Live from Las Vegas, Nevada. It's theCUBE at HP Discover 2014, brought to you by HP. Okay, welcome back everyone. Live here in Las Vegas for HP Discover 2014. This is theCUBE, our wrap-up day, day three. Let's wrap this whole show up, Dave. HP, fourth year now covering HP Discover. We've seen and we are chronicling and documenting the turnaround. We are embedded in reporters here inside HP doing social media magic, as we always do. How many interviews have we done? So many, I can't even count. Let's get the last. 23, well, I don't know, probably about 30. No, way, way over that, almost 40. Let's get the last burst of energy and then break it down here. Impressive. Is there a lot of flair? No, is there a lot of game-changing announcements? Yes, I think the HP high-performance computing thing is a game-changer. I think that innovation is fantastic. That's one. The turnaround, I just still think it's too slow, you know? I think, and the Khadifa comment you made earlier about him leaving, being kind of forced out or stepping down or whatever you want to kind of intimate really is about performance. Are they doing it fast enough? Meg Whitman got a round of applause, which said they're making the hard choices.  But, you know, overall, you know, I think the health meter, I see the ship moving positively in the right direction, away from the icebergs, into the warmer waters. HP Cloud, a real bright spot, okay? There's a lot of energy there, they're evangelizing, but they're putting in the team together. You're going that next evolution. They're hanging iron off the foundation to build that skyscraper called OpenStack for the Enterprise. You have the storage group, you know, dropping a bomb on the hybrid flash. I liked that move, it was very stealthy. I would not expect that. And then HP Software, just continuing to mine their business and knit together some killer solutions with big data and the analytics side. So, overall, I think the storage piece is very positive. I'm very surprised with the HP Cloud stuff. And HP Storage is not going away. They're moving, moving the ball inch by inch. Well, I think, let's step back and look at the bigger picture here. You have to evaluate this company. And I agree with you, it's going too slow. Why is it so slow? I think you have to go back to the herd era. And what he did is he placated Wall Street, and he did a good job. Marker is an operator, he cut expenses, he got people focused, he focused on the go-to market. He's, I know guys who have worked for him, both in HP and in Oracle and other places, NCR. Guy is an operator, okay? So he was on a path. Now, my opinion was always that they were going to, HP was going to hit rocky waters because of the squeeze in R&D. And because of the piece parts really not coming together as well as they potentially could. Enter Leo Apatecker, disaster. One of the most disastrous 10 years of any CEO I can ever think of, started to juice up investments in various areas. Obviously, the mobile stuff pulled back on that, threw a lot of confusion out there, spinning off the PC division, sent this company into a tailspin. And they had to bring in a Silicon Valley veteran, Meg, you've said before, taking one for the team. And it took a long time to figure out what's going on, the autonomy acquisition. It just took a long time to get through all that crap. Those pieces were a mess. And I think you had leaders of those companies. It comes down to those acquisitions, John. I think HP has really got to figure that out coming into this, coming out of this downturn. Because you look at companies like IBM, EMC, Oracle, they do a really good job with these acquisitions. They find companies that either fit culturally or fit into their mold. And I think HP didn't do that with autonomy. I think it didn't do that with Vertica. And as a result, it wasn't able to leverage them early on. You had leaders of those companies that wanted to stay independent. And that didn't work. So Meg's finally got her hands around this thing. And she's still tweaking, making moves with Kadifa. Obviously she moved Donna Telly out. And that's part of the reason why it's taking so long. It's somewhat frustrating. But the good news is the valuation of this company has risen quite dramatically in the last 12 months. They're throwing off cash. They're paying down their debt. And I think there's nothing but upside for these guys. I think you're right, Dave. I think Meg Whitman is an interesting persona to evaluate her performance. Think about the dilemma she has and what she's done. She's had to come into HP and essentially write the ship. With a lot of great people here. And I got to say, I'm a big fan of HP and IBM for that matter. Both those companies have earned my respect because I've worked with them and I've seen, I know the people in there. Quality, quality individuals. At the same time, she's got to put the team together that's going to make the best move for the shareholders of the company. The shareholders of the company want innovation and they want performance. So you got to balance the short term performance of Wall Street expectations with innovation. And that is always a hard thing to do while you're