Shay asks between Dan and Brandon who would win a thumb war proven one wait one two three four What is up Zen dude nation Zen dudes and do that's from all over the world What's up ladies and gentlemen welcome back to episode number 13 lucky 13 I don't believe in that. You make your own luck. So welcome back episode 13. Dude the questions keep getting better and better I've noticed more interesting a lot of fitness questions, but also a lot of questions related to our business and You guys being able to do like start a business making YouTube videos So I think that's super cool too for those of you who want to become content creators. I can tell you It's like the most fun ever So if you're thinking about it ask us questions about it very fun, it's a lot of hard work It's very fun. It's a lot of work like anything you should do something that you want to do anyway If you would do it for free then it's the you probably gonna be successful at it Because you're gonna do it no matter what whether people are watching your videos or not a show. All right Let's get into these ladies and gentlemen Harry Roberts asks have you guys ever tried Brazilian at Jiu Jitsu one time? I want one time. Awesome. Texas. I did. I don't know it. It just wasn't very fun for me. It's like wrestling, right? I mean, no, it's it's not. I know it's different. No, no, no, but like you're rolling like a lot of my wrestler friends are in I think it's an acquired taste. Um, I don't know It's just like it's very technical and slow and I just gravitated more towards boxing So like the punch people in the face shoot. Um, no, I've never tried it. I've never tried it I don't have a huge interest in it, but I think it's cool. Like I know it's like a lot of people are doing it Maybe in the future Shannon asks, what's up? What's up, Shannon? Do you guys have off days? What should we do if we have an off day with no motivation? Huh, man? Well, yeah, I definitely off days.  I didn't work out outside the meet-up But we all jumped rope at the meet-up. So I moved my body and we also walked like five miles Yeah And so I don't really understand what you mean by what should we do if we have an off day with no motivation?  Dude, enjoy it. Yeah And Yeah, I don't it's not that we don't I believe in rest like I believe in rest for the purpose of if you're injured Or you're sick healing yourself to get back to normal But I also don't think that like you need a day because I try used to try to do this Like I would have a rest day where I literally did not move and I sat on my couch and watching movies And I was like no my body needs this and honestly if your body feels good Like moving every day for me is an essential thing for my happiness.  Yeah, if you don't want to you don't need to honestly Dude, the reason why we both take rest days. I think it's sometimes we're so busy.  It's always because I'm like I honestly like Like we might be traveling we do a lot traveling there in Colombia And so like in the car all day and there's just it doesn't make sense because we're with people and we move Our body so much other days that like it equals out. It's true. It's true Matthew What's up coach? Who are your favorite three movie characters dude great question? I've won. Wow You know some of these questions we get asked like on the spot I wish I had like some time to like think this over beforehand. I don't like that. Let's go. Yeah, bro I'll tell you my number one the Joker. He's ledger. He is the most badass interesting peculiar Dangerous I just I love the Joker. I love the dark night. Honestly my second one would be Batman because like I do I'm obsessed with Batman. I love all those movies. I used to watch the cartoon as a kid. So I'd go to the Joker Batman and Johnny Depp playing Hunter S. Thompson and fear and loathing in Las Vegas. I don't really I don't know I don't have neither coming in my head. I'm sure I would my memory is Awful just for all you didn't know like like if you show me a movie or someone else said some character I'm like, oh, yeah me too that one you like Leo like what I love Leo. What Leo do is our particular character that you're down with Maybe actually I Think Will Smith's character and I am legend is pretty good dude. That's a great one. I like that's a great movie I'm trying to think of other people who inspire me like maybe Rocky dude. There's definitely way more I wish I had him off top of my head. There really is way more like I'm thinking of like more now But those are the first three that came to my head. Tell us your guys in comments below Yes, what everyone else's favorites movie characters are yeah, Barry Albert. What's up my man? BC is the building block of amino acids and important amino acids is leucine Well, that's actually not true building BC is amino acids are in BC. They are amino acids are BC is Anyway, can I substitute BC's with L leucine or leucine peptide? What is the recommended use and timing for L leucine or leucine peptide Brandon your thoughts, please? Yeah, man simplify things all right You're going down this path of supplementation where you're trying to like come up with the perfect timing the perfect supplement Listen, we've talked about branching amino acids in the past. They're the building blocks for protein, right? They're amino acids building blocks your protein So if you are fast in the morning take BC a's then I'm not going to comment on leucine Just by itself in general just because I don't know enough about the research behind it artificial complexity Artificial complexity man. Just take BC a's in the morning and take them, you know right for your workout Yeah, I also saw someone comment below your question Barry and say that it's useless to take BC a's and weigh protein together Which is just not a true statement. I think BC a's can be super important and I wouldn't Focus so much on all these other like individual Vitamins and stuff. Just take BC a's man when you're in a fasted state We have found through working with other people and with ourselves that it's very helpful Cory cordless up sup sup Cory pre-workout yay or nay or may Nice Cory. Thanks for sending us the video of you doing the thing put that in our do the thing video Thank you. Awesome. Thank you Pre-workout it depends what you're taking right you can take a lot of things you can drink water pre-workout You can get super hyzer you take BC a's like we just talked about the last question For me, I just drink