Welcome to Books, Books, Books. I'm your host, Mihaila Stoops, and today we're talking about dictionaries, more precisely about the dictionary of ecological economics. My guest is Barry Solomon. He co-authored and co-edited this dictionary with Brent Haddad. Am I saying the name right, Barry? Yes. Thank you. And Barry is a professor emeritus in geography and environmental policies at Michigan Technological University. And Barry has been here on island in Maui living full time since 2015. And we're definitely happy to have him on the show and on island. Thank you for coming, Barry. Yeah, glad to be here and glad to have this conversation about our dictionary. Well, and we're gonna start this conversation predictably with trying to define what ecological economics means. Well, to understand ecological economics, you have to start with conventional economics. If you look in standard textbooks of economics, they typically show a circular flow diagram between consumers and producers. Where's the environment? It's usually absent. If anything, the environment is an afterthought or something external to the workings of the economy, sometimes called an externality or pollution is a good example of an externality, something that's an unintended side consequence. Ecological economics in contrast takes the assumption that the economy is actually a subsystem of the biosphere that we can't have an economy if we didn't have nature, if we didn't have energy and natural resources that provide input to economic systems. And of course, as we manufacture and make things that people wanna consume, we end up with a lot of waste and pollution going back into the environment. So ecological economics recognizes that the economy has to be closely tied to the biosphere ecosystems not separate from that. And this is a newer term. As a matter of fact, the stop title of the dictionary is terms for a new millennium. So it is something rather new even in the academia. Yes, ecological economics was founded as a formal field in the late 1980s. Before that, there was a professor named Herman Daley who wrote some books about the steady state economy. The idea that the economy can't and shouldn't grow forever instead it maybe it's desirable to try to get to some eventual steady state. And that ties in with what we often refer to as sustainability and sustainable development. So Herman Daley and some of his students and others decided to form this new field in the late 1980s because they saw conventional economics as failing and its fundamental mission and fundamentally focusing too much on economic growth as the be all and end all, which is impossible to do forever in a finite planet. So everybody has heard and used the term sustainability. It's used a lot more than ecological economics. Am I missing a nuance there where why would I say ecological economics rather than economics with sustainability? Well, ecological economics tries to be what we call transdisciplinary to link economics and ecology more directly together in terms of systems, right? Sustainable development and sustainability has over a hundred different definitions. And in our dictionary, we have a lot of different definitions of sustainable energy, sustainable transportation, sustainable cities and so on and so forth because people use these terms in the field. But ecological economics focuses primarily on the interrelationships between ecology and economics most directly and to try to get beyond the traditional blinders we have of focusing on only one discipline at a time. So are the terms related? Absolutely, but they're not really the same thing. I see. Now, the dictionary has over 1,100 words that are defined and there's context and there's correlations with other words as well.  Why these 1,100 words? Why not more? Why not less? Well, we had to do a pretty massive literature search of the field. There's certain scholarly journals in ecological economics. The main one is just called that, the ecological economics journal. And there's a lot of books in the fields as well. So we had to do a keyword search of a lot of the key journals and books in the field. And from that, we narrow down the terms to the ones that were showing up the most, sort of like a content analysis of the literature, if you will. And this is a very tedious process actually because there's a lot of related terms kind of at the margins. So if you work in ecological economics, do you have to be an expert on ecology as well as economics, for example? Not necessarily overall, but in certain areas of those fields, you need to know quite a bit. So there's some basic terminology in economics and ecology that anyone working in this field should be familiar with as well. So we included those kinds of terms in the dictionary. And when we went through the process of actually writing the definitions and inviting other experts from around the world to contribute, many of them suggested terms that we hadn't thought of. And we considered those on a case-by-case basis. Some we included, some we didn't. And there were some new terms. Any field evolves. And so there's some new terms that haven't been used in the field a lot. And there's also some terms that are maybe popular at the beginning of the field that aren't used as much today that we include. So inevitably you're gonna get some words and terms. And when I say words and terms, some of the things in the dictionary are two or three words together. So they're not just single words, right? And so you'll find a range of terminology and phrases in the dictionary. Some that are very commonly used and some less so. So we had to inevitably use our judgment on what belongs and what doesn't based on what people are actually doing in this field and to best represent the field. And when I say the field, I don't mean just in the United States, I mean around the world as well. Ecological economics is very popular in Europe. There's societies in Canada, South America, East Asia and so on. So it's really a worldwide association of people working in this field. So how many scientists and maybe linguists have you consulted all together to or participated in this effort and were they most of them from US and were most of the words, let's say when they were, some of these words are brand new. It's a new area in a way. So I assume that at some point somebody came up with a word to describe something and was that word in English or was it in another language? Right. So most of the words are in English or start in English but there's a few that were more common in French and Spanish and that had to be translated.  