Okay, now let's kick off the IAM and VRI construction session of the 15th design conference. So time to start the special session one. So after the opening remarks of Audrey Tan and then that followed by the Q&A style discussion, first I would like to introduce two panelists. So first panelist is from Tohoku University. So the professor, Fumihiko Imamura, specialized in tsunami engineering at Tohoku University. He's going to join online. So please give him a big round of applause. So he specialized in the fluid wave motion numerical computation of the disaster science of tsunami. History seismic wave traces investigation inside and outside the country and evacuation simulation. A cognitive physiology that analyzes the memory at the time of the refuge and human action, etc. And then tracking the research in connection with tsunami disaster prevention. And he's also the forum-aid advisor. Very pleased to meet you. Thank you very much. And the second panelist is the professor Edwin Argaria from a fire safety engineering group of the University of Greenwich. He's joining online. So give him a big round of applause please. Professor Argaria is the founder of the fire safety engineering group, FSEG, of the University of Greenwich, the UK. And this is the place where the highly accurate evacuation analysis software Exodus was developed. It is also a major source of many prominent papers and published works regarding evacuation analysis while also staring numerous times in major companies such as BBC and ABC. So Mr. Argaria, welcome. And the moderator is Mr. Ryota Ieyeri. Please come up to the stage. So a big round of applause for him please. So he is an enthusiastic architectural IT journalist who transmits the latest news and information on his blog to provide proposals or solutions using beam eye construction and IoT to solve many business challenges that the construction industry often faces such as the productivity growth, global environmental protection and the internationalization. And he said he listened to you 24-7 and he keeps himself so busy for consulting and also the next giving. Now we would like to ask for Prime Minister Tan to join us and we will ask her opening remarks. I ask her to join online today. Please give her a big hand. The orderly pattern is that the claim the role in the Taiwan National Development Commission and in private area in Apple Company, she is working as a consultant and with social awareness. She is working as a colloquial member. The word is active. She is focusing on the government. That's a social realising creation tool. Minister Tan, would you please join us. Minister in charge of social innovation, it is my great pleasure and honour to be here virtually and share some thoughts with you about Taiwan's digital democracy. But first, as digital minister of Taiwan, I suppose it makes sense for me to travel digitally across the time zone and talk to you. However, I believe many of you would also agree when I say it is a pity that the pandemic made it difficult for me to join you in person because I remember at the time before the pandemic, when I travelled to Tokyo, Kyoto and many beautiful cities, before the pandemic, I had an opportunity to have face-to-face discussions with so many top-notch experts and scholars and shook hands, which is a pre-pandemic thing, with friends from all over the world. And so as the COVID-19 pandemic threw the world off balance and brought drastic changes, we've seen symptoms around many parts of the world, of democracy and the trust and democracy in backslide. Some authoritarian regimes have tried to justify measures of state restrictions in the name of public health. And of course, there is never an easy way to tackle emerging disasters and challenges, but I see opportunities arise among the biggest global crisis of our time. So when we are faced with this shared challenge in Taiwan in particular, I see digital social innovation continue to accelerate democracy and deepen the collaboration across sectors. And so how do we start to bring ourselves to work with the people, not just for the people? Well, for me, the answer is really simple, is to trust our citizens because to give no trust is to get no trust. And that is why in Taiwan we have dedicated ourselves to bring technology into the spaces where citizens are rather than expect citizens to adapt to the creations of the technologists. Our contact tracing system 1922 SMS is a case in point, is a solution proposed not by the government, by the civic tech community G0VGF0 to ensure both privacy protection and efficient contact tracing. Well, we face our real first and only wave in May, which is, you know, gone now in the past couple of months, we've had zero confirmed cases, essentially. But in May, the G0VGF0 community, the decentralized group of civic technologists swore into action. And they ensuciastically discussed how to improve existing registration systems and inspired by their discussions. We did not use any app at all. You just use your built-in smartphone camera. To scan the QR code, it sends a text message to toll free number 1922. And the checking records, a quarter billion has been sent so far, are created and stored with no need again of an app download. And only when necessary do the contact tracers retrieve the data, piece together the puzzle of the multiple security stored and privacy preserving pieces into effective contact tracing. So we reduce the time it takes for an average case of more than 24 hours into less than 24 minutes. And the system was deployed to millions of venues within just three days. And this would not be possible without a robust partnership between the social sector, the public sector, and the private sector. And when we talk about private sector, I want to especially thank the line corporation from Japan for agreeing to use, to change their codes, to use the main QR code scanner of adding line friends to contribute to 1922 SMS, which doubtlessly contributed to the popularity. So to conclude, I think the mask rationing