We should have been able to start that thing. We should have been able to sustain it.  Yes, we laid out. We're doing as we called it. 240. 240. No one? 240! Stand up. Try five. Where's our? Beb, where I went back. Beb, where I went here, sir? We turned it when yesterday came through. One end better? All right, sir. I got you to touch it before we stepped off. All right. Haste it back. Haste it back instead of this one. What? What's so sorry? They brought it last night and it was on the charger, so I was like, okay, one bar less, maybe like a couple of hours. To our south? Off the team. To the party. You need to go up. You need to go forward. I will see you up. Come on, bro. On me. Drop rocks. Drop rocks. Hey, right there. Right there. I need to lift it. Don't worry about it. Go down. Go down. You hit it? All right. How much are you got? Five rounds. Water. Move it. Just to follow through that objective. Let's go. We got about 10 minutes. You got to be quick. Get ready because you guys are getting picked up first. All right, Cox. I'm going to get back.  You guys are going back. Your problem? Your problem. No, let's go straight ahead. All right, following up. Rock's over there. Let's go.   Get your rock. And we can solid any on that last hit. All right, where are we moving to? Solidation. Hey, we're flanking the left, but if you have the gun on the left, then he knows that you're flanking the left. That's really good, right here. It's the first time I hear that, and it's a good SOP to follow. It's really all they're looking for. But as far as that, as far as, like, the pollution quality is, like, deadly taken.


How to keep glue off your clamps? Well, I would work here's Paul Carlson here a small workshop guy while back I posted a video on using a propane torch to clean off your clamps. I also Posted some related videos where people were recommending a solvent and they were recommending using a wire brush And another choice was they were talking about using a white vinegar to soak it Well, I decided to do some more experimenting a number of people commented on a post that I did that The best thing to do is prevention and I think that's correct. I put you know metal car wax on Half of my clamp and I left the other half without anything on it And then I poured a tight bond to glue onto it after I let it set up for a day I came back and thought hey if it would be the easiest thing I just like to take it off with a putty knife But I found out it came off even better with an old junk chisel that I keep a fairly sharp point on and so Wax with a chisel Looked to me like it took care of the problem on the half that I did not wax the The chisel and the putty knife Worked okay to get off the top globs, but glue was left in the little threads And and on the other side The chisel seemed to take everything off including what was in the little threads I then used a wire brush on the part that had not been waxed and I didn't find that that cleaned up what had gotten down into the little grooves So the bottom line after experimenting with it and what I'm going to do in the future is I'm going to wax the heck out of my clamps. I'm going to use wax paper where I can for protection and Then I'm going to use an old chisel or a sharp chisel not necessarily old To scrape off any excess glue afterwards. I don't think I need the wire brush I don't think I need the propane torch Those would be things of last resort. That's my update small workshop guy signing off


I remember this woman came out. She was just talking, bro. But like she talked to Mothra, all this craziness, bro. The psycholation. Yeah. And I was trippin' off there, bro. I'm like, you know, I was trippin' till I called her. You called her? Yeah, yeah.  Oh, no, I ain't, I don't know, matter, but look.  So like, I really was in the days for like a year, like, just like, I don't know. It was just weird. So I was just chasin'. Yeah, we on Boss Talk 101. Yeah, yeah. And I could see that. I just had to ask you that because I knew already that's what I would've done. Yeah.  Like I wouldn't have been, no, you know how I am now. I don't wanna see none of that. I was, I was, you know. Because I really lived in my own world. I was growlin' and doin' my thing, but I wouldn't, like, tap them when I'm out and I wasn't talkin' to them. Never done entertainment or nothin'. I remember this woman came out. She was just talkin', bro. Like she talked to Mothra. All this craziness, bro. The psycholation. Yeah. And I was trippin' off that bruh. I was trippin' too. I called her. You called her? Yeah, yeah.  I don't know. I ain't, I don't even matter.  So like, I really was in the days for like, you're like, just like, I don't know. It was just weird.  Like what you, you talkin' to him? What he's just sayin' right now? No, because you have a lot of psychic stuff. I see Ray want to cause some people out there. They know that stuff. Yeah, no. I'm not playin' with you. You gotta realize she's Jamaican, so they different over in Jamaica. You Jamaican for real? That's my wife Jamaican. So yeah, man, you hearin' with her. She, you know, they take like 30 days to bury somebody over there. Yeah, you don't play like that. It's different. There's a lot of different stuff to it. Man, I really worry a lot about that. I'm bad, but I don't, I'm gonna be honest with you. Being a guy who believes in God, I believe God's power is way more powerful than any of that. I see, I be tellin' my momma and them that if you believe in God, you gotta believe in everything. I believe in everything to go, but the Bible- The Bible talk about all that. Man, you don't want to go there with me. Man, we gonna do that. From Jeniz, you better tell him. Godspeed. From Jeniz is the revelation. Let me tell you something. Let me be real with you. The power of God is more powerful than anything else that's in there that under-seeds it so it don't matter. So if you believe in God, do you believe in the devil? I do, but I believe I got power over the devil. I don't know how I did the devil, but come the devil, he'll follow that. It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter, but it has no power over me. It can matter, but it has no power over me. So it don't matter, cause I'm more powerful. So it's hard for you to come up against me with anything that's beneath me, cause I'm over it. Great is he that's in me, than he that's in the world. So I don't have to worry about that. You right, but you- And don't I teach that way? It's a war, it's really a war. Like it's been- But you mean who? The devil and God, like- But God already won. So you gotta know that part. And I think- I'm gonna say this. I'm gonna say this. Most elementary school- It doesn't matter. Death don't have to necessarily be a bad thing. Death is the only bad because people get to- That's the devil. Did you hear what I just said? The death, the death thing is just people basically saying, oh, we hurt, we selfish, cause we want that person here. But death, we don't know the other side of death. So if we don't know the other side of it, we send back doing things to just try to compensate for our, man, I miss that person. Our flesh. Right.  Oh, that's all that on me, I'll be trying to do it. But I'm powerful, so I gotta get money. When I'm trying to get money, I cannot think about, no, somebody can do this. You can't do nothing to me.  Let me say this. Let me say this. He's mental. I said, you better not try that guy. Don't play bad. No, but- See, you say the same thing. But how I look on life and that, you know, the thing is that the devil, he roams this earth, trying to see who he can devour. We all succumb to the devil at one point in time. Because we only human beings. Ain't nobody exempt. But at the same time, everything that happens happens for a reason. That's how I live my life.  And I said, okay, but that child got killed, made the mama change her life. The mama was on drugs and this and that, whatever. You know what I mean? You don't know who changed their life because of him. More past and rest in peace. But how many people probably changed their life because of what they saw him? You see what I mean? That's why I get pause.   Yeah, we on Boss Talk 101.


