I think we've got our group here. It is past five o'clock the door Maria is back so we will call the December 1st 2022 meeting of the Historic Preservation Commission to order can we have the roll please Chairman Lane here Commissioner Sibley here Commissioner Barnard here Commissioner Gallo Commissioner Goon Commissioner Jacobi here Councilmember Rodriguez here thank you great so we do have a quorum we'll move on to approval of the October 6 2022 meeting minutes do any commissioners have any corrections or comments regarding those if not I'll entertain a motion okay I've got a motion to approve the minutes by Commissioner Barnard seconded by Commissioner Gallo all those in favor say I raise your hand and you posed none the minutes are approved in it you unanimously okay report from the chair I don't have anything in particular personally here but I do would like to take the opportunity to recognize Commissioner Goon who unfortunately is on her last meeting here so we we want to thank you for your time on the Commission and I really do appreciate the the often sort of counterpoint arguments that you brought and some different perspectives it's been it's been very good to have you here and we will miss you now let me go ahead and give you that well thank you very much I was gonna have closing comments thanking all of you I've learned so much about all of this you know housing and architecture and historical preservation all of that and I've learned so much from all of you and it's been a pleasure to serve here thank you all right thanks I do have a little certificate of appreciation so if you want a little photo op we can do that right up front it seems to be the thing okay next on our agenda would be communications from HPC staff liaison good evening I do have some additional items that will come up during prior business however just as a quick update we are finally have some staff on board and so I will be able to pay more attention to historic preservation and first order of business will be to put together a grant application for a preserve for a survey plan to get that to try make some progress on that so still getting you know one person is still starting next week I think a couple weeks so but we do have one a new senior planner on board so we're throwing her into the deep end on development reviews so so yes so hopefully that should start to free up some my time so I can put much more focus on historic preservation so that's I think excellent news for all of us it is so and we did have an additional we have had an inquiry about landmarking a property I don't know if that's going to go anywhere but it so stay tuned on that one that's pretty much all I have under just the general HPC communication okay wonderful thank you any commissioners have questions for staff at this moment all right great thanks okay I don't have the list but this is public invited to be heard so if there is anyone in the audience who would like to come up and offer a comment do we do we have anyone out there okay you don't think they can hear me come on I reset you thank you good evening Historic Preservation Commission Sharon Ellery 534 Emory Street sorry I wasn't here in October I thought we both needed a vacation from one another but then you stood me up last month well regardless while I was on vacation I could not stop thinking about you I was in Yellowstone National Park staying at the Old Faithful Lodge it was magnificent in the entire time I kept thinking how thankful I was of past generations that had the foresight and took responsibility to ensure preservation Old Faithful Lodge exterior represents the time period and the interior is a work of art the preservation and care that has gone into that structure ensures that many generations to come will be able to enjoy its beauty preservation is vital without it we wouldn't have national parks national forests open space historical buildings churches Cathedral small coin homes majestic buildings and historical neighborhoods a few weeks ago neighbors were cleaning out the home where their father lived and he too was a preservationist in the historic East side they gave me a box of papers and documentations from the founding years and reminded me of how we preserved the henna neighborhood back when then we were citizens for a sensitive revitalization our neighborhood formed because in 1961 Longmont City Council did not give the East side the same zoning as a historic Westside our neighborhood received a combination zoning of R3 and R4 that allowed up to four unit development in certain sections of our neighborhood and then in 1967 high density residential use permitted throughout the entire neighborhood despite the fact that 80% of the housing was single family after years of working and meeting on committees with city staff and council we basically did the heavy lifting and received our RLE zoning so here we are today one year from when City Council instructed planners to come back with some sort of historic preservation guidelines but not on the same level as historic designation our neighborhood gave the city planners a complete guideline and to this day nothing has happened there is a proposal that's being worked on that would be a blanket zoning for the historic East side and Westside but that's doomed the day it comes off the printer the East side has been preserved for close to 40 years the West side has a different vision we helped save the Carnegie library when the city was selling it for a dollar then we reuse these signs to make signs for in front of homes for carriage rides that ran the week before Christmas for the next six years we are preservation what I'm asking you do tonight is to please make a motion and and second it and ask to have a conservation overlay zone for the historic East side and send it to City Council you have the ability to preserve thank you thank you seeing no one else in the audience we'll go ahead and close the public invited to be heard and move on to new business which is planning for the coming year good evening chairman so this is the item really to start thinking about 2023 so moving forward in terms of priorities for the year wanted to propose the question of how you would prefer to go about setting your priorities how you go about wanted to go about setting your priorities whether it be in a regular regular meeting or doing a retreat we haven't done this Commission has not done a really focused planning retreat since 2021 so wanted to present that item to to the Commission for consideration and to discuss as a business basically a business item to discuss another option another item that would could be hers should be considered either as part of an agenda or part of a retreat would basically be a refresher on open meeting rules etc as we have new Commissioners coming on board and just really kind of refresh everyone on kind of what the rules and guidelines are and and that could either be incorporated into us into a meeting with our city attorneys coming to just kind of brush everyone up on that or as part of a larger retreat so wanted to pose those suggestions and questions to the board for discussion or commission I should say right as as always I have my own opinions but I will defer to the Commission to if anybody's got any thoughts or questions Commissioner Barnett get you there no you are seat three so I took a look at the when I first came out took a look at the retreat minutes of and from 2021 and I've just found them to be extremely valuable and I think I've always been in favor of those of those types of ways of dealing with planning issues of taking that because it takes time to do something like that it's a big time it's a big time investment but I think it produces good results the only thing I would ask is that if we do something like that that we have come out with we came out with clear points in the 2021 retreat and I'd like to just see that that how that the points be extended a little bit with timelines on them because there were like seven or eight points but you know when would we do each one and when would we accomplish each one because there's no way we can accomplish all of them at the next meeting that's that's and so some of them just get get laid aside until some time when they just might come up again and of course the business but if it's part so part of a plan of a retreat I would support would be one that had specific timelines coming after thank you other commissioner I'd certainly be in favor of a retreat if we can all get together and make a time I think between the goofiness of the interruptions of you know the pandemic and then new staff and most you know many new commissioners I think it would be really valuable to just kind of sit back refocus plot out some courses of action and and have some resources available to guide those courses of action when we say well we'd like to do this and somebody says well it can't look like that it has to be you know to be steered one way or the other so that we we can be effective I think that would be very valuable so we can if we can what so what would be the the I mean we'll have a meeting the first part of January that's typically the you know who who's new new officers new you know ratify the bylaws so on and so forth so I would say sometime you know late January or at the latest in February would be an appropriate time to to have that happen it seems reasonable I'll I can work with Maria and we'll see if we can identify meeting space and such and come up with some possible dates it seems like the last one was May and I don't know if there was any magic to that or that's just what worked out yeah I think it just took that long you know to get every yeah so earlier would be better you're right all right so what I've got on that great thank you any other comments on coming up nope all right okay well let's go on to talking about a few things from past business update on commissioner interviews I guess and for those I will recuse myself since I was one of the interview ease so I think that means commissioner guy you you have the floor as the coach the vice chair of the meeting those interviews I'm not sure what I could say is there someone who attended those interviews I will I will give you the floor well one candidate was moved himself from the list before our interviews one candidate was unavailable for the interviews so we had two candidates for two positions and they both have experience already and I think they were both well received but I haven't heard the official rules as determination as far as then the board this year commission sure so staff me I forwarded the recommendations of the interview committee to the city clerk's office so commissioner Lane and commissioner Barnard you should be either if you haven't received an invitation for council interviews you should one