మరిలెర్, మరిసి మానిలియెరంకేంనినిసాపారరనిసిరిడిరం. And this can lead to social unrest and undermined economic growth. This is why poverty elevation in Nigeria is important because it can help to improve the lives of millions of people, boost economic growth and create a more stable and prosperous society by lifting people out of poverty. Nigeria can create a better future for all. So last week we got reports that the federal government recently dispersed about two billion out of five billion naira palliti package for each state of the federal, the federation and the federal capital territory to address the impact of removal of subsidy. Now this has posed an important question on the strategies being implemented by the government to question the effect of the fuel subsidy removal as well as alleviate poverty in the land. So today we are asking, referencing the palliti distribution, what are the sustainable strategies to alleviate poverty in Nigeria? Now please, let's hear what you have to remember. You can join the conversations and send us an SMS of what happens when you want. 80384663. Let me hear your thoughts of one minute and I'll bring in the comments. What do you think? First of all, do you agree with the palliti structure that is being put? Or do you think it can be done better? No, it can definitely be done better and it's just a short-term solution. Even if we were to call it a solution, I mean, if you need to understand the root causes of poverty and if Nigeria is saying that there is a serious partner to the UN or SDG goals, that's zero hunger, I don't think we're doing too good a job. I think we can do better, but we have to go to the drawing table and actually look at solutions that would work, financial literacy, education. I mean, there will be so much. It has to be billion palliters. How are you financing? Definitely, I still stand on the opinion that poverty is weaponized. And that only explains why you would get a pack of noodles and have rice and stuff and give it to people and believe that you're doing them well. These are things that they are entitled. You don't even have to do it. Put structures in place and people can provide that. 63% of Nigerian multidimensionally poor that is an alarming rate. And for a country that has so much resources, I don't think there's any palliative they would give or announce even if they reach 2 million people in one hour. I cannot clap for them because it's what we are entitled to. I'm not impressed. Suike Mesidefiang is a legal practitioner, geopolitical analyst, research consultant and communications professional and public affairs commentator. He's currently head of research at SBM Intelligence and Africa Focus Risk Consultancy a Nigerian foremost geopolitical intelligence firm based in Lagos where he manages a diverse research team that spans all Nigeria's 36 states as well as Ghana, Côte d'Ivoire, Cameroon and South Africa. He has had a long career in political blogging has acted as an outside consultant to four Nigerian governorship races has managed regulatory and compliance affairs as well as strategic communications for a number of Nigerians and international multinationals. Yes, we got the right candidate for this conversation because thank you so much. Wait, this is your first time. This is my first time in studio. Literally we've had interview since we started Waze in 2019 but this is literally his first time in studio. Thank you so much. We're honored to have you but we can miss it there. We've been waiting for you on this conversation and I specifically told on the lot that I needed someone that understood because again somehow we know your work. We know how far you've gone at your company to do a lot of ground work, a lot of research.  I don't want us to sound like we are attacking anybody. These are data. This is figures. This is numbers that they've given to us. And every time I hear a government announce that they want to give palliatives it just rubs me off from it like literally I cringe. Like do you guys understand that this thing is beyond rice and beans? Do you understand like there is poverty and if for anything, if we've never ever thought about poverty like people have been saying it that poverty is weaponized in this country. If you've never thought about it before, the events that have happened between the weekend or the death of whatever till this afternoon where there was a huge hot clash it tells you that there's a huge role that poverty plays in some of these things because you can only recruit people that they feel like there's really nothing for me. And one of those things that makes them feel that way is if they are poor. So just help me understand. You're looking through the structure of what the government has said about palliatives. What are your thoughts? And how do you think we can even come out of maybe raise our heads out of the water? You've asked a lot.  I know I've been a Zoom supporter for three years plus, but it's good to be in the studio. Poverty, I don't even know where to start to be honest. The thing we did palliatives process that first let's understand is a stopgap and even as stopgaps go, this is probably not the best that we could have done. We spent almost 10 times more rights to manage COVID for example and we didn't do a good enough job right managing the COVID pandemic. Then the primary challenge though that I have with this particular scheme is that as a researcher, as someone who deals with data especially as someone who goes out into the field and I have colleagues who go out into the field when we think about structuring a study or a scheme or any kind of field research, we think about what our target respondents is. Who are they? Where do they live? What do they do? How are we going to most effectively and efficiently reach them? And this is just us as a company just doing our own thing on behalf of clients. It's not clear to me from all of the communications from all of the governments so we get around the palliative scheme that they particularly know who these things are addressed at. They don't know their keywords. So how do you design something that is supposed to address a client present need that researchers showed us a plurality depending on the data you look at a majority of Nigerians are sealed by if you don't know who they are, and how you're going to reach out to them. No one has given us those numbers. The National Social Insurance Register which was only really built up in the light of the COVID-19 pandemic class I checked was about 1.6 million, 1.7 million Nigerian households which sounds like a lot but when you think about how many Nigerian households are out there it's really a drop in the bucket and that register was specifically built towards certain states and certain parts of the country yes the states that have the most need but then there's need everywhere and that's the thing about poverty in Nigeria and that's why researchers talk about multi-dimensional poverty which is that this is not just a situation of I don't have money in my pocket is that I don't have money in my pocket and I most likely don't have a job and I most likely am related to people that are in the same situation with me and so the prospects of me actually breaking out what's called the poverty trap is really really hard so it's not clear that the government has done that level of thinking first the announcement was a bit rushed it happened very early in the life cycle of the administration it's not clear that there were policy planners or they consulted with policy thinkers in this space where designing that scheme secondly the amount we are talking about are very small it's not clear how long the palliative scheme is going to last it's not clear how many people will be targeted by this even the distribution mechanisms the federal government may comment about them channeling those resources through the state government but very few state governments will try to come out to say what they are going to do we are seeing again like you said we are seeing the indomie and the half tuba of yam and the beans and how many cups of rice and so it just feels like more of the same and I think from a lot of what we are hearing and we do a fair amount of social issues research Nigerians are actually more frustrated with a slightly bad idea executed poorly than you are not doing anything at all because with the latter at the very least people would know okay you don't know what you are doing or you didn't do anything with the other you are demonstrating you have the capacity to address this issue but you are not addressing it effectively which is even more of an insult to many of these people and that's at the heart of all of the frustration all of the strife of the people living in the country and all of the insecurity really that you are seeing in the country the way I always put it is people who own businesses and own houses don't go and strike they don't riot they are not socially maligned it's people like you said who don't have a stake in the system who are perfectly fine with destroying what other people have because at the very least they are bringing you down to where they are is they thinking crabs in a bucket let's take a break right when we come back from that break I know Diola and Sansi have a question stay with us over right back alright thanks for staying with us now if you just tuned in we are discussing sustainable strategies to alleviate poverty in Nigeria and we have with us remember you can join the conversation ok so my question to you is how can Nigeria we know the problem so how can Nigeria leverage the vast resources we have in order to further a more robust economic solution because I actually feel that if we look at it from an economic perspective we are more likely to begin to see some way forward to say ok maybe if we put this kind of structure in place then we can you know it can work directly with solving poverty issues but not how would I say it ok let me stop at that alright yeah I think I have got a question I think the first thing is to have a very good plan and I know people get frustrated because here in Nigeria are very good at writing policy documents very good at making those announcements and all of those things but one of the fundamental challenges that all of those plans and efforts have had is that they have not had a lot of multi-stakeholder imputes so are you talking to people at the forefront of addressing poverty are you talking to business owners people that you expect to employ people which is in the end the most sustainable funnel to not only get people out of poverty but actually keep them out of poverty if none of us have jobs none of us will have an income to be in the mode so actually having a good plan that counts for all of the perspectives of every side of this conversation it's critical and it's important this is state government local government level civil society, religious culture institutions whatever it is I try to talk to people and figure out what is the cause of the problem poverty might be pervasive in Nigeria it's self differently right across the country so the average purpose in Lagos in many other parts of the country might be close to low and middle income for example so whatever approach you are going to take to solving the poverty situation in Lagos will be different from what you are doing in Aqaibom or Adama or in the north especially in the north I would argue so that's the first part the second part is what are the advantages that Nigeria has lots of people talk about our vast human resources what does that mean people talk about vast natural resources what does that mean for me personally and this is something that we've talked about a fair amount at SBM Nigeria has some very big advantages one is the cost of labour here in Nigeria is very very low we enter into various sectors at some of the beginning stages which is how every country that has ever developed in the world really started the second is what predominantly English speaking the third is a geographic location when the same time when we are in Europe we are not that far behind North America we are not that far ahead we are not that far behind Asia and the Middle East so we can be like the Philippines we can be like India we can be an outsourcing capital of the world the majority of Nigerians more than 