So I'd now like to call the March 13th 2023 Parks and Recreation Advisory Board being ordered. Can we please start with the roll call? Erin Angle. Here. Scott Conlon. Here. Thomas David. Here. Paige Lewis. Sam Libby. Here. Nicholas Mone. Here. Dan Olson. Here. Council Liaison Tim Water. Here. Great. We have forum. So let's move on to the approval of the agenda from the packet. Does anyone have any questions or request changes to the agenda? If not, can I get a motion to approve the agenda? I'm going to approve the agenda. That's great. Moving on to the approval of the previous month's minutes. So does anyone have any questions or request changes to the previous month's minutes? No. Yeah, I have. I'll find it quick. Actually, I'm not going to be able to find it. I'm sorry. It was at the end of that. I'm sorry. I never mind. You sure? Yeah. I'm sorry. I don't want to take time. Was it like a grammatical error? No. There was a short phrase that didn't really explain anything. And I was confused. And now I can't find it. So it was in the shoveling. Thank you. Well, yeah. And then toward the end, there was some plastic shovels and snow blowers with plastic blades. Period. Is that okay? Is that not okay? I don't remember what we discussed. So it came from working close to the pickleball community. And they have asked if they could kind of help regulate their members to use plastic shovels and snow blowers with broken blades actually. Okay. So you took it forget. Chamber of Head Group has said, yes, that's all right. There's kind of a history that we have told tennis otherwise. But we think we're going to be consistent in that as long as we have people trying to provide information to their community that we want people to enjoy beautiful Colorado sign days and to use plastic shovels or rubber snow blowers. So it's okay if I tell the LTA folks that? Yes. Okay. Jeff, thank you guys. Thank you guys as well. You would ask the question. I did. And then the answer didn't say one way or the other. And it just confused me and, you know, thank you. So do we need to amend the minutes to update that? If you would, that would be nice. Because this may, I'm guessing the fellow at LTA will, are you sure? And I want to be able to say, well, we had this good discussion. And David Bell says plastic was okay. So if just, if you could at the end there, just say is okay. Or was it, you know, should be okay. Should be okay. Thanks. Whatever. Thank you. So then can I get a motion to approve the minutes as amended? Yeah, I'll move to approve the minutes as amended. Okay. All right. Fantastic. There we go. All right. We went right along. So we do have the public event at the herty-herd section. And I believe we do have someone for tonight. Great. So, hi, David. So remember, you have three minutes to address the board. And please take your name and address for the. Okay. My name is Andrew Reed. I live at 1366 Cedarwood Drive. I live in Longmont for, I guess, going on 10 years now. I'm a high school teacher in the, in the district as well. I reached out to some community members. Probably for the past couple of years. And I know there was a lot of interest among kids and other people in the community about creating some kind of bike park in the city. And I kind of got some push or I kind of got some feedback, I guess from other people that have attended meetings like this, where they said kind of the, the issue is the amount of FTE that it would take maybe to maintain something like that. And I know people kind of look at places like Valmont bike park is at the place, but to me, Valmont bike park is, is a regional attraction. It's not really something that Longmont really has to strive for because there's not a whole lot of places in the country to have a bike park that great. And so like people in the community kind of said, well, you know, that's kind of the pushback to see is given is like, well, it would take, you know, it would take some F, a lot of FTE to kind of maintain it. So I'd like to maybe propose an idea to explore a solution here. Because I know there's some funding that's coming up or the city's trying to get some funding or something for developments in the parks and stuff coming up. So I would like to propose that the city explore the idea of what's called a pump track for the city. And so I don't know if you may be aware or not, but most of the surrounding, our surrounding communities are in, have developed them or have started to develop them. The latest one is Firestone. They're actually developing a bike park that has a pump track in it. Burt that has recently created their plans as well. I'm just going to print these off for you. You can kind of pass those around. That kind of shows you what this community, what they look like and what they've been designed. One month obviously has one. Erie created one within the last year or two. So places, even places like Smallville, places like Berthold have started to develop them. An asphalt or concrete pump track like you see here to me seems to be a good solution. Because the benefit of it is that they're low maintenance. So they're not like dirt jumps where you have to have people going in and constantly maintain the dirt and keep them built up and keep them clean and everything like that. They last longer. These kind of pump tracks last longer. And they're more inclusive. So it's not dirt for just bikes. It's for skateboards. It's for scooters. Basically anything on wheels. They say they're even designed for people in wheelchairs that can benefit from them as well. So I think something like exploring an idea like this, I think for those people, and I know there were some kids in the past that kind of created their own little dirt jumps in a place that was maybe not allowed. And there was kind of some people wanting to see the city do something about that. To me, this would be a good solution to kind of create the exploring idea like this. And like I said, there's lots of other communities around that have already developed them or already are in the plans of developing. So you could look to any of the surrounding communities to kind of see what they're doing. Great. Thank you so much for bringing this to talk. This is news to me. I've never heard of this myself. But certainly worth talking more about than the COMPOM project part of the agenda, I think, unless there's any initial reactions. No. I'll just real quick. I'm the developer of the Department of Resources. I'll just give you a quick little glimpse since you showed up and took the time. Right now, staff, you talked about the ability to maintain. Right now, we're also in a phase of having staff to build and develop parts. So council and city managers have made that a priority. So we actually know in the process of being some new help to help us push projects through. So we'll see in our presentation this evening that we are pretty much lined out for the next five years and have projects we have going. The positive is that some of those projects, and Steve's can kick me in the table here, those projects have the potential to have some community involvement on what some of those elements may be. So the big picture is five to seven years out of our CFP is probably pretty well laid out as far as projects we can take on. But we're a little wind of hope in there is that we definitely have some opportunities, these parts coming up that we could probably reach out. And we will be reach out to the community for some and have potential for some others. Steve, do you want to? Yeah, I would just add that I've heard over the decades about skills like Cycle Cross. Everyone has their own favorite way to ride a bicycle. And we did build a bike skills area at Dickens Farm Nature Area that some people hate. I've got a lot of people like it too with their kids.  So it does have a function. It can be different, maybe sometime in the future. But right now we've invested in that. There's also a council accepted a master plan for Clover Meadows neighborhood park in southwest Lawnmont that will include a small version of a pump track. We're going to use a company out of Missouri that does the prefab. And so the asphalt is going to be smaller. That's more cost effective. I am interested in doing an asphalt pump track at some point in the future. I think there's a lot of potential for that type of thing. In the next five years you'll see community processes reaching out to the public for ideas for parks for Fox Meadows neighborhood park, which is about Ninth and County line in the eastern side of town. And there's a possibility that something we have a doctor adopted master plan to drive Creek Community Park and depending on how things shake out with some of the things that council has asked staff to pursue is recreation centers and library annexes and things like that. We might be completing that park in the next five years. And if that's the case, it's a 15 year old master plan. I would want to ask the council or at least leadership if we want to go back out to the public to see if some of the trends have changed in the past 15 years and we might need to amend that. So those are a couple of opportunities coming in the next five years that we might be able to include something like that. Okay. I was looking. The one in Southwest Lawnmine is fully funded and is at 40% design and will start construction God willing by the end of this year. Okay. With a small amount. With a small amount. I was looking at our previous meetings and they said something about different doing different things. I don't know the word a la carte was used. And I saw a list of possible things that they could use it for and skate park was one of them. You know that but I don't know the details behind I just kind of read like some of these minutes from previous but there were people that had a conversation about all these different things that maybe the city could do. So that's kind of looking. That's great. Thank you. Come here and see if we can explore that idea. Do you have students that are going to explore it too? Yes. I mean over the years there's been lots of students that have talked about the desire for a bike park. You know and I'm just and I try to tell them I was like well you know nobody's really going to build something like Balmain because like I said that's a regional thing. But there's people that talked about it. And Balmain just has a long history of a lot of bike. You know we have a company here a long month that makes bikes. And we have lots of pro bike riders that you may not know that come out of Balmain. So yeah there's a lot of interest in it. And something like this would be a good solution that would also include other types of wheels. You know just instead of the wheelchairs. The feedback I get is kind of what you acknowledged that the stuff that we have now is very beginner level. That's kind of all that it is. And I don't know what kind of the new development is going to be over there. But we have a huge range of people that ride. The problem is it's not like a tennis court where beginners and experts use the same night space. And that's the challenge is trying to figure out who we're catering to. And I encourage you to kind of look up that website because the way they design it is you see kids on Strider bikes on these kind of features. What I'm kind of proposing is for the idea. So all different levels. So yeah I would just... I guess my question is what would we need to do to instead of it just being me what do we need to do to make it the community to give the community more of a voice that maybe they're interested in this too. I'm not quite sure if there's a process for that. I would just continue engaging in the public processes coming to advisory board meetings, coming to talk to the council. Those are methods that at least we use to try to influence how our work plan... I'll get to it here. We have 30 or 40 projects that we're trying to juggle with a very small number of people. And so kind of prioritizes something that we often are doing on an annual basis. Right now the direction is to work on these eight projects over the next five years and we've identified and there are possible opportunities for some bike park in one or two of those but we'll just have to see. Beyond that we can't just sort of drop what we're doing and say we're going to go right back to what council's right for this group. I also have one more question that's unrelated but since I live out on their bi-union I tried to go back and look at the conversation but I haven't seen it. Is there any kind of progress for that path linking union to sandstone? We're at design about 90%. We hope to go to construction by late summer. Late summer? Yeah. About a year long project. The last time I looked it up it said construction 2022. Yeah, there's some of this throughout there too so people at the table. It's so hard to have to say this over and over but 2013 flood that trail was going to go under 119. The state has changed all the floodplates so stuff that was out there that was the most logical spring to go now has to be all we designed with new so it turned into a new project after that. Thank you so much for sharing. If you do stick around we're going to be going through those CFP projects as a excuse. I would like to stick around. It is my wife's birthday. That was what? I have some cake for her. That's why I didn't take a piece because I got her cake that I have to eat so I appreciate that. Thank you. Okay, thank you. Thank you very much. We're just finished. How long have you been working? It's about a year. Oh, yeah. Oh, fantastic. How long has it been for you? My name is Brett Sloan. I live at 2307 Tyrenean Drive here in Longmont. I represent the pickleball community and been working for quite some time with David and Jeff trying to support our club here in town and they've done some heroic things to help us get started to increase the number of available courts. As you guys may know there are six permanent courts at Whole Breakers Park. That park was converted from tennis to pickleball. I don't know, maybe six or seven years ago. And the pickleball community helped by granting almost $10,000 to the city to help them pay for that. We have an opportunity maybe to do a similar thing at Clark Centennial Park. There are two tennis courts there that could be converted to six pickleball courts in the same way that Boulder was converted some time ago. The opportunity is really one to save a little money. As part of an ongoing routine maintenance thing Collier, which is just tennis is due to be renovated or renewed and this is just a, I guess it's on a 10-year cycle or something and it's up. So the vendor at some point this summer and David you might be able to, I don't know what the schedule is but they're going to come here and redo the surface. And what I would propose is that with a little help from us that we convert Clark Centennial the two tennis courts there at the same time give this vendor a two-fer. You know a little volume discount that they would convert in the same way they did over acres many years ago we do that at Clark Centennial. And we're trying to do our part to help. The problem right now is David does not have a budget large enough right now to do this. So we, the community here in town we're fundraising and we told David that we'll contribute 20,000 to this effort to get this done.  