My last stream got killed because I got an incoming call. What is it about Do Not Disturb that does not work on iPhones? Okay, it's happened a dozen times. I put my iPhone on Do Not Disturb, but does that mean I don't get disturbed? No, it means dick, it means nothing. It's bogus, it's useless. Why does iPhone, why do iPhones offer this Do Not Disturb option that doesn't work, right? I have my phone on Do Not Disturb, but does that stop the calls coming in? Does that stop the interruptions? Does that stop the harassment? No, it's useless. So how about a Do Not Disturb feature on the iPhone that actually works so that I can talk to you uninterrupted? Why do I have to keep getting calls when I'm trying to make a live stream and share joy and light and love with the world? Buckus, that's what it means, absolutely. Buckus, Do Not Disturb, and yet any Tom Dick and Harry can call me and disturb me. Absolutely useless. I put out Do Not Disturb. What is it about Do Not Disturb that the iPhone finds so complicated that did you realize there are all these nuances to Do Not Disturb? They think when I deliberately choose on for Do Not Disturb, that that's just a suggestion, but they're smart enough to know what calls to send through and disturb me, even though I very clearly indicated Do Not Disturb. Okay, back to Charlottesville. So Samantha, who's extensively profiled in anti-social online extremist techno-utopians and the hijacking of the American conversation by Andrew Morance. So she's also been on ABC. She's been on all sorts of outlets. She's a former right-wing extremist and she didn't attend the United Right because she thought it would be violent. She hoped the city would shut down the rally. After the event, Eli Mosley returned back to their home in Leesburg, Virginia and told her about himself, your boyfriend is an effing war hero. So Eli Mosley made up all these stories, he told people on various right-wing podcasts that he'd been shooting up jihadis in the Middle East when he was on duty for the American Armed Forces, turned out he never went to the Middle East. So Eli Mosley has stolen valor among his qualities. So Matthew Heimbark is a witness. So I thought Heimbark was no longer alt-right. He was embracing something much more socially acceptable but he described here as a neo-Nazi in Buzzfeed News today. Neo-Nazi, who led the traditionalist workers party at the time of the United Right rally, told the court about his infatuation with Adolf Hitler, saying that when his son was born and opened his eyes, the first thought he had as a father was about Adolf Hitler. And Heimbark said how inspired he was by various fascist regimes. He was hostile and uncooperative at times while being questioned by the plaintiffs attorney Karen Dunn. Okay, so let's see what Jason Kessler has to say. So Jason Kessler tweets, starting today with the remainder of the insufferable former extremist, Samantha Frohlich, testifying by a pre-recorded deposition. So James Kessler's attorney says, we requested the judge to allow the presentation video of Frohlich being cross-examined in the video deposition. The judge will rule once he sees what testimony the defense wants to introduce. Richard Spencer asked why Samantha isn't available for testimony. He's told that she lives over 100 miles away and is thus outside the subpoena range. So she's effectively dodging having to be cross-examined live in this case by refusing to attend. When you listened to Samantha Frohlich's testimony on Eli Mosley's beliefs, remember that she was so attracted to this that she entered into a romantic relationship with him and slept with him and Richard Spencer. And Jason says, Eli conducted a mutiny against me to remake the rally in his more extreme vision. He thought I was too moderate. He accused me of being Jewish. Samantha on her relationship with Richard Spencer, we left the party together. We were physically intimate. We carried on a relationship. So how did Mr. Richard Spencer propose white people would take society back from black people by any means necessary? Did he use that phrase? Yes. So this is what Samantha says of Richard's self-image. He told me that this was the closest to being Elrond Hubbard and creating his own religion that he was gonna get. He bragged about how people saw him as a God to young men worshiped him and that women wanted him. Gosh, that doesn't sound like Richard Spencer. Richard Spencer, you're saying that Richard Spencer is developing a apoll, apolloism so that he can get laid and get worshiped. This is the closest to being Elrond Hubbard creating his own religion that he was gonna get. He bragged how people saw him as a God. Who saw Richard Spencer as a God? The young men worshiped him, really? And the young women wanted him. So Samantha Frolic is now in a life after hate. So that's a group set up by expert witness Peter Simi. So Matt Heimbach got to testify about his love for Hitler and national socialism. Heimbach and his group were comparing themselves to terrorists and mass murderers. Heimbach is in identifying video from a non-unite and right event where a shout of the day of the rope is coming at Antifa. Matt Parrot is next to him carrying a sign with a man being lynched labeled a Zionist. Matt Heimbach says identity Europa would not be willing to use force to defend themselves because they're the boat, shoes, and boogie type. Yeah, where is Matt Heimbach's stepmother-in-law here? So the plaintiff attorneys spends a lot of time trying to characterize things like helmets and shields as threatening. Well, actually, in the real world, the more steps you take to defend yourself, the more threatened other people will get. So nations will say, oh, we're just spending on defense. We just want to defend ourselves. We don't want to threaten anyone else. But the more you spend to defend yourself, the more actions you take to defend yourself, yeah, and all likely because the way the world works is that it's considered threatening because the normal human reaction is when someone doesn't take extraordinary steps to defend themselves that they're normal and that they're not a threat. So Matthew Heimbach and the plaintiff's attorney argue over whether hitting the gas when attacked by protesters means to run them over or to drive away from the situation as fast as possible. The judge is exasperated with having to sustain so many objections against the plaintiff's attorney. Matthew Heimbach calls the police class traitors that each cop works in fights for the Jews. Putting on the uniform is an honorable as treason, says Heimbach. So Richard Spencer and Matthew Heimbach discuss their definitions of the ethno-state. Heimbach testifies that Richard Spencer did not march or organize with his group, traditionalist workers party. Heimbach says, I've always kind of viewed you as a dandy, Richard, long pause. Okay, so expert witness Deborah Lipstadt hitting the stand tomorrow. Okay, so I know everyone who watches me is sick about hearing about COVID, but guess what? We're averaging about 1,500 deaths a day in the US from COVID over the past three months. So don't tell me that COVID's a nothing, nothing burger but it doesn't matter. All right, 1,500 Americans are dying a day approximately of COVID. So on HBO, Bill Maher was proclaiming the pandemic is over. If you got 1,500 people dying a day, the pandemic's not over. Prove to me that it's from COVID, bro. Sure, just I'll throw in the link about how death certificates are compiled, right?  Of course not, but overall, there's no difference from dying from COVID or with COVID in 99.9% of the times. Because the average length of time that it takes to die from COVID is about 14 days. And the average number of years that are taken away by each COVID death is about 14, 16 various studies in between 10 and 16 years of COVID death. So people think that's so brilliant, that there's this big distinction between dying of COVID and with COVID. No, there's no distinction, 99.99% of the time. Fat people have been living for five decades and then dropped dead from COVID, died from COVID, right?  So Bill Maher is railing against ongoing COVID restrictions declaring the pandemic over. Just Resume Living, says Bill Maher. Well, as long as you've got hundreds of Americans dying a day from COVID, you can't make a very credible case of the pandemic's over. So we've got a higher death right now than in March of 2020 when we shut down the country. So if you have stage poor cancer, I don't know, how long do people live with stage poor cancer? So the virus will never go away. Obviously it will eventually mutate to something that is increasingly less threatening, eventually.  And it's unrealistic to expect people to live under pandemic protocols, right? Particularly when there are highly effective vaccines that are readily available. So yeah, I think all the mask mandates once you've got people vaccinated, not nearly as pressing an issue. And yeah, the evidence for the utility of masks is somewhat mixed, but it strikes me as common sense in an influenza pandemic. Yeah, where masks when you're around other people. Stage four death means one to six months. Covich move it. Hundreds of your fellow Americans are dying each day of this. So why are you bored? Why does this bore you, right? Do you feel anything about your fellow Americans? Do you feel any connection, any care, any concern about your fellow citizens? I mean, are there anyone, do you care about anyone? Do you love anyone? If people you loved were dying of COVID, would that have any effect on you? Or you just don't care. Anybody could die and who cares? So isn't it great to be an American? Like we get to choose our own adventure with boosters. All right? So you can take any booster you want now, apparently. So hyper-individualistic Americans can now chart their own course, right? So whatever you want. So you got two Pfizer vaccine shots. Now you can choose a completely different booster. I mean, isn't this amazing? This is what makes America great. That's why I hope you had a day of praise and prayer and getting higher and higher because you live in America, guys, and you can choose your own booster. So authorized by the FDA, people may opt to mix and match based on availability or preference. So the FDA tells Americans what vaccines they're allowed to get and the CDC advises people on