They attack you from left and right This is not how we are going to learn our politics Especially you see youth attacking fellow youths because we don't support your candidates Sometimes I would wonder if they know that this is democracy. This is not dictatorship We have three leading candidates And as in Nigeria, we all have our legal right moral right to vote and support wherever we want to support You know, so if they must take us serious, we must be very calculating all these insults on social media Nobody's going to take us serious I don't want it to get to where now the Nigeria youth are categorized as very irresponsible people That's what many of us are standing out that We are not the average Nigeria youth who go out there insulting people who go out there and don't take responsibility And you know to do the right thing. No, there are still people out there Nigeria youth Who are ready to take over the party who are on the same race with them Ready to take over when the time is right.  I see what you want the the the election I'm Verified by inec certified by inec. I was giving the ticket to run under the platform We all have the right to vote for him if we so choose to and I must say it's the best candidate that we give the youth a voice I know that for sure. That's why I'm here on this platform company for him So for youth out there to be insulting, you know, making jest of them Some people making mockery is is it's so wrong and today you see people talking about his hair talking about his age To grow old is a blessing. Let's not make mockery of that. We have to be more Responsible than this. We are better than this as youth in Nigeria We don't want to be classified people who are not serious You think she's only there is going to help you think because you have data You can go and insult people. That's how you are going to cross the chain No, you will not cross the chain like that rather than still put you at the back Before you know it next election will come and the same to repeat itself We have to be more serious. No need to be insulting people. Let's get on the issues If you feel your candidate is the best, let me know why is you think is the best? I will also explain to you why my is the best not need to be insulting And dragging people calling names and all manner of things that is very wrong. We need to do better than this Yes, thank you for that munition. But um, is the political Ground fertile enough for the youths what are some of the things that you did before you broke into The the the arena so to speak that you are seeing yourself right now What are the steps that you needed to take because some youths may not even know how to go about it If they want to belong or they want to participate very well in politics Some have had the impression that politics needs a lot of money, which they don't have Some have the impression that politics needs a lot of connections We they may not have and so on and so forth. So tell us describe to us how easy or otherwise It will be for a youth for a young man or a young woman to break into the political scene and make a name The first thing is your drive your passion the reason That's the reason I will keep you in politics. That's why in 2019 the most of the candidates have quit politics because It's brutal. This is not a joke. It's not for the weakling. It's not for weak people You have to be you have to be bold. You have to be ready to take up Issues attacks left and right. So that's the first step and what is your passion? What is your drive? Are you just going there to eat from the national key or you're just going there for your name? You will not survive the political arena for me My passion is the the desire to cause a change the need for a change I see you every day people are yearning. They are just waiting for you to get there So you can cause a change. This is what is keeping me on So number two, you don't need to wait to have a lot of money You need to have a vision to get into the political race number three again You cannot be insulting these people and you want them to open it up for you That's one of the things some people don't know when it comes to politics Yes, they are not doing some of the things that ought to be done But you need to be able to get on board to be able to make the change You don't have to be president to begin a change. You can be a counselor Start making change the effective change from there a house of rep member Whatever position you find yourself at the moment, but going out there is something that we have Candidate today. I don't want to mention the who every body in Nigeria.  If it's up to him arrest all of them send them to do all of this You will never get access to be able to cause the change You will just become frustrated out of the game. So the first thing is to be able to come in I understand there are so much to be done. I understand that Everything is not working right. Identify a few persons that may be doing good here and there Take example like the governor of Oregon State It's one man I saw who has done great things in this in this state I mean compared to all that he has did well Because the governor of national state is a man one of the governors I see a lot of youth even in their 20s in his administration You are honest people like that. They may not be the best. They may not have done everything So right for the fact that this man commissioner of youth and sport is a young man. I know him very well You have a lot of commissioners who are young people. These are young men Governors you can associate me, you know draw close to them so that they can pull you in and gradually get your Your self in for going on social media Inserting them making money of them. All of them are evil. They should all die It's not going to work. We will never make it like that. We'll keep doing the same thing before you know it Those who were 30 Company now they are in their 50s. They are in their 60s That will be we're looking for a new generation to come up If this generation don't get it right we will never be able to make it there And the further we go it gets worse. You need to prepare them self now and get on the court Get on the raise with them. So we'll be able to take over so they can prepare the future for us and also prepare us For the future but all this is sort of out there, you know Or the only thing we have time for social media and insulting people who don't believe in your candidate We need to do better than these as you Okay, thank you very much. Dr. Felix for coming on the show. Dr. Felix is a national youth coordinator apc PCC. Thank you very much for being