Good morning everyone. We are going to get started with our breakout sessions. This is winter production in a geothermal heated high tunnel. If with Eric Jellam, Eric received a serf farmer rancher grant to test this out. So we're excited to hear about his project today. Eric began farming in 1998 after moving to Iowa from Washington State where he worked for years for Washington State University at an agricultural research station. During that time he got his master's in soil science from Washington State University and he currently farms in North Central Iowa with his brother. Please join me in welcoming Eric. Thank you Krista, and I'm sure you're all glad you got reservations to come to this. Before I get started I should throw out a thank you to Sarah because I've had you know several seragrants over the years and for farmers that's about the only thing available. If you have a project you'd like to pursue that gives you a chance to do it and I've really been appreciative of that. So to get started here before talking about the project, I want to just do a little primer of geothermal energy. I'm going to use data from Nashua, Iowa because in the soil moisture network that is all over the state of Iowa, that's the closest station to us that has continuously recorded environmental data like soil temperatures. So the 50 inch soil temperatures that I'll refer to as we go through this come from Nashua. If I talk about eight foot soil temperatures, they're my own data from the eight foot deep loop for a dryer project that preceded this project. Fifteen foot depths I'll refer to. That's mainly discussion from geothermal installers and system designers. So this graph here is long-term average air temperature and just a three-year average of 50 inch soil temperature. I used long-term average air temperature because in order to keep from having a graph that gives you vertical you've got to do some averaging to have a nice smooth curve for air temperatures. So this is I think a 30-year average and then average by month. And I did that just to make some points about geothermal energy. So you can see the the darker curve that doesn't have quite the the amplitude of the oscillation is the soil temperature at 50 inches at Nashua. And the thing that I should point out besides the decreased amplitude is it's got a peak that is shifted later than the air temperature. And the deeper in the soil profile you go the greater that shift will be. So it shifts later and the amplitude of the oscillation is attenuated or decreases. So at 50 inches the difference between the high temperature and the low temperature six months later is about 30 degrees. If you go down to 8 feet it'll be about 20 degrees. And then if you go down to 15 feet it shifts later yet and the the peak rather than occurring in July like the air temperature peak it'll occur about the beginning of November which corresponds to the beginning of heating season. So the amplitude at that time then at 15 feet will be only five or six degrees above the average temperature and then six months later five or six degrees below. So because that that shift to the beginning of the heating season and then the the small decrease in temperature as you go into the winter that's become sort of a favored industry standard for placement of the geothermal lines. At that depth then and with the the use of directional boring machines that becomes more practical. So there's less pit digging and more boring to place these geothermal lines. If you focus rather than on the whole year just on the November December January February and March that's the winter portion of the year and you look at the average daily temperature rather than the averaging that I did before it gets awfully busy and if you want to look at what the low temperature would be rather than the average daily temperature if you just use your imagination to shift all these lines about 10 degrees colder that'll be a good snapshot of what the average low temperature is and so you can see how much variability there is from not only year to year but day to day and yet if you were to look at the same three years and look at the soil temperature it smooths out pretty dramatically. I mean there's a lot of thermal storage capacity in the soil and that's evident in how little busyness there is to the the temperature graphs. So it's it's reasonable to just average a few years and figure that year in and year out that's about what the soil temperature is going to be at that depth. So that's what I've done here and if you notice that at the 50-inch depth from the beginning of November to the end of March that temperature is slowly decreasing and if you had a line for eight foot it would be parallel and a little bit above that but up around 50 degrees there in Nash what probably 49 degrees if you went down to 30 feet it would be constant and so during the winter it would give you a little bit higher temperature and the Delta T is very important here. So at 30 feet normally wherever you go that temperature is going to be constant throughout the year it's also going to be what the well water temperature is. So open loop geothermal systems for homes are popular if you've got the water quality to to do that because you've got that constant temperature and they operate more efficiently. A closed loop system early in the winter can be more efficient but during the middle of winter and late in the winter and early spring an open loop because of its constant temperature will be more efficient. So that being said if we move into a geothermal system and just describe it a little bit I want to loosen up the linkage between the ground loop and the heat pump. Typically you know when we think of geothermal heating we think of a heat pump with a ground loop so we have a ground source of energy and this is our we just got a new heat pump last year because the one that we'd had for 24 years finally gave up and so the heat pump because of its refrigeration cycle can make use of this low-temperature ground heat. That's the beauty of it. A heat pump nowadays typically would have a coefficient of performance of four and what that means is that a fourth of the heat produced would be from operating the heat pump and the other electrical components related to it and then three-fourths come from the ground. So the circulating water through the geothermal lines is a very low input and very inexpensive to do. Operating the heat pump itself is expensive. It's just an electrical contraption. So if you didn't have the geothermal lines in there and just operated the heat pump you wouldn't get any more than you would having toasters or hair dryers there. The beauty of the heat pump is that refrigeration cycle then that can take advantage of the geothermal lines. So if you have applications that you don't have to worry about people's comfort level the geothermal portion of it is something that could be used alone. And if you don't have to have the expense of the heat pump heat pumps are quite expensive. If you don't have to worry about the expense and the operation of the heat pump is expensive as well then you could have a system that might up front be pretty expensive to install but then you'd have years of very inexpensive heat. So I don't want to rule out the heat pump because that may be one of the applications that you use the geothermal heat for but if you can get along without it then all the better. So having that geothermal heat available if you have applications that don't require a very high temperature what might that be? I mean my first project with geothermal was to dry corn which might take a little bit of work to get your mind around because it's low temperature but for small farmers or farmers that have bins that don't have very deep grain columns natural air drying is a pretty competitive way to dry corn. Competitive with high temperature, high capacity gas dryers that can get up to 220 degrees natural air drying just pushes a large volume of air through the grain and lets the drying capacity of the ambient air do the work. So for a limited time in the fall a month to six weeks that's the normal natural air drying season but it's also the case that if you cut the airflow rate in half you can do it for about 20% of the fan horsepower and so cutting the airflow rate in half and running the fan twice as long you can drive for about 40% of the fan cost. If you do that again it gets down to about 16% of the fan cost, the operating cost and the only way that you can do that is by heating the air because the air during the winter deteriorates for drying corn so that you couldn't get the corn drier than 18 or 19% without heating it and if you heat it with LP or propane you take away most of the advantage of drying slowly over the winter but if you use a low temperature, inexpensively acquired source of heat like geothermal then that becomes practical again. So my first project was to do that just dig in a geothermal line and in this case it was down to eight feet. It was an 800 foot trench, eight feet deep with three three quarter inch geothermal lines at the bottom and they went out in