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We we we were always planning to do the eric taxon thing and then joseph decided to uh Correct his viewers and it's resulted in hilarity So we were just like, oh, how do we cover that and eric taxon putting that putting that in the same video It just does not not not meld whatsoever. So that we separated them out um And we decided to bring on uh What name are we running with fring? Why? Fring daddy g Man, you put me on the spot He was he's been here for now. Is this your third e-fap or second third e-fap insane Yes, or as we we call them one fring to rule them all There's a lot of stamina you got there You can do fring dog too Fring dog. Yeah, that's yeah, so many potential options here. Let's just make it an interchangeable thing for the whole Whatever comes to mind Uh, so today watch your diet because you don't want to accidentally get some fring worms I guess we should Give those who haven't seen e-fap episode. I want to say 11 Yeah, yeah, because it was after the toro one. I think so Uh, he Joe's fans and finally released his fabled video were explained Why horror games don't work for him and unfortunately he framed a lot of the things in that video as we covered it, uh Like the the best way I can put it is the difference between objective and subjective He had a lot of statements that people were like, but you just you just said that was true and that's not a true like Just just random shit like you play as a superhero because you respawn people are like, no you don't Because that's not what's happening It's important to understand that the way that he said certain things and the way that he said other things made it confusing Because he would sometimes say in my opinion And then other times he just state things as though they were true And you had a history He's a history with with uh soma is not a horror game Which she still defends to this day is not being a mistake of writing. It's just that's now I think it's I think it's important to start comparisons right away Like if somebody says soma is not a horror game and somebody says the sun is not a star Are they both not equivalents in terms of the way that they're phrased as though they're factual statements Oh in that case. Yes, but he would argue the difference is important that the genre is subjective Therefore him saying it's not this is the thing even if it was what he's just stated is as you've just put it It would be a statement rather than Him saying I never felt it was a horror game, which I probably would have gone over a hell of a lot better with people Well, it's just once you change the words Like if you if you take the same sentence and then just change a few words Somehow because it's about a video game. It's no longer a statement of facts Like if I if I said for example if I said the sun is a star Uh super smash brothers is a fighting game Are they not both statements of truth or objective statements or is one of them an opinion Because it's about a video game and not a star Is that how it works? We would rather sit in reality and say, yeah, you shouldn't have wrote it like that because it's you're saying a thing It's true, but but no he was like no it makes sense if you really just understand how he uses all the different words, but It's it's it's so Everything to do with art Is is subjective everything to do with science would be objective And and his position is basically that if you say anything that's factual, it's no longer an opinion It's just a fact But that's unfortunately for him that doesn't follow the uh Our words work. That's not what they're defined as. It's not people use them. So Uh, you ultimately are sitting in a position where you're like, okay So we take your definition or we take the definition that people have agreed on collectively like or or significantly Let's say which is the whole point of language The thing is if he just came onto one of these to talk about it It would be way easier to figure out what he means Yes or to reach some sort of conclusion, but he he doesn't want to talk to mohler No, he really doesn't like to I remember it's not even the word I use it's the fact that I insulted him It's what he cites it which just putting it out there if you've insulted me. I'm still up for chatting with you It's not a principle I hold because there's so many contexts. I mean Me and wolf never would have met if he had taken my insult away. Joseph Anderson took it This is how we cite it every day like the ragnarok.  There you go. It's done now. No more friendship And I guess I gotta be honest. I don't like green people Oh, well Well, that's an irreconcilable difference You might be like that's context though. It freaks already both. I just like that's the Joseph Anderson never actually sold my video. He didn't uh, he's he's admitted. He hasn't seen anything for me So he's just going off somebody told him I insulted him which is To me, it's just like man, you just looked for any thread to not speak to me, didn't you? That's the best you got if you didn't like take snipes in this video, which is what this video is It's just him sniping He won't mention who it's about but it's clearly in response to the podcast that we did Oh, uh, it's it's not just us. That's the thing. We weren't the only people who had an issue So it's A response to us and other people but Funnily enough, I wanted to mention, uh, do you guys know the youtuber skill up? I know No of him, but like I put a I put a comment on joe's video like trying to go through my main issues with it And uh, he responded to by that guy saying, uh Like I was inconsistent Nonsensical and just rude It's like did he did he ever qualify did he ever qualify that? Did he give an example? No Um, his his description though is balanced thoughtful and mature gaming coverage of cool games So that seems mildly hypocritical. Yeah, that seems inconsistent one might say Well, it's just like, you know, happy willing to talk to him But that's probably not gonna happen either whatever they open it's like that I'm just like just just keep the doors open whatever but um Their mother's basement who's apparently an anime reviewer Hit me up on twitter. Well Didn't directly Someone had to send me it because he was talking about how off base I was Without adding me of course because why you know don't want to get me involved Um, but then you're gonna go find it on twitter me and him had a back and forth the lasted ages During it. He cited his five-year professional career to me. Um That includes being a youtuber by the way. That's like a part of it And he was saying like this is clear evidence that I know what I'm talking about sort of thing and it's just like You're a youtuber too though.  Um But yeah, the the the this chaos has come from this Um for for joseph especially like there's loads of criticisms coming at him that he just cannot handle criticism Like that this just it comes down to that sort of thing and we'll we'll see about that because there is Interesting though, like that's just interesting to me that a critic Doesn't like being criticized. What critics that can't take criticism done done done um Yeah, what I liked as well is so he was like, you know, no content of art is truly bad or anything are objectively bad One of the top comments was um pulled out 76 is objectively bad Yeah And no, I was looking at the responses and some people said as long as one person enjoys it as long as someone's enjoying it It can't be considered objectively bad Right.  So that's now it's up for interpretation Well, when I first heard about that from moller, my response was okay So if somebody makes a game, but they never sell it or tell anybody about it and it just sits on their hard drive Is it a bad game because nobody enjoyed it? Oh, yeah, that came apart pretty fun. That's one of those bleep bloop logic dyke It's help I should get the mario death sound ready.  It is a good design decision that you should do Yeah, so, uh, I guess we should open with um What is what is an opinion? anyone See we really need to oh, he's gonna come up in the video.  So that's what the opinion is Yeah, I also have an estimation of the quality of uh, or worth of something or someone Or the beliefs or views of a large number or majority of people about a particular thing Uh But but I like uh an opinions a judgment viewpoint or statement that is not conclusive And this puts it at odds with objective. Oh, yeah, that would uh, this is the problem. Um Fundamentally with a lot of words It would eventually come down to uh, what definition you've chosen and as long as that's clear then the communication can go through But like the most widely accepted Uh definition for opinion as far as I'm aware nice one wolf A view or judgment formed about something not necessarily based on fact or knowledge So the idea is right, but that not necessarily is important though. Not necessarily. It doesn't mean definitely not Um, yes, you could have a you could have a an opinion that like an unjustified opinion And and you'd be like guys, I'm quintin.   He makes America look worse than it already is blah blah blah Okay, but again middle of a fucking reform review that came in It's a don't human Yeah, so anyway a view or judgment and you're like, oh, so maybe that could give joseph wiggle room but it's like um in the definition of judgment which I found amusing was uh, it's like Just give me one sec. Yeah an opinion or conclusion is a part of the definition of judgment So if an opinion is a judgment that can be based on facts An opinion a judgment can mean an opinion It's like it's it's it's you get to the point where you're starting to discover the problem with the english language, but Uh, all we're advocating for is that you can share a perspective To to use to not use the word opinion right now You can share a perspective that is irrelevant of your emotion Which would be objective and then the exact same thing as an opinion sharing a view or judgment Is that you know does that make sense to everyone here? essentially objective means that it It isn't affected by your opinions subjectively your opinion is wrong the definition of objective, um At least the adjective not the noun because the noun is you know, like a goal or anything like that But the definition of an objective Adjective is of a person Or their judgment not influenced by personal feelings or opinions in considering and representing facts I'm going another definition is on this based only on the facts and not influenced by personal feelings or beliefs So Surely a person is capable of being objective. Yes. What yeah, so you can have an objective opinion Depending on what definition No, but depending on what definition you use if you use the standard of an opinions a judgment viewpoint or statement That's not conclusive just because it's an opinion does not mean it can't be conclusive Yeah, it's just because it's an opinion. Yeah, you can't use that as the only criteria to find out If the proposition you're accepting is subjective Is adjective the definition is based on or influenced by personal feelings tastes or opinions Yeah, so we know what the difference is now I mean, we already did know but those are people who are curious on where we stand on this because There's another thing that joseph didn't really do but we'll get to that The yeah, so not influenced by personal feelings or opinions. So for me to make an opinion I'll just say like I really like Um, I don't know apples There's just there's just something I really like you'd be like last year opinion Whereas an objective statement would be an apple is a fruit. Yeah Apples are good because they're not orange So if you if you said apples taste good to me That's an opinion. That's an opinion objectively. Yes So what we're trying to say is you you keep providing opinions and you'd be like How do you split these into subjective and objective? Like well one one's some approvable some of the self truths that only can be proven by the person itself Uh Based on feelings based on your reactions to things and the as much as you want to be like Everything is based on reactions because everything's based on senses. You'd be like well at that point then Do you surmise that nothing in science is objective? And if you do because there are people who do then that's fine, but then we're talking about worldviews. So Virtual virtual shadow says if everything is subjective I can say it's objective because I say it's my it's my subjective way of using objective Oh god This is what happens when you start Like fiddling around with the way that words work.  Joseph has since concluded that It's essentially he's like agreeing with us But not he's basically said you can share an opinion That is founded in fact, but it would still be personal or something like that He'd be like you could share an opinion that only has facts and is based on facts But it's not objective because it's an opinion if you are sharing Something subjective it is an opinion if you're sharing something objective It is no longer an opinion what he's trying to say is an opinion is determined by what the statement was While we're saying the opinion is what you start with the content of it determines what kind of an opinion it is Yes, your opinion can be wrong But it can also be right. Mm-hmm.  Well, it's all my opinions will leave me a lot It's like no no no no we were having a discussion about your opinion And this is chaos This isn't news to me exactly It's like god damn like it gets Everyone gets so defensive the second their opinion is challenged even though that's the whole thing we're doing here That's what we're doing every day And the thing is you know if you say something like if you make a statement like soma isn't a horror game I haven't played but for the people who did Clearly that kind of robbed them the wrong way Because of the way that you put it across I mean it'd be great if you just you know blame them for misinterpreting what you meant Just listen to his audience.  