Awesome. Yeah. Thank you for inviting us to talk about this book that we sprinted in 10 days. I'm a Book Sprint facilitator and also the CEO of our little company Book Sprints. Book Sprints started in open source software when our founder Adam Hyde experimented with floss manuals and tried to make writing documentation collaborative and fun and fast and came up with this five day process. Then it moved to big tech but also academia, open educational resources, government reports. We've sprinted books on basically anything but we're still really happy to make books on open source projects. So yeah, I was really happy when HPE invited us to do a Book Sprint on Spiffy Inspire. This year we couldn't meet in person anymore so our five day process is now a 10 day virtual sprint process but it still works really phenomenally because the writers, in this case we have 12 writers, they really put in long hours and across different time zones and a lot of hard work to still make a book in this time frame. If you want to move to the next slide I can give you just a very quick impression of what that may look like in the background you see our brainstorming board. So what we would usually do in a room full of whiteboards we now do online. So we brought together 12 writers for 10 days to first brainstorm and come up with a concept for the book, structure that and start writing and revising the content. So everything has been going through 12 pairs of hands and eyes and fact checked and rewritten and restructured over and over again. Until we come up with a book that you see on the right side is just two example pages. The book has 200 pages and 80 diagrams, all of that done within those same 10 days. So I was the facilitator I have absolutely no content knowledge, but I guided the group of writers through this entire process helped them to stay on track and stay productive. And in the background I have a team of copy editors and book production experts who make all those diagrams copy editor content, the layout of the book in real time during those same 10 days so everything is ready to be published immediately. So, yeah, the book was launched about a week ago and today's our first little presentation which is really exciting. And some of the authors I see here, which is amazing. Maybe you can introduce them quickly. Yeah, absolutely. I think this was my first book sprint but I think Andreas is a master of book prints now he has done multiple of these so he was the first person to bring this idea up as well. Eventually we went with it. He convinced us. I think it was like from a person who did the book sprint for the first time it was it was a great experience. Initially I could not believe that you could create a book in 10 days right but you could. You talk about these prints within code and development but you know having a having a sprint around a book was was something that's really useful and we believe we had a diverse set of writers from different companies from different fields. So this is the list of you know all these people from different companies. Many of them are renowned in the specific community in the security circle like Emily Fox and a bunch of others. All of them had some sort of experience within the domain right either they were like I said security experts, or they had run similar things like Ian and Michael and Netflix in the past. They had some operation experience with spiffy inspired as well when their organizations with Frederick and Eli to name a bunch. So again it was a great experience. It was and we feel like it solves a real problem for someone who is looking to learn about spiffy. Again we wrote the book with a perspective of, hey this is how if you wanted to get started on spiffy. These are the key concepts you need to learn what was the rationale behind starting spiffy in the first place. These are the key concepts, like Barbara mentioned what was amazing was, we were able to generate I think 50 plus I don't know the exact number I know you had it on the last slide. tons of illustrations, 80 illustrations done and a lot of them are open source are available to the community as well we make it available if anyone wants to use those illustrations to convince their bosses or, you know preach spiffy within the organization they are feel free to do so. So we also covered some things like benefits for if an engineer likes the concept and they want to you know, build a case for it for their, you know boss or on the business side there's some content around that too. And it also covers likely advanced topics like you know deployment strategies and integrating spiffy with other tools and how does it compares with other tools as well also a big thank you to the practitioners stories that were submitted. Bobby from Anthem Ryan from Uber Germany from Pinterest Michael and mad from square. But amongst a few that submitted, you know, some real practitioner stories as well that you know people can get some deeper insights around that. So again, we're excited about this book. Hope you find it useful. I think we already have over 1000 downloads in the last week and we haven't even promoted it that much. The link is available. We'll have different versions of this book available soon as well both a hard copy and you're trying to get a kindle version of it as well. Like I just mentioned, I think there's a book of, you know, people who are trying to, you know, adopt the journey, going from zero to production with spiffy right and you'll hear a lot about this turtle you probably saw the turtle in all the slide decks to So we made the name of the turtle is zero the turtle naturally builds on a concept around you know how spiffy solve for the secret zero problem or the bottom turtle problem as well. So you'll see that a lot in presentation that I think Andrea see she did a couple of shows as well. So we're super excited. If you have feedback in the book. Let us know will be in every few months we are looking to revise that of course the project is changing and it will be available. Yes, we can definitely add to this book and we'll have like I said, a second edition and we'll add, you know, a lot more stuff to it. And contributions are welcome. I know we're at break time now right under us. Let me just check that is correct. So perfect. We've resynchronized in and I think we're on schedule. Thanks for, thanks for sharing this, oh man Barbara. It was quite a journey to write this. It was a very interesting process just eliciting the knowledge from everyone's head capturing it. I think that some of the framing folks who've started reading it, see it as is. It's a companion guide and the journey from zero to production so if you're not clear where to get started you're still wrapping your head around the concepts, it can help you with that. If you are further along and understand spiffy, but are having a hard problem convincing your peers or convincing your team or finding that business justification, you can find some tools there.  How to tackle different applications, different systems, how to reason about holistically there's there's quite a bit there, as well as how does it fit into the rest of the ecosystem and integrating with with other systems.


