It varied so I will segue a commitment to ensuring transparent and good decision making. I have huge confidence in this. With the shared planning service we have a comprehensive implementation and change program underway. Anormous bit of work. And that's to ensure that we improve where we need to. I'm fully supportive of this process and of the staff who are working hard to deliver in the best interest of our residents. Bring in two large and complex services together was never going to be an easy task. But I am confident that while we still have some way to go, we are on the right track and we are making solid progress. Thank you, leadership. Mr Fulton, do you have a supplementary question? Yes I do. I appreciate your response very much, and I appreciate the level of thought and engagement you gave to my question. It would be good if residents didn't need to take time off work to come to council meetings to feel as though they had been heard and listened to by the council. I feel that there's a disconnect between the cinema that the CEO and the leader just expressed and my day-to-day experience as a resident of the district. I don't actually have a supplementary question, but thank you very much for your response. Thank you. So, Mr Forddon, I'm sorry you feel that way, particularly as you're the only resident who's come to my meeting so far. So, I hope that you don't feel disconnected because we do welcome you here. But as I've said, we know that improvements are still being implemented with the planning service. So, I trust that your experience will be of improvement, but I hope you will also always feel welcome to come here to bring your concerns directly to us. Thank you very much. Thank you, and may I thank all of the public speakers, as the leaders have already said, which you are always welcome. We do appreciate your involvement. We come now to item 7, Petitions, page 2 of your agenda. One petition has been submitted as set out in the agenda, which is related to the Hackney carriage and private hire licensing policy and conditions, which is an item later on on the agenda. Mr Tariq Ahmed, the lead petitioner, is present at the meeting, and for that reason I propose to bring item 8F, the item I mentioned on your agenda, forward and deal with it as the first of the motions before us after the petition has been heard. Do I have a second for that proposal to bring item 8F forward? Thank you, Councillor Roberts. Can we take that by activation? Yes, everyone agrees. Thank you very much indeed. Before we move to that debate, we shall receive the petition. Details of the petition states that taxi drivers project the mandatory company door sign, which has received 164 signatures, have been circulated with your agenda. They are on page 2, and there is an accompanying letter on page 19. Mr Ahmed, as the petition organiser, would you please come forward and present your petition to us? When the traffic light turns red, you must stop speaking. Councillors may then ask questions of clarification, and we will then respond to your petition. So, please will you now present your petition to us? We may be sitting right in terms of red. You must stop speaking. Councillors may then ask questions of clarification, and we will then respond to your petition. So, please will you now present your proposal of this policy? I would like to say to driver your own safety, because whether you have to accept that you are more than one company, it is potentially not technically safe to come out of the city or to change your door signs, and loss of income, because loss of one company does not have any company size, and also small companies are losing income as well, because they cannot ask jobs to join them. It is also affecting the wonderful people like customers, because small companies are doing door signs, or that is a busy of mind job, so customers are losing the jobs. Also, learning by drivers, companies are dictating, big companies are benefiting from this policy, particularly because they have been targeting the drivers, not working with other companies, small companies, and their customers are losing, which seems unfair. We also have an article, an article for drivers that can be used, which was proven that one of the big companies was texting the drivers of WhatsApp group and their platform, not to work with other companies, to catch you and some people taking part of the system, which we have for last week, because we think it is really not going to improve their class as a partner, but they are putting pressure on text, the drivers to put the door signs on, which is making it hard for them, and these drivers are working for that company, and they want to earn some extra money, so they have a life, not letting them know what is the small companies should they find out. They were not able to find out what this policy is going to do, because of this policy, they are not a leader for them, and also the points they are getting, if someone is going to do them, so the other effect for this policy is because they are forcing them to have the door sign on 2047, which is affecting the breaking into the cars and the parking lot, so please are instructing drivers who are in the car, because I am just taking everything away, don't think it is not like it is only a taxi, and if this policy is not able to do that anymore, because if someone takes it into the public council system, the drivers will have to get penalised for that. So please, I think very much that is it. The main reason for this is that they are linking this policy, the door sign is for public safety, it has nothing to do with the public safety, it is purely serving the company to many people there, so to stop all the work that is going on in the platform, they are linking this policy, and also those other issue ways to have the door sign, necessarily because customers complain about that, and to your Alzheimer's in terms of something, because when we are not working, we are in class, and the door will go, and if any public person has an issue in the car parking lot, so the door sign is for the traffic ward, it doesn't have to be the company sign on the first door, so that's what we reckon with. Can you wind up, please, Mr Outman? Thank you, stay there please, because if there are any questions of clarification which members wish to ask of Mr Ahmed, you are entitled to do it now. Are there any questions? So that's what we reckon with, please. No, thank you. In that case, Mr Ahmed, would you return to your seat, please? May I remind you, you are not permitted to join in any of the discussion which you might follow. Thank you very much indeed for coming, Mr Ahmed. I call upon Councillor Bill Handley as the lead Cabinet Member for the Environmental Services and Licensing to respond to the petition. Thank you, chair, can I first through the discussion? Thank you very much, Mr Outman, to drive our colleagues for their engagement in the whole-of-all-of-house process. I call upon Councillor Bill Handley as the lead to the part of environmental services and licensing to respond to the petition and consent to it. I call upon Councillor Bill Handley to respond to the petition and consent to the petition and hear today and also to the various other devices and meeting and any of that to our colleagues for their engagement in the whole-of-all-of-house process. gyda'r llwyso yn ddych chi, ond tynno o gymrydau gyda rhai synnu yng Nghymru. Ydw i'n siannod. Fy nifer ystod ar fy gwsun, rydyn ni femeidio â fel gyfosniadau. Rydyn ni ddim yn bwysig, rydyn ni'n ddangos i'r ffordd. Rydyn ni'n dweud hynny, rydyn ni'n olyg i nifer y bod ni cyllid hyry, a rydyn ni'n olyg yn gweithio â allan nhw ychydig yn gweithio allan nhw. byddwn i'n dweud i gael'r ffordd am w exempel ac daith ymgwrs. Yn y bwysig, dyna'r ddweud wedi'i dweud i gael. Yna oeddwn i gael'r ffordd am w moisture? Yn y bwysig, dyna'r ddweud i gael y ffordd. Yn y bwysig, dyna'r ddweud i gael. I can give you some clarity, he is not in charge of it. Are there any other questions? Councillor Williams. Thank you. So to ensure my understanding is correct, so to the point that you just used today, we are saying that as councillers we are not going to discuss it. I can give you some clarity, he is not in charge of it. It would be better if we could have your discussion in the minutes of the discussion because it is difficult. Thank you, that is not the case. As I intended to say in a short while, late correspondence has been received, which makes it appropriate that we should postpone the discussion of the issue, but we shall certainly be discussing it and we shall certainly be taking Mr Ahvent's position and the petition signed by our late correspondence into a councillor. It makes it appropriate that we should postpone the discussion of the issue, but we shall certainly be taking Mr Ahvent's position and the petition signed by our late correspondence into a councillor. Our legal officers are reminded me that I shall be proposing that we postpone the discussion of item 8f. That is only a proposal and if members wish to defeat that proposal and discuss the item today, that is still a possibility. Our legal officers are reminded me that I shall be proposing that we postpone the discussion of item 8f. Thank you. You can discuss the petition now, that is what this session is for, but with the discussion on the actual licensing policy I am going to propose will be deferred to a later date. So, does anyone wish to discuss the petition? You can discuss the petition now, that is what this session is for. Thank you. In that case, again may I thank Mr Ahvent for the petition which we will take into account and we now move on to a later date. We need to take forward on the proposal that we note this petition. Can we accept that by acclamation? Thank you very much indeed. Thank you Mr Ahvent. We then move on to item 8f, which is the Hackney carriage and private hire licensing policy and conditions. It comes from the licensing committee on 11 November. It is on pages 115 to 214 of your agenda. Late correspondence has been received from a number of different parties concerning the new proposed taxi policy. It has not been possible in the limited time available to us to carry out the necessary due diligence and to give proper consideration to the points raised in that correspondence. I am aware that there has been extensive consultation already on this policy, but it is important that we continue to listen carefully to new information and to allow time for potential further consideration should that be required. Accordingly, I propose that consideration of this agenda item 8f be deferred to allow for further period of consultation and consideration as appropriate to that. Do I have a second potential? Thank you. I think the leader was there. I propose consideration of this agenda item 8f. All right, if you are going to scrap council moments and second it for my proposal, may we approve that by acclamation what your members wish to debate it? Right, thank you. Council mentioned it. I propose consideration of this agenda item 8f. All right, if you are going to scrap council moments and second it for my proposal, may we approve that by acclamation what your members wish to debate it? Right, thank you. Is that true? Right, thank you. Council mentioned it. Thank you. Licensing, prevent, presented, comments, back to the licensing committee, but this comes from the licensing committee. That is what the chairman of the