We'll be on fire. We'll be lately. It's a unique husband. Check check check. It's a unique house It's your boy ECO and I'm here with the lovely amazing official. Ms. Jamaica. What's going on? No, no, you know, my dad will go on I want y'all to go ahead and stop what you doing like subscribe follow us on all social media platforms share our content We are on snapchat Facebook Instagram threads. You name it tick tock you name. We're on it Just search ball stock podcast 101 on all those platforms and you will find us But definitely if you want to see our full length interviews Go to our YouTube membership and go ahead and subscribe go ahead and you know sign up for a membership package because you get all Exclusive content that way. Okay. Thank you in advance man. Hey man. Listen man. Check it man Hey, we got a guy in here today y'all really really don't need no introduction He really don't be just on a whole bunch of interviews. So I was blessed to get him in here today, man This brother family. I mean it run deep to be honest with you when I was I was listening to him But he didn't realize I was listening to him. I was watching him watching his moves I had to because it was so close to home man. Check it man. Jay dogs in the building man Man listen man listen, I'm gonna be real with you man. I do this from the heart That's what make it different brother be honest with you man It's so much stuff. We're gonna get into you know what I'm saying, but the thing is man You're legend for me in Texas, bro And other the south period see cuz I don't gauge is the same and I'm not gonna go there early But I don't gauge is the same as others because a lot of time the information being pushed down on us And we ain't pushing the information up We got to push up harder, you know what I'm saying to make sure people understand the legacy down here when they Talk about you can run through a CD of you can run through a whole album and not skip We don't get counted in that stuff, bro I don't know why you and oh I count us, but I'm just saying they be hating a lot of time And I know that so I'll be getting really upset and that's why that was one of the main thing My brother say you won't do somebody. I say yeah, nigga. I got the podcast now niggas up That's what my OG rest of peace Pimp see you so I always try to push. Yeah Yeah, man, that's we're gonna talk about that too cuz I'm a big that's what I do that. That's that's my guy me too Yeah, cuz I like to go into the background I like to get to know you as a person and not really just so much as an artist I know you were born and raised in East Texas. No, no, he was born in Houston. Oh, sorry, Houston My sister my brother Why are you born up there? She met He was from Houston So how many y'all she had three three so you are the oldest or where baby the baby spoiled I spoiled myself spoil yourself so you were raised in the household with your mom and dad No, just my mom just your mom, but was your dad active in your life? But did I say this he probably have some good reasons for whatever, you know, so You know, I mean him, you know, we cool cool real cool. No But now so you didn't never ask him What's up? He wasn't even that long enough to ask that Hmm So, how old were you when you saw him as you got older and you actually got the chance to talk about going to high school He stayed around the corner for us. Okay, you know Had his own new family and stuff, you know, so That's why I started Man as a young boy as a young kid Did you have any resentment at that time for him? Yes, I did man. It was one of the things draw me crazy. I just couldn't understand how nobody Could not love my mom.  You don't even realize it kick in You see what I'm saying cuz you don't really even think about what you've been mad about it comes out if a nigga say something like I Never get a nigga in jail with snowing man. I talked him up You know I'm saying cuz I told him to stop snow, but it really wasn't about the snow I really want to be there first of all, but at the end of the day I just give me a reason a lot of times it's just like and anger is like that anger be sitting there waiting like oh I'm gonna get out on somebody Am I right wish I wish you would and then you know my anger a little bit everybody in the different mind Was a little too hard to control. Yeah. Yeah, nobody could control it. I couldn't I don't think nobody Could but as long as I remember nobody tried But me tell me about a situation where Something happened and your anger lashed out See Probably probably getting jump But I was look you know getting jumped on It was something that that that was the most humbling. I think when I got jumped on one time It really just that was That they turned fire to my eyes More than one person put it. You know me right that put fire in me Yeah, I never really had you know, I grew up, you know arm in the project. So I never really had Issues with certain things that was going on in my life like with my mom You know, it was like normal. You know, it's no daddy's over here So we complain it didn't make sense. You didn't say none of your friends you went over any of your friends house They were all single parent households You could you didn't qualify for apartment in the projects if you had a daddy But that's a part of the day. I'm that was the part of the problem. No, that was the plan It ain't no problem. It was the plan. That's right. That's the Project okay in the family separate and that's why they say we're gonna come check and then they take you down Now I used to go down there. We were trying to get our food stamp So they got to take me down. I got to get dressed up.   They want to look at us Yeah, they want to look at then you go back and they send you your check Then you might come back four months later and do it all over again They want to see you again.  You're not gonna get them food stamps. Am I right? Exactly And the projects is no daddy stepdaddy And he can't stay if you was a good stepdaddy you was the all-time quarterback for everybody You was the only one so you rest of your stepchild. You got a rest of 30 Yeah, you can roll that down at the bottom of school. Yeah, but but the police come through stepdaddy going to jail Yeah, he showed me when they do the sweep you trust fast. Yeah, you know, so that's crazy But that's that's the way it be and that's the way it was looking back on your life now Because you know when you're going through that situation and you're not realizing that your anger is stemmed Because you didn't have the father figure and stuff like that in your household But looking back now you can you see how important it would have been if you had yeah, I see You know, I honestly are I almost at one point of time felt like we was better off without it But then as I got older having kids, I'm like, damn Everybody who I know It don't matter if they they in the same projects. I mean Same, you know a situation that they had a mama and daddy they always came out better They weren't the ones doing all the time They never was I'm talking about street from the streets everything Your mama and daddy could have been from the streets, but they it always worked out better for somebody I watched that my own You know, I always like I said When I think about just and getting going toward the music a little bit I always when I would when I would hear your music The pain was in your music, bro. Like like it was something in you was a girl. I remember I never forget my little partner Papa I said man, you gotta listen to jade. I put him on the jade.  He said man that cold because he'd been locked up and stuff I said, yeah, nigga, it's real like it help. It's like a it's like a uh, it's like therapy, bro People don't realize that bro. It's therapy for people that you already already been No, it is but people who've been through stuff Listen to what you're saying and it's like it's like a ministry, bro Right. Yeah, they tell me that now It's the truth because a lot of times the nigga can't be reached in some of those places that you can touch Just by some of the things that you testify and giving your testimony on in those verses, bro And that's some real talk. Is it such a way where When people listen to the music they feel like because you know before listening to it They're like, I'm the only one going through this. Nobody else can understand what I'm doing when they hear Black man, I can resonate with what you're saying because I'm going through that too That's how it feels and it's crazy because sometimes I don't have a A good end in another story, you know, just to share they pain And be going through the same thing they're going through even if I haven't mastered it or conquered or got out of it That alone seemed like, you know, help. Yeah. Yeah, but how healing is it for you to put that on in your music on paper and you know get it out And continually have to wrap that all the time It's not all It's rewarding as it was not ages like damn, you know every song Like the features that I get most damnly every one of them By death or by right, you know, it's because I'm so connected to it. So nowadays it don't give me the same feeling, you know man With early on it was stumped down You know, I mean, if I'm to my just starting, you know, the early early stages of yeah sds 16 years young and Not only were you young, but you was you was You was gifted at that time didn't know the extent of the giftedness But just just knew you had to do it, you know what I'm saying like what?  That's who it was mario. Yeah, we from st. Mario. Yeah, we grew up in the bridge Slim was down the way down the way me and slim met in school intermediate Okay, okay, so we started going in immediate together. That's what yeah, it was a mario. How's he doing? Teen it. Yeah, he's great. I call him now. We talk here. Okay. Good. Yeah, he's working hard. He's doing this thing. He's great Slim actually on From another side of Other north side. Okay. Okay, but he ended up moving on my end Doing those school school years That's how we got connected. We actually went to switch house on the same car the first time We ever did switch out But when you think about those early days is those contracts and stuff was so messed up, bro You know, I'm saying like when you think about because I talked to I talked to everybody talk D-Rig I talked to who else that I talked to down there.  