All right, if you are in the periscope or YouTube land Shoot me a comment so I know that you guys are alive out there because I'm on re-stream and if I'm on re-stream That means I don't know you're there unless you comment for those of you in periscope land and YouTube. What's up? Tell me what's up Charlie is a journal and in the house yet. I haven't seen him Hello, Michelle hippie the hills is here. Geron Allen is here right on Awesome pink turtle is here. Is this your first time pink turtle? I will have not recognized the name um I will say it again guys if you're in periscope land or YouTube shoot me a comment because I'm re-streaming and that's the only way I know you're there Lee Ken welcome Zebulin Dawson. Hello All right Oh, well pink turtle says it's her first time Coming through the show. So you guys know what to do give pink turtle a round of applause a round of hello's For joining us today Charlie says hello to pink turtle Egan of florida. How are you doing? all right See guys. See how accommodating you guys are And and here's what's funny. We have our own language. We have our own rules here and we have our We have our own little community in which we operate. Oh and My general Jen is in the house. So periscope is being taken care of welcome Jen. I hope you've had a good weekend And right on we have some new people in instagram land and They are And they are getting acquainted as I mentioned. We have rules We have we have law. We have order here in in our little community and Uh pink will soon find out how we operate. All right so couple things guys, you know I actually I was trying to think of what I put together as um My topics today and oh So here's so I wanted to do this Bit on distraction today because there is a lot of distraction Going out you guys and instagram can't see animal. There you go He's he's here. All right. So I wanted to talk about distraction and I don't I don't normally Hang out on instagram. I don't find the platform I I just don't like it. It just it doesn't it doesn't work for me. Yes. I like going live talking to you guys And the people I interact with on instagram are pretty much all Popping into the show this morning But for me, I just find it a a um I don't know a vapid uh platform like It's more for pictures and visuals than ideas where I I consider Periscope I consider Uh twitter more of an idea platform. They all have their issues and they are all snapping down on Well what we call free speech and what they call whatever they want to call it. Anyway, my point being My my point being is have you guys ever been If you use instagram, I would imagine you guys mess around with the explore page Well, here's what I've noticed about the explore page now I have two accounts the one i'm speaking to you on now, which is the art of charm account And I also have my personal Uh instagram account. You could find that in john underscore zubat And Both of them on the explore page Sort of show the same thing. Yeah, it's all about jennifer says it's all about booty That's what I want to talk about is every so if now For for jenn for you who just mentioned that and for you guys who are watching from instagram Obviously my art of charm account is has tons of self development People that we follow inspirational people workout people But how come the explore page is nothing but girls in yoga pants That is it.  Oh, yeah, and black lives matter that's And then on my on my personal page Because I use the tag rock and roll or hollywood glam or things like that it's it's rather than girls in yoga pants and athletic uniforms on track It is it is tattooed girls Like it's rock and roll tattoo girls Those are the girls on the thing or just tattooed, but they're not even rock and roll girls I have not posted anything about tattoos. In fact Considering some of my friends. I'm tattooless. I have a couple meaningful ones. That's another story, but I'm not a tattooed Guy oh jenn is Charlie says that's all your fault. Jen. That's the booty picks are all yours Um Jen says she was told that she has the post booty picks to have an account terms of service Well, charlie says he likes to do the yoga pants now here's So this goes into The eye Well, the topic that I wanted to discuss with you guys today How is anybody supposed to concentrate on their life in making gains Because the better you are the better your world is around you and the better your life is So those are the things that you should be focused on How are you able to focus on these things When every time you flip on instagram It's booty picks now what I want to know is For you ladies who are watching this stream So jenn ever tells me hers is nothing but booty picks. So it's yours Like athletic sweaty guys on on instagram doing their workout thing or or washing the dishes in a In an apron or out there working on the car. Is that what you ladies instagram explore pages are about or? Or do you ladies just get fed more ladies where you're constantly in a mode of of having to switch in to compare and contrast which It's all about who you follow what you follow. Well, christina Tally says hold on. She's gonna check. I want you. I want to know christina So it's a you says it's all about what you follow I don't follow yoga accounts on either of my instagram It just might say that in my profile that I am mel and that I'm straight and it feeds me There christina says compare and contrasting I don't Pink turtle says I don't see any pics of guys or girls.  