Hi, Vett. We saw your hand raised. I'm guessing it was just to make sure that you were going to get speaking and video privileges, but let us know. Okay, great. Yep. Michelle's working on it. She had to get the YouTube stream as well. Okay. Okay. And I do see James. If you could select, you should have a prompt asking you if you'd like to be promoted to a panelist. If you could please select that for me. And then as I promote you to panelists, if you could please change your names to reflect your first and last names for me, that would be very much appreciated. Michelle? Yes. Well, I have to leave early. That's why I neglected to accept the a panelist because I assume that would be at the end of the program. I have to leave at seven. Okay. Well, if you would like to stay on and participate until then, that's totally fine. If you would like me to switch you back to an attendee where you can just listen, I can do that as well. You just let me know your preference. Okay. Let me be an attendee then. Okay. Great. I'll put you back down. Of course. We'll get into discussion pretty early in tonight's program. So we'd like to give most of the time tonight to be able to hear from CAC members if that impacts your decision at all. I would encourage you to stay and you could always leave regardless at the time that you need to. James, did that change your mind at all? Would you like to stay on? As a panelist, we're saying. As a panelist? Sure. As long as I'd be happy to do, yeah, to help in any way I could. I'm just saying that I'll have to leave early. That's fine. James, the issue is that as a panelist, you're able to chime in more. You're able to actually verbalize as we go through the discussion. Okay. Not as a general member of the public. So folks, we'll get started in just a few minutes. We're waiting just on all the logistics here to get everybody up to speed. I'll remind everybody if you could please change your screen name to your first and last name so that we can sort of take role. And even as we go through, it helps us just to understand who's here and calling you directly. So a little technical assistance on how to do that. I don't know how to do that. Sure. So if you hover over your name, Lee, in your screen area on the top right of your box, three little dots pop up. Yeah, I see those. Okay. So click on those. And it should say change name. I see mute my audio, start video. And then at the bottom, you should say rename. Rename. Okay. All right. The zoom world. There you go. Okay. There you go. You got it, Lee. Now, while I got you, how do I get this big ad off my screen? You mean you got like an ad blocker? I've got City of Santa Rosa advertising everything from fountain grove to, you know, downtown or whatever. So how do I get that off? Oh, well, that might be Santa Rosa forward. That's just our... Yeah, it is. Okay. So that's just the PowerPoint. We're going to work through that a little bit. Okay. But if you want to see others, if you want to see the gallery view, as I think what you might be... Yeah, yeah. I like to kind of see the gallery view. So what do I go to view? Okay, you're right. Go to view options or view on the top right. And you could select the one that says side by side. I hit the wrong thing. I exited all you guys out. No, so just go back and do side by side gallery. Side by side. Okay. I see Noe and Andrea. Those are the only two people I see. So then if you hover between the big Santa Rosa ad, like you said... Oh, there's a full screen. Yeah. So if you hover between the two, between the folks and the screen, right? You are viewing Dan and Amston MIG screen, it says. Right. And so then you can kind of toggle and make the screen larger or the gallery larger. There's kind of a little line that divides the two, the gallery and the Dan screen. Okay. So on the left and the upper left, it says live on custom live streaming service. In the middle, you are viewing Dan, Amston and MIG screen and then further to the right, view options. So do I want to go in and view the options and exit full screen or follow presenter's pointer or...? I think you should be in side by side mode. Try that one. Okay. I just did that and I've got about nine people, eight or nine people. There you go. There you go. That's what you want. All right. So how do I get rid of this other stuff? You can't yet. Okay. That one Dan controls. He's sharing his screen and we're going to go through a PowerPoint and we want you to see that. Oh, I can get rid of it. I put my clipboard over. There you go. Okay. All right. Sorry for this. No. Hey, this is what it's about. We want to make sure everybody is comfortable and able to participate. So Michelle, are we ready to get going? We are. If our committee members would please turn on your cameras now and then we can start and do roll call. So I don't see my picture. I see everybody else. The same buttons on the right. Start my video camera. There you go. And it's still nothing there. Yeah. We see something. It's, I think the video camera is pointing at... Oh, I know what it is. There you are. There you go. All right. I'll send you my invoice later, Lee, for, you know, the technical assistance. Yeah. Okay. I'll send it right back to you. Appreciate it. Okay. Michelle, are we ready? We are. And if we could stop sharing or stop screen share for just a moment while we do roll call just so I can have a visual on everyone. Perfect. Thank you so much. Okay. So I'm going to just do a roll call real quick. Ellie Soto. Andreas Vigil. Annette Arnold. Here. Thank you. Daylashay Benson. Daylashay, I see your name up on the screen. Sorry, I was muted. That's okay. Thank you. Um, Erica Meekish. Yvette Minor. Here. Thank you. Jen Close. Here. Lee Pierce. Here. Lisa Jocelyn. Melanie Ailers. Here. Michael Cook. Michael. I'm sorry. Here. Thank you. Omar Lopez. Here. Patricia Thompson. Rajida Bomeek. Here. Ryan Tracy. Here. Stephanie Menari. Steven Spillman. Here. Kevin Anderson. Hi everyone. Hi. Michelle Spillveda. Sorry, I killed that your last name. Okay. James Pettigrift. Here. Perfect. Joel Batterman. Here. Anna Stevens. And Annie Barber. Here. Thank you. Okay. Let the record reflect that all committee members are present with the exception of Ellie Soto, Andreas Vigil, Erica Meekish, Lisa Jocelyn, Patricia Thompson, Stephanie Menari, Michelle Spillveda, and Anna Stevens. And Michelle, can you note how close we are to quorum in case some people have to leave early? Of course. Actually, it looks like Erica has just joined us as well. So we are, I'm sorry, 16. So we will have a quorum even with James Needing to leave a little early. Awesome. Thanks, Michelle. Okay. So just really quick, I would like to start the meeting by reading this to you all. The city of Santa Rosa is committed to creating a safe and inclusive environment free from disruption. We will not tolerate any hateful speech or actions and are well staffed to monitor that everyone is participating respectfully or they will be removed. If necessary, we will also immediately end the meeting. If the meeting is ended, we will plan on recording another presentation without participants that will be posted on the project website. Great. Thank you for that, Michelle. Welcome, everybody. I'll reintroduce myself. My name is Noel Nojola. I'll be here to help you through the evening, help the conversation along really time keep and make sure that we all get a chance to speak. Before we get into further discussion, just wanted to do a very quick announcement to see if there's any translation needed. Buenas tardes a todos los que están aquí presentes. Tan solo quería dar una pausa para ver si alguien requiere algo de introducción. Alguien requiere traducción al español por favor indiquenos por el chat o por cualquier otra manera que sea posible. Es necesario que alguien necesite interpretación. I see the lache. Do you need interpreter? Did you have a question? I was just wondering if you could do close caption. Oh, good question, Michelle. Do we have the close caption? You should be able to turn that on. Yes, let me turn it on. Okay. It looks like we don't have anyone that we can assign. It looks like we don't have that service set up for this webinar. Thank you. Thank you for that. We will have it in the next one, though. And just a quick note, the YouTube stream does have close captioning on there. YouTube does a close captioning if that's helpful at all. Great. Thank you. Okay. So getting through the logistics here, now let's go ahead and move on. The agenda for today, we have approximately two hours. A little bit less than that to get through the evening. We did the call to order roll call, giving you a bit of a welcome, did a little logistics. We do want to update you on the team updates, what we've been at work since we met last month, and just provide some reports, some updates on what's going on. The main scheduled item here is to continue the discussion that we started really last year, in 2021, December, and continue that discussion, because I think it really merited that need. We want to go through the alternatives. You've all had, I think, a chance to review. We've made some changes, and we want to go through some of that. So review the approach, the alternatives workbook, get into a little bit, again, of the equity priority analysis that we started to talk about, and then talk about the community engagement event set. Throughout all this, we're going to devote most of the scheduled time to discussion. I think that was the impetus. We heard loud and clear the feedback from you all, and we want to be able to accommodate that and make sure that your thoughts are recorded. And then finally, hopefully, we will be able to finish by 8 p.m. Sound good? All right. So let's keep going. The project team, again, you all have met most of us, city staff, and the MIG and PlaceWorks team will be here. So I don't think that we need to go over this. The CAC members, you've all announced your participation, announced your presence here, so we're clear on that. Again, I want to just remind everybody or whoever might not yet be, I think just make sure you put your first name and your last name just so that we're clear, and the record is clear on who's speaking, and also just it helps us to be able to call on you. Also, if you can, as a courtesy, we also appreciate if you do come on camera when you're speaking. All right. Thank you. Finally, just your role. I think just as a reminder, your role is crucial to this process. We want to thank you for being a part of it. You are really our liaisons to the community, to the community engagement, and so we want to be able to have you really provide us with that guidance and the input that we need to be sure to have the voice of the community heard out in the general plan process. So thank you so much again for participating and having said enough. I think on behalf of the city, on behalf of everyone, really appreciate your time and commitment to the city. Okay. So the goals for today's discussion is just get through it really quickly and get into the presentation. We just want to hear your feedback. We want to hear your thoughts, your reactions, and your feedback to the alternatives. So again, this is just one piece of it. We will have several iterations. We've had earlier discussions on it, so we're going to continue that. We do have a series of questions. We do want to be able to have a back and forth. So if you can ask us questions, formulate your thoughts, and just really what we're really after here is a discussion with you. If we can answer the questions, then we will, and if not, we will note them and investigate them or at least research them for you for future discussion. Finally, we are about to get into our next set of community engagement activities, and we do need your help. We want to just get your thoughts and feedback on what that process looks like, and then finally, what your role in that process for community engagement might be. I want you to start thinking about, well, just what that's going to look like, what engagement opportunities might be available, how you might be able to fit into those, what help you need, how the materials might help you to be able to get out into the community if you feel comfortable. So we do want to be able to confirm that you're clear on this and that you're part of this kind of ground truthing, if you will, of the process for us. All right, so I'll pass it over to Dan to give us some project team updates and reports. That was good. Thanks, Noe, and good evening, everyone. Dan Amson with MIG, like Noe, one of the project consultants working with staff on the general plan update that we know as Center of the Ford. So a few things on just where we are in the process and some updates from our last discussion. We are really in the midst of the alternative phase of this general plan project. And really what that means is, based on the community's vision, analysis, conditions, information, other discussions and surveys we've had over about the last 12 months or so, we're really starting to get into some policy choices around how and where the city can grow. And as we discussed, it will last me in about a month ago and I'll talk a little bit more about in the short presentation, really thinking about what some of the benefits or tradeoffs are around some of these growth alternatives. But really important