What's up everybody? Oh, I see people are jumping in but I don't know how to see the chat. So there's that. There's Bob. Bob, how you doing? Looks like we're getting a couple people in here. This is a random quick update and pretty much explanation. Explanation is a good one. We're pretty much remodeling my garage and hey David, how you doing? London. It's got to be like midnight or something out there. So we're pretty much remodeling the garage. We're going to turn it into a much nicer area but most of all a new 3D printing space. Nice. And this area behind me and I'm going to change the camera in a second but this whole area behind me is going to be all, let's see, that area right there is all going to be 3D printing space. So a new work area per se for 3D printing. So I've been busting my butt along with some really good friends of mine and my wife and redoing my whole garage and I kind of have everything piled in the center right now. And that whole space there is going to be all new 3D printing area. We're going to put a new ceiling in and redo this whole thing and climate control it. But what's going to be cool is it's kind of a mess right now because we've been working nonstop. But hey, Willie, how you doing? So but we've been working nonstop so all those new bins, Damien, how you doing? Are actually going to go on new shelving and the new shelving I just, we just put all the walls in that you see up so far. We got this side painted and I just built all these shelves here and my wife is priming them. We're going to paint them. And then I'm going to put the decking on which is still over there and once I do all that I can move stuff and do that wall. But this whole wall here we just did and all the new electrical and we're going to work on the ceiling here probably next weekend I'm guessing. But this as from what you can see right here which is a good chunk of space there is all going to be dedicated to my 3D printing. So that is what we've been doing. That's why I haven't put out a ton of videos lately because we've been really working hard on the garage and new 3D printing space, the shop and it's going to be awesome. So thought I'd do an update. I know I haven't put out a ton of videos here in the last week or two. We've been trying to plan for this, trying to get it ready. I tore it all out and there was nothing but studs and we rewired the whole garage. And right now it is pouring rain outside. And there's a wall we still haven't finished because the new electric needs to go in here. But Willie did you ever get to where were you going to go? You're going to go buy some or maybe potentially buy some 3D printers. I'm not sure if you're still on. I got to email you about that I forgot. But like I said, I wanted to do a quick update. That's the reason why I haven't done a ton of new videos. I got some really cool stuff I do need to film, some more TH3D stuff. And I also have, let's see if I can flip this around here. So I have some more TH3D stuff I've got to film and some more cool stuff coming from them. I also got in the mail something new and it might be a new setup for an extruder. Not using a Bowdoin tube, which will be awesome. Hello. It's all shaky, see, jeesh, more caffeine. But so I got to film that and I got to film, I got to get on my C-M-E-C-N-C stuff too. I got a Rostock Max V4 is what I have and I need to get my videos going on those too. The bench I have downstairs is actually too tall for the ceiling and it's hard to film with that. So this is going to be much nicer in here. But yeah, that's why I haven't done a lot of videos lately. I've been trying to keep them out but we're trying to get this space done because I really want to get in here and start using it. So I'm going to do a full enclosure. I know that for sure so everything, all my printers will be fully enclosed. And so what I'm thinking is doing a, as you can see here, all my smaller printers underneath a full-size workbench so you can work on top of them enclosed. And then my bigger printers, I'll raise it up and we'll have a raised area here. And then in the corner, I'm thinking about, depending on how much space I have, I might do a desk and or something there, put a computer and start working. And I believe I'm going to do a filament cabinet so we can keep all our filament in here. I am outside, I'm in the garage, it's not attached to the house. So I've got to watch the climate but yeah. So what would you guys add, let me flip this around. So if you guys had a 3D printing space or if you do have a 3D printing space, what would you add to it? What would you do to make it different or what would you do to make it awesome for 3D printing? If you had a space or you know, you were going to build a space, maybe you already have something that's awesome that I don't know, shoot in the, I wonder if you do this, shoot it in the, that's not going to work. Here we go, let me get it back over here. Shoot it in the comments, if you have something that more space, yes, if you had something that you would put in a shop or maybe you want to put in a shop, if you had a shop to put it in and have any ideas at all. Like I said, I'm going to do a fully enclosed workbench so all my printers will be underneath and then there will be a workbench above them so I can work on stuff and then I'm also going to try to have them all on sliders so each printer I can just pull out one by one and work on and then slide it back into the cabinet which will be pretty cool but what do you think? What would you add? What would you do besides more space? More space is good, that's why I'm doing this because I needed more space. And Bob, I think I saw a comment on you, it flashed real quick on my phone but the nanopolymer you said is awesome. That stuff is awesome, yeah that nanopolymer is amazing. The workbench, it'll be fun to build but it'll be awesome when it's done. I didn't think about vibration from sliders, that's a good point, good point.  Hey maybe I'll do that, maybe I'll set up some cameras when I'm building this or maybe I'll even do some live streams when I'm actually getting into the 3D printing area because I haven't done much live stream in here just because we've been doing everything else, putting walls up, we insulated it, we have not, as you can see above me, we have not done the ceiling yet so we are going to reinforce the ceiling and then we're going to put a ceiling in and then we're going to insulate that. This rack behind me I built last night and I finished it this morning so as you can see it's a huge storage rack and it's going to put these bins on it so it'll be all nice and uniform and we just didn't have a ton, the way the garage here was organized when we bought it, it wasn't finished at all and it did not have really any organization so we decided to do it ourselves and it's going to be awesome. I was going to do a big shed, a 3D printing shed and run a power out to it but then we decided you know we'd rather just do it in the garage and make the garage really nice. So it'll be awesome as far as work space we're going to have a lot of that. So let me flip this around here. So with the exception of the ladders and the bins, this whole area, let's see if I can get a better view of it, so that whole area over there will all be 3D printing space. So from the electrical outlets you see here all the way to that wall will be 3D printing space and it's huge, it's a big area there and I'll give you an idea. The window there is 48 inches wide so that kind of gives you an idea of space there. But we're going to put new windows in. As you can see I put a ton of power, there's 6 outlets just in that area alone and then I put power all over but I definitely, well maybe I'll do that, maybe I'll make a video about building the cabinet, that'll be cool. Anything else? What would you guys put in your space? Oh, my camera went dark all of a sudden. I'm going to do some organization up top, maybe bins and hanging space so I can put, you know, why is it so dark all of a sudden, jeesh. So I can put, you know, organize, if I can talk, so I can organize, you know, parts and anything I need really. What would you guys do? There we go, man it's really raining outside. Maybe to wash all the sawdust off that I created. Let's see, good afternoon Christopher, ooh a wet bar, I like it, you know I have a bar in my basement but I may do something out here for that as well. We're in the midst of remodeling so this is about, now that wall, it's only about half the wall so we got another half a wall and then we have the whole unfinished wall down there too. So hey you never know, wet bar is good. Chris Travis, we are in Wisconsin you know, yeah that's a true story. Robert, how you doing? We were just, I was just walking through the new 3D printing space. It's in my garage here, we're going to make a pretty good size 3D printing area, I got to see how much rain is coming in here, ah it's not that bad. It's really raining, as you can see maybe and I have my garage door open to make sure everything's not getting wet but yes, if anything, if I don't have an actual wet bar, I'll have a mini fridge or a fridge in here either way. So I'm thinking about, you know I'm just throwing stuff out there because I really want to make this a cool space but I'm thinking about doing a filament cabinet so I can store filament in here like he said we're in Wisconsin so you never know what the weather's going to be so what I'm thinking about doing is, wow I'm bouncy on this, is doing a filament cabinet like a dry box you know but a big one so I can I can display the filament and maybe even have a lazy Susan in there, have it lined up on the lazy Susan and you know be able to like spin it around and grab your filament out of there all the colors showing and I'm just throwing ideas off the top of my head here, let's see, I think I saw some, yes a heater and an air conditioner for sure. Hey Chris, how you doing? More lighting, definitely that's coming so currently we're really only looking at that light up there but I'm going to, it garage-wise I'll probably have three or four more of those but I'm also going to bring in, when I film I'll bring in my light boxes and my goal is to be able to hang my light boxes from the ceiling and then pull them down and maneuver them where I need to maneuver them from. A heater and an air conditioner like I said awesome and so my plan on that is I'm either going to do one of the ones that go on the go on the ceiling or on the wall I mean and I'll do it like up above the there or I will do some sort of combo unit I'm not sure we could do forced heat which would be easy because I have gas in the house so we could run that out and do heat that way but air conditioning keeps the humidity out too so I need to do that and that just might be, I could do something as easy as throwing one in the window when I need it. How many printers do I plan to run? Great question, currently how many do I have? Currently I have three, we donated one recently so currently I have three but I plan to have some