Hello and welcome to EFAP super chat catch up EFAP mini flim flim flam flam the drinker wire mess episode I forget which number it'll be in the title beautiful. I Figure we'll just jump right into it plenty of messages That's to start now rather than later. I suppose the first one is thoughts on Mulholland Drive I don't know what that is. I haven't seen it in a long time, but I remember thinking it was pretty good So that's why I go Well, there you go If I'm correct, I forget the other girls name, but 90 watts isn't it? When did it come out? 2001 Good times. Yeah, it's a David Lynch movie a classic. I'm sure Impossible this must be a fake FAP on a Friday.  I don't think I don't know what news but no matter what news there would be I'd be anxious about a season 2 Anyway, as I am with anything. I'm interested. Yeah want to be good You know because I want good endings interesting endings for all the different characters We've come to meet that who knows what will happen What if the studio are like you need some more baiter in there lightsabers we need less bricks In fact for every light like you're allowed five bricks per lightsaber.  I'm gay actor Michael Douglas. Oh, wow really wants that Jaws e FAP. Who knows maybe one day Maybe go to have a shark Why not it would make sense The name is perfect XQC sounds like he's blitzed on amphetamines Maybe he is You know everyone is free to do that if they wish I suppose Muller you see the XQC Ethan meme vid on discord. I tagged you it's rather funny if I say so myself I may have I may not have I'm not sure since this was a bit ago, you know I think a 100% playthrough of Kirby 64 would be a fun weekly stream fringolius Kerbongolosis of neofleam mortis Kristallis Shardinja down on this Hi, I guess they want you to do it. I can't really make sense of that. I gotta say they want to play Kirby Oh, well, I played well, I'm not I mean that's not gonna happen, but I did play a I did play um Good ol Kirby in the forgotten land. That was a fun game. There's good memes. Did he end up remembering the land by the end? Uh I don't think he forgot it. I don't think that's I don't I don't quite think that's what uh, that's what happened there Well, then I'm glad I guess Uh, I don't I don't think drinkers reviews are all perfect, but not all bad. So I'm curious how this will go Guess I'll hold off on crisping my critters fair enough Hi, I'm gay after michael douglas and I think it'll be good to follow wilford brimley's advice and start an oatmeal fund Sure Some people really like oatmeal I mean, I'm gonna be all right. Yeah, there you go So if you don't agree that the That fan base determines the quality of a franchise does that mean that the sequel trilogy is not bad by that logic? If you don't agree That fan base well fan bases don't determine the quality of a franchise. No, I don't terminate It is what it is.  Um Yeah, I mean fair enough, man I hope you get to play the chess wizard So, yeah You know, I hope you knock it out of the park bring you which is better the crash or spiro trilogy um Problem is you can't really ask me that because I'm biased in favor of crash like I think spiro is cool I like spiro, but um Yeah, crash is Crash is is my game That's uh, he's my lad. He's a good lad. Um, so I'd probably say the I'd just say crash, but that's because I like crash more than spiro. Spiro is cool though And that was a cool. That was a cool trilogy um In jaws right when michael comes in with a bloody cut on his hand brody gets the call about the shock attack Also, as he's being told about the attack on the phone michael asks ellen. Can I go swimming? Okay, I'm not sure what I'm supposed to do with all of that fair enough Episode 147 is the start of the react war episode 247 is xqc coincidence Who knows You know the earth, uh, this world of ours. It's crazy all kinds of things will happen Lord long bong of mueslington abbey Is there a good chance of a kong fap of peter jackson's long kong when there's less going on there'd be a movie fap for the ages Yeah, so oh wags these scritches for the good boy Thank you very much. Um, I mean I did play the long kong game and then I played a different long kong game Not for very long though. Uh, I assume it wouldn't be enough to sate your desires, but um I think it was called someone like skull island rise of kong or something Being lauded as possibly the worst game of the year in a year that golem came out so it's like 18 Is that what it's called? I thought I was like 1835 or something like kong 1835 No the I think it's called skull island Lord of kong rise of kong it's something it's like Lord of kong that makes me laugh now It just makes me think of lord of ring Oh Hi rags. Hello xqc is like mind cancer. He hits my ideas Damn That's that's terrible. I hope you made it, you know protect those ideas Two and a half hour video on efap.  I'm not leaving this seat for a week. Oh my Make sure you don't get sores or whatever. Okay Make sure to drink plenty of water They're a they're a scary thing So efap will never conclude its batwoman show, you know when we do I expect every person who's made that statement To send a message apologizing for being so wrong All right, just remember Because it'll happen. We finished other things. I finally streamed all of second. Oh, what did you say? The thing is it's it's awkward rags because it's okay if he cuts out because it all gets caught on his end But then I want to know what he like me I get it. It's just that, you know, it's it's flower. You can just repeat himself briefly briefly. I haven't been able to speak He could he could that's yeah, that's totally fine I said that I hope everybody who sends the messages that we don't or won't commit to finishing batwoman is gonna Apologize and pull back all their statements as soon as they see the last batwoman I don't even know. We've consistently released two per year. Okay by that metric. It's gonna come out relatively eventually All right, you get your batwoman. You'll get your batwoman Uh, why messes videos seem pretty tame when I saw it.  Hi bringy All right Stop being bald I'm not bald I'm big barned Love that oppenheimer ending was in robbit's head a potential for a Swayal where he may refuse to build the bomb rags bible verse of the day Um, I could take a look all right All right, give me a second here bible verse of the day I don't even know site bible verse Of the day. I'll just google that and see what happens. Oh trinity church.org pops up first with bible verse of the day But it's like no, why would you say bible verse of the day?  I'll go to bible verse of the day for maryon medical mission. There you go All right, it's not showing it to me. It wants me to sign up for daily devotions.   Well, there's not much you can get out of that one. It's just like they did some stuff. I agree. Oh, yeah Um Okay, anyway, sorry. I was I was just moving the page Uh, his review of arcane is fantastic. I don't know if that's referring to yms or drinker or both perhaps Because I know I think both of them have reviewed on a way. Why am I something you didn't you didn't you only watched the first two episodes of the season? So Must be talking about drinker. Not sure Um, ask why am I spot as opinions on godwall ragnarok?    Well, I guess not as a game I don't can't vouch for that myself, but like the music was stellar for it Good day mubishly raggington and fringo Good day. Hi Oh, hi there. Yeah How good or bad do you think inside out an incredible twos are? Incredibles two are and why? Um, I don't know about inside out. I haven't seen it Inside out is is like totally fine. It's it's a fine movie. It's okay Um, I remember that when it came out it was being heralded as like pixar's best movie since up Which is like, you know, I don't even know what that means their best sense. Well, well To yeah, but you gotta remember that the popular consensus is the up is one of their best movies Oh, it's definitely not. No, I don't think so. But you know, but but I I think up's better than inside out personally I think up's got more going for it Um, but yeah inside out is just like it's it's okay. It's fine. It's you know, pretty normal Incredibles two is awful Yeah, I hate it Terrible terrible sequel to one of the best films ever made. Yeah, Incredibles two sucks It's like it's a great example of like we don't know what to do It's a great example of undo everything that like the Incredibles did with the characters. Let's just revert everybody Let's just kind of ruin a bunch of stuff. Let's make the plot not really make much sense It's a great example of don't just don't do it. Don't do it. Quit Just do something else. That's what pixar used to be all about, right? Yeah, well, yeah, that's right. I think inside out was their next film by the way I think that's their next movie Um, oh, okay. Also. Have you seen sound of freedom? It's good. I have not I've not seen I haven't seen Um, because it's in almost every movie now You got us in all caps. I don't know what exactly they're referring to but sure Because it could be a couple things. I'm not sure My biggest takeaway from drinkers detractors is that they never watch his videos Yeah Does that shock you at all? it's like, uh, it's Something that I think destiny talked about one of his videos that um, he has a guest on that asks him. How is it possible that? Uh, the sort of picture someone paints of you in just like one adjacent community Is someone that I don't even recognize like whatsoever and then you just explain like yeah, there's plenty of people who are actively poised against Like the their interests are completely, uh, crossed over with his so it benefits them to like Do as much painting of like this devil person as possible And um, it all gets broken the second the audience is just check out one thing Instead of clips. There's always clips that'll get you Yeah, even though that wasn't people watching it. Yeah, they didn't those people weren't even watching it They were just showing the screenshot Yeah, they did just the screenshot of the thumbnails iced on it and the meta I remember when it was first happening one around and actually watched it a lot of people are like Oh, I actually watched him. Uh, this is reasonable and fun Yeah, it's totally normal and the thing is I remember thinking to myself like do you think we could actually just What are we gonna say for 11 hours about how much we hate women? That's so weird Not even I could talk about that for 11 hours.  