licensing committee tells. Licensing, prevent, presented, comments, back to... We can't debate this in this forum. Does it actually matter? Can we get clarity afterwards and put that into the minutes? Thank you. Council around. Sorry, the chairman of the licensing committee, the right councillor. What actually happened was that licensing committee recognised that there were a lack of support for zero carbon and low emission vehicles that we wanted to seek advice from the climate change committee. And is there comments that have been put by the officers into this function, which has then been put directly to the council? That's correct. I don't know if you want me to comment on that. I just failed to understand, if I may direct my eye out, not to you, Chair, but other people who have you, where we are, it must be a lead member who has not been charged with this. You know, this has been through several committees in swimming. It's just that it's meant for a widely consulted way during tax-e-tri-interview issues and, of course, public safety. This has been going on from us. And now, so we understand that it's being withdrawn for further consideration, widely consulted. You can't even get this. Thank you. I take it that last remark was addressed to the chair. And I apologise by this. I thought you meant the intention to withdraw it, which was certainly not the members' intention. I'm not sure that there was a question within that, so I'm not quite sure how to answer it. But I hope that you're satisfied that last remark was addressed to the chair. Is there anyone else who wishes to speak? Can we now take this call to the council for riddle-spoken members? Is this a clarification? I'm not sure that there's a question. As a clarifier, we took legal advice prior to the presentational policy and draft policy, which was presented to the consultation period, and that legal advice was integrated into the policy. Just recently we have received advice that that legal advice has changed, which is why we need to take it into account. Thank you, Chairman. Through you, I can't understand why this is being delayed for six months of the third consultation. This consultation is no longer six months. This has had a long time already. Why, why the long wait, if it's about passenger safety? Through you, I appreciate tax drivers' comments, and they should be taken into account, but not six months. Why six months? It is not six months, Council. It is six weeks. Does that answer your question? Thank you. Council handed. Thank you. Are there any other questions? For a formal vote, or can we take this by activation? Thank you. Does everyone agree? Thank you. This item is then deferred for a six-week consultation to make sure that we get it right. Thank you. I will come back to Council in February. May I thank again Council and any other taxi drivers who came this afternoon? You are very welcome to stay for the rest of our debate, but you are also very welcome to leave if you wish. Thank you. Thank you. We move on to item 8a, the investment strategy, which comes from Cabinet, getting in the second of October. Page is 2162 of your agenda. I call upon Councillor John Williams, the lead Cabinet Member for Finance, to move the recommendation of the Cabinet. Thank you, Chair. I think it's been exactly the reasons for this recommendation. I would like to say, though, that I give my thanks to Ogesers Council, who has put so much work into this. When we took control of this council 18 months ago, this council did not have an investment strategy. Our officers have worked really hard to make sure that not only do we have a strategy, but we have one which has been passed through SIPFA, taking into account all the statutory guidance below the Government. I believe it has now given us an investment strategy, which is acceptable and for others to follow. I would urge council to accept the recommendations so that we can continue with our investment programme of £300 million over the next five years. Thank you. Do you have a second? Thank you. The leader is going to second this proposal. Do you wish to speak now, Leader Roy? Leader will reserve her comments. Is there anyone else who wishes to speak on this item? Thank you. Do you have a second? Councilor Williams, was your one having a comment? The leader is going to second this proposal. Do you wish to speak now, Leader Roy? Thank you. Originally, when this came to us for 100 years, and that was in February of this year, I welcome the increase in scrutiny of the events of the time that were called. Hopefully, that was something that we raised. I'm pleased to see that that is being held. Page 182 of our papers in February, so I might be more like for those ones, though I do still have them. The Government shares SIPFA's concerns about the scale of borrowing for commercial purposes and sub-lobal authorities, MH, CLG and HM Treasury and considering further potential interventions. That was in the report, put together for the budget, when it was £120,000. Obviously, this has increased significantly since the Northern Rail. That is nothing else. I'm just wondering whether this is expected to be affected by those interventions. I'm thinking that in February, when it comes to climate, because that's amount is very unnerving concerning. I don't know if I'm comfortable with the scale of what I've been able to do. Thank you. I can't say that. Thank you Chairman. My next question is the detail of page 34, just reading through the process that we will go through in deciding on these investments. This reads a lot better if paragraph 6.3 comes before paragraph 2. Then you don't have to describe what to see in this perspective. It is further down. Just to re-order those paragraphs. I do understand that because of the whole of our budget, we do need to make more progress. So it is important that it does go up. Thank you very much. Come slow talking. Thank you very much. Someone has been through this with a big radio head with some of the form and shape governance of extra scrutiny governance. It's not just a little bit. It's some pages and paragraphs of stuff. I'm quite right too enough. The only person when you were chipping off about how wonderful all this was, the only person who wrote the presser, no one pushed us as councillors. So I invite the IEP members to page 34. Our councillor. Chairman, I made it. Thank you. I made the point and scrutiny. I'll make it again. This strategy does lock this council into some very long term investments. Investments, which in some cases are in single properties with a single tenant. If that tenant should fail, then we are left with a property which we have made already for some time. So there are risks and we should not underestimate those risks. It does need to be properly scrutinised. It needs to be properly monitored and a single level of care, great care that needs to be taken. Thank you very much. I have no other speakers needed if you wish to speak now. Thank you. Well, no doubt councillor Williams will talk about this as well. So we always welcome constructive criticism advice from all men. My understanding is the majority of the amendments to this were due to the fact that it went through SIPFA and it's been through a very, very robust review from SIPFA, which has highlighted areas where things could be strengthened up. So pegging up on the other points, the important thing is that we have a broad portfolio that we do not have all our eggs in one investment basket because that is risky. So by spreading our investments we minimise our risk and I've benefited from the SIPFA trade. I possibly wouldn't have known all this stuff two years ago. It's also important that we have exit strategies for all our investments and that we have a very, very robust asset management programme in place. In fact my understanding of the training I've had is that it's all very well buying stuff with all these millions of pounds but actually if you don't manage it then it won't work for you. So we're taking this extremely seriously. The opportunity to do nothing as far as investments is long past. We all know whatever our political affiliation of the challenges facing local government now, thanks to the continued reduction in central government funding and the uncertainty in the future. So if we just want to keep on treading water we have to have revenue from investments. If we want to actually start delivering more, delivering on our priorities, particularly in my mind those to do with decarbonising South Cambridgeshire, we have to generate more money to do it and if we want to succeed that has to be considerable sums of money. So we have reviewed the overall summer investing list in order to meet the needs that we foresee. And I think that Councillor Williams has done an outstanding job on this and I also pick up on his thanks for officers who have really helped us dramatically and put something together which actually I think will be an example of many other candidates. Thank you Councillor John Williams. Thank you chair. I welcome comments from everyone and in fact we have had comments from members, we have had comments from officers and to be as open and transparent as possible we have ensured that the document that you have received highlights those changes that we have made because we have got nothing to hide in this. And in fact my purpose was to reduce a document that was fit for purpose that took on all the best practice from elsewhere, took on all the comments that were made by members of the workshop, took on all the comments that were made by officers of this council and indeed comments made by Sitford to ensure that we have a document that is robust and will ensure that we can carry forward our investment programme with the knowledge that we have taken on all the guidance that we have to and need to. As to the amount, the leader has already explained why we have increased the amount of borrowing amount of money that we can spend on our investments. It has come about because this council needs the income from our investments to maintain our services, not only maintain our services but actually to improve our services. And I accept that commercial investments in particular are risky business which is why on page 44 we have an investment criteria matrix which our officers are sticking to rigidly which was agreed by scrutiny and cabinet and again which has been out to consultation to enable members to make comments on it. I think it's a pretty robust matrix to ensure that we are making sure that we look after the money that our residents pay but it's better that we use our money to make sure our money works for us, to make sure that we're going to have it sitting in a bank or building society earning next to nothing on interest that that money is making money for us that we can put into our business. So I'm not in any way ashamed of what we are doing here. It's the future although the government is not only us that is doing this, but every council in this country is doing it. And finally on the point of the governance I want to draw your attention to page 55 which gives the governance arrangement. And as you see that from the officers investment selection team it then goes to the investment governing board, it then goes to scrutiny, cabinet and finally this council. So there are a number of checks and balances to make sure that there are ample opportunity for members to check and make sure that we are spending this money wisely and having due regard to the risk involved. As I say I would commend that you support the recommendations of this report so that we can go forward with as I say a robust investment strategy which will enable this council to ensure that we can protect our services in the future for investment from income made by investments by this council. Thank you council Williams. Before we go to the vote I wonder if I could ask you simply to comment on council Smith's question on page 34 that paragraph 6.2 and 6.3 should be reversed. I'm quite happy to accept that. Thank you. We will now go to a vote on this issue. If you are favour you press the green button. If you close the motion you press the red button. If you wish to abstain you press the yellow button. Has everybody voted? May we see the result? Press the green button. If you close the motion you press the red button. If you wish to abstain you press the yellow button. 