more coming. Under five probably I want to play with a CR-10 or a CR-10 as pro so I can get some videos out on those even though I know they're older printers but a lot of people have them and I had people asking me about them. What else? Yes, I did so we insulated all the walls. We insulated all the walls already so anything like behind me that has a wall, let me switch cameras here. So any of these walls here are insulated and then when we get the roof reinforced we're putting a ceiling in and we're going to insulate up there too. So we're going to make sure this thing is dang insulated and I'm going to do some new garage doors when we're done to make sure those are good because these are really old and falling apart. Yeah, pig board for tool storage, good idea. Definitely looking into that, paying some tools up and maybe even some trays but like Robert asked how many do I plan to run? I plan to run as many as I can get in the cabinets. We'll find out. So my Rostock Max 4 is a pretty tall printer so that area of the enclosed cabinet has got to be about 48 inches so about 4 feet tall to make it even work inside and be fully enclosed. Yeah, exactly, all of them, Willie. What's up, Brian? So we're just looking at my garage, looking at space that I'm in the middle of creating for 3D printing. So the idea is once I get some of this crap that's in the center here up onto this storage that I just got done, I will clean out a lot of this spot and I can start working on the other parts of the garage like that part that's not finished, corner over there that's not finished and then most importantly that whole area I can get down here. So about this whole area here is all going to be 3D printed or 3D printing space so where I should be able to film, where I can do my printing, all that stuff. Yeah, I got a good idea of networking for internet. Cleaning up around the house, me too, let's see, I literally spent all weekend out here unless I went to sleep but that's it. So there's a lot of work already, I'm just making sure I didn't miss anything. Stereo system, yes. Chris Travis, I actually own a DJ company, an entertainment company. So I have three total systems so that will be good. I had some friends say put some speakers in the ceiling but I have a little bigger speakers they won't fit in the ceiling. So we'll make sure that there's a stereo out here for sure. Film for internet, yes for sure. Slide rollers on your machines so they can slide out, yep. I was talking about that earlier, that's exactly what I want to do, I want to put basically some heavy duty probably like toolbox sliders on and that way each machine sits on a slider or at least on a platform that all slides out and I'd rather do it independent so if one is printing, I don't have to pull them both out. 24 inch slides on Amazon, they're amazing. Hey if you have that link, shoot them to my email, Jim at theedgeoftech.com. That will be awesome, I'd love to see those because once we get rolling it's going to be sweet and I think it'll be awesome to be able to slide them out one by one so if I need to change filament or work on one I can just slide one out. Yes, I got that in the mail, I don't think I responded, I just saw the email about 10 well right before I came out here I looked through my emails. I have literally been out here all weekend so I haven't been looking at emails or anything yet. Yes, Chris Travis, that is exactly what we're doing, we're making a studio in the garage for videos, for all my printing, all that stuff. And Matt, thank you so much for that, I can't wait for, I can't wait to get that on there and give it a try, I'm hoping, I'm really hoping to get that done in the next week or two, I hope that's okay. I'd love to do it out here, I'd love to be able to do it out here because I think it'll be much better but I don't know if I'm going to, how long I want to wait to do that video. So for those of you who don't know, Matt or Matthew in the chat that was talking about he sent me a direct drive kit, I alluded to that earlier, I got a direct drive kit in the mail, Matt sent it directly to me, Matthew did, I'm not sure if he goes by Matt or Matthew but I'll say Matthew because that's a screen name. And yes, that would be cool, I didn't think about the logo on the wall but now I'm going to do that. Anyways, so that's a video that's coming up, he sent the direct drive kit for the Ender 3, I believe it works on other, Matt you can correct me on that, it could work on some other printers as well, but I know it works on the Ender 3, I'm trying to see my chats there. And we're going to change one of them over to direct drive which will be awesome. And I think that direct drive will go really good with something else I have coming from TH Streetie soon. So that'll be a fun thing. Ender 5 has a different kit but almost all the Creality machines, nice. I did, like I said, I got the kit, it is still in the packaging it came in, I didn't even get time to open it yet this weekend. So I'm hoping to do that pretty quick. I know we are leaving soon, we're going to go to my in-laws house to celebrate a late birthday with my wife and with them for Memorial Day and thank you. Alright, let's see, what else? Yeah, see you later Brian. So I will, my plan is I want an Ender 5, I want a one for a long time, I can't wait to get one. And also a CR-10 style machine, the CR-10 Max, I don't know if you guys see that now.  And I'm hoping I can get one of those to do some videos on and if you have an idea let me know. I don't know if Willie is still on but I got to email him, see if I can get myself one of the CR-10 machines that he was talking about the other day on his channel. Oh you don't like that, hey Jake, nice. I can't wait to get an Ender 5, I'm not worth the extra, it's just something about it, something about it. I've seen some sweet prints, CR-10 S5 is a monster, yes. I think that's 500x500x500 or something like that. But I do have to get flying, we've got to get to my in-laws, we're going to do some dinner and celebrate, oh no, that's funny Matthew, oh man. Not sure what you did but that's hilarious. Well if you want to get rid of it, email me, yes. See I think that'd be the only downfall with the Ender 5 for me, if I put it in this cabinet that I'm talking about that won't be able to be worked on unless I slide it out, yes. I think people like the CR-X, there's nothing wrong with the CR-X. Thank you, I appreciate the link but I do got to get flying in the comments below or in the comments you're leaving now. Anything you guys would add to your shop space, if you're creating a whole new space for your 3D printing or 3D printing related area, put it in there. Let me know what you would add, I'm looking for ideas to add to mind. Extra garage insurance, I'm going to have to do that, yes.  Beer taps, beer taps is a good one. We will have a fridge out here no matter what, I don't know if we'll do, we have a bar down in the basement and we're going to have a pergola or we're going to have a pergola with a bar on the patio so I'm not sure if I can add that but you know what, I could probably do like a K-Gerator in here. An alarm system is a must and I already have a ton of cameras, I already have a bunch of cameras up but there will be more cameras installed.  Raspberry Pi Rack, I will definitely be doing that. That's a cool idea. Like a little rack with all of them on there and run one for each machine. That's a pretty sweet idea, I like that. Coffee machine in my, if I do all that I'm never going to have to leave the house. But anyways, throw your comments in below or keep commenting. I got to get going, we got to go do some dinner. You guys have a great night. I'm sorry I didn't have a ton of videos out lately but if you check out the coax video I did a tour of coax. I threw a video out there today. There is a 15% off discount code. Right now I think you have to, I think you have to spend $49.99 or something like that which is like two basically two or three spools depending on what you get and then they'll do 15% off and I know if it's over 50 bucks they do $5 shipping anywhere in the US. I'm not sure about outside the US but I know in the US they do $5 shipping flat rate which is great. Yes, thank you. I appreciate that and if you want to get rid of your under five let me know. I'm just joking. Thank you guys. You have a great night. We will see you soon. I got some more videos coming up and I'm going to try to do some more of this when we're actually building the 3D printing area. Maybe I'll do some live streaming or at least film it to put some videos in it. Someone asked me to do a video about building that cabinet so maybe we'll even do that. But you guys have a great night. Thank you so much and we'll see you next time. Later.


If Reality Check Radio enriches your day in life, support us to keep bringing you the content, voices, perspectives and the dose of reality you won't get anywhere else. Visit www.realitycheck.radio forward slash donate. Simon Laska is a seasoned campaigner and David Farat is a polling expert. Today they're joining me for a panel discussion about Labour leader Chris Hipkins and what the Labour Party needs to do to become relevant again. Simon and David are both on the line now let's get cracking. Okay so we've got a first here for the crunch, a panel discussion. With me is Simon Laske. Welcome Simon. Good day Cam.  And then we've got David Farah who's a polling genius and a political tragic as well. Welcome David. Good to be here. Right, so let's just kick this discussion off a little bit with the little contra-toms that occurred between Christopher Hipkins and Winston Peters. David, I'll go to you first. What are your thoughts on that in-anity? That's the way I see it from Hipkins. What do you think? My constant advice to all MPs, let alone leaders from what you call the two major parties is never pick a fight with the small party because it's great for them and it's terrible for you. You're meant to be the alternate Prime Minister taking on the major party of government and if you're trading insults with the party on 6% well that's not going to get you back into government is just going to make people think well maybe you're a 6% party too. I mean, you know, Hipkins didn't do well out of that engagement. He put out a press release called Winston Peters a drunk uncle and Winston Peters slammed him back and said you can talk, you'd get drunk on a wine biscuit. I mean, how do you recover from that? Well, you just go quiet and move on basically because it's one of these things where you think, oh, it's a great scandal. Winston's used some rhetoric which I don't like, et cetera. But look, voters care about inflation, schools, hospitals.  Simon, what are your thoughts on that? Oh, yeah, we always backfarer as judgment because he's got the numbers and we're guessing. But yeah, I would have exactly the same advice. Ignore Winston, come out with a policy and if you're getting to trouble, have a dead cat to throw on the table.   