Are you a video content creator? Do you stream to platforms like YouTube and Twitch? If you do, then chances are you might be using some products made by Streamlabs. Streamlabs is a company that maintains their own fork of OBS, the open broadcaster software. Streamlabs also has a lot of cool widgets that you can add to your live stream such as chat alerts, subscriber notifications, little animations on the screen, you know, cool stuff like that. And a lot of people really like these products that Streamlabs creates. The problem is not their products though. The problem is Streamlabs, the company is shady as hell and some of the stuff they're doing may or may not be legal. If it's not illegal, that probably should be illegal. And right now Streamlabs, I will say is not a friend at all to free and open source software. And if you care about free and open source software, you really shouldn't be using Streamlabs because right now they're attacking one of the biggest pieces of open source software on the planet. And that is OBS, the open broadcaster software. So let me switch over to my browser and show you a little bit of what I'm talking about for those of you not familiar with Streamlabs or with OBS. This is the streamlabs.com homepage. And there's a button here to download their fork of OBS, Streamlabs OBS. It's Windows only. Of course, the open broadcaster software mainline OBS is for Windows Mac and Linux, but the Streamlabs guys, their fork is Windows only. That's fine. It's their project. They can do whatever they want with it. That's not really the problem. The problem is Streamlabs OBS has been around for a few years now, and it's always been a point of contention with the Streamlabs guys and the OBS guys about the name. If I go to Twitter here yesterday or maybe earlier today, just a few hours ago, the OBS team put out this tweet here. Let me read it. Near the launch of SLOBS, Streamlabs OBS, Streamlabs reached out to us about using the OBS name. We kindly asked them not to. They did so anyway and followed up by filing a trademark. We've tried to sort this out in private and they have been uncooperative at every term. So this is what I was talking about earlier, shady as hell, right? So you fork one of the most popular pieces of open source software on the planet, OBS. And then you use their name in your fork because really when you fork a piece of software, you're supposed to rename it. I mean, that's just standard practice. That's what everybody does.  And again, that's just not fair to the originator of that piece of software. So the OBS guys said, no, please don't use our names. Don't call your fork Streamlabs OBS, right? Just call it Streamlabs, whatever, or just Streamlabs by itself, Streamlabs Studio, Streamlabs Streaming, whatever, don't put OBS in the name. And they did it anyway. And now what they've done is they decided to file for a trademark on the OBS name. They want to take the OBS name from the open broadcaster software. Now I would like to tell you that this is just an isolated incident. I'd like to tell you that, but Streamlabs, the company, apparently they've done stuff like this a lot over the years. A matter of fact, after OBS tweeted this, I mean, we've got other people that decided to chime in other big companies actually. So OBS said, yes, Streamlabs is just dirty. And then Lightstream Lightstream is a streaming service for the Xbox. I've never actually used a Lightstream, but anyway, they have this streaming service for the Xbox. And what happened is Streamlabs decided to create their own similar service for the Xbox. So basically, they wanted to copy the same service that Lightstream was already doing. And then they wanted to put up a website. So what did they do? They went and did a one for one copy of the Lightstream website, basically, including many of the same. Yeah, the wording is exactly the same. User reviews down here exactly the same.  They not only copied their software, they copied their website and it just looks and that's a bad look, right? And then Elgato, you guys know Elgato. Elgato makes popular products like the Elgato Cam Link, which is the capture card I actually used to record all my videos. The Elgato key lights are very popular. The Elgato Stream Deck is one of their most popular products. The Stream Deck is a little console. It's got some buttons. Kind of like a macro keyboard that you can use to switch scenes. For example, in OBS, a lot of streamers use the Elgato Stream Deck. So what did Streamlabs do? Well, control your live stream from your phone with Streamlabs Stream Deck. So your phone is going to have the same kind of Stream Deck like buttons, you know, like having the Elgato Stream Deck on your phone, they're going to call it Streamlabs Stream Deck. So it's apparent that Streamlabs really doesn't care about trademark, right? They'll use anybody's name including the Stream Deck, including OBS.  No problem with all of that. You're allowed to do a lot with free and open source software. You're given a lot of freedom with it. So why do you want to push it to the extreme where you're essentially want to take that project's name? And essentially what they want to do is become OBS and then get rid of the open source OBS. I mean, this is really what is behind their thinking here is, hey, we would like the main line OBS to go away and the only OBS to be Streamlabs OBS, which we can then charge you for. And there is some history with Streamlabs actually taking over open source projects and then killing them. If you go to their Wikipedia page, you can see that Streamlabs actually Streamlabs was acquired by Logitech in 2019. So for the past couple of years, Logitech has actually been the owner of Streamlabs. Streamlabs was initially founded in 2014 as a service called Twitch Alerts. And that service allowed streamers to add visual alerts to the screen. So you get little animations and things when you get new subscribers, new followers or somebody donates to you, things like that. Over the years, Streamlabs acquired additional services. And when I say acquired many times, like they're doing with Streamlabs OBS, where they just take an open source project and fork it, similar things they've done in the past. And sometimes they just buy the small open source project that they need. And then they kill off the open source project, right? And they just have their proprietary paid for service. And one of the biggest criticisms of Streamlabs over the years has been that they've made it extremely difficult for subscribers to their services to actually cancel their subscriptions. And they do this purposely, they admit that they do this purposely. And one of the shadiest things I've ever heard of is that you sign up for a service, you make a one-time payment or in some cases, you make a one-time donation to your favorite streamer that's using some of the Streamlabs services. And then Streamlabs automatically subscribes you to some kind of subscription service of Streamlabs. So that you're paying Streamlabs a few bucks every month. And then they make it almost impossible for you to cancel that subscription, make it very hard for you to jump through the hoops needed to actually get that subscription canceled. And that's kind of shady, right? That's beyond shady. That's almost criminal. And really, at this point, some of the actions that Streamlabs has done, they remind me of a con artist. If you know any kind of hardcore criminal, somebody that has a criminal mentality, these are not nice people. I don't know who owns Streamlabs, but whoever owns Streamlabs, some of the shady things they've done over the years.  And again, I'm really hoping that you guys that are using Streamlabs products, I'm not one of these people that call for a boycott, but you shouldn't be giving criminals money, right? And there's no reason to give these people money for a product like Streamlabs OBS when the free and open source OBS exists. And it's just a better product made by better people. And we're starting to see some of the big streamers of some of the big Twitch streamers speak out here in the last few hours. Once all of this drama has broken out on Twitter, if I go back to the Streamlabs homepage, I know one of the big Twitch streamers is this chick here. I don't know who she is. Pokimane. I'm not familiar with her work, but I'm sure she's awesome. But she sent out a tweet. Some other streamers sent out a tweet basically saying that they're going to threaten a boycott of Streamlabs products if changes are not made. And that's pretty much all they sent out. Her and one or two other big Twitch streamers. Changes need to be made. I don't know what they mean by that. That's kind of weird. Changes need to be made. Like what changes? Like don't be crooked anymore. It's at some point, I think you could have bypassed that tweet and just boycotted them. I don't know what they want because I don't think Streamlabs, Streamlabs is not going to change completely their direction because of what some Twitch streamers say. They want OBS, right? And they want, they want to rip off all of these other products and some of them open source. Some of them proprietary. They want to rip off Lightstream. They want to rip off the Elgato Stream Deck. And they don't even want to build their own websites anymore. Now, whoever their web dev is, he's just doing a straight copy and paste from somebody else's website into Streamlabs. So my call to action is just to get rid of Streamlabs if you're using it and just start using the open broadcaster studio. If you're not familiar with OBS, the main product, it's a fantastic product. Again, there's no reason to pay the crooks over at Streamlabs. A single dollar for this excellent piece