The election petition of the Allied People's Movement, the APM against the Independent National Electoral Commission, INEC, the APC, and President Bola Tinibu has been adjourned till Friday, June 9th. The tribunal had adjourned at the last seating. Tinibu parties obtained copies of the judgment in a similar matter of the PDP versus the APC, and Tinibu, which the respondents in this matter say, have been thoroughly dealt with. The matter was adjourned again today on the ground that the councils have not been able to obtain copies of the Supreme Court judgment referred to here. The party was in court for proceedings on its suit challenging the February 21 election of Tinibu and Vice President Kashim Shatema. The APM in its petition contains the withdrawal of Ibrahim Masari, who was initially nominated as the vice presidential candidate of the APC, invalidated Tinibu's candidacy in view of section 131 subsection C and 142 of the 1999 constitution as amended.


I remind members that social distancing measures are in place in the chamber and across the Holyrood campus. I ask that members take care to observe those measures, including when entering and exiting the chamber. Please only use the aisles and what ways to access your seat and when moving around the chamber. The next item of business is a statement by Shirley-Anne Somerville on the OECD report on curriculum for excellence. The cabinet secretary will take questions at the end of her statement, and so there should be no interventions or interruptions. Further to yesterday's Government-inspired question, this afternoon I will update Parliament on one of the key deliverables within our 100 days commitments. This Government's response to yesterday's publication of the OECD's independent review of the implementation of curriculum for excellence. At the outset, I would like to thank the many stakeholders, including the Scottish Practitioner Forum, who shared their experiences with the OECD and whose feedback has helped shape the report and its recommendations. I would also like to thank the OECD themselves, who many in the chamber will recall have worked with Scotland on previous reviews and have wide-ranging international experience and credibility in this area. During my statement to Parliament earlier this month, I made clear this Government's commitment to ensuring the best possible educational experience for children and young people as we emerge from the pandemic. I also signalled my intention to consider a reform process and have underlined the importance of the OECD's findings and recommendations in shaping our approach to improving the way that Scotland's curriculum is implemented. That is why the Scottish Government is accepting the OECD's 12 recommendations in full and that we have published our initial response to each of the recommendations setting out how they will be taken forward. This afternoon's statement is an opportunity to outline some of the key points in our response. First, it is worth highlighting that the OECD have endorsed the continued relevance and ambition of CFE as the right approach for Scotland. Its vision to achieve excellence for all learners, embodied in the four capacities, remains fit for purpose. The report highlights its bold, aspirational, future-orientated approach and states that it continues to be viewed internationally as an inspiring example of curriculum practice. That endorsement is something that I hope we can all unite behind. Furthermore, the OECD acknowledges the efforts made to engage stakeholders throughout our curriculum's life cycle. That engagement has created the necessary conditions for shared ownership and support for its vision, which have given teachers and practitioners the ability to shape and deliver it to adapt to local needs. Ten years since CFE was established, it is right and proper that we review how it is being implemented, so too must we seek to learn from the events brought about by the pandemic. The OECD report notes that there are areas that we need to work on to ensure that our curriculum remains fit for now and the future. I have already made clear my intention to work with all those in education to deliver the reform that is required to improve outcomes. We must ensure that our children and young people can fully benefit from a coherent learning experience from age 3 up to the age of 18. As the OECD has recommended, I am absolutely committed to putting the voices of young people, parents, teachers and schools, as well as other stakeholders at the centre of our education policy. That is why I am today announcing that I will reconvene the Scottish Education Council with our refreshed membership and renewed purpose to support the delivery of the OECD's recommendations, as well as wider education policy, as we move on from Covid-19. Young people will, of course, have seats on that council, but to ensure that the voices of those who are most affected by any changes in education are always held loudly and clearly in strategic discussions. I am also establishing a children and young people's education council to sit alongside the Scottish Education Council. I will chair both of those, and their input and advice will have parity of esteem. I want consideration of the lived educational experience of young people, current teachers, leaders and other practitioners to be fundamental to the work that I do and the decisions that I take as education secretary. It is essential that we take a rights-based approach and that we achieve genuine parity of esteem for young people's views. We will therefore work with children and young people's organisations over the summer on the details of our new arrangements. Those groups will ensure that impactful and representative engagement happens throughout our work to implement the OECD's recommendations and ensure that engagement demonstrates the shape that we wish to make. We know that we must simplify our policies and our institutions so that there is maximum coherence. That includes the need to clarify the roles and responsibilities of national and local bodies involved in delivering and supporting Scotland's curriculum, as well as ensuring that the teacher workforce has the skills, time and capacity to lead, plan and support CFE on the ground. I will come back to our national bodies in a moment. In response to the OECD's recommendation that dedicated time should be provided to school staff to lead, plan and support CFE at school level, we have already committed as a Government to seeing teacher class contact time reduced by one and a half hours per week. We will work with our partners in the SNCT to take forward discussions as to how this can best be achieved. The OECD also identifies a need for the better articulation of assessment methods through BGE and into senior phase, methods that better align with the aims of curriculum for excellence and its four capacities. We will await with interest the outcomes of the OECD's comparative analysis, which is due to be published by the end of August. That will allow us to have initial conversations as to the future of our senior phase qualifications and award, but I want to make clear that I am open to change if change is indeed recommended. To step away from the OECD for a moment, I would like to give a short update on qualifications. We know that learners, teachers and lecturers are keen to understand how qualifications will be awarded in 2022. Feedback from the NQ21 group discussion suggests that there are a range of views on this and a recognition of the needs to carefully reflect on and learn from the on-going experience of this year. The examination diets in 2020 and 2021 were cancelled on the basis of public health advice. I want to be in a position to confirm our central planning assumption for awarding qualifications in 2022 for the start of the school term in August, to give us as much certainty for learners, teachers and the system as possible. That will take account of the state of the pandemic. Last week, the First Minister committed to reviewing our approach to self-isolation for young people identified as contacts, and any changes here could have significant bearing on the extent of disruption for individual learners in the school year and, in turn, on our decision on whether to hold an exam diet or use an alternative model or certification. I know that many stakeholders support us taking the next few weeks to think through those issues and take account of the latest public health advice before we confirm our central planning assumption at the start of the new school term. In my speech to Parliament on 3 June, I announced that we will be considering options for reform so that schools get the best possible support to provide the highest quality of learning and teaching for our children. We need to accelerate the pace of reducing the attainment gap and reduce variability in outcomes achieved by young people in different parts of the country. With that in mind, I signalled my intention to reform Education Scotland in the SQA. I want to be clear that this is not reform for reform's sake. All of the changes that we will make will be guided by the central principle that they improve the experiences and outcomes of children and young people in Scotland's education system. I want to assure learners and candidates across Scotland that those plans will not affect certification and awarding processes in the current and coming academic year. To that end, I also want to acknowledge and thank all those who are working at SQA in the wider profession who are working above and beyond to ensure that learners receive the recognition that they deserve. The OECD review includes important recommendations around the clarity and coherence of the institutions that support our education system. It highlights the unusual configuration of having the inspectorate as part of an organisation that is also responsible for supporting school leaders, curriculum design and teacher professional learning. It also invites us to explore assigning responsibility for curriculum and assessment to a standalone agency. Therefore, I can confirm today my intention to do two things. First, we will move the inspection function out of Education Scotland, as the OECD highlights this can help