This fighting Winston isn't going to win you the next election. I can't remember a politician who's ever got one over Winston when it comes to verbal entanglements. There isn't one that I can remember. Possibly Longie in his day. Maybe. But it would probably a draw, really, to be fair. So is this symptomatic, though, of where Labour is at that they're chasing parked cars or any passing car to see if they can get some traction on anything? Is that where they're at at the moment, Simon? I just don't think they've got a strategy. The strategy isn't particularly complex. They've got to work out a way to get to 61 seats in the next parliament. And, you know, I think if you said to Hipkins, mate, how are you going to get to 61 seats? He wouldn't know. And I don't think anyone in Labour would really know. And I think it's pretty obvious and you'll correct me if I'm wrong, Farah. 61 seats for the centre-left probably includes the Greens and the Maurits. And that really puts Labour in a position where they've got to work out whether they want to seed some ground to the Greens and to the Maori Party and take votes off the right or whether they want to scrap over a small number of votes on the left. And I don't think they've actually worked that one out either. No, look, they haven't got a strategy or not an apparent one yet. And there's two big things I think they've been doing wrong. And to be fair, they're not the only opposition that does this wrong. The first thing is no humility. They had the biggest decline in support of any government in history. Tupahi system. They went from 50 to was it three six, three seven percent? That's massive. But Hipkins says, oh, I can't think of anything we do differently. Then else when you all the time are taking national for repealing the policies that national vowed to repeal. And these are the very policies. What is why national won the election because they are unpopular? So you need to be actually going a bit quiet for your first six, nine months in opposition. You need to be listening. You need to work out what you did wrong and not just to continue. We were right on everything. You know, the people are wrong. I mean, we had great Robertson come out and saying he wishes he'd borrowed more. I mean, just on the weekend, that's what he came out with. That is his final statement and probably his last media appearance. I wish I'd borrowed more.  Absolutely unfit to be a finance minister. Probably the worst finance minister since Arnold Normayer. But maybe even worse than that, because the legacy of his debt is yet to be realized. And they haven't even said sorry. It's like Elton John Song. Sorry seems to be the hardest word. Politicians can't seem to say sorry for the mistakes they've made. Yeah, even if there's a disagreement over your policy, the fact is on some of their major pledges, Kiwi Bill, they made two percent of their target on a Belgian trees, funded four percent electric cars, 15 percent and zero percent for Dunedin Hospital Rebuild. And like rail zero percent never hear them say where we had good ideas. They might think that we didn't do well enough in delivering. They just say, oh, it's covid's fault. Well, I mean, that's the funny thing about delivery, isn't it? Member Jacinda Ardern said that this year is the year of delivery. Well, I must have been stillborn. Well, I thank you for that because that's why actually encourage me to at the end of the year of delivery, look at how labor were tracking against their promises. And it became so popular. I now do that every year. And I've just done those steps. You just heard, I've just published that we can now look at their entire six years in office and again, Jacinda, she promised the two big things were climate change and child poverty while kids and material hardship went up slightly and greenhouse gas emissions went up. And these were the centre of her political being. And then you mentioned about and Simon mentioned you need to be able to count to get to 61 seats in Parliament. And you can't get there without the Greens and the Maori Party, both of which seem to have gone completely crazy. Yeah, and look, Labour do is a tough decision they have to make because you don't just want to be in government. You do want to be like in government with a decent proportion of the vote. And they have lost a lot of Maori votes to party Maori and they've lost the youth boat quite convincingly to the Greens. And they have to either say, as Simon said, do we try and get back back? Which will be really hard because how do you out radical?  So that's not a good strategy. They do have to go for the centre vote aim for that. But their worry is, well, if we don't get our votes back from the two more left parties, we are a main a pahe in the 20s. Even if, you know, they gain 3 percent, they're still going to be on 29 percent.  Isn't it best they just ignore the Greens and the Maori Party and that support that went in the last election because they couldn't bring themselves to vote in New Zealand First Act or National will just naturally drift back there. And so you're better off just to focus on, you know, to want for want of a better term, the enemy, which is the three governing parties. Yeah, you also need to work out what their brand is. I did laugh on election night when Chris Hipkins said, you know, we still remain the party of the worker because actually National got more votes from blue collar voters according to exit polls I've seen than Labour did. And that's not new. This is actually happening around the world. So they're not the party of the working class anymore. Are they going to be the party of, you know, university elites or the party of urban progressives, etc.  Simon, what's your thoughts on that? I just constantly think about what Tony Abbott did in 2010, and he was their third leader in the first term of opposition and he nearly won. And what would Tony Abbott do? I'm pretty sure Tony Abbott would have one look at what's going on and go and have a chat to the Greens and the Marys and say, you guys get on with it, we're going to leave you alone and we're going to bash the crap out of the governing parties and we'd like your help. We can ordinate, but that's our game plan. We are just going to absolutely hammer the hell out of the government and make Chris Luxon look really, really, really bad. And we're going to try and make Act look bad. And we're probably going to leave Winston because we might just need him, even though we're saying we don't.  And so, mate, I got that one wrong, didn't I? And that would make it easy to get to 61. But obviously, he is too thick to do that. But it is, you know, Farah, what do you reckon Abbott would do if he was running Labour here? Well, Abbott was probably the most effective opposition leader we've seen. He just focused on the government mercilessly and totally out of favour with the media and the elites. But as you say, he almost did it. And then, of course, he did win the time after. So he did couple of things. One was he was true to himself. He never pretended to be anything he isn't. And he ran very good campaign against the government. Of course, the government gave them, you know, are they were infighting themselves so much? So no great surprise there. I think the Labour does rather than rather, of course, they need to attack the government. They also do need to, though, be doing what you call the sort of listening thing, which is what did we do wrong? What do people want from us, et cetera? Not the sort of, you know, almost arrogance. You know, there's nothing we would have done differently. They're not going to do that until they get a change of leader. And it was because I'll make a prediction right now. Labour will muddle along until they change their leader. And then they'll get this new leader who will announce to us with great gravitas as he does it. I'm going to go on a tour around the provinces and I'm going to listen to what people say. They all do it every single time. It's ridiculous. They should be doing it anyway when they do there. They're usually Thursday little trips around the country. But they're going to say that, but they're going to waste heaps of time getting there. And the reason I think that they're going to waste heaps of time getting to that point is that right now they probably can't afford any polling. And so they've got no information other than public polling that's out there.  But those bastards should go and raise the money and get some proper polling.  But they've always been bludgers, haven't they?  And the National Party goes and pays for its polling. You see, I disagree a little bit with what Farrah said about going out and listening, I don't think that you learn anywhere near as much as listening as if you'd spend a whole heap of money on proper research. So lots of polling and lots of focus groups and focus groups are really expensive. But they tell you what the target voters think. And what the regression analysis fair would you include that? If you were, you know, if someone come and said, Pinko, mate, we want you to do all the research for labour that you can. What's your budget and gave you a free hand? What would you do? You'd do polling focus groups. Would you do the regression analysis as well? Yeah, absolutely. The regression analysis is what helps tell you what actually moves the party vote. It's almost the most important part of that. So you're not guessing. And the focus groups are why you do the listening thing isn't so much as an alternative to focus groups, because in focus groups, you can really get into the detail. But it's showing a bit of humility. And if you have a new leader, especially it's a chance to introduce them. People are interested in the new leader, et cetera. So it's not that you're going to sit down and analyze the feedback from 50 public meetings. But it's allowing you to get a bit in touch with the community. In Wellington, people get so out of touch, they think everyone is urban liberal. So part of the reason you do over Tua is actually to talk to normal people. But that's why you do the focus groups, too, because they're the ones where you don't just find out what people say on the surface, but you get underneath the why. Why do people feel this? You know, this might be a top tier issue, but is it a second tier issue that they're really concerned about, like law and all that? So I'm listening to what I'm hearing in the back channels and to find out how serious I need to take labor. And until they do this detailed research and spend some money and until they fundraise, I'm not taking on that seriously. In the same way that Farah, you told me in 2002 when National got a hiding, their polling budget increased. And then in 2017, it went down to almost nothing. And now, like, you know, National were just useless because they didn't have the numbers. And I mean, I'm pitching for Talbot Mills. They need to go and get a whole lot of money to Talbot Mills to get them to do the necessary work. And what I'm hearing is they're not paying Talbot Mills anything.  