I'm not sure 20 is going to be enough ultimately to do this. So I come here to you guys who are have the ability to influence the budget that you fully fund David given a little extra money. We're going to need it to really pull this off. We're not going to stop at 20. We're going to go and get as much as we can. We have a whole bunch of things lined up. We have some of the pros are coming to Longmont. We're going to do some clinics. Dave the Badger Weinbach 10-time US Open National Champion and Pickleball is coming May 8th to do a clinic or April 8th, excuse me. We've got Scott Moore coming May 22nd. We're going to do another clinic to try to just cobble together money so that we can get these courts converted. I had somebody suggest to me that the way to think about this is this is a relatively low cost with a very high benefit to the Pickleball community that we could really step up. That would make that park, Clark Centennial six permanent courts and we've got some temporary courts lined out there on the pieces of concrete that are out there. There was a skate park that wasn't used at all and we've now converted it. We put down Gorilla Tape lines and put down now we've got temporary nets put out there. There's a roller hockey rink that's pretty close to it. We put down again with Gorilla Tape we put down four more courts and six permanent with those eight temporary we could do a lot of really neat things in town with that. I just ask be as supportive as you can and we're doing our part to really push this along will you join this? I guess that's my pitch. I do not say David and his guys have been super. They've I guess they're scraping what was the term budget does. And that term's never going away. No. Just so you do you mind if I just kick? No please. The board has a little bit of our sanding. We have been working with this group and they have shown community to try to help leverage funds. So we really are pulling projects and contract dollars and fertilizer dollars. We're working to make this happen.  Steve is also including an extra court over where it is. Two extra courts over at you know Gallo and then in the kind of projects we're pushing through with it with council's direction and Harold's direction really as soon as an additional court is out to count the intense courts at Coyle. So a longer term. One thing I would remember is be careful using the term permanent. Clark Park is up for a full park renewal sometime in 2027 or 28 and like the roller hockey court will likely be scraped with that project sort of thing because it doesn't get used. The trend has gone away. It was from the 90s. We do look at the entire park. We're going to we've got it busy right now. Not that we would displace the ball with Michael who looked differently so just thinking permanency we do update our parks on a typical basis. We just got to on the roller hockey rink right? We'll make it better if anything put that out. What are these surfacing parts for? I'm going from memory. I think Timber said it was like 10,000 tennis court. I think it's more than that. He's got numbers back. We had to roll our budgets. It is. Yes. We actually found two now and just a prior date for a pickball community and this is it. We got one group that is willing to come into a full resurface of the tennis courts areas on the roller hockey rink and the roller hockey because we are not going to turn those into strictly pickball because we do know that people still use skate parks not skate parks but roller hockey. Those would be paint of lines with temporary nets. One company wouldn't do the partial and the other one said it was just too high for the Portland Virgin so we'll have I think a sports court to the Rockies and Reinhardt coming in to do those partitions. All right. I'll take it again. Thank you. You're nice. Fantastic. Ethan, 930, Bruttenrock. Do you remember the climate action recommendations report? That was approved in 2020. Your board critiqued that report for lacking consideration of nature-based solutions such as tree planting and last year alone not only planted 226 trees which is below the average urban tree replacement rate. So I wanted to ask you all to evaluate the feasibility of planting more trees in Longmont. If there is indeed a climate emergency then sorry to understand why this is not planting more trees and not prioritizing that. So I published a letter in the Longmont leader last week and it sort of outlines a very broad overview of vision for planting more trees so I figured if you all would evaluate the feasibility of that whether it's possible to plant more trees in Longmont, I have a letter if you want to pass it on. Thank you. Be helpful. And the link there, it is correct the way it's spelled there with only one T which is a typo but that's the way that it is. Appreciate that. So I think we'll have time to discuss this during the items from the board for sure. There's a section later on in the agenda where we can definitely dig into this more. Try this, Tony. If you can. Do you have any other comments? I think if we're going to talk about it now that way he doesn't have to stay for the pool. That would be great. Do you have any...  You know, I have seen this in the past I've been working with our forestry our city forests are on these issues too. Our long line is a tree city and we definitely have been since our foundation as a community in our parks planting trees that public space really is getting tight for us to manage more plantings and it really comes into how do we work more with the community we're working with at least non-blocking that group to look at where some potential areas are that potential heat islands where they don't have the same canopy and a lot of those are areas where we don't have the influence of the public land that the area is. So we are looking at other ways that we may be able to try to work with those communities but right now the tree camp we have within our park system really is on a maintenance program more than a planting program within the parks and open spaces that we have. So it really is trying to figure out how we would have more influence over those private spaces. And I would add that we are not the one who is on public property. Every developer that comes in has to plant trees along the roads public roads that they in addition to the trees they put on the private property and the parking lots and around the homes and things like that so there is additions to the city's overall tree camp can be on a regular basis outside of what we plant. I don't have a number for you though that would be impossible. Thank you all. Planting next to ash trees I think is going to be a reduced profit. So we actually have a replacement so that is one of the pieces that we have right now is we have a a general ash borer budget that we have out there so that as we are removing trees we are replacing trees and we are doing that replacement in cycles so we go through and just cut down all of those susceptible ash so we could plant appropriate trees it is just getting harder with the other piece too that it is a real challenge is planting trees that are appropriate today for a climate future that we are trying to predict Ken Wicklund, a former city forest officer, always said it was hard to be in a tree in Colorado and it is harder every year as we try to do this but we have a forestry group that is absolutely committed to maintaining our forest canopy as it is, replacing those trees that go away and working with those sustainability groups to see if there are opportunities you will see you mention those areas of the developers plant once they plant they really aren't ours we don't maintain those areas and stuff so again it is how does the city get more engaged in trying to work that north Longmont area one of the areas that I think was heat maps that definitely has opportunities do you know how many trees are in Longmont and what the replacing rate is? so I know how many city trees are that we manage and maintain I don't have the number here, Brett definitely has those we have and if we manage this it really helps working on how many trees we are removing because of the ash and also how many we are replacing we also have a program that a developer comes in that we have a tree mitigation fund so if they develop a property remove trees that are of quality then we have them put those knowledge in there so we can then plant trees as well but I actually when I saw I think it may have been your letter about a week ago I did ask Brett to draft a response to this so hopefully have some here and we'll have your information so I can the city website says the City of Longmont Forestry Services cares for over 21,000 public land trees if you go to the website it talks about their maintenance standards and things like that so I think it's more information there it's also an issue of tree equity which I covered in the letter which is the issue that some neighborhoods don't have any trees right now and it's not about the trees so everyone can consider placement trees and again I appreciate it too that's what it shows up so that mapping at least is doing the problems it just becomes how do we work with those communities we don't have those public spaces there one of the things we do have is the arbitrary tree sale where we give trees that just kind of cost our community hoping that people can put them into their community we're doing work with individuals that may not have the resources to pick up so we're delivering trees that even help with planting in some of those areas today the lottery was ran today what about tree replenish that's free trees that's free trees that's free not $200 trees it's free trees I mean Centaurus High School planted 500 trees last year in my high school so I know who bought the trees everybody at the bottom they were they were they were like 5 to $15 for nice trees and then kids from Fairview, Centaurus they just went out and planted them they did really so it's more equity than a $200 tree there's also a piece in there that is our forestry group there's some feel good pieces with that there's the irrigation that he maintained and for us that's going to be your irrigation trees don't grow in Colorado unless you've got a beet wet in a ditch or a creek so it takes that so the survival rate of those trees is often very, very low so it really is trying to again the right tree in the right place with the right irrigation system I know you understand this it's a little more complicated so that's the thing that we're working on those how we try to this equity piece I think for sure is what we're looking at any other comments on this topic thank you so much for coming again last time any more probably you're about to be heard we'll do a full 360 quick quick okay bring it one night bring it one night I think it's awesome it is awesome for sure okay let's move on to the old business let's look at the future recreation facility update I think Jeff you're going to give us this will be a quick one the so we sent out the survey that when we talked last time that there was going to be a scientific survey which was done but there was also a general public survey as well and those all ended on the 8th which was last week the report is scheduled to be presented to city council next Tuesday on the 21st at that meeting we believe council will give and help me us more direction on moving forward with all the projects some of the projects or none of the projects and based on that direction we have requested that assistant city managers Joni Marsh and Sammy Cedar and as well as Becky Doyle come and speak with you about what the world can be for crab as we move forward but they all felt that was premature to do that until after we've had the results of the survey and again direction from council so that's my report a lot to come after that though it's we'll know where we stand and then Ben in our next topic will kind of bring you up to speed with the