Hello, and welcome to the Jackie Boswell show presented by Buffalo Wildlings. I'm Greg Royce, shown by Stevenson, head women's basketball coach Jackie Boswell. And coach, from wins and losses standpoint, kind of a tough week for you guys. A couple of games in the Mac against, you know, teams of the top half. But, you know, I think some positives to take away from both games as well. So if you just want to talk about how both those games win and some of the positives. Well, I think the positives are that, you know, the first quarter of the Lebanon Valley game and the first half of the Albright game probably played our best basketball, you know, just player for player and just execution of the offense and the defense. Unfortunately, just couldn't sustain that for 40 minutes. Little concerning at this point of the year, but, you know, just regrouped yesterday at practice. We need to, you know, know what's on the line, know what's at stake and just mature from that. You know, we are still really young, but that is only in the sense of just age, you know, we've got a lot of freshmen that are playing a lot of minutes. So the expectations and pressure should be there. And we talked a little bit about that yesterday and tried to how we're going to handle that. Right. At some point, you know, the youth is one thing, but like I said, they have almost a full season of college basketball under their belt now. So at this point, like you said, you know, maybe it's time to, you know, not use that as so much as a crutch for more as, hey, you've got a lot of experience. You've played a lot of minutes. Is that kind of message of the team is we need to play more complete 40 minutes? Because like you said, obviously in stretches, you've played well. Yes. Just, you know, at this point, we just got to find that maturity. We got to find that leadership that's going to allow us to play for 40 minutes. And I think we also have to find some confidence. I'm not really sure why our confidence might be wavering right now. But, you know, when you look and we're really going to focus and film today on all the positive things that we've done. And when you look at those positive things, you have to take nothing but confidence from there. And so hopefully we can build on that and convince them that, you know, they are where we think that they are.   So I got to see that one. But that was, you know, probably, like you said, one of the best stretches all year. I mean, that's a team in Albright that, you know, beat Tuster earlier this year. Right. Right. So that's a, so that's a pretty good team that, you know, for a half, you played better than just the second half, you got to play that whole 40 minute game. Right.  I mean, second 20 minutes and see what happened. And it was like we punched them in the mouth. They punched us in the mouth. We just didn't recover. So we just got to figure that part of it out. But we are running out of time, you know, so time is of the essence and the pressure is on. So we'll see how we deal with this pressure and adversity coming up. Yeah. And obviously, I think it's not getting easier. You go up to Messiah tomorrow night to play up there. And then you're back on the road again on Saturday. So obviously, you know, time to figure out it's now. Yeah. We're definitely running out of time. But, you know, I think I still believe in this group. I think that they can do it. And I think that, you know, today's practice will give us that, hopefully that confidence that we need. And there's no doubt we're going to learn from the film and that we're going to step up and do what we need to do. All right. Well, thanks a lot, coach. And best select this week and we'll talk to you next week. Thank you for Jackie Boswell. I'm Greg Royce. This has been the Jackie Boswell show.


Good day! Welcome to our webinar on electrical and electronic engineering and applied computer science programs at Saxon University of Applied Science. My name is Davide and I am a student assistant at the International Office. I am here today with Edmund and welcome Edmund. Thank you. So my name is Evan Schaefer. I've taught here at Saxon University of Applied Sciences for the past five years. I teach in electrical engineering in the Applied Computer Sciences department, focusing primarily on subjects to do with renewable energy. Next to that I'm also an advisor and coordinator for the Saxon Smart Solutions Semester and I do research in the chair of sustainable energy systems. Thank you. So what is going to be the structure for our webinar? We will first get a bit deeper into the electrical and electronic engineering program, see what are the highlights of this curriculum, and then move to Applied Computer Science, then talk about internships and this smart solution semester, which is probably something you haven't heard of before. And then talk about the career opportunities. If you have any questions during the webinar, please feel free to ask them in the live chat. So we will now start with the electrical and electronic engineering program. The reason why I came this far to study is because the tuition fees, first of all, were affordable and also I wanted to get a different cultural experience than back in my country. So I thought it was a great opportunity to both study in English and get to know another culture. Plus the education here is of a higher level than in my country, so that was of a greater advantage. I think it's a really good idea to study abroad because you get to know a lot of international people, first of all. So you're not only surrounded by people from your own culture who speak your own language, but you also get to know different cultures and different people coming from different places over the world. And you're all sharing the same scenario, which is both studying in another country and overcoming some difficulties that involves. So I think it's a great opportunity that everyone who has the chance to take should do. Here there's a lot more opportunities than back in my country. To begin with, the government provides with scholarships for people who cannot afford to pay their own tuition fee. Plus if you're still struggling with your money, you can also work and get a grant from the government that helps a lot of people to come here to this country to study. That's something that we students appreciate a lot from how this country works. Other opportunities, for example, are during the middle of Europe, and then you can travel basically all over. Also transportation here within the country is really affordable for students, so you can get to know many, many cities and do short trips. And I think that's pretty good for us. For me to overcome the cultural difference was not so difficult because I travel a lot back when I was 16 to 18. I travel a lot around the world, I would say. But still it's a struggle to go to a country where you don't speak the language. That's the main difficulty also, the weather and all the activities are different. Also the culture of the people and their behavior is different. So I think you just have to approach people from this country and try to adapt to what they do. And also see why they do it this way, right? And I think that's a good way of interacting with the culture and overcoming the difference between yours and theirs. Even when the studies are taking out of my energy and then you should go to classes, prepare for your exams, and also do your internship and final thesis, my ultimate goal is to have my own company and work for myself. And I think that not only the studies and what you learn prepare you for that, but also the fact that you do an internship and a thesis, which is like a final internship in a company, allow you to see how the market works, right? How companies work, how projects are done within a company. Plus you also study with a lot of international people so your network is quite broad. So that allows you to have different options and different points of view about the different topic or business, whatever you want to work in. The studies help me to get to my final point both by providing me theoretical and practical work. So on one side you have all the teachers in your school who help you solve doubts, gain more knowledge about something, or they can give you tips about how industries work so you can decide by yourself if it works for me to go there or not. Plus when you go to a company and you do an internship, then you can really see how is it working there, right? So you can have an overview of how the industry where you want to work is.  