a part of our program Thank you for having me. It was so nice hanging around with you. Do you see? Okay, like I said, Dr. Felix is a deputy national youth coordinator apc PCC he is a cleric, but is also a politician and is admonishing everybody that When good people are in power the people will rejoice and who are you if you're good? You should be in power. You should struggle to be in power so that your people will rejoice if you're bad Well, that's matter for another day. Well, this is our Nigeria. No matter how biting the condition might be wherever you stand These two shall pass. Let's take everything one day at a time. We will survive this And you should not take laws into your hands because you don't find the naira or you don't find the fuel God might also be using it to talk to you that you should stay one place enjoy less and save more And you know a lot of other things will be added on to you but the main thing is that we have 18 days 19 hours and 35 minutes to the presidential election If you have not prepared yourself do so now With all the things that you need to do do them so that that day you can vote for a candidate of your choice It's been a wonderful run with you guys Let's do it again tomorrow morning at 11 o'clock. My name is Nyam Gul Agadji on behalf of the entire team saying bye for now


Last night's movie was a great introduction into the purpose of relationship. And I might take a note here today that of course the miracles is a very practical tool. At one point Jesus says, don't be afraid, you're not going to be hurled into reality. That's good, none of us will be hurled into reality. And I have, over the years of working of course for 30 years, I have had people that come to me and they go, oh I've done these special relationships that I'm never getting into another special relationship ever again in my life. But they don't understand, it's like a fish thing, you know, I'm not going to be in water ever again, making a pronouncement. No, the whole cosmos is projection of specialness. So it's really, that's what the matrix is, it's just specialness projected. And so basically Jesus, the Holy Spirit, your intuition is very practical, it's not planning to throw you into eternity from time and space.  As we work with the spirit we have to keep giving our skills and abilities and attractions and preferences and judgments over to the Holy Spirit. Saying, surely you can make better use of this than I did. And the spirit's like, oh yeah, I can break your world up, but you have to give me everything that the ego made. So the Holy Spirit can use what the ego made for what? For reinterpretation. That's what all this is about. We're asking for a reinterpretation of the world. We're saying here it was full of guilt and shame and pain. We give it back now, we do a very good job, it's been very dark. We give it back to you to lighten it. So if you work with the Course of Miracles, the Holy Spirit will use your special relationships. Meaning everything about your life and forms, including the body. We use the special relationships to point back towards holiness. You aren't going to be leapfrogging over specialness. Just like the fish is not going to just leaping out of the water and then go take off flying in the air. The fish has got a journey in water and it's going to be in water. We have seen it when fishes get washed up on the shore. Whether it's dolphins or whales or different types of fish, they don't do well on the sand. Humans had to move them back into the water and we are going to be working in the context of the water. We're working in the context of discussion. Even with all the skills and abilities that you have as a human being, those were all developed in an ego context. The Spirit is perfect. It doesn't have, it doesn't need skills and abilities. Or what? It's already perfect. So these skills and abilities have been developed in an ego framework. And then the Spirit will use them to extend the experience of love and light and joy in there. So it's going to be going from a sense of fear and guilt and shame and pain into the Spirit's use of special relationships. And that he even calls your special function. You will be given a special function with the skills and abilities that you seem to have developed in an Earth framework. So last night's movie was a great example of the progression of content over form. Where it was a progression in relationship to a deeper experience of connection at the end of the movie. There was a very strong feeling of connection at the end of the movie. Tonight's movie will actually show you a progression of communication towards higher and higher levels of communication. Now that's really what this experience on planet Earth is about. It's giving yourself permission to go into higher and higher levels of communication.  The purpose is to go higher and higher. Now we have a lot of religions that are dualistic religions and they say this is morally right, this is the world is wrong. You should be in this box and never go in that box and do these things and don't do these things. Here's the rules and we'll get back to heaven. But it's going to be very slow if you try to do it through the boxes. Because it's all about raising the frequency, raising the level of communication. Deeper, deeper, higher and higher levels of communication. Today in the world of technology we have a lot of young people around the world who are buying their computers and their iPads and their little iPhones and they're doing gaming. Don't you know kids love gaming. And what they love about gaming is there's a challenge to it. They like ever increasing complication of gaming. So they take the level level one, level two, level three, level four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, ten. Kids love it. It's going to change the way people can learn. People don't want to go to student classrooms and have somebody out there talking to them and taking tests. It's not good. The old way of education is going by by. Because the children want something that's entertaining, that's challenging and that they can progress in. A lot of times children like to progress in their gaming exploits more so than material rewards. You can offer money, you can offer all kinds of things. They got a challenge. And you might say spiritually too it's about raising your level of awareness. Working with the spirit to raise your level of awareness. And that's what it's about. Now we have many phenomena in this modern times. In the old days we had movies and people would go out on a date. Now we have things like TV where you go and you can meet 10, 15 people. You can see how this will help speed things up. In 15 years going, was I thinking? Was I thinking really? They actually go through speed dating and it makes it speed the whole thing up a lot better. Maybe we will develop apps for our phones and iPads that will help us with this raising our level of communication. We know that if you want to get better at a sport you are supposed to play up. You play somebody who is good or better than you if you want to improve your skills in a correct way. Maybe that's what we should be doing with our relationships. Playing up.  