60% of Nigerians are younger than the 4 of us who are sat here and none of us are really that old that's my assumption I can only speak for myself I can only speak for myself precisely so think about that the resources so if you pair that for example with a massive and a proper infrastructural development plan it means immediately right you can employ tens of millions of Nigerians to build roads, build rail build schools build all of these things out there right now there are many Nigerians who are in a position where they can't afford to be choosers I don't know if you guys have had kind of the same experience I've had where someone reaches out to you and they are like I'm looking for work and I'm like okay what kind of work do you want I'm like anything I'm telling you for the most part right in our circles have some education and none of that with a lot of Nigerians that are not in that position they can't pretty much do anything so with a well designed skills acquisition scheme paired to particularly for me infrastructure and agriculture but I don't think about agriculture the way our politicians do the way our politicians think of agriculture is give a tractor here give fertilizer here for example one big up we have in agriculture is the absolute lack of agriculture extension workers so people that continually coach and teach farmers this is how your harvest performs last year if you tweak year and year if you use the right mix of fertilizing weeding crop and pest control and all of that this is what you can do and this is something that Nigeria used to be really good at the International Institute of Tropical Agriculture in Ibaduan is situated there for a reason it's a world leader in agricultural research so we have assets already on hand that we can leverage you just need someone who is thinking broadly in a way that makes sense in a way that is systemic and it's crazy and in the end why lots of people including you believe that poverty is weaponized is because if you're able to hand people crumbs and people see you as the crumbs handler they would become dependent on you and that gives you a hold and a power over them and it's not sustainable in the long term because those people are very good friends they like to say there's a particular project that we did in 2018 or 2019 in our state and so Chetan and a colleague of ours were in a village not far from Lafia and he met someone who was this exact age born the same year born the same month born almost to the same week and he had three children two wives and the two wives were pregnant at the time and a person was a police officer so the question then becomes what is the plan for Nigeria for that five, six family household and the point is when you replicate that right across the country the average fertility of the average Nigerian is 4.6 4.7 so the average Nigerian woman will give her to four plus children in their lifetime so in essence our population is set to double in 25 years if we have a problem with providing for Nigerians now think of the Nigerians that are on their way right so it's a really really big problem as it were and I think in the end the one bit of optimism that I have is that clearly unsustainable so at some point the entire apocat will break right and something will have to be done the challenge is often times you can have change in a systemic and orderly way or you can have it violent and we chaos right if you and that is where the thing is scary when I saw that a police person saying that all the young people he did not say some he didn't say most he said all the young people in Shagam are all cultists but I was just waiting because like you said if these people do not take time to find a way to build a sustainable structure that alleviates poverty these kinds of violence it will the change will come but it will come violent sometimes let me come to you so interesting conversation so if I enjoy listening to you you talked about skill acquisition as one of the more realistic ways of poverty allegation now I am looking at the other side of it as someone who constantly walks the line between the super poor and the super wealthy right so I have been in situations where maybe the government works into some village and says here are 50 people skill acquisition I am teaching you to sew I am teaching you to do this and you are done learning the skills but then it's either you don't have the equipment to do that and you don't have the funds to handle that or they give you the equipment like maybe they give you a baker or they give you a sewing machine and you find out that you don't have the electricity so at the end of the day you have all those things packed in your house but you don't have the electricity or you can't afford to buy the gas so you were talking about the news price of cooking gas is about to skyrocket to 18,000 for 12.5 so for this skill acquisition how realistic is it as a more as a better option according to what you said realistic if you think about it in a holistic and in an intelligent manner the challenge is we've done skill acquisition schemes in silos we've just done it wrongly so think about what are the advantages that we have what kind of country do you want to build as a policy maker and then offer incentives the main thing that government does is to offer incentives and create the right environment for people to actually go and solve the problems the challenge with governance in Nigeria is that oftentimes the government either doesn't want to do a thing or if it decides to do a thing it lives entrepreneurs and all of that in the middle I was reading a newsletter this morning and the company that was the initial private sector partner for the national identity scheme said they lost 100 million dollars working with government so they don't want to work with government again so that just underscores the collaboration gap that exists on the governance side of things so the right thing I think is to create the right incentives for example as many intelligence right now we are advising a coalition of civil society organizations that are trying to figure out how to make non-profit sector regulation work in Nigeria and one of the chief complaints they have is that government is all good and great and they talk a good game but after all the meetings and after the seminars and all of that stuff they go behind the scenes and they write these really really interesting regulations that really only exist to protect their interests and to unlock the abilities of people to get things done so that's where sort of the mismatch is right so what's my very very very very rough draft of a policy prescription around this would be is to think about what are the things that we want Nigeria needs to be globally competitive right how do we pay that to the needs that we currently have we have to feed people, we have to house people we have to give them jobs and then begin to write up a policy that basically either gives people tax incentives if they invest in ABCDEFG priority areas and then lease the priorities right so that it encourages people that have money and are sitting on money to go out there and get things done a young friend of mine actually went to New York passion school and by the time she came back she actually I think at some point she wanted to even approach the government her state government because you see many of us are wearing anything about here Jonas my shoes are this is where I'm coming with this is where I'm coming with this is where I'm coming with ABBA has the capacity to become a a trillion dollar or even if it's a a gazillion dollar industry why because they've been able to even with the limited resources they've been able to replicate things that you will not believe that it is coming from that place do you understand what I'm saying so she saw what they did in New York for instance like in New York there are people that their speciality is just to fix this boat on this shit that's the only thing they do so it is a massive wealth like it's extremely expensive land all with machines some people is just to sew the zip on the dress some people is just to put the boat in everybody has put you see that value chain by the time they churn out all those apparel it goes to the stores in common do you understand so she was saying that why can't we replicate this thing in Nigeria because we already have the market enough like literally these guys are doing exceptionally well without even this mainstream machineries now imagine if you equip them with those machineries we are not only getting so we are now cutting off important clothes we are not only getting the right quality material we are also getting the right fit the right tailoring so if I tell you it's size 12 you are seeing exact size so it's not you know just equip them because they already have the skills you know tomorrow that in the non-city light yeah sure and I tell you what I've been thinking about tailoring a lot recently in fact I was having a conversation with friends we can use the fashion industry as a micro causing for entertainment for business for energy and all of that so it's two big things the first challenge that your friend has and probably run into was how land regulation works in Nigeria so one of the big things that we have to do for example in order to get people out of poverty right is to amend the land use act and this is something that's not very intuitive because many people don't understand it but think about this it's difficult to sell property in Nigeria it's difficult to acquire property in Nigeria because not necessarily because the resources are in there or the interest on both sides of the party are in there but that issue of governance concerns in big deal the issue of overriding public interest so you may have had land that has been in your family for generations and many people know it's an avenue of wealth because banks can lend to you on the basis of property you can use property to set up a company set up something from your own home especially if you are not renting because these days landlords in cities like Lagos and Abuja will tell you my property only residential and all of those things so land is a very important thing but you can have property in your generation and because the government decides they want to build something they can legally requisition it I'm just paying compensation and you have no recourse in it it's literally written in the books so it's a big deal countries like Japan and Taiwan basically gave farmers they basically told farmers people who have been serves for generations they basically said the land you will have for free but make sure productivity wise you meet so so and so target if you meet this you have access to more land loans at much more favorable favorable interest rates in some cases I think particularly in Japan how the local governments to then compete amongst themselves so some prefectures in Japan would offer scholarships to the kids of farmers that did well and the kids of those farmers where the people that ended up entering the factories of Toshiba and Yota and all of these places and all of these products that we now consume and that was how that cycle of development started and Taiwan did this China is doing this now Singapore did this the template is clear it's been done by many countries around the world Nigeria's problems are no unique there were parts of western Europe that in our grandfather's lifetime they were killing and stuttering themselves the way people got slaughtered for example today in Shagamu they figured it out we can figure it out it's a matter of keeping our leaders honest and accountable that's the big gap so basically leaders are indifferent or they have lack of poor prioritization the incentives don't make sense for them to deliver so let me tell you what for example China did China for example paired promotion within the communist party of China which is the only political party in China to delivering in your home district so if your home district or if your province was one of the economic stars you were attracting business people were in jobs your unemployment rate was low your education enrollment rate and your TMS scores were high economy growth was high you were guaranteed a spot of the next ladder Nigerian politics is not wired that way Nigerian politics