Hello, welcome to my vlog. I'm Cronya. I'm trying to have just no meat and I'm going to be head of design. It's already DCATV next year. Currently I'm working in the Gales Hawk time in Connemara for three weeks. So this will probably be the only time we actually hear my speak English because I'll be with students the rest of the time. But yeah, welcome and enjoy. So I'm going to show the Gales Hawk for another year. Forest walk. So I'm doing that. We're going to be back now because I don't really have that many plans for the rest of the week. I'm probably coming down the weekend. But I think the most exciting part of the vlog is probably over. So sorry for that. Good morning. Today is the first day of my summer because I'm home. And I'm not up to much today. It is an absolutely gorgeous day. It's a beautiful day. So I might walk into town, get some hair dye. Because my hair is just a weird color and I'd like it more purple. So I think we're gonna see if Toba Curry has purple hair dye. And yeah, I'm also putting together a video of kind of highlights from the course that I was on. So that's me for the day. So I've got my hair dye. Time to dye my hair. I have never dyed it myself before. But with my hair dye and Clara telling me. So this is going to be interesting. Vlog last weekend. So vloggin now. Say hey mate. What are the Jedbirds? I used to. It's very exciting. He was wearing a hat and he had a coffee and he did not want to talk to us at all. We followed him. Took a while. Took a while to tell. I mean, we saw one and that's all that matters. We're eating so I don't think I'm so good. I went and peed and then lost in the morning. It's really small. So we're changing it. We're not getting dragons now. We're getting their costume. I'm definitely really looking forward to getting back to college. And getting to do some, getting to head up some design for DCTD. So it's going to be a fun year. And I'll see you guys soon.


Some things that go into a good gun crew, you've got to be motivated, artillery, it's a lot of hard work, a lot of heavy lifting, so you've got to keep your boys motivated. You've got your gunners, you've got your ammo team, you've got to continuously train, even when you're not in the field, to become that well-oiled machine. Once you achieve that well-oiled machine, then everything falls in place, slows, moves, moves fast. When we get the fire missions, what it is is you've got your forward observer team, they're out in the impact area or on the OP. They're the ones that call it in, so they get on the radio, they'll call into our fire direction center. From there, the fire direction center will take the information that the forward observers give them and convert that into data. Once they convert that data, then they will send that data down to the gunline. That's how we get our charge, our propellants, what fuses we're using, the ammunition we're going to be using, and that gives us our deflection and quadrant for the gun, which deflection and quadrant pretty much, that's how we point the cannon to. We shoot that and that makes the rounds land exactly what they're supposed to. Being our artillery man is very serious to me, my brother, he enlisted right after me. He was with the infantry unit 2-8. They were deployed to Afghanistan the same time I was deployed and we actually supported their unit in combat. To me, I take it very seriously because it's my family member on the other end of the gunline and they need help and that's where we come in. We give them the help so they can get out of whatever sticky situation that they might be in.


For my job I end up with all this stuff, materials, design models, experiments, electronics, tools, plastic, etc. I don't like it when this is unorganized. So I've been looking for a way to get it done. Now, I've always had a thing for these plastic crates. They can be found in many places and are very strong. But what really excites me about these things is that they are built on an industry standard. No matter what color, height, how old they are, how we produce them, they always fit together. So if a crate would break, you can always find another one that fits. A perfect starting point. As it turns out, people all over the world already found wonderful ways to reuse them. They deserve all credit for this video. However, they don't really fit me. So I gathered some old crates all over the place, cleaned them up and started building something. A simple framework that stores 45 crates. They slide in like drawers so you can easily take stuff out. Or take one out and carry them with you on the job. Low crates are used to store the flat stuff, added some tags to quickly find things. And made some highly advanced organizers inside to keep the little things in place. She would find us.


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Monday last week of the month and then we got a big holiday here in the United States we got Memorial Day so I'd like to thank all our servicemen for your service thank you very much so enjoy your lovely day when it comes to Monday so but talk a little bit about what's gonna happen going on to this week there's gonna be a lot of good things that gonna be happening first of all we had a pretty decent week last week you saw what happened to market how volatile right now we got the market up about 290 points right now a couple of things are moving this morning we'll talk a little about yesterday today's actually a really important day for some of you don't know we start phase one from the top of the cycle so for all you students here bronze silver gold platinum definitely don't want to miss out with Josh remember you have to learn before you can earn so make sure you're in those classes now while regarding about going on to this week just give you a little quick heads up what's going on so basically this is Monday is the official day of the start of summer okay so some of you don't know that I mean this is where all my friends I know a lot of people here living here in Long Island in New York you probably heard of the Hamptons everybody's gonna start they start their summer homes they actually started this week but technically they rent the summer homes and a lot of you know this if you rent homes anywhere it's usually a labor day I mean more all day to Labor Day so that's where the summer is gonna start to kick off so you're gonna start seeing Friday starting to slow down a little bit a little bit more especially if the weather is nice so depending on where you are and you know listen New York is New York I always like to everybody know that there's the financial cap of the world this is what people end up doing they have a short summer and they go out there enjoy it I know I like to I know I teach you guys how to do it so let's just make our money early from Monday Tuesday Wednesday and Thursday if you're around on Friday it's one thing but sometimes Friday is a pretty decent whatever but what's great about this year what we did differently is that now you're able to access everything on your phone with our alert service so if anything ever comes up you could do that technology has been unbelievable so I'm really looking forward to the new summer but anyway what's happening going on for Friday what we traded in end of last week we had a couple of nice little moves you could see the market Friday was like unbelievable down like 300 and we had to be positive I mean it's gonna bring up the Dow right here and just show you what happened and see what had going on on Friday so I mean what a what a big roller coaster just out of nowhere a lot of short covering so it was actually a pretty decent day on Friday no matter what brand names you traded I mean we were at 30,700 we jumped all the way to 31 to I mean that is a substantial bounce we're talking about eight minus about almost like 450 points that's a lot you know so anything you really traded yes on Friday did pretty well there were a couple of stocks that we did traded going into on that day that did really well first of all SIGA was just unbelievable this stock in the last couple of days for some of you didn't see it maybe you knew you're starting new here at Cybertree University we were trading that stock around seven we jumped in we watched it when it finally made the move on this day right here on the 19th it went from eight to nine seventy then the next day it shot up from like eight to twelve that was on Friday and now look at this thing the thing went all the way up to a high around 17 and pre-market and you know it is starting to back off a little bit right here so I'm not a big fan of it but this thing just unbelievable great runner up on Friday I mean going into the close this thing was just fabulous went from eleven dollars all the way up if you can see here up until about the last 30 minutes ran to 1250 what a great runner and then after hours just nonstop the thing went to $13 so great great runner up a lot of you guys did pretty well on that one Roblo RDBX was another really good one that we traded that one on Friday also nice little pop 390 all the way up to about 430 beautiful Falstall flag you could see right here and then finally 430 look at this right after 11 o'clock the empty ran from 430 all the way to 550 you know if you bought a thousand shares of that stock you made a dollar I have to remind you a dollar on a thousand shares a thousand dollars quarter million dollar salary hell that's a lot of money for some of us you know we're not here to tell you know and it's just being consistent so there was a lot of great opportunities to make it on Friday and you could just trade any brand name stock trading in the close so Friday's always remind everybody there's three things that happen the market will fly the market with tank or be flat you really very rarely you'll get like a little bit shakes whatever so that's usually what a Friday is so sometimes you stick around for Friday afternoons and you're like you know the summer let me take off but and you might get lucky and say you know we did the right thing but if there is volatility going on let me tell you something no one likes to hold positions over the weekend and some people want to hold something going into the weekend and that's usually to get on a Friday afternoon and I will always remind you of that because that's actually what happens with all the experience of being a professional trader for almost 30 years now what we got going on to this morning got a couple of stocks that are moving on to keep an eye on obviously I want to put Sega on there I was checking on Sega on the iceberg orders there was a big one that showed up I'm gonna show you right here for some of you never seen level four before but we had a big iceberg order showed up right around here right around that 1460 and that's really where kind of like Tita Todd it looks like the guy got executed you get it did