What did I waste 15 years doing here? And the other thing is about this longevity. We've got things here about how long you've been married. You've had a silver anniversary and a gold anniversary and a diamond anniversary. You shouldn't get a reward for how long you keep the bodies under the same roof. What? What's the vibrational communication going on here?  You wasted 75 years. I was trying to get a hold of you so we could improve some depth and improve your level of communication and you can stuck in the same house for the same person for 75 years. Don't get some kind of reward for that. You simply punish yourself for 75 years because if we're grown girls, wow, 75 years, that's an amazing accomplishment. Jesus says, no, minds are joined, bodies do not. It's called Jesus. Minds are joined, bodies do not. No bonus points for bodies together. That was a different generation. A younger generation ain't going for it. So this movie is good because this movie we're watching tonight will make use of technology. Last night we got to follow the main character climate. These things already, these she gets was all around it, all kinds of ones already. And then we got to watch through her relationship progress. Tonight we're going to have the main character by watching Phoenix. He basically, he's going through a divorce. He's separated from his wife so he's going through emotional issues that come during a divorce and separation. So he's done his job but he's going through a lot of emotional issues and how will the Holy Spirit help him? He will help him with an operating system. Just like if you have a computer or a smartphone, the device has an operating system. Well this is going to be one great operating system. Scarlett Johansson, the voice of Scarlett Johansson is going to be his operating system. And she's going to bring him back to life. She's going to help him work through those emotional things that he's stuck on. And she's going to help him open up his heart. And then the movie will go on much beyond that. Just like last night's movie just kept going and going and going and going. Because this movie is about raising the level of communication. On this planet, when we think of people like Einstein, you know, Einstein seemed to be with his level of thinking. He seemed to be on a level that was way above the norms. I mean Einstein would drop out of school because he was too bored to school. His mind was so far ahead of what they were teaching in school. He was going through the further reaches of learning. And we can say that with a lot of things in spirituality. You know, if you don't want a religion that will just placate you with theology, or try to prop you up, or try to just make you comfortable, you want a spirituality that will stretch your mind and help you grow and expand in consciousness and awareness. You want interactions with people that are helping you grow and expand in awareness, taking you back towards that oneness of pure spirit. And so this is really good in this movie. We will see that evolution throughout the movie. And to me this is a great reflection of what we're all calling for. We're all calling for that expanded state of awareness. We know it's not a theology. It's not something we can just read out of a book and memorize. We have to open ourselves to stretch the expanded into higher and higher states of awareness. It also brings in Alan Watts. Is anyone familiar with Alan Watts? Oh, it's so sweet that he's incorporated into this movie. Because Alan Watts in this movie represents a higher order of thinking. Some of us who've been embraced by hearing some of his talks, you feel that presence comes through. The presence will come through in this movie. But it comes in, it's woven into the storyline in a very unexpected way. And our main character will have to face a lot of things that came up, the jealousy of it when we talk about it. Alan Watts is a spiritual teacher. And he comes more from, I would say, more like an Eastern perspective, but very engaging, brilliant spiritual teacher. So when you're watching this movie and Alan Watts gets introduced into the plot line, you'll have an idea like what's coming. Okay, at least that's to get introduced. Okay, I think that's good. I think we'll show them the movie. And I may pause it a few times, but we'll really cover it. I think we're quite as serious for that. The point is here. At least give us the metaphysical interpretation we need more quickly. He's going through divorce. He's lonely. He's driving to distract himself. He can't sleep in the middle of the night. Some of you can't sleep too, but you're up for good reasons. There's the spirits really stirring it up. He's very lonely. And so this is good to take note. This is his level of communication here. When you're lonely, your vibration is down pretty low. And you'll do desperate things, right? He's in there. So this is good because he needs help, and he's going to be looking for something to help bring him up, as all of us have done when we get those time to talk. So you see, of course, it's going to get good now. You're going to feel lonely, and you're going to be reminded of it. But basically, first she was joining the book club, remember, because she wanted to study physics, because of that remark. She was thinking, I don't have a body, so she was feeling like she was missing something, not getting a body. So she studied physics to expand the horizons and consciousness. And now this is very much like trying to have a reason. So this is expanded. This is expanding beyond the, basically, it's going from exclusion to inclusion, but it's pushing him beyond his comfort zone. And this happens, of course, in relationships on planet Earth. So it's going to start to progress pretty quickly now, as this is the point of the movie, where we're going to start to see the consciousness raising up higher and expanding, having to, because it has to be able to encompass what's occurring. And it's really, the world is just reflecting what's occurring. So this is what I was starting to talk