rewards loyalty and longevity whether you work or you do not work as long as you are loyal to your what's he called your godfathers your good so it doesn't even encourage productivity as an economy it doesn't at all so if the incentives are aligned for politicians to get things done they will do it when we see politicians move and do things is because the incentives are aligned for them to do that you would always have a constitutional amendment exercise every year because the incentives are such that there will be a big budget there will be a big show I was the one who made these amendments happen and all so the incentives work for them they will do that elections violence so they are violent so it's not like our politicians are unintelligent and I speak to I talk to a lot of them but the thing is the incentives don't work for them to do the things we want them to do so that's the hard work that Nigeria has to do and it's going to take a while and it's going to adjust why I'm madly optimistic is that we cannot keep running Nigeria the way we are running it now indefinitely it's not possible there are two countries that have the countries that have done that are either too small or too insignificant there are a lot of Nigerians out here at some point all of the people that are slaughtering themselves when they've run out of people to slaughter people to kidnap and all of that we'll go and look for the people that have money and if the political class is the only place where wealth is concentrated in guess who will be the next target so do we want it to be through that approach or do we want to think smartly and coherently about how we want to fix this country and start doing the hard things to get there those are our choices that's a tough question I mean like now hearing you speak it's not like these things are not you're not far-fetched like us that were farmers now for research we have almost maybe 200 hectares of land now we see they wait for governor consent because by now if we had a proper documentation CEO would have gone to bank of industry giving us loan would have probably doubled all the machines on the farm you can anytime the foreign partners no you don't even brought the foreign partners we could have brought the foreign partners we are already milling the farm we just need a bigger milling plant expand the land but you see these things like that's what I'm saying that let me just wrap with this final question is there a wealth power with these politicians do they have the wealth power to really alleviate poverty truly bank on poverty to continue to govern because look at what is happening across all the African countries all the garbons because whether we like it or not if we get to that point this time there will not be any time to do any conversation and I don't like violence I believe that we can always solve the problem but do you see that there is even a wealth power to even get these things done sorry let me add to wealth power and the competence so you just made a hard question thank you and the competence because I think that's very important because sometimes it's important to also know that you cannot give what you don't have actually I can't think about it the competence bit is actually harder so as always as giving me wealth I think so the competence for the most part is there because the thing about competence is if you don't have it you can hire it and a lot of these guys at the highest level are surrounded with people often competent people who think who can be gotten at so competence can be gotten at the real question is the wealth power because if the wealth power exists even if the competence doesn't exist in the country you can't find it you import competence not people that import you go and find it and we've been doing this from time immemorial when the Japanese for example and I love doing this because the best book I read this year was which basically talked about how Japan, Taiwan China, South Korea figured it out and developed what Japan did was in the 1860s after the opening of they basically said who are the best people doing things who builds the best ships who has the best educational system who has the best political system and they went there and studied it and they imported them so the Germans trained the Japanese army the British trained the Japanese navy they learnt politics from the Americans so they basically crowd source so it's absolutely possible the question is wealth power to do this if we get to a point for example where king Things are militants in certain parts of the country say it doesn't finish it doesn't finish it's still not what you want to come back it will have to be back before we go and you show and when you show Africa you can interact with all the four other drop your message, like, share, comment we will bring the cover sit back now if you miss this quote here it is again quickly కినిచ్లినితకామిగిలి మ౪ెకంధకానానిగీందికిసంనాలెజెకికితినాతికింటుసికరియుగిసంవావి నవాచారంనటీవెనికికెకికిరికిల్లికి. sometimes it falls on a generation to be great you can be that generation let your greatness blossom we'll see you guys tomorrow at 8 pm us we'll bring another great conversation to your screen


లైటులు సురర్టిస్త్ధర్టివ్యో సుడిం మపుటవానూ హరన్నంవగానిక్్డోమిచారిం ఇరరోవాలి ఆబికోపెమేన్టికస్దావికన్ వా్యోటుడిక్సతా� I am Jagan, I am mostly working for Linux and maintain and forward boot and some few subsystems and I even work for Bill Dutronyakto. It is an agenda of this talk and the agenda is, I have described the agenda to start with the nutshell of view boot and keep on adding one by one and at the end I can detail explain what is the future plans and what are the mistakes we did. So the part 1 topic would be like a nutshell and the nutshell I can cover all the topics like a brief history and what exactly the view boot means and what was the source code, how you built from the sources and how the view boot has grown since from the birth to now and what are the boot sequences and what are the ideal tools for view boot right now using. Sorry, the history, it is a brief history like start from Vox and Dunks in about 10 years back and now it is moving to Tom Rainey as a master maintainer and now it is supporting all of the most of the architectures right now in our industry. And we have recent days of last month 2019.01, sorry it is not a mistake and we have a community like other open source community in the open source field and we very much follow the same strategy like we release every 2 months and out of the 2 months first 2 weeks will be a merge window for the new features and the rest of the period is for stabilization for fixes. So the same like any typical open source project like maintainers will send the peers and all the patches would be main line list. And this happened to be in the since from the last release and we have changed the release cycle to 3 months due to some request in the main list, now it is been changed to 3 months and 3 weeks merge window. These are the hardware support we supported till now and we have all of the most of the hardware or processors in the industry we supported even the RISC 5 in the recent U-boot versions. So we have many more developers and almost 10, 8, 3 different boards in the main line. So what exactly is the boot loader? What exactly is the U-boot means? Just say for example it is in the nutshell in the layman terminology a boot loader can be a first firmware loader after boot run and it will launch the Linux kernel or rainy applications. So that is a typical boot loader and in the starting when the process start U-boot results in something like a boot loader phase. Like there are some architectures from NXP, they directly boot the boot U-boot from the boot ROM. So the initial stage of the U-boot is something like this phase. Since it has been started there was information from the SOC loaders like individual SOC vendors from SOC like Xerings or free scale is coming with some kind of a SOC loader. They are not into open source at that time like that purely depends on a DDR configuration and along with some FPGA configuration those are not mainline yet are not been to any GPL license. So U-boot can taken care this part in 2014 or somewhere they come in with a solution called SPL. So the SOC loader can be upstream to U-boot. So the code of the SOC loader no part of the U-boot loader. So it can be terminalized as SPL like a secondary programmable loader. So in this stage U-boot can able to load all kind of a SOCs with different boot flows. And as U-boot has been growing further there was a there was an information like there was one more problem. It came up like SPL has some limitation since it's running from the SM. So SPL cannot fit all SOC related SM. So we came up with one more solution called as TPL. So if anybody wants less memory like K8K or less than 8K they should use TPL. And the boot flow is something like TPL and SPL and U-boot proper. So the year goes U-boot become U-boot proper. Though SOC loaders will become another stage boot loaders. This is normal build steps how to build a U-boot. And all the three different stages the boot loader source code is the same. The build system itself is changing a bit to build aspect to stages. And this is a typical U-boot tree. We just follow the same as Linux but with some kind of a commands for user interface. And as I told you like we have three stages of U-boot. And the build process starts with normal scripting. And it first it will boot the U-boot proper like in the left side there is 17 number. It starts with the U-boot proper. And the build step is moving towards SPL and it will build SPL images. And if the board supports other TPL it will build the next TPL images. This is a typical U-boot sequence from the power on reset. There was a global descriptor for the entire U-boot source code. Like what was the memory starting and memory ending. It is the framework for all the global details will be initiated in the initial stage. And it will look for initialization code like Bode on scoref. Where it is SPL or TPL or U-boot proper there are two different sequences. So if it is SPL or TPL it will allocate some memory and it will create some LED bug. And it will create a DDR memory. So the next stage boot loaders can use the same memory. But in case of this SPL the SPL will run from the SRAM. Now on the SPL you will find out whether it is U-boot proper or SPL. If it is find as SPL it will load boot mode device. Like if I boot from the NAND or MMC the respective NAND driver will load the respective images. So at the end SPL will find out there was one more stage called Falcon. I will describe in the later. If it is a Falcon it will boot the Linux directly. And if it is not Falcon it will identify whether I need to go for GD stage and whether I need to go for ATF or OPTI. Say for example U-boot proper. It will relocate the memory like since SPL is running from the SRAM while initiating DDR it will relocate by itself to the top of the memory so that the next image like Linux kernel can use the offset from the 32K. The U-boot proper sequence is something like a common sequence. That is why I have a init sequence underscore R where you can what are the configurations you enable in U-boot. All the configurations will be part of the sequence. And finally if it is auto boot it will boot Linux or it can come with U-boot shell. This is how the typical sequence. And we have a loading sources. Any kind of peripheral media source that can be useful here. And we have a simple debug printf and we have config dbeg and dlew. This is a llew debug information. It is very useful for porting the new hardware devices. These are typical tools that we are using in U-boot like a pathman for sending patches to the main list without concerning too much about what you are doing with a normal gate. And we have buildman like if you send a series of patches the buildman will build all the series with respect to all the architectures. And there was one more concept called packaging multiple images. Like I told you like three different stages of U-boot like U-boot proper at TPL and SPL. Each stage will create a different image. The buildman is useful to create one image from out of all three. This is how typical buildman look like. We need to specify the file output and some offsets. How it will load. This is a normal