hemorrhaging a PR disaster, which HP has had. I think she's done a good job. But she's not technical, right? So the thing that I've always watched, and I think I've said this on theCUBE when she's first started, when we were here, was that she's not technical. She's got some experience running for governor. She's running in CEO at eBay. She can run, she's an operator. She can smell what's right and what's wrong. She's, her strength is not technical, okay? So that being said, who within HP was going to rise up to be that steward for technology innovation? Who's there, Pat Gelsinger? I think Martin Fink is emerging as their, you're right, as the Pat Gelsinger. So we heard from multiple people. So now, okay, you're going to rearrange the chairs. Now in HP language, that's years, right? You just can't, HP is not the kind of company that can handle the trauma of just ripping out an executive and moving things around that fast, right? So if you look at HP, the culture is about gradual change. Under a timetable, I would grant, it's five years, it's still some nice runway for Meg, but still, still not enough time. So it's interesting to see the flushing of talent and who's leaving and who's staying, but I got to tell you, I'm impressed with the cloud. They're attracting really, really amazing people from the industry to work here. And so, you know, the notion that HP is a disaster, it's a tough place to work. Yeah, even when you're giving layoffs and you're trimming down, it can be sad. But they're attracting good people. The software team, Robert Young-Johns and his team are refreshing to talk to. They're not empty suits. So I see where it's going. You start to see the formation of the teams. I still think they're missing the developer angle 100%. I think they're winning with OpenStack in the developer community. I think they're groping on the software side with the developers. Vertica certainly has done well on the developer side, but I just don't see a coherent vision around developers worldwide under what HP can do for them. I mean, if you look at the big system vendors, IBM, HP, let's put EMC in that list. I guess Cisco, you've got to include them as well. And Oracle. When I look at Oracle, obviously, you get database and applications. You look at IBM, a huge software portfolio. EMC's got VMware. HP's got autonomy, it's got Vertica, it's got security, it's got little acquisitions here and there that it's picked up. You know, it's got a $5 billion software business. I don't know, $6 billion software business, 5%, 6% of the company revenue, not enough.  Yes, they've got Vertica, but it's not a mainstream database. So that's missing. So they've got to grow that business. The question is, can that business grow fast enough and become a big enough contributor to power HP, to power the margins of this company? I don't see it. I think it's going to take some time and I've said all along, HP is going to have to get back into the acquisition game and get some corporate development folks in here that really can drive this company's inorganic growth, complimenting the organic growth that I'm starting to see. Now that's the other thing I wanted to mention. I've said many, many times, got to get back to the roots of Invent and I'm starting to see that. We've seen that innovation on the server side with Moonshot, we're seeing with Apollo, the piece that Martin Fink put forth to your point with the machine. Memorister, you know, the guys I talked to, some Jean-Luc Chattelain is convinced, you know, the CTO of data domain, we've had him on theCUBE many times, John, he's convinced that Memorister or something like it, some other non-volatile memory is going to take the enterprise by storm. Other guys like David Floyer, who's made some good calls, are saying they're not going to be able to compete with the volumes of Flash and DRAM. So that's going to be interesting.  But I like it, I like that they're inventing and innovating on that front. The OpenStack piece, again I love, just not big enough yet. No customers are actually implementing OpenStack and Sara said yesterday, you will by next year see some big names that are implementing OpenStack. Okay, we'll see. They've got to have that. So let's talk about the HP's high performance computing. What do you think about that? Because you and I were talking just a few weeks ago around our vision and editorial agenda and research agenda that we're putting together around HPC and the cloud, the intersection. Not in the cloud, but cloud and on-prem HPC. What's your take on GTA and Antonio Neary's approach there? Well, as Jim said, when you look at the top super computing installations, HP has participated in many, many of them. They've been in that niche for a long, long time. It's a quirky bunch. And the question is, I tell you, I used to run, not run, I mean, yes, I managed the high performance computing business at IDC under a woman named Deborah Goldfarb. She was really the brains behind it. But in just observing that space, so I'm not an expert in that space, but in observing that space for 20 years, I've been hearing that these technologies are going to go mainstream for 20 plus years, John. And they've not done