All right, we're good to go All right, welcome everyone My name is Sean dig. I'm on the TC. I do Nova Dev stack QA things And my name is Terry Perez at the TC and doing all his management stuff we'll be Mentioning in this talk the older changes that we went through over the last like six to twelve months of our Opposite governance of the stack projects governance and and what what we actually implemented there So we'll like introduce the rationale why we actually made those changes What the change actually was the direct consequences of the change and and where we're like sitting right now? and There's a whole lot of information here and people have had a lot of questions So this talk is really structured We're going to try to move through things relatively quickly and leave a Extended QA session at the end so that all of the burning ideas that you've got Things that you might be confused about things you want to talk about we can do then So let's just start with kind of why we got made changes this past fall You know if you look a little bit back at the history of open stack, you know, we started this five-year mission with two projects Nova Compute Swift object store And over time the number projects in open stack grew Some of these were parts of existing projects that split out to have their own separate teams become a little more modular Other things were new good ideas that people had that fit within the realm of open stack Like interesting things that you would want to do in or with a cloud over time We built process around that to deal with the fact that there were so many of these projects coming in and we had a formal incubation cycle And things matured and there was this ladder that they went up Where that left us was this picture, which is in every open-stack presentation ever And explains almost nothing because it's a big complicated mess, right? And this is where we had gotten there was a lot of projects in open stack and the process of adding something new meant because of all the coupling and all the interaction patterns a really sort of Interesting and hard puzzle game to figure out how this came in and interacted with everything else correctly all at the same time We have effectively gotten to a point where Our eventual consistency model was not working at the scale of the number of projects that we had And and that is what is what we call the integrated release that was the one and only product of our community was this set of core projects that we would release every every six months on a predictable schedule and As the as our community grew We encountered these products that this integrated release was too small and too big at the same time It was too small to express the the rich diversity of the projects that were Naturally appearing in our ecosystem and and that were part of our community on one side and and on the other It was already too big for anyone to consider installing all the pieces in any kind of open-stack deployment So the other Problem we we quickly had with this single integrated release concept Was that since it was the only answer that we were able to give we started up piling too many questions? Too many questions of which the integrated release was the answer So there were like release management or people working in packaging wanted to know is it part of the release? Is it something I need to Work to release at the end at the end of the cycle is it something I should strive to package to package open-stack in the end? People from QA or or the continuous integration would ask the question is it's things we need to Test together is it things we we that are so tightly Related that we have to test every single proposed commit Against the current state of development of all the other projects and the answer to that was the integrated release as well Then enthusiasts wanted to know is it part of the ecosystem? Is it part of what the this thing this community this summit you call open-stack? You would have operators wanting to know is this mature enough to deploy? Is it something that is left the experimental stage to the point where you can you can safely deploy it? Operators again wanted to ask a slightly different question which was is it stable enough? Is it is it something that you will change completely overnight below me or is it something I can build? On top of the API's you propose are you going to support those API's for a long time if you deprecate a feature? how long it will take and We still had a single answer to that was the integrated release And users wanted to know if this is part of the is this a part of every single Open-stack cloud that they will find out there Is it is it the minimum? Interoperability features that we are required to to interpret between clouds finally developers Well last but not least developers wanted you know if if the thing they were working on was considered valuable was considered first-class And and it's not just developers also their employers would just only fund developers working on Open-stack projects So only on project that were part of the integrated release So we had this chicken-and-egg problem where we were asking those projects that were coming up to be mature stable part of Tests to code take co-gated tested together and at the same time We were preventing resources to get to them because we were basically saying these are not first-class citizens yet and Finally cross-project teams would would try to survive over all this because everything we added to the integrated release We had this inception that cross-project efforts throughout Open-stack would have to support them So documentation would have to produce documentation for everything that is in the integrated release or release management will have to Basically handle manage the release process for all those projects QA would write tests I mean there was this assumption that that anything we add to the to the integrated release will have to spread support for it and that created this situation where those those teams are really constrained in resources and Anything we added just just put too much strain on them So we were at this at this stage by by by the Juno cycle we couldn't grow the integrated release anymore We couldn't reduce it anymore either Any project that we would add would have to be a positive answer to all those different questions that people use the integrated release as the single answer for and So there was a lot of pressure new projects still coming 100% of the technical committee activity was was just handing this incubation later and We could not just accept new project at the end of it So there was this bottleneck and time was really ripe for a reboot of the system. So this realistically what we're looking at was Refactoring the community, right? This is what you get to with any large software stack at some point you have to decide What? It's time to refactor. It's time to figure out what's working. Don't break that Figure out where your bottlenecks are and eliminate them and then go and realize some interesting new patterns had already emerged organically down underneath you and grab those things and replicate them other places and the beginning of this Refactoring the the key fundamental sort of switch in your head for this is changing the question of Is this open stack to are you open stack? Because it turns out Open stack is made of people Right we kept having this idea that that we were blessing Maybe functional areas but turned out what it really was was teams that were delivering an interesting thing and that had a community around them We have a set of tests In our mind going forward with the Big Tent about what are you open stack means? There's sort of four basic points The first of which is do they align with the open stack mission, right? The open stack mission is to produce an open source ubiquitous cloud platform That works for public private and hybrid at small and large scales all scales Is this a project which helps put forward that mission? Is it something that? is a sensible service that would add into that a Tool that helps move that forward something that consumes existing open stack in an interesting way that's part of That thing that we're all trying to do together There's the Do these projects these groups of people do things in the open stack way we have an open stack way It's the four opens right is it being done an open source license is the community being run in an open way We have this mechanism for Voting for leadership And the way that contributions work in projects is the development being done in the open through our toolchain Garrett the way our core review system works the way our upstream testing works as the design being done in the open just being done informs like this on Public archived channels and public archive mailing lists so that anyone has the ability to participate in that It's not happening, you know in someone's hallway somewhere at just one entity and Do these projects? Coming in do they ensure some basic interoperability with the rest of open stack? Specifically, you know the minimum barrier we're talking about here is if they have users They have to interact with Keystone like you clearly are an open stack if you do that and you should Try whenever possible whenever it makes sense not to duplicate something else there But sometimes there's more than one answer to a particular problem and that's okay And allowing that and encouraging that our community is fine And lastly, you know, we have this technical committee, which is directly elected by all the technical contributors if you want to be Are you open stack you have to say that we'll take guidance from the technical committee when it's important There's sometimes times when the TC has to Work across all the projects to solve a thing for all of open stack together So the the other side of the change is what we call tags And so on one hand we make the open stack tend to way more inclusive of the values new Projects that are make up our community, but at the same time we want to provide clearer Information about those projects so that you can more easily navigate this this this tent and Tags are meant to provide the information to downstream users of open stack They are not meant to be project badges that every project should collect to be a good open stack citizen all those tags are must be driven by one question that is useful for the consumers of that