testing like we still use a travesy and test by a trace normal like anything. And the next part is image boot. First is a legacy boot like since from the U-boot starting we have booting the Z-image and U-image fields. But there is like it has a fixed offset and U-boot can it may have some U-boot format. So the problem with this image was like there is no flexibility and there is a problem with indexing and we cannot add some security features to the image. So there is no scope of the security addition. So we come up with the concept called fit flatten U-image and just like a buildman it will have a DT structure by specifying all the images. So in the images itself we can even specify the hash. So the single image can create while redundant for each and every security. This is how it is fit loaded. And we can even expand the fit complexity like we can even add multiple kernels and multiple DTVs and even the RAM disk. This is a special feature that works mostly in the servers and we can even add the bit file like FPGA so that it could be part of the single image and even we can add ATF for the ARM64 and we can add opt-in if anyone want to run from the trust zone and if any of the new image type you can add it. And the fit extension is a verified boot like how I can add a fit image with a security. It's like a software security. We need to create a public and private keys and the public key we need to go put it on some trusted source and private key could be part of the u-boot. So on the verification process we can decompress the public key and u-boot will verify the same thing. This is about in case of software security we need to pump the public key to u-boot DTS so that u-boot verification process will identify the public can create the hash and it will boot the proper hash if it is good or bad. And this is a real security like I have tried in the MS6 at the same stage but in case of u-boot DTS I need to flash into a fuse. So during the verification process I can compare the hash from the fuse and I can u-boot can validate the image. This is a pure security from your point of view and this is encryption. The main difference between the signed image versus encryption was like I need to create an image with a payload like if I have a u-boot image once I create an encryption it cannot become a normal u-boot it will have adding some assets by encrypting the image. Since IMAX comes with some kind of OTP during the decryption it will get the OTP and it will validate the security so the decryption process will allow in the u-boot like this. And the ATF stage this is what normal u-boot flow and we need to add ATF on top of the SPL During the ARM64 boot flow SPL will go to the ATF and ATF will run some SIM code and to move back to the u-boot proper. And this is the opti flow like I can add opti on top of SPL so even there are two different kind of use cases even we can load the opti after SPL and u-boot and even load before loading to Linux and we can load after u-boot proper and this is opti use case in the ARM v8 like I can load SPL, ATF and opti is normal and even I can load by combining this in case of ARM v8 as I said the Falcon boot there was a concept called Falcon where I can skip the u-boot completely and I can boot the Linux from SPL so this can be used case from boot time optimization or something so the skipping doesn't mean that you need to skip the u-boot we need to configure the Falcon in the first stage of u-boot so you need to go and drag run to u-boot and create the Falcon and the board next time will boot from SPL to Linux this is how we calculated boot time with respect to Falcon we ended up with half of the boot stage and in 2017 we added something like a u-face support since most of the accessories ARM v8 is coming with u-fi so u-boot come up with the v-fi boot by specifying some kind of u-fi image if you want to boot a BHD image u-boot can boot it from there directly there was a nice documentation about this if you want in one Lexis and there was a boot ops like how we can pass the command line arguments from the u-boot but the problem with the main boot ops like it's board specific we need to have a different kind of a language with respect to all the board configurations so we come up with a concept called a distro boot like a distribution boot by default so it can be default for all the distributions like we cannot take any board specific logic here this is how u-boot xt-linux 1.6 look like and the next phase like u-boot features the first one is a k-config and I will describe all the features that are built from the scratch to now so the first stage is the k-config at the u-boot starting point we didn't use the k-config so it was a normal build steps so in 2014 we ended up using the k-config look like a linux but since we have three different stages the k-config can be categorized into three different config files each config file for the each stage and we even add the ftt support like we can reuse the same dtb for u-boot since the same thing using from the linux so even we can specify the dtb and we can build the u-boot with dtb this is like a normal dtb flow and we have some specific use case for the dtb nodes like we always sync the dtbs from the linux if you want any dtbs or nodes properties with respect to u-boot it could be part of some u-boot.dtsi file this is how u-boot.dtsi file look like and there was a requirement from the linux I wanted to change the dtb node by moving to linux before I need to change something to some property disable becomes I need to do it like enable or something that in u-boot before going to linux by using lib ftt so I can grab the node and I can go to the node and traverse to the node and I can update the node if I wanted to update the node the problem with this is like we need to traverse the entire tree and there was a problem with the speed and we need to rebuild the sources again so we come up with the concept called live tree like instead of pointing to the offset I can pointing to the pointer to the particular node so I can directly go to the pointer to the node and I can update the dtb property this is how live tree look like this is a sample code for how we can write a live tree and we even add ftt overflows like overlays like there was a hats hardware on top of like raspberry price if the dtb on the particular board or hat is not in the mainland they are coming up with a concept called overlays so we even load the overlays by means of fit as a manual this is how we have a overlay dtb and this is how we can load the overlays dtb like the load address I can specify the code dtb file and the nest asht with the overlays dtb so it can take the overlays and it will boot the linux this is how we can boot the normal overlays in the manual manner the next concept I like like a driver model and this was introduced to make more features to the view boot I just keep track more the initial stage of view boot we have a drivers like calling the function calls from the board so they are not redundant they are ended up with we cannot use the multiple controllers with the same flow so we have a problem like direct function calls multiple there is no scalable and difficult to maintain so we ended up concept called driver model look like this each device has a hard device and along with the driver and there is u-class so say for example I have a spy flash I have a spy flash device from the dtb and I have a driver like if it is a controller driver it could be a gink controller and u-class is the core this is like a homogenous with respect to the linux device model the linux device model has something like we can have a device type bus type the very category is based on the device topology but here all the all the devices are homogenous like each and every device has a driver and u-class this is a simple modular but there are some issues with SPL if you want to use in SPL you need to bear some size the beauty of this driver model is the lazy initialization in case of bootloader you don't need to initialize everything like what linux does initialization whenever I need I can initialize it in u-boot console so this is a typical driver model we have all cpu driver models like if it is a cpu I wanted to get the information the u-class underscore cpu and if it is a ddr driver I have a u-class underscore ram and if it is a shared memory I have a driver concept called u-class underscore smm if it is mbox I have a u-class underscore mbox and if it is a RTC this is like how cpu driver model look like and this is a power driver models all the driver models will fashion something like this same like each and every driver we have a u-class driver with respect to controller drivers and there are some core core concept like a clock we set pin control all this categorizing into something like this so we have a generic pie driver and even pin control and we have peripherals like serial u-art spy flash and gpo and ethernet all the fit into the same category of the u-class flow this is how typical u-boo driver model look like I have written a driver like jink underscore q-spy it is a controller driver and this u-class driver is a core this is how we can pass the operations and we have one more layer like a Linux so the u-class can be parent to the other u-class and it can be child to the other u-class so here block is u-class and it is a child for u-class underscore mmc and we have u-class for block is SATA SCSI and NVMe this is how we can interact with u-class and this is a u-boot usb u-class framework we even handle peripherals and everything and we have since I told you like if you use FDT we can have a restriction for the size so you can skip the FDT by concept called off-and-score platform data this is something like a legacy Linux platform device I don't want to use a device tree but I can use driver-to-node by using this device installation this is how we can upgrade the u-boot firmware we can use a device firmware and we can use a fast-boot even UMS and if you want to port the new hardware we need some kind of prerequisites like setting up the size and we need to know what serial you are using and you can use this this is how we can port the new hardware we can concentrate on the respective config files as well as with DTS files there was a nice presentation on this in detail presentation in the ELC 2017 if anyone want you can refer and this is how u-boot look like with the three stage boot loaders first it starts TPL and return from the boot ROM it will start from the Linux and the MMC SPL and it will again go to the MNC and it will start u-boot proper this is how the typical future plans if anyone wanted to participate in these areas it can be easy and this is the conclusion and thank you any questions about x86 support we would be used as a holder in the parametral and virtual machines even we have x86 boards Maribaud and we have nfx86 even we have a acp support in x86 only if there is you and me you can also load u-boot as a ps in qaml it is there to define them when i want to put in typical device device sorry i didn't get you i didn't get your question you need to specify the device from where you want to boot like i told you in the FDT overlay you need to specify the core device and the hash and you can specify whatever device you want to boot it is up to you you can also specify the standard in the boot configuration thanks questions can you explain a little bit more about the upcoming future upcoming futures would be like we are in a stage of removing all the legacy drivers like moving towards driver model so that can be a future plan again i can say because since it was started driver model has been started almost 3 years back so we are we are we already place a margins like milestones for each and every driver subsistence to merge otherwise the respective board will be removed from the main line so our initial goal for starting phase 1 goal would be move all the driver models has to be include files to find yes that is also one more plan i just described on the k k config migration the config which are very annoying the config which are not for that you need to refer the config underscore white list the config which are not in the k config there have been listed in that config file more questions thanks


