And Yeah, what night is we're gonna be around for a long time and that's sad, but what are we gonna do? Yeah, in 2023 it was still be around for thought to abuse people on Play fortnight and Thor 3 you never know For Thor 3 already exists. God damn. I Just surprised you do so I just replace it for three with Thor 2 in my mind I'm surprised.  Yeah, I'm Rising Wow, I missed opportunity for more cash. Yeah, you're right. Yeah. Well, yeah, exactly. I I I remember I played that game I remember playing fortnight like really early on like as soon as the battle royale came out before it was cool to me Well, unironically though Because like at the time people didn't think it was that good and I really liked it at the time I don't so much anymore. I kind of don't like what it represents Wow, I remember just from what I've seen that game is totally Changed into like basically just an amalgamation of pop culture and like features like it's just everything all at once which I Don't know man It's it's funny. You have a movie like ready player one that kind of makes fun of that idea You've got the Oasis which is just like every property all into one It's like fortnight in a lot of ways is kind of becoming that just adding thing after thing into their world Well, the funny thing is is um, I think that ready player one kind of sucks and I don't Know people right like I think it's people like the book That's the reason why the film got made right because the book was really popular, but everybody's starting to turn on that book To a lot of people did not like it's just like this is a not necessary sequel Other ones though because Ernest Klein can't write he just writes pop culture references That's like that's already playing one and stuff is it's just like I Made a DeLorean and it's got like every video game ever It's like when you were a kid and you were making up hypothetical like scenarios about where you'd have the console that Well, like every console ever made in every video game ever made and it's like but that but unironically and it's the cringiest shit That's it's um, it sucks. I don't appreciate genius No, yeah, I think that's your problem for me you guys once I Can't appreciate the genius of Ernest Klein. Yeah You got me there. I'm just secretly jealous of a storytelling talent. You know I wish I could be half as good as us climb Have you guys heard is our slam poetry? So that's like that's like you heard about it No, just thought of it is her Okay, so as the story goes he wrote a slam poem. So he's a very enlightened man and So the poem is about how He he wants like he doesn't want the hot chick who would get on like the front of playboy He wants the girl who reads books and stuff, you know Yeah, it's all oh God, I wish I could remember what hold on. I need to find it. I Just found an article that says before you buy ready player one tickets read Ernest Klein's horrifying porn poetry I It's not even poetry, there's no sense. There's no sentence structure. There's no stanzas or anything. It doesn't rhyme. It's just a speech It's just a rant about porn Appearance I was about to say like the he separates them out right like there's the lines Although it doesn't look like there's any rhyme or reason to that Yeah, I don't I don't understand like how this constitutes poetry when there's no Structure to it at all in the least. It's just him talking. Why must you impose your standards upon this man? And also slam Polish for everybody yells, it's really aggressive and I kind of hate it They're talking so fast that they can't even breathe. Oh, yeah, and they always they really like they heave Emotionalness in everything It's always very like Like emotion Oh motion it makes me stress I Opened up my phone. That was a mistake. Hey It's it'll sometimes show my newest like comment as in like from whatever Yeah video This one's probably worth reading out, I don't know who wants to I was gonna say I get appreciate Caps like monologue delivery sort of thing very straightforward with how funnily it's like presented I'm gonna go through it. Oh, yeah, friends up to you.   I'm struggling to do it now. So some of you are we live? Yes Some of you may have seen this on Twitter already, but I know at least rags hasn't so that's a that's a plus Or I don't spoil who hey, maybe I've seen it. Oh, well, I would prefer you didn't so I want to know how you react Oh, I don't know I've I'd oh if I've seen it. I'll pretend to have not seen it I'm currently crafting the image for you cuz I got my guys scribble scribble scribble There's probably a fast way of doing this and I just don't know what it is. It's gonna look pretty manic Well, yeah, so for those who know who said this don't reveal it to rags, okay Or whoever else here doesn't know who it is and then we will have guesses for anybody who doesn't know so basically this was set at some point and I never saw it It was ratio to tad and then apparently did it deleted Before revealing who said it we will talk about the sentiment behind it And then I will also preface I have no idea if they definitely said it so focus on the sentiment and then talk about how you would feel if in a Dimension that the person said it pretty sure they did though Which is fine And we get the whole time off this scribbling. Oh, just just back and forth back and forth got to get that I Just realized it could have been this so much easier for myself. Fuck. I knew there was an easier way that Now I really okay, just ignore me for a second. It's hard being a host I was trying I had it's a tweet right and I was scribbling out the day I was like if I just took an image of what they said, that's all I need to do I Don't need to scribble anything out.  Okay. Here we go So rags if you want to read this I would love to read this.  Oh, I mean bad enough. We're pretentious about it, too.  Yeah, I'm closing right now It's just too blurry over there.  Oh my god Well, it would make some sense with the audience they have but I think as time went on more people saw it and This is the kind of stuff that doesn't do too well because this isn't just if ever racist This is anybody who watches it is racist like damn. Oh my goodness gracious. That's a lot of it's a lot of people. Oh Devoid of enjoyment like bro. We don't enjoy We definitely didn't enjoy anything yesterday together. No, no, we definitely don't enjoy. We're not enjoying this This isn't fun. This is hell. Yeah, this is I'm only doing this because my therapist said that I need to confront the things that I hate Yes, so that I could start liking things again. Namely movies my my psychologist Psychiatrist both of them like I love my yeah, my psychos is so Electro shock psychoanalyst. Yeah.  So clearly we enjoy some things. There's so much this interesting about all of it because physical low life. It's like damn. How do you Watch out careful It's bad enough that my psychiatrist is making me do this because back when I went to church I told him about how much I love the Transformers movies and they said that they were gonna try and pray the bay away See and that's relevant because they said you shouldn't be shamed for liking what you like And it's just like okay, so that's really not the main thing we do here at all We love loads of things that we think plenty of people would be like you you like that. We're like, yeah, yeah We it we enjoyed multiple movies Hmm Okay, I like these last couple of set those got people should be able to like what they like without judgment first of all You don't believe that. Yeah. No, you know, you know What if I like triumph of the will on ironically he's like, that's fine. That's fine I mean the funny thing is you don't even have to go that far out of sight of what we're covering Like if someone goes I really loved it when Carly blew up that building. He'd be like, uh Those fun those people deserved it the way that they were standing around while someone else told them to guard these supplies from people and I'm glad they got blown up Imagine if someone was watching like 12 years of slave and they're like, I really like it when that girl got whipped That made me happy. You wouldn't just be like Okay, you know, you can like whatever you like, buddy I like that last sentence to petition to stop tearing down well-made video essays All right follow up petition to stop tearing down well-made movies that video essay should on no No, I've got a better one.  How about that? People work hard on these video essays. We shouldn't be tearing them down But isn't that interesting it baked in is well-made video essays and it's like wait, wait, wait, wait Are you suggesting that we can't tell them down if they're not well-made? Fine as well made is there such a Well, they didn't just put the text on screen it kind of wobbled a bit when it was on screen.   You're standards And Yeah, the the worked hard on so it's like right so now We've got another problem. What if I worked really hard to tear down your really worked hard on thing? But now that was a labor of that. That was that was like I was like the guy who built Auschwitz. Yeah, right? That was a lot of work. He worked hard on that brick by brick He was like, oh, that doesn't happen overnight. This will be a great school And he was like, you know a lot of German engineering and ingenuity went into that complex and yeah It's really hard on he's probably really proud of it when he was done And yet some people have the bulls to condemn it despite the hard work those scumbags Yeah, it's a whole trick to a lot of effort into a life's low life So Who here knows who this was written by I? Do oh is this is this the game where we guess well, I was gonna say I know Jay Longboat knows I assume Evan knows I know yeah, so cuz I can tell it must be amazing because part of a red line is still Kind of on the clip part.  Um, it has to be right. I guess I don't know how much of a clue I want to give you, but I think that's fine Yeah, I'll say we have covered this person on eFat before. Yes hmm Well, I'm gonna guess it's someone popular because they have four hundred and I almost said one one four hundred and eleven Likes mm-hmm, so hmm Cosmonaut all right cosmonaut Fringy, who'd you reckon? I think you're reaching too high there I think cosmonaut would be oh, no, no, no, you never reach too high when you talk about So Goddamn, I have I kind of have no idea because this is a reply. This isn't the opener tweet This is in a like a reply to something else. I think I can tell but I think that's what the format is I don't think he would say this. I think he Um Like he would deem to even mention us by name. Yeah, I don't think so. Yeah, that's a good point He wouldn't want to open that can of worms And they don't my guess is What's the name? I am that Roby with that guy whoever that is. Yeah, I'm not Roby. Yeah. Yeah, that's a fair guess Yeah, that's my guess. Is this very recent. Is this recent? Oh, I feel I'm not gonna give you any of those details I just wanted the quote in isolation. I'll tell you everything as soon as the free is locked in again Oh The stress of it all Is it uh, what what was that guy that we talked to about? No, I probably wouldn't be him. Oh, you thought twin perfect, maybe. Oh Yeah He thinks pretentious, so I don't think he calls. Yeah, I think that this he would say this on discord He wouldn't say this on Twitter Probably yeah What's the name of that guy that we talked to about um about Batman v Superman who What was that guy? I was to him perfect one. Oh No, no, no, no the um the guy who came on Been perfect. That was him. Oh You're thinking it's been perfect guy. He wouldn't answer any questions. Yes. Okay. Yes. Oh, I think matters Um, don't worry. You don't actually lose anything if you get this wrong Call I'll go for him then all right twin perfect Cosmonaut or I am that wrong.  Take your time. This is important for sure. I don't know Trying to I'm trying to think of what could have Who hates us that much I know just like I don't feel like brown I feel like brown table wouldn't Wouldn't say this. He didn't see the type. Yeah, I'd agree with that. There's some big words in there that are spelled correctly Man, I don't know there's so many potential culprits Yeah, well, you know Just just whoever you want right just go go with a lock in of any kind Is is it gonna surprise me? Who knows? Oh, um So, well tell me who it is and then I'll be able to I'm trying to think of names in my head of who it could be that we've covered Like I was I just so meant to high top We've covered. Yeah, the guy called. Oh, it could be high top.  I beg you Okay Filmento, I'll go with filamento. All right so, um I actually More so like caught this because it was posted in discord and I saw efat first and read it And then I looked at who wrote it and I was genuinely like, oh damn Is uh, this was written in january apparently And um, it was uh, booped by the the the person who wrote it apparently Because they got a bit of pushback as you can see with them. They deleted it This was an hour and they've already got that many retweets. So that's a lot Yeah, it might be that people are not happy with this sentiment. Um, and yeah, they deleted it and since then I've actually had like, you know bits and bobs of back and forth a little fun stuff between them I was never shown this And so like I said before I show you who actually wrote it.  I didn't think he would I Generally calling anybody who watches this on e-fap anybody watches e-fap is racist like damn, dude This is like even movie Bob doesn't go this far You know this was in reply to this this could be in reply to like high top or something like that Well, I don't know if this is can you guys tell this is a reply not on main tweet? I'm I'm so Um, it's this randomly would wouldn't this be in reply to someone else if I figure oh So the reason why uh, I've been told that this opposed is because of our coverage of high top wonder woman video Um, oh, and I think he would have been upset that we did that Why well For the same reason they always are free because you shouldn't ever go against any video essays They are expressions of the self wonder woman is kind of wonderful Yeah, his he was a crazy video. It's absolute nonsense. He was really terribly written and put together There was loads of horrible arguments. He ignored loads of stuff from the films He loved the film itself. He enjoyed the events of the film, but he didn't really uh Acknowledge a lot of the writing in it so that he didn't yeah, if you think wonder woman it it's one of those Films I we should come up with a name for it like a Like a category of films where if it kind of it kind of feels dirty calling wonder woman maybe for a film Um a movie It's just it's just a movie if you really like a movie like that It just instantly disqualifies you from having your opinion on movies taken seriously I as this case would be it's like if you think that the falcon and the winter soldier potential segue is Good segue. Well, wait, did you stop? No, it's there for you Enjoy it because I enjoy wonder woman 84. Oh, no, no, no not not enjoy if you think it's good Well, yeah, yeah, like if you think structurally And you know plot narrative and character wise if you think that it's good Or if you think it's a masterpiece even worse But no one would say that surely if you think if those things like oh, you can't talk about like this craft This whole thing was gonna be real hard and then you just can't talk about it because the second you try to make any claims about Continuity is you're like, wait, did you say what would it be for had a really strong costume? You're like, yeah, it does fight me Like all right, just I reflect just to remind everyone wonder woman 84 is a film in which everybody on the planet earth Wishes for something and then is convinced through What gal Gadot's acting? Yeah To give it up to give up everything that they wish for the whip of truth Allows them to Understand that the truth is beautiful and that they need to let go of the lies that are their wishes Even though they're not really lies because they're actually like things that happen and are permanent as long as you don't unwish them A wish is a lie moller. Damn it That's really just cancer the messages you pull out of that feel but awful It's like don't wish for things. You're like, what why what? We all we all have like this think of the movies that like of the opposite of that all the christmas movies are pretty much the opposite of that Wish for it make it happen This hilarious was wrong with wishing for Bruce Wayne wishing for his parents back.    