Very good. So welcome everyone today, we'd like to Welcome you to participate in a panel. It's not just us talking to you We'd like to hear from you. We'd like to have you participate in a panel which is talking about the experiences of carry service providers in Working with OpenStack first experiences second experiences lessons learned and then we'll head into What are the types of things we want to see from OpenStack and what are the types of things we want to do with OpenStack And sort of explore the futures as we move through. We have 40 minutes. So we'll keep it pretty brief Do feel free if you want to extend a question or if you want to challenge and answer To jump up and do so So my name is Christopher Price. I work at Ericsson. I'm a board member for OpenStack and OPNFV and I will be Trying to give these guys a hard time during the day I'll let them introduce themselves now starting with with Adam Hi, Adam Dunstan. I manage Estonian and NFV engineering. So Kind of rare. I'm a development manager, not a labs architecture. You kind of guy Norange and Avila have a fellow at Verizon network planning and I'm in the network team that designs the architecture for Our cloud platform and evolution planning for the Verizon wireless network My name is Greg Stigler. I'm from AT&T For the last three years. I've been charge of our cloud our OpenStack cloud AT&T integrated cloud In the last few months. I've picked up additional responsibility for our domain 2.0 virtual network function platform Where I have integrated testing and I also have integrated design for the entire platform Very good. Thanks gents So just to briefly introduce the topics we get forwards We talk about telcos as being special and then we tell them they're not special and and it's kind of confusing to understand What is the telecommunications requirement? Why is it a challenge and how does it differ from someone else trying to run a data center? I think If you take it from a telecommunications perspective, they have a lot of infrastructure They have a lot of new capabilities they need to bring in and old physical infrastructure and capabilities They need to replace They have supported by networking challenges Which then need to fit into an open stack based cloud architecture On top of that they have existing operation systems. They have new operation systems And all this has to fit together in some way to deploy the services that we as consumers of these Services rely on and enjoy using So from the perspective of trying to fit OpenStack into what is already a very complicated architecture and and well physical And services architecture I'd like to sort of get into The questions around OpenStack So the first question I guess to the panelists Is When did you start working with OpenStack? When did you take it into production? What were the challenges and the main hurdles that you had to overcome? As you took those first steps and first brave steps to bring things things live with OpenStack Taking volunteers Well, I can get started So we had a small group in Verizon We started looking at OpenStack back in 2013 time frame It was around the Havana release that was the first one of the first releases We started looking at and we had a very specific objective in mind We had a specific use case around packet code We were looking to virtualize And we're looking at what are the deficiencies In the current feature set and what do we need to do to get get it deployed and one of the first things we Stumbles we ran into was around IPv6 Because we wanted to build a cloud that not only supports Never Calamants that you know that run on IPv6 We wanted to build infrastructure itself on IPv6 That was the one of the first feature That we wanted to get implemented in OpenStack And we honestly were quite pleased, you know, it was one of the first Good things that came out of OpenStack We got IPv6 and we have our Verizon cloud platform deployed on IPv6 today Yeah, yeah, yeah Cool Many many moons ago We were a founding partner, I think on the foundation Well, so we got started back with Diablo And uh, we we talked the other day at uh at at our prep session about I didn't know what was before Diablo And I think we figured that out. What was the sea cactus cactus? Yes, we didn't I didn't know that so But but there were people before my time that were doing Diablo because that was greater than three years ago So they they learned a lot from those early implementations that we were able to take into our later implementations today Uh, we're running anywhere from kilo, uh to mataka Yes, so we we I've only been with the company nine months And in fact, I've only been at I only have nine months of experience as a carrier Up until nine months ago. I was a vendor so 20 years so I'm kind of a different guy here But our journey at century link to virtualization started quite a long time before me We actually have a big complex of vmware Running virtualization as well as a number of complexes running Quite a number of complexes running running open stack and We're on our third kind of major release with a lot of minor releases in between that that we're rolling out kind of right now So that complex that We that we the first kind of major open stack system we put into production was uh, you know was last year, but We started this journey in 2011 I can looking over at someone who's trying to nod 11. We started the journey in 2011. Yeah, my rena crowds here, so All right, so following on from that and then Nine months in have you had to upgrade any sites? Sure And tell us about it. Look, I mean the I mean the You know, we talk a lot about turning things upside down As you talked about carriers and complexity, you know, we kind of reveling complexity Everything is so complex. We start these programs and we try to carry all these features into these programs We ask all these different people to get all this consensus around building this thing If you actually get enough consensus to get a program started by the time you've got it started It is so big and complicated That you know, you're likely to getting this thing into production is really really hard what I've what I've learned is You know, there's a lot about there's a lot more challenge in process than there is in engineering inside inside large scale carriers So experience in upgrading little things are easy. You know, little things are easy Our tooling isn't where we want it to be. You know, we want it to be really automated Um As we go through our into our next release, we're really simplifying our open stack complex I mean, we are taking it is bare bones as to what's in this thing And the purpose behind that is really to make it easy for us To go and get this into production and it's not just the engineering and building design and automation and tools It's how we get it through the whole complex of people. How do we improve the processes so our people can You know, take this into production that scale rapidly How do we march it all the way through such that we can easily integrate it with all of our parts and at the core of it's You know kind of simplicity.  We're going to go to newton And we're jumping a bunch of releases about a whole different set of packages inside the thing We're actually stripping a ton of stuff out. And so it's not going to be easy I'm looking at the guy in the room who does this and it's not going to be easy yet. But you know, I think Tooling's the answer to this very good Greg From Diablo onwards, I guess you've had similar challenges. Yes, then and I'll play off of deployment and production too because It it was absolutely one of the most challenging things we had so um, I know the slide before mentioned the mega data center or something close to that But we're deploying mini clouds and in central offices that are close to our customers for latency reasons I think we're all That's nothing unique So that to be able to deploy that many clouds that quick The mechanisms weren't there. So we had to work very hard to develop those and Had worked back with the community on those the interesting thing is containers is taking over at a time When the mechanization we did before is really going to become outdated and we're going to move to the container containerized control plane as well. So Pretty interesting very cool. Yeah, the models, you're not quite different, right? I mean if you're doing a compute kind of thingy You sort of a bunch of controllers and maybe have a handful of these things spread across the place But we do an nfv and we have a we have a different seems to different things. We're not doing a unified cloud We have a compute and service cloud for the kind of normal computer-oriented stuff And then we have our cloud that we work on our bit that we work on is an nfv system. It's designed to run vnfster forward packets and it's optimized around packet processing performance And so it's a different puzzle and in the same way there's a controller and every at every every rack of stuff or every location It's a controller and there's a controller and it's a single entity running. So The tooling that we have to put together means that as we go and roll out sites We're not just adding compute nodes everywhere we go. We're building systems every time we do it And so I'm sure you've had to do tooling and we have had to do it too because that's not the the deployment mode That's more common in a generalized compute storage and networking mode when we're very network heavy Yeah, absolutely. I think the only difference from what we're doing Is we want unified code for the cloud So we made deploy different amazon would call them instance types You know for for compute power where there's gpu or memory intensive or cpu intensive So we really see the advantage being to have single set of orchestration single set of apis That manage both of those platforms and the only difference is the flavor series which toby ford To know it was it was our open stack foundation member and he coined that name. I don't know if it's taken off or not I kind of like instance types myself, but Yeah, we were very similar in a sense that the difference is that We have a common hardware, right? So so we're all trying to get to the same place We're probably following a different go path than you because they're all go paths in this stuff, right? So so so we have common hardware and we have common we have common hardware control across the complexes And so we're building common hardware. So someone who wants to run something that you know is We traditionally run an appliance for we don't have to do all the extra work If we just want to control hardware, you know, there's a lot of aspects to doing this So let me step back a little bit So one of the aspects of this is just common procurement, right?  