So, uh, yeah, I mean it's it's a commonality Um, the curse that eFab has to go through is we actually do watch the videos That's like our whole thing we watch the person's videos and then we say wow Those aren't good or wow. Those are good or wow. That was fine We get all of them I unsub from drinker when within weeks of each other he moaned about hollywood we remakes then complained They don't make enough films like the mummy remake with brandon frazier fun isn't allowed You couldn't figure out What he's saying with those two statements What do you think's happening there? Do you think that he didn't realize that he's a hypocrite and that he wants remakes, but also doesn't want remakes or Do you think that he'd be absolutely fine with remakes if they were good? That could be it That'll be my assumption Mummy with brandon frazier is awesome Uh, the mummy with tom cruz is shite I've never seen that The thing is the brandon frazier one is a remake of like the hammer film, right the classic sort of horror There's even references to it in there In the same vein I've never seen the original so it'll be fun to check that out like the um, yeah I wouldn't mind though. There are there are plenty of things that could be remade and if done well would be awesome But these days the whole reason that we'd be against a remake is just because of how bad remakes are If you know, it's very very straightforward. I don't I don't see that as an inconsistency at all Um, I think drinker morphers to hollywood is stagnant and corporate being woke is a symptom of corporate stagnation Uh Shoe it's gonna be different for everybody depending on definitions No mohler. He said drinker creates content that appeals to people from an entertainment perspective He's talking about the audience not you I think I don't know how so many people had trouble with this including yms But what happened was uh yms says that drinker's channel and possibly drinker himself I didn't confirm that necessarily much more interested in film as entertainment than film as an art form And I took issue with that Significantly and then I said do you think that about us because obviously I'm trying to connect the Me and drinker slash us and drinker. We have a very similar pov on a lot of stuff Do you think that we are invested in art of the art of movies or the entertainment movies? And yms and several people were like he didn't say you It's like I didn't I didn't say he did say me. I'm asking if it would apply I don't know why so many people are troubled with that. I didn't think I had to like walk through step by step You know, I'm just curious if the standard would have applied as well But I also don't buy that drinker isn't invested in the art form. I think that's ridiculous As for the audience members, I mean, you know, there's gonna be people Who are only fans of film as entertainment or whatever and don't care at all about the art form Who are in loads of people's audiences who care about the art form, you know, it's a complete mixed bag You can get everybody everybody Every time I take a poo it's art What do you think ranks does that count? Nope, what if you do it with a lot of intention? Well, I think that's all my poos though Well, like I'm not intending to simply poo. I'm intending to create an image by smearing it onto a page of paper Oh, that's different. I thought you meant like contracting your anus and such No, I'm I want to express myself with my poops Yeah, you if you paint a picture using poo as the medium then yes, that is art Oh, there we go. Sweet Chat is building a cross for you. YMS. You've been judged to be cringe A lot of you felt he was very cringe. That is cringe Art is the qx quiz it Care of execution. It's no so subjective like so many people believe it is I'm not sure what word that was I don't know what any of that means honestly Oh art is the exquisite care of execution. I don't even agree with that No, exquisite care of it. No, it could be not exquisite at all. It could be haphazard and crap Yeah, I would say that art can be backs and paulic made art. It was just shitty I yeah, I think certain, you know things that are artistic could even be like subconscious I don't know what these like when it's so late and with these sorts of terms like exquisite care like I don't feel like you got to create any consistent I'm happy if you want to use like great works and stuff here sure, but like you can't This is something's really bad. You can't be like it's not art anymore. Like yeah, that's it's not how it works Drink has many reviews about older slash more obscure movies Not just current disney drivel anyone who says otherwise clearly hasn't watched his content agreed. Yeah, indeed This one says the message Dun dun dun Nostalgia critics indirectly reaffirms anti-western anti-capitalist viewpoints, but it's only a problem when a person's implied compliments swing the wrong way um I think that makes sense though, uh, if if you consider your values to be very much normal You might not even notice that they're being expressed Meanwhile, the ones we consider abnormal We would then almost consider propaganda in the form of like media and characters promoting that particular thing Depending on how horrible or far away it is from your own values And then that goes around the whole circle of all the different people with all the different values.  Not just throw the towel Just throw it you don't throw the damn towel at him Throw in the towel is like a throw in the towel Just throw it in general Yeah, just throw it it doesn't matter where Throw the towel at the other person Congratulations Adam in your assumptions you've achieved acute social myopia myopia myopia I think it's my I don't know Adam is the pure elitist straw man is a I imagine that the people aren't gonna be happy with Adam and these messages that's what's what was what we're to expect Um bro mass destruction of male characters isn't a conspiracy theory. What a clown to your take lull I genuinely feel at this point The south park having lampooned it makes it impossible to be a conspiracy theory It's too late the cat is out of the bag This guy didn't get into film production and got stuck slumming it in critical studies. Uh I'm not sure exactly what you mean by that critical studies is probably good as well, right? You study critically I don't know what that is. What is critical studies? Will you study stuff critically? Which is great. Will you start just anything in general? Sure over it Hmm conspiracy theorist is a throwaway term to preemptively dismiss someone's idea without actually engaging with it a non-argument if um I don't know you usually say conspiracy theorist or conspiracy theory about something. That's just not very well supported only vaguely supported obviously what's crazy about it is uh if we're talking about like the state of what's happening to Like the the injection or obsession with trying to involve female characters or something like that, um Well, then it would just be like, okay. Well, you know, we can take star wars and then someone would sigh and be like Not everything is star wars. Okay, fine fine marvel. It's like, oh, not everything's marveling like, okay Fine indiana jones is like no. No, we don't ever do that. They're like, okay. Willow is like, no, not everything's like How many do I have to label before? It stops being like you're just looking at mainstream or you just even though the point is about mainstream Um, all that is too many about disney or if it's too many about a particular thing It's just like it's an interesting pattern. That's that's that's all I think it's it goes a bit beyond a conspiracy theory that feels a bit weird to say again, especially with how Um south park have been covering it. I just feel like it's funny at this point I'm all you have to mention esg to yms is literally an investment structure to demonize and feminize men It's not a conspiracy.  I believe It's the thing that when I hear it. I'm like, oh this video is probably really bad Um, I shouldn't bother watching it. Well, like I said, I don't know enough about it But as far as I'm aware it's something that can get you your your piece of media more So like the more diversity and inclusion it has the more points It'll get and the more points it'll get with the esg the more funding it can get in the future I think that's how it works I don't know though I haven't looked into it enough and obviously you could satisfy that in theory and also have a great story So it's not too relevant to us necessarily Um, but I mean, I'd be you know if for example A piece of media we we found out that something was not there in the original draft but forced in there as a result of something like that It would be interesting to read about in terms of like motifs and stuff You know, for example, like why wasn't doctor strange in the end of wander vision? It's interesting to find out how these things happen Um, you still try and judge it for what it is though. Why is it a conspiracy theory when hollywood spokespersons have outright said they are Doing it. Are you gaslighting it? So if you've just not seen the interviews of these people he admitted he didn't he didn't know about a lot of this Which is fine. He doesn't care about mainstream stuff But it is awkward to say that it's incorrect And then say well to be fair. I don't know anything about it Yeah, it's okay to not have like really strong opinions on something if you don't know anything about it You can just say like I've heard this or that or I don't know or I'd have to wait and see or It's just not my area. It's okay It's all right YMS not may not be able to see it but drinker talks about the woke mainly because it's everywhere. It's called pattern recognition YMS can't understand basic logic I mean he started to seem to concede when we gave him examples in terms of if you're talking about like Examples of like male characters being assassinated, but to be fair Almost everybody's being assassinated because for shit the writing's gone But like specifically rewriting histories and stuff which gets really really weird I mean if you take the uh The what's her face from indiana jones like the writers don't think that they created a terrible horrific insanely annoying I think that's the indiana jones replacement. That's another great example With someone will be like I saw that movie. She didn't replace him. It's like, oh, you don't know about the contact It didn't sell enough ticket. That's it. It's just yeah, like she if it had it she'd be taking over But like you don't know that you don't know about the interviews You'll know about the quotes of the people who make these things and you'd likely have a different opinion if you did that's all And you know, you can't blame drinker for not providing all receipts and links every time he talks about something in a broad sense Nobody's going to be doing that But unfortunately it creates like the divide further and further between understanding each other I'm a bit behind but YMS was talking about drinker being aimed at normies rather than drinkers views on movies Which is kind of true. So saying YMS is talking about drinkers views is wrong Well, we got to ask him directly so I mean we got to figure it out Who is this friend adam is talking about? He sounds pretty chill actually. Oh, you mean the conspiracy theory thread. Yeah Hi rags Hello, have you guys seen tonal's new video? It hits close to home. What games do you recommend to play when dealing with grief? I'm dealing with grief. Oh, I don't know. I haven't really had to deal with grief I don't think I could really make any recommendations I don't have a go-to game for grief Yeah, I've not played a game because I've been in grief. So It's not really my wheelhouse I would I could only guess And that guess would probably be a game that's very in-depth and attention heavy Because if you want to deal with grief, you probably went a little bit of escapism for a bit or you want to Forget about something that's on your mind or not have to focus on the grief. So I would either recommend a game that's very attention Intensive or something that you're playing like a fun game that you can play with your friends that requires a lot of Communication and teamwork so there aren't like lulls in