But Jesus was fully divine and fully human. Fully divine and fully human, okay? I'm not fully divine. I know that surprises some of you. But I am fully human, but I am partially divine. Because I know Christ. In 2007, I know exactly the month that this occurred. In 2007, there was a conference to deal with bad doctrine. There was a conference to deal with bad doctrine infiltrating the church. As a matter of fact, I even remember in the commercials that were ran to advertise this, and it was gonna be held in different places, but there was a local church that was gonna host this. But there was a song, you all remember the song, The Voice of Truth, tells me a different story. Well, that was kind of the song that was played on the commercials advertising this, telling people to come out and support because sound doctrine is important. What's interesting about this is that the host church and the host pastor was Gateway Church in here in South Lake, Texas, that was hosted by Robert Morris. Robert Morris and other pastors were calling out people like T.D. Jakes, people like the Creflo Dollars and the Benny Hins of the world, and the Joel Osteings. And they didn't just call them out just kind of in generic fashion, they called them out by name, playing even clips or talking about them, even kind of in the run-up. And so it's interesting that the very same person who was kind of spearheading it, or at least in the middle of it, is now one of the ones who needs to be called out. I guess the old saying is if you can't beat him, then join him because he certainly has. Robert Morris has a huge influence. He has one of the largest churches in America. Some messmen say that about 100,000 people either attend or watch or listen to him each weekend. Now, I don't know what the numbers are, I don't know how they come up with that, but a lot of people do watch him. He has a very large church, and an influential church here in the DFW area. In a well-to-do area, as a matter of fact, Southlake, Texas, that's high cotton. It's not the poor part of the Metroplex. And so to see what's happened to him as of late, and I shouldn't say as of late, but really over the last, I don't know, 10, 11, 12 years, it's almost as though that after this conference in 2007, maybe 2008, 2009, 2010, he kind of started changing his attitude. I don't know, was it something financial? And the reason why I'm bringing that up, because you never can know a person's heart, but he has a fixation on money and ties and prosperity. We're gonna get to that in a little bit, but I wanna deal with the pastors that he said, or the video that he just played in the intro. I wanna play it again, because it kinda sets the place for where we're going. But Jesus was fully divine and fully human. We all agree on that. Jesus was, as what they call the hypostatic union, even though it's not in the Bible, but we believe that Jesus in his incarnation as earthly ministry was 100% man and a 100% God. So we agree, but the wheels fall off in just a second. Fully divine and fully human, okay? I am not fully divine. I know that surprised us, some of you, but I am fully human, but I am partially divine, because I know Christ. Now, where do we find that passage that would state that somebody is partially divine because they know Christ? Or for any other reason, what human being other than Jesus is partially divine? There's just no passage. There's a reason why he says this, though. There is a reason why he says this, and this is not just some guy who opened up a shop, some storefront church and just happened to grow because he was ultra charismatic. That's not him. This particular person is an educated man, was at one point in time well respected. Now, he's got a large following, and I think what tends to happen is you find what kinda grows your church and you keep going with it, or you see what else is happening in other people's churches, and then you use that same technique. That's why I say it may be one of those homes if you can't beat them, join them. Because what he's saying right off the bat, guys, is without question, blasphemous. This is heresy. You are not divine in any way, shape, or fact.  Nothing about you that was pre-existent, that's eternal, in order to be divine, you have the, one of the qualifications of divinity is eternality.  That's not him. That's not him. As a matter of fact, we know he has a beginning, and he might actually have an end date. He may actually have an end date, and I mean spiritually speaking. So we know that's not the case, and it'd be difficult to look at the passage because there's no passage to combat because he doesn't cite a passage. The closest that you can find when people say that are you not all gods or we're guys, but that wasn't, we won't even go over that because it's the sake of time and we just know how foolish it is to even bring that up. But I wanna go into really where he's leading. There's a point, there's a path that he's on, there's a point that he's trying to make, and there's a reason why. Every time there's a heresy, there's a point to it. They are, they have an intentionality behind their heretical statements. Because it is to do what Paul says that they're gonna be these itching ears, and so it is to scratch or to tickle these itching ears. And so he's gonna do so, but he's gotta kind of set the stage, set the table in order to do so. Here's what he's gonna say. Emmanuel means God with us. But I wanna give you a little, a surprising fact that is literally theology 101. Now his theology 101 is not actually theology 101. Let me answer this question to David Krusek. Could you be someone's son and not share in his nature? In our case, we're not natural sons. We were adopted into it.  And then you find out, hey, well, he was adopted. Well, that's the reason why. We were adopted. We are not natural. There's nothing divine about it. That's probably not the point that he's trying to make, whatever. But we don't take any of his qualities except what the Holy Spirit presents through us. And even then it's failed, frail, it's flawed in us. As Paul says, there's nothing good that dwells in me. Save the Holy Spirit. But that's the Holy Spirit in us, not us in of ourselves. Amen. I mean, this isn't theology 201 or 301 or 401. This is 101. But a lot of people don't realize this. Even though Jesus was fully God, he completely laid down his divinity when he was on this earth. So he says that he completely laid down his divinity when he was on the earth. Also, now he's gonna go into it and we're gonna look at the scriptures right along with him, but that is not the case, that he completely laid down his divinity. In other words, at some point in time, Jesus ceased being God. He ceased being divine. It's gonna be hard to be divine or not be divine. I'm sorry, it's gonna be hard to cease being divine, lay that down and then bear the punishment on the cross that he is soon to take. But let's let him finish it and we'll go to the scripture that he's talking about. Completely. So that he could be fully human. Now, there's a fallacy there. First of all, we don't know what it's like to be divine. So to state in order to be fully human, you've got to divorce yourself of your divinity. Well, where's that at?  This is him pontificating, but rest assured guys, there is a reason why he's doing this. By the way, can any of you all guess why he's saying this? There's a point to him. There's a method to his manner. Can any of you all guess why he would even say something like this? If you wanna know how he did the miracles that he did, the Bible tells us he did them by the power of the Holy Spirit and his personal relationship with the Father. That's how he walked on the water. That's how he opened blind eyes. You know what that... So that's how he did. Now he's gonna make this point that the power of the Holy Spirit, and there's some truth to what he's saying, but there's also some twists into what he's saying, but that's how Jesus was able to do so. So he was no longer divine, but he was able to accomplish these things because the Holy Spirit was working in him. Okay? That does for me, it gives me hope. And let me just prove it to you in scripture. Philippians two, verse seven says, he gave up his divine privileges. He took the humble position of a slave and was born as a human. Now I want you to notice how he's reading this. I think he's at reading the NLT. And if that's what the NLT says, well then that part of the NLT needs to be scratched out because that's not what it says at all. He says that he gave up his divine privileges. Well, let's go to, and I don't have a problem with the NLT, I really don't, but let's just go to the passage in Philippians two, seven, speaking about Jesus's humility. As a matter of fact, wait a second, let's just start in verse five. He says, have this attitude in yourselves which was also in Christ Jesus, who although he existed in the form of God, so existed as God did not regard equality with God to be a thing of the grass. Why? Because he is God. But he emptied himself. Now this word emptied himself. He, you can, you make this leap to say that what he emptied himself was his divinity. No, he did not empty himself of his divinity, but what he did, what he did, necessarily have to empty of some was his glory. And the reason why I say that is because in John 17 he's praying back to the father to give me back the glory that I had, but was there no glory in him? Well, no, because John also tells us that we beheld his glory, the glory of the only begotten son of the father. So he's, there was some glory in him. So he was not totally or completely emptied of that. To what degree we just don't know. We don't understand the mechanics. We don't have the math equation to figure this out. How exactly to what degree? And really truth be told of what completely was he emptied of? We just don't know. There was something, but he didn't tell us. And there's a good reason why we don't need to know. We could again, we could not, we're having a hard time understanding earthly things as Jesus says, but the heavenly things we certainly cannot. And so we know that someone says use the King James version. How about I do one better and use the Greek? So going back to what he says, but he emptied. This is the word that's used here. Outon echinocin, which is but himself he emptied it. And he taken the form morphine, which is so he, so he brings up the form of a servant. La Bon, which he was taking that form. Now, interestingly enough, this word here is La Bon. This is the part of simple. So what he was doing was he was actively taking on that form, meaning that was him holding that form together. It wasn't thrust upon him. He didn't go with no, this was him, this was a, let's go back to the scripture. This was an heiress active part of simple. It was, it happened in the past, obviously, but it was him doing it. It was a, it was a continual thing. And he was the one doing it. It wasn't done to him. It was him that was doing it. And he was taking on the form of a bond servant and being made Gnomonus, which is an heiress middle. So the being made part, I want you to see this part. Gnomonus, this being made. Well, who made him in the likeness of men? And because it is a part of simple, it was continual. Well, who was doing that? Well, he did that. How could he do that if he were not divine? If he had laid down his debinity, he could not do that. Mr. Robert Morris, this is not that difficult. It, at least a man of your supposed status, you should be able to get this. Because it's the middle voice, it's him doing it to himself for the benefit of himself. So to say that he divorced himself of his divinity, no. Now, did he divorce himself of some of his prerogatives? Many, did he choose to subjugate himself in that fashion? Sure, he did. He did. And what he also stated was that he can pick it up at any point in time. He can do and say and behave however he wanted to. That part should be understood as well.  