Also, I just realized I'm giving you guys the invite for the watch together, which We're gonna do in a moment, but first um This is a couple of comments that I found interesting from his video that sum up a lot of the issues better than I guess some of us could because this is coming from people who are like You know, some of these people are in love with his channel. So they're very passionate in Disagreement And uh, this will tie into how he responds to the comments in this video, but uh You guys have the The album if you go to the first one, I'm assuming rags would like to read it out by bob billson Yeah, um, so the video is called subjectivity is implied and this is obviously works as a sort of reaction Just to the title alone Bob billson People are well aware that subjectivity is implied whether rightfully or wrongfully a significant number of people view your videos as arrogant and dismissive of alternate views This very video unfortunately supports that assertion So that'll be yet to be proved But the the idea is subjectivity doesn't it's not a shield. It doesn't work that way Yes, that's true. Um bob sorus says Uh, we have a theme with bob It's true that subjectivity is implied, but you're making the erroneous claim of because it's in a video It must be subjective and that movie is bad. That's clearly subjective. It's not worthy of qualification of in my opinion However, when you say something like that movie has such glaring plot holes that to enjoy it You have to actively ignore the failings of its writing That's clearly overstepping the bounds of reasonable subjectivity Sure, there is still discussion to be had But clearly this individual is making a bold claim that cannot simply be lumped in as another subjective opinion When you make the claim of current horror games require those who enjoy them to ignore its failings You are extending not only your personal opinions, but also Very clearly making a statement about those who do You spend a good portion of the video literally talking about how people who are scared by horror games must be x y or z This is obviously not talking about yourself because you literally start the video with the fact that horror games don't scare you anymore So too long getting read you made a video talking about how other people are scared by horror games because they can or are Ignoring x y z failings That is by no measure a subjective claim that is on the level of that movie was bad and making that comparison is rather baffling Yeah, and and the fact is like that movie was bad for me I'm just like do you mean you didn't like it or do you mean it was badly made because uh Some people can take that place between the two I think yeah, I think that you can because for example I think venom is bad, but I liked it Um, it's not good Yeah, the room is another example So when I say the room is bad, you don't need to assume that I hate the room and I don't like the room But I could have been independent of what you think of the it's it doesn't necessarily have anything to do with What personally thought of it And that's that's that is textbook definition of what objective is Yeah, but we don't want those pesky definitions getting in the way of my defense. Just turn off those pesky dictionaries Objectivist use vote bots to downvote our opinions the objectivists. Yeah, objectivists like this video It's your moral duty Apparently joseph deleted your comment Oh, well, I you never know anymore on youtube because weird things happen on youtube You know one way to find out is to go to your email And in the email there's a section for like youtube notifications. And if you can find someone replying to that You're replying to that comment in the gmail you can click on it and it'll take you to the comment And if it's been deleted, I wouldn't be able to see it. Yeah, so you're on social It'll say new comment on such and such or a new reply on such and such a new reply on this and that And then if you click that link It will bring you to the Um, imagine you go to the movies with a friend Um, well, so if I click a notification that I actually do have uh It does take me to the comment and I can't see it My theory is that it's been reported enough that it's been taken into The spam folder or whatever. Can you link me? Is there a link to it?  That would just bring so much flak for him But I could believe that it got reported by people who don't like me and has been forced into a I see yours. However um I do not I see yours, but i'm using your link So let me know if you're looking at incognito test. I don't necessarily see it. That's a thing No, I don't think it doesn't show up anymore for people outside, but I think it's in his spam folder now because it's been reported Yeah Yeah, and it's up to him to release it or not obviously just because he hasn't done it. That doesn't mean he's keeping it They're delivering might have missed it. Yeah One thing that might be strange is that sometimes people are unable to like reply it and get to it which is why um A comment can be there and it gains a lot of upvotes and it gains a lot of replies and then all of a sudden Basically, all of the upvotes stop because nobody new is seeing the comment And the only people who are getting to the comments are people who are adding on to the chain But yeah, don't I just all I'll say is don't automatically assume that the the person's deleting them because youtube's weird um He doesn't Joseph doesn't delete a lot of the criticism So I would assume he's got a catchall rule to not delete any to be honest He's probably like me. I don't actually look at my spam folder anymore because it's too much um But if I was too and it's in social No, well whatever folder it's in if I could like check all and approve I could do that But I do just send yeah Yeah, it's weird because even on youtube if you set it to allow all comments. It'll still mark some of spam Um, but anyway, do you want to read the the last one before we get into the video? It's from Owen Crowley. Um, Owen Crowley says just because it's subjective doesn't mean you aren't making an argument An argument invites people to argue their own points So when you try to rationalize why games aren't scary to you you are trying to persuade them to see your reasoning It's natural that if you present all your points and your listener is unconvinced you're inviting them to present their argument Criticism is a discussion in an exchange just like in literature In the end no one has to yield their subjective view and we are all probably better for having everyone heard I don't envy your position being the one all of this is directed towards Mm-hmm, which is it's the whole thing is really complicated because this is basically the bedrock of discussion Like this is this is as base as you can get, you know Um, and he's just released a video to sort of be like nailed it and it's like you've really not nailed it I mean if anything is worse, he's definitely made it worse I haven't said anything at all Kiwi said her that comment is poor man's mathematosis. Wait, wait. Well, this is like We've got all these lined up so that they'll match what joseph says Like these are responses to actual parts to his video So it's better to read them as they come sort of thing, but the first three are just about the title That's good. All right. So is everyone ready to hear out his argument for subjectivity is implied Okay, how long did it take us to get to the video for 28 minutes? Yeah, that's not too bad That's actually pretty good. Mm-hmm. Yes. Here we go Imagine you go to the movies with a friend Irrigate how do you go to the movies with a friend? Imagine you go to the movies with a friend You see whatever is new and popular and afterwards you start discussing it as you leave the theater You thought the movie was just okay. Meanwhile, your friend turns to you and says that movie was really good How do you respond? Do you a disagree and have a discussion with them about it? The same part of a What do you mean? Oh, wait, have you guys gotten to be already? We're he's I got a big c on my screen.  I'm only on a Took a watch together just not sinking us properly.  Okay. We'll we'll stop when we get to see and then talk about it Do a disagree and have a discussion with them about it Be ask why they liked it and hear them out or see rip off your shirt in a frothing rage Okay, well, we'll stop at throthing rage. So yeah, he said the options are to say you disagreed and talk about it Talk about it. We'll then ask them why they liked it and talk about it And then see to go now just go hand in hand, you know, they feel like they're more or less the same really In a casual context. It's basically the same I love the I don't know where to begin with this we got such a weird way to start the video so um Something that uh glib pointed out he's someone who hangs a lot on the disc or a lot.  He will create options Out of like this such a broad Uh possibility of answers and then you'd be like, so do you do this or this in this case?  The answer could be just they have no idea what I mean You would go from there. Yeah, you have to you just you take it as as you go and the idea that you're like I I thought I thought it was that I put it in the comment I was like, isn't it just most clear to be like so did you enjoy it? Or did you think it was well made and if that was your concern if your concern was literally just Tell me more then you would say that right Yeah, but there's nothing wrong with asking somebody well, what do you mean specifically? Yeah, because if there anything really wrong with that If we came out of the cinema of the room and I said man that film was incredibly well made Then you guys would be like no it wasn't but if I said it was incredibly good You're curious of which which two statements. I would probably know what you mean and I'd be like, yeah I will yep. I I agree. That was amazing. That's that's exactly the thing is it's it's really is sort of a false dichotomy because what He what is related to Joseph Anderson was he wrote a script? And then made a video for his job Where he didn't explain things properly And he's trying to compare that to just a casual conversation as you walk out of a theater Yeah, which is like they can be compared And I mean he's not necessarily said anything that's incorrect here I'm just saying the framing is retarded where he's just like this is this happens This happens all this crazy person goes nuts. You're like, what when When does that ever happen? And you'd be like the comment section someone said in the comment section in all caps Joseph you're wrong.  I hate you I'd be like, oh come on Joe like really Joe come on now Joe now come on Yes We'll we'll this this this uh We're gonna try and do the whole you know Make sure we hear his arguments perfectly because Joseph has the one person we're not allowed to criticize as much But I choose c I choose c2. It's the best answer. You have I don't even know what the rest is. You have me a frothing rage Or c rip off your shirt in a frothing rage and ask how dare they represent their opinion as objective fact That they're a monster for trying to speed everyone in and declare the movie as Really good Then you launch into your rehearsed speech about how important it is to remember everyone has a different opinion and I do this and to be I'm sorry, but like has he has he never come across a scenario where someone says something and he's like Well, hey, that's not true And then they go was my opinion This is kind of what we're talking about the fundamentals. It's uh The two sides of the aisle that are fighting right now on one side You have the people saying Be clear because you keep presenting your feelings as arguments of truth and then the other side is like hey Listen better.  Yeah, is it on the listener or the speaker And I would say it's on the speaker. Oh, absolutely. It's on the speaker to be clear If if the viewers have to say what do you mean by that? Well, obviously they could be I could say like an apple is a fruit and then they go what do you mean by that? And I'd be like go look at the words Right, but the thing is is that people aren't being facetious here. They actually genuinely want to understand Yeah, we'd like to clarify that he found soma to be not scary not that he considers it Just not a horror. It's like what? Please tell me Joseph that you so baffling. Yeah, that's why it's on the writer in that scenario I suppose that's what I would say. It's sometimes on the writer. Sometimes on the speaker Yeah, I mean the the listener. Sorry and Yeah, we'll just keep keep plowing through active fact that they're a monster for trying to speak for everyone and declare the movie as Really good Then you launch into your rehearse speech about how important it is to remember everyone has a different opinion and I think you get the point of this exaggerated example The reason you would not do this and to be clear here if is because In the world has ever Just ripped off this shirt I like that you have to apologize for doing it like who would do that? Yeah, like is this ever been done? Is this the thing? Why are you thought? Why is your video talking about that? That's never happened He even admits it's an exaggerated. This is an exaggerated example and if you've done it I was like, oh, oh, you're trying to talk to people in the audience who've done it. Oh No one's ever done that But if you did you should apologize Okay I think you get the point of this exaggerated example The reason you would not do this and to be clear here if you have done this to someone you owe them an apology Is because even though the statement has no formal declaration of an opinion the subjective nature of it is implied Both so what do you think of that? Even if it was why can't you have a discussion about it? The thing is I feel like a fundamental issue with this video is that I think the way you can frame something being your opinion is by saying I think or in my opinion But there are a lot of different ways that you could say something And have it come across as your opinion There are so many ways that you can do that like English is it's quite a diverse language, you know There's a lot of ways that you can convey something as your opinion without saying in my opinion. It's just harder Yes, if I say if I say Fringy is tall That's my opinion Jenna said if I kept the shirt odd would it be okay? I have to ask Joseph about that one I'm not sure if it's the shirt being on or off is the problem or the other parts Hey, I mean they get to look at a woman A whammon, but yeah, uh the subnets subnets What the hell English was that the subjective nature of the statement implies it's it's an opinion is is what he's saying So you wouldn't need to say it's my opinion if it's obviously subjective now Um, he's like he's like almost he's like using he's he's he's right in certain scenarios He's he's completely wrong in the scenario. He's trying to use it for here. So if I said to you guys Uh, I feel cold And you're in the room and you're like it's clearly hot in this room and I go Well, yeah, I'm saying I feel cold Like I don't have to change my statement because it was already subjective with the word feel I don't have to say I feel cold in my opinion But if if if for example, it was 40 degrees which here like if you Translate it to the incorrect measurement of temperature. That's really hot if I said man, it's cold, huh? It's really cold today Do you think that anybody would be like, oh, well, that's just your opinion, you know Well, but even things like even things like hot and cold and short and tall are relative Yes, generally it's under generally we have we share an understanding that someone who's That someone who's seven feet tall for instance is tall, right? And generally we share the sentiment that even though it's not absolute zero like kelvin negative 200 degrees If it's below zero, it's cold Yeah Is because even though the statement has no formal declaration of an opinion the subjective nature of it is implied So the problem that he's obviously applying this to the somer is not a horror game one as well Because he stands by that. He's about to follow it up though Well, I'm I'm I'm asking does it does this apply uh to that? What do you guys think and that almost comes into a conversation about genre because No, because we have objective criteria for what constitutes a genre He doesn't think so. He thinks the Like the thing is the dictionary does so i'm sorry if he can't read well Like how do I go ahead. I was just gonna say do we have to go to Defining genre on the dictionary and then defining adventure on the dictionary horror on the dictionary and like Well, I think you need to be we all know that there's games that'll do a thing Because that's clearly horror. It has that shared understanding. That's how we know Well, that's the thing Goes both ways Now if and if you wanted to look it up, then it would just confirm that Check out this definition of horror a literary or film genre concerned with arousing feelings of horror So it it is a horror game by definition. So it's a horror game And well the interesting thing is you'd be like feelings of horror So let's look at the other definition of horror that fits in so you'd be a literary or film genre concerned with arousing feelings of intense fear shock or disgust And Right, so it's kind of and the fact that it says concerned with arousing those feelings. It doesn't mean it has to it means it's trying It just has to make the attempt Yes, which is and as far as he's concerned is if the genre does not make you feel those things Then it is not that genre to you subjectively which so if I don't laugh at a comedy A comedy Okay He's hanging he's hanging the genre on the effect and not the attempt which is his mistake Right, and let's let's hear this whole statement out now so that we've covered that someone you owe them an apology Is because even though the statement has no formal declaration of an opinion the subjective nature of it is implied Both by the situation that it's taking place in a casual conversation after seeing a movie and by the basics of communication I know the first part was right the first part was right, but that second part is not right the basics of communication So, uh, I'm gonna what should I call this the list of condescending the list of just I want to say massive fagotry, but I think I might be inclined to agree For the list of Let me say the basics of conversation Yeah, the basics of conversation So joseph anison is extremely condescending in several moments of his videos. I don't think I've ever seen a more condescending video than this one Uh, it was impressive. Let's just hear that again to make sure I got it right This and to be clear here if you have done this to someone you owe them an apology Is because even though the statement has no formal declaration of an opinion the subjective nature of it is implied Both by the situation that it's taking place in a casual conversation after seeing a movie And by the basics of communication Yeah, so you're saying that if you don't understand it's subjective then you don't understand the basics of communication Which is not my fault Not my fault. It's the audience. The it's just so you don't you don't want to say that to your audience when they're having trouble with something You've made you say sorry guys.   