I'm like, are they just like the go-to every single time something horrible comes out They're like, you know by default their position will be the just the flat out wrong one You will share more like choice quotes from high top where he had a tweet where he's talking about watching his own video on Batman forever How he was crying Like seriously the two of them their legends in the video essay community because they're just so they do everything I like I noticed as patterns. They're so iterative as creators. They have to break out sometime Like I believe in them one day Crying at your own video this reminds me of like when somebody says that they're writing a story and they're like I was shedding tears like as I wrote down this stuff.  It's like you made it. Why would you cry? I just man, I can't relate You guys don't cry when you watch e-fap.  It's like most of the time when I watch something I'm just sort of sitting there like, you know, just pretty stationary Well, yeah, this is it. I'm consuming this.  He said he's gonna be here at any moment He's already a part of this group. So he'll literally just pop in and it's gonna be horrifying It's gonna be right there We could be in the middle of talking about any subject relating to this talk of this this show and just drop right in Speaking of which we should probably move on to because we're gonna be here for a while tonight I imagine the smart thing to do I think whenever we have a topic like this It's just you know, get a blib from everybody right like a general take on the show because everyone's seen it Everyone's discussed it here and there on on twitter and this is You know a good way to set at the baseline I guess we'll go left to right. We typically do meaning myself and rags are lost I'm wonderful have anything insightful to say by the time everyone else has done rags. I don't know Yeah, I'll have to rename myself Ah rags Yeah, I'll get to go first We have a number that I can go before them even I'll just go zero more than zero look really cool and I'll be first. Anyway cap. How you doing?  Thanks for having me. What did you think of falcon and the winter soldier? I thought it was pretty bad. Oh, I thought it was if it weren't for the social commentary. It might be just kind of Lame and mediocre, but Oh, the the the messages and the social commentary in this are like among the worst I've ever seen It's incredible. I hated it. Especially the ending that little speech. He goes on on television was like the hackiest Stupidest thing I've ever seen in my life. You didn't learn anything Oh, I learned a lot, but none of what they wanted me to learn. I think damn it Uh, it was not good and I wouldn't recommend it to anybody. All right, evan. Welcome back You with the last time you were here for a Wanda vision There you go.  Like it's the newest marvely thing. It's like, yay Oh, I should say just superhero thing at this point What did you think of falcon and the winter soldier? I didn't like it too much. It uh, it is a really meandering story It's just like they add so much like that they cannot develop in like the span of six episodes and it's just It's scatterbrained throughout and there's a lot of problems that are presented because of how they structure it and how subplots are organized and Like cap a lot of my issues come from the messaging like How they present the idea of what captain america represents and like what certain characters say about it and What what they're what they leave you with at the end. It's just like this is not good, dude This is not good a good message to be sending your audience All right Uh fringy nice to see you as per usual. How you doing? Yeah, what did you what did you think of falcon and the winter soldier? so um When episode four came out, um, and There was that shot with the blood on the shield And then I saw on twitter that everybody was saying like oh, this is horrible. How could he do this? um, I got really depressed because one of the lessons that I think became very clear to me while I was watching falcon and the winter soldier is That the show can communicate to you What they are saying is like the true interpretation Um with music and shots and stuff like that and the meta and then everybody kind of just bites into it um and and then By episode six when john walker saves that truck full of people People start realizing that maybe they were wrong and I just feel like incredibly despondent about that because it's like depressing to me that that for a lot of People engaging with media is well, this is what the show told me is true. So I just kind of accept it That was really depressing. Um, I hate this show All right, that's one of those That was like that was like the little scumbag at the end.  Yeah, I appreciate those I do like I do um Wanda vision is worse, but like god damn.  How do you do? Hello Um, I've heard you've seen this show recently from marvel called the winter falcon and soldier man. What did you think of it?  See, um, um I've been noticing this trend in hollywood where every This kills me every Show with a black lead has to have Racist cops like rolling up on them in one at least one scene.       So, you know, it's true That's a lot a lot of what the marvel fans When I would live tweet about it what I would get into an argument with them about like, oh It's no it's fine because like black people get harassed by cops. So it makes perfect sense.   I hate this shit Yeah, it feels like a little bit of a different universe we walked into it's like, wait, I don't remember all this stuff It's like, well, that's the way it is now and you're like, oh, okay Uh, so myself I uh, I actually just think it's Goddamn downright poorly written from start to finish There is a myriad of issues in every single scene everything that they wanted to do is built on Good old-fashioned matchsticks, but I don't think that they even you know had the structure of a matchstick to begin with um A lot of the motivation to do a lot of what they did was entirely like How do you even talk about this show that being like, okay, so they were telling me uh that I need to do better Like it's a bit weird. Is it you like with regards to what you're like? Well, all the things they brought up, right? It's like this this shit tons that um The the efforts to uh because it's something we all will talk about it's like Oh, I want my villain to be still a bit sympathetic to understand why they do what they do I don't think I've ever had Like I have you guys watched anything with with the protagonist simps for the the villain as hard as falcon did Jesus man Well the very end of black panther was a little like that too, yeah Yeah, there's definitely A little bit, but that show is still that maybe still acknowledges that he is like a villain Sorry, you could say there is an acknowledgement of college. This is worse for sure. Yeah It's just not enough and well, uh, I don't know if anybody's bringing it up yet But uh, I believe that falcon was completely like sam was was completely destroyed like he's been assassinated thoroughly Yeah, he's done as a character. He's finished.  Um walker is the giga chad of this. Uh, yeah Um, and there's so many references to go through but yeah, uh, the big pattern I noticed upon the second watch through was that, um Is a problem for a lot of writers apparently more and more I notice as I watch more stuff, but they don't seem to realize that action scenes are Always indicative of character rather than just when you think they are So for example when he when he pulls the truck the writers are away Ah, this action scene shows something about his character. You're like, yes, it does Hands down there Casual action scenes where for example the dora melange throw a spear at walker Before they've even spoken to the people in the room and he dodges it narrowly when it's heading to his face Um That tells you a lot about them immediately. That's very very bad. They are villainous.    It's like dude. Come on It's just like point a point b In no build-up like this is just two points that he has to get to with nothing in between Oh, and I love the way it's edited too. Like he says like I oh, why'd you do it? It's like I had no choice and it's like well, then it isn't really an apology Choice my friend like I know you were brainwashed like talk about that a little bit more Oh, yeah, the choice it's like dude, I like to imagine he literally left after saying that that they didn't flash for it He just literally left at that moment. There's a pause.  I'm just gonna find out that his grief was a lie that he was grieving for the wrong reason and his son was actually murdered It's just like dude, I This might not work the way that you think it will work and the show just never addresses those types of questions Where it's like is telling these people are gonna help like in the long run. What helps me so that's all that matters Yeah, like it takes away my night It's like ah good for you bucky While giving him all new ones Yeah, and that's the thing we don't even get to talk really much at all about any of that because we just get so Little of it. It's like what is it that keeps him up at night? Exactly. And what is it that he gets from these people once he gives them the information they lacked that helps him sleep at night What is it?  He's just like Why'd you do that?  They're they're they're Anther god that's top tier condemnation right there. I feel like the panther god would be like, hmm, nah I'm not sure about you guys. I don't know. I think the white devils might be right this time. I don't know It's a tough one to claim. I have a point So, yeah, uh rags. What did you think of the show? So Recently particularly in the MCU we've had a lot of bad stuff in a row We've watched a lot of bad movies in a row and there's been a lot of other bad shows in a row Um, and I know we're devoid of enjoyment so I went The problem with being asked um Like what what I thought of the show Is that it's like if you know, you know Remember the first time You if this has happened to you think back search your memories for the first time that you heard Like a like a close family member Say the word fuck Right and you and you've never ever heard them like they never really swear ever um, and then all of a sudden just one time They just get so upset and fed up or for whatever reason they actually say fuck out loud And your brains are holy holy crap my aunt my sweet auntie Who'd you never never swears has has said the f-bomb In earnest and you're like wow, I can't believe it because they never swear I want to avoid well We say a lot of things are shit Because a lot of things are a lot of things are really really bad A lot of shows a lot of movies are horrible And I feel like we're just going to go through at least in broad descriptions saying the exact same thing together Like we're just going to say It's terrible and it's awful and the characters are bad and the story's bad It doesn't make sense and it ignores continuity and the morality is super skewed inside of it um And I don't want to keep saying things are horrible and I don't want that to lose its meaning when it comes from us um So I guess if I guess In a way that no other show Or really movie recently has made me feel This show makes me angry with how bad it is the way that it's bad the um the The way that it's constructed the attitude that the people have who make this and the messages that they're trying to put out And the things that get heard along the way because of it The the continuity they have to mess around with This this made me angry like when we finished episode four We were like pissed That the show was doing this it it's bad enough that This show was created that there's someone out there or many people out there who put this together who constructed this um It's bad enough that there are people who have such little writing talent. They have anti talent. They're actually Worse at it than most people probably would be they're so shit at writing They could land jobs with these massive shows and fail upwards spectacularly Maybe the worst part of it is that there are people out there who think that this is good And I think that's probably what depresses me the most I think well, it's it's almost worse as well because I know why I think you you all know why it's like Oh, it's so emotionally resonant in all of the payoffs that were so clunkily plopped together in uh and and how it how it resonates with me because it's uh very Very succinct social commentary that really really gets to your heart when you understand that these are real And you're sitting there like wow, it's so easy for them to do this these days like Um, and they and it's working right because if they if this makes all the money Then it's like well continue whoever wrote this you should write captain america 4. It's like This this is what I've said before I'll say it again and this show only proves my point further The reason that everything's going to be crap in the future I mean not everything a lot of things most things is the case seems to be The reason that your shows are going to be bad and your character is going to be ruined and your plots Aren't going to make any sense. Nothing's going to matter. Nothing's going to be substantive and earning or earn anything is because the the absolute maroon who wrote this is He's getting his own movie now.  I think once you get them to think about it Most people will be fine with it But a lot of people don't think about moot. They don't even think to think about movies in the way that you know You do in the audience or we do here on the panel lineup um but the people who Provide all the money the you know the the disney people and the Is like all the people who make the decisions who pass out the jobs and assign the writers to the things They don't know what good is They don't know what the good is to aim towards So if anything is good, it will be coincidental. It will be as if by accident something has become good Because they don't know what to shoot for it. It's like someone it's like someone at a A firing range who doesn't know where the target is They just do things like well, I know I'm I'm now I'm supposed to I'm I'm supposed to shoot the gun Is the equivalent of well, I know we're supposed to have this emotional scene of the character Okay, I'll put that in here. I guess like well, I'm not supposed to I'm now I'm supposed to load the gun like oh I know there's supposed to be a Dramatic scene here with the antagonist. I'll put I'll put that over here And then maybe if they just do all the right things In some way, it'll just end up being a bullseye but And for those who are curious because some people are like way What was the point about the the aunt with the swear words?  So like if if you're a funeral funeral director And you're on a funeral home and people say how's business and you're like business is great I mean a lot of people died That's how that's that's e-fap is it's it's the funeral home for bad media Which means we should probably get into references. I suppose we'll start this train Well, we don't need references. We have opinions. That's all it matters. I was gonna say it's pretty well listed That's that's all of our takes and if you're like what the show is incredible It's like, well, I guess it's time to show you why we think what we think Uh, because that's that's how you typically would do it, right?  