Check it, check it, check it, it's a unique hustle, it's your boy, E-C-E-O, and I'm here with the lovely, amazing official, Mr. Jamaica. What's going on? None of you know my dad. What's going on? Man, hey, man. We down here in Atlanta, man. It's going down, man. Check it out, man. We just, hey, we rolled up on the gym, man. This young brother right here, man. He really don't need no introduction, man. He been pretty much living in the shadow, because pops are always going to be the shadow. I mean, he going to always be in the shadow. It's hard for him to get around it. It's hard, but you know, this dude is really dope and he got essence, man. Young soldier slims in the building, little soldier slims in the building. What's going on, baby? Man, I'm cool. Thanks for having me. Oh, man. Thank you for coming, man. You family. You don't even realize it. Once we get you, we got you. Once we link in with you, it's like, damn, why he just called check on me. That's the way I be. Like, yeah, I don't play with it, because God, I love the people that God put in my life, bro. You know what I'm saying? I respect that. Yeah, because you got to realize, man, I'm an older cat, and I've been through a lot. Yeah. So most of the people that are sitting in front of me that look like me to go through what I've been through, what God sent me to them so I'm able to help. You know what I mean?  That's what I look for in relationships, real talk, advice, you know what I'm saying? Wisdom. That's all I really matter in relationships. Now, this one different. She's going to go somewhere that I'm not going to go. All right. She's going to ask you things that I'm not going to ask. Female perspectives, you know? All right. But you know, because like, okay, the way how I think, I want to know you as the individual, not always the artist, not always Soldier Slim's son. I want to know what it was like growing up. Without a father, because so many people do that, whether because they lost the father or did the father just stepped out of their lives? There's so many children, especially in the black community, that go through this stuff. So how was it for you? And where were you raised and who ended up raising you? Oh, you want me to answer that right now? Yeah, like, yeah, don't leave out Mississippi either nigga, we won't. I don't never leave that out. If you didn't just sing, I was just going to beat her up. Jackson Peaches told me that. I moved around a lot. I stayed at different places. I stayed in Mississippi majority of the time as a kid. But you were born and raised in New Orleans? I was born in New Orleans. Yeah, I moved to Mississippi like six. Six? With your mom? Yeah, my mom. My mom was a side of the family's from Mississippi. Okay, okay. Yeah. So it wasn't like no, no crazy transition. You know what I'm saying? I was either like six or seven. Your only child? No, I'm not the only child. My mom ended up having my sister the same year my dad died. Oh, wow. While I was like eight. But it was really straight. Like I grew up fast. I always was a kid. Like I had a cell phone at six years old. I always had my own house key. You know what I'm saying? I've always been independent my whole life.  You know how a lot of people be having these stories about they sell, but they mama be like, oh, remember that? It ain't really like that for me. Like anything I say, like my mama gonna stab that. Like my mama know the worst of the worst stuff I've been through. I used to talk to my mama because for a long time it was just me and her. You know what I'm saying? That was just my best friend. So it wasn't it wasn't really easy. A lot of people grow up without their father. But for me, it was mainly like a lot of people push me into that reflection. You know what I'm saying? Let me ask you something. Oh, now I was going to say something continue. Did you ever have another male figure in your life that shows you how to become a man?  I had a lot of, I had a lot of male figures. My daddy, daddy. You know what I'm saying?  I spent a crucial time in my life with him. He started coming and giving me when I was like nine years old. He died when I was like 12, 13. But in between them times, like it was, you know, he was the most crucial male figure in my life. My daddy, I mean my mama, daddy. My mama had men, you know. So it was like, it was a lot of men. I got uncles, like my grandmother had 10 brothers and sisters. You know what I'm saying? So it was like, I had a lot of, I had a big family. I was going to ask you about, I want to take it back a notch because I remember when we spoke with Project Barbie, it was more about like the day when your father passed away. Were you even in New Orleans then? I went to New Orleans that day. It was Thanksgiving Eve. Just take us back down through that day and kind of hide unfolded just the time because she gave us a story of how she's seen, she's actually seen your dad laying, you know, in front of the house when all this happened. But for you, it's going to be a different psyche because you wasn't actually there, were you? Right.  Just what happened that day? How did they even tell you about it?  So we was packing up, we was on our way to New Orleans for Thanksgiving. Mississippi, where we stayed, that was like an hour and 15 minutes. It wasn't really an extremely long drive. And I had talked to him that day. Okay. What did you say to him that day? I don't really remember.  Okay. And I was on my way to New Orleans. I think he had bought me some shoes for Thanksgiving, you know, okay, regular stuff. So we was packing up. I don't remember if we had left or right, I think we was in a car. And my mama was on the phone, she was blowing up, you know what I'm saying? And she, like, this is my mama, this is my best friend.  You know what I'm saying? Well, I ain't know he died like my daddy got shot before. People used to always tell me like, yeah, your daddy got shot. So he didn't really shake you? I mean, yeah, it shook me because my daddy got shot. Yeah, but like you feel like he might have made it through.  I mean, on the radio, it wasn't on the internet. We went to Blast on the radio. That he passed? Yeah, that he passed. How did you feel hearing it on the radio? I mean, I cried, but I am really like, I can't really reflect back on the exact emotion. Did you block it? Block it out as much as you could after growing up to pain? Um, I blocked it out as much as I could, but it really affected me like in the most, in the most times, the most crucial times where I needed a father. It wasn't really mainly about... That's real. It wasn't really mainly about him being sold to slump, because actually, I ain't understand that in the beginning anyway. That didn't even matter to me, you know what I'm saying? Most children don't. Yeah, my dad was a regular person. Like, he ain't... Well, me, he was a regular person. Of course. And I done did concerts with him, major concerts, like, you know what I'm saying? Like, I done been a studio with him, but he just was a regular person. He was doing this thing, like, you know what I'm saying? I know he liked to eat a lot of candy. Yeah. I know he thought he knew how to cook, but he really couldn't cook, like, you know what I'm saying? I used to be like, bro, I don't want this. Like, take me to McDonald's. He used to love, he used to be like, I'm gonna take you to McDonald's. Wow, that's dope. Like, his favorite movie was Crime Partners. Crime. Okay. I remember, like, right before he died, probably like a month before he died, he was sick. He had a rare bag. I don't know if he had a cold, he had a flu, but he was inside, he was taking medicine. And he had a... He had to take... He had to watch me. You know what I'm saying? So, um, we was just in the house, we were watching movies, and he was like, my favorite movie. You know, on Crime Partners, the dude the dogs can do, he got burnt. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, yeah. Like, I remember stuff like that. You said that it affected you mostly when you really needed him.  Um, around the time, like, I've been through a lot. Like, I've been through a lot of stuff. A lot of people didn't think that I would go through, but you know, me growing up, like I said, I was grown up early. You know what I'm saying? I was way mature. Like, way more mature than people I age.  You know what I'm saying? So, that played a part in it. That was...  Like, my whole life, my mom worked two, three jobs. You feel me? Like, we used to stand a project. You know what I'm saying? In Mississippi, like, it actually was just, like, when I started having problems with my mama, like, she used to put me out sometimes. You know what I'm saying? I had to go stay with, like, I probably messing with her chicken. Her parents would let me stay by her. Yeah. I probably would stay with my cousin. You know what I'm saying? And, like, I was getting expelled from school. But, like, rewind till the time before that, when I was just getting sent home from school, maybe, like, fifth grade, like, around the time with Katrina happened, I used to get suspended a lot from school, fifth grade, sixth grade, but I always was smart. My grades was always up. So it was never, like, no problem to why I'm getting held back on failing or nothing like that. You know what I'm saying? Well, you're older now. And a lot of times, when I see stuff like that, in my mind, I'm thinking you're acting out from the loss of your dad and not knowing that that's really what is causing it. Actually, even when I rewind it back to probably, like, fourth grade, like, always had a counselor. Like, I always remember, you know what I'm saying?  For 30 minutes an hour, every day, like, this was part of my school section. Of course. You know what I'm saying? A lot of kids can't tell you the experience that I really experienced that, probably up until, like, about seventh grade. Did it help? Actually, I didn't understand what it was for. I didn't know they was trying to counsel me. Like, they just be asking me vocal questions. I didn't know they was trying to counsel me mentally, you know what I'm saying? I always was a smart person. I just was, I did what I wanted to do. So, like, around about eighth grade, when I started having sex and stuff and my mom started bobbing hairs, I really needed them. Like, my grandpa always dealt for me. That's why I say that was one of the most crucial times. Like, this is my daddy. That he really got to be in my life when I needed him. But, like I say, he died when I was like 13. 13.  It's really like, I used to get on a train and just go to New Orleans by myself. Yeah. I always had a key to everybody else I needed a key to. My mama, both of my grandparents, my auntie, she's staying in New Orleans East. And I know how to catch a train. I know how to catch a cab. I always been a hustler. Like, I used to get my daddy CDs and sell his CDs. You know what I'm saying? I used to sell soldiers and them posters. I used to sell my CDs early in age. I started rapping. In his studio room, probably like 12 years old, my cousin and them, you know what I'm saying? My own laptop, like, just trying to figure it out, getting into it because music was always a part of me. It was always something I wanted to do. And then a lot of my family members used to be like, I think you should rap.  