We'll have two old men talking about Beyonce. I don't think the audience are interested in that. All right. Okay. Just an idea. Come on. We'll do it. We'll do it. Rather than you saying, thank you, Lee. Thank you, Greg. Love you. Bye. Love you. See you tomorrow. Bye. All right, sunshine. You better get off. All right, good luck. All right, bye-bye. Take care of yourself. It's the 9 o'clock noon show at 9 o'clock. Good morning. Michaela Clark. Thanks, Greg. Good morning. The PRO of the Micah Action Group has warned that there needs to be a change in government if the right redress scheme cannot be delivered. Michael Doherty says the government acted in bad faith by publishing the revised defective concrete blocks bill yesterday. The same version he says homeowners were shown last week when they were given promises their feedback would be added to an amended final version. On Thursday, a shortened form of pre-legislative scrutiny of the bill is expected to be brought forward. Michael Doherty says time is running out for the government to fix homes. If you don't get it right this time, then we're going to have to do something different. And it's just the same as anything else. If you can't change the government and change their mind, then we've got to change the government and change the people and get people on there that'll take this thing seriously and get the job done, we will not be given any more chances to this government. Garda resources are further diminishing in West Dunnegoal. This week it emerged that the patrol car in Fulcara has now reached the end of life with no current plan to replace it. Meanwhile, Don Fanehe has been without a car since October which was also used to serve the Creeslaw area. In the event of an emergency, Garda cars will now have to travel from either Milford or Ghidor. Hunter Michael McLaughley says the lack of resources simply spells disaster. The township doesn't believe the rationing of energy supplies will happen here. It follows remarks from the EU Commissioner, Maria McGuinness, who warned rationing could become a reality this winter. EU members could be left without fuel supplies as lawmakers look to reduce their dependence on Russian oil. However, Don Fanehe doesn't think it will happen, saying Ireland does have energy reserves. That would only arise I think where attempts were made at price controls and you know they never work. When you bring in price caps you either have to increase them all the time which defeats the whole purpose or you end up kind of rationing energy because there's a limit on supply because the people who bring the fuel into the country just can't bring it in at the cost you've kept it at. Whether night or dull morning with scattered patches of drizzle and mist highest temperatures today of 17 or 18 degrees. 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Hello good morning to you four minutes past nine it's another Wednesday the 22nd of June 2022 good morning as I say you're very welcome along to another edition of the Ninetal Noon Show we'll be running through the papers for you very shortly but we're going to try and keep that short at least we'll have to interrupt it because we're hoping to have a Minister Charlie McConnelog join us he has moved his schedule around to make time for us on an important issue and why shouldn't he oh wait six sixty twenty five thousand whatsapps and texts to that number by the way oh seven four nine one twenty five thousand give us a call Donna Marie and Caroline very friendly waiting to speak to you to tease your issues out if you wish before you even decide to come on air you can watch the program hop onto our website HighlandRadio.com you can watch it in browser there you should see the links to do so or go straight to our YouTube channel Highland Radio Ireland or Facebook if you want to see the captions there as well and so we were hearing from Sean and others yesterday some people find that useful so that's a good thing isn't it all right let's look at the papers then let's start with the Finn Valley voice COVID-19 storms back in Donegal uh COVID-19 is back and Donegal along with most other counties is feeling the heat there are now 24 cases of COVID-19 at LUH and COVID-19 it has been a factor in at least eight deaths across the county in the month of May and while the rate of incidents in the Finn Valley remains one of the country's lowest at 123 recorded positive cases per 100k the real figure could be higher uh the Innish Times this morning uh Mikey campaigners say they are preparing to target government TDs in elections and pick at their offices as the latest redress bill approaches a crucial stage campaigners say they have ruled nothing out in their effort to achieve a scheme that meets their demands and have expressed concern that the latest bill will still leave homeowners facing unacceptable costs the 2.7 billion scheme was due to be published on Tuesday after being approved by cabinet last week and the bill is due to go before the Rockers housing committee on Thursday for accelerated pre-legislative scrutiny now there's a few things we have to tease out on this firstly this is the old document Bar the shouting that was published at some time ago um there was engagement with uh concerned interests of course those engagements seem to have fallen on deaf ears there's nothing in this document really sorry there's a lot in this document uh that ignores the concerns that homeowners might have but we're being told uh that people are being told privately that no that document doesn't say at all that this is included or that's included you know and we're going to try and get it to the bottom to the bottom of it for you i don't understand why the messaging is the way it is um in that you know if it's not what if if the scheme do not publish the document unless that's the scheme all right because what it's doing is causing great anxiety to people as to say it may well be it's something we're going to have to investigate with minister charlie mcconnellogue when he comes on with us as I say have your say as well don't go post this morning special events to remember donna a memorial a special memorial event takes place this saturday in donna gole town to remember one of donna gole's gea's greatest ladies football pioneers the late donna boyle made onion uh the series of games will involve an afternoon of fun and a trip down memory lane in honor of a special lady the games are set to take place at her beloved charconnell park with the main event at three p.m and hosted by the four masters club the native of our draw a 41 year old teacher and mother of two sadly passed away back in february after lung illness during which she showed the same strength determination and courage that she had so often displayed on the field of plane sounds like it's going to be a fitting um event in her memory the Irish independent today less than a third of hsc workers have received the pandemic bonus worth up to a thousand euro that was announced by government in january now it was in fact announced in january but wasn't this first talked about in 2020 uh then announced in january and still the majority have not received this it's also been revealed that a circular has not yet been published that would allow the recognition payment to be made to workers in the private sector including nursing homes for their efforts the latest official figures dated last friday show 33431 payments have been processed at a cost of 32.3 million this represents roughly a third or fewer of the hsc staff who are likely to qualify a hsc spokesperson says spokesperson said it is expected the number of eligible staff to be in excess of a hundred thousand but i think it's over it may well be over a month ago where i heard someone from the hsc saying that they hoped to have the majority sorted before the end of the week or both for the end of that month and still the feet are being dragged the irish times tells us that the government has abandoned plans to postpone pay rises of up to 15 percent for top-earning public servants amid fears over legal action and possible protests among those in line for rises of 10 to 15 percent are judges hospital consultants and many senior public officials the move affects some 4 000 public servants earning in excess of 150 000 euro and will apply apply from next week so whilst we look forward to any little break we might get in the budget those this cohort of 4 000 earning over 150 000 will receive a 15 percent pay rise next week but it's pay restoration really this is money that they lost around the time of the last recession and also the vast majority of these are consultants working in our hospitals so they are important people maybe if it has to go to someone better it go to they it's expected to though to provoke a strong backlash from opposition politicians and the public struggling with spiraling inflation and the general cost of living crisis last week talks between trade unions and the government broke up when unions rejected an offer of a 5 percent pay increase over two years but the government has drawn up plans to go back to the unions with an improved offer somewhere between the 5 percent and the 9 percent odd of inflation hopefully it is seen to be enough the Irish Daily Mail tells us what we already know we're gouged left right and in the center consumer prices in Ireland were among the most expensive in the EU last year with the cost of goods and services a shocking 40 percent above the European average so what does that mean and it is quite clear but let's slow it down just so we're very very clear here we are in a union a European union so it's very easy to compare you know lots of different countries in different ways for us just to live the cost of the basics food insurance mortgage interest rates all the stuff that we cannot escape for the most part it costs us 40 percent more than our European neighbors okay so if they're paying six grand what we're paying ten grand you know it's significant significant money we're only behind Denmark for over price over all price levels in the block in 2021 new figures published by the European Commission show but the public will be feeding the pinch even more this year with inflation reaching a 40 year high of 8.3 percent last month consumer experts said Irish people have become conditioned to high prices and blamed high taxation rates for putting us out of step with Europe so maybe that is we've a long way to go to close a 40 percent gap compared to our European neighbors as I said right we will return to look at the newspapers in a moment but I want to welcome on to the program now the Minister for Agriculture Food and the Marine Donagol TD Minister Charlie McConnelogue thank you very much indeed for joining us this morning hey good morning Greg and I appreciate you arranging your schedule to permit this right you've said on a number of occasions on this program that foundations will be included in the scheme the document published yesterday seemed to suggest otherwise it says that only that foundations that aren't not only are they not included sorry but if you actually went to change them yourselves you could be put off the scheme so wherein there lies the truth yeah so listen thanks and good to join with you and it's good to get the opportunities to update people on where things are at so last week the draft general scheme of the bill came to cabinet and then yesterday the the final scheme which will come before the doll and the shannot came to cabinet obviously the issue of foundations is is really really important as something I have been engaged with the Department of Housing and the Minister for Housing about on several occasions again it is something I have engaged with the Department of Housing on in relation to the draft scheme and that has been the the final scheme that was updated and agreed to cabinet yesterday provides that or has changed from the previous week in that foundations can't or not or the house is not required to be built on the existing foundations it's required to build an existing footprint but not the existing foundations so why was that in the document yesterday then why wasn't that in the document yesterday sorry so the document that was published yesterday by the Department of Housing was the the general scheme from last week not not the bill that wasn't that was approved by cabinet yesterday it was also after the the cabinet meeting last week right then there would have been a briefing with the first thing that happened was a briefing with homeowner representatives