Welcome to the Nintendo Prime podcast season two episode 65. Don't worry. I know you guys don't see Andre's restart here yet He called me while the intro is rolling. So he will be here in a moment That being said we got a pretty loaded show for you guys lots to talk about so much to talk about I don't even have the damn documents up Before we get to introduce another one or what we've been playing lately I want to make sure to remind everyone that we're doing something a little different Remember back when Jake won a bet against me he turned it into hey, you can super chat to change my username Well tonight it's been cleared by everyone but Andres a little be a surprise to him You guys can super chat to change any of our user names the entire show and a little text below us So you know what it's gonna be a pretty Bricked up night. I think pretty I think tonight I'm gonna keep it clean so I'm gonna change my name If you wanted me Per chance to keep it a little nasty All you have to do is super chat change my name That's right. And actually Jake I wanted to add to that that anytime somebody super chats to change our name all of that super chat money goes directly to the person Whose name was changed right? Give it you to me I Everybody let's get nice and bricked up tonight Your favorite beverage your moisturizer or lotion of choice and just kick back and relax. I do like to say moisturize Let's uh Let's start the show the way we've always been starting with what have we been playing lately and introducing ourselves We'll go bottom the top this time. We'll start with hoops and hip hop. Welcome back Starting with me well for those who don't know me yet. I'm hoops and hip hop do pokemon content on youtube And uh glad to be back and as far as what I've been playing lately. Well, I've been getting through my Backlog of christmas games that I got so I'm about to start on sonic frontiers. So I'm oh, okay. Cool. Yeah, that's one that I was like Really wanting to play when it came out and then just didn't get to it. So I got up for christmas and Yeah, I'm about to run through that. So pretty hyped And there we go All right, and then we have for the first time on the show rogers base. Hello everybody. Hi. I'm rogers base I mostly do nintendo videos and anime videos here on youtube and Recently I've been playing two games. Obviously one final fantasy seven rebirth. Also. I just want to double check Oh, I see andres has just joined us. Hello. It says not even sure made on it's working Andres with a fresh cut You get the guns out.  Nice to meet you for his time. Nice to see you as well. Absolutely Fashionably late, but we love to see you put in the fashionable and fashionably late with that take time I technically told me that I might get caught up in the gym I checked twitter and my messages. There is nothing from you saying such a thing check the twi you missed it You missed it. It's there any twitter messages. I will double check Yo, I say yo jim is taking me a while. Yo, give me a few minutes late Oh I apologize i'm trying to be healthier Your voice sounds like either like an actor or maybe like the voice of a cartoon character Do you ever get someone because yeah? It's messing with my head. You sound like someone and I can't close. Hold on close my I don't know. I'm trying to think who I might sound like I've gotten when I was in college People said I look like joseph gordon leavitt and then I grew up and people are like, are you elan musk? And i'm like, bro, how do you go? It's not your loss. It's just a voice. It's just a voice. I wish I could help you. I honestly I'm not sure but listen throughout the course of the show and then let me know by the end jake Okay, all right, I can do i'm here It's or something I could do the whole podcast like stitch from lilo and stitch But uh, yeah, no, I mean tell me tell me how hot i'm eating sandaly What'd you say or how not months family family moons nor brother just left for hound or forgotten And actually the weird thing is that stitch sounds a lot like meatwad from aquati hunger fortune. He does. Yeah, he does Waste up a little bit. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I could see that Adjusted up a little You can be a voice actor. This is I appreciate that. You all are very nice. Thank you very much. Yeah. Yeah All right, sorry to interrupt. No, you're all good. You're all good. We got tank tops. We got voices This is fantastic the energy is good. Um, no, but I've been playing funnel fancy seven rebirth And I I'm not gonna get any spoiler talk because I feel like That's something I don't know where everybody is in the game right now. I've beaten it. I adore it I love it and I'm currently making my way through princess peach showtime as well. Nice little fun chill game I gotta ask you roger because I know you're also xeno bleach van I've heard people say My mains Very good, very good. All right Now we got it Now Yeah, yeah, that might be cooler than master sword guys But what I want to ask you though, I've heard I'll have to compare rebirth to xeno blade 3 Does it feel kind of similar? That's way better by a mile And I say that as somebody who's like a hardcore xeno blade fan like sure But I was right there. I think we even talked about this prime I was kind of underwhelmed by base xeno blade 3 Like it took me getting to future redeemed to really appreciate what that game was going for And uh, yeah, I feel like now I can look back at it really enjoy it But that last like three four hours of three Really like lost it for me. I think the middle of that game is peak the stuff with chapter 5 Again, no spoilers people haven't played it But like some major things happen in the game that definitely brought me the tears and by that ending bit When you get to the final boss and you've actually found it as motivation You're like this is what it was all leading to really and so if you haven't already played it Don't play future redeemed if you were also underwhelmed by three Future redeemed will make up for it for sure. Would you say that future redeemed redeems the game? I would I would indeed say future redeemed Redeems the game for me. Yes Nice All right Andrews restart.  I'm having a good time. Hell. Yeah It's It's kind of interesting because like right now So I'm into elden ring, right? And I also started my own like second playthrough of series of the kingdom So it's like a little bit of a comparison going on in my head But then also like dragon's dong or two came out. I'm like, oh, that's kind of interesting Maybe I'll play that next and then my friend recently shared me this trailer of um, what's it called chrono? Something. I don't I got I got it right here No, I'm not trigger. Yeah, that's something That's something I don't think it's cross either. It's it's not related to that. Okay. Hold on. I got it right here it is Five seconds At the brain my brain's just Not functioning It is called chrono odyssey Never heard of it Look up a trailer for it's coming out. Suppose it's coming out later this year It's like a combination like visually it looks like a combination of elden ring And monster hunter in an mmo setting Like an open world mmo Cool Yeah, now I think it's being made by a south korean developer to cow games. They've made a lot of like mmo like things on mobile So I don't know this doesn't seem like it's really in their wheelhouse But if you look at the trailer, you're like, whoa, that is like monster hunter elden ring massive multiplayer online And so I'm like really kind of intrigued by it But I love the main girl's design is awesome. I'm looking at it right now. Yeah with the armor set and everything Yeah, it looks super cool. Um, so like I'm kind of hyped for that. But like, you know, all these games they kind of You know, like the whole medieval fantasy setting like I've been Just kind of really like It's been it's been an interesting time. So like I might go on like a whole We'll see what happens this year, but I'm having a really good time with elden ring.  Yeah, yeah, probably. Yeah, I'm about 90 ish hours in So like but I'm taking my sweet time with it though I'm only just got to like the atlas plateau. Um, which I think my my system's only telling me I'm 33% done with the game But um, I'm like 100%ing maybe 100% is an exaggeration But I'm doing kind of all the major things in the prior areas like I've been all the the bosses in like, um The the entire red province like all the dragons and gargoyles and then the weeping peninsula So I'm taking my time with it, but it's it's pretty awesome right on. Yeah That's it. I haven't been doing anything. I mean, I'm still playing tetris. I play tetris all the time. So, you know I don't know if that counts Also, tetris is inevitable. Oh, yeah I did see the characters move a couple weeks ago And that's really good. He was really good actually. It's really good It's really good. It's also shocking how much of that is true. Like how much of the money is actually true I was like, oh, I'm wrecking move many the mood people who aren't even fans of games Like I think it's just like it's just really really interesting like the all the the dynamics Gorbachev is in the movie Which I did not see coming. It's crazy I think the Russian spies never got the real Gorbachev But I know like stood up in that movie because I did the exact same thing you did is I went back and I wanted to see afterwards Like oh, what was real and what wasn't and the only thing that immediately stood out was like there was no car chase There was no car chase for the KGB Yeah, yeah But it made for a good movie. Yeah, exactly. It was a fun time I but so they do but they did actually build a put a business together though right that part is true Yeah, yeah, and that that part is super heartwarming. Like, you know, you have this guy Comes to Russia meets this person and like the actual like then they start like actually like nerding out about like developing games And they kind of like fine tune catches a bit more and then they branch out and do their like that That's a happily ever after story. You don't see that too often. That's pretty cool cool Yeah Are you from new jersey by chance or new york new jersey? No, I am not I was in new york Three months ago. I'm from chicago initially You're still trying to pinpoint that voice I appreciate you do you do sound very like new yorker you do sound Not necessarily in that sense, but yeah, you should have a like new york accent about I don't know anyways, um Hi, i'm favelam. Hello. Good to see you guys. I'm good. I uh I'm I'm a twitch streamer primarily, but I'm embarking on youtube This past packs really has inspired me to just kind of focus on youtube and twitch will be Besides that now in my opinion, uh, but I haven't been playing as many games I played I played a little bit of octopath on the plane which I enjoyed And I played actually, so I guess I haven't playing games played anyways And I also played the new battlefront remastered on switch because it was portable. I was like my god my childhood But I want to show you guys your shirt Huh, they're eating potatoes. They're not playing a good game eating. It's a pretty good game though See we must stop eating cried toad as he ate another it's such a move I know I'm pretty sure they're obsessed with cookies. Um, it says oh maybe they are cookies They kind of look like Who would just eat like raw potatoes, so They could be either I could see the argument for cookies anyways What I wanted to show off Was uh, because I wasn't been playing as many I haven't been playing as many games I haven't been playing the peach game. I haven't played anything brand new because I want to I'm gonna start doing that on stream But I bought some games at packs. I bought Ammonimal crossing new leaf. They had a really cool store there. That was good I bought mario kart ds go inside of mario kart ds.  This is where the coolest get, uh, a japanese copy of pokemon pearl It works too. I checked the cartridge. I checked all they have the language options back then or do you have to play it in No, and this is this is language locked I believe uh, but I kind of want to keep it there because it has somebody's like file on it And they were like half way through the game and I love that kind of stuff.  So I this was today Make a video on it. Oh, absolutely. Yeah, that would make a banger youtube short.  They're like in like a hard plastic wrap. Yes. Okay. Wow Here's seven. I have seven. It's in my game cube physically But I am I love mario party if you know my content I I'm a mario party fiend. So this was the biggest skit for me I the fact that I was able to get all three and I got a microphone I got the microphone, you know, I think it'd be really funny to like if I could somehow record what this sounds like Into like my computer somehow.  So but yeah, that's me. I'm favella I need to clear the air right now Oh, yeah, what's up?  I'm still taller than you even without my platforms Listen, yeah, yeah, you're over 60 tall. That's great for you. Oh, why would you? Why are you going around?  I don't know All right I just wanted I just wanted to yank on your You and jake warrior remember? Yeah, when he said two inches shorter, I thought it was referred to some Sorry, what were we saying? I was cut I cut andre. I don't know, but I think we just saw the creation of a villain I know I think I'm I think I'm now I'm no longer or andre's is no longer javis biggest foe. It's me I was buying guys Jake and I are always good. We're just like we just you know, we're bigger like brothers. It's fine Oh Yeah, when I say foe, I mean in like a yeah, I mean in a loving way. I mean foe in a loving way All my closest friends like it's funny and like the closer I get to you the more mean I seem like Yeah, like like sometimes as it should me like with my college roommate or my brother people see how we interact with each other like Oh my god, what's wrong? And they'll be like nothing work. We love each other. We interact with each other Yeah, that's how buff that's how buff daddy rolls. I get it exactly Jake just took over for me and Andres always bickering at each other every episode. So I'm great. I'm great giving up that I'm good. I'll just host we alternate Yeah, you've been a new f zero. That's not happening I learned my lesson. I learned my lesson. I'm not gonna bite. He's just trying to bait. Oh my god, Andres isn't biting the bait That's crazy. I'm folk folk All right, Eric more you gotta be more slide than that. Good play lately, buddy. Yeah, still You got it. I thought I had life light roots done. I didn't I finished them up today. And All right, what is that game that you're referring to? I don't know Some really crappy a little yeah small indie title. Yeah, right? Yeah fun Sorry, actually I heard I actually heard it's not even the indie title. It's just dlc.  I don't know.  Yeah, it's dlc for a Wii game I mean, we just we are bypassing Wii U. We're going all the way back to Wii There's a difference. I mean, it's we use just to add on so, you know, right All right, I really hope everyone knows we're joking I would hope that people Scott the waz is in the comment section right now writing a massive review bomb Oh, let's start bricked up destroyer. You been playing anything lately or is it just been with our feelings? Wait, what? Anything lately or is it just been our feelings? I don't get it. I've been playing your feelings. My feelings.  I wasn't there Yeah, uh, sorry about that, but you could have come. I mean that was your decision Um, what's it called? I uh, I haven't been playing anything like regular because I've been super busy But I played a bunch of stuff at packs. Yeah, um, I would like to give a shout out to an indie game, but Yeah, I don't want to get it wrong. So I'm just gonna look it up real quick I have a couple indie games. I want to shout out when but I Not only was the game really fun but like, um The people that like made it and stuff were like so nice Uh, so like just all around like I would just love people to support them Oh, it's called rightfully berry arms And it's a roguelite game.  