Come on, man. Hey, we back at it. One more time, New Jack Thriller City, man. Hey, like I always say, bruh, yo, the beat goes on. It's another episode, 85 South, Channel 85. Come on, man. DJ, tree wrecks. Man, drop that bomb one more time, man. I got Bortney in the house. Come on. Come on, I got Chrissy in the house. All right, so it's jackthriller.com. Jackthriller.com. All right, everybody be asking me in the streets and whatnot. Hey, yo, Jack, why you don't be talking to an independent artist no more? Well, I do. I just relaunched a site again. It's going down in a major way. So if you need your one-on-ones, make sure you follow this email right here. Email me at the email. Email the email right here. Yo, go to it. You got it right here? I'm putting it right there. You going to put it right there? I'm putting it right there. Email the email right now if you want to book your one-on-one with me, man.  Come on, now. Tell them, Snoop. Tell them, Snoop.  There it is, man. Jackthriller.com. Come on, man. I got my own song, Snoop Dogg. Boy, you already know what it is. Hey, this is another fantastic episode. Man, I got a legend in the house. I said, I got a legend in the house. You know, man, I talked to this cat long, long time ago, man, on Distance50.com. Yeah, yeah, I said, I talked to this cat long time ago on Distance50.com. Say it again. I said, I talked to this cat long time ago on Distance50.com in New York City. He a New York nigga, but he's resides right now in the ATL, man.  He been all over all the talk shows, man. And he that came down to 85 South to the New Jackthriller city show, man. The New Jackthriller city show. My player, partner, my homeboy, my friend. We even in the movie together, man. Y'all give it up for the one and only, the rapper, the actor, the activist, the cool nigga all the way on round. Come on, man. What's up, man? Yo, give it up for Gravy. What's up, baby? It's Gravy, baby. What's up, man? It's Gravy, baby. I appreciate that, gang. Hey, Dahl, you the man. Nah, I'm just trying to do you to make it happen. Appreciate you. Dahl, I love you, Dahl. I love you. You know I love you. You know I love you. A1 Day 1. Always, always. Yeah, yeah, man. So, you know, we was talking earlier, man. You and Dahl, like, over almost 48 movies, bro. Yeah, I got a lot in the chamber. You a serious actor. Yeah, you a serious actor, man. Take our craft serious, yeah. Well, man, you got to take me all the way on back, Dahl. Where does it all even started? Oh, man. Where it started at? Where the Brooklyn New York? Brooklyn, New York. Brooklyn, New York, the home. That's where it started. That's some of the most creative people in the world. Yeah, I mean, everywhere got creative people. That's right. That's right, man. Well, you know, Brooklyn, Michael Jordan. Yeah, Brooklyn, A by Biggie. Biggie, Fox. Come on, Foxy, bro.  I mean, Brooklyn, we bring them out. That's right, Mike Tyson. We bring them out. Shannon Briggs. We bring them out. Come on, bro. Yeah, yeah. Damn, man. The list goes on and on and on and on and on. We can do this all day. Mano. Yeah, we can bring it out. We can bring them out. Yeah, yeah, yeah, man. And so, like, when you start saying to yourself, yo, I want to be an actor. I want to try my hand at that. It don't start there. Hold on, you was a rapper first. Yeah, I'm a rapper first at heart. At heart? Yeah, at heart, yeah. So, yo, take me there, man. Let's go back to day one. Just, you know, the days of mix tape games. Big up to, man, R.I.P. Chris Lighty. He was your manager. Yeah, one of the greatest managers ever. Chris Lighty was your manager. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Shout out to Mona Scott. Shout out to Mike Lighty, David Lighty, Jonathan Lighty. Five Little Wreckers. That's where you started it. Yeah, that's where we started, 1999. Damn. Yeah, shout out to Big Fendi for making it all happen. Shout out to Big Fendi. Shout out to K. Slay, man. You know what I mean? R.I.P. K. Slay. Shout out to DJ Clue. You know what I mean? This is my favorite. This is my god. DJ Envy. You know what I mean? Everybody, shout out to New York City, period. Angie Ma. Angie Martinez, you know? Shout out to New York, period. Cup Master C. Yeah. Dang, yo, let's keep going in.  So I got to go all the way back. You know what I'm saying? Got to give everybody flowers. Without them, it wouldn't bend on me. Goddamn, bro. OK, so what does it even start, though? Did you come out swinging? And, God, what do you folks like? What was the progression? What was the natural progression? We just created a bus, you know what I'm saying? We watch other people create bus. Shout out to Smack, you know what I mean? He was doing the Smack DVDs. And at that time, we came up with the Come Up DVDs, which was Fendi whole thing. And it worked, you know what I'm saying? The vision with the videos. Shout out to Rob McDaniels, you know what I mean? The box. The box, baby.  Nah, I just remember the box. That's what created everything else.  Don't forget, cocaine DVDs. Yeah, yeah, yeah, cocaine city. That was all the competition. Yeah, that's all the competition, but it was about the Come Up DVD. That's what stuck. OK. Yeah, we're going to stick to where it stick at. OK. Yeah, that's where we at with it.  So you rapping in elementary school? What's going on? Nah, I ain't start rapping till about high school. Really? Yeah, I just stayed in high school and beat on the tables. People were like, yo, this nigga never go to class. I'd just be like, yo, man, I'll see ya niggas later. I'll be writing my rhymes and beating on the table and doing the beat, saying my rhymes, and everybody like, yo, what's up with homie? I'll play ball all day. Who went to your high school? Ag Coda from North Carolina. I went to Utrecht. Wow. Ag Coda before he went to Tills. And we had some great players. Kareem, Kareem Lewis, he was a beast.   Every time. You played also? Yeah, we played ball.  Yo, Gravy, you got so many goddamn layers, my man. Hey, man, that's the gravy. It's many ingredients. OK, OK. I'm glad you said you started right there, man.  How do you get a name, Gravy? On top of my gang. Yeah, I'm a solid individual. I tell you something, that's what it is. Ain't no gray areas. Ain't no, you know, somebody might need something or need a look or a plug. Ain't no going to the third person or the fourth person but I say what it is, it is what it is. You know what I'm saying? Same thing with the city. I've been here 10 years. I'm probably the only New York nigga moving around the city like that with the A. Really? Yeah, I'm in the book.  No, I mean, I'm just real good on hunting. I'm in the every hood there is and the A. You can go to the west side. We can go to the bluff. We can go to Mechanicville. We can go to La Cora with Big Quintet. We can go see Jody. We can go see the Caterite. We can see sea. We can see west side. See, we can see any nigga that's a main nigga in the city. I know him. I move around the city. What made you come to Atlanta? Oh, Atlanta Popping. Atlanta Popping. So you was here early 2000s, or are you like a? I got to Atlanta around, I'm sure, about 2012, something like that, 2013, visiting just back and forth. Because I was trying to pick Atlanta on Charlotte, but Charlotte was too slow for me. Right, right, right. No disrespect to Charlotte. No, no, of course not, because it's coming up right now. Yeah, it's going to get there. Yeah, yeah. But it wasn't fast enough for me like New York. I still needed to move at a certain speed, so Atlanta really hit me. Hit me like boom. Then I met my right-hand man, Good Shooter. Butted from a love and hip hop. Yeah, Good Shooter, my right-hand man. OK. And he introduced me to everything in Atlanta, everything that was moving through the city. Damn, this years before Love and Hip Hop. Yeah, yeah, that's my God. That's your dog for real. No, that's my God, God. OK, got you. Yeah, that's my God, who gave me the whole Atlanta. Like, yo, this is how we moving. Then we hit all the gambling spots, and that's where you can find me every night in the gambling spot. What's your game of choice? I don't really gamble too hard. Not no more, I got used to it. But they be skinning things like that. You know what I mean? Skinning? Yeah, skinning. Wait, you got to put me on, man. I ain't. We're talking about. I wasn't good at spades, you know? Yes, you got to let me know.   