to balance the dual need for the local flexibility of provision alongside national consistency in outcomes. In addition, I am minded to accept the OECD recommendation to create a new specialist agency that is responsible for both curriculum and assessment, which will replace the SQA. That would help to improve alignment and coherence in those functions, as recommended by the OECD. We will progress implementation with pace that it wants, while change is clearly necessary. I want to move decisively to avoid unnecessary uncertainty. I also want all those affected to have a chance to inform the way in which we respond. I am pleased to announce therefore that we will be appointing Professor Ken Muir, until recently chief executive of the general teaching council, as an adviser to lead this work. I am delighted that Professor Muir has agreed to take up this position, given his knowledge and experience of Scottish education. In progressing this work, Professor Muir will be supported by a dedicated and diverse advisory panel that will be drawn from academia, practitioners, organisational change experts and others. Together, they will lead a wide engagement that ensures that our agencies are designed in a way that maximises the support of excellence and equity for our children and young people. However, let me be clear that this is about designing how to implement the reform. It is not another review, although the OECD has already completed its review, and that gives us a clear sense of direction. I expect Professor Muir to begin his work in August and for it to conclude in around six months' time. What is clear from reading the OECD's report and listening to the debate in education since I took up this post is that there is a clear need for a system-wide response. Neither the Scottish Government nor the teaching profession can do that alone. I therefore welcome the statement from ADES, Education Scotland and the SQA, all of whom have been involved in this work throughout, which outlines their shared commitment to work with the Government to realise those recommendations. The Scottish Government will now work alongside all partners to co-design a more detailed implementation plan on the OECD's recommendations, with a view to publishing that in September. Putting aside political differences, if we can, I hope that members can agree of the importance of us working together as we emerge from the pandemic to maintain our relentless pursuit of excellence and equity in education and to ensuring that our young people realise their aspirations. I look forward to considering the recommendations from the review with my colleagues across the chamber, with learners alongside all those involved in delivering and supporting our young people to succeed in their chosen path. Thank you, cabinet secretary. The cabinet secretary will now take questions on the issues raised in her statement. I hope to lie around 20 minutes for that, after which we must move on to the next item of business. It would be helpful if members who wish to ask a question were to press the request-to-speak buttons now. I remind members and the cabinet secretary that, the more succinct questions and answers we get, we will be able to call everybody, otherwise we won't. Thank you, Presiding Officer. There can be no doubt that the exam system has been a disaster in recent years. Young people know that the SQA has screwed them over, and it's right that the SQA pays the price for its own incompetence. However, the SQA must not be used as a scapegoat for 14 years of SNP failure. Historically, rigorous exams have been a real strength of Scotland's education system, a cornerstone of how we help young people to succeed in life. The problem is leadership, not the foundations. Yet this morning, the cabinet secretary said that she was very open to a debate that could lead to the wholesale scrapping of exams. No Government serious about raising standards in our schools can contemplate such a radical break from tradition. It would further diminish our international standing and remove one of the last hallmarks of Scotland's world-leading system. Will the cabinet secretary clarify that is scrapping exams altogether seriously on the table? Can I be very clear that the OECD is about to have a second report that will come out, as I said in my statement, by the end of August, which looks specifically at qualifications? I think that it's fair, reasonable—if I didn't do this, I'm sure Oliver Mundell would be one of the first ones to criticise me to do so—it's fair and reasonable for the Government to say that we're open to a discussion about what's in that report. I don't know what's in that report at this point, but given the fact that we have said that we've invited the OECD in to undertake a review, to then open that review out and for somehow me to say that I'm not going to be open to whatever they suggest would seem mighty strange. I would ask Oliver Mundell, as I do, to have faith in the OECD to come up with reasonable proposals, suggestions of a way forward and then together we can discuss that with young people and with teachers and together we will come up with something that I hope Oliver Mundell and others will truly support in the way forward. This isn't reform for reform's sake, as I said in my statement. This is listening to internationally renowned experts moving forward with what they suggest if it's right for us after consultation. Michael Marra, thank you, Deputy Presiding Officer. The OECD report is welcome. It is right to praise our education workforce. We welcome the Government's acceptance of the recommendations in full. We have the review, and now is the time for urgent action. After two years of disarray and disastrous leadership, we must immediately rebuild confidence in our education institutions. Later this afternoon, I will lay down a motion in this Parliament. The Government should make the inspectorate independent this week by executive arrangement. It must put in place interim leadership to bring together the curricular functions of Education Scotland in the SQA by the middle of July so that arrangements for 2022 assessment can be on teachers' desks when they return. Given the central role of contact time in holding back the curriculum for excellence, the Government must begin negotiations on a new teacher agreement with COSLA and teaching unions immediately and unlock the funds to restore the cuts to teachers that the cabinet secretary's Government has made. Will the cabinet secretary sign my motion? I look very carefully, as always, with any motion that Michael Marra puts forward. However, what I have said in my statement today is that we have Professor Muir coming in to do a specific period of work over six months to ensure that we work with stakeholders to design the right system. As in many of not all areas of education, differing views on where inspection and other areas should sit should it sit independent of Government, should it sit within Government, as other inspectorates are. There is not one defined solution within the OECD's recommendations and there is not one shared agreement among all stakeholders about where that should be. I share his absolute urgency to move forward on that. That is exactly why I have asked Professor Muir to come in and work with stakeholders to design this system. Six months to make sure that we get this right, taking young people and teachers with us and allowing them to co-design it. With the greatest respect to Michael Marra's motion that he will be putting through, I do not think that he will have went through the due consultation that I am going to be asking Professor Muir to do to move forward with this. As I said in my statement, we will look very seriously at what will be happening in 22 over the summer due to our potential changes in self-isolation, for example, among children and young people. We will use that public health advice to move forward as quickly as possible with the determination of what is happening for 2022 qualifications. That is not dependent on any of the changes that we are about to make. That sits separately from that. I can assure him that the discussions that we are already having about the reduced contact time with teachers is on the agenda, and it has been discussed. We hope to move forward with that absolutely at pace. There is a lot in that statement to welcome. For 10 years, students have been let down by completely unnecessary misalignment between the exam system and the curriculum in Scotland, and the body is responsible for both of consistently failed to deliver or even to listen. That needs to be more than just a rebrand. The structural, cultural and policy failures at the SQA must be left behind alongside the body itself. Given that the Government has committed to accepting all OECD recommendations, can I ask for its response to the report's criticism of P1 to S3 standardised assessments and the recommendation to reintroduce a sample-based evaluation system instead? Will the failed SNSA testing system now be scrapped too? Can I thank Ross Greer for his question and reassure him once again, as I hope has been demonstrated by the GIQ yesterday in the statement today, this is certainly not a rebranding exercise but a serious piece of reform. With the aspects around the Scottish National Standardised assessments, that was not a specific recommendation that came through within the OECD's report. It is mentioned, and I am aware that it was mentioned in the webinar yesterday. However, national standardised assessments are a key element of our improvement agenda as part of the national improvement framework. They allow us to have consistent, objective and comparable information, and he will be well aware of the independent review that took place in 2019. That concluded that assessments have a valuable potential and should be continued, albeit with some important changes, which we will absolutely take forward. The OECD's recommendations are infuriatingly familiar. The shortcomings could have been addressed long ago. Teachers and pupils should have been listened to earlier and the Scottish Parliament should have been listened to earlier. Teacher workload was front and centre of the OECD's concerns.  