a trench for 400 feet and emerged into the greenhouse on our house where I could have a flow meter and temperature ports in a place to add in ingredients and let any expansion that needed to take place happen in a protected environment. We have a little greenhouse attached to our house. So then back into the ground pumped by a very small pump and back to the dryer where it went through a heat exchanger in the drying air stream. So I mean the pump here is a three speed pump. On low it uses only 60 watts and on high it's 87 watts. So not a very big pump to circulate that water and get enough heat to dry 3,000 bushels of corn. So you operate that all winter and it's not a very big investment. I mean the fan costs more and your fan size is pretty dramatically reduced. So for six years now we've done this. It's been a pilot project and it's been quite successful. So I was tickled with the results from that and I started looking at greenhouse heating and kind of took that up as a challenge. Although I'm not a vegetable grower so I have a neighbor who is a vegetable grower. Steve Strausheim is owner of Twisted River Farm which is just seven miles north of us. And I approached him to see what his interest was in collaborating on a project. And he's progressive. He likes new ideas and so he was pretty quick to take me up on it. And so I put up a high tunnel on our farm and he was the producer in a project that we got another Sarah grant for. And so he designed some trials with different vegetables, different varieties of lettuce and spinach and kale and onions. And he had broccolini. It's the first time I'd ever heard of broccolini but he just tried a scattering of different vegetables there. So my part of the project was to design the heating system and take the numbers on it, take temperatures and see what its performance was. And his was to be the grower and assess what the value of doing this was.  And high tunnels, they extend the season and they make the primary season warmer. But eventually you get lethal temperatures. And so having a heat source that was inexpensive to keep the vegetables from freezing had value to him. And for anybody else interested, they have to decide what the value is to them. But my challenge was to keep a temperature that was not lethal. And as far as he was concerned, that was about 20 degrees. And, you know, spinach is tougher than I knew it was. I mean, it'll take colder than that. Lettuce, probably the threshold there is about 20 degrees. So designing the system for the greenhouse was different considerations than for the dryer loop that I used for drawing corn. For one thing, as you can look back at the graph that we saw to begin with here, during the winter months that soil temperature is dropping, and it's bottoming out at 50 inches kind of in the heart of the winter. So you're down about 35, 36 degrees at 50 inches. That's in Nashua. We'd be about a degree colder up on Osage. But at the same time, if you look at the solar availability, that's bottoming out about the solstice, the winter solstice in December, and then in January, February, it's increasing and starting to increase pretty dramatically. So trying to make use of that solar energy and combine it with the thermal storage capacity of the soil in there, even though it was not a huge volume of soil, if you could replenish that heat in the soil by capturing some of that solar energy and storing it in the soil on a daily basis or whenever the sun was out, you go into a greenhouse even without a heating system in a January day that might be 10 degrees outside, you could have short sleeves on in the greenhouse. So there's available energy there to put away. So to put these side by side, the soil temperature graph on the left is at 8 foot. That's off of my dryer loop, and that's from this year's data. And then I just isolated the winter months for the solar radiation just to illustrate that combination of soil stored solar energy and actively collected. And so that seemed like the logical way to design a system for the greenhouse. It's just to put it entirely beneath the footprint of the greenhouse. So we went about doing that. I hired a guy with a trencher that would trench down five to six feet and he trenched. I put an inner loop and an outer loop, and then the very outer loop is just the perimeter of the greenhouse. You can kind of see the pinkboard sticking up. If I had a pointer here, I could point it out, but I think it's pretty easy to see that I put a four foot deep, two inch thick pinkboard perimeter around the whole greenhouse. And then the geothermal lines are in a vertical slinky. So it's a narrow trench that I could just drop that coil in and just pull it along in about a one to six ratio. So for every foot that you went, you had about six feet of geothermal line in the loop. And so the inner and the outer loop were separated by about seven and a half feet because this greenhouse was 30 feet wide by 54 long. So they were evenly spaced. And then I backfilled those to the top of the slinky and laid drip irrigation tape on top of that so I could keep the soil wet. And that improves the thermal storage capacity and the conductivity quite a bit. So I thought that was quite important to do that. And then backfilled it and erected the high tunnel. So at the other end of where this picture was taken from, the building that this is all attached to had a nice wall that I could arrange all the plumbing on. And the idea of the project was to reverse the flow daily so that when you're putting heat into the ground, you would have one flow direction. And then at night when you're extracting heat, you'd reverse the flow so that the water coming out of the ground would be a little bit warmer and maybe operate a little more efficiently. Doing that required quite a few valves and fittings and there's electronic solenoid valves and you can see the flow meter and the pump and it just gets to be kind of a busy wall. On the right there is a four inch diameter PVC pipe. That's just an expansion tank substitute and it's a place where you can add ingredients. So got it all set up, had two heat exchangers. I think they're two foot by two foot heat exchangers. Three row. And started the system going and got very disappointing flow rates. And so this is the portion of this where I have to make confession that with this few people, I don't see any priests in here so I'll just have to confess to myself. But I did make some mistakes here that were errors in judgment or just mishaps. One of them is that the geothermal line, which is the black line in my hand there, has an inner diameter that is quite a bit more than a three quarter inch PEX line and then the brass fitting is a three quarter inch PEX fitting which goes inside the PEX line. The geothermal lines are butt fused and so there's adapters or fittings that go over the outside of the geothermal line and so the geothermal line is technically three quarter inch but it's closer to seven-eighths and then when you put a fitting on that you're fusing a fitting on the outside of that so you're not occluding the flow and so it being already a bigger diameter I realized I should have stepped up a size when I came off the geothermal. They came out of the line and all the other fittings on that wall were black poly, some PVC. It would be the same diameter. I happened to be holding PEX which I didn't use and I could just as well be using holding PVC or the black poly. They're thick walled. The inside diameter is less than three quarter inch for a three quarter inch fitting. I hadn't really considered that. So the fittings on the wall were replaceable. I mean I didn't have to do any digging so I upsized some of the fittings. If you manifold three and in this case it was just two but if like in the dryer loop three three quarter inch lines if you manifold them together you should step up to inch and a quarter. If you're using poly fittings at that point I would say inch and a half to get the same kind of diameter that you would with the geothermal fittings. So that you know it's something to take note of. I don't think it was a serious problem. What it ended up being mostly well two factors the outer loop which was a longer of the two the inner loop is 600 feet the outer loop is 700 feet. I never could get the flow that I needed out of that. I could put a PTO pump on a tractor and put enough pressure to practically blow the system up and I could get pretty good flow out of it but then when I took it off of that and just put the circulating pump on it was some fraction of one gallon per minute. So that I'm calling a kink for I guess because I think it's most likely to be that it could be a clue to do something in the line whatever it is it wasn't working. I tried to to bypass a corner because when you drop that vertical slinky and you come to a corner you really got to round that corner off to keep from bending that geothermal line beyond a radius that it should be bent and I suspect that that's probably where a kink might have occurred in the backfilling process if I had well I thought about it quite a while afterwards but had I