benefit has not been shown without a shadow of a doubt so I'm sorry but this one for me is a no no thank you all right thank you very much chairman chairman yeah we have a request to speak I believe from Chris Carter all right Mr Carter you want to come back in or is that the previous one yeah that was the previous one chair thank you sorry I apologize in which case the next request to speak is from councillor Martin Kahn right councillor Kahn if you'd like to speak please yeah it's a difficult application I like councillor Roberts don't have any problem with the design get past each but I think it does it is probably better than that location near to the older buildings on the street that it is something which has an older feel about it and having a hand is more tighter which a terrace house is is I don't think at all that a detached house on the front is actually what you need there to to build that chain so I'm not worried about the design the moving of the access I think will improve visibility because it's moving further away from the bend the question is whether is the whole of this question about e14 an employment um now this is a joinery workshop the existing use the owner has said he wants to close we have no say over that that that will happen it will stop being a joinery workshop so the question is can he market it as it is now we recently not that long ago had an application for another abandoned joinery workshop in Wittlesford which um had been marketed and they found nothing nobody wanted to take it so the building as it is is unlikely to be wanted so you're looking at some alternative employment use my concern about an alternative employment use is that although for an employment of four which being a joinery workshop probably also had quite large vehicles going into it um but probably nothing enormous amount if you have a new use which has lots of small small small sites you're going to have quite a large number of people arriving there and that might be much more significant so I do see the traffic issue as quite relevant in terms of employment um for the like type of employment that you could envisage on that site you certainly couldn't envisage commercial traffic going into it and so I do see a road actually I think there is a road safety improvement a genuine road safety improvement by converting to a small number of houses um and particularly not houses with five or six car large houses five six cars for small houses which it's a car apologies to interrupt but the live stream has uh I believe it stopped as the my connection to the remote desktop has just dropped so if you wouldn't mind just holding on to that thought for just a second while I just reconnect to the to the server a genuine apologies sorry thank you all right thank you Lynn I can't I'll come back to you but I need to explain what's happened to the public okay yeah so I've just I've just confirmed so uh basically the the connection between my computer and the remote desktop dropped but the connection between the remote desktop yourselves and the public did not drop so I can confirm that there was in fact no disruption uh of the service apart from my computer not connecting so yeah sorry please do continue there's nothing no interruption yeah there was I can confirm definitely that there was no interruption thanks very much okay so for men benefit the members of the public we had a a false alarm there where we we thought there may be a technical issue but fortunately you haven't missed any of councillor carms wisdoms so yeah so generally well I'm very much in favour of maintaining employment in the village um and village locations and make improvement sustainability I'm really not sure that this is the best location because I feel the type of employment that you might be able to put there and we if we if we insisted upon it is actually probably going to cause an increase in traffic and cause a a nuisance and what would be what I would consider improved visuals because of the rather ugly buildings at present the better location of the access and what I feel would be a reduced problem to traffic on any likely alternative employment I think I'm generally thinking in favour of supporting this application okay thank you very much uh now it has gone one o'clock we were going to take lunch but I think there's only two more um speakers uh vice chair as far as I could see that's right chairman there's councillor Peter feign yep and yourself is it and myself okay so I'd like to bring this to a conclusion then we'll take the lunch so councillor feign please thank you chair um I don't need to say very much in fact because I agree with the comments that have just been made by councillor kahn um so it comes down to the application of policy e14 and we've heard that it hasn't been test marketed but that is only one of the three criteria the question it seems to me is clearly whether criteria b is satisfied that is that of overall benefits to the community and officers deal with that quite clearly at paragraph 38 um and they say that is considered benefits to the community would outweigh any adverse impact through loss of employment and they in doing that they take full account of the village design guide so on that basis I will be voting to approve all right thank you very much councillor feign and finally then councillor breadman thank you chairman um my observation is in the local plan at paragraph 8.54 which gives clarification to the policy e14 it points out that employment sites at villages are a scarce resource which should be retained and making best use of existing employment sites reduces the pressure for development of new sites including new sites in the countryside and it also provides a greater range of employment opportunities and reduces the need to travel um and I'm I'm concerned that there's a balance isn't there between the current use of the employment site which is as people have pointed out relatively modest with just four employees and indeed the current employees wishing to stop so they may be winding down the level of business that they've been engaging in versus um the likely increase in um well the the likely increase in number of traffic movements if there were indeed 10 cars on site four parking spaces one in front of the other so eight parking spaces behind the four terrace properties and two further parking spaces behind the larger property at number five um and so there's a balance here isn't there because if this was marketed commercially as a site and a number of applicants applied or one per one developer applied um and and sought to break it up into smaller units and it's possible there could be more car movements than that I think my concern though is that people if it's if it's allowed to be developed as a housing development it is really quite likely that people will want to park in front of the houses this is what people do and and so I'm I'm still somewhat concerned by um this proposal because I don't think it's clear which future use is likely to cause poor traffic movements unfortunately um so I'm in I'm still in a quandary as usual thank you chairman okay thank you very much for that okay we're bringing this to a conclusion then could I just consult you Mr Carter we've already looked at e14 um and clearly there are members who would like to see this pursued in terms of advertising there's also questions about sustainable communities maintaining employment um yes chair with your indulgence I have got a couple of reasons drafted again which I could share um I have um one reason related to the loss of employment and the other is is a character of the village and conservation impact um but it would be helpful to know if members felt that was a reason for refuse law or just the employment uh employment reason so um I'll scroll down in just a moment so you can see all of the second reason right and if I just scroll down there he is have you got all all that on the screen there so it'd be helpful if we could just have some confirmation that that second reason is also one that members uh some members would cite or or if it's just the first okay I agree with both reasons can I'm sorry chair can we just scroll it down again so we can see the first reason please thank you chairman you all had a chance to yeah just chairman it just it just concerns me because it it's seeming to indicate what isn't actually correct it's seeming to indicate that um we that there is only one reason that um that they have to um comply with and clearly and there are three reasons and the offices are stated that it isn't it isn't compliant with um one of those but it indeed so you know you wouldn't support it then presumably so this this is just so that we're very clear that if you if people wish to vote for the views or there is a clear chairman yes um I think it's not unreasonable if I may through you it's not unreasonable that perhaps that first reason could reflect the fact that e14 gives three reasons why why employment use might um the justifications that might be given to cease employment use whereas this only refers to one and I do think that perhaps this is the one that people were concerned about but clearly we speaking let's let's take advice them chair through you um I think the reason does do that so that there are three criteria in the first part of the policy one with regard to evidence of market demand the second around community benefits outweighing the loss and third with regard to environmental problems and and the reason says the application does not provide sufficient evidence to adequately demonstrate demonstrate that the site is inappropriate for employment use having regard to market demand that's the first one the development would provide benefits to the community that's the second one and the third one with regard to environmental problems uh you can see there it says all that environmental problems in terms of pollution or traffic are being caused etc so I think that all three elements of policy e14 part one are covered there thank you that satisfies my concerns I couldn't read quickly enough thank you okay uh and I think uh council Dr Hawkins would like to comment all right and Herman we've we've thank you chair thank you chair I think my point is on e14 2 and I think the last paragraph or the last sentence in paragraph one um refers to that is that right Mr Carter yes that is correct the last line says the application also does not justify the lack of an employment provision as part of the proposal yep that was it thank you Mr Reacher do you want to come in Mr Reacher chair um uh Tony Collins has asked to comment on the second reason and Mr Collins is who somebody explain who Mr Collins is chair uh Mr Collins is conservation officer all right good okay Mr Collins welcome thank you chair I just wanted to point out that um I was asked for conservation advice on this application my advice was that it did not cause harm to the conservation area and um if I were asked I would um repeat that advice and um confirm the reasons for it so if this application was to be refused and that was to be given as one of the reasons I would not be able to defend the council's decision because I would be contradicting my own professional advice I just wanted to make that quite