Well You might be the exception to the rule. Well, that's that's good to hear. I'm glad everyone's just not getting fed booty pics but my my point in this And and I don't because the art of charms account is is self development fitness Right, so I just get paid I just get fed yoga pants and And and and I mean when I say the girls are on the track wearing athletic uniforms I don't mean that in a in any other way other than the tiniest shorts and athletic tops. I mean, it's Can I I'm just going to be honest as a guy I find it incredibly distracting Uh So we have a uh, it's uh Periscope guy says I'm here for the purpose of self-expression. I hope that is okay by you Well, I don't really know what that means, but General Jen is the moderator over there in periscope land. So she's going to let you know Whether or not your self-expression is appreciated in our forum So we'll see how that works um so So this goes into this idea of if the better you are The better your world is around you, which is the The better your your life is now if I'm every time that I'm switching on the instagram my So Jess says I don't follow any beauty instagramers My entire feed is all makeup fitness posts and it makes me interested in using Less interested it makes me less interested in using the program. Yeah, I mean It's When you As this Jen says she's looking at her explore page This is the thing. I don't want to go on to instagram if I I'm going to get badger by the stuff now. Here's It's it's more likely to use a platform that's id and text space Yeah, well for myself it is because I'm focused on Putting out the certain messages now. Here's the thing about it You can say more in a picture than you can in 280 characters but and As we talked about marketing a few weeks ago and I was talking about the importance of optics and the emotional pool And the emotions that you want to have in your optics In order to persuade somebody to click on the picture to click on a marketing message To click into action. The pictures need to be Explosive with emotions The the most powerful emotions that you can invoke is in somebody Is desire why because it's rooted in our most Powerful and basic instinct Sex to procreate I And I even made this joke that it has taken me into my forties where I'm actually able to concentrate on a thought and work through it without getting sidetracked by The the strongest emotional Need and want and desire pool and the human consciousness. It's awful. I mean So when you When you exploit that and of course, that's what instagram models Are going to want to do because that's how you get likes and clicks and the rest of stuff. I mean the pictures I are a lot of them are highly suggestive. That's about probably the best way I can say that but my The the point in that is when we're talking about being Focused on our lives The smallest amount of a conscious emotional pool When you realize so let's say that you go on to the instagram discover page You see some of these posts and you're and you clicked on one of the picture and before you know it You're looking at a timeline and you you stay to yourself. Oh, what am I doing? I gotta get out of here.  How much of that time is just sweeping through now? I realized this Because I've been saying on this show since we've started it in march, which was social media In all of its glory Is is the the psychological experiment that has gone or that has gone awry We we are now paying the price of sensationalism a screen on our faces at all times Messaging and a culture war that has spilled out over industry Yeah Tally stop tally says her explore page is nothing but joe biden sniffing kids. Okay You made me laugh But here we are trying to be productive and trying to work on ourselves And we have all this distraction So I just wanted to know from you guys who were on insta what your explore page was like And I wanted to bring that up because I had noticed it as I said it was nothing but athletic girls and they're all like Late teens early 20s.  How can anybody concentrate when your feet is full? I don't you know to tell you the truth. I wouldn't even know how to get rid of all that stuff I could Is there a is there a filter where I could say enough with the girls in yoga pants on my Explore page the other thing is I'd rather see all of you guys I would rather see All of everyone that I follow in my explore page. Why am I being? And who knows this account has been open for a long time. Maybe we follow some Of these yoga. I'll go through and look, but it's really it's ridiculous. I just wanted to see everyone else is however Jen says it. It's nothing but booty picks for her as well I mean, isn't that the whole point to keep you on the app as long as possible Go to ig settings clear your history. I just looked it up. Ah, good. Thank you very much Yeah, I would rather see Charlie's post and tally's post and jaren allen's post and hippie the hills post It will reset. Good. That's what I'm going to do now Let's talk about staying focused one of the one of the my main points of contention in the human experience Because this is going to be our new superpower The idea focus is going to be the one thing that allows us to enrich our lives which in turn Makes our life better which in turn makes the lives of those people around us better And this is the idea of being The the sun in your universe in which all the other Planets revolve Why because of its strong magnetic pool? Why does the sun have a strong magnetic pool? Well, it's certainly a lot of laws of Relativity and space and gravity and how all that works But also look at the sun provides All those planets and certainly the one that keeps Hours in a place where it is inhabitable by what we consider intelligent beings If we don't blow ourselves up in the process now You as a person