Good afternoon, friends. It's theCUBE live day one, coverage Google Cloud Next 23 from Moscone South. In sunny, I think, San Francisco. Lisa Martin here with my new co-host, Dustin Kirkland, CUBE analyst. Great to have you, Dustin. We've got an alumni back. We always love welcoming our alumni back. John Purcell is here, Chief Product Officer at Do-It International. Great to have you back. It's been a few months. Nice to see you too. And Dan Ferguson is here as well, Director of Strategic Partnerships at Glean. Great to have both of you. Excited to understand what Do-It and Glean are doing together. Perfect, thanks for having us. So John, let's go ahead and start with you. Public Cloud, Hybrid Cloud. Every customer is on a cloud journey at some different stage. But when we know that cloud is, and especially public cloud, here we are at Google, is really a key element to a really solid, successful IT strategy. But what do businesses need to know? What do they need to do to leverage public cloud really well? So it drives business outcomes. Quite often, they under-appreciate the complexity associated with that because the value in the cloud, of course, with speed and agility and competitive edge are clear, they're well understood. But something happens along the way where you realize that there's an operational overhead associated with that. There are, you encounter hard problems. And if you don't pay attention to those very quickly, things like cost, for example, just run away. And you find yourself in an operationally spot of bother, which is really why do it exists as a company. We founded the company on a couple of basic principles that our goal is to have companies focus on what they do best, focus on delivering the advantages they aim to achieve in the cloud and then help them with an integration of humans-based advisory and consultancy services coupled with advanced technology and the combination of those two things and the expertise to know how to apply them well can really set you on your way to achieve really why you chose to go there in the first place, which is how we came first to meet Glean. Dan, give us a little bit of a backstory on Glean so the audience understands the type of business it is, what do you guys deliver to customers? Yeah, so Glean's an AI-powered workplace search application and simply we help people find what they need across the workplace with all the different applications you use, all the content they are using, even all the people that exist inside of a big organization. The number one complaint that we hear from companies is that it's very hard to find things, to get their jobs done, right? I'm sure you guys are nodding, you agree? Yep, yep, yep. It's a very, very common need and people have tried to solve this with different search approaches before, but no one has really created the Google for work so that you get that same experience as a consumer does when they have a question and you want to know the population of California, you don't need to go into a library and look it up in a book anymore, you just Google it. So we're bringing that exact same experience into the workspace. We can act up all the applications to a central place where employees can go and search for information and find the answers they need really quickly. And the legacy of the company is actually our founders spent more than a decade at Google itself and so they were working on search and its infancy along with all the other great products that Google's brought to the market and our founder, Arvin Jayne, went on to co-found another company called Rubrik after that and as Rubrik grew from about 1,000 to 3,000 employees rather rapidly, he kept hearing in these poll surveys, I can't find anything, I don't know who to go to for questions and productivity was kind of flat lining even though he was adding more employees. And so for a search engineer to hear something like that, obviously it doesn't take him too long to go and get a really good team together and start to approach this challenge and yeah, we've been really great to work with Do-It to help us build up our posture around security and our posture around the cloud because when we're talking about creating a search index of all the company's information that's permissions aware and there's a lot of kind of sensitive and external content that we want to make sure that we're keeping a close track of. Someone like Do-It is an expert in the cloud phase that can help us skill up, has just been super valuable and has definitely helped us to accelerate as we've built everything on Google and we're continuing to innovate alongside Do-It on there. What are a few of the key Google Cloud products and technologies that you depend on you build around? And I think we use just about the entire Google Cloud stack, things from the data flow to Cloud SQL, everything is living in a project itself that's running all these services, single tenant. So there's quite a lot of compute associated with clean itself. I should call out most recently, we started to invest in building Vertex AI and the POM models into our product so that we started with this search platform and it has a knowledge graph underneath it of everything that I can see at work versus what you can see and the activity associated with all that. But with that knowledge graph in place, we can start to bring in these generative AI models and then give people this experience that they're really looking for. I want to talk to a bot at work, I can ask you questions, it knows everything that I do or I should know and that it can bring me back the information so I can go and get the things done I need to do. We want, we have that expectation in our daily lives that we can just go on Google and find anything immediately and if it's not fast enough, we turn, right? Google doesn't have that problem but from a company workforce perspective, you mentioned this, that can have a huge impact on negative impact on productivity which can have spiraling effects to revenue, brand reputation, et cetera. John, talk a little bit about some of the challenges that Glean had from your lens that Duet really came in and said, we got this partnering with Google and Glean, we can really dial down the complexities here and allow you to leverage public cloud in a way that's really effective. Sure, yeah, so Duet, I think over the years as we found ourselves working a lot with companies who are poised for growth or are sort of transitioning through that significant growth phase and Glean was in that exact position they were a perfect partner for us and I should share that we're actually a heavy users of Glean within the company so we see all of the advantages that Dan was describing but Dan touched on the broad catalog of Google services being used across their solution which again makes them a perfect partner for us to really work with. We spend a tremendous amount of time making sure that the people who work at Duet can stay ahead of the cloud technology, can keep up with the evolution of services and tech, especially this year with Gen AI sort of emerging as a real sort of practical use case and so the advantage of that is we can work right where the specific problem space is happening at these companies. Of course it's wrapped in a cost optimization sort of consideration and of course that's most often what companies want to start with but when we're making decisions around scalable architecture, secure deployment of applications, we find ourselves covering the gamut of use cases there and we did so with Glean. Yeah and we were lucky to work with them because we've grown rather rapidly. When I joined in October 21, I think I was employee 40 or so and now we're well over 250 and so being able to have someone that understands the cloud and how to leverage all those services, it can be an advisory role, has been awesome as our team grows and especially like our cloud team grows out to manage all the infrastructure and then I should add on the other side we got listed in the GCP marketplace through the partnership and it was really good because then we're not just impacting the engineering side of the house but then also the go-to-market side can really understand the value of the cloud and how to sell into commits and how to create kind of unified billing situations and so that's been really good to our partnership. Did you guys start with a phased approach and if so what did that look like Dan? Well I think because our team, there's so many engineers that came over from Google, a lot of them knew the products that they could pull off the shelf and put into the product at the right point. I'd say probably the phased approach that we did was building search first and then building generative AI capabilities on it. That gave us a really good, we were lucky that generative AI came out and we were perfectly positioned with search and these knowledge graphs built at each company but then being able to almost go into a war room style situation where we're taking our best engineers and best product managers, literally locking them in a room and saying we need to build a generative AI solution that comes out in June and so being able to rely on the experts that do it to make sure that we're using the resources and using each of the services, one to the rest of the ability but two in a cost efficient manner was very important because we breezed quite a bit of capital from some tier one VCs but we're certainly in the mindset of being capital conscious and making sure that our money can go the long way throughout our journey because situations like this come up and we can build but then if we have someone to turn to that can help us, it just makes it go that much further. And that's critical, right? Being able to extend that. Yes, and also being able to, it sounds like you have the ability to scale almost infinitely between having a partner like do it and Google Cloud behind you as a startup. I mean, that's not something startups 15, 20 years ago were blessed with necessarily, right? Yeah, and when we started out, right? The cost to run Glean within a GCB project, the compute was quite significant, right? We could see it be up to 30, 40% of the actual cost of the product itself. And so companies needed to understand that they were getting something valuable through Glean and they were willing to pay a little bit extra on Google Cloud to make it work within their instance. That's come down quite significantly as we started to use different services at Google as just to optimize our costs as well as leveraging things like Kubernetes. And so then we can get to that infinite scaling situation where we're working with very, very large telcos and broadcast companies, which have hundreds of millions of documents, if not more, and we're able to build that into an index that is reasonable with the kind of level of effort and the level of value that they're looking to get at a productivity project like that. Yeah, I think you get the sense from talking, listening to Dan, right? A very sophisticated advanced user of Google Cloud. And this is a perfect type of relationship for Duet to build with a customer. We work extremely hard to ensure that when a company like Glean encounters that hard problem where they need a little bit of help to your point, Dustin, about infinite scale, that we're ready to answer it and we have accuracy and we have the correct answer and we can go co-pilot the answer to kind of deliver that scale they're looking for. So it's been a productive relationship. Sounds like a very symbiotic relationship. We thank you so much for joining us. Sharing with us. I get the name now, Glean, right? When you said the search, I'm like, I get it. That's a fantastic name, but great synergistic, symbiotic partnership between Duet and Glean, really enabling the workforce to be so much more productive and of course powered by Google. Guys, been great to have you on. Thank you so much for coming on theCUBE. Thank you, Lisa. Thank you, Justin. Our pleasure for our guests and Dustin Kirkland. I'm Lisa Martin and you're watching theCUBE. We're about to take a short break, but we'll come back with more great content for the rest of the day. And don't forget, keep it right here on theCUBE.net for all on-demand content. SiliconANGLE.com was where you come in all the editorial. We'll see you in a few minutes. You're watching theCUBE, the leader in live tech coverage.