clear fine I don't think that's one of the issues that we're actually raising is it it is in the second reason that Mr Carter has um look forward okay thank you very much good point yes chair through through you if I may um Mr Collins is obviously right about his advice um it's for members to decide whether or not they agree with that or take a contrary view I did hear some concern in the debate around the impact of the proposal in terms of its design and appearance and the impact that would have on the conservation area in fullborn not being reflective of of that uh but if if if that's not the case obviously members will Vatican indeed okay I think we are a point that we can make a decision uh so members I'm going to make a roll call um just to be fair since uh for council breadman is always having to be first I'm going to reverse the list this time if that's okay thank you so I'm going to call there's no other reason than you know just for fairness obviously so could I um start the voting then so what you're voting for is the um recommended the officer recommendation is approved so if you want approval you're for it you want refusal you're against and if you wish to abstain you're abstain so councillor Wright can I have your vote please thank you chairman and you'll see from the letter in my I've never been first in my life for anything so uh thank you and I'm voting against against thank you uh councillor Richard Williams please against again thank you councillor Heather Williams against against uh councillor Roberts please for chairman councillor Milne's for councillor Hawkins against against thank you councillor Fane for councillor Dalton's not taking part uh councillor Kahn four oh thank you councillor Bradlam um thank you I'm going to vote four four okay thank you very much and my vote is four so the vote is one two three it's six four and five against approved by one vote okay thank you very much well everyone who's contributed to that um it's now 16 minutes past one and I suggest we take a lunch break now and come back at quarter to two so Liam if you would like to close down yeah I confirm we're now live thanks all right thank you very much and good afternoon everybody um welcome to South Cams district council planning committee um we're already making good progress I just want to check that all the members of the committee are back and in operational condition so if I could just run through a quick roll call is councillor Bradlam with us please present chair thank you councillor Kahn councillor Kahn are you with us not yet I'll return to councillor Kahn councillor Dalton yes present chairman thank you very much councillor Fane councillor Fane with us at the moment it seems come on councillor Dr Hawkins present chair thank you councillor Milnes present but I can't attest to my conditions thank you councillor Roberts yes chairman I'm here thank you councillor Heather Williams chairman all right councillor Richard Williams present chair all right councillor right raise the shot chairman yeah okay councillor Fane I see you are there with us doesn't chair yeah some is councillor Kahn with us is councillor Kahn on the line chairman shall I ring him chairman yeah I'll I'll just can I just remind councillor Kahn it would be a shame if he couldn't vote on this matter okay we can't take too long over it if you'll just give me a few moments chairman okay I'll keep calling him councillor Kahn are you with us his connection appears to be open where was the public I'm sorry for the delay here there may well be a short technical issue chairman yes I've been in touch with councillor Kahn he's having a slight IT problem he needs to go out and come back in again and asks if you would be so kind as to just pause while he comes back in okay we'll pause for a couple minutes thank you very much thank you so we're trying to do with the technical issue with one of the members of the committee we should commence again in a few moments hi there chair I've had a message it's Liam here I've had a message from Aaron saying that councillor Kahn's computer has frozen and he is trying to rejoin currently so yeah that's what the issue is with his side of things thanks all right okay thank you we've got councillor Kahn back yeah okay thank you very much okay councillor Kahn we get on now then okay thank you well have you frozen again no okay let's we're now on item seven agenda item seven on page 96 of the agenda papers this is reference 20 04710 HFUL and it's an eight craft way steeple morden but before we get into that can I just confirm that councillor Heather Williams um I believe you've got a quick decoration on this one I do chairman and I won't take part in the debate or the or the votes in any way right can I just clarify with you I believe councillor Wright is going to look after the local interest yes so councillor Wright is who I nominated to sort of take on the local member role in this case as I couldn't okay does that mean he wishes to speak as the local member at the public speaking element or prefers to reserve that for the debate I'm happy to reserve it for the debate yeah okay thank you very much okay we're so for the benefit of the members of the public then councillor Heather Williams has an interest in this and as we've drawn from the committee for this item so the proposal is for a two-story rear extension single-story front extension and an annex within the rear garden resubmission of a planning application S454119 FL the applicant is mr be me um the case officer will take us through the key material considerations there is something of a checkered history with this application so the application is brought to committee due to being called in by the parish council and due to the decision of the judicial review to quash the previous application which is currently undergoing a second year judicial review following another incorrect issue decision it is in the opinion of officers that the application should be determined at committee level the recommendation is approval the presenting officer is Aaron co senior planning officer before I go to Aaron for his presentation could I just um ask mr Carter um if he would confirm that all legal matters have been attended to and we are in a position to um determine this application please yes chair thank you yes officers have taken council advice that this application can be determined notwithstanding the fact that the second judicial review uh matter has yet to be uh determined by the courts um the advice we've received that there's no reason why this application can't be determined at this time thank you chair right thank you very much for that Aaron co senior planning officer would you give us your presentation please thank you chair good afternoon members just going to share my screen and can everyone confirm they can see that please yep that's fine brilliant so the site is number eight craft away in steeple morden and the proposal is for a two-story rear extension a single-story front extension and the addition of a single-story annex in the rear garden just before getting on to the um the finer details of the application I just want to go back over the history um as councillor bachelors rightly informed you all off so um in may last year a delegated approval was issued for the development with the wrong plan numbers listed on the decision notice so subsequently a judicial review took place and the decision was quashed by the high court in November 2020 um following the decision being quashed the same application reference needed to be reopened and put back into the planning system which would then be re-consulted on and redetermined again however in November last year another admin error took place and has resulted in another incorrect decision being issued for a second time on the same application so this is a result of mistakes of the planning department and in the spirit of good customer service and to prevent further delays officers invited a fresh planning application for the proposed development which is now being considered committed to today uh to prevent further delays for the applicants so moving on to the application the application site is number eight craft away which is a two-story detached residential property located to the east of hay street within the steeple morden village framework there are no tpo trees within the site the site itself is outside of the conservation area but the steeple morden conservation area lives on lies on the northern boundary of the site as you can see on the on the site location plan here this is the conservation conservation area adjacent and you've got um listed buildings number 40 38 and 42 however this this boundary here is um heavily vegetated and overgrown so these are the existing elevations um at the moment um moving on to the proposed proposed elevations uh planning permission is sought for the construction of a single-story front extension which would have a height of 2.7 meters a width of 8.1 meters and a depth of 2.11 meters so the extension uh the front extension would run along the front elevation only a height of 2.7 meters to the ridge of the single-story front extension and then at the rear a two-story rear extension is proposed to uh so that will remove the conservatory and fill in this space um on the western side of the site remaining three meters off the boundary and not going any further beyond the existing rear elevation on the eastern side the proposal also includes the addition of an annex within the rear garden the annex would be located in the southwest corner of the rear garden and would be set off the boundary by one meter and run along the western boundary for seven meters in total the annex would have a depth of three meters and a height of 2.8 meters to the ridge and the condition is recommended to ensure the annex remains in ancillary use to the host dwelling so to conclude the proposed development is considered to be an acceptable design which respects the character and appearance of the area and the amenity of neighboring properties and the development is considered to be in accordance with policy HQ 1 at the South Cambridgeshire District Council local plan 2018 the proposed development would not impact the adjacent conservation area or listed buildings in accordance with the South Cambridgeshire local plan policy NH 14 and the MPPF paragraph 193 and approval is recommended subject to conditions thank you chair all right thank you very much uh members any points of clarification you require vice chair do we have any we have no request for clarification chair all right thank you we do have some public speakers so I'll go to the public speakers now um can I ask Richard Williams please it's mr Williams with us I am with you but I can't get my my camera to turn on well it's like I'm going to hear you so I'm just going to speak to you if that's okay yeah just hang on a second because Aaron's taking up the entire picture at the moment chair turn your camera off thank you chairman yes just any interests of clarity can we clarify that this Richard Williams is different to Councillor Richard Williams do give me a chance I'm sorry I thank you thank you very much um mr Williams could you yeah there's a lot of Williams who's around not least on the