conversation or Silence that you're constantly talking with them and that might you know, keep your mind off Off of it and remind you that you do have friends who want to have fun with you and spend time with you But that's what I would suggest again. It's a guess, but hopefully that's uh, that's some decent advice If I'm feeling particularly down Probably an autopilot game while talking to friends is kind of be what I'm aiming for especially In particular of grief, but then if that, you know, I probably I'd be resort to films slash tv shows before games because then I can Try and introspect trying to figure out what how to get further on from what maybe it happened whatever it may be Um, I know it sounds a little cliche Maybe I don't know But I really feel like Lord of the Rings might be a bit of a perfect one for sort of Getting back on the horse of life in a way. There's a lot in that series of films that are very um warm and sort of Comforting and then uh, there's there's there's hardship in it that's overcome quite a bit. It can be quite inspiring There might be something but I'll just say it's gonna be different for everybody. I imagine I don't know if there's anything you want to say on that for me I don't really I've never really thought about that. Um, so I don't have nothing Nothing springs to mind at the moment. Like I I'm really not sure Yeah, I don't know Um, so drinker breaks down and provides evidence of writing tropes pertaining to how men are written negatively nowadays But those are just conspiracies despite evidence that proves they are not Again, yms conceded. He wasn't familiar with the examples. He says like, um, it's a very star wars centric view And then we mentioned other things that he hadn't seen he was like, oh sure. Okay fair enough But it's funny to say that, you know, because the star wars how many examples would they even be from star wars?  It's absurd. The only new like disney star wars content that is free of this Shit is basically and or Because they're all all the characters and that are just characters. There's no Tearing down in favor of raising ups. It's so funny how that works Like all that trend, uh, because it doesn't it doesn't seem to work. It's not like you can just essentially try to Like rip all of the traits of the legacy character and just give them to the new character like that doesn't work At least it doesn't seem to work very effectively Yeah, uh the The crazy thing is I think it's probably reasonable to assume as more people in the world who care about mon mothma right now than re um Probably if we remove People caring about rey as connected to the french like as a icon of mom's dolls Like oh man rey's plight in the sequel trilogy. It was just so captivating and she's really an inspiring figure Like how many people think about that? This is like mom off of being Well, and of course the old example luke, you know that that endures regardless what happened with tlj As a as a character that people like and respect Wait, what? luke skinwalker luke and the boba No, that was mando and boba fat twice remember I guess yeah, it was first up the end and destroy all the robots and then there was him hanging out on um The boba fat one is what comes to mind because of the whole The baby grogu thing and him training. I think um I think the I think of the mando one because the effect is worse Like it feels it feels particularly scary in that one. It's pretty bad in that one Uh What else could I have done yms? Could you not have used the sphere you're somewhat in to just talk with critical drinker? It's not impossible Um, yeah, that was definitely suggested and the you know What could I have done in regards to because people are talking about we're at the point of um that story of the My crazy friend who watches drinkers. It's just like you could have just not opened with that.  Um, I think you can accidentally poison the well I guess uh, I think you can Yeah, yeah. Yeah, I think so. Um, I don't know that you necessarily need to Yeah, you can you can also intentionally do it Maybe this is this is a different word for this but intentionally do it in a moral sense as in We're going into talking about movie barb and this one's like why are you guys so aggressively unfair to him immediately? We'd be like, oh, okay Maybe you don't know Ostrack the character development of that one Yeah, and someone could be like aren't you poisoning the well because now you're setting them against whatever he has to say Right now and it'd be like the pattern is so incredibly strong That like it would be fucking wild if he did say something uh, normal But at the same time I probably would be like I am going to take everything he says in a You know in a fair manner whatever it is in this video We do try to agree with him just like everyone else where we think they're making good points It's just the movie bob is movie bob. He blocked me uh semi recently by the way because um There was there was someone on twitter who said to him That disney is obviously bleeding hard and that they've suffered greatly in the last year or two for you know Their creative output in all kinds of ways and movie bob said, uh, hopefully you Person who said that will evolve one day into a creature that deserves to breathe Which was interesting I know right clear that disney is obviously having some financial issues. You don't be insane not to not to say that It obviously they are I mean this year It fascinates me to know when that the centennial Of disney has been this bad. Um, but it's like basically all of there are all of the the trends that they've been Successfully using for the past five or six years to make a lot of money It's not working anymore marvel movies. They're working anymore just doing disney remakes isn't working anymore Like animation struggling, which that one's a little bit more like uh, damn that kind of sucks, but like Anyway, it's it's it's incredible, isn't it? It's like insane um, I I highlighted that interaction as a guy says the disney's had a bad year the movie bob said you don't deserve to breathe Like yeah, that's the summary God, he's so crazy. Um, he saw that and then he said on a tweet like no wonder i've gotten an increase in harassment It's uh, it's this thing He's referring to me by the way and he said I didn't know this thing was still around or like Like I think he said, uh, oh, it's still around or it's still following me. So he's referring to you with Dehumanizing labels. Okay. Yes, it's and that which is I just I just like Okay, if you feel like you're the And he said that like, you know, this this thing has just been trying to send all kinds of like hateful harassment At me all the time when all I've ever done if anything to these fuckers is like Try to improve them try to tell tell them to be better. I believe that's I like how he imagines you was like a little hobgoblin. Yeah, it's like around the in the shadows good Of course, I don't think I don't think movie bob is allowed to misgender you though Um, I mean it's kind of because it's the one that I I think is kind of the worst out of all of them When you call someone it it's like What are you trying to do like actually be honest with yourself? What are you trying to do? I mean using using words like it to describe a human being, um Yeah, it's pretty obvious what you're up to. Um, the word it is typically used to describe inanimate objects and animals Or monsters.   I don't even know what that means Yeah, he said uh These guys live I live rent free in these things heads and all I ever did two in quotations them was tell them to be better That's yep, that's movie bob movie bob is the pinnacle of self-improvement. It's just like he's basically like uh, he's um, Mr. Rogers essentially he left out the pot where he He wanted like 70 percent of the population dead. I feel like that that's And not to mention the quote that you'd mentioned earlier about him Basically saying that person doesn't Shouldn't be able to breathe because they said disney of lost buddy the mouse didn't have a good year Fucking hell Like there's a reason why he is the face of the consumer meme. Yeah Oh, it was nuts. Um, anyway, I had a tooth pulled three days ago The roots were broken and shattered the doctor couldn't numb it well enough I'm in greater pain now than doing before or after that surgery And they were not enjoying that even Though that that surgery sounds real bad. Uh, hopefully you're feeling better Those is a reason why uh, people say pulling you like compare pain of any kind to pulling teeth. It's one of the worst pain Yeah, I've had teeth pulled but it wasn't Bad at all. Um, but I've had a tooth pulled. I wouldn't yeah, I wouldn't have said it was it was not even the pain It's discomfort Um, well, of course the fact that you've got anesthetic is real swell because I got I got two teeth pulled and I didn't even But the afterward was pretty uncomfortable. I gotta say Yeah, the afterward was not fun Drink is the biggest safest non-woke reviewer same way anti white racists feel safe making black panther their thing Just because racists like black panther doesn't mean black panther is anti white pipeline Um You saying that drinker has a huge appeal And that shouldn't be assumed then the um a fraction of the audience shouldn't be assumed to be his whole thing Because I guess I agree Movie reviewers on uh, I think he's the biggest I am I don't say that to fluff him up or anything I think he is the most he might be like engage with film reviewer now I think he beats out jeremy johnson chris duckman at that point who is his competition Red letter media, but it's like no No, because I mean red letter media doesn't have a million subs right there below that It's not well. I don't care about sub counts. It's engagement years engagement Oh, sure, but I mean like drinkers videos can Yeah, that's what I mean.   You watching this on a ski lift Unconventional but interesting. Yeah, I'm fun though skiing is a lot of fun Uh, it's called poisoning the well.  I think we would be made More clear as to why you might do it But yeah, but of course in this case where it's like I have a guy who's crazy And he doesn't watch any movie reviewers, but drinker like I mean we couldn't name any of them, but drinker Which is like, okay Yeah, I mean there is obviously a perception that you were meant to form based on information Synthetic man said that the biggest problem with drinker's work is that he doesn't label the actual people behind all of this That are the problem It's like from that you'd conclude like oh So drinker.  What would you? That would be poisoning the well too Why don't we talk about oh, you know, jesus watches critical drinker that great guy over there who does nothing But nice things. It's like oh look at that. He likes drinker. Oh, no now what? Uh, we can be done with this in 10 minutes by having Adam admit he doesn't like right wingers. That's all this is I I think he was making more substantive points than that It goes beyond right wing left wing, but you know, everyone's gonna have a bias I wouldn't disagree necessarily that you're gonna bleed in um Best thing you can do is find it highlight it and work I was about to say work against it work with it. I suppose when you have a bias you want to work alongside it understand it Well, yeah, because I mean, I don't even know what it means to eliminate biases from your eye from your consciousness Yeah, so yeah, you always just try and find it and then understand it. That's like the main thing Understand it and try to not have it completely like essentially try to have it not make you unreasonable I think that's the that's the main thing That was that was double negatives. I'm confused have it have it make you Don't be unreasonable. All right. There you go Yeah Bringing up two unrelated stuff things next to each other connects those items for the audience Even if you say it's uh, isn't necessarily related. It's always a bad thing to do if you try to be neutral There's no benefit whatsoever to what he brought up as information To the uh, it wasn't even relevant.  