from Miami Beach, Florida. It's theCUBE, covering VeeMon 2019, brought to you by VeeM. Welcome back to Miami, everybody. This is Dave Vellante with Peter Burris and you're watching theCUBE, the leader in live tech coverage. We go out to the events, we extract the signal from the noise and we're here at VeeMon 2019 in Miami at the Fontainebleau Hotel. Raj Parimal is here. He's the CIO of Ducks Unlimited, Canada-based wetland and waterfowl conservation. Great to have you on theCUBE. Thanks. Did the keynote yesterday? It was awesome. You guys were talking about some of the things that you're doing, we're going to get into that. You made a great statement.  Yes. You know, to explain that. That's pretty sure. So most people are very familiar with Amazon Rainforest, right? When you think about saving the planet and saving the environment, that's where everyone's mind, their eyes go to, right?  So that's why we say they're the kidneys of the earth. Yeah, and so talk a little bit about the trends in the earth. Yeah, absolutely. It's been very challenging, right? I mean, despite the great work that you're doing, you're still, you're fighting this battle, which sometimes might feel unwinnable, but give us the data, yeah. Urban expansion, right?  We're constantly building more cities, more parking lots, more everything, right? So wetlands are getting replaced with various things, same thing, you know, with various resource mining, et cetera. Wetlands go away. So what Ducks of the Limited likes to do is adopt a no-net-loss policy. So what we do is we work closely with governments in various provinces across Canada. So if someone destroys an acre of wetlands, we can try and restore maybe four or 10 acres for everyone destroyed. It's better not to destroy it in the first place. Yeah. But if it's going to happen, restore it somewhere else. One of the stats I saw is you've done 12,000 projects since you started this in the 1930s, 163.5 million acres that you've preserved. And, but as I say, still, the wetlands loss is enormous. Is it not regulated to the point where public policy can help? Well, there's policy and there's law. And when it comes to Canada, there's policy and there's always exceptions. So what ends up happening is, yeah, these policies that say you can't do this, but then there's exception, exception, exception, exception. And usually corporations can get away through some various exception and actually get through. Ducks of the Limited helped pass the law in Quebec not too long ago. So we actually have it in law in Quebec where it is actually being supported. So the old adage that if you can't measure it, it doesn't get done. That's right. One of the most amazing things about some of these digital transformations is satellite imagery, other types of weather and related data are making it possible to track topology in unbelievable minute detail.  That's right. You've got to be able to use this technology to both enhance your mission right now, but also be able to show over time how things are changing. Have I got that right? Yeah, that's absolutely correct. With climate change is an example, and yes, that's a real thing. With climate change, you're measuring that we want to keep data like over 30 years. And that's where we actually see true change. We're just talking about, you know, five, 10 years. That's just weather. That's not climate change, right? So we need to keep that data. So yes, we have a whole GIS department geographical information systems where we have satellite imagery, drone imagery of Canada going years and years and years back. We have to keep all of that data and we can never get rid of it. So what does this mission have to do with Veean? Sure, absolutely. So with all of that data, GIS data is very imagery intense. So think of it like X-rays or CAD. So takes up a lot of space. So we have to back up that data. Every map has layers and layers and layers. So it's almost like a Google Maps for the environment. You can think of it that way. We run something called the Canadian wetland inventory. It's the largest inventory of wetlands, mapping of wetlands in Canada. And we leave that as open data so anyone can access the data and use it. So we use Veeam tobacco of that out. And also to maintain our disaster recovery and so on for all our different operations. That's just one aspect of our operations. Another big part, and you talked about the 12,000 projects we're doing. We started a division called Conservation Technology which is all about using technology to monitor the wetlands. So putting internet of things sensors out in the wetlands, gathering that data automatically through satellite and cellular networks, analyzing it with artificial intelligence and machine learning. Once we have that, we can get those insights, give them to our scientists or PhDs where they can, the big minds can go and crunch that and go and look at it and go, okay, this is what's happening in the world. We need to back that data up too. And once again, going back to what I said before, we need to keep that data over long periods of time so we can actually see patterns and figure out what's going on with our planet. Do video on the ground as well?   Do you, are you capturing video on the ground? It changes the floor and fauna. Do you see that as useful in the future or is it just, it's just too much data or not as useful to sort of deploy those kind of cameras? I would love to be able to capture all of that data real time. The problem with that is is in Canada our internet infrastructure is quite poor in the rural areas. In some places, you have better than dial-up speeds. That's it. So unfortunately, we can't bring that data back. So a lot of the times, we can't capture the video, but where we can we do. Yeah, okay, but you are putting sensors there. And so talk more about that data. What are you doing with that data? Does that come back into a cloud? Yeah, so we put that into cloud, Microsoft Azure, where we analyze it and do that AI machine learning and then spit it out from there. So we are in the hybrid cloud. So we have some stuff internally, some in the public cloud, a little mixture of everything. That's where Veeam comes into play. So I had a couple of questions. One is on the data source side and one is on the data sync side and starting with the data sync. Certainly climate scientists and others, folks who are looking at geopolitics and other types of things are taking this kind of information and they're using it as a source for even more complex and advanced applications. Are you seeing communities evolve and emerge and evolve in response to the availability of your data? Absolutely, people are clamoring for more though. Everyone wants real time data. A lot of our data is manually gathered at this point with people driving out to a specific project in the middle of nowhere, gathering the data manually, driving back and then uploading it because that's the only way we can do it. So absolutely we are seeing people wanting more use of it and making use of that data but they want it live, they want it right now. We kind of live in an instant on society, right? But once again, the challenges of rural areas are kind of the tire hands. Well that was my second question, are do you see an opportunity to do crowdsourcing of video or other types of information? Absolutely. So is that becoming a way and are you using artificial intelligence to start taking an extended number of data sources as people go out and take pictures of ducks or whatever else it is and then ingesting that into your system, does that become part of the flow? Yeah, absolutely. So that kind of takes us back to the 1930s when ducks first started. We had the Keeman of old that actually kind of stewarded their local areas for conservation. So absolutely we can use crowdsourcing in this day and age and it's something we want to explore. We're not doing it yet, but we're getting there. How was your data pipeline? Your data, 1930s, you know, the data model in 1930s is a lot different than it is today. You know, the keynote speaker today talked about the sort of bending of the innovation curve and how the next to whatever 20, 30, 40, 50 years we're going to see more change than we've ever seen before. We'll see. But the data model that you guys are doing, I mean, at least in the last 10 years you've seen new technologies come out, new processes. How are you evolving that data model? It's more like data models for the very slanted business because we do so many different things, right? But essentially what we're trying to do, the big thing is keeping it all connected, keeping it all in sync, implementing things like master data management. We're a big partner with Dell Boomi, for example. So we leverage them to move our data back and forth between all our systems, et cetera, while Veeam backs it up, right? So I would say it's hugely important to be continually pushing the envelope and how you move data, how you synchronize data, how you authenticate that data and verify that data, especially in science. You want to make sure that it's not being tampered with. You got to make sure that the data is consistent and true. Raj, how long have you been in this role? Oh, at Dexon Limited a little over two years, but in the industry over 25. So Veeam at Dex preceded you, is that right? Oh, see, you brought it in. Talk about that. Why'd you bring it in? What was going on before? Maybe tell us the before and after. Absolutely. So I used to actually be on the reseller side of the business. I used to be a CIO for one of the larger IT consulting companies in Canada. And during my time there, I brought Veeam into the province of Manitoba and spent a lot of time with various different customers putting Veeam in various different projects and company types. So lots of exposure to the product. So when I came into Dexon Limited Canada, already came in knowing what was possible and gave the existing backup product a shot because I didn't necessarily want to rip and replace everything on my team with a CIO coming in in one. New sheriff. But when it wasn't doing exactly what I needed it to do, we decided to bring Veeam in and the rest is basically history. Talk more about that. I mean, what was the business impact of bringing it in? Oh, sure, absolutely. So we were before Veeam, we were spending over 40 hours a week just administrating backups. You know, it was taking up a full. 40 hours a week? Yeah, easily, yeah. We have large data sets. And so as I was talking about in the keynote, with those large data sets, if you're doing a backup or a restore, especially a restore, if it fails, you could blow a day just trying to get that data back. And so you've lost a day. So that's how you easily end up losing that much time, especially with an organization where we have 27 locations across Canada. So in 500 staff and 4,500 volunteers, all accessing this data in some way, shape, or form. So by removing the Veeam, all those tasks that we used to do before just worked, Veeam always says it just works, it's true. And so what ended up happening is stuff that was taking the team a week, all of a sudden it was taking them minutes, like literally minutes, and it's unbelievable. That FTE, the full-time equivalent staff member, all of a sudden becomes freed up to do the work I was talking about in conservation technology in other areas. We're directly impacting science on the planet, so a lot more fun than just supporting regular IT. So that 40 hours was arms and legs of the team, how large was the team? 16. So 6-0. 16. 