Good morning, Tracy. How are things for you today? Not too bad. How are you, Hart?  I'm just ready for the holidays. Yep. Do you have any exciting plans or? Nope. Just relaxing. Yeah, just stay at home. That's sometimes the best. I think so. Just, you know, How about you? Anything special? Nothing too exciting. I'm going to my girlfriend's parents' house. For a little while in rural Rhode Island. Oh. So it'll be quiet. Yeah. Little colder than I'd like, but. I have to break out my old winter clothing. Use like once a year now. Like, is this still something I can put on myself? I don't know. I have not a lot of clothes that are for cold weather. So. Yeah, same and all mine are like, oh man, they're approaching like 15 years old. I went to college in the Northeast and then I've been out in California ever since and I've just used them so little that it's, I still basically have the same ones because like, do I really want to replace them for like one time a year? Right. So. Sort of a. Yeah. Don't need it. Don't need it. I guess where you live either. So. No, not typically. Although it was 37 degrees when I woke up this morning. So. Mm hmm. It got down to 41 in San Francisco this week. Which is. Very surprising. Yeah, quite. Not normal. Since this starts recording. When the first person joins the meeting. I will leave it up to you to declare when the meeting has started. We'll give a, we'll give a few more moments. People are still joining and we don't yet seem to have. A quorum from the TSE membership. I'll, I only saw one regrets. From Jim. Yeah, showed up. I don't know if. TSC members saw the. Contribution. Campaign swag packs. Or put in form, but. We've got an email. You should be able to get a free one. Yeah, mine showed up this week. Cool. Let's go ahead and get started. Thank you all for joining the December 16th call with the TSC. As you all probably are aware, although we do have a couple guests today and welcome to our guest. You, there are two things that you have to abide by at the TSC meetings. The first one is the antitrust policy notice, which is displayed on the screen. And the second one is our code of conduct, which is linked in the agenda. So with that, we'll hit the announcements. As always. In the announcements, we have the dev weekly developer newsletter that goes out each Friday. So if you are interested in including anything in that dev weekly newsletter, there is link on the agenda to a wiki page where you can add your comments for inclusion in the, in the dev weekly newsletter. So feel free to add anything that you might have about your particular project or anything that's interesting going on specifically in your community or working through for SIG. So that's one of the things that we have highlighted to reach the community of hyper ledger developers. The second announcement that we have here is just a reminder that next week and the following weeks, meetings are canceled due to the end of your holidays. We will pick up the meetings the first week in January.  And that's the announcements that are listed here. Does anybody else have any announcements that they would like to make? I'm going to say there's one more for Dan. Daniela has an announcement by see a rune raises hands. So a rune. Hey, probably it's not an announcement. It's just a heads up because next couple of weeks, we're not going to have a call. If we had then maybe a few people would have joined and updated it. So some of the sakes and the chapters we are planning to collaborate across and run a long running hyper ledger challenge. It's going to be a long running challenge, not exactly a hackathon. The goal is to have more open source contributions and then bring in more people contributing into hyper ledger and also bring in new projects into labs. So that's an heads up. If you have some more details will be shared across over an email and also it will be shared across in coming weeks. And if you have any needs within your projects or if you have needs, let's say within some of your six that you participate, please bring in those problem statements and this challenge. So that's the heads up. Thank you. Great. Thanks. So another way to get additional contributors to the, your projects, your six, your working groups, your labs. Anybody else have any announcements they'd like to make? Well, Danielle hasn't unmuted. So there's, there's Danielle. Go ahead. What was my announcement? Well, okay, fine. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Who many of you know from the community has joined hyper ledger as, as my peer. And I'm excited to have him here on the team. Working. On, on a hyper ledger. So Daniela, Sean. Thanks, Ryan. Thanks, Daniel. And I'm super psyched to be here. So. And to be back. Actually. Yeah, it's really great to have Sean. I'm really excited to be here. And I'm excited to be here as well as the team continues to put new programs into place. We're excited. Working on our planning for 2022. And Sean, a big welcome. A welcome back and a welcome to the staff. Here at hyper ledger and the Linux foundation. All right, great. Thanks for that. And Sean. Really glad to see you again. Welcome to the community architecture role. Anybody else have any announcements they'd like to make? So with no more announcements, we will head to the quarterly reports. As you can see, we have a couple of reports that are outstanding and overdue. We did get in the firefly. Report. Which from what I could see. I didn't necessarily have any questions. Or comments that need to be addressed. We do still have. Looks like about six people who haven't yet reviewed the, the report. So definitely if you're a TSE member, don't forget, there are a number of reports that do need your reviews. So if you, you know, would take the time to do that, that would be greatly appreciated by the projects. Are there any questions that didn't get addressed or added to the. Firefly report that needs to be addressed. So in the firefly report, I think maintainer diversity is only the one company now. So what are the plan of the maintainers project maintainers to increase their option or maybe increase the diversity of the developers. It's a good question. I don't see that we have anybody from firefly on the call. I would recommend Cummless adding that question to the report. If we can get some answers that. Hi, I know that through the giving chain project, we took a break when the mentorship pro program was over and we intend to come back in the new year and help. I know the mentees are definitely ready to get started again, helping the firefly people. So I believe that they will become contributors to firefly in January. I think the, I think the question is more around the maintainers looking at the contributor diversity report. That was added. Thinking to the LFX insights. I did see that there was. A 25% increase of contributors. Over the past three months. But I do think the question around. 100% collido maintainers is a, is a question that we. You know, should. Should close to the firefly community. And definitely work towards increasing that. Diversity. Well, maybe one of the mentees one day will be a maintainer is Michael. That's how you start. Right. So it is a contributor work your way up. Okay. Any other, any other questions or comments that we should make sure we're addressing to the firefly community. Yeah. As far as that goes, Nico did share on the maintainers list this week of presentation that they put together about their community building efforts so far. And I do believe in there. He flags that finding and, you know, bringing new maintainers on is a challenge. So just one thought for us is. What sort of guidance from, from the more mature projects, are there tips or suggestions or ideas? Like, do we have like a best practice guide for perhaps finding maintainers? That could be a thing to think about, you know, what. If they're raising their hand and saying, yeah, we really want some, but it's a challenge. How do we want to, you know, guide them perhaps. Sure. Yeah. So I think there's a, anybody have any thoughts on that from the perspective of how they have added maintainers to their existing projects. And Kamalash, I'm not yet. Okay. Thanks. I was, I wasn't sure if your hand was up to answer that, or if you had a follow up there. So I think. My hands. Yeah, so to increase the diversity. Of the blockchain automation framework. They extended the, the committers and the contributors in the very short time. Similarly, if Clyde, Clyde and the, the five light team, maybe do some POCs or maybe involve the community, talk to the SIGs or regional chapters, do some kind of workshops to get the more involvement to the project. Okay. Anybody else have any ideas or suggestions that we can offer. Two projects as they want to increase their maintainer diversity. A root. Hey, probably one good thing about firefly report, at least for the last quarter has been from the LFX insights. It's just that 3% or maybe three people have. Engaged themselves from the contributors and there is increase of 25. At the same time. So there is some engagement from the contributors. So it's not one of contributions that we are seeing for outside Kaleido, but it's still a question that we need to get through them and ask them. What is the timeframe that they are looking for from an external engagement point of view. For them to be considered as a maintainer. In terms of PRs count that LFX insight tells us. It's close to 85% of PRs that are coming in from one organization as opposed to 15% from rest of those 45% people coming in from different organizations. Maybe that's another question that we can talk to them talk through them about. And I recall seeing on the DCI mailing list, Karen, you had sent out a report on increasing diversity and inclusion amongst projects and David, I think your response back pulled out some of the pieces of that. And one of them was making sure that projects document the process by which people can become not only contributors, but maintainers as well. And I think that's a really good point and maybe something that I'm not aware when we're the other whether or not Firefly has that or which of our projects do have that, but that's definitely something that I think was a worthwhile call out for us to, you know, look at as a community to see about increasing diversity of both contributors and maintainers. Yeah, that's a really good point. I don't know exactly what we would do, but maybe just reviewing and understanding where that documentation exists and where it doesn't kind of maybe that mapping exercise could be a good point that can give us some direction about where maybe we could provide some support to fill some areas in. Yeah, definitely. Okay, anything else then on the quarterly reports. Obviously we have now four that are outstanding. That haven't yet been reported on and then we have four that are coming up that will be looking at in the new year as well. So just recognizing that if you are a project maintainer or community in the community of these projects, letting them know that