of free and open source software. But I do want you guys to actually pay for OBS. I would like for you guys to donate to OBS. If you go to the OBSproject.com website and there is a contributing page here, how to contribute. You can become a patron for the OBS project and it looks like they're doing okay there. They've got 445 patrons, but you know, just, you know, three grand a month, that is not a lot of money, especially to develop the kind of software that is OBS, which is a massive project. So I really would love if some of you guys go and sign up, become patrons and give them, you know, a few bucks a month to help them out in their work. If you prefer to do a one time donation, they do have a PayPal link as well. Because at the end of the day, we need to stand with our free and open source software projects, right? We need to stand with them. We need to contribute. We need to give them money. We need to do whatever it is we can do to help them succeed. And we need to stand against those companies that would destroy free and open source software. Now, before I go, I want to thank a few special people. I want to thank the producers of this episode, Devin Gabe James, Met, Michael Mitchell, Paul Scott, Wes, Akami Allen, Lenox Ninja Chuck, Commander, Angry Kurt, Diokai, David Dillon, Gregory, Heiko, Kaska, Lee Maxim, Mike, Nitrous, Erion, Alexander, Pete's, Archon, Fedor, Polytech, Raver, Red Prophet, Stephen and Willie, these guys, they're awesome. They're the producers of this episode. They're my highest tiered patrons over on Patreon. And I want to thank each and every one of these fine ladies and gentlemen as well. All these names you're seeing on the screen right now, these are all my supporters over on Patreon because I don't have any corporate sponsors. I'm sponsored by you guys, the community. If you like my work and want to help me out, please subscribe to DistroTube over on Patreon. Subscribe to OBS on Patreon as well. All right. Peace, guys.


Check the budget. Check the budget. Check the budget. Check it. Mika thank you so much for tuning in to my channel. So in today's video we are going to go over my budget for the week. So essentially I want to keep doing these because one they keep me accountable and two they keep you accountable.  So for this week the second week of 2020 I had a pretty low spend week so on Monday I spent zero dollars. On Tuesday I also spent zero dollars. On Wednesday I spent three dollars. I just got some soy milk because I needed milk to make my crunchy shake and then Thursday I also spent zero dollars and just to give you guys a heads up this is not a typical week for me. I just know coming from the holidays I have a large credit card bill so I am trying to keep all of my spending as minimal one second. Okay so what was I saying? Yes so for this week I've just been trying to keep my spend as minimal as possible just because I know in the back of my mind I have a large credit card bill to pay for a trip that I took recently to Toronto and all the Christmas presents that I bought everyone because I like buying presents for my family. So yeah so I'm just trying to keep everything kind of low and yeah boop boop boop boop boop. On Friday I ended up spending about 35 dollars.  I went to Target I got like you guys are going to judge me. I actually got one summer's eve or one shaving cream there uh this is kind of like my favorite brand but not my favorite scent. So I bought it just because I needed something to use that day um but then I bought this one on Amazon it actually ended up being 37 cheaper and it's the scent I like this one is lavender and the one I will be returning is vanilla. I also bought just some office supplies so I bought some markers some colored pencils some tape uh Target has sale going on where it was by one office supply get the next one for 25% off so I ended up spending some money and when I crunched the numbers it was actually cheaper than on Amazon so I went ahead and did that purchase and then I got summer's eve for people with vaginas um so essentially this is just like a deodorant spray I've never used any products like this before but my best friend recommended it and my mom also uses summer's eve so it's like why the fuck not honestly this is really nice it's literally just deodorant for your vagina and I didn't realize how much vagina sweat so it's five dollars give it if you want it. I also used to treat her joes and I just bought some plants so I bought this guy he's adorable I love him what should we name him comment down below what I should name this new plant and then I also got another girl one second I also got this girl she's so pretty these like little shelves in my room and I bought the plants just to be decorative and because I love plants so all in all I spent $35 the plants were about $10 I also got some clean ice from Trader Joe's and then everything I got from Target was about $25 I did come back home and made some purchases on Amazon so I just got some belly button rings I got this really cool one that's just clear which I think would be good for like every day and just whenever I'm you know working out so I'm not worrying about tarnishing a belly button ring uh so yeah highly recommend and I got 10 belly button rings for like $15 and if you go to like St. Mark's or the lower east side the worthy people just sell like the jewelry on the street it's literally like $15 for one ring so major plug I will drop the link below and then I also got this swell water bottle uh going to be completely honest I thought these were super expensive super overrated like couldn't imagine me getting one of these but guys this is actually very much worth it it keeps the water at like the perfect temperature like if you put warm water in this it somehow by magic cools it it's so cool so highly recommend it was a little bit of a splurge all in all my total on amazon was about $55 uh but I ended up having a gift card so I paid $0 so that was my Friday spend which ended up being in total $35 because I used my gift card for my amazon purchases and then on saturday I just bought a new battery for my camera so I'm actually filming these videos on my phone so here we are I turned on my camera to start recording and realized that my battery was dead and I didn't know where the charger was so I bought two new batteries and a new charger for my camera which ended up being about $20 on saturday and today's sunday my lazy day so I'm probably going to just edit these videos to post tomorrow and do yoga and that's about it I'll probably find a coffee shop so let's say I spend $10 today on coffee who knows I'll edit an update here so all in all my weekly spend for this week was about already dollars if you guys want a more detailed breakout about how I went every day Monday through Sunday without spending more than $100 in New York City feel free to check out my blog post below where I break out my daily spend by day by hour um yeah and I will see you guys next week for more budget checks we gotta check the budget check the budget check the budget check it because if you have the budget and it's just somewhere in the universe and you're just spending however you want to spend it's not a budget it's just a list of numbers somewhere you gotta check in on the budget check the budget so this is what we're doing we're doing budget checks because I need to check my budget it keeps me accountable and I hope it inspires you to be more accountable as well all right well I love you guys make sure you subscribe below and I will see you guys next week for another budget check video uh stay tuned later this week I'll be dropping a beauty video and then yeah we're gonna be back on this youtube grind I hope you guys are excited I am love youtube love you guys so make sure you click that link below that button that thing and subscribe you need to do that thing um and also if you want to follow me on my personal Instagram it's at me got xoxo


we'll be able to get started at 4.30. We are just missing Board Member Fennel. And I just received a confirmation from her that she is logging on. Great. That's great. We may, let's just delay just a couple more minutes. And is this Ms. Farrier? So this is actually Montoya, Michelle Montoya. Oh, okay. Michelle. Yeah, for this round. I'm going to keep up with you guys. Okay, I guess we'll go ahead and get started if all Board Members could go ahead and turn their video on. Board Member Fennel, we can't see you. We just see a black screen. And I'm not saying Board Member Wong either. There we go. Okay, I'd like to welcome everybody to the December 7th Cultural Heritage Board. Percent of the Government Code, Section 54953, Subset E. And the recommendations to the Health Officer of the County of Sonoma Cultural Heritage Board members will be participating in this meeting via Zoom webinar. Members of the Board or members of the public can participate virtually at www.ZoomUS4.join or by toll-free telephone, area code 7877, I'm sorry,<PHONE_NUMBER>, using meeting ID 840-4119-4790. Public assessing the meeting through Zoom can provide comments during the public comment periods. Additional information related to the meeting participation is available at srcity.org board slash cultural heritage board. The meeting will be live streamed at sanarosa.legislard.com forward slash calendar. Click on the end process link to view. Meeting can also be viewed on Comcast Channel 28 at youtube.com. Living room on. Say that again. Board Member Fennell, would you please mute yourself while you try to resolve the camera situation? OK, so let's call the order. And Ms. Fantoya, if we can have a roll call. Yes, thank you. Let the record reflect that all board members are present. Chair