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And this is an event that is supported by Ira Shade. So I will ask Rory DeBurke, head of Ira Shade, to make a few comments. But just to say how thrilled the institute is to have Mary here, whom I have known since I accidentally voted for her in the 1990 presidential election. Woo! A long story, I'll tell you some other time. But so we are really delighted to have Mary here. She has spoken in the Institute before, but I think it's very timely to hear from Mary this afternoon. So please welcome Rory DeBurke to make some opening remarks on behalf of Ira Shade. Thank you. Thanks, Barry. I'm glad to know that it was true, that it was going to burst the party. But it's nice to be here and nice to have an invitation to introduce somebody who in many ways needs no introduction. And I was thinking, what do I say? And probably you all know what I should be saying, so I shouldn't say it. But in many ways, Mary is kind of a new islander. There was a fulcrum moment in 1990 when Mary got elected, which in many ways, you could say started the journey to where we are today. It coincided with a football team doing well as well. And it was something about that coincidence of the football team and the light in the window, which for me kind of was the start of a journey to a sort of a more multicultural island. And Mary's presidency opened the doors to that in many ways. And it also, I think, coincided with some of the thinking around our peace process and that sense of us being a plural people rather than a binary people. And that thinking, and Mary in her own work, wove in and out sometimes controversially with handshakes and stuff as part of the discussion about making us challenge our own binaries. And that was very important. And that in many ways is part of our journey to our new island. And she was in New York earlier this week to help us with the launch of our security council bid. And if there's anybody here with any influence on the unilateral, tell your friends to vote Ireland and vote often. But in many ways, Mary's commitment to multilateralism, which maybe isn't New Ireland, but it's very important to our New Ireland in a much more complicated world. Mary, leaving our presidency to become head of a UN organization, I'm bringing that passion for people, that multicultural people that she was part of the journey to bring into Ireland, bringing that passion for others and refugees to the UN and beyond, I think very important. The questions that Mary gave voice to then are questions which are very pregnant in the world we live in today and very much influential on the Europe that we live in and that we have to engage in in a context where our neighbors are maybe finding different answers to the questions which we're all asking and a reminder to ourselves that we have to be open to lots and lots of good answers to difficult questions.  And I think as we all listen to the radio this week and stories of drought, and we think back to a few months ago to the remarkable confinement of a nation indoors for two days because of snow, I think we're beginning in our personal lives to experience the questions around climate justice that Mary brought to us a number of years ago. And we need people of Mary's passion and influence in leadership. If we're going to change very deep rooted habits, traditions, institutions, that in many ways form what are our modern societies. And we need more new islanders like Mary moving forward. If this new island or new Ireland that we're going to live in in the next century is going to remain healthy and relatively cool. And I think we owe Mary and people like Mary a debt of gratitude and it's my great honor to have the privilege of introducing you today and good luck, Mary. Thank you. Thank you very much, Rory. Thank you for those kind words. It's always a pleasure to return to the IIEA because you provide a very valuable forum for discussion on key European and international issues. And I'm very happy to take part in the IIEA Development Matters Lecture Series for 2018. I know you think at times this is a hard part of town to get to, but look at the crowd. People get here because you provide a forum that people really value. We're all conscious of the complexity and breadth of issues facing those working for development cooperation today. From migration and growing pressure on humanitarian aid budgets to the closing of civil society space and threats to human security, development cooperation is a time of challenges and change. It was the focus of our deliberations when I chaired the high-level panel on the reform of the Development Assistance Committee of the DAC, of the OECD, the DAC. The distinguished panel of development experts recognized. And they said it very clearly. And they came from India and China in particular. They said they recognized that the development cooperation landscape has changed beyond recognition since 1961 when the DAC was founded and that we have entered a new era of development cooperation. The traditional lines that distinguished one group of countries from another in what was a donor-recipient relationship have eroded. And the future is one of partnership among equals. Agenda 2030 recognizes that no country has achieved sustainable development and that all countries share the challenge of achieving zero-carbon, climate resilient development. In fact, countries will only be successful in achieving their development goals through cooperation with others. This new era of universality requires development cooperation partners to be more humble and to listen and to learn from other development actors and partner countries. In the report of the high-level panel released last year called A New DAC in a Changing World, Setting a Path for the Future, it suggested that the DAC act as a servant-leader, adopting a more inclusive approach and with a greater emphasis on outreach and dialogue with other development partners in order to increase effectiveness and achieve results. This means that members of the DAC, development cooperation providers, will have to reform their working methods to respond more effectively to the demands and opportunities of a changed development landscape. Around the world, as you know, all countries and countries at all levels of development are getting to grips with implementing the 17 Sustainable Development Goals, the SDGs, and preparing their voluntary national reports for the UN on progress to date and challenges ahead. And as I think again, you know, Ireland will present its first VNR at the UN later this month, which highlights the main elements of the SDG National Implementation Plan, 2018 to 2020, based on the fundamental commitment of the 2030 agenda to leave no one behind and to reach the furthest behind first. We've known for a long time that the environment and climate change are part of development. The natural resources on which development depends in many parts of the world are vulnerable to changes in the climate and to environmental degradation. In many developing countries, the links between human development and environmental health are direct. Dirty water means sickness and disease. Depleted soils mean hunger. Extreme weather events mean loss of livelihoods and of economic opportunity. I saw this firsthand again when I visited Malawi in early June. I went to the village of Caniera where I met Lucretia Fimlimoni, who explained to me that changing weather patterns associated with climate change mean that in recent years, she and her family have struggled to grow enough food to feed her family. In the face of these climate impacts, her community has been working with the support of Irish aid and of Trocora to build irrigation systems, to improve watershed management and to make changes to their crop production techniques to increase their resilience and also the variety of crops that they would plant. The hard work is paying off and as a community, they're coping better with the uncertainties in the weather and the growing season as well as more extreme weather events. There is a difference between being here in Ireland and having this nice hot weather that, by and large, we're enjoying and being in a vulnerable country like Malawi, prone to ever more severe drought and ever more severe flooding in the same country and that's something that it's very hard to get across unless people have been there and I know a number of people in the audience have been there and Trocora is represented