Great. And it looks like we are live. Hi, I'm Dazza Greenwood, a scientist at the MIT Media Lab and one of the co-chairs, and happy to be co-host of next week's Worldwide Web Consortium Blockchain Workshop to talk about prospects and possibilities for standards with a blockchain. And with me is co-chair, Daniel Buckner, who I wanted to introduce to maybe just provide a little bit of an update of where things are at now with the conference planning. And I know we had a program committee call last week, which unfortunately I wasn't able to join. And maybe could you maybe just bring people up to speed a little bit on where things are at with the schedule. And then soon we'll get to one of our program committee members and someone who will be presenting, I think, on one of the topics. And so I'll do that introduction in a moment. And Daniel, take it away. Yeah, so last week we talked a little bit about everyone being invited, a last call to make sure registrations were in. We also took a look at scoring the requests for speaking. So those were tabulated by you, Daza. And over the weekend, just yesterday, we were able to actually pair that list down. And I think we have a full ranked sort of list of the topics of interest. So I think that's going to help inform basically the layout of the talks. But those people, we said we had room for at least 20 to 25 minimum during the official hours of the workshop. And I'm sure that we can get pretty much everyone on the list if we started including off social time after the break at 5 PM the first night or whatever that is. We could accommodate that at some other location. So yeah, I think we made good progress there. And we have a clear sense of what we're going to be discussing. OK, great. And so speaking of what we're going to be discussing, I wanted to take the opportunity with this hangout to start to set the table a little bit with respect to the topics. And so as you said, there was ratings and rankings. And one of the topics that came out pretty strong, I think, was yours, Daniel. And then we're also going to hear about security in a moment. But could you get us started by just describing what it is that you've proposed that people reacted so well to with the ratings and how you could see this approach toward identity ripening eventually into potentially something that could be standardized by the W3C? What is the problem statement? And what is the approach to standardization or blockchain that you're proposing? Yeah, so I think as you stated, you could see through the rankings the proposal that I had, as well as other people, it really lines up around identity. And it really takes over those top few rankings. And I think what's important there is understanding why it's so important to W3. Because as a standard, it's very personal to the user. It's important that we hit on identity in the browser. Because it's a user agent. And what we're talking about is agency. And so what's really unique about the blockchain in this sense is that for the very first time, really effectively in history, we've had a distributed system that allows ownership of an identity, but then can also be the source of indices for those identities. And one source that you can look at and securely know that you're finding the right identity. You're finding the right person that matches that identity. And we just really haven't had that before in a decentralized user sovereign way. So I would say that when it comes to what do we standardize? Well, I don't think you actually have to have awareness of all these inner guts of every blockchain to do that. And I think folks like Blockstack have done a really good job of sort of taking care of that in an application layer that I would liken to an implementer's layer. Everyone may implement focusing an input slightly differently in code. But if the output is recognition of an identity that's tied to a public-private key that you look in one place for, you can have that other layer do the rest of the work for you. So I think that's the crux of what we'd like to see the body huddle around and understand as a possible standards opportunity. It really unlocks a ton of stuff for the other substandards that are within W3 that might touch on security, privacy, whole hosting. Got it. And it actually looks like we're joined by Marta. Is that right? Yeah, it's Marta. Hi, Marta. Could you introduce yourself, please? I'm from Blockstream. I've been working on the privacy of blockchain. And I'm the security architect in Blockstream working with Christopher Allen and working a bit on identity on blockchain and applications of blockchain other than Bitcoin. Great. And so I had a form for folks that wanted to talk about proposals or problem statements. And I knew that Daniel had something to say, and so did Shinichiro. Maybe I didn't check the form enough, or maybe you came in through a different channel. But I wanted to check, was there something that you wanted to propose by way of a prospective standard or problem statement as part of the Hangout? Or was it more you wanted maybe just a chance to discuss and feedback or something else? OK, so I would like to propose one thing about the security and trust. And so on the web-oriented blockchain standards, we should be aware of trust of each entity and node. The trust comes from the technologies or components. We used operational environment and operational policy of each node. And sharing this information about the trust among the blockchain-based web services is needed to establish trustable services over blockchain. At W3C, the possible standardization items are the ontologies, analysis framework, interfaces, some message format, and protocol. I think it needed both for nodes and client. And W3C needs collaboration with external experts on security and trust. It may include other security-related standardization organization, like CFRG in ILDA, and a group of security experts like Mozilla Foundation. So the possible discussion topics as which organizations are appropriate and how to establish reasons and invited experts. And so W3C also needs communication with external research communities. And we should also discuss on joint work with web quick, web application security, and web authentication. These are the existing activities in W3C. Yeah, I actually agree with that. So I think that's what we talk about identity. It really does hit on all those things. And internally at Microsoft, I know there was a bit of there was a tumultuous period where people were trying to understand how this fit into a lot of work that was long-standing, like FIDO and web authentication. And so at first it looked like, oh, this thing was going to come in and somehow disrupt everything that was going on when really I think a lot of those specs can benefit here. Because all we're introducing is the idea that there's this place that has the source of truth of identity tokens. And then they link to identities however they choose. And as long as we can inform the browser where to look and how to receive that data, it can then plug into existing standards, like the web auth standard, FIDO flows, a lot of those are, web auth is pretty generic. It can be modded to accommodate this. And then things like FIDO are more almost flows. So I don't think any of those go away. It was interesting, I'll point out we talked to a company case which makes form factors for key security in the Bitcoin space and for authentication, stuff like that. They have this interesting new form factor that they're gonna be putting out pretty soon, this fall sometime. And we started talking about off flows with them and what we could do with this identity layer. And when you pair their form factor with a system like this, we started getting into all sorts of new territory where someone could walk up to an untrusted computer with a browser and they could essentially use this form factor and just touch a machine and instantly be asked if they'd like to log in as a guest session for Twitter if they're like on a Twitter website. They don't type any passwords, it's implicit that they're logging in time-bounded. Like all these interesting things become possible and that has to feed into security standards at some point. Good, and so I'm wondering, what do you think would be the, what would be the most fruitful aspects of security that we could begin to get our minds around at the workshop? And so some of this is a little bit complicated by the fact that we're dealing with a fast evolving kind of early stage technology with blockchain generally in the new market. And so I wonder what would be the best level of abstraction and sort of approach to size and scope security as part of a potential standards conversation in view of the moving pieces? Okay, so my opinion in that, so as you said that the technology itself is so rapidly growing, going and so I think that the current technology is not much enough from the security perspective. But so I, so from the W3C perspective we can discuss about how to share the information about security or vulnerability and how we can convince the trust of the services. Yeah, one really specific way to do that. So when we talk about these identities, right? Just imagine that you have an identifier, let's say Dan.id and I can look that up in a central place and I can say, okay, it's out there, it's decentralized but I have this in to see. So Dan.id, here's the profile that goes along with that. Here's the identity data that's public. If I get an attestation on that profile like two identities, myself and Daza we've come together and we've attested to something and I present that to a website with that attestation which is essentially just a signed piece of data that has been signed by our two private keys. It would be nice if the browser, in a standards way with like one function, I could go retrieve one of those attestations, run it through the function say, was this actually signed by these two identities that it's claiming? And I put in maybe the string Daza.id and Dan.id and the browser's then able to resolve with some of the things that might be in WebCrypto already, yes, this is in fact attested by these parties. That would be like a really specific thing that we could add. And just on picking up on that, I noticed Shinichiro that you had identified CP and CPSs