Hey everyone, today is Wednesday, March 31st. Welcome to the SMI community meeting. I'm going to be monitoring today. My name is Michelle and Bridget is going to be taking notes. Thank you Bridget. So we have a few discussion items today but it's a light meeting so if anybody wants to introduce themselves at the end or once and bring up some ad hoc discussion topics, you're welcome to do so. The first topic is Lee's topic. It's about the KubeCon booth and office hour details. Take it away, Lee. Just in time. Very good. Well, I work at HPE now. And so, even though the background may, yeah, no, no, it's a DockerCon, you baby. Bridget was probably sitting right next to me at the... All right, I apologize. Hey, I just got some, I just got details on the virtual sessions that are available to us and the, well, I'm sorry, the breakouts, the office hours and the virtual booth that will be available to us. I just put a link into the meeting minutes and so that might be something to share here briefly. So just if it is, time is against us. I think there's a, I'm not too, I'm only like a day tardy and sharing this info. So please don't kill me as I say that some of the materials for the booth would need to be, I guess the deadline is this Friday. So there's, I've kind of copied and pasted nearly all the details into the, into a shared Google doc that hopefully all of you can get to. I think as you digest what's in the Google doc, probably what we would strive for, and I realize this is maybe a lot to ask of the, but is to have some amount of coverage in the booth or see how much of that we can try to cover. The office hours. So, so the project booth off hours are listed in there. Hopefully we would get enough maintainers to try to have a person covering most of the time but the materials that we would leave behind for people to pick up as and when, or watch a recorded video would have you it would be, they're in the absence of any of any of us sitting there. There's, as a sandbox project we're afforded up to two office hours or up to two sessions. Kind of a question to all of us, they do we, we're looking for one of those or two of those. And do people have an opinion on the format of those. Or should they be about, you know, should we do two and should they be the same or should we do one. So it sounds like we need people to sign up for all these various things so there's a link in the notes. And Michelle has a great idea Michelle you want to add that. Yeah, I was just going to say, we really need it like flagger has a semi support, like sort of.  Oh, oh, Nick, do you have a demo with like the latest SMI. Did you contributed to flagger. No, but actually the only thing that needs to change in in flagger is the provider name. So it should be a really straightforward I've been meaning to sync up with Stefan. Currently if you use like the link a deep provider. Yeah, just leverages SMI but it works beautifully, as long as you can support. I think it's like API version one or two of the service splitter, which if you use the new SDK quick plug, you get the automated conversion webhooks so even if you're running version for it, it just works out of the box. Cool. So do you want to work on the flagger contribution do you want me to help with that I'm just trying to figure out a place where I can help with this stuff. I think I was in. Oh, as they get down dinner. Okay, it's fine. So we'll talk to him when he gets back. All right, so we have a sign up sheet, you said, Bridget. In the Google doctors. Yes, there is a link in the meeting notes and I am also dropping the details doc that we think you created into the notes of rent the chat of this meeting, but it is available in the meeting minutes. And so this is all the info and we, I guess, need to get people to sign up for these office hours. Yeah, the other thing that we can do is maybe like two other things we can do one is, I just grabbed the template for cube county you and put it out there for all of us to figure out what slides we might want to talk about over the office hours, and or potentially slides to also loop through in the virtual booth. So a little some of the wording and the instructions a little bit confusing as to how many different videos could be shared in the virtual booth, because some of that, like some of that is stated in terms of your sponsorship level, not necessarily in terms of your project level. So, I'll clarify with the organizers about that. Also, I've sent out an clarification on, there were five passes included for both staff. And since we have more maintainers in that. Okay, what do we do in that case and sort of ask essentially ask for more twice as many. And I think some maintainers already have a coupon pass though so like I have I have one already from presenting in the maintainer track for how, for example, Michelle, what are you going to say. Nothing. Okay. While I do have the floor though, I just added a needs maintainer comment to the doc wherever we still need a maintainer to sign up so please comment if you can sign up for that time. Okay, so I think the calls to action Lee are to sign up for the booth and to. I think it's a sync with you async on who can do which slide. I think it, like, in my opinion, just from doing these in the past, it helps to just have two or three people from the group to people really ideally to just do the presentation rather than spreading it across a bunch of people. Would you be down for that strategy or do you have another specific way that you want to go about it. Yeah, it I agree, just like it, just like a design spec like somebody's gonna write some one or two people need to write the thing everybody else can comment and change and. Okay, so I guess you would just need one more person like one partner to kind of pair with on presenting and doing this presentation correct. Oh yeah, please, I thought you meant writing it up but you mean also also like walking through the slides and speaking to it yeah that sounds about right as well. Okay nominate Nick. He's like, uh, no. Happy happy to do help help however. Okay. Cool sounds good so that is good. Lee anything else on on that. Just the Friday is like, hey we'll try to get the kind we'll try to do this post haste. Okay, so then. Do you need the booth signups before Friday as well. I don't believe no. So just the presentation before Frank. Okay, great. Okay. Thank you. I'll review the slides as well. Okay cool. Next conversation is about the SMI controller SDK project, which has been moved over to the service mesh interface because it was donated or service mesh interface GitHub org. So it's donated by Nick Jackson. Thank you Nick. Thank you so much for your contribution. I did get a chance to review it left some PRs and some issues. So we can kind of like work async on how to, you know, do the next steps had a build error that we talked about earlier. And then I also added a contributing doc and like all the, you know, the OSS hygiene stuff. And then going back to the build. Oh, actually, two things I wanted to just discuss quickly. One is governance and like PR reviews so in the contributing doc I just put in that that PR needs to be reviewed by you Nick before getting merged, which I think makes no sense because you're the one who build a project and has the most have the most context on it. Is that cool. Yeah, 100%. So it's pretty predefined what needs to be done in terms of getting that to the same specification as the the go SDK. So maybe if I tackle maybe creating like a little project, because, because of the different ways, the different sort of implementations for the different bits of the spec. It's totally possible to do all of that async as well. Maybe we if we create like a little roadmap of what needs to be done. And then we can just like I'll put my name again some stuff if you can work on some stuff Michelle, you know, and we can we can kind of figure figure out how to divide and conquer all of that. There's also work that needs to be done around the go SDK to do the conversion webhook stuff. So with all of that, it's, it's pretty easy going it it's, it actually makes a really great first contribution from for any go programmers or folks who are learning how to program go and would like to contribute to SMI. We can maybe walk through walk through that. And that will be done by coupon. Yeah. Specifically, I think around the the bits that you you need for for support. Thank you. Yeah. Yeah, so, so, like, why don't we do that. Well, I don't know, really, but yeah, anybody, anybody who would love to start contributing. I would definitely love some, some help around specifically the the conversion webhook code that needs to go on to the main SDK. You know, ping me around that and I'll happily show people what needs to be what needs to be done to implement that but it's, it is just kind of converting one object to another, using the sort of the coop builder interfaces and things. It's a great opportunity to learn some go as well if you're interested in doing that. Awesome. Well, Michelle, Michelle wins. Anybody else who wants to contribute