ecosystem and provide a precise answer to the question rather than lump all the All the questions into a single concept called the integrated release and hope that the TC will make the call if you meet all of them or not So the idea is we no longer need to have a single answer. We can be extremely precise We just need to find the right questions now, which is slightly different the the consequences of the direct consequences of those two to approaches Well, it doesn't change that much The on the fact is there were open stack projects beyond the integrated release already There were projects developing on on the open stack. They've mainly is participating in the design summit participating in the conference here Behaving the open stack way following following advice from from the rest of the community developed really in the open and They were just considered second-class citizens. They were not part of the integrated release So they would not get that design summit space as much design summit space as the blessed project But they were existing and we are just recognizing the fact that they were existing already and they were open stack already the the other Non-consequence is that it doesn't really dilute our ability to focus on on important things That's a common fear with with the introduction of this change. Is that like more project that means you will dilute more the Especially the cross-project efforts, but it's quite the other way around because cross-project efforts already had to Support all the integrated release and they had no choice in that They could not they had to support equally anything that the TC would add to the integrated release and that created a lot of strain and we Move that the other way around where those cross-project efforts now can choose to focus their efforts on a smaller set of project that they They feel more comfortable working with and that's again a change that was already started to be implemented like the documentation team no longer Created documentation for for all the projects at the same time. I think shine will touch on that. Yeah To a dueling flippers so An important part of this is the horizontal teams Moving to a more self-service model. So as Terry said, this is already starting to happen And it was one of these patterns that was emerging that we tried to capture and sort of formalize going forward The horizontal teams just couldn't support everything that we were that we were trying to do so instead started to pivot and be as responsible for building some sort of framework For which projects could provide their own service for that particular function documentation testing even dev stack integration and let the horizontal teams focus on Maybe a smaller set of things plus an easy way for anyone that's in our community to plug into it We have a whole bunch of examples of this that have already happened You know the the external plug-in interface to dev stack was one of these ones that that I was working on to make it Just super simple anything anybody wants to plug in. Here's a hook and a stable interface and Now you can have a very easy development environment That integrates your thing with all the other parts of open stack that you want to integrate with The documentation team, you know in this last cycle had previously been many maintaining API docs Themselves and their own repositories like all the Nova API documentation is now back in the Nova tree where it probably belongs And it's now a Nova ownership responsibility, which is what it should be right every project Needs to kind of own all all the parts of its artifacts that come out And you know can ask for help can ask for help with tooling from other from some of the horizontal teams, but Has to get into this model where each project is responsible for its own vertical to become a durable element This gets Even more interesting. We started talking about testing because as Terry said before our our old testing model was we take everything in open stack at every commit level and Throw it all together and run a bunch of integration tests and like thumbs up or thumbs down And that gets really really complicated to figure out what the thumb down was when we're now talking about 40 get trees You know, this is like to think of this as testing with clay, right? If you are a sufficiently skilled artist you can build really really cool things out of clay and That's what we were giving our community was a pile of clay this new model where we're kind of moving things into Back into the projects We are trying to go with more of this Lego model durable elements that we test in smaller units That then we can plug together and assume that other parts are already working There you are limited by what you can build with Legos, but a lot more people can do this And if we're talking about ubiquitous cloud computing The lots more people is a really important part of this So another another aspect is how do releases look in this in this big tent? So there won't be an integrated release anymore as such at the end of the Liberty cycle We'll still have coordinated release point at the end of the six-month cycle for the project that are willing to To commit to those those deadlines and those milestones But the main change is that we'll will move from managing most of them to Refine processes and provide tools for each project to be able to Produce those releases easier and that should make my job Smarter, which is a good news That the binding aspect is the release the development cycle We would still all use be using a six-month development cycle Even if some project might do intermediary releases where it makes sense But we would still mostly organize everything in six months development cycles between between design summit that one of the key I think question that is still opens is how do we redefine from a marketing perspective the communication around releases? because those used to be Predigested in like number of new features or number of bug fixes or number of contributors number of new projects and Those metrics don't necessarily make a lot of sense in this new world where you add new projects so we need to we need to revise the Marketing work around around release time because we won't be able to communicate the same type of information as Supposedly closed set of projects would follow you to again It's not it's not a complete change because we were adding projects before It's just recognizing that when we were communicating in number of features number of developers number of projects That might not have been a real metric to to judge this the health of up and stuck from Then present and future that's yeah So since we got rolling with this new big-tent model And we defined this much sort of simpler definition of what was open stat are you open stack and We've added a whole bunch of stuff We've added a number of things that were Look kind of like traditional open stack services rest apis that provides some particular point function you know things like Magnum in Congress and Magneto DB Morano and Mistral We've added The rally project which focuses on benchmarking and this is actually a very interesting case of you know There are some overlaps with the existing QA toolchain, but it takes a different approach to certain things And that's okay in this new model. We can have Related problems or even the same problem being approached in different ways By two teams that are you know working in the open stack way and producing good stuff We have some things that are different than we've ever had before Like there's a whole puppet open stack modules community that lets you There's a whole pipeline for building and installing a cloud using puppet They've been developing for a long time. It's very active base And now this is you know, they're definitely open stack and they're part of this whole thing I will expect to see other operator like elements coming in as well and You know another horizontal effort the security effort which was the traditional open-sack security group and Vulnerability management team kind of building a new thing and is building some new security audit facilities for Open-sack developers to be able to use These are all great things to have as part of our community They've always been part of our community and now they're recognized as such and they always wear open-stack Open-stack people open-stack groups. So it's just recognizing them for what they were already on the tags side We've been looking for questions that are interesting to to provide answers for We've been answering the question. When do I expect updates? How long do I have support? Is this something that will be released every six months by creating tags describing the release model? We've been also addressing the question of the long-term longevity of a project by creating a tag that describes if a team is Diverse so is is the team producing the project coming from a single company that might like change strategy and just drop it Or is it coming from a more diverse community and you can expect it to survive any any corporate roller coaster event The next the next questions we want you to to help answering is where do I start is I see you have this bunch of projects now Is it where where what are what are the bad with what is the base kit? I should I should probably be considering first before before deploying others Will my stuff break after I upgrade ties into the stability question What is the what is the commitment each project makes as to supporting features and APIs for over the long run? Is it is it the project that says well, I can break everything every release or is it the project? More mature project will say well, I will not deprecate your API forever And that type of commitment is not necessarily easy to extract from the current project documentation And will will create a tag for that to describe it more and make it extremely easy to access that information Next more good questions. We will be looking forward The questions that are useful for our community. We want more people involved We want operators directly involved in creating those tags maintaining them And defining the criteria that apply to them. We I talked about maturity and stability That's the first two examples that we want the ops to help us Define the meaning of what is mature and they are the best place to answer that question would and to to define what maturity actually means to them