feasibility study which is right into that coming work so we need again in April and how much more happened or are we still in the loop or will we be out of the loop by time council decides things oh no it's next Tuesday when council will get the survey results the results go directly to them they hopefully will give us direction that evening and then that will help staff to start working on what the results are okay and you'll be done by the time we meet again or do we get to help that was going on I'm thinking this is in April through June process thank you the main timeline we have is that council has to place items on the ballot in August and so I'm assuming we'll do that work through June have presentations in July so that council can make their final determination what goes on the ballot so this board in April and May meetings are when we have a chance to influence something maybe June-ish yeah it's going to be getting kind of late in June but it probably won't be just at this meeting we'll as a board that will be a shout any other questions I'll just say I heard from a couple of neighbors organically about the survey and I asked if I knew about it and it had taken a minute so it seems like it got out really well to residents hopefully more of it great all right let's move on to the master plan to disability setting process up here that's me so in the meantime while that's occurring we are also as you all know working well to feverishly as we get started here on the usability study towards the Recreation Center we did meet with Perkins Will specifically Chris Costello on Friday to kind of map out what the timeline they know that it's tight that we need to have this standard June 15th is our target time to have it done to be putting in place the dates that we need to hit a lot of this work is going to start in the next couple of weeks and will be April first couple of weeks of May we don't have all of that mapped out yet but we will this group will have a chance certainly to have feedback on that and I submitted a packet item here that included the scope that you've already seen in our RFP also included action items for staff that we've gone through so just to give you some examples of things we'll be working on with this the priority will be the feasibility study to have that done in June and master plan is less of a priority that that may take someone longer to complete that any else we have missed any questions will they be looking at some kind of indoor ice facility as part of the feasibility study not a question how to answer that honestly if that is something that the community wants to have included absolutely staff will not be pushing ice so even if the board explicitly expressed interest when we had discussions of having ice included in the feasibility study we would we would ask those questions we do evaluate it not going to say no but there are other things that I can't really talk about with an ice rink in Longmont that if that group moved forward with the ice rink I would say that the city of Longmont was not need to build an ice rink right but wouldn't it still make sense to assess it in feasibility I mean just as a piece of a potential no no just simply because if again that group would choose to do it there would be no reason for us to evaluate it but that's not if if they choose to do it right we don't know correct it it will be all considered until that group makes a decision which could be soon two weeks do you want to stop right there with ice I'll talk about anything else but I need to be careful on what I say I just speaking for myself and you know other board members can weigh in I feel like we were really interested in considering that as part of what was going forward so there may be other circumstances but it seems odd to not analyze it if something is not guaranteed do you want to speak to how the previous disability study played ice out and maybe some of that data might still be rolled in well the ice actually was going to be better than the 50 meter pool right but that financially was the least of the ongoing operational issues it again will look into a page but again if someone else is going to build ice it makes no sense that we build ice as well and both be unsuccessful yes go ahead so in two weeks we'll know if it's too late to be in a feasibility study question or would it if they decide now I get why you don't want to say if we said the city is thinking about building ice then that group might go oh well we don't need to do it because the city is going to do it so I get that but if they decide we just can't do it then could we put it in the feasibility study after that sounds better awesome yeah I was just going to say at least brings a note to bring this up in April this is the feasibility study so on April let's make sure we follow all of our checks and I'm not trying to be negative about ice and I am trying to be hopeful that this other group does ice which means our resources for the city can be put into other systems and we have made it clear that as far as we know you guys want input in the feasibility study we know that important to us we made that clear that it's up to public input and any other any other additional comments or questions on the master plan feasibility study process check them right along moving on to new business we're going to talk about the 2023 capital opening project slash the 2020 world process and Steve, Steve's going to take it off, but I am going to kind of set some parameters there I think with things that we've been talking about here you've been talking about the 8 and 5 project you've kind of been watching council or Harold talking there's a desire to focus on some of these projects that haven't been done in a while and council member Waters myself have probably talked to the same community over and saying yes it's funded yes we'll get to it, yes it's in line and we just haven't gotten there because there always are other things going on and that can be things like it started off with from the project manager working with the flood to COVID issues that came up but I'm going to help set those sidebars that we're staying pretty close to true to what is on that list of capital projects at least the next five years so Steve is that that's fine so if I'm talking about anything you don't know what I'm talking about just raise your hand so I can show you so work plan this is something that Harold sort of went in and updated for us the blue projects are the eight projects that have been identified to be in the eight and five so Plover Meadows neighborhood park which is the board recommended approval of the master plan a couple years ago, three years ago for that park and that's at 40% design Fox Meadows neighborhood park which is the one we've been waiting for for a long time in the east part of town and dry creek community park synthetic turf fields those that's the transition of the existing nine acre fields and dry creek community park where the turf is under problem to install synthetic turf in lights out there we put in, I think I told you last month we put in our RFP out for the first two projects did not include any acceptable bids and so I rewrote the project increasing the budget for those two projects as well as adding the dry creek fields to increase the overall budget trying to attract larger, more regional or national firms rather than just the local ones we have a meeting Thursday morning to find out about the status of when that RFP will go out but I would expect that RFP to be put out hopefully by the end of next week can't speak for our purchasing manager but she knows it's hot in our agenda and so I think that she'll be able to meet that demand so that's for the first three projects and that's something that again that's for design build that anticipates seeing Clover Meadows doesn't need any public process so we can go right to design on that and hopefully start construction later this fall Fox Meadows will have to have a public process the consulting team we hire have to do a public process for us and gain public input I'm also working with Fox Hill's Country Club because we have an agreement to take raw water out of the pond on their property and so without the Country Club last week talking with their operational folks we might do construction out there we don't need any existing or any new easements we do need to coordinate the club did you ever hand up a pot of water? so I would expect the public process to be this summer with the design going and hopefully construction starting by Christmas and then the synthetic turf fields is going to take a little bit more time because we have to do some extensive flood plan analyses and the impacts of synthetic turf in a regional detention facility so that's going to take some specialty work with the consultant that we hire to figure out what we can can't do as far as how we can mitigate potential pollutants into the Dry Creek long term that will be a challenge for that project I don't have a time frame yet as far as when that will start construction but design will be the idea is we are going to hire a firm that's going to be able to handle designing all three of these concurrently and some might get ahead of the others and make sense to start construction but that's the idea that we're starting once we sign a contract we're kicking off all three projects not styling them ok the other five projects are Sandstone Ranch Community Park Phase 4 which is another three ball fields south of the ball fields that are existing there's also some playground replacements and AD improvements that need to be done on the existing infrastructure on the role in that project we'll keep this master plan improvements David will do that before as far as pickleball there we currently have a master plan that's adopted by City Council in 2009 that shows an ice facility on the north side of that that campus Community Park we're going to be going back to the public at some point this mid-year to gauge the interest we can't afford an ice facility at this point in time that's not what we want we'll be pursuing that location especially at this point in time so talking about changing the proposed use of that master plan from ice to pickleball to try to address some of the pickleball concerns that the community has offered over the past several years and we've seen different communities around the country are combining their sports on a single location and so since we have the Quail Tennis Complex the 10 courts there having a comparable pickleball facility of some sort makes sense so that would be something that would come to the board as we're engaged in the public about that but then going forward and building those improvements completing the Quail Tennis Master Plan Museum is currently working on an expansion that we're coordinating as well so there's several moving parts on that Community Park right now but that will be a future RFP once we get through the master plan update a future RFP for a design build and I don't have a time frame on that because it depends on how we onboard people that can only do so much so as we bring people on and get people here we can start assigning more of these RFPs five years is our end goal we don't have to wait five years so we're trying to move as quickly as possible Strike Creek Community Park Phase 2 you would have seen that in the survey for the potential recreation culture cats that is also a project that we're trying to get in Project 8-5 outside of the master plan shows a recreation center in an outdoor pool that would not be included in Phase 2 but the balance of the project would be including a couple ball fields right now the master plan does a couple ball fields a wind ball, a racquet ball a maintenance facility, a sledding hill a re-aligning Strike Creek to it's very great to make it a more healthy creek and then bringing people down into the water seasonally to interact with water that was something the community really wanted back when we did the master plan as I mentioned it's a 15 year old master plan a question in the leadership and council will be do we need to re-engage the public to see if some of those things we thought back in 2008 were still with the meeting once I would support that a quick public meeting might not be a bad thing but we'll talk about that but again that's not out right now that's future St. Mary Greenway Phase 12 which is the extension from Golden Ponds west underneath the airport road connecting towards Pelopons and the Boulder County properties just had a meeting a couple hours ago with the landowner represented we're still trying to get the land but we think we're on a good path to hopefully have that land on our possession in the next 60 days we'll hopefully get some of that so we'll have that land again don't have a time frame as far as when that will be put out for RFP we do also have 40% design for that project as well so we know generally where the trail is going to go and then the last project is the Union Reservoir Loop Trail that's is already just a master plan essentially we know where the trail is going to go we're waiting for our transportation folks to fund a project for County Road 26 to move that road out of the way so the trail can go outside the fee area of the southwest corner so here the loop's going to go around like this obviously we're trying to fit a trail between the road and the fee area through here so this road needs to be moved out to the southeast through here it's in the water plan for our engineering folks it hadn't been a funded priority but because this project is being included in the 8.5 we've asked them to show that funded in this current