Yep, Charlamagne to God. Andrew Schultz.  This episode is brought to you by Bluetchew, the best boners in the business, fellas. Make sure you get your first month free.  Now let's start the show. Let's make sure this episode is hot. Yes, sir. You know what I'm saying? Schultz in here with the richest spinster special, baby. You got it! Sides are gone. Bro, I thought that there was just too much progress going on in this podcast. We need to bring it back to alt-right, Andy. You know what I mean? That's right. That's right. That's right. That's right. As an alt-right. Exactly. OK. OK. Nah, come on. Let's be racist today. Yo, you need to be more racist, bro. How was the weekend? I don't know. Gay guy? Oh! Hold on. What? What? Hold on. What? What happened? Let's start over. Let's start over. Yep, shawlamenia guy. Richard Spencer.  Back for another week of brilliant idiotness. Schultz is in here with the richest spinster special, baby. Yes, sir. But that's actually the boozey. What you going in and say, yo, man, cut my sides with me a little face? That's what I asked for. The boozey. I asked for a boozey face. You asked for a little boozey. I asked for a little boozey. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That is the white boozey face. I got a white boozey, bro. God damn.  All right, all right, sorry, last intro, last intro.  Last intro. Ready? Let's start it again. Yeah, yeah. Let's keep all of this to Alex. This is good stuff. This is great. This is great. You ready? All right. Did you get Chris's ass? Not, but he moved the camera.  Take three. Yep, shawlamenia guy. God damn. What are the chances of that happening? That was great. That was nuts. That really was. You had your gun wasn't in there, Steve.   Why can't we hear me? Now we got feedback.  We got to do take four. You got to do take four, guys. All right, here we go. We'll do it for real this time. Take four. Brilliant idiots, go. Yep, shawlamenia guy. All right, Andy. Hey, we got a Brilliant Idiots podcast back for another week of brilliant idiotness. Show us a bit here with the rich and special baby. We throwing it back, bro. Ooh, we going back. Ooh, back. Ooh, way back.  How much did you pay for that haircut? Say again? How much did you pay for it? This one I got for free. Really? Now I had to get it. For a roll? It was for the movie, yeah. Oh, God, you got to get it. But it is weird. When you get it, you do get a little more racist. No, I was about to say, if you paid for that, you got gypped, bro. I got gypped. You got gypped, bro. Now you speaking my language, bro. Now you speaking, we talking about racial terms. Now you speaking my language. That's not a racial term. Jip is short for gypsy. Man, I never knew that until yesterday. And you didn't either. I didn't know until I got this haircut. And I started using it. I was like, woo. I am so sick. But for real. You get white people looking at you when you get a haircut like this, and they're like, eh. They don't want to make sure. No, they're not like this. They're like, we got another one. You should just say it's just for a roll, bro. It's for a roll, man. I do have to say it. It's for a roll. If you don't know what we talking about, Whoopi Goldberg had to apologize for using what they are saying as a Romanian slur. Oh, you using Jip for that reason. Let me hear this, man. Let me hear the original. Is that our apology or the original?  Let me hear the original. It's a big Whoopi, man. Let me hear the original. Beautiful women. The people who still believe that he got, you know, Jip somehow in the election will still believe that he cared enough about his wife to pay the, that was gas. Okay, we can stop. First of all, let's be clear. Whoopi Goldberg is black, right? I've been hearing the word Jip my whole life. I thought Jip was slang until today because of this whole situation. What did you think it was slang for? I thought it was just slang for being cheated. Like you got cheated, you got swindled out of something. What do Jipsies do? I have no idea what Jipsies do. I don't know anything about Jipsies.  I didn't know that. That sounds, I don't know if that's true or not. I mean, it's probably stereotypical. Yeah, I don't know anything. That's where it comes from. I thought Jipsies were like genies. What are Jipsies? Nah, they're genies. I'm not even joking. What are Jipsies, yo? I don't even know what Jipsies are.  And a lot of times that ain't even the mother with the kid.  Well, guess what? I knew nothing about that.  It wasn't until this morning that I even realized that Jips was in the dictionary. You know what it says in the dictionary? When you're cheated or swindled out of something. Okay. I mean, there's a definition for hateful words. No, why is it hateful? Why do we act like words only have one meaning?  We're really getting dumb. We don't need a disaurus anymore. If words only have one meaning now, get rid of the disaurus, throw it away. Yeah, I understand what you're saying. What I'm saying is if you use the name of a group of people as a derogative term, it's gonna be offensive. We don't think it's offensive because most people don't even know that it's attached to that term. At all, yeah. And when you look it up in the dictionary, it's not there. Now, by what you just said, are we admitting that America has institutionalized racism? Are we admitting that racism? It's not on America.  We don't got gypsies here really. But it's in our dictionary. They brought it here. We got our language from them. Okay, so they bought that. Don't put this on America's institutionalized racism. Don't try to back out of it now. Okay. America's so racist. But aren't we admitting that, though? If you're saying it's a hateful term. Bro, this haircut be making me so unempathetic to racism. If you're saying it's a hateful term, are you admitting that institutionalized racism is in America? It exists in Europe. You're right. And then these Europeans colonized us and they brought it over. Listen, we learn racism from the Europeans. I agree with that. Exactly. So it's our fault. We're victims. We're out of the Caucus Mountains. I'm a victim. But my point is, we gotta stop acting like words only have one meaning.  There's a reason when you open up a dictionary, there will be a word and it'll give you one, two, three definitions of a word sometime. If it's used in a proper context, there's nothing hateful about what Whoopi said and she should not have had to apologize in any way, shape, or form. All right, we'll replace it with another thing. Like what? Blacked. They say that all the time. He blacked out. Black male, black ball. Yo, that dude blacked on stage. Like, what are we talking about? We say it all the time. All right, what if somebody was like, what if somebody was like. By the way, majority of things that are black have a negative connotation to them. Black ball, black male. That's not true. Villains wear black. Black is slimming. Wear black at funerals. Yeah. You know what I mean? What's wrong with that? Out of respect for the dead.  Like Wakanda, yes. Is somebody's dead? Yes, Wakanda. But how goofy do they look?  They go to the afterlife. I hope we all do.  That's why they wear black. If you really believe that they were going to heaven in the afterlife, you wouldn't be sad. Yo, devil's food cake gotta be dark. You know what I'm saying? That's racist.  Because the devil is red. Everything. It's not black.  The devil is white. Ooh. Now you were, hey, listen, now you're with me. Now you're with me.  At least we can agree on it. All I'm saying is, everything you can point to so many things in America that they consider to put the word black to and have the negative connotation.  Yeah, but it had that connotation before black people. I don't believe that. What are you talking about? I don't believe that. Those are words.  All right, maybe. Whatever. I guess what I'm saying is like, you're just naming a group of people when something bad happens. Now listen, Dave, I just want to let you know, that's used in the same way. There's Jewish terms that are used in the exact same way and we consider that anti-Semitic. Like what? Instead of being Jip, you've got Jude. I've never heard that. Chris? Very true. I've never heard that. Now, now. Like I've never heard that. You've never heard it? Oh, no, no, I'm lying. Didn't Michael Jackson say that in the song? Yeah. He was the big K word. No, no, he said that. He said what Chris just said. Oh. Yeah, yeah. But he also used the big K word. Kick me, me. You never heard that one? No, he did. He did that to it. It might have been the same song. Anyway, he was going after the Jews there. Maybe he didn't. I don't know.  Now, I guess the Gypsy community is very, I guess they're upset about this or whatever. Is that in the dictionary though? Like is that word, if I go look up Jude me in the dictionary, is that there? No. Well, who controls the dictionaries? I don't think Indian hip is in the dictionary either. Dude, I'm telling you, it's because the Jews control them. They control all the words. They control all the words. Dominicans, dude, that's what Jay Electronica said. Jay Electronica said Dominicans control, what do you say? Dominicans control the music industry or something crazy. Wow. Wow. That's not in the dictionary. That is not in West. It's in the Urban Dictionary, exactly. Gypt is actually in Merriam-Webster's dictionary. And where is Merriam-Webster from? I have no idea. England, right? Exactly. The English are responsible for everything.  We should stop calling this the English language. Let's call it.  Yo, we don't got nothing. We invented black people. No, you didn't. Yeah, we did. That's Africa all day. No, Africa invented us all. Africa invented us all. Africans. You invented the term, yes, you're right. We invented black people. The caste system of black people definitely came from America.  I don't know. Maybe they came from Europe, though. No, no, no. There were Africans in Europe, but black people are from America. That's the caste system, yeah. They created the caste system. But now you're making it crazy. No, but that's the system. The system is the caste system. Well, let's not talk about systems. Black people? The caste system. Whoa, whoa, whoa. Black people came from the caste system. Whoa. They created the caste system. Whoa. You should read the book, caste is a really good read. Who wrote it?   That's right. Not an African. A queen. That's right. That's right. You know what I'm saying? I want to shout her out. What's her name? Isabel Wilkerson, I think it is. Probably. The caste system, that did cast the book. Isabel Wilkerson, right? We invented comedy. We invented jazz. We invented dancing. We invented baseball. Damn. Basketball. Black people, let's go.  White people. We invented pretty much all the cool shit that we use today. The internet, saving the environment, equality, freedom. No. What do you mean no? You just named three things America's failing at. What are you talking about? The environment. Our environment is sick. Yeah, it's dying. No, it's 50 degrees in December that success. You don't think that success?  It was negative 25 degrees. You don't want all that. All right.  Like, they feel like, yo, there's nothing we can do to stop it. There's nothing we can do to change it. How much do you feel? We're not going to be around so yolo with it. No, no, they don't feel that. They just, every generation rejects what the generation before them thinks is cool. So the generation... So surviving? Being alive? No, activism. Activism is cool to the generation, to the generation, I guess, below us or a few generations below us.   No, you got a whole generation that cares about activism. They just care about the wrong things. Nobody cares about activism no more. By the way, let me tell you how it works.  You know what I'm saying? And he's yelling and screaming, trying to save his dog. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Dogs can swim, doggy paddle. There's a whole paddle named after dogs. I'm not worried about my dog. The dog will probably survive before we do. The dog's going to survive. Yeah, the dog's going to survive. Yeah, and I live high enough. I'm not living on the first floor.  By the way, I'm going to be honest, man.  That's why you shouldn't care about the environment. We're going to get hit by a comet. No, no, it's not the comet. And everything's over. I'm telling you, Charlemagne, Charlemagne, please can you listen to me for one second? A comet is going to hit the earth and all of us are going to die almost instantaneously. So until then, YOLO. No.  Me, I'm going after it. No, no, I do feel like there's, I'm not going to say there's nothing we can do to reverse climate change because I think the earth is going to reset itself but the earth is going to reset itself by getting rid of the ultimate virus on the earth which is humans. Whoa. Where what's ruining the earth? I don't think so. I think we've made this so much better. Like, even if you name the things that it takes that when you talk to people, they'd be like, oh, how can you reverse climate change? Everything it takes is for us to stop doing us. Drive driving cars. Yeah. Smoking cigarettes. What else, Chris? Eating animal products, mass production of meat. Cow farts. Cow farts. We got to go. Like we're being totally honest in order to really have climate change and to save the earth, we got to go. And that's why it's going to be a wrap for us. Like the earth will get rid of us before anything else happens. No, you think about this wrong. And even when it comes to climate change, right? You heard of the permafrost theory. Yep. Where it's getting so hot that the glaciers are melting and all these new diseases are coming out. But you know what's happening now, scientists are actually unthawing some of these diseases themselves. So they can find the cure.  Sounds familiar, don't it? Never, never cause an issue ever once. That never caused a global issue, not once. Playing around with viruses, never once caused a global issue. Pill it up, Taylor. Put permafrost scientists. But we're good. Don't worry about all that. Let it, let it warm up. Let it thaw out. Let's go. Like it's game time. I think we spent way too long on this earth. I'm with you that there's nothing you can do. No, it's not about nothing you can do. There might be things we could do, but don't worry about it.  So until then, enjoy the life. When did the comet hit 2045, right? No, it's not that one. We're in the, what do they call it? The cosmic shooting gallery. Like they're just comets come and hit us all the time. And in the millions of years that the earth has existed, this has happened many times. We have many global cataclysmic events that have just destroyed society. Don't worry about this. No, I did read an article recently that says Asteroid posted hit 2045. Yep, yep, yep, could hit us. Scientists, this is CNN. Scientists have revived a zombie virus that's been 48,500 years frozen in permafrost. Great, awesome. Why? What's wrong with that? Maybe it's a fire virus. Warmer temperatures in the Arctic. Good. Which Andrew Wants are thawing the region's permafrost, a frozen layer of soil beneath the ground. Great. And potentially stirring viruses after lying dormant for tens of thousands of years can endanger animal and human health. While a pandemic unleashed by a disease from the distant past sounds like the plot of a sci-fi movie, scientists want the risk. Yeah. Yes. What? What are you scared of? I'm not scared of nothing. This is just all the more reason for whoopi Goldberg not to apologize.  That's what I'm saying.  Only to get canceled for saying Gypsy. Not canceled.  My point is, it's useless. Enjoy life. NASA tracks a newly discovered asteroid that has a small chance of hitting Earth in 2046. Put your AC on.    Go all year round with the air conditioner. I'm going to Anguilla and I'm going to Bali. Ride this thing out, man. Are you going to keep sitting like that? Yep. Okay. Just let him do it. What's that all about right there? I'm trying to keep, I'm trying to protect the environment. Which environment is that?  You toot that thing up, boy. That's a little crazy right there. You let a little gas out. You're not comfy just now, bro. I've never seen you get this comfy.  So you're telling me Gypsy is a slurred, what you're saying? Be getting gypped is a slur. Gypped is a slur. Apparently, everything's a slur. Did you notice yesterday seriously? Did you notice before yesterday? Of course. I've had many interactions with Gypsies. Really? Yeah. And you know what they did to me? Gypsy. That's right. That's right. So at a certain point, you have to take responsibility for the term. Wow. You gotta take it. All I'm saying is if this is slur, why is it in the dictionary?  Well, in the dictionary, it's listed as an informal verb. I don't know what that is. Don't say slur. The n-word is listed as a slur in the dictionary. It says it's a slur. Well, the n-word has no other word. That's my point. So how can you be a... That's what you just said is exactly what I've been saying. Meaning that if Gypsy has more than one meaning, how can you be mad at Whoopi Goldberg for using it in context? The word gyp only has one meaning. Clearly it doesn't. Gypsy has modal. Look up the definition, Taylor. But the word gyp only is used in what's it called? Oh. So if that's the case then... A pejorative. If that's the case, then they're wrong. But coming at Whoopi. Because Whoopi's using it in the proper context. No, no, but it's just like saying the n-word only has one use and you shouldn't use it. All it says right here is gyp. I think Whoopi just needs to say she identifies as a gypsy. You know how I know they just added it? Because the triangle next to it, that's a little monotony, bro. They did that today. All right, good. Cheat or swindle someone. That salesmanship, you have to gyp people into buying stuff they don't like. Noun, an act of cheating someone, a swindle. Wow. Didn't she play a gypsy in that movie where she's in ghost? Ghost? Nah, she was a medium. Yeah, that's what they also pretend to be. Really? Dead serious. I didn't know that. Yeah, all of this is new to me. I didn't know. Anyway, I didn't know. Well, slew through all the gypsies out there. Yeah, shout out gypsies, man. And I will still continue to say I got gypped. If indeed, I do get gypped. Brave, you're brave. What?  What? I'm just, he's gonna come for you, bro. You know Tyson Fury's a gypsy. Even the word gypsy, you're not supposed to say. The Gypsy King. But the word gypsy, they find offensive. They like to be called travelers.     Don't ever call anybody a cheater either, bro. Don't call nobody a cheater. You know who would be offended by cheater? Who? Chester cheater that does the goddamn Cheetos? Oh, no, wait. Don't ever disrespect cheaters. Oh, no. Y'all motherfuckers, you just stop calling people cheaters. You really need to. Think about all the cheaters.  Oh, hell, no. Huh? Cheater lives matter, bro. They do.   I love how you had enough. That's what I'm saying. Tell us how you feel about more groups. Come on, let's go. Group by group. Let's go. We had enough. Let's go. First of all, stop saying more, yo. What you doing about?  Oh, no. Stop saying that. You don't know if they're called more men's because they want more. I thought they're called more men's. Don't ever say they want enough. Don't ever say Mormons have had enough. I won't say it. I thought it was a different reason why they called Mormons. It's so crazy to me, man. I don't know why you'd be so crazy. We'll just offend you. If you worked at this restaurant, and they were serving drinks named Negro in Caucasia. What were the drinks? Does the Negro drink come late?  Do you order it? And then it comes about 25 minutes after you order it? That would not be the Negro drink. That would be the Jamaican. That would be a red stripe. That would be a Jamaican red stripe. Would come to you 25 minutes late. OK, and what about the Caucasian? Like, if you order the Caucasian. White Russian. What? Oh, is that the drink that would be? Yeah, yeah, yeah, white Russian. Oh. White Russian. OK. That's what I did. When I read the story, it said that the guy was coming up with new ways. The name drinks like the white Russian and stuff like that. So he called it the Caucasian. So 25 employees. He doesn't want to have a Russian named drink because ordering a Russian named drink right now might be a little uncomfortable. Probably. So you get a Caucasian. But what I'm saying is when you're drinking that Caucasian, how does it make you feel? How does it make you act? That's actually a real drink, though. The Caucasian. The Caucasian. Look it up. It's vodka, I believe. That's Russian? It's an actual drink called the Caucasian. It's called the Caucasian and the Caucasian dude. Look it up. Look it up. OK. So it's actually a drink called the Caucasian. Yeah. I mean, I think it's a lot of things that we learn when these situations happen and they're new to us.  Like they've been around. What? This drink right here. They just thrown out old terms. Dude, yeah, Caucasian is a. Pull up the Caucasian drink, Taylor. Yeah, it's just it's vodka and Kahlua, and then you top it off with milk. Bum. Vodka, Kahlua, and then milk. That's what. And it's called the Caucasian. That's what a white Russian is. Well, I guess you saw it. They have the name. What's it called? Caucasian cocktail. Caucasian cocktail. So this is happened. Oh, it's like when we didn't like French, we called them freedom fries, not French fries. We didn't like the French. And there's a drink called the Negronian. Oh, come on, bro. The Negroni. Negroni. But that's a drink that's very popular. Just saying, you know, you have a little trouble with order at shows. You know what I'm saying? I had a waiter once. They think you say the N-word every episode. I had a waiter.  He asked my wife was like, well, what's good on the menu? What should I get? And he was like, you should get a Negroni. And I was like, what did you just say to my wife? Whoa. And I realized that this is on the menu as a cocktail. But it was a little weird.  But I've got to happen to the Swartz and Nagas all the time. Oh, my God. They got black waiters. What's your name? Swartz and Nagas. What'd you call me? How lucky are they?  What do you mean? What do you mean? How lucky are they? Why are they so lucky?  Are you in a role?  I'm not in character. I'm not in character. It's just something happens with the haircut. I asked him. I was like, can you? That's why I asked if you ain't character crazy. I'm not in character. I am this. I'm method. I'm method. This is how I act from now on. All right, you're bringing up the Swartz and Nagas. Would you be offended by this? Why are you even bringing up this? But take about that. I would never say that guy's full name. So if you was ordering to drink, you'd be like this. Around you guys. You'd be like the Enroni. The Enroni. The Enroni. No, you can say Negroni. Is this something to be offended by, though? What? The Caucasian and the Negro. Those aren't even slurs. No, but call that cracker. If it was called the cracker juice, exactly. Cracker juice. Give me some of that cracker juice. Give me some of that cracker juice. One, three crackers on the rocks. That's different. Negro and Caucasian are not slurs. By the way, every Martin Luther King junior speech had the word Negro in. That's true. I'm serious. I don't know what's going on in the world, Joe. I really don't know what's happening anymore. Is that a bad word now? What? Negro? Negro. I did not know. So the Negro Leagues, Martin Luther King Junior used the word Negro in all of his speeches. When did it become a slur? Negro became a slur in the 70s. But so did Black. The word Black refers to Black. That is also a good point that he makes. The word Black refers to the color of Black. African-American replaced Negro. African-American replaced Negro. But Negro wasn't a slur. Can I just ask a question about the African-American? Do we really need to put, I think we know where you guys are from? By the way, some people don't like the term African-American. No, I'm being serious. I mean, we're all technically African-American. I understand they're trying to be respectful, right? They're trying to go, they're trying to be like, OK, how can we have another term that's not Negro? It's like, oh, what about African-American? It's just like, yeah, there's one continent where Black people are from. Well, all people. In the world. Let's be for real. All people. Yes, all people. I'm saying it. Of course. But it almost makes more sense to be like, European-American or Australian-American or whatever, American. It makes more sense to point out where white people are from because they're white people from all these different areas. Maybe not, though. We know where Black people are from. Not necessarily, because it's the Caribbean, too. The Caribbean's heavy, too. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, but. So not necessarily. Because technically, all of us would be African-Americans, right? Because all of us. That's not the point I'm making. The point I'm making is they're trying to be polite by doing the most obvious thing. I don't know if that's obvious, though. Is it Black people are from Africa? Not all Black people. Those Black people from the Caribbean, where were they from? They came from Africa. But that's the case. Everybody's from African-American. So I don't know if that. What's going on? And you have Americans here. Everybody's here at home. What's going on right now? No, listen.   They like to be called foundational Black Americans. Because some people feel like they were here. If that isn't.  Oh, wow. Especially if you go to like, down South people in South Carolina, people in Virginia, like they feel like they were here. Just like Native Americans. They feel like, why, and some people feel like Native Americans were Black people too. Not all of them. Some natives believe that. You know what I mean? Yeah, yeah, yeah. So I don't think it's just, I think it's a little bit more nuanced than just saying all Black people are from Africa. No, I guess what I'm trying to say is there's this name. There's this label that has brought up. Before we felt comfortable just going Black and White, right? The caste system, yes. Well, sure, whatever. Now we just go Black. And Black is all-encompassing. And it's just like, OK, if whether you're from the Caribbean, you're from Africa, it doesn't matter. Black, that makes sense. Well, Caribbean's hate that. Caribbean's hate being called Black people? Yeah, Caribbean's want to be called what they are. They want to be called Jamaican. They want to be called Haitian. Well, that's different. That's what country, that's your nationality. That's not your race. That's how you feel, though. They don't want to be referred to as Black. So they don't want to have a race? No, they'll get upset about that. Well, they should be called Jamaican because they're from Jamaica. That's a nationality. We're conflating two things. There's nationality and race. Yeah, so Black Americans here, we don't have a country. So that's why they have to just the engulfing term of African nationality. Yeah, I know. I'm aware of this. I'm trying to explain it to you guys. No, but why'd you say it's a dump thing? It's obvious. It's not, though. You just explained it. No, it is obvious. But I mean, what other term would they call? I guess, OK, let me back up.  You mean it's obvious why they refer to people in that? No. Why? You don't need to say that a Black person has roots in Africa because there's one place in the world where Black people come from, Africa. So I don't think you need to go African-American. You're like, that's already self-explanatory. We can see. We know. White people, wait for it.  What I'm saying is it almost makes more sense to have the descriptive word before white people.  I guess what I'm saying is because it's not as self-explanatory for us. What's interesting is that some people would say what you just did is a formal white supremacy. And I'll tell you why. No, no, you haven't paid attention for the last 10 minutes and it's driving me crazy. I'm making the argument. Yes, but listen. No, no, you're not listening.  I'm making the argument that all Black people are from Africa. No. You just said that. The oppressive term, African-American is in some ways oppressive because it acts as if the Black people that are in America aren't just Americans. They're from Africa. Asian-Americans, African-Americans. Why is it the white people just get to be American and then all these other people are Mexican-American, Asian-American, whatever? What I'm saying is. They do say white Americans. Oh my god, you're not listening again. They do. No, it's fine. Nobody says white American. The reason why it's oppressive is because white people just get to be American and everybody else gets to be this word American. You know he just changed the argument. He did.  You didn't explain it. You didn't explain it that good in the first time. I'll tell you. My whole point that I'm trying to say is. And I'm going to tell you why I was so slick. I'm going to tell you why I was so slick. He changed the argument to say, yeah. Now you're like, yeah, that's right. How come we don't get to just be Americans? That's not what you would say. No, you're looking at my haircut and you're assuming the racism.   What I was trying to say at the beginning is, the other ones are so obvious. When you look at, you don't have to say Asian-American. I'm looking at you, buddy.  But what?  So what I'm trying to say is just let me get it out. But don't you negate the existence of Jewish people, Scottish people, any white person that's from another, any person of pale skin that's from another country? I'm not done. You're not letting me finish. If you let me finish. I just gave him another point to finesse. OK, ready? The woke argument I was trying to make, but you guys assume it's racist because of my haircut. The woke argument I was trying to make is that nobody else needs that label. What is it called? A noun or something before American? What is it? Adjective. Adjective? It is. No one else needs the qualifier, right? No one else needs a qualifier because Asians are from Asia. We get it. We know you're from Asia. But don't say Asian-Americans. I'm just going to keep talking. Black people are from Africa. They say Asian-Americans. It's on the census. And that's what I'm saying is wrong. Just try to, the way you think about what I'm saying, if you just think the opposite, any time I say anything to you, think the opposite, that's what I really mean. OK. OK. So Asian-American, we know you're from Asia. We don't need it. African-American, we know you're from Africa or your roots come from Africa. We don't need it.  You could be a white person from Argentina. You could be a white person from Australia. You could be a white person from Syria. I don't know about that. You could be a white person from Afghanistan.   Let me tell you what a flaw is. I won't. Yes, but let me tell you what a flaw in your argument... And you're not letting me be woke. I'm going back to racism. The flaw in your argument... He won't too hard. Listen, the flaw in your argument, and that's why I said earlier what you said could be considered a form of white supremacy, is you're making it seem like there's black people nowhere else in the world but Africa. So you think that in the history of the world and the whole existence of the world, there was only black people on this one continent. They didn't exist nowhere else on the planet. They did in smaller numbers. I don't know if they were smaller or larger. I'm just saying, like, they had to exist other places. And that's the argument that other people have. Like, they say, okay, people came to America, but they were indigenous people, black people already here. Yeah, I don't believe that. But see, this is all about what you believe, but some people would say that's a form of white supremacy. Yeah. That's all. You get it? I mean, you could say anything's a form or at math is white supremacy. I don't agree with it. I'm just saying.  I'm just saying that they had... I just think common sense would say there had to be black people all throughout the world. Just like there had to be white people all throughout the world. I'll be honest with you. I think the best argument for there being black people throughout the world is like, the black people that built all the pyramids in Egypt and Sudan, if there was, I assume that they were like a higher form of intelligence and a higher form of technology. And if you were able to do that, you can definitely build a boat and like sail around the world. So I could see them exploring the world 100%. I think that we know... This basic logic tells us there had to be humans of both hues from the beginning of time. And they probably were all over the place. Not from the beginning of time. It has to be. It would be silly to think otherwise. No, I think we started out as black. And then I think that the ones that went further north, they needed to absorb the sun better and they lost the melanin that protected them from the sun. And they also needed to... What was it? I think people with blue eyes are very sensitive to sunlight. Well, when there is no sunlight, you need, I guess, as much of it as you possibly can. So I just think that they lost the pigment. I think we all started out as black 100%. I'm black. I've heard that theory a million times. I don't know.  We're built there for it. We had a guy on this morning. He's a new artist. His name is Stefan Benz. Stefan's six foot two, blue eyes, blonde hair. You know what I'm saying? You see him, you probably think he was from fucking... Finland. Oh yeah, Ohio. South African. Speaks the native tongue of whatever. I forgot the exact language.  You know that Great Britain colonized South Africa and they brought white people down there. So you think white people... Oh yeah, the Dutch too.  You think it didn't happen until then? No, I think it happened. I think it happened... The Romans got down there, 100% the Greeks got down there. I think white people went down there a bunch. Okay. But he's still South African is what my point is. Yeah, but his roots are from... What is the... He's only 16. All he knows is South Africa is my point. That's what he speaks. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, I love you. It's the truth though. Like I just think it's ridiculous to think that there was only one race on all these other continents and only black people on Africa.  He's the only one. All I'm simply saying is I feel like black and white have existed for thousands of years all throughout this world in various ways. Hey, guess what? They've existed for hundreds of thousands, maybe millions of years. That's all I'm saying throughout this whole world. That's it. That's all I'm saying. But no, I don't think because it's much harder to travel. So like back in the day, now granted, if there was some advanced technology back in the day, which I do subscribe to, right? And if that advanced technology that we see expressed in either like Turkey or Egypt, if it's in Turkey, then it's obviously brown people. And if it's in Egypt, then it's black people, right? Especially the pyramids you see in Sudan. It's like, that's black people, 100%. So yeah, I see them there, but... Let's take it out of humans for a second, right? Yeah. We've all traveled, you know, we scuba dive, we've seen things in the jungle, things in the jungle. And I'm just talking about hues. That's all I'm talking about, color. Yeah. Everything has different colors. You know what I'm saying? Fish have different colors. You can look at an ecosystem of fish and they'll be blue and yellow, black, white, all just around each other.  