There's two m's in communication, right? Yeah, yes But uh, no, that's your opinion. That's just your opinion Yeah, because subjectively I think communication is only one because I can only hear one m come communication Anyway, let's keep Applied both by the situation that it's taking place in a casual conversation after seeing a movie and by the basics of communication Everyone knows different people like different things and that no one is actually trying to speak for everyone when they make statements like That movie was really good Right. No, that's wrong. Can What depends depends depends if you just walked out of the room then sure, but if you're making a video called I don't know the room is really good really Then then yeah, what's so wrong about that? Okay, so let me present the issue. I say the haunting of uh hill house. They got it right. Well, I say the haunting of hill house Is good finally and then you guys go Oh, so that's subjective and then I go no I'm actually talking about the the fundamentals of filmmaking in relation to the show and then you go. Oh So that statement what I'm trying to say is that statement can be objective Meaning you need the clarification as long as one person on this planet used it objectively Then now you need to know every time you talk to somebody which one are they going with What's wrong with that good because the thing is we were discussing a while ago what Good means and that isn't a silly question. I know it sounds like people say silly, but it's it's actually Semantically, but when you say that yeah, but when you say something is good The definition that I really like for good is its second definition, which is having the qualities required for a particular role So that's why you can point to a scissors and the um A good scissors is sharp a good. Yes. Yeah. A good scissors is sharp Right or if you if you use a scissors and it's not very and it doesn't cut paper Yeah, because it's too dull Then those scissors are bad. So she is the qualities required for a well for instance for a video game since This is mainly about game criticism um There's probably base standards for a game that we would consider good i.e When you press a button 100 of the time the input happens Like surely surely there are certain things we can agree Are fundamental pre-requisites for being a good game That everybody can agree on funny. We're talking about language by the way And I think the correct term is actually a pair of scissors and scissor I've I've actually heard it the other way maybe I might be using an archaic way because I learned it from a charlie brown comic So that might be the case. I've always said and I know I'd just say a pair of scissors if I'm not saying scissors. I normally say where are I need some scissors. Yeah, yeah You know that would work too, but I but now I Oh, and if you didn't get it already folks who are watching If you're not interested in semantics or pedantry This is not going to be an interesting stream because we this whole thing is a discussion of what words mean Like yeah, yeah, it looks like I'm it looks like I'm using an older Yeah, because the way that I learned it was just Okay, so it you so you would have a scissors blade If you're talking about one of them one of the blades on a pair of scissors is a scissors blade Or just a scissor So Yeah, no anyway Yeah point being he says it's obviously subjective And then it's like no the statement can be objective depending on what would this is the thing I hate to say it but rags has already pointed out good doesn't have one definition Yes, and obviously he's using the primary one which is to be desired, which would obviously be subjective It would be the most I believe it would be the most useful in this scenario because If your definition of good is relating it to desired roles Desired roles essentially we have lists of criteria that we can use to judge it by that standard Yeah, and if someone says oh, I meant good by I like it. It's good for me and you go. Oh, yeah Well, that's subjective Right and you can use it that way, but this is what I mean. You want the clarification. What's so wrong with that? Yeah, and if people ask for clarification, that's okay That's like this whole I know that there are people out there who are thinking that we're being super anal about this But we're responding to a video of someone's being as we're not the ones who told our audience that they don't understand the basics It's always okay, and you see this in debates a lot of the time and stuff It's okay to ask for clarification And on my discord all the time and when i'm talking with people I say what do you mean by that? Yeah And it's and it's okay because if I want some quality because it often helps It really helps when you're arguing about something or debating something or you're trying to get to the bottom of something Um, I was having a chat the other day with somebody who said that doom 2016's multiplayer is not an arena shooter And I asked him really what do you mean by that? What makes it? What about it? How does it not meet the criteria essentially? And he said well because you can choose loadouts And so I said well does the ability to choose a loadout mean it is no longer an arena shooter and obviously the carried out as you might expect but asking questions and having people Answer those questions often makes them think about the things that they've said Making somebody qualify things that they believe Helps to further a conversation and a discussion. What is language for if not what he's just laid out? exactly Anyway, and language isn't perfect. No, it's not English language is especially hilarious So it is okay. That's what's one of the reasons it's so kind of fun and you could play around with it Because it's kind of in a lot of ways it can be very loose and it can also be extremely precise So it just depends on who you're talking to What you're talking to them about and if somebody says can you explain something? You can do that do it And if you don't understand what somebody else is saying Ask them to explain it and besides to say someone doesn't understand the basic communication and then to not actually go over it Like we've just done we I mean you could be like you haven't done that and we'd be like, okay, we're trying Like we're trying to give definitions and explain how things are used instead. He's just like no, I'm right. You're wrong Okay, that's great. Thanks So, uh, move it on Let's go to here Everyone knows different people like different things and that no one is actually trying to speak for everyone when they make statements Like that movie was really good. Yeah, well, yeah Right. No, that's wrong Considering that you're watching this on my youtube channel where I regularly present my opinions in videos I'm sure you know where I'm going with this and you may immediately think that it's not fair to compare statements Man, it's a part of his parody video. I think it's April's one. He's like pretending to be terrible at cuphead because that's That's the mean okay opinions in videos I'm sure you know where I'm going with this and you may immediately think that it's not fair to compare statements made An everyday conversation to those made in a scripted video. Well, that's true But uh, that's very true as he's just said is like my videos have always been this way and it's like, yeah But this this way Is clearly something your viewers weren't aware of or at least don't share with you Yeah, that is that is a defense Uh, that doesn't hold up Because I mean that would be ridiculous to say but this is how we've always done it Joseph anison in all credit to him has made several videos that are very long that have lots of evidence in them Lots of statements of fact lots of objective opinions where he says stuff like This isn't working because of this and shows it Or mario has the broadest move set in super mario odyssey. That's uh, that's not your opinion. That's provable It's yes And he does prove it right implied subjectivity there Well, he does by listing off the moves that you can do is that his opinion or is that Like obviously it's not your opinion, but now you've told me that subjectivity is implied So how am I meant to figure out?  Yeah, and and we don't expect perfection But when it's like an ongoing discussion as to what did he mean Yeah, maybe work on it And it's fine. It's not like it's not we're not passing moral judgment on you You know, this isn't this is doesn't have anything to do with your character. Maybe how you respond to it more so But oh definitely Yeah, you talking about something especially if it's a complicated subject like imagine how many times philosophy professors and stuff have to repeat things and restate things so that they can get the point across And it's a difference That's just the nature of the beast the difference between describing something as boring and monotonous Or or repetitive the all these words could be used in the same sentence depending on the context But they all mean if you tell me something's boring and I didn't find it boring I'm just like well, that's not true But boring is a feeling so I can assume that you just meant subjectively But what if you said oh no, I meant that it's it's the same thing over and over again It wasn't yeah, I could be like well Why didn't you use monotonous because boring is a feeling You you'd be accurate in saying it's repetitive, but that doesn't necessarily mean it's it's boring And then once again, you'd be like wow, you'd be pedantic and it's like that's language.  But um, yeah, well we'll kick on On my youtube channel where I regularly present my opinions in videos I'm sure you know where I'm going with this and you may immediately think that it's not fair to compare statements made an Everyday conversation to those made in a scripted video However, I don't think that's true nor do I think you'd really want that if you fully understood what the result would be Okay Yeah, let's see that a little bit.  I know right? I would never I was like I would never tell my audience that I like maybe maybe like in a super joking way about something that's an obvious joke Like this is the best thing ever and if you don't agree that such and such is the best character in this anime Then you're wrong and I hate you or and you don't understand fine art or something Like, you know, obviously something that's hyperbolic as a joke, but to say that His audience unironically of like you wouldn't want that if you understood what it meant just like In the chat Sorry, what hello to cynic snacks in the chat Hello pizza man Um, but yeah, that uh, let's Let's hear what his take is on uh on how that would result So let's demonstrate exactly what's happening The video I released before this one is a great example since there are over a hundred comments on it that address Objectivity versus subjectivity instead of discussing anything brought up in the video. It's almost like you failed to communicate Yeah, how do you not get that? Yes, and you know what that's okay. You could say, you know, that's interesting It's interesting that people are focusing on that Let me make a video about subjectivity versus objectivity and we can have a discussion on it Because this is an object of contention for a lot of people You know, I'm just gonna talk down snarky to my audience I wonder if perhaps there's a reason why people are having this conversation joseph I wonder if it's maybe because you're wrong about it No, he actually does end this video saying maybe I'm wrong and I was just like, oh It's like that guy who like replied to you on twitter And he was like, did you think that shinobi might be right and you and wolf are just terrible people So I go man, I didn't consider that they said if you consider you're full of hate I was like, um, what do you want us to say to that?  All right.   This is a real thing in the chat The season of autumn does not exist Depending on how good it is. We'll throw that on eFap, baby Also, one of the commenters says rice is not a thing. It's also a conspiracy rice. Does it really exist?  There were all these like Conspiracy theory videos one of them The first one I saw was a guy who like looked at this ancient Like settlements and like the Mayan or Aztec region. I don't know which of the two or maybe it was a third I don't remember but basically he looked at this wall Right and you know how brick walls are made.  Well, he found like these these little Divots where there were these circular rocks in between them and he was like Look at how complicated this is.   It doesn't make sense 500 years. It's like 2,000 years older whenever but point still stands. Anyway That's what everyone with a brain thought He came to the to the conclusion Sorry that the reason why the walls were built in the most retarded possible fashion is because humans were actually Super advanced back in the day and then something happened And then we went back. Yeah, look at the walls.  