But my grandma and them, like, my grandma and them was like, no, you should go to college. So actually I did both, you know what I'm saying? No, no, love it. Me getting, me going to college was really mainly about, man, my mom been going through a lot these last couple of years. I've been in high school, do the wild ones, 17.  I went to college, like, two weeks out of graduation. Just to get away. Just to get away, you know what I'm saying? I went to college. I did great flying colors because it was like, if I put my force to anything, I could do it. Do it, yeah. What did you major in? My first major was accounting. I switched to business management, you know what I'm saying? At first, like, I really was interested in being an accountant, but it's not hard at all. It's something that I could do with my eyes closed. It's just boring. It's exciting, you know what I'm saying? So I wanted to do something that really excited me. I went to college, two, four years, in the first semester of my third year. And I was like, you know what? I don't want to do this no more. So you didn't finish? No. I was like, I don't want to do this no more. So when you were eight, is it anything that your dad really said that you kind of think back to anything that you remember?  Like, all right, I could think back on times, even when I was younger than that, when I was like four or five, like we used to go see them in the jail, you know what I'm saying? Like, I could think back on a few times, I don't want to see my dad in jail. And he used to always be like, this ain't no place for no man. You know what I'm saying? You know what I'm saying? Stuff like that. I really wasn't never to that age to really, he could just have a real conversation with me. And that's what really bothered me the most. Yeah. Because you know, everybody was like, you dad is really pretty loud. Man, he told me this and that. Well, he ain't never really get to project that side on me like that. You know what I'm saying? Like, we had to come up, but I was eight, he probably thought I couldn't fathom it, you know what I'm saying? Yeah. So he ain't even... Man, just to have that whole umbrella of the litany of people that's around, I know they constantly came at you about that afterwards.  You know what I mean? And to find the true you in the midst of all of it had to be something else. You know what I'm saying? Really finding me. See, this one made it hard for me to find myself. I'm a Virgo. My dad a Virgo. Of course. My brother was his dad a Virgo. Yeah. So it's like the men who I looked up to the most is Virgos, but people like, you don't need to be like your dad, you need to be yourself. But naturally, like this is just who he is. You know what I'm saying? It's just I'm going to move like this. So growing up, I always was like, I ain't trying to do nothing my dad did. I ain't, you know, like trying to... I kept a hold against that, but really I should have been embracing everything that came to me. On my own learning, that allows me like 20. Yeah. And I really just took off from there. Today is your dad's birthday. Today is my dad's birthday. Today is your dad's birthday. Today is the day that the album, your album comes out. Yeah. What's the name of it? Trap Glory. Trap Glory. But how do, waking up to your dad's birthday year after year today, what makes it different today? Oh. Cause the album's coming out? No, I always do something. You always do something on your pop's birthday? Always. Because growing up, when I used to couldn't do nothing when I was really flat broke, when I used to be really catching the city bus through New Orleans. Yeah. I was trying to 18, 19, I forgot to like, I used to just go and sit at his grave and bring a camouflage bandana. Don't. You know what I'm saying? Just put a bandana on his grave. But like the old I got, like the more money I started seeing, like I'd be gone, I might be in California, I might be wherever. You know what I'm saying? I've been traveling like, ever since I was like 21, on my own, like just making my own money and getting away. You know what I'm saying? I probably done more than like anybody I know in my family, your family. So it's like now I'd be gone. It's like now I'd be trying to have tributes for him. Like I would have somebody made me like a tribute video to put on my YouTube. You know what I'm saying? If I didn't have my album drop, but I sent my album to drop on this day, like I might drop another EP November 26th. You know what I'm saying? It just be like, I sent my dates around certain days. Like. Did you have any visuals on this one? Yeah. I got, um, How many visuals? I got like nine visuals out. I got like four in the tux. On this project? On this project? That's dope. They all on album music. Okay. Okay. Look the album up on album music, the videos on that too. Um, so you don't even gotta go to YouTube and look it up no more. Everything on album music. It's great. Actually, a lot of my songs kind of like I always like show my pops out. I'm sorry. When you go to the gravesite and stuff, did it, did it kind of, you know, on these days, like say it was a day you was paying tribute. It kind of made you have to go there and thought didn't it? Not really. Honestly, man, I kind of like, you know how a lot of people, it'd be hard for a lot of people to, I can't let it go, but I really gave peace to it. You know what I'm saying? To the situation to myself, like I found peace within myself because I actually went through way more than people, anybody know I went through. Only person really know like majority of everything I went through with my mama, you feel me? Like with counselors and different stuff. Like that's always been a part of my life. You know what I'm saying? So like, a lot of people would be like, you got real issues and you're really crazy, you know what I'm saying?  Do you want to say something? What about BG? I met BG, you go to my store when you come to Dallas, you'll see I got him on the wall with me before he went to prison. Did you get a chance to know him and your dad? You know, they hung out. Did you ever get a chance to talk with BG or any of those guys? Because you would have been young, right? Yeah, like, I spent a lot of time with them in the dead of funeral. Okay. But not really after that. Not really after that? Uh-huh. Did people kind of pull back or were they? Yeah. They pulled back there. You know how people are. You know what I'm saying? Like, everybody how they did it, I understand it as a grown man. Everybody how they did it, they prodigy, you know what I'm saying? I want to be going through what they be going through and then me growing up to understand the type of person he was. Yeah. I understand you feel him. Yeah.  But like a couple of his kids, like drew to me. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? And we got relationships. No, that's dope. That's live, man. I try to, I think I try to interview his mom a little while ago and I didn't get her, but I'm still working on it. Just, I could get his son for you though. Really? If you get him, where's he at? He in New Orleans. We got to get him. Not T-Y, T-Y, Ashley. T-Y locked up right now. That's what I was about to say. Like, I kind of like, like growing up, I went through a, like the back store, I met T-Y, I met T-Y when I was like 14. Okay. Just to hang out on Canal Street. Oh, yeah. You know what I'm saying? So we got up in the kitchen. Dugging it. He knew who I was. I ain't really know who he was, but we just connected. We just locked in. So, like we kind of like grew up together. No, got it. Because a lot of people meet, I didn't know this, but a lot of people do meet their best friends, like between the ages of 10 and 15. Yeah, yeah. So that doesn't really be like most crucial ages of your life. So we kind of like grew up together. We just hang together. But, like we grew up doing everything together. And he just got caught with some guns and stuff. So, yeah, he just got caught with guns and stuff. That's a little better. I kind of, I kind of don't want to say too much, but he in jail right now. Okay. You know what I'm saying? Well, that's still your partner though. Yeah, you know, like, this is one of my close partners, you know what I'm saying? Who I went through a lot, went through the most crucial times of my life, who I was broke with, who I got money with. And that's kind of why I watch what I say, I watch what I do, I watch who I go around. I don't really do too much. Yeah, you should. You know what I'm saying? Like, I don't really be on young nigga time like we used to be on. And you're doing the right thing, man. You know, you're getting older too. And you got, you here representing your pops, man. And I got three kids. You got three kids and you here representing your pops. So y'all, you, what would he want? You know what he would want. He want you to look out for your three kids, of course, like you want to do as well. But at the same time, also to create this legacy that he would have wanted to see. You know, that's what it's about for us, man. After you get so old, you just want to see the next generation. My son's 29. What, 30? He's 29 now. 29. That's fine. Yeah. And he, you know, he's striving, you know. And the main thing is to leave a legacy.   See, that's what I, like that's why I know he would be proud of me.   You know what I'm saying? And I was like, no financial support, nothing like everything that I got. I got it from the ground. You feel me? Yeah. And that's what I feel like he'll be more proud of more than anything. Wow. I hear you speak on Juvia a lot too. How did you and him, how did you even link up with Juvia and all that? Um, just being around New Orleans. He knew who I was. You know what I'm saying? You know how him and my pops was. He knew who I was. Of course. He got a son like two years ago. Yeah, yeah. We connected. You know what I'm saying? Once being this son connected. Like, I was going through times in my life but like, I didn't really know where to stay. So they used to let me stay at their studio. You know what I'm saying? That shower in there. The college I could sleep on. Like, so, he used to let me recover free. Man. And he let me, actually let me watch him build studios. You know what I'm saying? He like brought me around. Like, welcome me to my, welcome me to his family. Like, his wife really loved me. You know what I'm saying? Young Jew mama. She really loved me. So it's like, a lot of stuff was coming from her too. Like, I didn't got out of jail. I didn't have no gun. Like, she bought me a gun before. I said love. Yeah. Love. So she bought you a gun just so you could protect yourself. Protect myself. Like, I don't know go get into nothing. Protect yourself. Like, I didn't got out of like, I went to jail a lot.  