most popular movies that exist right now. Well, not anymore. Not anymore. It's what he says right now when this was made, like, I guess on the release of Ant-Man. It's like, have you been paying attention to the box office lately? It's not. I can't they also be great. And like the other day on Twitter, I saw that somebody posted that one scene from the first Captain America movie, the ending scene that I praised a million times in the past. Like if you asked me, I'd probably say that that movie overall is mid two. But I really like that one scene. Not so it's all. So the phase four is equivalent to Captain America? Really? Yeah, like are we actually... Captain America one is like a nice solid story. Like a good little hero's journey going on there. A central arc. Kind of like a thematic undertone. Plot stuff is kind of silly. But like this film is way better than anything that's been in phase four. I guess what I'm trying to say is if someone wants to call this movie mid, it's like, sure, I'll allow it. But like, you know, where's phase four sitting? You go, it's also mid. Yeah, like that's the thing. In a better landscape, Captain America one is mid, but not like right now. Take a million of these over anything in phase four. I love Captain America's character journey. It's great. Yeah. And this ending scene is even enjoyable, right? Like it helps. I think it's pretty good. It's pretty good. It's a good scene. It's a good scene. But I really like that one scene. I like more than that one scene. There's a lot of really good scenes. I like us going speech. I like the test scene where he jumps on the grenade. Come on. Of course, I could do this all day. Flashback with Peggy before he goes under the ice. Yeah, that's really good. Yeah. I like Tommy Lee Jones of that movie. He's fun. Yes, he is. It encapsulates the heart of that film really well in just a little moment. And it reminded me that we don't really get moments like that anymore. Moments like that capture. Because they're badly written. Oh, my God. Is this what I mean? It's like, why do they always avoid saying that? Yeah, I never do. They're really badly written. They're inconsistent.  It's very simple. Even when I like one of the new movies or shows, they never have a moment or a scene. Even when I like, look at these scores. That's normally, you normally like them. Yeah, exactly. Oh, my God. One of these is under five. Also, guys, he said that Captain Marvel, Captain America was mid. And then he had a moment that shows it. And then he tells us that the face war is mid. But he doesn't have a moment that makes him go, oh, look at that. That's kind of a good encapsulation. That's essentially what he's trying to say right now, is that it's the same quality, but they don't have any great moments. Man, it feels like they're not the same quality. It's like he's like almost at the edge of enlightenment, but he doesn't want to jump. It feels like that.  I don't know that he could even tell you what it is, because it's just jumping all over the place, contradicting himself constantly. You know what I just realized? He sat down, got his Microsoft Word document, just started writing his stream of consciousness, and then recorded it. Is this your first time with the Cosmo? Well, no, I know, but it's just a reminder. It's a variety of views. Dude, I remember when we'd pointed out a whole bunch of contradictions in like one video, and this one was like, well, yeah, it's the variety hour. The idea is that you get lots of different opinions. No! That's the idea of a variety of hours that he makes a whole bunch of things. But yeah, I just realized, right? If we'd be in generous in saying mid is five, but let's say mid is between four and six even, right? That's like where you randomly just say, you know, that's mid. That means she hulks from him as a seven out of 10 that he does definitively believe she hulks better than Captain America. I mean, he would have to, right? Because seven out of 10 ain't mid. Seven out of 10 is like good. Amazing. Unless he is using the IGN scale or seven out of 10. The IGN scale. Right, yeah. It's true. It's true. They're average. I did the math. They're average is 7.5, right? So like that's the average thing they do. And like 60% of their stuff is over a six. 60% of it is six to nine. So like, yeah, 7.5. IGN's media stuff is like particularly fascinating. Like the high scores that they get to like Mando season three episodes. Yeah. Like, I can't remember which one, but I know that they gave at least one episode a 10. A 10. Perfect. Well, not perfect, but masterpiece at the very least. Wow. Have a moment or a scene or a line that sticks with me. They just lack that iconic quality of the movie. Why'd you give them like seven, sixes, and eights? I guess that's the difference between a seven and a nine or something. It's really awkward because you know, I watched for the first time, No Country for Old Men a couple of days ago.  It's like, yep, I know they're going to be memorable. I know I'm going to remember that scene. It's like, you can tell when something's going to be memorable because like the impact that it makes at the moment that you watch it, like, why wasn't there anything that clicked of like, am I actually going to remember anything that I've seen here? Like, is there anything that I could really pinpoint is like the emotional core of the story that's going to, you know, that means something to me personally that will carry through forever or, you know, for a long time? I don't know, where's the reflection? It's so weird that like, his point is basically just like, there's nothing memorable in these films, but they're pretty good. Damn. It's weird. I feel like someone's good. Well, yeah, exactly. Whatever I said back then, it's right. Also this. Also variety hour. It's like the Hitler variety hour. No, the Jews are okay, I suppose, you know. It's a variety hour. The heart. I think the heart is something that we've taken for granted. And even when the new movies are pretty good, it feels like they're worth it. You said lots of them are pretty good. He is also just rephrasing what he said. Yes, he is. Like a memorable moment encapsulated. Now it's the heart. Yeah, you're right. Someone's so frustrating about him, man. It feels like. What am I supposed to do with this? It's impossible to rewatch. If you guys have ever tried to watch No Way Home on your own, on your TV, you'll realize that that movie is only meant to be watched in a packed theater. And that's nice. No, when you're on a movie. Surely I would absolutely rather watch No Way Home before like 80% of the other MCU stuff. Yeah, but I prefer movies at home. It's like, I actually, I think things are taken away The theater can be annoying. Like there's always somebody grazing next to you with a rattly bag that just distracts me. It's on a way smaller screen. And like not not physically, obviously, but in relation to me, everything for my seat. I find it a way, like I can focus a lot more.  I could, oh, I get a number two. Oh my God, I can pause it. You can pause it. You can pause it. I can poop for however long I desire. No stress whatsoever. You can rewind things. That's a huge thing. I can rewind things. Did he really just say that? My guess is, did he really just say it? So my guess is what he's going to be saying is, look at all of the scenes like in the film that are clearly meant to be, you know, for an audience to like be like, woo, yay, look at that, yeah, the character, woo, yeah. But the problem is it's like, those are small parts of the film. Like those are specific scenes. There's a lot of other like scenes in this film. Do you think though that's a cultural difference as well between like the UK and America? America's a lot more like cheering and movies. And you don't really get that in the UK as much. I'm curious to go through his example because I got a couple of ideas about this one. Watched in a packed theater. And that's nice when you're in a packed theater, when you're at home alone watching it, it feels really weird.  You can do that at a phone, bro. Okay, that's it. Right, so here's the thing. This is in all superhero movies. There's always gaps when things happen. Like I'm already thinking about Iron Man, right?  It's like, yeah, why isn't he immediately doing all kinds of things? It's like, well, because we're, we're letting that moment breathe for a second. That is Iron Man. A banjo. He's just a wreck. Wait till Cosmo learns about Lord of Rings. If someone said to me, like, yeah, that's bad. He should be like, well, you can make arguments. You can always make arguments in universe. The reason he's taking a second is because he just thunked into the floor and he needs to look around and think, you know, you can do that.   I don't mind at all that there's a few seconds for everybody to just look at him and be like, what the hell? And you're like, it doubles up as a chance for audiences to go, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, and you don't have to miss dialogue. Like that's fine. That's fine. Someone does that and I'm called the penis. Not how your people say hello. It's just something that he's going to carry through to others. Like, what was the moment in Eternals that was meant to be like everybody cheering? What was the moment in that film, like Shang-Chi, that was meant to be like the big cheer moment? Yeah, when Marvel's Katie killed the dragon. Yeah. Now it just feels stunted and awkward. They're shocked. No. What he's doing here, he's taken the big bang theory argument as if you remove the lap track. It's not interesting anymore. It doesn't work in this sense. Once again, by the way, this isn't even something he came up with. You see this on Twitter several times. People posted this scene and been like, it looks real bad when you don't have an audience cheering. I've never understood it. This is the shocking moment for all three of these characters. If they built in the audience cheering into the movie, you could be like, okay, they're trying to prompt a thing, but they're not. There's a little the odd sign that says applause now. In the subtitles, yeah. Maybe he's audience applause. To give him some level of credit here, maybe he's just associating his experience in the theater and saying, this isn't as powerful without the audience. That should act. That can accent an experience. Not the experience shouldn't really. I'm not saying he's right. I'm responding to. I'm responding to the character that you're playing, which is there is. I'm trying to come up with something. We like the Cosmariati variety. Cosmariati, I'd watch that rather than this guy. Man, this is a problem with a lot of these movies. Marvel wants to recapture moments like this. You know, they could do that with really good writing. Oh, no, I would do that with setups and payoffs. But why isn't that that any of that? Is that one bad because there's space and time for everyone to cheer? Also, I think that's why he did not include Spider-Man in his review, because that would. It's part of the phase that he says it's boring and people don't clap. I would imagine people were clapping and hollering when Black Panther came out. He just doesn't have a clip for it. And he's just going to go, and, yep, these movies don't have those moments. I don't think this is what I mean. It's so incoherent. He's basically said part of what's a detriment to these films is that they'll have scenes that when you don't have an audience surrounding you, are, like, awkward in the future. The films lose their power on rewatch. And they're like, okay, but what about the ones that don't have that? And what about the ones that maintain their power both in the cinema and at home? And he's like, mm-hmm. And I don't think that's true also. I think the powerful moments in the cinema, you can still have that at home. Just if you want to stand up for it, you're kind of cringe, but...  Yeah! Yeah! I think if a moment needs other people around you to hype you up, then it's not a real moment. Like, you're getting the hype for the people, not the movie. Like, it's not that impactful.  But of course it's also going to be a moment where everyone goes nuts. And Andrew Garfield arriving in the MCU is the exact same thing. It's going to be a huge moment for the audience, but it's also just a pretty big thing that's happening in the universe right now. I can give an example. That's pretty good at the sound time. So he's going to be like, am I supposed to clap now? He needs the audience near him to let him know. So I can give an example of where the audience in all of these films, you know, or I guess in the one film, went crazy. All the audiences went crazy. And it was not, I don't think, built in to be a silent clapping moment. And that would be the Hulk smash part, you know, the puny God. Everybody in the theaters went crazy for that. And I don't think it was built in as a quiet moment of just clap, please. I'll give it to you because I actually think, don't know if it's true, but I think I didn't know he said puny God in my first run through in that movie because everyone's cheering and laughing and stuff. But this is a moment that was earned after years and years of buildup. How do you do that? Tell me more about it. Let's explore this concept. So you can't do it in a single movie. You can't have a moment that's built from just a single movie that does this. Yeah, I was going to say that. Two hours. We can't do it in that time. And do it in two hours. There are no, like, think of all the setups and payoffs and like, oh, it's like, well, the movie, well, fuck, the movie that we just watched, Mauler and Fringy, the movie that we just watched the other night, tons of setups and payoffs. So many. Oh, we'll get back to this. Well, like, I don't even need the, you know, you don't even need specific films. Storytelling. Yeah, I don't know. It's so alien to me. This whole, like, this one worked because it was built up over many movies and years. Like, well, I mean, it's just built up. It's like Alice in Borderlands has a different game almost every episode. And it only spends, like, maybe half the episode on it. And you care about every single new character and they're all new in most of the games. So imagine someone said, like, you know, the Borromea seamery saves Marion Pippin and dies for them. Like, that may have actually had some impact if maybe that was the third movie. Like, what? I think it's typical. Like, the things are so shallow that they put in these things that it takes so long to actually get to something like a normal person's depth before you actually care about them. Very strange. And these all, it really feels like he's just scattershot throwing in ideas that may or may not work and hoping for the best. You can't recapture that magic whenever you want. You can, if you... If you're good at it, you can.  It's 5 a.m. in my country and this guy is just... And you haven't even gotten to movie Bob yet. Oh my God. This is the first hurdle.  And it's like, he's on the edge. Maybe it's because the writing is bad, guys. No, he's just...   The Black Panties and whatever. Oh my God. Black panties. You said the Black Panties. The Black Panties. Yeah, because she's a girl. That's why it's Black Panties. I'm just being respectful of the gender. Of course. And you should, that's important. To earn it.  How do you do that? Because eventually... Tell us. Tell us. Well, he's giving us all the clues on how. You gotta build it up. You gotta build up Kang. You gotta be bigger than Endgame. You gotta focus on characters. Write good. Write good. Be fun. Write good. Be fun. Oh, characters that are likeable. Maybe these people like. Oh yeah, characters people like. Really, he's given them all the keys to the kingdom at this point. Work hard. Oh, yeah. VFX, be good. Yeah. Oh, my God. He's repeating himself also to everyone. Yeah.  