for tonight's discussion is we're going to be launching into the alternatives community discussion here pretty soon in February and March. And this is envisioned as a very robust process of a lot of opportunities for community discussions and feedback and reactions to the alternatives, which will help inform the remaining part of the general plan update process. Another update actually since our last meeting and really kind of earlier this month, the team has made a lot of updates to the project website as well. So CSC members having visited in a while or if community members are watching us tonight haven't visited in a while, I do encourage you to take a look. We have some new videos, some new information, some engagement metrics, and other documents and materials. And we're going to continue to update the website throughout the project. But there's a new feature that's a contact us button where anyone in the community can write comments or questions to the project team. So trying to have this as interactive as we can, but just another portal or method for the community to stay engaged. So one of the things I wanted to talk about just kind of briefly but falling off from our discussion at the last CSC meeting is really this alternatives process. So this is a simplified graphic just showing from the top to the bottom the overall schedule for Santa Rosa Forward or the general plan update process. So we start this process back in the summer of 2020. And through the fall of 2020, we really discussed how best to engage the community, obviously the pandemic was starting. So we had a lot of discussions around strategies and different methods for engagement in the community, but also a robust existing conditions analysis was prepared, a visioning engagement event set that had many meetings over 25 meetings, 10 community workshops, we're now in this alternatives phase, essentially land use and circulation alternatives. And one of the things responding really to CSC member feedback is we created sort of this more simplified graphic on some of the milestones. But where we are right now is sort of with this alternatives workbook, which is presenting the alternatives, presenting some of the findings or the analysis around it. And as Noah and I mentioned, the next step is to really get into this community discussions. And that's why we really want to get ideas and feedback from CSC members on the workbook and the alternatives themselves so we can really launch into this robust round of engagement here over the next few months. So the goals for this round of engagement, and I'll go this pretty briefly because we talked about the last meeting, but we want to reach a lot of the community and really get out as much as we can digitally and hopefully physically as well as assuming we can do it with COVID protocols in place. But have a range of different in-person and virtual events. Some people are fine engaging through surveys online, others really need to be engaged one-on-one where they meet or shop. So we want to have a lot of flexibility in how we are going out and reaching the community. And also, is it a short event? Is it a long event? Is it a quick survey? Is it a new discussion? But the goal is to solicit community feedback on these alternatives and really get the community starting to think about changes or different options for the city over the next five, 10, 20 years when we go forward. And this really comes down to policy choices, you know, how and where to grow and why. And so that's the discussion we really want to launch off with all of you, but also the community as well, leading to informing a preferred alternative. So as we get hopefully a wealth of community feedback and reactions over the next few months, another engagement event set, probably over the summer, to then further refine a preferred alternative before we get into actual policies and drafts in a general plan. So one of the things we talked about a little bit last time is sort of the CAC members roles or activities during this engagement event set. So one level, we really want your help to get the word out. As a liaison to the community, the city and the project team are going to do a lot of notifications and announcements, but we can provide materials, email blast language or others. Collaterally, you can use to really help get the word out as we launch in this engagement event set. Also attending meetings, attending the workshops, pop-ups, equity priority area meetings, holding meetings, using the toolkit. So we're in the process of producing the survey tool and the toolkit, but we're going to have training sessions next month with CAC members to really have an opportunity for you all to help us reach out to the community. And you all be doing it alone. We're here to support and to help as well. But again, that liaison role is getting the word out, but also helping us here and gather input from the community and also participate as well. You're all residents and community members. So we want all the CAC members really to participate in this process. So real quick, and again, this is building on our discussion from the last CAC meeting, but we got a lot of feedback, a lot of questions, a lot of comments, some concerns as well. And we've spent the last four or five weeks or so as a team going back and revising the alternatives workbook based on a lot of the comments that we heard from all of you at the last meeting. And we have a new workbook that is published that includes some more information or some clarifications about the alternatives. I want to just really highlight the sort of major changes to the workbook in particular, an update and simplified project schedule, which actually I just showed, but really important feedback of just trying to be, or trying to convey more simply what the project schedule is, but also where we are in the process and how community comments on the alternatives are going to help inform the Santa Rosa Forward process. We also added in more existing conditions information and really more of the findings that came out of that work from last summer, last fall, which really are sort of a foundational piece, one of the foundational pieces of the alternatives themselves. So we want to have that information there to hopefully explain and make it clear on how the alternatives were formed. We talked quite a bit in our last session about equity and ways of addressing equity, but also conveying current inequities as well. So we included a new equity in Santa Rosa section up front. It's essentially more detailed information on existing conditions, but specifically around equity and equity priority communities and populations. We added in the full vision statement. I think the last draft we had just sort of the quick summary, but felt to be good to really highlight the full community vision statement in the alternatives workbook itself. And then we added more information and more detail on how the alternatives were developed and some of the metrics. There's a few numbers, but also just some of the qualitative analysis and other factors that went into the development of the alternatives. And a new equity alternative section. So this is really looking at a comparative analysis of how each alternative relates to equity, but also taking it a bit further. I think we had as part of our discussion the last session, equity is more than just these land uses or where things go. It's really policies around focusing improvements for changes also. So we want to include that as a key piece. And then throughout the workbook, there were some prompting questions. And we made some changes, made some clarifications, and really tried to sort of frame better maybe the purpose of the alternatives as we go through this. And then lastly, on the last page of the workbook, additional information. So as community members are reading the workbook, if they want information, additional detail, technical appendices, there's no links to all that at the end. So again, thanks for the feedback at our last session. I think this has really helped to create a document that should make it much easier for community members to understand sort of how the alternatives were phrased. And also the type of feedback that would be helpful and reactions and methods for reacting to the alternatives, which again is no way to mention that's a key role of the CAC is really helping us take this message out to the community as well. So for the alternatives themselves, they are still largely the same from the last round, because they're building off of the same assumptions. We just added more information about them. But central corridors, I'll go through this pretty quick because we want to get into discussion, but the central corridors is really focusing new housing growth and new changes in job growth around downtown or the major corridors that have a lot of transit connections, transit activities. Main streets is looking more creating these nodes or pockets of shopping or neighborhood commercial centers. So there's a lot more services and commercial closer walking distance to most neighborhoods. And alternative three really looks at what are all the possibilities for housing on available areas and sites. And again, the sort of the constraint or the thing that binds all these together is looking at similar housing growth in all three alternatives is really about policy options around where that growth can go or change. And another thing we want to just report back on a little bit as well, some updates on the equity priority populations that are both part of the report, but also analysis is going on right now. And I'll pass it to Beatrice real quick. I think she has a few updates on that process. Thank you, Dan. Thanks for providing us input through the survey that we submitted. We heard loud and clear that you want us to include different groups and different layers of information in Santa Rosa's equity priority populations. What I want to tell you is that this is a work in progress. And we're trying to get the data sets to be able to map all these populations that you asked us to include. It's not as easy specifically when it comes to people with mental health diseases or issues. That is a really hard data set to track in geographical systems. But we heard the part about affordable housing and we're working on that. And we heard the part about homeless encampments and shelters. And we are already working on that. So we will have those sets of information updated as soon as we are able to figure out what's the best way. In terms of the homeless encampments, we know this is a type of population that usually changes locations pretty quick. So we're trying to figure out how we can coordinate to have the most updated data set. And that's the only, those are the only updates that we have. And that's a map that we showed last time. We just wanted to bring it back to your view so you can remember what we were talking about. And I see Yvette's hand up but I don't know if we're just about to start the public comment Dan about this. I will leave this to you before I give Yvette the word because I know we have a different system today going on. Thank you Beatriz and Yvette and Annette as well. This actually gets to our pause point. So it's a perfect timing. I wanted to just do a quick update presentation. I did want to just add one thing I forgot to mention earlier. We're working with Beatriz to actually get a webpage up and running on the website dedicated just to equity and the equity priority communities. So we're working on content right now but that's another website update that is going to take place here over the next few weeks or so. So we'll pour back on that during the XCAC meeting. So with that I do want to pass it back to Noe. We want to get the discussion going and we have folks here to answer questions and take notes and with that I'll pass Noe. Perfect. Thank you Dan. Thank you Beatriz for that very quick update. I know you all have questions. We want to go first through a round robin. Just go through make sure that everybody gets a chance. Get your feedback and then we can get into a discussion. So I'm going to just go down the line as how I see a couple of people raise their hands. So I see Annette. Annette go ahead please. Thank you. I was going to ask if you could show the graphics a little bit larger because it's hard to read any of the print on them. Which graphics specifically Annette? We were showing the three alternatives. Okay. So we can show those certainly. Yvette go ahead and we'll hold on. Annette did you have anything else? Anything on non-logistical things that you want to as we go to this point? Okay. Thank you. Yvette go ahead please. My question was about the data sets. We have a couple of data sets that's going to be launched this week on Wednesday and so I wanted to find out which is the portrait of Sonoma and then we also have the scorecard. So for those data sets is that something that's going to be used in the equity portion of this because there is a lot of key data in those data sets that would help with this process. Great. Thank you. And I think Beth Thrice is nodding her head.  