their reports are due is something that I think is important and I know that Dano has been reaching out to these projects as well to try and get people to put their reports in. So just, you know, this is a lot of outstanding, I guess, quarterly reports that we have. So with that, we do have a decision on the list here for the TSE member attendance of project meetings the issue that was created last week by heart. I did not see any additional comments added to this. So I'm going to assume that based on that, that everybody thinks that this is ready to go as is. But before we call this for a vote, I'd like to see if there's any discussion on this. That maybe didn't get added into the issue that should have been added into the issue. All right. So seeing no hands. I think. Do we have a motion to put this to a vote? I move we vote. All right. Thanks, Nathan. You have a second. All right. I think there were a couple of seconds there. I definitely heard Peter. So let's go ahead and put this to a vote. So, I think that was a good one. Right. Did you want to. To orchestra vote. Sure. I didn't think this really need to be a roll call vote. But if that's what you would like. Troy. Troy, in the matter before the TSE, how do you vote? I didn't hear a vote. I don't think we need a roll call. Yeah. Me either. The reason I'm asking for a roll call is because I'm not a person with a crew and there's a lot of. Engagement from the TSE and so I want to make sure that people are engaged in these conversations. So I'm going to force a roll call rise. Okay. I will start. Make sense. Actually. Yeah. That's a very good point. Tracy, because it does require us to actually do something here, right? It's not just. Oh, you, but yes. you know basically implement that plan so okay I'm gonna start over again at the bottom Troy how do you vote Troy sorry I apologize guys I actually missed the the topic on this one I'm really sorry okay um you can abstain I mean I'll abstain okay Tracy yes Peter yes Nathan yes Kamlesh yes it looks like Jim is still not here heart yes Grace yes David yes Dano yes Bobby yes Arun yes Artem yes Arno yes Jim sent regrets I I know um and uh Angelo is uh not here either so we have uh the motion passes with one abstain okay so in the new year um please at least one meeting uh per month attend uh as a TSC member real work you know yep exactly all right so the the second uh item here is in our discussions uh we do have a draft that is out there again I did not see any sort of comments uh showing up in this document this week for these services for graduated projects versus incubated projects versus labs but I do want to make sure that if anybody has any comments that they would like to add anything that they see that's missing that they would like to make sure that is being provided by the hyper ledger staff that that does get into this document and plus one what Tracy said we definitely do want some feedback I mean if it doesn't happen to be the feedback today you know we can always you know have additional discussion going forward but you know our goal with documenting this information more clearly is to make sure that projects and labs have what the leaders of those projects and labs need to be successful so you know that really requires input from you know the people involved to say hey this is something we do need and we don't have clarity about it or this is great and you know um but the more feedback I think the better on this so please if you have thoughts we live here yeah so I went through the document earlier and I have to say I mean I didn't see anything that shocked me so that's the good news uh uh you know I kind of wish that the document were built in a way and so this brings a question to me it's like you know I would expect levels to to to kind of build onto one another you know what I mean is like I would imagine lab kind of is the minimum and then you say oh incubating projects have everything the labs get plus those things and the graduated projects have everything the incubating projects plus those things but you know the document wasn't built that way and I felt like well if I say that I'm gonna say well thanks but this is extra work and I wasn't really to want to do the work so I kind of hesitated to say it but it fundamentally it also raises the question is that actually the case do do those you know are those those levels do they exist do we have this kind of like increasing level of services which I would expect but maybe is not really like this I don't know is there anything a graduated project gets that an incubating project doesn't go the other way around right there right at the top of the list um the paid subscriptions here um the one that we pay the most for the ones that we pay the most for our artifactory and circle ci those are the largest uh I guess those aren't capex drains um npm is very little money in docker hub is non-zero money but artifactory and circle ci are the two uh that we definitely gate yeah no I I understand that I'm sorry I misspoke I mean I really meant the other way around is there anything an incubating project has that the graduated project doesn't I would not expect that so I you know it seems to me that it would make it easier to digest this document if it was built as you know a growing list with incubating and then graduating saying you have everything the incubating projects have plus those things so you can see exactly what the delta is that's what I would want to make the project or I would want to make the documentation more digestible I guess my thought was that projects don't necessarily go through things linearly like that like you don't necessarily become a lab first than an incubation project so you know that was my thought to kind of treat them like fully document each because you may come in at that a given level not the level before right yeah I I think um I'll let dano talk and then I'll I have a maybe maybe I have a comment on that as well but dano I'll let you go first yeah to touch back to our nose point one of the reasons that I asked for this for the staff to put this together just to figure out what the graduation things are you know what extra do you get at the next level um and I think starting out this way I mean you just go through you think well what is it that they get this though it's just a formatting issue to try and change how we present it you know we could do the charm everything but you know when I was looking through this and I was looking through what incentive does the project have to go to graduate it it was there was no centralized place to even look up this information and be sure that this is what we get so I think this is a step towards that direction um and I don't think it'll take too much to reformat it in one of those um good better best plans like you might get from web hosting or something so I think we'll get there but I think the big thing that just pointed out here is there's not a huge difference between an incubating and a graduated project so Dan would I make that correct Claire you're suggesting there's there should be more of a difference actually I am because I think there should be more of a carrot to go to graduate rather than staying indefinitely in incubation because the phrase incubation implies you're going to leave you're going to grow or you're not going to be viable anymore it you know the the main incubation I like it because it implies it's not a steady state it's you know it's a transitory state like inflation and I agree sorry go ahead no go ahead I was gonna say I agree and I do think there should be a you know a substantial difference to offer that carrot and maybe some of those differences are subtle but I think there definitely are things that would incentivize somebody to go through there like maybe the way that we phrased it doesn't like highlight what those differences are enough but I feel like there are significant differences but again maybe subtle I think it's I think the document as it's written as Arnaud has alluded to is difficult to see that right you know it could be the formatting that Arnaud recommends it could be we put together some sort of a chart that is check check not checked right it really shows you what the the true differences are if it's wording though that is making them different then that has to be somehow highlighted I think in in the way that this document is put together so that people can truly see this is the the new stuff right or this is what this level provides you that the other level doesn't right sure I I agree completely and I this one of the the historical context of this came from there was a much larger difference and this exercise definitely showed me that there is not perhaps as much a difference as there should be so I'm I'm interested in feedback on how how it is that we can what are those services and how can we differentiate that so this this was a good exercise for me even if we don't end up making huge changes because they're just the delta is not large yeah and it's a good question to put to the TSC right what do we think a graduated project should get that makes it special what in addition to to maybe the things that are being offered should we think outside the box and see about whether or not that could be something that we add to the to the list so I don't know if anybody has any suggestions or has been on other sorts of projects whereby there's a true distinction level for graduate it versus incubate it versus labs or sandbox whatever they might call that project in that project but you know any sort of examples I think would be helpful to to provide I know I had provided one I think from the academy software foundation so but if there's other people who have been in projects or who have seen different ways of looking at this I think that would be appreciated maybe you could mention the paid security of it that happened for projects that hasn't been as I mean that's not as distinct as it has been you know we're doing an audit for Ursa which is not graduated right and cactus and cactus yeah and even then you don't it's not like something that you need to do every quarter only when you change significant things like base is pretty stable we haven't needed an audit but we're trying to get one lined up for when we finish our merge work so that we can get audited make sure we didn't introduce any you know we're doing significant things as far as communication between two nodes did HTTPS so that's not obviously a good security walk through there but also architectural but not every project changes our architecture once a year or once a quarter so I can highlight a couple of things that are new and so maybe that's why it's not clear that there is a distinction here but you know we are starting to do these project workshops for example people may have seen that we're doing one starting with Aries in Indy I think that is something that should be graduated only you know those are going to be you know significant resources to help onboard new users of the project new contributors to the projects