Live from Las Vegas, Nevada, it's the Cube covering EMC World 2015 brought to you by EMC Brocade and VCE I'm Stu Manaman, my co-host for this segment is Steve Chambers. We're both with Wikibon analyst firm You can find all of our research on Wikibon.org I'm going to dig into the cloud for this segment. I'm really excited to have Rama Duohara, who is CTO and the interim CIO of the University of North Texas Rama, your first time at EMC World and first time on the Cube. So thank you for joining us. Thank you for having me All right, so you know first of all you'll be a Cube alum. Well, you know once we finish this Okay, for those that aren't familiar in the University of North Texas You got a couple of campuses there. Tell us a little bit about the organization in your role here. Sure I'm with the University of North Texas system. The system oversees three campuses We have a campus in Fort Worth that deals with the Health Science Center Then we have we have our flagship campus on the indenting and then we have a Dallas campus Which also has a College of Law as part of it overall We have over 41,000 students currently enrolled and we expect to grow that to 45,000 in the near future Excellent. I actually have some relatives that live in Denton. So I'm familiar with the area Definitely gets out there for a good part of the year So we're going to talk about cloud. Can we first you know, I you know not to get Definitional or you know arguing over semantics, but you know, what does it mean to have a hybrid cloud? What does that mean to you? Sure So cloud means a lot of things to a lot of people and what it means to us is it enables us to be a service broker and Deliver infrastructure as a service Our goal is to be an IT shared service organization and that's how we started out and On-premise we figured we could control the quality the performance and the delivery of our services and We can have one place for you to come in and request a service where we can provision this and have Automation and orchestration as part of it. That's what it means to be In a hybrid cloud for us. Tell me something about the consumer of that cloud to describe me some kind of use cases or what people You know, who who's renting the stuff off you? You know, who's right? So we have decentralized IT on campus So College of Engineering College of Arts and Science College of Business all these different types of colleges and the three campuses will be the Consumers of our cloud. Now. Can we extend it out further? Absolutely, but we're starting with that as the goal Can you talk to us because hybrid is fanning both the on-prem and Public type pieces, you know, what are you using today? Is it is it the EMC? You know enterprise hybrid cloud or Federation enterprise hybrid cloud. They call it today. That's correct So today what we have in production in fact part off the press as last week. It's in production So we have the Federation enterprise hybrid cloud The next phase of it is to we have already evaluated multiple hybrid clouds like Azure AWS Google has an offering Rackspace and we're partnering probably with Microsoft on the Azure cloud and Our primary goal is to do our test and development out there and then move it back into our on-premise for our Production environment so so Rama if you just went into production. Can you walk us through? You know, what was that like?  So it's a pretty intense process initially You start off with a planning phase which consumes most of your time and then we chose V block is the infrastructure behind it and we see emc's part of that Federation and We it took us about 45 days to get that delivered Then we get into the on-premise migration from our current state into the future state That takes approximately about 12 weeks and there's a lot of planning that goes into it What's included in that enterprise applications? Well, what does an enterprise application mean? It serves more than one campus. We also have campus it that caters to unique needs on campus currently and That's what's going on at this point as part of that We'll also have a portal where you can come in and self-service what you want We have we set up the portal with the metals in mind. So we have four flavors bronze silver platinum gold Yeah, and then we have a custom configuration that you can request that goes through a workflow process And it's that and do I am I getting a VM there or am I getting an actual application or I think that's where it Starts to get fuzzy on the edges of hybrid cloud, isn't it? That's a great question. So what this hybrid cloud covers is infrastructure as a service So you get a VM you get storage you get all the computing and networking behind it right all of that's orchestrated through this Hybrid cloud cool. The next phase is to get Platform as a service and then get software as a service. That's how you extend the automation and on our hybrid cloud The reason we wanted on-premise is to work on those types of things which require some customization What are you what are you doing around? Identity of users and things because that seems to be can be can be easier It can be gnarly for people and I don't know what the requirements are in education So in terms of the consumer that you're dealing with here the identity The identity is kind of screened and pre provisioned Okay, and you can request it as a guest But that will require a longer process and on