No joke was a finger gun So obviously right up my alley Um, and it's cool. What makes it different Is that every at the after every stage you clear you can pick a buff, right?  So it's called rightfully berry arms And uh, yeah, it was that was really fun Right, I'll show it here in a second Just just to get the extra extra shout out Yeah, I think it's available now early access on steam and it's coming to xbox soon This is gosh, I give the right one here it is. Yeah, here we go. I have I have a couple of I've never done this the stream yard thing before it's cool that you could just like throw it right in there And then just screen and stuff and moves it around. Yeah saves a lot of editing in time. That's cool Yeah, I like this this this app a lot it you have to pay for it, but I think it's worth it though. Yeah Oh, yeah But yeah, it's uh, that looks really interesting man. Yeah, it was fun. I really enjoyed it That's good. It's good. Very cool All right, uh, so it's something you were talking about what you were playing before why because I was late and I missed it Oh, but I'm just kind of curious what's been going on with you So I was just telling the guys that I've been going through my backlog recently I finally got the chance to start up sonic frontiers. So I've been Uh getting into that and I mean that's kind of the main thing I've been doing because Like some of the other guys I've been just like super busy lately So not a ton of time to game, but that's what I've been focusing on when I've had the chance It does feel like this first couple months is very busy compared to like normally the beginning of the year Not just in terms of events and things going on but like games as well I feel like there's some big new thing coming out literally every single week And by the time you get to the other thing like I've got unicorn overlords sitting on my shelf I played like 10 hours of it when it started and it's like I've had no time to go back to it And I want to play it more than anything else But then peach came out and then like obviously rebirth came out And it's just like there's even stuff like the new yakuza game infinite dragon or infinite wealth or whatever It's just like they look so good, but there's not that time in the day for for me. It's a problem to have There's so little it is a good problem to have for sure. Yeah. Yeah for me It's like I've always found it super ironic being like a gaming youtuber because like doing youtube Like takes away the time to play the games that you're talking about So for me, it's like oh you have the holiday games coming out and obviously just a holiday season So like january february is like the layover of that and then for me as a pokemon youtuber We just got that huge reveal of pokemon legends obviously in february So I've been like going crazy with content for that and it's like just barely like this week and last week It's sort of like I've kind of caught back up to where I was before Covering all that crazy stuff. So it's like Things have been hectic for sure Yeah, no, I I get that like It's it's it's gonna like for me like every day i'm just like man I just want to play olden ring, but no I got I got I got to make a video About I got to make a video about it Like what I what I discovered playing it instead of actually playing it kind of a catch 22 Actually like it reminds me back with the materials the kingdom came out and we were playing that Because I was making a lot of videos for tears of the kingdom when that came out. That was a really interesting challenge What needing to play the game like 10 hours a day that then also Wanting to make a video every day on it too Uh, so yeah, it is it's tricky. That's the beauty of streaming though I feel like right is that when you're able to actually stream the game and play your way through it It's like if you're interacting with chat trying to find different puzzles, you know Sometimes you don't want to be spoiled on stuff and you watch just like the pure experience of not having to do it On camera, but I do find that like being able to stream it Makes it a lot more manageable because then it's like I'm at least making something with the time I'm doing spending playing the game and enjoying it But again, there's it's a catch 22 because then if you accidentally get spoiled on something It's like you got to make sure that your moderators are on top of it. It's kind of how it felt for all the final fantasy It was like my moderators had to be on it and thankfully they were great. Yeah removing spoilers and keeping me away for everything so So uh for me, I've been playing uh hardware's legacy and Fortnite surprisingly enough for me getting back into that a little bit. It's that's a fun game They're letting both now. Yeah, it's it's actually kind of fun I kind of I I there's some things about the about the latest season. I'm not like all sold on but It's so fun stuff in there. So I I never really was one of the people that thought for tonight was like evil or anything.  Just Is that the It was a very boomer take of like it's the new thing all the kids like and It's just in cells and internet being I remember growing up like um more multiple times I step mom uh told me to get rid of my pokemon games or had me throw away Cards because they were In case I just shoot each other and then it yeah, all goes from there. It's just yeah Someone made a post like earlier today on twitter. They were talking about how I there was it some it wasn't the game developers conference But it was something like that where there was a discussion among developers Regarding like really popular games on youtube and what?  No, I think I figured it out. Oh, okay. Oh, I sound like all right. Let's go Like a younger version of luis black Interesting like anger from inside out I guess. Yeah. Yeah, that's what I know him from. Yeah I I can't even I'm trying to think of like what luis black sounds like where I could do it He's had a lot of uh comedy specials too He's an accepted I forget what else but yeah I So the other game with mario 64 today Yeah, sorry rodent rates. I'm trying not to harp on that but just driving me Like I said, I sound like a celebrity by all means interrupt as much as you like I have no I take no offense that I sound like a famous person Oh, that's great gives me my big new bar All right, uh, I think we're we're gonna go through all that stuff We have a bunch of topics we want to get to today guys our first one's kind of a double-edged sort of topic Because paxies and gdc happened like the exact same time So that that's what we're going to do because hey, we have people here that went to all of those things So that we're going to be a fun one. We're also going to be talking about remake first remaster for a little bit And hey, we got a little bit of zelda movie news that I Might be interested because I think a lot of us are kind of anticipating What might happen with this thing? Especially as west ball is clearly starting to shift to it now that you know He's kind of done with the whole planet of the apes thing besides uh, obviously marketing and advertising for it So, uh, let's start with the one that only one of our, uh, fellows went to and that will be uh, Mr. Rogers base who went to gdc I see Yeah, where do you want me to start that all like i've never been I also had never been so i i'd been to e3. I was lucky enough to attend like starting from when I was like 17 So i've been going to e3 And uh, yeah, there's a whole story behind that too, but like that'll be for a different day But so I kind of was craving like a video game related type of that like that Like I feel like I haven't been to a dedicated one since covet and so this is my first experience I was lucky enough to go because my girlfriend works in the industry And I kind of had like an open week where I was like sure. I'll just I'll come with you and nintendo happened to be Hosting panels at this gdc one for tears of the kingdom That was uh called tunes of the kingdom that was all about like the sound physics engine They developed for the game and then there was another panel They did about the making of mario wonder where tezaka was talking about the development process There were a lot of like just interesting little things they revealed during that and uh, and so I was like cool I'll show up the gdc. I got there. I picked up my little my ticket that nintendo left for me And then when I went to the press room, they were like, oh, do you just want a badge so you could explore the show? And so I said sure No bragging but continue No, brat Oh Flexing's base. That's right Just grab your badge that nintendo provided I just meant to say thank you just so people know But um, so what happened was I I went to go pick up my badge and then I kind of didn't know what to expect Like I had I had assumed that it was more of like a closed off kind of media focused developer focused event Compared to something like a packs or something like um, even like a game awards type thing Right where people can go and just like meet their favorite creators and stuff And it was just really eye-opening and a lot of fun to sort of find out like more about how these games that I really love were made Um, there was a great final fantasy panel that I attended all about the active time lore and how that was implemented in final fantasy 16 um, that was really cool and just like Getting to meet all these developers and sort of hear from their end Like how they watch youtube videos And like how they sort of consume our content and like hearing the excitement from them through our excitement for their games Was also that was interesting Yeah, it was a super fun little thing Like at the at the end of the tears of the kingdom panel one of the sound designers for tears of the kingdom Came up to me and was like, hey, I saw your reaction To one of the songs that we did in tears of the kingdom. So specifically like the colguera song that plays Right You know exactly what i'm talking about Yeah, and I like during my stream was like nearly weeping during this portion I thought it was so good like hearing this that iconic theme for my childhood with the orchestrated music coming back And he was like, yeah Seeing your reaction and everyone else's reaction to that like really inspired the development team And like really made us happy that people were appreciating our work And so it's stuff like that that makes it all kind of worth it You know, it's like people are out there watching us and listening to us. It's cool. Yeah So yeah, that's awesome And then the event like last little thing i'll say is that like the event was also way more laid back than I was expecting um I don't know. I thought it was going to be like a lot more uptight and like very business focused And while that was definitely the case like it was a really cool opportunity that exactly right like there's there was You know a lot of opportunities to network with people and to talk to people about their upcoming games and upcoming indie games And find out sort of what's going on in the industry But it was just laid back and fun like there were a lot of mixers We're all just drinking having our cocktails talking about like what we're excited about this year And it was the vibes were awesome So yeah, I'd highly recommend it if you ever get a chance and you're you're ever lucky enough to go to gdc Make a point to go. It's it's definitely worth it Sounds where is where is gdc at? What does it have san francisco? So it's at the muskoan center in san francisco. Okay That's a track for me, but I'll do it one day. I'm definitely worth it I'm telling you it's just even just to hear the backstory about these games that we love like You know how they came up with development like I don't know how deep you want me to get into it prime But like one of the things I'll bring up that was kind of interesting with uh with mario wonder Is how they basically when the development started for that game Put ideas down on sticky notes and they handed out sticky notes to everybody that was at nintendo hq Anyone who works there from like the first years all the way up to koji kondo And what they were describing during this panel is like a lot of the wonder effects that actually made it into the game Came from sticky notes from people who've only been working there for like a year And that the people who have been long time developers at nintendo people like koji kondo Who you know obviously does like all the music for the games? He came up with ideas and then the developers would see these ideas and be like this is ridiculous Or find like funny ways to implement it like putting together the stuff back and things like that so yeah Really just cool eye opening to sort of hear like the behind the scenes how the sausage is made there. Yeah That's so cool. Yes. Well, we'll see that expression at the end how the sausage is made you've never heard that expression. Mr. Bricked up destroyer. You should know Exactly you should it's good. It's good place. I like it. All right. There are you the dvc sounds great Which means you're bringing me obviously The whole squad I'll go into a podcast There you go IRL pod see we could have done date if you come to packs you could we could have done We could have done a live recording We did one last year. We actually did a live show from the hotel. I would have loved that Was it just the two of you that were at past wasn't there it is I think me and jake. Yeah Yeah, okay, okay Then comparatively because I've also never been to like the full packs Jake and flam they uh, they were there. Yeah, so I mean, I this is my second packs ever and Packs is honestly one of the best conventions. I've been to I mean, I haven't been to a lot I've only been like I've only been to twitch con. I've only been uh packs itself. I've been to Uh, I've been to a lot of like pokemon regional and pokemon conventions that you know the centric center around that Hacks though is like it's very It's very much like what e3 not as not necessarily like e3 is media focused. This is like all you know crowd focused and The first half of the convention center is is all video games and A lot of any developers and also like senior capstone design from game developers, which is really cool to see Um, and then you have a lot of other things like other big names like nintendo final fantasy um Whole bunch that we had. Oh, yeah, there was a the studio that makes a balder's gate They had a massive boot there. They had hired cosplayers to walk around really really cool Um, I I got to talk to the ladies a bad game for like a demo It is it is For a demo it is yeah, I I did the demo My friend who had never played any balder's gate wanted to wanted to play it And like he just got so frustrated like first it took like 10 minutes to make a character and then like Yeah, that's rushing through it and then I get He like couldn't even like beat the first enemy and he got frustrated and walked away. He had like 10 minutes left I feel like they should have had it to where you just they just had like the NPCs playable Which I get the whole point is like you make your own character and your own thing But like in terms of the demo in terms of like showing off the game mechanics I think that would have been a better way to kind of express the game and like express how the game flows and you Did like a mission Yeah, I think the demo was too much because again, some people will spend five minutes designing their character And some people will spend an hour, you know, they would get every little detail, right? No Yeah, so I'm one of those people who spends an hour. Um, no, but