If I want to call a thousand legions of mine of these angels, these angels serve God. Well, they, I couldn't call them to serve me as he's having this conversation even with the enemy or with those when he's about to be crucified. He couldn't make a statement like that because only God can do that. Angels serve God. They don't serve human beings. They benefit us. They serve God for the benefit of us, but they don't serve, they don't serve us. You can't command nor can I command an angel to do anything. God does. Thank you, Rach, I appreciate that. Only God can do that. So let's go back to what he's saying. Being, being to prove to show you how he did miracles, watch this. Now remember to keep it just so we can make sure that we have somebody saying, he entered himself so much so that according to him that he was no longer divine, that he was all human. Because according to him, his rationale, he's stating that you can't be 100% God and 100% human at the same time. Says who? Well, it says the human being who can't get this right. And we're gonna see some other things that he's gonna get wrong to. He's gonna butcher the text. And when I mean butcher, I mean butcher it grossly in just in just a little bit. So you're supposing that you know what it's like for Jesus to come in this form, but you have no basis. There's no way, there's no way, there's no way that you could understand. David says, so divinity could experience death. Well, was he God? Was he God? Is he God? Has he always been God? Yes. But you're thinking of death in the sense that you understand it, the way that we understand it. But he didn't cease to exist because the breath that was in his body, think about this guys. And maybe sometimes we need to stop looking at Jesus the way we look at ourselves. He's not like us. Because what were you doing at age 12? I'm pretty sure you didn't turn water into anything unless you put some Kool-Aid in it. You didn't turn it into anything. But Jesus on his own can turn into wine. Jesus, all he did was simply breathe his last breath or he said, gave up a ghost. That's all. Did he exist? Sure he did. He tells the other thief today you'll be with me in paradise.  So he never ceased to exist. Did he leave that shell, that body for a moment? Sure. Did that body ever see corruption? No, it did not. Who caused it not to see corruption? He did. So he still existed that very day and went somewhere and did something that no one else could do except God. Are you with me? So when we say could he die? Well, no, not like we. Not like we would do it, but he's different. So let's go back to it. His point is that he ceased being divine for a reason. And because he was no longer divine, he was no longer divine, but he was a man in the flesh. He needed some help. And he's making this point guys. I don't want you all to miss the point that he is trying to make. Yes, Acts 10, 38. And you know that God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Spirit and with power, then after he was anointed, Jesus went about doing good and healing all who were oppressed by the devil for God was with him, even though he was God. Now, I want you all to notice what he said. I may have to back it up a little bit, but did you catch what he said in the passage? I'm gonna put it back on again and I want you to catch how he said that. I want you to notice what he emphasizes. Matter of fact, he has it underlined in his text and then let's see where he's going. Down his Godhead. The Holy Spirit and with power, then after he was anointed, Jesus went about doing good and healing all who were oppressed by the devil for God was with him, even though he was God, he laid down his Godhead. He became a human. This encourages me, but it also causes me to respond to the message I shared two weeks ago where we need the anointing of the Holy Spirit. And to ask you this question, if Jesus himself needed to be anointed by the Holy Spirit to live as a human in this fallen world, how much more do you and I need the anointing of the Holy Spirit? If Jesus himself did not do one miracle until the Holy Spirit anointed him, how much more do we need the Holy Spirit in our life? It gives me hope. Now, I'm gonna go back, I want you to hear his point again, but he seems to be making a good point. According to that text, the Holy Spirit anoints him, then he goes and performs miracles, performs wonders. And so if Jesus needs the Holy Spirit, and he's quoting Acts 10, 38. So if Jesus needs the Holy Spirit, the anointing of the Holy Spirit, in order for him to do these wonders, do these works and so forth, well, then certainly we also, who are in the flesh, who are actual born humans, we need it as well. Probably, there's a couple of things about the text. One, and I'm assuming that he's probably thinking about when Jesus goes before John is baptized and the Holy Spirit comes upon him. Maybe that's what he's thinking of when Jesus was anointed with the Holy Spirit as though Jesus did not have the Holy Spirit before that, because if that's the case, again, we've got this, and we don't have a lot of miracles to go off of in regards to Jesus' life prior to this, because the Bible doesn't speak a lot about that, but what it does speak about is two things. One, his birth, which is clearly of the Holy Spirit, which meant he had the Holy Spirit. Two, the wedding where he changes water into wine, and his mother seems to understand that he's got this ability. So it's not as though that on that day, Jesus got in contact with the Holy Spirit for the first time, no, sir, but he makes another critical error. And I don't know if it's intentional or not, but let's go back, let's put the passage back up again, and let's look at that passage. And let me just prove it to you in scripture. Philippians two, verse seven says, he gave, I'll show you how he did miracles. Watch this, Acts 10, 38, and you know that God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Spirit and with power then. So he emphasizes then, okay? If that's the case then, it seems that's what happened. Until we go to Acts 10, 38. And again, I don't know which passage he's, which translation he's looking at. I'm gonna find out which one it is, and then I'm gonna just, maybe, maybe I'll be against that translation. Maybe I'm gonna have a crusade against that particular translation, but let's go to Acts 10, 38. And where we're gonna look at, obviously it's going to be the Greek to see if this word that he's focusing on, if he's highlighting is actually there. You all can gather since I'm making this a point. It's not.  So here, what's missing? What's missing? The word then. Now it's not there in the NASB. It doesn't matter. The NASB, NLT, King James Version, ESV, what have you. The translations aren't the authority. They are secondary to the Greek. So let's go to the Greek and let's see if this word then is there. So here we go. We're gonna go to the very end of that part. And then we have this word, haas. Excuse me, Delfen, he went. This word haas is a pronoun. But look what it's referring to. Whom, that's who or which or what, that's Jesus. Jesus went doing good. What is missing? The word then. Now that wouldn't be a big problem. And I don't have a problem, honestly guys. In this case, I don't have a problem with the NLT even having that word then. Because then might not necessarily be put there to say that it happened afterwards. Or it was a cause and effect. The Holy Spirit came pointing anointing him, then he was able to. That's probably not how the translators of the NLT were trying to use then. But the problem is, he's trying to use it that way. He's trying to use it that way. And all he has to do is just simply look it up. The word then is not there. So his point falls apart. It's not that Jesus needed to have the Holy Spirit in order to, Jesus is God. He could at any point in time use his godly prerogatives. How do I know? We'll ask Philip. We see him using his godly prerogatives all throughout his life. Or the parts that have been attested to us in scripture. But again, there's a reason why he's trying to do this. There's a reason why he's trying to, by the way, by the way, Jesus himself has always attested the fact that he is God. John 8 tells us. John 8, 8, I mean, John 8, 24. Unless you believe, if I just dropped to it really briefly, John 8, 24, unless that you believe that I am, you will die in your sins unless you believe that I am. And go and make. So he attested that. Then in John 8, 58, the famous, before Abraham was, I am, then you asked the Jews, why do you want to stone me? Which good works that I've done.  So wait a second. The Jews have it better than Robert Morris. They say you, a man, call yourself God. What did Jesus say? I'm not a man, I'm God, or I'm not God, I'm a man. Nope. Both of those? Yes, sir. I'm good with both of those because that's the truth. Jesus never denied that he was a man, nor did he ever deny that he was God. Because it's true. And I understand it might be difficult for us to get that. But guess what? We're not, we're not God. We're not even good, we're not even good versions of men. Can we just be honest on that point? We, me and you, we're not even good versions of men and women, mankind. We, we're probably the best that mankind has to offer in terms of representation, but that doesn't mean anything. If we were to be, if all of us were to go on display to some, if there were, they're talking about aliens now, there's some alien race, and they want us to represent them. They would just leave shaking their heads. That's what the human race is like. The best of us, as Paul says, at our best, it's like filthy rags. Our righteousness, our very best. And so maybe we need to just stick with the scriptures, Mr. Morris. But again, there's a reason, there's a point that he's trying to come up with. There's something that he is trying to tell us. There's a reason why. Because as he says that, if I'm a man, if he's a man and he needed the Holy Spirit, well then I need the Holy Spirit to do what? There it is, to do what he is doing. Remember, he's a prosperity preacher, but he's also word of faith. He's more and more word of faith. And he believes that we, as he says in his book, that we can have our best life through the power of the Holy Spirit. So we submit and do things in a course with our best life. But he also necessarily has to preach though, that you need the Holy Spirit in order to do these things. Well, okay, fine. If that's what you're preaching, okay, fine. I don't have a problem in and of itself, you saying that I need the Holy Spirit in order to have a blessed life. Now, I'm not the way that he's saying it, which is funny because his blessed life looks awful lot like Joel Olsteen's, your best life. It's just like Joel Olsteen's best life. I've heard parts in excerpts of it and so it's just like Joel Olsteen's best life. That's the part that's interesting. The very man that you called out