simply flipped that coil over so that each loop came off the one before it with a connection on top then I could have bypassed that corner with just a little bit of digging and made a nice radius curve and probably avoided that problem but live and learn. So the other problem that I kicked myself for not thinking of because it was fairly obvious once it occurred to me is that that drip irrigation tape once you put 18 inches to 2 feet of soil on top of it you smash it down pretty good and so it drips reasonably well for about 10 or 15 feet but not for the 150 feet or so that I needed in there so I didn't have any means of keeping that soil wet and without any rainfall in there and where the irrigation was just enough for the crops I didn't want to be doing my drip irrigation from the surface because I would be leaching nutrients out of the primary root zone so not being able to use the drip line that I put in just above the slinky I just didn't do it. I mean I could go in yet and put in drip irrigation line above the slinky but since we started this project there's been continuous crop production year round so it's a little hard to find a time to do that so some of these problems are soluble I guess maybe all of them are soluble with enough time and money to throw at it so collecting all that and thinking about it I think you know what else could go wrong we got started Steve got crops planted in there and then Mother Nature answered the problem what else could go wrong. With a derecho a couple years ago probably affected some of you in here 17th of December it seemed like it was affected quite a bit of Iowa and Minnesota but it came through and did its dirt in about 30 seconds and then moved on so this is what I came out to after I came out of the basement because I went down in the basement and about the time I got to the bottom it went quiet again I mean it sounded like a freight train coming through when I went but it just came and went in a hurry and what it had done to the greenhouse is torn a hunk of the barn wool by the tractor there thrown it up over the hay bine up over the hood of the grain truck behind the red grain truck 150 feet without hitting the ground and just inserted itself nicely into the greenhouse about two months after we put the skin on the greenhouse and before I got it added to our insurance policy so that was a big problem too and it happened fortunately to be a warm wind and the next day was pretty warm too it blew all night and so it tattered that plastic kept ripping it all night and the next day was warm but with cold weather coming that night so fortunately we had a number of good neighbors come over and we sewed a couple tarps together and pulled them up over to keep the cold out when it came that night but it was a problem it shaded a lot of the greenhouse and when that wind would come down the skin of the greenhouse it would find its way underneath that black tarp it just you could not make it very tight so about the latter part of January we had a warm enough day pretty brief day it was a race to get it on but we seemed in another piece of plastic and made it usable again so the first year's date is kind of a bust I'm not going to bother showing any data from that I'll show you this which we saw earlier but what's happening here is that trencher looks like it's going off of the footprint of the greenhouse it is it's going over to the bin behind which is the 3000 bushel bin that was my dryer project so there's an 800 foot 8 foot deep dryer loop for that dryer project that is only 50 feet from the end of the greenhouse I put that in just thinking it might come in handy as long as you got a trencher out there you might as well it's not all that much extra work or geothermal line it turned out to be very fortunate so we connected those up and for the second year of the project that interloop in the greenhouse went to one of the heat exchangers the dryer loop went to the other one so it was kind of a combination system that at least provided geothermal heat for the greenhouse this is just a snapshot of what the second year looked like using Nashwood data so it's a 50 inch soil temperature and then daily temperatures for the winter months there in November through March so you can see about the end of January we had the coldest night and then after that there really wasn't much challenge to the greenhouse so looking at the data finally month by month this is November November was not very challenging the blue line is the outside temperature we had two recording thermometers one was in the middle of the greenhouse just about crop canopy height and then the other greenhouse or the other thermometer was on the north side in the shade to collect ambient air temperatures so the blue line is the outside temperature and the red line is inside not much to show for November December got to be a little more challenging but so far we're keeping above our 20 degree threshold and this is not operating continuously this is on a thermostat so it comes and goes as needed so if you had it run continuously you could probably keep it warmer but if you don't have it on a thermostat you're wasting heat there's only so much stored in the ground if you use it when you don't really need it you're not going to have it for when you do need it so it's important to have it on a thermostat so you don't squander it and if you had a higher threshold you were trying to maintain you'd have to use it higher but I was aiming for 20 degrees just like Steve was hoping for and that's why it gets down to 20 a number of times there and looks like it's tenuous and it maybe was at those temperatures but it's still maintaining the temperature above 20 degrees January was the coldest and you see by the end of the month where it drops down below minus 20 the greenhouse temperature got down to between 16 and 17 that night still quite a difference from outside temperature but not quite the threshold the other thing that I want to point out here is how sharp how high those peaks go up during the day I mean you get up over 70 degrees that's way more than you need to so there you've got capacity to put some of that heat away if you've got enough heat exchanger capacity in the greenhouse so that's something that needed to be addressed the other thing that could have been done was to do some means of heat retention at night so if you had a blanket you could pull across at the bottom of the trusses you could even rig that up with a garage door opener so it was easy to do on a nightly basis that would retain a lot more heat in the ground and so if you put excess solar energy into the ground better than we were able to with those two small heat exchangers and you retained heat at night that dropping below 20 degrees on the last day of January probably would not have happened the other thing is that a high tunnel is really meant for season extension rather than winter production there are better designs for winter production that most of them have a well insulated north wall and the glazing is all facing south that's probably worth considering rather than trying to make a high tunnel design work for this kind of production so going into the third year which is this year I put in another heat exchanger so we have three heat exchangers in series here and they're all connected to the dryer loop so I took the inner loop of the greenhouse out of the picture completely it's all coming off the dryer loops just so it wouldn't be a hybrid system be a little easier to evaluate and as it turned out the dryer loop was doing most of the work anyway so going beyond the SARA project and not having a budget anymore my pocketbook started complaining about buying expensive components so this other heat exchanger is from a salvage yard it's a radiator out of an F-350 Ford pickup not a three row design I mean originally I had larger five row heat exchangers that we took up to Steve's greenhouse when he had a high tunnel before I did and so just to play around with heating with ground water we took them up there made another little error in judgment and made sprinklers out of them so those were out of the picture we got smaller heat exchangers but now added this third one in this radiator so there's more capacity to put heat away but with the dryer loop being outside the footprint there really wasn't a lot of point in putting heat back in the ground when the ambient heating and cooling was controlling most of the temperature fluctuations there I tried for a while just to see if I noticed a difference I did not so the temperature coming out of the ground is a function of what mother nature makes it so the only reason to run the fan during the day is to cool the greenhouse down if need be and there is a vent that will open automatically to help cool it down but there really isn't the same usage that the original design where you would put away excess solar energy for use at night I mean that would have been a good reason to run it during the day there's not all that much compelling reason to do that so hard to see in this picture but the line at the bottom of the radiator is where the