Yeah, look, I haven't heard that. And obviously I've a financial interest in this, but the analogy I use is doing good research is making sure the money you spend on ammo is hitting the right targets, because if you don't understand what's going to shift voters, then all your other spend can be an absolute waste. There's no even that.  The example I always give was the poll Lord Ashcroft did of the Conservatives under Michael Howard's leadership, where he asked people, what do you think of the Conservatives immigration policy? And around 69 percent of people loved it. But in another poll, when they were told it's the Conservatives immigration policy, only 40 percent of people loved it. So what they told you was their brand was so terrible that doesn't matter how many good ideas they came up with, they weren't going to win. And that's the point at which you say what we need to change leaders are brand is too tied to a non-popular leader. It's like David Cunliffe, when he was the leader, they came out with these, you know, vote positive billboards that didn't mean anything. Vote positive. What does that mean? And it was everywhere in the sort of trying to justify it.  All of a sudden comes clear that they were hand in glove with each other.  Got a majority on the night, I recall. Yeah, you know, because I live in way out of big cities and now live in the country. And most people don't know who Nicky Harger is. They certainly don't know who the three of us are.  You know, they sort of look up, do I like that person? Are they going to do anything for me? And if not, well, they've probably lost interest. And, you know, I think that Jacinda showed that they looked up and said, yeah, I do like you. And, you know, that made a difference. But the previous leaders hadn't. And that's something that I don't think that the people in Wellington, as as Farrah has just said, you know, the liberal elite in Wellington who think everyone's a trendy urban liberal, well, they're just not. You know, the people I run into, I have a role in Hawkes Bay. I never talk politics unless someone brings it up with me. And it's very rare for anyone to bring it up with me. They all know what I do, but they're just not very interested. And that's the baseline that you've got to work with. People who really don't care and are not that interested in them. Well, do I like them? Are they competent? Will they do anything for me? And I don't know that they could answer those questions. Yeah, in terms of this of what you call normal person, I always used to rely on good friends of mine who were parents. And it's what they talk about at school pick up and drop off. It used to be what they talk about in the smoking room. And again, since I've become a parent and do the school pick ups and drop offs, people, a lot of people know I'm in politics, do polling, blogging, etc. 99% of the conversations are never about politics. Occasionally something comes up where people are talking about like the accommodation allowance we saw recently. And that's how I know when it's got cut through is when normal people actually start talking about it. But, you know, 99% of them want to talk about the playground, the weather, how your day went, not, you know, GCSB or paying or. Is it is part of Labour's problem, really, that at the moment, they literally are chasing every passing car and attaching themselves to complex political issues with simplistic arguments. A good example would be a referendum on Maori wards. I know I can almost predict what Labour is going to do there. They're going to say that this is anti-democratic, that the government is not is racist and trying to get rid of them, all that sort of stuff. Is this that out of touch nature of the Labour Party now that they just don't actually understand what ordinary people think about these things? Well, they can't read because they've got to be able to read previous referendum results. I think there's been one successful one and that was in Wairoa where the population was 58% Maori. Yeah, so they're just not very smart. But but I think the problem on the complex issues is they haven't actually sat down and thought about how the complex issues fit into their strategy and what people are hearing when they start going on about, you know, like the the referendum on Maori wards is a good example. If they go too far on on taking the side of anti-democratic Maori wards by rights, that's going to piss off a lot of New Zealanders and it will cost them votes.  I mean, for how long have they been going on about a capital gains tax and naval gazing over that? And it's just not going to happen. And more importantly, I mean, I don't know. Anyone that's come and told me they want a capital gains tax. I heard plenty of people say, who do I give money to to stop one? Yeah, I was going to say, I don't want one. They want them to propose one because as a former co-founder of Tax Files Union, let me tell you that it really gets people worked up. But I'm sure that Act National and New Zealand first raised vast amounts of money on on stopping the capital gains tax. But, you know, like you go to a school in Hawke's Bay for the school pick up and no one is talking about the capital gains tax. And, you know, why would you spend time talking about that rather than just saying that, no, we're not going to talk about that. That's just nonsense. Let's not talk about dumb stuff and talk about, you know, what is the defining issue of our times? And for probably it's got to have something to do with with cost of living and cost of living in New Zealand is really linked to excessive regulation that makes everything way too expensive to do. So cost of living is really cost of housing. And that's the regulatory environment. How would they solve it? Well, Kiwi Booth was a complete disaster because they pack a useless student unionist arguing about stuff. You know, they needed to fix the planning system and free up a whole lot of land and build a whole lot of houses. And they couldn't get the head around that. But it was as Phil Twyford did, but he then didn't implement his own policy. He said, we need to get rid of the rural, urban boundary in Auckland. New Zealand initiative. Others all chaired on product of the commission said that artificially, you know, multiplies it and they go into government and then they dropped it. Just I just it staggers me that people took Phil Twyford seriously at any point.   And Twyford was terrible at it.  Really? Well, what did you do? What is it, two percent? Or that you found, David, on KiwiBuild, two percent of the one that maybe if we've been generous, yeah, two point one.  They said they were going to deliver 10,000 houses a year. Oh, yeah, 10,000 houses a year for 10 years. Well, they had six years. Where are the houses?  And well, that changed, didn't it, because everything became expensive. So how do you do that? You came to about barking at every car. It does happen to more than one part in opposition. And we saw national do it multiple times. Yeah. And there's two reasons for it. One is you think whatever is the issue of the day in parliament and the house is actually important to people. So you throw out your strategy of we want to talk about education health. But the other thing is the media do play a bit of a role in this and that they come to you on the issue of the day. And unless you incredibly well disciplined, they will take what you say on that issue and ignore what you're trying to talk about. Now, there is a way around that is called discipline. This is again, that across. Luxem did quite well when Labour ministers kept imploding, where he kept saying, I don't want to be talking about them. I want to be talking about cost of living, which at least got across. He's not focused on that. And yet most most part is an opposition. They're just desperate for something that will chunk away at the government. So whatever comes up, you have a go at. But most of them won't work. We're seeing that now, aren't we, with the attacks in the media on Winston for his state of the nation, saying that he's comparing co-governance with Nazi Germany. Winston is certainly laughing. He's laughing his head off at this at the media doing this. And you mentioned that media come at you with the issue of the day. It's their issue that they want raised. It's not the general public's issue that they want raised. And we've seen how out of touch the media are because they're running campaigns now on social media and just getting absolutely slaughtered. Every time we hear about a media company in trouble and shedding jobs, you can hear the echoes along the streets of celebration at their demise. And they're so out of touch, they don't actually realise we don't like them. Well, I did note that the CTU has launched on their campaign site a sort of save our jobs with all the TVNZ stars, et cetera. And what do I take a look at of how many signatures it had so far? And it was at around 700 after 24 hours. And you think saying with all the stars behind it, you would be at 40,000, 50,000, et cetera. But I think that tells you no one likes people losing jobs. But as Liam here pointed out, entire swaths of people in the mining, the gas oil industries have lost their jobs as government have done policies, et cetera. So they don't really see when it's one particular sector that should be held up on a pedestal. Yeah, well, how are they going to rehab? But I mean, I interviewed Michael Bassett and he says that the last government was the worst government in living memory. And even when you push him and try and think about all of the governments in New Zealand, no, worse than all of them. How do you recover from that? How do you rehabilitate your party from the impression where a political tragic like Michael Bassett, who was a Labour minister, thinks that the Labour Party were the worst government ever? And aren't they setting National up to run, you know, remember the black budget type campaign for years and years and years? Yeah, I mean, Labour's problem will be when they take the government on health education stats. Everyone's going to remember how much worse, despite the extra spending under them. Look, there will be a leadership change, and we just have to look at the history of MMP. National in 2002 was in the 20s, and then they changed to Don Brash and they went up to high through his 40s. Labour spent their entire opposition in the 20s and then Jacinda came in and she shot them up to high through his 40s. And National, to be fair, was it? She polling well under Simon Bridges, but then combination of COVID response and his personal favourability. They dropped to through his in 20s and they stayed there pretty much in the 20s until Christopher Luxon came in. And again, if you look at all three of them, it's quite interesting because the three or four who really made a difference were Brash and Key and Jacinda and Luxon. And most of the weren't your typical politicians. Key and Luxon and Brash were also seen as people who made their careers outside politics and were now coming in to serve. Well, Jacinda