and Finally, we'll we'll have to make that more easily consumable especially by newcomers in the ecosystem Because not everyone knows that they need to look into the governance repository to see where the tags fall So we'll we'll probably work on a on a webs on the open stack.org website to exhibit that information for like general consumers newcomers to the ecosystem and Was that that brings us we are done Except we left plenty of time for questions because there always seem to be some there's a mic in the middle there Because this is being recorded to be great if you had a question if you went to the mic and asked it there Ready? Yes. Go for it. I had a question about Interoperability with regard to some of the deaf core stuff is one of these questions does a project Intend in the future to become part of the what will presumably be an expanding deaf core definition so today it does not and The way that the artifact that's currently in the bylaws around the TC's interaction with deaf core Is a thing that's called the TC approved release which Yes, hey, we even have a slide for it the TC approved release So there's specific wording in the bylaw that the TC has to produce this The There's a couple proposals out of what this is going to be in first iteration in first iteration This is probably going to be what was the integrated release and full stop and the The thing is of what's in the integrated release that the only The only thing this tag is important for is what the board will issue trademark programs on Right now of all the projects in this Over half of them are things the board has not Decided that is trademarkable So we feel like there is a lot of ground to be covered within the existing window Before we decide like something else needs to be added to that and that will probably be a pull model as much as a push But it's true that it's one of the meanings the integrated release had the because since that was the only answer we could give that was also used by the board as the the group of project that might make sense to apply trademarks on and Well, we'll we'll basically Refactor that into a new tag so that it's only used to mean that meaning rather than like have all those piled up meanings So God maybe first just kudos to you guys for working on this real challenge to scale this kind of community I thought refactoring was a great way to think about it Um You guys talked a little bit about The beginning of this some things that maybe the integrated release was kind of tough on it was the only answer to the question And you almost made it sound like well, maybe that was a bad idea why we do it but I think one of the big things that it got us is sort of a known quantity and I worry or I wonder what your thoughts are Moving forward with Big Tent that maybe documentation in one project versus the quality of the documentation or the dev stack Integration in another might not be as good you gave the the Lego analogy, which I thought was great But one of the reasons Legos work really well is they snap together very tightly so the One important aspect of that is we should be able to still know which projects are reaching a Satisfying level of documentation and currently we don't really have how would you quantify that though? Sorry How would you quantify a satisfactory level of documentation? That seems like a very difficult question to answer objectively is it not so There are fine lines in there, but reasonable people can say that this documentation is terrible right, so you know whether or not we're talking about like a Three-grade scale or like a you know, 20-grade scale like how you're gonna rate things or whatever I think it's You're right. There's certain things that require subjective human opinions here about what is this documentation sufficient for operators to Actually use this thing in a real way. Is it gonna be community-driven like people are gonna be doing likes on the thing like yeah Documentation is good on this one or this one's mature or this one has some longevity well So the part of the maturity tag when when we discussed it with the operators at the Philadelphia mid-cycle They they included the presence of a number of documentation guides as one of the metrics to consider a project operationally operationally mature and There are other things like a credibility the fact that you provide database migrations to over Over from one version to another a few other Key aspects the fact that you don't have to play with the database your with your own hands to actually be able to start Launching the project, but can do it with proper CLI or API access that type of stuff that doesn't really Is not necessarily obvious, but if if that group can refine a set of things that like Any mature project any project coding itself mature should should have that's I think a good Good way of looking at it and they will refine it They will improve it and I will encourage projects to actually reach that level of operational maturity which I think is We have to have a base standard and and currently some projects are under that yeah, and there's an integrated projects are under that Yeah, there's a dedicated session in the abstract about operator tagging That's on the schedule here this week. It's I think it's tomorrow and so anyone's it's just in that should dive in It's not recorded that's okay All right Next question How would the ATC status be? Defined in this new model so ATC is defined by the by the by laws by the open stack foundation by laws And it's a contribution to an open stack project So the there will likely be more ATCs That doesn't mean every ATC will get a necessarily I mean the fact that ATCs are invited to the summit is is like a Even staff decision basically currently we it's not even ATC is anymore now because ATC. It's like a few contribute over the last year and This time around only contributors from the last six months got invited so that we could reduce the the number of invitations so the There will be more ATCs. ATCs will all vote for the technical committee, which is like full circle with the constituency and and the elections and but the the rights of the ATCs as far as design summit go might might not just follow up not Every ATC might get to summit or something like this Great more questions I have a question you have a question go for it. What about programs Sean programs, right? so So as our open sack is made of people One of the real big drawbacks about the old model a drawback I don't know that we even really realized fully until we started to the new model was that we had this concept of a blessed Program like the compute program and then everything that had to do anything with anywhere near compute basically they had a global lock on that construct and You know one of the ways that this played out Suboptimally is some of the containers work that was happening where it's like well That's kind of maybe looks like compute. So it has to start and get through this set of gatekeepers Instead of the fact that it's kind of a different thing and it kind of a different API and it kind of should just Crop up on its own right Magnum like under the new model. We just said this is not a Nova scope This is this is Magnum has a thing which is about orchestrating containers within existing open stack stuff And so this program concept in these global locks on ideas Just goes away this is about project teams for groups of people that accomplish a thing and The fact that another group of people is accomplishing a thing that's near that thing It's fine, right? Yeah, and there are the old model. We ended up having Forcing some teams to work within other teams were you know artificial leadership They did not necessarily recognize the leadership of the group They were forced to work in and so that created unnecessary tension and and some project could not like lift the ground Leave the ground just because they couldn't grow inside an existing an existing program anymore So we basically aligned the structure with reality Which is there are groups of people that are working on an interesting stuff And we if they behave like an open-stack project and they've helped further the open-stack mission then yes They're one of us basically Yeah, so on the flip side of what you just discussed you also worry about Delusion of a particular area which has a current kind of global lock like we think Nova compute its synonymous You know what if we have ten different compute platforms or one per container technology and those kind of arise organically then you know It's not as clear to everyone who may not understand the nuances of the tagging system It may not have bought in from the beginning what the differences are and what's the right path for them And are we counting on you know vars to help them figure that out? I mean what is kind of the strategy around then what so we have a provision in the in the requirements for new project teams Which is that you should not unnecessarily duplicate or or compete for with an existing solution? So it's kind of a fuzzy requirement Obviously things that are lower in the in the stack like Nova Keystone would they would take a lot of It would take a lot of effort to convince the TC that we actually need a full new Implementation of the thing the glue that binds all those things together, which is the authentic the common authentication and But as you grow as you move up I your hub the stack like Metric collections we have already have multiple solutions for that and and maybe the market should decide which one is the best or Deployment we used to have a single deployment program And that prevented puppet modules from being developed within the the open stack community just because we had this deployment program that was focused on on on triple O and and It ended up not being the best the best idea in the world. So At least other avenues should have been pursued at the same time and this model Let's us make that judgment call where is competition beneficial or is it actually hurting the the open stack? Platform as well. Yeah, I mean at the end of the day, right the TC still gets a final like yes No on these things we have a set of guidelines so that it should be relatively smooth in most cases And but there's still a backstop of like no that would actually Substantially damage our community. We're not gonna let that you know live under this umbrella We haven't had to pull that trigger yet The stuff