It's been quite the morning, a whole lot of NBA 2K21 news just dropped from the trailer. Forbes was actually the first ones to come out with their article detailing some of the other behind the scenes information of the stuff we've seen in the trailer, and then 2K just dropped their own blog post explaining some of the stuff we've seen as well. And on top of that, Ronnie's been tweeting some trying to tease. And on top of that, there's a couple, hey, there's a lot! And we're gonna go through all of it here today on this beautiful Lush's channel where you guys can subscribe and click the big red button, you can do all of that. So this is our reaction, my first time ever watching it. The comment section said I was drunk, no guys, I just woke up. That's what it looks like, alright? And this is like an hour removed from that video, so I still kinda look like I just woke up. Besides the point, y'all knew, subscribe to the channel, second game dropped, we're going daily, but for now, we're just going at our pace, you feel me? Oh also, second channel upload dropped in a day as well, a reaction with Lowe. So if y'all wanna see that, link at the top of the description. Okay, so a couple things, once you read the Forbes article, you kinda come to the conclusion that there actually isn't four different parks. It seems as though there's gonna be one large park that includes four different burrows, which is gonna be the different affiliations in the four different corners, likely separated by that big tower of an event center in the very middle of the neighborhood, or should I say now, the city. They say in this article, the city is our most ambitious execution of a virtual basketball community ever. The sheer amount of variety of buildings and basketball courts that we were able to create to fill into the map still amazes me to this day. So they talk a lot about the next-gen possibilities and they're saying this is one of them right here. Saying this is some stuff that wasn't possible in last-gen. Are we already calling this last-gen or current-gen? Whatever. For those who missed it, the different affiliations include the north side, Knights of the Southside, Vipers, Beasts of the East and the Western Wildcats. They talk about bringing affiliations back and how they need to be praised because oh how badly the community wanted it. And they're not lying, a lot of y'all were asking for affiliations. You got it back. Stop. If you guys ever, guys, all right, okay. After begging for years for affiliations to come back since 2K17. If y'all don't go crazy over that, then you guys are hypocrites. Because I never really liked affiliations anyway, but it was cool little gimmick from time to time I participated. Hopefully the implementation of affiliations this year. And for what it seems, they're getting real ambitious with it. And we'll get to that in actually right now because they introduce this new concept called mayor. Seems like each borough, each affiliation is going to have its own mayor that is going to be an influencer. Well, they can make custom playlists for when you're on the court, music that plays. They'll have affiliation videos and messaging they can send to their constituents. They can change the court design and stuff on event courts, mm? Murial design, uniform selection. So they have the power to kind of change the vibe of the whole affiliation. So in the original reaction where I was like, I gotta be Northside. I mean, it only makes sense. Now I have to wait. I don't know who that mayor is going to be. I wasn't hit up about this opportunity guys. So don't look at me. I'm not trying to hold nothing back. I don't know. So I don't know who these mayors are. I'm going to wait to see who these mayors are. And then I'm going to my affiliation. Actually, Ronnie even teased as such. He said, he said this on his Twitter. Everyone announcing their affiliation decisions already. Crank laughing emoji. May want to see what other news is coming first. So I guess some other news is coming that might warrant us waiting before we make such a decision. Although for me, it wasn't much of a decision. Not like I'm choosing which college I'm going to go to. I'm just choosing which corner of the parking and the plane on. Actually, hold on pause. Unlike 2K16, I believe, or was it 15? I very badly want to be able to play with friends that choose different affiliations. I don't want to go through that thing where I can only play with my guys and you have to throw up my set. I don't want to do that. I'm not going to lie to you. Don't think they're going to make that same mistake again because they obviously moved in the opposite direction. So I'm not too worried about that right now. But this is how the 2K devs explained the mayor's responsibilities. Each affiliation will be represented by a mayor. They will be very influential in your day-to-day experience within the city. So what is a mayor and what do they do and how do they become elected? The mayor's will have specific privileges. Ah, 2K will begin the cycle with four influencers in place as mayor. And each term will last six weeks. There will be a new election to establish new mayors from the community or an opportunity or an option to reelect the last mayor. So for example, if they elect Chris Moove as a mayor, he's never going to lose that vote, bro. Chris Moove is going to be the mayor all year. I'm pretty sure. So I don't exactly know how the voting system will work. Like, do we have to log into 2K and be on our phone at a certain time to vote in the election? We got to hit the polls on 2K. Hey, excuse me guys. It's still the morning, man. My brain hasn't fully started to operate on full cylinders. I'm not a mayor. 2K, what's up with that, man? I want to be a mayor too. Sign me up for this thing, man. I'm a politician at heart. No, I'm not. They also went ahead and decided to explain the rent to court. If you've seen in the trailer, there was a Gatorade facility and on the second floor of that Gatorade facility, there was a Gatorade rent to court. Now, it seems as though you can bring anybody that you played with on the neighborhood to the Gatorade facility and then just run games on that rent to court. Now, I hope we don't have to take that name literally 2K because it will be quite wild if y'all started charging us VC to play games. I hope that's not the case. That would be actually wild. So 2K, if for some reason that is what you actually decided to do, remove that before the game launches, man. Trust me, it's gonna be a very, very bad look. The second floor house is a great new feature in the city, rental courts. Want an uninterrupted run of games with your friends or other bothers you just met? Rent to court in the Gatorade training facility and play games however you want. God, why do they sound like a 1980s commercial ad the way they were right over at 2K? What's up with that, man? They also mentioned here in this garage hoop section that 2K actually planted a whole bunch of basketball hoops around the neighborhood and there's actually pretty big VC bonuses for just you running games on that court.  