Electrical and electronic engineering. The first thing that comes to my mind is, is there a lot of math? Well it's a question we get asked a lot. Dealing specifically with electrical engineering, yes, math is involved. I would say it is one of the main building blocks of our course. The thing about it is though, we don't really expect any prior knowledge from our students. We get students coming from all over the world to follow this course. So it's harder for us to know 100% exactly what kinds of prior education, prior mathematics that we'll have. So our solution to the problem is, in the first year and then part of the second year, we basically start maths from more or less from scratch. And we only teach the maths that you specifically need for the course. So something like algebra is very important. Algebra will be one of the first maths courses you have. But it's only going to be specifically linked to the elements that you will need to complete electrical engineering. Okay, cool, thank you. And so does this, does it go the same way also for other subjects? So I don't need to have any prior experience for any of the subjects? No, not really. I don't know if you remember your high school physics, but we start pretty much everything from zero. If you know a little bit about something like programming or you know a little bit about something like hardware, what a PCB is, maybe how to solder, that's okay, but we do start everything from the beginning. And also when I think of engineering, it comes to my mind definitely a lot of theory. I come from Italy and in Italy we have a very theoretical based academic experience. How is it here? Like is there a lot of theory in the program? Well, it's kind of one of the very nice things about studying the Netherlands. The approach here is more from the practical side and it's a university of applied sciences. So generally what will happen is in a quarter of a period of 10 weeks, you'll have theoretical subjects and next to those theoretical subjects, you'll also be dealing with practical problems. Usually the practical problems in the first year start very base. It might be something like programming a coffee machine, for example, that's one project we traditionally... That's nice. Yeah, that's very cool. Something like that and then in order to complete the project with a group of people, so let's say somewhere between four and eight people, you have to think about the theory that you're taking at the moment and the theory you've done in previous quarters and apply that to the specific situation. So it's kind of very, very nice because you're not just taking exams and then moving on to the next thing, you're really thinking about the application of the theory in real-life situations. That you do constantly then throughout the fourth year, right? Right. Yeah, okay. That's really nice. And also you have two specializations, right, in the electrical engineering program. Yeah, so we have two specializations. They have abbreviations which I won't go into now, but we have one that goes more in the power and automation direction. So think renewable energy, sustainable energy. Think about PLC automation, kind of automation of factories, things like that. So one direction and the opposing direction, you look more towards microcontrollers embedded programming, embedded systems and things like that. The way I usually like to think of them is if you have a scale going from hardware to software, the power side or the automation side is more on the hardware side and the embedded system side is moving down that scale more towards the software. So you kind of get a balance of both. In the energy side, we do focus more on hardware and the embedded system side and the microcontroller side, it's kind of a 50-50 balance, I would say. Okay, so if I'm more interested in the hardware part, I should choose the energy part of the program. Correct. And on the software part, yeah, the software part, then the other part. Correct. That's the general way our students choose. One more point I should also mention, specialization is from the second year, so you get an entire year to kind of see what's going to kind of what your specialty is, what you like to do, and there are some certain key subjects that you can focus on and if you like those subjects, you're more predisposed to like either the microcontroller side or the power side. And do I also get some recommendation because I can imagine they're still like in the first year, you're a bit overwhelmed with so many different new subjects and still maybe you cannot make up your mind and take the decision for your next years. Like, do I get some inputs also, some support from teachers in the choosing part? Definitely. You can always ask the teacher from specific subjects what they think. Every student that starts at Electrical Engineering gets a specific mentor that they will follow them through the four years and this is something you can always discuss with them and if they don't know the answer, then they'll always be able to point to the person who does. So it's a decision that we really do want to help our students make. Yeah, that's wonderful. Thank you. We will now have a video interview with Marius, the alumni of the Electrical and Electronic Engineering program and see what Marius has to tell you. Hi, my name is Marius Tanachel. I'm from Romania. I studied Electronics Engineering at Saxion and I've graduated in 2014. Looking back at the time I had at Saxion, one of the most memorable experiences I had was testing one water cannon. I had to build the electronics for the water cannon and basically you put water balls in this big box and they launched them really up in the air and I had to figure out how to test it, so I took it to the parking lot and I think by today you have about 50 water bottles on the rooftop of Saxion. The most valuable thing I learned at Saxion was actually entrepreneurship. From an early stage the teachers teach you how to think as a company. So all the projects we did were established with a secretary, there was a CEO, there was a CTO, everything was done in an entrepreneurial way. With the cot I think it's quite easy to cover because of the Dutch labor market. We're now in Amsterdam and the parking are much higher than it was in Esfade. To live, for example, I came from Romania where I already studied for two years but I was looking for something more practical and Saxion offered just that. You had your own toolbox, you had all kind of machinery you could use and all kind of equipment and the teachers saw that you put that effort and they rewarded you for that. They gave you even more interesting things to do. So it was definitely worth the effort. The curriculum that I studied was quite broad. You could have went into straight technical things then you would have been specialized but you also had an overview so I had a course in business management, I had a course in also economics so you have also an overview and that really helps with what I'm doing now is now I'm doing consultancy for smart city applications and I can go really technical and I can build prototypes which have been done and I can also have an overview and discuss with the client the bigger project. Alright, so we have just seen what the electrical and electronic engineering program is about but then applied computer science, is there again a lot of math for engineering because this is something that scares a lot of students. Yes, it's one of the questions we get specifically from applied computer science students and people who want to do that perhaps. Yes, there is some math involved. The first year for electrical engineering and applied computer science are identical with the exception of three subjects. So there is still math involved but the application of math is slightly different. Electrical engineering, it's more of a math based approach anyway. Applied computer science, you have to have a knowledge of the math but it's used less. So I would say I wouldn't let the math scare you off. Yeah, that's very good. And then can you tell us something about the program itself? Like what is like the most important subject for example or like the core point of ACS? Well, I would say when describing electrical engineering we were talking about a scale going from hardware to software and when you look at ACS, it's very much focused on the software side. So electrical engineering is still more hardware based and electrical science is way down the scale more towards the software side. Describe it as being software with a little bit of hardware. The actual subjects you do things like Java and databases and things like that. We have the advantage of working together with electrical engineering for the first year. As I said all the subjects except for three are identical. What that basically means is if you're in doubt which one of the two you should choose you can always switch from one to the other. Students tend to do that. They find out that they like programming and they like hardware more. So within the first year with no extra charge and it usually doesn't cost you any extra time you can switch from one to the other. And I would say like we see sometimes students who want to focus more on the software side don't find that they have enough of that in electrical engineering and make that decision. And then you mentioned Java actually. Do students require previous knowledge of programming language? Or do you start from scratch as it is for the math? We start from scratch generally. We tend to notice students come in with some prior knowledge but it's definitely not needed. But I would say if you're looking to start this course and you kind of want to know about programming my advice is always download a tutorial make a hello world and see for yourself before coming. I did another word as well myself. It was in C++. C++, yeah. Okay, good. And then is it also very practical, very practical subject? Well it's along the same lines as electrical engineering so you have the practical side, the theoretical side and then the practical side and also the projects themselves. You'll be working in labs as well exactly like electrical engineering. You'll be doing some work in laboratories. You have your own laptop so it's not just the theory itself it's also the practical implementation of that theory. Okay. And so yeah, as we said it's from the same, it's a program from the same academy and so do you want to say anything else about the differences between the two programs or do you think we'll say just with hardware if you're more interested in the hardware part and electrical and electronic engineering, right? And then the software part is applied computer science. I would say that. I would also say kind of one of our main advantages is the fact that we do it this way we're the only college in the country that offers applied computer science in the same department as electrical engineering. So one of our advantages is that we have a lot more hardware knowledge. So what does that mean? If you're looking more towards maybe programming front ends, things like web design, things like that you should definitely be looking at software engineering but if you're looking at more of a microcontroller practical approach to kind of