CIP I don't know where they're going to show that it's funded so that project will sort of impact the timing of the Union Loop Trail but we are working with our engineering folks to try to move that project forward so we can complete the whole loop trail that's the nexus of our five-year CIP that's where we are from right now to 2027-28 that being said we have other projects that we are working on AFOLT and park upgrades are done Luma Mill Park Renewal is ongoing if you drive out there you'll notice that my contractors started back up again they've been delayed by weather and things playground equipment going in later this week lights are up although not working because we don't have a switchboard yet because we're waiting for that switch here so anyway we're targeting end of May for completion of this project and I believe that Harman, whomever is planning a grand opening for August so we'll let you know when that gets done Sangler Park our new project manager Stephanie Cooper who might come to next month's meeting but we hired her to replace Kathy and she just started last week she's going to take that on and start getting that construction going here because the plans are already done by Kathy before she left and after plan update is on hold these bridges are TBD they need to be done we're not sure who's going to do them it depends dog park 2 relocation is on hold at this point in time there's some strategy discussions being held at the leadership level that that project might not be what it is now might be changing that project so we had money in this year's CIP for land acquisition and money next year for designing construction we look at that those dollars as we make some decisions in the next couple months as far as how we're going to report with dog parks in the city restroom I'll have quotes by the end of the month from contractors to get that done you'll see construction starting out there this summer the restroom in Kensington Park Gallo again as I mentioned 100% drawing here expecting to be by April 10th I would like to see construction starting around Memorial Day out there I've had a lot of really good luck in the past week or so with some gas lines the gas company is being very helpful in relocating gas lines that were going to be adversely impacted by the construction department what was the date against the construction by Farnino Gallo? starting construction hopefully by Memorial Day that's the plan again we put things out for bid if we don't get good bidders that delays things for months I can't control that but I'll have the project out and ready to go by then well it's two phase three as mentioned they're going to be bidding that here this spring and summer for construction and that's going to be about a 12 month construction period the biggest part of that is the railroad underpass but our engineering staff has had great conversations in coordination with the second hour of the Zach North Sandstone yes it's between Sandstone and Union this is because we had someone talk about the other end it kind of ends in a concrete path right now yeah it'll go from Sandstone north with the building of the new cotton collective building north underneath the railroad tracks and up to Union Road 4 crossing and then RSVP is on going at this point in time oh and St. Frank Phase 13 is outside of project 8-5 I'm working on the ones that I talked about Gallo Moon Miller, some of the others Danielle is working on St. Frank Phase 13 and she's almost at I think by the end of this month she's at 60% design so she's making good progress on that and it's been a challenge for her, there's a lot of challenges 12 is west like you said 13 is from Sandstone Ranch to St. Frank State Park we were originally planning to go underneath the highway at the St. Frank because David mentioned flood plains change you see that would not allow us to do that now we're building a separate pedestrian underpass just for the trail users to connect in and they'll be connecting sort of to the south west corner of St. Frank State Park 5.5 right there where that line is at but again now we have another HOA and private property owner so it's one negotiation yeah we'll be doing underpass in here and then bringing the trail along this north side of the State Park connecting to the trail right here so they're a little bit different than what we expected but still did great trail extension and then as David has mentioned in past meetings with Adams, Derrick, you don't friend of mine just bought this house right here, saw the paper this weekend he's an engineer, local engineer, he's a lucky guy he's great, he's property now but yeah the trail connecting St. Frank State Park to the north west corner back in the union would be a future project in fact less than future we just threw Chip and Steve may be able to tell us there's a transportation tax that comes out we have Bill Breenwald who works on putting those together he just got us almost $2 million to help with the project going from Union Reservoir out to the State Park there so this is where Steve talked about working out here with our property this is all the State Park and then Bill has $2 million he actually had a design done and it's like 7.5 to do this so right now we have a 10% match on that so it's a pretty good average of our funds to make that happen you might just mention that that's where we were on our last year last year for those of you there and again these all together have a big memo to council because the family was really getting tied in line this project wrapped up it's been a long project they have family they've definitely been working on this for a long time and needed to close for some reasons Boulder County was partnering on this they couldn't make that closing deadline so we covered the whole thing last week we was closing Boulder County they paid us $2 million for a conservation easement of the property so the whole deal is done we have another $2 million back in our bank account that we helped put towards trail projects and more acquisitions now too on the base 13 I figured out the landfill side of it and we do the field trip there's no question about that it's up here on top of the landfill behind us behind these businesses okay that's the bridge over there's a bridge here we come underneath the highway somewhere around here there's a new self storage facility right there that's again the self storage folks who are working very well with us the people who have that big communication tower will not talk with us so we're having to do some creative bridges because there's just an up drop we're going to have to make a bridge there just because they will not return a fall call so will our trip be pushed down or they lose this space but when the trail goes in the marchers that's their lease and we'll we'll build our trail and we'll figure out what to do we'll probably say we'll do something we're not even confirming with them we don't know anyway back to the work plan and then so that's what we're working on, that's what we're currently working on but as we onboard new staff members we did an update last month about new term positions that we're trying to get filled we have Stephanie, Batfield Cathy Danielle is becoming more of a, hopefully becoming more of a senior project manager we hope to hire a manager of the project managers, that's something Dave is trying to fill so we don't try them crazy somebody else crazy and then they can talk to him so hopefully we'll get those applications for the term positions as well as that manager in the next couple three weeks to get that out for us so yeah, that's all, just to get an update from this group Harold has signed up on all those positions now so now he's working through HR, he's out there with it, a lot of times he's just been steamed especially after Cathy leaving we'll have a full complement plus three additional positions to a term to kind of line up with these and then a manager for that group so I think it'd be great for the community to be able to get some of those dollars that they're sitting there out in turn into actual physical and that's the only way to find work so I can't do a million projects but there is also obviously a future project, these are projects that we've identified that PRAB has the in your overview, if you want us to try to prioritize some of these put it this way, with four five project managers we're going to be able likely to handle project 8-5 as well as some ancillary project every year we still need to do part renewals, our infrastructure doesn't go away so that program will continue to be we met last week we're working with finance I think tomorrow, the next day we met last week and it's looking like the next part renewals are going to be based on need is Thompson Park Shelters and Playground Roosevelt Playground and Hover Park in general those are the next three and then we have three trail segments also that we want to try to address so that's where we'll be doing that work as well, but there might be some opportunities for some other projects, we have to look at that if we show it as unfunded in 2027 maybe we can figure out if we have the bandwidth and then show it funded next year we'll have to strategize how we approach council about that but they have been very clear they want us to focus on these eight projects and I think if you see right now Steve doing his 8-5 those three projects he has, he's still doing Nino Gallo which is outside of that so we do think if we get people in this process moving the way that our procurement specialist feels it can move they'll be able to pick up one other project plus Playground maybe we can do as well yeah and so some of these Montgomery Farms, everyone knows what that is that's the 66 in County Line Sisters, Master Plan, Sisters is right next to Nino Gallo, we don't have a Master Plan for that Can you show them the maps? Sure Okay sorry let's see Montgomery is this this whole big thing here that's a future community park down roughly to the power lines and this is future nature area open space style land Sisters is some cattle here is Nino Gallo this is Sisters, it's a 70-acre parcel that we own that will be future community park this one's going to be a challenge because in order for this park to work transportation is going to need to fund Martin Street coming down through here and Pike Road coming over to here to make that transportation pattern that's not a rarity then in our transportation system that is not it's not serving much of anybody we're going to have to re-look at that internally before we really jump on that project because I don't know when a road that just abuts a park in open space is going to become a priority for our transportation system so we'll have to have that conversation Do you know currently which areas have the least access to a park? The largest neighborhood in Longmont without access to a neighborhood park is countryside village right there so that would maybe argue for that to get more attention Sure, but there's a community park right here and then there's this yellow right there So Longmont for the kids that countryside village Martin's going to split the park We'll be in the boundary of the park What can it just be accessed with a cycling trail and a bus stop instead of Martin No and a bus stop on the other side but there's already a bus stop at countryside village So we would not build a park with just bike access because this is a community park this will be sandstone ranges with all fields, lights, soccer fields that is what it's programmed to be and so it's going to need the infrastructure to handle that traffic on a regular basis just as sandstone and garden makers and other community parks so that would be a challenge In the place of Quail Campus I mentioned that one, garden makers master plan that one's, oh there's still another phase of garden makers in the south west corner splash pad and another playground I don't see that one coming up anytime real soon because we just renewed it five years ago and people are pretty happy with it Landon Park is a master plan that we haven't put any improvements towards the same with, well Spangler has some improvements that the master plan haven't done anything with I see those last two are kind of in peace so there's never been like a deal of completion for those neighborhoods Right, those parks were built 30 years ago 40, 50 years ago actually because it's definitely more than 30 probably closer to 40, 50 and so in the past decade or so park development staff, not me since neighborhoods and engage them so what would you like to see this park build out and look like? We did that but we don't have any funding we haven't signed any dollars toward that but we do know what the community vision was at that time for people 30 years No this was no more recent Paul was doing this stuff later in her career so I'm not as up to speed as far as what they look like but I generally know but these this is where we need to balance park renewal, new projects and updating existing projects so it's just this is why we're having this conversation we want to hear from Grabby, we want to hear what your priorities are so it can help us influence our planning and this does not have to happen tonight you can still hit me next month and I'll point in time to rearrange things but we really would like to get your feedback on this as always the first one is the one in West Loma right here this is Dry Creek Community Park right here there's a greenway trail we would like to get an underpass underneath more 75th and connecting to the H.I if you remember back in January was it when Danielle presented the board the request from