I feel like youtube you like why did you say that? Are you trying to like link the two together for some reason? Why do you know someone who eats children? Is he in jail? That's like, oh, yeah, I'm just saying just put it out there. It's just interesting Yeah Like canceling PewDiePie because a random shooter made PewDiePie references It's ludicrous to pull this when no one else gets held to this standard And that's that's that sucks about the PewDiePie one because you know this it's like once that's done It's just like well there it is and now everyone's gonna make that point And say like I was connected.  I think you should probably able to figure out our names So I don't know who you're referring to exactly But it was it was freaking myself rags and yms who were there. So hopefully that clears it up Never liked yms. He always comes off as so phony Um, I don't know. I I've gotten an impression that he was always, uh, honest to the point of Brutal He'd happily take a position. He thinks he's unpopular He's had plenty of uh, controversies. I mean some of them were brought up.  He got in loads of trouble opinion, um furries takes on a quiet place.  And by the way, I think it is terrible writing wise Um, but that you know, it's for another day. I guess the point being is um, I don't I don't think he's like pandering or um You know says things uh to lie Deliberately he says what he thinks as far as I'm concerned What's that laddy? YMS poison the well keep dodging the arguments like neo dodging bullets I mean we spent way longer on that than I would have liked to I thought it was very agreeable Um, and I was happily ready to consider that it was like not meant that way, you know Which I'm I'm sure it wasn't it's just the For some reason it wouldn't be conceded that it could possibly poison the well because it's an anecdote he kept saying that which I don't I don't see how that changes anything It's almost like you should research a person before calling them a conspiracy theory shill be under the impression based on the titles Fuck this um I don't think you should have to research a person before just uh reviewing a video with them in but Maybe you should keep speculation down if you don't know anything about them Yeah, it seems unnecessary. I want to have it be so totally laden with You know speculation that may or may not be correct Yeah, it's on a very limited amount of information. It doesn't benefit you If adam judges drinkers work by the title of a series and you can't object to anyone saying he thinks all movies suck because of his channel name Yep Yeah That was another huge knock to the whole point doesn't make any sense at all That's it. I'm Colifying a cure thing Hmm I'll read the sentence see if we can figure out that word at the end I'm cull thing more crosses for the cutting maybe four people in shadow keeps saying I agree with adam Many people agree with adam his whole audience. I think uh, I agreed with him on this one I would have loved to have seen yms and drink a disgust film together But yms seems too stuck on politics I think it ruined what could have been a great film discussion between film to film tubers I think the the bridge between those two could have been wonderful, but oh well Uh, why am I sounds like an elitist snob who then hems and whores when asked to make a sensible point absolutely insufferable Very uh positive opinions in chat today slash messages Love myself. Does the diet involve involve include evolving as a critic? Yeah What are you going to say with the whole media diet thing? I don't know Um, yeah, what can I say why best toxic positivity only talk about the good things Don't point out the bad things in the big blockbusters talk about what I want He'll talk about what he thinks is bad But he often lacks context for why the thing might be bad And sometimes I don't even think he's fucking watching the thing to be honest with you I guess it was um because it was kind of an interesting thing in that conversation was just um It seemed like he wasn't super familiar with a lot of what was you know the contents of a lot of mainstream films Like just unfamiliar with the with the stories, which it's fine. Um, it's just that that's relevant right when talking about Uh, the subject right of like of trends in mainstream films It's not um the same thing for a lot of reasons, but maybe It'll be understood if I said like, you know, the three of us were asked to Really consider and understand the context of a particular way a character in my little pony was assassinated And we needed to look at several episodes and then look at the new one And we would just be like, I don't care.  Exactly. Yeah, that's what I was about to say It's just just abstain from the from the topic Which is the problem he doesn't abstain. He has lots of opinions about mainstream stuff But he doesn't really watch it. So it's this big old contradiction kind of indie movies are less accessible because of triple a movies shitting them out That's not on drinker. He's the one telling people to boycott the triple a so that moindy's get made ludicrous He also advocates for plenty of indie films. So Yeah it's uh I mean he why mess even conceded he was wrong on that like he didn't realize what drinker had done Yes, because I mean, you know, like There's a lot of like bigger youtubers will only talk about like superhero films Drinker doesn't only talk about superhero films Hold up There's multiple live streams where drinker stated he wants more indie films to be made So yms and drinker agree on this drinker is trying to make his own indie film making a film I don't even know like I can't entertain stuff. I just to throw you off the scent He's trying to trick you Uh games have a distribution infrastructure that makes it easy for independent developers to release it to the public How can an independent filmmaker release their work? What distribution channels do they have? Well, you could say youtube and stuff like that, but well, I guess it would be that uh Like video games digital storefronts versus there are only so many screens in the theater Right, like that that there's competition. Yeah screen means that limits You in a way that is different from video games because with video games It is a thing that you play at home, right? You just get it for your console or your pc and you play at home And you know, I guess the same with books as well I guess you could make this with books right of like getting into, you know, book Bookstores, but you know, like with digital writers being such a huge part of that industry as well Compared to yeah with indie films It's like if you can get onto a screen great, but good luck and alternatively it'll be like online Um video on demand, I guess if you wanted to put on youtube for free, but you're probably not going to make You money back that way um Uvc said during ethan debate that he often goes one to two days without sleeping This his odd temperament and low intelligence in my experience with the addicts. I'm calling it now. He's on meth Um, I don't know if there's confirmation that he's on any kind of particular drug, but um He's definitely got like a hyperactiveness to him That makes you wonder and uh going man. I can't go two days without sleep. I'll be dead I'm not actually dead, but mostly All nighters, you know all nighters to care work. I'm already like, you know completely destroyed at the end of our anniversaries Yeah, oh, yeah It's I don't know it's when when the sun the sun starts to rise. It's like my god something is wrong Why should I have to fly myself to maple syrup land to find a halfway decent movie this criticism of having poor media Diet seems really unreasonable um It's not even you wouldn't need film festivals to solve that if it were a problem But it wasn't it was dropped anyway because drinker does recommend things that aren't mainstream And he watches things that aren't mainstream and there's plenty of ways to watch these things without going to film festivals I don't even think I think that's a non sequitur to be honest with you Like improving your film diet if one was to take that seriously as like a criticism You don't need film like film festivals could not exist and you can still improve your film diet It would feel as analogous as saying somebody needs to improve their video game diet by going to like packs I'm just like no. Yeah, I don't need to do that Oh, you could just screw it up steam and see what games are around that interest you that are of different genres, you know Yeah, just ask your friends. What could games have you been playing? It's a disconnect That's just a reality that happens for some people Like he's so familiar with going to them and understands them is so much fun and you know invigorating as a film fan That he doesn't understand why a film fan wouldn't be doing it Meanwhile, there's the vast majority of film fans aren't going to film festivals And when I say film fans, I mean, you know including anybody who's like I love watching films And I make time for films in my life All those people Vast majority are not going to film festivals nor do they feel tempted to and if they were to go They would then be like, all righty I'm going to check out as why I'm as suggested go by the directors and writers that you want to see the work From which they would recognize just about zero of them Man, I don't know like that to me is so fascinating because I just I feel like this is true The average person like the average person Would struggle to name 10 movie directors and I think that they would struggle to name even one screenwriter um Man, I I don't know. I like I feel I I uh, well if you pulled up a current like the recent tiff Festival sort of thing. I know festivals in that name, but if you pulled up tiff and you asked if you labeled all of the recent Films that were played and you labeled all the directors in a row I wonder between the three of us how many we'd be able to recognize And that's just a reality Pay a lot of attention to movies Yeah, and you can be like well mainstream like we watch so many movies. You don't even know That's plenty of movies plenty of movies We do ifap coverage of movies We do the recordings that we watch ones for like, you know prep for something we're covering And then we just watch some for fun Then we watch ones to fill in blanks in our library so to speak I think it's I think it's just if you look at a variety You know authors people know the names of authors. It's like why it's like they're the sole, you know Creative thought well not the sole creative force, right? You got editors and things like that But but like they're like the lead Uh creative voice their names on the front of the cover So people know the names of like Stephen King or Michael Connelly even these um and then and then by comparison in films People certainly recognize actors Like people could name a shit ton of actors because they're like the people that you see Even though there's a shit ton of people who are working in roles that you don't see that are incredibly instrumental to The creative process of that film and I think it reflects in the fact that people just don't really know the names of directors or writers And then of course in video games, right people know studios very few people know the names of individual developers Um or creative directors or anything like that, you know people know naughty dog or bungee Or uh or like infinity war or well, he's like the he's But that's maybe the only one that people could name You know like his name gets put on the box as part of the reason why people know But then like if you push people even people who play a shit ton of video games I'd be surprised to see how many of them could name uh directors uh game directors But like that doesn't that's not necessarily reflective of like a disinterest in the art itself Um, it's just you know, it's what's the thing that you see first. What's the most visible element of it? Uh Roger even wants the title to his book back and they're referring to the one that's called I hated hated hated this movie All right hated hated hated this movie.  