the back end We have single sign-on to integrate all that through active directly So active directory single sign-on so I'm not logging in every single time with my Okay, that's really good. And so you're talking about as you're so you have you connected these are you going to connect them? How's how's that going to how's that going to work? Are you going to connect networks? Stretch networks and things like that. So we're going into a high availability environment and to do that We use in these vplex metro solution and that's how we're stretching our current Enterprise data center and a secondary one the services to that right and that's the technology we use both always on always on if it goes down instantly up and The great thing is we have the entire stack of the storage tier Starting from extreme IO to V max to V max to I salon and all of that is Obstructed through the automation tool called Viper Yeah, so so Rama walk us through a little bit about that how you made the decision to kind of go with the EMC's cloud That you know, they're relatively new sure in this space there where you need to see customer to begin with or you know How walk us through some of that? Yeah, we were not an EMC customer to begin with so what we did is we looked at converged infrastructure and Did the evaluation on that and found out the VCEV block was the only truly converged Infrastructure the rest of them had reference models. Okay. Do you share who else you were looking at her? Yeah? We we looked at net apps Hitachi and a few others IBM HP What I would call the top six we kind of looked at all of them and Dell was one of them and they're they're all they all offer a good services But in terms of truly converged infrastructure where you can make one phone call and get your services we found V block to be the leader Cool, I think which is also validated by Gartner and the others so it's just not my observation Could you tell me a little bit about the structure of your staff because it yesterday? We had a really interesting day on emc code and talking about DevOps and the changing, you know It's not just about developers or operations. It's working together and we've heard from some customers today They're already doing that but they're not calling it DevOps, you know people get in along and they are working, you know You've hybrid cloud necessarily has lots of different technologies in it and you got to run it and you're talking about moving to an always-on That which for you sounds fantastic. How is your team structured to you know? Architects deploy it do the planning operate so the enterprise Architecture of this is one of our weaknesses that we hope to solve by going to the hybrid cloud solution So we're able to get pre-tested Converged infrastructure where we don't have to go in and do that in terms of us Staff where before the converged infrastructure, we were in silos as a VM team as a storage team backup team and a server team Yeah, going forward. That's one converged team And then you're talking about the application side of it where before they had to request a service and wait on infrastructure They would directly go in and get things provisioned to work on their infrastructure They don't need to wait on the infrastructure team. I think that's the biggest change The next change you're going to see is we're kind of breaking up it into two groups the demand and the supply group And the demand is always exceeding supply at this point So we're trying to balance that out and the application team falls on the demand side of it where most of their request comes from the business units and We're trying to offset those by shifting some of our resources currently on infrastructure into the application site or what I call project management side of it and We're brokering services externally also to meet those demands And would you say what you're and I like the direction that's going on? I really do and um, do you do you think that's typical amongst similar organizations like yourself or do you think you're kind of leading a charge here? I think we're pioneering this it is not it is typical that some organizations have ventured into shared services Yeah, that model has matured, but in the higher education vertical or public sector. It's in its infancy We have a long way to go there in terms of catching up with the private sector Yeah, so we're working hard on that currently so so Rama I'm curious from from the application standpoint What does moving to a hybrid cloud do to be able to allow you to serve the business, you know faster deploy applications faster? You know, how does it fundamentally change your business? So we have some key it initiatives For example data warehousing mobility a CRM project meeting our goals on retention advising enrollment for students At the end of the day, we're in the business of making students successful and to meet those objectives I think the hybrid cloud is able to give us the performance and the reliability We need from an infrastructure standpoint to meet the application needs from the application side What this enables us is to move very fast Before we couldn't do that and it's time to market And the other thing we're talking about is before we had a huge consumption gap We would over provision and under consume now We are able to bring that in line with the consumption needs of campus Thereby what I call removing waste