Okay, I'm gonna before we get started. I know we are just about to get started here, but I want to also give our Attendees anyone who's part of an applicant team that would like to test their sound Could you please raise your hand within zoom and we can get a sound test? Okay, I have first up Doug Hilberman correct sound check Sounds good. Thank you. Thank you And for all of those who are doing sound checks if you can please keep yourself muted unless it's in the appropriate time that would be helpful and we have And just make sure I'm clarifying here The only sound checks that we're doing at this time are for people who are part of an applicant team on this meeting Next up we have Andy Bordessa soundcheck sounds good. Thank you and Maria Marisol baby Okay Maria want to let you know you might want to go ahead and dial the information on the agenda on Your phone because I have a prompt letting me know that The version of zoom that you're using is not going to allow you to Your sound to be enabled on this So go ahead and use the information the toll-free number that you see on your screen to dial in on a telephone and We can get your sound enabled that way Let's try John Shapiello I don't know if I'm pronouncing your name correctly sound check for you John. I'm not hearing anything Maybe look for your sound in your settings there This is Matt. This is Matt Capiello. Can you hear me? We can it sounds a little echoey, but as long as there's no feedback, we should be alright Yeah, we have two going on in the same office.  Okay, that would be good. Yeah, okay, and we have a phone caller. So hopefully Our attendee that was trying to check her sound Hi, Kimberly. Just give me a heads up when Everybody's had a chance to test and and we're ready to begin. Please. Okay. Thanks. Looks like just a couple more might cook Yes, we can thank you and just want to make sure we clarify these sound checks are for our applicant team Not for public comment for applicant team Edith Diaz It looks like you're unmuted. I want to go ahead and get it. Oh, no. Now you're muted Edith Can you hear me? Yes, I can hear you. Okay. Thanks Okay, so for those who did sound checks if you can keep yourself muted until it's appropriate for you to the timing is The right timing that would be helpful Otherwise I can also Mute if there turns out to be too much Background noise in the meeting and Then the last thing that we want to announce is that This meeting is being translated into Spanish so to access a Different language and even this initial message will also be translated to access The Spanish translation you want to find the toolbar on your computer It's probably at the bottom of your screen Maybe the top of your screen and there's a globe icon that you can click to enable the Spanish translation So now I'm gonna allow our interpreter to deliver that message to all of our attendees as well Que tal muy buenos días habla el intérprete para las personas que están participando en esta reunión del Administrador de sonificación y que necesitan interpretación en español pueden accesar el canal de Interpretación en la parte baja de su computadora o su teléfono en la barra de funciones Encuentre icono globo o el mundo terráqueo haga clic en esto y escoja su idioma en este caso es en español Se le pide por favor también que mantenga su micrófono apagado hasta que se le pida hablar gracias okay, so our interpretation is functioning and Zoning administrator means we're ready to get started Excellent, thank you recording secretary Kimberly Good morning everyone. I'm Sherry Mead zoning administrator and I'd like to call to order the September 1st 2022 zoning administrator meeting at 1036 a.m Pursuant to government code Section five four nine five three e and the recommendation of the zoning of the Sonoma County health officer The zoning administrator will be facilitating this mea meeting via zoom webinar members of the public can participate virtually at www.zoom.us forward slash join Or by calling toll free 877 853 five two five seven Using meeting ID number eight eight zero nine five four nine two eight six nine Members of the public accessing the meeting through zoom can provide comments during the public comment periods additional information related to meeting participation is available at www.srcity.org forward slash zoning admin The meeting is also being live streamed at on YouTube at HTTPS colon forward slash forward slash www.youtube.com Forward slash city of Santa Rosa We're now going to open a public comment period for non-agenda items This is an opportunity to address matters within the purview of the zoning administrator that are not on today's agenda Public comment will also be accepted after each of the regularly scheduled items So this period is for anyone who has something within the zoning administrator's purview that is not on today's agenda Each speaker will be given three minutes to speak and recording secretary hopwood will provide instructions now on how to make a comment Thank you zoning administrator means I'm looking at our list of attendees And I want to Be very clear for everyone that this is for non agenda public comment This is for public comment for items that are not listed on the agenda If you have a public comment for an item that is on the agenda for today There will be a different time for that public comment Excellent. Thank you recording secretary hopwood We we do have one hand raised. Oh, excellent, and I think we'll need to make sure also through our interpreter that I'll I'll unmute this attendee and If we need Spanish to English translation, then we will our interpreter will Be able to reverse that Spanish to English translation So I'll be a I've enabled your sound Elvia advert Alvarez If your public comment is for something on the agenda, please lower your hand Yes, we can hear you Hola como sasa que se puso nombre de mi esposa. Yo soy José Luis Thank you Y estoy hablando porque yo tengo negocio en el 415 de la Santa Rosa venida es una feria Y ustedes tienen tan planeando poner una una taco truck en a un lado de mi de mi negocio Entonces yo tengo por aquí 20 años trabajando muy duro con la pandemia muchas horas Y no se me hace justo que quieran hacerme esto porque me están afectando me van a afectar mucho mi negocio entonces Permiso permiso permiso permiso por favor Parece como su habla de algo que es es en esta Reunion después O después hay a que horas de ser por que después durin si a que horas para hacer I I numerose Un momento o sea yo pensé que era específicamente para eso Ok entonces necesito esperar más en la linea Humberto I wonder if you you mentioned that you could Flip back and forth but I've flipped the Spanish translation I believe on the channels from Spanish back to English this does keep us zoning administrator means that this keeps us on a different channel from the interpreter so it's going to be hard To hear from him and Hopefully he's able to let the applicant know or I can disable the interpretation so that we can all hear each other Well, I just I'm just I don't want to proceed without making sure everyone is getting their needs met right So is the interpreter speaking with the community member at this point? To clarify that I believe he was asking about information about the Project on 505 Santa Rosa Avenue is he well The part that I was able to tell him is that I believed he was his comment was for an item later in the meeting and he questioned when it is in the meeting Okay, let's see if I can disable the language feature And I mean the translation and then we can be able to hear from our translator. Thank you Hi, everyone. This is the interpreter I was talking to Jose on the other line so he could hear me the Spanish channel and he Understand that this issue is part of the agenda now. He's going to wait his turn. I was able to communicate that to him. All right Perfect. Thank you so much. Thank you Okay, I'll go ahead and enable the functionality again and we can go ahead and continue with our agenda zoning administrator means so that was the only Public comment request that was the only hand that we had raised. Yes or non agenda items excellent I'm going to go ahead and close the public comment period for non agenda items and Item three on the agenda is the zoning administrator business which includes the zoning administrator statement of purpose the zoning administrator is appointed by the Planning and Economic Development Director and has the authority to conduct public meetings and hearings and To take action on applications for minor discretionary projects a Determination or decision by the zoning administrator May be appealed to the design review board cultural Heritage Board Planning Commission or City Council as applicable to the decision There are no zoning administrator reports or consent items today So I'll skip to item five on the agenda, which is regularly scheduled items and Before we get started on item 5.1. I'd like to let community members who are here for item 5.3 Which is a minor conditional use permit for a mobile food vendor at 505 Santa Rosa Avenue that we received a community member request to elevate this item to a public hearing So this item will be renoticed and rescheduled as a public hearing for a date to be determined Our first regularly scheduled item is a minor hillside development permit for a detached garage the project file is HDP 19-019 and the presenting planner is senior planner Monet Shekali Thank You money. Thank you and good morning The project let me start sharing my screen before I start Just a second. Sorry money. I'm I'm I need to oh there you go. Okay Good good to go. Yes. Okay, so Okay, the first public hearing of today and only public hearing actually It's a minor hillside development permit for the property located at 2808 Canyon Side Drive before I start my presentation. I'm just gonna give you a brief history of this project This project was submitted in 2019 and the applicant and the property owner have designed a An ADU with a garage that the garage had three doors or four doors It was a big garage and the neighbor Requested but let me get back a little bit The project was scheduled in 2020 for a z-a meeting But neighbors requested public hearing for the project at that time neighbors in the subdivision found out that There is a arc review committee that have to review the project before the property owner move forward the project So the project before you after two years almost being reviewed by the arc review committee for the subdivision And the applicant has submitted the revised project So the reason that there was took project two or three years to go before Before a z-a because their new committee for the subdivision had to review the proposal and the applicant had revised project a few times So I'm going to show about show you the proposed project so the proposal is for a 1388 square foot garage and 1118 square foot access it willing to meet Just to let you know that the ADU's are exempt from any planning entitlement and the project before you It's a hillside permit for the proposed garage not the ADU Here is where the project is located The zone for this parcel is our arch with our r40 It stands for rural residential and the general plan language is very low-density residential and here is a closer view of the parcel the yellow Square at the left side The right side is where the property the proposed garage and ADU will be located currently There's a playground there and it's a pretty flat area and Here is a topo map that also shows location of the proposed structure and As you can see a majority of the site is where the proposed structure is located is flat is less than 10% Some corners and the driveway will be placed an area that is low more than 10% This is the upside down site plan But the site plan shows the proposed garage with the ADU and the extension of the driveway Which will provide access to the garage So the applicant is converting the existing garage for the dwelling unit Which is on the first floor to a game room and they are adding this new garage For the existing dwelling unit And here is a view from the street the X mark on the left side is where the ADU and the garage