Yeah, I do too. I kill him. You know what? But we win, though. We get the books. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? I win boy every time. I always play this game. Yeah, yeah. But you know, Atlanta got a lot to offer. Definitely, when it comes to film, entertainment, wise, just everything. It got it going on. OK, so you came for the whole Black Hollywood situation? Well, now I really came for the comfortability. OK. You know what I mean? Because New York was just getting better quality of life. Yeah. Well, yeah, in certain parts. Let's say that. You know what I mean? Because there's still a lot going on in the city. A lot of bad in the city. Hold on. Which Atlanta was you in? Was you in Young Jeezy Atlanta or Lil Baby Atlanta? Which Atlanta are you talking about? Well, it's a lot of bad going in all Atlanta, but just certain parts of Atlanta. And Jeezy ain't from Atlanta. Jeezy from Megan. But we're going to let that rock. We're going to let you rock with that. Now, we're claiming.  We're claiming Jeezy. OK. He belongs to us. Listen, I'm saying. I'm just, you know.  You start to talk to the gravy. You know, it's going to come out only the truth. Yeah, I see. It's all love, though. Yeah, I see.  I know all of that. OK.  Come on, now you do. So it's all love. Yeah. But, you know, like I claim Brooklyn. That's where I'm from. Brooklyn. They, they, they. Right. So imagine me coming. I'm from the A. See, I'm saying. Can't do that.  Can't do that, man. Can't do that. Claim where you from, though. So, so you one of them folks there is Staten Island ain't a barrow then. No, I'm just saying. What's the girl who did the song that just had everybody? Oh, here you go. What's your girl? I'm a writer. I'm a writer. Oh, all right. She did the song, right? Yeah, yeah. That's not Atlanta. People were offended. I was offended. I checked her about it. I checked her. Right. I checked her. Because I'm from Decatur. Right. But, hey, it's Atlanta, right? Still, right? It's Atlanta to me. Right.  So she ain't got no right to be telling them what ain't Atlanta. She went and went 12. Right. She went and inches.  Room 559. She ain't paid those dudes. Niggas and jazzy tees. I got you. None of that. Right. So you can't tell me what was Atlanta and what. I'll tell you. Niggas or Gen Z niggas not finna tell me what's Atlanta. Right. Right. Not finna tell me what's Atlanta, man. That's what I'm saying. So, you know, we just gotta, you know. But you know how it go. It's all good. I was here for Freak, Nick, bro. Oh, yeah, for sure. I was here for Freak, Nick, man. You know what I'm talking about? For sure. Shit, I was 11 years old in there. They trying to put that back out. They trying to put it out right now. Bro, they didn't. I might see you in it when they put it out. Hey, hey, listen. If you see a little boy out there fingering folks, that's me. Oh, yeah. That's me. So let me ask you something.  No. If I don't leave with my finger stinking, I ain't have a good time. OK. All right. I'm one of them guys. All right. And it doesn't matter which hole. OK. Yeah. As long as I left with my finger stinking out. So you thumbing too? All that. I'm trying to collect the whole set. Collect the whole set. I'm that guy. Oh, damn. The whole hand? The whole hand. I want to kiss it, want to lick. Put my whole damn hand in it. You hear me? That's rough. That's rough. You hear me? I'm over here. I treat women like puppets. You know what I'm saying? I make them talk. How you doing? You know what I'm saying? I started Muppet Babies. OK. You know what I'm talking about? I feel you. I was the one moving Miss Piggy Mouth. I know you were. You hear me? That's the type of time I was on, bruh. You hear me? Yeah. Yeah, man. Yeah, so you know, you came up in like New York in the Crooklyn days, right? Yeah, absolutely. So we're dealing with people protecting these stoops and, you know what I'm saying? Missing the water house. They was looking for the jokes. That's right. When I did the lick. Right. Yeah, the lick. Yeah, we've been doing that. Yeah. You know what, when I first saw Belly, when I first saw, what's the other movie? Paid in Food. Paper Soldiers.  You know what I'm saying? And the food is amazing. And the food was amazing. Everything. And the women were one of the complete melting pot.  I went to New York, complete melting pot. All kinds of different women. That's how Atlanta is now. Yeah, that's how Atlanta is now. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So it's funny how. You ever been to the tunnel? To the tunnel, I never made it to the tunnel because I came to New York back in 2009. I was late in the game. OK, all right. I'm mad I missed the tunnel.  You got a chance to rap in the tunnel? No, I got a chance to just be in the tunnel. And chill out? Yeah, yeah. So it's the richest crew? Oh, no, I'm serious. Everything was to go. Everything go on the tunnel.  So you, I'm here in stores where you can even wear your jewelry in there. Now, you can wear it. You just got to be with your crew. And y'all got to be about that life to go on the tunnel. With your jewelry? Everything. Everybody is at the tunnel. They even check your boots. Yeah, they check everything. But it's a way to move. Maneuver, but you still had to be right. The bodyguards wasn't playing no games with you anyway.  Yeah, I'm hearing a lot of them stories too. Yeah, but the bathrooms were unisex. Wow. So they both, you know what I mean? Yeah. You can go in there, shorty pin, whatever. You sitting there, whatever. Whoa, whoa, whoa, I'm too young for this. Yeah, unisex. Oh, my god. So you get caught, you get robbed in the tunnel right in the nigga face. Yeah, that sounds extremely dangerous. Right, because you got 30 dudes from Queens with 30 dudes from the Bronx, 30 dudes from Connecticut, 30 dudes from Staten Island.  And it is what it is, all night long. And everybody performed there. Everybody, everybody. JZ, DMX, JZL, everybody. Every Sunday I was there watching them. Wishing I could be one of these niggas. Seeing the best of the best come right. Like, damn, I wish I, what I got to do to be up there. How can I be like one of these niggas? And God say, you know what? You want to be the best rapper alive, but I'm going to have you playing. Bang. Man, bro, walk us through the audition process. Walk us through the, no, not the audition process. Walk us through the blessing. How did that even happen? Well, I'll give you a small story. I was at the Palladium. Palladium was one of the banging clubs, too, with Flex and them. Shout out to DJ Red Alert. That's my era. Yeah, no, I went to see Big one night. Oh, you saw him? I slightly glanced at him. I didn't really get upon him. I couldn't see the eye, because I wasn't that close. Wow. You know what I'm saying? Wow. But I seen him, but Lil C's was just moving me, man. He wasn't letting me get to Big. He's like, nah, nah, nah, you can't do it. I'm like, yo, I'm from the start. Nigga, I'm from LG. What up? Trying to hide all that big. He like, nah, Big don't want to be bothered right now. Big boom, boom, boom, boom, big going through something. Then the next day, you seen Big. And he was in the paper with the argument with Faithful Jersey going to jail with the Yellow Goose song. Oh, so he didn't play you? OK. That's all I remember. Nah, he just, he was just moving me out the way, not to highlight him. But I was like, all right. I'm going to see him again? Yeah, 20 years later, I got my just due. Did? You know what I mean? I got my 20, you know? Later on, I got the. So C's was holding him down like that? I ain't never heard nobody tell a story like this before. Nah, everybody hold a man down. I just felt like I got the Brooklyn Bullshit on my arm. Because he was younger. Yeah, but I got the Brooklyn Bullshit on my arm. Did? So that was supposed to be the code. You know, Big said, Brooklyn Bullshit, that's the honor. That's like, you know what I mean? I'm a Detroit nigga. I see me each and I got on the BMF. That's eight. I'm just going to highlight me.  