It was too difficult because I had people who who who didn't know To teach me You know what I mean? So they was trying to learn as they go. Yeah, you know, but it's crazy, right? in my era Everybody knew it was like an unwritten law that everybody knew you was gonna get messed over when your first contract And it's crazy. That's how it is. Like everybody knew this. I think nellie said the same thing Nellie say he got hit on get messed over the first initial setup in the game At that time niggas was losing at that first initial hit And if you get back you you lucky to get back. Yeah, you can get back Yeah, but it was like a no thing that everybody was gonna go through You know, so man, I like like the fact of so how did you how did you feel like when you was doing the music in the Mist of being in the situation where you didn't really understand what the whole game. When did you realize like This ain't this ain't really really this ain't right or I don't think this is the way this thing supposed to go when I came home When I came home, you know When I was in a penitentiary, I said I had the time to sit back and just think of everything state You're the state penitentiary And how are you? What was your beat up? How you know? Because I know I'm a hustler. I just that's right How are you? He's like, how you know that like we all I'm from Texas, man Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, you know one like like how was it like basically you come home. How long you gone? Just three three years, but that's just three years in three years. What did you do to get in trouble? It was you know how they mess us up when when we were young getting in trouble with the You got this shot probation. You didn't got the damn shot probation whatever probation I was on All the all the years later when I was older I'm still dealing with this Violation here violence of last violation send me down or deferred judicated. They did all kind of stuff They had names for this stuff. It was deferred for me. See what I'm saying I know because I know the game made no sense. You know, that's what's happening to the young It's sad. You're in the papers. And that's the first time you went to prison Yeah, you 17. Yeah, that's that's how I aged right to be able to go to penitentiary No, I was like that was it was something 15. They tried 15 years as a adult. It was very little. Yeah, NTYC It was very but it wasn't a lot It was a low percentage But they wouldn't do it if they could get over on them in that county You see what I'm saying it didn't happen all the time But you would see them sprinkled through and now I think it's even at all time worse now Yeah, Texas got a hundred and yeah, we go to some prisons way more In the world in the world And it's crazy because the first time I ever was on the road going out of town and the shit it was On the blue on that damn bus I exactly know what you're talking about. That's the biggest trap ever mean the first time you went to prison Um, what was your thought as a young man being locked up? I knew I was gonna go to the penitentiary. I was I was from the bricks Okay, everybody over the I mean it was expected. Yeah, so it's crazy to me that Nobody wanted to go to jail, but I was waiting on my time You know, do people sit you down? It's okay. You're gonna go one then. This is what you're gonna see This is what you're gonna expect and this is what's gonna happen. They do it more in the threatened way You know what I mean when we when we young we messing up In TYC's and why Mac and all that Juvia, you know, and they let us know you ain't ready for that You know, but it was same way when we was in intermediate school and they were saying When y'all get to middle school, it's gonna be serious. You know, we in the middle school They say when you get to high school, they ain't playing Did you go to when you did you hit a transfer facility when you like gurney or something? Of course, I was gurney So what they what they tell you on the joy of gurney unit? Yeah, but ain't been crazy They say What's to do when they say that enough make us all man be down there He was yanking the toilets Uh-oh I don't even know who it is, but I just know Was he crazy? No, he's just strong like that. He's just yeah, he was crazy He was definitely crazy But the crazy part is what's that girl? Is she she down there? Oh six four six four. Yeah, she's marching. She was down there. Yeah, good. You got to go through that There's some chains again Middle to middle to do and they had good breakfast though. Yeah. Yeah You like that you like that pancake and peanut butter Do you still eat pancake and peanut butter today? Even when it comes to the spreads right now in the world, you can buy all the best Oh, yeah, but the spreads in jail. It's different. Show you. Really? Yeah, he tried to show me one time It's just 10 times better.     We put it in the bag. We eat all of them And roll it around until we get it right And I hear this good Dependent tension spread ever. No, that's real. I agree. You can put the same stuff It just don't taste the same. Don't taste the same and this is the real stuff right here Wow, the real name stuff Stuff in there, man. It's different all the generic. It's different. So you get home How did you what was the thing that made you made you realize like man? I got to do something to get you know this business in on right before I came on Oh, nigga, what they was what was going on? Mike Jones. What? Listen man, no cap, you know, I mean Mike Jones, I didn't even know he he rapped When I left he was like Part of the promotion team We don't hand the flies out and you know, I ain't even know he can rap Matter of fact, he was he he even at one point of time was damning like the designated driver when we on the road He didn't smoke he didn't drink You know, so man, I'm in the penitentiary man around killers If anybody here if somebody say who Everybody say Mike Jones And when I seen the picture of I'm like, man, this ain't the designated But then in my mind, I'm like, damn, this is how far we taking to see far enough I just want to hear my hood represented.  You got to come back on her too. You guys don't let this be the last time you come on this show, bro Man, listen, we gotta we gotta we gotta we gotta keep it going because I'll be I'll be blessing my people I gotta show my people love, bro. Now nobody's gonna we we can't wait on bt and all that stuff We got to do it while we love each other, bro. We rock while we got each other, you know what I'm saying But I'm just He didn't get it. He didn't get it. It fell through Him and somebody else it fell through They didn't want him to get it after he got so cold.  Yeah. Yeah, that's uh, that uh, the ball hit boy the weather guy too What is it? What is his name? I don't forgot it, but I know it's I Byron allen is that it? I think that's it Yeah, I think that's him. He got a wet the weather channel. I know he worked that money. Look it up. It's Byron allen. I can't believe It fell through on it It fell through on it Who got it right now?  Yeah byron allen And so Yeah, Byron allen makes 10 billion bid on disney a bc He's still trying to buy stuff byron allen is the guy that that pretty much running and owning different stuff And we keep watching it. We keep watching bt and all that stuff although we don't own it black entertainment The Where the white people They said 80 is wrote wrote the bible. I heard that before. Yeah, it could be But but here's what I'm I mean now. They said 80 is made to Not wrote the bible 80 is made the bible uh Yeah, well when you when you look at yeah, when you look at who wrote the bible, you know It scrolls and all that you start going through a history and you end up in the east and all that And two or three different groups of people wrote the bible, but put it together at different times You know what I mean?  Yeah, I'm cool with that Okay, so when you come home, you what are you what's the first thing you do try to get your business straight? Man when I came home Man, I was still still green. I was still blinded. I was trying to I still wanted to give me a break Yeah, I can't I'm thinking about selling though. Well, what was the first song that you did and who did you work with? You went back with okay? Yeah, like the music The recent Time I can't know. No, I'm talking when you first come on back then No back then when you come home because niggas waiting on you You was popular man. Yeah when I came home Everybody was wondering that that I have a lot of music. I ain't right. Not one rapping jazz When I came home, I damn they did a project in one week, you know, I mean like the behind team one when I came home I did that so quick. It was ridiculous But why you didn't write while you were in jail because I've never heard no what it does not depressed Nah, I want to press it out. I I don't know why I actually that's the only thing The first the second time I ever cried in jail Because I was talking to go out like you took my talent from Yeah, yeah, yeah, you thought something was wrong. Okay, you couldn't write you couldn't do you couldn't think Yes And you know the niggas in there they they expecting to hear you rap or something Oh, yeah, they you know that. Yeah, them niggas in there beating on tables and chess. Yeah, they wanted to hear Actually, my brother, you know, I mean he from Dallas He was one of the coldest ever and still to this day. He out here right now and the people don't even really know What's his name? Rory Rory Okay, okay from Dallas. He he out here now cold That's the one who locked up with you Damn show I'm gonna put that nigga in here and make him do me a freestyle. I'm gonna hit that nigga.  We tired to stop playing nigga Bad, I want to hear it. I read the baddest man It's cuz it cuz you you too too cold the cold is on the unit won't be those robbery and froke They could go man say I gotta ask you back. Um, did you ever get an answer from god? Why he did that to you while you were in prison? because you know sometimes after he let me live live by The uh answer if i'm if that makes sense like uh As I kept dealing with him and in so many ways he was showing me, you know, I can do this Yeah, yeah, I mean so if you played with this I could take this back Yeah, yeah, I mean and if you played with it, you know, you don't do right by I won't give it back to you know, and I didn't even think that was possible I didn't think that it it it would ever be a day. I can't wrap I can't even put my thoughts together. Yeah, and he took because you think that all you needed is your voice But really that's not all you need Remember learning how to rap so high It's gone. You know, that's how natural rapping is with me. So the highs are gone. Yeah, absolutely gone Somebody I couldn't even beat on the table. You couldn't even come over nothing He wanted you to spend that time with him. Okay. I was so scared cuz I was like that I ain't never did number seven double rap So did you go back to boss or did you link up with boss hog outlaw as soon as you came home on that after that Be it and y'all was what was the first music that that that you done And It wasn't behind you didn't do that the first exact soon as you came home Man, I could be wrong. I I believe it was seven clicks. Okay. Okay. Yeah, but we y'all heard riding on folk Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah Yeah, I think it was that riding on folk boy.  