this welcome to actually have some new people in the community who would be great. I just, I just really want to help with the SDO stuff so anything I can do to help move the SDK, the controller SDK or the SDO thing along would be please just tell me what to do. Awesome. Well, let's let's chat chat async after the after the meeting. I'll fix the bug, which I'm pretty sure is just a reference and I'll get that uploaded for you. And then, then we can chat because I can put some time together tomorrow morning to to work on some stuff as well and maybe get the first of the initial PRs from my private branch. My, my fork of the go SDK merged, merged upstream. It's, yeah, it doesn't impact the go SDK, which is a good thing. Like, it's not going to have any breaking changes for anybody who's using that but it just gives us the ability to do those conversion works was just sweet. Sounds good. Okay, cool. I'll sync with you. Anybody else have anything on the as my controller or the SEO adopter that they want to bring up. So one more quick question which is if there's any further people who've come and talk to you guys about the security piece, because the six security group is interested in those being separate, but you cook you. You conflict with their weekly meeting for the CNCS security. Yeah. What, um, what security piece are you specifically referring to having it so we, there can be plug and play of authenticators with the service mesh. Oh, okay, okay. I remember that issue from last week. Yep. I think we did correct me if I'm wrong but I think that we were talking about that we were saying, I think we landed on this might be something that the implementation handles rather than SMI or did we want to kind of further explore and propose. A way for people to plug and play the off piece via SMI Nick Lee I think y'all were involved in that discussion as well. I'm going to paste the issue to 13 in here. Let's all just take a minute to read the issue and kind of collect some context so we can have a better discussion about it. So I see there's a need for spiffy. There's a need for SMI to support specific spiffy identities. That's cool. So technically supporting spiffy identities would be really easy, because that's that's all implementation. It's basically the provision of a string. And the creation of a type, whereas we have service account we would have spiffy ID. We would also say that if we were going to support spiffy ID. We need to support some form of gripping or globbing within the spiffy ID because the spiffy ID is obviously composed of the service identification. The unique ID the service the group etc etc, depending on how you, you cut that up. So potentially for for to make spiffy ID you would need to have, you know, a way to kind of say it's this part of the spiffy ID either the domain part or the the service part or as I say, there's no hard rules on on how you define that but it's just a URI so regex with a URI based syntax would would probably work. It makes sense to to me to support that. I don't know whether we would need a filter and, and I don't know. I mean, I'm not against the idea of the extensibility my, my concern is that with filters you're starting to talk about implementation details. So it's, can we create a method that allows to to not worry about implementation detail. So the problem that we have when we start talking about the sort of the hard coding aspects around spiffy ID and I'm not saying it's a reason why we shouldn't do it but it's when you have to bear in mind. Not all service measures use spiffy ID as their, as their identifier. So if you, if you have a traffic target which depends on a spiffy ID. You break the ability to have a portable implementation of SMI. So that's that, you know that that's not necessarily a problem depending on what your use case but it's it's certainly something that that should be considered I think. Like, if we supported spiffy IDs, like the simplest solution would be, in my opinion, to add like in the sources list you can have kind specifically spiffy and then you have a string, and that's like the easiest way to do that. I see what you're saying about portability, but then do we say oh you have to like embed the spiffy ID in a like service account object or a secret object or config map object because that seems like a barrier to entry and like, I don't have a new Kubernetes object for and also like, you know what if folks want to like not use Kubernetes like we were definitely going towards like hybrid scenarios, at least on our side. So, um, so that, that's the topic on to its own about SMI like I'm happy to hear you say that kind of thing. Sorry to interrupt. I just like it but it's just been stated like so, like front and center on the SMI spec page that like the word Kubernetes and how centric it is and how that's something that I'd poked at Brendan and gave about a couple of you know, my year and a half or whatever a couple years ago whatever it was that but yeah so I'm supportive of that statement Michelle and kind of the same thing that Nick was articulating around Marlo's use case or the use case is described in the issue being really intriguing to me or like interesting and like yeah why hey why wouldn't you know SMI as a you know have a spec that covers this kind of a thing that it's in entirely a coincidence but the fact that I'm wearing an HPE shirt is like is weird because of the interactions that I have with folks there. The, the spiffy folks that are there have been keen on seeing spiffy inspire but you know spiffy as well. They've been represented across all of the service measures and supported by them and so you know as a project that you know that sort of I don't know that the project represents them all but to the extent that it does. Yeah. So what may be helpful is to get a couple of them to come and talk to this meeting. I'm one of them being Frederick who's already commented on there and and have a discussion. The issue is that this does conflict with security and this is a security thing. So it may be useful to have a one off. I think it's very sensitive supportive of of adding. I think the other identity, the sort of adding spiffy identities that the key thing, sort of for me is, is not whether we should do it it's can we do it in a way that creates portability. And whether the answer to that is yes or not and if the answer is you can't do it you've got to accept that with security portability is, is not possible. Then all we need to do is just document that as a, as a decision and we forge ahead and, and create a spiffy type. And I think, I don't know, what do you, what do you all think. I mean, I think it's probably worth creating like a draft of a of an identity and how it would be used and maybe just get some thumbs up on that issue and if it's, if it's acceptable we just merge. And I think Michelle's proposal around the, the, the sort of the extension to the, the grouping for the splitters. Yeah, like some stuff in the SDK would have to change but I don't think that that's an issue. I like the idea of kind of going with that simplest approach. I think anybody disagrees on like wanting to support spiffy identities, or really any, I mean there's going to be a multitude of types of identities we should support. And even in the spec it highlights that we only support service count for now and we want to add other identities. I think at this point it's a matter of a proposal. I think that's pretty, I think a simple thing. I'm happy to help with that Frederick, if you want to do that you're welcome to do that. And from an impulse implementation perspective just to kind of like go into, I think how we would implement it is, we would essentially if, if there were a spiffy identity and like our implementation didn't support it we would just throw an error in the, in the docs. Nick is that how console would essentially implement it as well. Yeah, I think so I mean so console does use spiffy IDs but we don't expose them to the end user. So it's, it, it wouldn't, you wouldn't actually be possible for a user of console service.  