I haven't looked at the list recently but my guess is maybe about half of them were from the United States and the other half were from other countries. We didn't really consult with any linguists or the dictionary. We didn't think that was necessary but we made sure to get a very wide range of people who are working in this field because we didn't wanna ignore some terms or phrases that maybe are more popular in Europe than in the United States. Like there's one called industrial political ecology for example, don't ask me what that means but that's more popular phrase in France than in the United States. So you did not write the definition for that term, somebody else? Not for that one. And you asked about new terms, one very popular word in the dictionary that was new at some point is ecosystem services. It's very popular research topic around the world but at some point that was brand new. It's parallel to the idea of economic services, the service sectors that we have and the conventional view of an economy. So you can think of services provided by nature from ecosystems, natural resources, forest, marshes and so on. So obviously the desire to go through such a laborious project comes from your passion for the environment and environmental policies. And you previously worked for the Environmental Protection Agency and the US Department of Energy. Am I right? Is this what gave you the idea and the passion to go through with this and compile this dictionary? Yeah, absolutely. I've worked in the field of ecological economics for let's see about 25 years and it's been more or less recognized as a field for about 35 years. So as I said, it started in the late 1980s officially. There's an international society for ecological economics that was founded at a meeting at the World Bank in Washington DC in 1990. And I actually founded the US Society for Ecological Economics about 10 years later at a meeting at University of Maryland College Park. So with a background in geography, geography is also a very interdisciplinary field and it looks at environmental problems as well. Ecological economics has some similarities in terms of being fairly interdisciplinary and even what we call transdisciplinary going beyond the idea of caring that much if ideas or concepts are really coming from a particular discipline or not. It's more focused on problem solving and however is the best approach to address environmental problems. So you mentioned you had to go through a significant body of work to identify which you probably were familiar with most of it I assume because it is your area of expertise but to identify these words that should be included in the dictionary. And my question to you is would artificial intelligence have helped you in this case to pick up these words? Good question. Maybe but we didn't really think about doing that because I know it's a new area and there's some software and technologies that are having some problems with them. So I think we wanted to be a little cautious as far as that goes. The main tool that I use for research is Google Scholar. Google has this system, Google Scholar that quickly identifies all the top published papers and books in a particular subject. And as a professor or emeritus professor, I have access to all the research articles. If I can't get a PDF of them quickly I can get them on interlibrary loan without a fee. Books are a little different. You have to order the books or technically I can get them on interlibrary loan but going from Michigan to Hawaii that might be a little more cumbersome. So we use the more traditional way of researching the field to figure that out. And that works fairly well. And of course I had a lot of help from my co-editor Brent Haddad who's at the University of California, Santa Cruz and their environmental studies department. So why, if somebody like me, not an expert in the area comes across one of these terms in an article and wants to find out what it means, would they go to this dictionary or would they just Google it and see what comes up? Yeah, that's a really good question. Well, you can certainly find things by Googling it but you may not find exactly what you're looking for and you may not know that you didn't get what you really want. See, because a lot of the terms in a dictionary like this have multiple definitions. They might be defined differently in ecology and economics. Take the term resilience. Resilience is very important in natural systems for recovery, say a coastal area from a storm or something like that, but you can also refer to economic resilience or urban resilience, recovering after some natural disaster that affects an ecosystem or a pandemic, if you will, right? So the term resilience might be used three, four, five, six different ways. So if that's the case in ecological economics, we wanna show all of the different definitions, not just one and we'll point out if it's defined differently in economics or ecology. There's also terms that we might use in the dictionary here that have other definitions that are not really relevant to the dictionary. And if that's the case, we chose not to include them in the dictionary. Some examples of that might be demand, sources, things and transparency. Sources and things, for example, in say in global climate change, a source of greenhouse gas emissions would be combustion of fossil fuels, burning of forest. Those would be considered sources of carbon dioxide emissions. And sinks is where they end up. Do they end up on the soil and the ocean in the ground and so on? But there's, of course, other definitions of sources and sinks that aren't really relevant. So we're not gonna put every definition only the ones that are relevant to people working in this field. So who are the professionals or the people that could really use this dictionary? Right, well, there are some academic programs in ecological economics, not a lot, but certainly courses in this are taught in many universities in the US as well as other countries. So in Hawaii, for example, there's no degree program in ecological economics, but there's several professors and natural resources fields at University of Hawaii, Manoa, who would be very interested in this dictionary. Also, there's some other professionals in NGOs, non-government organizations that might be interested. In the case of Hawaii, it would be the nature of conservancy of Hawaii would be an example and another one would be the Hawaii Land Trust. They certainly work with a lot of the concepts and terminology that would be included in a dictionary like this. So we, our language evolves. There's new words and the words that nobody uses anymore. Right. Now, when there is a new word and it's included in a dictionary, it kind of gets validated. Like I'm going to give a very basic example because that's one I know and not one from ecological economics, like a selfie. That's a new word that somebody came up with. We don't know who. And then next thing you know, it's official. We know what that is. How, I mean, do you anticipate that there's going to be new words in this area of expertise as well? Are there some that are just kind of emerging and not validated yet by including them in a dictionary? Yeah. I mean, there's a few terms we use are included in the dictionary that we originally were not planning to but a contributor sort of talked us into it. Gave us examples of where it's used more commonly maybe that we weren't aware of. So, yeah, there are some new terms that are coming along in ecological economics as well. And you asked about artificial intelligence earlier and that would be an area that could have some effect on some new terms. One example there is in artificial intelligence kind of a sub category is called machine learning. This originally started in computer science but it's basically algorithms, the computer programs and models that have been developed to help computers think more intuitively like humans to become more effective problem solvers, right? And so with the emergence of big data and very large data set and a lot of academics like to use big data sets, machine learning can be very useful there. And I've noticed in the last few