actual committee here so could you just confirm that you're not a relative of any of the committee please we have the fifth most popular name in the UK because I'm not surprised I'm not related to anybody else on this committee and I am Richard Williams that is guest excellent thank you very much indeed so uh welcome to the committee um I think you probably know the procedure um this is all new to me I'm afraid but it's all very new to me right but um you're there is a three minute presentation period yeah then we'll see if members want to clarification so when you're ready you've got your three minutes thank you well I was going to say good morning everybody but I'm now going to say good afternoon everybody I am speaking you on behalf of your neighbours that's myself and Michael Reeson and Joyce Pacey who live at with the other direct neighbours what we have here is a huge redevelopment project which has been imposed on a quiet neighbourhood and elderly neighbours it's my job today to make sure you have the information and context you need to make an informed decision and that you are fully aware of the implications and ramifications of your decision let me start at the beginning of the original application but at the time the original application was submitted the applicant did not own a craft way and could have chosen the bioproperty which was much more suitable for their particular requirements rather than this one which will need a huge amount of work to make it suitable neither the applicant or their agents have ever spoken to the neighbours about their plans either before they moved in or since and have tried to simply use and indeed abuse a planning system to impose their plans upon us the proposal says this is a two-story rear extension single-story front extension and an annex in the rear garden which I think you'll agree is a great deal of work in its own right but it isn't the full extent of their plans as they also want to raise the roof line move or replace internal and external low bearing walls carry extensive internal remodelling remove roof trusses in the master bedroom to facilitate a voltage signaling and remove two chimney breasts and stacks this then becomes an immense amount of work to impose on this quiet neighbourhood and elderly neighbours or at home during the day particularly now during the pandemic when you would as you would imagine we're all house bound you won't know from the reports pack but the couple will live at number six halfwayer in their mid-seventies the lady of the house is frail and certain show signs of a mental health issue approving this plan when you post something like a year's worth of disruption mess noise and disturbance on this lady as well as the rest of us and it would be for five and a half days a week and that would be called an instrument I refuse to believe that anyone including the planning committee would ever allow it as for the application itself a number of policies are mentioned in the report pack but not policy H 12 which governs residential space standards it states new residential units will be permitted where their gross internal floor areas may exceed the government's technical housing standards nationally described space standard the minimum in this particular case is 37 square meters residential Alex is around 21 square meters that cannot be permitted on that basis alone the application has to be refused the report pack and the applicant's submission to about extension to the front of the properties in this group of five and tries to use this as some kind of precedence to allow the single story front front extension on this property but none of these properties have ever been extended beyond the original principal elevation in fact when the previous owner of two craft way tried to extend forward he was told it wasn't permitted so I really don't understand that at all South Cambridgeshire District Council talk about quality of life in their local plan if this goes ahead ours will be very very poor for a long time to come COVID-19 lockdowns have got everybody thinking about mental health we are already suffering and the mental health is certainly not going to improve by the position of this project the health of your residents should be uppermost in your decision making process the idea of putting old and frail residents at risk has to be completely unacceptable on any basis the scale and magnitude and impact of this project make it completely unreasonable particularly when you remember that the applicants had the option of moving to somewhere more suitable for them it's a very large redevelopment to be imposed on a quiet this is a very large redevelopment to be imposed on a quiet neighborhood and elderly and frail male neighbors and should never be allowed I would like to think in the name of humanity of nothing else that you put stuff to this application once and for all if you're not prepared to do that you will have to refuse it because it fails on the minimum size and age 12 and I'm sure you want to investigate why non-existent front extensions have been used as a precedence for the properties front extension and that's me done excellent thank you very much members do you have any points of clarification you'd like to pursue vice-chair chairman from councillor Brian Milnes right councillor Milnes please thank you chair um so actually there's a um a question I probably um really need to um put back to the officers over the principal planning consideration that mr williams raised because he raised a lot of issues that really weren't uh and not able to be considered by the planning committee in terms of um neighbors with covid worries and and so on um and so I'm interested in terms of his objections in terms of the size of both the annex and uh the proposal for the house and whether uh they are indeed within the permitted development the size limits okay thanks if you don't mind I'll return to that with the officer I'll just check if anybody wants to thank you is you anything further we've missed the williams um vice-chair do we have anybody else who wishes yes chair I have a request for clarification oh sorry um is that you all right I think councillor breadman I know getting asked my point of clarification yeah which is um mr williams said he was speaking on behalf of himself and some others and I wanted to clarify is he speaking on which which house numbers is he speaking on behalf of and um the other one was I think has councillor Brian Milnes has asked what is the um space standard could could the yeah we will be pursuing clarify that I did give a response to councillor Milne that we would pursue that once we've um dealt with questions from mr williams so mr williams do you wish to help on the question of the who you're speaking on behalf yeah so I live in um 10 craft way so that's next door and I'm also speaking you know Michael recent George place you live another six craft way so both right I'm sorry direct both direct neighbours yeah you're breaking up a bit but I think we've got that sorry so can I just so sorry chairman did he say he was speaking on behalf of 10 and six craft way correct yeah thank you chair okay thank you uh do we have any other speakers please uh not so far chair no okay so mr williams thank you very much indeed for your contribution um I'll now go back to Aaron and ask him to clarify the issues on h12 please thank you chair so policy h12 residential space standards only applies to new residential developments this is an extension and the erection of an ancillary annex it's not it wouldn't be classed as a new residential unit that would need to meet space standards on councillor Milne's question on um permitted development rights the proposed annex is 2.8 meters high um and permitted development rights for an outbuilding would be a maximum of 2.5 meters high so obviously the extra 30 centimetres exceeds that amount so um an outbuilding this height would require a planning planning application okay thank you very much for that councillor Milne's were you happy with that yeah that's fine just in terms of the I did ask about the size uh which was referred to by mr Williams I think of the proposed extensions to the main building as well uh so again would that meet permitted development or is that why it's feared before us as well yeah for that sorry through you chair um so it exceeds the um the amount of development that would be uh permitted development this is development and requires a planning application to be determined thank you okay thank you very much for that and chairman sorry please yes I wanted to know what I appreciate this is not a new development but I wanted to know what would be the minimum space requirement for a single dwelling if it were new well I'm not sure that's actually relevant to this application is it councillor please can we ask can I ask we can ask but there needs to be that's great thank you thank you uh can you help the councillor on this bit of information please yes so a one bedroom one person unit a single story would be um 39 meter squared or 37 meter squared for a studio unit thank you very much chairman right thank you um we don't have any further public speakers we have had a written statement from the applicants which you were circulated to all members on the 5th of February so um we will go into the debate now with somebody like to open the discussion vice chair do we have any speakers vice chair do we have any speakers um I'd like to speak chair okay go on them thank you very much um speaking thank you very much chair um what I observe with um developments of this type um I might be wrong in my um estimation of age but I think of this style of housing a sort of 70s style or perhaps maybe 80s um and what I'm aware of was that these style of houses often have very open gardens and part of their um style is that they very often have um a similar style of gardens that makes the whole of the development a coherent whole so that they can be viewed as a collection um often with no boundary no no hedges and no boundaries on front gardens so that they can be seen and they set back from the road and they give a sense of space to a a road and I suspect that's partly why this was allowed opposite the edge of the conservation area originally I'm speculating but I think that's probably part of its um character and so what I observe is that there's quite the development just even without going into the detail appears to be quite a big proposed extension and it proposes to push the front of the um dwelling out beyond the existing building line um which would make it then out of um pattern with its neighbours um so that that I'm concerned about and also because uh I I don't think um um I think that that the the the product of the extension would make a very large development which potentially risks over looking its neighbours or indeed overbearing its neighbours but I'm fairly satisfied that the um measures that the case officer has put in place prevent any direct overlooking but I am worried about the extension the um annex proposal because um whilst I absolutely understand um that this is well in fact I when I was first looking at this I thought well if this was new it would have to have a minimum standard and we've explained that it's not