And we can't find services which exist for those IDs and I think it's just a traditional validation problem same as we do with the service accounts. That brings up a good point like who actually exposes the spiffy IDs to the end users and I think SDO does if I'm not mistaken. Maybe it'd be worth looking at other implementations that use spiffy but regardless I'm not like opposed and I think we should be adding a multitude of identities. Anybody else want to chime in on the this conversation. Yeah, I think that that particular section there's two schools of thoughts here and they're both likely to be used in both environments. I think that it is important to have something where you can have a transparent mode they're just going to be applications that have no understanding of spiffy they don't care about it in security is around the network is the infrastructure problem. They may have their own tokens or things that they drive but they don't really care about what they're what they're running on. And then you have other environments that they're looking to drive that identity down to the application level itself. The application consumes and validates at the TLS layer itself and applies its policy and it makes decisions on what to do with the at the L4L7 layer even with including things using like the JWT token so spiffy can do a X519 or JWT that's signed by that same X519 certificate to to use as a token and you set the audience as to what you're communicating with. So there's there's multiple paths towards that but some of the some of the infrastructure that that I've been looking at is less about how do you identify how do you create an identity within a cluster, but is more and is leaning more towards how do I identify. How do I create an identity for a workload in a, in a, in an enterprise that I can then use that identity to validate against services that are not in my cluster that so I can do cross cluster or even cross organizational strategies that are holistic for the whole organization. And one of the big problems we run into right now is that all of the identity strategies for most service meshes are they weld identity to the cluster. And when you try to do a multi cluster identity, it's, it just doesn't, it just doesn't work. And so that's, those are some of the things that I'm seeing in this particular in this particular space and I think there's a lot of value in trying to work out is it possible to do something that the SMI yes we do something on identity, but also in the long run, if there's a way to help guide people towards a global identity strategy or at least a company wide identity strategy, then that would be highly highly valuable. Yeah, I mean, I think, I think we have to be careful about implementation.  And I would recommend folks, folks use that but I think we've got to be appreciative of other methods, just for a very quick bit of context that the reason behind service mesh. The other service account was that it was down to the implementation to do the ID look up based on. So you would basically look for application instances or pods or whatever, which, which use the have a service account applied to it service obviously you can control the application using our back etc. And then the implementation would would look up the the actual underlying ID. But you're 100% Frederick that falls down when you're outside of Kubernetes and we you know I think it's valuable for SMI support broader picture so I'm totally supportive of this if you want some prior art look at for before Kubernetes existed things like his tricks and Netflix which service messages are a downstream or the descent for that. And you'll see that that was originally a company wide strategy, not a lot of cluster strategy, and then the way we developed service mesh within clusters was a hyper focus of those technologies into a single cluster so in a way it's, I'm not saying it was a bad move it was smart for for what they did at the time and they saw but we're running into the strengths of those bigger paths, and I also agree it has to be the best case scenario is it's something that we can, we're not dictating implementation, and I don't know what the right balance of that is like that's that's going to be a fun area. So it's, I think it's not finding that flight that framework that allows you to, to do either that if your service mesh doesn't really let you do that then you don't really have a choice but if it does then you have the option to, to bring that into into the picture and plus striking a good balancer is going to be important. Yeah I mean, I mean if you coming next week right Frederick. Would you like to draft a PR on what you would like to see with with traffic access control and maybe we can talk about it in the next meeting and just get that rubber stamped and merged. Would that be cool. I'm happy to put together some some material and see what we can do in that in that particular space and I think this is something that we have to look at it oratively I don't want to just draft something and throw it out and say okay it's part of the spec and I don't think you're suggesting that either. But, but I think it's an area that like I don't, I don't fully understand everything that in terms of where you're trying to set SMI from a level. So getting some help on that would would be as well I'm happy to write material here and to provide an understanding of the problem and to propose possible solutions towards that. Yeah that'd be excellent and you know feel free to DM me if you want to bounce ideas of me and obviously I know Michelle like I'll volunteer Michelle as well. I can always volunteer me. Hey, we're at we're over time. But thank you so much everyone for a great discussion Frederick let's, let's definitely talk via slack and also post on the issue just so everyone can follow along. Next week we have a discussion on multi clusters so this is super relevant for that as well if you could join and if anybody else who wants to join that please see the slack channel for more information. And does anybody want to moderate next week. Volunteers for moderators next week is our one off Michael Michael already said he would volunteer. Oh, awesome. The week after that. Okay, the week after that does anybody want to volunteer. Nick does. Oh yeah. I'll take notes. Thank you for it. Alright, have a wonderful rest of your day. Thank you so much for joining and we'll see you next time.


to call the meeting to order or it's actually the town forum to order it is 630 so do we have any additions to the agenda for the town forum no do we have public comment of course this is public anyway uh no we'll say no and now we have a review of in discussion on 2024 town meeting articles public comment will be allowed on all articles the first thing that we have for an article is article two which is town officer reports so they're not accustomed in the past to go through the select board reports page 14 on the town report um so basically i scroll down through it though does anybody has anybody read it or do they have questions specific questions before i go through it or would you rather i went through it first i don't hear much or forever or forever old forever old yeah i had a little bit of a question oh that'd be perfect i like it um could you say your name for the record please yes michael tops it from uh from an easement failure from uh coming through yeah it's a little bit of a process question this might not be the appropriate time to say it but i'll say it anyway since i've got the floor um why doesn't this meeting take place tomorrow at town meeting why not combine the two what's the purpose of having this meeting today this evening and then town meeting i guess i understand the logic so there's comment and then you vote but so i think the statutory we required to have the town forum oh i see yeah and separate from yeah yeah yeah and it has to be within a certain amount of time of the time yeah yeah thank you and okay so to expound on your question no you're not asking me to but i'm going to anyway because i like to talk i like to hear myself he does is that we used to have the town forum at the elementary school on saturday but it was really really poorly attended and it was hard to ask all of us to give up our Saturdays to stand up there and nobody came so then we moved to doing it at our regular slack board meeting on on monday evening before the town meeting so as you can see the place is not crammed with people yeah right but to to expand upon what what you're saying yeah i mean basically the purpose of of this is just to go into more depth but any questions to go into any depth what do you mean more depth well i mean isn't this usually for asking questions yeah right but some of these same questions can come up tomorrow yes yeah but some of the stuff you don't discuss i mean all these articles do we yeah they can be grow for the special well the budget oh i guess we can discuss them all all the articles right this is kind of a time we couldn't but now yeah one time we couldn't right yeah i thought that was kind of yeah the pre-meeting was to yeah expand upon more and just especially if you're kind of new to town or or issues that you really want to find out a lot more in-depth information rather than talk about it for 20 minutes for background isn't am i correct or not yeah i yeah and i don't wonder why we do have it because you could discuss them all tell me and it's been helpful to us in the past i know because we've gotten questions that we don't know the answers and then we then we go home and we figure it out and we call each other desperately on the phone do you know the answer but we might make up an answer town for them and then we oh Jesus that wasn't the right one so we go home and and you know get more accurate that's what you're going to do tonight absolutely i'm not going to sleep tonight makes sense thank you for yeah yeah thank you for asking question yeah anybody else have any questions before we kind of go through the town report our town select board report that's published in the town report