and reallocating that to some of the application and business needs There's some interesting benefits there. It must be the hardest thing about it I mean as have you questioned your sanity while you've been doing this or yeah I think the people side and the transition Into how we do business has been a very hard part as the technology always worked flawlessly and interconnected very easily I wouldn't say it has worked flawlessly, but what has happened is every time there have been bumps on the road We've been able to resolve that Either with the EMC Tiger team people who have been part of the project it takes a Village to put this together. Yeah, I mean there are a number of different partners who are at the team and as part of the project And you have to have great project management. I think that's one of the challenges and as long as you have great project managers I think you can accomplish. So Rama having just put this in production. I'm wondering now that you have hindsight Consider, you know, what advice would you give your peers to say? Hey, I could have done this a little bit better I should have planned this a little bit better. You know, boy, I wish I had known this before I went into it yeah, so all this started off with our You know vision of how are we going to be a strategic partner to our business and how do you build a high-performance team? If you're constantly dealing with what I call the basics Then you're not able to get into the most strategic or innovative things you want to do so My advice to those who want to embark on this is you need great leadership That's that has to be at the table because many of these initiatives cannot be driven from what I call grassroot levels of bottom up It has to be top-down and bottom up at the same time You have to have a great vision and then you need to find some passionate people in your organization who can Bring their passion to execute and on top of that you got to have good values that you can Put out there that the people can emulate and go in the direction that you choose to go Those are the things I would say you need to bring to the table right off the back. So, so Rami So you're the interim CIO For the system there I was talking to Vic Bagat who's the CIO of EMC this morning and he said you know big challenges It used to be you know hand us 10 million dollars in 24 months and we can build it the Taj Mahal And we were IT is really good at doing that now. It's faster repetitive, you know, it's different You know, how do you prepare your organization for this kind of you know new world as we say it's always changing faster And there's always something new to learn. Yeah, the old adage used to be give me faster cheaper and better But choose any two and our philosophy on that is we need to do it faster better and cheaper But we also need to do it friendlier because there's a lot of consensus building you have to do to to accomplish this So if you embark on a journey, that's how you have to look at it The time to provision is no longer many years or many months. That's it's down to how soon can you do it? I'm talking 12 to 25 weeks here. Yeah, and It's interesting that the you know faster better cheaper right here if you listen the devox community or pivotal specifically is The guy that runs cloud boundaries James Waters friend of the queue we've had him on a number of times He said today it's faster faster faster Yeah, if you can go faster faster faster it can take care of everything. Do you believe that or you know?  It is I Think it's not that simplistic. That's the you know, that's how I view it Pivotals got great upside and in fact, I think a lot of what you're dealing with in terms of doing analysis of unstructured data They can play a great role But there has to be a foundation to get there and I think the hybrid cloud kind of lays that gives you that platform So this is not your termination point. It's not the end of what you're doing So we have a framework where there is Converged infrastructure. There's virtualization automation. These are the service desk. Yeah IT service management and then the financial side of this where we need to show transparency So we use v realized suite to achieve that It which is part of the Federation and on top of that we have to govern it with proper security and Governance structure and that that's also very challenging. Yeah, even though you say hey We need to get there. So this is the first phase of it Oh, so I'm a Rama you know management and orchestration layer is the next battle for the whole industry I mean it needs to be simple. It needs to be able to I know you've just deployed it But how's it going so far? How does this from an operational model? You know work for you for your environment. Yeah, so it's going well I think our challenge is we didn't have a team that was ready for automation and orchestration Yeah, so the people side of it We had to address it with training and proper change management to get those things going but Do you think from your experience you only find these things out? When you do it because obviously you've done a lot of planning and thinking but yeah, you know We heard stories yesterday from EMC themselves We've got a huge amount of IT and they said right we're going to treat infrastructure as code It's the right thing to do and they learned so many lessons which they shared yesterday I mean, I think that's one that you've been through as well Yeah, that's that's a great question and you know your spot on when you say you can plan all you want Yeah, but when you're on the pioneering or leading edge of this You're going to run into issues that you're unable to discuss it with others because they haven't done it, right? So what do you do? You have to have a team that can adapt fast, right? And that's a key thing. That's why I say build your team with some diverse life experiences There's only so much training you can do and then with that diversity you overcome some of the challenges that you face as a team Well, that's an interesting point of view.  