Sometimes you just want to do a quiz. This is just the start of your slow descent into being a quiz-based supervillain. Yes Leading to I believe he's called the clue master in DC, right? Yeah, actually, of course, that's a thing. He runs a quiz show and then drops Yeah, like a bad guy and bat woman added. He popped up in Gotham Knights Remember that rags free of that. That's right.   You just bring this up as though we can't Talk extensively about what this was this cursed like porn level Quiz I don't even know what I'm looking at. This was like a crazy idea They tried to launch and it went nowhere and it was horribly low budget. They stopped immediately Okay, they took like what what $20,000 for the set 20 bucks worth of plywood It was so bad I need to we need to do e-fat movies for their movies at some point. Okay, that's a big deal Gotta get that. Oh my one of my viewers sent me the the trilogy the dvds from they made I didn't remember that they were they released all three of their that go with the glasses movies on dvd And he was like 13 at the time and he was into the site so really hardcore So he bought all three dvds and now you know, it's 15 years later And he's embarrassed of owning them. So he sent me them I was like, oh great. I can add these to my collection instead and imagine the bonus features being credible Um, okay, so let me show you at least all the contestants here once you get the stream up So you can see this wonderful screen Try and get an understanding of what in the world we're dealing with The first thing to point out would be The teams of which will be named team fleam And team grumbo go in head-to-head. Oh, please. Can I be on team grumbo? I'm so sorry So that's right, that's okay fleam police where we got this we got this team fleam Uh is populated by dev brooks and rags team leader being dev That that will be relevant soon enough. Don't you worry? I like how anyone Who's made by made team leader will just be scared immediately team grumbo Made up of uh, fringy john and theo theo being team leader Why would you do this? I'm not because thematically he made both of the weebs team leader Naturally shies at the concept of leadership or social This is this is great. This is good. We now chat. You may now become tribalistic and choose who you want to win team flame To be honest with you.  Oh my goodness. Look at this the tribalism begun. Yep. I see a lot of grumbo's there. So that's pretty cool Grumbo's are all right, but they're no flam Well, wow, that's pretty offensive Is it well sometimes that's just how it is Team is supreme. Well, that's right rain supreme on this stream Hmm. There's a lot of misinformation about fleam out there.  Who knows what all that could possibly mean Um, we we will be split up into eight rounds of differing I need to do I need to be I need to be looking at the live stream In theory. Yeah, it'll be helpful to you. I think you're gonna want to see that It'll be useful information as time goes on. That's all All right, so screen a little off for everyone else. It seems like it's kind of not crop-roping. It feels awesome I it's a little bit off. Yeah, this is the best I can do because this is photoshop. I have open right now Oh, okay Wow, everything is scuffed here. This is actually very inspired by the episode where we covered falcon the winter soldier If you remember I had a scene where I was like, there are 15 things wrong. Can we guess them all? Remember that? That was fun This is essentially that but you know, I think the spiritual successor to a specific conversation for Bad show a couple years ago. This is the quiz form of falcon the winter soldier e-fap breakdown That makes that makes complete sense at this point. You're probably thinking like, wait, we have to name plot holes Or so there's like no no, so that could be a fun little quiz on its own Um, the idea here is based on a little resource I found that basically collected data from across Everything online and through references Came up with a list of 100 names Across all of history up till now and sorted them by popularity As in the most well referenced and popular human beings of all time ranked from one to 100 Hitler so The idea is going to be that you two teams will compete to guess Which of the ones are there through different versions of things that i'm gonna Present to you that I had a few, you know thoughts about in terms of how to format it until uh, you know We we see who the winning team is who the smarter and morally superior team is that's what this will decide Well team flame reign supreme It's not true. They got zero points right now around the new regime No, I mean it's a big draw at this point.   I think everyone follows you Okay, so what you want to do is not only guess correct, but also guess high you want to get them high ranks So it's kind of like family Like that's rankings for their guesses in terms of rules number one no googling even though I can't possibly stop you I'd prefer you guys don't google Otherwise No private talks at all no group chats. No I can't confer with my dream team Well, so it's part of the game in flame part of the game is team flame you should confer But remember the other team is listening Can the other team just mute while we discuss? No, that's what they can hear you. That's the point I want not if they mute themselves I want them to hear you it makes it more difficult You've got to figure out how to confer on which is the best decision This is unconstitutional and then also avoid giving the other team ideas on which ones they would like to try Yeah Okay, all right. All right. I'll like Yeah, unfortunately in order to use the code we'd have to explain to each other what the code is Yeah, but otherwise that would be a good idea.  That's that's how this was constructed So you may or may not be surprised with the results But remember if you feel say for example, you guess when you're like what that's not on the list That's impossible. It's a list that you've all got to deal with, you know, so like it's it's it's a level playing ground It's a I will say the list can come across as strange in some ways But in most ways it makes a lot of sense So the list was compiled digitally from people on the internet the It's scanned basically everything that's available online And so the highest references to the lowest references of human beings The one thing that I should I think inform you of That may not be intuitive is religious figures are in this list Oh for yeah, that's what? Okay, that's counting the ones that actually existed that blend that this mix does are don't actually exist Uh, that'll include ones that do and don't exist. Yes. And and to be clear Does this list include fictional people? No, no, no, okay, so you understand that no harry potters, but Okay, those firemen's you may spot one or two people that you'd be like, wait a minute. Did that person exist? But that's okay Uh, I mean as some people point out you know as far as most historians aware a guy called jesus did exist Okay, so it works. That's the consensus. I don't name I don't believe there's anyone that you'll find in this list that you'd go. Oh, come on I think you'll be like, uh-huh. Uh-huh. Yeah, like santa claus will be No, he wouldn't be No, no, no, no, he would be on this list.  They didn't include santa That it's bizarre, but all right. Yeah, I don't know. Um for for one thing in terms of the googling Obviously, you know googling to look people up, but if you have someone in mind, but you just can't remember their name Can you google for that or it's like that's gone I think no We're gonna go with no Right What we want to kind of go with is everyone's collective brain power for their teams, you know with what you have at hand sort of thing Collective brain power This is remembering the name as well. So yeah, this is uh tricky And I will do what I can with every correct guess to uh Maybe read the first paragraph of their wiki page so people know who we're talking about um because there are some in here that I don't think any of us seven would have guessed but that there will be rounds later that we'll be able to include these These ones if they're not guessed at all But yeah, there's no other reason not to start. Um the only problem of course Being that we can't know exactly which of the teams are supposed to go first flea more grumbo But I think clean goes first flip a coin was where I was gonna go with that Not just say your team gets to go first All right, well here. I've got a I got a coin here.  So it's uh fleam for heads grumbo for tails That's cool. Okay. We have tails fleam for heads That's right because team fleam Rain supreme team grumbo first confer as much as you wish just remember I can give ideas and uh fear will be the one thing to lock in whatever your choice is So clarification first round is what we get listing like most Famous people basically throughout all of history. Yeah, you want to get those high ranks for the most points Um, okay, we just have jesus, right? No, it's not to say it's not saying whoever goes Are you locking in jesus? Is like it's jesus versus two other people I can think of and I think jesus surely beats both You're gonna lock in all right excited. I can confirm jesus is number three in the top Ranky flankies of all time Which earns you 97 points for good old team grumbo not bad All right team fleam. What have you got? Where we we got to do it. We have to it does god God is not on the list Okay, if that's not on I um One strategy I had in mind if we were gonna not just focus on um, like religious people like The reaction to their death So I was thinking of like an unconventional one at like possibly number 12 or 15 Before you say before you say before you say We should save the unconventional ones till the high point obvious ones need to get the high point ones done first Okay, you because because that's the game we're playing Yeah If we're doing religious figures if you want someone that can rival jesus obviously mohammed Even though we're obviously going to say hitler because we have to say hitler. I I need to know where he is on this list Well, you think you really think you would be in the top one or two profit mohammed It's I it's I it's gotta be mohammed or hitler Well dev gets to lock it in Okay, I'd curious to ride with hitler just for all these years Every every point will count okay, but you want to go hitler hitler is indeed on the list I don't think any of you are surprised about that Hitler come on Where is mr. Hitler hang on number one? Hitler number one you got here at least makes top 10. Team me top 10 at least please eight off hitler number 14 Oh Which gives you 86 points That's not bad All right team grumbo Um, I feel like it's probably worthwhile to still keep thinking about like religious figures. So mohammed buddha Do you really think that out like because this is just referenced on the internet, right? Or yeah Yeah, I'm I'm wondering if certain uh, shall we say american presidents might Yes, I my other thinking was people like george washington or abraham lincoln I mean, I was gonna say obama Uh, do you think that because of him being a more contemporary figure that he'd be contemporary figure and very memed on That's that's a good point. Oh, dude. Donald. So it's it's him or trump I don't know. James a garfield was now now that we've said both their names. It's kind of like a handshake So which do you think is more referenced? Oh, obama has more like history Trump has more uh impact shall we say Revering as well that like in terms of internet, you know discussions probably is like exponential, right that the more There are the more a conversation happens per day to avoid misleading either team because i'm starting to think maybe I should just read out the actual description of the thing that they did to make this list So the data was collected through a slow and painful process involving several steps First identify all entries of the type biography from wiki data This takes a few days Then we use the wikipedia api to identify all biographies that have a presence in more than 15 language editions of wikipedia Then run a classifier over the english text of all these biographies to identify the occupation place of the, you know, all particular information Then group people and based on like everything so they can find out stuff like that and then put the data in the front end And search for bugs and gaps and content so I think from that it's it's based not on memes not on every entry like even youtube and stuff but actually wikipedia as a So if you think of like every reference textual mentions, yeah every mention jesus had Articles documents any any kind of digital thing. Yeah Right, okay. So now i'm starting to think that you'd probably get more references to older presidents then I think i want to go over him linkin perhaps um, do we want to try um, I Do you think any religious figures would uh would beat him out? Is there a time limit to this? i'm not Not round one There will be time Yeah, i'm a little bit. I'm wondering if uh, if it's still be worthwhile to try for a religious figure Um, I was gonna pitch santa claus. Are we going with fictional characters in this? I don't know what santa claus has to do with fictional characters Um Uh, I mean i'm okay with abraham lincoln as a as a choice. He I feel like he's got to be pretty high Lock it in. Yeah Let's go with that That's uh, that's a lock in from you there theo just making sure Uh, yes Okay, let me just check make sure I got the exact Location which is uh, not on the list Whoa, that is a penalty of 30 points Damn No abraham lincoln All right, nice.  We're very very good. We're back in it team fleam Where do we go? All right, I think we got to go big prophet Yeah, either a la or prophet mohammed A la's not real. It's it's mohammed. Yeah, someone correct me. I'm I'm Okay, so are we locking it mohammed Yes, is that it was that yes. Yes It's I think mohammed is number one That is 100 points Team grumble europe I'm wondering if it might be worth instead going after figures with like Because of the collection method after figures with extensively documented on wikipedia historiography as it were So that would be like world war two political leaders kind of Like what are like if we went for like uh, eisenhower or uh, I was thinking along like starlin But um, I mean he probably ended up pretty high on that list, right in terms of reference figures Yeah, do you think it's just a matter of weighing that against the buddha Yeah, right. Um, hmm Uh, I don't know. I feel like Hmm I guess some don't so think about as well as maybe like, uh, philosophers as well. Maybe like shock routines or Um, a play-doh or Aristotle. Thank you. They're probably pretty on the list probably Gone, but I guess I guess we gotta we gotta find uh, yeah What one sorry? I've been thrown off by the fact that Abraham Lincoln's not on the list. Yeah, that's pretty crazy. Um, that's that's that's surprising Uh Uh, what about what about julius Caesar? I imagine that's a Mulder do you mind if I ask you to remind me of the collection method? Uh, think of it as just every reference on every page of every wikipedia and most of the common languages Okay That makes me want to go with the buddha because uh, we're thinking outside of just english Uh, I'm gonna do that Yeah, so the buddha Very well, uh, buddha is not on the list.  