Thank you Noe. Is this related to Sonoma portrait Yvette? Yes. That and then the scorecard is supposed to be coming out. So I don't know the exact date for that. Yeah. We'll definitely include information from Sonoma's portrait and thank you for bringing it out but thank you Yvette. Did you have any suggestions Yvette? Anything that you wanted to propose? No. I think once that data set comes out that might be something we can bring back to the group for it and we'll just take a look if they're not going to that launch and then oh I forgot there's one more the youth truth survey is another one that's going to be coming out soon. Which one is the other one Yvette? Youth truth survey? Youth truth. Okay. Great. Thank you for that. That's very helpful. Any other comments on the presentation on the updated materials Yvette? No. I just like the adjustments that you made to the workbook and if I have any other concerns I know how to get a hold of you. Okay. Right on. Thank you so much. Let's see going down the line Ryan and I'm just going down the Brady Bunch line here okay folks so I'm not even going in any order. Ryan go ahead please. Hey I appreciate the team and staff taking all the input last being. One thing I think I'm still kind of wrestling with is what I'm thinking about these alternatives is understanding a lot of the trade-offs you know I think there's there's certainly a good graphic on that thinking about like the hazards and understanding the different implications different alternatives but I imagine you know there's different economic trade-offs as well I know you know one of the assumptions is there's the same housing and same commercial activity between different ones but my guess is that different different alternatives probably are going to attract you know different levels of that or there's going to be different risks from an economic perspective so so getting some insight into some of the other potential trade-offs between the different alternatives would be really helpful and engaging the community. Ryan what what trade-offs are you thinking when you're saying trade-offs what would that be is it the type of business is it where it's located what what are you thinking in terms of trade-offs help us understand that a little bit please. I'm thinking like I think it was you know it was written I think in one of the descriptions like for example the more downtown concentrate alternative is more likely to attract like larger you know corporate type activities versus you know more distributed ones so kind of making some some more of the kind of thinking around that more visible to understand what what the trade-offs are would be helpful that's just one example. Sure more of the connections more of the implications of each of each type of scenario if you will. Dan do you have any thoughts or Andrea go ahead Andrew sorry. I can jump in on that it's Charlie from PlaceWorks you know part of the complication Ryan is COVID and what what are brick and mortar patterns going to be like after COVID so you know the data we have is pre-COVID and it basically says if you load things up downtown or on some port doors you're going to be less likely to get those goods and services in your neighborhood but I'm not sure that that's quite as true anymore as it was because people's comfort level about going out tends to favor kind of more local closer things in a kind of a cool way like think about the world before the car in the 1910s where everything was you know walkable or very close by but I think in general the trade I think I think the way to characterize the economic trade-offs are really about the travel patterns so you know industrial big box those kinds of opportunities those are always going to be near the freeway kind of in the places where we expect them now the real difference economically between the corridor focused say on one end and the distributed housing on the other is what opportunity kind of the mom and pop scale the brick and mortar you know the local store is going to have and the one complication in all three of those is how strong the retail market can remain for the formula retailers who aren't really kind of the vilified big box but who provide services in neighborhoods I'm thinking like Barnes and Noble in a small scale you know shopping center so I think there's no real set answer but the real difference is what do you need on a daily basis what kinds of goods and services how far do you are you willing to do you want to go and get them and then what kind of scale will you be dealing with when you get there so we all have our patterns of corner grocery for some things bigger grocery store for others for some of us that could be the same distance for others it could be walking versus driving but I think the real unknown here is for things that aren't daily needed goods and services like you know like books or like kitchenware or whatever what's that pattern going to be like and economists are a little bit shy right now trying to say how that's going to work out and the other side of that too is accommodations right so everyone wants a vacation right now needs a vacation but how comfortable are we all thinking about you know where we're going to stay and Santa Rosa is a destination it shouldn't be forgotten there are tourists who want to come to Santa Rosa absolutely so where hotel units bed and breakfast go those kinds of things are just somewhat unknown I think that I think the safe way to kind of characterize this to help you make a decision about what you want to see in the future is think of yourselves and hopefully now coming out of COVID what do you think is the right thing like what do you think is the right fit for Santa Rosa do you think it's okay to kind of concentrate things in one area or not you think they should be more distributed let kind of let that guide about how you travel and how you want to experience the situation and transportation through town kind of guide you for the economics because economics is going to follow that it's probably not going to lead it like it used to or at least in the same ways thanks Charlie so Ryan you're you're really getting at the suggestion of of increasing a little bit more of that impact a little bit more analysis is that right you were trying to for the community engagement right and you know I offer that example on the commercial side but you know I think on the residential side as well as you know is there a certain amount is there a certain type of you know framework that attracts more development versus others that developers are asking for you know if we made everything single family housing that might not what we want from like a sustainability and other you know other metrics but is that going to be what is needed to really drive developers to start building housing units you know those sorts of things I think are hard for me to to grasp for everyone kind of making decisions absolutely Andrea do you have a follow-up to this I was just going to suggest for one bit of additional detail and I don't think unfortunately this touches on your housing example so much as economics but if you do look at the technical appendix starting on page four of that document that's linked from the project page you can find a little bit more detail that teases out what is bulleted in summarized in the alternative workbooks that might help to get out a little bit more what you're looking for so your your note though Ryan about having this discussion particularly when we go out into the community with folks that don't get to read the appendix is going to be critical right I think that's what you're really getting thank you for that Ryan um so Melanie go ahead please Melanie airs Aillers sorry Aillers Aillers I knew it um I so I missed our last meeting so I'm definitely getting caught up and I'm really loving the discussion that seems that you guys had last time and I think what I'm really thinking about uh with thinking about these alternatives is sort of balancing what we talked about at meeting two the last meeting I was able to go to and sort of balancing you know that vision of what we want for the city with these alternatives and I know that the priorities that I'm thinking about are you know how to achieve equity and also achieve that vibrant city center that we all talked about and and more walking and biking options um but I think like Carly and Ryan have brought up like the reality is too that our city is spread out right now and so how do we sort of balance between each of these alternatives so that everyone in the community kind of gets what they need great thank you for that and I'll pose a question to to the project team here just to clarify when we get into when we say preferred alternative we're not saying like oh it's either going to be a b or c or is it going to be a sort of a sort of a merger of the two I don't know Dan Andrea do you have a give us a little bit of guidance so what what what's likely to result here yeah I think we're going to end up with something that looks like a combination of each of these three and some additional from all corners based on the input that we receive from folks so these are really just starting points to get ideas flowing and give you a sense of what is possible with these initial parameters and all of them are flexible starting with that basic assumption about the 36 000 housing units that in and of itself is flexible and that impacts everything else so you know this is all going to be based on ultimately what we hear from you all great thank you for that uh let's see I had a Melanie okay Annie Annie Barber go ahead please I'm just kind of um wondering so in the central area how much growth can we absorb and um and so part of what she and kind of answer some of that is that it would be a combination but are we talking about the actual area kind of um being redeveloped in some way so accommodate that match housing and and and business right so the question I think and you're breaking up a little bit there Annie but I think we got it how much how much can we absorb in the central core right in the downtown area uh and and I think you're getting are you getting out at one of the first alternate the alternative one yeah is that is that it okay go ahead Andrea uh yeah so great question based on what is accommodated in the existing general plan based on the current land use today about half of that 36 000 of those 36 000 units would go to the central corridors project focus area and the remainder of those 36 000 units would go across the rest of the city um in in different patterns so and that's what we're looking at for the focus area for alternatives to also the approximately half of that going to the focus area and the rest distributed across the rest of the city um both of these would be likely to have much of the economic development follow the focus areas okay and how would how would that affect um I was just reading in the paper where they may force us to to build more more housing than what we have scheduled to do or the or what we're we're looking at right now I can reply to that I think you're talking about the press democrat article on housing I think it was in yesterday's paper yes catch us up to speed Amy please what what is what is the article say well the the article was pretty much providing a synopsis of the um regional housing needs allocation and just how the the state and the regional governments are giving numbers to our our local jurisdictions on how much we have to plan for and so that is um a pretty complex process that just happened over the last year and it's defining how many units and which type of housing we need to plan for in the next eight-year cycle but it only asks us to um plan for them so that is part of our general plan update and our housing element update and um Andrea can get into a lot of specifics about how we get into that but and that might actually be a topic for another meeting because it's pretty meaty um but the newspaper article was talking about some of the other smaller cities and their challenges with it um and Santa Rosa we actually are in a pretty good situation um because of our recent efforts with the downtown specific plan and various other initiatives that we've been working on um but that is only for an eight-year cycle that we're being asked to plan for so the housing element is on a more regular cycle the general plan that we're looking at is going to 2050 so it'll include multiple cycles so that's helpful so Amy the the rena the regional housing needs assessment that is what the state asks us to basically plan for it doesn't say build it and that's why a lot of cities actually do right but um so but in this case we're in good shape to meet that goal is that is that what you're confirming Amy? Yes because we're looking at just the near future for that goal but in but we are also looking at a larger number for our general plan as well. And then one more quick caveat to that Annie is I think what I think the major um piece that Andrea mentioned is about the half and half right so if if our current regional housing needs allocation for this cycle is carried forward for each of the eight-year cycles during this general plan period and that's about 6 000 over four cycles that's about 24 000 housing units so if that's what gets built gets built and you look at something like concentrating at downtown what would get built downtown would be half of that it would be the 12 of the 24 so it's really it's more about the relative placement or distribution of the housing than the actual