It's like people will believe a lot of stuff Well, the point of all this is that autumn is just your opinion Yeah, well if I'll check that video out if it's like goody fat material, we'll totally throw it on Oh, there's some great ones that you should see the the conspiracy theory videos about how giants created the world and mountains We're just like they're maybe yeah, I've been talking about that before Like they sat on melons and just talked to each other So anyway um Yeah, there's the video we were talking about I think For example says there are over a hundred comments on it that address Objectivity versus subjectivity instead of discussing anything brought up in the video But then there were lots of comments that discussed what was brought up in the video Well, what we're gonna do, right? We're gonna run through about Until he's we're gonna we're gonna play this until he stops showing comments And then we're gonna go all the way back to to this because the we got a new set of comments to read from his audience after this section This is we want to do a his audience's response to this video as well So we'll just let this run until he stops showing comments on screen These are comments that are using a perceived error in presentation as a way to entirely I'm sorry, but that's the shittiest sensor attempt I have ever fucking seen He just took like a white Thingy on paint and just put a white spot on the icons after he took out their names Like look at his little white spots on the icons I don't know why why wouldn't he just do the whole icon?  Why would you want them to be anonymous?  Just scribble a little bit over each one. Like I always thought it was pronounced wake him Wacom I don't Wacom is what I say, but I don't know Wacom I thought it was wake. I don't I don't know Oh, so yeah, autumn isn't real Wait, someone said more of those are generic circles with the letters of the yeah We're saying the the the white blobs Clearly his attempt to cover them And it's weird. It's like, why wouldn't you just cover the whole thing? Yeah, no because you might find out that j Right, that could be j j made a comment on a joseph anderson video and I will hunt down every purple j You could you would faster find him by just control f thing these words like it doesn't it doesn't do shit Let him know that j made this Purple google j was He was clearly using his his wacom tablet and it just that's what it went with okay It makes total sense. But yeah, let's try and get through this bit because like I said, we got some comments Could just imagine like liam neeson showing up at j's doorstep and he's like I saw your comment I don't know if your name is jason or john or jeremiah. I don't know but i'm here for you I don't know who you are.  These are comments dude. Look at that one Is that commander shepard's face I think so Why did he color in the note? He started out so good with that first one.   It's gonna be all right.  Oh no. Oh wait j man.  It's like This if anyone is going to go in search of someone who commented on a video to harass them There are weird people out there.  He's like your top comment is Oh, wow. Yeah, I didn't know he commented on it and Reykjavik Wait, wasn't this the example of comments that didn't get the point Did he's saying he didn't get the point? Well, these are these are totally different comments though because I guess but So I could find out where they live. Look at that one at the bottom. Okay, joseph. Are you with me here? This is easily the worst video you have ever made All right, let's do it. What's no no pausing or comments until he gets to the end of showing the comments We can do this Comments on it that address objectivity versus subjectivity instead of discussing anything brought up in the video These are comments that are using a perceived error in presentation as a way to entirely dismiss any points There's no need to argue anything when you can just say sometimes self-righteously Stop presenting your opinions as objective facts. Oh, he's gonna look at us. I'm thinking self-righteous everyone Stop mixing facts and opinions together. This has been a problem since the first okay So that he said it now and there's so many ways to break this section down But the first one we're gonna run with is uh people actually responding to this so Rags if you go to duttle is the first one Okay Duttle chat if someone in the chat said troll or not a troll You can see that about every video we've covered Okay Well, duttle says This video feels somewhat mean spirited considering many of the comments you're defending against were earnest and made a fair argument That at points you did seem to project your opinion on objective statements And that the general underlying statements in your horror video are less sophisticated than your usual style Admitting some degree of error isn't bad and the overall tone here is really patronizing Not to mention the broad sweeps here border on strawmanning some of the original commenters on the horror video Interesting let's pop to the next one Domanthus said Great, some people took the easy way out with the mopinion argument I can respect calling them out on it Now go and make a video addressing the top five comments that actually point out why you were wrong And don't pretend that any of them were that subjective because they aren't And finally Matthew Matthew says Me and many other commenters were trying to give you criticism on the last video But I see you have just brushed it all aside I think that says a lot about how you handle criticism These past couple of videos have been sloppy and rushed You make good videos when you take your time and do adequate research on the topic You do try to pass off your opinions as facts with manipulative language It's on you to write a good script and tell the audience when you're being objective and when you're being subjective You can't expect your audience to not have a problem with you expressing your feelings as facts You state both in the exact same way This is a very common tactic people use to persuade people Subjectivity is not always implied relative isn't is actually what's harming debate You also come across as very condescending in this video and I would recommend knocking that off And so that's it for them uh the The general consensus is people are not happy with how he's just summed up the response from his audience, which Doesn't fucking surprise me considering he did just brush them all away like Don't you just don't fucking understand language or writing This is why we're gonna have to go through this bit a couple of times because there's so many different Just you're such an asshole is the response to a lot of this But the fucking accent he puts on to portray his audience where he's like you don't understand what It's like Joe you sound like a five-year-old doing an evil bad voice This is all a wonderfully bad argument for what inspires fear in people in general of Jesus I also love that people are Distinctively understanding this based on the comments Although if this is your source of why you feel scared or even horrified by a game all power to you man Wonderfully bad argument for what inspires fear and people well This is the thing a lot of people felt that he just did not understand what makes people scared in games Like he he just it just showed no empathy and it was just like he didn't really try he didn't explore anything So that's one of the bigger problems. Yeah, I think the third comment there is pretty interesting Chaos blade says so many people saying he's not stating a fact He's stating his opinion. Look the title of the video is why horror games don't scare me So it's all just his opinion But in the video you say quote this is where I conclude that most horror games aren't truly scary But are instead horror themed. Yeah, that sure sounds like an opinion He probably would say that's his opinion honestly He'd be like well, it's just my opinion Yeah, whatever he even says this is where I conclude x So this next run through right We'll listen to what he says And then the final run through we'll see what the actual comments say in relation to what he says But just listen to what he says this time anything brought up in the video These are comments that are using a perceived error in presentation as a way to entirely dismiss any points There's no need to argue anything when you can just say sometimes self-righteously Stop presenting your opinions as objective fact Stop thinking Jesus christ, man, you know what I mean? You know what I mean? That's so bitter No self-awareness None You speak for everyone stop that voice that voice Oh Who are you? Who are you trying to sound like? What is that voice? Where where is this question from? We haven't gotten to it yet, but uh He's not showing the comments that he's speaking. Do you know what I mean? He's like We're trying to figure out where we're in the comment. He's at but if we tackle it without comments So if we tackle his argument here, which is let me just listen to it again to make sure I got it And as a way to entirely dismiss any points There's no need to argue anything when you can just say sometimes self-righteously Stop presenting your opinions as objective fact Stop you don't have to argue anything if you just say it's my opinion stop mixing facts Um, also, that's another one. He's just called as fucking people in his audience self-righteous, which is like great Yeah, you're one to talk Uh, and yeah, I'm just trying to catch they're using a perceived error as a way to entirely dismiss his argument, I think would entirely dismiss The basically he's accusing his his commenters now Of choosing the whole subject of his objectives to ignore everything he's saying which As you've already seen in the comments if that's all they were saying the comments wouldn't even be that long would they Like there's a lot more to it than that Facts and opinions together This has been a problem since the first video that I'm all right.  Spooky ghost is my favorite My favorite too spooky ghost shepherd is Oh, I want that to be a shirt My name is commander shepherd and this is my favorite ghost on youtube This video is honestly pretty bad So while you start off on the route of subjectivity you quickly detour into objective statements And you'll notice that that's cut off Um because the rest of his argument doesn't continue that way and I Fucking for some I I got the snap of it and I was talking to I think it might have been rags about this Because obviously I had to do some prep here in case I got some things wrong It's the last thing I need to do and talk about fucking semantics But I have not I can't find where I had that snapshot up from now, but the Basically if you go and find this comment that starts with this video is honestly pretty bad Um The rest of the argument moves on to specifics in the video I believe the comment even ends with him making a direct comment about the video and what joseph's talking about right now is um The idea that people were basically just saying you're presenting objective statements as with subjective Argumentation bad and it's like this. They're doing more than that joseph Even in the ones you've cherry-picked they're doing more than that Can't ghost milk wet steel people? People are saying that ghost milk is better than rhino milk, but I don't know I love how the chat is all just ghosts and rhinos Rhinos and milk Ghost milk is better than rhino milk Have you ever tried to milk a ghost Ghost of a rhino, how about that does joseph is quintin I'm sorry joseph your videos are so terrible that we're more interested in what the chat's doing than you We're amused by ghosts and rhinos Rhinos and milk And you know if someone just jumps into this stream and like sees this right now They're gonna see us laughing and they're not gonna understand any of They don't get this 15 15 episodes of lore for them to absorb first Yeah, 15 episodes in like 31 hours worth of lore to figure out Dude dude if we and we've got 15 episodes That's I mean like four hours an episode that's like 60 hours You'll get to a point where there's a new one There'll be a more content than a general game There'll be a point where there's a newborn baby who can't actually absorb all of e-fap because it's just too long Before they're dead Did you know if someone was a baby was born today and listened to all the e-faps They would have to listen for 98 years before Anyway, so so yeah So he's saying that the main main thing people were missing here was they were like Oh, it's just presenting your opinions as a personal experiences objective And it's like some of these comments go further than that So he's got the first one which cuts off a large portion of the bonus part of the argument The second one which says he acts like the purpose of scary media Is to literally put you in a fear for your life Which you know, there's there's so many elements to horror as a genre. They're not all about making you fear for your life. For example Uh, Lovecraftian is is more so about making you fear for your position in the universe as opposed to Your life being in danger. Um Yeah, and then there's the existential ones from horror as well from soma. That's not specifically about making you fear for your life It's more like what is life and how feeding everything is life. What am I what makes me what I am? Are you in my my body and my my memories? What am I? Are more of me it's yeah, so yeah, so there's more there than simply saying But he does say it in the second sentence, but it's like seems like you ignored the first one there Joseph Um, and then you got you're so determined to state your personal experiences fact for everyone You can use the same logic to argue that games will always be more scary than movies and again So it's the first part sure. That's what you said it was Joseph But what about the second sentence? What do you have to say to that in response? You can use the same logic to argue that games will always be more scary than movies It's easy How do you reconcile that in your head when you're saying that movies scare you more than games? Like um, have you guys heard the argument of like, you know No horror movie could ever be scary more than once because you know how everything turns out Yeah, it's like if someone told me that I'd be like, well, yeah You know, I I tend to get invested again when I watch horror movies that really do scare me Um, maybe less scary. Yeah. Yeah, I would imagine that's probably gonna happen for a lot of people Yeah, I like they're really big jump scare and hail house. You know the one I'm talking about more I mean, I probably next time I watch through the series I'll be like expecting it but I mean that doesn't take away from the tension and anxiety that the show makes you feel the whole time Yeah, that's just the three so let's see what what's next they're using a perceived error in present He only really pays lip service to the idea that it's just his opinion He repeatedly insinuates that everyone else has just misinterpreted their own feelings Now that one isn't even what he was saying the whole it's just objective presented a subject if this guy's actually accusing him of Saying that other people have misunderstood the experience and the example of that would be when he's uh talking about how Like like people could be more scared than they realize and I think it's more because of when he said Most horror games aren't really horror games. They're just basically pretending Yeah, and how people have to give more to horror to get immersed in other stuff He's like he's just declared that that's the case Yeah, I feel like when joseph said that when people are afraid of something and they say this scared me and that That's a horror game. It scared me. He's like no No, you you just yeah, you might think that you were scared, but really it was just you know Presentation as a way to oh and uh Then you got except a lot of the points He makes the statements are not prefaced with I believe or in my experience or something along those lines He does sometimes but they're so few and far between this is more of a general review than a personal one Just from