Will the cabinet secretary commit to a full review of teachers' terms and conditions? To be to his wish, Parliament and others called on the Government to look very seriously at the curriculum for excellence. As part of that, we invited the OECD in, and on the day of the publication of the report, we have brought forward our initial response to that. I genuinely think that you could not ask for a Government response quicker to a report than what we did yesterday. On the aspects of teacher workload, we are looking, as I said earlier, to ensure that we fulfil our manifesto commitment to reduce teacher contact time by one and a half hours per week. That will assist with workload pressures and ensure that teachers have more time to develop lessons and their planning for the curriculum. I also point out to our commitment within our 100-day document to ensure that we are increasing teacher numbers by 1,000 in classroom assistance by 500 as part of our commitment to 3,500 additional teachers in classroom assistance over the parliamentary term. I welcome the publication of the OECD report. As an ex-teacher, I thank our current teachers, parents and young people as they prepare to break for the summer holidays. As we know, this has been a particularly challenging year for so many. Having already been contacted by many educators, including within the Kelvin constituency, the recommendation of replacing the SQA is particularly significant. Can I ask the cabinet secretary how she will ensure that the concerns, views and voices across university schools and further education colleges will be heard during the process of creating a new organisation that is informed by personal and professional experiences and is fit for purpose? Once again, I thank teachers and young people. As the First Minister has just done during her statement for everything that they have done over the past 15 months, the support that teachers and support staff have given to young people has been extraordinary and young people's ability to persevere through some of the most difficult circumstances any of us can imagine has been fantastic to see. We continue to support them during that process. As I said during my statement, I will reconvene the Scottish Education Council but, importantly, we are looking to refresh the membership and give it a renewed purpose. It very clearly looks at the delivery of the OECD's recommendations as well as wider education policy. Very important for me is the new children and young people's education council, which will certainly have parity of esteem with the Scottish Education Council. That will, at least to begin with, work alongside the Covid education recovery group. I can absolutely reassure Cocab Stewart that the organisations and the stakeholders that she mentioned will play an important part in the process, as we make sure that we are engaging with all stakeholders as closely as we can. Pam Gouzzard will be followed by Bob Doris. The OECD's report points out the lack of clarity in the curriculum on the role of knowledge. Professor Lindsay Paterson has even said that the report did not go far enough in stressing the importance of knowledge creation being firmly included in the curriculum. Does the cabinet secretary agree that the knowledge creation is an important part of an effective education system and will the cabinet secretary therefore commit to ensuring that this importance is made explicit throughout the Scotland's curriculum? I am sure that Lindsay Paterson and others will express their views strongly over the next six months and, indeed, beyond how we can take forward this reform. It is an important opportunity for everyone with views on education, and it is strongly held that they can take part in the process and ensure a wide engagement in that. I think that it is fair at this point for me to leave the work of Professor Muir to develop, but I am sure that he will listen very carefully to voices right across education, regardless of who they are and what particular areas they think we should go further on and make sure that we are taking cognisance of that as we move forward. I am sure that other stakeholders will come forward with ideas to the Scottish Education Council to make those voices heard. Can I ask the cabinet secretary if the Scottish Government is open to considering expanding the use of continuous assessment and embedding teacher judgment within certification in the senior phase more generally, reduce the over reliance on high-stakes exit exams for final grades and where exit exams do continue, challenge previous assumptions on matters such as the waterfall effect, which often constrain the grades of some young people, particularly in my constituency? As I said in my answer to Oliver Mundell, we are looking very carefully at what the OECD will say on qualifications and assessments and particularly the fact that we need to develop approaches to make sure that that aligns better with the four capacities and curriculum for excellence philosophy, and we await the outcomes of their second report expected in the autumn. I have said that I am open to change on that, but I have said that as well. That will not be a simple process. There are many different views, and I think that we have heard two, at least in the chamber so far, about the best way forward for that. I am very cognisant of the fact that the OECD talked about a 19th century model that we seem to have while still moving forward with curriculum for excellence. I think that it is only right that we see what we need to do to reform that, if that is indeed what the OECD recommends. I am very grateful, Deputy Presiding Officer. From the outset, it is disappointing in the advisory panel that is being drawn up to assist Professor Muir that young people do not get a mention there. My question relates to the thanks that you have given the SQA. Can I ask about a Government-initiated question that was released at 3.02 pm yesterday afternoon, announcing that last year's outstanding exam appeals for those who sat in 2020 cannot be reopened? Will the Cabinet Secretary be writing to each of these appellants that sit on her desk, telling them that their appeal is going nowhere, and that this is just another blow to young people's rights? The advisory panel has not been drawn up yet, so bear with us. Do not please assume that young people will not be on that, but it is important that Professor Muir has just been asked to take up the post. He will begin that work in August, and it is only right that he is involved in who is in the advisory panel. That is not for me to set up, but it would certainly be something that, given what I have said in my statement about the importance that I place on children and young people's views on this, they are very open to it. However, Professor Muir will have his views and, quite rightly, we will take that discussion forward with him. He points to the GIQ that we had yesterday on the exam repeals. I look carefully at that very seriously since taking up the post. However, it is exceptionally difficult to see away how we can have a fair and credible appeals system at this point. However, there is the ability for anyone who still feels that they should have had an appeal with the grounds that the SQA did have in place for the 2020 year qualifications for them to take that forward at this time. I would like to address learners with additional support needs. Can the cabinet secretary tell us what specific work the Re-established Scottish Education Council will undertake to ensure that any future plans for the qualification and assessment processes will also benefit learners who require additional support, particularly those in the senior phase? Gillian Martin has always raised an important point. That is to ensure that when we are working through the Scottish Education Council and, indeed, when we are working through any policy and practice within Scottish education, we ensure that what we are having in place works for every child and every young person. That includes those with additional support needs. We will engage widely to ensure that future plans and assessment do hold to that and are accessible for all learners. Any reforms will be informed by the OECD's comparative analysis that is expected in the autumn that I have mentioned previously, and will, of course, be fully impact-assessed in relation to equality and children's rights and wellbeing. Within the cabinet secretary's statement, she confirmed that the SQA will now be reformed. Given that the SNP Government was aware of the OECD report months ago, can I ask why the Scottish Government waited until this point to announce that the body will be scrapped, especially when our young people have endured yet another exam fiasco this year due to the incompetency of the SQA and the SNP Government? As Megan Gallacher would, I hope, agree, we should move forward when we have the final conclusions of our report, rather than drafts, particularly when a group such as the OECD are continuing to work with stakeholders to see whether any changes will be made to that. Of course, we will move quickly when we have reports through, but it is also imperative that we ensure that we wait for final recommendations, rather than making assumptions. We have moved very quickly when we have the OECD's recommendations and have already moved very quickly to establish an independent adviser that will now take that specific recommendation forward. I ask the cabinet secretary what impact will the OECD review recommendations have on the Government's wider work on closing the attainment gap and ensuring that pupils from our most deprived backgrounds have the greatest opportunity to achieve better outcomes and to guarantee that we will deliver excellence and equity for all pupils? The Scottish Government welcomes the OECD review's recognition that improvement in tackling poverty-related attainment and the impact on socioeconomic status on performance is among the lowest levels across OECD countries. We also note that there is a greater proportion of resilient young people from less well-off backgrounds who perform at high levels. The Scottish Government has demonstrated its continued commitment to closing the poverty related attainment gap, and that is specifically through, for example, the £1 billion investment that we will be taking forward over this parliamentary term. We will now move on to the next item of business. Although front-benchers are potentially changing their positions,


