Welcome to Toffee Teabase, the Everton News Daily. Adam Ola Llockman has been sent back from England under 21s with a slight knock, the Everton Winger. Some people reported he was doubtful for the visit of Cardiff, but hopefully the slight knock is something that will settle down and he'll be available for Marco Silva at the weekend. A lot of people want them to replace Theo Walcott this weekend and just freshen up that attack and also because Llockman's time on the pitch has been increasing of late and his attitude looks really good and he's probably ready now for the start. So let's hope that the slight knock he's picked up at the 21s isn't going to keep him out of this weekend's game. Got a lot of games coming up now until after Christmas so we need all of our squad fully fit.  A, why would they take a side but step B, £60m gets him his right boot. Played in the 2-1 win against Croatia at the weekend of course, did Jordan. That's going to be filed under nonsense for me. Something like United, they need to go and get maybe Jan Oblach who's available once you leave at Let's Go and maybe he would be a better option because they've got no chance of getting Pickford. Everon continue to be linked with Marcus Roho and Chris Smalling. I don't know why. We thought we were getting Roho in August but we ended up with Kate Reumard on loan and I know I'd rather have. He doesn't play for United so again for them, not for me. Gen Towson has been linked with a move back to Beshigthus in January according to the Turkish Papers. Beshigthus have tabled a bid to Everton and they want him back. Alvaro Negrado's leaving the club and Wagner Love, who's still going, is keen on returning to Brazil so Beshigthus need a number nine and they want their former target man back. Who knows? Who knows? I can't see evidence selling them just yet but you never know do you? Towson played for Turkey, they lost 1-0 against Sweden. Religated. Religated, apparently out of the UEFA Nations League and so whatever else. Seamus Coleman is due to play tonight for Ireland against Denmark. That's a big game. Janak Balasi, well it's a big game for him. Janak Balasi has been talking about his injury. He claims he came back from his serious knee injury too soon last season so he was rushed back. I wonder who was the manager at that time. So he was rushed back and never found his form, never found his confidence in his body and now he's undergoing a programme. This is what he should have been doing a year ago. Imagine if we'd have had, say, another winger who could have played and just allowed Balasi to get his body right before he got put back in the team. Imagine if we didn't chase that winger to go to another country causing all kinds of problems. He hasn't started again yet for Aston Villa. Balasi but he said he's doing things the right way now and building up the confidence in his body. And good luck to him. Good luck to him. Hope he comes back stronger and does well. Evan have been linked with Emiliano Saleh who plays for Nantes. He scored 41 goals in 113 games. The 28-year-old Argentine striker also attracting Wolves and West Ham as well. And Evan were linked with Declan Rice over the weekend. Young West Ham with field player, great of very highly. Who knows, again. If he's young, he's got a lot of talent, then Marcel Brands will be all over it like a cheap suit. And finally, Evan doesn't wear cheap suits. He doesn't wear cheap suits. All over it like a blaze and a pair of khaki pants. Yeah, he does wear that. Evan have frozen their season ticket prices for next season ticket. Let it go! 2019, 2020 season. It's fantastic. The fourth year on the run. Evan have done this and it's great. It's great that it's affordable season ticket. It means my last season ticket will be £95, which is excellent. So well done Evan. The rest of the Premier League should take note and give something back to their supporters. But it's a fantastic initiative. So well done Evan in that. And that is your news for today. Just a little bit more. The Evan Sleep Out so far has raised over £20,000 for the home is where the heart is charity. So fantastic effort. Thank you for everybody who has sponsored us for the Ziff wire. You can still add to that by, if you've got money, spare money, go to our Just Giving page. Totten it up. It's all gone to the same place. It's all gone to Evan in the community. And congratulations to everybody who did that. It was a fantastic night. And if you're thinking about doing it, make sure you do it next year. It's excellent and you won't regret it. If you haven't subscribed, please do so when it takes a second. And if you want more videos, get over and join us on page. And thanks for watching. See you later.


mentioned about the hot wire animometer Indian suppliers, can you repeat sir? There are hot wire animometer Indian suppliers. Yeah, actually there is one of the questions for one of the participants is what are the Indian suppliers for hot wire animometer. Unfortunately there are no Indian suppliers even if they are there they are not very what to say you cannot rely on them they are not reliable. So, I would not suggest you any Indian suppliers but if you you can write an MHRD project or what is that either DST project or what is the teacher's AICTE yeah AICTE to whom am I talking to I am talking to PSG Coimbatore.  I had seen a thick hot wire animometer which was supplied by Sunrise which was one of the companies from Bangalore but then that was too thick and it was very intrusive for the flow. So, that is why I am not suggesting any Indian supplier but you can write a DST or an AICTE proposal and get money AICTE you can write a proposal and get it either from TSI or DANTEC.  But you definitely need an AICTE room so that there is no dust and things like that. So, but if I try to find we will get hot wires just for measurement of velocity but not for turbulence intensity. If it is only for velocity you can go to wary.com w a a r w e.com you can go to this website you can see hot wire animometer there also and which is basically made of testo is supplying testo make hot wire animometer. So, like that there are many suppliers only for measurement of velocity but not for turbulence intensity. If you need turbulence intensity you will have to go either for TSI or DANTEC make you just press TSI or DANTEC over the way Google you will get there contact details. One of the participants question is if I have a ribbed turbulent if I have a ribbed turbulent let us say this is my pipe and these are my turbulent on both sides let us say and I whenever turbulent means to my mind always ribbed only comes may be because I have worked with ribs. So, what essentially we are saying is that in a pipe if there is a ribbed turbulent what we are saying is the heat transfer coefficient is changing locally no doubt about that the heat transfer because of the separation there will be heat transfer decrease and subsequently there will be an increase in the heat transfer if this is my flow direction. Now, the question asked is if my pipe is thick let us take two situations let me take a pipe of thickness 10 mm and let me take a pipe of thickness 1 mm and let me take this pipe as stainless steel. Why I am taking this stainless steel because there is a conduction thermal conductivity of stainless steel is slightly lower than that of copper I am not taking a copper pipe. If I take stainless steel what is happening whatever heat is heat transfer is taking place on the wall gets conducted into my wall. So, then this conduction also plays a role that is what is called as conjugate the problem what you have asked is actually what is called as conjugate conduction problem that is there is both convection and also conduction the point is we have the that is why whenever we are we are trying to measure local heat transfer coefficient. If I am trying to measure the local heat transfer coefficient I should not use should not use copper pipe I should use stainless steel pipe and that too its thickness it should be as small as possible. If I take a thick copper pipe my I cannot get the local heat transfer variation everywhere I will get constant heat transfer coefficient. So, heat transfer coefficient what I have measured is not what actually is perceived by my plate because of the fact that it has got conducted into my plate and my plate has made it average that integral of 1 by L 0 to L h L d x that averaging has been done by whom not by the calculator, but by my copper plate itself that is the reason why we should not use stainless copper pipe and that too thick pipe if I have to capture stainless steel if I have to capture local heat transfer coefficient. So, that is why we if you see most of the local heat transfer coefficient measurements will have a metal foil of the order of 0.05 mm. If you take a circular pipe of this order that is 0.05 mm and then put the thermocouples wherever you want then it is going to capture the local temperature because conduction is avoided lateral conduction is avoided otherwise lateral conduction takes place which is nothing but conjugate conduction and will affect my localness of my heat transfer coefficient. Coming