and has obviously been working there. The vulnerability of people at the local level and of women in particular to the impacts of climate change is also understood in Malawi by government officials at a meeting in the Longway with government of Malawi officials, UN Women and Civil Society representatives, Tawanga Mambali, Director of Environmental Affairs, made a statement that captured the impact of climate change on sustainable development. She said simply, a woman's past to prosperity is even harder because of climate change. Women play a central role in agriculture in Malawi providing over 70% of the labor force. As Lucretia explained earlier, climate change is impacting all elements of food and nutrition security, compounding the injustice of climate change. Living in the tropics, they suffer greater extremes of weather and temperature than we do in the temperate parts of the world. Ultimately, Lucretia understands and experiences every day the links between her environment, her quality of life and her right to development. Her knowledge of the interlinked nature of the factors that determine her wellbeing is well developed and immensely valuable. Yet the international community has taken longer to understand and act on this understanding and even longer to value the knowledge and the lived experience of women like Lucretia. Around the world, women entrepreneurs are setting up renewable energy projects, seeing the benefits for their communities in terms of access to electricity, job creation, improved health due to reduced indoor air pollution and increased safety due to street lighting, reliable lighting in hospitals and clinics and safer storage of food and medicines. Women are also being trained as solar technicians and community sales representatives and they're trusted in these roles by customers due to the fact that they're known and have standing in their community. Overlooking the role of women in a zero carbon economy would be a big mistake. Embracing their knowledge and skills can only bring benefits. And recent statistics give hope that a new form of green development is starting to gain global traction. A report released at the end of May announced that the green economy is now worth approximately four trillion US dollars, roughly the same as the fossil fuel sector. While the fossil fuel economy is shrinking, the green economy is growing. The main contributors to the green economy, however, are industrialized countries like the United States, Japan, Germany, France, of course China in its own way. But there are green economy players in the global south like Ethiopia and Mongolia. And they're not yet a significant contributor to the global green economy. There are also countries developed and developing that continue to rely on fossil fuels and where the pace of change is slower. The challenge for most developing countries is to lift their citizens out of poverty while reducing their reliance on fossil fuels and embracing climate resilient zero carbon development. As the pace of climate action increases in pursuit of the temperature goal set in the Paris Agreement to keep warming well below two degrees Celsius above pre-industrial levels and to pursue 1.5 degrees Celsius, there will be a need to draw on the lessons learned and experience in the development community to ensure that climate policies and actions deliver for people as well as for the planet. As most of you will know, I came to climate change through human rights. When I was, I could see visibly the impacts it was having on the social and economic rights of people and communities I was working with in African countries. And I was also influenced by the work of Barbara Ward, the founder of the International Institute for Environment and Development, IID, when I served as chair of that board for a number of years. Barbara was well ahead of her time in making the connections between environment and development. In her book, Only One Earth, the Care and Maintenance of a Small Planet, published in 1972, she writes of the need, and I quote, clearly to define what should be done to maintain the earth as a place suitable for human life, not only now, but also for future generations. And these concepts were taken up in the 80s, as you know, by my fellow elder, Gru Bruntland. She chaired the World Commission on Environment and Development, which provided the definition of sustainable development used across the world today. When I came back to Ireland to set up the Mary Robinson Foundation Climate Justice in 2010, I was determined to find fair rights-based solutions to an unjust global problem. And as time progressed and I learned more about the transition we need to make to a zero carbon future, I started to question the impacts that transition might also have on human rights. All this at a time when the relevance of human rights to those in the climate community was still in its infancy. I've learned from climate scientists that to avoid the worst impacts of climate change on humanity and on ecosystems, the global community must strive to reach the 1.5 degree goal set in the Paris Agreement. This is ambitious, it is incredibly challenging, the scale of transformation required surpasses anything humanity has done before. But it can be done, and it has to be done. It will involve doing more of the things we now understand well, like afforestation and renewable energy. And it will mean developing new technologies for negative emissions, something we understand less well in terms of possible physical, socioeconomic and ethical impacts. These are the areas of concern from a human rights perspective. Human rights can help to capture the opportunities presented by a zero carbon world, as well as reducing the risks posed by a rapid transition where climate action is rolled out at scale. That's why my foundation worked so hard with a group of champion countries and civil society organizations to ensure that human rights were part of the climate agreement. We were determined not just to recognize the risks posed to human rights from climate change, but also the threats to human rights from climate action. The resulting reminder to all countries in the preamble of the agreement to respect and consider human rights in all climate action signals an important step forward in integrating a rights-based approach. And the importance of this commitment cannot be overestimated. Attention to human rights and climate action can avoid negative impacts on local communities. It can avoid unforeseen delays, even court cases and conflict. This goes for all sectors, including business and those involved in green growth initiatives. As opportunities arise in this transition to sustainable development, it's imperative that investors and businesses protect human rights in their investments, their operations and their supply. Renewable energy companies need to understand their supply chains and engage in human rights due diligence throughout the life of a project. They also need to work with local communities to increase affordable access to energy and share project benefits. Business and investors should deliver a just transition to a low-carbon economy that respects human rights. But worryingly, figures from the Business and Human Rights Resource Center show that just because climate action is good for the planet doesn't mean that it's always good for people. Since 2015, the center has approached companies 128 times to respond to allegations of human rights abuse associated with renewable energy projects, including land grabs and displacement, violations of the right to free, prior and informed consent of indigenous peoples, harm to individuals, and violence against communities and rights defenders. More than 50% of allegations the resource center has received relate to projects in Central and South America and 28% in Asia. While not questioning the need for a rapid transition, business and investors in the room should take the heed to such cases from a moral standpoint but also from a business standpoint as such cases undermine a license to operate and can cause costly delays. The value of engaging communities in climate action is now recognized in the White Paper, Ireland's transition to a low-carbon energy future, 2015 to 2030. And research and practice from Scotland shows the value of community ownership of renewable energy and the critical importance of engagement processes in ensuring opportunity support for climate action. The national dialogue and climate