the way he worded it which Is that not a fake comment? Well, he's gonna address that one uh later in this video. So in But again, um It's just that it just comes down to semantics at this point Which is as we've said if everybody's having this much of a problem with it Then maybe you need to do something about it instead of telling them. They're listening wrong Um just because it's his opinion doesn't mean he can't make terrible arguments Which he most likely did in this entire video besides the the opinion piece narrative is just a facade Once you actually read between the lines of what he's actually saying throughout the video I have to agree with that comment But yeah, he's selected a couple here that do represent the whole um They didn't have to address his arguments in the video instead. They just addressed the presentation But the problem is He said that that was a way for them to uh entirely dismiss his argument When in reality that they're making an argument against his argument in the what he's arguing objectively cannot be Considered valid evidence because it's subjective he hasn't He doesn't care about that because of his den definition definition of um Well subjectivity and opinions and all that So he's not taking it well If you use phrase like I think and I believe more often or stating his opinion as fact then I bet people would be less harsh that's Possible may you lose the opinion title once you start making definitive statements in a manner to pass your subjective opinion as objective fact Like so must not a horror game Um, and then you go I'm insulting him because he's going the downward thrust direction of stating opinions as facts and trying to use Objectivity to justify his claims. It's all vapid and nonsensical But he tries to pass it off as an opinion as opinion while using fake facts fake facts Like fake news. I'm confused. Why are the lower two comments like indented? Because they're replying to somebody else and he whited the name out Oh, okay Uh to try and bolster his argument that if you can respawn. It's not horror This is the same guy who said mario odyssey is a boring and is boring in three hours or so And now spends 13 minutes trashing an entire genre of gaming Do you not see the point or do I have to spell it out for you? Not only was he wrong about mario odyssey He's a moron for trying to use subjectivity as the crutch of his argument with false objectivity I've always found that interesting that he spent three hours on a game Then he spent 13 hours on a genre a 30 sorry three hours on a game 13 minutes on a genre And now he spent 14 minutes on the fundamentals of discussion Yes, it's a little bit interesting, isn't it so like you might want to reconsider how you sort of Maybe maybe put a bit more research and effort into this particular topic because man This is like a huge one that a lot of people are very concerned with I don't know Most youtubers probably wouldn't feel the need to make a video addressing just this It's really complicated and you know How long has it taken us to get this far to make sure that everyone's following along with More essentially the rules or the rules we follow anyway for language Takes a while to be sure if you throw in a few spooky ghosts and rhinos though it does sort of delay it up a bit Yeah Wait, there's no need to argue anything when you can just say It's just you know, we'll we'll let these three go.  Yes. You look like that's the that's the did you see the the profile picture that was like all white except for the outline Oh, yeah, yeah That's did he color that all in I don't know Why'd you put so much effort into that one? Man listen, not every not every censor mark can be a ghost man As objective fact Also, look at look at these comments. They're huge. There's no way. They're just saying that Stop thinking you speak for everyone I'll never get to that People were talking that comment Stop speak a ghost if you're talking to everyone Justly stop presenting your opinions as objective fact Stop thinking you speak for everyone. Stop mixing facts and opinions together This has been a problem. Like if this was always a problem, then why wasn't it um as why is it more significant now than ever? and um How is it that you would assume that it would be just from YouTube or just from you making game analysis? Like wouldn't this be a fundamental of communication anyway? If all if people all of a sudden start bringing up a certain issue with my content, then i'll be like, oh, what happened? What did I do jennison? How long do the geetuck to individually colorate all of those? What's the point?  It's like She's like two different spots on it.  Look at it And whatever he's holding too Oh, is that the person holding something?   He's a good man Weird Um since the first video that I made on dark souls It is a problem for other content creators and for people who don't make videos But simply want to discuss things online. It's also an issue that is getting weirder as time passes He missed it's an issue that's getting weirder as time passes I wonder I kind of remember that when I first watched this. How does he qualify that getting weirder as time passes for some Subjectivity is the problem. What are the chats actual name is jay? Oh wait, yeah, yeah, since it's name is actually jay, so No, it's not him. It's someone was saying that his name is jay as well though Dark souls isn't a game. I didn't play it So it works, but it's an issue that is getting weirder as time passes for some subjectivity is the problem not objectivity These comments do the exact same thing except this time the fact that I'm presenting Opinions is what's being used to sweep away any needs to argue points being made. Is that a fact that you're presenting opinions? He needs to prove this so it grabbed me for wrong But he's just said that some people are saying that The fact that he's Saying feelings means that there's that they don't they can't argue like working about it that it's invalid or something But it The thing is It could be depending on what you say So if I made a video called why horror doesn't scare me and then I just go Outlast doesn't scare me soma doesn't scare me amnesia doesn't scare me There's no horror movie that scares me. Anyway, thanks guys.  Those are my but those are my opinions Those are my feelings. Exactly. So it depends on what he presented and there's a lot of crazy shit in his horror video Same thing except this time the fact that I'm presenting opinions is what's being used to sweep away any Needs to argue points being made in the video or the article. This is also So you got much like a subnautica review this is too flavored in personal preference to be useful This tells us more about you than being any help with a good idea I think that's fair the idea being that if you're an analysis channel, you'll I don't know about you guys, but like people will be like, oh, thanks. I've actually learned something Yeah, a review when you when you make a review.  What a deluded lunatic That is a a bit of a reaction sure, but the the fact is that he does He does imply that the the problems in the genre and it's like Joseph You don't like it doesn't mean it's a problem. It's more complicated than that Also, you're gonna have to censor better because I know that's clearly satan who made that made that comment You're just gonna have to work better.  You can see where he went to paint and just a little squiggle Subjective so why discuss it? This is just your subjective opinion. So that middle one. What the fuck's going on with that one? Uh It must we even try to figure out what it's like a butterfly A butterfly ghost I expect to see butterfly ghost milk emojis in the Chat Discuss it. This is just your subjective opinion. So who cares god Who said that? What is this? What is this voice that is doing?  Stop it I just I want to know who out there thinks that the subjective opinions aren't worth discussing people are actually putting I didn't know there was a butterfly emoji. I didn't know they could do it Oh, there's a milk emoji That's it. This is just your subjective opinion. So who cares Personal subjective views aren't worth discussing. Who said that? Let's see if it's on screen. Let's see if it's on screen. Maybe um Uh Well, somebody says I don't feel I feel this doesn't need to be analyzed, especially since it's such a Objective thing that belongs to you. You can't be immersed Yeah, yeah, that's I think that's fair. It contextually it's Based on the video. Yes, uh Well, they said it doesn't need an analysis because it's such a it's a thing that specifically happens to him So why even bother trying to like explain it on an any objective level when you could just sum it up as I don't get immersed because you die in horror games and come back You could have just said that and this has the same value because the rest of it's fucking nonsense Yeah, man, that's not the same thing as personal opinions aren't worth discussing Yeah, that's not what that guy said Despite using reasons that are literally the opposite of each other these comments. It's just it's a bad faith translation of it Also, did you catch that? Listen to the the next bit of a little condescension there by using reasons that are literally the opposite of each other These comments are identical get out of jail free cards for people who disagree with something being presented to So he said that is that's funny That's really funny. These comments directly contradict themselves. Are they being used as a get out of jail free card?  Jesus Christ. I would never talk to my audience like that um And this is the thing if you responded to specific comments and these things were true You could at least have that but he's painting such a broad brush with these guys Also, I kind of I don't even know I was gonna write this in my the list of mf, but I don't even know how to sum it up it's like these comments on Dicts themselves and What does he say function out of get out of jail free card for what exactly? Comments are identical get out of jail free cards for people who disagree with something being presented to them Or get out of discussion free cards Get out of discussion free cards Because that's what everybody wants, right Yeah, the people who come to your comment section and write out these paragraphs About how they feel they want discussion get out of jail free cards That's what they want Why waste time thinking of counterarguments when you can just do this instead? It's easy Wow Joseph what are you doing man agree with something being presented to them or get out of discussion free cards Why waste time thinking of counterarguments when you can just do this instead? It's easy It just works Most of you are probably thinking this is a bizarre reaction Unfortunately, it's becoming more and more common and I feel like no, that's a that's a funny thing He thinks that we would think is the audience that he's highlighting bizarre reactions from the audience while we're like Yes, you are having a bizarre reaction, joseph. Yeah, that's a thing. You're the one who's having the bizarre reaction But no no self-awareness like but Someone said that attitude got trump elected lol Our reaction unfortunately, it's becoming more and more common and I feel like I have to address it If anything just so I don't have to keep saying the same things time and time again when I speak to people about my videos if anything joseph you've made it even more complicated and Confusing for your audience in future now people will be even more confused about what you they'll go forward Be like so with subjectivity implied at this point in your new review and you'll have to be like Yes It's not implied if they have to ask It would have been better if he just redid his horror video With all of this in mind, then it would be for him to try and Keep digging that hole.  Wow. So our channels don't exist mauler. Well, we're not real I'm pretty sure he has made an objective opinion. Maybe not an objective opinion piece Because does that imply the entire video would be objective? So None of us are real. This video isn't real. This stream isn't real We aren't real. What what is the world are we is the simulation theory? Correct Well, this come I mean, I was just gonna say this comes down to the beginning of our video We were talking about definitions. He thinks yeah, if you're objective are you real Mr. Buller, I don't feel is a ghost milk real objective just doesn't mean The objective just essentially means that it isn't hinged on it on on opinions. That doesn't mean it can't be part of one Mr. Wolf, I don't feel so good We were oxymoronic at this point that objective opinion pieces do not exist This is an oxymoronic demand.  That's the explanation. You can deep fry ice cream. That's true Would that be hot cold ice cream? I don't know. I've never had deep fried ice cream If your desire is a video of only objective facts Then you are asking for a dry list of mechanics and low level terminology that has Oh You are asking for low level, what did you say low level? terminology Terminology, Jesus Christ. So that what so when I listen to a video about science and it's presented in an in a fun and entertaining way Oh, because it's no longer objective. Yeah. Oh my god, Jesus The lindy beige video that tells me about why this is this and why that is that Oh, it can't be entertaining. It's all dry by the way Um, there's there's youtubers. What would be ahoy?  I can I present objective facts and I think I do it in an entertaining and interesting way Well, I think I think I think all four of us can do that. I think joseph Well, no, he couldn't he can't even make subjective arguments without sounding completely dull remember all the times he tried to make jokes Oh, that's the thing his voice is kind of like oh, I don't want to listen to you very long Well, I mean this is definitely a subjective complaint from me But uh, I tried to watch his game game of thrones god of war video And uh, I got so bored just because of his delivery and it's not even that it's got bad content I was just like come on come on sound like I can listen to matthew matosis for hours And I have I gotta do a lot of people for hours. I can listen to you guys for probably hours I just I need some hours and hours.  Why did he say low level? What planet do you live on where objective facts are only given in dry low level terminology? Oh School You are asking for a dry list of mechanics and low level terminology that has been carefully vetted for any hints of opinion or subjective leanings Wrong talk about how a game Wrong Jesus, I think it should be self evident How it's ridiculous to say that I mean, how many youtubers have you guys watched that have a mix of objective facts and opinions in them? That's what we do Like exactly my videos aren't 100% I'd say that's what most youtubers do That's how it works We we go with we present information as research and then we often will offer conclusion That's based on how we felt about it or or natural conclusion I show you a bunch of hitboxes that are broken at ds2.  