will be placed Here is a proposal with two-door garage the previous one as I mentioned I think it was four-door garage and The design review committee said that the proposal does not give you the CC and our sport as software vision and the applicant had to revise the proposed project So this is the final proposed project with two-door garage and the ADU And since the notices were sent out and the onsite sign was posted I have not received any comments or concerns from the neighbors about this proposed project And the project has been viewed in compliance with the California Environmental Quality Act and qualifies for a class 3 exemption In that the project consists of the construction of an accessory structure And that planning and economic development department recommends that the zoning administrator by resolution approve a minor no site development for the property located at 2808 Canyon Drive The applicant is also available if you have any questions and I'm also available for any questions And that was my presentation. Thank you Okay, it looks like Perhaps our zoning administrators having a little technical difficulty Hello Oh, there you are. Oh, I apologize. Um, I didn't unmute myself Okay, and I couldn't see myself. So I didn't realize that um So thank you Thank you, senior planner chicale. I would like to um, I don't have any questions for you or the applicant But as a public I would like to open the public hearing and open public comment for this item So if anyone has any questions comments concerns now would be the time to share them And we can address them. So uh, recording secretary, uh, hopwood, would you be able to explain to folks how to raise their hand again and Make a comment if they would like certainly We have a couple of options or making public comment One of them is to find the raised hand feature on the toolbar Of your computer if you're logged in on a computer The other is if you have called in on a phone And you would like to make a public comment for this item press star nine that will Let me see that your hand is raised in the meeting and I'll be able to get your sound Enabled So either the raised hand or star nine and first of all we have Richard von felt I'm going to send you a prompt richard Good morning everyone. Can you hear me? Yes, we can Hey fantastic. Happy thursday everyone. My name is richard von felt happy to be here with you. Thank you for having this this meeting I'm one of the architectural review committee members. We have four in our subdivision want to just thank the brownlies first of all for For all of their hard work and and working with the neighbors and ourselves and making Making the The designs fit in with our cc and rs And we we love having them as neighbors we Had to go back and forth quite a bit because we had not had a structure of this size placed And any of the properties in many many many years and so to those neighbors who are right next to the adu Which is both a garage as well as an adu of a fairly large size Was was creating alarm But of course it's in the rights of our wonderful neighbors to do this and we want to support them and and having their dream Uh, we had I just one had one follow-up comment Which was that in order to fit fit in with our cc and rs. We're only allowed to have three garage bases so the brownlies It was named as two. There's actually um the two The larger garage space you saw in the drawing That mone showed it was actually a two-car garage with a one-car garage to the left of it So it's actually three total Although it's two spaces With lots of spaces for cars Uh in in those garage bases, which is just good for them But the other part of the agreement was that the brownlies were to They're filling in their existing three-car garage that's in their main house And we didn't see that in the proposal showed to this public caring, but that's uh part of our agreement with our With our owners and the brownlies that they are and also going to be Filling in their existing three-car garage that they have a total of three and and also, you know Not running any commercial businesses on the property which to which they've Assured us that's not happening and and I fully believe that So i'm just wondering um if that Part of the drawing could be shown today so that we can all rest assured that that is part of the plan moving forward And that is the only comments I needed to make again, I want to just thank the brownlies for For working with our review committee and I do want to just note that you know, it is uh while we're moving forward because it's it's the right thing to do it's also it is uh Is going to be met with Uh some pushback from a lot of neighbors Nonetheless, it's it's just a big big big uh dwelling that's going on this property, but uh, But it's certainly in and uh our good friends, you know, right to do so It's all the comments I have Thank you, mr. Von Felt Before I direct the um Senior planner and or the applicant to respond to that. Are there any other questions or comments about this project? I don't see any additional hands. It's not even mr. Termini Thank you recording secretary hopwood so um senior planner monisha collie and or applicant for this project, would you be able to address mr ron pelt's comments and or concerns I can't answer the conversion of the garage So the conversion of the existing garages to a living space or game room is not subject to a hillside for me However, I have a plans or elevation. I can't show the proposal I did not include the conversion on the power point because it's again not part of the hillside for me But let me just share the plans That shows the conversion So here is the existing house the lower level which used to be a garage is going to be converted to the game room and that's the Probably plan or elevation the neighbor was asking about it I hope that answers the question Excellent. Yes, and the city doesn't enforce HOAC CNRs, but I homeowner association Covenants conditions and restrictions. However, I like to see that We're able to la any fears related to that conversion at this time So I I'm able to make all necessary findings for the to approve this project. I also appreciate the the applicant and the Design review team working together over this period of time to come up with something that satisfies both That's in the spirit of of community and that that makes me very happy to see I'm the siting of the proposed garage takes advantage of an area on the parcel which is already flat for the most part As you pointed out in your excellent presentation. So that makes this much easier to approve And the areas that are Greater than 25 percent or more slow. They don't interrupt the view of a skyline From any major public viewpoint. I also appreciate that no trees will be removed for this project So I will be approving this project. Please note this action is final Unless an appeal is filed with the city clerk's office within 10 calendar days Of today's decision, which would be monday september 12th 2022 So i'm going to close the public hearing for that item And then before moving on to item 5.2 I want to again mention for any community members in attendance for item 5.3 Which is a mobile food vending minor conditional use permit at 505 santeroza avenue That it will be the item that item will be continued to a later date And renoticed and rescheduled as a public hearing So item 5.2 is minor design review for the cherry ranch subdivision at 9 30 fresno avenue Pursuant to the city's resilient city development measures this project qualifies for zoning administrator design review After receiving concept design review by the city's design review board and this took place on august 20 2020 City file number is prj 20 dash 018 And dr 20 dash 0 6 0 And the presenting planner is senior planner connor mckay Good morning everybody. Um Thanks for the introduction. This is connor mckay planner with the planning division Let me share my screen and initiate the staff presentation All right, so yes as mentioned this is a request for minor design review for the cherry ranch subdivision located at 9 30 fresno avenue So the project proposes to construct 67 single family dwellings that is 62 single family attached as Duplexes and five single family detached dwellings in a small lot subdivision located at 9 30 fresno avenue The project is located in the southwest quadrant of the city of santeroza Near the intersections of sabastopol road and fresno avenue The zoning district is r16 for single family residential development and the general plan land use designation is medium low density residential A bit of project history. So a pre application neighborhood meeting was held on july 31st 2019 And at that time the project proposed 83 residential units spread across single family detached and multifamily apartments The project then received received concept design review by the design review board on august 20th 2020 This project proposal was reduced from the previously proposed 83 residential units to 67 residential units And these units are proposed to be spread across single family detached and single family attached units The project formally applied for tentative map and conditional use permit applications for the small lot subdivision on october 20th 2020 And those requests were approved by the planning commission on june 9th 2022 In that approval included the adoption of an addendum for the chair ranch subdivision project Approval of the conditional use permit for a small lot subdivision And finally the approval for the tentative map to subdivide the parcel into 67 lots I'd like to reiterate that the concept design review process allows for the design review board to provide a tentative reaction and non-binding comments and suggestions and advice related to the design of the proposed project But like I said, these comments are not binding as is Established by the zoning code So a bit of details about the small lot subdivision So typically the r1 six zoning district would establish a minimum lot size of 6000 square feet Um, this project did receive approval of a minor conditional use permit to allow the creation of a small lot subdivision Which allows the project to create parcels that range from 2300 and one to 5129 square feet Connor a project planner mckay Pardon me, please. Can I ask that you um slow down a bit so that our translator can keep up? Yeah, you want a fantastic job, but please can you slow down just a bit? Yeah, I will. Thank you for the reminder appreciate it um So as part of the small lot subdivision approval As is allowed by the zoning code the applicant requested a reduction of second story setbacks From eight feet to five feet for allots and reduction of rear yard setbacks From 15 feet to 10 feet on lots eight nine and 33 through 67 So to reiterate the project requested and was approved for a small lot subdivision via approval of a minor conditional use permit at the planning commission in june of this year Here we have the approved tentative map that shows the lot configuration and the internal circulation network for the project as well as Access points to the project to be a Fresno Avenue I will now flip through the designs the elevations of each of the unit types and I will defer specific response I will defer responses to specific questions about the design to the applicant team and their architect Okay planner mckay am I am I Am I needing to unmute anybody? I'm a little unclear Oh, no, no, I'm just flipping through the slides and then if there are questions Those would be directed to the architect on the applicant team. Thank you. I appreciate it. Thanks And then as far as the California Environmental Quality Act or CEQA So in april of 1994 the city council certified the southwest santa rosa area plan master environmental impact report to analyze the impact of implementing the southwest santa rosa area plan The subsequent EIR for this area plan Analyzed the environmental impacts of a 39 unit residential development to be located at the project site in may of 2006 So for the purposes of the sherry ranch subdivision project which poses 67 residential units The planning commission adopted an addendum to this subsequent environmental