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I'm trying to find the exact moment where they say and When poochie's not on screen all the other characters should be asking where's poochie You've no idea how much I've used that I've heard you use that yeah I love saying where's poochie when somebody is self-involved and Very often applicable to me. You don't win friends with salad. Is that right? Yes That's don't win. Don't win. No, you don't make friends or you don't make it. It's win. I'm pretty sure it's win All right, we'll have a good show gentlemen. I always get it wrong though. So thank you Jenny You Don't win friends with salad you don't win all the other characters should be asking where's poochie You don't win friends with salad you don't win friends with salad It's much more sophisticated than make You're gonna do a show there Justin Robbio. Yeah You do win friends with bacon. It's very good points. Oh, he brings bacon. Here we go Good day. This is the Daily Tech News show I'm American and this is my best attempt at an Australian accent If you'd like to hear a real Australian accent go to Daily Tech news show comm slash support and pledge an amount So Peter Wells can do a sixth day of DTNS shrimp on the bat This is the Daily Tech news for Thursday, February 4th 2016 I'm Tom Merritt joining me today Justin Robert Young independent podcaster and man about the primaries and caucuses of the United States of America Yes, I'm proud to bring you my voice not over the overworked LTE of Des Moines, Iowa But rather the strong hard-wired Comcast connection from Oakland, California Oakland bastion of American bandwidth as we will hear in our headlines when we hear about the strongest LTE signals in the world Iowa was not mentioned. No as as all the listeners to this show are well We do our best folks. We really do we try as hard as we can and sometimes we make mistakes And then we learn and we keep trying harder. You're headed off to New Hampshire though this weekend to promote the contender That's pretty exciting But today's topic is fan mail Friday We got so many good emails from people that we decided to just use those as jumping on off points for discussions about Yahoo Portrait versus landscape one of the burning issues of the day Amazon shipping and and I Know it's Thursday Justin But I couldn't find a good replacement name for fan mail Friday So are you cool if we just be fan mail Friday on Thursday? Yeah, no this this this club's going up on a Thursday. We're gonna do our best to bring it to you We the best Yeah, I mean you can have a University of Phoenix in San Jose, California. Why can't you have fan mail Friday on Thursday? Let's take a look at the headlines Google launched an update to Android where Thursday? It can now use speakers to make calls and listen to messages and add a couple wrist gestures to your Pantheon to expand a card hold your arm in front of you and quickly push down to go back Hold out your arm and pivot up to return to the watch face shake your wrist out and in a few times and voice recognition Now works more naturally with messaging apps like hangouts telegram vibre and what's that? Furthermore to do the hokey pokey you turn around and that's what it's all about Yeah, and some of it some of you may be like wait a minute I thought there were watches with speakers already that ran Android wear and that is true And those can take advantage of this new native Android wear support for that Yeah, you know Obviously Android wear as as wearables in general as as a vertical are kind of still sort of finding exactly why They they exist and figuring out where people are naturally flowing Android wear is a very very interesting platform. I do not Why no whether or not a big dramatic gestures or something that I am interested in As a wearable as a watch smart watch user. Yeah, I I actually love the idea of like Oh, I just shake my wrist heads back to the watch face. That's not nice. I don't have to use two hands Yeah, I also am the person who is constantly Accidentally undoing something on my phone because I shook it And so I imagine that would be a comedy of errors for me Well, I mean it's like the voice technology was five years ago, right? It's it's not there It's oftentimes more cumbersome and annoying than it is effective and yet five years from now Voice will be so more so much more seamlessly integrated into everything we do because we already have proof of concepts that get it, right? Including Alexa and and how much better series got yeah I mean, let's not overwork the minor update to Android wear here to those folks who use Android wear Hey, you got some cool new features. That's great. I mean, but yeah Now let's get into more serious topics to celebrate the 12-year anniversary of Facebook Facebook is declaring today friends day adding an automatically Generated video of you and your friends to your timeline. You can also edit it too if an enemy slips in accidentally Facebook also notes that the degree of separation between two typical Facebook users has decreased from 3.74 degrees in 2011 to 3.57 7 degrees take that Kevin Bacon So, I mean, do you think friend day is getting too corporate Casey Newton asked this on Twitter today? And I I feel like we should probably get back to you know the original meaning of friend day Which was looking at pictures of women from Harvard. Yeah, you know when when Believe you me when I'm president will all be saying happy friends day again Ah Yes, the war on friends day has begun my friends. Yeah, I you know what this is almost like Android wear again We're like, you know what Facebook has a nice day saying it's good to be friendly to people It's it's fine. It's fine. A lot of people share the same video. It's it's very cool It's obviously something that they have made a little cottage industry of in terms of these Heart-tugging little videos that remind you why Facebook brings a value into your life And how much as much as it can be annoying when people are sharing the same? Photo memes over and over and over again or your aunt has a burning desire to let you know What her political opinions are it does add a lot? There is a tremendous Gift that social media gives us and that is to stay connected to people that we wouldn't otherwise Stay connected to Facebook reminds us and happy birthday to you for it Absolutely, and I have to say I finally did find my friend Dave video. It took a little work They usually screw this up because I never use Facebook so they're scraping around for for videos That's what was pretty good. It was it was mostly family members and Veronica Belmont. Yeah, you know, it's very interesting that I Was kind of wondering what their algorithm was in terms of figuring out When a certain thing should go but but I think after watching a few of them You start to pick out little patterns that at the end you have a lot of friends in the middle You have either a single person or multiple people obviously They think they're pulling tagged photos of you to show you with other people You know, you know, and then also what's probably the most interesting is a few of them have comments popping up and I almost wonder You know because they have once one picture where there's a comment and then a comment that's responding to the first comment And I almost wonder whether or not whether or not it's because both of them were liked by the other person that shows Some algorithmic link that this was a conversation between the two people and not just two random things Yeah, yeah, but I'm curious. I think there's there's there's probably a little a little special fun Algorithmic sauce to how this comes a little more machine learning going on I think mine had a lot like if I'd been at a wedding, which is I think why Veronica showed up That was that was gonna show up. Yeah, and in my thing So let's turn from this serious topic of friend data something a little lighter jurors in the eastern district of Texas U.s. District Court ordered Apple to pay a combined $625 million for infringing a 1998 patent on secure communications using a domain name Which FaceTime is accused of violating and two patents regarding secure communications applied to the iPhone's handling of VPN Nevada patent holding company Vernet X one on the VPN patents previously But an appeals court had thrown out that verdict and ordered the case to be heard again So this is their second time winning on that first time on the FaceTime one Apple plans to appeal again Microsoft has paid $23 million to Vernet X to settle cases regarding Skype. Thanks to Melchized X 74 for submitting this one on the subreddit So I've seen this bandied about as Apple forced to pay the troll toll Do you do you see it as that? I mean, this is definitely a company that fits the definition of a patent troll Which is someone who did not invent the patents doesn't do anything else But hold patents and takes people to the Eastern District Court of Texas to sue them about patents So, you know, if you're in the business of patent holding you're going to say well This is perfectly legitimate exercise of the patent system otherwise, yeah, I mean it fits that definition and I think Apple's Apple's Policy on these has always been to fight them all the way to the end to run up the cost on The litigant as much as possible because Apple has deep pockets and even 624 million dollars if that ends up being what they have to pay is A small amount. They've been fighting this for five years. So I fully expect Apple to appeal this I expect this to not be the last we hear about this particular lawsuit However, Vernet X seems to be one of the more successful litigants at this sort of thing They've they've gotten a company like Microsoft to settle, which is no small task But Fezda announced that the new doom reboot will come out in May 13th for the PlayStation 4 Xbox one and PC the last doom doom 3 came out in 2004 the game will have a single-player campaign multiplayer mode and a map editor Tom the internet is a buzz doom is one of those canonical games, especially for PC gamers I was a huge fan Is this something that has gotten you a little jazz? Well, yeah, I'm more interested in this because you know, I was playing doom on my Shoot on my 8. What was it? I was playing it on my IBM ps2. I think even Way way back in the day. I was definitely playing it on my Acer 90 megahertz Pentium and and and yeah, I was never great at it It wasn't a huge doom player But it's one that's definitely got some nostalgia for me Especially because of its ability to be modded and you could you could build your own levels and maps But it is it is sort of in the vein of hey the X files is back for six episodes like hey dooms back That's kind of cool. I mean Bethesda certainly hoping that the BFG turns out to be a BFD general growth property CEO Sandeep Mathrani Who none of us who work on the show or listen to this show probably knew about until yesterday when we talked about His remarks about Amazon felt the need to issue a press release saying that when he said on his earnings call That he had heard that Amazon plans to open 300 to 400 retail stores It quote was not intended to represent Amazon's plans Mostly because the Wall Street Journal reported his quote Meanwhile, Ricode says that it has its own sources which say Amazon does not have immediate plans to open hundreds of bookstores But does have plans to try multiple types of retail shops Amazon Steve Kessel who returned from sabbatical is leading the retail effort including the bookstore that they opened last year in Seattle And Amazon does have an ad out looking for a bookstore manager in La Jolla or San Diego So Amazon Obviously and we're gonna get into more Amazon logistics later in the show has a gigantic Gigantic Web of moving products from point A to point B holding products that will be eventually sold in another Warehouse I can certainly see if they