I found a video that was actually I need to stop playing Tetris in order to Not jumble this up I uh, I was I was listening to a video that was about, um Have you guys heard of the book of five rings? No, but I've heard the legend of the ten rings I've heard of max magician and the legend of the rings um I haven't heard of any of these so Man, there's more stuff. I need to so It's um, it's it's written by Miyamoto Musashi who was like a a ronin who who went around japan and fought 60 people and never lost or something like that um And I was I was listening to a video where um This this guy he wrote down a list of all of his little rules for uh for life And um a few of them focus on the fact that just because you feel something doesn't mean that it's particularly Worth a while and that indeed it can lead you astray. It's just interesting to think about that This ancient wisdom on maybe just because you felt something that doesn't mean anything I see what you're saying to think about it more You felt this was bad and that might be meaningless because it's probably because remember your gut feelings They serve a purpose when you were out in the savannah picking berries and hunting down Lions it doesn't necessarily serve you well when you're watching a movie Especially when the person who constructed all of this was specifically seeking to evoke these emotions So that you don't think about how deficient everything is because that's kind of what it is It's like a big teddy bear, but if you pick it up the landmine explodes and you die Yes, kind of like what this is Yeah, because the interesting thing about that is that I think a lot of like the brown table types would be like What do you mean every writer every filmmaker is trying to evoke an emotion? It's like correct Which means we can't just judge it by that. We have to go by what they actually gave us, right? and then probably like Sure, like cool So let's talk about whether or not everything they did lines up because whether or not they try to you know When he brings kali's body down with his angel wigs to Someone might feel they were trying to evoke evoke a particular emotion there and I would be like I don't know what you're talking about. I I just saw it as yeah, you know He's just delivering the delivering the body Totally fine like if so wanted to try and argue that So I'd be like so let's look at kali, you know And I've seen on twitter people be like being a little bit harsh to kali Aren't you like you have to agree like she has a point. That's the whole thing with falcon. She does have a point And I I wonder if they've ever like experienced just Like does the emperor have a point? Maybe the rebels are causing too much trouble. He might have a point I am I'm so very happy Go ahead I was just gonna say technically everyone has quote unquote a point and like I think bucky even confront sam About like the ends justifying the means and I forget what he says, but it's like it ends there, dude The ends do not justify them Well, it's um, it's like I cannot believe that the show is more sympathetic to carly than walker Yeah, it's insane It's dude how hot he has to work to get not as far as her in terms of appreciation Like he he gets like a thumbs up from the show. She gets a clap Yeah, the show is very reluctant to have you walking away thinking that the murderous terrorist villain Is a bad person. You gotta stop using words like terrorist rags. That's what I learned He just kind of asked yourself why You need to stop using terms I'm with a very specific meaning I don't yeah refugees the weirdest one because that's just categorical And I don't think any refugee would be against being called a refugee. They'll be like, yes I am a refugee isn't a pejorative term. It's a descriptive term.  Um Good no need to understand anyone's perspective. Who's a nazi that's why they broke too far They went over the line. I'm I find it very amusing that people said that he was japanese red skull Wait, who was japanese red skull? Sorry, uh, damn it. I Miyashi that Musashi Clean your dojo. I think I saw somebody Exactly So, yeah, uh, the show opens with him being Replaying that good old line from the uh, the end of endgame where he's like, oh boy. I don't know if it belongs to me And uh day long when I caught your video. I thought it was great where you've kind of retconned Endgame at least to a degree. I'm sure most people would understand this the The atmosphere at the end of endgame Like man, thank you for giving me the shield the thing that like the guy with the shield That I got that's a lot of I'm taking on a lot and I'm gonna do you proud. Meanwhile in this it's like This is a white guy's thing In the endgame it's an endgame. It's so hopeful And it's like it's a done it's a done deal like he's gonna be captain america But in the show in the opening it's like it's so morose and like It's a burden now.   So it's like, eh, maybe he thought this it's like I don't think that's what endgame is going for No, it feels like it belongs to someone else it isn't nigger You know we can't get in trouble because she's allowed so is fringy fringy go nuts No, I'm good So, uh, we then kind of to what already just starts presenting issues It's like falcon is doing some kind of contractual work for the government. It's like, oh I I don't are we gonna get any weird on like how they got reintegrated Was there any trouble with the accords because he was a vigilante and then he got popped and then he's back Was there any no? All right. Yeah, he's working for the government again. Okay. It's like just aping the beginning of winter soldier Yes Yeah, so I mean if we're gonna if we're gonna kind of start off there You need to understand everyone that the show Every character and what they're doing and why they're there and on whose authority All of these things exist in this weird ather of ambiguity Why why are they here? Why are what who sent them? All this stuff Do they are they allowed to be here or who who enabled them to be here? Well, if you're the questions that don't The g.r.c.'s answer goal is to reset borders. That's what they want to do And that's what our villains are trying to stop them from doing But as far as I can tell in every single, uh, scene where they travel anywhere at every single actual scene Action scene that borders are up and active Yeah, yeah, the world building is pure nonsense Yeah, because people in a functioning world so borders will exist There's well, so yeah, we'll probably get on to that at some point But I I find it laughable that they're like we gotta get rid of borders.  Why and how? um That's actually something I have a little less trouble believing Uh, because when you get rid of half of humanity another probably half of what remains is gonna die pretty quickly after that Like from all kinds of different reasons.   It's like maybe we there's probably a lot of things that could happen when you need like an expert in, um I don't know everything to tell you exactly how everything would go down I think I said before because gizak could make a probably a pretty good video about it Like what would happen to the will if half of the people were just taken? Um, because this is the thing it's so indiscriminate, right? Like the think of the people in hospitals that will die because half of the doctors are just suddenly gone like uh-oh And uh, and also just government half of that means that statistically speaking half of the like leaders of each country You know will die, but what but think of all the people who will live because half the assassins in the world disappeared Um, so yeah, uh, could I envision a world where there's no real countries anymore because it's so chaotic? It's like, uh, maybe I don't know. It's yeah, we don't see that. That's for sure.  I have no idea how to deal with this. Um, but none of them have been trying so far None of them have given a shit Far from home was like we want to do our story. Can we just say it kind of just functions? It's like, oh, okay One division was like We're in a town who cares it's whatever it's whatever's going on out there Okay, and then this show was like, yes, it was horrible But everything's normal really They've been like everything functions just fine, but it was horrible It's like did nothing change in terms of like the government or how Society function at all or did everything just work out and then when everyone came back everything was normal it's just Well, here's the thing if the world is drastically different then the social commentary won't work Because then it can't be a commentary on our current world So you remember there was a throwaway line like sycovia got absorbed by all the other countries State anymore How would you feel was the sycovians to know that your country got blown up because of the avengers And because of the new avengers your country no longer exists Because i'm convinced and not to change the borders.  I have a point And it's like wait, but wait like now what do we do? It's like poland. Yeah kind of so, um It's really really really confusing and I don't I think this is the most we'll ever get for all of them They want to get right into telling their stories They can't be asked to get the connective details that bring us in and i'm Okay with opening with an action Thing and then contextualizing it and gradually over the season building that world, but they do not do that They're just like fuck it. I don't know the grc have Like the most control I think I don't know. Yes the global repatriation council And their job is to try and just get everything back to normal They have to restate borders. They have to move resources around.  I don't know Is that it this is like are they are they essentially the american government? It's like kind of I think so They're like the un stand-in kind of yeah because they have leaders from around the world As a as a this seems like a new un and their job is to try and look after the world Like oh wow that's a lot of pressure I'm just i'm just watching this fight scene that you've got playing here Where sam kills all these people without a second thought Yeah But then he won't fight carly He won't that is well soldiers who are infinitely dangerous It's phenomenal that he kills so many people in this season not to mention the mcu as a whole and carly he refuses to that's I don't like to skip around But like that was one of the last things I saw today as I was rewatching that episode It is this is part of the biggest assassination for me is that he's cradling the villain as one of his best friends behind him Is bleeding to death Meanwhile, he just kicks this. Yeah, it's insulting honestly. It's horrible. It's not sam Saving his life, you know the psychopath had a gun on him and she shot him and saved him. It's like, yeah, okay Yeah, I'll leave you bleeding as much as I don't I don't want anybody going but Sharon's evil It's like he doesn't know that ignore on it. Just keep that out of your head. Okay? He don't know it. He doesn't know any of that Well enough, even if he did know like well It's more complicated so I'd rather not even mention it because it's just not what happened Right, but like he doesn't seem to give a shit about Sharon and that's confirmed by so much to talk about I should probably stick with the scene we're on So much We're gonna rabbit hole of despair So, yeah, like, uh, what I guess I wanted was more wheel building because Jesus Christ I thought this was going to be the one I I figured far from home was like, no, we're not gonna We're not we're not going to do it. It's like, okay. Wanda vision is like, no We're not doing it. We're doing a reality TV show thing. You're like, okay So what Falcon mosa you guys are like a sequel to one of the most grounded movies in the MCU or several of them You guys got to be the ones to do it, right? And they're like, well We gave it a shot We gave it one draft. All right, that's the most we could be bothered Um, and so I don't even know when to bring this up But I mean you kind of have to write you're like, oh man, he's got his um His wings I think are upgraded since we've last seen them. I'm not a hundred percent sure, but they're obviously brand spanking new Um, he has red wing that is equipped with like a mini gun a laser and rockets. It's like damn. That's good. It's got x-ray Basically what I'm saying is he is kitted out with stock tech. They describe it as stock tech. So I assume Pepper is the one who's organizing this. I don't know Another thing we never find out about of course because they want to pretend like the whole world is just the characters in this season Um, and so naturally your brain might go man completing these really high octane Missions for the government with technology that is kind of revolutionary and in just his hands. He must be loaded Yeah, he's doing all this. Yeah Like in the government like surely lots of money and not just his current job But I mean the people that he knew who ran the avengers who did all this stuff I mean how how could this guy with as famous and important and well known as he is with people Just recognizing him here and there Like man, how may this guy's got everything this guy was he must want for nothing Right And so yeah, uh, I guess I don't want to spend too long talking about this action Seeing because so much to get through but like it's really flimpy Uh, the falcons really experienced at this point and I remember when uh, when freaking was like, oh The episodes are out, you know, we can watch three in a row Myself rags and and frames like oh that's gonna be great Put it up and we're a little bit confused just like context, but you know, that's fine Because it's like they'll explain it.  Take away the element of surprise. It's like And when you're on a stealth mission to try to attack and maybe somebody would say well Idiots, what's he supposed to do? He needs to see inside there. It's like, it's not like he has like an extra vision or something Like what the what? The funny thing about is uh, his vision that I noticed I think it was almost second watch through or something but it it literally tells him signal matches for hostiles and friendly Count what does that say? Count you think I would just say like friendly and unknown instead of just declaring them hostile because it doesn't recognize who they are Like how many people died because of that? I um, I supposedly just decided like like if they have guns or if they look If they have aggressive body language the hostiles like all right redwing if you say so they're scowling so um So yeah, uh, he could have just done this to open with and and what's funny is like he gets spotted and we were like But then the pilot isn't believed. He's like, oh, there was nothing out there. It's like You Try to stop us right now Not only was uh, was there clearly a person there that he saw but it's falcon. Do you not know falcon? He's like one of the most famous superheroes on the planet. It's falcon I don't know if you went oh boss who would be the avenger they send if if they were to send is like Or even if they were to theoretically of course If they were to send in any of the avengers in their current roster after us right at this moment Who do you think that it would be the person named falcon? Perhaps? I don't know Might just be thinking aloud. I know I should be focusing on flying the plane doing whatever it is We're doing but uh Good now, but yeah So yeah, there's like at least two other times in the show where people should take the element of surprise And then they just don't for no reason like there's a you know and bucky Jumps onto one of the trucks and there's a truck right behind him. Yeah That highway scene was when I was basically like shows dead after the highway scene was over So Which is one I mean it's already awful by this point, but at the very end When walker like he burst through a door really loudly and then started sneaking around Yeah, they do they do do it a lot. It's funny. Um So this scene is filled with closing the distance a common infection in a lot of action.  