had a phenomenal communications ability, popularity, et cetera. So, Hipkins will go, no doubt. Probably the replacement sepal only because she's the only one who hasn't been involved in Scandal, who's quite competent and she is the deputy leader. But is she going to be enough of a turnaround to not be associated with the last government? Probably not. So really, it's going to be have they either got a star on the backbench, like Kamala Belich or Irina Williams, or is there something are coming next time who's their potential leader who can get people to look at them again? Simon, what are your thoughts on that? Can they be rehabilitated simply by changing to Kamala Sepal only? Well, I think that if she went and spent a few years or a few months working out what Tony Abbott did and then got out and raised the money to do the proper polling and came up with a nice set of four slogans to Bash National with, I think she has a chance. I just don't think she's got a clue and she won't do it. And what's up and said about some slogans? Yeah, and Winston's usually very good at this. People will remember around three things, Max. Sometimes, you know, pledge cards have five or seven, but really three or four. So you need to, again, do the research, but work out one of the three issues we're going to campaign on for next election and hammer them for two years are not changed them every month, etc. But work it out. Twelve months should be enough to do that. And then make that your brand, that we are the people who are going to fix the school system or, you know, improve the health system, however you do that. But again, the problem is all the stats went backwards under them. So they have to pick ones that have believability. You know, if you say you're going to fix the school system, then I can see National more likely act piping up in the house and saying, what do you mean fix the school system under the school system that you were running? We had attendance levels of 40 percent at schools. And now we've got attendance levels at 75 percent. We've already fixed it. We don't need you. Thanks very much. Just a big problem. They're going to run into those. But I think that if we were running the campaign and for Carmel and she was saying, OK, well, how do we do it? So yeah, look, we got it wrong. Those policies weren't good enough. And we made it sure that a whole lot of poor brown kids missed out on a decent education. Under my watch, that's not going to happen. Far now across the country are going to get educated. And if we've got to punish their parents for not sending their kids to school, we will. And under my watch, all New Zealanders are going to get a great education. May work, but they'll probably end up with a teacher's union going spastic at her and she'll back down and, oh, well, it's not the parents fault that the kids don't go to school. And so all that's just like everyone thinks that kids should go to school and that if they don't, it's the parents fault. Just come out and say, we are cutting off opportunity for poor brown New Zealanders because we don't make sure they get a decent education. And that had recently, but I don't think Labour's got it in them to say it. Well, no, they're more focused on things like accusing the government of being anti-democratic for using urgency when they used it themselves. It's just nonsense.  Yeah, Farah, what do you reckon? Do you reckon 1% of New Zealand would understand what parliamentary urgency is? Oh, it might be 4% or 5%. But yes, it's not a big issue. And as Cam said, Chris Hipkins moved 24 different bills in one motion under urgency as leader of the House. What Simon said, though, is so right. And it goes back to when Simon, of course, has studied hundreds of campaigns professionally. But what Bill Clinton called triangulation, which is you do something which people don't expect from you. They pay attention and it wedges your opponents to. A lot of Labour came out saying, we're going to increase fines for truancy. Nationals suddenly either look weak for not agreeing or they'll say, we'll do it, too. And then they look like they're following. So to get people's attention, you do have to go to something that will surprise people. Same, we now agree with the Greens on a capital gains tax or a wealth tax. Isn't going to surprise anyone. That might get them votes from Greens and Te Pahimari, but it's not going to get them votes in the center. Well, get them votes from Martin Bradbury, Simon Wilson, and Russell Brown. But that's about it. Just not going to work. Cam, I think that there is something that Farrah has mentioned also.  They should have some humility and say, well, maybe we've got some things wrong. Maybe we should have adopted more of a Swedish model. What would we do differently next time? Brother, I know we were great in COVID. You should all just love us because of how great you were.  Well, that's just a lie. Yeah. And we now got a shortage in the health system because they still won't let a whole lot of unvaccinated people back in. And in defense, it's nuts. They could say, look, yeah, that was a mistake. We should reinstate them all. And that would send a message that they reflected and show some humility. And for the life of me, I can't understand now why you wouldn't want guys back in the military just because they didn't have the jab. The military have lost in the High Court and in the Court of Appeal on the mandates that they forced on their staff. And you would have thought they would have given up on doing that. But oh no, they've announced they're now going to the Supreme Court to overturn the Court of Appeal. Well, the chances of that happening are almost zero. I mean, they've categorically lost in the High Court and in the Court of Appeal. But they're still going on. It's like they've forgotten there was a change of government. And Labour have forgotten that they're losing in the Court of Public Opinion because they aren't defending the indefensible. I mean, it went too far. It worked for a while. And pretty much fair, I think I'm right in saying, everywhere in the world, there was a big increase in the polling to the government at the beginning of any COVID response.  You know, I'm not that sick. And we don't need to lock down our whole economy. And where Sweden took a much more pragmatic approach where they didn't get sucked in with models that said, oh, lots of people will die because Swedish people were just a bit sensible and took some responsibility so they didn't kill their economy. And that's something that Labour could come out and say, look, we've got some things wrong. And if there was another pandemic, we would do it differently. I think that's really important because the reality is if there was another pandemic, the social licence has gone. There was no way that people would now accept six weeks under house arrest at home, only able to walk to the beach, et cetera. There's no way people would accept jobs going, employers closing for too much. And most of all, I understand even Labour ministers have now acknowledged this, would we close the schools? The evidence is massive that closing schools was the wrong thing to do because once the kids are out of that education system, it's so hard to get them back. And there's been some great air reviews between states and the US. So yeah, there's some stuff they did very well to be fair during COVID. But what they don't understand is how they're re-evaluating. Sorry, Cam? Yeah, what they did really well was marginalise and demonise people. Yeah. Well, there are other things in terms of we were fortunate that we managed to keep the COVID out when there wasn't, when it was a far more lethal strain. And I think that was very beneficial there. But there's a sentence of the population who feel very aggrieved. They lost their jobs, their livelihoods. And this isn't a one-off for them. And Labour has to find a way to say, here's what we did right, but we do regret this. Because these people aren't going to forget it for one term or two terms. No, forever. We're not going to forget it forever. There's people that are listening to the show be sitting here nodding their head and going, I'm never going to let those guys forget what they did to me, my family, my business, everything else. And especially what was done to Auckland. They've tacitly, quietly admitted the Labour Party that perhaps we locked down Auckland for a bit too long. Instead of actually saying, well, we shouldn't have done that, the anger in Auckland still with the Labour Party for those lockdowns is palpable. And that's the thing that they can easily do while coming back from and being showing some humility to say, look, we got locking down Auckland wrong. And we got locking down Auckland wrong because we decided we wanted to prop up hotels by having quarantine in Auckland, our biggest commercial centre. And New Zealand First policy was to fly them all into army bases or air force bases, have temporary accommodation and have them quarantine there. So if COVID escaped, it didn't cause the biggest economic engine in New Zealand to close. And I mean, from an economic perspective, that makes sense. Because it was costing about a billion dollars a week to close Auckland. But from a straight polling perspective, I'm pretty sure I remember you telling me Farah that Labour, that was at the third lockdown, they've vote just tanked so they were down around what the Greens were getting. And they got it wrong politically, it just killed them. Yeah, I remember complaining to an Auckland friend about the lockdown in Wellington and my friend just went, you only had one, shut the F up. We had five or something. Yeah, I mean, that's the thing. You know, there's never been any critical analysis of the spending that they allowed under all of these COVID provisions. And I'll just give you a couple of examples. There was multi-millions of dollars spent on laptops so that kids could distance learn using Zoom or whatever. They rolled all this out, thousands and thousands and thousands of laptops were going to school kids.  