There's all these different ways that you build up a business plan to actually do this kind of stuff But if you go and say, hey, I want to run some Particular very fixed function thing that used to run in an appliance and you got to run all these steps through open stack And it's never we're never going to run too many of them up and down They're never going to go up and down. They're never really going to scale We bind them plug them in we go well, we can get to that later But let's build a hardware structure. So we have a common hardware structure. So our our Our kind of management sales the guys will talk about we have one big cloud and we kind of do it's all in the same hardware But it has instances inside and they're not necessarily as uniform in our effort to try and You know build the right thing for the right job And I think that a cloud a common cloud can be built And I think we could do it. I think it's just a whole lot more work So it down our path towards simplicity And getting velocity we've said Let's build an NFV one and head down that path from a velocity perspective just one short comment for sure This strategy has not been an easy one. Yeah, because culturally it's difficult for different departments to get That's true, too It might that would make it even harder merge of network and it so Culturally to get them to think along the same lines of the same set of code But different instance types has not been an easy thing I think we're we're reaching a level of understanding across the I'm glad I haven't had to try and fight that battle. Yeah, I've had skirmishers with those guys already But I haven't had to go that far. I haven't I haven't Yeah, they've a very different view of what we should do, right So what to get to point about upgrade? I think upgrade is largely an unsolved problem You know, we have like Greg said we got many clouds. We have kilos Instances we have newton instances and kind of figured how we get from kilo to newton It's complicated with the fact that the infrastructure itself needs to be taken offline to be upgraded And the applications to run on this infrastructure there for the most part not cloud native applications today These are network functions. I mean we were running up, you know, these network appliances effectively appliances purpose built hardware And largely what we have today is, you know, vendor supported the software to run within virtual form factors But still it's the same software it comes with this, you know, it doesn't support elasticity You can't take it offline state is tightly coupled So taking sites offline doing upgrade that's that's a challenge And I think there's a combination of factors that need to you know, that will help us One is to Greg's point open stack is becoming containerized so you can leverage these new technologies To help but on, you know, us rolling updates with open stack and applications started moved to become decomposed to the microservices Decoupled state so the applications themselves become more cloud native I think that's the evolution that needs to happen for this to be truly seamless So on that topic then looking looking forwards We'll have purchasing practices we we strive for common hardware. It's not always possible, especially as approach an edge We talk about the need to be able to manage applications as we go through upgrades on sites And even hitless upgrade is is one of those telco things that we have always kind of had There are different ways to skin the cat in a virtual world How do you see this as we move forwards? Are you able to take advantage of Mobility which which technologies you find for application mobility would be the most useful in the context of how you're building your Clouds and and how that runs out infrastructure as a service layer Well, live migration is not the right answer. Let me start off with that I think application mobility really means Applications need to be able to tolerate failures You must assume that things will fail because they are going to fail So you must be able to take, you know duplicate state Locally, you know, gerund and fashion and you know, when you look at state You have to kind of look at one size fits all you have to apply the cap here You know, what are we talking about? What application is this? What state is this and what kind of consistency and availability do we need? So decoupled application, you know to into call processing functions state management functions And a unified front end and be able to you know leverage that I think that's part of getting to the cloud native You know to the entire get of being cloud native This is a great topic to what we just talked about before the difference between the cloud guys and the network guys, right? So it's a it's a great topic and this comes up when we talk about this type of conversation So so one of the one of the things that we certainly have in our network and I assume it's in other places as well Is there's been a proliferation of bgp, right? So bgp is everywhere And so so we we're engaged in an upgrade right now and we've got the sites all over the place And so, you know, you can imagine that there's one in Arlington and another one in in balsamore, right? And and from an upgrade perspective if we need to upgrade that complex All we need to do is figure out how to move the VMs between those two places, right? Because in reality, they don't really have to be in the same place now They're different complexes and they're managed by different controls. They don't be in the same place But for us in most of the use cases because they're networking use cases hooked up to our bgp infrastructure You can seamlessly move this over by just figuring out where to put it next So the way we did this is of course the solvers incomplete in the, you know, open stacks Layout is not going to help us with this problem. So we write a solver to go and do this And if you add a basic layout system to versions plus latency You can go and say hey, can I pick up that firewall and move it up the street to Arlington Put into the bgp topology You know fail the other guy it'll reroute everything's hunky-dory and then go and reinstall my problem So I think we think about this problem of as networking guys a little bit more than perhaps Bit more than perhaps our it our it and and And cloud partners do Because I think we you know, we think maybe we do maybe we don't we have a better understanding of the network and our ability to use capabilities in the network So I don't think it's solely a how do I make open stack do this? I think there are other ways to get this done and we've got to be a bit scrappy to make it work Because at the end of the day You can't get used to work if you don't scrap you about it We need help from the vnf vendors first and foremost I mean most of the vnf's that are being delivered to our table today are not cloud native Yeah, that's got to change and and we've updated our vnf guidelines They're out on our website. So go grab them, but We we've got to have vnf's that are actually microservices that we can scale Um, that's where the industry is that's where the web scale industry went And the network service industry is behind that. So we need Help in writing these things the right way I would also say we could do a better job with open stack internally when it comes to microservices and containers as well Yeah, amen to that. I agree. I think Network functions are largely direct ported, you know applications today And we're going to need you know need to break it up into microservices decompose them separate state from transaction processing and that's key to Elasticity to getting rolling updates going and so you know feature velocity, etc Very good. So before before we sort of pivot. I wanted to move to futures Or even as we pivot to futures I did want to open for the audience to get involved here and ask these guys questions We've heard what I think is three very similar but slightly different approaches to how to address A number of the challenges we have If anyone has any questions the mics are here and and I'm more than happy to have you guys get involved So I have to give these guys a hard time. I think that would be ideal But if no one's standing up then I would like to ask There we go So thank you for the discussion and please introduce yourself. My name is Andre Seller. I'm director of service provider architecture for infobox We're a vendor DNS HCP IP address management. So From so question and comment. So what I'm hearing is I hear, you know, definitely different viewpoints And I hear AT&T, you know, obviously Doing a good job in leadership here in in OpenStack Contributions broadly across all the different working groups But you know built a custom proprietary front end which is needed to interface with their infrastructure So there's a this drive for standardization That isn't necessarily being pushed to the rest of the world. Then I hear century link talking about You know, they've been done a lot of acquisitions. So so I would think that standardization would have definitely benefited them from a business standpoint If if we had adopted this, you know broadly or more broadly and then I hear Verizon talking about how, you know, they're very focused on real operational problems and how to solve those operational problems So appreciate the the candor and the comments But I guess what I'm asking is that doesn't it make sense that we have a Really embracing the standards approach. Isn't that the way that we can help leverage this moving faster? And then and and when we look at microservices and containers as the next evolution How long will we continue to support the existing infrastructure? In our current, you know, nfv the nf base solutions because I see that as being, you know A four or five year effort at least as we get containers ready to go into a service provider environment Can I do one thing first? You'll like this. You'll love this. I need a button So I'm thrilled to be here, right? I'm thrilled to be here because Most of the people in this room write code. I hope But since we're the carrier audience that's probably not the case, right? But most of them a lot of these other rooms write code. I want to draw a parallel for a second here nfv And kuba and containerism containerism. Is that a word? So Started at about the same time How far has containerization got versus how far nfv has got? nfv's nowhere The whole container infrastructure has gone along at a rapid pace. Why is that? They didn't bother with standardization They didn't go to babble fests where they talk about writing documents They didn't do it, right? And so so you're right things have to work together But and and there is a this lack of comfort around You know not having standards inside the carrier world and there's a balance to getting it right But I think we're responsible for our own destiny here, right? We are responsible for our own destiny And so we need to take responsibility for that destiny if that results in things where we collaborate together That's great. If it doesn't it doesn't we get economies of scale and we all want economies of scale But i'm not a supporter of this. Let's go to standards Yeah, so what what AT&T? Front end were you referring to the econ? Ecomp has been outsourced as onath Fully outsourced now, so it's out there for we'd like you to join the community in fact And you know write a check and be part of it so We would love that but but we have fully open sourced that it's been combined with triple o And I think we have open open open. Oh shoot wrong one open. Oh, thank you Somehow I still I think 34 percent's the number i'm gonna get in trouble with the media guys But I think 34 percent of the major wireless carriers across the globe have already joined So it's it's got a lot of momentum behind it In fact, I thought you might be talking about orm which open stack resource manager which we presented back in austin And I think the only reason that one's not an open stack because open stack hasn't consumed yet But we would be happy to give that as well So we this this is open and I'll tell you this is kind of back to the future Telecom companies have always done business together. We have had to have interconnection agreements and ways to do business This is back to the future what we're doing here But I but I do agree with your point We have to move and we have to decide and we cannot linger and I think there's a little lingering going on That's why we started the elku, which is the large contributing open stack operators The large is important because we need people who can scale Okay, we need to figure out their scaling problems and open stack. We need to fix that The contributing part is we don't want people who are just gonna Take we want people who are going to give and be part of the process And of course the operators part is well the vendors have led this thing for a long time And we want to partner with you. We need you But we also have to get our perspective heard And of course, I mean we we contribute code back in they upstream our code to ipam plug-in framework But and I understand it. It's a your wing, you know business opportunity Especially like in the century link example, right versus, you know trying to move forward quickly So