35 have voted in favour and 10 have voted against with one abstention. Sorry 26 I beg your pardon. I'm very grateful if we try to find a larger display for this. 26 have voted in favour, 10 have voted against, one has abstained and therefore the motion is carrying abstention. Thank you. We move on to 8B. General Fund Revenue and Capital Provisional Out of Term 2018-19 comes from Cabinet on 2 October. Pages 63-76 of your agenda. Again I call on council John Williams to propose the motion on it. First of all I'd like to draw your attention to a couple of time posts. On page 69 we refer to the amount that has been led to Nuremberg Street as paragraph 62 as 28,054. That should be 28,054,000. 28,000 is 28,000 is 28,000. The other type of home is on page 75 where we've missed off the three zeroes at the top there on the roll over value. So actually we have rolled over 330 pounds. It's actually 330,000. I'm very pleased to be presented this report because it refers to the first year of lived death control of this council. During that first year we had record revenues. We had not only more income from our business rates but also more income from grants and from the shared planning service. That has enabled us to be able to put some six million pounds into reserves. Now normally if we were certain that that income would continue then that would be factored into the immediate financial strategy and that money would go on then for the next five years as income. It has enabled us to put that into the bottom line but we can't because we have a fair funding review which by all accounts would take money from this council for social care and I've heard nothing in any of the manifestos, we suggest that that will not happen. We have also got the possibility of the NHS winning its case of whether it is a trustee or not and we could be exposed if the government decides not to refund us. We could be exposed to several millions of pounds of having to give back to the NHS. Finally of course we have Brexit. Who knows what's going to happen next year with Brexit, how that's going to affect the cost of our services, how that's going to affect the living standards of our residents but we must ensure that we be prepared for that. So in all circumstances that extra revenue would be put into the immediate financial strategy to be carried forward but we have to because of these unknowns take it as a win for and put it into our reserves and make sure that we have a decent amount of reserves to meet these challenges that are coming down the line at us. But nevertheless I think it's a really good result for the first year of this council registration and I look forward to be able to present an even better out for the current financial year. I'm pleased to keep your party affiliations under wraps and make sure that we discuss the issues as they are presented to us. Is there anyone who wishes to come through with us? Thank you. I think all this has been bolted perhaps in that order. But I just have a few matters of clarification. It's just on page 73. We've got a grant to do the village design state which some of that is going to be passed on. Just checking that the grant was in time. If it was grant funded, is there a reason why we've not been able to raise it as much as we can provide the resources? The other thing is on the local plan roll over just to check that that's not for many delay or interview. For local plan roll over on page 73, which paragraph of page 73 is the local plan roll over? Number two, thank you. Number five are the issues of them. Number two, thank you. Any other comments? Number two, thank you. Number two, thank you. It's very interesting to hear Councillor Williams taking full credit for the very successful year. I think councillors have heard me say before here what he was actually using last year as a business man. He was a conservative manifesto that we had bequeathed with a five year manifesto. We did point out at the time that it was very unusual for a new administration to come in with no manifesto and to be using our manifesto in the first year. We would certainly look forward to seeing the Liberal Democrats when it comes forward. We did point out at the time. There's a request to a chunk of the 3 million quid into service transformation in the organisation. It's a service transformation that I've changed for a system of resource. It's not really so reasonably sized as it is on the council, but it's not. It's a multi-nation. It's a request to 3 million quid into service transformation. Anyway, we're welcome to see some clarification on what we're going to spend 3 million quid on in terms of transformation, so what will be the benefit to our results? Thank you, Chairman. That's exactly my question as well, because I think a lot of people are very worried about management consultants and about turning our organisation upside down when this was a conservative, indeed a share of an extremely well-run council. So I'd like to echo, by colleagues from Ars and Belied, what is this 3 million pounds going to be spent on? Chairman, can I refer you back once again to the paragraph 22 on page 69? The second sentence is said, in the event 23,147 million was actually advanced. I presume that's 23 point. What can I say? Thank you for clarifying that. Councilor Roberts. It's been a long day. I'm just a little concerned that the Liberal Democrats are becoming a little bit like Mr Corbyn and have no idea about the limitations of spending. Now, what on earth are they needing 3 million pounds for? I get the feeling that somebody's got a project in mind, and it's been a reasonable amount of money that may be required for it, then somebody's decided to add lots to it.  A recent conversation I had with the chief executive when we were talking, I was wondering about these people. We were actually going to re-look at planning because I agree with them about planning, and we were told, well, no, we don't need to start that ball rolling again. So, I think that question does need to be answered here.   I didn't make any comments. I voted against your budget plans a little while earlier today. Because I am concerned that the money that this organisation is spending is actually in great danger of getting out of control. I understand the need for us to bring income, but the figures that you're now starting to expand upon are really quite worrying to me. I think you maybe need to get reading Dickens, and in particular David Copperfield, a one Mr McCorber have to say about spending money. Thank you. May I remind the members that you address all your comments to the chair, please? I have no other comments, so I will ask the councillor to send a comment now, please. Can you say about spending money by this time? Yes. Thank you. May I remind the members that you address all your comments to the chair, please? As some of the councillor Williams highlighted, there's a great deal of uncertainty, and these are the outlook of this council. This is a recommendation associated with establishing a basis for going forward with the council, which has come to have uncertainty and reality about uncertainty. There is no doubt that we, as a council, need to change the way we do things, and to recommend our activities to the public. There is huge opportunity for facing us in terms of the potential. There is no digital transformation. It has to be cancelled. Commercialisation has to be talked about. All of which will not come cheap. There is a great deal of resources to implement. But, as we talked about before, we have no option but to do this. This is the future. Can we face and have to deliver on a transformation programme to establish a sustainable council going forward? So, that is the reason for the recommendation. That is the reason for the level of the transformation programme. I think that this is the place where we actually face and have all the different ones. I can't do the transformation. Thank you. Council Williams. Council Williams. Order. The point of order requires a reference to the constitution to which part of the constitution you are referring to, please. Thank you. Council Williams. Order. Council Williams. Thank you, Chair. I hope to be able to answer the question. Order requires a reference to the constitution to which part of the constitution you are referring to. Can I take these other points first? Talking about improvement plans. Obviously, we don't really know from one year to the next how many requests we are going to get for improvement plans. So, therefore, the carry-on over-the-poll improvement plan spent one year to the next is something that happens at the end of every financial year. So, I can assure. That is not a point of order. Will you please not interrupt? Sorry, I thought you did. The other question you asked was to do with local plans and the neighbourhood plans. Obviously, again, that very much depends on the speed. Council Williams, I may have been my mistake because I originally referred to five and two. It is items one and two on page 73 to which the question referred. And the neighbourhood plans in all these three games. Right, okay. So, we are not interested in that. On the design statement, again, on the design statement, it very much depends on demand. You cannot, you know, every year you make an assumption that things are going to be done within that financial year, but you are depending on others to complete that one. So, it is natural, therefore, that you roll forward the money that is not spent into the following year so that that work can be completed. So, I really don't understand your concern on that. Council Williams, the question was whether the grant would go out in time. As far as I am aware, there is no constraint on that. Thank you. That is an answer to the question. Can you continue that? Now, going back to the issue of transferring a wind fence in three million of the money in the general fund to cause transformation. I think any of the members that have been interested enough to go to the presentation on the midterm financial strategy will know exactly why that three million pounds is required to help us change the structure of this council to deliver a council which is more efficient. It is able to deliver us revenue savings while protecting frontline services. That money is there, it is a pot of money to enable us to do that. It doesn't mean that we are going to spend up to three million pounds, but it is a provision there, a budget which we can use to cause that transformation. I am hoping that we don't spend up to that three million, but it needs to be