impact report to analyze the environmental impacts of this project In compliance with the californian environmental quality act guidelines section 15164 Which concludes that with the incorporation of mitigation measures found in the mitigation monitoring and reporting program associated with the subsequent environmental impact report the project would not cause new significant environmental impacts Or substantial increases in the severity of significant effects beyond those previously identified As a result of the notice of public hearing for the planning commission hearing that took place in june of this year We received a few letters of concern related to Potential drainage issues encroachment onto neighboring property removal of existing fencing As well as increased regional water demand as a result of the project and general affordability concerns We also received a letter With concerns related to biological impacts noise speed on fresno avenue and city utility connection As a result of the distributed notice of public meeting for this zoni administrator meeting For the minor design review approval associated with the project. We received another letter requesting Some initiation of the connection of city utilities and this person has been referred to The water engineering department which should be reaching out to them this week or or next week And with that the planning and economic development department recommends that the zoni administrator by resolution Approve the minor design review for the cherry ranch subdivision a 67 lot subdivision Located at 930 fresno avenue file number prj 20-018 Um Following my presentation. We have the vice chair of the design review board Michael birch who will provide a summary of the concept design review board concept design review comments present provided by The design review board as part of the process for this project And then following that summary we'll have the applicant Discuss their considerations of those suggestions And city staff is available for any questions at this point if there are any I will defer project design related Questions to the applicant team for response Thank you senior planner mckay. Can we go back to the slide that had the public comments? Are these Anything that you would address or would you prefer the applicant team address them? These were all addressed in the planning commission meeting. Okay, planning commission hearing. Um, and I believe the Questions related to drainage and encroachment and fencing have all been resolved um, and then I spoke to the water demand and affordability and other environmental, uh concerns In that hearing as well And then as far as the city utility connection that is An interest from a resident To connect to city water, but it is not directly related to this project But i'm hoping that we can initiate that process Alongside the improvements made to fresno avenue to avoid Potentially Destructing a street that was recently improved as part of the effort to connect to city water Excellent and and it's important to point out that the purview of the zea at this meeting is simply the um architectural design And landscape all of the other items have been addressed as connor planner senior planner connor mckay has addressed So I just want to make everyone feel hopefully comfortable with the fact that these have the Community's voice has been heard and addressed in in other projects And I want to thank vice chair birch from the design review board for joining us now Yeah, just quickly zea means and and uh Planner mckay This is the third one of these that i've done so we're sort of we're finding a way to you know get the drb Injected back into this process for some assistance to to the um To the process I have been typically seeing if what I think the applicant presentation and addressing Comments from their end and and and having that presentation Proceed mine has been helpful because there's a lot of boxes that get checked And and I try to sort of clean up with any other questions that come from that So if you if I would propose if you don't mind that maybe we do it in that order I think that's how we've done it and it's been successful I don't know how chair weigel has done it say when he's covered these meetings But I would respectfully ask that maybe we reorder that and I would go Give my comments After that the applicant presentation That that's absolutely acceptable If if the applicant is prepared to do their presentation now, let's jump to that. Thank you And just to clarify do not believe the applicant has a presentation and it'll just be Providing just some comments and descriptions and summary great Administrator meets I My name is Doug Hillperman. I'm the president of axi-architects and As connor mentioned, I don't I figured do we do just a brief verbal presentation as opposed to a slideshow to address just a brief summary for Our purposes and vision for the project and then also a quick description addressing some of the design review comments in terms of how they've been analyzed for potential incorporation into the project Before I get into that. Let me also introduce we had the team here available for question and answer Andy Bordessa principle of civil design consultants Michael cook principle of the type of landscape architects and the owners Or from the owner team Matt and john capiello So all of us are available for question and answers after our presentation here In terms of a brief summary just for vision The design objective for this project was to create an efficient attractive single family workforce housing project at an accessible price The project is an infill residential development project comprised of one story and two story homes and as planner connor Mentioned it was envisioned originally in the southwest area plan as well The the housing design provides a variety in the massing and interface with the street We've got options for some of the floor plans to offer the capability to include an office or fourth bedroom Each of the single family homes is supported by about 400 square feet of private yard and garage Roof lines siding paint and window styles provide the variety within the different unit types for their interest to the overall development In response directly to the concept design review comments and I was asked by a planner connor to address these I'll just go through each one of these briefly The request for more vibrant colors We've identified some basic color palettes as earth tones We would welcome the freedom to kind of rotate between colors We have light and dark colors that could be rotated between between field colors and accent colors But we've tried to put together colors that we believe work well together for the overall project We've stayed with earth tones because the adjacent development at courtside village Very much stays within those kind of neutral colors With most of the houses that are fronting our adjacent property here Increase of windows and looking at skylights We reviewed this comment, but we actually believe that the current design has no dark rooms Basically each bedroom living room and dining room Has two full windows which which is approximately 20 square feet worth of light going into each one of these when Each one of these rooms And so from that standpoint that that we believe is ample lighting if we start providing more windows than that I think we'll probably start having problems with furniture layouts within the rooms adjacent to Windows there so we do believe that the two windows per room For the bedrooms dining room and living room is is ample Skylights we I hate to say it but tend to avoid those in small lot subdivisions Since the code started requiring reserving space for solar arrays up on the roof We're very much fans of future solar arrays and and the future solar array designation Is required for the building permits but But what ends up happening particularly once you get ridges and gables and valleys in there Is that skylights become very difficult once you designate that additional space for the solar array? so again because we believe we've got about 20 square feet with Glazing and natural light coming into bedrooms dining rooms and living rooms We felt that that was ample within the room. So did not see the need to add the skylights Uh the next item that came out of design review was considered livability versus meeting standards And we did do some modifications since concept design review most specifically in regards to fresno avenue Some of the Conversation was really about the fact that there was a continuous set of fencing running along fresno avenue And thinking about the livability of the community. They're not just our development We did flip the A units that face on to or were adjacent to fresno avenue facing on to fresno avenue And this would be lots 51 through 58 So that we still access the garages from within the development But the entry door is now Focus out on to fresno avenue So we've got both eyes on the street as well as an inviting side of the development facing to the The rest of port side village there adjacent on the other side of fresno avenue So we believe this helps with some of the livability In addition to that, I would say internal to the units. We have very generous room sizes for What is typical of small lot subdivisions? We also have front yards and backyards to each of these units So I think from a livability standpoint, we believe with those modifications. We've really addressed that item Uh, the next item that came out of the concept design review consider adding windows to the garage doors All of our garage doors at this point have a glazing strip across them and those are shown on those elevations That planter mckay had had shown to you there. So we we appreciated that feedback and have incorporated that Then make fences more interesting and add variation and fenestration to the front elevation In regards to the fencing now, we have two types of fencing good neighbor fencing with lattice Good neighbor fencing without lattice. They're both identified for six foot heights We also have two types of screening rails of the porches with vertical balustrades and then with horizontal white rails So we tried to add a little bit of interest in those areas to provide that variety and then within fenestrations We have multiple styles of mullions and also some with with more modern glazing without mullions To add some interest as it relates to the windows as well so That I believe Is is a summary of how we've tried to address and analyze The comments coming out of concept design review and which ones we believe were appropriate to integrate into the project With that that concludes The items I wanted to touch on I would like to offer the owners just an opportunity in case they had a comment they wanted to add But otherwise we'll hand it back over to you there That sounds great Thank you Mr. Hilberman do the owners have they raised their hand or given an indication so that Recording secretary kimberley would be able to allow them to speak If they would like there is they do not have to Okay, it looks like we have a raised hand from john capiello And I just want to remind all of our participants in the meeting today that Since the meeting is being translated We would really as a courtesy to our translator appreciate it if everyone could speak Just much slowly than we normally speak that would make it much nicer. We appreciate that Okay, mr. Capiello Can you try your sound?  