Muser? Chair Muser, can we take a couple of minutes? I'd like to try to figure out what's going on with Board Member Fennell's camera, because if her camera's off, she can't participate. Absolutely. Let's take about a five-minute pause. That would be great. Thank you very much. Board Member Fennell, I just spoke with our on-site IT person, and they suggested first to make sure that nothing's covering the lens. But the second step would be for you to exit Zoom and then restart Zoom to see if that fixes the issue. Board Member Fennell, do you want to try your camera again for us? We can see you now. We just can't hear you. Can you hear me now? We can. We can hear and see you. Thank you so much. Thank you. I'm so sorry. OK, Chair Muser. It looks like we're all back. We can stop sharing the screen and you can reconvene when you're ready. OK, so reconvening the December 7 Cultural Heritage Board meeting as board members to turn their cameras back on. Be great. Moving on to Item 2, Approval of Minutes. We don't have any minutes to approve tonight. Item 3, Public Comments. So this is the time when any person may address matters not listed on this agenda, but which are within the subject matter of the jurisdiction. The public may comment on agenda items when the item is called. Each speaker is allowed three minutes. So Ms. Fontoya, we could see if we have any members of the public who'd like to speak to the Cultural Heritage Board. Yes, thank you. I am not seeing any hands raised at this time. OK, with that, I'm going to go ahead and close the public comment period. Moving on to Item Number 4, Board Business. So this opportunity then for board members to make any reports or if they have any business they would like to share. So I'll be looking for hands. Chair Muser, if you could please start by first reading the Statement of Purpose for us. OK, yeah, I can do that. OK, so Statement of Purpose 4.1, principal duties of the board include undertaking and updating historic inventories and sports surveys, recommending designation of landmarks and preservation districts, reviewing proposed alterations to historic buildings, and promoting public awareness of preservation issues. If you are in a historic district or would like more information regarding historic districts, please see Processing Review Procedures for Owners of Historic Properties. Now I'll move to 4.2, Board Member Reports. Not seeing any. I do have two things and Ms. Murray, maybe you can make sure that this is an appropriate time for it. I would like to, because we had a brief discussion regarding Fremont Park, and I believe the way it was left was we were going to wait to receive a historic report on Fremont Park. If I recall correctly, Vice Chair Pratt-Sellas even brought up the fact that it's very difficult for us to move into a discussion on it if we don't really have a report to know if there's anything historically significant there. The second thing and the same regarding Fremont Park is just to get a general status update or report on Fremont Park where they are. And I guess my main concern is I want to make sure that we haven't become in the cog of things moving along. I want to make sure that they're not waiting on us when we think we're waiting on them and time is just going by. So what do you think, Ms. Murray? Your recollection is the same as mine. And I think before any of us can move forward on anything, whether it's the Parks Department or the Cultural Heritage Board, we need that historic report. I've just sent an instant message. Got to love having these electronics right at your fingertips, right? I just sent an instant message off to the Parks Department to see if I can't get an update during this meeting. If I can't, I'll report back at our next meeting. And if our next meeting looks like it's going to be as far out as this one was, I will send a memo to the board and give everybody an update on that. Yeah, and like I say, if we could even get similar to what we're having with the Code Enforcement Officer, if we could just get an in-person report maybe at our next board meeting from the Parks Department. I'll try. If it hasn't, if there is no more of an update, I'll wait until they have something to update. But I will definitely check in with Mr. Williamson. I'm sorry, it's Wilkinson. Scott. OK. Thank you very much. That's all I have. So I will close 4.2, 4.3. Other, we have none. Item 5, Department of Reports, Ms. Murray. And I don't have a lot to report on today, just that we're coming into the holiday season, or I guess we're well into it. So staffing is going to be spotty. It's like that every year, because people are taking vacations and spending time with family. I will be off the week after Christmas, the week before Christmas. I'm totally reachable. So I think that's about all I have to report. OK, thank you, Ms. Murray. Moving on to item 6, Statement of Abstentions by Board Members. So this would be if any board members need to abstain for either of the two items that we have the first item. I don't see where they're being abstained from anybody. But the second item, the consent, are the concept review and McDonald's. Do we have abstentions for that? I guess I'm wondering, Board Member Wong, I believe you kind of live just right down the street. Yes, I do. But I think we're just outside the 1,000 feet. Is that correct? OK, cool. That is correct. I did check. So you have to be with outside of the 600-foot radius. And he was just outside of that. So it's fine. Fantastic. OK. All right. Moving on then. So item 8.1 is a code enforcement presentation. And Ms. Murray, could I ask you to do an introduction on that and kind of just a quick background and an introduction? Certainly. How can a meeting in June, Board Member Fennel brought up some concerns about work being done within our preservation districts that has not come before the board? If those not all projects need to come before the board, we do have minor projects. But then there are those people that just do it without benefit of permits. So I've invited Senior Code Enforcement Cassidy Anderson to come and talk a little bit and just explain the code enforcement process. I may jump in on a couple of her slides when she starts talking about the zoning code. If she asks me to, Cassidy, I'll wait for you to give me that cue. And between the two of us, we can have a little Q&A session afterwards. And I will do our best to respond to your questions or come back with answers at a later date. And this, again, this is kind of a two-part series. The next item, the board will be asked to talk about what Board Member Fennel brought up in that June meeting. So that's my introduction. Here is Senior Code Enforcement Officer Anderson. So thanks, Cassidy. OK, thank you. Thank you, Susie. And thank you, Board, for having me today.  So if you'll just bear with me for a moment and let me know if you can see a screen that says Code Enforcement Division on it. We can see it. Great. All right, I am going to jump right in. So as Susie said, my name is Cassidy Anderson. I'm the Senior Code Enforcement Officer for the Code Enforcement Division. I supervise along with another Code Enforcement Officer, the Code Enforcement Team. And I'm going to do a brief overview about code enforcement roles, responsibilities, and then tie that into how it would affect the areas of enforcement and some overlap. And I'll go into that in a little bit. So a little bit about code enforcement. Code Enforcement Division is responsible for ensuring that city codes are implemented on private property in Santa Rosa to address general health, life, fire, and safety issues facing residents. This involves responding to complaints received. Code enforcement is dedicated to working in partnership with community stakeholders, including residents, landlords, business owners, contractors, city staff, and outside agencies. Our goal is to promote and maintain safe, desirable living and work environments. By working together with the community, code enforcement helps reduce crime, protects the health and well-being of residents, maintain property values, and preserves and enhances the community for future generations. So what does code enforcement do? I've put together a list of some of the types of complaints that we receive. And these could be from generated by complaints. And sometimes they come in from other city departments. So I'll just start hazardous or unsafe buildings, substandard housing, health and safety issues, lead and asbestos, mold, trash debris, and blight, illegal camping on private property, unpermitted construction, graffiti, noise, smoking ordinance, cannabis cultivation, both personal and cultivation and commercial properties. Previously, we did the COVID-19 health order violations, failing septic systems, short-term rentals, zoning violations. And I wanted to highlight here some examples are unpermitted land uses in residential or commercial zones, and again, neighborhood preservation landmark alteration. Accessibility, ADA complaints, grating violations, animal violations, roosters, coop maintenance, location, livestock, illicit discharge, stormwater violations, environmental hazards, and erosion and sediment control and prevention. Neighborhood preservation, nuisance, garbage cans, signs, weeds, vegetation in the public right of way, abandoned inoperable vehicles on private property, home occupation, auto repair. And this is by no means an entire list. This is a bullet point list of some of the kind of more common things that we may enforce on private property. So what code enforcement does not enforce? We do not enforce civil disputes, so property line disagreements, neighbors tree hanging over the fence, shared fences, we call it a good neighbor fence. We typically do not enforce in mobile home parks. We refer to the California Department of Housing and Community Development, creeks and waterways, city parks, schools or other government entities, such as Caltrans, Smart Train, County, state or other federal owned buildings, unincorporated areas such as county jurisdiction, and then public property. So common issues that we see throughout the city are homeless, trash and debris, abandoned or inoperable vehicles, graffiti. All right, I'm gonna give this over to Susie to cover this slide. Susie, if you wanna chime in and take this over to kind of talk about the exemptions from landmark alteration permits. As we segue on further down, we'll talk more about this. Okay, you got it. So there are a few items that are exempt from landmark alteration permits.  