Boulder County this was one of the long term requests connecting up to Recreation and Clover Basin Reservoir so that's on our list but again, no not prioritized as of yet A.H.I is a board county open space their name to the West 75th yes, I don't even know what A.H.I stands for I don't either it's always been the A.H.I it's a property Clover Basin Reservoir I talked about that, same with A.H.I connecting up to Clover Reservoir to the north trail connection to Terry Lake very long term but we were just talking about it last week I think they called is it a blue sky trail that was the one just there there's this trail basically there's a full section on most of that goes around active ag and stuff you can get around a walker then too the open sky look there that's beautiful so Terry Lake up here no that's it right there it isn't sure yet so we we own majority share of Terry Lake and do we own county and then we don't own the recreational rights yet but we could get them if we wanted to okay so we do our long term my plan does show connection up to Terry Lake there's a future neighborhood park that's going to be going up here when this neighborhood develops and so that is on our list we do have an easement secured a lot of years ago right here to connect from the trail over to 287 thinking that as this develops we'll have a side path along 287 we can start looping this is a challenge through here with this existing neighborhood and the church trying to thread a trail through there so that's a backup but county, this is county open space so we leave right here and the county is on board with this vision of trying to get a trail up to Terry Lake but we don't know how they're not who knows we haven't done any study of that yet but that is a long term goal for us um added Terry trail David alluded to and then we have yeah McCall Lake management plan we have several water bodies Dan Wolford and Danielle alluded to this before we have several water bodies where we allow recreation but we don't really have a management plan as far as what they're supposed to be doing it's really Danielle is working her way down the slope she's starting to button rock and she's going to work her way down hopefully to figure out how these things go but that's something that's been a gap that I think that the way David is envisioning the new open space and land management program that could be something that would rise to the forefront over the coming years uh Mackintosh Lake sign plan invitation there's a plan to put signs around Mackintosh which doesn't have a driver right now West Range neighborhood park is the tenure park just west of uh dry creek parks or right where that age I underpass isn't 75th that's where this parcel right here is a future neighborhood park uh just so you know this parcel and the dry creek parcel Jim Crick is working with uh some members of the public we're going to be trying to trap and relocate all prairie dogs in that property this summer uh there is an interest by uh a property owner in Pueblo to receive the prairie dogs and so it's a good opportunity to relocate whether the needs nice and so we are making an effort to uh Jim's working with uh several people in public to try to make that happen this summer so you'll hear about that probably later this year um and then oh me is a property out west that probably hasn't developed we've been nine acre parcels developing a nature area out there it's just north of the river along kind of like so again though that neighborhood they don't have much out there no village doesn't have yeah that's kind of connectivity I mean there's stuff around with the kind of activities that are there so the only parcel we own is roughly here this square and there's no access to it at this point in time there's no right away there's some sanitary sewer uh access easements through here that could probably finagle hit people down through there but it's tough to develop a park where you don't know what all of your Jason developed and look like great wise things like that so it would be a challenge but it's again it's a future project that we could certainly address if we wanted to or direct into I should say Fort Creek Estates is another open space property that doesn't have a master plan just like uh McCall Lake and then Terry Lake neighborhood park master plan that's up the one I mentioned up north of 66 so those are projects we've identified but it's not even all of them I have another 10 in my head right now that they're sort of renewal repair and maintenance but that's so that's really the presentation we have not yet sat down to prioritize projects for the 2024-2028 CIP because it's going to pretty much look like five or eight and five except for select projects we think we can fit in on the side if you have thoughts about what those select projects may be please let us know either now or next month and I can figure out a way to share this with the board so you can look over it it doesn't have the other projects but can you scan these and you can get a little quick so you can see if it works that'd be good and just know those are living documents they change on a monthly basis to get updated so if you see something in there don't think it's second stone things do change some of the uh room that you've got there is that stuff like the pickleball court side of things is that what you're talking about extra room wise possibly you know the pickleball courts in question are being held by David and Timbert Tosti who's our operations manager but projects could include pickleball such as you know gallows including four pickleball so it could help relieve quail campus is another one that could help relieve some of the pressure of the pickleball community so yeah we're looking really to try to address the concerns that are presented to us and the gentleman who was here before it's the same thing with cycling pickleball is a little easier because the pickleball court like I said is just one thing if you're good or you're bad you're playing on the same court um bike skills is a very tricky thing because you only mention pro riders we're not going to build a course for a pro rider that's what the X Games are for you know we have to figure out where we fit within the region as far as in what this community needs and try to go for without without building overbuilding something that is too hard to maintain and too costly to design so that's what we have to find out that's not currently part of what we want is there a point to go to the community like countryside village like what they're looking for in the sisters in your area sisters community park when we go forward and do that we would engage all the residents as well as everyone else but Steve about this because you just kind of lumped it pretty quickly there but Steve and Kathy both are really good if there are schools in the area if there are local communities that are a little bit diverse they've been a great job of reaching out to those specifically I just know that for the Nino Gaio park that they went to Burlington elementary and those kids don't go to Burlington elementary so that's why I was hoping that in the sisters community park that that would be and I know countryside village in Pasadena restaurants are easy places to have community meetings everyone that lives within I don't know 1,000 feet, 1,500 feet or whatever of this parcel was notified bi-lingually with a letter before we started designing so I don't know if that included all countryside village but it certainly included a lot of it so they knew where the meetings were they knew when the meetings were so it wasn't just school flyers that was just a nice little way to try to get more out of the park we did get some members, not many but some members of that community did I'm on the feedback side I feel like I love to give some feedback but I don't know enough from just the titles so I think for us to give you thinking about a couple things we can add it's probably easy for you to just throw down there from your head there's a couple different types of projects like building a master plan is very different from your little project or from a community park build out building a trail is very different from a new field, a neighboring park that has different applications so some idea of like type some idea of roughly the size is it 1 million or 10 million? I don't know until as I've known through actually you'll see if cost is 100 if you look here that helps a lot not for these future projects we don't have costs for those yet if you look at our work plan you'll see where we have some money budgeted for these projects they're not completely up to date they're the ballpark I think if it's a 10 million or 1 million they're ballpark these dollars are I'm just going to tell you come back with questions because there's different trending sources there's inflators that now we're seeing Steve talk about we tried bringing another project to make it more enticing but how much did we bump that budget up from 3 million to 10 million? so I think it's hard to tell there's a million dollar thing that seems to have a big impact it might be 500,000 or 2 million but if you have a rough idea it would obviously be better hold off on that and the last one you mentioned a couple of examples of timeline like the one to Terry Lake it really depends on we're not going to propose Terry Lake as a priority though you have a lot of institutional knowledge of what's possible and that would help us get better feedback a lot of it depends on when we get developed it started and stopped 2 or 3 times in the past 15 years it's going to take the economy to drive that can you go back to the texture of the longer term projects? so I'd just like to put a plug in for the ahi save trail and the clover basin with the board just because I think that making that sort of nature area accessible would be kind of like a mini Pella crossing closer to the long line and there's not a lot of places that are like that we go to Pella a lot to get that more natural experience so I think that would be a really nice suggestion I have a question there's a clover basin trail extension that aren't going so when it goes from what's called the Sam's Club to something like that Tri Creek yes that is um yeah so that is right sorry Austin Fairgrounds Sam's so it's right here trail from Sam's Club we built this trail in the north side of Sam's Club when Sam's was built we'll be extending that over to Sunset Street and they're at 30% design working toward 60% it's supposed to be built in 2024 whether it's been this year designing do you have an interest in that one or are there some challenges where it comes into Sunset they're trying to get it yeah um we've seen this in B.I.C. I guess we should have but we're thinking of flashing lights across pedestrians here this road is turning into a two-lane road from a four-lane road right now it's going to be the road diet that's consistent with what's been done south on Sunset Street and so moving people across now we need to decide okay we take them up frontage road we get into this cul-de-sac and then what we try to build an intersection right here to get them up price road up to the Greenway Trail like that's long-term but that's not what this project is doing so I've deferred to our transportation folks to decide where we cut it off I'm funding only up to Sunset Street that's my project but any because that's a trail project there is interest to get further to the city just somehow get west and southwestern along towards the Greenway there's a lot of competition for a street fund dollar right now there's a lot of projects around the city there's seeking grants there's infrastructure grants that are out there and dollars out there so I know they have people looking for those to see if they can stretch those dollars even further I know that a big project that was under design was to redesign that parkway down to here and that's just in the shelf so if you're riding around town, do you see Easierway? No, no, no. Yeah, but nobody wants to be on ten-pratt so that's a nice backdoor down onto the Greenway so do you see that being a potential if we can work that out? It can be done now you can drive price road you can get on the sidewalk here and there's a crosswalk right here and a crosswalk right here so you can get over we need to work to get action to the front road and strike down or share those because it doesn't seem a lot of traffic in my opinion, that's all I have to fill our transportation plan but yeah That's crazy scary intersection where you talking about those pedestrian things that's crazy I'd rather go through the fairgrounds I'd rather see this all go up into the fairgrounds to get through that What's cool is that eventually we'll have both this just is a route that we've identified that we want to make a connection to but there's also a route from you know we're looking for sorry this area is slated for redevelopment this whole parking lot that everyone races through myself included I can get 62 but that's the hot holes but no this is slated for redevelopment through here with that redevelopment we're going to be looking closely at pedestrian connections not on hover connecting up here connecting into the fairgrounds property with their redevelopment challenger process they're going through we've been in communication with them talking about pedestrian connections through the fairgrounds not on pushing out the hover and then connections up to the RSVP project and the trail that appears so that is they're both goals try to get people off of hover and off of because there's only a certain segment of cyclists or pedestrians