say okay Well X amount of this normally gets hold it held at this location What if we tried putting a storefront in front of it and just selling more of it that way It is there a way that we can kind of keep our product line moving in a more liquid fashion That being said, I don't know if I totally buy and I didn't really buy the story last yesterday That this is something that Amazon wants to Really really really invest in that to the tune of 304 300 or 400 retail stores I mean, this is a company that already operates on such a razor thin margin that in less Storefront real estate is now so cheap for them that they really can believe they can make it work I think they will always have a better price model selling it online. Well, yeah, and we talked about this yesterday with Scott There's a couple of advantages they can have as far as using their crunching their local data to find out what might be in demand demand Being able and you know in the book industry Any books that they don't sell in the store they can definitely sell online They're not gonna have to return a lot of books to the publisher the way a smaller chain or definitely an independent book store Would have to do so there's less less risk in the stocking of them And and there's all of these descriptions of plans to use patents that track you as you go into the store So that you don't even have to check out you they just know that you are attached to this Amazon account with this credit card They know what products you have and you just walk out the front of the store and they automatically charge you Yeah, you know It's it's a fascinating time for that company But I think that if somebody was able to do it they would do it smartly Although the best bang for their buck will I think always be the big Splashy boutique stores and not necessarily figuring out whether or not the corner near your house next to the subway or the IHOP is the best place to put that location of the Amazon chain Sure I like Scott's idea from yesterday about a warehouse store to which which fits nicely into the distribution center model Certainly so although I don't know if with the reputation that Amazon has for their warehouses that they they want to say like oh, no Well, yeah, they're gonna have a different kind of warehouse store. I guess if they do that Twitter user Phil Perlman told TechCrunch's Twitter app is now showing a gift button between the camera and poll icons When composing a tweet and several other Android app users have seen it too Perlman says it let him select trending gifts or ones based on mood the button disappeared after taking a screenshot of it TechCrunch's John Russell reached out to Twitter for comment and received an email saying hey John Here's our statement, and it was a gift of Justin Bieber shrugging That make that made this a story for me. I was like oh Twitter's trying out gifts Everybody wants to put in Jeff's, you know, it's it's the thing to do these days That's not that big of a deal and they always try stuff out and some people see it and some people don't The best part is that Twitter had enough of a sense of humor, especially these days to just send a gift back of Bieber shrugging Somebody else did that too, right? Who else did they did a one-gift reply? I don't recall off the top of my head, but now you're ringing a bell, and I don't remember what I tried mean nuts Yeah, no, I think this is Jenny it was Google who Okay, Jenny's gonna look it up. Jenny's gonna figure it out and meanwhile if you want to fill in this time Just go ahead and look up a gift of a dog doing a backflip Yeah, no, I mean, this is obviously the new thing right Slack had a very very positively integrated with their Giffy search The the crazy weekend of peach was certainly dominated by a very easy gift Those summer nights 2015 Google sends reporter a Giff instead of a no-com and it was the little girl with the pigtails shaking her head Nice. Okay. Cool. Ily dot reporter about YouTube live. Fantastic. Ah, there we go But yeah, no, it makes sense. I'm glad Twitter has a sense of humor Canonical makers of a boon to have announced it will sell a 10.1 inch tablet that can go from a full-screen mobile layout to a windowed user interface when you add a keyboard and mouse You can even plug it into an external monitor if you want hardware will be bq's aquaris m10 Which has a 16 gigabyte hard drive micro SD card slot and two gigabytes of RAM You can register to be notified of price and availability at Ubuntu comm Tablet now Justin I need you to check me on this because my blood starts running hot when I hear ah Slick Linux tablet that can be used as a computer because it hits two of my buttons open-source software That's good and the ability to just have a device that I can plug into different screen sizes and use in different ways Which I know Microsoft is also working on Well, I don't think you need to tickety-check yourself before you wreck yourself because this is something that I think is is Part of this beautiful new era of where we are with hardware hardware is so cheap right now That you have any number of people that want to get into it and finally you can maybe get to You know a world where like listen Apple made it made a You know the reputation on the idea of the merging of software and hardware right now Kind of on the other end of it as opposed to it being at the absolute top end in modifying every little thing You can maybe have a little bit of that synergy at the bottom where a company like like canonical Which isn't necessarily known for hardware manufacturing can say hey look There's enough off-the-rack stuff that we can mod our software to meet halfway on and create a pretty rad product I think this is a this is this is a really exciting probability and the version of Ubuntu that can do this has been out for I think a week So you could try putting this on your own hardware But having some hardware that Ubuntu says yeah, we're sure that this this works pretty well and putting it out We'll go a long way to getting people who might not try it to give it a whirl Depending on what the price is it's a little bit small at 16 gigabytes. I have to say But you can put a micro SD card slot in there and and the micro SD card Management might be quite a bit better since it's a Ubuntu not Android Which limits what you can do with SD card slots not as much as you used to but so I'm looking forward to this I think it's pretty rad The Verge reports GoPro CEO Nick Woodman announced the company will get rid of its cheapest line of cameras and reduced down to three Offerings by April the hero for black the hero for silver and the hero for a session The new hero 5 and karma drone are still planned to launch this year GoPro reported revenue a dropped in Q4 31% over the previous year. Yeah, so this is them saying okay. We're just gonna simplify things now apparently We confuse people into not buying our products GoPro's in a very tenuous position because there's really not a ton of advantages that they have Manufacturing wise that they are able to hold on to and you know if I'm GoPro You know that that that gentle rapping rapping rapping at their door. They hope is not the ghost of flip cam You know a warning them of the future that awaits them well I think they probably heard a lot of people saying we don't need another hero and Have responded accordingly All credit beatmaster who said that first in the chat room Open signal released a report on the state of LTE service in the world South Korea leads the way in coverage with 97% followed by Japan Hong Kong and Kuwait Korea's LGU plus has the best coverage for a provider Singapore has the fastest LTE service at an average of 37 megabits per second followed by New Zealand with 29 and Hungary and Israel tied with 28 Singtel in Singapore is the fastest service provider at 40 megabits per second on average 15 countries and 52 service providers average 20 megabits per second or more There's even an interesting thing in the in the open signal report about The comparisons of Wi-Fi to LTE. We're in some places It's just better to use LTE if you can afford it if you've got the right plan Man now I feel like my time in Singapore a couple years ago. I Slap I should have been using more of their LTE. I did get a mobile hotspot But I should have been I should have been really rocking and rolling on it You know, I think this is that there really really is a huge conversation to be had if you know you can continue to build out your infrastructure and obviously these carriers have That LTE could be the one-stop solution Including maybe a little amplifier in your house that knocks out the even more Intrusive, you know laying a cable into your house or apartment kind of model I think you know the more that we can have this the more that this can be out there and the more that we can think about You know especially for our carriers here in America. Hey Don't think about how you can squeeze everybody as the phone carrier, right? Think about knocking out Every other telco think about you know pitching your customers as look. Let's forget data caps Let's forget a lot of these things drop your cable You don't need you know, you don't need those things anymore. We can just provide it over the air for you That's I mean where I would I think that the future is for them beyond just trying to pretend like they're squeezing every last dime Out of the current profit model they have yeah for it like truly cord cut like don't even have ethernet cables And that's an anathema to somebody like me who for years said look if you're on Wi-Fi. It's not good There's lots of interference, but five gigahertz 802 11 AC has improved that to the point where I actually stream video over Wi-Fi in my house Just fine Granted I have a big fat pipe here So I can do shows like this and that helps but as that becomes the norm and it does and I know It's frustrating if you're sitting somewhere with a 5 megabit per second DSL connection It it will that used to be unheard of for people in the year 2000 so stuff does move forward and By the time we get 5g rolling out to places you you may not need a wired connection except in specific use cases Would very much love for 2016 or 2017 to be the era of wireless internet I think that's something that we don't talk a lot about now, but could have a profound effect Another jay martin wanted us to mention that Google safe browsing feature has started blocking sites with deceptive content or ads Examples include fake download buttons fake upgrade buttons and pop-ups that ask you to call a phone number to remove malware and more Another jay martin also wanted us to mention that Google safe browsing feature has. Oh, did that thing get pasted in there twice? I think yeah. No, well, he really wanted you to But the examples are all the same exactly Yeah, so there you go. Thank you another jay martin and that's gonna help with the safe browsing. I would also like to say it's back What were you gonna say I said I would also like to say thank you so we thank him twice because he And finally I might start doing this more often. We'll see how people like it to see how I like it There there were lots of other stories today sharp Apparently might pick Foxconn to buy it Moose is ending fire Fox OS for phones in May the Trans Pacific partnership was signed in Oakland, New Zealand And don't fly your drone within 36 miles of the Super Bowl Justin Even if it's in your backyard, they might take use lethal force to shoot it down. Hot you watch it Thanks for submitting stories on our subreddit daily tech news show reddit.com keep it coming helps us Make it better for everyone and that's a look at the headlines All right, so it is fan mail Friday on Thursday and when we do this We start with the pick of the day and then get into the rest of the messages. This one comes Via email sent on January 30th Apologize for just getting