Basically, you have a basketball with you at all times you can pull out in the neighborhood. If you pull out a basketball and you put up a shot on one of these nets, there is a whole bunch of incentives. They just basically wanna introduce exploration. The likelihood that this is actually gonna be a feature that gets used after the first week is very low, but I like 2K's attempt at getting people to just explore the neighborhood. They've tried doing that in the past with disc golf and a whole bunch of gimmicks and the alleyways and the back of buildings, but this is a easily better implementation of a feature that enhances exploration. And it seems as though this city is much larger in scope than any neighborhood or playground in the history of 2K ever as so. There's probably gonna be a lot more, what's the word, potential for exploration and so we're probably gonna be seeing a lot of that in the first couple weeks of Games Launch. Past that, unless the VC bonuses are that crazy, I guarantee you nobody is gonna be doing any exploring. For some reason, this Forbes article references the blog that hasn't even released because the Forbes article came out before the blog, but 2K did drop their own blog in form now because it seems they've been doing this on their website for the last few weeks. Now finally, just a centralized place where we can find information. Okay, so this photo here actually gives us a good glimpse of what they mean by burrows. So this large obstacle in the middle, that's the event center. That's the center of this city here. And on this side, we can see a whole series of different courts surrounded by streets that lead you to the event building and to probably other burrows. And this seems like that Detroit looking one here. That's so interesting. Okay, so yeah, it's gonna be all on the same map and there's gonna be placed at different locations. So it's like, yo, where are you at in the city? Yo, okay, for some like this to be possible, 2K has to have the ability to add like 400, 500 people into the same city. Either that or severely reduced the number of courts available in any one burrow, which might actually impede your ability to just play the way you wanna play. If the two's court is full here on the Western Rough Riders, now you gotta trek all the way to the other side of the city to find another two's court just to see if it's available because they reduced the amount of courts. So the next gen capabilities, I'm assuming that's what they mean here just in terms of capacity. They way more people is gonna be in there. And yo, this looks dope. It almost looks like a futuristic metropolis when you look at the screenshots here.  They got billboards all over the place to promote everything from my team to Beats by Dray to whatever the else they got paid to do. Oh, okay, interesting. So 2K actually introduced a new area to the city called Rookieville and that's where everybody's journey starts. And so it's almost gonna be like a training ground where you find other rookies so you're not in the midst of try hard legend rep grinders with Zens at the same time while you're trying to play the game for the first time. They say here, it's an isolated cluster of basketball courts designed specifically for rookies. That's an interesting concept. First time they've done something like that. Each dedicated space in the north, south, east and west section of the city is what we refer to as the boroughs. Interesting. And each affiliation area houses a unique warehouse basketball court where new mind player progression features awaits. Even more interesting. Scattered throughout the city are quests and objective giving NPCs. If you've ever played an RPG experience, you'll have no problem spotting them. Every four to six week new quest and objectives will be added to people of the city. Okay, pause.  Now I'm telling you, it's the same three or four drills.  Now that's about it. Those three encompass about 78.9% of all NPC drills in RPG games. And because there's no killing and retrieving in NBA 2K, I'm so curious what these objectives can be. What if the objectives were like, put up a bucket on the western rough rider borough? Drop a contact dunk on the north side punks. That'd be honestly, would that be dope? Play your games from Call of Duty to Valorant to whatever introduced daily objectives to get people signing on to the game day by day. But these don't sound like daily objectives though. Cause even 2K has done that in the past. Every four to six weeks, there's gonna be new objectives and quests. So I'm assuming it's something bigger or something a lot harder to achieve. It's also quite possible that this is like an affiliation large objective. Like the whole affiliation has to get 10,000 assists in the week or something like that. I'd love to hear more about that. That's actually pretty interesting. 2K is getting real bold and creative. I like that. Oh, hold on, they even explain it. There's two lines of quests here. First is a series of single player 3V3 games will be challenged to where, oh my God, okay, this is way less fascinating than what I just thought of. Okay, nevermind. The other line of quests will encourage you to get out and play games in the city and reward you for doing so. Simple as that. Okay, so hold on. That's along the lines of what I was thinking about then. I like that.  There in the past, there have been 4V4 courts, like in 2K17. And there's the 4V4 and 5V5 events that they would throw on from time to time. But 2K is verifying here that there are going to be special courts. I guess some of them are gonna be a tribute to Kobe where you can play forwards and you can run fives. And so thank the lords. You don't have to wait for an event to run fives and forwards in the park. Now, historically on 2K, these are the least played courts. But having the option to do so, like on 2K17 sunset when you could just hop on and run forwards was so refreshing. So I'm glad they've brought something like that into the game. I hope it gets used. Likelihood that'll ever be full is not high. Especially if they put it deep somewhere where nobody ends up going. Hope they put it somewhere where it's easily accessible or else it's just gonna be wildly pointless. 