Thank you very much. Five years is not a very long time in computing terms, but in publishing terms, particularly journals, it's a lifetime. So I just want to say thank you very much and happy birthday to the internet velocity review. Well done. And it's a privilege and an honour and a pleasure to be able to give the first few words today. So having ended your introduction, Frédéric, with honouring important Turkish activists, I think that resonates, I hope, with some of the things I want to say today. If you're going to write issues around who you're going to write, what they are, what they're not, that's what keeps me busy. But I'm not going to talk so much specifically about those many, many issues. They kind of fail, I want to say. I'm going to riff off the interview that Frédéric and I did, which is a little old media booklet. I also use old media. I use ink on Dead World. So I'm also using the silicon touch today. So I'm going to refer to, I'm going to talk about the structure agency tension that we're all working in as researchers. Also as activists, if you wish to call ourselves that, or as advocates, as technical experts, as designers, as teachers, as students. And there's always this tension with the structural facets of what we're working with. And we're only writers agency today. How does one really make a difference? Does anyone want to? Okay, so three big statements, just to sort of make three big statements and get them out of the way. Number one, I work with the assumption that policy is political by definition and certainly by preference. So policy making processes and outcomes are inherently about finding out or being engaged in exercising, if not resisting, or repurposing, incumbent and emerging powers. In this case, of course, the internet however defined as our focus. But of course in case of what I tend to use internet now as an adjective rather than a proper noun. So internet media communications, computer networks, digital processes, life, love, call it what you like. What if we want to think about policy and as power is not located of what I like to call mothers as well, the online often nexus of internet design, internet terms of access and use and content, what we now call that data, but content still doesn't matter. And I think those are ways to actually try keep some sort of structure, good structure to what we're trying to do. Now actors include, of course, us, and they include institutions, all these power brokers that we'd like to define and isolate and talk about. But also I think as we know we're all non-human actors. I'm going to talk about two more uses of the word actors. And non-human actors are now including artificial intelligences, bots, you know, infrastructures themselves, arguably non-human actors, internet of things. The transmission highways and byways and cells that affect how we live, what we find out, who we work with, how we get to what we want to know. And everything is now becoming automated. So let me just try and operate this. Right. I'm going to use a bit of artwork here. This is an education gathering. So this is a fair use situation. And I'm going to acknowledge all artists as I can by name. Very exciting artists going on using these technologies in extraordinarily raised things of beauty. I remember that some of these technologies also create things of beauty. This is a wonderful artist we're meeting now. I could talk for 20 minutes just about this piece, but this is a still from one of his exhibits called Reborn Light, Reborn TV. So what I'm trying to say is within my three big statements, how we might define power, whichever discipline you belong to and how you prefer to talk about it, we're also talking about ideas and the subtle emotional dimensions to everyday life that are now mediated by, mediated by, structured through these internet dependent forms of media communications. And I'm going to quote me now about this piece, which actually moves in and out. The dove moves, I will tell you. It's an old television with the projection of the dove that is mowed in and out of this huge, huge container of water, slowly ensuring that as it comes up, the water pours out the bottom. It's quite an extraordinary piece because of course the effect of the light and concrete material objects. And he says, TVs are mostly like computers and humans are similar in their structure. Humans are made up of body and spirit, as is TV and computers, or body, frame and light digital content. In other words, the artist says, if a human body is a vessel for holding spirit, then a TV computer is a vessel for holding light, spirit and mind. So this is my way of giving us a little bit about those kind of possible techno-determinist frameworks. Possible.  So I'll just let you take that engine in it. If you want to think about who these actors or agents or actants are, some people like to order stakeholders. Some of us are forced to use the word stakeholders. Good idea. Most people would that corporations, private actors are being extraordinarily important and they are still extremely dominant form of actors in the internet political world. They also work with, but also as we know, against and in spite of how state actors, governments wish to set the rule books themselves. But this is hardly a new thing to say. I do think that this generation of what we call tech giants has reached a skirm and a level of depth, not unlike our artists work. A depth-ness and a scale that we have yet to actually really understand and we're trying to. If Facebook can boast that two out of seven people are on the planet, on the planet, two out of seven people on this planet are subscribed to Facebook apps and platforms, that's a hell of a lot of people. Okay, that's bigger than any nation's state. I don't think one needs to take notice of that. Even if some of those accounts are dormant, even if some of those accounts are fake news, still two out of seven. So, we've got a really up a level of analysis now right up to the globe. When we talk about internet technologies, we often assume that they just began yesterday. No, they are actually dependent on very old infrastructures, telecommunications, telephone and telegraph. And this may sound old and dusty, but it's extremely powerful when you think about the history of the age of empire. You think about how the British empire, the Dutch empire, the French empire, how they maintain the imperial rule is through communications. So, government states have always had vested interest in being in charge in somewhere or other of these transmission pathways. And it's an engineer who told me, I've been working in engineering school for quite a few years, he said to me, it's all about transmission. And he said, Robert, if you can draw access to the transmission infrastructure, there's a revolution. And where the most revisions go, the TV, the radio are now internet connections. Here's the next one. Oh, this one's back in 99. Telegeography just does great stuff, highly recommended. Seljuk, who's the late Turkish cartoonist, was a joke back then in the early 90s, but I'm too true now, perhaps. And this is from 2011. Facebook writing up the rule to civil elements. That has changed a little bit, become more dense perhaps, but normally I think it's a very, very powerful representation of what has come before, except who owns and controls this particular map. So I have no idea how long I've been talking, Frederic. All right, so you think you're up to date? You're not. We're not even now up to date. This is the tricky part about the era all of us are working in, is the fact it's a fast-moving target, we read about this all the time. But as a computer hacker Barbie reminds us, things are out of date very, very quickly. Highly recommended computer hacker Barbie, fantastic girl. Really you should follow her. But I mean lots of inside jokes there, but you could actually update this for like this week and have us be the butt of the joke. So as I said in the interview, the thing is that complexity is a thing and the system and the context in which we need to begin with our work. And we all know when we do internet research or internet governance research, it's extremely complex. There are many, many topics vying for attention. It's very hard sometimes to talk about, to not try and talk about everything all the time. We have these conversations in the gigamate committee meetings and we know at conferences you can get very, very specific or you can get very, very general. I think the challenge is to keep the two together, to be focused on whether they assume technology or application or practice or platform, you can call it what you like. But also you should remember the historical context and the cultural context in which you're working. Because without context, what you do is meaningless. Because context is everything. Now, when I started way back in the early 90s, there weren't these kinds of aggregator statistics available. I think the ITU had a few kind of sort of tied looking statistics about something called the internet. It was all about telecom. But now you can actually go online to things like the world internet statistics and get a pretty good picture of how things are shifting. As from there, they need to extrapolate your narrative and figure out what's really going on underneath the numbers. But there's just a sort of an indicator of where we can now go to find quite straightforward facts and figures, which not something we're going very difficult to get a hold of in this particular aggregation. At least what I'm concerned, it's always concerned who's in charge or what is in charge. This is from Scharpatt, who's a Swiss cartoonist. He's done a lot of work on this. I think it's a very, very clever, astute understanding of how things are actually healing extraterrestrial. That isn't just about the underground and the undersea cables. There's also a connection. There's a three-dimensional thing going on. The surface of the planet we've got beyond the planet we've got in the middle of the planet we've got undersea is quite extraordinary physical infrastructure that we're all connected into and some of us are incredibly dependent on. And this is where the tensions are between structural agency. The same kind of satellite connections can help a coast guard, the Italian coast guard, or front-ex locate, track and follow boats of desperate people on the Mediterranean. Locate, track and follow boatloads of desperate people on the Mediterranean. Locate, track and follow and watch as desperate boats of people on the Mediterranean die. Whatever your politics might be about refugees and migration, the same technologies that help coast guards locate, track, follow and watch people die can also be used to go over it and to get around the gate keeping piles of these same forces in order to survive these extraordinary journeys. So I'm referring here to other work I can't do. I'm very much confronted with the liberating possibilities but also the oppressive and murderous possibilities of the same, the same networks in fact. Back to Earth. The internet governance forum, oh we love to hate the internet's governance forum.  