around to it now, but Joe the pilot sent the following so you can email for free now on blue I have no idea how long this has been going on for so I'm going to send you an email This is my email. It's not long, but it's from the big metal sky god Thank you open Evelyn sky god for this internet We are about to receive forgive us our missing packets and deliver us from latency again free sky mail from the sky So a real interesting trend that I've noticed and obviously I fly my primarily United because that is where my business travel is they own your soul, right? I got you my soul But United in their role your own internet, which is now primarily what they have on all their flights that you very rarely see boingo or or the go-go wireless They have two options You can either have full browsing what they call full browsing for Usually $299 or $399 depending on the length of the flight per hour or App browsing for $199. So it is cheaper and Primarily what they are differentiating without differentiating is the difference between Your phone your mobile and your laptop that they they I think people you know The airlines are right now noticing that especially as they scale back their you know few new airlines have that the The monitors in the seats anymore you certainly are gone are the days of the big monitors in the middle of the of the The hallway like a bus or anything like that that people Want to be connected on their own devices and where do the slow speeds of of airplane internet? perform the best on Apps that in generally don't require all that much Constant data transfer aside from of course the streaming video ones. So great great Preferring apps over the actual internet making all packets not be equal. I love this Okay, sure listen, I know that you like to fight this war on all fronts and apparently the aerial battle is not unspared but Considering you know for people who fly a lot and are constantly just sitting around on airplanes bored as hell I think that that's probably not the worst. So can I use my browser app? Funny enough, I tried you can use the browsers that pop up Automatically in Facebook and Twitter, but it's trying to use Safari.   Hey, listen, I got to play a lot of heartstone See that's how they get you. Yeah, the heartstone is the opiate of the masses I said your pics to us folks feedback at daily tech news show dot com You can find more pics at daily tech news show comm slash pics Let's get into our messages rich from lovely Cleveland I was listening to our discussion yesterday about the Fitbit Alta And it naturally bled over to the state of the Apple watch how it may have failed to displace the standalone fitness tracker market as some Speculated Scott was mentioning that this leads me into the fundamental failing of Apple's approach says rich As far as something that dominates an emerging market can be said to fail a lot of Apple's secret sauce Is that they are excellent at having their existing products train and condition people for their new ones the iPod trained people with iTunes and the expectation to have a digital library on them leading into the iPhone the transition from the iPhone to the iPad is virtually seamless even the new iPad Pro I believe to be conditioning a transition to their general computing future But the watches had nothing to really blaze the way for it I think Apple would have been better served to emulate the iPod model and introduce a more single-use cross-platform fitness tracker dominate that market like they did with MP3 players Then set people up for a more general use wearable one which already has a use case established by the legacy product And Apple is generally brilliant in consumer education, but they seem to be less so with the watch So I have a hot take on riches hot take all right and and I do agree that the Apple watch has suffered from and a Characteristically on Apple although they've done it so much more recently that it might be the new definition of Apple That they had a lack of focus on what the watch was going to be because ultimately It is not a great business a fitness tracker It's not a fantastic platform for apps, but it is for me a great echo of what's going on my phone I get to keep my phone in my pocket more and interact with the world the internet world abroad In a lot more seamless and interesting way with my watch if they would have focused on that now granted That would have been something that a lot of other watches could do But it I think and I don't want to get into this whole like well the old Apple What oven the new Apple does but I think that they're they're they should have unafraid they should have been unafraid to say Yeah, these are features that other people have guess what you're gonna like them more They're gonna be integrated better on our platform. I think that that is Absolutely where it shines and ultimately when you look at it saying oh, I don't know did it just place fitness trackers No, it didn't and I don't think that it was it was ever going to Yeah, I don't think Apple intended it to but I think rich rich's point is still good, which is maybe they should have You know, maybe they should have made a fitness tracker that feels more job Seein not to always compare everything what would Steve Jobs do but to say like hey We've come out with a really simple device it does these few things for fitness tracking really well and then you expand that and you start adding to that until you Eventually have something that's a watch but in the more cook-like universe I think it was a perfectly rational decision to say, you know what Apple is It's a high-end fashion statement market people buy things because of its design Let's go for a watch because you can lean into Design and the look of things a lot more with a watch than you can with a fitness tracker You know, I don't know because I do think that they wanted it to be something more than what was out there Considering how much the fitness trackers make right? I think that they they wanted to take the step into the wider world of wear I just think that the best thing I mean I think the Apple watch to me is a good product I enjoy it every single day and it's rare that I can say that I say I enjoy my Apple watch on a more regular basis Then I do my iPad right and I very much enjoy my iPad, but at the same time I think that it was ultimately a too many cook situation. They had fun not intended They, you know, it was it was too many elements that it tried They had too many masters because these app stink and the fitness stuff is always going to be subpar to a device That doesn't need to be connected to another device Hey, the person who won the Apple watch that I had been using at Nertacular last year wrote me recently and said He's still enjoying it. So there you go. No, I love it Got some takes on Amazon and shipping Joel in sunny and snowy Reno says just wanted to pitch in my two cents regarding Amazon Transportation I drive for a big brown logistics firm. Hmm. Must be DHL And we do a lot of business with Amazon But most of the trucks and trailers that are the distribution centers are not FedEx or UPS But rather a variety of third-party shippers and such most people think UPS or FedEx for shipping But they are only the end point in the logistics chain Most products hit a few warehouses and distribution points after getting off the boat before they even know what a FedEx or UPS trailer looks like Seems to me that Amazon is looking to increase its efficiency for its distribution needs within its network of centers No hard evidence, but for the amount of volume. I see that's what makes sense to me And that would fit in with what Big Jim was saying that they want to become a shipper on that end of Things like taking it from the boat to the distribution center George wrote on our blog. I'm not sure why the tech community is so flabbergasted about Amazon going physical Seems to me they're taking a natural growth path in their era Sears JC penny and Montgomery Ward are just three big examples of companies that had huge Catalog and physical businesses running side by side direct ship to customer or in-store pickup were longtime features the only thing that is different is the absence of a paper catalog and the communication technique sounds to me like Jeff Bezos is taking a cue from the past and then finally Bill in Huntsville wrote last May Jason Calcannis was on twit and discussed Hyperloop and said he's an investor and personal friend of Elon Musk and during the discussion He said the primary use of hyperloop would be trans oceanic freight So there you go We got the possibility that Amazon just wants to do the logistical end of shipping possibly by hyperloop and maybe They're just doing the catalog store thing all over again Okay, let's let's let's let's peel these back one by one. All right Elon Musk obviously Genius of a generation His impact will long last However, let's not forget that Elon Musk prone to things like hey I'm gonna start SpaceX because I really want to put a greenhouse on Mars So we can live stream it and get people interested about space again. Literally. That's why SpaceX started So whether or not the hyperloop is is going to be the future of trans oceanic freight Who knows on do the idea that Amazon's going to open up physical stores I think that there are huge differences to be to Sears JC Penney and Montgomery Ward for what Amazon's doing primarily in that again I think that if you look at the profit margins for those companies at the point that they started opening up physical stores We're far different than what Amazons are right now As to the logistics chain I totally buy Joel's argument that this is something that they are the best They are the kings of distribution right now There's nobody better in the world that can do it cheaper take it from somebody who just tried to figure out how to have an On-demand shipping solution for a product. They are it right however They need to remain it they need to constantly be looking to make things bigger better faster stronger So Joel's theory makes a lot of sense to me. Yeah, it's a Georgia's point It does seem like a very attractive analogy and I'm a big fan of like hey We used to do this in the 1800s and people forget about that But I think these examples are in reverse these companies Had stores companies had stores and then figured out they could sell to more people by putting out catalogs What Amazon's doing is saying hey we went and we kind of like ruined people's businesses with our website We ran borders out of business with our website. Maybe we should open physical stores now And that's I think flabbergasted may be overstating it I don't know that we're all astonished at the idea, but we're a little surprised that Amazon would say like hey Our business was so much better We drove physical stores out of business and now we'll open physical stores But there's also some logic behind it as well Well not to mention the fact that we just don't know where retail is right now and maybe getting a flagship store That will drive foot traffic for a lot of I mean listen you want to go to a depressing place They're called malls and they're everywhere Walk into the mall that you remember as a kid and then count the storefronts that are no longer operating that you remember Operating ten years ago. Of course, you need to be at least ten years old to run this equation But but but yeah, I mean like it's it's not a great era right now for physicals for physical retail space If Amazon notices this as a trend and says you want to know what in the following markets where we can stock these stores With very specific products that are based in distribution centers that are close to it physically We could very you know, we get very efficiently and cheaply run a physical store that makes sense to me Although mr. Bethani who's the one who let slip that Amazon might be planning