so. And the reason is they're architecturally different. The availability attributes are different than what you typically see in the enterprise. That's why I asked the question on big data. I think big data is the conduit for HPC into the enterprise. And Jim said, well, you know, not really. And I think that because that was a marketing answer and Jim has a product that he can plug in, he's positioning for big data. But I think that that high performance computing technology that scale out that HPC file system type of approach is perfect for big data. Why? Because it's inexpensive in theory. It's fast. It's scale out. It's massively scalable. And it's a perfect fit, as I say, for big data. So that's where I think the conduit is. And I think I haven't seen that from HP. I want to hear more about how they're going to bring that to the enterprise. I was very impressed with HP's use of social media and they've been adopting our CrowdChat product day, which has been getting a lot of great reviews here. Some of the feedback from the folks is that we're going to use more of them. People are using the CrowdChat to meet each other. And I think what's been interesting is that that's been a fun social piece. So I'm seeing HP's social media teams really doing a better job this year than last. Every year it gets better, better and better. So overall, HP is retooling. I'm very impressed with them. And I think in my take, another successful event. Hi, great, John. I think this is, of all the HP discovers we've been to, I'm more excited about where HP is right now than I ever have been. And then, so we haven't talked about some of the stuff we talked about in day one, which is the Flash portfolio. I love what 3PAR is doing, driving costs below $2 a gigabyte. I think you're going to hear the same criticisms, it's a bolt-on, et cetera. But with HP's distribution channel, if they're really under $2 a gigabyte and they're, I like their positioning. Unlike EMC, who says, oh, it's going to take a long time for Flash to replace disk, numbers suggest that it's going to take till 2017, blah, blah, blah. HP's saying, no, there's no reason for high performance disk anymore. It's an oxymoron. I think they're right. And I think that positioning and that marketing is going to pay off for them. And I think they can be really aggressive there. Other parts of their portfolio, you know, man, it's okay, you know, store wants, it's nice. I think they've really got to beef up the software component there. And other parts of the portfolio, but 3PAR, as I've said many times, the gift that keeps on giving, that is the crown jewel on the storage side. I also like what Tom Joyce is doing with the converged infrastructure. They've now got a single SKU product. I think that positions them very well. I think they're working toward, related to what we were talking earlier on the service side, the hyperconvergence space. I think HP's very well positioned there. And it's HP, you know, so I think they're going to do well. So Barcelona's right around the corner. Dave, predictions. Let's go into our prediction mode. You know how we love to do predictions. Sometimes we fall flat on our face. Sometimes we get it right. Most of the time we get it right. So my prediction is that HP turnaround continues. I think the company's going to continue to move forward. I think the stock's going to continue to go up. I think this company is going to get to, I think their valuation is going to double over the next 12 to 24 months. That would be my prediction. That's a bold prediction, 24 month double double in value. I'm not sure I would agree with that on that. I don't think it's good. Well, you want a bold prediction, here it is. Certainly bold. We'll be in Barcelona. I like to be more accurate. So I see, almost my predictions come true, Dave. So that's why I won't go out in a little bit. About half of mine do. Okay. My prediction is I think you're going to see some aggressive M&A activity and start to come out. So now you see in Meg's keynote, the vibe was different with Meg's keynote. So that gives me some confidence that she's holding some cards back. I see the movement. I see people holding cards close to their chest. There's a pony in there somewhere. We're going to find it, but I believe that there's some new stuff going to spring out of HP, some new markets, new opportunities, but they're going to manage that with a risk management approach. I think it's going to be very conservative. With that being said, they have to do some things quickly. Now that they've got the runway gone, Dave, they're absorbing the autonomy hit, you're going to start to see some tuck-unders. You're going to start to see some deals that are strategic. I'm predicting the cloud team will start doing some acquisitions. Given the team that they got, I just cannot imagine them not, going to the free agency market, getting more talent, more capabilities, and moving quickly on the product-market fit to accelerate the open-source community around OpenStack, but more importantly, getting a more sales growth mindset around that cloud opportunity. And the software side, I think, you're going to see a much more accelerated effort around