and then at the same time as that as well that general scheme was provided to the housing committee and all the parties political parties on the housing committee the housing committee would have met and on the back of being provided with the general scheme and then they would have decided to have the committee hearings tomorrow and there's eight hours eight hours of committee hearings tomorrow but really importantly in relation to how we approach this obviously over the last number of months as the testing has happened on homes what was initially identified as being primarily a mica and a pyrite issue other substances have have evolved and have been identified in in the the testing has happened in many homes that have been tested since that that obviously has posed challenges for example in relation to pyrite and other other substances so what the the government has done is commissioned the national standards authority of Ireland to provide the scientific and engineering advice around how those substances should be treated and are wanted to receive that as quickly as possible but importantly then the science will be followed on this and as soon as the engineering advice and the science advice around those substances is available that that will inform the scheme that will inform the standards that are being used the IS465 which you look here to refer to on many occasions and the legislation is based on IS465 so as IS465 is updated the the legislation updates so listen there's there's so are you saying are you saying that the foundations are included from day one of this revised scheme so basically what the legislation provides for is that foundations can be included on the basis that the IS465 if the IS465 is amended to include when will that be that would be based that would be based on the the science and engineering advice which isn't available yet the national standards authority has been asked to do that as quickly okay so yeah but how long might that take they have indicated to the government that will be early 2023 before they have the full research and the full scientific evidence around that and as soon as the government has that that that will be so how can this how can this scheme progress this year at all this year or even early in next year if we actually don't officially have foundations included yet so so that's that's what's been discussed between the Donegal County Council and the Department of Housing at the moment but the answer is it can't really well well where the issues are mica and pyrite um then the there is evidence there to as to how they can be dealt with so for example if properties require demolition in the basis of mica and pyrite that can happen and and that's provided for where there's other substances to play obviously that's where the challenge comes in and that's what that's what has been the challenge over the last period of time in terms of getting getting uh uh decisions on properties I mean be strong to imagine any home would be demolished this year though uh well some homes have been demolished already and and I mean where and that's where the engagement between the Donegal County Council and the Department of Housing is important because what we need to do is try and move as many properties as possible through and have and get as many properties immediate as possible so will there be extra money made available for the foundations or will they have to come from the four hundred and twenty thousand euro cap so so as as things stand the the scientific advice and the the view of the housing engineers etc isn't an issue with foundations but if there is um and if the set's established the scheme will be updated to to reflect that but you're telling me you're telling me that really it's not that foundations are included in the scheme you're telling me that if the scientific advice from the NSA comes back next year at the earliest then they may be included in the scheme this scheme will not be published including foundations the science the science will be followed in this Greg and we'll decide what happens and obviously at the moment the the criteria is around pirate and mica and the quicker we can get that science and that engineering but just language is very important this uh this enhanced scheme from the off will not include foundations foundations will only be included if that's a recommendation of the NSA what what the what the legislation will do and this will get a very thorough examination at the housing committee tomorrow where there will be eight hours of discussion on it and that that will be very helpful and what the legislation will do will is establish the new but you were on the phone last night ten and people foundations were included weren't you and really they're not actually included what what i'm saying what what i've said to anybody that called me last night is exactly what it said to yourself here great right okay um exactly what it said to yourself so um what what the legislation will do will will be update the uh the new camps based on the charter surveyors of Ireland updated costings from march that underpins the legislation which is which is which is just because i know your short and time will the cap be increased to account if foundations end up being included in this scheme they're hardly going to have to come out of the 420 000 with everything else the legislation the legislation empowers the minister to change and update the cap as appropriate and in terms of the as um as the costings involved emeritus that's something that the bill just to ask you will the cap be increased it already needs to be increased because of inflation will it be increased if foundations are included that's the decision the minister would have to call on him today to ensure that it's included listen as i've done it at all times i mean my but you see the problem we have here minister is the problem we have here right now is right okay that you're telling me that it's not actually it doesn't actually include foundations yet it may well do if the nsa says so and you're also telling me that you don't even know really if extra money will be provided uh or if this will have to so in other words you know yourself you're talking to me today about a scheme that is not a 100 percent redress scheme that is not what we're discussing today we're discussing a we're discussing right a reheated version of the 9010 scheme which itself wasn't a 9010 scheme certainly not certainly not great this is a scheme which is this is a scheme which is built which is based on independent assessment of costings done by the chartered surveyors of Ireland which was requested by homeowners and was really important happened that that updated costings was published back in March that's what this bill is based on um and that was those costings were broadly welcomed by by by by homeowners and representatives at the time so the bill is based on that obviously it's key that we follow the science some of the evidence that's emerged around uh other substances over the last number of months the scientific evidence isn't available to the government yet in relation to those that has been uh got as quickly as it possibly was short in time but you've said that okay you've said that so that was that will then that will then inform the scheme okay so what what this legislation was what this legislation does is it bases it on the updated costings it puts that in place it means that people are able to avail of that it also requires and also provides for the science to be followed in relation to the remediation of houses and or and as a science but we need the money the money has to go with the science right how can this be called a 100 grand scheme with so many costs coming out of the allocation the impact of inflation that's uh that that it's having on costs that's not reflected currently in the square footage figures at the moment do you believe especially foundations have to come out of this money as well honestly honestly do you believe the majority will be able to return their home to its former state without having to find money themselves so listen what the bill is the bill is based on at the charge of airs of island costing based on marks past and it's also provides in on an annual basis going forward that that can be updated and that's really important this is going to be a scheme that's going to be around for a long time the bill there's a legislative process involved here the general scheme went to cabinet last week the the the updated the the scheme that will go to the Dow and Shannon the final scheme was in advance of going to the Dow and Shannon went to the cabinet yesterday that'll be published in the next few days and what will happen tomorrow then is that the housing committee who were provided with the the scheme the general scheme last week as where the micro representatives they will discuss that tomorrow and feedback their feedback to the government as well so there's a legislative process here all right do you believe it's a hundred percent redress scheme charlie well well what what it is greg is is based on the rebuild value of a property as assessed for the charge of airs of island obviously it doesn't include the likes of garages it doesn't include the likes of of driveway for the majority of people for the majority of people with average size houses do you believe that this is a 100% redress scheme hand on heart do you believe it is with foundations engineers cost storage cost accommodation cost do you believe this is a 100% redress scheme for the majority of average people without garages etc do you believe it is listen what it is and is based on the the charge of your veyors costing of this way I can't say whether that will mean for every family or not that it will cover all their costs I know it doesn't cover the cost of garages for example the cost of driveways the chargers of airs of Ireland through the professional body for every industry have assessed what can you vote for this then with your own acknowledgement that this is not a 100% redress scheme do you think you can vote for this then so against the people that elected you I have I will I'm working on behalf of the people that have elected me greg as I've done at all times I've I'm at the cabinet table working with the the minister for housing other cabinet colleagues the party leaders to to make sure that we get a scheme in here which fully supports and properly supports homeowners it's now got to the stage where it's at there's more to go I've worked hard at cabinet level in terms of getting that getting it in terms of the general scheme and in terms of the scheme of the previous year I've clarified to you the changes have been made changes which I have been adamant on all along and remain adamant on those changes have been made okay so the next steps now is it goes to the committee it also goes to the door on the channel and it will get a lot more scrutiny as part of that a lot more assessment all right and I will continue to do what I've done open to now in terms of getting to where it's at you said you said we'd follow over the next let me finish in terms of the way I will continue to do over the next period of time as I've done open to now in terms of getting into where it's at truly is within government to ensure that we get a scheme which properly and fully ensures that houses are fixed across the county and gets a scheme that works for homeowners there's there's more way to go on this there's a legislative process involved obviously it's a very stressful time for homeowners obviously the legislative process and you know social media weren't made to go hand in hand but what I would say to people is there's eight hours of people have the power now people have the power now thanks to social media to try and influence these decisions and to call it out when people make commitments that aren't followed through on there's eight hours of scrutiny of this bill tomorrow okay I just need three more minutes of scrutiny with you if that's okay more scrutiny than in relation to understood but people want to know where you stand uh how you said we'll follow the science how can we only fix outer leaves on any properties uh if we're following the science well that's the challenge that there are the moment in relation to getting decisions to some properties because where this testing has identified all their substances as a play all and Mike and pirate this is the ball the last number of months um it's very challenging to make those decisions and that's where the county council