change provides another important opportunity to get broad stakeholder engagement with climate action in Ireland, to envisage a zero-carbon economy and to capture the benefits of an inclusive and just transition to a climate resilient Ireland. Just yesterday, the Iraqis decided to set up a special joint committee on climate action to take account of the, I think very good recommendations of the citizens assembly. And just last week in a paper published in the journal Nature Climate Change, Tara Schein and I made the case that the risks posed by climate change and temperatures increase above 1.5 and two degrees Celsius to human rights far outweigh the risks posed to human rights from climate action. The things I've been describing like renewable energy installations, tidal barriers or community-based adaptation projects. The risks associated with more than 1.5 degrees Celsius of warming are large, unpredictable and often irreversible. For example, the loss of the coral reefs or the slowing of the Gulf Stream. On the other hand, the risks posed by climate action can be mitigated by attention to human rights, gender equality, ethics and good practice in policymaking. The lessons learned by development practitioners on how to design effective policies that are inclusive, environmentally and socially sound and economically beneficial are critical repositories of knowledge and experience for the transition to a zero carbon climate resilient world. For example, in Ecuador, recognition of the links between the right to participation and environmental rights is a principle of the national climate change strategy. Ecuador's constitution recognizes rights of participation, rights for indigenous peoples and rights for the environment and it explicitly links all three, promoting their mutual integration within government actions and programs. The status obliged to, and I quote, to establish and implement programs with the participation of the community to ensure conservation and sustainable use for biodiversity. In keeping with this commitment, the Sociobusk program aims to conserve four million hectares of forests, reducing deforestation and improving the lives of over a million people. The work to conserve the forest is carried out by people like Mordor Ortiz, a husband, a father and a school teacher who lives in Doreno, a small community of indigenous Eifcofan people in northeastern Ecuador. Mordor and other participants in the program voluntarily decide how much forest to conserve and they sign a pre-hector agreement with the Ministry of Environment. Through these conservation agreements, funds are generated and communities create an investment plan to decide how the funds will be used. The community's whole meetings with full participation by all members so that everyone has a say in deciding where the funds will go. And the funds can only be used in productive ways that benefit the whole community. Through, for example, education, housing, conservation, healthcare, ecotourism, surveillance, and fund-saving projects. As Madardo says, and I quote, in the past we looked after the forest but we've never received any benefit. We're happy to maintain our long tradition of taking care of the forest and pass it along to our children. This program shows the positive impact we can have on the forest and the planet when our work is valued, when our work is valued. Climate change is a reminder of our interconnectedness locally and globally. No country, be it Ireland, Malawi, Ecuador, or the United States can tackle climate change alone. For each country, contributing their fair share can take a different form. Small island states will focus on investing in adaptation to cope with sea level rise and saltwater intrusion as well as decentralized renewable energy. Big emitters will emphasise greenhouse gas emissions reductions in their own economy and are required to provide financial and technical support to assist developing countries to mitigate and adapt to climate change. As our article in Nature Climate Change points out, this support for developing countries is critical for a just pathway to 1.5 degrees Celsius so that less wealthy countries don't get left behind in the transition to a green economy. The focus now is on the implementation of the Paris Agreement and the steps each country is taking to reduce their emissions and increase climate resilience. The Talenoa, our facilitator of dialogue, taking place under the United Nations Framework Convention on Climate Change this year is the first review of progress towards the temperature goals set in Paris. Its outcomes will equip the international community with the information needed to increase the ambition of pre- and post-2020 nationally determined contributions or NDCs, the voluntary actions each country committed to as part of the Paris Agreement. And this is critical as current NDCs have the world on a path to 3 degrees Celsius or more of warming and the certainty of large-scale climate injustice and large-scale suffering. The format of the Talenoa Dialogue is shaped by Fujian tradition and has as its core the purpose of sharing stories, building trust and empathy. And anyone here in the audience who remembers the Hunger and Nutrition Climate Justice Conference which was convened by the Irish government and my foundation here in Dublin in 2013 will be familiar with this format as it mirrors the learning circles approach that we used at that event in which my foundation has used as a mode of convening over the past eight years. The Talenoa tradition echoes the principles of climate justice and has brought a new form of equitable decision-making to the climate convention. The effect is to level the negotiations and to hear all concerns and ideas on an equal footing. And I believe this will be critical in shaping the next phase of climate action worldwide where every country's actions and commitments count towards the collective good. Action at home and action on the international stage will have to go hand in hand as international scrutiny of each country's actions and inactions increases. The Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, IPCC, will release its report, as you know, its special report on the 1.5 degrees temperature goal this October. A draft is currently with governments for review and it's expected to highlight the increased risks associated with 1.5 degrees versus two degrees of warming and obviously, worse again, above two degrees. 2018 should be remembered in the future as the year when the IPCC published a report that made an unequivocal case for 1.5 degrees Celsius and called for a just transition to zero carbon by 2050. A time when countries large and small held a series of dialogues where they listened to each other and learned from each other and where the global consensus was that all countries should scale up their climate action before 2020 with leadership coming from the most polluting countries. A year when an understanding of the co-benefits of climate action and implementing the sustainable development goals informed zero carbon planning and climate resilient development in countries around the world. In my time as president of Ireland and indeed in the roles I've been playing since then, I've always been proud of visiting Ireland's development cooperation programs around the world. Most recently, as I said, in Malawi. They are programs powered by compassion and empathy, driven by committed and talented staff and informed by an understanding of Ireland's role in the interchanging world. The power we have lies in our ability to understand the needs of others and to use our influence to make a difference. That difference must be underpinned by a commitment to the rule of law, respect for the rights of every person, gender equality and social inclusion. These are the values that make us human and also that make us Irish. And it's no surprise to me that the approach is completely aligned with the principles of climate justice. So, since it's warm in this room, let me end with some words of wisdom from Barbara Ward, who helped me to connect my passion for people to a passion for the natural world. She said, and I love these words, she said, we have forgotten how to be good guests, how to walk lightly on the earth, as its other creatures do. Our commitment to protect this small planet must go hand in hand with our commitment to the rights of all people and all people that call this small planet home. Thank you very much indeed. Thank you.