hundreds of stores in that earnings Was arguing like no malls are our malls are doing fine Because we have soft goods and people need to come to stores for soft goods and he's and he was pointing out You've got Warby Parker opening stores. You've got the nobo store opening stores And that's when he got himself in trouble by saying and I hear Amazon might be opening stores But yeah, this is the point is to to what you're saying it's it's the change in retail and I think I think that's where George's Post on our blog actually does have a really cool comparison Which is what stores did with catalogs was figure out how to reach a new market and then they opened catalog stores We had a JC penny catalog store in my hometown Because people wanted a place to do returns and they and they wanted to be able to maybe see a few of the things That they were ordering have somebody to talk to if they had a problem with their order Maybe have it shipped there if they didn't have a really reliable way to get it to their house And and that's what Amazon could be doing again. So it is that piece of history repeating itself Yeah, certainly so Jeff in Knoxville, Tennessee said one night my son brought one of his books out of his room and started reading it to me And I wanted to capture this wonderful moment So I started filming the moment horizontally because video is horizontal Then I realized that if I were taking a picture of him I do it vertically because he's the subject of the picture not the lovely backdrop of my hallway So as he turned the page, I turned my phone and took a step forward Now instead of having a video that was two-thirds carpet and a third hymn reading I had a full-framed video of him reading where I could actually see his pride as he did it Why was I so stuck on? Horizontal videos just as a good photographer must learn to recognize when portrait is the correct orientation for a photograph Videographers must now learn to recognize when portrait is the correct orientation for a video Because of this I am unapologetically Pro portrait video when used properly Well, Jeff I hope that you realize later that you also need to stop your horizontal video before Switching to portrait when you start a new video because otherwise you're going to get the orientation all screwed up And you're gonna be looking at something sideways said You know, I think it's overblown the idea of I mean really the reason why we have such a problem with horizontal video in general is because We watch video by and large on sites like YouTube that have Horizontal boxes for us to watch it and we find annoying and wasteful the blocks on either side of a portrait video Nobody complains on snapchat that like oh my good Lord all this video is portrait mode because The apps on a phone that shows it well, you know You almost get more of a sense and more of a visceral reaction that you are there because you are looking at it much like they shot it on their screen, so I Think this is kind of an antiquated argument or maybe not antiquated But a sign of a growing time where we just need to understand that there are many ways to watch this kind of stuff Failed access memory was reminiscing about the old days when you saw the yahoo logo out Beyond the yard marker of 404 in the Giants games on TV and said I always thought yahoo made a mistake by not becoming a Content provider and selling the rest. I believed they have excellent media content Which is used and cited by many media outlets including yourself and if they did go this way I believe they could have become content king or even king of them all And there was actually a recent story I think it was on recode that yahoo's problem is that it is a media company and it doesn't realize it It's trying to pretend to be an advertising company like Google Can I jump in here? Oh, yeah, yes former yahoo employee Jenny Josephson must jump in here As someone who made award-winning content for yahoo I will say that and this was publicly reported so I'm not breaking any sort of NDA but In the time between they fired the one CEO of yahoo who lied about his resume and before they hired Marissa There was a guy named Ross Levinson who had come from Fox who was the interim CEO of yahoo and he had submitted to the Board this was like greatly reported the plan to knock yahoo down to like Less than 5,000 employees and make them a pure media company because what they were doing was so strong They could have become sort of a more high class demand media or they could have even aspired to really become just like a digital magazine because When you look at yahoo compared at that time compared to all the other Users of content sites on the internet. It's up there. It's up there like I used to know the numbers by heart And I don't know but that was the plan and then This unicorn named Marissa Mayer came along and like or hate however you feel The people who wanted yahoo to be a tech company were like no, this is our gal And so the the notion that yahoo was an internet company and a technology company was too strong to break And that is one of the many reasons why they went with Marissa instead of the plan That is the same plan that they should be doing now Which is continue to do excellent work in the verticals where people Already look at it every day like a daily habit a very good and salient point from from Jenny And it plays into their strengths What is one of the things that yahoo has that really nobody can take away the front page where your You know parents and grandparents go every single day because they've never changed it as the default thing that loads down their browser it is a hugely valuable real estate even today in the hot gifable times of The this this modern era of 2016 and that as a media company would have almost become more valuable Yeah, I had the thing they already had the thing that worked and they still have it I haven't quite ruined it yet They just can't figure out how to get out of the mess that they put themselves in it's well and and they they tried Right, but you can say that taking one step is is more damaging than taking three steps, right? Yeah, like you know they brought back Community they wanted to be a big top-notch But they did it while they were also trying to be a tech company And not as part of a unified approach to being a media company Which would have had them creating a Netflix like service that everybody could get not everyone going communities on yahoo How do I watch that? What is the screen thing? Yeah Well, best of luck and rest in peace yahoo games, which was closed which has been announced to be closed Finally real quick Joe who works in Ghana for a company that provides electricity to people said most of the community members There have cell phones but prior to having electricity they had to take their phones to the closest town That had electricity and pay a fee for charging their phone with another business. This requires quite a long walk Or if you're lucky hitching a ride just to charge your phone Also, there were some complaints that sometimes batteries got switched. Maybe they'd get an older one back For a newer one that they had handed in there are also more small solar kits available now that have a small solar panel with a Little battery that can be used to charge a cell phone. These are still relatively expensive When visiting one of our newly electrified customers We found out she was charging phones for her friends from other nearby villages that have yet to be electrified So just kind of extending that conversation from somebody on the ground About this idea that cell phones will pass number of people with cell phones will pass the number of people who have electricity And real quickly a note of thanks to assistant professor of finance Brian Henry from Benedictine College Who took the time to do an analysis of Facebook's earnings call? 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Thank you. Thank you for your support our email address is feedback at daily tech news show dot com You can give us call 51259 daily It's 51259 32459 catch the show live Monday through Friday 4 30 p.m. Eastern at alphageek radio dot com and Diamond Club TV and visit our website daily tech news show combat tomorrow will be Scott Johnson Molly Wood and Len Peralta I'll be out, but they'll talk to you then The show is part of the frog pants network get more at frog pants dot com Diamond Club hopes you have enjoyed this bro Great show. Yeah, I Love that that the fan mail shows like on paper Seem like really should we just do a fan mail show is that but then they they're so rich with topics because we get such good emails yeah, and I think it's It's certainly not a shame. I would I would prefer this then us trying to Rework our own hot takes into Walt Mossberg's hot take which is only a hot take as Walt Mossberg said it. Yeah, right exactly I 100% agree What should we call this show? Who wants you to do the hoagie poagie? Uh You put to Android wear in and you shake it all about their Then why can't we be friends? We don't need another hero Merica I know I like that Merca is LTE to the party Where's Poochie Hero is my pick The rich quoting the end topics get blue is Hearthstone friendly Well, it united this hearthstone Justin hastens to point out. I just point. I mean listen. Hey listen. Hey By the way super cheap flight to Boston nice really on United 250 round trip direct from kidding. Let's go under 250 44 direct non-stop Wow, I guess everybody's just like no way. I'm flying in February And so they have to lower the prices. That's awesome We've got Hearthstone as the opium of the internet which I'm kind of like And a very meta joke from another JPM, which is it's pronounced Twitter Yeah, that's pretty good actually I'm fine with we don't need another hero. Yeah, like we don't need another Yeah, let's do that. I think GoPro is screwed Do you like like terminal? I Mean what do they have that somebody can't do cheaper? action, I Mean they got a great brand right know what else that a great brand flip or flip cams flip cams were great and then mobile You know and then cell phones happened Should GoPro come out with a phone No, I think what would make GoPro and this is something that I feel like Would have been the play for them a couple years ago is to make a video destination Right, like like be the place where you yeah, or or buy or invest in Partner with Red Bull make a video destination which Red Bull is doing a great job with on their own But you know to team up your superpowers Yeah, I think GoPro does some partnerships with Red Bull So it's just I mean you're already a lot of the way there just have the place where it's like Oh, okay Well, where do people watch this kind of right now? It's YouTube because everybody watches every kind of footage in YouTube right but in the same way that if you're like Oh, I want to make a short film that I spend a lot of money and time on if it's not a fan short film that uses You know copyrighted characters than a lot of people put it on Vimeo a lot of you know There there's there are our web For which content finds I think GoPro had a strong enough brand You've got to make that the action sports place But now it's like you know They're they're just I mean all they got his cameras and lenses and those can be had nice little boxes Yeah, you know, I always wondered why they didn't really kind of push in with other Similar industries like like bodycams or like oh dashcams like you know, yeah You know something very that's that's along the same product line. It's just you know a form factor change That's because there are so many different ways to say the verb to go in Russian that they couldn't pick one So Russian proverb wait before I don't nest your dolls before you have them open That old saw did we see that some accounts that some Instagram accounts are now allowing multiple accounts. What now I do that on a email from product hunt It says some of you can now add multiple accounts in the Instagram Wait what I know, but it doesn't I didn't see it anywhere. God.  