I talked mr. Lee about that.  Yeah every time he brought one two of it I was like, that's it And he love I'm thinking that's it come back with another. All right. No, that's it right there He love came back with another man. That's it. We can't Black don't show me no more Came back with them bells in a minute. Oh, mr. Lee. Mr. Lee did it twice. I mean did it twice That's the one though. We heard that we knew did okay and and and I know beat energy luck told me that you would rap to Like m&m or another beat I need that own song. Yeah. Yeah. That's what they told me So most of all my songs like that with the real beats put up under most of them That's what I heard on youtube beats and that's how hard that's all it What make it to where that takes you there? You just be you have to be in the car riding or what the hell is going on It's the music And then where do you be listening to it and start just rapping to it in the car? That's what I thought You know, I don't right. Yeah, I know.  Yeah, it's heavy on my heart and my mind.  You know what I mean? Didn't have it like that. When days without eating I don't remember ever going without eating Oh, okay. What the heck in the projects man? You go eat.  What does that even it's the blend? Okay It's a separation these days with old and young And you don't even get one without the other. Okay, you know, so it's just a blend It's like even though they got a new way of doing things. It's the same water. They didn't you know saying Blend, you know, you know, I love one thing about you Houston niggas man. I can't lie y'all I can't say I be on these Dallas dudes a lot of time I just was talking to somebody about this Like I'll be trying to figure out like who's next who you helping How who you getting on the feature with the young people coming up, you know It seemed like y'all figure it out up there for real Like like y'all seem like y'all were it may not even be that way, but it seems like yeah Like when I talk to young easy they uplift you some terrible like these young the other people coming behind you You guys don't hesitate to be an imprint whether they paying or whatever or they got to hustle or whatever Y'all always be there for them and I commend you guys for that. Yeah, I think I got that from The projects really yeah, I think if we don't got nothing down packed We got the wheat thing.  You know, I don't even believe that um You could judge a parrot the right way without looking at the kids So I definitely don't believe That you can judge the little homies the right way without looking at the, you know The old doji's yeah, and a lot of the old geez not doing a job And you know, it ain't me the point of my Up to me the point of my butt You can see it in their faces and you know, not a once this up They a lot of them say man, I don't got no Yeah, I heard that a lot. I heard that too and they get offended when you speak up on And that's just unheard of in my error But I I can see where it comes from But I want to know but because the blueprint of what y'all have down there because everybody always said just like what he was saying It took the togetherness down there in houston But I want to see that spread amongst everybody because when we talk about Dallas I've heard the youngsters say I don't know these old geez They stay in their lane. We stay in our lane, but why can't everybody come together? I don't understand it either. It's tough. It's the same way in houston though. It don't look that way though. It's so it's so much like that It's the same way and and I think everybody else look at everybody else's and they like oh and I buy it But it'd be the same thing about Atlanta this Atlanta is so together and then we talk to the rears and all them and talk to all the people down there Say the same thing so much competition with each other man. I understand Wow First time seeing yourself on BET How was that? um It was interesting, man Man, I can't eat a lot I don't even remember too much What was the first time one on six apart? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I think it was uh Was it uh, the first time we was on BET one on six. I think yeah. Yeah, like what oh now the basement It was tigger in the basement. Okay Yeah, what did you think when you seen yourself? I should have did more You felt like you could have did something, brought it harder?  Oh, you was in there. You were only like that. That was the first time.  Me, Snell, Kylie on I think I remember that now Kylie on PJ, Chris Ward I think that's it.  Yeah So you can always think that no matter what then Right, right. I'm real hard on myself So when you went back and watched it, what was your do you think I could go back and watch it? I'm so petty I ain't watching it. I ain't watching it. You just knew you just knew you could have done better I just knew if I would have been a hundred percent me when I went in that room It would have been yummy Epic Did you it was just because because I ain't gonna lie when I hear you on the track I expect you to be bring the heart of the out of everybody.  I'm I'm being real. I'm over appreciative because you know faces like yeah, and I'm telling you even that's why I said His name because it would be you wouldn't think that a nigga would be anticipating the way because you I think you came last On that version and and and when you came a nigga waiting on it It made it like I got we got to hear what jade all go say and you didn't let us down either. You know How was that you got to break that down for me? I didn't just say that just Man, I didn't even hear a face on it before I got on it. You know, man.   So I ain't really Lyrical, uh, I don't know that but so, you know, I just you know when you give it You just said I didn't give it my best shot when I was in the basement You know when you get on that track. I was nervous in that basement I get it. I want you know me. I'm nervous because that's the first time you're doing something like that Man, I'm thinking about I watched this shit, man. And if I fumbled How embarrassing that would be so I guess I just I want you know, I was a little nervous on the formula Wow, I did not want to fumble So you've been back on bt after that right because you went to one of the shows or a show and stuff like that But you've never done anything like that again live on bt No, but they don't have too much in there no more. You know, they don't have the The shows the basement gone one of six down. They need to bring out that back because that was fun I remember that I was hoping so But then if he started something new it's almost like you'd want him to not bring that back But do something totally different because you don't want to make it feel like he's trying to copy them It ain't too much you can do If you got any kind of competition against bt, I think you're gonna I'm gonna be hard to win Yeah, that's true. They say that about podcast That's right. I watch my podcast. Yeah, because I really need a free style today. I ain't gonna play with you I really need something. I'm gonna put something on we're gonna put them earphones over to get out of here I don't do I Really I'm gonna be hundreds which I gotta have a jay. Who y'all favorite podcast me? I'm saying I saw What now if I if I'm gonna watch one, let me see who it would be If I'm gonna watch a podcast I mean, I ain't gonna lie. I like I like the interaction of like I like 85 South Like because you know, they've been on here. They be coming on my show So, I mean and it not for that reason but then they some brothers like me we country niggas So at the end of the day, I think that's why it means when I watched him It means like like I could see myself in the whole situation because they might say anything They might tell us something that would happen in the country and then being a country niggas. I can relate to it Or if Rick Ross get up and walk walk out the set and don't come back stuff like that. That's hilarious to me And then I'm in here checking them about it on here. Me and Carlos.   If anybody walk off, you know, we just going man. I'm gonna be honest with you I do this why they say we And I think he just I really think Rick Ross I think he really listen I think he really said he's restroom and I think he was he got so how he just forgot he was dealing podcast You know, I think it just I got to go get this money I got to go get this money nigga.  Yeah And I think I had Rory Yeah, Rory that was that was down on 43. I believe yeah, that's the club called 43 Yeah, it was it was Bawana back in the day. He's been on here The owner I know all in my uncle built that club meaning, you know, help build it Do he know that that was my cousin? I don't I don't I don't think we talked about that. I'm not gonna lie to you ever but Uh, but I guarantee you it's been a lot of stuff going down there, but that's uh I told him he the only dude that I know That had Millie Jackson and mo three Y'all don't hear me Nigga you had Millie Jackson and mo three and mo three you had Millie Jackson Two-light crew and mo three, you know, some people don't even know who Millie Jackson is. That's crazy So it's like so but but that had to be a hard one for you. Were you down there when that happened? I got I came immediately You came down to the country Man, do you know I hated that whole city for a long time? I can imagine Man How did you get through it though, jadon? I ain't no big you never got over I love the city, you know Marshall, yeah, I know exactly Man That was too deep.  He missed him Females like him. Yeah, and I guess he had talked to one female her dude Came over and that's how That's where it happened.  I I fought in there. Now. He said that's what we've done down there But it usually just is a scrap. That's right. Yeah, it usually just was a scrap Yeah, but for you, you know to go back home. It had to be a long ride back to houston man, man say I mean my mama couldn't even you know How old were you this time now when all this happened? Like in your 20s. No, I was way. He was younger than that. Yeah. Oh, okay I start going to the club when I was 11. Mm-hmm. You know I'm saying like that. Yeah, that's how I go down down there. Yeah, that's I'm talking about country living. Yeah, you want to see no cars until you hit a certain back street? And it'd be all Yeah Yeah, it's carnag. That's where it's at. Yeah, that's exactly what it is But at the end of the day just I thought about that I said I was gonna ask you about that on the show Because I know that that he was so close to you.  