I knew she wasn't right in the head when she ate a skin cancer sandwich right in front of me. We forgot to make tea. Doesn't matter. OK. Hey, everyone, look, it's episode number 31. That's right, we're on the home stretch now. We've got 10 episodes left of the season. So these next 10 are going to be so good, man. We're trying a new segment this week called Secrets. We're just going to read out lots of secrets from our fans like and we read some of them. And I was like, oh, my God, man, remember, it's crazy. Remember that we read some and it was like crazy shit, man. Look at what Michael's wearing. It looks like Barney's been raped by a massive football team.  Do you remember Barney? Yeah. What about the one who's a McDonald's purple dude? Oh, grimace. We forgot to talk about this the other day when we were going through TV shows. Who remembers Johnson and Friends?  The elephants. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. No, no, they're good boys. Hey, they're good boys.  Because that's going to be us, whatever they're doing now. That's what we'll be doing on where all the.  Yeah.  Yeah, he's like purple. He's got a blue head or something. Yeah. Oh, it's yellow.  Yeah, he's yellow in the thing, but he's got a blue head. Yep. Sorry. I attacked you then. I apologize. It's all good. Guys, it's been a very stressful period of our lives. I'll tell you why. All right. So as you all know, we make our bulk of our living from Facebook and YouTube views. And very recently, our Facebook group was deleted permanently. One hundred and fifty thousand members. That is a good effort or gone. Very engaging group. We loved it, you know, as we're funneling a lot of our cool fans. Gone. Woke up, boom, gone. Not only that, because it's connected to our Facebook page. Our Facebook page might also be getting deleted now. No joke.  For no reason, flagged for terrorism.  Our page was flagged for terrorism because our Facebook page got deleted. Trying to contact people of Facebook, our group. Sorry, trying to contact people of Facebook. No, no one can help.  You can't you can't make a living.   And so if you want to support us, please subscribe to our website. OK, universe, soon we're going to be gone. It's all going to be on an app soon. It's all going to be much, much better. So sign up to the website. That's where we're putting all of our awesome content, because we can't post the shit that we want to post to social media anymore. Because if we make it gets deleted, if we make one more slight mistake now from now for the next three months, our page will be gone forever. So we've got a backup page as well on Facebook. So go give that a follow, because if our page is gone and guess what, we're going to have to start posting to our backup Facebook page, which is like seven and a half K page likes or something. Shit like that. Do you know how hard and how long it's taken to get to that?  We've got a restriction on Instagram, so we don't grow on Instagram anymore. No one can tell us why we have a restriction. Nothing was removed.  It's like it's been very stressful, but we've been filming. We've got videos backed up and we're ready to start posting again this Sunday. But if you all of a sudden can't find our Facebook page anymore, it's been deleted and we're probably going to have to go back to being tennis coaches. Exactly. If you guys want lessons, all right, we'll do them for what? 40 an hour. We used to charge 70. You just start. You used to charge 100. Sometimes I charge well over 100.  No, we should be fine. And you know, we thought about it worst case scenario. We lose the Facebook page. We'll just promote the website with our Instagram, TikTok and YouTube still. Plus, we have this beautiful podcast that we that we just do for fun. I have acne.    Anyway, yeah, so that's been our life the last week. It's been quite a stressful little period. What else has been going on? I think we've got a few brand deals we're doing now because we're accepting them.   So yeah, we're tennis coaches. But we're now officially tennis coaches. But we're very grateful for the website subscribers. Thank you. You guys are making our lives still a possibility that we can just do this full time. OK, but if we didn't have that website, we would be so scared.     Imagine that sound. Do the gag sound.   Oh, there's always that we can turn to. Yes, actually, if we do get it yet, we'll go porn before tennis coaches. Porn, drug dealing, tennis coaching in that order, all three at the same time. But we should be fine. Well, we're not that we're not that worried, but it's just going to be stressful. Fuck, man. It's like we've got friends that are getting demonetised for nothing. It's like it's really difficult to be an influencer at the moment. I know a lot of people are taking a real job now.  I can't go.  Matt, what would happen? They'd say, I've seen you. I know who you are.    Those kids wouldn't respect me. Oh, the parents wouldn't get the job to begin with. The parents would have a stern word. We've startled Bosley. Sorry, Bosley. You're talking with me. So yeah, that's the news. So yeah, we're stopping social media. Well, no, we're not. But we're we're we've got to try to scare him for a second. We've got to tread carefully for a little bit. All right, but yeah, we'll be fine. Don't worry about us.  Matt, you've had some if tell him. Matt, tell him he doesn't want to. Don't pressure him. You can just tell him parts of it. Can you see my acne from there? Yeah, I can.  That's how stressed I am from all this. I can't you pointed at it. Now it now it's very clear to me that you've pointed out. Do you remember that I'm a teenager when we first started podcast? We were demonetized shortly after. Remember that I was looking through the podcast the other day. And there's one wedding and we made it through. So we'll make it through. We'll be fine.  This is losing our page. Yeah, but we got a million people. Yeah, but we got other we'll be fine. We'll just it'll if you want to help us, please get to the university. Anyway, moving right along. That's what else because that's all we have. That's what's safe.  If the gods of Facebook are listening by any chance. Yeah, they always are. We got a phone like I don't want them listening. Please don't please Facebook. God, just leave us alone. Just look at someone else. We're following all rules. Please just don't even look into us. Just leave us be. God, I just love to know Mark. Is it Mark? Is that his name? The fuck's the leader of Facebook's name, Mark?     And what happened there? Oh, guys, you get to see Matt. He's in his underwear. Matt and his undies, eh?  Speaking of Matt and his undies, I saw him creeping through the bedroom windows at 3 a.m. so we could start his research. Oh, yeah. And wow, Matthew.  Did we offend anyone this week? Not yet. Or last week? Not yet. Look, there might be some people. The week's not over yet. There's a couple of things here that are a bit touchy. You know what I mean? I don't know, let's jump straight in. On this day in 2016, Conor McGregor was found to be using elderly men as sparring partners. The 80-plus-year-old men were lured to his gym with the promise of a game of bingo. Once there, the coaches put them straight in the ring and Conor would have 30 seconds to render them unconscious with experimental moves like the no-look coward punch and the heart stopper, which is a straight kick directly to the heart. The elderly men would then be dragged from the ring and placed in a large industrial bin outside. It is believed that Conor spied with the elderly men to improve his confidence.  Is he gonna fight again? Yeah. Matt? Fightin' soon.  How old is she? 15. He's like 28, I think.  Oh, hang on. I think he's 30. I think he's 30. Do you reckon? Matt's gonna check. You can hear him typing, everyone. Listen. Listen closely. Yeah. Shh.  So he's older than us. So we've still got a few couple of years to reach that wealth if we were to compare lives or even to skills. Maybe we should just start bashing dogs. Anyway, on this day in 2008, LeBron James invested in buying and selling helicopters. Oh, he would buy old damaged helicopters and fix them and then sell them, usually to fellow athletes. His helicopter business was booming until early this year when he recently sold one to his good friend, Kobe Bryant. I'm not sure exactly what happened, but there were a few issues with it and Kobe didn't really like it or something. Who's LeBron James? That basketball dude. Never heard of him. He just won the NBA championship at the Lakers. Well, it'd be interesting to find out what happened to Kobe at the MMA Moca-Google. Because nothing on it, but LeBron James is probably the next best player since Jordan. That's crazy. Wow. We might get Kobe on here. I'll give him a call. He can come over with his helicopter. Apparently he loves flying them. Is that right, man? You, Brent? Is it? Is that great? He likes flying helicopters. He's just a passenger, usually. Okay. Interesting. I'm not sure what's going on there, but... I'm sure there's a joke hidden deep in there somewhere, isn't there? I have acne. On this day in 1987, Tony Robbins broke his snout while frolicking with other horses. They were galloping near the boundary fence when Tony stepped into a pothole. He snapped his knee and went flying face first into the fence. His snout was badly broken and needed nine steel screws in it to hold it in place. After the incident, Tony stopped playing with the other horses and thought it was time to grow up. He started his stand-up comedy career shortly after. And although his audience rarely laughs at his jokes, he still manages to sell out venues and has become very successful. His name is... Is that... Name him a comedy. Name a movie with Shallow Howl's Inn. That's Shallow Howl's Inn. Shallow Howl. Fuck, it gave it away. Jack Black. It gave it away. Tony Robbins is in Shallow Howl. I knew it. See?  