than the total number but the total number is also dependent on market demand which is what Noe was mentioning so typically in California cities will get these regional housing needs allocations and Noe was but he's a very polite guy he said it's what they state requests but they they quote require it it's required but as both Noe and Amy said it's required to be planned for the city can't make people come in and build those units it has there has to be a market there also so we can do all the planning for all the housing we want to concentrate it wherever you guys think it's appropriate the community thinks is appropriate that's not a guarantee that it will all get built thank you that makes it pretty clear thank you thank you for your question Annie I think that's a very good question though that just understanding I do I just want to take a very quick break and encourage everybody to please come on your video to turn on your video and it's only because we are on YouTube where YouTube stars here so we do want to make sure that everybody sees who is present and of course the diversity of the group here Dan go ahead and then we'll get into some more questions Noe just one quick question oh I'm sorry I didn't see you there go ahead please One interruption Jim was raising his hand and he was not given like the opportunity to talk and I'm sorry because I think Noe left but I just wanted to bring it up I'm sorry I think I apologize for that okay I should let's see if he comes back we'll bring him on very quickly okay Dan go ahead thank you beach you mentioned that yeah we'll wrap back now Jim well I just wanted to add to several things we talked about but the housing in particular and and just this concept of we're planning for where housing can grow or where business and industry will grow this is a planning exercise and so the city is not going to directly build all this housing maybe work with some formal housing partners but largely this will be private entities creating housing or create new jobs and growth but the importance of this alternative process or really how we I think we should be looking at it is if there's areas in the community to focus housing or to focus jobs or to focus other types of growth the associated infrastructure pipes water drainage public facilities and services police and fire safety concerns and equity as well those are all related to the sort of the spatial arrangement and so the workbook has some these prompting questions on you know how to grow where to travel but we really want to jump into this discussion with you all in the community as well is thinking about if we grow in certain ways then what needs to happen as far as you know creating a an inclusive but a whole city essentially as well so great discussion but I just want to sort of piggyback what Charlie was saying is this is very much a planning exercise but all these future changes to zoning or specific plans will need to ultimately be consistent with this plan that's created through this process okay thank you for that Dan and just to clarify the specific plans are why are those important in terms of actually getting things built that is a great question so specific plans and this is like the downtown and stationary specific plans or other ones they are implementation documents of the city's general plan they include new zoning design guidelines and standards but also other incentives for certain areas on how to encourage different businesses or streetscape improvements park improvements those kinds of things so the specific plans get into greater detail on how different change will occur where the general plan says that framework in place that policy and vision in place great thank you Dan let's get to another question or a follow-up Annette did you have a question here go ahead please I think Jen close who hasn't she had her hand raised she could ask her first you'll defer okay go ahead Jen I don't see her there she goes hi hi Jen go ahead yeah two things and I do appreciate some additional work on this but I two things is number one we talked I think Yvette talked about reports coming out that were relevant count the portrait and and also the youth truth and I would be remiss to not mention that if you haven't seen the report that we released last week that that's the state of housing in Sonoma County that's comprehensive look at state of housing Sonoma County I would I'd suggest that you do and you can find on our website from generation housing that work great and so that and then and the other thing is that the one thing that well one of the things that I feel like needs a whole lot more attention really is the equity comparison um yeah I think we need a real deep dive into that and that's and uh yeah that's all what what are you suggesting I mean give us give us a little bit more please well I mean I don't think you know with respect to if we're talking about a definition of equity and what that means or what we mean by equity just sort of one statement on each alternative that it reduces costs for residents just sort of in general um to access daily needs it's just like that that's just one example that doesn't really get to equity like right now we have we have inequities that we need to address many different kinds of inequities and so obviously there's going to be many different impacts of the different ways in which we distribute housing and investment and they're going to impact people in different ways different people in different ways that's the whole you know that's the whole crux of the equity discussion and so we can't I don't think we can talk about equity without saying which residents um and also without having a little bit more detail to that discussion so that's that I think is is probably one of the most important discussions we can have um and should be you know a deep dive into that so so it's similar to what ryan suggesting from the economic standpoint um in terms of what the the sort of impacts on development might be on economic development you're suggesting the same type of sort of help us make the leap into the impacts on specific residents or specific areas absolutely and and and you know to the like for example right now our city is significantly uh segregated by uh by race and ethnicity and and it also our schools are similarly because of our housing segregation are also um similarly segregated and that has an impact on that system um so you know how do these difference that's just one example how do these different kinds of alternatives impact that sure and from from your oh sorry go ahead go ahead charlie yeah so one thing I was gonna say and you know equity is a very very difficult issue um in many ways and and I think the important one important thing to think about is the map and development and the style of development is just one piece of that with whatever the so-called preferred alternative is that that informs the general plan turns out to be policies and actions will be the key right so you could end up with you know a more concentrated or more distributed pattern or some combination that we haven't even thought of yet that's going to come from our discussions here and with the community but in any scenario we're going to have to be looking very carefully at what what what makes equity and one of the things that really hit me hard is when we were on a tour of the community we went to the parks in roseland that's I really had thought before this discussion was really well designed it was a good investment in a great place and we've heard from the community there's a lot of things wrong with it not enough shade not the features in the right place etc and so going back to some of the initial conversations and discussions we had about where there are sidewalk gaps um you know like around roseland high school there's there's not sidewalks and there's plenty of space to walk in the street but who wants to walk there and it's not just a health issue because there's no shade and it'll rain on you or this it's too hot it's more like why hasn't that investment been made and so I think no matter what the map looks like and no matter what zoning rules look like the policies and actions in the plan have to be prioritized for equity and so as we think about what the landscape looks like physically in Santa Rosa and that might change between these discussions and what becomes the so-called preferred alternative we cannot lose sight of no matter what it is we're still going to have these issues we have to deal with and some of the near term like you know zero to two-year priorities when this plan is adopted regardless of any specific plan or any implementation have to be here's how we're going to deal with making people giving people opportunities to be included to gather in places where they haven't been able to to make sure every neighborhood has those places to make sure every neighborhood has access to the same level and quality of services education parks water and sewer etc and so that just permeates everything we're doing and so I would challenge us as we think about what we want the community to look and feel like from a pedestrian or wheelchair or bus riding standpoint that's only one piece of it the bigger piece probably is how do we make sure that people don't get left behind and end up in a place where even if the neighborhood gentrifies or beautifies you know around them they still aren't getting the services they need so I I think let's think about the you know we're jumping ahead a little bit but that's okay I think but let's think about what the policies are you know it shall be the policy of the city to focus on these things and then what's the action how do we make that happen how do we make sure people are included and served well thank you for that Charlie Jen anything else no that's it and and I really appreciate those comments and that's absolutely right and I think my point is that that we have to be thinking about equity sort of at every stage at every level and be making and be making informed decisions and and we all need to know like what the different potential impacts can be and and what we're what the starting point is with respect to equity and how the you know how the how the current state of the city has impacted and and driven some of the inequities so that we can instruct reverse so but I really those I really appreciate those comments and thank you noted thank you so much all right moving back let's Annette did you have another question I have two questions I'm wondering if in the research you guys have done have you seen any of these specific alternatives working well somewhere and for what reasons and the second question relates to equity like I'm looking at the alternative number three where there's a things are alternative one where everything's downtown that means that people are homeless or whatnot are going to have to be located downtown because they're not going to be able to get to resources if they're elsewhere and that isn't equitable if everybody is in one place so I think we need and have an opportunity here to look at options to spread out like homeless camps throughout the city not just in one neighborhood and we need to be fair to everybody in the city not just the rich people and I think this is our opportunity to be able to think about that and make placements for people in every neighborhood regardless of the nimby attitude right so so the first question the second one was a comment I think the first question was really about have we seen this type of alternative have we seen these types of alternatives I don't know that we we can say specifically the same way but Dan um you've done a million general plans by this point well it's a good question and uh you know there there's not a a bias one way or the other I mean with my perspective as a consultant but I will say each of these alternatives is based on realistic factors so it's based on the community's vision but also some of these growth numbers but also physical constraints um you know community needs areas that have vacant or available land as well so they are ground truth each is realistic but communities throughout california grow in many different ways so being realistic or achievable is one thing growing towards the vision of where you want the city to go or become is a different thing um so I won't pick or choose any of the three but I will say uh you know they are based in in realistic assumptions of what could happen over the next five 10 20 years to pay on policy choices right thanks for that answer Dan all right moving on let's see uh we're at seven o'clock we have still an hour so we have plenty of time to converse but I do want to make sure that we get through you know everybody has a chance to speak so Dela Shay go ahead please um recently I went to Puerto Rico and one of the things that I noticed in Puerto Rico is that all the signs well I'm gonna say all of them but a very big percentage of the signs was geared to so many people meaning yeah it says para it says stop but it also says it in french and it says it in all kind of different languages the way we're signed were for indifferent even some of them were even in sign language and it just seems like when I notice about Santa Rosa is that it's not very welcoming and it's because we are so segregated and those were like the perfect word to use um