Yeah, my cousin. Yeah And you know, you know, bearer Anita's husband And you remember we went over there. I sold him some stuff. I just you know, I took stuff home I talked to him went right for he passed the clothing I would go down there and I'm gonna stop by there and they get him some shoes some Whatever they need man, because that's my people So I was always gonna go there.  I always go home. I even had a store in marshal for a little bit But I would always take something down there for my people, bro No, not like that There was everything that's name brand and that's really nice. And I'm all close to so I'm all close You better go to the Walmart But when you think about bearer, I want to I want to share some just just just tell a bear story, you know, like like Wrapping with him or just hearing him.  So, you know His mama and my mama was so close It's to the point where everything since he was a baby You know, we've been around each other. So we're bad You know, just Even him telling me he want to wrap it in him for the first time Just it was all amazing to me, you know, I'm like, dang, you can really rap, you know And he used to trip me out. I just can't believe he did. That's crazy. Yeah.   You're already good Shit that makes me want to Yeah, I remember I remember man. Um, I couldn't believe it. Couldn't believe it.  Yeah, maddie. Yeah. Yeah But we're losing these people that are been that have been so close to you and they're not old. These are young people How how does that mentally affect you and your life? I don't know. I don't know All I all I know is Most most of the time I'll sit back a year from, you know A situation and say down Look how it affected you While i'm living it sometimes you can't see it, but I go three four years Without wanting to be around nobody Everybody being biggest problem with me is my phone. They're like, well, you'll see it fall I don't know when that started happening. It's not on purpose. I'm not looking at it. It's just like I got so disconnected With phones and people and it was just like I don't know. I got I got to ask you about mug man I got to ask you about it because you did that song, right? But the song when I listen to it is like you really like angry About so man forever, you know what I mean?  Do you really pray for me?  This just gave me chills mug when probably Probably A week before he died You know, he was just going through it. You know what I mean? Mentally. I ain't no the answer I was like, man, bro. I wish it was something I could do We best friends whatever you going through is in your head though So it is like it's nothing I could do because it's in your head for sure and he said you can pray And I don't remember what I said You know asked my answer to him, but it was a but before Excuse that blew my mind. So did you did you get to pray for him? You didn't pray Probably did But I said something but And you don't like that part. I didn't know that I got you should have prayed right then and then stop pulled over I didn't know it was that dangerous Yeah, yeah, and then mug ain't Yeah, the thing that type he not to type That you would think would kill itself. So, you know, yeah, and I know you you you basically Try to figure it out with him for you to even be asking those type of questions. You know what I'm saying You know the word say It talks about uh casting down imagination and every high thought that are every high thing that brings us up against the knowledge of god You know what I mean?   I can believe that that's why I want people to stop for a second and really, you know Do a mental check so to say I don't think I do that enough I really believe that I I'm terminated in my head sometimes You know, it was a time just recently If I fall asleep and have a dream I got killed Every single time it was no other dream You know, and it was crazy to me because I was thinking Like trying to make sense of something like this It's hard you can't understand Like, you know, sometimes you try to figure out what is trying to be said But it ain't nothing you can think but just like at Jamaica Um, we always said dream don't walk straight Me and like a lot of times when we dream about things that don't always happen exactly how we Dream it is just just like in the bible Jesus spoke in parables He never just told you exactly this is what it's going to be by the law So even whenever I you know hear people talk about dreams I said there's a meaning behind it every dream has a meaning. It might not even be for you You know what I mean? So don't take it to heart and feel like some people will do like what she said like Dream that and be like, oh my god.    It ain't it ain't gonna take it away at all to smile cushion. Yeah, so what's the answer then? When it gets your pump, but That's what you're gonna say at the end of all that and some people that's they can't go no further When they when they done did all the drugging they can do and they done did all it's still no answer Some people can't go no further. Yeah, you know, that's real I don't believe that was my partner problem when he killed himself But you know, I done dealt with a lot of suicide. Yeah And most of them feel like they did everything they could do tunnel vision. Yeah, they really feel like any Actually, you can give them they didn't win a And they can't take it no more. I can't see myself doing to myself I think the answer is just putting all your trust in god and say, you know god Whatever you have for my life. That's what I'm I'm put all my trust in you because I don't know and you ain't telling me So guess what? I'm just gonna walk by faith And do everything right according to as much as I can And keep it pushing like why you gonna stress over something you can't stress over something that you can't control Some people don't even know they can talk to go out like that though. That's a whole challenge opening up Being able to open up like that it because it's not easy, you know, I mean like If you think about it a lot of times a bruh if you ain't even You know, it's a place where you got to hit rock bottom or you got to I always call it your three days of dying like like You got to go through this spot where nobody can help you You see what I'm saying and all to even touch or either get, you know The even touch of feel that spot where you talk about where you can start to change that ain't even to change That's the place where you just turn in the curve You see what I'm saying you that's that's just the start of I didn't mean to do that a couple times. Yeah, but when you said that um Some people don't even know that they can pray When did you started praying before every show? You know, I'm from east Texas, you know, I'm from Houston east Texas And if they don't do nothing else, they're gonna Pray pray and go to church. They go, you know, so me Coming up I always knew God was down And I always felt like I had some kind of personal relationship As I got older he was showing me Like he started showing me showing me but when he took my talent from That did that that's when you started doing that and I say man, that's crazy Because you know, we hear that our parents used to threaten us say, you know, I brought you in the world I could take you out You know, but when God took my talent when I couldn't rap That's just like him taking my ability to eat. Yeah, I literally can't eat. Yeah That's like unprecedented. No, I get it. I get it. How did you feel when um when when Snoop dog, how did snoop dog end up jumping on that remix man? Yeah, he just did it incentive. He just did it incentive. He got to be the realest kind of no Explain to me how that day went for you. You know, I'll be trying to get there man. My mom was blown Which I know it was this man did a core a new chorus on He did two verses. Wow And he talked for almost five minutes on Show love man jay. That's my brother from another mother and all this and I never met But he showed love man pass. That's favor, bro. Yeah, that's pass. You know favor ain't fair Yeah, thank but so and and you just you didn't even see that coming No clue How did he get it to you though? Through somebody that he connected with when his family remember to stay out here. Oh, and he was like, I'm He remember jay It's my Well, how was your day going though? Well, did it break the ice? I mean did it break? I can't remember nothing I just remember it changed the motor thing It threw me for a little this snoop.  Yeah. Thank you for always that that whole project was dope. You you know that that one there That's what you mentioned. He takes this listen that whole project was dope, bro Like even the part I think you did a mama song like a pot your eyes Man, yeah, yeah, yeah, you did that song and I was like man because I you know I I lost my mom, you know early on so a lot of time when I would with with would hear that kind of stuff It gave me it strengthened me. You know what I'm saying. I made you feel better. She made you feel better No, no, no, no, no, no I already know because I know who god is bro like that when when she she loved god So that made me start searching. Well, I didn't really believe in god like that I mean it made me go research it and that made me go on a venture to where I knew he was real So when I that's what gave me comfort because I right now, you know, he really yeah, yeah for sure But but during that time when she passed away. I had to go find that I couldn't just believe her because I was like, man, she ain't educated enough to know what you know about god But I gotta go find it just real I might be a muslim, you know, I ain't gonna not see that's how I was thinking But when I started researching the book and started looking through all the scrolls It's real. I couldn't figure out nothing wrong. It was all right I ain't found a flaw yet. Yeah, it was all right. So That's the that the one thing who is that right there? Let's talk about it. Hey, okay I just wanted them to see this before I pour it up already. Yeah, this is just dial it one of Dallas own a k That's my little brother, man. Shout out to a k man. Um, let's talk a little bit about associates, man Let's talk about it. I mean you man. I'm telling you I could keep going with you all day because because I love your music Yeah, associates was something to where Tell me just a little bit of how that even came together. That's how some doing, you know, um Slim man, some of them brothers, you know, I mean, so, you know Yeah, I already know When he hear something What I sound good on man.  