I'm too trash. I'm not guaranteed to be in the seat anymore. And honestly, I don't really... That's where that was going. Fatigue is kicking in. I think that's something people like to say, but I don't really believe in myself. What is it? What is it? Doesn't believe in himself. What is it? Let's see. Say it. Say it. Say it. Say it. Bad writing fatigue. More respect for the audience. People still love superheroes, but when the market is flooded with superhero content, people are going to be more selective of what they go to see in the theater. Well, no, it's all good. If it was all good. Why is he always on the verge of getting the point, which is the shitty films? It's not fatigue. It's just fatigue. Come on. Basically saying it without saying it. It's not fatigue, but it's fatigue. Yeah. It's just like he threw the puzzle pieces on the floor and then he goes, audience, figure out what I'm trying to say. If you think I was correct, I was. So. Games three has a solid chance of being a good movie. James Gunn. Why made a bad superhero movie? Yeah, I really like because James Gunn hasn't made a bad superhero movie. There you go. Say it. Say it, Howard. Say it. That's not even an argument. No, I'm driving down the road. And there's a lot of houses. There's one. If that movie is good, I think it will remind people what a legitimately good Marvel movie feels like. What about Black Panther 2? I felt low key. I thought low key. It was an 8 out of 10. All right. Oh, my God. That was a good one. Why? It was a 7.5. That's pretty good. I mean, why didn't that remind people of what good superhero? You know what? We called him good. He didn't call him legitimately good. Oh, yeah, true. What's the difference between good and legitimately good? Only Cosmo knows. He's not going to tell you. If only we could know. What a great. It's like you're playing an FPS. Equal X would use one HP. And then like, no, they're actually one HP. Yeah, yeah. Act legitimately. Really.  Yeah. I think that that's going to kind of kill the MCU for a lot of people. And if the new thing. What a hot take. If the Guardians movie is good, people will see what it's like to watch a good movie. And if it's bad, it might put people off the MCU.  He's managed to crack the code. It's amazing. Fantastic Four movie is bad.  Well, let's hope. Just do it. Oh, it's over. It's over. You did it. You completed chapter one. What a great story, Mark. I was like, just did it. It's just unreal.  And useless. What useless advice? He ends up saying nothing. Like you go through the whole thing and you figure out exactly what. The 4k likes. Oh, my God. Yeah.  They'll be like, uh, that was my first exposure to this guy. And I was listening. I didn't get anything. Empty calories. And they're all like this. I promise you. I've reached out to you. You go through it and you're like, I don't understand what you said. He's like, he's like Mark Brown, right? Like he doesn't say anything. Marcus Brown. I haven't seen Marcus in ages. Oh, Mark Brown. I just have more credit than that. No, at least he does. No, I was better production. Mark Brown. Like he doesn't have way better production. Okay, sure. But he still says nothing. Oh, yeah. I was you. Well, he says things that you already know. Do I? Yeah. Jumping. I actually, yeah, that's a good point whereas like, you know, cosmonaut is just like, that was just, you were constantly contradicting yourself.  It's like, all right, that's the video. You can't contradict him.  I like it. It's like factual, even if it is information that you'd presume that you would know at that point. But I accept that. He's better than in Cosmo. It's just kind of unreal. I don't know why you would like how you could watch that, walk away and be like, I learned something today. I think I figured it out, guys. I found the formula because he says like, vague components of ideas people have in their head and how many people like this. The 54K people that pressed like went, oh, cosmonaut said something, I think. Oh, he's right on the money. Oh, I'm gonna press the like button. It was pretty fast paced with that Marvel vs Capcom 2 music getting you a pretty upbeat. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Well, I generally think there's a lot of people in the general audience who will listen to someone say, Black Widow. Yeah. Okay. You know, Loki really good. Shang-Chi good. She helped good Black Panther 2 really good. But he's full bad. Yeah. And you'd be like, did you not? You agree with that? Yeah.  Man, I really want to watch the, you know, Cosmonaut video on the current state of Marvel phase four. I'm going to go rewatch that. Who's going to do that? No, he's just throwing stuff out there. I mean, his videos are as disposable as like the movies. Yeah. He was like the fast food of video essays. Yeah. Well, I actually think that it's alphabet soup, right?  And that's very much what Cosmo is to me. Yeah. I wonder if he'd take it as a culp of it. Maybe he would. He'd be like, yeah. A lot of people can take a lot from my content. I agree. And you're like, uh, yeah. I mean, you can absolutely, right? You can see all the different letters in there. And you can be like, oh, if I look at it this way, it says this word. And, you know, yeah, it does for you in that way. You know, about Mark Brown, when the Mario movie came out, I saw a couple of people in Discord talking about it.  And I was like, I'm curious. What is it?  And he said, they didn't tell us a secret of Mario's jump. And I was like, yeah. Good references. Anyway, is everyone ready for movie bot to answer the question that was almost. I was going to have a segway. Moeller, there was a perfect segway. Like speaking of Mario jumps, you know, who's the biggest Mario fan? He really is. He dressed up. I thought you were going to say, speaking of Mario's jump, you know who can't jump. I thought you were going to go that way. That works also. Yeah. Is this a bad time to jump to the base of the apartment where he lives? Is it a bad time to say what or not? He's going to reference the other floors, right? This will be a good change of pace because it's like the opposite. Well, well, it's a change of pace because I really like long sentences. I love long sentences. Yeah. I'm just curious who is the first to say, can we please go back to Cosmo? I wonder. Okay, so I think this is the video that you invited me for, Moeller, because I'm like a trove of movie Bob Lore. I used to, I don't know if you guys know, but I used to do a segment on my channel called Bob Review, where we would just go over the latest terrible movie Bob takes, because all he does. Why did he stop? Yeah. All he does is do bad things. He's still going to. Listen, as somebody who knows bad Twitter takes, all right, an expert on them right now.  All movie Bob does is bad takes. Every take is bad. Every single one. I have his book. You guys know he wrote a book? Yeah, he wrote a book. Yeah. I have a copy of it. He's a true fan. He wrote the book. Yes. And there's a famous quote in there. What's it about? The book is like it's like a it's a combination discussion of the game design of Super Mario Brothers 3 on the NES combined with a movie Bob coming of age story where he finally moved out of his parents' house at 29 years old. Oh, hard. So that's the story combined with Super Mario Brothers 3, like an analysis of Super Mario Brothers 3. Yes. He goes back and forth between like analyzing the level design and the worlds and the enemies and then also talking about like his personal trauma. His personal journey was similar to that. Now he's affecting that. This is brutal. That's the problem, man. Trump stole his Halloween. That's not fascinating. That's not fascinating, actually. Trump stole his Halloween and right-wingers stole his ability to go to the moon. Oh, my God. Oh, my God. Oh, my God. On the moon base by now, damn it.   Like something he was very semi-pro pedophile. So movie Bob is all, you're all for eugenics. Oh, yeah. He's very full of that.  And then he blocked me. Dude, I'm pretty sure he was like very pro cuties, I think. So I remember that. He was like, how could you say that this wasn't, you know, art or some bullshit? I remember it. Oh, my God. So anyway, we're off today to see some new movie Bob take. Also, hi, Jay. I didn't even hear you for the past two hours.  That's what I heard.  We are welcome to the street today. Gay? Gay long bone, yes. Okay, before we start, before we start, all right. I found the book off my bookshelf. I flipped open a random page. Okay. Let's hear it. Oh boy. And I am on, this is the beginning of his analysis of world eight, the dark land. Okay. I won't read the whole thing. I'll just read a little bit. So here's how his analysis of the dark land and Mario Brothers three starts. The past couple of weeks have been rough, equal parts trying and semi and semi exhilarating. It's looking very much like I'm going to come out on top regarding that apartment. On the other hand, things are deteriorating for my grandmother. She's been back in and out of doctor's care and now requires a rotating schedule of family members to keep an eye on her overnight. The failing health has taken most of her hearing. The inevitable. And what comes with it is likely not far off. This is bizarre. What I needed was a diary, not a publisher. Yeah. That is. This is a bar. Pretty good book. That's just thrown into there, huh? Okay. Yeah. And he says, it will be taxing. I know this. And it dawns on me now that though it wasn't my intent, if this apartment deal actually goes through, I'll be moving on at the precise moment when a family member should, when family members should be pulling closer together. There's nothing I can do about that, but it feels unfortunately fitting that fate would make a callus-seeming man of me in this moment. As ever, Super Mario Brothers 3 is- No, no, no. No, no. Super Mario Brothers 3. So he could just not, he could also just not move yet. How is that?  Geez. I'm not even interested in my own rent negotiations. Let alone everybody else's. Why? Do you think this will make for a thrilling read? Just posing like interpersonal problems with- Oh my God. The level design of Super Mario Brothers 3. Yeah, it feels like that's- Oh my God. It's because he calls this level the point of no return. The last world, the final conflict. And he- Can't he really mean Mario or moving home? Oh my God. He means both. He means both. Oh, that. This feels like- The piranha plant that is my grandmother's cancer. This feels like the room where the mom says I got the test results back. It's cancer. And then they talk about something else and the cancer is never brought up again. Oh my God. Oh, the room. The room, yeah. It feels no return. It feels so weird, Bob. Yeah. The grandma. So you play Super Mario Brothers 3? Oh, it feels like- Oh my God. Movie Bob is so smart.   It feels like that. So, the book is full of many incredible quotes, but the most famous one is when he described the console wars of the early 90s as his own personal Vietnam. Because he was constantly getting into like- Oh my God. The way. I don't know. I'm sorry. I don't believe you. He actually said that, yes. Motherboard you. You're speaking Japanese. I'm sorry. Where's the lie? That's just- The playground fights where he got beat up for liking Nintendo instead of Sega, whereas it was his own personal Vietnam. He's still not over it. My own Vietnam. He didn't actually, though, right? Like, this is just a big joke. You're memeing me. I was down the street holding this game for like a hundred years. Wait, is this like a pre-gamergate-gamergate? Like, he was there before the trench. For the console wars. Blood was spilled. Oh my God. So, I have to do a video on this book someday, because it's truly an incredible read. Please do. There's so much nonsense. There's so much nonsense. I don't want to pay for it. Right, like, I don't want to- Oh, well, you can't actually get it anymore. Like, this is now rare in this book. Oh my God, it's a collective item. Yes. So, I could buy a museum. It should be- It belongs in a museum. It sounds like he just needs to re-edit. It sounds like he just needs to re-edit. The bottom of a very deep pit, but really. So do you, Bob. Just re-edit it without all the Mario bits, so you keep the good stuff. That's what it is. I just want to learn about his personal tragedies growing up.  I want to hear Bob reminisce about his suffering. I want to see what made him into Magneto. Oh, Diabeto. It's the origin story of Diabeto. Of course. Deb, is this video game analysis any good, though? Um, it's okay. No, it's okay. I'll actually talk about the games. I'll actually talk about the games. When he's talking about game design, he knows about basic game design, it seems. What makes him a level good or bad in Mario? He's good at his life, too. He's okay at. No, that'd be like- No, go ahead. Go ahead.  The thought's still forming. It's still in its embryonic phase. The most point you found right there. I have- I- This book is incredible, but I can't find the actual page where he says it was my personal Vietnam, but he did say that it's his personal Vietnam. And as I said, I used to do Bob review with all of his really bad takes. I don't know how much time you want to spend on this one. How many bad takes do you want to see? We've got plenty to see in the video. I have so many of them. Sprinkle them in, Deb. Sprinkle them in. Sprinkle them in. Find the best ones, filter them through, and sprinkle them in. Like a little hook. I'll give you this one for now. Sure. I'll give you this one for now, just because this is the overarching TLDR thesis of his philosophy. So just look at this. Just read that sentence. The world is just full of people who shouldn't be. Yeah. Yeah, that's who he is. Daniel. Dude, I'm sorry, but the quote's weak. The quote tweet's even funnier. Crawling in my skin. These words they will. Yeah, this probably should be on record that we did a quote thing. Well, we had quotes from Hitler and movie Bob, and we had to guess which was which, and we didn't score that well. I couldn't do it. It was quite good. We got loads of them wrong. And just to be clear, this wasn't like, I shall now go to the bathroom. Who said it, Hitler? I guess it's a bit of a toss-up. Yeah, it wasn't that. But no, these were like, oh, wow.  It would be like, you know, this group of people needs to be expunged in order for the right world to exist. And we were like, well, that's got to be Hitler, right? Like, it's got to be. And then the quiz was like, no, that was movie Bob. Wait, so you did an Adolf versus Roberto, and you lost that? I don't think we, what was our score, Chad? Do you remember? I forget. I don't think we did particularly well. Because if it turns out, I don't know how to phrase this, which direction I want to go with it. But it turns out, movie Bob's kind of a really bad person. Yes. I've been slowly gathering that over time. Oh, you want to know a fun fact, guys? You want to know a fun fact? Adolf Hitler was born a couple of days ago on April 20, 1889, which was his birthday. He's so young. That was like so young. It's because he doesn't actually have the power to do anything. People say we go somewhere in the 60 percent. So this is where we were around there. It really gives you a new perspective on blaze it. Oh, shoutouts. Yeah, but 60 percent, which way? Oh, correct. Oh, my God, even 60 percent correct.  