that are comfortable walking on those major routes awesome thank you and can I ask about another trail park tour there is a trail extension it's kind of sitting we just kind of call it the Bald Eagle Trail Lock section it doesn't quite get to Mill Valley it's the one that's near that big pot is what's the status of that I mean everybody sees the beautiful start of a trail and ends and we tell them the whole story but we were told that at some point that we started because again all of these condos have no and people in Mill Valley have really poor connection with the rest of the city so you should kind of jump across to get to that avenue but not that extension but these are really bad intersections but that eagle nest has been gone for a while so we do have opportunities so for board members that weren't here because Scott has been around for a long time we had originally built the same greenway here's the greenway, here's the 119th street trail head Ken Pratt Boulevard 119th street we had originally built the trail over here and cross underneath County and I road here and come down across the river to the trail that was the original design well we got through construction up to here when we were alerted to an eagle nest in this location we had to stop the project redesigned took a year and a half working with the state and the feds to redesign and that's why the trail comes now underneath 119th down 119th street the quick silver along quick silver we got underneath Kylan road so that's what we built back in 2009 there is the desire to make this connection up to Mill Village right now our same greenway efforts and dollars around 13 East 12 West this is sort of 14 in my mind but the challenges of that is we have this quarter we bought the old railroad right of way along here we have access up to Mill Village and getting the ADA access up there is going to take a much wider swath because of the grades so that will be one of the challenges that's why this may end up tying in with the development of the only nature area in the interim we're working to try this property here is developing we want to get a side path across here I'm working hard to try to get some sort of connectivity between the county to try to get a trail down I'm not sure how that's going to come together you know there's a big effort on redeveloping the sugar mill whole areas and this is one of 700 topics of conversation around redevelopment of that area so it's on the radar as well as on the radar it's connecting Bay Street down through this down to this intersection with the multi-use corridor this could be a side path could be but something that's connecting down to there to get people to this light so they can get down so is there a name for this old version of the same brain same brain picture of Facebook just to see okay what would you call it the old trail? you're ready to close here remember another question you mentioned on the 8-5-8-5 plan there were a couple of ones that you couldn't get good bids on a lot of that schedule is digitified to getting the things that you want do you anticipate that being a problem or that just those projects are bigger and harder and less appealing so we increased the budget to reach the two parks that we didn't get good bids on by it's reasonable now half million for one park and I think I did at least 900,000 on another park adding the third the synthetic fields in we have increased the overall budget for the three parks to a point where we think we can get some more experienced design build teams to come in and try to tease out and stretch your dollars the whole concept behind design build is to try to maximize your dollars and not have just supposed to be faster and cheaper that's everything that I've been trained on so that's what we're hoping happens it's a very volatile market two or three meetings ago about several transportation projects and other projects that the city would love to build but bids are coming back double and so we need to rethink about how we're budgeting for projects which is I saw your eyes raise you went from a 3 million to 13 million for three projects is a big jump but we'd like to get some bids so we don't have to spend all 13 we can reign these folks and say you know you're building a merry-go-round next to the merry-go-round we'll save a million for another budget we still have to say over what happens there we want to get bid we want to have the money there for so we can default irrigation pipe is up 300% across the board how do you want to proceed on stage where would you like to go from here like I'm taking notes sorry I didn't know if you turned it over to the gavel kind of did but also any other comments or questions on this topic and so the bigger picture is that next month you want feedback back from us you're going to see in blue the project 8-5 those are those are happening you can give feedback all you want but those are happening per direction that I've received there's other projects and you might ask for 7 and we might be over 53 I can't tell you but I'll be here next month and we can hear what you guys are recommending and maybe the board can make some sort of recommendation or something to staff that would be a good council because this would be a good council through the CIP so should we all each number all of these pick two or three we like how do we want to carry forward it's hard to do it just remember that so I wish I would pick our two or three favorites or how do we you know I'm not sure how to proceed to make it a finite time thing next month that could make sense if we each pick our top like two or three we see what overlaps between the seven ones some of these are valid I will clarify those but there's also these that are not in the work plan so 37 20 so there's 10 11 there and then another dozen or so on the other page that page let kind of feedback would be most valuable to you I mean if there's I know that you have a lot sort of already programmed so if we were you know going to try to make a case for something additional or for something that moved up in the time frame I mean if we were to try to is it better if we try to align around something or do you want to just hear each of our individual opinions I would rather you align around something that would be more productive for me and add more weight to how we're moving forward rather than seven different opinions but that being said it could be as simple as we would rather you pursue trail projects over infill park projects or infill park projects over trail projects or what it could be is you could raise it up and be general in a direction that way and that would make sense to you or you can be granular either way works for me so I mean I would think we could do sort of a mix if we wanted to talk about this at the next one have everyone come ready to talk about you know a couple different categories or a couple different projects and see if we have one one other idea we can do is they're kind of in three different sheets right now in areas I'll just put them all on this as the names with like the type of thing is planned whatever type size and timeline what if we all took that list and we all had other points to allocate and we just put numbers in there add them all up and that's our average is that too simple I don't know it works for me it's like talking about 40 projects is going to be pretty hard to do we have done that before I will get you an updated spreadsheet with them all in one sheet so don't didn't work plus those and I'll put I don't think you guys care about fun you just care about size correct you don't care whether it's 2 million or 3 million you just care whether it's a half million 5 million or 20 million and the timeline that's that's easy to do let me get that to you Jeff one thing to spring up is I don't know what you're thinking about next week when you talked about Johnny and Becky and folks coming that might take that might take the lectures of the meeting so you might need to handle this digitally which it's up to you guys or you want to handle it I can take feedback however you would prefer but I want to make sure the board keeps moving gets the ring put on the CIP but also keeps moving on the I have the stuff to end by end of the month so that literally makes sense so when we're choosing is like the board comes up with these other projects what's your idea of like the end of the meeting because you're basically already set with the CIP what's the end of the project total and why are we asking for years out we're just still in the process of hiring people that's kind of where I'm at too I think this is a good probably for me understanding what's coming up and this year I'm not sure how much difference it's going to make but because the board idea was kind of up there we can then not be rushed for the next time because I think the next time we will have something bad with, we will have some fun, last do you have the not three projects out already and Facebook Facebook team of the Greenway but I think just getting that idea of as we're looking at the future what probably some of us are in the way of saying where is the public wanting to start the board has to be able to provide input so I definitely want to take it David's right there's not going to have a whole lot this year but it does get a lot of years priorities every CIP cycle that's a five year cycle so it would help inform us in the future why can't we put the notes that's an easy thing to add for mine staff and mine council when they read every word of the CIP that's two to make sure that we know that crab April 24 or 23 felt that these were priority projects well then if it's not, if it's not could we then take this too I'd like to idea about having a retreat because this isn't an easy communication thing like this so basically we say something and then you guys counter and then like we don't ever get to discuss among ourselves our own priorities this seems to me like a retreat thing so that we can actually like as our group that that would actually be really helpful to me I would think I'd like to know about your liking priorities you know what I mean like I'd like to have more give and take between us not us you counter and then we not well we have a discussion of the retreat and that's what we think there's a couple of things I was going to throw out for potential topics yeah this seems like it might be and then it would be timely for this year no it would be timely for April but if it's but if they don't really need it because if you don't really need it because you're not going to use it why give our point value thing and spend our time making a point value thing when it wasn't considering everybody else's and ideas and things like that it just doesn't seem as valuable as what you can have from us if you wait a couple months when you're and that might be when you have time to read it a couple months would have no effect and then 24 to 28 CFP couple months would have some effect on 25 to 29 CFP there may be new board members there may be new priorities then I have no idea it's really this is a something we came up with to talk with the board you're welcome to talk amongst yourselves now I'll sit here and listen I don't need to respond to everything I'm here for clarification purposes but I there's nothing past mid April all the input you give is great the council staff is already done with our our staff that goes to make the leadership and then next time the public will have any sort of input on that as one of the CFP goes to council but yes this will have a small impact but it will impact out years more than back 2024 so let's do this let's let's go digital because I think we need to get this before the evening plus we have a package in it for next month so let's try to take it off offline as a digital we're going to upgrade the spreadsheet a little bit simplify simplify a little bit for us and then we'll just make set of due date for the well when you need our feedback by we have a 10 minute conversation that's going to screen something before next meeting but we can have conversations amongst ourselves that I'm clear yeah this is an individual project that we all take on and then we'll group up at the public meeting to discuss the next meeting maybe we want to extend the time so speaking of time okay that's my presentation lessons for questions were you thinking about a retreat sooner that this could be on it or I don't think we could schedule it that soon okay I've just been in scheduling nightmares so there's multiple spring breaks so I'm like I'm just going to say yeah this one was about yeah and if you have any questions why don't you get this spreadsheet feel free to email me and I'll fill you in on what your question is I do think staff are part of this turn seriously we talk about trying to get recreations for you I've had it I know we asked about it this would be especially convenient to me if you had the link to the Google Earth pins on all of it that would be great I don't know that we have time to do that next month I'll try so that the CIP like sheets all have the address and a little map that will work for all of the one all of these here are on the CIP the future projects are not in the CIP there's nothing there so they all have a link to the map when you click on the ones that have a link so there's a map on that on the CIP on the CIP website to put in the CIP I want it easier thanks I want to I feel like that's a pretty good request I'd like you simply link to that I'm sorry to the CIP yeah to the CIP that seems to me like respect would be support time yeah we'll you'll have that that sounds great or just with the spreadsheet