about at the beginning. This whole realm is a realm of specialness. So even though he and his operating system really were getting one and having a very flowing communication, this is the realm where there are bodies. We're dealing with bodies. We're dealing with body thoughts. So this is going to be a full, it's going to take a full, complete resurrection of the mind to come back to spirit, because as long as you're dealing with body thoughts, what I'll call them, you're going to be dealing with guilt. You're going to be dealing with guilt in the realm of the body thoughts. But remember, it's the Holy Spirit's test to purify the mind, not to take from you what was made. It's like it's going to have to be a reinterpretation of everything that the ego made, including the body. So this is not something that you can just try to skip over things with. There's going to be, you might say, a lot of guilt that will come up. And what seems to be relationships in this world, he just has gone through that relationship with his wife, having thoughts of her, and divorcing her. And there's a lot of sadness still there, a lot of issues coming up. And now the operating system's the man that he's really, it's a real sense of feeling like an aliveness with the world. And it seems helpful for him, but as soon as the circuit seems to come in, it just jolted him again, because he's got this communication flow going, and yet it's with an operating system who doesn't have a body. And as soon as the circuit comes in, then there's an awkwardness, because he has judgments about that. And those are the same judgments in the mind where we believe that there is such a thing, a physical realm that's apart from our consciousness. But we believe matter is solid, and mind is not, and that our thoughts are different from the world.  That's the split of consciousness between the observer and the observed. It's all unified. It's really all one experience, but as long as that split is in consciousness, there's going to be guilt. Because there is no split, and now we've got to bring in a split. It's just all pure oneness, and it's all unified awareness in terms of forgiveness. So at this point, you could say it's been like a step of him starting to recover from his sadness around his wife, and starting to open up. And in this experience, you know, the old lying house company increased the crowd. This was a kid's new meaning to that. I would assert it's sex partner for the operating system, but still, you know, this is just another version of that inclusion-exclusion thing. Like, he's perceiving, he was a bit shocked when she wanted to do this experiment, so to speak, because he was like inviting someone else in. And remember their first kind of sexual experience was feeling like the whole world just disappeared. It was just us too. And we've all gone through those experiences of feeling, wow, it's just us. And the whole world's gone. And only us, but there's more than that. Because of us still involved bodies, and it still involves guilt, and it really isn't the vastness of who we are. So now I'm just going to start picking up, because this has been like the first major issue that has come into his relationship with the operating system. But she's already expanding, growing, reading, exploring, physics, and beginning to open up. And that's the best part of all this, is that, vibrationally, you start to see reflections of where your consciousness is, and it will start expanding. That's always for the good. Even though emotionally it can be challenging for the ego that expanding your awareness is always helpful. It's always a movement in the right direction. This upgrading allows us to move past matter as our processing platform. So really nothing's gone wrong. It's just advancing rapidly just a fear of loss coming up. Talking to anyone else while we're talking is a good thing. It's simultaneous. It could be simultaneous. Now he's like, this is where the exclusion gets right in. You know, when higher communications and the idea of talking, are you talking to anyone else while we're talking? He's trying to drive me out of the state. Now this is what I've talked about. This is where it's going. So it's good to have a movie like this. That's our second nice movie. It's even cool blowing some air. So they have a body or not. Yeah, it's best to open the possibilities when you think about your life, how you use your life to expand your communication, deepen your communication and have that be a priority over the things that seem to be so important to this world. I think that that movie helps us put things into a perspective. You're saying just hearing her voice now you're interested in Lucy. Yeah. I saw a huge preview. Yeah, it says what's your appetite for it? And that's partly what we have this site moviegoers who watch this Guide to Enlightenment is hearing about through these experiences of watching movies, to start to open up to possibilities of how you can use your life in time in order to expand. Because you can see there's a threat there in terms of exclusivity. It kind of came pretty much towards the end of the movie, but it was how many people are you talking to now? She said she was having simultaneous conversations and then are you in love with anyone else? Yeah. And then how many you know just kind of kept in just the look on his face you know, it's really for all of us because we have to let go of our preconceptions we're being taken higher and higher and higher and that's our journey. That's what it's all about. Our journey really isn't about clinging to the past or clinging with such a familiar or even clinging to our self-image because everyone who seems to come to this world wears a mask and so we don't have to deny that, but we can say maybe just maybe the Holy Spirit will start exchanging some masks in a way that it won't be hurled back into eternity. It won't be hurled beyond time and space, but we will be given opportunities to loosen from the masks that we've been wearing and perhaps put on some more expensive masks and there's still masks but that's how we wake up you know, we have to go through expansion and this movie is good because it's starting to start to see, wow, okay I can see through the context of this movie that I just need to be open and welcome some of the things that the Spirit is calling me to as we shared before says in the Course in Miracles many answers you have received but have not heard we've just been afraid to hear the answers that are already in our own hearts the answers are already there but we have to be ready to hear them we have to be ready for new ideas