on page 14 and 15 and okay so we have a few new members on the select board um zoe's been filling in for judith i believe and then we got scott on the board who took amy's position i ran you ran i wasn't right i ran yeah i was i was elected and was there a meal just those two and nick is on the close left oh nick well he's just been appointed this year so he was to take john jewitt's yep as as was so yeah as was the way to take jewitt's position so ever-changing faces on the select board yeah uh and then we have a new hat a new municipal assistant jessica adams then we have patricia as the municipal coordinator and patricia is leaving and we have somebody else we just hired and we have a new zoning administrator because tyson had to go help rebuild the business capital grounds and we have mckela on the zoning zoning administrator um i guess that's it and the road crew doesn't have much different many different members we have a part-time road crew steve thiebenberg just part-time and of course we had the flood that um jenna's been working on with fema we had we were lucky we did not get the flood problems damage that cal has had in other towns we still had enough we had enough damage that um it's been quite a process for the town road crew to fix everything up and not everything's fixed yet because we're waiting for fema to help us out with this and that so that's an ongoing process um so we have spent some arpa money if anyone has any questions about arpa um here there and everywhere but i'm willing to answer questions about that without getting too specific at the moment and the other project courses where we've um got some sketch plans coming to replace the town garage which we would like to do but of course that's subject to approval of the town spoke so there is information coming on the project but we don't have much yet there's still a still developing the sketch plan um and that's about it one thing that um our current town administrator has really helped us with is budgeting so we have a fairly small increase in our cost budgeted costs which has been um which is a really good thing uh jenna is um our town administrator and has done a great job with our budget it's kind of remarkable very very good job it's remarkable what the order of increase to the taxpayers what we're recommending it's small and thank god it is it's remarkable because the school stuff but um really like to applaud our town administrators off our efforts done a great job so um i think that's it i'm i'm ready to answer questions nothing okay great a lot of people a lot of people so that was article two the next one article three is replacement of town garage any questions okay is that i have a question is that the town garage on templeton road yes it is and it's small it was originally built part of it in the fifties i think it's been added to multiple times um it should be replaced it's expensive yes yeah same location you know tweak it a bit maybe closer to the road um it may be slightly configured differently it'll be bigger uh there may be solar panels on the roof we're proposing that it would be there i mean this is nothing's a done deal it has to come to a vote and recording in progress okay so it would be roughly same place yeah um any other i don't see anybody's hands up so the next article is the fy 2025 budget we would love to answer questions about the budget i don't see any do i see article five property tax protocol this is when you pay your taxes the date the dropping the door when does it count when does it doesn't count nothing don't be late please don't be late closely but we always ask what's late okay article six kelog hovers library appropriation no questions article seven four corners school house association appropriation no questions article eight east bomb player signpost appropriation nada article nine east bomb player trails incorporated appropriation hearing nothing i will go to the next article Montpelier senior activity center appropriation there'll be somebody at town meeting to just to answer any questions about this i believe usually usually there is and they said this year that that would be um the next article 11 is twin valley seniors incorporate incorporated appropriation there's usually somebody at town meeting to answer questions about twin valley article 12 central vermont home health and hospice appropriation we have somebody from there here to answer questions tonight oh tonight yeah oh on the zoom yeah blackboard this is erin clark and i'm resident of east montpelier but also a nurse at cvh hh so i don't think that we'll have somebody at town meeting to represent um but if anybody has any questions or if you want the input on the significant contribution that cvh hh makes to the east montpelier community and the care of its residents i'm happy to answer any questions well i think that um you did make a presentation to the slack board um back when you came in and um we as a slack board probably can answer some questions if they're fielded to us at the meeting and um i feel pretty strongly that this is a very um worthy um appropriation for the town or ask of the town so i know that i will answer any questions i can at the meeting so if no one's there we can we can we can we can do something positive all right can i ask one can i ask one question what is your new what is your new address just out of curiosity for cvh hh yes um so we're still at 600 granger road um okay technically in berlin but our address is barry okay thank you any more questions and the reports on page 85 yeah it's in the town report so um so i'm gonna move to article 13 if there's no more questions article 13 is a rural community transportation incorporation incorporated appropriation that's the bus service um no questions don't see any uh green mountain transit appropriation that's where they go right to people's residences it's a different service um and bring them to wherever they need to go seniors or other people that don't have a way to get somewhere um that's different than the bus service that operates for the public the general public so that's where the two differences are so article 13 and 14 really go together they're covering the same service along route two it's just that rct uh runs some of the buses and gmt runs uh the rest of the buses on that route and then as Seth said uh in article 15 it's a completely different service it just happens to be run by gmt yeah that's that's embedded in the funding requests the one that you were talking about yeah yes they said that we can go back to people's health and wellness and central remote home health and hospice on those pages why is there no dollar amount listed on pages 82 and 83 for an appropriation and the others all seem to have dollar amounts if you go to page 82 yeah i'm going to go to maybe i don't i don't see a listing on either of those pages for a dollar amount i think it's gone yeah i think it has to do with the fact that it goes to all the towns and some dollar amounts are different for different towns so how are we going to vote on something that we don't have a dollar amount what do you do with the top meeting warning oh it just wasn't published in here right it's not published in the war it's published in there in the warning the report's not specific to each town yeah okay it's a fit called efficiency scale okay okay okay you push the button and it goes to all the towns all the others have have a dollar amount i know that page nine of the report has a warning yeah page nine thank you for that clarification sure that's okay okay so can i go back to where i was what's that you know whether they plan to change their fees or um any of the fees for ridership i don't think they are i mean that's the impression i got when they came in um that they weren't changing the fees for ridership i think do they even charge they haven't been charging since the beginning of covid yeah and i think gmt did not rule out starting to charge again but they did start to charge you i think their new position is two dollars per ride okay gmt's doing that i believe this one doesn't have a rct charges rct has since before covid gone charge free right okay yeah their rationale was they thought they could increase ridership by uh and the charges to passengers were a pretty small amount of their total income right right i think that the individual that was in here was talking about they were going to institute a fee at some point which they have gmt not right they announced it recently i believe it's two dollars for every ride it used to be four dollars for a link ride which is a further distance but i think i heard that they're going to try two dollars for any ride okay okay is that is that clear uh verification thank you okay um okay so the next is article 15 funding request study committee recommendation for appropriations to organizations and that's a lot of organizations um so if you want to go through them yeah you sure can can you provide a little background it seemed to me odd when i looked at that you know very sometimes very small amounts yeah to different nonprofits