there to ensure that we have the flexibility to enable us to proceed with the transformation of this council and its reorganisation of its management structure. That is why that three million is there. It still leaves us with nearly 15 million in the general fund which is available to meet any future rainy days. That is why I am quite relaxed that we should be refencing three million for transformation. Three million in the general fund which is available to meet any future rainy days. If you wish to make a point within the debate, can you do it before we actually wind up the debate? We will now move to the vote. If you wish to approve this motion you will press the green button. If you wish to make the motion you will press the green button. If you wish to approve this motion you will press the green button. I believe it is 23% to 12%. No abstentions, and therefore the motion is approved. Thank you. We now move to item 8C. Councillor Williams, don't go away. Can I ask you to propose this motion please? I believe it is 23%. Thank you, Chairman. Again, I first of all must draw your attention to a couple of time posts. On pages 83 and 85, once again, the three zeros have been missed off the second column, so we're talking about thousands. Okay, the interesting reason for the difference in the housing revenue count between the budget and the actual outter is I draw your attention to the review of assets. That review of assets has led to a saving into 3.4 million in depreciation, and it's also we have to take into account not only the roll over into this year on projects that haven't been completed, but actually the carry forward from the previous year of capital project in depreciation. When you take those two into account, we end up with a slight surplus on the capital budget account. That's the real reason. They are the main reasons why the outter is different from the original budget. Again, I ask this counter to support the recommendation. Thank you. Do you have a second? Councillor Smith, thank you. Do you wish to speak now? Thank you. Are there any other people who wish to speak to this motion? Again, I ask this counter to support the recommendation. Councillor Smith, do you wish to speak? Do you have a second one? Councillor Smith, you don't have to. Do you wish to speak now? Thank you. Councillor Williams, do you wish to wind up the debate? No, I've said it well. We will move to the debate then, since nobody has opposed, can we take this by acclamation? Thank you. We now come to item 8D, which is not Councillor Williams. This is the review of polling districts and polling places, which comes from the Civic Affairs Committee on 29 October, fages 87 to 96. As chairman of the Civic Affairs Committee, I move the recommendations of that committee as set out in your agenda that council agree the current schedule of polling districts and polling places if you retract, retained, with no changes. May I note that at the Civic Affairs Committee, a question was raised about council's status with respect to visually impaired voters. I have asked the electoral affairs officer and he assures me that this has been reviewed and that Kirsty Hewman, who is responsible for the counting of the station, will make sure that there are more adequate applications. So that was the only issue that was raised by Civic Affairs. I therefore move this motion. Do I have a second place? Thank you, Councillor Brandon. Does anyone wish to speak? We'll take you, Councillor Roberts. Thank you. May I just point out that the list of locations may not be accurate for the forthcoming election simply because a number of these locations were already booked before the election was called, and therefore you should not take this as a definitiveness of where people voted on the 12th of December locations. Thank you. We move now to 8E. Again, I call upon council to propose this motion and therefore you should not take this. Well, I think that, as you can see, this aligns with our business plan and is now designed to be green to our core. The two major capital items that we are going to be looking at are the two major capital items that we are going to be looking at. We are going to be looking at what part of the lights, with LED lights, and using the assets that we have here at South Cambridge 4, O unrhyw unig ymlaen, a'r unrhyw unig yn ystod yn unig yma, mae'n gweithio'n gweithio'n gweithio'n gweithio'n gweithio'n gweithio'n gweithio'n gweithio. that are under a PFI that led to baffel beating under a 25 year PFI contract, they are the majority of street lights on our public highway, and this does not affect them anyway whatsoever of the PFI. We don't have out lights, and they are called foot-plate lights, sydd ydynt i'w ddaluniaeth sydd yma o'w ddechreuwyr, sydd ydyn nhw'n ddweudiaeth oherwydd sydd o gweithgaredd sydd o'n diwethaf o'r wahanol everybodyg a rwy'nbrofeeddiol rwy'n ddweud cyflwyno'n rhywbeth i'w ddweudiaeth ar ddweudiaeth, ac mae gennym ni olygaeth at dweud, wrth gyffordd a'r ddweudio bydd yn y lawr, ond they were removed, and parishes came in and took ownership of them to enable them to keep going. Now we have some of these lights, some of them are maintained under contract with us, some are maintained under contract that the PC has taken out with a suitable supplier but once again it's the PC that pasted electricity for those lights. 1.  I hope that clears up exactly what these lights are. We are contacting OrderPage councils to give them an inventory of lights that are owned by us, and we are asking them to work with us in their replacement. We are doing a one-for-one replacement. We are not going down the county council route of taking one in ten out. This is a direct one-for-one replacement, and when it comes to sensitive areas, we will be replacing the ornamentary lights with ornamental lights. So, again, it's not the same as the PFI scheme where Banffo Beach can be placed ornamental lights with modern lights. We are not intending to do that. So, we are going to be working very closely with the parish councils, and we hope the parish councils will take the opportunity of maybe upgrading some of their lights at the same time so that we can do a package. As I said, that sort of explains what this is about, and I hope to answer any fears that explain the situation. As to South Camshire Hall, we are looking at not only PV panels over the car, we are looking at ground heat source pump for these offices as well, so we are going to make this as green as we can make it, and etc. An example to other businesses, other owners of commercial properties in South Cams to invite them to do the same. Thank you, councillor Williams. Do you have a second word? Thank you, councillor Goff. Do you wish to speak now? Do we have to wait until the end? Thank you. Are there any comments? Councillor Wright. Thank you. What I want to talk about is principally the footway lights. It was an awful waffle there. These footway lights are 30 to 40 years old in many cases. They are burning electricity day and night. Absolutely useless. I think it was the first time change meeting we pointed out. This was part of a concert. Business plan, 18 months ago, it was a quick-win council. Why had it taken you all that time to get to this stage with no full report coming to this council and no timeline to the project? This has been an officer working on this for some time. Why have we got so little in this? This is the same in the budget. If we agreed to the call and we mean it, this was a quick win. It should have been done. I think what I'm going to say, I'm going to make it quite clear, is page 106, that the spend that was made I had absolutely no issues with. I think it's a good thing and I'm going to use it as an example. Which relates to the canopy of water speech for the solar panels. I absolutely think it's a marvellous idea. But it was done without budget. It was budgeted before. It's a new thing. Other things that were budgeted before, such as the telephone, have happened. I just want to stress the importance and aspiration that when we go through the project, there's no point in having a budget that we then don't fulfil it. Or sometimes they do crop up, but to fund projects such as that without being budgeted I think is not the best of endeavours and ideas and I just like to throw that portion out there. Thank you. I have no idea about the package at all. Thank you, Chair. I'll be quite brief. I mean, I have, quite frankly, I would rather have been spending so on many of the renewable information. So if we wanted to put the dowsing itself, then we'd have to buy it from China. And it seemed to be my concern. You know, it's a bit like some sort of amazing thing that everyone else has looked up at. It's just shining in the sun. So just a thought about it. Thank you, Chancellor of the top. I'm not sure I share your view of brevity. Chancellor Haynes. Thank you. And I'd like to thank Councillor Williams for mentioning the fact that we're here. We have budgets and we have the need to deal with key issues like the climate emergency. We should spend that budget. Thank you. There was a budget. We did inherit the manifesto. And when we came in I said, so what can we do for climate and environment? We have to say that there used to be a hundred thousand budget lines for environment. I don't think you'd spend that budget. So I went and said, where's that hundred thousand then? Ah, the administration cut it. So we came in with zero for climate and environment in the budget. Zero. I don't regret it. The reasonable reserves tonight, 2.6 million from business rates quite rightly rivets with zero, not a single penny spent when we had feeding tariffs that could have brought in money here to spend on public services. Not a penny. We are the ones that started to use the renewables reserve fund and the director of finance at the time had that what we spent. But then if we come to the solar. I looked into the solar canaphe and the solar canaphe has captured so the council has actually rejected a new community reserve fund and the director of finance for a specific plan that has wanted to spend. On the specific ground, so if we talk about gilding the living. Councillor Haleyings, can you restrict yourself to the topic under discussion, rather than historical issues? Well, there are issues that we should spend a budget that we should have. You have no such constitutional right. You have no such constitutional right, Councillor Topping. Will you sit down please? Councillor Topping, will you sit down please? You have no such constitutional right. That is correct. Councillor Bridgin Smith. Order. It has happened at least in the last 12 years. Councillor Bridgin Smith. Thank you to Councillor Haleyings. Right. So I just want to point out a fundamental difference in his strategy between Liberal Democrats and Conservatives is that we do not just spend reserves. That is what we inherited and administration has spent reserves. So we have invested in because that will deliver efficiencies which will guarantee the future sustainability and ambition of this council. There is a very mount this month which I will share with the leader of the Conservative group, which highlights that as well as decarbalising our district, as well as supporting the construction industry, the first thing we have to do is we have to put our own house in order. Because how can we expect that our partners, the construction industry and South Cambridgeshire to involve or have done it ourselves and it has got to be an absolute priority for us and then we have to start looking at our supply chains and then we have to start looking at our partners and we will be an exemplar within the countries looking to South Cambridgeshire to lead the way on decarbalisation. That is going to say we need to put our house in order. We need to set that example before we are asking others.  