map, the vaccine reservation system, and the contact tracing system that I introduced is just some of the ideas that we can learn by trusting the citizens, much like how the tip of Taiwan, the Yushan Jade Mountain raises two or three centimeters each year because precisely of earthquakes from the clash and tectonic plates, if we have a resilient democratic infrastructure to invite innovations from completely different ends of the spectrum from the social sector charities, social innovators, but also large corporations, companies, and so on. Then when we come to the same virtual table to discuss, we can also co-create our way through resilience to a better digitally enabled social infrastructure. And that's my opening remark. Thank you for listening. End of speech. Yes. Thank you very much. Thank you very much. Thank you very much. We have welcomed Minister Audrey, who is very busy, and it was a very valuable time shared with us. Thank you very much. We appreciate it so much. Thank you. And Mr. Audrey is very busy and don't have time to sleep. How many hours do you sleep a day? Eight hours, always more than eight hours. If I get very busy, that is to say, if I have to think beyond the existing positions of which there are many, then I work overtime. I sleep for nine hours or 10 hours at most, because I really do the creative work in my sleep. And which is why I believe that the resilience also of our internal mindset of accepting that better solutions exist, of overcoming the not invented here syndrome, rests in sufficient rest. Because if we do not have sufficient sleep, ample sleep, then we tend to continue whatever habits of solution that we were used to, business as usual in the previous day. But when I have sufficient amount of sleep, I always wake up with some new ideas that's incorporated by listening attentively to various other people across various other sectors in the previous day. So I often say that sleep is the time that I actually do my work. And so just a procedural feedback. I cut the opening remarks short, not because I have to run. I have nothing for the next hour, but because I want to focus more on the real time questions and answers and in the panel and with the panel. Thank you very much. We can sleep more than eight hours. It is very surprising that you can sleep. You are expert in time management, I guess. Now get into the topic of today. Today we welcome each panelist and raise the six topics to cover today. And to each, their relative topics to each, the topic first, number two is the time of disaster like tsunami, how the government should deal with it and respond to it and prepare for it. Looking back the past experience, we'd like to talk about it with each other, with Dr. Imamura and Dr. Garia. Introducing research results of each gentleman. I would like to have a comment from Mr. Audrey on those two gentlemen's results. First, Imamura-san, please. Dr. Imamura. We cannot hear Dr. Imamura's voice. Please use the microphone on teams. Cannot hear you. Can you hear me? Yes, fine. Thank you. Mr. Tamaki and Professor Garia is here and I am very looking forward to having a discussion at the Tohoku University studying earthquake. So that even nine years ago, the big earthquake happened. And going forward, today we'd like to talk about these important issues together. Let me share the document. Yes, looks fine. This is the, when the big earthquake broke out, tsunami images, when it happened on the left. Five minutes after the outbreak of Hokkaido, Tohoku, and the coastal area, and 20 minutes later, its image in the middle, propagated to the coastal areas, and 30 minutes later, as on the right, big 30 meters high tsunami wave happened. And in the coastal area, there came a very big stream. In the past, this area had a big tsunami. And there's a protective bank, there was a protective bank, but it was totally broken. So big disaster was brought. In order to protect the lives of people from tsunami, there's a warning system. Everyone has 60 years of history of a tsunami warning system. When earthquake happens within one minute, we give out the warning with what magnitude, what level of magnitude and locations it happened. If it's in the sea, two to seven or higher, then there is a chance of tsunami. So tsunami switch quickly to tsunami warning, and in three minutes it ends, the warning ends. So within three minutes information comes. So 2011, yet information came on, at that day, on the left is 1449, three minutes after the outbreak. The first warning came in Miyagi six meters, Fukushima three meters, but actual wave went up to 30 meters. Why this has so much gap, that first came the underestimation. Within one minute, the magnitude was seven, but in reality nine hundred, it was under estimated by a hundred times in terms of energy. So unfortunately, the forecast was not good enough, but in this area, as is on the right bottom, there's a GPS sensor attached in the location and catch the tsunami. The first wave came around three o'clock with the height of six meters, but the off coast offshore is this much, but as it gets closer, it gets higher. So it already passed 18 meters. So as a result, at 1514, came up to six meters, six meters, and the information updated. The information has become updated as time goes, and the accuracy was good. But at that time, the first wave of tsunami already came, arrived, so it was too late to evacuate. So what it means, what it tells us is that the information immediately after the break is difficult to obtain, and so quick information needs to be captured, and as we analyze more and more, the accuracy becomes better, but as time passes, it is very difficult to evacuate. So there comes a trade-off. So we have to understand the reality very clearly, but have to come up with the countermeasures like this. That was a big lesson learned. So in order to, I would like you to understand the situation. That was all from my side. First topic, next we would like to welcome Mr. Guria. Please. Mr. Professor Gallipis. Thank you very much, and