2K mentions here that if you reach a 10 game win streak on the park, the ball that you're playing with catches on fire until you lose. I guess that's a cool little gimmick for the people who like to run up streaks. That exists too. Oh, I was right in my original reaction. The pink diamond plaza is just my team triple threat. Oh, man. Why? Y'all got me gasped for once. For those who didn't see the trailer, you probably all have, but it's this big pink building with the fluorescent lights at the top, neon cord. 2K then proceeds to show off a whole bunch of different apparel courts. They got the Adidas, they got the Puma, they got the Converse, new balances in the game this year. The Aft Ultra Ego. Y'all know what that is? Oh, this is dope. This is dope. This is dope. We get some high res photos here of the different affiliations. We got the Northside Knights, there's I think the Southside Vipers, Eastside Beasts, and the Western Wildcats. Whoa, whoa, whoa. Okay, so this is big news here. 2K is letting us know that you can put in a request at City Hall to get transferred into a different borough if you ain't like the one you got. But the penalty to that is your rep goes all the way down to Pro One. So once you start and you're like a week into this, there's no point of switching back. Interesting. I think the last time they did something like this was 2K17. I don't know if I liked that, but not probably won't like that.  I was hoping 2K didn't do nothing like this and it seems like they have. If you are playing on your team's home courts, you get regular rep.  I wish they didn't do it like this cause now I'm not even thinking about which affiliation I think would be cool and I'm thinking about which affiliation the people I regularly play with are gonna choose. That's very, very, very, very tough. It seems they've brought back rival days so like in years past, we'll have an opportunity to battle affiliation versus affiliation and crown one to champ. It seems as though they're gonna do this at the end of each cycle. They mentioned in the final two weeks that every major's term, they're gonna have these rival city day events and all these rep earning restrictions are gonna be removed from the city. Now, I wish they were removed the entire time to be honest with you, but rival day, I'd say this, is the one thing that the community really, really wanted back and every time a community was asking for something like affiliations, really what they was asking for was rival day. That was one of the most engaging events 2K has ever put together in the history of part 2K. So it was interesting they decided to bring that back on the coming next gen. For the launch of NBA 2K21, we've hand selected the initial candidates for mayors, spoiler, there will be some of the biggest names in the NBA 2K community. You know all of them. These four big time community influencers will be leading the charge for our mayor program, but these positions aren't permanent. Every six weeks we'll be looking to host elections in the game where you the community representing your affiliation. Hey, that means y'all gonna have to vote me in. I'm not in here right now, but y'all gonna have to vote me in fellas, all right? When the time comes, when six weeks is over, whoever has north side vipers, y'all gonna have to vote me in there, all right fellas?  We will come through. Hash sitters, unites. Yo, my thing about to be all shark shooters, bro, we don't dribble on this side, we don't play defense, we just shoot, and we shoot better than the rest, man, it's facts. Yo, 2K, you didn't mention this in the article, unless I'm blind, I've been reading the article. First of all, 2K is saying that just dribbling a basketball around the playground is gonna be integral to the experience, which is what I've been trying to say 2K, because in years past, 2K tried to get you to, you have to get certain reps, you have to pay certain VC just to be able to have a basketball in the neighborhood. But it seems as though now, they want you to be dribbling around, they want you to put up buckets when you see a net. Cause that's what you do in real life, bro.  You're putting up some shots, you have to on your way home, that's how we do it, man. But interestingly enough, I don't remember this being explained at all, and I've read the article, like the brand new dancing system described above, you'll be able to showcase your style real-time chaining together a wealth of dribble moves. Okay, 2K, you're doing a lot, right? You're doing a lot, 2K. Can that, does that mean we can also chain together dance moves? I'm gonna be top dancer in the NBA 2K community. We're in real life, guys, I have no rhythm, but in 2K, ooh, I'm about to hit you with every move I got, man. What if 2K sold dance animations? Oh, let me not give them ideas, hold on now. They also talk a lot about the improvement to the functionalities from the skateboards to the BMX bikes. We even seen in the trailer the dude was grinding the rail on the skateboard. So I guess they're really trying to push this exploration thing with the introduction of dribbling basketball courts and putting them buckets everywhere in the neighborhood to the skateboard BMX stuff. Are you guys gonna be right around in skateboards and BMXs? The only time people is really gonna do this, guys, I'ma let you know off-ramp is if it's way faster to get places on these.  They also mentioned one of our new vehicles, the Chopper is a gateway, a great way to flaunt your style. It's not the fastest bike, but it's not supposed to be. This is the one about, okay, hold on, why'd they call it the Chopper? I thought there was gonna be a helicopter in the game.  Man, 2K is getting real creative with the monetization. I swear to God they are, bro. They're still off the wheels bike store here and the deck store that got all the skateboards. 2K does mention because for some reason this is the area I never care about, but for some reason the 2K community loves and 2K just never, ever, ever, ever even attempts to make an improvement. But for the first time in a very, very long time, 2K gave us to update our hairstyles, guys. Let's read. This is one of the big asks from you, our community. We're offering a number of new hairstyles this year that will keep you up to date with the latest looks. So there you go, guys. After years, probably over a decade of asking, it seems as though we're finally getting new hairstyles in NBA 2K21, next gen. They also mentioned you can get a whole bunch of accessories, bust down, Cartier watches, et cetera, et cetera at the embellished store.  