It is not your money. It is not the council's money. It is the residents' money. This is the third time I am thinking, my goodness. I have never thought that in 30 years I have been on this council. I have seen this council change so many times as they are hot in us, but I have never ever felt worried that I have failed about the amount of money that you are pressing to be subdued other people's money. I am very worried about the thought of allocating, again, £1.3 million of other people's money to your pet projects. Councillor Roberts, will you please address your reports to the chair? Thank you, chair. Sorry. So chair, I am extremely concerned about what is happening here. This is only after a year. What are we going to be like in three years' time, two years' time, when the next election comes? I wonder which money will have been spent then, other people's money, on pet projects. Not everybody's desire to do remedies to this building. I think what our residents want to know is, spending all this money, what is in it for them? And I have done little. Please, Liberal Democrats, stop acting like men with deep pockets and money trees, because it is going to come crushing down. And you'll run out of money, and we will have to go into austerity. That's what the Labour Party did when they were in charge. They spent money they didn't have for themselves, Councillor Roberts. I would just simply like to point out that I was on that planning committee when the solar panels above the cohort were considered, and if my shame didn't voted against it, that's why we had a climate change crisis. But we have now, and our views have changed because of that, and I think it's right and proper that we take consideration of the new science as it comes forward. So it was on grounds of those statistics. Thank you. I have no more speakers. Councillor Topping, we work according to the constitution which I shall explain to you after this meeting. Members, we go to the verbs. Oh, I think of one, yes. Councillor Gough. Councillor William Choker. Thank you, Councillor Topping. Can I first of all pick up on a point that Councillor Smith played, which seems to have got Councillor Topping at the very edge of the table. And that's using money from your verbs. Can I point you to your 1819 budget? Sorry, your 1718 budget, which Councillor White was very keen to point out, was your budget, right? Your budget took £500,000 from reserves to balance the books. So you were taking money from reserves to balance the books. Sorry, 1818. It's true. Look at your own 1818. Councillor Williams, will you ask the point under the chair, please? Sorry, Chair. On telephones, a mention was made that we still haven't yet changed the telephone service. Well, we have introduced council anywhere. And council anywhere means that we have to reassess what our telephony requires. You know, there's no point in installing desktop telephones in our offices. If our offices are working from home or all over the district from their laptops, we need to look for a better system. Oh yes, apparently we've not been looking at other things. We've just been following your capital budget. What about what it would be? Someone said that it had to be budget apples. That was an initiative. We came in, we saw that there was an opportunity there to put PV panels on our wall-to-beach depot. We went and seized that opportunity. You could have done it, you could have done it years ago. But fortunately we did it just in time before the town stopped.  It should be in place 1800 street lights. It was a joke. You didn't even know where they were. That's why it's taken this long for offices to put together a programme which we can now implement. So please, look at what you did when you were in power and you'll see that you have been looking in the past with the most continuous threat. We now come to the event. I understood that you did not want to speak.  I just would like to bring two threats to this conversation. One about transformation and one about projects. I just want to bring two together. Because for me, part of the transformation of this organisation is creating organisations that are actually in the next movement. I just want to bring two opportunities, threats that you think this can be done, actually. Let me just talk about three individuals. First, if you get the water beach as PV. The reason that was in the budget was that no-one had seen that opportunity within the time frame of the benefit of PV in town. If we hadn't the flex budget, it would have missed that opportunity. So if we needed the officers and there were skills in the water beach and flexing the budget, she wouldn't have been able to do much. Otherwise the opportunity no-one would have gone out of that opportunity. The second thing is street lighting. I inherited that project. I agree with the council that it should have been done. You looked obviously at it, but actually the scope of that project when I took over that project was absolutely cool. No-one knew what state those street lights were in, except Anne Stewart and I said. No-one knew where they were for the council. What's actually happened now is that the officers have the capability and the determination to bring that project forward to the point. To the point where it can be actually implemented. That is one of the easy tasks, putting up 1.3 billion in the project together. Not no-one, and actually the credit involved is the actual organisation. Now the state can do that. And the third thing with respect to this building, it is as Councillor Smith said about putting your own house on the point three of them. I have the privilege of looking at the first part through in this project. It is an extremely impressive integrated energy building at this building in terms of where it can be done. It is not only an example, but it actually will say a significant amount of energy privilege for this council to have reduced the impact on the client. It is, on its own terms, a good investment. Not only that, it is an example of what this country needs to do with respect to this building. And actually I'm delighted to say that we might need a forefront where we might actually be leading in this particular area. So that is the sort of organisation that we are trying to build. That's why we have brought in the chief executive for you. At least we have, and why we have put together a transformation programme. Thank you Mayor and my second, that they speak. Second last, not at the very last. We have now come to the vote. If you approve this motion you will press the green button. If you disapprove and reject it, you press the red. If you wish to abstain, you press the yellow. You press the yellow. 37 in favour, 1 against and no abstentions. The motion is in order. We move on to item 9, the combined authority. I invite the council to note the reports on the work of the combined authority in July and in September, as outlined in the circulated papers, and ask the council's representatives of the combined authority to comment if they wish to do so. Thank you, just very briefly. We've now moved into a new governance structure whereby we have executive committees. The housing committee has now met, it's approved, I don't think we've approved anything actually, but the board met this week. Strangely, it had an application for just under £6 million from Lara Holmes for a development in Great Ableton, which is obviously South Cambridgeshire. It went to the board instead of to the housing committee because the money was coming out of the £40 million that's been scrolled off the £100 million housing fund. That's a rolling fund of money. The application had quite a rough line through the board for a number of reasons. The development has actually quite a few homes. They have insisted that there's at least five affordable units. There's potential for more because they're going to come back and try and renegotiate the planning permission that currently exists on that. Also, if you just add up all the projects that have been funded out of this £40 million, it actually takes us £2 million over that, but we are told that cash flow allows the board to do that. There's also been a letter from the Minister, Jake Berry, talking about levelling the powers of mayoral combined authorities, which was sent to the mayor. I gather there is a, I think it's called M8, a group of all the Metro mayors who got together, decided what they wanted, told the minister what they wanted. The minister, I believe, took out all the checks and balances, and then this letter was then circulated to the mayors, which really opens up the way for an awful lot more delegated powers to be developed to the mayors, which could have the effect of actually where we have boards reducing the influence of the boards, it seems to be giving ultimate power to the mayors on huge amounts of decision making. You know, no doubt that will be looked at again once we're passed on the other side of the election. There's been a flurry of letters from ministers, the likes of which we don't normally see. The other thing that happened this week, yesterday, on the most track, the command authority agreed to set up a climate commission. This didn't have a particularly easy ride through the initial proposal statement, because of course there's an awful lot going on in Cambridgeshire. And there were concerns from some members that thought that we weren't duplicating or replicating our work was actually well advanced, but the board agreed in the end that they wanted a commission of their own, which would look specifically at the geography of the combined authority. So I think the mayor had somebody in mind who it was, he kept referring to a chairman, so I presume he was a man, and I think he was going to phone this man that afternoon to tell him that it either proved and give him the chairmanship of the climate commission. I did ask that the membership of the climate commission could actually represent some of the very good works already going on, such as in the Cambridgeshire area, which are very little hardcovered. General, I'm sadly unable to attend the September meeting, and I'm nothing to add to the July report. Thank you. Did you have a substitute in September? Some of the very good works. Thank you, Councillor Haynes. Is it Councillor Haynes? Yes, Councillor Haynes, nothing to say. Councillor Mason. Councillor Mason here. I'm sadly unable to attend. Thank you. Are there any questions to Councillor Smith? Thank you. Did you have a substitute in September? No, well in that case we note the report. Councillor Haynes, we do not need to vote upon it, nothing to say. I moved the appointment to the independent remuneration panel. The items referred to on page 115 and page 261. I invite the leader to move the recommendation. Thank you. This is just a formality. I regret that Mr Simon Harris, who is one of our current members of the panel, has found the need to stand down. I'd like us to write a letter of thanks for all the service that he has provided for us. I would like you to support his replacement by Jane