Yeah So, you know, and again when I heard The beat I didn't hear him his verse of zero verse. I just heard the chorus, you know, man Yeah, you had the hardest verse for me on that Appreciate that's just my opinion, but it's it's biased. So I you know, I got certain things I'm looking for that other niggaz ain't looking for so it's biased. You know what I'm saying but but I definitely know that like I said, it's it's The east Texas ties it put you in a different place for me and the fact that you really rapping like it's not a game You know I'm saying so them you ain't got to do them go a little bit and it's gonna be over for any For me, you know what I'm saying? So it's not I'm biased. You know what I'm saying? Man, what y'all thought about my og pokeman?  I'm one of them wishes Like I got texts in my phone Where I didn't text this man trying to get him on the show when I'm in houston or I go through renetta Or I go through this person. I got all them texts where or I talked to ld man I need to get him man I need to get him and then that happened and then esg hit me up at three in the morning like e Big boy. Did I say what? You see what I'm saying now. I'm like, dang. I ain't get the interview. I wish I could have got to just talk to the man The thing that people don't understand is and you know, I'm glad I'm in this industry, but People who are actors entertainers anybody that's um on the camera They're leaving something for their kids these your children your children children can always pull up this interview always pull up all the movies all the Entertainment all the performances. They have something to hold on to a person who is not doing this I wish I had something of my grandmother I can only remember certain things in my head But she wasn't living that life. Yeah, you just said You just said it too because I sure wish I could go watch a little Me too. Oh my mom right. I don't have nothing.  Your memory can only go so far Can't even fit in the water Me too. Me. You got the same thing going. No trip. I got saved. I promise you Anytime you start looking in your wallet and you trying to hold on to memories You'll find stuff like this. You see the top of that picture Look at the top of these pictures. These pictures. Look out. Look how my pictures look. That's crazy Trying to hold on to something Trying to hold on It's uh, this was in see this was in jealousy. See hold it on Yes, sir. And that's your mom And my dad, let me see man. And that's an old picture too. You don't find them like that no more Let me tell you what you do with stuff like this is how I think you're going to get multiple copies because if anything ever happened You're going to be sick as ever if you lose this picture So you got to get $50 the laminated Yeah, laminated So protected from water and all the different damages and stuff like that when you hold something that there You better do it and upload it to the cloud.  That's the best way to hold on to these things. You always have it with you. That's a picture boy That's that's in the country. I'll be mad.  I knew I was gonna get it It's certain ones. I know God gonna line up for me. We talked to yeah, but I already know I just don't know how but I know I'm like, I'm good over there I never got impatient because I know already God the universe gonna line it up, man You know what I'm saying? So thank you for coming on the show I used to come to you, man. Man, I know and I've been anxious to get you in this. I was like, man, I gotta get my boy J. Don't I? I said, what was I'm talking about? I promise. I'll never do anything I know. I know that. How um, how um, how were you and your mom passed away? She's still here. She's still here. Okay, but she had kidney problems and you know, right now She's going through like dementia is so bad. Sometimes she don't remember me Really? Yeah, my grandfather had that but I was I was a kid. So for me was funny It was fun because I didn't know no better because I was the only one who he remembered But I think he was trying to remember my mom But I think it came on me But I was like, oh he didn't want to deal with nobody because he was an aggressive sometimes with his dementia Exactly like if she don't remember you or don't know you He would fight you he'd want to fight you and he was older like 70 something I could I was the only one who could go and say come on grandpa. Come on. Let's go and he would just go with me anywhere But nobody else could do that Exactly as a kid. I would I loved it. Wow. I mean I'm telling you right now. You got a value the time you have with your loved ones, bro That's all the deals to it. You know what I'm saying like I get mad. I don't play bro. Like if you disrespect and I ain't gonna say no name But it's been certain people if you say something about your mama or something like that I can't deal with that bro. That mess with me I'm like, hey, I don't know what happened to make me understand. I can't understand that at all I don't care if you could be a crackhead or anything. You know, you better never disrespect.  I grew up believing in that, you know You gotta I never was too far the daddies But you didn't play with mama You you got to do something for me You got to tell me about that that that last project with uh big pokey Just so just down memory lane like how was it working with him doing that project? Easy easy Easy me and pokey, you know, we always told each other about he say I'm his favorite And I always let him know he's my favorite. So when the beat dropped sit It's whoever going there first and he don't write either He right, but I don't know his I haven't seen him right. So I think he's prepared Okay for when we went in there, you know, I ain't seen right But uh That dude every man.  I never heard any of that man pokey was just he was like The rig rose tight At that era though in that time And it blew my mind. What was your favorite song on that on that whole project Do I got a favorite Something you'll play over and over I play it all the way through. There'll go. I'll go go I mean If we trade your noggin into the point of mind boggling. Yeah. Yeah, that was right.  I think I knew it was more In the dope corner in my yard Yeah, but you know what I wonder because you know sometimes like before he passed away Before he passed away This one might have been the one that you was listening to the most but after he passed away There might be another one that might be more that you listen to more because whether he was or not one more Or because of what he said in that song. I think it was pressure The streets been plucking but the pressure. Yeah, that's the one after was uh, yeah when he died.  Oh my god on my way to Houston They called me Unbelievable I had just talked to him and told him My show is mine over before yours. I'm gonna come around You know what I mean? Yeah. Yeah When I got the call it was all Screaming and hollering So it was happening right then and there. Yeah at that very moment at that very moment, right But then let me ask you a question. How um Because when we heard about it Well, he heard about it way longer before I even got up. Yes, he was asleep But by the time I got up out of my bed And I heard about it was all over social media That was a bad how do you feel about social media and the fact that they can Film that and put it all over for everybody. See because to me in my head I'm like, there's probably some family members who don't even haven't heard about it yet and to see that Yeah, I think it's the price It come with it come with the territory because all the reason why one Is angry With this situation because y'all was recording him performing. Yeah. Yeah, and you having to die, right? So y'all gonna be recording his performance But it's still people who wouldn't be recording at all and they see that and then they'll come over there for You know, I don't know what make this that's some of the best entertainment. Yeah, I never I wouldn't be sure I couldn't do it. I Got too much respect and love for for you know, for him and his family It is different when you know that it could be you he could be anybody How was my daughter feel? How would my wife feel? Then, you know, you got people want to say he was on these drugs and I That's the crazy people my his wife was with him. She was there. She was there. Oh, dang How is she handling that because to see that on in person? It's totally different man.  I'm just I you know, I like to say I wanted to interview him He was a just a talent, bro. Just a just a dope dude. It's just a realist, bro And I just was like dang man. I couldn't I couldn't fathom it man It's something you a leader in the in the city, bro Like and I I remember and and not trying to bring up Ole Miss But just I remember how you was vocal when when the tray and zero thing happened You went you went crazy about it because I felt like you was connected to both of them And it was frustrating to you and that's why you were speaking. I don't know but in my mind I'll be trying to figure this stuff out. Now you you're in the nail on the head Everybody this our business. I mean everybody in the city know That me and Trey You know probably, you know the two closest When they come to you know, you know but you know I'm just me personally when I'm seeing I'm so far Texas in the city I came up on the Pimpsy Yeah, you know, I mean knocking those down So, you know, I'm just so far us to be together. That's just man That was a major week For the city too. You know, it was a lot of big things going on and it just you know I I can't stand the city made it I couldn't when I seen any anything Like that would have shook me but them two I just really uh You know, that'll be one of the best things can happen in Houston If them two come back together, do you think it might be possible though anything possible anything I come from the bottom up. You know, I mean the bottom of the bottom. Yeah I'm the last person to Tell you something that's impossible Everything that's happening or not was impossible. You know, man Yeah, I I remember when you got when you were being when slim with this and y'all all of y'all And and yeah, I remember and and I was like, hi, this gonna work out because I know the nigga even in his verses.   I can't believe he didn't play with me.  So when you do here, you know, because we're real family. Yeah, like your mama Y'all at each other's house is like I I get it. It's different. Yeah, it's my brother. Your sister eat at the same bowl.  Yeah And he did it. So that made me say yeah What when you was in that sale what you were thinking like what?  I'm thinking like boy, I can't wait You know But see this was what people don't know Slim I don't care what the word think about some now That nigga that man when he was rapping man when we was coming up He was the first one who? Swiss like showed me something different with the rap gang Like watching him, you know, I mean like we're coming up This swish house.   