Oh, I don't know where he I thought was at the review where he said that I think it was friday the 13th It was one of those slasher movies. I think I think it was friday the 13th I hated hated hated this movie Uh whole argument boiled down to but my art films It's more complicated than that to be fair. Yeah Uh, why am I sincerely from someone that enjoys your stuff next time you decide to make a video criticizing another channel Do more research beyond the surface level of the content Only on the condition that you want to speculate on the things that can be found out As in like when we go a lot of the channels that we cover on eFab We don't speculate beyond what they give us in that video At least typically uh, this is some kind of funny information. We know like with in the case of movie bob Why am I so I want you to watch what I want you to watch To be fair you could argue that is kind of the case for everybody and that's not exactly a bad thing Like what the people want to recommend the things that they think are great and Yeah, what what we believe to be the best media we want more recognition and praise for because then we believe It'll have a ripple effect of making more of it potentially and that stuff being appreciated Obviously the three of us at this point are going to be like lifelong advocates where possible of soma as just one example It's like you guys just want us to enjoy what you enjoyed it's like, I mean You should you should share my opinions on things. Yes Patrick willems you're watching movies wrong. Why am I you're watching the wrong movies? Um, I think he'd probably agree with that Like the the statement he probably considered defensible And to an extent I think I would argue it was some stuff if you're gonna be for example I'm gonna watch a soka because I know it'll be well written and super excited. I'd be like wow Okay I feel like there's better things to choose if you're actually gunning for like great storytelling But I guess you really like your star war so fair enough Star war For every minecraft there are a hundred plus life of black tigers Likewise, there are hundreds of mlm quality movies for every train to Busan Indie movies slash games offer a better variety, but I wouldn't say better quality is guaranteed through I agree with all that The indie sector is gonna have all kinds of crazy things it'll also have loads of shit Because why wouldn't it just you know when when uh the when it's it's Uh, what is the word I'm looking for? I don't know if it's accessibility. It's just barrier to entry, right? When the barrier to entry is lower Like what what does that entail it doesn't like it means that some some great things that couldn't get through that couldn't breach Are able to exist and thrive, but then there's plenty of stuff that it's just crap You know Muller and crew woke me up to modern hollywood without their criticism.  I mean there is uh There is an ignorance is bliss sort of aspect I guess because But the thing is I don't think anybody would opt for that once they're um Suitably out of the matrix if you know what I mean Like if you if you could flip a switch and you're like guaranteed to now enjoy all of media going forward Would you not feel like not flipping that? We just think yeah Like you would have asked me 10 years ago, you know if I thought you know more movies were good then I almost certainly say yes Now I think that not Few movies are good, but you know, I still prefer to think this way Yeah, I feel like over the years just refining standards is is what we've been doing to an extent It's uh important to keep taking everything as an example and figuring out What we value about storytelling as opposed to just whether or not it makes you feel good But in a in a sense, whatever makes you feel good you try and figure out why it's making you feel good I find that process much more rewarding than yeah, I like everything mostly like Okay If we didn't fight the studios wouldn't have citizen cane the godfather 2001 star wars jaws the list goes on and on Um Let me say if we didn't fight do you just mean like if creatives weren't like encouraged and sort of incentivized to fight to create stuff like that because Yeah, you definitely don't I get you like the idea that the films would have a harder time of existing if there wasn't like advocacy for them Yeah, I mean, you know because if if someone for example if isoka did do better than all the other shows It was like amazing and they're like, oh, we just got greenlit for season two and three.  Sort of the question of how much of an impact any of these types of conversations can have I can't remember was that something that happened in that conversation that we talked about the notion of like impact and Potential to influence like anything in the film industry. I think we've had that conversation I don't know if it was on that stream or not, but obviously we always say the like it's higher than zero We know that well, I I mean, I certainly don't think that this is pointless. Um No, that's what I would say. I don't think it's pointless Howdy efap crew and chat been lurking since Jared thanks for all the great content over the years Y'all helped me to get through a 32 credit blitz to finish up my bachelors this semester. Where should I send fan art slash anime? um Discord is probably the best place for me to find it Discord's probably the way to go the reddit is another probably good place I might see it and then twitter is a place that's like lower likely that i'll see it, but I might still see it there Um, you try email Finishing up your uh degree. Yeah, absolutely. Good work yourb The pokemon of the day is all right. We'll do that lost. Okay, just so that we can We'll collect up if there's several of them. Okay, we'll figure it out Hi rags Hello to you YMS is so weak. He needs his chat to come save him. All right. Come on.  So You know what I mean?  I don't see why I don't see why that would be bannable or at least why it should be bannable Um, I love the reviews adam and efap guys for hosting you Oh good That's a nice call but there you go Yeah, there you go I know this will kind of depend on the game but in general What are some mechanics you would implement in a game to either remove or discourage save scumming? Uh I mean one of the easiest ones is to have a strict autosave system Yeah That's probably the most direct straightforward path. Um, I hate to say it but remove Like cheap deaths as much as you can. Oh, yeah, sure So for example if a person does a whole bunch of strategy and sees that the game They've they've made too many mistakes throughout the whole thing and they're about to lose and that they they can see loads of places for improvement I feel like they're less likely to save scum that Versus like sorry, they spawned on top of you and you died.  There's no way to undo it Um, so it it could be something that you can toggle Um, I mean it's essentially the hardcore modes in a lot of video games Is, you know, if you die then it's over or you have to start over Or you know, you could have milder versions of that where you can only, you know Have a certain amount of saves or have very big checkpoints or You know things of that nature and of course, you know, baller was right when he said don't have the Don't have you know those like unfair moments in games Because the more of those you have the more people will want to try and uh You know circumvent them pretty pretty understandably if I was playing a game where I felt like, you know There was nothing I could have done Yeah, if it games like lol you just die now there's like there's no way I'm playing a hardcore mode There's no way I'm not You know doing that kind of thing and of course some of this depends on how you define save scumming but The idea of using saves to essentially Uh create checkpoints where there shouldn't be or just sort of circumvent game mechanics or circumvent The game trying to give you Like consequences Or having you live with the consequences of the choice you choices you make in games Then I mean, it's you know kind of always covered by the suggestions we've made Yeah Oh mailer i'm glad to see you I went out for the morning paper and got lost I hope you're all right. Yeah, I hope you're okay. What's going on there? I can imagine that as like a horror story of someone going out to grab the mail and looking and then seeing You standing staring at them in the corner in the shadows Uh rags, do you miss dirty bomb?  Um I put just shy of a thousand hours into dirty bomb.  I love dirty bomb But I think it's it's kind of like one of those one of those warning games of if they the if the Combat in the gameplay is ace But everything else surrounding it is pretty much awful Whether it's the monetization Or the you know building loadouts and stuff like that if you fail in those aspects then You really hurt your ability to kind of survive as a game Um, which is such a it makes it such a shame because having really good and fun gameplay That's the difficult part. That's the part that's hard to nail down But they ace that part and they they failed in the elements that got players to you know, especially new players to stick around and stay So, yeah, I really really miss dirty bomb Uh sigh Maybe one day it'll come back. Who knows Open ball Wednesday eFap Friday.  Hi rags Hi, I hope they make it through that laxie wobbly week Uh drinker versus yms.  I'll let you guys Guess which one is which seriously love both of them even if I disagree quite often Yeah, I mean I've disagreed with both of them on media takes why with me I don't agree with yms But my dad started watching drinker and now he thinks that film is a dead art form and none of them are worth his time Sad I don't know how he got that from drinker considering how often drinker does positive reviews Yeah, he's got a lot of great praises stuff out there Obviously if your dad was saying that like star wars was dead or marvel I could totally understand that Because it's true But you know not not like all of film Russell brand is pretty openly left wing and yet constantly has conservatives on his show So he definitely has people he disagrees with on Um, I don't know enough about his stuff, but I hear like he's got the thing going on We're like everyone says no.   