Could someone turn around say to you look this is crazy. It's costing us money Let's just go back to the old way. Can you ever imagine that happening? I don't see that happening because We spend a lot of time planning and if you look at the TCO We did a lot of analysis using activity based costing studies Yeah, where we studied the enterprise cloud outside and the offerings Yeah, and we're anywhere from 30 to 60 percent cheaper unless you're moving workloads in daily in and out in production Which we don't do Then it makes sense to have an on-premise hybrid cloud solution So that's why I don't see us turning back at this point So we hope to build on this because as I told you there there are many more steps to take here to be a truly mature organization what would you say to Maybe a similar organized organization self that's not doing hybrid cloud You know if I was a peer of yours, you know, and I said I'm not I'm not doing a hybrid cloud You know what would you think I was crazy or you know, maybe just with their big good reasons for me not to be doing it I think I would ask you to keep an open mind on that because there could be things that You could do that are more efficient without a full analysis. It's hard to say but You're pretty safe in Betting that you're going to have some efficiencies Simply because of the maintenance time and all the back-end integration you're going to have to do Is it no longer there is almost a no-brainer to do it. It's almost a no-brainer All right, I think that's a perfect line to end it on Rama. I really appreciate you digging in to the hybrid cloud solution from We'll be right back with lots more customers Luminaries and more here from EMC world. This is the Cube Silicon angle TVs live coverage. I'm Stu Miniman with Steve Chambers Thanks for watching. We'll be back with our next guest right after this quick break


Diesel's enjoying his morning. He's so cute He lays right there in the gravel because it's cooled out and you can see he's looking to the right. He's watching the road So I'm excited that our yard doesn't have snow anymore. So that's a huge win So here's my breakfast for this morning So what I did is I went ahead and toasted up one of these Western bagel perfect ten Plus this is in the everything these bagels are so good They are loaded with all the good everything seasonings and Western bagels are amazing If you guys have not ordered these yet head on over to Western bagel check them out bagels are still in your eating plan My friends, this is a full-size bagel and it is three smart points Western bagel has bagelettes for one point Most of their full-size bagels are three points. They do have a perfect 10 plus healthy grain So not the everything but the healthy grain it is two smart points So this entire full-size bagel you guys is three smart points So I love Western bagel make sure that you're ordering the alternative bagels They do have some build your own boxes and they give you free shipping with $25 So how do you recommend having these you'll see me eat these a lot when you get them Just toss them in your freezer and they last months and months and months. So I have one of the Western bagel Everything bagel toasted. I do have 10% off for Western bagel Put that here on the screen and the link is down in the description box So I went ahead and added two smart points worth of avocado And then what I have here is one full egg and some egg whites and one slice of the Sargento Ultra-thin Colby Jack cheese for one smart point and then a banana is going to be my fruit with breakfast So my bagel is three points my avocado is two smart points. So that's five My cheese is one making six and then one egg is two smart points.  So I want to show you guys my bath and body works haul I went to get some more wallflower refills and of course per the usual bath and body works found a few other things So let me show you what I picked up. So first I Love this. This is from white barn This is a three-wick holder. You guys know, I love their three-wick candles.  