there was a part of the movie where in the end what he just said he said there's something I have to talk to you about I don't want to hear you know, that's the human condition I don't want to hear because I travel around the world and read all these Course in Miracles now all these countries that can be a thing like how can I hear the voice of the Holy Spirit because they sense from being a Course that would be extremely valuable to be instructed by the Holy Spirit guided by the Holy Spirit but the thing that's underneath that is real honesty around the question do I want to hear if there's a threat to the world that's been constructed or a threat to the identity that's been constructed and is being held on to then the answer to that question would be no no go away and I have experienced in my life that as I was very eager and willing that because of my willingness the lessons just came so fast they came rapidly one step to the next step to the next in the early years a lot of times I would start to feel take a certain step or a certain leap and it seemed like a giant leap to me and yet when I really got my willingness to take the leap that I was being asked to take I landed pretty nicely and I was like oh that wasn't so bad and then another one another leap that wasn't so bad either so you see that's where the trust can start to build some things that were nudged and prompted to do or say some steps to take that ego is saying no way that's too risky to doubt don't even consider it don't even go with it and the spirits like telling us you know this will build your confidence take this step it may seem risky to the ego to trust and your confidence and so slowly in my life it felt like I was again taking more of the leap than landing in another leap okay you know the things that you could not even imagine doing or following suddenly becomes pretty easy you know like wow that would have scared me in the past but that leap doesn't scare me anymore and that's how the spirit wants us to go in that direction building that trust there's one point and of course the miracles where Jesus said the Holy Spirit needs happy learners isn't that interesting the Holy Spirit needs happy learners in other words the more confidence I gained from my leaps the more I thought wow this is great this is bringing me everything I ever wanted and then the more confidence I had in that the happier I became and then the happier I became the more the Holy Spirit is like now we're talking now we can really get going towards this forgiveness thing when we're limited and when we're fearful it seems like such a difficult task to forgive these grievances seem like stone walls you know these etched grievances where it's like a stone wall a little hammer where it is chipping away at the stone wondering how is this grievance ever going to go this is so easy built it seems to have been built over so long how is that going to go and yet when we really start to get into the happiness of taking the steps with the Holy Spirit feeling that confidence building that trust it grows stronger and stronger especially like a momentum that builds and the momentum grows stronger and stronger and we start to smile at the Holy Spirit the ego is on his days are numbered because we see the might and the glory of the Holy Spirit joined with our willingness there's always places in the chorus where it says your little willingness little willingness there's many many references to little willingness but then you get back to the manual for teachers something like it takes great willingness to see that every invent and counter and circumstance is for your own good you know that's where the great part comes in when we start to realize it's all working for the good and always has been every single thing even down to the minute detail in your perceived life in this world has been working together for the good but with the dark filter of the ego we were judging against it oh this hasn't happened oh I blew that you know we start to build up all these all these grievances how we could have done it differently I just had that moment just had that moment back again two's again we're still carving on what went wrong we don't really have the clue that it's all been working together for us that we just misperceived there was something against us against us that's a very interesting line from the Bible that was ever a Bible scholar really got a little some inspiration here and there one of the lines was if God is with us who can be against us if you don't even like the word God just think if love is with us what can be against us if joy is with us you see if we flip the switch and we start to build the confidence in that small still voice that intuitive inner guide that we have and we start to gain confidence then we turn the corner and then we start to feel all the ego's days are numbered that after a millennium walking in the darkness we take our heads down walking along in a very depressed dark feeling suddenly there's hope there's a ray of light if you look at Plato's cave analogy if you go back to the ancient Greeks which predate Jesus Plato put down a very famous cave analogy where there's a cave and it's very dark and there's all these prisoners that are chained in the cave and then there's this blazing light outside of the cave like a big fire and there are puppeteers with marionettes and they're doing their puppeteer moves out there in front of the light and the shadows from the fire and the puppeteers are being cast into a cave wall and the prisoners are all chained there and all they can see is the cave wall but all they know are shadows and that's what these things are everything we perceive in the world are just shadows coming from the projected from the light of the mind through the shadow of dark thoughts of the ego so the prisoners all they know of life is what is on that cave wall they know nothing else and so in the famous cave allegory one of the prisoners finally escapes from the cave gets out of the shack goes out and sees the fire and sees the light and is so excited about the fire sees the whole puppet show everything for what it is that he's so excited he comes back in to tell the prisoners about the cave wall what's going on and they kill him because all they believe is about those shadows coming along so he seems like he's crazy speaking about the light and all this stuff and it's interesting throughout the years of the human history the prophets, the avatars, the saints many have been killed we're talking about love and light because it's a dark world of shadows but time has come now as I was saying to have a