Coming up on DTNS, Amazon might buy a movie studio why Apple thinks gaming is in fact different than Netflix and all the announcements from Google I.O. from Android 12's new soft bubbly look to the unification of Wear OS and Tizen. This is the Daily Tech News for Tuesday, May 18th, 2021 in Los Angeles. I'm Tom Merritt. And from Studio Redwood, I'm Sarah Lane. I'm the show's producer Roger Chang. And joining us, CTO at Skidmore Owings and Merrill also venture partner at Spark Labs Global. Rob DeMillo, welcome back. Hello, thank you for having me back. We were just talking about how much school has changed since Rob and I were young. And also some of our impressions on Google I.O. and the presentation itself, you know, Google's attitude towards it. If you want that wider conversation, get good day internet. Become a member at patreon.com slash DTNS. Let's start with a few tech things you should know. Foxconn and the carmaker Stellantis signed a non-binding memorandum of understanding to form Mobile Drive, a joint venture to supply in-car and connected car technologies. Mobile Drive will supply infotainment, telematics and cloud services software and hardware to Stellantis and other interested automakers. On Monday, a Palestinian user in the U.S. named Rami said that a $50 Venmo payment he received labeled emergency Palestinian relief fund had been flagged as under review and unavailable until it could be examined by Venmo's compliance team. Venmo then followed up asking the purpose of the transferred money. Rami told restofworld.org that he was collecting money from friends for the Palestinian Children's Relief Fund. Rest of World noted that transactions with keywords like free Palestine, free Palestinian, Palestinian emergency and Palestinian fund all completed with no problems. A Venmo spokesperson said the issue was OFAC related. The U.S. Department of Treasury's Office of Foreign Assets Control maintains a list of people and organizations impacted by U.S. sanctions. Bloomberg's Mark German sources say that Apple will release a redesigned MacBook Pro as early as the summer in 14 and 16 inch models featuring an Apple Silicon system on a chip with eight high performance cores and two efficiency cores in either 16 or 32 graphics core variations with support for up to 64 gigs of memory. Apple's also reportedly working on a new Mac mini featuring the same chip and a Mac Pro desktop set for 2022 with a choice of 20 or 40 computing core variations with up to 128 graphics cores. The New York Times obtained documents that it says show Apple moved iCloud data of Chinese users including their encryption keys from servers outside China to a network of servers from state owned Operation GCBD. Apple denies the report says it has control of the encryption keys. Apple says the documents are outdated. It uses the latest protections and it keeps third parties disconnected from its networks. Chinese government also made a statement that it quote strictly adheres to principles of data security protection and prohibits and cracks down on relevant illegal activities in accordance with the law. Logitech launched a $1,200 whiteboard camera called Scribe which uses AI enhanced software to make a presenter transparent so viewers of remote presentations can see the whiteboard. Scribe currently only supports zoom room but support for Microsoft Teams will arrive later this year. Now we have been talking earlier this week about how sometime mid next year Warner Media and Discovery are going to merge and form an independent company outside of AT&T but another shoe in that consolidation trend has dropped. The information sources say Amazon is in talks to acquire MGM the movie studio movie and TV studio MGM variety reports the deal could be worth about nine billion dollars and variety sources said back in December that MGM was looking for a buyer and senior VP of Amazon Studios Mike Hopkins is reportedly negotiating directly with MGM board chairman Kevin Ulrich on the deal. MGM is an independent company it stands alone so right now everybody who is smaller and stands alone is looking to team up with someone else Discovery with Warner Media CBS and Viacom teaming up and it looks like Amazon might be running a movie studio soon. Well MGM is you know indicated it would like to be bought back back in December we knew you know this probably was going to be a deal with with some entity Amazon buying MGM obviously MGM has some pretty attractive movie franchises a lot of you know television programming I guess I it also makes Amazon Prime or some version of Amazon Prime that would be bundled into an MGM offering like this should this deal pan out could you know could be another revenue stream for Amazon but you know it's it seems inevitable right that Amazon is going to buy a studio whether it's MGM or another or both. Yeah Amazon has Amazon Studios which you know we nimble collective we sold out to Amazon they use some of the software that we wrote for some of their animation and special effects so they have Amazon Studios already which is producing a lot of television shows so it makes sense they're in the market for kind of a larger professional studio. MGM has been like shopping itself around though I think for like a decade it's been a while and so it's interesting that they they they held out until the streaming world and now they're now they're grabbed into by Amazon. Yeah it makes and I was reading I think it was ampere analysis about how legacy media can win by mining the programming they either already have or can make based on the IP they own but you have to have the ability to make your streaming service the way that peacock is for NBC for example MGM has tried that they've tried that with Stargate they've tried that with a couple other properties and I don't think it has gone so well for them so I think they see that partnering up with somebody whether it's somebody as big as Amazon or somebody else is the way to go Amazon apparently is the one willing to shell out the $9 billion so yeah they never had a distribution channel before so yeah yeah there was a disturbing story here of course about all the consolidation of of content providers until you're actually anything that you're watching is only coming from about five or six different places. Everybody's complaining about having too many streaming services well pretty soon you won't they'll all come from from three companies. Yeah just like the old days. Apple's Phil Schiller testified in the epic versus Apple case on Monday explaining why Apple keeps streaming services like Stadia out of the App Store. Schiller says it's because for each game offered through the App Store Apple wants to provide an age rating parental controls a product page privacy policies stuff like that Schiller says that games are different than Netflix because Netflix has one sign in and one privacy policy that covers all of its video content but with games even after signing into Stadia players often sign into individual games to track progress play with friends Schiller said it's something that requires you to do much more than just play video Schiller added quote the App Store is not a movie store it isn't about movies it's an apps and games store so when you bring in games in a different way that no longer works as designed in the game store. It's a very Apple response isn't it to be like look we designed it this way this is the way it works I actually get the logic behind what Schiller is saying I'm not sure if I was running it I would apply it exactly that way I think you need to create a new category for things like Luna and Stadia and Project X cloud but if you're not going to adapt to that reality somehow and you're like nope this is the way it's set up that I guess that makes a sort of sense. Well it's a good way to lose control of your ecosystem right if you if you put your stake in the ground there you know the reality is they're just trying to keep their 30 percent that's what this is all coming from. You know I don't think you're wrong but I don't think that's all I think because it's Apple I think there's also like well sure we want to keep our 30 percent but also these are the rules we created right and we follow our rules they're kind of dogmatic that way yeah they're falling back on that but think of the children like you know that they that they always have in the past and what's going to wind up happening is what Epic is doing and it took a company like Epic to kind of bring this to the face of Apple in the face of Google. Google had an interesting response like they look like they are and I'm not sure if they're connected or not I'm sure that they are but they're dropping their App Store royalty fee to 15 percent for the first million dollars earned and that that came out around the same time Epic started making a lot of noise about this so yeah I'm very curious what the fate of the Google Epic court case will be I would not be shocked to see that settled out of court after the Apple Apple Epic case is kind of known we're going to see appeals of the Apple Epic case but but once they know like okay here's the here's the parameters in which we can play on an appeal I think then they'll be able to go to Google and say all right fine let's let's figure this out yeah well folks sometimes you don't have all the time in the world that's why we provide just the headlines check out our related show Daily Tech headlines all the essential tech news in about five minutes at DailyTechHeadlines.com Google I.O. kicked off with an in-person live stream they didn't have developers attending yet but they did have Google employees in attendance socially distance while the actual Google executives including Sundar Pichai came out and spoke on a live stream not a pre-produced announcement the main thing that came out of Google I.O. as everyone expected was Android 12 and the main thing about Android 12 is it's very pastel and bubbly now thanks to the new material you design it offers customization you can choose your color palette now it does need things like adapt to your widgets so they slide around and and the color adapts you can have it reset your color palette to match a background photo so that everything looks nice when it's over the background there's nifty dynamic lighting on the lock screen that kind of follows your finger it can adapt in other ways too the clock gets bigger if there are no notifications for instance on the more mundane side Google pay home mic and camera settings are all in quick controls now so you can go up and quick control turn off your mic turn off your video for everything privacy dashboard now gives you more info on what data is being captured by which apps and things like now playing and smart reply run inside the private compute core so that ai is walled off from the rest of the os and audio and language processing happens on device nothing going in the cloud finally there's an android tv remote built into the operating system now i know android tv fans are are very excited about that and android auto now supports more wireless connections to phones and digital car key supports you can use your phone like a key more easily android 12 beta is available right now if you can run it on a pixel a one plus or a xiaomi phone rob how you feel about android 12 it looks kind of cool i mean it's it's almost a reorganization release more than anything else android 11 had a lot more uh tech involved in it that that elevated it higher 12 seems to be you know finally a realization of the material design stuff they've been preaching for the last five or six years so that that's really great to see it's very pretty i like that i like the you you you almost could tell you could almost bet money that once they released chromecast or what do they call it google tv with