We'll just talk, no decisions are made. So where are the decisions made? Will they not know the internet governance forum? Because everyone's probably looking at their Facebook page, okay? But that's not the point. If you're interested in the research and trying to figure out processes and trying to understand dynamics, because if policy is politics then the outcome of the policy is not where the politics line. The outcome of the policy is the end of a long, long process. So as a research you might want to think about we're reaching into the process of trying to get a grip on and how much can I extrapolate for the final product? Who knows what he's up to? This is actually in Baku. Anyone who's there? It's when the human rights agenda started to take shape and there was a lot of activity going on around the conference. We were discovered of a user of human rights who was settling off the line. So who knows what he was up to? This is a really key thing for at least the work I do. For the structures, the infrastructures, the applications, the tools, the fascinating technologies that I know are a really important object of research and interest for the review and of course a lot of us in research. It's not actually the internet governance domain however that might be defined or how it might be currently being redefined where social resistance is actually discussed enough. We don't theorise agency enough. I think we should try and think about that a little bit more. Because if those actors and those agents are more human then we've got some very interesting conceptual arguments to be made and we've got some very interesting philosophers and historians of technology to perhaps think such as Andrew Fingberg. Back to Assange. We can't not talk about Assange and I just love this kind of multi-level kind of approach. I actually got that photo and he was speaking here in Istanbul in 2014 but of course we've moved from Assange to fake news. Or is he fake news? Or I mean where do we even start? Somehow we sort of come from a circle to the 90s where everyone was concerned particularly governments about content, about filtering content filters, making sure our children didn't see terrible things, making sure that online pornography was regulated or created enough tax revenue or was stopped being a new relief system or worrying about whether the truth was out there or not. So if people like Assange are keep reminding us just how fragile our understanding of truth and messages and journalism and any kind of story in the academic work is a story, how actual actually fragile it is and how much it's stories is so perhaps the story of changing attitudes and changing spin and changing narratives. There's just a little throw in there. Okay. After all keeping the other civil society, you see I'm doing my three stakeholder groups. Revolutions can be good for business and every revolution has been good for one particular kind of technology and this is the ones that we know I think about from the 2011 uprisings. I think this is both a reflection of despair at the time but this is perhaps a critical moment we need to think about. Revolutions are not caused, revolution will not be digitized, will not be digitized, will not be digitized. Mainly because as Gilsberg here told us, any revolution with CMTV is the result of what has already happened, is not the beginning. So another indication of how physical these networks are, access can be simply cut and of course we need to go in the governments. We're now in a situation where the very extrajudicial forms of online surveillance that Edward Snowden called the world's attention to that put human rights on the agenda in a way no one expected it to be and now become legitimated and made into law. And I think you find this a very disturbing development historically and I think the historical regular show just pollinated that has been to make legal the very okay there are some checks and balances we can discuss that later but in principle making these forms of online surveillance the rule and not the exception. Okay so back to finger because he of course is a theorist of agency in the light of technology but of course again this is not new okay so to argue that online surveillance on a sort of techno level is new is to forget your history as we know from this lovely phone so to speak and people who watch people do fall in love with it objects of surveillance and this is why I find this particular film very very moving because he falls in love with the thing he's watching and he doesn't fall in love too much with the thing we're studying okay because actually you get zero privacy so cynical but so true and the late Casper Bowden would agree however three different three different political reasons okay it's called now the unlawful no because code is as much an idea and law is more than the natural of the law and the rule of the law rule of law is not always good law so when I hear people say rule of law rule of law also get nervous because some rules absolute rubbish I want to get these institutions you know IGF, UN, rubbish we don't care we don't need the UN okay let's move to these other governance institutions like ICANN, IETF all in name they're up here one big happy family we're going to tell the world rule of law the same thing we're going to roll the internet out to the next billion I think that whole thing needs to be pointed out far more acutely even from a very technical point of view it doesn't have to be a philosophical point you can look at it technically and some of you already are and the review has been covering some of these topics this is a very good descriptive model of how the stuff works but have no power analysis in it at all and I'm always interested in analysis and definitions and redefinitions of power as they shift speaking of which, lack of content, lack of censorship, lack of power of silence according to Pope Francis himself I'm under Scottless today even he's been on the internet okay nearly there nearly there that's what I've got to do not everybody's a researcher is engaged in in changing policy agendas not everybody has an internet governance research and needs to be academics and scholars can do their work without having to be set in Baku and Aja Lujan listen to internet governance forums on powers but some of us and many of us many of us in this room are actually engaged as policy activists and advocates we have to balance that kind of scholarly academic standards that we need with our desire to make changes and of course we don't all agree what the changes should be but I do think it is possible to critically engage with internet policy politics as a researcher and to be do political internet policy as an activist it's not easy and you can't do it for everything so I kind of stick to my little corner more by accident in design so to speak it does matter it doesn't matter what knowledge we are producing it doesn't matter how we take that knowledge of scholars to even viewing even our king even the German Dutch from the Parliament it does matter not just us me because we are actually as one she reminds us and we're not sort of deciding we're moving from the state or the corporate sectors we are all deeply engaged with each other we are deeply entangled so it's not suicide versus the state versus corporate it's not like state society but I'm teaching this branch right now or even the corporate society convex it's a completely disingenuous argument that these three categories are completely separate they're just a community of four or five access where you actually give yourself our corrects of access to some sort of basis and we see that our excitement a simple bullet that's why I love to do corporate theory a simple bullet articulating our human rights principles for internet that's what this is about just particularly whenever for internet to approach young people are enjoying the soil in Brazil and just the joy of it is to see anywhere away which can be saying something about the things that they're concerned about and they're just reminding me actually it's kind of one of great meetings but the most important is the whole objective of research engagement here are these sorts of initiatives themselves even if they stay quite high they're actually technically not detailed but some of the experts are not really enough detailed for some of the streams that are already out of date to me that's not the point the point is that finally the narrative of society get connected and the identity of itself is narrative and human rights is also a narrative the history of human rights is one of the biggest narratives and that's not a problematic one and that's where my activism sticks into place I think now there's an academic particular for all sorts of human rights political institution you know the human rights so yesterday and an activist all along it's not just a joking that time things are being censored up in the Kimmings this week Dresden we've got local dentistry started to actually suppress basic news articles about their associates and with the right groups so censorship is happening everywhere pressure is happening everywhere I don't know if it's going to come from but it's not only that the internet should be available to all this goes right back to the old Tilly for me I was that Tilly for me should be available at all but who pays so I can mix it up with my classic Walter Benjamin as our corp because I can never leave home without him and um and this is something we've done about history uh if the internet and these screens and the spirits and these pocket boxes are framing how we see and feel about the world and those who are designing such power to actually structure for those experiences in very specific ways with very specific expertise only when it has then um they actually hardly restore the circumstances it's changing the sense of perception while we're not that's not technological journalism that's agency and I think actually there are a lot of blobs I've seen that do I think that's my final but I don't know something to show you it is a piece and I'm I hope you have something to say but we're going to just switch the video and just see it run