get executed did show up right here was pretty pretty decent order you could see close to 8,000 a little bit more than 3,000 close about 10 to 10,000 that's a lot when everyone's showing shares of 300 500 you know if some of you attended one of my events we show you 10 20 100 200,000 you know and you like it's 10,000 a lot well depends on the average of traders that are out there listen if everybody's showing to your size of hundreds you know and somebody showing 10,000 yeah that's a pretty substantial block alright couple of the stocks also want to share with you that moving to this morning we got di di I don't know what happened with the stock it had a really good pop out of nowhere you could see it just took off right around here from $1.40 rent to like $1.65 and the buyers are still out there you see right here the buyers are still there you can see from 8 o'clock this morning you see somebody just came up some pretty decent volume so sometimes this could be a alert that will look at and be like wow somebody must have interest someone in the stock so what do we have over here oh is that we got some news on it hold on got my got my things wrong right here yes some news basically came out on it and they kind of made that pot made that stock move right there so we'll keep an eye on that one too on a di di but it came right back down so not too crazy about it we'll see what else we got the GOV X this one right here moved pretty nicely to little buyer just showed up right now for about 40,000 you could see it right there there's a guy out there just bid it up you could see that order right there starting to make a little bit of a move so you can see we got some support levels right here this stock also nice little move the last couple of days this one did a really nice move on for on Friday to you could see it right there a nice little pop forgot to mention this one at 2 o'clock the stock was about a dollar look at thing ran to a dollar 50 that's a lot that's a big move for some of you 50 cents come on that's a lot thousand shares listen you guys think like you could well you can't afford the stocks you got to trade the options and because a lever just in that listen you can make a lot of money with these stocks you shouldn't care what you trade you just here to make money anyway and when you look at the stock you look at the long term and the stock obviously took a very big hit it was in the eight dollar price range I mean the stock took a big big big hit so it's got good volume 15 million shares already traded great tier sizes looks like a level one pretty much looks like everything that we're looking for with my legal panic I've got to write this down now did anything else show up on cyber traders I don't know if you guys see anything else out there but I didn't see that much it's Monday I think it's kind of quiet I know I saw this one too we've been trading this the last couple of days to this thing took a big hit I know looks like it's pretty decent it's got good volatility this one we're at 12% 800,000 shares that's not terrible but I'm not too crazy about the tier size once again all pharmaceutical stocks too maybe I'll put this on the C list sometimes I have to wait till 80 8 a.m. to see if there's anything else moving out of nowhere and yeah all these things are pretty quiet oh this this stock moved pretty nice on this one moved I don't know where this came from gapped up pretty big and came right back down on the farm of stock IMX we trade that two days ago that one's backing off a lot of these things that we traded that's why you gotta learn how to scalp a little bit more and then don't get married to them this one I mean just all everything looks quiet brand names you're not really seeing that much out there too not a lot going on with brand names too you know so even though the market you think is up I'll be a little cautious alright so what we got going on cyber traders so don't forget I know some of you guys logged in a little bit late right now that's okay early burry gets the worm you really missed too much missed too much on Monday but don't forget today we got phase one with Josh we're gonna start from the top of the cycle of the classes we're gonna start that at 1035 so please once we're done trading make sure you're into class we got open house tomorrow we got traders talk tomorrow so we got a lot going on it's gonna probably a short week I'm not expecting Friday's gonna be that crazy I think a lot of people gonna start taking off Thursday afternoon Thursday night they want to enjoy their summers so I think it's gonna be pretty active starting to go until about Tuesday Wednesday and early Thursday we know that those are pretty much hump days we'll focus on that if you're new here to Cybertrain University I did an event on Saturday we had a great audience that that attended we had so many of you registered to do the trial I just want to remind everybody if you are new here to Cybertrain University please make sure you talk to Education Advisor do those workshops we gave to you do those those tutorials that we gave you so when you come into the trading room you can maximize and enjoy what you're seeing it might be very fast for you in the beginning don't be discouraged it's just sometimes we'll trade fast stocks we trade slow stocks we try to accommodate everyone are trading in their room so make sure you enjoy it so I look forward seeing you there you're watching this video and you're watching it later maybe one of the recordings you could just like us join us do a trial nine dollars get your money back sit enjoy this for a full week in the trading room and see what it's like to be you know in a you'll be in a professional trading room all right good luck everyone happy trading go fill up your coffees go hit the restrooms we'll start in 15 minutes once the market opens up for everybody else we'll see you back here at 230


Especially, are we appreciative of the $9 million grant from the U.S. Department of Education in 1984 for the splendid facility which you have dedicated to Skii's new aerospace science engineering program, the only one of its kind, at an historically black university. This new career opportunity continues a long-standing commitment at Skii to prepare our students to enter the mainstream of the American economy. We owe you, Mr. President, a special debt of gratitude for this and other support that you have given to Skii University during your administration. We honor ourselves as we acknowledge your abiding interest in the advancement of higher education in the United States and of this university in particular. Therefore, by virtue of the authority vested in me by the Board of Trustees of Skii University, I confer upon you the honorary degree, Doctor of Laws, with all the rights, privileges, and responsibilities appertaining thereto, and in token thereof, I award you this diploma. I do have to say, though, you have compounded a sense of guilt that I have carried for 55 years. I always thought the first one they gave me was unworthy of this university. The class of 1930 is a young 93 years old. I present candidate for the 1987 Alumni Medal. But whose strangle is her cross. She rose to great eminence. You were a partner during his every advance. He takes his departure. Let us show him how truly grateful we are to him. I thought with this particular crowd that you might drop in by parachute. I landed on your birthday cake. Yeah, the seat of government would have icing all over it, huh? But you're a spake to have here. I'm just sorry Nancy isn't with you. Well, I was going to ask her, but I was afraid she'd just say no. You look just great. Bob, you look great too. You do. Well, I hope I look that good when I'm your age. Backward set. Robert, I just want to say something. All these people here. And that is that I'm sure that many of them know this has been a career with you on birthdays, on holidays of all kinds, dating clear back to the draft days before World War II. You were out entertaining our people in uniform. And then through three wars, you went wherever our fighting men and women were to bring a little touch of home to them. And you left and you were there and now we're at peace and you're still doing it. And I think it's just great of you. But also, I would like to say on behalf of your audience, nothing in the job I have has made me more proud than these young men and women in uniform. But thank you very much for coming. My lapel is a button I have just come from Tuskegee University for their commencement over there. And where a gentleman named General Daniel Cappy James was being honored today. Now his widow was there this day. You all can't see it. But there's a button here in my lapel and it says that I am an honorary Tuskegee Airman. But just before I leave, I just wanted to tell a little story that I thought they might be interested in.  Now, for example, in Out There Heights, I should say, he dreamed of number five. So he went to the track when it opened and he went right down the program to the fifth race and then to the number five horse in the fifth race. And it was named five by five. He bet the bundle on it. The horse came in fifth. He gave me a tip years ago at the Kentucky Derby. It's the first horse I ever saw make a pit stop. Anyway, it's a thrill to have you here. You've thrilled a lot of people here and they've been waiting for you. As I told you, it's at 10 o'clock and you're awful good to show up. Well, Bob, thank you for what you continue to do for all these young people and thank all of you for what you continue to do for our country.


In collaboration with ACT Health and Canberra Hospital, we're building a new facility to allow us to genotype, understand the chromosomal organisation of patients. The beauty of this is that we can now marry what's actually in a person's genome with their treatment and with their diagnosis. This is a massive advance. It completely changes the paradigm for A, both diagnosis on one hand and B, treatment on the other. This enables the doctors and the researchers to collaborate, to implement what is truly 21st century medicine. And it does it by harnessing the discoveries that are already being made here and then truly translates, provides a pathway for true translation of discoveries to make a meaningful difference to the management of patients. The most exciting thing is that it's going to bring precision medicine to patients. Patients will be diagnosed according to their genetic makeup and this will refine not just the diagnosis but their treatment. This is going to change how we actually do medicine. Changes the diagnosis and it changes the tip. This is a really terrific partnership that allows us to sort of apply the depth of knowledge and technology at ANU to really drive very key health outcomes for patients immediately. We're not waiting for new drugs, we're applying it right now.