If they come in and they ask if they require a landmark alteration permit, we tell them if you're replacing with the same material, wood, not hardy board, wood, you can do that without a landmark alteration permit. Let's see, repainting, we don't govern colors. You know, people can paint their house whatever they want to. Installation of rain gutters and downspouts, skylights, this was just added in actually with the downtown station area plan update. If somebody's adding in a skylight on an area of a roof that's not visible from the public right away, typically on the backside, we let them do it. It's exempt from permits. Installation of an air conditioning unit, that's a very temporary situation, demolition of a non-historic building. And if there's any doubt about that building, they are required to provide a report saying that, you know, with that conclusion, prepared by a qualified professional. Re-roofing a house with materials determined to be similar. We say similar because asphalt shingles aren't what they were 100 years ago, but they are similar. When we have questions on that type of thing, we'll come to you and ask your opinion. We did that just recently with the house, was either on, I think it was on Benton Street. We had a few, Benton and Denton all at the same time. And anyways, we came and asked your opinion and then took it for a minor landmark alteration rather than a major. Replacement windows and doors, that we've had a lot of experience bringing windows and doors to the Cultural Heritage Board in years past. The board has said a precedent and saying basically that a wood window that is protected by either, I think aluminum or fiberglass that those are okay. What we require is the same material with the exception of that cladding, the same material, same size, same configuration, same location. So if it had divided light before, it's gonna have divided light again. A lot of times we, and it's not like for light. If somebody says, I've got aluminum windows and I wanna put aluminum windows in, I'm pretty sure there weren't aluminum windows around when that house was constructed, if it's an older home. So we asked them to do the research. We verify as best we can that they replaced the windows with what was there originally. So that's kind of one of the sticking points here. It has to be what was originally there, not necessarily what they're replacing now. The other thing that is a kind of a recent addition to that window replacement. We have people who wanna replace all of the windows in their house and go with wood windows. They want double pane. They wanna be more energy efficient. We are asking those people when they come in or over the counter approval to take those, the original windows out in a manner where they can be repurposed and take them to a repurposing yard or facility. That is a condition of approval on an entitlement for a project like that. Becoming more standard. It'll be standard as soon as everybody's doing it and that's a matter of getting it onto the template language. Solar panels, the state has superseded us and said that solar panels, that we cannot require a landmark alteration for solar panels. Modifications to structures that are identified as non contributors to their respective preservation district if the changes are not readily visible from other properties. And I will say that that was that language was added because of a situation that occurred with a member of the cultural heritage board. So those are the types of changes that you may see. You may see a house near you in your preservation district or as you're driving through another preservation district that's doing window changes. We approve those over the counter all the time. They give us the specifications. If you have questions, please don't hesitate to call. You don't have to call me. You can call or yeah, you can call any of the planners really and we can look at that and get you the information. So at this, I think the next slides talk about minor and major landmark alteration permits. Go ahead and advance forward, Cassidy. And I think you'll take it over from here or you want me to. Yeah. Yeah, I'll finish up the slide and then questions can be fielded to both of us depending later. So essentially what's code enforcement's role in historic and cultural preservation? So basically how the process would work is code enforcement division receives a complaint or investigates a property, a private property within a historic district zoning designation. Code enforcement along with planning collaborate to ensure that violations or improvements performed on the property comply with the city's design guidelines for historic properties. Determinations for review procedures consider the following landmark alteration permit required either minor or major design review or exempt. And this is referencing the zoning code 20-58.060. And so I've included some examples on both sides of what would require minor landmark alteration and examples of major landmark alteration for the benefit of the board. I'll go through examples of minor and minor and major. And again, I just want to emphasize that we do partner with planning and planning makes the determination if we do have a code enforcement case. So examples of minor landmark alteration are repair or replacement of broken or damaged materials, alteration of or addition to the site or rear of a building, installation of roof ventilators or skylights that are visible from the public right of way, new landscaping features and site features including fences, walkways, decks, et cetera, accessory structures. So examples of major landmark alteration, major renovation or restoration, substantial alterations to an existing structure that do not match the original design, removing or enclosing an existing porch or adding a new porch, substantial additions, new primary dwellings, demolition or removal of an existing historic building, a fence that also requires a conditional use permit or variance, a project involving historic resources that will be approved by the design review board or commission. Can I jump in real quick? Raise that last slide. I just want to add the only projects that you'll see coming to you in this list are those that fall under the major landmark alteration. So all those minors won't come to the board, they'll go to the zoning administrator. And if there's an appeal, that appeal will come to the cultural heritage board. Sorry to cut you off there. Thank you, Susie, I appreciate it. All right. I want to go over again, very generally our process and our administrative procedures. And again, emphasize that we would be working with planning before taking enforcement action. So prior to any enforcement, our inspection process is we send a consent to inspect letter to notify the owner and the tenant and request an inspection of the premises. We conduct exterior inspections, nuisance cases or vacant lots are typically inspected from the public right of way. So if, say, for instance, we got a complaint regarding interior improvements, we would send the consent to inspect letter to get consent to do the interior inspection. So courtesy and violation letters clearly state alleged or confirm violations and provide required steps to resolve the violation. Again, we'd be partnering with planning to ensure that our enforcement is consistent with the preservation district guidelines for inspection refusal. On rare occasions, if an inspection or entry is refused for health and safety, substandard violations, code staff may route the case to the city attorney's office for a warrant inspection. Again, this is not many cases. This is just an option. So violations observed, we send a notice of violation letter, we notify the responsible party and grant a reasonable time to resolve the violation. If non-compliance, we escalate to a failure to a bait letter, again, notifying the responsible party and grant a reasonable time to resolve the violation. Typically after this, the tools that we have is to record what's called a notice of non-compliance and this is recorded on the property title. And what this tool does is it essentially clouds the title. So it prevents the transfer of sale or refinancing. And so this is a good tool for code enforcement for non-compliance as we work towards escalated enforcement. Administrative citation is at the bottom, but this is a very good tool as well. This is a tool we use commonly and then administrative hearing is right before that. This is an informal hearing with the hearing officer whereby city staff and the property owner present evidence of violations of the property, fines and penalties for violations on the property and then owner, like I said, can present evidence of violations. So administrative hearings are, they're handled civilly, they're not handled criminally and city staff presents their findings to a third party hearing officer.  