chromecast tv yeah yeah that the next thing was going to be to incorporate it into the os on the phone which is what they did so that's that's very fun to see the the keyless entry to cars though that requires a lot of partnerships i think they've just got bmw is the only one that's holding to that right now they showed a bunch of logos but they only said bmw by name so i think there may be more in the works or they were combining the wireless android auto with the key thing to be like we've got partnerships with companies but yeah so far so far you're right just bmw yeah that's nice i advancements like this are always welcome so i mean the pastel thing is true you mentioned pastel i mean it's it's you know i don't know easter colors whatever but that aside just the customization it looks really nice and i know some people are like eh what do i care if you know my widgets are yellow rather than lime green or something and some people don't but i mean it there's just it's just one more level of not just customization on the user's part but a unification so that everything just looks a little bit less of an app mass which we are used to on lots of different mobile os's so yeah i mean i i was really impressed i'm glad they didn't um jettison widgets i was a little concerned as we kept advancing through the os releases that widgets were getting devalued i i still use them a lot i love having them on the on the phone and so it's nice to see that they've been incorporated in this design pastel or no pastel yeah and and uh works with any app that's the yeah any developer can can work with this now too so it's you're not going to have that jarring situation well you don't have to have that jarring situation where your your app design is like yeah we we we don't adapt uh to your color palette sorry that you can do that you can have them blend right on in probably the biggest news quote unquote news of io is that samsung and google have unified where os and tyson it looks to me from the outside here that most of the tyson unification here is under the hood and it still looks like where os and it's still called where os but it does mean that google play is coming to the samsung galaxy watch the next versions will be where os powered watches and samsung welcomed developers uh encouraged its tyson developers to develop on google play also fitness features from fitbit coming to where os i don't think that's a big shocker and fitbit devices in the future will run where os so trying to bring some of the best of that fitbit fitness area into where os makes sense too yeah the yeah it is a little bit of a shocker because it took google as as a company when they buy another larger entity that has a competing product it does take them a while i mean i weighs in google maps for instance it they're just now starting to like touch code bases together and you can see features from one bleeding over to the other so for uh the fitbit io the fitbit os to get incorporated into where os i think is kind of a big deal well to be fair uh i i believe park the co-founder of fitbit said we're bringing features over not we've brought features over so we'll see we'll see how fair enough yeah that's fair enough that the tyson thing is surprising because that that was samsung going yeah no we're we're we're gonna go do our own thing we don't really care about where os and this is them throwing in the towel i'm thinking is what it sounds like yeah i'm you know i think the idea was on a watch the app ecosystem may not be as determinative as long as you've got some of the majors uh because people don't you know install apps as widely on a watch but uh i think they really the the tone that i got from this announcement is that samsung really wants more developers working on its watch basis and this was the way to do it it is interesting to see google allow it to be a collaboration allow it to be we're teaming up not just like yeah samsung if you want to switch to wear os great otherwise forget it like they google moved a little towards samsung on this somebody who has a fitbit smartwatch i have the versa two and i'm very invested in the fitbit ecosystem i pay for fitbit premium the whole thing uh you know because of that i you know i look the other way on how lacking my versa two is in a lot of other things to be able to have uh any number of wear os devices that can handle all of the fitbit stats and data that i'm already uh that i already care about but also just be a better smart smartwatch in general super attractive to the fitbit folks are you uh sarah i forgot are you uh iphone ecosystem i am so yeah which is why why the fitbit versa two is right it's only so useful yeah it's only so useful but uh but no i i'm i'm excited about this cool very cool uh google was also showing a lot of its engineering prowess off uh announcing new tensor processing units the tpu v4 for ai uses a new quantum ai campus to develop stable cubits for quantum computing uh they they even did the let's have a celebrity join us uh and michael pania uh was there because he's in ant-man i guess which involves quantum stuff anyway uh it was kind of fun i guess uh they also talked about lambda lamda an open domain language model that learns concepts from training data for more conversational natural responses a little more context awareness uh showed a discussion with pluto the planet as an example of how lambda is implemented where where pluto can kind of know what you mean rather than being very literal about what you're saying also had a conversation with a paper airplane which was a little more metaphysical uh but still showed off lambda skills uh and showed off project starline which is a big concept thing it actually reminded me of when sisco was doing those big installations for video conferencing except this is 3d and uses holography uh cameras and depth sensors make a high res holographic capture of you in real time this is streaming video compresses it a hundred times sends it over the internet and at the other end a light field display is used to create the hologram of who you are talking to this is meant right now for health enterprise maybe some media uses very enterprise level stuff but certainly in the video looked impressive and they had a lot of people that they had brought into try it who were raving about it but this is this is that kind of thing where google has moved out of being like here's the next consumer product to here's the research we're doing and what it can do yeah it's also a good way to rescue princess leah yeah when they get it smaller and can put it in a droid it's going to be amazing but i i mean i i definitely want to go try uh this at some point to see just how how well it works but the idea is that you can actually make eye contact it will adapt to your position so that it looks like a person is sitting there and it doesn't like kind of flicker out when you move around to the side and and the lambda stuff a little more whimsical with the demonstrations but again showing off uh you know the prowess they have with deep mind and and ai and and everything else yeah i think but both are really really impressive i mean the the machine learning stuff in lambda i'm fascinated with back when i was in ad tech you know we would work with with um lexical translations and and having uh uh you know these these trees that would remember phrases but this is this is light years beyond that yeah yeah very cool yeah being able to tell what you mean that's a big deal folksonomies and taxonomies and yeah this is this is one level beyond all of that one of the things i was getting a little hung up with project starline was okay i understand the lifelike 3d quality of it but how many situations and i'm sure some are obvious but how many situations would that be so much more useful than someone on a nice big monitor in a video we're struggling so we're in the situation now where we all went home for a year right because we all got the flu we all went home uh and now we're uh planning our course back to the various offices and we have 11 offices there from wide and we're struggling right now with each of those offices understanding how a hybrid environment would work um and you know zoom calls and skype calls and all that stuff are great when everyone has a laptop in front of them or you know set up a rig like this where it's just you know there's sara there's tom there's rob and you're all on the screen and talking but the second that breaks into half of you are in a conference room and there's a camera in the corner of the conference room and maybe there's a mic on the table or maybe there's you know you're in this like weird audio vacuum and video vacuum it does change the dynamics of the meeting very very quickly and so if you had a situation where you could holographically project somebody into a conference room regardless of where they were i think it would make a difference yeah as long as it was playing field being leveled somehow yeah somehow somehow reduces some of those zoom fatigue factors that are caused by the fact that you're not really there and you're you feel like you have to pay more attention right if if everybody feels like they're actually there then you go back to like all right i don't have to constantly be looking at somebody but this is this is also not ready for your house yet which is why i think they mentioned media and health because health i can go do some some virtual like i could consult a specialist who's halfway around the world and he'd be able to see you know she'd be able to see me in 3d which which helps the diagnostic process obviously media you know you can bring in a guest and it looks like they're sitting there on the set with you that kind of stuff on the consumer product front search is testing a multitask unified model or mum that can be more context sensitive like you could show it a picture of your boots and say here these good to hike mount fuji this is it's again more of that contextual understanding it would know how to answer and even be able to translate some japanese resources for you so this is something that will come to some queries in search at some point they're testing it right now google maps is getting some more practical things for your everyday use virtual street signs key landmarks indoor augmented reality of directions in fact indoor train station directions are rolling out to this week tokyo next month google shop is incorporating google lens so you can find a product by picture take a picture of a of a chair and and be able to search for it easily that way even a screenshot any merchant can now list on google shop for free they're partnering with Shopify to bring in 1.7 million merchants google photos added a lot of controls from looking for innovative patterns to create new memory collections to giving you the ability to hide people or time periods from your memories if you don't want them and you can lock a folder in photos to keep it out of shared albums finally a dermatology assistance tool is coming to search for you to find more than 288 skin conditions and answer 90 percent of the most common searches how did that work you take a photo of your you just described it but yes you could also take a photo that you take a photo at from three different angles and it will be able to give you a better result based on that that's interesting yeah otherwise you know i end up on real self dot com and it always leads to cancer yeah yeah you have cancer dot com yeah yeah i i i love the idea the mount fuji example with the hiking boots is a great one because it's like really just changing the nature of okay what how many query options do i have how do i want to approach this question because right now i might say what's the best hiking boot for treacherous terrain like mount fuji