Well, yeah movies have an issue If guns introduce a lot of logistics issues If you want to have a if you want to have a show About melee combat where people are punching and fighting In a world where guns exist and are very effective as it seems to be the case You have an issue as a writer where you have to keep that in mind when you're writing your scenes And this is often unfortunately remedied by lazy ass idiot writers deciding, you know what I'm just gonna I'm just gonna have the guys with guns Just run up towards the person they want to shoot while not shooting so that they can be disarmed And then they could start punching each other brilliant I am a talented human being and we have a solution for this Attach a bayonet to the pistols run it right into them.   They pierce The cockpit door slash wall and then they go into the pilot killing him through the seat as well I remember So when this happened all three of us were like Oh So yeah, falcon forgot there was another soldier the soldier starts shooting at him and uh They deflect off of falcons wings into the This is the thing. I don't know how many walls that's traveling through because There's I think it was a staircase up to the pilot area because I'm because you were saying that it breaks the cockpit Now I'm pretty sure that even in commercial planes That shit is thick like That I wouldn't ever let alone a deflection like a ricochet from a bullet like the velocity would slow down I don't think it was I don't think it was ricochet I just think that it just so happens that this guy shot two times and two bullets went through the pilot seat And I'm like wow They just wanted the they just wanted a ticking clock. They just needed a reason from the plane So they said oh the uh the pilot get shot twice by zone dude. Oh just to add to that What do you what do you mean? It wasn't ricochet though What oh, I assumed it wasn't no no It's definitely ricochet because basically like the pilot is behind the guy who's shooting He shoots at falcon. It ricochets off his wings into the guy So he shoot Yeah, so just I'll say it one more time.  I'm not sure where it hits the pilot if it's his head Then we don't have to count the body armor, but because there's no blood in the mcu except when they want to make a point about someone being evil I can't tell Like uh because it goes through the the head of his his chair if you will and if it's that angle It would have to be coming from below which means it's have to go through his head But there's just no reason to think it's his head because there's no blood I think it goes through his the chest right it goes through the body of the chest his head looks fine You have to say if it hit him in the head it would probably go through and through like I don't think so. I don't know Oh, well, I don't think it makes it pass the pilots the cockpit room walls I think it gets stuck there and that's only like the fucking luck of it deflecting right into his seat as well like damn um It's funny to me because later later in the show The power broker lady uses someone like as a human shield and I'm like that blocks the bullets completely but ricocheting a bullet going through walls that works fine The physics are miraculous here And yeah, he's able to use the the falling plane to his advantage somehow Like it helps him beat that guy But then the autopilot kicks in and so it levels out again But unfortunately we got a french dude just wait this part like when we first saw it I just didn't remember what happened like It's it. I just didn't know but basically like everybody that falcon took out gets back up It's like round two. Basically. It just just happens. Yeah, this is a weird reset in the fight. That's just bizarre So the fight scenes in this show are really shitty. They're really bad Talking about that how they instantly get into their flight suits It's just like they kick sam down and then all of a sudden all of them are just dressed up and ready to go It's like, oh Did that just happen? Um So french guy is up and two of his like men are up and they immediately run to soldier man That falcon supposed to be protecting and there is this bit that just baffles me. So french guy throws Sorry bar talk is his name. Is it? What's it by troc? No bar talk was the name of rasputans bat in You know bar talk got his own movie Good, yeah, he got his own vhs movie called bar talk the magnificent So bat rock then he had like a talking snake as a companion It was really fucking weird Hey rags his name is actually bat rock the leaper Bat rock the leaper that's his name from the comics Always like he jumps and he uses his legs as fighting Yeah, he does a lot of that at the the time we see him so um, he Like throws falcon into some boxes What kicks him into them or something falcon goes down now everybody if you have your copies at home You can see this yourself falcon goes down now What we know about the current state of the room is the bat rock is looking at him And the other two guys are putting a wingsuit On for each of them to be able to take the guy out. We cut to People outside with the trucks being like, oh no falcon. I hope you're doing okay, buddy I like it. I hope you're right And then we cut back and everybody is fully ready with all of these suits and good to go even bat rock So it's like wow falcon must have been knocked out then There's no way that he would have let this happen That's like how long did it for him to stand up after all of that because like bat rock wasn't even in his suit at all He was something completely different and he has a gun.  Why didn't he execute him? He just didn't need our white suit. I don't know how sight is happening. Yeah And then falcon luckily wakes back up and he's like, hey, stop. But then he starts shooting at him like go away He starts shooting at him but he gets his wings out. It's like, okay now Part of why this is still a problem is the first time I saw them jump out of this plane I was like, did you need to do that?  Yeah, you're you that at the last place you want to fight falcon is In the air. Yeah Because they have all those spare helicopters that they're gonna use.  I was like, who do these helicopters belong to is it? Is it which side of the border they belong to? Is the america? Is it bat rock? Like why? Why did that lie? These are helicopters so that you could fly into them if need be like was he expecting it to go wrong? It was so weird But it gives falcon loads of things to explode. So that's the important part So cool like the helicopter crash.  I'm sure they were really really proud of it because it's like Cool, it's got a huge cool factor.  They only go forward It's like, I don't think that's possible lads falcon is possible for but you guys don't have any thrusters You're just gonna keep going down Oh, you've fallen with style.  We'll just give him the suit like which is another thing They need to address now because with tony gone There was an assumption that tony just didn't want to give his suits out because he doesn't like anybody having them at This point, but it's like, I don't think you can hang on to that anymore like um Why doesn't falcon have an iron man suit Why doesn't he's got stark tech and it's like it has bits of what the iron man's suit have In terms of like weaponry and stuff, but it's like he leaves him really exposed Yeah, um he I mean Yeah, because he could just in theory falcon can just get shot by a bullet And die which is funny in theory because the wakandans do the same thing with the suit they give him Assuming all of his suit is vibranium. They leave his the top of his skull open for some reason Like that's insane to me. We didn't need to cover that Nor his jaw Nor his leg Well, I don't know about the legs, but you don't mean like it's it's these because they're comic accurate But at the same and you want the characters to have individuality, but at the same time You know you got to address this you got to have pepper be like, you know now we're not having We're not having iron man suits for everybody. Okay, and it's like but you can have the falcon suit It's like a lot of things in this In the in the show just don't think about any of it This film absolutely this film this this series of catastrophes It crumbles the second you even begin to think about it Something that's um fun to note. He has a thruster malfunction at one point in this action scene. Oh, no, what does that mean? That's horrible.  It doesn't really mean anything. His thrusters still work Oh, okay, and he just carries him away. That's not really a malfunction then And um, it's just delaying when he can do that one of my favorite lines Is uh, torrez his little helpful government dude is watching this fight and goes Oh, no, he's outnumbered He's cutting back to him. Will he's kind of the point? It's like the part of the mission was he was outnumbered? Yeah, he's he's of course. He's outnumbered. Why would he that's the mission? It's like what a shocker. It's like wow If I was in the car, I'd be like what what do you mean? Yes, like what do you mean that there's more than we thought? Is that what you're saying? There's a really even one there's more than one hostile that he's going up against. It's like, yeah, he's he's outnumbered sam um, there's a bit where he uh, he lands in the helicopter with The the the target the all the bad guys and it he waits for the camera to pan over to him before he's like, hey And it's like, oh, that's so funny Risking people's lives. Like I don't think that's this falcon the guy that does this ever. Is he much of a quipper?  It's like that's Why like why would you do this? Like well, it's a funny joke. You're like All right, well He's like, I don't know if you've been in a fight. There's usually not this much talking Like sam is never like this in action. So he's um, he's a straight man He doesn't he takes this all very very seriously. He's got a history as a Paratrooper veteran that lost his um lost his wingman Yeah There's advice for people dealing with trauma. It's like he's just not the guy who does quips, but I guess Everyone has to be quick now. I feel like that thing people say is sort of Getting to be very true Quipping clippiness is a replacement for a personality Well, keep in mind, you know, the creator of the show said he had to be decidedly black for this series What does that even mean?   What did you do to him? Whiplash, they never account for whiplash.  No Oh, yeah, and and by the way, this will apply to falcon as well falcon has to worry about not whiplashing himself Oh, that's true Yeah, the show seems to forget that he's just a normal person. Mm-hmm. Yeah, it has no idea He's trapped to his back. This has yeah Is you want to get the target it looks like he's wearing his seatbelt in there Did did it just snap off because he was Imagine the seat belt was on and then you pull him out and it's just the top off of him That's when he's completely gone. It's like, oh, I'm sorry. Oh my god. You're right. I think he is wearing a seatbelt.  Oh no, look at that. It looks pretty strong too. Like this is the kind of straps Well, yeah, seat belts are strong. It's a helicopter, man Yeah This is exactly the thing that a seat belt is designed To prevent someone being ripped from the seat suddenly That would hit because the funny thing is we might have complained that he didn't have a seat belt If he didn't but now it's like well, it's good that he was wearing a seat belt, but He's pretty much just dead. Oh man And and this is the kind of thing where you can you you bring up something like this and then someone else says you're just nitpicking And you ask that person at what time do we just stop trusting what we see I think where's the breaking point? I think I like the idea. It's kind of like when Ned Flynn This is walking through the fake out the new house that the town built for him as each issue comes up You just like all right. There's a toilet in my kitchen. Wow. The floor's kind of gritty here Oh, we just painted it This hallway doesn't lead anywhere. Oh, this is the electricity room And the hallway that just gets narrower narrower and it just stops And then you have the uh, the what was it the the poster? I don't like crusty. That was a major support Yeah, the poster kept the house together And so, yeah, you walk outside and you're like, yeah, those were all just nitpicks and then the house collapses And it's like, yeah, that's that Titanic crashed because of several small errors that people made Just like your movie or tv show can be destroyed by several small errors amounting to one massive massive I think that when people are like, well, what are your arguments?  I think it's fair to be like dude. Come on. Like it's one thing in an act. Come on However, once it's like 10 per second of every action scene, you're like, okay. Yeah, because you start to wonder What are you actually enjoying anymore? Like what was it you liked about it at this point? It's like, well, I liked seeing my characters defeat enemies. Like, yeah I mean, if you guys oh just print out a jpeg Just print out a picture of Falcon's flying in the air. There's your accent scene. All right. We did it Oh like, um, it's just a picture of Falcon and it's actually in the movie and it's five minutes long and somebody's just going Until we get to the next scene By the way, I forgot about that part where they just paint the floor to look like floor. This is soil It's so good. Yeah What do you think the house that love built? Oh shoot Dude, that's one of the best ways to summarize like what we do When people like hey, look a lot of love and effort went into it. It's like, yeah I can see that a lot of people I can't live in good intentions. I can't have fun with good intentions either So Uh scene after and it's already very eyebrow raising and you'll just get this sense as you rewatch it because you can see all the DNA but like the character's like, oh, you know, this is this is new group called the flag smashes Which by the way, did everyone else also go like, oh, what a name You can't smash a flag You have to freeze it first and then you can smash the flag The flag rippers the flag terrors How how about the flag gets The massive Flag smashers sounds like something a 12-year-old will come up with. Yes, we're the flag smashers. Yeah And you know, did you did you did you have any other options? What were the other options? I want to see what you when you had the bullet meeting Any other options and we'll just blops down a dictionary on the table There's a few of you So his friend Torres is like, oh, you know Flag smashers they um, they want to go back to the times before the blip Or rather during the blip and and he's like, oh, that's a bit strange And he's like, yeah, you know, they think times were better than but they they weren't like Torres is the rational person in this conversation It's like they were not better anyone could would be able to tell that and then falcons like Well, you know Unprompted by the way, you know when one thing gets good for one group can be bad for another group Yeah And like if I was at the table, I'd be like, why did you say that? Why would you why would you say that?  