I'm just satisfied with this list No, and he's according to the criteria for that list those two things should be on the list like that's ridiculous I mean, it was funny buddha was referenced for a team Uh, fleam and dev I believe said that there will be a no-go based on the rules At least the understanding. Um, so it's interesting that one team thought no and the other team thought yes Uh, I'm not surprised by buddha. I'm surprised by Abraham Lincoln, but I'm not surprised by buddha not being on the list What was the reasoning again for buddha? Uh Yeah, there's that. Yeah. Oh, there's there's there's a couple reasons why it might not make it. We meanwhile I mean, I don't want to say anything else If we're talking about referenced on wikipedia, that's that means it's gonna disproportionately favor written works. All right, so You know what we should do shakespeare Ah, that is a really good answer. That's the real good one most famous writer That's good to be on there. I've got I've got a little list. I'm sort of yeah I'm kind of typing out here as people come to mind But that's a really good one. I think we should go with we should go with billy shakes. Yeah I have I have one for the next one, but that's even better. Go ahead. Let's do it. Let's do it Going with shakespeare? Are we locking in shakespeare? I like it. Yes. Is this uh, is this a number two? I see before me shakespeare is 36 on the list All right, all right. We should have gets the number too as well. I'll take it No, no Okay, you're out of my client is clinic which gives you 64 points Which gives you a grand total of one hundred two hundred and fifty. I believe my math's gonna have to be checked by chat Nice in fleam That's right grumbo.  The later rounds will definitely make this a lot more even if Things don't quite work out for you But Those are such good picks and for them to not be on there. It's um, well, so Uh, what was do we want to try julius Caesar? He's got to be referenced a lot, right surely It's like one of the most important historical figures But then again, how much would he be referenced directly? Um Directly referencing julius Caesar compared to referencing his impacts Hmm I don't know. It's still though. It's like julius Caesar. You know, I know right Whereabouts do you think that he would uh end up what about what about Let's maybe let's uh, let's let's widen our net here and think about other historical figures. Uh I mean we could try george washington um At this point, i'm not confident and I have any understanding of the rubric here. So i'm content Uh, yeah, let's why don't we why don't we try george washington? Yeah We are locking in mr. Mr. Washington george himself Alrighty george washington is Not on the list Yeah, that figures Okay All right, I have uh, I've got I'm thinking that we might Go with a very prominent historical figure that maybe might not come to mind at first, but I think a lot branches from her um My my thought I know my thought is Um, either we go with julius Caesar Or we go with queen victoria I was thinking playtto or trump might be safer. Don't you think I've got your is acting up bad. Yeah Um, I've got playto on my list. Well, hold on. Hold on. I'm Mahler it is it is based on wikipedia references, right? That's what it claims. That's the best I can give you Yeah, so like victoria might actually work because you have the victorian era and everything that comes from it Yeah, and everything that's named after her Yeah So that's my thought. Uh, I think that would be a good one I also I hope trump is between mohammed and jesus because that would be you know, we can float We can float one zero at this point. So let's try victoria. Let's do it. Well, I don't like the attitude But no, um But I I do think queen victoria will probably get us a lot of hits Based off on the list the reign and the name and how much and the age and stuff like that So I I'm keen on going with queen victoria. It should at least be on the list like there's enough It should be if that's right. I'll join walking her in join team grumbau and my my my my dissatisfaction with the list. She's not the reigning queen of 1819 alexandrina victoria Is not on the list.  That's a 30 point penalty Queen victoria is not on the list. What do you got to do? Oh, so rags rags. We should get the safe The reason that I thought victoria might not be on the list is because I was thinking maybe they wouldn't actually count the victorian period And everything that is victorian because it's not her Well, even if obviously not everything in the victorian period had to do with her But the amount of things that are named after her and the amount of stuff that comes from that everything time Team grumbau's 10 And the references alone, maybe I'm try Humphrey. Let's go Humphrey Bogart. Let's stop doing historical figures for a time. Let's just go for celebrities actors That's an issue Humphrey Bogart. Yeah without you. You want to lock in Humphrey Bogart? That's a domain in which I have no real information. So sure He is Not on the list. Okay. Well, all right. You are Negative what is that 23? Negative Are we doing negative numbers do it up? All right, I got I got a really good guess What's what's your really good guess because I thought mine was really good and I thought the logic takes out But I've got a very good. Keep it safe this time. All right. Okay Okay, go ahead team fling albert einstein albert einstein Uh, that's on my list as well. I think now You did a lot of writing you did a lot of writing added to the other two till I don't last Yes, I thought einstein would be like super safe and I'm I'm I'm wavering on that now, but I still say I still say go for it. But if you're so so I have another I might want to float by but that's it's not bad. So I just will keep trying to consider which one is the safest though Like do you feel that that is safer than played over? I don't know. I don't know People will be talking about Metta about this list. Um not trump. I think so I think I just as a one I wouldn't be shocked if I was high and I wouldn't be shocked if he's not on the list like this Yeah, that's what you'll know. Well, let's see. Let's do it. Let's do einstein Uh, the einstein and and let's see Let's go for it. Let's see the einstein's on the list. I'm I'm all for it Albert einstein albert einstein Is on the list and he's number 17 Wow, congratulations I think it's going to be skewed towards people who wrote a lot so it very well might be people who have, you know All right team grumbau I just want to throw another scientist because like I don't know Isaac Newton Yeah, I'm happy with that That's a good answer Okay, we're locking in Isaac Newton for good ol team fleam. No wait team grumbau. Just make it sure. All right. Good stuff Isaac Newton is Indeed on the list. How could he not be? But where does he place? Number two Isaac really? What? Isaac Newton is number two Congratulations. That is That was pretty shocking What's the algorithm here?  Maybe Is that how that works? Probably newtonian physics. So is Aristotle Plato Socrates I think Plato should definitely on there if he's there Newton crosses over into philosophy because of his relationship to Leibniz Now I'm starting to think about okay Uh, yeah, now I'm starting to now. I'm starting to wonder Anyway, it's your turn team play All right, I have more good ideas if you guys Are you want me to Let's keep it out of the ones that we've had too as well. Yeah, that's why it's useful to have the stream Up so you start to see it form Yep, I was just thinking if Isaac Newton's there then Plato Tatl definitely should at least be on this list. I think if we're going with philosophers Then I'm thinking what is the most popularly referenced philosopher? It would have would it be Nietzsche Nietzsche, would it be Socrates? Would it be Uh Plato would be my guess I think But then I'm wondering well as for people written about Do we go with I mean Julia Caesar's on the list and what about musicians like Beethoven? Didn't they guess Julia? Wasn't that one of their guests yet? I don't think no Caesar has not been guessed Or was it and again now like world war two leaders like Churchill Stalin Eisenhower? Um, yeah Stalin should be on here if Hitler's on here. So that's oh, what about wait, wait, wait What about Leonardo da Vinci? That's good. Yeah. Yeah, that's a good. Yeah. God damn it. I was gonna say that one. Let's try da Vinci You want to lock in Leonardo da Vinci? Very well the inventor of pizza Lock him in you shall he is number five on the list Wow 95 points goes to team fleam.  So I figure we have to just throw him out now and if he's not on there then, you know, just gunhead Gunhead. Yeah I like that one. We are locking in Socrates. Are we? Yeah, isn't that the plan? Yeah Alrighty, I can indeed confirm. He is on the list. But where on the list? I don't know I'm gonna guess Low thirties He is number 13 All right, he just edged out out of it Bye-bye Did it but nice you did it that would be 87 points. There is all Socrates. All right Um, well, I guess in keeping with what we're discovering about this list I feel we probably are going to have to go with Charles Darwin Well played off. Yeah, that's pretty good I will can't no playdough is good. I agree Are you on the same? I'm thinking Charles Darwin, I mean the theory of evolution by natural selection is like the basis of biology It should definitely be on the list So if it isn't like if this is Darwin's gotta be on the list I share a birthday with Darwin, by the way, but I really think that I think we gotta go with Charles Darwin, right? Mm-hmm Deb, are you locking in Charles Darwin? Yes, very well. Give me a moment Uh, Charles the good my man Charles. He is on this list and he is exactly at Top 20 There he is. No There he is. What was that? Charles Darwin number 42 Okay, all right. Fair enough. I thought he'd be higher because the science is still worth, you know, 58 points. Not bad I'll take it. I'll take it. I guess Uh, so is it worth just like?  Snag all of the old Greek philosophy Yeah, because I have all the ones that I'm pretty confident in that I really wanted to lock that guy in Let's keep them to ourselves. Yeah, we'll go for play-to then Oh 50s. Sorry. Just making sure I got the points right. There you go.  Yep You sure I guess yeah, that's just my way of delaying. So good stuff Play-to is indeed on the list and he is number seven 93 points I mean, I I guess it's really hard to toss up twins operates and play-to Okay, cool All right. Well Man team fleam are 200 points ahead At this point we have to round out the trilogy. So we should do Aristotle Hey, let's do it. Right. You know what? Why don't you just let us do that? No, they still play-to from us. Just take Aristotle We didn't steal play-to from you. I'm a pretty sure we've had some play-to before you guys Yeah, you're right.  Yeah, there's a lot of things I've written down that I haven't said but I totally stole play-to from you. You're right. Consider because I don't Hmm, okay, you know what? You we'll go with Aristotle. Yeah. Yep. Okay sounds good. Yep Aristotle walking in are we we sure dev Oh, we're doing very well Aristotle is indeed on the list and he ranks in at number six Nabs 94 points for team fleam Uh, the most referenced philosopher religion and philosophy kicking us. Um Dude, what about what about one of the uh, what about one of the original psycho analysts before you say that? Uh, I I kind of want to get this one out there. Uh, Johanna's Gutenberg Uh, wait, what do I reckon? Inventor of the printing press the press. Oh damn. Yeah Yeah, yeah Hmm Sorry, I will say the fact that the fact that I didn't know and then a lot of people in chat I don't know Like looking at the criteria here Surely he has to at least be on the list.  What do you reckon the likelihood is of Taking it now that the name is out there though because rags is compiling his laundry list That number four. Who is that number four? Hey Tony I guess I guess that's all I'm asking is do you want to do you want to hold on to that? Or do you just want to Throw it out, but I also think this decision shouldn't have been given to me. So, you know Let's uh, yeah Okay, okay. We are locking in Johanna's Gutenberg. Was it? Yep. All right Well, I can put your fears to rest and say he is indeed on the list. So good shout because I I didn't even know that one I was like, well, yeah printing press. Yeah, but Where was he on the list? I don't know if I regret to inform you or happily inform you that he is 61 Wait, okay No, I did label it right 61. Okay, so that makes 39 points. Not bad So I'm If we're going with yeah, um, okay We got it. We got to choose. We got to choose the ones that are big and obvious at this point. So Caesar Caesar Freud Freud is Freud some Freud's a maybe for me He's one of those guys that has definitely talked about a lot. It's got to be Freud I think Julius Caesar should be over him if we're talking about safe fix like we all agree I think that I think I think that dead greek meta is pretty strong right now. Um So let's let us consider. Okay. He was he was roman Close enough now. Here's my here's my suggestion, right? My suggestion is Pythagoras Caesar we got to think about like not just being on the list, but how high they are too. I think I do Julius Caesar is good but Recent events have shifted my perspective on what answers should be given and I feel like Like people like building blocks of mathematics philosophy that kind of thing. I feel like they're going to get more hits Um, and which Freud is under that umbrella But I think it has to be Freud. I think Freud's the big one. All right. Well, you are the team leader.  I know. No, I'm not. I don't feel bullied. I don't feel I think it's a little disappointed in you. I'm not I think it's safer for Caesar But if you have a thought process behind it, then um Well, I I'm trying to keep it. I got a logic that I can understand based on this list when it comes to yeah sociology or psychology Freud wrote a lot more and he's referenced a lot.  Yeah, definitely. Yeah, I think I think that's that's that's what this list is. So let's let's do We are locking in Sigmund Freud. Is that true? Let's do it. Let's do it. I completely trust my team. That's a really good choice to the bitter end This will be number four though, so it's not even gonna matter. This is number four. This is it This is Freud. We all think Sigmund Freud is on the list at number 54 All right. All right, I have a decent idea for actually 46. Not bad All right. That's fair. That's fair. Okay. Okay. That's interesting because I was gonna say Carl Jung But if Freud is there then I feel like Jung's got to be below that Yeah um Okay, so that's got to be better. What about what about um I like noses that seems like a safe one to me um Man, I'm really throwing off the Buddha wasn't on the list When it comes to there's one along those lines that I want to throw But yeah, considering the Buddha wasn't even there. I don't know. I uh, how do you feel about Confucius? Uh That's probably your way. What why you're interrupting now our conversation here I actually am I want to help you a little bit because I want to Chaos So, uh, yeah team grumbau what we thinking? Um, I think I think Confucius is he's got to be high on that list.  Yeah Alrighty well, I can confirm Confucius is on the list. So congratulations for getting that far But what level is he at? Where would he be? I can confirm. He's at number 23 77 points Okay, cool. Not bad Yeah, that's good. All right dev What is it that was on uh, your mind if it will help us and not them Okay, so Mahler is the reason why Buddha wasn't on the list is because his name wasn't actually buddha. That was just his title Um, yes his actual real name Well, as I tried to explain this is a bit scuffed. So I'm worriedly trying to figure out why exactly That would maybe you may not have tuned up Well, I will say if we do find out that it was his original name rather than the buddha Then I mean, surely we got to get that point from the yeah, they should get the point then Oh, yeah, that's an easy fix if that were true Yeah, presumed are we talking about sydhartha guatama? I think he's usually he's usually the figure. Yeah. Yeah Yeah, so put your fears to rest for he is not on the list. I wait a minute You know how they got me was yes, but he's not it's just the sydhava sort of threw me off So that yeah, no wonder I did okay But that means you just get 38 points and I can reveal because he will not 38 points He's ranked 38 so you get So we need to gain a 30 Yeah, 62 that we lost Oh that too, so it's 92 then Oh nice catch that puts you back in So if it was 92 then knockoff eight boost a hundred, right? 