Yeah, it's pretty bad. If you're only getting 60 percent correct, between Hitler and just really anyone else. I mean, it's pretty bad. It's what we call a bad look. Yeah, it's like every other tweet is an Adolf tweet. Well, hey, if you follow movie Bob, you get all kinds of insights about how we should deal with modern problems. All right, that's somehow he's still on Twitter. Go into this day. I don't even know if he's ever had a tempan, even for the stuff that he says. Oh, my God. Okay, anyway, so now it's just funny that we go all that history when like we're about to listen to him talk about some bobble movies. Okay, so I dug up his worst takes. I can give you in like 30 seconds. All right. Okay. So these just in case someone clips this, these aren't my takes. Okay, Jesus Christ. Dev is really happy that he's having this book. Just say movie Bob says before he draws. Movie Bob says there are days when my fondest wish is that eugenics hadn't been tainted as a science by races and Nazis. That's a bit of an oof right there. Morality is what turned eugenics destructive though. Too much mythology about, too much mythology about culture. Okay. Eugenics would probably make a popular comeback if it was renamed to shorten your commutism. Wow. Now, there are times when I really hate that Jim Crow era racists pretty much ruined the idea of IQ tests for voting. But what he's essentially saying is like, oh, they're like carry on.  It's just who they targeted. That's what he's saying here. No, I 100 percent believe that he's like, yeah, we need to get those Republicans. We need to put them into those camps. Yeah, yeah. He's basically saying that he would have done it right if he were the the Fuhrer. Absolutely. Oh, God. So I just posted a tweet into our little thing and I'm going to read it for the audience here, but I wanted you guys to all to see it first. I'm the bad guy when I suggest these people are something less than appreciably human. Oh, my God. He's a special lad. I'm fighting his demons right now. Well, so what does he what does he have to say about Marvel fatigue? Marvel movie. I did find what does he just really empathize with? OK, that would that would I love.  The movie Bob the problem with Marvel is the good guys lose in every movie. All right, is everyone ready? Let's do it. Yes. Not quite the intro you'd expect with everything we've said, but hey, different format. It's like a detective show from the 1950s. Well, if you showed one of Hitler's paintings. As of whenever I managed to pick this one up, I really kind of get this. Geez, you already like the the the boys, the audio quality. You already have quality for somebody who's been doing this for like ages. Like, yeah, it should be better than that. Good. You couldn't buy a good microphone for your YouTube career. Geez. And yet he sounds exactly like you knew he would if you hadn't heard him before this. Yeah, that's a great. Yeah, but exterminate half the human race. Let's say you don't know anything about audio. All right, you just you have no clue. It's not your wheelhouse. You have no talent in it. You can literally just buy a blue Yeti and be OK. Yeah, you just plug it in. It's USB. Yeah, plug them in. Yeah, they work just fine. That's what I use. I've been using this whole time as a USB mic. But it's even worse than that. Like, even from just a video, one of the biggest ways to lose people in your videos the first 30 seconds and we're 20 seconds in and he's not even spoken about the video yet. So most people have already gone by this point. Well, his audience at this time, I think was all the the escapist, right? Like he was the side thing on the escapist for a lot of years. Like a tumor. Yes, yes, actually. There was like a weird back and forth at the escape. I think he got fired twice over the years. Like he said something dumb during Gamergate, which is like nine years ago at this point, but he got fired for the first time. Then after like that smoke blower, he got hired back and he got refired for something. He's gone through a lot of different dramas, to be fair. Anyone who's been on the Internet for like 10 or more years, they have like their history, right? So that's just just how it is. But I don't know if you're still there. As of whenever I managed to pick this one up, I really kind of get this back on some kind of track before October.  We will be about a week out from D23, which is basically a trade convention for all things Disney fandom that's been going on for a long time, but never really got super well covered until Disney also came to mean Marvel and Star Wars. So now it's basically Comic-Con slash CinemaCon part two every year. And this is the world we live in. Oh, fuck, the way that he talks. Let's do one sentence. Oh, my God. Oh, my God. Oh, no. And the audio, I'm going to get it. How does it take it again?  Yeah. Well, it goes as long that he needed to breathe in it. Like he needed to get a breath in because that sentence was so long. That's laborial. Oh, my God. Oh, my God. That was like, that was 20 seconds. That was like a 20 seconds, and it was sped up. It's not a challenge. He's not even extended it. It's not even over yet. If someone said, like, let him cook, it's like, we'll be forever. No, also, I'm not an expert on like audio mixing and what are audio clipping and whatever. You could just like slightly move your audio clip for the previous one, and it will be smoother. What he did was like, he took a breath. He cut the part where he took the breath and just pasted the next section. I can't judge that all the time. You can resolve the pops though. You can get them out. No, but wait. This part, what you do though, you're, it's like a live segment where you have a video. So I can't even give Movie Bob that level of excuse or you cut and I see you cut. But Movie Bob doesn't have that thing. He could have put more effort into his audio. Well, I think the audio, it sounds like he's at the bottom of a bucket. That's the problem. Like he's a long way away from the mic and you hear everything, like the entire room. Okay. He also came to mean Marvel and Star Wars. So now it's basically Comic Con slash Cinema Con part two every year. And this is the world we live in now. It also means here comes the next big wave of Marvel announcements exclusively since no one really expects any big Star Wars news since we've all accepted that the franchise is in a baby Yoda shaped holding pattern until someone figures out whether it's actually possible for that problem. Stop. I beg you to stop. It's the same tone. Like I deliberately, when I cut my stuff, I go up and then I finish a bit. And then I finish a sentence like this. So everybody knows where the thing is at the end of the sentence. He just goes. It doesn't end. He's trying to be like Yachty, but he can't do Yachty. No. Because Yachty's also on the escapist, right? So. Yeah. Well, someone in chat actually just said like they unsubs from escapist because having Movie Bob on their feet is not worth having Yachty. Like it's not. That's totally fair. Yeah, it is.  He's like star. I can't believe how long like these sentences are. I think it's still one sentence. It is. It's unclear. Okay. It is unclear. There's out whether it's actually possible for that property to be anything other than recycling and remixing stuff from the old movies without causing an international crybaby incident. See the cut. The cut in between. Yeah. It's like he cut in between the words. In between the words. I think he had a cut in the word. It felt horrible to listen to.   It's really not. Wait for the end of the sentence to process what sentence. Yeah. And it never goes. Yeah exactly.   Right. Like he just floats across it. Well what did he just say in a minute? Marvel like new announcements for Marvel movies. Something about Star Wars. Like I don't know if he doesn't like how people talk about Star Wars. The announcements will regard Disney's products and it's not really anything for Star Wars because Star Wars is currently stuck. You know that's what he's trying to say because anytime they do something new like The Last Jedi everyone goes man baby mode. That was his overall point I think. I do feel that Star Wars tends to be a whole lot of the same thing. Right. You can't have anything new. I don't even disagree with that. R2D2 is the only droid in the universe. I don't even think that's a wrong point but the presentation is so bad. It's just rancid. It's kind of hard to listen to. Without causing an international crybaby incident again. So get ready for another round of new project drops, new titles, new casting reveals, trailers and by now. All right. That wasn't a sentence. That wasn't a sentence. Like okay. So my content is political and sometimes I have to like read very long quotes from a book. I have to explain a very complicated idea every once in a while. So I have long sentences too and I know this.  What you can do is you can say the words exactly the same way and then like cut on a certain vowel sound so it blends nicely. There's like audio tricks you can do to make this work. It seems to be doing none of them. Yes. He's very, he's very true. I mean a lot of these, a lot of these problems are solved and he doesn't write his scripts like legislation. Like why are these sentences so long? Which you think that he would want to, yeah he really, that's funny legislation as a concept of, he's like this is, I'll write this like I'll write one of the laws I used to exterminate. In the chat, a guy named Gigachad, great name by the way, he said, Bob is still living in YouTube 2006 when you weren't allowed to post anything past 10 minutes. So he used to speed up his videos. So one thing I do know is that if you, for a while the rule was you don't get full monetization if you don't make a video that's longer than 10 minutes. If it's shorter than that you get only like one ad and not two at the start of the end. But I think they lowered that to eight minutes now so it's not even a point anymore. I think, I think Bob is just living in like a previous YouTube period. Well this is a 16 minute video as well. So, you only get ads after 10. Under 10 because he had an editor.  Or he ate him. Yeah, what happened to his editor? Where did that guy go? He goes to the zoo. Don't ask about the editor. He didn't pass the test. No, you know what happened? He was marinated in Mountain Dew and then caught. Oh no. He went the best way. Everyone's expressed the thought that maybe Republicans are human beings and it was summarily cooked. Marinated in Mountain Dew. It's bad enough that you would do that to a tiki or whatever but to show it to everyone proudly. Wow. Proudly. Look at my delicious concoction. Here, Mahler, if you want to pull it up. There's the picture of movie Bob's Mountain Dew chicken. Check that out. Why did you do it, Bob? It looks like fungus. Also kiwi on chicken. Kiwi? That feels weird, right? That's your problem. But kiwi feels weird, right? Like that kind of thing. Strange on a chicken, right? Lemon, lime, salt, pepper. Okay. So get ready for another round of new project drops, new titles, new casting reveals, trailers, and by now the welcome spectacle of the internet declaring it no longer chaos about anything from phase four onward juxtapose with the even greater spectacle of how much she does.  I'm sorry. Like I am genuinely trying to listen to him, but it's so hard because there's so much stuff that he's saying that it's, you have to like fucking, because people are saying slow him down. I really don't think that's the solution right now. It's going to take way long. We have to listen to him for longer just to be clear. Okay, it's still not going to make any sense. Before we pass the whole food thing, I'm going to post this one too. I don't know if you guys have seen this, but the average amount of food. Oh, that's definitely something we've seen. This is classic. Yeah. Like the best meme. Now, you know what?   You know, I should probably lose about a hundred pounds or so. I have lost some, but I need to lose more.  Like the thing that struck me about this immediately is I like that way of raising it. Even for a snowflake named Fat Man, I'm like, no, I could maybe eat like two of those burgers. You know, yeah, I could eat like two of those meals.  You get to two burgers. There's also a few drinks. I'm never going to do the drinks. It's impossible. Yeah.  Just the sheer volume. You're imagining that like inside of you. Yeah. And you're like four of those drinks in my body. And 90 minutes is the maximum you've got. Not happening. That is. That's like. Okay, hold on. Yeah. Somebody offers you $3,500. $3,500 to finish everything in this train. 90 minutes. I could do it, but it would hurt really bad. I think I could do it. So I need to stop myself for a while. And then I think I'd vomit after it's done. If that doesn't break the rules. Yeah. I vomit the way through. I need to break the rules if you're allowed to vomit. I don't know. It'd be tough to do that over a day. It'd be tough to do that over a day. Salt alone. I'll get you some salt. Yeah. It's just. Yeah. Right. That's that's got to be getting the least worth of sodium. They see all these like horrible like results of a move. I was like, yeah, it's a snack, I guess. You have to sign a waiver. You have to stop. Okay. Delft report then. Yeah. Anyway. Yeah. I think with this I think with this video can we take this back like 15 seconds? We can. Just gonna have to let him do his thing, I guess. Let him cook. Let him cook. Project drops new titles, new casting reveals, trailers and by now the welcome spectacle of the internet declaring it no longer cares about anything from phase four onward juxtapose with the even greatest spectacle of how much they very clearly care about not caring. I mean, not to be labor the point but look at some of these runtime. Those two things aren't comparable. No, they're two completely different things. Yeah. One is a load of people saying I don't like these movies. They bore me. And another one is going, I find entertainment out of people making entertainment from this terrible thing. Like you've now repackaged that into an entirely different product. So it's not that they care so much about not caring. They're just finding entertainment in any way they can because you're not providing it. And here's the thing. Movie Bob is from that old era of the angry reviewer of the late 2000s. So he knows. He knows all about taking a bad movie or a bad whatever and making it into a video. He knows why that's funny. But yeah, it's like he doesn't he doesn't like you. Right. So the criticism he's levying right now at people like me slash us is the you claim not to care and yet look at this insanity. And I'm like, I do care. What do you mean? Yeah, it's not that complicated in terms of genuine investment and like the MCU at this point. Yeah, like it's over. But like it's still relevant in terms of like a cultural like a big aspect of like popular storytelling right. Yeah. I was going to say a primary like almost mission statement is to care about storytelling in our culture at its highest levels. And that usually correlates with what is seen the most what is listened to and watched to the most. Which right now, unfortunately is stuff like the MCU and Star Wars. But things are changing. I would love to be wrong. I would love for a good Star Wars to come out. I'd love for all of those Marvel films to be excellent. Hell, yeah. That would be super. Can you imagine if they were good? Andorra's all right. Wasn't it? Yes. That was a good show. Andorra was good. Andorra was pretty good. Yeah. Yeah. I enjoyed all the all the prison stuff was great. That's the weird little heist show was great. Like, yeah. Yeah. We just hope that season two can bring it home and then it can it can hide. It can just be that thing that happened. I'm going to have to get just leave and rest well hero. This is part of the problem with anything good in the universes of the MCU or Star Wars or anything like that.  