that's been coming in has been very clearly. Yep. This this makes sense like let's have it in but we reserve that as shepherds of the community and In one pop one point on the governance is that we actually iterate fast in the rules and the tags and the various things It's not as if we we had to get it right Forever in in and set it in stone and will apply it forever. It's not like the open stack foundation by those that takes Three years to change if you realize that they don't match reality. We can iterate fast on on those things and if Like Sean said we those guidelines are just guidelines for the TC to decide so you could totally See a TC in the next six months that will have a slightly different View on the rules that should be applied They they could they could basically edit that that list and add new things or remove things So it's not set in stone. Well, we'll see how it goes. We'll see We'll see the results. I'm confident that it's it's an improvement because we're basically matching the reality of our community rather than imposing From top to bottom a structure that is does not match how people work So I think it's an improvement, but we'll see With with time. We'll see if if that That's a definite improvement or if we need to iterate and improve again on the on the governance You know what else for the question we got a couple more minutes Just a quick one. Are these tags are pretty these ones or permanent? So the the tags The way the tags work is there if you propose a new tag There's a document within our repository which describes gives the whole context like here's the background Here's why you'd want it. Here's the The criteria for which it would be applied and here's the frequency that this should be revisited Some of these things are are sort of manual Things where it's like we'll do this sort of on a release cycle Others like the diversity tag There's some provision for doing it in a in a sort of more Dynamic way. Yeah, more dynamic way so that's part of Defining the the question that you want to ask You know a tag is really an answer to a question that's being asked and The timeliness of like how frequently that answer should be refreshed is part of that question and we try to Take that in so there's no global answer for that, but it's part of What a tag definition looks like is how often it it gets updated and will that be the TC who always checks whether the Requirements are fulfilled and the tag can remain So that the TC would probably still pull the trigger on the merge just because we own that repository But I expect a lot of tags to actually be refreshed by people that know the answer better than the TC members So if we define an operational maturity tag I I hope that the the ops would propose the changes and we would just well that that sounds about what the tag was Meant to be that corresponds to the tag definition. They apply the rules It doesn't have to be the TC members that do all the updating of the tags I hope we'll be able to decentralize completely maintenance of those tags. It's just that we're we're still enforcing that the Tags that are proposed are validated by the technical committee If only to make sure that they're actually answering a useful question Rather than you know, just be another batch that some project want to add to their collection So the yet is really to and to enforce that every tag is as a rational and is useful for the users and not just for process sake or And why I say that the TC approved for this tag is completely for the process because that's for communication for the board Okay, and who can propose tags? Anyone anyone anyone and and this is really a big part of this was you know One of our bottlenecks was all this information heading through only a technical committee We have a lot of smart people in our environment and they should All be able to participate in this mechanism. So, you know, if you're interested in helping step forward It's just a change on the governance repository and you just proposed it to change as a change in Garrett The tag definition is in the sub directory. He just proposed new one and I think we're out of time. So thank you all for coming


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No, well, I was, you know, you guys are from Atlanta, and when I moved to Atlanta in 2000, I think it was like 14, 15, 14, I lived with Block, Big Block, Russell Spencer, Big Block. And he married Chris Kelly, you know, his wife. Chris Kelly was big, he signed her, he moved from Jamaica, moved a family out here, I mean, out to Atlanta. Like he just held it all the way down for them, you know what I'm saying? Chris Kelly's the wonderful artist, you know what I'm saying? So, you know what I mean? And living with them, that's my sis, like, period point blank. So you got to adopt the accent. Yeah, and her from her dad, and her brother, and her mom, and like everything. Did you learn any recipes? Did you know how to cook? No, they don't tell you nothing. They're not doing nothing. They want you to come back. Chris Kelly will make a punch, and she'll be like, this is the rum punch, the rum punch. I'm like, I was just looking, trying to see, she's like, nope, nope, nope, nope, nope.  Every time. Yeah, yeah. So what's been going on, man, with the projects, man? What do we got to look forward to from Columbus? Let me tell you, man, God has been truly good. Out of my 15 years being in this business, I finally got invited to Essence Fest. Wow. And it was awesome. I heard it was awesome this year. It was awesome, and I got to, like, you know, see my movie with our people. And, man, I got to tell you, I like. What movie was it? It's called Remember Me. I remember that. You talked about that on the last show. Yeah, Lettuce and myself, and Janet Hubert, and Wendy Raquel Williams, and Vanessa Calloway. How did everybody receive it? I mean, what? How did everybody receive it? It was powerful. So, like, we had a Q&A afterwards, and there was one lady at the last second. You know, it was all of us on the panel, and this was in the private room. She rose her hand, and they were about to close out, and she goes, so what are we doing? So what now? What's next? I mean, like, what are we doing? We're there, like, when is the movie coming out, base? I thought that's what they meant. What's she meant? Nope. What did she mean? What are we doing as a people? That's dope. That's dope. What are we doing next? How are we going to do this? How are we making a change? And I was like, pfft. Yeah. Yeah. Everybody was like, pfft. Nobody had an answer? No.  I said, we start with art. I said, we start with art, because art has all, if you go back to the Nazis, when Gerbils, he was the, he sent out that propaganda, and one of the biggest ways of propaganda that the Nazi party used was film, if you really know your history. Right? So the propaganda, Gerbils was using film to propagate the agenda. So what is our agenda? What is our agenda? We need to come together. To unify. Right. Come together as a people. Not just us as a people, humanity. Right. Right. So, you know, the stories of slaves. I'm tired of hearing about these slaves. I'm tired. I'm over slaves.  So why I want to watch slaves?   That doesn't make no sense to me. You know what I'm saying? So, you know, that's, through media, we can propagate an agenda that unifies the world. That's what I think. I don't, you know, but I may can't read it all, but I know this much. When you use film, television, music, it's a unifying language. It is, but I always say with film, I think we need to, you know, come out with, because the society we were in, just like we were talking about earlier, TV tend to try to put whatever sells. And right now it's reality shows. And reality shows is showing a lot of the fights, the cat, the cursing, all of that. I hate it. I hate it as well. Because that, to me, that's not unifying anybody. So creating film that actually showing love, showing unity, showing a household filled with a mom and dad and how, you know, how to treat each other. Yes, you can show some arguments because it's reality. We are going to argue. We are going to, you know, but showing coming back together at the end of the day. I agree. Because kids are watching this or adults are watching this and they don't know because a lot of people are raised in broken homes. So they don't know how to emulate a good household because they've never been in one. So by seeing it on TV because we emulate what we see and what we hear. But we were watching the Cosby show. Me. Right. Okay. And I swear that was my mom and that was my dad. Exactly. Me too. Period. Same way. Yeah.  Right. This wasn't no grand conspiracy. Cosby was touching up young girls taking advantage of them. Right. You know what I mean? Sprinkle, sprinkle, sprinkle. But that didn't happen. That didn't come out till later on. So as a child, so as a child watching those things, you didn't know that as a child. No. So that didn't actually. I watched the documentary, right? Right. And I was like, let me see what, let me see what's going on.  Like all these women.  My middle name, Keith. Yeah. So they were like, he talking in class, he cracking jokes he's doing. He acting up. And then all my teachers used to call, you know what I mean? Had my mom.  Lying on you. I tell my kids that.  All of them. I'll give you one, but you ain't give all of them. All of them. Everybody's saying the same damn thing about you. It's gotta be some truth to it. That's what I'm saying. So that's funny. When I watched the documentary, I was like, and he was telling real stories and then other people were chiming in. And I was like, man, that's not, and that's one of the things that I pride myself on in my career, that women feel comfortable working with me. That's been me. You know what I mean? Like I never want to, I never, I was raised by women. I never wanted women to feel uncomfortable, even if we were doing something sexually boom in the scene or whatever. Like we're here to work. Yeah. I mean, and I always made that clear. I know the fact you're talking about that because one thing I remember, I wanted to say last time I didn't get a chance to ask you, but I've seen a lot of actors and actresses who, you know, co-hosts on the show and so forth. Always after the show, they always end up in a relationship. Whether there might be another relationship somewhere around or whatever, but they always end up together somehow. How hard is it to keep your relationship professional being in a, being, you know, playing a role where the other person might be right. I had to learn a real hard lesson early. A lot of people don't learn. I had to learn a real hard lesson early that a lot of people don't learn.  