from the IETF as one possible example of how the sharing of information- Okay, okay, yeah, yeah, yeah. So you know that CP or CPS is a trust framework for certificate authority, but so we can start considering about the trust framework for blockchain. So I think that identity program is a good example and so certificate authority program is a good example and we can start the discussion from that. Yes, and thank you. I wanted to highlight, I thought that was great. You know, I'm glad that we're having an opportunity to share some ideas before we actually get there cold for me anyway about thinking about what could be standardized on blockchain. It's a new question. It's not had a lot of treatment before and you really gave me something to think about from the IETF certificate policy and certificate practice statement. For those of you who are, should be thankful you're uninitiated into that somewhat arcane set of PKI standards and what it is fundamentally as just highlighted is a way to, in a standard way, describe some business but mostly legal and technical aspects of how a certification authority is like minting a certificate and enrolling people and what crypto it's using, how it would be revocation list and things like that. That would be the type of stuff that we'd have to communicate for what Daniel's suggesting, which is eventually someone had to revoke or kind of migrate to a new key due to compromise. No one principled people that have added attributes to their old public key could find a way to agree that here's the new public key associated with a reek key, private key of this person but how they do that is still up in the air I think in terms of commercial practices and standard approaches and so I could imagine beginning to think about how to communicate things like migrations and transition points and life cycle events would make a lot of sense and it certainly has a security, a heavy security dimension because that's one of the places that when there's a transition where things can be most vulnerable after all. So I see by the way that we've been joined by our erstwhile chair and convener Doug of the WA3C and I just wanted to say welcome and also ask you if you, Daniel did the service at a high level just saying that we're beginning to hone topics and format issues but was there any other announcements or updates that you could share or anything else about the workshop? Please do, you're welcome. Okay, that's great. So just to actually just to briefly talk about what you, or to touch on what you guys were just talking about, rather. A lot of what you were saying is blockchain related stuff but in terms of whether that's something that would be of interest or would be relevant to WA3C standards which of course are only a subset of web standards and internet standards. I think finding the intersection there, finding out what would need to be done from the web side, from the client side web, client side aspect, that's really where I'm hoping the sweet spot is for the workshop itself and for anything good to do with WA3C going forward. It could be that there's lots of forums to discuss these things but if we're going to be talking about standardization in general it needs to include more than WA3C and so that might be something we try to do going forward is to find out which piece is fit where and how to coordinate between those different organizations or projects in order to make sure that the different pieces are interoperable. Yeah, one of the interesting things that I always had a question on, maybe Doug knows this, the intersection between semantic data structures and validation of those structures, so I know that in some places in the web there is loose validation of certain data structures that you form in HTML or other micro formats and I'm curious with this blockchain identity stuff that we're going after, the folks in Microsoft now understand that probably the largest piece of this whole puzzle is actually getting everyone to speak the same language when it comes to your identity. I can describe a couch object in one way but if I describe it in one way and everyone else has 100 different ways of describing it it's not gonna be able to be shown in a browser but we're in an agent very well and predictably. So I'm curious about how that works, like do we have data format verification standards currently like a section for that or? Well, so that's a complicated question and there's a lot of different pieces to what you mean by validation. There is something called JSON-LD which is part of the sort of I guess the semantic web stack, more of the modern aspect of the semantic web stack and that's, there's some coordination is the wrong word but there's some overlaps between that and what schema.org is doing for example and so depending on how we want to mark things up and how we want to interchange things there's lots of different ways of going about this but one of the things that W3C does is that we focus on testing so we have defined formats in the past and we focus on basically regression testing and automated testing for those resources to make sure that people are following along or at schema. There's also, what we're using actually for validation of these things is a variation on JSON schema. So probably any interchange message would be in JSON and optionally in JSON-LD that's not required but some people would like that and then in terms of validation you could look at it from a point of view of tests, you could look at it from a point of view of specifications to make sure that people are on the same page about what are the useful parts of a schema and of a data format and how to coordinate with others on that and then there's also things like services that we could stand up like a validator just like people can validate their HTML you could validate your schema, you could validate the output from your API or from your implementation and see where it's predictable and where it's not and I agree, interoperability, predictability is actually a really big aspect of interoperability and so we can coordinate on a lot of different aspects. The data area is actually sort of a different part of W3C than I've normally worked in and there's different organizations within or not organizations, there's different focuses within W3C and there's the data part and then there's a client-side web part and those two don't overlap very much but it might be that blockchain could benefit from some aspects of both of those. Going back to Daz's original question, I apologize for the discretion. By the end of the day today, I will have I think the final list for the attendees. When I say final, there's an asterisk next to that because there will be people who don't show, there will be people even though they verified, there will be people who show up thinking that they verified that we never heard from. There will be maybe even people who show up at the last minute and say, oh, I heard about this workshop, can we come in? So the ultimate list will be in the workshop report that we produce after the workshop. But by the end of the day today, I'm hoping to have the final schedule or at least some form of the final schedule up and I think the most notable thing is that in our discussions about the schedule, we decided that identity and provenance are two key underlying ideas that are gonna be touched on in a lot of different aspects of blockchain. And so we're gonna try to put those on day one. So we get those out of the way so that any other things that would touch on those, we don't have to defer those conversations. We can already have had the conversations about the ideas of identity and provenance and that will serve as a backdrop for the rest of the day. In terms of structure, here's what we plan. We're gonna have a keynote by Arvin from Princeton and he is an expert in these areas and I am very much looking forward to his discussion or his talk. And we're gonna have a little bit of W3C things, some things around how the workshop itself is scheduled and also about the backdrop of existing technologies that W3C is gonna be working on. And then we're gonna go into lightning talks and the basic structure is a set of lightning talks on a general topic and then a set of breakouts where people explore those individual topics. So different tables will be talking about different things. And so and then after we discuss those, those are gonna be facilitated by the individual organizers of that topic and then we're going to have, hopefully we're also gonna have a scribe for each of those things as well. A scribe is just somebody to take notes and then we'll come back to the plenary session after each breakout and people will report back on the results of the workshop, sorry, of their breakout. And then we'll rinse and repeat, we'll just keep doing that same structure. On the second day, we're going to have a summary around three o'clock, we're gonna start wrapping things up around three o'clock and or 2.33 o'clock, we're gonna start having summaries of the zeitgeist of the whole workshop. And then after 3.30, we're gonna have more of an open session, just general, just open talk. I know some people have to leave before that time to get back to Europe in time, but there'll be some of us left behind and we're gonna formally end at 3.30 but we're gonna have a loose discussion so from 4.30 to from 3.30 till 5.30. That's the sort of the structure of the workshop. And Blockstream is actually very generous and they're providing a graphic facilitator and so the graphic scribe rather and so this person is gonna be listening to all the plenary sessions and making diagrams and other things to help us sort of come to a shared understanding, other images to help us come to a shared understanding of what we are, what we're trying to do and what we have talked about and then those things will be part of the workshop report as well. We'll sort of integrate those images and to let people get a sense better of what it was like to be at the workshop and sort of the thought process that went into things. Great, thank you. I hope that wasn't... No, that was very good. I just wanted to recognize Shinichiro. First of all, thank you for contributing the ideas and joining us and I'm aware that you're timing out now about 3.30 Eastern time and that you need to go. So I just wanted to recognize that you, whatever, didn't lose your signal or kind of get bored, but if I understand you're leaving and also to genuinely say we're great for the contributions, the thoughtful contribution you made. It's certainly gonna help me as I get ready for the workshop to start to have a chance to digest and think through what we'll talk about. So I look forward to seeing you back at the lab next week. Thank you. See you next week. Bye-bye. Great. Okay, and I believe that Marta would like to say a few words too on an idea. And let me just check to see Marta if you can hear us. Right now you're great on you. And is this good timing? Do you want to? Yeah, I'll try being quite brief. Actually on Prince Edward Island right now and like in the middle of nowhere. So my internet might be pretty flaky. So bear with me if you can't hear me. This is an idea that I've been discussing with both Doug and some other people. It connects to identity.  