should be forthcoming so we did recommend that council interview both of you for regular commission the full commissioner position Mr. Fenster was unable to attend his interview but we did interview him back in May as part of the mid-year nomination cycle and we did find him to be qualified as well so we did recommend that he be considered and interviewed for the alternate position so that we would have an alternate and I think council is doing the interviews on next Saturday not this coming Saturday and then it'll be on a council agenda and they'll make appointments and that'll be in December I'm not sure what that agenda is but believe us December 10th 10 okay right okay you should be receiving them at some point because I know I know I know Michelle was frantically putting everything together this week okay great so there is no real action here right this is just a discussion item discussion items yeah okay fair enough well unless anyone else has any other comment we'll move on so that includes everyone that's here obviously commissioner Norton is absent but she's still in the commission commissioner goon seat would then be filled by Mr. Lester as an alternate or Fenster sorry you're yeah yeah so I see so you're I'm the alternate right now okay and then Mr. Fenster would take mine and then I would take Terry seat is regular right okay fair enough great okay next item is the Dickens barn what do we have for new news on that so I'm still working on it we are staff and which I would be the staff is reviewing the site plan and plat for this project we are the applicant is still planning to dedicate the barn and some adjacent properties to the city so the barn can be preserved I'm still I'm working with our legal staff to determine the best mechanism for doing that so we're just working through the procedural issues at this point so once all of that is is finalized it would probably be in the first quarter upon approving and once the final plat is fine is finalized then we could look at pursuing additional grant opportunities to further for the further rehabilitation and stabilization of the barn part of the dedication would include a basically a cash and leave dedication as well to specifically for stabilization work from the developer so will we see them back here at all do they need to come back for any kind of a final approval yeah ultimately you have to make a action on because the plant well ultimately the city council said HPC has to approve the preservation plan we didn't really define what that is so we do envision that you'll have to take an action on that okay but but that it's essentially a more or less a done deal the Parks and Rec has already accepted we hope it's done deal okay that's done I think preserving the barn would be the his the ultimate preservation plan from staff standpoint right okay questions from commissioners no yeah I'm is there any update on the status of the outbuildings and the rest of the property I'm not at last time I asked about that that was still premature but I was have you made a determination on that well the original farmhouse and some of the other outbuildings are underneath the future 711 so they are going to go and then I think the only other ones there was a chicken check that I think is pretty much collapsed on itself so as of now it's really leaves the barn that'll be preserved so as you know what we originally presented if if we still want to do something symbolic for the original farmhouse that potentially is something you could still consider they were proposing outlining the foundation I think in the parking maneuvering areas and maybe doing a couple other things I think there were some commissioners that that you know that maybe that's not the best way to do it but we can certainly discuss that when it comes before you okay then let's move on to the next item which is HBC code amendment status and looks like we have a kind of outline Glenn here to discuss thank you mr. chair and commissioners recently I had a conversation with chairman Lane and talk about the code amendments and we've had some good discussions with council an executive session and public meeting but I think I realized that maybe we shotguned a whole lot of things that everybody and it got to be maybe a bigger project than what we had originally or what HPC maybe originally envisioned so I thought it might be a good idea to kind of go back to I think it was 2021 and it started in the retreat where you were revising the code and I took directly from one of the agendas of your meeting what you felt were the major issues and then I thought I could walk through these and then say our attorney that worked on it identified some key legal issues staffed through kind of our wants in there and there were certainly some things that came out of council so I'll walk through this I thought I'd kind of lead you in a prioritizing the exercise to say what are the key things with the idea of let's maybe hit your really top items first and then perhaps as we do a more overall a more thorough overhaul of the land development code we can do some of the other things and then my tent is I've talked to our city attorney about it he thinks maybe it's a good idea I'll go back to city council at some point and say do you agree with this approach to address these things in this way maybe more of a smaller amendment but I know I heard from HPC that you had some priorities probably around demolition but I thought I kind of walk through this cheat sheet that I provided for you have up on the screen and the first thing was demolition by neglect I didn't put these in any kind of order so don't get biased by what's number one but there was certainly a concern that just somebody neglecting their historic property would just succumb it to being torn down so how do we kind of halt that there was a feeling by HPC we need to define what's an extraordinary historic significance you know that that was a good call because our attorney said the same thing we need more criteria of what is potentially historic we added in we do identify in our code right now we talk about archaeological significance but we don't have a definition for that and I think the big one was revised the demolition review procedures right now I think it says anything in the original town site and then the code also says if we have a survey that identifies something is significant outside that area that potentially it would go through a review process and right now the code the process is it gets reviewed by the liaison and a council member which I think would be our council member Rodriguez would look at that and decide whether that demolition should go up to the HPC or whether it's should it's not significant enough and maybe should just be approved as far as for demolition and HPC thought it ought to really just go to the Historic Preservation Commission so that's really I think the meat of that matter there was a question about city-owned properties and do the same process apply to them I think we had recently gone through the silo designation that was brought forward by a resident there was a concern by the HPC that maybe we restrict the ability to revoke your designation and if you're a landmark property locally landmarked you should stay that way and there shouldn't really be a process to undo that that was one thing we didn't really address in our code enforcement or penalties if somebody goes ahead and ignores the code and you know tears down a property that's potentially been designated and then I think there was something about notice of certified neighborhoods if we have a certificate of appropriateness or you're creating a new district or you're creating a landmark that we had widened the scope of that notice I left a couple of blanks because maybe I missed a few if some of you have a better memory of that draft code or do you think that kind of hits the big ones thanks I think I think that does I think you had a really good summary of the demolition piece for sure that I think that really captured at least what I recall from from all those discussions right and some of the ancillary stuff is filled in in the time since right so what what I recall from that those earliest of meetings was the very first item of importance was just revising this demolition code because at currently it's a really low bar for somebody to take a building down and once it's down it's done and we felt like we wanted to get that bar raised up a notch or two or three and so relative to demolition by neglect and the demolition review procedures and the associated enforcements and penalties I think that's where that's where this all started and then other things have sort of conglomerated on to the process it's a definition of Mission Creek and part of that certainly is well we did bring in outside counsel who identified some legal issues with our code the way it is right now really having to do a due process which was if I have a property that's in the original town site it's 50 years old I don't necessarily know that and I don't know that there's potentially land use restrictions on it so that started a whole nother train that was how do you do that well we do that normally through zoning and that's where they created the historic preservation overlay so that in those areas we've created an overlay so that if we're rezoning your property you're aware of what the rules are so it really grew quite a bit and then as I mentioned before they identified just being 50 years old maybe isn't enough maybe it can be a little bit tighter as far as what those criteria are and then we added on oh well while we're at it why don't we look at the certificates appropriateness and is there a staff level versus an HPC level and and while we're at it let's just move the whole thing into land development code because it's a it's a land use process so then we have this great big animal so what I thought we would do and and maybe it's not going to take long is what we normally do when we have a list like this with with a group or a board what are your top three and what do you think would be as far as timing wise the most important not that we're going to ignore them all and then our hope is we can kind of come up with an idea of how to kind of move forward on those changes talk to council about it and see if they're willing to go that direction and then we could be very close to addressing some things so you've got nine eight if you were to pick your top three we can just go around the room and and see what they are that is agreeable okay I remember back in them in that retreat that we had when we were talking about demolition by neglect one of my major concerns was east side his dark neighborhoods are is a it's a it had been in affordable neighborhood so you've got a lot of you had you do a lot of poverty there I