back to your second question I did not understand will you please elaborate me that question what is that you try to maintain constant wall temperature by putting steam and what is that you did not get will you please elaborate for me. Sir in the when we are allowing that steam inside the annulus section and we are allowing the water inside the tube tube into heat exchanger when we are conducting the experiment for the plane tube the Nusselt number for the plane tube is about 90 whenever when I am inserting the regulator the regulator is to increase the heat transfer, but the increase in order is only about 17 percentage. So, when I am calculating the performance the value is less than 1 whether it is for steam or because of the steam sir. Ok professor actually I can understand the question, but I cannot give the answer right away, but I what I would say is I will not hand wave I will try to put this question little differently. What you are trying to say is that when you say Nusselt number you are if I understand correctly you are using a tube in tube heat exchanger hopefully in one you are allowing this steam and in the another one you are allowing something else. So, I do not know where the ribbed tabulators are there and how are we calculating the local heat transfer coefficient my request is that will you please will you please generate a document one page document where in which you put the figure in which what are the you put figure and with inlet and outlet conditions and give me the temperatures and what are the heat transfer coefficients you are computing. If you give me that I can definitely come back I can definitely come back on this question. So, we will go to Amal Jyothi college Kerala. This is a doubt regarding then order of magnitude analysis and the non-dimensionalization. When we apply this order of magnitude analysis and the non-dimensionalization show same equation what is the difference in the effect? Question asked is what is the difference between the order of magnitude analysis and the non-dimensionalization procedure. What does non-dimensionalization procedure give me? We get that Nusselt number is a function of Reynolds number and Prandtl number that is Reynolds number Nu equal to C Re to the power of m Pr to the power of n C Re to the power of m Pr to the power of n. What did we get by order of magnitude analysis for lower Prandtl numbers? I got m and n, but I did not get c that c has to come from experiments or from analytical solution. m as 1 by 2 and n as 1 by 3 we got it from order of magnitude analysis. It is like order of magnitude analysis gives me gives me the order of magnitude of like for example, Nusselt number increases with the increase of the Reynolds number how to the power of half. It will increase with the increase of the Prandtl number how to the increase of 1 by 3 that feel we will get from order of magnitude analysis. But what non-dimensional numbers are important to look for that is coming from my non-dimensional analysis. So, that is the difference between non-dimensional analysis and order of magnitude analysis. Another thing in non-dimensional analysis is sorry in order of magnitude analysis is you will get to know which terms are contributing to the effect. So, you can you can eliminate throw away terms from the governing equation to simplify it. So, that you can get a reasonably approximate not wrong reasonably approximate solution. So, that throwing away of terms if I throw terms which are important then I have thrown the problem out, but if I if I can neglect terms for example, inside the boundary layer or sorry outside the boundary layer I am saying that the viscous forces are negligibly small. It does it is not that viscosity is gone to 0 there viscous forces are smaller compared to the other dominant forces. Therefore, I can neglect that and my equation becomes simplified. Therefore, I can get a close form solution in some cases for the simplified equation that is what we get by order of magnitude analysis. So, we we can estimate the values relative importance of the terms. Any other questions from the centre VN 90 Nagpur? Sir can you comment on the flow of fluid in helical coil? I have seen one of the questions in even in the moodle the same question has been put. Can you comment on flow in a helical coil? See what is what is an additional non-dimensional number which comes for helical coil? Helical coil also nusselt number and friction factor is going to be function of Reynolds and Prandtl number, but what is the other effect which is coming to picture the curvature? That is my stream lines are asked to go through corrode lines that is curvature. So, what is called as a dean number that is if I remember correctly Reynolds into curvature that is R by D Reynolds into R by D there is a non-dimensional number called dean number. Dean number is what is taken into account that is dean also consists of again Reynolds number only dean number equal to Reynolds into R by D that is radius of curvature upon diameter of the pipe diameter of the pipe. Why because this R by D that is the radius of the curvature and the diameter of the pipe represents the how much torture my stream line is undergoing while it is going through helical pipe that torture is quantified by this R by D, but if you ask me whether R by D is it to the power of 1 or to the power of 2 or to the power of 3 it depends for different curvatures. So, if you see typical correlation for an helical coil you would see that nu equal to C into R e to the power of m P R to the power of n R by D to the power of may be x. So, that is how you would represent the Nusselt number in case of helical coil why because the only additional thing which is coming compared to the straight pipe is the curvature which is torture of or the tortuousness my stream line or the fluid particle is going through is that ok. Sir, can we take the friction in helical coil as F is equal to 64 by R e to the R e at D? Question asked is for an helical coil can I take friction factor as 64 by R e I cannot take why friction factor is equal to 64 by R e is for straight pipe, but for circular pipe for a helical pipe I friction factor is a function of R e and again R by D. So, in fact there are papers in fact there is a large body of work done by Jamia Milia Islamia institute I do not remember the professor's name is having in fluid dynamic research paper I cannot upload that paper, but I can give you that reference of that paper in which he gives standard correlations which are experimentally found for different helical coils. So, where in which he gives friction factor as a function of Reynolds number and R by D. So, that is that is the answer for your question when I say Nusselt number that is valid for friction factor also. Sir, the helical coil is being placed in a shell. So, when the counter flow arrangement is expected the constant wall temperature and constant heat flux temperature conditions are not to be assumed perfect. So, in that case how to evaluate the performance? The question asked by one of the participants is that if I have a helical coil inserted in a shell I have a shell and in that I have a helical coil this is my shell let us say and this is the inlet of the shell and this is the outlet of the shell and now I have a helical coil through which the flow is getting in and getting out very crude figure sorry for that this is the helical coil. Now, the question asked is how to because the wall temperature neither on the outer side nor on the inner side are constant wall temperature nor constant heat flux. So, how do I which correlation I should be taking for heat transfer coefficient? It is a very good question. Most of the heat exchangers the closest boundary condition between these two boundary conditions is constant wall temperature boundary condition, but if you really need pick and ask no it is not really constant wall temperature yes I would agree with you it is all not neither constant wall temperature nor constant heat flux, but then which correlation you would use? I would use constant wall temperature boundary condition because we will see later part of the day now immediately the heat transfer coefficient for the constant wall temperature is generally lower than that observed for constant heat flux. So, I would like to design my heat exchanger on a conservative basis which is constant wall temperature. So, answer is I will assume constant wall temperature and take the heat transfer coefficient both on the inner side and the outer side and compute the heat transfer coefficient go ahead and design my heat exchanger fully believing that or thinking that my heat exchanger would take more load than what I have designed that is what I mean when I say conservative estimate because I am under predicting my heat actually real heat is going to be slightly higher because it is not truly constant wall temperature that is the answer for your question professor. Thank you sir over to you M K triple S Pune Yes sir sir there is a slight confusion today morning while deliberating with the flow through tube professor Prabhu he explained that the entry length is in case of laminar flow it is