16, okay. 16-19, that's. Okay, so 16, pieces of 16, which a lot of times when people hear that, they're like, oh, it's going to reduce jobs, I don't want to talk about that, but these guys must have hated that job, the 40 hours that's been doing the most. They mind them and work, right? So. And it's interruptive. Yep. And so now they're doing a lot of funner stuff, right? So that's what they're doing. What are they, what funner stuff are they doing? So absolutely. So once again, being involved directly with conservation technology and our IoT play and all of that AI and machine learning research, all the sexy stuff in IT that's happening now, right? So they're very happy. Pretty interesting IoT use case. So how, I'm curious as we've been watching various companies come in and announce their grand IoT strategies and say, okay, we're going to bring this box to the edge or whatever. What are your thoughts on IoT, the edge, all that sort of buzzwords? How do you look at it from a practitioner and a customer standpoint? Sure, it's very much like building a mobile app. So everyone says we need an app for their company, right? They don't know why they need an app, they just say they need an app, and then they go and build that app and then nothing happens with it, right? And it all fails. IoT is much the same way, Internet of Things, AI and machine learning is all the new buzzwords, but then you need to understand what you want to get out of it in the first place. Like where are you trying to go? What are you trying to do? What are you trying to accomplish, right? And then if IoT fits that, AI and machine learning, if that fits that, then great. And if it doesn't, then don't waste your time. That's my thought. So specifically what's your IoT strategy? What can you accomplish with Edge? Absolutely. If we can get instant live data streaming into the cloud and actively analyzing it on the fly using cloud services like Azure AI, machine learning, their IoT hub, et cetera, or even Amazon services, a lot of different services out there, if we can do that on the fly and feed that into the Canadian wetland inventory that I was talking about before, we are using open data initiatives, we can now feed data to the planet about what's happening real time to academia, to governments, et cetera, so they can make decisions with evidentiary based statistics, right? Right now it's very hard this is why the fight over climate change, people go, oh, there is such a thing out and people go, no, there isn't and this happens because there's not enough data available to the general public, right? So by having this open data and making it available to the general public, not just the scientific communities, I think that would go a long way to helping get support for these causes. That's awesome. Change in the world. What are the skill sets you need to achieve that vision? Is it data science heavy? Can you sort of outsource some of that? Or is the tooling simplified enough now? It's a little bit of networking, a little bit of data science, a lot of GIS and just a lot of old fashioned networking and talking to people, right? So that's really what makes up the team and allows us to do what we do. Are you hiring data scientists? Not at the moment. No, we have everyone we need. So the nice thing. But you have data scientists on staff. Yes, exactly. Because even before the IoT thing, we have scientists on stuff that do just that, right? It's just in the traditional sense before that. So did you sort of create that role? Take somebody who's good in math and computers and stats and say, hey, you're the data scientist now. Go do some training and make it happen. Or did you actually hire in a data scientist? We actually created that role. So we have numerous people that feed different aspects of that. But the main man that's actually running that for me is a right hand man, Andrew Pratt, my manager of IT. He started as a biologist that became a GIS guy that became my manager of IT. So he has a little bit of experience in all these different areas. And he's like the perfect person to run the conservation technology division for us. Cool. So yeah, and he's here today. Oh really? So what do you think of the Veeamon? Have you been to previous Veeam shows? Yeah, most of them actually. Really? Yeah. Oh, that's awesome seeing the CIO crowd hang out with all us backup wonks. So thoughts from the show, takeaways? Oh, sure, absolutely well. First of all, if anyone isn't using Veeamon, they should be using it already. Like, I got to say that right now. So many people waste their time like picking and choosing and humming and hawing. Just use it. It just works. So please do that. You won't regret it whatsoever. Veeam's done some really great things. I love the announcements with orchestrator and version two there. And some of the good things that are coming with the restore plans and the scopes, et cetera. That's fantastic. So I think there's a lot of great things that Veeam's bringing to data management and availability. Yeah, so they've made a big deal out of sort of being able to do restores from the backup corpus, not having to go to a replicated chunk of data. That's right. Why is that important for you and will you take advantage of that? It's just the speed. It's just the speed. So I don't have to bring it back from another place, right? It's instant. Yeah, okay. So then you're going to use that other place for disaster recovery or, you know, just a second copy for adjusting case. Yep. But you've got basically a local copy that you can bring back instantaneously. Okay, great. And I presume that supports your sort of compressed RTO and RPO. That's right. Which is, as long as they've been in this business, they've shrunk and shrunk and shrunk. Yep, that's right. How do you guys shrunk the RPO? Great, okay. I'll give you a final word. Kind of cool stuff you're working on, things you'd like to see our industry do better. Do you pick it? Sure, cool stuff we're working on. So talking about what we're doing at Ducks and Limit with IT and really kind of changing the shape of IT and how it's involved in science. And I talked about, you know, the wetland inventory, that live data, et cetera. If we can build a model like that here, imagine what we can do across the world, right? And I'd love to take that model and take it to other countries where they can do the same type of work so altruistically and share that data, that whole open data initiative so other people can go and save wetlands. If we can get everyone working together that way, I think we'll all be better off. That's awesome. Raj, thanks so much for coming to theCUBE, sharing your insights and your experiences. Appreciate it. Yes. All right, keep it right there, buddy. We'll be back with our next guest. theCUBE live from Veeamon 2019 from Miami. We'll be right back.


What's up everyone today is Monday another day in quarantine So a couple things I want to talk about before we get started on today's topic is if you are new to trading Now is kind of the best time to get into the market and educate yourself So what we've done for you guys is we opened up one of our head mentor Tosh's cell phone numbers for you guys His number is two one three four five eight five nine nine seven You could text them directly about trading any questions you have if you had a good day You had a bad day question about my C questions about stocks text him and he will be the guy to answer It's not an algo. It's not a computer. It is literally physically Tosh text him only do not call him His number is two one three four five eight five nine nine seven so today is Monday guys and Monday historically is my worst performing day in the stock market This is because on during the weekend. I find myself so excited to get back to work guys Number one thing about trading is if you do not love it if you are not obsessed by it If it is not important to you will not be successful. I love the stock market guys. I love my C I love helping people so weekends are actually torture for me Although I do love the mental reset it's torture because I cannot wait to get back to work I feel like I'm not alive Unless I'm at my screens or I'm helping people it's either and doing both at the same time is really good for me It just makes me feel like the void that I have has been missing, right? So it's it's it's filled, right?  So What I always say is this Your process for the day always starts the day before right it always starts the day before so let me give you an example today's Monday We had Saturday Sunday off from the market So what I like to do personally on the weekends is it is my time to relax? I still sneak in some work.  So I need to give myself a mental reset So this weekend, I don't know what happened I don't know how it was but I felt so so so much more refreshed than usual I took some extra time to myself. I Took a nap in the middle of the day. I was eating good. I was feeling good I was like watching TV money. I was basically doing whatever I had to do to clear my head and flush out my head And it's been a really long time since I had a weekend where I felt like wow, I feel mentally clean I feel I have so much energy. I feel like I'm good So this mental reset over the weekend really helped me out It really helped me out although I find myself not taking enough vacations or not taking enough time off the weekend is forced time off to refresh and I think it's essential so Coming into today. I had my mental My brain was wired completely to the right way, right? I was Focused and I was not stressed. I had nothing that I had to worry about my mind was clear And I was ready to trade so my process now the night before was taken care of now We talk about what happens in the morning off this morning. I woke up at 5 a.m. market time Which is 2 a.m. Bow time So I woke up at 5 a.m. Because I was excited to get to the desk I'm excited to be there what I do is I always look at the low hanging fruit I always look at the stocks on friday that ran that tank that I am looking to short today so One of the main ones that was running was cei and apt cei tanked hello cei tanked Uh on friday, so if it popped at all today that was going to be a top watch for a low hanging fruit trade Codex was a stock that popped after hours on friday This is a former runner with a lot of bag holders in it and a lot of dilution So that was one that I was watching as well Apt was one that ran up again on friday and started to look like it was going again today So this morning I had apt codex as cei on watch from the previous day So cei didn't pop Codex I couldn't find a borrow apt was the one that I love. So what I do is every single monday I put out a free video watch list for everyone on youtube and then I put This video watches for members every day or every other day So today if you go back to this previous video on the mic youtube channel You will see my video watches where I say that my ideal entry on apt is a push towards 17 Or if it goes red to short it when it goes red This morning I set a fantasy order at 1699 a penny under 17 It hit my fantasy order, right? It hit my fantasy order while I was looking elsewhere I was busy looking at ino Looking at I'll explain that trade later, but I was busy looking at ino I saw my fantasy order hit I looked at it top tick the stock and then I add it to my winner The stock apt went from 17 to red 1580 and then down to the 14th So how do you even miss the 17 push in the watch list? The watch list also told you that if the stock goes red you can short it So you had two possible trades from the watch list that was free on youtube, right? To make your money So apt was a home run trade for me, right?  I already had my trade planned ready All I had to do was set my order and wait for it to hit if it did not hit on to the next But if it hits it's almost like free money like I hate to say it But like it's almost that easy, right? It's almost that easy So that was apt Let's talk about ino So ino is also a coronavirus stock The difference with ino and apt was this Apt already ticked pre-market So I was basically just waiting for the bounce on that to short whereas ino was still climbing pre-market So for me what I always tell people is the same thing Wait for the stock to top out and then short the bounce On ino, I think pre-market it hit a high of 875 or 880 and it went down to 850 So my plan in the morning was to short a I think it was an 860 push and an 870 push I short 859 and I short 869 a penny under those key levels Basically what I did is I waited for the stock to top out, right? It went up it topped out dipped down and then on that lower high is where I shorted it So I couldn't get size I only got a thousand shares because I was using a tenth of my position pre-market based on my rules But that's still tenth of the size gave me a stress-free trade guys And that's the point that I'm trying to give you is that every single day We are pre-planning our trades every single day.  