years in the sciences there's a big increase in that as a research method people are using to pour through a lot of data as well as a related technique called data mining. So that's gonna be used more in ecological economics and then you would end up with some more specialized statistical terms, technical terms related to that that maybe don't seem all that environmental. The thing about ecological economics in terms of methodology is that it's very open minded. The first year that the Journal of Ecological Economics came out, one of the professors from University of California at Berkeley named Dick Norgaard wrote a paper called A Plea for Methodological Pluralism. And what that means is he wanted the field to be very open minded to using a lot of different kinds of methods in the fields and not get kind of constrained as was often the case traditionally in conventional economics and only preferring certain types of models of the economy and not others. Okay, so with methodological pluralism, anything goes to the extent you agree with that. So machine learning is gonna be more commonly used. And something else that is raised by artificial intelligence of course is ethical questions. There's already some ethical and philosophical terms in our dictionary because that's been recognized as important in the field, importance of fairness and equity and the distribution of resources among the rich and the poor within a country and across generations. So as artificial intelligence becomes even more popular, our catch is on, I'd imagine there's gonna be even more use of terms from bioethics and environmental ethics and ecological economics as well. Sort of, you know, firms that maybe are already out there in those other fields but get carried over into ecological economics more. As well as possibly brand new terms. Well, this is very interesting. I speak for myself here that I've learned a lot from you today and there's two takeaways for me. One is, you know, Googling things may not give me the right results, particularly when it's very specific terms that need to be put in a certain context. And secondly, you know, I think this area of expertise, this ecological economics really hit home here in Hawaii where we have to make a lot of economic decisions that affect our environment. And we can all think about, you know, over tourism, the sea level rise issues and many more. So I hope that there will be many professionals in the islands that will be consulting this dictionary and using it to present ideas and generate ideas to solve some of these issues that we're confronted with. One more thing about the dictionary that, you know, the basic dictionary first comes out in a hardcover and it's rather expensive and the commercial publishers of dictionaries like this, they like to see how well it does in the first couple of years and then if it sells enough books, they'll switch from a hardcover to a softcover. But it's also already available in an ebook format, electronic book format through Google Play that's a lot less costly. And if to the extent we update the dictionary that would be the easiest way to do it, the electronic version, because it's already out there on Google Play. Thank you for that clarification. Well, Barry, thank you again for joining us today. And I hope that there's going to be a second edition of this dictionary with more words or new words coming up soon. Thanks for having me and I really enjoyed our conversation. And to our viewers, a hui hou. Thank you so much for watching Think Tech Hawaii. 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Angels help you go within, to wash away all dreams of sin. Thank you for opening up, pouring it out. That's like the, in the ego's world, the personality's self and this personal perspective is the baseline. You know, it's sticky, it's gooey, it's enmeshed, it's uncomfortable. There's anxiety with it, like an underlying low-level anxiety that can, you know, increase at times.  He's immediately, after he decides for the red pill, kind of, I want to really, I want to see, I want to be shown, show me the truth. Morpheus can't show him the truth because he's so enmeshed and entrenched in illusions that the truth would be frightening. So immediately after he takes that red pill, he's taken into another room where there's all this apparatus and he's looking at Trinity, did you do this? And it's got all kinds of apparatus set up. And he's there and Morpheus is giving him the context. Did you ever imagine yourself to be in a dream that you could not wake from? That's pretty enmeshed, a dream that you could not wake from. And as he's giving him the whole context for it, the wall looks so, so shiny and reflective but it starts to wobble and waver like mirrors aren't supposed to do that. They're not supposed to wobble and waver and he's so curious by the wobbling, wavering mirror that he reaches out with his hand to touch it and it's like this liquid sticky thing. This is the gooey mess of the personal and he starts to touch it and it starts to move and he's like, did I? What's happening? Did I do this?  It's like his whole personality self is just completely caved in in this kind of mercury, gooey, shiny like thing. And then he drops down into what would seem to be the unconscious mind where he's all plugged in and he's in all this pink kind of embryotic goo and he's trapped.   And in one sense when you turn to the Holy Spirit and you say I'm enmeshed in the personal, it's sticky, it's gooey, there's a lot of anxiety with it but I need help and when you ask the Holy Spirit for help the first thing that you have to go through in the healing is you've got to be flushed, emotionally flushed. It's like all that that's been pushed out of awareness has to come into awareness as far as the letting go. You know how he's unplugged before he goes down the toilet, the drain pipe, he's got to have all these things that are plugged into him taken out. And it looks kind of uncomfortable. I mean I've had people who have watched The Matrix and they're just like, they kind of turn away from this scene.  Good, good, good, Nebuchadnezzar, good, that's all great.  Oh right, he's grooving, he's grooving, he's grooving and what is this? You know, it's like it doesn't look comfortable at all. And I think for those who really work with the Course and really give themselves over to it and say, alright Jesus, take me on a journey. It's like, well we've got to do a major flush before we can get to the rebuilding.  And he's laying there, you know, he just had all these tubes popped out of him, he's just been pulled out of the drain, so to speak, am I dead? And Morpheus says, far, far from it. In other words, like with the confidence in his voice, like oh now we can begin the rebuilding. Now we can let the Spirit rebuild you anew.  You've never used them. We never have used in this world our spiritual eyes, our real eyes. We can't realize the Spirit because we haven't even used our real eyes, our spiritual eyes. Let thine eye be single. It's like that apparatus of the miracle, that spiritual vision has always been there for us. The Holy Spirit put it there in us. We could never get rid of it. We could never destroy it.  