What? No, that's Yeah, I don't say anything in my feeds about it. I'm gonna I'm gonna go to product hunt and see what the heck Maybe they're testing it Yeah, that might you might be like on the leading edge of discovering this That's happening out there in the world that and editing things in Twitter are my number one and two bugaboos See I've always been against editing your posts afterward because that leads to abusive behavior On the other hand everywhere that I can do it like I don't know slack. I use it all the time. Oh my god. Yeah Even Instagram or Facebook like they've figured that out Let's not it's it's a choice. It's not figuring it out. It's twitter has has made a philosophical choice that says You don't get to post something and then change it because that can lead to trolley behavior Instagram and facebook say People don't use it for that very often. Well, we'll lock it for editing after a certain amount of time. It's fine The figuring out I was referring to was figuring out the abuse problem that you're talking about it leading to Well, it's I yeah, I still would say like it's it's twitter saying like no We're we're just gonna be 100% like no you can't edit it. Just make sure you say it right the first time It's in other words, it's just it's just that's how they think about it. So you'd have to get them to change with their mind I'm gonna check on my kid all right Yeah, it says Instagram multiple accounts available to some ios users And seeing the feature pop up in ios That's cool. So it's people reporting like hey, I saw this Yeah, and and gadget has it And gadget has it. I don't see that interesting here. I'll send it to you. Well. No, I'm I'm looking I'm saying I don't see it on my feed four hours ago under services No, Instagram introduces 60 second video ads. Is that the headline? No, it says Instagram multiple accounts ios I will put it in chat So they're saying it's probably in the testing phase Look add account. I bet I don't have it I'm not that cool, but That means oh, there it is Yeah, I just missed it But it's weird because I didn't see it like I didn't see it anywhere. I guess nobody's excited about it Except us There's search history. I can't even see it's exact same story as twitter and gifs Except it's instagram and multiple accounts, which is some people are saying hey, I saw this All right guys. I'm gonna tap out here. All right.  Yeah, uh, jenny if you uh, you haven't to know anybody out there I'm all about your boy boy Trying to see if it's on one of my other accounts Yeah, it's just in a testing phase. I bet I don't have it. All right. Well, that's a good sign. It makes me happy Um, and I think it will help instagram usage Yeah, it may not be news Um, it's that weird situation where like I can get excited about something, but if I don't see it Yeah bubbling up in a bunch of different places. I assume that that's my own bias and That may be what happening because only in gadget from what I could tell only in gadget is reported on it Yeah, so it sounds like randomly one of their people Yeah, got it and it's but that's what happened with um With tech crunch was the one who somebody said hey twitter gif and then everybody jumped on that story So maybe that story is going to get jumped on by a bunch of people later Yeah, or it's just not that interesting of people. I don't know No, I feel like it could be too because you could already do this in the android instagram app If you downloaded the apk and installed it yourself They have have it available in beta. And so maybe people are seeing it as like well, it's not new It's just for ios But usually if it's ios that makes people go crazy about it, you know Yeah, it's interesting Anyway, there's that okay, so, um Every we should be all set for tomorrow good um I'm almost done here Uh Any unexpected Oh, yeah, I mean there's always uh the unexpected especially when you're dealing with a working reporter Oh That's always true. We've had that happen before with plenty of people Uh, but yeah, so it'll be fall goes well molly scott and len yep And then you get bonus len next week Bonus on wednesday And yeah, this is so funny like it's just a fan mail friday type episode and it went long Because we had such good stuff. Yep So, yeah, if anybody's wondering where i'm going, I am taking my wife to see jennifer lopez In las vegas, nevada So much fun christmas in february I'm still i'm still jenny from the box. I bet she'll play that She's gonna play all the hits. I wonder if there'll be so any guest Appearances like pull somebody like ladies and gentlemen. Welcome nally frittato Won't be nelly frittata Nelly frittata Nelly frittata Hi, ellie frittata You see these people you still want to sleep? You don't want to see your steamy baby The day I don't like the post show You left me out of the pre-show.  In fact, I should ping him and find out where he's gonna be He knows all the dens of all the sins. All the iniquities It's not all he knows but he does know those No, he does know those. He definitely knows those He's upset of his knowledge We're not trying to say he's Mono Mono knowledgeable Mono canosco I don't know Hellicam Mono sufficed All right I am Out of the post Thanks everybody for watching Enjoy Scott and Molly tomorrow and I'll see you on Monday


Welcome back, in the previous segment we discussed two forms of the F statement and now we are going to discuss the most general form of the F statement. So this is as follows, it begins with if condition consequent but now we are going to have many conditions and consequents. So we will just write condition 1 consequent 1, else if condition 2 consequent 2 and you can have several such else if condition 3 consequent 3, condition 4 consequent 4 and so on. And finally the last statement, the last condition will be if condition n consequent n and followed by that you can have else alternate and this else alternate is optional. So how does this work? Well we are going to evaluate conditions in order. So condition 1, condition 2, condition 3 and so on. If some condition turns out to be true then we execute the corresponding consequent but once a condition is found to be true we do not evaluate subsequent conditions. So we deem the execution of this statement to be over at that point and we go on to the next statement in the program. If all conditions are false, so condition 1 through condition n all of them turn out to be false then we execute the alternate if it is specified. If it is not specified then we just declare that the execution of this if statement is over this entire, this entire statement say from here to here gets over if the condition if these conditions are all false and the alternate is not specified. And as always consequents and the alternate can be blocks or single statements. So I want to describe the if statement suppose it has three conditions then what would it look like if we drew a flowchart for it. So let us see, so over here we have the flowchart of the previous statement. So control executes the previous statement and now enters this is now trying to execute of a if statement. So our if statement has three conditions so it executes the first condition, condition 1 is executed. If it is true then what happens? Well in that case consequent 1 is executed not only is consequent 1 executed but we know that after that none of the other conditions are executed or their consequence are executed. We directly go on to the next statement of our program declaring that this if statement execution is over. So that is what this branch is saying. If this condition 1 that we executed turned out to be false then we execute then we execute condition 2. If this condition 2 is true then we take this branch and execute consequent 2 and then we go to the next statement of the program. If this condition 2 is false we execute condition 3 and then if that condition 3 is true we go on this side, execute consequent 3 and then go on to the next statement. If this condition 3 is false we go on this side and if there is an alternate specified it will appear over here otherwise this branch will directly go on to this point. So that is how an if statement with 3 conditions would look like if you drew it as a flow chart. Alright, so what about our tax calculation program? So now you should be able to write it. So as before we are going to have variable stacks and income and we will read in the income into the variable income. Now if income is less than or equal to 180,000 we are going to say tax is 0 and now we will use the more general if statement. So else that means if this condition is false then we check this condition. If income is less than 500,000 then what do we do? Well then we say that the tax is equal to income minus excess of income over 180,000 10% of that. So that is what this expression is implementing. So remember that this expression is going to be executed if this was false and this is true. So what does that mean? So if this is false then the income is above 180,000. But this is true means the income is less than 500,000. So indeed this statement will be executed only if the income is less than 180,000 but sorry if the income is greater than 180,000 but less than 500,000 exactly as we wanted. But if the income is greater than 500,000 then we come to this part but again we are going to make one more check. If the income is less than 800,000 then the tax is income minus 500,000 20% of it plus 32,000. Again let me indicate when is this statement going to be executed? Well for that statement to execute this condition must be false, this condition must be false and sorry this condition must be false, this condition must be false but this condition must be true and that happens precisely when income is bigger than 500,000 but less than 800,000. And finally if the income is bigger than 800,000 then the last part of a rule gets used which is the excess income above 800,000 30% of it plus 92,000. And so that concludes this if statement. So this general if statement looks very large that is what is concluded and then we print out the tax. I have shown this program the entire program as a flow chart now so first we are going to read in the income then we are going to check is it less than 180,000? If it is then there is no tax, otherwise we check is it less than 500,000? If it is then the tax is 10% of the excess, otherwise we check if it is less than 800,000 so then the tax is as per this box if it is bigger than 800,000 then it is as per this box and at the end we just print the tax. Now I am going to show you a very small modification of the previous program. So far it is the same but here instead of writing else if income less than 500,000 tax is so and so else if income less than 800,000 the tax is so and so. So I would like you to mentally execute the program and tell me whether this program is exactly is doing exactly the same thing as the previous program and I said tell me I mean think for yourself. So for which values of income will it do exactly the same thing? For which values of income possibly will it do something different or in other words if it does the same thing for all values then it is exactly the it is a correct program it is a program which does the same thing as the previous program which we said was correct but if it does something different for some values of income then it is a wrong program and I would like you to tell me whether this program is right or wrong and if so state what error it makes that is for what values of income will it produce an error. So what did we discuss in this segment? We discussed the most general form of if and we used it in our tax calculation program. Next we are going to see more general ways of specifying conditions. So we will take a break.