They were given to those people. Where are they? What about the millions of dollars at rack rates that the government was paying to all the motels and hotels around Auckland to run the MIQ? They weren't paying discounted rates for bulk buyout of underutilized resources. They were paying full rack rate. And on top of that, there was restitution clauses to repair all the damage from all the scumbags that were in these places. So, you know, how do they recover from that? Because someone should dig into that stuff and those are golden handcuffs to hang the Labour persistently on over ridiculous, unaccounted forespending. But the Labour Party seems to have this innate ability to say that all spending is good spending. No, they've just got to come out and say, we got some things badly wrong and if it happened again, we would do it differently. Well, this is what we would do differently. And if they don't say, I thought one of the better things the government's done is it's spanned the terms of reference or they can sell him on it for the Royal Commission because the current terms of reference were basically just going to be a once-over, no real scrutiny of government decisions. But what they propose, and I think Brook Van Velden's the lead on this, is to actually ask those hard questions about what went right, wrong, what should we do differently. And Labour, if I were them, would want to come to my own conclusions and get them out with a bit of a mea culpa first rather than wait for the Royal Commission to come out where a lot of people probably won't realise that, Rao, everyone's happy we had a relatively low death toll, et cetera. But the delays in the vaccine roll out when they promised we'd be first in the queue and many, many other things. I think biggest scandal was the testing where they refused to do the saliva testing just because they were on a huff with the company behind it, et cetera. And that could have opened up businesses and universities overnight, basically. So there's going to be, I suspect some pretty damning stuff come out. Well, the banning of ivermectin and other cheap things like vitamin D3 and stuff like that, which has been shown multiple times now in peer-reviewed studies to have been a good prophylactic way to treat COVID-19. Yeah, look, camera's a scandal. I don't think that that's the real big thing because I know you go on about that, but I don't know anyone else that does. And I think that the really big stuff that they got wrong was MIQ in Auckland, the mandates were way too harsh.  So we're all locked down for longer. I mean- But it was someone else's fault. It was someone else's fault. But he was in the midst of a COVID recovery. And I just couldn't believe that they weren't ads when he became Prime Minister.  You can't expect him to run the country. And, you know, just mock him for all his failures, which were many, many-fold by the time he became Prime Minister. Well, you look at all his portfolios that he held. Minister of Police, it went backwards. Minister of Education went backwards. COVID recovery backwards. Everything he did, he is the reverse Midas. He has the literal poo finger. Everything he touched leads a smear of poo on it. And that's just hipkins. But all they've got to replace them, that you guys can come up with is Carmel Sepoloni. Is there anyone else? Well, Kimala Bellach looks the part and that counts for a lot. I don't know whether she's necessarily got the support of the party, which isn't a bad thing. But, you know, Labor found the biggest donkey they possibly could find and put her in Mount Albert and nearly lost it to the Greens. I mean, that is a seat nearly lost it to Melissa Lee. Yeah, it's just useless. And, you know, they really did pick a donkey instead of someone with a bit of talent. And, you know, I don't know that Kimala is that talented, but she certainly looks the part. And you'd think that with her CV being as strong as it is compared to most of the people, you know, it's not as if she was a diversity officer or a university. She's actually a lawyer. Yeah, I guess she was also a diversity officer at her university students. She was the woman's rights officer. But, no, I rate her, but she hasn't held even junior ministerial role. She's an unknown, I think she'll need time and opposition to prove herself. People talk to Karen, and I like Karen. If he won his seat, I think there would be the case to be made. This guy's relatable. He's popular. He's electable. But he got trounced in his seat. And that makes it hard to say the guy who got kicked out of his seat and is now a List MP is the messiah who's going to lead us back because he's so relatable. Yeah, that'd have been... Yeah, well, I just don't know that he actually is that relatable, is he? No, I mean, sure he's got a bit of fight in him. He'd certainly have more fight than Kimala Balich. But, yeah, I just don't rate him. He just... Here's the thing, right? I look at people and they know they're not being filmed, but they are being filmed. They're just comfortable with themselves. And Karen McInerdy, as a guy, walks around with playing pocket billiards. He's always got his hands in his pockets. I'll add that so does Christopher Luxon. It's something he needs to stop doing, right? But my grandfather always says, they never trust a man with his hands on his balls all the time. And he's right.  You've always got your hands in your pockets. You always look like the wreck of the Hesperus. You look at your vehicle. Sure, it's an old ute, but it just looks tatty. Even his beard looks tatty. That might sound petty and childish to say that, but it's the blink test.  We all know if he shaves his beard off, it's all on, or a tidy stuff. Well, he can't really afford to lose any more weight, has he? He's almost got the body of a half-saccharity. So, well, we can't find any realistic leadership things. No, but we can look at some metrics because I don't think that anyone really thought that Tony Abbott, despite being a Rhodes scholar, was going to come in and absolutely smash our brunt so badly that Labor got rid of a rug. I think that it is possible to see someone that is determined to copy Abbott's playbook. And I've already talked about polling. The other thing that I'm looking at is fundraising.  And the budget will start off with research and then it'll be the staff and to get out the vote and just running a good comprehensive campaign, hammering their three or four messages, many slogans. And when the donation returns start coming in, you've got to look for who are the big donors and there probably won't be any because Labor think asking for money is beneath them. The unions, well, the unions don't give much because they're just a bit useless here. It's not like in the US where they fund the Democrats. And you never really know what's going on with the small donors, but you're here in the back room, what's going on with the small donors and it's usually not much. And then people will say, well, Labor can't go and raise money from big donors.  Well, Mike Williams did. Fat Tony was good at shaking down money and they should actually go and give them a call and say, look, how about you and Bob Harvey who were good fundraisers for the Labor Party? How about you to get together and go and raise us half a million dollars to start with? Mike Williams should be able to shake down half a million dollars with about three phone calls. I would have thought so. I mean, I know some of the hardest right businessmen in New Zealand who have huge respect for Fat Tony. I mean, they just love him because while they didn't agree with his politics and they're a bit scared that he's gonna bash them if they did anything wrong. He always got back to them. He always treated them with dignity. He would find stuff out. He managed them properly and he was a great fundraiser. Clark didn't really have any problem with fundraising.  They're not so distant, fast. Stu Nash was able to raise a shitload of money, but he played rugby, drank beer, rooted women. Labor didn't really like him so they didn't use his fundraising abilities. Well, so did Louisa Wall, but they didn't like her either. No, yeah, common theme.  But they should be able to go out and get money. I mean, Farah, you built the tax payers union with a few others. You raised more than the political parties in New Zealand. Most of the time anyway, don't you? And all, well, 80% small dollar donations, too. If you get a brand that you're gonna fight for what you believe in and you actually will get results, people can disagree with you on some stuff, but they'll donate to you for the stuff that they, yeah, see your effect upon. Well, that's a good point. You've got to be visible on issues that mean something to people. And it seems that Labor is not visible on issues that mean things to people. I mean, let's just run through a few of them and let's see what you guys think. Where should their position be on these? Should they be in favor against or indifferent? I mean, I think those are the three things, but then we'll see what Labor actually is. So let's just run through a list. Let's kick off with, well, Palestine. Indifferent. Indifferent, you say. Simon, David, what do you say? Yep, indifferent too. It's not an issue that's going to determine any votes in New Zealand. It will get people worked up who think strongly on one side or the other, but you're not getting people shifting votes on it. And I agree with that. I mean, for most people, I mean, I'm not one of them, but most people think, well, it's over there and it doesn't affect us. So we shouldn't really be talking about this, but Labor and the Greens are donkey deep on one side of that issue. So they're getting that one wrong. What about electric cars? David, you're an EV fan. You've even got one. Yep, and I'm on my second electric car, actually. And look, I do think that climate change, you know, in the polling, it's normally a third-tier issue. Usually 5%, sometimes if it's in the news, 10%. And certainly in Wellington, but we're about unusual, you know, you're seeing a big uptake on electric cars. So it is an issue you need to be out on and have a policy on, but it's not a top-tier issue. It's not like, can I afford to buy groceries? Do I have a good hospital? Do I have a good school? The reality is with electric cars is that traditional Labour voters can't afford them. So it's not an issue that you should be, you know, betting the bank on. Do you agree with that, Simon? Yeah, and not only that, the Economist, and if there's anyone literate in Labour, they should be reading the Economist to find out what's happening in the rest of the world. They had this wonderful article about how the Greens around Europe then vote has fallen away. The more the climate change affects the population, the less votes the Greens get, because the Greens solution is to taxes all more and not to mitigate. And for some reason, voters are sensible and they don't like paying more for stuff that makes a bug or a difference. So they just, well, we're not gonna vote for you. If I was running Labour's campaign, yeah, I think electric cars are okay if you want them, but I'm here to talk about how you put your school lunch in your kids' lunchbox and afford it and can pay down your mortgage or pay your rent. It's not electric cars. It is very, very much an elite income earning issue, whether you can have an electric car, even if you want one, if you're poor, you can't have one because they're too expensive. Well, you touch on global warming there as well.  