She like, I gotta make sure you good. She just know how me and her son talking and she know how, what it is with me and him and how we coming. You feel like, she's always be like, talk to me like, don't hide nothing from me. You know what I'm saying? Talk to me like, she was a sit down and really had like, She from New Orleans? No. She from St. Louis. Oh, so she just wasn't trying to hear it. She knew the flavor though. She a gangster. She cheered up. Listen, man, she is a gangster. She probably more gangster than juvenile. Oh yeah. That's dope. Real tough. I love it man. Because you have to be man. She probably like, she really like, one of the most realist down the earth person, woman, woman, that I ever really just had real conversations with. Like, me and my mama had real conversations. You know what I'm saying? That's just cause, I feel like my mama, my best friend, I can tell you anything, but anybody outside my family, like, me and her just, we locked in. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. But the whole family, like they love me. You know what I'm saying? That's crazy. So Juve just took a, took a liking to you. And his son. And his wife. I really think it was based off the relationship I had with their son. Yeah. That really made them like, they really like, like, they really got each other. Yeah, they got each other. They went through a lot. You feel me?  You feel me? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Wouldn't even got to call your parents but I got you. I'm gonna come get you. He gonna come get me. That's love. Send me money. Like, the daddy done gave me money. I just got out of jail. Help me. Like, young Juve, like, like, even when it was flat broke before I even went to jail and started going to jail and all that, like, he was like, brother, you ain't got no money. I'll buy you some food. Put some gas in your car. His family. You know what I'm saying? It always was love. And a lot of people don't really know why, like, they be wondering, why you took to them like that? Cause they was more family to me than a lot of my real family. That's real. That's real. They be like that sometime, man. That's beautiful, brother, that you picked up on it and that you just didn't ask love. I'm not no user and I ain't never really needing nobody. Like, that's what people really love about me the most. Like, I'm going to go get whatever I need and feel whatever I need. I'm going to work for like whatever I got to do. Like, no matter what, I'm going to go get it. I'm not asking nobody for nothing. What was it that she, cause I'm talking from a mother perspective now, what was it that she had said to you that got you to break through to her to be able to open up to her?  Um, probably when she bought him a gun, like that made No, no, that was out of the woods. I already had a relationship. I'm just, it was just basically just a relationship I had with our son and like the relationship they had, you know what I'm saying? He used to be telling a lot of stuff I was going through. So she used to be reaching out to me like, you okay? You good? You need anything? You know you could call me. I got you.  Don't be telling her. Nah, you feel me? Because like for you to tell her that, you got to have that relationship with her. People don't be having like, I got that relationship with my mom. Like, my mama knew a lot of the stuff like even when I was going through her, she'd be like, man, mom, sleep, slept in my car last night. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. With the wide reason, you know what I'm saying? You got to work three jobs. You feel me? Like three regular jobs. Like, That's real. It was different, you know what I'm saying? But that's good for you because you ended up growing up seeing that work ethics. Yeah, and my work ethics gets out of the roof. Anybody tell you that about me. Wow, man, just, that's real.  When we was down there, we actually interviewed Mack and some more people might ask you about, but just the fact of doing it at Peach's, you know, the record store, we rocked out down that love, love the feel, love the culture. But as far as Lil Wayne go, just give me a breakdown of just you and his relationship when you did link with him. I don't know Lil Wayne, and I don't know if you seen my interview today, but I just spoke on this. What did you, what's going on? Talk to me. So my first time I actually got to approach Lil Wayne and it was about to meet Lil Wayne. I'm like, bro, what's that? I'm like, I'm so the slim son.  I'm so the slim son and I'm a fan. I'm in here with Juvenile and he just like fan me up.   No, no, no. I'm saying that. What do you know? Like you was there. How were you? Man, this was like, I was with Juvenile at a high boys reunion concert. So this was, this was, was it, where was, what city was out here? It was in Wallace. I was there. I was down there. But this was maybe like 2017. Okay. Okay. We just did it again. So this when you first meet him, you younger at this point, but how was you? I'm like 21 and I'm ignorant about that. Yeah. He didn't even know. But he, he got it by the girls. I think he was really just mad because come to find out they had given Juvenile his section and I'm with Juvenile. So this is how we actually got to, you know what I'm saying? But I'm really like, who was getting out of the section? But I'm like, how did Wayne like, I ain't never get to meet Lil Wayne. You feel me? Like, I'm from that era of Lil Wayne. Like, you know what I'm saying? Like this, how did that make you feel?  But I don't really take stuff personally. Like I say, he could have been high. Like, bro, at the time, I used to take pills and stuff. Like I used to be high and tripping. So you know what I'm saying?  And I don't, I be like, I don't remember that. When you, when he said this, you kind of just looked away and walked away. Or did you just stay there and stay? I booted them up and sized them up.  Like, he's shorter than you? Yeah. Yeah. I seen him, I don't remember him being that short. We was at the place with me little. Oh, okay.  So, you know, you need them.  I'll tell them what he said. Man, we gon' go to jail up here. You feel me? But they like, I woulda tore it down.  I'm like, man, we gon' go to jail. Like, if I woulda hit him, he'da been dead. I woulda been locked up. You feel me? Real talk. It woulda been that type of, I woulda been dead cause he got, like, I said he got his body guards in, you know what I'm saying?  Proud of me, you feel me? Like, they be, you know, cause during that time, he was on top of the world. That was the time in his life where he felt like, he still probably feel that way though. Yeah, ain't no hard feeling. You know, I can never go up so I'll be like, that's the last time. You know what I'm saying? I ain't, like, I used to not listen to people music and stuff like that, but I, nah, you can't let them get in your head. Yeah, no hard feeling. What do you think about it? You right. He still, he's still LeWayne, the greatest like rapper, uh, alive? Mmm, if we both look at him. I don't know. I don't think he's right. It's a conversation. It's a conversation. It's a conversation. He, he probably is the greatest rapper alive. Alive. You know what I'm saying? Not for real. But the biggest, the biggest, I feel like Bremer man saying is the biggest is young boy. Who is? Young boy. His son? Young, oh, you say NBA? Yeah. Oh, the biggest. Oh, you talking about right now, biggest rapper alive. Oh, he said, because that's the young boy era. Man, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, so you do you think it could be the way man I feel like a little bit probably do I expect a little bit more money than young boy you tell you why he ain't been in the trouble young boy been a young boy been a young boy sat on this year and he'd have missed at least three four years a whole time he'd been right did you think he would have beat that case the fair case and I really like man that really made me look up like look I don't say look I don't really look up the people but that made me like respect I respect you even more like I already respect you just how you coming and will you come from I really know you come from yeah I used to be in bad rush in 2013 2012 1415 like so I'm understanding you understand what you coming from like do really did it from night yeah yeah I think like a lot of people do it from nothing but a lot of PR right like let me sit it like how we was just saying about a little baby little baby had help mm-hmm you feel me little baby had young P you know saying young P you see I was rapping you family young look for show get in the studio take this money got the block you understand he had people helping him like young boy had none of this young boy just wanted to rap and it was like you hard you understand he came in the game on house arrest so that's that yeah he different definitely different he don't seem like he need he don't he don't love he don't like media and envy you don't like none of that like he don't like you know you have Instagram do he got all that money and he ain't going to tools like think about him be touring him he's gonna go to a night he probably make the most money that people make four five to us cuz he don't go on to us like didn't he make a song with that boy Nas Nas X or something I heard didn't make a song what do you think about that he probably gamma yeah and do you think about it ain't like young boy in the studio vibing with him cuz young boy came he was on house arrest he couldn't leave so all he got to do in this house just sit here and send that verse send the verse was it over like you understand what I was like dang you right definitely right about that he on house arrest like he on house in the crib so man the slam man soldier slim join you here right here little soldier slim in the building man y'all better stop playing man this boy is here listen man this is a legacy man this this young cat right here man his dad him his kids man it's a whole just generations to come this young man here is impressive you know I'm saying so what do you want out the game actually just won't leave a legacy in the game you feel me I just I kind of want my legacy to be like I'm my pops if I die anything I wouldn't be like my you won't be like I'll plex you know I'm saying I won't at least a Grammy if I mean I want stuff like I want real trophies from the game I'm really you know nowadays everybody I want a million streams I want real trophies did you really how did you like the okay there's I think was it which who was it was it Fredo bang the remade your dad song somebody remade your dad song Fredo bang just did once a couple you know yeah I'm saying how do you feel about it when people redo it I don't take it personally I mean is it a good thing do you feel like it's okay to do it they just pay homage that's what I was saying there a lot of times you know it'd be statistic so it's like me my auntie and my grandma we make the estate so you gotta you know so you got to you know so you have to you have to go through the right circle to do it yeah you got a side I get it so you ain't you're just out here making it you gotta get it clear we got labels reaching out all the time bro labels become checks for that okay so that's that's that's that the business yeah so really I let my auntie you know I'm saying step forth in it