I got the whole BMF out for the honor. Look what you mean?  You feel me? One hundred. One hundred. Right, right. What do you got us just do? Word, word, word, word. So like, who did you meet? Like, how did you get there? What's it to play to him? No, to play in the role of the greatest. Oh, that's just gravy.  And then it just, it just happened.  Wayne Barrow was like.  Now I was always around Puff.  Before all that.   Man, you know what I mean? I was up there every day, every night, waiting for the man to come out of Daddy House. Like, I'm gonna see this nigga with this tape.  You know what I mean? Me and Finn Rock, we in the car, the SC 400 Lex Coupe, and we sitting waiting for Diddy to come out of Daddy House with the bodyguards were off with Paul, the uncle Paul. I didn't matter, we was gonna see him. And I see him at night and one day, he pull up with a, he had a new artist at the time. He had the North Carolina light blue Phantom and he pull up and it was Sean Poe. Oh wow. Right, so I'm like, oh man, that's the dude that sound like big eye, cool. But I'm trying to get a Diddy. He in the other side of the car. So I said, well, did he get out? I'm gonna go around the car and holler at him. So I run around Sean Poe all love homie, but I'm trying to get a Diddy dog. Boom. Hey, look, I need you to hear this, man. It's Gravy, bop bop bop. He like, I, I, I, I, I'm gonna check you out. I said, look, I'm gonna come up here eight day, man. To one day you're gonna take the CD, take this cassette and you're gonna hear it. And he like, I, I, I'm gonna hold you to it. I go eight day to this point where Harv and D Rock starts saying, yo, great downstairs, man, the boy downstairs, faithfully, man, like clockwork, just faithfully. Months, months in, rain, sleets, now I'm outside. So hold on, you knew what time he was gonna be there every day? No, I didn't know. I ain't know. This was, he was sporadically there. I mean, everybody used to have Daddy House at certain times. 100%. Def Jam down the block. Everything that happened in the city.  I'm gonna go over here about 40, 40 baseline, 26th Street.  I'm gonna run around till I see the stars, man. I'm gonna run around the city and that little perimeter till I see Violet Records on 26th, 4040s on the corner, Daddy House down on six and seven. So I'm gonna make my way, but we gonna hustle till we, till we, you know, get seen or get heard. We sat down with Irv Gotti before he did murder and he thought about it. You know what I mean? Us in the franchise, me, Red Cat, Fane, Cutie Kid, I was in a group. And it was called a franchise. Yeah, the franchise, yep. So tell it on my own. So, you know, we was trying, man. We just trying to get on, but we was hungry. So when you're hungry, you're getting people's face. You know what I'm saying? Persistence is key, you know what I mean?    Hey, my man, we trying to let you hear it. Can you just hear us out? That's all. We ain't on your back.  We just like, yo, my man, we just trying to, if you could, please, that's it. You know what I mean? Consistency, that's it. Until you get enough of us and seeing us so much, you just be like, damn, let me listen to this thing. So finally he listened to me. He, Puff, let's tell you, made us come upstairs to Daddy House and we was in it. And he liked the flow, he liked the sound and we rocked from there. We went up doing the song, same night, me and him. We put it on the violator, John. And then we moved around. He called me back to do a pastor, Kovalski with Busta Roms and wrote on that. So we was rocking. So you started writing for him also? Yeah, we was writing. We was rocking. But the funny thing is, he ain't even know I sat in his back seat before with him and D-Mack with one of my brothers, my real brother, had, they had a tournament in Jersey when Naughty by Nature was popping, when Treachery was popping. And they was on top of the world. So they had a tournament with Chris Webber and a bad boy tournament. And my brother was playing in the tournament. So he left his car and we jumped in with Diddy. And diddy ain't know me at that time.  Yeah, and we was chilling. He don't even know I was there though. Wow. God to put you in position before the plan was even the plan. Right. You see what I'm saying? That time I wasn't even thinking about rapping. I was trying to play some ball. I was trying to get in the tournament. So you was a rapper, you was a ball player. Yeah, I was trying to hook. You were a gambler. Yeah, I mean, everybody touch everything. Everybody do, you know something. You got to find your niche. This is not, bro, I'm blowing away right now. Oh man, it's all good.  Just feeling your energy, bro. I was nice in playing ball. I mean, anybody who know anybody from Brooklyn asked about gray, I was nice in playing ball. I was street nice.    Like we hooping, nigga, play ball, nigga, check up, nigga. You know what I mean?  I'm like, man, we had high energy. We had Dunkers Delight. We had Rucker. We had Gouchos. We making moves, nigga. What you talking about, man? And one nigga, get up out of here.  He had to go to D1, Georgia Tech, Kentucky. You know, you had to get in the loop. I was just out the loop. The streets had me out the loop. Cause you know, I come down the court and I do something to a nigga. It's just like, ooh, it's just like, ooh. You know what I'm saying? I'm used to the crowd. You know what I mean? Word, word, word. You know what I mean? So you didn't like get caught up inside the lights and whatnot.  Under pressure. I do pretty well in all things. Got you. It don't matter how many people around. Humble either. Humble either. Got you. Got you. So you playing basketball now and whatnot. And you know, are you thinking that, yo, this could really turn into something or is it just recreational at the time? We all think that, man. We all think we can go see it. Hey, sixth grade, you couldn't tell me I wasn't gonna make it to NBA. Seventh grade, I gave up. I had a crazy fade away. Okay. Crazy fade away.  But I forget, you're not gonna believe this. But I was trying out stone middle school I was trying out for the basketball team. I think I was seventh grade, yeah, seventh grade at the time.  And I'm looking back. I don't have really good hand-eye coordination. Ball hit me in my head. Oh, damn.  That happened to me, too, though. Get out of here. Yeah, trying to play baseball.  Yeah, by the hardball, yeah. Naked through that ball hard as hell. And hit you in the head. Yeah, it hit me in my mouth for a jump. I wanted to know how I thought I could do it because I see Mike do it. So I wanna see Mike do it. I was just like, yo, Mike do it. Mike might be opening the game for us. Mike, Mike, Michael, Michael Joy. I'm like, yo, he wasn't good. Nah, but so I'm just, you know, let's test it out. Okay. Let's see how fast the ball be coming. Yeah. And you put your jaw in front of the ball. Nah, I just try to line up with the plate. Gotcha. But homie who threw it, he had a different, he had a different frame of mind on me. He was trying to hurt you. Nah, I don't know what he was doing. He ain't throw it where the box was at. You know, we used to paint the box on the wall and the project. This nigga put the box up here. Okay. So when he threw it and landed up here, I was it, I was swolky, I was not, not was ridiculous. It was over for that bat. Yo. And I just bought that glove. The glove was $65 for Models. No Models? You only know Models. Yeah, I bought the glove and Models, guys. You know what it's like to go to Models with my nigga? That was our Walmart nigga. What you talking about? $65, nigga. Wow. I didn't even get to use the glove, man. You got hit in your job. Hit me in my head, man. I don't remember that nigga name, man. Damn. Of course you don't. So did you get knocked out or did you lose T for some time? Nah, but it hurt though, man.  Yeah, he got it for real. And you quit right after that. That's it, man. It wasn't done. This ain't me, not this one.  The ball was too small. Man, I'd rather play softball, nigga. Yeah. Well, nigga, other hand, that thing. Wow. Trying to tell you. How old were you? I can't remember, man. I got... He hit you that hard. Yeah, I can't remember. Damn, you know who you is now? Yeah, I know how old I am now. Okay, got you. I wore off, I had to go now.  