Oh now it looks like you're unmuted. Give it a try Yes, we can but if you're logged in on more than one device you're gonna want to make sure you mute the other one or Maybe go take it to another room. Can you hear us now? Yes, that's fine. Thank you Well, this is matt capiello John is my partner and also a gentleman named bill was a bill was actually involved in this Uh in the early thoughts on that was a smaller single family to catch development And um, I just want to First of all, I acknowledge all the work that doug and andy have done on our behalf to get and and then Connor came into the This whole thing pretty late And worked Very hard to get done in a timely manner so we could get to this point. So I want to thank them We can wish we bought this property from the previous owners in 2018 not long after the tragic fires that occurred and We thought we could one of the reasons why we went from the single family detached to a little bit more against development was because obviously there's a need for housing and in san losa unfortunately the pandemic caused everybody to Uh, slow down and delay and here we are a few years later finally getting to the When we could start building perhaps uh We think you know our intention is to To have a product that's going to be affordable a few You know, you're going to be in the 750 to 850 price range. I think and I say I think because as we've gone through these years There's been sort of the price increases in the cost of materials in the way Uh, you know That uh experience So here every comparison places that all of those categories uh would Sheep So To this Excuse me.  We're having a really hard time with the audio It's it's sounding very muffled And very quiet. So that combination makes it very difficult to hear and understand I'm wondering if there's a way to move closer to the microphone Or because we we definitely want to hear your Your comments, but is this any better? Absolutely better. Thank you Well, that was that was a real, uh Maneuvering on our part. I moved closer to the speaker and my son moved farther away So Anyway, I'm glad it's better. Um, I don't know where To go back to the repeat or whatever. Perhaps you can help me with that If you could start back up from the point when you talked about 2018 Oh, okay. Well 2018 is when we acquired the property from the previous owners And obviously that was right after the fires that occurred in the eastern part of actually in Center central part of Santa Rosa. So, you know, uh, there was an obvious need for this housing and one of the reasons why we increased from There previously approved. I think it was 39 detached homes to This level was because there was a need and So we started back then in 2018 then what happens is The pandemic comes and everything slows down And here we are today and as I said very thankful to Connor and Andy for their perseverance on our behalf Also going along with this we Our applications To the regional water board have been reviewed and they publicly noticed for certification and We've all already acquired the credits that They are required for wetlands and so forth So The only other thing I can add is that Um We are currently gathering estimates of our cost and we've had a good idea all along but But in the last couple of years there's been at least a 30 percent increased in the cost of materials and labor and We're trying to factor that into Our budgets, of course, and that's going to help us determine what the ultimate sale prices will be But our tendency is to keep them very reasonable And and Being that category. I don't know what else to say That's really all I have in terms of background. Maybe maybe have questions from me directly No, I I appreciate the background and history on the site and what it's taken to get to this point. So I I do appreciate that Does john mr. Capiello have anything to say? Now he needs to move closer to the microphone, please No, thank you. I do not have more to add right now. Perfect. Thank you Well, now we will turn it over to vice chair of the designer review board mr. Birch Great. Thanks all. Thanks Doug for the great rundown on the updates and I'll compliment the ownership team and the design team For the project that that is here. I think it was well received at the designer review concept hearing And the improvements that have been made I have really, you know Improved something that was off to a great start. I'll make a couple of quick comments It's a project in a in an area that we need I appreciate that it's that it's a little denser than single family homes These are the kind of projects that need to get approved and and and Get get going. So hope hope to see this being constructed soon The couple of comments that I do have The color the color palettes look great colors really subjective. I think your selections are super I did notice a slightly lighter tone to A couple of the schemes, which was one of the things that the the drb had asked I think there's a nice variety here that to the comment that was made by the board at the time Was, you know, create enough differentiation that there's a feeling of homeownership based on a variety and A variety of models with a variety of color schemes that sort of thing. So I think that was achieved here. I think the the windows are fine. I understand not adding Skylights, I think that this is not a that I'm not sure I I don't know where the comment was made. I didn't watch the full video But this is not a project that is looking You know under windowed from an elevation perspective and taking a look at the room plans It's nice and open. So I thought that one of the best responses and changes that you made Was definitely turning units 51 and 58 out to Fresno. I think that's going to create a fantastic Impression of the project as a whole. I think it I think it it breaks down the Perception of sort of walled subdivisions even just to have that piece turned out And so I think that's an excellent response to that comment Responding to the garage doors is great. I know The designer view board has been getting letters from the public regarding You know Approving projects with less parking in tandem garages because the garages are all full of stuff So I'm sensitive to and I think the board is sensitive to making sure That there's some enforceability of HOa requirements for parking in the garage rather than having things in the garage So I think that not only is it attractive I think it's also very very functional towards something that we really need to think about as we're Dedicating less space to parking and more space to living In and more area in projects to living space So I think overall this is an excellent response to the design review comments and from the design review side It'd be very supportive of the approval of the project based on What has been Submitted here by the applicant Excellent. Thank you so much vice chair birch and and I want to echo your sentiments. I Especially appreciate flipping those units to have the front Be a welcoming environment on Fresno Avenue. I did have a question about this unit B color is subjective Are these placed in such a way that it's not going to be a long line of very dark units? I feel like unit B2 is a little bit darker than the others, especially with the trim Um I just would appreciate a little bit of clarity and and And reassurance that they'll be broken up enough to where this this won't The the slightly darker tone to this unit won't won't become an uh A visual unpleasantness in the in the development itself Um, I do have a question about one of the things I noticed you did switch out a couple of trees and I'm wondering if that was in response to the concerns about having certain tree species in the um The water retention areas or the drainage swales So if that if somebody could answer that question, I would greatly appreciate it and I do want to say that This is a completely appropriate location It was designed to be a residential spot way back in the southwest area plan So it's a it's a good good use of that space. It's approved For that use and and it's a very attractive project. I just wanted to ask those A couple of questions, um, but I will be approving this project. So just a little clarity, please Thank you, uh zea needs, um in response to the question on the colors What we'd love to do if possible is ask for just the freedom to rotate between the colors on these palettes We may use some of the lighter colors. So the whites are off whites, perhaps as the field color Rotating between these colors, um as as a way to provide the variety you're you're talking about Um, and then I'll let uh our landscape architect, uh, michael cook Respond to the question about the trees Hi, good morning. It's my cook with integra. Uh, we're the landscape architects on the project and the question regarding the trees, um Can you clarify the question when when the when you think the trees did change? Um, I don't recall the the trees are actually changing And i'm asking between what stages you already talked about design from concept design review to this point Correct the original plans. I believe the landscape showed ginkgo biloba and now it switched to chinese pistachio, I believe and there was, um one other Switch that that happened and I just was wondering if that was addressing There were some concerns expressed, um At the concept meeting about the selection of trees that would be placed in those areas and I I just I was giving I was trying to give you kudos for having made those changes If that's why they were made if they were just aesthetic, that's fine, too I love the selection of trees. I think they'll look beautiful. Um, was just trying to uh To give you a little extra kudos if that's why the the tree selection had changed. Okay. Thank you The the pistachio or the ginkgo to the pistachio is I think was based on Some comments, but also based on the space available for the root structure of the tree and the canopy of the tree Um, the pistachio is a much smaller stature tree But still provides the same color uh spring and fall And then I believe there are some questions about the height of the neighbor The neighbor fences and the external fences around the perimeter Between being six and eight feet can that be addressed what what the typical neighborhood fence between units would be So the the fencing itself is uh six feet tall um on the on the property between um This project and uh the one to view uh east uh in and the um Actual fencing type Is the good neighbor fence with two foot lattice. So you have a four foot solid. I'm sorry not true um the The actual fencing is the it's six feet tall With the lattice. So yes, I'm sorry. It is it is with the lattice. So it's six feet tall with the two foot lattice So four foot solid two foot lattice Excellent. Thank you so much. I appreciate all of that clarification And I do want to open this um item up for public comment So I'm going to open up the public comment period. Kimberly if you could let people know how to Um participate in public comment. That would be great. Thank you Okay, and note to our attendees. This is the time first A zoning administrator means can you hear me? Okay. I feel like I hit a sound setting in my headphone You sound loud and clear recording secretary. Okay. Thank you. Thank you. I just wanted to make sure Let our attendees know you can find the raise hand feature on the toolbar of zoom Or if you're calling in press star nine on your phone to make a public comment and that will Show me of the raised hand within zoom and um I'm gonna ask project planner mckay to take Take the screen share down because I'm gonna share a timer for our public comment And I do see at least one hand raised. So let me get the timer up And then I'll be able to I go over here Now to our participant. It's like we have a raised hand from michael ridder Michael I'll go ahead and send you a prompt and let me know if you can see the timer on your screen If I do three Okay, I'll go ahead and start that Um our our public comment is limited and I I do apologize to everyone Uh, this meeting has had a lot of moving parts. I know when we had public comment on that first item I neglected to use the timer But we'll go ahead and implement that for this item And uh, mr. Ritter go ahead Okay Thank you for this project The city needs it badly and I'm I'm all for it We live at the intersection of golem gate and fresno avenue Not far from the project And uh, I've written to email to You miss mckay twice to talk about the Well, the water line coming down further down fresno avenue so we could try to connect to it since we're on a well And uh, we're we're scared to death about losing our water And I never heard a word back, which is don't know you're busy So here I am What are the chances of this sewer line? 4 inch main I guess coming down further so we can connect