I already know. It's like real life, you feel me? You just let the people that wanna get bamboozled, get bamboozled, send them right to the diamond store. So they have affiliation-specific apparel stores on top of all the other apparel stores that they've mentioned. I'm not gonna lie to you, this is a lot of information to drop in one day. From the trailer to this blog post, this is a lot of information. So a couple of interesting points and their closing thoughts they mentioned here. The freedom afforded to us by the open-ended nature of the city is one we plan to grow with into over the coming years. And that's bad news in that if we don't like the city as much as we're excited about it right now and we got it playing it for two to three years and there's not that many visual changes to it, I'm gonna be very disappointed. So if you're gonna re-skin it for 2K22 next gen, but we didn't even like 2K21 next gen, I'm gonna be very, very disappointed. But I don't wanna think all negative for no reason. I'm assuming this is gonna be great. I mean, there's a whole lot of new stuff, right? I like new stuff, new stuff. But at the same time, please 2K, you know what I'm saying? Switch it up, I don't wanna see the same thing year over year over year, please. I say this though, bro, visual concepts. Y'all did a great job, it seems like, and just introducing a whole lot of new stuff, especially after all that's went on this year, you know what I'm saying? A console jump year, you guys is working from home now. A lot has changed, I know. So we've seen the gameplay vlogs, it seems like this is the biggest jump we're gonna get in terms of gameplay that we've gotten in a very, very long time. That's true. And for the first time since 2K18, I'm genuinely excited about the environment that we're gonna be playing in. That's another W. I hope the execution on all the ideas works out. The mayor's stuff, it can be dope, and it could also be beyond corny and very annoying, one of the two. But I'm gonna wait back and see 2K, I like how y'all just try things, man.  But the way they're introducing them is new and it's getting me excited about playing 2K21 Next Gen, and it's only a week away, guys, God damn. I tell you this, I've never seen 2K players this hyped about anything in like three to four years. All right, after reading this blog post, I'm even more excited, because the trailer really just teases a whole lot of stuff for you, but not only are they providing these higher-red screenshots to show you a whole bunch of stuff in and around the neighborhood, but they're explaining to you what the improvements are from the BMX bikes and the skateboards to the different boroughs to the whole rookie thing where you gotta play as a rookie and rookie dumb for a few games before you get introduced. Now you gotta put in a transfer at City Hall to switch. That's actually the one part about this I don't like, by the way. To switch affiliations, you gotta put in a transfer and then go all the way back to Pro One. But that does mean that the reputation system is back and hopefully there's a whole bunch of brand new rep rewards and it's not rehashed BS to make the rep race interesting, man. And yeah, I genuinely don't believe if they do that, whoever wins the rep race is gonna explode to a tier that we've never seen in 2K history before. I believe that to be the case. Remember when they used to have tigers following you around and stuff in 2K 16? Man, 2K, bring some of that back, no, no, no. Bring some new stuff. Sorry, don't bring that back. Bring something new that's as exciting. Hey, 2K, you've outdone yourselves here. Hopefully the implementation of these ideas is good. And hopefully you guys don't find so many ways to monetize this that it takes the fun out of it. Visual concepts, congratulations, man. My expectations were very, very high and so far not disappointed at all. So hopefully the servers are good so we can experience all this stuff without wanting to throw a PS5 out the nearest window. And hopefully the optimization is great so we don't have to struggle. But honey, next-gen possibilities. Y'all been telling us about the next-gen possibilities. I wanna see it in action, man. Hey, I am curious who these majors are. I'm gonna wait to find out. I'm pretty sure I can just find out by sending some texts. So I'm gonna do that real quick. If y'all enjoyed, man, make sure to drop a like, subscribe to the channel. And I'm gonna catch you guys in the next one. Second channel link in the description. Peace.


Hello, and welcome to Release Date Rewind. My name is Marc J. Parker, and I am a film lover, filmmaker, film celebrator. And normally, this is an audio podcast, wherever you get your podcasts on your favorite apps. But thanks to Portland Media Center, you are about to watch the video component of this show where I celebrate movie anniversaries with my friends. Each month, I usually talk about two different movies that I love with different friends, and we talk about the making of the movies, trivia, any fun memories associated with them. So I hope you enjoy, because now it's time to rewind. So this is based on an idea of the Spice Girls, and a man, I thought it was a woman, but a man named Kim Fuller, who is actually the brother of Simon Fuller, and people probably know Simon Fuller mostly from starting American Idol. So Simon Fuller, British guy who was the Spice Girls manager, and I feel like Richard E. Grant, who's so much fun. He plays Clifford, their manager in the movie. I got the vibe that Clifford is sort of modeled a little bit after Simon Fuller, because so apparently he wasn't their manager, if I remember correctly when I was researching. He wasn't their manager in the very beginning of when they got started. He came on a little later, right? Did you see that too? Did you see that too? They took meetings with him once they already were like kind of successful. Because they were with it just a shame. I wonder if that kind of was downhill from there.  But then they kind of fizzled out after that. Like the movie came out and then five months later, Ginger, Jerry quit. Right. And then I was I feel like after that, I was kind of over. I was like, well, without Ginger, I like, I love all of them, but I love all of them together. I know Ginger was for me. Ginger and scary were the ones I looked at the most. Like, yeah, I will never forget everybody. There was this magazine called YM. Do you remember YM magazine? Young and modern and the Spice Girls were on it. And it was a beautiful photo.  I want to say the background was blue. I'll I'll post it. This magazine, guys, I saw in the grocery store and here's me a little like what was I was a 10 year old boy. And my mom's like, you're not buying that. That's for girls. And I'm like, well, I'm buying it, mom, because I love Spice Girls. And I remember having it in my house and my older cousin was over and she said to my sister, who was, if I was 10, she, my sister was six. Marina was little, yeah. Yeah, Marina was little. My cousin goes, Marina, you read Young and Modern. Well, I am. And I was like, no, that's my copy because I like Spice Girls. And she was like, oh, but this photo was amazing. And I bring it up because my eyes always went to Ginger and scary. They just looked stunning. I think also because their their hair was so cool.  