clearly they're serving uh members of the community wonder the history of how that happened that we're kind of making appropriations for the town in such small amounts to all these different organizations i don't know so okay so so what happens what's happened is they were all fine instead of just voting each one individually because as you can see there's a lot of people a lot of organizations asking for small amounts of money right they got put into the funding request total right so and they and they put a cap on so it can't go over 25 000 at this point it used to be 10 or 15 or 10 yeah 10 but then they raise the cap on so now every year the funding request committee or just town people they come in every year oh you know what are you how are we going to do this because sometimes you get more and more requests yeah so basically what you have to do is you have to kick out a big one and that gets a stand alone okay and then the small ones still stay in there and you just keep them under the 25 000 so that way you don't have to vote on each one individually on the floor that makes sense yeah but the but the thing is that um you want to anything over 25 000 goes to Australian ballot right so yeah okay so do we have any questions about these requests specifically under the funding request uh total amount here there's 33 requests so i believe we were told by the funding request study committee that every one of these organizations uh got in this list got what they were asked asking for well a lot of them didn't ask for any more money exactly it was kind of surprising yeah now what you could do on the floor and this has happened before is you could pick out one of these organizations and you can make a motion which happened and say i'd like to give blah blah more money or less or less right and that gets to be complicated but it has happened right so interesting yeah you can't pull something out yeah you could pull it out and say i want to give them another thousand bucks yeah let's go we do have less than $1,100 between the total here and the ceiling yeah you couldn't push it over the cap that's the thing yeah yeah some of these organizations i know are required to obtain money from their towns yeah that they serve yeah yeah yeah right so any questions on the funding request um committee's recommendations here i don't see it okay um at the business okay conservation fund we assume those are conserved lands but but there's no there's no narrative to explain what those are i believe we have somebody in the zoom who could explain that well i can start on and then so on 27 you are i'm looking at 27 47 oh 40 so anyway the fund the conservation fund was set up to match a request saved from vhcb from a housing conservation board and the land trust so say say somebody wants to conserve land these monthly so the land trust says okay we'll give you three hundred thousand dollars but you're going to have some money coming from the town for to help to show that the town is behind us yeah so that's why we have money in the conservation fund because someone could i mean it's happened many times and there's a list of the conserved properties in this i'm not sure what page it is and it lists the properties and the money that was given to them and then they pulled in money from my housing conservation board or the land trust is it a percentage or not usually a percentage i don't know how they is i don't know how they get that does anybody know how they get that amount i think it varies from project to project yeah i think it does too i mean if you look at the numbers it's 32 000 in 1990 dollars for the first one and uh five thousand and twenty twenty dollars for the most recent one so if a new one came up would it come to the town vote or what would happen no it would come to the conservation fund committee it is a committee of people that would make that decision but that's an open public meeting so people can come to the meeting express their dislike or like or whatever or the support of the project sir a little clarification too is that uh we tried to keep that funded around 40 000 from way back and we'd spend it down we didn't want to ask too much of the town uh we'd spend it down on on worthwhile projects and then as we needed it we'd ask for more but of course it had to go through the select board we were advisory to the select board so we haven't asked i'm not on the board anymore but uh around the committee but we've i think we've been pretty uh responsible in asking for what we need and i think we've done a lot to uh help keep east montpellier looking pretty rural and nice so it's been it's been a good fun and i can comment on that also it's my understanding project with um with the land trust um with any land trust they're very competitive and we have a beautiful town but there are lots of beautiful towns in vermont and so they look at what they can do in terms of putting a budget together can this town can this town assist us in putting a budget together and i know east montpellier trails also always had money that we contributed to every one of our um to the projects that we participated in so it just makes it's i don't know we used to say sweetens the broth it makes it more doable because they look at us as a town that is this is that we aren't new to this and we're happy to to move on it if we need to charles and nona would you be so kind as to state your names for the record sorry charles johnson nona estrin thanks for doing this one more question again michael thompson from east montpellier yeah um so it's a it's a reactive fund rather than a proactive fund yeah it's a that's right somewhere that wants to conserve a right some property or the land trust yeah would come to the town exactly the town's looking for right new properties to conserve yeah exactly just in addition to having this fund available to respond to requests like this we are often asked to write a letter in support of the project so that other funders know that it fits in with the town plan that that also sweetens the broths to use notice too so we're at uh any more questions because we're kind of going through the all the articles so i have a couple of questions yeah by me and it's it's related to roads but it's not roads per day it's the sides of roads i've noticed two things one uh we're doing a good job of paving despite potholes and whatnot but every year there are these great chunks that come off the side of the road that pose problems for cars that veer a little to the to the side or bicyclists and i i was i'm not an expert at all i'm not even a an amateur about this but it strikes me that as we keep paving adding new new asphalt the road gets higher but the the what do you call them the uh the edges the uh shoulders shoulders the shoulders get lower and so when a car gets to the edge it heals off a big chunk of of road i've noticed that in several areas on town hill road and it seems to me that is there any way to provide some shoulder like either gravel or a slope pavement because i and then what happens to is as that those chunks get torn off erosion starts and your big gullies on some of them are right on town hill road going down toward route two there's a good example it's perennially eroded and it's causes not only a bad surface but a danger to cars as they as they get off and bicyclists right so that's one one thought is there anything we can do as we as we're paving to improve the shoulder so there's neither the the break off or the erosion issue so that's one question i have should i wait for the other one yeah let me answer that quickly as i can and then maybe add to it but generally when we repave we do build up the shoulder but what does happen is especially with heavy rain gets washed away so that section of road you're talking about scheduled to be repaved this year now we may not just add i mean we're going to grind down some of the pavement so when you say we just keep adding to it that's not exactly accurate on every road because some of the roads get foam agged which is a grinding up of the existing pavement and that gets added to the sub subsurface underneath the pavement that's what we did to county road last year we ground up all the asphalt it got reincorporated into the base and then we put new asphalt on top of that so we don't always just shim and overlay which is what you're talking about when you add now on cherry tree road this year we're going to grind it which means we're going to get a level and then repave it if we you know if we do it which we're trying to do it and then we add material to the sides for the shoulders what you're talking about to fill that in but there's problematic in places where it's on a hill and you get a lot of runoff especially in a year like this year we had so much precipitation so you know mother nature is working against this now the only way to really solve that is if you extended the pavement over the shoulder right so you know i don't know if that's in our plan really but we could look into it yeah as far as extending that pavement out so you have a like a bicycle lane