because like she done had a lot going on her own like I kind of feel like I had more opportunity to do business yeah I'm saying so I kind of like was able to do more hands on business and she was able to I really be one her you know I'm saying because you know it come with experience it come with doing it anybody could teach you anything they got to be telling it's here's drawing out on the board nobody really come what you doing it to really learn exactly what's going on how are you and you let's talk about how I have for a part of y'all cuz y'all not that far apart in age are you like four years four years apart I don't mind you born in 91 you kind of got closer to her after you know grew up like sisters and brothers that's I was thinking yeah we grew up like sisters and brothers anyway before my dad died like you know my grandma give me it's me and my auntie like we're on a couple years apart like she is the torch and me like me in class me and my auntie like me and my daddy got a lot of pictures together with me and my auntie got more pictures together than me and anybody in my whole family well y'all are close that's a love bro like I said when we talked to her and I do call her she know I pick up that phone call in a heartbeat she just always pick up the phone no matter what city we in she gonna be like what's up man what's up so that's a good thing that that you know that you able to you had that bun God has a way of feeling gaps you know what I mean he has a way of making it everything okay you know I'm saying I believe that you know I'm saying so what what's next though like like after this project after what what do you see for your music career what do you want it to go man actually I've been debating on going back into trying to shop for deals okay you independent a long time I turned on a lot of deals in my career so yeah I'm gonna shop myself out again and get more into doing more business in music at the time when I was turning down it really makes sense it really don't make sense to get into deals my days but it's basically like in endorsed yeah I'm sounding like you need that everybody need that yeah I spent at least like a hundred out my pocket in music every year if you might work on get it all right at least you feel me so I rather somebody come in to be like I write you put 200 I put 400 you know and that make me bigger so I'm just looking to go big and grow my other businesses I'm constantly growing with them so what is the name of the bit I got soldier power okay I'm a landlord you know okay you got a real estate real estate and I'm so I'm looking to get into 18 will is right now don't don't I kind of want to Tesla 18 will is a start out I want to go back to something man cuz you like to say it's a lot when they come down the peeling back the things the layers of things that you've accomplished I wanted to ask about the the fact of going when you went to see a dad in jail later on you started to go see Mack and you in see murder right I want to see see murder and I got to see make two okay that's how they went because me and him talked about that me and Mac that he was locked up in the same place where see murder was at so man it was in a man it was in a like kids in school brother excited you know but I guess it's exciting time when you get to see people from the world get to come visit you know how did you see him I mean I set up a visitation me and see murder daughters we had a real great relationship I'm I still it's still all loving you know everybody just grew up yeah like who was younger was trying to figure out what was having going on who was real close I used to be with them almost every day you know I'm saying even if I wasn't with them I used to talk with them every day but so yeah his daughter ended up sending out the visitation for me you know Sam because he really wanted to see me so he called for me it was a daughter set of the visitation he used to call me a lot that's how I got a couple skits over the phones and stuff you know so he helped me like structure my first project we had a song that we had already did when he was on house arrest so you know it was like it was cool it was cool to just have to know the relationship and to just be able to you know Sam be a part of that how how was it though like like come and say when with how is it do you still talk with him I had talked to him in a minute um I was supposed to go he had sent for me another visitation probably like two three months after that visitation but by that time I had caught a case so I couldn't even do the visitation no more and we just lost connect bro like I said I start getting into a lot of more other stuff you know you know I'd be like I kept changing my phone numbers do you think you ever go back and see yeah once I get all my leads though cleared up I'm just not eligible right now yeah but at some point you want to go back and reconnect with that because that's a tough break they got a my JP I just rolled them out too long on JP so you understand yeah you'll reach out to him like it was cool like I was able to sit down with my bottom lunch don't kick the light you know how did you see Mack though during that time was he just coming out just to visit somebody himself when you went there his wife was there at the time there it is I was able to sit on it you together don't don't it was like a cafeteria room okay okay just like cafeteria you just basically everybody come out do you remember the conversation like when with Mack and y'all are you just like hey how you doing man good to see you you know just talk like we had oh we have been talking you know saying Mac used to be coming to the phone talking on him so we have been talking okay okay may just it was just love just embracing each other you know I'm saying he was really talking about you know they'd be my daddy bro of course of course going through it but I understood it but I understand it as much as I do now because I know people who got kids when I lost a life you know I'm looking at the kids like that and I really know your dad like yeah so you know you get it understand it now so it's like the more I grew up the more I get the more understand have you got have you gotten to speak to Mack since he been hold yeah um a few times okay so that that's a good thing it's always a good thing when you can reconnect I can't I kind of honestly feel like I should do a lot more I should reach out a lot more but man day-to-day be killing it you know I'm saying growing up just trying to grow and learn more you know everybody you're caught up in life so I don't even take a person that people don't reach out to me because they be love every time we greet each other we embrace each other man you know Mac man Mac with dope dude man KMS man care dope like some good dudes man like I put these people in my life bro and it's been nothing but blessings upon blessings when you think about the stuff we just link brothers I'm older cat so to link with dudes that's like my age and and really click like we click oh we come from an old law we did a different set of rules and it's just a new generation I don't got no more than no cause that they love yeah it's different man I was really raised by OGs not IG I like that man so amen one thing I could say is we always ask a question man like I want to know your top three artists of all time did or live any genre number one my pops hey boy that's a good choice right there why um at first my pops wasn't always there okay filming like one artist that always been there juvenile okay always that don't know my dad was alive I used to like juvenile yeah yeah you know but as I got older I understood why he was the king of New Orleans my pops why why was he the king it's just what he like what he represent don't know nobody else music make you feel like his like a lot of people make great music you know Sam but that's real authentic rap you know and and compared to the error that it come from like he was the only person during that time doing that I when he dropped this project Lil Wayne dropped too if I'm any was throwing that shit out the window really I'm telling you quarter one didn't care nothing about that they just care about your dad's telling that what it was what it was you think that's the reason why he was mad when you see but they really thought like it was really all about your pops project and that's a good thing man because look I say God know what he doing like a lot of times you didn't you would never knew he wasn't gonna be here at the time but God always looks on the other side of what we look at through this people whole life and see the whole picture so you know I look at my partner he used to have better stuff than me growing up he ended up dying at 2726 and but I always used to be like dang envy is like jealous of kind of what he had versus what I had but but now you know time passed on understood why God let him have the things he has early on because he passed away early you see what I'm saying so I might not have understood it when it was going on but it clicked at some point hey man that's why that happened and I know like them that that's why he was like he was you know let me very talented got me miss Mike but um yeah number two I'm like I see my pops juvenile gotta be number two with our number two man that boy that was bad what which was your favorite song by juvenile I don't even know cuz throughout the years like I always been a part of his career like even before me him just connected I was always deep in like I always like like you know I people listening to a CD for a certain song that they don't like I'm bumping the whole CD I'm hoping I know Arizona where from where it was it was it was different it was arrows of that boy because he was with it's almost he would wrap a lot before that he was we cash money don't get it twisted but it was phases of him that went in and out of situations that made him look different I landed rough record that's right I'm telling us different versions juvenile so juvenile had to be number two number three I don't know who up in number three because I like it had to be me I figured you's gonna say that it had to be me but if I couldn't use myself and a lot of people might like it might be like all this crazy no you know you say that it'll probably be if it had if it couldn't be me it'll probably be like it'll be in between like young people along with really like Pee Wee Longway Pee Wee Longway like to me I think Pee Wee Longway like the coldest rapper to come out of Atlanta today Pee Wee Longway Pee Wee Longway I don't know you probably can't understand what he be saying bro you got realized you got you messy messing around you got some niggas down here man you got you got Gucci man you got TI Gucci man you got Rocco down here niggas you know Rocco is yeah Rocco look listen come on man you got some niggas down here man then you got JD down here listen to what I'm saying listen to what I'm saying he's in Atlanta you can't do this man Ludacris even down there these niggas some niggas down here okay so I will put baby to me no me goes no what no they ain't talking with he talking it's what he talking