americano, so I take a little caffeine and that is perfect for me I wouldn't go try to find like a specific pre-workout supplement Because there's just so many different things in that and it's just not necessary against artificial complexity And a lot of it's just for your body It's just like artificial food coloring and etc etc all these like things We don't actually know what they do to our body, so that's my opinion Let me tell you guys a little story now my pre-workout is coffee like brand now drink an americano or cappuccino or something like that I took This pre-workout called no explode for like five years straight and by the end of it I was taking two scoops of it and I couldn't feel anything because My body was so used to it and that was I'm I regret that decision like personally I took so much pre-workout having no idea what was actually in that and it's a lot of supplements are not approved by the FDA and Relying on something like that instead of just a more natural supplement like green tea or coffee and just Getting used to getting your mindset ready to work out as opposed to taking an artificial supplement I think my point is I think you want to like I would recommend coffee I would stay away from pre-workouts because then you're gonna become dependent. Yeah, then you're gonna need your pre-workout to work out Thank you Shay asks between Dan and Brandon who would win a thumb war proven?  We are both about the same height Dan just as much as dude. You should have been an NFL wide receiver except uh Yeah, I was I was decent at catching the ball. You know they say over your hands. I am big feet big gloves big gloves Marcelo asks with the green cocktail from athletic greens break my fasting also. What are your thoughts on creed team? It will not break your fast because it's only 40 calories and we know that for most people 50 to 70 calories is like your your buffer if you do if you eat more than 50 to 70 times You're gonna break your fast But you know the green supplement the athletic greens linked in the description below you is only 40 calories You're not gonna break your fast creed team. Um, we definitely think there's a lot of positive There's a Lot of positive benefits. There's a lot of benefits you can get from taking creed team We don't take it personally. So we're not prioritizing muscle like that I think there's a lot of great resources out there that talk about creed team more and I don't want to like just I know It's good for you and I don't want to come out and just be like yo Take this much or don't take it. So maybe we can find a resource and drop it in the description. Yeah We'll do that for you for a team. I agree with the brand said Daniel asks. Could you one day have a meet-up in st? Louie good. Yeah, man. Of course. Yeah, we're coming to St. Louis We're coming every we're coming to India or come to London We're coming to every place that you guys are Wait on it. We're coming to visit all of you the next five years We've talked about this before or basically We're just trying to meet as many people in person and change as many lives as we can through jump rope So please believe we're gonna be going everywhere. Yeah, we did just have our first meet-up in Mexico. Oh, it was nice So, thank you. Shout out to everyone in Medellin Julian Wines yeah Julian Juan Pablo Anna Jorge Emmanuel Santiago Leah Timoree, thank you guys so much. Seriously. We love you guys. My Ella Sup girl Dan I would like to try taking cold showers today. I ended up my hot shower with cold water Dan It was shocking on my body. Please believe that my question is if there's a risk to catch a cold while taking it I mean catching a back pain ovaries pain for women, etc Brand what are your thoughts on this? Um, I think this is one of those like urban myths like if you're cold Then you get a cold. Yeah, um, you get a cold by having a weak immune system, right?  There's a virus going around that you can contract if you have a weak immune system So you're good on the cold showers girl. Yeah, it's just a good shock to your system I don't think it's terrible for you in any way and personally when I take cold showers I never get out of the shower after a cold shower feeling anything, but amazing like I feel like I've woken up I feel refreshed. I feel clean. I would recommend you keep taking cold showers. I'm also I feel clean when I get out Dude, I did take one hot shower. Where did I do that? I took one hot shower this weekend, but I've been taking cold showers every day for like the past two weeks and Then after that hot shower I started taking cold ones again, so I'm gonna just keep going I mean cold shower thing is I'm totally on board and if you just having a bad day Go get in a cold shower and shock your system. Yep. Ah another cold shower question Alphon, is it true that you have to get a hot shower after a workout?  Um, no Yeah, I've never heard that never heard that before.  Well the fat molecule shrink. That's yes. Yes. Yes. Okay. That's right There's no you don't get any more. That's right.  They just grow or they shrink Correct.  Which shirts? Which shirts, Brandon? We have do the thing shirts, which we'll link in the description below She's a new fitness dot big cartel dot com other shirts I think we got like Zara forever 21 Urban outfitters Topman this shirt is called Topman They have a lot of good street clothing. I like them Sarah asks Dan Can you moonwalk? No, I could not I am that is like the ultimate move the ultimate move in my opinion to learn is the Armwave and the moonwalk. I can kind of arm wave not really great So those are two things that I'm definitely gonna be working on. Riddhvik. Riddhvik dudes, listen up Listen to your full tension bro. Got us. I weigh around 95 kilos So is it safe to say for me to jump is it safe for me to jump rope on concrete? It won't put too much pressure on my knees or end up hurting them. Would it? Yeah, you talked about this in the past. Okay in general It's better to jump rope on something that has more to give whether it's like a hardwood floor or a rubber surface So you can find that it's great. I think we jump rope on concrete a ton so It's not like ideal if you have me or joint issues, but if you do it, you know Not every day like you're gonna be fine and listen man If you're a young person like I wouldn't worry about that much unless you have pain Just jump rope on concrete. Just do the thing do the thing today's episode is