Good morning everyone For Benjamin Sunday some of you it's Sunday, but for the most part it's Saturday at least for us Saturday morning, Saturday afternoon, Saturday evening Let's see who is here. So we have John from Ireland. I think it's afternoon for John. You have Chris Benjamin Hillary Janine Thomas Betsy my mom Kathy and Tommy from the buying state.  They haven't quite ended yet because I have another trip. I'm going on on Wednesday. So And we'll have great here too two people who can Chris I did not see Sarah do anything to you Because I could not connect very well where I was I was out in the boonies and this year I for some reason I couldn't connect So no, I didn't see her throw you throw you under the bus, but I'm assuming you're out of the hospital now and in doing well He's still recovering. He's still recovering. I think I got him pretty good good We have Maddie Wait, wait, Greg, Greg real quick. Do you have a way to throw together something really fast? To look at wiki tree profiles and tell me who In wiki tree has the most identified Children in their line Based on their profile the children of the profile Wow Can you do that like really fast and or if a lush can do magic fingers and figure it out too This magical. Yeah magical coating A lush Who can what? Find out Officially on wiki tree. What profile has the most children listed? He's like oof Well, I was looking I was looking through in any way and I'm trying to not try to segue too early here Hmm While we chit chat most first most children for one person Most children for a couple for a couple. Well, I guess whichever is easier. I guess we could do one person or a couple Yeah, just find finding who on here has the most children. I think it's no offense men, but I We have 40 to 50 wives um No offense men, but saying hey my dad was married six times and he had 85 children really doesn't count to me Because literally it's really it really should be who is the woman who has yeah by the wife I agree. Let's let's find out who is the wife who has the most children Listed on a wiki tree profile. There we go Oh, he can do it a few minutes. Yay Good thing elish was here. Thank you Hey elish He would do some magic Okay, um And I was gonna say Okay, just seeing if anybody else timed in and I guess since we're already on the subject Right a little right mags since we're already on the subject. What what subject? We're on the subject of I was reading Ben said the problem is mags not every profile Lists all the children. I answered that question with 21 children and only 10 survived. I got you. I got you Well, since we're on the subject and elish is going to do it a few minutes So I'm going to take at least a few minutes to do this Uh, let me share my screen drag. Greg says Greg says he's merely a Yeah, I don't even know how to pronounce that word Me a fight in comparison. I figured it would be pronounced like that But who knows so the question of the week is what's the largest family you've found in your treat and A o and a o and how did you find this really weird picture and look at how These this must be a royal family because these kids all look like they they're It was actually it was actually our wiki-trigger-in-chief who made that one Really?  Yeah Let's do so what's the largest family you've found in your trees meaning the the ones with the big the most kids Now i'm obviously over on facebook ernie turnier says Ernie turner says my wife's third great-grandfather zackariah's goff was born in 1787 and children and died in 1874 leads megan tic county kebec ontario canada Which is an interesting place. There was a huge explosion in megan tic a couple of years ago a train Accidentally rolled into the middle of the town and just exploded. It was crazy Uh, so he married three times and had 21 children that i've identified so far sources claims He had 36 children fine for you, but really it's the ladies that count. How many Children did a woman have? That's what i want to know Um, and then i said of course he's one tired fella. Um Yep, I have i just wrote an article recently just i'm kind of like on the subject apparently Somebody broke the world record having the most kids at the same time and she had nine so non-templates Yeah, that's all that's all i wanted to say It shocked me when i read it that is that is and i see k9 k9 has a couple of good answers The family story for my husband's great great great grandfather is that he that he said my children And your children are fighting with our children and there were 21 Okay, so rebecca clark 19 children of the same parents I can't remember if all of the children had lived or not But that was uh first african first settlers of South africa in 1640 So the same parents so that that one counts since it's the same parents. It's the same woman in the same man uh sam de jardin Some french canadian families have over 15 That is with one husband and one wife. It must be been very cold in the early days. Are you kidding me? Up here. Yeah Yeah David more now more it is a family that i'm familiar with here in the uh gattino earthly area of kebac which is connected to wiki treer elf um Anyone lying golf but uh david more says gotta love those uh lds families With 40 kids and multiple wives it takes forever to add but gives tons of connections Um, i've got a couple of those in my tree lucinda brown shepherd my great great grandparents anson edek And magdalena lana clock had 13 all of whom were still alive um Let's see 26 but not all lived childhood. That's carolin wood rebecca c Says i believe 12 children my dad's father had 21 Your dad's father didn't have 21 kids he Provided a sample so that there could be 21. He didn't have them. I'm sorry My mother's brother got 14 kids with the same wife. That's a lot Uh 13 children but only three survived to adult life. That's sad willard Willard i have filed nine I have no idea what that's about sarah's gonna lose it All right Comment because Benjamin how many do you Benjamin has like I don't want to guess wrong. He has he has like eight nine. He just had a new one So his comment was oh, that's right. Yeah, you just had a new one um 17 all from one mother. There you go something between 12 and 15. I don't remember um Here comes elash elash elash. Tell us. I mean jimmy has a left. Hello Why didn't you find elash? Can you hear me? Hearing twice everything just a second Okay, we were echoing in his ear Okay, so we have the results Let me just share the You are a magician man a magician magic okay so most children so we have um 30 children for one for for one woman that would be uh with this ID and then we have one for with 29 children six Women had 27 26 and so on to and we end with 2.4 million Women one child. Wow. Wow Wow Now we can also check that one. Um make your screen a bit Bigger Hold your control in your mouth. Oh, okay Zoom zoom zoom Up like this Let me As someone asks does that include duplicates? I guess if there are duplicates as children probably We didn't ask him to Whether they're duplicates or not We just asked for a look so this one So here we have Okay Nope It doesn't look correct Uh Four one one Okay, oh there we go And three husbands Oh, there's a duplicate husband. It's a duplicating the husband So probably that that can reduce Also, probably the child's children are duplicated It's still I'm a man. I'm shocked. How about it? Does it look I don't see any duplicate names. I'm yeah, I'm scrolling through looking for it Oh, listen, there's an in and a fox is duplicated uh And how many we have a project for whoever wants to take that on And fox and fox. So let's check them Um So it looks like a possible suggestion too many children Oh, there you go We just found a new suggestion You know actually what we need for the connectathon is we need the report of the everyone that only has one Because that means they only put their direct line on they didn't add any of the other kids That's another good one. Yeah I mean, I know that I have a lot of my family where they only had one kid But I think usually it was right. It's not a common thing Not mine. Mine all had lots of kids Thank you. Alesha. That was cool. That was that was very fun. What a fun thing to do. Okay So back to the question week, uh, george fulton answered with my ancestors wife's ancestor Wine de Santiago the family name changed. Da da da da da 25 children 25 um 20 children for my grandfather Was one of 20 but sadly only 11 survived um Let's see skip over the next page um Oh, I had I had a really cool photograph for one of these. Where'd you go? There we go. I love this photograph my great grandparents William ever brown and hunt nine five six nine Which actually may be a part of my family just based on where they're from. They don't know they connect to my family um They 17 children and here is a picture of her with seven of her sons Isn't that a great photo? That's a great photo. Uh, there were a couple other photos. Let's see down here um Robert molesworth, uh bend sound familiar I went up to him. He was just talking about him too. Yeah. Yeah. I know. That's why I brought it up Oh, let's see. Let's jump over to the next one Philip Henry Sanger had eight children by his first wife who died in 1920 married in 1922 and had 11 more children That's just crazy. Um John Perot my four times great-grandfather had 27 children that we can account for from two different wives um Joshua Wallingford of Lebanon main must break some kind of records his obituary states that he had two wives one loving One now living sorry one now living one loving. Yeah, one of them was a loving life Pretty cool. Pretty cool. Let's see bounce on over to the third page um Leads me to a big path of discovery. This is from an all anonymous alford There's a distant cousin in the surname Collins that had 18 children I've added many of the children in the Collins surname on another family tree app because It's more user friendly I don't know what you're talking about there. Anyway, so uh lots of 27 children Five wives and he was uh an LDS guy Like I said, I I personally don't think it really counts Unless it's the woman because she's the one who's doing all the work there really seriously Seriously, it's the it's the women that count. So Alas, we should look for those profiles and add it To the I was actually I feel like we because we I know we had this question speak before and I know I've looked it up But the woman with the most children She had a total of 27 births she had Wait, no, she gave total she gave birth to a total 69 children 16 pairs of twins seven sets of triplets and four sets of quadruplets between 1725 and 1765 so a total of 27 births That's why Because I need needed the kids to work the farm But like Yeah, I know but That's a lot That's a lot of here. I was gonna Show this. Yeah The door of us specifically I'm not even showing my screen. I would do that And there's a Wikipedia article with people with the most children Having duplicates is cheating Are those twins and quadruplets? Yeah, that's why yeah, it does that mean if people have multiple births, that's cheating Benjamin, were any of yours twins or I like Chris is coming soon to tlc Lynn's dad is um, he's the youngest of 16 kids and 15 of those are from the same wife Wow Wow, um, I'm descended from uh, the hunt 14 which is 14 kids of Dr. Thomas hunt and and henson but the reason that I discovered wiki tree in the first place Was that I was looking for my fifth great grandfather esli hunt And it said that he had 27 siblings and I'm like wait, he's one of the hunt 14 that is so wrong And so um a family in westchester in new york had been mixed up with my hunts of virginia And so that's how I found discovered wiki tree And that's how wiki tree hooked me because I had to spend the time to disconnect that and make right So there you go If we all have bins or singles no duplicates We don't have to merge do we don't so we don't have to merge any of your duplicate children Benjamin Benjamin doesn't have duplicate children No, he doesn't I'm just making a joke. That's all About the duplicate children Okay To our profiles of the week Sculptors so And while I'm reading please tell me I was connected to I know nice. We'll look up who I'm most closely connected to like she's probably john bacon because I'm only 16 away from him Yeah, oh, I'm probably close to bacon too. I'm a bacon You're bacon So our main Our main featured connection is binny ream who sculpted the abraham lincoln um and the us capital rotunda She also designed the first freestanding statue of a native american sequoia, which was Which was to be placed in the statuary hall washington dc So she was born in wisconsin in 1847 and died in washington dc in 1914 That's pretty cool Also, the fact that you know the sculpture that's in washington dc was sculpted by a woman full in the us capital So next we have alexander calder born in 1898 in pennsylvania Oh See was an american sculptor known as the originator originator of the mobile The what a type of moving sculpture made with delicately balanced or suspended shapes that move in response to touch your air currents fun A mobile mobile yep That's cool So