But those two were my most like favorite, I'd say. And I also always did love Posh. I was always check and Posh out like she just was always interesting to me. Sporty and baby great, but they never really drew me in like the others. Yeah. Posh and her little Gucci dress, the little Gucci dress. Well, what are you going to wear? The little Gucci dress or the little Gucci dress or the little Gucci dress? Right? I know. How about the little Gucci dress? Do I dress it too short? Ginger and scary were always my favorites. They always stood out. And actually, when I gave the dolls to my niece, she loved scary. Spice was her favorite because Gary had like the the cat fun things and the cheetah outfit and just looking amazing. So that was her favorite. So yeah, those two were always like. Isn't it crazy? And I heard there was power struggle between them. I there was rumors that between Melby and Jerry, but it makes sense that they're I think the most outspoken of the five. And like Jerry had like she was really the one with girl power and she wore that black dress that is like iconic iconic. And then Melby, like they're both I think the strongest personalities and strongest.  So I heard there was like power struggle. Yeah, I remember that back. Yeah, I remember hearing that when we were kids and then I saw that again when I was looking at like, you know, the fallout with Jerry. And I wondered like, man, was that just the press like putting them together? But you know, some rumors are true. And I could see I totally agree. They were powerhouses. You could feel their energy that they were more than just singers. They also kind of were producers themselves. You know, they were idea makers. So yeah, but I love that they at least got over it. You know, I know Jerry was out of the group for a while. But then they I feel like they first reunited maybe for the. Oh, no, they first reunited for the tour. Yeah. And then they reunited again for the Olympics. I remember for the 2010, I believe something like that. Yeah. Yeah. And then and now, yeah, they're always like in videos together. So I love that. And they had a 2019 reunion tour as well. That's right. Yeah. And they released Spice World 25. Yeah, I listened to that today because I had some songs. Yeah, I had some lecture songs and some live some live performances of songs. Yeah, it was fun. But yeah, they released that a couple of months ago. OK, yeah. Spice World 25. That's what's also so crazy me. So they had a movie to promote, but also an album and then singles and music videos like they were making the movie and the album at the same time. So it was that it was a very. Yeah. And and a few of them kind of admitted like they wish the movie could have been better. But because they were so busy, they had such limited. I think they filmed it like two months. And but while they were doing it, they were also doing the album. So they're like, we couldn't put our full ourselves in full selves into this movie. So they kind of wish it would. They're still proud of it. But a few of them are like, could have made it better. Like, yeah, we just had more time to give to it. Yeah. It's a story of love. I think it was born. You should be able to just wield them in. Yeah. And order them like a pizza. Yeah. No cheese. The movie filmed in June and wrapped in August, 97. You're right, two months. And the film was was to be set to the songs from the girl's second studio album. But no songs have been written when filming began.  And the band thus had to do all the songwriting and recording at the same time as they were filming Spice World. Crazy. Yeah, crazy, crazy. So they put, yeah, like it was I think that's why the movie really does serve as kind of one long music video for the album, because that's all they could really do, you know, like there's really no way. Originally, they apparently and you might have seen this too, Katie, Disney, the Walt Disney Company approached them about making a film. But the band turned their offer down because Disney wanted a quote unquote Disney five script about a young single mother of one of the girls fighting hardship to form the band. And I guess they just thought like, no, we don't want to see like a woman struggle. We want it to be totally fun and kind of mirrored on our lives and how everyone wants something from us. And right, you know, yeah, right. Yeah. I feel like that's like one of the pitches the movie guy does in the movie where it's like like all those ridiculous ones. It isn't ones like, oh, they're sisters and they're taking care of their grandmother, so they form a group. And I'm like, this is sounding like that what the Disney was trying with the Disney was trying to put out. Totally. You're right. Maybe that was that line might have been inspired really. I love how he goes in one of the meetings. He goes, OK, another idea. What does he say? He says crocodiles. And then they're just like, OK. That was a lot of funny stuff. And then it's funny because then his idea at the end, then like, I see, I kind of wish the whole movie was meta the whole time. Because then at the end, then he's saying what they're actually doing. And then at the very, very end, we see the actors from the movie with the Spice Girls on set. I forgot that. I totally forgot that. I mean, so do we just watch a movie about the making of the movie? I was like, wait, what? It's almost it's so meta that it actually, I don't think makes sense because it's like, well, we just saw them and then now they're meeting and it's like their trailers and then the girls are talking into the camera. I'm like, wait, but like, I'm like, wait, I feel like I'm in a new universe. Like I can't I can't fathom this, but I just I kind of wish the whole movie was a little bit more like that, where like, let's just commit to it where like this is almost like a mockumentary of their lives, you know, instead of some of these goofy things, which I still love and we'll we'll talk about our favorite goofy moments because there are quite a few, but also another writer on this film. So it's it's mostly Kim Fuller and the Spice Girls, I guess, naturally are very we're very involved in the writing because I mean it's based on their individual characters. But then also there was a writer who did additional writing. I saw named Jamie Curtis, not Jamie Lee Curtis, but Jamie Curtis. And then it just made my mind water. I'm like, what if Jamie Lee Curtis was a writer? He secretly wrote for this movie and was it produced by Jimmy Cameron? Wait a minute. We're putting these together. Like that's where James Cameron went for his hiatus. He's making. Oh, my God. He's like, sure, this will be a nice no-brainer for me after Titanic for the last few years. But isn't that so funny?  