Basically the thing that I'm very tempted with or a thing that I've realized is that something that has not been possible before introduction of blockchain technology. Is tracking back to your private data when you go online. Once you go online today, you completely lose control of your private data. It's, you just submit forms, they disappear, it can no longer, you can claim ownership of your data. With blockchain however, it would be possible to somehow call or watermark data and say this speech I have shared with this third party and blockchain technology and the hash function and you know, addresses and all of that. We could track which information or like which copy or which version of my data has been connected or shared with whom and which version has been possibly abused online. So to give you an example, if I share the same information about my account with Google, with Amazon and with Facebook and then Amazon, Google and Facebook share this information at Vertism company A, B and C and company B abuses this information. I can go, well it was Amazon that sold my information to the company B and company abused that information so I can hold accountable Amazon for like, you know, transacting with an untrusted company. Although it was the same information, the version of it is watermark in a way and this is something that I think is extremely tempting. I'm not sure how, you know, put it in technical terms but I think a standard around that when using blockchain for that is something extremely interesting and kind of brainstorming around during the workshop of how to put it in good technical terms is very good. Also it gives incentive to the big players, the companies because now they don't have the responsibility of taking care of the data because they can transact based on accessing the data. So they don't have to feel or they don't have to be held responsible or accountable for taking care of the data. They can just take pieces of information from the user and not take the data or the responsibility is much lower in that case because they can prove that this has been abused. Got it. Very innovative, thank you for sharing that. May I ask, oh, somebody just wrote, can I follow on that? Oh, it's done. Okay, great, the answer is yes and I'll just make one quick observation which is there was a company that collaborated with Crypto Research I had done at MIT like 15 years ago I think and I'll dig out their name for you but they had a patent on a kind of steganography that allowed for the sort of basically unique, like just hiding little messages and unique versions of things like books and photographs and movies and other media objects so that you could tell kind of like which version of it under which contract or distribution agreement or something was the one where there was potentially an issue with it being basically the kind of shenanigans that you're just talking about. Let me see if I can find that and I'll email it to you but I have to say it was very fruitful and one of the issues I thought with using steganography other than the technical issues of needing enough data to hide the messages in was really just having like some sort of public registry where you could publicly verify what the versions were just a bit easier as opposed to have to necessarily take people to court and the enforcement of that was not necessarily so easy. Perhaps blockchain could provide this sort of shared ledger where versioning of property, digital property could happen at scale and it could be more preventative dispute resolution or kind of enforcement, perhaps much more efficiently as a result of the new capabilities of this technology so very inventive ingenious idea there and I look forward to thinking more about that as we head towards the workshop and yet Doug, did you want to follow on? Yeah, there were just two other things that might not be immediately obvious in terms of implications from what Marta was saying and one of them is your social media interactions. The, a lot from marketing and I know this is something people hate to think about or talk about except people who are in marketing but being able to track the impressions that you have for your content as it makes its way through the web is actually a really interesting question and problem, information propagation and then re-aggregation of results is actually really interesting but for me and I think that's actually quite interesting, I'd like to see, I'm always fascinated to see where things that I've written pop up and I'd like to see if there's some way of making that easier for people to do. Yeah, we're actually, Doug, we're actually working on that exact thing with a partner right now. Very, very, making sure that the ad exchanges don't have too much of your data and being able to understand one individual impression object as it makes its way from the seller to the exchange to the purchaser and then to the eventual render so that we start getting a better handle on where all this stuff is going and who has it. Yeah, and along with that, the problem of free-booting. Somebody puts a video on YouTube and they actually make money off of ad impressions on YouTube and a lot of people make a living off of just, from creating content in a really ad hoc way and then somebody takes their video and cuts out the credits and puts it on Facebook and gets 10 times the number of impressions, you get 10 times the number of views impressions, I'm sorry. Gets 10 times the number of views but the person who made the content doesn't get compensated for that and honestly, that's just not fair. I'd love to see a way for people to be compensated more for their contributions because increasingly, we don't go through distributors for contributions, we, people manage it themselves and I think that's a really powerful possible model for how people make money in the future and going along with something like that, if people can make a living by doing those things, if the web can facilitate people making money in these ad hoc ways, there's actually less need for ads and for collecting privacy information because it's, because a website, you might pay a website directly. Now this isn't blockchain, this is sort of web payments stuff we're getting into but you might pay a tenth of a cent to a website rather than see the ads and then you don't have the ads, they get compensated but you don't have the ads on your phone, it doesn't eat your bandwidth up, it's not annoying but the really thing, the thing I think is the most interesting and possibly that might have the biggest impact from what Marta is saying, might have the biggest impact on the world is that scientists currently lock their data away because they're afraid of somebody using it and not giving them credit. So a lot of really important studies are not, the data is not available on the web because it is a credit-based, it's a merit-based system, science is, you get grants and other things based on the things that you've contributed and if somebody takes your research and reinterprets it in a different way, they may well lock you out of the credit, you made the data, you did all the hard work but they evaluated it or interpreted it a certain way and they get credit for that and the scientist might be afraid that they won't get the due credit and so if data were some, if there were a way of watermarking and marking data and social expectations around that, we could have a renaissance of release of data on the web which could revolutionize science. Yeah, I think one interesting thing there is and that could help is and I don't know for sure if this would be a solution but to look at homomorphic encryption and saying like if you encrypted a container that contained a video and to play it, it was a multi-signature contract essentially, just a regular Bitcoin transaction that would wrap it where you had to pay into it and it was tied to your blockchain identity, then the only way to essentially have that container play its content would be to pay in and have it come from your identity so that might be one way to go about doing that that would be interesting. It's hard because you always with documents you always suffer the problem of if someone even paid in and to view something I guess you could screenshot it which is not as fun if it's like a video because then you end up with probably, unless the person's really, really good in capturing the stream. But yeah, there's ways to do it I think that capture value for the 99% of people viewing it that will actually pay and do the right thing. So yeah, I think there's ways that it can work into blockchain. Yeah, and so just to deepen a little bit here, underlying your comment is a sense of identity and a sense of ownership, like together, right? The, it's important to know that the financial people who've really propelled much of the blockchain development thus far with the ledger, like traditional ledger uses have broken through from GAP generally accepted accounting principles right to contracts ownership and ownership rights and exchange rights and a few other legal concepts and something called FIBO of IPO which is being advanced through open management group and looked at very seriously as a structured format that is that maybe the type of primitive almost where you could put together between ownership, contract terms, property