And I didn't used to be that way. Right. Like, I didn't used to come into it when Iron Man and Captain America were new. Right. And I was like, oh, maybe this next one will be good. But it feels weird that I got two well, me and then us. Like what? Where's everyone else? Like, is it just us? We're doing a movie, Bob. It's over five hours. There's only one thing I'd enjoy doing for more than five hours at a time. And it ain't going up on. What's up with this accent? Nigga, please. What's up with this accent? Him going like hours. Hours. Yeah. It randomly like fades into it. Everyone's like, I don't know if he plays into it. You've cut off his really good joke, though. He's about, he's setting up that joke. So. All right. We'll roll him back so everyone can see this glorious joke.  Oh, wait a minute. Not far enough, I'm sorry. These runtimes over five hours. There's only one thing I'd enjoy doing for more than five hours at a time. And it ain't going up on YouTube. Nobody believes that that's the thing for the. He's eating in the dark. What's the.  He's like to the lights off. Do it in the. I don't. I don't wish to be seen while this is happening because this is probably that this is the last thing the last of the three famous movie Bob Food takes. Here you go. Oh, oh, yeah. You guys ever wanted to look at what's like prison food? Mountain Dew marinated chicken. Why is it so cold? You do that to Mountain Dew. That's how Bob likes it. Why would you do that to those two innocent, innocent items? You can do this to food. I can enjoy Mountain Dew with fried chicken separately, you know. But to cook it with Mountain Dew. Why would you do that? It was like he boiled it and it's this way.  Exactly.  Why aren't vegans picketing his house? At least he put a warning label next to it. At least when Gordon Ramsay kills a cow, he does something with it. This is awful. This is a tragedy. Wait, do you mean the video or the image? Yes, higher birth.  That is a lot of rice. That's a fairly small amount of food for an average honest movie, Bob. That's true, yes. We need something for scale. That could be a massive chicken. Everest. This is the Simpsons joke. He's going to have sex while I'm making my videos because he's cool. Someone got it right when they said he was stuck in 2006 where you could say like sex. And everyone's going. Anyway, now that we're also also that's not true. Like isn't a famous tweet of his like he was simping for this girl and he he got shut down. Lindsay Ellis. Yeah, she basically just said please leave me alone. Maybe maybe movie Bob does have someone who loves him. But maybe maybe you. Okay, so yeah, I think regs, you asked me why I stopped doing Bob review. Um, I think it's because it's because I started getting really sad. Like it's it's fun to laugh at and eventually I was like, oh my god. I need something to cheer me up. I'm going to politics. Yeah, I know what you mean. But like imagine being this guy.  Oh, yeah, a little bit. I had to stop for a bit.  So I was like, oh, yeah, right. Like people who watch Gore all day. Yeah, I get it.  He plays a clip where the guy gets punched at the end. I don't know. Maybe a bit of projection.   I was going to say, I was going to say pretending to have sex, but okay, the moment is fast. I was legit like, he'll stop any second. I'll stop and then you can speak, but the sentence was still going.  And thus reactions to the regular flow of movie releases are no longer supposed to be accompanied by concerns about whether or not the medium itself has survived the recent troubles unless you're a Warner Discovery shareholder in which case, hey, good luck out there. What the fuck's happening? The cut between the burst where he has to take a breath because he just gets out of breath talking. Honestly, it's very impressive that a man made of pudding can talk for that long without getting out of it. He's kind of all the breasts. It doesn't count. He doesn't even breathe. He just takes more putting in and it rejuvenates. Does he have the whale? He doesn't run on oxygen like we do. Does he have the whale thing where it's in his nose, where it reads through his nose? Well, you see, here's the thing. It breathes through his nose. That's all of us. That's all of us. You see, we can worry. I hate to break it to you, but we all have that. We all breathe through our nose. Let go! Let go of me! Let go of me! Let go of me! Let go! Let go! Let go! Let go! Let go! Let go! Let go! The dove. The nostril literally means that I was home. I know your brain's deteriorating. We're not two minutes in yet. It's just because Movie Bob made you forget you have a nose. It's Movie Bob one of those people who breathes through his nose. That girl's paint. That girl's paint. The tube thing! He's destroying my stint of stealth. I forgot I have body parts. Stale nose tube thing. Oh, yeah, I have to do that. But I think he's trying to do, like, the attention marketing strategy. You never leave them out, like, a second to look at any other video, because they have to focus on yours. Sort of the Mr. Beast style and everything. But he's not making any points while it's happening, and you can't process anything.  No way you could rotate in any of this. No, but I think that's the point. You get to the end and you're like, well, I guess I was interested, because... Something happened. I wasn't bored. St. Troubles, unless you're a Warner Discovery shareholder, in which case, hey. We can wear his post as a picture of the whale now. I just can't! It's the interview. He breathes through his nose, yeah. That's how he does it. He breathes through his nose, yeah. It's not air in those tubes. It's like very concentrated oxygen, just so he can absorb angels. Match potatoes. That's the Mountain Jew. The Mountain Jew. The Mountain Jew. The Mountain Jew. He marinates the chicken on the way down. If I infuse this Mountain Dew with oxygen, I'll never have to breathe. I'll just drink and drink and drink. Yeah, he breathes through the bubbles. Up there, you're going to need it. One can also expect the discourse to swing belatedly back around to where it was pointed immediately. Post-end game but pre-COVID and the question of Marvel fatigue. I.e., is that a thing? Finally, I understood all that. Yes. Okay. Probably still minutes to there. Let's see what happens next. Yeah, I mean after more than a decade, dozens of movies and shows, tons of characters and story, a whole global culture, redefining generational touchstone of storytelling, etc. has this whole thing finally managed to overstay. Some more even a lot of its welcome with fans, the general public with critics and the entertainment press within its own genre, even the industry itself. It's quite a question. One that requires careful consideration. Yes. Could we give it a go?  No! God! It wasn't just the visual, it was the noise. It's just like, oh my god. I mean, I understand the whole record scratch thing, but it had to be a little bit quieter. Yeah. Bob has to learn how to do some sound mixing. Consideration. Yes.  Jesus.  Of course. How is he more echoey? You asked it, sorry. Yeah, I was going to say it. You're asking the question. That's the title of your video.  Oh yeah, my bad. You just ask questions and get fined out in the comments. It's like, oh, that's interesting. No, he...  Okay.  Time is a thing. Yes, people get tired of stuff. Of course. No, I've been good. Oh, it's good. Yeah. Why is his audio worse here? I feel like belabored with this. Because, I mean, for instance, people aren't tied of films in general, or like video games in general, or music in general, or books in general. I think they're about to be tied to books. They're about just on the cusp of it. I've seen a lot of book fatigue. Have you guys seen all the tweets about book fatigue? They're everywhere.  Oh, wow. More pages. Yeah, or the new one I got. Yeah, more pages again. Let me guess. It's got to cover. Oh, wow. They don't tie the words. Do you think he would say that he was tired of Super Mario World 3?   For Marvel, for any kind of long running thing is a weird blurry background. What's up? I just noticed that. Yeah, he's got like what what is happening? There's like a little bit around him. But he's got like an aura of clarity, which is the opposite. I think he's going on here. He doesn't want to show his background, but he doesn't know how to do like that and video auto snip thing that's going around with new. No, he has a green screen wall. We saw it. He painted his own room green. I think this is a background that he chose out of anything. No, I think what happened is he has a zoom app. It's probably like a zoomer office app where you could record yourself and have the back. So it makes it look like shit, but yeah, it's terrible. So hold on, Regs. I will. I will defend the green wall things. I did that to actually works pretty well. It didn't work very well. No, no, no. I'm not talking about the green wall. I'm saying why would he do this when he went through all the trouble to paint not only the wall, but also the door and the door handle green. He didn't have a piece of wall. Yeah. That was wide enough to frame himself. So we had to make sure that the door and the handle were also painted green. I just leave the door handle there. Just wait for some comments. What is that behind you? Because you can't just literally unscrew the handle with the screws, then put like a piece of tape over it, and then paint over that so it's flat. There we go. Oh, yep. He did it. He did the thing. I mean, he could just pull out that bit on the left. Yeah. There's still the line in the door where it's dark. Yeah. You'd still get some sort of... Let's just screw it up. Yeah. So here's the thing. For some projects, I need a very big, big green screen. So I did paint the door. I did the exact same thing that he did here. And it actually worked okay. But I realized, yeah, I just got a big green screen. Just buy the cloth, hang it up. It's cheap, right? The cloth is cheap. The cloth is really cheap. And you get a stand. Most of the money is just the stand or the curtain. I think the difficult part of having a cloth there is that you need to not have any wrinkles or anything in it, right? Well, the Algarter one fixes that. And pull it top because it's a cloth, right? Hold on, hold on. I'll give you this green screen detail because I've done this for a while, okay? Oh, boy. Yeah, yeah. You can buy, you know, like a $20 piece of cloth or something that's going to have folds in it. It's going to be like, it'll flap in the wind to get a good quality green screen. What wind? Okay, well, if you have like your window open or just want to buy it... Well, Rags, if there's wind. If there's wind? Your wind? I hope not. Okay. So, a good quality green screen is foam-backed. And the reason is the foam won't wrinkle. Even if you bend it, it'll kind of spring back into shape. Okay. And it won't be easily moved. And also it absorbs sound. So if you're going to do anything with a green screen, you want a foam-backed green screen and those will run you in the three-figure range, not the two-figure range. So, it was probably at a Movie Bob's price range. But like $500 will get you a very, very good green screen. But that's like a business expense. He has a thousand patrons. He has a thousand patrons. It shouldn't be outside of his, you know, like for a business expense. And that's got to be better than painting your... Like if the option is, I could have something really nice for $300.  And then paint over like the wall in the door frame and the door and the handle. Like surely there would be that part of you that says, just get the board. It's better and it saves you all the hassle of the painting stuff. And then like the floor and... I mean the fact that the room can't be used for anything else. Like you've locked that room in to be what it's for. Yeah, see the reason that I did it is because I was just starting and I was much younger and I had no money and I had a friend who worked at a paint department at a Home Depot and I got free paint. I was like, okay, there we go. Yeah, Fates decided that you would paint your wall green, all of those things with a friend and everything. But Bobby didn't have like friends but he has like money and stuff. He's been doing this for so long. He's like his studio, you know? As soon as I started making more money at YouTube, I bought... I put out the $500 and I bought the green screen and it's actually nice. Yeah. Again, this is his job, right? This is his livelihood. This is his business. But I can't imagine that spending money on something that would look good would be a bad decision. Yeah, it's going to be a tiny cost compared to his editor that you had. Sure, yeah. Yeah, he was a huge involvement. Yeah, yeah. Time exists. It's not an issue of money. That was a pretty funny answer. Time exists. That was the shortest sentence we're going to hear today, too. Whether or not fatigue for Marvel movies for any kind of movies exists, the question is whether or not whether or not it matters and to what degree it's there. He included the screenshot of us talking about She-Hulk. Does he think that we think that there's Marvel fatigue? Or what does he think? Or was that just irrelevant? He doesn't know. Also, that image came after saying we're hypocritical for saying we don't care about Phase 4 and yet we talk all about it. Did we say that we don't? No. Yeah, that's what I mean. That's dead in the water. Well, as far as I'm concerned, there's probably been 11 or 12 times over the course of these 15 years that we've been doing this. Okay, but how do you account for the fact that this Ant-Man potentially lost money? Yeah, the general public are losing interest. Another way to put that is that they're fatiguing on this franchise. You're right. People have been saying, oh, yeah, that's too many superhero films back in 2013 or 2012. But one of them lost money.  When did this video come out? Seven months ago. How long? Sorry? Seven months ago. I guess it's aged not great then. Well, it depends on what his conclusions are. We're not even close. Don't you worry. Cinematic universe thing where the various chunks of the audience or the whole audience has gotten burned out on the whole business, but they keep releasing them. They run on TV all the time and the general audience that doesn't spend all day of their lives like people in film media and hardcore film fans talking on social media about only one thing.  These sentences are horrible. It's like he's reporting from like a war. So what's the same one? The Vietnam War. I'm in downtown like Berlin or whatever. That's going too far back, but like he's like in a war zone with CNN or Fox News or something. His own person in Vietnam, man. Yep, true. His kitchen is his own person in Vietnam. And he's like, man, you've been doing this for so long and I can't get over how bad the audio in the video is.  I think it's particularly poignant though because it sounded like what he was trying to say was like, are all the people who are obsessed with films and talk about it all the time, yeah, sure, they're fatiguing, but the general audiences are just fine. It's like, no, they're not. Yeah, well, I mean, we saw what happened there, didn't we? Talking on social media about only one thing, you know, they reprocess the fatigue over a week or a weekend or something. Well, that's turned out not to be the case. Yeah, because what we say general audiences at this point are tired and we're talking about people who don't spend all that time talking about movies like he's saying. Yeah. I keep hearing people like they're moving over to anime and they're moving over to manga, right? And I mean, do you think that's like general audiences though? Like the kind of people who go watch NCIS or something? Like do you think those people know? I think in terms of like younger people, it is going to be like a slow but steady trend over the next decade or so that anime will continue to grow and these things will continue to wane. I just think the more likely to go to Korean dramas and stuff first.  Mario, yeah. Yeah, maybe. This is what was proven, right?    