new it in the sense that it is ancillary to an existing dwelling but to my mind it is kind of new in the fact that it's um a new um dwelling on the same site so I appreciate we we need to be careful about that um but I think um I wait to hear what others say but my view is this could potentially be a really large overbearing development in a row of um of houses of a similar design and I think it would be out of keeping with them thank you and chairman um the next um oh we've got some requests to speak we've also got um a comment wasn't council right going to speak as local member but chairman I'll let you take that so next is what councillor feign right councillor feign please thank you chair I am a little concerned that the um I'm concerned of councillor feign sorry we can only see the top of your head mind adjusted yeah that's a better you can see it really is me and that's no improvement but thank you chair um the case officer reports a paragraph 25 it is evident that the properties along craftway each have single story front extensions with an integrated garage um that is clearly contested by the neighbouring residents uh but it may not be material in determining the outcome the question is is this extension excessive um and we are told at paragraph 29 that the proposed two story extension does not involve the dwelling projecting any further to the rear nor raising the ease or ridge height on this site uh indeed from the rear of the property which is again not important it clearly improves the appearance uh that there is that extraordinary construction at the moment which would be then masked similarly it doesn't appear to project any further to the front of the property councillor bradham said it goes beyond the building line I wasn't clear that that is the case it does seem to me however that clearly in addition to a condition on the property being retained the annex in particular being retained in the same ownership it would be reasonable in this case to add a condition as to hours of working the council tends not to put those conditions on except for larger developments but as I've pointed out in the past it's actually in the case of smaller developments like this that there is an immediate impact on neighbours and we have on previous two occasions that I can think of this committee has agreed to impose that condition in similar circumstances and I would suggest that we were to do so again if we approve this thank you very much could I just point out that um condition three is hours of working um so that's probably already in the condition three on page 105 okay thank you chairman yep next person requesting to speak is councillor Debra Roberts right uh I think it's Nick right I think it's councillor right before me chairman I thought it was councillor Milne that's that councillor Milne's you're right chairman okay councillor Milne please don't worry can Debra Roberts too many cooks Brian anyway um I'm just like as long as those working hours limitations are in there because that would respond to Mr Williams uh concerns at least in part for that um but it seems seems to me that we've got to um technically um we haven't got uh I see any substantive material planning considerations to object to this so I believe I'll be speaking in support of it thank you okay thank you very much uh councillor Wright and please is representing the local address I believe chairman I was hoping to speak in reverse order since we're following that policy today and could I come in at the end when everyone's spoken of course there's no fun then in that case I think it's councillor Roberts isn't it yes that's correct chairman yep councillor Roberts please thank you chairman um I think we just need to make it clear to the uh member of the public the gentleman who spoke at the near neighbor um obviously he made some quite emotional um comments and and regarding himself and his neighbors and elderly people but I think we we have to make it very clear that um the majority of those things not the side of the house which is a material consideration but um sympathetic as we may feel towards people not being too disturbed that is not a reason for planning refusals I think we really do need to make that clear because um if it is approved I wouldn't like the gentleman to think that we've ignored his comments we've heard them but um they are actually relative to what we have to decide thank you chairman thank you very much all right and uh our next speaker is councillor Martin Kahn chairman councillor Kahn please again I'd like to say that I have the application I've listened to what people have said and I can't see any real sound funding grounds the rear extension is two-story but it's no the existing extension to the rear already goes up to two stories it's not I don't think it's going to create any real significant increase in over overbearingness from the existing rear part because it doesn't go beyond the limits of it the front doesn't extend beyond the existing front part a single-story part of the building so um I can't see the grounds on those grounds really to refuse the annex is smaller than the than the minimum size for an independent dwelling but we're talking about an ancillary dwelling which we could normally would make use of the facilities of the main dwelling so it's not exactly the same thing um so I really cannot see any sound planning grounds refuse which cannot be or any problems that cannot be resolved by conditions and that's the key issue can we resolve it by conditions normally we should resolve things we can by conditions and in this case I think we can such as matters of the hour hours of work as explained um so um I certainly still be in favour of approving this development all right thank you very much councillor uh and chairman the next person is councillor to me Hawkins thank you councillor Dr Hawkins please thank you chair and through you just to Mr Richard Williams um you know um I'm sorry for the uh distress that you know the the process has caused um but you know with this hopefully uh you can see that we are looking at the issue um you know based on planning policies and afresh um in terms of uh your presentation thank you for that um but you know as uh councillor Roberts has said which is what I was going to say as well you know we can only look at the planning policies um rather than sort of the the personal issues otherwise we wouldn't be doing things lawfully so on that basis um we you know the the size of the front extension it's not going beyond in fact it's just a you know an infill of the garage that is in front of the property at the moment um and you know making that part of the house and the rear extension which will I think is only about 20 centimeters above the front of the house as it stands now um there is you know no material reason uh for us not to approve this application but we have heard you we have considered the issues and um on the basis of the uh planning material planning reasons I do not see a uh any reason to refuse this application so thank you all right thank you very much and chairman I've asked if I may just speak again on one element please if it's new it is it's not going back over all ground okay well it's seeking clarification from the case officer if I may chairman um so through you um I take the point that people have made about the building line and that this extension does not extend beyond the building line what I wanted to check was given the current position of the front of the garage is I've got the proposed plan in front of me and are we saying that the building line will be no further um forward than the current front of the garage but on the left side of the house where they're proposing to put a playroom instead is that right let's let's let's check that um okay officer could you help us thank you chair yes council brad and I can confirm uh the building line will not go beyond uh the front building line as existing it will just fill in the space with the as you said with the playroom um on the other side of the property but the front door will in fact come forward a bit uh yes that's correct very slightly but it will still be set back yes okay thank you chairman that was what I wanted to clarify okay thank you very much and then finally then councillor right please thank you chairman um and listening to what members have said and uh speaking on behalf of uh the local member I've listened to what Richard Williams said and it was very emotional and I think we all understand the reasons exactly why he's saying it and understand how disturbing to everyone's life this application is he does raise in my mind a material planning reason for refusing it and that is up to members to consider and that is the the massing of the building affecting the neighbours amenities and that is a judgment for members to make um looking at what the parish council have said they've not raised an objection to this but they have made the point that uh they're very anxious that the annex should be not sold off at any point separate to the house and uh they're concerned about any change of use in the annex and this is should be dealt with by condition you know such as a bed and breakfast or anything else like that so they're they're they're anxious about making sure that's protected by condition and we certainly put those conditions in on other annexes so I don't see that being a problem this application but it must be done um so it's really up to members and uh I think I'll leave it there chairman thank you very much right thank you very much um can I just check with um the case officer um the business of tying the annex to the property I believe you you said is is going to be covered by condition yes that's correct it's covered by condition number four which states that it shall not shall not be occupied by by any other any other times um other than purposes ancillary to the residential use of the dwelling right very cropped way and just to confirm the hours of work and so on they're also conditioned yes condition three covers that okay right members can we then come to a conclusion on this one um I have heard some arguments with the overbearing and massing of the buildings and some questions of neighbourhood um amenity I take it the should that anybody wish to um vote for a refusal that those would be the grounds if not say so now okay chair sorry chair if I may just intervene sorry um I I hadn't actually noted that myself in terms of a reason for a refusal so um it would just be helpful if there is a particular point about the design or mass of the extension that members are concerned with just to confirm that and then I mean the point had been raised but nobody has said so far that they intend to vote for refusal no so I think we're probably go for a vote thank you chair okay thank you for your help okay so members can we take this by affirmation or do we need a roll call does anybody wish to actually vote for refusal the proposed before you is for approval so are we all in favour of approval agreed chair agreed agreed no one wishes to vote against no abstentions no so that is unanimous and that is approved by affirmation so thank you very much for that thank you Mr Billings for your time we now move on to agenda item eight on page 