dependent on Reynolds number at the same time the entry length in case of turbulent flow he has also deliberated that it is equal to L e by D is equal to 4.4 into Reynolds number is to 1 by 6 means it is also dependent on Reynolds number, but while discussion with the Arun Kumar professor Arun Kumar he said that it is independent of Reynolds number and the slides also shows that it is equal to 10 D in case of turbulent flow even most of the books also say that the entry length is independent of Reynolds number. So, what is the correlation that is to be used and whether it is dependent on Reynolds number in case of turbulent flow or not dependent on Reynolds number please sir over to you. So the question asked by one of the participants is that the what is the let me put it let us not get into Prabhu and Arun. So, what my point is what is the developing length for hydrodynamically fully developed flow and what is the developing length for hydrodynamically and thermally fully developed flow. Let us take an adiabatic case that means there is no heat transfer involved in that case what I mentioned is you only write nice. So, in that case for hydrodynamically fully developed flow L by D as you rightly said that is remember this I am writing for adiabatic flow no heat transfer adiabatic flow. If it is adiabatic flow there is no heat transfer L by D is equal to 0.06 Re and L by D for turbulent flow is 4.4 into Re D to the power of 1 by 4 this is only for adiabatic flow and this is for hydrodynamically developing flow that is for the velocity profile becoming invariant with this stream wise direction. Let me repeat this that is my velocity profile is going to be a function of r only, but not going to be a function of x and theta that is about adiabatic flow. Now, if I take an heated case may be it is constant heat flux may be it is constant water temperature no problem if it is a constant if it is a heated case for thermally fully developed what is the developing length required L by D equal to that is L by D equal to 0.05 Re D for laminar and for turbulent it is typically 10 D. Now, when I say this 0.05 Re D for laminar you note that say there is a subscript H that only means that it is heated flow it means this is hydrodynamic L H laminar is 0.05 Re D, but what about L H for thermally laminar it is 0.05 Re into P R into D. So, that means usually when we are trying to reach a thermally fully developed flow we usually give enough developing length upstream for the flow to become hydrodynamically fully developed. So, thumb rule is for let us say for turbulent flow thumb rule is you put 25 D upstream to your pipe before heating why because to ensure that the flow is hydrodynamically developed having ensured that my flow is hydrodynamically fully developed. Now, if I start heating it would take further length of 10 times the pipe diameter. So, that it would become thermally fully developed that means temperature is whatever condition professor stated that is we will get thermally fully developed that means the heat transfer coefficient would become invariant with stream wise distance. I think now that clears the question the answer for your question is that okay. Yes sir, thank you. Thank you sir, all to you. Sir one more question. Yeah. We got many courtesans available in handbook, but the courtesans are not given with the name who has given it. So, where do we get this literature who has proposed it, how they have conducted it, how they have got it everything. So, Okay the question asked by one of the participants is that there are several correlations listed in data handbooks I do not know which data handbook he is referring to, but in general in the data handbooks none of the correlations are given against a name, but most of the correlations for example let us say we got yesterday C F that is Blaise's correlation that we know and most of the correlations for example which we are going to study today for turbulent flow 0.023 RE to the power of 0.8 PR to the power of 1 by 3 that is Dittus-Bolter correlation, Nielinsky correlation. So, most of the correlations because there are tens of correlations there are tens if not hundreds of situations where in which there are different correlations. So, you cannot go on giving name most of fundamental ones are given name to the best of my knowledge we know Blaise's correlation, we know Dittus-Bolter correlation, Nielinsky's correlation. So, but if you want to know where is that correlation come from definitely yes you can get that each one has a journal paper published after at least he should have published a journal paper otherwise that correlation would not have come whatever correlations we see in a text book or in a data handbook are all taken from a journal paper. If you definitely put that situation like if you are saying flow around a cylinder if you put flow around a cylinder you will you will land up with Churchill's correlation. So, Churchill paper you will get if you read the Churchill paper you will understand how he has done the experiment how he has got the averaging what properties he has taken how good is that correlation with reference to the experimental data one thing we need to remember especially for turbulent flow there are hundreds of correlations, but with a pinch of a salt each correlation is going to have an uncertainty at least 10 to 20 percent if someone tells me that this heat transfer coefficient measurement is as good as 5 percent it is very unlikely. General thumb rule is for uncertainty for friction factor is around 6 percent and for heat transfer coefficient is around 15 percent it can be more than 15 percent we will be very happy if anyone quotes uncertainty in heat transfer coefficient more than 15 percent if someone says it is only 1 percent 2 percent most likely is under coating is uncertainty the point is none of the correlations are accurate to the t they are limited to the accuracy of the experiments on based on experimental data based on which that correlation has been generated. If you want any specific correlation to know how it has come you please put it in the moodle we will try to answer based on whatever information we have erode. Sir my question is if I am blowing a one bar pressure over here flat plate I am getting some value of some new that is kinematic viscosity frontal number and Cp and some k thermal conductivity. If I am replacing my blowing air to a five bar what is the changes in new frontal number Cp and k just I am increasing the pressure. See the question is I have a flat plate case I have a flow over a flat plate I have taken flat plate in the first case I am having I am blowing air hopefully from a compressor which is releasing air at one bar and temperature 30 degree Celsius let us say that is to say that it is ambient in the second case I am having same compressor but this time I am supplying it at five bar but temperature is continued to be 30 degree Celsius. What is the first change on the properties? On the properties if it is air it is very insensitive to the that is mu Cp in fact in the moodle also yesterday there was a question I have answered this rho mu not rho mu Cp k mu Cp k are almost independent of pressure almost but rho we know rho is going to be P by RT. So, rho will be five times more than the rho what you would have found in one bar now this apart the thermo physical properties I hope you are somehow controlling the velocity same if you do not control in the five bar case the velocity will be very high how high we equal to square root of delta P times higher depending on the nozzle what you are using so that if you have a coefficient of discharge or something the property sum and substance is that thermo physical properties mu Cp k are almost independent of pressure density if it is if it is air it is going to vary with the ideal gas law P by RT and that is it otherwise everything else is same MES Pillai-Panvel. Hello sir as you said in thermally fully developed region heat transfer coefficient H remains constant but is there in any impact of increase in velocity of fluid on heat transfer coefficient H over to you sir. The question asked is in the thermally developing region that is if I have if I were to plot Nusselt number or H versus X by D what is happening here Nusselt number or the heat transfer coefficient decreases in the developing region and in the this is developing this is developing region and this is fully developed region in the fully developed region the heat transfer coefficient is high I mean heat transfer coefficient is constant. Now how does H vary with velocity H varies typically if it is a flat plate it varies with the to the power of half it is laminar if it is laminar and H varies to the power of 0.8 or e to the power of 0.8 0.8 if it is turbulent the point is with the increase of the velocity definitely the heat transfer coefficient is going to increase no matter whether we are handling laminar flow or turbulent. And that is obvious right if you are trying to cool something if you have a fan it is going to cool faster so heat transfer coefficient is what is increasing. So I think we will stop the question answer session for a while now.