So, man, take us, you know what I'm saying? Land in this role, bro. Role of a lifetime. Did you do any pictures before that? Nah, I wasn't even thinking about doing that. Hold on. So you not finna tell me that this was your first?   What you think about him for big? Nah, that didn't happen. It didn't work like that. It would have more work like things happen. West Coast, East Coast was beefing. Things was going on, man. Things happened all through my journey. It was nasty, you know what I'm saying? It was nasty. Snoop coming to New York, probably just getting shot up. Just the whole ordeal was bad business. You was around that stuff? Yeah, I was a rapper trying to, yeah, on the ground rapper named Gray trying to do my thing, but we still, we all took it in. We all roll with big.  You know what I'm saying? So we all stayed tuned to, that was our Shakespeare, you feel me? So we follow what protocol is. You know what I'm saying? I got a little baby right now. People be asking me, yo, what you think about a little baby? I'm like, the boy is hard. You know what I'm saying? The boy is gonna be something special. You know what I'm saying? The boy got the chance to be like Hove. I mean, when it comes to the A, he can't be that Hove. Like, you know, people don't wanna say E too young.  He doing the numbers. That's right. It ain't about how young he was. Nigga, the boy hit. That's right. Can't say he not it. Now he carry it straight, 10 years strong, 10 summers straight, and he follow the blueprint that Future was doing. Future had it, had it. Future had it. And then even Future tell you, like, yo, when I had, yo, what's happening? Hey, I gotta get the little baby. Right. Well, he had it. Everybody get their shot, my G. Everybody get their shot. Yeah. Speaking of shot, John Marin. Exactly. He got it. Word. About to blow it, but he got it. Yeah, yeah. He got it. He just gotta get it right. He gotta get it right, bro. He gotta get it right. Yeah. And nothing more gangster than having that bag. That nothing. You know what I'm saying?  It's like he don't believe he really had it.  Got a max, got a pension, he's young. You know what I mean? So he, to me, he's the new AI. To me. No. On opinion. No, 100%. Bad mistakes, bro. Yeah. You feel me? So there you have it. People are more lenient these days. I like that. Not with that thing in that camera. You know what I'm saying? Because you gotta think kid-wise. So every kid that wanna be like Mike, the older kids that wanna be like John Moran. Yeah, but. Then I see John Moran. I'm a kid, I'm a young boy. My pops in the house, he chillin. He got guns all over the house. I see John Moran hold a gun. Yeah. Now I wanna go to pop. I was always telling him to hold a gun. But the problem with kids nowadays, is they'll listen to an athlete or a celebrity before they listen to their own family. Of course. Like you're not him. You see what I'm saying? Even though it's disrespect of my time, because our pops and moms were better than any athlete. So they went away and none of that. Pop Dukes is the man in the house.  What they been saying though? These new kids ain't hearing that. They're like, hey, I'm listening to him. But why you think that is though? It's social media. Okay. It's social media.  That's all part of the social media. You gotta be within yourself. You gotta love yourself for who you are. That's right. And once you love yourself, you can give up all the Jews in the world. Like nobody in the room knew who I was when I came in here. They got an idea of, oh, that's the guy who probably played Biggie or the Tubi nigga. But they didn't know I was this funny or this cool. When I leave here, I left something that everybody in this room and I think it's a cool nigga. Right. But that ain't designed by me. That's designed by God. Come on now. Now you appreciate it. You see what I'm saying? I could have came in here on some Hollywood shit, stunk it up, but I came in here, you my man, and you gave the energy for me to give you the new energy. Word, word, word. You see what I'm saying? Word. Right. I'm here for you, bro. I'm here for you. That's how it's supposed to be. Yeah, yeah, 100%. But when we start getting out with every nigga that's around us and every other woman who we start to kill the hate and start spreading the love, we on. That's right, 100%. Once we all put each other on. That's right. But I don't want to be the guy, I don't want to be in front of the light pushing that. Even though I love it, I just know my people, you don't want to be the leader, Malcolm X is the leader. That's right. My love, Martin Luther King, like when you lead, you got to be prepared for that pressure. I don't want the pressure. I don't want the pressure.  That's right. Make my play. So I'm going to chill out. Feel me? I don't want to lead that. Niggas, I don't want to lead. I don't want to be in the back of my nigga. The word, word, word. Back seat, wonderful. I don't want to be in front too much too.  I had just seen this special with Angie Martinez about Big Man and talking about the whole life after death project and how he didn't get a chance to even hear the finished product of that. How he didn't get to enjoy it. That's kind of crazy to me. You know, to put together a masterpiece like that, that ain't even got no skips on it. And this is just to go to a credit of how dope he was. Right. You know what I'm saying? Unbelievable. And he never write it down. But the only thing that I cannot understand and I just got to leave it alone. I really got to leave it alone and stop trying to get them understand it. Which one? I don't get why after the whole thing with Tupac dying and stuff. Why did he go back to LA that soon? I don't get it. Because people don't understand the love is real. You know what I'm saying? The love between him and Pac was real. Like, Pac's not even an LA nigga, man. Pac is from Baltimore. Pac is an East Coast nigga. Yeah, but you know perception is reality. Yeah, but you can't take it from us. Pac is an East Coast nigga. No matter how you take it. Now y'all lost Pac, bro. Now we ain't losing. Y'all lost him. He says edge and everything he was was East Coast. I don't care how you switch it, pick it up, try to duplicate it, that's where he from. He didn't feel like that. Only because things, like I said, just what I was just telling you about being in front. Yeah. Being in people faces. I don't want to deal with that because niggas is dirty. Big had no idea that Pac was even coming to that studio or any way around anything. If you watch the movie, you hear Big telling him the jewels. Like, yo, you messing with? Yo, you hanging with? Right. Yo, you moving like, that was a real love. And then you hear Pac this.  It was homies at one time. The love was real. It's just the other niggas, the middle man got in the way, man.  Everybody got a story to tell. You know what I'm saying? Everybody is, people in the middle. Niggas that don't belong in the middle. Yeah. Get in the middle and it just twists it all all kind of ways. So you feel like, for instance, you played this role man and like really getting involved in it and learning about who this guy was. Did it kind of put you in a space too where you were like, man, I need to solve this mystery. No, I don't get it. You never felt that way. No, I don't get into stuff that ain't my lane. That's why they call me gravy and I'm solid. So you was able to detach? I just, it's just not proper etiquette to do that. Like if I meet somebody and we chilling and they say something about a situation, like say I go on a date with a bra or something like that. She telling me about problems. We already blew this date.  Right, right, right. Let me attend to ask you about your problems, right? But at the same time, I'm still a lovable dude.  We gonna do out there and we gonna do what we do.  