in 2007 or eight, six, the very one that you called out, you write a book to rival his. Again, if you can't beat him, join him. And you need to have the power of the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit is what you need. Well, okay, well, fine. I have the Holy Spirit. No, you don't. According to Robert Morris, no, you don't. For as yet he had fallen or baptized, immersed, none of them. They had only been baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus. Then they laid hands on them and they received the Holy Spirit, okay. Now, what he's doing is he's going to go through passages to try to demonstrate that people can be saved and not have the Holy Spirit. So where does he go? He's in the book of Acts, which we know is not a prescriptive book, but it's more descriptive. There are some things that we're told to do in Acts, but in this case, the falling of the Holy Spirit. Jesus, just for reminders, guys, Jesus says to his disciples, he tells them in Acts 14, 15 and 16, he's getting them ready of his death and then what's gonna come, the Holy Spirit. And you have this Holy Spirit, you're gonna be my witnesses. Now, two things have to happen. One, we need to make sure the word gets out so we gotta spread the gospel. And then two, there's a generation, a nation that needs to see a sign that the Lord is also saving them. This mystery needs to be revealed as Paul tells us in Galatians. What is this mystery? That even the Gentiles can be saved. So what does Jesus say the order is going to be? He says, first, you shall be my witnesses in Jerusalem and Judea, then in Samaria and then to the rest of the world. So let's break this down. Jerusalem and Judea, those are the Jews. On the Day of Pentecost, who receives the Holy Spirit? Those Jews in Jerusalem and Judea. Then next, we see those Samaritans. And then after that, we see the rest of the world, which would be the Gentiles. So we have the Holy Spirit coming down. Obviously the Jews are gonna believe that the Jews can receive the Holy Spirit. They're Jews, after all, they're the first ones to receive the Holy Spirit. They were Jews. But the Jews and the Samaritans don't get along. So if the Samaritans come back and say, we also have the Holy Spirit, the Jews are gonna like, no, you don't.  As a matter of fact, they were commissioned and sent by the church to go down to there because Philip was down there. Philip was a Hellenistic Jew. And so they're not gonna believe him. So they're gonna definitely believe Peter and John. And at Peter and John, the Samaritans receive the Holy Spirit. That's what he's quoting. It's no longer like that anymore.  If you have the Holy Spirit, you're saved. If you don't have the Holy Spirit, you are not saved. We're gonna go to those passages, but let's go ahead and finish letting him say what he's saying. And let's just, guys, he's wrong. There's just no way to get around. He is just wrong. Okay, let me just remind you the title of message is receiving the Holy Spirit. Many, many believers have been saved in water baptized and have not received the Holy Spirit. Let me ask you something. Did you receive Jesus as your Lord and Savior? And the way he's saying it leaves a lot to be desired in terms of did you receive him? But I'm not gonna fight that point because I understand. I understand the point that he's trying to make. Did you receive him? I received Christ into my heart. Well, he came into me because he's the one that regenerated my heart. But I won't fight that, but that's just kind of the way that he, and actually I think that it really is his view that God, you come on in. I'm gonna go ahead and submit and let you come in. That's his view, okay? Because in his world, we as humans have more power than what's actual. Yes or no? They would help me because I pastor all of you and I'd like to know, okay? All right. Did you receive Jesus?  Yes, okay. Why would you not receive the Holy Spirit? Why would you not say to him, I want you as well to lead me, to guide me, to help me, to direct me, to help me be the husband and father I need to be? I receive you, Holy Spirit. And obviously it's because we think we've already received him. When we receive Jesus, we receive him. That's what we think. Okay, well, that's true. We'll receive him. That's what we think. Well, because that's true. That is true. Now, what he's preaching guys, the reason why I would say this is, what this really is, it's a dangerous heresy. He's a nice guy, educated guy, but the problem is people will succumb to this. More and more people need, more and more people need to hear the truth juxtaposed to this lie. Matter of fact, you can do them in favor. You can do me in favor. If you don't mind, I don't ask this much, go ahead and push the like button so that way you too could cause other people to also hear this, because I want you guys to hear one of the leaders in this movement. I want you to hear how his words are easily broken down.  Let's go back to what he said. And I understand that when we get saved, the Holy Spirit does come to live inside of us, but Jesus wants to baptize us with the Holy Spirit. Anoint us with the Holy Spirit. Now watch what Paul said in verse two. This is paramount to our message this week. He said to them, did you receive the Holy Spirit when you believe? Now, who's he talking to in Acts 19? He's talking to the last people group. The last people group who no longer, because remember, after that, every time someone believes they received the Holy Spirit, we're gonna look at that in a second, but you have the Jews in Jerusalem and Judea, then the Samaritan, then the Holy, I mean, then the Holy Spirit, then the Gentiles. There's one last people group that, and it's a small group, it's a small group, John's disciples. You remember John's disciples, they were the ones. John was the guy that was running around the forerunner of Christ, repent for the kingdom of heaven's at hands. As a matter of fact, some of his more prominent, more well-known disciples are now disciples of Jesus. That would be Peter. That would be Andrew. We'll talk about this later about how Jesus called his first four disciples and why they even went. Why did Peter, Andrew, James, and John, why did they get up and go? I don't know this guy. Who's this guy, Jesus? Why would I get up and follow him? There's a reason why John was talking to them about him. So, what he's reading from is the last group, John's disciples, who they have been baptized, but they hadn't been baptized in the Holy Spirit. And so this is not normal. This is just this last group of people that we need to give validity to, especially to them. And so that's all that's all that's happening here. So he comes to disciples and he says to them, did you receive the Holy Spirit when you believed? Okay, if you received the Holy Spirit when you believed, why would the greatest apostle who ever lived ask that question? There's a reason why, that greatest apostle, Peter and Paul.  Rather than hearing me, let's go to 1 Corinthians, chapter 12, 13. First Corinthians, chapter 12, 13, Paul makes a statement that I think is pretty instructive. He says, for by one spirit, we were all baptized into one body, whether Jew or Greek, whether slaves or free, we were all made to drink of one spirit. So what does the greatest apostle all the time that he says? Who is this? Paul, what does Paul say? All of us, for by one spirit we were all, and the word all is there, pente, all, I know my, I mean, I ain't so my, all into the body of the spirit we've been met, we've been baptized into this one spirit we've been baptized into the body by the spirit. So everybody, all of us, if you are saved, if you've been a Christian for 30 years, you have to have been baptized in there. All includes those have been saved for 30 years, 30 days, 30 minutes, 30 seconds. All means all, every single person that's been, that's in the body has been baptized. Paul doesn't just say it, there he goes on to say it again. Let's go to Romans eight, nine, the greatest apostle as he says ever, fine. However, verse nine of chapter eight, you are not in the flesh, but in the spirit. That is, if indeed you are in the spirit of God, if the spirit of God dwells in you. So if you are in the body, that's what he's saying. If indeed, that is, if you are saved, that is, if indeed the spirit of God dwells in you, but if anyone, look what he says, does not have the spirit of Christ, he does not belong to him. So it is impossible to be saved and not have the Holy spirit. If you don't have the Holy spirit, what are you not? But if anyone does not have the Holy, have the spirit of Christ, he does not belong to him. So you don't belong to him. Is it possible to be a Christian and not belong to Jesus? No, it's impossible. You cannot not belong, if you don't belong to him, then you're not a Christian. If you're a Christian, then you belong to him. They go hand in hand. But let's keep reading. If Christ is in you, though the body is dead because of sin, if the spirit is alive because of righteousness, but if the spirit of him who raised Jesus from the dead dwells in you, by the way, this is what he ought to have dealt with because we know for a fact here, according to this passage, who raised Jesus from the dead? Well, according to this, the spirit of God, the Holy spirit did. But then in Acts, we see that God, whom God raised from the dead, but then Jesus says, I raise myself up. I take my life and I take it back myself. I will raise this temple up in three days. So we've got three people apparently guilty of raising Christ from the dead. Well, how could that be? Well, because God, the Father's God, Jesus's God, and so is the Holy spirit. So who rose, who raised Christ from the dead? God, and we leave it at that. Amen. But let's continue reading. He who raised Christ, Jesus from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies through his spirit who dwells. And so that's the point that Robert ought to make, that all of us have been given this life through the Holy spirit who also resides in us. Look what he says though. So then, brethren, we are under obligation not to the flesh to live according to the flesh, for if you are living according to the flesh, you must die, but if by the spirit, you are putting to death the deeds of the death, I mean body, you will live. Look what he says here. He reiterates it, for all who are being led by the spirit of God, these are the sons of God.  If you are not led by the spirit, if you do not have the Holy spirit, you cannot be a son or daughter of God. You cannot be a child of God. They go hand in hand. So the bogus argument that he's making is you can be saved, yet not have the Holy spirit. And he wants to differentiate between having the Holy spirit versus being baptized. Paul just said in 1 Corinthians 12, if you want to say eight is not being baptized, well, that's wrong. 1 Corinthians 12 says we all have been baptized. So the baptism of the Holy spirit, except for immediately after Pentecost, when the different people groups have received the Holy spirit, why to give validity to the Jews? Jesus said they're gonna have a sign. They need a sign, well, they get a sign. And then also obviously to spread the gospel in the different languages as well. So this is what's happening. Robert Morris ought to know this. Now the interesting thing is, now I'm not gonna spend any time on it today, but when you just see who are some of the people that have kind of come alongside of him, who he's working with, people like Mike Todd. That goes to your discernment. That goes to your wisdom. That goes to your heart and really ultimately to your credibility. But because he's preaching this that you need the Holy spirit and then once you get the Holy spirit, then things start happening. Things start happening.  