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Hi everyone, I'm Daniel. I'd like to talk a little about a little glitch in the Java web application world about null bytes that if under circumstances, if the weather is just right and the moon is right, you might get command execution. Next slide. So null bytes are by no means new, right? So this class of vulnerabilities has been around for a while ever since someone decided that it's a good idea to terminate strings with a null byte in C. So everyone probably has seen something like that where this is a PHP application where you try to open a file and you give it a prefix and you give it an appendix and in the middle there is an attacker control string.  And to get rid of the dot jpeg at the end, it's a little bit harder but he can use a null byte because when that string is passed on to the underlying C library, the string will get cut off at the null byte because C thinks the string is terminated. Next slide. So wouldn't it be nice to have something like that for uploads as well? This is a regular upload request as your browser sends it when you upload a file. And as you can see, the file name is sent in a content disposition header in the segment that is for the uploaded file. And that content disposition header has an attribute called file name and that just carries the name of the file. Now, the naive approach slide would be to just use as in the URL a %00 to indicate the null byte. However, that doesn't work because the file name in there isn't URL encoded. So that %00 will never be decoded and you will end up with a file that has the name pit.jsp%00.jpeg, which doesn't get you anywhere, right? Because you want the extension of the file to be jsp to execute a code and not .jpeg. Now, another approach is to use, next slide, please, to use a literal null byte. So historically, this never used to work because web servers were written in C, right? And when the web server receives this request, it will just see that content disposition header right until the .jsp. And the web application framework is probably going to automatically correct that for you that the quote is open and just send the string file.jsp on to the web application framework into your web application. So the application will see that the extension is actually .jsp and will not allow the file to be stored. Now, as it turns out, nowadays, actually there's a bunch of web servers that aren't written in C, but that are written in Java. And for Java, this null byte in the string is a perfectly valid character. So basically what's going to happen if you upload something like that to, say, Tomcat. The Tomcat will just pass this request with the entire line including the null byte on to the web application framework. You're probably going to use something like Apache Commons file uploads. Apache Commons file uploads is just going to put the entire string that is in the file name parameter into a class property and will pass that on to the web application itself. Now, if the web application doesn't take care, it will validate the string, and it will read everything after the last dot, which is .jpack. Extend time. And will say yes, that's a valid file and write it to disk, but when it's actually written to disk, it will end up having the .jsp extension next slide. So what can you do about it? Never just store a file on disk with an attack-controlled file name, just use an arbitrary file name that you chose yourself, because otherwise you might have collisions anyway if two people upload a file with the same file name. And also it's not a good idea at all to, like, serve files from your main domain where you have authentication cookies, because you will be vulnerable to cross-site scripting. Thank you. Do you want to take one quick question with your next 23 seconds? Repeat the question. Repeat the question. What about the weather? Why does it not work sometimes? Well, sometimes if a web application doesn't allow file uploads or doesn't have the necessary functionality or isn't written in Java, it doesn't work. Oh, cool.


Hi everybody it's Sam at Mixed Up Ground, thank you for watching my tutorial today. I've got a really nice large gift bag to share in the shape of a Christmas tree so I've done a contemporary style so just this nice triangle here and then I've sloped off the sides of the top of the bag and then the star is the fastening so there's a Velcro dot underneath there and it opens up to a very roomy gift bag. So this one measures 12 by 4 and it also folds completely flat and then what I've done to decorate is this paper is from the Jolly Holidays First Edition Paper to pack really nice with the candy canes there and I've just made that matching gift tag all ready to go and then I've just cut with my one inch square punch, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6 squares and then just made little strips and stuck them on in the same color to make a little present so it's got a real simple contemporary feel about it but I still think it looks really fun and once your gift's inside you've got tissue paper or whatever I just think that's going to look so nice underneath the tree and I'm always a traditional red, green, silver, red, green and gold kind of kind of girl so that is what we're going to make very straightforward I use my recycled handles although I've got some nice silver ones for the next one so let me just bring all this over here okay so yeah look at these I am brought my Christmas Yankee candle and this was the handles on the Yankee candle paper bag so when the guy put it in the bag over the counter I was more excited about these and it was the candle in the end because I just thought they're going to look so nice and they do I think they're going to look lovely with that silver and everything anyway so that's what I do try and recycle them where I can okay so that's all the decoration bits which we talked through at the end and then these are your main pieces so you know choose whatever colors you want and I've got these two really nice red 12 by 12 sheets of cardstock so you need two and then you'll also need two pieces of 5 by 10 okay so first of all with our large 12 by 12 cardstock here really easy scoring so if you're using patterned cardstock just need to make sure which way I scored this so if you're using yeah if you're using anything with a pattern that's got a direction on it have it up this way and then rotate it that way okay so what we're going to score now is our baseline so what you want to do is score at 4 okay now if you want it to fold flat what you then want to do is flip it and score at 6 okay if you don't want it to fold flat you don't need to do that score line that's it there and then on your other one again this is the all your just drop something anyway if this is the way you're the direction of your paper is then turn it that way and then again score at 4 because that's your baseline and this will be your front because you don't need to do that extra line that that line on that other piece is just to fold it flat okay so that's just the main scoring with the scoreboard for those two there's a little bit more scoring you have to do in a minute then on the two pieces here that you've got of your 5x10 along the 5 inch side you want to score at half an inch and four and a half then rotate it and score at 4 okay now if you want it to fold flat you know it again you want to score at 6 that's only if you want it to score flat and fold flat do that on both pieces even that six inch one okay again if it's folding flat if it's not folding flat you're just scoring both these people pieces of four okay then rotate it back again and you're then going to score at two and a half just down to that first score line okay so again those of you that have done this loads of times because it's just how I make my my gift bag so you'll be very familiar with the process so you need to do that on both pieces okay that's all the scoring get rid of the scoreboard and then grab your metal ruler keep your stylus and whilst I've got these pieces here we will work with them so I've already cut this one down and you can see there I've scored these triangle score lines okay and that is what we're going to be scoring okay so you'll have your base your larger square here that if I burnish there's burnish the score lines because it doesn't make any difference to the bit that we've got to do next and then you'll be able to see what I'm doing a bit more I'm just gonna pinch in that one there again you only need to do this bit if you're folding flat if it's not folding flat just fast forward so what we're going to be doing now is there's our base okay that that larger four by four piece on the bottom then you'll have this rectangle and then you'll have that score line that we scored just down to that first one it's that rectangle there that you want to score from there and then there which is creating that there again I will have a template on my blog because I think