what they should get with different options. I love science when science changes every second day. Yeah, when new evidence comes in, what would you want science to do, right? We haven't had a pandemic like this for probably a hundred years and we've never developed vaccines so quickly as we have this time. So as evidence comes in, yeah, it's gonna often be confusing, but that's why you've got 40 here and 40 university. So the early recommendation from the CDC was Americans should stick with the brand that they got in their first go round. But now we can just mix and match our boosters. Isn't that great? They love being an American, so much freedom. You can mix and match our boosters. Okay, let's go Brandon is not going away. Yeah, let's go Brandon is here to stay. Please bro, evidence doesn't come in every couple of days. Studies take much longer than that. Studies are not the only form of evidence. The news changes every day. The news changes sometimes every hour, every minute. Don't love it, vaccines can be approved in weeks instead of years. Well, we took almost a year to approve COVID vaccines. So they were pretty thoroughly studied and all the vaccines approved for use in the United States approved overwhelmingly safe, overwhelmingly effective. So your odds are getting hospitalized or dying from COVID after you've been vaccinated. Your odds have been reduced to about one out of 30, one out of 40. So big, big three-part issue in the Washington Post red flags examining January 6th before during after. As Trump propelled his supporters to Washington law enforcement agencies failed to heed mounting warnings about violence on January 6th. Everyone's a virologist now. So we got a big election in Virginia. So I remember I met Tip O'Neill, the former speaker of the house and I was touring the Capitol with my parents in the summer of 1980, I was 14 years of age. And Tip O'Neill walked down the steps about to get into his limousine and he said, good evening, folks. And I was like, wow, that's Tip O'Neill, the speaker of the house said hello to us. And Tip O'Neill said, all politics is local. Well, now it seems like most politics is national. So Jeff Greenfield got an essay here, Virginia buries an enduring political myth that all politics is local. So no, now in the United States, in particular and throughout the industrialized world, politics is overwhelmingly national. So come on, what are some of the highlights from Charlottesville today? I mean, there's gold, man. Comedy gold today. I think my favorite quote is Samantha saying, Richard told me this was the closest to being Elron Hubbard creating his own religion that he was gonna get. And he bragged about how people saw him as a guard, but young men worshiped him and that women wanted him. Why was Richard Spencer cross-examining Matt Heimbach at the Unite the Right trial? Because Richard Spencer can't afford an attorney. So Richard Spencer is representing himself and therefore as a defendant in this trial, he is in pro-po, he's representing himself. So he gets to act as his own attorney. So you really don't wanna get into lawsuits, in pro-se, because you never know what's gonna come out. There are all sorts of embarrassing things that you've likely said and done. You don't want reveal to the world and a lawsuit is a significant escalation in a few. I'm not sure many people are gonna have their reputations enhanced by this Unite the Right trial. Yeah, Richard Spencer should have hired fours Jewish lawyer, Justin Levine. He was quite good, yeah. Justin Levine represented me in three live vote lawsuits. Bye-bye.


Okay, thanks everybody for joining this committee call and we are kicking off now the the meeting. And we are sharing here the collaborative notes so if everyone cannot speak and would like to contribute in a written form or you can also directly type here. And, okay, so I'm giving the floor to Ali, to start this committee call. Thank you. I will follow up with a with a round table than Julia and thank you very much for supporting today's event Julia is actually participating at another event which is across the Atlantic. It's very early for her the moment but she insisted that she will be there because she really wants to see and take part in the discussion so thank you, thank you Julia. Yeah, so, I mean, let's start with, let me see with no particular order as how I see the participants list so please don't get offended it's not me it's zoom to blame.  Yes, or audio, but Alan you're from EPFL, at least I know you so I can maybe introduce you. You can type okay good good let's let's let's do that. Yeah. This is a good test to see who writes quicker, I know I wouldn't be the quickest. I would fail. Yeah, from EPFL library Swiss Federal Institute of Technology in Lausanne, active in data management support yes and this is actually how I know Alan, like, we met two years ago I think we still have things to to finish reminded. But let's, let's see now with a new involvement of the software, we can definitely allow more things for the template. Where am I again let's open the list. Nice to see you here Alan. I see Diego Morgave. Please feel free to open my camera, whatever you feel comfortable or type. Okay, okay, I see, I see the chat from in red and not available for this meeting. No worries. You can always listen. Nice to, nice to also have you here. Yes. So, I'm Joachim Phillips and from Stockholm University. I've been working with research data management since October 2016. And in also with the DMPs with, in particular with DMP online service and in that function it has been very interesting to follow Argos on the side to to compare and so I tried to follow the development of this tool, but I have to confess that recently, I have been devoted to other tasks. So I haven't worked much on it, but I'm eager to catch up on what's new. So, thank you. Good. Thanks, Joachim. Then we have john from Spain. Hello. Yes, my name is Johnny with the. Sorry. Don't never mind that it's okay. From the emails. We don't have a pronunciation. I know. We are very little university in the northern part of Spain, the best country. And we have started a last course, talking about DMPs and a helping our researchers with with the DMPs, because the European Commission is asking them in the grant agreements. So we are very new. And we are, well, we have just translated the Argos to our language we have a not even. We have, we speak Spanish also but we speak Basque is our country language, so a regional language, I mean, and we are working with Ellie, and we are very grateful to her, because we she's helping us very much, but we are very new. So, wishing to learn as much as possible. And then I have changed Maria change. Maria Maria. Maria. Hello, everyone. And my name is Maria Codopini. I work with family. In our center. And I'm providing tests for Argos show the quality. Thank you Maria Maria is every day living for testing Argos and making sure that the quality of the software that we release is fine. Thank you. Thank you Maria so much for the dedication and enthusiasm also in your role. Then we have again sorry if I mispronounced your name. Saha. Well, you're not going to, you're not able to correct me, which is, okay, I'll go with Saha. I'm from a special advisor in data management from the Royal Dennis library in Denmark. And you're again, neither in the possibility to speak that's fine. No worries, but glad that you were able to make it and thank you for joining us. It's good to have you here. Then we have Stefania. Hi, everyone. I'm Stefania model. I'm engagement and training officer at open air. I'm involved in several open science projects and in particular, in one with Ellie that where we're working to advance Argos to include aspects related to reproducing reproducibility in data management plans. Nice to meet you. Thank you Stefania. Yes. This is an interesting thing. I'm very happy to, like I'm looking forward to share what we will come up with in this project with everyone here in the community. Let's see. We're getting there. Okay, let's see. Well, thank you. My name is sorry, my name is Teresa. I'm research coordinator at university library in Sweden. I've been in this field for, well, about one and a half years. Yeah, if it comes to data management plans, I do much of our teaching work. I'm not so much the person behind the surface building templates and those sorts of things. So we have so far used the impion line and we are excited to learn more about Argos. So that's going to be a very interesting journey, I believe. And yeah, I'm grateful to be here and happy to learn more. Thank you so much. Thank you, Teresa. And I see that Sahaa also says that they're also working with the impion line and would like to know more about Argos. So that seems to be the theme. Um, and we have two new people that joined while we were. Yeah, while we were doing the introductions. It's again taking it from alphabetical older that I see that zoom provides, are you a value though I made that. Hi, would you like to say a few things about you. Who you are where you work. What interests you. Okay, I'm from Brazil. I'm doing PG in Coimbra University. And I'm here to understand a little bit more about what you're doing about data because by my whole life I've worked in companies that manage enterprise data. That's why I'm here. Okay, we are focusing on the DMPs. Is that okay for you. Yes, I'd like to, let's say, and understand that what I can do knowing about infrastructure data infrastructure, I'd like to, to create a link between, let's say, data infrastructure with the DMP. Okay, I see. Okay, then you're in the right place. Okay, because I was, you know, confused maybe you're not maybe we're wasting your time but no we're not. Okay, you're okay. Good. Nice to, nice to meet you. Nice to have you here. And Paula, last but not least, I think you were, you entered later. I, hello, I entered late. Do you want, do you want me to give some context about the Portuguese about Minho. Yes, please, please go ahead.  