60 Yeah, you're gonna have to check them doing this right. Okay 60 64 But it'll be worth just having a calculator from I've got so many all three of my monitors are stuffed Unfortunately I might be able to fit a calculator in here You got to go. I think chat. Well chat are invested there. There are people in chat who really want both teams to win So we should be okay get a captain bested. I'm already just seeing conflicting answers Okay, uh, but it's it's your guys turn still Um, sunshine or a Caesar. I think one of those got it up rank high. Do you mean sun suit or sun suit? Sun suit. Sorry. Sorry. I always get that one. Um, sun suit Sun suit is probably pretty good. Art of war homing good. Um I'm saying do we need to you stick through and do the Pythagoras or comedies kind of you know those guys I just think it's a safer pick like Caesar is really like I think he's number four I think we should just steal that or at least, you know Let's try sun suit. I think All right, I will I will go with my I will go with my teammates very well If they want your sun zoo Art of war is referenced everywhere. Yep You wish to lock in sun suit Oh We'll see now we'll self-conscious because I'm like wait a minute. There's not some kind of alternate set of names for him Right, that's the one the should be the only place you'll have that problem. Fine Well, as you can probably tell then why would I ask that question other than saying sun suit is not on the list Bullshit It's I'm gonna I'm gonna go ahead and say right Pythagoras. I think is a really good guess. I think we should try Pythagoras I think you're completely right I was gonna Pythagoras I can't believe Wow, yep, I'm happy. Yeah team grumble. Are you sure you want to lock in pythagoras? Yep, Pythagoras. All right. Well, I'm not crazy Mr. Pythagoras is indeed on the list at 29 Not bad. That's what I mean. Good. I mean Pythagoras makes a lot of senses I guess, but I'm surprised sun suit I'm surprised you're not on there. I I'm still processing that how's he not on this list I have one obvious easy one we can do next to stay ahead What? Oh, okay I can do it. I'll be an obvious easy one for the last few rounds Okay, fine. We'll do scissor.    It's mean to me You've been asking for like like 10 rounds.  Just to get scissor out of my mouth like I just Hang on add add 71 to 64 for some reason my brain's locking up on that So it's wait. Yeah, I oh you're asking 35 135 plus 64 is 135 Yeah, which means chat. You can double check me. That's right, right five three five. Yeah, we good. Okay. What were you saying? Was it Caesar? Yeah, yeah Team fleam going with Caesar, huh after all this time I don't believe it I don't believe it. Let me just there you go. Yes. He is in the list It's not exactly surprising at this point. I think most people have assumed he would be But where in the list? I don't know. I can let you know. He is number 19 Julius really? All right. All right. He was a politician if you didn't know, okay Do we want to do we want to try alexander the great? Um, that seems like a really free one Yeah, I'm I'm up with that. Yeah, I have Yeah, nothing else seems as free as yeah alexander the great. Yeah, sun stew really set us back. Oh man Um, also giving him the booty set this back, but in the spirit of fair play Okay, why my brain keeps locking up 88 and 66 always 81 and 66. Yeah 81 and 66 together makes If anyone can do it as well Oh 27 47. Good there you go Because it's just carrying the 100 is easier. She's got a figure Okay, sorry. What was the guess? Uh, we're going with alexander the great Hmm alex That's uh, that's a decent guess. I think that's what I think and I'm impartial So that means it's gotta be worth it. That means it's a really good guess, right? Because that puts him at number 10 alexander the great. Okay Not okay, all right. Yeah, make sense. That's easy math.  Can you believe it rags crazy? Yeah, I can't. Yeah, I can't I did help them Okay I think we should get bonus points because our team name is hard to rhyme with a positive word I'm afraid that goes against the rules. John. I can't do it Dream This is positive right. Can't blame me for trying supreme Right dream flames All right, so Okay, so um This might be I need you to think about this because I think this could either I think this is I don't it shouldn't be a wild card, but this list is strange. All right I mean the list is not he like in great crazy someone saw this. I feel like most people be like, oh, I recognize all of those guys Pause the order of that guess. Yeah But about like now if we're but however, I you know actually Oh, wait, wait, wait, wait. Hold on to hold on to paul, right? I'm actually surprised no one's mentioned that we need to go with napoleon Hmm Well, hold on you've both now said napoleon and genghis Khan and they're both really good I didn't say genghis Khan, you know team grumbos. Just just I love this discussion Genghis Khan, I said genghis. It's on my Genghis Khan is now he's out the while he's in the ether Yeah, it's just doing all the thinking for us, you know Whatever that means in this game. It's locking what we got to lock in one of those at least that's not one of those two We got to get one of those. I think maybe you got to go with napoleon All right, let's go with napoleon.  I think the amount that european history, especially that time period is written about referenced in his shaped politics I think napoleon ballin apart is going to be more prominently referenced and written about more biographies More references in in you know political history. Okay that kind of thing Okay, fair. That's it lock it in plus all the short memes Dev are we locking in napoleon? Yes I can confirm napoleon is on the list. He's pretty high at number 12 Yeah, boy. Nice. Good shit So the thing is that makes a lot of sense to me, but i'm still baffled that george washington isn't on this list Same with sun stew. It's just So we just have to report with genghis khan, right? You didn't guess washington you guessed Or did they did they I'm pretty sure we guessed I don't Am I to remember all of this craziness? In any case, yeah, i'm happy with genghis khan Yeah, I feel like that's just pretty much forced Are we locking in mr. Genghis? Yep genghis Just clarifying with my list goblins they they like to Want to make sure everything's going great here. Okay. I can confirm. He's on the list I suppose the big question is did he get a higher rank than napoleon? That was that was the big drama Well, I can confirm he is number four Genghis Wow, that's why I asked That is why I asked because this list is just mad That kind of does shock me that he's And sun stew is not on the list genghis How this is what I'm saying.  I can't believe no one considered it. I was It made more sense than napoleon according to this list, but you asked me if I was List is nuts.  So like who knows so you threw out Stalin And he's been thrown out by I think of their team earlier in the game So we should probably snap him up. He's probably gonna be on there. Let's just nag him Yeah, watch watch him be eight or something. Who knows wait who we snagging Stalin joseph stalin sure Wait, it sounded like this discussion to be had there. Are we going with stalin? We locking him in What's happening there sure means yes. All right. Yes Stalin is being locked in he is on the list which makes a lot of sense because he's quite influential The many would argue. Yes, uh, but we're on the list number 37 goes to stalin Not bad 63 points. Okay. Oh Just how about how about your boy carl marx? Um, yeah It's carl marx. I'll pull the apostle Um Hmm Hmm Well, you know what?   That's a lot. I'm I'm mad, um Oh, do you want to flip a coin on that one? Uh, let's go with pole Okay Hole sure the apostle There uh, there's no no need for any discussion further. I guess he's overruling. That's fine. I mean if you want to put it that way I've been told to overrule What am I to do? Very well pole the apostle is indeed on the list. He is at number 60 Look at him go. Okay lower than I thought. Yeah, which is 40 points Yep, it's 40 points. Yeah All right team fleam Um Nope All right Actually, he's our team leader. He's our team leader. He's he wants the mox man Yeah, I mean, all right. He's overruling. He said not bad not a bad answer Well, as yeah as long as you're comfortable. I don't want the teams to feel you know abused I don't want any cancellations happening years later from behind the scenes of the tv show. No, no I love carl marx. He's great. All right We've got a lot of experience with him in video video assayists So it makes a lot of sense. He would show up a lot. He is indeed on the list and he is number 31 All right, very good 69 points, right? Not bad Not bad at all Nice if they're gonna pick marx. They should share some of their points with us It's only fair. Okay, can we get some of the gang is gone? Can we get some gang is gone? Please can you share the gang is gone? I don't get out of here. I think it all belongs to Genghis Khan, you know Well, right in century philosophers. Do we think nature?  I'm just Surely nature is on the list.  Yeah, damn you Like one of the only ones I know like properly to reference to learn about that fucker in school Wait, so what are we looking in team grumbos for Columbus? I know that one Let me just check with my goblins All right, he is on the list But what are we thinking? Where would he be? What do you guys reckon before I reveal the truth? I think Columbus going really high or really low upper middle is where I'd say middle Top 30 maybe. Well, he is at number 16 Oh, um, that was my pocket pick Okay team fleam grew up All right, here's what I'm thinking. I'm thinking thinking charlemagne I was thinking Martin Luther King, but No, that's on my list, but I didn't say it But just to put it up against you but think about it last time I did that I was completely right. Should we go to number four gaggis con or number 42? Darwin, so I think we should consider at least which one is the safer pick and which one would be higher out of those two Well, I think the logic is that I I would have said Darwin is a safer pick. I think the logic would check out on that, but You know what? You know what? Yeah, it's just so Mangled. I'm still the the sun she won but just between those two. I just which one do you think would rank higher? Hey, what was the first one? Rags, what was yours? I said charlemagne and I said Martin Luther King because I think we should try to snag an eight or nine potentially Wait, isn't there a junior attached to his name? Is it Martin Luther King? No, he was no. He was just charlemagne Charlemagne jr.  You gotta lock in What are you gonna do? I think I think it actually Martin Luther King jr. Is the better guess this time. Sorry rags No, it's fine. It's great. They're both great. I'm glad they were both suggested openly Are we locking in Martin Luther King jr? Yes, let's do it. All righty. I can inform you directly confidently That he is not on the list.   Uh, I'll take that one on the chin I'd just be tempted to like not guess anybody who was a figure in the 20th century on this point I'm thinking the myth is the dead or the better. So I would go with that logic, but how do you account for sun shoe? That's your negative 30 points and now it's our turn to start Yeah Wait, is it charlemagne or charlemagne? It's pronounced charlemagne No one says that. Yeah. Well, well, theo says it. I've literally never heard anyone say charlemagne I don't exist rags second. Oh, oh, no You made this weird noise when you were saying it I said second. Oh second. Oh, that's yeah, charlemagne On the list and he ranks in at 59 Okay, okay, that's pretty long 41 points Relatively, it's gonna make sense. We met charlemagne the god Charlie Magney That's the best one Okay, okay Okay If this is what we're doing the next guy we do Before you say something because we want to offer as little As you know, we can right does any of the three of us feel like they've got a real banger I do. Okay. Go ahead.  Yeah, I I think that's a safe one. I think that's a safe one Are we locking in vladimir? I before we locked that in just take a quick think of like any that we haven't Mentioned As time goes on the more careful everyone's being because the choices you're running out Like you should that's what I'm saying. I have no issue with the with the pick But I'm thinking since it's our opportunity If you had to guess Which do you think would be eight and nine and you think he would fit there? I don't know what to think anymore. He might fit there. I think he's more important than stalin was so looking at one through Looking at one through seven and also having um 10 to round it out I think we can take a really good stab at that what would be eight or nine And I think we should it's worth the risk trying to lock that in Well, we we already said it and we are and we all know what's on the list So you might as well take the three points this turn Okay, all right. Oh, wait, wait. Um, I don't think lennon is wait. Wait. I actually I actually no go ahead. Go ahead I don't want to reveal it. Don't reveal your good one. Yeah Right, right. We're locking in lennon Yes, I'm terrifying. Well, he is indeed on the list. I thought I was gonna make you have some peace there immediately But where is this legend? He is indeed at 49 Blood in you. All righty. All righty, which is 51 points. Not bad. Cool. He's lower than stalin. That's very strange So this is one that i'm gonna float and then we're gonna immediately pick it because it hasn't been brought up yet. Mozart Oh, Jesus. Yeah On my list Uh, once I give me yeah, yeah, no, I just go We are choosing we're locking in mr. Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart Yeah, the fact that you're reading out his whole name means he's on the list Well, to be fair, it means I've pulled up his wikipedia page just to make sure about different like Which I have to do for the ones that aren't on the list so I can confirm they are not on the list Though I imagine you'd all be pretty shocked if Mozart wasn't on the list. I would be absolutely floored If Mozart wasn't on the list, he is on the list and he's at number 15 Mozart, I thought he'd be right Feeling I should have said it earlier. Um, should we just Counter with Beethoven like Beethoven are we doing that? Yeah, we could do that. Yeah, I Sorry That is correct.  