Phillips. You have a second. Thank you, Councillor Mills. Do you wish to say anything? Thank you. Does anyone wish to speak? That's the right. I was just wondering if the leader had in mind any of the services in particular that this gentleman had supplied to us. Do you wish to say anything? OK, by you. Any other questions or comments? So just the services that he has fulfilled in his role as a member of the independent remuneration panel? There are no speakers. Councillor Haynes, we've already spoken. I think we can take that offline. We are discussing at the moment the appointment of Jane Phillips. I take it we don't need to go to a formal vote. Can we take this by acclamation? Thank you very much indeed. Item 11, membership of committees in outside bodies. I believe two groups do have changes to report the leader. I'm just trying to remember what it was. I think it was on the JDRC, JJCC, and we were going to swap over the other member with the deputy. We're a substitute. Councillor Daunt and Councillor Humphreys. I'll go to swap over. I mentioned that in my last. I'm a vinegar with the deputy. We're a substitute. Councillor Daunt and Councillor Humphreys. I'll go to swap over. Excuse us for a moment. Councillor Tops. Yes, Chair, we're swapping councillor. Thank you. Is there any other group? There isn't another group in the presence other than myself, but I have nothing to report. So we accept those two changes from now on. Thank you. Item 12, questions from councillors on page 6, Romans 6 of your report. We have notice of two questions. Are there any more? No, so we just have two questions, which I hope we will take off now. First of all, a question from councillor Peter Topping. Thank you. Who's going to answer this question? I am. Councillor Hawkins, thank you. So we just have two questions. If I remember right, the last one was a meeting on Councillor Topping. Put away the motion and take a break. And then a comment about getting it. And now it's coming about getting it. But at the wrong time probably. So forgive me if that confuses me, but it seems that doesn't matter what I say. I'm not satisfied. But it was a coincidence. It was only formally published on the 11th of May. But get to the next round of informing all the planning committees. And that being was the very first point that Councillor Holmes was going to bring me. Thank you. Do you have a supplementary question? Yes, Chair. When the major minds decided to discriminate, I think all the trains in earth would say this is the beginning of a fire. And it seems to me that we are having a fire sale of architecture. So I just wonder, when the next report for the five-year land supply is published, that shows a further urge downwards from its current five-point-two position whether the planning committee will be called in even earlier for a little better. Thank you, Councillor Hawkins. Thank you, Chair. Can you refer your box to the chair, please? Can you refer your box to the chair, please? I'm happy to discuss with Councillor Doffey how to change the way I've heard it. And also, I still have the open invitation to Councillor Wright. Thank you, Chairman. Thank you. Thank you, Chairman. In order to make my answer in any way understandable to Super Cubby, I want to feel just about a few seconds to explain what we can use. Recap is the short name of the Cambridgeshire community to the waste partnership. It works together. It's a partnership working together continuously through waste services, increased recycling and reduced waste. It comprises a group of bodies, a group of small wars, one of which deals with the plight of the name. Just so that we know the partnership, the seven councils, Cambridge City, Cambridgeshire, East Cams, Fletland, Huntingtonshire, Peterborough City and South Cambridgeshire. Now, your Councillor William's question is the, refers to the post which was a recent post which is a part-time post, two-half days a week, and it's funded by the seven councils jointly. And the officer's role is to focus on flighting by coordinating the efforts of the various parks and other agencies such as the National Council of the Environment, the Environment, and the rest of the seven councils. So the post is not actually to involve the officer's prosecutions, it is to focus not on part-time officers by coordinating the efforts of the various parks that have been involved here to some point, J.M. in their tenure on it. The officer's also heavily involved in the really successful Scram campaign, which is offering advice on, as to how the residents might reduce the chances of waste ending up in the wrong place, in the words of being flight tipped, by choosing a reputable company. This officer is playing a part in that. There's a very successful campaign with a great deal of interest on the social media that's offering advice. So it's never been the intention to measure the success of the post by the non-prosecutions but to answer your questions. I would say that there will be 226 investigations, 43 fixed penalty notes, three formal cautions, and two prosecutions in the last two years. And there's a further one which is due to go to court next spring. I think it went to court and I would say that that's all being held by the domestic process. 43 fixed penalty notes. One of the big benefits of recamp is to bring environment officers together across borders. And one good example of it particularly working has been the light of communication, a recent investigation into two flighting incidents in different neighbouring counties or councils led to a joint interview on the caution and the joint prosecution. So the partnership is really working very well. Thank you for your question. Thank you. Council Williams, do you have something to mention? Thank you, Chairman. The reason I've raised this is because I'm sure other areas have had issues with flighting. Obviously you're a member of Cotland, in fact social media communications group actually ended up in my ward because we've had significant numbers of late. And I request every parish council meeting playing my report that the conference certainly met and said, the reason I've asked about prosecutions is that it's really important actually that that is the only way that we feel that we need to take action if it is criminal. And it causes some enormous distress to the residents and the countryside as it is, we need to protect our countryside. Could you possibly tell me how many in the last year given figures for the last two years because that's what we've been looking at and the introduction in place? Chairman, I'm sorry, I don't have much figures to hand but I will try to find it. Thank you very much. We now come to item 13. There are three motions before us each, which may take up to half an hour. It is four o'clock and I wonder if members would like an adjournment. Or shall we carry on? Who would like that? Can I just say? We now come to item 13. We carry on. Thank you. Obviously, if you need a comfort break, you may take well. So we come to item 13a, standing in the name of the councillor for Halings. councillor Halings, would you propose your motion please? Thank you. It was here in November that we had a cross party support of my councillor for the topic motions for a zero cost event, so it was unanimous. As I think here, we immediately had to incorporate that into the business plan. Thank you. It was an additional funding measure. It was here in November. December UK has put us up alongside Opsons and Supercution, one of the top councillors in the UK, to actually act on the back of our pledge for the Opsons and Supercution. And that's something the cross party was doing as well through the Spanish environment community, which is through all the things that they're doing with the council. So it's not quite today. Actual things like the water beach panels importantly have finished. We're now looking at the venture of it of sound accounts for brilliant savings and over time. And we have had one with zero carbon communities grant, just because we're very, very popular as well, amongst parish councils in our community. And importantly, that motion is about the level of plan because this is a planning to get a standard. And we've talked about this as well, about the standard that developers are held to teach this grant. And it's only through the global plan that we can set those standards. So we're looking at the new level plan being able to bring those standards in and we've put that motion as focus on that. When it's being, we do need to do more of the development plan. And this week, even so, more so, we've had the latest day to say those climate tipping points were crossing them now. So we're seeing a cascade of unstoppable events that we thought would have an under 5 degrees wall world and they're happening under a 1 degree wall world which is what we are now. And so it's seen us really that we have no choice to add one inside of a portion and everybody needs to act with the urgency and the level of the emergency that's necessary. So this motion really is to join the other councils across the UK that have declared the climate emergency. And what beyond what was in that motion in November is to say that within six months we should look at what we can do in our own backyard. What should we do in terms of what's happening to make those services to save and have the carbon emissions and be a leader and a model for others. Also number three there is ensuring that all strategic decisions, budgets and approaches to the council's own future planning decisions be in line with that zero carbon saving shift. And that we work with parties and partners across the district to deliver this. And that if we want this to be any earlier than the twenty-fifth expected then we do call on our national powers to provide local governments and others with the regulations, the powers and the resources that are needed to be able to act after the emissions that are necessary. If we want to be on the same side of the other councils across the UK or recognise and be a leader that there is a model council to declare the climate emergency but we are not on that and we declare the emergency part of it. And it's not just the words but the commission research we've done on our own councils state of emergency we can now say how much emissions will we be projected and generated over the next five to ten years so that we can come back here and say what will we do about commission research how can we drive those emissions down as a council in terms of our own state of emergency. And the early evidence that we had commissioners in any university is showing that we don't have much land we've got this building a building and we do have a fleet and that's the waste of fleet. What are the ways in which we can be a leader of this to drive our own emissions down in ways that generate savings and also cross our housing stock how do you make sure that our residents we've heard that 33,000 of people in the neighbourhood are wasting this money that means they're choosing between the waste and the generate or the waste loading so ensuring that the house that was our stock will be insulated which a huge amount has already been done making sure that that is done and that other buildings are also for the suite so that's what this motion is about that means they're choosing between Thank you, do you have a second? Leader, thank you I'll speak now I don't know how to go over what Councillor Halings has said but