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We've all heard the saying new year, new body, but it can be quite challenging to stick with that resolution. Hedy Clotter has a story on how to turn that resolution into a lifestyle. The treadmill, the elliptical, and the bikes don't have to be your enemy as the start of the new year brings new weight loss goals for many. Members at any time fitness were already active in sweating it out. A lot of people get frustrated when they come in and don't see results. So what I always try to tell people is it's not always about the number on the scale or how you're looking, but more importantly how you're feeling. There is also a certain trend. After the first few days into the year, the gym traffic seems to fade out. For the first couple weeks to a month to two months, you see a lot of people who sign up but then as it gets nicer when we see who's really sticking with it. Several exercises can be done that don't take much time like the stair master or lifting weights. Going out on the treadmill is a quick and effective way to exercise whether walking or running you can burn hundreds of calories. Each person is different so not everyone will have the same goals. So it might be weight loss, it might be building muscle, so it's not just a generic workout that everybody can do, I mean there is but we tailor workouts specific to people's goals and needs and stuff like that. As a personal trainer, their main job is to motivate a client and help them reach their goals whatever they may be. The gym is like, you know, every year after January, all the new years, people just follow up the map, stop coming into the gym so having that accountability as a trainer, motivating somebody to motivate you. Rich Howe is using this new year to continue his transformation that began last year. It took a wake up call for him to change his life. I got my second DWI about a year and a half ago and I haven't drank it for 540 days and I could make a change there so I decided to make a change in my lifestyle. Howe trained 6 days a week and has lost nearly 40 pounds in the process. He surpassed his weight loss target and continues to lose more weight. Started off here at 319 pounds and I'm 280 now with muscle and now I'm starting a new program called Shred and it's a 6-week program and my goal is to get to 265. On your mark, get set, go train. In Bemidji, Haiti Clotter, Lakeland News. Remember any goal you set is possible as long as you're willing to do the work. If you've enjoyed this segment of Lakeland News, please consider making a tax deductible contribution to Lakeland Public Television.


who has been adept at raising issues of social justice, especially with regard to the intersectionality of racial justice and disability concerns. Welcome, and thank you for your commitment to people with disabilities and their families. I'm honored and pleasure to be able to speak to you today. I, every day that I'm in office, which has now been almost 20 years, I've been thankful to the opportunity you all give me to speak out on behalf of Vermonters, particularly those who are most struggling to get by day-to-day living, whether it be issues with disabilities, whether it be economics, whether it be social stereotypes and challenges that people are facing. And so it's a real honor to speak with you today. When I think about what government is, can be, and should be, and what our country and our state is, can be, and should be, I envision a place where, with the resource that we have, nobody is left in a situation where they can't meet their needs, where they don't have the services to live with dignity, and that is what defines a civil society in my life. Now, we always have to deal as political figures within the constraints of what our society is willing to put in the form of taxes and revenues, and then figure out how to try to meet the needs which are greater than those resources. What frustrates me about that box is that we have some of the fastest-growing wealth inequality and income inequality that we've seen in decades, almost a century, and yet we are saying that there aren't enough resources out there to help remedy those inequities and to help provide those services that in a civil society that we can and should be need to be met. So, I can't speak on behalf of the governor. He doesn't include me in what his vision of the state is on a day-to-day basis, so I'm not speaking on behalf of the governor. I think he'll be speaking to you later today. And I hope that you have good questions for him, because a lot of the discussion that comes from the top leadership in the state has to do include the word taking care of our most vulnerable. And there are many groups that are vulnerable. There are many groups that are most vulnerable. And I would have to say the group we are with today should be in that category with respect to those that we will not leave behind. But when we level fund services, when we cut services for people to be able to stay in their homes and get the assistance they need, when we don't have the adequate resources that we've known as true for years and years and years, we don't know how one can say this budget meets the needs of those who are most vulnerable. And it's important that those of us who are allies speak up for these issues. But it's also important, as many of you already do, that you speak up and make it clear that the needs that are out there are not being met. And it is inappropriate as leaders to say we are meeting the needs of the most vulnerable when we are not. Because those of us who have a voice to project what's happening in the state as elected leaders who often have the microphone who have the ear and eyes of the media attention on us on a daily basis. If we portray a false reality, then many people out there that don't see your reality on a day-to-day basis will not understand the real need that is out there and therefore will not be as friendly to the idea that we need to have the resources to meet those needs. Because they say, why pay more, the needs are being met. That's what we're being told. So I just want to say that I'm someone who understands that. I'm someone who is willing to speak out about that. But the work I've done over the 20 years that I've served has always been bolstered by the participation of all of you and everybody else outside of this building. And so I thank you for coming in today to bring your voice from outside and around the state into the building to meet with your legislators, representatives, and senators. Tell them about the reality, not the story that's being told. And to communicate with the media and to communicate with our op-eds but just tell the story of the truth that's out there so that people recognize that there seems to be this disconnect between reality and the political rhetoric. So I thank you for whatever way you can participate in that part of elevating the public consciousness while I will do it in whatever way that I can. And to wrap up, because I know there's other speakers, I'd like to pass around some business cards so you can reach out to me and also a couple of clipboards that if you want them, you can sign up for an electronic newsletter from my office which is one of the ways I try to tell the story of what's going on in this building beyond what you hear in one-minute news clips or sound bites. And I would also welcome your story in these newsletters. I try to put out a paragraph or two from any group that wants which then might have links to more information to say, here's what's really happening. And I send this to thousands of Romaners to try to get your story and your truth out there in ways that sometimes they can't hear or they're not necessarily part of BCDR's newsletter list. So I ask you if you want one, as long as there's enough to take a card and sign up for the newsletter and please reach out anytime and I know that I'm more than willing to help tell your story in the process. Thank you. Because there's a limited number. Now in self-advocates, disability-serving people with disabilities run by people is fear where people with disabilities have the opportunity to really connect with their legislators to speak up about issues regarding the budget and any decisions that will impact their lives directly by telling their stories and having the legislators really remember what they told them whenever decisions are made and also just with including myself to really speak up about what it could do because disabilities need services to really services or cuts to services outpatient to and from their jobs because sometimes emotional supports because things can get chaotic. Your voice is heard. You come to an estate house. Legislators need to know what self-advocacy is and self-advocacy when I say that it's a movement, not a program and it's for people with disabilities to speak up and gain independence and take responsibility for their own actions and also just to get their voices heard. In the past I was their president but Pam asked me to stand in for her. Her voice has taken a trip out of state and she's going to follow it tomorrow morning. Disability Awareness Day is our community awareness testing and our well-being. With all that's going on in the world and the state lately, this is a timely theme and I think that you folks know and experience what those things outside of what is strictly medical have an effect on our health and well-being. Housing, our ability to get work, our ability to get support just to get out in the community and those are all very much, those are all issues that are very much in play this year when we look at what's on the agenda in the legislature, either that's been put there by legislators or very much, maybe even more pertinently what's been put there in the administration's budget proposal. So we've got a number of folks have made this possible for us and I'm not reading this right but I will look at some different notes and just say that before I hand the microphone over I want to thank the Vermont Developmental Disabilities Council, the Vermont Statewide Independent Living Council and the University of Vermont on disability and community inclusion. These partners give you the green, they give us the money to make this kind of gathering happen and there's more of that than needed than you might think. It takes a lot to organize this kind of thing and everything from buses to food and the food is going to be great this evening and to bring our special guests who are listening in and I won't get that away yet at this point but there's a number of factors that go into that and so I just wanted to make sure before we get too far that I thank those folks because what they do is very important to our movement. I want to also thank the member organizations of VCDR because their contributions are a big part of this as well and I want to thank all of you for showing up. I've been floating around the state house and running around from different committees and different things that I've had to do today and everywhere I have gone I've seen the halls full of people with disabilities, their families, their allies, folks who care and that's what makes a difference. We have got to show people a reality to the statistic that one in five Vermonters are living with a serious disability. Now if you expand that to family members that's pretty much everybody if you really think about it. So thank you all very much for coming. So one of the things that affects our well-being as adults and so far as we've been accused of being adults is our education and right now there are things being discussed that have maybe a glimmer of positive to them and a glimmer of negative to them in terms of our special education system and to talk about that is going to be one of the most informed people I know on the subject of special education who's represented many people to get what they need out of the system and that's a free and appropriate public education for people with disabilities. So I'm going to hand it over to Marilyn Mahoski who works in the Disability Law Project of Vermont's Legal Aid. I think it's just awesome and I think it's really wonderful as that said for everyone to be here to be advocating and making the rights and the needs of people with disabilities visible. So Ed had asked me to speak or