and the department of housing are working and engaging in relation to the existing properties that have those substances in place to see where and how decisions can be made it's really important we get that scientific and engineering advice as quickly as we can because for a number of properties it that will be that will need to be there to make to make decisions which actually people can kind of have confidence will stand the test of time and that's the challenges there at the moment okay and it's important we follow the science right it's logical it's logical that people should be able to downsize their property to enable them to as much as is possible uh complete a home out of this grant you've talked earlier about uh the house having to be built on the same footprint uh will you uh are you in favor of will it happen that people will be able to downsize so in other words they can say right we can build a smaller house but we might not have to borrow as much additional is that going to be in this new scheme should it be in this new scheme it's not the legislation it is something i've pushed for and advocated for like like with everything over the last way to get as much as we why is it being resisted do you think well because the assessment is and the view the view is within government that the scheme that's in place which is based on the surveyor's cost of rebuild is to is to replace that property um what the homeowners are looking for which which are absolutely understandable and something that i've advocated within government for is that if you build a smaller home that you get the remainder of the grant that you would have been entitled to if you'd built a larger house for it to be to to use it on the property that's that's an additional element of the scheme which i think stands that government have considered i've advocated but they're not going to do it are they charlie the builders and include that and there is in support and government for that i'd say right okay i've advocated on i've advocated and all these things that's i've got it to where it's at there's there's more stages in the process left to be i continue to fight on behalf of homeowners okay and lastly lastly to do the very best i can do the best the best possible outcome and we'll continue to do that what do you vote for this legislation if if these things that you're calling from aren't included i'll continue to fight within government to get changes and to get the best possible bill that we can that's what i've done in terms of getting it to where it's at i don't believe we'll get everything that we're looking for will you support it though um so what i do is i'll continue to try and have the kid on behalf of homeowners and get the best outcome possible but will you support it when it comes down to a vote and get a scheme delivered then that actually can deliver for home will you vote for it i think we have come a massive way in relation to what's in place at the moment and what i will be doing is working within government to achieve those changes okay lastly like i've done here in relation to the foundations like i've done in relation to other things understood and to get a scheme which works for for people across then you go finally as you know there's a legal company signing up home homeowners with a view to take an action to bridge any short fall and for other motivations is this new revised scheme designed to discourage that no it's not no that the government in its decisions have also made clear that it will pursue every avenue possible in relation to following through in relation to those who contributed to this and in relation to cost recovery as well the government have put in place a scheme obviously to help and to rebuild homes but the government likewise will pursue any and every avenue it can legally as well in relation to this and that's part of it okay follow through here too and just to be clear i'm asking questions that will come in after your offer and i want as much as is possible to get definitive answers from you i hope you understand that absolutely Greg and listen what i say is listen this this is obviously a very very stressful situation for homeowners might at least rest well but you're not going to give up you're not going to give up the whip on this issue i will continue to work with homeowners to get results for them you believe you can do it better within the party that's what that's what i've that's my job within government i haven't been able to explain to you today changes in the legislation that happened from last cabinet to this cabinet meeting um it has got it it is it is a very this is a scheme now which i believe um can can work um it needs further scrutiny you know we'll get further scrutiny and i will use every as a captain minister working on behalf of the county every capacity and opportunity i have could you write one thing to go for for me too if it comes up in conversation is the way this is being handled the a terrible emotional impact this is having on people the way uh there are people that were probably just holding on by a string and they saw that document yesterday and it could just be enough to push people over the edge this is everything to to people to a lot of people is everything to the whole family the kids are involved in everything so when you're handling and releasing documents that don't necessarily tell the full story i hope you know the potential impact this can have on people i'm sure you do minister i just hope your colleagues be aware of that and obviously i try to be as sensitive as possible in relation to how i'm engaging this um uh and that that's really that's really important outside of people's health um Greg the biggest thing in their lives is their is their home um but there is there's the legislative process in terms of this this this this bill was provided and briefed the mic of representatives first of all last week at the same time as well it was also provided excuse me at the same time as well it was also provided to the housing committee and the parties on the housing committee um and tomorrow the discussion will be framed around that so i understand that that's why the housing the department of housing published the bill on the website yesterday because that's what the housing will be discussing yesterday and that's what the all of the political parties and all in the housing committee would have had from last week um the the updated and the final bill which was called the rockers and doll it's been through its final um framing as such in advance have been introduced to the rockers and doll and that'll be published then in a few days days time when that's ready all right so listen it's a necessary part of the legislative process but everything and listen everything is is massively stressful i'm very conscious of that but i don't think in relation well and whenever the housing committee are going to be discussing it tomorrow and discussing this that's why i believe believe that they they was put on their website okay thank you very much for your time minister charlin mcconnellogue there and and the key takeaway for me it's what i heard from leo for ad car is he sat opposite me in this chair and and sort of in the absence of clarity for for minister charlin mcconnellogue is it seems is there a general acceptance that we're not talking about a 100% uh 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think it's important that um you know people don't get carried away with what was going out last night we saw it all all over social media has taken full cause last night after 11 o'clock on us um i had to ring charlie myself to find out what the right story was in case there was something that was brilliant news that didn't make its way to us uh which would have been a little bit surprised at but you know the reality was when we distilled it down the two things that was being talked about and hyped up last night was foundations and downsizing let me take foundations first of all we had last week saw uh on the tuesday uh 14th the in sligo and obviously it was the same document that was passed by cabinet in dublum on the same day um that if you took out your foundations you're actually in breach of your grant and you could invalidate your entire application okay so that that was a that was a new low we had never seen that before and the minister clarified that in fairness he says it's not that it's about you have to build on the same footprint yeah but that's not if you read the document as page 33 it's in there it says that you are in breach of your application if you remove the foundations it didn't mention about having to move off the foundations we knew that was a no goer but it was the first time that it was ever said and written in black and white that if you actually removed the foundations even if you replaced them at your own cost you were in breach of the scheme which was absolutely crazy so that was the first thing we said that needed to be ripped out of it we told them that last tuesday we thought that they would at least have that done before they would publish this and put people under additional stress which is why we didn't want to we were we were going to publish it to set now hold off with a few things to dig out here nothing changed it just basically put the same document back out yesterday on the website as what we discussed in its raw form back last tuesday that included so the bottom line for people today is to understand that the only difference that i got clarified from charlie last night is that you wouldn't be in breach of your scheme if you took out and replace the foundations at your own cost yeah but it's at your own cost but that's not the part of the grant until nsei review this which is at least a year down the road and even then they may decide that they don't believe there's a case for foundations to be included so as far as foundations is concerned the only news that's different is that you're not in breach of your grant if you change so this scheme is this scheme and even if they are included even in the if they are included they may also have to come out of your cap right which that's correct right so which makes this for a lot of people i'll tell you fact for a fact i couldn't go on this scheme so i could not find the shortfall me i couldn't so i understand where other people are so this scheme then is destined to fail yeah now you see on the foundations if it gets to the point and our understanding was not in black and white great but i just want to be balanced on this right what we were told all along was if it got to the point that foundations were deemed to be part of the solution to homes which they don't believe is included in that but if nsei came back and deemed it to be part of the necessary solution to remediate homes it would then become an eligible cost and then fds i would put together a figure for foundations as well it's not the only thing is is michael the only thing at this point is is that there's probably very few people that have that feel they can trust the word uh of whomever is making the decisions and that's a huge leap of faith to to sort of say well well hopefully you know darah o brian listen there's a reshuffle coming there's a reshuffle coming when and leo for our car takes over t shock again right so darah o brian might might very well just want to get this through i did what i said i would do we don't know what the attitude of the next minister might be or whoever is around them okay okay it's a tar it's too much of a leap of faith for people who've been on this journey for as long as they've had to think that maybe hopefully that if the nsei think foundation should be included that the minister might be inclined to say right we need to relook at this and then ask others to you know reevaluate building costs i don't think anyone has that trust or faith anymore and for a lot of people if you know yourself michael by the way for a lot of people then today they'll be listening to this and say this is literally back to square one yeah it's so different it's so different and you know the end of the day i don't think it's acceptable even if a statement was made by um minister o brian that you know we've taken this as far as we can stop to the next government that's passing the baton over within government this government have to this time get it right between them and there's no such thing as i'll leave it to me partner to take it the next leg of the journey no more legs of the journey it has to be right this time now and you know that