live there and I owned my home forever before I could fix the foundation so I'm not quite sure how that reads you know when we're talking about a developer purposefully neglecting an old shed in the backyard that they don't want to use anymore and they want to tear it down and so they think that they can get away with something versus somebody who just can't afford to fix the old shed and they're kind of waiting until life changes and that you know it becomes the priority kids are out of the house or whatever it is and so that one really bugs me I know I'm leaving because I live there it's been my life I paper things as they go along I'd save a buddy and then fix them but priorities are always you're constantly balancing them and for us as a commission to determine because you live in this house we get to set your priorities bothers me so just FYI and and I might add there's nothing to say you can't come to one of these meetings and express your opinion during any of these processes so please you are welcome back commissioner partner looking at this summer and also looking back at the May 5th memo on what the Commission's ideas were made for 2020-22 and then also my memory of the retreat and also the recent joint meeting with City Council demolition seemed to be a fairly big deal and it was the one where there didn't seem to be good communication back and forth between the city and staff and the Commission so I'd say that if we want to start I would rather than have three things I think we've there's enough under the issue of demolition whether it's here you've you've got demolition procedures include original town site removal is on and council member review the main memo you talk about demolition permit review applicability procedure and criteria that's I mean that alone I think would take through the end of the year to resolve just because it's tough they're tough issues and I think if you if you try to my feeling as you try to tack on more stuff then we'll lose our focus on what appears to have been a major issue for us for the last several years thank you other commissioners pressure that I can get you all right commissioner guy I mean I I've been on the Commission for I don't even know 10 magically for like 10 years now I don't know how that happened but I remember when we were talking about that when this when I came on to the onto the Commission so it's been a long long time and and I would say I mean to be honest I think under the enforcement and penalties part of it you could also just you know bracket a lot of these demolitions because that's kind of the heart of it is you know the demolition might neglect the procedures the oversight of it is a big part of it is that you know if you tear your house down it costs like 50 dollars it's like a $50 fine just even if it's on the National Register it's you know and locally designated and everything else that just you know until we have a piece where there's actually some consequences for doing that sort of thing it's it's you know we can put all the codes you know and definitions of demolition might neglect which generally speaking is never going to be somebody you know not painting their house in time it's going to be yeah a developer buys a house lets it sit there for a couple years till it falls down so that they can scrape it so for me that the number one issue would be the enforcement and penalties which would actually bring some action thank you simply here sorry oh it's like red means go instead of green I'm sorry I'm no I was gonna say I that yeah demolition is sort of the top thing too because really once those places are gone they're gone and so yeah I think that is probably big my list I'm but I don't know how it in going through those kinds of things like with the overlays and zoning and all those kinds of things I would imagine that all has to tie together so in my head I'm like okay there's your basket it's full so yeah so I guess I'm with everybody here with the demolition is kind of being a priority thank you commissioner Jacobi thank you yeah I agreed demolition should be number one it just just yeah irreplaceable loss is our priority before we get the rest of our stuff in order here so revising demolition review procedures I think is definitely important demolition by neglect is a very thorny issue properties rights I agree with Terry is very important but I do know again there was a property on Atwood about ten years ago one of the original colony homes that was stripped down to basically framing and then left for two years and then they decided well we got to build something here and because what they had was no longer usable and so demolition by neglect is a definite issue I think it's thorny but I think it can be worked around but that's such a big issue right there how do you define that getting the lawyers involved that making that part of it is is going to be yeah that's going to be enough for you to chew on but again enforcement and penalties is part of that because you know if we don't have reasonable teeth behind all this everything you put on papers kind of they'll laugh it off and getting back to that includes revocation of designation I think you could make a simple penalty for revocation of designation I and I don't know what amount that would be but I think you could just include that and that that wouldn't take a lot of brainpower and that would give a little teeth to people maintaining their historic designation again I think when we looked at that subdivision of that the farm property a couple months ago we had really no saying it because they could just revoke their designation and subdivide if we didn't agree to some sort of plan for them I think if we had a little bit of teeth behind revocation with a little bit of a penalty at least of some kind I think that would help out so I think all of those are kind of intertwined and connected but that would be more than enough right now revocations in your purview that that is something that has come through HPC it's it's not something somebody can just decide and let it go what they were asking on the property that Jennifer worked on is can we move those buildings they were moving historic buildings right so yeah there once you're designated they have to come back to you I think what the HPC was thinking is let's let's shut that door perhaps if somebody's a landmark so that would be a change that'd be a pretty serious change all right thank you yeah I would just wrap up by saying again I think if you're gonna obviously you see the demolition is the big one it was what started this all as I mentioned and then I don't know that you can parse out anything associated with demolition and handle only that you just have to take on the pieces that include demolition so that means talking about demolition by neglect talking about the purview procedures talking about the enforcements and penalties and coming up with a comprehensive direction for that component right and and I think if we can if we can do that as a focus and we can get some surveys grant surveys you grants for surveys started and then have a retreat it feels like we have the retreat can handle the bigger pictures because we're not gonna handle we're not gonna we're not gonna make it you know we're not gonna create an overlay district tonight it's not that's not gonna happen that's a huge project that needs public involvement but if we can get some direction on the demolition piece and really dial that into what we we want to accomplish and then there's been a lot of work that's been done already so I think it's really circling back putting this together understanding what what city attorney perspective is on what has already been drafted and then getting this commission to refocus on it I think that I don't know that it should take you know a massive amount of time right yeah and I think the key to the demolition is refining that criteria to so that was kind of part of my discussion with our city attorney May so I think we could do something a bit scaled down that would address the demolition part of it but again we we have had this discussion with council I'll return some way back to them and see if they agree with that direction and we'll hopefully address the demolition much quicker than the whole rewrite moving it into the land development code right that was gonna be my question this would not be this would not involve any kind of move into the land use code at this point we just do we just revise the ordinance and that's it for now yeah and in my mind I'd still work within that chapter 2.5 of the municipal code where it is now but I appreciate the conversation and it helps me because I was just coming in as you were doing that so I'm just going back through notes without any flavoring to it trying to figure out what was key so it did kind of blossom into a very big project so I think this might help us get off the dime and at least addressed I think your principal concern so I appreciate that great thank you any other commissioner questions or comments perfect thank you oh yes I would also recommend incentives we you know we don't I'm not creative enough to come up with what people want or what they like other than money you know which we have the tax incentives so you know something that that would make people want to not demolish their homes you know carrots thanks right commissioner Barnard yes one thing I think be helpful to me since you're in the early stages of preparing what you're gonna do here is if we had some comparables we don't have to necessarily invent the wheel we have an old code a lot of coals have been revised since then neighborhood county other other cities in the county that might have specific ideas that they've perhaps more recently adopted into their codes and just going through this briefly I just saw that boulder has a one-page explanation of what a demolition is it's one page with pictures and if it meets that criteria it's a demolition then it probably has a lot of other words to go along with it but it seems pretty simple we don't have I don't I don't think we need to limit ourselves to the county there might be some smart cities out there that you might know about sure that like Austin Texas or Madison Wisconsin or others that are comparable cities that have been through this process I know it doesn't take much searching online to find a lot of historical preservation code references and I think it would be helpful going in if we saw what you're proposing and how it fits in with what the general tone of these types of solutions is not that we can't do something unique but let's see where we are with respect to others because those others have also survived the private partnership and the public partnership issues to get where they were sure yeah we're certainly not unique but I think just about every