and it's not welcoming I mean I was sitting in downtown square and I didn't see welcome anywhere you know it just didn't feel it doesn't feel welcoming and then if you do see a welcoming sign it's not welcome to everybody there's not much diversity and so we have such a big population of Hispanic people you know so I can see Saint Ola and hello yeah many those but there's there's more there's way more different um people and so it just would be nice if there was more if we work more on welcoming and you know focus a little bit more on way wayward signs um I've been here forever and sometimes I even find myself a little lost so even just even a bit more direction as to we are a tourist city people are coming more and more and more to Santa Rosa to go to like to the wineries and whatnot and it's just like if you're not from Santa Rosa and you don't know Santa Rosa you're looking pretty lost pretty quick in Spanish in little Santa Rosa because there's not a lot of not a lot of signage so that was one of the things I noticed and the next thing is just today in the last two and a half years that I've been sitting as president at SRJC today marks the 11th team that has had to go way out of state to get some mental health services and um I mean I'm talking about way to Wisconsin because there isn't any mental health services for teams in this area and um teams are very very affected with mental health now now more than ever especially with the COVID and being remote and different things and so um working more on mental health for everyone but specializing on them gaps that we're dropping the ball with with our with our you know with our citizens here and then uh last but not least so you get more people a chance to speak is um a black community center it's uh really sad for me to drive around town and see all these different community centers I understand that we are less than two percent but we're here and and we deserve to be not just even heard but seen and and and uplifted so I'm gonna grow those things that you guys thank you for your comments a little bit I think uh you probably went to San Juan beautiful city in Puerto Rico and um you know I understand what you're saying the the kind of feeling of being welcoming of you know visitors I think for for the purpose of the general plan it might imply something about what what our downtown looks like right that's the connection I'm making with mental health I think somebody alluded to that as well um in terms of where it's located uh I think that might have been a net of where it's located if it's far out or if it's you know in the downtown core how are people going to access uh services really so I think your your discussion I'm trying to tie it to to the spatial issue here that we're we're trying to deal with Annie I see that your hand is up um but I do want to make sure to get to other people that haven't spoken yet if you don't mind Beatriz did you have a response please yeah I had a response to Delish's comment because there there is a railroad square wayfinding project happening right now in downtown just to let her know that actually translation Delish is is is one of the things that we are requiring but also many other things related to ADA so people can actually pass through the spaces that are provided with the signage and there is actually a board that is talking about this this topics together with the businesses and we're also talking about providing grants to BIPOC businesses that can't afford get their own signage because it's not only for wayfinding but also to help businesses get their own guide tourists to get to where where they are so it's both CDN businesses too this was just an interruption to to respond to Delish's but I think this should also be a more welcoming situation for the whole CDN I totally agree with you and thanks for bringing that up thank you Andrea go ahead please do you have a response to that yeah I just wanted to share that one of the ideas that came up when we were going through the initial development of the alternatives was that this alternative too that has the distributed nodes where you have different community centers throughout each neighborhood that that would be really conducive to supporting different so all of those different neighborhoods having their own community center community space and so in response to your your last idea there that that might be an alternative for at least that reason that might appeal to you more that having that kind of distribution of different concentrations would support those kinds of gathering spaces both for the immediate communities that are living right around those areas in addition to community spaces for specific segments of the population not necessarily geographic based great thank you for that I think Andrea your your comment made me think that both Ryan and Jen's comments about making the linkages more kind of clear right like what you just did you made a very clear linkage this this alternative too that I think you mentioned is going to facilitate more of that kind of discussion about community based you know neighborhood centers for instance so I just I see that trend kind of emerging if you will let's see let's get to the next person here Joe go ahead please you're on mute yeah hi um hi Joe I was just wondering in the second and third alternatives um is downtown development and near near downtown um new housing uh is it being limited by height limits um you know uh I'm just trying to understand you know the alternatives workbook you know states that every alternative will generate the same amount of housing uh which um you know I I kind of I don't know it's it it seems you know I understand that in theory housing could be you know if every every home in the city has an accessory dwelling unit you know maybe then you could get the same amount of housing as if you know you had a a lot of new downtown development but I'm I'm just you know I I guess I find that a little bit um uh I don't know it it seems um you know for me the amount of new housing that's generated is one of the most important things you know obviously we have a huge need for more housing and um you know it's that's just I guess kind of confused me that each one generates the same amount of new housing and I I um yeah I guess I'm wondering yeah if in the in the second and third alternatives is there you know are there is there not uh you know are there height limits downtown what's what's the kind of the the actual policy implications of that what are the development parameters around downtown that limit uh really growth I mean can we can we you know can we really explode that and and get high rises more so than I think currently allowed Andrea go ahead please yeah so uh that's a great question the the city did just spend a lot of effort and got a lot of community input on this downtown station area specific plan that was recently completed and each of these alternatives would still work to implement that so a lot of the growth that happened in the downtown in all three of the alternatives stems from what was planned for in that recently approved plan so it's not like we would be drastically limiting what's happening in the downtown um there are really more subtle shifts that happen um so even in alternative three you know we highlight those um opportunity sites so that's where I think it's approximately 10 percent of the new development in that alternative would happen um in these scattered sites and those are essentially um parcels that are currently underutilized and so they have the capacity for some extra growth but you're still going to see um development in the downtown I do want to clarify that um these aren't um saying that the same number of units would be generated um the idea is that in each of these three alternatives the same number of units are accommodated by the land uses so kind of similar to this idea with the regional housing plan and what the housing element has to do these are units that we are planning for it doesn't mean that those will actually be developed and so you know kind of back to Ryan's first question about well what are the differences with these alternatives um is there more likelihood that development is going to occur in one scenario versus another yeah you say the same amount of housing units are planned for um but probably um you may see that it's more likely that development would occur in alternative probably one and and two to the the fuller extent because you start to see housing being pretty expensive to develop when you get to um like higher rises anything above I think it's three or four stories is going to require different development requirements it becomes very expensive to build those higher rise units and so it's more feasible that you'd be able to develop probably in that alternative two scenario versus alternative one so yeah there are lots of good questions it's it's all kind of dependent but um yeah I hope that at least answered your question about the the distinctions there between the three as far as downtown is concerned great thank you for that let me go back and I know uh I said I'd come back to Annie so Annie did you have another follow-up question here I did and actually it's kind of for for Jen so um I was saying about making each area equitable okay I just wanted to see if Jen had another viewpoint on that if she's coming from a different angle I understand that she's you know from generation housing and if there's something else that we should be looking at in that in that capacity Jen do you want to take a crack at that response oh you're here sorry I'm on my iPad and it's yep I know how it goes not that easy um well I don't know I don't have I mean my position is that we should be just you know in keeping with with our vision and that we should be trying to advance our equity goals that we should be trying to improve you know equity in our city and that's and which is the same generation housing so that what I'm what I was saying and maybe my comment was misunderstood was that that's a conversation we need to be having as we're looking at these alternatives or what are the impacts um with respect to um trying to um resolve existing inequities and and create a more equitable community so that's that that's the position and that and that whether we're talking about homelessness and where we located me where we're talking about desegregation whether we're talking about creating more transit options for folks who might not be able to afford a car you know whatever we're talking about those are it's a different conversation um you know in uh each different kind of in each different context so that that helps the answer but um I had a uh or I could I have a follow-up question to what Joel let me let me come back to you Jen um I think your your point is clear though as far as uh applying the the equity lens really what we try to say now is equity lacy right it's done it's forever we're always leaking about it we're always looking at it um uh Dela Shay go ahead please um once again in my position in dealing with students one of the good things that um we have is of course free buses the students are able to take free buses they can go to edluma they can go learn take their free buses but these same students graduate and move on and then lose that resource and I talk to many people in the community um even homeless people who are just bad luck right now trying to get back on their feet some things and so I think providing free free buses for all of Sonoma County for everyone I know that we have some funds coming in from different areas like PG&E and whatnot and I think funding should go to that transportation and provide free buses for the whole county and I think that's a big one and I think that's up a lot of people get on their feet that would be a great goal thank you for that Dela Shay uh go ahead Jen you were you I'm trying to recall the the sequence go ahead Jen thanks and I will you know in terms like the whole equity lens thing is I actually we talk about equity lenses all the time we're having for years and I think it's it's like time that we shift both that conversation and and our um and our goals there is that we should be just at every conversation we should be saying well how can we do equity here right how we how could what's what's the action we can take not just let's look at it from an equity lens but but we do have to start with looking at it from the equity lens but I think we need to to be a little more action oriented but my follow-up question um for uh that falls into something that Joel said is that and I think it's a really good one is is um in the different alternatives who are we counting on to build what housing and how are they incentivized to do that you know like if we're in an alternative three for example if a heavy if there's a heavy emphasis on a to use well right now the city's done the city and state have done a pretty awesome job making it um a pretty smooth path to building it at an ad u if you want to if you can afford it you know and if your if your space allows right so but that's counting on a homeowner to want to do it to be able to do it and then to actually do it um and so there's certainly no guarantee you do that that there might be folks who are more self-motivated to um develop a missing middle housing uh project in in in alternative