product-market fit for revenue. I think you're going to start to see some aggressive sales take place. And so that's going to happen to see some growth there. So my prediction is the software group will grow. The cloud group will start to really accelerate. I don't even think they've hit that hockey stick yet. I think they're still the bottom of the curve and hasn't even kicked up yet. So with that team, I'm just expecting- I like that prediction. And I've been saying for a while, HP's got to shrink before it grows. And I've also, I've sort of pushed Meg Whippin on this, Meg, you're saying you're not going to do any acquisitions until you pay down your debt. That's kind of draconian. I think you have to make acquisitions before you pay down that debt. And you should, but I think there've been so, there's such a backlash from the last acquisition. If our HP, I would be buying software as a service companies in the niche application space, vertical industries, other niche type of services, and I would be running them on my HP cloud to get critical mass. I would be shifting my portfolio toward software as a service because that is the future. Cloudification and software as a service, if you're in the software business, you have to have that capability. And that's where I would be investing in tuckins. So Rackspace has got a $5.3 billion valuation. Obviously HP can't afford it to do a proxy on that. So maybe nice to get Rackspace. They had Rackspace. But I just don't see that as a good fit. I mean, you mentioned that before. It's just too much legacy hosting there. Why do they want to be in that business? Whereas a distribution channel, I mean, they've got a distribution channel. Is it technology? They got open stack technology. Why Rackspace? I don't get that. One, the rumor is they're on the block. And then the second thing is, is that it's an interesting fit. I mean, with software with IBM, I was again, I'm falling on my sword. I completely was laughing at that acquisition. You know, I didn't have a lot of context, but when I started to dig in, what they did with Softlayer, you can see that the bare metal as a service is an interesting market, right? So- Why not buy Virtustream instead for a billion? Rodney's company. Why get all the baggage of Rackspace? Well, I'm not predicting, I'm just saying, Rackspace would be interesting. No, let's play M&A for a minute. Okay, open stack. If you're betting on open stack, right, and you're putting a billion dollars into development, or more, what's a couple more billion? Are they deficient in open stack, do you think? Who? HP. No, but in terms of open stack presence and open stack. See, I think they're deficient in public cloud. That's why, to me, an acquisition like Virtustream, you know, or, you know, a Softlayer before them, would be a better fit for HP than a Rackspace, which is, which is really a holster- I don't mean to rattle over, I'm wrapping this in as an example of a nice little brand that could be tucked under. If, I don't think IBM's healthy enough to handle that- Why would you want Rackspace? I don't get it. I just see Rackspace- All right, it's over, you'd be overpaying for an asset that just doesn't fit that well because it's got so much of a legacy baggage. Yeah, I think there's some value there, some synergy to tell you what I like about Rackspace from an HP standpoint. Again, I have not done the analysis, I'm just completely pulling this out of my, you know what. One, the brand has got some good value. Their employee customer-centric approach really fits HP's culture. HP is a culture of quality and serving customers. So the Rackspace fits there. Three, you got bare metals of service on the hosting side. Customer base you can build onto and bring public cloud into. You have public cloud, so. And they're in the open stack community. So, and they're a leader. They like the inventors. So just kind of, you know, it would get my attention. Now the numbers probably don't work out. My point is, you can tuck that in. It's not a tuck under, it's a major deal. But that's all I'm saying. Yeah, now I'm throwing off Virtustream and I really haven't done the analysis either.   But okay, well will Amazon continue to kick, here's the question.  I think IBM is going to beef up its, swipe the credit card service with SoftLayer. Now maybe I'm wrong about that. Maybe they'll try to stick with the private cloud. Maybe that's just a red herring. But I think with SoftLayer, they have the capability to do that. I think HP needs to replicate that because I think they're given lip service to the public cloud and I think that's a mistake. Well, I think the public cloud is a really interesting play in small, medium-sized enterprise. For instance, we were at the Nimblesoft Restorage event. The mid-sized market is huge. And the legacy in that market is telephone closet, servers, channel partner, doing Outlook email upgrades. When you put everything's platform as a service, softwares as a service, serves a huge market. If you think about how fast HP or IBM could onboard the software market that's in the mid-range, huge opportunity, everything can win there. So I think there's a huge tsunami in the small, medium-sized