he talk like alright like he this why I said it had to be between him and young thug like a lot of people look at young thug they're like I understand what he was saying when you first came out understand what he was saying but if you listen to what he's saying he really spent some shit you feel me rich home McQuarr ain't bad rich home McQuarr I'm a trap rapper Peewee Longway one of the reasons why I'm a trap rapper Peewee Longway and young Dolph is the same type of artist they just don't rap the same you wouldn't even think that right now Dolph is cold but Keeglock I'm gonna move over Keeglock man look which is of course a branch I grow fresh and Peewee Longway is the same type of rapper yeah I can see that but they don't sound the same he got that he got this sound like how thug had this sound but he stand what he saying and the words he used like he twisting it up like you feel me I get it oh I guess you just gotta listen to him like I get it man always since the blue eminem the first one damn I'm just trying to I'm trying to get with it man like I see a lot of the youngsters coming out man doing they thing man y'all dope to be honest with you a lot of dope artists but she's asking for my favorite with my top artist that nigga said Peewee Longway number three if you couldn't say itself I love you a little baby I write love baby little baby hard come on there it is I already knew it love baby hard but and your trap rapper oh I just like I like Peewee Longway bro I'm gonna be honest with you I'm a money man for you money man call you forgot about money man money man one of my favorite rapper exactly not my top why you think money all right listen you tell me Peewee Longway you can't say money man listen to what I'm about to say I ain't say all right money money man like a be like write that with Peewee Longway probably like you know something one or two players under it like not talking about by the same talking about my list personally okay okay yeah that's you listen all right think about how many rappers money man did a CD with all that lamp nobody bo peewee long way I think it's dope man but you got realized where you from see one from you from the capital bro when it comes down to what we are who we are the essence of our the way the bounce music is the way the culture is where you come from it's on a whole nother level bro thanks I'm being real like the way you sound it's something about you have to hold yourself in a set standard because to look at all the people that came before you and what you have to you know I'm saying you got to sip your dad and all these you know what kind of sound these niggas were coming from around them day in them damn swamps but that's why you don't hear me out you're like I don't wrap like young dog Peewee Longway no you feel me you can't wrap I wrap like you know I'm saying you have to all right even like I still don't wrap on old cash money beats old no limit beats like I write like a lot of these you ever done your dad son yeah which one a couple of them and you like doing them or I mean I just do it for a tribute okay ain't some I'm trying to capitalize off I want you to really hear me that's why I'll get on his beats cuz it's already too much comparisons yeah it's up yeah no but I like the way that you you you embrace it though you took you a while to get there didn't yeah because I was running from it at first I was rebellious but you was young yeah I was real rebellious regardless like we covered everything we cover everything you think what about you what give me something that I didn't cover that that needs to be spoke on when it come down to that boy man you know so just when you ain't cover how hard this project is let's go over it let's go over and let's go over some of the visuals I want to go over the visuals one videos did you do the videos you put out behind it in the process and then we'll end it like that um actually I said I had nine videos I got ten videos of the project okay let's talk about your favorite one my favorite one is a slow motion remake really but it's a pounce slow motion song it's slow motion like it like that yeah but it's a pounce on yeah and on the hook I got my boy Alan Cuba's rapping he signed away really yeah but I got him rapping on in Spanish so we reaching you know some other countries but I took like 15 chicks to Miami for the video I rented two yachts you know I bought them all bikinis going in without the wild I had whole case two kids the cost of me goes so you gotta imagine what that was like it went down through the rules in Miami Hermes mansion like it was just a real good vibe lovely man um so the next one my neck my second favorite one and it's with visuals yeah all these visuals my second favorite one would be my second favorite favorite visual would be switches with sauce Walker you got switches with sauce Walker my project because I did this like this I just dropped it just came out eat this morning oh it just came out you know you heard what happened to songs last night yeah but nothing happened to him you heard what happened to the other person like man do one of more James rappers I ever met when I met do so about like I met him a couple times he was coming to Orleans my got a pilot trip yeah he's have a studio so I used to hang with trip you every day music been a studio he's never caught for friends though matter of fact on he owned New Orleans Caden cuisine right to downtown Walker Street so so I was used to come through so when I reconnected with him at South by Southwest Asia I was like you remember me and his pilot was like man what's up little soldier like what do you like oh you saw the slump saying I remember you would do it while so he was I was on that a book of people be jamming them up every way go be trying to get verses and I'm like man I'm forget what they told me I'm really trying to get a verse what's up you know son he like man give my partner number but it probably had already got my number cuz you know they they already be known who I be liking the outside with liking them so yeah we connected and we end up not doing it and Austin I went back to Houston cuz I've been here was and I like you know like to hang out in Houston I like to go to their clubs it's just a vibe it's a way about better vibe than I would show you know sad to me but picking up good but um when the Houston we did the we linked up and I guess like it'd be so many people be trying to tap in what they don't be serious so I put up on them like everything he told me like I had double that on me anyway so I'm like was up like I gather bread he looking at me like all right so he's like just chill with me so we chilling I guess he was just filling me out you know son we just chopping it up he was like man I like you dad me all you feel me like man I like you just hang with me and I hung with him probably for like two three days you know son then even a couple days after that I just kept bumping into him around Houston wow he's like man you really he's like man you live here now it is your city real tough who's in the mall he was like walk on the age time yeah I think Galleria was at a Galleria but like just the whole time I was hanging with him it was love like he really showed me the Texas culture he really like shoved me around in a Maybach you feel me like it was real love like it wasn't no I don't see many people that you get in a car you're alone day back see you're alone in a Maybach truck you feel me he shoved me around in a Maybach truck like yeah like it was love man how did you how did you uh did you really like do you think he like the hardest nigga out of Houston when he come down this rap yeah he's the hardest nigga out of Texas and honestly oh out of Texas I ain't gonna say he the hard out of Texas out of Texas what and I ain't gonna say he the hard bro you got a lot of niggas out of Texas bro listen I ain't gonna say he the hardest rapper he the hardest nigga just how he come just his demeanor with the ice with the you know what I'm saying with the cars like just how he come like you know what I'm saying he come like a 30 he come like a Texas nigga that's what he come like he hold it down yeah yeah I got some cousins he remind me of just they older than him so when I think of Houston I think about him he don't even realize he hold it down he just like a Houston nigga a real Houston nigga like this nigga is straight up they should be very proud the older niggas should be very proud of Texas nigga so I know just by the way a nigga carry itself what city is from from Texas whether he's from Dallas whether he's from Houston whether he's from Austin what you know just like you know if somebody from Baton Rouge you're right you be like that nigga from Baton Rouge you know I'm saying you could tell me exactly you gonna know that nigga ain't from New Orleans nigga from Baton Rouge that's the same way I am when it come down to a nigga from whether it be Austin San Antonio you can tell we different but you won't know that unless you in that thing you know in my generation a lot of that be so different you feel yeah it ain't with your front man anything no more you know it ain't that's from the old laws what I'm doing but both I love y'all youngsters man you man sauce walker man like I say it's a bunch it's a litany I'm we got cats uh that that's from like the Dallas area uh bumper Johnson I keep talking about here lately uh Big X to plug you got some dudes from over there man then you got a big you heard a big X he then you got yeah he he having the hell of a he bought the next wave that I see coming um then you got you know dude out of he he was 1501 you got TK but let me tell you what's crazy at the South by Southwest when I'm telling you he he knew who I was you know I'm saying I'm 15 no wonder you know okay smoothie yeah smoothie know you yeah how did you listen to smoothie music it's love when I check it out I'm like I'm liking you rocking it yeah you know I'm saying it's Texas and I like Texas like I don't know like you said earlier Texas is so much like Louisiana yeah but they are authentic like ain't really like I mean it's fun if you ever what but it's like they be solid they be standing over they be standing on there and trying to be nobody else they ain't faking it for nobody you know what I'm saying and I'm big on that that's how I'm rocking that's why that's what a hot boy was hot boy was love y'all too yeah you listen to hot boy was yeah I check them out yeah it's a bunch of niggas that love Texas in Louisiana PMC it's a Texas lose everything PMC and Master P you know what I mean how was it and I gotta say this is he down there already okay DJ uh how is it uh you how do you feel when you hear a snoop dog talk about your dad I met Snoop Dogg I'm um I ran my city so I met Snoop Dogg on two different okay a snoop dog dad is from the part of Mississippi where I stayed in okay I didn't know that I think it was his granddad so like they own property and stuff out there okay yeah um so like just growing up watching them and then when I got to meet him like it was love he embraced me you know I'm saying we took a couple pictures he was trying to pass me a