to it and I don't know what we're gonna do if we lose our water. Is there any possibility of that? That's a question for miss mckay, I believe Is that is that all of your comment mr. Ritter? Well, that's that's enough. Okay. Thank you Thank you mr. Ritter for your comment I will defer to Senior planner connor mckay if he has any information about that Unfortunately, that is not part of the purview of this entitlement that I will be acting on today Excuse me, which is just design review, but as a courtesy, I'm hoping Planner mckay might have an answer Yeah, thank you. Is any administrator meets? Um, yeah, thanks michael. I'm sorry. I haven't gotten back to you yet But I did refer your question to water engineering, which would be the ultimate That's kind of department to respond to that inquiry and I think there would be some coordination with The project construction like I mentioned during my presentation that would assist in that Reducing the financial burden of that connection to city water, but that would be an independent application process that is not related to this specific entitlement as the zoning administrator Described so I will follow up with you after this meeting and we can initiate that conversation All right, sir. All right. Thank you for that very much Thank you, sir So if anybody else has a public comment, please feel free to raise your hand I don't see any other hands at this time. I mean administrator meets Excellent. Well, I will be approving this project and I would like to make sure it is conditioned so that there is flexibility in terms of how the units are painting So Connor if you could work on that and add something to the resolution I will be happy to sign the amended resolution allowing that freedom for the project. Thank you so much senior planner mckay Vice chair birch and the applicant team look forward to seeing this one bill And also zoning administrator meets I just would like to take a moment to disable the interpretation so that everybody can hear the same thing in the meeting And then offer the instructions for the translation one more time just to make sure that all of our attendees Are able to tune into the meeting in the language that's the most comfortable with before we move along in the agenda if that's okay Excellent. Thank you so much for a recording secretary hopwood Okay, so for our translator i'm going to Go ahead and disable that translation. We'll make that announcement in both english and spanish Let's do that So for all of our attendees we have two more items on our agenda And I wanted to take a moment to let everyone know we do have translation available in this meeting In a moment When I initiate that functionality You'll see a globe in the toolbar and the globe will enable you to choose your translation Um, so our interpreter can go ahead Yes Interpreter para las personas que que están en esta reunión tenemos dos temas más de interés que vienen Y para las personas que necesitan interpretación en español pueden accesar el canal de interpretación en la parte baja de su computadora En la barra de funciones encuentra el icono del globo o el mundo haga clic en esto y escoja su idioma en este caso será español Y se le pide por favor también que mantenga su micrófono apagado hasta que se le pida hablar I'm done kimberley. Okay. Thank you. I will turn that back on now Okay, we should be ready zoning administrator me Should I put the agenda back up? That would be fabulous. Thank you so much the only administrator hopwood Thank you so much. So As mentioned earlier in the meeting The next item which is item 5.3 for a minor conditional use permit at 505 santa rosa avenue to allow mobile food vending has been There's been a request to elevate it to a public hearing So this item will not be heard today, but will be rescheduled and renoticed as a public hearing prior to action on the minor conditional use permit application I would like to know if there have been any questions of our interpreter that we would need to address at this point If he could just add it in the chat, that would be fine Our raises hand if there is anything that we else that we need to address besides providing that information That this item has been continued and will be renoticed and rescheduled as a public hearing item so we we do have a couple of raised hands And from what I understand we can Have that we can reverse the translation basically, so let me go ahead and I have to stop my screen share, but let me go ahead. Okay So now let me go ahead and address these raised hands. Okay, vamos a las personas que han levantado su mano les van a dar la oportunidad de hacer comentarios en español si quieren hacer su comentario en español Tenemos a elvia alvarez elvia quieres hacer tu comentario We're not hearing elvia and A note to our interpreter We think elvia may be an applicant for the next item item 5.4 Elvia no te podemos escuchar tú eres una de las solicitantes para el próximo tema a discutir el 5.4 O quieres hablar sobre el 5.3 We still can't hear anything from elvia You know what let me if it's okay with our interpreter I'm going to go ahead and disable the channel system For this portion so that maybe that'll make it a little easier for us all And that's fine with me. Let's make sure she understands Community member alvarez understands how to unmute Interpreter can let her know how she can unmute elvia si estás teniendo problemas tratando de hablar a la mejor quizás tu micrófono Vas a ver una cámara y vas a ver uno que algo que parece un micrófono Prende el micrófono si tiene una línea roja a través de eso quiere decir que el micrófono está apagado Le click al micrófono y eso va a eliminar la línea roja y significa que tu micrófono está aprendido si es lo que estás de si tienes problemas con esto For a moment, let's go ahead and try a couple of these other raised hands Mr. Leon I'm going to unmute Mr. Arvayo If you could let him know perhaps Arvayo is it Arvayo Senor Arvayo van a prender su micrófono para que pueda hablar hacer sus comentarios en este momento está listo No Si ya está listo para hablar senor Arvayo o es el dia el dia quieres hablar tu ahora si si yo hablo mi comentario es sobre De que yo tengo un negocio aquí en al 415 Santa Rosa venida No sé si eso lo dejaron pendiente o puedo hablar No permítame un segundo He's back to talking to i he's talking about 5.4. We're still talking about 5.3 that this issue has been postponed right Yes, I just correct. Okay, that is correct I just wanted to make sure if anyone had a question about what that means that we would be able to answer that question But if not, let's go ahead and move on to our last item of the day, which is item 5.4 A minor conditional use permit to allow a mobile food vendor to operate at one one two four sabastapool road And so just a moment please don't even register your meats because I had disabled the translation that allows our translator to basically translate Okay, a little easier. Let me go ahead and get that enabled once again Secretary Kimberley before you move on to the other side I just wanted to clarify that the guy who's speaking Elvia is the wife. So when we call Elvia that he's called I think that's what he said at the beginning when he first wanted to make a comment So Elvia is that the name of his wife. He's using her computer, but his name is Jose So Okay, all right. Thank you for clarifying that. Uh, mr. Leone. We appreciate it Okay, I'm gonna go ahead and get those channels started back up again. Okay Okay, vamos a pensar la interpretación en español otra vez Bien Okay, mi nombre es José Luis Arvallo. Mi esposa y yo y mi hermano tenemos un negocio en el 415 santa rosa venida Es una una restaurante jico Sorry, I I went ahead and um muted that Um, mr. Leone, could you let him know that we're not moving on to that item yet until the presentation has been um We'll translate everything, but we'll make the timing apparent. Thank you So we'll be moving on to item 5.4 Which is a conditionally minor condition use permit to allow a mobile food vendor to operate at 1124 sabastopol road city files tu p 22 dash 026 and See a planner mike wixon will be presenting this item Yeah, thank you chair meets and This item I think This can be shared on the screen. I think Amy is going to try to share that So we can wait a second Thank you before we go any farther. I do see that our interpreter has his hand raised So I just want to make sure that everything's operating. Okay before we move any farther, please Okay, let's see It looks like you just lowered his hand. So I think I was gonna say the only way I'll be able to hear him Is if I disabled the channels again, yeah, he lowered his hand. So okay, we can proceed. Sorry for the interruption Okay So my name is mike wixon And I am a contract planner with the city And I'll be presenting this item This is a mobile food vendor application for a conditional use permit The location of the project is 1124 sabastopol road And the project is actually for a mobile food truck vendor at this location By the next slide, please So this slide is just showing the location of the project And you can see the red arrow indicating the actual project site Along sabastopol road At the intersection of macman avenue The site is located in a general commercial zone And land use for the project site is retail medium density residential So the project is consistent with both the zoning and the general plan land use The proposed project again is a mobile food truck And it is proposing to operate daily from 5 p.m To 11 p.m There's no outdoor eating proposed or dining proposed There will be a few seats provided for the project But those seats will be only for customers waiting to have their order prepared And then of course those seats will be as with any other Minor item provided with the mobile food trucks such as like a waste container Those items will be removed every night As the food truck leaves the site The zoning in the area Is to the south it's an r16 zone And then to the southeast On emerald court and a little bit even further east than that It's a pd 96002 it's a east roseland area, I believe and Anyway, the zoning is for single family residential uses as well To the east the zoning is more general commercial uses As well to the west and to the north Basically, sabasta pole road is a commercial corridor And then as you turn off sabasta pole road and head back into the south on macman It becomes residential The next slide please So this slide you can see is just an aerial image of both the site and the area at large And again the existing The existing zoning to the north Is for general commercial the actual uses to the north right now are deli and a mexican restaurant The actual land uses to the east right now are gas station and then to the southeast Is a single family residence and then further behind it are also single family residences The land used to the south is a single family residence And further south are also single family residences And then to the west is a small little strip center With some general commercial uses that you would typically find in a strip center So if you can go to the next oh one thing I wanted to point out Is that uh, there there were Some comments received regarding this project location in relation to The el matote food court The el matote food court is further to the east or to the right On this aerial image So it's actually located just off of this aerial image to the right It's more than a thousand feet away From this project site So next slide please And again the proposal is for one new mobile food vendor truck It's the el malagro taco truck The hours of operation are proposed from 5 p.m. To 11 p.m. Daily There is a recommended condition to avoid An overlap between the uses So that the parking isn't made available to both uses when they are open individually so The brake and tire operation Normally closes daily at 5 p.m And then the taco truck would open at 5 p.m I believe there were also a few days of operation that the brake And tire operation might close at 5 30 p.m And we propose the language of the condition So that essentially When the tire and brake shop closed Then the taco truck would be