In fact, when the Course first came through Helen Shuckman in the original Urtext, there was a term that came through and they basically, for consistency, had to kind of translate it and give it a consistent name through the Course when they published the Course. But before the Holy Spirit was called the Holy Spirit in the original translation, it was the spiritual eye. Not spiritual eyes, just spiritual eye, E-Y-E, capital S, capital E. The Holy Spirit is our spiritual eye. It's our vision. It's our bridge back to the spiritual vision, the vision of Christ. It has nothing to do with the body's eyes and nothing to do with the body's ears. And physical sight has nothing to do with seeing at all. Jesus says in the workbook, the body's eyes were made not to see and the body's ears were made not to hear.  And then to believe you're a human being and to believe you have difficulty with your physical seeing or your physical hearing, that's just the tip of the iceberg. Once you take it much, much deeper, like you did with Helen Shuckman when she went blind that one day in her earth life, she went across, they examined her eyes and they went through the neurology and everything, couldn't find anything wrong.  That's all he said, you're afraid of spiritual vision. The fear of spiritual vision projected onto the body looks like eye problems or what we would call physical blindness. But that's not it, that's just the tip of the iceberg. There are no physical problems, they're all mental problems and that fear of awakening is the fear of spiritual vision. So it was not only, Morpheus said you haven't used those physical eyes, you've never used them, but all of his muscles had atrophies because he was never using his muscles in this kind of vegetable state of imprisonment. And it's the same way, we all have spiritual gifts, many, many spiritual gifts that want to pour through, we just haven't used them. They've been dormant, they're still there but they've just been dormant. And the more we just open up and we go through this dismantling that Neo went through, we open up to our spiritual vision and our spiritual fruits that will surely pour through. So surely it is uncomfortable as you're going through this dismantling and that's why if you work with a course as your tool it's like rip, rip, rip, and then pep talk, pep talk, rip, rip, pep talk, pep talk. That's his method of operation. Dismantle, dismantle, pep talk, pep talk, pep talk. Thank you. He's always seeming to dissolve away the ego and then lift you up in spirit. Say, remember this is what it's all for, this is what it's really for and we need a lot of those reminders. It's easy to get lost in this dismantling, just feeling like we're going down the sink and that it's hopeless, we feel helpless, we feel powerless, we feel kind of like in the Wizard of Oz, when the flying monkeys come and they get a hold of the scarecrow. The scarecrow is nothing more than shirt, pants stuffed with straw and what do the flying monkeys do? They start pulling straw so that there's this little head and a shirt and some pants laying on the road.  But what do those mighty Papangians, what do those peeps do? They put the straw back in, like, come on, we're going to go find the Wizard and get out of this wicked place, a wicked dream, you know, and that's in one sense that's when you give your purpose of his Holy Spirit, your mighty companions are showing up as symbols of love and support to say, yeah, let's go on this journey together, let's be made whole again by the Spirit, let's be shown our wholeness and let's not be tempted to become too depressed at the dismantling because there's something much, much more that waits beyond that dismantling. So thank you. Every time you speak up, Tom, I know that it's like in the face of the anxiety, you're doing it one more time and it's slowly, it's really washing away that fear. Angels help you to wash away all dreams of sin.


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Hello everyone welcome again to another NARC survivor live video and in this one as the title says it is quite a big topic and I'm sure it's something that Many people may be interested in Because the narcissist may have done a lot of things to you.  You want to know What is the most sadistic Cruel thing that you can possibly do to a narcissist and I'm going to get into that in this video By the end of this video, you will know Exactly what you need to do if you really want to hurt the narcissist And to give them a taste of their own medicine You will know what you need to do by the end of this video and you will also know how and why it affects them You will know everything That you need to know but before I get into it Please hit that thumbs up button down below So that it will help To get this message out there and then other survivors will see it and benefit from this information Because I'm sure there are Many people out there Who want to know how they can get revenge They want to know what is the most cruel thing I Can do to this person who has harmed me and it may seem like There's nothing you can do as though they're indestructible They're invincible They're like these Cold and emotional robots When nothing affects them When in fact the opposite is true They're actually very weak and sensitive And there's one thing that they're sensitive to more than anything else and you will have witnessed this Already Yes, you will already have seen the effects of this if you are watching this video right now You will already know it But you may not know it because We often do this without even realizing And narcissists are always looking for threats They're constantly scanning the environment They're observing our facial expressions tone of voice body language And any changes in our responses to them so here it is What you've already And only done to the narcissist and what you can Continue to do maybe modify it a little bit Which then becomes the most sadistic thing you can do to them Maybe you didn't realize it until now but now You're going to start to remember and figure it out because if you look back The narcissist wasn't always treating you this way were they they were treating you very well in the beginning remember when They manipulated you They love bombed you they idealized you Remember that time But then it's like all of a sudden they started to devalue you they insulted you they put you down They triangulated you with other people They made you feel completely worthless and insignificant But how could they go from How they were treating you at the beginning to then For them to end up doing that How is that possible when in fact That was in response to you You just may not have realized it at the time because I'm lonely to you you already Rejected the narcissist You already turned them down And if you look back you may remember Maybe they said something to you That you didn't approve of Or they did something and you may not have spoken any words to them about it But they could read it in your facial expressions Your body language your tone of voice They knew that you weren't happy about it. And at that moment it caused a narcissistic injury It triggered them It made them feel bad about themselves But as we know they can't deal with their shame So instead they project it Onto their victim And that was when they began to devalue you because the worst thing The most sadistic thing you can do to a narcissist Is to deny them a validation To reject them That really is the worst thing that you can possibly do to them. There really is nothing worse Than that