programming for directly to hardware I would definitely say you should be looking at applied computer science instead. Okay, yeah, I think this is really clear and if you also have like more specific questions you can just ask them in the chat. Okay. So then we now move to the third and fourth year where you can choose for your smart solution semester or have your internship and then write your thesis and do your minor. My name is Javi Kutsela. I'm professor of international world technology at Sachsen University of Applied Science and I am presenting the customer of this project. The assignment was derived from a large project called Green Source and Green Source is a project lasting almost for six years in total. It's supported by the government of foreign affairs including companies from the Netherlands and also counterparts in South Africa. The role to support the company is that they have to supply the components. In fact, Green Source is a concept. It's a concept of harvesting rainwater by means of collecting it under artificial pitch by means of some kind of grates and that water is being filtered by a membrane system and then offered to primary and secondary schools as drinking water. So in fact, what we are doing is combining say drinking water with sports. So the subtitle of Green Source is also sports for water. I am Michael Kohertman. I'm studying chemical engineering and we worked on this project the last 20 weeks. I am Nick Krupp. I'm from Haagsbergen and my previous study was mechanical engineer but in a lower level than I'm doing now. I don't know if it was really technical. I was more the social guy in the group, I think. Hello, I'm Supreet Sudhama. I'm from India. Go abroad for the studies. For example Erasmus or European Project Semester. It would help you a lot because you are going to share your ideas. You are going to share all your cultures. You are going to speak a lot of things. You are going to meet a lot of people and you are going to socialize yourself. That makes you open up yourself. So I feel that it's a very good job. Hello, my name is Luis Pérez Martínez. I'm from Cartagena, Spain and I study now telecommunication engineer in a specialty of telematics. So my background is more informatic with telecommunication. My role in the project is head of monitoring part because our project is a filter water system so it was very important to see in real time if the systems work properly and what are the values. It is about rainwater harvesting. So in South Africa it has been already installed right now all around four to five it has been installed. And now this is about the pitch. So we have the soccer pitch over here. It's about when it rains under this soccer pitch all the dirty water is going to be stored and all the dirty water is going to be pumped to the filtration system over here and then it is going to provide a good water to drink. That's really cool. So we have to see how the first and the second years look like but how about the third and the fourth which type of subjects or projects or just activities can I expect? Well in the third and the fourth year you don't have any or very many traditional subjects anymore. Those are all in the first and the second year. The third and the fourth year are built from four different categories. You have a suction smart solution semester, a minor, an internship and then a graduation internship. Okay, I've never heard like many of them as a prospective student but I'm really curious what is the smart solution semester actually about? Well the Saxon smart solution semester is relatively unique in the country where the only university of applied sciences that does it. We have projects that come from either our research institutes here at Saxon or they come from companies in and around the region. Projects that are inter or multidisciplinary by design. Meaning you can't solve them as just an electrical engineer or just as a programmer. So we have groups of students, four to eight students that work together full time for six months and they try and come up with solutions to these problems and actually design or develop something. The interesting thing is because they're multidisciplinary you have to work together with people from different academies. So as an example one of the projects I had last year we had students from electrical engineering computer sciences, industrial product design, small business, fashion and textile was also a part of it. It's a strange combination. But you'd be amazed how many combinations there are especially being an electrical engineer or a programmer. You're kind of the backbone of a lot of different types of projects that almost happen in other spaces. So it's something really interesting that we can offer our students learning how to work in these multidisciplinary environments which is really crucial especially going forward and going on to the job market and it needs to come. Yeah exactly, that's also what I wanted to say because you prepare these students to work with people with a different background. So to understand the differences now they can complement each other when working on the same project. Yes, learning about what other people can do what they can offer you and also the idea of being able to explain what you can offer someone else that's a very very crucial skill that you will need later on. Yeah, awesome. And then talking about orientation to the job market we have the internship and what can students do for the internship like does Saxon give them the company or are they free to choose their own company they like? Well for the internship itself we keep it relatively open so we want students and are actively promoting students to go into companies I myself get lots of invites from companies and lots of assignments from companies I pass these along to students it's a responsibility of the student themselves to find an internship but we do help with that. They can choose companies in the Netherlands, in the region many of our students go abroad so they go to places like Vietnam and China on top of that if they don't necessarily want to do one in a company they can also choose to do one in one of our research institutes here at Saxon so doing maybe something with a subject that they're really passionate about maybe they did a project for the Saxon Smart Solutions semester and then they think oh well I'd like to continue with that I'm going to do an internship for the same chair or for the same company. There is something that really caught my attention you said that you receive a lot of assignments from companies does it actually mean that companies really value the quality of the education of the programs? Yes, definitely. We have way more assignments than students generally it can be sometimes tricky for students coming from abroad to find something if companies prefer German speakers that's a point as well but on the whole we find a lot of companies are really willing to open themselves up to international students it also kind of helps that we're very flexible with the third and fourth year so we don't say you have to do this in a specific order the only thing we say is that graduation has to be at the end even there there are a couple of exceptions to do with the minors anything else within the third and fourth year you can basically decide when you do what so if you find that internship but it doesn't start until September and it's February now maybe you decide to do a minor right now or maybe the Smart Solutions semester projects we're offering maybe there's not that one that you'd like but you do see the minor that's starting in another college that starts right now you're more than free to do that as well. Great and then you mentioned the minor but how does the minor actually support the development of the knowledge of the student like is it a boost also for the internship and then the future career of our students? That's a good question something that we look at as well as we want to make this a personalized course which is why we give so much freedom in the third and fourth year but another thing we offer is the idea of a minor that can be filled in with more or less anything you want to do there are some boundaries of course but you can look at it from one of two perspectives you could either look at it from trying to broaden your base of knowledge so maybe do something that you wouldn't do with an electrical engineering maybe with mechatronics, maybe go towards small business we have a lot of students who want to become entrepreneurs who want to start their own companies so they go and do a minor to do with small businesses or starting their own companies that's one way of looking at it, trying to broaden your base of knowledge the other way you could look at it is to deepen your base of knowledge so let's say you really like control engineering or you really like programming in a specific language you could choose to do robotics and mechatronics which is a lot more in-depth and detailed than you would get in our general the first two years of our course thank you and then it ends with the graduation, right? so students have to write the thesis that I guess everything is practical here it will also be practical oriented, right? it's not just theoretical well yes and no, students are free to choose what types of graduation assignments they want to do so we see kind of this broad scale again of more of a design concept, a design realization so actually building something or doing steps in a design realization so maybe just the design and not actually the implementation and on the other side we see students going more towards applied research so trying to do more background research into if a concept is even feasible and then you have everything in between so generally for all of our graduate assignments you see those two components and you're kind of free to choose whatever assignment puts the emphasis