this is where we're saying that there's a change of government that's quiet after this if they don't get it right but i also want to mention the downsizing this was also again i had i had people last night very excited that they now had an avenue for what they saw as a chance to afford to put up their house properly albeit smaller but without having to try to go to the bank with the new the minister says despite his protestations that's off the table the government have no interest in that that's not the impression was given last night and there'll be people i'm sure will ring in the day to validate that the impression given last night by who the foundation were now included and that downsizing was allowed yes of course downsizing is allowed it was always allowed but you're only going to get the grant where did that come from though sorry michael where did where did the people heard from last night from whom that was talking to charlie mcconnell he said i asked him clearly because i know i knew that was going to be a big one asked him clearly would downsizing be an option and he said he's campaigned for it but it's the government are not in favor of it yes now there were people ringing me last night i'll go no further to mention names other than there's a mobile couple that went on social media afterwards again by the name of dawn today the same as my own and they were very clear that downsizing was now on the table and was something that they're going to be able to afford this time round it's no more affordable than it was yesterday or any other day because the only way you of course you can downsize but you're only going to get the grant then for the smaller house that you're downsizing to would still leave you short because it's not a hundred percent yes sorry yeah of course i think i thought it was given sorry michael that when we're talking about downsizing it means that you would get more uh value out of the cap if you were to build the house you know if you were to build the house in its original form sorry i thought i probably should have made that clear right so i just want to be very clear on so say for example your current house size attracts a grant of 300 000 let's say for argument sake right and you say i'm still 60 000 short i don't have 60 000 so what i want to do is take that 300 000 and build the next size house down from that that 300 will afford me buy or to build that's what we've been asking for but that's not what happens so if you go down to your lower house size and say that's what i want to do you the 300 who's uncovered that they say oh sorry we're only giving you 250 for that which means that you're 50 000 short this time on your smaller house it's crazy so what should be if that 300 000 was good enough to hand out in the first place at least let the people go and use that 300 000 to build whatever size there's no appetite for government for that there's no appetite for government for that trawler mcconnell said that so i'm sorry enough to get you coming back there's no good reason coming back that's why they won't allow that that's not financial that's not financial there's no additional money involved yet they'll not do it out of bloody mindedness that's the only explanation for that one that's the most cruel aspect of the whole thing somebody's prepared to compromise on their home size and they'll still force them to go to the bank and look for more money that they can't get right so we don't know if foundations are included at this point we simply don't know that we know that the downsizing option to get better value of the money made available to you that is not going to be on the table so with just those two things in mind not forgetting also not forgetting also the fact that with inflation and with other costs coming out of your grant that for a lot of people if not the majority this is not a 100 percent redress scheme and that's without even getting into the foundation so at what point is the pin pulled that it's conceded that this process and you have to enter these processes and it has to be done and fair play to everyone that did and the amount of work that you and the rest of the team have put into this is is unbelievable and I don't think people really get the full have the full picture of what you have been doing but at what point do we say right we tried and and the pin is pulled and it's time to move on to the next government I can tell you the exactly the point and that'll happen Greg there's a process taking place tomorrow that we have been working day and night on to get ready for that's this compressed pre-legislative scrutiny gives us a one-day shot at it this committee this joint housing committee will hopefully put recommendations forward in our favor to the minister and the minister can consider them and decide to acknowledge and reject them or acknowledge and accept them hopefully he accepts them if he doesn't he we then work with the table amendments that will come as this bill makes his way through the island through the shallot that will be discussed and voted upon then as well now at the end of that process which is the middle of july with the summer recess after their deadline after our attempt tomorrow and after our attempt to get a memos tabled and accepted through the floor of the shallot and the dial if at the end of that in the middle of july it comes along and the scheme is the same as the scheme as now and is not as we called right this time that's the final point for this government there is no handling of the baton over to anybody else this government must go and can we be assured can we be assured then if they did say for instance it include downsizing but they said look you know we'll know about the foundation sort of the start of next year and you know as well as I do start of next year is the middle of next year could be the start of 2024 would does that have to be changed as well are you prepared to accept accepting this deal on the promise that the NSA will look at this and may include foundations and the the housing minister may revise the scheme to to up the amount of money available for foundations there's a as I say Michael again there's a there's a lot of leaps of faith here even if some of the other stuff is addressed are you prepared to take that leap of faith when I say you I mean the campaign yes yes well what we've been doing in that situation say we know we can't put the gun to NSA I haven't say it gives an answer tomorrow so if there if their timeline is a year's time then we need an interim solution right now that plays on the safe side that means that you play it safe there is an intervention by the minister at this stage to say while we're waiting on approval from NSA I we're going to play it safe and we're going to do the right thing we're going to take out the foundations we're going to test them we're going to take out the foundations we'll leave ourselves safe and if in a year's time NSA I have evidence to say do you know what we didn't really need to do that so be it that's a small amount of money that's spent on foundations compared to houses that are built on bad foundations in a year's time let's play this safe until there's science that says less will do I want to bring Ray and I'm not sure if you want to listen to Ray he he was speaking to channel McConnell last night but I just want to ask one more question um can can houses progress this year until such time as we get these recommendations as it relates to foundations you know we we've talked in the past about you know a two track approach whereby the the most need those in most need that they can progress on the scheme at the same time as investigating the issue as it relates to other problematic materials and foundations surely everything stalled now I wouldn't want my house tossed now and rebuild on those foundations until I heard from the NSA NSA I so effectively is this process stalled until at least the start of next year in your view it shouldn't be stalled it should be allowed to progress but it should be allowed to progress on the safe site so for example the very easy answer right now is until the NSA I come back to say that foundations are to be included there should be an intervention by the master's say we're going to play it safe the safest thing you can do is take the foundations out anyway and even if that's not an eligible cost right now that should be a cost that's recoverable we know for example we moved from the old scheme to the new scheme the old scheme had a cap of 247 and a half thousand the new scheme is 420 thousand that difference we're told will be made up in the new scheme for people that are out that extra money this should be the same thing allow people now to take out the foundations and if they're not prepared to cover the cost of it right now that should be a recoverable cost at whatever time NSA I say yes the home words were right the minister was right you are right to play it safe and if in the other hand they turn around and say you know what science says actually the foundations will be okay which I will eat my hat on because there's enough of evidence from Connecticut from everybody that has been involved in this in other countries and throughout Europe Dr. Andreas Lehman are saying you cannot as you're playing with fire to leave on foundations you've got to play it safe you've got to take them out and you've got to pay people for doing that Ray good morning to you good morning Greg good morning Michael you're a bit confused having had a conversation yourself with the minister last night and what you heard today what's what's at odds Greg I got a phone called 10th the 8th last night me and my wife were upstairs and my phone went and it was on silent I didn't know but I seen the phone call must phone call from Charlie Mcconnell now I don't know I've been texting Charlie for maybe two years maybe three years and continuously regarding the photographs in my house the way we've been left every member and the mica situation and I got a phone call last night a return to call and no answer and then Charlie phoned me back and every question I asked him was regarding are we allowed to take out the foundation was number one my wife standing with me on speakerphone and he says yeah you will be allowed to go to the foundation and the next big question asked him was about liquidating the house uh taking it down to a smaller size of a house and been able to still get the full grant and he approved it turned around he says yeah they're all going to be they're all going to be included in the new well the second one in the second one he said clearly today that that's what he's in favor of but the government's not in favor of it unless I misheard him and on the first point it's not quite as as clear maybe as it was related to you last night Ray because we have to find out if that's what the NSA believe is the case and we won't find that out until at least early next year and then it will be in the gift of the housing minister to decide if the the costings need to be increased to take account of that so you've gone from a a big high last night presumably right back to square one again and I'm a I I'm very sorry if I have any role to play in that I really am Ray no no no not at all not at all I turned around and actually I'd just seen a video on social media from party double he wasn't holding so when I got this news through I sent him a WhatsApp message and he phoned me and I told him party Charlie Mcconnell looks just on and he's saying exactly the opposite from what that draft said last week he says that draft's been altered and changed now and then I had phoned Michael but Michael was in the middle of a meeting and Michael returned to call to me later on and I told him the same thing and Michael says to me well that's not what we've seen the draft that we seen was the one that was produced last week and today what Charlie was saying on the phone is complete different to what everything he told me and my wife last night and I was kind of standing there and I'd love to have been able to phone him while he was on the phone to you and say well that's not what you told me last night because as far as I can see Greg every time you've got him on the phone and I'm a human being if you ask me a question yes or no I'm going to answer the question to the best of my ability you're on there to represent the people of this county and you have to stand up and you have to look what everybody is going through now and they're torturing us all right I'm telling you now I'm at my what's end with