What? You hit Brittany? I smashed. Once, once. Exactly. That's not a big deal. That's not a big deal. We don't talk about body counts. I'm just saying. Damn, she wanted those girls. That kind of body. That kind of body. She got the bill with the motion. I ain't got the body. It was Brittany. Brittany Spears. Hey, bro. That's dope. Like that. Many people can't say that. No. So you, so you, so you didn't keep it professional. Right.  She went back. What? That'd be so silly. Dang. What? This is Brittany, man. So how do you keep it professional? After that, if we're going to be serious, it messed up a lot because my girlfriend was a dancer. And that's why, you know, I was like low-key cheated on my girlfriend. Wait, Brittany. You know what I'm saying? And I just, on that Rome trip, you know what I mean? I'm just saying this because it's facts. Like, man. I was young, man. He was young. Man, I'm about to be 40 next month. At the end of the day, they were young. I know. So many times I see it though. I see it. That's his first scene. He got in there. No. Okay, but that was then. Was it easier? No, but I'm saying I learned a hard lesson.  That's dope. That's the truth. So even if you're... So even if I'm not... When I'm doing a movie... So you're not going to get caught in that moment ever again? Hell no. I'm not... By the way... What do you think about when you kissing them? Well, okay. Let me tell you a secret story. So me and Megan grew up together. Me and Megan grew up, right? Okay, I remember that. Correct. You said that, but... Yeah. Well, I had to take three shots of tequila. You said that? Yeah, I told you. That's real talk. And she did, too. Because we were... That's my sister, like... But I'm out. That's not lily. I don't work for marriage. You couldn't even tell y'all was... But imagine having a lead with somebody that... You couldn't tell y'all was, you know, having drinks before the scenes. We was in a bar. What you mean? Yeah, but... Exactly. They were. I just thought about that. There you go. That scene, y'all. That was where it happened.  Y'all was dancing and everything. They were dancing in a bar. But I had what you mean. Damn show was. They didn't kiss no more after they did it. No, we didn't kiss no more. Damn show did it. Damn, man. No, one kiss. But we got nominated. Man in dope, though, man. We got nominated for MTV Movie Awards, Best Kiss, 2008 Movie Awards. Wow. That's crazy. But have you ever been in a scene where you were with an actress that you probably even admire or thought she was the bomb and end up in a, what should I say, sexual scene? I mean, in real, you mean like making art turn into life? Or what are you talking about? Yeah, like, okay. So you're in a scene and you like her, not like or like her like that, but you think she's fine, whatever. And you're making love in the movie. How can you keep it where it's just... Okay, so that's a great question. Let me answer that. So the way I work as a director, I'm like a very... I have the ability as an actor to create chemistry with anybody. Okay. Right? I can create chemistry with anybody. But also, I'm also strategic about where the camera angles are. What's happening? What's with lighting? Well, this is all choreography. Okay. This is not... That's real. I'm saying we're not, you don't have time. I'm trying to follow love with you. You know what I'm saying? I'm trying to do a scene. Get the scene done. Get on out of here. I'm trying to get home. You know what I'm saying? Like, let's knock this out. You know what I'm saying? When they say action, I'm going to make you feel like I love you. That's your job. That's my job. You know what I'm saying? You know what I'm saying? I'm going to touch on you right. Love on you right. But then, boom, when we say cut, boom, I'm trying to get up out of here. That's crazy though. That's so weird. But just to turn that off, because you know, they say your mind and your heart is two different things and you're in a moment. Now there's times, I've never been, I've never fallen, well, that's a lot. One. You're on the story, man. Okay. Tell me who. Give it up. Give it up. It took, it took, it took three seasons. Okay. But Shonda Rhimes had given me a co-star. I mean, I like, I love it just. I'm like, man, you got Guillermo here smashing. You got Darby out here smashing. Yeah, I mean, everybody in IPO getting, getting, getting, getting some cut. Except Harrison, and I'm like, the f***. You hasn't got to get something somewhere. You got to leave that out. I said, what in the, and finally she gave me one. And, you know, it was interesting how it, how it went down, but her, I'm not going to say no names. Okay. She, she, you know me, she gave me one. Yeah. Okay. And then I was like, I won. That's real talk, man. Do you think it's cause she made you wait that it was the right one? Cause, you know, I'm going to tell you the first time I was ever in a scene where I was like, yo, I was like, yo, because I didn't want to meet. I'm very, I'm a method actor. I remember you told me that. Yeah. So I didn't want to see her until I saw her.  You got me going to amnesty in a national man. Wow. So we, you know, that I really did garner a real relationship with her. And that's the kind of the only time. Yeah. I'm going to keep it, keep it above. Yeah.  But you got to realize this. And, you know, not yet.  Because I don't want to, that's not, I don't want to be in that world. I can't, I can't do that.  Do you know what I'm saying? Some actors have the ability to do that. I don't. So, you know what I mean? Me either. So, but when you create chemistry with a leading woman and you guys are, you know, the script is, you're going on a journey, not only a journey in the scriptural way. Emotional. You know, you're going on a process on production. Right? You guys, you know, you're on a movie set with somebody for three months. You got to, it's a grind, it's a war, it's a battle.  Right. You feel me? Right. Angelina, Angelina. Exactly, exactly. That's the biggest one. Yeah, but, and you know what I'm saying, but just because this is where you get intoxic relationships because just because you do a movie and you guys are creating some chemistry, you know, it even goes down to friendships. You think some people are your friends just because you made a movie with them for 68 days, they're not your friends. Right. You just created your into mental illness and I know you deal with that depression and all of that and I know a lot of people out here especially because of COVID and everything that people go through dealing with it. I love the fact that a lot of people are coming out talking about it, but there's a lot of people who still need healing, people need to, because even after the show, you sat down with one of our co-hosts trying to talk to him and you know, you're still going through and he's still going through stuff. Just go forward, the thing, the way how you react. The reacting to... To a different situation because I know before you would always reacting rage or, you know, act out. So where does that stem from? Did I say this on the last one? Because I'm now, now it's once a week, but before I was doing two times a week. Therapy. Yeah. And it was important. That's awesome because you're growing, you're getting better. Right. I don't have, you know, I had to go get all my diagnosis right. Like, I want to know what's wrong. I got to get up under the hood. Right. You know what I'm saying? See what we're doing. So what was the word started? I think childhood, you know, not think. It's childhood, you know, when you're raised in trauma, you know, trauma, drama, whether it's from your mama or anybody else. Just do something else. I knew what's coming. I love this guy there. So, you know what I'm saying? I think, you know, you carry that into adulthood when it's unchecked. You know what I mean? And, you don't know what really anybody's going through. You don't know what they experience, abuse. I was never molested by a man, but, you know, I was molested by females. An older female. That was babysitting me. Yeah. When I was a kid. So, you know what I mean? Sexualized me. You know what I mean? Too soon. You know what I mean? But, really, my thing was anxiety. And, anxiety and PTSD is tough. Yeah. And people think that PTSD is only from people who have been in the military or something like that. No, war is war is war is war. Mm-hmm. Trauma is trauma is trauma. Trauma, whether you've seen your man in battle get blown up or you see your boy get shot in the street. Yeah. You know what I mean? Mm-hmm. Same thing. Mm-hmm. Same thing. We just don't get on uniforms. So, you were reacting from all of that and just didn't know? Right. I mean, you know, I knew that I would have my issues, but it was like, you know, like, let's get down to the bottom of it because I need to, I'm being called to a new level. Right. Right. So, it's like, I have to make sure that I'm ready for that next level. So, how many years were you going through all of that before you started finding no, before you started finding help, before you start, because you have to be the one who say, I need help. Nobody else can see that. Nobody said I need help. I was like, I need to talk to somebody that understands. Right. Because my, my stories are not, my shares are like not regularly. Like, I need to get it there.  I'm just being real when they miss what you money, you know, anybody gets mad when you miss what money. But we wouldn't know seeing you, we didn't know. No, no. So, so like, like, just keep it a buck. Like I was, I was, I'm a gang member. That's crazy, man. You know what I'm saying? So I grew up fighting. I fought Black boys, Black boys, Bloods, Crips, my own people. That's how you resolve your issues. We, we, we, we line it up. You know what I mean? That's the only way I knew. Do you know what I mean? Line it up That's it. That's it. You know what I'm saying? I'll operate only by code. I wasn't just some wild maniac walking with the street. But I'm like, I'm about to be 40 September 19. And, you know, I'm trying to do some amazing things for not only our people, but for Homo sapiens for us. You know what I'm saying?  