I think that should be something that is perhaps limited and I hopefully that would be an incentive those seem to be doing really well the Aries workshop we are having to close it's filled up so quickly I think another thing that could be worth doing although it's not clear yet is maybe relook at the Hyperledger website and maybe give graduate of projects much more prominent exposure there and that could be a difference as well but again that's not in place now so it might not seem obvious that that is something that might be a difference that that could be part of the marketing differences between those levels as well heart yeah I just wanted to agree with David here that I think we should heavily market graduated projects more this will substantially decrease I think it will encourage projects to graduate and it might also substantially decrease confusion in the hyperledger space when traditionally we've just put out in the the greenhouse graphic all the projects even those in incubation it's a lot more to process than if we just have the handful of projects you know say that have graduated we have done a little bit of that if you go well I guess I'm driving right now so if you go to you know hyperledger.org we are putting the the graduated projects I thought we were putting the graduated projects above the oh okay we did on the wiki main page right but this this should have the uh the landscape embedded right here yeah looks like it's broken so yeah but the uh the graduated projects would be at the top there we go so the graduated projects are at the top and incubated and then uh below that the dormant project so we are working on it a little bit but point taken could there also be something there maybe uh graduate projects get a bigger budget for a lot of mentorships so that there's more contributors coming in that way there could be uh I think over the last two mentorship cycles I I believe we accepted everyone that applied I believe that every project was funded because we we weren't limited there weren't enough applications to run a mentorship so we had money for everyone that applied oh okay well that limits the options there then but Peter I like that idea as a the priority are the graduated projects if we do have to select for many which hopefully it will be the case over so sorry I was thinking through uh the doc but then I guess what I just said it concerns me a bit right now right so um I mean when I hear about hyper ledger and the kind of engagement that I hear out there in the public community there is interest among community members to participate to attend and participate so they are looking for any kind of opportunity to get on board and in terms of contribution and I think the point that you just spoke about it concerns me a bit maybe I'll connect offline about it I believe we should have at least received more applications right right it wasn't that we were low on applications it was we were low on programs for people to apply for okay so so we had a budget for I don't know how many let's say 20 mentorships and we only had 17 memberships that were proposed uh by the projects so that that was the limitation all right misinterpreted sorry thanks I don't know yeah I I think you're curious to me that I think one of the challenges we have you know and and maybe this is why you know and by the way I agree this was a very useful exercise to kind of try to you know actually put on paper so to speak the differences which are not that large as it's been pointed out and I think one of the reasons it maybe there isn't that much of a difference is because I think there is a bit of a conflict in trying to help actually the the project that are typically an incubation for instance uh and and trying to put a character as Dano said for the the graduation and and you know project then graduation what I'm trying to say is that you know on the one end it seems fair to say hey graduated project deserve more services on the other end the really is maybe it's the one that are incubation that need the most help right and I don't really know how to deal with this kind of like tension because you know um yeah I think you know what stops most projects from moving out of incubation as we all know is the lack of diversity and contribution and so saying well we're going to kind of push them down on the website and other areas is kind of deserving you know it's it's counterproductive in trying to help them get to the you know a broader community of contributors so I don't know how to deal with that tension you know how do we make it so that graduate projects have an advantage and how do we help steal the incubation projects yeah I'm glad you said that Arno I because I was thinking something similar right my brain went well at what point do we start to discourage incubation right because we were giving all of the the highlight to the the graduate projects right you know because you could take that to an extreme and and really do a disservice to the the people who are trying to build the next new thing right which is what you what you would expect to find in in labs or in incubation um and and the next new thing is is I think just as important as the things that we want to be stable and and graduate it so um I have the same exact thought as you and so I think there is an interesting tension and an interesting balance that we're going to have to bring to all of this yeah all right any other thoughts on this document before we move to the next topic just a quick one uh someone mentioned the converting the document into a chart format and I want to bust on that idea what I envisioned was some product landing page where they have the free tier the pro tier the enterprise tier and then you have these uh listed features that are included and then there's always this uh pattern of how the number of features are growing so you want to be on the enterprise tier which is that's the best so I think that's that's something that a lot of people have seen a lot of times and it's immediately clear that the the best tier the top tier is the carrot and that you should get there yep thanks for that Peter um so right David I hope that's uh been valuable as far as feedback yeah absolutely especially making the more digestible we'll definitely play around with the format and then maybe when that's more clear we can discuss do we have the balance right between how much each tier has of each sounds great all right uh so if we look at the next topic um this is a topic that I sort somewhat mentioned and throughout in last week's meeting but I wanted to put it up for some sort of discussion to see in general what people are thinking um specifically uh because we do have a number of overdue project reports uh I was thinking what could we do about that right um I again maybe this is more stick than it is a carrot um but uh should we be moving projects to a dormant state if we haven't heard from a particular project uh within a given amount of time uh with their project reports so I wanted to open that up for discussion and see if anybody had thoughts on that if it sounded like a good idea a bad idea or had other sorts of thoughts on how we can encourage people uh to to put together their project reports for the TSE right I just want to uh give a little bit of a historical context here um in that uh we did when composer uh transitioned uh it was I think a year or so after they stopped filing updates before there was any official move to to uh transition the project uh and it was I think that was hard on everybody and so I would I would encourage the members of the TSE to uh find a way to to enact this and you know not not make it so punitive but uh acknowledge reality so that people can understand the shape of the thing better yeah I I mean right part of the reason that the project reports were put together was to ensure that the projects were in some sort of healthy state right we were having a hard time as a TSE trying to understand kind of the status of projects and what was happening with those projects and and really this is our this is our insight into each of the projects hopefully we'll get a bit more insight now that we are going to be attending meetings to see how things are actually running but definitely a piece the other piece that I would say is that in looking at the dormant state as we wrote it up um it was supposed to be at the request of the projects um so this would be changing kind of the the thinking around that as well Dano so yeah I remember when we were talking about the dormant state we discussed the possibility of involuntary dormancy but we never we said we'd cross that bridge and we get there and I think we're quickly getting there um with one of the projects on here that's now a month late and I think a year between reports is too long to go to dormants because another thing about dormants is you can revive a project from dormancy it's not like deprecated where you say we're done can't use the names take a fork and edit you know if a project has a legitimate reason why they've done dormant you know or maybe not so good reason then they get their act together they can always say hey we're back we're going to do good you know move us back to incubation storage um so I think you know we should consider what thresholds on project reports is one of the triggers for involuntary and I think if you miss a full quarter I think we should have a vote on it um the question is if they're consistently late you know maybe not but I think that's you know to put a red herring out there to start the discussion at I would suggest that a project that misses a full quarter of a report we should it's not forced but we should have a vote in a discussion on involuntary dormants okay over I have a couple of points first is related to um the government state government state as you said sounds like an informed decision where project team members they come together and then they say to TSE hey this is the period that we are going um let's say quiet for a period and and we'll probably come back um maybe we need revision on to that the definition and and what we are planning under dormant states right so just because a project is in the government we cannot move it to um right so I think my thought process were to introduce a new state but if that's something that we can edit under the government state itself that's something we should look into the second point I wanted to bring out was maybe reports as not submitting reports is not the only reason why we should consider this there could be other reasons that we should look into and I would request more additional time to think through that okay yeah definitely there could be other reasons that we might want to decide that a project should head towards dormant state so uh you know if there's things that people can think about uh this was just uh in my face uh as far as the overdue project report so that that seemed like an obvious sort of thing to to have a discussion around uh right sure uh there is uh one more thing uh there which is um you