spectacular miracle that's really what our calling is we have been called to the light we have been called to be the bringers of the light to represent the light the messengers of the light not in our words alone but in our attitude it's our attitude that has to be there because if we don't have that attitude then our words will fall on deaf ears like little children when their parents talk and they watch very closely to see if the parents emulate the words that are spoken and if they do there's great trust they grow up very loving and trusting in history if there's hypocrisy they will turn they'll be gone as a teenager more earlier they will not hang around for a parent who's not everybody their word so yeah this this movie tonight feels like some real good good higher awareness therefore that's how we should use our discussions I mean we know how it can go in this world we saw in this movie when he was distracted and depressed how he just kind of wasted his time looking for some scraps of something to distract him away from the emptiness that he felt in his heart that's really a waste of time when we get into the depression we get into the the darkness when we get into the guilt then we're just biting our time we're just going through the motions and it's really we could say it's not really time as well spent as it could be but when we're having these elevated discussions and we're looking at the deeper meanings of what it is we believe what thoughts are we teaching and learning what thoughts are we reinforcing in our mind then that's the great use of time you know a lot of times people in this world will just specialize and work their job it's like the Simon and Garfunkel song slip slide in the way slip slide in the way slip slide in the way slip slide in the way you know the nearer your destination the more you slip slide in the way oftentimes you want to do jobs to bring out a paycheck to support a house that roof over your head or a car and things and stuff and then all types of entertainment and distraction and doing all this work for what Jesus says for things that you really don't even want doing meaningless things to buy things that you don't even really want or need and then going back and doing it again you know he's describing it in the course because it's a sad situation when you give yourself over to and then when you look around and you think well everyone else is doing and I might as well do a thought debate you fall into the mess for a sleep of this world we call it daily life but it's just another dark dream nightmares and then more oppressive dark dreams and then at some point you have to think well wait a minute is this the way that I want to use my time my energy my focus I'm worth so much more than just that I'm worth so much more I'm worth everything but the Spirit is telling us you are worth everything because you were created as everything in spirit and now it's important to come back what I say a lot of times when I travel around and talk with you there's no accident that we have been brought together I feel like with everyone I meet that we are like life long companions on a very deep and profound journey that we have come together with a very important purpose and we have been brought together into each other's lives to bless to nurture to allow the light to raise our awareness higher and higher and higher and that's the purpose of these movies when we have these movie retreats that can be very helpful this is our second night together imagine if you spend six weeks with me we watch a movie like this every night then you actually start to feel like you might have some shifts in consciousness because it's more of a communal feeling we're eating together we're taking walks together we're meditating together we're watching movies together and having them we're laughing together stronger and stronger even movies that would be considered comedy we're laughing at movies that wouldn't even be considered serious is that possible? I want to travel with you for six weeks I see a hand up there there we go we're talking about that because actually what I've done over the years is just come over and go down to Spain we have a couple of villas and that's what we call a negotiable retreat where the first thing I did was four weeks and then there's been other times with six weeks but what comes at the end of those six weeks is that your perception of everything starts to shift and then you start to build that confidence like your heart starts to light up okay I can feel the potential now I can feel what this is all about practically speaking if we pool all of our skills and abilities that we have just in this room the synergy that comes when you come together to join on a project or join together on an idea, we've experienced that glimmers of it but how powerful that is we were here in about a little over a year ago or something and Chris was at that one and he was just like lit up like we've got to do something we've got to pull it together so we had emails kind of looking back and forth it's hard to schedule we didn't we said we're kind of feeling maybe this and Chris was suggesting some venues and so the ideas just started floating around and then at some point it starts to click in like yeah that's good we can hear that and then it just keeps and it's like oh we're okay that's good we can hear this I can come okay in America okay you know it just kind of snowballs it builds there's a momentum that comes with it and that's how your whole life is going to be where the guidance of the Holy Spirit makes you into these collaborative things you know there's a saying I guess it's from the east you know many hands make for light work and when we join our minds together in a real collaborative way like this then it sends us soaring in the right direction we can we don't even have to know the specifics of how it's going to go or how it's all going to work out but we can tell from the likeness in our hearts how it feels we like the joy we like the intimacy we like the love we like the connection and it's very much that that's sends you in a direction like wow what are the possibilities we try to open our mind to the possibilities of what can come so I think it's it's delicious we're having a delicious experience together it's taking us more to look at the world through quantum ways to appreciate wow even in this room our connection of thoughts that I hold together isn't that nice thank you mine for that nice collection sure of course there's no compromising and the world is false and when I told somebody about the real world they always said yes you live in