business and enterprise that could be great. So, okay, overall quick view, quick summary. Let's end this thing now. Put a bow on the show. I think to me, John, again, you're seeing upward momentum for HP. It's not, as Dave Scott says, escape velocity, but it's momentum in the right direction. I am more positive on HP than I have been in four or five years. I think the various parts of their business are from a product portfolio standpoint in pretty good shape. And I think they can continue to increase the value of this company. I do not think as a company they will grow. I think they will continue to shrink as a company and that's okay. I think they have to shrink before they can grow, before they can start doing acquisitions, but I like where they are. I think their portfolio is stable and I'm encouraged. I think HP's image of humanization of the culture is to get back. I think you're seeing a spring in their step, you're bringing in some good mojo from the employee base. I think you're starting to see people start to realize, let's just get through with this and move forward. Let's just say that we're recovered. It's like we are speeding to the new destination, the new style of IT. I love that. I love the rhetoric around this new style of IT. It's a DevOps culture, cloud and software. It's all big data. All that's happening. Beautiful positioning. Obviously it's positioning that we love, cloud and noble social, big data. But I think they're on the right track. My summary is people are pumping. The engine's almost at full strength and now they got to start showing some results. So we'll see what goes on in Barcelona. But again, impressive. Impressive group at the cloud. Again, great people we interviewed on theCUBE. It's been fantastic. Thanks for watching. This is a close wrap up here at HP Discover. This has been theCUBE. We're attracting the signal. And those I'm John Furrier with Dave Vellante. Thanks for watching and stay tuned for more CUBE. 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The Mutual Broadcasting System in cooperation with Family Theatre Incorporated presents Heaven Is Like That starring Marguerite Chapman and John Lund. Letia Albanese is your hostess. More things are wrote by prayer that this world dreams of. It's deepest desire is for peace. It is part of our human heritage of right living. We want peace in our hearts and in our homes. We look for peace with our fellow men and among nations. That is why family prayer is so important in all homes today. Important for ourselves, for our families, for the world. Because when we gather as a family to pray, to ask God for peace in our homes, we are also asking for God's blessing on the world. Family prayer is the way to true peace everywhere. A wonderful way because it's God's way. Miss Albanese will return later in the program. Now Family Theatre presents Heaven Is Like That starring Marguerite Chapman and John Lund. The scene is London. At his flat in the smart West End district, Christopher Lane is giving a party. As they always do, Christopher's guests are enjoying themselves immensely. And as for Christopher himself... Mr. Lane, sir. Yes, Wilson? I beg your pardon, sir, but it's Dr. Rogers. Rogers? Ask him in. I took the liberty, sir, but he says he must speak to you privately. I can't do that. I have guests. He said it was most important, sir. Oh, well. Excuse me, all of you. Rogers, old man. Hello, Chris. I thought you were going to ring me up the morning after I examined you. I've got to talk to you. All right. What's the trouble? Chris, in many ways the medical profession has made great strides. In others, we've failed. There are certain diseases we've been unable to conquer. One of them is a very rare blood condition called leukemia. Yes, I've heard of it. Then you undoubtedly heard, too, that at least certain cases are incurable. Oh, yes, I think I knew that. I read it. Wait a moment. You're... you're not trying to say that... that I... That... that's just what I am trying to say, son. I don't believe it. I'm as well as you are. I would have said so, too, but it so happens that blood tests don't lie. I'm sorry, Chris, believe me. Leukemia. And there's... there's nothing to be done? Naturally, we will try treatment, but... How long? I want the truth. Well, a year at most. Possibly even less. A year at most? A drink, Dr. Rogers? No, Chris. I knew you shouldn't either, in your condition. Alcohol is most dangerous. It might even hasten... Well, why not? Here, I give you a toast. A little out of season, but still fitting. Very fitting. Dr. Rogers, I give you a happy new year. You heard me, girl. I said another brandy double. Ah, yes, sir. But begon your pardon, sir. Shouldn't you call it quits? After all, you had a good many before you came here. Give over, I'me. Let the gentleman have his drink if he wants it. All right. Here you are, sir. Thank you. God, lie me. He downs him just like Ily does. Yeah, your money. How about a cab, sir? He's like no part of London for a gentleman. Especially a nighter likes a this.  