that was why the second part of my question on you know as we move forward How do you see the The Containerization Moving forward in terms of what we're supporting today in an NFV Framework Yeah, you have a guy I got an opinion, but I'm an opinion. He can be easy side of the question I think containers is largely going to be an opinion. I mean I think the industry is spoken I mean, there is there is the darker world the kubernetes to CNC of world I think we'll largely, you know pick around converge around one of stores proper public communities But you know to a point about standards I think standards have a role like 3g pp and ietf We talk about protocols and interoperability between network functions between operators But this is an implementation, you know, where do we how do we deploy this? And there, you know, whatever we pick now may not be the best solution for tomorrow So we're going to need to experiment around it. So It's largely becomes, you know, what's what's our platform explain that platform clearly Lay out a roadmap and and you know, give you the avenues to come and test and then I excel in the platform You can solve a lot of problems with a container with no js in it Yes Very good. Thanks guys. We have another question No answered Maybe again, does anyone else have any questions? I would like to I would like to explore Some of the themes that have come up this week The themes around containerization containerization of open stack running containers over open stack How are you looking As you look forwards, how are you looking to take advantage of that? I mean, as you said, there's a lot of opportunity a lot of optionality a lot of ways that this can work In your mind's eye if you look, you know, two years down the track How would you like to see your machinery humming with the with the composition of containers and open stack and infrastructure of services and application management Well, uh, let me give you my view there I mean, we have open stack which is largely built to support virtual machines and a virtualized network functions But uh, like I was saying earlier, you know our vision has largely been, you know We got bad metal purpose build appliances today If we want to get to cloud native, but we can't just take the leap overnight and we you know We need to stepping stone and virtualization of the stepping stone Which is what we're executing right now But our vision has always been to get to cloud native architectures So which also means building infrastructure that can support cloud native architectures I mean, what is a cloud native application? Effectively an application is built around on the cloud efficiently So we have to have the infrastructure that has to think, you know We got to have a container orchestration engine be able to specify What's my deployment unit, you know, what whatever language you pick in whatever declaration language you pick in having, you know A log analysis infrastructure so you could expose your logs to that, you know having You know key management functions as part of the infrastructure networking that is seamless So that's you know, that's the direction we expect to go in that regard So Containers are extremely important Open stack is extremely important. They both go together. There was a great keynote The other two days ago by the google fellow, I forget the name But it he showed the layers and he showed the application layers kubernetes doesn't handle so there's our v&f right Then there's kubernetes that handles the containers and then there's open stack that handles the infrastructure as well So It's it's a marriage. It's a perfect marriage in fact. It's one that goes together very well There's always going to have to be something that pixie boots hardware that manages hardware that That does the things that you need to do in the data center and You know, what a great thing to have ironic and some of the options You can do to tag everything in your data center and get an automated inventory right away So so I think they coexist together for a long time, but they have to continue to come together I don't want that to be a long standards process But what I don't want I might not see it what I don't want I might not be I know But what I don't want are five different companies developing products and selling them in that space When we can come up with one way to do it. That's already pretty much there Open stack helm if you're interested So You want to know I go ahead So I was kind of one thing which is I see a little bit of divergence between the open stack world with vm So the container world when it comes to networking I mean, we need high performance networking. I mean, we're all never companies We do run high performance Elements that have high throughput high packets per second requirements So what we've done in the open stack world was to do things like sri We which give us high performance networking, but it comes with the set of operational challenges But now we're moving into user space networking, you know with dpdk ovs tpdk vpp and all the advances So networking has gone into user space Within open stack, but if you look in the container worlds, what are containers fundamentally? They're kernel objects, you know kernel c groups and kernel namespaces So everything around containers must be managed in the kernel when you move networking out of the kernel Well, it doesn't really fit natively within the container architecture So what I also see going on in the Linux world is kernel networking is making a comeback There's a lot of new promising technologies bpf xdp and so on where they're looking at high performance kernel networking So I see right now a little bit of divergence We're on the evolution path and we really need to figure out what is the you know What we need is a common networking infrastructure virtual networking infrastructure That is that ties in these two domains And I think that's a little bit of a struggle we have today. Where is where is this going? You know we've got to think two different paths. Yeah, I'm gonna I'm gonna go again Okay, I'm sorry. I got something to talk about but that was so good because The networking pieces is the weakest peaks in open stack and I'm sorry to neutron leaders and everybody But it just we didn't ask them to build it this way either right now We're doing it ourselves at different ways So we all are now because the layer three parts not included And that's where we have a bunch of five different vendor solutions. It's more like 50 but That's something we've got to solve for now gluons one way that's that's a proposed project to solve it I don't know if that's the best way, but this is something that's got to get solved for so we can module That's tough word. So we can plug in modules Okay, whenever we want to we could run multiple sdn components when we want to we have sdn dash I think through the entire alphabet Uh of different small microservices for sdn components. So You were right on that's all I wanted to do is jump on the bandwagon. I mean, you know We'll take on doing some of this stuff ourselves. We have a whole pile of dpdk stuff that we've written and Because that's where we came from right as I said, we were in the land of vendors So we kind of built a bunch of dpdk stuff. So we have a bunch of those but But I but I think you know across the state here are america's three largest carriers Right, I mean just to give you a context as what's going on here and and we're doing similar things But I think if we were to if we're allowed to them, which were obviously not to drill into the details Once we drilled into the details of what we do. They're all different enough to be different, right? I mean so so as we drill down in this path and so there's a couple of things we're thinking about the first thing is You know How different are we really right and so when we interact and it's a new experience for me being on this side When we interact with vendors here we go and the vendor a bit don't cry He's gonna cry right to about vendors right so when we get into this vendor thing You got to realize what you're doing when you pitch to us is you're talking about all the differences Between your product and another one and so I was recently the thing we were talking about big data systems You know whose databases we're gonna buy and they said adam you must have an opinion. I said I don't care They said you must have an opinion adam you got an opinion on everything. I said I don't care They said why don't you care? I said look we're gonna buy a big data system here We're gonna make some decisions. We're trying to rationalize another databases that we've got and you know in the big scheme of things The vendor solutions They're talking about the 10 percent margin that makes them different But we probably only use 40 of all the features anyway And so it's very likely that they're all exactly the same So we keep arguing because our vendor partners and we love our vendors too But they steer us down this path to argue about the 10 percent When it doesn't really matter that much. So I said guys, whatever you want, we'll fix it later on Buy whatever you like and you know ultimately We kind of will fix it later on as well So, you know, I think there's a couple of interesting aspects in as you think about how different we are and how the same we are How we work our way through that and then what we expect people to solve for us because our systems are all different And we all have slightly different packaging and so now you get to my other favorite topic Which is everybody wants to package open stack every call I get is I want you to I Here's my My packaging for open stack and it doesn't matter. It's an open source organization on commercial one too And I go yeah, we went down that path. You know, it's a whole lot of hard work. We didn't get what we want It's easier to spin it ourselves, right? And so I think as you enter this world with us and as we want to make this world better You got to think differently about hey, I sell this stuff because you know, we we don't want to keep paying for packaging I think the keys the maybe I went off into a vendor thing here in the future Procurement mess the future keys are customer service. I mean, it's about support and it's about execution So that that what makes the biggest difference to me in the first place anyway I want to pick up on your thing about packaging. So yeah, funny story Fender sellers. Oh, we tested this in kilo, but you need to re-certify it in newton and metaka. Well, what's the difference? It's all the same right the difference problem. Is that really right? I think that's a bouncer. We need to be able to figure out how to run vnfs on the cloud I mean the versions change, but that's just a management plane. It's not the to play domain where the applications run Yeah, and coming back to containers, I mean, I'm not really sure right I mean you quite right about networking assassins networking is hard to do So, you know, we you know one of the requirements is we run, you know, very high speed vnfs And so in a standard build off the shelf it's hard to get high speed vnfs to run And so we've done a lot of work to make it run that way And and so as we as we march towards containers and we talk about all the benefits of making these things smaller You know, we have to go back and go. Okay. How do we make this run fast? So so being that I'm an engineering manager I don't have a long a big opinion of architecture because I'm not an architect Right. I'm a guy who's trying to get us to build stuff But we do have some interesting stuff going on We have some work going on with the university who's trying to figure out how to get put control plane In containers and and I think some of the honest guys trying to do this stuff too, right Which is get control plane for routing in a container but get the forwarding down under open flow control And it's immensely difficult. I mean it's easy to get the one to work where you use AVS It's really hard to get the one to work