know github also you know lets us mark stuff as read only or whatever uh archived uh so there could be you know that's they would be really rude to come into a project and just archive all their repos I'm not saying we should do that but that is if you're looking at a project and their repos are uh not active and not archived like if you've got 40 open bugs you know 100 unreviewed prs that could also be a trigger and dano I see what you sent me and I will post that into the chat dano that was to uh individual I thought I was posting to all I posted that in the the chat so one thing we should look at is the definition of dormant um it does say there that the tsc will make the decision as to whether the project was a dormant to or from the dormant state upon request and it doesn't say request of whom I mean I guess what implications to request in the project but you know it's you know that the definition is projects in dormant are ones in which normal functions are suspended or slowed down for a period of time and I think that the the tsc realizing that that's the current state of the project and the current functioning um you know I think I think I think it's within bounds of the definition but I'm willing to be you know discussed on it okay Peter I read that anytime it happens but we should vote on it and we should have context as in if they missed the report or two and now we are considering it then we should also reach out via the normal channels email and chat then just fly out ask them are you dormant and if no one is even there to respond then it would be much easier on my conscience for example to vote saying yes that's a dormant project let's pull the plug but if they respond and say oh the lead maintainer was in an accident and then out of work for months but now we're back so please give us some more time then I would say in the vote I would say well let's give them some more time so I think they should make it part of the process to just gather a little more context from the project and then vote yeah definitely um Peter and I I know uh that uh when we started out this tsc term uh dano had volunteered to once a project went past its due date for the project report reach out to that project to let them know um that they had um you know missed a reporting if you will and so I think you know we could make the assumption and then we can confirm with dano right that that is truly happening and that he has reached out to these projects that are overdue um and maybe hasn't returned or received a response back from them Nathan yeah for this week's but for borough they've done three pings two by email and one by chat group yeah so Nathan and I mean let's acknowledge the reality of this we would reach out to them anyway for a missed report most of the steps we have to do to determine whether they're dormant or not are the same steps we're doing just to try to hunt down the report so it's not like it's a lot of additional work and as a tsc we consider a project going into dormant a bit sad like it's not something we want to have happen and we wouldn't do it to someone else you know deliberately against their will or in any way maliciously what we do want to acknowledge the reality because we realize that being an active project it takes work um and hopefully moving a project that's struggling to even submit a report is a relief um we want to relieve that burden and let them focus on the things that will help their project become active as opposed to being you know in the middle of trying to you know figure out incubation requirements or you know uh cater to the requests of the tsc about status when there's really not much going on so um I think that this seems really reasonable that if you miss a whole quarter of the report and no one can get a hold of you that the tsc would ask hey are you guys dormant and it's not an answer that has a predetermined conclusion and we're not going to try to move a project to dormant that doesn't want to go to dormant we're going to ask them so what are you doing to be active and uh I don't think it's anything more than just trying to acknowledge the reality to reduce the amount of burden on everyone that's that's trying to do a good job with their project all right thanks Nathan heart um yeah and I guess I know that the sort of burrow is on everybody's mind um I guess so I assume dano um has reached out to sylas on this um I'd be curious to hear what uh sylas had to say about this and also sorry I haven't heard back from sylas that's the problem oh okay yeah and I'll say sorry about my quarterly report this was quite the week to to miss the email on it I think one or two weeks is in uh crisis I think three months is really the threshold yeah I heard this definitely wasn't uh wasn't trying to call you out anyway shape or form uh for missing this week uh we seemed to we seem to have had some missed ones uh quite quite a bit up here and it's it's just a more a question of you know these long-term ones um that that are on my mind so all right I don't know if your hand is still up or if you uh want to add to okay great um Nathan I would even say we don't mind a little bit of quarterly report rebellion as long as they're here and actively rebelling um it's just uh we want to acknowledge the reality of if the project's truly dormant and no one can get a hold of someone that's a really bad contributor experience if someone's trying to use the project for someone's trying to fix something mm-hmm for sure Dana rebellion is an indicator of life and that's really what we're looking for doesn't that mean I get to skip the basu quarterly report next week nice dry grace grace I was gonna ask the same thing you know we're not having a meeting next week guys but uh at the same time definitely haven't done for that first week of January so I don't have to call you out all right uh any other comments on this particular topic it sounds like we're we're all fairly much in agreement would it be worthwhile for me to uh go ahead and write up some sort of decision log entry uh for us to take a look at when we come back in the new year sounds good to me okay I will work on that then um all right so we do still have about six minutes left uh would anybody from the task force we have two task force out there I think Grace and Arun would you like to provide an update on kind of where you're at if there's anything that stands out to you that might be useful for the rest of the tsc to know about or I can go up first and probably make it short so we had our first uh congregation of our first meeting early this week and there was enough interest that I received through email but however I could not see that getting translated on to attendance on that call however I'm pushing hard to get more participation from all the projects as much as possible to the task force now apart from the participation there were really good points made out and during the call and thanks to all of you who contributed to those thoughts and there have been a couple of action items noted down uh the main action items are going to be around um how do we measure criticality of a particular vulnerability that gets reported right how do we even measure that if it is a generic bug versus something that needs attention and what's the score on which we should decide on that I mean decide the criticality plus there was an action item on on coming up with questionnaire for deciding for a particular maintainer how do the report wait let me open up these so task force as an item but yeah at a high level meeting minutes has been posted on the task force uh wiki page so if you have any comments on those open items or maybe any of the notes items on that page please feel free to comment and please do join our next call that would be three weeks from now mostly in first week of channel all right thanks I did just put a link out to the hyperledger security task force on the to c chat um so definitely have a look and let Arun know if you're interested or can provide some insight into what your different projects are doing related to security grace any update for us yeah I think most of the group is up to date but um we're currently just saying um data gathering mode for the task force and understanding how um the different communities within communities across hyperledger use different chat channels our next meeting will be the first week of january the idea is to share there the kind of final inputs and then maybe start to put together a proposal kind of here maybe the you know two or three kind of options that we have um the what we're hoping is by the end of january to have kind of a recommendation and be able to implement because obviously you know aligning on the chat channel strategy is important for facility in our community we don't want to draw it out too well okay thanks grace I also put a link to the community chat uh task force out there as well um so I think there's been lots of good discussions in that particular task force so far um yeah with that I think that's our agenda unless there's anything that anybody else would like to add uh merry christmas and a happy new year thanks right yes definitely everybody enjoy the holidays and have a great new year and we will see you at the beginning of 2022 yeah and thank you all once again for all your contributions and support of our community so happy holidays to all and have a great hopefully everybody gets a some rest and enjoyment with their family and friends so happy holidays thank you bye thank you everyone