Should see yourself as somewhat of the sun this center and We can do this in two ways whereas You can think of yourself as the center of the universe and be A completely selfish self-absorbed person where you Where you envision the world Where it is all swirling around you And you are the center of that universe It is easy to have that perspective Why? It is easy to have that perspective because the only way a human being has to observe the world Without outside tools Such as math and telescopes and microscopes and the rest of these things Outside of that is only from our observable Behaviors Our observable Views of everything that puts us in the center of everything Because the only way that we have the view the world around us Is from our own senses So it's an easy issue. It is an easy problem To to consider yourself the center of the universe. In fact It is a first default and as you become a An individual as you become self-aware As you become of age into a Thinking-sentiment being that has agency. What is that usually? Early preteens 10 11 you start to figure it out. You start to See things from that point of view as you get older in the teenage years It becomes an overwhelming sensation to where you are so self-absorbed You end up tending to be high on the narcissist's scale Because the only way that you have to make sense of the world Is through your own senses It's not until you get old enough to start using other tools and other methods and gain experience and knowledge That you are not the center of the universe But here's the issue and problem that we're running into That we are now carrying these devices in all of our pockets That sort of perpetuate that idea That we're the center of the universe when you're getting all this information Set directly To you it becomes an extension of you But once again, we get into this argument that it's a tool like anything else and it's how you use it But what do you think a narcissistic teenager is going to use their phone for? Do you actually think they're going to use it Responsibly as a way To discover the the rest of the world and use it this tool objectively Or do you think They are going to use it to feed their natural narcissistic tendencies of being a A young person and tally says porn and video games That's exactly right. What do you think porn and video games are?  They feed into your narcissism. I mean that's As I mentioned last week. Yeah, it's a tool. Yeah, okay Our phones are a tool our phones are if if if a hammer is a tool Then it's a jackhammer try putting it up hanging up a Picture in your home with a jackhammer. See how that works Yeah, I'm raging today So now we have a We have a generation Of young people who tend to be on the narcissism Scism spectrum Due to their life experience. It's natural Then to perpetuate and amplify those feelings through The jackhammer of Information tools that we have Now Charlie says I do not think this that this behavior is natural or healthy Well, the point I'm making about it. Charlie is that as when you are younger as a teenager On the narcissism spectrum You you tend to be a bit more narcissistic Due to your inexperience in the world and using the tools to objectively look at it I wouldn't say that you are Know that that young people who are healthy are narcissistic to a harmful degree They just tend to be a bit narcissistic as they don't have any They don't have much row row road experience So It is very important That we Line up goals principles and ideals that allow us to stay focused on a daily level of our Goals and aspirations So that we don't get distracted by the ample amount of booty pics That are on our instagram explore page Tell us that you have to learn your transition from service of self to service to others Yes 100 But I will put a spin to that tally In the service of self and this is the whole and rand idea of objectivism where You do the things you need to do for yourself because all Tides rise all ships so to speak So if you are working to make yourself better you will inevitably make the world around you better now That is not a final and I don't believe That to its fullest extent it's sort of like anything that there is nuance in the idea. However As somebody who's spent the last 15 years 17 years working in self development The better you are The better your world is and the better it is for those around you Which puts us back to the idea of I want you and I want for myself To be somewhat of the sun in our own solar system where We make those around us better we We We omit Is that the word I want at war or exhibit? The things that others need in order to feel Great Right when we give and this goes back to tally's idea of being service to others Where you are adding value to the world around you on a daily basis To healing mind says sun thumbs up to the world. Yes We want to be the sun to our world. We want to be the sun to our world around us now. There's all sorts of Crazy metaphors that we could play where you don't want to get too close to the sun. You might get burnt That's not what I'm referring to.  We are going to be the sun of our universes And in order to do that We're going to need to be able to concentrate. We're going to need to be able to focus on the task at hand Because why?  