Okay. So I work at the University of Minho, and we have an articles open DMP instance at the university within the project with with other institution a polytechnic project polytechnic institutes that we together are creating an open DMP instance for to have our Portuguese from their template and to in a long term to create a template for the, for the university also, among other services that we are creating to, to help researchers and to to fulfill their, their work within research management and in their projects. Thank you. Thank you, Paula. And another one, another colleague joined. Vicky, I see you joined now. Would you like to introduce yourself. Hello. Good afternoon to all. I'm a newcomer. I could say I'm Vicky from the Athens University of economics and business library information center. I am at the beginning of inverting with our course and all these topics. We have a regular cooperation with a in different themes here in Athens. And I'm happy to join you today. We happy to have you, Vicky. Okay, I think that's all right. Sorry, if I do I miss. Oh, there's someone in the waiting room. Sorry, I admit. I see. Hi, met meton. Hello, meton. Can you hear us. Sorry if I'm mispronouncing your name. Hi, meton. Hopefully you can hear us. Maybe if you want if you hear us if you want to introduce yourself and write some things in the chat that would be great to get to know you better. Okay, then. Unfortunately, we could not understand basket. I would I would like to be capable to do that one day though. Right. Yes. So today's meeting is, you know, we're celebrating this is an international and access week. Most of us have been both open access, moving to open science which includes data which includes software and all the different elements. And, again, I told you that I was, I am actually at the RDA, not in Vienna in Vienna is where my flight went, but I'm in Salzburg. And we had a very nice discussion yesterday in the session about the MPs which I really wanted to bring to our community as well and see how we can better support researchers and institutions also and funders and essentially what we can do in this ecosystem to promote data management and management plans and make it a tool that it is not like a pain for is not perceived as a pain or a burden from researchers. Yes. So I wanted to let me see. Another thing that I could mention since since you want to know few things that are happening. Opener got a project, a European open sense code project that focuses on creating the links between scientific knowledge graph data management and for assessment tools, and we will be working with the community to establish interoperability the interoperability layer that is needed across those different tools and piloting what we the outputs of our work. And then piloting them as a commons and then piloting them in different countries and different domains. So that's the project will start in 2024. Of course, I can every six months or once in a while, maybe in our October meeting which is a more of a discussion and celebration we could also bring things from this project that are relevant to the MPs into into our community to to be aware of what's happening also, but at the European level of course in the context of the years. I'm very excited for this project to start in 2024. And that means that this will influence also the developments in Argos and the open the MP software that is behind it because it will support some of those national and less of the domain specific but more national pilots. So maybe we can have like an idea of how the discussion will do the different things that the discussion could have like, we can save you things about the technical challenges that we would like to overcome. Maybe again this project could be a good opportunity to do that. The policy related issues like what do we feel that could be done from funders or institutions to support them, and maybe the more procedural who would like to start like with their their perception their experience and maybe their ideas of things that don't work and how to move it forward. Maybe if, if I can ask you here. You spoke about the project that we start in next year that open air is involved in the interoperability layer. Open air is coordinating it. Yes, maybe for some of the users that are here present the part of interoperability is still something that is difficult to understand. And what is a knowledge graph, it's not something that is known by all the users. So since today we have a lot of newcomers, maybe we can explain that this kind of jargon that for the newcomers is hard. But what is a knowledge graph, maybe is the first step. And then we can also explain what is an interoperability layer. Well, and knowledge graph is a database entities and links between them, let's say. So it's like, we, we get opener at least the graph that opener has maintains is getting information from funders from journals from repositories from registries of any type like protocols, data software, whatever it is, getting all this information, the duplicating applying some text data mining to ensure that Yeah, everything like everything is classified. Well, and then this them creates this huge, let's say, graph of entities and links between them like the entities that we have at the moment are projects, researchers, organizations, funders, outputs like data sets, publication software, the MP is available in other outputs that can, we can see all the links between them. And these are also searchable through the opener discovery called portal which is exploded opener that are you. And this is actually the instance of opening the software that is hooked in this graph and gets and gives also so it's a two way communication with this graph so we get information from the graph through some endpoints, shoot through some endpoints, and we make the searching of information for a repository where to deposit for metadata standard what metadata strategy use easier inside the template so that the researchers don't have to click to a link and go to an external research for example, and leave, let's say the platform. Ingestion retrieval it saved information easier and then we also make sure that when we publish something we send this information to the knowledge graph to this graph, so that we also enhance this graph with the information that the DMP holds interoperability. I mean, it's a minimum. We have a standard that we are using it's the provided by RDA the RDA DMP common standard. So I did here in the chat. And this will be extended. And also in the context of work that we're doing with Stefania in this part for reproducibility. So what, what the standard does is provides a minimum set of entities and properties that should be common across all different DMP tool providers, so that if we take the DMP and downloaded from Argos and uploaded on DMP online, for example, since many of you mentioned, then no information will be lost, not the information at least that the standard requires or requests, because DMP might have more information in it, but the standard has a minimum set. Is that understood. Okay. Yes. Yes, while I remember, I want to say. You asked for the problems with the person to DMP tools. I can think of a few. For example, DMPs. Research which outputs, yes. But is specifically for DMPs. There is currently very little in motivation or to publish your DMP. And also very few DMPs have kids, which is necessary to connect them to the, to the knowledge graph. So that's one problem. And another huge problem is that the most funder templates that that are present are are simply text based and not compliant with, with the, the RDA DMP common standard. So, so these are two big problems. I know there are attempts being made also in DMP online that we've been using to, for example, they've added recently research outputs and if you, but again, I think the motivation on, on the, on the user side and the researchers to, to, to put in something there is minimal. So, so there has to be some, some ways of motivating researchers to, and also, I mean, one way of doing that would be to offer better templates like, like in Argos, or so, and make it easier to fill out those DMPs. And what you're, where, where you're heading. And we appreciate that, but I think it will still, for some time still a lack in motivation for. So you're. Yeah, thank you. So your point is, has two different things. So one is the PIDs for DMPs, which is not very common. And we offer that through Argos that this is true. And we offer that also as a software, we follow the data side and the core vocabulary. And then the other thing is the, yeah, I mean the awareness and the incentives basically of researchers. Actually, yes. So today I was also in a Greek webinar. That was about providing support to researchers on how to deposit their data in data repository in a university repository. I had to talk, the first part of the session was talking about this, where to share your data, where to deposit your data, which is something that they can understand. Easier. You go there, you click upload, it's uploaded, there's a form, you add the title of the data, you know the license, click submit and then someone receives it curated and I brought in curated and then it's available on this data repository, right. Something that they can understand. But when we talked about the DMPs still seems to be like the, the topic that is very difficult for them. And I think it made me think at least that what we probably, apart from the tools that we have and we support and engage with researchers through the tools is to provide a curriculum or a sort of course or set of courses that breaks down the different elements of the DMP in a very like simple way and straight way so that they can digest it. I think I don't know if you have any examples. Teresa, you said you mentioned that you train in this topic, maybe you want to share your experience and examples that we could also adapt. Thank you. Well, we have. I would say we have good experiences from the workshops that we give. Our success rate is not 100%. So, if you look at our course evaluations, there are still people after a workshop who do not say that they do not know who to ask if they have questions about our DMP tool. But I think the majority of people feel that they, that they can write the data management then at least gets started. I think in the workshops that we give, I tried to explain that data management plans and research plans are different things. I have different structures that different points that go into these documents and those sorts of things. And one thing that I find important is giving