Someone says matt's irish accent makes listening to him a spiritual and sexual experience I mean, I'm not Oh, unfortunately, I don't think you would but I mean, that would be awesome He has actually got a slightly different take to objective on on even to us He said in a q&a It does exist But you can only go as far as very very tertiary elements like you can't even describe environments You can only describe like Straight-up clinical facts about a thing like character names and stuff And the thing is I just like let me talk to you about it because I want to see how you react when I say something like A character is inconsistent because they chose to do x or they value x and then they do y and it's like Is that objective or is that based on how I feel? And I just want to see how he reacts because a lot of people and this is absolutely no criticism of methamatosis But a lot of people would be like I haven't really thought about it that way You know and that's fine because again the words we're using not everybody uses For some reason some people have different fucking definitions that they make 14 minute videos ranting against their audience about so It would be interesting, but I don't think matt does that. I don't think he sort of Comes on to conversations and stuff, but again, it would be cool Um, this is interesting. Iggy the koopa says joseph is a robot That's why he actually hates soma because it hits him on a personal level He marginalized his people um Yeah, I guess we'll push on We'll go back a little bit There is a video of only objective facts And you are asking for a dry list of mechanics and low-level terminology that has been carefully vetted for any Failure in your part or subjective leanings We can talk about how a game may have a sprint function a jump button and a death system But we can't make any statements about how well they work and only the bear Yes, you can Of course we can so if the game is broken How can we I just came it's bizarre. It really is The game has a jump spot, but it doesn't work 50 percent of the time. That's bad. Oh, wait. No, that's No, you can't you can't talk about that fringy. Remember he's it's all subjective Even though we could sit him down and say here's the here's the definition of good Right and here is the definition. Here's a video game and what it does This is why when you press a jump button and it only works 50 percent of the time That is not good Here read this. Yes. This is objective.  My example was Hitbox, what is a hitbox designed to do? It's like it's designed to match the model and create damage or whatever to the player if they were to strike the The model on the thing so the the closer you are to the model Uh, the the better the hitbox is more accurate. So if your hitbox is lazily done It there this is contextual as well It depends on say for example, if you have like um a trail behind the sword or something And if you hit the trail you get damaged too, then the hitbox would have to change But let's assume We're dealing with a straight up sword and it swings and it's got a big rectangle as the box But the the developers were lazy and they just didn't shave it down and they kept it to Two two times the size of the sword because it was like a fuck it whatever And so you have several examples of you being hit when the sword isn't even near you and you're just like this is great Because now my perception of what counts as dodged versus not I can't even rely on the fact that it's a model I have to now uh compensate For the badly leveled hitbox And then you get to Dark Souls two levels where you can get hit from behind somebody when they attack in front of them Because the hitboxes are so fucked in that game and You know bad what I mean by bad is inconsistent or bad to a standard the standard of making hitboxes Which is to match the models the whole fucking point people use them So When you have hitboxes, they're outside of the models and they're creating gameplay in which the player is punished for no reason of their own That is bad And that is bad functionality Or should I just say inconsistent functionality if people would prefer that and you should be like you can't talk about How well these things work it's like I just did And what part of that had my emotions in it if you want to highlight it's like Another part where you said you didn't like it or something No This is like a you can get really clinical with uh with games or filmmaking development and uh even with books Even with writing You can do it to joseph's video or my videos or rags. It's the wolf's or friends No guys, we we got to just give it all up the phantom menace is just as good as the Shawshank redemption joseph's right We've been wrong this whole time Subjectivity is the way the truth and the light god Something I don't know.  I genuinely It breaks my brain Have a sprint function a jump button and a death system But we can't make any statements about how well they work And only the barest of comparisons to other games that have similar things without flirting with the dreaded o word opinion Um, my my ask my question would be why why do you think that? Yeah Like why is it that that's how it works You have one game that when you die it sends you back to a checkpoint and the checkpoints are every half an hour And other game does it every 20 minutes You can talk about the effects of those you lose less progress But what's happening in each game that would change how important those last pieces of time are These are all things I haven't used an emotion yet. Are you following joseph? You could do this is this is the thing if you follow this to its natural conclusion All games could be equally as good or bad as each other That's absurd And then you come to acts like that. What is the point of teaching these things?  It's like a wibbly wobbly Like you know that woman who tried to restore that jesus picture and she fucked it up She she didn't make it worse It's all the same Step aside Da Vinci deviant arts in town Act even those words I just used sprint jump and death could be called into question if true objectivity is the goal Okay, all right So now he's saying because words could have a different definition I assume that it's no longer technically objective Because you could be referring to two things at once is that the argument there or is he talking about something else? I think he's trying to say that If just the idea of a sprint function in a game is subjective And death in a video game isn't literal death. So it's subjective. It doesn't actually refer to a mechanic That's inside of the game that can be measured repeated If you want to get to that point then just have to let your audience know that by death I mean the point in which your character is sent back to a checkpoint Yeah, but but that's like you have that's like going back to brain in a vat levels. Well, yeah Improve it.  Like do you have no what exactly are you expecting your audience to interpret death in a video game as Like do you think people in the comments section are actually going to go you don't actually die in a video game Joseph that's a bit of an extreme example It's like nobody's gonna do that Well, you can never say that there's always somebody Maybe somebody in the chat now is that the other you go death is subjective Used sprint jump and death could be called into question if true objectivity is the goal These videos and articles would be like extensions of video game manuals except even those can have more character Conversely, if your desire is a video of subjective opinions that speak for an acceptable minimum amount of people that Already hold that opinion, then you don't know how discussions are meant to function We've been talking to each other wrong guys. We can't possibly be friends of the state We don't know how discussion works What world does joseph live in It's like it's like somebody built a A disfunctioning automaton robot synth and it's trying to lecture us on what it is to be human You guys don't get it The robots in near autotoma have more personality than joseph does Joseph why?  What are you? Oh, what is it? What is this weird salad joseph? No opinion is truly worthless Well, it's my opinion that oxygen is an animal.  What what is so yeah? What does that mean? That's one of those things where if he was here I'd be like, what do you mean by that? Is like what someone just said is isn't the worth of an opinion subjective? I I suppose it's like it's like it's like this thing is true by its own definition.  What's the point of even saying that function? No opinion is truly worthless videos like mine are not meant to be a source of confirmation bias Most content creator, but they certainly operate that way depending on what you're doing My people finding out that I had done This channel called more that did a video ripping into the last Jedi and an angry British man voice If they hate the film, they will like shit, man. I'll watch that It's like why because they hated the film the confirmation bias. It's like they're not supposed to act that way What does it doesn't change the fact that they'll absolutely be used that way? I don't know But why are we talking about this now?  Oh golly. Gee. I can't wait to see how many people agree with me While that it's kind of funny to hear.  It's like it'll cost a thousand for your sister and he's like How much is that in american?  He's like, yeah, it's just your opinion What is it to capture family? What is it to have? how bio To hold to have to secure contain first we need to define We need to define what capture means Sleep loop Be thinking. Oh golly. Gee. I can't wait to see how many people agree with me While that can be a good thing depending on the topic there. Why is he talking about this like? Yeah, people don't use my video off on its own. This is kind of going off on its own little thing So he said my video isn't meant to be used as confirmation bias, but it can The video is not released like many in a way that's like I can't wait for people to agree. It's like Yeah, I agree with both of these statements Technically speaking. Where are we going with this? Primary purpose is to encourage discussion whether you agree or disagree It should give you something to think about. I agree with that statement I do not agree with the idea that that's what your fucking horror video was doing Because if it was you wouldn't have made this one This is exact The discussion was born from that video because it sucked. Yeah, you've got a discussion from it, mate It's just not the one you wanted And now you've had to tell people how to have the discussion properly Yeah, it's so fucking. Oh, it's Oh, it's like a skit. I can't believe it. We're five minutes out of 14 Right five minutes out of 14 and we've got one two three four five six seven eight nine elements of condescension That's bad. See how many more we can fit in The most troubling implication of statements like personal subjective views aren't worth discussing is the idea that if opinions aren't Who said that? No one said that Nobody said that and even if they did why are you acknowledging them because they would have been somebody with like one upvote Yeah, like that's a retarded thing to say.  Do you need our approval? Like we'll give it to you. You can talk about subjective Opinions. That's fine. If this was my video and I found a comment that said that or if that occurred in my head That somebody would say that and like no people don't actually think that that's not gonna waste my time talking about that That's not something people think Objective views aren't worth discussing is the idea that opinions aren't meant to change This is also seen when opinions are used as a shield or presumed to be used as one People have also That's you That's what you sound like not you, but it is you to change This is also seen when the chat says we found it the one straw man to rule them all I mean this this video is just it comes across metaphorically as a giant shield to me It's just like you'll put this one this video up whenever anybody says anything critical of him anymore This is a shield or presumed to be used as one people have also accused me of doing this You keep saying this is all your opinion as if that makes you immune to criticism This could not be further from the truth People change their opinions all the time. That's what discussion is one person thinks the movie is good Another person around the screen. Yeah, I think he just he sensed something from the game. I guess Oh, okay. Oh Have you guys seen the the video someone sent it to me? I think it's this game that he's um Is some kind of plot plot hole expected plot hole in in the narrative again I I don't have enough context to be able to give this definitive, but this is a funny quote So he said he's he's gonna stop playing the game If some mooder turns out to be at 10 p.m. Or something like that. I'm again very vague someone in chats we're gonna know this better than me and The game turns out it's it's 10 and so he gets pissed and the altar falls the game And his chat don't respond well because they're like it does make sense if you think blah blah blah blah blah It's back and forth for a while And there's this this quote from him where he's like you could tell he's pissed and he says, um, I'm not being stubborn I'm right Oh Joseph Wait, so someone died at a certain time in the game. He rage quit because of that. It's apparently a plot hole I I again, I don't know enough about it Sprinklers at 10 I guess and uh, I'll I'll give him all the benefit of of the doubt Uh On the video I saw there was a comment that said he did retract that statement Like seconds after making it so it was obviously made it in an angry state It's just funny because it makes you think like is is that a brief insight into his head? I'm not being stubborn. I'm right Um Like the art of this game. What is this game? Uh for sona It's It's dry Dang dang dang a romper dang a romper through vision three v3 Dang a romper vision. I don't know But yeah, uh, let's keep it going People change their opinions all the time. That's what discussion is one person thinks the movie is good Another person thinks the movie is bad They argue over the points and hopefully reach some compromise or a better understanding of each other's viewpoints Someone might even be convinced and change their mind as impossible as that may seem I would you use this footage if you have to blur it out Oh, I mean, it's he's been playing it recently. I don't know. There could be any reason. Yeah, but like shit, man Tell the audience he's reusing footage from his old video So like just like really like Is that someone might even change their mind as impossible as that may seem it's like The utter condescension just just dribbling out I changed people's minds. So I Did you know do you guys know that you can change your mind? You know, oh, yeah, I do Interesting, I do it. I don't know. I do it sometimes even Eyes or a better understanding of each other's viewpoints Someone might even be convinced and change their mind as impossible as that may seem when you've been talking on the internet for so long It's debatable if there is such a thing as a bad opinion But there are definitely some that are uninformed or underdeveloped It's debatable whether there's some such a thing as a bad opinion Okay, you want you want to know what an abat what a bad opinion is joseph subjectively implied Yeah, yeah, that's exactly what you mind reader mauler part time God, I wish I I wish I was that smart I mean, I you know, I'm not stubborn. I'm right I mean just like we were talking about the definition of good You know, can it can an opinion be not good? well, if you're at the point of that opinion is to Correlate with reality then yeah You can have a bad opinion if your opinion is something that is not objectively true then that is a bad opinion I'm going to buy this game just to spite joseph.  