I've been asked to speak about legislation that's pending before that actually just came out of the House Education Committee relative to changes in funding and special education and I want to start by acknowledging and recognizing and reminding everybody that students with disabilities have a legal right to receive special education and related services tailored to their individualized educational needs. This federal entitlement came about after years of children being warehoused and excluded from our public schools starting in 1974 with the passage of the Education for All Handicapped Children's Act the predecessor to the Individuals with Disabilities Education Act Congress remedied this inequity. As Ed said, children with disabilities are entitled to a free and appropriate education in the least restricted environment. In an effort to save money on special education funding that admittedly makes it a big part of our local budgets the House Education Committee has passed a bill out of committee that would fundamentally alter the funding model for special education. In addition, the bill seeks to reduce the reported high number of Vermont students determined eligible for special education by identifying and providing support to struggling students early on. The rationale being that early intervention will obviate the need for higher costs of special education costs in the future. While identifying and supporting students who need additional support early to certainly best practice and a laudable goal it must not obfuscate or stand instead of the state's responsibility under federal law to provide a free and appropriate public education to students with disabilities. Other states including Texas who have shifted to a census-based funding model which is the model being discussed at our state house for funding special education has faced federal investigations stemming from a failure to timely identify and deliver services to children with disabilities and to children with suspected disabilities. While Iran is not Texas any bill that fundamentally shifts the delivery of educational supports to struggling students and away from students with federal entitlements to individualized education plans must have clear guidelines for determining when a child's needs are not being met by the multi-tiered system of supports and a special education evaluation is warranted. Any delay in the identification of a student with a suspected disability is a violation of the student's rights under the IDEA. Any denial in the delivery of special education services to students with disabilities is a violation of their rights under the IDEA. As the bill moves forward to consideration by the Senate we hope that the bill will be strengthened by an affirmation that local school districts are not relieved of their obligations despite a lack of funding to ensure that the educational needs of students with disabilities are met. And certainly the disability law project will continue to monitor and to advocate to ensure that as this bill moves forward the rights of students with disabilities are not weakened. Thank you. I think y'all know Max. Max Barrows from Green Mountain Self Advocates. Max, here you go. It's my job. Mountain Self Advocates as outreach director and I am a person with autism and I received developmental services. I'm here today to tell you straight up that we do not support the governor's recommended budget cuts for developmental services. The $4.3 million cut is yet another blow to our system. We need to be proactive, not reactive. Without services I am sitting at home. That will have a negative self-esteem and it's not going to make my mother very happy. I have mental services to work. My job gives me confidence and connections to people. It puts strength in me and I learn from people. It puts positivity in my spirit and the stronger I am the less services I need. The ripple effect of people getting the services they need is they are working and giving back to their community. People see what we have to offer. We are givers, not just takers. It results in a win-win situation for society. How's that for results based accountability? Nine years there has been over $14 million in cuts to developmental disability services and because of these cuts the agencies have no more places to cut that won't directly impact us. At a recent advisory meeting with the commissioner we heard that these cuts will reduce respite services employment services and community support services. The cut will have a larger impact on people living with their families or on their own. These are the very services that allow us to live with dignity, respect and independence. Services for me services for you services for you and we cannot continue to balance the budget on the backs of our poorest and most vulnerable citizens. I am a self-advocate and the self-advocacy movement is committed to lifting up people with disabilities. So the bottom line we need services and support to accomplish this. Thanks so much. I wanted to kind of wrap up by pointing out a few other of the items of concern that are on the table today in the budget process. Max has covered the developmental services very well, better than I could do it. One of the things that he alluded to one of the characteristics unfortunately of many of our peers is that they're not living on top of the economic pyramid so to speak. There is a $300,000 set of cuts to Vermont legal aid that just plain shouldn't happen. Because of the way their services are structured and the contracts they have to represent people in mental health hearings a cut, the $200,000 slice of that is going to directly affect what they can offer to people who are low income and unfortunately the overlap with this community is huge. So that I want to put out there when you're advocating for things it's not a direct disability service but that cut could really hurt our community because they do incredible work at helping keeping people in their homes helping them fight discrimination and other kinds and helping them access economic services that otherwise take the sophistication of a lawyer to be able to handle the complicated programs that are out there. The other part of that $300,000 cut is about $100,000 cut to the office of the Vermont healthcare advocate and that program where people figure out how to access payment for medical services. So if you've got a problem with Blue Cross if you've got a problem with Medicaid if you don't understand Medicare any of those healthcare finance people I know my shop is full of experts I love my people and you won't find better people anywhere but when there are detailed program things like the Vermont healthcare advocate at the Vermont legal aid so those cuts please don't forget those when you're talking with your legislators the other thing that I want to highlight another thing I got a couple more they're going to throw me out of here by the time I'm done there's a promise broken and I mentioned that in room 11 today but last year the legislature strongly supported putting some resources into the people who give direct services in mental health services and in developmental services what we think of as our community mental health development developmental service agencies and our special service agencies like Pathways like Howard Center like Washington County and like NCSS HCRS these people hey hey we got about 10 of the basic agencies and I think there's 5 or 6 of the special services agency upper valley services somebody throw an egg at me if I forget yours a shout out to community mental health let's hear it guys folks counted on a small raise last year they got a 2.1% raise for direct service employees and there was a commitment at the time that there would be another phase to that this year and that they'd be able to start looking up the scale so that their therapists and their social service the people who give social services would start to come to a closer percentage of what you'd get for the same service say as a state employee or working in a school and this year that was not at all to be found in the governor's budget so this is something that we need to be working for because as max pointed out people need these services and it's kind of a double hit because they did the cut he described to individual services service plans and they've failed to give a raise and it's a real that's a heavy hit that leads to worse turn over real problems and then I wanted to point out there's also things that don't get a lot of attention Vermont Association for the Blind and Visually Impaired that helps people access education access services and looking to get a small percentage increase for I believe the last nine years and their major programs have been level funded for that long and they scramble to get private funding they scramble for this that and the other thing but they're not getting the help that we owe each other through state services and through state support and then the one that I think hits me personally I can't explain because I'm not on the program myself but the attendant service program being eliminated completely when about 30 years ago when that was first instituted in this country that was a model it's kind of I make a little analogy and it may not be great but I guess it's not a great analogy but I think about myself and my own life getting back and forth to work I put that little orange tag on my mirror and when the snow is all over the place when it's all steep grades everywhere except for those one or two designated spots that tag when I put that up that's for me that's a little bit of an equalizer I can get around as well as Pat McDonald once I've got one of those because I can park my car and get in and out it just gives me a little chance to compete with the rest of the folks who don't have the same mobility impairments as I do well if you think about something I think about if my spinal cord injury had been a little bit worse at the fifth and sixth vertebrae which is where it was hurt if it had been a little bit worse I would have needed personal care to be able to do things like toileting feeding if I didn't have the use of my hands I got some use of my feet I can throw my own chair in the back of my car if I didn't have some of those things I would need some attendant services somebody to help me do some other basics and then boom I'm off and running and I'll live a live a decent life and we have peers like I don't know if any of you got a chance to hear Dave Saggy on the radio this noon peers who have used that program and built their life you know they've done what they needed to do they're getting out in the community they are living a healthier life because they get out in the community they have jobs they can do so much more with a little bit to equalizing with the rest of the people out there and to me it is shameless that that program has been frozen for three years and that they are talking about eliminating that program and so it's not the biggest cut that's out there but to me it says something it's the dollars and cents it says you know we don't care if you have to impoverish yourself to get state services oh yeah we'll give you state services but you better spend down and qualify for Medicaid you better be living on the edge of the economic cliff before we're going to help you out and it's really to me that's one I just don't know what else to say so I'll stop talking about about that I am going to say one last thing before I open it up if we have people from the press who would like to ask questions I think all of us are available if Maryland is still here if people want to ask questions but one other acknowledgement that I would like to give everybody in BCDR deserves a hand everybody in this room for coming out deserves a hand I just have to say this Stephanie Monty who works at VCIL deserves a hand because she has been the glue that has kept everything together she's done an incredible amount of work to help us out thank you all very much and if there are questions if they have an issue and I'm certainly nervous that you hear about the services what should they do what should they do well I'll tell you I think you're to talk to your legislator individually your own legislator is your best in-road let them know what these services mean to you duriers you know like I said