But first, what must you do? What's the first thing you, well, first of all, you gotta be obedient. You've got to pay your tithes.  It gives a lie. There's no other way of putting it. It's a lie. And maybe it's him realizing and thinking that if I say this, no one's going to investigate it. One of the reasons why I like to put the scriptures on the screen. People, I did a video recently. I want to see what the video is, but someone says you gave too much information. You should have just said answer the question, yes, and move on. Well, no, I want to give you the scriptures. I want you to look at it. I want you to see why I say what I'm saying. So that you can also one, check my homework and say, whoa, Cory, you're wrong. This means this, that means that and so on and so forth. It creates dialogue. It promotes discussing the scriptures. It promotes studying the scriptures. That's what we should want. We shouldn't tell somebody something and then have them just take our word for it. So as often as I can, unless we're just really pressed for time or unless it's just so obvious, then we're gonna go and look at the scriptures. We are going to go look at the scriptures as best as because that's what they're there for, for us to use and look at. But he makes a statement. Maybe he doesn't think they're gonna go back and look or check because someone like him wants to promote more giving to him. Now let me give you a dirty, it's not a dirty secret, but it's a secret that every pastor would wish. A pastor isn't so much concerned about your giving. The reason why pastors would wish that you would just tithe, which by the way, it's not biblical for the New Testament church to tithe. But the reason why a pastor would want you to tithe is because if I could just get your giving to increase, the average parishioner, the average attender, the average congregant, the average, give somewhere between 2% and 3% of their income. So if I stress the tithe 10%, then what would happen? Naturally, giving will increase. Now some churches do just fine, even with the average congregant giving two or three or four, because some people have wealthy congregants. Some people have congregants that give, now if you want to on your own commit, you know what, I'm gonna give 10%, that's fine. But there's no obligation for it.  That's also, if you wanna give 2.7%, if you wanna give 8.3%, if you wanna give 12%, 25%, it doesn't matter. The moment that you give, and it causes a frown on your face, then don't give that much. There's no need for you to be the cause, for that to be the cause of your sinning. There's no need for there to be this issue, this animosity, this angst, because you're going to your wallet, and I don't feel like giving this much, but don't, because I can promise you this. If you feel like, should I give $200, or should I give 250, 200 I'm cool with, 250, and I don't know, God doesn't need your 250 or your 200, he doesn't need your money, he doesn't need anything from you. But he would like your obedience, he would like your gratitude. So, you should not be forced to give, you shouldn't give under any sort of compulsion, but out of love, amen? But listen to how he says this. So you may have a different belief about typing. You may think, well, it's just the Old Testament, that's not true, it's in the New Testament. By the way, not only is it in the New Testament, but Jesus himself said, you ought to type. Now, I don't know about you, but that's enough for me. If that was the only verse on it, the one who saved me from drugs and immorality in a motel room said, I ought to give the first 10% of my income to God. So that's enough for me, right there. My savior said it, and it's in red, by the way, if y'all, if you have Bible, it's in red. The man said, Jesus himself said it. And I see people with question mark moderators said, where, that's the $54,000 question. I'm sorry, $64,000 question adjusted for inflation, $64 billion question. There is no passage in the New Testament where Jesus makes a statement. Now, where you can, the closest you can get. The closest you can get is Matthew 23, 23. What do you scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites, for you type, mint, and deal, and cooman, and have neglected the weighty provisions of the law? Justice and mercy and faithfulness, but these are the things you should have done without neglecting others. There is no passage to state you should give a tithe.  If it is, if it were, please point that out. There is no such passage. Now, does the Bible also bring with the fact that Abraham gave a tithe? Yeah, but again, there was no command. The only people that were ever commanded to do so were who? The Jews. They were, Abraham wasn't commanded to even give that. And certainly after the cross, there is no command to do so. Jesus explained that this would, you guys think you're something for highlighting the fact that you give this tithe and this and this and this, but you fell in so many other areas. He didn't say, no, give the tithe. That's not what he said. And then they love to go back to bring Malachi 310, bring the whole tithe into the storehouse so that there may be food in my house. And test me now in this says the Lord of Hosts, if I will not open up the windows of heaven and pour out for you a blessing until it overflows. Well, again, that's not for us. Now, should you try God and see, I have no problem with you trying God and see, but make sure you try him in all the areas, not just with money. Because if money is what you want, then money is not what you're gonna get from God.  Now you might think that what you got, you got from God. No, how many of you all done that? I've done it before where I have thought that Lord, you blessed me with this and I'm gonna do every, I'm gonna listen, I'm gonna move heaven and hell. And in my case, by hook or crook, I'm gonna keep it because God gave this to me. And he did, because you can convince yourself that it's what God wants. You can convince yourself so much so that you think the money or the this or the that, the woman, the man, the house, the car, all those things and God didn't give it to you. God is not gonna give you the one thing that you so desperately desire because it's a God over him. He's not about to do that. You might think so, you might think so. But what you will get is gonna be some heartache. But listen to what he says. He says something, by the way, that's a lie. That was just wrong for him to say that. And he put it in red. If my savior, the one that saved my soul says to do so, I'm gonna do it. No, he didn't say to do so. But look what he says. This is really, really weird. I don't know what he was getting, I know what he's getting at, but how he strings this together, actually it's kind of a work of art because he has, you see how big that church is and how many folks are there? They eat it up and they buy it. Look at verse one. It says then six days before the Passover, Jesus came to Bethany where Lazarus was who had been dead, whom he had raised from the dead. There they made him a supper and Martha served, but Lazarus was one of those who sat at the table with him. And then Mary took a pound of very costly oil of spikenard, anointed the feet of Jesus, and wiped his feet with her hair. And the house was filled with the fragrance of the oil, but one of his disciples, Judas Iscariot, Simon's son, who would betray him said, why was this fragrant oil not sold for 300 denarii and given to the poor? This he said, watch verse six very carefully, not that he cared for the poor, but because he was a thief and he... Now notice, he's reading the passage, he's gonna read the passage, but then immediately ignore the words of the passage. And he had the money box, which was the offering box, and he used to take what was put in it. There are two hearts displayed here, a heart of generosity and a heart of selfishness. And what do you notice what revealed each heart giving? Okay now, just ask, where is he going with this? Well, notice what Judas said you should do with the money, give to the poor, but he's gonna hark on the fact that it was Judas, this thief who said to do so. Okay, so his point is, you need to be tithing rather than trying to give to the poor. And why? Because Judas was the one who came with that idea. Now this is an amazing story, because when it talks about Judas, he makes this statement. Why wasn't this sold and given to the poor? You ever heard that statement before? Can I just remind you who originated that statement? Judas, why wasn't that sold and given to the poor? The one who made that statement up was Judas, the one who betrayed our Lord. Now isn't it amazing too that God says, the Bible tells us he was a thief, and God says in Malachi, the people who don't tithe are stealing from me? Listen to me. God actually uses that word, mine, when he refers to the tithe. He just doesn't use it in the New Testament, but you all see where he's going with it. So the tithe part, mine, that's what God wants you to do, the giving to the poor part, because Judas said it no bueno. He says it's mine. Don't touch it. Now by the way, we're talking about generosity and selfishness. Let me just say something. Generosity begins with a G, selfishness begins with an S, all right? Listen, God is generous, Satan is selfish. Okay, because two words, one, both this word begins with the G, and this word begins with what? But let's go to the passage. Now he read the passage, he clearly read the passage, but this is where it's gotta be intentional. It has got to be intentional. Thank you, Boyd Bookshelf. I thank you for the kind words. Thank you so much for that. Look what he says in verse five. Now he read this, it isn't Duran, it is insanity. It is insanity, but that place is packed and they're eating it up. But let's just go to the passage. He literally read it, it was on screen, he read it. So look what it says. He says, why was this perfume not sold for 300 Nari and given to the poor people? Well, that statement in and of itself is not a bad statement, what's wrong with that? There's nothing wrong with that. Matter of fact, the Bible didn't even say there's anything wrong with that. Now he said, verse six, now he said this, not because he was concerned about the poor, but because he was a thief and as he had the money box he used to pill for what was put into it. So it wasn't the idea of it going to the poor that was the problem. The problem was Judas is a thief and was taking money from the offering box. That was the problem. Not the intent of giving to the poor. How do I know? Because we see them doing things for the poor. As a matter of fact, in the church, in the church, what were they doing? As a church comes together, they are taking care of the poor. They are taking care of the poor. But his point is no, let's not go do these little things to give to the poor. Give your tithes first. Give your tithes first, because that's mine. Do you want to give to the poor? That's after you give the tithes. That's extra stuff. Now it kind of goes from being, I'm just a clumsy mistake, to almost being a bit sinister. Self-motivated. We've got, listen to you. Do you know what our light bill is this month, guys? We've got this big edifice. We've got these folks on staff and so we need you to give more by way of tithes and then also listen. On top of that, give your offering as well. We'll determine which poor we're going to give it to as well. Now if you've got some favorite charity, that's fine, but give to the tithe first. Why? Because as he says, God puts a label on that, that's mine. That's mine. Not how some of you guys normally say mine with the s-mines, it's mine. I used to have that problem, saying mines. Mine, God said it's mine. Well that's not what God said. God is not, God is not after you to follow this tithing system. He's after you to give your heart. He wants you to give something, give your heart to him. Not, I don't mean for salvation, I mean after salvation. As you are a believer, give more of yourself. Draw closer to him and then watch all the things that you need. Delight, or Old Testament proverb, delight yourself in him and then he will give you the size of your heart. 