them a demonstration showing how to use a template and showing them that it's possible to write a draft of the data management plan in about half an hour if one has a question-based template. And at this point, I would like to say thank you to Joakim because they were first with question-based templates in Sweden and they shared their template with us so that we could use it to build our template. And that makes the work to write data management plans easier. We cannot do it without free text. Not completely, but in many cases that makes work easier. We have not come to the point that we really can offer a tool for data management plan that makes the administration that researchers have to do easier for them. We have some attempts to do that. There is a project going on in the consortium of the Swedish National Data Services at the KTH and Chalmers. And they look into machine-readable data management plans, but with other tools. They have a DMP online and data storage business. So they have made some progress, but it's not ready to be rolled out to a larger audience. I've also seen a very nice example at a university college. They have a combined, they have a home-built tool where researchers can on the one hand write the data management plan and on the other hand report processing of personal data. So they do two things in one step and apparently that is very much appreciated. That is also one of the questions that we would like to explore. To what extent can we integrate the work to write data management plans into the administration of our university? Yeah, for different reasons to make life easier for the researchers, but also to get approval from other important persons at the university, our lawyers, security experts and so on. And starting from there, I think we can look how can we integrate other open science tools, repositories for instance. Yeah, but if we come back to teaching, I think an important point is, I would say, starting with research plans because most researchers are good at writing proposals and research plans. They know that and then say, okay, if you write a data management plan, we use a different structure, different things go into it. These are the differences and that seems to help. Thank you. Thank you very much. You also covered a lot of things. And thank you. Yes. Definitely. It should be like from a technical point of view should be a tool that connects and supports the administration. Because there are so many different steps for researchers to take and to manage the data, different committees and ethical committee, for example, that they have to consult data access, maybe committee. And, yeah, different, different people inside the organization. So that's something that we support. And this is actually, yeah, this, this, this we support and you will, we can, we can show an example of how we do that later this year in the new release. So what you said, Teresa, for the, the local to that you can add your information in one, two, and then have two different types of reports that's also something that for sure suppose so we need to make sure that we, we help researchers also in that, in that matter. And yes, in terms of the training. So, examples of how they can better their work basically their efforts. Okay. Thank you. Thank you so much. Anyone else that would like to contribute to the conversation. For example, I reviled them. Since there is also mentioned integrations with administrative administrative life lifecycle, let's say. Maybe that's something that looks familiar, similar to your case. We cannot hear you, you're muted. Yes, to be honest with you all. I'm here trying to find a way. I always worked as I said before, I always worked with data infrastructure. And I know that, for, for instance, one of the goals of the oldest project like open hair and so on. They use or they manage the data to be stored in any place I don't I don't care about this. And I'd like to, let's say, use my understanding in data infrastructure to, let's say, to find a way to be more productive to more to be more secure, and so on. And I try to understand what this data management plans need to do. Of course, I understand that they, they will not the main reasons to have this is to have a common way to, to exchange information between researchers and so on. And I'm trying, I'm here trying to find, is there a way for to use my understand infrastructure to be more productive in ways to, because today, what you see today in terms of data management in general is that every day there seems to be a new way to to store data. And, of course, and we are seeing all the time, data growing and growing and growing. And there has to be a way to understand that, let's say, in five years or 10 years, maybe we will have another way to store data. In the future, or at least for some period of time, I don't know. Is there a way to use our understanding how to manage data to be ready for the future. Yeah, I don't know if he, I see you. I'm here to do I try to understand the way you do things to maybe to help you see what you're not doing the future. That's my main reason to be here. I see. So you see DMPs as the tools and the let's say yes as the tools that will show you where, like the storage capacity, like how it grows and evolves maybe and where where like the services that are used the size of the data so you're more interested in on the, let's say, tracking of the storage through monitoring the DMPs evolution, let's say. So you want to know, yes, in the section for example DMPs talks about costs talks about a size of data where they are stored the service, so you're more interested in that. I now understand the case. Yes, you can. Yeah, for sure. But that I'm trying to understand this environment, you know, I'm trying to understand this environment to see if the knowledge that I have today can help in the future of in terms of my feeling, open access, open data, open science is everything that I think that is really the need for the future for the humanity. And I'm not saying thinking about only about me or about some institution. I think that is very important for the humanity. Definitely. Thank you. I think though that your, your approach is more on the exploitation of the DMPs than of the creation of the DMPs which they relate though they relate, because for example in Argos or the software, you can have a section where it is about storage, and you can add as many questions as you want make it as specific or as minimum and minimal as you want. And connected to the storage capacity of the university, for example, so that you know, at the beginning of the research activity, what they will need the researchers will need, because they will have added like I don't know five terabytes. This is very extreme example. And then at the beginning you see the actual consumption and what they did, I mean what they used, you compare and then, yeah, then you exploit basically you do your own analytics and yeah. Okay, I see, I see. Okay, thank you. And you are Kim. Yes, I think it was very interesting. Well, this perspective here because you're actually touching upon some of the possible incentives for the from the researcher perspective to make infrastructure and DMPs as part of the infrastructure into something that ceases to be hindrance to doing research but actually is perceived as a benefit. This, these tools help me keep track of my own research and access other research data and research outputs that could be be usable for me as a researcher. So, so I see both these measures of access and security and ordering of your of all your data because the many researchers today have their data spread out and their outputs spread out on private hard disks and cloud servers and whatnot. And not having actually complete overview of what they have so if DMPs could actually, I mean, serve these purposes to make life easier for researchers, then they could, I mean, then I think they would, there would be more incentive to also to share DMPs and publish them and make them part of the knowledge graph so so so I think you're on to something important here. I also see Alan has a comment I think he writes, I think the main challenges around DMPs are more social, political than technical. We can design very smart tools. It will not help much if people are not interested in using them. Yes, researchers are understandably not super excited by DMPs whether they are word processing documents or online questionnaires. In a past log data weeks, we have produced short movies with horror stories about loss of data, missed deadlines, etc. That was quite fun actually but I think it would be much better if we could show success stories. Yes, researcher testimonies where they could explain where the DMP has been useful for them in terms of time, energy, I'd rather avoid the topic of money to close to the ground application situation. Yes. So success stories. That's also yes, I think I think that's also something that we need to You don't have a success story though yourself. Okay. We can find success stories. I'm pretty sure that we have many not for the whole DMP but you know for a specific area that the DMP tackles and we can build on that. Yeah, but I really like your your comment, your right. So since you. Okay, by Zaha and Paula, thank you for joining. But yes, in terms of since you mentioned political influence let's say and how things don't play well for DMPs. One thing that was mentioned yesterday in the session was the lack of understanding researchers their lack of understanding what kind of details should go into the DMP. They don't know. They might know where to start, which is what Teresa mentioned, but they don't know where to stop. So that's, that's something that was mentioned yesterday. And the idea, the idea of the discussion was like, can funders support this can funders support the community. Present what what level of detail they search. How they evaluate the DMP is because this is close. This is a very close to the activity. It's not open. So the DMPs are evaluated and what is perceived a good DMP, which may may may be also is what you were saying Alan with the success stories. But who is the person to say that this is a good DMP isn't the funders and institutions that have the policies. Open discussion. Who wants to take, take the mic. Maybe I can start