or something like that and then you start you get into a rabbit hole and you're on brand websites and you're buying shoes and you know it's it can get out of control quickly but if you have something a lot more specific this is a great way to to keep that that query a lot more focused well it's also i mean this technology plus lambda um which is why i'm actually more interested about lambda than i am what the holographic research it it's providing an interface into not just a computer but a larger computer enterprise a larger organization that's more conversational you would you would interact with google as a search engine the way you would interact with any of us as a search engine or a resource you know and it's like yeah do these are these boots good for my hike up mount fuji and what else should i wear and what are the restaurants nearby you can have a you can have a conversation as opposed to understanding how you have to structure your search yeah yeah google fu goes away and you know like you shouldn't need to be good at search you should just be able to ask your question right that's right a few other notable announcements obviously google really emphasizing security by default privacy by design over and over again smart canvas for improved project management coming to workspace uh customizations coming to google meet for everyone not just workspace users duplex type technology incorporated to help you change your password uh if it notes uh you know that your password has been in a breach it'll guide you over to changing your password in the google password manager can also import uh from other password managers if you want to easily move in uh bring your passwords easily across devices there's some easier ways to delete the last thing you searched for if you're like i don't want this showing up in my customizations you can you can now just immediately delete that search and also delete your history now from the top level of settings a little faster to get to and they're improving computational photography algorithms to take better pictures of people in color people of color rather uh so that that you don't have the darker pictures for darker skin tones uh and they talked a lot about sustainability uh and trying to reach a goal of being 24 7 carbon free in all their data centers and offices by 2030 that's wonderful yeah that that last one is is important for everybody the 2030 initiative is a big deal at som right now obviously uh it as it is everywhere so it's great to see google hop on board with them all right there you go folks google i l let us know what you thought feedback at daily tech news show dot com well if you're an engineering student you might want to listen to this one the w l k a t a or w 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at our stage we have a we will follow up on what to expect when our world gets hotter and hotter and I want you all to welcome Hanno a big applause please yeah Hanno will talk about climate breakdown the reality is bleak and without further ado please enjoy the talk and I hand over to Hanno hello yeah I I wanted to start with a bit of motivation because like you may have seen me before talking on CCC events and it's usually either about AC security or about general issues with science so you may wonder why I see now talking about climate change and I actually was kind of a climate activist for a long time and I also wrote for some time for a climate for a news publication which was specifically on climate change but I kind of dropped out of the topic which was due to frustration due to other things kind of worked better for me but then there came 2018 and several things happened like I mean you all know we had an extremely dry summer then I noticed suddenly the Hamba forest was in the news every day which is like there's a protest camp from people who want to stop the coal mine and like it's been there for I think five years already at that point but then suddenly it was mainstream news like nobody had like basically there was not much attention for it before and now it yeah and then of course Krita Thunberg started her school strike and there was the Fridays for Future movement and there were new groups like Extinction Rebellion I actually went to a talk from Extinction Rebellion in spring which was very extreme and very emotional and very impressive and so and yeah like a mixture of these things made me think yeah what's my role in this like it it brought the topic back on the table and yeah one thing I did is I submitted this talk here yeah so where are we so this is a graph of well CO2 emissions as you can see it's usually growing it goes till 2017 it grew in more in 2018 you can also see like there's this point in time like for a short time the world really started to get serious to do something about it well or no I mean that was the economic crisis so it wasn't really intentional to but that was kind of the economic crisis was the only point there where you can really see that there was a bit of a drop in emissions but otherwise emissions just go up we have now roughly one degree warming and increasingly we can see the effects we had a big heatwave in India in May and June what you see on the left is like this is a water reservoir how it's usually and on the right it's all dried out I think it's not so good to see but like on the screen it looks very extreme of course we had another heatwave in Europe we had in Germany we had the highest temperatures ever measured and it was beyond 42 degrees and like historically usually the temperatures in Germany never were beyond 40 degrees we have wildfires in the Arctic which like which were at a scale that has not been seen before since this is measured or observed we have melting in Greenland which is much faster than what the science predicted in the past yeah so what is politics doing about this in 2015 there was the Paris Agreement and like many people cheered the environmentalists were happy now the world is finally doing something about it and so this was kind of a worldwide agreement which was the result of a very long process of climate conferences what does the Paris Agreement say basically says all nations agree to at least three degrees of more global heating that may not be what you heard about it but I would say that this is more accurate than what you probably heard about it so where's that discrepancy so what this agreement actually says is nations agreed to limit the global warming to well below two degrees Celsius and also it says that the nations agreed to pursuing efforts to limit the temperature increase to 1.5 degrees but there's a problem with this and this is they just declare that they want to do this but they don't have a plan how to do it so this Paris Agreement they have something which is called nationally determined contributions the idea is basically the nations that come together they say okay we volunteer to reduce our emissions by that amount we do this to counter climate change and if you add that up there have been multiple studies you end up with something like three degrees there are also some studies that said more 3.4 degrees so we have like a big gap here where the nation say okay we want to limit it by at least two degrees or even less but in reality what they agreed upon will lead us to three degrees or more that is if they commit to these these voluntary agreements which unfortunately they usually don't like I mean if you're from Germany you probably know Germany has climate goals which by now it's already clear for 2020 these goals will be breached by a large amount and I mean that was part of these agreed contributions to do something about this so I thought I make this a bit in a table because these degree numbers they often come up and to get a bit of an idea like that's always when we talk about this these degrees of warming it's always like compared to what was before we had interest realization so right now we're around one degree in the talk before you heard one point one that's minor details it's around one degree the ambitious goal of the Paris Agreement is one point five degree the kind of minimum goal is two degree what they actually agreed upon is probably three degrees and if you take the current policy it's three to four or maybe even more of course there's things in politics that are kind of inverse we know we have a US president who doesn't believe in global warming he often has a very insightful contributions on Twitter like here record low temperatures and massive amounts of snow where the hell is global warming also this is a quote from the deputy prime minister of Australia they had a meeting with people from from small island states that are very much threatened by sea level rise so many of these island states will disappear in the future and he said yeah I also get a little bit annoyed when we have people in those sort of countries pointing the finger at Australia and say we should be shutting down all our resource sector so that you know they will continue to survive like how dare they want to survive but there's also positive things like Canada agreed to declare a climate emergency on the 17th of June well sounds good right what does that mean so on the 18th of June one day later Canada approved the trans mountain oil pipeline the picture you're seeing here is oil mining not sure if you knew that this is actually a thing but there's something it's called tar sands which is kind of oil in non liquid form and with the very energy intensive process you can turn it into liquid oil which is Canada is doing a lot and they kind of have a problem that they cannot transport enough away to make it economically viable so that's why they want to build this pipeline and this pipeline has kind of a long story there was originally a company who wanted to build it but then the company stepped down and now the government wants to build it itself so that's how climate emergency looks in Canada I I mean there are currently a lot of initiatives for example in Berlin where people want cities to declare a climate emergency I hope that's not there how they want to go about this these are of course some extremes but keep in mind that like even countries that commit to more ambitious goals for example Germany usually you can sum it up that almost nothing meaningful happens like certainly nothing happens that would be in line with limiting climate change to a level that is somehow acceptable so what does the science tell us so in climate science the IPCC which is a worldwide network of scientists and they are kind of the mainstream of climate science they summarize other results from climate science and they write reports every few years there's a general report the last was 2014 and then there are occasionally special reports on specific topics and one of these more recent reports was the special report on 1.5 degree that was after the Paris agreement and the question they asked in this report is basically what's the difference between 1.5 degree warming and 2 degree warming and yeah and the report had two major messages one was there is a substantial difference so it's not just a number that's nice they are really massive differences in the outcomes and also the other message was like 1.5 degree that is still doable under somewhat optimistic assumptions if the world immediately starts to transform to a low carbon economy we're just not working out so well so what did they say for example here's a very nice picture of a coral reef some of them look like this and in the future probably all of them will look like this so the estimate was that if we have 1.5 degree warming then 70 to 90 percent of coral reefs will die and if we have 2 degree warming then 99 percent so basically all of them will die then there were estimates on whether we