weave but I was so lord it was like like that's the only person I ever met it was like bro I'm really one with Snoop Dogg smoke with Snoop Dogg like yeah I done been around boohoo famous people you feel me but I was like I'm gonna snoop dog like that's crazy because Snoop Dogg is he I don't I don't put Snoop Dogg in the category with a lot of other people like he's so much more you feel me he what the black community always needed like he ain't taking the ignorant route if I'm like he did what he did but he didn't really just go all the way ignorant with it and that's how he was able to do the Martha Stewart thing and you know saw the different podcast this is a Super Bowl halftime shows um law and order you know it's so much Snoop Dogg like it ain't too much Snoop Dogg haven't done if I'm in commutation like other games and stuff like you know so I look at Snoop Dogg told it different like you know something wow Snoop Dogg talks highly of your dad he talks about him living with him when he first came in an apartment with him um when you hear those stories and stuff did you have you when you spoke with him have your dad ever came up he'd never spoke on yeah it wasn't like it was brief seconds brief second would you like to have a sit down with Snoop about your dad that's um you see what I'm saying just to talk to him about your part because he really had a relationship with your dad and to that the same as Kale Kale the same as Kale the same as uh um I mean of course the family but I'm talking about certain ones who he's not going to unfold this stuff like he would with a snoop that's his homie or with a Kale and Snoop gonna have two different type of relationships with him everybody different everybody different but those are things that you could latch on to you know just to just get a feel for certain things because they might know some things knowing them that nobody's not gonna know you know what I'm saying for sure man um we love you brother you family now thank you for having me hey she ain't said much she ain't said my wife for 20 years she's sitting there quiet she was interested because of the history of the music she know how I am when it comes down to the music I really love music I really love Snoop doggie dog when he first came out 1acm on undercover cop I knew that that changed the whole momentum of what was going on when it came down to ruthless and all that and the death row movement and all that this dude was totally different sounded different than all of them when when drape went and linked up with him when he went to two one three first like I really rocked with the nickel you know I'm saying I think I think the most amazing thing about Snoop Dogg career in music would have seen Snoop Dogg with the biggest artist the most gastest artist from Tupac the NBA young boy that's real ain't nobody else I've ever did it that's real it's just so much with him because of KL too it's the same like hearing KL see stories about him and him coming to the studio after he leaves death row I have memories like that that I hold on to now because of the conversations I've had with KL or a big court he's another guy must be best friend that gave me these stories and I hold on to him with dear life and try to get him tired with youth and you know bridge these gaps so we'll have the history to hold on to you know what I'm saying but you wanted dope ones man I love hey I love the fact that you can't sit down with us you you come in the Dallas too yeah the boss talk 101 to come on the sit yeah so all that's happening actually I'm putting together meet and greet right now so it's gonna be um as a right now I just have Atlanta New Orleans put Dallas on the list Houston and Dallas New Orleans and Atlanta because once you come to Dallas I'm gonna link you with all of the let's put it all of the whether it be the podcast radio stage whatever press kit we can put together you know what I'm saying man thank you so much for coming on the show bro love hey it's been another great segment a boss talk 101 we down in ATL man we ran into young soldier slim little soldier slim it's going down man holly to boy it's a unique hustle and we out


Okay, good morning everybody, to all the students here online as well as those who joined us on the e-learning. Today is our last class, so just a note that we will not be having class next week. So today is our last class. Is this better? Can you all hear me now? Yeah, I think you can. Okay, so sorry, the students were just sharing about what they have learnt. Yes, we've left with Oni Sri Radha now. Yes, Rita, what have you learnt? Not to be judgmental. Not to be judgmental and confidentiality is the main thing. Okay. We should not share. Like, whatever the situation is, we should not share it. Not share. Okay. Alright, what about the online students? I think there's Nina, Chira, Shivakumar, Jack in Antony. What are some things that you have picked up through the last 13 weeks? You can put it on the chat if you don't want to. Online students? Okay, alright. I'm hoping that you all have learnt something and it's been helpful. Okay, today we will focus... Sorry, there's a comment. I'm just presenting this. There's a comment. Okay. So Shivakumar said, learnt how counselling is to be done. A lot of misunderstanding has been cleared. Okay. Good. Thank you. Thank you, Shivakumar. Okay. So today we are going to wrap up and we're going to... Just like any other work that we do, there are some ethical guidelines that we need to follow, even when, even in counselling. Okay. Do you understand by what it means, what the word ethics mean? What is ethics? Fair practices. Very good. Or any kind of practices that actually... That should not. So you're having certain guidelines that don't violate the person or you as a professional or even the relationship. So that's what we look at ethics. So there are even ethics when you look at Christian counselling. There are certain ethics that is good to follow. Now, this has... Again, if we're looking at what ethics are, it's certain principles that actually specify what is good and what may not be. And it also classifies what you can do, what you should not be doing. It helps you see what is right, what is wrong and how we can apply some of those beliefs. Okay. So we're going to be looking at what some of these ethics are. And as even as people, not just as counsellors, but even as people, it's good to actually follow some of these practices. Okay. So we look at professional ethics. So as it's written here, what is ethics? It's the standards that actually govern your conduct as a counsellor and how you operate through these sessions or through anything that you may be doing. Okay. Okay. So quickly just looking at why are code of ethics necessary? Why is it important for us to have this? One, it gives you a common set of beliefs and values. Right? Everyone knows that these are certain practices that we need to follow. Okay. All right. And so when they are specified, there is no ambiguity in it. There isn't a question as, oh, should I be saying yes to this? Should I be saying no to that? So there is a set of beliefs and set of standards that we follow. Now, even as we are talking about set of standards and beliefs, Christian counselling, Christian counselling is based on what? On scripture. On scripture. Right? On biblical guidelines, on biblical scripture, on the person of Jesus Christ, his revelation in both the Old and the New Testament. So that's the base and that's where we get our guidelines also from. Okay. So nothing that is contrary to the word is even practiced ethically. Okay. All right. So going back, what are some of the, what are some of the needs? Why should we have these ethical? Like I said, it gives you a certain standard. It tells you how you can, how you should be behaving as a counsellor. What kind of care should you be taking care of? What are some of those practices that you have to keep in check? Now, when there are some ethics, it also reassures the people, the counsellor who is actually sitting in front of you. Right? Like for example, one of the ethical considerations is confidentiality. So when a counsellor is sitting in front of you, they don't have to keep fearing the fact that, okay, will this counsellor go and share this because it's a guideline. It's a practice that whatever they share here will be maintained. So it is a practice. And so it gives the reassurance to the people who actually come to you.  Okay. Because you also know that there are, you are bound by certain ethics, bound by certain guidelines. And you should not be violating that. So it's almost like a protective factor also for you. Like I'll give you for example, let's say you have broken confidentiality of someone who, who's spoken about wanting to commit suicide. All right. And let's say someone puts a legal case on you saying that as a counsellor she, you know, breached confidentiality. But you're protected because under the ethical guidelines, if they are harmed to themselves or harmed to somebody else, you can breach that confidentiality. Got that? So you're also protective among these ethical guidelines. Got that? Okay. The next is it reflects counselling as a profession. Like we were talking, you know, everyone does counselling. You go to anyone, they'll say, I counsell so and so, right? But it is actually a skill based profession. It's something that is a profession and, and, and everyone and anyone does not do that without actually being prepared or learning the skills, right? So you need to be equipped with the skills, with the knowledge, with the understanding, with biblical guidance to become a Christian counsellor. All right. Okay. Next is it actually raises the quality of practice. So what does that mean that because these, like if you have a certain boundary, you know where you have to be, you know, where you have to play, right? You don't play outside of it. And so you know that these are certain things that is needed. Like, for example, when you're dealing with a counsellor, you know, when they're talking and crying, you have to be paying attention. You're using the skills of attending. You're using the skills of responding. That's how you're raising that quality of care. And lastly, it also gives a place where people can bring about complaints of a counsellor of how they are or what it is. Now in India, we specifically don't have an association for ethical guidelines. So this has been borrowed by the American Association guidelines. Okay. It's been borrowed from that. But in general, these are certain practices that we need to ensure. Okay. Is that clear? Okay. So what is the mission? The mission is to ensure that you have an ethical framework from where you can operate so that you're ensuring the dignity and care of any person who comes to you for help. So a couple of things. There's a framework. Okay. There is, you are offering dignity and care for those who are coming to you and those who are receiving your services. So that's what the mission of this ethical guideline is. All right. If you look at scripture, again, there is a scriptural admonition for all of us or for those