374. Why? Because the closer you get to him, your desires, your heart desires tend to change. So what he's trying to do, because hey, Judas, bad. No, whatever Judas thought to say, well no, Judas said a good thing, but the Bible clearly indicates that, yeah, his heart was known. Now, the disciples didn't know this at the time that Judas was digging in and this and that and what have you. Judas' work at the time, and Judas, you're worse than the tax collector, man. We're giving this money and you're taking it. So that was known, obviously, by Jesus. But even more to the point it's known by us because we have the scripture, the very same scripture that he read, he just glossed over it and made the point. And here is the sad part about it. This is the sad part about it, even in Romans, in John 12. All of the passages, notice the passage that we went over. John 12, I think he covered Matthew 23 in Acts 1038. What was the other one? Acts 1038 and what was the other one? I forgot the other one. I forgot. Oh, Philippians two. He gives a faulty either exegesis or rendering of the passage, shame on him, but even more so on the people that are sitting in that sanctuary who are listening to what he's saying and don't open their Bible. I think it's a good thing. I really do. I think it's a good thing that when you go to a church and the church has a screen up before you so that you can all maybe read the same translation or have the Bible in front of you. Maybe he says, turn in your Bibles to Obadiah and you have no idea where Obadiah is. Matter of fact, you don't even know Obadiah is a book. Who is Obadiah? Are you, am I being punked? There's no Obadiah in the book. So it saves some embarrassment. It helps everyone to get there. Cause could you imagine waiting for 3,000 people or however many people are in the sanctuary to turn and you just hear pages turning. So it's a good thing. However, those screens in the sanctuary, if it's a big sanctuary or small, aren't to supplant you actually opening your own Bible and checking. The travesty, the sad part is these people who own a Bible and I know they own a Bible because they own a cell phone. The Bible is on your cell phone, even if you don't download the app. The travesty, the sad part is they did not even look themselves. You didn't even bother to investigate it yourself. It was right there. And then on certain paths where he literally reads it and messes up as he's reading it. That's the problem. And the reason why this is a dangerous heresy because he says the way he says it, it sounds educated. It sounds smart. It sounds wise. Robert Morris is an educated person. Robert Morris in many cases knows what he's talking about.  One, to impugn the deity of Jesus. That places you my friend in the category of a heresy. That place, excuse me, places you in the category of a false teacher. Then you proceed to distort the scripture even more so. And this is why we have to be on guard, be diligent, study, being able to rightly divide, not just for the pastor or the preacher or the teacher. If I ever say anything, say, hey, Corey, that's off, that's fine, let's go check it. Let's go look it up. And shame on me if I don't even make myself available to actually answer these questions. There's a ton of questions, a ton of people that are asking questions, trying to get through. But I actually enjoy doing this, I really do. And it keeps me sharp. It really does and something. Hey, you know what, let me reinvestigate that. Let me look at that again. But if I'm so busy trying to either sell a book or trying to get people to give more money to me in order for them to buy this notion that they can be prosperous financially as well, have your best life, or as he says in his books called, blessed life or beyond blessed, then that's the problem. Because the only way that you can be blessed is through God. And the only that you can know that you're doing the right thing through God is what? Through his word, through study. Amen. Amen.


This is covering the spread here are your hosts Jim Saunas and Dr. Ed Fang Welcome everybody into Covering the spread here on the fan duel podcast network and number fire dot-com. My name is Jim Saunas I am a senior writer and analyst for it number fire joined here by Ed Fang of the power rank dot-com Ed It's college football week. Hi here on covering the spread. We're talking highs and betting later with Edward E. Gross and we're gonna talk with you about your college football numbers later on so I'm pumped. I'm feeling the fall rushing through my veins How are you doing today? I'm doing great. I'm pumped to call it talk about college football. I feel like Sometimes, you know it it falls a little bit behind the NFL in terms of coverage and so I'm glad we're giving it It's do I've tried to give some college football points in the in the past couple shows And so I'm just excited to talk about it. Yeah for me I feel like college football is more of a release because a lot of my like day-to-day work during the fall revolves around the NFL Whereas like college I can just kind of enjoyed a bit more sure and I think that because of that I tend to romanticize it a bit more than I do football and I agree that it's probably not as Universal as it probably should be because like waking up on a Saturday morning turning on a college football game and just doing nothing for a day is Honestly, one of the most appealing activities in the entire world Well, and hopefully we won't make your Saturday too stressful by putting too many bets down, but right? We'll see what happens when we get there in September. Hopefully the process is good enough We don't just want it too much and we can just sit back and relax again follow Ed on Twitter at the power rank I am at Jim Sonnis and big. 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You can also find him at Fox Sports Southwest He is the host of the Rangers deep cuts podcast That's on Volca Media and has a Cowboys podcast coming up just around the corner at that same spot So if you follow Ed on Edward on Twitter at Ed with sports You can find all that and the reason why I'm on talk analytics is because he is an adjunct Professor at Southern Methodist University teaches a class on sports analytics there So who better to teach us about sports analytics and what they mean for Heisman betting that's coming up in just one second Here's Edward e-gross of Fox Sports Southwest Covering the present Well, it's welcome to the show Edward e-gross and Edward actually met you at the Sloan analytics conference a couple of years ago And at that same conference is where I met Ed Fang So kind of a little bit of a reunion here of the people who have met at some point at the Sloan analytics conference So Edward welcome to covering the spread. How are you doing today? I'm doing very well doing very well We all need to get back to Boston at some point soon. Don't we absolutely? I would be 100% down to do that and hopefully we could talk some sports betting while we're there, too Now that's spreading the globe and definitely gaining some traction I think that it would definitely apply to a lot of the analytics conversations out there Have you been to Sloan the past couple of years and has sports betting been part of the conversation at Sloan when you've been there? You know, I haven't been the last couple of years and that's sort of in large part because I've been going to other conferences Whether it's the New England Sports Conference up at Harvard Whether it's been many analytics up in Minneapolis when Minneapolis hosted Super Bowl 52. I've tried to get some things going closer to Texas and Sports betting really hasn't been discussed too much It's sort of been on the ancillary, but it's it's funny like if there's one thing that say Analytics sports and conventional sports have in common that sports betting has always been part of the conversation But it's always been sort of on the outskirts and I think only recently Have things sort of been brought into the fold and that that's exciting in so many ways because I think it carries the conversation forward in ways That we otherwise haven't been able to and it's definitely applicable to yeah I've been at Sloan the last couple years and The actual sports betting conference is not particularly enlightening when you guys show up next year We'll go out to degenerates and you'll get plenty of information there and we can go from there Awesome. I'm looking forward to that for sure now Edward. We're talking about Heisman betting for today You've been talking plenty of college football and more ways to win on TVG So we got to get your thoughts here on some college football stuff for 2019 specifically focusing on the Heisman I think that it's best to start here from a philosophical perspective when you look at Heisman betting in General based on your process. Is it better to go with the favorites? You know like Trevor Lawrence and to a tongue of eye lower for this year or Are we should we bank on long shots in general to win the Heisman? I? Prefer going after long shots for a variety of reasons number one Favorites in the preseason almost never win. I'm looking at Heisman winners right now dating back to 2009 and the only one who was a preseason favor who won was Marcus Mariota He was a plus 425 a few years back It was a three-star recruit really blossomed in Oregon, but for the most part these guys You know they weren't that highly ranked in the preseason Baker Mayfield was third highest Other than that you've got a lot of guys who are 11 13th. A lot of them weren't even on Preseason rankings you couldn't bet on them at all and even when their number did come up say in week three week four they were still a long shot and so to me you have this sort of a dangerous situation when it comes to preseason Heisman odds Where perhaps a favorite isn't even listed at this point and those who are listed? Yeah, you have two favorites at this point, but there are so many things that can happen And I think there's also this element of surprise where I think a lot of Heisman voters like somebody who has quote-unquote come out of nowhere To win the whole thing Right. So Edward. So what's the general archetype of player that tends to win the Heisman in terms of position and conference? Team strength winning. What's what's the general type of player? Absolutely. So when it comes to position