on the component you like the most so if you're more into design more, if you're more into actual based research maybe you have the ambition to go and do a master's degree later on you could focus more on the research side nice, so there is quite some flexibility it's definitely a graduation assignment okay, great, thank you and now I think it's time for us to see what are the career opportunities afterwards alright, so after your graduation you have this beautiful piece of paper very important, your Bachelor of Science, right? so what can you do afterwards? you can maybe choose to continue with another study program or you can start your career right away how about a master, like can students go right away into a master program? well they can do master's degrees afterwards the only thing is if you're going to go to a traditional university for a master's degree after being here you have to do an extra six months what they call a change program the good thing about the program though is especially if you're going to go to the University of Trenta so the local, theoretically university we have here you can do that six months as part of your minor so instead of doing the minor as we just described you could decide to take this change program instead and then directly after your Bachelor's start with a master's degree and there are a wide variety of master's degrees that you could do we have students that decide to continue with electrical engineering or embedded systems or computer science we have students that want to go more towards the management side maybe more towards a specific element like sustainable energy and you can do that here, you can do that at other universities across the country or abroad right, and what if instead like after four years of studying still a very practical approach to my studies I really cannot wait to put my knowledge into practice and apply it in the workplace so can I go straight away into and start my career actually like is what I studied suction enough to have a good job most definitely, the thing about electrical engineering and applied computer science is it's a very broad topic the very broad topics in general meaning usually when you go to a company a lot of companies will have training shifts for six months a year, two years and then it's the time where you're really going to start focusing on a certain subject we give you the foundation and the overall idea of what electrical engineering or applied computer science looks like and then you have to kind of pick out the specific parts you want to use when you go into a job and we see that our students are in very very high demand especially in the region and in the country an anecdotal story I have last year so in June I had twelve graduate students ten of the students had been hired by the company before they finished the graduation oh my god that's incredible and it's not an exception we see it's sometimes a little bit tougher for international students to get into this position especially if they want to stay in country but definitely not impossible especially if you're willing to maybe learn a bit of Dutch you're going to work in a more international company maybe you're going to work for an international company and they'll find you a job in the country that you come from who is from China he worked for Philips and then he eventually was offered a job Philips Shanghai things like that occur quite often our students are so in demand and there is such a lack of engineers right now that it's really a good marketplace when you first get into the marketplace and you also have big names because Philips is not like a very small company so you can do a good career and develop yourself further you also have other examples of company because maybe our prospective students are really curious to know how to start dreaming we have definitely Philips I myself work at Siemens and I know students who have worked at Siemens we have a Siemens division not too far from here also companies like maybe slightly less known but also as big a company like Eaton Eaton is a multinational company that makes certain hardware solutions focused on the energy grid and they hide two of my students about halfway through their graduation and I have two other students now and I fully expect them to be offered jobs then you have the bigger companies as well you have again ASML for example and Eindhoven ASML is the biggest chip producer in the world I believe the biggest or the second biggest but then you also have a lot of small companies and start-ups we kind of have a good start-up culture in this region so then you're also going to look at have smaller companies be able to take those opportunities as well or maybe even start your own company that's wonderful so whether you are looking to start already your career or like you still want to continue with a master with an electrical engineering program and apply computer science you will always do a good choice definitely great now we have a short video for you with some tips for international students my name is Abidjenio Mersha I am an associate professor of unmanned robotic systems at the research group of mechatronics here at Saxion University of Applied Sciences my specialization is on aerial robots which people actually commonly know them as drones one of the things that actually distinguishes from scientific universities are the research and role for the educations that we give here are more applied oriented so it's not really fundamental research or fundamental theoretical education more on the applied so basically our role here at the University of Applied Sciences is actually to bridge the gap between the scientific universities and the industries so basically we are the technology innovators technology developers so you get a lot of possibilities here at Saxion University of Applied Sciences in order to not only learn but also to actually develop new things even have a good feeling about existing systems using all the components that are actually available it's not only theoretical but it's more a combination of a theory with a practice for example the things that you actually see here one of the research lines that we have at the research group of mechatronics is unmanned robotic systems which I am the associate professor for and it covers the unmanned robotic system covers the unmanned aerial robots which are commonly known as drones ground robots and even including underwater robots in most of the projects that we do together with companies together with other international partners be it in European projects or national projects or regional projects that we actually collaborate with industries regional industries or national or maybe even European wide industries we involve students and students are actually involved in every of the activities the applied research activities that we actually carry out and students this is an innovative recharging station for aerial robots it's really new and innovative which actually enables to use Aerial Robots 24-7 by being able to recharge it and this is what has been also developed not only by researchers that we have but researchers and lecturers together with students and the students get the possibility to actually work on real innovative activities it's really important to emphasize here that the students actually get also the opportunity to work closely with companies so at the early stage they get the experience the working ethics and also the professionalism that they actually are supposed to have when they join industries that's actually the unique thing that we provide here at section the unique opportunity compared to other institutions alright thank you AVG and do you have any deeps or anything you would like to add then I think I have two things I always get the question should I do this course and I always ask people like does it look interesting to you to be an engineer the world is really in need of engineers right now I'm not going to lie and to be honest if I'm really honest I don't even really care what type of engineer you want to be just be an engineer the thing about it is you really have to kind of like engineering so it should at least look in a passing fashion interesting to you if you don't have enough knowledge about what both these courses are so far that's fine you'll find out when you start but I would say as a tip only do this if you do have a passing interest please then if you do think you want to be an engineer really do engineering my second tip is one that I always say during our open days one of the biggest mistakes our students make is the idea that they're going to start their career when they get their diploma and walk out the door it's actually not the case you start your career the minute you walk inside these doors when you walk in the building you're going to meet teachers who have 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NASA today unveiled to the public its new X-59 plane, an experimental aircraft that will demonstrate the ability to fly supersonic while generating a gentle sonic thump rather than the normally loud sonic boom, once the X-59 completes testing, NASA's quest team will select several U.S. communities to fly the aircraft and gather data on how people perceive the sound it produces, meticulously engineered it produces a gentle thump, a mere whisper compared to the disruptive booms of the past. So this breakthrough really redefines the feasibility of commercial supersonic travel over land, said Pam Melroy, NASA's deputy administrator. The X-59 is going to break that barrier, meticulously engineered it produces a gentle thump, a mere whisper compared to the disruptive booms of the past. So this breakthrough really redefines the feasibility of commercial supersonic travel over land. It brings us closer to a future that we can all understand, cutting flight time from New York to Los Angeles in half.