where you use Broadcom chips. So, you know, it's some interesting stuff going on here Very good. All right guys, we have three minutes left. Um, yeah You didn't cry. No, I'll save it for later. Okay. Um, you know, I will Yeah, absolutely so Take a few seconds Final message 30 seconds a minute just Where do we need to go? What do you see this week highlight from the week message to take forwards Start with you, Greg. Okay First and foremost, we're grateful for this community We got to start with a lot of lines of code. We didn't start from scratch Not only that we get advice from each other. So it's that's why this thing is moving as fast as it is Is because we're able to work together Uh, and we're committed to being open and doing that again I think it's in the execution of the customer service. So when we come back to open stack um There are things to improve for large operators and and in You hit on one of them with the networking piece Uh, there was another one with oh, you just talked about container containerizing the control plane And that's relative to the open stack helm project and I want to get you to look at that too But uh, I think those are a couple of the major areas that open stack really needs to focus on and really needs to harden For for it to be viable long term and keep the threats away Thank you So I would say, um You know the operators at least those we bet made the bet to go to the cloud You know open stack and whatever comes next, but it is a cloud See my call to actually be you need to build your network functions to run natively on the cloud Embrace services based architecture. Do we still need diameter and I'm not picking on that But do we need our telcos silos? What do we embrace what the web skill world has you know pick up on embrace services based architectures web services based interfaces And you know build the applications around natively on the cloud. I think that will make everybody happy So where we spend a lot of our time thinking right is Simplicity of constraints in the design and the ability to do placement Right and so and so if you think about open stacks placement mechanism It's pretty rudimentary right and the complexity that we're getting lower down in the stack here because remember We're not just placing beams. We've got to connect them to networks the right way We get increasing amounts of complexity in the networking component above So as you think about I'm asking the people who do Building stuff here as you think about what you go from a networking perspective Think about think about the simplicity the problem in networking and the level of complexity it creates in placement And and that's an important thing to do Also, we're you know thrilled to be here. Thank you very much for having us And I also want to let you know that we do most of our open stack development here in new england And I have 30 rex open and I can put someone over here And take your resume as you walk through we're great guys. You'd like all right. Thanks gentlemen for joining us. Thanks


All right, yo, let's get everyone Nick Smith is back today We have part two of a brother wars series, which which if you guys haven't seen part one Link gets in the description box down below. I'll give you five seconds to go and watch it five or three One if you guys haven't watched it already then you guys know what happened But we we both drafted a team and now we're gonna be facing off up against each other with the team that we drafted Now if you guys haven't seen that video go check it out, but yeah It's part two So Louisa has to do a crazy challenge thing that's gonna be I don't know one of us is gonna have to do something crazy Chili flakes right now. This is like as hot as proper chili Not too sure what it's gonna be.  Nope, let's do this. Oh, look out.  Oh No, Steph.  Oh That was kind of cool, right? Did you see that one handed pull back?    Do you get? No No, I've got him for his handles.   Oh, you're sure. That's what I made him do. I didn't why Oh, yes. Yes. Oh go away Russell. What no one likes you.  There it is. You better not miss that Thank you very much. Come again. Let's go team act. Let's go team act Skip the replay this time We run this Tonight is that for the lead? No. Is that for Ty? Don't dunk on you. Yep Get that out of here. So I'm up five stars second hard. No Let's do this. Sorry about that. Hit the mic. My bad.   That is too easy. Come on now Look at this. So where's brick and make a three? That wasn't a three But look at look at this. This is ball movement.  Give me that. That's a good look, bro. That's a good look. What are you? Oh my goodness Give me that bro That's a two. No Y20, I have to do something like that No, no You have to do something bad anyway No, no, not like, no, like double bad Or what if you lose by 20 life cameras as well? No, I don't care That's so good. So good, man Away with the room So let's head over to the challenge part of this video because he messed up you messed up Chili flakes, right? Now this is like as as hot as proper chili By the way, mom if you're watching this first of all This wasn't my idea. He came up with it. So I don't want to hear anything because it's his fault. So, yeah It smells spicy Smell it But what are you doing? It's really spicy It gets worse No, it was bad at the start and then now this was I guess this was a simple challenge I'm gonna do more challenges like a pack opening and things like that. So it's not just me having all the skill and stuff It's all it's some of it's going to be based on luck as well. Why are you following me around like that? But um, no, seriously, some of it's going to be based on luck So it won't just be me winning at all because uh, you know, eventually I'm going to have to do a challenge But today's not the day. Hope you guys enjoyed smash the like button if you did subscribe to your new army out. Peace


We've been on an amazing journey the last two years and I think the goal was always to qualify for a major tournament, we hadn't done it in 50-58 years. To represent Wales for me means everything I think. To pull on the Red Jersey, the Welsh Dragon, play for the public, there's no better feeling for me and when the national anthem goes on it's one of those special moments that you save for every time. The plan is to try and win Euro 2016. I think we know obviously it's going to be a difficult task but we're not going there to make the numbers if we can win. We will try our best to win but not just for that we want to obviously qualify for other major tournaments now and not just to be a one-off. We want to get more kids playing football in Wales and hopefully we're this generation that can inspire all that to happen.


Good morning everybody and welcome yes, they sort of played out as we want to We got like pretty much every move that we Yeah, this this part of the potency especially if it held up 50 here. It's just fine. And they just And it's something that you just have to either catch or Or just pay for the retest and I'll target here As you can see Okay, we talked about here actually yeah, there we go. We were looking for a second swipe down We've got super aggressive swipe down here and I would not reclassified some seconds wide But it's still a trade We traded to The daily imbalance here as you can see As you know, we're gonna fall back down and this is what the reactions you are looking for from trading to the daily balance is just Even if it goes into it, it just shops moves away from it This will be your secondary test that you're waiting for to potentially long off of so there's two opportunities long They've taken this long throw. This is a bit risky. I mean taking it up here. Let's say for here And you can take that short here back after that point and again, it's just pretty much everything's all going Perfectly perfect enough That's the key thing We don't care exactly how they do it Coming into now and moving into a consolidation. It's a very News heavy day today. It's going to see so all the news is all the all the all the everything's everything most of these are projected much higher and I was the background of people just wanting that I mean everyone's just expectations and Points where I think they want a short short this move here Now We've got some nice Consolidation so when and truly this would be our consolidation here Seen by some buys coming in here as very large buys And where you want to stand the rest of reversing is actually here we come back into this area I Largest area here Pretty much the same as yesterday Down this shit, bro How about now? Yeah, okay Is it no, it's not the soundest. This is me that's Like I said Pretty tired, but Okay You just want me to be closer So coming back into this and let's stop getting distracted We have this area here where we want to see where these orders end up Collating out and then if they do in fact just act as just a major resistance here where they accumulate these long positions sort of they shake our sort of thirst for Wanting to trap longs above here I think they might even tip slightly above as you can see that I've given a big range to just because I mean we're gonna try be too precise with this just because there's always Overhang and there's always spread to account So we might not necessarily be perfectly exact, but Generally speaking we are gonna get what we want out of this Just if we sort of hold out I mean we're just looking for that long sort of Short to present itself not long Jesus Coming closer try and make heads and tails of it But But no, I hate that I don't know how people can stand people whispering in the ears It's just I don't know. Maybe it's just tickles me the wrong way. I Mean right now this entire movie. I just have been primarily Made out of long so that that's just something that will probably collapse Onto itself. So that's something that you want to watch out for Especially considering that we're moving very aggressively in London. I mean it just in and the premium a New York pre-market generally Speaking because we could just echo the same sentiment that we did here just inverse of here I mean if they're pricing in this high here One one or two things would happen. This is the expected price of 3.25. They're pricing in But if we hit lower like say three point three point oh, we should pull up if they round it Up here to three point five zero 3.50 this will just crash on itself So that's that's something that again You're expecting the numbers to sort of react so and then how they sort of do the numbers is they will price in What they is expected but remember expected is not always The outcome so the outcome will either be worse or better and then the price will react accordingly So it's just okay. We'll get if we expecting better will get Prices to collapse Whips all down then just instantly shoot up on the hour. So it's about two EST Why yeah to EST head interest rate decision and prior to the action on this after that I mean everything is first year Jesus everything's gonna be This is basically a very important day that we sort of map out for the rest of sort of quite a few of Our decisions for a macro especially. I mean everything's continue to tumble. I mean As I mean spy has just been consolidating here. I mean, we got we got again yesterday. We got that sort of Yeah, we did pull it back up is just came in just collapse and and just bounce and just consolidate So everything's just moving console into its consolidation phase here Just slightly below this area He saw a large term. I kind of want to see if they just spike it down. Give us up a nice whip So numbers are not too bad at least this time around So we expect that so Maybe bullish What is the bearish in bullish numbers anything below 3.25 is bullish anything above is bearish? And I just played simple. It's just expected Because right now we're at 2.5 so I mean rice has been coming down anyway to meet meet the 3% But as long as we're like 3% As long as we're like below the expected a price should I have some reaction upwards and that's