Listen, they may not say this, right? But when you got the north side our era because you know, we started Swiss house Let's throw actually When you talk about the north side era None from from All the outsprings of it to the beginning us the beginning Man, none of it would have went nowhere if someone rapping like that It was his rapping that basically I don't I said we wouldn't we all got telling we wouldn't I don't know what would happen I'm saying Reality is the way it did happen. It happened.   I'm on that song See that they don't know as you talk about the beginning if you were talking about the real song Yeah, you was on that one. It's me symptoms. Little mario. You know what I mean? We rapping on it.  They took they took simpers Off of that and then they put a real beat mr.  Wow, but if you talking about the original, you know, I mean I'm on that. Oh, yes. It's a we floored on that. I'm a whole beat I mean slim and it go beast I don't care. Nobody say from the north to the south side east to the west Back then that young dude blew out my he switched the game. He showed us you better get serious Because I'm feeling how Okay, how did you what did you think about it and I because I'll I'll interview slim one day But like what did you think about it when he signed over to Pharrell and did that venture?  I'm coming. I'm in the pillow chair. I'm coming home seeing I'm like, that's for real.  I don't learn the scene without the scene Now if you ask me, I feel like his fan base at that time Now I'm only saying this because now I know and everything transpired Your fan base didn't want that Your fan base didn't want to switch up.  That's what your fans want to tell me to me. This is my personal opinion. I get it.  Let's be real. I'm just being real to not me I can't talk about what everybody else say. Oh, that was good.  I wanted that just like if I was listening to pimp and I understood when pimp said that about Big pimping and it sounded different because I would use to that underground grip So it was two uh boss of all bosses. There was two of them. Yeah, first one that came out freestyle. Yeah Is that not possible? I'm thinking about the uh, his first album of Pharrell. It's two that they get leaked to something Yeah, and it came up with different songs only the first one was hard to the most Both of them was hard. Both of them was hard. No, I mean But he didn't connect to his his main fan base, but of course Just think about You coming in the game you have If Pharrell giving you advice Man, I think you ought to go this way. Who gonna say no, I think No, I think I'd have stayed in this lane. No, I could say that I didn't I wasn't on it like I going at that other but I understood why he did what he done Yeah, I understood the bigger picture.  You remember on that cd. He had Dr Yo, that's different. You had dr. J on this. You know what I mean?  Yeah, yeah I'm gonna be real man. Like like that whole time man. Like I'm gonna be real. I I love slim bruh. Anyway, the music he done even to this day slim gonna give us something, you know what I'm saying But I ain't a lot.  I'm this I'm that for him to still be able to maneuver Like they're wrapping in your fan base. That's right.  Well, okay. Go ahead. I thought what she wanted questions She's like get back What is your biggest pet peeve about the music industry today? Oh I got so many Narrow down you can do too. I say Man, that's a good question The main one probably is the way they can And I ain't I ain't no hate them. I mean But now you can afford to show the rubs and the handshakes And and just to get them connected with your fan base and your people you can avoid all is not just how for Social media.  I mean, but you don't know none of the history Right now, I'll guarantee you most of the young artists In Dallas, they're not trying to go get no verse from the row or trying to You know mess with done chief and you know, I don't understand why yeah But it's it's it's something happening with Where it's a separation With us and I think you got a lot to do with the internet Yeah, yeah, yeah, no, no, I know I got a lot That is your issue a lot of times it was watered down a lot of times the essence The essence of what we do is kind of even like the writer strike right now in Hollywood Like it's a lot going on when you deal with it Even the music when it first happened you had napsed in all that stuff All this stuff just pretty much took away from the essence of who we are bruh and what we do That's what you're really seeing. Yeah, man. It was a time man them dj conventions The artists and the dj is connected like we used to go to the convention and you know nowadays You got these artists don't even see the importance of Of a dj don't need to see the importance of a You know, I mean our interviewing with with you know They they won't even do them. You know, I mean you got some movies who will say to their fans nowadays I don't take pictures, you know You know I really think like like It's something to where If you maneuver correctly, that's why I was telling my little kiki if you put it in the right way to where you make them respect it And it's hard to keep it from because once you put it on youtube But once you they go share it everywhere it ain't like like I was really upset with with houston because They start being like everybody else They had the screw tape and they had the regular tape when this was going on and they was trying to be like something I was really upset about that, bro. Me too. I'm being real. I've seen that nigga. I'm watch. I'm a hustler So I'm looking at the double up the bump up pop But I'm looking at like Yeah, I'm like it seemed like they was ready to get away from it trying to be like the You know every masses instead of instead of holding true to what they were doing because they were killing the game We got our own lanes. Yeah. Yeah, just like Texas. We have our own legends. We have our own You know Thing, you know, and I hate that A lot of these people right now in the game. I hate the fact that They are right with separating the officers. It's like more beneficial To them or something to have them separated You know, even with with the drill Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah You get signed quick if you start doing that and all you gotta do is really kid somebody and then they'll come get you Ain't that crazy?  I believe if y'all say this is a real drill It's true. They feel like y'all did that research academic. Yeah Oh, yeah, he did true.  That's crazy I'm gonna ask you about uh, nipsey, man. Did you have some I'm gonna ask you about nipsey hustle, man He tweeted about you. It's my brother. I mean like like how big was that like and then I know you did the prayer You know when he passed away, but just that tweet and just the way y'all in a mingle. What was that? How was that? What is that? Give me some details. I'm gonna tell you how We'll make it even more crazy. I wouldn't know nipsey if it wasn't for mug. Really? Yeah, they went to elementary together mug Stayed on sloshing, you know mug and nip went to elementary school. Okay. I didn't even know that. Yeah, you know Mother daddy was in the service. So When he based the base they Yeah, he was out there.  I knew that We under attack Yeah, I knew it man. I kicked him in the face. Yeah after he gets shot You know that that was crazy, man I took my wife over there Not after he passed away not when they put all that stuff in the parking lot We went over there before that we would go frequent that shop because we have a shop This shop been here for a long time. So him being a person who owned a business And on that block I want to see my kids working here So I went seeing his family his daddy working there black sam in there. I go over there My brother one made me go.    You know what I'm saying on the music I was messing when he was like, you gonna see you gonna see he was not trying to get the marathon ready Then it's like 2010 2010 he was working on that and then showed me though He brought because when I went over to his shop, I was so impressed with the way he laid it out It was beautiful in there. I still got the pictures on my phone Like I never took them off like when I was going when he first setting up and he got a hell of a business mile I remember when he told me man, he was like, man I can't wait to get 5,000 a show Really? Mm-hmm We had just performed the house of blues and we went to uh He asked me how much I was getting at that time of show. I was like five right. She said that's all I don't make them He says over Say well, it's like it he he blew past that I think a pilot was getting 60 70 exactly But I'm saying he but at that time that's how that's how I don't wait no And y'all had some hell of a conversation then if y'all talking about that. He just yeah, man, man You still my Last thing I remember him telling me over the phone He was like, man This is us. It's all for us He was saying like I'm here now I'm what we want to be He was like, man They lied to us.  That's what he was telling me. Wow. He was But I'm knowing what he was saying from our conversation. Just know, you know, I'm knowing he was saying What he thought what I think How high it's gonna be and how I look up there like we gonna be out of place. He was letting me know now We the one supposed to be here. That's all man. That's hard and for you and him to For you and him to have a relationship where you felt that comfortable to pick up that phone and call you and talk to you about different things Really about Insight is really what you what you say. It's insight. That's all we talked about. That's hard, man Shad shad that knowledge with each other. That's all we talked about. We talked He was telling me about um, when he started eating right now Oh, yeah, with dr. Save it.  He was so happy Yeah What would you say is your biggest accomplishment to date? my kids How many you have three three well, I got four my daughter in heaven. Oh That's it. So How was she when she passed when she came into the world? Okay complications Feel like she was here forever Wow You see that's why I tell people all the time when I talk about this is something I came up with myself during covid but I tell people um When you're born in this in this world You're born at a job, right and you got to do god's bid and whenever you're done He'll take you away. That's how I look on death.  