to or how we incentivizing folks and I know that comes down to policy but is it possible to reach the goals that we say because I appreciate going back to you know Amy's conversation around Rina is that it's one thing to plan for units another it's another thing to get them built so can we talk about the the reality the incentives it's an interesting question because it also gets back to what is equity you know when you when we first were looking at these different alternatives and thinking about how they're different from each other you know and you look at the distributed housing there are people are like oh that's just like you know business as usual um you know it's not really a much of a change and it's not really true and especially now with SB 9 senate bill 9 which now basically allows anybody who's got more than 2400 square feet in their lot and can for reasons of topography and setbacks carve out another lot you can just go do it and one of the interesting things that I see in places like Richmond and San Pablo and Salinas is this is a real equity measure because people who have been trapped on their property by proposition 13 as long as since 1978 now have this huge investment they never had before and if they've got the right size lot and it doesn't have to be 2400 it could be four thousand square feet whatever they now can carve it into a second lot um and they can build a new house and they can rent it or sell it and depending on what the city's requirements are they could you know use it as a vacation mental or whatever and so one of the interesting things about that alternative three idea and again I really want to be really serious about there is no such thing after the next community discussion as alternative one alternative two or three these are these are ideas to start from and we will end up with something very different based on your input in the community's input but interesting thing about what alternative three looks like now is if you're in a neighborhood where you haven't been able to either buy or build you know either you know do what a lot of people have done when they've felt trapped by California property taxes and built a second story or built a second unit or whatever now you have this whole new source of income this whole new source of equity in your property and in some ways that's a real equity measure like if you look at densely populated neighborhoods where the lots are big enough this allows somebody to get something that that neighborhood never had before which is double the value out of their lot and you guys may know that statewide cities are kind of grappling with this because if you look at the combination of the accessory growing unit law and senate bill nine it's potentially six units where there was one and so you know one of the rules and planning is don't tell me what to do but I know it's best for my neighbor and I definitely want my neighbor to build six units even if I think it's a good idea for me and so a lot a lot of the advice around the the bay area is cities can limit it basically to four units right so you can have there's nothing a city can do to tell you you can't have your home the accessory growing unit that can be separated and the junior adu inside but you can limit if there's a mothering parcel and a daughter parcel the daughter parcel doesn't have to have those three my my only point here is this gets to the thing we're talking about before where this is an equity issue it's it's it's just as much a stretch sometimes for a developer of large format buildings I mean the downtown specific plan analyzes what could happen on a parcel that's got 8.0 floor ratio and is going to be largely housing and it's like a 15-story building and it's just as hard from from a financial standpoint for a developer who's got experience doing that as Andrea said using you know type three construction which is you know more than five stories of stick built on top of a two-story concrete podium it's just as hard to get that to pencil as it is for you or me and our house to go out and look at that other 1200 square feet we have a lot and think gosh could I actually pay for and build a unit I'm actually I'm sitting in my accessory dwelling unit that I built during COVID you know my wife and I am family and so I've been through this and I'm very sensitive to it and so bringing this all back together and making sure I don't dominate the conversation it really is an interesting perspective for each of us to think about what is the equity involved in having people in more concentrated larger-scale housing so that we can make it more affordable and compare that to well what if I'm able to do that lot by lot in my neighborhood and do I want to see that like even if it's good for me do I want to see all my neighbors do that too what if my neighborhood all of a sudden doesn't have parking on the street anymore because there's so many more of us but what does that do to the demand for parks and services does it help because now I've got double the people or one and a half times the people and it's going to you know increase the school population and increase you know the use of parks etc so again just putting it out there as this gets to one of the policies that we're going to use to make sure we get the outcomes that we want. Thank you Charlie Amy go ahead please. Yeah I just wanted to elaborate on what Charlie was saying in response to Jen that we're we're trying to find all the tools and really mobilize everything we have to be able to get housing in all of these areas and all of these ways but the way that these alternatives are helping differentiate the options are where we want to incentivize the you know and create infrastructure the rest of the tools that really build the community and also you know specific plans where do we want to facilitate and streamline housing so this will help kind of guide those decisions as well we are still going to you know do our best to implement the downtown plan and SB 9 and missing middle and all of those things but this just kind of lays it out in a way where we can look at the rest of the pieces to make sure that we're creating all the all the tool to create that full community that we're looking for. Thank you Amy Beatriz just a very quick follow-up I know there's still quite a few people that haven't had a chance to jump in so I just want to encourage us to be tight with our responses please. Just a quick addition to what both Amy and Charlie mentioned I think we're also not alone in this task I think planning has a big responsibility in the housing part but there's also the economic development teams and the housing team and I just want to make you more feel comfortable that we are talking to these other teams in the city this is not only a planning responsibility and we also have non-profit organizations that we're willing to collaborate with we're also including the community to hear from them to change the policy and that's why we're we're in this conversation with you just just wanted to say that this is a teamwork that doesn't only include the planning department. Great thank you both thank you Charlie for your response Yvette I see your hand and I'm going to just put you in the queue for the next round of sort of follow-ups okay just want to make sure that I get to other folks that haven't yet spoken. Lee please go ahead what are your thoughts? Well am I coming out loud and clear? It's been a great discussion and I wanted to hear rather than speak and it's been really great a couple of things I'll throw out there on the equity discussion just so people have it in their consciousness there are discussions going on initiated by me when I was on the black chamber and now as an individual I've got interest in building a BIPOC museum the black chamber was thinking more specifically about a black museum but my thought addresses a number of these equity concerns even to the extent that where schools fall short on teaching and talking about ethnic contributions to places where there's two percent or five percent of certain minorities a museum of the type that I have imagined and I grew up in a two percent community of St. Helena California but still the wine country and so at 74 years of age will be 75 next march I've seen enough to know that you're not going to be able to squeeze the the housing in some parts of the community that have historically resisted certain populations and so forth so why not and it doesn't have to be Santa Rosa our thinking is not just Santa Rosa our thinking is the north bay for this museum which would garner hopefully more money and more interest even when we talk to celebrities or whoever there is a need and if the schools when I went to St. Helena history was not one of my favorite subjects because the only thing that was talked about was slavery well that didn't excite me that much and there's other aspects of these communities that need to be taught to the younger people coming up so they can appreciate their place in that community and not feel as someone mentioned it's not welcoming we come in here and and there's not that sense of oh boy we've got more color in here or more equity in in the thought processes at policy making boards and that kind of thing so I just want to put that out that while it may not rise to the level of the master plan there are discussions going on and we all know it takes money and the people this I've got an architect who's an award-winning architect who's part of this discussion and has already put their company up as a interest in this project the black chamber when I was on there we got a virtual museum for the black chamber on record now on paper and so it's a funding thing locally and for cities or regions that would like to participate so that's a good discussion keep it going and see what we come up with that great thank you for your comments Lee it's very informative Andrew did you have a linkage here to the general plan yeah I was just going to say Lee you touched on an idea that De La Che and Jen and Gannett and others have tonight regarding existing segregation patterns in the city and I just wanted to highlight but that's something that isn't touched on with this phase of the alternative but getting back to what Charlie said earlier about how we address equity issues and into the policies and the actions that are included in this general plan in the final plan that's where the rubber meets the road and we start to craft policies that address the needs for more diverse economic segments of the community to be mixing together and requirements for affordable housing and housing that's affordable at all you know the the naturally affordable and the subsidized housing spread across the whole community and that's that's definitely coming as part of this process in these discussions as well you don't see it here in this space because right now we're just focused on you know how units are distributed overall but it will be coming and it's something that you know the input that we're hearing from all of you starting with our first community meetings and going through the end will impact all of that thank you okay again i'm gonna at least i see your hand i'm gonna i'm gonna just keep moving on we only have half an hour and we'll come back okay so steve go ahead please oh thank you a comment on the alternatives there is a wealth of information proven and proven to work we might be a combination of alternative number one and number two where we have a central corridor and an outreach into the communities for developments just like to do these that can have jobs close to the neighborhoods but still i have a concentration of downtown development although the downtown development would need to reach a certain critical mass where there's enough folks a variety of folks living in downtown to make it a safe and vibrant location either one of these would create jobs either the neighborhoods or and or the downtown also the the idea that we've learned through mixed use over the last 30 40 years is having folks at different demographic cohorts living in the same neighborhood doesn't work a mixed income neighborhood works as we've seen throughout the united states and that could be something that we should consider additionally regarding the investment needed to make these things work there are hundreds of millions of dollars available to santa rosa for these types of development projects and all we need to do is make the phone call and literally make the call because santa rosa is a place where the institutional investors love to invest so to invest in mixed income neighborhoods to enhance the availability and the opportunity for jobs and to enhance the education of our citizens because i believe that the more education the individual has the more opportunities they have in the future so the money is there the opportunity is there let's let's look at investing in not only the downtown but the neighborhoods through transit already in oriented developments thank you see well said kevin go ahead please yeah i appreciate this discussion friends i think a decent amount my questions have already been answered but i'll try to get it into two i'll just prep the first one with i appreciate charlie saying there's no such thing as alternative one two and three i found myself bit down a rabbit hole when i mentioned i was