I wanted to talk about There was three experiences I had that I think stuck out to me I stole my I was I'm sadly not clouded enough to get a media badge But my friend brand and frag magic is and I stole his media badge for one day to kind of you know Go around and talk to people because I am still a con integrator. I that's not like I'm lying when I go up to them to say that Um And so I went to the nintendo booth and they gave me nintendo That was one frustrating thing is the nintendo booth at packs this year was an extension of pokemon They had all of the pokemon games on display for demo And there was no nintendo There's nothing else nintendo just pokemon i'm surprised they didn't do an activation for peach I mean that's literally correct. Correct. It is the exact thing I said. I said, why is why is princess peach not here? And it's what I said last year about, uh Breath of the water tears of the kingdom. I was like both. This is two years ago. Now they had games Yeah, yeah, that's true. That's cool. The ones from like nintendo live a couple years ago With yeah, the big awesome link statue. They had that at pack yeah, so It's been two years in a row now that they've had a major title that they could have easily demoed and it would have been a Way better experience for everybody wanting to be a part of that and they decided to use these really old They're their ip that everybody's already played They're really old blah blah blah blah blah and I again i'm a pokemon hero, but it was fun though We I got to there was a chalk wall and you got to take pictures You like got in line and then you could draw any pokemon you want on this big chalk wall And then they gave you a free like a free, uh, promo I wish I should I wish I kind of need and then like there you could wait in line Take a picture with either pikachu or evie that kept swapping them out Yeah, last year and intended to do the same thing, but it was mario louis tree. Yes And so like it had like a couple fun things and the other pokemon thing was the exact same as last year where You wait a long time and either play the video game or the card game And then if you play the video game, you got like free stickers if you play the car game You got a free 30 card deck Nice, which that I actually think is very cool and very I mean if you've done it once I think you there's nothing to do in a second I'm because the demo the actual cards haven't changed but that is literally That last year's packs that tcg demo that is what got me to play the game competitively And I play the game competitively now like the car game. It doesn't matter. I'm curious Uh, I'm between I'm I have three decks. I'm kind of juggling between right now Sheen pound charizard and torterra because it's like the three So I'm I think I'm gonna go to orlando with she and pal, but we'll see. I don't know Um, look two two other experiences. I wanted to say I know I'm sorry. I'm rambling. It's the podcast though So I'll do this. I'll save the best one for last. So this one was um, I don't know how to say the scope scopey It's it's spelled c or excuse me skop j e And it is also a roguelike is a 3d roguelike in the style of borderlands where there's like a city And it's taken over by not necessarily zombies, but these like weird zombie technoid Whatever humans they get harder the further outside the city you go And the goal is to get outside of the city and you notify the general And stop him from nuking the city because saying like oh, there's people inside So the goal is to get outside the city and it's just you can take there's many different paths You can take and your upgrades like hold over into the next run is very cool I only got to play for about 30 minutes, uh, but it was still it was a good demo It was if you like that kind of like first person shooter survival collectathon And then you're trying to you know, you're especially that roguelike aspect of it. That's your move That's that's is a it's a very good game. I think this is you can wishless It says right here wishless on steam right um And the second game that I played that I I think I fell in love with That's what I'm sharing my screen with now. I actually made this is a game called cricket Jay's really particular game and the point of this game is it's basically imagine the story of like earthbound and like the overworld or earthbound but then the battle mechanics of Octopath and paper mario kind of combined and you're selling this Like yeah That sounds incredible Kind of too like no, no it is yeah It genuinely it takes the best parts of the octopath traveler battle mechanics and the best parts of like Like I personally I get really bored when I'm watching the enemy just hit me And I love like the parrying system that's found in paper mario and that's what they included in this game Um, and it's very here. I'm full screen. I don't know why I wasn't full screening it Um, but it's very cool. It's a very I only I only get to play like the first like half of the first chapter But in terms of like the overworld and the story of that Part is it's very earthbound and like it's like a bunch of kids are kind of ganging up together and exploring the world um But in terms of the gameplay it's it's if you like mario party or excuse me paper mario Are you like a Octopath traveler you would love this you can see there's like the meter system that like boost your attacks Like like kind of how octopath is but then again it has that parrying system. Uh, but yeah, this game's a little cricket It's very good. Uh studio Coo Cumeo, I think that's how you say their name Uh, very cool guy. We talked for like a long time And then I want to shout out the studio that's kind of like uh above all these indies Is uh p.m. Studios they are doing a very they they're doing a cool job Their whole she's is they find indies they fund them and they kind of uplift them especially trying to get them to have physical launches Uh, both of those games I talked about are you can wishlist on steam today? I think cricket said they were In quoting them. Uh, they're looking into getting put on nintendo switch So cool the second that comes if it if it does ever come to nintendo switch I would love to see it So shout out to them. I can hear I can put the I'll I'll put the The the crickets creators Twitter on and the youtube chat so you guys can follow him Uh, yeah, and that was that was basically my major like gaming as a youtube creator Uh experiences at packs. I had many other experiences That we could talk about but that those those involved a giant bucket of alcohol at howl at the moon one night That was a fun time All right This bad boy.  I don't even know how many I think Like what was the year they didn't have it 21? Uh, yes, yeah, they did have in 20. Didn't they? Yeah, yeah, they had in 20 They had in 20, right 23 24 so I've been to five total um and um, yes, I I had a lot of fun one thing about packs is Similar to e3 It's like used to be a much bigger deal and it's like become less for sure Over the years, but the difference between e3 is that it still exists and unlike That's that is a big difference It's made for the fans like what you said earlier It's not like e3 is literally for like journalists to get information out This was never for that. This was always for people to come and experience stuff. Yeah, that's not out yet I would just say now A lot of the big companies just kind of choose not to participate nintendo like just by default Does pokemon every year to have something but it's not like something they care that much about Um, just a quick question. Do you think that's because of like nintendo life like now that the Yes, I think because a lot of the big companies after kovid kind of realized We can just like do our own online events just like they came with e3 Right, and it's just like kind of made all of that less But that what the cool thing is is now packs is really a lot for like indie games And it's a place for those games that would normally be swept under the rug And covered up and you wouldn't really you know, you might see them an nintendo director a state of play or something But it would be the thing that no one cares about now It's like there's nothing else so you can like you can find those hidden gems give them a chance and it's really fun um You know my favorite thing to do at packs is honestly not to wait in to in lines for the big attractions like This year it was the new final fantasy 14 expansion Oh And then they have like honestly some of the cooler boosts are the ones by like other companies like mountain dew or dunking donuts They're like kind of lines for them are like crazy um Like the mountain dew thing I like had you waved in line Then like it would this big screen like aliens would pop up and you would like throw dodgeballs at them And it's like kind of fun But it's like 30 seconds and like the line was crazy every day I did get to do it the last day because it was like a shortest line But it still like probably wasn't worth it overall, but I just wanted to do it But like my favorite thing about packs is there's so many little boosts with games People don't know of that if you want to just like play games for a little bit You can do it without waiting in any lines as long as you just don't care what you're going to play And that's really fun to just go into it without a plan and just kind of Wherever it takes you just play stuff that you might not normally play Because even if it's a game you really like you're only going to be playing these games for like 15 20 minutes anyways So I you know that's what's kind of made it better in some ways. Yeah And then it's obviously really cool. Especially as a content creator to See other content creators you might have like interacted with on social media or Actually been on the podcast with like it was cool to see austin a couple days. I was there. I know Um hey packs west packs west I'm Trying to make it work because a flight to seattle in a hotel. It's like I'm just really feeling packs I feel like Right my way as somebody who has never been to packs east ever and I barely barely went into packs west It's worth it for nintendo life And i'm serious because like I went last year for nintendo live and I didn't even walk into Packs as it was happening, but there was so much fun stuff and I feel like all of us that are on this This is a nintendo prime podcast. So I'm feeling all of us like nintendo in some way I feel like you'd get something out of it if You get that idea Why I think that all of us like nintendo, but I Don't you see the playstation 5 back there. Come on. I don't know Yeah, it's the playstation prime podcast. Okay, right. There you go.  No, I don't think it made packs less difficult last year Is the fact that it was a lottery system like to get it into nintendo live. So like I didn't get it But that yeah, they weren't yeah, you're right. I know i'm not caught Registered for nintendo live. You had to like enter a lottery for it. Yes. It wasn't connected. Yeah You think it did not guarantee you admission to it. I have but you connect I'm gonna say nate. I'll hit you up That's if they do it again this year. That's true. That's if they do it again All right, I just wanted I wanted to say something Right. Yeah, exactly that so I was kind of like because we were talking about how like it feels like there's a lot of presence from bigger companies like When it comes to nintendo, like, you know, is there a chance that maybe one of the reasons why like all we get is like a pokemon thing This time is because it's a little bit of a calm before the storm Like they're not going to be spending most of their marketing resources now because they didn't have anything last year either and they The waning period right we're in the waning period But is it really that hard to But like playstation's not there anymore and it used to be xbox is not there anymore and it used to be Like it's Well, I actually had their own events too with like the showcase. Yeah, and it's not the calm before the storm for those companies You know, I'm okay. So yeah, specifically yeah packs, right?  That's me paired with packs Yeah, okay. Yeah for for nintendo live, like totally. I thought we're talking about packs. No, but no That's it still I think you're making a good distinction though Like the yeah, the bear companies in general just kind of pulled out that makes sense because one was the last time we saw Like because remember like that animal crossing us that was that packs where they had like Anything like that since have we that was here 2019 or 2020 I think that was that was the cool thing about No, that was 2020 actually All of the other events whether it was packs or e3 or whatever and they kind of just threw it all there They had like the smash exhibit from e3 with all the little the models of like the weapons They had the animal crossing village that was previously at a packs They had like a little pikmin for exhibit area where you could take photos with the pikmin And so they ended up going that hard Let me paint a picture imagine There's not a lot of like return on investment for them for doing that But it was a cool way to like have nintendo go viral But what's one other thing that's changed since they had those like big displays is now they have their own theme park And they don't need these little things to like show off cool nintendo stuff They have something doing that year round for them now So it's kind of like we're just doing this to go viral or whatever because it doesn't like really Increase sales for the the niche amount of people that attend the event Like we don't really need it. You know what I mean? Sure. That was the weird thing Oh, go ahead. Sorry.  