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Hello, Grant. How are you doing? Hey, pretty good. How are you? Well, I'm doing fine and Thanks for having this conversation with me. It's really great to have members of the OpenShift team talking with me and sharing all your opinions and experiences about OpenShift and OpenSource as a whole and I would like to start like asking you like well about you if you can introduce yourself and tell us a little bit about you And you work at OpenShift. Okay. Sure. Yeah, so I've been on the OpenShift team at Red Hat Since probably about day one So roughly four years something like that back before it was even an official project or product before we had anything built it up from scratch And before that I was a Principal software engineer at Red Hat. I'm from the engineering side, IT side of the house Okay, and currently what is your focus inside OpenShift? Yeah, so right now I Like to think of myself as a man with many hats So I'm a developer advocate or evangelist I also manage all of our evangelists and I also Work a lot on marketing believe it or not to developers so technical marketing Okay, great This year it seems that the interactivity around the OpenShift road show was really heavy Do we were having presentations in many cities? Would you like to share some of that? Yeah, so that's kind of interesting. We just had this idea one day on our team mailing list to You know go around two different cities throughout the country and you know Highlight the new OpenShift release that we had which was OpenShift 3 which was a complete re-platform re-architecture of the system and we started with like five or six cities in mind and you know, we put together some justification for going to these Cities and once we said we were going to these you know first six cities or so The demand was absolutely insane people wanting them in their own location So we ended up I think last time I counted was like 30 some cities that we ended up Going to over a three month span. So it was pretty busy Each of the locations we tried to do somewhere fun For instance, I was in I think it was Minneapolis one of the first ones we did the Baseball stadium there and so we had the the road show event Where people could try out OpenShift at the stadium and then we all stayed and watched the game afterwards We've also done them at Tech centers and even bars and breweries before So it's been pretty great, you know each city I think we if we could fit 50 people in we would normally get 150 to 200 people wanting to actually sign up and go Which was just crazy and you know, it was a lot of work because we'd have to add cities on the fly We'd have to add additional dates. I think we're up to our third date in Washington, DC now for example Okay, well, so I'm imagining that perhaps next year we're going to have another road show. Yeah We're talking about it planning now A lot of people have been asking us to continue the trend to to bring these, you know pure tech Focused days to their location. So we're planning on, you know, what content and where we should go early next year So you mentioned OpenShift 3 So and that it was important for the road show to tell people about developers about OpenShift 3 What was it so important about OpenShift 3? What was the change the important change that you had between OpenShift 2 and OpenShift 3? Yeah, so the big deal with OpenShift 3 is OpenShift has been around for many years And a lot of other platform as a service offerings have been as well, but they've all kind of been based on their own implementation of Linux containers whether that's LXC or you know with OpenShift we Created our own Linux container based on SeLinux Linux control groups and PAM namespaces for poly and statiated directories But what we had seen over the last couple of years is this trend towards standardized container formats and the OpenShift team and Red Hat Realized several years ago that perhaps Docker was going to be the next big thing and so we bet very early on on Docker Quite honestly before a lot of people I even heard about it We recognized that it was going to be a great technology for developers and for running Platforms at scale and so what we decided to do was kind of step back a little bit and just take a break From the current platform as a service trends and really think about what we need to do To go beyond platform as a service and to create the next thing in IT That's really going to be beneficial that evolved out of platform as a service And so we changed our entire development model on OpenShift 3 and that initially I would say for the first year year and a half And we weren't very public about this we did most of our work in the Docker ecosystem itself and Contributed just tons of code up to that upstream repository to get it to a state to where we felt comfortable as a Product and as a company to be able to support production workloads running on Docker containers And I believe at the end of the day Because of all that work we ended up and still are the the number two Contributor to Docker and so we took this Docker container format And we wanted to make it relatively available to developers to use the doctors pretty easy to use as a Developer on your local machine, but where things get pretty complicated is when you want to run your applications or your containers as scale and I'm not talking about massive scale Even though that's part of the benefits of the OpenShift platform But even just running two or three containers load balance with HAProxy or whatever the case may be that gets pretty complicated pretty quickly for developers and so once we had Implemented the the Docker stuff inside of the next version of OpenShift. We then realized that to have Production class applications. It's more than just the container image format and so we identified another project at that time called Kubernetes which quite honestly no one had heard about when when we got invested in that and we worked heavily on the Kubernetes project with Google and We're also the number two contributor to that project And so those two things are important both Docker and Kubernetes because it's it's good to know that as a team OpenShift and as a company we Bet on those technologies way in advance. We're talking years ago to make them viable and so the reason we needed Kubernetes if you're not familiar with it is to do orchestration and scheduling of your containers and so what happens is your Docker container Actually runs in this concept called a Kubernetes pod and they can easily scale those pods up create replicas of them And let the underlying platform decide which server that you're going to deploy that new pod or new container on and then orchestrate and all of the services load balance Whatever the case may be across all of your pods whether they reside on, you know, 510 or a thousand different servers And so once we got Docker and Kubernetes working, I know this is a very long answer But we realized that Kubernetes and Docker are great But they're not very accessible for the average developer So think about you know your non startup non hipster developer That's kind of behind the bleeding edge curve They want technologies to be trusted just a little bit more before they start working on them We realized that the tool sets provided Like I said, we just wasn't very accessible to developers They had to learn a lot of new Technologies and so what we added on top of Docker and Kubernetes is this workflow for both developers and systems administrators to be able to take advantage of containers and running containers task scale and production or in any environment honestly and Let developers work that they let developers work how they work today whether that's inside of their IDE Or on the command line or via a web browser To let them just focus on their code and not have to worry about the sysadmin aspects of it And then to let sysadmin's allow developers to self-service Creating these containers and these pods I'm with with restrictions obviously and so, you know, that's why OpenShift 3 is it's a complete rewrite a re architecture Replatform every single line of code is different We didn't really maintain anything other than core concepts that we wanted to to come over into the new system Well, actually It was quite detailed and I think the viewers are going to appreciate that your point of view on that and but now You talk all about that about OpenShift 3 and even before the entire road showed was over OpenShift 3.1 was already announced It seems that you basically have to keep adapting to everything that is there and that the entire pipeline is really fast It's changing. So what what can we expect to have with OpenShift 3.1? Yeah, so OpenShift 3.1 just furthers shows our commitment to the platform and the keeping Working on it to move it forward to provide great features that people want Some of my favorite features in OpenShift 3.1 as a developer because that's my background. That's my history That's what I do is the