He doesn't say sometimes. He says every time every time Every time something gets good for one group it gets worse for another or something like it's insane That is nothing ever happened in the history of the universe that was simply beneficial It was always a drawback to everything This caused an effect everyone you have to understand all of life is zero some game after all And so when we're watching it it was just like a Strange and uh, you know when you think about Writing a lot you're like, oh, is that is that theme are we on theme? Uh, oh, is that gonna be uh, oh, what are we doing? He's like There's always a reason for every piece of dialogue. Yeah, the mcu got better for the writers and it got worse for the audience Yeah, that's a good. I want to return to a time before this show back when things was simple and the bad guys Killed people that was considered bad. I miss those times. It was a simple time um And yeah, and so falcon is like, ah the i'm giving up the shields Caps gone this willed another thing. He said that I was just like that strange. He was like, um This is a new world and it needs new heroes Like like that are fit for this world and I was like, what are you? Are you suggesting that like Are you suggesting dr. Strange and ant man and everyone like they need to sort of update or leave like what what's that's What do you what are we sitting?  It was much more to do with like, you know Just doing the right thing and it's very fundamental Fighting through what's right like this is the thing that this show propagates Is that he was like the tool of the state and that like he just went along with everything It's like he didn't that was what he spent all of winter soldier and civil war doing is like fighting against authority. It's like Which by the way, I think all you guys I think a little bit awkward Steve rogers the man who defied the government and the un's wishes the democratically voted leaders that all decided that this was important He defied all of them And uh, he eventually went back in time to stay with his hoodie Yes, he fought Thanos.  Tony actually wedded lied with the u.s. Tony uh, Tony was Tony I don't know it felt a little bit weird to me. It's like well, of course cap is going to be appreciated for everything that he did And it's like well, there's just no awkwardness. There's no pushback There's no sense that like oh well, he was the guy who did xyz, but he is also the guy who did a bc You know, that's that's totally fair. It's just like didn't Didn't Tony did Tony get like a museum? I know you had that documentary thing going on in far from home But I was just like this is just strange. He's he's held up as like the hero captain american I was like surely it would be Tony in this universe Yeah, and I mean Tony did get like the funeral at the end of endgame and all it's like it seems to like people acknowledge him But it is weird that this show just doesn't even acknowledge him barely at all Especially with the whole stuff with the mummy and what he gave to the avengers. So well, yeah Why would I even imply for a second? Well, it didn't get falcon any money that um Tony was a good person who should have been appreciated because uh, both Tony and cap get shot on in this season Unfortunately when you find out the decisions that they've made Um, which by the way, you are not supposed to be able to assassinate characters after they've died That's not something you're supposed to do but they they find it ways They dig it out talented writers do you just don't understand hollywood art One of those things where you just assume they're safe because they're dead like what else can you do with them?  I don't know about that.  Absolutely. They're sure were and so He could be a little bit annoying. We're gonna get into those examples. They are very frustrating But yes, uh, he gives up the shield and um, there's just an implication of just like we as viewers like The falcons could end up with our shield by the end of the season Yeah, he's gonna Yeah, we all know Uh, but how will they do it and um, we we're given little poorly How indeed Poorly and so It's like, yeah, so we get winter soldiers also part of this season.   That would be weird um And yeah, so what I kind of want to point out here is like it's so weird It's it looks cool, right from to punch through the this like this mural but why It's really And yeah, like he's described as like a ghost in captain america the winter soldier That you'll like say like people don't believe he exists because no one's seen him. It's like why why it's like a ghost buster ghost I don't believe but they can all see it's yeah, so if he's punching through this right guys This is fear the sake of you guys at home. You see this arrow. That's where he's gonna punch through Theoretically whatever this door over here leads to is probably like a hallway down here And that's where he's punching through just come around this side What are you doing?  It's like please please just portray him being intelligent I need you to do that Problem in winter soldier. There's tons of incompetency in that they say But it's like from what we see with this assassinations. He's not good and so One of the first thoughts I had is like, how could he possibly have remained? Yeah, like like you said like a ghost How he doesn't even he doesn't even make sure he's killed all of these people One of them he hits down to the floor just standard punch Uh, this is an active hotel. Who knows how many eyes are on him? Has he gotten all the cameras? Let's say just do you think he'd come back at night or when his target was alone and do you think of all the ways you Can assassinate this guy?    Yeah So Shocked that went up to bad luck. I was already like, okay, but then you know, there's this struggling witness like oh my good god and Then the idea of the scene hit me and I'm like, this is cool I do like the idea that this sometimes gonna get witnesses caught in the crossfire and because he's so You know Winter soldiery he will just kill them instantly and these are the kinds of kills Along with others that will weigh on bucky's conscience and he wakes up from the nightmare with a gunshot and I was like, hey, that's I You know what I mean? Like if you guys will find out I was writing this season and I go I'm gonna have it so that he's like having nightmares of his past kills as a form of ptsd I'm sure you'll be like, yeah, that's that almost seems like the thing to do. Yeah, that's the thing that that would be Sounds like it. Yeah But that's not good enough just saying that isn't good enough.  That wasn't it um because Is ptsd is barely present in this whole season Barely there because he goes on missions with sam like they just kind of brush it by the wayside and they don't address PTSD once he once he inundates himself in more violence and death It doesn't really bother him at all in any way actually That's the thing about a comedy We have all your opportunities every time we hit nighttime He should be getting the nightmare and we should but sometimes not even be able to tell Like I think a really good payoff for like the third or fourth nightmare Is that it comes across as a normal scene for him and falcon And like he's struggling more and more with whatever they get into a normal fight with whoever Like maybe the flag smashes and he goes really far and maybe fucking like rips a head off Or at least it's implied and then he wakes up from the nightmare. And so it's like, oh He thinks that like what he's done as winter soldier is still going to bleed into his like You know the way that he operates his fighting style and how Competent he is is still dependent on his history as the winter soldier the thing he's trying to repress It's like, oh, this is lots to work with here Um, not to mention loud noises quick noises and people if ever they managed to sneak up on him should freak him out every time That's like the standard way to portray it, but there's nothing. It's all just fun He's just having fun with falcon on all these adventures That's terrible It's something that the interviews in this first episode is like bait. It's like a hook It's like, whoa, what about this and then the rest of the show just doesn't address me They're just like, hey, we wrapped it up. He said that he killed the guy's son Which There is a common thread with stuff with bucky stuff with falcon and um, right if it was I can't remember what your character was but like they they they state The current state of affairs for themselves in their mindset and then by the last episode or the penultimate one They will state the opposite. They'll be like it is no longer this you're like, yes We did it He went on Yes, uh, not only do I think there's damage done to bucky, but he's been thoroughly wasted in this season It's not really he's not really important to it.  I'm just like, do you know how many issues there are in this scene? Yeah, but one thing.  They're all intense It's just Making worth the very least The very least is sort of like shallow depth of field close-up of him could You know reflect something about his emotional state, but they do the same shot on the therapist So it doesn't have that impact either You know what I mean, you know, I when I was watching I was just kind of like oh, we're still doing close-ups Okay, like instead of feeling what they probably wanted me to feel which was this is a very personal scene They are discussing things that are very very to the core of the characters But it's not intimate because you can only see half their face, you know, like yeah, I know what I'm saying Good close-up.  So I think his PTSD should be taken very seriously Um And as much as this person has a history with people dealing with people who have PTSD She says for us that the government is still worried about him being a winter soldier That already I was like wow. Oh, how is he allowed to walk around?  You're on a pretty tight leash. But yeah, so I was just Okay, um, but the way she says it isn't like we still have a lot of concerns about like, you know state of mind we need to make sure that you're Stable and that nobody can you know do what Zemo did basically the way she says is we got to make sure you're not and then mimic stabbing I remember just being like what Funny, it's like, you know, it's it's kind of comedic, you know, light heart scene. How inappropriate, you know I don't know. Maybe I take therapy a little bit more seriously.   This is this literally what my mind gets taken over and I'm used as a weapon You're like, don't be stabbing Felt awkward reminding me of Iron Man 3, which is not good um But that's Let's further down the list of my issues here because we get a big info dump Um, and it's specifically because this whole episode info dumps Basically tells you what bucky's arc is gonna be and then ignores it until episode five And then ignores it again the um He's very sad very alone and has PTSD because he needs to make amends for the life he led as winter soldier He has three rules nothing illegal nothing to hurt anybody and to make sure that the person involved isn't told He's no longer the winter soldier.  Oh That's kind of right. Oh, that's interesting. But he's still the winter soldier. That's a really good point Big miss on their part with that one. Yeah They made him the white wolf. That's like exactly should have been captain america and the white wolf should have been his new identity His new hero name. He's the white wolf. Nope.  Yeah um, so These rules very important.   The scene is portrayed as he goes through the the rule and then we see him break it and it's like t he doesn't make a whole lot of sense Because apparently right the scenario is there's a senator who got into her position of power thanks to the winter soldier So he wants to go and depower her and the way he's going to do it is Giving a bunch of files to her associate or something like that. That's what he says. However In reality, he attaches some kind of thing to a car listens in on her conversations And then remote controls the car to put it into a position he wants and then beats her passenger Unconscious and then tells her he's no longer the winter soldier. He's bucky barns.    I don't even know if there was a smashed window ignore me on that one But um the Unlike who did this basically and the one will be like well the man said I am bucky barns I am not the winter soldier. So I feel like that's a big indication Um, yeah, blame the guy with the vibranium arm Typical Yeah, so not only barns sounds like the name of like a mascot Yeah Like a bear and so um, yeah senator atwood was her name and so yeah, he's um, he did that and She's like good that you stayed by the rules. It's like you would know he didn't so I don't know why you said that He definitely broke the law three times.  Well, he must be very appreciative of whoever bailed him out. Oh 100% 100% And yeah, the rest of the scene is to imply it is really annoying with overt dialogue We have like, oh, let me see your phone. He's like She's like, oh, you don't talk to anybody.   So And that's the scene, you know, I mean like there's a couple of jokes thrown in and it's it's mainly just to tell you What is ox gonna be like? Thank you Those are my complaints. I don't know Well, the other thing is that doesn't she say Later on that like she knows when he's lying, but she doesn't know when he's lying about like that. He broke all those rules Yes, she she can tell but she can't tell what she would literally have been told. She is his like carer They would tell her. Yeah The thing is like is she faking it and so that like She can keep him out of jail because she wants to she wouldn't be able to do that right because That's just official It would be like there's an accusation that you did this to these people And there's strong evidence that you did because we saw you walking away from the scene But wouldn't even and you said your name when you did it. So yeah, it's a bit awkward. There's a witness There's two witnesses actually And uh, you told your therapist that you did get her arrested So seems like we've got a pretty good case against you We're gonna need a good lawyer, but yeah And so then yeah because we got to get we got to get this done so quickly It just it all happens all once it's like mr. Nakajima is the guy the bucky's hanging out with oh by the now We can definitely bring this up. So Who do you think's the most famous person? Sorry real quick before you move on? I just want to I just want to say that They really did have the time to do more and they chose not to like they have episodic television They could have taken their time and they just didn't it's not really an excuse. There's a lot of meandering around There's a lot of a lot of unnecessary stuff That happens a lot of little stuff that could be cut a lot of And things they could have done to fill in the gaps.  You have to have two big fight sequences per episode So you have to make situations where that's gonna happen And so if you're focused on the structure, you haven't even thought about dialogue yet Or like character arcs.  Like how do we do this? I don't know How about when they take Walker's field from that seat is so awkward.  It's like it's there's no witnesses. It's like dude.     He's not yeah, you don't get to be like, oh no, I've been alive longer than I've been I've existed in more decades than you so I have more experience like no shut up.     It's not about anything else, is it? Sorry, I'm sorry about your your friend the mission all the stuff we're doing We got people to follow places to go you have to give me the shield Like all someone's wishing they didn't give it up, huh? Yeah Too bad, bitch Yeah, you can't just take the shield away from captain america who it belongs to Oh It is kind of surprising that the movie doesn't seem to care about lemar either also because he's black You know, you would think based on everything else that happens in the movie or the show that they would care about him But they don't there is um, there's no Moment for lemar like other than the family crying, right? But that scene is only there to set up that walker wants to get carly.     