Like, why do we think that? He didn't make black people black because he liked the color. He did it because it helps you survive the elements in Africa. I don't know why it was done. All I'm saying- White people are pale and white because it helps us survive the elements in Northern Europe. Sure. But you think that there's only one, you think he only made one group of people, or she made one group of people in all these different places? Yeah. True. That's what you believe, cool. I just don't see it. No, I think we all started as one. Which is black, you think? Which is black. Okay. Yeah. And then listen, if there's some evidence that shows that maybe we all started in Asia, maybe we all started in Asia, and then maybe we moved towards- I've heard that theory too. And then that's what we are. We're all Asian. So what color we start in Asia? You know. No! But I'm at my point. And by the way, these are just theories. Like, all of this stuff is just theories. But what if that theory is correct that we all started in Asia and then migrated? I think that that's very possible as well. We gotta find the oldest person, wherever the oldest person is. Not for real, like- I don't know. No, no, I don't mean the oldest person now. Like, we gotta like exhum the oldest person. If that person is 700,000 years old and they're from Thailand, that's where humans started. Maybe it's Africa. Right now we believe it's Africa. I think the oldest person we found was like in Morocco or something like that. But yeah, 100%. I mean, I've heard the theory of everybody had derives from black women. All I'm simply saying is I don't know. They're all just theories. You know what I mean? I just look at the way the world is now. I look at the way different ecosystems are now. I feel like all of these different hues, all of these different colors, they might have been around for a long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long time. There's like evidence to show that like there's more genetic similarities between like a Somali guy and a Swedish guy than there are between a Somali guy and like a Cameroonian guy. So just because people have a similar skin color doesn't mean they're like genetically similar. Also linguistically. Oh yeah, exactly. So what Chris said is also linguistically, like there's certain languages that obviously blend together much easier. But I think that we're visual creatures, humans. So we just see things that look similar. And we go, okay, you guys must be the same. You're part of the same thing.  They have the same roots. They have the same genetics. We do the same thing with white people. Exactly.  It's absolute.  You got Scottish roots. Chris got Jewish roots. There's Russians that have way more Asian roots. Like if you go to parts of Russia, they have literally Asian DNA in them. But if people walk in here, all they're gonna see is two white guys. Exactly. Two black guys. I don't know what Steve would be.  No, Shub is definitely Indian. Steve looks like we mixed everybody in this room together. Yeah, there's no quill. That's all I'm saying. I don't know. That's my new thing for everything. I really don't know anymore. Cause I feel like everything is a theory. Also, I don't want to be referred to as a European-American. I'm American. You are American. So you're not African-American. Not according to the census. You're American. Well, we got to change the census. Stefan Benj. That's his name. That guy's African, bro. When I look at that guy, I think Africa.  No, you did not. When I see that guy, all I think about is Africa. I don't think about anything else but Africa. When I see that. No, you didn't. Are you kidding me? You would have never thought Africa if I didn't say it. Oh, oh. Dude, oh man. What about him?  That's impatient. That might be racist. I don't know. I just came out. What about him looks African? I mean, just look at him. And it was so ill, cause he started speaking. He was like, he was like, I can go back to speaking my language right now. And he was, he named whatever the language was. Afrikaans. No, it wasn't Afrikaans. Yeah. Was it? Yeah. I don't remember whether it was Afrikaans. That's the language of the Dutch colonizers in South Africa. I don't know if it was Afrikaans. It might have been. You might be right. I don't remember what it was. But he just spoke it so effortlessly. Yeah. And I'm gonna tell you something, man. I told him he gotta do Afro beats, which he's already doing. He should do his music. Why would he do anything else?  Why?  They're gonna say white people take everything. They're gonna call it cultural appropriation. They're gonna call him a colonizer. And all he's gonna say is I am South African. My whole family moved here so I could pursue my dream of music, which is true. His whole family moved from South Africa to America to pursue his dream of music. So there's this guy. He's a UFC fighter. His name is Tariqus Du Plessis. Du Plessis I think his name is. And he's a South African guy, white guy, right? And he was saying, he goes, I wanna be the first African champion, right? And he's basically taking a shot at Izzy. He's taking a shot at Kumaru Usman and he's taking a shot at Francis and Ghanu. Is he of darker hue? No, he's a white guy.  That belt went to America. That other belt went to New Zealand. The other belt went to France.  I breathe African air. I work out in Africa. I do all my stuff. I'm an, I will be the first like African champion. Were you born in it though? No, he is. He's born and raised in South Africa.  I mean, he's South African. What can you say? I mean, it's great trolling though.  But that's American though. That's great.  That's an African. Yeah, he's South African. That's an African. That's an African telling a black. That's an African. I don't even know what would you call, would Izzy be considered black? What do you mean? Izzy is black. No, no, no, black is an American thing. He's not from America. No, but he's race, his race is black. Izzy. So where is Izzy from? Well, he lives in New Zealand, but he's from Nigeria. Oh yeah. Okay. But most Nigerians want to be called Nigerian. But it's changed in recent years though, because of the new generation that's here in America. I think we're all so confused with nationality, with race, with ethnicity. How would you know what I'm talking about? We're a little confused. We're a little confused. We're a little confused. If you're from Nigeria, you say I'm from Nigeria. If you're from Ghana, you say I'm from Ghanaian. Yeah. And you know what? Exactly, you know what I'm talking about. Yes, yes, yes. But your race is still black. Here in America. And where you're from, for example, when we say we're American, the United States of America, but Canadians can go I'm North American, Mexicans can go I'm North American. They are. Because they're part of the kind of North America. So the continent of Africa is Nigeria's in the continent of Africa, South Africa's in the continent of Africa. All those people get to be African. You know what we should do? Pull up a African census. Pull up a South African census. See what it looks like, see what it says. Pull up a South African census. But, but, but, but, but, but, but. For what? For what? To see what it says, to see what they call themselves. We use the terms black, we use the terms white. See what it says in the South Africa. Oh yeah, you're right. You know what I mean? They call themselves... I'm just saying, I'm just gonna say, we keep saying in black, I keep saying it's an American thing. Yeah, yeah. That's part of the caste system. Or maybe, maybe we look at what they call the minorities there, which would be the white people. So the white people that live in Nigeria, do they call them European Nigerians? I think this is in Florida. Like, you know how we call African American? Do they call white people European Nigerians? No. The whites they're living in Nigeria, do they get called like, like British Nigerians? I don't know. Euro Nigerians? If we call black people in America, African-Americans, what do they do there? Like in China, the white people live in China, are they like American, Chinese? Yeah. A toga? But that's a slur, though, right? A toga. A toga means big-nosed ghosts. But wouldn't that be a slur?  Yeah. Who do you think they're referring to? I'm calling you from that point. Yeah, you a toga. I'm a toga, son. I'm a toga and I'm proud of it. But wouldn't that be considered a slur? Say again? Wouldn't that be considered a slur? I want to know what they're actually called on the... I want to know what they actually... I hear them say it when I'm around. On the census, though? No. No. The census is what matters, bro. Sean, they love the census, bro. So that doesn't matter. If it ain't in the census, it's not real. Because everything else we... Because everything else we're using is slurs. It's on the census? The census is what the government refers us to, refers us as, and the census is what they look at us at. That's true. That's true. Like, that's what we should be looking at, the U.S. census.  All right, Greek. Hold on. Ethnic groups in South Africa. That's not the census, Taylor. Taylor don't know what a census is, okay?  Okay, so scroll up, scroll up, scroll up. Okay, so they say, statistics South Africa asked people to describe themselves in the census in terms of five racial population groups. Black South African, White South African, colored South African, and Indian South African.  Mixtra. Mixtra. Oh. That Trevor Noah. Okay, okay, okay. That Trevor Noah. And then they have another category which is unspecified or other, but that had negative responses. So there's Zulu, there's, I think this is, so, X-H-O-S-A is, so. This way it gets interesting though because they have the term, right? Black, indigenous South Africans. Black people of South Africa, but they're not culturally or linguistically, what's that word? Where is it? Say it. Homogeneous. Homogeneous, homogenous. Yeah, homogenous. Homogenous. Homogenous. But the major ethnic parts of the group are, and I'm not even going, I can only pronounce Zulu, salute to all the black people and white people around the world, man. Jesus Christ. Yo, shout out to the blacks and the whites, bro. We need unity between the two. Man, shout out to the gays, man. Yo, shout out to the gays. Ba-la-la-la-la-la-la-la-la-la-la-la-la-la-la-la-la-la-la. What? Diplo. What's up? Sometimes you gotta get up in that giggy hole and start screaming. There's a Diplo question since sexuality. Diplo question since sexuality after revealing he'd receive oral pleasure. Yo, shout out to Diplo, bro. For me, getting a blow job, he said that's not gay. Now, the way he said it was fiery. Let's hear it. I'm gonna blow job from a guy before. You're sure that's happened? Yeah. And you just don't remember? I mean. You're not committing to it, but you're saying you're sure it happened. For sure. But you don't have a specific memory of it. Like, I don't know if it's gay unless you like make eye contact while there's a blow job happening. That's such a straight guy thing to say. But it's, I mean, getting a blow job is not that gay, I think. I don't know. You tell me. But we're about to talk about what we're talking about. The Rizz is strong within this one right here. Because this is a serious podcast, okay?   And the girl was just like, word? I probably respected the honesty. She respected the honesty. But she was so Rizz, moistened up. But you know why? Because everybody is like this, they're on this whole toxic masculinity kick. And I guess this would be the opposite of toxic masculinity, you know what I mean? People are so against toxic masculinity that what they call toxic masculinity. So a man saying, I got hit from a guy before. I don't think that's gay. How casual he said, he said, I probably got hit from a dude. Like he don't even remember. Damn.  