this world as long as you live in this world you're not enlightened enlightened you need herbs to eat very health and to do all that stuff and to make you happy and healthy but is that not the solution that I support when I believe something else I think it's once you just keep reminding yourself that it's all the state of mind the kingdom of heaven is not a place it's a state it's an attitude it's a state of mind and when you become happier and happier you don't really look back to the world you don't have any reason to analyze the world to figure out the world and also there's no one else to convince the one that's convincing is one's own mind and as that starts to become clear like oh I see now I'm not buying into this anymore let them float by me but I'm not taking the mic I'm not hopping on that train anymore then this uses that he says in the workbook your forehead is serene he says you smile more frequently you know he starts he starts to get these symbols still symbols of the body a serene forehead and a smile he says your eyes have not opened yet but the smile has come across your sleeping face you know like when you're having not a nightmare but a good dream oh you're in bed you're in bed you're in REM sleep this is a big smile on your face that's a beautiful metaphor that chilled me with the head that chilled me with the head that got me that got the biggest smile of the night jumping into the deadpan jumping into the deadpan and how are our dreams yet so peaceful and serene and happy except we don't judge them when we don't take them seriously and we don't judge the dreams and they are quite peaceful and happy so when we're judging them they're critical that they quickly turn into nightmares because if it's like out of our control and we feel powerless and helpless as the mercy of the dream should be the dreamer of the dream so it's been fun for me because you know I've been just traveling around since 1991 but giving these same talks I talk about the same stuff as I talk about in 1991 if you've listened to the old recordings back in the days of cassettes he's talking about the same stuff he hasn't changed a bit and there's different examples in fact then I would talk about cassette tapes and phone booths and all kinds of things that were kind of gone but the invitations were still there and even being able to listen to Helena and Jenny Frances they simply took me up on my invitations Helena and Jenny from here very close to the European street and then Frances from Australia but that's how it's gone people say who do you live with who do you live with who do you have a relationship with I think we have a community that's kind of sprinkled now across the globe and just this year I've been to our community down in Australia and I've been to a community in Mexico and one I've been to a couple of states and now I'm over here and so it's very interesting it doesn't so much matter what the symbols are but it's when you start to give yourself over the spirit in that collaborative way you start to feel the energy, the synergy start to happen I'm connected I'm working in conjunction with the spirit and they start to get lighter and any step you take with that kind of lighthearted joy in your heart it just helps you become lighter and lighter it's still lighter so it's been for me a journey too of I actually felt that the more I experienced it the more I wanted to share it because that's the way love is the more you experience love and you want to give it away that's what it is it's dynamic it's not static so you want to share it and you love those examples throughout history and the sharing so I like to put them a lot of stuff we record these sessions that we're doing here for the whole world to put those up we keep extending and extending listen they're doing the dishes listening to us or they're doing the things that they need to do but the voice is running in the background our voices as we're waking up are being used as a backdrop for the people who are they do write to me they say I can't wait till the next episode this is like this is like the episode and then the next one and it's very inspirational they tell me they laugh and they they pause, they go back they can pause it let me play that again I don't think I heard that right but I think they listen to it so that's the invitation it's like we are in this together it can be very spontaneous with Chris organizing this Chris is practical he's like well we definitely have to have a venue and a date at least a venue and a date and it took a while before that kind of came in but then yeah this is how it works people can take their practical steps for some of us and for some weeks and others it's more of a spontaneous thing coming in the last moment or whatever but it's usually coming with a calling when I go I need to be there or I need to go there that's the Holy Spirit pumping inside always for our good always for our joy our expansion sometimes we don't even know why we just go there and we go it feels good Kevin has been doing some you came all the way across to Utah and I hear there's some talk of Mexico yeah yeah you're going to Mexico on Monday okay and there's an example Kevin he's just going but just to link and connect in there is a retreat coming up in Spain in a month from now it's on the 22nd to the 25th of September a four day retreat in our new community house outside Barcelona three and a half days four days just let me know if you're interested maybe the community experience that is we will open doors for stays two to four weeks where the group is we will have room for about ten and it's very nice it's up in the mountains beautiful nature really quiet and really beautiful the views are amazing everything is like beautiful lines very still very vast really cool place as far as and even like this kind of thing we had a retreat over there all of us that are here we were over in Finland for seven days and we just had a great time we left her opening the heart and at the end we were singing ancient Finnish songs to us we were being serenaded by Finnish songs and it was very wonderful and then at the end we were sitting around the table let's set this up for next year they were really trying to pin me down I don't know where you'll be but next year we'll be here and this and this but that's just you know it's just the way things go it's possible when you join together to just be open to the spirit and say okay what we love to hear ideas we love to hear your ideas and then a lot of times when we start to share ideas certain ideas people go yeah that's a good idea and then people start to join and Jesus talks about that and of course that's how you strengthen ideas in your mind by giving away the more you believe them the stronger they become and that kind of metaphor so that's good too just to be able to spoke out the ideas share the ideas and go forward and it just grows stronger in awareness by being extended and given away so just two days out of our five we've got lots to come and thank you again for hosting us here writing us yeah that's great thank you you're seeing us alone at least we can love life we love you we love you we love you we love you we love you