And if there's non-compliance after that, the city can record an assessment lien that is recorded with the county. And then that at that point can go on the property tax roll of the property. So to close a case, a compliance inspection, verification photographs or required approvals and permits obtained is required. So this is a code enforcement policy that we do not resolve the case. So say we take it all the way to administrative hearing or we send citations, we always verify via some form of a compliance inspection that the property is in compliance. All right. So I talked a little bit about this remedies and abatement. The goal is compliance, seeking voluntary compliance every time, additionally education. Our primary option is education since many individuals may be unaware that a violation exists, our team works with the responsible party to provide a timeframe to resolve the issue without a penalty. Many people don't know who code enforcement is. They may not even understand the fact that they're in a preservation district. So again, our job is to provide the education and awareness administrative citations, which I spoke briefly about for non-compliance in the amount of $100 to $500 administrative costs. So this is a remedy after an order is given by a hearing officer through an administrative hearing. This enables staff to collect and assess through an assessment lien any costs that are unpaid. Assessment liens must be approved by city council. Abatement, this remedy is used where staff in conjunction with the city attorney's office file an order with the Sonoma County Superior Court to abate violations on a property that is considered a public nuisance. Unpaid costs can result in a property lien. And then judicial remedies. This is a very small fraction of code enforcement cases, but we work with designated city attorneys for code cases that do need to have criminal prosecution or civil injunction. So I just wanted to show some pictures of, all of the pictures I'm showing are active and opened code enforcement cases that staff are currently pursuing. And so to the left is an example of an unpermitted conversion of a secondary unit in an unpermitted deck built in the rear yard and other code violations throughout. But I just wanted to show just kind of this connection piece. So again, this decking material and the unpermitted secondary unit, this is an opened case. To the right, this photo is a redwood tree that is causing major root damage and uplifting the sidewalk. Again, this is an active case. The case with the redwood tree is an example of multiple city departments working together to find a solution, because again, it's the public right of way it would involve engineering. And we're also working with planning as it's in a preservation district. The next one, the next set of photographs, again, open cases. So to the left is a fence installed without landmark alteration permit. And while this, if it were in any other zone, it would be code compliant because of the height. It became a code case via a complaint because of the fact that there was a fence constructed and there was exterior alterations. On the right is an example. I don't know if any of you have heard about a property. It was a major public nuisance on Hewitt Street. Is an unpermitted addition of habitable space, trash and debris to the exterior. And so really no neighborhood is exempt from problem properties like this. And so we became involved in this, not because it was a preservation district, we became involved from the public nuisance side, but because of the unpermitted additions throughout, we are working with planning after the problem tenants left the property. We're working now with the property owner on unpermitted additions throughout. So essentially what had happened with this property was the basement area was converted to habitable space. And so we're working with them on the resolution of that. All right. Now I'll leave it open to questions. And again, Susie and I will be and I'll do questions and then also I wanna give our contact information. So for any questions, I report to assistant chief building official, Luke Kirk. We all in building report to chief building, yeah, chief building official, Jesse Oswald. Another senior that I work with is Daniela DeBaca. And then general questions are where anyone can be referred to for general code questions or to submit a complaint is our code inbox and our code line. And so that concludes my presentation. And thank you. And we'll take any questions right now. Thank you very much, Ms. Anderson. So do any of our board members have questions for Ms. Anderson, board member Bourne? I was just curious the last slide. So if they made this habitable basement space or whatever, what happens? Yeah, this one is unique. And actually another one came across my desk today right down the street. So what we do in code enforcement, we generally try to pursue as many avenues for compliance as possible. But essentially what we tell the property owner is what is your intent? What we communicate with the property owners is what is your intention for the property? So if you have the ability and the desire to legalize these uncommitted additions, this is the path forward. Typically the other path forward is to obtain a demolition permit and to restore it back to its original use. So we see this with uncommitted additions frequently. And so we again present as many options possible if there is a path for legalization. With this specific property, it would be a large undertaking simply because the basement area does not meet habitability height standards. So it basically has a less than seven foot ceiling height. And so if they did want to legalize it to a habitable space, it would require alteration of the first story essentially they'd have to raise the ceiling height. And that's a fire code and building standard. It's so that's that's that one specifically. Thank you. Other questions, Vice-Chair Press Ellis? Hi, I can add two things. First is I found this really helpful and really interesting. So thank you very much for putting it together. I really appreciate it. So in that sort of line, I had a suggestion, I guess for staff liaison Murray is possibly for new board members who are onboarding, this might be a really useful session to just be kind of on the materials for review as they're getting familiar with how the board works and what our remits are. This might be really helpful background information. I know I would have found it useful when I was first joining. My second question is how often do you see complaints coming in that have to do with preservation development without permits? Like is that a common complaint that you field or is that one of the least common ones that come across your desk? Yeah, that's a great question. And I wish I had that stat for you. It's maybe something I can give to Susie next time and just say currently we have X amount of cases open right now in preservation districts. One another kind of thing that we would consider is does this action or complaint warrant something that we would need to partner with a planner and what I mean by that is let's say that we have a case that's in a preservation district and it's a public nuisance. It's something like trash cans or it's an inoperable vehicle, something that's not specific to the structure that we wouldn't need to partner with planning. They wouldn't be involved in it. We would handle it from a courtesy letter type perspective. If we're dealing with something, an alteration to the property or something that would trigger that then we would partner with planning. So we do get a fair amount of nuisance cases and we also do get complaints for a new property owner. I would say probably the most common thing that we see is an addition of a structure within the setback and then someone who's been living in the neighborhood for a very long time knows that they're in a historic district and that this is prohibited and or it needs to come through planning. That's a very common one. And then additionally new property owners changing property or the buying in the sale and the transfer of property and a new owner coming in and just not having that education. So they're going in and they're doing interior remodels. They are ignorant to what may require a building permit. And so again, we emphasize education and then we also advise by the way you're in a historic district. There may be other approvals that you need to go through. Yeah, part of that referral. I guess the question that I have is whether the city has considered some kind of a brochure or something that we can give to. It's coming up from like the last six years that I've been on the board so many times that we're getting things where they're claiming ignorance as to whether they're in a historic district. And I know as far as like the California Association of Realtors we have like four forms that specifically details the fact that you are in a heritage district and to seek out any information. But it seems like it's becoming, we're seeing vinyl windows showing up on houses and on a Saturday. And we're seeing things that are just blatant. There's a couple of instances in one of the cultural neighborhoods where like they literally tore down all of the asbestos siding on the house and changed the entire house around and never took out a permit to do exploratory on the inside, nothing on the outside and the house has been completely changed. It doesn't fit in with the neighborhood. It's a serious blight and it's owned by a contractor. And things like that and other homes you can drive through some of the neighborhoods and see, wait a minute, that was not, there