My anecdotal evidence around ordinary New Zealanders is no one gives us stuff about it. In fact, I always joke that I think people would welcome the ability to grow mangoes and pineapples in their back garden, even in the cargo. I don't know what you ever said about climate change. And he said, when it's a moral issue, we lose on it, when it's an economic issue, we win on it. And to a degree, you saw that with the last Labour government, they took the talk on it, but then after the regional fuel tax didn't prove popular, Jacinda announced that we know more regional fuel taxes ever, ever, ever in my time as Prime Minister because that wasn't popular. And there were a couple of other ones where they backfliped on it. Everyone, you know, wants a good environment and can never concern about the climate. But if your solution is to tax people thousands of dollars more a year so they can't afford, you know, shopping, then that's not gonna be popular. Right, what about mining? And then you're using one in five cows. Yeah, I mean, we all do our bit for climate change by eating steak, don't we? Mining, we all know Labour's position on mining. They don't want it, which is ironic considering they were founded on the West Coast in a mining community. And I think this is one where they need to be indifferent. They're not gonna win any votes from national on mining. They're gonna win votes off the Greens and perhaps the Maori Party and they should be leaving those parties to fight that fight. And they should be taking the fight to national in areas where they can win and they get to that 61 votes in parliament after the 2026 election. And just for the life of me, can't see how getting upset about mining is gonna get them to 61 votes. And what are your... Well, it also goes back to what we were just talking with electric cars. If you do think electric cars are a big part of the future and I do because I believe in markets and I do think that the costs of them will come down over time as you get economies of scale. But you know what? They need lots of parts from mines.  There's absolutely no alternative way around it. There's not substitutes for them. So, you know, you can understand some people can be against coal mining because of greenhouse gases but the people who are zealots who say nothing should ever be dug up out of the ground, well, I guarantee you they have a cell phone and we all know what the cell phones made out of, metals. So, yeah, they should be indifferent at the least on mining. Okay, what about the latest thing that's hit the news where we're hearing lots of wailing from the left about these scumbag statehouse tenants that are housed by the world's worst landlord, I think you dubbed them as or maybe New Zealand's worst landlord, Kaeing Aura. I think it's just the soldier moment.   It's a privilege to get subsidised housing and they don't deserve it. You know, they end up having to spend a few weeks living under a bridge because they can't behave properly. I think most New Zealanders are in favour of them spending that couple of weeks under the bridge so they learn their lesson and I don't think that we should be paying for it. And, you know, Farah talked about Clinton's triangulation. That's another, it's just an opportunity to come down not on the side that they are at the moment but on the other side, we got that one wrong. Just allowing people to behave badly didn't work. We've got to change our policy. It was interesting they've been a bit muted to the government's policy change that's come out. They've just said, well, you need to also look at this.  I think leaving them there is evil. But if you ask, I haven't actually done polling on this because you don't need to but I'd say 80 to 90% of New Zealanders, if you ask them, do you think a state house tenant who constantly terrorises their neighbours should be evicted from their state house? Massive overwhelming support. You probably get quite good support for saying, should these people be taken outside and shot? I mean, it's just how far that average person thinks it is wrong and Labour look wrong on this issue, morally wrong. Scumbags shouldn't get away with being scumbags and they're saying, yes, they should and that's what the average voter is thinking. Labour wants these scumbags to be allowed to be scumbags and it just shouldn't happen.  Which comes down to school lunches then. Labour's on the wrong side of this one too, aren't they? Oh, not so sure on that. I think putting aside the economics of it and also I guess the philosophical point, it is potentially an issue where you can get some cut through with the public because a bit like Apple Pie, do you want your kids to be well fed? Do you want them hungry at school? The case against is a bit more complicated because you have to say, well, actually, though it's the parents' job to do it, you make the problem worse by actually not solving the problem of parents who don't prioritise their kids having food. But I do think on the school lunch is one, there is one where they may get some traction. Farrah, in my memory of the people that objected to the useless parents the most were the hardworking blue-collar parents who were doing their best just to keep their head above water and to look after their kids properly. Is that the case on the school lunches? Like, the three of us are pretty comfortably off. We don't really care one way or another, but if we were doing two jobs and a wife was doing one and the kids had to kick in while they're still at school to help the family out, and they seem to have scumbag neighbours who play spaces all night and send their kids to school without the right uniforms and without lunch and taking just complete bludges, that should be the working people should be the ones that labour are targeting, isn't it? They're the ones... Working class people are probably got the hardest viewed on welfare fraud. Just as the people who are most against the bad-kaila or a resident are the many good ones. They're the ones who suffer the most there. And yes, with school lunches, it does tend to be that the concern comes from people who actually, you know, sort of the liberal elite again because they just see these poor people, we have to... We can't speak them to actually look after their kids. If you're poor, you know, you can't be expected to actually have self-respect and focus on your kids.  Why not school dinners and school breakfasts?  Why shouldn't the state be responsible for feeding every child? Here's a thing that kills the school lunches argument dead in five seconds. Who fed the kids during the lockdowns? There you go. In school holidays. In school holidays, you guys are speechless, right? In school holidays, and in the lockdowns, who fed the kids? Their parents did. Yeah, but I think it depends. It's an interesting philosophical argument. And I tend to come down on the side, as a taxpayer, I'd rather the kids were in school getting educated rather than not in school and behaving badly. And so I'm willing to pay for some of them to have lunch as much as I object to it, I'm willing to. But I think it does, this is where Labor could take a very strong moral stance. So look, we just think this is right or we think it is wrong. We stand for these things and we're going to keep standing for them. But at the moment, I don't know what Hibkin stands for. I mean, that guy, what does he stand for? He stands for not liking Winston, not being that competent. What else? He's been around forever.  Haven't done one lately, would be interested. Okay, last issue, transgender. Okay, I'm going to mention a very, very competent and informative British author called Matt Goodwin, who has all the data on all the issues in Britain saying how far the liberal elites in the luxury belief class are out of touch with people, average voters. And the trans stuff is the prime example where it's something like 80% of Britons don't believe that biological male should be allowed in biological female only spaces. They don't believe that you should be able to change your gender with three months notice, self-identify. And there's so few of them. It's just gone too far and it's really not an issue that is going to win Labour the next election. So just leave it alone. They should be indifferent to it and concentrating on the kitchen table issues and whether we allow men to compete against women and women's sport, just... I just think that's wrong, totally wrong. Yeah, and I think that probably 80% of New Zealand is doing it if you think otherwise. I think, well, you're not fit to be in government if you can't work that out.  I think the trans activists, as I called them, it's been incredibly sad. It's probably the biggest own goal I've seen in community sentiment because up until the last few years where there was the zealotry that you can't have a discussion about, I think most people were very tolerant of trans individuals. Look, I know, I couldn't even count how many I know, but there's some amazing people I know who are trans. I've also met a beautiful Indian woman who told me she was originally a male, et cetera, and she's living her life. No one knows, she doesn't make a fuss about it. She's had the operation done the change. So we had, I think, actually great tolerance. But then when you come out and you say, you must support us on everything. You must support puberty blockers for children. You must support no matter what the sport is or the league. People being able to compete based on their gender identity rather than their sex. When you say you can't debate these issues, the vast majority of people have now just said, oh, well, my attitude's again harder on this. No, stuff you.  You can also accept, though, that if someone's genuinely transgender, like, take example, Georgina Barr, the former MP, lovely person, if she for some reason been sent to prison, you know, I would say, like, it should be wrong to put her into a men's prison. She's been living life as a woman for 40 years. But what it comes down to is you need more flexibility. You need governments in that to be able to say, okay, here's how we'll deal with the situation, but the trans activists all the way up there, if you have any debate on this, we're going to commit suicide. You know, you're threatening our identity, you want to eradicate us, and that's not the case. It's just that there are challenges. So yeah, I just find it incredibly sad and probably the biggest political ongoing goal. Same-sex marriage, which I campaign for, how they got that through was by being tolerant, by saying, you can have your beliefs, but this is about allowing people who love each other to marry? Why would you want to stop that? But on the trans issue, they've gone for such an aggressive lobby, you know, where JK Rowling, you know, is of his death and demonized, and of course it doesn't stop. I mean, the big thing you find out is you have all the people on Twitter saying this is terrible, and then she releases a video game that becomes the biggest selling video game of all time. So sorry, that's me going on about, but yeah, it just pisses me off, actually, how badly this issue's been handled by the activists. See, I was a big fan of gay marriage because I believed not all this hocus-pocus about love and everything else. I just thought everybody deserves a mother-in-law.  