over the years 41 running backs of one 35 quarterbacks of one And then you have eight others. So you pretty much have to be a running back or a quarterback To win this award and even the others And some who almost became one of the others like Tyred Matthew the honey badger dell issue He was returning punts as well So you almost have to have a job Diversification if you're not going to be a quarterback or running back to really have a legitimate shot of winning the Heisman But not since 1997 as a quarterback or running back won the award 40 different schools have won 18 have multiple awards one of the things about college football that is Probably why the sport does so well, but also why it can be a little bit frustrating is because it's pretty much the same programs That when the national championship go to the playoff and then also when the Heisman as well You really don't see too many schools sort of come out of nowhere to capture the Heisman trophy or capture a playoff spot Certainly, there are exceptions to that Robert Griffin the third out of Baylor Certainly Baylor is you know, not known necessarily for producing great quarterbacks, but this one is since they did I look at it as A situation where you're looking for tradition. You're looking for those big names, but then also to sometimes you're looking for schools that produce Certain types of players and sometimes those players get highly recognized So for instance, Wisconsin is known as a running back you and so they're running backs tend to do very well When it comes to Heisman boats Alabama has two Heisman winners both of them are running backs Texas has produced some running backs that have won Heismans other programs like Oklahoma Ohio State They tend to be quarterbacks and so I think you have the combination of tradition But then also the position that that school normally produces and is successful with I think those things are important too So certainly we have like an archetype here, you know We want players at impactful positions on impactful programs But there are some guys who have semi-short odds for this year who may not necessarily fit that archetype You know, they may not be from the biggest schools They may not be from a power five conference even how willing are you to bet someone who doesn't fit into those buckets? You just discussed For this year. I am very very willing to bet on Something that doesn't belong in these buckets and one guy in particular who I think fits this absolutely perfectly is Derek King the quarterback at Houston He finished fourth in total QBR seventh and passing efficiency last season now George is Jake from Slightly ahead of him, but King now as Dana Holgersen as his head coach and he helped will Greer develop at West Virginia So I think there's actually more room for growth for King and especially given from is at plus 2000 King of plus 3000 Somebody in a non-power five conference and granted Houston has won the Heisman trophy before but that was back before You know all of us were born I suppose I think but regardless It's something where yeah, you have somebody who is capable of being groomed being developed even more that he already has He's got a new head coach who has done well with quarterbacks in the past Derek King makes a lot of sense to me as somebody who could come out of nowhere and sees this whole thing Well, I think the one thing working in his favor, too is that there will be attention on that program because Dana Holgersen is there as you mentioned and That's a positive for him from a notoriety perspective, but also he was really good last year You look at his passing numbers ignore the rushing and the rushing is stupid You know the numbers he put up as a rusher The passing was really good from an efficiency perspective too And that's why I think that Derek King is is super intriguing and if it weren't for that knee injury last year Maybe we'd be even more into him for this year Is he kind of the first guy who stands out to you as being someone who is an attractive bet? He's plus he's 31 right now a fan of sportsbook and I was gonna ask you about him. Honestly, so I'm glad you brought him up But is he kind of the first guy who stands out to you? Great minds think alike that this is the last podcast episode It's all about it's all about college football DFS because he is a god there Absolutely and and one thing I would add to is if he does become a finalist I do believe Tom Herman should get an invitation To sit close to the front of the room and that's a large part because of exactly what you just talked about We know about the Houston football program whereas there are a lot of other You know American conference programs that we don't know that much about and because of what Tom Herman was able to to get Houston on the map Dana Holgerson should be able to carry that forward It might take a little bit who knows but I think because we know about that program now There is the potential for notoriety and you absolutely have to have that to be in Heisman consideration Edward I want to ask you about another player with some longer odds Jalen Hertz. He's transferring over to Oklahoma and I don't like him as a Heisman candidate because he's going to Oklahoma where the last two Heisman winners have come from at the quarterback position I like him because I think he's a pretty good quarterback and I think you can throw the ball pretty well Alabama last year he started full-time Was 15th when I looked at yards for play adjusted for string to schedule. I think this guy can just play flat out play football Where do you stand on Jalen Hertz? Well, I think this makes sense that certainly it feels odd to go back to the same school in the same position three straight years But at the same time You know, I like Jalen Hertz as a quarterback I do find it interesting that he's coming from Nick Saban's program and he was able to develop quite well there But is Lincoln Riley that much better of a quarterback whisperer than the guys Alabama has had over these last few years that that's sort of a concern of mine because Not that Alabama does everything perfectly But certainly they do a lot of things very very well And so does Lincoln Riley have what it takes to develop somebody even more and take them to that next level I think that's a very important question to ask The other thing too about Oklahoma that I don't think we're talking about enough Is that I think the big 12 is going to be a good bit tougher this year Maybe a little bit more top heavy than say the last few years. I like Iowa State a ton Texas may very well be back. I have some concerns about them. But that is a serious Contender in the big 12. I think TCU deserves more recognition than what it's getting in the preseason So I think the schedule gets a good bit tougher for Oklahoma I think they're going to be more challenges for Jalen Hertz than say what Kyla Murray and Baker Mayfield faced And so because of all of those things I'm certainly a little bit more bearish about Hertz's chances to win the Heisman Then certainly the last couple of Oklahoma quarterbacks Yeah, and I just jump in real quick like I mean the one thing like they've had an excellent offensive line the past two years So I know Jim's big into studying the offensive line I'm really interested losing that many starters off a great line how that's going to affect that offense as well So again, just another one of the challenges that Hertz will face Completely agree with you And let's we'll circle back to Trevor Lawrence and to a tug of Iloa in a second But you mentioned Iowa State and you sounded pretty excited about them So any thoughts on Brock Purdy who is not currently listed at vandal sportsbook If he were to become listed Edward would he peak your interest at all? Absolutely, he would peak my interest all right and a slight digression here from your question It is fascinating again going back to Heisman odds that Some who have won were not listed in the preseason and This is the danger of going into You know trying to pick somebody because the name may simply not be there It very much is an award where somebody can come out of nowhere to a point And win this whole thing Brock Purdy at Iowa State sixth and pass a rating 21st in total qb of dark gets another year of development and I think Iowa State could very well finish second or first in the big 12 And if they're able to see these headlines by beating big old Oklahoma in glorious fashion How the heck is he not part of the hot conversation? Something else too? I wanted to add is uh Any and every Heisman winner over the last several years they've come in as at least a three star recruit It's it's something where okay You can't be a two star or one star come literally out of nowhere and win this thing You at least to have you need to have at least a little bit of preseason pub to you Brock Purdy is a three star a lot of other big names were three stars as well Certainly a couple of five stars like Kyla Murray do win the award But if you have at least three stars to your name, then that's certainly a qualification and purdy certainly has that Couple things about Brock purdy too. He has a brother named Sheba I think that's a positive just because it sounds cool So that's a huge Puss for Brock purdy also with the keen butler leaving And being a I believe it's a fourth round pick in the nfl Clearly nfl town evaluators are not as high on her keen butler as some of us may have been Entering the nfl draft, which means it may not be as big of a loss as it may be perceived to be So Brock purdy interesting guy if you do see his name pop up on some odds Let's let's talk here about the guys at the top end right now Edward we're talking here with edward egros follow him on twitter at edwithsports and edward we have to atonga vailoa He is plus 350 we have trevor lorence at plus 200 you can't bet on Them versus the field the fans will sportsbook sounds like we're taking the field pretty easily here But let's say i forced you to choose between toa and between trevor at their respective odds Which one do you like more between those two guys? Well, first off jim. I it's not very nice of you to to force me to pick one or the other right? I did or why I deserve this, but Actually, I may go against the grain here and i'm going to go into a uh over trevor for a couple of reasons and I think That's psychologically perhaps, but uh, I think a lot of people looked at trevor You know coming in midseason and all of a sudden winning the national championship as somebody who? Uh again, it's that coming out of nowhere narrative And if he has a full season and a full off season as the starter Then he can really show what he's capable of. Well, you look at the numbers though Lawrence had more pass attempts than toa for the season Uh more plays overall lorence actually played more than to a tag of iola And that's in large part because alabama was beating up on everybody by 30 40 points And then they were able to go to herts in the the third and fourth quarters But you get down even deeper here toa 199.4 passing efficiency You know that's at the top of the list. Uh trevor lorence was 12th in that department Total qbr toa was second among all college football quarterbacks trevor was eight And so toa He played less and still put up better efficiency numbers And I don't see why that wouldn't continue next season Edward so there's a there's kind of a second tier behind these these two top leaders You