Thanks Mr. Garg for joining us. We have today Mr. Tarun Garg, Director of Sales and Marketing, Hyundai. The context of this conversation is how non-metros are driving the next phase of growth in the country. Unlike what we saw before COVID when urban markets where the drivers of the growth is that the action has shifted to non-metros and we are going to talk about how auto is looking at the sector. We are going to look at where the focus now stays as far as non-metros leading the economic resurgence. So my first question to Mr. Garg is what is the outlook for the auto category post the unlock? I mean unlock is already in its another phase but what is the outlook that you see for the auto industry? Thank you Rohit for having me here and yes the unlock happened and all of us tried to ramp up our supply chain and thankfully the customer response too has been reasonably good. So as you know we all started with zero sales in April and it was better and by June we had reached 98% of last year level and this month looks to be even better than July so we hope to reach the across the last year level in August. So things are only looking better. Now this could be because of the pent up demand because we had almost zero sales in April and May also because so many customers of last year they were waiting for BS6 to really come into force and as you know that April 1, 2020 was the day for BS6 and that was a time when lockdown was in full force in India. So those customers are now coming back and plus as far as Vundey is concerned we also launched some very exciting products whether it was the all-new Crater or the new Verna, the new Tucson and the new Elantra diesel as well. So we are receiving some good traction so far so good. So you mean to say that the demand has come back and has it really is the supply side also gearing up in your view? Yes in fact as sales and marketing people I would say that they have done a tremendous job the production as well as supply chain. We fully understand the concerns and the kind of effort they have to put in so but I'm happy to report that they have really come up with very innovative solutions and in fact if you know that Vundey was the first company to be off the blocks you know when this unlock happened and you know when we produced those 200 vehicles on day one it was a matter of great pride for all of us at Vundey and we have only grown from there and now both the plants are working three shift operations because we are receiving some very good traction for our products whether it is all the new products or even the entry-level products. So it is very important for us that we are able to supply these vehicles to customers and that is where I think both the production and supply chain have been able to really meet the demand and come up with good volumes. Mr. Nagar tell me what are some of the key consumer behaviour changes that have taken place in the category that is coming out of the lockdown and what are some of the permanent and temporary changes in your opinion out of what we are witnessing? Look one thing which is very clear is that customer is looking for personal mobility you know rather than shared mobility because last couple of years you know so many customers had shifted to shared mobility because of the convenience and of course the cost factor but now I believe the hygiene personal hygiene and the sanitization becomes much more important so people are shifting to personal mobility which is actually leading to a demand in new car sales as well as pre-owned car sales it is also leading to opportunities in the subscription sector you know because so many customers you know they say that okay we don't want to own the car but we want a car for our personal usage and that is where today's subscription is coming in very handy. So this is one aspect of it the second aspect of it is because the digital behaviour of the customer is also you know has accelerated of course last couple of years we were seeing the digital inquiries go up but then Hyundai was able to come up with some very unique solutions like click to buy you know where an online purchase can happen on the Hyundai platform and we are seeing a good traction from the customers and we believe that digital is something which is only going to accelerate going forward so that is the second part of it the third part of it is I think customers are also becoming much more discerning and they want brands which can solve problems I'll give an example like in these times customers are looking you know because some of them you know they maybe they have not got their bonuses so they're looking for maybe a unique finance solution where they start with a low EMI and maybe as years go by they are ready to give a higher EMI so what we have to do is along with our partners in banks we have been able to give some step up EMI schemes with the customers or maybe long tenor schemes eight year schemes where the EMI would be low or maybe a balloon scheme where 59 you know for 59 months you give a low EMI and maybe the 60th month will be a high EMI so I think it's all about realizing the problem which the customer has and providing solutions the second part of it is you know when this BS6 happened customers also wanted many customers were waiting for a diesel BS6 because there was a lot of speculation whether manufacturers will be able to do a BS6 in diesel then at what price it will come so as you know that when I was able to really do a BS6 diesel across its modern range whether it is an entry level or you know at 1.2 litre or models like Creta at 1.5 or models like Tucson at 2 litre and there also we have received some very good traction because the delta price change which we were able to bring in a diesel was only 20,000 rupees so I think it's all about solving those problems plus giving the customer some something extra you know when you are giving the car for example we'll launch this Hyundai mobility membership which is again some very unique experience for the customer where he immediately on buying a Hyundai car he gets attached and he gets the advantage of you know some very good offers from 21 brands you know both in the car space as well as in the lifestyle space as well so I think like what I said it is all about giving some solutions to the problems giving something extra giving more value to the customer and I think this is one behaviour which is definitely going to stick to the customer that he wants you know brands which can actually solve problems for him. Right so let me ask you this when you see the various segments of cars that are there you know the various categories tell me is it only for smaller cars that the demand is there also it was predicted earlier that you know based on the china model where smaller cars are preferred for personal safe and mobility is there any particular segment say the smaller smaller car segment that's only seeing the demand how is the demand divided within the category of mobility. I think Rohit here this is a very interesting question and if you would have noticed that you know many industry experts were feeling that post corona the demand probably would be for small small cars and entry-level cars and maybe the customer budgets you know will go down but what we have seen at Hyundai is and actually the industry phenomena that it is the SUVs also which are seeing a very good traction in fact last four five years SUVs were seeing the continuous you know the share of SUVs in the industry was growing and in fact our four years back in only eight to nine percent and now it's as high as 26 percent and Hyundai is at the forefront of the SUV range the new Creta which we launched we already have received you know more than 75,000 bookings we are selling close to 11 and a half to 12,000 vehicles every month the venue continues to be very strong now we have the new song the new song which has again received very good response the Kona EV is also doing very well to those discerning customers who want electric mobility so my point is that yes as long as you are able to give a very good brand a very good product with some good powertrain options some good features like for example when I talk about the venue and the Creta the blue link is something with the customers are really liking then in the Creta the voice enabled panoramic sunroof is something with the customers are liking the air purifier becomes very relevant in these times of you know when customers are really wanting you know purified air so it's all about really providing those options automatic I think more and more people are wanting automatic cars and we as Hyundai have provided five options of automatics to customers in fact you would have seen our recent technology IMT the intelligent manual transmission which we have just introduced in the venue where not only it is a two-pedal technology which means great convenience to the customer at the same time you can have that feeling of control by you know shifting gears as well and at a very nominal price increase so like I said SUVs are seeing a very good traction and of course the entry level cars whether it is the Nios or the Aura or the Santro I think some very good traction out there the pre-owned cars as well so I would say that as long as you are able to provide good value to the customer some good options to the customers definitely they are there to spend money to buy your cars and because it is the need of the hour very clearly customers are wanting to buy cars also I think there is some interesting data that suggests that you know car buying is a discretionary purchase and we are competing probably you know when normally a customer would spend on international travel some domestic holidays maybe when he's going to parties and pubs he's spending on clothes all that all that has reduced dramatically here and but car is something which is okay why not you know there is a car which which defines myself which defines my lifestyle and which also fulfills my mobility needs why not I mean if if a brand is providing me all this I'll go ahead and buy the brand of my choice so I think this is what is happening and across the segments we are seeing some very good traction right so you're somebody who's very close to the market you know the pulse of the market so first of all in your view how are the markets behaving also because what we have read and understood is that it's the non metro markets that are seeing an upsurge in demand far higher than the metro markets how much do you how far do you agree with this statement what is your reading of the market I think I agree with the statement largely and yes and definitely the tier two tier three tier four towns seem to be doing much better than the metros the reasons are also obvious first is of course the the prevalence of corona you know as you can clearly see the you know the daily Mumbai's and Chennai's are the cases of corona much higher than say the tier two tier three towns the second aspect is also you know the rural the dependence on rural and you know the monsoons have been very good both the harvest and the growing has been very good the minimum support price or by the government is extremely attractive the the road network is continuously improving I'm sure that you know all these factors are ailing and fueling the growth in the tier two tier three towns in fact interestingly when we see at the past history of the Indian auto whether it was the Lehman crisis or you know in 2008 9 or you know even the dot-com bust what we have seen is that whenever the economy is under stress and the GDP growth reduces the immediate impact is on the metro towns you know because there are the people are really dependent or whether it is the IT services or whether people are in the you know the stock market financial markets their dependence and also the sentiment plays a very important role because their people are really looking at the business channel the business newspapers and when they read the negative news you know they get they get into a negative mindset on the contrary I think the tier two and tier three towns as long as their income levels are okay the sentiments are positive and they go ahead and buy so I think this is what is being witnessed and in any case when you see any kind of you know analysis or by the consulting companies Indian growth story very clearly revolves around a good growth in the tier two tier three towns also because of the government's push towards smart cities and the road infrastructure I think all these factors are fueling growth so when we look at the industry numbers or mundane numbers