rights, identity, a very, very strong case for a web standard that could begin to put pieces together so that people can track their property and exchange it without being ripped off. And I just wanna ask you, Doug, in your next comment if you could speak to a little hack that I've done with some students which is we use archive.org for like almost everything now in our research projects. You talked about science and sharing. An example is every day or every week example for me is you're putting data sets and other reports and other research copies of it on archive.org so we can find it again. And I use the key value pairs that they just make available for metadata on everything that you upload to archive.org for everything basically so that we can find sort, filter, search, use the provenance depending on the funder, whatever it is that we need. Key value pairs are very flexible. What if there was a way to back up my science and back up my media maybe like containers along the lines that Daniel said onto a systems like archive.org and then what if there's standard metadata to describe an address on a blockchain and connect it back to either property type or a media object or resource somewhere. Could that be one of the ways that you could begin to put pieces together so that we've got locations where data can reside? I'm saying archive.org is an example of that on the web where I put my science and then some is maybe standard metadata where there's a way to understand you have to connect a blockchain address, a URL or something to where the data is I think and then also a more supple way to describe identity and ownership rights so that we can begin to get the change of provenance. If you could just think, you don't have to respond right now we can respond to the conference but I want to say that's what I was thinking a little bit as I heard both of you talking about this vision and it's a very real everyday problem right now for the sharing of results and not really being able to know, not just for attribution, most of our stuff is free but just to know who's working on what and just to be able to have buildable science. Anyway, I interdicted you Mr. Chairman, you have the floor. I think what you said is really interesting. Discoverability is an enormous problem on the web. Tracking where something came from, even like all of these things are big issues. As you said, identity, provenance, delegation, all of these things are larger issues and I want to say first off that I'm as guilty this as anybody. At the workshop, we want to actually be more focused on the concrete things that would enable these use cases. These use cases are fantastic. This is what we want to be able to achieve. This is probably not what we're going to go in depth on at the workshop itself. I hope what the workshop does. I mean, if we had a workshop on HTML and we talked about all the things you could use HTML for that would be a very disorganized conference. A long workshop. A long workshop. I don't want to put people off and think oh, this workshop is not going to be focused. Actually, we're going to be quite focused at the workshop about concretely what are the pieces that we need to enable these use cases and we were all getting excited and thinking oh, what could we do once we have this functionality? From a standards perspective, I'm most interested in making sure that we can enable people to be creative and to do these sorts of things on the web. And that's what we're really going to focus on at the workshop. Use cases are fantastic and they're aspirational and inspirational, but bringing it back down to is there a specific API? Is there a specific data format that we need to standardize? Is there some piece of functionality that's client-side in a browser, some sort of wallet thing? Or is there something that we built into a browser, for example, that would enable all these different use cases? That's the sort of focus that I want to have at the conference. And now, just to get a little more jump back on our use cases and I realize I've cognizant that we're coming up on the top of the hour. But one thing I want to note about sharing data is in talking to scientists, I found out that most data perhaps that's being shared is actually not on the web, not because they're concerned with it, with who's using it, but because of the sheer size of the data and the complexity of, well, and just the bandwidth that it would require. They actually physically mail hard drives, FedEx, they ship hard drives to one another with data because we're talking about things on the terabyte scale. And I'm sure that there probably are already and that in the future there will be high bandwidth, high throughput, real-time repositories, clouds for data that scientists use and in preparation for that technological infrastructure, having standards that help us describe and find that data and share that data in a meaningful way. When I say share, I mean, share the information about the data. Obviously you wouldn't want to put this data on the blockchain, right? You'd want to put some sort of pointer to this data, right? And on the blockchain, because the blockchain would quickly get way too big if you started putting real data on it. And a fingerprint. But, and a fingerprint, yes, all these things. And so this, these are all really interesting things and I think that there's a lot to talk about in the coming months after the workshop as well. And that's the last thing I want to say is if this workshop goes well, if people at the workshop feel like, hey, maybe there could be some web standards about this stuff. Rather, and if they think that it's timely to start those discussions, hopefully what we'll do is we'll form some sort of community group or use an existing community group at W3C perhaps or find other four elsewhere to keep these ideas going after the workshop and to keep this conversation going and to find what things are most fruitful and incubate those, get those to a state where we have general consensus and confidence in the functionality and the functionality, you know, confidence that we got the big parts right and then we could actually talk about bringing those to standards. And so that's part of the larger conversation that should happen after the workshop. The workshop itself is just to put the ideas on the table and just to come to, come to share an understanding about what might happen. And then in the months after that would be the time when we really drill into that.  But so I've been working on a web extension using the new web extension standard stuff to run across, you know, all the browsers that support Edge, Chrome, Firefox. And right now we're gonna sub in the true peer-to-peer ability soon, but right now I'm using OneNames API but able to resolve in a browser tab when you put in like atdan.id or actually resolve against the blockchain identity and show you a profile, the profile is data essentially associated with that. So if it's a person object, it detects that schema and says, okay, I'm gonna show like a person page in Chrome page. Or it'll show like another Chrome template of, you know, an IoT devices device. It looks a little different. It's more modulated towards interacting with the device. And then we're gonna be swapping out that API for the actual peer-to-peer endpoints soon. So very quickly you'll be able to see what it would actually be like if you could look these identities up in the browser. And I should have that by the 28th, so I can go show people what that next layer of the onion might look like in practice. That's fantastic. That would be cool. That is fantastic. Well, so some of the themes that we kind of surfaced were identity again, expressing ownership and provenance, something that can assist with exchange, a fair value exchange at scale, including individuals. We talked about the need to be really looking toward APIs, formats, you know, kind of structures of data, which is a sweet spot for a W3C. And other themes as well as some innovative ideas and use cases that I hope will be helpful that we'll be talking more about. And so that is, there's a little bit of a whistle-wetter, I guess, as we get closer to the workshop. One thing I'd like to say is that with Doug's help, I have created a page on the workshop site. It's a forward slash feedback where you can see the ratings that Daniel referred to of the papers. And I just added in a form because we didn't get ratings from that many program committee members, from quite a few, and every paper was rated several times, but if you're on a program committee and you happen to hear of this, or if you check your email later today, it would be great to get even more of a show of like who thinks what is interesting as we get up to the workshop. So check out that feedback page. Just the, Doug, I mean, I'm reluctant to touch the workshop page itself, but if you think it's okay, maybe you could put a link to it to make it easier to find out. I will put a link to that on the page itself in the section on topics in position papers and expressions of interest. Awesome, and then who knows, maybe we can learn more about Marta's, I'm just gonna say ingenious idea. It's like peanut butter and chocolate, putting individual ownership of personal data together with the vast global capabilities of the blockchain for public verification. And then maybe, I don't know, Daniel, if we can get a sneak peek of your thing, whatever, bring it, so program committee members collaborate and share and communicate. I'd love to learn more as we lead up to the workshop, so I am sure other committee members as well can bring our best game and really be considering what your ideas are. Yeah, I'll get it out by Wednesday. I'll try and get it out by Tuesday, I'm sorry. Oh, excellent, okay, you heard it here. Tuesday, I'm gonna put that in the blockchain. So thanks very much, everybody. I look forward to seeing you in person at the MIT Media Lab next week. And until then, wishing you very well. So bye, bye now. Thank you. Bye all. Thanks. Bye.