it's a great pleasure to be here. I only wish I could be in Tokyo with you in person, as Tokyo is one of my favorite places in the world, and the people and friends from four on eight are very dear to me. So I wish I was there with you, but technology allows us to communicate in this way, which is I think very useful, and I was very impressed with Audrey Tang understanding that she gets eight hours sleep and does the most creative thinking in the sleep. That's fantastic. Right now it's 1.30 in the morning here in London, and so I'm suffering from lack of sleep, so maybe my brain is a little bit slow and not as creative as it should be. But it was very interesting presentation, and I think when we're talking about natural disasters, and in fact any disaster, I like to keep in mind a proverb, a very wise proverb that chance favors the prepared mind. And so the way we enhance our resilience to natural disasters is through planning, robust planning, and as part of that planning, that includes the education and training of the population, and through the planning, we have to take into consideration, we can use simulation to help us create robust plans. But it's very important to also understand, and this is something that often engineers and technologists often overlook and forget, is that the public does not necessarily respond the way the engineer or the technologist or the government official would like. And so we have to understand the human dimension and the way humans are likely to respond to these natural disasters, if our plans are going to be sufficiently robust to accommodate these sorts of issues. So this is where a lot of my work comes in, understanding the psychology of human response in disaster situations, and understanding the nature of the behavioural response and how we can include that in our planning and simulation. So I think that's key. Well, I think those disasters, we never anticipate when that happens, so it's just like a trade off issue, we have no time to think about it, so we have to be prepared mentally, it's very important, and one more point is that everything doesn't go like we thought. So for this COVID-19 pandemic, the same too, it started last year in Japan, the masks are very popular, so everyone purchased those masks, and in Japan we are trying to provide those masks, and that's the same on Minister Odoly too, you are actively participating, and you are doing very well, so would you please give me your idea how to protect them? Yes, the mask rationing map of course is well known in Japan, it's based on what we call a public infrastructure in the digital realm, or digital public infrastructure, that already was built before the pandemic, based on the air quality measurements from the middle schools, primary schools, and so on into a distributed ledger maintained by our national academy and held by our national center of high-speed computation, and it's part of our educational effort so that the students are not just learning about media literacy or data literacy, but rather media and digital competence. Literacy is when we just consume information, competence is when we remix and make information for the public good, so the primary schoolers that measures air quality like to PM 2.5 in their school yard or back at home with open hardware in the balcony all contributes to for example their neighbors and their family members before they go to job will actually check the air quality level before they go, and that data came from the student curated data steward device, the air box, and the civil IOP system that the air box is one part of provides the kind of trust-based infrastructure so people can write to this distributed ledger while not worrying about the cybersecurity, the disinformation, the trolls and so on that pollutes more anti-social corners of social media, and thanks to this mutual accountability mechanism can we build the masquerading map in just three days again from the help of good zero people as well as also extend that for example to the earthquake monitoring system that has this hybrid platform on the simulation rooms but also again in the K-12 school campuses, science parks, firefighting departments, kindergartens and so on so that people can not just participate in the drills but also participate in how to get those warnings and reduce the time it takes from the earthquake being detected to actual evacuation instructions with the people not just from the government designing for the people and it was really successful in just a few years like four years time of the civil IOT we have reduced the warning alerts through this hybrid fashion previously is close to 20 seconds and now it's issued in less than 10 seconds after the shaking is detected thanks to this hybrid collaboration so that's end of my remark thank you understand now I have to say it thank you so as you just mentioned the trust in infrastructure you just said four years ago there came a warning system so as a result the people could evacuate smoothly move smoothly because of that Dr. Imamura this is related to topic three and four in order for even one more people to be able to evacuate it and be safe what can we do people what should be prepared and trust where the infrastructure should be built as well from your past experience of the tsunami what should Japan do or Japan is doing could you tell us some examples experience thank you very much can you hear me yes okay good thank you in order to cope with the disaster incident well in advance we need a preparation like education meaning that to the children and so education is very important so I would like to introduce education system in Japan and that is evacuation so here it's led by students that elementary school students actually when the warning happened elementary school students themselves led the group and supported by themselves amongst themselves at the time of earthquake and tsunami so learn about the past history of tsunami and do the drill and doing the drill and ran up to the high place and was