water comes out of the ground and goes into the heat exchangers there's a temperature port there the heat exchangers are in series the last one has a line that goes back into the ground and there's temperature port there and so with that and with the flow meter that you saw in an earlier picture I can calculate what the heat flux is so this is the temperature at 8 feet that I'm measuring from our greenhouse on our house which is midpoint on this 800 foot loop so on milder nights when the heat doesn't have to run and there can be some equilibration with the ground temperature around the geothermal lines I can get an idea of what the ground temperature in general is doing and through the two months that I'm showing here it's dropped about 10 degrees and it'll continue to drop until it gets down to about 40 degrees later in the winter so that's just where we're at with that loop and then these slides got a little out of order so I just skipped this is the last slide I'm going to show you and I want to take a little bit of time to look at this because there's a lot going on here the green dots at the top are basically the slide we just looked at it's the ground temperature without heat extraction there's two snapshots here this has just been a weird winter I mean it's been warm it hasn't been much challenged to the system so the two nights that I'm showing here are kind of outstanding for what it's been what's coming up this week is going to be a good test but this week it's not available to show you so on the 28th of November it got down to minus one and on the 18th of December it got down to about nine degrees so the green dots, the row of green dots when you're extracting heat you can see how they drop down a few degrees there that's at the midpoint in the loop so the yellow X on the 18th of December that's the temperature going into the heat exchangers and so the blue X is the temperature coming out of the heat exchangers the orange box is the temperature in the greenhouse and then the triangle there, I can't tell quite what color that is but that's coming off the fan so off the fan it drops the temperature just going through the greenhouse because it's passing over the glazing and cooling off but from going into the heat exchangers and coming out there's about 13 degrees difference and the flow rate I don't show here but it was about 4.8 gallons per minute and so you can calculate that that's about 31,000 BTUs per hour and I didn't have the temperature ports in on the 28th of November but just projecting from the other temperatures I'm guessing that that was about 38,000 BTUs per hour so the cost for running the pump was 150 watts we're paying about a dime per kilowatt hour for electricity so it's about a penny and a half an hour to run that pump if you were to get 31,000 or 38,000 BTUs out of a gallon of LP it would cost you at a dollar and a half a gallon for LP it would cost you about 56 cents an hour or 68 cents an hour respectively so that's pretty cheap energy I mean if you can get by with the low temperature heat that geothermal is then you've got a very inexpensive heat source if you have to use LP you can see how much more it's going to be so if you have to have a higher temperature that's what you need to do but if you can get by with that low temperature it's very inexpensive so let's see I've got let me just quickly point out on that line where it shows the ground temperature dropping slowly at this point it's dropping below the average temperature which would be the well water temperature so from here on into the winter and into the spring that ground temperature is going to continue to drop at the well water temperature would be constant there is a device that I just recently became familiar with a company in San Jose California is produced and is just hitting the market now it's a combination of a pump and a heat exchanger that drops down a well so if you bore two wells and you pump out a one through the heat exchanger and deposit it in the other well the heat exchanger has another loop then that is goes to the point of use and in there they're most likely a heat pump but in this case it could be a greenhouse it could be a corn dryer it's a lot lower cost for installation and it maintains the constant temperature by using ground water so you don't have that temperature dropping through the winter something very intriguing to me that I'll no doubt pursue with that I think I'll just quit and open it to questions, suggestions any discussion I figured that I mean my brother helps on all these projects we farm together so he gets roped into helping a lot on this I hired a backhoe to dig the trench for the dryer loop down eight feet we laid the lines and did all the plumbing to connect them up it was cheaper than it would have been if you had had that done I mean it depends on how much of it you can do yourself but I figured that probably five thousand dollars would have done that system for the dryer loop I had a three thousand bushel bin that I was drying in I had more dryer loop than I needed for that I mean the last couple years after making sprinklers out of my big heat exchangers I had that radiator from that F-354 it was my only heat exchanger in the drying airstream and that was adequate to raise the temperature of seven to ten degrees so I could get down to fifteen percent corn with seven degrees and down to fourteen percent with ten degrees the greenhouse loop cheaper because less length of pipe the whole grant I think was about sixty five hundred sixty six hundred dollars and of course I'm a little shy about asking for too much because I want the grant and so I end up in each of my projects getting out of pocket but not terrible so you know probably four or five thousand dollars would have done that also if I had done the plumbing right if I had it to do over again I could probably that's one thing I forgot to mention it's in my desperation to get more flow in the greenhouse I up the size of the pump and it still wasn't adequate if I designed the system you know eliminating some of my errors I could drop that pump size back down and my operating cost would be a lot less so you know you're right in asking that because the cost of doing this is mainly the upfront cost once it's in there you've got years of low cost heat available there but that's why I bring up that device that I mentioned at the last there because it's a cheaper installation I mean boring wells if you got a fairly shallow water table twenty to twenty five dollars a foot I think is what the installer that I visit with periodically would cost to go down and maybe sixty feet would be enough our water table is pretty shallow but you need a well to drop this device in and then a well to put it back in or a tile and so you've got some boring costs there you might get up to ten thousand bucks on something like that but it's got more capacity than either of the systems that I've got so that would that device if I am costing that correctly that's for a six ton heat pump so it's capable with its design parameters of putting out about five tons continuously so it's pretty capable it would heat a larger greenhouse it would dry more corn that's just the smallest size that they make they make a six ton a twenty ton and a hundred ton unit and they're intriguing because they can cut the installation costs in half and the operating cost is quite good too any other questions yeah if you have an idea that you want to pursue Sarah has a period of time that you can submit a proposal and they also have help if you need it for grant writing and the years with the university I've done enough writing been involved with enough projects that I haven't made use of that but it is available and the proposal then you flesh it out with all your expected costs and what your expected results are and it gets reviewed by a committee that I think is made up of producers and university people maybe some industry people imagine that team rotates but it's got quite a few eyes from quite a few different backgrounds looking at it and evaluating it I think there's been about a 40% funding success in recent years something like that and so if you've got a good strong proposal you're pretty likely to get funded depending on how much you ask for and I haven't pushed that envelope as much as I probably should because these projects always go over budget and this project is not something that I'm doing for remuneration it's more academic curiosity because I'm not benefiting much from it but geothermal is something that's become sort of a passion for me and it's something that I've thought about for years and now it's becoming more widely known that we need to do something about our use of fossil energy and if you could do something like this that not only eliminates most of the fossil energy use but also makes use of solar better and it's also cheap once you get a system installed that's sort of the ideal solution so thinking of applications for low temperature geothermal is kind of an act of the imagination and there are other things two years ago I think I air conditioned our house I bypassed