It's like, oh, shit, something's gone wrong, which I guess this is kind of interesting because like really seven months ago even the writing was kind of on the wall, because seven months ago it would have been by the time that Top Gun was eclipsing like Universal Madness at the box office, which is interesting because you didn't typically say that of like, you know, standard action films like outperforming superhero films. I'm not sure why that didn't factor into his analysis, but damn, I guess we have to throw that on the pile of age pretty badly. Yeah. Because yeah, Avatar 2 wouldn't have been out by now, right? Avatar 2 was like December, so that's like four months ago, but Top Gun was definitely out by this point. I guess. That's under the assumption. Is he saying a meeting, is he saying like the people have a meeting to the site? I don't know. I need to hear that again. That was, he lost me a bit. People talk about things like fatigue like Marvel fatigue Superhero fatigue fantasy movie fatigue blockbuster fatigue sci-fi movie romantic comedy fatigue Understanding him correctly. He's just saying people will could people will whine about it, but they'll consume it at some point again Yeah, I think he's trying to say it's not real. Fatigue's not real, you just say it is. Yeah, but you say that, yeah, the fatigue doesn't, I mean, it's a dumb take because we know that long before Marvel movies were even a thing, we know that fatigue existed, like why did Star Trek disappear for the first time? Because they made four shows over the course of like 15 years and people stopped watching. Yeah, and if you want to say, well, that's not fatigue. That's just people not tuning in. I'd be like, what the fuck? What do you think? I don't know why. What is fatigue other than that? Yeah, exactly. I was so confused by the power he's like meeting.  Like that's just a general trend. Yeah, I think he thinks that like everyone is a collective and they all have to like, he's implying there has to be some kind of top down opinion given to people. And if you don't give them that opinion, they won't have it. So we'll just decide on their own. See, this is the meeting right now because you posted you guys earlier, he thinks that this is the meeting. Like, yeah, the E-faps are the ones that are like directing audiences to not watch anymore. We are here today to tell chat how to feel about fatigue. Well, I mean, this is this chance though, right? He can tell the truth finally to chat. They can finally know what's actually happening with fatigue. Yeah. And there is also there is romantic movie fatigue because I don't remember a romantic comedy or a romantic movie that a trend it's like there is super here. There are like genre of fatigue at some point. Of course. Absolutely. Yeah. So, so I don't know. This feels like copium from Bob. You could Western's war movies, the sword and sandals right? Yeah, basically opposite of the trend. It's like, what is what is fatigue is like is when the thing can't do well because audiences aren't that interested in it. Yeah. Okay. Where's the new disaster movies? There was one every week. Yep. You see that after after a prolonged period of people being really interested in it. So like zombies, yeah, in the 2010s, right?  Well, I guess the relevant part of the equation is it's like it's usually saturation combined with the deterioration in the quality of like a lot of the stories that you're getting, right?  Yeah. Or maybe not even after a while or it gets really bad man. It's like it was amazing. Yeah. If it was amazing all the time, it's like, well, damn, you probably wouldn't see as much fatigue, but even then, you know, like, but it's just like the way that things work, right?  I don't know why he's like baffled by this. You can see these trends like throughout film history, video game history. You see it with video games. Yeah. Different types of genres of games that are popular, different types of like multiplayer modes, whether it be Battle Royale.  Yeah. Like open world games for a while and like shooters back in 2000s just co-op games. Remember that? Good times. Get them co-op games in there. Yeah. Good times. Battle Royales. Yeah. That kind of feels like the newest one, right? That's a good one because it's like you had some really big entries from the Battle Royales, right? Where if it was if it was just quality and not genre fatigue, right, those would have potentially done better than they did, but they failed because people were just tired of playing Battle Royales, right? Like if anything, video games will show you because you know, you've got a I guess a lower barrier to entry to a larger market there. It will show you that these these genre fatigues do exist. I remember all the shitty MOBAs that came out when Ligen like Dota were doing really well. They would be like, this is my MOBA on mobile. Make sure to look it up. Same with like mobile games in general, right? Like when Angry Burns got popular or like Candy Crush. Yeah.  But then again, watch it. Maybe we might agree, but I have some other point to make. Yeah, no, that's that could be true because the thing about it is I used to be one of the people who was like Marvel's not fatiguing. It's doing just fine. The second it changed was box office numbers. That's when I was like, oh, fuck, I don't think it's fine anymore. It doesn't look fine. If that man made a billion and a half, I'd be like, yeah, they're fine. They're doing just fine. But it made a lot less than that. A lot less.  Like man, that's really that's really stupid, man. What is he saying? Top-down enforcement of opinion. People. No one comes up with an opinion on their own. You get it from everybody else. You'll have these meetings. Like first call to order. Mother fatigue. Are we are we fatigued? Yes. Also all fatigues say I, I, all right. Well, the eyes have it. We're fatigued. The next meeting, they're like, are we still fatigued? Tell me destroyed. You have my boat.  Where are you going? Mountain Dew's got to his brain. Stop cooking. There's definitely a section of the Internet that believes that any kind of talking head online, like any kind of YouTuber streamer or whatever, you know, they like control their audiences that top down very, very directly. And so like when you say something, the audience jumps.  Like his projection is he views that with his audience and he views it with everyone's audience, right? That's why a lot of his tweets are kind of really, really out there.  You know, the Gamer Gators are coming or something, right? He says that a lot. There's a lot of this view that like you'd like if the bridge a YouTuber has outsized influence in his view to control these sort of things. I'm just pictured like Residential Full House Defense, but it's Game of Gators movie. Crawling through the windows. Boarding up the windows. So the Game of Goblins can't get in. Man, if you ever want to laugh, just search up Movie Bob's name on Twitter with GamerGate. He still talks about it 10 years on. To your point, though, I think that YouTubers can have kind of an outsized impact on their audience with regards to two smaller things, right?   This isn't this isn't something where one YouTuber can go out there and be like, Marvel's bad, right? Like that's not a thing. I feel like we're one person. He's talking about this like meeting.  They've been going down even to the point of him making this video. It's not even good at that point. I'm baffled by the meeting thing, though. Like, what is this fixation with the notion that people will like get together to essentially decide and collaborate? Well, he's never been with other people is the thing. So he's never. I never get invited to these meetings. It's like, Bob, there are no meetings. It's like, yes, there are. That's his point. That's just about it all this time. That's his point. Movie Bob is imagine it. Wait, wait. So movie Bob is imagining there is a conspiracy that controls everything. Well, just no, I think he's saying like, what are the meetings? There are no meetings, right?  Yeah. Yeah. That thing that you made up. Yeah. That doesn't happen. Yes. Yeah. When you try to dig in because there's no meeting, no one has an opinion. Yeah. The idea of an individual coming up to their own conclusion is beyond.  It's like, no, we just think this. That's something we all think. He basically doesn't believe in the concept of spontaneous order. He thinks that if there's a pattern, someone said it there. Yeah, especially if he disagrees with it, like, because he clearly does the reason why a lot of an audience of a YouTube channel think the same thing is because that's why they're there in the first place. They found a channel who has an opinion that's like resonates with them in the first place. Very few people will go and watch a channel that just is wrong about everything that they think that would be annoying. I watch plenty of channels that I think. There's entertainment in it. You know what movie Bob would say though, sounds like someone who attended the meeting would say Oh my God. The things that the minutes was by the way, how are we feeling about the Marvel movies?  Where are you? I'm bored with Star Wars. I want to table this to know that's not a thing that happens. Yeah, you're right. Nobody said that. Nobody said it.  No one does that. There's no one in the room. They're with you. Where are these beatings, Bob? They have the room with us. Like this is fascinating. It is.  Yeah, like, look, I keep telling you sat and doesn't control your mind. No, people think there are meetings to discuss Marvel fatigue. No, they don't do that. Yep.  This is the next 12 minutes.  What? Why? It's very straightforward. This is the thing. The one thing I would concede on is like you might have multiple definitions. If someone said fatigue is when the movies are getting real bad and people are losing interest or some combination of things as opposed to just if someone said fatigue is in the box office numbers, that's how you can tell. If someone just said that, I was like, oh, it's pretty straightforward. Yeah, there may be people with different ideas of what exactly fatigue means, but what do you mean? It's like academic nonsense. What are you talking about? The Marvelized. Why have you just posted Movie Bob's greatest contribution to culture? Because because this is the kind of take made by someone made by the 38 year old consumer. This idea that fatigue doesn't exist and is just academic because he seems to be the guy that the guy that just constantly consuming all the time. And it doesn't matter the quality of the content that he consumes. It doesn't matter. They just know a constant wave of content should be should be washing over his brain. 24 seven. Does that mean that he thinks that your multiverse of madness video is academic? I don't know. That's a great question. I should have no idea at that point. I don't know if that's a compliment. I don't know what's happening anymore.  And how do you like what about videos that get millions and millions of millions of views of engagement? It's like nobody cares. Like somebody cares. You people ever does truly happen? Like when things do pass out of fashion for like, you know, five or 10 whole years at a time, like Westerns or disaster movies or what? It's not something that you can see until you're 10 or 12 years out from when it happened. No, no, that doesn't change anything, though. Well, is his claim that like you can't predict things? But that's for Todd. It's like, what do you mean? You like, oh, you can't tell until it's like, what is everyone doing trying to predict it? What do you think the film studio is trying to predict trends in the history? When we say model fatigue is like, if so, if I said model take is here and then he goes, oh, they're still making enough money to continue. I'd be like, oh, okay, fine, settling in then. He's like, what does that mean? I go, well, in five to 10 years is a good chance that they will have ground to a halt or at least cycled it so far down that we're getting one per year and it's not even that successful. And then he says, yeah, you can't really say that until 10 years after it's happened. It's like, I guess, yeah, like we don't know that it happens until it happens, but you can make predictions about things that might happen. Yeah. Why can't I just say this about anything he's ever tried to predict ever in any way? Why can't I just say that about you thinking that there is no model fatigue? Yeah, you can't know that until you've got 10 years ahead of there being no fatigue. Yep.  Checkmate. You can see until you're 10 or 12 years out from when it happened and then they start coming back and then you realize, oh, hey, you know, I think there might have been Western fatigue for a while and I did Weston's make a huge comeback 10 years after they went out of fashion. Westerns did not make a huge comeback after they got out. So his premise is drawn again. And the other mention that's about it. Hey, he was amazing.  Well, I don't think I just think things come and go because remember there is that time and like between the I mean, really it was the 50s the 70s when there was a 7 trillion Westerns and they're they just everything we've never returned to that house. It's never happened again. That was there. Yeah, it hasn't and like if someone said, you know, zombies, they happen. They're gonna be happening any time now because it's been 10 years or something. I was like, what? I don't think that's how that works. I think he would point to the the exceptions. Right. He'd be like, oh, there have been Westerns like I don't know. Tarantino made Django, right? Like that's kind of Westerny. You had Cowboys versus aliens, I guess. But like they can't think of it. Yeah, it's not like Western being made. There was Deadwood, but that's about it. Yeah, like Deadwood was really good. But that was right. These were these were exceptions and they kind of prove the rule, right? Because people go, oh, look, a Western. Yeah, yeah. Like one of the big initial appeals of Deadwood is that it is a Western in an era where not many Westerns are being made. Yeah. So kind of stood out just just in that alone. Well, when we come in, how many zombie movies and shows have there been? When we come a train to Busan, I remember there was a distinct era of like zombie movie. I was like, yeah, it's a good one. Remember these? I remember zombie movies. I was like, yeah, yeah, I do. I was like, okay. Tell that because I notice now they're Westerns and they weren't for a while. But you don't see them. Yeah, but that doesn't mean, oh my God. That could literally mean anything on the scale. Like there's some coming back. There's one coming back. There's lots coming back. Yeah, but his premise doesn't work because he's saying that after they come back, everything will come back. But it doesn't. Like what everyone has been saying, like there's one cool cowboy alien thing or one other cowboy movie. And but the whole trend doesn't appear. Like the thing that he's saying doesn't happen. It's happening, right? Like there is superhero, not super. There's cowboy fatigue because after that one movie, the trend doesn't come back, right? Yeah, he's almost treating it like it's so hypersmall scale that the second the movie gets any kind of approval like we hit the top gun trend recently and it's already fatigued. He's like, what? Yeah. No. I'm perplexed by like, does he not think that you can look at like the box office gross of a movie now and make an assessment based on that? Because studios will. And studios can't be very correct. I remember people were calling it if Black Panther would or wouldn't make a billion. Yeah, I thought it was going to make a billion. It didn't. So I think what he said is how he judges things. So it's like, I don't notice it until it's come back and then I realize it's happened. And then as you said, this applies to everyone else. Yeah, he's yeah. I think you're right that he's not too great at it and he's like, so no one is like, okay.  