107 um the reference number is 20 04089 HFUL on we're at 14 Main Street Shuddy camps the proposal is for a two-story side and rear extensions following demolition of flat roofed garage bathroom wc side extension plus external and internal conversion works the applicant's office room Mrs Gladman the um presenting officer will go through the community room considerations the applications brought to committee because the applicant is an employee of South Cambridge district council the officer recommendation is approval the presenting officer is Tom Gray planning officer uh Mr Gray over to you for your presentation please thank you chair and good afternoon members and you confirm chair that you can see my presentation yes i can thank you so this application is for a side extension and rear extensions 14 Main Street Shuddy camps the site districts are the public right away to the east of the sites um the dwelling is located in a development framework as indicated by this map here here is the existing site plan on the left and the proposed site plan on the right you see where the two-story site extension be located and rear extensions to the back there'll be extension to the turning area and parking area to the front and hard standing where the current grass verges to the front of the site the existing and proposed elevations and the approximate measurements showing the approximate width of the garage on the left of 4.6 meters the approximate width of the right on the right of the two-story extension of 4.3 the existing floor plans and proposed floor plans are shown on the screen now here are some views of the site this is from the front of the site from the west of the site to the east and from the rear garden the key considerations are impact upon the character and appearance of the local area the means impacts provision apartment provision and highway safety and other matters thank you all right thank you very much members any points of clarification required nice chair do we have anyone uh none so far could i just ask a question though chair please yes carol thank you um thank you uh mr gray um could you just remind us as i recall this site is high relatively high high relative to the road and to the bungalows on the opposite side of the road isn't it yeah so it is in a slightly elevated position um so the front of the site does um go downwards to public road that's correct thank you and this effectively doubles the width of the front elevation of the house is that right or am i mistaking it it's um it's less than half that it doesn't double it it's slightly less than doubling the width i'll show you my screen thank you again and approximate widths you scooted through your presentation quite quickly i was trying to apologies can you see the screen yes thank you so through you chair at the front the um the extension extends on top of the existing outbuilding and garage and fills in the space above so it does sort of double the width of the elevation at first floor level is am i right so it's nearly doubles it the current width of the two-story element of the dwelling is five point one and the proposed width of the two-story extension is four point three okay thank you all right thank you any other points nice chair do we have any further uh yes we have a request from councillor martin carne all right councillor carne please i went to look at this site on by street view from um and the issues as people commented it's above the road it was quite imposing and there was a similar pair of cottages immediately to the left as you look at it both of which look the same on which i think it probably x council houses and have a slightly interestingly slightly curved upper windows um i just wanted to ask in terms of what normal policy is do we know um this shows a break in the speak in the roof line so that it makes clear that it's a separate extension and and basically adds on to the the existing dwelling sort of attack on rather is it a policy that you should not continue on the same extensions on the same roof line because i feel in this instance it actually would have been preferable um to make it look as though it was one whole building rather than a building with an extension just wonder what the policy is because i find it quite well i've no problem about the being extension there and besides i find it rather jazz when i look at it visually and also that they haven't continued the slightly curved roof top window detail along the on the top of the windows try answer that yeah comments um so in terms of policy um it's generally generally for extensions um we'd like extensions to be subservient to the main dwelling in terms of ridge height and slightly and set back in this in this instance it is both set back slightly from the principle elevation of two-story dwelling as well as um the ridge line um less than the ridge line of the current dwelling um i think if if it was if it was continuing the the ridge line of the existing dwelling it'd be even more prominent on the street scene investment that's in my view right thank you very much for that i don't think we have any further speakers do we have a clarification last year no chairman there are no further requests to thank you very much for that we do not have any uh public speakers for this item so go to any debate that you may wish or we can go straight to a vote if you prefer um is anyone wish to speak to this chairman chairman i will speak if that's if i may how's the bread then please thank you um we know that this has come to this application has come to us because uh it's a residence in the ownership of a member of staff and um um it looks perfectly reasonable to me um and the plans um indicate that they've taken care in the way that they've proposed the development and whilst it's quite a sizable extension of the property um the um extension at the rear is just single story so it won't affect their neighbors and um i i have no objection to it and i will be voting for it chairman right thank you very much uh councillor calm could you turn off your camera please otherwise we're looking at your dressing gowns thank you uh i don't think we have any further speakers do we yes no no chairman no further speakers have requested i wanted to speak sorry sorry who's it i think that was councillor calm chairman did you want to speak yeah briefly yeah i just want to say that uh as i expressed my concern about the valking and the appearance of that um building i feel it doesn't achieve the the best uh solution particularly with the details of the window the windows and the size of it in this instance it would have been better to try and create what appeared to appear to be a terrace but it appears to meet the normal policies of the of the local authority so i can't criticise the applicants on this basis so but because i'm unhappy about it i will be abstaining right we've got no further request to speak so far chairman thank you very much and in that case we will come to a conclusion then on this so we know councillor calm wishes to abstain can i just check if anybody wishes to pursue refusal i hear nothing so can i take it with the exception of councillor calm's abstention that everyone wishes to vote in favour of the recommendation which is approval agreed chairman agreed agreed anybody against no i am i think so that is um approved so that's agreed by 10 votes to one abstention we hope we move on then uh item nine we've already dealt with at power mirror that that has been referred to at a later date we are now on agenda item 10 on page 125 uh and this is the enforcement report um is mr funge with us are you presenting this report please mr funge are you with us i am now all right good okay welcome thank you do you think you want to update us i haven't i understand um that um councillor right is requesting uh an update with regard to smithy fen which um mr carter is going to uh provide thank you okay right so mr carter do you have next day problem smithy fen lovely thank you chair yes so just to the opportunity to speak with colleagues in the lunch break following council rights request um so the council is in the process of securing additional resources to assist with the investigation um and putting together an up-to-date picture of the position in terms of planning breaches as well as other considerations in conjunction with the other council service areas involved um i understand councillor right was um updated by uh steven kelly the director of planning and economic development to that effect as well work is ongoing um but obviously happy to take back any further feedback that members may have thank you chair thank you very much uh councillor right did anything you want to pursue there yes chairman thank you and uh thank you mr carter for that update i'm slightly surprised to hear the councils uh searching for funds for uh from other sources when it has its own fund sitting there specifically for this purpose for any enforcement action that smithy fen and so i'm slightly surprised to hear that and in fact that was part of my update from steven kelly um so i think our concerns councillors is that you know this has been going on for a long long time and you know we just are not seeing any action on the original on the original any increased action on the original enforcement action uh we've got about 60 percent uh of what we asked on the original enforcement but there is still 40 percent to follow up and that doesn't seem to be done uh apart from some action through the Cambridge magistrates which has been ignored largely and also uh the council worth talking of going for injunctions on the site and that has not been done either now i appreciate that over the length of time this enforcement action has been going on the site has changed substantially um so we we just need to know and to keep this in front of the public that action is being taken because there are a lot of vulnerable people at risk here thank you thank you very much indeed chair sorry through you could i just clarify when i said resources i meant officer resources rather than financial resources so sorry if that wasn't clear in my original update right thank you very much for that uh vice chair i think we've got some more further speakers have we uh chairman yes um we have councillor toomey hawkins i thought i saw it hang on did we did i'm sorry did councillor not me there's councillor kahn has spoken already hasn't he so then we've got councillor heather williams sorry chairman sorry councillor hawkins with that's fine councillor williams please thank you chairman i was worried i'd got forgotten there um so it was just a question on the general enforcement report um about our figures for close for the year to date um and you know we it does it does still worry me that we're sort of behind our normal trends because we can see from the previous years you know we've been very good at closing cases and everything else and i'm just wondering if there's um if there's a broader issue that perhaps we need to know as as a committee as to why things are slightly dropping um i know in november obviously we had a bit of a setback but um yeah any clarification around that be much appreciated because it's we can see it's performed so well in the past all right thank you