for a narcissist. I don't know many of you who are watching this You're good people. You may never have intended to hurt them. I mean especially at the beginning They weren't even really doing anything wrong As far as you knew I mean they were actually love bombing you which Is a form of abuse as well But as far as you knew at that time they were treating you well And you were so happy to have met them So you didn't intend to hurt them Or to even reject them But they took it as rejection Yes, they knew that you did not approve of them and what they were doing Whatever it was, I'm sure if you look back you will remember Something they said or did and you didn't like it And you may never have told them this But your body language, your facial expressions These things translate These unspoken words It reveals a lot about how you're thinking And they pick up on that And they feel hurt They felt rejected by you in that moment Because you were invalidating them And knowingly And in that moment When you invalidate a narcissist When you take your attention off of them Or you even go as far as to reject them In that moment They experience an emotional flashback To the traumatic event in their childhood Where they felt rejected by their parents Where they then abandoned their true selves and created a false self And just imagine how traumatic that must have been for them In that moment in their childhood It was so bad That they abandoned their true selves And created a false self And it's so bad that they hold on to it for the rest of their lives And they never let it go And by their own choice No one has come into them Or reminded them of it This is something that is stuck in their minds That they can't let go of And in fact They're disconnected from it It's in their subconscious Some of them may not even know that it's there at all It may be a repressed memory but it's still there And anytime that they're feeling validated or rejected It takes them back to that moment And that's why when you reject or invalidate them and it causes a narcissistic injury They respond in such an extreme and exaggerated way And you look at it like it just doesn't add up With anything that you've said or done to them It just doesn't connect It doesn't make any sense why they would react In such an exaggerated way When it's anything that you've said or done it wasn't even personal Especially with us as empaths We never really intend to hurt anyone deliberately But it's because they're reacting to that traumatic event in their childhood In that moment they don't even see you They don't even know who you are You act as a vessel for them to deflect this unhealed trauma onto And that's all that you are to the narcissist That's the only purpose of it Because as empaths we've been doing this since our childhood We've always been there to carry the negative emotions and traumas of our parents And so we have a high tolerance for it We have a high capacity And so they assign this role to us in the relationship as well And many of them are disconnected from it They don't even realise what they're doing But this is exactly what's going on When you invalidate or reject them They experience an emotional flashback to that traumatic event in their childhood But they felt rejected by their parents And they then abandoned their true selves and created a false self It takes them back to that very moment They may not have any visions of it in their mind This is just on an emotional level It's an emotional response to that traumatic event in their childhood Which is why when they rage it just seems so extreme So exaggerated The things that follow it it just doesn't seem to make any sense And even then when they rage it's like they're never satisfied Because no matter how much they try to deflect it onto you That trauma never goes away Because they're disconnected from it They can't process those emotions Which are a response, a traumatic response To that event in their childhood where they felt rejected And that's why through the devaluation especially You will always notice this I know you will all recognise this in the devaluation Well the narcissist is devaluing you They just seem so arrogant, bitter and resentful towards you And it's like they have this vendetta against you Like you ought to blame for everything They deny any accountability for their own actions And it's just all you They just hate and resent you And they're so bitter When actually it has very little if anything to do with you As I said these emotions when they go into devaluing you This is all coming back from their childhood That traumatic event where they abandoned their true selves And created a false self Because now they feel injured They feel like you are invalidating or rejecting their false self So in that moment it's taking them back to their childhood To that moment when they chose to abandon their true self Because they believed that it was not good enough And that is the most traumatic event they ever experienced in their entire lives But fast forward to now When they're taking it out on you And they're devaluing you Many of you may not even realise it But this is 100% true When they seem so arrogant, bitter and resentful towards you What it actually is Is it is repressed sexual frustration That is exactly what it is When they come into you And they're putting you down, they're insulting you Maybe they're triangulating you, they're comparing you To other people, maybe they have a new supply Whatever it is When they're doing that They feel bitter, resentful They feel like something's unfair Because they're actually seeking something from you They're desiring you sexually Maybe unconsciously But they're viewing you as a sexual object And yes, while outwardly it may seem like they hate you All they really want beneath all of that, deep down They just want to jump on top of you That's really what they want They're craving you sexually They may never even admit it Because a lot of them are disconnected from it It's repressed They're resisting it Because in that moment they feel inferior They feel very insecure They feel like they're not good enough Because go back to what I said Where you unknowingly rejected them already You may not have said anything Maybe just through your facial expressions Your body language, maybe a tone of voice You communicate something to them Without even realising it Something that you didn't approve of And there may have been many things that you didn't approve of And it took them back to their childhood Where they felt like they're not good enough And they abandoned their true self So in that moment what do they want? And they're getting mad at you, they're hating you They're feeling bitter And resentful Frustrated Of course They want to feel like they are good enough They don't want to feel invalidated anymore They want to feel validated by you Because unknowingly to you You are the one who invalidated them And that is why if somehow you Managed to overcome their resistance In that moment you will be shocked I mean if you have experienced Makeup sex with a narcissist It's unbelievable what they will do I mean up until that point they may have been very lazy But then suddenly it's like they're doing Over the top things In an effort to please and satisfy you To gain your validation Because yes this all comes back to Sexual frustration Whether you want to believe