our heat pump, used the duct system and I air conditioned the house just with well water our well water is cold enough at 48 that it not only could cool the house but dehumidify it the further south you go the more difficult that would be but it was quite comfortable for us I've been heating and cooling our garage our garage has a floor loop in it that I put in there thinking I would hook it up to a heater at some point all I've ever used in there is well water it keeps the snow and ice melted off the car in the winter and keeps it fairly comfortable to go out and do projects and in the summertime it keeps it nice and cool just run it once in a while when you need to cool it down some and if it gets too humid you can run a dehumidifier although I could set up a radiator out there to dehumidify also and just use well water for that so it's maybe 25 bucks a year to do that and it's a 28 by 30 foot garage so there's different applications that probably are just waiting to be thought of and climate controlled storage for example I read a article recently with a similar set of I didn't read the repeat article that they talked about actually cooling the green crops it might actually invent certain crops do you think that's a possibility? Well absolutely and that's the reason to run the fan in the summertime when I'm connected to this big loop that goes outside the footprint would be just to cool it you know I've got side curtain on one side that I can roll up probably four feet because I made a little extra tall wall and then I've got a vent on the end wall that will open up two foot by three foot I think is what that vent is sometimes that's not enough and so if you run the fan you can help cool that off the north wall of this high tunnel was facing what used to be a nice thick row of old spruce trees or windbreak and that derecho kind of took care of the problem of having a nice windbreak we still have some trees there but it sure thinned it out but at the time that I put the high tunnel up there wasn't much even scattered radiation coming in from the north so I insulated that wall and kind of wished I could have insulated up the roof of ways but that wasn't as easy so that north side wall is not something I can roll up it's just the south and the vent on the end so it gets to be a little difficult sometimes to keep it cool enough but usually rolling the side wall up is enough well thank you thanks for your interest


That was fun to watch. And as an animator myself, I'd like to point out that the very designing of such animation films involves a high level of collaboration. For example, in our film, Ham Chitra Banathe, we worked together with Sher Singh, a Bheel artist from Madhya Pradesh. Sher Singh and other artists from the Bheel community with whom we worked were quite shy to begin with. They had not even seen an animation film before in their lives, so they had no idea what the process involved. But as we began to appreciate each other's expertise, they shared many stories from their folklore, which enriched the film in so many ways. Later, Sher Singh and I did a storybook for children based on the same film. Let me share with you a small excerpt from the film. That was wonderful. And congratulations on the national award for this work. Animation is, of course, a great example of collaboration. So is any filmmaking for that matter. I was just thinking about that. Camera. Rolling. Rolling. Module 6, 2 by 2 by 2. Filmmaking is all about practicing collaboration. Here in the studio, we have so many people, each with their own specialization, coming together to make this series of videos for the course. The collaboration began right at the idea stage when we called on experts like you to contribute. And I, too, drew on other people's thoughts, ideas, books, the internet, as well as my own thinking. Then we put together the scripts and had various people read them critically. We have now come to the recording stage with all these busy people working around us while we appear to be calmly saying what we have on screen. I would like us to watch a video, which is specifically about collaborative design. This is from Auburn University in the US. The students in the industrial design program have worked on assistive technology devices for the disabled. This was a collaboration with the centers specializing in disabilities on their campus. Follow the link in the next tab to see the video.


Supporting paragraph structure In this video, you're going to learn how to write a properly structured paragraph. There are three parts to a paragraph. The topic sentence, the body, and the concluding sentence. The topic sentence is the first sentence in your paragraph. It contains the topic and controlling idea. The topic names the main or central idea of the paragraph. The controlling idea limits, controls, or restricts what the paragraph is going to say. Overall, the topic sentence focuses the information written about the topic in the paragraph so that it has unity. The topic sentence in the following example paragraph would be, The passing of an anti-smoking law in Toronto bars and restaurants is beneficial to business owners. The body of the paragraph provides supporting points, shows the development of the topic according to the controlling idea, and explains each main point according to the controlling idea. This creates unity. There are three supporting points in the body. The first point is, when restaurants and bars have a reputation for being clean, more people frequent them. Banning smoking in restaurants would boost sales. When people go out to eat, they would much rather go to a restaurant that is not filled with smoky haze that leaves their clothes smelling awful for days. The second point would be, also, when people eat dinner, they prefer not to have an ashtray beside them. Banning smoking would make restaurants more aesthetically pleasing, and more people would visit. And the last point. The smell of smoke also causes people to lose their appetite. If the city were to ban smoking in restaurants, sales would go up because patrons would eat more. Each of these points further develop the idea expressed in the topic sentence. The concluding sentence signals the end of the paragraph. It usually begins with the transition word to indicate that the paragraph is coming to an end. For example, using transition words, such as, in summary, as a result, and to conclude. The concluding sentence acts as a summary of the main points and ideas of the paragraph. It can also act as a transition to the next paragraph. The following concluding sentence effectively summarizes the main points in the example paragraph. Therefore, banning smoking in restaurants would encourage sales. Let's do a quick review. The topic sentence contains the topic and the controlling idea. The body supports and develops the topic and controlling idea. The concluding sentence is a summary of the main points and concludes the main idea of the paragraph. All three of these components make up a properly structured paragraph. Congratulations! You're now able to write a properly structured paragraph. Thanks for watching.


Welcome to Traderston, the Timmel Charter and Neapadrim and we want to update the Kiwi Dollar view. We have this ABC correction which can fit pretty much to the pit there at the quality objective. We have this initial advance of that corrected low and we're now looking for potential bullish continuation patterns. If we jump to the intraday timeframe, you can see we have this nice bullish advance yesterday and we're correcting that move now. So what I'm looking to do is set long positions through the 70-80 handle, certainly looking for a test of objective weekly range resistance and the trend line resistance at 71-28. If we can get through there then we look to target the 72-40 where we've got this R3 pivot cluster and we'll see how this one plays out. As always, Traderston, plan the trade, the plan and most importantly manage your risk. Until next time, thanks very much.


And then into your arabesque, walking out, watch out for that, back again, and then close your groins, react with the floor, give it a little bit of sprig mechanic work for there again. Slowly you're going to work through the white flap, then you're going to burst through the yellow pothos, ignore the potho in the middle at the minute, burst through the yellow and then walk back.  It's going to be harder because it's more intense on the press, can we play our way out? Take out that middle man. Not just from the one that gets it away, yes, but from the other two also. And you can use your voice. Two midfielders, three midfielders go with JT, two cent midfielders, no midfielders. Keep your weight flat. Accent's good. It's two for me, just got it. We, man, you're coming in for a one-two, round the mannequin and cross. So we share those emotions when we put a drill on. We want it to flow, we want it to work, we want you to enjoy it. We want you to get to learn, we want you to get better. Loads and loads of things. Thanks for doing that. We really appreciate it. Chaps, that's the end of your work day today.