city in Colorado at least has a historic preservation requirements yeah thank you and and I do remember that I think planter Schumacher had brought yet a couple we've done that already we can handle that we can find something in a fire right might be as much work to find it as to find it again but that's how those things go excellent thank you very much yeah thank you appreciate the effort okay we'll go unless there's any other comment yep just thinking about Terry's comment about carrots rather than sticks which is always a much easier way to approach things another carrot something I brought up multiple meetings ago was the certificate of merit and it's it follows kind of the federal rules of as being making houses notable and I know other cities boulders use it a lot but if it had some carrots attached to it maybe we can't give tax breaks the way the rules are written but maybe we could forgive permitting fees city permitting fees for in exchange for some control of development of the house so it's just you know but the certificate of merit we could put some carrots in and use more because I don't think the city's used it very much here it may be mistaken but right now it's a worthless piece of paper that says nice try buck oh but your place isn't landmark and I think we could do something with that mm-hmm so I like that idea right yeah it's if you don't hit the landmark then you get a certificate of merits kind of yeah so basically a landmark light yeah I think we actually talked about giving someone I can't remember maybe maybe it was in a I think actually it was somebody that we ended up the commission decided to landmark but there was discussion back and forth about whether it was worthy and it was sort of on the edge and that was something that we were talking about as a you know potential stepping stone of encouragement there's something I mean I think there's there's opportunity to throw that out there discuss it and try to figure out a way to but it would be good to make it worth something more than just a nice try stamp right I mean because everybody knows what the reality of that is all right great thank you thank you for the comments all right we'll go ahead and close that portion of the meeting and then we are on to just comments from the HPC commissioners commissioner goon I'll just reiterate it's been a pleasure working with you guys and getting to know you all a little bit and it's it's been fun thank you for all of your knowledge and for listening to me kindly Commissioner go I just wondering if you knew whether you were gonna get any scholarships for the CPI conference in February for commission members yeah I'm sure we can we do have a pretty healthy budget as far as for training so I don't is that what we call them scholarships for you can actually apply for money to give scholarships to commission members registration fees oh well if we can't get money we'll find it okay is there and is there maybe a possible head count of people interested in them yes Suzanne Doug it's a history Colorado's yeah there's some fun ones and some very highly technical let's talk about you know stuck oh okay you keep doing that to me one of my first meetings there was a discussion of a brochure and I know it went back to staff and I know you've been short staff I think you use Lewisville was one of the examples that the Commission said they liked and I was just wondering why I've heard anything about that at the last few meetings and I was just wondering where that stood as far as staff time staff work it's I remember I think it was we were discussing a historic preservation plan of which Lewisville has done and then they've collapsed the major points into a handout so I think we need to plan first and that's something that we are trying to find funding for through our CLG so but it's it's definitely a good idea and we did like I think Lewisville did a very good example of what a plan could look like so the short answer is we haven't done anything but it's definitely on our to-do Commissioner Jacobi all right just to address Sharon O'Leary's concerns I mean she wants us to make a motion for a conservation overlay zone for the historic east side I've mentioned that before as a possibility and we had the RLE one zoning that was restrictive and did help preserve the neighborhood for a long time I think it be easy to seems easy to me very being naive and not working through all the channels but to just reinstate that until we get somewhere but I think that would take energy and time away from making the larger conservation overlay that we are trying to work on and we were the last time it was presented it was going to be individual houses and in the joint meeting with City Council I think everybody agreed that this would be better in districts rather than houses and I'm just wondering do we have any update on when are we going to get another presentation on where that's going at or where is that at now but where is what I'm sorry and that the proposal to make a conservation overlay of just of the individual houses was pretty much done to buy everybody but where is that at now are we looking at making districts and or should if we are looking at districts I don't think we should pursue Sharon's suggestion as that would be just taking time away and valuable resources from making better districts but if we're not looking at districts I think what she requests has some merit and maybe we should pursue it so I'm just wondering where that discussion is at now yeah so that's where the historic preservation overlay came from right so and that's the reason why I want to have this discussion we don't necessarily have to do that to initially address the demolition issue right now our code does have conservation districts and it's really geared towards a neighborhood that wants put special rules in their neighborhood and it requires a certain percentage of everybody to sign on to that so that is a much bigger deal and it is kind of geared towards a community doing that working on that and not necessarily the city coming in and putting in a conservation district so it is a much different animal now part of the code amendments were referencing design guidelines and that's something we told council we would do I think that addresses part of the issue but there are some yeah some of these beginning code amendments that need to happen first and then we do have money in the budget to do the design guidelines as far as appropriate additions in certain areas okay all right well maybe not as heavy-handed as a conservation district but I think it's it it would probably address a lot of the issues I think concerns all right I guess it depends on how you define the conservation overlay and what you put in it you know how heavy-handed it gets maybe I'll talk to you some more about that again and after the meeting and see where we can go with that right thank you and might just add I think that's the perfect thing for a retreat right that's the perfect so we can really talk just in a more fluid way hash things out talk about what directions the Commission really wants to spend time on so I hold on to it for sure any other commissioner comments no all right I will just to conclude again by thanking Commissioner goon for your time I really do appreciate your time and your perspective it's it's very good to have different perspectives on this commission it makes it a richer end result okay okay all right just getting my attention you've been working me today I've been hitting this thing a lot tonight so I just want to make sure I'm not missing anybody okay comments from our city council representative thank you all right with that I will entertain a motion to adjourn okay moved by Commissioner goon in her last act seconded by Commissioner Jacobi all those in favor say aye oppose none we are adjourned thank you all good night


I'm Andrew Walker and I'm representing the SA Property Investors Network. And what we do at the SA Property Investors Network and what we care is we help aspiring investors connect together. We help people move forward, we connect all the dots for our investors. So yesterday I was doing a presentation on run down distressed properties and if you sat there watching this and you have no idea what a distressed property is, a typical distressed property will be a property that may be run down. It could be 20 years old, 40 years old, 18 years old, so imagine if you walk into a property and it stinks and it runs, you know, it's run down, the kitchen's broken, the windows are broken, the roof is broken. A distressed property is a property that needs to be renovated that we can then offer to our first-time buyers. One of the key questions I always get asked is Andrew, if I want to become an investor and I want to do distressed properties, how can I extract value out of the property? Now depending where you're buying will depend on our strategy with this. If you want to get into a property space, whether it's going to be your first investment purchase, your second or third, first thing you must ask yourself is what's your strategy? Are we doing barter let's? Are we doing distressed? If you want to do back to back deals, whatever it might be, if it's going to be distressed the reason why you're going to do this is you want to create capital. So you want to go into a property and you want to renovate it, sell it to make a profit. You may then take the profit and reinvest it into a barter let's that's completely up to you. And you know why would a seller sell? Just think about this for a second.  They can't even provide a COC that there might be some arrears or debt against the property. So this is where we can help the general public by coming forward, striking a deal with the owner, selling the property, helping them move forward and then we make a profit out of the deal. I always get asked, Andrew, what are your golden nuggets or what are some tips that you can offer me if I want to do a distressed property? So if you're starting out in property and you want to get into distressed properties, I've got two golden nuggets for you. Let's keep this simple. Regardless where you live in South Africa, choose an older area because if you choose a new area, you ain't going to find any rundown or distressed properties. But if you go into the older areas where people have lived there for 20, 30, 40 years, this is where you'll find the stock. My second golden nugget, because you're starting out or you're growing your portfolio, for now, let's stick to properties below the million round level. What I personally found is the properties below a million for me personally move very quickly. Whereas if we're in the three millions or four millions or five millions, what I find is that your buyers are less at that level. So start below the million in the older areas.