a lot of you do like that so you can just reverse that just so you know exactly where you are but you're just scoring within that rectangle so from the bottom of that middle score line down to the left and right of the rectangle don't go off into your half inch tabs so now if I just kind of work them over you can see now what I've done so there's the base and there's those triangles just to the corners there so I've not gone into this but again just look at the templates alright then we can do a little bit of cuttings I'm just gonna grab my scissors and so the base the four by four you're not cutting in any of this here not yet and you just want to cut up to that first score line and again so and then just snip them both away like that and then just take a little wedge off of that one and then also all of these four corners so and hopefully now you can see a bit more what we've just done there so where those triangles where that triangle shape is is just within that rectangle there and then you'll have that score line through the middle and these two your tabs so when you fold that in that's the side that's gonna be hidden in the base that is the side of the gift bag okay so you want to do that on both pieces you'll have two like this then we just need to do some scoring actually no it's not scoring we just need to do a pencil mark so let me get rid of that and grab a pencil and then with your main cardstock here so you're gonna do this on both pieces so I'm just gonna keep this piece here so you've got that score line that we done that's the four inch score line we done on the bottom so keep it facing you your paper should be in the right direction now if it's got any pattern on it and what we're gonna do now is we're gonna do these lines here see I did score them but they're actually gonna be cut lines we're gonna create this which is gonna give us that shape just where I've cut down here okay so I think it was two inches let me just check yeah so there's my score line at the bottom I'm now just gonna turn it on the side and with my ruler I'm just gonna pop a pencil mark at two inches okay just there and then I'm gonna go to the top here and again just put a little pencil mark at two inches so from the score line that should be six inches so six inches up if I just burnish my score line yeah because that's the base we're gonna come up six inches and put a pencil mark or come down two inches okay then along the top so again I've got my score line everything facing me now you want to come in at five inches and put a pencil mark and again five inches pencil mark then you just want to join up those now if you want you can just do this on one piece and then just trace this piece on your other piece okay so that's that there which is what I think I'll do a fold back right over and then just very carefully I'm actually just gonna cut slightly under so I don't have to rub any of that pencil out okay like so and then with my other piece so I'm just gonna bring that in like so and I'm just gonna cut straight along actually no because it is gonna move so I'm just gonna grab my pencil and just trace like so and just cut this one again okay so you want to have two pieces like this one will have but they both have the four-inch score line but one should have the six inch as well if you're having them to fold flat and then you'll have these two pieces here as well okay so with the front piece I have cut this triangle here just a big Christmas tree that's what the effect I wanted and this is the paper pat the jolly holidays and it's this lovely candy cane one here okay I've just cut a piece of 558 copy paper there just to show you all you need to do to create your triangles along the top of the pattern it's just mark at half way so it's five you're gonna mark at two and a half and then you just want to do a pencil line from that middle down to each corner like so okay and then just cut that out cut those two lines and it will give you that triangle alright but again you know you can decorate anywhere you want but I just I like this style so whilst this is flat I'm gonna stick this piece down so it needs to be nice and flush with that score line even then this is all your base this is all gonna be hidden so I'm just gonna get that stuck down okay then I have already done all of these so I've just got three and three I've got a spare you can have as many as you want but basically I've just got a little you know kind of cluster of boxes Christmas presents just by the side of the tree there so I'm just gonna stick them down okay like so and then we can start putting our sides on so I'm going to do these two first I've already gone and put some red tape along the taps there keeping the tape closest to the score line and then this one's gonna go on this side first and you're basically lining up that four inch score line here at the bottom we'll line up with the four inch score line on here so just gonna sit that one in and then the top will also line up okay and then I'm gonna go along and do this side here so again start from the bottom and just work your way up like so okay so that's what you should have and your face all at the bottom flip the whole thing over and then I'm gonna have to just move come along here take your tape off of that side bring in your other piece here and I haven't burnished it so let's just quickly do that one and then the other score line will burnish the other way because that's gonna fold that's why we flipped it remember so you'll fold one under and then one back because that's the way it will fold flat and then you're gonna stick it so actually let's just back over it's easier I find it easier to do it this way up and then stick it down this way so again start from the bottom and all your sky skylines all your score lines should marry up like so and then the last one we can flip the whole thing over fold that one and fold that one and then just take the backing off the last piece again it should yeah perfectly line up okay then what you want to do so this is the front as always my back one goes down first then the two sides so you don't see them inside and then that one that gives you a really nice base and a really nice inside okay so what I would recommend is you pop glue on the inside of these two tabs fold that in and then pop glue all on this piece here and then just fold that up like so okay so you can see inside now I've got a really nice inside then just it should already start to want to fold because of the way we've done our scoring and everything but just push at the top of the triangles like I always say and then against that back on there and you see it just pops down and it's perfectly nice and flat really really good okay and then the last thing is now to fasten it so I've got this piece of cardstock and this measures two by five and a half then I've also got my star which is lovely just some mirrored cardstock and I've just used two of my star dies there basically you want something that will sit and cover right where did I have it just make sure I've done it yeah just right through the middle like so because it's gonna fold that way okay so this back piece is gonna stick to the back so what you want to do first is just grab some again I'm gonna use my red tape it's gonna run a strip just along there and on the bottom and then I'm just gonna stick it just so it's hidden and the star is straight about there okay so you can just see that's on the back you can put another star now if you wanted to you know cover that a bit more I might do that off camera and then it's going to stick grab this one so can't remember how far down I had it one and a half flip it over and on the bottom just come up one and a half keep it in my pencil down where it is one and a half and again on that other side one and a half just do a little pencil mark so I know that that's where I need to put my glue okay and because we've got that straight bit along the top which is one and a half this is two so it will cover it and you just want to come down see I'm gonna use that pencil mark as my guide and just stick it down so you can't see the pencil mark but now that's going to come over and it's going to be curved you don't want to bend it and then you just need to add your Velcro all your magnets entirely up to you but I just stuck the pair together there and bring it over and I just want to have it so the tree the star sits perfectly above the tree there we go that's done then you need to hold punches so it's entirely up to you where you want to do it I'm gonna sandwich it together and just have a little look at this one yeah it's about there so I'm gonna come in out there do that one terrible I always eyeball stuff gonna go there I go done it grab your ribbon or your little twisted handles and feed it through that one first I do like the silver and I did share links somebody asked me where you can buy these because you can buy them separately and you can buy them on Ali express so yeah I will share the link again now look at that isn't that gorgeous I love it and then just opens up see you have everything in it there you get so much space I just think that looks really really cute and I can't wait to fill them with presents so yeah nice and easy just obviously and it's good because it's using up card stocks I know at Christmas time I like to get my card stock used so that I can then buy another fun Christmas pat the following year so I think now I'm gonna change this I don't like the white although the white goes that just looks so special and luxurious and yeah I think I'm gonna end up changing that but yeah there you have it so I hope you've enjoyed today's tutorial if you have as always please give me a thumbs up and subscribe to my channel so you get to see more thanks for watching