Yeah, I'm safe counter. Yeah, we'll do it. Yeah, wait. What are we doing? We're doing We are revealing the Beethoven drop card. There we go Interesting and we're definitely locking that in there dev Yep, nothing you maybe think that would be a bad idea. I'm kidding. I don't want to put you off it That'll be very bad of me to do he is on the list and he is at number eight Not bad 92 points Oh, I got one of them. Eight or nine awesome. Nice. Okay Damn because I said I wanted an eight or nine. I said I wanted it I had those Mozart and Beethoven But I was thinking that the way that this list might be compiled that they might not be high because of a musical element And that being dwarfed by other things, but what are you thinking? See, I I'm thinking Martin Luther No, they They said Martin Luther King, right? Martin Luther Yeah, the Protestant guy, right? Yeah, um, the other Martin Luther in the wings The person who not the king Europe for like hundreds of years Um, oh, we've all been there. Yeah, you know Okay Uh, do you want to lock in? Yeah, I Yeah, Martin Luther Martin Luther who is indeed on the list at number 21 Not bad. Okay up there 79 points wait Didn't we guess that? Yes, Martin Luther King Jr. Different. No, they're they're very very similar lives I just I just broke brain freeze for someone like wait a minute. I don't know. Okay, no problem So I have another good one we can try But I don't want to reveal it unless you guys think you have a really good one in the chamber Uh, um, let me see. So the rule is we're not risking more than one name per round Yes, we're gonna do here. Okay. I have a solid one, but I'm gonna I'm gonna defer for a moment If you feel like you've got a solid one, then we'll go with it Can you reference like what they are just so maybe we can have a just kind of just something? Maybe we can guess like I have a lot of stories possible now Okay, so now we have two games going where my teammates need to guess my guess And then you got to lock in the guest. Don't throw me in with this. I have some I I'm trying to describe it. I feel like that and even in my description that might give it away It definitely thinks it's solid. I think we should go with it. I think it's all I think it's all with it Dev, what are we locking in? Okay, you you mentioned yours. You mentioned yours. What is yours? Let's go with chairman Mao We're walking that in He's like the general dude, right? He was the I think chinese general or something Mao Zedong He was he was China's dictator man. Yeah Yeah, yeah, he should be on the list based on what we have here should be Just want to give you guys a little more time to uh have a little chat about that pick I'm not delaying it all just to make sure I'm checking everything Mao Zedong is the name just to since this guy needs more time. I also think you know what? That's not Don't It's all good confirmed. You're fine. Mao Zedong is not on the list What? What are you shitting me in my butthole? Good god unless I've made a dramatic mistake in which case we'll correct this later if I have Pretty sure he's not I'm afraid Um, all right.  Very well. He is on the list and he ranks at number 32 Okay, I'll take that not bad Just do all the ninja turtles Rapha I raise you one Raphael No, I um Just thinking of famous authors Can we slip in? Maybe an Edgar Allen Poe Stephen King like pick one of those two I think Poe is more famous than king What do you think right? I'm not sure if either of them will make it. Oh I don't know.  Um I don't know I don't know if Stephen King as as famous as he is. I don't know if that would Put him high here on this list of being referenced for things or or is every Stephen King book that's printed count as a thing for him or Um, because if that's the case we need to go with the actual best-selling author of all time So do we do Stephen King or do we go with the best-selling author? Because I'm not going to say the name obviously until you give me the okay. I think I think I know what you're talking about. Yeah Mmm. That's a rough one because that's entirely modern There I mean, they are modern. It is tricky. Uh, but if you're going to go with a writer, we should probably go with You know who? And if you give me the okay, we can go with it I think I know what you mean. I think I know what you mean A casual and neutral reminder to keep up the stream so you guys can look at your results and see if you can spot any patterns for future guesses. Oh, I'm staring at this thing. Trust me Yeah, there hasn't been many writers. There's only been Shakespeare. So maybe not writers It is a bit of a gamble Well Okay, so we let's not do it and let's save it if it's a we I'd rather go with uh, Something else that's less of a gamble Because I notice Just while considering how much of a gamble it is how much do they compare to Shakespeare in your opinion The Shakespeare like leagues ahead of those two or is it I think Shakespeare is the most famous author of all time Yeah, but in terms of bestselling. I don't think so um now I'm looking at this list. Oh wait. Hold on. I'm a pretty decent one. It's not author.  Well, I I was Let's do uh, Stephen Hawking I was going to play Stephen Hawking is I was going to Tesla Edison over him, don't you think Let's do let's do let's do Hawking You wish to log in Stephen Hawking. Is that correct? Yes. Yes higher.  Is it I forget. Yeah. Yeah, so he's got the wheelchair Oh, I know. I know. I'm just I'm just ensuring something Which uh, I have some bad news. He is not on the list.  I'm not very interested in actually picking Thomas. I have another one I want to throw out. How do you know I didn't do that on purpose? How do you know I'm not just playing my game? I want to go back to a Greek Okay, uh, who are you thinking Euclid? Hmm How do y'all spell that? E you Uh, well, you know what you for the geometry. It's probably worth snagging them up actually. Yeah this one's either not on the list or really high and I I'm leaning more towards the former than the latter, but who knows. So yeah, let's go Euclid. Okay. Yeah Um, Euc just just help me out here because Euclid Cool just confirming good stuff. I have very good news not on the list That is strange. That's not good news. That's legitimately strange. I thought that was a really good answer I'm I definitely wasn't my last agarist is on there, but Euclid isn't I Well, here's the thing path agarist makes sense Euclid doesn't he should be on the list Yeah, that's what I'm saying like the one if the one is on the other should also I feel like that's that's okay I've got another one that we can hopefully pull us back in next round There's a few that you could say that should be on the list based on someone else being on there Yeah, right. No, that's okay. Remember. We're still we're still in the lead inexplicably Oh Oh, man for a reminder team fleam with 920 points, but team grumbo running ahead with 1,088 They were negative at one point. We can't So there is jumbo There's a name that's been floated a lot that I don't think anyone snagged it up yet And we should probably snag it up. No, I won't be saying anything. Uh, the great. Are you going the greek man? No, george washington Distressed by how many people in the chat haven't heard of me.  We'll hold hands together and we'll say george washington Okay team leader Um, this is a risky one, but if you feel in your heart of hearts That uh, are we locking in why not george washington? Wait, wait, are we sure it wasn't guessed though? Um, it was lincoln that was guessed not washington. I think we guessed lincoln Okay, yeah, yeah, I guess lincoln because of course you guessed lincoln, but he wasn't even on the list. So Who knows what will happen?  Let's try it. Let's make it such an interesting challenge. I can never guess this one. Oh, yes, it's very interesting No, it does genuinely. Um, I'm in an awkward position because a lot of chat saying it has been guessed I think we did this one. I remember I was paying attention. Uh, washington was guessed washington was not guessed no I think we floated washington Now that i'm thinking I don't I feel like if you guys had guessed two presidents We would have talked about the fact you guessed two presidents Yes, I don't believe that it was guessed and uh, if we're all because the thing is i'm not keeping track of which ones were Guessed incorrectly. I'm afraid I should have been But um, so what is guess trump 20 times? I like how in chat it was scrolling by and I looked over it said what's a queen victoria near certain and i'm like, yeah, man So yes, it seems that we're all in agreement that it was not guessed and uh, I can confirm That he is not on the list I Whatever you say list maker. That's unbelievable. Well the thing is they they would have to say that's what I do Which is just we didn't make the rule. Well, we did make the rule I want to take a pretty obvious that one that should be good, uh galley layer Oh Damn you Say them out loud. I That's it's my fault for saying that loud and he guessed that All right, so, uh, okay. I didn't say it. That's literally one that kept inside. Are we locking in galley. Oh galley Yes, beautiful number 11 excellent choice Oh my god 89 points All right team fleam have a little chat because I got to figure out the maths on this Well, that was mine, so um Most written about historical figures. I have one we haven't touched yet. What do you think rags? Do you have one?  Yeah, he was upset about the walking thing one. He's still Considering that didn't work We can lock something in without rags involvement. We can drag him along with us You can because ultimately dev, it's your call. It is your call, man Just recall me. What happened with the hawkings pick. I'm not seeing it here. Yeah, it didn't seem to It wasn't even oh What what do you got team fleam? No, no, okay. Give me yours first. Give me yours first We gotta bring this back with a strong one If I give you mine, I'm gonna lock it in because I think it's a good idea If hawkings wasn't on then I think all right. I'm back. What's just happened We're trying. Yeah, we're trying to keep a team grumbau had an excellent gas Uh of galaleo and it is now team fleam's turn galaleo was number 11 Oh, that's on my list.  Well, then okay. Well, then we're we're it Do you have a really good one because I because I need to start pressing I have because somebody's on my list and they turn out to be really high Yeah, that kind of one never kind of was the one like you let's let's see yours rags. What do you got? Okay? We're caperna cus Hmm. It's not bad maybe Yeah, since the days of caperna cus man has dreamed of flight on this historic day and for those who didn't know Galaleo was an astronome Noma astros Space taffling some might say let's you know what let's try out caperna cus Yeah, I feel if galaleo was 11. I feel like caperna cus is a worthy, you know follow-up to that Are we locking in caperna cus? Sure, sure very well caperna cus is on the list and he ranks at 26 Hey 74 points and that he's on the list in washington isn't that's fucking incredible You can go through the list of how many are shocking there. It's crazy I uh, i'm gonna float another one that hasn't been mentioned yet that I think should be on here macky of ellie Yeah, macky of ellie should be on here with the evil guy who makes plans Oh, it's not actually that evil but it could be scheming the evilest He's a schemer. Yeah They name schemes after you I don't notice no one ever says gondian schemes. I think he's on there, but I don't think he places highly would be my guess Yeah, i'm not sure Okay, uh, uh, what do you think though? Uh, his name's out there now. So the thing is is that there's one Here's another one that's worth considering don't say I kind of wanted to take one that they already said that I don't think did thomas eddison end up getting placed I don't think thomas eddison would guess but i'm not i'm just not i'm not so sure the fact that like queen victoria is not on the list You reckon you know what i mean? I'm not so sure about But then again like 20th century figures have ended up on the list I'm getting so many like inventor like great people in the advancement of the sciences and so on You know Um I think I think eddison eddison's gotta be on there. So, you know, I I think I agree. Let's let's uh, let's go I feel like it could or couldn't you know, like I feel like it could be anything He's sabotaging you No, like i'm just like i'm legitimately interested Yeah, what are we locking in Thomas eddison Thomas eddison. We should have an easy counter if it's there Should we? Yeah, because I'm the one who brought that through it up When we were talking about um, yeah, go ahead. All right, thomas eddison is indeed on the list ranked at 34 Okay, you know what we're countered with then tesla counter Uh, yeah, go ahead counter with tesla.  So, um, they need an extra go. They need an extra go This is why I'm saying I swear that was guess somewhere.  Oh I thought that was what happened. I thought that was we can give him we can give him uh refund the points and do a Uh, give him an extra tune, but one problem is that I've completely forgot I was editing this the score for team grumbau and I've forgotten what this score was So if chat can you help me out? What was this score supposed to be? It was 1254 Oh, so it's one two five four is correct, right or was it one two? Yeah One two five four is what you had it like a second ago and he switched it to 1154 Uh, all right, I'm just keeping an eye on chat some of them. They Will know but yes, uh, like I said, we'll refund the points then I really blanked out myself That was a collector. That's one of those, uh, we all did we all thought it was just suggested Um, hello in my mind. They said lincoln because well, so yeah, just to clarify that means the clarified to guess presidents Inflame get to uh Gases right guesses. So you want you want to blow one on tesla? I don't think it's blowing it. I was my I feel like I don't think I don't think tesla's If edison is on the list if edison is on the list tesla should be on the list and tesla is what I think We're even hawkings. I didn't think the hawkings was a good pick Walking was a great you were wrong. Uh, it's a great If we're talking here if we're talking Since we have two let's do tesla and now rags you pick one three one for each um Archimedes tesla and archimedes You walking in you want to see the result of one and then sink or do you want to just do them both? No, I'm hitting both buttons right now. But oh my god. Okay. Well Oh Nicola tesla is indeed on the list. So congratulations. That's good. He sits at number 41 And uh, and you're doing a double whammy, right?  They hand it up there. I thought yeah, that is neat. I thought he'd be very lower. Yeah Archimedes was your second one. Did you say? Archimedes is on the list. Look at that. You've got two in a row and he sits at a wonderful slot that is four Nice nice Nice. Well done 59 and 76 dead greek murder Yes, that should be that should give you some good points. I am people matter, right? The science Science That jesse pink bin beam right now Since he has been floated and he's surely on the list. I feel like we should just take marquia valley. Yeah Uh If you want to find a way to discuss anything for a second, I'm just doing some adding um Marquia valley, he's a really you know, he's a really influential historical figure and that's that's essentially the thinking but then again So was george washington If that was victoria that they went on the left so she was walking I just want to throw her sheet Yeah, I just want to be a running trend of before The 1900s and you're probably safe that they're at least One ad you should probably Okay, the back the matter point sorted. What were you locking in there theo just to clarify I'll be curious to see where this one is I'm curious. He is on the list. Isn't that crazy? But where is obviously the interesting point and I would say it's interesting where he is because we haven't touched this area in some time 77 Yeah, that makes sense. Okay. Yeah, 23 points. Nothing to snore sneeze at or whatever they say.  Yeah, that's a good one. We might get some of our old cleo, huh? We'll check him with there Yeah, she was there was a whole Netflix series about it. Oh, yeah Netflix series should help all the controversy around that. Alrighty. Well, uh, are we locking that in there dev just making sure Sounds good. All right. Well, cleopatra is on the list at number 48 I'll take it. I'll take it. Um, yeah Now i'm thinking of another All right, do you have one? Uh, yeah, I'd like to snag a philosopher mathematician duo in reine de car Okay, that's pretty good actually. Hmm.  