Hey, I'm Susan Lee Parks and we've been doing this show in the lobby of the public theater for, uh-oh, I don't have my video on, Jordan, I'm just talking. Hey, there you are. Hey, we've been doing this show in the lobby of the public theater for 11 years and we've also been doing it in various venues all around the world and Howl Round. So thank you for the public theater for helping us organize this. Howl Round came on a few years ago and has been helping us live stream. And certainly has been helping us bring this format to you guys. We did it four weeks in a row and then we took a couple weeks off and now we're back and it's good to see some familiar faces and some new faces. And so this is what we do. We work together for 20 minutes and then we talk for the remaining time about your work and your creative process. We have plenty of time to do that. And what we don't have time for is for you to read specific work and for me to give feedback on it. But we always like to talk about your work and your creative process because we like to keep it open and accessible to everybody. And Audrey is going to tell us how to get in touch. Should you want to ask a question? Thanks, SLP. Yeah. So if you want to ask a question and you are inside of the Zoom, all you need to do is click on the button that says raise your hand. It's likely in a participant tab at the bottom of your screen if you're on a laptop or the top if you're on an iPad or tablet. If you have any issues with that, feel free to shoot me a chat in the group chat and I will help you out. If you're watching the stream on HowlRound.tv, you can tweet at us at atwatchmeworkslp with the hashtag HowlRound. And if we have time, we'll get to those questions. And you can also tweet at the public theater at atpublictheatre.ny or go to our Instagram. And that's it. So many ways. So many ways. So many ways to get in touch. OK, so we're going to work 20 minutes. And then we're going to talk with you guys after. OK, here we go. Beep. Yeah. So that was 20 minutes of working. And now we have the rest of the time we got for questions from you guys about your work. Anybody got a question? Yes. We have somebody who actually just wrote to the chat. And where did they go? Armando, I'm going to unmute you. Can you say your question out loud, Armando? Because I know you typed it to me, but unfortunately, it has a race from my chat. Huh. Armando, are you there? Hear me? Yeah. I can hear you. Thank you. Thank you all. Thank you, Susan Lawyer, for. I can't see my face. There you are. You're here. Hey there. I made it. Yes, I actually was working on this piece and doing these workshops that you have as we helped me try to process this, the crazy. And so my question is I'm working on this piece, which is becoming the sort of hybrid theatrical piece where I'm taking a public figure and I'm putting a classical text, it's a Shakespearean. I'm trying to match it together. And I'm trying to say some things. Things are happening in any way, social things are happening, so the commentary is about what I said and all those things.  It's kind of like the title, because I'm just asking for somebody who's like structured for your work. So you build them to your script and if you can just kind of talk to those things. I appreciate it. Talk about structure in terms of whether I mean different structures for different things. You know what I mean? I mean, form, there was a great poet, Charles Olson, who said form is never more an extension than an extension of content. So the idea is that form and content are together, you know, the one thing. So you can't just say, I think I'll just have the form like this and then shove the content into it, you know what I mean? Form grows out of content and content grows out of form. So if you have like a a known character and a Shakespearean kind of text, then I think you've got your structure already, right? Because you've got kind of a Shakespearean text, right? I mean, are you going to follow that structure or? I'm kind of am, but I'm like sort of taking it. It's kind of I'm taking the structure, right, of the play. And I'm sort of I'm almost like creating a rehearsal. It's almost like this rehearsal that's happening of the play. And this this sort of like strange overlapping of, you know, the the public figure and that. So I'm obviously using the Shakespearean text, right? And then then the narrative. But I'm also trying to like pull away from it and almost show like how this is problematic in itself, if that makes sense. It does, but I don't know how to give you feedback. Because, you know, it's it's a it sounds like a great project. I mean, how far are you along with it? Are you have you written a first draft or not? Not a complete first draft. It's right now like there's scenes. There's like monologues. There's some scenes, you know, and I have like all this kind of like state direction and like notes around what's happening. And do you know the story that you want to tell? Not the theme, not the message, but the basic story? Like what happens to the characters involved? Yeah, I feel like what's I feel like the story that sort of wants to stay around is just sort of like how, you know, how as a say, as a person of color, you sort of try to navigate these systems that are not created for you.  It's like you have to break and you sort of put on these masks to get to this place. And then what happens when you get beyond even the understanding of yourself where even what your identity is has to a point that's like almost a point of no return. And that's the story. You mean you see what I'm saying? Like, right, you're right.  Like what does your character want? What are they doing happens to them in this scene? What happens to them in this scene? I mean, could you think of any Shakespeare, any, you know, one of Shakespeare's plays that we know and love? It's a story about a character or series of characters, right? First and foremost, that's what it is. OK, and then all the themes come kind of later, you know, as you as you as we unpack the play, the themes and the issues and the relevance to today or yesterday or whatever come later. So as much as you can focus on your story of your character, what they are doing, what they want, what happens to them from scene to scene to scene? Where are they in the beginning? What are they trying to achieve? Where are they at the end of the play? Or at the end of the story, if you want, you know, OK, focus on the story at least as much as you're focusing on the. Architecture of it. Because again, form and content are connected like plot and character are the same thing. OK. So as much as you can tell yourself the story of your play. Got you. And when you're like holding on to that story, right, like if the character says, like, I want this, you know, and you're sort of like trying to kind of like listen to that voice, you know, amongst the other, right, stuff, the noise. Is there is there anything that you would say, like, how to listen better to that character? Well, if they say, I want this, like, follow that. Do you know what I mean? I want this. OK. You want to be, you know, I don't know.  OK. How are you going to go about that? You know, get into conversation with your character. How are you going to go about that? How do you want to achieve that? What are you going to do to get that? You know, does that make sense? So if your character says, I want something, then your your next question is, well, what are you going to do to get that? Who's in your way? Who's going to help you? Yeah. You know. How do you see what I'm saying? So and again, if you're using the Shakespeare play, great. You can read other Shakespeare plays to really study the form. If you're, you know, if you're cool with that kind of architecture, you know, it's a great way to learn architecture. Thank you. You're welcome. Good question, man. OK, so I might be on multiple screens, having a weird Wi-Fi moment. But the next person is Bernita. Can you hear us? Bernita, Bernita. Yeah, can you actually unmute her? I'm in a little trouble. I can't. Oh, yeah. Can I? Yes, you can. First, sometimes there's just a little delay there. There you are, Bernita. You're unmuted. Fantastic. I see you, Bernita. Hi, SLP. You were missed over the last two weeks. Oh, thank you. Yeah, no, thank you again. Excited that you're back and it's really been encouraging participating in this workshop over the last few weeks. I actually don't have a question today. I was just coming back to share that after my last question around my article on gratitude and COVID-19, I did finish it. It is now published. It's out in the world and it was totally helpful. Like my very much my quarantine experience has the running theme is like the gentleness, gentleness, gentleness. And it was still relevant the next week when it went out. And yeah, I just appreciated your support and it did get done. Oh, fantastic, Bernita. Congratulations. Great for you. Really, really great. Congratulations. That's why we're here. That's why we're here to cheer each other on. So great job. Yeah, thank you. What are you working on now? Oh, great question. Um, when I was actually sketching this afternoon, I guess like now I do have a question. I have a autobiography that I want to help get done. Um, the the subject is someone that I really admire, Norwell, worked with her. She has I've had several discussions with her, you know, like, when is your book going to come out? She's now in her early 80s and has had this amazing life.  So an amazing life. And but there's some block there. There was someone that she's been working with. She's not happy with that writer. But I have not been able to persuade her to give me a shot at being the person that helps her write her book. So just any thoughts on like what can be done when there is some block there with the subject that you want to write on or getting the person to open up because she's expressed. She's not happy with her current writer. But I don't know how to like kind of present myself as a potential person. Right. Right. She's not happy. I mean, so you want to help someone write their biography or autobiography, want to help someone write theirs. And they're they're working with a writer right now who's helping them, but they're not happy with that writer. And yet they aren't ready to work with another writer, specifically you. Yes. You really want to hear what I have to say. What else do you want to write? Oh, I just let that go.  