Live from Las Vegas. It's theCUBE, covering Oracle's modern marketing experience. Brought to you by Oracle. Now, here's your hosts, John Furrier and Jeff Frick. Okay, welcome back. And we are here live in Las Vegas for Oracle's modern marketing experience. Part of their marketing cloud. This is theCUBE SiliconANGLES flagship program. We go out to the events and extract the signal from the noise. I'm John Furrier, my co-host Jeff Frick. Next guest is Tim Brown, global vice president of product development, Oracle Marketing Cloud. Former CEO of Maximizer, acquired last September. Welcome to theCUBE. Thank you. So what's it like to be acquired by Oracle? People always want to know because Oracle writes big fat checks when they buy, they buy big. Yeah, yeah. So you guys are up and running. Well, take us through that. What was it like? So it's not one big bang, of course. There's a sequence of stages you go through and look, you get huge power from the platform Oracle brings you. And we were 400 people. We had lightweight processes where you can operate on a fleet of foot basis. If you're going to do that at the scale OMC is now, you have to have more processes and regimented systems in place. So you have to just get used to that process. But it's been a blast. It's been fantastic. And Oracle does buy at scale companies. They don't really buy tuck-unders. Like IBM does more traditionally. They buy tuck-unders, bring them in, blue wash them and they create them. Did you guys work with Oracle before? Sure. Relationships, they see you in action, they get a feel for it, some of the numbers. We were pretty well-known in the industry. We won the last Forrester Wave in our industry in Q3 last year. So top right in that, which kind of got us noticed. But we had been working quite closely with quite a few clients of OMC already. So it was a very warm introduction. And for us, the timing was a conscious decision. The whole world of marketing is moving from point solutions to coordinated marketing campaigns, cross-channel, based on common customer data. We couldn't do that as a point solution. We built the most powerful platform to optimize the customer experience. But we didn't have those elements. So bringing in the orchestration capabilities of responses in Eloqua, coupled with the data layer that BlueKai and DataLogix and ODC bring in, it's a killer combination. That's an interesting topic, because Oracle talks a lot about having an integrated solution. So the fact that you could now add those components within your own subset application and get that much more value is a pretty powerful story. No, exactly. Look, our platform combines A-B testing, multivariate testing, automated customer insights. DataMind, segments, and personalization. Those things get completely dependent on the quality of data you have about customers. And to generate a really fulfilling customer experience these days, you can't just do it on one channel. So we built our business on web and app, and we're very good at doing that. What about SMS? What about email? They all have to be consistent. So the timing from both sides, I think, was great. And Kevin made a great comment yesterday. They made the investment decision architecturally to make the data layer that horizontally scalable piece, which solves a lot of problems on this point solution. And you guys, as you mentioned, made a good call to go, see the writing on the wall, if you will. So you get more power with Oracle. Talk about where you guys now fit in, and just share with the audience, kind of jumped ahead, where Maximizer fits in, vis-a-vis the portfolio of what's out there. Is it just B to C? Is there B to B? Is it just A-B testing? Has the role change you mentioned? You know, these other blue-kai and these other products? Where does it all fit in? OK. That's quite a big question. Let me attempt to make to address it. Correct me if I go off track. So look, the technologies, we set ourselves up to a one-stop shop. Everything you need to deliver a fantastic, engaging customer experience online. If you do that, you get loyalty, you get very high-value customers, you get revenue profit. So we've built, from the ground up, everything from the simplest to most complex technologies that you need to do it. So everything you may be testing through to the most automated, advanced one-to-one personalization, where we're looking at your customer profile, we're looking at the context you're in. You know, if you're on a travel site, are you in a business mode or are you in a family mode to produce, to get the granular personalization you need to make a great compelling experience? So that, we bring this entire layer. We set it basically across the top of the RMC stack. Now, for us to deliver great experiences, we need two other things. We need the next layer down on the stack. We need the orchestration. Because we need to be, no, it's no good having a fantastic experience on your mobile phone. And then it's completely out of sync with the email messages you're getting. So that orchestration, we need that to deliver a great experience. And then under the bottom of the stack is the data layer. And so we are just, we're a kind of a very lightweight layer that sits across the top of the stack. We can be deployed with one line of code, literally one line of code and you can use us to do everything I've spoken about. And we can exploit and make actionable this wealth of customer data and be part of the orchestrated campaigns that you've heard this so many times, I'm sure. But in RMC, it's the core belief that you need this 360 review of our campaigns. Is that- So you were up and down the stack, so you don't necessarily need, is there other parts of the portfolio that you work well with? Is it a combination of things? What specifically do customers deploy? So our customer base is, it's mid large enterprise, quite a few fortune 500, across typically B2C classic segments. So, you know, be retail, finance, travel, media, and actually, rather appropriately, gaming and gambling. Given our location. So, they're the sets we work in. So there's a huge overlapping customer base with every other part of the RMC stack. We've got loads of common customers. We, if you look at the way we're integrating, and you heard an announcement yesterday, and we've already integrated some areas, and I can talk about them in a bit more detail, maybe, if that's of interest. But the integration is, I mean, the very first thing we did, the day after it was announced, was start thinking about integrations, and there's some very obvious ones. So, in no particular order, I guess the announcement yesterday was that we're bringing a web capability to responses. So, responses campaigns now, when you're in program, and you're working out your various interactions, you want to coordinate. There's now a box there that says web, or mobile app, and we are powering that. More than that, we're bringing ability to actually- You're adjusting to the form factor, the experience side, or web. Sure, we can operate in both channels. We can optimize the experiences of both channels, and so we're providing that, so filling in the gap there for responses, and secondly, we're bringing ability to work out, okay, you want to orchestrate this campaign with the aim of converting more mid-tier loyalty customers to top tier, okay? Well, is it working? So, you've got these theories about, oh, we're hitting them this email over this time, and then hit them on the web with this and caught, but what's actually working here online? So, that testing capability is very powerful to work out and actually prove what the uplifts are, and to do a continuous learning process. So, that first integration responses announced yesterday really, really exciting. What will come on next from the responses is bringing our technologies to bear an email. So, we were point solution. We did not have any email capabilities. Of course, RMC has vast email capabilities. What we can bring to email, and actually, so we can bring this open time personalization. So, when you open the email that's been come out from a response to system, it will take into account time of day, geo, weather, a lot of different