But at the same time, before she get back to the crib or whatever, I'ma leave something somewhere, somehow like she might get back, maybe her key, her dress, she'll lift it up. That's for the kids. Ain't really even for you, it's about them. Cause I was one of them. You see what I'm saying? So at the end of the day, you gotta move without, sometimes you ain't gotta say much, man, to be that nigga in the room, dog. That's right. You ain't really gotta do all the boasting and popping bottle and label hunting. And I don't even wear labels for my niggas. Well, I got some joints on, but I don't even, I make the clothes I put on, I don't gotta do all. I'm too big not to see me in the club anyway. You know what I mean?  No, I'm with you on it. You know what I'm saying? Remember when we came up with the niggas coming to the club, he got a pair of sweats on, a pair of crispy uptowns, white tee, clean as hell. Got all the money that everybody else in this joint. That's right. We were low key, we were never in front of the camera. We used to hate the camera. Now niggas wanna get on the camera and tell you the whole joint. I got the clip, I got the switch, I got 40 clock, I got 10 break. Where you do that for, where we ever did that? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Ralo, like you see what I'm saying? Like where we do that at? We ain't never did that. So, you know, we lost touch with a lot of things, but I'm still in tech. I'm gonna stay the old school way. It's just better for me. I'm comfortable in that, doing that. Word, word, word, word. So you get the acting bug, man, after you playing big and everything. What happens, cause a lot of people would think that you would get a role like that and you was like, it's hard for you to get a role. No, no, that's just, you know what? That's some of the haters, man. You know, haters would do that, tell you something.   If he had it to do it? Yeah, yeah, cause he always get the nigga, hey man, I like your watch, your watch is hard, but I'm sure I would have bought a different band. All right, he ain't got a near watch.  Why you didn't try out the other? Man, where's your car? You see what I'm saying? You're always gonna get that hate, slight touch. Man, you know what I mean? So it's just something you gotta adapt to.  You know what I'm saying? I used to run around with 30, 40 nigga. I used to do all that. If you go to internet, C grade, I used to move with all that. This shit, it might be two, three people with me, man. Cause it ain't authentic. So when something happened, the nigga's gone. Soon as that paper stopped coming in, nigga's just nowhere to be found. Look at me, Mill, used to be heavy as hell. I'll be on the ground, I'm still a fan. I got, damn, it's the shoulders of the niggas around this nigga now, ain't it? After the jail, after the bid, used to be 30, 40, where it is, where it is, and where it is. Right, gotta get rid of, he'll move it out. 50 used to be like that. That's right. Super deep, that's my man. Anybody, that's my man. Say what you want to say about Gray, he gonna tell you, that's my man. Me and that nigga went through all types of studios trying to think, how we gonna get rich, attract masters before Columbia, before he blew everybody. You know what I mean? Really?  Man, we was in a joint, man, trying to get our heads. It's like, how can we make it? We were gonna make it. Then I seen him, we had the same manager, Chris Lighty. That's right. Then I seen him later on, as he made his way, and I made my way. I seen him later on on the plane one time, and I was like, yo, what up? We hugged, blah, blah, blah, we chopped it up. I said, what's up, man? He said, man, the paper different. I said, I see. He said, nah, Gray, the paper is different. I said, damn, nigga, he said get the paper, I said, I'm happy for you. You know what I'm saying? Same thing with Kendrick Lamar. Kendrick Lamar was J-Rock's hype man. That's right. For one time. That was my man, though. I was still big gravy doing me, but when I met him, it wasn't all that. Now I see Kendrick, I be like, yo, can I highlight you, my bro? The nigga be like, ah, gravy was always 100 from the dark, right? Same thing with Chris Brown, 19 years old. I'm in Miami. Tina Davis was managing. That's right. Brought him through. Hey, gravy, this nigga hot, boom, boom, boom. I'm like, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. I said, damn, you got something. She let me hear something. I said, oh, that nigga, that nigga. Now when I see these same people, they know before any paper, Callet, Ross, any paper, I was always 100. So you can't give me nothing else new or whatever that paper done took.  That's just how you rock. The 100%. 100. Hey man, I got some help today and whatnot. The I team, I like to call them. Okay. Yeah, yeah, I got my home girl, Bortney and Chrissy. And when I got a couple of questions and everything. Oh, cool.  All right. In your past relationships, what lesson has stuck with you the most? And relationship, I mean, as it could be another significant, sorry, significant other female or it can be a relationship, someone that you worked with necessarily don't have to be someone you was in a relationship with. What stuck with me the most? Yeah. At the age I am now, discipline. So what does discipline mean to you? Don't go for everything that everybody else go for. Go for somebody who love you.  She love me, I'm loving her. It's a better fit for you. So you saying your girl look like precious? No, no, my wife is gorgeous. Okay, cool. Yeah, but I'm just saying that at the end of the day, you got to go for what love you. So not a time nigga want to chase something that's eye candy and it's all that. And it's cool, no shade to the eye candies. But how much work you got to put in for the eye candy? Mm-hmm. You did? Mm-hmm.  Eight is dope, eight is dope, nigga. A bad eight of killers. Yeah, I take an eight. Bad eight of killer quarter. You see what I'm saying, a bad eight of killer quarter. Yeah, I have that. She just love you. She just love you. She just know what to do for you. That's all that matters. Cause once you got that, you don't need nothing else. Mm-hmm. You know what I'm saying?  That's right. When you see something and you're gone for it, but it ain't really what you see. And even her, she bought that. Yeah. Yeah. So already, you feel me? Right, right, right. You know age and time and time. That's all I'm gonna tell you what you need to be doing.  That's right. Mom riding, like I was just telling her the other day, like, yo, I did a 10-year bid. What's gonna happen?  Now, that to me is enough for me. You believe her? Oh, no, I know. Okay. She gonna ride that 10-year bid. Okay.  That's what I'm talking about. I mean, niggas know what time it is with me. You go to my IG, see what my wife is. She do the biggest real estate in the city.  Right. So you can't tell me nothing about that one. Like that. I can see anything right now, niggas, it's gonna happen. You know what I wanna do for my people, man? I wanna, this is just something that I hope can make.  That's what I wanna make it happen for my people. Oh, that's all. Go with you. You know what I'm saying? Don't fear the dumb. But it's all. I'm gonna take care of the kids. I'm gonna take care of them. But it's all. Let's go to prison with you two. Yup. Bug it. Yup. But think about it. Come on, bro. Let's go. Come on, man. Bone County it is. Yup. But think about it. No, Alton. We ain't done that jail. But think about it. We talking about prison, baby. Prison, prison. That's right. Think about every time you look at IG, all the women that be having these stories about this nigga. They love this nigga to death. That's right. Right? That's right.  Right?  Always go somewhere left.  You ever noticed that?  It ain't never batted in what he had. The right.  What does it mean?  What is he doing? What does that mean? Yeah.  It just, it just. I don't know what they want. It's just crazy. When you look at the white feet on the X and then you look at the new one you like, you post the upgrade, right? Yeah, yeah. God, damn.   You like that for that? Mm-hmm. Woo. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Sometime you need a break from bad bitches. You know what I'm saying? No, I don't know about that.  No, I don't know, who told you that? You got to just goddamn stretch out.  