If you're looking for a cost-effective alternative to zoom then you may want to check out vivo meetings and in this video I'm going to be giving you an introduction to the platform talking about its features its functionality and Running through some of the settings as well so that you can get the most out of it It's not going to be a complete full tutorial However, it should give you enough of an idea to decide if it's something that you want to check out for yourself And of course if you do you'll find a link to get a free trial down in the description Now before we get into it I do need to say right off the bat that this is a sponsored video paid for by vivo meetings However, all the views that I'm going to be expressing in here are my own and as you'll see I'm going to be sharing just the The basics and the the the facts of you know what it can do and what it can't do sharing the pros and cons as well And who it's right for and who maybe it's not going to be right for as well So with that said let's just dive straight in shall we and I'll start with giving you a very brief introduction to the interface We'll come back to this a little bit later But this is just to illustrate the fact that we are talking about a meeting platform So it's going to have all the usual things that you would expect to see We've got the bar down at the bottom here where you can do things like activate breakout rooms We've got the recording streaming as well. I'll come back to that. It's grayed out in here It's not activated on this particular call that I've got running. We've got a whiteboard built-in screen sharing obviously muting Mike Choosing the microphone and the camera settings down at the bottom there as well Then we've got things like raising hands and so on so interactivity with Participants and then you've got the usual things here So we've got a participants window that pops out a chat window as well and a place for polls as well and a place Obviously to invite people to the meeting as well So all of this is just to give a brief introduction to say that you know It's basically a meeting platform as you will be familiar with in many cases. They're so ubiquitous these days We've also got different views here. So you can have a sidebar view Bottom bar view and a few different layouts, but we'll come back to those in a moment before we actually get into the interface Though I do just want to run through some of these settings and maybe just touch on as well Why I'm actually, you know engaged in this collaboration Why it was something that I was interested to take on because I do get approached quite often by companies asking if I want to test stuff out whether it's software hardware or Platforms or whatever and I don't normally take people up on these these offers however in this case I was quite compelled to check out vivo meetings just because it happened to come at around the time There was a lot of discussion around zoom alternatives in amongst the members of the take one tech Academy And we've just been having conversations around Basically alternatives for zoom webinar Then also looking at ways to get transcripts out of zoom and a few other different options and talking about the cost of zoom When you start adding in multiple different add-ons it can become quite a large monthly expense So it was just sort of top of mind as at the time that I was approached by vivo And so I thought well, let me just check it out then and as I say I was quite pleasantly surprised by what I found there was also another feature that was really compelling to me, which was around the Resolution of the camera feed that you get because there is this issue when you are using virtual cameras from Platforms like e-cam live to go into zoom So just to explain what that is if you are new to the channel You don't know then all of my videos are made in one take with no edits using e-cam live E-cam live is basically a live video production software There is another software called OBS which is cross-platform for Mac and PC But what this allows me to do is do things like you know switch over to this scene This is just me pressing a button on my desk switches over to this scene I could switch over to a different camera angle if I wanted here we go It would help if that was in focus, but you get the idea I can switch back and forth between these things and do all of that live Well, if you want to do that into your meetings as well Then you can use what's called a virtual camera and that's fine when you are just using your camera going into the platform But sometimes if you've got writing on the screen like if I go over to my scene with the settings here If you wanted all of this to be read on the screen in your virtual meeting Then sometimes what zoom does is it degrades the resolution because it doesn't really realize that you're trying to share your screen It's just thinking that it is a camera And is this common issue that if you're in the e-cam live Facebook group then there's this common question that comes up all the time about resolution in zoom So one of the things that I was attractive to me about vivo meetings Is the fact that it has got this little toggle to allow you personally to just pick the resolution you want And I'll come into some limitations of that a little bit later on But that was also another compelling reason for me to take a look at this So with that said I'm going to go through some of these settings because as I started looking at some of the other features There was a number of other things in here that I thought are really neat Implementations that are just great from a meeting point of view. So let's just start then with going through some of these settings And by the way, this is another common thing that I get When people book coaching calls with me is, you know, where how do I turn this thing on or off in zoom? And certainly zoom settings have become quite bloated these days So it's good to have a much more simpler sort of effect simpler list I should say of of settings in here So I won't go through all of these as I say This is not intended to be a full tutorial But basically when you log into your Vivo meetings account on the desktop or indeed on the web The settings are going to look the the same there And you've got all the usual stuff here, you know, two-factor authentication, timezone, notifications, account settings I should say that when you go into each of these, you know, it's not just lists and lists of stuff They're all contained pretty much, you know, within the space of this small window So you're not overwhelmed with settings, but I'm going to start here though with audio and video settings Exactly what you'd expect. So we've got the microphone input I've got my roadcaster set there. You can see that as I'm talking the levels going up and down We've also got the speaker there So you can just select those just as you would you select your mic and speak it in other platforms We've also got noise cancelling. It's very easy to turn that on and off another thing too I've you know, I've got to keep relating this back to zoom because this is you know, the obvious comparison the zoom audio Settings are also something that are becoming a little bit more extensive these days And that is on the one hand potentially a good thing on the other hand. It can lead to confusion I would say 90% of calls that are booked with me when people book a consultation is generally audio issues Rather than video or anything like that and it is because of the complications that come with with audio so here you've got the option to just toggle on or off noise cancellation and Filter out the background noise I personally leave that off because I just manage all this in my studio space with my roadcaster and my audio setup Next you've got this option to toggle on to hold down the space to temporarily unmute again common with other platforms as well But this is where you just activate this and then you've simply got this option here to Either flip your display or have it the the way that everyone else will see it So I always have this one checked. I just want to see it as everyone else is going to see it I'm used to looking at myself in the in the screen, you know when I'm making videos and so on So I prefer to just have it looking like that some people prefer to have it sort of flipped so that it is effectively a Mirror image so that it's more familiar. It looks like they're looking in a mirror. I prefer to leave that just like that Now one thing you can do in here is change the camera And you'll notice that I've got my e-cam live virtual camera So if you are an e-cam live user and if you are on the current beta Then for sure you will have the virtual camera just show up there if you are not yet upgraded and you know this Likely within I would say a few weeks of me making this video The e-cam live virtual camera will just show up in there However, if you are on the regular version of e-cam and you don't see it in there Then I'll leave a link to some Code or I'll leave a snippet of code down in the description Which is something you just need to drop into the into the terminal But actually this is going to be a thing of the past the e-cam live virtual camera will just show up there for everyone Because they've changed the way that the e-cam live virtual camera works But basically when I turn that on you'll see that now basically what you're seeing right here coming out of e-cam is also going into vivo I'm just going to turn that back to the regular camera though. Just so it doesn't get to confusing So next up then we've got virtual backgrounds. I'm going to actually skip those I always just recommend anybody in meetings should not be using virtual backgrounds whether it is in zoom teams vivo meetings or any platform the quality of the Keying out of the background of the person is just not there I always think it's just more of a distraction than anything to have those in if you are going to have a virtual background I'd recommend and you're doing this for a Professionally then you should have a professional green screen and you know like in e-cam live We can just have a professional quality green screen key and then put any virtual background behind us But I tend to just miss them out all together on the the actual meeting platforms