or whatever yeah there's a few places where it would make some sense especially on the corner you're talking about in cherry tree where it heads down the hill down there that's always a bad spot right right that's a good explanation says thank you and um this is something that we've all noticed i think right uh you have a i just wonder if you ever stay awake at night worrying about the way the rainfall has become so damaging well i do as a farmer i can tell you that right now i don't know about rain is a problem heavy excessive rainfall is definitely an issue oh yeah yeah so my my second question relates to the mangler as we affectionately call the uh the tool that cuts down the brush on the side of the road oh yeah i continue and i think nona does too continue to be really upset by the the appearance and what it does uh ecologically to the road sides it's um it's very unsightly it's very uh damaging and it opens the it opens the shrubs that are being and the trees that are being cut down to infections but you know from various sources and so we were wondering if there's any way we can avoid using that tool in in place of having you know people you know maybe we maybe there's some federal money to hire people i know this is hard but uh to go out and do this manually so it's both employ you know we have employees working for us and they're earning money and also we have a better result of on the side of our road and i know we just bought that mangler and and uh it's valuable to us but i think there's certain roads that are particularly vulnerable to damage and those are the roads that have probably the highest number of native wildflowering shrubs which also provide fruit for animals birds particularly etc so the you know there are a few roads in town that have really lost a great deal of value both the wildlife and to to people in town yeah but not every road i mean obviously in some places they're really useful but i wonder if there could be some tweaking of the use of where that mangler goes i'm not sure what you really call it but we do call it the mangler it's a roadside it's a roadside mower so i'll just answer that quickly because i think that some of the comments that you're making about you know we'd have to look at the spots in town more specifically but i'll tell i'll give you an overview of the problem that we have is that when you don't do it with a mechanical machine you are resorting to hand labor and as someone that employs people every day to do hand labor it's impossible to find people to do that so when you have a road crew that's aging they're not going to be out there with chainsaws every day that's it's a hard ask so then you've got to employ other people to do that hand work and that's hard to find and if you're talking about trying to get a grant from the federal government to hire people to do that good luck so i'm talking about what you're saying we can take that those comments and apply them to certain stretches of road it would be helpful if you could identify those and we could see what we could do you know to do less damage to this native species they're there but i can't promise you that we will stop using that i understand all those worries and and they're worries for all of us uh that you the ones that you mentioned that the difficulty of getting people to do the work i one of the ways around that is to have uh you know to ask neighborhood people to um you know we've talked about that on on brazier road at the lower brazier road which has lost all of its beautiful native flowering shrubs since the mangler came in and we were thinking you know we could we could do that we could do that work we're old and creaky but we could do that work and you know i mean i don't want to go into this too long because it's just an idea but um yeah i hear you and um i'll talk more to the neighborhood here and we'll see what we can come up with okay that sounds good because i'm i'm willing to go with you to those those stretches of road that you're most concerned with in trying to identify better ways of dealing with you know what we need to do deal with on roads i mean i i don't mind doing that one little bit because thank you see the center et cetera but i do okay i think it's worth mentioning also that one of the advantages advantages that we saw in getting that was that we could get out and cut the chervil before it that goes to seed right we were trying to i remember that and i was all for that and that is a good good yeah yeah of course i have a before and after picture of of the situation right here in the lower road here on brazier so i don't know it might be useful thanks for listening yeah thank you both for listening tiny things we do have in my neighborhood we do have um you know people who live in the area who go around and they pull up the chervil by the roots and we get to do that as well it's a form of green up yeah oh yeah hey folks thank you thank you thanks we have a question upper left upper left yeah is that my hand hey sets me carl please charlie wanzer here hey neighbors how they want to you have the floor hey while we're talking about environmental issues i just want to make a connection between the the rainfall and climate change and uh anticipated new town garage and i'd put a plug in for the solar panels on the roof but as carl and other folks would know if we can make the uh the carbon footprint of the new structure like as minimal as possible and and make it up kind of a showcase uh you know town municipal structure that'd be that'd be wonderful so that's that's my comment there is so andy shapiro is on the um yeah kind of the committee it's a ad hoc committee and um this has been a constant uh discussion about you know the carbon footprint of the materials being used etc etc yeah i'm sure definitely um taking in the consideration every day we'll work on that sketch i'll bet i'll bet you folks with pros and i'll uh i'll catch no thank you for paying attention and keep this on our toes uh yeah we'll keep you on your toes there set oh okay uh any other question comments i don't see any of you no somebody has something in the trap that was that was him and my son so how about on the select board we've got full slate of select board members here do we have any questions about town stuff i mean i actually had a question from uh with jenna and it's about the tax rate um and i don't think that jenna's had any more information on it you start to publish that kind of roads or whatever i'll just oh are you talking about roads now well i'll just go back i actually um on my run this morning a in one of our constituents mentioned the um the mud on north street and comings and difficulty with a non four-wheel drive oh and i said that i would bring it up i mean it could be it could be there in our select board meeting because as long as sure a lot of people here hear what you have to say coming sir is pretty nasty yes uh as you know i live on north street just not too far from you to take comings and i said that i would bring up the road crew was working diligently i know that they were working on on comings i think a little bit oh yeah but then to make the road crew is certainly aware of the difficulty again but as colin i were so i almost got stuck in the driving over here today can i comment on that yeah please do okay so because i'm familiar with roads and i am a road commissioner so okay here we go i'm bringing it it's another month season we've had like six and the roads are horrible and it's nobody's fault it's just a bad mud season my private road is horrible right now it's like what can you do the road crew is aware of yeah difficulty and the roads yeah i am they're doing what they can as as one of their servants i am bringing it forward and bringing it to the attention oh of the select board and of the chair thank you so much oh we have a raised hand oh somebody on the zoom first okay yeah yeah you have the floor i just have a question with regards to um the tax rate and the municipal school budget yep and effect on the tax rate for that and what what's the recommendation of the select board for assistance and keeping the tax rate kind of even and that kind of thing okay so page 17 town report so that's the page i'm looking at and so if you look at the fy 2024 actual tax rate this is a municipal tax rate 72 cents it's going up to 75 cents correct and that's a pretty small increase the rub comes on the school side of it and that's not that's out of our purview and out of our control where i am willing to answer any questions about the municipal tax rate i'm not willing to talk about the school tax rate because that's not my well it's also out of our control it's out of my control our control i know it's out of our control and i can't speak publicly about it so that's my perception so there you go so that's that's what you have any other questions came on that because our the municipal tax rate is going up three cents and our town administrator has done an awesome job on keeping and working on the budget and i don't i know that we can't do any better than what we've got