because I, okay. I see. Sorry, I saw your hand. Yes. Thank you. That is difficult. Because we do not have. We do not have evaluation criteria for data management. I think we can give advice to researchers if you see that there are some things that obviously are not going to work. But as we so far do not have many success stories. I think we were desperately looking for researchers who were, who were willing to share their good experiences from writing data management and so forth. We haven't found them. Which does not mean that they don't exist, but they do not. They do not seem to be in our near environment. Let's put it like this. Yeah. So, at the moment it comes down to formal aspects. So basically administration of all legal requirements fulfilled are the formal policies of a funder fulfilled if it comes to data management plan. We can try to share things that did not work for us when we worked with research and where data management plan possibly could help. But we do not really have examples. So, thanks to having a data management plan, this project went much more smoothly than it otherwise would have been the case. So, yeah. If it comes now to our situation in Sweden, we have some major funders who require data management plans, but they don't want to see them. So that's up to the universities and the departments to make sure that data management plans are there. Yeah, that makes it also difficult to make progress. So sorry, and a real success story yet. We very much would like to have one. And I think that links a bit back to what I said earlier. Perhaps we can come closer to success stories if researchers see that writing a data management plan reduces the burden of administration. That might be a way that works perhaps. Thank you. Thank you very much. And I see Joachim has a hand up. Yes, connecting to what Teresa just said. So, since the funders are not interested in seeing the DMPs and evaluate them in any way. So, this task is now in principle in Sweden on the head of departments, shoulders, and they don't have time or to really assume this. But in our local template at Stockholm University, we have a checkbox that the researcher is supposed to fill in to stating that the head of department has seen my DMP and approved it as fulfilling the requirements from the funder. So that's one way. And we also have developed a schema Tron validation schema, which it tries to evaluate the DMP on not the DMP actually but the full what the statements in the DMP would entail in terms of complying with the fair principles. So, given that they fulfill everything that they say they will in the DMP, they will get a certain fair score on all the FAI and R levels. But we have not as yet. I mean that the plan was to to communicate this evaluation back to the research is for for feedback, but we have not done that yet since we have to we are still developing this tool but and also I mean, as as the developer of it, I tend to think that who am I to do this evaluation. When it actually is not on our, it's not our task to do it, but the only reason I would do it, it would be to, if I knew that it could be of help to the to the researchers themselves so but but we're still thinking about that. Okay, interesting. Yes. And I see a land has books. Okay, has another comment. Transparency wasn't the right word to use. I don't mean the various actors are keeping the process obscure on purpose but the information that can probably be shared certainly doesn't circulate as efficiently as it could. That's true. This makes it difficult for everybody researchers support teams funders institutions to learn from each other. Yes. And since you mentioned in your game since you mentioned the fair compliance. This is also again, what does it mean like they ask about fair fair like apply for principles but how we can support the how we can support the when do we know that this is we reached the compliance, we don't know. I mean as researchers and this will provide some we don't know. So this is something that for sure I agree that we should pay attention to, let's say in the future. And actually, in the context of the new project that I mentioned we're going to get the input from different funders across Europe. See if they can help us understand what they want, so that we can, you know, dry a line and say okay, this is the minimum that you do and this is the nice to have. Maybe, let's see. Sorry, must leave yes by by Johnny. Nice to have you here. Yeah, and I see that we're actually, and it's, it's three Central European time. So we should be wrapping up. I don't know if you have any last points that you would like to be heard. Okay, then. Thank you very much. And you will see each other in the month from now. And we'll have many things to share in terms of new developments that some of you wanted. So, yeah, we'll go back to the Argos and open DMP focus let's say discussion and demo next month. So, thank you very much. I really enjoyed this discussion. Hope we had more time, but let's see maybe in the future we can, we can, we have new opportunities. Bye bye. Thanks for joining everyone. Goodbye.


Ladies and gentlemen, the President of the United States. I think the love affair of the state of New Hampshire with Ronald Reagan began. If you remember in that primary, this state gave a first in the nation primary. The citizens of New Hampshire gave you an overwhelming victory that was really the beginning, where it all began in fact, of that march towards the White House. In the general election of 1980, and again in the general election in 1984, those margins grew even larger. Mr. President, welcomed in New Hampshire, this really is Reagan country. I would be remiss if I didn't take advantage of this opportunity to make a couple of points on behalf of our state. We welcome you to New Hampshire, we respect what you're doing, and we are thrilled to have you come visit us. Thank you very much. Thank you. Governor, Governor Sununu, Senators Humphrey and Rudman, Mayor Coyman, and you have two fine congressmen, Smith and Greg, whose wives are representing them here. But instead of coming here, they had to stay on the floor of the House of Representatives and defend yours and my interests, which they are now doing. And all of you ladies and gentlemen, you know I was told that some time ago Lafayette spoke here, and I wasn't around at the time, but they said that his crowd was bigger than the crowd today. I don't know about that, but I'll bet he wasn't any happier than I am today. It's a great pleasure to be with so many old friends. New Hampshire has a special place in my heart. I came here as the Governor told you in 1980 asking for your help. I know that many of you were active in that campaign. And together, we started something that has changed the face of the nation. And I'm going to continue trying to keep that change going until the federal government looks a little bit more like New Hampshire. Let me just take this opportunity to express to you my heartfelt appreciation. Thank you, New Hampshire. A lot of political pros come up here to test the waters, and I don't know why, I'm going to let that remind me of a story. I heard about one who was driving on a back road up here, and he looked out and noticed that there was a chicken running alongside the car, and he couldn't believe what he was seeing. So he stepped on the gas, and the chicken kept up with him. Then he spurred it ahead to about 70 miles an hour, and all of a sudden the chicken went by him and turned down a side road. Well, now he was really intrigued because he thought the chicken looked like it had three legs. So he turned down the side road and found himself in a farmer's barnyard. And the farmer was standing there, and he pulled up and he said, pardon me, but did you see a chicken go by here? And he says, yep, it's one of mine. Well, he said, I don't know whether I'm crazy or not, but tell me, it looked like it had three legs. And the farmer says, yeah, I breed him that way. He said, you breed him that way? Why? Well, he says, I like the drumstick. Ma likes the drumstick. Now we got Junior, and he likes the drumstick. I just got tired of fighting over him. And the fellow says, well, how did it taste? He says, I don't know. We haven't been able to catch one yet. So, well, I hope, I hope that unlike that farmer, the American people are beginning to enjoy the fruits of what we set out to do. There was a monster loose in our land back in 1980. Inflation was running at double digits for two years in a row. It was destroying the economic well-being of our people and tearing at the fabric of our free society. But we've put that monster in a cage and brought inflation under control. The latest figures have it running something well under 4%. And we're not going to stop until there isn't any inflation at all. Have we made a difference you bet we have? Our economy was in serious trouble. And today we've enjoyed 33 straight months of economic growth. Retail sales are up. Personal income is up. Overall unemployment is down to 6.9%. And more Americans are working than ever before in our history. And if someone cynically says, well, that's because there are more Americans today, no, the employment pool is considered to be everyone, male and female, between the ages of 16 and 65 are part of the employment pool. Well, today the highest percentage of that employment pool is employed than ever in the history of our nation. I think there's reason for optimism on the trade front as well. American industry has become vastly more efficient in the last few years. There's been a jump in worker productivity. And our tax rate reductions have stimulated heavy investment in new technology. This is the way to a more competitive America and lasting progress. What we can't be or do is be stampeded into the dark hole of protectionism, igniting a trade war that will undercut everything we've accomplished and in the long run throw millions of Americans out of work. The last trade war we fought was back in the 1930s. We brought it on ourselves with the smooth, holy tariff. It was called the Great Depression. I was looking for my first job in that Great Depression. What we must do and what we're committed to do is to see to it that there is free and fair and open trade on both sides of the ocean. We have created more than 8 million new jobs