The most useful corrections techniques in the EFL classroom Whether in the classroom or at the grading desk, the word corrections might bring to mind an answer list or possibly a red pen For English language, linguistic and spelling errors are generally the focus of these corrections However, where English language acquisition is concerned, such a focus can interrupt the natural flow of conversation and even set the learning process backwards This post was written by our ITTT graduate Petra W. Kutus before criticism In the classroom, a good first rule is to offer Kutus before criticism During lessons, major errors are best addressed during the portion of the lesson dedicated to study and practice The nature of the skills being honed, as well as age group and class size, should be considered when deciding a method to achieve this For group one, two learest students, games and songs with repetition help drill language in a fine way Repetition of mistakes then, risks enforcing them Teachers should try to vary activities around target language and let students self-correct instead Activities that engage total physical response, TPR, and multiple themes and intelligences will also help this information sink in at the unconscious level For group two learners, learning is self-conscious The teacher should consider likely mistakes when preparing study materials and decide how each of these can be addressed in a way that will minimize calling out individuals Also, since older students can learn through reading and writing as well as listening and speaking, the teacher can make use of group and pair work Students can learn through teamwork and in the meantime the teacher can check any individual's progress less publicly Errors in writing In the case of errors in writing, outside of requisite testing, red pen remedies should be avoided Simply crossing out the wrong answer and writing the correct one is faster when checking papers, but when working one-to-one with students, it is as effective as tending a garden with a lawnmower Red marking leaves a glaring reminder of a mistake rather than evidence of things learned Instead, teachers should guide student writing and rewriting whenever possible letting students self-correct their own words This will preserve the student's self-confidence and help him or her build personal learning strategies In both groups, feedbacks phrasing is also important, saying, oh, that's close You've almost got it, is far more motivating than that's wrong This is true of classroom management in general, don't run, is not as effective as saying walk slowly In conversation, communication strategies like echoing, reacting, and questioning will serve as cues by which students can judge their own clarity and attempt self-correction Prompts can also be effective, but it's important not to hijack the conversation Students learn the language more naturally by using their own words and thoughts Direct correction should be a last resort if they are even used at all Are you ready to teach English abroad? The temptation to control mistakes by simply marking them can seem easier, but in the end, it demotivates students It turns meaning into formulas and success into a number Whatever the correction strategy, a teacher's focus should be on the students, always with the goal or helping language acquisition develop as organically as possible In the end, these will be what make correct and effective language stick Apply now for your TEFL TESOL certification course and start teaching in a matter of months Speak with an ITTT advisor today to put together your personal plan for teaching English abroad Send us an email or call us toll free at 1-800-490-0531 to speak with an ITTT advisor today


Let me give a cheer.  Thank you all for joining us. My name is Brian Hobbs. I'm the CEO of Proven. And I myself as well as Demetrius Williams who's on here as well, my CTO of Proven. We are, as you know, reactivating the hyperledger meetup here in Atlanta. I think the last time this group met was 2017. So this is going to be interesting for us to get this restarted. We'd ask you guys to help as much as you can with this group because again, it's 688 people in this group. But as you can see tonight, we're very, we don't have as many people. So since 2017, we're not sure where everybody is, but we want to try to get them all back. But we want to make this experience fun, make it informational and definitely help people out who want to learn more about hyperledger. So today, we do have Arvin University. We have Matthew Russell from Arvin University, the RFID Lab. We'll be speaking today for our first group meeting here. We'll continue this and hopefully right now we'll do this on Thursdays at 6. We started at 6.30 today, but the intent is to be at 6 going forward every month. You still got to decide on the actual date, but we want you all as you did with the survey to give your input. So with that, I'm going to let maybe Demetrius chime in and then we'll hand it over to Matthew. Okay, well, I'm just going to be real brief because I want to get into the talk with Matthew given my opportunity. But as Brian mentioned, I am the CTO of approving and we're excited about getting this hyperledger group started again in Atlanta. And so we would love to get your help in making that happen.  So with that being said, I'm going to turn it over back to Brian and then Matt. I guess Brian doesn't want to say anything. I can go ahead and begin.  All right. Double duty here. So go ahead. Go ahead, Matt. All right. Thank you. Cool. So I'll go ahead and give a background before I before I start presenting. My name is Matthew Russell. I've been currently a student at Auburn University. I work for the Auburn University RFID lab. And I've worked there for about two and a half years at this point. And what we focus on is primarily identification technologies and how we can use those from a technical perspective, but also what the business value is for using those in the retail and apparel supply chain. But then we're also looking at other spaces to like food and grocery, as well as aviation. So being the RFID lab, we focus a lot on RFID technology and how we can use that kind of in different use cases. But the projects I've been on, I currently lead the data initiatives at the lab for a lot of our retail and apparel projects. And I've been kind of on various projects throughout the years, but really focusing on that and focusing on the data capture piece, the serialization of items, the data quality, and then also the data exchange. And that's the data exchange piece is really where we see blockchain and hyperledger fabric specifically kind of as an opportunity to be used. And we ran a proof of concept to actually evaluate that in the supply chain. So I'm going to go ahead and share my screen here. It looks like I need sharing privileges. So, I guess, Brian, if you're able to give me screen sharing privileges, that'd be awesome. Okay, should have it now. There we go. All right. And I know we have a pretty small group here. So if you want to stop me at any point as I'm going through this and ask questions or you want me to clarify anything then definitely feel free. It's a relatively short presentation, so it's not like I'm really trying to get through all of it. But all right, we'll go ahead and jump on in. So, like I said, I'm with the Auburn RFID lab and we really, you know, have grown through the years looking at how we can use RFID in the retail and apparel space. And over and over again, we'd work on these projects where we're looking at kind of the entire supply chain. So all the way up to the factory and then down to the store and then all the distribution centers and warehouses and everything in between. And we'll be trying to capture these RFID tags that are being put on clothing items because kind of throughout the years and a lot of big retailers have pushed it. There's been a lot more demand and kind of mandating of putting an RFID tag onto a clothing item at source. And they do that for a couple of reasons, but primarily in the store, they will use it for what's called cycle counting. So if I'm, you know, in a retail store, like, you know, I'll give Walmart as an example. And I'm in the apparel section. If I want to get an idea of what I actually have on hand, then traditionally I would go through and scan the barcode for every item that's in that store. And none of us want to do that. No one wants to do that. That takes a long time. And they only do that a couple of times per year, if that, because it really is a pretty involved process. And so RFID, what that does is allows them to not only assign a unique identity, but also read those tags in a much easier fashion. So, instead of establishing a line of sight with every item, then they can, you know, put out a radio signal with either a handheld device or a fixed infrastructure or something like that, and then read all those hundreds of tags in a matter of seconds rather than just a few tags. So then they can get a better idea of specifically what they have on hand more often and drive up their inventory accuracy numbers. So that's kind of how RFID began in the apparel space. And as we began looking farther upstream, we realized, well, you know, we're, we're tagging these items at the factory, and they're going all the way through the supply chain down to the store to be used. But why can't we capture this data at every point along the way in the supply chain, and then leverage that. We ran into a problem of, there's not really a great way to share this data or change this data in sort of a democratic way. When we begin looking at, you know, complex trade networks, you can't just say, okay, we're going to use this one platform or have this one solution provider. So we needed something that's that's sort of distributed and easier for individuals to tap into. So, all I guess to say that we put together a working group to kind of work through some of these problems, and then jumped into an actual proof of concept for what that would look like