one fifth of Vermonters have a disability how many if you take any one fifth how many of those one fifth have family members family members we all got family you know of one sort or another acquaintances people we care about and so basically everybody in the state is affected by disability issues and so you got to let your legislators know that you are watching you are thinking about that now at the steps that are the process are going through this week the house appropriations committee will be making decisions as to what they take in and out of the governor's budget to hand to get voted on in the house so now these next couple of days are really important for telling your legislators would you talk to people upstairs on that committee so they get a sense holy mackerel people care about the development of this program or people care about developmental services so the issues that are most important to you let your legislator and since you're in the building don't forget to pigeon hole your senators because they get another whack at the whole process it goes through the whole process again in the senate so there's the short answer are there any other questions yes sir what if you're a person with special needs who is getting some services but are not getting a lot of services because they got one foot in and one foot out you know and not really considered disabled how do you deal with those issues when dealing with legislators well I think with a legislator the best thing is to give them a picture of what you live through and regardless of the degree of your disability let them know how that affects your life and if you have if you are on some program but not another let them know the ones that you think are important and if you know other people who may have greater needs like what I've just talked about the attendant services the participant directed attendant services program I'm not on that program I've known people that I really care about who have been and who are on that program and so I have no qualms about telling people what that program is all about so I think that's the I think that answers your question thanks any other questions yes did somebody have a question oh step over that way thing do you want me to give you the microphone come a little closer that's as far as we've got before yeah a little bit more okay what would you do if like your parents in there my parents are in their 60s and my dad's gonna be 71 in my dad's gonna be 71 and I'm trying to like have them I don't know who this I don't know what decide on what they're gonna do move up here okay I think if I am understanding your question you're asking what do you do if you have older parents that look like they're gonna need your help to take care that's a hard question that we are all gonna face as we get older and I don't have a real good answer for you there but I think that what you may want to do is talk to someone either in social services either at your developmental service agency explain it to them and if they don't have a good answer calling disability rights Vermont or Vermont legal aid might be good because there may be something to do with your living circumstances but I think the first place that goes is the developmental service agency and they may be able to help you out you know looking at the individual situations of your case Zach can you come up this is a question for the cameras here I will have been here I'm Zachary Hughes I'm a good advocate around I've been 30 years in Vermont as of tomorrow one of the things I like about Vermont is the variety of services we have here one of the services that just was spoken about is the attendant service program and without that my mom would not have been able to do what she did my dad helped her by getting paid through that program this is a vital program and I urge legislators and everyone else to take a look at it and I'm kind of getting emotional because I'm talking about this this afternoon and I appreciate it questions comments you have a question come ahead about the process and the guardianship piece and I have a question on that how to get the developmental services able to communicate with the legal aid person to I wasn't quite sure about that part and wanted to learn I think I'm going to turn that over to an advocate at Legal Aid then that person can talk to that person about what you're saying so maybe what you need to do is talk to the legal aid yourself and then try and have legal aid work with you to talk to the developmental services agency you have done that okay maybe we can talk privately and I'd be happy to try and walk you through that alright folks I think we're probably winding down thank you all for coming talk with your legislators folks and definitely show up at 4 o'clock hi I'm Kirk Postelwight I am the communications and development director at Washington County mental health services here in the popular barrier area and I'm here at the state house for disability awareness day today and I'm here because this is such an important day for some of the folks that we serve through Washington County mental health through our CDS program it's so important to get more awareness about the folks that we serve and the needs they have and making sure that they are being seen as people who are doing great things in their own lives taking advocacy stands to ensure that they continue to get the support that they need for themselves and the people who help them to live better and meaningful lives knowing that Trump is cutting lots of services why is it really important for Washington County services for people with disabilities especially in this event today I think I would go directly to what Senator Leahy's representative said is that the six most important words in politics and maybe in general in society is you have a story to tell so the importance of having people with disabilities whether they be physical, intellectual etc. tell their stories so that people in the greater community understand that this is important work and that people are living it shouldn't just be one day it shouldn't it should be every day people need to be aware of this every day but through a day like today more awareness is built and more power to tell their stories and by doing that people understand that the votes to allocate more funding and to maintain and increase funding to these types of services are critical to maintaining the progress we've made not only here in Vermont but across the United States of America in supporting people with various disabilities Do you have people with disabilities and if so how do you deal with services for them programs like this I do have people in my family my niece who lives in California has a developmental disability and her mom is very involved with making sure she gets the support she needs and it takes a lot of advocacy and the good news is is that my niece is living a full happy life because of the support she gets


public public access challenges. Thank you. So thank you Sandy for having me always glad to be here and meet other people like you and other scholars in the legal field. So today I'm here to talk about Roe v Wade and before I get to that I just kind of want to talk about constitutional protections a lot of here. Oh my fourth amendment right was violated or my first amendment right is violated but really what this comes down to is actually the 14th amendment the due process clause and so your constitutional rights are applied to everybody via the constitution via the 14th amendment. And that is the privileges and immunities clause. And so when the 14th amendment was passed that clause prohibited states from abridging the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States and then it also importantly important in Roe v Wade defined all persons born or naturalized in the United States to be citizens and those are the people who are protected by the laws of the Constitution. When laws are passed and when somebody believes that their rights are being violated. They have to the court has to determine whether the right that's being violated is a regular liberty or whether it's a fundamental right. And if it's a regular right, they will apply the rational basis test when they're analyzing the law and the rational basis test is pretty, it's pretty low key, the state that passed the law has to have a legitimate interest and the legislation is presumed to be valid and it will be sustained as long as the law is rationally related to whatever the state interest is. If the law however violates a fundamental right or affects the fundamental right. The court has to apply the strict scrutiny test. And in order to survive the strict scrutiny test, the court has to find that the legislator the government state has a compelling government interest in whatever is being affected, and that the law is narrowly tailored to achieve whatever that specific interest is. So, going a little bit further into what is a fundamental right there was an important Supreme Court case, Washington v. Gluxford, and this was a case that actually dealt with the right to assist in a suicide. And the argument came down to whether there was a fundamental right to death. The court analyzed whether this was a fundamental right that all citizens were entitled to, and they had to apply either rational basis or strict scrutiny. And what they found is that a fundamental right is considered fundamental when it's so deeply rooted in our history and traditions or so fundamental to our ordered concepts of constitutionality or ordered liberty. So legal jargon for what is a fundamental right. Moving on to reproductive cases. One of the first important cases that really dealt with the right to contraception was Griswold v. Connecticut. And that came out in 1965 so this was a few years before row. In that case dealt with a married couple. They lived in Connecticut. There is a law in Connecticut that prohibited anybody from obtaining any type of birth control. They went to New York, and they got some advice on how to prevent pregnancy and which contraceptions to use. And so, under that Connecticut law. They could be sent in anywhere from 60 days up to a year in jail, and they could also get a fine and so could the doctor who provided them those medical advice. They ended up suing. And in that decision, the court very importantly laid out this what's called a zone of privacy. And what the court found was that within the Bill of Rights, there is a penumbra of rights, including the right to privacy. And the right of privacy includes the right of privacy of intimacy between married couples. And so they got to that conclusion by analyzing some other constitutional cases that had come up prior to this, that weren't necessarily the numerous rights in the Constitution, but rights such as the right to homeschool your children the right to determine their medical care, things of that nature and so the Supreme Court said, these all created a kind of invisible zone of privacy. And so, when it comes to decisions between married people they found that that was within that zone of privacy. And that was a fundamental right. So the next case of course was Roe v Wade. Can I interrupt you for a minute. Justine, so that you so that I, I think our audience should understand that that was only however for married people, correct. Correct. Not for single people. Correct. They could not use birth control. Right. Yeah, correct. Yes. So, when we get to Roe v Wade this was a few years later this was decided in 1973. So this was a Texas law that made it illegal to obtain an abortion or to attempt to obtain an abortion, except if the mother's life was in danger was the gist of the law. So the appellant Roe, she was an unwed pregnant woman. She wanted to terminate her pregnancy and in her argument she wanted to terminate her pregnancy. She wanted to be performed by a competent licensed physician in a clean clinical setting, and she was unable to legally do that because of the Texas abortion law. She also said she could not afford to go to another state jurisdiction to obtain this. And so her rights were being violated is what she argued. So she actually argued that her rights were being violated in the first fourth, fifth, ninth and as applied to the 14th amendment. So the court when they were discussing this opinion, found that