ability to Do just some great things inside of the web console itself So you can look at aggregated logs across all of your containers and have them streamed in the web console Via web socket connection. It's very cool So you don't have to like fire up your command line and log into pods and tell files and all that stuff You just with a single click from the pod you can look at the log files. We also have this topology visualization tool, right and so if you have an Application deployed on the OpenShift platform and let's say that application consists of you know five front-end Containers that surf scene your you know your web UI whether that's JavaScript, Node.js or whatever the case may be and then that talks to a set of microservices or Some back-end services that's deployed across three different containers and then all that's talking to a replicated Mongo database across five containers and it's all front-end with the HA proxy load balancer Well that you know when you start talking about real applications like this it gets very complicated and To understand all of the touchpoints and integrations between these two containers And so we developed this tool that'll you know You just click a button inside the web UI and it draws this map of your application and shows all of the pods and how the Communication happens between how the traffic flows Out through the external route down into the database and so that allows you to quickly You know visualize the topology of your application another one of my favorite features is the available the ability to open up a Shell or command line tool into a specific container right from inside of the web browser And so you don't have to and this is I Actually started using Windows 10 not long ago and Windows 10 was was kind of a pain for me to get set up as a You know Linux guy because I live and breathe by the command line And so, you know, I hate the command comm or cmd.exe or whatever it's called the default shell that ships with Windows because then you got install open ssh And you got it, you know generate keys and the terminal just sucks right and so What this allows to be able to open up a terminal inside of the web browser is just with a single click of the button as a Windows user I can completely ignore All of the stuff that I need to do whether that's installing putty or whatever the case may be to open up a exec Bash shell on the remote containers. I just click the button within, you know, half a second. I'm dropped to a shell Well, yeah, that's that's awesome So one last question for you and this one is quite open is what is like the future for OpenShift? What are your parting thoughts and what do you think like people should get like out of this conversation that we just had? Yeah, so I believe the future of OpenShift we're going to be focusing More on the developer experience and the user interface designs whether that's inside of the IDE or In the web UI or even great console tools or REST APIs To really continue down the path of making a container application platform like OpenShift is Accessible to as many developers as possible so they can have the benefits of running these new technologies without changing how they work On a day-to-day basis Okay well, thank you very much Grant for all your time and your questions and I do hope to have you here like Soon we're going to talk with other members of the team and and any time that you want to share your opinion about OpenShift OpenSource Red Hat as a whole or just software development. You're welcome. Okay. Cool. Thanks Diego appreciate it Thank you. Bye


Hello, and thank you for tuning in to town meeting TV today My name is Bobby Lucia, and I'm coming to you from the Lakeview Cemetery in Burlington to learn about traveling for history Which is a YouTube channel that started during the pandemic that explores some of Vermont's historic sites and shares stories about Vermonters Vermonters past so To learn a little bit more about that project. I'm joined by the creator of traveling for history Patricia Arrojo. Thank you so much for joining us. Thank you so much for asking. Yeah, of course This is fantastic. So excited to chat with you about the work that you've been doing. So Maybe let's just start with what got you into history before the the channel started I know it's only been a few years, but you've been I'm sure interested in history for a long time What what sparked your interest in history? my mother was always talking about Egypt when I was growing up and Which actually sparked my interest in ancient history. I have a degree in ancient history and from UVM so So and because Ancient history isn't necessarily an entire topic at UVM. I was I was I also learned a lot from other types of history. So So, uh, so I found history fascinating, you know, thinking about families My family for instance some most of my mother's Brothers served during world war two so War history is fascinating to me and I just find it's kind of unfortunate the way history is taught In school as if people are going to the gallows and missing the humor But in spite of that I still love history and I've had some awesome teachers along the way so So why not Did you grow up in Vermont? I've lived here 46 years So I've lived most of my life here, but no I've lived in New Jersey, Pennsylvania, Massachusetts in here And so your channel is called traveling for history. Yes It's there's a lot of Vermont content. I don't have you ever been outside of Vermont for one of your videos Um, well, I visited Bodie, California, and I do have some Bodie videos on my channel They're a series of photographs really because I didn't have a channel back then and I have also Again photographs as a video of Athens, Greece because it again wasn't filming back then so So yes, I have other things but it's primarily Vermont. Yeah So you started the channel. What was it three years ago? Can you tell us about why you started traveling for history and what it kind of started out as? I've been thinking about it for a while because I think there are plenty of stories people should know And why not share them? So I finally decided to start it in 2021. So February 2021 I found on youtube that this name did not exist Channel name did not exist So I decided to go with that one and the traveling is there's a lot of driving involved Wow, that is a traveling portion So it was so I filmed a bunch of videos here in Lakeview I visited Lakeview for a lot of years. Family is buried here friends are buried here. So I determined that they were all garbage and deleted them all so I know right so I conducted some research and my very first video was the gazebo over there. So Yeah, it's a beautiful place You know add around x style I think would so it's beautiful gazebo so So why not share these stories? So So yeah, and I'm most familiar with Vermont since I live here Yeah, and especially this area because I lived in Burlington for decades And so your videos it seems like you're posting a video almost every day every day you every day. Yeah Today I have as of today is the filming of this video 911 videos on my channel. I know that is as much work as that sounds like Yeah, was it a coped? Did it was it born out of the pandemic your project? No, but I wish I was filming I had been filming and during that time period with fewer people out and about I typically on cemeteries cemeteries are busier than most people probably think Cars coming in and out even in these remote they're remote to me anyway But there's no such thing as the middle of nowhere really someone knows where I am When I film it and I'll say I don't know where I am because when I'm driving I don't know where I am unless I'm at my site. So I've had a lot of people say you were in yada yada So how yay, thank you for that But It's nice to film on days when people aren't necessarily nearby So I don't have to keep putting my camera down or pausing it Because people are walking by Yeah and Your videos a lot of them have a few dozen views, but then a couple of them have A ton of views one of them has over 12,000 views It's a shot just shy 12,500. Okay. Yeah, and so I mean maybe do you want to talk a little bit about that video and why you think that video You know came got some traction and and Whether that impacts your approach to other videos. Are you hoping to Connect with as many people as you can or are you just making the videos that you want to make? both The video that we're talking about is was he buried alive and actually quite frankly was he buried alive It's really the one way I like to say that So he was a Dr. Timothy Clark is buried in evergreen cemetery in new haven, vermont and He was terrified of being buried alive. He was a doctor in the 18 What did you die 1850s? so his his Burial plot is pretty fascinating there's a there's a mound and On top of the mound is a what's called a capstone. So it's this big by granite with a with a pyramid sort of piece on top and underneath that is a set of stairs that leads down to his grave He had a a bell attached around his finger. So he could ring. I'm alive But he was dead.  