very clearly states like Punjab, Haryana, Himachal Pradesh, Rajasthan, Madhya Pradesh, Chattisgarh, Charkhand seem to be doing much better than say Delhi NCR or you know Chennai or Maharashtra where you know the dependence on the economic growth is very high that said I think we cannot deny the fact that car buying to some extent it's ready to the overall economic growth of the country so we have to be very careful we have to see how this you know how soon the economy is able to bounce back what happens on the corona side there's an upswing if the vaccine is on the corner at the same time if the vaccine is delayed and the second wave of corona comes then there's a downside so I think we have to take it month by month and see how the situation evolves but so far yes a good relief in terms of very good support from the non-metro markets in terms of sales and growth though you touched upon the factors that are responsible for it but if I have to ask you to highlight say three to four factors that are driving this growth in non-metals what would that look like I mentioned the first thing is definitely you know the less prevalence of corona and the less effect on the business as such in the non-metals I think that is clearly the first point the second point I have mentioned the rural economy seems to be doing much better than the urban and definitely the non-metals or the nearby rural areas and fuel fuel that kind of growth the third thing is the sentiment like I mentioned here people's dependence on you know those those sectors which are clearly you know whether it is the travel sector or the service sector which really sways too much with the economy I think the dependence in the non-metro towns is less the fourth factor is also the aspirations and the youth you know here the income levels are continuously going up people are becoming more and more aspirational the road infrastructure the improvement the pace of improvement of the road infrastructure is much higher and in fact even if you see even the big you know the cooperates I think the kind of investment which are happening now in the in the tier 2 and tier 3 towns in terms of you know as compared to the past very clearly the it appears that these are going to be the sunrise sectors you know and the sunrise cities of the future so I think all those factors are aiding this growth and we are not complaining we are we are really you know you know doing all possible things to really fuel this you know to be a part of this growth I think the other factor which is also very important is that digital has actually reduced the gap between the metros and the tier 2 tier 3 towns I think this aspect is also very interesting earlier any OEM would have to really physically reach you know all parts of the country to be there but now like I mentioned without click to buy a person in a very remote part of a rural India is almost you know he has the same facility as somebody in the heart of Delhi so because he can go online he can find out about the car he can order the car he can get his financing done online and actually he can get the delivery done at his house as well and in fact you know almost 100 of our rural sales outlets are also now on click to buy so I think even digital like this has it has reduced the gap of reach you know which probably the in earlier times OEMs would you know would find it probably more slightly more challenging to reach the remote parts of the country I think that factor is also aiding this growth right a couple of more questions one is that if you look at the market mix that you had say pre-covid and now how important are non-metals in your entire landscape market mix? Extremely important because you know when we look at when we do planning you know we are looking at all geographies we are looking at various sectors and you know we are looking at okay what are the common common plans of investing what are the corporate plan where is the mining happening you know has been the trend of monsoons how is the per capita GDP statewide and very clearly if you see whether it is the last five years trend CAGR you can clearly see that the trend is towards non-metals really you know growing and like I said one of the very critical factors the road infrastructure I think well we have to give credit to the government that huge work has been done there in terms of the connectivity of you know improving connectivity of these non-metals as well as the rural areas to the mainstream of the country so Vunday is very strong you know in rural area as well we have close to 500 outlets rural sales outlets of course in addition to our 600 outlets in the tier 1, tier 2 and tier 3 towns so it gives us an edge we have been here for 23 years we have a model range you know not only in terms of entry level or sedans or SUVs but also we have seen that sometimes in the non-metals is the diesel which is much more popular because people they are they travel a lot to some metro and they would want a higher mileage for their cars a good fuel efficiency for their cars and it is where diesel comes in I think that's an inadequate advantage which we have in terms of really providing a good value BS6 diesel so as for Vunday's concern I think it really fits very beautifully in our scheme of things and we are doing everything possible to even expand our footprint in the in these non-metals right so tell me what are the challenges and opportunities that lie ahead for the auto sector if we look at what has happened till now and the kind of situation what is your prediction how do you see this look as far as Vunday's concern and auto sector also Indian car penetration is only about 27,000 so we have a long way to go because all the developed markets are in 400 and 500 and 600 here at 27 so we still have a long way to go we have a full faith in the medium term and long term growth of the Indian economy we have a very young population the population is hiring they're looking at growing their income levels are increasing they're looking at new mobility needs they're looking at new solutions so we at Vunday are always looking to provide those solutions like I said whether it is in terms of products new products whether it is in terms of technology you know automatics whether it is in terms of power trains whether it is in terms of the experience whether it is in terms of digital like for example you talked about opportunities you know earlier when people launch a new model you know we will call you know all the journalists in a hall and maybe you know to those 200 journalists will present and some kind of a TV and a digital you know will happen now we had this you know the covid crisis so but we still had to launch our products so we had this event called the new you know the next dimension and where we launched the the new news song we showcased the new verna and of course the krita success story was shared and believe you me we had you know close to 200 million views you know across various channels so my point is that this has really thrown up some new opportunities for us you know because this new age customer is looking at brand which can solve problems and of course which can provide him convenience that is one part of it in terms of challenges like I mentioned we still have to see how corona progresses is there a second wave coming you know and the overall of course the in the short term the economic growth as well because like I mentioned if you see the past 20 years the car growth has been very closely linked with the per capita income so we we are hoping that the economy revives and you know government has taken some big steps and once the economy revives in the short term also I think more sustainable growth can come even you know in the next one year but as far as long term is concerned we are quite optimistic about the growth story of India you know otherwise also and both in terms of automobiles as well. My final question is about with the vaccine still being tested and nowhere in sight definitely for now do you think the year is going to be the year of uncertainty how are you preparing if it prolongs for example what does the year ahead look for you how are you proactively looking at still being you know releasing your models and capturing your markets what is the plan on that front yeah so the important thing here is you know we at auto sector used to always talk about one year plan three years plan five years plan so of course those plans have to be made but what has become most important now is to be much more agile much more flexible much more proactive and look at every month as it goes by I mentioned to you July we reached 98% of last year level August hopefully we will reach more than the last year level September we're looking at again with optimism so we don't want to really look too far ahead in terms of the growth or the sales numbers and we'll be happy to see as as every month by month at the same time as well as new launches or the technologies etc concern like I mentioned it is no doubt in our mind about the long-term growth prospects so those plans are very much intact and as far as there is concern even in 2019 which was a very challenging year we launched four new models the new ones the venue the Elantra petrol and the Kona and even this year we have launched the Aura or the new Krita the Verna that you saw and of course the Elantra diesel as well so I think we have we are not stopping and we will continue to launch new products new technologies and new experiences for the customers because we are quite optimistic about the about the growth story of India. Thank you Mr. Gaurav for sharing these wonderful insights pleasure talking to you thank you for giving us your time. Thank you Rohit for having me here it was a pleasure interacting with you thank you very much


John Catacuzanos and I'm a trainer and assessor at the State Run Air Observer Course in sunny Bendigo today. The Air Observer Course is about bringing together two days of theory and two days of practical flying that includes assessment to get our people trained to be able to gather intelligent information over fires, floods or any other emergency that can then feed that back to either an ICC through the planning unit or down to Ops in the ground. My name's Ben McConville and I'm a volunteer with the Sunbury Fire Brigade. The main reasons for doing this course is I've always had an interest in aviation. After doing this course I'll be able to contribute to my brigade in upskilling them with map reading skills that are used in aviation. This will also help with being on the ground and knowing what you can ask for from support in the air.  So for CFA the prerequisites they've got to have crew leader and intro to AIMS and then they go through an application process and then they attend a four-day course and then at the end of that if they're successful they are then state Air Observers so they can go out and work in the multi-agency space as Air Observers either on rotary aircrafts or helicopters like the one behind me today or fixed wing so aeroplanes.