Why he actually don't remember, bro? Don't get no mediocre from a man. But that's also tiptoeing into it, right?   I don't even know. And then Shorty was super Rizz by that. Shorty was super Rizz. You didn't see, watch how she's smiling at the idea of a man giving him throat. Oh, what's up Rizz? She's stuttering. She's stuttering. That's not why she was stuttering. She was stuttering, bro. That's not what she said.  She was stuttering because she knew I'm about to go viral. Yeah. That's what that was. That was, oh my God, I just got a moment. Diplo just admitted that he got head from a man. This is about to go. Shout out Diplo. That's what that was. Shout out Diplo. Shout out down low, yo. That's a new level of Rizz. That's how you gotta Rizz up these Shorties from now on. Yo, can I get your number, man? I'm tired of this dude cracking my back, bro.  I need some vaginas.  No, it isn't. Yes, it is. That is actually a pizza. That is the pure definition of gay.  Same-sex relations.  You are jaded, bro. We changing all the words now?   What is it? What is that?    Gay means deliver. That makes you happy now. Exactly.  I'm old school.  And that's fine. You got a hand from another guy. That's his thing. Times change, bro.  Lorraine, for real, man.  God, Lee! What? God damn! Marco Polo! Marco Polo!  Oh my gosh. What's Young Miami got to say about this? I didn't see it. What else? I didn't see it. I haven't seen BMF. I didn't see that episode. I didn't see the scene. Not everybody's talking about it. Yeah, exactly. I ain't telling. Not everybody's talking.  That's important stuff. I was Diplo remembered, yo.  He's hurt because that was one of his worst suck-offs.   Clearly not. It's cap, bro. He don't even remember this. It's cap.  Real talk. But that is the way you raise up shorties from now on. What else we got, Taylor? Keep that up. I can't wait to tell my wife what used to happen to me. Yeah. Hell yeah. I can't wait to tell my wife. What happened? Yo, you didn't know, Charlotte? What? Yo, remember when I said 500 bodies last episode?  I didn't say which gender them bodies were, my boy.  You know what I mean?  Your boy was out here. Okay. Your boy was out here. This is pumping. You know what I mean? We live in an era where people don't know whether you're telling the truth or not. It's just gonna be on Reddit with a five-second clip. What? Yeah. This could be a five-seventh clip.   You're Diplo. I'm Diplo. You're Diplo.  I'm Diplo. Yeah, Diplo.  What's wrong with that? I'm not...  How can I be homophobic? O.J. I'm not black. I'm O.J.  I'm Diplo. You wanna pay some bills? Yeah. Let's pay some bills, man. Bro. See? Bring me this podcast, baby. Yo, you know what? If you trying to get ahead from a dude for the first time, make sure that you're fully, you know, bonered up. Make sure that your boner's going absolutely crazy. You might be nervous if you just trying to get the throw for the first time from a homeboy, you know what I mean? From a guy, just Todd. Todd coming through. That's a good point, yo. You might be nervous and you might not be full mass. You might be curious, but you might be nervous so the blood ain't flowing down there the way it needs to. So you might need the assist. You might need that John Stockton. If you trying to get that John Stockton, right? Blue Chew has got your back. Yo, what if Blue Chew says they don't want us to do the ad like this? Wouldn't that be homophobic? How can I be homophobic? I'm tippo. But in all seriousness, Blue Chew has got your back. If you really trying to, I can't even talk. If you're really trying to, if you're really trying to be out there, okay? Getting full boners.  Blue Chew has got your back, okay? All right? It's got your girl's back.  It's got all the, it's the best bonus you've ever had in your life. Listen, same active ingredients as Viagra Sea House, but this is the chewedest one that we rock with. This one that you rock with when you want to explore your sexuality. Now I'm saying. My point is, my point is you're going to get your first month free. BlueChew.com, okay? Make sure you use the promo code idiots.  Let's get back to the show. Hey, we got some church announcements. Bam, bam, bam! Bam, bam, bam! No church announcements. No, no, no. Shout out, I'm going to be out there in Calgary in August. August 27th, I'm going to do the great outdoors fest. That's going to be absolutely insane.  TheAndrusholes.com, that's going to be nuts. I just want to tell all of y'all, man. First of all, I want to say thank you to everybody who's been getting tickets for the first ever Black Effect podcast festival happening April 22nd in Atlanta at Pullman Yards. I got to thank y'all because at the rate we're selling tickets, we're absolutely going to sell out. So thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, man. Make sure you go to Event Right to get your tickets. We got some of your favorite podcasts that are going to be on stage live. 85 South Show, Horrible Decisions, The Big Facts podcast, Reasonably Shady podcast, Checking In podcast, just to name a few. We got music by my man Louis V. He's going to be providing the soundtrack. We got food. We're going to have food vendors out there. They're going to have merchandise out there. So all of these podcasts that you love, they'll have their merchandise in the Black Effect marketplace. We got The Business of Podcasting panel. Alex Media is on that along with Weezy and Tesla and Figaro is on that panel. Dolly Bishop, the president of Black Effect is on that panel. I forgot who else is on that panel, but... Go check that out. That's important. If you're a young podcaster, I think that's really important to check that out. Yes. So go to EventRight.com to get your tickets. Go to BlackEffect.com for more information, man. But thank you April 22nd. And we're going to do an after party too because you know that's Fight Night, baby. That's the night Ryan Garcia fights Gervante Davis. Thank you. And you know it's all hosted by me and Jess Hilarious. So join us, man. April 22nd, first ever Black Effect podcast festival. Amazing. In Atlanta, Georgia at Pullman Yards. And I want to shout out radio, man. I want to shout out radio. We was looking at a... It was an article that came out this week and Inside Radio and According to Nielsen and a historic first radio beats television among 18 to 49 year olds. And there was an article that came out a couple of weeks ago that asked the question, can network radio overcompensate for cable TV's declining reach? And the new research says yes. So that article that came out a couple of weeks ago, the numbers that came out this week proved that they were right because in a historic first radio beat television among 18 to 49 year olds.  Come to radio, come to podcast, okay? We are where the audience resides. New study claims that reusable water bottles hold more bacteria than a toilet seat. Do you care? Show us. No. No, I don't care. As you pick your nose. I don't care. I don't use reusable water bottles, yo. I do like pick my nose. But I don't use reusable water bottles because they're disgusting. I agree. What is a reusable water bottle? It's like the people wear the, you know, the Nal-G or whatever those things. Plastic water bottles you fill. Yeah. I do that all the time. I buy a new plastic water bottle every single time I buy water. I know this hurts the environment in certain ways.  Yo, and can I tell you? I'm not bounding you up for that. I didn't pick my nose with my fist. I just picked with this one thing. I believe in climate change. Oh, not climate change.  I believe in saving the planet. But we can't. From who? Us. Yeah, that's exactly Chris. Us. You have four kids. You're not caring that much.  When the earth decides to rebel, the earth ain't looking, that's an adult. That's a child. That's not happening. Oh, they're going Thanos. They're earth is Thanos. It's a bye. Blip. Half of all existence, that's not happening. But I do that though because when I'm in the gym working out, because I got a home gym. Okay. I just use the same water bottle. Same, I go get the water bottle. And it's not even one you buy from the store.  Whatever I drink last, I just fill it up again. That's the worst thing to do. Really? Yeah, bro. You got to chill with that.  That's horrible. That's how you catch it.  What is it? The BPA? Stop using straws, bro. No, no, no. Turtles don't get affected by straws. You know how you do that? This is how you do that. If you want to save the turtles, you want to stop using straws. Go back to using dollar bills to sniff cocaine in your pinky. You know what I'm saying? Why a dollar? You got to use the higher bills. That's a pro tip for climate change.    Why'd they never use the Ninja Turtles for ads?  You know what I'm saying? That'd be fire. They fight back. Snapping turtles. Snap back, bro.    You think male snapping turtles complain about head from female snapping turtles? Oh, all the time. That's one of the biggest complaints. You haven't been on their Reddit? Yeah. Male snapping turtles have a insane Reddit. Talk about how these girls be using beak like crazy. Yeah, man, come on, man. Who doesn't do foreplay? Turtles? Oh, you just think they just get to smashing? There was that one turtle, Alejandro, which like single-handedly brought back his entire species. Did you see that? No. There's one turtle, he was like 100 years old or something like that and they put him on the island.   I think it's Alejandro, obviously Mexican. There, look him up. Or Diego or something like that. Look it up, 100%. Not even his name. Look it up, look it up. Turtle that saved the turtles. Turtle that saved the turtles.  You gonna see?  It wasn't the Italians. It was Diego dicking down bitches. It wasn't the Italians. It was the fucking... The turtle that saved his species from extinction. Bam, bam, bam. Damn. Yeah. 900 offspring. 900! 900! Nick Cannon a turtle, bro. That's nuts. God, damn. What else we got, Taylor Gang? Come on. We running through the week, baby. Taylor. All right. What else we got? What you mean? Do people really care to... I mean, that's always gonna be amazing. This is hilarious, no, no, no. Colin Kaepernick says he knows his white adopted parents loved him, but they were very problematic things that occurred during his upbringing. Do we have the video that... What's the problematic thing? Do you have the video, Taylor? Play the video with us, Taylor. Man, what? This is... Play the video, Taylor. What's happening, Sharla? What's happening? Play the video, Taylor. Are you off the Colin Kaepernick... No, listen, I've... Colin, what do you mean? What does that mean? What does that mean? What does that mean? I didn't know what that means That's a good question. It's hilarious. Are you losing support for Colin and his efforts? What are Colin's... Here's the thing, I always had support for Colin's initial efforts. His initial efforts was he took a knee because of the police brutality that was happening to unarmed black and brown people. I was always in support of that. At some point, things got derailed when they wouldn't let him back into NFL. Train derailed? That was good. That was good. Chosen it. But no, at some point, things got a little sketchy because it became about him being, I guess, black balled from the NFL. And didn't... As opposed to the protest. Because the issue isn't you and your career. The issue is the protest. Absolutely. I'm still all for him and his efforts to fight police brutality. I never understood the NFL thing, especially being after you point out how problematic you believe the NFL is, comparing the NFL to a plantation, and then still wanting to be in the league. I never understood that. I never understood that. Oh, your hair's not professional.   