They apparently kept him for a week outside of the tomb. So he was Dead and then they buried him. But the so the window I've had a lot of people say oh, I can see his face The uh What I read is that the the window has um Has had condensation on it the seal has given So see you ready. The one cannot actually see that but people see what they see Who am I to say? So um, yeah Um pretty uh pretty wild. You know that video who's pretty taken off That was my october 30th video in in 2021. So for halloween week. I like to have spookier stuff Because I love halloween. It's my favorite holiday. So um So yeah those and and the first time in 2021. I had a zillion cemetery videos because of garrs. What is it? It's october A friend of mine did say, you know, you have a lot of cemetery videos. Yes. Yes, I know What do you like so much about cemeteries? Well, they're quiet places But again, there are more there are more people around than you might think but um So many fascinating people are buried in these places You know here at lake view. There are several metal honor recipients. You'd be surprised. They're all of the american civil war era You know, some of these men should have video should have movies made of them But the thing is if someone wrote a script like that, they'd be laughed out of the producer's office, but this is real stuff So, you know, it's it's astonishing. I couldn't find one grave. So I just aimed my camera in the direction of it. Um, but You know general. Oh Howard is buried here and um, think Howard University because he was the one who founded it I know, right? So definitely people Living people should know about these dead people 100% Yeah Have you you mentioned making sort of spookier content on halloween? Do you as you spend a lot of time in cemeteries? Do you ever come in contact with Spirits of the people that you're talking about or or um, how do you think about that as you're walking through a cemetery? Well, I've had uh I Filmed a video of of an experience. I had had now I didn't film the experience I wish I had presence of mind for that, but no So here at lake view and I think lake view is considered haunted to some degree But I was parked on a winter's day. There was snow on the ground and um Sitting in the car, you know, the wind was blowing coming off the lake and all that stuff the um, and I noticed that the snow had Was holding in the air that does not I mean, I've lived here a long time. I've never seen that before and it's it appeared that that um That there were two people walking side by side with I mean the snow was like on them, you know on the on the shape I've never seen that it would move for a little bit and then all of a sudden the snow was gone I I actually have chills on that one, but uh I didn't know what to tell you That was my experience And then at evergreen cemetery in New Haven where dr. Clark is buried Um, the whole vibe there is just creepy Um Well, it's it's so odd, you know, and um most cemeteries there are driving paths even if they're grass, you know and they do have essentially U shaped single lane Thing but there's usually places to pull off for a car. No the headstones are right up against the paths the path and There is no pulling off So you are right behind someone which happened to me when I was filming there a car pulled up behind me And they were doing the same thing they come to see this grave of dr. Clark. So um So that was uh interesting um Are there any So we're in lake view you mentioned a couple of folks that are buried here Um, I know you've done a lot of you've mentioned that you started doing videos and then you uh, you know Started over and have done a lot more videos in lake view. Um, what are who are a couple other folks that are buried here that you Um, that you like to share the story of Well, I did um A video on uh seadora pack uh, so Her father's uh, seador pack was um one of those men who received a medal of honor uh So the thing was interesting about seadora Is How she sort of attached herself to him for I don't know Fame of some sort She would accompany him to um all the military engagements where he would share his story And after he died she actually changed her first name to theadora And uh would continue to talk about him in these things But she was a poetess and an author on her own in her own right. You can read some of her stuff online um, it's very much in the It written in that language of the early 20th century. So um But yeah, it was uh, I think she's very interesting. She has no headstone No headstone at all. No marker at all her her parents And her her brother who died when he was very young All pretty deceased her and it's interesting an article came out recently About why there would be no death date numbers on a headstone And that would likely be because everyone else died and there was no one left to think about putting a death date an end date And it stands to reason since her family's was all all pretty deceased her that there was no one left to give her a headstone So sad really for a woman who seemed to crave his attention and and all that and and for those of you who are local Theodore peck actually was the one who started peck insurance too. So he had a um An illustrious career after the after the civil war Patricia what I find so amazing about your channel and your videos you're able to find these stories But then you're also a really fantastic storyteller. Thank you.  I'm sharing that that's a I think that's a big deal to care about these these folks particularly the people but I also film buildings and I find them very interesting as well when I think about the the things that happened It's like taverns for instance. Um, they're not just Drinking holes, you know, they were they serve food. They had rooms that people could stay in This I mean thinking about the stories that the people told there They're also a place where people would gather to get the news. It's not like they had Google it's not like they even maybe had newspapers. So, um You know thinking about all the history of those places. It's pretty fascinating to me And when I think about the people buried Um Everyone has a story to tell you know, I've been working on a series of these Americans of the war soldiers right now in one cemetery down in east middlebury, but I found some information about about them including some obituaries and It's and even sometimes as a photograph a photograph of people who've been dead for you know 100 or more years So putting a face to a name it just blows me away And you know some of those obituaries there was one there was one man who had survived the civil war and then He died years later. He was cutting cordwood With a friend. Thankfully he was with someone. He was standing on trees that were That had fallen over these whole trees and they were sort of I guess like this um resting on one another so definitely Probably dangerous. Definitely dangerous at stand-up because when he was sawing something He lost his balance and fell backwards He hit his neck in such a way that he was completely paralyzed And nine hours later he was dead By doing something that's was just sort of every day in commonplace Yeah, so I think people should know these stories. Yeah, absolutely I have to ask where you mentioned obituaries. Where else do you look for these stories? Well, that was actually from a website that unfortunately has been down for weeks now the uh the um They're having an issue with their database So that whoever manages that has been trying to get it back up and they have some things back up But the soldiers themselves all the stuff I would use Um, totally not available. So I only have the uh the men from that cemetery But I still have about 20 to find that one place place has oodles of of these civil war men buried there but uh, so I find uh You know when I've talked about buildings, I'm often often using wikipedia. I know I'm sorry But it's it's not as garbage of sight as it once was and I do check the citations to make sure they actually go someplace Um, and when they don't or it is questionable. I don't I don't use the material. Why why would I um, nobody wants Garbage to watch. Well, actually some garbage is good, but you know but But you know this past Saturday as of the date of this video. I was in south hero Vermont and well in grand isle so grand isle county I was up in and for the Of the eight videos I filmed that day six were interior Places I got to be inside on a rainy. Yeah rainy day, too But inside filming in these um in these places, which I hardly ever get to film inside I mean just hardly ever I can think of Two two places where I filmed inside and one was really cool. It was the Whiting community church. I'd filmed the church. It's on the state register of the starting places and um So I talked about the history of the place and all that And um, I got On facebook a a uh the pastor reached out. I said if you want history, I'll give you history So I said does that mean we get to go inside? Yes Yes, we did. It was a beautiful church The information I had said it was it was it was um Just one story But that wasn't true. There was a second story where the church actually was So that was mind-blowing too. So um, I got to see all sorts of stuff I got to film all sorts of stuff. He answered all sorts of questions He was a lot of fun and um, I love when there's chemistry With the person, you know, I got to film. Oh, I guess that's the third place. I got to film inside the brick school museum, which is a jarge it the building had been a district school and The president of the historical society was was there that day. We had arranged this And she gave me an impromptu tour of this historical society museum.  