will have an ice free Arctic in the summer and the estimate was that with 1.5 degree this will happen in 10 percent of all years and with two degrees this will happen every summer we will have a bit more sea level rise there will also be many more people affected by extreme heatwaves and these other things like where you can I mean when there's sea level rise then people have to relocate so you will have refugees when there are heatwaves at some point people just cannot live somewhere anymore so these are the things that have a lot of potential for conflicts for migration movements these are the things that will make it really hard to keep up working civilization and remember that right now we're on track to 2 to 4 degrees which is much more plausible than having 2 degree or 1.5 degree and they also had a rough estimate what would be needed for 1.5 degree that would mean that the world would have to reduce the emissions by about 50 percent to 2030 in the report it says 45 percent but based on 2010 I'm not entirely sure why they made this very specific year but that would be roughly 50 percent from now and the world needs to be carbon neutral by 2050 which means no more carbon emissions or if there are carbon emissions we would have to compensate with other things but there's also a question is like is the IPCC really telling us the full story here and the following I'm going to say I really don't want to get this as a criticism of the IPCC because like these are scientists that work under enormous pressure like if you know like you're it's a committee that like politics has told them yeah we want to know the science and then the politicians tell them yeah but we don't believe in that right I mean stupid scientists so I think they work on the very difficult conditions and it's very understandable why these things happen that but a lot of scientists are worried that the IPCC is really much too conservative in its predictions and so for example you can see graphs like this where this the black line here is the estimate from the IPCC report from 2007 on Arctic sea level ice and the blue range is what they assume that's probably the the margin of error so we believe it will be inside this blue area and the red line is what actually happened and this was already outdated at the point where they published it which is kind of another problem like these IPCC reports are often based on science that's already maybe five years old when it gets into the IPCC report and to enhance this a bit I have added two more dots like 2012 was until now the lowest point of Arctic sea level ice in 2018 which is the last measure we have because 2019 hasn't isn't finished yet and in 2013 there was a study where they they looked at at various of these issues and previous studies that had compared that had looked at historic predictions from the IPCC and they came to the conclusion that available evidence suggests that scientists have in fact been conservative in their projections of the impact of climate change we suggest therefore that scientists are by its not towards alarm alarmism but rather the reverse towards caution is estimates where we define caution is airing on the side of less rather than more alarming predictions so what they're saying here is yeah so there's definitely a tendency that the scientists tend to make it sound less dramatic than it really is if you want to know more about this in detail there's this little booklet and you can download it for free online which explains many of these issues where where the IPCC has underpredicted things and why this happened and like they also quote a lot of scientists who are working within the IPCC but who are kind of frustrated that they see that their results are not fully represented there that's worth a read there's also this thing that like climate scientists are telling us that we need to act fast and then we kind of can still make it but they've been saying similar things for a long time like you could hear very similar messages 10 years ago 15 years ago that we need to act really fast and then we can still keep it below two degrees or so what's going on here the science didn't get more optimistic so quite the contrary so how's that possible and one explanation here is so-called negative emissions so by now all the scenarios from the IPCC that limit warming to two degrees to 1.5 degrees and most that limited to two degrees assume that we will have negative emissions in the future where we get the carbon dioxide out of the air and do something with it how can we get negative emissions one way is to plant trees which is good we should do that but like there was a study in the news two or three weeks ago where they had very optimistic prediction on what we could reach with trees and it was kind of painted as yeah this is the easy way out we can continue like we do we can fly and drive our cars and plant a few trees and everything's fine the study they had a major flaw in not in the study itself but in the way they presented it in a press release where they kind of estimated twice as much potential as there really was in the study and yeah so but in general like planting trees is good but it has limits like trees need space we don't have unlimited space and also it kind of competes with other uses of land we we need to grow food and we will have more humans in the future and we will have problems with food production due to climate change so we may also need more land for food so there it's not an easy way out so when we talk about negative emissions we have to talk about this thing called carbon capture and storage the idea here is we take CO2 either we take it directly from maybe a power plant or we get it out of the air and store it underground so there was a kind of bigger discussion about this in Germany during the last wave of new coal power plant constructions so what you often heard there was something like yeah okay we know that this bad with these coal power plants they produce a lot of carbon dioxide but it's not really problem because later we're gonna put the CCS technology on those plants and then it's not a problem anymore Wattenfall had a very big press conference where they announced they have the first carbon neutral power plant carbon neutral coal power plant that never happened one reason was there was resistance so in the areas where they wanted to store the carbon dioxide underground there was a lot of controversy but also similar projects in other countries where there was no resistance also failed and the simple reason is it's too costly like it costs a lot of money you reduce the already low efficiency of your coal power plant even more if you want to add this CCS technology and right now there are only a handful of CCS projects operating worldwide so and most of them are actually for something which is called enhanced oil recovery which means you pump carbon dioxide in an oil field so you can get a bit more oil out of it as you can guess that's not a good idea for the climate because then you have more oil and you will probably burn it but then you can make it economically viable so yeah so but what I think what the story from Germany tells you that if you talk about things like carbon capture and storage there's always kind of this risk that people will use this as an excuse they say yeah we can have carbon free coal power plants which didn't happen but it was still used as an excuse but we were talking about negative emissions and not about coal power plants with fewer emissions so one idea here is that you could use bioenergy and CCS like for example you burn trees and then you capture the carbon and store it underground because the trees when they grow up they store carbon and if you then store it that would effectively be negative emissions that obviously comes with all the problems that you usually have have with bioenergy it needs space if you have monocultures maybe pesticides there is sometimes land sometimes forests are cut down to plant palm oil trees to use them for energy so and the bioenergy itself can be a source of emissions for example if you cut down the rainforest for palm oil trees then cutting down the rainforest will create emissions so this is problematic and also we will already have problems with food security and bioenergy can increase that problem because we will have more competition for land so that is kind of why by now the scientists are also very skeptical and say we should maybe use as little as possible from this bioenergy and CCS another idea that is gaining a bit of traction is so-called direct air capture which is just you build a machine that takes CO2 out of the air and stores it underground this is less problematic from a land use perspective because this like using trees or plants to suck income dioxide that needs a lot of space this is the space is not the problem here but obviously these machines will require energy which will be mostly electric energy because like it doesn't make sense to power them with coal or something it needs to be clean energy I know if it makes no sense and there was a study where they looked at like yeah how does this play out with the IPCC scenarios and they they calculated that this could use up to 300 extra joules per year if you look at the IPCC 1.5 degree scenarios to compare that the world electricity generation is currently 75 extra joule so we would kind of have to increase the world electricity production four-fold and then make it green and use that to capture carbon dioxide from the air which sounds like it sounds really like science fiction so yeah so one criticism of the IPCC is that their optimistic scenarios rely on technology that largely doesn't really exist or only in small plants but it doesn't exist at a reasonable scale and it's very questionable if it's plausible to scale it up in a way that it can match these negative emissions that they think we should have and even if the technology works like how do you make that work in a political and economical way you can think about it like I mean sucking out carbon dioxide out of the air that doesn't make any money where's the business model here and I mean of course yeah I know the idea here is at some point we will have a worldwide carbon market and they will get paid but you can also have questions here about how plausible that is but probably the biggest criticism of the IPCC is around so-called feedback loops so and also so-called tipping points so many scientists think that the IPCC has not sufficiently considered these effects and a feedback loop is when global warming causes more global warming and one example is the so-called albedo effect where here you see an image of ice and water and you can see the ice is bright and the water is dark so bright things reflect sunlight and dark things don't so if the ice is gone then more sunlight will warm up the water and we will have more warming otherwise some of the sunlight would be reflected back into space and would not warm up the earth yeah that's what I just said and there are plenty of these feedback loops in the talk before I heard they're right 60 identified some of them are like the melting permafrost is releasing methane methane is also a greenhouse gas and a much more effect much more potent greenhouse gas at least on the short term then if peatbox die that's a tough more in German if you don't know the word if forests burn like the if they regrow it's kind of fine if they regrow at the same speed but if they burn down faster than they can regrow we have also increased warming and also if more water evaporates that water evaporated water itself is also acting as a greenhouse gas and there are many more of these and the kind of horror scenario is if you think that it could you could run into a situation where there are all these effects