have a guy who has not started a college football game yet and justin fields as the third highest odds And then a bunch of guys in the the 20 to 30 level Besides the guys you've already talked about anyone well actually does does the justin fields thing Kind of stand out to you Being the third highest Sure, uh, it is interesting, uh, but at the same time I think You know the college football narrative these days involves basically only five football programs when you think about it We talk about alabama a lot. We talk about clemson. We talk about georgia now Because they made the national championship game and the only one to to really fight with alabama within conference We talk about ohio state of good that and we talk about oklahoma and it seems like those are the only five programs that that get National attention and so those key marquee players from those five programs are certainly going to get good highs and odds And plus it's like ok ohio state's been knocking on the door to get to the playoff It hadn't happened and so at some point this has to right so I think that's sort of part of the narrative Um, but but as far as uh anybody else who I think has a great shot at winning the heisman Uh, one guy I'm very much interested in is uh, kaleel tate Uh second and total qbr in 2017 and he has a coach who groomed a heisman trophy winner before tate suffered You know that sort of ankle injury in 2018 could bounce back and surprise some people And at plus 3000 I think that's good value Absolutely, and I think that he has a name recognition too, which is always in his favor because you got a lot of buzz last year So that's interesting. Let's go a little bit deeper. We did mention brock purdy who is not currently on the board I don't know how much deeper you can go than that, but anybody longer you want to throw out here edward while we're on the air Anybody longer, uh, that is a good question. I will if there's not that is totally okay, too well I mean looking at the other names, uh Geez, uh, you know at plus 6000 Maybe jt daniels. That makes some sense there Uh, kelin mond plus 15,000 I mean, you know to me texas a nm could be the only program in the west that could really Uh go towards alabama, uh, you know, I know lsu gets a lot of recognition and then deservedly so but I I think a nm can finish second in the sec west And with that you certainly have the possibility of upsetting alabama and if that happens You're going to get some highs in consideration Uh, but it is basically one game against, uh, quite possibly the best program in college football So maybe that one makes some sense, but there's so many names that are not listed that I actually like a good bit Uh, just in the terms of the variability uh index as it were, uh, so You know the ones listed. Uh, nobody really stands out aside aside from the ones I've mentioned before but Goodness gracious, you don't have to wait, uh, too long for Somebody to come out of nowhere and probably that that first name that second name that jumps into the list Uh, I will be looking at very seriously. So what are the names that you're monitoring? Uh, as guys who may not be listed right now, again, we mentioned brock purdy But you said there are a couple other guys. Is anyone else that you know that you're at least monitoring for right now Absolutely, uh, so I mentioned, uh, the programs that get national attention, uh, Obviously alabama is one of them. Uh, trey sanders the running back, uh, you know, very young, uh, but as as i'm sure you guys agree Uh, running backs They can be young and still be very very effective. Uh, this is a five star guy, uh, one of the top recruits in the country And this may be somebody who has to, you know, carry the load a bit more depending upon how alabama uses to uh They may want to sort of save him a good bit and make sure he's not doing very much work But with so many so much talent on the offensive side of the ball for alabama Certainly a running back could could come in there and be incredibly effective saving to uh from having to extend himself too much Uh, so that's somebody who uh, you know makes a lot of sense. Also, uh, just down the road from there at auburn You have a quarterback battle between bow nix and joey gatewood Uh auburn is usually pretty reliable when it comes to getting at least seven to eight to nine wins And who knows they may break through at some point if they they they've had success against alabama the last few years Um, you know not a ton, but they have gotten a couple of upsets here and there Uh, and so certainly the quarterback at auburn if they're able to to piece something together That's something to watch out for so it's one of those situations where I think you want to look for guys Who have opportunities to be in the national spotlight and have a good supporting cast around them to possibly pull off a major upset Maybe they're not in the playoff. Maybe they're not they're not winning a conference championship But they if you have that sort of heisman moment or that heisman highlight reel That's just a little bit better than everyone else's that certainly matters Doesn't get a whole lot better than unlisted. I like it. Mm-hmm Unlisted.  So love the logic on that Absolutely that is all we have for today with edward e-gross edward I want to thank you for hopping on here spreading some knowledge Giving me some solid confirmation bias on dara king and brock purdy. I appreciate that all by itself So thank you for making me feel better about my college football takes I appreciate that and hopefully we can get you on the air again soon to talk more college football Anytime you want me on I am available to build the echo chamber for you Thank you so much. We'll talk to you again soon. My pleasure. Thank you Covering the future One final thank you to edward e-gross for hopping on here and chatting with us about heisman odds Really fun discussion and talking about a lot of players who should be really excited to watch For 2019 make sure you keep an eye out for those guys you mentioned to who are not listed yet In case they become listed after week one follow edward on twitter at ed with sports If you want to get in on the action and check out those odds Check out the fan dual sports book and place your first bet today If you lose fan dual will give you a refund of up to 500 dollars in site credit Visit sportsbook dot fan dual dot com for more details terms and conditions apply Must be 21 plus and physically present in new jersey or pennsylvania because pennsylvania Has just launched her fan dual sports book gambling problem call 1 800 gambler Let's finish up here with covering the future for this week in ed last week We talked about nfl futures and one of the teams i neglected to discuss during that discussion was the Colts And I think that they're a team that's gotten a lot of you know A lot of enthusiasm from people like me and other people you know who look at analytics because of how good their offense was Last year you want to talk about the Colts for covering the future but from a different perspective And focusing on a potential weak spot within that team Yeah, you know, I mean, I think this is a team. Uh, I I agree with all the optimism about the offense in terms of the play calling We talked about it with uh Evan silva as well just, you know, the the modern things that this team is doing But let's look at the defensive side of the ball and the the way i'm evaluating their defense in 2018 is by success rate And it's a pretty simple definition Play as success for an offense if they get half of the yards on first down 70 of the yards on second down and then all the necessary yards On third and fourth down Now when you take that metric and look at success rate allowed for the Colts They were 25th when you look at the raw numbers Unfortunately, the story gets even worse when you make adjustments for strength of schedule That's what i'm good at and You have to look at who they played last year. So in division you're looking at houston Tennessee and Jacksonville None of those teams really had great offenses by the adjustments success rate calculation I've done the best unit was Tennessee at 18th So in division you're looking at three teams that had below NFL average offenses And then when you look, um, you know the scheduling gods were very kind To the Colts last year. They had to play the afc east Obviously that includes a very tough game against new england whose offense is terrific And that was by far the best offense that they played last year But you also get the buffalo bills You get the miami dolphins and you get the new york jets from last year Those were three of the bottom six offenses by adjusted success rate So when you do the adjustment for opponent With success rate the Colts dropped to 31st Okay, so this unit, um, his was not good last year. They're kind of relying on a lot of the same guys to come back and You know when you're 31st in the nfl you're gonna get better simply by regression of the mean But how much better are they gonna get? I have my doubts about that and then let's look at the schedule that the Colts have this year I mean, it's a complete Different story than last year. So instead of the afc east, you're getting the afc west This includes two road games at the los angeles chargers and at the kansas city chiefs We both know those two teams have fantastic offenses They also play the nfc south So again, you're facing great offenses and lana and matt ryan norleans and drew breeze and tambo base not going to be a very good football team probably but they Were pretty good on offense last year Um, and they'll they'll have james winston again this year. So the schedule flips I mean the defense needs to be better for this team to be a legit super bowl contender um I haven't talked myself quite into it, but i'm thinking about colts under nine and a half wins My general philosophy with nfl win totals is you want to go under those high numbers You want to go over the low numbers regression to the mean is a stark reality in the nfl um, and right now, you know, it's you know, you're shading At when I checked the fandals sports book it was plus one each 25 on under nine and a half wins for the colts You know, this team is all about like, you know, how high can the offense go, uh, you know, how much will that defense hold them back? um But uh, I'm I'm thinking I'm thinking I haven't talked myself into it But I'm thinking about the under the colts nine and a half and and I think this is a kind of contrarian play because I think a lot of people are very excited about Where this colts team is headed well on your podcast just last week We were talking about how much I love the colts offensive line And that's led me to be pretty excited about This team in general and I think that I like the colts But I think that your point about the schedule is pretty interesting because Let's look back to last year after their bi-week They're had their bi-week night So they had half their week or half their season after the bi-week They faced Jacksonville starting quarterback there was Blake Bortles The next week they faced Tennessee and Mario to started that game But left at halftime because he got sacked and couldn't feel his hand again So they got half of a game of football against Blaine Gabbard Next week they faced Ryan Tannehill Then it was Cody Kessler Leading a 6-0 victory over the Colts in Jacksonville the following week And the Cody Kessler