All right, everyone welcome to day three of the 21 convention the men's conference of The century now everyone's all set. This is the very first speech of day three and we're getting right into things It will help wake you up this next man. That's coming to the stage He is going to help you turn up the volume on your communication. Please welcome your charisma coach Marcus Oki Good morning everyone 21 convention, I'm still trying to work out why it's a 21 convention I was thinking maybe it's because it's in the Fibonacci sequence of numbers You know you've got 21 and then maybe that's maybe the 21 convention is everything you wish you'd known when you were 21 I'm glad we did it at 21 and not 55 because that would be not as good Don't squat with so much weight my knees are killing me. I wish I'd known that. Oh, what's the next number? 89 Why yes taking my false teeth out does have more than one use But here we are 21 convention Everything I'm going to tell you now is all the stuff. I wish I'd known when I was 21 And what better way to start the day off than breakfast See for me, I teach charisma and people don't really understand. What is charisma? What's it all about? Well, my definition is it's the ability to affect the emotions of the people you speak to in In a way that wouldn't have been felt had you not been there in the first place So in other words, it's making people feel an emotion Now hopefully This breakfast that I bought to the table might be able to demonstrate that so quick question for you What is this? It's an orange. Okay? This is yours in one moment, sir. Thank you for stepping up It gets better. Um, so if we squeeze this orange, what comes out? Orange juice. Why? Because it's an orange. Yeah, full of vitamin C. Goodness orange juice comes out an orange Just like when you speak to people The emotion that comes out of you Tells them what's going on. Now if I squeeze this and put it in a glass on the table I'm pretty sure anyone watching could say I'm reasonably confident. That's orange juice in that glass. Would you agree? Maybe a few people might say well hang on. Maybe it's mango juice But the majority of us would think yep orange juice comes out the orange that looks like orange juice And the emotions coming out of you as you talk to people Tell people what's going on because we know that juice has come out the orange. Oh almost got his head We know the juice is coming out the orange is from an orange So whatever emotions coming out of us tells people what's going on inside of us to speak as we speak to them It's kind of like Almost a tell-tale sign So the ability to change the emotions of the people you speak to is everything You can talk to people with no emotion And they will not fill in emotion either or you can talk to people with lots of emotion And maybe they will fill that emotion If I want somebody to feel an emotion The very best chance I've got of doing that Not the only chance, but the very best chance. I think It's to fill the emotion first myself in other words. It's to go first. It's to fill that emotion and hopefully It'll come out and affect them So If we look back at the charismatic leaders throughout of history People say, you know, you teach charisma. What about Hitler? I have to confront that Hitler was a very charismatic guy very charming You see the thing is two worlds exist There's the world around you and There's the world inside your mind two different worlds and The world around you can affect what goes on in your mind and your mind can affect the world around you So if you take a look at the room at the moment find something in the room you're in Whatever you're looking at Was probably designed by somebody who probably started off as an idea in their head and was brought out of their mind into the world Does that make sense? So all the great bridges space stations space rockets even That glass on the table Started as an idea and someone took action and made it real So the emotions that are in your mind Also get transmitted into the world around you Hitler's ideas Became part of the world around us now. His idea started. I'm sure in his head in his own mind It's very positive.  It's the people that have control of what's going on in their own mind They're able to put a motion out there and change the world around them stronger than others What I mean by this is If I talk to somebody and I make them fill in the motion I'm changing how they feel about themselves as You all do when you talk to people if you're happy and you talk to somebody and you put them in a really good mood You make them feel a nice way and that affects their thought process and That thought process being changed affects their mind. I Remember when I was younger thinking wouldn't it be cool to be in control of people's minds, you know I was a kid. I was power crazy But we do it to each other all the time All of us affect the people the emotions of the people we speak to So it's just about learning how to do that So I'm gonna start by maybe saying a bit controversial For my my two cents I've worked in the self-development industry for a while now and for me Time and time again.  It's just what I've experienced Because you are your own best teachers not me not anyone else who gets up on this stage and talks to you You have to figure things out for yourself And this is just what I figured out. Hopefully it cut down some of the learning time for you guys Some of it you may completely disagree with fine some of it. Hopefully you'll agree with great But it's just my two cents So the reason I say confidence is bullshit is this Confidence only really works when you're having success now. I teach people to Become better communicators. I Wanted to do that because I always had that problem. I was very shy when I was younger I couldn't get up on the stage and speak I'd absolutely poo myself and And I took strides to improve that Now the one thing I found is people were saying well, how can we learn to you know What do we I always run out of things to say that was a thing I always had and I thought well, you know what? Maybe I can fix that so on my website your charisma coach calm I made a book and this book told people how to get brilliant conversations. If you like download it check it out It's free Now add some good techniques for example Conversations always die When you don't move the conversation into the past or the future if your conversation is in the present moment This game over it would die So what I mean by that is if you see somebody looking at a painting you say hey, that's a really nice painting The person agrees with you and says yeah, it's really nice If that conversation doesn't move into the past or the future it's dead and you just stand again Why did I even talk? I shouldn't have done that But if we say that's a really nice painting hey, I've got an idea you've got a big jacket We fit it in there. I meet you outside. We'll sell it on eBay and divide the profits I've moved the conversation to the future. Of course. I've made it up and it's fun But it's gone somewhere or if I look at the painting and say Damn, I bet that painting took ages to paint. No wonder he cut off his ear It's moved it into the past doesn't have to make sense, but it's moved it somewhere So conversations have to have direction. Now.  I'm gonna demonstrate on this book.   Ah got a bit of a problem there Well, I couldn't raise my ring finger So that means I've still got it. I've still got that anxiety of talking to people But hang on a minute. I've been doing self-improvement or I've been in this industry for years. Why have I still got it? The answer is because I'm human You're born with a suite of emotions and they're great anger happiness embarrassment Jealousy even the bad ones that we kind of try and hide you human. That's the point of being human Rather than trying to block those emotions out rather than trying to build the confidence to overcome them It's not about that. It's about enjoying those emotions when you experience them because in eight years I've never seen one confidence course That works now, maybe I haven't seen enough confidence courses But I meet people that have been on them and they get to the end and they say yep, that's me. I'm fixed and About two weeks later after they finish feeling good.  They're not right Or they have a spate of feeling really confident for a while And after six months for some reason it just dies. Maybe they had an off day Maybe they spoke to some people and it didn't really work out too well. The confidence goes That's because confidence relies on success to work. You have to have a good result a good result a good result If I get a bad result enough times in a row my confidence is going to be shot Now here's the problem. Do you remember what I said about the world around us and the world inside our mind? Can you think of anybody you know? Who doesn't have at least one little problem. They're working through in their life That their life is absolutely peachy in every way. There's just nothing wrong.   It's great. It probably just doesn't feel that way right now So all those people have all got some sort of problem. They're working on I Will never look to those people To pat my back for me. I'll never look to my audience to pat my back for me I'll never look to anyone I meet to pat my back for me because I have no control over how they think or feel about me I have good intentions But I have no control What I mean by that is a story from my father he was a salesman back in the day and He would sell machinery and all the other salesmen got together one day and they were talking and he said what's going on They were talking about this one prospect who was a complete hard-ass who nobody could sell to And he said you know what I want to have a go and they said no don't they tried to warn him They said he would just tell you to get lost so I'm proud to say my dad being my dad. He gave it a shot. He turned up Knocked on the door and the guy told him to get lost straight away He said oh, okay. He goes. I'm just gonna go but before I do what's the matter? He said the matter is you're in my office. You're gonna go out the window if you're not careful My dad said well, I'm leaving anyway, but I've really got to know what's up Again the guy told him to get lost But my dad persisted and he said That I'm going anyway either by the window or by the stairs. I'm gonna probably end up in a sling But what's up?   