Yeah, that's reine de car Uh, so I just want to make a small correction. It's actually deskartis, but uh, oh my bad. Sorry. Oh deskartis That's who you meant. Well, he would well the last name was deskart But generally the family is referred to as the deskarts So normally they're just grouped together Do they have a do any go caught in I feel like it's just a deep good given right they had it back then I think so, but you're locking that in there Theo. Are you sure? Um, as sure as I'll ever be very well, you are correct and he sits at a comfy 35 Okay, not bad well, um Let me see I think we got a fine way to get that nine like make sure we secure the like the nine 18 20 like all the the highest slots that are left Well, I mean what would be you know, someone from antiquity? Maybe that kind of You got to go based on what's on the list and maybe rule think like that might help narrow it down Like what's between Beethoven and alexander hongering? I mean, I have I have a safe one that's lower If you want to just get easy points right away, uh I'm not giving up any more answers. So you you tell me If you guys have one that you think will actually be high on the list, we'll go with that But I have a safe one that I that I think is probably low in the list, but we'll probably get it I'm getting a running dry on names, but I think low and low and safe is something we could do if we were in the lead, but um Let's see. I think we got to take some risks. I'm thinking of I'm thinking of a roman emperor. So If you don't uh have one that you think is really good. I'm gonna go with him.  Um, charlemagne. We already did him We're going before holy roman empire A roman emperor.  I mean there's like one other famous one. He was in Okay Rags go ahead. What do you got? All right. Uh, I think we should I think we need to go with constantine Oh I wasn't thinking him, but sure No, rags of all the all the dc characters. It's not that popular He was actually very very popular. He sold many dvds Um, he's no bad amount of vampires. He kills a controversial guest at all, but I'm just thinking where it would rank. I'm trying to think of the lumber. It's gonna be higher. You think it's a good guess rags Let's do it. Let's do it. I mean, I've been I've been shocked before Multiple times. So who knows safe guests or high guests. What are you aiming for here? We need to go high guests because if we play it safe, then we might not I mean, we're behind So we might want to try and yeah, we really need though if this shouldn't be A risky guess. I don't think this should it I mean, but who knows I've been shocked before multiple times. So go for it. But I'm a bit. Yeah Let's go with constantine emperor constantine. He's among the most famous emperors, especially owing to christianity Uh, dad, we're looking in Sounds good. All right. That is a negative 30 points That's insane I We're locking in we are definitely augustus. Yes Augustus I was I was thinking you were going for augustus rags I thought rags was going for augustus to him. Then when he said constantine, I'm like, that's a good guess But it's not as good as augustus. I don't think I'm really glad that you went with that one Are we locking in augustus? Yes, sir. Yes. Well, I can reassure you in saying he is on the list Is it exactly number 53? Okay, that is that's lower than I thought but That's points All right team flame if we're gonna stay on this track, we should lock in um, marcus aurelius You know what that's a good choice, but I That's uh, I don't know if that he's gonna be on the list We're getting to the territory of like we don't know how high they're gonna be or if they're even on the list, but it's still a decent pick Let's try to Any more deliberation on that or you want rags? I feel that you're unheard I I have a I have a greek Uh, uh, well, I've actually got uh two but one in particular, uh But is it worth mentioning the name when you've already given away such such berries to the other team? They seem lukewarm on it and I'm lukewarm on it too. Um, I'd rather I would rather go with mine Let's go with mine this time Locking in marcus aurelius You get well, not zero points negative 30 points Relevant lately people starting to yeah, you know learn more about him one now. No, he's always been relevant He really should be on there like He really should I'm thinking Ancient here's somebody that hasn't been floated that he's got to be on the list, right gilgamesh ooh Now you've said it. I'm willing to go with it, but uh No, yeah, no gilgamesh is a fictional character. I believe yes Gilgamesh is not real Was he yeah, no, yeah, he's not real gilgamesh wasn't real nor was in kadoo or So I want to float and I don't think he was real unless my history is just I always thought that gilgamesh was just A made-up character. He might have been based on someone real maybe but I don't think gilgamesh is real since civilization six No, no, no you've scared me out of it now Some vague strategizing we have something of a lead and most of the high places are currently gone So do you think it's worth trying to reach for more obscure people at this point? More obscure people who have a possibility of actually ending up on the list because I mean I've got some ideas for that I have a few I'm pretty sure I just had one who has now disappeared from my mind. So that's kind of annoying Oh, wait. No, no, no. He's come back. He's another uh, he's uh, he's he's uh, he's greek And I figure he's got to be on the list even though there's debate surrounding Whether he was an individual or whether he was a lot of well homer. Yeah That's on my list too. Thanks.  So did you guys hear the simpsons is good again? All right, are we locking in homer? Yep, very well. You are correct and he's ranks at 28 I need to I gotta go to the washroom so rags take over for a minute. Uh, hello Um, all right. Well, we bombed the last two. So I really think we got to get this in. Uh, let's see Well rags, I really don't feel really confident But remember that Constantine wasn't on the list. I know I have I have one that might be on there, but it's depending on how you feel about it Um, but I mean we can keep going. Let's just you know, let's row.  Let's go out through all the greeks epicurus Not How I don't know this list it seems to be every Asian person I bring up just seems to not be on it So I'm not even sure because we did mal we did some too. Okay, then uh, so we can go with another one We got greeks for days Dev did say that you can make the call right rags. So Yeah, he deputized you Yeah, so you can make it clean. You don't have to wait for him Yeah, I got confused again. We're What how so I think I thought I almost said the way I do this is I do the math myself So that was our score before that helps. Oh, so what I need to add is 150 so it's well, you need to add 150 because uh Then I'd knock off the uh, the one right. Oh, right. Okay. So wait. So we we were 1378. What's uh, what? Is it 1450 Well, what was what were what was our points? Where would where did he rank? Uh, he was you had 78 points. I want to say Okay, so it was 1,300 and 78 plus boomer 72 points Plus 72, uh, so it'll be 1,450.  Um, I'm it's it's I got too many things at the same time and I keep locking up on Anything with them. Come on. I'm juggling numbers is the problem. Uh, I'm right. I'm doubted I'm just trying to make sure I'm hearing what you guys are picking as well It's 1,450 though. I'll just have my calculator up if you want me to I should really find a window for one actually Just say that's okay. Oh Us endeavoring to slow down rather than like tumbling out. It's all good. It's all good Well, funnily enough, um, I think after team fleam's choice. We're moving into round two.  Are we? Um Do you want to mention the idea right there? What are we doing here? Well, I mean, uh, that one that one seemed kind of tepid on the response so we can go with someone That's probably a bit more famous I'm thinking one that might be on the list and if he is he might be high But it's also a risky one as it starts with this doesn't start with h such with an m It ends with an m as well And he's a greek. No No, he's not a greek I mean, it's okay. You can't win so, you know Stop it. No, no, no, no. This is the last guess apparently Okay, I'm gonna I might do one that I'm just curious about because this is kind of a remat too Well, what's yours then? And thomas faquinas. I was thinking my emotu musashi good one My emotu musashi i'm curious about as well. Definitely that's a fair choice as well, but I think rags is yeah, I think yeah, I think a quinas and I got a I got a pope on my list too and But then again constant wasn't but I feel like thomas a quinas, you know every time Every time catholics hear that name. You could just hear the cum hitting the floor So you might as well chuck that one out there Uh, wait dev's not here, right? So rags has to lock in I guess Yeah, let's lock in but I'm I'm just curious thomas a quinas very well Locking in thomas a quinas. He is on the list. Nice. However, I consider this good news still, but he's 98 Interesting two points, but you evaded the 30-point penalty. That's the good part of that, right? Is that the end of this round then? Yes, now we will show move into the next though. It would be preferable if dev were here Just to make you know, you know while while we're waiting for him. Here's some uh, since it doesn't matter anyway I was thinking cyrus cyrus the great. Oh careful given that we will return to this form of play and round later Okay, yeah, keep your uh, keep your flames And your grumbos Don't be ruined in that. All right I was trying to say earlier that like you definitely made the right call by not giving us any prep on this Like I feel like everyone would have spent days going throughout the reason You know, it's for the best in a way because uh, you could trick yourselves into this this thing you learn it as you go I think whatever this list is Like I said, I am still shocked that George Washington and Abraham Lincoln on this way There's a few really strong picks that they did and a few really strong picks that we did that were just like, okay What are we doing here? Like how is this not on the list? So it's strange Is uh, is john and dev We come come back anytime. I assume john is actually here. I don't know even it's just All right, well, I guess we just got a White so that's it says in the description eight rounds. There are eight rounds Sorry, some of this is the the one we just did is the longest round at least in theory Uh, because I've never done this before as you may have noticed So We go, I guess I'll just I'll just re-explain it when they get here, right? So team round two is gonna be that uh, I'll choose two people one from each team And you could go head to no wait head heads round three actually round two Is the each of the teams. Yeah, we can do this even if they're not here for now. It'll work Uh, each team is provided a name that is on the list and you've got to guess where it is within 10 places Oh You're gonna be provided a name your team and you have to guess where it is on the list And if you get it right within 10 places you get 50 points If you're wrong the other team gets 50 points out of the names that are left or out of the names that are here Uh I don't want to dignify that with a response When you missed the first part, okay, go ahead. So yeah, just just because john seems to be back So just one more time is uh In turns the teams will be provided a name still problem Uh, and you got to guess where it is on the rankings within 10 places Um, and then you get 50 points if you are incorrect the enemy team gets 50 points So, um I think it was grumbos turn as fleam had given their last gas. So grumbo team grumbo um Uh Some of these I don't even have to pronounce So This is this is a clever way for me to knock out some of the ones that I feel like you were never going to guess Anyway, but what do I know? Maybe you would have guessed these but um, I'm gonna go with choosing first, um Elizabeth the first of england she is on the list, but where is she on the list? Um, oh, I think she isn't quite thoroughly middle of the pack like lower middle I think she's in the middle of the pack. Um, well And looking at this, uh, the problem is it's tough because she could be in any one of those Individually but it feels like playing the odds, right? Yeah, if we guessed from like 41 to 50 for instance That gives us one two three four five six chances of getting it right Um, we've got six chances of getting it right. Oh wait. No, we got seven if we go from uh No, sorry, uh, we got seven chances if we are It's either seven or six chances depending on we go with uh, 41 to 50 or 51 to 60. I'm yeah, I'm ballparking Somewhere around in the 60s to 70s. Oh, I'm back in the stick. Hello there seven days Uh, if we can take just a second to get dev caught up. So we're on round two. I was listening. I I got wireless headphones and what's going on We're basically choosing you're gonna tell us names. We're gonna choose where they're on the list, right? Correct I think I agree with you. They are that she would be on the lower Do we want to go for uh, the 60 like the 60s? I think so 68 Well, we don't have to oh, we got to get oh, right. We got to guess And we have to be within 10, right? Yes 67 maybe Wait, uh How much leeway does that give us upwards? So that gives us five up. So we don't cross over without, uh, Johannes, uh Gutenberg Right Okay. Yeah, that that's wait. Hold on. Yes. I think so, uh, do we want to go for 67 then? I'm gonna try 67. Yeah Okay. Yep. 67 being locked in and you are Incorrect. She is at 89 Wow Like I said, the the rules for this one in case it says 50 points to team fleam for that one Okay. All right team fleam your name is Alfred Nobel Hello on my list. He is on the list. But where is he? Let's see. Um I'm thinking that So we have to be within 10 of our guess, right? Within 10? Yeah, so like if you guess 65, I'll let you go up to and below so 55 to 75 Wait, what? You have to be within 10 and So it's 10 on either side of your number either direction. Yeah. Oh, okay I didn't realize that. I thought it was five on the other side. It was a rank 10 like outward Okay, he was in 10. Um I'm thinking for Nobel Wait, hang on. Did Theo, did you think it was five up and down rather than 10? If you have to be within 10 or the reason I'm asking is if Theo thought that Then I feel like you guys should have the restriction of five up and down Well, I'm I'm saying that's what I I just want to make sure the team leader. Did you think hello, Theo? Is he there? I assume if you have to be within 10 then Well, I can understand the confusion. That's all so if they thought that's what they were dealing with Then I'll put the same restriction on you guys for just one round For just one round. Um, yeah, and then I'll I'll take it off both of you Since springy did let's just assume that that the other two and we'll at least keep that restriction I don't know. I explained my reasoning and Theo seems to agree. I you know what I mean? Like I counted It's fine. It's fine either way. So uh rags dev and uh brooks you guys are dealing with five up and five down Just for this round Be within five. Okay Um for this one the Nobel prize guy, right? Yeah, you got to take this one rags Well, I like to think of him as the inventor of dynamite, but yeah, he also has the prize um, let's see I'm thinking he's in the I'm thinking he's in the 70 80 range I don't think he's as Yeah, I don't think he's as high on this list you think But I just think what's now But I'm thinking statistically we have to be within five now and not 10 So who can you compare him on the list to? Like to narrow it down. Well, there is an element of playing the odds as well aiming for those black boxes too Um, yeah, so for instance if we guessed Like 86 Or 87 then that would cover 82 all the way down to what 92 So that would be a pretty big chunk there and I don't think it's unreasonable that he'd be there But okay, let's do it. That's my thinking. What number are you locking in dev? Wait, what number was it rags? Um, we're gonna go with 87 87 87 locked in and you are correct because he sits at 91 Nice, not bad Alfred Nobel even with the restricted one nice. Good job That's actually pretty good. Uh, so that means you get 50 points. Not bad. No, hooray Give me a second while I add those. That's pretty simple And I think theo just said he wasn't aware it's 10. So this is the fairest way to do it We're all good We get double points. Yeah, you're back to a gap of 10 as in if you choose 65 you get down to 55 and up to 75 Um 10 down 10 up 10. It's it they can get confusing, but hopefully you follow. Yeah, okay. I got you All right, so I'm gonna I'm gonna give good ol team grumboa name name Let's go with Gosh, there's such great choices here Um, because remember these are guaranteed to be on the list um Why not? Mustafa kebal attic tick He's on there. I've heard of out of Turk, but I wouldn't guess Hmm I mean, I feel like that's not a high one Yeah, it's kind of this one has to be low as hell. Um, well, I mean the thing is is that if we choose 90 Then that gives us all the way down to 100. Yeah to 80, right? So I think 90 is a really Strong choice.  