it or not I know it may sound strange And of course I can understand in my own experiences Especially some in particular This may not even be something you Even want to imagine in your head After everything they did to you The last thing you want is to give them The opportunity to satisfy you sexually I'm just giving you the truth I'm just giving you the reality of it But in some ways I wish It could be something else But this is actually what we are dealing with Yes deep down they want and crave you sexually The women The narcissistic women you are dealing with They want nothing more In that state, in that moment When they're bitter and resentful They're devaluing, they're hating you While you may not believe it They want nothing more in that moment Than just to get down on their knees And suck you off As crazy as it sounds That's really what they want They're seeking validation And there's no other better way to get it than sexually And many of you will have seen it already If you managed to get through their resistance And you had makeup sex with a narcissist You will know that it's the best sex you will ever have with them And they will do all the top things in an effort to please And satisfy you in that moment To gain your validation Because that's what it comes back to You are unknowingly invalidated or rejecting them Now they feel like they're not good enough So they've got to project that onto you They've got to devalue you They've got to make you feel worthless and significant How a person treats you is a direct reflection of how they feel about themselves As within so without They can't give you something that they don't have They can only give you what they've got And what they've got is these feelings of invalidation and rejection Which you may have unknowingly given to them Which was translated even just by your body language Your facial expressions You may never have even said anything to them But the row is scanning their targets for threats So they can reach you They already know what you think of them You disapprove of certain things So they feel invalidated They feel like they're not good enough And although it's repressed Yes, there is a lot of sexual frustration Beneath that mask of arrogance and superiority Of bitterness and indignation They want nothing more And for you, the men at least To just jump on top of them And just give it to them And just pound it home That's really what they want And this goes for the women who are watching this as well It's the same thing with narcissistic men And up until that point It may have been like They never cared about satisfying you It's like when you had sex They couldn't care less If you got off or not But once they feel invalidated, rejected Then they want to prop up their false self They want to get that validation back By pleasing and satisfying you sexually They won't always do that, of course Some of them have too much pride and ego They will hold on to that sexual frustration But it will always come out In anger and hatred towards you Where it's like they just want to destroy you And they may also go straight to sexual insults and attacks Because some of them are so stupid and disconnected They think you're not going to make sense of it And instantly realize that the reason they're putting you down In that area is because that's exactly what they want from you They may just want you to desire them more sexually But many of you don't because you've been abused So you've lost that attraction towards them And this leads in very well to the most sadistic thing that you can do To a narcissist It's to invalidate, to reject them Because that takes them back to that event in their childhood Where they felt invalidated or rejected by their parents They abandoned their true selves and created a false self It takes them back to that moment when they felt like they're not good enough For some reason it affects us sexually when that happens It's often subconscious, it's repressed But it is there They're seeking validation from you sexually And you may not have realized this until now But yes, I can tell you that after all of my years of research and experience There is a connection there Whether you like to admit it or not This is the reality of it And they may never admit it Instead they may hold on to grudges and resentment To where they never want to forgive you But I can tell you for the boys who are watching this Even after they've devalued you They discarded you They triangulated you with someone else Deep down beneath all of that arrogance And that sense of superiority and bitterness and resentment There is a lot of sexual frustration And yes, for the boys who are watching this That narcissist that you were dealing with She wants nothing more And to get those cheeks clapped Believe it or not Believe it or not And as I said, they may not be consciously aware of it Some of them will be And I've experienced that as well But they've just physically They've got to have you sexually Because they're feeling insecure They just need that validation in that moment And they just can't rest until they've got it Of course, that's more the vulnerable narcissist With the grandiose, the overt They're probably never going to do that They're going to hold on to that sexual frustration and resentment For the rest of their lives And this is why It's like When you see them and they're with their new supply Rather, you see the new supply And you're looking at them Whether you see them in person or on social media Whatever it is And you notice it's almost like Some sort of resemblance to you They may have a different face But maybe it's a similar hairstyle A similar style of clothes These blatant similarities And the narcissist may not even notice this But you do, you can see it And yes, it may kind of reveal to you After hearing what I've said to you They've got too much pride, ego and arrogance To come back and get that validation from you So what they're doing When they target a new supply And it may be unconscious, but they pick someone Similar in appearance or characteristics to you Then they love bombing the new supply Some of you may not want to hear this But as you know, I only speak the truth But when they love bombing the new supply They're getting that sexual validation from them From this new supply Who has a similar appearance or characteristics as you And during the love bombing phase They're likely to be having a lot of sex Because remember they're trying to get the validation from the new supply And the new supply is not you Maybe they are similar in appearance or in their characteristics But they're still not you And the narcissist knows they're not you So no matter what they do with the new supply They're never going to get that validation they're looking for They're only going to get that from the source So the only way it's for them to come back to you And you would have to be sexually involved with them That's really the only possible way for them to resolve it And of course a vulnerable narcissist They might do just that You might see them coming back But the overt, the grandiose They're going to keep it moving And with them goes a lot of sexual trauma And it will never be resolved I mean the vulnerable narcissist when they come back You can see it on their face When they come back and you have makeup sex With a vulnerable narcissist Yes, you know they seem