pretty much the originator of the mobiles. So everybody who Uh has put them above the baby's bed so you can thank alexander calder I'm looking sarah and your closest one is Vinny hoxy Vinny so binny ream Yeah, I guess so Oh, that's cool. That's cool. Yep Okay, 20 degrees So the next one we have is barbara hepworth She was in england. She was born in 1903 in england and died in 1975 English artist and sculptor And you can see her sculptures over here um On her profile She was the eldest child of herbert hepworth and herbert was a civil engineer working for the county council who later became a county surveyor um And she liked the pierced forms um Finally she She traveled to idly for florins and then roam where she met skipping after a whirlwind a whirlwind of romance they married in may of 1925 in the palazzo vicchio in florins Well, she also entered the pre de rom for a sculpture But the prize was won by skipping so then she married skipping so there you go interesting Has anybody seen any of her Anybody familiar seen any of her stuff It looks familiar to me No, I have three other people unless the less left Sometimes I feel like I'm talking to myself Okay, next we have John Wait, why would I was I norman lindsay? I guess I was looking at john bacon when I was reading it So he was born 1879 in the colony of victoria And then died in 1969 in australia in south wales He was australia's most controversial artist He was also a sculptor editorial cartoonist scale modeler and author and he wrote the age of consent and the magic pudding And was best known for his full bodied nudes We have any of his Stuff I want to see only three I guess we're gonna have to go on a hunt. It looks like there's something on his background though for his profile really Let's see Well, I guess those are his paintings, but I guess here you can see that so it's probably one of his sculptures there in the corner So, yeah, oh no, okay Very cool So he was very he did a lot of different stuff And I guess he was controversial for his um, you know his nude things and apparently That's some of his drawings and all that so cool Now we are on to john bacon That just always makes me think of kevin bacon Just because of course it does because seven bacon is related to john bacon That would make sense. Yes So he was born in england in 1740 died in 1799 He was a fashionable british sculptor who executed many tombs including the huge url of chatham monument in west minister eddie And one and the one to dr. Samuel johnson in st paul's cathedral He was considered the best sculptor of his day for tombs as banks Was for his history piezo he prided himself in his christian sentiment Pious and zealousy attached to methodism He did not speak confused with his son john bacon. I'm going to go look at some of his bacon Uh-huh look at that Just look at that just look at that I'm a little looking at sculptures or so Because it's like somebody just kind of just make it out of Just carve it and it becomes I don't know I think it's cool Okay, now we have florence will for an 1881 in illinois and died in 1968 in ontario canada She was canadian sculptor and a founding member of the sculptor society of canada and the first woman sculptor Given a full membership in the royal canadian academy of arts and she was also a poet You see some of I guess that's one of her works and You have some of her poems here so I written that And apparently the canadian portrait academy made while an honorary Academy of 2000 named her one of the top 100 artists of the 20th century That's pretty cool Actually, uh, it goes back further crest than bacon tharp It actually goes back to a fellow by the name of grim baldus Who was in um france just to let you know So we have another canadian sculptor frances luring worked in 1887 in idaho And died in canada in 1968 She was a founding member of the sculptor society society of canada a member of the royal canadian academy of arts and she was one of canada's representatives at the venice biennial in the 1960 And I guess this is her statue of sir robert bordin And then we have the spirits of canada Damn, I wonder how long it took her to make Okay We have something similar here, but not quite Impressive and then her working on another sculpture Very impressive Okay, now we have Camille a lot of female sculptors we have here on this list So camille claudelle born in 1864 in france and died in 1943 in france She was a french sculptor and graphic artist her work was Figurative and done in bronze and marble Apparently there's a film called Camille claudelle and that was dedicated her in 1988 Because apparently her work was rediscovered in the second half of the 20th century Anybody say anything interesting in that chat? No, we're still talking about the bacon bacon. Yeah, they're pretty much stuck on the bacon guys And then we have another edgard de gas Probably most people are familiar with his painting. You know his ballerina paintings and stuff But also a sculptor. Oh, no, most of it's in french. Okay, here we go Yeah, impressionist paper paint wow impressionist painter But he was since he was also a sculptor let's look at his Well, I can't spell I guess he did bronze sculptures. There we go Still ballerinas he had a thing for ballerinas Next we have Frederick remington Born in new york in 1861 died 1909 in connecticut He was an american painter illustrator sculptor and writer who specialized in depictions of the american old west Yes, look he was put on a postage stamp Oh I guess we're gonna look up some sculptures of him's I feel like we should it's like just needs to happen There have been more of his sculptors. I believe in The oval office of the united states than any other sculptor That's my personal opinion There we go Those are cool And we have our last one another one who's probably more well known for his paintings more than his sculptors paul of casso One of the most famous modern painters and sculptors pioneering the stoneness cubism Casso So I'm looking for the sculptors the the pieces that he did sculptures Now I'm going to show you all their sculptures There they are In the same style of his painting. Yeah paintings. Yeah Oh, I've seen the one the weird The weird nose I'm not sure if this actually or what they It looks like one of his paintings It does they all look like some of his paintings. I just wasn't sure somebody created that inspiration of Picasso or Picasso No, sorry And that was it those are all of our um, thank you for taking those those were fun, huh? Sculptors I love looking at the artists Okay, cool Who was closest to People were saying who were they were closest to yeah We were throwing that up while you were talking lots of really great close twos Lots of people were close to bacon lots of people were close to other people. You were closest to viny hoxie Who were you closest to mendy? Mine was bacon Bacon alas you were you closest to uh just checking so 27 35 It seems that it's viny hoxie. Oh cool. Oh, look the same as to me. Yeah, a lot of Sarah must be related Oh Great I'm sure we are close super close because you know All my relations are All my relations goes Through one person on 10th generation. So I hope you stand for everything We will get to We will get to The wiki to challenge stuff After we have to look at photos Because we haven't looked at photo we didn't get to look at photos last week through the connectathon And I feel like there was another week we didn't look at photos because something else happened Looking at photos is Sarah's favorite thing. It is my favorite especially if there's an animal in it Of course and look this week is funny. So there's has to be an animal photo in here Because usually animals are very funny. Oh, look at that must be halloween Or they're in a cities psychedelic band our early 70s. It looks like vehicle inspection Why is this funny?  That's adorable That is really that's a jillion. Yeah, it is Alish Alash is trying to do it. He's trying to bend it over so I can Uh shotgun wedding That's a shotgun wedding I wonder If they really know that he's behind them or not I would hope no That's fun Alexis uploaded that she always uploads good photos. Oh look a minion Who's a janine with minions? My mom also likes minions janine you guys Ben wants to know how pregnant the shotgun wedding wife was Wait, what what about the shotgun wedding? Was she pregnant? Who knows I guess we'll never know You can go and check then Okay, so this deeter uploads this photo Christmas and Native americans at the same time does a lot going on in one photo. That's cute. It is cute Um, they were my brother was in that. Um, I forgot what they called it But it was like a precursor to the cub scouts Hmm I see Somebody's got some hair Do you not get it She looks like the tree Bob Ross the joy of painting. She's painting trees. Oh, that's funny And a happy little tree Over here dressed up like him. That's great. Oh my gosh Oh I've I've made my day a lot. Do you know who Bob Ross is? He says no, but I'm gonna look it up real quick. Yeah He paints little trees and he has the poofy afro hair And he's usually wearing blue shirt and jeans Okay, that was pretty funny Good job, Deborah. I'm amused. Okay One, how did he get up there? Lots of skill And then his brother making fun of him Or idolizing him. He's number one. Look all his tongue is out. It looks like he's like hey Maybe he was up there at high tide That's what I was thinking too that he would have to be there for a very long time Probably climbed up there Okay, I'm trying to get what's funny about this one. Hold on. Hold on. I don't know Cutting flowers What's the title on it?  Yeah, that is all the birds all the birds That has an adorable I guess birds don't do it as much for me as other animals. I wasn't as excited as I usually am One Raggedy Ann and Andy Mm-hmm raggedy Ann What's the man? Raggedy Andy Andy and and Andy.  Look. He's playing some soccer maybe Soccer doggie That's the olympic photo for today It's the hubba hubba machine There's a dog. I know there is a dog too doggy This is interesting. Isn't it the little that graphic? The poison or pirate thing Oh another here Another one similar here.  We don't know why this one is funny But I I think just looking at this makes me want to smile the kids laughing It says guess which one is uncle larry Yeah, maybe this one. Yeah Why is someone holding a garbage Can lid over this guy? That's a flying saucer the aliens have him He's about to get abducted Maybe they don't want his head to burn Well, they're hiding the person who was standing behind him just a shade for the sun That's interesting definitely a unique photo Oh Lillian climbing the fence. It's a good photo op. That was pretty funny. Well, that was it. That was it guys. Really? Yeah, that wasn't a lot. No What about and I hope you guys Do we do this in facebook Sometimes I put the option up there sometimes, but usually it's been a failed feat trying to get on facebook Okay, we also have stories so Oh, he's a dentist so they're checking the teeth of the cars Yeah He stayed this vehicle expense ick inspection picture to show his army buddies. He couldn't get the military life out of him Oh look okay, we found one Oh Joyce Hope he's in the paper bag I'm trouble seeing what he was where he was going all this one Caught the moment when arthur dengler my grandfather Cracked himself up while the rest of the group reacts or doesn't Look at his face. Yep. Look at the thought the guy on the far right. I'm not laughing at that I am not. Yeah, I didn't get a blank. His top right is starting to smile make eye contact Well, his father-in-law michael is still maintaining a serious composure And some of the kids are like that one kid's like are they crying or It looks like he's The funny thing about this photo is what my maternal great-grandmother The back on the back about herself. But what was it? Okay Put this in the wardrobe To keep the mice out For that that's funny Okay, so that's that having that other part makes it better. It makes sense Mm-hmm. I'm all quitting Oh He distracted a football match The hubba hubba mobile All this one Oh, this one looks like fun Someone said something funny My grandfather told deadpan humor and pretended not to realize it was funny or could have been my mother lucille who told the joke We'll never know They're having a great time And that was it It's so good to see you We can't hear anything you're saying unless you're muted. We can't hear you Is it better now? Yes This is fine This is a lesha's beautiful daughter Stop growing stop feeding her stop. I know right?  