Hey, you know Yeah, I think 90 it has to be there's no way he's that high Are we locking in 90? Yeah You are Incorrect. He sits at 63 You're joking another Two places behind Sure, man Well, I mean, you know, I think it makes sense, doesn't it? No Yeah, this is our comeback round. Well, no, we always fumbled the bag at the start of the yeah Yeah At a Turk, he is, you know deceptively important He was the first guy to really conceptualize the idea of a secular islamic state But like he shouldn't be on the Queen Victoria is not on the list and elizabeth the first is at 89 so At george washington isn't on it the guy who created the first president of america. Yeah I don't understand the logic, but I suppose that it's an exactly logic that's to be understood Team flame Your name is adam smith the economist Adam smith is on the list, but george washington, okay I'm thinking I'm thinking I'm thinking we go 90 so that we can cover all the way So you got another 50 points to you? All right, you get you get that's what I'd guess because I've never heard of adam smith I have no idea Okay, this is like a contemporary of john lock All right, I've heard of him. Yeah, that clears it up. Yeah They're about as as important. I think john lock and adam smith So do you think the number is more important than george washington? I'm still bitter about that I think you know 90 sounds good 90 sounds good for the number pick that should be safe. Yeah, I mean, I think that's what we have All right, I think we have 50 points. Yeah, are we locking in 90? All right adam smith is Actually at 27 What? Hey, are you shitting my balls? 27 Negative 50 points. There he goes. Well. No, no negative that you get 50 points for me for that. Oh, yeah, that's right We get 50 easy question mark. I don't know Oh, wait, oh, so he's above Shakespeare, he's above stalin. He's above michael angelo. He's above shakes darwin This guy's above darwin like it just like I'm shocked darwin was that Then again based on the nature of how they compile but maybe it makes a lot of sense because he probably would have been referenced a lot Yeah Oh, that might be it. Yeah Just like how do we even account for that? He was basically the founder of economics. So maybe no, I mean he's an important figure But again, I'm surprised that like that a lot of these people we've guessed important figures one on the list I'm wondering if there's any way to account for that in the in the guessing process the way that Well, we'll have to think about that then going forward especially with that one that makes me really think that gives me well team grumbot Uh, your name is and i'm probably saying this wrong bales of millitus miletus Um, I don't know who that is. It's a good thing that you picked ones you can't pronounce. Yep All right, I explained my logic with this. I'm trying to I'm trying to nuke some of the distant ones. Okay. Yeah, we've got a pre-socratic philosopher I mean, do we do we want to go for 90 again or do you think he's behind than that? Fuck's sake, man Uh, I think he would be a bit What do you know? Uh, well, I mean if you wanted to go for 85, right that would Fuck, uh, yeah, let's shift up a bit to Hmm, um try 83 83, okay Yeah All right, we're locking in 83 Sure Incorrect. He sits at 96 Of course. Yeah, there it is Which means team flea can get 50 points Congratulations Do you like the winner? I'll take it anywhere we get it All right. Now it's time to give team flea my name, but which that is the question Which which which? I'm gonna give you a philosopher too avicenna avicenna Avicenna I'm gonna go with that Spell it out a v i c e n n a I think I've heard of this guy. I see I have not heard of him. Do you want to go with? Do you want to go with 85? Say what they were again a philosopher you said Philosopher, yes Um, just looking at where the other philosophers have ranked you think we should put them pretty high like no Well, I've heard of the philosophers at a ranked high. I've never heard of like myth Which is like, yeah, I know but even even with that being said I feel like Like of course the Aristotle's plateaus, you know, I think there is a reasonable link between how famous they are and how much we've heard of them In fact, it's actually kind of like that's what famous means really, but I think that Yeah, if it's someone that I just haven't even heard of I have a tendency to rank it lower than ones I've heard of But who knows? I mean we we there's you know, the list continues to surprise and shock With that with that thought process in mind, who do you think would be the number 40 right there? Who would I think would be the number 40? Well, I'm not gonna tell you Oh, no, no, no, just like Um, just considering where philosophers would rank I I'm still sticking with my 85 85 I think that gives us a really chunky range I think the range is good. I'm just maybe I'm overthinking it basing it on the other philosophers But just to see I think yeah 85 sounds good. Are we locking in 85? Let's go with that. All righty. That is incorrect aviciness. It's at 56 Providing team grumble another 50 points. All right. There's uh, two more turns with these as in one for two 14, you know, it's fine. I'm just gonna tell you when it's over What? Around end when I say all right So good old team grumble Where is the politician? louis the 14th of france Oh That's an interesting one Geez, what do you want me to do with that? Which we're because I've got both the louis on my list the both the famous louis Um, uh, is he do we think that he's more like in the middle? Yeah, I think he'd be in sort of the midsection. That's my thinking as well. Um Hmm, I'm just looking at this uh list here I I'm just the problem is like he could fall into any one of those uh gaps, you know between 20 and 40, but at the same time Hmm. He's probably he's probably mid right like he's probably You think I Falling in mid If we guess 57, I think that gives us a decent amount of exposure. Yeah, I think 57 or 58 I I would trend lower, but uh, okay. Do we want to try 58? um Now 57 safer because of okay, it's already been revealed 57. Okay. You wish to lock in 57 thea say we're wrong do it Yeah, all right fine. You're wrong. He's 30th That high 50 points to team fleam All right Uh team fleam you've got to find the philosopher Jean Jacques Rousseau Rousseau Uh Let's see. I've probably put Rousseau I think we should guess I think he'll be in the middle. Yeah, I think he's kind of middle-ish. I think he's in the Based on what we see with the other philosophers. They've been pretty high like mids here Yeah, but Rousseau is a name that I yeah, I like I yeah Rousseau was basically all of his writing was in response to lock So lock's probably on the list somewhere and lock was contemporary with smith They're all probably maybe like a little bit lower than smith, I'd guess Where was smith again? Was it 30? 27 Should we try to cut now? Here's the thing though. There's only look at Look at how much space is left to So we because he he's gonna be in the black area So we need to Probably maybe you know factor that into our guess The largest black area is what 60s and 70s right now. I think uh So but but I do think he'll be decently I do you think we should go If we vote Like if we can cover from 59 at least as our as our top maybe I think that seems fair That'll bring us down to let's see So if we guess if we guess 69 Then that'll give us a big range between you know 59 and um Uh, let's see to the 79. Yeah, so I think we should go there. Let's do it 69. Yeah, let's do that one 69 we locking in 69 That sounds okay. Yeah, I think that's safe. I think that seems safe Well, I'm afraid you were incorrect and it's funny as well because you noted at the beginning the middle He's right in the middle. He is right in the middle.   Like that's the first point. We're making It's hard to get they did a statistical guess to go by the black spaces Yeah, we had like 15 potentials and if in order to hit 50 We would have had to have lost on a big chunk of potentials because so much in that zone No, my my literal guess was 50. That's why I yelled out, but next one. It's all right Um, okay. Well, there's one more each. So We'll start with a good old grumble, of course Um, how about we go with david the politician? Oh wait, I'm reading the graph wrong Oh, the numbers are on the left.  Never mind David Yes, the number is on the left. Not the right Just david I'm pretty sure yeah, this is a statue It is real, uh, it would be king david, I guess. Yeah, king david Is david from down the street? I just I prefer saying david. Can you guess with david? I've gotta be uh, gotta be higher, right I want to say so but Let's see if we can inform this by any other placements Uh, the thing is where did paul the apostle ended up in 60? Is that? I'm just looking at the start I think he has to go below paul um Yeah, I guess But at the same time, I'm not so sure my track record does not speak positively of my rationales for these so, you know Everyone is like stressed out from the earlier picks Oh, this game does do that I don't know. I'm wondering if we want to go for like the middle or higher than that, you know I just don't see him being a that widely referenced figure Um It would be like church scholarship and things like that which which ads are which does yeah But if we go by that same logic, then surely paul should be higher, right? Yeah, and yeah Yeah Uh Something i'm wondering is maybe if because we guessed 43 that would give us at maximum That would put him between michael angelo and thomas eddison at maximum Does that follow does that you know does that you go to mean like does that make sense in the place that he could be? My thinking is maybe it makes some degree of sense. Yeah, um, I guess it's reasonably high Yeah There's a question of playing the odds almost, you know, whereas because for instance, we guess like I guess we don't have to guess 33. But like, you know, if we guess because we guess Uh, if we guess 28 at home, that would give us up to Wait, no, that would only get us up to if it's 10 above and 10 below that would get us up to 18 and As low as 38 that only gives us four slot the five five slots.  Why don't we why don't we say? Why don't we say more? I help me out here if I said 28 that would give me up to 18, right? 18 to 38 Yeah, 18 to 38 with an 18 to 38 Uh, do we want to try do we want to try that? We we'd be guessing really low. Yeah, let's go. Why not? Yes, I am 28 locking in 28 Yeah, very well incorrect. He sits at 81 Okay, right, right Team blim Are you ready for your name? I'm ready for my name. I'm so excited to see my name and what it is. All right, I think Well, we got we got to get some real safe picks here because this is an opportunity for us to come back on picks if they The last one we did was safe, but no, no, I'm saying continue to keep them safe and let them just like Best to guess the bad the bad ones are like sabotage. Yeah, you guys guess the bad ones and we'll guess the good ones Keep doing that That's a good idea. I like that. I like this I like that Well, again, you ignored me on the last one. Let's respect the philosophy. Your name is composer Friedrich Frederick Chopin. I think that's how it goes, right? Yeah Oh chopping chopping chopping good old chopping good old chopping good old chopping boy. He made it to the list. Okay um Because I got some Yeah, I know I got well, let's see. Um, I have no clue who this guy is Really? Oh, yeah, you've heard of him. Yeah, it's like all these famous composer guys. You've heard their stuff. He just don't know it's them Yeah, but where would he be? Ah, let's see if this guy's on the list and Wagner isn't I'm gonna be mad again Just to clarify again Here's our romantic composers. They're gonna be somewhere around Yeah, where the rest of the composers on the list you think you'd be comparable to them Focus on the round at hand Where I still feel like I feel like with this one we play it safe get that 59 to 79 range, but well actually nine well 69 is not bad here if we do 69 that brings us up to the meme number But well, no, we don't want to do that because 59 60 and 61 are taken so if we're gonna go in that range then we need to hit at least uh 52 No, because there's no point in us guessing that because the top three would be taken anyway So if you want to do 52 because I I don't feel like he'll be higher Like do you feel that's just a safe pick or do you feel that's where he'll be? I wouldn't guess it if I didn't think he'd be there Yeah, I know I know that I'm comparing to the other options that we have because I'm just thinking like I'm always going to guess where I think he's going to be Do you think it's like where that low or do you think that's just going to be the safest pick is what I was asking Because I'm saying compared to the other composers. They're all right. So it's the affirmative to both of those questions I'm going to pick. I think he's going to be 69 it's like the snitch and harry potter if you guess it you automatically I mean 69 is not bad, but since 60 uh 59 60 and 61 are taken. It doesn't make sense to pick 69 We want to go lower. I will say 69 is someone you will know at least I'm pretty sure you'll know Oh, you know him really well after Oh, no, I don't think so 50 I'm I think 52 that gives us a broad swath and I feel like so that's where chopping would be um Though he is a pretty famous composer But I still I have I have no reference. So I'll trust my other guess. Yeah, I know that this My other guess would be to cover that big middle area between 43 and 58 But it's just whether or not. I think he's slightly higher or lower and both of them seem like they would make sense to me So if if you I'm going to flip a coin whether we're going to go in high or low Heads as high tails as low All right, I got heads. So we'll go high. So that means we'll go to 53 That'll bring us between 43 um And 63 you are locking in 53 Locker the coin has been flipped Very well. I'm still team leader here rags. I came back.  