and you can see here we had Nike, Macy's, Kohl's, Herman K, and PDH as the partners that were on that project. And we wrapped that up in December of last year. And then now we've moved into the pilot piece, which is what we're working on and I'll get to some of the details on that later. Kind of like I was saying earlier, what we're traditionally looking at in the supply chain is very siloed. So this ASN here at the top that represents the traditional flow of data in the supply chain, generally, and that's really point to point so a manufacturer would say to a supplier, Hey, you know, here's the advanced shipping notice for what I'm supposed to be sending you. And then the suppliers pretty much blind until the products actually show up. And then even then it's difficult for them to validate and double check everything to make sure it matches up so they really just trust the manufacturer and what they say they're sending. And the same goes from a supplier to a retailer, or even a retailer to their own retail store. And then shifted from that's, that's called G 10 data. That's a global trade identification number. There's a lot of acronyms on the screen. So, you know, bear with me here. But all that is just like a barcode again, that's a quantity level basis. So the manufacturer would say hey I'm sending you five white t shirts. And that's the only, you know, that's as granular as that data gets. So, like I said we've kind of shifted towards the RFID data, which is serialized. So then, okay, you know we can distinguish each item, it has an identity, every products I guess. But even if we're capturing that data for each of these unique items at every point, we're still not sharing it it's being siloed, which you can see here on the bottom of the screen. So we're not leveraging it to, to really communicate what's going back and forth. So, when we begin to look at the blockchain and how we can implement that this is kind of the general idea of, rather than having the serialized data be siloed at each point. We create something that's no longer unidirectional, but allows greater visibility for the supply chain partners. So the data to the blockchain network and the manufacturer can say, Hey, here's the individual items that I'm sending you the supplier and supplier can see that before they even receive them. And it is so much easier for a supplier or retailer or anyone to validate and say, Okay, let me make sure I got what I received when they have a known ledger of what they're already expecting. Because then they're not operating blind. So that's the big idea. And there's a couple of different business values or reasons that you know individuals and supply chain might want to do this. And that is these numbers here. And so this is from the retail and apparel and I think it includes grocery as well. But the supply chains, and we're looking at about $100 billion of counterfeiting cost each year. And, you know, this is pretty ambiguous. A lot of this is also unknown claims is estimated to be around $35 billion and shrink at about $50 billion. So claims is when a supplier would send a retailer or any manufacturer supplier any two partners would have a disagreement on what's being sent. You know, so retailer would say, Hey, you know, I was supposed to receive 10 but I only actually received nine items. Let me let me issue a claim for that. And then shrink is really lost or unaccounted for inventory. And that would be due to theft or administrative errors. I think the idea is that we really have no idea. Otherwise it would be classified differently. And so these are huge problems in our supply chain, and we don't have great visibility into, you know, how we can resolve these or what's actually going on. And that would definitely ease some of the pains and that's what we believe in what we feel blockchain can help us work towards. So these are the partners that helped or contributed data to the proof concept. We split them up into three different data streams or three different channels by that. So hyper ledger fabric offers the channel function, which allows us to kind of create a partitioned off space where Macy's for example wouldn't be able to see calls data. So it was vertical going from encoding data at the manufacturing level all the way down to the store. Herman K Macy's were a partner pair and then pvh and coals were also a partner pair. And the primary focus of this is really looking at that handoff point between the two partners. So a brand and a wholesale retailer, because that's what we're most concerned with that's where those claims are going to arise and those disagreements come up. So when when Herman K for example, would send something to Macy's and Macy says hey wait, you didn't send me what I was asking for, and then they just go back and forth on email trying to figure that out. So that's kind of what we were looking for and you know how we could ease those those pains with blockchain. So we broke it down into three different steps. The first being to identify the systems and the stakeholders. You know, looking at the supply chains of each of the partners, looking at who controls that data. Who, you know what points can we even get data where you capturing data in the supply chain, and what sort of system systems do you have and how can we gain access to that. And once we identify those data streams of, you know, where are you reading the RFID tags, or the case codes, and different things like that. We really had to work to standardize them. And that, that's a huge part of this and that's what we spent a lot of the time on was, you know, we have to make sure we're speaking the same language if we're going to have a common network among us. And so we use EPC is, and that's an event based standard that's been defined by GS one, and that sort of captures the context of what's happening to a product in the supply chain. And that was was hugely important. And that's what we feel is going to be the future kind of language of business at least in the supply chain for product based events. And then the last step was to actually integrate this data. So we've identified where the data is coming from how to get it, we standardized it, and then then we actually integrate it into a common network. And that's a hyper religious fabric based solution that we put together. So again, this is a focusing on EPC is here, it answers the questions, what, when, where and why. So what item is going from point to point, at what time, what's the location of that and then why, what's going on is this item being shipped or is it being received. There's a whole kind of vocabulary that GS one is defined. And I know that standards are usually boring, but they're pretty necessary. And so it's definitely something that's, that's really important. When we begin to kind of move towards a common platform like this. And then finally, we integrated into the blockchain. So this is kind of the exciting part, the new part. And we worked with the IBM blockchain platform. It's relatively easy to use, we didn't have to code a lot of the parameters of the network. But we did have to put together client applications in the front facing web applications actually, both right and read the data that was going through. So, each partner that was contributing data to the project could go in and upload their own data, but then also read the data that's in their specific channel. As soon as their partner that they're working with or uploading data with put something in and they can say, hey, you know, I can make sure that the items that I sent have actually been received and can see the history or see the story for every single product. And that's where we really want to get to is a common place where a supply chain stakeholder can go in and really see the entire story of each of their products. They're going through the supply chain because right now they don't have great visibility into that. There's a lot of data here I can send out this deck afterwards everyone that was on the call, or not a lot of data but a lot of information, because I think it might be helpful if you've got more time. And then finally, ultimately we had about 223,000 RFID tagged items that were accounted for from source to store and that's, and that's kind of at various points, not all of them were all the way from manufacturing to the retail store. So that was 223,000 items that we saw in our blockchain. So key takeaways. We were able to see that, you know, blockchain actually does work, we can use it to exchange data. But the reality is that the transaction speeds are pretty low. What we were able to get to was like 25 to 30 transactions per second, which, you know, I know now with fabric there's been a lot of testing for higher transaction speeds and we obviously are a group of students from a university. But we did work with the IBM team and some other individuals on this and compared to traditional systems and it is by default. It's efficient. And so I think it does need to be proven as scalable before we begin actually using it to exchange data. Because that's what we were doing was taking data itself and exchanging that, rather than using it as like a validation of some sorts and only storing hashes or something like that and that's what I know a lot of other projects are doing. And so that will probably be the route that we go in the future but that's something that we're still kind of exploring. But then beyond that, EPC is key, or really any standardization is key. I said it earlier but I'll say it again that a common platform requires a common language. So, you know, regardless of what sort of network you have for those data inputs you want to make sure that those are in some sort of standardized format, because that makes things a whole lot easier. So data quality is paramount. And, you know, as they say garbage in garbage out throughout this entire proof of concept that we ran we didn't focus a whole lot on that quality of the data that was actually going through some of the some of the RFID capture systems that were reading