since this recovery began 33 months ago. Many of those jobs flowed from a tidal wave of new small business activity. Well over a million businesses were incorporated in the last two years. Most of them small operations, each the entrepreneurial dream of one individual. The grassroots free enterprise can keep America number one. On November 22nd there will be a meeting of the White House Conference on small business here in Concord to get New Hampshire's input on how to further expand the opportunities on Main Street America. I urge you to participate and to make your voices heard. New Hampshire already has a strong voice in Washington. And I want to thank you for sending one of the best delegations of any state to Washington. Senators Humphrey and Rudman and Representative Smith and Gregg are doing a terrific job in your behalf and in behalf of America. The way to progress is not as some in the nation's capital would have us believe to harness the energy of the American people by centrally directing it from Washington. You any of you want to be harnessed by the government planners? The way to a better life for all Americans is to free the energy of our citizens to let you the people make decisions with your own lives and to do that by getting the government out of your way. That's the plan for a more prosperous future. With freedom and the profit motive there's nothing we can't do. It's frightening to think of where we would be now had we permitted government policies of the last decade with their disastrous economic consequences to continue. Instead, together we set America on a new course and because we stuck to our principles life is improving. One of the accomplishments of which I am most proud is the turnaround that we've seen in poverty. When I campaigned here and throughout the country back in 1980 I said and still firmly believe the best cure for poverty is a strong and growing economy. The answer to helping those in need is not more welfare, government programs and dependency. The answer is growth, jobs and opportunity. Well after years of progress the number of poor people in America surged sharply upward in 1979 as the tax, tax spend and spend philosophy of the previous administration came online. Well it took time to put our program in place. Time to reverse previous trends. But as our program began to take hold in 1983 when it was finally fully in place contrary to certain news accounts that increase in poverty which had continued since 1979 and increased ground to a halt. And last year we witnessed one of the largest reductions in the number of people living in poverty in history. 1.8 million people lifted into new lives of progress and hope. One of the cornerstones of our economic program was a 25% across the board reduction in the tax rates. In the years before we got to Washington taxes had been skyrocketing. The federal tax take doubled just between 1976 and 1981 siphoning off strength and resources from the private sector and undermining any chance for economic growth. Our economy was being bled dry and the Liberals acted surprised when they found the patient was barely breathing. Well we put a stop to the tax spiral by offsetting tax increases built into the system. Without our changes, an average family of four with two earners in America would have paid $2,544 more in taxes in these last few years. I'm sure that being able to keep $2,544 more of your money has been good for you and for your family. Offsetting the built-in tax increases was a good start and it's paid off with more investment, more jobs and better times for everyone. Well that was step one. Now it's time to finish the job. Taxes are still too high. The system is unfair and too complicated. It encourages people to channel their resources into tax shelters rather than job creating investment. It's a boon to the tax experts and accountants and a drag on just about everyone else. There are politicians in Washington, some of the same ones who constructed this tax code monstrosity who say that you the American people are not interested in tax reform. Well that's why I came here. I want to simplify the system and overhaul it from top to bottom. I want to bring down the rates and close up the loopholes. Are those politicians right when they say you don't care? Can I count on your support to finish the job that we began in 1981? Thank you. You just made my day.  We propose to reduce the 14 tax brackets down to 3, 15%, 25%, and 35%. Virtually everyone will be paying at a lower rate. At the same time we'll be closing loopholes that distort economic choices, do nothing to improve our economy, and are downright unfair. Now let's not blame those who are using legal but unfair loopholes and write-offs. Let's just change the system so all of us are treated the same. Now one of the write-offs we're talking about concerns state taxes. Less than 40% of all taxpayers, usually the more well to do, use this write-off. The majority use the short form and don't itemize. So you don't get advantage of that as a deduction. So even for the people within the same state and within the same community, it is unfair. It is even more unjust for those who live as you do in low tax states. Thanks to the responsible leadership of Governors like John Sununu and his predecessors, New Hampshire is, as I said, one of the low tax states. So in effect the current system rewards rich states with big budgets and high taxes. You people who've been responsible and kept your budgets low don't receive an equal benefit, and that's no way to run a federal tax system. What we want is a tax system that encourages prudent management of resources, a system that rewards those who work by permitting them to keep more if they produce more. We want the ingenuity and creative talents of the American people channeled into beating the competition instead of focusing on beating the tax collector with schemes and maneuvers. We want a system that's good for the American family. We want a new tax system for all Americans, a fair share tax plan for everyone. So we propose raising the standard deduction for the American family to $4,000 and nearly doubling the personal exemption to $2,000. The political establishment back in Washington says you don't care about these things. Well, I say the Washington establishment is out of touch with the American people. America wants tax reform, and America deserves tax reform, and if we stand together, America is going to get tax reform. You know, one cannot come to this spot without remembering what New Hampshire has meant to America. The tranquility of your countryside, your lakes and forests, the majesty of your wooded hills and mountains gave birth to a new breed of people, people respectful of God, fiercely independent, and unafraid to stand up and be counted. In 1976, and then again in 1980, I traveled through your beautiful state, speaking at city halls and school gymnasiums and town meeting halls, and if anyone doubts that democracy is alive and well, let them come to New Hampshire. Live free or die is more than a model. It's more than a model. It's a way of life that we're bound and determined to preserve. And you know something? I don't think you'd be unhappy if a lot more of the other 49 neighboring states would adopt that same motto and we'd adopt it in Washington. The American Revolution that began here never died. It too started over unjust taxation. King George underestimated how much the people cared about this issue. Don't you think it's time for a second American Revolution? And we'll win this one too, together. We'll overhaul our tax structure. We'll continue building a society where people are free and opportunity is unlimited. One nation under God with liberty and justice for all. And now before I thank you for letting me be here today, I just have a little news note. There has been some information already that has leaked out about it, and I can tell the press that you're supposed to wait around because you're going to get a briefing from some others. I'm pleased to inform you if you haven't heard that Reverend Benjamin Weir, who was held hostage for 18 months in Lebanon, has now been released. I talked with Reverend Weir on Air Force One this morning, and I'm happy for him and his family. But I will not be satisfied and will not cease our efforts until all the hostages, the other six, are released. The Vice President plans to meet with the families of the six remaining hostages on Friday when they will be in Washington. And as I've said, a briefing for the press will occur here after I depart. But I want to tell you that on the plane, knowing about this and knowing that we had him back in America safe with his family, I wasn't going to say anything because we were going to make the announcement from Washington at 12.30. And then when I saw that some place along the line, some information had leaked and that I would be here until about 12.20, I thought, well, I'll just jump the gun on the fellows in Washington and tell you about it. We were trying to keep it so quiet because we don't want to do anything that endangers the chances of the other six. But now, God bless you all and thank you for letting me be with you here today. Thank you very much. We know you're not going to come back for the next primary, but we do know that you have a fondness for some of the winter weather we have up here. We asked this to have a little bit of Irish green in it, but it's a sweater that says, I love New Hampshire. And just to remind you that New Hampshire believes that the best tax reform is low taxes, Mr. President, New Hampshire, as is our primary, first in the nation in tax reform. The young lady who made this is right down here in front. God bless you and thank you very much. Thank you, Carol Nato.


We all know that cats go absolutely insane for certain things such as catnip. But give your cats some sugar and it's going to look at you in a very very strange way. Why? Well, it turns out that cats do not have sweet taste buds. So they have absolutely no idea what sugar or something sweet actually tastes like as they just cannot appreciate it in the same way as we humans do. So if you owe a cat, stick to the salty and meaty things because they are going to love you for that. Rather than giving them something for which they have no taste whatsoever. What are you doing? Oh no.