It seems that everyone is losing their minds. It seems that we're in What could be a a mass psychosis? Well, let's wake people up to great ideas of Looking to build themselves up so that they are able to build up the world around themselves It's general mccrystal has that old saying of to clean your room, right? They'll be Messing in other people's lives until you have yours on track first and then start working out from there You know lots of people have have stated this that is an old rule in the bible It's old jordan peterson's been saying that general mccrystal has been saying it I believe that general mccraven has been saying it as well So when you take care of yourself You start to a to admit these ideas and these actions That others then will adopt we will cause the ripple effect and we Are going to make the world a better place from our place in the world. I want to thank everyone for coming out today And guys, I missed you all yesterday. I had a meeting, but I'll be here tomorrow at 8 30 a.m PST if you enjoyed what I had to talk about today and you want to learn more Check out the art of charm communication Accelerator it is all our best parts from our online classes live training programs expert guests over the last 15 years in the world of influence persuasion Networking and self development you can find the art of charm communication accelerator In the link tree in the bio of instagram and twitter and in the description of youtube. Let's go through our comments Charlie you have a great day too San free alo alo is that german h alo tally says right on yes hearts for us and and Animal we want to thank my general gen for helping us out today Sarah avid joined good to see you It will reset. Yes. I will try that tally. Thank you for looking that up for me My explorer page That's hilarious. Uh, the rock star CEO had joined. Hello. How are you doing nick gallagher? How are you doing today? All right guys Just thank you for telling me that Yeah, this is the thing when all you do is get into the sex pics it just For some of us it just gets to the point of too much when you're young you're you could stare at booty pics all day In fact, it's probably good for you as you get older.  No, right? Imagine all the time that you spend on on booty pics That you could give that attention to Your life and all those aspects of the of life that you could have Some trouble. I just got a message from That says somebody wants to fight me. Oh That's That's That is the world in a nutshell. I'm I'm already getting hate messages. All right guys. I gotta run. I have other things to do And uh This is awesome. All right guys, I will talk to you guys later. See you all tomorrow 8 30 Brasley says Charlie says they're Germans. All right guys. You all take care


Good afternoon. Thanks a lot, Arpit, for the introduction. Thanks a lot, Linus, for having me here. I think it's awesome that I can be in front of this very clever audience trying to talk about standards. Now you can say, who hasn't heard about Etsy? Now you can say, I'm not to him, to me. In fact, it's amazing because I could basically sit down. All that Arpit has been saying about all that open source has been succeeding throughout the years. You change the word open source to insert the name of standards. And there you go, my speech is over. I think many of the things Arpit was saying apply very well to what we are doing. Hence that I think it's very good that we're getting to a very good understanding between Arpit, his organization, our organization, several other colleagues, as Arpit was saying, to keep on pushing it and to keep on bringing value. So I'm trying to give you a little bit of background about this open source and standards, this kind of battling that has been going on in the press. And actually, if you see presentations, you will see that we share many things. We love acronyms. So you have seen acronyms all over the place. Sometimes we even use the same acronyms, which is not bad. So NFB, MEc, well, we love networking. And in fact, things work with us because we collaborate. Collaboration is key, it's fundamental for open source. It's fundamental for standards. Standards don't exist without collaboration. And hence, I understand when people looked at us and said, oh, these guys, battling again, it's one or the other, clashing because they love acronyms. They love networking. They try to make business out of it, of collaboration. So one of the two are one too many in this village. So well, in fact, we share so many things that it's not competing but cooperating that we are after. And let me see some of the thoughts that crossed my mind, why I believe this is the case. And the first thought that's in my mind is, well, guys, it's an impossible battle because I think we are kind of trying to achieve the same, which is cooperating to try and develop something that's good for the industry, avoiding fragmentation. But we do it in a cooperative manner, in the sense that when you get to the standard, it's something which is kind of bolted down and well fundamental. When it comes to developing to the real projects that come out with a product, then how you do it probably open source is the way. There are many other ways. And we need those two to be clinging together. And it's important because not for us. Several times people tell me, well, what do you think? Well, don't ask me. I'm just facilitating what industry, what people who are really doing the job have to do. So to me, there is no single question of, well, do you do that standards or open source? Guys, that's not a question. That's not really the question. There are several questions inserted there or embedded there. The first one is, do we need standards? We may not need standards. There are specific reasons why we would go to do something standardized. And not always we need to go standardized. And the second one is, how do we want to implement a solution? And by the way, it's not first one, then the other. You could very well