very much for that i don't know if mr fange would like to comment yes yeah i'm happy to comment i mean obviously the the pandemic restrictions are having an effect on our ability to visit sites which is obviously which is causing a backlog in investigations um so yeah there are we have more cases in hand um which we will be looking to to to close when we can complete the investigations but there is a delay each site has to be um risk assessed um individually by the officers and and some it's just not not possible to visit at all at the moment all right thank you very much for that thank thank you chairman thank mr fange thank you councillor williams councillor dr hawkins please thank you chair through you uh just so go back on smithy fen um i can assure councillor right that action is actually going on um there has been um uh sort of an aerial survey of the site and i think as steven probably has already told you uh what we can see at the moment is somewhat different to the layout uh that was part of the injunction um um that we had back then so trying to match trying to carry on with injunction on it's on a different layout is a bit of a difficulty but there are there is action ongoing um and as soon as there can be more update you will be informed just to let you know that when it's not that we're not doing anything we are doing something all right thank you very much for that okay any other comments no chairman there are no further requests to speak okay all right we've noted that then thank you mr fange for your update we move on to agenda item 11 appeals against planning decisions and enforcement actions um we haven't looked in that appendix one um i mean i am aware that we have had quite a significant appeal on the water beach issue um that i asked mr carter to update us on because it has some significant implications for policy to carter please thank you chair um apologies i i just understood our conversation yesterday i thought we were going to to raise that at the next meeting um but uh i can give them a brief brief explanation you've probably all received the appeal decision um at uh bannel road i believe was uh sorry i'm just opening it now um which was a committee decision uh last year for a scheme for 18 dwellings um the appeal has been allowed uh and unfortunately some costs awarded against the council uh on the basis of the decision uh this is a site that's located outside the defined settlement boundary of water beach but members may recall it's surrounded on on all sides i believe by uh infill development that was granted uh when the council couldn't display a five-year uh housing land supply um and the inspector noted that whilst the starting point for the decision of uh the development not according with the development plan because of its location outside of the boundary was the correct starting point the inspector considered that there were material considerations that indicated that a different decision should be made um and that in this particular case the inspector found that the development wouldn't cause the harm that had been identified by the council in its decision and found those factors to outweigh the conflict with the development plan and allowed the appeal so it's it's uh an interesting decision in the context of developments that are out with our settlement boundaries and just highlights the the need to take into account other material considerations uh on a site-by-site basis uh particularly for a site like this which has modern development surrounding it as well thank you chair thank you very much uh thank you chair if i may by all means done and i think it is important that we just highlight that the partial award of costs did not relate to the decision as to the development framework it related to to design matters is that that's correct isn't it chris i believe so thank you steven um if members haven't received it i'm happy to circulate both the uh the appeal decision and the cost decision following the meeting uh for members to read for themselves um it's you know the inspector's reasoning is is quite clear um but uh obviously be happy to answer any further questions after that if that's helpful chair if i may just go on um to appendix uh three um and the informal hearings just to clarify that uh the appeal that land review of 24 to 27 panes meadow linton uh that relates to a refusal by the committee not a non-determination so that's uh incorrect in the report it was an application that was refused i just wanted to highlight that as well chair thank you all right thank you very much okay members any other points anybody wants to raise on appeals vice chair do we have anybody um i think chair we i think council to me hawkins has already spoken and i think we had a request from bright councillor mills and then councillor heather wilson right okay councillor mills and please thank you yes um i just wondered whether uh press card could uh update if at all on the land at middle lane sourcing appeal which seems to have been dragging on for uh years now i think there are three applications that have been joined uh in in that and we just would like to see some progress do you want me to help on this one christ uh chair forgive me i i do have some background noise i'm afraid there are there are men working in the garden but um uh steven may may like to assist but i understand that we're very close to agreeing a hearing date now i think the council and the appellant have put forward dates to the planning inspectorate and waiting for the inspectorate to confirm steven can you add anything further to that yes it's uh it's not a case of the council dragging its heels at all uh the the the appellant has themselves been writing to pins to say that because of uh lockdown they weren't in a position to agree an earlier date so so they've been the guys pressing for the the matter to go back and it's two applications it's one for 35 units one for 45 oh i thought there was a third version as well but no no just two just two thank you okay thank you very much uh and councillor heather williams please thank you chairman um it's just if miss cartes able to um just draw our attention to if any of these well absolutely i'll get my words right in a minute any of these appeals uh are challenging of five year housing land supply with particular interest in the source among because my understanding is because of the time that's elapsed they can now submit new evidence um so is that still the case if so have they submitted any more evidence um and do we have any challenges to our land supply thank you chairman thank you thank you chair um i think as i've informed council williams previously the the appeal state the original appeal statements on the schemes at sourston did touch on five year supply but without providing any evidence it's possible that new evidence may be submitted given the amount of time that's elapsed but i'm not aware that any has arrived so far and with regard to the other appeals again i'm not aware that any of those relate to a challenge against the five year land supply for the council thank you chair thank you so mr reed wanted to add to that since it's appeared on the screen thank you chair no nothing to add from uh to what mr carter said thank you okay thank you very much um i don't think i've got any further speakers of our vice chair no chair there's no further speakers okay so we've noted that and in that case that's the end of the meeting thank you very much everybody thank you for the public who have taken part today and thank you all who have been watching um if you're pleased to know members that our next appearance is almost imminent again friday the 19th of february we have an extraordinary meeting where we deal with the born uh airfield uh application just the single item so i will see you again on friday the 19th um i haven't met i say thank you everybody and good afternoon thank you chairman thank you chairman thank you chairman um before we close the meeting could i ask mr carter something uh you are still live uh vice chair uh would you like to be still live or should i close the stream no no no please close the stream okay thank you


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Hi everybody, we're back. This is Dave Vellante of Wikibon.org and this is the spotlight on the high performance data center and I'm here with David Nicholson who heads up the Intel EMC Alliance. David, welcome back to theCUBE. Thanks, great to be here. Saw you at VMworld a few weeks ago, about a month ago now. Yes. Great event, different vibe than what we have here at Oracle Open World, isn't it? Yeah, it is different. It's not just the difference in numbers but I think it's a difference in the vibe between Vegas and San Francisco. Has a lot to do with it. Well, let's see, were you at VMworld last year? Yes. And were you at Open World last year? Yes. Okay, so there was still a different vibe even though they were both in this building. Yeah, yeah, this is true, this is true. And you know, but let's talk about that for a minute because VMworld is, it's kumbaya, it's ecosystem, it's for every dollar spent on VMware licensed 17 or 15 or whatever it is that's spent in the ecosystem and there's a lot of good feeling and there's a newness and a real energy around that. You don't hear that same kind of talk here. Yeah, it's a little different. A lot of business being done. Absolutely. No doubt about it. Absolutely. Fantastic. Good stuff, but it's just not as open at Open World. No, it is interesting, some of my colleagues and I were joking that Oracle Open World has become much like the North Korean Freedom Festival in some ways. I think that there was quite a contrast was on display when you take a look at EMC's keynote with Pat Gelsinger and Joe Tucci up on stage with Chad painting a picture of an open world where architecture can have things like Oracle and other applications running against it followed by Oracle's vision of the world which had a lot of exas in front of it, exa, vis, and exa that. Yeah, we got a mega dose of exa. Yes, we did. In fact, if you go to Moscone West hanging from the ceiling, Larry Ellison has his exa dingy. It's quite an impressive piece of kit. Yeah, the exa dingy. I love it. Probably bigger than most people's boats. So, but let's talk about that because openness is in the eye of the beholder. So, what is open to EMC and you run the Intel Alliance? What's open to EMC and Intel? So, we're looking at a platform that, and Pat Gelsinger talks about this very, very frequently and eloquently. We're looking at a proliferation of x86 architecture, Intel architecture in general, a more ubiquitous nature as flash becomes increasingly important in the storage realm, and of course a virtualization layer. And that virtualization layer generally EMC is going to talk about VMware, but truly we're talking about hypervisors of all flavors and stripes. So, think about a horizontally arranged hardware stack that allows you to bring any application to that stack in a private cloud, in a public cloud, and then linking those two environments together, this concept of the hybrid cloud. So, the hardware stack is independent of the application layer. Whereas, in the case of Oracle, it's not. Exactly. Okay, but couldn't you