And those become spaces where it's like, okay, how do I navigate this situation now? But it also has informed why I have my hair long today. The grown-up version of Eve wanted to go back in time and give young Colin a lot of hugs. And I was really moved and saddened by the level of kind of self-awareness that he had to develop at a very young age. We can go back and have it go. Oh my God. A parent didn't like their kid's haircut. Never has happened in history.  That's what your mom's saying to you right now. As a black man. Probably.  Same thing happened. And I don't have white parents. Oh my God.  Especially when I started wearing Chuck Taylor's and Snoop Dogg had that murder case. Boom. When Snoop Dogg had that murder case, my dad had a fit. Oh, you think you snooped up? Oh, you think you snooped up? Oh, no, no, no. He made me, especially when I was getting in trouble in school, he made me cut my hair because for whatever reason, me having a big Afro and wanting to get cornrows and wearing Chuck Taylor's equated to me wanting to be a thug or never be able to get a good job or anything else. Like I don't think that's something that's exclusive to race. Yeah, but when you see everything through the lens of racism, you're gonna find it. And that's what he sees right here. Well, I will say technique, I will say it is slightly through the lens of racism because my parents may have been thinking about how the world would have perceived me. That's what his parents were thinking too. But isn't that racist though? No, they're going, the world is racist.  Yeah, yeah. So it is through the lens of racism. I'm saying it was all through the lens of racism. Yeah, but the parents weren't doing it because they're ignorant racists, which is how he's positioned.  Yeah, they just know that the world looks at those cornrows in a certain way. Now, also, the reason why you want them is because the people that are badass and cool and rebellious in society are the ones wearing them. And when you're a young person, you're trying to find your own identity and you find that by breaking free from those people who are telling you what to do, which are your parents.  I was like- You did have cornrows. Of course I did. Andrew Schultz had cornrows. And you know what my parents said? I seen the picture. Nothing. That's how you know they're racist. They didn't even look out for me.  It don't look the same on white people though. It looked better, right? It don't look intimidating. Like, there's nothing about it that looks like, it looks goofy. It does. Like, eh. That's the beauty of being white. You know what? You probably always showed signs of being a comedian. They always knew you. He's so sane. So when you got the cornrows, it's like, there goes Andrew being and you. It's silly goose.   No. You're out of thug real quick. No, it is. Seriously. It is, yeah. Especially if people don't understand the culture. I think people are just getting to the point where they understand like, all right, that don't mean that a person is thugged out because they got dreadlocks and because they got cornrows. This is really sad because it almost feels like he knows that he, because he's selling a book right here. That's what it is, right? It's a graphic novel. So he's like, he's grifting off of racism and now he's willing to sell his parents out just so he can profit off of racism. That's what this feels like. I don't know if that's his intention but it feels like right now he's willing to call his family that raised him racist so that he can sell graphic novels. Man, if they take the adoption back, how do... Bro! You should be able to do that, bro. You should be able to do that. Nah, you know how it's done, bro. Yeah, I mean, yeah, I wouldn't call that... It's really disappointing, man. I don't, yeah, I wouldn't, I don't know if I would, I don't think that's a, I think all parents have done that.  If you're a black, I definitely know my parents did that to me. Yes. 100%. Yes. But, yeah, man, go get Collins' graphic novel. I don't know, I can't go get his graphic novel. I mean, like, who's reading that? Who, where's the audience for this? It'll probably, it'll probably hit the New York Times best sellers list. Logic. Is that, oh, the rapper? Jesus Christ. Why is logic in the show? I think he would have enjoyed it. Oh, really? He could identify. Oh, poor logic. Look, shout out Logic, man. Okay. Logic wasn't adopted, was he? No, I think his dad is black, his mom is white. But he's, he's bi-racial too. Let's call timeout for a second. I want to call timeout. Oh, Jesus. Running the play just for shoals right now. Okay. All right. Okay. Running the play just for shoals. Yeah, yeah. All right, game back on. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Mexico's president says his country is safer than the US. Keep it up. Keep it up.   Do you know how to say it? Your country's safer than ours. That's crazy right there, right? How often, how often Mexicans get kidnapped when they come here and put in cages? How often does that happen? How often do Mexicans get kidnapped and put in cages when they come to America, president Obrador?  That's crazy right now.  Okay? Is that what you wanted from me? Is that what you wanted? Did you want me? I called Iso, man. Yo, you did call Iso, man. You said, move out the way. He's going to the hole.  That's the president of Mexico. That looked like the president of Ireland. You telling me that, guys, from Mexico?   That motherf***er needs eight hours of sleep. Okay, okay. He got pinto beans under his eyes. Okay, let's talk about it. I love Mexico. Where did Mexicans come from? Mexico. Right? Or no. That seemed like an easy one. I don't know. Hold on, hold on. Shout out Mexico, bro. Mexico, the greatest people. Mexico is really the greatest people, yo. But his president needed to chill the f*** out. Yeah, but I'm not going to Mexico no time soon.  No, they said don't go to Mexico. I'm not going. No, that's hate. That's hate. You got to go to Mexico. I am not going. You going? Taylor, what they going to steal? A metro card? They going to steal Taylor's. What they going to steal, Taylor? I ain't f***ing with it. All I need is one time to be told not to go somewhere and I'm not going. Diddy just put his name in the hat to buy BET. Whoa. He joins the list that includes Byron Allen and Tyler Perry. I'm all for it. Only thing I would say is if you have the money to buy BET, why not just put that money into the network you already own, which is Revolt. You know what I'm saying? Like you already own a television network, Diddy. And I'm listening. I'm all for you owning multiple networks as well. But I don't see you buying BET and then still focusing your energy on Revolt. I'm just saying if you got the money and you got the resources to buy BET, just put more money into Revolt because that's always the thing people say that Revolt don't have no money. So why not put that money into Revolt, get better programming, have more cable providers carry you. I don't know how that works. It just feels weird to go out there and try to grab another network when you already own one. You know? Yeah, I think that makes sense, my bro. That's a good point. I see that there could be some frustration. I think it's a smart play just to put his name in the hat. Exactly. Because now it's like he's with all those other guys.   Yeah, you got news I got news too. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay. Let's do some asking idiots, man. Let's do it, man. Let's do some asking idiots, man.  We don't have any wads, right? No. Jeffrey knows, wants to know, what is an embarrassing moment that happened to you? Are you witness that made you laugh? An embarrassing moment that happened to me that I witnessed that made me laugh. Here's an embarrassing moment. I was hooking up with a girl one time and I was getting that neck. That snapper turtle. That snapper turtle. And then I was enjoying it and I went and I went, hell's yeah. And literally as she goes down on it, I go, hell's yeah. And then she just goes and then she just laughs. She just laughs at me. She goes, did you just say, hell's yeah? And in retrospect, it is the cringiest thing to say when you go ahead. You can say a lot of different things, but you can't go, hell's yeah. Why not? Because you can be like, oh my God. Or you can be like, yeah, like.  No, no, hell's yeah. Hell's not crazy, man. Hell's yeah. Hell's yeah. But you should throw that out to see if a girl's really about that life. Like when a girl's doing it. Right as she goes down to that. Hell's yeah. Hell's yeah. Hell's yeah.  Hell's yeah. Hell's yeah. That's the best way to get ahead. I get it. I haven't gotten embarrassed in a long time. Come on, bro. In a long time. I haven't been embarrassed in a long time. I get embarrassed for other people. Say what? You know, you see somebody else in an embarrassing situation. You love that. Nobody loves As a matter of fact, we were interviewing John Legend and Envy asked John Legend about the top 100 Rolling Stone list, right? So Envy goes, did you see what Areva Franklin had to say about that? Who? Areva Franklin? Areva Franklin. But he said, John, did you see what Areva Franklin said about the Rolling Stone list? And everybody just looked at him and said, Areva Franklin is dead. Oh, so who does he mean? And then he didn't even say Shaka Khan, he goes, no, no, Patty's a pal. Oh, no. And then he goes, no, no, no, no, Stephanie Mills. Then he got the Shaka Khan. So what happened? What'd you do, dude? You didn't let him off the hook. No, that's not. Come on, man. Come on, man. I loved it. But I mean, stuff like that is funny. Pew, pew. I wasn't embarrassed, man. I mean, that list was funny. Wait, what is that? I don't think there's anything to be honest with you. I don't think shame exists anymore. So there's no need to be embarrassed. Who's embarrassed when there's no shame? There's no shame anymore. My bucket is doing anything, anytime they want to. Everything they want to, everywhere they want to. There's no such thing as shame anymore.  I feel like Bow Wow used to get shamed a lot. Yeah, but that? Like every time you would try to front all on and show like that people would shame them. Because he embarrassed.  He kept doing it. You know what I'm saying? He started feeding into it.  I haven't been embarrassed. I'm trying to think when the last time I've genuinely been embarrassed. I really cannot remember, bro. Never? I'm not saying never. Of course, when I was young. But I just can't even remember what that would have been. I've sharded on myself, bro. When? When? When? As a grown-ass adult. When? No. When I was old. I was doing radio in Columbia, South Carolina. Working at how? 1039. I dropped my now wife off at her dorm. She was going to the University of South Carolina.   I just ate some Jamaican. I went to the Jamaican spot the night before called Cool Running.  And I thought, I'ma let a little gas out. No. You know what I'm saying? They always catch you like that. And this tied me over until I get to the crib. And it didn't. And I sharded. And it was bad.  And I just was driving like, yep. You know what I'm saying? It's how it goes sometimes. And the only thing I was hoping was that my next door neighbor at the time, her name was Trees, I was hoping she wasn't, because her and her friends used to sit outside. So I was just hoping that if I pull up, they're not sitting outside. But I already had it planned out. I'ma park somewhere else. If they sitting outside, until it gets dark. I'ma sit there until it gets dark. It was bad.  Like it was bad. What type of pants were you wearing? I had on some black, either Jinko or Nietzsche jeans. And I used to love Joe's. No, Esco. They were black Esco jeans. Remember Nas had a clothing line called Esco?  Now I did feel shame when I took them to the cleaners. You didn't just burn them, bro? No. I took them to the cleaners. But I never went back for them. That's fine. That's how I know I was ashamed. I took them to the cleaners, but never went back for them.  