right here we're proud of what we're presenting yeah i am a hundred percent behind our budget and the three cents that we went up and uh you know as i said before our town administrator did a great job on our budget so expenses go up we're in a very inflationary economy stuff is going up unfortunately we're controlling our expenses as best we can but the school side of it is out of our control okay thanks yeah tom as i've said before i think you guys did a wonderful job on the municipal side of the budget i don't see how you've accomplished further without cutting services and as far as the roads i can tell you i travel all over the state believe me east not pair roads are beautiful compared to a lot of them yeah right that's true oh we have a great story thank you top we have a great question in the chat we have a macalister yeah hi all i'm curious about the town office staffing changes without getting into personnel stuff can you talk about how we're taking care of our staff responsibility and structuring the town office uh that's a hard question so some people have chosen to i mean so get specific we had the municipal is that the courtier position jessica adam was living in hydric so she was living um too far away she got a job offer that was closer so logistically it worked out better for her to work closer to home um it wasn't the pay it was just the travel and then uh patricia canna is leaving now because she's um happy doing the job likes a job but um she's got um family to deal with in texas so she's got to move down there and take care of the family so those aren't really anything to do with what we're doing here they're just because life like that um then we had um tyson leave our zoning administrator um did a great job it's just that his family needed him in the family business so he had to move on to that he liked the job it wasn't that busy um so i don't know is that really had to do with any culture in the town office so those are three employees that have left in the last year um who else do i have to do or speak to is what it is the slack board um you know we've had some change in the slack board but it's it's mostly because um people's lives have changed and it's a volunteer position and uh you know it's not always a priority for people to move their lives around their volunteer positions they they move their lives around their plans and the slack boards and add on and so uh anybody that's on this board that has chosen to step off they haven't done it because of anything that's going on in the office they've done it because their life demands are have changed and you know the slack board is not a priority it's a volunteer position so or they're moving out of town or yeah that's what i mean yeah they're moving out of town so they're gone so people aren't going to say i'm not moving out of town this year because i'm on the slack board or state or etc only i do things like that so anyway uh so kevin asks a question does that answer your question kevin or not what's he listening oh so it's something you read on still listed being on the zoom yeah it's on the zoom there thanks okay all right any more questions yes any comment about cherry tree paving yeah is there a plan or a thought to pave the whole road or just the portion that's already paved i think you meant town hill road you refer you said cherry tree hill road you said cherry tree talking about all that's right now it's town hill road i'm sorry okay and then just the apron would be paved on town hill on cherry tree yeah yeah yeah yeah but that that's a bad spot it always is on that corner it's well that whole road considering it's an artery through school it's pretty bad shape well let's get it just that one spot it's not the whole road i'm talking about the whole road oh cherry tree you want to see that page the i worry about it because it's an artery through school right it's not going to be because pavement is extremely expensive in a lot of different ways to maintain huge so i know myself and have made no push to get more roads paved and i doubt that anybody else in the select board eat it would because the huge expensive it depends on the cost of place oil i don't i don't want to be in that game and gravel roads are a lot cheaper to maintain i do know that they have the drawbacks but oh well we live in the country previous town administrator mentioned to me that this was something that was looked at many years ago as well and i believe the residents on that road were not in support of that road was was what he told it always increases the speed too yeah that's why oh there's always already complaints about speed on that road oh yeah so every road you see anyone that's driven county road prime example yeah of what happens yeah so so anyway yeah this is the way i'm hard to be like uh yeah you're like on cherry on cherry tree hill road yeah uh zoe's grandfather told me once that would lose the drive on cherry tree hill road that have four planks and then they would drive over the four planks stop the car get out stop the car yeah so so it's a lot better shape that he's a lot better story than that so could you could you say your name for the record please thank you mr well don well speaking it was probably 30 years ago maybe that the town actually voted not to have any more yeah right yeah so there you go yes ma'am or sir sorry i didn't know who the i was connected teeny tiny question but since the format form is open a little bit yeah there's a wooden street sign on the corner of Cummings road and north street yeah more than just there well i'm just talking about that one which is very nice but it's sort of rotting and you can't read the pain anymore and yeah i and i understand it's certainly not a priority but is there a plan to update or paint those posts not painting they're getting replaced with 911 reflecturized blah blah it has to have the metal post if it's so long it has to have two metal posts it's a reflecturized sign oh i like well that a lot of people said that but the wooden one falls down it's replaced right with if it's yeah it can be replaced it it will be replaced and then i believe it's a requirement of our federal funding that we replace those things when they when they do for replacement we have to replace them with a 911 yeah yeah signage but you can't read you can't read the vertical signs either yeah so then there was a movement of foot to sell those old ones old posts i don't know whatever happened to that really yeah i remember me yeah yeah so if you would like to get that put your name on it or you know what you could do is you could take it i'm like i've covered night okay that's a felony problem oh that's right oh sorry um who else do we have any more questions huh mr. dwayne you have anything to comment i'm just wondering uh tomorrow when um there's going to be the report of the county officer so you're going to present that i already did tonight but for tomorrow oh i'll do it again okay well so i will call you weren't here i'll call on you to do that sure that's of course if that's of course if you're elected i was elected last year yeah oh for this year yeah so i'll take care of that that was not the select one last week that's why i don't know what i'm talking about so and then set on the replacement of the town garage discussion is a separate article i'll call on you to start that yeah that's fine yep yep yep now mr. dwayne mr. hess did have a request that you didn't hear when you came in and he was wondering about the clothing that we should wear at the meeting as a select board i was wondering what color cummerbund i should wear no that's a tell me do you know cash okay i'm gonna wear a tie but are you chief yeah mike yeah is that appropriate it is okay okay there you go by definition it's the town moderator wears a tie it's appropriate yeah i think so yeah before before everybody leaves we should certainly invite everyone to come to town meeting tomorrow which starts at 9 30 yeah 9 30 a.m so this is not this is not the end of the conversation we're going to know so we hope not we would hope that all all the people that are here on the zoom go to town meeting which would be a combination of last year fighting and hope that they do attend it's not a foregone conclusion but we hope so we do so i think we're going to close out the town forum because i don't see any more of hands up or comments um so i think we're going to end the forum now but of course we're you're more than welcome to come to town meeting tomorrow we hope you come we need people to come and you're invited to stay for and you don't have to have special clothing no okay and you can stick around for the select board meeting and stick around for the select board meeting which i don't think it's going to be very long but it would be stimulating i don't know i don't know as it always is well it could be a certain flavor of ice cream that's been mentioned before okay so we're closing town forum at 7 21 and okay so i'm gonna call the meeting to order at 7 22 the select board meeting what do we have for additions to the agenda do we have it