What's the word? You can't be a victim to your past. Exactly.   You, as much as you don't have any movement, and all of a sudden they start acting out and acting like that, and you don't want to pass down your trauma to your children. So if you don't, you have to create change. It's called breaking generational curses. Exactly. And that's what we're in the business of. I think our generation is the one that's breaking it, right? Exactly. If you go back to like when J. Edgar Hoover dropped crack in the hood, you know what I'm saying? When he dropped crack in the hood, broke up black families. Yeah. He was out here strung out. Mama's out here crack babies being born. You know what I'm saying? No. It changed up the whole. He just that changed up our ecosystem right there. Yeah. I mean, now we have a chance to change it. I believe I believe we should change it.  I got to like represent. You got daughters. Yeah. What you training them to do. So you're training daughters to be thoughty. Yeah. That's what we're doing. Thoughty Tiana. A lot of, a lot of them. Thoughty Tiana. But again, it's a generation. That's right. You exactly right. But you got to think about this. It's a generation that we're in. Whereas they're trying to make money. They're trying to get paid off of views and all of that. Not all of them. No, but listen, but listen, but what I'm saying is that.  I'm not letting this slide. You are not watching that person. You're watching the person that is showing all the skin and talking about it whatever. And all of that. The person who is taking care of her family. Right. But the person who is trying to do all of the what you represent. The person who is trying to do all the right things, you're not watching her. You're not giving her views. You're not trying to help her. You understand what I mean? I feel you on that. So that's why even like with TV shows, reality shows sell because that's what everybody's watching. You want to flip it on it? I'm going to flip it on. Okay. So they're good. So all these chicks, who they going and they messing with. NBA players, actors, celebrities, blah, blah, blah, playboys. Right. Like myself. Okay. Right. Boom. Then what happens when the UPS driver, that's, you know what I mean? Just want to love you. Just want to, just want to build a family with you. Right. He's not in the tax bracket. He can't help me. He can't, he can't do it. He ain't in the tax. What about the nigga that manages little Caesars? He can't, he can't do it. He can't do it. I mean, the nigga that been managing Papadose for 10 years, got a little, got a little pension. He got the right type of girl. No. No he don't. No. See, because no. So broke niggas came They came though. Bro, niggas can't cheat cause peel. They do it all the time too. It's over. It's over. They do it. They do it. It's over. They do it. It's over. Yeah, the sale, to me, the selling point is already out there. I'm talking about when you, when you, when you pay a, you're a celebrity or you have some kind of stack, you get a, look at, look at, look at that. Yeah. Yeah. What's that? Older. Older. Older. Older one. The new one. The new one. He got it too. He been back to back. Back to back. Back to back. The only one I've seen really come out of that situation, okay. And he really gone crazy but he got it. Kind of. Kind of. That's the only one he made. He the only one that made it out. And he moved with it. He's still kissing it. But he was crazy enough to go in there. You got to be on a certain mindset to go into that, that whole family and come out like that. Well, I'm going to speak highly of them and I'm going to be real because Chris. But they build a brand. They build. Chris, I love you, Chris, have you seen it? Chris, Chloe, Kim, Courtney, Kylie, Kendall, all of them, those are my girls. You know what I'm saying? Like. They're business gurus. Yeah. And they, and they really all try to make great. Wow. So what did our mama's teach us? That's dope. That's dope. So how are we going to talk? They created that job. We can't talk down. We can't talk down. We can't talk down. Nothing. My mama didn't teach me how to have a billion dollars by the right time I was 21. Man, that's dope. Do you know what I mean? They did. She did her job. Do you know what I mean? She did her job. She did her job. So, you know, but yeah, you know, we grew up all in this, like, it's interesting to see like, we're talking about all these kind of flies, like making good and myself.  No, no, I'm talking about the you are talking about Hollywood, okay? When we was coming up together.  Right. Yeah. I mean, and it's interesting to have the ability to be, to make life changing. I mean, earth changing. To give back. Decision, yes, it's always about giving back and that's why I started my NFT company. It's important that we educate people in the NFTs. It's growing. It's growing. It's coming, people are getting smarter. The space is bare, it's a bare market right now in the crypto space, but if people just trust.  It was. Yeah, Elon Musk came on the thing and said, what the hell? Yeah, Twitter. He went in there. It happened. Yeah, it was a big drop. But I want to ask you something. And what was the drop? He just said it was like the crypto plump, like it went down. Okay, cause I was telling the truth. So boom, like Luna dropped. Boom, when Luna went down, people were trying to kill theyself. Yeah. It went crazy, right? Boom, Luna went down.  And it was just ridiculous to me. You know what I'm saying? No real utilities. Yeah, if I don't know how much you guys know about what a utility is like. So for example, I'm dropping these orcas soon, coming soon. I wish I had my phone. But they're like, they have a utility chest and it opens in all your utilities. So what are we dropping through there? Movies, TV, music, events, right? Oh, you want to hear boss talk? We can drop y'all through there. Right. Yeah, I mean, y'all want to boom, boom, boom. But now, so let's say for example, you guys are doing a boss talk. You know, for me, how many lists do you have? Let me just ask you that. 60,000. 60 some thousand. How many? 60,000. 61,000. It's still growing, yeah. Okay, so now let's say, you said to your listeners, we're doing a big boss talk one-on-one. You're allowed to come to the venue. Yeah, that's what we've been talking about. That's $250. I'm giving you the play right now. That's exactly what it is. So it's $250, right? Now let's say out of your 60,000, half of them engage, 30,000. Let's say 25,000. Right, at 250,000, 25,000, do the number, that's 6.25 million. That's right. Right. We've been talking about that. That's what I'm saying. So when you start thinking outside, you know what I mean? But also, but putting Bunny back in, it's not about just getting money. That's what the community is scared of when they deal with celebrities and uneducated people in the space. Yeah. Is them just coming in, snatch and grab, go and leave it. You know what I mean? That happens a lot. That's what they're doing.  I don't want to drop names. I don't want to stop them. No, it doesn't happen. I know, I see it as obvious. So I'm trying to build an ecosystem in which we hold and we put our money back into the blockchain. Our blockchain continuously, it's like that, like have you ever seen those water fountains? Like you're like, those big water fountains. Yeah, the one we said in front of them. Yeah, those big, it's just recycled water. Yeah, it is. That's right. They're not wasting water. That's just recycling the same water. Right. It's just in the thing. Yeah. And that's what we're doing. I wanted to ask you something. And this is totally our base, but Will Smith came out since me and you had our show. Aw. And he apologized. I apologized. And I said, I knew you had a problem with it. I knew, I said, man, cause I'm just gonna like this. I'm just gonna say it. I knew you weren't with it. But hold on. But did you know? It was ridiculous. It was not with it. I knew you weren't with it. But did you know that Tony Rock said, not Tony, Chris Rock said, I don't want no apologies. He wasn't ready for it. He wasn't ready for it. I gotta say it on my Dave Chappelle voice. It's crazy. It was ridiculous. Do you believe him? Could you believe him? He said, just wait.  Some of them, Will Smith my hero, independent state. Welcome to Earth. It messed you up. Messed me up. Did you believe he was sincere with his apology? Do you believe he was sincere with his apology? Oh, you think somebody co-hurst him into saying it? I think Will's lost. I don't know what's going on with him. He's been through a lot. I don't know. Like, it just, it was a sad day for me. I know he was upset. And I wasn't upset. And I was just like, dude, I was like, I'm like, you didn't have to, like, y'all gotta do, y'all gotta, you could do a normal apology. You could apologize in part.  He stopped. He stopped. I can't even do it. I can't do it. You didn't wanna do it. I can't do it. I was so sad. It was tough. Did you watch it? His apology? Yeah. I did. I felt it. And I felt that. I'm sorry for smacking it in your face. And the part that I felt the most, the part that I felt the most is when- Apologize to the guy that did the show, who's Oscar it was, and I really, I didn't mean it. Yeah, yeah. Well, the guy was nice. But he was sorry to even his parents. He said, I apologize on his own. Oh, I didn't see the full apology. No, you're kidding. I just got the clips. She's got that. I said to shut it down. No, I didn't get the full. He said he, because it didn't only affect Chris Rock, it affect his mom, his brother, because he said he was in a good relationship with his brother. They were awesome relationships. Oh, Tony and Tony. Yeah, yeah, Tony and my boys. But their relationship is now done because of it. Yeah, but I mean, you got, when you smack somebody in public on an Oscar stage, that's a relationship killer. I suppose to, I think I've seen relationships end over spades. But Will Smith, because of who he is. I've seen relationships end over re-nics, so I think. But because of Will Smith and who he is, there's always gonna be a comeback from it. Yeah, he can come back, but he gotta disappear for a second. That's why he's been off social media for a while, till the apology. I had a chill, bro. I had a chill. You got a chill right now, bro. I had a chill, like everybody goes through it. You know what I mean? But he just was bigger than me. You know what I'm saying? But he went out the way.  