That's true too. Nobody knew me back then. Not like that. It was great. Not like that. You didn't go to the cleaners regularly, I don't think. Oh. Yeah. I just felt too ashamed, because the way he looked at them when I took them in. He smelled them every day. Now when you put them on the counter, he was like, oh, you know what I mean? Can I ask you a question? Did you finish the shit? Oh, in the car.  He might as well, yeah.      Oh no. No, it was bad. It was bad. It was bad. It was bad. Just when you didn't have no money to really do interior cleaning of your car. Yeah. So that smell was in there for a while. No. I go, wow. Did your wife smell? Oh yeah. What's that smell? I'm like, I don't know.  No. No, no, no, no, no.  Yeah.  You don't care no more.   Really? Yeah, yeah. And I was like almost at my friend's house and I was so close.    No, you see why babies do it. Like if you would walk around liberating. Come on, man. Yeah. It's something to it. It's great. You never done it as an adult. If you done it as an adult, you'll know what we mean.  You don't care.  You'll never have shame again.  Shit on yourself, yo. I'll appeal on myself, yeah. I mean, that's in the bed, though. You do that in the bed. You're too tired to get up. I'm not going to lie, yo.   I don't know if it's a dream or not. What?   I'm feeling like I'm groundhogging in my dreams.   Shit the bed. I didn't tell you this? No. I'm in Paris with my wife having romantic weekends. Okay? I wake up.  I said, babe, you got your period. I said, babe, you got your period. Go downstairs and clean your period off of the sheets.  Oh, you got a two-story joint? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay. And I go, wake up. She goes, I don't think I'm a period. I go, you got your period.   It's going to be embarrassing. We in this hotel, they're going to have to clean. I went downstairs and I'm walking downstairs. My underwear felt mad cold. I'm like, why does my underwear feel so cold? And I go downstairs and I take them off to get in the shower.   I said, baby. We know what happened. What happened?  That's what that was. Like, before you let wifey do the main will be. Damn. You think that's what happened? She gave me that Eiffel Tower? You got changed. She gave me that Eiffel Tower? Is that what happened?  Yeah, dude. Let's do one more, man. I got to get out of here. Let's see what else we got. Oh, what place have you not been that is still in your bucket? Oh, so many. I mean, it's so many. Well, there's a few. I'm going to one next month. Can you tell her now? No, I tell y'all after the fact. I know how I do. Because my doctor said I need to take a vacation a month to reduce stress levels. So I'm going to do that. And, you know, I vacationed a lot. But Duvall called me yesterday.  You know what I'm saying? Because life is short. Why'd he say that? Probably everything that's going on with our good brother, Clay, Slut the Clay. No, what's up with Clay? I'll tell you after the pot. But yeah, Slut the Clay. But I'm going somewhere next month. But I want to go to Bali. Oh, yeah. You know? I want to go to Japan. I've never been to Japan. I know a lot of people have already been to these places. But really, Bali and Japan are probably the two places I really, really, really want to go. Especially Bali. Hell, yeah. What about you? Hells, yeah. Bali would be cool. You haven't been to Bali yet? I've never been. No. No, no. I would like to go to Bali. I'd like to do... I want to go back to Egypt. I want to see the pyramids again. I want to go to Egypt. I haven't seen the pyramids. I want to go to see the pyramids. Yeah, that was just so amazing. I definitely want to go to Egypt. And I'd like to spend some time in Northwestern America. I'd like to experience... I really liked when I was...  That'd be really cool. I think there's some amazing beauty in America that we kind of take for granted. Yeah. But it'd be cool to spend some time out there. Let's do this last one, because this is a good one. Do you think the art of journalism is dying? That's why I want to know. The art of journalism is dead. Ooh. It's dying. Talk to him. It's been dead. Don't get me wrong. You still have people who are journalists. You know what I mean? Who actually care about the craft of journalism. Like, you know, if they're in music, they actually care about music. If they're on TV, they actually care about news and they actually care about reporting the facts. But the art of journalism is dead because real journalists can't compete with that we're in. Because the area we're in, where anybody can break news via social media, where it doesn't even matter if a story is true, where nobody cares about the truth, if the lie is more entertaining.  Like, whatever the tabloids were doing in the 90s, that was interesting. Everything's become tabloid. In the 80s and the 90s. Everything is like that just in a digital form. And you know, the news journalists were having hard times then.   Like, you can post a real... Like, this is a real headline from this week. True story. I posted it. Real headline. Pentagon officials suggest alien mothership in our solar system could be sending many probes to Earth. New research paper in draft form comes from the Pentagon's all-domain anomaly resolution office. You don't think this would have been a huge story 20 years ago? If something like this was in mainstream news, like, this story is.   Y'all care about who's in the latest celebrity beef. Like, everything has celebrity attached to it. Everything. Like, literally everything. From politics to, you know, religious scandals to these social justice causes people be championing. If celebrities aren't talking about them, if it's not being talked about on Shade Room and TMZ, people truly don't care. So with that, yeah, journalism to me is dead. Interesting. Who's the big journalist? Who's the outlet that you consider journalist? New York Times? Wow. Yeah. That's all I got. I got The Times. Wow. You know? Yeah. And how many times, you can look at, these are very interesting articles that come out in The Times. How many of them go viral weekly? You're right. You're right. What you saying? You're right. I think journalism is dead. That's my opinion. That's all we got, Schultz? Yes, sir. As always, if you think we're smart, you think we're intelligent, you think we're brilliant, you're absolutely right. But if you think we're just a couple of idiots, you don't know shit, you're right too.


Ladies and gentlemen, from one consequential leader to another consequential leader, welcome back Secretary General Darienz to Davos. We are gathered at unprecedented times. And thank you for your unprecedented leadership in these challenging times, Mr. Secretary General. I think the war in Ukraine has put NATO front and center of the discussion on the future of security and stability in Europe. As a result, Finland and Sweden have formally applied to join the Alliance, and next month NATO leaders will meet in Madrid to agree on the strategic priorities for the Alliance for the next decades. It is therefore my great pleasure to invite you to the stage to share with our audience here in Davos and globally your vision on the impact of the war in Ukraine and the long-term implications on the world of strategic competition. Welcome Mr. Secretary General. Many thanks, Burger. It's great to be back here in Davos and to see you all in person after two years without this gathering. For half a century, the World Economic Forum has brought the global community together to exchange ideas, insights and solutions on some of the world's most important difficult problems. Today, we need the spirit of Davos even more. NATO-Putin's war on Ukraine has shattered peace in Europe. It is really a game-changer, not just for European security, but for the global order. NATO has two fundamental tasks in response to Russia's aggression, providing support to Ukraine and preventing the war from escalating. For many years, NATO and NATO Allies have supported Ukraine, in particular the United States, Canada, the United Kingdom and also Turkey. Providing equipment and training for tens of thousands of Ukrainian soldiers. We see the difference this is making every day on the battlefield. With this Russia's invasion, we have significantly stepped up our support. With billions of dollars of weapons and other assistance to help Ukraine uphold its right to self-defense, enshrined in the UN Charter. NATO's main responsibility is to protect all Allies and prevent this war from escalating, causing even greater death and destruction. We may have been shocked by Russia's brutal invasion, but we should not be surprised. This invasion was one of the best-predicted acts of military aggression ever. In NATO, we shared intelligence, and we made the intelligence public for many months to warn about Putin's plans. Russia's attack on Ukraine is part of a pattern over many years, where Moscow uses military force to achieve its political aims. The destruction of Rosny, the invasion of Georgia, the annexation of Crimea, the bombing of Aleppo, and now the war in Ukraine. Since the first invasion of Ukraine in 2014, NATO has been adapting and preparing. With increased defence spending and invested in modern capabilities. We deployed combat-ready battle groups in the east and part of our lines for the first time in our history. We increased the readiness of our forces and established new defence domains, including space and cyberspace. When Russia invaded Ukraine again this year, NATO was ready. We deployed additional forces to the east of our lines. Today we have over 40,000 troops under direct NATO command, backed by significant air and naval assets. We doubled the number of multinational battle groups from the Baltic to the Black Sea. And we have 100,000 troops on high alert, ready to respond to any aggression and defend every inch of NATO territory. This is the Terrence, to remove any room for misunderstanding or miscalculation in Moscow. Not to provoke a conflict, but to prevent the conflict and preserve peace. Last December, President Putin presented an ultimatum to NATO. He demanded a legally binding treaty to rewrite security architecture in Europe, to re-establish spheres of influence, to force NATO to withdraw from the east and part of our lines, and to end NATO enlargement. He wanted less NATO on his borders and launched a war. Now he is getting more NATO on his borders and more members. Finland and Sweden's decision to apply for NATO membership is historic. It demonstrates that European security will not be dictated by violence and intimidation. All allies agree that NATO enlargement has been a great success, spreading freedom and democracy across Europe. So I am confident that we will be able to find a way to address all Allies' security concerns and welcome NATO's closest partners into our family of free nations. In the meantime, NATO is vigilant in the Baltic Sea region. Allies have increased their presence. We have stepped up exercises and deployments, and for the first time ever, a U.S. and amphibious ready group has been placed under NATO command. Finland and Sweden's membership would also strengthen the close bond between NATO and the European Union. European security and transatlantic security are deeply intertwined. Today, close to 600 million Europeans live in NATO. And 93% of the EU population is protected by NATO. The ever closer coordination between NATO and the European Union has been critical for dealing with the current crisis. As you just heard from Ursula von der Leyen, NATO Allies and the European Union have imposed unprecedented sanctions on Putin's war machine. Countries from Switzerland to South Korea have joined us and also applied sanctions. And hundreds of international companies have pulled out of Russia. These massive sanctions remind us of one of the important lessons from this conflict. That we should not trade long-term security needs