You gave the answer in the question. Yeah, I'm just stressed. I've got acne. My page is almost gone. Oh, in 2015, Paris Hilton released her new perfume range called My Menstration. She developed the formula herself and even added her own actual menstruation in. Paris promoted a new perfume bought range by throwing buckets of the scent onto the audience during her DJing gigs. The bottles of perfume had to be recalled, however, when a number of people developed blood infections and three ladies even became pregnant from the perfume. My name is Matt Brown and I research these personally. Wow, fun facts. This is going from last week's episode. We were talking about Nick Carter. Oh, yeah. He's from the Backstreet Boys. He dated Paris Hilton. Nick or? Nick. And guess what? Menstration.  Menstration? Aaron Carter. Check Aaron Carter out. He used to be a little kid. Yeah, and now he's grown up.  He's got dreads and stuff in the moment. Nah, he's got a face tat. Man, it was entertaining.  Paris Hilton is putting her own periods. If you want to feel better about yourself, watch those interviews. Anyway, I've almost lost my page. Putting her periods into the... Surely that is... It's got to be against the law. Some sort of review standard there that stops people from doing it. Apparently, Nick Carter was accused of beating Paris Hilton. Yeah, I've heard that. And apparently, Aaron talks about Nick Carter raping. They were just sparring.  I watched House of Carter's, a reality TV show with all the Carter's.  God! Oh, yeah. Is that new or old? It's like 2006, very old. Listen to this. It's on YouTube. Anyway, I've got a great life. This is the PO Box thing that we picked up today. Listen to what's inside. Sounds like, I don't know, you tell me, pills. It feels like one of those fucking... Oh, yeah? We have to go open it now or later. Wait! Let's do our prediction. Three. Oh. I know, we'll do the questions first and then we'll have a feel of this and we'll make our predictions. Yeah, you stop jumping segments. Yeah, we can't help ourselves. I'm excited. I'm excited, all right.   And there's a segment where we just answer questions that you guys have sent in on YouTube, DM'd asked questions. We're gonna, by the way, we're gonna keep the question segment a bit shorter this week. And then, so there's room for our secret segment. I wanna read out some of these secrets. It's insane, Michael. Pull these hair a bit and then deny.  Whoa, that was good.  Why are you looking at questions? Isn't it my turn?  I've got 10 from YouTube. Yeah, that'll do.  Sorry, everyone who sent them in. Oh, I had a guy write, The Amati Police speak German several times, but. Shit, I don't do that anymore. They live here in Australia. All right, this one is from bad Photoshopper. Bad Photoshopper. I can feel my pimples on my face. I can seriously feel them. Hey, bad Photoshopper might be able to help you. Page isn't really gone. Do humans actually feel pain? Only, oh, yeah. And as scientists of pain, you should be able to answer that. Well, yeah, you can see, that's a pretty easy question to answer. Just watch that video.  We should get that, maybe. That sounds for a video. We should get that and then we can do some, the experiments, there will be no bounce the experiments we can perform, I tell him. Dimensions and forearms. Dimensions and forearms. Dimensions and forearms. Next question. This one comes from JC. Doubt it. Can humans grow?  So is JC reminding us? JC? Fuck! Yeah, we do an experiment called can humans grow like plants or do humans just grow like humans? So, and you know, some pretty interesting results. Tell him. Pretty interesting results, man. Pretty, tell him. Next question. This one is from Kitchen Demon.  No, it is. It sounds like some sort of kitchen appliance brand. Our page is almost gone. But it's gone. Demon. I've got acne. If you guys could have a threesome with absolutely anyone in the world, who would they be? And it doesn't matter if they've already kicked the bucket.  Steven. So I'm guessing you have to be your girlfriend and someone extra. Us two, together. Oh, OK. I'll do that. Surely, that's what the question means. Sorry, that is right. Yeah. Well, Steven, for you, I'm not going to say the same answer.  You can get lots of little crevices. You can stick things in and little pockets of air everywhere and slippery bits. Lots of saliva. Yeah, lots of drool.  So he'd be a good laugh. You could roll him in sand and see where all the moisture is. I would probably have a threesome with. Oh, are you? I don't know if you guys know, but yeah, there's this massive, massive, like I'm talking at least twice the size of your average cow up in Rockhampton. There's this monster cow. What's his name? Brahman, Brahman with heaps of A's, A-H-H-H-H-H hyphen. Is it a man or a woman? It's a big old cow.  It's a Brahmi. Is it dairy? I'd say. What do you call them, the Brahman? Brahman.     Do they kick back when you go up behind there? It is a struggle.  Let me tell you half of it Right now, okay next question The next one is from a call of duty 23 Lopez Who I think is a regular because I've seen that If you and Marty were both wearing sumo suits who would win in a fight Well, I'm a lot heavier. Yeah, he's stronger than me. I would say probably myself but if we went for a Run in sumo suits Michael would probably bloody be very close evenly matched. Isn't that right Michael? That is correct Martin He's a fit boy.  Don't you think so? Don't you think so my friend? Yeah, I'm thinking that sorry Listen to this Sounds like a door isn't yeah, isn't that right?  Oh you blocked my nose up usually I get an email warning first You blocked my nose and ears page is nearly gone Next one is from Lachlan wall When shami make an appearance.     It's funny when we used to go traveling As the as the because we go for long periods of time And we'd be drunk the entire time and as the trip went on Michael's hemorrhoids would appear and I was like little bloody Little signs that we're having a good time. Wouldn't it?  I remember you can't cough You can't sit down. It hurts too much. Oh, you get that painful. Oh, yeah, but I didn't stop I haven't had one yet.  You don't stop when the hemorrhoids come You stop you get used to the pain. It's like it's like having a headache. Yeah I think next question is from Sarah irons What tattoo do you regret ever getting none? I love them all dearly. I love my first as much as I love my last They're not good quality. They don't look good. We started self-harming Yeah, what did you say Michael something whispered something about self-harming I believe I'm just so down. No, no, I thought yours would be your ex-girlfriend's name We I didn't even listen to the question Repeat it and just to be clear. We are not self-harming everyone and we don't know what tattoo Do you regret ever getting pages nearly gone?  Oh None and either one not not even the ex getting tattooed on you. Oh, yeah That was me. I put that there Yeah, I had that for years, but I got that covered up Is that worse than or was that worse than getting herpes on your ass? It's funny having that there and I've got like Perot's name there now. That's alright. That's nice Yeah, I just had to get that one covered up.   They are unique. I won't lie. They are very unique Shake my hand The next next question is from Boogamon star. I doubt that What types of tea do you boys drink? Green I like my green teas and ginger glow Get on board with it Lemon grass Did you hear that? It sounded like half-frog. It sounded like the grudge. It's so fairy Next question is from Johnny Reb. Johnny, I don't get your question. I'm gonna read it out Maybe you can put a comment in and explain but he says have you ever bought a pair of gloves? Like like gloves like yeah gardening gardening gloves boxing gloves gardening gloves gloves that look good. We bought Just gloves Yeah, all sorts of different types of gloves. Isn't I want to hear Johnny Rebs story behind him buying gloves Next question is from Ben stiller and he says and this is a final question by the way What's your most censorship will take us? What's your most crazy psychedelic story? He did say skits, but Oh, man, I've been with the mechanical elves.  It was like I remember lying under the just lying on the ground looking up at the ceiling fan I could see the wind coming off the ceiling fan, and it was storming that night and man.  What what?    Oh, that's that I've got way worse And I don't even make him secret.  Yeah, we've got headphones on mate. You can bloody hear You can hear it. Oh, it's such a thick air. It's grass.         Wow. He was one of the guys who went to Argentina and kidnapped Adolf Eichmann the architect of the Holocaust's final solution It was an international mega story and they just made a movie. Yeah, I asked what the movie was I really wanted to watch it.   How crazy is it?  Did you know that? Yeah, there's a whole series called hunting Hitler, which Hitler? Yeah, there is a conspiracy that he got away like I don't know much about that But fuck, that's crazy. But I think the film he's referring to is called operation finale or final gas And it looks like Ben Kingsley plays that adult Eichmann Ben Kingsley's a legend Next secret secret for the podcast So I live in the United States. I'm a husband a father of four or former teacher and I am also a peeping Tom It's been a fun hobby of mine for years I've been caught several times and I've paid dearly each time I've been fired from the school the post office and Almost and most recently a gas station.  I go to court next Thursday Jesus Cut that one out.    It's not just a one-off.  So if it's if it's you know, just go down swinging if it's bringing him joy Go for it.  Maybe you like people.   Oh Wait, wait, it's probably wait.   Remember.   Excuse me Matthew. What an assumption to make are you saying every one knows every other country except for Australia's Incessual is that what you're saying? I don't say every country. I said some That's pretty much the same these days mate. That's like saying little or big Have you know same thing Tasmania is right with incessualness.  I really want to go there Not for that Just for the mountains. You've got a sister. You've got a sister. Have you ever when's the last time you saw your sister? Surely you boys would have seen your sisters naked before memory.   