How do you like that? I likes it, I'me. I like it. That's still not clear. You say you found me on the street? About two hours ago. No one else to help you. I just couldn't leave your lie in there. So I brought you where I live. Mrs. Farney, Milan, lady, says you can stay right here in the prowler until you're feeling all right again. Now, if you'll excuse me, I got work to do in my room. I'm packing. Oh, wait. Tell me, who are you? My name's Ilyne, sir. You say you're packing. What for? Oh, I have to leave here in the morning. Unless I get a job, that is. I see. What kind of job you've been looking for? Oh, I'm in service. I was downstairs made to Mrs. Gamma for two years until she died last autumn. That's where I got this. Oh, a silver teapot. It's lovely, Ilyne. Mrs. Gamma gave it to you? Oh, heavens, no. Not her. I left it on the fire one day and one leg melted off. See? It's just taped on now. She was frightfully angry, took full payment from my wages. So now it's my personal private treasure, in a way? All I've got, that is. I should say it was a treasure. A beautiful one, Ilyne. Of course. First, I'll have to have it mended for him to make his tea, I mean. Him? Don't tell me you have a husband. Oh, not yet. But when I get one, I will, of course, someday. Oh, I'm sure you'll get the very best of all possible husbands. And now... Oh, are you going? Yes, I believe I can manage now. You've been more than kind. I'd like to show my appreciation by leaving... What is it? A minor matter, young lady, but I'll trouble you for my wallet. I don't know what you're talking about. There were 50 pounds in my wallet when I left home tonight. 50 pounds? But... Oh, Lord, that's what they were about. Who? When I was coming up to you, I saw some men beside you. Well, they disappeared into the fog. It's absurd, but I believe you. There's every reason in the world for me to think you're lying, but I know somehow that you're not. Then you know what's true. I never lie. Ilyne, will you answer me one question? I'll try. What would you do if you had only one year to live? I'd pray. And after that? I don't know. I never thought. I guess I'd try to decide just who to give the teapot to. That's really all you'd think about. But what about yourself? What about filling those last months with all the pleasure you could find? We've heard of finding happiness by going out and looking for it. But one could find it in giving things away? Of course. Ilyne, suppose instead of just a silver teapot, you had, let's say, a thousand pounds to give away. You might as well say twenty thousand. All right. I will say twenty thousand. You see, I do have just a year to live. Oh, it's not true. Oh, it's true enough. And because it's true, I'm interested in what you say.  Do you think that you could help me? You mean help you give the money away? Just that. Why do you need help? Just do it. But you know where there's real need, Ilyne. I don't. I'll wager you could think right now of a dozen people we could be of assistance to. Yes. I suppose I could. Of course you could. It would be easy. Will you do it, Ilyne? Are you sure you're sober now? Yes. Quite sober. And you're not crazy? It's hard to tell these days. And I'm not crazy. Why would you be doing it? Why? I'm not quite sure, Ilyne. Maybe it's because my year is suddenly very precious to me. I'd prefer to have it filled with happiness. I've already tried other recipes for that. They never worked. Perhaps yours will. Ilyne, you did come. Didn't I say I would? I'd begun to think you wouldn't be here. Oh, I'm sorry, my dear. I was delayed at my bank. Well, here's the first instalment. Well, take it, Ilyne. A thousand pounds? Actually, a thousand quid? And in me own hands. I suppose you've already figured how to dispose of it. Oh, yes, I have. It's 400 to Mrs. Divers. 300 for Milio. And never mind the details. I'm leaving that to you. Our brain restates. It should be done by four o'clock. Good. Then I'll meet you at my flat. Oh, I couldn't do that. No? It'd be oddly proper, sir. At your place, then? That's not much better. I see. Well, where can you suggest considering all the priorities, I mean? There's always a public park. Hyde Park, for instance, near Marble Arch. All right. Hyde Park near Marble Arch, it is. At four o'clock. Very good, sir. And look, my name is Christopher. Christopher Lane. Yes, Mr. Lane. Christopher? Yes, Mr. Christopher. You win. Goodbye, Ilyne, to four o'clock. Hello, Mr. Yes? Would you be Mr. Christopher, mind, sir? Yes, yes, I'm Christopher Lane. Well, a girl told me to give you this. Oh, thank you. Oh. I say, sir, have I been fetching all that money? And without even knowing it? Yes. £1,000. Listen, son, where was the girl when she gave this to you? At Mrs. Farney's room in House on Burberry Street. She was near to cry and, sir. A £1,000 note. Thank you, sir. Taxi, taxi here. You shouldn't have come, Mr. Christopher. I sent you back the money. Why? That's what I want to know. Ilyne, you've been crying. Suppose I have. A girl has a right to cry as she wants to. Almost certainly. But she usually has a reason as well. Do you want to tell me? Yeah. Then perhaps I can tell you, my friends wouldn't take the money you were so anxious to give them. How did you know? Mr. Christopher, I don't understand it. Mrs. Davis was all of a sudden angry when I offered it. She said whatever gave me the idea that she would take charity. But surely you didn't stop with Mrs. Davis. Oh, no. Millio's father said I must have stolen the money. Ha, ha, ha. Ilyne, you've just overlooked one thing. The pride of the very poor. It's infinitely stronger than the pride of the very rich. What can we do? People will take it up when it's offered them. Well, perhaps we can masquerade it a little, Ilyne. We can make it look like provenance. And there's no one so poor he doesn't still believe in provenance. How do you mean? Well, suppose you leave that part of it to me. Very well, Mr. Christopher.  