and I think that government has to be removed because people's mental torture is going through the roof and nobody's going to be able to take much more of it and I don't care and my own Sanabem and a house with three young children and I've got no house insurance and I'm not allowed to be insured by the insurance now because the house is uninsurable and they're telling me then I forgot it bought again what's the foundations they're not going to insure me again anyway where are you you're in a catch 22 we've got people running this country that are muppets they're they're running the country and they're getting people below them that are so-called educated people and I'm telling you now they're they're more sense and my dog down in the house and there isn't them people right Ray we'll stay set coming out way has got another trap on it and another hook to kind catchy and Mickey try behind you all right listen try and stay strong as you can I know how difficult it is we're all in this together literally we're fighting this together I know but it's not done yet Ray just like look after yourself right and let's see where we're at once we're going through this process because I'm trying to get answers on the record to help and I don't want to be doing the opposite either way but anyway listen you're doing fantastic as it is keep going and we'll see where we end up once we come to the end of this process Greg I just like to say before we leave to a big thank you to Michael Daugherty and to make a grip on Polly Dover because without them we wouldn't even be where we are today yeah all right good man Ray take care of yourself all right take care look after yourself yeah Greg just an account come on there I think that's why this was important this morning uh and it was Ray I was referring to there I'm going to talk to about you know one of the phone calls one of about half a dozen of phone calls last night and uh I think it's important at least that we're also people that's what we have tried to do all along it may not be great news but when Ray told me and with a level of excitement there was any voice uh it was galling to have to settle him Ray I just wouldn't get excited yet because this just doesn't it just doesn't smell right based on what I know what's happened so far which is why and in fairness Charlie did I messaged Charlie I sent on the message that Ray sent me I sent it on to Charlie and I said you know is this right this is not my understanding and he did phone back but then you know um it was it was the clarity and it was again with the knowledge that I have of it just pretty long unfortunately involved as I have been that I was able to ask a second and third questions that exposed the flaws and the flaws being the foundations are really nothing different until NSEI come back downsizing you can do all you could always do downsizing but they're only going to give you the money for the smaller house that was the devil in the detail that really scuppered the dreams that Ray had based on what he was led to believe last night I just hope they start factoring the human element of this because it's the damage it's causing and Ray you can tell he's as strong as a Knox but even he is wondering how much more of this messing around can he take and can others take you know and not everyone's motivated to ring in or has the strength to do so like he did and that's the point I was trying to emphasize to Charlie as I left I just hope the way they're handling this they understand that implications this have on real people because the same people were talking about Michael are the same ones that are facing paying an absolute fortune for coal in a house that's hard to heat the same with oil heating going to work and you know yourself paying 230 220 could be 250 soon for petrol and diesel they're facing all the other recessionary feeling problems that we all are and you know this better than anyone Michael I'm not talking to you about that you know what I mean and then trying they don't even have the security of well at least we can pay the mortgage we've got somewhere to live they don't even have that security and it's just it is heartbreaking Michael thanks for your time this morning I'm afraid I'm afraid great good anything I would say what you're saying we would love to think is what's happened at what we're sensing the complete opposite if we read that document again they've actually gone the other way they're saying now that there would be if anything is falsified or if anybody if there's anything found there in that application is falsified that you have penalties of up to 50 000 euro thrown off the scheme recovery of any grant money's paid or up to five years imprisonment that's the sort of language that's been used by this government when people are at their wit's end the same as Ray and the rest of us to try and get this thing right we're then been faced with that sort of language is there and that this government has absolutely no part to play I think going forward and anything here to do with our people and let's just clarify if the NSA NSA I take 2022 and in January or February or March of 2023 say that in their opinion balancing everything up that the foundations are okay that's that the foundations are not included so all right then listen thanks Michael I appreciate your time this morning that's michael dot hearty pier over the microaction group 08 660 25 000 whatsapp some texts to that number give us a call if you want oh seven four nine one 25 000 the nine till noon show with letter Kenny credit union is your bank leaving town letter Kenny credit union is now offering my cu current account and debit mastercard bringing full banking features with no appointment necessary to open your account donnie gall county council in association with bryce and recycling are holding a half-price bulky goods event at caron donna milford and strannola recycling centers from the 20th of june to the 2nd of july during site opening times for more information and opening times visit donnie gall coco 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proper times and who's been tampering with my questions that'll be me croffer tiles castle fin that'll be them oh seven four nine one four three nine four two on the 17th of june we have the all new nissan area in the showroom for one day only make sure to call in and see what you've been waiting for for all these years the ultimate electric car to enter the market now taking orders at iMotors letter kenny and malin live music returns to lyfford old courthouse this saturday the 25th of june for a showcase of local talent join farmer heart any me him nicky duffy lin cambell and paul hannigan for an unforgettable night of music in a unique setting tickets on sale now at lyfford old courthouse dot com you know it's hard not to be cynical i mean how if you were strategizing do you kick this down the road to get it out past the october budget the country might well be in a much difficult financial state it'll be harder to sort of garner support for campaigns potentially like the defective blocks one how do you kick that can down the road will you say foundations okay let the nsa decide just and that's 2022 out the window effectively perhaps even much of 2023 if they say look we need to do some more reports here this is a multi billion euro project we need to just make absolutely sure throw it on to the next government slap you know that's the i'm not saying that's what's happening but if you were to strategize how to make this go away for the rest of this year so you can have your summer recess and you can focus on october's budget um that's probably how you would do it anyway okay we're going to take a break because we've got the news and obituary notices and i have um it's hundreds of messages that have come in over the course of the last hour and i understand that maybe you know not everyone listening is directly affected by the defective block scheme but if you're not please don't tune out because this is your money as well that's being spent on this and the whole motivation around this is of course to get people back into safe homes because they're losing the homes through no fault of their own but also uh to make sure that the money our hard and money is spent correctly in doing so right we'll be back with the next hour after these live on air online and on the highland radio app this is highland radio news good morning i'm akilah clark with the news at 10 o'clock minister charlie mccanlough says it will be early next year before the inclusion of foundations in the enhanced micro redress scheme is confirmed he says houses are not required to be built on the existing foundations of a property but rather the footprint the national standards authority of our nint has been tasked to provide scientific and engineering advice on the presence of other materials identified in homes minister mccanlough told today's nine to noon show that this evidence will shape how the substances should be treated and subsequently impact change in legislation which could include foundations what the legislation provides for is that foundations can be included um on the basis that the is465 if there is 465 um uh as they've ended to include that that would be based on the the science and engineering advice which isn't available yet um the national standards authority have been asked to do that as well the pRO of the micah action group has warned that there needs to be a change in government if the right redress scheme cannot be delivered michael dowherty says the government acted in bad faith by publishing the revised effective concrete blocks bill yesterday the same version he says homeowners were shown last week when they were given promises their feedback would be added to an amended final version tomorrow a shortened form of pre-ledges slate of scrutiny if off the bill is due to get underway michael dowherty says time is running out for the government to fix homes if you don't get it right this time then we're going to have to do something different and it's just the same as anything else if you can't change the government and change their mind they've got to change the government and change the people and get people on there that'll take this thing seriously and get the job done we will not be given any more chances to this government garter resources are further diminishing in west on a goal this week it emerged that the patrol car in fulcara has now reached end of life with no current plan to replace it meanwhile dunfana he has been without a car since october which was also used to serve the creaselot area in the event of an emergency garter cars will now have to travel from either millford or gi door canter michael mclafrey says the lack of resources simply spells disaster this is a total lack of respect now for the first of all in garter's economy all the end alongside that then lack of respect to wealth of the community and i've asked you to pretend with this many many times everybody's passing the book and well it's at crunch point now nobody wants to take responsibility all i can see going forward is disaster and in the first day as well as the police for the people in the area 10 yards out there are no patrols here milk find at the house of a couple whose bodies were discovered in tibirari has indicated they could have died in late 2020 the bodies of 81 year 29 year old wife hillary are now believed to have gone undiscovered undiscovered for more than 18 months gardier looking to speak with the last person they were in contact with in the hopes of establishing a concrete timeline southern correspondent with the irish independent ralph regal says it's also hoped a toxicology report will provide more clarity we understand that the post mortems have been inconclusive and that toxicology and laboratory results are going to be critical it now looks as if the couple may have been dead inside the house for up to 18 months and that's another focus of the garter investigation to try and determine 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child and family agency responsible for improving well-being and outcomes for children has said the total number of children in care under a voluntary agreement in donagol stood at 41 at the end of 2021 those figures i believe are correct aren't they yes yes those figures are correct greg and i think it's important to see those figures in the context of the actual full numbers of children in care in the county and if you go back even in five years you were talking about 214 children at that point