looking at alternative one only showing bus rapid transit when all you know any future alternatives should have bus rapid transit let's be honest and then alternative three mentioned that private automobile use would go up which is something like we that can't happen if we have any future climate the automobile cannot be as dominated so i appreciate that we're going to be able to pick and choose but i think that the deeper question here for me and for us together here is what does the public need to engage with these alternatives and so when i'm looking at it something that comes up right away and i might be stood under so i apologize if you guys are going to go over the space want to get it out you know can't ever assume anything what neighborhood am i in um where would my neighborhood main street be um you know andrea mentioned each neighborhood each neighborhood has its own community places and so i think you guys have probably done this already in other groups within city of center as a half and that is basic asset mapping where are those places that are currently working and how will those places be positively or negatively impacted by each alternative and that could be a lot of different things it could be bus routes it could be fire stations it could be schools could be recreation areas mini malls restaurants whatever it is that you determine churches etc parks so asset mapping is that being done will that be the first question will that be something that the public can engage with so current assets versus how they will be affected by an alternative and then the second question is really quickly a couple places in the alternative workbook it mentioned there will be policies and programs in the future and i think jen of many others have spoken delishe to equity but one of the things i think about are sometimes it's hard to be able to get into what some of those are they create walkable communities and so is there ways when i think about it and uh steve was mentioning transitory development but traditional neighborhoods is another way i've heard it framed there are certain policies that can help that regardless of which alternatives are there and i think that's a big one i work with youth and all of them and i say all of them want to be able to walk to services they want to be able to walk to school they want to be able to hang out with friends in places that they don't have to spend a bunch of money to do it so what are those policies look like and will the will this planning together will we be able to get into the nuances of what those policies will look like thanks man thank you kevin uh andrew or dan in terms of asset mapping i know that that is something that we are focusing on but do you have any response quickly to that to that specific uh suggestion uh well the really great suggestion and we have a ton of data just on physical attributes but also our first survey or i guess that was our first survey um we asked the community to do some asset mapping and the heart of their neighborhood and sort of neighborhood boundaries so we have that data as well and actually it's tremendous amount of data um so a really good point i think we can go back around and sort of uh narrate that or pull that data back up as part of this process um but thanks for mentioning that and i do want to just really mention kevin you hit on the key thing of all of this is how are we conveying and discussing this with the community as well absolutely that's the key piece of the feedback we want to hear from csc so absolutely i know i've heard from others as well thank you uh oh mar let's let's go to oh mar here go ahead please yeah so i think the one thing that i i like these where we're going with the conversation i think one of the things that i thought of just where i live is her and avenue based on what i'm looking at the maps it looks like it'll be part of a main corridor regardless of the plan and i know there is some traffic issues asset exists with um the her and over pass um i live five minutes from work and sometimes with traffic it can take me 20 minutes to get there um and obviously as using as a main corridor going forward that traffic may stay consistent may increase there are a lot of things like that so not just looking in this area specifically but then from my personal experience with it um has how we looked at potential traffic impacts of the main corridors or main travel areas that we're looking at and what policies will need to input to address those issues so it's again going back to the same kind of situation is like what what is the the impact on each of these alternatives whether it's economic development social services now you mentioned transportation we talked about identity all these things sort of need to be spilled out spilled out a little bit more strongly um let's see any other any other comments on mar no okay let's keep going all right so so then let's see i do have who hasn't spoken yet uh rituja catch you off guard there sorry about that where i was listening um and i want to thank everyone for sharing such insightful comments it's really great to hear everyone's perspectives and sometimes i feel a little bit disconnected because i currently don't live in santa rosa and i don't work in santa rosa right now and so it's been great to hear like all of your opinions um if i could ask one question it would just be some general questions about the equity priorities plan um i was wondering if you guys had thought of any ways to kind of measure the improvements in that area throughout this process and also um if you could talk more about like what specific data would you be collecting from each of the priority communities okay thank you for your question rituja i'm going to go to vea three since i cut her off earlier but um i also i want to just encourage everybody you know we we really only have about 20 minutes i want to be respectful people's time so we may not be able to answer all of your questions but we are noting them and we'll be able to get to them at some point vea threes go ahead please thank you noe um and thank you rituja for the question first i think uh we're working on outreach and um quantifying how many people will speak and what are the um characteristics of people but i think our next uh step with this would be um how how um are we measuring um specifically uh in terms of policy uh the the gaps that we are talking about like uh sidewalks and and bike lanes being one of the very first things that we can actually um verify and we're trying to work with the transportation team to do like a an inventory of of of the things that we're missing in terms of um community assets not non-assets specifically community um oh i forgot the word i'm so sorry um um well infrastructure that's that's what i wanted to say i'm sorry and um based on that i think we should start to to be telling you we should start to to talk about investment and this is something that is not on our side but i i think that just providing the information to the rest of the uh departments in the city and also to the city council can start a conversation about how we invest money in this specific community so i think this we would leave it to to the community and the city council we're just putting everything there um in terms of how we want housing and um infrastructure as well as community engagement to happen on the side of planning but i think this should be a conversation that the whole city should be focusing on thank you we have three thank you tuja for that question let's see keep keep it going to here to i believe michael michael cook have you had a chance yet no i haven't but i'm i'm i'm just listening thank you all right sounds good thank you erica did you have a chance did you want to say anything i just want to make sure everybody gets a chance here yeah good evening i haven't spoken yet um the thing that just came to mind for me as a civil engineer was just thinking about asset management and i'd be curious how um the city's asset management department is being funded or like because i know there was a bunch of people that left recently so i'm just curious the prioritization of looking at asset management so erica school us a little bit not all of us are familiar with asset management what is asset management sure sure so when i think of asset management it's kind of like collecting a database of what the city has in terms of assets be it parks be it infrastructure like roads water sewer um it's just massive amounts of data in a gis kind of a format um so i just be curious how the city's asset management department is looking and how it can contribute to this plan and and this is a little different from what i think kevin was suggesting about asset mapping asset is community asset mapping that i think kevin was suggesting which was more about the you know neighborhood types of amenities and you know things that are our community serving um i think what what erica i know what erica is talking about is asset owned by the city right so this would be the roads the street lights the sewer systems um you know the community buildings the any any kind of infrastructure that uh that is owned by the city and how it manages it and i think the the follow up question dan is how this relates to the general plan and uh i'll let staff talk about the asset management team because uh that i'm less familiar with but a really key part of uh this is we were talking about earlier is the infrastructure and the traffic and the systems but also the services the city provides as well and how uh you know fire access police all those things uh get factored into this so a few key ways this very directly gets into our process that we're discussing right now the alternative is a little bit intentionally a higher level analysis our next phase when you start getting a referral turn it is looking at a lot of this in much more detail because we'll have more specificity when we hear comments back from the community and then we can dive into a lot of some of the analysis on how different infrastructure could be impacted good or bad around these alternatives but also worth noting for the community as well as listening we have a technical advisory committee as part of this process and that is department heads and technical experts in all departments so they've also been helping in the analysis but developing some of these alternatives and factors as well so all departments of staff are very involved in this project great thank you for that dan i also want to encourage you dan to show the fabulous mural that you and sasha have been working on while we continue on with the discussion this is basically just to let you know that we've been in the background um you know taking notes copious notes and also trying to organize them to some extent um james i see that you came back if uh thank you for for coming back i apologize i missed i missed you there if uh if you have a comment about the alternatives about really which with the presentation or the workbook that you um well yeah go ahead go ahead james well thank you yes no i've i've missed here a a meeting i had to take care of something no problem one for one but um when you were you reached a point in the in the meeting uh i think ryan had asked a question about the alternatives that we had just reviewed and i think he framed the question in terms of tradeoffs between the alternatives and then staff jumped in and made some comments that was heading toward a response to my question which was which was similar only rather than framing the question in terms of tradeoffs as i reviewed the alternatives i thought what are mutually exclusive between the alternatives and i actually couldn't find anything i was thinking that if you were leaning toward option one what would that preclude from option two or three and i thought maybe nothing that you were concerned about because i found something attractive and in each of them right um so i thought since the options aren't really mutually exclusive there is a hopefully a fourth option that maybe takes the best of all three i don't know that's sort of what i was leaning toward and as staff responded to the question the way ryan had framed it in terms of tradeoffs i see that there is that possibility right and i thought that was encouraging that's that why i was going to just urge that we have a you know a discussion around what that might look like and i'm assuming that you have while i've been gone so i'm sorry no no no in fact it's a good way to wrap up the conversation uh james because what uh what happened after ryan's comment is that we did get into you know i asked kind of knowing the answer but i asked um you know what do we have to pick one and the answer is that no we don't have to pick one right we the the whole point of this is that this is just a starting point of a discussion to get us talking about which one but in fact the reality is a likelihood is that the fourth one that you're talking about is going to be sort of picking between the three right picking i like this from this one i like this from that one i like and so it's going to end up shaping into something that is new something that is is not one of these three currently it might look like one of them but it's not going to be exactly the same so i think you are right on in terms of your assessment of where this is