truth were in me rejoiced the Colts backer in me did not So that was fun. There they faced Ashon Watson, Dak Prescott, Eli Manning And then in week 17 it was that that game that could have sent Tennessee to the playoffs Remember Mario to couldn't play that game either and it was Blaine Gabbard again So they faced Blaine Gabbard for a game and a half They faced Cody Kessler for a full game they faced Blaine or Blake Bortles for a good chunk of a game I think that that backs up your concerns around their defense And I did make some additions in free agency to that defense But I think that it's at least worthwhile To keep in mind that there is potentially more fragility within this Colts team then then maybe I and others want to give them credit for Yeah, and you should we should only talk about the additions. I mean Justin Houston Defensive and past rusher. They signed him in free agency. He also is 30 years old Did have nine sacks, you know each about nine sacks each of the last two years Well, the chief felt that it was necessary to you know, let Houston walk and trade and you know Make the the trade for Frank Clark like When a team makes that calculation It doesn't say that that player is not good But it does at least tell you something about their evaluation of him Right and then it all depends on how much you're paying him as well. So I mean definitely a lot of factors that go in there I think even as bullish as you can be and I you know, I agree with all the stuff that you that you've said about their offensive line Um, and we should make the note that you know, you thought you were bullish ton their offensive line heading into last year At 20 second in your offensive line rankings and then they got really good adding two rookies To that offensive line, right? Exactly on the defensive side of the ball, you know, maybe they're taking around pick rock yashin the corner back out of temple becomes a stud And all of a sudden you've got some questions answered on the defensive side of the ball. So these things can always happen right It should also be noted that uh, you know success in the draft tends to progress pretty hard Year to year for for teams. So yeah Well, I mean, we'll see how it goes. That's it's going to make it exciting But I just think there's a lot for me There's a lot of concerns on the defense side of the ball for the Colts And the ac south in general should be tougher this year too with hopefully two functioning hands for marcus marriota A functioning quarterback in nick foals in jacksonville and ishawn watson may be not getting sacked 67 times or whatever it was I weren't talking about the minnesota twins because I think as someone who is heavily a part of twins twitter Uh, it follows that very closely. There's a lot of panic in minnesota land and there's a lot of panic in the betting right now because the twins are Currently minus 230 to make the playoffs and they've lost a lot of ground to cleveland recently They at one point had an 11 game leading the american league central But now after sunday That lead is down to two games It was at 1.1 game over the weekend And that's pushed the twins odds to win the central down to minus 230 Which is an implied probability of 69.7 percent Which is still kind of high, but it's not that high And I think that there's still some value in that line where it currently sits The two reasons that the teams have merged back together are first the cleveland offense playing really well Jose Ramirez had an injury to start the year and has been heating up since the start of june So let's kind of ignore for cleveland What happened before june because I think that with lindore being out and ramirez not playing well They're a different team than than they than they are now From june 1st on cleveland's offense ranks sixth in the league in w rc plus So they've been very good and much better than they were before But the twins offense is still fourth in w rc plus since june 1st And that is when you lop off the really impressive start to the year that the twins had The other reason that the two teams have really come together is the twins had their injuries recently Whereas cleveland had theirs back in april byron buxton missed a lot of time and he is a big piece to the twins I joke about him on twitter because i have a weird man crush on him, but He's actually a really valuable piece of this team He ranks third in fangrass wins above replacement among position players And outfield wins are the dumbest stat you could possibly cite But I think they do illustrate a lot of buxton's value because this team is 51 and 24 when buxton starts They're 13 and 17 when he does not the defensive value that byron buxton brings to this team Is really hard to replace eddie rosario missed time in that span Those are big losses to have for this team migelson now changed up his swing recently He's cut his strikeout rate 10 percentage points over the past month So a lot of things right now are working in the twins favor with buxton being healthy rosario being healthy So no improving And I think that It's it's a good thing for this twins team that the odds have come down They still rank second in the american league in run differential right now They rank third in number fires power rankings while cleveland while still very good is down in sixth That's why number number fires algorithms give the twins 81.9 percent odds of winning that american league central And again the implied probability here based on the odds is 69.7 percent So there actually is some value in betting the twins to win the american league central and You should probably do it pretty soon if you want to bet the twins because they're facing the marlins and the royals this week And those two teams are not great bob whereas cleveland i believe is facing the yankees So if you want to bet the twins now is your time to do so i would not panic if you are Someone who backed the twins previously Things could get better and i think that regression in the positive sense could be here for minnesota I know you focus on cluster luck a lot Yeah, any interesting things in the twins when it comes to that Yeah, absolutely. Um, so first of all in baseball you said you uh, I mean you You know the season's so long teams are going to go in ups and downs like you you can't overreact the things And I think you're you're thinking is right along the right lines and in terms of not overreacting So cluster luck is this concept that um You know teams given your underlying statistics in terms of singles doubles walks homers You should score a certain number of runs And if you score over that number of runs, it's probably because you clustered your hits together You know, so for example like getting nine singles and an inning instead of spreading out nine singles over nine innings um So this is just and and the research has shown that you know Your luck, you know tends to regress very strongly to the mean both in season and in between seasons So what I what I do for my baseball numbers is I look at the expected number of runs in terms of those underlying metrics And so that in some sense accounts for cluster luck because i'm not looking at actual runs. I'm looking at expected runs um a bunch of other factors go into My baseball numbers as well, but since You know may I've been pretty surprised to see minnesota in the top five They continue to be in the top five just as in the number of fire rankings are fourth right now and they're like, you know, uh Six thousands of a of a percent of a run behind tampa bay right now. So You know the dodgers the top team dodgers and houston are kind of significantly away from everyone else But minnesota is definitely in the conversation right behind them with another surprise tampa bay team uh cleveland's 14th of my numbers So a little bit uh lower than than you guys have ever over at number fire So the numbers certainly support what you're saying. I think my numbers support what you're saying even more with with Cleveland uh being lower um I'm not an expert on baseball handicapping or player situation.  So it's probably not going to happen this year either Uh, but I think that to make the playoffs right now. There is some value in that line at minus two 30 And that is all we have. Oh, you got something else. Oh, I just wanted to ask I mean as a follower of the twins. I mean they were one of the most hard-headed. We're not doing analytics clubs Yeah, perhaps a decade ago. How's that evolved? Uh, very much so they once they made the changes in their front office. They Made a concerted effort to go with an analytics heavy approach and they took from organizations that have You know valued that in the past in cleveland in texas and I think we're seeing the fruits of that specifically with their rotation, uh, and I think that that's why I feel better about it because it you look at the The underlying stats with their pitchers and a lot of them aren't like they are out performing their skill interactive ERA, but you kind of expect that with the outfield defense being as good as it is and they're not Doing it in a way that seems fluky and I think that that's why I feel good about it And I think that they have been valuing the right things They've been trying to get strikeouts in that pitching staff and they have done so much to my delight because I love a good strike Out love a good strike out So it's been it's been fun to watch that evolution and I'm excited to see how things turn out again I'm not expecting a world series But I think that what they've done so far is sustainable And I do expect to continue at least to the end of 2019. Well, and so anything else Yeah, it must be nice laughing at the detroit tigers as the worst team in the baseball Uh as someone who has nicolas castellanos on my dynasty team. It has not been laughing. It's been crying Because he is no no one around him. I've gotten no runs.  It is how it goes, but as a twins fan, right? I mean, you know sticking it. Yeah stick the opponent in division I tend to root for my fantasy teams more than I should I'll put that right But stacking the twins in dfs that is a different discussion. I've had a lot of fun with that So we'll go with that for sure Uh add anything big for you over at the power rank for this week. Yeah, just look into college football wind totals Uh and uh, you can get my college football wind totals report sign up for my free email newsletter at thepowerrank.com All righty and again, uh, you can follow it on twitter at the power rank I am at jim sonnis one final reminder to subscribe rate and review the podcast because When you subscribe you'll get the pot each podcast right as his post another one coming up on thursday morning chatting with that about those college football wind totals which teams he likes for 2019 and we'll dive into of course the The northwestern versus stanford game coming up. I believe in september, right? Yes, it's week one. Oh, so it's august. All right, even better. I think it's yeah, I don't know very soon That might be september. Yeah, I don't the farm week one We are a month away stanford's a favorite. Uh, I'm not shocked. I will put it that way We'll talk about that on thursday. I hope you all tune in then thank you all for tuning in for today Big thank you once again to edward e-gross for joining us and chatting about the his heisman bets for 2019 We'll talk to you again on thursday. This has been covering the spread here on the fan dual podcast network