especially in this kind of a ministry to be able to ensure that we take care of the needs of others to bear others burdens. And so when we bear the others burdens, what does it say? We fulfill the law of Christ. We fulfill what God came to do, what Jesus came to do when we bear each other's burdens. Again, in Galatians 610, it says good to all people, especially to those in the household of faith. So people in problems, in struggle, do it, do good to them. Again, in Philippians, it says, do not merely look at your own personal interests, but at the interests of other people. It's something that the Bible also tells us to do is to bear each other's burdens, to do good, to ensure that we are helping others, but within a framework, within a guideline. Okay, Francis, are you here? Okay. All right. Okay. So we're going to be looking at some guidelines and there are seven in all. And we will look at seven of these ethics. So here it's just a list first and then we will get into each of them. So there is compassion, there's competence, consent, confidentiality, cultural regard, collegiality and community presence. Okay. So we will discuss each of this in detail. Okay. Right. So let's look at the first one. It's compassion in Christian counseling and it is, what does it call us to do? It calls us to be servants, to have a heart of servanthood. So in Christianity or in Christian, just look at what Jesus did. What was the hallmark of his ministry? What is the most important thing in his ministry? Compassion, people. Yeah. So yes. So it was, it was that to give to others, to bear each other's burdens. So compassion and service is, is the main point of Christian. And so it should also be of Christian counseling as well. So counselors should proactively look at being compassionate rather than exploiting, discriminating or even bringing about any kind of harm. So how do you bring harm? How could you bring harm to your counseling? Yes. Yeah. When you, when you, when you character assassinate them, when you judge them, when you give wrong advice, right, it could probably mean more harm than it is. It's actually helpful. So that's why that's what we're looking when we're saying about compassion and service, not giving any suggestion that can actually be really more harmful. Like I'll give you a simple example. Let's say in a marriage, a wife comes to you. Okay. And for example, let's say they are going through violence in the house. The husband is, there's domestic violence. And in case your suggestion is something like, you know, you must continue staying there, serve him, be faithful, just keep praying. You know, even if he beats you, just keep praying. What would that do? Yeah. So it can harm, right? So you've got to be extremely careful on how you make those suggestions. And sometimes we make suggestions without even knowing the full truth, right? So being very, very careful about how and what you do. And that's exactly why you don't give suggestions. You get them, draw from them. What is it that may be useful for them in their situation? Okay. All right. So you must be aware of the influence that you as a counselor have. The spiritual influence as well as the social influence you as a counselor can have because people do tend to look up to, let's say a pastor or a counselor or a leader, isn't it? And then they take that advice, but then it needs to come with that sense of compassion and service. All right. Got that. So that's what we're looking at compassion in Christian counseling. Now, just to just to also again highlight a few things. We need to remember that as counselors, we do not support certain things. Abortion. Okay. Separation and divorce. We don't support an assist. All right. But there could be times that the person chooses to. All right. And we let we allow that freedom for them to do so. Okay. We separation and divorce. Right. So there may be maybe something like for example, let's say adultery. Okay. Maybe the counseling comes in and says that they have decided that they would like a divorce. You are not assisting them to do it. All right. But you are taking them through that journey. That doesn't mean all because you are sorry. Yeah. That is something you don't do. You're not. Yeah. You're not there advocating it or things like that. But then if they make that choice, you help them through that journey. That's what it means. You don't support and assist them to do that. Okay.  We don't support assist condone that substance abuse and other substance abuses, things like alcoholism, drug addiction or any other addictive behavior, homosexual, bisexual, transgender behavior, euthanasia and assisted suicide. You know what euthanasia is? It's to a decision to kill one to end one's own life. Okay. I think it's in Germany if I'm not mistaken. In some countries made legal.  You can make that decision that you want to die. Right. So that's something that as counselors, we do not support or advocate. Okay. All right. Okay. With the first one, second one is competence. What do you mean by the word competence? Do you know what the meaning of competence is? Competence is mainly how you work, the way that you work. The kind of excellence that you put into your work. All right. So in Christian counseling, the call is to be a competent counselor. So what does being a competent counselor mean? Yeah. So you're doing all the best that you can to help someone. So which means if you do not know how to do it. One is you have to learn or step back and let someone else do it. Because remember, this is the, it's a life of a person. Right. We can't be taking it lightly. So if you feel that is you do not have a competence, ensuring that you pick up the skills and the ability to do that so that you have your excellent in your work. Okay. So you are honoring the call to be an excellent worker or an excellent professional. So it, what does this also mean is that you are also knowing and respecting the boundaries of competence, which means you know what is it that you're able to do? What is it that you're not able to do? What is it that you may give to someone else? So you are maintaining the highest standards, even of integrity. That is you're being honest. You're being authentic in the way that you offer whatever help or support that you are giving. Okay. Okay. Now what is this call to excellence? Remember, there are some guidelines again for, for example, let's suppose you go back to your own homes. Okay. And there isn't what do you say? There isn't availability of someone like a counselor, like a Christian counselor. You're probably one among the very few. So what can you do if you do find yourself in a place where you feel you're not competent, you can consult somebody else and get the support or get something like a supervision so that you can get the best help that you want. All right. Or you can refer to those maybe others that are there outside. Now Christian counselors, remember, do not counsel or advise against professional counseling. So for example, they're also going to a secular counselor. Okay. And the secular counselor is maybe telling them something. What our call to excellence is not to say, no, no, no, don't follow them. They are after money. They don't know what they're doing. You know, just keep away. Don't take those medicines. Don't do what they're saying. You know, come here under the guidance. Got that? Okay. But you can, what you, what you, what you should be doing is to really understand what kind of support they're getting from there and to allow them to make that decision about that support. So as it's written here, you as a Christian counselor, do not counsel, do not counsel or advise against professional counseling, medical or psychiatric treatment, use of medications, legal counsel or other forms of professional service merely because they, because you believe such practice is wrong or because the person who's providing this is not a Christian. All right. Is that clear? So we've got to be very careful of how we excellently work without really putting an issue for, for others who are working in the profession. All right. Francis. All right. Yeah. What? All right. Okay. The third one is consent, consent in Christian counseling, which is a call to integrity. So what is the meaning of consent? Permission. Consent is permission. Permission. Kind of. Okay. You're taking permission. Yeah. An agreement or a permission. Okay. So in Christian counseling, it is very important to take consent, informed consent. And that is why all those who come to us for counseling in Chrysalis, they fill up a form and they give us a signature saying that they consent to the practices of Chrysalis, which is where we do say that we, we are scriptural and we do follow a scriptural and biblical guidelines and principles. So then they do sign that. Okay. So it's getting consent. Also consent for the structure and process of counseling. Sometimes they may want to know, they've come in multiple issues, but they don't want to deal with some. They want to deal with only a few. And so taking that consent that, okay, we will talk about only this and that. And not, not really delve into things that they may be, that they may not want to talk to. So that's what we're looking at consent of the structure and process of counseling. Next is consent from parents, legal guardian or counseling representative. Like if it's a minor, right, you take the consent from a parent documentation of consent, which is like a written document and then consent for biblical and spiritual practices and counseling that you're taking consent that we are going to be looking only at guidelines from scripture. So if they're not, if they don't feel that's something that they want to do, they're free not to take the service. Okay. Any questions? Okay. Do you have a question? Okay. Okay. So on person, like, I asked later. You'll ask later. You'll plan the question in your head. Okay. So what all did we look at up to now? Compassion, competence. Okay. Competence is excellence and then consent. Okay. All right. Okay. So that's consent. Good. Consent means integrity, right? Okay. Next is collegiality. What is collegiality? It is you are recognizing and valuing the benefit of forming effective relationships with other people. Okay. The collegiality like the word colleagues, it comes from the word colleagues. Okay. That you have good relationships and good working relationship with other people. Like maybe as a counselor, you may need to work closely with a pastor. Right. You may need to work closely with, let's say, probably other, maybe someone in a hospital, maybe like a doctor. Right. So having that a call to a relationship to ensure that whatever you do, you're doing it with absolute meekness and humility. So this can include other mental health practitioners. It can include ministry leaders in the community. It can include mentors, mentees. It can include educators, maybe the person, there's a teacher, there is a school, college, right? So it can come in all of this. So basically it is cooperating and respecting the thoughts and the work that they bring into the person in question. Okay. You remember your