We're gonna view it badly Talking on the internet for so long It's debatable if there is such a thing as a bad opinion But there are definitely some that are uninformed or underdeveloped an article that you underdeveloped Kind of like the ones from your horror video, which is what everybody kept talking saying to you joseph Yes underdeveloped you can I could probably substitute that with an opinion for unjust If you can't justify your opinions, I'd say it's underdeveloped Yeah, and that might stem from the position that might explain that the position people hold where they like Don't share it at that point Like if if all you're interested is in arguments for why the room is bad and I just tell you I didn't like it over and over again You'd be like, yeah, can you develop that because I can't work with that It's like when people call into the atheist experience show they host asks not what you believe necessarily, but why do you believe it? Yeah, because the opinion that you have or the belief that you have is based on a solid foundation if you can Justify it if you're if you have good reasons to believe the things that you do Which is far more interesting or well That's subjective Agree with doesn't just function as a way for your mind to be changed about a topic It can also act as a spark that strengthens your original opinion by challenging it so strongly That you finally work out why you feel the way you do about something and none of this counters anything Cometers have accused you of this is just Something that we all agree with because you just say it stated obvious shit right now It's like yeah, he's like minds can change opinions can be uninformed. You're like, yep. Yep. Yep. This is all fine now address the points, please I had some comments on the odyssey video that said just that even though that video is fairly negative They went into detail about how me explaining what I didn't like about the game Made them realize why they like it and they got value out of the video and now that can definitely happen I could highlight an inconsistency and then h-bomber guy can say the inconsistency is why it's consistent as he did for dark souls 2 which was utterly insane or the It's uh, it's in it's complete in its incompleteness. That's what he said So yeah, you can highlight an issue that looks better than fallout 76 That's racist But uh, yeah the Yes, this these are things that can happen joe, so this is not addressing the argument though Is this super mario odyssey? No, this is skyrim modded.  That's my opinion. Yeah That way it's about a game. So there's nothing objective to say about it Yeah, no, I was criticizing the game for most of the runtime In my view, that's only half of the issue here, though I think that all right, so that face has an age dwell by the way That hair it looks like his brain Uh prepare so he's setting up here that he's gonna be putting qualifiers on each statement And so and the point will be that if he was to uh sign post every opinion or in this case subjective opinion Uh, then it would be a clunky script because it would ruin it. It would ruin the flow So this is what he's doing right now. So the runtime he's being meta in my view That's only half of the issue here, though I think that most people watching this video will recognize that this is elementary stuff However, in my view discussing this is necessary because I think that there are a growing number of people who in my experience Are demanding that every sentence in every video include a I think that or in my opinion in order to avoid presenting opinions as objective facts And I don't know about you guys, but my response to that is just you need to improve your writing at that point Yeah, you don't have to use those words. There's a lot of ways that you could say it There's a lot of personally If you just put personally and then write what you're gonna say Maybe might I think it's up the debate Whether one could say it could be said that it could be interpreted that one might believe It's not unreasonable to think that's a that's not to measure by the way this does not protect you though So if I said in my personal view every single Well, every single game has no controls you'd be like That's not true. And then I go, but it's my opinion and I did signpost it and you're like, I know Like that doesn't change shit The way I see it it takes me on average about one second to say those opinion tag statements In my opinion, this would lead to unnecessary clutter when writing and recording scripts for videos That's why you read draft and you have this whole section that was condescending this entire section I can't put a quote down because it's all said in a condescending tone He's like he's talking down to the audience.  Do you understand now?   It's like Jesus For something as long as fallout for one year later I think that the extra time onto every paragraph would result in well over 10 minutes of padding in my view This is a worthwhile demonstration of the problem. Just consider continues to explain this when nobody's asking for this anyway You think that it would take 10 minutes of filler to add some qualifiers to your shit.   I found him There he is. I found his poor for something quicker I think that you could look at the time added to just Right, so now if he presented this to me and was like this is the only choice I had to be subjective I'd be like What stops you from putting in my view? In my view that's only half the issue here though. I think the most people watching this video will recognize That most of this is elementary stuff. That's fine. However um Discussing do you need that in my view? However discussing this is necessary because I think There's a growing number of people who are demanding you didn't see put in my experience was unnecessary redundant Yeah, it's redundant take it out who are demanding that every Sentence in every video include you just say a qualifier. You didn't need those examples and it should be and not a um Yeah, that's true in order to avoid presenting opinions as objective facts And it's the issue is more complicated than that, but fine the way I see it It takes me on average about one second to say those opening tag statements And no, so that's objective You wouldn't need to say in my opinion this would lead to a necessary clutter It does because these are repetitive words that are doubling up in some cases So they would be repetitive and unnecessary. So that's an objective statement. Yeah, that follows the definition of unnecessary It's funny that he doesn't understand this shit man, and it's what ruins his scripts It's ruining this script anyway when writing recording scripts for videos for something as long as fallout for one year later I think the extra time onto every paragraph would result in well over 10 minutes of padding. No, that's just a truth Yeah, that's just a truth Uh, that's not a subjective opinion in my view. This is with wild demonstration of the problems that would result in appeasing this demand He should have put a comma there at the end of in my view We don't even need it because again that would be true This would represent a good demonstration a strong demonstration of these problems We've identified the problems are repetition and clutter What would represent those well by putting in my opinion at the beginning of every sentence Which he has done and it's presented the you know, like this isn't your opinion You know, he you know, you could probably take out unnecessary before clutter because unnecessary clutter is unnecessary. Yeah So this is not done a good job in convincing.  We can make this even more brief. It's redundant. You have extra words here Uh improper use of and if we wanted to we could argue that he's actually being a little bit disingenuous here presenting it as much worse than even For the people who are asking for in my opinion at the beginning of every sentence He's just presented it as worse than it actually would be Yeah, I mean if you added one second to every sentence surely that wouldn't add up to 10 minutes If it did that would be 60 times 10 6 So it would be 600 minutes the video in the first place, right? That would be how you do it if it was one If it's 10 minute, he said it was six hours and he would add 10 minutes, right 10. Yeah 10 minutes.  You don't have to say in my opinion Change it up with loads of different ways Make it much more interesting or well Varied would be see see what I mean. Well, I was highlighting those words earlier If I say it's much more interesting that's subjective, but if I say it's much more varied that's objective Language folks. I'm just just how it works But this paragraph I'm speaking right now from all of the I think that statements that I went out of my way to include That's a whopping 10 seconds for it. You didn't need them Yeah, you didn't need a lot of them. No However, in my view, that's also not right Yeah, plus like even the one after fallout one year later I think that wouldn't be needed because it would add time Objectively it would add time Jojo jo 20 paragraphs in this script and this is one of my shortest videos And remember it's not just time. That's the issue It restricts sentence structure creates a ton of monotonous repetition from the same statements again and again Yeah, depending on the writer Yeah, if you're a bad writer, I could see why you think that he's telling his audience now Faith in yourself.  Like you got He's telling us it will result in monotonous.  It's like the premise of humans having to solve problems You have to use creativity. So yeah, just he's not right on this This is this is his subjective opinion and it's bad Okay So why can't a subjective blanket be assumed to rest over everything with some sprinkled in my opinion statements throughout the script as reminders Which most script writers already do including myself to remind us are they not qualifiers? What's about to come afterwards? So I feel like if you do it specifically that's a qualifier for what comes next not a reminder that everything you're saying is your opinion this is a great example of um The difference between what people are seeing and hearing versus what he thinks he's putting forth So everybody hears him present objective arguments and then say in my opinion Blah blah blah subjective subjective as a result of those objective things for example You collect 10 moons in the exact same way in mario and then he says in my opinion.    That's three sentences worth of info But yeah, you really have to do is Like all you have to do is just say in my opinion then give your spiel And you don't have to say it 15 times if you've already said it at the very beginning The following section is my opinion And uh, yeah, so what I'm trying to highlight is that this is the disconnection between him and his fan base apparently Where he thought this whole time That they were just waiting for more qualifiers for the in my opinion thing and uh Yeah, I just he's he's he's fucked it up But I was gonna say the question the the next comment is with uh having to look out rags. So um dusty links You want if you want to read it dusty? links As in the cat the kid So wait Where is the part where people actually tried to discuss your reasoning of what makes the game scary? And then when someone lists their reason why they think outlast or soma is scary you respond with a flat responsive because that's not scary Don't tell me you're trying to make a discussion out of these videos when you yourself don't even discuss it with your viewers You flat out shut down and dismiss the conversation your viewers are trying to have with you You are being dismissive and don't look at things from another's point of view You don't even need to agree just acknowledge how you could see something like that being scary But nope instead. You just shut them down Almost half of this video was consisting of you talking about how it is not practical by starting each opinion with well in my opinion We already know that's not practical Many of your fans were really questioning your reasoning with what makes a game scary and to be honest They had every right to question your reasoning But you had no right to shut them down when they did I don't want you to say that you're critic that can't take a critique, but it might be true Anyways, I really do hope you realize why a lot of fans were questioning your logic about scary games because I would have to agree with him That your logic is severely flawed So there are these things are being listened to and responded to and I just I think he's underestimated his audience's position quite significantly or at least a portion of his audience um And yeah, I think that it's no better highlighted than this moment where he's like Guys, you just want me to say in my opinion more. It's like no, that's not it not even a little bit Script writers already do including myself to avoid this issue Well, there are two sides to this problem the way I see it The first is that some people are being genuine when they react with outrage that someone is trying to pawn off an opinion as an objective fact That there really are people like the one in the opening example get angry when someone says that a movie was really good That's can you put that on the list whether there's actually people in his audience who are ripping off this shit I don't even know how to put that it's just like yeah, there are there are totally implies audience cannot stay dressed Yeah, I'm gonna put that If anyone reads this as is like an actual summary heater real quick Yeah, if anyone reads this like as a summary They'll just be like did he really say his audience can't stay dressed like yes In in a roundabout way Um But yeah, I was gonna say maybe I'm gonna read all the super chats at the end because Void of this video is making All right. Yes. So let's let's kick on matter of quantity and compromise How many reminders of opinion do you need in a script? Is it half of all opinion statements? 75 percent or is it really all of them? Why do you think why do you think that it has to be a flat percentage? It's condescending is really do you need me to say it for every sentence? It's like yes, Joseph. That was the only problem they had with you No, the problem was that he only did it for 15 percent when the optimal number is 56 percent I didn't bring you do a task. It was 56.7. I think so it's technically 57 if you That's objective I look at this as being the same as citations that are used in textbooks Not everything is referenced and backed up with direct evidence even in history books There's a compromise you make with the author. Did you really just say textbooks while showing a book from skyrim on the screen?  He didn't need to show it actual fun puppy Well, yeah, it's just kind of strange the imagery he decided to put on screen that doesn't really Support the thing he's saying. I mean, have you listened to the argument though? This Yeah, ignore the video just take this one this argument here this one's contentious for a lot of people This is being the same as citations that are used in textbooks Not everything is referenced and backed up with direct evidence even in history books There's a compromise you make with the author that some information If it was a history book typically it has evidence What are you talking about?   