We like to plan We like to prepare We like to set our fantasy orders and we like to wait for them to execute like a professional trader We don't hockey and hockey out. Bye. Bye. Bye. Listen to what some guy on the microphone or text message is saying We are making a plan. We are focusing on our process And every single day we do the same process the same routine over and over and over again On friday the same exact process yielded to a 200 dollar day Which is basically a scratch for me But today all I did is the same thing again and it led to an eight thousand dollar day So you cannot be discouraged if you have a small day or a losing day or a big day But ask yourself do you have a repeatable process a repeatable routine that you could repeat? That you could repeat every single day, right? And if the answer is no It's probably time to start learning and educating and that's where the title of this video comes in from Is it the right time to start investing in the stock market?  I'm not an investor I'm a day trader But what I know is this it is the right time to invest in your education It is the right time to Start while you are at this quarantine while you are locked down while you physically are not allowed to leave the house or go to work Why don't you learn Something or why don't you start to educate yourself on learning how to make money?  The stock market is not easy You will not get rich overnight. You will not be rich in a month. You will not be rich in two months But if you put in the work And you devote yourself and you watch the videos and you you actually take this seriously Treat it more as a job And not gambling. I guarantee you will be successful So that's it guys. That's kind of what I want to talk about also another thing is this remember as day traders We are professional athletes. We show up every day and we are athletes. We have to be conditioned. We are not Supposed to be in the top physical shape I'm definitely not in the top fucking physical shape But I am in top mental shape because trading is a game of being mentally sharp If you have a fight with your girlfriend If you have a fight with your kids or if you have a fight or you're dealing with Mental struggles or whatever it is you should probably take the day off from trading But what I like to advise people is this Record your trades record your screen do recaps like this Even if no one is watching it do it for yourself because as a professional athlete I go back and I rewatch my footage every single day If i'm done rewatching my footage i'm watching vows footage every single day Because again, let's say you're playing football and you're a professional Wide receiver You're probably going to go back and look at your footage every single day to see what you're doing right and what you're doing wrong And how to improve it So while most people are wasting time watching netflix while most people are wasting time smoking Weed and drinking alcohol we are here consistently showing up to the market and making money guys This process is about being consistent It is not about sizing 50 000 100 000 shares 200 000 shares options this this that futures that Show up to the market every single day and make $100 a day That is making 10 cents on 1000 shares right 10 cents on 1000 shares If you cannot make $100 a day you will not be able to make $1 000 a day right so start with making $100 a day Imagine bow said the best What if you had someone hand you $100 a day for working one hour a day?  I don't know Anyway, let me go the other way So let's open up to q&a guys Um, I want to kind of talk about my trading today But now I want to open it up to you guys because I want to make this as interactive as possible Right, so whatever questions you guys have put it in the comments here or leave it here and I'll start answering them If all of this stuff is making sense, please leave a like on the video as well I see the like counter go up and it shows me that you guys are understanding what I'm talking about Sorry, it's getting hot as shit.  All right guys time for q&a. So this is gonna be an open q&a All right, if you guys have any questions, leave it in the comments here and let's go through it together guys Remember ask yourself this if you lost more than 200 dollars today to trading It's probably time to start investing in your education learning how to do this consistently guys Because if you literally i'm telling you man, i'm telling you these days college is like 50 grand a year 60 grand a year For 200 dollars a day you are going to learn how to make more than a doctor a lawyer an engineer combined But that is only if you put in the work guys. I am here 15 hours a day even when i'm making $8,000 a day I am still putting in the work So if a guy like me who's been doing it for six years is still putting in the work How can you that's been doing it for six minutes expect to beat me without education All right guys, let me catch up with some of these questions now I'm feeling a lot better. Thanks for asking How many hours a day did I study in the beginning?  While got filled correct So what I like to do is I like to set my orders and then as soon as they fill I like to set a stop When you are in a trade and start to stress when you think you could beat the stress and get back calm So I talked about this a lot and I'm not going to spend a lot of time on it But I was working with dr. Brett steam barger who is the best trading coach in the business And what he taught me is this he said that when you are stressed in a trade Use that as your trigger to tell you that you are in the wrong trade So these days whenever I feel stressed in the trade, I automatically realize that I am wrong and I get out bow said Instead of playing xbox all day learn how to trade. This is the best video game I've ever played in my life. I could buy real skins and real life Not just an xbox character invest in your education one year of mic membership They teach you how to trade for the rest of your life guys How much can you be successful if you trade only in the afternoon? Well, a lot of long biased traders make money between 10 30 a.m. And 2 p.m. So if you are a long biased trader, the afternoon is where your edge is Can you share some of your personal trading goals now? I remember once you said you want to be an eight figure trader and that meant trading large caps Is your focus now at m i c m ic is excellent by the way So yeah guys, let me let me kind of answer that what my current goals are Um To be honest guys My goals these days believe it or not is very simple I want to wake up in the morning And do two things one. I want to walk away From the computer without stress And I want to be able to look myself in the eye and tell myself that I follow my process If I do both of those things if I follow my process and I walk away stress free That makes me happy Because what I've realized about myself and what I've realized about my strategy or my personality Is that the less stressed I am As a human and as a trader the more money the more creative the harder I work So if i'm sitting at the desk for eight hours a day 10 hours a day being stressed trying to make an extra thousand dollars I know that I would rather not make that extra thousand I would rather be stress free and that to me is worth $10,000 and that's the point guys If you are trading and sticking to your process if you are trading and you are Stress-free consider yourself a winner Because to me what I've realized is if I stick to the process The money is going to add up anyway But if I am stressed that is going to pour into my real life and that is going to fuck everything else up So my goal every day as a trader is to be less and less stressed so that I could perform better and better Does that make sense guys? Any more questions guys? Alex what is your hello? How are you? Alex what is your Why why do you want the money after six years to be able to take care of my family To be able to take care of my friends to be able to experience all the luxuries that life happens To be able to be free and do whatever I want to be able to never look at the menu at a restaurant for prices Guys, I'll work my ass off so that I could be free That's the same point. Do you not want to not worry about your mortgage? Do you not want to worry about your car pay? But do you not want to worry about college education?  I still don't feel like i'm successful I still feel like I have a lot of work to do. I still feel like I am just getting started I feel like this is just the start of my entire journey as An adult So I don't feel like i'm successful yet I still have a lot to do and a lot to improve on and i'm just excited for the journey Any more questions guys? Can you please talk about scalping low hangers or it's holding for home runs and why scalping is the best approach? okay, so The problem is when people go for home runs, they are likely being greedy What I've learned about myself is every single time I go for a home run I end up losing money guys I end up losing money if I go for a home run, but if I take my money and walk away, I am successful At a casino when you are green It is designed For you to stay longer at the Tables because the longer you stay at the tables the higher odds you have of losing money So for me, I relate that to trading, right? So I feel like if I am still trading if I am still at the desk I have higher odds of losing money So whenever I make money I walk away guys I take the money and I walk away and you should be doing the same because if you're going for home runs If you're going for these big picture trades Sure, maybe it works one time out of 10, but at the end of the day It will not get you to where you need to be I want to make the most amount of money with the least amount of stress and trading from 9 30 a.m The 10 30 a.m has yielded so many results and I am not complaining So I'm going to ask one more question and then I'm going to wrap it up Is for those that are not in m i c for those that I've not yet tried it Why have you guys not tried yet? What is stopping you and for the people in m i c What do you guys think of it in this chat right now? So other people understand More questions coming in It's that big. It's amazing. We're so much the best gold So many people ask questions that we answer in daily at m i c.  I think problem is people are lazy A lot of people don't want to put in the work If I told someone if I told someone that all you had to do was work your ass off every single day for a year And then you could become consistently profitable People would do it the problem is is that they join they don't watch any of the videos and they wonder why the hell they're not making any money Guys, I put out a video watch list today for members and non-members and only three or four hundred people saw it Okay, those three or four hundred people just made thousands and thousands of dollars on apt guys And you're thinking you know better and you are too egotistical to not try it out for a month So be it we'll continue to make money So any more questions guys, I'm going to wrap this up Again guys, I am the one that replies to all your youtube comments I am the one that is here every single day with bow and tosh and everyone putting out content so that you guys can learn so please Please put in the work and you will be successful Again, if you have any questions hit us up at two one three four five eight five nine nine seven Thank you guys for watching and I will see you tomorrow during bow's instagram live later