was no, those are illegal windows, that's an illegal door and that's not, nothing was ever done. And so I think that we need, I mean it stinks that we need to have this steep cover your rear end thing but we have to come up with something so that we don't have to continue to take these things like, I ordered all of these windows and they're not supposed to be on the house this way but I've already ordered 14 windows and what are we gonna do? Well, that person that bought that house four months ago or before, four months before knew that she was in a historic district. Right in front of her house is a sign that had the name of the historic district on the sign. And it just seems like we need something to better inform people so that we can take more aggressive stance when things go super sideways like is happening in a lot of these districts. And I was just wondering if the city had thought of something about, something that we can even have as realtors that we can hand to people and have them sign and acknowledge that you're in a historic district and these are some of your rights and your responsibilities because there are rights and there are responsibilities and there are good things that happen as the result of living in a district and there's responsibilities that come with it and we're not holding people. It seems as though we're not holding people to the letter of the intent and the love we have to work hard to get it to be a historic district and as such we need to take those responsibilities seriously. Yeah, and I can appreciate that. And I certainly cannot speak for planning and I won't but we've heard similar feedback from people. I worked with another planner who's on this call and we had feedback saying there's a lot of change in sale and transfer of ownership. What can the city do to help provide outreach and Susie can chime in here. I don't want to commit anybody to anything because it's not my place or my purview but it's a great discussion and it has been spoken about. And I don't have anything to add to that although I think that there is certainly an opportunity to weigh the benefits to a cost analysis and I think that some sort of a flyer or something could possibly be justified. It's just we have to look at the effectiveness of that flyer. So. So in our next item, we're gonna actually be looking at this subject more in a broader sense and determining if we wanna have a greater discussion at the next meeting. That might not, to me, code enforcement is the end result of something that failed. So maybe that we will be able to look at some things that could be done proactively or changed to get more incentive and more awareness. So, but that's kind of in the future tonight. So tonight was, and this item is just basically so that we have a good understanding of when code enforcement is necessary and how that applies to our historic districts. So any other questions for Ms. Anderson? Okay. Seeing none, I'd like to thank you for your time, Ms. Anderson. We really appreciate you taking your evening and spending it with us. And Ms. Murray, do you have any closing thoughts on this item? I'm wondering if we need to open up a public comment period for this item? Let's go ahead and do that just to cover all of our basis. So Ms. Montoya, could we open a public comment or item 8.1? Yes, thank you so much, Chair. I was just about to jump in and ask for a public comment period. And I am seeing no hands for public comment on this item. Okay, with that, we'll close public comment for 8.1. Okay, we'll move on to 8.2 again. Thank you, Ms. Anderson. Appreciate your time. So the written background on 8.2 at the Cultural Heritage Board meeting held on June 1st, 2022. A motion was made and seconded to add a discussion regarding changes to properties and structures within Santa Rosa's Preservation Districts without benefit of permits. This was the first step of a three-step process to add the topic to a future CHB agenda for discussion. At this meeting scheduled on December 7th, 2022, the entire CHB will vote to add the discussion onto a future agenda. So we still really don't get to discuss this item yet, but what we can do now is we can take a vote as to whether we feel that, especially after we've had the code enforcement information, if we feel like there are still other issues that we would like to put this on the agenda and have a more thorough discussion. So to do that, I'll need somebody to make a motion and then we'll need a second and then we'll take a vote. Or remember Fennel. I would make the motion that this is something that is important and needs to have some more. And I can think of just off the top of my head about half a dozen times that we have had things from McDonald's district to Bourbon Gardens to where they claimed to be trying to fix something that they didn't know was a problem. And I think that going forward, there has to be something that would be a fairly easy thing to do, but I do feel like it, we do need to have this continue so that we can move along without having these hiccups of lack of knowledge. It was brought up by Code Enforcement tonight that whether it be that they don't know that they're in a cultural neighborhood, I'm saying we need to work to talk about this some more so that no one wonders where they're located and where their house is and what their rights and responsibilities in such a district is. So I move forward to bring this to a future a date uncertain to continue. Okay, thank you. How about a second? Board Member Carrot. I'll second Board Member Finnell's motion. Okay, before we take a vote, does anybody have any comment on this item? Just a brief comment, not really discussion. I have a comment. I do think it's really important that we do this because I think the people that do end outcoming before us have been told by people in their neighborhood that they can't do what they're doing and it's a loophole for them to continue doing, changing their buildings without benefit of a permit. Thank you Board Member Carrot. Any other comments? I've got just a couple. I really feel strongly too that this discussion will be beneficial. I've been speaking with Ms. Murray on this subject and we're doing a little research on costs that are related to a major landmark alteration for a single family homeowner as well as processing time for major landmark alterations for single family homeowners as well as incentives versus disincentives for owning a property in a historic neighborhood. I'd like to be able to see our board work in a way that we don't have to post big billboards to say, warning, you're entering a historic neighborhood and really try to make these in. And I guess for me personally, a lot of our, several of our historic neighborhoods are really first-time homeowner type neighborhoods and it's a real challenge. So anyway, so I think this will be, I will definitely be voting yes on this. So any other comments? Okay, with that, Ms. Montoya, can we take a vote on the motion? Yes, thank you. Board Member Boran. Yes. Aye. Okay. Board Member Fennell. Yes. Thank you. Board Member Garrett. Aye. Board Member Huang. Aye. Vice Chair Pritzels. Aye. And Chair Muser. Aye. And that passes with six ayes. Okay, fantastic. All right, moving on to item 8.3, this is a concept review for a landmark alteration for a new structure and listed at 812 McDonald Avenue LMA 22-018. And background, concept landmark alteration permit to construct a new 1,873 square foot single family dwelling with three bedrooms, two and a half baths with a detached 648 square foot two car garage, 98 square foot well-compoused and 500 square foot covered outdoor area. This home is located in the McDonald Preservation District. Our project planner for this is Kristen and DeLara. And Kristen, if you're here, I see you there.  Thank you. Good evening, everybody. I'm going to start sharing my screen for the presentation. Okay. So this is for the mayoral residents. This is concept review and this is for a landmark alteration permit, a major. This is at 912 McDonald Avenue and the McDonald Preservation District. So the purpose of this concept review is to provide information to the applicant staff and board for clear design direction. The CHB will identify character defining elements of the historic district and the surrounding neighborhood to provide direction for the design elements of the home. The applicant will also be presenting after my presentation. So this once again is to construct a new single-family dwelling. This is a 1,873 square foot home with three beds and two and a half baths. There's also a two-car garage, a covered outdoor area and they want to do a well-pumped house. And this is also in the historic combining district. Here is a good view, an aerial view of where the house is going to be located.  