just that's just how it works So I don't know. It's just it's just it's okay. Okay. So By 2 o'clock you'd have a nice setup. I mean things are looking like it could just spike one more time And and it is just looking like it's just poison for sure. I mean at least on the short term So it might not be I mean, it will it will probably be Wait one more leg Short that leg and then shoot that down. So shoot that down soon Maybe well if we close here, especially it will probably be instantaneous short, but If we sort of spike high come in just close back here Nice little short down should be nice What we're not looking for is a consolidation up here because that might just mess up that short It might just just whips or itself back up and just be bullish So you're just looking for that within the charts. Just It plays to short essentially. I think we might get some place here If we get it this early on we might expect better numbers, but You don't at least try short it down to 1900 and see if that continue down continues down further This you can see large sort of great these ellipses these are bigger traders you can pull these up on a Strengths levels of book map and I don't think I have them available because Mine get always gets really buggy for no reason other than just to piss me off. Yeah Yeah, it's strength levels I don't know why mine disabled. I have everything. It's just I don't know man I'm telling you it's someone like book map doesn't really like me enough. They just mess with my book map It's a joke, okay joke But Nevertheless, let's just joke aside So look at so where things are going again same and sentiment of book map We're seeing these larger green dots here where we have these bias coming in Start is trying to thin in to you sort of yesterday's area here Where we have this point here, you see these large dots that were trapped prior We want to see if this just echoes the same sentiment But smaller at lower price point to then come back down into at least here we do have some Not too much, but getting majority of that volume we're trapping here That just means they're re accumulating shorts letting people get trapped up here. So that's something that you want to sell maybe Sideways in terms of being short Especially considering that this may look like it could at least collapse down to at least again 1900s first sort of area looking for we have some volume here. I use time spent Previously at this point. We've got some longs here to try support it But I think we fall on top of a bit further down to 18 and 900 or even lower Going back in and look at our book map. We know that we have our shelf at 1800 we have that sort of short area here. We have that structure that's At least for a long term wise just here but in terms of everything just being long here The long you told me on yesterday's stream Refund please But it was successful though I mean your stops are your stops I'm sorry that there are no refunds on this channel I know you're joking Sometimes I don't like multi-book.  I was like looking at people's hour Maybe maybe I don't I don't I don't want to take this long anymore. No in the long and you just bounce. I was like I was like, oh no, I was in the A&E just to get my leg checked out.  I think I think they Ended up just staying in the long Yeah, yeah again finances just 20% of the market. It's more multiple. It's nice. It's just It's just depends on the exchange though I don't like but the fact that they have by bit by bit just hugs too close to price to give you any sort of semblance of of Information that's the thing like this is a majority of it's useless like it's not clean Think finance teachers some of it's noisy. Let's just say that's just how people trade but most of it is useful information You see this. Oh, I love to do this women This is again, these are usually traps here where they keep price up And they drop it since they drop it. They start it. Ah tanking and you want to see that you see that reaction coming soon Actually considering look how how long we people are. Oh God damn.  I mean, we're pretty high up It's just it's just uh, I want to see if they just console they for a bit spy get one more time Then pull it back down Is it cuz again, you could just fell reentry if they do that Do a long but they don't they just willingly go up They will collapse it hard and it won't be nice. So you're looking to short this soon as you just Like a steady climb up. It's super heavy long You're seeing this area here. You've seen this area here. We have that long You can see from previous days. I mean all of this is messy But majority of it is clean where you have these clusters here Just present Yeah, I agree That's my old thing Alts did well yesterday or some of them did God damn Monday cut so much. I Mean those previous day those today Came in again, like we said, there was just spike came in exactly to that spike of that volume And it's not even magic It's just understanding that our volume is just volume is king for the most part and if we're holding these devils at least captured and made Profile of that You know the best but in it's just pin pin. You're out. You're out a single bar and you're happy No, even there you go out in a couple of us an hour face Facing out but now we're sort of moving to here.  You don't see if they hold this if they console it into this then they pull up. It could be good They don't You're probably scared You're scared Yeah, I moved down back into the sign. You sort of come back down into this We sort of planned it and we saw that All hit to that after that pushed up Nice little get here. I would probably close off some positions It's not here exactly, but you'd probably want to get out with some Move for it to come retest or even consolidate a bit higher at the 14 mark then try and push See if you can push up further Avax Mention it I kind of I'll kind of what I see is like it's kind of a no man's land Thank you had the 16 sort of support here I mean it broke through surprisingly and and that and that's just something that I Don't always account for it to do but it just took out the liquidity again It was just nice little stop on broke through Kind of wanted to go a bit further down to like at least 16.3, but again, you can't have everything So Yeah, it just looks like it's about to collapse and it's just ready to go down just taking out these stops You can see the P several P just higher formation of lungs Entered into here. I kind of want to see these fall under It's just a point where we could potentially come back down again Keep your eye on that in terms of if you're trying to short the market Solana, yeah, I said this was sort of potential buy area. I mean, it's just a lot of them I don't really have too many short-term plans for it just because it just doesn't look nice in the short term Try to trade it like so scalp scalp wise Just see how many of the lines we got up there But generally speaking, it doesn't look too bad into this area here We definitely look for a capture some level of Profit just if it holds this area here this large sort of area if it starts falling through 27 is probably a hard get or even wait for it to drop below come back up retest the 27 then push it up back up Ether Yeah, just fell and didn't really fall through just again same as Bitcoin is consoling up here but We had that sort of an interior in just retested a high volume area pulled up just back into consolidation But the everything I think people here are just starting to look to short this Probably I mean have been longing aggressively In terms of midterm wise they've been they're probably ready to show it So maybe if we get that whipsaw down we hold 1800 and for theorem Probably hold that Probably hold around this area here Can we want to zoom out a bit further ever since we had this choke hold? We've just been pushing it down. So it might be something that we retest to so maybe look for 1400 here as a point Contention just take this wall here because this came in there. I'm just hasn't been looking the same since That's what you call a successful choke hold. I Mean looking at just how long how much buys have been incubated here I think safe to say that people are probably this we might just even retest the back end of 1350 1340 45 pull it back down and just start looking at the very beginning It's just been looking pretty long heavy in inventory wise Generally speaking not too bad here and there I mean if we pull it back down and look into that and if we see Bitcoin hold I don't want to see a theorem up to 1400. I just Yeah, that's just all dependent on the markets, but looks like they're just And the spot especially is just sitting down with these walls and just saying ah, we'll wait for reactions wait to see what we want to get And just like no no information yet. Are they pulling it down? No, there's the things back again This you want to see these removed when you see these removed you don't see them pull down You can see how when this comes down as back again holds up pulls it back up So they're slowly building up to collapse. So that's something that you want to potentially watch out for And once we get that collapse sort of Also, we'll sort of see from there and out where we want to get in for the sake nice little doji Hopefully we pull back into the next candle Don't want to look for a consolidation again You want to look for a fast move away fast move away will lead to this pulling down further and sort of maybe giving you a reentry That in the target too much higher That's essentially I mean and you're going in this was expectation of your shorting You're not expecting this to hold but if it holds you're reversing if it doesn't hold. Yeah, cool. I'm in my short I'm happy I can trade That's all how to trading in terms of it's just it's just much easier that way you don't have Expectations you just trade what you see and if it if it keeps going in your direction you're happy You're looking to reverse and anytime you're in a a position power of hedging essentially I don't think there's much to look again Now is a really long time. I don't know how people go for a sin.  So I start slow talking slowly You know, maybe that could buy me and raise some more time. I Don't know. I'm not really want to waste time like that. I Say that while wasting time Any questions any questions to ask Without some runtime Before we saw clothes off I'm gonna read this morning news call before we wrap things up. I've been screened. It's in the disco if you want to read it for yourself It's gonna be an interesting day probably expecting it so bitch based on this Yes Boss awesome seed nuclear blackmailed conflict over there Imagine being told off by the US They're getting told off by Democrats and Republican lawmakers based in what though I'll consume a predictions and lending stances on fossil fuels lending and firearms Road, why would you recommend them on that man? It was one of the most profitable vehicles like what? US has been profiting over war for ages. Why can't they? cost of renting a home in the United States is urging and young workers have felt the sharpest pain many of them taking additional Jobs or roommates to afford housing cost Yeah, that's insane. Imagine not being able to afford your house that you have to have someone else there icky US stock index futures You know, yeah, a lot of people are waiting that's the smart thing European shares etched up. That's makes sense Though gains were limited after Russia President Putin ordered mobilization over Ukraine Which helps the dollar hit a new two decade high Asian equities ended in a the red Niki closed in the two months low Jesus Niki is down gold Prices rose on a safe even bet all searched over two percent on concerns of tighter all and gas supplies And I think yeah, it was Canadian oil as well They're looking better because people are betting on Canadian or I have gold over the ticker here. I don't I'll be asked pulling up Should have a UX. Yeah, where's a UX? No, I don't have a UX my blind Yeah, I'm That's interesting Does she look at gold? I've retired it.   