themselves. That said if you do go into here You're gonna have you know similar things. You can upload your own to them But yeah, I prefer to just give those a miss myself Next up we've got some meeting mode here So this is a really nice feature nearly skipped right over there But this meeting mode is one thing that I think is a great feature in here because I always talk about the sort of process that you go through when you are setting up a meeting and Then when people join a meeting and the different levels of access you might want people to have to chat for example You know if it's a meeting where everyone knows each other Then yes, it's fine for everyone to be able to go in the group chat maybe DM each other as well However, if you're doing a public event where it is people who potentially are complete strangers You don't want them to just be able to Direct message message people who happen to be in the meeting as well There's a whole load of sort of privacy concerns and things like that Around that one of the things that I like about here though is we've got these four distinct modes And so let's just go through these because it's a really great way of setting up meetings So that you know the sort of format of them in advance So if I go into this one, we've got the first type which is Conversation collaboration mode basically this is what you're going to consider as you know a regular meeting that you would have Been used to scheduling always so ideal for smaller groups team meetings daily stand-ups and so on so basically this is the critical thing here All participants can be heard joining the meeting Unmuted as a default all participants have full access to turn on their webcam. They can share their screen They can upload a document present a document use whiteboard and use text chat So basically it's a regular meeting anyone can do everything obviously as the host you have control over this But basically that's the sort of default the next one though is this classroom and Q&A mode And this is a slight different. We've got slightly different permissions here So although all participants can join the meeting they're muted when they come in as a default Which is you know how I always recommend setting up your meetings and all participants have access to they can activate their How their webcam and they can raise their hand and but only moderators will be able to share their screen Upload and download a document Present and navigate through a document and use the whiteboard and use the text chat So it's just a different level of permissions whether you are you know one of the and by the way the moderators are What you would consider to be co-hosts. So you've got host and co-host they call co-hosts moderators Which actually makes a lot of sense from a terminology point of view So you can just see that it's more set up for a Q&A and a classroom Setup the next one then is present presentation and webinar mode So already we're sort of bridging this gap between a meeting and a webinar because webinars are just built into vivo meetings It's not like other platforms the like where you have to have this as an add-on It is just built into there There are some limitations which we'll come on to but yeah here basically when you are in presentation or webinar mode The waiting room is active the meeting will not begin until the moderated joins and by the way You can tweak all of these settings on a meeting by meeting basis as well, but these are just some presets all Participants may join the meeting and they're all muted and they cannot unmute themselves So just like in a regular webinar people come into the meeting, but they can't can't unmute themselves They're non Vocal should we say and then we have the the there's no announcements So there's no audio that comes through and only the moderators or the host the co-host We'll be able to activate their webcam share their screen and do everything. It's basically a webinar mode The last one then is this one that is called focus mode and this is slightly different. So the features are all Participants can come in they can't unmute themselves They do have access to activate their webcam and raise their hand But only moderators will be able to share the screen upload a document and use the white the whiteboard and so on chat mode So the participants can only chat with the moderators So that is somewhere sort of in between I guess a webinar and the sort of classroom So just a slightly different level What's really great though is although you've got these presets and you can go in and make adjustments to this When you set up your meeting you can specify what type of meeting it is The great thing though is that you can actually just switch the type of meeting part way through Which means that rather than having to go through and you know toggle on a load of different settings on or off or whatever You could start in a webinar mode Let's say you want to do a workshop where you're doing a main presentation And then you're switching into a Q&A section afterwards Well, you could start out in webinar on presentation mode and then you know part way through After you finish the bulk of the content Maybe you want to switch it into a classroom mode where people can then come on camera and start asking questions And so I just really like this feature because it has got this idea of these distinct modes And also, of course, this is something that's not possible in Zoom is to start with a webinar and then migrate it over to a regular Meeting whereas in here you can just make that switch. So I really liked that as a feature I'll just quickly jump through some of these other ones So we've got a waiting room. You can have old music in the waiting room as well So if you want to add that in although I think that is one of the pro features You can decide whether you want to have people, you know the the chimes the sound effects when people come in or not And then you've also got this separate option here for a moderator pin. So this is when a Co-host is going to join the meeting you can have them join with a separate pin rather than having the meeting open to everyone They can just get themselves in and some other things here. I'll come to recording and live streaming So I mentioned this earlier. There is an option to stream so you can stream to YouTube You can actually stream to the vivo meetings platform itself and then embed that on your site And then you can also stream to any RTMP key So if you've got the RTMP URL and the stream key you can drop that in so you could technically be streaming from here to anywhere as well They've also got different layout options, which are very clear You'll notice but as well as I've been going through here, you know whilst we've got this list on the side This is the extent of the settings and as we've been going into each one You'll notice there isn't a big huge long list So it is actually very easy to go through these settings and just see exactly what's what and you're never really going to get lost In terms of where something is activated from Now if we look at the recording layout options, it's very easy to select these you can also do it during the meeting as well We've got the preferred layout for audio and video recordings and live streams. So we've got gallery view We've got the speaker down Speaker in the the side there and then the gallery down the left hand side or the speaker only And then preferred recording and streaming layout when someone is presenting So if you're you know, somebody's on spotlight or presenting a screen share or whatever Then you've got a few different options there as well So you can just choose how you want this to be But what we'll see is you can also change that during the meeting as well So those are just a few of the settings, but I mentioned this thing about resolution and this was over in here in audio Here is it's just flicked out my camera. Let me just put that back to the other one for a second Here's where you're going to set your your actual camera But if I come over into the meeting and I'll show you this specific resolution Toggle that I was talking about so let's go back over into the meeting because a lot of the things that I've just talked about there You're going to see in here as well. So for example If I come down to Where are we down here? The more we've got some settings in here So if I click on settings Then it's going to bring up some settings for this meeting itself And this is going to look very similar because now you can see that we've got that camera So I can change the camera for this specific meeting We've got the same things with the Rocaster there the chat message notifications is an additional one That's in here that you can toggle on but you can also then see we've got this option for resolution And this is where you can change this from standard definition to HD 720p to full HD 1080p and this is the feature that as I say I just really like the fact that it is so easy. It's so clear You don't need to be on a specific path plan with vivo meetings to activate this It is available to everyone. There is one thing to say about this though You're always going to be at the mercy of your internet connection And so it's whilst it is, you know a feature that you can turn on or off just as you know Your audio signal could be lost. So can your resolution be degraded by a poor internet connection? So it's not going to mean that you're going to get this guaranteed resolution regardless You know, even if you are on dial-up or something like that But it is something that you're in control of as I say and this is something that is different to zoom where you have to Go through all of these little hoops to to activate the group HD as it's called But even then if you're not doing certain other things like having your your zoom window in full screen and so on There's all these other little hoops that you have to do to have to jump through to get it to activate So I will just say though that once again, you know, it's not a guaranteed It's basically going to be dependent on resolution and so on but that is just something that I like But also in this settings here. I've talked about virtual backgrounds. I'm going to skip over that But here is where we've got the meeting mode and this is where you can simply