So I don't know. Maybe that's Jamie Curtis's alter ego. Yeah, a little fun fact there. And then it was the movie was directed by a British guy named Bob Spears. This was his second feature film. He had just done, which I remember seeing this one in that darn cat with Christina Ricci, the remake in 97. Do you remember that one? I do. I don't know if I saw it in theaters. But what was interesting about like Bob Spears is he actually didn't know the Spice Girls. Yes. Like he they like offer like his friend. Actually, I think it was Jennifer Saunders, who's in the movie as a cameo from Absolutely Fabulous, which I love that show. My mom and I watched it growing up. But yeah, he had no idea what it was, who the Spice Girls were. And and she actually told him to take the job.  And so he met them in New York City to like kind of meet and greet. And he didn't know what they looked like. Like, he had no idea. Which is crazy, but it kind of makes sense because they were exploding, but they were still so new because Roger Moore had no idea who they were. And he was in this movie. No, he didn't know anything about the Spice Girls and they approached him about the movie and he was like, all right, I guess. So it's really funny, like a lot of people in this didn't know who the Spice Girls were. That is shocking. Yeah. I mean, yeah, I guess when you think about it, all right. They because because we're looking at it as the finished film, which came out over a year after their debut. But really, they were only shooting about, I don't know, maybe eight months after their first album came out. So yes, some of these older people could be like, you know, what, you know, but it's just funny because they were winning awards and they were like at award shows. But I guess they were coming at, yeah, they were exploding. But I feel like certain, yeah, like Bob Spears and Roger Moore, like, I don't know. I didn't know about Roger Moore. That is so funny. And it's his scenes in the movie are they're cute. But I mean, the things he's saying and then he's holding he's with a cap. But then later he's holding a pig. Did you notice that he's petting a pig? And then there was a bunny.  And then also even a bit of like Charlie's Angels with Charlie on the phone or whatever they have. Charlie's Angels references in the movie, they just in the photo scene. I know. That's a fun montage of scenes in one day, Roger Moore. He filmed one day and he had no idea what the movie was to know anything else about the movie. Wow. That is a lot of the people that came out and it had no idea what the movie was about. They're like, sure, I'll just do it. Oh, and there are so many cameos. There are so many cameos. Some of them. Some of them we don't even really know. They were like British celebs, some different host stuff. But I mean, there's writing. There's so many people. You know, there's even people that Elvis Costello. Which is funny because the beginning of this movie reminds me of Austin Powers. It's all very psychedelic. I wrote that I wrote. It's very like bond, psychedelic, very like, yeah. Silly spoof of like the spy stuff. But then it's funny because then Elvis Costello pops up as the bartender and Elvis Costello has a cameo in Austin Powers. So I was like, wow, I feel like I feel like Spice World and Austin are a fun, wacky 90s duo. He came out around the same time. So it kind of they kind of, you know, yeah. Totally similar to it's actually shocking. The Spice Girls were never Fembots or anything in any of the Austin Powers. I guess I guess because, yeah, when you think about it, they were probably shooting Austin Powers while the girls were making their first album. So they didn't know each other. And then by the time the second one came out in 99, Jerry was already out of the band. So I guess there really wasn't a time for them to do one of the Austin movies, you know? But yeah, I feel like in some alternate universe, they definitely partnered with Austin Powers. What are they called in the one of the ideas, Fab Force Five? Is that Spice Force Five? Spice Force Five, yes, of course. Yeah, so Fembots. Yeah, I would watch that movie actually. Oh, totally. Spice Force Five, a thousand percent. Right, it might have been better than what we got. Compassion. It is really too hot in here. I need a fan. What are your favorite moments? Oh, I love, so I love the ending with they're on the bus and they're racing to the concert. So funny. And there's like a bomb on the bus. Like it's just so ridiculous. And then, yeah. And the guys like talking about the movie and they're like, now they're on top of the bus. They're like, ah!  I remember that and being like, that's really funny. I love the haunted mansion scene. It's so random.  Random scenes, but I remember that one and I remember being like, why are they in this creepy old house again? Like, I don't know, but I love it. It's really funny. It's like good slapstick humor. Yes, and I love, as soon as I saw the toilet, I remembered that the creepy guy who's actually Richard O'Brien from Rocky Horror. Yes, Riff Raff. Yes. I saw him and I was like, oh, he's in Ever After. He plays the creepy guy in Ever After. And I'm like, wait, and he's Riff Raff. Like sometimes it's hard to like put things together. Yes. Oh, totally. It's funny because he looks exactly like Riff Raff, but I didn't realize that literally until I rewatched it for the show. Yeah, yeah. I'm like, oh my God, that is him. But as soon as I saw the toilet in that spooky scene at night, I remember that, oh my God, he comes out of the toilet and every move he makes, the girls all like, it's funny. Cause ultimately the movie is sort of like an SNL episode. It's really just like good little skits, you know? Yes. And like that's them poking fun at horror movies and you hear the ch-ch-ch-ch, you know? Yeah. But yeah, that guy, he is so funny in how he always pops up. He's in the water. He's like in the bushes. He's in the horseradish at the party. And he's like, oh, I think that's so scary. He's in scrubs at the hospital, you know? Yeah, he's always onto them. Because ultimately the villain is, which I completely forgot this, the villain is the editor of the paper, which I think is called the event, right? Daily event. The daily event. The daily event. And he's so just sick of always having to write about the Spice Girls that he wants to write bad stories about them and make them go away. He wants them to break up and take them down. Yeah, like it's, yeah, I'm like, okay. But yeah, you know, then that it really is a metaphor for all the press that they were getting and all the rumors and so it is kind of interesting watching this as an adult's point of view because I have not rewatched this movie in decades. 