argue, in narrowly, that exologic for example, is a horizontal infrastructure layer for Oracle apps, across the Oracle application portfolio? Yes. So, they take that concept to a point. You're saying you take that further. Yes, further. So, if you only run Oracle software in your enterprise, then Exa Pick Your Flavor can represent open architecture. Most of our customers, and when I say our, I'm talking about Intel and EMC, most of our customers run application environments in addition to Oracle. So, we are extending that. Now, let me say there is, certainly it makes sense when you look at optimizing software and hardware to work together, and Intel and EMC are trying to do that, as best as possible, to address a broader portfolio of applications aside from Oracle's environments. Yeah, engineering hardware and software together, which is the Oracle mantra, it makes sense. There's some benefits of doing that. Sure. It's interesting to note that exologic, exolytics, exadata, it's Intel inside there. Absolutely. We saw some T4 announcements this week, and for those customers that don't necessarily want to move, I guess that's the solution, but Intel really is taking over the data center world for all except a few workloads that are, the scale up, I don't know what percent of the market is, but it's probably less than 20. Intel really has won. I mean, even inside of storage arrays now, like the VMAX for example. Absolutely, we've standardized all of our architecture on Intel, that was about a decade long process. And that is true. And yes, yeah, there are Xeon processors inside the various EGSA products, but when we talk about X86 and Intel architecture, I'm really referring to that open architecture that isn't necessarily tied to something. Some piece of hardware. That Oracle sells, yeah. Yeah, okay. So again, I want to get back to this notion of open, because open systems was the watchword in the 80s and it took down companies like Prime and Wang and DG and even digital, right? Ken Olson's famous line about UNIX's snake oil. Sure. UNIX was open, and now UNIX is closed. Right. So, Linux is open, right? So you have this sort of evolving platform, evolving nomenclature. Ultimately, what makes things open is the entries and the exits into that system, I guess, or open source, if you want to just open source everything, but then it's harder to make money. Yeah. Red Hat's done an okay job of it, but generally speaking, it's harder to make money. So there's a fine line there, right? So talk a little bit about how you get into and out of those environments and what that means and is there a development community effort going on there? Yeah, sure there is. We actually work very closely with something called the Open Data Center Alliance and the Open Data Center Alliance is providing guidance. It's about 300 customers, IT shops, that are providing their input, kind of guiding what open architecture or cloud architecture will look like in the future. So, open architecture, I guess, shouldn't be confused with open systems or any flavor of UNIX or any operating system in particular. It's more the idea that the hardware infrastructure can support virtual machines, whether they are VMware, Citrix, Hyper-V, virtual machines, those should be transparently movable between different areas in the stack. So I guess it really begs the question about just how proprietary is your software stack in that architecture? And we see proprietary as really indicating the idea that it's something that's worth paying for. So if we can provide a value add and if people stay with our architecture because they see a value instead of staying because of the pain of movement, then we feel like we've won. And there's a big difference there. Oracle would say the same thing that you just said, right? We add value, but the inference I just made from what you said is a lot of customers have no choice. Yeah, I would think that, yes, this is true. I did note sort of a sense that some of the folks, the customer references that were shown, there was like fear in the eyes of some of those references. Sensing that. Yeah, people are afraid of Oracle. There's no doubt about it. Did you see the exit dinghy? It's a menacing black, kind of pirate ship-ish sort of thing. But it's true though, customers are afraid, partners are afraid, employees, you know. Oracle is the 800-pound gorilla. And you can't argue that, in fact, there is a great message there when it comes to integrating hardware and software. And for some, the exit products do offer a value. Again, we just go back to this idea that outside of the Oracle universe, there are plenty of applications that need to be managed as well. So I want to come back to choice. And how do you respond to somebody who says, okay, I hear you, Dave. You guys are more open. Intel, Cisco, the whole VCE thing. VMware is fundamental to a V-block. If I want to put Hyper-V in a V-block, I can't. So how do you respond to those? Well, that's very exadata, exa-like. That's closed, isn't it? Sure. Well, what we really do is we offer a range of options. So VCE would be the pre-packaged variant of an open architecture where certain decisions about the components, those decisions have already been made. But we have plenty of customers who will substitute the Cisco part of the VCE infrastructure with Brocade. Substitute the UCS Cisco part of the server infrastructure with Dell or HP. It's just not a V-block. It's just not a V-block. Yeah, by definition, the V-block includes certain types of components. But we do architectures that are very similar with other hardware. So essentially you're saying it's not just about the products that you design and take to market. It's about the business practices and adjacent solutions that you build. Exactly. So that's sort of a big component, I guess, of Open. Again, it's this moving, fuzzy thing, but you kind of know it when you see it. Yeah, absolutely. It'll be interesting to see what happens over the next several years. I mean, I think that this is going to be a very, very interesting period in the history of IT. There are some who look at Oracle very clearly attempting to become the Apple for Enterprise IT, and they see an opportunity for great success. I think there's a lot of room in the world for both versions at this point. A more open architecture and the closed architectures that they're talking about. I think the difference that we've observed on theCUBE this week is that the whole consumerization trend, consumerization of IT hasn't seeped into Oracle's space yet. Not yet. It's extremely complicated. I mean, you come from a, EMC comes from a complicated world, and I know you're working hard to simplify a lot of the things that you do, but that consumerization of IT is a big step that Oracle has to take and others in the Enterprise to get to Apple-like simplicity, don't you think? Yeah, yeah, I would agree completely. We're not quite there yet. Yeah, so it's interesting to see the whole way that dynamic has shifted, that consumers are really driving a lot of the innovation. We saw it with Flash. We're seeing it in so many ways. Certainly, simplicity, cloud. I guess we can learn a lot from that. I, as a small business person, sometimes feel like I have better IT than I used to when I was at a big company. Well, I thought there was actually an IDF, another show a little while ago. The CEO of Intel presented a great story, and that story began with this idea that the user is the center of the compute world, and that user's experience is going to be driven, is going to drive, I should say, the way that IT infrastructure will be deployed moving forward. And because folks like us have talked about cloud and IT as a service for so long and so often, we get this idea that it is upon us when in fact most of these workloads are still working in traditional data center environments just like they have for the last decade. So this trend has not yet really flowed over us when it comes to IT as a service. And I think it's going to be interesting. It'll be interesting to see how some of these exologic exadata, exolytics products stand up when IT as a service becomes truly prevalent. I think it's a really important point you're making, and you're familiar with the words going on, war words between Benioff and Ellison sort of started last year at Open World. Larry doesn't get it, cloud doesn't run on the box. Oh, what do you think it runs on? It runs on 1,500 Dell server boxes, that whole thing back and forth. And that was kind of interesting. And in a way, they're both right. Larry technically is correct that the cloud is databases and microprocessors and software in a data center. But to the point that you just made, cloud is as much about the user experience as anything else. And it's a philosophy around that user experience. So what is EMC's philosophy around cloud specifically and compare that with some of the others, Oracle or other folks that you see out there that might be cloud washing? So I think right now, really we're focused on the journey, which sounds like a loose marketing term, but truly it's- Well, it is a marketing term. Yeah, of course it is. But it is, it's also an exciting journey. Well, as long as you can define the steps on that journey. And we think we've done a pretty good job of that, because what it starts with is the idea that first you need to ready your infrastructure that lives in traditional data center environments by creating this concept of the private cloud. So by abstracting and virtualizing workloads in their data, creating infrastructure that allows you to transport workloads along with applications, then you can start considering moving those workloads into the public space where you have this concept of the hybrid cloud moving from the private cloud to the public cloud. So we also see this world where the end user is in the driver's seat. The end user brings whatever device they choose to bring to access information. And the IT infrastructure behind it supports those access protocols. So part and parcel to this journey is the idea that first you virtualize, you standardize within your data center. And I've mentioned those components, the components that are included there, virtualization, solid state, standardization. Those are replicated in the public cloud space so you can move workloads back and forth seamlessly. And that public cloud space is a lot more likely to drive the pejorative term would be commoditization, but it's much more likely that those IT as a service providers are going to be extremely dispassionate about the kind of hardware they buy. It's not pejorative to users. No, it isn't. Commoditize me. Yes, exactly. Drive out cost in other words. And you know, companies can make money, that's cool. Yeah. We as customers don't have a problem with that. That's right. But the reality is if you don't fanatically drive cost out, not going to win in this business. Dave Nicholson, very interesting discussion. Appreciate you coming inside theCUBE, talking about the work that you're doing with Intel, Oracle, very interesting times we're living in, you know, that Chinese proverb. I guess we hit the lottery as far as that goes. Yeah, no kidding. Yeah, thanks very much and good to see you again. It's great to see you too.