we reached a peak last year of 226 as we speak today there's 218 children in care now and actually the general trajectory of children in care is actually on the downward spiral what has happened in terms of the use of voluntary care there's certainly an increase there and there was an increase last year and it's both the important thing to ask is what is voluntary care well voluntary care is actually when parents or carers agree with us that their child needs to be in care for a period of time in order to help keep their child safe and in order to actually allow us to work with the family to allow the child to go back again and put services in place yeah so the breakdown then of children in caring donagol and those in care through a voluntary agreement then just so i'm clear on those figures yeah you've mentioned the figures there and like if you if you go through those 226 in total of which 41 are in care through a voluntary that's correct and so and greg when when when we get involved with the family in terms we've received a referral about a concern about a child you know we've got an intake team that actually goes through those concerns make sure the evidence is there to support those concerns and we will work with the family then to develop a network so we'll work with them we'll work with their relatives we'll work with other supports that they identify and create a plan with them to help keep their child safe that is our full that's where we put most of our efforts into actually working with families now over time when some children cannot be kept safe and that is when we get into discussions about the need for children to come into care because the level of harm that they're experiencing is not acceptable and so we will then seek agreement from the family um to actually get you know to actually identify a family member in the first instance where the child can actually stay that's least disruptive for the child that's with someone that they know it avoids the courts which can be very litigious and you can enter into battle so it's much more work so after 226 many of those children might be with relations but not their actual parent or parents yes they could be with relations and the majority of relative foster care of relative carers or voluntary care orders sorry are with foster carers or with general foster carers it's yes somewhere with relatives and we try and set up that when we can and and that often works and works very well for the child but often it's not possible within the family network it's a big thing to take on a relative's child um I mean obviously you're not going to have precise statistics in relation to this but every year children will come under the care of Tusla in Donegal absolutely and you're saying the figure is uh steady or a downward trajectory so uh what what normally happens to children who are no longer in care do they come of age where uh they're no longer um you know under the control of not control but under the umbrella of Tusla sure are they returned to their families or you know do they are they moved outside of Donegal how do the you know the the the out the outbound yeah children versus the inbound how so so any child who comes into into care Greg um the the first and foremost thing that we try and do is reunite the child with their carers that that's the most important thing and every year a child has a child in care review where the the plan is reviewed for that child and every year we ask is it possible for the child to go home that's the first question that's asked and those meetings are chaired independently so we actually get a good independent assessment of that um the other thing though that's very important and it's the question about what works best for children and young people in general so what works best for young people is that they're in a secure safe predictable environment and where that cannot be provided by carers then yes there are a cohort of children who end up in long-term care and Tusla at the moment are working very hard around looking at the permanency pathways for young people where they can feel most secure and most safe and can actually reach their potential within that permanency whatever route that is and that route can be staying with a relative that route can be going home that can be voluntary care with foster carers or can be long-term care with foster carers and so there are many different pathways but the most important thing is which is best for the child and what helps them develop to their potential now when a child reaches 18 and they become a young adult in fact when they're hitting 16 and they're likely to be in care still when they're 18 um we have a leave in an aftercare service that actually works with the young people that helps to transition them into young adulthood there's actually supports available right up to the age of 23 um that will actually support people through third level education it will it has funding attached to it in terms of if those young people are in a foster placement it's natural for them to continue that foster placement beyond their 18th birthday that happens as well and that and then they're supported and through the transition through to independent living i was um speaking to one of us it never made air it was just uh private private contact because they were um they were they were struggling and they felt they were struggling as they had um i think it was two children with additional needs uh they couldn't get the support that they needed from the state from government uh and they felt that they weren't able to cope and i don't know how it turned out but um my understanding is they said they were going to uh seek a voluntary agreement with Tootler because they simply couldn't cope on their own and they weren't getting uh the support that they needed from the HSA how common is that in donningall i mean we do come across situations and especially during covid when you know we all know the effects of covid and the devastating impact they've had and if you had families with children who had special needs um they struggled even more during covid because you know the services that they required actually weren't accessible because of covid so you had a lot of families struggling um very much at home so we actually we we have meetings where we meet with the HSE and we have a joint protocol with them and we talk about these cases um where there are young people with special needs parents are struggling they're not getting the services that they require and ultimately there's a risk of those placements breaking down like the example you've mentioned and children coming into care now during covid we actually spoke with the HSE about a cohort of those cases we engaged the services of the bluestack foundation down in county donningall who we fund to provide services into families with special needs and we were delivering out packs for young people with special needs during covid via the bluestack foundation they're a fantastic organization in south donningall and i'm sure you've you're aware of them um and basically what we managed to do with our colleagues in the HSE was actually come up with a respite package for a cohort of families that were actually struggling but there is no doubt that access to services is an issue and for is it uncommon or regular that this might happen i think i think it's fairly common that families experience difficulty in access to services could you could determine say for instance of the 226 children in care what proportion of those could be because the families felt they didn't have the supports to be able to care for those children it's actually a very small portion that's okay that was the question it's uncommon but it does happen yeah and what we need to understand there that the reason for our children being in care in donningall and the main reasons for that haven't actually changed over five years and and that's really about you know that's related to substance misuse mainly alcohol addiction and related problems around domestic violence is the pathway for a child to be returned to their mother or father or both is it does it need working on does it work very well you would know there's very vocal people around the country very active campaigns that feel that you know children can be too quick to be taken off parents and parents can find themselves completely cut out of their lives and you know it could be another it could be a another person in the child's life that they might feel the misrepresent to them and it's very complex it's complex there's just no doubt about that but does too so do this work good enough to as you say get people children back when it's a safe environment with their their mom or dad or both I think Craig we we have a practice model that we use working with families that's called signs of safety that is very much a strengths based model and working with families and we start with their strengths we don't start with their weaknesses so we actually look at what's strong what's good what can we build on within the family to allow children to stay with their families and when we want to take a child into care and the parents don't agree that that case ends up in the courts and then you get a guardian I'd like them appointed by the courts as an independent course in that scenario it's going to be Tuzla's word versus the parents though yeah absolutely and I think we know which way judge is most likely to come down there but that but what we get into Greg we have a care plan for every young person in care and if our care plan is long-term care we have to convince the courts and our care plans are tested to the nth degree and particularly by the guardian at Lightham who also has legal representation and rightfully so our our plans are tested we're asked all the questions we're recommending a very serious thing and taking a child away from their their carers it's it's the but you know the most draconian thing you can actually do but we're doing it for the safety welfare of that child who otherwise is going to actually suffer significant harm and that's what we do it but the courts have the ultimate say in that matter and they do test us and if you speak to if you speak to my social workers in Dunne Gall or across the west and what they'll say to you in terms of you know the thing that they find the toughest in their job the toughest situation has been cross-examined in court and being tested in terms of what they're planning that's right though Greg it should be like do all the the children in Dunnegall under Tussle's care that require a designated social worker to they have access to one yes um what we've struggled with more recently Greg is um the recruitment of social workers so as we currently speak nationally there is not enough social workers being coming out of the universities to actually fill all the vacancies that we have but in terms of a child's welfare you know you've seen how we can you've seen how we can react when we need to absolutely there should be no gap here yeah no absolutely and there should be a consistency there where possible as well absolutely and when we even if we have cases that are unallocated we actually use if we haven't a social worker we'll use a social care worker to go out and visit that child maintain the relationship make sure everything is going you know but there are going to be parents listening who will know that child hasn't had no access to a social worker for a long time yeah I think Greg even when a child is unallocated in the system it doesn't mean that we do not have contact with that but do you understand where I'm coming from your organization is charged with protecting children absolutely and caring for children in the absence of that care being provided for them at home now maintaining and supporting their emotional and psychological well-being would be a I would have imagined a fundamental part of that care yeah absolutely and in some cases you're actually failing in that regard I think I think Greg when we've got children in the care system yes as I explained we've got care plans for those children that identifies all of their needs and remember these young people are in the care of most of them in the care very experienced foster care I know I just do this with politicians Jerry and I really don't want to do it with you where we run around and answer different give different answers to different questions I'm asking you clearly there is a problem where some children have not yet been allocated a social a social worker many have