question? Okay. Chen. So we discussed like we should not like promote the divorce. But in like Christian marriage and family, we learned about like if it's another relationship, it's okay to divorce. So how it like... You're not the one who's advocating it. You're counseling. Like one person is like shouting like I need to divorce. This is the problem. Correct. So if your counseling comes with the need to divorce, what you are through your practice, you're helping them see other ways in which we can resolve this issue. Okay. So you try and come help them to look at other alternatives. If still they decide to make that choice, they make the choice. So they still make the choice. You're not the one suggesting say, okay, I think there's nothing else to do but have a divorce. Yeah, it should come from the person themselves. Right? It's not that we support and say, you know, any individual, anyone that becomes the first solution. That's what I mean to say. You're right that there may be some points that nothing else will work but to divorce, but allowing the counseling to come to a point to make that informed decision themselves. Okay. All right. The next one is confidentiality in Christian counseling. It is a call to trustworthiness. Now, confidentiality, like we all know it's the ability to keep in confidence everything that is shared to you. So when you are confidential, what are you doing? You are recognizing that your counseling has the right to the fundamental right to keep private all that they have shared with you. It is their right to have it shared with you. And the very fact that they have come and opened themselves out to you is a feeling of wanting to be trusted and wanting to give their trust in you. So it's a call to trustworthiness. So when someone's come to you with their problems, it's for us a call to be trustworthy. We do not give away any kind of information. So what the person can be bringing in could be their personal thoughts, their opinions, their beliefs, their behaviors. And we are ensuring that they are protected from any kind of a public view or public opinion. Okay. Confidentiality. Yes. Okay. Next is cultural regard in Christian counseling. It's a call to dignity. So especially in India where we have a huge number of cultures. So what are we called to do? We are to recognize that all people have been created in the image of God and they all have a right to be valued and respected. No matter what culture they come from, what background they come from, we give them the utmost respect and dignity that is due to them and all because they may not be a part of our culture or they may not be doing things the way that we do. They are due for disrespect. Okay. So that's what we mean by cultural regard. Like for example, let's suppose a person who let's say somebody from the LGBTQ community comes to you. Right. We treat them with absolute dignity and care and compassion. Okay. What happened, Anand? Okay. So again, what is this called to dignity? Yeah. So, yeah, you remember, yeah, respecting is not agreeing. It's not even supported. It's agreeing with their ideas. It's not agreeing. Right. It doesn't mean agreement. Yeah. We respect, we love them for who they are. Right. We may not agree or condone their behaviors, but as people, they are people. Treat them with dignity. You have something to say? No. Okay. So when we're looking at this cultural regard, it's important for us to have a knowledge of various cultural practices and worldviews. Like for example, let's say an atheist comes to you. It's good to know what atheists believe in or an agnostic comes to you. It's good to know what they believe in or a Buddhist comes to you. Just have an idea about what they have so that you're also sensitive while you are helping. Right. Like for example, let's say someone who believes in idols come to you, believes in idols, idol idols come to you. Right.  What's going to happen? They won't come again. Right. And because we need to be sensitive about what they believe in, not that if not that we must change them then and there and make them, you know, a believer and a spirit led Christian. That's unsalvation. It's not that it's to meet them at their point of need. She must be coming to you with some parenting issues and she said, oh, I pray to my idol also. And then you say believing in idols is a sin. Right. So being very sensitive and the one way of doing that is to actually know about different cultural practices. Yeah. On this Christian leaders, Christian counselors and all. So there is one comment like they, they changes into Christians. They just show this counseling or some compassion or some few things. They'll show few things and they'll changes. So on the process, what is, what should be our answer? So, and that's why there is this consent that is there saying that we follow scriptural principles, we follow the Bible. Right. And there are so even among Christian counselors, there are different kinds of groups.  Okay. They will admonish you on the word. They said, this is not what the Bible says. That's not what you should be doing. Right. And so it's making reference to probably people like that because there are, there is a group of counselors who do that. Right. However, we, our principles are there. Nevertheless, we don't condone, we don't assist anyone in doing that. But we are open to helping them look at something different, to look at it at a different site. So it depends on which framework you come from. If we are counseling non-Christian, what is the biblical boundary for us to not go beyond that, as a Christian grounds well. So we have this influence right on Bible. This is his teachings and whatever all. So what should be the biblical boundary for us? If it is a non-Christian, if the counseling is a non-Christian. So one is remember free will that they should be, they should make the choice and be in agreement that they are willing to take on the teachings or the, or principles in Christianity. Right. We should never override that will. Right. That is when we override will, that's when it becomes more like a force that becomes more pushed on to them. But knowing that they have a free will, but even in counseling, like we were talking about remember, we spoke about disclosure. Disclosure is where the counselor can bring about some personal stories about the way things have changed for them, depending on what you're talking about. Right. So there you have the right to say this is what my story has been. So if they express interest as a result of that is when you can open up a conversation. If they say, no, I'm not too much of a believer in it. I don't want to. So you could say, you know, would you like to explore what the Bible says or do you want, would you like to explore what Christianity looks at? They may say, no, I'm not interested. So you let you respect that. Yeah. Okay. So when we're looking at cultural regard, this is something we need to find look at is how do we work with persons of different faiths, religions and values. So counselors share their own faith only as a function of legitimate self-disclosure. That's what I mentioned. Only when you're in a place of disclosing a self-disclosure and when appropriate to the counselor's need. Right. So you're not going to do this with every counselor is sharing your faith and bringing them to salvation prayer. No. Okay. While you always maintain a posture of humility, again, when you work with people of different religions, you're not imposing your values. Okay. While Christian counselors may expose counselors to their faith orientation, you do not impose your beliefs or practices to them. Okay. You are making them open like, for example, even when they come to the church office, they're seeing the environment there. They're seeing verses. They're seeing someone praying for them. Right. They are exposed to the orientation, but they're not imposed with beliefs and practices. Okay. All right. Is that clear? Okay. Next one. Case management in Christian counseling. Now, case management. What is the word case management means?  Let's say you're making biscuits. Is there any difference from one biscuit packet at the other biscuit packet? There's no difference. Actually, there isn't a difference. It's all the same. Right. You're manufacturing biscuit. Okay. In a factory. Good day biscuit. Good day butter biscuit. And there are, all butters are the same. That's what I said. Right. Yeah. So, but when you're looking at in Christian counseling, each person or each case, I know it sounds very impersonal when you say case, but case management is a term that you use in counseling. Each person is, has a, has a unique or a, what's the word, customized way of dealing with them. Right. You're not following a, yeah. No one to 10 process. No. Each person is different. And that's, that's what helps in Christian counseling. So comprehensive and tarot case management always considers the whole person. That is their biological factors, psychological, emotional, cognitive, social, cultural, relational spiritual, because every person is a mix of all of this, all of these factors. All right. So it, it's important that we ensure that we look at all of these areas to give them the best service that is possible. So that's what we mean by case management. So every case, a person that comes to you is considered uniquely looking at all of these factors so we can curate a plan or a program or a treatment for them that is specifically needed for their individual needs. Okay. And the last one is community presence in Christian counseling. And it is what, it is a call to humility. What does that mean? Where we are, we are aware that we are playing a larger role in our community or in our society. Okay. So we have, as the Bible tells us, we are called to be salt and light. We are called to be God's ambassadors. And whatever we do, we do it for the honor and for the glory of God. Okay. So let me go back to those. Yeah. So it's compassion, competence, consent, confidentiality. Oh, sorry. Cultural regard, collegiality and community presence. Okay. So these are the ethics that we need to take care of. Okay. Any questions? Community presence. Let me go back. Go to that. Okay. So in what, huh? This one, right? Yeah. So wherever we are placed, we need to be, yeah, salt and light. We are aware that our influence is just not with the counseling, but it is also with the larger community, their family, the, the, the counseling's family, maybe their church. And so we are called to be the salt and light as God's ambassadors so that we will adopt and we will, we will offer practices or services or support or help in a way that brings God glory, right? That really brings about who we are as believers. Okay. Because we're just not serving one person. Through that one person, we are serving a community. Okay. So, so people in the community that they see you, you must be salt and light. Okay. All right. Any questions? Okay. So the last part is going to be boundaries and what should we take care of what we should be aware of. Okay. We'll start that in, in the next hour. Yeah. So we'll stop for a break and come back at 11 o'clock.