that sounds great whenever we do that I think they'll be together and that would be good and it's all in one spot so that we're not searching without two and have ten different people searching this this will come out one that alright the only thing I was going to say is I think this feels that rush feeling trying to be deadline but I think for this group long term planning is a big piece I mean we've talked about stuff so I think that this really could get wrapped into a larger conversation about setting sort of long term goals as we move these things up I think this group could incorporate into a conversation that could help us align with what we have as a five year plan so this group probably should be thinking more in that kind of timeframe too as opposed to how do we try to influence something next year that there's not and I wouldn't even say a five year plan I would say prioritizing projects because I can't guarantee it's going to be done in five months so I'd like to look at that prioritization of projects is a little whatever it's worth and if you you have to go through the budget and it's like I once had to understand if you don't have your voice in the first week of April you have no voice it's all I'm telling you it's underway whether you're here or on the same council number one number two it would have been so helpful to me to have had the result of this process the way you just kind of framed it David especially with my categories like trail, parks greenway how do you classify that because it's always a challenge in my mind to figure out how to be helpful it's one thing to sit here the one place that whoever is your liaison can be helpful is when you get into the budgeting process and to let somebody know we'd like you to carry our priorities into that and and know what those priorities are it would be difficult there's so much there and part of what part of what we're doing right now is a result of having listened and trying to take some of that input into the budgeting process but if you were to take that time and somebody who is liaison could say in the budgeting process these are the priorities for what happened and when it comes to CIP some of the questions I'm going to be asking when we get into the budgeting even if we don't get it done at least for the staff and the things that you care about and somebody will carry some of those questions or concerns into the budgeting discussions that would be really helpful and somebody mentioned it's very consolidated it is for staff too we don't have a lot of time we look at this mid-April every year and it's quick I could always come with the CIP presentation in January but that's often when we're voting on new members all that stuff it's somewhat of a non-productive meeting less productive meeting but think about that for a few years if you want to handle it I would say January would be better I'm telling it like that and I'm glad to hear that like I was like why are you going to do almost that if it's happening to city council too if we just plan earlier that just makes sense I really feel like digitally is not the way I don't even know what I grant these people on I don't even know if it's worth my time to pull this up and I need a conversation with humans that is what I mean and the challenge with January and Sam they're brand new in January they don't even know us but along what we're going to be talking about I feel like I'm really I don't remember this happening last year like in some way every year but it's always slightly different and I do think it would be worth having a conversation about the timing because my impression is that when we have these conversations the input that we can give is not that timely so I wonder if we do something earlier like even November or October and just say here's our priority we're going to retreat the budget opens up and it's really quick there's no reason this work can't be done prior to that and that's where I think as we then start looking at Steve did wrap up these two projects we have that capacity and that's about next series if we can start back filling in we can keep that looking out in the future we can really keep a again like Steve said every year we don't hit that target but we know from this group these next priorities can start shifting into that we have a lot of priorities out there this recreation in this group I think it helped us start back filling that and that doesn't have to be done in January to be done starting that conversation in January we say we have one spot what do you think the one should be I think this stuff doesn't the details within the ones you're actively working on do change somewhat but the other things don't change that much so I feel like if we could have that conversation leading up to it then you would have a feedback when you guys as staff go into this process and then you can report back I think one thing that I hear too is like you're all going to say but you guys know what the community wants us to do I never said that yeah I think we should were you in your room by yourself I think this spreadsheet has definitely been helpful for me at least this did exist last year and this was made for city council and leadership to be able to track a little bit more real time forward progress yeah I mean because I feel like it's always interesting it feels important but it never feels quite satisfied because there's such a short amount of time and it doesn't feel like we really are positioned to give quality input so if we could figure out a different way a different level of I don't know conversation and priorities and maybe that would help right I think that it was June, July or October, November like you said that then we get to this point and all of a sudden we have two projects that are done we can say we now have capacity for two more projects where we think we should start focusing you have a lot of that we're done and we still agree the other thing that would help my priorities is that sometimes even if a project is four or five years out you might let the county know now we think we're going to want to build an AHA connection in the next four or five years so I'm thinking about planning thinking about what's going to happen on their side who's going to fund what, share costs so they can budget to have those conversations years in advance Steve staying on this schedule based on what you put on this we're thinking about this as a Gantt chart so I'm like this is I had a different but Harold made his way to reach better than him so that's what we're going with and the relevance of the conversation we're having about 2024 or 2025 to 20 million in the CFP budget is tied as much to how much progress you make you've got design construction or bin without a narrative, without a mile marker or an intended outcome by the end of the fourth quarter because if you're off schedule it has huge implications for what you're able to do the next year financially and otherwise I've had this conversation, Harold and I looked at this spreadsheet and my question here was one of the mile markers for the design build or even one of those tasks by the end of this year so it's there I started having input drop this into the notes that if you didn't know that I would click so we just started to figure out where we could try to do that so if you go like having everything on the spot would be great but you do have to kind of click in it that's a project and Steve has hit a barrier because it was a gas line out at Nino Gallo or Sisters that should be in there and when it shifts that note should be there this should be a historic kind of running narrative then too and a project is active date in, an updated month that's what the collection has been so fast well I would think that that would be really useful to this board but this spreadsheet is not available to the board right now it's not public based but we can make this I don't know what you mean we can make it as public facing we can work on it that's what the CIQs work David and I really feel I think with this route then it can be a monthly update at this meeting then well let me tell you I've been asking for that for a while and whether it's public facing or not you can see but to have this thing available on the website I wasn't talking about but I was suggesting for this point I understand but this is all live linked based on the city share point I don't think ETS is going to let these folks we can lock that down but that's something that that's a piece that comes in your pack and you can have to see a locked version of it maybe yeah just in the name of accountability I'll let you figure it out I would just say last year at some point I ran through most of the current CIQ projects and what you went through tonight was hard to handle from what I've told them that so the narrative part is really important the things you're commenting on in your experience about why we might do this is far more useful than those one page at least to me as a resident so some thing in between of those it goes in the CIP but it's pretty intense as a document it doesn't even the public face in the CIP doesn't even have all the detail that you provide which has more information as far as timing and also seeing this stuff once in a month I mean I can't be the only person who can't concentrate in a room with 15 people you guys get to see this all the time and like deep dive into it but it's tough for us to do that because there's I mean it's just not accessible and if I the reason why I got on here on the board is to make this whole process more accessible that's the whole point and it's just a lot of times the information isn't very accessible for us and for if I could paraphrase what I think Dr. Waters is saying is that making it accessible and understandable and digestible for us and for us to come back and forth on our own time when we're not in a room that nobody can think of here I'm not the only person I mean okay good but you're the outlier I'm a teacher so I know that nobody can think when all that stuff's going on that you need some time to suck it in and really ruminate over it I don't think it's really nice if we could have that you know I can think of you when I go in the city of Chelsea I mean I can't you know I get it like it's just tough but it's really hard to make our decisions and it's probably more accessible but I'm really there's got to be we'll figure something out for next month but one thing I'm trying to get to the herald level as well it's just on these projects just some sort of red-green yellow is it on track? if it's not on track there should be a note if it's green you're not going to see anything if it's yellow there's something I'm going to think about if it's red it'll be the reason we ran into a gas line I'm trying to get to that point but I don't believe to be thinking about that I'm trying to keep it they're doing the projects they're doing the spreadsheets they're doing the prep updates they'll get their projects done so if I can get information that we're already putting in that's what I'm trying to do where's this information going that we can pull it in and provide it I see someone in my head it sounds like the problem for you when you manage it yourself yeah it sounds like this will be something that will be solved in the future is that right? we'll make a progress from what you saw last year to what we're hoping to go it's just a quick jump in here time check we have 5 minutes until we have to extend I think we're going to have to extend we have some new business and we can package the puppies and everything with that as well so we usually extend 15 minutes you're doing the best part of this time okay we'll see will we extend the meeting for 15 minutes? thank you second that we're going to dig a boat on this let's take a look at the stamp we have food all right awesome so next up on the agenda is Discuss Potential Retreat cool so this is kind of I think Paige and you're going to talk to this yeah so this is something we talked about it last year and didn't ever settle on doing one so I thought maybe revisit this year I do see our Boulder County you know counterparts do this every year I think a couple times a year they do retreats and the idea would not be necessarily to go somewhere far away but just I mean we could even go to like the Isaac Welton Building or Sandstone or Callahan House or something I don't know somewhere that we could all you know just sort of talk together we could have a sort of learning session conversation one topic that I'm interested in is just learning more about how all the different master plans work and fit together and since we're thinking about you know master plan on the recreation side and at some point maybe we're going to go back to the sort of parks open space trails and then you know I realize until we're doing this that there's also like lots of individual project master plans so I mean that's one topic I would be interested in learning more about is just sort of what are the master plans governing the things that we have some jurisdiction over and then you know maybe that would lead into some conversation about the upcoming recreation master plan I think the CIP process you know might be another topic so I just throw it out there the interest of the people want to do it and you know I would guess maybe like a half day and we could have like a couple of questions another thing I think we just kind of talking about what the CIP process was like how do we all get information about these parks and places like if you're steep and you have localized it's much easier to keep in mind I think we probably all have our own