We did the resubmittals so we can get some more information before we went through with the neighborhood meeting and then the neighborhood meeting happened last week. And then today is the cultural heritage concept review. And then here is a view for the general plan, land use designations, and then for the zoning. It is low density residential for general plan and it is PD005-H for zoning. Once again, this is not a project. This is a request for the Cultural Heritage Board to provide comments and a direction for a concept review item and this is exempt from the California Environmental Quality Act because there's no possibility that the action will have any effect on the environment. The applicant and the Planning and Economic Development Department are requesting that the Cultural Heritage Board provide comments and direction for their mayor residents proposed at 912 McDonald Avenue. If you have any questions for me, here is my information and now the applicant will now present. Thank you. Applicant team, you should be able to unmute yourself at this time. Thank you. Christian, are you gonna share the presentation like you did before? Yes, I can do that. Thank you. One moment. Okay, that should work. Thank you, Christian. Hopefully everyone can see that. So I say this is a presentation for the single family dwelling at 912 McDonald Avenue. Next slide please. This project is located in the McDonald Historic District. The parcel is surrounded by residential homes and the proposed project is congruent with the neighborhood district. As previously stated, the lot size is 0.26 acres. The general plan is low residential and we are in the zoning code PD005-8. The project consists of a single story dwelling with 1,873 square feet. There's a covered front porch and a detached two car garage. The garage is connected to the house via a breezeway and the garage is accessed from the rear of the parcel via an alleyway. Next slide. So these are two streetscape renderings that we've prepared. They were taken from photos of the site. The upper left corner depicts the actual conditions of the landscaping once installed. We are proposing three mature crate mortals be planted in the planning strip and we removed those crate mortals via Photoshop on the lower picture to give a clear representation of the house. Next slide. So some important things to us as we were designing this home for the homeowner. These were driven from written down historical guidelines that are available through the city of Santa Rosa, but also taking into context the character of the neighborhood, what we see in the homes that are surrounding and things that are important to be a good neighbor and to be representative of the community. So designing for continuity of the community was really important to us. The architectural character would enhance the neighborhood. This has been a vacant lot for many years that previously served as the community garden. So it is extremely important to both us and also the homeowner that this addition was an enhancement to the neighborhood. I won't read through all these, but just the last one here to design for sustainability is really important for the homeowner and also us in this new home. We're bringing to the community complying with all of the Calgary and type of 24 requirements for low water usage, energy efficiency, we're critical. Next slide. So this is a overview and an overlay of the site. You'll see McDonald Avenue on the left and the garage access to the alleyway on the right side. There's a large amount of open space which will be used for planting area so that the homeowner can maintain the cosmetic appeal of the home. We also thought it was culturally appropriate to have the garage access from the rear. So the design on the front porch was historical and brought in a very welcoming street appeal. Next slide. On the architectural design, we were intending to provide thoughtful and enduring architecture that integrated with the existing neighborhood. The building massing and scale is compatible with the existing development in the surrounding areas and utilizes materials consistent with the historical character. This, I'll just point out here, I don't know if it was visible on the other slide, but there is a large maple tree proposed in the front yard along with these seat walls, the low rock landscaping walls to give interest to that front landscaping space. Next slide. This is a snippet from the complete set of architectural plans showing the front elevation of both the house and the garage as visible from the alley. You'll see that the classic craftsman architecture integrates historical materials, such as shinglesciting decorative columns and steeper pitched roofs. The front porch creates the inviting entrance to the home and is in keeping with style with the surrounding homes. Next slide. This is a floor plan of the house. We chopped it up to fit it on one page here, but you can see the garage which would extend towards the back of the alleyway and it's connected via the outdoor living covered breezeway to the front of the house. It is a three bedroom, two after house and again, the front porch there welcoming guests into the home. Next slide. The materials proposed for the house will be a painted on hardy product for fire resistance and the roof will be a composition shingle as in line with other homes in the surrounding neighborhood and the windows will be a fiberglass clad product for this home. Next slide. These are photos that we took from the site. So it's hard to see there is a map with the indicator on the bottom left corner, but we took photos from all four corners of the property. It shows here the gardens which were used by the public for the past many years. Those have since subsided as homeowners are pulling that out so the homework can proceed with their projects. So the site does look more vacant and empty than the pictures depict, but this was a representation of the site when we took the photos. And that concludes the presentation. We'll turn it over to Christian and the board for any questions. Christian, do you have any follow-up? No, I just wanted to move forward if for the any questions and comments that you might have for both the presentations. Okay, so I think what we'll do is before we do that, I'm gonna go ahead and open up for public comment period so we can hear what the public, if any of the public has anything to say. But I just want to tell you, if we did that, thank you. Yes, thank you. If you would like to make a public comment, you can use the raise hand icon at the bottom of your screen and I am not seeing any hands raised for comments with this item. We'll just give it a little bit more time. Okay, and it looks like there's no public comment. Okay, but that will close the public comment period. Okay, board members, questions to either Wanner, Albeira or the applicant. Vice-Chair, please tell us. You mentioned that there was a neighborhood meeting, I think, last week and I was wondering if you could share with us if there were any comments presented or what happened at that neighborhood meeting. Yes, I can do that. Yes, at that meeting, we only had two comments. One of them was about the street trees in the front and also the landscaping in the front and the amount of concrete in the walkway area that you can see in the front. And then the other one was about the well and how it will be used. I believe the applicant answered those questions last time so they can bring them up again to you if you would like. Would it be okay if I state our answers again? Yeah, yeah, go ahead. So there is an existing well on the property. It will be maintained for irrigation of non-potable sources, but the house intends to connect to city services of water and sewer for the home. The other question, as Christian mentioned, was relating to the planter strip on the front of the house. The neighbor commented that a number of homes have either used pavers or concrete and created a concrete jungle and wanted to ensure that we'd be planting with trees and ground cover versus concrete. So there is a small walkway. That's about four feet wide connecting the street to the sidewalk, but the remaining portion of the planter strip will be trees and ground cover. Yeah, other comments or suggestions that they can take back with them from our board. It can also be things that you like about the project. Okay, well, I've got a couple. I'll jump in while people are, oh, there we go, board member Garrett. Thanks, I think my hand doesn't show there unless I wave it around. I appreciate the consideration for the neighborhood and the Merrill's have been a long time residence in the neighborhood. The applicant's parents live just behind and were generous enough to let the neighbors use this lot for growing vegetables and flowers and that kind of thing. I do have a couple of questions. I'd like to know if the windows are how they're set in. I assume they have sills and are set in. I would prefer to see wood windows, but I mean, as there are no, I don't think there are any fiberglass windows in the neighborhood at all. So that would be more appropriate.  I have a long list. We can do the whole list and we can go back to it. Okay, thanks. So the IDU also have problems with the landscaping. I'll start with the planter strip. I think crepe myrtles are inappropriate for McDonald Avenue. The scale of the trees on the avenue are as considerably larger. The ginkgos that are planted on the street generally don't lift the sidewalk. A lot of the other trees that have been planted do and ginkgos are kind of associated with the street. So maybe that could be rethought. The other thing that happens with crepe myrtles is that people break them and they have trouble getting established. The rock walls seem totally out of place to me in this very historic district. And I think, you know, if you want some kind of dividing line, a fence, which almost everybody else has would be appropriate. And I also don't think the rock walls are appropriate with this sophisticated craftsman architecture. I have a question about the covered patio and what the material is on that. And also the setback. I think I would rather see a deeper setback, a 20-foot setback. The setbacks on McDonald are quite deep. Most of them are deeper than 20 feet. So, oh, and then I have the other issue is the triple gang window. Is that all one window or are they three separate windows on that front part of the house that projects forward towards the street? And I think that's the end of my questions. Thank you. Could you repeat the last one for me? Sorry, I just wanted to make sure I get