safe so there's even a designated place had a big tsunami but with the gathering and second tsunami also came so understood the students understood the information in the correct manner at that time though we have a lot of casualties but students themselves led the group to help them evacuate so it was a very good example in Japan thank you very much uh that is a disaster education to the children save the adults because of so many experience in that area so by teaching students we could avoid the disaster so orders in Taiwan how about the education in Taiwan to school students data competence is something that's almost impossible to teach but very easy to learn once you operate one of those air boxes and so on and the community have also moved on to water boxes which measures the water pollution level and link it to the agricultural studies so that people can understand the water that they're drinking how exactly did it flow and learn important points about conserving not just everyday water resources but also actively inventing in the water system and so on again this this idea of making a collaborative ledger of the environment around us is preparing our students for an even more complex system like greenhouse gas accounting which is very important if we are to plan the carbon sinks the planting areas together and maintain them as a community so it's like the training wheels that people can in their primary school first learn about air quality water quality and so on and then gradually about the complex interplay with the atmospheric and other environmental systems I want to also highlight that's the participatory nature of it there's a popular app inspired actually by a Japanese invention I believe it's called Maimitsu which shows the drinking fountains near the school but in Taiwan the civic technologies extended that into a Pokemon Go like game where children can collect coins for checking in to learn about the local histories and local environments just like Pokemon Go by bringing their bottles and refill at those fountains and it also pushes the notifications whenever they detect that their local heat damage may occur out of the wind and the sun's angle and so on so that people can learn to evacuate a little bit from the heat and drinking plenty of water so none of this is particularly disastrous but making this coordinated action and notification and contribution a habit in a participatory way prepares us for the larger aspects in the future thank you I said that's the primary market with the participatory type of application teaches you right well I was impressed by listening to your experience by enjoying kids can learn how about mr. Gaudia professor Gaudia in the earlier I like to ask you about there are some at the time of fire disaster you have the experience in that evacuation from your past experience countermeasures and preparation and what is the point that you're focusing on and what is improving in your study in those areas well I mean there's let me let me jump back a little bit before I address that question so I think there's a lot of interesting discussion just just now and I want to go back to a couple of things and some of this I'll be bringing up in my talk later on but the issue of mask wearing for example really very important and a very simple mitigation process that can be very very effective but in the west we really made a mess of mask wearing and I think this is one of the reasons we had such a high death rate from covid at least early in the pandemic and the problem was that that the messaging from the government from from the from our political leaders and their scientific advisors was that mask wearing was actually useless pointless and in fact the messaging was that mask wearing is actually counterproductive and dangerous and this was this was in the face of the evidence before our very eyes of what was happening in Taiwan in Japan and in Korea where people were wearing masks and it was proving very very effective and then and then this led to and then when the government changed their mind and started to recommend mask wearing we then had the fake news phenomena where people were starting to write in you know that masks are bad don't wear them the government said first they were bad now they're saying they're good we can't trust the government so the messaging becomes very very important and understanding the evidence base becomes very very important and really government should and government advisors should really take into account the evidence base not just from your local experts but be prepared to look beyond your borders look what your neighbors are doing look what other citizens around the world are doing what's the experience what can we learn from all these other cultures and societies that have faced not only the the current crisis but similar crises in the past that we should be learning from so this is very very important I think and it's something that certainly western governments and certainly the government in the UK and in the United States failed dismally in the early parts of the pandemic the the other point that was interesting is the point about alarms and having this something that we have in the fire safety arena is having an alarm but an alarm is useless if people don't understand the message of the alarm and so the alarm has to be simple and people have to become familiar with the message of the alarm if they don't understand what the alarm is they will waste precious time wondering oh what does that sound what does that mean is that so for example if you have a tsunami alarm what the hell is a tsunami alarm what does that mean what does it sound like what's the message is telling me if I'm a tourist in your city and a tsunami alarm goes off I'm going to say well what is that I've never heard it before and so you're going to create potential confusion and this is where the training comes in and the education comes in you need to inform and educate and train people how to respond similarly with signage I've seen