able to open up So basically the taco truck is not able to open business until the brake store has closed As I mentioned the current use onsite is the auto repair for tires and brakes The mobile food vendor will This will be evident on the next slide as well The mobile food vendor will be parking in front of an existing garage base There are six parking spaces onsite that would be available for use And then there will also be a bathroom inside the auto repair building for employees only So if you can go to the next slide please And so this is an aerial image showing where the food truck will be located onsite And then also inside where the restroom is located for the employees And again, there won't be any dining onsite And therefore the restroom only need to be available to the employees If you look here to the right as well, you can see that where this The entry is on McMinn Avenue That there's also the gas station to the east And I point that out because we have received an email Of concern pointing out a few potential issues that were of concern to a neighbor Which I'll speak to a little bit later, but I just wanted to point that out for now If you go to the next slide, please So this slide is looking from a street view at where the taco truck will be parked in front of the SSS sign And you can see the garage base there While the auto repair business is in use those would be closed No brake Entire repair would be operating when the truck is brought onsite And that is where the truck would locate And you can see some of the parking to the right I also want to point out that you can see Both the sidewalk in front there and the curb return And also you're looking at a light post Dead center The green light post That you'll see also in the next slide as well. If you go to the next slide, please And again, this is looking from sabasta pole where the truck would be parked at the brake entire store I included this because you can see a few different things here First is the curb cut and entry from sabasta pole road The second is that you have two light posts Right there at the corner That are double there are double headed light standard And so not only does it provide lighting to the street, but it also provides lighting to the site And there are two of those right at the corner of this site So there's there appears to be adequate lighting provided For this project And then lastly you can see now a little bit to the left Where the entrance is to the gas station Along mcman road So if you can go to the next slide, please We've recommended conditions of approval to be sure that the truck will be parked in the front of those bays That the truck will not inhibit traffic or circulation Not only in the surrounding site, but also on site And that the mobile food vendor customers must cannot park on the neighboring properties And that it will comply with all fire department codes And then also comply with any state and local standards as well And that includes health department operations And again hours of operation would not conflict With the auto repair business So the one thing I wanted to point out again is that we did receive an email expressing some current concern From a miss, uh, karency jenkins who lives on sunset And I believe that's I got that right. It's it's a street further south And she lives in the residential area down there And she expressed concerns about traffic and safety on street with concerns about parking off site And then also that she had indicated that there might be existing queuing Occurring intermittently during the peak hour of traffic For the gas station that's to the east And in her email she was pointing out that there might be a queue of cars lining up to get into the gas station From time to time And then if you were to add this use to this corner it might create additional concerns We forwarded this on to engineering This concern and we haven't heard anything that there was an issue here at all And so um at this point, we're not aware of any issue At this location for traffic circulation or pedestrian concerns Um, the other concern that that miss jenkins pointed out was the location of the truck In relation to other similar uses Uh, specifically the el motote Food court and as I mentioned that is located a thousand feet to the east I'm sorry Should I stop? Okay, well, I'm Kim really we're that are recording secretary hopwood. We're hearing a little bit of background communication is does uh planter wixen need to stop his presentation to Have things I I do apologize somebody came up and asked me a question and I didn't realize I was not needed but I am now Okay, thanks. No, no, no problem. Um, okay, so to continue on With the email and the concerns expressed by miss jenkins So the el motote food court was located at least a thousand feet to the east and so it's well outside the The distance That has to be maintained between another food vendor on this street and so that is that condition or that requirement is met and There is no issue with that and the current language of the zoning code of hours of the operation would be between 6 a.m to 11 p.m As determined by the might where they could be for the mobile food vending business According to the condition we use permit Language in the zoning code and so I mentioned before I believe I mentioned it was starting at 5 p.m and ending at 11 p.m And that there will not be a set there was a concern expressed That there would be a set time for this so hopefully miss jenkins if she wasn't able to make it I just want to be sure her her concerns were expressed here and considered with the application And I know that that was forwarded also to Miss meads as the zoning administrator So If we can go to the next slide, please Thank you And so lastly this item is has been reviewed under sequa. It is a categorical exemption project under two various guidelines And therefore no initial study and mitigated negative declaration Is necessary as it is an exempt project And then the last slide please So we're recommending That the zoning administrator approve the minor conditional use permit To allow the operation of the mobile food vendor as requested Subject to the hours of operation and other standard conditions at 11 24 Sebastian poll road And that concludes my presentation. There's one more slide that just gives A little more information if you needed to contact me after Great. Thank you that presentation And thank you. Amy for presenting that to yes. Thank you for that presentation planter wixen I do have a couple of questions about this project You know in your presentation that there are six available parking spaces And I just want to make sure in the slide that you were showing one of those vehicles is actually Somewhat on the sidewalk and I want to make sure that the six does not include that Particular spot if we could go back to the site plan Or actually the photograph is better the photograph of the Of the current use So Once that's shared Well, let me see if I can share my screen Thank you And if you can That's Wrong presentation. I apologize. I have a few up here. Give me just a second Sure That one. Okay. If you could go back to one slide please Yes See I'm just concerned about that vehicle that I don't know if that's a matter of how they parked Or if that's just not Legally dimension parking space I think it's more a matter of how it's parked. I mean you can see the roll stop Underneath the car itself So that it is marked off for a parking space I think it's more a matter of how the car itself was parked Okay, thank you And I do have a question about how the Mobile food operator will be addressing On-site The the opportunity for ops On-site garbage waste and compost I'll be adding a condition to you know meet state requirements But I just want to make sure that the operator has thought of that and has a has a plan So Would you like me to address that or were you If Yes, planner wixen if you have an answer that would be great. Otherwise we can Work with the translator to have the applicant answer the question Yeah, um, let's if we can ask the applicant to answer that question. That would be great Okay, let's go ahead and ask our applicant and Because I had a little trouble switching the language back and forth Mr. Leon, I think it would be best if I just go ahead and disable the translation and we'll just Do the translation in the main meeting if that's okay Um Vamos, uh, okay. Yes kimberley. Yeah, I was telling you with my digital hand that it was okay So we're back. I'm back on the main channel. Okay. Thank you We we just wanted to go ahead and ask This question of the applicant So if the applicant could raise their hand then we can get the sound Do kimberley do we have a name on this on the applicant? So like it's a one out of bio. No, that's not fun Yeah, oh But it may be somebody else representing daniel Okay, miss Diaz has her hand raised miss Diaz. Are you the applicant for this item or part of the applicant team? Oh, it's daniel. He's right here. He's gonna six. Oh, okay. Okay. He's on that with his that screen name. Okay. Thank you Daniel vas hablar en inglés buen español. I'm asking him if he's going to speak in English or Spanish In espanol. Okay. Permiteme un segundo entonces daniel la pregunta es cómo vas a lidiar tu con la basura los reciclables y el abono Que vas a crear en esa tona tienes un plan ya para lidiar con esto I just asked him how are you going to deal with the garbage recyclables and uh compostables in the area Do you have a plan for that? We are going to have uh containers to you know, so we can separate all the garbage Okay, well, though Can you pass along that those will have to be covered containers and they'll have to be removed each day Daniel estos contenedores tienen que ser tiene que tener tapas Tiene que estar asegurado de que tienen tapaderas tapas y tienen que ser limpiados o removidos todo todo los días al final de la noche Entiendes esto See yes, I understand that okay excellent and then I'm wondering if he would appreciate some flexibility with the Without being super Prescriptive about the time of opening and and when I say that what I mean is I would I would like to give This operator an opportunity To open At any point that the Um auto repair use is not Open my concern about specifying five o'clock is if people are trying to get out at five o'clock and that work it at the the current use they're trying to get out while the Food vending operation is trying to pull into the parking lot I could see that causing some queuing issues and some potential potential issues So I would prefer to condition the the project to be at any time that the Premise is vacated from the current use and that would mean that any if they happen to close at three o'clock one day This this operation could open at three fifteen if the if the site's vacated from the from the previous use And and on the days that the tire and auto Shop are not open then this vendor would be able to be open at any time Pursuant to the regular hours allowed for mobile food vending Which would be I believe something like eight in the morning until 11 p.m. If that would be of interest to the applicant Daniel la administradora de sonificación tiene una pregunta para ti Ella quiere saber si tienes la flexibilidad De no necesariamente abrir todos los días a las cinco de la tarde como dicta este contrato Porque dice si a las cinco de la tarde los empleados del taller de reparación de llantas y de frenos Están saliendo a las cinco y están apurados y tú estás tratando de entrar va a crear problemas En el estacionamiento Carlos tratando de entrar y si algún día ellos cierran a las tres de la tarde Tú podrías abrir a las tres de la tarde o las tres quince o si un fin de semana que están cerrados ellos Tú puedes abrir a las ocho de la mañana tendrías tú la flexibilidad entonces para darle suficiente tiempo de que Terminen ellos sus operaciones antes de empezar tú con tu camión de venta day His answer is yes. He says yes. He does have the flexibility Okay, excellent and I'm gonna open public comment in a minute But I want to ask these questions first in case they might answer some of the questions and then we'll