Yeah, but Cam, once again, if someone in Labour is taking the time to read and think about these issues, UK Labour maybe six months ago came out and said, look, I think on trans issues, we've gone a little bit too far in favour of inclusion and at the expense of fairness, and we need to edge back towards more fairness. We want to be inclusive, but we've got to be fair, and that means we can't have women's sport being dominated by biological males. Fairness means, yes, you are trans, it's unfortunate, but some things are going to be difficult, and some things are difficult for everyone. We all have problems in our lives, they're just different. So do you want the very, very, very tiny number of biological males that want to compete against women and women, or do you not? And I think that Labour need to ask that question, where is the balance between inclusion and fairness? As you say, it's a balance, like on the sporting issue, you can't have both inclusion and fairness. No, there's a reason, otherwise we wouldn't have male and female competitions, would we? We wouldn't have them, we'd have everybody to compete against each other in our local, first, second and third of men. Yeah. Yeah, there's things such as you just have an open category, but I actually think you can have a more nuanced approach, which is at school community level, I wouldn't have a problem that people play with their gender, I didn't hear as long as it's physically safe, because I actually think if you're a 15, 16 year old, it is really important not to be felt shunned or isolated, but when you get to professional sport, when you get to the Olympics, then I think you have to be very strict on the biological thing. So again, I think you should be able to have a reasonable debate about where you draw the line, but the activist community will say any drawing of the line anywhere is bigoted, and that just turns people off. Okay, we're going to wind up this little discussion that we've had about how screwed Labour is. It was a 30 second summary each of you, to start off with you, David, the 30 second summary on what Labour, you think Labour needs to do to start being credible again. Hipkins should go in around 12 months, 18 months before the election is probably quite good for a new leader. They need to pick the three things they're going to campaign on, start doing the policy work on those, they'll need a signature policy that's exciting, but also isn't typical. Not one you just would normally expect from them, and they need to be disciplined. They need to just focus on the core messages, not keep sniping, not getting into fights with Winston. Simon? You've got to work out how to get to 61 votes. They want to get Tony Abbott's playbook. They want to make sure that they fundraise properly, and they want to spend heavily on research. And when we know that they're doing those things, we'll start taking them seriously. Until then, we'll just think, oh, you guys are probably not going to come back. Yeah, I agree with both of you on that. We need to have a strong opposition, and right now, Labour is not a strong opposition. They're all over the place, as I keep saying, chasing passing cars, and one day they're going to chase a car, and it's going to stop, and they're going to run into the back of it at 100 miles an hour. But we do need a strong opposition. We saw what happens when you have a strong government with a weak opposition, and I don't think we want to repeat of the years between 2020 and 2023. And on that note, guys, I thank you very much for coming on the crunch again, and hopefully the Labour Party will listen to us, but more likely they won't. Always a care. Thanks a lot. Between the three of us in that discussion, there must have been around 90 years of experience in campaigning and polling. Now, I don't think for a second, the Labour Party will ever listen to us, but they should. Let me know your thoughts about my chat with Simon and David by emailing inbox at realitycheck.radio or text to 2057. Thank you for tuning in to RCR, Reality Check Radio. 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Hi, welcome to Nursing School Explained. This video goes into atrial rhythms and specifically into atrial fibrillation. If you haven't already done so, I highly recommend watching my other videos that explain the basic electrophysiology and go into EKG interpretation basics such as how to use the EKG paper, determine the heart rate as well as know the normal intervals and rules to memorize for EKG interpretation so that you can apply them to every rhythm strip that you look at and hopefully get the right interpretation of that rhythm. So atrial fibrillation, also known as AFib, is a pretty common arrhythmia and what we're dealing with are multiple irritable foci in the atria. Remember that every cardiac cell has the property to initiate an impulse and for whatever reason now we have multiple focuses or foci that are irritable in the atria. So they try to take over as the pacemaker of the heart over the SA node. And atrial fibrillation can be acute which means the onset happened less than 48 hours ago. It can be paroxysmal meaning intermittent or it can be chronic lasting longer than one month which also puts the patient at high risk for stroke. You might already know that, so please watch my video on stroke that goes into the details of that. Now in atrial fibrillation the ventricular response can be less than 100 which would make the atrial fibrillation controlled or if it's greater than 100 that would make the atrial fibrillation uncontrolled. Looking at the details here and the principles of EKG rhythm interpretation and the rules we always start by looking at the rate here first. So the rate you can already see we don't have a clearly defined P wave that we are used to seeing we just have these squiggly lines right here in front of or in between these QRS complexes. It's really even hard to determine is this a T wave or is this already a P wave it's very hard to see. And the atrial fibrillation typically the atrial rate is between 4 to 600. The ventricular rate is variable in our case here we have 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 QRS complexes so our rate would be 100 and I know that on the previous slide it said less than 100 is controlled and above it is uncontrolled so in this case I will still call this controlled because 100 is right on the borderline. And then for rhythm regularity point number two it's there's this very distinct characterization called it is irregularly irregular meaning that there is no clear rhyme or reason to this it is just irregular every single QRS has a different distance from the previous one. There might be some similarities here but if we would measure this with calipers these distances what would measure them march them out with the EKG manual EKG drawing method we would basically determine that this is irregularly irregular saying that there's absolutely no shape or form behind this rhythm. Now the P waves in atrial fibrillation they are non identifiable because that we have these fibrillation kind of waves due to these multiple irritable cells in the atria that we can't really identify the P waves and certainly we know that there is more than one P wave for every QRS in these squiggly lines here. Now because looking at number four because the P waves are not really identifiable we can't really measure the PR interval and then the QRS is usually less than 0.10 or 0.12 which would be a normal QRS and so we can look at this here let's find a QRS that starts at a one of the thicker box lines so that would be one two maybe 0.08 for our QRS which makes the QRS normal. Here is another look at this atrial fibrillation again the characterizing factor is the squiggly lines and very irregularly irregular so absolutely no pattern to this rhythm here at all we can't really count the P waves we can't really distinguish the PRI but we know the QRS are normal in length less than 0.12 seconds. Causes for atrial fibrillation are coronary artery disease as well as hypertension or valve disorders such as regurgitations or insufficiencies, congestive heart failure, pulmonary embolus, hypoxia, alcohol and illegal substance intoxication as well as any underlying pulmonary disease such as pulmonary fibrosis, any kind of lung cancer and so forth. Hyperthyroidism also is a disorder where everything speeds up and then the heart can get irritable leading to atrial fibrillation and we know that potassium is very important and can lead to certain dysrhythmias so hypokalemia especially puts the patient at higher risk for atrial fibrillation. Science and symptoms will depend on the rate and duration so if the patient's heart rate is controlled meaning that the ventricular rate is less than 100 the patient most likely will have less symptoms than if it's uncontrolled let's say a rate of 160 that'll be much different and mostly if it's uncontrolled the patient will have more severe symptoms meaning they'll be dizzy or lightheaded they might complain of shortness of breath or anxiety they might faint have a syncopal event complaint of palpitations or feeling like the heart is racing in their chest as well as complain of chest pain or pressure and again in advanced dysrhythmias we have to distinguish between stable and asymptomatic patients as well as symptomatic and unstable patients so if the patient is stable and doesn't have any symptoms we can attempt a vagal maneuver just like in atrial fibrillation atrial flutter and atrial fibrillation are very similar here if we encourage the patient to perform a vagal maneuver by either bearing down or blowing through a straw it increases the pressure in the intrathoracic cavity and stimulates the vagus nerve which is in charge of the parasympathetic nervous system knowing that the parasympathetic nervous system slows everything down we're hoping that by the patient performing this vagal maneuver they will slow down their heart rate and maybe convert back to normal sinus rhythm medications that can be used in atrial fibrillation are any that cause the myocardium to be less irritable or slow down the heart rate very commonly we use calcium channel blockers it's probably the most commonly used medications for atrial fibrillation but beta blockers as well as the joxin and antirhythmics are also common but if the patient is symptomatic or unstable and the definition of unstable usually means that the patient has a change in level of consciousness or is hypotensive then we need to follow acls protocols and that means that the patient may need synchronized cardioversion of course if we find out the patient's atrial fibrillation is due to hypokalemia then we'll certainly need to treat that underlying cause and replenish the the potassium most likely intravenously here are some references and the rhythm strips with good websites that you can refer to also for more practice of restrips and here are my other videos in the ekg interpretation playlist specifically the atrial rhythms also where i'm discussing premature atrial contractions as well as atrial flutter and supraventricular tachycardia thanks for watching nursing school explained please subscribe to my channel give me a thumbs up and i will see you soon