start working on something without thinking of standards. And at some point in time, saying, who? By the way, the best manner of spreading this around and enabling that there are several ways of implementing a solution is by standardizing the basics and allowing the world to develop in different fashions. Why not? So it's not one first, the other second. It's not one or the other. It's deciding what's it that we need. Having said which, what do standards provide? Why standards? Why would you say, let's go for standards? Sometimes you need to establish a threshold and you need to fix the threshold. And that's why you would say, well, let's go. Let's have this standardized. Particularly when it comes to responding to queries or requirements from regulation. So you need something to refer to that's kind of cast on stone. Then you need standards. Or, of course, you need interoperability. You need different implementations being able to work with one another. And that's what we try to do. When you go to the process in standards, you will see that it goes from requirements, then you go to architecture protocols. And in implementation, we try to validate. We try to implement and validate that the different pilots comply with the standard, but then are able to interoperate with other implementations. You don't need to see what's inside the box. You just need to see that this box is interchangeable with this other box regardless of what's inside. You need to verify these interfaces. That's what standards look at. So basically, we are developing all this interoperability. That's why you would go and point at standards. But we are not blind to the world. We don't say, well, we've been doing that for a billion years, 20 at least, that I can think of, or even 30. And we have so many great success stories to tell, where we started and then probably all of you carry one or several mobile phones that actually are in your pockets because of standards who remembers the 80s and what mobile telephony was in the 80s, because there was mobile telephony in the 80s, but unaffordable. And today, what we have is amazing. Nobody could ever think of it 15 years ago, all enabled because people got together and made it happen. So why should we bother? Well, we do bother because we see the things developing in many different manners. So we are ready to learn. We are ready to cooperate. Because indeed, implementation cycles, we need to be faster. We understand that the process works. It's extremely important that we have solid governance models, because otherwise it's very difficult to bring all the community and bring their ideas and their knowledge and share it with their competitors. And from there, keep on building on the research and innovation. So how do we do that? And how we enable that all these people can come and work together and get to agreements earlier? Because let's not forget that part of the long cycle or the long phases in our standards project comes from trying to get consensus, which is basic. So once we have that, the point is, well, how do we do better so that our whole process kind of improves? So first of all, go and learn. How are other communities doing? And of course, the first thing we saw is, well, how is the software community? How is the open source community doing? How can we get more out of that? What are the tools they use? What are the methodologies they use? What are the processes they use? How they come to agreements? How they work with each other?  So what it is that these work, what it is that things cannot be softened, have to still be tied. And of course, that's something we couldn't do just by reading books. That's not just something we could do just back in our offices without doing anything, just by taking notes. And that's how all of a sudden, because it was not started by us, all of a sudden we had a project in our hands which was a true open source project. We had all the theory on one side. We had all our people having learned how to do things. And all of a sudden, our members, because something I want to remind everybody that it's not me, it's not our organization that decides what we do. It's Etsy members who decide what they want to do. So they came and said, well, you know, we are working a lot on the standards in NFV. And we have a real need of developing really the manual layer. How do we do that? This component we need to develop, we haven't found how to do it. Will you help us? So, of course, what do you answer your members when they ask something? Sure, let's go for it. And that's how this adventure of Open Source Man started with a few members bringing together the knowledge with us, putting and facilitating their work, bringing the tools that we have learned how to use, bringing the governance model that we have adapted a little bit to our own needs, and learning as we run. And this is quite successful from our point of view. It's a very focused project, but has helped us to learn a lot and to keep on bringing new ideas, new opportunities within Etsy that help us being better in the standards process. And at the end of the day, we have been able to start several other initiatives. Of course, IMS is quite old, and we have seen how different communities have brought and taken IMS and developed Open Source implementations. We started a tool inside of Etsy on this test language description Open Source project, whereby we are basically developing a tool using Open Source methodologies. Middlebox Security is a demonstrator that we have done also inside of one of our technical committees. And there are several implementations of the 1M2M, 1M2M is our cabin