switch between those different modes So at the moment, we've just started this in a regular conversation and collaboration mode But let's say that I wanted to switch this up and make it into a webinar Well, I would be able to just click on that there and then click on save and then suddenly now You'll see that I've gone full screen because we are now in webinar mode And now when I look at my other devices that are also logged into this meeting I'm basically front and center for them because we've now switched this up into a webinar Let's say that we've done the webinar portion now and we want to go back to a regular meeting So maybe we're going to go to classroom mode so we can click in there I think that's a great feature to just be able to switch in and out from from one to the other like that If we were if I did have streaming activated, I didn't activate it here But we would be able to control that from there. We've got recording There is also AI transcripts on the highest tier. I'll talk about the tiers in a moment But there when you record as well as getting the recording, you also get a transcript Plus an AI generated meeting summary as well One other thing about sharing, I like the fact that you can share your screen Obviously in the same way that you're used to but they've also made it really easy to share an additional camera So if you want to just add in one of your other cameras, you can just come and grab one of them I'm probably going to share the wrong one, but I'll just pick any one of these. How about how about this one? Let's just try We'll see which one. Well, that's my facecam, isn't it? So there you go If less, I mean probably wouldn't have the exact same shot But you can see that I'm just bringing in another camera So it might be you want to use like a top-down shot or a different angle or whatever But nice to just be able to quickly and easily add in that extra camera angle if you wanted to Obviously personally, I would do all that with with e-cam and just set up my scenes accordingly The other thing then is in the camera, you can obviously turn your camera on and off I like the fact that when you do choose your camera, it does actually pull in a preview of all of them So you can see, you know, which camera it is that you want to select I want to select. Let's go back to this one And then you've also got things like reactions and so on as I say, this is all pretty self-explanatory If I go into the participants, you'll see that you've got the more next to each one So you can pin somebody. You can also spotlight. If I click spotlight, I'm now on spotlight for everyone So I can see that I'm full screen over there for them I could spotlight somebody else You can also take somebody into a one-on-one meeting So if you were a moderator or a co-host, you know, if somebody was having technical difficulty Then you could just click on that person and just pull them straight into a one-on-one meeting I won't demonstrate that right now, but that's what that's going to do Or you can send it onto a waiting room or just remove them like that All fairly standard stuff really and then you've got the chat function and you can choose here Who can chat with who now that thing of those different meeting types This is where it's just going to apply these presets So for example, I would recommend if you're in a public meeting where you all know one another Then it's fine for everybody to be able to chat with everybody However, if you're in a more public setting where, you know, maybe people have just joined They don't know each other You don't really want people to be able to DM each other Because people might just be getting unwanted attention that way So you can change those in here And as I say, these are part of these broader, you know, four different meeting type presets But you can always go in and change these yourself. So again, and just a nice little feature there Then a couple of other things. We've got the different views here that we've already talked about It's actually put me in spotlights So what I'll do is I'll just come back to this one and you can see that that little crown there If I just tap on that, it's going to remove the spotlight from me and I'll close this down I said I'll talk about some of the pros and cons and one thing that I will say as a, you know This may or may not be an issue for you But there is just sort of one primary window There isn't an option to have a completely separate window like you have with zoom That's something that I do actually use quite heavily. So when I'm doing virtual webinars and workshops I do this thing which is really a non-standard practice, but I will pin a person to a second window in zoom and then I'll kind of use a screen share to pull them out of that Bring them back into ecam and then feed that back into the zoom. So that's something that's technically not quite possible with this So, uh, yeah If that is something that is of interest to you or that you do need to do is to have, you know Two separate windows and then you can't quite quite do that with this But the other views though, we've got the different gallery view you can show yourself or hide yourself So hide self view. This is the equivalent of that if I turn that one off You can see that you just disappear You don't want to be watching yourself and then you can change the page size So you control how many people are in the actual in the frame so the maximum being 25 But if you've got, you know a smaller group, you can adjust that And then you can also just come into here have the this one with the the main speaker view And the the gallery down the side or the gallery down at the bottom of that There is full screen view there as well now as I said at the beginning This isn't going to be a complete full tutorial But hopefully this is just giving you a bit of an insight and you can see It's pretty user friendly if you've used any other meeting platform before then This is not certainly going to be a huge departure from that And you will have seen also from the settings fairly intuitive to go through those as well As I say, you can find a link in the description to go and try it out But obviously you're going to want to know more about the pricing So let's take a look at that shall we and if you go over to their website using that link in the description Click on the pricing section Then you will be able to see the different tiers that are available By the way, there are some monthly tiers, but and you can obviously go annual as well But do check out the lifetime deals as well So clicking on here is going to give you a number of options where it's basically just one payment for lifetime access So certainly go ahead and look at those as well. But let's just go back to the regular And plans that they've got here as well If you think about this compared to you know zoom, then this is going from basically 250 a month up to 18 dollars a month Which actually when you look at the 18 dollar a month package For all that you get for that is very cost effective compared to you know, a regular zoom plan Never mind, you know, how cost effective these are at just 250 a month for this lower level plan And I talked about, you know, who this is right for and who it isn't right for Well, if we take a look at for example, the basic plan In fact, let's just go and look at you can find up here. There is or further down actually, sorry full plan comparison It's worth taking a look at this more in-depth look here And let me just zoom in this for you. If you look at the Participant capacity for example on the basic plan. Well, it's 12 people maximum Now, of course that might not work if you're in you've got big teams But actually if all you're doing is, you know, one-on-one coaching calls or maybe small group calls or whatever Then a 12 participant max is actually going to be fine. So that's what you get on that 250 a month plan And then up to pro you've got 300 participants. Let's look at what these different things are here So includes webinar. So the webinar feature is available on all of those plans Lots of ticks here across all of them. So they're pretty consistent here So I'm just going to go down not much differentiation File transfer not available on the basic, but it is on the others So if you want to be able to upload files, then that is another little Difference there custom hold music if that's important to you That's on only the plus and the pro plans coming down a bit further This is an important one potentially for you AI transcription. That is a pro feature And then coming down for enhanced security options. That's basically end-to-end encryption that is on the plus and the pro I would probably argue that those are, you know, essentials So I'd be looking at one of these two plans myself personally And then the custom branding as well is a way that when you send out your links, you know It can have your logo and things like that on it as well And then the other thing was the streaming services. So youtube streaming is plus and pro plan only User management and not that one. Sorry. I'm reading the wrong line this one Live streaming to up to 10,000 participants. That is the one where it is going basically to their Vivo meetings portal and then you can embed that On your site. That is a pro feature As is the the drive storage Recording is available on plus and pro So for me personally, I think the the plus upwards Is the most compelling package and then it's really just a case of whether you need those added features Of the live streaming and AI transcripts as to whether you go to the the pro Level package, but just once again the pricing of those is as on their website They do also run offers from time to time as well and certainly definitely check out Those lifetime deals as well because that could be a very cost effective way to get this on a as a long-term A long-term solution with no ongoing monthly cost So I hope you found that interesting and useful and if you do want to check it out Then be sure to use the link that is in the description I'll leave a link to some other videos related to online meetings and their tech mastery over there on the right hand side Thanks as always to my channel members as well. I really appreciate your support. Have a great day everyone and I'll see you next time