So someone's going to be right. How can studios make decisions about the films that they do like boards? The reason you don't see as many Westerns is because studios don't want to make any more Westerns. Why do they do that? What metrics are they using to make those decisions? Because they're similar metrics that like the general public has access to when it comes to box office gross or budget. Well, yeah. When when Ant-Man makes you're wrong for you. It's just Ouija board is exclusive. Yeah, yeah. When I'm right here at board when Ant-Man doesn't even make 500 million. It's not just all of us going, whoa, that's interesting. Plenty of people in general audiences might be aware of that information. If they have some like interest in it, you know, is really interested in it. It's like Disney. You can be like, oh, well, I'm interested in it. Universal is interested in it. Um, like, um, I can't believe Paramount's interested in it. Well, so we had to have to explain this, but it's like movie come out. Make 10 next one come out. Make 10 next one come out. Make 11 next one come out. Make 12. Like, oh, wow. This is great. Next one come out. Make eight. Oh, oh, no. Put up another one. Seven. Oh, six.  Maybe we should start making these. And then you should wait 12 years and then we'll know. That's like, yeah, like the simplest way you can put it and he's like, yeah, but we're in the middle of that, you know, nine, eight, six, seven thing. Like we can't know fatigue is set again. It's like, yeah, I guess we can't know anything. He's the argument that no one knew is World War One until World War Two happened. Yeah, it's not until World War One was over. Did you know how long it lasted? You're like, yeah, I guess so. You don't know like when a crash like, you know, like when a recession necessarily ends or begins or something like that, but like people are still going to be making decisions like in the midst of that and making predictions. Like certain information doesn't become clear until afterward. I mean, people can't make predictions about the future. You're forgetting the important thing that he laid out earlier, which is that time exists. No, that's true. That's right. That's right. I hadn't thought of that. Yes. You could tell this mother doesn't exercise. We'll have to do it. Time's in the blood. Yeah. Cause like you could get fatigued depending on the intensity of the exercise and that you just not if time isn't a thing.   Oh, he got the checkmate. He got it. He got stumbling into the correct opinion. Time exists. He was he wasn't sure about it, but he went with it. So about is there Marvel fatigue? What they're really asking you, it's always a film critic or a film person who wants to be a film people who are interested in the film. I'm sorry. It's about films more than 11. Is that brawler want to be movie critic? I don't just tell like if a normal person, which you can talk to normal people in real life and they'll say stuff like this. If they say, man, get a little tired of those superhero movies. I feel like a lot of people are too. That's essentially paraphrasing the concept of fatigue. Like they didn't use the word doesn't mean that they're not like talking about the concept. Well, they must want to be movie critics, right? Like that's just said it. The only people. No, it included everybody included movie critics or people that watch movies and talk about movies. So the only people excluded are people who have don't watch movies like everybody else. Like, hey, Martha, do you have to put it on this? She's like, I don't even know what movies are.   Isn't getting paid to do it, but still bitches about movies online all day. Oh, that was you. At one point, you might actually have God forbid an interest in something that's a really denigrating people with a hobby thing to say.  Well, yeah, like you're not getting paid for it. You're not getting paid for you're not doing anything. Well, I mean, that's pathetic, right? If you're not getting paid for it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, doing something while I get paid for it. That's crazy. What's twice about watching Marvel movies? People are there like aspiring to become, you know, creatives and critical thinkers like breaking down all kinds of things.  It's like, oh, are you surprised that movie Bob is espousing a elitist point of view here? Because I have, I think I have the opposite impression you guys have. Can you can you wind it back like 10 seconds? I'm gonna miss something. Film critic or someone who just isn't getting paid to do it, but still bitches about movies online all day. And what they're really asking is, can I, the only people who are who are complaining about this movie fatigue are people who are movie critics or want to be movie critics or people who just like to talk about movies and watch movies. Right, right. So when I first, I thought he was making the argument that like people who get paid, their opinions have been tainted by money and it's not pure anymore. Yeah, no, that would be a good point. But he's not, no, he's saying that like, oh, those of you who didn't make it to become professional movie critics and you just, you know, complain on social media all day about movies. Like, okay, I get it now. Yeah. Yeah, this is an elitist point. And the thing is that it's not even meant to be right.   It's very simple.  So yeah, part one. Nailing. And what they're really asking is, can I please finally stop talking about this? The answer is usually, yes, please do. Nobody wants to hear what you have to say. So there you go. There's this theory that in reality, you guys just want to stop talking about it. Like, what does he make of like the then millions of views on the multi-person? Wait, this, I'm having a headache. This just confuses me. So what he's saying is that everyone that is talking about movies are asking permission to not talk about it. Is that what he's saying? Ben, I really want to talk about this. He's done the mental. He's figured it out, right? Like people who complain about Marvel movie fatigue are just looking for any excuse to stop talking about Marvel movies. Right. What's saying? Exclusively though. Well, he passed up the whole thing said earlier, right? Though we claim not to care and yet clearly we do. It's if any smart person, if they don't want to talk about it, they just won't talk about it. This is retarded. I mean, it could have been saying Marvel fans. Oh my God, he could have been saying before that people that were talking about it before were like just grifting for money.  And now he's saying that all the grifters really want to stop and he wants them to stop, but that wouldn't make sense if they were. He wants them to stop because nobody can get any money out of it. So, oh my God. Yeah, what ultimately what he believes is happening.  But I have to because that's what I get paid for. I'm just going to say, isn't everyone tired of this? Yeah, everybody. Yep.  And I'm sitting like, and that's not, it's such a weird like, I'm not tired of discussing modern like movie releases.  But it shouldn't just be easy to prove, right? If everyone actually loves these movies, he could just go, look, they're really successful. That should be it. There's a too many video job done. No one's bored. That's the thing, right? If Ant-Man had come out and then you made this video, he might have amended a few of these points. Anyway, but of course they kept talking about everyone else is and they'll be left out of the conversation. So what they're really asking is, will everyone else please talk about something that I want to talk about?  Cause it's like clearly, clearly he hates talking about this. He wants to talk about something else. It's like, okay, then do it. It's your channel. Luckily, I mean, surely by now, movie Bob, with all the years that you've put into this, you can talk about whatever you want, right? Well, I get, yeah, yeah. Movie Bob just wants to put the piano out and sing. I suppose the timing of this is really funny, considering that last week we talked about my movie was pretty popular, Tetris movie and 65, a film nobody watched. Nope. Yeah. I mean, Tetris. I don't think either. Like I just have not many people talking about it, but that's in Star Wars from. Yeah, it did. Well, I mean, it's so weird to be singled out by him. When I consider what we choose to talk about is strictly the stuff we care about menu, dude. Yeah, the menu thing to say, you could be directing that conversation, but you don't. But like, does it exist?   Yeah. Oh, so there we go. So now we're starting to get some, now we're starting to get a little bit of honesty here. Almost like he's upset. Some people enjoy talking about this when he hates talking. I was gonna say that's a box tick for projection again. Like that means that just confirmed it. Yeah. You're actually annoyed of having to talk about these movies all the time. You think everyone thinks the same way as you is like, no. It took me a second there because I was I was focusing on his doesn't even I sentence, which just felt like he actually said doesn't even I doesn't.  A little earlier. Yeah, just I spent a lot of time thinking about it. You don't, but like doesn't exist. Does even I, who loves a lot. Does even I in a weird sentence. I got stuck there for a while. I think it's going to catch on. I think he's a he's a bit of a trailblazer.  Everyone's a while.  Yeah, it's funny to be like there is no Marvel fatigue, but even I'm getting tired of talking about Marvel movies. Well, he's making a meeting so we can all talk about this. This is a day or a couple hours.  Walk in, sit down and be like, this is dumb. Yeah, maybe it is setting in actually. Hmm. And you'd walk up to the board and start writing notes and stuff and be like, yeah, I think I think it kind of is, but also kind of isn't like he just wants to be in these meetings, guys. All these looking for. He just wants to go to the meeting. Somebody involved in just the talking about like who's the real critics on honest, like that matters to you a bit, doesn't it?  He's definitely again. Alitism, but you're not a real people. Yeah, you're not a real reviewer. Yeah, right? Like, oh yeah, people who really want to be considered reviewers, but they don't get paid money to do it. It's like, I don't know, man, these are all things that you're choosing to bring up. They're weird. They seem reflective of your attitude. I'm not better. No, I'm not. Yeah, you say that.  But I'm not. So I never wanted to be my coach.  They don't exist, but what am I an invitation? So, so a lot of people think that the whole Lindsay Ellis thing was him like crushing on her and she like, she was kind of being polite, but then like rejected him and it was a big public, you know, but I don't think it was that. I think what it was was it back in the day back when that guy with the glasses.com was the hub of the internet. Lindsay Ellis was on there as the nostalgia check and movie Bob wasn't on there and he wanted to get on there. And I think that's kind of just hung over his head now for 15 years. I think he thinks that she was running some meetings and he was like, Oh, if I can get in. I got to get into those that guy with the glasses meeting guys.  And then I'm back on board because I've got a million other things going on in my life. I don't have time. I don't know. He just admitted that you could see like a million of them get bored, but then he sees a commercial for the next one and he's in like. I'm sure. Yeah, Bob, you've just highlighted a different thing. I don't know if you realized like, I think he's renting now because that's what he's describing is his job. I have so many other things I could be doing. You know, I got so many things to do.  Yeah, man. Like somehow he's managed to work like he's argued all the way around saying it would be sad to be fatigued by Marvel. Like, like how much do you not have gone on your life in order to be bored by superhero movies about a set of films? Like if that's so like, how did you get here?  I'm going to top gun though.  What do you have going on in your life that you think that Batman is fatiguing you from seeing Shazam? We be like, okay, aren't you getting me to the moon? You don't go to those things about everyone's career though. It like walks up to parking attendance. Why do you care so much about the lines on a paper on the on the road? I was thinking about regular jobs, right? Like the notion that they can get bored because they're exhausted with other things in their life that like everything is interesting when they get home because it's so tight from coming home from the store mill. Well, that's that's why a lot of people are angry. This is their entertainment. This is their escapism and you've ruined it.  So they're after all their entertainment. I like how does he account for like audiences on like the watch YouTube videos in like the millions? Like how does he account for that? Like interest in like analysis of films on that scale that's that's got to be heaps of like normies or what there are tons of videos. Everyone. Yes, of course. And I spend all that time on there. What's going on with you that you can be? It kind of seems like you should have other things going on in your life. Oh my God. Unbelievable. I can't get used to our hobbies. It's amazing. He's argued that if you feel bored by superhero movies, you have no life. His blur is manually done. It's not tracked to him as he moves away. It stays and he's even leaning into the blur section. I think you're right. Yes. Manually done. That's right. This is not even. His argument seems to be that if you care enough about these movies to complain online that you're getting fatigued by how there's too many of them. You're kind of getting tired of it. You've added too many things. No, you didn't. You didn't have those things in there. He just said if you're fatigued by instead, he was very, very straightforward fatigued by it when you should be fatigued by other more meaningful things in life, then you're sad, like to be fatigued by superhero movies. Jesus. That's pretty strict. I thought this would go, but here we are. Yeah, I mean, they're actually like to take.  I guess I'll go watch a movie. And it's like, well, I haven't. I don't watch superhero movies all the time. So I'll never get bored of these. Woohoo. It's like, do you know what humans are like? When you go to the cinema and it's like, you know, what do you want to see?  And you're like, yeah, I don't really want to go to see another superhero movie.  The majority of the people who watch these films are just normies. Like you think like you think like Marvel movies were making a billion dollars off of like film buffs, but regular film goers watch these films. Yeah, but regular film goers have stopped going to watch these films. Well, that's the part of this video. There's not in here. That information hasn't been accepted. Well, we tied together with his whole, you know, people who talk about this are elitist stuff. And I don't I think maybe his whole argument is that you should care so little about what you put into your your gullet that you just shove it in. Yeah, that you shouldn't get bored of it. You shouldn't be bored because you don't care enough because it's just is just content. Hashtag content just feed it into yourself. At that point shouldn't all movies just be successful? I don't know exactly. Why does anybody have any preferences? You know, what is it? Yeah, yeah. Well, and and also there's the Christmas that he's making is basically like a coat. You can hang on anything.    