address the public comments obviously afterward So this question is actually for planter wixen and that is did engineering give comments on this project at all La secretaria tiene un par de preguntas pero quiere hacer las preguntas antes de que empiecen los comentarios públicos y la pregunta era para la Dixon que si los ingenieros ya le dieron una vista este a esta propuesta At the reason and maybe I should clarify that you mentioned that they did not comment on the ingress and egress and queuing And I'm just I just want to make sure Did they did they have a chance to look at the plans? Yes, it was And I didn't receive any recommendations Excellent I just wanted to clarify that they did have an opportunity to to review the project Yeah, and I I had invited somebody from engineering To be available if they were if they were able to for the meeting and I don't know if they're in attendance or not I don't see I don't see him on an attendee list there This is the interpreter. I'm going to clarify this for The the applicant daniel ellos están hablando estaban preguntándole a la persona quiso la presentación que si el plan de proyectos de había sido Andiado a los ingenieros para que revisaran el plan dice que si que el plan ya fue mandado los ingenieros Y que por el momento no ha recibido comentarios de ellos estaba tratando de buscar a ver si había una persona Para que respondiera cualquier pregunta comentario pero no hay nadie del departamento de ingeniería A quien le enviaron tu plan para de operación de tu taco truck Okay, and then I also wanted to just discuss the um outdoor lighting And I will be adding a condition that the project has to um comply with the outside lighting ordinance Which does have standards regarding adequate lighting at the site just to make sure that everybody can see You know cars coming and going and it could very well be that that the That the existing light is adequate that could very well be so Enough of me. Um, let's open this up. I don't know if The hand raise needs to if it's part of the public comment Or if it was an answer to a question because i'm ready to open public comment if people have something they would like to say Okay, thank you zoning a measure to me before we Before I re-initiate the um the language channel I want to give our interpreter a chance to translate the last The last thing the last condition that you mentioned about the lighting Let's go and give him a moment to do that and then i'll re-initiate the the channels And the interpreter está hablando antes de empezar la función de interpretación Queríamos clasificar nomás el último comentario la última pregunta que hizo la directora de sonificación Está hablando sobre la luz exterior en este local la persona que opere Lo que esté operando un negocio en esta zona tiene que cumplir con todos los reglamentos de que hay suficiente luz en exterior En antes de poder operar cualquier negocio en esta zona altas horas de la noche cuando es oscuro Thank you. Mr. Leon. I'm going I'm going ahead and re-initiating the channels. Okay Vamos a empezar la interpretación ya I believe the hand we had raised is the one from the applicant. So let me go ahead and lower that one so we don't confuse it and We'll go ahead and give the rest of our attendees an opportunity for public comment on this item Go ahead and use the raised hand feature on your toolbar Or if you're calling in on a telephone press star nine And we will be able to recognize you and enable your sound And zoning administrator needs I'm not seeing any additional raised hands Okay, well, let's go ahead and close public comment I've covered most of the things I wanted to talk to about with this project However, there are a couple of other things in the resolution that I would like to address And one is that condition of approval nine addresses public restroom facilities and since that is not part of this Um project I would like to strike that condition of approval number nine and When you were making these other Changes that we've talked about already condition of approval number 13 We need to strike the language that Refers to shall maintain the minimum required on-site parking spaces for the principal uses on the property during operating hours Because they will not be open during the operating hours of the auto repair business So the intent of that language was to Ensure that the parking that was there was made available to the taco truck So I probably didn't use the best language for that So if you wanted to I could try to modify that to hit the intent Of making sure that that parking is made available for the taco truck I would like to clarify with the applicant if that is an agreement He has with the current use because we can't Mandate what the current use is doing at this time. We can only condition the mobile food vending operation so How's any mission? When they are not operating To oh, I think the applicant can hear us. Um, maybe not on the channel Let me let me go ahead and disable that so that we can just get our interpreter in the mean meeting again Yes, Kimberly the this is interpreter speaking. Yes in the applicant did say that does the Accord that he does have with the the tire repair shop that he's going to use The parking when they are not operating Excellent, then yes, if we could just maybe re word that condition number 13 to Express exactly what it is that that our applicant has already worked out Yeah, daniel, basically what they're asking you to write back the use of condition number three in the contract That the agreement that you have with the tire and the tire repair shop Is that you are going to use the six parking spaces when they are not working And I do have another question of the applicant. There's a condition of approval here that talks about outdoor music Being permitted consistent with the normally acceptable decibel levels From our general plan and i'm wondering if the applicants due to the proximity to residential uses would be willing For me to strike that I would prefer to strike that and just say that no outdoor music is permitted period Daniel otra pregunta que tienen Quieren saber que si pueden eliminar el el uso de condición aquí donde hablan del que puedes tocar música Debido a que está muy próximo a zona residencial Estaban hablando de que cierta cierto tipo de volumen podías utilizar pero ella quiere eliminar Esta condición de que básicamente se está pidiendo que no utilices a que no pongas música en ningún momento Para no molestar a los vecinos. Estás de acuerdo que se Elimine estas parte donde dice que no vas a tocar música see Yeah, the sanser is yes. He's uh, it's okay with you Striking that part of the accord was said that he won't he would not be playing music Excellent. Well with all of these minor little changes. I'm excited to uh, I'll sign the amended resolution. I'm excited to have a have a new place to try soon. Hopefully And that joy is contagious So I would I would Like to thank oh, I didn't close public comment Did I close public comment if I did not I do want to say also that this action is subject to appeal within 10 calendar days of today's decision if someone files an appeal with the city clerk's office by Monday september 12th 2022 otherwise, um You should be good to go and I want to thank our excellent interpreter mr. Leon so much and Our recording secretary kimberley as you mentioned there were a lot of pieces to this to this meeting and so thank you to all of our our planners and supervising planner Amy Nicholson for being willing to To move those slides technical difficulties are always a struggle with these meetings. So with that I would like to close the zoning administrator meeting of september 1st 2022 Administrator, this is the interpreter speaking. I just want to make sure that the solicitant knows that they're in case if there's an appeal He's got you know, somebody can I mention that in spanish? Oh, yes, absolutely, please Daniel, basicamente antes de cerrar la reunión la secretaria dice la la directora de zonificación dice que si El plan ha sido aprobado al menos de que alguien haga una pelación esta persona tiene 10 días hasta lunes 12 de septiembre para hacer una pelación o para tratar de de que ser De niegue esta aprobación y hasta entonces todo va a funcionar bien entonces y está cerrando la reunión y en los comentarios públicos en este momento Yes, so I should I should make sure i'm very clear that he cannot begin operating yet. He has our approval, however, he will need to wait for the the Signed resolution and the appeal period to have expired Daniel entonces otro comentario final de que no puedes empezar a operar todavía se tienen que firmar toda la resolución y el contrato Todo lo que se va a ser y tienen que expirar los 10 días que tiene cualquier persona para hacer una pelación así que después del Lunes 12 de septiembre podrías empezar a operar cuando se firme todo y si nadie hace una pelación And if I may have one word on this zoning administrator, I just want to thank all of our attendees so much We are Still implementing these tools learning to use them We're so grateful for the participation of all of our attendees in our meeting today And we appreciate your patience with any hiccups that we had Agreed 100 percent. Thank you so much everyone. Oh, I'm gonna let mr. Leon translate that Yes, please if he would please Queremos dar las gracias a todos los participantes Es un proceso de aprendizaje todo mundo si estamos aprendiendo a llevar a cabo este tipo de reuniones por zoom Pero todo mundo parece ser que esto es todo muy bien. Muchas gracias a todos los participantes por su tiempo y y la reunión ha terminado our huge thanks to everybody and You can go ahead and conclude the meeting. Please miss me if that's all right With that I will close the september 1st 2022 zoning administrator meeting. Thank you everyone


Performance after load has always been of interest to the web developer community. We've all seen microbenchmark comparisons of browser APIs, talked about the ups and downs of DOM performance. But there's more to this topic than just API speed. But before we start, what even is loading performance? When we talk about performance on the web, we are actually often talking about loading performance. And that is the time between the initial navigation, clicking a link or launching an app, and the app being ready to use so the user can interact and perform primary functions off that app. We've often focused on how to optimize the performance of everything that falls into that time frame. And that is important because people abandon pages if they don't load quickly. And there's no point in optimizing stuff that happens after load if people never make it to that point. How much a user will weight varies. If the value of an app is already known to the user, it's a super fun game or it's your email client, people might sit through minutes of loading. In general, though, we're talking about load times on the order of seconds. There's also another thing to consider, which is that sites like blogs and newspapers and content sites generally use full page reloads for navigation. As a result, optimizing for load is actually the right thing to do because the user is constantly affected by it. Most interactions are page loads. Something like a web-based email client, on the other hand, is typically loaded once and stays open forever. Loading data from API endpoints when a user interacts with the app. Even in cases where interactions feel like a navigation, switching inboxes, clicking on a message, those are typically done in JavaScript to preserve client-side state. And that means that they're still considered part of postload performance. Loading happens once, the rest is postload. And your app is probably somewhere in between these two extremes. Some things are full page navigations for the proper page load, and other things are more SPA-like behavior with dynamically created DOM. Depending on where your app is on the spectrum, you need to decide how to split your optimization efforts. And that split is also worth revisiting as your application grows because it can change. As web apps get more complex, the main focus will typically shift