the news in the last two weeks has actually been terrifying the election which we've got a couple of weeks time is a moment in time in regards to the result we all go over it but climate change is forever and we may not get over that on Tuesday at Cambridge Zero event Sir David said that all of us have to make dramatic changes in our behaviour and in our lives now not tomorrow, not next year now and he finished by saying that if we do not these were his words our legacy to our children will be mass extinction the message really doesn't get much stronger Is there anyone who wishes to speak against this motion? Thank you I think we will go to the full debate Will be mass extinction Sorry, can I see hands for those who do want to speak? Thank you, Councillor Roberts We'll just speak against this motion Thank you I'm again in tomorrow's argument When I made this I thought actually there's quite a lot of it that I could go along with from item two and through though I would think to myself well actually this is going to be taking a lot of office's time we haven't got a lot of offices we've got departments that are very underfunded and under staffed and here we are forgetting what is our call jobs which we've always known in the past what we did and we're going along this tangent of trying to pretend we're saving the world we're not going to save the world until people are at places like India and China make some efforts and whatever this country does is minimal it's absolutely microscopic and I think the arrogance to put on here that this council declares a private emergency but how do you all be if you are? Councillor Roberts will you address your remarks to the chair and also to the motion which has nothing to do with India but this is we've heard all the arguments about what's going to happen to the world etc it's arrogant chairman I would suggest for a local council to be declaring a private emergency yes there's a serious situation that needs sorting out and it will be sorted out and I have no doubts I'll try to put I'm very sorry it's a terrible political point chairman during an election to put this on the agenda I noted colleagues of the Liberal Democrats were actually photographing it no doubt it will be on the Liberal Democrats websites and in their papers can we refrain from party political comments please we can do our bit chairman well they may let's say we can do our bit chairman but let's not pretend for a moment that we are going to say in the world and let's not pretend for a moment that the world actually is in the diast an emergency is a very specific thing it's immediate it's what's going to happen now you act what we are talking about things that are going to happen sometime in the future which gives us a chance to mediate it and put industry to give us a chance to mediate it but I would suggest to the Liberal Democrats one way that they may say in the planning is stop cutting down trees councillor Roberts will you stop making party political comments please which is piling through my door if I find it any more I shall make a bonfire in the open councillor if I got me thank you chairman I'm very pleased to support the motion as I was to support a plan 2050 zero carbon target carrying out a full order play of council's activities and opportunities of carbon production of carbon district it's a good plan and it builds upon previous efforts that councils may have such as placing more solar panels on the areas of the future of carbon and stuff so it's becoming clear that the whole world is going to have to come up with carbon future and as councillor Roberts mentioned not every country has done as well as this country has in terms of the student carbon production so I think that we are going to have to meet our national world targets urban and south Cambridge should be the lead aiming to meet our target even earlier stillness so zero carbon will be a win-win for this district because the clean air will make it healthier, it will make it a little longer and there will also be a huge boost to our economy because all around the district there are green start companies working in business parks they are working in garages and they are developing green technology that is actually going to address these issues and that is south Cambridge if we set ambitious targets that is going to help to turn those start-ups into successful businesses so green technology is the industry culture whereas coal and oil belong in the past Thank you councillor Roberts Thank you chair of that I think that the beginning concept is able to speak against this so green technology will give me I do not hold and I do have some questions I wish to make the points I would like to make is that it comes down to what are the things that this council can and should be doing and I would like some clarification for all of the different questions declaring it and I just give a couple of examples and these are not my understanding is that boilers that are being installed are there into the houses of elderly residents and council houses are configured in such a way that there is not only pushing those things but they are also in honey because lots of stay houses and therefore I urge whichever of them to take a look at that because that is something that this council could and should be doing to further the aspirations that council has and secondly planning committee and therefore I urge despite his intelligence look at that we were told that we could not to consider the aspirations of the funding on planning that and I wasn't that this particular meeting but I've been told that I was believed that it's critical that the elephant was told that they could not consider the issue of putting in electric car charge and to consider now these are all things that this council could and should get rid of and therefore it seems to me that someone should give us an assurance that indeed these things will be focused on and addressed as well as the broader aspirations that council has now these are all things that this council could finally might I just say that the leaders mentioned that you should disagree with that number twice that council meeting was recently I heard David Hatter for a speaker class member last year in a much more thorough listening for years but I'm just not a ruler Thank you council chairman Chairman thank you I too wish to let my support to this motion but I do want us to make sure that we're not crying for we are totally on board and I say that before the leaders speak that I should decarbonise Chairman thank you I too wish to and yet a deputy is presiding over an organisation which wants to rip out the three hundreds of trees some of them 80 years old it's between St Nears Road and the A428 and to replace them with a garden fence there is I believe an alternative just simply moving the track of whatever is going to run between Cairnwell and Cambridge to the north of the A428 but it's not being properly and I would like to think that all that efforts would go into supporting this activity and not picking from choosing those what is going to run between Cairnwell and Cambridge Thank you council members but it's not being properly Thank you I just wanted to address to several comments that I've heard Plans of emergency is imminent it's not something that you can wait to do we're representatives of our residents it is within our agreements to make the changes that we want to make I support this it sets a great example of others because it doesn't look the first way that changes the world might say itself we need to be on Thank you very much the council talks about Cairnwell Yes, thank you thank you children It doesn't look the first way that changes but I just need a little bit of support from you Thank you very much When you talk about nationally can you please make sure that United Kingdom this country I mean this country stop dropping all its rubbish rubbish and rubbish bags to the to the developing country because it has a direct impact on the zero carbon issues which is which is also nationally and internationally so can you please stop their rubbish bags to drop in the in those countries Thank you Dr Hawkins Thank you chair I think quite my aspirin when I was talking about not giving it to her because I'm just inviting that is a whole plan that we adopted in 2018 which was created in October previous administration refused to have more than on development we cannot I mean we already had a question about ignoring that policy we cannot basically what this is about we adopted it Thank you I have no other speakers so Councillor Haylings would you like to sum up please Thank you and I would really like to emphasise the opportunity because this isn't just about the impacts it's all about how to see the opportunity to speak for our district and others particularly for the creative economy you're absolutely right and that's creating hundreds of jobs in technology free technology and renewable energy the offshore wind farm industry nobody knew about the price we've dropped nobody would have believed it was that and that we are now a global leader in that so it's it's definitely using all the R&D and the capacity and the new jobs it's going to go straight in here around 90 so it's a huge opportunity for our area and completely Councillor Todd I absolutely agree that we should really be looking at what's happening with housing especially for vulnerable people in fact that our last climate and environment committee had a really in depth look at how on earth can we ensure that we do our bit with the charities that are working this winter with families that perhaps didn't get part of the person I was with have you identified those with people who are trusted to go into their homes and find out if they can actually do something with them this winter and the audit is happening next year sorry sorry thank you very much and as everybody knows I'm asking I'm not in for charity I do think it's one of the biggest challenges we've had as the council really looked at what's happening and next development going forward thank you very much and rubbish yes so we have sometimes as we've said for China and Malaysia no more receiving our rubbish we can no longer make vulnerable countries have dumping ground for our habits and so we have to understand in our own backyard how much we're producing and what effect we have to reduce and have a better understanding of the support and the emissions that come out of land in your country and it's the same for us we definitely need to address that for me the analogy I think is we as councillors we're rung in the night we've got a park plant and they say middle of the night there's a fire and the emissions that come out and we all go up there 35 we're all back there under the hoses and as part manager says the analogy I think is if we use these hoses we can tame this fire because the fire is coming up but by 3pm we've probably got this sort we can do this if we all work together and we've got all sorts of that these type of hoses we can get it done by 2pm and young boys we don't have the time to wait until 2 o'clock because we can do it faster this is about those dates they're in target dates and some people came out of the forest so black and faces and they said it actually depends on what you're talking about because we went straight out after this and what we've done is we've dug the ditches to make sure that the fire can't leave and so what we've done is restricted