You gave him Wait, did I say something? Well, I just know I was just gonna overrule for 69 for the memes Well, no, we don't want to do we don't want to do 69. Wait, wait dev team leader. Oh, we are we overruling for the memes Well, we'll do what rags suggested. What was your number again rags? I forgot it already Uh, 53 53 locking in. Yeah Yep. All right. Yeah, I let's let's do it isn't 53 Occupied by augustus. That's fine. Yeah. Yeah, it's just a center in it. Um, all right I feel bad to say this rags. You were one off. Had you gone for the memes? You would have gotten him. He was 64 Interesting Well, that was that was the other coin flip doing yeah, it said I mean it makes sense So I flipped a coin between those two 50 points for all grumbos Uh Good job. Also, I kind of I kind of feel like uh, I kind of feel like bursting the bubble of of any virgins Who might be watching People don't actually do 69s in real life. They're too much hassle. Sorry guys too much hassle Yeah What are you normally on the bottom or at top? Either way to be honest Hassle. All right. All right. So one more round of this one because I enjoy it I'm gonna throw one more. So grumba will be first and they're they'll add will be a uh a conqueror called Not that one easily uh Timur or tamer lane It's not the conqueror I was thinking it'd be uh, I'm not that familiar with him But maybe you guys are either way you got to figure out where he would be Do you want to guess like that? Like 70 to 90 Let's look Yeah, I can't imagine him scoring highly 80 seems reasonable. Um, is it worth adjusting up slightly? Uh, we could do that like 75. So we've guessed 75 before What? No chat. I wasn't thinking of hitler not back We already did that guy. We already got what watch me get just above him again. Uh, it's let's go 75 Yeah, yeah, are we locking in 75? Cool. Mm-hmm. So, uh, he was 86. Yeah every time I knew it 50 points for team fleam though not bad Uh We're gonna say just just All right All right What's our incredibly famous person that we all recognize? That's the thing. I'm actually now to make it a quote unquote fair I'm trying to find the least recognizable name that's left on this I don't know. I feel like least recognizable just throws it further to the back right like towards the end That's the thing though. Not necessarily. Some of these have been, uh, shocking, you know, you just never quite know what mysteries will be unraveled um Let's go with Yeah, why not the historian Herodotus That's on my list. That was the other Greek. I was gonna say we should do Oh, it's gone now rags Well, he's also lost in rogue legacy. Um, let me see Oh, wait. No chat brings a good point dev. Are you referring to 69 on your sides or one on top of the other? Yeah, be specific Um I gotta be honest I don't think I've ever seen anyone do the on the sides one except for for yeah It's it's it's a much lesser done thing But I was wondering if that's maybe how you were familiar with it And so that's why you thought it was a hassle, but I don't know. Um, so back to Herodotus I'm thinking I'm thinking Herodotus is going to be decently highly Uh, so I'd like to cover the area between 39 and 59 I think that's the way to go. I think he's going to be decently high If he is high, that's a good safe zone to pick for Yeah, but here's the thing if he's not high, that's not a safe thing to pick Well, you're confident you're confident that he is though. That's what you're gambling on, right? I am I am Confident is such a strong word I am a scary word I would not be surprised No matter what happened But I feel in my my little doggy bones That that I that that he's going to be decently highly because Herodotus is a decently well known, you know, Greek name So I I wonder if I've heard of him before because I feel like I've got zero reference for that one Really interesting really, um, I don't know why It's fair enough, uh So if we knock out 39, uh at the top of our pick So do you want to go with a pick in 49? Cover is a decent amount below it too Sounds good What are we locking in dev? I'll also chat adults don't do 49s either What's a 49? You'll learn what that one your older eggs.  So you just got him Hooray Congratulations. That's another decent finally catching up. Yeah That's that's the end of this round, right? That is the end of this round, which was quite I want to know what a 49 is I did all we did was just give them lots of point They did catch up a little yeah, that's true All right, native american rituals and tradition 49 You're right Oh, I see I see I need everyone to be listening for you. He's busy. I am less. I'm listening I just figured out what a 49 was Okay, I'm going to pick two individuals one from each team Then I'm going to say a name And ask basically whether they're on the list Yes, or no and you can shout Martha in order to be first and answer first And if you are correct, you get 50 points if you're incorrect The enemy team get 50 points Wait shout Martha. Yeah, I mean it works. Why did you say that name? Martha is the equivalent of ding I guess Yes, it's a ding so, uh We'll start with good ol, uh team leaders. I guess this will be between dev and theo now just to be clear I'm going to say a name And then you'll have to ding in with Martha and tell me whether or not that is on the list Can't can't we just say yes? No, if it's no, we're not going to say so can't we just say yes, if I hear so I I needed to be clean So you got to say Martha first Because if you shout yes and no's at the same time, then I'm going to get confused If I hear Martha's I'm going to be looking for them green rings. See I'm just making sure so I don't have to concentrate Whatever weird you may have said so Are you uh, are you ready? Sure, I guess All right, the name I shall provide you wonderful to is Stephen King All right, Theo, what do we got? No, I'm saying he's not on the list That would be Correct. He is not on the list I mean, surely. Well, you all floated earlier in discussion, but yes, he did not make it to the list Remind me. Napoleon's not on this list, is he? Uh Yeah, yeah, he's 12. Yeah, I would I think he was a bit older than that Stephen King is on my like Low list. I've got my decent list and my low list Stephen King's on the low list So I'm not surprised that he's not there He really rules out a lot of people All right Abraham Lincoln, it's like, you know who's more famous than that Stephen King Next up he was a king Rags and Fringy Yo, here we go. The name is James Cook Martha Rags, is he on the list? Yeah. Yes. You believe he is. All right. I believe you are Incorrect Really James Cook is not on the list Wow, thanks for the 50 points, but that's insane. James Cook isn't on the list Captain Cook is on the list. Nope. Well, at least not according to me Obviously there's room for me to have fucked it up That's that's fascinating. Captain Cook is not on the list all the time.  Carl? No That is incorrect. He is he's number 95 Definitely Oh really that low. Yeah, he's quite he's quite down there, but uh, he was interesting I thought he'd be higher if it was me. I would have worth a yes immediately, but Alrighty So that the next next set we'll put uh good old We'll go dev versus uh, fringy All right, you guys ready you guys ready? Yeah All right Lance Armstrong Martha All right dev is he on the list? No, he's no You're correct. He's not on the list Hey, man, I give the power of Martha to both of you For some reason I didn't say Martha of course he's not on the list all right so Next we'll go I guess The reverse of that in a way so it'll be Theo versus rags The reverse of that would be if we say Martha the other person has to answer No, no, no same rules. Don't worry. Okay. All right. Okay. All right. You guys ready? You guys ready? Here we go. Here we go. Here we go So ready Jimmy Carter Martha I think Theo got that first. Yeah, I got it. Oh Theo. He's not on the list. I see you are incorrect What? Yeah, yeah Wait a minute. What? Definitely. We're gonna have words list, right? So Sorry He is at 93 politician president Jimmy Carter Why what are you doing there? You're telling me that George Washington and Abraham Lincoln and sun suit. Don't forget him.   I'm gonna so so Ronald Reagan. It's got a few of these clothes there, right? Dude, what's this written? Jimmy Carter Jimmy Carter of all people That means yeah, that means a few other people are certain. We find out that Gerald Ford is on the list James Garfield the dark horse I'm not off Uh, all right, until we start getting to the ones with faces on our money. Oh, we might really have some bangers there Rags every time a transaction takes place. It counts for whoever is on the money rags and john Here we go. Wait, did I give I think I gave points. Yeah, okay No, I know I'm gonna get to all of you. There's a there's a set at least I'll desperately try to make sure I hit the full set Oh rags and john, here's your name. Here it comes Lewis Carroll Martha. All right rags is Lewis Carroll list He's not on the list. He's definitely not Rags Rags said no, did he I couldn't like I'm sorry. Okay. I have not I have not answered I thought you did that sir more than that. Wow for a gas light Martha quickly Didn't he just say hold on. He said Martha. That's it Uh, all I said was Martha Rags is playing careful. Yeah, it was just all right rags Lewis Carroll on the list or not Yes You're going with yes, I can tell you Lewis Carroll is not on the list.  Yay Technically John really got that nice work That is insane It's bait. I might as well just be flipping coins at this point.  Well, I don't think I've gone against uh, I've been going against brooks. All right bringing in brooks. Let's go Yes, ready for this.  Yes. All right. You sure you want to walk that in. Okay fine. Well, yes, you would be correct God, I think of any president It would be on the list. It would be Jefferson. Yeah, you reckon it would be Jefferson even I mean, he would be really hard on that list as well Yes, I think thomas jefferson would be Jefferson did a lot of shit Jefferson's 51 Carter is 93 Washington doesn't make the cut I gotta say there's a lot of ones on this list where it's like really and then a lot of ones that were More so it was a lot of people who weren't on the list. It's like really jimmy carter Jimmy Carter. Yeah, that's gotta be the shocker of the whole list jimmy carter. What are you doing? Come on All right, um, I'll take those points. Yeah, thank you very much. Have we had dab and fring you haven't been done yet, right? No, we have You have or haven't the second one that I did. Oh all right Who hasn't gone against each other if you can remember I haven't gone with john. I think All right dab and john we could do that. Let's let's do it right now. You guys ready? I was corrected on the rules by chat. So I know what i'm doing now. Sorry I Okay, dev john your name is Muhammad Ali Dev what you got? No, he's not there. He's not on the list. You're saying Yep, okay. Uh, you are wrong. He's 57. Come on dev. You don't know boxing I don't know how famous Muhammad Ali is. He's that was the locket Dude, I'm disappointed in that one I'm disappointed Muhammad Ali is world famous He is world famous. He's yeah, he's just one of the most famous athletes of all time We've guessed so many world famous people that haven't been on the list. I was like, yes Muhammad Ali is but Muhammad Ali is very famous He transcends boxing like that's an easy one. I I can't believe I did yeah Even people who don't follow boxing, which is easy for everyone knows that category Uh, is there any pairing I haven't done though. I'm just trying to I haven't faced Theo yet. Yeah. Oh brooks and thiew. All right. Yeah, we can do that. Bring it on All right, the name you guys have been provided is Is this blaze Pascal Yep, let's say that's the one The famous wager. Ah, yes Martha Theo go ahead No You are incorrect.  He's he's above Aquinas and paul Really that's that's interesting and above Machiavelli. I should have answered. Yes No, no, it makes sense. It makes sense. Above Jimmy Carter. Above Jimmy Carter. I mean to make some love less since you haven't still I should have answered yes All right round four The teams in turn will be provided three names One of which will be on the list and they have to figure out which of the three is If they get it right 50 points if they get it wrong The two remaining choices will be provided to the other team and they can have a chance at winning that 50 That will make sense Yes, that does make sense. All right, we can start with team grumbo And your selection will have this is going to be a little bit difficult because I got to get these ready ahead of time um So You got George Orwell Mary mother of joseph And taylor swift Jesus christ Bro So I'll uh, well if you want to write it if you want to write it out. So George Orwell Mary taylor swift One of these on the list. Yes. Um, man, I feel like I feel like it's mary, right? Um, I would say that Yeah, that seems like I was I was thinking of that when we were initially doing the uh the rounds I feel like it's got to be mary. It's mary or I think Orwell should no would Orwell make it on Oh, sorry mother of jesus.  It's got to be mary I'm wondering. Yeah, no It's got to be mary. Surely. Yeah. Yeah. I We have other guys I think that's what it is You're going for mary. Yeah I can tell you you are indeed correct. Good job. Yay. Yeah, why does she place out of curiosity? Because I think she's got to be really high mary places at 33 Yeah, that makes sense. I was thinking about her as one of the possibilities for the list, but hey, yeah All right, 50 points. Yay. 50 points indeed. Oh, no, the Orwell's not on there. I would have guessed it Yeah, I actually that's why I put that name there. I was like, I figured he would do it Orwell is uh Orwell's on the list Yeah, yeah, I should definitely remember we should definitely remember the ones that get ruled out by this round Orwell was a possibility for sure. Um, but then again if jimmy kata is on the list, maybe tell us Exactly You should really it's it's not a matter of like Jimmy kata or anything It's just jimmy kata a one-term president from the 70s that if you asked a lot of people now They'd probably be like, I don't know who that is Rags you freak me out. Did you say that he was on the list? What are you saying something? I said, no, George Orwell was on mine. Oh, right. Okay.  Add you're looking at the list? Like why are you looking at it? But okay, we're good. We're good. Okay. We're good. All good. Okay. So let us construct another One wonderful question. Give me one sec.  What do you think? John lock is who I would go for for being on the list Yeah, I think so too. Let's do it. John lock. John lock. You are correct Oh Okay, so that means that steven spielberg and uh, who was the other one jane so jane austin's not in the list No, which you know, if that makes sense it does. Yeah, I mean, of course it was john lock Yeah, no nintendo switch eating for you deb Uh I guess we're going back to team grumbo Uh, just give me one second to find Something that maybe can make it a little more difficult, you know Uh, that should work out All right Hey moller, yes, you got to make one of the answers movie bob Well, he's probably our mystery number nine, right? No, good night Between Beethoven and alexander the great team grumbo. Are you ready for your three names? Mm-hmm Margaret thatcher mock twain jr. Tolkien Oh, uh The fact again that jimmy carter is on this list means that thatch has got a real chance. Yeah Who cannot so who was that again? Margaret thatcher mock twain tolkin mock twain jesus. Uh, I mean, I feel like of the three I feel like it'd be mock twain Yeah, possibly that's kind of my thinking. Um would be would be twain uh He he he's the fact that he's so Because like a lot of his books, you know, like huckleberry fin right? That's just one of those things that's kind of like a staple I mean, I'm of course not downplaying lord of the rings and its significance It's just that I feel like if it's gonna be anybody it would be he's small Embedded in the literary space. So it's always such a huge. Yeah. I yeah Plus his sister shinaya Was yeah, very famous. Yes, it's gotta be mock twain. Yeah, I I think we can I'm willing to discount thatcher Um, yeah, I basically am I'm I'm just gonna leave jimmy carter like in terms of him being on the list out of my rationale It blows me away that link is not on here, but jimmy carter is I don't understand that Um, but yeah, I'm I'm feeling twain. Yeah, you're going locking in with mock twain.  