cilantro ranch sauce on the Mala chicken wing. Think about that sentence. That sentence did not exist until just now. It's good. I love those. That's good. That's a five out of five. Wow. What's going on everybody? Welcome to a very special episode of Fumbro's Food Today. Andrew, a lot of people have been asking us to film outside of Manhattan. Today we are in Brooklyn. I'm really excited about this video because we're gonna be covering second generation Asian American restaurant owners that have left their kind of conventional path to pursue their dreams of being in the food industry out here in Brooklyn. We're gonna be looking at three different formats. Somebody's gonna be doing identity food just trying to represent themselves and their narrative in food items. Number two, we're gonna be looking at somebody who's just cooking American food and number three, somebody who's trying to update their parents old-school business for the modern age of 2020. I'm excited to talk to these owners, hear the stories, but most importantly, eat this food. Let's go. All right you guys, we are in Bedford in North Fifth. Please you guys, where would Martin Derek tell us about juxting? Juxting means American born Chinese. It's a term saying that, hey, you're not quite American, not quite Chinese, so it's a little bit of a mocking term. We wanted to show that, hey, no, we're the best of both worlds. Juxting, technically, need to translate directly to rising bamboo, but in another way it's also hollow bamboo. So in the mocking sense, it means that you're bamboo, you're Chinese on the outside, but inside you're caught in missing that, you know, that part. But for us, we'd like to see that rising bamboo, where you know the new generation in America. We're bringing our Chinese roots with us. Man, we got to get into some of the dishes, because I saw some of the food on Yelp and it looks incredible. I took a look at the menu, they have mala wings. We got to try it. Let's do it. Let's get into it. All right, starting off our meal here at Juxting, I got the mala wings and the chashu bao. Yo, you never see the chashu bao look like this. Oh wow, still fluffy. And did you say inside, still fluffy? Oh, fluffy. Wow. Lobster chashu bao here at Juxting. Just by itself, that's a great chashu bao. Sweet, savory, still fluffy. Mala wing. Dip it in this sauce right here. Cilantro ranch sauce on the mala chicken wing. Think about that sentence. That sentence did not exist until just now. Cilantro ranch perfect with um, that's like a hot and spicy. It has this sweet and this honey sweetness that's coming through along with the mala numbing. Shout out to Anna back there. She's half Chinese, half white, but she's bringing, she's really bringing that culture together. That's good. I love those. That's good. That's a five out of five. Wow. All right, let's try this burger. This is the, I'm excited about this peaking duck burger that you got here. Wow. And there we got everything right. Wow. Peaking duck burger, the duck boy. The duck is juicy and this burger got soaked, the bun got soaked in the duck fat. It's dripping. Yo, that really encapsulates what a peaking duck bun is supposed to do, man. Sweet and sour pork belly. I prefer that to the sweet and sour fried pork. The red braised chicken, their take on sea owl guy. Guys, the red braised chicken. The flavors hit harder, it's stronger and it's more sticky. So, if you like soy sauce chicken, you like this. It has the flavors of soy sauce chicken, but the complexion is a lot more like an adobo from the Philippines.  Wow. Those are some tasty tots. Nori bomb burger. There's a hash brown in the middle. Clearly designed to stick to your ribs and soak up some alcohol content. Do rock, pork, wontons. Ooh, spicy. Chrysanthemum Caesar. I got to say, man, the way they did the fusion here is legit. Honestly, to be honest, I did not know what to expect coming in, but I was very impressed. You know what I like about fusion identity food? It gets better every year. It gets better every year. All right, that's the best Asian Caesar I've ever had. The fried days kind of serve as anchovies. It gives you a little bit of that fish meat flavor, the umami flavor. Man. All right, you guys, the food was so good here at Juxing Andrew, and I heard Anna was a finalist on the chop. We got to go talk to her. We just had to talk to the chef. Nice. This is our domain. So how, what was like, I know you're half Chinese, half American. Yeah. Is that, how did you come up with a lot of those dishes? So a lot of these are based on sort of like things that I grew up eating, like the American side and the Chinese side. We're trying to show a little bit of like our childhoods and like our upriggings in the food. Identity restaurants like, you know, Asian American identity restaurants, not all of them work out and the flavors don't always come together. But I think you guys are doing an amazing job. We just wrapped up an incredibly delicious meal here at Juxing. Congratulations guys. You guys did fusion right. Yo, maybe only one out of 10 spots do it right. You guys did it right. Appreciate it. Appreciate that. And we decided to do this because we want to do something that we're passionate about. And we love eating. We love going out to eat.  So we want to do something similar, but on our own terms. So right now we're still working our day jobs. We both do operations and logistics at a small distributor here. Actually it's not that far from here. But it's also here in Brooklyn. We serve that company itself services supermarkets and we do supply. So you guys know kind of like had some crossover skills. Yeah, it's there's a lot of Asian fusion out there. But for us, we're not just Asian fusion Asian American. And that's kind of like the key differentiator that we're showing. I agree. I felt like you guys flip the term from empty bamboo to rising bamboo. I'm with it. Congratulations guys. So onto our second spot in Brooklyn, Andrew. We're just headed right next door. Hey, yo, we are headed to Burger Inc. And we're already here. Yo, Randy, what up man? Man, tell us about Burger Inc. Well, basically me and my cousin, we love burgers and we were kids. Only time we got it was just basically do events, barbecues, or right, because our parents to it like Chinese Cantonese parents, Asian parents in general, unless they're more like, I guess with the American side, they just do not cook burgers. We never ate burgers growing. It's not a thing that we cook. What is do a gourmet burger on the go versus everyone else? Right, right, right. Because you're saying you can either get a quick burger and it looks like this, or you can get a gourmet burger and it looks like this and it takes super long and slow. You try to combine it too. Exactly. We got to try some burgers real quick. Let's go. All right, Randy, man, what we're cooking? All right, I'm gonna make you the Don. All right, which is the bone marrow burger. I'll make you off the menu burger, which is the Bay burger. All right, just stacked up. All right, Randy, we're about to dive into some burgers man. Can you tell me about this one though? This is the most simple basic burger that you get in a steakhouse. It's just consists of bone marrow you see which is on top. American cheese, white and six ounce of Angus beef pat. Bone marrow burger, the Don. All right. That's very that's a very simple burger, but it's got a lot of flavor. Yo, thank you for giving me the steakhouse experience. Because to be honest, I don't know when I was ever gonna have it. And we don't go to that many steakhouses. Whoo. Tell us what's in this because this is crazy. This is like a whole breakfast. How we came up with this, my girl said she went to steak and eggs. I had no steak in the house. So I'm like, I had burgers, you know, so. Bay burger. Off the menu item here at burger guys. Oh my gosh, look at those layers. Yo, this was this was my favorite man. I love this man. So, let's start off with this all right. This is the Dynamite Mac, which is how can you mac and cheese poppers? Whoa, I didn't expect it to stretch like that. So, yeah, you got that cheese stretch. Yo, this is uh straight BuzzFeed tier. You know what I mean? Like straight uh was a insider food. Insider foods. We should all inside of foods for this as well. Oh, I didn't expect. Oh, I didn't know it was gonna do all this. That's good. That's the best mac and cheese ball I've ever had. You guys gotta come here and try it. This is the crew, which um the name you share with your crew. So, loaded fries, we have pulled pork pernil uh angus beef pernil pernil. You got the Dominican Puerto Rican pork. Okay, the crew loaded fries. Pernil. I've never had pernil on fries. Yo, that's partenir. I can really taste that pernil. That comes through. It hits the spot, right? See, because the other loaded products I've had were just like uh pulled pork maybe. Other things like that, but the pernil got a whole flavor of its own. I can totally see that eating that at a ball game. Crazy. Both spots for burger ink and for juxting. I said, you know what, the food quality is a one. People like you and the second generation owners, if they still carry over that immigrant work ethic from their parents at all, you're gonna be okay. Yeah. Because your parents, our parents, they came here with a lot less and did a lot.  