I'm not much about him. Don't know either Uh rewatching update episode uh 69 nice stars gill is sleepy ahead in that one I think yeah, I think the a lot of the gills have sleepy time on efap.  No No I love it when efap and yms talk. Love you both. Oh, that's nice Why doesn't yms come to efap more good chemistry? Yeah, sure Definitely Ale efap. Love you guys. Well, thank you. Oh nice I expect a degree with yms coming into this, but man, what a slime bowl He's pretentious disingenuous and he's backing away from everything garbage That's a scathing review right there If drinker cares about art, he shouldn't focus on movie stars But good actors I wouldn't compare cruises acting abilities to al Pacino favoring mid Well, so this is just a matter of figuring out exactly what drinker meant by movie stars And as I said from what I know from having met him and fucking been familiar with the way he uses it a lot in his work He's referring to individuals that can essentially would their star power sell Movies to people which was something that when I was a kid was very common. It is not common anymore. In fact, it's not any It's just not around There was a theory that tom cruise was the last one, but that kind of got destroyed with dead reckoning Yeah Someone could be like, oh because of one film. It's like, I mean, yeah, that kind of destroys it, doesn't it? Isn't the whole point that if he can sell any movie then that wouldn't have failed And to be honest with you it's kind of weird that he couldn't sell that one when it's mission impossible You know, I mean, like it's not like he was trying to sell some action movie called like action man It's a brand new not a new series. Sorry.  So Yep, beloved very successful Uh, the last e-fap coverage has been fire Wait, thank you We've done all kinds of wacky things this uh recently in terms of different formats, you know Hopefully y'all have been enjoying it Also writing is why movies are failing not actors Sure. Yeah, I don't agree with that the most part. Well, I'd say actors have been You're looking like these marvel Films and tv shows the problem has not been the actors. Yeah, I'm inclined to believe that it's um A lot of these actors we would consider bad maybe for performances and stuff would be Good if they were being directed by someone like mike flanigan, for example, or um Whoever else like pushes performances out of people or won't accept like an okay take Um, I think we make that sort of joke every once in a while We someone will deliver a thing and then we'll just be like you didn't have to use that take could use a different one But the joke of course means like maybe they didn't have another one. Maybe that was it Maybe they were like, yep, you did it. That's the line. Let's go. It's like, oh Okay, when there are people out there who are making stuff and they have a particular delivery of mind And they will keep going until you get it Okay, even george lucas wanted that right like it's a meme but uh the prequels when he was filming them He was known for saying faster more intense like take again Which is you know, you can I'd prefer that than just nothing Uh, was the last of a show mainstream or it had to be liked It was mainstream and it was like little mainstream Um, that was one of the most successful shows on hbo and it was good So that was neat Uh, you know, my mom is like not interested at all in zombie stuff And I was like this is new arguably zombie show out that I think you probably love and then she was like why and I was like because about a Apparent and their child essentially which I already like a lot of parents find that appealing to a lot of reasons I was like, you know what just watch the first half hour of episode one And when she finished that she was like, I want the whole thing. I was like, yeah, I figured It's uh, it's pretty strong that opening in both the game and the series Hey massives almost missed this one. You're just gonna send a super chat and listen to this later Play little nightmares and high mubles frogold and rags Hello Hey there Hello, just pooping in right now going through the backlogs. I'm on efap 42 Well, that's a long way to go Yeah Fringy, what are your thoughts on australia possibly moving toward being a cashless society? Oh, is that something that's happening? I have no idea about that I am pro cash. I like it Uh, yeah, I mean, I like it existing as a thing Um drinker has a video about arcane entitled woke done right that illustrates that he doesn't actually mind a lot of woke tropes If properly executed that's the kind of thing that would be interesting to get him to talk further about If um If something can be woke and good then it being woke that wouldn't necessarily matter Would it and then get him to sort of talk on that? I think you talk about like motivations influences effects and that there's like a crossover event diagram so to speak with quality and Uh influence of agenda or whatever like, I'm not sure I you know, I spent a lot of time with him But I don't know exactly what his answers are going to be for a lot of these things Soma was mentioned many times on e-fap. So I played it and my mind was blown. Have you guys discussed it anywhere? Or do you plan to hi rags? Oh, uh, hello Boy, you might be in luck Maybe maybe someday. Yeah. Well, uh, the reality is That we have discussed it post fringy playing it But instead of recommending that I would recommend watching fringy's playthrough Which you can find on Osmoronic So if you youtube Yeah, cosmoronic the cosmoronic fringy soma, you'll find his two parts Yeah, you'll check that out. It's a very uh, interesting gripping playthrough from a gripping game You might quite enjoy that Yeah, I'm pretty enamored with that game And maybe in the future we'll do something with soma the three of us. Who knows who knows who can say The difference is moulin from the 90s was good I'm not sure what this is a response to but I agree Uh, why am I seems to be arguing with the most toxic reductive version of drinkers fans rather than the drinker himself Some people do reject anything with women such melanin, but I've never perceived drinker doing so Um Sure. Yeah, I mean the you know that you're gonna get crazies And that's what I mean like it sucks that we're in a culture that does try to sort of paint aside By their crazies um And that we should probably avoid doing that Kill Bill is not a horror movie with a strong Mfc main female character Maybe oh right because uh, why am I said the the the terminator and alien of both sci-fi horrors with Uh late last guild trope leading into their main characters Which I stand by has absolutely nothing to do with anything like how good their writing is doesn't have anything to do with that If do you remember he was like saying like they're almost forced to have More interesting characters because of the fact that they are like there's like something built for them already that they're gonna have to escape and and overcome like a horrible force or whatever And I guess this person's saying well kill bill isn't a horror movie and it doesn't uh, and it has a strong female character Hi Which I think he would reference uh, I think your name was Beatrix kiddo right main character. Um As well as a good female character Kim Wexler of better call souls a good example. I am a great layered character for the whole show Can I just I just want to cut to the chase. Um, I've kind of been blackpilled on this recently I don't want to hear anymore the the like women needed more good representation or whatever. Um I think there was plenty of bright female characters I like slipped into it I think and I actually want to go into a thing about like how this is actually going to cause problems that probably wouldn't have been anticipated When we had the 90s and 2000s of shit tons of awesome female characters Lots of them doing subversive shit that if released today people would say is crap Right, like you know beating up the main guy In whatever way or making him look silly, but also being a good character Like we have plenty of examples of that in in the 20 year span of those two decades um The fact that that's like been sold is not a thing that happened and that we need to overcompensate for it now To correct the shit and balance it and instead we get in all of these awful female characters You're gonna start being able to successfully gaslight people into thinking man They're right. We didn't have any strong female characters and now look at them when they are there and they're awful women shouldn't be protagonists I guess that's like a that's like a bad place for them in stories.  This is really good. Look at this character. Oh, she's great Um, you know, we were asked to go with lists. It was funny It was a top comment that was like mola. Why didn't you mention buffy? It's like I always try to avoid mentioning buffy because it's so obvious to me like it's like, of course he says Yeah, I'd say other stuff, but yeah, that would obviously be a huge example. Um And it's just yeah, it's mostly cringe to me. Um, I've seen so much of it It didn't even strike me as an actual problem. That's why when I get told by other people that it is I'm like, what have you based this on? Why is it just because other people have said it so much at this point that it just sounds agreeable Remember when you said like oh, it's easier to name horses than it is female characters. That was insane Um Yeah Yeah, I that's obviously not true It gets real awkward when you get like a million answers in chat for a disparate You know set of female characters spanning many different mediums not even just exclusively films television shows video games books Like it gets real awkward When that happens I just uh, like I said at the time it I feel like there's plenty of stuttering you can have for naming characters personally Or naming any particular thing that you're asked to do on the spot. That's just normal On the spot, it happens. It does happen. Yeah, like it's it's one of the It's kind of fascinating how that works because it's not like somebody actually doesn't have the answers It's but if they sat down and could have their brain go. Yep Register that one. Yep. Clock that one in. Yep. Put that one in there in the list Then you get like the more comprehensive real answers Um medea.  I should have said medea. That's another fantastic horse Uh princess vespa in space balls or lair Yeah Like I said, I almost I'm almost starting to get to a point where I don't want to entertain the conversation anymore. It's annoying me I don't want to entertain it anymore Especially rewatching rewatching a lot of films from the 90s and 80s over the last couple of months Yeah, I like the overwhelming feeling rewatching all those films is man.  Yeah, like Gaslight themselves, baby. I don't know but it's like I'm not sure what to make of it It's just it was just baffling. It's particularly where it was rewatching anastasia where it's just like, dude Anastasia is a really good character Well, and I rewatched um We watched foscapes how I recently and I forgot like uh Aaron sun is like one of my favorite characters of all time.  