We don't know that Yeah, I have he kills people.  There is a guy in the beginning of winter soldier that isn't looking forward, right? He's just looking away and cap kicks him in the back and he flings across the boat real fast meaning that his spine is in pieces Slams into the side of the boat and flips over the side. So this guy's probably not dead, but he's drowning Yeah, and he can't do anything to help himself And there was that time in age of ultra on where cap grabs a dude while he's on his motorcycle and drags him along the Ground for about five seconds before throwing him into his body Just again, this universe wants to pretend like there's never been blood on cap shield There's a lot of blood on that shield like oh, yes throws that field Oh, yes, agent in the back of his neck. He's probably got bits of his spine And like veins on that on that thing Well, this is that a lot of people have criticized in like civil wars Like he's like throwing the shield that people like super fast.  There's probably a few heads coming off Oh for sure, but no also cap is Also cap is used a gun in in in the past in the first in the first movie And just to be clear the reason why this is getting brought up is because for some reason this film this film this show is really weird about death We open the show with Falcon killing these dudes indiscriminately, but from then on No, there's like nobody wants to kill anybody. It's just skirmishers and punch outs It's really weird for a universe that has consistently not really cared about killing goombas What's weird? It's never really cared, which is like it's fine because they're bad guys Well, I was going to say what's weird event in some ways. I think it just directly connects And rags, I'm sure you you definitely noticed this point it out. Where are the guns? Nobody has any guns. Yeah Guns just aren't around often. They're around when there are space dogs Well, uh, because someone's probably gonna and someone in this cast might be like, well Whoa, they're there are scenes where they use guns like there are but there are loads of scenes where they don't use guns for no reason at all When guns are used, they're often used in an incredibly dumb way that makes no sense And then the gun's just gone after that and we don't it's just it's just on People don't carry guns with them and use them to shoot people Punch people if you have a gun that really easy to kill just shoot them in the head There's a there's a gun shootout By the storage containers and when it happened I was like, oh right guns exist.   I forgot Falcon has guns. He does And if you'll know red wing has like a machine gun on him Do you remember when um, when at one point walker is like, uh, why is it always knives with these guys?  You have a gun. It's right there.  Guns are really good against knives actually knives, yeah Well as we learn guns are primitive not like our spears So I want to this is one of the ones we haven't gone over yet actually as an example of what cap cap does So you guys remember civil war. It's a pretty cool movie It's time to see if he throws a shield bounce bounce hits this guy in the neck And he does like a mortal combat sort of low health bar move.   He's out You could probably push him over with a pinky finger This is what cap decides to do with with a combatant. That's probably done So kick him so hard. He flings across the room and slams into that table. That guy's probably dead Uh, by the way, I want to make it well van getting compressed didn't do it. Yeah Um, I want to make it clear. I have no problem with a person doing this in What is the heat of the battle with the concerns that this person could kill them?  You might want to do more just in case like, I don't know Could get up could for example throw a stone pillar at you in an attempt to kill you or something while you're chasing them Don't know instead of surrendering. Yeah So, oh, sorry about a minute off to keep restraining you so that collie could stab you in the heart Yes, there's so many and this is the thing that we're fringing brought up right at the beginning It's less about what the direction and the music is telling you look at what happens Look at the actual things that happen As if there's no music what we see is that john walker just saw his best friend get punched so hard That his organs turn to jelly Um, he's naturally pretty upset about this jumps out the window and sees the guy who not a minute prior was restraining him so that collie could kill him And had he not done that lamar wouldn't have had to tackle collie and he would have been punched So this dude says it wasn't me, but that I don't care.     I uh, I wanted to be in the scene where walker said he killed lamar and then bucky said no, he didn't which by the way A technicality in terms of like a truth if I were in the scene I'd be like no, you're right bucky. They killed lamar. They as a team killed lamar Like it's all their faults for for many many reasons. Um So so do you agree with that? I just want bucky to a smug be like Well, not technically it was Harley didn't mean to do it. She didn't know him. Yeah, she didn't mean to you gotta you gotta appreciate that She meant to burn to death the innocent hostages.  Why did she pump so hard reason? I'm firing like my hair. She didn't have a reason. He didn't matter. She doesn't kill people who don't matter Which is a really smart thing to say to a man Imagine uh They're like you need to you to calm down you're killing people and then uh, Walker is like, don't you ever want to ask me why why I would do something like that? They killed lamar. I have a good reason Don't you think I have a point? Don't you think you should talk to me not take my shield?  Yes, which is unacceptable.     What do you think you're going to achieve? I already want to kill people who matter. It's like what?  Like I it's you know, it happened. I didn't I didn't want to kill I didn't mean to just as simple as that But she means to stab him Well, that would be our conversation. We'd be like, what do you mean? She's totally on board with major and stuff But it's she didn't say that she said I don't mean to kill people who don't matter Funny like literally one minute before all this happened The dude was holding him there so that carly could stab him and they're like nah, you crossed the line, buddy You even ask me for one more everyone's like, oh punching people sometimes kills them. It's like I I didn't realize that I just wanted to what inconvenience him hurt him enough to where he wouldn't follow me anymore Yeah, like what were you doing sent you achieve your goal and again, he doesn't matter. So who cares, right? Yes, um, john walker in this whole show Tries his hardest. He really does. It should have been his season.  They don't even try Yeah, remember if you remember how the scene plays out after john saved their lives After he saved their lives, um, I don't know.  You're not captain america.  It's like, yeah three times.   It was especially frustrating because bucky watched his um But like like his introduction and he explicitly says like cap was all about You know, like strength courage and defending people and he inspired me and I wish I could like even come close to just doing what he did like Dude, what else do you need?  I don't understand and then again, it's right at the end of the show after they keep Rebuff it like they keep just kicking him in the nuts.  That scene is so transparent with what they're trying to do.  You go? No, you can't burn my play style And then you just get bum bum And it works on so many people It works on it's so easy people are so easy to manipulate Again, like Mola mentioned the Dormalage throw a spear at him and if he hadn't dodged it I guess captain America would have a spear through his neck in latvia From Wakanda. I'm sure that's not going to cause any geopolitical issues at all. Yeah, I'm sure this will go over great On a mission. Oh, we have jurisdiction wherever we are. It's like, oh, I'm sure latvian citizens feel very comfortable that you Spears of people Also the the Wakandan, you know female soldiers They want Zemo out of there because they don't trust him and so does he so they're kind of on the same side And they're fighting anyway. That might require them to listen to him the five seconds hand on the shoulder That's He put a hand on their shoulder.  They are really people are white saying there's no respect from a Wakandan queen I like the idea when people on twitter like see this is american imperialism You have no jurisdiction. It's like I'm light be as part of like nato Sure, he does but I guess not right the borders of all.  I'm like why why the raft I thought you guys wanted to take For where like you put like super dangerous soldiers in or like I mean the super villains essentially so that they're hidden It's like why why Zemo Zemo's not like that much of a threat physically and I don't know that it's a we need him in the highest secure. It's like well No, it's just a jurisdiction thing again like germany won him because he committed a bunch of his crimes in germany That's why they have him you could he's committed crimes in a lot of places He could go to multiple places But it was just like we're taking him to the rafts like but why and then one of the door of melange in the background It's like it's food the next movie. He's gonna be in. All right, let's go It's like Chela was the one who put him in the pregnant in germany which raises questions about what they're doing so confusing But hey, well that's possible. We'll building flutes So I was talking about how like bucky just gets summed up in this episode super awkward date He has with a person who's not a person. Um, she is just a plot device.   Yeah Yeah, it's not They had already laid on the exposition thick with when he was at lunch with the old japanese guy like he He had had like this piece here like he had this vietnam flashback like oh my son like these red bean thingies and then And then like it keeps going now. He keeps it. Oh, he was a ambassador at this thingy thing And he was at school and then he got shot by a very mysterious long-haired man with a metal arm That was weird So this is the thing about um, yeah This is the thing about ideas versus the executioner if I told you in a call. I have an idea walk Wind soldier or the bucky's gonna find the families of those people that he killed that were absolutely instant Try and hang out with them for a bit get to know them and then explain the situation and apologize that any of it happened Like oh, that's kind of cool idea.  Yeah, that's one way to tell us. Do you know what was really sad about it? Is I don't know how he died. I'd like to know how he died sad Okay I feel like all you did was you had an idea and then you just showed me your idea I didn't even see a story. I just sold your idea.       This this is your field of view. I've got it on the stream now This is really this is an artist work So all of this has to be covered at least by the human, you know, right? So what would we do with our remaining space? It's like, well, this will be the shrine and this will be the image You're like, good job guys.  Sorry he interrupted me. I was crying about my son It was really sad. Also. I was playing sad piano music. Um, or like I've got on the stereo.  Yeah, it's it's me. My son's dead. I mean, it's me You know, I think the worst part is not knowing how he died. Anyway, what's up with you bucky Knowing how he died that would be closure.  How are you?  It's like, I don't think you If you're not really hearing what our criticism is, I don't think we can do much else It's just incredibly overt and talentless to be able to do it this way Um, and they have to do it this way because we don't get any more bucky now until episode five. So Um, yeah, it's it's all front loaded and it's very just standard. Like yeah, he has PTSD killed some people This guy is somebody affected. Maybe he'll talk to him about it someday Pretty sure we were like, yeah last episode, you'll probably come back to Nakajima and be like, hey Sorry, and it was even worse than I expected. They had to walk it in and they made it even quicker What a shame um Then so that's all the bucky stuff done. I'll go to the flag smashes after after we we talk about the bank The famous bank scene, right? Everybody's everyone's talking about this It's like everyone loves the boat and sam's sister so cool Sam's sister is a twat.    Like why would you say this like this to this man? It's absolutely bizarre. She's just like yeah, well our family we did this like you boat you made food Get over it like jesus christ Like oh, you didn't have enough money to make ends meet It's like what is he here doing right now trying to help you like can you please accept that?  Yeah, oh, yeah, you're fighting interdimensional space aliens and saving the world. Yeah, well our boat doesn't work Yeah, we can't even sell it.  I'll trust yeah all the all the banks are racist and they won't give us a loan And so there are theories, right? There's two ways to assault this as a huge issue But it depends on how you view the season I think there's there's the actual way and then there's a way that people try to invent to make it sound better So the way they try and say it to sound better is that no, of course falcon has money She just doesn't want to take his money. She wants to get the loan herself and she can't falcons like rich and stuff It's fine. It's like no the guy says wait doesn't stock pay you and he's like it doesn't work like that So why would they say that if the loan was specifically just for her and we should remember the loan He says, um, you haven't had any earnings for the past five years and then she's like Well, how would someone have earnings when they've disappeared? Um, and if that's in reference to just here Well, wait, no, she's been around have she was she ported out or no, I can't remember She was around but her husband. I think her husband.   I don't know Well, either way, uh, this isn't a problem you can have show. I am sorry Falcons too rich.  I read for uh, like it's entertainment weekly review for this show. They said well He should be loaded Because like military contractors like regular ones make bank like on average.  So the contracts that is one two savings. He would have had a bank to begin with he didn't just respawn with zero dollars That's not how that works Third uh, tony would have given him money and support and he's got a direct line to pepper pots So yeah, that's another source fourth the youtube idea. Absolutely. He would just make a channel make some videos going Again people find it so amusing. It's like imagine he sold it as I'm gonna talk about I'm gonna vlog while gaming even about my time with cap The literally like the world's most famous hero the most beloved hero ever wouldn't you guys watch that?  What did you guys joke about?   And this is this is the prime example of I have a story to tell and i'm going to tell you like you can't because of all these things are in this world It's like I don't care. I'm telling it and you're like, okay, but if you do this you damage everything. It's like, I don't care Okay, that's the will we're in Everybody is whatever they need to be at the time because you have a goal and this goal is it's family of poor they need help and It's it's going to relate widely to the different problems the different income inequalities and how these are the people that need They need to be taken care of and the the GRC missed them Which by the way If you're the GRC you know the global resource management There are people in the world who aren't getting any food or water.  