there's not a an explicit right to privacy in the Constitution, however, based on prior cases including the Griswold case that I was just talking about the court that a right of personal privacy or a guarantee of certain areas or zones of privacy do exist under the Constitution. This included the right to privacy in relation to marriage, procreation, contraception, child rearing and family relationships and those all came from prior cases leading up to this. And then the court further held that this right of privacy, whether it be founded in the 14th amendments concept of personal liberty and restrictions upon state action is broad enough to encompass a woman's decision whether or not to terminate her pregnancy. And so they further went on to determine that, you know, contrary to the arguments of the appellies that a fetus was not a citizen, and the reason being was because as defined in the 14th amendment, a citizen were persons born or naturalized in the United States and so the fetus has not been born yet it is not entitled to the protections of the 14th amendment. And following the court also kind of laid out a trimester standard for when it is okay to intervene and create laws on a woman's decision to choose whether to terminate her pregnancy or not. And then they further held that any laws in regards to abortion had to survive strict scrutiny so they determined that abortion, the right to privacy in regards to an abortion was a fundamental right. The next kind of landmark case that really solidified Roe v Wade came in 1992. And that was Planned Parenthood versus Casey. In that case, there were some Pennsylvania laws that abortion clinics and physicians challenge saying that they created a burden against women's right to an abortion. Court and Casey called their decision a watershed decision and that's important because in Supreme Court history and their discussion of stare decisis. And for those who don't know sorry decisis is the principle that the Supreme Court is founded on the English common law founded on that when you decide a case that has to be based on your prior decisions you can't just be making law left and right with your legal court decisions. So in Casey they talked about sorry decisis, and Casey was a watershed decision, meaning that if this case was ever challenged in the future, that the court should look to not overturn it because of the importance and the principles that went into it. So at the court and Casey found, they actually had created the viability test which we know now is pre viability. There can be no restrictions on a woman's right to get an abortion post viability which is when a fetus is perhaps can live outside of the womb. They cannot create laws that cause an undue burden to the woman in her right to an abortion. So that created the undue burden test. So in this specific Pennsylvania case, they found that informed consent requirements, a 24 hour waiting period parental consent provision, the reporting and record record keeping requirements, did not impose an undue burden on a woman's right to an abortion. However, they did find that a spousal notification in which a woman would have to get permission from her spouse did constitute an undue burden under the statue under row and now Casey. And so that case was really important essentially what that said is no you cannot overturn Roe v wave. And it also created that undue burden test which is what all of the states are subject to now when they create any type of law that affects a woman's right to choose to terminate her pregnancy or not. So those are really important as we kind of come into today's landscape. We have quite a few attacks on the on Roe v Wade and Casey. Most importantly, there was a case argued in December in front of the Supreme Court, and it was Dobbs v Jackson women's health organization, and that is a Mississippi case in which they are trying to outlaw abortions outright after 15 weeks. And so the questions specifically that were presented to the court in throughout the procedure of this case are whether the pre viability prohibitions on elective board abortions are unconstitutional. And whether the validity of a pre viability law that protects women's health, the dignity of unborn children and the integrity or the medical profession and society should be analyzed under the Casey undue burden test, which we just talked about, or whether it should be analyzed under Heller's dead balancing benefits and burdens. And the last question presented was whether abortion providers have third party standing to invalidate a law that protects women's health from the dangers of late term abortions. And if you listen to the arguments that were made in December. The whole argument really rests on well Roe v Wade and Casey got it wrong. And now we have medical advancements and we know about fetal harm and so therefore those two cases should be overturned. And so that was really the basis of the argument. And so that was the basis of the argument behind those. And then most recently there is a new Texas law that was passed, which outlaws all abortions after six weeks and it doesn't outlaw them it's actually very unique. And the reason it's unique is because the Texas law allows private citizens. So not a state actor, a state actor is necessary to burn constitutional claims. It allows private citizens to enforce the ban on after six weeks. So it's not the state imposing a burden on a woman's right to choose but it's private citizens. And so legal scholars had kind of framed it that way to really get past whether that can even be argued in the Supreme Court because in order to argue the constitutionality of any type of law you need a state action or a state action that impeans on a constitutional right. And so that law is very unique in the fact that it's creates an avenue for private citizens really. Any questions. I have a couple but I also wanted to tell a little story about Vermont, if that's okay. Please do. In 1972, when I was first living in Vermont. There was a very important state case called the Jacqueline R case the real name of the case was beach and versus Leahy. In that case, there was a woman Jacqueline are who wanted to get abortions and abortion, and she was prohibited from doing so. At least she was prohibited legally in a way and let me describe what the law was at that point, which would lead me a little bit into what's going on in the legislature now with prop five actually okay. So, there was one law on the books at that time and I'm going to ask you about that. The one law that dealt with abortion was a law that said, a doctor could not perform an abortion. The doctor could be criminal I could we could go to jail. If he was found to have permitted or done an abortion. There were no law other laws though that prohibited abortion. I'm not certain what it was another states but that was the way it was. Jacqueline R sued under that law, and by the way the person that was sued was Pat Leahy who was the state's attorney at the time. And now he's of course the senator from the state of Vermont, and he's a very pro choice senator as well. Okay, so that went to the Vermont Supreme Court. And the day that that was decided I was in the courtroom, I was not an attorney but I was an observer very interested in this case. And out of the, you know, chambers comes all these men judges and I thought God was screwed. However, this was the decision that they made which was really not particularly a constitutional decision. And what they decided that because a woman could could abortion herself. That why couldn't the doctor, there was no intrinsic crime in the abortion. In other words, although a fetus was removed and was, you know died in an abortion that it was not a homicide in any way. If a woman did it herself. So why then, would you criminalize a doctor for doing this procedure at all, because it wasn't really a crime. So the court decided that it was a contradiction in the law, and therefore that the law had to be essentially decided to be void. That was in 1972, before row. Okay, so everybody. So, in other words, abortion was decriminalized, and it became merely a medical decision that a woman could get an abortion and private consultation with a doctor and it was the end it was totally, it was a vacuum, there were no laws prohibiting it. And that situation that occurred in maybe late summer, and then the legislature was going to meet again in January. And so all of us women and men decided that we better do something before the legislature met again to outlaw it perhaps. And so we formed at that point, the Vermont women's health center, which is still in existence today. And it was the first women's health clinic in the I believe in the United States that legally could perform abortions. There was no real doctor to doctor a couple doctors. It was a total collective. There was no real authority at the top it was a very radical little group, and they are still in existence today, except that now it's part of Planned Parenthood. So I was going to ask you this just in, if, if row is overturned, and it might be, there's a, there was, you know, the Jacqueline our case, 72, followed by row 73. And that abortion became legal but there was always a backlash against abortion there was always been the threat that if the, this weird court got appointed that was basically partisan and a Republican court that that role would be overturned, but I want. I want to ask your comments, if it is overturned, what do you what's going to happen. If it's overturned, I think at that point it goes to the states, right. And it would be up to each individual state, because at that point you no longer have this medical decision within what was determined to be a zone of privacy. And what do you mean by that okay so this is the way I understand it would go. It's, I think many people out there are under the impression that if rose overturned that somehow abortion is going to be illegal, but it's not. What, what it means to overturn that federal case in the US Supreme Court means that the whole issue returns to the state, and then the legislature would be taking it up correct. Okay, so what is it. What would the legislatures then do say for instance that all of a sudden that right to life, so called that organization. What would they propose it would they propose again that abortion by a doctor would be illegal kinds of things that would happen use what what kinds of things would happen. Well, tell us a little bit more about Texas, because Texas, the legislature in Texas did pass a law, correct. And now the Supreme Court has decided not to enforce an injunction preventing that law from take place. Correct. And so, and I think really what the issue probably comes down to is where the standing is, because if the law allows private citizens to an abortion ban. Then I don't know where the standing would come in to protect that right, because it's not a government actor. In other words, what do you mean by that so any person in Texas, who assists, not assist who knows that an abortion is being performed. They can tell the police who can sue who the woman the clinic who are the whoever. So I don't think they can as of right now sue the woman but anybody who drove them a doctor that performed it anybody that assisted in any way shape or form can be sued by civilly civilly, right. Yes, any private citizen. So it's not criminal. It's in the civil courts, for which what the, you know, if a clinic was found to have allowed an abortion, then the clinic would have to pay somebody damages or something, or do you know, so I'm not sure how it's playing out um, I believe they can also seek injunctions to prevent somebody from assisting, although I don't know how well that would have to stand legally. So but I'm not quite sure how it's playing out yet it's still pretty new and it's been kind of in the are they going to allow it to be enforced or they're not going to allow it to be enforced, and they just, they did just take it up for a hearing but it was just on the standing issue. Okay. But there, but there are other things that a state might do, for instance, in Vermont, even I think when I was in the legislature, they tried to pass, I especially in New Hampshire to they in New Hampshire they did in Vermont we didn't pass a law that said a minor has to get parental consent to have