their social worker changing on a regular basis it's kind of can be a little bit patch patchworky okay that needs to be fixed there's no I don't think there's any way to talk that's absolutely that needs to be fixed and we are we rely on you to care for these children when they can't get that care absolutely so what needs to be done to fix that Jerry and nationally we need to make sure that we you know we're working with universities that we're actually got a recruitment and retention policy for social workers that makes sure that we have enough numbers coming through to actually fulfill the tasks that are required so we need to do that and we have you know we have a recruitment policy at the moment that's working very hard with universities that's working hard with the local universities and Dunnegal Greg we offer you know all the graduates this year coming out of colleges and social work have been offered a contract by Tuskla to come in and work to address the deficits that are there and we are working closely with staff groups you know what social I mean are you competitive with you know other sectors that have are putting also in offers for these social workers absolutely we're very competitive right how you know I mean obviously as you say there's a there's a figure there it's hopefully a downward trend yeah that's the cases that we're catching if you know I mean not cases but the you know the situations we're catching how are we doing so and what could we be doing more in terms of making sure that that children that need our care or help are getting it yeah it's it's very important at the outside Greg if you look at our referral rates in terms of Dunnegal and what comes into us we've increased this year to about 41 referrals per week which was about 35 last year and a bit lower the year before that so referral numbers are going up that to me is a good sign that you know the reports are increasing there are a bit of post COVID catch-up though where I think things weren't being spotted because schools weren't running for example absolutely there's a bit of that GPs maybe you know they're they're not being able to see signs in their surgery because they're doing it over the telephone absolutely and there was and that was always a concern during COVID that that was going on but our referral rates are now back and they're higher than what they were before so so it's very important that you know anybody who's got a wealth or concern about a child that they report in there is the Toosla website Toosla.ie that's explains to everybody very clearly how to actually make a report our biggest referral agent is the GARDI and that's because they're out and about in the community and they report and stuff through but they catch it they catch it arguably very late um so well it depends I mean after I imagine you know we know the path of domestic abuse for example how it can accelerate and by the time the guards get to a scene yeah you just wonder what might have happened beforehand but listen it's not one size fits all but I know there's a range of situations that they report to us that can be you know some families can already be in crisis sometime it's early on the important thing is that there's a response we assess it and we find those children who are who are actually you know suffering harm and need the supports and we work with those families to give the supports that we can to help them stay at home okay Jerry unless there's anything you want to add yeah and I think from you mentioned children in care Greg I think I couldn't sit here and not talk about the foster carers who care for these children and one of the things we struggle with in addition to you know the the staff and problems that we have at the moment is recruitment of foster carers and I would encourage people out there in the community you know we need foster carers we need people to care for these children they need loving happy homes and I'd encourage you to make inquire inquiries if you're thinking about fostering and the number you can phone there is is<PHONE_NUMBER> and we talked about reporting concerns into Toosley there's a method for doing that on Toosley.ie but you can also contact our intake service and that's a team dedicated to taking referrals in and their numbers<PHONE_NUMBER> and it's very important that people report any concerns that they have for the sake of our children yeah okay listen thank you very much for your time this morning Jerry I appreciate it that's Jerry Holm there he's regional chief officer for Toosley West Northwest and we're back with more shortly. 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us thank you thank you and it's all very exciting times isn't it tiana uh you're part of a group of uh ruffo town football club players you're in the under 15s is that right we're under 16s under 16s okay and uh yous are all heading out to austria how many are you heading out there uh tiana 11 players plus the two coaches okay and tell us why what's happening over there it's a tournament about culture diversity and it's conflict countries trying to find common ground through football right and exciting isn't it it's exciting stuff Ella i think you're the only team in arland going out aren't you uh we're the only team in the republic of arland yeah and then there's the crusaders going from northern arland then and what do we know about what's going to happen so we had a meeting a while back with des and trevor and Hugh and they were telling us the activities that we're going to be doing and everything looks great it's on the itinerary that we got so we're all looking forward to that there and there's going to be kind of team building exercises with the other clubs and then there's going to be a joint training session and then a match on on the sunday so good stuff we're looking forward to that yeah and i'm sorry everyone the tackles will still be going in it's not going to be old friendlies of course right and i'll stay with you before bringing kaha and tiana back in here um you uh have been playing for a few years now with with the club you were topscoring under 14s yeah then injured now you're getting back to fitness it's been a topsy turv for a few years for you sports wise so incidentally i'm getting back to it because i was out there for about three months so yeah i'm just glad to be back and in your case i like is this something you know at a good level that you'd like to do you know when you're teen years whilst you're doing everything else or do you see a future playing um i love playing football it's like because i've played it all my life so you never know what could happen yeah all right it's okay some people are over talented carers one of them uh as well as being a defender and midfielder carer uh you are also pretty good athletics as well aren't you yeah i really enjoy i also play badminton and hockey and i play like badminton at the high performance level and i'm like trying to get on the irish teams and travel around the country to play in badminton yeah so you're well traveled through the other sports that you're interested in too but this is something different this is extra exciting isn't it yeah and i also love football and i love the team that i play with and the girls and i i came from a different school than most of the girls and it's just like a few of the best friendships that i've ever made yeah and a great way to meet new people it's difficult moving into a new school isn't it but if you find something a common interest it's great isn't it all right okay so you're excited for this uh tiana you're a goalkeeper with the under-16s as well uh but i'm not saying that you've also been involved with the senior women's squad is that correct yeah how did that come about because you are still pretty young yeah they're looking for an extra goalkeeper because you only have one yeah it's like a side goalkeeper and play with them sometimes right and what was that what's that like where do you have to travel for that for the training in games no no it's just in the same place as my under 16 team right brilliant stuff rougher but it's more fun yeah and you've kind of been flagged haven't you as being you know an emerging talent by the fai which is really exciting isn't it yeah i love it have you always been a goalkeeper or did you play outfield or no i used to play outfield when i first started when i was 11 yeah i used to play in midfield and then i used to do half and half and then i became mostly a goalkeeper and you're happy with that yeah all right okay what's all right yeah it's the defense and everything else fails it's all right tiana's got this yeah okay but i when you've played out like i'm not saying goalkeepers have to do an awful lot don't get me wrong right but you know when you've been out playing in midfield and what have you maybe a bit more action-packed say you're playing behind a really good team you might not see as much action as you would like but you've got used that you don't mind that you'll shout in orders from well i do have a lot to do it for you know do you i love to do my bad all right all right okay that's just another kick up the bomb to the girls outfield is it right yeah and come here do you think like i know this is a festival and all but do you think there were there scouts attend these type of events do you think or are they trying to keep it on on point because how often you know if you were scouting how often are you going to get the some of the best players in different countries all into one spot i mean could happen yeah could you never know right mainly for the fun though okay so you kind of ran through what's coming up so tell us how things wendy's travel out um what way you know what kind of stuff he's going to be doing do you know much about that yet um we travel on thursday right on our flights on friday very early we should have set the arrive at the accommodation at 12 at about two o'clock aren't you combination at 12 and then it's going to be it's going to be fun and then down to the game um it's the uh raffle town football club for our listeners is as we've mentioned it's the only team from the republic of island taking part in the girls football festival the other seven uh are european countries that will be represented our bosnia and herzegovina and montenegro syria kruisher greece northern island and austria i mean just to meet different people from different places with different backgrounds it's going to be fantastic isn't it um is it around robin or just one game that you're playing on the sunday then we're not sure it was more like matches as a tournament so it's probably going to be round robin and then whoever comes out top yeah exactly and what do you think uh you're the straight talker here tiana our chances yeah well who's the captain on this team as well it's it's not you isn't we don't don't have an under 15 team it's an under 16 team it's kind of new farm so we don't have a captain yet brilliant stuff and um in terms of your actual playing for your club uh where are you in terms of the season and all that type of stuff um we have actually have a match on tonight stop doing against moray so we're actually playing um we're starting to get we're just starting to get into the season at the minute and then it like started off as a bumpy start as a new team yeah and then once we got into the season and we started playing some super games so we're actually picking off ourselves now in the league table and hoping to head into the top part of the table brilliant good stuff because there's so many different sports looking for you aren't there you know uh that you know it's it's hard to you have to really be committed to it don't you especially and it's it's clear that you are well listen it's all very very exciting um there's 11 years in total going out and two we're about this Friday yeah but there's 11 obvious team players and then there's two coaches isn't yeah um can i just thank you yes i carry anything you want all of you whatever you just want to say just say now we're here and the dunnegoth sports partnership for giving us this opportunity and then we couldn't do it without Liam and Shanaid there they're probably sitting watching us at the minute but they also put so much work into it and then that Ronan and Shanaid are well home tiered to take a group of us away um because it may be tough but we're so excited to go yeah all right anything you want to say to yana i think soccer mom's over the top soccer mom's okay well true i am from home yeah all right Ella um no just the whole club