headed thank you all right so evette thank you thank you so much for waiting so so patiently you can see that i'm just trying to get to make sure everybody gets a chance to talk so thank you for for waiting what what is your comment or your question um what there's also a attendee that wanted to speak as well and i just wanted to say that it's very important that we really look at the impacts of this type of housing i live between rosalie and downtown and in in some their days it's just like why even bother going out my house and so you know so i really want to make sure that we're looking at the impacts as far as resources and you know right now we're in a drought what kind of impact that's going to have one you know building up building out whatever that may be and then safety as far as walking and bicycle i don't bicycle around here because it's just dangerous and so and then the key thing of the whole thing about map segregation i think that's very important that we should probably invest in to doing that that mapping process and really taking a look to see if we're having those issues here which we are and then the asset mapping and asset management i was going to also touch on that and say you know we have a little bit of that when we're dealing with our parks and wrecks and trying to deal with the quadrants and everything like that and see what we have in our area what we don't have and there's a lot of movement that's happening here in the rosin area offer her with the big complex that's coming but i think it's very important that everybody is aware of what we have come into our area as we're looking at these models there are some things that's on the horizon and so it's going to change to me it's going to change what we're looking at because those things are in the forefront and they're very near in the future you know coming to fruition right thank you for your comments event thank you again for your patience i'm gonna let's see move us on i think everybody had a chance to to speak here dan if we could pull up the the presentation and and bring us home here in terms of the next the next section yeah thanks noe um and and thanks to Sasha and others recording always comments and in on the mural whiteboard which has been great and we're making sure everything is recorded here of course this session is also recorded the video as well so it'll be available on the website um i just want to hit on a few things just update uh where we left off at our last session this slide that we presented last time really includes a slew of engagement activities that we're going to launch into in february and march and maybe a little bit early april with planning commission study sessions as well um as we discussed last time there's a lot of different methods for engaging the community a lot of different options we want to be very proactive about this in particular the equity priority communities in those sessions and really reaching out to groups organizations and individuals the Beatrice and the team have already identified so this is just kind of a big picture snapshot to say there's going to be a lot of community discussions like this over the next few months and as part of that similar to last time but we want to sort of ramp this up a little bit more and get more uh support to cac members we are currently developing sort of the questionnaire and the survey tools and the materials for this uh round of engagement on the alternatives but as part of that a a cac toolkit and what we mean by that is a series of materials and information to give updates to meetings if you're meeting with certain groups uh organizations you're tied to or if you want to run a mini workshop um we want to have some training sessions in february so this is just a heads up Beatrice and the team will help organize that but I also want to mention we're also here to support you so it's not giving you materials and and you know good luck kind of a thing um the team is here to support we can be running logistics during zoom meetings those kinds of things so more to come and Beatrice and I and others will get back with you but do you want to mention as liaisons to the community in your role in the cac we'd love for you really again to get the word out and help us most importantly help us get voices and comments and opinions back from the community as well as we go through this thank you dan so so really here the question for you all is you know how how do we envision I mean well I guess first of all any thoughts any feedback on the upcoming community engagement process that you've seen so far and really importantly your role in reaching out to the community and opinion input do you all have any thoughts any questions for us on this engagement piece this one I won't call on people I just want to make sure this one's a little bit go ahead Stephanie yeah thank you you're mine going back to the slide it is where thank you this one or this one the engagement yeah yeah so I think what my um what I would like to see and what I would like for the team to and any of us who will really be supporting community engagement activities um is to think about the ways in which we can make these activities culturally responsive um there were some pretty pretty awesome things that I saw consultants do for engaging folks um I think it was for the I don't remember if it was for the census or if it was for um a different process that we went through recently um but they did something like tacos and mapping or something like they provided they went to spaces where folks who are typically not engaged in these processes spend time um and provided food and resources and and really walk them through the process of providing feedback um I think we have to think about the fact that a lot of folks haven't been engaged um at all in this conversation and so it's not going to be just a matter of like give us your feedback um there's going to be some legwork to help people um feel comfortable and um feel like they they are able to give us their authentic feedback so um I think my comment is really just around the cultural responsiveness absolutely absolutely tacos and planning sounds right up my speed I'll tell you that right now so it's great thank you for your suggestion um any any other comments I think I saw somebody else pull their hand up thoughts on feedback on your role we do want to encourage you uh to reach out to your different constituents your different networks and maybe this is something that we continue the discussion on um but we will be we will be reaching out and trying to organize I think we have at least go ahead you have like uh 40 different you know events already kind of planned so tell us a little bit more about that if you know I I don't want to talk about this because I want to give this time to the CAC I just wanted to say that um for the people who do not want to help us organize work organize workshops we're also able to organize the workshop on the city side and just um help us connect with the community that's way enough work um we will do this as much as we can and as much as our capacity permits us and as long as the as we have hours in the day to do it we'll be trying to do it every every effort that we that we can do to to provide you with staff myself and spaces for doing this just please contact me and I'll I'll I'll talk to you directly I have talked to some of you um separately um based on on conversations um to to organize workshops but if you feel like um you want to um organize something specifically for a community that you have connection with please just reach out to us thank you thank you for that it's important yes to to connect to use you as a as a trusted resource as a trusted connection Steve go ahead please yes I suggest we focus on the equity and the capital resources and the political capital necessary to make it happen so thank you for that Steve all right so let's move on we still need to do a little bit of a public comment so I'll pass it back to Michelle and while I go ahead please great thank you so much all right so now is the time for public comment um you will see a timer up here that will give you three minutes and if you could start um by stating your name for the record please give me just one moment while I share my screen go ahead we can hear you Michael you should have a prompt allowing you to unmute yourself oh yeah we can hear you go ahead we can hear you if you can start by stating your name for the record please oh Michael Tosky sorry I was so worried that you guys were like like um like intentionally trying to neglect me like I like I wasn't wanted at the meeting or something and yeah and the city of Santa Rosa just didn't contact me to tell me to please don't come to future meetings so that really made me paranoid and frustrated so I'm sorry about that but in the future please be more considerate than that um but anyway what I was gonna say what I wanted to say tonight was besides like I said last month at the last meeting about um for for there to be more drive-thru establishments like more quick serve restaurants with drive-thrus and more pharmacies with drive-thrus and more banks with drive-thru ATMs and and and for more improvements to east east uh this Santa Rosa east area especially of the highway 12 by extension east of farmers lane through the southeast greenway does not never really does happen then they're really there really needs to be improvements to the existing roadway network there like I was thinking of highway 12 between Los Alamos most at least between Los Alamos road and Pythian road to the wide end to two lanes in each direction as it currently ends um south of Los Alamos road where it stops being a four-lane roadway and um and that um and that Caltrans really needs to relinquish the rest of the Caltrans own traffic signals to the city of Santa Rosa within Santa Rosa city limits that uh the city of Santa Rosa does not already maintain on Caltrans is behalf of of the Caltrans own traffic signals like the like uh the the the Caltrans own traffic signals on Sonoma highway speaking of highway 12 and on former's lane between Hone Frenge road and uh Vallejo street and um just the other traffic signals the Caltrans own traffic signals throughout Santa Rosa city limits that's the city of Santa Rosa does not already maintain so any responses to my comments tonight hello hi Michael um so this is just a time to share um your feedback with us and um if you have any specific questions that you would like um answered if you can um email us um we would be more than happy to to respond but this is just a time for the public to share any feedback or comments or thoughts they have um relating to the agenda item tonight thank you bye bye have a good night thank you for your comment all right okay and that looks like um that was our only public comment for this evening okay thank you so much um Yvette did you have a final comment here before we kind of close up here yes I just um I did earlier I did mention that we had an attendee that had his hand up and I think we need to give space for the community to have public comment I don't know if this is just by the way we set it up but if we're going to allow people to come into the space and have uh have comment I think we need to pause for a minute and take their comments because people are leaving the meeting and if we're going to be advised and people to come to this meeting to speak and then we take up all the time when are they going to have time to speak so I think we need to adjust that and maybe have more than one uh time period within our agenda to have public comment that's just my comment noted thank you for that Yvette all right uh let's go ahead and uh bring up the final the next steps and see I'll pass it back to Dan yeah thanks no I just uh real quick on sort of the next steps of moving forward from tonight's meeting one uh key thing we're working on right now is a detailed calendar of engagement events especially the big citywide workshops as well they're currently being scheduled but this is something we're going to share with the CAC but also get posts on the website and have a whole series of notifications email blast hard copy notifications so we can really get the word out uh as these meetings are scheduled um as I mentioned earlier we're also putting together these engagement toolkits or packet of materials physical or digital and we'll be hosting training sessions with CAC members uh here next month to really go through these materials so understand how to use them as well and as always feel free to check in with us any questions or to coordinate any activities uh we're we're here to help in any way we can great thank you for that um I want to thank you for your participation today again for your outstanding comments and discussion it was just fascinating great discussion and I'll just bring I would like to invite Amy uh Lyle out here to just say good night to us on behalf of the city thank you everyone thanks no I just wanted to thank you as well I did a great job facilitating tonight and making sure everyone's had the opportunity to vocalize their comments and questions and just really appreciate everyone's involvement and we'll be getting back to you soon in February next month and thank you so much have a wonderful evening thanks everyone good night everyone thanks everyone