It's like, oh, you're talking about this. You care enough to talk about it. It's like, well, you don't have to comment. You care enough to care enough that the other people are talking about it. Let's just keep going. And then he'd be like, yeah, well, you're even worse because you're caring about me caring about you caring about it and you're caring about me caring about me caring about you caring about it. All right. Oh, true. Well, you know that meme where there's the guy in the corner at the party? That's Bob and he's like, they don't even know I don't have more fatigue. Other things going on in your life. But okay, hyperbole about the need for entertainment media to manufacture, you know, it's kind of a shame we're not still on that version of him because he was a little bit more normal speaking. Yes, he was. He was. Now we're back to one minute long sentences. Yeah, extra conflict narratives where they don't exist because all the real conflict narratives in the industry these days. What? You mean like the one that you've created? Yeah. Dude, how do you know? Extra conflict narratives where they don't exist because all the real conflict narratives in the industry these days are corky. Ah. Comcast bigger than Disney market cap. I didn't know that. Oh, this is old. This is before Fox. See, it's Disney and then there's Fox. This is out of date. And also like, yeah, like, what are we? What's meant to be done with this? This is the real conflict. Disney, Disney makes a lot of money. Therefore, like it's they're indifferent to like potential lost revenue. I guess he's just saying this is the real fight. The ones that you guys are making. All right. They're right because it's the proletariat in the bourgeois or whatever. Probably a corporate level and are thus, well, perhaps more difficult to cover since they involve everybody's bosses him. Well, if we're playing along and acting like there's something here, it's the question of whether or not simply the Marvel cycle, but the whole shared universe comic book superhero genre mashup, whatever we're calling it now cycle has hit its peak as the centerpiece of blockbuster entertainment and is we pass the peak. Does he think that it's like witty to just have the sentence be really long? It's also, yeah, because those are like useless words and they were redundant words anyway. Wait a second. The fact that he admits that there is a peak in trends means that there has to be fatigue. That's the end of the trend. Well, remember, he even said he feels fatigue.  That just makes the whole video hard to follow. Well, he was already hard to follow. What am I saying? He's now on the predictable downward trend that and if so is this observable in the reception of the various face for movies at the box office, which outside the ones where we're adjusting based on covid still having been Oh, he's doing the covid cope. Well, that's okay because at this point, Thor Love and Thunder and Multiverse would have been out. So, you know, like, I guess there are other great successes count. No, I don't talk about them. Even talk about like non-marvel movies. Oh, right. So like you can't use the covid excuses. That's what I'm saying. Yeah. Even pediment have been putting up big, but not Avengers big numbers. Hmm. Hmm. So hit because the real question is, was there an expectation that like multiverse of madness was going to make a billion dollars? I get the impression that the answer was yes and it didn't made close to that, but it didn't make quite that. You know, and that matters. It does not Avengers good audience response apart from that one that was Avengers all spider-man's edition and the streaming TV show releases, which now arrive at a regular pace and consistent caliber enough to have a rapidly evolved from there's a new Marvel show and it's the only thing pop culture will talk about for the next month and a half to Oh, another one of these girl Hulk now. Um, doesn't that I'm sorry. How can you say that and then be like, Yeah, but there's no fatigue. Yeah. Sounds like that would be an element of fatigue. You can consider the stuff to be special anymore. Hmm. They're just normal events. They're just okay.  Come on. I mean, I'm letting him argue for us at this point. I mean, yeah, he's taking care of a couple of the characters already. Hey, maybe that sounds nifty. I'll probably watch that until the by now reliable point either at mid season or the very last episode where something really potentially huge maybe happens to set up other movies, characters, concepts, etc. That everyone has been hoping to see appear return or just get mentioned, which then leaks to social media and everyone loses their minds or Esther run back and that would sound right away. So it's just horrible, but he's also I think trying to say like you see the cycle is alive and well. A thing comes out. People are okay with it, but it hits its last episode. Everyone gets super excited and the cycle continues. It's like, do you know anything about the state of these shows? Their engagement or obviously the box office slowly degrading for him. It's like, how is this not relevant information? Yeah, the way that's proving the entire premise of this whole discussion pointless and also well, that's Polish. Yep. It's Polish. Yeah. It sounds like he changed mics in between the take there for something like something radically changed. Sounds like shit. Yeah. Yeah, maybe he's maybe now he's finally swallowed whatever he was eating and now he's talking or makes me sound with but just to to sign sort of summarize what he's saying here because I'm having a real hard time with this video. Really? So so Marvel fatigue does not exist because the only people we're talking about it are people who watch movies, but we know it doesn't exist because the average person they get fatigued by it and so do I as movie bog also get fatigued by it. But it's okay because eventually I will see a new shiny thing and get obsessed with it again and come back into it and that'll be why fatigue doesn't though it does exist. Of course, but it doesn't. Am I like one of you messes that we know it doesn't exist because by the time you can actually point to it having existed. It's already been it's already been that way for 10 years. I can't hear the majority.  Well, yeah, there's nothing coherent in here. It's all crazy. Yeah. People will just by the time people will get tired, the new shiny thing that connects the Marvel product is connecting it to the next Marvel product. So people will get excited again, despite the fact that movie Bob described fatigue. You didn't even said he gets fatigued. Yep. Yeah. Right? Oh, like I'm trying. What do you want me to think? I'm willing. I've signed hours of my time to try to hear you. You want to learn from you, Bob? I want to learn help me out here. Throw me a bone. Esther run back and binge the whole thing right away, thus proving the entire premise of this whole discussion pointless and also why they're just going to keep winning this game until the death of the actual goddamn universe. No, they've already started losing just. I've lost this game anymore. They're not winning the game. Like now it's it's they're not at the top of the box office anymore. He's him. He's simping for Disney. What he's saying is people just eat the product anyway.  It doesn't happen. Oh, yeah, which is like the most poorly timed time to say this in the MCU's entire history. Yeah, you'd said this at any other point. You'd be right. But now you now is the time you can't say this. And meanwhile, the movie theater comeback story of 2022, which heading in the whole industry had basically resigned itself to accepting as being the final opportunity for Marvel and Disney to swagger in and cement their dominion over the next 15 to 20 years of cinematic culture by being that chewed up audio, you know. No, right.  Come on, man.  Turns out people really wanted to see Top Gun part two. Huh? Who knew? Which I mean, I knew. I knew the whole damn time. Did you know it? Did you know it was? Did you know it was going to make like one and a half billion dollars? Nobody knew that. Nobody knew the whole time.  I was a genius. Nobody knew it. Nobody knew that. That's why I don't. Why would you doubt him? Listen to ranks. Have faith in movie, Bob. Very well. Not know the whole time. Time. I mean, look, time time. Yeah, I'm done. What's the time time? Anyone to see both that and stuff like everything everywhere all at once come out and crush it this year so we can at least get some spark of variety going again. That's a good thing. But I'm not sure. Describing fatigue. Yeah, when when a whole bunch of other stuff is doing really well, a model isn't. What do you think that's indicative of? Yeah, exactly. Very straightforward, Mr. Bob. I don't understand. I'd be treated like someone to start on a secret mystery formula. When I could have told you Top Gun 2 would have been the biggest. Oh, yeah, you could have told him about it, Bob. You could have told. Oh, I thought somehow I'm pressing extra dot.  He knew. Come on. He knew. You know. Here it came out immediately after Top Gun 1. Like the only reason it took this long to get a Top Gun 2 is that back when Top Gun 1 came out, it wasn't necessarily the kind of movie you immediately did a sequel to and Tom Cruise pivoted to draw. That's your that's your insight. It wasn't necessarily the kind of movie you make a sequel to. Top Gun was pretty successful, but it wasn't as successful relatively as Top Gun Maverick. I think I think it made like 60 70 million, which, you know, in the 80s, right? But I think, oh, no, wait, no, that that film. It did make a lot of money, but like, you know, not like 1.5 billion dollars. Well, I'm pretty sure it didn't make that much money. Sounds like cope all of it because this is actual information that kind of fucks with the narrative, right? So he's got to, like, try and chelf it. It has to find a way to read the sexual. Yeah, this is again. I know. It's making. Top Gun made $357 million dollars in 1986. That's really good on a budget of 15 million.  Um, it's not 1.5 billion dollars. Yeah. Promise even for inflation. It's not 1.5 bill even adjusted for inflation. That's not 1.5, right? Surely. I don't know. Maybe I could be close. But I doubt it at least. Yeah, I could believe that awards. And after that, the Mission Impossible series became his big action franchise instead. Also, sidebar. Can you stop pretending there's this big meaningful difference between the Mission Impossible movies and Marvel DC? What? Oh, my God. Mission Impossible. You have to. You have to. Oh, my God. Oh, my God. Oh, my God. Oh, my God. Oh, my God. Oh, my God. Oh, my God. Oh, my God. You know, at that quantum meteor Mission Impossible fallout is basically the same. Damn, that's like really lame and reductive to, like, compare Mission Impossible with the amount of effort and profit goes into the film making. No, Fringy. No, Fringy. It's not.  His attitude towards film is oddly similar to his attitude towards food. Yeah. Oh, I was going to make that joke and rags B.B. to it. Damn it. Sidebar. Can we stop pretending there's this big meaningful difference between the Mission Impossible movies and Marvel DC, whatever superhero stuff?  What is these?  They're kind of the same, really. I'm sorry.  So I did find most of that series to be kind of overrated installment to installment.  Not me. It's not me. It's meaningful difference between that's just it's possible and Captain America is that it doesn't team up with Sonic the Hedgehog. Right. We've heard this argument a million times. This is on the money. That isn't it. You know, I said that it's an appreciable difference actually that Ethan Hunt doesn't team up with Sonic the Hedgehog or Maximus Decimus Murray. That is I don't know, man. That's just kind of true. That if they did that movie, I'd be like, you know, Mission Impossible is just like Captain America. The thing is he'd be like, that's a joke. It's like, yeah, but it's like inaccurate.  I don't even get the analogy. That's the point. He's saying that the main thing that separates the Mission Impossible movies from like Marvel is the fact that he doesn't eventually every five years do a team up movie. Yeah. It's like that's an appreciable difference, my man.  It is really really between the Mission Impossible movies and the Captain America movies is that in between the sequels, Ethan Hunt doesn't team up with like Gladiator, Robocop and it calls him gladiator. Like I said before, as far as I'm concerned, these culture fatigue questions are usually the wrong question or at least asked in the wrong way. Okay. What is the right question? What's the right question? Give us a question. Wrong. Did we just get to the actual point of this video? Maybe. You can never really know if they're about to hit us. The last question is the answers that get the most attention are almost always going to be the ones that don't give you anything like a good faith or unbiased reading, but instead twist things up to serve the agenda of the person doing the answering. Ask someone who loves the Marvel. Not this video though. Yeah. See, so the problem with everyone else is that they'll give you a narrative that focuses on whatever, well, an answer that focuses on their narrative, you see, but he's going to give us the cold, hard truth. I'm excited. I'm ready for it. To death would happily watch nine more movies and a dozen more shows a year and practically lives at Avengers Campus Disney and they'll tell you not only no, never, but they'll have an excuse for every single shortcoming. So well-practiced. Short. Shortcoming. Where did that short come from? Different people have different opinions because I think that's a good point. Lies, you went to the meeting and you absolved the same thing I did. I was too busy. I was at the secret NASA meeting on the moon base where we talk about how we hide the flat earth from people. So I missed the meeting on how we decide artificially which movies and franchises do and do not get fatigue. Yes. I think it's the gas we put in the theaters that we would pump in a little gas and it makes people like want more or want less. Only no, never, but they'll have an excuse for every single shortcoming. So well-practiced Kamala Khan would tell him to rain it in a bit. She blasted through Santa's fleet like a flaming angel. What happened to the audio quality? Jesus, this is so chewed up. There's the video. It's just mess. It's very appropriate that Booby Bob's editing. I think he's right. I think he's recording this off his mic. So it's like playing through the speakers in his mic. You might be right. And he's recording the footage. You might be right. The footage is just downloading the video.  You know why this is this is music, right? Do we need to talk? Hopefully, that's we're right. And we're just about to end. On the other hand, if you ask YouTube or adjacent social media loudmouths, Marvel Studios, what happened to the microphone? What?  Listen to that. On the other hand, if you ask YouTube or adjacent social media loudmouths, Marvel Studios, what the fuck? I'm rocking. What?  He walks in the room.  He's recording while walking around. He was in the bathroom recording the microphone and then blending them together. Like, post.  I'm so mad. What happened was he was recording with his USB mic and it wasn't plugged in. Yeah, somebody said it wasn't plugged in all day.  Mid-words?  That's the only thing that makes sense, smaller. It suddenly became okay after he noticed that it was a plug and fault. He's just like sitting there, not caring, playing with his plugs and there's just like more of them going in. It's like, sounds better now. On the other hand, if you ask YouTube or adjacent social media loudmouths, Marvel Studios, oh my God. That's so funny to me. It's gotta be like, it's like a faulty microphone and it's like the connection is bad. It's not plugged in all the way or the USB port is just fucked. Yeah. It's like sparking while he's talking. What's annoying? Maybe having his head turned. What's annoying is that? No, the quality is different. Like, it feels like it's increasing the bit rate. Yeah, and it made words so it's not even a cut. Yeah.   