So the next comment is from Theo the Oat tree, I guess the the Oat tree the Oat tree. I'm not sure what you're supposed to go with that The Oat tree, this is a response to the history book thing history is implied Dude deal that that's great Dude the parallel you're drawing to academic work specifically regarding history is that's my area of expertise It just doesn't exist when using facts as a historian I'm expected to be able to source my information And if I cannot reliably source that information then the fact is unreliable and you and unusable Some facts do not require a specific citation in academic articles because they are so commonly known to be true The battle of hastings was fought in 1066 near Hastings, for example Nothing more than a quick google search is required to find a deluge of cross references that confirm this fact is true And as the intended audience of the essay becomes more specific from historian to medieval historian to a medieval europe historian To medieval france specialist the understanding of what common knowledge is changes Common knowledge to an audience of specialists in medieval france is very different matter to the common knowledge of your average educated reader watcher Hence the need to cite thoroughly is dependent on exactly who your audience is The average reader will trust a professor Of history when they make an unsighted claim because that professor speaks with authority and the work more than likely Has gone through a lengthy process of peer review in order to vet out inaccuracies The historian cites information so their work is reliable And contextually does not need to do so if the information is common enough to their target audience that it needs no verification How is this process in any way similar to signifying that you are giving an opinion not stating a fact It is vitally important that a critic make sure their audience understands when they are describing the mechanics And how they correspond to the developer's intentions versus how they are as a consumer responded to the subject The differences between analysis of art and debate over history is that games Implicitly have intentions behind them But more importantly we have clear understandings of the mechanisms at work and how they could be changed or improved to Further the intentions of the developer When you say death ruins horror games That's a blanket statement about a genre and hence applies to every single horror game ever made Have you played every single horror game ever made? I doubt it And making statements about entire genres is a very difficult endeavor with very low returns Your language indicates that death is an issue that plagues the entire genre But what if a horror game where death isn't even a possibility? We brought this up by the way Or a horror game that can only be attempted once eliminating the possibility of respawns You see what's happening here? You've made a statement and i'm attacking it Because your previous video presents a very strange idea that is argued for in a way that isn't convincing Not to mention the presentation giving the very explicit impression that your criticisms are faults of the games Not a personal reason for not caring for them If your video is intending to share a personal feeling Why were references and mechanics brought in criticisms made in solutions proposed? If there's a solution There's a problem and there's a problem. We're talking in objective terms And you just want to share your sentiments. You can't be caught saying death ruins horror games as that's a straight up objective claim A vulnerable under informed one But an objective one Objective doesn't mean true. It means measurable Your statement has qualifiers these qualifiers can be true or false Your claims validity depends on the validity of his qualifiers So when you make claims that seem from our audience's perspective to talk about an entire genre of medium You fail to make the line between description of reality and a personal assessment clear I really hope you can see why your audience is having trouble here The language you use makes it incredibly unclear whether you're assessing mechanics or giving a personal feeling Horror games fail to scare me is not the same as horror games fail to scare And you use the latter with the unreasonable expectation that your audience will hear the former That's an excellent comment. That's just a mic drop right there. This is like well Such a that's really good. That's a really thorough response I love you Theo Well, that's yeah, that's excellent And yeah, you know We were as much as we could rip apart the history sectionals like I think he's done it in that opening so better than we could Uh, the only contention is that by I guess I would have is that technically history isn't a technically the stuff that we say Hi, it doesn't matter. It's getting too pedantic. Let's just move on. What is it? Is it going to be like there are some things that some agree on it's about history and Facts and what we can show you prove and things like that. Yeah, it's very complicated. I think and that's part of the problem With joseph just being like history books don't always need to cite stuff. It's like what the If they don't cite stuff Then how is that how is the history that we all know the accepted story? Which is essentially what history is what we all accept to be the story of what happened based on the issue is everything in between It doesn't relate because when they don't cite something it's because it's already been cited before That's not the same as you not telling people that something is your opinion when it is Yeah, the history books even in history books There will be sections that say while Many scholars disagree or we don't have conclusive evidence or we just don't know yet Here are the ideas that have been proposed It's just a crap comparison. Yes And if if you were to try and make it more relevant you need way more time than this If you're gonna go over how like 20 how historians cite information and how it's verified like come on Just in textbooks not everything is referenced and backed up with direct evidence even in history books There's a compromise you make with the author that some information is considered commonly understood and agreed upon And that most of the references will be contentious points or newly discovered information that needs to be sourced It is unnecessary for everything to be cited just like most opinions in an article don't need to be labeled as such That's not the same. That's not the same. It's not the same It is an understandable expectation to want to label on all of them, but it simply isn't reasonable The second side of this problem are people who know full well that there can't be a label on every opinion But still point it out to weaken an argument that they disagree with This could be caused by an emotional reaction that makes them grasp at any counter that's within their reach Or it could be a calculated response because they are so invested in arguing against whatever position the article is taken One that they find so abhorrent So he's saying yeah, that's he's arguing that they're doing it in bad faith at this point Like he's saying you possibly know that the disagreeing in bad faith and they're using a grasp at straws to do it like either they have an emotional investment in the opposite uh argument to the article or they're uh Like that was the the malicious intention was to recognize that they're essentially losing the argument So they pick anything to work with which does happen by the way for example, um If if I do an hour analysis and then they go your black panther video makes no fucking sense You said that it begins in 1992 when it begins in 1997. I'd be like that That's like that's not even relevant to any of my arguments. So you know is in the chat Really? Oh, yeah Where yeah, he said thank you everyone in chat who is saying nice things heart I noticed a couple people tag him I mean You know what when we when we get to the end of the video we can have theo jump in if uh if they want to Theo we love you Wolf's definitely in love You are the now the official fifth e-fapper Your now you're part of e-fap lore. You did it. Hooray Um, yeah, that's a crazy coincidence Well, I Yeah Everyone's like hey theo. Wow Hey, everyone's like wow what everyone likes me for some reason. I just Been a discord for two days more to pay attention. Oh Send me a friend request and then I'll be able to get you into this easily Uh once obviously we've got a couple things to get through but then we can definitely have you on I've repositioned the article has taken one that they find so abhorrent For these people the only answer that I can see is for everyone else to remain vigilant and not allow these responses to gain legitimacy It's killing discussion and So like if you were to give him a little less benefit of the doubt you could actually construe that what joe just said is People are picking up on the fact that I am saying subjective arguments and portraying them as objective In order to destroy my my arguments and it's like That doesn't even make sense if they're talking about the framing versus your argument And then just just like everyone you need to ignore or go after these people you have to stop them Civil war in the comment section Oh, yeah, there's definitely a fucking civil war.  There's only one response that matters and it's theo's response That's some that's some truth right there killing discussion and makes things worse for everyone Ironically especially for those who also disagree with the article and want to properly argue against it The reason I know this is happening is because I have received comments that have accused me of adding opinion labels as a Sneaky way of presenting my views as facts like some trojan horse that can force you to change your mind But is also telling you at the same time No, how is that a trojan horse If no one can say that it's forcing you to change your mind and how would it be a trojan horse if it's labeled He's like it's a trojan horse that I I tell you about It's like so it's not that it's not a trojan The whole point of the trojan horses Don't know Like listen to that again. That's such a confusing statement that he makes happening is because I also you can't force anyone to change their mind belief's not a choice Yeah, he's missing. It's just missing the point. Stop missing the point received comments that have accused me of adding Chosen right labels as a sneaky way of presenting my views as facts like some Trojan horse that can force you to change your mind But is also telling you at the same time that it's trying to In these cases, so it's not a trojan horse that that even if I don't even know what point he's really trying to bake with that bit like that's just confusing In these cases directly pointing out that I'm voicing an opinion still isn't enough to stop people from dismissing arguments with this excuse Why is that a bad thing if I said in my opinion soma has no enemies in it They'd be like you're trying to pass your opinion off as if it actually has some validity, but it doesn't you've based it on fucking nothing You'd be like I mean you can't get a mod that removes the enemies, but I'm assuming We're judging the dot mod right now And I mean we one would assume That if it's your opinion it has some validity to it because if it didn't then why would it be your opinion? It's just so much eyebrow-raising stuff in this video Isn't enough to stop people from dismissing arguments with this excuse Does all this mean that there's no place for objectivity in videos like mine? Certainly not and I think it's worth discussing how evidence can strengthen arguments as well as satisfy what I consider to be the Responsibility of a content creator that has attracted an audience big or small The basic structure that almost all arguments in my videos follow is a subjective judgment on how something works Supported by objective evidence from the game sometimes the opinion. Sorry. I want to stop there. Um so I've just I've been thinking about this uh sort of example, I guess of um I an instance where you would say something that kind of doesn't fit into the mod that he's presenting here So imagine if you you said uh that runner has the best time in the world And the reason why he has the best time in the world is because nobody in the world has run faster than this time here Therefore, he has the best time That's an objective statement backed up by facts so If somebody were to say this is the best game ever made and here's these reasons why Is that somebody's opinion because best has a very specific definition? Uh, could you What if what if I argued is best in in that it made the most money? Well, you could if you qualified it that way Yeah, the qualifications important I do yeah That's a fine thing. That's a fine thing to do. There's nothing wrong with that. In fact, I think it's better I just find it interesting that you can take a sentence like this is the best Something and then make it a video game or a movie all of a sudden it no longer means the same thing Kind of ridiculous I think You just need to be Careful with the words that you use. That's that's really all there is to it And comes first and then the examples show up to reinforce it Sometimes it's the opposite and I'll say what I think at the end And that's a process that even I and on wolf and ray whoever will use say for example I just I present all of my arguments to you about the last Jedi and then I say I fucking hate this film By the way, like seriously hate this film And you could be like you didn't even need to have that but it would be my subjective Opinion on the film after I presented all of the reasons for why I felt that And that's fine that doesn't he's implying that that's what he's done this whole time and that People shouldn't be annoyed at him because that's what he's continued to do It's like joseph if that were the case and why has everybody gone nuts on your fucking horror video that was retarded in terms of research Why do you think that is?  That's when everybody got mad at me And then what how do you explain the response to this video too like they Are these not reasonable questions they don't understand they don't they don't get they don't understand how discussions work Yeah, let's let's how about a run through uh It's implied by the basis of communication if you understood what it means you wouldn't want it Uh, they talk about x instead of anything that's in my actual video. They're self-righteous They're using a perceived error as to a way to dismiss his argument These comments contradict themselves and they function as they get a discussion A discussion free card. I think it was oh, yeah get out of a discussion free card Um, and they don't have to waste time of thinking counter arguments when they can just do that They're asking for low level terminology. They don't Can't be settled these things they don't know how discussions are meant to function Someone might even change their mind as impossible as that may seem implies the audience can't stay dressed Do you need to say it for 100% of the opinion statements essentially arguing a bad face like joseph What are you doing mate? I want to be absolutely clear here because I already for He's been so clear man. So clear say what I think at the end I want to be absolutely clear here because I already foresee the comments below saying that i'm a giant hypocrite And do try to pass off my opinions as objective after all objective evidence Does not mean an argument is infallible It only means that the examples are from the game itself and are tangible proof that the things I am talking about Actually happened. We agree with the statement Moving on They could still be bad arguments the examples may not match as well as I think they do or my conclusions May be far from what you think of the game when studying the same examples. I'm using What if it's a conclusive argument though? Yeah, I was gonna say that can happen That scenario where you present a piece of evidence that is objective and you can draw multiple subjective conclusions from it such as tom yuazo is acting in Thi