No, no, no. I'm sorry I think you could also point out the fact that The the time in the state of the industry right now and not necessarily nintendo, you know nintendo might be Slashing we secretly buying glosors. We don't know but to prevent layoffs because they're very, you know, their their philosophy is You know, we've seen in the past They don't the layoff should be like the very last thing they're going to cut ceo budgets, whatever They're they're marketing budgets might be the first thing that's going and that's that's this is marketing So like maybe that's I don't know. That's my that's a theory. That's I'm just pulling out out of speculation. But yeah, anyways Yeah Sorry, go ahead. Um, go ahead rogers. I'd cut you off No, I mostly just was going to say the same thing that I'm nostalgic and I do miss Like the days of the big Events but like you were saying jake like you kind of don't really need them anymore Like when you've got playstation showcases you've got like xbox doing their own thing Nintendo's doing the directs. They have the theme park like it's just not the same as it used to be But for those of us that remember how it used to be it's like, oh, I wish it was a little bit It sucks for the fans because those things were really cool. They were fun. Yeah, that's why packs I think will always exist in some capacity for sure that was always made for the fans And if they don't have the big ones, it's literally been proven now They can do it with just with just indies and whatever presents other big companies want to have. Yeah I have a dream Tabletop isn't it now? Sorry. Go ahead. Andra. I just say no, I just I just I just had this idea I've been wanting to say for like five minutes as I didn't even pick this name Someone made my name to Samison, but I think it's fair that I bring this up You know thinking about like the Animal Crossing set the Breath of the Wild set for way back when like, you know If the tell kind does go hard for Nintendo live, maybe, you know for this, you know this fall Maybe by time switch to a shown Maybe we could have like a Metroid Prime for kind of like thing like there's a Samus statue Maybe there's an awfully statue. What if there's like a little Metroid field? Is it though? Is it though? I've just I have learned in modern Nintendo to not get my hopes up That's sadly just and I'll counter that by saying that their job is to create things we want Yes, correct. That is their job. I'm just telling you I have at least the Pokemon company has taught me to expect nothing but disappointment Hey, man, they're Nintendo If you expected deployment, then you're pleasantly surprised and they pull off the stop exactly. Yeah, right exactly I am Anyways, uh, but yeah, that was packs. It was sick as hell Um, I played a lot of cool board games too and I played some card games and yeah, it was a good time I saw Jake in a Luigi cosplay Plus Luigi. Yeah, it was it was fun. That's how he's dressed normally. Oh boy. It's like Luigi Yeah all right Um, so I guess we'll we'll switch over to our next topic here But remake versus remaster. Obviously, there's a lot of Debates that go on there right now like like the thousand-year door people kind of getting really passionate about that debate on both sides It's very very weird And then obviously Nintendo has other stuff going on like Luigi's matching to HD Which most people just say hey that's basically just a remaster or doesn't even count as a remaster Is it just emulation with new textures? I have no idea. Here's the thing. These are the debates that are happening out there I just go every time I chime in. I'm wrong no matter what I say. So Uh, that's what happens with youtubers. So yeah, I You know andres and I we it was his little show yesterday And we talked talked about this a very similar topic But I actually want to start with hoops like what do you think? Is like the real core difference between a remake and a remaster when it comes to video games Well Yeah, you could say that I've always I've always kind of looked at remake versus remaster as kind of like a difference in like the bump in quality versus the original So like with a remaster you sort of get like a little bump in quality versus remake is like a bigger bump in quality The other thing I would say that kind of muddies this up a little bit is like typically when you're talking about remakes You're talking about like sort of a graphical overhaul versus a remaster Which is like the same models or graphics or whatever just sort of polished up Like the resolution is up whatever um, but but that kind of like Confuses me a little bit Even though that's my own definition because I was I was gonna say that thousand-year door Feels to me more like a remake just because it feels like that polish is there That's not can I just say something real quick? Yeah, that's like I think a problem with this conversation is just like whenever it comes up Is that like there's two different kinds of remakes. There is a remake where It's made from the ground up, but it's the exact same game The exact it's like all the graphics are nicer But it's like everything is one to one and then there's remakes like Resident Evil 4 remake Where the entire game is reimagined and also built from the ground up but as a brand new experience And we really shouldn't like those are both remakes like one is the exact same game Just like better controls and nicer looking and that's still a remake And then But I think you were right on with like your definition of remaster where it's like literally the same code But just like like the graphics are enhanced. Maybe they add a little bit of like More modern controls or something like that But like the problem is like a lot of people will say like remake is only like What the Resident Evil 4 remake is like that's the only way it can be a remake but no like If it's like completely built up even if it's exactly the same that's still a remake You just have to clarify a couple of things which is whether it's built from the ground up or not and whether it's Reimagined or not is so it can be a non reimagined remake Is what I think the term should be basically or a reimagined remake and I think those are important Just like distinctions to include to me it's a spectrum Right, like you have you have straight port You have remaster you have remake and then you have reimagining So I would say like in the case of Final Fantasy 7 remake Reimagined That's neither actually that's a sequel Did then it I know I know we've talked about this, but it's just like Let's just use the Resident Evil 4 because that that's reimagined like they literally went back and it's a different game now But then it still gets a little muddy because in the case of Paramount the Thousand Year Door I think it's a remake because it's literally a new art style new animations new lighting engine It's probably running on something based off what they did for origami king as opposed to the original game Which according to developers That wouldn't be a remaster then if it is not using the same code anymore, which it's hard to confirm um But we also know it's gonna have new content like there's a purple toad Which did not exist in the prior game and they said there's gonna be new quality of life features so like That's some of the games been reimagined like the original game was four by three This is widescreen the layout of the environments are slightly different now the perspectives are slightly different So, you know, I would still say it's a remake but there have been elements that have been reimagined um, so, you know It's tough, but I feel like hoops didn't get it didn't get a chance to really finish his his his stock there Well, I'm I'm no you're good I'm glad you mentioned that though because the reason why I think Thousand Year Door is like a good Starting point for this conversation is because to me I feel like Thousand Year Door has enough of that bump to where it feels like a remake but then like I was talking about with uh Sort of like the difference between remaster and remake with the sort of like jump and quality um that kind of makes Thousand Year Door feel like a remaster too is that like even though you have it looking so much more polished compared to the original It's still like the same I guess art style if you will like the same graphics like it just kind of looks cleaner at least in my opinion anyway But at the and that would sort of lean in the direction of remaster because it's like oh, they're not like the models aren't overhauled it's not like they're making everything like sort of drastically Up here different compared to the original But you can't really do that with a game like Paper Mario where the art style so distinctive. So yeah Like the water is made of paper now. It wasn't made of paper before Right. Yeah, but then but then but then if you're bringing in like new content like purple toads and Things like that that you mentioned that sort of to me I mean you you could depending on how much of that stuff you add it can sort of fall over into like a reimagining but I think that sort of like Seals the deal as a remake because like I think If you're talking strictly remaster, I don't think you could have anything like in terms of added content That wasn't in the original. I think that's sort of a good hard line That just so it's a it's a new kind like okay Because then it gets weird because like you look at xena the Chronicles definitive edition, which has Like a whole extra mini campaign. Yeah, I would consider that a remake But but like to go I'm glad you bring that up because I am total agreement with pretty much everything that all of you have said Like in terms of the distinctions between them from reimagining to remake to remaster I almost feel like it's also kind of a semantics thing and people can kind of just like feel how they feel about it Each way because for me personally, right? I think some people would try an attempt to classify The Luigi's Mansion 2 hd thing as like a remake But it is not to me personally that is like a remaster. I also personally believe that should not be 60 dollars There's like no world in which I would buy that $60 But yeah No, I was just gonna say this is a really quick comment But that kind of opens up a whole other discussion about the should remakes be full price situation and I think it depends on how much they actually Like polish the game right whereas I I don't feel the same way about the thousand-year door remake I think that looks interesting enough looks different enough. They've cleaned it up nice enough where I go Okay, I can justify my purchase for this And I think even one step further like something else that both of you have brought up earlier Which I think is kind of interesting people don't really talk about it in terms of remakes is like the legends series I would even say there's an argument to be made for legends Go kind of going along with with what Jake said earlier too with like Final Fantasy Where legends I feel almost falls into this like sequel slash reimagining category that we're seeing a lot more too Where are you talking about Pokemon legends? Pokemon legends? Yeah, okay Where I feel like Arceus is almost a reimagining Of Sinnoh while also being like a weird sequel Right where in which you're getting a lot of things that connect to that original game But it's obviously that was meant to be like the Quote-unquote remake reimagining whatever and I feel like you look at Brilliant Diamond Shining Pearl That is like a one-to-one That it was a remake, right? But it was very bare boats. It was like we're taking this We're polishing it up. We're making it look nice and we're going to chuck it out there whereas I feel like the the experience of a full reimagining something more along the lines of like a Final Fantasy 7 remake a rebirth or whatever to me is like more along the lines of legends Which is I feel like why a lot of people may be connected with that in a way that you know They were maybe upset for having to pay that amount of money for something like Brilliant Diamond or Shining Pearl Which really didn't add that much new content. I think that like No one has I can't think of an example or anyone's ever complained about paying full price for a reimagining No, no And you provide a good new content then I don't think it's a remake. Yes, but it's one to one Or it's literally a remaster. That's when people have a problem with full price anytime a reimagining has come out That people treat that like as worth being worth a new game. Yeah I just want to say is this is really blessed the poor nintendo Booth runners soul they were pitching the the demos to us right and They looked at me. They're like, yeah, we got detective Pikachu. We've got scarlet wire We got we got legacy legacy rks and I was like, that's it. You got it Good job I was like, oh you poor thing You don't have a clue what you're talking about Someone in the chat brought up Just news about the f0.99 update that just came out and I think that's also an interesting thing to throw into this discussion too It's been reimagined. Yeah, exactly. It's like that takes the courses from the original f0 But is doing something really unique and fun and different with it And and kind of going back to what everyone's been saying again It's like nobody's complaining about that because it feels so different and and fun and is a new spin on it And I think you know more games that try to do that with their reimaginings or their remakes or whatever I think the better off the industry is going to be but but there's definitely also a place for you know remake titles along the lines of something like a paper mario or like I would you know You brought up earlier on dress the whole thing with with zeno blade. I would consider definitive edition to be in the same realm that um What's it called paper mario's in because the game does get polished up It's still a little ugly looking in places, but it does look some artifacts in the original game for sure Yeah, it adds a lot of new content with the new added bit with melia in it And a lot of the music is redone as well So I feel like there's there's enough that's different there And enough quality of life features that make it like where you won't ever want to go back and play the Wii game ever again Yeah, yeah the exact game archaic and now this is a definitive way no pun intended to play that game So yeah, it's interesting. So obviously we don't have thousand-year door in our hands, right? So it's hard to say with a 100 certainty, but my perspective is with thousand-year door Because I look at it and everything is different like art style wise, right? And so I think that game has likely been like 100 redone or like 99 redone, right? And then I look at uh definitive edition in terms of the main campaign I would say it's maybe like 90 95 done, right? But it does have this other extensive campaign and they use what the bianna shoulder that was like cut content They made that into its own thing And there is a lot of like new content in there and as you said, there's a lot of improvements, too So like the overall package like I you know, the way I've always looked at at definitive edition It's they've made it into effectively a modern zina way game And maybe that's really all that matters, right? Because in the case of paper one thousand-year door If you haven't played it before by the way, I never finished thousand-year door on gank you I didn't own it. I've only like enjoyed it at friends houses. So for me, this is effectively a new paper Mario game So it's definitely worth 60 dollars. I might even have paid 74, but you know I'm not going to ask for something. They're not doing right, but It's mine. Don't it's it's worth it. But $80. Don't pay $80 for the new $80. I know I'll pay a hundred hundred 20 It's a it's a bid it we're bidding for it. Yeah, that's that's a good point though with with the whole Like how much is a remake worth because people will always bring up the argument?  It is effectively a new game to them for them So I think it's kind of sort of like an integrity thing like how much work Did they really put into it? But I feel like in terms of the game itself and like a value that it's offering like I think for example with paper Mario No one should be complaining about The price of that because people were begging for it forever So it's like if something like that happens like like with the Metroid Prime remasters for instance I think there was a little bit of a discussion on that Uh, whether or not the price was justified. Well, it's like everyone was like begging for that forever Not so I just is a quick reminder. How much was Metroid Prime remaster 40 bucks? Right Yeah, I was gonna say the same thing which is like, I don't think it is about integrity I think it's about how much I can get away with charging Because I feel like Metroid primary mastered for 40 No, that's Incredibly insane. Honestly, I think yeah master should be a 60 dollar game Yeah, it could have been. Yeah No one would have complained about it just arguably the most visually impressive game on switch It's yeah like like if it if it was 60 dollars just for the sake of this example I don't necessarily feel like people should be able to complain because it's a game that was so hotly requested So it's like if they give it to you take the price that they give it to you for type of thing As long as it's like wonder to like that was a game cube game Obviously and and we also have to take into consideration like the second hand market and how much Some of those games are now like cranked up like what's the fire emblem that's on there 120 bucks 130 or something to try to get that again may lays absurd pricing It's like I feel like if you look back at Metroid Prime or Paper Mario and you tried to get that initial thing Like I haven't done research on this But I would be curious to know from one of you if you have If you were familiar with like what the prices were before if maybe the remakes or the re-releases have brought down the prices of Those games. Oh, there you go then. Okay. Well, great. Yeah, so that's another like added bonus to this Metroid Prime 2 echoes on game cube is currently 82 dollars and 26 cents on uh, uh, amazon So if they end up doing Yeah, the first one on game um 27 dollars and 94 cents. Yeah. Wow. That's interesting how much they bring it down Yeah, there you go.   