She was excited. I was excited History nerd, perhaps I I may be a history nerd but um, So so it was really fun the So I was able to film the historical society museum and actually a couple people came over From across the street for another place and and uh, they were enthusiastic talking about all these great things Um, it was a lot of fun. That video has not gone live yet, but two of the places I filmed up there have so Yeah, it's I love connecting with those folks can't recommend historical society museums enough They're often inexpensive or free Because I love free Well, I'm gonna fix income. It's not fixed all that high. So free is a beautiful thing So and and when it was filming in grandile, you know, I had filmed the exterior of the building It's on the national register the hide log cabin Which the same family owned from 1783 into the mid 1940s So some member of the family it just it's stunning to me this this so walking in that building Because it's open seasonally So walking into that building. I felt like I was walking on the Floorboards of history. Yeah, it's it's um, that was It was amazing. Yeah, it's incredible to hear that you're able to connect with People and share your love for history because that sounds really special. I also I know you have over 500 subscribers on your channel and folks that are regularly Interacting with um, what you're posting all the time. How do you do you ever? Do you meet the folks that are following your channel? Do you know who they are? You know, what kind of comments do you typically get on your on your videos? I have 528 right now and The only time I know who has subscribed to my channel is if they have a public channel And it's surprising how many people have public channels and I don't think they realize that Because they have no videos up. I have a friend for instance who subscribed to my channel And she has a public channel which I told her because she has no videos She I can't mention she would ever end videos. So And she didn't know did not know so That's the only time I know who has subscribed unless of course they also comment and But is it often friends and family or do you you typically don't know the folks that are following here? No, almost zero idea I will know on facebook And those not necessarily friends A lot of friends have subscribed to my channel and whatnot, but I've never asked my friends to do that I figured they would join if they if they wanted to Yeah, and thankfully a lot of my friends have yay. Thank you friends And what kind of comments and feedback do you get about your videos? Well, it's kind of interesting to be a mixed bag on facebook. I belong to a variety of groups. So When I'm talking about a building that's about to be demolished for instance the The one in bellows falls was my first And that was slated to be demolished in october when I filmed it, but it actually was demolished in in december of that Yeah, they love me So when I was there filming it, you know, I was talking about Perhaps it could be saved And the comments of facebook overall in this one group was uh, are you going to do that? I do you have the money to do that? No, of course. I don't have the money to do that grants, you know Groups, you know, this was the first method this church in bellows falls. It was the oldest It wasn't used as a church anymore It was the the locals knew it as the y the ymca because it was the y for 45 years But but it was the first method this church in quite frankly was the oldest church It would have been celebrating its 200th anniversary or 250th anniversary and and they tore it down one one member of the What's the village so Sort of like a select man And he wanted to torn down and that was it the building was gone. Um, so they have a bigger parking lot Yeah, I know bigger farmers market Farmers markets are great, but it's just such a shame that they lost the building But it was in horrible shape, you know, the the roof line was like that You know smiley face on a roof line is a bad idea Yeah I know we're about to wrap up in terms of time here One question, you know, I I it's amazing the stories that you're able to pull out from From so long ago, what makes a good story for you? What are you looking for when you're looking for thing? You know what? Yeah, what what makes a good story for you? Well, I like the human angle so So for instance, I got a lot of comments positive comments on facebook about So when I film the exterior of the Hyde log cabin, for instance, I was talking about the fireplace and I qualified that telling them. Well, you know, let's be clear. This is not a Victorian fireplace. It's you know Built in 1783. So this is a working fireplace They would have had likely a spit for the animal that they would have Killed, you know a swing arm for the pots so you could determine how how much heat you wanted or not It likely had a spider. I hate that name for this thing But it's a frying pan that has a tripod of legs three legs on the bottom And so you put embers underneath for a lighter, you know, the the light feature The low heat version Very utilitarian Fascinating stuff things that people used the things the fact that women certainly women would be doing the cooking And because of sparks if you're wearing a linen dress because they would grow linen They grow flax, excuse me They don't grow flax and then they would create linen out of it But if you wear linen near a fire, there will be embers and it will it can catch fire So they would wear woolen garments. So woolen skirts When cooking because it's a natural fire retardant wool It's a spark on wool and it will have a bit of a light and then it goes out So much safer but imagine using that on a typical Vermont summer day, you know hot human horrible the three h's of summer and I mean, whoa so So thinking about the people who've been working on that kind of thing and it turns out I was right the It didn't have a spit. It's actually kind of a narrow opening compared to others I've seen And head no and often though to those those Those kinds of fireplaces would have had a a place to bake bread on the side on one of the side walls so Very utilitarian and dangerous You know, we're so fortunate now we just turn a turn a knob and poof we have heat on the stove painting sounds like you're you're Good at really painting the picture of the human experience from thank you time With a couple minutes left here. Is there anything that you wanted to share about traveling for history that you haven't yet mentioned? You know if anyone wants to talk about anything, you know reach out I have an email address traveling for history at gmail.com. I'm not hip enough for a number So the word for it's written out and it's one element traveling but Um, you know, it's fun. I was filming in a town not going to tell you where because I'm working on this um and And saw something that that sparked a huge interest I wish I could tell you more about this, but really I'm keeping under wraps but because of a One thing I saw I've been researching the three men involved. I I have finally come to the end of what I could find about them so um And talking to town clerks and a bunch of different towns. It's amazing. They know everyone and everything I swear Um, and are very helpful So two more pieces and I can I can share this video about people and um sad Sad terrible story. So, um We'll have to stay tuned for that. You'll have to stay tuned for that. Yes. Absolutely. But uh, yeah Thank you so much for having me today. Yeah, Patricia Rojo. Thank you so much for joining us and talking about traveling for history And um your the channel is just called traveling for history on youtube, right? Yes, it's traveling for history on all my social media except for twitter x or they call themselves now It's traveling for high one there. But um, but everywhere else is traveling for history. So i'm on tiktok and Facebook and instagram. So you can find me all over the place. You can follow me wherever you like. It's free to follow um So it's all good. Awesome. Thank you so much patricia Thank you all for tuning in to town meeting pv today My name is bobby lucia and you can find this program and others on our website cctv.org or on our town meeting tv youtube channel Thanks so much. Have a good day