Hey there, Site 42 staff, Dr. Theron Sherman here, and today we'll be reacting to episode 2 of There Is No Antimemetics Division, created and directed by Andrea Joshua Aznicar, and hosted on the YouTube channel of the same name. Now, because I'm going to be yapping over this whole thing, make sure to watch the episode proper first over on his YouTube channel, and don't forget to subscribe and leave a comment that says Dr. Sherman sent ya. But before we begin, this video is not sponsored by There Is No Antimemetics Division, the book by Quantum. This collection of SCP stories, available in hardcover, paperback, or on ebook, is the very basis of the many series we're enjoying today. And if we want more excellent SCP films, series, games, all that stuff, it's important for us as a community to make sure that we support the authors who create the stories that these other great artists adapt. So make sure to grab your copy today, and now let's get on with the video. It's a nice property. Good shooting location. Do you remember me? You can wake up now. You can do it, Al. I'm not here. When you retired from the foundation, we made you forget. That's what we all signed up for.   Hate needles. Hate needles. Do you remember who you are? Dr. Lynn Patrick Manners, former director and founder of the Foundation's Antimemetic Division. We need some memories from you, which are buried so deeply that we can only extract them by killing you. It's a bad idea. We'll extract those memories, and once we're done, you'll be dead. What happened in 1976? I brainstormed the idea of the Antimemetic Division in less than a week, but it was all too fast. It was too easy. It was as if I knew it all already and was just catching up. And then one day, I realized I could not remember my life before Antimemetics, so I looked up my fight. And I found a hole, like a jigsaw, with only the edges and corners. So I did the only thing I could do, I looked at the shape of the hole. This is not the first Antimemetic Division. Before 1976, there was another one. We've been here before, and we'll do this again. This much we know already, and the question is known. It's the answer we've been looking for all these years that we're killing you for. Why not walk? The first Antimemetics Division was a US Army project. We ran parallel with the Manhattan Project during World War II. We built our equivalent of the hydrogen bomb. We tested it on AIDA, and got looped. We forgot that we had ever built the bomb at all, and it started over. We built. How many of you are there? Do you ever get the feeling you're being watched?  Is that what happened in 1976? Did you set off the second Antimemetic Bomb? Why? It was hitting my division alive. It came at us so hard and so fast, that the only way we could stop it was to self-destruct. What was it? There is an SCP that your division has never seen, which my division could not contain. This is what you wanted, isn't it, Marion? Yes. This is the data we need. If you know it exists, it knows you exist. The more you know about it, the more it knows about you. If you can see it, it can see you. It's always a bad deal. You've been looking right at it all afternoon. Where is it? Is it in you? Destroying all knowledge of it was the only way to destroy it. And you restoring my memory was a foolproof way to bring it back. Well, you need to tell me what this thing is. That's the opposite of what we need to do. You need to set another bomb off. We don't have that bomb, but we lost that technology. You always had it. There's an engineering lab inside 41. You know it. And now the ground complex in pristine conditions. I'm totally disused. Why? Think about it. That's where your bomb is installed. If I set the bomb off, we're back to square one. How do we contain this thing? You can't. Don't you get it? The whole division is looped. We started the division. We run headlong into this thing and either it eat us or we wipe ourselves out in self-preservation. What is it? Where did it come from? What does it want? Why? Why did you make me remember? Welcome back, handsome. T.F. found you barely. What were you looking for? What were you doing there? Were you with? Did you at least find what you were looking for? Quite remember. Tumbled with anti-mimetics. That was a shorty, but that was intense. I wanted to make a joke when he started bleeding from his face. He wasn't using that face anyways, but I was too gripped. And so was he by the crunching noises that I was hearing. I want to go back and see that balloon one more time. But I'm waiting till the credits are done. Being polite, giving everyone their props. Now, whether you know this or not, I actually know nothing about there is no anti-mimetics division. It's a big thing when you talk to SCP people as, you know, there's over thousands of, 10,000 of stories on the Wiki proper. So most people have their favorites, but they don't have an encyclopedia knowledge of everything because there's too much to know. So everyone's SCP fandom has certain targets that they're on. And there is no anti-mimetics division is not in my target area. So besides we don't, we need to talk about 55 and Alistair Gray, those are the only two TNAD stories that I know. So all of this is new information for me after episode two. And wowza. All right. Let me pause and let's go see this 99. Cthulhu balloons, picking up this one old guy. Something bad is happening here. You will not remember though. Okay, so he has little bug legs coming out of his tummy tum and we got Cthulhu. How you hanging up there? That's very interesting. Oh, that's cool. So interesting, so neat. Was this based on an SCP story? I didn't see anything in the credits. Of this is adapted from, okay, which one is it? Based on there is no anti-mimetics division, gotcha. But is there a specific story for this one? It does not say, at least in the credits as I read them very quick on a read through. But what I'll do since they were so clear with previous, the two adaptations, since they were so clear on how they took from that and so by the books, let me go by SCP anti-mimetics. Anti-mimetics, unforgettable, that's what you are. That's L, not L. Maybe I heard it wrong. Yep, okay, so this is L, not L. I got that production wrong. Do you remember who you are? Going down, what happened in 76? Gives them another 10 years. Army, red flag, it's in his eyes. So it was specifically his eyes were bleeding. I thought that, but I wasn't sure if it was just his face or his eyes. You just put the bomb off, we don't have the bomb, we lost that technology, you've always had it. Oh, this tells you more. Okay, ah, okay. Well, since we're doing this as a series, I'm not gonna read too much about this so that I go into the rest of the series and see what they're presenting, but obviously, especially if you get the book, then you can read the whole story right away. So do that, support Quantum, and of course, head over to the Andrea Joshua Aznicar YouTube channel and support their works as well. Now I'm gonna get ready for episode three, so I'll see you all in the next video. Secure, contain, protect. Thank you for listening.  Please become a patron or visit our merch store at the link in our bio to support our work. Secure, contain, protect.