Shit. You exfoliating and whatnot. You evolving because you looking what's on the inside. Because like you said earlier, some people bad bitches on the inside. It starts from the inside. It starts from the inside. Come on now. Forever. You see, come on. Listen, you got to go through things, man. You need time. That's right. Because without the time, I don't know if I'm, I don't know until situations pop up how you're going to respond. So I got to see it. That's right.  That's right. You know what I'm saying? So I got to see shit, the things that happen.  She's gonna let you move in with her.  It's just like... What's good? It's just like, certain things is a pattern. Right. Like we used to always have a pattern of how we move. When I get in the car, I let her in already. That's right. I get in the car, what she supposed to do. Before I get in the car, she should be reaching over. Before I can get to my door, right? Mine do that. You're saying, but those are old rituals. You see what I'm saying? It ain't about like when I wake up, I got to tell you that I'm hungry or nothing. It's already dead. That's right. Remember when we was coming up, women worked that kitchen. And I'm saying that women got to be in the kitchen. That's right.  That's right. Now the new chicks, they want to be out and about just like we are, getting their own bag. That's right.   Right. Now that don't work with me though. I don't understand that. I don't get that. I don't float. That's confusing to me. Then that must mean, because I'm going to do, I got to take responsibility for all of it. Okay.  Now if you going to do that, then you're going to go 50-50. That's right. Because now you insulting what I'm trying to do. That's right. Because I'm used to the, I would take more pampering than you being all out and about. That's right. But I'm out hard working and I come home and I can't get nothing. That's right. Now you couldn't make me no ramen noodle, nothing. Nothing. It would take five minutes to give me some ramen. It's not even five. And if you know how to do it right, you know what I mean? That's right.   They got the shrimps it's already done. They throw it inside. If you do it, it's a blessing. If you don't do it, then I'm like, then this don't work for me. That's right. You know what I mean? So it's just different things. Just different things. No, no, you ain't saying nothing wrong. You ain't saying nothing wrong. Too many niggas out here worry about ego. Yeah. Damn, my woman make more than me. I'm flipping. Shit, not me. You give me a woman who make more than me. I'm all in. That's right. You going to flip that money she got. That's what you're going to do. That's what you're going to do. Hey, baby, listen. You stress about what? Some niggas stressing you out? I ain't on the niggas. You can head out and do what you got to do. I ain't worried about nothing. I don't have to. If somebody is stressing you out, we're going to call the police on that day. I'm not worried about none of that. Get them off the streets. I'm steadying them in the cuffs. I ain't worried about none of that. Yeah, I ain't steadying the music. Yeah, yeah, come on. Ego, where the ego at, man? That's our problem, the ego. Bruh, I ain't too proud to call the police.  I don't want to sit in that joint. And I'm not, I don't want to sit in the joint because I'm nervous or I'm scared. I'm worried about another nigga taking mine. No. I ain't worried about nothing. I'm worried about that bored of them. Yeah. You understand me? Bored, damn. It'd be so boring in jail, right?  Yes. Can I possibly do an in-self for this law? Bruh. To be sitting here looking at this nigga. This nigga, you got to shout with him. It ain't no women in prison. No, I see O's and it's bad. See O's in the joint. Yeah. But I'm saying, I don't want to wait for that. I just don't want to be in that. Yeah. Then I love my daughter too much. I can't be in that.  It's about the bored them. It's super bored them. You just waiting to eat lunches in there. And these young boys taking them numbers. Yeah, they do. Like, even when I was in Cab County, the niggas just taking them numbers. Yeah. 20, 15, 30. I'm talking to the young boys. Like, yo, what up? They're like, yo, aunt, yo, aunt. Damn, what you doing in here?  They see what it is.   What y'all doing with the niggas doing, man? Hey, yo, aunt.   Yeah, yeah.  Well, what you think you gonna do after the time?  Aunt, when I get out, I'm gonna start rapping. I'm gonna hold you for 22. Yeah. I'm like, 20 years from now, you think we still gonna be talking about pro-tools and rap?   But you didn't show that though, right? Nah, nah, I don't never take they hopeful. No, no, you, yeah. Because they hope it's...  Nah, let him believe what he want, but I'm still gonna put into you what you need to hear. Yeah. Like, yo, man, you need to, you know what I mean? Cause you gotta think. Like, start right now, nigga. Yeah, oh, that's dope, nigga. I mean, just to keep 100. You gotta see when he gonna see the judge. Yeah. Like, I'm in cab with a lot of young boys that's wild as hell out on these streets. And the reason they love me is cause they see me in their hoods. That's right. They hold from it. If I was at Fulton County, I see some of them pass through there, Rice Street, see them pass through.  That's right. So they see me every day, so it's not like, this is something new. Nah, that's big, he be in the zone. Jonesboro, he be in La Corolla, he be at the up sessions, he be at Crucials, he be at the barn yard, Citrus stage, he be in Atlanta. Yeah, yeah. So we already know him. Right. You know what I mean? He catch me at the light on 14th Street. The water boys love me. That's right. I tip out. Not by everything they have. Yeah. And get back to him.  Nah, I just rock with him cause I was one of them. You know what I'm saying? I was one of them. The top was out of one of mine. And I was like, nigga, I'm in the top of it. Did you get a little bit of this already? Yeah. But you know, you know how I move. I know, bro, 100% man. Hey, you know, once again, man, I didn't come by myself today, man. I got the I team here with me. Yeah, she got another question. Cause there ain't no I in team. Right. You hear me? As a matter of fact, it is I in team. Yo, uh, Boydney. Um, I have a question. What you okay? I want to know what do you think is the most challenging part of your career? Oh, challenging part. I don't know. Maybe I'm still looking for something that's going to be challenging. I think for me, It's so easy. Nah, I'm, I'm a, I mean, it's easy for me, but you know, it might not be easy for everybody else. That's how I know I'm doing the right thing. If something, you try to do something and it don't work for you and if somebody else does and it works for them, that means you doing the wrong thing.  Everybody can't be a real estate person.  Like, yo, my name, hey, my name is system. Here's a car I do real estate. So I say, all right, cool. How many houses you sold, bro?  Well, you know, I've been doing that for four years. I ain't selling on houses yet. I don't need the car. Like I'm not the guinea pig. I don't need the car. Like, you know what I'm saying? Certain things just gotta make sense because you lose energy. Now I got my hopes up thinking I'm gonna take this car, you that guy and you ain't that guy. Just give me to the guy. You know what I mean? And then people, you know, when you walk the street, I used to look at Busta and Jay-Z and be like, damn, my niggas don't never stop on the street for nobody.   What you think he's doing, man? I want to stop one of them niggas. You know what I mean? 100%. But now I understand what it means. Word. The energy, dawg. That's right. It's just, you can't give everybody your energy. No, you don't. I ran through Barna brothers. Wow. Because walking in there with all of them, it's just anarchy when I do it. But I wanted to see and I realized, years ago when he was doing Barna, I realized you can't, that energy? Yeah. Hey, can I get a picture? All right, I can get a picture. Oh, my auntie want one too, my cousin. Everybody come, come. Like it gets to a point where it's just too much on the energy to stop every second and give everybody that love. And everybody only love you like that. Right, right. You'll find out that when you say no. Yeah, when you say no for a picture, you'll find out what's really going on.    