So we're continuing this team of business in the SDGs and we're delighted to have Gail Shuler Who's the VP and Chief Sustainability Officer of 3M? It's a pleasure to join you today. Thank you Gail, thank you for being with us and We're really talking about with you one of the iconic companies of the world and one of the great problems, which is the chemical industry petrochemicals pollution Circular economy and so forth and you're right at the center of it. You're an expert on this on material science and unsustainability, so could you introduce what 3M is thinking about what the problems are the Legacy issues and where you're heading Yeah, so well 3M is a company that's been around since 1902 we were founded in northern, Minnesota by five industrious Businessmen that thought that they were going to establish a mining operation so it used to be Minnesota mining and manufacturing and The thought was they were going to mine that highly valuable hard mineral called corundum and and as Science evolves they found out that what the land they bought really didn't have corundum at all it had much softer virtually non economically viable material called an orthocyte and So they're their plans of creating sandpaper with that really didn't pan out, but what they did was they innovated through this and they found that the That they invented a wet or dry sandpaper because now instead of just using the mineral as the hard piece They created a coating on it that would create a new sandpaper. So 3M started as a failure Not having what they thought they had and innovated to make something brand new And so that's how sandpaper started that led to That's how wet or dry sandpaper. So if you're used to using sandpaper and it's okay to get it wet That came from 3M and then you know sometime later We were selling sandpaper a gentleman named Dick Drew was serving our customers and went into the auto industry as the auto industry was just starting and Help was helping them with abrasive solutions, but quickly realized that wasn't the real challenge that they were facing in that space and What the challenge was in the 1920s was creating cars that had two different paint colors on them But if you're going to put two paint colors on a car, how do you separate one from another? And so he went into the labs and figured out that if we removed the mineral We would take the backing from our wet or dry sandpaper and have just the right adhesive Suddenly you could create a masking tape That would allow for the masking of materials and have paint of one color next to paint of another color These things didn't exist before that time and we could go down through many things that have been innovations through the years whether it's Respirators to help people breathe clean air when they're working in challenging environments which then turn into filtrate filters in people's homes or Whether it's traffic signage that helps save millions and millions of lives all around the world by making signs visible Daylight and at night time under wet or dry conditions And so we continued we're a very science-based company That's at our core and we continue to reinvent things as as we evolve and as as our Environment isn't in place. We have Moving forward now and time in 1975. We set forward a program. That's called pollution prevention pays it was Revolutionary at its time to think that pulling things out of a product and reducing pollution would really Reduce not only the waste that's coming whether it's from material waste or or water waste soil waste air pollution But moving that out would also Actually save money And so over time we have saved over two billion dollars just in first-year savings alone from that products and 2 million metric tons of waste have been pulled out just on based on first-year savings In 1990 we sent forward our first Sustainability goals because we recognize that there were important things that we could do with our own footprint And so those goals at that time were really about our own footprint And what could we do to make sure that we were producing those products that help people save lives Whether it was through traffic safety or our safety and breathing for workers or health care applications But we we could also do better with our own footprint and so we focused there And so over time we've advanced those sustainable goals that we've had and continued to identify ways that we can Further advance so in 2015 we brought forward our current Sustainability goals based on five global challenges and there they're 14 of those We've been there they're set to mature in 2025 and we're making good progress overall some stronger than others and That well and then just this past year We've brought forward a new framework for us around sustainability We have our new CEO has been in the role a bit over a year Mike Roman is leading us and he brought forward in his first investor meeting commitments for us to to recognize the ability that we have to really address lives and impact around the world and we identified three areas to help with an ambition to improve every life and Use our science to do that So it was about science for circular to a help advance a circular economy and Then it was about science for climate which we're all here in New York and really focused on efforts on how do we help? adapt and mitigate climate challenges and Then it was about science for community Bringing those things forward to help in the health care space and help in the Help in various safety areas and ways that we help people all around the world So we tend not to think of ourselves actually as a chemical company, but more of a diversified Group we do have chemical operations. We have no patrolling of operations. Yeah, but we exist in 70 countries around the world we employ 90,000 employees all serving a common vision around Bringing together science and the latest in technologies that we can bring to bear collectively collaborating with others to help improve lives Could you give us a picture? You're leading the sustainability effort in the company How you view the regulatory and competitive environment because 3m's trying to do things right. There are a lot of companies that don't do things, right that are directly competing with you or Maybe a level playing field would be helpful for you in terms of a common global set of standards and so on So how does that play out? Tell us as you know, those of us in The policy community, what should we hear from you about how to make this work and how to make sure that you're doing the Right thing but also that the best companies are able to get the advantage for doing the right thing Yeah, Jeffrey. I really appreciate that comment because regulations are so important and Having the right regulations is really important because It helps the companies who are doing the right things and really advancing and challenging themselves to really Get full credit if you will and then it can mitigate risks in other places. We've been quite Active in areas where we're relevant. We believe in science-based regulations too often. There can be knee-jerk reactions and I'm As guilty as anyone is wanting to jump on board with some things that just seem like the right idea But then when you really learn all the science behind it You start to recognize that oh wait, we just made it impossible to do certain things that we do want to do So, you know, we've been really involved in helping with traffic safety, for example Helping with worker safety and in health care areas But you know that the concern is that sometimes there's unintended consequences if we go through regulations Without being fully informed so for regulators and people who are working in regulatory policy my consult would be to to partner To partner with those who are working hard in the space and really be informed about what can be done And what can't and what and the other thing that I I love to do when there's you know potential regulations at stake and gosh It seems like there are in every in every place where we're working these days is to partner with different groups So it's really important To make sure that we have the the groups that understand what's happening in the space from a manufacturing side as well as a Regulation side as well as a civil society side You know, you had a great discussion just now with Pat Brown and I love there's so many fabulous implications on Going with plant-based diets, but we need to pay attention to some of the unintended consequences with that as well and When we're looking at having nine possibly 10 billion people looking at living on the planet We need to be able to extrapolate in big ways with any things that we're doing and we also need to recognize the trends that are behind us and that One of the things that I look at from the sustainability area is to help make the things that are the right things to do truly Aspirational for people and I just that's something I love about impossible foods I think Tesla's gone a long way with electric vehicles I think there's a lot of things happening right now with renewable energy where they're the right things to do and So many people at first feel challenged by oh, that's change and maybe I'm concerned about it because of change But when you see how it can happen and how it really evolves into spaces that people want to be a part of that's a really exciting thing so many times companies have When a danger is found Have denied it until you know, they feel there's some answer or things have dragged on for a long time Big crisis and then you know finally maybe a solution is coming yesterday. I was part of a discussion about The ozone issue and how that was solved and that was a case where Dupont Was Making the chlorofluorocarbons and when the ozone depleting effects were Discovered they denied it denied it denied it and then re-engineered and finally came up with the an alternative Hydrofluorocarbons and then acknowledged it and then made a quite a dramatic change But given corporate culture and you're part of a giant iconic company How can we make that process work better so that it is? The companies are not so defensive at the beginning Also that there's a systematic process not a lobbying process, but just a systematic process of assessment And I think a lot of it also is how to keep again a Level playing field that the good companies aren't getting punished by the bad companies I just wonder if you you must live this Day by day year by year. What what what can you tell us about that? so We do always We're committed to working hard on our science We have approximately 10,000 scientists around the world working in a variety of things from health care applications to post-it notes to Things that help make electric vehicles possible And we we take our responsibilities around things really seriously. So if there's a new scientific Study or breakthrough that we're making we make sure that we're studying that well Is as you're probably aware? We had some chemistries that we had out in the 1970s that they were actually brought forward by the the US Navy under a commission wanting to find solutions to help people in confined spaces like submarines