Oh, no, sir. It'd be oddly proper with my being in service and you a gentleman. Ilyne, do you know that you're an anachronism? Oh, I hope not, sir. Is that something one gets over? In your case, I doubt it very much. But you will go through with our bargain now. I don't know. There's something else? Yes. What is it? I don't think I could stand it. Stand what?  And you're afraid you'd get attached to me? I couldn't help it. And then to see you day after day, always knowing in my heart that you were only waiting for... I just couldn't. You mean it's my dying you're afraid of? Not just the dying, but after. If we knew just what was beyond it, it might be different. But I do know. And because I know, I'm not afraid. You really know? Tell me, what's it like? Like... Eileen, when in all your life were you the happiest? In all my life. I guess it was the summer Mrs. Gammer took a country house. In Devonshire it was. Yes, I know Devonshire. Oh, do you now? Then you must know what I mean. The soft green rolling hills and the valleys in between with prim roses and daffodils in bloom. Almost like they were painted against the sky. Well, Eileen, it's very much like that. You mean after? Yes. You see, most people never realize that heaven is rarely our fondest memories recaptured. And our greatest hopes all realized. Yes. More even than we've dreamed. Heaven is like that for you too. For me too, Eileen. So surely that's no place for either of us to be afraid of, is it? Would seem foolish. Of course it would. And now let's get to work. All right. Here's a list of people I made out. Oh yes, we'll take them one at a time. Now first there's Mrs. Davis. Let me see. What would be the best antidote for her overdose of pride? Mrs. Davis, I am here to represent the firm of Lane, and it appears that a certain sum of money has been bequeathed to you. Money? Bequeathed to me? Shall I say willed? Now I wonder, could that be my cousin Melinda in New York? Poor dear soul. She was very wealthy, I heard. The details will be furnished later, Mrs. Davis. The sum is 397 pounds, nine shennings and sixpence apenay. Now if you'll please sign this receipt for our file.  And it's only right that the man of your year should retire and come quick. I know it's old furniture, Mrs. Higgins, but I'm interested in purchasing antiques. Of course, since your daughter's ill, we needn't disturb things right away. But if you'll accept payment now, what's our total now? Do you have the figure? I was just checking them. We've given out a total of 15,400 pounds. Not bad for eight months' work, isn't it, Eileen? Not bad at all, sir. It's nearly 2,000 a month, just as we planned it. I know. Oh, here, here. Why are you so depressed today? And how many times have I told you to buy a new dress? But I have, sir. Each time you've told me. Well, then each new one must look just like the old one. Each new one is just like the old one. But that's absurd. And what about your hair? You've never fixed it right. Eileen. Yes, Mr. Christopher? Don't you realize that the Lord made you beautiful because he wanted you that way? Did he, sir?   That's an order. If you have any idea of making a lady of me, you're wasting time. But you are a lady in everything that matters. I'm not. I'm a servant girl, and I know my place. Well, maybe. Maybe class distinctions aren't always as important as they used to be. They ought to be. Eileen. Listen to me. For months now, I've wanted to tell you. Mr. Christopher, we have worked to. And we'd better get back to it. All right, Eileen.  I wish I was sure myself. Dr. Rogers will see you now, Mr. Lane. Thank you. Oh, hello, Chris. Dr. Rogers, what do you know of Dr. Anton Marks? Marks? I've met him. He's just come here from Vienna. Yes, and there was a report in the paper this morning that he has a cure for leukemia, an operation. I know about that, Chris. You knew. And I decided not to tell you. Marks has a theory and nothing more. The operation he proposes has never been performed. Of course, any patient submitting to it would be serving science, I suppose, but as to his surviving the operation... Yes. What chance would he have? One in five hundred. And in my case, without the operation, how long have I? I can't be positive. You've altered things considerably by the life you're living now. If you'd gone on as you were, you wouldn't be on your feet today. You may have another six months, Chris. I see. Well, I'll take my six months and Marks can find someone else for his experiment. Well, you did wear another dress. You said I had, too. What's happening? You said you had special plans this evening. You'll see. I finished the accounts. It's all... all spent. Good, good. That means our job is done. I know. Eileen, come here. Well? Look. It's a dinner party. There are only two places. For us? Have you forgotten what night this is? What night? An anniversary, Eileen. It was a year ago tonight that you discovered me on Burberry Street. But there's another reason for tonight. I wanted to give you this. What is it? A deed, Eileen. A deed to a farm in Devonshire. Green rolling hills with flowers in the valleys that looks painted against the sky. You didn't. Why should I give to everyone else but not to the one person who taught me the real joy of giving? Oh, Mr. Christopher.  