He was going through it. Do you understand what I'm saying? I don't care. We can catch the fade outside in the backstage. We can catch the fade by the trailer, line it up, whatever. Because one of the questions that he answered. But I'm not walking on stage and smacking nobody. Because one of the questions he answered in this apology because what he was doing, he was actually answering some of the questions that people had. And one of the questions, because everybody felt like Jada sort of pushed him on there because of the look that she had on her face. But she was like. I'm so sick and tired of Will and Jada right now. Let's bring him Jada. It's time for Jada and it's time for Willow. I need Jada and Will to sit down at STFU. And that's my opinion. And you heard it here first. I don't care what anybody think about it. I want to go back to your counseling sessions because you didn't actually finish that statement because you said you were going through counseling. You reduced to once a week. So what have you learned about yourself during that time that you've been in there and what are you doing? I lived and I was living in a state of fear. I was afraid of success. I was afraid of let down, afraid of disappointment, afraid, afraid, fear, fear. And fear is crippling, unaddressed, unchecked. Exactly. That was a big thing. How did you overcome it? Or how are you working to overcome it? Mindfulness, right? Mindfulness, meditation is big. I mean, meditation is like quiet. I do a body scan. You gotta take your time in the morning. Instead of the first thing you do when you're getting on IG, might wake up and meditate. I mean, and really check in with yourself. Check in with your body, check in with your mind, check in with your soul. And that's been, it's been invaluable. That's been my skill set. Cause I know that a person who's always had, cause everybody has anger issues in them and it just takes somebody saying one thing to really pop off. So I'm serious. So exactly. People can't, that's when you. So how can you learn to regret that? People gotta start eliminating triggers. I can't be, you know, I had to start, once I start taking off triggers, nothing affects me. Now you can say whatever you want. I ain't tripping. But until you do something dirty, dirty, then that nigga gonna come out. And they don't want that nigga. But that's real. But, you know what I mean? As far as like normal stuff, you know what I mean? You know, as a businessman, as a CEO, as a producer, as a leader of men and women, I have to take that responsibility. And it's the first time that I've actually had to like step into the position. Awesome. You know what I mean? And that with great responsibility, you know what I mean? And it really... Accountability, really. It's like we ain't playing out here. Because all the things that you've been through, you know. And it's not just about me though, like it's a lot of people. They don't watch you because people hold you at a certain esteem and that's what the people do for actors or musicians or whatever. Anybody on TV, when we grow up as kids and we're watching you, we hold you up here. Although people don't think about you as another human being. You make mistakes. You do this. They hold you up here. So when they see you do crazy stuff, it sort of like, it crushes them. Right, but I don't do crazy things. It just reported that way. I mean, I catch fakes. I've caught fakes, you know what I mean? So let me... So since you say that. These are known, people have seen you. They've laid your career out before everybody. And really, I'm being real. They've looked at your career. You've been like an open book to us. Yeah. That you was honest with us. Yeah. You went through whatever you went openly. So they really couldn't come at him a certain way. No. Because he was an open book. But as you say that, because we've had some friends. I do not beat women. That is like, let's check that off a little bit. I catch fakes with, I catch fakes if I have to catch a fake. Line it up when I have to line it up. You know what I'm saying? Oh, bang, I'll cut somebody out if I have to cuss them out. It's always for a reason. Yeah. You know what I mean? It's everybody that beat the Karen's. It's the Karen's. And there's male Karen's. I don't know what you call them. Ken's? What do we call them? Ken's, Mitchell's, Mitch's. I don't know what you call a male Karen.  Then you bomb. And then, oh, what are you doing? He's out of control. Somebody stop this guy. How many times you heard that?   I haven't heard that. I just get to, I just get to serve somebody. You don't hear it. You just get the paperwork. So, Mike, when Mike was on that airplane, he said that guy didn't sue him. Mike Tyson, wouldn't it? Oh, yeah. He let him make it. He let him make it. But boy, Mike gave him some blows. When Mike was, Mike is a chill dude.   Like, you know, like, I'm trying to, I don't want to do it like this. Now, new Mike is like, he smoked blunt. I mean, smoked joint. Oh, yeah. He's going in. You know, come on, this is crazy when we don't look at it.   Oh, he can say, his interviews be crazy. Like, I see like, dude, you seen him in the interview? I'm a lack, I'm an older man, but I don't think.  Mike, check you in the interview. Have you seen his pocket? You've been on it. You're going on, Mike. Hell no, Mike. Have you seen him do this? Like, he be like, no, because I don't, but you know, he told, I seen him do booze. He liked it. I seen him do. He checked booze. He checked booze. But what's his booze? Yeah, he checked booze. It's been a few of them. He'll check everybody. He didn't check to do the eye-match you make yet. Nobody, Mike is a, Mike and I talk Christen. He made all his money back. Like, not all of it. But he made all his money back. He chilled. He don't want to, nobody made it. But did you come into his spain? He's like, he'll check you up. Like, you would tell him. He's like Columbus, I used to be a killer Columbus. These guys, these guys, all these guys around here, they were praying to me. Yeah? I was like, wow. I was like, this is Nick. Mike Corrigan. Mike Corrigan. Everybody's like, everybody's looking around. Like, Mike is going in on this. I love his, I love his podcast. No, Hot Boxing is amazing. He killed it. Listen, just like your podcast, like Boss Talk. 101. You guys bringing in the, bringing in the heat. You know, critical conversation. We having a good time too. You know, critical conversations about critical points. Yeah. Staying poignant. Yeah. Being a voice. Educating our community. You guys are the leaders of the space.  Coming everyday people. No, but, but, but. God is, God. God is doing it. But God, man, I just pray that, you know, he keeps a hedge of protection around. How are you Stephen? You know what I mean? Man, you my God, OC. Yeah, yeah. You motivated us to keep going a lot of the causes of the way you reach out. And like, you just embraced us. That's organic.  It's certain ones that give us confirmation. Like we got to keep this thing going. You got to keep it going. You one of those guys, bro. Listen, y'all. Boss Talk 101. And just for you. I'ma sing. This year. I did a little, I wrote a country record. What? I don't have my guitar on. So I was like. That's fine. Okay. Up and down, left and right. As long as you and me tonight and forever. So all that I'm asking you is what's a man to do? Hey, those hands are really high. Tire, ribbon in the sky. That I got you. So what's a man to do? Hey, lay back in the shade. No, I got it made. Cause I got you. So what's a man to do? It was a man to do. I can write. I like that. Tire ribbon in the, ooh, I like it. When is it coming out? We busting, we busting moves right now. When is it coming? It needs to hurry up and come out. Oh, we didn't need to hurry up. It needs to hurry up. It needs to hurry up. So when is the project gonna be fully released? Do you really have a date? Or are you still working on different EP's? Well, everything I do now I have to be binary and I'm doing a lot of things. And when you do a lot of things, people get confused about what's what. So I wanna, Orca, my organization, representing community association, the Orcas, which the Orcas, which is organization representing community association, you know, that a lot of these things are gonna be birthed through. That's what I thought you were probably gonna do is put it on at Orca. Yep, put it. We're gonna just start dropping stuff through, or like Snoop, people don't know, like Snoop got records. You know what I mean? So if they wanna hear it, they can't just go on any streaming platform. They gotta be a part of the holder. They gotta be one of these. You gotta be one of these. You see that? You can show the camera. The Orcas coming soon, baby. Isn't that what she told us about Snoop's song that they took them off of streaming platforms to put them in NFT? Yes. That's what they did. That's what they did. That's exactly, and my project manager is the same project manager. So you don't wanna reinvent the wheel. Right. Follow the ones that did it right. Trust the ones that do it right. Listen to your advisors. Even if you have a company and all, I'm saying this to all the young entrepreneurs out there. Build yourself a team that you can trust, just because you're the entrepreneur, just because you're the CEO or whatever. Listen to your people. And you'll have people, the elder priestess, eldest priestesses, those are the ones that'll get you up through there. One thing I wanna say, hold on. Hold on, I've been wanting to ask this question because last time whenever we interviewed you, a fan reached out and was like, you didn't ask about this, you know how I do it. Oh yeah, yeah, what? So you did scandal, but you were let off of scandal. Why did they let you off of scandal? Well, it was weird because they weren't gonna fire me. We finished the season three. I was up, I was probably about to be making like, probably about to be making like half a million to like 750 a week. Right. But my ex-wife at the time, I kicked her out of my house. And she waited, waited, waited, and then came up with some headline.  Wow. And so, but the network, ABC and Disney, they knew it wasn't true because they know my whole entire life. Right. You know what I mean? So can't act like I, that's not real. So they was like no more headlines. So I dipped to Arizona. I like, I wanted to get out the way.  