No one does the people you talk to get no control. What's going on in their life?  Is that correct? I too see that as well, I guess but You see from this angle and I see from this angle. We both see the same hand But our perspectives are different Our perspectives change our perception of things imagine you're driving along and You hear the familiar sirens of an ambulance behind you it comes right up behind you you think okay I've got to move so you move out the way and all the other cars move out the way as well And they let the ambulance go by and right behind that ambulance is a Ferrari right up the back of the ambulance It's used that gap that you've made What do you think about the driver? Any ideas? Arrogant. Yeah, me too when I first heard that but we don't know if that driver Is chasing that ambulance because his wife's dying Or been involved in an accident.  How would I measure them? What's a really quick way? If I if I held them out like that would that work What about if I put them close together that would probably tell me which is the biggest that be right Okay, and it looks like this one's the biggest Here you go. I just realized throwing a banana. It may come back to me. They're kind of boomerang shaped. There you go People are sometimes like bananas and I explain why in life We look for other people to see where we fit in the scheme of things And the reason is we all have a sense of belonging We want to know where we fit into the fabric of society And we get that by looking at every other person and looking at how they react to us to tell us if we're cool if we're not cool In fact, let's replace the bananas with diamonds Some diamonds think hang on a minute. Am I a big diamond? Am I a small diamond? Have I got a crack down me? How do I compare to all the other diamonds? And I said, ah, okay.  Yeah, but are you massive or? I'm a diamond In other words, what I'm trying to say is they know who they are They understand who they are They're not looking for everyone else to react to them to say certain things to them to see where they fit in the scheme of things So that's the start of Sorting out what's going in there Because when you sort out what's going on there The emotions you project will be different and that's what affects other people Hitler wouldn't have been able to have risen to the level of power he had had he not been really likeable If he was an asshole, which he's known for being He wouldn't have had that success This is ability to instill that emotion in people Now if you imagine if you turn up in a Ferrari and a girl sees you driving a Ferrari That might make her fill in a motion. She might be very attracted to you But what if it's Enzo Ferrari's great-granddaughter who was born and raised around Ferraris? Is she gonna feel the same sort of emotion? Chances are she's probably not Our ability to change everyone else's emotions Is more consistent than the Ferrari So the world around you is chaos You've got no control over that. You've got no control of what people are thinking. You've got no control how they're handling stuff What you do have control over is your reaction to it The only thing you have 100 control over in your life is how you react to things So when I'm in a situation, I'm always thinking whether that's a conversation whether that's an interaction whether that's Doing something crazy. I'm always thinking how can I make this fun? How can I take happiness from this? And the secret is to play in 1913 Eleanor H. Porter wrote a book called Pollyanna And the point of that book was was there's a little girl And her life was all about being grateful for everything that happened to her Now in the story all she wants for Christmas is a dolly Someone screwed up and she got crutches Now that would be okay if her legs were broken But they weren't So she took the crutches And she looked at her dad and her dad in the story is like oh my god, this is like very good And she says you know what I'm really grateful because I don't need them So she chose to react Awesomely Every situation Is just a perspective Anything that happens to you from one angle could be rubbish from another angle could be the best thing ever But it's your perspective that determines everything And the way you get that perspective is habit So when I talk to people I always have lots of energy I'm always playing and whenever I go into a conversation I always think this is even going to go really well or it's going to be really fun The reason is because it always is when I look for it If I walk into a conversation thinking this is going to go really well, it's going to be a bit rubbish I'll get one of those responses If you've ever done an exam at school or you've done your driving test I you know my driving test was terrible. I remember getting in the car sitting there and thinking any second now I'm going to fail it was just like This guy with a clipboard just looking at me and I was like Oh my god, if I get this wrong I've screwed for me. It was a black and white result one or zero I could either succeed or I could fail My advice is get rid of the fail box Cross it out and just write really funny story Because you'll find out A friend of mine has a hundred percent consistency in talking to people and what I mean by that is he always has a good result And I said how did you get that success and he said because every conversation I I've had has always gone really well And I thought well, I'm a charisma coach not every conversation I have goes really well. I screw up all the time So what's he doing? So I studied and I looked And I found out the only thing he was doing Which he was just taking every conversation he had just thinking that went well that went funny that went great That went funny and it built up a hundred percent consistency So he knew that every conversation he was going to go into was going to go well It was going to be funny. It was going to be awesome. There was no other reaction. There was no other result We've forgotten how to play We grow up and we lose our playful edge when we're kids We problem solve by playing by having fun Remember all that stuff you learned at school when you're in the first few years of school How to talk how to read all the important stuff, you know the basics of maths the stuff that last year your lifetime You did it through playing And then when you get to adult school all the play goes out the window It gets replaced with logic About the age of 12 or 13 you join senior school and you don't play games in the playground anymore You play adult games and you look to people how to act because I remember my first day at school I didn't play, you know tag and running around. I was looking at other people thinking Okay, I play football now because that's the dumb thing and if I don't I'm going to stick out like a sore thumb School raises you to be a logical thinker It takes away from your playful creative side and moves you to a logical side And that's great because you need to be logical to problem solve Otherwise you wouldn't be able to do business. You wouldn't be able to work Let's say you were building a room like this.  Is that kind of is it going to be built? Or if you order some bricks and you say, right We need 50 bricks Like I asked you how many bricks you need you say a billion This place ain't getting built. It's going to be really huge So you need logic To function in the world the trouble is we forget to be playful But it's when we're being playful that we're we're almost emotive that we're connecting with people in the most engaging way when we're having fun People ask me how do I start conversations up with strangers? Sometimes I'll walk up to them and talk About something I've seen but more often than not it's having fun I was in a coffee shop two days ago and I was in the line and there was a girl and she was buying some some coffee some tea what not And my client said how would you talk to her? And I thought I said where's head to him? I said look what's fun. He said I don't know So I looked at the situation. She just opened her bag And I thought this will be fun. I took out a brownie and just stuck it in her bag. I went. Oh my god I can't believe you're stealing that thus And she went she had an accent from canada or somewhere. She's like, oh my god. What have you done? I'm sorry if canadians don't talk about that But I said look I said you come over here, right? You think it's one rule for you and one for the natives who live here And we start she laughed and she punched me in the arm and we had a conversation and it was fun So if I want to start a conversation with a random person I'll see how I can make it fun for myself how I can be You know amused by it because I always will find that It's more fun to start a conversation up with somebody in a supermarket not by going Wow, that looks like you've got a lot you're going to cook tonight It's more fun just to throw a banana in their shopping basket You know who just random banana throw a person or as I like to do Take your basket walk up to their basket go I don't be weird or anything but And then just take something out of the basket and put it in your basket Now you have to laugh afterwards A client of mine did that and went and ran off. She was like come back here She did fill an emotion though But that's what I'm getting at if you can make people feel emotions you're different from every other person in the room You get those emotions by feeling them first yourself. Now.  