Oops. Oh well, this is like unrelated, but it just brought it reminded me of How everyone is always asking especially around this time of year for like the pokemon games to get Released on nintendo switch online or something like that And that reason you just mentioned is the reason why it will either very seldom happen or never happen because the pokemon company I personally believe Likes the fact that the resale value of the games is so high because it artificially like makes the pokemon brand More valuable. So I I feel like there's sort of like a stock that they take and having those games be so valuable Which I feel like is part of the reason why they Don't really like to release them that often Makes sense Yeah, yeah, I'll hold my opinions on that With the we you uh, nintendo, I think One of the only like one of the Hottest sellers and like the only thing that people like to do on their we use was by the virtual console games and It made like every indie studio or third party game Sell terrible because people would just buy virtual games over like those things And that's why a lot of companies started to go away not just because obviously because of the way we you like sold like shit But like literally Those like them selling those games on virtual console took away from third party sales and even their own game sales Because people were just not hyped about it And I think that's one of the reasons why there was no virtual consoles to switch and they were very careful with only Like doing a little bit and not making it so you could buy it So people would buy like all those like e-shop hidden gems and whatever and Nintendo's own new I you know new games or new ip's Whatever they were doing like them selling. Yes, they would make money but That they're that would take away from sales of other games on the system people that don't buy every single game Would buy a lot more to sell stuff and be a lot less willing to try new stuff Which would in turn Hurt the next sales for those games and I think Nintendo just felt that strongly with the we you and even though that was a very That system sold very poorly. It was a very small thing I think that made them very weary and like they just You know now that the switch is like ending They're cool with like putting out a lot more. It's a nice thing to do before Going to their next console It's not like it's gonna you know Everyone's already had gotten to eat right like on on the original switch And I think here's all you're there. Probably yeah Yeah, I think we can probably expect to see a similar thing with would switch too Where maybe they'll give us a little bit like a couple really big games But I don't think that they're going to bring the virtual console back anytime. Oh, see I I disagree I actually think specifically switch online because of the fact that it's not virtual console And you don't own them and it's tied to the subscription service I feel like that specifically is one thing that will probably carry over to the next system Just yeah, no, that's that's different than virtual console. Oh for sure 100%. Yeah. Yeah. No, I didn't say anything about that Oh, okay, I miss her Because I think that's like the added manufacturing value of then having the price Yeah, no, I I agree. I agree totally totally. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I do agree with you I think virtual console as we know it is dead I I don't see a world in which they bring back where you can buy the games individually Unless they purposely choose to re-release that game something along the lines of like a paper mario thousand-year door Luigi's mansion So I see that doing that the end of every console's like cycle like, okay We've beaten the system to death sold everything we want Now let's give the you know, the people everything that they've been asking for And it's it's a weird thing to kind of look at because like I think those of us who are in the call Probably feel differently or might you feel differently from people who are like the next generation growing up, right? Like I think we have all had the opportunity to buy these games on Wii U virtual console Buy these games on 3ds buy these games on Wii virtual console I feel like I own four different versions of like the original Legend of Zelda or like Bound every system. It was really Now I'm at a point where it's like I I don't necessarily feel the need I think like the option would be nice for sure But it's certainly dropped like lower on my totem pole of things I definitely need from the next system to have a virtual console simply because like the ones that are available on nso Like I look forward to seeing what they throw on there and I'm not committed to then having to buy it again For like 15 bucks or something. Yeah I don't think it's gonna transfer straight over like everything we have on it. So yeah, I think so too And but like the other thing is what's interesting is with these remasters that were like we had the chance to play or whatever The people that never played them There's not that much interest. It's a lot less than you think if you you can just look at the sales Yeah, and like assume. Okay, probably most of people have played this before and are like nostalgic Maybe haven't played it since they were a kid, but they're buying it and then solely not that many more Who'll who'll also buy it? So it's not like this awesome thing that they're re-releasing it for new people because they're not buying it They're buying the new stuff and they they're just not that interested And I mean it's like none of us feels that way or thinks that way Right, but for like the younger audience. It really isn't like exciting to them. It's just like, okay Whatever what they're mario's in fortnight?  So, right, right exactly and that also corresponds to sales as well Right like eric was talking about playing tears of the kingdom earlier on stream I feel like you look at the sales for things like breath of the wild or tears of the kingdom and the multi millions You know doing significantly better than zelda ever did before Like I do think there is still going to be an audience I feel for zelda for sure and like traditional dungeon 2d remake whatever like i'm sure they're going to keep doing that But it definitely feels like the future of the franchise and like what we're going to be getting like For the major games is more open world tears of the kingdom breath of the wild style kind of stuff Well, I think and I don't I Oh go ahead go ahead your turn. Oh, I was just gonna add that like I think I would somewhat disagree with jake's point about like How the sales can be affected maybe for like a remake or just like something that's like Just a straight one-to-one rehash. I think you can look at brilliant diamond and uh shining pearl for as an example That's no no, I mean isn't like uh that that that does usually that that did hold true But what I would like to say though is I think that there are certain special cases like I think the favorite mario game is going to do like this remake or remaster or whatever you want to call it Is going to do Eons better and I think that's why you saw things like metroid primary master do so well because like you were Like the amenities were improved. What two million When another nintendo game would sell 10 20 30 million Yeah, what was In the sales for mario RPGs remake because I know Andres, what's the numbers? I'm surprised. I meant right now. Let's see You didn't I haven't said anything What's our numbers tell them I think the RPG numbers you're like three million last time I well primary master is above a million Um, some some people think it's around a what one and a half. Um, so when jake said two million I was like I'll just I'll let I'll let I This is incredible. I didn't even realize it. So my RPG did pretty good for all of it Yeah, it says throughout the entire run of the original super mario rpg Uh mario rpg the original game managed to sell 2.14 million units and that in the first three months alone Of super mario rpg on switch. It sold 3.14 So I that's not a lot for a switch game with that user base But for for a niche it's only been out It's only been up a few months Continuing to at least like re-release it in a significant way where you're getting Thank you for acknowledging. It's niche. Yeah, it's not. Oh, it totally is niche. Yeah I gotta say something here. This is a relative term right like you would niche like three millions a big freaking deal There are a lot of game companies that would dream of having that premiere titles call three million Let me ask you this andres if they released a brand new mario game right now Do you think it would sell like three million in that time? That would be nothing for a new mario game. Yeah, that's what we're not But the thing is mario rpg is not a mainline mario game You know Yeah, I guess a better comparison would be if I guess a better comparison would be When this paper mario drops to compare origami king to When whatever the numbers of thousand year door does I think that would be that would be what came out during christmas Right like or or we could there's a reason why things come up for the holidays Yeah within that time period because I think that would be a more fair comparison because they are like similar game genres and Because the argument you're trying to make is that the remakes of older games are Who's making this argument don't do as well? jay Or like remasters come out of games that are like 20 plus years old uh Like we're hyped to play them but like the players that haven't have never played them before like younger players Don't care at all. Like If you never played them, but you grew up during that era, you're gonna be a one aspect So I looked up I looked up um the sales just while you guys were talking about mario 3d all stars because I think that Yeah goes in line with what we're talking about at least nine million. Yeah That's what it says nine million and to put that perspective like mario 3d world the mainline Mario game that was on the we you which obviously had a much smaller install base significantly smaller install base than the switch Sold 5.8. And so I think the justification for For nintendo right for re-releasing some of those older games Like you guys are mentioning right like the younger audience might not necessarily be interested They're hitting on that like collector's demographic with things like 3d all stars They're hitting on the nostalgia aspect totally master actually they I think there's a little bit of that too That's why they had the shallow drop and then two weeks. They're like, hey, we're still gonna release a physical version I think they did the same thing for pick one and two as well Right, it's cool. Collector's want the criticals, right? But but in actuality, right? Like you said if they made a new 3d mario on the switch, obviously you get 20 million 20 million in like two weeks seven million Yeah, or even even re-releases. Yeah, and that's exactly Yeah, not like I'm saying there were games aren't good games or people shouldn't be of course, of course That's what I'm talking about Exactly I'm talking about the perspective of the generation that's younger than us totally We don't get to see often on this show. There's a there's there's um We're a bunch of other things that think of me said Yeah, no, I have I have lots of friends with kids that age like and I'm not old I'm still 20 and like and like I see and like Nate. I don't know if you can speak to this at all, Nate like What do you want me to speak to exactly? Like like how do your kids feel about like when we remasters of like those older games? They don't give two flying shits Thank you. Do they want they don't care about the game? They don't care if it's a remake or a remaster if it looks like So they just think it's a new game for them. It's just a game. Yeah. Well, I mean when we were kids It was just a game Yeah, yeah That's almost the beauty of having it be so accessible with nso though because I feel like then If for the kids who are growing up now, right who actually do have an interest in Game archives and older games or stuff. It's it's more readily accessible They don't have to spend $15 every time there's a game that looks remotely interesting, right? And also I think a lot of those kids as they get older will want to play older games Like I'm sure lots of us Yeah Overlooks games that came out like a little before our time and then as we got older and like like, you know Whether it was through youtube or another way find out these games were great. We went as we got a little older We went back and played them like oh, they're awesome Yeah, I've gone back and played a lot of different games They're for the first time in college because I was too young when they came out And those games are literally my best like favorite games of all time changed my life Completely turned my head on like what games I like and what games I don't so yeah, you're totally right There's definitely still people who will grow up and and find that it's just not necessarily for everybody. Yeah Yeah, and nintendo understands their market Yeah, and they want to make stuff for the collectors. They want to make itself for that generation They and but they also want to make sure they make the stuff that sells Which is why they changed the whole direction of zelda Which is why they changed the whole direction of pokemon and adding another mainline series to pokemon Yep, I mean They know what they're doing with their games like that some of their marketing decisions and stuff are very questionable But like they make awesome games yeah I want to talk a little bit about just how they brand some of their games This is also one of the reasons why I think thousand year doors are remake because if you look at Link's awakening remake of mario rpg They just put the title Right for their remakes and that's that's what they've done with thousand year door And so what's kind of interesting about that? However, you choose to define these games, right? um is that they The way they're being positioned if you don't know about its past You're just gonna think it's a new game But if you just walk into a game store a soccer mom walks to the game store and wants to get a You know a game for little jimmy or tommy and they're like, oh, what's this? A thousand year door. Oh, it's a game that just came out. Okay. Well, they'll probably love that, right? So they don't even know if it's a remake. Yeah, it's just a yeah It's kind of like what Nate was saying. Yeah, exactly when it contrasts the metro primary mastered It's there. It's literally being branded as a remaster, you know, or like louis mentioned to hd You know, it's an hdification of an older game See that's one thing that stands out to me and believe me. I am like professional nintendo defender I love nintendo. They can do no wrong. I love them But right louis just mentioned two things specifically does sit a little weird with me. That's like one big one normally like these hd re-releases whatever like i'm usually cool with But that in particular what they're doing with that calling it louis just mentioned two when obviously in every other region It always was louis just mentioned two, but here it was dark moon There's something odd to me about them not sticking with the name dark moon and I think that's actually like honorable of them because I think it would be more easily implied That it was a brand new louis mansion game if they shut with dark moon If they if they just call louis mansion three exists on the switch calling it to hd Is a lot more clear that yeah, it's brand new So I kind of like that they're doing that. Yeah It also gives me hope. Maybe I didn't re-release louis mansion one. Yeah. Yeah. No, no What I mean is like I think they could have called it dark moon hd But instead they're calling it louis mansion two hd Which could potentially confuse some consumers who played dark moon and were like there was a louis mansion two Oh, cool. They're re-releasing it. I'll give it a try and in actuality. It's like this Do you really think anyone that played louis mansion dark moon doesn't think that louis mansion two is Look, I used to work as a brand ambassador product demonstrator for nintendo like years ago After I graduated from college the amount of people who thought we you was simply an add-on for the we Yeah, yeah, I think yeah, most people did yeah Yeah, and I feel like it might be something similar to that I'm not saying it's like a substantial audience, right? And I I'm not necessarily like degrading them for calling it too I just thought it was like an interesting thing to note that they're calling it what it was called in the other region When again, I think it's very clear for those of us who are in the know that like the hd Equals it is a re-release in hd pretty simple, but I think I am always stunned by the I'm trying to think of like a nice way to put it, but like the way that the consumers Sometimes take the titles of some of these games and and don't necessarily know what it is. They're actually buying. Yeah Yeah Cool welcome back by the way Hello, sorry. I had to take a bus. That's all right Eric That's really graphic. Do you give two shits about remastering masters? Do you just like just give me what I want?  