really happy in that moment As though something's finally been resolved for them I mean that initial childhood trauma That's still going to be there But then they've resolved what they had with you What they felt invalidated Was though they weren't good enough for you That has then been resolved But with the overt narcissist It's very different That never goes away And this is why You see them And they're wrong for this new supply Who may resemble you in so many ways And it's so crazy I mean you could peer into their life Like maybe log on to their social media After 10 years, 20 years However long it may be And they are still targeting Supplies who resemble you in some way Whether in appearance or characteristics And it's like they never move past that Because it just carries on for the rest of their lives Because deep down they desired something from you Sexually That's what narcissistic people do For them to gain that validation They've got to have sex in some way To get that from you And you have to feel satisfied Otherwise it creates this trauma Where they feel invalidated They feel like they weren't good enough for you Because although you may not have said anything to them About the relationship But they could see it in your body language Your facial expressions That you didn't approve of something There was something you weren't happy about And then they felt invalidated They felt like they're not good enough And yet as I said these overt narcissists With all of that pride and arrogance They just suppress it Or they're just completely disconnected from it They don't even know that it's there In their minds They repress it And then they just target a new supply Who resembles you Either physically or in their characteristics Even then they have sex with them They still never get that validation And it just goes on and on They have a string of different supplies And they all seem to resemble you But of course as time goes on It can change quite a lot Because the original supply that they had after you May have resembled you a lot So then the one after that There may have been some variations Some changes Which then changed over time If you could see all of the supplies You would notice the similarities And you could trace it back to you Always This is always how it goes And it's because at that time They felt like they weren't good enough They felt invalidated This doesn't have to be sexually It could have been anything In the relationship But it seems that narcissistic people They can only really get that validation Sexually from an intimate partner Or someone of the opposite sex But they're attracted to But it's not so much physical or sexual attraction It's more about control But yes this is really the most sadistic thing You can do to a narcissist It is to invalidate or reject them There's nothing worse you can do than that Especially if you do it sexually But here's the thing Going back to that again Because I'm sure many of you didn't even decide to do that anyway But when someone invalidates you sexually It is typically because they already feel invalidated by you In a sexual way That's what that is They already feel like They're not good enough to be having sex with you As I said how a person treats you Is a direct reflection of how they feel about themselves As we're then so without So they're projecting that onto you And we should already know that Because all of us I mean every single person who was watching this video right now I'm sure you can all admit You clicked on this You want to know the most sadistic thing that you can do to a narcissist Because you feel hurt You feeling validated by them So it just proves this point Everything that they did to you It's because they felt invalidated by you But unlike us because they have so much pride and arrogance Where they are never going to accept this truth They will carry that sexual trauma on In their future relationships Or in their existing relationship with their new supply And you may notice that even if the supply does not resemble you in any way They will try to make changes to the supply They'll try to get them to have their hair like yours Or to dress in a similar style To imitate you in some way Pay attention to all of these things Because as I said it comes back To these very important points that I have made It really is All sexual Repression And frustration That's really what it is And I've done a lot of research on this already And not only that But I will admit I've witnessed it In the narcissist that I was dealing with But not only that I've even witnessed it in myself But luckily for us because we're not narcissistic We're not egotistical We don't hold on to all of this pride and arrogance We can go within and free ourselves From trying to seek this validation Yes we can go within to do that But narcissistic people cannot do it And if it's a vulnerable narcissist They will come back to you And if you let them back in I hate to say it But yes you may have incredible makeup sex With that narcissist As I've experienced in the past With vulnerable narcissists as well But if it is an overt grandiose narcissist The odds are that they're never Going to come back to do that Even if you're desiring them to come back And join your hands and knees You're begging them They're just going to take that as their Power and superiority over you And then they're going to keep it moving With their new supply But regardless of that That sexual frustration That repression Of their true desires for validation Is still there And it never goes away So that's about 53 minutes I've said everything And what I believe to me The most sadistic thing you can do To a narcissist Funny enough it always comes back to Sexual frustration, resentment Repression and validation And while I have done some research on it I'm not completely sure why I honestly don't know why It's connected in that way But I can 100% guarantee that it is There's no other possible way It definitely is I can assure you of that But I'd like to hear from you as well So let me know What you think About this video in the live chat below I know we've just talked about Being sucked off And having your cheek slapped So It's been an interesting discussion Now let me know what you think about it What are your views Most importantly tell me your experiences Where you've recognised exactly what I've mentioned In this video In real life With the narcissist that you are dealing with Because that's really what I want to hear from you Whether it was with the vulnerable narcissist You dealt with And then they came back And you had the most amazing Makeup sex Or maybe you dealt with the over grandiose narcissist And they had all of this pride and arrogance All of this frustration towards you And maybe they insulted you sexually Or they made you feel sexually incompetent Undesirable Because these are all clear signs Of what I'm describing in this video Typically however they make you feel That's how they feel around you And what they're denying from you That's typically what they want from you So if they're denying you a validation They actually want your validation As I said how a person treats us That's a direct reflection of how they feel about themselves So they could not behave that way If those feelings were already there inside of them That would not be possible So I'm just looking through the live chat Let me