wonderful signage cropping up all around the world for tsunami now in you have a nice tsunami wave and a sign for what does that sign mean to the uninformed does that mean that's the direction of the surf beach if you want to go and see the surf go in that direction is that is that what it means or does it mean there's a place of safety from the tsunami okay so the comprehensibility of your message to the public and again this is the point I made earlier on it's important that technologists and governments don't assume that the public understand your message you need to measure that understandability okay and and we have this issue with emergency signage for fire and evacuation lots of new concepts being developed like dynamic signage again I'll be talking about this in my presentation but do people actually comprehend and understand what these dynamic signage messages mean and and so do they react appropriately so this is really very important to understand the human side of all of these technological solutions and and training I think it was an issue that was raised later a few minutes ago about the importance of training children and educating children this is really vital and we've seen this in history in lots of cases where important training of youngsters can actually make a big difference in the outcomes in in in in in disasters this isn't rocket science we've got lots of very good evidence of this so for for example during the Second World War in the UK children in primary elementary school were trained how to put on the gas mask okay so it wasn't we were just expecting the adults to know how to do this and then the adults will take care of the children we taught the children how to do this and in fact the children taught the adults how to respond so that's a simple example from the 1930s of how important it is to educate children another example more recently is children at school certainly in the UK are being taught first aid and the importance of identifying understanding if for example an adult has collapsed what to do you know call 999 in the UK and and this has saved a number of lives through the education of children as early as elementary school so all of these things are really very very important and the the sooner we begin to educate and inform the the youngsters that the more resilient a society we will have I think I'm not sure if I've answered or addressed the point that was made to me I can't remember what that point was so perhaps perhaps I finished for now unless there's another question or discussion thank you very much thank you very much as I heard Dr. Garia communicate their correct information like the meaning of alarm what it all means the sound and also learn from the children like gas mask example taught children then children taught parents and like Dr. Imamura said at the time of evacuation pupils led that non-evacuation yes so education involved children to help evacuate and prepare for the disaster that is very significant and Audrey son you have a lot of interviews with the children and communication with the children right I heard I've read the article and in that what you can learn from children if you have any comments on that what do you learn from children yeah just after this talk I'm going to visit the Dunhua middle school for a conversation so indeed it's my job as the minister in charge of youth engagement to engage the youth as early as possible and what we have learned is that the younger people the people younger than 18 people before they get the voting right really are actually much more passionate about innovative solutions when it comes to environmental and disaster mitigation and things like that they're also very well connected internationally all they lack is a stage for their innovations to be taken seriously because they don't have a vote right they can't vote themselves in so in Taiwan we have this national platform where people can raise citizen initiatives and after collecting 5000 signatures online from citizen or residents anyone with a SMS number really we must respond from a ministry or possessions and if it's interagency I personally collaborate with the social sector twice a month now the point is that more than a quarter of those initiatives are proposed by people younger than 18 so they're the most active age segments they came up with this idea of banning plastic straws from the taking out of our national drink the bubble tea replacing it with circular material or reusable material and actually chartered out a transitioning plan with the business sector and so on and with this joint platform their idea became reality in just a few months so these are just some of the idea of reverse mentorship if we give them the stage they actually connects much better to this senior generation people who are 17 years old are the perfect partner of people who are 17 years old because both age groups have more time on their hands care more about the long term and also organize passionately in the social sector so that's our experience in just touring around Taiwan to listen to the middle schoolers what they feel what they think when they complete their data competence education when they fact check the presidential candidates to put an end to this information when they fact check their local weather stations right and things like that what else would they like to do and that's when I learned the most children and the 18 doesn't who doesn't have any voting right so you are working focusing on those uh each area this is due because because due to the digital era that will be very important I have about on eight minutes I would like to ask you the question this is from the person who is engaged in the speed engineering area in Japan now we are doing to promote the digital system it's in that one from your experience would you please help us and tell me where we have to focus on the digital situation yeah um as I mentioned the focus should be on trusting the citizens to come up with innovations rather than working for the