Yeah, but it's a hot outside. So it's not that much fun Yeah But it's outside. It's not not as fun as if it was cool and breezy 13 degrees here right now. So it's nice and cool I Don't stand on the other side of the the computer and talk come around to the front of the computer I would like to but I have nothing to wear because I don't have any wikis T-shirt That's so funny That was the lesha's beautiful life And she doesn't have anything to wear please know that Is it the beacon? He's inner bathing suit. That's okay No, no, I just need wiki t-shirt You have the best wiki tree t-shirt salesperson standing right next. Yes. I know you need to talk to her about getting This year. So I I don't have anything in my new collection. So In your new collection. Okay. I don't have anything to wear. Sorry We love seeing you guys, but we probably ought to get back to the to the live cast. We love you Bye I I guess she was more saying she didn't have a wiki tree attire to wear having a tree attire Okay, so I guess now we will there's something challenging going on There might be something challenging going on this week Oh, wait, there is the wiki tree challenge wiki tree challenge And if you don't happen to know what that is by now, definitely go and visit us at wiki tree dot com And look at our genealogists to genealogists forum Uh, we have people a lot of collaboration this week and out of necessity You know and daniel knew this. Um, he knew he said he'd be happy if we found little shreds of information He didn't have because he has some very very common names and so Takes a number of people and they get together and they group up and they all look at a certain set of records, you know Or tag team it to see if you know, they could narrow narrow down the patricks and the And the marries and the the stuff like that but going well. Otherwise Because bend Benjamin asked if Daniel is now connected to the tree. I know and they aren't supposed to be talking about anything It'll give anything away And somebody answered him, but I won't repeat what the answer was we won't say Oh, Benjamin said yeah, I will Find out on wednesday when we wrap up and we need a big reveal Yeah, daniel's a cool guy And we've done and we've done some interesting records this time. Um, you know, we've done ireland in the past Not a whole tree that's ireland, but we've done sections of trees But there is an interesting set of records that was looked at for some of the people And dan Daniel's tree and you'll have to wait till wednesday to find out what it was, but it was kind of fun. They were different Yeah, it was he part of the uh, the revolution Some of his family now you don't have to wait till once I know you're not going to be able to guess it either because I wouldn't have guessed that that people would be looking at it this week And for those of you who don't know he is he's a young genealogist who is trying to get more young genealogists You know young people to be interested in genealogy. So he's been very Influential in that aspect. So he's very young. He's yeah, he's 17 Yeah, 17 Yeah, Anna and an eyes guy. He's a really nice guy. He's a kid Mm-hmm so Okay, and well, I guess if unless we have questions or I don't know We we might We might head off for the day Well in the meantime, I did uh, some reports that I have prepared for the election had listed some more semantic stuff Most uh, Children's and so on They're I started their calculations So they should be mostly done so we can have a look at the results So, uh, just a second So that's that's really cool dream So once Okay, I mean So, uh Here we have reports for the father with the most children. So the winner is 65 children and so on so here up to all over 40 But all of this should be first checked for the duplicates because as we saw on the For there can be many duplicates on Usually the duplication is the case for high numbers Then the mother we already saw the 30 and here are the the other ones from 25 That's awesome. Um, and then we have uh parents. So this is a pair of the two people Winner here That looks a lot more realistic, but still 29 kids for one family. Holy goodness gracious a lot So these are uh, sort I can post this somewhere if someone wants to Yeah, look, I just looked up the the Ron one Because I was because since I was one of my surnames and it seemed like there was A lot of duplicates on that one Yeah, probably those are the record is somewhere there. I think Although this is a huge number if you ask me Yeah, a lot of Yeah, like a couple denny's and a couple dexters. Okay. I also also good reported We should we should start a new wiki tree a thon the child a thon the child Duplicate children a thon All right, cool. And alash actually put the uh the link if anybody wants to go and check that out Thank you so much. Alash. That is great. Yeah, that's one. That's wonderful. Those are fun statistics So if we ever want any more statistics, we know who to go to Well, I knew if I threw it out there someone would would pick it up and I didn't notice alash was there, but Yay Yes, Benjamin, we do have the results from the thon I did we do like a wrap-up thing or What was our grand total? I don't know I wasn't here. I couldn't tell you We can look up the total So our grand total from the connect us on it was 74,640 That was a total number of connections made. Wow. That's great Yeah Made those connections. Okay. I just continue with what I was doing during connect a thon for the rest of the week It was fun and I just I did just Fragment of the suggestions. So I just continue with it. It's so hot here. I can't really think so Oh, this was a fun distraction I'll send you some cold air from canada Please I want cold air too, please mags. Thank you Oh, it's much better now That was really fast from canada all the way to slovenia.


Great, so it is four oh one and seeing a quorum. I'm going to go ahead and Start this meeting So I'm gonna first perform a sound check to make sure that you can be heard and here So Anika Yes Alex Great, and then we also have Craig DeCarlo from Colliers Yes, great We have one attendee today in the public at the moment So pursuant to chapter 20 of the acts of 2021 this meeting will be conducted via remote means Members of the public who wish to access the meeting can do so by clicking on the live link to this zoom meeting That can be found on the public meetings calendar of the town of Amherst website or by dialing in my phone The public is able to comment during the public comment segment of the posted agenda by raising their hand This meeting is being recorded and will be posted to the town of Amherst YouTube channel. So with that done The first item that we have on our agenda for today is approval of the minutes of May 6 of 2022 If folks had a chance to review those, I would take a motion to approve those minutes Move to approve And second Thank you. Any questions comments changes to the meeting minutes? No, okay here in none Anika, how do you vote? Yes, and Alex Yay Okay, and Alex Lefebvre is a yes Moving on to item number three, which is online comments platform so Uh, one of the things that we've talked about is collecting feedback from the comment We've been doing it physically in person, but also having a methodology for doing it online um So a couple of things that we were talking about um the UMass The folks at UMass who have the community participation tools and the town previously used these when they were looking at Kendrick park and they used both the tools so, um, Christine Gray Mullin and I both met with Two of the people from UMass and they're they're great. It was super exciting to talk to them And so one of the tools is called well, we we named it when we use it for Kendrick park We called it Amherst talks And it's essentially a small town social network So it's an asynchronous engagement platform Where the public can share their thoughts and interact with in this case the outreach subcommittee The way that it works is to access the site Somebody would need to either register with a password or they could just link it to Facebook Instagram or some other social media account that they have that's existing And it can be used for like specific poll questions if we want to put poll questions out to the public Specific choices if we get to a point where we're looking at, you know, color palettes or design choices where there's actual Choices versus right now where it's more open-ended And then also to the extent that we want to have Engagement questions And so I'm going to share my screen here So one of the things I shared in the packet that probably nobody had a chance to look at yet And I apologize. That's completely my fault Is a draft community engagement plan if we work with UMass and so the summary is just basically the building project The relevant documents are the building project website page the draft schematic design A link to the video presentation by the architects of the latest draft schematic design And then the draft timeline that's been put together by colliers and so You know, these are potentially initial engagement questions and these are the questions that Were come up with that people I think colliers came up with in conjunction with Everybody else about sort of these are the things that we're seeking in terms of information And then um, I just had them add that, you know, should Jones library have gender neutral bathrooms And should we use cross laminated timbers because those were two things I knew about that were currently being discussed um So I guess the question Is Do we do does anybody have questions about do we want to use this as a tool? um Do people want to take time to look at the engagement questions or do we send these over and Have them get started and see what they come up with. I guess I'm just sort of throwing out to the group You know how we want to proceed I think it would be interesting to have them get started. It seems like, you know I mean, we need it as as much as we as we can as many mechanisms as we can to engage with the public so Um, I personally I don't see a reason to hold off great Yeah, I guess my only question is if this is a umass hosted thing will they also be sharing it with umass lists of Like if students or residents or professors or residents will they also be sharing it with their own lists? Yeah, no, that's a great question. Alex. So it's actually I wasn't very clear in the beginning. Sorry. So, um