I can't remember. Honestly, I'm not okay. Well, give me a right before 10 before 10 So not as you're really having to have boobs. Yeah I don't know about that boy. When's the last time you saw your brother's Maybe a quarter glimpse when we live together in Brisbane, oh You got it adult style 10 years ago.  Yeah It reeks in here.  Excuse me. I am trying to read secrets Okay, proceed my parents thought I worked three jobs in order to buy my first home when in fact I was a prostitute for three years. Damn. I actually saw that one and she's got a Photo with a looks to be made me husband. No, that's too much. I don't know we can give that away We're revealing too much. What do you mean everyone's oh, yeah, you're right No one else has got a husband in this world. No, but it rules out a lot of people. You know me Okay, boyfriend. I don't know if they're married or not.  All right, we want to make any more assumptions It's going stop putting that out there. Do you manifest that I'm gonna be so cross with you Cranky Anyway, what would we do? What do you mean? We've already talked about that.  I felt like it was payback time I noticed she had left her son roof open on the car I grabbed her dog twisted its head off and threw it into the car. No, I'm light I made that last bit up.   It's pretty funny their last name And they all had red hair red curly hair, okay or dole.    We just didn't I don't know It was you had no respect.    No, it was just chance. That's so good I'm enjoying that and the same family.  Did I tell you this one time? Anyway, we walked it and we'll just say for our friends place play and PlayStation Have a fun and then our other friend was walking over to that place Went past the car and the car got turned on While he was walking past and the ball shot out and hit our friend On the way to our place So he got it was karma in our group.  Yeah, that's a great story We could what turning cars into guns carb car cannon Wait that reminds me Carl Stepanovic DM'd us the other day You guys know Carl. Yeah the morning show guy. What do you want?  Oh, we've messaged a lot and and so I second of march must have been drunk or something This I sent this message to Carl. Hey, mate. Just me here. Are we still on for friday morning drinks? Bring some mints And he said he replied just last saturday for sure And then I replied saying Carl, mate, I don't even remember sending you that that was back in march Hope you're well, buddy.  If you don't know who wim Hof is going YouTube him and watch that vice documentary.  He's the ice man. Okay. He's pretty much the next jesus christ I love that guy Don't anyway.  That is the end of secrets.  We have heaps of them.  You can't see peo box 256 tagam 4018 queenland australia All right, now first we're gonna have a bit of a feel and see if we can guess what this is My guess is that is a small container containing Who is it?  Oh, it's thick Thick air Hey sharp eye for you. I sort of forgot what we're talking about and then but uh, what do we do? I we're guessing what this is.  Okay What happened?  Oh, I just did it hurts. Yes, dude Yeah, you're not meant to do that.    Oh, man. It's like here.  I think we got valiums Don't don't say that.  I'm gonna laugh it is All right, it's a little jar. What do we have here? Oh, it's the berries We got the berries This wasn't in the po box.   I can't see anymore.  It's good. They're okay. Okay. Are they healthy? Yeah, pardon So now I'm gonna have this uh, just lemon juice. It's 99% lemon juice. Usually very sour Bottoms up Not bad I wouldn't say sweet, but definitely not bad at all.   There we go. Just a couple of limes there too, bro Now we've got a lime here.    I can't find the instagram message anymore Thank you. We're gonna do a video On our university Matt Oh Hmm yum, we better not have any more though because otherwise, okay one more All right moving on to our next segment Michael's favorite. We have Time Walls beautiful.  I don't think it's half as I can I'm pinching it as hard as possible right now. It hardly hurts actually.  Okay I don't know I paid that up. I made that up. Papers is rock.  I'm gonna go paper. See is this paper rock Oh A double triple bluffed any Fucked it. All right. So what do you want to do? You want to pick the body part first or do you want to do the pinching first pinching first? Okay, my body part is the elbow Oh, that's good Hard as you can tear it. I want to dig my nails in and make him bleed.  It's a pinch.   Look Oh, yuck. Why do you bleed so easily just a bit of plight a bit of pressure to his skin Leprosy at least the berries will make the blood paste sweet. Mm-hmm All right, what body part do you want me to pinch on you cap? You can't be a little bit painful if you get it, right?  It's genius Um I would say my lip if your fingers weren't all bloodied up. Yeah, I'm all bleeding somebody just take a back of the arm just for the fans Um I'm gonna say I'm gonna say My wrist Oh Tangling feeling my wrist tangling clinkling tangling clinkling Ah, I can't go as hard as I can too Uh, I know my body part the palm the palm the palm Oh Can you cut with one hand show me?  I just got sent this uh before we get into this I just got sent I'm just a notification come on another dm a secret your page is gone Stop putting that out there Someone said I steal balls of wine and someone else said I once fingered my best mate's ass in self-defense I thought I was going for the pressure point under his armpit It turned out it was his asshole How do you mess that up must be it must have been a dark room Matthew Brown Jeffrey Epstein Yeah, my name's um drae Thompson I left more um richie may be like um last week on like I think Wednesday last week And I was just wondering like is anyone had a chance to Give a look yet because when I drop it off or the manager said That he'd give me a call back in the next couple of days and it's been like seven days now and Yeah, I was just wondering like if you guys had a chance to read for it yet Or like if you need any more information on that because like I'm ready to go. I'm ready to go. You know pumped Yeah, I'm not quite sure. Um, he's not in at the moment. He he went home A bit early today. I'm knowing that we've been pretty busy. Um, so it's for the weekend Um, when you have been pretty busy, I'm not so sure whether he has had a look at it. Sorry No, that's all right.  They they downsizing on that So like I've got to I've got move on, you know, I've got to put food in the table and that but I'm willing to put Put in the hard yards first But I can um, I can let them know when I see them Right No, what what what I'm thinking, right? Well, like like play this and like try to be like open mind and hero I'll rock up tomorrow morning, right? And I say like I'm I'm ready to work And then I like I work for whatever however as long as you want me there I'll work and like like I'll just I'll just do whatever he's want like help out of like clean the floors and all that Whatever he's don't want to do I'll do it And like because then right the manager will be like far out like this guy's working for free whoever said Yes to this bloke coming in must be smart and follow to right and that's you that's you So that's that's you right because we're talking now if you say yeah, yeah come on in tomorrow free trial, right? You guys get extra worker, right? Plus I get the free trial. I can show the boss want to what a good what a good bloke I am What a hard worker I am so win win there the bowling alley, right the bowling alley wins Because you got extra spare set of hands there work and work on the floor And you win I'll totally understand mate Look look listen mate, what what time do you boys open in the morning? Is nine nine o'clock or something nine o'clock or something? Yeah Yeah mate, mate, I totally understand right but hear me yet, right? Do you got you got keys in that to lock up, right? Even even even if I did have keys may I wouldn't be able to no no no no no no I know I know I'm not I'm not I'm not, I wouldn't ever ask that of you, but I'm saying, right If maybe are you working tomorrow you working there tomorrow because like we might as well start again and know each other I will be, I will be in at some point tomorrow. No worries, we might as well start, we might as well start, what was your name again, mate? It's Bob. Boss? Bob. Bob, alright, Bob. Well, my name's Dray, Dray Thompson Bob, and I'm gonna rock up tomorrow. I know you can't let me in on nothing and you have to say no and you can't talk to a boss tonight, right? But I'm gonna rock up 835 on the dot. That's when the bus gets in about 827.  I've already worked it all out, already timed it all out, already drawn it on my map. I'll get there at 834, right? Ready to work, and all buddy, when that boss rocks up, I'll have a chat to him, right? I'll have a big old chat to him, see if he's keen to have me on, and if he says yes, I'll put in my bloody hardware, put in 110%, right? But if he says no, I'll turn, I'll put my hands up, say I'll try it and I'll turn around and say, buddy, Bob's a good bloke.  I'll say that.    No worries, mate. Yeah, mate, you can come up, you can speak to him when we open. I don't know whether he'll say yes or no, but um... That's all I'm gonna need, bro. All I can say is what I have been saying to you. No, mate, that's... She's got to hurry and say yes or no. Totally get it, Bobby. Totally get it, brother.   And I'll come in the morning and bowl on our perfect games. We're gonna get a movie later on, eh, brother? Too easy, man. No worries, I'll see you in the morning, Bobby. They're gonna think that he's gonna fucking... He's gonna tell his staff member he's co-workers he says something fucking... He's like, yeah, he's not my friend, he's not my friend.  Like, they'll come in and out, and then some cops will come back out.  I wonder what he thinks is wrong. He was so friendly. He took that so well. I would have been like, dude, I was just gonna be honest with you, but it's not gonna...  I didn't even say that.  Do not mention my name. That was good, that worked out really well. Which it is, dude. Bob's on the job hunt. Oh, Dre? I just thought of Darren and Dre. Dre! Oh, next one should be Cain. Cain Dre. My name's Cain Dre. We're the best. We're the best. We're the best.