The only control I have is how I react to them It's not about Their reaction to me It's about my reaction to their reaction of me and my reaction is always going to be Frickin awesome You know the other day I was a friend of mine. He said listen. I need some help. Can you put up some shelving? Now I know I'm a charisma coach and I'm talking about shelving bear with me I said, yeah fine. I'll do that shelving job for you And I got his shelves and I took him out the paper and I was shocked They were glass. They were wire Possibly some UFO technology in there as well I just didn't know what I'd do with it now What I didn't tell him is I'd never put up shelves before and this thing was monstrosity But I thought okay, I'll give it a go because I'm reveling in the challenge play is all about Finding something that's a challenge And knowing you've got the skill to do it Now rather than knowing I had the skill to put up this shelf because I'd never put up a shelf before I just assumed it would be all right. It'd be fun So I was drilling my little holes. I put my shelf up and I tell you what it looked really good On the way home that night. I must admit I won't lie I was sitting on the train and I was having a little little sort of dream about Oh, those shelves are put up great and I was thinking about them And I thought to myself if I did that again, how would I put the shelves up differently? I thought oh I would drill the holes slightly closer together. So the shelves just sat in some sort of harmony rather than being a little bit skew with He never knew they were the first shelves. I put up sucks to be him And I realized that's the secret of all skill all natural skill that you build Doesn't come from you reading it in a book.  I've never been able to do But when you get good at anything, it's because you come away from every challenge and you think What went really well then? And you revel in it And what could I do better next time? What could I do better to improve?  I was drilling holes in all the wrong places Um, it was dust all over my face. It was just a mess But you know the image on the box like you sort of look at the box think that looks good And then you lower it and then the shelves will like That would have put me off I would have given up because I had that expectation that everything was going to go well Lose the expectations When you played as a kid you didn't have expectations you just enjoyed Revelling in the challenge you enjoyed the skill you enjoyed taking the risk So when I talk to people I don't look for the end result the end result means nothing Because I could go and talk to somebody and they could smile and they could laugh and I could come away thinking Wow, I did a good job there Or I could go and smile and talk to somebody and they could scow and I go wow I did bad there It doesn't matter. We don't know what sort of day they've been having. I can't base that On who I am as a person so What it really comes down to Is taking action Action is everything There's uh, I think Friedman said um An ounce of action is worth a ton of theory and he's completely right. Here's why Say I want to think to myself I'm the greatest conversation is the life Life will listen to me saying that and it will come down on its little cloud and see and say to me right He said you're the greatest conversation. It's alive. Let's see how good you are now And it put me in positions where I've got to have conversations with people I might be on the tube. I might be on the subway. I might be in the line at the coffee shop Life's putting all these opportunities for me to talk to people If I step up and I take the conversation and I do it and I open my mouth and I go oh I've taken action even though it could have been done better Yes, it could but I took the action and the action gives me a link of chain Every time I take action I get another link of chain Every time I don't take action Chain breaks Don't break the chain So what you need to do is find something you want whether it's to be the best soccer player Whether it's to be able to squat 100 kilograms Whether it's to just have a conversation with that girl in the coffee shop whatever it is Life will hear you when you want it and it will put you in a position when you can take action The result is meaningless Sometimes you'll get a result that you enjoy You know that girl might smile or she might give you her number You might lift 100 kilograms. That's great. The world patted you on the back then And that's nice when that happens But that's not consistent you can always pat your own back always That's what keeps you feeling good. That's what keeps you feeling happy And when you're feeling that kind of happiness, that's what comes out when you talk to people Because it's the emotions you make them feel my Thought is this The homework I want to give you Oh homework Or the plan of action I would give you is find something That you can play with that sounds a bit rude. No Because we can all do that No, what I was going to say Is the next time you're out in a situation and it could be out of this room It could be on the train home tonight. It could be in the bar tonight. It could be anywhere look for Look look at the room and think what could I do that's fun here? What would make me laugh? What would make you laugh? It's not about making other people laugh. It's about making you smile and do it so Uh for me it's being on a train And uh and realizing I've got a bottle of vodka in my pocket But I've put water in it And I'm thinking okay, this would be fun to see if I can empty this entire train carriage Unscrew the bottle say okay look around I Drink the vodka and put my hands over my eyes and go oh Two people get up and leave good good. This is good so far Thinking okay, and behind my face. I'm like How can I how can I get them all to leave? Start crying Fall over the person next to you That's just harmless My record is five minutes.  It's like Hey, we should go and talk to those people and your action is me It's just the feeling of me if you get a good result great if you get a bad result me It's not about going yeah, this is going to go amazing It's bullshit It's about walking up and just dealing with what happens and whatever does happen Know that you can deal with it and make it happy because life's going to throw you that stuff The world around you is going to throw stuff towards you to emotions towards you Got to grab them take them Be able to laugh at them I'm afraid them back A good friend of mine is the next speaker by called Sasha.   That's the most terrifying sandwich you'll ever ever buy But it's good news because every sandwich you now buy will be a luxury the food will taste better. It will be brilliant And they're like uh, that's extreme, but you're making them fill in emotion. You're different from every other person in the room so to me charisma It's just communicating with emotion now. There's ways to do that It's all about your belief It's knowing who you are. That's the ultimate question Who the heck are you? And even then the answer isn't something you'd maybe have with words I could say my belief in myself who I am is just that i'm cool or i'm awesome It could be but really do I even have to say that it's just about knowing I'm not going to look for evidence around me though Because the world is a chaotic place Just as I looked at my hand and you see this perspective and I see this perspective Everything that happens when I talk to people However, I look at it determines what evidence I take from it So whatever our belief is in ourselves it needs evidence to exist if we don't have that evidence You know if you've ever looked in the mirror and said I'm cool and awesome And then three weeks later, you're not feeling cool and awesome because you've got no evidence for it But the world is too chaotic to get the evidence. I think it's great when it happens and you get that great run And you talk to everyone and they love you and it's brilliant But it's not always going to happen. You're going to have those bad spells as well So it's up to you to create the evidence for yourself By how you interpret the world when it occurs So guess what i'm trying to say is this You're your own best teacher The reason you're your your own best teacher is the stuff that you find out the problems that you encounter when you find out the solution to them You own that knowledge Everything I found out. I've had to find out pretty much first hand But it comes part of me because of that In doing so in finding what it is The solutions to your problems In being your own best teacher um You become congruent with it You own that knowledge and that's what causes the change in you That's what causes us to all develop. Life is about learning and growing It's all the play that I ever do I learn from it and I grow from it and I always enjoy it Conversations for me Aren't stressy. They aren't horrible Anxiety occurs I still get it. I love it But rather than trying to blast through it Why would I do that? I'd rather just get addicted to it. So that's exactly what I do If I feel that uncomfortable feeling in my tummy I'm like awesome I'm gonna revel in it. I'm gonna turn the volume up in it. I'm gonna make it even worse So when I'm drinking that bottle of vodka on the train, that's making my tummy go even worse That's making my toes curl It's the people that are self-amused To have the most fun the risk is though The fear of looking insane Because you think okay if I act like a kid again if I'm playful if I slide down banisters If I start enjoying myself, what are other people gonna think?  