items were reading 70% of the items, and they only had them on, you know, a small subset of conveyor lines in those distribution centers. And then we when we really look at, you know, what does this look like in production, we really want to make sure that that data we're sharing on the blockchain is is accurate. And that really encompasses everything that's that's going through. Otherwise, if we're sharing something that can't be deleted, and then we have to append, you know, we don't want to have 70% of our only 70% of our data being correct. So that's what kind of going out of. I've got the launch the chip pilot is kind of what's next, going into the chip pilot we're really focusing on that data quality piece because that that's really important to get the business value out of an exchange mechanism like the blockchain. And you can see here on the right side of the screen. Again, we want to look at the scalability and the performance of blockchain. I think we're still a little bit early on for for some of the demands that we're seeing in the supply chain space, although there definitely are use cases that the blockchain could be applicable for. And also look at vendor neutral networks and multi cloud deployments, because when you know when we're in a space where there's a lot of players, and someone has to be controlling that network. And that's going to have to be a neutral sort of entity, because, you know, no one, no one's going to participate if you say hey, you know you have to give all your data over or you have to control, or be controlled by this one organization, that they may not trust. And that's a really big inhibitor. And so a lot of people have brought up that they're concerned about. So, you know, making sure that we really do have a neutral environment that can support different cloud systems or different cloud deployments. And that was a huge concern or I guess, key point from a lot of our participants in the project in the workgroup that we've had. The next next for us is also to look at the pilot, which is really focusing on, you know, now we've we've identified what it looks like to exchange data, but if we were to exchange that. What are the business implications of it. And how can we reduce those things like claims and shrink. And what are some of the benefits we see from capturing serialized data and communicating that in the supply chain. And that's really what we're focusing on now, but we found that we really need to get that quality data, and make sure we're capturing everything effectively, before we begin focusing on how we can actually share it, or how we're going to share it. And that's, that's kind of where we've been the past few months on this project at the lab. And that's obviously been slowed down with with COVID and everything so we're going to be continuing with that into the next year. And that that's really adding in that last step here of, you know, identifying standardizing and integrating but actually analyzing. And that's the end goal is, you know, if we're using blockchain, taking things like smart contracts to leverage the data that's on that chain, and actually analyze it to derive a business value for what does this mean how does this help us, because that's what's going to get a lot of the supply chain stakeholders on board. You know, that's all they're looking for is, Hey, how much money is this going to save me, or how can this make my life easier. So that's the part that we're really looking into and focusing on now. And here's some more information about that smart contract piece and how that would actually work. This is pretty complex, but essentially, you know, taking the data on the chain and verifying it with, you know, what's supposed to be sent versus what's going to be sent and then creating an alert for if those don't match up. But again, I can I can send this out, if you would be interested to take a closer look at it. So that's, that's all I've got. I know I kind of rushed through that so if anyone has any questions, or if I didn't clarify anything or you want to go back, feel free to speak up. Please don't be shy. Definitely want this to be an active interactive experience and thank you Matt Matt for for this great presentation so hopefully we'll get a lot of questions here. I have a question. Yep. Okay. How many different distribution centers were there. Oh, I have to think back. I think we had. I think it was me, let me run back to the slide with the partners and try to recall usually have a slide that the kind of details the individual ones here. So we would have had one for each of the participants so five so five. Okay. Yeah. And when I guess, having worked some of the IBM in the past I was curious. Well first I guess how many nodes did you end up having. That's also a good question in the actual network itself. Yeah, or more specifically, I guess, well, yeah, did. I mean, we had a node for for each point that was contributing data into the chain, which thing would have been. I have to go back and look, it was either two or three for for each partner pair someone had one. And then that was again split out into those channels. But I had to look back and get back to you know but it was multiple per partner. Okay so you maybe had as many as 10 to 15. Okay, and I mean I was asking that question for a number of reasons but you said you worked with IBM on this did did go through all IBM type nodes was provided from them or did you other use other things outside of IBM other nodes. Yeah so they were all provided by IBM, and that was through the IBM blockchain platform, and then it was supported by the IBM cloud. So that's something that, you know, we kind of got a little bit of pushback on was was that truly blockchain if it's all, you know, kind of centralized in that one space. And so that's what, you know, looking at in the future, how can we bring in other solution providers or service providers in different cloud deployments. I think that was, that was a big concern, or not concern but just kind of something that the end users were asking for. Yeah that's kind of why I was asking the question you know because sometimes they, they say they're giving you nodes but they put you in one particular farm, if you will, and not that that's necessarily bad it's just that's been our experience. That would might make provide some indication of you said you had a low number of transactions per second. So, you know it's, there's a lot of variables there but that's what I was asking that question for okay. Thank you. Yeah. Yeah, and that's, that's we didn't. Yeah, go ahead Daniel. Oh, can you hear me first I'll just want to be sure you can hear me. Yes. Okay cool. The question was pulling back to talking about your web app and the design of that and stuff was, how did you go about designing that and everything. Because, I mean, most of the blockchain tools like composer from the research I've done there, it was deprecated back and I think what August 2019 I think it was. And did y'all just build it from the ground up or did IBM help you out with that or like and how'd you kind of link it through with the your blockchain client in the platform and everything. Yeah, so we, that is something that we did build from kind of the ground up independently. And I wish I should have brought some of our technical team members on to here because I know they definitely be able to answer some of these and a lot more detail. So we, they were able to communicate so we would upload to the web app. And that would go through to the client and we kind of tailor each client to feed into the blockchain itself for each different data stream that we were getting so that would be like each individual node. So we had smart contracts to upload the data in the format that we kind of predefined. But we did, we did build the the web app and the client independently. And I don't know, I believe they use API is to communicate with each other. But I'm not 100% sure.  Yeah, no that'd be great. Yeah, because, like, from my experience, like, they had a great tool there, I don't know if you ever played around with hyper ledger composer, but it was a fantastic tool. I mean, you could build a whole blockchain application I mean, as bare bones as it was I mean you could build in 45 minutes, and then like they just got rid of it and it kind of really from a front end perspective of developing a web app. Like, there's nothing that has come out that I am aware of. There's nothing that's come out since that I mean I've heard of many fabric which is like I've kind of heard they kind of dabble on that but it's not like a tool that is dedicated to helping you develop a full front end web app essentially to interact with your blockchain platform. I'm just curious. Yeah, yeah and ours was ours was pretty crude. I mean it was nothing, nothing fancy but it was essentially, you know, quick here to upload a file, and then click here to get an output of the data that's on that but the their IBM's blockchain platform itself is in a way it could be kind of the front end, because it allows you to see a lot of the stuff that's actually in the network. But yeah, we haven't looked really into some of the options for that either. So your interface was real basic like you said it was like, like an upload a PDF for an example and you just click and then upload it and then I mean there's probably a little more to that obviously but the gist of it was like, in the transactions kind of what the history of the distributed ledger what have you and then like upload a PDF or something to that extent. Yeah, yeah, and it was they the partners would use an API to tie into that. In some cases, to actually kind of automate that process. And that's, that's really what pushed us to, to have that web app was, you know that makes that process a lot easier. But I know that was we, we ran into the problem of like querying a lot of different items at once and ended up having to. I think at the time like mirroring what was on that chain. You know, letting us that function, because we, we