service layer for Internet of Things. And we have several, again, implementations based on Open Source of responding to the needs of this architecture. So we keep on trying to work and push and facilitate all this development of specific projects that at the end of the day have to see the light in the commercial area. And in the midst of all, something that I'm very happy about and I usually bring forward with great proud is the cooperation agreement or the agreement that we have with the Linus Foundation. Because Arpit was talking about it, I will insist, I think it's very, very welcome from the communities. He said it, I will repeat, we don't want the solutions to fragment. We want that all of you can focus and do your business and can interoperate. And that's why we try to bring all people together. We try to bring all people to cooperate. There are concrete activities looking at this and we will keep on fostering and we'll keep on promoting cooperation amongst both communities. Because that's beneficial for the business and that's our role helping this business. So I'm not gonna go too long with that because I think the message is clear that we need to work together. Being together is the only way in which we will help our communities bloom. We will help our communities keep on going forward and doing their business. We standards open source are serving different purposes, but coming together to the same end, we benefit from each other, how we work, how we establish things. It's a very nice symbiosis, if I may say. We need to foster that, we need to help our people to do that. Cooperation is of the essence, but that's obvious, it's been inside the open source communities, it's been inside Alliance Foundation, it's been inside Etsy since the beginning. No cooperation, no standards, straightforward. Actually no cooperation, Etsy wouldn't exist. That's what brings Etsy together. And at the end of the day, and I will repeat Arpit's words, we are not here for the sake of being here, we are not here as standards buddy for the sake of filling in shelves with lots of nice books that doesn't help. Our success is measured in terms of how many standards are being implemented and being profitable in the marketplace. How many? How much of that production is bringing back a return? We won't be right on every single thing we start. It doesn't matter. As long as we are enough successful in what we bring forward. And again, I think this mutual cooperation, this way of bringing things together will help us be even more successful at the most least uncontained cost, which is what I guess our members are looking for. Having said which, let me again thank you all for having a standards guide, talking about standards and a little bit of open source. And of course I look very much forward to this continuous cooperation and happy to answer any questions that might come either now or later on during coffee break. So thank you very much again and see you later I hope.


Hi, I'm Stu Miniman and this is a special On the Ground here at the VTUG Summer Slam 2019, the 16th and final year of the event. We've got people coming in from all over the environment and so many changes. Really, really change is one of the central themes and joining me on the program is Matt Broberg who, when I first met, had a very different job, had a different name, but was one of the keynote speakers this morning. Matt, thank you so much for joining us and I love you. Representing the Cube shirt. Yeah, thank you. I had to wear my limited edition Cube shirt. I've got to represent for everybody. Yeah, I've moved on in a slightly different direction from the V community, but what I love about the virtualization community is it's really about the relationships that we have. So being here is just reconnecting with people I really care about and making sure that they have paths forward with their career as well. Not that virtualization is disappearing overnight, but there's a lot of interesting ways to grow these days and I like to advocate for that. Well, yeah, one of the things that I loved when this changed from being the V-Mug, the New England V-Mug to the V-Tug, it actually was helping along that transition of it's more than just virtualization. What's going on in cloud computing obviously is having a huge impact and what's happening in careers and developers and that was some of the conversation that you had this morning and if people can't read on the lower third, you're currently with Red Hat. You're a technical advocate as well as an editor with opensource.com. That's correct. Of course, Red Hat, we now call that IBM, is that right? Yes, well, I mean IBM is the overall. Red Hat is the independent part of the organization and I work for opensource.com. It's a special small group that we get to focus just on telling open source stories inside the ecosystem of open source. So everything from lawyers talking about licenses to people learning Python to system administrators telling about their Linux expertise. And it's all very interesting and very exciting because so many of the people here are fantastic sysadmins that yes they know virtualization, yes they know the proprietary side of it, but the open source side is just as much part of their day and I want to give them a way of sharing that. Yeah, so careers of course is something that you know well. I was not only a long time listener but happened the pleasure to be on the Geekwisters podcast once and you yourself have gone through a number of career changes. When I first met you, very technical, working in some of the products there, you did some very community focused events but kept your technical bent and you're back working a lot with this technical community. You know these Geekwisters at the show there and they're your people. 