He gets paid for this. Allegedly.   Does he even watch these back? Do you think he just does it that he just sets it out? Yeah. A lot of people don't. They say they don't like their own voices, so they never... But he can help you catch stuff like this. On the other hand, if you ask YouTube or adjacent social media loudmouths, Marvel Studios has been over since 2019 and is now only getting more over because there's an increase. Hold on, can you play it once more real quick? I can indeed. I'd love to hear it. Again? Okay. There we go. He just needed a break, you know? Can't a woman just live? On the other hand, if you ask YouTube or adjacent social media loudmouths, Marvel Studios has been over. I can observe. Okay. What is it? Where Switch is a... Like a mystery novel. There's a little click there, so it sounds like maybe he'd like change his mic. Something will echo you as well before it. Movie Bob is like an Agatha Christie character. Come to life. Yeah. The previous mic, it also sounds like there was some sort of heavy heavy noise filtering on it that failed. And like half of his half of his voice was like filtered out if you listen to it. Yeah, I get you. On the other hand, if you ask YouTube or adjacent social media loudmouths, Marvel Studios has been over since 2019 and is now only getting more over because... Oh! Do you think he was running distortion over the previous clip so it didn't get detected by copyright? And then it bled as well. Oh, I could be it. And he turned it back on after he started talking again. But like the way that Vegas works, that's like, that takes more work to do to apply it to a different clip and only part of that different clip.  Strange guy. I mean, he lost his... He lost his editor, right? Yes. Maybe he doesn't know how to edit. He ate his editor. He ate his editor.  And I was like, well, there is an argument for that. There's plenty. There's all kinds. It's funny because he says like, oh, we've all got this like hive mind opinion about the end of the MCU. But people could call the end of it at Endgame or Loki like kind of we did or maybe maybe She-Hulk was it for someone is like, no, it's dead now.  That that moment that was it. It was over from then on. This idea that he's like, see, you guys were wrong. But it's like, well, wait, what did they say? Did they say that it was going to stop making money or did they say that creatively it was dead as of 2019? There are arguments you can make because there's an increasing number of lab women and uppity non-white people in the movies. And as proof you need only look at the numbers, which OK, that's kind of dubious since now what we've got for the numbers in this case are box office numbers half of which still have pandemic recovery instead.  I don't know how long that you just can't. You just can't. So which is it though, Bob? Is it the racism and the sexism or is it COVID? I don't know which one he was blaming here. Well, if you're in the behavior are we going with? You can try and stretch out the box office of MOM by saying, you know, if it wasn't COVID, it would have hit that billion. OK, it's like good luck trying to argue that with Ant-Man, which, like I said, it came out right after this video. So he doesn't get to have that a part of it.  Few people out there wearing masks, you know, that's not stopping him from going to watch Marry, either. No. Dead, dead.  Or hoisting boots made more money than that. So, so nice to hear. I love hearing it every time. It's makes me so happy. The little cat got way more than the ant. Yeah. They were not yet released in this or that large territory asterisk smeared all over them or streaming stats, which are not independently tracked in a reliable fashion and only selectively. Let me help you out with that movie, Bob. When Loki came out, they were like, oh, my God, records are breaking. Oh, yeah, this is good. Oh, yep. Season two is happening. Woohoo. All the other ones. Yeah, they're doing fine. That's right. They're fine. What do you mean? They're great. Moon Knight did pretty well, but everything else was lower than Loki. I think Loki was the peak in terms of viewership. Besides, I'm sorry, but like, I just don't trust it anyway. Like the amount of fudging they've done with and what they've said, like Amazon about rings of power, for example, the idea that kind of like shady shit isn't being done with Marvel, too. Well, yeah, I can pet box office, which is just that is the number. Yeah, I like the box office of so reliable compared. I do trust them when they fire a bunch of people and say, maybe we're not going to make this show anymore. I think that's pretty reliable. It's so successful. We don't need a season two. It's fine. Yeah, because that's the thing right at this point. Just when he looks at the slight right now, Ant-Man lost money. The like Disney Plus is streaming service in general. You know, lots of these projects are getting delayed. Why is that?  Why don't you like fast track in that, right? Get it in the fiscal year, bump up the numbers. Well, unless, you know, you're not delay all that free money. Dude, do you remember the the comments made about Willow season two? Someone just mentioned in chat where they basically try and talk around the fact that it's a complete like failure. They're like, Oh, you know, actors have got some stuff they got to do that makes it so that we're maybe going to shelve it for a little while. That's all. Yeah, we're just going to. Yeah, we just don't want them on contract because they're so talented and we just want to let them do their own thing and everything. And it's not canceled. There's just, you know, we're just not working on it currently and this adventure will continue. So many people say they love it. Meanwhile, like what? A week after Mario Miyamoto is like, Oh, yeah, there'll be there'll be more Nintendo movies. Yeah, like it was like two or three days later like Donkey Kong, definitely. Actual successful shows. Stranger Things launches this fourth season and immediately this post about season five. These are the dates going to start getting written.  They talk about like how this is going to be emotional experience. This is the kind of thing we're looking to do this whiteboard. All these announcements and coverage and interaction with with the shows the nature of this thing. It's the same like with video games, right? Like when a game does really well, it'll be like his. How many copies we sold when a game doesn't do so well? Well, here's a number that we shipped or well, you know, it cumulatively it had the highest like amount of money made, you know, in this period. It's like, oh, man, like it's usually matter of fact when something's a success. I mean, they want to boost about it. There will be four and five because too much money. Yeah, I guess a more contemporary kind of comparison here would be maybe the last of us, right? Where they announced the last of the two on episode one. Yeah, exactly. The numbers are good enough that it's like, all right, well, yeah, new seasons happening.  They would have made a second season if it was like it reflects in the fact that Loki got a second season and Moon Knight's getting a second season. I think there are normally one like Velma.   Like it'll happen where like two seasons were already commissioned sort of thing. Oh, absolutely. Yeah. I mean, look at our cane, right? Like that that was actually so successful. They probably greenlit for like many seasons, not just the second one. That works sometimes. Rick and Morty, right? They're out till like season 10 they were purchased out. Same for South Park. They're well ahead of their schedule. It brings an hour. That's got five seasons. It's got to be great. That's the thing that five seasons before they even started filming season one. So it's like, yeah, so those anomalies can be explained.  And we usually know what that is, right? Like I bring up the Rick and Morty thing. We knew that they were bought out until season 10 years ago, right? Like we knew that. Yeah, that was off the season three, I think. So we know a lot of the reasons why these shows are still on the air, even if they're not necessarily super enjoyable anymore, right? Because that's part of the industry and we know about it. When these things are, oh, it was signed up by Netflix for four seasons. It's like, we know that already. So if these shows aren't being brought on for another season or are being brought on through Disney for another season, right? We know, I guess intellectually, we can kind of figure out that it's because it's doing well, right? Loki's getting a season two. She-Hulk isn't at least right now. Hawkeye isn't at least for now. Miss Marvel isn't at least for now. I think that one might be. Well, I was going to say, you could argue that she's got her sequel in the form of the movie anyway.  The box office on Miss Marvel. That's the chungo. Everyone's waiting to see what'll happen with that one. Ain't looking good. Guardians will tell us as well a little something as if that movie does noticeably worse than usual.  And then, of course, how does a movie Bob Square way like Shazam completely failing? Was that out by then? It wasn't, right? No, but I mean, I mean, I mean now at this point, you know, like where right now he surely this would be a case of I need to reexamine this take. Oh, yeah. Well, it's movie Bob. He'd say, no, I'm still right. I'm going, okay. I mean, that's a great attitude to have that when like new information, you know, comes to you that you don't change your mind. But hey, maybe he would, you know, he would. Kind of retract in a reliable fashion and only selectively available and to take our word for it fashion from the actual studios. But OK, Black Widow, Shang-Chi and Eternals all did about as well as things could do during the pandemic. And is that true? Is that really true? This is hold up. This is a 60. This is a what? Let's see. About a 60 million dollar difference between two of these at least. That's a pretty big. That's a decent size. Yeah. Well, because as I understand it, Shang-Chi was all right for the budget that I had. Eternals was not. I'm pretty sure that's the one that was like, oh, damn, didn't do didn't do too great. And of course, Black Widow, you know, not only did the Eternals not do that great, but Cosmona only gave it a four out of 10. Yeah. Oh, no. I'm assuming by the way, what was that? No way home is going to be discounted because Spider-Man assuming this. Well, because Eternals came out about a month before Spider-Man and Spider-Man weighed two billion dollars. Right. So during the same time as Eternals, that's a good spider-man is apparently we had no way home. We had fast nine. Yeah. We had no time to die. We had Venom, which I think made more nine. I think Venom made about 500 million. Right. We had Godzilla, Godzilla, right? Like there were there were other films that did I remember sing to did better than Black Widow here. So like, yeah, he's wrong. He's very wrong. And if he brings up Spider-Man, the counter should be how much did amazing Spider-Man two gross, right? Spider-Man alone isn't enough all the time to just generate that kind of money. Damn. Now that I'm actually because now that you've yeah, no time to die made seven hundred and seventy four million dollars. I came out around the same time, though I believe that that film wasn't quite a success because it was so expensive to make. Super expensive. Yeah. So once the two did better in the box office than yeah, Venom made 500 million. Shang Chi made 432 million and Venom, I think came out around the same time. So like, I don't know, man, like seems like that doesn't really explain it. No, I don't. I'm sorry, but you're not going to be able to stop the populace from seeing a movie.  We saw that this happened. It's played out. Yeah.  So four hundred million global is about what about the audience? Yeah, you can't make that excuse. And it made eight hundred million dollars. What about Ant-Man when that came out? Ant-Man made six hundred million. It's like Ant-Man. How many people heard about Ant-Man? Yeah, you can't. You can't go with this. These excuses. This is Cope, Bobbit. Cope. All the evidence anyone should need that a brand still works because nobody has ever cared about the Eternals. Spider-Man did great. Yeah, because there was this huge contingent of people who desperately cared for Ant-Man before that came out. Yeah, we got in the wasp. I love Ant-Man in the wasp. Oh, so much. Dude, it's just Gaudians, man. How many people are full Gaudians should come out? No bad Gaudians. Everyone knew. When they said the Gaudians is coming out, I was like, yes, the tree. Yes, the Gaudians are the guys. I was like, yes, I always wanted them to make a sequel to that owl movie. Yes. Like, I remember people being like, I don't know what that is. That's going to be a bad film. Why is Marvel making this? Right? I did. Yeah. I distinctly remember what I got to announce. It's like a talking tree like in a rocker. It was a tree. And it could have failed easily. But it was good. Well, I think it wasn't Amanda Sophrid was up for Gamora, but she didn't want to do it because she didn't want to be part of Marvel's first failure, I believe, was what she said. Like, whoa. I mean, it was a risk. That one was a risk. Yeah, I'm not going to judge her too hard. I mean, look at all the things that Sean Connery ended up turning down, you know. So, I mean, sometimes you just have no idea. Sometimes it's really shitty. He's going to try and glide past Spider-Man as fast as possible, isn't he? This was Spider-Man. That's why I'm moving on. Dr. Strange 2 did better than... Oh, wait. What did he say about Spider-Man? Hang on. He said... Bran still works because nobody has ever cared about the Eternals. Spider-Man did great. Dr. Strange 2 did better than Dr. Strange Thor... Wait. Dr. Strange 2 made $9.55 million? Yes. I didn't realize that. I thought it was like in the 700s. No, but it declines over the year, which is the interesting thing. What did Black Panther end up at? You mean we're kind of forever old for this one? Yeah, that made $859 million, which, you know, that's like $400 million less than the first film. And that's less than most of the guys made, you know? Something else that people like to track is that first weekend drop-off. Like, was this really addictive of the state of Marvel? Because it keeps getting like... What was the worst one? Was it Thor Love and Thunder or was it... I think Thor came in... Oh, I mean Ant-Man. Oh, Ant-Man had the biggest drop, I think, like of any Marvel film. Yeah. Well, because that's people going home and being like, yeah, you don't need to go see that. Yeah, compared to the 41... Wait a minute, can Kill as well as Promote, you know? But also, I think the stuff like Dr. Strange, people went to see it because they liked the first movie, whereas things like The Eternals would ride off the... like the reputation of Marvel itself, because no one would know them. So that's the, yeah, that's the kind of base level of your core audience and your core fans. So if that's doing badly, these aren't proving a point. They're just showing that these are the numbers that you should be making when people like what you make. Because the Guardians comparison is perfect. Is that Guardians was floated by the health of the MCU. The Eternals was not. And you know, something that's worth considering is like comparing Dr. Strange to Dr. Strange 2 that is being marketed as a big multiverse movie. There's that. There's also that like in