mr. hess i do not thank you for asking personally but mr. cola cola coleslaw coleslaw coleslaw any additions you have anything no okay um review of minutes February 26 24 we have it so i have some proposed amendments which i emailed earlier and i don't seem to have access on this computer to that email so um jeana do you have access to that i copied you okay there's one additional amendment that i wanted to make and that is the the minutes um states that the correct time for the town meeting is 9 a.m. under the town administrative report that should be 9 30 a.m. but i would just strike that or change it to 9 30 a.m. either way no there's a there's a whole field and i'm inviting jeana to let us know what they were because i don't have access to the marked up copy or the email okay there was some clarification to add language about going into executive session following the statute oh yeah yeah i think this is additional to add to related to the municipal coordinator position to add some language about the select board return to open session after having interviewed interviewed but i think you mean interviewed in there once not twice uh strong candidates for the municipal coordinator position so that sb agreed that one of the candidates presented a better fit for the position and then just some slight to put the dollar sign before the 25 yep i just saw that right now yeah and another dollar sign mistake another dollar sign mistake that i don't think i snag before is under the canon copier contract renewal i saw that it should be 163 a dollar sign 163 oh yeah yeah right that's it the keyboard is surprisingly you're not you're not typing on a laptop keyboard is a pain well it's really weird because this keyboard the the track pad this track pad doesn't have that's why that's why it's like doesn't have the right assignments on left and right you double click it's more difficult than you'd think trust me i'll let one of you do this next time no i know in some places they use a dollar sign for their their currency but they put it afterwards and it's a different currency all together i think columbia for the peso has a dollar sign after the the number but we're paying people in dollars so far that's right yeah and there was a strikeout under consideration of town garage project owners representative services bid response which is census is another and then a parentheses i can't make out the name confirm confirm that the time on site was excessive that that's since you can't confirm the name the details unnecessary so get rid of that dollar sign which i think we can have like that uh moving under for the canon copier the motion to up above motion to renew the contract canon copiers made by mr. adnire seconds by mr. coastal i think that's it um there's one error under the calendar this year or it's rfp not rps corrections is wrong form in one word i'm going to say i have to add his last two words right generally do it too yeah yeah spell check said it could be one word oh it seems like our history is too yeah i think we should make a motion past the i move to accept the minutes of february 26 2024 as amended oh we have a second oh any further discussion all in favor please say hi hi the eyes appear to have it they do have it um at the business there's any i guess that's it we do not have a warrant right okay yeah okay we decided to scan them yeah and we can get by for two weeks good our next meeting is tomorrow morning at 9 30 you would like to make a motion are you making the motion yes i will second oh you're seconding it yes all those in favor please say hi hi hi thank you


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I always say who's in charge. Anytime somebody tells me the business and doing what it should do, I say, stop, stop, stop, stop. They say, I don't have the right people. I don't have the right inventory. The market, the interest rates.  Who's in charge? And they say, oh, I am. Oh, well, I can tell you're in charge because you're the person telling me the interest rates are too high.    Everybody else is good. You're the one that needs to change.  Now this is why we can't have any pride, entitlement, or any ego.  It's the death of you. Now this book and extreme ownership, they took boat crew one that's won every race and they took boat crew five that was the last place boat every time. The whiner, the complainer boat. This was the bad boat. And the, and the, and the, uh, it was Jaco Willings in his book. He wrote, we decided to switch boat crew one leader with boat crew five and just, they just out of nowhere boat crew one go to five leader five go to one dude like immediately Jason Dakota. Listen to me. They took this number five leader that had, had been finished last this guy and they put him in boat one that had won every freaking race.  First thing he does is he says, guys, everything starts from today forward. Vicky yesterday's gone. I know this this next race. We're going to win it. I am going to tell you with the delusional belief that every one of you are qualified to win this race. Nobody has the heart as you guys. Nobody loves a story that's amazing all the way through. They like an overcomer. They want to see the comeback. You guys are going to tell your kids that they're capable of doing anything and overcoming anything and they're going to believe it because you did it.  This next race we're going to win and we're going to do it together and we're literally going to suffer together and it's going to bring us close and we're going to become unstoppable and we're going to create a new empire. This is a new boat. This is a new race. This is a new day. This is a new start and he had a perspective in which he gave and let them borrow that had been losing. He took a dying spirit and made it alive and to inspire somebody is to be done with the spirit and this boat crew one leader that went to five crushed it. They won first place the next race. Crazy thing is boat crew one that's won all the races. Once they switched the leaders they took last place. What does that tell us all what we already knew? You guys are new what I was going to say. The leader. The leader's perspective will ultimately decide where the ship goes. If you believe inside that it's over it is over. We're done. If you believe inside it is day one I want everybody to do me a favor.  If you are coachable some of you I don't mean to say this negatively but you're not going to change and please prove me wrong.   I need you to understand and I'm going to give you an analogy. So Vicki I saw a couple the other day they're good friends of ours they're going to marriage counseling and I said dude you don't need to even do that. I can tell you what to how to fix your problem right now. I said if you treated her like it was the beginning there would never be an end. If he treated you like it was the beginning or and you treated him there would never be an end. Let's go back to day one. You just interviewed for this job and you said hey let me tell you what I'm good at. I'm really good at you know financing. I'm really good at like getting stuff approved that normally can't get approved. I'm really good at like inspiring my team. I'm good at leading. You're right. I'm good at inventory management right. I'm good at phones. I'm going to tell you like if I was to get this job right now if my guys are on the phones I'd be on the phones with them. Note I said I'd be on the phones with them means I'd be on the front line. I wouldn't be in my office saying hey guys how many appointments we got. I'd be on the phone setting appointments with them saying hey guys we're going to make a lot of appointments today. As a matter of fact they don't work for you you work for them. As soon as you start to understand that it is a privilege to be a leader that do listen to me why don't you guys be the leader that we didn't have grown up. Why don't you be the manager that we didn't have. You know what I've learned. I'm going to give you a secret. I've learned what I didn't have as a kid. I want to give everybody else as an adult. As a kid I didn't have any love. I didn't have my mom left when I was two. I had nothing. My dad Jerry Springer show raised poor same two pair of clothes embarrassed betrayal. I felt betrayal as my whole life growing up 18 years old. I got a job in the car business made $1,700 my first day got lucky couldn't believe it. How does a guy like me get an opportunity to get in sales zero barrier of entry bad grades stuttered didn't know how to talk and I got a job in a car lot they hired anybody that breathed. Hey guys what's going on it's Andy a lot of you leave comments telling me that you need help do me a favor and take the best way to get a hold of me shoot me a text message right now<PHONE_NUMBER><PHONE_NUMBER> I'll help you with whatever you need I got your back for life let's get back to the video but I got lucky and I knew when I made that $1,700 commission I knew that I was going to be obsessed with self-development every day for the rest of my life until I died.


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