So I went ahead and picked it up It was 1450 and then also I grabbed a new soap holder because the one that I have is actually here I'll show you so the one that I have is actually the one that holds the kind of bead soap Which is fine, but I wanted the one that actually holds the pump foam soap because I like that better This was 1250 and I love this like kind of gray marble and then this kind of like Branchy design and you can see my countertop. So it's gonna match really well with that And then they had some of their candles half off from Christmas. This is twisted peppermint. I'm obsessed with this one This one it smells so good. It's peppermint sugared snow vanilla butter cream fresh balsam Which is like my favorite scent and a hint of musk with essential oils I just really like this smell and it was 12 25 so it was half off and then I had a coupon for a free wallflower plug or refill So I went ahead and grabbed this wallflower plug. It's kind of a taupe color I'm not sure where I'm gonna put it, but it is free and then for the refills I went ahead and got an array here. I did get into the night. This one smells really good It doesn't even say what the notes are on here. I don't think unfortunately. Oh, yeah, there we go So it's sugared raspberry Velvet rose petals and shimmering amber. It smells really good And then I grabbed cucumber Lily and that one is probably a little more self-explanatory But it is a mimosa blossom cucumber water and Lily of the Valley And I went ahead and picked up a thousand wishes. This one smells really good so this one is sparkling champagne crystal peonies and almond cream and then I have the white sand beaches I'm getting you guys. I'm ready for spring and summer. So Tis the season I grabbed deep blue waters Coke coastal tied flowers and sea salted lavender. So that one and then also I have champagne toast This smells really really delicious. So this is bubbly champagne sparkling Something I can't read it and juicy tangerine and then lastly I have the island of papaya Oh my gosh, this one is yum E so this is a tropical coconut fresh papaya and sugar cane So I grabbed six refills and then I went ahead and grabbed some soaps and don't judge me But when I buy soaps I buy them to aesthetically match my kitchen So I either want a white gray or black top. I know but the flavors that I picked up are vanilla coconuts Honolulu Sun white tea and sage sunshine and lemons that smells amazing in the kitchen Coconut vanilla and sun washed citrus all match nicely with my kitchen And then I had a coupon for a six dollar body cream. So I got this day dream This is apparently their brand new line or one of their brand new sense is this day dream And it says the key notes of this one are fresh raspberry sparkling pear and pink lily petals It smells really good. And then I also had a 20% off coupon. So all of this was just over 80 dollars Not bad bath and body works It's morning snack time and as always I'm gonna be having a bill bar. This is the coconut almond I love this one.  So love this one though. It's delicious. It's three smart points Built bar is amazing. They also have built boost, which is what I use as a pre-workout If you are new to built bar head on over to their website use my code here on the screen You'll get 10% off and free shipping But they have dozens of different flavors of built bar if you would like my personal suggestions Leave that in the comments and I'll let you know what my favorites are But hands down this coconut almond is definitely one of those and for three smart points You guys this tastes like a candy bar. It is nowhere near a protein bar. It is a candy bar So I have it every morning for between breakfast and lunch because it keeps me nice and full So it's kind of my morning snack. So I'm going to be having that for three smart points Check it out use my link down below or my code here on the screen for the 10% off and free shipping And then I'm having some water. I've been loving my pioneer woman bottle here or water jug I uh been putting some of those Meyer lemons in there with some water and I've been drinking Five to ten of these a day you guys. I am getting in a ton of water So this is just going to be my morning snack some water for zero and my coconut almond built bar for three We can see grass. Guess what that's where diesel was laying. That is hilarious So the grass is completely frozen and frosted over But where his warm belly was you can see his imprints cracks me up. Hi princess Do you like mommy and daddy's new bed? Yeah, we got a new bed and you love it, huh? Yeah, are you cozy baby? I love you So here's my lunch for today. I'm excited. I'm hungry. It's a little afternoon So I went ahead and made myself a wrap and so I have one of the tomato basil olay wraps And I put one tablespoon of light mayonnaise one smart point worth of avocado I have some of that cherry wood smoked ham that I picked up at fred Meyer And then some spinach and rolled it all up and made a delicious wrap So it is one smart point for the olay wrap one for the mayo One for the avocado and two for the ham So this is a five smart point wrap and then I'm going to have it with one of these quaker rice cakes and butter milk ranch These are really good. I got these at costco and this is three smart points And then I'm excited for dessert. I'm going to have a honeycrisp apple Because I love honeycrisp apples. They're sweet kind of cures my sweet tooth and my fruit So this is going to be my lunch and it is a total of seven smart points I'm going to go ahead and have a cup of coffee in my valentine's day mug I'm in the spirit for valentine's day. So I have some of the bones coffee in o fudge There is a link in my description box for bones It is not an affiliate link, but it will get you five dollars off if you're interested in trying their coffee This is a fudgy chocolate. It's really delicious And then I just put in one tablespoon of fat free half and half for zero points And I've got my water back there. This is my second one And I just pulled up my laptop so that I can get editing a video So I'm going to edit a little bit