I want to play but um, what about when they mess it up? Oh god I love when they mess it up We both thought crystal chronicles. We were so excited for that to come back It was such a good opportunity with that game And we needed it too since you needed all the accessories before now, man, they ruined it Well game Crystal chronicles hd What is that final fantasy? So they're final fantasy chronicles Yeah, it's been off game that was a game cube that then which also was great. Did you guys play it back in the day with? Yeah, we need it. Yeah, it's awesome, man Man, yeah, yeah, they butchered it anyways No, my biggest thing is is it just seems kind of arbitrary with Nintendo on like their pricing wise Like it feels like some games they put in a whole bunch of effort into and it's 40 bucks And the next game it feels like they don't do any effort into it like Who picks this why? I I could I could tell you all these remakes should be less but I don't know it just I just think they do what they can think they can get away with Oh, I realized and I realized but It's just it feels like they put in a whole bunch more effort into some of these other ones and then all of a sudden it's like you know We're we're releasing these for 40 and it's like I I can give you a I could give you a prime example of that So primary mastered with this how amazing it like as it looked as much space said best looking game on the switch It was only 40 bucks But if they ever brought Uh wind waker twilight princess to the switch or switch 2 you better believe it's going to be Even if it's just a port even if it's just like straight across The only the only one that was really weird that was now it was just a port was mario 3d all stars Yes, where you got three games Like we were talking about earlier too It was like because of the collectors aspect I think is why it was expensive because you they knew already people were going to go out there They announced that it was like limited they ended up putting was it like a month or two after they did expansion pack for n64 and nso Then mario 64 was available there. There's now no way to get galaxy or sunshine because we don't yeah That's a lot of reason why it was weird. Yeah, right But I I feel like we talked about that earlier as well too with nso probably carrying over like I feel like at some point they're just going to keep adding more systems We'll eventually get a gamecube one. We'll eventually get a we won or whatever But Please bro, please I think we got dream guys. Oh Genesis nto Doing another mario 3d all stars and it's literally the exact same thing Except with galaxy 2 oh for switch 2 and it's a one-year thing and it's the only way to get galaxy 2 Even if you already bought 3d all stars with the first three The only way to get galaxy 2 is to find that one Get it again. You gotta get it. What's the next anniversary for mario is 40? I think so. Yeah What's funny though is that it has both Universities depending on what you look at do you want to look at it from donkey kong? Do you want to look at it from mario brother? Do you want to look at it from 3d mario? They've chosen different dates for different things Well, when did they do their 35th year just figure five years after that? I think We're coming up on the 40th anniversary Literally, we're probably gonna get a new mainline game for the next switch though, right? That's my Oh, here's our new mainline one that launches with the system going by the way Five months later. We dropping a fomo all-stars game again. Have a good day or they do it the other way Hey, they made sure to ride that year of luigi train for a while. So Oh I could see them though making every mario game that's ever come out available on switch Before 3d mario, you know, kind of it's kind of like what the different pigment one and two They made every pigment game available It's I honestly am kind of thinking that they're gonna make luigi's mansion one available like a really quick easy Like, you know, like like picking one and two before the weed is message came out already ready or am I crazy? Not no It's luigi's mansion 2 hd as well I could see next year being like let's just do the remake that was on 3ds And do luigi's mansion hd, which is the hd version of the 3ds remake of the game cube game and then sell that for All i'm asking for is to give me the the the straight game cube game upscale switch controls That's all i'm asking for I do be loving luigi's mansion one. That's my favorite game ever. Oh, and that's the version It's basically Dude, I want this Starfox assault Yes, i'm lying multiplayer. That's all i need Kirby air ride city trial Bring that baby back Mario's these delbets forget it These mario's these zeldas Yeah, couldn't be me star Fox, baby. Yeah Kerbo, oh my gosh. Yes. No. Yeah, um I don't know I had something that and I lost it. I'm sorry. I'm I'm sleeping. Yeah, it's gone. It's gone Out of here went to the bathroom and it's just all gone now. It just hits it all out Um, oh, let's get let's get to our next topic here. Uh, because it's kind of a cool We actually have actual news about the zelda movie this last week, which no one really thought we were gonna get this week and it's kind of a Not news but is news because he's trying to build some hype for it. I can tell what he's doing here So, uh, the director of the movie west wall did a Interview, uh, which I don't know if the full interviews been published yet. We only have snippets of it That's all I could find because it's it's going in some publication. Uh, I may I believe at some point this week But the quotes say that I haven't this awesome idea I've been thinking about it for a long freaking time of how cool a zelda movie would be I want to fulfill people's greatest desires I know it's important the zelda franchise to people and I want it to be a serious movie a real movie That can give people an escape and then they say like ball even points to that escapism saying that I want to live in that world As the driving force behind the zelda movie then it says that's the thing I want to try to create It's got to feel like something real Something serious and cool But fun and whimsical I'm holland and zendaya guys link and zelda easy done I have a Comment about this. Yes. So I've seen The these like quotes that have come out from this interview and an interesting thing that I saw in response to these quotes like specifically the I want to fulfill everyone's desires like I saw everyone saying in response to that Oh, well, you should make it an animated movie then because like I feel like the majority of people just want an animated movie versus live action and I'm kind of I am like one of the few people I feel like who wants the opposite and I was kind of The kid I've been wanting live actions I was kind of thinking about this in my head and I was like well I can understand why people want animated because it's like it's easier to pull off a good movie with animated But with I also feel like it's the safer point because if you go when if you go with live action and you pull it off You get a greater Right No, no, no, no as an anime fan I totally disagree if you give me a studio jibbly zelda movie.  Yes, however, I agree with animated with animated It would I would not in a million years want a zelda movie Akin to like I wouldn't want an illumination Oh, yeah, you know what the middle no no when illumination was like we want to touch zelda It's like stick to mario and I'm glad they're like we're making a mario sequel I don't want them touching zelda in a million years, but yeah dream scenario Obviously as an anime fan is like studio ghibli-esque zelda, especially when so much of the concept art of those early zelda games Was like so obviously inspired by yonstica and just early Miyazaki. Yeah Okay, and breathed a while they're like it's like a breath literally Yeah And the thing is you could even like you don't even have to go the whole anime round that you could kind of do like avatar Or just like I don't know just some sort of like 2d and I feel like 2d animation would really They don't know necessarily like I think it could really translate very well Even if you did like that pain or I don't know I think it looked I mean even if the illumination was right If there was a world in which they were like we are going to make zelda I would personally and obviously feel free to disagree with me But like if if that was the case and we had to live in that world Yeah, I'd be okay if it looked like links awakening or something like that where it was highly stylized Cues, yeah, okay They wanted to find a way to make the universe's work for like an eventual smash or whatever Imagine to me it looked like an old disney movie That would be awesome right like would be beautiful the hands on 2d definitely would have been perfect for it But I I'm definitely in the camp that like feels like with the direction they're going with it I'm totally fine with it being live action.  Yeah, yeah Yeah, to me to me the to me the just the general like crux of the issue is that live action is riskier But with a higher payoff. Yes. I was thinking about I was thinking about it I was thinking about it personally and I was like because a lot of people are obviously comparing this to like the lord of the rings movies And it's like if they had did a super awesome like animated lord of the rings movie I don't feel like it would have had the impact that the live action ones do because the live action just kind of Has that sort of quality to it that kind of it just has something that the animated versions don't so I feel like You can sort of like have it you have a safer pick and you can still make an amazing animated movie Like I would love animated studio give me zelda like that would be incredible But I just don't like in general. I feel like the payoff is greater with live action Even well, I don't think that necessarily applies when you're it's a video game that where it's always been an animated video game Like an animated movie would actually be paying homage to the source material And if you think how like impactful some of the games have been To have an art style that matches or comes close to that the way the mario movie did for mario Yeah, like we've had a live action mario movie and I actually freaking love that movie But like it doesn't feel like mario And there's lots of reasons for that But I think even a live action mario that came out today wouldn't be the same So I think it's an interesting debate because zelda is a very different type of franchise And we've had things aesthetically similar Like lord of the rings like game of thrones And so because we've had those things we like them. I think It would translate really well to live action and I could like see it I it's interesting because I don't agree or disagree with you honestly hoops because like I can see it like a live action being done right being way more impactful But like the other thing is I can also see an animated one Because it's a video game. We have so much source material. That's that's like that I think the animated one actually being More impactful as well. So I don't really know what I want I but I think we all agree. We just want it done right whichever direction So this this is my feeling and I'm not like super picky on movies Like there's movies people think are bad that I just thoroughly enjoy Um, I even enjoy the original mario brothers movie. I don't people come on me for that I actually really enjoyed it for what it was anyways Uh, I I've always look I I I love animated stuff But I've always preferred live action movies in general over animation. That's just always been a preference of mine Doesn't mean I don't like cartoons and my animated shows and I'm like, I'm Interesting people seem to really love the live action disney movies way more than the animated ones Here's the thing though. They were animated first Oh, you mean like zelda was interesting I actually But look Let look look at this use me with with the with the disney movies They obviously have a reputation for sucking But people keep like going to them and they keep working because I think there's an inherent novelty with like a live Action version of something that just provides a draw. Well for the disney specifically, I think it's just more nostalgia I think it's those franchises they can make anything And put like if it's a Movie people will pay to see it. Yeah for sure. I think there is something else Jake to say that it is crossing a different medium though, too. It's a it's a movie versus a video game where you know the um And it the disney ones were animated movies first And it still stays in the movie realm That going to live action. It's different We're coming from a video game to a movie and changing from you know Animated to live action is a little bit I would say it's actually depends eric because like you have something like on charted. That's a hyper realistic Video game that it makes perfect sense to do live action. If you have a cartoon based video game like mario it makes sense to Be animated But I think zelda could really go either way Great, and I'm not agreeing with you. I'm just saying it's it's a little bit more acceptable I think coming from a video game being for sure. It's more I agree movie up to a movie. That's live action, you know, no, I actually agree with you too, eric I mean, that's what I'm saying is I literally couldn't pick Like I can see both being really good. Oh, absolutely So I'll tell you why I really like the idea of the live action stuff more than the animated I don't immerse myself in a lot of games where I actually escape and have that feeling of escapism Like I don't escape into the mario world. I play it for fun, right? So I'm not looking for a movie to bring me into that world I'm looking to just watch the world and enjoy whatever it has to provide Didn't bring you into the world though It didn't really bring me in I didn't feel like I was mario and living in that world It didn't it