Right, so I know your attention already. You see what I'm saying? Yeah. So you gotta go with the flow. You just gotta move how you want to move. Yeah.  When you tell them no, hey, this ain't gonna happen. Just keep it pushing. I like it, I like it.  What do you think is your biggest flaw right now? Oh. And I feel like you walking in your purpose. I feel like you type of person that walking in purpose. So I don't know if you really think you have any flaws, but. No. No, I got flaws. I can tell you think you got flaws. No, I got flaws. I got flaws. Nobody's fault. He accountable. He accountable. I definitely, oh, I got flaws. And how would you try to fix it? That's a good one. I'm still working on it. Yeah. Like, you know, I mean, everybody, I think everybody in life is working on what they need to, what they need to get to. I don't think nobody's perfect. I think everybody's still trying to capture who you are. Shacks, the Mayweb, anybody. They all still trying to capture who they are. They're there more than we are financially. But just because you there financially, don't mean you there mentally. That's right. One of the things. Don't ever think, because nigga up, he got it. That's right. Because in my mind, sometimes, to me, Floyd be bored. Right. It's just, it's just how much can you do and how much, just so much money, how much can you do at one time to keep going? Because I've been there. I've been in Vegas on top, penthouse sweets with some iconic figures. And we party three days straight. And on my first, my second day, I was ready to go home. I'm like, these niggas do this all day long. Right. So I can't burn myself like that. I don't even have enough in me. So I mean, I'm still working on what I need to work on. I think for me, to music, me letting my music go, I think that's one of my biggest things. Because I always getting like, you're gravy, what are you doing? I'm gonna get back to the music. And my heart does, but my mind is just, it's a lot of love loss on that. You know what I mean? Like I chased it. I chased it, man. I gave it my all.   You put your meliskus in your ACL. Now niggas talking crazy to you. You was getting ready to get 32 million a year. That's right.  Y'all niggas trying to three mil me out, running me down. I don't even want to play for y'all. You know what I'm saying? You dig what I'm saying?  Cause I just feel like y'all know I'm hurt. Y'all know I'm hurt.  And want me to act like I ain't hurt. But I'm hurt. Great examples, great examples. Right.   OK, OK. Everybody, we all lead. That's what I'm here for. Yes, yes. That way. Right. So yeah, I guess, you know, it's that. But other than that, man, you know, people asking questions like, what's the most important thing in the world to you? My daughter.   What's the biggest goal for me? My goal is to get my daughter away to the right man. That's where my head is at. Nothing else is going to matter. Not the watch, not the crib, not the paper, not the money.  I want to see where she going. The more time that I put in, she only 15, I want to see where she going. I'm 47. I'll be 48 next month.  So in my mind, that number, congratulations, bro. I appreciate it. But it's the numbers for me. OK. I'll be 48. She only 15. So I'm trying to be around her for the six weeks, 16. That's right. Murder that. 17, 18, the love of her life, heard her. Come back, regroup.  Maybe it worked for her. Come back home, daddy, boom. Fix that. Second love in her life, third love in her life. Understanding how to pick men.  So I'm on a scale. You see what I'm saying? My numbers go up as she grow. So I just want to be there when she turn to 29, 30, that I'm ready to get married. And after that, we can go wherever we need to go with it. You know what I'm saying? But that's my journey. Everybody's journey ain't the same. Some people look at other things different. You know what I mean?  That ain't me. This one individual, I got to make sure she get to where she got to go. That's right. And as long as everybody around me respect that one individual, we gravy. Oh, I see what you did. I saw what you just did. Yeah, that's it. That's all that matters. Word, word, word. Hey, Chrissy, man, throw another one at him. Name something you would invent that could change the world. Name something that what? You would invent. Something I would invent? Yeah, that can change the world. Shit, I would have did it already. I would have worked that back. Nah, I'm simple, man. I mean, I don't know about inventing nothing. But if I can get everybody to just rock on the same, on the same record, if I can get everybody just to whatever your difference is, we're going to fix it all. Because my head is different. My space is different.  Bob Johnson, Oprah, Michael Jordan, Magic Johnson, all the pioneers, Shaq. I had one black rap label, one black music label. And everybody, all we all share it, split it, and make it work. Instead of everybody going at each other, they don't need. Because when the day comes when we all stand as one, it's over with. It's just about doing that. I see what you're doing. Yeah. Because it's enough power. But the only problem with all those people, somebody's still going to want to be the head. That's right. I always want to be the head.  Yeah, you're taking it to another level with that one. Speaking on that, why do you think it is that a black label only specializes in one particular genre of music and not as a label where the actual music, not?  It's number one. That's right. Right, right. Only man ever had a distribution with Russell Simmons. We ain't never had nobody else with distribution like that to move them units like that. So there ain't nothing wrong with using other people and other cultures to make it work. That's right. I'm just saying that with everything that's in us and still did us with talent, fashion, cooking, dancing, like we kings and queens. That's facts. That's facts. So if somebody is going through a struggle and you're the next door neighbor and you got it, why not share it to make all our communities just as big and just as better as anything else? You something saying? Because all other generations share. We are only American black. It's the only race that don't share. That's true.  Everybody share. Everything goes down to the family and family. You know what I'm saying? Nobody in my family passed me down. Nothing. So I don't want to be that at the end of the day. I want to pass my daughter. Anything I got in me and I have learned. You start. I got to start from somewhere, man. We're good when you're going to start. Just noticing that like no limit didn't have a rock group, but they are record label or music label. Or they don't have. Maybe they didn't know how to tap into that genre. Right. But I'm saying if you know music, like I don't know why, but I just feel I don't know you. But I feel like you know music. And I feel like your label will be well versed with many genres. But I'm trying to figure out why there is no black label that has started like a no limit or anybody that's got any other genres other than that one that they specialize in. And that's it. Like that's all they know. But they don't know music to be that way. It might be a lot of touchy things. Yeah, because certain places that don't want to see a nigga on that album. I mean, we still got to get over that hump before we get into the other hump. Classism. You know what I mean? Still, it's still something that we go through every day. You know what I'm saying? So we got to get over that hump. You know what I mean? When we get over that, everything will be amazing.  Yeah, take the camera off me. Yeah, I was just about to take the camera off me. We canceling your idea. Yeah, please thank you. I don't want to. Yeah, I need you. That's a thought, America. Yeah, you know what I'm saying? So it's tough. You know, Michael had a plan. Did you know that? Yeah, yeah. He had a big plan. I ain't gonna talk about that, but it was a big plan. You know what I'm saying? So, you know, you can't tell everybody your moves, man. That's just anybody who hear me now. Yeah, I'll. You can't tell everybody your move because the hater that's right next to you will block your moves. Yeah, just throw him off, man.  