really honestly we didn't have the time to really build out and explore that function as much as we would have liked. Right. Okay, cool. Have a question similar follow up. You know what application development tools they they used on the front end I mean did they use JavaScript or any particular development tools. Um, I'm not certain. I feel like it was but I'm going to take note of that and I'll confirm that and then I can, I can send you an email with the information on it. And the database that you used. Did you, most of these are non sequel, did you guys use a non sequel that so what was it. Um, I know it was non sequel. I don't recall. Well, I think by default hyper load or fabric, I think uses level I think is what it's called and then you can use couch I know as well. Yeah, so I, it was, it was couch. That's what it was. Okay, thank you. Yeah, and I apologize. I'm not the most technical one on our team so I'm, you know, I'm not able to answer a lot of these questions but I can, I can get back with my team and answer anything that they have, and get back with you guys. Hey Matthew, I have a question for you. Yep. Yeah, if you don't have the answers you can always get back to us. You use it as a nice presentation so I have just six months of experience and I'm solving something similar problem in supply chain electronics. So, you bring up a very valid point. The carbide is something coming out without the data is a malicious if it is counterfeit data or recycled product data. We are not going anywhere. So, in this case, I see the slide the brand or the retailers of it's the data. But let's say most of the companies they are using their outsourcing their manufacturing. They don't have any specific country here but it's a reality they're outsourcing so they're outsourcing partner sometimes it's their entity in that country or sometimes it's a totally different country they just put a label, and they just done. So how to make sure that if manufacturing entities outsource what the data they are providing is legitimate. So, yeah, make sure in this blockchain. Yeah, and that's, that's kind of a difficult question that we've run to because some brands may be using hundreds of different factories to actually produce their items. And it's very difficult to manage the data that's coming out of those especially when it's going on to a chain because you know you can say, Well, once that data is on the chain and it's secure and we can trust it, but you have to trust the quality of it before it even goes in in the first place. And so that's, that's a difficult question that we're working through right now. And then we're beginning to look at is, you know, how do we honestly you need to have some sort of auditing program to go through and check some of the data that is coming out of these locations that are all over the world. And how do we get to the point where we can actually trust it. And you know that kind of probably varies or depends based on what sort of data that you've got coming out and going in working with RFID data. We're working on kind of a general process or a way that you would go about actually auditing the data and verifying that it is, you know, legitimate and is accounting for everything. But, you know, needless to say that it is really important to think about, because I think a lot of people hark on the security aspect of blockchain. But, you know, that doesn't help change malicious data before it even goes in or incomplete data before it even goes in. So I got one quick question. It's kind of a crazy question, but I figured I'd ask it anyway. So why did you pick hyperledger fabric versus something like hyperledger grid because grid was from what I understand was designed for supply chain. When it was being designed so I was just curious why fabric versus like the other platforms or frameworks. Yeah, so I, I wasn't even at the lab when this during the kind of inception of this project. And so that was, that was before my time when they actually decided hey we're going to roll with hyperledger fabric. But that was also before grid was was really released. And so I think fabric at the time was kind of the best option for a private information blockchain. I think it just made the most sense to the earlier that was on the project at the time. Right. I mean I know fabrics probably the most supported I guess would be the right word of all the frameworks out there. I know it's all to picking up some recognition to send was just curious. Yep. There's a lot of you know when you look at the GS one standards for barcodes there's a lot of there's about 11 I think primary barcodes that although there's plenty there's in the 10 or 11 that's widely used.  Yeah, so we, it was a mixture of both. I think it was a mixture of having conversations of, you know, we, we want to get to a point down the road where we have this standard. And right now, particularly with the serialized data in the RFID, you know everyone's kind of doing their own thing and exploring what that looks like and so we were able to push some of them to adopt that GS one standard the EPC is, but it was about half and half of some of them chose to adopt it and use it and send that through. But the other half, we just ran it through a an application as part of the web application was it would actually convert that data into the proper format before sending it through to the client. And that was that was another function of why we wanted to have it go through a web app in the first place. But ideally, you know long term, they would produce it from the output. It would be good if it was really standardized but I figured you probably wrote some kind of a conversion interpreter, or something like that. Now, I mean I know it's the university that did that but who actually paid for the servers and stuff IBM I mean they're not.  Now, yeah, so that was like a research education grant from IBM. So the university did not have to direct the pay for it. I don't recall how much it actually costs. I would have to reach out to them and get those numbers. That's something that we didn't really look into. But you know I've, I've heard from people that some of the prices that you know IBM Oracle or some of the other providers, some of the prices for these services are kind of up there. And, you know, I think that's something that we could have taken into account when looking at how does this compare to traditional data storage or communication methods. But yeah, I don't we don't have a an exact amount. That's a really good question now. I think that's a valid point. Thank you. I think I haven't looked very recently but last time I looked I think for the production sizes 1500 a month but don't hold me to that and then there was a smaller tier that I think was 500 a month I think don't hold me to that but that's kind of the ballpark I'd say about what they're charging you monthly. Yeah, and that's what, like, kind of moving to the second phase of once we kind of get down the data quality part, and begin to look at what is the actual business value here, like how much can we actually reduce these costs is when we were going to really jump into. Okay, well, you know how worth it is this, because that's a big question that we're getting from all the end users is, you know, yes, this is, this is all right, but how is this going to save me money and what does this actually cost to do and how do I do it. And, and we don't have great answers for any of those now, just because that hasn't really been explored by anyone yet. Any other questions. There's no more I've got some of these noted down so I can get with my development team and then I think I should be able to get your emails and send you kind of a follow up from this. Well, that would be great. Sure we have somebody made a comment in the, in the chat. Or a day long. Say multi 12 maybe not quite sure. I think you might have said that when I was talking about the grid between grip grid and fabric, maybe I think as well as all that pop up. Okay. Okay, any more questions anyone else. I got one other question you said you on your, on your couch. You're pretty sure they use couch. Did you have some students that were really well burst in couch, or, you know, how did they start using that, or did you use somebody outside the university to develop the database side. So that was, that was students on our team. I think the one that primarily managed that actually graduated so I have to reach back out to him, specifically but I, from my understanding they had pretty significant database management experience, just through classes and other projects and things like that. But also a lot of particularly with fabric, you know, they had to, they had to learn just about everything because it was pretty unfamiliar. And so, I don't know exactly how much they, they kind of had to learn on the fly. But I know that they did have experience using kind of database functions like that. Okay, thank you. Any other questions. All right. Well, well, first of all, I would like to thank Matt again for the excellent presentation that he gave tonight. Definitely was a lot. You know, good information here and I hope we all can take some things back from from what he presented and maybe do some more investigation. He's going to provide the slides to the group. So, and he's got a couple of follow up questions that he's going to research and get back to you guys on. We'd like to, we're going to probably send out a survey just to get some feedback from you guys and how we can approve and what you liked and what can we do better with but we again we still encourage you to reach out to others who are interested in this space, because we're really trying to grow it again here in Atlanta and support the community. So, if you want to look out, we're going to do it again next month again at six o'clock and not 630. And you'll get an invite for that. So, with that, you guys have a great evening and thanks again for attending. And thanks again, Matt, really do appreciate you. Thank you, Matt. Thank you. Thank you all.