25 years probably. Probably, maybe 24, but like it's been a long time. So seeing it with adult eyes, I'm like, oh wow, this is all like a metaphor for all the pressure and all the annoying things I have to deal with. Totally, yeah. What else do you like from the movie? I love, well, The Spice Bus is amazing. We already talked about Spice Bus. I love their outfits. I've always, always, always loved their fashion and I've always loved how they're so individual with their fashion. And in this movie showcases, they have so many outfit changes. I love it. And how fun when they dress up as each other, right? When they dress up as each other. I love the photo shoot scene with, what's his name? Dominic West as the photographer. That was one of his first roles. He came up and like, Dominic West, what are you doing in this movie? Like I totally forgot. And I saw Hugh Laurie from the show House is in it. Is in it. Stephen Fry is the judge. Yes. And then of course. Call Halte in the blue fish. I laughed at that. I think it was so cute. And then of course we have Alan Cumming, but he's not a cameo. He's like actually. Love Alan Cumming.  And for a second I'm like, were they making fun of Pierce Morgan? But I don't know if Pierce Morgan was around at the time. I don't know. I know like Pierce is not a likable guy, so maybe he wasn't likable then.  Did you watch The Traders yet? It's a reality? Oh my god, you gotta watch it. Do you have peacock? Never even heard of it. Oh my god, Katie. I do, yeah, peacock. Oh my god. Do you like like reality competition shows where like people are voted off each week? What kind of competition? You might like this. So the British season just aired into seven. Is Alan Cumming on it? Alan Cumming hosts the US season that just came to peacock earlier this month. Everybody, if you aren't watching The Traders, you are ridding yourself of a really fun reality show. It's filmed at the exact same castle the UK season was at. It's set at a castle in Scotland, so it's perfect for Alan Cumming. He's the host. He's having so much fun. He looks great in all these crazy outfits and it's like a murder mystery, but no one's dying. But there are traders that are assigned the roles of traders and their task is to kill a different person in the group every night and then during the day, they have to meet at a round table and they evict someone. They basically banish someone who they think is the trader. So it's all about lying and deceit and the US season is a mix of reality stars and real people and it's just so much fun. Check it out. You might not like it. I'll check it out. I binged it. I loved it. I thought it was like such a fun and fun. It's on peacock. I love Alan Cumming, so. He's great. He is meant for that. It's like such a good gig for him. But yeah, anyway, so I digress about Alan Cumming. But yes, tell me more. So yeah, I loved all their fashion, their outfits. Like I just, I love that. I thought it was so funny, the scene when they were at the party and Jerry's like, I hate when people dress up like this.   And she says that. She says that as drag queens dressed as them are walking by. Did you notice that? And misunderstanding when the speeding melon hits a wall. Yay! Christmas for the crows. What did he say? I have no clue. And then there's the nightclub scene, which is awesome. Yes. How amazing is that nightclub? First of all, I wrote in my notes, that's an amazing nightclub I want to go to there. Like. I know. Everyone is decked out and I love the posh. I remember in that line, she says something about the dress code. Like, can anyone tell me what the dress code is here? Yeah. But yeah, that scene is great and very music video. Because I'm like, we could have cut a minute ago, but we're just dancing with the girls and that's all right. And that's when they're singing one of my all-time fave Spice Girls songs. Who do you think you are? I love that song. Oh. Love and I love it. Yeah, I know. And that's when their friend, Nikola, gives them that look. I remember that look so well. She's up above and she's just like, Oh! And she's having the contractions and then the camera zooms in on baby Spice. Nikola!  But yeah, that's a great scene. Totally. Yeah. I love some of my favorite moments that I immediately think of. I love, obviously, the drill sergeant boot camp. I love that scene. That's a cute scene. That's a fun scene. To me, Spice World, it's always the girls in the army fatigues and then Posh is in her army. Victoria! Right? You'll just like trying to like do the tires. And she's not doing any of those like relay races. No way. She's just walking. I love that. I love the, you know, strength and courage and a wonder bra. You know, I love that whole thing. That's such a funny. They're weird dance instructor guy. I love the whole sequence there. I also love, I mean, we got to talk about the aliens. What do you think about these aliens? I totally forgot about that scene. Oh, did you? So, when it was happening, I was like, oh yeah, like it like came back to me. But when I was remembering, like before I rewatched, I was trying to like think how much I actually remembered from the movie. And that I like totally had forgotten about the aliens. I feel like if James Cameron had directed this, the aliens would have been better at special effects. But other than that, it was, yeah.  Oh my God. Now I'm picturing Avatar meets Spice World. And it's these- Or the abyss. If you actually watched the abyss yet. Oh yeah, I need to watch that. But it's nowhere to be found. Much like Spice World. I know. I know. We had to watch it like- I know. Thank you for finding that website. I would have had to go from memory. And I'm like, oh. Oh God. I'd be like, uh, they sing their songs and- They sing their songs and there's great outfits. What else is a good scene? But yeah, the aliens are like super silly and also sexual. Like they immediately go for Mel B's boob. And then they want to kiss from ginger and they want posh to sign the belly. Like it's so goofy. And then I love how later during the big finale, which is so awesome when they sing Spice Up Your Life at the concert. It is so awesome. But then it shows like everyone around the world dancing and it shows the aliens like on their planet with Spice Girls t-shirts dancing. I'm like, okay. All right, cool. You know? I also love the scene where they're at the, I guess, is it like Italy or something where the guys with the assilist staff? So they were shirtless.  