I can't even say that word Really you call that a rise Jesus I've had morning would rise more than this joke. It's a joke.  I think people were trading short So it's probably right for this reverse I kind of want to see if they take out the highs here If they do and they don't move anywhere. They sort of looking like that to short.  It's sort of I want to hit here ideally That'll take out these stops pull it into there and that will sort of give cause to go down I'll give cause it for it to go down But if it doesn't it just flies you want to see that retest back into this area and then you probably don't get full of gold If it's really a safe haven I just I mean No looking at no I mean just since there don't know She has been pulling down and peeling away. I mean it's a little market, but I think I think I don't think it's too much of a safe haven especially if people are expecting to be safe in it We'll see out today. We should get every sort of reaction that left was Hmm. I mean, yeah, it looks interesting by just generally was interesting just having it built up here Could give you a nice little M Come into here. I want to see if we get some overhang Now again due to sort of prices just biking one more time for Bitcoin, but And speaking might look to change the sound and this just looks like it's ready to collapse at any moment So, uh, just waiting for it to collapse JCT Watch ICT You know, I wish should actually buy a con Think I'm spiff it. This is meant to be streaming. I'm multi-streaming and book map I have to be serious Every business we can't do some we can't do the trunk fullery unless we do some weekend streams I don't know man Then again, I don't want to It's new content. It's goof. Oh Oh, that was goofy. That'd be funny I don't know things looks interesting. I know you guys know already know what to do. I'm just wasting time, but Looking like looking at this is just ready to collapse at any point So if they start consolidating here, they could lead into another spike high then pull it down But generally general sentiment for today's you're getting ready short this at any point If you're longing if you want to long it is probably waiting for this area here and seeing if there's cause to all this area But ideally you'd have been in along from yesterday. If you haven't already taken that off the table You'd have still had that up But I've been off the table a long time ago. Yeah, there's no if and but but You should really look just really long around here. I mean, it's a safer bear But I don't think it's too safe in the way you're thinking away.  It's two o'clock. It's probably where you want to If you're not in a trade, you'll probably see a lot of whipsaw and you want to enter in the second end of the Whip saw where it goes up like this That you want to enter into this where it goes back down into this or that's what's going this way You want to enter into this bike trade with it. They just looking to trade bikes You're not looking to have any direction today. I mean, you might not always get It's a heavy totally in the books Yeah, exactly man. We can even see you just see I just it's just too heavy bear. It's too many lungs There's too much too much not to collapse this. I mean sure. We've been relatively negative over the last couple of days I mean moving down been super aggressively fighting this down with a lot of liquidations here and there But I mean just look at the lungs here God I mean spot has everything all but given up a very sad bunnies They go they're all about just selling ready to sell ready to sell ready to sell That's the only sort of one sort of statement where you might say, okay They need that spike higher to get these spot interested sport people interested again maybe get that choke back Oh Maybe we get that. Yeah, at least I keep 500 slightly high just to get these interested because most of it has just been futures long But the more they do that the more they let these longs get into profit and the hemorrhage money That's not something that they would like to do ideally Yeah, more things should be controlled. So You should start seeing some slowing here and if we don't Market's wrong in a simple Market's pretty wrong So just look for this collapse when it collapsed you're sort of taking that down if it's collapsed early you're looking to get a retest In and around open to try and drive up. Maybe even look for a second high slightly higher than current market price but You know, it's just a bad man There's nothing more to say other than trade safe Any questions just ask will be applied close-up today. You know, he's joined the discord Slowly getting better. I'll tell you when I'm fully better just in a lot of pain. So When I'm better I promise I'll come with more energy Trade today. Yeah, that's probably a smart move I'm probably gonna try sleep the whole day today. So I probably won't come in with any trades tomorrow Or today. So you guys are on your own But yeah, I mean it should it should sort of pay out. I mean I trade in this delirium. I Don't want to that one with his money I like what I just like watching bookmarks from my bed It helps the part of my brain that's autistic. Okay. Thank you so much for coming guys. See you guys tomorrow


Hello. My name is Nicholas Gaspard and I'm in charge of digital communications at the IAA. We are live from Vienna, our headquarters, and this is the sixth session in a series of lives where we discuss what it is like to work at the IAA and explain how our recruitment process works. We'll also answer some of the questions that many people applying for jobs with us have asked. You too can ask us questions, just drop them in the comment box below. Today's topic is about carriers in IT. What opportunities are available, what way to look for them, and much more. So we have selected a panel of three stellar IT professionals to meet today. First we have Kelly Teal from the US who is heading up our IT infrastructure unit. Then Jan Ribaric, a software engineer from Slovakia. And finally, Lutendo Giraba from Zimbabwe who is an IT security engineer. So welcome to all of you. Kelly, let me ask you first. Can you tell us in a few words what IT is like at the IAA and how it differs from other organizations? Sure. So I started off in the private sector. So I was working at IBM, GE, IBM most recently before I joined here. And I think what's different here is that all the work we're doing is really geared towards supporting the agency mission. So helping take technology and helping the agency meet its mission.  And so it's very different when you are working for an organization that's mission driven. Thank you. So it's mission above profits. Jan, what do you think? What makes the IAA special? What is making special for me is that I also came from the private sector. And there, whatever you do is quite gone from the actual implementation. Whereas here, you can be much closer to the actual implementation of the product that you are helping to develop. Which is very nice. And the second thing, at least in my experience, everything that I was working on was a local impact or a national impact that much here. It's at least a region impact, if not the worldwide impact. So that's what it's different. Thank you. So for Jan, it's global impact. Rutanda, what about you? You actually voted another UN organization before coming here. Yes, that's correct. So prior to coming here, I was with United Nations Population Fund. And how that differs from me joining on my current role here as an IT security engineer. So my role is mainly to identify security threats, vulnerabilities, and trying to implement solutions to protect us from those cyber attacks that we see, such as hacking, malware, ransomware. Because of the mandate that the agency has, it tends to put us on a target of a lot of threat actors and attackers. So because of this, we have to make sure that we're always a step ahead. Because a lot of these attackers do have a lot of resources, are highly skilled. So this makes this place a lot more challenging than my previous roles. Thank you. And thankfully for us all, you're doing a good job. So what made you guys consider applying for a job at the IEA? Jan, why don't you start? I think I actually touched this answer already on my previous answers. For me, the difference was to be able to be really closer to the real implementation and the impact that it's beyond the nation or beyond the local environment or local infrastructure. So these were the main reasons why I considered the IEA in the first place. Thank you. Rutendo? Well, as mentioned before, I was with another UN agency in New York with UNFPA. And this was my first exposure to the UN system and I completely fell in love with it. Especially working in such a culturally diverse environment. Coming across people with such a great passion for humanity. So when I heard my daughter, I wanted to be closer to my family. So a friend of mine actually pointed me at the agency. And as I started researching about the agency, the mandate intrigued me. But what really drew me in was the level of effort agency has been putting towards representing women in STEM. And this is a passion of mine that also grew, particularly exposing girls to the field early on since it's predominantly now. Eventually I came across the role that I'm currently in and it was in line with my career path. That with my passion for cybersecurity and my desire to be closer to home. I mean, it sealed the deal for me. Good. Thank you. So Kelly, what about you? What made you consider the IEA? But also how do you come across our job advertisement? It's a good question. I was working at IBM and I actually was not looking for a job. I was doing a lot of great work for them in the acquisition space. And I was contacted by an IEA recruiter. And the more I looked into what the mission was, the mandate, the kind of global impact you could have, the opportunity to move to Vienna, to live in Europe, all these things really just attracted me. And similar to Rotendo, it was on my career path. I wanted to continue to lead teams and this gave me an opportunity to lead a really diverse team and do work that's really important and has that global impact. So I took the opportunity to apply and here I am. Thank you. So Kelly, both you and Rotendo, you both mentioned career development, career path. So how can the IEA add to your career wherever it will take you further, your life will take you further? For me, as a manager, as a supervisor, you know, when you're leading teams, I think it's so important to be able to lead diverse teams. I mean, in today's world, it was so interconnected. And even though IBM is a multinational company, I really feel that here, I've really been able to grow my skills in managing a diverse team and really getting to understand and become more familiar with different cultures and different working styles and different backgrounds and how people got to where they are today. And so for me, it has been a huge growth opportunity and I know that it will help me in my future roles. Thank you. Well, perhaps one difference is that IBM is international, but it's an American company. So people there are trying to be good Americans. People are trying to be good international. I would say at IBM, you are an IBMer first. And here, much more, you bring your culture with you and your culture contributes to the culture of the IEA. I understand. Rotendo, what about you? How is your job at the IEA helping your career? Well, since I've taken up this role, my scope of responsibilities has expanded. I've also been exposed to a lot more of the security domain in my field. So this has definitely given me, I've acquired new skills. You know, I'm continuously learning either through the projects that I get involved in, you know, through my colleagues, through the trainings that are offered to me. You know, IT is a very fast-paced, it's ever-changing field. So it's very important that I continue on this path of learning and continue to grow. And over here, I've been provided that opportunity to stay current, and that's important. Thank you. Jan? Yeah. For me, I have one more thing on top of what you just said. I was working for Accenture and Microsoft back in Slovakia and they both used to say that we are American companies with the local subsidiaries. Whereas here, it's really like international subsidiaries. It's not like, okay, we are US, like we are UN. And even if you can say, okay, Microsoft, Accenture are multi-cultural, multi-national companies, the people you're working with day-to-day, it's mostly the local people or within the local area. Whereas here, when in the smallest unit, you have people from all around the world, which is different environment from the very beginning. So it's increasing rapidly your intercultural awareness. And the second thing for me, I was working in the services business for all my life. So now I moved a bit on the other side of the table. So I'm not the pure provider, I'm also recipient of the services business. So that for me was the biggest change and the biggest area where I'm able to grow in the IAEA. Good. Thank you. Interesting. So you have all touched upon this idea of impact, impact beyond your day-to-day job. So I'd like you to each tell us what's been a particularly impactful project that you have worked on. Yes. So last year, we recently accomplished our upgrade of what's known as the Security Information and Event Management System, SIM for short. So this tool works essentially by kind of feeding in all of the security events and data that our systems generate. We have a lot of systems.  