factors to say, okay, what should the content that email look like? How should it be structured? What's the layout? So, we can do that in real time. There are two obvious integrations that are happening here and now. Following on from that will be Aliqua. Very, very similar integrations, but just with a slightly more vast two, obviously B to B situations, and probably with B to C. The second one, integration, which is already up and running, I think Steve alluded to this in his keynote yesterday, which maybe caught people by surprise a bit, was we are already integrated with what was BlueKai, our Oracle DNP. So, what that means is, I've spoken earlier about the need, the better, our personalization is better and better the deeper and deeper customer information we have, data we have. Well, if you're a prospect landing on a travel site, that travel site doesn't know much about you, because the only data we have is from, it's much deeper for existing customers, okay? The DNP's perfect. So, that will bring you, what are they in market for? Are they in market for a beach holiday or a trekking holiday? So, we have that information available now, we can target and personalize the experiences that we deliver, dependent on that DNP data. So, that's a fantastic, easy, obvious use case. So, Tim, I wonder if you could speak a little bit about the exchange of value for data, that now is getting more and more, kind of headlines with Google Maps and this and that, where the more data you provide them, the better service they can give, but before it was kind of like a free thing. You didn't necessarily know that it was a value exchange and of course it's a value exchange. When you're trying to build all this data around the customer to get the context and the personalization, what are some best practices that you see that really expedite and kind of accelerate that process so that at the end of the day, you can actually provide a more contextual, better experience. So, you've hit on the key barrier. People have been talking about personalization for years. Actually doing it in real life has proven hard. One of the reasons is, bizarrely, the more data you have, the harder it is to personalize the online experience. The reason is that you've got to take decisions in a very short period of time. I mean, milliseconds, blink of an eye, you've got to change the experience. If you have a vast amount of data, how are you going to do that? What data is actually predictive or not? So, I mentioned it on our platform, we have automated data mining. The reason is that we are trying to extract from a vast amount of data feeds that we have, what are the two or three or 10 key attributes that helped me work out what you want when you land on a website or what type of payment process or cart process we should use for you compared with someone else. So, that distillation of all of this data into a few predictive attributes that can be used is critical and without that, we spend an awful lot of time in that process. It's a core part of the platform. That is so counterintuitive, that's great insight, because you would presume the more the better, right? The more the easier, of course, I have. Human brain is only that big, we can't, so you need, if you're going to hypothesize that I think this bit of information might be useful to offer a differentiated experience or offer to one person compared with another, you can only deal with a certain range of data. So, the first thing is make the problem manageable. Use the technology we have to make the problem understandable and manageable. And to your point, if I'm on a travel site and I'm booking a business trip versus a family trip, I'm at a completely different state of mind and the influencing factors that are going to help drive my decision are probably totally different. Right, so that's a great example because unfortunately, you're not going to tell us what sort of mode you're in. So we have to deduce. You're very lucky. We're going to land up, but we can't even do other land or anything. That's all business, too. Well, data quality is a huge problem. You mentioned data is the fuel for the engine, marketing engine, and you get dirty data. Talk about managing the problem. This comes down to what we call pre-cognitive. Cognitive computing is the term that's been kicked around, social business, marketing, automation, all this now is being automated. If you have too much data, you don't get the scope. So you've got to have more intelligence about the data or clean data. How do you solve that problem? That's really kind of challenging. Well, so in the example we were just talking about, you're not going to tell me you're a business traveler.  When you went on the search engine, how many people were on a trip? What was the timing of the trip? How is it compared to your past purchases? You can actually, with one or two attributes, you can quite accurately predict that you're a business mode, not family mode. Well, Google has all that information. If you have Gmail, I search Southwest, and I guess my flight's right at the top of search results. That's pretty interesting. They have all the data. So we're doing a very similar thing, just on a client by client. So identity becomes a big part of it. So here's what we talked about. And again, this is kind of like the open question. Everyone's fighting for that identity. This notion of federated identity seems to be kind of in this platform war situation. You got Facebook, 1.6 billion people on the platform. That's just Facebook, not including WhatsApp or Instagram. That's a walled garden. Google's a walled garden. Again, you have everything else out there. So obviously advertising will go to those platforms because that's where impression-based stuff will be or engaging the watering hole of users. But when you're out in the wild, the open web, everything's up for grabs. That's where the one-to-one gets interesting. Yes. How do you guys view that world if we move to this kind of personalization paradigm that you guys have pioneered now, Oracle's scaling up. It's really about what's going on in the wild for the user, off property or off whatever they want to call the term, not just within these platforms. I mean, that's a challenge. How do you manage that identification? Sure. Open ID, other things? Yeah, well, so it depends on what you're trying to achieve, but from a lot of the work we do, we don't need anonymous information from your, say, your web browsing, okay? We've got CRM information on you. We've got a whole lot of information from Oracle Data Cloud. We've got a vast amount of information that we can use to work out what experience we should offer you if you're a high-value customer compared with a low-value. We don't need all the rest of it. When you're dealing with prospects on the site, you've never seen them before, that's when you're in the regime then where you want to try and distill as much information as you can about a person from all these vast clouds of data around. And that's where BlueKai really plays a very important role, because they do the same as us. They take this vast amount of browsing data from, I think, two billion or something, visitors, and condense it down into useful attributes. What are they in market for? How long have they been market for? Where are they? That, you have to process all this data or you'll get nowhere. Tim, thanks for coming on theCUBE and sharing your insights. Really appreciate it. Final question, I'll give you the final word here. What is the future of personalization in this world? What's it going to look like? What's it going to look like? Yeah, it's okay, give me wrong, future question. Give me someone right. There's no wrong answer. We've got customers that are pretty close to actually. So, look, I can tell you what the ultimate test is. You don't really care what's happening behind the scenes. When you go on the website, or someone's website, does it feel like they understand your need and that they're taking sensible logical decisions that are helping you do the job you want to succeed and are they then helping you to discover what else is available to you? That's the feeling you want. That's what, and- Yeah, is it relevant? Do they find what they're looking for and do they get the end result? Yeah, that's- Transaction. Yeah, it doesn't matter how we get there, but that's what we have to get to. Well, I love that you said it was a feeling too because the other thing I always talk about, right, or whether it's magical or creepy, right? And if it's a good feeling, then that's on the magical side. It doesn't have to be creepy at all. Right, right, no, because if it's done well, then it won't be creepy at all. Don't even know what's happening. Yeah, that's beautiful. Tim Brown, thanks for coming on theCUBE. Appreciate the time, sharing your insights about personalization. As theCUBE, we'll be right back with more live coverage here in Las Vegas into the short break. Thanks so much. Pleasure.