There are students doctoral and fellow students at UMass who are working around citizenship participation tools utilizing digital technology And so their thought is by creating sort of small town social networks They're trying to engage different groups of people that might normally come to public meetings And so this would be a site. This would be our site that we would control Who it goes to how it gets out there how it's used what so it's it's It only involves UMass in the sense that we are engaging a group of students who are Doing this work around their their doctoral and fellowship studies um, but everything else is controlled by us and like I said The town used it once already on Kendrick park and it looks like The number of people who used it were like maybe 15 or 16 people. It wasn't a lot, but it was successful and well received um I From my own sense of looking at it. I think It especially has value if we were to create something specific for say the teens Because the teens I think would have no problem engaging on sort of a social media platform where you Put up pictures or put up ideas and that they get to respond to Is that answer your question alex? totally, um, you know, I think the The one Yes, and like I think that this is wonderful and like was said earlier that Using as many modalities as possible is great. Um, I also just know, you know, the tremendous amount of effort it can be to create Content and like once content stops or lags that it's very hard to maintain engagement um, and so if I want to be thoughtful of like how How do we roll this out in a way where there's like a steady stream of content? And maybe if colliers had an idea of like where it would be most impactful in the plan um So that it's not a long drawn-out thing, but it's something that people are signing on to every day for a week and you know We're able to hammer out those sort of things if that makes sense Greg, did you want to comment? um, that's actually uh, zander's got a great point, you know um I think there'll be some over the next say two months. There'll be some periods of intense Inquiry Where the design team will be looking for feedback. Um, and there will be lots of content coming out images drawings, you know draft Drafts of different presentation materials But that's that high Frequency won't be sustained for a long period of time. And so yeah, maybe maybe it's like a sprint right now um And then, you know, you close close things down or or let everyone know like hey check back in And then throw a date out or a month out more content available then Okay, so that I think I think that the two could work well together And I'd also imagine if and I think that this was said in previous conversations about this platform that Like many others there can be, you know schedule posting so You know as to avoid loads Or you know as as Frank said to kind of communicate You know check back at at this time and the other What I also think is great about this is it will allow people who Are there, you know, do not have the time to tune into these meetings or make it to events to be able to communicate on their time And when is convenient for them? You know, so I'm you know, I'm hopeful that this could broaden our audience and Last from my recollection. I think that this group was like specifically interested in working with this project You know feeling that You know, we would be a good tester so to speak So the other tool that we talked with them about is called community click um and so it's a novel real-time feedback system Where residents can anonymously provide their thoughts and reactions as meeting happen meetings happen and the thought is You know when people are watching a meeting many people have things to say But don't necessarily want to raise their hand and speak publicly Which is really the only option sort of in the current, you know meeting setting And so what would happen is if we were to use the tool the public when they sign on to the meeting A link and a qr code would be displayed on the meeting screen And then if the public wants to they can click on that, you know on the same device which opens a second screen or on a phone or separate device And then We would we would put up sort of whatever we want So we could have anything from people saying like, you know, I love this. I don't like this. I'm confused I don't understand. I have questions to you know, whatever sort of the range of feedback is that we're looking for from people And then it actually time stamps all of the comments for when they're being given so What um what we had talked about was maybe On may 27th. I believe it is you tell me if i'm wrong craig that the architects are going to be Coming with the first schematic design and talking about the gender neutral bathrooms Yes, I have both a design a layout update and now also some more information on the the gender inclusivity On the 27th So an example might be, you know, if we wanted to specifically take the pulse of people around, you know, gender neutral bathrooms We could set up that design meeting so that You know, basically when people are watching that portion that can be clicking on what they're hearing, you know Either i'm confused or I like it or I don't like you know, whatever it is. So That's a tool that we could use In either the jlbc meetings the design meetings Or we could save it for a virtual event So for example, if after we get this first set of schematics, we want to have a virtual event where We present sort of the status of designs and where they are then that we could use it for that So I mean there's lots of options. It's just How people want to use it if people want to use it I'm always for making it easier to yell at us. So yes, I think we should use it The on the other thing that the network One idea that comes to mind is also going back to uh each group of people that was running a station at the At the big open house at the jones and asking them specifically what They would want to use it for now and whom they'd want to send it to as a way to empower our It's like I don't want to call them subcommittees, but um each group of folks to like really Start asking those questions so I could imagine the teens If they want to narrow down some of like the information that they have or keep building out that list Who do they want to send that to as we're doing and that also would extend to This sort of traveling roadshow version of that of like if we're doing something in partnership with someone Do you also want to make this available? You know that week you can Ask or be the the content creators basically for our network And send it out to people that you want to to get involved as well and that might help us share the load Thanks, Alex Mika Any thoughts? I'm sorry. Yep. Anything you want to Just giving you an update. Yeah. No, I agree those are um You know those are I mean I agree with everything that everyone said right now all great points Okay, great um So one other thing that I've been working on with Matt Barubi at the library Is A padlet Let me share my screen again. So this is a padlet The nice thing about a padlet is Anybody can access it It's scary thing about a padlet. Anybody can access it So there's sort of two potential ideas. One is you know, these are You know pictures These are basically the tables, right that we had for the event and the pictures that we had And This would allow people to go on and they could you know, they could heart something They could add a comment like, you know, love the desks or whatever they want to do They also could upload their own pictures of library spaces that they like um And my thought was when we are places like the Amherst survival center or out at events The ginormous binder that I created while that was a lot of fun to create It's cumbersome and it's big and I think some people will want the detail that it contains of each section of the building project But I think other people might prefer sort of this Easier to view easier to navigate And it can be done this way or it could be done With the comments that we've received to date as sort of the starting point and then people adding comments versus pictures So a couple of things about padlet is that there are Three ways that you can create a padlet One is password protected. So it's hidden from the public We share it with who we want and the only way to get into it is with the password The second which is how this is currently set up is hidden from the public meaning like When I say public, I'm not I mean like trolls out in the internet is what I'm thinking of big public so we could share anyone we share it with can open it and Comment no password required and obviously that's a really low threshold which is nice We have the ability the library sends out a weekly blast to about 10 000 people So it I mean it's easy to distribute among people who are part of the library and then The last is it's public. It's open to all so anybody does an internet search and then can just go to town adding comments So those are different security settings and then also How people view posts so it can be a read only So if we want to provide a place for people to sort of land see public comments, but they can't do anything That's one option Or it can be What this is set up right now, which is to view an ad post So nobody can change the base that we have but they can add their comments They can heart and then they can add their own pictures, but they can't like change Something so if Anika adds a picture that she likes You know Alex can't go in and delete that picture, but you can part it or make comments about it Um, so this was just one other potential tool that we may or may not want to use so I throw it to you too to give me your thoughts I am I So I like the different options here. I'm I'm a big fan with any project, especially with engagement, you know An outreach to kind of be mindful of you know, I think you have like your skimmers swimmers and divers, you know Um, so and I think you know with a lot of folks like when you're in the weeds And it's your project like you're full on diver, you know And I think this really gives people the opportunity to you know, you can see it as a glance You know at a glance and you know, you have the opportunity to go um to go further in Um, and I think that sometimes the skimmers tend to get left out like those people you need to capture like in those first 10 seconds, you know Um, and they just they want to see it at a glance. So I do um Yeah, I like the idea that people also because there are so many images and there have been That people also, you know, have the opportunity to you know add theirs I like this Thanks, Alex Oh, I just also want to say I really like that framing. I hadn't heard skimmers swimmers and divers and I really like that So thank you for that nika. Um, I'm answer Nice the uh Yeah, I mean like this this makes sense. Um It very much reminds me of an old pinterest board. I used to have um, the I think the like in terms of the level of security or whatever uh I like the idea of it being um Invitable right where like people can share this link um For similar reasons then or then what I was talking about with the networks I think this would be another great tool to empower our partners to share with their list or their people um So I don't know if that's technologically possible, but just like uh, you know, for example the example that got up earlier about the Survival center, right? And like