Yes, I can make money But I feel like I could use more and the GRC are like, oh Well, there are people who are literally dying right now people who are moving across countries trying to get back to where they belong Or yeah, but their boats work. Oh, gosh.  It's so bizarre to watch on the second time through The problem as stated is they do not have the money To be able to fix the boat to be able to sell the boat Slash have the money to simply just go on otherwise they're gonna lose the house. That is the big That's where the stakes are okay Which i'm okay with by the way more stake stuff But it doesn't really work with falcon. Anyway Where are they gonna get this money from?  It's like, yeah It's like, what have we called everybody to fix the boat and then they do Now That was pretty dissatisfying for a lot of people. I saw a lot of complaints about that I was like, what they just had to call neighbors that was the end of the problem It's like, ah, but it's on the theme. You see we have to work together for each other. It's like, no, but it just doesn't It just feels so like oh We're all in this together painting family boats because the bank hate blacks So They don't address the problem though, which is they don't have money It wasn't that the boat needed fixing it was the boat needed fixing so they could potentially sell it They just skip over that part of the season. They're like, well, we fix the boat and then they don't sell it, right? They don't yeah They keep the boat because it's a part of their legacy. No money The problem was that they were at risk He says like I'm invested in this because the house is about to be sold because they can't keep everything running And of course he loves the house. That's his parents. That's where he grew up. You're like, okay, I understand that And so at the end of the film well the the story line is like well the boat's fixed It's like that doesn't address the problem. Like what are you guys talking about? You don't have any money. I thought that was the point that it's just like I picture people out there being like Well, he has money now because They're like no no No, no that never happened.  You know what they did?  Um, maybe with bucky's help with his arm And around like to breaks it off with like You're most funny every time falcon shows up for a mission.  He's like, yeah, yeah, it's always been like this Again, the boys is a more realistic version of what the mcu should actually be doing even though it's supposed to just make fun of all of this Right, you would have a business guy turn up and be like mr. Uh, mr. Fowler, mr.   You're like, okay You say so um Yeah, really hard to believe because he simply wouldn't be poor is kind of where we're going with that um Which leaves us with the uh the flag smashes plant line Again, nothing works in this show unfortunately, so the way it begins Is uh falcons friend like literally he is the only person in the government that apparently like gets an eye on this Shit himself.  Why would he what? It's so strange Like I can't even think of a reason why falcon would want that It's like you don't want the government to know there might be super soldiers running around doing super soldiery things why After they just hurt your friend Yeah, that made me think that he was shady. I thought that's that's what was gonna how it was going to end up He was one of the flag smashers Oh, I thought you meant falcon No, I mean, I mean the latino dude the friend calling the black guy shady.  I don't really care about this this closing the distance again This is like isn't me just stuff. They're stealing things and then Yeah, the friend is just like it's confirmed flag smashes are Clearly juiced up on something And so when you get to the next episode falcon wants to go inspect this himself and I have no idea why I just got nothing Someone's really got him into this I guess because his friend was involved.  They say one of the big three which is not a Androids aliens and wizards, which doesn't make sense considering how many people you fought are not andro You've only fought robots once So I don't know why they'd be the big three Aliens. Yeah, okay wizards. It's like how many wizards have you fought? How many wizards have you fought? Well, the problem is right when he says yeah, but he's an alien So what so is he vote which one is he an alien first or a wizard? I feel like he's an alien first then a wizard. Wow damn In terms of you know, it just in terms of categorization. All right, it just makes it easier I think someone's profession is more important than their race ringy. Okay. I feel like Yeah, apparently not apparently wizarding You seem as an alien first in a wizard second I'm going so if you said we got to fight one of the big three and you said humans and wizards Are you not a human before you're a wizard? I No, I see. Yeah. No, I said no. You had it and you don't I said no No, I said I don't care that you said no, it's not a valid Well, then you haven't got a gotcha. Do you you just you just fought in the wind now What do you mean fought in the wind?  Who cares? I can't smell it.  Yeah, which are you first a wizard?  That's okay. We all know who won this debate. No bullshit You're arguing full so Yeah, that that's that and the the reason I bring this up is because if the government knew it changes everything Simple as that Absolutely the whole well, you will the government's involvement in the plot Is a really weird issue that persists for the entirety of the show Oh, and you know, there's gotta be someone out there who's listened to this without having seen the show and trying to follow a Storyline they might be like Hey, what do you mean? How is falcon operating on missions without the government? How does that work? Wait, hold on. I got a counter to your wizard shit It took me a while, but I got it. I thought you won. I thought you'd won already. I have one, but I'm extra one now The reason why remember remember it was sam who said it I'm talking about whether or not that's something sam would say and what he means when he says that And as has been established sam is a bad person maybe so Yeah, you got me sam is a bad person. That's right Um, what was I even saying?  How does that work? It's like well as bucky and falcon describe it. They are free agents What does that mean? Especially with one division mentioning it once I thought the accords were a thing.  How like how is this possible? How is actually after a big zemo out of jail? I remember when that happened. I'm like, oh, so they're fugitives now So they're gonna be gone for that the show destroys itself before we get to the part where it obliterates itself. Okay There's a lot of worse things to come That's the thing I would say the first episode was probably the best and then it just tanks But the first episode was not very good Like a second episode is just shit Because yeah from what we've covered. It's like there's a lot of problems, but at the same time it's like It's it's sludge. It's very very sludgy probably Um, yeah, so before we move to episode two actually the only thing left is they introduce walker He is the new captain america, which makes complete sense the government would probably want music Yeah Oh, what have they done? They gave someone else the shield It's like So, bro, by the way, 10 minutes ago um Apparently brown table tweeted 10 minutes ago that that tweet is fake Definitely if it is uh, that's what he says Yeah, I hope it's good. I hope it's fake. Yeah But here let me uh, let me pull it up for y'all here And if so that's quite good. I'm god. It's fake Well, I mean it should say something that um That's why it surprised me. Yeah, because we all didn't think it would be from him. So that's good Yeah, which makes total sense. Yeah, he's he's not right, but he doesn't seem that malicious, you know He said if it was real he said if it was real mola would have replied It's like he's very right But the thing is I just assumed it didn't get to me before he deleted it or something Yeah, that's what I was thinking There's already a lot of retweets and upvotes for it. So wouldn't didn't people yada yada if you're assuming it is real I don't think well I guess it's weird that something like this would only now get to our attention with that amount of traction and that amount of retweeting So you know Is there like a paper trail we can follow as to like who He says that it's fake that he never said that it doesn't seem like something he'd write Not to mention there is a bonus he gets as well say for example He did actually write it and it was proven at least he's now already basically said that he doesn't agree with the sentiment You know, that's a plus. Yeah That's pretty solid in all honesty like just to see that and then like yeah, dude. I I don't mean this so it's like Good on your brown table I'm gonna retweet him saying it as well because I want to make sure we get that out As much as like I said, that's probably why I introduce it first It's like a um talk about the sentiment first and then talk about how whether or not brown table saying it kind of sucks But I don't think he did Uh, according to this that's good Oh Left a tweet on there as well. I want him to know that I appreciate that good stuff Anyway, this dreaded shot Here we are putting it up So this is even from the way they did this, uh, I think Fringy rags and I were like, oh boy, he's gonna be the bad guy. Yeah, we knew that he danger danger Yeah Looking at him and it's just like this dark moment.   Did you not think they would replace this? So useful vibranium is so useful you can't just leave it in a museum Um, right just want to mention someone said you were very quick to forgive there It's like yeah, because I believe him.  I'll be like, well, that's all quid like Yes, uh, there is no well, they wouldn't show very confused I would say by the way, there's nothing to forgive if he actually didn't put out the tweet Wouldn't need to forgive anything There's no reason to But yeah, uh anyway Because I just want to make sure it's clear because obviously the the beginning of this efep would still make people believe he did send it and so as long as they got this far Maybe I'll put it in the top of the description. I guess hopefully people read things Mm-hmm. Um, but I was careful to say we didn't know it was from him for sure because uh Yeah, the point I'm trying to make here is I don't want any damage going to brown table or something he didn't say Yeah, I mean, yeah, everyone guessed it wrong because we assumed it wasn't him It'd be like it doesn't sound like something that he'd say so, yeah Um, and and again the part where he said anyone who watches it is racist That's like I just don't think you would say that I don't think anybody would it's a little bit of a weird thing to say right? Definitely odd So walk is evil. Um By virtue of existing definitely And then next episode it's like wow three metal levano. Wow. It's crazy. Oh, uh I've seen some people I was like Drinkers told me he is on the way because as lately as minutes ago. He's on the way. So Don't worry.  Like I said None of us recommend the show anyway, but like if If you had to watch one episode, I guess it would be the first one Yeah It's the least depressing Maybe it destroys the lead Pose like the characters are relatively intact at the end of it.  Yeah, he can't just take it whatever he wants I mean, it doesn't really belong to him does it Even archer had jokes about the fact that like archer couldn't just get whatever weapons he wanted There was an armory that he had to visit and he had to get clearance and archer is a show that's like a parody Imagine being worse at world building than a show that's parodying other content. It's funny So, yeah, uh, that all happens and that would be bad enough But how do we get falcon and winter soldier to fight together? You know, we got to get that happen and how are we getting that happening? It's like well bucky decides To go to him that day and be like, hey, you shouldn't have given up the shield He phoned ahead Hey, I have no idea Whoever sam works for it is like, hey like where is he? He's like he's a free agent. He can do anything he wants It's so lame bucky goes on this entire mission just because he happened to show up like one minute before falcon left And he was like, yeah, I'll come I guess Does the psychiatrist not have any feeling that this like is he allowed to do that? Well, you see when you when you're dealing with a potential psychotic who might kill people and is trying to talk down to Talk down about like like all of his issues and stuff Can he go on a mission to go and attack a bunch of super soldiers in the we're at munich? It's like, yeah I guess so I feel like there's supposed to be a lot of build up uh for the meeting again because like She made like the the shrink made such a big deal about him not connecting with people He hadn't called sam So I thought it'd be like at least until episode three is when they start hooking up again and working together But like no, he just shows up at this random bunker. It's like sam.  There's no time to Yeah, because as we see with wonder vision you're penalized by the audience if you spend a lot of time trying to build up something The high the best shows in that show the lowest rated show episodes And the highest rated ones are like the finale in episode eight and again penalized for doing this The finale of wonder vision is like the worst piece of mcu content. It exists. It just destroys everything Not that winter soldier didn't try the show. I mean You gotta try it very hard Even I think after when he just walks on to the scene it is like I think falcon is like nice to see you too. It's like, yeah, that's how we feel.  Why is this happening?  What about wizards wizards are sorcerers with hats How do you know that I've read the hobbit when it came out t he Uh, I saw somebody somebody somebody mentioned by the way that are apparently in 1937 They're only about 5 000 issues of the hobbit printed. So I guess bucky Got one of those 5 000 copies big into talking. Whoa Oh, yeah, big into talking before it was even a thing to be big into talking Yeah, let the writers have they win. Okay. He's he's from back then.  Which by the way later on walker mentions like oh Is it part of the one of the big three and super soldiers like they mention it as a fourth category? He's like, how is that not one of the main that's the main thing you fight They're like from other countries And again not the one of the three because they barely even you fought ultron. That's it. Yeah Unless they count iron man Again from sam's from sam's bigoted perspective the only wizard they fought is dr. Strange and they haven't fought him No, yeah, well does scarlet witch count? She's not a wizard.  