It's what you think So I'm gonna open the floor to questions. You've been a A great audience Any questions? Yes, sir The orange Is were you listening the orange is your breakfast? What what the orange symbolizes is the juice that comes out the orange Yeah, and you You have emotions, right? But an orange is an orange. You can be whatever fruit you want to be that sounds a bit kinky Okay, what's the difference between charisma infuse as and infusiasm Uh, I think infusiasm is reveling in the challenge. I'm thinking you're gonna apply your skill to something You can be enthusiastic picking up a shelf You can be enthusiastic digging a hole charisma is about interacting with people About being emotionally contagious now infusiasm does create emotions in yourself and they do rub off But for me my my overall look at charisma is well, there's actually seven parts Isn't that always convenient and we're seven, but it's your belief your attitude to life Your spontaneity that's not running out of things to say Your charm, which is how you make people feel in your presence Your actual presence also Your ability to connect to people and lastly Your conversation skills in terms of rhetoric. So your ability to influence as you speak So I hope that helps so for me infusiasm is more about if you're going to jump into something So if I see that situation where oh god, there's somebody I can go and talk to Yep, let's give it a go Of course, that's going to carry off some emotion as I go Yes, sir Okay, excellent question. So you're you're saying how can you Start getting evidence for yourself that you're awesome rather than waiting for the world to tell you that you're awesome Again, it comes down to how you look at the world if you want to do it straight away it's It's looking for the best in everything So in the situation I gave in the talk where the Ferrari is pulling along Our perspective generally is who's this guy who's just cut in front of everyone And now he's using the space of the ambulance But if we can be objective and say well, you know what from another perspective it could be that that guy's just in a mad rush and You know, there's no problem at all So a way I look at it is this um Negative emotions are great Everyone says I'll be positive. Yeah positive emotions are awesome as well But you're born with negative emotions for a reason for starters. It's where all humor comes from You know, if we had no negative emotions comedy would be boring as The trick though is to turn the negative stuff when it happens into a positive So the way I love doing that is playing that game from the polyana book is just thinking that's great because Um, for example, I step outside and it starts pouring with rain. Oh, that's great. I could do with a shower I haven't had one for a few days Or let's say something more extreme happens. Let's say i'm unfortunate enough to get my leg blown off Could happen Hopefully not on this stage. It would be a bit of a death trap if it would but let's say I lose my leg and I hope I hope I do keep it But if it disappears Oh, well, at least my trousers last twice as long now or do you know what? I'm going to have the most convincing pirate impression you've ever seen I just need to lose this for a hook So it's how I interpret the world that keeps me upbeat and happy It's nice when the world pats us on the back.  How are you going to make that emotion as happy as possible? Can you turn it into a game? Can it be fun? Can it be like, oh, do you know what? I'm late for this meeting, but check me out.  All sadness exists in the past And all happiness exists right now in this moment and that's the only thing you own is just the moment Being aware of everything that's going on and enjoying every damn minute of it You'll know if you can do that or not if you can enjoy the moment Go somewhere that's completely boring go to a room with four white walls And sit in there and if you can be happy on your own In that room then you've cracked it you've mastered it Now that I think about it a lot of insane people get put in four walls Wait a minute, there's a bit of correlation. Yes Oh, yeah, what about the the classic kind of charismatic bad boy type character? With you know, uh, sort of being a new reactive and that kind of thing Sure, um If you're that sort of persona if you're a bit of a bird boy Is that person first of all two questions is that person making the person he's speaking to fill in the motion? And two is he dealing with the emotions as they come as they come towards him? And I think the answer in both cases is yes So for example, he knows who he is in the world doesn't give a damn is just himself My intention is to always try and leave people better off than you meet them But you know, he goes in chats to somebody gives the girl butterflies. Maybe and then Um, you know, she gives him a slap. I don't know. It's just I'm reactive to it So he's deciding how he's going to filter the emotions when they get given to him Yes, sir You mentioned your book earlier on what's it called and where can you get it from? Okay, uh, I'm a terrible marketer. So if I was better, I'd be selling that and going and you can buy my 89 dvd Set but um, my book is free and it's from my website your charisma coach com And that will tell you all the techniques that I used to become a better conversationist But the emotions are everything conversation and the ability to talk to people. It's a bit like a water slide The flume allows the water to go down the slide, right? And that's the conversation the water itself is the emotion If you've got a slide with no water, you get a really sore bum Or if you've got the water and no slide, that's called a waterfall So the ability to connect to people you need the conversation to a point because it allows you that That channel of communication the emotion you then put down it is everything Fill that emotion yourself first So guys It's been an absolute pleasure Thank you very much


Gaf y golyst draw this afternoon, a pwynt ond y bobl, what we thought so on the game? It's a little bit of a carbon copy of a few other games we've had recently, the draws especially, before the last two league games where I think we've been the better team, I think we've had the better opportunities, not a real glutful, but certainly the better ones, apart from one header from a set piece from them, which I'm obviously comfortably safe, there was no, we defended really well, but when we had the opportunities we just couldn't get that final touch, or when we did the keepers behind it and we didn't show the required quality to score. I felt it was a game that we should have won, won them, and a tight game that was in our favour, but we just haven't managed to get that goal. It's difficult, isn't it, when you're looking at games and we are creating openings, albeit maybe not loads and loads of play of cut chances, but we have enough in us to win these games and we just aren't able to. Do you feel we're making progress in a sense where we've got plenty of players available in those attacking areas and we've done the work that we've done in January to improve that situation? It's just a case of taking it game by game and keeping going and trying to do what we can with that. Yeah, we can't feel sorry for ourselves and sit back and hope for luck. We have to make it happen ourselves and that comes from training, from practice, from belief, from a commitment to it and I'll see the players that are committed. I can see that and they're not holding back on anything. It's just I know over time pressure amounts, it could be in your own head, but we just need one to go in and we snowball from there, hopefully certainly if it's a leading goal, but we haven't been in that situation much in the league in the last five or six games. It's always been us chasing and I think it's a story of our season, really probably from the first couple of weeks where Bradford City has been chasing and that just pulls on more pressure throughout the season. So we have to fight to get out of it as in our quality in the final third because our defensive structure is good. I think our build-up play in the last two games has been really good. I think we've mixed up our play, we've played through the midfield, we've hit switches, we've got the opposition more things to deal with, but we're just not getting those goals when we have the opportunities. So that's what we have to continue to work on without losing that defensive side of it because we now have a settled squad now because we're out of January and now we can really get down to work with what we know will be the squad for the next four months.  We did everything we could to obviously win the game, but to have these options at your disposal is probably a positive moving forward, isn't it? Yes, 100% and we worked hard in January, we dismissed a lot of bids for Jay Young to keep him here. We brought in Tyree, unfortunately lost him after one game, but he should be available again, we've brought in Calum Caverna. So we've tried to improve that firepower that we have up front with the quality we already had, but we don't have them all together at the same time, we don't have them all up to speed because we've only just got our hands on them. We're still missing people like Jamie Walker and Alex Patterson who are other goal threats that we might have eventually, but I still believe that we have enough quality in the 18 that we had today to go and score. So January can be a really disruptive time for everybody, I've been looking over the shoulder who's coming in or looking outside who's possibly going out, but now we have to settle down and focus on what people like that, real good quality, to come off the bench, improve on quality, to come off the bench and help us try and win games. But that's probably, we haven't always had that, so we'll keep working with the players now, keep them believing and if we get that one goal, that one win, I think it could trigger a really good response from the players. On a positive note, a clean sheet and probably one of our more strongly defensive performances today as well do you think? Yeah definitely, I was also pleased with it because it was the same guys who ran hard on Tuesday in a tough game and a tight game and they've gone out and done it again. I think the consistency of the back lads has been pretty much on the whole, very good. Same as midfield, I just think we need to add and I include the defenders in this, the intense score. I think the intense score is there from the forwards, I think we need to add that from the defenders when they go up for set pieces. But we just need that final bit of quality when we get in the final third to make that breakthrough on. We know that there's difficult moments during games, but by far I think today clearly we were the better team and should have won. But listen, we can't keep saying it and not doing it, that's the reality.