So Yeah, like it's because it's it's funny just rewatching a lot of 90s stuff Just reminded me it's like, oh, yeah, I remember watching tons of stories Where uh, like the lead female character of the story or you know next to main character was like assertive and confident and um Like had a perspective on things. Yeah They lied To me or themselves Uh Starbuck clary starling jane way elita the bride le fem nakita laia buffy Aila from clan of the cave bear maggie from point of no return Fiona literally subverts the princess archetype.  She's perfect as an example I just expect better from someone who's made this like their thing right like movie reviews and film analysis And the laia too laia is just a side character like fuck off laia is one of the three main characters of star wars like She is as integral and essential as luke and han Boring, uh, thank you for any nailed that one. I think it was it was about fiona probably Uh, well, yeah, I mean because I can't remember what was the context where we brought fiona up because She was she was perfect for whatever it was what we were talking about Let me what I mean well written female characters Uh, yeah, but like what was the context was it? I feel like there was something more specific than that But I mean, yeah, I think I think she's a really good. Well, it's Maybe it was just the fact that like that's kind of like her whole point as a character, right?   It's been a long time. Oh will do. I want to do ether movies for them Remember the uh you remember the gag in shrek 2 where it was cops but medieval and they uh they got like night Yeah You remember one uh She's trying to sell donkey in his introduction. He's like selling it as though he can't speak and he gets hit with a tinkerbell or whatever. He's like, he can fly. He's like, hey, I can fly. He can fly. He can fly. And it comes like he can talk. He can talk. Yeah, that's good beams. Oh, I love that movie. Yes, we need to re-see that. But we've got to record that shit, OK? Because I think the whole audience wants to see us watch that. I think I'll be hilarious. Hey, guys, I'm feeling a bit too. Oh, go ahead. Well, I was just going to say, Shrek the third and Shrek forever after included in the mix. I kind of I think I want to see them again as well, because I have very fleeting. Maybe they're OK. Like all the they might be OK. Because I remember that everybody Shrek three is the one that everybody says is the worst. And it's funny because we can watch it and just be like, you know, it's not great. But it's just way worse than Shrek one and two. That's probably the conclusion, right? Yeah, it might be that it's just fine. Which is not good if you're following Shrek one and two. People have high standards. Oh, yeah, because you gave them to them. Hey, guys, I'm feeling particularly Randy today. All right. Wow, Randy. Oh, boy. I'm feeling particularly Randy Mosh. Could be Randy random. Right. You feel like Randy Mosh. Yeah. Someone I don't know is just Randy to me. This Randy over here. That's another. Yeah, qualms are moral oppositions, not qualitative ones, learn to English. Qualms are moral opposites, not qualitative ones. Well, an uneasy, an uneasy feeling of doubt, worry or fear, especially about one's own conduct, a misgiving. Yeah, I mean, I feel like that could be used for both. Yeah, for moral. I feel like qualms is a bit of a stretchy word. You can apply that to a couple of things. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, qualms doesn't go like a stretch out. I like that as a description, stretchy word. I like that. I like my words stretchy. His point was that you shouldn't have qualms about a movie with this subject matter due to the subject matter alone. Not that you should watch the movie no matter how good it is. Listen to his words. Oh, this is about what Drinker said. Yeah, because so this is the thing. This is about when you interpret someone for what they say, right?  So it's so insane. If someone said like someone said like, wow, so you're trying to sell to everybody that he thinks Vietnamese people are aliens, like, no, I know he doesn't think that. It's that he wrote the script and read it without realizing how awful it sounded because it's like funny. Yeah, right. And just funny. What's happening there is charitability, right? A lot of people could be like, no, Phil Mento is a monster and he thinks that Vietnamese people are aliens. And it's like, you don't know, you don't do that. So when Drinker says he's really surprised, people wouldn't be supporting Sound of Freedom, you can go the direction of thinking that Drinker thinks that you should have unequivocal like full support for any movie, whether or not it's good or bad quality. If it has a message that's positive, which he obviously doesn't think, why would he think that? No one would think that. There's plenty of movies that are absolutely piss awful that probably have a message of friendship is magic. You know what I mean? Like, it's like, oh, yeah, we agree, but obviously I wouldn't say you have to support. It's like, obviously he doesn't have the position. The reasonable interpretation of what he's saying is he's surprised anyone would take issue and like stake themselves against something without even having seen it. When the fundamental subject matter is that of stopping, isn't it like child sex trafficking or something? It's the kind of thing. It's like, why would film is about, you know? Yeah, his whole thing is just like, he's surprised to see such opposition for something that you'd think there would be full support for like ending that. And it's like, that's so straightforward. You don't need to like interpret the drinker now believes that you should support stuff unequivocally if it has a message you agree with. And yeah, I don't know that kind of good faith, bad faith stuff. I just, it can drive me nuts. And we can fail it here every once in a while. We're trying to do good, but like it can be tough as a human being, I'm just saying it's a, you know, try and be better, I guess, falcon style. Well, if you don't lose anything from trying your hardest to be good faith, there's really no reason not to try. It's rare that that will actually like backfire. Mark, did you get to remind me about it? There's been several times on eFab where we've come across a statement where we can't figure out what else they could have meant, but we like almost refused to believe that they meant what they said. Yeah, a little bit. Yeah, they probably almost certainly meant X or Y. Only meant something that wasn't what they said because it couldn't have been what they said. S.O.F. has zero conspiracy theories in it. So sound of freedom. It's about a real case in Columbia. The movie itself is a solid seven out of 10. Every criticism is lol, fear, mongering, Q and on cringe, when that's 100 percent not what this movie is. I've heard from many people that sound of freedom isn't like bent in a particular direction. It's a very normal movie about stopping, trafficking, like it's not got much more to it than that, at least from what I heard. But why that's just talking about marketing after the film, I think, or before it. It was like marketing reactions, like conspiracy theories surrounding the film and kind of like its place in the political discourse, which like, yeah, I mean, I don't know. Sound of Freedom Ticket Sales Fund, Tim Ballard's Foundation. I don't exactly know what that means. Yeah, I don't know what that is. Started the stream late, so I'm about three hours behind y'all, and holy Moses, Chad is mad. Also, hi, Rags. Hello.  They were big mad. Big mad. I know I'm late to the drama, but I never wanted to hear any of these socialist Twitch react streamers complain about CEOs stealing labor anymore. Damn true. That's like a different arc, bro. Which we'll probably have extra chapters, don't you worry. This is what happens when you start with an emotional response.  That's another bias check. You've got to be careful about your emotions.  YMS, you don't record movies I like or recommend movies I like. So you're bad, obviously. Well, there you go. Simple as that. YMS left for the bathroom. OK. Goodbye. First live EFAP. Whoop. Wait.   We would all like kids to be safe. I think what his point was made sense. I just don't like how he interpreted Drinker for what he said. It was obvious Drinker wouldn't agree with the sentiment that you support a film just because of what it's supposed to be about. That's just not something he would believe. Like I said, I'm good faith enough to believe there's no one on Earth who believes that. There might even... There might be some people who claim it, but I don't think there's everyone. I think you could just have a conversation with them and they would instantly go, oh, yeah, I mean, of course. Like if the film sucks, it sucks, regardless of what the subject matter is. Yeah, you just get extreme hypotheticals. Like, what if it's like hostile? But at the end, they say friendship is magic.  Fringe of is magic. Fringe of is magic. Sound of Freedom is being rejected by one side because of its subject matter. So what Drinker said is incredibly fair. He was just commenting casually on the fact that it got incredibly controversial and it doesn't seem clear as to why, and then you look into it and it's connected to what one of the actors has said publicly about certain things. I think that's what it was, right? I think it was like Jim Camusall, like you had an interview where he said some stuff that was like much more modern day, relevant, like politics stuff. That, yeah, I guess it sounds like, like I really don't know much about like that film or any of the controversies surrounding it. I mean, in favor of YMS encouraging people to watch films that are not mainstream and working really hard on a graphic novel, my biggest fear is no one having a chance to read it. Yeah, it's tough to get out there.  If Adam had watched more Drinker Vids, he could point that Drinker always highlights his dislike for the message and is in fact engaging in low-level hypocrisy for liking the message of sound of freedom.  It's kind of like the whole Drinker likes it when they remake stuff that's good and do well, but he doesn't like it when they remake things badly and yet doesn't advocate for remakes. It's like, wow, hypocrisy. I'm just like, you can't all figure out what might be the position at all.    YMS needs to convince Mola that film festivals are worth it. He needs to convince me that film festivals are worth it as much as I need to convince him that book festivals or game festivals are worth it. That is to say, I don't think he goes to those, but that doesn't mean he doesn't understand their value. I know the value of a film festival. I still don't want to go to one. The only way I'm going to one is gonna be with friends. And even then, if it like I said, it was us three and we were meeting up the first time doing that, I'd be like, maybe we should be doing other things.  It would be like a live recording of us watching the top three movies requested from the audience. Absolutely, that's the kind of... Go into a shoot in range, for sure. Yeah, yeah, we'd be doing something like that.  