It's a great tool. However, for me it was more meaningful because it gave me an opportunity to really talk to other units, talk to other departments, figure out and find out how they use IT in their day-to-day life to kind of accomplish their task and their goals. So without projects like these, I would not have been exposed to what my other colleagues in the rest of the agency are doing. I understand. Jan, what about you? What's been a particularly meaningful project? Yeah, so I'm the more lucky one from the panel because as I said, I had a chance or I have a chance usually to be closer to the client and closer to the implementation. And one of the examples I have is not the biggest project I was part of, but from this impact perspective for me, it's the nicest one. And it was one of my earliest projects here in the agency where we helped our colleagues from Food and Agriculture Unit to create a collaboration platform for the member states, mainly from the Latam region, to collect and collaborate on the scientific data about how the mosquitoes should be treated to help eradicate and get it under control of the Zika virus a few years ago. And yeah, so basically we built a solution that helped the member states to collect information and exchange information, which as we believe helped and speed up the process of eradication of the virus. Thank you. That's a great example, having to get rid of the Zika virus from an IT desk. Kelly, you work with lots of people, but also when our phones don't work, it's you who we call. So what's more meaningful of that? Yeah, as Jan said, in some ways he's lucky because he's more directly involved in working with the specific projects that happen here at the agency. But my team supports the underlying infrastructure. So one example is email, right? Your email doesn't work.  And that email allows not only the agency to communicate within the agency, but it also allows the agency to communicate with its member states to share information. And so when we do things like we recently simplified our email environment, which increased stability and increased, you know, the uptime and all these things, you know, in the background, but it really does support the agency and all the work that it does. So I think, you know, even those things that happen in the background really are important in supporting the work that the agency does. Absolutely. Though we only know that when there's a problem, which doesn't happen often at all. Okay. So the people listening to us are considering applying for a job here. So what are main skills you have found you have that are very important when you come to work at the IAA? Kelly? What I look for when I'm looking to bring someone onto my team is technical skills. Sure, they need to be able to do the job. But beyond that, what I look for is someone who has a continuous learning mindset. So someone that's going to be excited about learning new technologies, you know, as was already mentioned, technology is constantly changing. The technology we're using today is not the technology we were using five years ago and won't be the technology we're using five years from now. And so you need to have people who are excited about learning new technology, who are willing and ready and excited to adapt to the changes that are coming, because the changes are coming.  But then I really look for someone who's going to learn and grow while they're here at the agency. Thank you. Jan? I will also begin with the technical credibility and ability to maintain it over the time as well. That's very important. But also you need to have a good set of soft skills and competencies to be able to achieve your goals. You need to be very good communicator. You need to be a team player, at least in the business solution section where I'm from. You need to have a very strong client orientation. You need to lift the client's shoes, as we say, to be able to understand what he's trying to achieve. So these are the main points that we're looking for in our section. Thank you. So what skills do you have that you find most useful? I completely agree with, you know, the rest of my colleagues.  Moreover, I think soft skills can sometimes go undervalued.  Because essentially IT doesn't exist in isolation, there's always going to be a strong human factor there. You know, we interact with it. We have to discuss with our colleagues about IT. So being an effective communicator will really get you far.  No one person knows the answers to everything.  Thank you. So technical skills and soft skills is what you have all said. I've been asking you the questions so far. We've received a few from our audience. So let me show this at you.  So how do you feel about the recruitment process of the IEA? And also both as a hiring manager, but also what was it like for you as a candidate? One of the things that I really liked about the hiring process here is the ability to do the asynchronous interview. I think that's so important because it allows us to really reach candidates globally without, you know, in that first round, particularly without having to try to figure out how we're going to coordinate across time zones. And that's both as a candidate and as a hiring manager. As a candidate, you know, living in the United States, it's quite a difference in time zone and it allowed me to do that interview in a time period that was good for me now when I was, you know, having just woken up or tired at the end of the day. And similarly as a hiring manager, then I, you know, I can get people to respond and I can view it in my time zone while they've done it in their time zone. And it really allows us to have that global reach when we're doing recruiting. Okay. Thank you. Jan, what was the recruitment process like when you were hired? Well, it was lengthy. It was difficult, but it was fair. And that's what I like about the hiring process overall in the agency. That's no matter who you are or from where you are, it's fair to everyone. Thank you. Ruth, can you do anything that you still remember? No, I agree. It is a long process, but it is fair and there's a lot of transparency involved in it. You know, sometimes life does happen, which was my case before I came. So it was really great that everybody like from HR to my manager were very understanding and were also accommodating for me in terms of trying to figure out when I could start. So I appreciate all of that. Thank you. Somebody asked how long recruitment process that the IA can take. So it can take a long time. We've all said that. And partly that's because we have a lot of candidates. And as Jan mentioned, we are running fair processes. So that takes a while. So I would say between six months and a year from when a vacancy notice closes to when we actually select the final candidate. And we don't spend that time sitting around, but actually we do these many rounds. The asynchronous video interviews that Kelly mentioned, there are also sometimes written tests or practical exams. Then at the end, there is a panel interview. And then all these things go through review processes and eventually a decision is made. So hang in there. Certainly for me, my first UN job was not with the IA, but I completely forgot about my application by the time I got called that I got the job. So this has happened. Next question. Does the IA offer opportunities for young professionals in IT? Kelly? Yes. So there are opportunities. You need to look at what the postings are. In the posting, it's very clear how much experience is needed, the kind of experience that we're looking for. There are different levels of positions that are posted. So it is important to go and read through. Sometimes the information you're looking for that's specific to that job is fairly far down. So you do really got to scroll down through the job posting to see. But there is information in there about what experience is required. And some of those are where we are looking for less experience to give young people opportunity. Thank you. Jan, I'll ask you the next question since you work in business solutions. So what programming language are we required to know when applying the IA? Well, especially in my section, we are heavily Microsoft oriented section. So I would go with the Microsoft portfolio of the languages, as well as most of our infrastructures running on the Microsoft platform. So that would be my bet. But we also have a colleague that working heavily in Python with the data related languages, as well as our ERP system runs on Oracle. So that might be also a good fit. But in any case, this would be specified in the job description when we advertise, right? So everything you need to know is there in the job description, except for the competencies. We discussed this or how to prepare for competencies. We discussed this in a previous session to prepare for interview. It's very important to understand how competency based interviewing works. And you can watch one of our sessions from a few months ago when we talk about that. Thank you. Any last messages to people listening to us? Rotendo. I would say onto what was just mentioned, do subscribe to the webinars. They really did help me when I was applying for this position, because it really goes into detail on how to conduct a proper competency based interview. It really goes into how to properly submit your application. So these are really skills that even beyond will always help me as I progress in my career. Thank you very much for that advice, famous last words. We've come to the end of our session, a few things to note. So just a bit of context. We have about 20 positions a year in IT that we advertise, and there are four positions right now that are open for applications. Let me read them out to you. I wouldn't be able to memorize these. So IT systems in engineer, associate IT project officer, ERP functional lead, travel and events management, and IT security operations engineer. So you'll find these on our website, and we're accepting applications for these four positions. We've now done six of these sessions, so we'd like to know what you think, and what are the other topics you'd like to hear about later. So you'll find a link to anonymous survey in the comment section. So thank you for joining us. Don't forget to subscribe to our recruitment newsletter and find more information on ia.org slash employment. See you next month. Bye.