from load to postload. And this means that those postload interactions become increasingly important since users are doing more things within each page. These interactions are what we're measuring when we talk about performance afterload. So how do we measure performance afterload? What metrics can we track in order to quantify the postload performance characteristics of our app? We know how to measure loading performance. We can measure LCP, FID, and all that other stuff. I mean, that's what web vitals are for. Right. And one of the main principles of Core Web Vitals is that they measure user experience. And while the web vitals initiative is interested in postload performance, it turns out that measuring the user experience impact of postload performance is very difficult. Anecdotally, a user experience is something like power drain. Our phone's battery runs out faster, and that's a negative experience. It's a lot harder to think of how a user might experience something like memory footprint. Can we feel RAM usage? I know that my memory is definitely getting worse with age, but I don't think my phone's is. It's much more likely that the secondary consequences of high memory pressure, like the device freezing up repeatedly to free up memory, are the things that are noticeable to the user. Also, what we might consider acceptable memory usage on one device could be way too much for another. And that makes it really hard to come up with a viable generalized metric for memory usage that translates to its impact on user experience. So we don't know what the relationship between memory consumption and user frustration is. We do know that it's probably indirect. What the Core Web Vitals Initiative is looking to quantify are the concepts of smoothness and responsiveness, which we already know are important factors for user satisfaction and frustration. Before we dig into these, though, I want to know that web vitals for postload performance are an ongoing research project. What we are presenting here today are ways how you can measure smoothness and responsiveness in a way without having to wait for Core Web Vitals to come up with a canonical metric. We already know these factors matter, and you should be optimizing them today. Smoothness is an application's ability to keep up with itself. A lack of smoothness makes apps feel low quality and can cause frustration when users see changes lagging behind or animations trying to play catch up. To quantify smoothness, we're looking for consistency. That's frames being rendered at a stable rate based on the device's screen refresh rate, often 60 frames per second. Also, when there's nothing to render, it's actually good to hit zero frames per second. Those aren't missed or dropped frames. They're actually avoided wasted frames because we had nothing to draw. One potentially useful measurement strategy is to calculate yourself a smoothness score. If a frame ship's on time, you get a point. If a frame ship's too late, you would deduct points depending on the delay. If you can feel the agony looking at the button on the bottom, that would get a low smoothness score. So to measure smoothness, we could run a ref loop and track how much time elapses in between the individual calls. In particular, we want to pay attention to long frames that take too long to render. At the same time, you also want to allow long frames when there's nothing to render and that shouldn't hurt our score. It is important to note that this ref approach is actually really bad. It forces the browser to ship every single frame even when there is nothing to render. So you would never see that zero FPS optimization kick in. In your app, you usually know which parts of the code trigger rendering. It's a lifecycle event or a state change and so on and so forth. So instead of running the ref loop the entire time, you could limit it to just those situations. But it's still quite the brittle approach. Instead, there is a proposal for a new type to be added to the performance observer API which will allow you to track how long frames take to render. And this would avoid this forced frame loop issue. But it should still be combined with your knowledge of the app's specific logic so that you don't collect huge amounts of unnecessary data. The other user experience aspect of post-load performance is responsiveness, which measures how quickly a user interface responds to interactions like clicks, taps, and keystrokes. Responsiveness is something that's easy to explain because it's something we feel. A modal dialogue takes too long to open or characters we're typing are taking a second to show up. It's much harder to come up with an algorithm that measures responsiveness. And that's because responsiveness is specific to each application and its particular user interface. An algorithm might consider the spinner shown on a sending button to be a reaction. But to the user, we know that the real reaction is when the sent notification appears or a message composer closes. As developers, we also have this information. We can use performance.measure to measure the time delay between an action, like the send button click, and its corresponding reaction, the message being queued for sending. Remember the rail guidelines here? Aim to respond to interactions in 100 milliseconds or up to one second if loading things from the network. Later on, callingperformance.getentriesbytype to return your customer responsiveness metrics is a great way to then siphon them over to logs. Measuring your app's important actions and reactions also makes it possible to investigate how those interactions are being affected by other technical performance metrics, like long tasks or slow renders. If you're using a framework to implement your interactivity, there may even be ways to automate some of that tracking. Just make sure that the measurements still represent the time between an action and its true user-facing reaction. So you might be asking yourself, will smoothness and responsiveness be part of Web Vitals in 2022? The answer is maybe. But as I said, we already know that these factors are important and we should be optimizing for them. So how and what do we even optimize? As with any recommendation, it's impossible to overstate the importance of measuring things yourself. Generalizations are suggestions at best. Real, effective optimizations come from gathering data about your application to be optimized. To that end, the first optimization is to set up measurement so you can make decisions informed by real data. Measuring synthetic data through microbenchmarks and lab tests can't really give you an accurate picture of how things will work for real users. In order to make optimization decisions based on data, it's best to get that data from those users. Apply the measurement techniques that we showed in production and send that data to someplace where you can analyze it later. Phil Walton has a great guide on how to set this up at the link. Now with your fresh data in hand, you know where your bottlenecks are. So what techniques can help with typical post-load performance problems? Well, one step is to free up the main thread. We need to limit the amount of code that we run on the main thread because we share that thread with the browser to do all the rendering work, like calculating styles and layout and paints. And ideally, the main thread is used in a way that the most expensive non-interruptal operation that we see is that rendering work. And one very direct way to free up the main thread is to move some of your applications code to another thread using web workers. Workers are really well suited to heavy tasks like parsing or analysis. Just remember to be careful that the code that you move is not responsible for immediate UI changes. You don't want to end up having to wait on a worker operation to complete in order to show an initial UI response. Moving code around can be tricky, but there are some nice solutions available these days. With Comlink, for example, you can offload a heavy module from the main thread to a worker while still being able to work with this API as you're used to. In addition to web workers, new Worklet APIs also provide a way to register self-contained modules that handle a specific task and the browser will run them on the most appropriate thread for that type of task. Paint Worklet is one of these and it lets us offload Canvas drawing code to the browser's rendering process instead of slowing down the main thread. In this example, we're rendering a material inking effect and the only main thread code is an event handler that captures most coordinates. There are many ideas in this space to make JavaScript better suited for concurrency. Aside from the module blocks proposal, though, there are largely ideas in the heads of individual engineers and we don't want to over-promise anything by showing you code that may or may not ever work. The point here is that there are people working to bring concurrency to JavaScript and making it a lot easier. The third strategy for optimizing postload performance is to reduce your memory usage. At a high level, we know that both smoothness and responsiveness can be affected by the amount of memory a web application consumes. This is tricky to quantify because there are a number of different ways to allocate and retain memory on the web and they each have a different impact on performance. Also, the thresholds and scale of those impacts depend on external factors like hardware and other software. However, there are a few general conclusions we've been able to draw based on our research so far. We studied the effect of memory consumption on total blocking time and found that there's a threshold where increased memory usage actually degrades performance. This suggests that we should avoid excessive memory usage. We often view memory as an inexhaustible resource, but it's not. On some devices, that big chunk of data might be a significant percentage of the devices available memory. Also, consider where you're caching. Remember that we can rely on the network cache and the network cache is smart about deciding between caching and memory or on disk depending on usage heuristics. Finally, monitor for memory leaks. This can get fairly tricky, especially for code that's referencing DOM trees or iframes or browser windows. There's an article here that includes five different ways to find and fix memory leaks in those tricky cases. Despite us working really hard so far to distinguish noting performance from post-load performance, they do actually share some optimization techniques. Loading performance boils down to one key principle, only load what is needed. This applies equally to post-load performance. While you don't do a full page navigation in a post-load scenario, you still load stuff like data and probably code to handle that data. So what you need to do is to split your data and your code so you only load what you need. Preload what's next in idle time, defer invisible content and don't inline assets into your bundles. Finally, a topic I never seem to tire of talking about, make sure you're shipping modern code. Modern JavaScript is supported in 90 to 95% of browsers and is generally much faster than the equivalent transpiled code. The biggest performance improvements here typically come from avoiding automatically injected polyfills that aren't needed in modern browsers. You can also ship modern code without dropping support for old browsers by serving fallback bundles using the module no module pattern. If it's been a while since you've last looked at your transpiler configurations, that's a good place to start improving your post-load performance. So to recap, make sure you measure your apps' responsiveness and smoothness with your app-specific knowledge and make sure you do that in the real world and not just in the lab. Once you know where your bottlenecks are, try and fix them by freeing up the main thread, reducing your memory footprint and shipping modern JavaScript for modern browsers. And that's it for our whirlwind tour of post-load performance. Thanks, you can find all the articles we mentioned down in the video description.