I want to ask you to... I can't. You mustn't ask me. I want you to marry me, Eileen. No, I'm not going to marry you. You're the girl I love. The girl who loves me. And if I do love you, what does it matter? Does that make us any less far apart? That makes no difference, Eileen, least of all now. But it does. It must. You're going to marry me. No, I'm not. I'm going away. Our work is done. Our agreement's ended. So I'll just say goodbye, Mr. Christopher. Eileen, Eileen, you can't have understood. I love you. Forgive me if I can't stay for the part. But... But I couldn't. Why do you have to put it into words? Oh, wait. At least let me send you home in a taxi. No. If I'm going back to my own life, I just will start right now. I'll take the underground. Goodbye. Eileen. Hey, Pa and Sir, but wouldn't you like more light in here? No. You still wouldn't care to eat? No, just leave me alone, would you? Here's a special announcement from the BBC. A serious accident occurred in the London Underground less than an hour ago. An unknown number of persons are dead and scores injured in the crash near Burberry Street Station. Burberry Street? What's wrong? And we hope within they are... And we've done everything possible, Mr. Lane. But with a spinal fracture... Well... and there's no hope at all. I'm sorry. May I go in now? Certainly. Mr. Christopher. No, I really have spoiled the anniversary. I haven't died. Are you... Are you all right? I'm all right. I hope I didn't cause you too much worry. But I do. I ran to catch that train. Eileen. Yes? Surely it doesn't matter now. The gentleman and the serving girl? That couldn't make a difference at a time like this. I don't suppose it could. I do love you, Eileen. So much. I love you. There must be a clergyman in the hospital. All right. I'd be happy to marry you, Chris. And whom God had joined together let no man put us under. Thank you. Eileen. About the teapot. You'd better give it to some girl who's not married. I will. And have it mended so she can make tea for her man when she finds him. I'll have it mended. Christopher. Yes? Would you tell me once again? Tell you? What it's like after heaven is really our fondest memories recapturing our greatest hopes all realized yes and more because I hath not seen nor ear heard nor hath it entered into the heart of man what things God has prepared for those who love him and there's nothing to be afraid of because Eileen. Eileen. Chris, it's still not too late for you to change your mind. I'm not going to, Rodgers. Don't do it. I beg you. Forget that you ever heard of this operation. But I did hear of it. And I'm glad. All right. I'm ready. Very well. We'll take him into surgery, nurse. Oh, Rodgers. This little session. What did you say they were? One in five hundred. I wish it were one in a thousand. John Lund and Marguerite Chapman have starred in tonight's family theater presentation. Heaven is like that. Now here is your hostess, Letia Albanese. There is a joy here and now in the knowledge that we shall meet those we love hereafter. It's a special joy we as parents have in this knowledge for we have the happiness of knowing that we are making sincerest efforts to bring up our children to be God-respecting. God-loving citizens for here and hereafter. You'll never know what peace and happiness and understanding can be in your home or as a family because a family that prays together stays together. This is Letia Albanese saying goodbye and God bless you. Before saying good night we wish to thank Marguerite Chapman and John Lund for their splendid performances. Our thanks to True Borden for writing tonight's play and a maxed hair for his music. This production of family theater incorporated was directed by David Young. Tonight's play were Dick Ryan, Eric Snowden, Julie Bennett, Buddy Gray, Lester Jay and Maudie Prickett. Next week our family theater stars will be Fibre McGee and Molly in Advice to the Lovelorn with Don DeFore as host. This series of the family theater broadcast is made possible by the thousands of you who felt the need for this kind of program by the Mutual Broadcasting System which has responded to this need and by a friend of the New York Foundling Hospital in the United States without distinction of race, creed or color. Join us next week at the same time when our family theater stars will be Maryam and Jim Jordan better known as Fibre McGee and Molly Don DeFore will be your host Tony LaFranco speaking. This is the Mutual Broadcasting System.