is this something that can be made available for folks to see there like not only at that event But like folks that they're in connection with as well Yeah, so yeah, you can copy the link we can send it to anybody There's actually a qr code if we want to use that in fact with the town The little boards that are all over town in theory. We could upload a qr code and people could access it that way Um, we can embed it on the project website. Um, you can email it. We can put it on facebook So it's we we can get out there. Anyway, we want um, do you guys have a thought about Just leaving it sort of picture oriented like this versus You know people seeing what comments we're gathering Is there an option to click to like instead of like forcing people like so they can they have the option to see the comments they want to Yeah, I mean one thing, um I was thinking about and actually this might be a good segue into uh, let's see where is this so this is these are the public comments that we've been collecting and You know, it's not as pretty as what we have up in some other spaces But you know, these are The comments collected to date. Um That we could make this document, you know So that people can real time just see the comments as they're coming in from people as well as the frequency and i'm gonna let um Craig give you an update about sort of what's what's going on here with the colors and the sorting and things Just so you guys know Certainly like so The design subcommittee is going to be they're they're doing a little homework right now and uh later this week on the 19th their goals to go through all the current comments and um make not necessarily make a decision on but Decide how each are going to be handled In general, they're looking at, you know, a couple different buckets. Um, where some the you know, it's going to be like Yes, that's already in our in our scopes. We're going to include that in the design Yes, we want to include that in the design Um, but it's not in there yet Maybe but you know, it depends on the feasibility I and and you know, maybe not because it doesn't seem either appropriate or attainable So that that first layer that first round of review is going to start it's going to happen What is that Thursday the 19th And then they'll hand that information so the things that are yeses You know strong yeses or or maybes Actually, maybe possibly even the uh, we don't think so will be handed up to the library building committee who will ultimately decide All right, this is the packet of comments that we want to give to find gold alexander to either incorporate immediately Confirm it's already incorporated or you know consider and look at the feasibility of So that's the current plan Yeah, and and craig's the one who actually identified these so craig went through the list and this list is updated daily um, so there Are 90 unique comments that he highlighted which uh, a frequency total of 273 comments and just So people have a sense. We are uh, currently as of yesterday at 840 Comments received to date so far that are on this chart. So Yeah, so so alex that actually I forgot to bring that up. So the the stuff that's in yellow review date is Prop 519 that's proposed 519. I was trying to Prioritize the items that I thought would um, the design team would most benefit from hearing now or soon Just based on where they are in the design process So it's not that the yellow ones are more important. It's just that they're more timely Right things like design of grounds furniture are things that don't have to be decided right this minute um yeah so That's where we are in terms. So my my thought was that we would put that padlet up Um for people and we could share it with partners. I think that's a great idea Alex um, and that we would start working with amherst talks about having the asynchronous that people we can As we identify questions. We want to Particularly ask people and then the community click we can decide which meetings we want that to be part of sort of a multi-pronged approach and then we continue to have the charts up at the library that are um continuing to get feedback on those uh daily so Living next to the library. I literally go over daily take a picture of them and compare them and update the chart. So um Yeah, anybody else Questions or comments about online platforms thoughts If we could not use the word asynchronous I think as a parent of three young people coming out of distance learning. I would like to not hear that term ever again Okay, that's fair I feel like I also share that trauma here you Alex Okay, so um item four on our agenda is um the keeping the community informed um, so um Do people have thoughts about? The comments that we the public comments that we just looked at like do we It's not a very exciting looking document. I realize but um, like do we want to just put that out? There is a view only that's linked to our project sites and people can see things real time or does that make sense? Okay, um great. Uh, and then um Uh next thing the informing the public Is where is it? Where is it? Uh, here maybe? All right navigating where things live. Yes. Okay. Um, so this is potentially an inaugural project newsletter so the conversation is uh, perhaps while we are In schematic design, which is the busy busy time. Maybe this is a weekly newsletter Um, and then as we move into design development, maybe it's every two weeks And then as we move into the project, maybe it's monthly, but the idea being Uh, something where people can quickly the skimmers Can quickly come see sort of what's going on. Um, so this is just an idea draft people can feel free to tear it apart. Um, but um Craig sort of helped put together um, you know, just sort of some key dates in the project timeline So this isn't everything, but it might be things that people want to know And then there are embedded links to the actual project timeline letting people know about upcoming outreach events Where they can link to share a comment with us. I don't know what that really what, you know, what we're working on What's coming soon? um And then just kind of an update so right, you know Here was our May 1 event.  We went to the senior center open house You know, and as of May 16th, you know, we have uh, we're up to 820 comments And then maybe a project update like May 9th You know, the architect started on the plans. Here's a link to the current schematic design This is what happens in schematic design. Here's a link to the building program You know, we're collecting feedback through July 1 You know top trending public comments for the week people can kind of see what's surfacing up to the top um, and then upcoming public meetings ideally with links and then maybe sort of what the topics are to again Help people are like, oh, I really want to hear about that item yeah I love this and I think it works better than even a full out like the calendar that We had talked about because I think it's important to have something fresh and You know something that changes weekly You know, I love the trending the top trending public comments You know, there's just a lot that I think anything that is put out that people feel like oh, I have to keep You know, I have a reason to come back, you know um, yeah, the the upcoming public meetings I think this this is great and it's easily shareable. That's that's um, that's what I like like we can, you know That'll you know, of course sending this I think this will this will work nicely Sending out to all of the volunteers as well and kind of getting people prepared to to look for it and you know share it on as as meant to as many networks and All of us and partners as possible great I'm getting a thumbs up from Alex. That's good. All right. Um, great. So Craig you have any thoughts? This is your first time seeing it I think it looks great. I think the uh being concise With links to more in-depth information is the exact right way to go Okay Yeah, and then there's a link to the project website at the top and I and I think too like as we get other tools going whether it's the padlet or the Amherst talks, I mean they can all be embedded in LinkedIn here. So Okay, um great, uh So I think that's it for the keeping community informed unless people have other ideas or thoughts about Things they want to do No, just really inspiring and impressive amounts of work Thank you Um, it's what you know as long as as long as they don't allow me in the school building, you know, this is I'm not baking with children, but I I am I am having fun around the library. So yeah, you're making up for it Exactly. Um, so item number five is next outreach events. Um, So I still don't have times from the town on the Olympia oaks in the village park I have dates but not times. I know there's League of Women voters The same day as the Olympia oaks and their meeting crest. I don't know if it's the same or I can tell you that I think Okay, I'm speaking too soon. I don't know why this computer just froze Okay, I don't know what just happened but as soon as it has it on freezes I may have to send this to you after but I know I did just I did just see an email about that that includes Oh, maybe I got maybe I got it too and I just haven't looked at it yet I don't know if you have to do a counseling now may have but you may have you may have as well If you know, I'll add it to the newsletter. So, um, Saturdays nine to 12 We're gonna start tabling with the Friends of the Jones. Um, outside the Amherst farmers market We'll do that through July one at least and then decide, you know, once we're through schematics sort of how we want to keep doing that um, I met with um, Marcella from Amherst survival center Such a good partner. So, uh, we can start tabling We can table anytime we want but the thought was to do it Thursdays from 11 to one That's when they tend to have a good group of people that come through They're providing us with a table. Um We may want to look tapestry health comes once a month on Friday So it might make sense when tapestry is coming to sort of table on the same day with them They have also offered us on Thursdays. Um, the survival center is open late, but their cooling station closes at three So we could do Uh an event at the survival center Basically any Thursday, uh between three and seven so and they'll advertise for us. They'll, you know, get out the word for us So if we want to host An event there, um in person we can Um We're in the works with applewood. I know it's going to be a saturday I just don't know which saturday yet and we've reached out to green leaves. We're waiting to hear back from them Because of the upcoming events Um, and then I know we talked at one of our meetings about having a virtual event for people um And I wasn't entirely sure what a virtual event looks like Um, but I thought again, maybe once we have the first schematic back from Feingold after may 27th Maybe that's the time to do a virtual event and then we could present sort of the latest schematics and What we're wrestling with or what decisions are ahead Is that like a forum staff? Yeah, I think so I think so I just I have no idea what's coming so it makes it hard to plan we Yeah Craig do you have any thoughts about that I mean about us Sort of doing a virtual event with whatever Because there's going to be multiple schematics like Like we have the ones from october 20th. We're gonna uh, you know One now and then like we're going to get it again and again. I don't so I don't know Right and so that