I'd love to work with you and then work on, you know, turn your attention to something else that you want to work on. And maybe they'll come around and want to work with you in a month or so. You can touch base with them in a month or so and say, just checking in. But I would personally I would wait until they turn toward you and want to work with you. OK, OK, that's personally that's what I would do. One other thought I wanted to ask it because she has seen my writing and she has expressed that she feels that I'm a good writer. She's always like, this is such a great piece or great articles that I've written. The one other idea was do you think it would be helpful to say like, what if I wrote a page or what if I wrote a sample chapter that kind of gives and gives thought to the direction I'm thinking for this? Would that be helpful or am I just better off?  I like to go out with I mean, I'm married now. But, you know, I like to go out with people who want to go out with me. I don't chase people, you know what I'm saying? I don't chase people. So I feel like if you want to chase, I mean, there's a lot of stories. Sure, you can go and woo her and write for her and and try to. Sure, if you want to do that, that's great. That's a great idea. It is, you know, if someone does not, but no, if someone does not. She thinks you're a great writer. She's going to get if she wants to give your chance, great. But it sounds like she might be for who knows reason. Maybe she has a contract signed with this person. You know, she is a meshed with somebody who she is not pleased with.  OK, OK, you know, you can you can show her your good writing. You can write something on spec. She can take it and say, hey, it's my biography. I'm going to use it for my book and not hire you. You know, I would want you to while you're doing how about this do both while you're doing if you want to show her an example of your writing and show her what a wonderful writer you are. That's great, Vernita. And in the meantime, also think about something else that you want to write that's yours. OK, OK, just just focus on yourself. Focus on you.  Here I am. I'm sitting at my dining room table doing watch me work. People you guys show up and ask questions. Great. If people don't show up, I can't help them. You know what I'm saying?  You can show her a work sample. Great. But in the meantime, I'm concerned about you and your writing and your writing that's coming from you. Because I hear you not giving that enough attention. That's all. OK, that's all. So I care about you. That's all. So do both. How about, OK? OK, OK, OK. I'll be back. OK, great. I'm glad. All right. Thank you. I'll be here. All right. Yeah, up up next, we've got tomorrow. Tomorrow. Can you hear us? Let's see. Sorry for all the tech issues today. You never had tech issues. I know, I think your internet was weird yesterday. It's like a whole thing. It's like a whole thing. Thea, can you unmute tomorrow on it? Thank you. Can you hear me? I can hear you. Hey, there. I can't. I can't see you tomorrow, but it's OK. I can hear you. So I'll listen really closely. OK, then. Oh, there you are. Oh, yay. I've been wondering about rhythm and language lately because I'm in 12th grade now, and our final project is giving a TED talk to the grade. I'm also doing a poetry slam with some friends. And though I know that rhythm is important, I find myself often tweaking it too much when I'm writing instead of focusing on getting my message out. And I know that rhythm is just one of many tools that are to do so. So I'm wondering how you approach, like, how much time does it make sense to give to that aspect and that technique as opposed to looking at things on the whole. The reason I'm asking you this is because I saw that you're a musician at a playwright, so I feel like you'll have good perspective on this. What do you think? Ha, I am. It's again, it's a delivery system. Rhythm is a delivery system, right? Even when we're not trying to speak in a rhythmic manner, you can hear in the words, speak in a rhythmic manner. That's rhythm, right? Everything we say is in a rhythmic manner. If we want to convey, say convey our message, right? So I would say focus on what you want to say and the rhythm is going to reveal itself to you the more you focus on what it is that you want to say. Right? Does that make sense? Maybe not. So would that mean, like, deprioritizing, like, say, rewriting a sentence a few times and more focus on getting it out and then coming back to it? Do you stand up and speak your words aloud when you try them out? No. Try that. Do you get your body into your language? No, I'll try that. Because language is a physical act. Well, a lot of us think that it's something that goes on from your, you know, top of your head to your neck, right? It's an intellectual exercise. Well, it involves your whole body. So when you speak, right?  Not that you have to dance around like that. It doesn't have to be a choreo poem. Jesus Christ, it doesn't have to be that. You don't have to be like Saki Shange, although that'd be cool, right? You should employ rhythm. It's just like, it's just like character. It's just like architecture. It's just like form and content. Rhythm is an integral part of your language. So what you want to do is maybe when you read your piece out loud, stand up and deliver it, right?  No. Maybe, you gotta stand, right? Yeah. Are you gonna move or are you gonna just stand really still? Oh, I'm gonna move. Oh, you're gonna, so you got to practice moving, girl, right? Yeah. So when you haven't written, you have a first draft or a second draft or whatever. So then I want you to try standing up and saying the words like you mean them, right? Because you're not gonna be like a, what? Does that go for wallowing in the middle of the crafting yet? Sure, why not? Okay. You can stand up and write. Okay. Sing it. You know, say it. You're gonna say it out loud. It's a TED talk. It's not a scholarly paper that we sit and read, right? Even though those can be rhythmic and beautiful too. Put your body into it. All right. Yeah, persuade people. Move people. To move people, I think you've got to be moved a little bit yourself. You know, language is a physical act. Remember, it's a whole body experience. You're transmitting energy to people. It's not just thoughts.  All right. Thank you so much. And you're in 12th grade. Are you graduating? Yes. What are you guys gonna do for graduation? I don't know yet, but I'm looking forward to hearing the Obama speak. That's gonna be great. Where do you go to school? I go to Manhattan High School for Girl. Congratulations, Tamara. Congratulations. Yay, you're in the class of 2020. We're counting on you to pull us through tomorrow. So, thanks. Thanks for being fabulous. Thanks for coming by. Yeah, there you go. Yeah, you start moving, girl. You got to start moving your whole body, getting into it. Okay. All right. Thanks for stopping by. All right. You're hysteric. You got two computers. Here I am. We're doing it. Next is Kathleen and we're gonna unmute. Did it work? Okay. Can you hear me? Yeah. All right. Okay. Well, it's very cool to browse the gallery and look at everybody who's here and just be so mystified about what they were writing in the first 20 minutes. I'm a historian, so my question might be a little bit offbeat, but I'm looking for tips on how to integrate more dialogue and anecdote into my, I hopefully not so dry history writing. I mean, somebody who's really good at this is like Hillary Mantle. I mean, her dialogue and her historical novels is just fabulous, but if you can expire to that, but I thought a playwright would be a good person to ask. Well, I mean, I don't read much historical fiction, but I read like, I read years ago, like biographies or like Simon Schama, you know, who makes it. He's great. Yeah. So for me, history is about people, right? So you wanna get, as you know, so you wanna get as much of the, instead of just what they're doing, maybe what they're feeling, you know?  Well, I don't know. I just know that I've been doing it for a long time, but I don't do it well. And I write non-fiction history, not historical fiction. Not historical fiction, but so you have to adhere closely to the historical record, right? Yes, I definitely use a lot of sources and research. Right. But in that historical record, you can, if they say, you know, the historical figure went to town on foot, right? That day. I mean, maybe that's in the historical record, right? You can imagine, you can use your imagination maybe to fill in some of those gaps. Can you, are you allowed to do that? Yeah, actually, you just gave me an idea. I'm doing this thing on seating on the subway. Okay. I should put thought balloons in for people like looking at each other and saying, oh, will she move her packages if I stare at her enough? Or, you know, maybe thought balloons would be like a light kind of technique to do this. Exactly.  You know, just sort of your imagination can enter into the lives of historical characters to fill in some of those gaps, you know? Or you can take the snippets of letters that they've written and maybe expand on those or even use letters that they've written as dialogue, you know? Just allow yourself a little bit of freedom, I think with a lot of times when either we write, you know, we work with historical characters or write, you know, historical nonfiction, we feel very constrained, you know? But I think we're allowed to use our imagination a little bit in appropriate ways that adheres to the historical character, I think. Yeah, thought bubbles are a great way to start. Great way to start. See, you had that idea. That's great. That's great, actually. Have fun with it, Kathleen. Thanks for the question. Thanks. Amazing. Thank you, Kathleen. Up next, we're gonna have Carol Shiner Wilson. All right, Carol, do we have you? You have me. Hi, Carol. Hi, everybody. Hi. And Kathleen, I just yesterday finished Hilary Mantel's The Mirror and the Light. Wow. Wonderful insights to character all along the way, but it is arresting to read the last few pages as Cromwell is in the tower preparing for death and contemplating that and actually walks to the scaffold. It is chilling and real. So you haven't read it yet? Get at it. Wow. That question is this. And I'm a writer. I cannot presume to have written a play or a novel or much of anything, but I do love, I'm a reader too and I'd love to read. My question is about objects, concrete objects. So for example, and I mentioned it in the chat, when you have something like a watermelon in Last Black Man, or you have those incredibly fragile characters, the little animals in Last Menagerie, objects work magic. And I have a little piece where it's a kind of a tortured guy feeling very, very guilty. He's an addict.  