100% my people. Yeah, I found it early on I was given the advice that if you ever go anywhere outside of an engineering organization you're going to lose your edge. And what I found in practice is that there's actually a wide breadth of technology and wide breadth of jobs necessary to support the technology out there these days. So when you pick your head up, when you look into organizations you might not normally think you could work in like marketing or in sales, you can find some of the most technical people in a company. They're attracted to jobs where they can communicate in the way they like to communicate and they have the day-to-day life that matters to them. I found that I love telling stories. I love supporting people trying to tell stories. That makes me gravitate to a very different part of the organization than engineering where I started. And I still get to learn quite a bit. I'm actually coding more than I did when I was an engineer, technically. And I look forward to doing that more. Yeah, well it really is being able to connect between communities. How do we get, you know, share those stories and make sure we can speak the language of our audience? You know, so often it's, you know, if I'm in the IT organization I don't necessarily understand the business. We were just talking to Josh Outwell is if you don't understand the key objectives of the business how do you know that you're supporting it? How do you make sure you are valuable to the organization? Right. And I think some similar themes were in your keynote. 100% true. Yeah, and there's a lot of nuance to it because the waves of cloud and DevOps and coding, infrastructure as code have all kind of shaken the foundation of CIS administration in a way that it's just, it seems to be telling a story of you're not good enough in what you're doing. And I really don't like that narrative. I think we can reframe it in a very positive way that we decided to all work in technology because it is inclusive of change and because we need to continue to evolve. If we wanted to be certain about what we're doing every day you need to study something like geology so that rocks kind of keep the same or be a chiropractor and you crack the back the same way every time. In technology you're constantly evolving, you're constantly looking at the next step and I love Josh's work in new ops. I love seeing people adopt DevOps ideas and open source is such a gateway into all of that work. So open source as the core of it once you realize you don't have to file a ticket when something breaks and you can go fix it or you can talk to a developer that's fixing it you feel a brand new form of community that you just don't feel in this part of the industry and I've just become obsessed with it. I want other people to know that there's an option there that it's really exciting. Yeah, it's interesting. I remember the first time I went to a Red Hat show. I've worked with Linux for many years. I've worked with Red Hat for a long time but it was definitely a different feel at a Red Hat summit than it was going to a virtualization user group or VM world. Yes, that inclusiveness and they want to help but in open source a lot of times it's like right how are you contributing? It doesn't mean you necessarily have to be fixing bugs and filing code, maybe you're helping in the documentation but it is that that contribution is so central to what happens open source. I know you've got some thoughts on that. 100%, yeah the contribution is such a huge element and the shirt that you made the shirt is for GopherCon effectively. It's with Gophers from the Go programming language community and what's cool about Go and I've recently went to PyCon for the Python developer community and at each of those events what I love is that every one of the booths, every one of the people speaking they have a project that you can participate in and what's great about that is I think the fear of it being like oh I have to learn to code to participate here quickly goes away when you look and they're looking for users. They're looking for subject matter experts on IT infrastructure to use the software, test it at scale, make sure it's supported, make sure it's secure in all the ways that CIS admins are the subject matter experts on so it's not that CIS administration is going away it's that it's evolving in a way that is more inclusive of other technologies and honestly more freeing once you get into it. All right so Matt you currently live in Minnesota. I do. But you lived here in the Northeast for a while, you've been to many environments. Give us a little bit of what the VTUG community and the people at this event have meant to you personally. I can't quite sum up how important it's been. I started volunteering as part of the VTUG community from a social media angle which showed me that actually marketing can be interesting because it helps other people connect and then I spoke here on multiple times early on in my career. It gave me the confidence, it gave me the community that helped support me and I think we all can do a good job of remembering why we're here and remembering how to bring that forward in our local communities. Well Matt, always a pleasure to catch up with you. Thank you for the keynote this morning and I look forward to seeing your continued work at other events. Yeah, thanks Sue. All right, I'm Stu Miniman and I'll be back with more coverage here. As always, thanks for watching theCUBE.