design is going to be Evolving and I I can't remember who was in this forum or one of the other meetings we talked about It's not likely that there's going to be here's layout a here's layout b here's layout c which one do you like best It'll be more like Here is the latest layout We'll get comments feedback The design team will respond to those Here's the next version more comments more feedback Respond to those and so it'll be like an evolution of plans. So after may 27th Yes, we should have some fresh layouts that uh, sort of the latest and greatest for people to take a look at and in react to Right. Okay So then if it makes sense, I can reach out to the library about You know scheduling a virtual event after may 27th Um that we can start advertising for um And then do people have thoughts around the survival center if we do a In-person event at the survival center like do we do a mini version of what we did at the library? Do we do? Something different. I mean people have thoughts about what that might look like or should look like Is there one table? Let me say it would be there would be a table there So we can table every thursday we could table every day if we wanted but I mean I was speaking once a week So we can table and there are two things actually that we could do sort of weekly One is we could take that padlet say on an ipad or a computer And then people who are experiencing homelessness who are using The cooling station we could go in and have one-on-one conversations and get feedback from them But then we can also outside and people are collecting Um, you know lunch and the fresh produce and things from outside We would be at the table to be collecting feedback from them But then the survival center is offered if we want to have an in-person event where we invite people to come Like set up at the survival center like we did at the library That we could have an actual in-person event where we invite the community Into the building If we want Or maybe I don't know I think probably if it was A coordinated maybe I mean maybe if it was coordinated with I guess one of what I'm assuming that Thursday is You know a popular day I'm not I'm not sure or maybe like around when when the survival center Is is doing something that would attract more people than An average or are they would know I'm sorry. I don't mean to babble. I'm just trying to think of like How how would that be planned it would just be it's like Thursday just the regular day up at the survival survival center So the way that their schedule works is Wednesday, they're closed for an office administration day and Thursday is the one day that they're open late And then they're open one Saturday a month and so Going weekly. I mean this time of year They're just they're they're getting busy now regardless Usually sort of Thursday Fridays or their busy day usually a month is their busy day Busiest times, but the reality is they're just seeing a constant flow of people right now So it didn't sound like it mattered a whole lot And then the 11 to 1 made sense So I guess the question is You know, we did the in-house at the library Like do we just want to do little targeted events like farmers market tabling at the survival center You know the outreach at the apartments or do we want to have another sort of event like we had at the library but Hold it north Amherst, you know at the survival center. So pre-pandemic Um, right because you both moved here during the pandemic So pre-pandemic it was not uncommon for Events to be hosted at the survival center And it didn't necessarily have to be a survival center event because they have a beautiful space where people used to come together Any lunch every day, but that hasn't happened since the pandemic So it's just a space in north Amherst if we want to have an in-person event On a larger scale rather than just sort of these targeted smaller events But I mean, maybe we don't I don't I don't know. I don't know people's feelings Whether we just sort of stick with targeted events at this point I think oh, I'm sorry. I just want to try so the the league of women's voters event that is from 3 to 5 p.m Is that the same though as what I'm trying to figure out is that so Jennifer moisten had said that So there's the event there's olympia oaks butternut and village park Events with crest and the olympia oaks butternut is on the same day. And so I don't know if crest is just I don't know if earl miller is just like everywhere All the time Huh 22nd. Yeah So, um, well, I think that this this one. I know last night it was announced that I think they were waiting for confirmation, but it would be both earl miller and the new Director for the dei program Right, right Yeah, I just don't know whether the event that jennifer was telling us about like a month ago that we put on the calendar Is the league of women or whether there's a separate town event? That's actually because I For the crest that's league of women voters No, I know, but there's also town was taking crest out to the apartment complexes So that's why anyway, so I have I I have a follow-on is if they told us this is at grove park pavilion Exactly, which is why I thought they were separate events But they sound very similar because there's food and music and crest. So Yeah, I know I mean, I just saw this one was announced by the league of women voters last night and so So separate. I mean, I don't know confirm with jennifer, but I'm pretty sure it's the same one Okay, all right good Like I think in terms of having a big in-person event at this rival center like it makes sense It sounds like there is sort of two just thinking about Sorry, my background is in campaign. So I think of things in like campaign arcs and narratives And it sounds like there are sort of like two major Escalation points for lack of a better term when schematic one comes out and when schematic two comes out and I think You mentioned for at least one of those doing an online forum style thing And I think it would make sense for the other one to be at the survival center, right and doing a big event then That way we can also at all of these smaller events Drive traffic of like Come see your comments in action when we release the first schematic at the survival center on whatever date we expect that to be Come, you know, and then see and then join us again on the internets for blah blah blah Great. How far in advance will we know when new schematics are coming out for us to be able to in advanced plan events So we'll have a new some new drawings on the 27th, and then you'll probably have updates for the following three or four weeks At Or maybe every other week But then That'll be by then will it be at the end of schematic design and we'll be rolling into design development, which At that point the layout is pretty well locked down But now there's lots of other, you know, those other decisions that we were talking about will come more into play So as far as drawing layouts, we'll have one on the 27th possibly two weeks after that another kind of update It will be pretty fast pretty, you know rapid tempo To say the least but um And then after that it basically every time the design committee design subcommittee is meeting Uh, I believe that final Alexander will be invited and you know, some new it'll be an opportunity for them to show off some new information And solicit more input And just remind me The 27th is there an event already scheduled As far as I know, it's just the design subcommittee meeting. So that's But that's the one that find gold Alexander said, yes, we will have some New information new designs Uh to sort of show off to showcase at that point So could the event be that that I know all these meetings have been virtual but um Um Either could that event be that like we're driving people to the 27th design committee To see the unveiling and that's our online thing um, and then we're meeting at the Uh survival center the week or two following that um, like you said craig because there's going to be another round of Drawings that are coming out every week or so Yeah, and actually now I think about it. We probably won't like every other week I think that's the temple of the design subcommittee meetings. And so that's the temple that Alexander is going to be aiming to provide information Yeah, I mean alex, that's what I was thinking was using the community click at that may 27th meeting So driving people to that meeting and then they could you know Now the problem with problem the Fly in the ointment is the design meetings are like fridays at 9 a.m. Which I know I can never attend that meeting um So that's you know One issue with the design meetings Ultimately, though, correct me if I'm wrong will They then be presented craig to our full jlbc meetings, which are 430 meetings Right, there'll be um to go from schematic design into design development There'll be I believe they're going to be one one big presentation at a library building committee meeting To get the thumbs up to move on to the next phase But we won't get the iterations at the at the whole building committee. We won't see the there won't be a presentation No, I don't just be the sort of the latest the greatest Okay If there are significant it's tough to tell, you know, if there are significant changes they may find old alexander may think it's most Um Helpful to do kind of like a before and after this is where we were this is where we ended up and they sort of explain why But that's not necessarily going to be the format So i was thinking was to have a separate event that was a maybe a time other than 9 a.m Yeah, I was going to say I wonder if uh, you know, it's like for the committee at 9 a.m. And for the public at 4 30, you know Yeah And I don't know that we'll get fine gold there, but maybe We have craig there and the library director and us and you know can Although I don't know. I mean we do we do a certain. I don't know whether we would have I guess we'd have to talk about whether it makes sense to have fine gold come to that meeting or not With the number of meetings that we have and how we want to use those Okay Yes, I think there there's potential to have them do A presentation to other than say the design subcommittee or the library building committee, but like you said there are sort of limited times and limited They have limited resources uh each presentation takes a whole bunch of time to kind of prepare for So yeah, I think if we use that strategically that would be appropriate Maybe we have them maybe we do a virtual event With them presenting the the final schematics For the public meeting like that might make more sense in terms of use of their time like when we get to that point. Yeah, yes Okay, any other thoughts comments ideas This is a great, uh It's a great plan so far a lot of work since last meeting It's it's it's pretty clear and solid Cool So we do have three attendees In the public if anyone would like to make public comment and you can Raise your hand and we would welcome thoughts comments ideas anything you want to share We're open to love to hear it Okay Seeing none I think the last piece is topics not anticipated by the chair I don't have any I did a brain dump. There's nothing left So our next meeting we'll meet again in two weeks if that meets forever if that works for everybody that would be the 31st at 4 p.m That work great. See you then. All right. Thank you guys. I really appreciate everything and thank you Thank you. Bye. Bye. Thank you all. Bye. Bye