Um Yeah, but regs, right? You have to remember regs the rings of power. Yes, that's true rings of power. Yes, um God dang this is basically a coin toss for me You know what? I I think I'm leaning towards thatcher Yeah, I'm I'm leaning towards thatcher being the one because of the political angle And I mean obviously jr. Tolkien is very well known But would that mean anything on this list? I think that thatcher would be the one that would fit this list more Because you know the political stuff the history element. Um, I think it's thatcher. I think we're feeling it's going to be token I'm I'm thinking thatcher Are we locking in thatcher? To be fair, we do also have to consider uh lord of ringgall. Yeah Another influential work That game this weird gut feeling is going to be token, but your logic is sound. So yeah, I think it's thatcher too All right thatcher's locked in and you are Incorrect jr. Tolkien ranked at number 80 Well I mean, I'm okay with him being on the list I I guess now with the thinking like all three of them could be on the list. I guess I'm just surprised at mark twain didn't uh Now that he's been flooded. I guess Jimmy Carter's on the list. Jimmy Carter's unless a not market thatcher I guess not Like specific study as compared to twain. So I think I think there's a fair argument for all three of them on us. Yeah That was a really difficult one. Okay. All right team flame might win for references It is still it is now even though that was technically you doing a turn it is now your turn. So Your three names are uh, Arnold Schwarzenegger and Tony van livenhoek I guess that's correct And elizabeth the second It'll be the guy you couldn't pronounce either him or No, it'll be the guy you couldn't pronounce I'm guessing the second one. Yeah, you wish to lock in and Lay when hook would be my guess as well because of the Because you know mauler. There's there's no way you just yank that name out of thin air It's it's on. I'm impartial. I say nothing Little okay. That's what it is. I'm locking it in Yeah, are you sure are you sure you could lock in anything are you sure now? I could lock in anything and I'm locking in this all right the third one again It was Arnold Schwarzenegger and Tony van livenhoek or elizabeth the second No, love for elizabeth. Nope. All right. Are you sure all about the lock now dev? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Well, you're wrong Wow Okay It's elizabeth. It's elizabeth the second. Yeah Which I was thinking that she would actually she might be yeah, elizabeth the second team grumbau Are you locking in elizabeth the second? If it's not elizabeth the second i'll eat dev's switch You are correct Elizabeth the second yeah on the list I thought so he's ranked at 45 So that's really interesting to me because I could see her getting on the list. Sure, but like victoria is not on the list So so mollard, where did you get that name? Both elizabeth's but not victoria. I use the power of google dev. I use the power of google Okay Okay, so i'm devising for grumbau if you just give me a second I shall get you one so challenging You'll never defeat it or something free up. Okay mob Talk amongst yourselves so I can set up two actually All righty boy. What a list. What do you guys think of the game talk about that list? I like the game a lot. Yeah, the game is certainly interesting Even even the occasional moments of absolutely I feel like I feel like i'm interacting with a black box, but i'm doing so in a way that's enjoyable I suppose I'm bad with this subject matter.  It's skewed towards historical people It ended up roughly adjacent to popular culture. I would have been the deadest of weight I've heard of taylor swift I don't think I can pick her out in a lineup though It's like all these famous singers like I know that name, but I don't know it's like is that one for as many instances Is there a bit of like wow really? I mean, obviously a lot of these make sense You could pick out on the list who you might be wondering why they're there perhaps Yeah, and it's just the omissions which I guess is interesting because now it makes me wonder like what What people are going to show up on this list that haven't been guessed yet where you go like oh, of course I mean, there's a few I've written down I've still got a list here of some figures that we might be able to get who might show up All right. I've constructed four more rounds. So that's what we'll do I guess and then we'll go to the next round Wait, who was the team I just did sorry Uh Would have just done um flame right that was flame. Okay, so it's back to grumbau then just make control Yes, all right team grumbau. I guess wrong. So we got your three names are Helen keller tom cruise and augustine of hippo Augustine. Yeah. Yeah Are you locking in augustine augustine? Yes Very well you are correct correct. Yeah. Yay Augustine was one of my guesses. I was saving so Not bad. Well, I don't know if it would surprise you or not. Uh, where do you expect him to be on the list? Um, reasonably high Uh, let's say 25. He's at 94 Really? Really? Just the low jimmy carter I guess if Aquinas is down there that means he's down there as well All right team fleam your three names Norm mcdonald jk rolling and nelson mandela Mandela right mandela You're locking in against mandela Mandela, are you sure? No, I'm not sure Now if tolkins on if I was sure I'd insist If if tolkins on there, I think jk rolling's on there mandela should be we all know norm should be on there Yeah, it should be norm, of course, but how could you not norm jk rolling is my second But I think nelson mandela is my my primary pick Well, last time I chose something I fucked up. So I'll go with your judgment rags Don't Yep, I'll blame both of you. I'll blame my subordinates. I mean, that's fine. Yeah, I think it makes the most sense So all righty then locking in nelson mandela Yeah, you are correct at 72 nelson mandela. I I'll take I'll take credit for this as well That you affirmed our decision. That's important. I mean as has been demonstrated some 20th century historical figures are making I'm really surprised that martin luther king Uh, didn't make that list but jimmy kata did the jimmy kata did. Yeah, that's true. All right team grumbau Your three names are stanley cubrick saladin and j robert arbenheimer Saladin Yeah, saladin Are we locking that in? Yes, I agree All righty, you are correct dimondo Let me just show you where he is which is 87 Yeah Yeah, I didn't I didn't think guys are quite the big deal Wait, where'd your score go? Oh, it's like falling off the screen. Wow.  I think beauty pie for the memes I think I'm leaning towards um, freddy mercury I really I am. I think that is music the musical stuff. I just think that it's going to be huge, but It's I Because a safe pick just for the What we have a mercury Um, those are the two that I've got it tossed up between in my brain I don't know. Um I just I mean I just feel like I'm just going to flip a coin on this one Yeah, go ahead Hitchcock his heads All right, I got tails so Rags that's a rock paper scissors it I just flipped a coin I just think it's just tokens there hitchhawk. Oh, hey rock every sick because we're on discord Yes, that's a good job. Okay. What did your coin toss come up with? tails What does that mean? I was ready mercury Pretty mercury. Let's do freddy mercury. Are you sure you want to log in the mercurator? Yes Well, sounds good to me. I can tell you you are correct Nice. Nice. Which is a good 50 points, which is pretty good too because he's at 99 Oh interesting.  Yeah me so uh round five I I give names to these by the way, but I don't think they're relevant Uh, this one is the same as round one Except after a discussion and use your choice of a name if you get it wrong the enemy team gets 100 points What wait, hold on a second mauler mauler you just gave their team our points All right, hold on. Did I I watched the stream? No. No. No. What did it? Yeah? I mean the last thing I clicked on was fleam. No, we were 2050. Yeah, we were 2050 Maybe I'm just leave behind of the stream. Okay. I feel like chat would have flipped out if I'd done that. Yeah Wait, so can you explain the rule again? Sorry? The it's the same as round one except now if you get it wrong the enemy team get 100 points Okay The stakes have been raised Someone just said so the points mean nothing. Uh, this is the Why do you mean the points mean nothing? That's how you win the game I Was if you wanted to argue that all the points up to now meant nothing you've got 20 2050 1873 that's that's a pretty good numbers to have even at this point in the game. I'd say um Oh, man, now I'm just okay. I hear this. It's our turn first, right? It would be because we went last. Yeah, because you guys went last and we okay. Um Now that freddie mercury's on the list I don't know. I'm thinking that uh, there might be Maybe there's some singers that we should be considering and there's one that I'm thinking of Who I uh because if he's like it's pretty much on the list No, not Sinatra Yeah, there's an easy one that I think one Oh, there's there's two easy ones now that I'm thinking Maybe three No, two. I think that's too easy. There's I kind of want to um, well it depends so it's uh Because I guess without without giving away what those choices are Uh, what what sort of time era is the one that you're thinking of? Okay, so I'm I'm going in a I'm going way back into the past and they are not a musician Oh, okay, um I feel like this person has to be on that Well, yeah, because maybe we should maybe just ask Maybe we should move past singers for now and and think about okay. Um, who are you thinking? moses Oh You know if mary's on the list, I feel like moses has got a I said that I think you might have john, but I'm thinking you know what I think I agree I think I think moses moses will be on this list actually Do you might be minus here number nine? What I don't think moses was a real person Um If i'm not mistaken, that's somewhat disputed You definitely parted the sea. I'm just saying We know that but uh There's the the story of the pharaoh and the hebris in egypt. There's no archaeological evidence for any of that So I don't know if that has anything to do So I just let you know so I you know Um, but why would he be telling us that? I feel I feel like moses has a real shot of being on this list I don't know like he feels like if you think about you know figures that people know about like religious figures I feel like moses is really high up on that list at the risk of getting reverse gas lit by rags Yeah, I think i'm happy to I Yeah, I think i'm okay. Oh it sounds like we were locking him in so here we go moses on the list. He is number 18 Okay, which uh, it's just at this point is a guaranteed 100 points for doing that. So nice. Yes Dude, I really yeah, I that's that just seemed like a real likely choice All right, cool. Thank you team fleam. You're up All right, so remind me of this this rounds just so i'm clear and it's same as round one Yes Yes, I just had to go look it up. I just had to go look it up. No moses isn't real Well, what do you mean? I don't know that you could I looked it up moses doesn't exist. I don't know that you could determine that We could move on we could move on nothing in it exactly. We got the points get over it your turn I have um one that's probably possibly a safe pick, but probably not too high So what's the safe pick? Um, see now, I don't feel like it's safe just when you said that. Um, I don't know Famous magician just since Muhammad Ali is on there. I'm just on moses note. Okay, um, michael jackson. Is that possible? No, we have to we just have to get someone on the list Yes, if you get anybody regardless of just like round one how many times Okay, so Yeah, there's like there's there's two musicians. I could see being on the list. Maybe three Are we talking about musicians in particular? I had that was my pick Mercury's in the list. Yeah, I think it's there Yeah, I think michael jackson should be on this list if uh mercury's on there and Muhammad Ali I feel like we could do I mean, well, I mean shouldn't we pick someone like like Churchill or Maybe henry the eighth I go with hose over Um, I'm just going based on what's on here if mercury's on here. I could see michael jackson being on here Mercury is barely on here if if I say king Henry you just get all of them Oh, true. I don't think so. I think you'd have to specify. Oh, yeah, I'd ask which one. Yeah Uh We're out of that was my list here boop does on there that was on there that was on here. Um I mean, I I really am not keen at all on michael jackson. Michael jackson. No, not at all He's the king of pop I'm just going based on like well, Henry was eighth was the king of england I Pop England is kind of similar king michael jackson the king of pop I mean I mean, I think the ones that I listed made more sense and if we get into Um hyggle and can't and people like that. Um, you think mercury's more You say that so confidently Um, but like how I don't know how Henry the eighth might not be one. What about Hammurabi? Um Harambe I mean st. Peter john paul the second. I mean Talk it. I mean just just listen to all rags dump. It doesn't At this point it's just like we're just throwing stuff out there at this point. We filled out so much of the list It's all gonna be in that isn't it isn't it more important now than ever like you need actual guesses, don't you Well, I just I really don't think michael jackson is I think he's more famous if it's two to one that i'm out voted so Yeah, I actually think that michael jackson's a decent guess Just considering mercury's on the list. I think he's more famous than him. I do think he's more famous. Are we locking in michael jackson Let's lock in. I'm thinking harambe No, i'm feeling michael jackson. Yeah Whoa, it's zed team Dev, yeah, you got it. Yes. Yes. I said yes. Yes. We're good beautiful. That is 100 points to team grumbo No michael jackson. Yeah Okay, god dammit for the record. I think it makes way more sense for jackson to be on there than mercury, but whatever I guess I understand the logic. I don't get it And you think michael jackson has a chance. I just don't get it I think it's worthwhile since it's all it doesn't matter where they place And it's only about getting the points that we should just pick people who are like surefire bets I mentioned the long time before do we want to uh, I want to this one I want to take one that's probably got to be on there john calvin uh Wait, I don't know who I actually don't know who that is founder of calvinism You made that a prominent John calvin made it up Okay, um He had the stuffed tiger of harbs Uh, you know what? Yeah, I mean if you said you said that uh Well, because montan luther was on the list right and he was uh luther's on there, uh calvin has to be on there Uh Again, who knows All right, I mean do you gonna make any switch threats? John calvin Locking in. All right. Here we go. That's 100 points for team fleam. Nice one. You're gonna be serious No, calvin. No calvin. Michael jackson doesn't surprise me at all, but the calvin one's pretty surprising So so this time we're gonna go with a ragsian answer and choose church hall Oh, is that ragsian? Are we locking in dad? Yeah, that was your last one. So we gotta go. That was one of that was one of my suggestions That is true. Yep. That's what we're doing locking in winston jachel. You are correct And he ranks in at number 100 Oh right at the end. Oh wow barely that's you got him though and it counts for 100 points now Okay, uh So i'm gonna go ahead and say, uh nature Yeah, down with that Yeah No, uh, no, no deliberation. All right, nature.  You know, I want to make sure I get it right. I love you guys I want a bigger picture. He has a cracking mustache All right, you are correct Yeah, we're ready. He is at number 82 That low Damn that low. Yeah There he is. I would have put him higher below john lock. Ah, I'm sure I I've