that and that's exactly what I'm talking about the emergencies now we're acting on it now we're not fighting about the target thing and what we're doing now in the next year what do we do now and if every single council acted because every single council it determines every development when you put that all together actually local councils are transformed in that list we will determine which way we go and this isn't being left only to national government it's local council and it determines what the investors in the new economy and what kind of developments are happening so I do think it's up to local authorities and I think it's up to you to get thank you we now move to the vote if you approve this motion you will press the green button if you reject it you will press the red button if you wish to abstain press the yellow button has everybody voted thank you very much now move to the vote if you approve this motion you will press the green button press the red button press the green button press the yellow button press the green button press the red button press the red button press the red button I hope everyoneω The cheese. There was four and five, which would be the distant future, which might be a bit more... ...and that's why I'm asking the task leader to take a look at this. But they put it into contact, to have a focus of the 150,000 people in the UK, who use BSL, sorry... ...British Sign Language, as they've made for communication on a daily basis. Dyna hwnna i ddim gweithio gael i ni o gymryd yr Amethau Llywodraeth i ddim gweithio i Gwym絵tau Cyllidion. Dydyn nhw'n rheswer yn dddefnyddio ar distance ac mae eisiau llanfrudd iawn i dda i'r Unigol. A mae hynny i ddim yn yr un. Yn y llanfrudd iawn i gweithio'r llanfrudd a hwn o'r llei'r llanfrudd i gyda'u peth. Dyna eich Llywodraeth i Gwym絵t a mae nhw'n grwng i'r llanfrudd iawn i dd pas, … Sappholl want to sleptio am yこうs a chwyrayon am ein sharffryw. It's the Indigenous lan wizk, this has experienced this many hundreds of years, and of course there are others. I guess that English, Welsh, Scottish and Irish. And of course Cornish. It has been that evolved, people have been using... ...achaw sy' grants them a message of them. To them, this is called school. I think that's their main occupation and therefore so many people have been with it. movements and good for the writers. Pa ddorol, hanen nhw'n cynnig ar-deddiwelod, roedd yn ein skoedd yn gwahyd am ygafodaeth. Mae gweithio am rangell yma. Rwy'n meddwl'i sy'n meddwl ddiwrnod. Gymraedol yn ddeithasol, roedd ym rpmusio ar-deddiwelod yma. Rwy'n meddwl'i ddiwrnod, darlod ddiwrnod ar-deddiwelod, rwy'n meddwl fod yn ddeithasol. Mae'n digwydd i'r cyfrifi YOW, roedd yr cabau, genna'n fod ywybu'r cyfrifi? Felly, mae'n gweithio ar-deddiwelod yn ddeithasol. Mae'r lleidio yn ei wneud â'r dda, ac ynno'n bwrdd, nid yw'r ddweud o eistedd ffordd o'r yr unedig yma, yn ymddangos i ddechrau o'r lluniau, mae'n sérinieddau o'i ddweud o'r ysgolol. I should explain for those more recent readers that Councillor Manning was indeed a friend of his, so it was an entirely materialistic question for the councillor, so it's not a salation to me. And what it meant was that when something came up for the councillor, it wasn't because it was the opposition or something, we just didn't go into the exercise and the rest of the time. So, and I just, what it meant was that the councillor, in a way, was a friend of his for the other four years. Do you have a second? Cubs Williams. Thank you, Councillor Roberts. Do you wish to speak now or at the end? Yes, please, Chairman. Thank you, Chairman. I would just say that it seems to me that when you look at the questions from the public today, it indicated a concern that they were not being listened to, that their voices were not heard, they were talking about their relationship or their dealings with officers. I think that we need to get back, and I can tell you in my villages, the four villages I represent, there is disquiet. There is disquiet about various things that this council is going forward with or not doing or the decisions that are being made. And I think it's imperative, therefore, that to get back on a good relationship and a feeling of trust with our residents, that they have an opportunity to come and see the member of the public who is in charge of a specific function of this council who is acting for them, but is the actual person who is in charge of that department, they can have an opportunity to come to a meeting of a pop-gloria holder on a regular basis, they know it's going to happen, and they can make arrangements to come. And actually directly ask that person or question that person or talk to that person about their concerns. I would be really disappointed if this council at this age of 2019 is not going to do that. It really is important. Thank you, Chairman. Thank you, Councillor Bridges. Thank you. I don't know if I've been called fronly before, so I'll wear that as a badge of honour, getting fronly about things. So I do recall the motion that I put all those years ago before the Liberal Democrats took over this council. And that was because there was significant delegated practice in making powers and delegated spend to cabinet members, portfolio holders as they were called at the time, and meetings were a lack of consistency between the frequency of meetings between different portfolio members. With a couple of never-holding meetings, Councillor Edwards, I do recall, actually was the most successful in that he had meetings monthly. But anyway, my motion was turned down, I think part of the argument was that it would cost officer time and it would cost money. And actually, the portfolio holder meetings that were held were generally really, really badly attended by anybody other than the officers, the portfolio holder and members of the opposition groups. So when we took over control of this council, we moved the bulk of decision making to whole cabinet decision making. And I'm happy with that, as things stand at the moment. We will, however, in light of the reorganisation and transformation work of the council, we will look at the organisation of cabinet to make sure that it matches well with the restructured council. I have no idea what the outcome will be. It might be, we just keep on going as we are. It might be that there are changes. Councillor Topping said that we're a polarised council. Actually, I think there's been lots of agreement today about lots of things. So I would challenge us being a polarised council and actually think when the press aren't present, actually we agree about very many more things that you might think from attending a public meeting. The council of Roberts has implied that members of the public don't think that we're accessible and we listen. Actually, I think the very fact that people are locked up today to speak to us shows that they're going to be listening to. I'm not sure I can recall any meeting when I was in opposition where a member of the public, there must have been so, but there were a few at far between, where members of the public came to ask questions and have those questions answered, be they in cabinet or council meetings. They did happen in public meetings when there were specific issues related to villages and so on. So I actually think that most of our visitors today have actually gone away and listened to and I hope be having some level of satisfaction in the responses they had. So the motion as it stands, my response is that actually cabinet members do hold meetings, they hold 12 of them a year, they're called cabinet meetings. On top of which, they all attend scrutiny when there are issues being discussed at scrutiny that relate to their responsibility. Monthly meetings, monthly scrutiny meetings, I do recall the councillor topping, I think, complaining that there was too many meetings. So you can't actually say with what has, there's too many meetings and then ask for them to be alone more. So I think it's working at the moment, I think it's working well, we will constantly review things, particularly in light of the transformation, but I think there are numerous opportunities for members and for the public to come and talk to us in formal meetings and there's certainly endless opportunities for them to come and talk to me outside of meetings and to any member of my cabinet inside of meetings. Thank you. I'm going to put this motion on a basic transparency, I preach if we are told that we must come and talk to me six hours to try and wait for cabinet, if you haven't won a series of photos I've never told that I wasn't happy anymore because decisions were made to collect by cabinet. The decisions do get taken out of those cabinet on three this week, I'm sure I understand why. But if there were lead members of our portfolio holding meetings, these decisions could be taken whether the opportunity for people to attend, not just the physical attendants, but the public record of those figures and the things that were discussed. If we look through the minutes of our previous full council, I'd appreciate the councillor, Dr Tomell, who's referenced about discussing the things outside of the full council meeting, mainly because of the practical reasons, I'm sure. But if there's been a portfolio or lead cabinet member meeting, I think that potentially could happen. But the more we talk behind closed doors in a way that it's a publicly recorded, I don't think that the current time would be particularly helpful because I am supported by this. Thank you. I have no other speakers, so it comes to the topic of the talk I've always come up with. Certainly, Chair. I'll be very brief. Clearly, from the lead staff, Mark Sevens, I think it's fine, the perfect world, and you should all vote this down. If you don't know anything about the lead staff, it's fine, and it's a perfect world, then you should vote with a motion. I won't detain you on this. Certainly, Chair, I'll be pretty sure that you get it clearly. Thank you very much. So we come to the vote. If you approve this motion, you will press the green button. If you oppose it, you will press the red button. If you abstain, you will press the yellow button. And approve the motion 22, oppose it. So I'm afraid the motion falls. We move now to item 14, the Chairman's Engagement. Please will you note the Chairman and Vice-Chairman's engagement since the last... It's actually since the last agenda, because only last night, I think, the Vice-Chairman went to a Thanksgiving and Pie affair at RAF. So that will appear on next Council's agenda. So we move to item 16, which is recommended as a closed session affair. So I need to ask, do members agree that the following item of business, while public interest contains exempt information falling within paragraph 3 as set out on your agenda, and that the public interest in maintaining this exemption outweighs the public interest in disclosing the information? I need to ask, do members agree that the following item of business... I therefore propose that the press and public be excluded from the meeting during consideration of the following item of business in accordance with section 100A brackets, four closed brackets of the local government Act 1972 on the grounds that if present there would be a disclosure to them of exempt information as defined in paragraph 3 of part 1 of schedule 12A of the Act as amended. Can we read that by acclamation? Thank you very much indeed. Can we clear the public...