where the warming is creating more warming and that is creating even more warming and then you may have a situation where all these effects accelerate each other and you have something which is called a runaway climate change where you end up in a situation where it doesn't really matter what humanity does at this point it just keeps getting warmer and there was a study I think last year where a group of scientists kind of try to give an overview of this issue and summarize the most important this graph is from the study so and you can also see that there are the yellow ones are the ones where they are already at risk of of reaching that tipping point or they already have for example for the west Antarctic ice sheet currently the assumption seems to be that there's no way to save that it will just melt and there's nothing we can do about it and that could lead to a situation where these other effects that only started a higher temperature also get started and we run to a situation where it cannot be controlled anymore and the scary message from that study is that they say they cannot really say when this will happen because there are so many uncertainties but it could already happen if in a two degree warming scenario yeah after we talked about the science let's talk about the media because I think it's quite obvious that large parts of the population are not really aware of the scale and the risks of the climate crisis like I mean they know that there's something happening with climate change and probably that has to do with CO2 emissions but I don't read about runaway climate change in the news I'm not sure about you and a problem that has been identified is so-called false balance and what does that mean I have a nice comic here so here's a guy from television and he is interviewing an astrophysicist or the solar system and then he wants to balance that opinion with someone from the flat earth society now that's of course ridiculous but that's also what you often have when it's about climate change so you will often have a situation where media asks the climate scientists and then they ask someone who thinks that climate change is not happening and there was a study recently that tried to quantify that and they made a list of a list of prominent climate scientists and a list of prominent so-called contrarians so people who deny the science of climate change I have also not read a lot of this in the media because the media was busy calculating Kreator Thunberg's carbon emissions but overall the so-called contrarians had 49% more media visibility it was mostly in the US so not sure how much this can be transmitted to Germany and even in mainstream sources like the New York Times it was roughly equal and there were a few questions about the methodology there are some people said okay maybe they are just more climate scientists than these contrarians but even still like this looks really disastrous and this is I mean this debate about false balance has been going on for many years and like in 2011 the BBC had a big discussion about it and said they want to cover this in a more reasonable way where they don't try to balance scientific facts with some crackpots but yeah but also like I mean climate denial in the media is only one problem you often have this thing that it's simply ignored like I see there's an article about airport expansion like I don't know in Berlin you airport okay especially but like and then there's not a single word about climate or emissions or anything or there was Charles Koch who was a oil industry guy and who funded a lot of climate denial groups and the Washington he died I think yesterday and the Washington Post had a portray on him and they didn't mention that he was like a big funder of climate denial yeah there are a few positive tendencies where you feel some people in the media get it so the Guardian they published a new policy real estate they want to avoid terms like climate change and global warming because they feel these are terms that sound too harmless that tend to play down things and want instead to use more terms like climate crisis or global heating not sure if you have noticed I also tried to do this for my talk there's an initiative right now which is called covering climate now where several media publications commit to to make a week where they focus on climate topics before the action day at 20th of September there are some larger publications in there the Guardian CBS the nation and there's currently no major publication from Germany in there they're like clean energy wire and this reporter and but nothing none of the big media publication support this yet in Germany okay so what needs to happen obviously we need to stop burning fossil fuels so we need to get rid of things like this this is Jan Schwalde it's not that far from here it's like the open-cast mine where they mine lignite like it which is a very bad form of coal like even worse than normal coal and in the back there is this big Jan Schwalde power plant I don't have a lot of positive messages in this talk but I have one for you building renewable energy is probably much easier than people thought and this is like one of my favorite graphs on renewable energy so this is from a guy called Auker Högster if you feel like with all this climate doom you want to have some positive messages in your social media feed you should follow this guy so the black line is photovoltaic installations worldwide like how they happen for real all the colored lines are what the international energy agency predicted for solar installations so they kind of every time they make a new report like they recognize there's more solar than they predicted in their last report but then they predict okay it's going down a bit and then maybe up a bit like they don't seem to recognize that there's maybe a systemic problem with their prediction here and like it gets worse like the latest one they go down even more and yeah so this looks like an exponential growth which usually is bad but for photovoltaics that's like really good although I mean not to get put two positive that's all still growing in very low numbers but I mean that's really a message that also needs to get through more that renewable energy has been growing in a way that nobody predicted and like there's a way to fix things here so yeah we should change the electricity sector it's important it's one of the really huge chunks of carbon emissions but also that's kind of the easy part even though I know there are problems with storage and solar is only during the day and the wind doesn't always but I think these are solvable problems there are some sectors that are much harder this is a cement plant in Berlin do you know how cement is made yeah that's true so I have a little formula for you with some chemistry so you take something which is basically limestone and which is chemically mostly calcium carbonate and then you burn it and this turns it into calcium oxide and co2 so you see there's co2 here and the crucial part here is this is co2 that does not come from energy like there's no coal here there's no fossil fuels that comes from the chemistry of turning this limestone into cement and this is five percent of all the carbon dioxide emissions and the overall emissions are even higher because we need energy to do that and to burn it and like we have no idea how to change that there are a few experimental technologies to make cement in different ways but that's kind of basic research there's nothing that we can roll out now so that's the hard stuff you talk about when you want to go to carbon neutrality and there are other hard sectors for example airplanes I mean okay they now talk about sin fuels where you kind of turn electricity into oil you can do that it's very expensive not very efficient there's steel which is similar to the cement it's also a chemical process that releases carbon dioxide you can also do that with electricity but it's also very expensive and very inefficient and there's fertilizers if you put out fertilizers they will release nitrogen dioxide which is also a greenhouse gas so yeah and then there's this topic of geoengineering so at some point you come up with the question can we do something to counteract this warming from the greenhouse effect one thing there is which is under the umbrella term solar radiation management which is doing things that we reflect more sunlight there are ideas that are relatively sound relatively harmless like painting your roofs in white but I also the effects are not that big there are things that are more dangerous like putting aerosols into the atmosphere and some sound a bit more like science fiction like you have some flying objects that have big mirrors and put them all around the earth there was also a study about this a few days ago yeah this is not very widely discussed yet and for example the IPCC very explicitly says they don't consider solar radiation management right now and under normal circumstances you would say like pulling chemicals into the atmosphere and we're not really sure what that's gonna do it's probably dangerous they're probably negative side effects sounds really crazy but you're kind of wonder if we end up in a situation where we're it's either this or the planet is largely uninhabitable we may need to have that discussion but there's also the thing like is the discussion itself already dangerous because like there were already politicians who said yeah we can put a few aerosols into the atmosphere that solves the problem and so it's similar to the debate with carbon capture and storage where people may think this is an easy way out although it's kind of not really what we want to do like we should really focus on reducing carbon emissions as much as possible but maybe we should start having a discussion how we can even reasonably discuss about geoengineering and and what would be the political framework to discuss something like that and yeah then there's a term that comes up often from activists where they say yeah what do we want to climate justice and and this is often a bit of an abstract term and I want to kind of ground this a bit with the very specific example so right now we heard all the news that in Brazil and in also in Bolivia there's a lot of rainforest burning and this is I mean this is a disaster and there's also a big risk that it will put the Amazon rainforest over one of these tipping points which may then introduce further warming but like here's a news article that was it's not a current article but it was from spring but where headline says Brazil puts economy over the rainforests how dare they so like you may wonder like if we're from a rich country and doing this and we complain about poor countries putting the economy over ecology which we also do all the time there's a problem here and how about this which countries could pay poor countries to protect the rainforest who knows who this guy is really not almost no okay you're all too young I think this guy is at least partly responsible for what's going on in Brazil right now his name is still Gnebel he was a ministry of development in Germany he's from the free Democratic Party you can see that with the yellow on the side in 2007 the Rafael Correa who was back then the president of Ecuador they had a nice oil field which was unfortunately in a national park in the rainforest and the president said yeah we're willing to not get that oil out will protect the rainforest but only if the world is willing to compensate us for the losses here and only half of the losses like we calculate how much money we would make selling this oil and if you pay us half of that we will leave the oil in the ground forever we will save a lot of carbon emissions rainforest will be fine there were a few countries