enjoy my cup of coffee and get back to my day So I'm going to have two of my jam bars that I made in my meal prep that was posted this last monday If you haven't seen it definitely check it out. These are absolutely delicious. They're two points apiece So I'm going to go ahead and have two of them for a four smart point snack for tonight's easy slow cooker or crock pot recipe We're going to be making chicken and dumplings I am so excited about this and how fun that it can just be thrown in a crock pot You come home from a busy day of worker school or home from the gym at night and your dinner is ready to go It is w w friendly and delicious. So I am excited about this So let me show you what is in our recipe and then we'll get it going in our crock pot First you're going to need some non-fat milk or milk alternative. You can use almond milk I just use this kroger card master milk It's the same points as almond milk and it's literally just milk instead of the almond base So I'm going to be using that minced garlic the recipe calls for whole wheat flour. So I'm just going to use whole grain oat flour It's what I have on hand Also, the recipe calls for frozen peas and frozen carrots So I just bought a blend to save myself some money and the peas and carrots are all rolled into one package So this is a little dupe for this recipe just by the peas and carrots blend already And then lots of seasonings. We have garlic powder onion powder Basil and thyme the recipe also calls for sage, but I don't have any so I'm going to be omitting that You'll also need some baking powder. I can't believe it's not butter light And the recipe calls for six cups of chicken broth. I'm just going to make mine with the better than bullion This is what I have on hand So I didn't want to buy chicken broth when I have this already in my refrigerator So I'm going to make my own and then you'll need an onion some stalks of celery And some chicken breasts. So let's get started on tonight's crock pot dinner So the first thing we need to do is chop our onion and our celery I'm just going to throw both of them here in a bowl because they are added to our recipe at the same time So let's get everything chopped up and ready to go Put it on our chicken and dumpling so in my crock pot here I actually have five chicken breasts. These are super thin cut and small So I made sure that I had basically the equivalent of about two big boneless skinless chicken breasts And then to that we're going to go ahead and add in six cups of chicken broth And again, I just made mine with better than bullion Since again, that's what I had on hand It made logical sense to just make my own chicken broth So that was four cups and then here is two additional cups Oh, we got some little leftover on the bottom. There we go two additional cups of the better than bullion To that we're going to go ahead and add in our peas and our carrots And we want about a half of a cup of each so I'm going to do about a cup of the pea and carrot mixture And then these leftovers you guys I just warm these up as a side dish with dinner That way we're not wasting any of it either And then we're going to go ahead and add in the chopped up onion and celery that we chopped up We want about three cloves of garlic So this is pretty close to three cloves And then I just like to kind of give that garlic a mix just because it comes out in a big clump Out of the jar. Oh my gosh, this looks really good. All right So we've added in that garlic and then last are our seasonings So the first one that I'm going to go ahead and add in is my time And you guys know, I just kind of wing the amount that I'm putting in here I'm going to do about two teaspoons of thyme And I just use my hand. It's easy to figure out about a teaspoon worth We're also going to be adding in some of our basil leaves And again, I'm going to do about two teaspoons of that as well And then again, I omitted the sage But we're going to add in some onion powder And I want about a half of a teaspoon of onion powder And then half of a teaspoon of garlic powder So we're going to add that in and then again, we're going to give this another stir You don't need to add any salt because your chicken broth or better than bouillon Is going to be all the salt that you need in this recipe So we're going to make sure those seasonings are nice and mixed together And our chicken breasts are under the chicken broth under all of the liquid And then we're actually going to put this onto low for six hours Once that time has passed, we'll come back and make the dumpling portion of our dinner So we're ready to put together the dumplings and I realized that we should have added The garlic powder and onion powder actually to the dumplings So you can go ahead and do that if you'd like, I added it to the actual soup itself So I'm not going to add any additional garlic and onion powder to the dumplings themselves But just be aware that you would want to add them to the dumplings, not the soup So what we're going to do is add one cup of our oat flour to a bowl And then we're also going to add one teaspoon of baking Powder and we're going to add three tablespoons of the I can't believe it's not butter Light and then we're basically going to mix this together Until the butter cuts through the flour and the baking soda And it basically makes a kind of chunky dough And this is what we're going to use to form