and to help put out fires and controlled spaces and We helped, you know, work with the Department of Defense to create Chemistry so we're able to that we're able to do those in ways fire retardants that helped Save thousands and thousands if not millions of lives over time But we did recognize with that particular chemistry is one example of something that we've studied with hundreds and hundreds of papers in the in the public literature that It had a persistent and bioaccumulative effect and that we were finding it in places we didn't expect so we actually went ahead and Chose to remove that from the market at the time And we chose to notify any peer companies who were producing in that space We actually brought forward to the EPA That that was going on and and and worked with them in a number of different ways, you know So in and then when we removed our product from the market We've seen a steady decline of that persistent material that we saw it's it's steadily declined and We've learned a lot more about it since then we continue to study that along with other products that you know We bring forward as we work on our our three pillars around sustainability, you know, we're constantly innovating in fact After we launched our strategic framework around sustainability with those three pillars We came out at COP 24 last year and announced that every new product that we launch Every new product that we commercialized starting in 2019 in this year must have a sustainability value commitment And so we work on what are the right ways to to help our scientists all around the world to make sure that Every new product we're launching has an advance versus its predecessor And so, you know some examples of that in the in the circular economy space So some of you may have familiarity with those classic scotch-brite sponges You know that the yellow sponge with the green scouring surface those as of this year those scouring fibers that the Sponges made from plant-based sources and has been for a long time and the fibers are now from 100 percent recycled plastics So things coming out of your former water bottles or or things, you know could be from the ocean or wherever So those are 100 percent recycled plastics. We're announcing This fall we are introducing thin salate made with a hundred percent recycled plastics So lots of new things coming. We just toasted one of our partners who's bringing in, you know The down-free outer wear and they're coming out with a hundred percent recycled or a hundred percent recycled material Parkas this year and they'll be down comforter down free comforters based with a hundred percent Recycled thin salate and things like that in the climate space, you know, we've launched products like Well, things that help electric vehicles last longer help cell phone batteries Yeah, yeah, and like waiting the vehicles themselves, you know with the materials. We also have can I ask you just about that? You're a major part part of that supply chain. Do you think the American automobile? companies are ready for a major transition to electric vehicles that this is That our industry is really gearing up for the reality of that or is it still are you feeling a big Surge or we're testing we'll see where do we stand on that right now that every Automotive company. I'm aware of yeah is working on electric vehicles now. There's different trade-offs They have different approaches some are farther than others And we're in conversations. I think we supplied a pretty much every out of a part of the battery side of that We have a piece in the battery side We have peace in the body, you know one of the things that happens as you lightweight vehicles whether it's to improve fuel and mileage or Or improve range and electric vehicles that you want to lightweight the vehicle And so you start shifting materials and we're a materials company So you shift from heavy materials like steel more and more to aluminum or polymer composite materials And what happens is with steel you use metal welds But when you move to aluminum or composite plastics you start to have different interfacial Challenges and so what happens is you start to use adhesives and set or tapes and so we're very involved Yeah, so things that stick it's to keep the car together, you know, and I'm telling you You know it came from sandpaper from one evolution after another You know it really and and ultimately that's a really important piece of how we adapted But also in the climate space where we're innovating in ways you might not expect We've been providing roofing granules to help it prevent, you know leakage into your home and protect your roof from Rain or hail for decades But did you know that that same technology that we use to coat the roofing granules to make them the color that you Want to coordinate with your house or your neighbors? We've now incorporated in there UV reflection reflecting to help reduce the urban heat island effect and also more recently we have Incorporated the ability to interact with smog in the air So particularly in places like Southern, California where there's a lot of air pollution in the air that the you can buy roofing granules Or buy your roofing shingles that look just like the ones you would have purchased anyway and they are actually engaging with the the pollutants in the air to Essentially the equivalent of one home is the equivalent of two trees Sorbents sorbents to pull Smog out of the air. So it's part of just continuing to reinvent recognize where we are today what technologies we have to bear how to be smarter about things and It's a continual reinvention and that's what makes it exciting Some Twitter question you're kind of covering them as they come in One is just to be how holistic really are you in your company? So people are just concerned about renewable energy sources for example or your supply chains like so it's good to have these Sparks of innovation in the product But in terms of just how comprehensive is this sustainable about them planning in your in your in your company? And the one was concerned about plastic And it's great that you mentioned that actually plastic is top if you know the chemistry is probably the most recyclable thing ever But you have one product, but how about their whole range of products? Is there still this plastic issue that you could try and yeah, yeah So great questions, and I'm really glad you brought up renewable energy because we've been a long time player Just like we've been in the car industry from the beginning or the electronics industry from the beginning We've been in the renewable energy components piece for the beginning and you know Ranging from things to help make them more reflective and last longer absorb Absorb a higher percentage get a higher yield essentially from your solar panels helping wind turbines last longer because of some Materials that are at the cutting edge of that and more durable But this year we announced and one of the goals that I mentioned from 2015 was to go to 25% renewable electricity and our global operations by 2025 It felt like a really big goal when we set it in 2015 Last year we surpassed it. So this year we have announced that instead of going to 25% by 2025 We're going to go to 50% of our global operations by But wait, there's more we flip the switch Second quarter so that our headquarters, which is one of our larger Using facilities of electricity went to a hundred percent right that day in partnership with our local utility Excel energy What's the source? It is wind from the state of Minnesota. So right there Minnesota win, Minnesota win And then we made a commitment with the RE 100 that we will convert our entire global operations to 100% renewable So we're really serious about that both from the supply side helping make it happen and From the use side of helping make sure we're walking the talk and we're advancing that and we're helping others do the same And I think that's one of the most important things around sustainability today is it is a partnership We talked about with regulators and civil society, but it's partnerships far broader than that It's with our customers. It's with our suppliers and and that's what we're working on So that brings me to the plastics piece because plastics is I do think one of the great challenges of our time We can debate about whether it's you know our meat footprint or the climate overall or plastics There are plenty of challenges and crises if you will to go around but plastics is one that I take really seriously and You know, I could give you two examples with you know our Scotch bright with insulate But there's a lot more and we have to do those in partnership with others one of the challenges with all of the plastic recycling that is conventionally done today is that each time you do a Recycling step you actually degrade the product and so, you know There were great examples earlier today in Indonesia with the plastics in the roads and we do things like that Benches and those are good uses, but the really higher place I believe to go and it requires a lot of science is to really reinvent to the same quality of Plastics and so we work with suppliers on how we do that We don't make plastics, but we do use them and we use them to help people Like I mentioned this group the worker safety a number of health care spaces Some of our packaging other things But what we're working on with our partners is chemical recycling and chemical recycling actually allows you to take the plastics Reprocess it to the same level that it had before and what that means is that That then creates the way for a truly circular economy, and I love that working with some of these Suppliers that we have and they do cross the chemical and Petrochemical spaces and and some of them have made the comment of you know if we were going to start today and re-event our Plastics supply chain we would not be pumping down Miles into the into the ground into the ocean and or fracking our way to produce the materials We would not be pulling this dirty Gunky oil out to create plastics. We would be pulling it from oceans. We would be mining it from landfills We would be doing so many things that it's so much closer to the end product So I personally like okay, so many of you in the room might not remember But I remember the days when aluminum cans would sit down You know on the side of roads and you would see aluminum as as a common waste material today That doesn't happen because we have a very smart Relatively efficient recycling process for aluminum I believe that in the course of our lifetimes and I would say all of our lifetimes We will close that supply chain for plastics. It does require us all to step in and have our role on it We don't make plastics, but we're a purchaser We partner with our suppliers to help close that loop and we need consumers that pull that and we know the science We know it's possible. Yeah, it requires things to be done differently, but that's what it's all about Gail, thank you so much very very exciting very encouraging. Thank you for being here Wow, I Think we heard a lot of great solutions and it's it's really wonderful to hear Thank you very much and