willing to support it the biggest contributions were from France and Spain and for quite a while it looked like Germany would support it too like there were even politicians in the conservative party who were very positive about this but Germany pulled out of the project and the guy I showed you the picture Dirk Gnebel he was responsible for that because he said he doesn't like this approach he prefers market-based mechanisms so if you hear that again from members of that party maybe remember them of this story so the Yasuni ITT initiative failed in 2013 and now they are drilling oil there so I think the rich country sent a message there and that was like we're not willing to pay for the rainforest and that's kind of a tragedy so how did this all go so wrong I think a big thing here is we really need to recognize the big failure here like nothing that has been done until now had any meaningful impact in slowing this down or stopping this and there's a failure in climate policy diplomacy and also in the environmental movement and I think like a lot of also NGOs need to ask themselves some very tough questions and I'm quite amazed that many of these more traditional NGOs how silent they are right now like this is a big topic now and extinction rebellion and Fridays for future are getting all the attention and you don't hear much from them and I feel they need to have a very tough discussion and like there was a comment in a German newspaper a few days ago where they said basically extinction rebellion should try to become like the BND which I found completely ridiculous but yeah we should recognize that the actions that would be required to do anything meaningful here are not even part of the political discourse like cutting down carbon emissions by half which would mean cutting them down even more in a rich country till 2030 like try to ask the people from the Green Party if they have a plan for this like I don't think they have one extinction rebellion has this demand to tell the truth I think that's a good idea kind of obvious yeah yeah and I also think that part of the problem here is that in the past there was also often a tendency to give a hopeful message we have so many solutions we're doing so many nice things here we have all these nice projects really which but it kind of didn't recognize the overall failure and this I think was particularly true for the climate conferences and the climate treaties like both the Kyoto Protocol and the Paris Protocol basically they didn't do anything meaningful but the environmental movement was cheering for them as we're at CCC camp here I thought I should talk a bit maybe what can tech people do I feel this is coming up quite a bit like I mean I hadn't expected that there are so many climate talks here and we have kind of almost a climate village there but if you have good answers to this I would like to hear them because it often sounds like okay yeah our like our computers need electricity should be green it's probably not the things that make a big impact I have a few proposals what you should not do building some libertarian utopia technology that's based on wasting a lot of electricity as much as possible all the time is probably not a good idea yeah you I think you know what I'm talking about if you can find a way to kill but Bitcoin like that would have an impact your hackers think about that really um yeah what's the tech industry doing what do you think this is any guess yeah roughly like that no no so I call this the Google division for accelerated climate chaos this is Google's department for services for the oil industry I mean don't you see it like here's an oil rig in gray yeah okay there's also solar cells but if you scroll down it says yeah as they're computing demands grow oil and gas companies like Schlumberger, Total, Anadarko and others rely on Google Cloud to scale workloads such as seismic interpretation regression analysis and classification and so on and so on I mean that's if you want to ask it's kind of like a made-up example for greenwashing right yeah don't be evil and I just picked Google because this web page was so ridiculous but there was a very well researched article on Gizmodo recently where like all the big cloud companies have departments that offer specific services to the oil industry and they make a lot of deals with yeah lots of money involved they're also like yeah you can use machine learning to find more oil and drill more efficiently yeah that was mostly it I wanted to ask you if you want to join some protests and because I have some suggestions for you there's a there's a protest against the international car fair in Frankfurt at the 14th of September then of course there's the global climate strike with Fridays for Future and many others supporting them 20th of September and there will be more actions in the week following it and Extinction Rebellion will have worldwide actions on 7th of October so yeah support these organizations and thank you thank you Hanno so we have for some time for questions and I already see someone lined up at the microphone can I ask you to please speak loud and clear and yeah so please check check check okay this message is very bleak and I am no devastated very emotional so this is like a general message it is okay to feel these emotions it is okay if I reconnect our brains with our hearts because when I first learned about this I wanted to cry and to cry it is okay but it also can give us energy to do meaningful projects the large-scale engineering projects 50 years ago we went to the moon so now if we apply our engineering resources I believe we can reverse climate change this will require a lot of changes on the United Nations on the government levels and to thank you very much for this presentation thank you okay yeah I guess that was not a question thank you for that all right next question please this is actually a question first of all thanks a lot for the talk really really good really nice to have these resources without trying to be too vague or to airy-fairy if you could click your fingers and change one thing or a few what would that be or more political terms if there were theoretical extreme actions that could be taken what should they be I guess the I mean the thing that has the biggest impact is stopping coal that would be the first step right thanks first of all thank you very much I really really liked your talk and I had an idea what maybe hackers also could do and because I was really happy to come here and meet all these hackers because I'm a completely dummy I even cannot do calculations and mad love or something three weeks ago we were sitting together with scientists for future in Bremen and we were talking about that only 10 to 15 percent of the Germans know what Fridays for future is and what they demand so this is unbelievable because everyone from of us knows us knows it and so we have to somehow break out of these social media bubbles and I don't know how it works exactly but I had the idea that maybe hackers could help us to place climate content in other bubbles to raise awareness which doesn't change the world but it would support us the scientists because the scientists are complete dummies with about communication and internet and stuff I don't know if it helps but this was my idea yeah I'm not entirely sure if the hackers are the best group to do public relations also sorry but maybe maybe we can have a discussion and then no okay like I mean we had this we had a discussion about defasements and denial of service yesterday but I'm very skeptical that this is something that will have a big impact but I'm happy to have a discussion about this afterwards thanks thanks for mentioning false balance and the media in the role do you see any way to interfere at that point that false balance I mean one of the things is that I was working as a journalist in this area and right now I'm mostly not I'm mostly doing it stuff so I mean yeah you can try to be it become a journalist or try to influence the media like that and I mean what is the what is the mechanism that drives this false balance why do they still do that I mean I okay so I mean there's this general tendency that journalists want to be balanced which sounds kind of reasonable unless you go to things where we talk about facts right we also don't balance that like did the moon landing happening but so I think there's there's not this recognition that this is not a matter of opinion that we're talking about facts here but there's also like I mean this is kind of a politicized issue and you feel like okay now we did the Green Party friendly article now we need the other party friendly article which is prone things like that is I have the suspicion that it's because they want to create a debate that is emotionally enraging yeah I mean that's also I mean that's also what we see with the with that the right wing movement has much more representation in the hacking the media I mean isn't that a way that is worth I mean I'm not a psychologist but I mean it's facts are difficult like they are boring they're not nice stories there I don't have all the answer on the on the back of the comment about that we went to the moon pretty much in the past and a 400 years all major advances major projects happened because of competitions between countries more or less all the way from colonization to going to the moon to even building the internet do you feel that we could ever get to a place like this again where actually we can start competing with something to go somewhere or actually our connectedness today which also makes worse impossible makes impossible for us to actually put down our iPhones and build something okay so with the competition between countries you have this kind of this problem that if you do something to reduce emissions it's it's an advantage for the whole world so there's not a big incentive for a single country to do more than the others which is kind of this strategy of the commons like I'm not an economist but so I feel it's I mean of course there is competition about solar energy there is competition about electric cars although I would prefer less cars but so I think this competition can help in some areas but for the overall issue it feels the incentives are not aligned with that because there's no incentive for one country to be the climate leader alright next question please you don't have to answer but what do you think will happen yeah no I I mean okay I but like I feel there will be a point where it's so obvious that we have a problem that we will discuss this in a different way the problem is just it will probably at a point where our options are limited and we may have a debate about geoengineering or whatever thanks please for instance one example if so the level would rise by three meters just tomorrow everybody would know that we have a problem so in my opinion when do we know that we really have a problem and this comes to the masses and everybody sees oh something is really going wrong so we need to do something I think this is the first thing when we will start acting I mean I don't think this is a one point in time issue and I think we are already seeing that I mean there's definitely a connection between we had this crazy summer last year and then the topic came and then the Humber Forest was in the news and then the Green Party grew and so there is already something happening where you clearly see a connection between events unfolding and more people caring about the topic it's not enough yet we know that but and but I don't know where the critical point will be where we can have really a discussion about doing something seriously okay so okay we have one more questions for one more question from the audience please thank you for your talk and also the other