for short-term economic interests. The war in Ukraine demonstrates how economic relations with authoritarian regimes can create vulnerabilities, overreliance on the import of key commodities like energy, risks created by exporting advanced technologies like artificial intelligence. And weakened resilience caused by foreign control over critical infrastructure like 5G. This is about Russia, but also about China. Another authoritarian regime that does not share our values and that undermines the rules-based international order. Social trade has undoubtedly brought great prosperity. I and many of us here today, including Bergen Brenda, have worked hard to promote a more globalised economy. But we must recognise that our economic choices have consequences for our security. Government reform is more important than free trade. The protection of our values is more important than profit. At the NATO summit in Madrid next month, NATO leaders will make bold decisions to continue to strengthen and adapt our lines for this more dangerous and competitive world. The conflict in Ukraine has underlined the importance of Europe and North America standing together in NATO, and are working with our like-minded partners around the world to defend our values and promote peace and prosperity. In the spirit of Davos, I count on you too. Thank you. Thank you very much, Secretary General. I just wanted to follow up on your last points related to values. I think you said something to the effect of that we have to be willing to face the realities and pay a price for our freedom. What have you done in the past in hindsight that you would have done differently, and how will this affect future policy? Are you addressing the Nord Stream 2 indirectly? Yes, not only indirectly, but directly. I think we all have learned a lesson that, of course, and you and I, we have actually been active in the Western politics, arguing heavily and strongly in favour of free trade agreements, integration with the European Union, globalization of the economy, and more global trade and more global economy, free trade has brought a lot of prosperity and wealth to all of us. But the problem is that it has a price. Because some of this trade, some of this economic interaction with authoritarian regimes is undermining our security. And then we have to choose security instead of vulnerability and over-reliance on authoritarian regimes. So this idea that we should have free trade in natural gas, meaning we can buy as much gas from Russia as we want, that's wrong. It's dangerous. It provides Russia with a tool to intimidate and to use against us. And that has been clearly demonstrated now. I regret to say it. Because I remember back in the 1990s, I was minister of energy in Norway, we actually thought that we could expand the European gas market with supplies from Norway, from North Africa and from Russia together. Trade with China, of course, there are huge benefits and I'm not arguing against trading with China, but I'm saying that, for instance, the control over 5G networks is of vital security importance. And we cannot say that in the interest of profits and free trade, we just opened up those networks also for suppliers that actually are not reliable when it comes to our security. And then the more NATO's technological edge that we have always been in command of the best and most advanced technologies has been fundamental for our security. And now we see new and disruptive technologies, artificial intelligence, quantum computing, autonomous systems. This is integrated into all the new modern weapons systems. And if you just share that technology, we may earn some money, but we will also undermine our security. And therefore, freedom is more important than free trade and protecting values is more important than profits. That's a lesson I think we all have to take into account and meaning that it has to impact the way we organize our economies. Thank you. Secretary General, you also said that what Putin got as a result of his war on Ukraine was more NATO. Is this developing into, like, a Vietnam war situation for Mr. Putin? Do you think he regrets this? I'm not speculating about his feelings, but he made a big strategic mistake. Because actually, I thought, I believe that one of the purposes, one of the stated purposes actually with this invasion of Ukraine was to get less NATO on Russia's borders. And in the legally binding treaty, President Putin and Russia sent to NATO in December, I want us to sign, it was clearly stated, no more NATO enlargement. And now he gets more NATO enlargement. And he has not achieved his strategic goals in Ukraine. The plan was to take Kiev to decapitate the government and to control the country. He has been forced to withdraw his forces from Kiev and the north of the country. Russian forces have been pushed out of the Kharkiv region and offensive in Donbas is moving very slowly. I'm not predicting the outcome of this war. No one can do that. But I'm only saying the obvious thing, that Russia did not achieve its goals in Ukraine. This plan was a short military operation. It's a long, costly war for Russia. We welcome the fact that Finland and Sweden have applied for NATO membership. I'm confident that we will be able to address the concerns that have been expressed and that we will be able then to welcome Finland and Sweden as members of our alliance. Just to follow up, Secretary General, on Finland and Sweden to contrast it, you know very well and was neighbors of Norway where you were prime minister for a decade. You're saying you're welcoming them and I think that's very welcomed in Stockholm and Helsinki, but not in Ankara. So how will you solve the challenge from Mr. Erdogan? I spoke with President Erdogan on Saturday and we have also seen all the public statements. Turkey has expressed concerns related to terrorism, to their security interests. And then we have to do what we always do in NATO and that is to sit down and address concerns when allies express concerns. And I'm confident that we will be able now, as we've done so many, many times before in NATO, to find a way to solve these issues and to agree and then to welcome Finland and Sweden as full-fledged members of our alliance. I know Finland and Sweden well as a Norwegian. They will contribute to our collective defence, to our shared security. It will be in particular important for the Baltic region. But let me also highlight that, or say that I also recognise the importance of addressing the concerns that Turkey has raised. Turkey is an important ally. Their strategic geographic location is important for the whole alliance, bordering Iraq and Syria. Key in the fight against ISIS, Daesh, Black Sea Nation, close to Russia in the Black Sea. And then of course we have to remember that no other NATO ally has suffered more terrorist attacks than Turkey and no other NATO ally holds more refugees than Turkey. So we have to sit down and find a way forward and I'm confident that we'll do so. In the meantime, we need to make sure that we also address some of the concerns that Finland and Sweden has raised about this interim period. And that's the reason why we also have now increased our presence in the Baltic region and amphibious ready group on the NATO command and more presence in that region of Europe. Thank you. You also said, Secretary General, that of course you cannot predict the outcome of the war in Ukraine. I think many participants at Davos also will ask themselves the question, can this end in the full-fledged war between Russia or a NATO? NATO allies and NATO provide support to our valued partner, Ukraine. As we have done actually for many years since 2014, stepped up now of course. But our core responsibility is to protect and defend all NATO allies and therefore we need to make sure that this brutal, heinous war doesn't escalate to a full-fledged war in Europe between NATO and Russia. And that's the reason why we made it clear that we will support Ukraine to uphold the right for self-defense enshrined in the UN Charter, but NATO will not be part of the war. We will not send in NATO troops on the ground and be directly involved in the war. Support, yes, but not be directly involved. And also the reason why we so significantly have increased our presence, military presence, especially in the eastern part of the Alliance. There are 30% more U.S. troops in Europe now. We have 40,000 troops on the direct NATO command in the eastern part of the Alliance, significantly increased over the last months since the invasion, and we have significant air-enabled presence. As this is not to provoke, this is to make sure that there is no room for any miscalculation in Moscow about NATO's readiness to protect every NATO ally, so they don't think about attacking a Baltic country or another NATO ally. As long as they are absolutely certain that the whole of NATO will come to the defense of any ally, one for all, the core idea of NATO, then they will not attack. So then we are preventing war and preserving peace. And that's the reason why we have strengthened our deterrence to preserve peace. Thank you. Last question. We just heard the President of the European Commission Ursula von der Leyen talk about Europe's and EU's response to the war by unity and support. How do you feel about the prospects for a closer cooperation between NATO and the EU on security and defence matters moving forward? I strongly believe in cooperation between the European Union and NATO and Ursula von der Leyen and I. We meet regularly. I meet President Charles Michel. We meet at different levels and in different ways, and I'm proud that since 2014 we have been able to lift NATO-EU cooperation to unprecedented levels. And when Finland and Sweden joins, 96% of the people living in the European Union, they believe in a NATO country protected by NATO. And 96% of EU territory will be NATO territory. So we share much of the same population, we share the same neighbourhood, we share the same challenges. Of course, it makes all reason to work closely together NATO and the European Union. And we also see during this crisis how EU has been instrumental in many ways, providing support, imposing sanctions and then also coordinating closely with NATO Allies, the United States, the United Kingdom and others. And also welcome EU efforts on defence. Because as Ursula von der Leyen just mentioned, for instance the fragmentation of the European defence industry is a problem for Europe and for NATO. In the United States there are many battle tanks and one type. In Europe we have quite few battle tanks and nine different types. No economic scale, a lot of extra costs for maintenance, education and so on. And this is the case on almost every capability. That is too much fragmentation. So the European Defence Fund, PESCO, all these initiatives by the European Union will have to provide new capabilities, will have to overcome the fragmentation of the European defence industry and will hope for also help to increase defence spending. That is something NATO has asked for for many years. We very much welcome it. The only thing we have to make sure is that the EU efforts do not compete with NATO or duplicate NATO. Because NATO will remain the cornerstone for European security. This is about resources. 80 percent, 80 percent of NATO's defence expenditure come from non-EU NATO Allies. It's about geography, Norway and Iceland in the north, Turkey in the south and in the west, the United States, Canada and the United Kingdom. They are of course critical for the defence of Europe and it's about politics. Because any attempt to divide Europe and North America will not only weaken NATO, it will divide Europe. So we need Europe and North America to get the NATO, strong terms and anti-bond, working together with the European Union. Thank you very much, Secretary General. Thank you for your leadership and thank you for being here.