And Shonda was like, we just told you, we got you, but not one more headline.  But that wasn't even you. That wasn't even you. That was them. But that's how it went down. Wow. And you didn't even do anything. That's the way it being in politics, kind of like, whatever, you know. Yeah, because when I looked it up, it made everything seem like it was all you. Like you just did this and you were out of control.  No. You could search, scour the internet. We ain't never seen, but yeah, I'm a wife. I'm an abuser. Don't you think these girls will be out here? Boom, post some pictures of me ever. Yeah, that's what you mean. Oh yeah, you see, right? Your picture surf is back up all the time, oh Chris, all the time. Then we're gonna go away. Then you know, then we're gonna go away. You know what I mean? Which is certain, if it happens for real, Evelyn with Chad Ocho Sinko lost his whole career. Yeah? Whole career. No, most definitely.  Like that's not a game. Right, where's way? Yeah. You know what I'm saying? People be losing their whole careers behind it. No, it's 100% true. But now these girls know they gotta knock that stuff off, man. They don't realize what they're doing. Stop whining on me. If you really get beat up, if you really get hit, all right. But I know people that are really abused, like people, women be putting hands on, paws on it. Yeah, they ain't doing both ways.  You know what I mean? You know what I mean? You gotta get it off of it. And then boom, they got caught up in a twist. Yeah, yeah. You know what I'm saying? Just that quick. Just that quick. But it's the same woman who used kids as pawns. Yes. You know what I mean? Oh, pretty sure. You can't see this child on this, cause they wanna be in that relationship with you. But they don't realize it hurt them more than that. Did you have your first marriage? You said what? Did you have a daughter? He had a daughter. From my first man, I got married when I was 19. Yeah. It's Jaylin, who's at USC film school right now. And now he has two boys with his wife. Yeah, my current wife right now. I have Denzel and Liam. Yeah, I see them. I love them. I love them. Yeah, your kids are beautiful. Yeah, they beautiful. Man, love it, man.  So, boom, they used kids as pawns. Yes. And, you know. I don't hate that. And it's unfortunate. You know, I think, you know, once the time gets right and I get in a real better position, I wanna start a 501C3 that supports men's, that wanna, men that wanna just be that. Like, why is it so difficult to be a dad? That would be awesome. Like, why do we have the faith to be a father? Because I don't wanna be with you. Yeah. Oh, just because I don't wanna be with you, I'm a bad dad. And why do you have to lose so many years with your kid just because you wanna be a good dad? Because I've heard men say, you know what? Yeah, that's him. He's like, I don't wanna deal with this drama. So, guess what? I'm gonna set my daughter for like four or five years before she moved with me.  Going through issues. Games. Right. And I was like, I'm not gonna deal with that. We don't got time. Yeah. And I just went to work and took care of them. You lost so many years with that child. Yeah, and it's gonna take a reconciliation period and a reunification period. But I'm down to do that.  I was missing her. So, I've been missing her since she's two years old. She's 10 now, you know what I'm saying? I haven't seen her in eight years. Damn. Wow. But Jamie told me, you know. Just wait. Just wait. It's gonna be all right. It's gonna be all right. They coming around. That's what he always says.  But they create a whole narrative and a whole memory of things that aren't true. Like, think about it. When you're two years old. And you've heard that child.  Or he just saw the family over you. Oh yeah, oh yeah, they use that. That's the game they play. Yeah, and people don't realize it's like child abuse. It is. Because you're abusing of child's mentally before they even can figure out their own thoughts.  I've seen somewhere, Tyler Perry, he got a seven year old and he will not talk to him about racism. Don't talk to him about it. Won't let him, I don't agree with that. You live in this world where it's there. I don't agree with that. But that's what he, that's what he's, that's big right now, TLD. He doesn't want to scar that child and put premeditated bruises in the child. I don't agree with that either. No, but you need to know how people see you when you come outside. But he's feeling like not every person, but not every person who is a different color of you see you like that. No, but you need to know that that's out with you. It's out of you. It's out of you. It's not racism, it is racism because we are one race. Homo sapiens are one race. We are one race. Cause when the sky crack open and the Zeta reticulants are the reptilian or whatever alien species want to come and be like, bomb, but we back.  You don't remember when Reagan said that? Yeah. We are going to be looking around, holding hands, the independence debt.  It is. I've experienced it my whole life, but I, you know, and I saw it on the other side. Yeah. Cause I traveled the world. I gotta go in a minute. Okay, so tell me one more thing. Okay, so upcoming films that you can talk about, tell us what's coming up for you. I just finished, I mean, remember me's coming out September on Hulu? Remember me, me, Lettucey, Wendy Wachail, well, Janet Huber, Keith Robinson, oh, Silverstone, Silverthroat, Keith, oh gee, Keith, it's Keith. Who else in it? Corbin Blue, it's amazing cast, Vanessa. Amazing cast, that's coming out and then we got, I just finished a movie called Life Without Hope, but I think we're on, I don't know if it's, I don't know if it's, man, I just saw a scene yesterday. I was like, oh, this might be something. That's gonna be a hit. Yeah, so I'm cracking with that. Directed by Leo Ritten and directed by Leo Sullivan. And, you know, I got a lot of stuff cracking, coming down the pike home. Listen, man, we love you. I can't talk about every single guy. I know, I know, that's why I said whatever you can talk about. I love you, listen, bro, we love you. I know, I know, I know, man. You my guy and wherever I'm at, I'm looking for you, man. I love you. Real talk, man, every time it's a blessing, man. We out here in LA, kicking in with Columbus short, man. Hey, man, thank you. I love, I'll talk 101, I'm gonna support them and watch this. Copy this, a year from now, they're gonna be one of the number one podcasts in the nation and the world. Let's go. We receiving, man. We receiving, I'll take that. Thank you, let's go. Thank you, man, thank you, man. It's been another great segment of Boss Talk 101, where the bosses talk. And we out. There we go.


Captain John Esposito was relieved by Captain James Akin as Commander Destroyer Squadron 60 during a change of command ceremony at Naval Support Activity Naples. Vice Admiral Phil Davidson, Commander U.S. Sixth Fleet, was the keynote speaker and said that he sincerely appreciated the phenomenal job Captain Esposito contributed to keeping Deseronde 60 vigilant and prepared. Under his steady hand, the Deseronde 60 team ensured their ships and crews remained vigilant and prepared to meet current and future challenges and threats. Following his speech, Vice Admiral Davidson presented Captain Esposito with an end of tour award which Esposito attributed to the hard work of military members and leaders. The list is almost endless, all working together to generate a favorable outcome for our nation that continues to be the envy of the world. It has been a privilege. Captain Esposito will report for duty to Joint Chiefs of Staff in Washington. Petty Officer Matt Wright, Naples, Italy.


Putin considers attacks from two or three fronts and can go for Kiev again. Mateusz Marowiecki, Prime Minister of Poland, is concerned that Russian Prime Minister Vladimir Putin wants to prove to his people that he is a long-run player who never gives up, therefore he might attack Kiev again. Mateusz Marowiecki, in an interview with the German outlet Build, said, I think that the plan of Putin and his people, such as Valery Gresimov, his new commander of the Russian army, is to encircle Ukraine. And while preparing all these plans, Putin probably thinks he needs to attack from two or three different fronts. Therefore, I believe that Ukrainians cannot rule out an attack from the Belarusian northern part of Ukraine to encircle Kiev from the west. He has added that the winter is mild enough at the moment, which means that the heavy tanks and artillery cannot move in that area. Therefore, Putin will probably want to wait for all mud swamps and wet grounds to dry for an offensive. With all the information that I have from Ukraine, I know that there will be another Russian offensive. Presumably in March or April, it and it will be a very heavy offensive. Marowiecki has stated that the Russian president, Vladimir Putin, can try and go for the Ukrainian capital once again. I think that, unfortunately, he is not only full of hatred for Ukraine, but he wants to show to his people once again that he is a long-run player who never gives up and he will attack Kiev again. Yes, I do have this concern, the Polish PM added. He has pointed out that Putin mobilized a lot of new soldiers, approximately 200 to 250,000. We cannot forget that Russia's resources are really large and its pockets are deep. They have a lot of weapons, munitions and people. Marowiecki summed up. Earlier, Marowiecki assumed that multi-purpose F-16 fighter jets or other aircraft could be sent to Ukraine within tight cooperation with other NATO allies, as it was with leopard tanks.


USS John Paul Jones finished two successful live fire tests of the Aegis Weapons System this month in the third fleet area of responsibility. The ship used radar to detect, track and fire at a target acting as a high-speed cruise missile. She received upgrades to her combat systems equipment as part of the 2006 Defense Appropriations Act. John Paul Jones is the first guided missile destroyer to receive the latest computing system, transmitter upgrades and multi-mission signal processor. These upgrades make up the new Aegis Baseline 9 Charlie Weapon System and will be installed throughout the Navy's surface fleet. These upgrades improve the capabilities of the Navy's fleet, keeping warfighting first. From All Hands Update, I'm Petty Officer Andrew Johnson.