one thanks I was wondering I'm thinking a lot right now about also the media coverage that you mentioned and I'm from Austria and in the last months I had this feeling that it was not and not a downplaying of the effects but like more a hysteria so there is like climate crisis everywhere and it's like catastrophic scenarios everywhere but it's in a kind of science fiction way sometimes so it's maybe even overdone and also I cannot recall any more where but I read that also the also the crisis version of what is happening like in the story to tell that it's all going to shit is not having any effect because it makes the masses too helpless because it's too big and so this is what I'm thinking right now about also in what I do how how there would be a way to communicate not with downplaying but also not with this extreme hysteria but telling how bad it is yeah without shocking people so much that they just keep doing what they're doing because there is no point in something like that and I was wondering if you have a comment on that or maybe like a third way between us so I mean one problem is that the hysteria and the what sounds like science fiction is often what we can read out of the science so I don't think it's legit to say this is hysteria when this is the prediction from the science we have also I feel like I mean extinction rebellion does this very extreme with these shocking messages and like they are growing like crazy like in Berlin I I get kind of a newsletter from them there where they they do something every day and so I mean we we kind of enter in an area which is psychology and there are also some debates whether which kind of messaging works although I have a lot of doubts about psychology as a science that's a different topic but my feeling is that these shocking messages and this really like staying within the science but telling the science how bad it is is looks to me like it's working at least it's working better than what we did before so you would say that like everything that is going out as long as it stays as much as the current facts as possible is it should be a good thing right yeah I think that's it I mean there are occasionally situations where there was for example an article by a journalist called David Wallace Wells which was in the New Yorker and it was criticized a lot because it was based on a scenario that is has some assumptions that are not very realistic so there are occasionally situations where people overdo things and people are going like it's maybe still within the science but it's not very realistic and I think it's reasonable to have that discussion but also this is not very often and what we see much more often is the downplaying so thank you okay so thank you for your questions I want you to give Hanno a big round of applause again please thank you


Hi, I'm Chris Thompson for Investor Intel and today we're talking with Peter Cashin who is the president and CEO of Imperial Mining Group. Hi. How are you today, Peter? Good Chris. How about yourself? I'm great. A happy new year. And today we're talking about your PEA stage scandium project in Quebec, which has a 25-year, I guess minimum stage life depending on the existing resource and scandium is one of those critical minerals in Canada, in the US and in the EU, which are important. Today, what is scandium actually used for? Well, the main purpose of scandium is it's a very effective alloy agent aluminum and by adding very, very small quantities of the oxide in your aluminum metal production, you can increase the strength of the alloys up to eight times or 800%. So recently you've had a lot of good exploration results. Can you give us a quick summary? Yeah, sure, Chris. The reason of the program was to take the results we had from our 2001 resource report and convert the inferred resource part of the total resource into indicated, which is a requirement when you move to feasibility study. So we did that work. A lot of the holes were actually at the lower part, lower extension of the zone, basically right at the limit of the pitch shell that we established in our PEA, and it's showing not only wider thicknesses, larger thicknesses, but increased in grades. Now, that being said, we recognize that as we go to the south, that higher grade, thicker higher grade section seems to be plunging up closer towards surface. So I think future work that we're looking at is to do a bit of near surface exploration to define some of that higher grade mineralization in the early years of the mining life. Otherwise, the material that we've defined at the lower section, we won't even look at till year 2025, something in that area. And by finding that higher grade material closer to surface, how does that affect the economics of the project? That's the improved because really you want that higher grade plumb closer to surface in the early years of your mining operation to accelerate capital payback and lower your operating costs. You'll be mining a lot less material to get your inferred production rate. And in the PEA, what was the economics at that time? That actually, that's a good point. It was a 25 year mining life, producing about 88 tons of scandium oxide per year, which is not really all that much, but it's really used for making the aluminum alloy I was telling you about. That is the net present value after tax at a 10% discount rate is $1.72 billion Canadian. And the internal rate of return right now is about 35% after tax. But that was before we had, we're working on, continue to work on our process flow sheet, and we improved the recoveries that were used in the PEA by about 10%. So that'll positively affect the economics that were portrayed in the PEA. We haven't worked on that now. Obviously, that increase in the recoveries will be used in the feasibility study report itself. So that's what you want to see. You want to see an improvement rate in the recoveries in your process because you're going to be mining a lot less material to get your notional production rate. So it's pretty exciting. And when are you aiming to have the feasibility done? Well, we're starting that up. So there's multiple things that we're looking at in 2023. We're just about to finish our process flow sheet. It was protected by a provisional US patent. Now we submitted our final patent, and we should have that within the next four to six months. So that information will be now used in the engineering for the pilot plant. So that's one of the first steps that we intend to do in 2023. We've already started our data collection for the environmental baseline study, which is a requirement to move to feasibility. And then we're hoping that we can get the feasibility study started up at least in the second half of 2023. Excellent. I saw also that you did recent financing. Can you just go over who came on board? It looked like a pretty exciting time.  It was about a rate 700,000 in flow, but we've got about 300,000 in hard dollars as well. The intent there really is to do a small provisional financing. I mean, our capital needs are much higher than that. But I mean, all mining companies are negatively affected by the market collapse. So I was trying to be responsible and bringing enough money to at least have the seed capital necessary to start all of our various steps moving forward. And hopefully with an improvement in the market conditions, an improvement in our share price market cap, then probably go after a much larger financing down the road. But you also had involvement from the Septial Economic Development Corp. So that's a good sign. Yeah, they've been really good partners so far. The intent there is the Economic Development Corp set up meetings with business, indigenous and municipal leaders. Generally, SETIL has traditionally been an iron mining and production center. Unfortunately, most of the government R&D capital and incentives are for critical metals. And they felt kind of left out because they wouldn't qualify for that. They view that our project will allow them to get into that transition, the energy transition and get involvement with the critical mineral space and gain the profile as being a center for critical minerals as well. So very exciting. I mean, we met leaders from, there's a large aluminum plant there. They're very enthused. Apparently, as one of the provisos by the Quebec government to finance an expansion of the plant from about 350,000 tons of aluminum to 600,000 was to get involved with the downstream and get an aspect of your business plan involved with value added metals such as scanning aluminum alloy. Well, Quebec is widely known for its aluminum plants there. So it's a natural fit. And Quebec is leading in the critical minerals and battery metals, you know, space for investing. So are you finding that you're getting good support from other parts of the Quebec government? Yeah, absolutely. The optimization work we did with our metallurgical flow sheet was partially sponsored by the Quebec government, about a quarter of a million dollar grant. We just submitted a subsequent grant to help us to now to move through the pilot plant work, and that's for about $500,000. Basically, they've been very prudent in their approach in supporting critical minerals. They're not going to support the exploration and development of all 16 rare earths and all of the other, you know, I think there's about 50 critical minerals on the US and Canadian list. What they want to do is they said, well, we'll support those critical minerals that have natural synergies with our existing aspects of our economy. And obviously, scandium being an additive to aluminum and aluminum being an extremely important sector for the Quebec government. It was natural. It was a natural fit there, like you said. And where will the pilot plant go? That's in discussions there. I think for the pilot plant, for the metallurgical front and at least the mineral processing and getting the scandium out of the rock and as an oxide will likely be done in Southern Quebec somewhere at a commercial lab. But in our discussions with the alloyed aluminum, which is the aluminum plant there, they've actually got about 18 test circuits for aluminum metal production that potentially we could partner with them and do the various R&D that we need to produce, you know, ensure that we've got, we maximize our ability to create an alloy. And then the secondary benefit there is that if we could align ourselves with them on a toll basis for them to produce the alloys, we could probably knock off about 100 to $150 million off the capex that we reported in our PEA. So, I mean, there'll be some economic benefits there, mutual benefits, I would say, to produce the specialty alloys. That's quite exciting. Now, you mentioned a couple of things already about what was in store for 2023, but why don't you give a little bit of a recap You seem to have a lot going on from exploration to, you know, the feasibility work. So what are sort of the top five things that investors will be seeing this year as part of your news release flow? Well, a startup of our pilot plant, exploration drilling, and that to try to define the higher grade surface resource to the south of our existing resource. We want to really get actively involved with our environmental baseline, both at the mining site, as well as the process site that will be in Sattel, and that's for the process plant. And then second half of the year, move towards the startup, the feasibility study. So, exciting times for imperial mining. Looking forward to it. It's going to be a big year. That's great. Well, thanks for the update. I was talking with Peter Cashin, who is the president and CEO of Imperial Mining Group on the TSXD with ticker IPG. Thanks, Peter. Thanks, Chris.


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