If that was in good faith, what is his bad faith? Who knows? Did you ask why I'm as if he likes Le Frommage? I'm sure he does. Le Frommage. Le Frommage. Review the scene from get him to the Greek. You spilled my medicine. You might need a minute either side for context, but give the scene a watch. I remember if I can get him to the Greek, funny. I haven't seen it in a while though. I saw it when it came out and I remember liking it, but I don't actually remember much about it other than stroke the furry wall. Yeah, I remember that as well. Our tax from never ending story is best horse. And then last super chat is false. Epona is best horse. And then Buca phallus is best horse. The previous super chat is wrong. Tyrek Lannister is best horse. Also high rags. Hello. So many horses. That is a lot of horses. YMS misrepresentation and goalpost shifting to optics. Wow. Same thing would be said about drinkers. Same thing would be said about us. I'd rather have references with your arguments and stuff like that, because it just doesn't feel very constructive. YMS self-report arcane is literally nine out of 10. It's pretty good. Quitting an episode too is like damn. That's the meme. It's the mining meme where you quit right before all the diamonds. Yeah, the diamonds, yeah. And plus the first two episodes are good. They are good. It's just that three is obviously once you get not as well stopped, but that would baffle me. Apu, Moe, Maj, Hel, even Krusty are all relatable. I would argue that all the characters Simpsons are relatable in some way, because they're all stereotypes. They're all, their existences are all like caricatures of real life experiences that we're aware of. They try to humanize them all in different stories, you know, here and there. We're also trying to make it funny. Simpsons is awesome in that way. I recommend it. Certainly the earlier seasons. I'm not sure you guys thought on Elita Battle Angel, but I'd say she is probably a pretty good, strong female character in recent times. I've kind of found that movie like, yeah. I thought the movie was lame, but I'd have to rewatch it to say more. I have not seen it, but it's probably lame. Trinity equals Flynn entangled, designed by a committee of women to be love interests. He's a good character who begins and ends the plot similarly to how Trinity does for Neo. Execution, not intent. Flynn entangled. Oh yeah, I remember him. I remember like entangled quite a bit. I remember liking it too. Yeah. A Llama Man bad. Great content that I'd illegally give money to. It's a shame YouTube on iPhone won't allow a specific payable amount. Such much $27.99 to $69.99, very disparate results, still something I'd pay money for. All right. Just wanted to say I completed your Outlast series, more of a very thorough analysis. I enjoyed it playing RE7 right now. It should be better, right? RE7 is better than Outlast. Yes, I think, I think I would conclude that, yeah, but it's, I don't know. Like, when I look back on RE7, I'm just like, man, it's that like opening third. And even then, it's got problems. I mean, if you were gonna play one again. Oh, out of like Outlast or RE7, RE7 probably. I think, yeah, because Outlast doesn't- Because I didn't get far into Outlast before I'm like, oh, I see what kind of game this is. I'm going to go do something else now. And so I did. Hassan has promoted Objectivism more than Moeller. Has he? Has he? I mean, he must have because I don't promote Objectivism at all. Well, yeah, that's true. I don't even know why there was, I was just thinking about the part of, does he even do it to like a degree that is, you know, like sizable? Not that. When's the last time we had a conversation about Objectivism on EFAP? We do it all the time, we mean. Oh yeah, that's right. I mean, we did it just this stream, actually. We had a conversation about Objectivism. Didn't the drinker like Boiling Point? He loved it. He thought it was great. Recommended it. Point is top tier. Yeah. We should go see Boiling Point. Obi-Wan was old. Oh yeah, like when characters are old, what else are you gonna do?   You know how old people are?  National Treasure did this right. Not exactly sure what they're referring to, I'm afraid.  This stream has been pretty damn crispy. Some of the arguments YMS makes are interesting. Yeah, interesting, that's fair, yeah, okay. I'm not passing the torch. I'm handing over the ashes. Oh. Ooh, I like that. YMS, not all of HW writers are malicious for sure, but why do you think they're all only bad writers and there is absolutely no bad faith, despite some mentioning publicly that they have disdain for these characters and even the fans? He's just not aware of it for the comments. He doesn't look into this stuff. He doesn't care about it, which is fair. Like you don't have to care about it. It's just awkward when you make claims about it when you don't know about it.  I'm not sure what HW stands for in that context, but hey. I don't believe in hell, but if I did, it would be having to listen to YMS dig his own grave for hours on end. Oh, come on. If hell existed, it would be way worse than that. It would be like, you'd have to, it would be like watching Velma or something, you know? Well, just, you know, just being consistently prodded with a, just like with a, with a little, um, Trident. Okay. Just like, yeah. Is it a Trident? I think Devil has a Trident, right? Or is it called some else? A Pitchfork. Yeah, that's right. Normally it's a Pitchfork. What's the difference between a Pitchfork and a Trident? Is it the number of, uh... Probably it's usage. There are differences in the shapes. A Pitchfork and a Trident are not, they're shaped similarly, but they are different. A Pitchfork usually has more smaller prongs that are curved, almost like, um, like a scoop shape. And a Trident normally is like a spear that's just got multiple prongs on it. Cause it causes a three prong spear. And that, and I guess it's because it's, yeah, it's used for spear fishing, whereas a Pitchfork is, you know, for farming agriculture. Well, the more you know. Yeah, this is some interesting stuff. There's loads of information here. The Devil's Pitchfork can be referred to as the Bilvet, also known as the Devil's Tuning Fork and Impossible Object and Optical Illusion. Oh, I know the Optical Illusion there I'm referring to. Hmm. Let's see, just a second. Let me pull it up real quick. Yeah, cause a Trident is considered a three pronged spear. It's used for spear fishing. And it's like, it's about what these things are used for, is how they're categorized. I think that's the main thing. Yeah. And then a Trident must have three, whereas a Pitchfork could have more than three. Look at that. That's the Impossible Object, huh? Well, it's not so impossible cause I can see it. Oh my God. What is this illusion? Wow. It hurts my eyes. Oh my God. I am struggling here. I gotta tell you. What is this madness? That is a crazy illusion. Oh my God. I do feel like if you drew that down in a particular age of humanity's existence, you might get burned.  What have you done? And you're like, no, no, no, no, no. It makes me a wizard or whatever. Good thing. Praise me. A good wizard. Yeah. I'm not an evil witch. I'm just like, witchcraft, no wizardry. So it's an important distinction. And I'm like, oh, okay, fair enough. Yeah, wizards are cool. You can't criticize Thor, Love and Thunder. It's just a comedy. It was hilarious when Jane Foster died. I can't remember exactly what this is a response to, but fair enough, yeah. There's definitely parts of that you're supposed to take seriously in that movie. Did you already collect fan art for the anniversary? Yeah, because this would have been before the anniversary and before we did coverage of a meme fap after it, I think. Or we've got a meme fap to come. Either way, yes, I think. I'm proud to say I've never watched this man's videos. I don't know if that means drink or YMS, but fair enough, I suppose. Weird association Brexit backstabbed. Oh, all right, fair enough. Got home, started the stream, took a nap, went to my buddy's cook, dinner came home, realized the stream was still on. Five years, love your videos and listened to Fringies Endgame, great all the way. Oh, there she is. All right, yeah, good video. What are your top five stories movies excluded? Salma. Yep. Get that out of the way. Well, Buffy vs. Story from start to finish, I guess I would consider that in there. I was considering Ragnarok, and I'm like, well, the story's fine. I think it's the characters that I really, really love about it. It's not the story. Wait, what? Story to me is encompassing characters plot world theme. Likewise. All right. Is it not to you? I just figured it's a decent distinction. So I didn't know if it was included or not. Well, haunting a blind man is going to be up there for me. So if we've erased movies, obviously, I'm just going by TV shows and games. And my top stories for games are going to be Ragnarok and Salma and then films. Sorry, games, but what am I fucking? Where am I going here? TV shows. Buffy vs. Bly breaking bad. Lord of the Rings is up there. Yeah, you can take the books Lord of the Rings if we don't get the films. Anything else? Let me see. Um, I'm thinking of books here. Did we mention our cane? The night list? Yeah. Yeah. Hmm. No, I don't want to pause too long. I guess I just I would just have to stop and think of, you know, the books that would rank in the tip tip top. Yeah, the problem is I kind of want to I don't want to keep trying to answer these questions off the top of my head. Yeah, like your favorite, this your favorite that.  Sometimes I want to sit and think. Yeah, that's fair. Hopefully those answers give you an idea, though. Oppenheimer is in my top 10 improves on each watch. Fair enough. Yeah, fair enough. And I'm giving chat a sixth set of 10. Why is probably. Oh, I don't think he'd be that generous. Yeah, he wouldn't give us that. That would be a high. That'd be a higher rating than the last. Not sure what the consensus is on this, but I think it was a pretty constructive. Very glad it happened. Here's to more YMS on EFAB. Yeah. Y'all should do bath, bath duckies, ragu duck, plague, duck to and mouple duck. It would be a bath for the ages. Oh, yeah, you could bring us into the bath with us or with you. You could have us there with you. Did we just be floating up top? Yeah, because you wouldn't want to do it with them, right?  Yep, you could have us a little like the little holes on the bill so you can squirt water. So Pokemon of the day was Gible. Well, Gible, I assume it's Gible. And they said this is not a child eater or a soul eater of any kind. They just wanted to let us know about the guy because his name was funny. Hmm, there he goes. It looks like a piranha alligator kind of mix. You know, it's like Gengar. Yeah, he does kind of have a Gengar look. Yeah, I kind of like him. Yeah, he's neat. I'm sure they'll discover what children he eats or what soul he steals or something like that. I hope so. Like terrible crimes against morality, you know. Well, all righty. And that was the last message. So thank you all. Feel kind donations and messages and company. Hopefully we shall see you in whatever it is we get up to next. But for now, we shall say goodbye. Little pip. Yeah, see you, everybody. Here we go. Yeah, goodbye, everyone. Bye-bye.