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Heath is wondering what Mike's thoughts are on the eternal sonship doctrine? Yeah, I think the best way to answer this is I don't believe in adoptionist Christology, so you know Godhead thinking is clear to me in the Old Testament You know you have the binatarian thing once you understand binatarianism you're gonna see places where the spirit is brought into the discussion You're gonna see the spirit talked about in similar ways that the second Yahweh figure has talked about And if we have a Godhead that means you have three persons who are co-eternal So I would be in the the eternal you know sonship I'm trying to remember what the terminology was here exactly eternal sonship because eternal sonship is related to but not the same as the eternal Subordination the subordinationism or not so without you know going down too many rabbit trails here I think the best way to just answer this question is I don't believe in adoptionist Christology Godhead thinking is clear to me in the Old Testament And if that's the case You know when it gets carried over to the New Testament where Jesus is the second Yahweh figure and then the spirit is but isn't Jesus there You have your three you have Trinitarianism you don't need an adoptionist model in the New Testament if you have Godhead thinking go all the way back into the Old Testament Heath's second question is if a Binotarian accepts the orthodox Trinitarians view of the father and son but differs on the personality of the Holy Spirit Would a Trinitarian still be able to view that binotarian as a brother in Christ Well, I'm gonna assume here that when he says differs on the personality the Holy Spirit that what he means is doesn't think the Holy Spirit Is part of the Godhead that's it That's actually a different question than whether the Holy Spirit is a person or not But I think that's probably what the question intends So let's say can a person who's binotarian and not Trinitarian Trinitarian, you know still be considered a brother in Christ or something like that. That that's what I'm hearing in the question I would say I think that failure to see the three and one in Scripture is Just that it's a failure, you know again once you understand binotarianism Trinitarianism derives from two trajectories essentially You know, you've got two powers language applied to the spirit In other words, the spirit is brought into the discussion and again not made Precisely and and totally distinct from the other two, but the spirit is talked about in the same ways in Particular as the second Yahweh figure gets talked about minus the embodiment But there's this blurring of the spirit the spirit is brought into the conversation as it as it were with the Invisible Yahweh and the visible Yahweh, you know, the anthropomorphized Yahweh and they are interchanged I mean that that's one trajectory and then second Seeing how Jesus is the second Yahweh figure the second person and then noting how the New Testament identifies the spirit with him With Jesus in certain passages, you know, and I talk about this in unseen realm a lot where at least at least I spent a couple pages on it You have passages where the spirit of God the phrase the spirit of God occurs in tandem with the spirit of Jesus or the spirit of Christ And it's the same person you have Paul say on two occasions. He refers to Jesus as the Lord who is the spirit So you have this sense that just as Jesus is but isn't God. He's the son. He's not the father, but but they're still the same You know, again, this whole Godhead talk that we're used to that is also again Used to be part of Judaism because of the two powers issue So Jesus is God, but he also isn't the father. Well, the spirit is but isn't Jesus And and once you see how, you know, Jesus is the focal point for both the father and the spirit That's where actually we're Trinitarianism derives from so I I think the failure to see that is just, you know Kind of not knowing your Bible well enough or Maybe not knowing what you're looking at might be a better way to put it because the typically the way Trinitarianism has talked about it. It's proof-texted and I think we we're much better off, you know to go beyond proof-texting But again having said all that if people can't see that they aren't damned Okay, since salvation isn't about the ability to articulate theology Not not just theology of the Trinity but theology on a whole bunch of things Romans 5-8 doesn't say that Christ died for us while we were articulating Trinitarianism correctly Or on the condition that we successfully articulated a Trinitarian theology doesn't say that at all John 3 16 doesn't say whosoever believes or it says it says whosoever believes in Christ again The one God gave to be the Savior the world, you know will be saved it doesn't say, you know That whosoever understands how to navigate adoption is an eternal sonship subordination. It doesn't say any of that You know brother in Christ Which was part of the question is a phrase used to believers Those who put their entire hope of eternal life and forgiveness of sin Integrating no merit of their own on the work of Christ on the cross that's what makes you a believer And it's an it's an exclusive thing. There are no multiple roads to salvation. Jesus said I'm the way the truth of life You know, no one comes to the father except through me, you know He he doesn't say you can get through me once I hear you successfully articulate Trinitarian theology It it just doesn't say that you can get lots of doctrines wrong and still believe that there is no other means of salvation In other words, you can believe the correct object of salvation and you can and you you can believe the necessity of believing in that object of salvation and still not be able to articulate very well how it all works or Why we need the incarnation or or or why there is a Godhead you those are related but Distinct things. Okay, they're not you can't exchange Understanding of the Trinity with belief in the gospel that you can't swap those in and out and have the same result You can have you can have someone who can articulate Trinitarianism perfectly and if they don't believe that Christ is the lone, you know way of salvation put their trust and faith in him They're not a believer They're a good theologian, but they're not a believer.  You know, they believe there was a time when the Sun was not You know, they so they didn't see Jesus as fully God But nevertheless, they did see Jesus as the soul means of salvation and they get referred to as brethren I mean there are places where that happens. They're not they're not Considered non-believers.  Okay. Well, that really isn't about successfully articulating Trinitarianism, it's really about rejecting that Jesus was the Christ the Messiah Okay, the Messiah come, you know, you know to deliver Israel If you look at 1st John 4 for instance verses 2 and 3 and I think about what this says By this, you know the spirit of God every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God And every spirit that does not confess Jesus Is not from God Notice the two polar opposites Every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God. Okay Then how do you wind up being not from God? It doesn't say That every spirit that does not confess that Jesus has come in the flesh is not from God. That isn't what the verse says It says every spirit that does not confess Jesus Is not from God. So this this, you know, John's idea about Christ coming in the flesh is is is really about and ultimately about Accepting that Jesus was the Messiah again the Savior the ones who you know, who is Sacrifice who was given by God to take away the sins of the world John 3 16 if you reject that Okay, then that's not from God, you know, many Christians who would embrace the exclusivity of the gospel today wouldn't have a prayer of successfully articulating the subtleties of adoptionism Subordinationism eternal sonship etc. Hey when I became a Christian, I don't know about any of that I wouldn't have had a prayer to have an intelligent discussion About any of that But I understood what the gospel was and why I needed it And that there was no other way of salvation And I just think we need to keep some of these things in perspective. So no, they're not damned You know, I think I think they're incorrect in their theology but these Is not one to one each