I said You know the job They probably could have touched the mama life could have changed the daddy life could have changed the nurse's life could have changed Friends who've seen that mama carried that baby changed her life You know what I mean, do that one all of that through that one child And I've always said that you know because people always come back anytime talking about god and trying to inspire people They come back. So what about this? What about that? Because people are so Engulfed in their rage and hatred because of because of something that they asked god for and he didn't deliver it So I don't remember being mad at god a lot too in my life until I realized I just I know I know god real I'm talking about when I say that I don't say that like like I think I was one of the people who had to be proved to You know, I don't think I'll still be strong with god like I am if I didn't know, you know I don't even believe no more. I don't even had to like I know I mean I don't even know man.  They don't even think about it. It happens seamlessly You see what I'm saying? So that's the part right there where I'll be trying to tap into to give me the strength I need to keep going You know, I'm saying that part right there make me push all the other problems I caught so-called have out the way I don't think about me no more when I look at my 15 year old son When I think about my my my 30 year old son when I think about my daughter They said brown Like those are the things that make me keep going is tapping into that place where it ain't about me no more I ain't for me to still be here. Yeah, I've been at that place. No, it ain't about me at all Mm-hmm. Sometimes it feel Sometimes it can feel selfish to yourself. You know, what? It is what it is. Man. That's my reality What's the last no skip album that you have ever listened to? Good question the last one Didn't skip not one song Been that long. Yeah the last one I don't want to be mistaken man. I'm thinking it's american gangsta soundtrack Hmm wow, that's a while. That's a long time ago. Yeah, but uh, we ain't wind it off I used to have to fix straight through But why have there not been any lately? Is that people not making good music like that? I don't think I think they're thinking smart for them and business for them And and if they thinking about They business I don't think they feel like they had to but no, I I'm I'm not against this new era You're not at all. No kind of way. I'm an og and I honestly believe That my only job is for them. You know what I mean? Yeah, but this is what I will say I can't stand To hear people in my era You know, I mean feel like if they're gonna drop some music Now that they got a sound like now.  That's what I'm expecting to hear some of this You know, I mean so my mind yeah The best thing going on in this era to me is The money went down That's real. These little dudes is running the numbers of whether we like it whether we don't like their music They not messing up the game From them from the business point However, I don't know what this gonna do later on Because you don't know you're not learning nothing.  Hell, yeah, you see what I'm saying like these are stories I got so much of that. You know what I mean? I just um Man, all I know is this sad, right? Man, I like know it's pain like out man. Listen All my people did man.  I love it. Um, you know, and and to be really good relentless too Oh, yeah, baby, make sure you focus to see him from because I'm just saying he's so relentless It might be I have him tomorrow No, we're about to get into you with something she said now Never to I'll put more in there if you want it. Hey, eat them. They thought man. I was I thought I was slipping He say see y'all run the lip. I say look we're getting there. Don't worry about we straight. Everything's gonna be all right Make sure we get there I'm picking everything out. We're gonna be together. Yeah, but I just like I said You you got you you something different, you know what I'm saying and you know One thing good about the internet is You can be anywhere at any time once you drop something you drop it in the right way If you hit it can hit somewhere in europe and you don't even know why you see what I'm saying That's the best. I think that's the bonus. It's got his bonuses where we didn't have that opportunity We had to go through somebody to make that kind of thing. This is the thing with j-dog though See, this is what I like to call what we starting out right now this like the The second leg third leg of his career, you know what I'm saying? He don't have a big body of work Just yet battery j-dog got behind behind tent one behind tent two Features here, you know mix tapes here stuff like that, but Man It's uh really in his prime of his career. Everybody still want him everybody. Yeah, you know, I've uh had 39 Calls for features in three days and he's all the younger one. So I want to touch back on what y'all were saying earlier When y'all were saying the uh, the the youth never to tap in there with those.   You know What I'm saying like you said, you know since 16 he figured it out full here running and ain't stopped No, I'm big. No, slow down whatever he whatever he figured out whatever he figured out man If he figured it out and I think that's the whole game But then also the the internet makes it to where it is not too late for anybody If you you guys man like people like you man I'm telling them what you could do and at the end of the day the internet It also brings up a thing where people get to see you more like now if you figure that part out I mean, I got people like country one of these people that's telling me they making $480,000 a month just off internet, bro Yeah, I'm just off the that ain't even that ain't even they don't even do music They still starving. Did you hear what I just said? They don't even do music just to see a day in the life a jato Could cause havoc on the internet. I'm putting everything together. You see what I'm saying They don't see it if they see it you remember when them little CDs Yeah, you can see you were like, oh, yeah I'm the same way and it's crazy because I ain't I ain't no y'all selected No, I mean, but I sometimes I be wanting to see it to You know, I understand them man Not days not days they didn't they do got a lot of Bonuses, you know, I seen the little dude What was his name? Yachty? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I seen the interview.  How do you not know a part? But he was telling the truth. Yeah, so I gotta ask you and I know you hear now, but I gotta ask you about, um Just p.m. See because I said I'm gonna go back to that man Like g like let's talk about that like give me a everybody give me a p.m. C story in here You know, I'm saying I gotta hear like like you you you mentioned knocking doors down earlier I was like, man, I wish I get jade all the golf on there knocking those down be runtime. That'll be hard I'll be over. Thanks You know, that'll be hard But but like how did you feel when you heard that and knew what he was trying to do? Or did you think like that lame or what man when I first heard the song I was laughing hard Cuz you know, um That was both That was some bold statements he was saying.  Yeah, I mean When you say Like they were about two years old Wow White people looking at us that were happy Hey When I first heard I couldn't believe my What this nigga doing man, I'm like, you're gonna chill out Don't come see you I was like, man, ain't you not even from Houston? Ain't got personal Hit my head. I was like Why nobody from Houston where the boys did this? That's hard. Now. That's something to think about Then it flipped.  Yeah You know what I mean? Yeah, we ain't never looked at pimpsie Like no gangster. No, no coming up. I mean, we looked at him like the player the player. Yeah Many did that at first. I was like me being just ignorant.  And then I was like, that's amazing you took Look, you had to be the hottest thing going when you were free Everybody was pimpsie home pimpsie home.  And you know, and it was probably the first one you ever seen. That's real You know, I mean, so when he came home the momentum and all that To direct that to fixing Houston problem. That's when I started looking at that scenario. I was like, wow This nigga amazing and it can happen.  You see the niggas start coming together They ain't have no choice man. I see the picture. You remember the picture? You remember the picture? You remember the picture? I don't know standing in the, in the, yeah, yeah at the ranch. I mean, when I seen it, I say damn pimpsie You really ahead of your time Because pimpsie is like one of my favorite person personality period but but I'll be so I'll be when I'm riding jamming them.  It's just like the nigga you say But it's like with him. He's so I think Man, I mean one of one of the rad moments with me and him that I remember is him or The way you used to talk to me on the phone. Okay.  It's like you don't get to come and say back He's just there's a one way to discuss He just talking to me. He's gonna give you everything you need to tell you Even with the ride on phones.  That's what I want.  You just listen to that man was having a conversation with me one time And out the blue he flipped the whole conversation It was like, yeah, masterpiece.   What did you say? You just listen. You just listen Every time I'd have never tried to say words with pimp been cut off So you just listen to it every time What did he say after he said that he just said that 11 alone and went right back But he threw that in there.  You know what I mean? Really? Yeah, just all he I don't know if you ever heard of an artist out of the city called Duke gutter No, I ain't heard of Duke gutter where he from third one. He a street legend and he a rapper too.   I won't story. You got to hear it.  He damned about to cry next to me Yeah, yeah, I mean it's just just down to like pimp and today's society. They call that bipolar man, how would when you think about pimp and I asked these questions all the time before it's just producing like Uh, what was one of the songs that when you listen to it? You're like, damn, he put that together, right? One day you hear that. Oh, go on. I can't believe I didn't talk to running spills. I didn't talk to that whole I was talking to all of them now. I talked to bud. I don't know how I didn't talk to his three two amp-amp But boy, hey, that song is so cold. Do you know going up jamming pimp? I had to be at least damn near 20 or my late teens for show When I realized that he was singing The beat the choruses During the beats and that rapper that I didn't even know that was that they're going to be When I seen it with my own eyes That's sugar. I couldn't believe I was even locked up with pimp. You know what I mean? Really? But we was in separate cells, you know But you were on a terry unit? No, I was in a county.  I'm divorced now when I got married That's the song I got married to Which one can't let nobody hold you The ever hold me And I'm coming down You just remember that Told I was gonna get married to this I don't know it ain't got no words to do with nothing That's that that lute the band drop remix Yeah, yeah, yeah, you remix that over and you wrote that you know, I'm a older cat I'm thinking about where it comes from. I think redone it is the king of redoing Damn, the all the things he done He redo ticket from some old school people don't know. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah Tell me something good, man. When I first heard that nigga Tell me something. Whoo It was slow down. It wasn't like I told bun that in the interview I said it wasn't like and that ain't came out yet But I told him I say that first initial one It was I don't know if the cassette was going slow But that whole was slow like it was like one with a trigger two with a back It was like slower the nice faster when you look at he's like that ain't the reason for I know it Ain't because I remember what I heard that day. Yeah, they spent that whole I didn't think they thought it was gonna be a radio. That old hit hard boy. God that day He did diamonds up against the wall He did that beat he did all diamonds up against that board that nigga was saying that whole wasn't it? What's that song on drop? What's the song he did when he first came home? It's on pimpleation.   It's just like even to this day. Ain't nobody else do that Do that like never seen you'll never see it again. It's it's different, bro That nigga was doing that and ain't nobody else done. That's why I eat my number one all time Ain't gonna lie like even I love pop don't get it twisted But when people come on it, they already know I'm gonna tell them The pimp thing it shut the whole that's the whole show really like that without that this show I told bun that this show wouldn't even been working wouldn't have worked Because I'm in check and I love the nigga that and that's why bobo came through that why all this stuff happened Steve bellows all the stuff all the people mr. Lee all that was me trying to uh klc Getting them pimp stories and all I was doing you're every nigga the new pimp. I'm on the face man. Let me get this All I was doing that uh, what was that pulling up and uh my Bentley I mean, yeah, the car. He had a car wreck like all these stories. I put all the most together. That's boss talk Man, you know Then there's some crazy in this house, right? You got to go to sleep at a certain time. We're like when he goes. I heard that everybody go to sleep I don't got to meet him, you know, but uh, he don't the tv's gonna go out. He'll cut it. That's what old folks do Like go out everything go out. Yeah Bro, that's no that's grandma grandma do it like that think about it. You go for grandma how she said it down All the way down pimp is a real dude. I ain't lying It's a lot of he got a lot of ways that'll make people question I guarantee you if they keep questioning come back to the science Man, you know a lot of people talk about the jay-z and all of the stuff he said I just had toe down on here. He said some stuff.  Yeah He came down to see me so that boy's still working and boy, you know, they they it's in here Then boy gonna get to it. You know I was real close with the manager, uh, road manager, uh, mike moe. Okay. Okay. You're mike moe close I'm about 15 years. Okay. You talking about core more and more. Yeah. Yeah, that that's how you in here That's how you knew. Well, I didn't meet pimp Mike, but every time I was in the students all, you know, mike moe talked about Mike moe, you know, what's that core that's core moe that I talked to him on the phone one day He's supposed to be coming on boss talk. I don't know if you're gonna come What's up the mike the other day and uh, I've been trying to get core I mean the cow core trying to get one of pimp c store. I don't need but one. Give me one niggle So Jato man, like like what what's next man? Like these projects. I know your manager. You got new management now That's what we're doing. Like so so how long you guys know each other y'all knew each other already Yeah, I mean like we got connection through bloodlines like I will I will We've been saying people. Okay, so I'll be the same and that and it fits. Yeah, it fits. You know, like me and me and Watts, you know, been rocking for about About 15 plus Michael. Yeah, Michael. Shout out. Shout out, Mike. What man was being helped to help for about the last You know together about 15 16 years, you know Who been promoting, you know, just all over the place. You know what I mean? That's what I was doing. Well artists at first, you know early on but I always had the business mind You know, I was in the business bound. Yeah, and then Watts, you know, uh, like I said about 15 years strong You know just promoting every weekend all over the place. Well, what made you what made you link with jato though? Like like what was the what was the thing?  Just all the time. I'm gonna keep him on task Whether he like it or not. I'm gonna keep him on. That's what you need. You know what I mean a pull-up You know, I'm waiting for the cuss out one day, but you know, I'm coming from 10 15 ticks a day 30 Don't know let me you man He's talking about granny pull you know, no This one you going through That's the tc program I think I get on top of that That's it No, so I thank god for it man. So y'all y'all y'all getting down tonight. Yeah. Yeah How's it when you come to dallas perform? What what do dallas do for you? This this is your second on my third on this is third on like like How is it like when you perform in dallas and just the love you get our dallas same way they love you Yeah Bro, would you when I went interviewed? Yes. G at the hospital when he got his leg taken off Bro, I went to the house exactly on the way to dallas. Did you see did you you seen my interview? No, man.   Like people don't realize man He talks about and and I know people like uh, he on this or he on that he talks about triggers That certain things trigger him and mentally he go back to that place or when he was doing whatever I'm being honest You know what I mean? That's what he told me he say he said he get triggered so And I'm I'm like and you can relate to this I seen niggas would locked up that never got over smoking wet, bro That's mine.  Yeah, that was the first time I seen stuck Stuck and Larry gets they jailed the first time I ever seen it.  I'm gonna be honest with you. I'll say this about you Because I love him Like people don't realize man a lot of people might talk down to say this or that But that nigga fans love that nigga I'm not playing bro.  I'm listening swinging swinging and banging might have I might have heard that earlier than everything I'm an old nigga, man. You're gonna Now you say 91 90 she said this is where I'll be killing niggas at right here in 91 I wouldn't you know how everybody would be like the chronic album and all that I wasn't really on that stuff like that.  So, you know But I'm just saying like It'll be in the deck with it. Mr. Michael. I mean big Michael's idea I was on it See if you all the way I do new york music and it's crazy California music and all that school used to put them on his CDs when he chopped you put it on there Yeah, so I wouldn't even know them That's what I'm saying. And niggas be trying to talk me out of that right now on this show I'll be like nigga. I'm telling you I was there. I wasn't I was listening at this I was on this and this is all I was on because they sound like me. I ain't I wasn't tripping What you think about the music now when you hear Down to everybody got a rap pattern the same way I don't I really don't I'm gonna be honest with you I listened to a lot of Old stuff, bro I listen to a little new if I let I'm gonna tell you I like if I talk about new who's I like, you know who I like Oh, I don't remember his name, but I don't know Not young doff the other little nigga that be with young doff So The little little slim niggas living that you're saying the dog keyglock keyglock. I was listening. That was it I didn't know what you got. I'm just saying that's all I would I rock that keyglock. Yeah, but You know, I'm telling the truth. But other than that, like I wasn't really I don't know what it was something about him.     I'm sorry, I did I cut you off because I No, no, I'm wrong the comments the niggas be saying man, you be cutting niggas off. I think I'm just talking I don't be looking at it like y'all y'all gonna the interview.  You gotta visualize it I gotta see it. You know what I mean? So It's like a move in my head.  Mm-hmm them the hardest things in the world for me to rap You know, I mean it's as simple as this concept is and he basically abc in on that That's the hardest ever for me to put together in my head But if it's something this thought provoking You know, I gotta see it I can't be passionate about Nothing that I don't see right, right Well, I can tell you right now, man I'm a big fan. I love you, bro. You got to come back on boss talk if I come to houston I gotta find y'all come to the hood.  We gotta we gotta run it back I got some special I want to do and at the end of the day, we got to rock out.  It's a press run.  You know, yeah, drop a couple singles, you know, get a mix tape ready First of all, we can rock out. Just tell me what we're doing by six months.  You ain't got to worry about that. We're gonna let them know we come I'm we for the end this thing man jade out man. Thank you so much for coming on the show Man top three artists all time dead alive. You didn't give me that but I know kind of know where you're gonna go any genre Yeah, top three In any order any order two pot dmx Oh man, I dare with the toss up. It's always that I dare with the toss up man because Oh my god I want to say lauren here. Oh, that's a hard one there Yeah, but you know bar marley. It's my number one about town. You know she's your maker. She ain't you so it's like man out And then silo green just amazing to me. You like silo silo green go hard He's supposed to be in dallas sometime soon. Really? I saw him on a flyer man. It just it's It's hard to say that there That there when I was a beast man Who would you put in a place marlin by marlin? He really my number one overall I mean period is it because of the way he was able to transcend Different elements of different places in the world. I don't know. It's the way he touched my spirit like when you listen to him Yeah, I got a connection with war. That's good. And then look I was born Hours after he died 511 81 Wow, that's crazy. Look it up like I was born hours after he died. That's crazy So man, amen. Thank you so much for coming on show.  Yeah, just let me know whatever you ready. I have it for you I won't take me Let me see I got your number. Let me see if I got let me let me shut this down. Hey man. Thank you guys for watching man It's been another great segment of boss talk 101. What a boss is talk and we out