And that object to me expresses a lot. So maybe part of what I'm asking badly is to kind of help me help us unravel the magic. I can recognize when it's the right object.  Could you talk to us a little bit more about objects and how, yeah, there's this concreteness, but they take on an incredibly meaningful life of their own. That's a beautiful question. I don't know if I have an answer. I think an answer I have is anything can be the thing. That's what I actually believed. Okay, so the Glass Menagerie, great. So he decided to choose an object, right? And he just, it's like, it was a bell. This is the bolt, you know? And he just kept ringing it, right? He just kept looking at it, contemplating it. And I mean, I'm guessing, I don't know how he wrote, Tennessee Williams wrote that play, but he contemplated it and it expanded in his mind and helped make the world of the play, for example. Last Black Man, my play, The Watermelon, expanded and made the world of the play. Any object can do that. You see what I mean? The handkerchief, my question is, whose handkerchief is it? Was it given to him? Was it his mother's? Was it his dad's with the monogram? You know what I mean? Does it have a smell? Any object can work magic. If you apply your attention to it, it's a rock. This can be a magical object, right? If you apply your attention to it, I think that's the key. A timer can be mad. Any object has magic. It's not like you have to pick the right object. You know what I mean? It's that you have to attend to it properly. And it will sing. All objects will sing. Does that make sense? Beautiful, thank you.  We just, you have to focus on them.   Okay. Great, thank you. Yeah, thank you. It was a beautiful question, Carol. Thank you, Carol. We've got about five minutes left, and we're gonna go on to Hasan. Are you with us? Yes. Hi. Hello, hi. Yeah, and how are you doing, Ben? Hi, I'm good, I'm good. I feel a bit nutty of asking one more question, but I'm gonna sneak it in. It's been a little while. Yeah. So I've done this rewrite of my, this big epic play that is like Tarami and Juliet type of story, but certain in an Arabic context. And I think my main characters are doing well. I have three main characters, a kind of Rami and Juliet and an Iago kind of figure. Oh, great. And their objectives and their obstacles and everything I think is in place. Great. I think where the play is weak is on some of the more secondary characters. Now there are about 20 characters altogether in this play. I mean, some of them are just soldiers or messengers, but some have more kind of weight. So my question is this, is it helpful to write out for every character, for all the 20, even if it's very little, what is their objective? What is their obstacle? And what is preventing them from getting it, you know, the classic stuff to write all of that out for the 20 characters when I do my redrafting? With that, do you think that's a helpful strategy? Because I worry particularly about the parents of the two couple, that they often want the same thing. So you then wonder, well, why do I have two characters when I could have one? And I want to have two characters. I want to have two sets of parents, but maybe they're not distinct enough. Will that strategy to write out the objectives be helpful or is there some other strategy? Yeah. So are you concerned that you're gonna find that you don't need certain characters? Is that why you're holding back from this strategy? My gut feeling is that I need the two parents for the two sets of parents. Just like in Romeo and Juliet, we have both the capitalist and the Montague. But sometimes I feel, particularly for the mothers, I feel they're kind of following the fathers because it's a patriarchal society where the men have more of it. And I haven't yet figured out ways for them to be more active as independent characters. And I can just imagine being in a rehearsal with actors and the actress is asking me, what is my objective? What is my overall arc and all that? And I worry that they've repeated some of the same beats as the fathers. Right, right. So I would say employ that strategy that you talked about.  Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, of course you do. So you got a little time. So I would say employ that strategy. You've got 20 characters, that's plenty of time. You gotta take a couple of days, right? Two or three days maybe, a week maybe at the most to write out, even if it's just a line, this soldier wants such and such, you know? I think what's probably, you probably don't have a clear view of the parents. You haven't just done enough digging. So you just take a little bit of time to think about it. What does she want? She says, she might say she wants what the husband wants. But what does she really want? I mean, in cultures that are patriarchal or even in this culture, a lot of wives, yeah, I want what my husband wants. The guy goes, you know, in the kitchen, she's like, I got my own opinion here. I just say, I just agree with him because if I don't, then I'll be in trouble but I got my own thing going. So a lot of women operate like that. A lot of men do too, you know, creating harmony in the household and then when the spouse is at a distance they speak their true mind. This might be true of some of your characters. You gotta do a little digging, okay? That's great. You got the time, do your digging and yeah, and create lovely, and then you do your digging on paper and then you do a pass for each character. So when you're rewriting, you go through and you say I'm gonna follow character A and follow her through and okay, good. Now I'm gonna look at character B and I'm gonna follow her and I'll follow him. Okay, you just go through and you do a pass, just kind of checking in with each character through your whole play. Right. You know, so first you do a sheet. Yeah, go ahead. Maybe you just gave me a thought as I was saying that maybe my problem is that I've got the parents in too many scenes together and maybe what I haven't done is to separate them out as characters and have them be in scenes with other people where something else is revealed. Yeah, very good, very good. Maybe that's a start, yeah, great. Yes, yes, yes, yes, very good, great idea. See, you had a great idea. Great, thank you so much. Thank you so much. You're welcome so much. 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So guys I am back with another Cyberpunk 2077 video, and today I will teach you three amazing ways to earn tons of money from the get go, so let's get into it. How's it going guys? My name's DPJ and if you do enjoy the video leaving a like really helps out and if you like what you see and want to see more Cyberpunk be sure to subscribe. Okay so there are plenty of new players to the world of Cyberpunk, plenty of returning players. It's an amazing Cyberpunk edge runner show, so I thought I'd bring you guys for all you new players and returning players, three amazing ways to make plenty of money after the latest 1.6 patch update. So firstly guys we have something you all can do right away. So you want to come to this fast travel point called Martin Street. From here guys come to this area. You want to come to this assault in progress. Once you get here guys you want to make a save.  Now one of these enemies guys will have up to 950 eddies on them. Sometimes it can be a lot lower and that was the point to the save we just made. If the body doesn't have a decent enough high figure of eddies on them load that save and repeat the process of killing the enemies. Once you eventually get a decent amount on the body, I'd probably say 800 upwards is a decent amount, don't loot the body but pick the body up instead. From here guys you want to place this body in his car's boot or car's trunk. You will then see a bag appear above the car. This bag you can then go ahead and loot. It will be the contents of the body you just put in the car, meaning it will contain that certain amount of eddies. Then guys all you have to do from here is run 100 foot away from the car and come back to it. You will see the bag will have respawned its contents meaning you can loot that money again and it can do this unlimited amount of time just running away and coming back to it until you are bored. And while this method actually works across the entire map, if you find a body with a ton of money on it, pick it up, place it in a nearby boot or trunk, loot the bag, run away, come back, loot again, simple. Now there's actually a way in which you can do this and earn 5000 eddies at a time. Yes there is a body with 5k eddies on it. Problem is it's a part of a early on side gig. When I say early on, I mean a lot of people don't do side gigs until they've done the main game so it may still be there for you. But if you've already gone past this, you've already done it guys, you can't return to do it unless, well, new game plus or you start a new character. For the side gig is called Prophet Song. Now to initiate this gig, you have to come to Gary the Prophet. Now he can be located right here on the map near the Bradbury and Burren fast travel spot.  When the dialogue option comes up, make sure you agree with what he's saying. Eventually, he will ask for a donation. Donate to him 100 eddies. From here, run out of the area and come back to him. I'm not sure if skipping time by 24 hours works, I'll just run out of the area and come back to him. But try that if it don't, run out of the area.  Now on the 5th time of you coming back to him, things change a little. Here guys, you have to agree with him again, but you also have to protect him and defend him against a couple of nomads that will appear here. So once they try and fight, make sure you kill them both. Upon doing this, return to Gary the Prophet. From here guys, again clear his dialogue, agreeing with what he's saying. Eventually, he will give you the location of a meetup that's happening that proves his conspiracies. So then, go to the location in regards to progressing the side gig, a Prophet's song. Now upon you get into the location, you'll see Johnny and you have to speak to him. Upon doing this, you need to get into a position to listen to the meetup, or listen in on the meetup.  