citizens we need to work with the citizens and the key idea of nothing about us without us tells us when we design for example the contact tracing system the masquerading system we work together with the front line pharmacies with the senior people who don't want to use an ATM to wire anything else because to them it's too dangerous they use the ATM only to withdraw cash and they prefer to pay in cash and so on we need to let them come up with the models that we deliver those digital services so that even in convenience store in Taiwan for example you still use the national health card without entering password or involving money to pre-order the mask and then you pay cash at a counter of course you can also pay using mobile payment but the point is that if the senior people if the people who are disadvantaged actually come up with the solution themselves and you implement them to augment existing solutions they become passionate opinion leaders that's because they co-invented it will convince everyone in their community how to enroll into this and for example when we did a vaccine reservation people over the age of 65 overwhelmingly said they don't want to pre-register because they have a lot of free time on their hands just tell them when and where to go they will just go there saving one extra transaction of appointments but people of the working age of course they have to take a days off work and so when they prefer to schedule by their own volition so in Taiwan over 65 years old people do not have to register for vaccines it's appointed directly but people under 64 have to register but they can do so with the help of local district officer to their local pharmacy with the local convenience store just calling a local support line so it's very diversified and the reason why we take such diversified way to deliver the public services because these are created by the people those innovations are by the people themselves closest to the pain which is empowered them thank you very much so thank you very much the elderly people have difficulty using registration system but trust citizens and work together that is very important like with the age in the age of sms this can be possible sorry we are running out of time we have only four minutes left last week i'd like to have a dr imamura dr garia dr tan one short comment from each gentleman dr imamura please thank you very much this time we didn't have enough time but we it was great to have a talk with the dr garia and dr tan and communication with the civilians and the government people is important like a disaster or covid there are some areas that people do not follow exactly so double check on the fact with the government and the citizens is important and if it is effective you need to take actions people find it's effective so actions or many majors need to be taken and maybe we should make a standard internationally to work and by sharing the experience from many people from many parts of the world that would be great thank you very much for sharing information today dr garia thanks very much it's been look it's been a very interesting discussion and i think i just finish up by saying i think the public is often viewed as part of the problem and in fact the public is part of the solution in most cases in most disasters the first responders are not the official police and the firefight they are public and so we have to trust the public to react and to build our resilience and to do that we need to educate train and provide the information and listen to what the public is telling us about how they will are likely to respond we have to listen to that and take that into account in our planning so just to finish off what i started off saying chance favors the prepared mind and that's something i i that's a motto i live by and and i and i wish society would do the same thank you very much okay the old three said the last message please Sean um yeah i would like also to echo uh what dr galia has said uh i think in taiwan the most wearing uh communication was so effective precisely because it's not uh based on something that's top down that scholarly or sounds professional it's from a very cute spoke stock she by inu actually that we uh invited people to remix we just put this very cute message of a she by inu the spoke stock putting their food to their mouths uh and uh saying no but the message around that particular picture people including children are free to innovate and we just look at what was really popular back then is this message where a mask to prevent you from touching your own face with your unwashed hand and that is so beautiful because at the time the scientific evidence of masks use uh in uh preventing the virus is still being gathered but this message of course everyone can verify for themselves right is a reminder of hand washing essentially um and so by basing on things that uh adult people or professional people would simply not look at right will simply ignore and taking the children's perspective we actually massively popularized that message and measured the hand wash water use in the water ways uh in the water system uh in in taiwan and it really did uh result in longer hand washing time as well as musky use so the simple anecdote i believe is one of the ideas that is so important when we look at the people public private partnerships where the people ordinary citizens come up with these ideas and norms and so on and the public sector far from fighting them just amplify them and the private sector help to scale it out and scale it up thank you that's my contribution is really a really nice panel thank you very much yeah thank you very much so um japan um the the government uh distributed uh two masks uh per head uh but the uh we should have listened to the voice of the children like you did in taiwan then it could have been a cooler design anyway um but thank you very much and um yeah we'd like to have to say goodbye and a big round of applause to uh old return and minister thank you so much today thank you