an abortion, a minor, you know, a woman then under 18. Correct. That's, however, that did not pass constitutional mustard, you know that right justine. Well I know that in Casey it did. It did so there are certain states where parental notification can happen. So as long as there is a judicial. Overreach. Yes. As long as that's in place then yes then the parental consent or, you know information was not found to be an undue burden on a woman's right to choose. Not amazing. Anyway, okay. So that's what I think is going to happen if it's overturned I really would like a man who favor this right to understand that that does not make it automatically criminal. It means it returns to the states. So in other words, if you're an activist on this issue. I would guess that the message would be to keep your state safe. And I think Vermont is trying to do that. But maybe there are other questions. Okay, any other healthy. Hey, yeah. I don't really understand that. Can you hear. Can you hear me. Yes. There is a woman is performing enough. Let's say the example of Texas. The Texas sample that she gave the woman wants to perform an abortion and anybody who bring her to a private clinic. Okay, can be sued by who you, I've heard by anybody, but who are these anybody. As long as they know that this woman perform an abortion, so they can kind of, they don't say or say that denounce denounce her. Just like that. And, and also, um, I know a story in that happens in 1984. We didn't talk about the time of the abortion, the time that three or 12 weeks. Okay, you are allowed to have an abortion up to 12. This is legal. Well, is it, is it just a yes, is it legal or is it something that that you can do that they allow you to do, but it's not in the law. It doesn't happen. And you have the private clinics in New York City that happen in New York City, you have private clinics who do have abortion after 12 weeks. A lot. So what, what is happening with this clinic if they, they, the people who are there, I don't know, found out. So the case in 84 that you're talking about, that was prior to the Casey decision. So back when Roe v. Wade was decided the court divided it by trimester. So in the first trimester, which I believe is up to 12 weeks, you can, there was no restrictions on any choice to get an abortion. There were some restrictions at, you know, during the second trimester, it kind of depended and the states could interfere. And then the third trimester was, the states could definitely interfere, and they could balance the interests of the unborn fetus with that of the women's. But when Casey came out in 1992, that actually did the viability test which has become more of a bright line test. And so I believe they decided that viability is at 23 weeks. And so anytime after 23 weeks, the states can create laws. And again, it brings in that balancing test of the unborn fetus versus the woman's interest. But prior to that viability line that 23 week line, there is not supposed to be any laws passed that create an undue burden on a woman's right to choose. But as far as the Texas law in place right now. And I know that there are actually a lot of abortion providers that are announcing to Texas. Hey, I just provided an abortion today sue me as a way to challenge the law. So I think they're trying to get the law into the district court or to get it taken up by the courts to address that. I think that LC if I understand it was also thinking that perhaps abortions after 12 weeks were illegal, but they're not. Okay, as Justin said, under 12 weeks. There are no questions asked it's really abortion on demand which is what the pro, the anti choice people would argue that it's a board it is up to 12 weeks. Well, that was under row. What that was under Roe v Wade, but then Casey clarified it more to the 23 weeks to 23 weeks. Correct. So, yes, it was divided up by trimester which why when she's talking about an 84 anything after 12 weeks could have been it was up to the states kind of. In 92 and Casey was decided that's when they pushed it to a viability line which is around 23 weeks. Do you know that used to be the religious position in the 19th century, even the Catholic Church, prior to viability. They didn't make any statement about it and only became late 19th century that the Catholic Church even sort that well of course they don't outlawed because they outlawed, I guess for their own people who belong to the church, but not for normal. We have still in this country is separation of church and state. However, but even okay so maybe you could comment to. I remember about the parental consent. That's very confusing to a lot of people, because the argument will be well you can. Nobody can give a kid an aspirin without asking their mother and father about it in schools for instance I don't know if that's true or not but let's say it's true. So why shouldn't the girl notify a parent when and get that permission when she wants to have an abortion well, I remember Howard Dean said something that was really compelling. Howard Dean by the way was a doctor when he was a governor, and he was totally firm on this issue. He said he had seen too many cases where the father of the mother was a father of the fetus. He never ever have a young girl have to tell her parents about an abortion. And I thought that was. I mean that was his position period that if a woman is old enough to get pregnant, then she is old enough to make the choice whether or not to terminate that pregnancy. So another way to look at that too is, if a minor, you know, 1415 year old ended up following through the pregnancy, that minor has the rights over that child her parents don't. Right. So that's another way to look at that as well as if the child was born, then they have the rights over the same parental rights that everybody does regardless of that person's age so. She cannot have an abortion, she's not allowed to have an abortion under the age, but she has to become a parent. She is allowed to have an abortion, however, under road, you know, the, in other words, what we're talking about now I think Justin and correct me if I'm wrong. So these are various ways a state, the states have attempted to restrict Roe v. Wade this is that was an attempt. As far as I knew parental consent was not was considered a restriction on a woman's rights to to terminate a pregnancy, unless there was a court avenue over that correct. And so and that's what they said and Casey was that the parental consent provision was not an undue burden, so long as it had the judicial avenue to kind of go around that if need be.  Okay, Robin. You're muted. I'm going to talk about the abortion pill, and I thought I heard that it was, it was part of the Texas that down there in Texas they're trying to make that tell, could you talk about the pill, and is that going to be an option for pregnant girls if this is Wade is thrown out and could you I mean I don't know whether you know about this but talk about the non legal issues do young women like the pill is it. What does it do to the body is it, it doesn't work. And what is it called I forget the name of it. How are you 40 I believe something along those lines. I'm not super familiar on the effects it has other than I know it can be used up to eight weeks after eight weeks. It is not recommended for you so after that point DNC is recommended as the safest procedure. Essentially, it is a two part pill. The first part is taken in the office with the provider, and they send you home with the second part. And I believe it's eight or 12 hours later, it is inserted into the vaginal canal. It essentially causes the uterus to contract and expel any content so it essentially causes a shedding of the lining similar to a menstrual cycle. Anytime after eight weeks though they don't recommend that they recommend the DNC procedure. But as far as the effects in Texas that I have not heard. Robin, if I might address that, there's always been an attempt to outlaw the morning after pill is called often in common parlance. The again the anti choice people would like that outlawed however, is fairly easy as I understand it just maybe you could correct that too. It's easy to obtain and in a way, I don't know how I don't know how that could be outlawed unless it's determined by the FDA, not to be an approved drug but I don't I don't think that the police are going to be able. I don't know. I mean that that might be a real solution for a lot of young women. And then morning after that separate from the r u 40 pill that I was just talking about the morning after pill is plan B. That is a strong dose of birth control, and that just so essentially regular birth control oral contraceptive birth control when it's taken as prescribed it essentially prevents any eggs from your ovaries from implanting and fertilizing with this firm and creating a fetus the morning after pill is a strong birth control which does the same thing in a short amount of time, and it is not the abortion pill and so a lot of critics try to. They either do or they try to confuse the general public and make them think they're the same thing but they're not. Obviously the morning after pill is most effective when taking 24 to 36 hours after unprotected sex or failed contraceptive, and it just prevents any egg from being released and fertilized, whereas the abortion pill the r u 40 actually is taken after a confirmed pregnancy and the risk contracts to expel what is already there. And so that's the differences between those two. I will say plan B over the last several years has become very accessible you can buy at the drugstore I think when Obama was president he made it so you do not need a prescription It might be useful for some listeners. It's available on Amazon one day shipping so if you ever know someone that needs it and they can't get to a store Amazon will send it to you so. Good question. Okay. All right, any other questions. No, I did want to talk about the recent LC did you. The recent efforts in the Vermont legislature are you aware of those Justine. Absolutely from what you were talking about earlier. Okay, so up until a couple years ago then. Abortion was decriminalized in other words, it was not on the books there was nothing. It was merely a private matter between a woman and her doctor and that's by the way another statement that Howard Dean once made that I found interesting from a doctor's point of view he said that's what abortion should be. It should be a matter between a woman and her doctor period right, and that's the way it really was after the Jekyll in our case. A couple of years ago, however, some of the pro choice people within the legislature decided that because row was going to be they thought overturned course it hasn't been yet. They would try to make Vermont safer than it already was, and they introduced legislation, which attempted to codify the language of row into the legislation, and also into a constitutional amendment that constitutional amendment is called prop five. And it's going to be on the ballot in the fall, whether or not you want the Vermont Constitution amended, in other words, to include a woman's right to choose abortion. So that's what's going on and it's going to hit the ballot box in November. I don't know anybody have any thoughts about that and how that's going to go. You know, what do you think? How do you think it will go in a popular vote? Do you think that the pro choice forces will win or what? I guess no one has a thought about that. How about you Robin, what do you think? Is she still there? No? I'm just saying what I'm thinking is that now that it's going to be up for a vote, I think it's going, I don't know, I think it's going to be extremely controversial and that there'll be a lot of open fights about this. Vermont is perceived to be a very pro choice state. I really don't know. I don't know. I mean, does anybody have any thoughts on that? Yeah. It's completely tiresome that we have to argue these stupid things over and over and over again. You know, I mean, next October, is that's going to be the issue that we're going to have to be working on? How about all the other issues? I know. Out there and anyway, it's. Yes. Grant had something. What? How do you think the form of the founding of the Women's Health Center, how that vote went would relate to coming over in October? Because