Welcome everyone, please have a seat. I'm Michael Barr, the Joan and Sanford Wildean of the Gerald R. Ford School of Public Policy. It was a pleasure to meet many of you yesterday at our graduation open house, to see many of you from a distance in the big house, and it is my honor to welcome you here this afternoon for our 2018 commencement ceremony. My first is Dean. I'll begin by briefly introducing the members of the platform party with more to say about each of our speakers later. With me on stage is our keynote commencement speaker, innovator, activist, philanthropist, the distinguished David Bonette. David we're so honored to have you here, we look forward to your remarks. We're honored too to be joined by one of the University of Michigan longtime leaders, Vice President for Student Life, Royster Harper. Royster, thank you so much for being here. I'm pleased as well to be joined by a number of my faculty colleagues. We have Elizabeth Gerber, our associate dean for research and policy engagement. Ford School Professor John Cicciari, who directs our international policy center and will be reading the names of our graduates as they cross the stage. Starting on my left, Professor Alan Dierdorf, who's directing our undergraduate program this year. Professor Brian Jacob, who's the director of our PhD program. Professor Paula Lance, our associate dean for academic affairs and director of our master's program. And we have Professor Megan Tomkins-Stang, who has been elected by our graduating students to deliver the faculty address. We also have with us two wonderful students elected by their classmates to provide the student commencement addresses. Our soon-to-be Ford School MPP graduate, Juan Jaime Castilla, and BA graduate, Seo Jung Kim. We are gathered this evening to recognize and celebrate the accomplishments of 193 truly outstanding students. As dean, I have the great honor of talking with you about these wonderful graduates, these smart, engaged women and men who will be leading our communities for the next half century. I'm so glad that your sons and daughters, your friends, your colleagues are graduating from a school of public policy now at this point in our history. We all know that these are challenging times for our nation and for our world. We see fractious, debased political discourse all around us. We see gridlock and partisanship in our nation's capital. We see an increasing mistrust in institutions and leaders. We see loud challenges to evidence, to facts, to expertise. That landscape, those challenges. That's why now, perhaps more than ever before, policy schools and policy professionals are beacons of hope for our future. Our school is named for the University of Michigan's most distinguished graduate, America's 38th president, Gerald R. Ford. In 1938, Gerald Ford was studying law. War was looming across Europe. Ford was an ardent isolationist. Yet three years later, when America entered World War II, he volunteered for the Navy, where he eventually saw action in the Pacific and served with distinction. After the war, he returned to Grand Rapids. His perspectives on the world had been transformed. He successfully ran for Congress in 1948 as a vocal challenger to the isolationist foreign policy of the longtime incumbent in his district. Decades later, reflecting back on the impact of that war, President Ford said, Some people equate civility with weakness, compromise with surrender. I strongly disagree. I come by my political pragmatism the hard way. For my generation, paid a very heavy price in resistance to the century we had of extremists, dictators, utopians, and social engineers. Civility and compromise are not weakness, not surrender. They're essential to democracy. They're essential to building coalitions that can effectively advocate for social change. At the Ford School, we are committed to playing a leading role in rebuilding a public discourse that is bipartisan, evidence-based, and inclusive. We believe in a civil civic discourse, one that must begin with a shared understanding of and belief in facts. And so our graduates have learned to analyze complicated data sets, to think analytically, to evaluate costs and benefits.  Equity too requires communication, and so they've learned to speak and write clearly and persuasively. And it requires empathy. Our graduates have learned to think critically, ethically, compassionately, to listen, really listen, across difference. In the years to come, we'll be growing our work in this area. We'll host public events that model reasoned in evidence-based dialogue. We'll help to train our students to bridge difference, productively discuss contested topics, and negotiate. We'll engage in problem-solving to help tackle some of the world's toughest problems, and we'll show our country how powerful a truly diverse and inclusive community, one working across difference to solve those problems, just how powerful that can be.  Our faculty hold joint appointments all over campus. Economics, political science, sociology, math, history, business, law, social work, education, natural resources, information, urban planning. Their expertise is broad and it is deep. They are thoughtful, enthusiastic teachers and mentors. And they are actively engaged with critically important public policy challenges here in our community and around the world. The Ford School professional staff are also a source of our school strength as well. Our terrific staff team recruited, counseled and supported today's graduates. Let me please ask all Ford School faculty and staff to stand. Please join me in thanking them. What an amazing group. What an amazing group. There are others in this room that I want to acknowledge that deserve thanks and recognition. That's all of you. Our audience includes over 800 family members and friends, along with some 400 others who are tuned in to our live web stream. You've raised these students. You've nurtured them, counseled them and consoled them. Our students would not be here without you. Graduates, please take this chance to thank your loved ones for their support over all these years. Now, let me tell you a bit about these amazing students, what they've given to us and to each other, and how they've changed the Ford School for the better. 113 students have earned a master's degree. They hail from 16 different countries. Between them, they speak an astounding 23 languages. They include a Rumsfeld Fellow and our first ever joint degree student with a prominent Costa Rican business school in Kai. They lead highly active student organizations. For example, the International Policy Student Association, which among other things led an ambitious trip to the United Nations last month. Another group is called SKIP, our Students of Color and Public Policy, who organized a tremendous set of high-profile events this past year and helped the school celebrate Black History Month. Coherts of students often end up describing themselves as a family. How's this for a family? No fewer than four babies were born to our master's students while they were here in school. Two married couples are among our graduates. And tomorrow morning, a couple who met here at the Ford School will exchange their wedding vows at the Michigan Union. Congratulations. Let me tell you a little bit about the 78 students who have earned a bachelor's of art in public policy. Asked recently to reflect on our BA graduates, a staff member sighed and said simply, I love them. They have been part of the university's finest liberal arts programs. In small classes with Michigan's top faculty, our BA curriculum trains students to think critically and across disciplines, to understand policy challenges and to develop solutions. Today's BA graduates include a Rhodes scholar, who spoke at this morning's University commencement. And let me tell you she did a wonderful job. 17 Phi Beta Kappas and 21 Angel Scholars. They include founding members of an exciting new student group called We Listen, designed to foster empathy and dialogue across difference. They include students who participated in our first-ever policy course and study trip to Costa Rica this year. They write for the daily, lead campus-wide student government, advocate passionately and wisely for the causes they believe in. These students are truly the leaders and best across a wide variety of activities on campus. They are also apparently very, very serious about broom ball. Two-time captain. We celebrate as well, it's my job to embarrass the speakers. So watch out, David. We celebrate as well two students who have earned a PhD in public policy and economics, an innovative program for students who want to pursue research careers in social science disciplines and who see themselves as deeply committed to the study and improvement of public policy. Taken together, the classes of 2018 are serious students, hard workers, dedicated leaders. Nearly all of these students entered the Ford School just before the 2016 election. In the wake of that election, we've seen political divides widen and xenophobia and racism increasingly emerge. It's been a challenging couple of years on campus in many ways and perhaps especially for a community such as ours that is so engaged in civic life and in politics. That is why our work is so urgent. That is why the graduates before you are so essential. That is why we must redouble our efforts to become a beacon for diversity and inclusion, for a civil civic discourse, for tackling the world's problems together. Last month, we hosted an inspirational speaker, Kumi Naidu. He was the leader of Greenpeace International and later this summer is going to become the next president of Amnesty International. Kumi told a story from back in 2004 when he was working with a global call to action against poverty, trying to construct a broad-based grassroots coalition for change. Two of his key constituencies in that effort were the women's movement and the faith-based movement. Two groups committed to social justice but divided over the issue of abortion. Kumi worked with them until they could find a solution. The two groups argued and fought until they finally came up with a way forward. The phrase, the global call to action against poverty is committed to reproductive health. That statement was less than what the women's movement wanted. It was more than what the religious community wanted. But both of them could live with that compromise in order to work together on poverty, and both of them felt at the end of the day that the other group had been heard. Kumi said, I think it's about managing difference and respecting the difference. The challenge of a coalition is whether we can bring people together across those differences where we focus on the things that we agree on. Kumi paused and then he went on to say, and always there are many more things that we agree on than we disagree on. I've known Kumi a very long time since he fled the apartheid regime in South Africa in 1987. We've been friends since graduate school. We were housemates together. I'd say that we sat in a graduation hall like this one, just like you are doing today, but neither of us managed to make it to our commencement ceremonies. Let me just say, I have been where you graduates are at this moment in your life, and you're going to be okay. You're going to be okay. You may not figure things out right away, but trust your training and trust your classmates. Keep listening for allies. Keep fighting for change. To all of our graduates, we need you to do this work. Build bridges. Respect differences. Look for values you can agree on. Create constructive coalitions to get things done. Your time at Michigan is drawing to a close, and you are probably having some mixed feelings about that. You might not miss the weather, certainly not today. And surely you're looking ahead, commencing, excited for new challenges and new cities. But I know you'll miss a lot of things from your days in Ann Arbor. At the very least, Dominic's, Rick's, Charlie's, Diego's dog, Sophie, Saskia's sugar cookies, our unofficial Mr. Congeniality, Mr. Yu. You'll miss the free food that appears throughout the academic year. Maybe you'll miss our pop-up food trucks, smoking out the law school, donuts and coffee. Of course, most of all, you'll miss each other. Next year, your friends and classmates may not be close by. But I promise you that the ties you've made here, ties forged in dialogue and hard work, as well as in fun, will endure and will help sustain and propel you. Graduates, we are proud of you, and we're all going to miss you. Congratulations and best wishes to the classes of 2018. Go Blue.