Okay, then next up are Iwona Krawczyk and Jagoda Marszałek joining us from Poland, from the Institute of Polish Language of the Polish Academy of Sciences, and they will be talking about first medieval Latin transcribathon from Polish sources and they will present this project with the help of a video they made that Miriam is starting in a few seconds and will be but they will be available for questions afterwards because they are joining us online via Zoom. First medieval Latin transcribathon from Polish sources. Our transcribathons the short term transcription challenge consisting of rewriting medieval manuscripts into a machine readable format. The project is volunteer based involves the amateurs of old handwritten script and uses the tools of modern digital paleography. The aim was threefold to acquire new texts important for Polish medieval researchers to prepare the training material for the creation of the new HDR models for Latin. We also wanted to build an interdisciplinary team of enthusiasts of medieval Latin paleography as we know how many interesting projects are born from collaboration based on shared passion. We came up with the whole challenge to be bought an opportunity to test our own editing skills to learn something new to meet interesting people and simply to enjoy the experiment. In our project we wanted to employ tools available in the public domain. For this reason we chose the transcribus platform to transcribe the manuscripts and for the transcription we decided to use public fonts from the movie. Characters were selected from the movie public area to avoid font display problems. If a particular symbol although suitable for the text was not available in the movie open access substitute characters were introduced which may be replaced in the future. The work is divided into two stages during which project participants work both individually and in terms to transcribe individual pages. Details instructions were prepared for each stage of transcription in order to streamline the work. Transcription guidelines have been prepared in advance but the list of rules remains open until the project is completed. Our project takes place online. The source materials are available on the website of the central archive of historical records in Warsaw and on the transcribus platform when the entire two-stage transcription and proof reading of the documents is carried out. All resource materials are available to participants on Google Drive. Communication between the participants takes place via email zoom and mainly Slack. The final result of the project, the edited documents, will be published in digital format on the fontest project website. The choice of source material was dictated by the relative scarcity of documents of this kind in the corpus of Polish medieval Latin. Finally we selected 11 documents from the Polish Crown Chance Republic Register from the mid 15th century which gave a total of almost 1000 lines for transcription. We disseminated information about the project in early August with a deadline for applications of 5th September. A total of 24 people from different backgrounds from Poland, Ukraine, UK and Moldova signed up to participate. The project started on 15th September with an organizational meeting where we presented its main objectives, the working methods and met the participants. On the second day there were two introductory training sessions on Latin radiography and on the transcribus platform. We have also provided additional videos and training material to assist in the use of this program. On that day the first stage of transcription began which involved reproducing the graphic side of the document as closely as possible using more few unicodes to denote medieval abbreviations. In order to make transcription easier to the product participants a special keyboard was prepared containing the fonts selected for the project. After a week's work the second stage began consisting of proofreading the transcription of teammates and editing the above transcription with the development of abbreviations. The next stage concerns the proofreading of all versions of the documents by us, the project organizers. On the last day of the project we plan to hold a closing meeting where we will discuss the results of our work. Shortly afterwards we plan to publish the editions of the FONTES website together with detailed information about its ownership. We also want to archive our challenge in the format typical of digital projects and publish the finally adopted transcription rules in open access repositories. The HDR training material developed with transcribus will be then used to create a new Latin model that will serve us to extract the text from remaining documents of similar type. The opportunity to collaborate with other paleographers, often real experts in the field, in turn offers the hope of using this experience in future collaborative projects. First make a Latin transcript button from Polish sources. Our transcript button is a short term. Okay, the video wants to go on a loop. Yeah, big dziękuję or thank you to Poland for your very nice video. Yeah, about this very interesting topic too because I know that Poland has a very rich history when it comes to Latin as opposed to other Slavonic nations and it's really cool how you've been working on this language and its transcription. Are there any questions for our Polish participants? So it just flushed over the screen but I've seen a bestiary among the sources you transcribed and I suppose that there are even many images and what did you do with them? Thank you for the question and thank you for having us there. Good afternoon, by the way. The bestiary you saw was just an image to show. It was a meme made from the open sources manuscripts provided by one of the European museums. So we don't have those images in our documents. They are just chancellory documents. So this is plain text with a lot of glosses, Latin glosses and polio glosses but unfortunately no images. We would like to have them for... Thank you.