I don't why would you have that impression? I'm I think Conversation, let's get to the show god damn it I'm freaking continue No All right, I I don't know where I got that from but I'm pretty sure that I'm right about that So I'm not the I think that the the differences in terminology are essentially just different flavors of an extremely similar Thing they're all magic users It's just we just separate them by like made the gender like witch and warlock or no I'm sorry of magic Bucky Bucky was right when he said that Dr. Strange is a sorcerer and not a wizard What's the difference between the two? All right, hold on He had to stretch to google Because I mean as far as I know A wizard and a sorcerer Like because I've always I've always seen them. I've always well, I'm fine. I've always Heard them be used interchangeably So it says that a wizard is a practitioner of magic Um How is this happening? It was like the specific practice rather than just like the magic or like your gender, right? The only time I've heard them differentiated is talking about like classes in d&d Like otherwise they're not all of us play d&d. So there are definitions beyond d&d Well, he said well, that's the only one that I've heard and you don't have to play d&d to have that be the only thing you've heard Okay, that's just the only time. I've I've seen them be Differentiated in a meaningful way. Hold on. Hold on. I'm just doing my research Because I I I'm just going by what my understanding is of these these terms. All right, let's see wizard versus sorcerer A wizard is born an ordinary mortal Learned magic and spells from books A sorcerer is born a sorcerer, but needs to learn spells possibly of a certain type from a master That's one answer. So it says where's that from I've never heard that before So this one's from something called english.stackexchange.com Stack exchange stacks of stacks of magic scrolls Uh now a power. Oh, oh here we go. So there's a sorcerer more powerful than a wizard d&d So you're like this one A sorcerer is a bit more versatile in their casting because they can use any spell that they know without having to prepare an advance the meta magic also gives a bit more control over exactly how they use given spells in contrast A wizard has more total spells. They can have access to if they can prepare those spells in advance Uh, in addition to such a wizard gets more potent spells because they can specialize in particular schools And because of illusory reality at level 14 if you go down the illusion path Oh, yeah, of course, of course. Yeah So it's a can't believe rags who plays dnd is that uneducated about dnd. What did I say that's uneducated about dnd? I'm right They they are they are different things in dnd. That's what I said I've said the only place that I have heard the two Differentiated has been in dnd because they're different classes Here's the most important part. The most important part is you witch and and warlock are absolutely different from like Wizards, which is something that I said earlier. Are they absolutely different? All right, witch versus wizard You didn't even know You said so confidently and now you're you're looking it up to jack I need I need I need the evidence to support my position. All right Because I I always assume that the the point that's being that the important point is that they're all users of magic So this is so differentiating between a sorcerer and a wizard doesn't actually have any meaningful difference Of which practices witchcraft whereas a wizard practices wizard craft Okay. Well, I okay. I see where this is going this. Thanks. Thanks Oh, this is getting confusing now because it says wizard usually not always Refers to a male while witch can refer to any gender. I thought that I thought it was you know in the same way a lot of sheep And so like there's the ram and whatever the woman sheep is is just cheap Right, isn't isn't you or is that right? You're right. Actually. Yeah. No, I think a no a lamb is a lamb A lamb is a lamb are you?  I'm glad we got we got somewhere good. This was this was very good Yeah, so this makes sense. I'm glad I was right Guys, I keep it stocked up good in the winter soldier now. It's like far more general to 101. It's great Hey, hey trigger. Is there a difference between a witch and a wizard?  I mean, this is based on my pretty limited knowledge of witchcraft All right. All right. What about that? Is there a difference between like a wizard and like a sorcerer? Well, yeah, I'll do you agree with Yeah, exactly because well, no when he said obviously he was being sarcastic No, because he agrees that Sam was being really prejudiced and biased when he said that It's not right to say that a sorcerer is just a wizard without a hat. That's not I'm fine I'm fine. I won't lose a wink of sleep if I call a wizard a sorcerer Okay, maybe you won't but I just fear the example Huh What about the people I'm not talking about like I'm not talking about their race or anything. All right Maybe that's as important to them for them. That's what this Shows more important because it's no not the race. No, no, no, I didn't say the rice I said the the wizard the witchcraft or whichever one you are whatever you so wouldn't that help my point How would it help your point? I don't even know what you just said. Yeah, exactly sit out No, it doesn't matter because I don't I don't see people like that fringy I'm past that I'm saying that you do though. That's the point. I'm making based on what they're all that No, no, they're all the same to me. They're all let's think they're all the same to me We should all strive to be magic blind here. Yeah, I'm magic blind. Yeah, they're all wizards or sorcerers. It's fine But but you need to understand that there is deep history to each of these terms. Oh, yeah These terms are very loaded historically with the the the oppression that witches have had to go through Is different than the oppression that wizards are having to go through. That's probably Yeah, well, no because that's real. That's just oppression against people that those people didn't like Unless we're talking about oh Oh wait in so in the mcu We're like this are the witches unlike the Salem witch trials and stuff where they actually witches. Yes They're witches and dr. Strange is a sorcerer Sure Yeah, so it's almost like in the context of the mcu. They're not the same. No, if you want to dr. Strange Oh, they're they're basically the same. They're basically the same but i'm fine with you being even more specific Skull at which was born with hex probabilities dr. Strange had to learn how to be a wizard. That's fine That's fine. They both are indistinguishable in practice But i'm fine with you being extra specific. Do you think that they're in do you think that they they can't be distinguished? Do you actually think that? No Well, I mean you could tell like one's green and one's red, but in the sense that they are both people who use magical abilities Braggs, they all look the same to me man. They all look the same to me I know drinker and I we're on the same page here. I mean we know Doesn't cast hex probabilities that stop bombs from exploding and he had to learn how to become cool Which I feel like there could be a spell I feel like we could have a spell about Disarming disarm bomb spell. I guess we'll find out and dr. Strange in the multiverse of madness when they delve into this in More detail and it doesn't destroy the world building. I'm sure it'll be great I think that was sort of uh like part of one of my issues with dr. Strange was that I feel like magic can do Anything that it needs to do. It's very It creates a lot of plot issues because it doesn't seem to have a lot of structure or rules to it It's uh, it's kind of a shame because dr. Strange is actually I really like dr. Strange the character I just want to see more of him reading books and learning stuff and going on adventures I agree. So anyway, drinker. What do you think? Back to D&D All of us gave a big blurb at the beginning, right? So if you want to you want to take your your time to say I know you put a video out But you know what what if someone didn't see it where if they were they were on the road They haven't caught it yet. What do you think of this show like overall and feel free to be 100 honest I I think it was fantastic and like I didn't want it to end Like I could have seen 60 episodes of this shit And I think we need to start more important conversations as a result of this show Uh, no on a serious note though.  So awesome there. Um, oh, they have speed. Yeah, I learned important lessons that racism is wrong So, yeah, thanks. Well, can I was right until I watched the show Yes, I thought it was a good idea. Yeah, and then it's like no, it's not. It's a bad idea Yeah, this fixed me.  I mean not all black superheroes look the same But I see what you're saying It's the same color scheme though. Even the glassies and everything now.  Like that's what you wear when you go into battle It's not what you wear when you're intel gathering and you're just walking every minute is battle for justice That gets especially weird If you're if you're just going around like uh, lithuania when he's trying to like find out what their next Like target is going to be you kind of want to be inconspicuous You don't want to be there as captain america Well, they have one because he wasn't wearing it on the scene where he talked to lemar Yeah, one scene with a they're out of costume in like a cafe or something and they talked it's like oh my god Look normal clothes Wait, what about the scene where they're discussing their plan in public and a bunch of people around? Remember that that was a good time Which uh, which one is that remind me when they're talking about the plan to go to the funeral And oh, yeah Yeah, they're just discussing the plan. Yes.  Yay She's got a really bad word choice for things as well when She has a burn out on a cab and all that Well, it's like when walker confronts her and it's like oh, this is you know over killing lamar and it's like Okay, this is your chance to explain yourself and she's like, oh, I'm sorry.  Okay, but what if like I'm making a difference? Yeah Do you like how um when he's talking to her she says something that's just like overtly horrible Like she always does that she's like wait a minute. You're making me sound bad You tricked me How could you have done this You have done that worse Why do they have to give her a british accent? I don't be responsible for her like go away It's one of those it's one of those really shit british accents as well that just comes across as really fake Are super standard like like yeah, like it's not from anywhere in britain It's just the generic kind of accent that could be anything That just sounds vaguely british from you know from anyone else's point of view So, um, it's weird to catch you up drink, right? Because of course, we're almost at the three hour mark So naturally we just started talking about episode two. Um, I figured as much. Yeah We're on I'm pushing us along to uh the the highway scene It is the scene that I was basically done with the show in terms of um being like this could be good You know the chances get slimmer and slimmer and once the highway seems over I was like, oh, we're done That's it now. It's great. Is this where they've been to visit? I see her and no no before I almost got arrested. Yeah, okay when they they're following the trucks and they're trying to um, yeah, yeah So I think the as I have seen is in the second half of this episode. Yeah So overall that why did they why did they even let them escape in the truck rather than stop them right there? Like it seemed unnecessary I'm like you would imagine you'd follow them and it'd be better to wait until like they're unloading It's like mr. Mr. Monroe. I have so many questions before that Like so they arrive And like this is what I mean about just telling me stuff about characters, right? I'm gonna pause right here because it's important.  He's following him and falcon even would have here because he's got the earpiece So he knows that he's gonna now jump out Um, I don't even know how to assault this first. Let's just talk logistically.   Like gotta be careful I mean, we know I don't know dude.  Like he's not he's not like stab proof yeah, um So that that on its own that was really weird. Um falcon can carry people really easily with his suit Like easily just just grab him with him.   It's like dude So you left him without a parachute. Are you kidding me?   He could just hold on to his leg and he could lower you down Well, yeah, that was the first problem.  I don't know what to make of it.   I feel like that could kill you You're leading to that leading to one of the characters jumping out of a plane. It's moving at speed I think that's pretty big if there's a lot of problems that don't make sense surrounding that No, it's hilarious because he falls and then falcon laughs at him Yeah, well, yeah, he properly he properly lands hard and he's like clearly in pain When when falcon finds him.   We got to watch out for him. Hopefully we can stop him Um, it comes clear that he's the villain by the opening of episode four. No, it's a five It comes to the villain when he's the main character This is very obvious.  I'm like, okay I could probably just hit him with a pan distract him with a flat Yeah, after watching winter soldier, which is worse than far from home. You do get that impression Yeah, yeah, it is worse.  But anyway, let's move on But anyway, enough being right carry on So There's uh, there's this idea of like, what do we what do we do next and then falcon's like silly bucky? Let's wait an extra second and then suddenly there's all these other people and he's like see And then bucky says something really weird. He goes Yeah, whatever whatever. Okay, this suit this they got super strength. Whatever What? I don't understand what's going on. It's like, who is this character that you know that they're trying to do buddy cop And they've just they've decided that falcon is the straight man and the bucky's the wild card Like he's not the wild card That's not his thing. It should be the other way. He should this is his element He this is what he does more better than anything else that he does I think there might be no one alive who could do this better than him He might be the best in the world at this But I mean Throughout this whole show. They kind of want to do that whole body Like that line where they say I I went left like you should have gone left Um, and then he says well, it's in every action movie that you're meant to follow me It's like you're in the military my dude Like why are you referencing action movies for what you should be doing in a war? They could be killed the film should have been bucky as the straight man where he is super focused and on task And he is god forbid. I know you're not allowed to do this But he is teaching falcon a lot of stuff about this because if you had this for a job You have this wealth of information Right here in the form of the winter soldier who's now on your team And he could tell you all these incredible amazing tricks and tips and Cool thing in life hacks for super secret spy work and espionage and hello my friends. I'm fps winter soldier Today we're gonna blow up a pretty big youtube channel Yeah, he could yeah, he he could Well, they maintained that that persona for the winter soldier in um In civil war where he's he started to acclimatize a bit more to like dealing with other people But he's still got the the experience and the the combat potential of being the winter soldier Uh, whereas in this one that they've it's like they've just taken the bucky from the first captain america movie and just transplanted him in like his persona Uh, and so yeah, he's trying to crack jokes and he's laughing with people and he's making all these goofy comments And yeah, it's just it doesn't work for him This falcon was in the air force, right? Yes So yeah somewhat different of a branch than yeah, I feel like a peritrooper And what you know the winter soldier is different Different things they have a lot to teach each other and a lot to learn and stuff like that, but I do think an element of it was we can't have bucky the white guy Being superior in situations to the black guy. I I don't think that was something that they could have Done or wanted to do Well considering who wrote it. Yeah, you don't even need to like you don't What you write you have winter soldiers sort of knowledge in his brain And he assaults every single position with the knowledge of I have guns my arm and everything I know about that and then you know, you can have moments where falcon is like Wait, well, I have wings so that changes a lot of what we understand about this situation Like I can fly a different play, you know And every once in a while you might come up with like different ideas for how to Address sitting sitting things that winter soldier didn't quite come up with because it's just not somethi