Good day, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to today's ARL webcast. To submit a question or comment at any time during the webcast, please click on the Ask a Question button at the bottom of your screen. Simply type your message into the box and click on the Submit button. At this time, it is my pleasure to turn the floor over to Prue Adler. Ma'am, the floor is yours. Thank you, Patrick. Good afternoon, everyone, and welcome to the ARL webcast on the Substance and Implications of the Recent Decision in the lawsuit over Georgia State's University's e-reserve program. I am Prue Adler, Associate Executive Director of ARL, and I will be moderating today's session. Joining me today are Jonathan Band of Policy Bandwidth and Brandon Butler, Director of ARL Public Policy Initiative. Jonathan helped shape the laws governing intellectual property and the Internet through a combination of legislative and appellate advocacy. He has represented clients with respect to the drafting of the Digital Millennium Copyright Act, the PRO-IP Act, the Stop Online Piracy Act, or SOPA, and other federal and state statutes relating to intellectual property and the Internet. He is also legal counsel to the Library Copyright Alliance. Members of the Library Copyright Alliance include ARL, the American Library Association and the Association of College and Research Libraries. Jonathan is an adjunct professor at the Georgetown University Law Center and has written extensively on intellectual property and the Internet, including the books Interfaces on Trial and Interfaces on Trial 2.0 and over 100 articles that give new meaning to scholarly communication. Jonathan received a BA, Magda Cum Laude, Phi Beta Kappa in 1982 from Harvard College and a JD from Yale Law School in 1985. Brandon's responsibilities include analysis and advocacy regarding copyright, privacy, surveillance, free expression and telecommunications. He also writes the ARL policy blog and the ARL policy Twitter account. He is a proud alumnus of the University of Georgia, has an MA in philosophy from the University of Texas at Austin and a JD from the University of Virginia School of Law. Before working at ARL, he was an associate in the media and information technologies practice at the law firm Dowlowness in Washington, D.C. Our presenters will recap the basic facts of the case and the key holdings in the decision, discuss the possible next steps in the litigation and suggest some of the possible consequences for libraries when making decisions, I'll see in the context. Midway through the webcast, we will take a break for questions and leave time at the end as well for Jonathan and Brandon to respond to questions from you. This webcast will be archived coming long weekend. It will be available through ARL's YouTube channel. Please check ARL's website for getting this set up, Brandon, over to you. I've been waiting for it for a pretty long time now.  What just happened here? What are the big takeaways? So kind of non-profit educational use in the internet age, right? We have not had a case on point yet until now. Profiled defeat for Payno in this issue and who favored a draconian standard based on the 1976 classroom guidelines that would limit the use of these resources dramatically, but instead they lost big time on 94 out of the 99 infringements that they alleged on libraries, on other libraries or on other courts. Only Georgia State University is bound by the outcome of this. So it's going to be a useful input for folks who are deciding what to do next. The framework that is outlined in this decision generally favors libraries, but there are some important caveats to that. And finally, and this may be the most important thing to remember, there is more to come in this case in particular and in fair use in general, right? This is only a district. There could be an appellate court decision and this is a decision about one subset of issues and there are many other issues still hot and interesting and frankly undecided in the courts. So this is a fascinating decision, but it's one decision and it's the beginning of a decision really. So with that, I will turn it over to John. You know, there's always the sense, you know, of course, typically after the threatening people sit down, cooler heads prevail, universities and adopt to the policy that was much more similar to some of the policies that other the litigation can be ordered to stop violating federal law going forward. So it's all about the future and it's not about money. It's about behavior on fair use. Georgia State's policy was found to be a good faith attempt to follow fair use. They weren't faking it when they wrote the checklist. And there were only five infringements shown versus again the 9911. One chapter rule was appropriate under the third factor and the policy did not include such a rule. And so the court now we'll talk a little bit in more detail. The state sovereign immunity issue, again, this is a very technical injunctive relief against state official acting in their official capacity. So as Brandon said, you know, the case was really about damages, the way it evolved sovereign immunity issue. And again, only with respect to the new policy, the court wasn't concerned about what happened under the old policy because you had a new policy. If this was a normal case where there were damages available, you would be looking at the old policy. But since this new policy came into play, the only issue was whether the lawfulness of the new policy. Again, the technical issue with sovereign immunity is you have to make sure you name the right plaintiff. And so you can't sue the university itself and actually an early round of litigation of people who who are more involved in those two higher level officials that really don't get that these high level officials were the right or the appropriate and seed with respect to those defendants with the for fair use factors and we'll be walking through them and talking about them in much more detail about what the these four issues it's important to sort of look at all the e-reserves, all the excerpts on e-reserves and came up with the list of 99 that they actually brought forward at trial. So there was, Georgia State had the two years that the policy did only with the 99 excerpts and from that the litigation proceeded and now we can turn to how the court applied the the four factor and query into whether the use is transformative. But it also asked criticism, commentary, teaching, educational use. So there are some guidance as to what kinds of purposes fair use is really interested in. And the court was persuaded by the language of the statute, both the preamble of section 107, which is a preamble to the whole statute, not just the first factor and the text of the first factor that what Georgia State was up to here, the sort of spreading of knowledge, the educational enterprise, criticizing and commenting on past culture and the context of teaching is really at the heart of fair use. And for that reason, the first factor always strongly favors fair use in these kinds of e-reserves cases. This is a really important finding because the instead to find that Georgia State was doing just what commercial copy shops had that were to be sold for profit and that they were doing just what the Texaco Corporation had done when they were making copies of articles in support of their for-profit research. And the court refuses to accept that analogy and instead says there is a real and very significant difference between these for-profit uses and a free non-profit educational context. So that's a really big finding for the educational users out there. Now she does not find that the use is transformative, which has been a dominant consideration in modern fair use law for the last couple of decades. And I'll say a little bit more about that later on, but that turns out to be not a not a major issue because she finds the first factor favors us quite strongly every time anyway regardless of it not being a transformative use. Use works were fact works or express facts but they don't have less than something a non-fiction work. Pretty clear. It's pretty clear from the legislative history that the classroom guidelines are not the law and the kind of authority that they have is is not a mystery to most people but the those the classroom guidelines which set really extraordinarily limiting boundaries on the amount that can be considered fair use. Repeated use across semesters is not going to she has a nice long discussion of what the classroom guidelines really were, which was a private negotiation between a few parties in the 1970s which came to a very limited safe harbor and she reasonably moves on from there to not give them much weight at all. She also to determine how much is fair amount to take she has to ask well what is the whole work if we're going to talk about what portion of the work is a usable amount we need to know what is the whole work and she decides that the work is the book not individual chapters even though that in some cases each chapter in the book will have a separate author and that's a I think that's a really interesting and important finding and she also says that the whole the work includes the index and the front matter so it's it's every page from the cover from the front cover to the back cover so that also favors fair use and papers library use because you have a larger whole from what you're taking but she does say that because the use is nontransformative the amount has to be decidedly small and narrowly tailored to a legitimate purpose so she can be decidedly small in this context and she looks at some cases and sort of distills this number these 10 1 chapter kind of number but I think it's important to note that this is only with respect to the third factor so unlike the classroom guidelines and some of the other guidance that's out there that says essentially if you take more than 2000 words it's not fair use what the judge is saying here and it plays out when she actually makes a decision is that if it's more than 10 percent that weighs against you on one factor out of four but she's still going to weigh the other factors and so it is not the end of the discussion which is a acting card role that numbers often play in the fair use context absolutely no effect on the author's incentives for being used in the reserve system you know she noted that they they had all sorts of other fees advancement of so forth and so she really didn't think that the use of excerpts would have any negative impact on incentives to create she also looked at the interest represented by these licensing fees and she just found that they were minuscule and so so these you know the use of excerpts in the manner that Georgia State was was doing would would through we're doing the same kind of thing she just didn't think that that was a very credible argument and why are we here why is why is this litigation ongoing given that that's so little money is at stake finally how fair use in this instance will promote the dissemination of knowledge and the further the purposes of copyright and and here what she did but recently there was the Golan versus Holder decision and one of the argument you know that had to do with sort of pulling works that were in the public domain one of the arguments of those how how is it possible that sort of to create in in the other directory 150 of what Judge Evans was thinking and so how did she then in the remaining you know 260 pages apply this framework to the Georgia State system of course reserves well the first thing she asked for every work so she she analyzed 75 excerpts and I'll show you a little slide later on to talk about how things kind of got winnowed down but she she looked at 75 excerpts and the first thing she asked was before I even talk about whether you know before we even get into fair use the publishers need to tell me that they have a reason to be in court right now challenging this with respect to this work they need to explain that they own the copyright in this work and there were actually a lot of excerpts where the publishers couldn't prove that they owned the work that they were suing over quite common that it would be a a book with you know edited by a couple of authors but then with contributions by you know the author of each chapter and they would have the agreement with the editors but not the agreement with the chapter authors and the court just tossed those claims without even getting into fair use because to make a to just to get into the courthouse door as it were metaphorically you need to prove that you have a right and the publishers couldn't make that make that showing which says something about what we can what we can expect in the future in terms of orphan works that is there's probably an even bigger universe of works out there than anyone is willing to think about and be disputable where people will not be able to prove what they own the next category where the court just didn't even get to the fair use question she applied a doctrine called de minimis non cure at lex right which is the law doesn't concern itself with little things so there were these uses where probably are all too familiar with this phenomenon but nobody read it using the logs from their course reserve system that only you know only the professor um then the judge would say look there's no harm here right nobody ever saw the copyrighted work so i'm not going to i don't care whether there was fair use or not because nothing happened that's significant that look who cares what happened here because there's none that really came into play and knocking a lot of these works out of consideration and flipping the analysis in favor of georgia in many cases licenses for digital excerpts just were not available so if the plaintiffs come and come to the court complaining that we're entitled to make money here but the court found that they weren't on the market she