the dumplings We're going to add a little bit of milk and we'll have a perfect dough Once you've cut the butter in we're going to go ahead and add in some skim milk And we want to add just enough to make this into dough that we can form the dumpling balls So I'm not measuring my milk because I'm not going to add any more than needed to create a dough And I don't want to over add in my milk. The recipe calls for about a third of a cup But I would recommend that you just add it like I did to your Dry ingredients until you have a dough. So this is about perfect consistency for the dumplings We're ready to pop the lid off of our crock pot here And we're going to actually pull out our chicken and shred it up. So this is what our soup is looking like Oh, you guys are going to get steamy. Sorry. There you go. So it looks absolutely delicious. Everything looks done really well So I have some tongs here and I'm just going to go ahead and reach in And pull out my breasts of chicken and I'm just going to put them here on a plate And I'm going to grab a couple of forks. Oh, look, it's just breaking apart Grab a couple of forks and shred up the breasts of chicken here And then we'll be returning it to the soup so that we can add in our dumplings But my chicken literally you guys is falling apart. How amazing is that? So pull out all your chicken and we're going to get it shredded up Once your chicken is completely shredded We're going to go ahead and return that to the slow cooker in with the soup And all of the delicious veggies and then we'll be ready to just drop in our dumplings Once you've re-added in your chicken, we're going to go ahead and drop in our dumplings So we want them at least the size of a tablespoon. You do not want to make them too small or they will just Melt right into the broth of the soup and we do not want that We actually want them to be Dumplings when it's all done. So we're going to go ahead and drop in our batter to make some dumplings Once you've added back in your dumplings, we're going to go ahead and put the lid back on our crock pot And we're going to let this cook for an additional 20 or 30 minutes or until our dumplings are cooked all the way through All right, so the chicken and dumplings are done. It was about 20 minutes The dumplings are nice and firm. So that's how you kind of know that they're cooked through So this entire crock pot you guys make six servings So i'm going to go ahead and dish up a serving. It's approximately a cup and a half And i'll be back to show you my dinner and give you the smart points So here is my dinner for tonight. You guys this smells amazing So this is one and a half cups of the chicken and dumplings It made two dumplings per serving So I do have a couple of dumplings on top here and I just taught mine with a little bit of parsley So here are the smart points breakdown for the chicken and dumplings one serving or one sixth of the batch is three smart points On both the blue and purple plan and five on the green plan So you can have chicken and dumplings for three or five smart points Here's what i'm going to be having for dessert tonight I'm going to be having one of the simple truth light ice cream bars. This is the peanut butter chocolate chip These are so good. I'll show you guys what they look like They are only three smart points per ice cream bar and they are absolutely Delicious. So this is going to be my dessert for tonight Say thanks for watching our what I eat in a day Thanks everybody make sure you're subscribed and you hit the bell So you're notified whenever we upload a new video Thank you again for watching and we'll see you in our next one. Bye


From VOA Learning English, this is the health report in special English. Babies born with serious medical conditions often spend their first few days in the intensive care unit of a hospital so they can be cared for. While they are there, medical workers put tape on the babies to hold down tubes and electronic devices. Experts say having to change the tape daily or remove it can be painful and even dangerous. Removing the tape from a baby's sensitive skin can cause injuries, in some cases even causing the skin to tear. The Massachusetts Institute of Technology says more than one million people suffer skin injuries from medical tape removal each year. But now there is a new kind of medical tape that may end this problem. The new tape is much softer and safer. Dr. Jeff Karp helped create the new tape. He works for the Center for Regenerative Therapeutics at Brigham and Women's Hospital in Boston, Massachusetts. He says newborns moved to the intensive care unit are usually very sick. He says medical tape is very important to secure devices to the baby's skin for monitoring. Dr. Karp says this is one of the biggest problems facing hospitals. So he and his team wanted to create a medical tape that could be removed without harming the skin. Medical tape has two layers, a non-sticky backing and the sticky part. Dr. Karp's new tape adds another layer of sticky adhesive. It remains on the skin after the tape is removed. Dr. Karp says this adhesive can be easily removed with talcum powder. The new, softer adhesive tape was designed for newborns. But the researchers say it will also help much older patients whose thin, weak skin can tear. For VOA Learning English, I'm Carolyn Presuti.


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