Okay. So hello, my name is Patrick Fischer. I'm from Wikipedia, Germany. I'm the main editor for Timoleste in German Wikipedia. First, a little disclaimer. This event was planned originally as a workshop, talking with each other and finding solutions to help little communities to become bigger ones. In the end, the result is a little speech of myself telling you some ideas I had, which are not tested. So I hope you get maybe some ideas from me. You can use, you can try, but there is no assurance that it will work. I was planning to go to Timoleste three years ago. I wanted to go there for three weeks and try to make workshops there for editing Wikipedia. And I heard before of many people who went to the Global South, made wonderful workshops, people were coming and everybody was happy and everybody was excited to write articles in Wikipedia in their own language. And just when the teacher has gone from the country, every editing stopped at once. So the question is what is worth or what could we do? Okay, so what to do? It would take two minutes? Does everyone have their bags with you? They are bags. Does everyone have their own bags? No one is missing a bag, right? No one is missing a bag, okay. No, that's mine. Okay, there's a black bag in the plenary. If you are missing a black bag, please head to the plenary to claim it. Thank you. Sorry for disrupting. Okay, so where we have been. Yes, and what was the possibility to make it more real for a longer time? And I was thinking to my experiences in Germany, which editors are staying in the community, not stopping editing after a short time. And this are mostly the ones who are meeting each other in real life. So the social life is very, very important for many editors, for many users of Wikipedia, Wikimedia. And so this would maybe be the possibility for these young communities to exist. So how to create a community? It's mainly really about social lives. And we have in Munich one of the oldest user meetings in real life. We call it the Stammtisch. So it's a meeting in a bar or a little restaurant once a month and just come there and talk to each other. No other thing, no computers, no mobiles, just talk to each other. Maybe talking about something what you've done in Wikipedia, but it could be something about social life just to become friends, just to understand each other and maybe solving some conflicts too. That's quite important there. Another thing is organizing tours, excursions. In Munich we are going together sometimes at weekends to one of our mountains, wandering around there in the nature, making many, many photos. Many photos loading up later for comments. So that's the result for the Wikimedia, but it's again a social community making stronger together. We are doing projects together. We are going to museums, asking them to making photos of their exhibitions or their archives. We are going around the city making photos of the buildings. We are organizing edit tons about different teams, for example. And during this time, sometimes we are giving lessons again for new editors. Competitions are always very, very important for Wikimedians. Many, many people started with competitions to editing or making photos for Wikimedia. Of course, when you start first in a country, the media is very important. I think in Germany it started really Wikipedia in 2005 when everybody was talking about Wikipedia. What is Wikipedia? It was in national TV, it was in every newspaper. And so the people started, whoa, what's that? What's Wikipedia? How does it work? And maybe try it. Oh, it's missing so much. So I have to write a little bit more too. And suddenly, you're an editor and don't know why. Surely you have to work together with organizations. We heard about Uzbek Wikipedia here. Some days ago, they are working together with government, quite successful. Universities are another possibility to get in contact. Maybe some professors are able to help. We have some examples when universities ask their students to write Wikipedia articles as lesson. NGOs could be quite helpful or we can help NGOs too. For example, female rights organizations talking about people health, for example, or bringing people closer to information about pregnancy or against violence against women. Even such organizations like the churches are possible to contact. They want to bring information about the religion, fundamental information to the people. Of course there you have to be very careful that the articles are neutral. The UNESCO is sometimes a help. They have a lot of material which could be used in Wikipedia. You can ask tourist organizations maybe to support you. You can make articles about your area, your country, and make photos. There are many, many, many possibilities for organizations to find. But the only problem in the end is you have to find the right people who want to write Wikipedia all the time and go on writing even after the teacher has gone. That's my five minutes for talking. And now you can ask and you can give me some comments. You can add some ideas if you like. You're welcome. Everybody's full. So we have no little tea break, right? Sometimes take some breath first. Take a microphone. Maybe I'm Daniel. I'm from the Malaysian user group. And I don't really have any ideas. It's just maybe just a feeling of trying to be hopeful, keeping hope. Because when I had a meet-up in 2016, the first Malaysian user group meet-up, it was just three of us. I was the only Malaysian because Butch is based in Singapore. Dolly is Indonesian, but he commits to Malaysian articles. So I just came in as a researcher wanting to meet real Wikipedians. But I was the only Malaysian. And this year we have a Wikipedian of the year from Malaysia. So I think they're out there. But like you say, the outreach and the kind of promotion needs to go. And then eventually it kind of builds up over time, hopefully. We have to find the guys, the wood which we can make on fire really. Yes. I was wondering with those Wikipedians that have engagement with previous, with other cultural institutions and maybe library institutions such as museums, libraries, archives, open data initiatives, activists. Would those be more likely to continue their contribution to Wikipedia? Basically, do those already have some kind of commitment with knowledge or open knowledge and his three keeping alive initiatives, would they be more likely to stick around? Sorry, I didn't really understand what you wanted to ask. So maybe a short. No, I'm just wondering with those Wikipedians that already have some commitments or participation in other cultural institutions or movements, more likely to stay around? I was talking about places just like Timor-Leste where there is nearly nothing in the moment about Wikipedia. So there are the contacts you have to find, you have to find the people. We have now three, four people who want to create a user group in Timor-Leste and to get in contact with all the organizations. We're getting help from several user groups, several Wikimedias now who want to help us like Philippines, Indonesia and German Wikipedia too. So there are many people with many ideas and many supports, but in the end, these guys will be at home in their home country and they have to find their own ways, of course, because I think every country, every culture is different. I can tell how it works in Germany, for example, or how it works in Indonesia and it could be happened that it's totally different than Timor-Leste, so we have found out. But collecting all the ideas is always good to find solutions, of course. Of course, one of the things that we might consider as well is that there might not be those perfect people to find, but what we often need to find is those people in different areas of life. Just like in Estonia, we are, again, not even giving out different awards like Best Wikifotographer of the Year. Because, again, photographers often don't do anything else, but they do add photos. We're giving away our, for instance, friend of Wikipedia award. That does not go to the Wikipedians, that goes to those people, some outside organizations just like this, mentioning clam and institutions that somehow have benefited Wikipedia with their actions and activities and whatever they have communicated out to the general public. It does not mean that they themselves have ever edited. Many of them haven't. But they have done something that really benefits Wikipedia. And of course, there are sort of awards for Wikipedians as well. I mean, there are different areas and this is something that also we might want to pay attention to, that sometimes we don't need people to be Wikipedians to benefit Wikipedia. Okay, but I think this is the second step to find the people which are the cloud all around Wikimedia, Wikipedia, which can support the people. But the problems we have to find the people which are building the core of the new user group and the editors there. We can have one last question, short please. It's more. So we were talking about Timalesz, just for context. And because I'm a steward, I was wondering if there is like some kind of handbook or steps to take when you're starting a community, like electing your first administrator. And I'm helping them now, of course, but it's just by chance that we meet. I want to propose a suggestion, creating like first steps on that. I know they're capacity building stuff, et cetera, et cetera, trainings, but really becoming active in your own project. I'm not sure if there's anything. Leon, do you know anything? There are some things, some rules written by former activists. But there is really nearly nothing. So we have to start in everything. That's the problem. And we have to know where to start. And we have to find the people who wants to start anyhow. So I'm an optimist in this way. Okay, but we have to find the ideas to get more and more people. Munich has 1.3 million inhabitants. Same as Timor-Leste. I think in Munich, where I come from, there are around 250 editors for Wikipedia. If we can get up to 20 or 30 in Timor-Leste, it would be a big success, I would say. Okay, so thank you very much.


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