Hold on. I'll hit you right back there. Give him something.  That's right. So just let him go run it through. But don't show him the A and B because he gonna block that one, ain't he? Yeah, yeah.  Bro, back in like 2014, you know that, because you heard about the idea that I had earlier and whatnot, but I was definitely trying to make moves to get prisoners good behavior. If you got good behavior, you can go visit a female prison and whatnot and be able to interact with the female prisoners and vice versa with the female prisoners. They could come over to the male prison and do that, but I had niggas blocking me. All right, I think you gonna remain blocked. You don't think of the word? Never. Even with good behavior, you'd be able to go fraternize. You shouldn't be here. You shouldn't be here. If you had good behavior, you wouldn't be in here. That's the system, man. That's the program. But what if you got life? You got life. So, you know, you're not even really fixing to be able to interact with women like that, but it's a lot of lonely female prisoners that are really good people, but they got life. And it's a lot of lonely.  Well, you made a mistake and it's just you've changed after your sentence and everything. That must be a heavy mistake though. Oh, no. For life. Heavy mistake. But now you spending, you're on your 30th year in prison. All right, so what about the girls that knew Instagram? The two girls that just cooked their grandma? Yeah, what about that? Okay, I'm glad you said that because I had them on my heart. I had them on my heart.  After about 15 years, with good behavior, they should be able to go over to the men's prison along with they got a, what's it called, a hysterectomy and be able to fraternize and have a healthy relationship with the male prisoners. I don't know about that one, but you know. That's the if-I-root word. Right. If-I-root word. Yeah, I got it. You're forgiven. You're forgiven. I'm not. You're super forgiven. I got a partner right now facing a dirty situation. Uh, he happened to just randomly walk outside in the middle of the night, say about three or four o'clock in the morning. Yeah. Walked around to the side of the house, smoked a joint. He saw some dudes getting ready to run into his house. When he got up on his porch, they had already kicked the door in and went in. He ran to the door and shot him in the back. They weren't charging him. They were just running in his house, but he shot him in the wrong direction. Had they been facing him, it would have been okay, but he shot him in the back because he ran in behind him before they got to his family. Now they got him locked and he looking at 20 years. That's crazy. See, what he should have did was turn the mobile backwards while he was on the ground and he shot him in the front side of him while they were down. No, no, they ran in his house. He ran up, he ran up.  Yeah, I saw that. When they died, when they died on their own face now, we wouldn't turn them around. But they seem to have an interest wound in the exit wound. That's crazy. But you think that's why you got to shoot the wound open bigger? Face it forward. You got to be facing forward. Everybody know that. Everybody know that. Is you ignorant? Is you ignorant? By the way, I didn't know.  Yeah, thank you, I appreciate it. Hey, it's Jackie, baby, it's Jackie. Appreciate it. But let's get to some important, man. You got a movie out right now. Right, Trust Nobody. Trust Nobody. Part two. Right, go see part one first. Go see part one first. Yeah, go see part one first, so you understand what's going on. Okay. And then you go see two. Tell us about this picture, man. Tell us about one in the journey. It's a beautiful piece because number one's coming out of Milwaukee. So at the end of the day, it's untapped. That's right. You know, when you mess with untapped markets, it's a beautiful situation. That's right. So every state has a story to it. That's true. A lot of twists. That's right. Between relationships and situationships. That's right. And bad choices. That's right. You know, and that's really it. It's just a lot of twists and turns and you'll love it, you'll enjoy it. You know what I mean? And don't be on there like, oh, just that and the dirt, why I gotta pay for the second one? I get a lot of that. Don't, don't, don't be on there. Listen, if you watch the first one for free, the second one, you need to go on your pocket though. Okay. It's just part of business. What we need to get out of pocket? Yeah. I don't know. I forgot what it cost, but it ain't gonna hurt you.  Cause we was spending on something else. You sure will. Exactly. You sure will. Oh, that's cheap. That ain't bad. $7.99. Come on now. Eight bucks. We got eight bucks. You be shocked. You don't want to spend. That's a medium sized pizza, man. We went top in the dominoes. You be shocked. Definitely got eight bucks to spare. Hey, you be shocked how somebody feels, dawg, with seven bucks, man. You be shocked. Dig, dig, dig. You know what I'm saying? But other than that, man, trust nobody. It's amazing. This is a good joint. I'm not saying that I'm in it. It's just great. Storyline, script, casting, everything. Shout to my man, Steve O. Shout out to Swift. Shout out to Bianca. Shout out to Mark. Shout out to everybody that's in the fat boy. He in there turning it up. You know what I mean? He played my brother. He in there turning the upside down. That's right. You know what I mean? That's what's up. And then me and you got one. We got one coming up. What's that picture? It's called holding the wall. Holding the wall. Hey, you know when Steve O was saying that earlier, I ain't know what he was talking about. I thought he was saying it was a holding the wall in here. You know what I'm saying?   I can't take these motherfucking nowhere, man. Yeah, OK, the movie's called holding the wall. Got you. I had a really good time on that set. Can't wait until that come out.  Yeah, we got plenty. We got others coming out, like City of Gods. Go check out Dirty Game. It's out now. Dirty Game is out. Dirty Game 2 is on the way. Hedgerier 2 is on the way. Crossover. The Revenge is on the way with me and Clifton Powell. I mean, we just got so many joints, man. Shout out to Philly, my girl, Tracy. We just finished shooting Unexposed. That's amazing. I like that already. We got a bunch of joints, man.  Just work, man. Shout out to Beezie, shooting them all. Most of them anyway. OK. Yeah. Shout out to Detroit. What up, though? Come on, what up, though? Because we be murdering out there. Yeah, yes, they do. That's where they got the bulletproof glass up at Dunkin' Donuts. Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha. Yes, sir, what up, though?   They got bulletproof glasses.  Fuck, hide ahead. All right. Yeah, man, make sure you just go down to rabbit hole and support my boy Gravy and whatnot, man. And shout out to this situation ship, man. They're one of the dopest card games in the world, man. And that's where we was, you know what I'm saying? Drawing a lot of our questions from, you know, the ladies, the I-team, you know what I'm saying? Boydney and Chrissy. That's what they was, you know what I'm saying? Reference and whatnot. We had a really great show. It's New Jackthrill, a city, man. Yo, tell them how to follow you, man. And tell them, what else do you want to say to New Jackthrill and stuff before we get out of here? Hey, man, I love it. Appreciate you having me, gang. And you can follow me, Jamal, Gravy, Willard. All my sites are the same. Jamal, Gravy, Willard. Oh, you got a real name. Yeah, it's just the same. John A., New Switch. Boy, when you find out a nigga got a real name, I would have thought your name was Gravy for the rest of my life and called it a name. Hey, it's all good. It makes sense now. My nigga name's Jamal. All right. That's what's up. It's all good. Hey, until next time, man. Hey, yo, let's take some pictures, man. Yo, Rex, take us out, baby. New Jackthrill, a city, man. Let's get it. Let's get it. Thank you.