know what you think Let me know your experiences I know I'm blinking quite a lot It's because my eyes are quite sensitive To the air conditioning So I hope it doesn't irritate anyone Infinite divinity says Put your skit with someone else Yeah that's the thing That's why I made this video This is really the most sadistic thing You can do to them And the vulnerable narcissist They tend to be the ones who will Want to come back and have make up sex with you But honestly And as I said I don't really like to admit this In all fairness When a vulnerable narcissist comes back And you have make up sex with them They will go above and beyond In an effort to please and satisfy you Greater than they have ever done In the entire relationship They may have completely neglected you sexually The entire time But they will really shock you If they do come back Of course that's up to you Whether you decide to do that with them or not My advice is Maybe just let them in for one night Give it a go and then kick them out That's what I would do But yes as for the The over grandiose narcissist They're not going to do that anyway They've got so much pride and ego They're so full of themselves there Even though they may yes Well 100% they do They desire that And it is sexual oppression And frustration That's what they're moving off with But most likely they're not going to come back And do that With you or anyone else I feel Taoist there is very competitive Deep down so insecure they are Yes that's really what it is It's all their insecurities They feel like they're not good enough They feel invalidated and rejected by you And then that's what creates this competition You may find that they start to Do themselves up a lot more They're doing their hair nice They're doing their makeup They're wearing sexier outfits All in an effort to gain Sexual validation from you But it's never going to be enough Unless they know for a fact That you are sexually satisfied by them Like in the case of the vulnerable narcissist If you've experienced makeup sex with them already You will see it that if you are sexually satisfied by them It just resolves instantly And you can see it on their face They're just completely relieved Irani says it will always be rejection for any narcissist Yeah that's always what it comes back to Because remember That's the whole nature of the disorder They felt rejected by their parents and childhood They abandoned their true selves and created a false self But why it connects Sexually I really do not know I need to look more into that And it's very rare that I say this But that is something I need to research I can guarantee 100% That there is this sexual component Which predominates above everything else The anger you see That rage Even if it is just passive aggression What you are seeing is sexual frustration They want nothing more than just to be intimate with you That's really what they want And if they've got too much pride and ego They'll run off and try to get it from someone else But it's never going to be enough Because deep down they want that from you And as I said it's up to you Whether you give it to them or not I'm just looking through the live chat DrudeVW says they do need an exorcist You think we are joking That would be great If there could just be an exorcism For these narks Just exercise it Out of their bodies It really depends on your own religious beliefs there I don't want to go into that too much I thought it was quite funny when I saw that I'm seeing a lot of comments But what I was looking for Is people's experiences of this Maybe of makeup sex with a vulnerable narcissist Or that pride, ego, bitterness And resentment of an over grandiose narcissist Which is really just their sexual frustration And repression No one is sharing their personal experiences here Which is interesting Is anyone going to be the first one to do that? Maybe not I think my viewers are all a bit too shy But yeah, this is really how it is Steady pace says I thought the covert Was the sexiest man on earth Yeah, that's how it is for a lot of us I mean, when we first meet them Of course we are attracted to them And then they devalue us They put us down They make us feel worthless But it's amazing When you realise that this is all in fact Nothing more than an illusion It's a projection They feel like they're not good enough for you Eiffel Tower says I revealed quite a lot Admitting your ex went to find a Russian bride Is kind of humiliating And she lived in my house with my pets My furniture, everything I had built in a marriage that was not a marriage That must have been a horrible experience for you To have this other woman living in your house Sorry you had to go through that Siri Lux says 12 years, man Five kids Wow, it's amazing how long they hold on to us It's like all that time they devalue in us And it's all because they feel They're not good enough for us That's really what it is when they're abusing us When they're putting us down It's all just a projection of their shame And for whatever reason It's like the only way they seem to get that validation Is sexually And it can just seem so dismissing of you as an actual person Because it's like what about Our feelings, our emotions I mean a person A relationship It should not just be All about sex But that's how it often is With these narcissists They invalidate you emotionally They come back, it's like they just want sex from you They come back like nothing happened Like they never did anything to you They just completely neglect you emotionally And validate Your experience They don't give you any closure An explanation for their behaviour Or why they left And you just feel like You're just this Sex object to them They objectify themselves And they objectify you And they just never Validate Our emotions And of course I believe that that is The reason Why people find channels such as mine Because although they may They may be having the narcissists coming back Trying to have sex with them But they do not Feel emotionally validated That's what's missing And that is why I believe people find Channels like this Because we need that validation We need to know that Our experience, our reality Was real When we were always being gaslit by the narcissists So that's why channels such as this Are so powerful It validates The victim's experience After you were gaslit for all of that time The most sadistic thing you can do To a narcissist This is it Invalidating them Rejecting them And by watching this video right now You are becoming aware of it I hope that you found this video helpful If you did as always You can give it a thumbs up Down below It helps the YouTube algorithm To get this message out there So that other victims will see it as well And then they can benefit from this Very important information Also let me know your thoughts In the comment section I do read your comments every day And don't forget to Hit that subscribe button And click the bell icon Because then you will receive The notifications for my future videos You will know when I upload them And if you'd like to talk with me one on one That service is available to you You can book through my website It is Narcseviver.co.uk And also you can follow me on Instagram Send me a message It is Narcseviver YouTube On Instagram Okay thank you all for watching And as always I look forward to talking with you In another video very soon