it. Yes, on the front, the portion of the house that's projected forward towards the street that's next to the front porch, there are three windows it looks like. Is it a triple gang or is it just one window that's divided? And that seems more like a picture window to me than anything else. But I can't tell what the scale actually is. Okay, thank you. Would you like to respond, Jeff? Yes, I will go down the list and I apologize if I missed something, let me readdress those. So relating to the street trees, we'll bring that up with the landscape architect. There are a number of tree varietals in that neighborhood. So I think we can come to a reasonable tree selection at the feedback on the sidewalk destruction and the fragility of those trees is duly noted. On the rock walls, again, we can bring that up with the landscape architect and the applicant for better clarity on the intent and propose an alternate if acceptable to the homeowner. The covered porch, I heard a question but I didn't know if there was a specific ask of that so I'm gonna come back to that. The setback, Christian, if you could share the site plan or the presentation, it's slide five. And hard to see, it's already the numbers here. But to the front porch, we're 31 feet back behind the sidewalk. And then an additional approximately six and a half feet there. So it is setback more than the minimum requirement as in the zoning code. And the three windows in the front of the house, those are individual windows with framing and trimming between. And I'm happy to address the porch question if I can get some clarity on what that was specifically. That was the covered patio in the rear. The material? What the material was. So in the rear would be a concrete porch and it would be color stamped. And I meant the covered portion of it. What is that? Is that wood or what exactly is it? It says the covered patio. So are you referencing the outdoor patio area? Connecting the output? Yes, in the rear of the house, yeah. Yes, that's a trellis of wood construction. Okay, thank you. And that was my question, not the front porch. Okay, thank you for clarifying. And for the setback, is that equivalent with the house just to the north of it? I don't have that specific measurement, but visually when we walked it out, it was in line with the other houses of the neighborhood. Okay, and the windows are they inset and have a sill? That's correct. Okay, okay. And did you consider wood frames? We did consider wood framed. It was a discussion with the homeowner and it certainly feedback that we can discuss with her. Okay, okay. I think that's it. Thank you, thanks a lot, Jeff. Thank you, Board Member Garrett. Questions or comments? Board Member Wong. I would also like to see wood windows. And my main concern was with the walkways and rock walls. They're all curving. And I feel like the McDonald area or districts, most of the landscaping has a more of a rectal linear feel, so maybe they can address that.  Those are, and then I'm also a little concerned about the setback as well. I think that's it for me. Okay, thank you, Board Member Wong. Any other comments? Okay, I'll jump in with just what's already been said, not to repeat anything. The one thing I was just kind of would hope for, it wouldn't be a requirement for me, but it is going to be shingle. There are some really nice historic shingle styles in the neighborhood versus the more, you know, contemporary style that is being shown on the drawings. And it would just, I think it would be really add to the neighborhood and add to the building if a historic pattern, one of the historic patterns might be used in the shingles. Oh, I do want to say though that I do appreciate the use of the alley. I think that's one of the nice things of that street is a lot of the houses do have an alley, so it puts the garage in the back and leaves the front yard and those side driveways, which is nice. So I'm glad that you are using the alley. And the other thing is because the McDonald neighborhood represents pretty much all the historical architectural styles, I think that there are. So you're pretty good with doing the craftsman style because there are plenty of other craftsman buildings. So unless there's any other board members have kind of a board member born. And I provide one little thing for the step backs first. Okay. So absolutely. Yeah, so it looks like the house to the north is 16 feet and the house to the south has a 26 foot setback. So it's a little bit further back than the two houses next to it. That's very good to know. Thank you. And board member born. I just wanted to say having passed that lot for years, I think it would really be an asset to the neighborhood to actually have a home there. So that's just my comment. Thanks board member born and other comments. Okay. Just do just a kind of a quick and brief recap and let me know if I haven't caught everybody's comments. So board member Garrett basically would like to see wood windows, would like to see trees that are more in sync with the neighborhood. And she mentioned the Ginko's concerns about the rock walls and the landscaping. Got clarification on the material being used for the covered patio, clarification on the setbacks and just trying to just confirm that the setback of the building is consistent with the other buildings in the neighborhood. And then clarification on the, what was called it kind of a triple window in the front of the house. And with board member when he's also would like to see wood windows and also has concerns about the walkways and the rock walls and also the setback, make sure that it. And can we say that I'd like to see more rectilinear hard scaping. Okay. And more rectilinear landscaping. Hard scaping probably hard hard scaping. Thank you. Okay. Got it. Okay. And board member Borman has feels that having a house there on the empty lot will be an asset to the neighborhood. We catch everyone. Okay. With that, there's no action on this. And I'm hoping that the applicant will find this information useful. It is a significant and not when you come back to the board for the landmark alteration permit. These will be things that will be on all of our minds. So I'll turn it over to the applicant if they have any final comments. And as well as our planner Kent Alaro, any final comments? Kevin Muser, I don't have any comments myself but if the applicant is on the call I'd like to extend the opportunity for her to say anything. Hello? Susan, are you there? Yes, I am. I hope you can hear me. And good afternoon or evening. And thank you for the opportunity to say these few words. I am so excited to move back to the neighborhood where I grew up and as board member Garrett mentioned my family has been had a presence for a very long time. And it's really an honor to plan a home that can reflect the history and the culture of the neighborhood and the community while being environmentally conscientious and as fire safe as possible. And I just want to say I really appreciate your comments and I look forward to spending the rest of my life in this community. Thank you. Thank you, Ms. Farrell. Appreciate your comments. I can comment as well. I would like to thank you all for commenting on this. Item and helping them provide further feedback. And I'm also very glad to be able to be a part of this project. That is all I have for now. Thank you. Well, thank you very much, Ms. Kettler. I had a great presentation. Okay, with that, we will close item 8.3. And I got word from Ms. Murray that she has some information for us regarding Fremont Park. I do, but before I go into that, I want to say a quick thank you about concept design review whenever we bring one of those items to you. And this is a big deal building a new home in the McDonald district that the direction that you guys give is so important. It is so helpful to staff. I mean, I know it directs the applicant or the homeowner as well as their design team, but it really helps us in making our findings when we have the input from you. So thank you. And then I wanted to say, yes, modern technology has given me the opportunity to get you an update on the park. I heard from Mr. Wilkinson over in our Parks and Recreation department. And he said, he explained that there had been some contracting delays that they are hoping, hope consultant, they're hoping to see a draft by the end of January or early February, at which point they fully intend to bring it to the board. You will get that draft that'll be posted. So you'll be able to review that prior to the meeting. So that's not far off. Hey, great. Great information. Thank you, Ms. Marie. You bet. Okay. Seeing nothing else. Oh, Board Member Warren. One question, it will be great to have the draft, but what about the historic aspect or any historic information about the original park? I'm sorry, I should have been more clear. It's going to be a draft historic report or the park, not the draft plan. So my bad there, yeah, you're going to see the history of the park. And I don't know, I don't know what all their presentation will include. I suspect you'll get a glimpse of a plan as well, but you will certainly find the history or find out the history of the park. Thank you for catching that. I should mention too that the Santa Rosa Historical Society and their last newsletter had a great article on Fremont Park. Very detailed, very thorough history of the park. And so if you're not a member of the Santa Rosa Historical Society, join in or see if you can contact me offline and I'll get you a copy of the article. Okay, any closing thoughts? All right, well, it's time to adjourn. Thank you all for a great meeting and we will see you next time. Everybody have a happy holiday. Happy holidays.