for and and the coaches we're putting up with this now and we're going away but listen come here the journey's overnight it's not ideal but at least you get into accommodation nice and early and you've got full day then yeah you know okay listen brilliant well done to you as all well done to the club itself uh representing the republic of Ireland i mean that's really quite significant isn't it you know so it's a brilliant thing and it sounds like it's a very useful event hopefully maybe we'll talk to someone after you've come back to sort of get a sense of what uh was going on but for now uh tiana hanigan uh goalkeeper uh car eating defender midfielder and Ella mccarran midfielder and forward all three if you thank you so much for coming in and uh safe travels and i hope you have a fantastic time thank you thank you for having you the nine till noon show is brought to you by letter kenny credit union offering low-rate car loans with fast approval apply online at 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of the crew as well obviously we couldn't get all 11 plus the coaches in uh and i think the three girls there represented all of them really really well okay let's go through some of these comments that have been coming in so far this morning because as i said earlier on we want to make sure we give them the platform they deserve what happens when you are referred to tucilla regarding your child's attendance at school we've had a referral made to tucilla because our child has missed so many days they have a medical condition that is a box ticking exercise in my experience of talking to people uh lots of young ones were off for over 21 days uh for various reasons through covid and you can't not contact parents because covid is around because then you could miss situations where the children are in bother and i know a lot of parents took umbrage at that going hold on a second you know they were they had this and that and the other but then if suppose if you think about it if they didn't check they could miss situations so as i say my understanding is it's quite a simple process and it's like oh right okay that makes sense right let's go to the comments about uh let's go to the comments about lots of different ones coming in i want to go to the comments about the defective blocks scandal that we are living through at the moment uh can greg please ask charlie about the work life balance bill where they are looking to change the word woman for the constitution passing uh this bill without any consultation with the people and this needs to be explained that conversation maybe for another day nobody could believe the torture the micro families are going through let this be the last of it says a texture another the government are going to do what they want and it won't matter what the people need or want that's always been the way everyone knows that well you know what you can see what's happening over in uh britain at the moment um the rail unions have risen up they're they're they're they're out and they've been well led actually and they are saying no hold on yet you're the billionaires government um we're not actually just going to take what you're saying we're gonna we're gonna strike and i see the likes of the sun newspapers and others turning on them calling the marxists no matter of things but the public actually the majority of the people actually support the likes of the rail unions in their strike and i think there's a movement happening over there and you know what i can see it happening here where ordinary people ordinary workers simply say you know enough is enough i'm not going to just type about it i'm actually going to get involved in something that's going to make a change it it's happening over there at the moment i can see that even growing bigger um because the the government is taking a stance they're using the media their media can you imagine buying a newspaper a controlled newspaper i can't understand any person would do that but that's what they have uh and who are trying to demonize the strikers and and they're going to try and take them on they're heading to the 80s again some of you will be old enough to remember the minor strikes somewhat happy i think that's the road they're going down again uh over there but you know maybe people over here would say we don't have to accept certain things uh call us as disgraceful begrudgery they know what's happening to our houses they know what effect it's having on homeowners and their families and yet they prevaricate nitpick and spout hot air the money involved equates to the increased money the talking in taxes and duty from the recent increases and diesel it's sickening says that caller another believes that this is not redressed thank you for recognizing this greg you're going to be scammed by this rubbish either or you're not going to how can charlie mcconnell low sleep at night this is people's lives they're gambling with would charlie be happy to move into a crumbling micro home with his children and no uh and i'm sure he's been through uh is fair share through this process as a well i mean there is a point now maybe at this moment where politicians can make a very strong argument to fight from within you know uh mark mcshary for example can't do much now outside the the fina for parliamentary party just becomes an opposition voice so if you want to make i know this is no criticism of deputy mcshary by the way i'm just talking to the logic that you stay within and you fight the corner of the people that elected you from within but there comes a point then when that fight is lost uh and then it comes to a point whereby a government with a very narrow majority uh the dull votes and uh it's whether the government has enough numbers to pass what they want and that is when really the pressure comes on people to do something there's that's when you can actually do something because you can do no more from within and it comes down to you know who to our back here hi greg do tds and all politicians go to a secret school after they're elected where they learn not to answer a question and keep talking and saying nothing doesn't work in their favor i don't know why uh i'm so deflated i feel like throwing the keys to the bank and saying good luck i simply can't take any more of this says this caller uh greg your questioning of charlie mcconnellogue is far too aggressive he's doing his best but he's up against it in doblin as well well my apologies if my question came across as too aggressive i would hope maybe the word might be direct but anyway i respect your view thank you can you ask charlie what will i end up paying to have my house fixed can you ask him will he pay any additional costs associated with this whenever he's sure this is a hundred percent redress this is an absolute joke does he think we came down uh in the last shower i would have to listen back to i would have to listen back to the interview but i don't believe uh minister mcconnellogue used the word 100 percent at any point through that uh i think it was about you know full costs but then of course not driveways not pavements not garages uh you know whatever else might have to go along with this uh and you know the way around that way you can work with home monitors allow them to build a smaller house but access the same size grant they again it's the people that are coming up with real significant compromises by the way uh but ways that this could work a call assess if this scheme was done properly last year it would have been 100 000 cheaper on the government dragging their heels is only seeing costs flying up and making it more expensive for families and the government ask charlie to answer straight will i get anything for my 45 000 euro shed that i saved every penny i had for it i unless i heard wrong i think that was actually given as an example of what would be an additional cost to the homeowner a call that says many people are in denial on the mica issue will they in five years time be allowed to apply for the scheme yeah it's a good question uh when we get a scheme maybe we can ascertain that i know it's probably in that document but i i wasn't able to go through it all uh a call assess the foundations are not included unless the nsi include them in a year's time when it's reviewed i just have a sense where that's going and as i say this pushes this whole thing into 2022 if that's 2023 that's what it feels like to me new government effectively cabinet reshuffles new leader hi greg why doesn't charlie just say the government are holding off on paying until the next election and make themselves look good that's why he won't answer the questions thanks greg uh charlie mcconnellogues days are numbered he'll not get the votes from the people for not standing with them charlie mcconnellogues is a fina full representative there's a lot of fina full voters uh in this county and um you know he i presume he would enjoy the support of the majority of those unless i might very much mistaken uh so it's nothing's a fate to complete it also depends who else might be standing who maybe could be from former fina full ranks who's to say what could happen there do i have to build on the same foundation or can i build a different house same footprint i think is what they said greg i agree that everyone should get 100 to replace the size of the house they decide to build if we decide to downsize give what that size of house would cost this is costing billions and a large proportion of buildings not even included yet a few more here uh something badly rung if you can't put up a house with 420 000 even with inflation okay but you have to take out uh you you potentially there's a lot of i mean everyone knows what goes into building a house plus engineers fees uh and all the other stuff uh that has to come out of that 420 it doesn't belong being gobbled up how many deadlines is the mica group going to give the government after 10 years they're not going to budge just bring them out you have the people power behind you in fairness to them you do kind of have to you know this there's still towing and throwing that scheme has been changed a little over the last week i think you kind of have to find out what the final final thing is don't you um that would be prudent i would imagine okay anyway listen um still more of your calls and comments to come really appreciate you sharing your views on such an important matter to you with us let's take a break we'll come back with the news we've got live music coming for you between 11 and 12 a really popular singer you won't want to miss that the 90 noon show is brought to you by letter kenny credit union with monster loans available up to 60 000 euro for all occasions visit letter kennycu.ie have you bought your ncbi radio bingo book yet contribute to this fantastic charity and be in with a chance to win daily cash prizes of 400 euro books are now 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be built on the existing foundations of our property but rather the footprint a special meeting of donning all county council is to be held on monday kehirla councillor jack moray has requested the meeting to discuss the interagency response in donning all to the ukrainian crisis garada resources are diminished in further in west donning all this week it emerged that the patrol car in fulcara has now reached end of life with no current plan to replace it meanwhile donfana he has been without a car since october which was also used to serve the crease the area and the event of an emergency garada cars will now have to travel travel from either milford or gridore the number of children in care in donning all has slightly decreased from a peak at the end of last year 226 children were in care in the county at the end of last year that is down to 218 according to latest figures investigations are underway until a large fire in the water side area of dairy last night the blaze at the site 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know have the opportunity to give birth at home um though many more um would potentially like to yeah why why would someone might why might someone want to have a birth at home rather than a hospital do you know where you would you know uh where you'd have all the teams on hand god forbid if anything were to go wrong during the process of course yeah um so the reason why some women choose to home birth um is has many different facets to it but the primary one is not having to leave the comfort of your own home um the large body of international research evidence tha