Starting off this Tuesday edition of the Sportsmax zone with football match week seven in the Jamaica Premier League sponsored by Ren Neville wrapped up with a Monday night doubleheader at the state of Eastfield Humbland got the better of waterhouse through Javane Thompson's 13th minute strike Portmore United and Timberlake Gardens played out Goalless draw now. Here is a look at the match week results for you Lionhole beaten 1-4 by Very united the Cavalier Arnett Garnes and a treasure Beach Harborview games postponed because Harborview and Cavalier have Conca Calf playoff finals this week Don't we'll hold on one to one over Mullines for their first back-to-back wins of the season Montego By United beaten 2-1 by the reigning champions and leaders Mount Pleasant waterhouse beaten 1-0 by Humbland and the other Monday night result Tivoli and a Portmore in a nil all scoreline now with The score lines from the latest games. There are the standings that we can look at Mount Pleasant on top with maximum 18 points Arnett Garnes seven points behind in second Portmore and Humbland also on 11 points Tivoli Gardens on 10 and waterhouse on 10 as well those the top 16s in the league at the moment Cavalier just outside a playoff spot and Veer as well lime hall and Mullines United bottom of the table at the moment so Good interesting action over the weekend in Monday night football. We saw The goalkeepers as we just mentioned doing very very well not many goals there but Exciting play sometimes you have nil score lines or one nil score lines that that can be exciting The tip of the portmore game. I don't think was that exciting But but the goalkeepers were outstanding portmores goalkeeper Williams was player of the match And he was really really outstanding. He brought up some tremendous saves Yeah, and despite as you said the match not being very exciting and it's because of the lack of goals As football lovers, we love to see goals and this match had none of those But lands despite that the score line of course had a lot to do with the table ranking because Tivoli as a result of the score ended up on fifth position and portmore They went to third and I think you know we're at that end of the season where The scores are actually matching up because I remember is it two seasons ago where I felt as if The teams were separated by bigger margins So it was difficult even after a draw or a loss for the table to of course change the rankings But this season we're seeing how close the contest is and of course with that draw as I said Tivoli went to fifth and portmore went to third So these two teams will be hoping that they can of course produce goals in the upcoming matches In order to ensure that they end up on a respectable standing Yeah, and the humble land win over waterhouse moved them from seventh up to fourth in the standing So the top half of the table at the moment very competitive. So Marginal results or getting three points or getting a point Can you know make a significant move in your positional standings? I want to say how impressed I am with the way mount pleasant has started this season With with with six wins in a row. This is the best start to a premier league season We have seen since maligns as newcomers in the aborted 2019 2020 season Started the campaign with six consecutive wins and mount pleasant has done that maligns went backwards after that and COVID-19 aborted this season and then maligns didn't really carry on after that really but I don't want to juxtapose those two points because mount pleasant is a horse of a different color Because they have from day one been a top team in the premier league even as newcomers They were a top team because of how solid their roster is and how strong Peter goes Investment in the project has been so they are with their championship title last year beginning to read the reap the rewards of their investment And i'm happy to see mount pleasant doing this well albeit because of the format of the tournament There is very little in the regular season to to shout about because it's when the playoffs start You know you really have um the decisions being made for the title All right Well, we're sticking with football and one team has booked a spot in the final showdown in jamaican schoolboy football's Champions cup the all island schoolboy knockout clarendon college and hidel faced off early on tuesday out the antony sporting sports complex in sit andrew Let's take some highlights with ricardo chambers and lagea williams on commentary The match highlights then clarence college with german ashley's beautiful pass kahim dixon with a lovely run But unable to get on the end of it as the genre lee Deandre gallimore with a free kick right at goal Came off the crossbar after a slight touch from lee who was good in goal Very good in goal for hidel today Best chance of the first stop What a delightful ball inside from rinaldo bar at the hidel captain But don't a steward could not beat broshey borrell a strong left arm denying him then in the 19th minute clarence college would get the opening goal a team of green inside for gallimore His shot off the crossbar back out to christopher hall hall to kahim dixon dixon with a lovely finish Enjoy this one at their beautiful best Was an opportunity to clear for hidel Clarence wasn't decisive enough and they appeared the price dixon At that point with his fifth goal in his champions cup career That was another opportunity with a lovely delivery coming from daniel clark Chapman ashley turned that one to goal. It was blocked Clark tried his luck from distance But once again tashari lee was equal to the task the 19 year old Hull for atiba green green inside to malakai dogless But atiba green couldn't beat lee at his near post wasn't enough power in the shot really dogless inside the box Picking out kahim tixon his header wild of the mark. He is wrong-footed lee But couldn't hit the target Hydella zero opportunities in the second half Amaria henry with a shot from outside the 18 that went over the top Henry showing speed here Getting around barret getting around from an acute angle spanked it over the top Yes, he would have been disappointed with the final effort had options to cross as well That looked like an innocuous pass initially from darren cambell turned out To be some trouble for perello handed it in goal and then Here is hall cutting inside Making the pass to kahim tixon And tixon firing home with the right foot a minute closer For the clarinet college number 13 a double for him His third goal in the champions cup this season his 27th goal In all of schoolboy football and clarinet college Into the champions cup final with a toenail victory over hydell as he answered Brilliant goals there from kahim tixon ensuring that his team clarinet college got the job done and land What a match it was for clarinet college They dominated from inception and they were able to get the job done no goals for hydell The jay was here on set predicting and he did predict a clarinet win. I'm happy for him Yeah, well to be honest not not Rocket sands to suggest that clarinet college would have won this because There are many people feel the best team in schoolboy football at the moment. Certainly. They're the most attractive team And uh, their coach lenny high demands of his players confidence on the ball posture and um, he does Exude that kind of relaxation as he was when he was a player a fine schoolboy player himself in his school school days lenny high and he has Ensure that his players display that kind of comfort on the ball and confidence just moving the ball around And really outstanding attacking players. It's hard to see A team dominating clarinet college in schoolboy football in jamaica. So, um, I think they were Preseason favorites and at this stage they they remain favorites because they appear to be a safe bet With almost every game they play because hydell isn't a bad team. We know that hydell is a very very good team we've seen their performances all season and They did miss some opportunities to score a couple of one-on-one. It was the ones with a goalkeeper. So, um, Hydell Should be ruined the fact that they missed opportunities that they could have scored their coach debon Anderson has done a tremendous job with them Since he has moved from holy trinity so, um client on car via tunel win dixon with both goals and not a surprising result But a result that I think reemphasizes the quality that clarence and college has and um And also because of how the the game went on I don't think hydell would be Would be disappointed with how they played because they played well I think there would be disappointed that they didn't take the chances that they got and didn't make a better fight of it Yeah Well, the second semi-final between glenn murhae and kingston college is set to kick off at 5 15 p.m. Local time that's 6 15 eastern caribbean time live on sportsmax 2 And sportsmax plus on the app. So that has started already lance Who Okay, it's about to start producer. Just correcting me there. Thanks for that Lance, who do you believe will come out on top in this matchup? Please do not be swayed by this stress. This is just a dress that my mom gifted to me and I wore it today Okay, and and I suggest that I I suspect that you aren't back in kingston college Well, you know just based on what you just said that you know, I don't want the car No, I'm don't want the color of this to influence your decision But it wouldn't it won't all right. So who do you support? But I like glenn murhae and their coach and repair who has a real cynical football brain So I I am I am hopeful that glenn murhae will play well here But because this is a a playoff fixture and a match that eventually will de facto decide who wins the championship These are the moments that you can't count kingston college out. Yeah, they are they are the kind of team no matter what The obstacles are in in front of them that they they Know how to rise to occasion. So we we're just seeing the kickoff here. Yes, and um If I were a betting man, I would take kingston college because I think on a day like this kingston college Will know how to rise to the occasion having said that what we have seen in the past weeks. There is a suspicion that the Rural area teams and the racosta cup are the top teams are better than the top teams in the manning cup Which suggests that glenn murhae as a top team and the racosta cup May have a favorable look in here because there's a general feeling that the racosta cup teams the best ones This season are stronger than the best manning cup teams. But um in spite of that, I would still say kingston college because of the Occasion and because of what is at stake here and because of the spirit of kingston college and that never say die I would give them the edge And that's the thing about kingston college when even when they go down, they're able to bounce back So I'm going with the kingston college as well for today Yes, let's take a break and come right back. We still have a lot more football to talk My winning championship this season