didn't take me out of my life. My life was still going on It was just like watching a movie, but I'm playing a game Yes, you have a different definition of bringing into the world. That's all right Well, yeah, because escape to me is literally like when I'm playing zelda I'm link. I'm in that world. That's me doing it. That's how I feel And so a lot of action to me feels more akin to trying to take something I've been feeling for 30 years and now finally make it real on a screen where I get to see This feeling I had growing up as being this character and escaping my life into this game And now it's like and now it's happening before me in a setting I can relate to Because this I could see these trees in real life. I could see castles. I could see all this Yeah, okay That's also interesting to think about even in terms of like the two gamecubes zeldas, right? Because I remember like the backlash that happened when one waker was first announced and they went with that really cartoony very stylized look and then also at the same time like the the eventual Opinion on one waker being like, oh, no, this is actually beautiful. It's cool. They did something different with it But then we also got Twilight Princess and seeing that initial Like shock of people seeing like a realistic looking zelda like they were expecting when the gamecube first announced It was inspired by Lord of the Rings. I did for it. Yeah, exactly I feel like there's definitely specifically with this franchise with zelda I feel like there is a kind of a demand for both And I think that's why you're seeing both kind of be successful too. You get the stylized little Link's awakening thing you also get breath of the wild and tears of the kingdom I think the big question that I have for everybody is like This to me comes down to story and execution, right? And I do wonder if they go the direction of the mario movie and have an original type story Set in the legend of zelda franchise or if they adapt One of the your stories that obviously people have already known and loved because I also think that could kind of change What people's expectations are for this if they decide like we're going to go with Twilight Princess or ocarina of time or something And do a adapted version of that in live action Could be very different from them doing a fully original zelda story in live action as well because then Certain expectations come in with that like scenes you're going to see in live action versus, you know Things you're you're not necessarily knowing they're coming, right? You're like you end up getting a Throwaway like cameo tingle or gannon dwarfs the villain or whatever and you don't know what you're expecting And I feel like that also kind of throws a wrench in things too So I am just curious sort of like on the whole consensus Do you guys want an adapted story or do you want an original story? I want an original story some of the themes adapted like I don't want to know what's happening I don't want to know what's happened and be like comparing it the whole time my head. I want to just experience it Yeah, original story with a lot of references to prior games Yes, I feel like it's a I feel like it's a fine line to walk though because in my head I feel like well if they adapt a specific game, how do they pick which one to do to me? I feel like if they were going to they would do the original just because it's like that's where it started That makes the most sense if you're going to pick just one But then I think it's kind of liberties with that too. Yeah, and then also with that Like you guys were saying it's like because it's kind of harder to pick which one to do It would kind of make a lot of sense to do an original But then like if you do an original story that's just like all its own I I feel like it can potentially run the risk of feeling kind of like fan fictiony If they don't like pull it off really well, I actually kind of disagree with that Just a little bit and just simply in the sense that I'll explain why right? It's just like so I find that with a lot of video game adaptations The issue they run into is that you're trying to make a video game into a movie The video game was made to be a video game right not a movie And so if we're trying to emulate a game too much Like if you try to think about awkward time or breath of the loud as a movie You're going to have to change a lot of things for it to work So like on my perspective just kind of like Yeah, I I'm that's there's gonna need to they're probably gonna have inspirations from a few different zelda games Right and try and find that proper marriage But I do think that they kind of have to look at this as a story And the the tricky part and this this is you know, maybe where this is what maybe they make or break it Is how do they tell a proper story for a movie? While conveying the sense of what zelda is and so that that's gonna be the challenging part, I think Yeah, I think I think it just like I said, it's a fine line because I feel like Because a game is so Because like the zelda games in particular are so structured and regimented that Proves harder to like translate into a movie story versus a video game story So it it I feel like everything has a better chance of like kind of flowing and feeling like just natural If you go that original route But at the same time you do run that risk of kind of making it feel like losing the authenticity of zelda by Just like messing up an original story versus let's say they just adapted ocarina of time or like borrowed heavily from it Even if the even if the movie wasn't like a home run You'd still have sort of like that Tried and true story that people would still enjoy to a certain degree seen on the big screen So I think ultimately it's just kind of like I think the better way to go. I would agree is sort of like A story that's built for a movie instead of a game But then you've just got to be very careful that you kind of Sort of take proper inspiration from the games themselves Make sure it flows good and feels natural. So it doesn't kind of feel Like a fan filler or something like that. Yeah, probably how are they going to do a dungeon? For example, like you know what they did with the mario movie was they made an origin story So I think I mean I think we can expect whatever the zelda is will be some form of an origin story Which are most zelda games anyways Yeah, I I do think the origin story side of things is interesting because that I think you can almost air on the side Of fan fiction a little bit because it's a different link, right? You could incorporate like him being a Like a quarry or whatever from oak rain of time or you could implement like the wind waker stuff Maybe he's on outside island with his like sister and his grandma or something Right, like you could incorporate other different aspects of link to put into that and I think make an interesting kind of legend for link in the movie without Like making the story itself feel fan fictiony, right? Like because I'm I'm right there with hoops where I do worry that like Whoever's making the film, right? They end up going. Okay. Well, we need to fit tingle in here somewhere We need to fit Ravalli in here somewhere We need and then that's when you get into this thing where they're pulling from all these of the zeldas And you're like bro, you didn't need to do all that give me zeldas Yeah, give me ganador. Yeah, I don't need all of this You know how I think it should be done is that they should make a good story That they that they think kind of fit zelda and as they build it They're like, oh, you know what? It would be a really good idea to put tingle here Like, you know, it has to work in kind of like in reverse where they start realizing Oh, these characters would would fit this role for what we're trying to do You write the story first and you find the characters that then make sense to be in that part of the story Instead of finding a place for the characters. Totally prime. I see you raising your hand, man Nintendo Dennis Joe, buddy new name. I know he's chillin with his hand raised like we're in college Hey, that's how it goes. So a couple of things I want to throw out there is Uh, first, obviously, it's really easy to do a live action bad. We see it all the time We see live action adaptations of books and games that have been just not good over the years I mean forever. I will be upset that aragon movie even exists Um, like I was excited for it and they butchered it. So how do you make elves without pointy ears? But it's not even that that's not even what upset the elves or people That's not even what upset me about it. That's just our budgetary reasons. That was like that beats the hell to me Um, they put all the budget into the dragon. I'm like, okay. Yeah. Well, you still messed up Saphira But here's the thing that here's here's why I wanted to be original and it's multiple facets One one reason I really wanted to be an original story is because of that mess up factor If you screw up an already established Zelda story in a movie as we have seen several times almost every single bad Adoption is them attempting to tell a story from a book or a video game again in a movie Uh, and that usually ends up not going over very well Uh, so I think there's a much higher risk They mess up the movie if they try to adapt ocular time or the original Zelda or whatever whatever story you want to do Even though that might be fan servicey I think one thing we do always forget with a movie like this is Zelda has an opportunity to reach audiences the video games don't and even if The fans hate the original story If the masses love it it is setting up a second a third a fourth movie And I share the image don't do that Zelda game might have a sequel But they don't they don't keep going for a long series of stories So I I think that the movies already have to be different in the games because It's like a different link. It's a difference out. No in a movie You're establishing characters people are going to go to the movies to see Eric you cut the image it fits his argument Sure. Oh, yeah, sure. Uh, I don't know what the image is. I'll throw it up here. Trust me It's not porn As soon as you said I didn't mean to derail Nate's point I just wanted to share this image because it serves his point, right? Like I I this is why I kind of agree with hoops as well That it kind of needs to be live action because it has the potential to reach That much larger audience, right? Like this is stuff from like the Nintendo's investors meetings They look at the theme park the movies and merchandise and mobile games to expand a number of people who have access to IP They want people to enjoy these things and then come back and play the the the base games on the switch or whatever's next So, yeah, I mean, I just totally agree. I you know, Nintendo's financials Literally tell us that's why they make these decisions And I think it kind of like the situation is tailored to different IPs so like with the mario movie Mario is like super mainstream So and it obviously just fits animation better But I feel like with a series like that that like everyone already has access to it's already like Engrained in the culture And like people's public like the public consciousness like it makes sense to go the animated route for that Whereas zelda first popular as it is it definitely feels like Like sort of blocked behind that video game wall where it it as pop like it's super popular But it's not like mainstream mario Unpopular and like and if you do an an yeah if you do it if you do an animated movie it might be awesome it might like Like generate a bunch of money, but it wouldn't necessarily Bust through that wall the way a live action Movie would which would obviously be great for nintendo and would be great for zelda as a whole so like again It's riskier, but it's like if you want to take that next step I think it's like the risk that you have to sort of take Yeah, you know to add to all your points too I think something else you brought up prime that is like really a good thing to note Is that with this if you're not adapting it right if you are creating an original story You have the opportunity to create This version of link this version of zelda and this version of ganondorf Which zelda is unique in unlike the other nintendo franchises like i see you're nodding along too because you know with mario mario is mario Right, there's no multiversal mario. There's no, you know older version of mario other than like a couple other side things right There mario is mario whereas link they have an opportunity to create an original story an original link an original zelda And original ganondorf that all have their unique backstory that can coexist Alongside, you know the breath of the wild stuff alongside all the legends and all the links that we've seen You know over the course of the past 30 some years So yeah, like links have different hair colors for example and zelda like they're not Yeah, do you guys think they're gonna go with pink? I don't love pink He might he might have he might be a brunette instead of blonde, you know We'll see yeah a way that I actually you just made me think of this roger That would be incredible Because nintendo's obviously I mean it looks like they're very heavily involved with the production of this movie So they're not just handing it off to someone else I think the the a great way to do this would actually be to sort of treat it like an entry of the game where it's like Obviously it's got its own settings separate from the game that came before it or whatever And you basically treat it like an official entry in the zelda series But it's simply just a movie instead of a game So like it would take place in like the same timeline. It would be like canonical events or whatever But it would just be a movie medium instead of a video game medium And that would that's a cool opportunity. They have with this totally Yeah, that would that would sort of justify the original story aspect of it to where like it could be different It could do its own thing because it's another sort of like retelling just like the games do It's just doing it as a movie Yeah, yeah, um, you know, it's interesting like if you go, but you know, like there's that that one Extremely high breath of the wild trailer and then there's also that one extremely high tears the canyon trailer And when you play the games, it doesn't quite match up the same way like They're really they they have the talent to to convey a really exciting story But because they're always trying to fit the story On to a game after the fact the story is not as good as it could be But with a movie the story is the focus So I think there's actually a lot of potential and I'll just say this because I know a lot of people are concerned I don't think nintendo would have greenlit this project if they didn't think it was going to if it was not going to be successful I think nintendo is extremely careful about these things. There's a reason. There's the first time we're getting as all the movie They have waited all this time because they were waiting until it was the right time and the right talent and resources to put it together So once the nintendo said they were going to do it. I was like, oh, they finally found the way where they think they can make it right So i'm confident it's going to be good That final breath of the wild trailer is still the greatest trailer i've ever seen so Yeah, if they can do anything like that in the game, I'll be good. Oh, man. Exactly. Yeah How do you guys think the movie would be like the way i've sort of envisioned it as a live action Like I kind of envisioned it kind of like the hobbit series Not so much lord of the rings that I think that might be a little bit too dark But more steering towards the hobbit that's maybe a little bit more CGI heavy So you're still going to have a lot of very fanciful magical environments and characters But it's still live action at the same time And so I think sometimes people when they hear live action they're thinking oh, it's going to be like, you know An action movie set in the 21st century like I don't think it's going to look it's not going to be that It's still going to be like this really cool magical fantasy medieval world Um, but it's gonna have you know, it's just it's going to be it's going to have a lot of special effects. I think Yeah What they do it's getting the full hollywood Big movie treatment and that to me means even if you don't like the actors and you don't like the script To the environments are going to be sick. Yeah Something else to be sick For sure. Um, something else things should be noted though, right? So like the mara movie was not critically acclaimed But I don't think that was by design like I don't think that anyone at Within the team making the movies, you know what this movie is going to be a hit with critics I don't think that was their goal. I think their goal was to appeal to an extremely large audience and have it be really fun Which is exactly what it was. What it was. And so with the zelda movie I don't know exactly what their goal is going to be But i'm just saying i'm not expecting this this movie to win, you know, all sorts of awards Yeah But just about my expectation Because I was a bit more serious and and I mean west ball even said that they're like, hey, this is like a serious thing This isn't just like a whimsical, you know, free free for all like, yeah, you got to have your fun moments, but Uh, he seems to be like, hey, this is like something that he's taken seriously He knows how serious it is it could be that kind of movie that Like mario I think was always just expected be a fun kids movie that mario fans of all generations are going to love That's what it was. It wasn't trying to like go out and and and tell like, you know These gripping lessons and and try to be a toy story level have to reinvent mario Yeah, it was just right. We're trying to be fun. I mean look at the minions movies They're rated like garbage, but people keep going to them. They just want to have fun They just want to they're not trying to win.  