Thank you guys. Keep it going, man. You got all the info in the description below. Alright.  Jackson took over his parents' old school Chinatown butcher shop and is putting his own twist on it, bringing it into 2020, keeping it old school, but serving the community. And I think that if you look at all three stories we've covered, two in Brooklyn, one in Manhattan, the first one juxting was all about a mixture, a new fusion between the Chinese American identity, Cantonese, and the American identity. The second spot, burger ink, that spot was all just about, can we be American? Can you accept me cooking a burger looking different? I love the burger culture. I'm cooking a great burger. Can the American public accept it? And this last and final spot is a different format because it's repurposing or retaking over your parents' old school shop and bringing it into 2020. Let's go. What up, Jefferson? Hey, what's going on? Yo, good to meet you, man. Alright, so we're here at your family's meat shop, 47 Division Street. That's the name of it, so you can't miss it. I know you took over recently. Tell me about your goals right now with the shop. Wall Street Journal wrote something about you. I saw the post on Reddit. You were advertising how to get really well-priced meats here, especially during the pandemic. You're trying to help people out. Trying to just do something nice. And I don't know if it worked out economically for you guys or not, but like what was your goal behind that? My goal is, yo, New York's hurting, man. Like New York City is hurting. People are getting laid off. People are furloughed. You know, we're a local business that is putting me a fooboo. Don't buy us for us. Us being Chinatown and Chinese immigrants. I mean, in the very beginning, it was mainly about those that were hurting, but as time went on, this is a business. This is my family's livelihood. You can see it's not full. You know, it's not packed. It's not full. We don't have a lot of turnover at the moment, so we are hurting. We are working with other people who are providing free groceries to families that need it. We're trying to partner with other places that are doing free meals, specifically Art of Diner, where they specifically cater towards elderly agents within the two bridges area here locally. Serious dude. He don't f*** around. So we had to step outside because it was getting pretty loud in there. But yeah, last question is just like, what advice do you have for like ABCs and people whose parents, you know, kind of own like a pretty backbreaking business, but they want to continue it, but they also want to balance it with the things they want to do.  Everybody forgets that 80% of the stock market is comprised of commodities, and as those hierarchy it needs, you know, what's the foundation? It's food. You need to eat, sleep. You need companionship, you know. Whether the economy's good or bad, everybody has to eat, you know. Whether the economy's good or bad, you still need to place the s*** to sleep. You know, it's hard work, but it pays off. Don't, you know, don't shy away from it.  One of these days, man, I'd love to come back and hear your opinions on some other issues. Good to see an opinionated young man. Y'all got drive, man. Thank you. So here are my takeaways from today. Number one, Chinese American fusion dishes are getting better year by year as younger chefs learn from the iterations before them. Maybe identity food, as we call it, is finally telling the story that we always wanted. Number two, just because you're Asian, it doesn't mean you have to cook anything Asian at all. You're American, too. And that's one of the few advantages of having this complicated and often troubling identity. And number three, the phrase family legacy isn't heard often from people of our generation. So it is refreshing to hear someone take it so seriously. You know what? Let me know in the comments down below what you think about all this. And until next time, we out. Peace.


I am Daniel Maniasi, a housing rights practitioner in Nairobi, Kenya. I am part of Land Act because it advocates for land rights. And since I am a housing rights advocate, land is very much related to housing. Behind me is a very old estate, built in the 1950s by the colonial government. But now, since the government wants to put up a road infrastructure, it is pushing residents away. We believe this is a government thing because it was done at night, when people are not moving since there is a curfew. And a day after the inferno gutted the entire estate, part of the estate, the government came in the doors of the polling night to bring down the stone houses. Now, as you can see, people have already been displaced and lives are much harder. That's why, being part of Land Act, it gives us an avenue over getting to such land rights. Thank you.


Hey guys, it's Camille from SixSistersStuff.com and today I am making a fresh raspberry balsamic vinaigrette. Now, with summertime and all the fresh produce on, I love using fresh ingredients as much as possible and it is so simple to make your own homemade dressing. So I'm going to show you today one of my favorite recipes. For this I'm going to be using my Vitamix blender with the AirDisk container. Now the secret to this creamy dressing is the disk inside this AirDisk container. What I love is that it really emulsifies the raspberries and the oil and vinegar and you get this delicious creamy dressing. I'm going to show you how easy it is. So we're going to start this recipe of course with fresh raspberries. I have about a cup here, give or take, and I am actually going to sweeten these up with just a little bit of sugar. I've got about a tablespoon of sugar and I'm going to use a fork to mash all these raspberries together. This will sweeten up the raspberries and add a really good fresh raspberry flavor. Now you don't have to worry about really pureing these raspberries because the AirDisk container is going to do all the hard work. You just want to make sure that the sugar kind of can start to pull out those natural juices. I'm going to let this sit here for a couple of minutes while I start adding the other ingredients to the blender. So the first liquid ingredient that I'm going to be adding is actually white balsamic vinegar. Now you can find this on the vinegar aisle of any grocery store. The reason I'm using it for this dressing is because of the color. I want the color to really accentuate the pinkness of the raspberries and if you use just a regular balsamic vinegar, it kind of makes this a funky color. So that's why I'm using a white balsamic vinegar. I'm going to add about a half cup. Just pour that right into the bottom of your blender and then I'm going to do a quarter cup of olive oil. So now it's time to add all of your raspberries that you've been sitting in your bowl with the sugar. Dump those right in. Now just to add a little bit more sweetness, I like to put a little bit of honey in there. But if you don't want it to be as sweet, don't worry about adding this. And that's it. So I'm going to put the lid on and blend this out. I'm going to start down at the beginning speed of one and as it blends, we'll add a little bit more. It's blended for about a minute. You'll notice how creamy it is. What's crazy is that an oil vinegar dressing can be this creamy and it's because of that air disc container. Now to make the salad, keep it super simple because your dressing is going to be the star of the show. I've just got some mixed greens here and I'm going to top it with a little bit of some dried cranberries, just as much or as little as you want. And this is perfect to serve it like a potluck or if you have friends coming over, super simple salad but it's going to taste amazing because of that dressing. I'm also throwing on just some candied pecans and then I've got a little bit of feta cheese and then of course the dressing. Okay, so I'm going to just take the lid off and it's got a nice pour spout that I can just pour directly from it. I'm just going to drizzle this on top. I love the color of the fresh ingredients. It's amazing what that pop of pink will do in this raspberry dressing. It's healthy, it's simple, but it tastes amazing. The great thing is with the air disc container, you don't have to get a new Vitamix. You just use it on the one you already have. I hope that you love this fresh raspberry balsamic vinaigrette as much as we do and be sure to check out the recipe on SixSistersStuff.com.