patterns of how we use the city website to find things whether it's googling or searching the city website we can probably look into how the public might also consume information better and know about what's happening nearby to them because it is relatively difficult to find out what's going on with a certain park in my experience yeah the parks open space and trails from that page the city communications department is working on changing remamping the whole city web page that is the project that is active right now I have no idea where they are what their time frame is but that is something but we need this thing up to date and put all those different projects on that and so maybe the communications team could possibly help us in the future but right now we have our park and trail development and this thing well it's just not it's just not complete it's just not complete that name is changed and the timeline is changing and I think that all the time it's not feasible but there are other ways to do that so I guess I mean I think right now it would be helpful just to know that people want to pursue that and then we could do some additional I could maybe work on some potential topics and share with all of you or you could submit them and kind of decide the next one I think we could maybe think about May if we do how does it work if we do and I think it still needs to be open yes so it has to be noticed and do we can we in addition to a meeting or we would do it in place of a meeting that's up to you can we use a city facility like you mentioned weekend, weekday I was thinking maybe a Saturday just because I'm personally really tired at night but so any thoughts? yeah I'm all for it and I think it would be in addition to the field trip meeting I think that's a dialogue to bring people out to see where is a retreat to be in a particular location I know we have people there see a real space I know I go quickly and I know this something else on your retreat would be to talk about what your field trip is where you want to go it's something that the board struggles with trying to figure out if that might be a topic I think you already just said that it's float trip right? is that feasible? I mean we have indivisible that's a public spot between with the snowpack now it's unlikely to end up closed at some point this year depending on the weather but between mid-may and late-junior it's possible I think we're interested we can talk about logistics we'll see what waivers we need to sign for that waivers I think there's a canoe outfitter that does that I have not existed 12 canoes that's cool this is why we have to have a retreat or something I barely know people's first games I like the idea of these things being kind of close together because then we build momentum a little bit just that makes not necessarily but kind of close together so that we are building momentum and so are you thinking may well I'm sorry but it's fine to have to have to Saturday and I I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I I think it might be policy city open over the public meetings on Saturdays I think it might be policy not on Saturdays on Sundays so if we get that Sunday that we did in the afternoon on Sunday rather than I'm assuming you're going to want to go before lunchtime on a Saturday so that's everybody well let's if there's general support maybe we can look at those Saturdays in May and am I allowed to collect ideas from people for topics they should send them to David and I and then we can talk about okay so send your ideas to David and Jeff and then we'll talk about and during our next some topics great can you do the doodle poll or do we have to send David will do the doodle poll Steve can do that yeah Libby Moonstrap I'm fine with those yeah we can all like we just can't talk about it I've done a lot of meetings of gurus before but staff isn't allowed to drink we've done it several times that's why I'm on the spot alright let's move on to discuss items from the packet do you have any questions about items from the packet Isaac Walton reached one it's my question okay boss memory bridge nightmare update timelines so as you might be reading the paper project came in almost double staff is working to try to secure funding through different budget budget budget budget budget budget budget budget budget budget budget budget budget budget budget budget budget budget budget budget budget budget budget budget budget budget budget for the city so we'll get funded because that is part of our match for the $10 million for the Corps to build their project so we can't really walk away from it like we want that next project to be done so I'm confident we'll finish figure out a way to fund it. If we start construction by late May I'd be happy for the bridge. The Army Corps of which we have no control over their time. Last I heard is they're they want to start construction in July August. I think I put that in the update. I think it will be in July now. We don't have any control over that. They're they're struggling with supply chain issues and construction pricing and things like that just like everybody else and I think that they feel as though they would be better to build that levy dam in the fall after Monof and try to work it through the winter to be prepared for spring 24. So it doesn't have to go back to the bridge project? No. Last I heard anyway now it's always an option but I know that the city is very intent on getting that done. Construction prices are only going up right now. They're not dropping. We're not looking for the sale price so I think we're looking to reward to award to the limited on that project. I haven't seen anything so I don't know how much is ready to bike alternative path or anything. Well yeah I recall to Josh about reach one which is primarily like not closed so right to not finish so that if Boston Avenue Bridge get pushed six months we could use it to get on to Boston Avenue but they're going to work on the bridge in May. If we had had this conversation knowing what we do now back in October we would have done that. We just thought that the bridge first of all bridge back delayed into a bid and we got received the bid we'd have about money now trying to find the money. I would admit the city made a mistake. We calculated projects moving sequentially and there was a gap and all of now all of now in the heart of the city we should have put a temporary trail up to Boston last fall. Allow people to use it to the winter and then rip it out but it's too late now. It's not anything. But by the time we got the funding and the rating and figure that all out because that project is actually not complete yet it's still not even construction acceptance. I've got meetings a couple weeks to talk about it so even though it's not active construction it's still not open to public because it's closed construction so we wouldn't have a trail there right now. We would have to work with the contractor for them to allow the public on their infrastructure because their insurance company is still on the hook for that piece of property. Right. So is the irrigation problem fixed? Irrigation. They'll be testing as we start up here in the next couple couple weeks. They've done a lot of irrigation work in the fall right up to listen over here. Other items from the package? This is a long question you can follow for me later. I didn't understand like when you were, what was the language about the WREC budget? Being like under, under validated, underfunded? Yep. So that's the worry. And can you explain that? Like I said if it's too long. So that's, I said to do that. Yeah. Will we do it in a more of a chart form? That would be easier then. Like what, what that means? The simple part, the simple basis is that 25% of the WREC budget was pulled at COVID. It still has not been replaced. Last fall we ran out of budget. We didn't have enough money to complete the year. But due to position savings we were able to transfer from staffing into operations to get us through the year. We are now running at 100%. Our revenues are higher than they've ever been. And yet our budget is still cut by 25%. There have been some things that have been added back in. But overall WREC is being run out of money earlier. And so we're looking to reappropriate at some point. Which has been a part of this process that, that reparations can go back and ask for budget when the time is here. And the time is here in my opinion based on what we're bringing in, what we're doing, our participation numbers. So that's the. So will you in the next budgeting process be able to ask for an increased budget to return to. If the revenues continue on. How can we support you? Just be aware of it. What we think is that this will, will be told, I'm going to try to get information to variance after this month. So a quarter's information. What we think the general will tell us is to come back in the middle of the summer half of this year. Because we'll have money reappropriate that time based on estimates on what will get us through the year. Staff wise, full time staff utilities and that's the super short version. And next month I'll have a quarter's information. Any other items in the packet? I see that irrigation is starting out. And I always have, I'm really concerned about our water use and things like that. I'm wondering, can I find out like how, like, I want to know more about irrigation. And if like, I see a lot of our Zariscape plants that were put in, like right after the flood and things like that, they're still being irrigated, irrigated many days a week and things like that. And I feel like that could be a budget savings also with us talking from all around the river, something that we could stop doing. You know, if we have Zariscape plants, they're getting, now they're getting watered tons. And I know that they survive without it. How can I promote that? How can I get us to stop irrigating, over-irrigating what I see? So I think that's a piece that we have multiple staff members working on that. We're not only working on it internally with our conservation group or sustainability group, but also we have Northern Colorado Water Conservation District coming in and working with our irrigation systems. Our irrigation systems are large and complex. So it's not like you're home where you can just turn off one little piece. A lot of this stuff that if you turn up to the Zariscape plants, we haven't really redesigned irrigation systems. It doesn't turn it off to the trees. So if we want to keep our trees going, we run into that path where we're like, oh, our turf is fine. So we're working on how we can redesign some of our irrigation systems that are older systems that still have very broad coverage zones. So we're getting grants from Northern Colorado to look at some of those. We do those part-by-part as we do redesigns. We'll work on it as well. The other piece is people drive through parks and see irrigation on at times like, well, why are you on right now? It's the middle of the day. There is absolutely no way we can water all the parts with our pumps at night. There's just too many acres to do that. So we have a lot of pieces come in as far as the size and scale system and the age and the ability and the zones and the systems that we're working on. So it's something that, again, we're working with our water group, my horticulture group, and also our consultants. I would also say, especially for DRIP, if you've even talked about irrigating turf, especially our sports fields, which is what's starting out now, the rest of the irrigation won't be coming onto only equal. It's just the community park sports fields that are coming on now because they'll start playing here in a couple of weeks. They're playing now. They're playing first. But if you see DRIP, that's on or broken, report it. Use our call center, report it to location, whether a pan or whatever, because as complex as our systems are, we don't have staff to go out and check every emitter on an annual basis. If that happens every 10 years, I'd be surprised. So if you see something that DRIP is on seven times a week or something, let us know. Yeah, I'd love to. There's a lot of downright floods sometimes. Oh, yeah. Call center. Photos or sports. Yeah, those things that we just, you're our eyes and ears in that. We just don't have people everywhere to do that. Great. Okay, let's move on to items from staff. We've got two minutes. We don't have anything. We can always extend. If we had 10 minutes for staff. Items from the board and we can extend. Okay. One quick one. David, did you, the bathroom that I brought up at Pratt Park a month or so ago, they put it on Port-a-Potty. It was great. Did you know that it got blown up? Oh, yeah. Yeah. There's still glass there. We actually, oh, there is. Thank you for passing on it. Just so the group knows, Daniel was in our system where they're working with camera systems. We were working with our public safety officers and rangers, but our Port-a-Potty system right now may be done. Our contractor basically says that they're just done. All over town? Yeah. All over town. Wow. Look, they already used that picture in the morning. Super low level. It's got melted right to the ground. Yeah, you're saying. It's terrible. Five long minus states elementary school. There's nothing there now. It's at the burnt spot on the ground, a rectangle. I didn't know. There was some glass in it. I'm really glad to know it wasn't like that. All right. Sorry. No, no, no. I could resist. That could be the end. Anything else? Yeah, there's something else going to have a motion to. I move with adjourn. Second. Second. All in favor. All right.