I did too. And I was like, this is hilarious. And then they're like, well, we made a compromise. What did Jerry say? Haven't you heard of compromise? I shed. And I'm like, I want to use that word. That's the main thing. I love that line. But um, and so they're dancing and then they turn around all their asses are hanging out. I was cracked. Like that was the compromise. It's like, that's like when my brain, like I have no idea. Like I forgot, I love that song they sing. It's not there. It's, um, do you want to play in my game? I love that song. What song is that? Yeah. So that song, which is interesting, that's not one of theirs. That's from Gary Glitter, who was actually supposed to be in the movie. You might have seen this little bit. I don't know who got it. So I read that in trivia. Yes. I don't know him either. He was a British singer. Yes. He shot his whole scene and everything, but they had to pull it because of child pornography. Yeah. But they kept the song in. Come on, come on. I'm the leader of the gang by Gary Glitter. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. See, I didn't know Gary. I read his name and that he was in it. He had like a good four minute scene. Wow. And then they had to cut it right before they released it, which was kind of good at least, not good that he got arrested on this, but at least the timing, he wasn't in it. You're like, oh. Yeah. At least they were able to quickly remove it. Yeah. We had this pervert in our movie. Yeah. But I completely forgot about those, the beefed up, you know, dancers and how, yeah, they don't like that they're just in their underwear and the captain hats. But then they come out in those purple suits. And as soon as they saw the purple suits, I'm like, oh yeah, I remember this.  And then all the girls are like, oh, okay. Like the face. And the manager's like, that was the compromise. Yeah. That was great. Yeah. Some of the jokes land. Some of the comedy is, it works. A lot of it, or at least half of it doesn't work, but it's still so, it's so cute and so family friendly that like, at least you get a kick out of it, no matter what. They make it. Yes. Like they have so much charisma and personality and individuality that I feel like it could have been a better movie. Yes, I wonder to their point when they were saying like, they wish they'd had more time to put to the movie, like I wonder if it could have actually been like, like a Beatles Hard Days Night, like kind of a classic, you know, which is compared to often the Beatles Hard Days Night. I was trying to think of other movies like this and there really aren't too many movies starring a band, about a band, but like with fictional elements. This isn't a very common thing. No, so Hard Days Night's one and then Spinal Tap was another one, which I've actually never seen.  I've actually never seen the whole thing either. Yeah. But I know people love it. That's great. Being that Jamie Lee Curtis, her husband, Christopher Guest makes those movies. He made that movie. Yeah. But yeah, and what's different about that though is at least it's a fake band. It's totally, you know. Yeah, that's true. The band is totally fake for that. Which, did you read a Billie Eilish thought that the Spice Girls were totally fake, like a Spinal Tap situation that they were made up to the movie and luckily somebody schooled her and then it was like, no honey, sit down. We gotta learn, yeah, we gotta learn today. Let me tell you some history, Billie, okay? They were very much real. But she loves the Spice Girls. She's like, oh, they're so great. I thought they were good. No, they're so great. But you're right, it's not a common movie. Yeah, that's a good point. Yeah, it's not a common style. I think because it's hard, because I saw Hard Day's Night one time years and years and years ago. Yeah, I've seen it, yeah. And I can't remember, I'll look it up right now. I can't remember if it's well-liked. I mean, I know fans liked it and I'm sure it was financially successful, but much like this film, financially successful made apparently 100 million worldwide, but like critics.  I have a bone to pick with Roger Ebert. Did you see what he said about my girls? Okay, I know he's dead, but wherever he is from the beyond in the Bed Bath and Beyond, the beyond section. Literally, he said, and I quote, the Spice Girls could be duplicated by any five women under the age of 30 standing in line at Dunkin' Donuts. Good sir, I have been to many Dunkin' Donuts in my life. Many, I have been the girl under 30 standing in line at Dunkin' Donuts. And I will tell you, nay-nay. No, that is not the case. That might be the line in LA maybe? I don't know, but the line everywhere else, you don't want those girls to be in your Spice Girls. In like, Glassboro, New Jersey? Nah, honey. So, again, he can defend himself against my... Oh, wow. Okay, I'm wrong. I'm totally wrong, everyone. So, A Hard Day's Night, the Beatles film is actually really critically beloved. It has a 96 on Metacritic, so critics loved it and fans loved it as well. It has a 7.5 rating on IMDb, so, okay. I'll have to check it out. I wouldn't be streaming anywhere. I do love the Beatles. Yes, apparently, you'll be happy to know I see it's on HBO Max. Oh, millions. Oh, it is. Yes, I'm gonna watch it, okay. And it's only an hour and a half, same thing. And it's similar in that it's sort of a fictional time. It's over two typical days in the life of the Beatles. They struggle to keep themselves and their mischievous grandfather in check while preparing for a live TV performance. So, honestly, Spice World is almost sort of like a remake in a way. Yeah, which, that's why it was campaigned a lot. Oh, look at Nick and Goat! That's more like it! This January, rock your world. Help!  Spice World. Yeah, but can they act? Blah, blah, blah, girl power, feminism, do you know what I mean? It's hard to not have a good time. It's hard to not like smile at all during this movie. And then also I love the flashback to when they're at the cafe and they're young and scrappy, but still like little kernels of themselves, right? But they made themselves look a little different and they start singing wannabe and it's like their demo version that was a little different. And I just always like thought that was a cute little sort of like fantasy backstory. Some of the girls actually regretted doing that back, that background scene where they were like, oh, we were friends and homeless friends because they felt it like misled fans about how they actually formed. So some of them were like, ah, you know, cause they didn't feel like they were being honest and I'm like, well, it's a movie. Like, you know, like I knew that they were put together by, you know, but some of that they were kind of like, oh, we felt we were being just, you know, misleading fans and the thinking that we were like best friends, you know, before forming the Spice Girls. But I love that scene too. I think it's a really fun, cute scene. Yeah. Thanks so much for watching. Next time there's gonna be a new movie that we'll talk about. So stay tuned and please follow Release Date Rewind on Instagram for updates. Bye.