that was a big surprise. Right. Let me tell you another struggle that I was involved. It was one of the best and most fun struggles that I ever was involved with. And this was the, about the founding of the Women's Health Center and that was in 72. So there was a space of about maybe four months between the Jackal in our case and then the opening of the Women's Health Center. And so in November of that year, the town of Colchester put this thing on the ballot that said the following and see it was a trick question. By the way, the Women's Health Center was opening in Colchester, Vermont, not Burlington, but in Colchester. And so the town fathers, as we would call them put on the ballot, this question. Do you approve of an unlicensed clinic in the town of Colchester? Okay, so people can understand what that meant or not. I mean, Justin, do you get it? Sort of. Yes. Okay, so we thought we were going to lose that. I remember that we tried stupidly, and now I look back on it, we tried to keep it off the ballot, even because we are so afraid we'd lose. I remember going to court, I was the plaintiff in the case. And my attorney was this guy named Jim Morse who subsequently was on the Vermont Supreme Court. He always reminds me if I see him, I was his first client. He was a very young attorney. I was the plaintiff. And we tried to keep that off the ballot and we lost. But he reports that when he went back into chambers to talk about the judge, talk with the judge, whose name was Judge Valenti from Rutland, Italian Catholic, Judge Valenti said, and why are you here with all those baby killers? So that was, that guy was going to be open-minded, right? Anyway, so we lost that case. It was on the ballot. And guess what? We campaigned like crazy. We even went to church parking lots and stuck, you know, pamphlets and the windshields of people, especially at the Catholic Church. Okay. And there was a big meeting the night before the vote in the town of Colchester. We all went. And all these nuns showed up and they had all these little fetuses and bottles. And they said that this is what you're doing to these little Johnny's and little Susie's. It was really fun, actually. It was really fun. Anyways, the town meeting was really, it was the first time ever that I spoke in public even. So the next day was the vote. And actually we won two to one on that vote. In other words, the town of Colchester voted that they did want unlicensed clinics in Colchester. Right. And Grant is remembering that Colchester was like Winooski in terms of its Catholic population. But I mentioned that because in the privacy of people's ballot box, I think, I don't know, what are your, what are your guesses? I, we won that two, you know, two to one in a Catholic town. What do you think? I mean, are people in this country?  What do you think? Anybody who has a thought on it? What do you think? I think they're more less, I think they're more for less government intrusion is my thoughts on that. And so. And so maybe that's why they voted that way. They didn't. Right. Right. I mean, they, I think many Americans of any religion feel that, that you're right that people don't want the government telling them what to do in the bedroom. I really do. Okay, I think they have to assume the consequences of people in their bedroom. I know. Okay. I was, I taught a long time, just seeing that Johnson State University too. And I can remember that we took a poll in my class. And all the men approach choice to they don't want to be paying child support for the rest of their lives.  Okay, Joanne had something in the chat right Joanne. Question or comment. Okay. Yeah, I, I think the majority of when they take opinion polls the majority of Americans believe in the right to have an abortion. Correct. If I, if I, if I remember correctly, if I, if I remember correctly, and, and, and Vermont is and Vermont has, has been a purchase state just despite there being the presence of, of some right to life, of some right to life groups that have been protesting at the plant parenthood clinics in Burlington sometimes. So I, I think I, I think we're probably a safe state for, for, for, for passing it, unless people get intimidated by, by, by the right by, by the, by the so called pro lifers. What's the first, what's the percentage of people to ask it. Okay, I'll see has a question. Yes, I wanted. My question is, what's the percentage of a woman and men who are pro choice in Vermont. I would be a Vermont referring to what Cindy was saying. Does anybody have a comment on that, other than me. From the beginning, that 60% of Americans redefine themselves as I would say pro women, but also of course the common parlance is pro choice so I'll use both. But to me, Roe V Wade, and all of those pro choice arguments are really arguments for women's rights over their bodies. I think we forget that. I think that gets us into an argument about when a fetus is viable when a fetus is not. The fact is, I think in the legality of the situation, the only person involved at this moment is the woman herself the pregnant woman who I think the court in Roe V Wade said that that was a person, and that person. She had the right to make medical decisions, free of the interference of the government, I think, but anyway, I think 60% anyway, I just want to point out for those of you who are in Vermont which I think is probably everybody but me. I am in a not safe state I'm in Florida and we have passed a 15 week. Or we are this week we have been flying our 15 week abortion ban through the legislator and it's going to vote tomorrow. I think that safe state should be worried as well, because if you're a safe state that does provide abortions live, you're going to start seeing the overflow and the effects of women from states like Florida and Texas, and Mississippi, who are going out of state to get an abortion because they can and that's because those women have the privilege of the funds of being able to do so. And so, here's where it comes down is the women who can't afford it, black and brown communities are going to be most affected by these bands because you're you know poor neighborhoods and poor women not being able to afford to go to those safe states to get abortions or to get the medical procedure that they need. And so I think safe safe states should be worried as well I don't think we can forget that and get into this bubble of I'm in Vermont so I'm safe or I'm in New York so I'm safe because the effects of other states are going to compound and affect the safe states as well. And then another thing I just want to put out there is often when we have pro choice fighters. I think too often, we go out there with good intentions and we narrowed the argument to our counterparts of what about, what about incest what about rape what about this and I think we are doing ourself a disservice by making those arguments, because the need for an abortion does not need to be a tragedy in order to be something that you want, it doesn't need to be tragic. And I think it's very important that we keep the focus on this is a medical decision for a doctor and not pigeonhole ourselves by what about incest what about rape what about this what about that it doesn't need to be a tragedy you can get an abortion because and because that's what suits your needs and so I just I like to make that point when I'm talking about this so we don't get into this vortex of. Now we find ourselves down the road where abortions allowed for some incidents but not others. That's a very good point because Roe v Wade was really about women's rights. It was not about only about abortion, it was about a woman's rights to make medical decisions in accordance with her own conscience. And in consultation if she wants to with a doctor but it was about women and pregnant women in particular. Does anyone else have any final thoughts. So what are your predictions about this prop five. What do you think about Robin said something interesting I don't know if she's still with us I want to point that out. I think that putting it on the ballot might very well subsume our whole election in November, and that is what worries me. It really worries me that that will become kind of the dividing law and the most talked about issue. And there are so many other issues. I really, in some ways, wish that that could have waited, or not been put on the ballot at all. Yeah, I'm seeing some of the comments with the opinion polls. That may be public opinion but we're not a popular vote country where what our legislators vote for. So even if the public at large is in favor of abortion. That doesn't necessarily mean that that's going to be what the lawmakers vote for. I'd like to jump in about the privacy of the ballot box which I think Sandy brought up and I think that's important because what I'm wondering is what are the Trump people, the people who follow him. Is this a big issue for them because to my mind Trump. I think he was anti abortion. He, he imposed the gag law, which takes money away from helping clinics overseas to be able to provide abortion so I mean on a sort of an official way but obviously he lived a life where he would be glad to. He would he has the morals of a person. I mean, that he would not stop for a moment to, to avoid an abortion. All I'm saying is, I'm just wondering what the Trump people how they will vote. So, once they are in the ballot box and I have the feeling they will vote for this, this bill that will be in Vermont. First of all, can I comment on that Robin. I don't think you can lump Trump voters that way. I was in a discussion group in which there were Trump voters women and men. They basically the hostility toward them was so great from the Democrats that they eventually left that group, however, but I listened to them, and they were pro choice. And they said, and they said what many libertarian say I mean you've got to remember that Trump voters are not any one thing.  But some of them are libertarians and the libertarian believes that government shouldn't interfere with your most intimate decisions, even when those decisions are being made by women. I, I think that the polls will show most people are pro choice. However, I don't know if most people are pro a constitutional amendment. You remember Robin and you were involved when the era hit the ballot here remember that that loss.  It lost I believe because people don't want the Constitution change. So I don't, I really don't know, I wish, I wish. I wish the proponents well I just don't want that to be the main argument of the November elections just like you said, you know. Anyway, any, any final thoughts or questions. Okay, well Justine any final thoughts from you. And what could you say one other thing we're adjusting well so what is going on in Florida. We are passing a bill very similar to the one that was passed in Mississippi that's in front of the Supreme Court right now. It's a 15 week ban. I haven't read the full text of it so I don't know if it's civil or criminal, but I do know it's a 15 week outright ban. And you're going to Florida you think is going to pass it. Yes. How do you know that just because that's what the polls are saying. That is the makeup of our legislator. Yeah, so I went to an abortion march. A couple months ago, and there was a large turnout but it was in Orlando, which is one of the more progressive areas of Florida. And the law has been passing historically fast through our legislator over the last couple of months and it just passed the last committee and so I believe it's up for a vote tomorrow if I'm not mistaken. Well, call me after that then and let me know how it goes with you or email me would you do that. Yes. Well, thank you any final questions before we let justine get back to her sunshine is the sun still out or is it dark yet. No, dark out. Okay, but it'll be sunny tomorrow without snow right. It should be. Thank you very much, and we will see everybody next week next week we'll be discussing another issue close to Floridian's hearts, and that is Cuba, and the 60 years that the United States has had a blockade or what they call a blockade, or we call it embargo against Cuba which is like 90 miles from you. Is that right justine or more. Correct. We'll see you then. Thank you very much for justine. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you for having me.