Upon doing that guys, you are looking for two bodies in suits, one of which will have 5k eddies on them. Remember, do not loot the body, instead pick the body up. Upon finding the body guys, pick it up and go ahead and place it in his car's boot. And while the same method works here, a bag will appear, loot it, it will contain 5k eddies, run away, come back, loot a game. Rinse and repeat until you are a million air people, or until you're bored. It's literally 5k every 10 seconds. Enjoy this. Ok so next up guys, we use a method where it requires a duplication glitch to be super efficient. If you don't know about the duplication glitch, you'll learn about this here also. Now this is a method of already covered in which you will see a snippet from that video of me explaining the process. It requires you to be able to craft items including rares, epics and legendos. So listen in. Ok so what we need to do guys is, firstly you need to be able to craft. So I'm going to show you the best case scenario, I'm going to craft a legendary item. We can do this with epics, we can do this with rares, it doesn't matter. We're going to craft said items, and sell said items for our big big profits. To craft these things you need to have your crafting specs leveled into. So to craft rares you need to craftmen, if you want to do epics, grease monkey and if you want to do legendos, it's edger and artisan. Simple as that. Now these will just discount other things, make things reducing costs, you don't need any of these perks I've got selected but hey, simple. Ok so make sure you have them, if you can, if you can't like I said if you're just starting a game you want to make money, this is going to be your best pet, it's going to be rares, you're going to only be able to make a profit on crafting rares and selling them. Now the best item I have to craft, which is going to earn me the most money, is the G58, I get 2255 per sale on this thing. Now if you don't have this blueprint yet and you can craft legendos, check out this quick little clip on the screen now where this is, go get this thing guys. Ok so once you have this like I said I'm going to demonstrate to you guys best case scenario, but like I said you can do this with any blueprint, so if you have a blueprint for the Overwatch or whatever, if you have a blueprint for a rare, whatever if it ain't at the stage where you can create or craft epics or legendos and rare is going to be your only option in earning money, but like I said you'll still turn around a decent amount of money guys, so yes look up a guide on YouTube for blueprints to the rares or the epics, it's as simple as that guys, once you have that blueprint come back to this video, you're going to make a big big profit so imagine as well. Ok so as you can see here the G58DN for me costs 14 rare item components, 14 epic item components and 4 legendary components, that is at a discount as you can see because my crafting is leveled up normally 25, 25 and 7, either way, so what we need to do guys is buy these rare components, these epic components and these legendary item components, if you don't have any you need to buy some. Now where you buy them from is junk shops, now junk shops are all over the city but I'm going to use this one right here because it's right next to a drop point which we want to go to, so as you can see right here this junk shop is great because there's a drop point right next to it, so yeah come to this one it makes things a lot easier, you don't have to, you can go to any junk shop but hey come to this one, that's what I'm going to anyway, so for me, come over and speak there we go, skip ahead, skip ahead, okay so you can see she's selling the items I need, one, two and three, so what I'm going to do guys is I'm going to buy all of these because I've got the money to do so, if you haven't got the money to do so don't worry buy as many as you can but make sure you buy a good portion of each, so I'm just going to buy more because I can, I've got the money to boom, ba da bom and ba da bom bom bom, there we go, simple, I've got the items I need, again if you're crafting a legendary or if you're crafting a rare make sure you buy what you can of said material you need, okay so now we want to get to the drop point, now you can use that as shop, you can sell to the woman at the shop but as I go to a drop point because it's nice and quiet and there, so we'll go to this drop point right over here because what we're going to do guys is, and this is a little sneak, we're going to actually duplicate said items we've just brought, we're going to duplicate them, so come to here and what we're going to do guys in this out works it's quite easy, so the items I've just brought, I've just brought these, so the legendary item components I've got 190 so what I'm going to do is I'm going to sell 108 of these and keep one for myself, I'm going to keep one in my inventory and sell 108 to this drop point, boom, there we go, so I've got one, there's 108 here, now this is the glitch part, so what we want to do guys is we're going to go to the very end and we're going to go down too, so we're going to leave two inside of the drop point, so whatever number you've got there always leave two inside of the drop point and here guys on Xbox what you want to do is you want to press X and A at the same time, on PlayStation at square and X at the same time as you can see on screen now, so to do this glitch like I said on Xbox X and A at the same time, on PlayStation it's square and X at the same time and what happens is this, you can see you press it you get the items there in your inventory but then guys they appear back here, so you can just buy the full set again, simple as that, there you go they've duped, simple guys, simple and they've duped for literally no cost whatsoever, there's no money involved here what sort of that, it's a couple of hundred at least for all of them and you don't even need to do all of them at the same time, you can build up your money before you start duping them in high number or high quantities, so now guys we're going to go down to the epics what we just did, where are they right there, so again I'm going to put them all in but one, so we're going to put 150 but keep one for ourselves, so there we go, we've got one and then there is a 149 inside of here, so I'll click on this, go to the very end and keep two inside the drop point and again guys make sure as well you're in on the bar here because you can mess things up and just do the same thing, if it don't work it can bug out like that as you can see it's bugged out, buy them out, buy them back, it doesn't really matter, you ain't losing no money, you're probably best to actually come out and go back in, in between each dup, probably makes sense doing that, I should have said that at the start, so just come out the machine and come back in between each dup and then guys come back down, so again we're going to sell all but one, sell all but one, so we're going to keep one for ourselves as you can see right there and then guys we're going to buy back all but two, but remember we're going to press an Xbox, it's a X and A, a PlayStation, a Square and X and then we're just going to go bam, there we go, pop that up, you can see I've got them there, 140A I'll put in, or 147, whatever, then I'm just going to buy them all back, simple, there we go, dupe them as well, then guys we're going to go down to the rest, where are they now, they should be around here somewhere, there they are, so we're going to come out, okay so we're going to come down to the rest, item components, I mean I got so much shit here man, again we're going to sell all but one, there we go, now click on them, go to the very end, come back two, make sure there's two kept inside of the drop point and again Xbox, it's X and A, PlayStation, Square and X, PC users help each other out down below, I've got a clear comment, remember playing on PC, such a while back, again so then bam, there we go, double the value, simple as that and you can do this as many times as you want, I'm just doing a quick demonstration here, you can dupe all day or night if you want to, that's completely up to you, okay so now guys I've got a lot of materials to duplicate, I mean to craft a ton, I mean I've just lost there 636, probably a little bit more, who cares, okay so 636, that's literally the price of one of these I'm going to sell, so I can craft as many as I want, I mean I've got plenty of materials now because I've just been duping them, I'm duping them, and duping them, and duping them, I mean I can sit here all day, like I said if you've got 30k, if you've got 20k, if you've got 10k even, you can make a ton of money doing this, a ton of money doing this, you actually don't even need that much money, but it just helps in regards to buying the materials to actually craft, so the more you have to dupe at the start, the better, okay so then we just sell, boom, 2025, or 2255 even, excuse me, I'm tired guys, I'm tired, then we could just burn out this drop point, burn it out, burn it out, burn it out guys, and then you can simply just skip time by 24 hours, it really is that simple, skip time by 24 hours, this is so fiddly, and an analog stick, there we go, there we go, skip time, come back to the drop point machine, sell them again, you will earn a ton of money doing this, now using that method guys, you can earn even more per sale, but it does require you to be a level 20 in that crafting, so you can spec into crazy science, and as you can see, the more you spec into it, the more money you earn for those weapons you've crafted when it comes to selling them, so yes guys, a great way to make stupid money fast, and there we have it guys, three amazing ways to earn super quick money in cyberpunk after the 1.6 edge runners update patch, guys if you enjoyed the video leave a like, really helps add to your like, why do you think you want to see more cyberpunk, be sure to subscribe, and hopefully guys, I'll see you on that next one.


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