wasn't going to hear their complaint right that's that flipped the fourth factor in favor of the library and they already had factor one and two so factor one two and four favor the library and that was the end of the discussion um and then the final thing that colored the analysis throughout was that frankly professors were generally being pretty modest and reasonable and the amounts that they were asking for so the amounts were almost always under one chapter or ten percent um so you know the professors were more or less intuitively getting it right even though this kind of bright line that judge evans drew um you know they had no they had no way to know that that would be the bright line that she drew but they were coming to that conclusion anyway so in the end right as we said and the problem in each of those five cases um was that it turns out there was a license and it turned out that the library used more than she thought was reasonable and that was it um but otherwise in the vast majority of cases um the uses were modest or the publisher was not in the market or both and so it was overall a big victory for georgia state by the end of this month and then georgia state final order i imagine what uh the the the publishers will do you know one chapter idea and the availability at that point you know who knows what the uh what the the court of hopefully they would decision entirely or or even uh kind of the the judges to know what would happen on appeal and the other point uh cases only binding on actions and other libraries uh you know so the one district court decision and uh and and and it's a valuable data certainly uh not the final word some questions asking about whether just video audio um and if not what does it mean in terms of use of journal articles what is your speculation about the implication the reason this opinion looks the way it does and of whether these uses are transformative because the people read when they're in college you know there's really this is this doesn't look like the kind of case where you might think about transformativeness and this whole question of 10 or one chapter really doesn't export well right to the images of the to the audio visual context i mean what's a chapter from a movie and and why would you limit a chat a movie or a or a song to 10 percent so these i think this decision the application of this decision beyond scholarly books would be very strange and really kind of so i think it's it's still kind of wide open territory for those categories of works i think you're when you're trying to deal with using works other than scholarly books you're going to have to look to all the same resources you've been looking to so far i hope you'll look to the code of best practices and you know find out what your community is doing and what they think is a rational way to attack these problems but i think honestly and i i just can't imagine the judge disagreeing very strongly that she decided the case before her and that case was about academic books and for those of you who send in questions the number of them are going to be answered in the next half of this webcast so just hold tight we'll get to them we have another question asking from someone in a private university the concern is that a great deal of what was in favor of gsu is due to gsu being a public university how might this have been different for a private university scope of the case as a new policy and not the old policy and apparently under the old policy there was a lot you know much larger excerpts were used that may have had more of an impact on the market and so if you can imagine that if this was in the private university context maybe the the the the the the older policy would know what the court would have done with that older policy or or exactly what was going on there because the court only looked at the new policy um and and and the fair use analysis with respect to the new policy uh apologies as as well as uh as it as it does to uh we have an inflation on both of your parts so i'll let you both figure out how you want to weigh in it asks how do you feel that what were the publishers trying to accomplish by bringing this litigation against george estate do you suspect that publishers will continue this practice or will the ruling make a difference through than the policies from the other universities have at that point you know i i was bewildered that they continued to litigate i just don't get it um uh and and um it could it could very well be that they just decided that they wanted to shut this as we're applying it the rigorous speculation is that uh what they wanted to do is to say in fair use determinations they you know it could very well be that what they ultimately were looking for was fair use determinations would have to be made by uh the general counsel's office figured that between having lawyers doing it and and and and the the resources that would be required for lawyers to do it you'd have a lot less uh you know much less uh included and much uh in in e-reserves and then and then much more much more uh material being licensed so i think that that was their ultimate goal was not necessarily to shut the whole thing down all together but to make it there would be a more licensing and especially things like the ccc blanket license i think that that's why they were willing to fund the litigation in terms of whether they'll do this again i i think not and have very very little to show for it and so i think uh uh you know i think there's slides and then additional questions at the end again might not be exactly their use um uh it's really really easy to get i want to say should overwhelm everything you know because of the educational use so you don't really need to look at everything else um as a brand and so you know the library is automatically easy to get to that third either by having just one chapter license and so even if um uh you use more than one chapter available uh you still those other factors that i talked about financing revenue for the publisher with respect to this work and so even in in these two two ties it could still tilt towards the library um and finally the final piece of good news is that uh as brand and indicated you know kind of the hundred words and and the whole issue of spontaneity the notion that you needed to you know you can only semester if you need if you're going to you or one class if you're going to use it again then you need it to get a license you need it to get permission you know that whole notion and i know that that this whole spontaneity thing has sort of permeated the educational world their factory is is arbitrary right i mean there are just there are going to be times when two chapters um you know you can imagine inflated in terms of the number of chapters um a numbers game even though it's ultimately not a trump um excerpts is used closed parentheses it's still obviously um and that's a hugely important concept in fair use law and she just rolls right past it hilarity in the fourth factor right if you read the decision when she discusses the market harm and the effect on the market and so on you know she's again as we'll see in just a minute extremely impatient with the cons with the idea that there's real market harm here i mean there just is not real market harm but she has this a copyright is supposed to be control over copying and she thinks that that should somehow get an extra bit of weight and so she says well if you're out there trying to exert control via a license that should count for something um but that would that's that's circular right because every fair use is a use that is being done despite the fact that a an owner could in theory demand a license so you know it's it's it's very circular and i think anybody that's thought much about fair use will be driven somewhat insane by this idea of the fourth factor just automatically flipping if there's a market there as an initial matter although as jonathan said she goes back and revisits and looks a little deeper in these tight cases good news but let's not end on bad news let's talk about numbers because the numbers are very interesting so the court told us a lot about the harm that publishers suffer from course reserves it's on the georgia state system who knows how many but many many and the publishers got to cherry pick 99 that they challenged right so they presumably picked their best case and of the original 99 that they alleged were all infringing the average amount taken was 9.6 percent of the work right we know that from the judge's decision there's a footnote and then uh they the publishers just the 75 for final determination they gave no reason the court said well i'm only going to look at 75 because the publishers decided they didn't want me to look at the other uh you know 24 or whatever an average amount taken so we can infer that what they did was drop all the one page excerpts right they dropped all the teeny tiny excerpts where they really knew that they were going to lose and they also wanted to bump that average over 10 because that's the kind of a magic threshold apparently um so that's how we got down to 75 and then our tiny purple dot represents the five infringements that they were able to prove so you know some heartening numbers there that of this whole universe they picked their they picked their best 99 and then of that 99 they went out it down even further to their best 75 and of that 75 they could only prove five so it's a pretty dramatic loss narrative there so then judge uh excuse me judge Evans also told us excerpts is 0.25 percent of total revenue so that's that little bitty pencil line slice coming out of the pie right so the idea as judge Evan said that you know if academic licensing were just to cease to exist if they never made another penny on academic licensing um that piece of the pie you probably wouldn't even notice it missing judge ultimately decided they should have 50 bucks which um is .00015 percent of their overall aggregate revenue right um i do an idea of there are at least it's not about what they could prove they lost um because they they lost a fraction of a fraction of a fraction of their total it's worked very hard with the library community to talk about fair use in new ways in recent years um and to provide a tool that we think is extraordinarily useful um for you guys um and knowing how to apply your fair use rights there is a decision that affects um the same phenomena that the code addresses in principle one what turns out first spinning right so she dismisses transformativeness um which is you know a problem um we care what people are doing which is also a problem most judges typically do care what the community is thinking um but in reality the decision didn't come out terribly differently in practice um there are many commonalities in the way that the judge is thinking um and the way that the code is again is at the core of fair use um you should tailor your use to your audience and purpose more modest use should be made of works whose core audience is the classroom use all of these things are represented in the code and all of these things are represented in the decision um one thing though is that the code applies to all media and as i mentioned earlier there's really nothing in the decision to give you guidance if you're talking about audio video um or popular materials as opposed to scholarly material so the code is going to give you some help in those areas where the georgia state decision really didn't um so that that concludes the sort of run through there and i think we can take maybe a couple of final questions well this one's for Jonathan and um he asks do you believe that the de minimis portion of the decision gives libraries broader leeway when digitizing material for storage in a dark archive when that digitization falls outside of 108 if no one ever downloaded it uh you know no one ever um and certainly if you think uh then in terms of archive where you would have something scanned uh but then never not not it's uh it was cases uh from behind the curtain um and and and it could conceivably even have implications for let's say the hotty trust litigation where you know that's not not actually when they when they're sort of saying okay well now how do i think about this uh how do i use it i think as was said it's it's sort of uh totally uh people will have to sort of do their own uh fair use analysis um you know uh and and uh and keep uh keep what they think applies to their circumstance think uh don't necessarily uh then then you know they you know the two factors as opposed you know then doing this you know if you have three to one then you win or if it's one to three then you lose and all that kind of stuff um you know i'm not i'm not uh completely the publishers might wait it might be a you know a bit on it could be that that that the time would if they kind of wait till absolutely the last minute and then the following a piece of paper uh you don't you know to notice the appeal um but you probably we could ask leave to file across the peel out of time if the publishers were to wait until you know uh absolutely the last uh the last second before they they filed their notice um uh you know you can you can always appeal out of time and I would think that if you're a state institution uh a court would likely uh look favorably on on such a such a and to Jonathan we've run out of time in fact we're a little over time um again this will be up on the air website sometime after the long weekend um and it's on the infinite conferencing system it'll be archived there as well um I thank you very much for joining us today this has been raised and obviously the interest is very very strong and this conversation will continue for quite and um good afternoon thank you that this was today's love test you thank you for your participation you may now disconnect your lines and have a great day


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