Hey, Psych2Goers. Recently, we made a video about seven things you should keep private. Some of you shared your thoughts with us, and today we'd like to acknowledge them. You told us about the types of situations in which you shouldn't keep to yourself, but instead should share with those you trust. These may include difficulties in your family, relationships, and workplace. And while sometimes some things are best kept private to avoid unnecessary problems, we do encourage you to speak up about serious issues you may be facing. Talking about those problems in a safe setting, like with a mental health professional or a close friend, could help you take the weight off your shoulders. So here are four things not to keep private. Number one, abuse in the family or relationships. It's common to have disagreements with your partner, friends, and family. Maybe you're annoyed that they don't help around the house enough. But sometimes when your relationship problems go far beyond chores and minor disputes, it's important to tell someone. As mentioned by Shagun Maria, an Australian psychotherapist, abuse can be a taboo subject, making it very difficult to openly discuss it. You may feel guilty, ashamed, confused, or afraid that people will judge you or won't take you seriously. For these reasons, you may feel like you just can't open up, and then you suffer in silence. But by keeping silent, you may be giving your abuser even more power over you. When you talk about it, you shift that power back to you and you allow others to help you with your struggle. Sybil Kuman, a licensed professional counselor in Colorado, suggests that you find someone who you feel is trustworthy enough for you to share your story with. And if you don't feel like people in your life could help you with your situation, you should definitely seek help from professionals whose job it is to help victims of abuse stand back on their feet. Number two, depression or other mental health problems. Even though psychology and mental health is now more accessible than ever before, it's still underestimated, not understood and stigmatized. For these reasons, when you're feeling down, you may just put on a happy mask and pretend you're okay. This is commonly called bottling up your emotions, and it can be extremely damaging for your mental and physical health. According to clinical psychologist Victoria Tarrett, suppressing your emotions, whether it's anger, sadness, grief, or frustration can lead to physical stress on your body. It can affect blood pressure, memory, and self-esteem. So talking about your problems with someone you trust not only helps you get all those negative emotions out of your system, but it can also help fight the stigma that surrounds the topic of mental health. By sharing your experiences, you can show others that they're not alone. This was confirmed by a new study published in the Community Mental Health Journal, which found that young adults who shared their stories about living with mental illness increased their well-being and felt less stigmatized. Don't suffer alone. There will always be someone willing to help. Number three, unequal pay or difficult financial situation. Sometimes people are just nosy, especially those you don't know well. They may use your financial situation to shame you if they think you earn too little or mock you out of jealousy if they think you earn too much. With those people, it's best to just let them know that your money is none of their business. But there are situations in which talking about money can actually be important. Even though we live in a modern society, we still haven't solved the problem of unequal pay. For example, recent data from the Bureau of Labor Statistics in 2020 suggest that women earn significantly less than men, even for the same job. On top of that, managers sometimes take advantage of inexperienced workers and may offer you less than what you should be getting. If you suspect you're earning less than you should, talking about money with your coworkers could help you figure out what you should be paid and allow you to stand up for your rights. Just make sure you trust them enough so they don't badmouth you in front of your boss. Similarly, if you're struggling financially, it may be good to share your struggles with someone you're close with. It may be embarrassing and difficult to talk about. But if you're struggling so much that you can barely afford food or basic hygiene, your friends would surely be happy to help you out. They may even be able to lend you a few bucks for necessities or help pay for your grocery trip or maybe even introduce you to job opportunities. And number four, your goals and future plans. Some studies suggest that if you share your goals and dreams with others, you might be less likely to chase them. That might sometimes be true for instances where you're not really 100% sure if that's what you want to pursue. But when it comes to something you're really passionate about, sharing those goals with others could ensure you get the help, connection and support you need to get on the path to success. But when sharing those dreams, pay attention to who you're telling your plans to. A recent 2020 study published in the Journal of Applied Psychology states that you can have greater goal commitment and performance if you tell your goal to someone you believe has higher status than you or if you truly value that person's opinion. Howard Klein, lead author of that study and professor of management and human resources at the Ohio State University explains, you want to be dedicated and unwilling to give up on your goal, which is more likely when you share that goal with someone you look up to. So when talking about your goals, make sure you share them with someone you respect. In that way, you'll make sure it won't be just all talk and no action. Do you agree that these things shouldn't be kept private but shared with someone you like and trust? What are some other things that are best shared with someone? Remember to like, subscribe and share this video with those who might benefit from it. 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The American general warned about war with China. The head of the US Air Force's Air Mobility Command, General Mike Minahan, has issued an ominous warning about a looming future high-end conflict against China, likely over Taiwan. In response, he is ordering leadership under his command to work to ensure their units are as prepared as they can be for this potentiality. This goes right down to demanding that various personnel visit the shooting range to make clear that unrepentant lethality matters most, with Minahan imploring them to aim for the head. General Michael A. Minahan, who as head of Air Mobility Command, oversees the service's fleet of transport and refuelling aircraft, warned personnel to speed their preparations for a potential conflict, citing Chinese President Xi Jinping's aspirations and the possibility that Americans will not be paying attention until it is too late. I hope I am wrong, Minahan wrote. My gut tells me we will fight in 2025. Xi secured his third term and set his war council on October 2022. Taiwan's presidential elections are in 2024 and will offer Xi a reason. United States presidential elections are in 2024 and will offer Xi a distracted America. Xi's team, reason and opportunity are all aligned for 2025. Minahan then directs airmen who are qualified to use a weapon to fire a clip into a seven-meter target with the full understanding that unrepentant lethality matters most. Sometime in February, aim for the head, he said. Minahan's memo encourages the thousands of troops under his command to prepare for war in several other regards. All personnel reporting to him should consider their personal affairs and be more aggressive about training he instructs. Run deliberately, not recklessly, he writes. If you are comfortable in your approach to training then you are not taking enough risk. The memo first reported by NBC News is dated February the 1st which is still days away and was distributed to Minahan's subordinate commanders. An Air Force spokeswoman Maj Hope Cronin verified its authenticity writing in a statement shared with media after the memo began circulating on social media that Minahan's order builds on last year's foundational efforts by Air Mobility Command to ready the Air Mobility Forces for future conflict should deterrence fail. A Pentagon spokesman Brigadier General Patrick Ryder said that the U.S. National Defense Strategy makes clear that China is the pacing challenge of the Department of Defense and the U.S. officials are working with allies and partners to preserve a peaceful free and open Indo-Pacific. A U.S. defense official speaking on the condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity of the issue said that Minahan's comments are not representative of the Department's view on China. Before taking over at Air Mobility Command in 2021, Minahan served in a variety of influential roles in the Pacific beginning in 2013. They include a stint as the deputy commander of the Indo-Pacific Command with purview of China and Taiwan from September 2019 to August 2021. The general's memo coincides with an effort by the Pentagon to reset 20 years of counter insurgency wars in the Middle East and as the Biden administration continues to equip Ukraine with billions of dollars in security assistance as it strives to fight off a Russian invasion.


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