They're just trying to have a good time. And that's what the mario movie did I think with the zelda movie It's actually gonna be I think a lot more serious than the mario movie and because of that There's an opportunity that it could be one of those movies where yeah Other than they're going into it with a goal of oh, we want to win a bunch of awards But I think they're trying to treat it a lot more serious than you've even seen things like say the unchartered movie I think it's going to be even more serious than that movie was um, I I was like I you look at like a west ball is done in like maze runner, which was a pretty serious series Now he's doing the plan under the apes again another very serious movie You know where what they kind of want this for zelda to be like they want Yeah, you guys think they will Go like the marble route where it's like serious, but then they add like the silly little funny quips in there Or yes, yeah, they'll be cute moments most definitely I think very totally that's such a Yeah, I feel like totally that's a big issue they have right is finding out How much humor they're going to introduce and then also how serious you want to make it At the end of the day it is still like a nintendo pictures thing But I feel like so much of that comes down to casting like who they because I I don't know about you guys But like personally I think this is one of those projects that you maybe have like one big a-list actor And honestly, I feel like that's your ganondorf. You get like an aedris elva type for ganondorf someone Well-known beloved someone really good for ganondorf, but you make like the zelda and the link You maybe you don't go for someone like a tom holland person day or something, right? You go for someone who's maybe like a newer and up-and-coming actor Who could then fit the bill and and really happen to their own Turn into just like they did with the harry potter series.  Where's our next He's back with them, which I'm what's his name. I forget his name who? Daniel Radcliffe. Daniel Radcliffe.   So maybe you know what you're doing. Yeah The other one a great point.    Yeah Yeah, uh No, I was just gonna say on the topic of navi. I think that's a great thing to bring up Like the idea of potentially maybe even having that be your core a list actor or something, right? I actually like that idea was established within the world of acting, right? Navi's gonna be Scarlett Johansson Navi would be fire This is super random Oh, what you remember hook. Yeah, dude. That's what I was thinking. I love that Oh my god, she's like, yeah Oh, yeah, yeah, I gotta Hell, yeah, well, I think they will take hopefully they take it in the right direction. I mean, I I think I could see either warm Live action or animated just don't I just want to say I'm also a huge anime fan I'm a huge anime fan too. So I say I argue live action as a huge anime fan I just think as who I think the the potential You know, I I agree after listening. I I think I agree that like live action probably would Have a better long-term ramifications, but I think It wouldn't feel like link it would feel like I Gotta get I gotta get a pona the chat talk now my cat's apparently gonna be a poem. Oh go get him All right, who are we casting in this chat? All right one Nate is Zelda two. Oh my god, Jake is the link I am not Zelda. Sorry Gannon is is uh is uh, undress 1000 percent True. I'll be straight on.  I live in tingle. I Will be tingle or you could be um or oh my god, what's her name? It's an every like deltas sidekick or like companion Impa yeah, impa's pretty cool. She's a Well, who could be impa who would be a good actor for impa? I don't know The lady no game of thrones. They're really tall blond lady It depends on it does depend on if you go like old impa or like ocarina time impa But I was thinking if you do ocarina of time style impa A scarlet Johansson esk character would be good just because like I feel like I get a lot of black widow vibes from Okay, okay. Yeah, someone someone who's like athletic, right?  Yeah, I was thinking the actress for Wonder Woman What's her name? Oh, yeah In France, I didn't actually see the movies though If that happened The internet would just like explode. I didn't explode. They could that would that would sell tickets. That would sell us so many tickets Man Nintendo you heard of your um I don't this is so this is random slightly political but random, but it is related to video games Sega just voted to unionize so and they are the first video game company to Win a vote to unionize so congratulate. I'm a very pro union person So this just who are also pro union. Yeah, I know it like tweeted out like a little bit ago Congratulations to the employees at sega and congratulations to workers rights within the industry Is that sega in california? Or is that sega? Let me let me find the tweet again because it was a more perfect union tweeted it out interesting Uh, but they won their first vote or whatever Yeah, oh, I saw I saw it No, I went on twitter I saw still and I got so scared because I just saw shigeru Miyamoto. Oh my god. What happened? It says breaking sega workers just won their first union contract at a main at any major video game company in america And then they follow up tweet says workers in the workers in the union also known as the allied employees guild improving sega The they have a twitter now like a twitter at one an important concession for from sega of america as part of the contract You know I think this might be the california the one in america. Yeah casting for link. Let's hear it um robbie from cobra kai Oh, interesting. Okay. Okay. I don't know who that robbie Cobra honestly, but those actors I think are like the right age right right even if it wasn't that actor I think that's totally what they should go for right that's the level of celebrity They should maybe be aiming for someone who's not super well known someone who's shown to be athletic Totally, I think that's like Sorry, we got an old grizzled link You can't have link be 50 by the third one Yeah We moved away from a little bit, but I do want to uh stress this as well because flam you were talking about it earlier as well is the idea of Not necessarily like you had the live action or the animated right? I think zelda again is unique in the situation where if this is successful I could also see them eventually doing an animated one and having grizzled exists You could have a very stylistically different animated film and also have a live action one It really just depends on how much like the two of us watch right should maybe be Yeah, no exactly and you were and you guys were saying how They could take it in so many different directions and that made me think of did you guys ever watch the star? Oh my god, what is it called star wars? Um It's that star wars series on disney plus where no not cologne wars where they did bad bad They did a bunch of different uh anime styles like each episode was its own short story Like it was its own story and each episode was in a different style of anime Um by different studios like studio ghibli did an episode and uh some other studio like On on table unfold table. I can't remember which ones they do.  Yeah, exactly that would work so well him walking around selling things to different people like hi Exactly Like little It'd be great. It'd be fantastic. Yeah, someone has to get some stuff when he just box them in the head I'm trying to Star wars What is it called star wars? Visions star wars visions.  Go ahead. No, go ahead Uh, just because you were talking about the ghibli thing. I someone doing. Yeah, I don't know if you saw this prime and said Could Miyazaki work with Miyamoto considering Miyazaki's history of collaborating with others I mean Like he's gotta be retired. He's retired. He's retired three times now to be there But I mean studio ghibli like you said they've worked on the star wars stuff And I mean they're they're not opposed to working on other Potential. Yeah, I think it's a matter of like it might not be their a-list talent But I could totally see studio ghibli being you know working on something zelda related in the future for sure Oh, yeah I found out there is a season two of star wars vision. So I know I will be watching tonight as I go too bad But no, but yeah, that's what it's called star wars visions. It's very great as again They're all like the first episode is like my favorite in my opinion But there's like they're all just their own little episode is its own story They're not related to each other, but they're all in different animation styles and it's it's really cool It's really cool. Cool um So we'll get to the Q&A section of the night remember chat if you have anything you want to submit for the q&a It's super chatted and we already have at least one question First we just have a thank you coming in from rock and roll saying thank you guys for constantly discussing everything nintendo Going through some stuff right now and you guys and nintendo games get me through day by day Glad Yeah, man. Good luck with what you're going through. I'm glad that where you can be a healthy distraction for you Uh next up we have boom any coming in who says what is one hobby or interest that each of you have outside of video games? I love cooking This is straight up. Absolutely love it Haven't had time this past couple weeks, but like I do adore finding a good recipe and then being like let's experiment with this Let's make it a little bit Chef rogers over there to cook me something, but I did a video a couple years ago I did a show Everything was shakes for the next week. It's it's the whole thing right now I know that rice This is video game adjacent But I I do really enjoy like card games and card games and board games And I know those are all they're kind of in that umbrella of nerd.  Um, I also say women Oh, I love. Yeah, I mean that's that's That's That's a given That's that that's just like a natural part of life. Well, I said Interest so I'm just saying it might fair um Beyond that, uh, you know, I like sports.  But yeah, let's let's go on Let's go on an adventure. I I'm so down Nice This may shock you guys, but I'm into basketball No way Watch or just play very shocking expose. I know no, I I do for a long time go Uh, mj and then after that current player stef curry Have you seen the canceling the nine? Have you seen the current canceling the 90s?  I don't know I don't have any dog in this fight I'm just telling you that's what prime Jordan would feast in this league like a joke Let no, let me tell you so So I like I put On netflix, there's a there's like a michael jordan documentary and I put it on in the background So I've like heard several times and like the nut the thing that's nuts to me about That whole team and run is that he went and won three straight titles He took a break for two years because he decided to be done And then the first full season that he came back after that. He proceeded to win three straight more championship So he won six in a row choking the playoffs the year before that though Yeah, he did but he he came in in like march. So i'm willing to give him. It's not Is bill russell won I hear you. I don't know. I don't know more than jordan won in his entire career I was looking for my giant bulls There was also like what like 18s back then so, you know, so it should have been easy for any of them to win any given year I know nothing One of those teams and he couldn't beat him I'm not saying that he's not special. I'm just saying that what about scottie pippin more players now He wouldn't be mj without scottie pippin, obviously. This is really Everyone acknowledges that this has gotten really productive.  It's not there. I need I need to like learn sports just so I have We don't be good again. Oh the bulls. I just i'm a 90s kid who grew up in chicago. So like having gone to games Which michael jordan played it's like I want that back And we had that very briefly with derrick rose like around 2011 2012 and then do you want them to trade zack levine? I'm back and forth on it. Honestly at this point. I feel like levine needs I love demar right and I feel like they could build around demar But I feel like levine is too much of a draw and too much of a pull where I feel like They kind of want to hold on to both of them But I also feel like you trade levine. You get some new blood in there. You build up demar You got a stew going. Yeah. Yeah, but all of the bars kind of old though, right? Like I how they were talking He's good. He's definitely good. I gotta say roger I'm kind of in a weird situation with you being in chicago because i'm in utah So you obviously beat us twice But i'm like i'm like so LA now though. I live in LA now. So well, let me tell you i'm a post fan I'm like so glad that I was too young to like Be invested in that frame because people are still salty about it today Like there's stories all the time of like where the jazz play their wi-fi is named jordan pushed off or like They had this utah jazz like jordan brand t-shirt at the jazz store earlier this year And they like literally pulled it off the shelves because people were so upset It's like ridiculous and i'm just like i'm really glad i'm not a part of that because i See I was i was in a situation where I wasn't also I was also not old enough to be like invested in that way But I was young enough to remember the good times, right? I was young enough to be like Oh, i'm growing up in the jordan era But I also have like no real stake in any of the rivalries. I'm like, yeah Like I can just enjo