ending finish It was brought to you by athletic greens and cross rope to the best products in El Mundo in the world So cross rope this is a jump rope Well, he did was win win win. All right. All right, you guys. This is a jump rope that we use Every day just about every day. Yeah It's a quarter pound agility rope will link it down in the description below for you. It's just the rope It's just the rope it's just the best rope it is and they have heavy ropes now Which there is a lot of emerging research around being able to potentially build muscle and Especially made pain muscle with heavier rope. So cross rope is not only they make the best ropes But also on the cutting edge of research around how jump rope can become this One-size-fits-all tool to become lean and have fun jump rope fitness. Yeah We also have of course athletic greens. You got the pro to me take on the daily We have the BCA's not here in front of you But available via the link below and athletic greens start green juice supplement. It does not break your fast in the morning It's a great Supplement for getting more fruits and veggies and micronutrients in your diet whether you're traveling at home. It's awesome. It's awesome All right back to the the show Gurgi asks what was the idea behind the name Zen dude fitness? Three exclamation points. Yeah, Zen. We are Zen dudes We are Zen like we just want to be like Zen philosophy is really around just being at peace of being the present moment and Being and so jump rope fitness is very much like Zen You just want to get in the zone present-state flow state We're dudes, of course and it's fitness totally man like totally what my dude Brandon said, you know, man Serves up. No, I would say that For me Zen dude fitness is like Brandon said the state of of being and I would add to that for me personally I went through this big transformation mentally. I started meditating a lot more I learned about how positive thoughts affect your reality And I used to be working in a very corporate environment for me. This whole idea of Zendu the Zendu lifestyle Represents the deprogramming of my brain from my old ways and getting more in touch with the present moment getting more in touch with Myself so that I could run a business and hit my career goals But at the same time just be a happy person and you know, I also like to think too Dude in the name a lot of people think that's super bro-ish or whatever But like Brandon and I are bros like we're goofy dudes who like and I like that playfulness I think there's so many people in fitness that are so serious and so Aggressive and we wanted to give people a name that was like no like we're here to have fun We're here to be super healthy. We're here to live a long life and look great doing it But it's all about it's all about having fun. So to us that's Zendu fitness my here asks Did any of you guys get caught masterpating laughing my ass? driver I don't think my parents ever knew I think I was probably always under my blankets and then like you know Someone comes in and just hang out in the bed. That's true. I don't think explicitly You know had some close calls with the desktop computer upstairs.  Yeah, right? I Think I had one with my parents But the most embarrassing one that I thought was like just really funny as I was in junior in college And I lived in this house at Westchester and I forget which friend it was but one of my homies Came downstairs and I was like Off and the dude we had all our computers downstairs that everyone had their desk down there Yeah, and like I lived in another room with a dude Like one of my good friends, so I went downstairs to off and I was like and then my friend walked down He was going to this morning class and he's like dude seriously like totally I had like a shirt on and my pants were pulled down And he was just like dude. It's like nine in the morning Bro so much I'm a horny guy Barry asks How do you fit those good foods into your macros? For example, I like to enjoy ice cream Friday night, which is about 750 of my 2,000 calories Yeah, just like us Barry. Mm-hmm. Is it more important for me to stay at 2,000 and come in under my macros or hit my Macros and go over my calories for the day. We've been getting this question a lot Which actually we should explain because if you're hitting your macros, you can't really Overshoot your calories because they're correlated. Yeah, it depends where you're doing the rest of the week, right? So if you're in a calorie deficit The rest of the week then you can take this one day and eat a slight calorie surplus So eat about hundred and fifty percent of what you would usually consume So if you usually consume 2,000, I guess I'd be you would consume 3,000 So maybe just Friday's a day where you consume 3,000 calories.  My math is not fantastic Let's call it 600 of that.  I personally think that's both I think that as long as you are eating a majority of your food lean meats tons of vegetables fruits Getting a lot of water maybe supplementing with athletic greens or something like that Then you can eat a piece of cake every day like it's not that much That it's gonna destroy your body and personally There's not even enough research out there that says it's terrible for you one article, dude One of the best articles I've ever seen written on this topic was written by this night. He's not 19 now He's like 22 there's this guy in the internet world called army leg. He's a great dude He is this article called eating clean as a myth and it is fantastic. It's got millions of views It's got a lot of hate But also he brings up some great points on basically why it's totally fine to eat a little bit of ice cream every day So I would just say man, you have to be realistic with your life Have fun Don't stress about the small stuff and you can fit that kind of stuff in as long as you're not pigging out Kare Asks what are some tips for those looking to start a business? Any more deep still in the app excited. Let's I want to just the first question by itself for us I think it's a super important one. Yeah, what are some tips for those looking to start a business? Hmm, I would say start with doing something that you would do for free You know like because starting a business and running a business and having successful business is really hard Takes a lot of our work.    So Dan I picked jump rope We're like the value we're gonna add is we're gonna teach people how to jump rope to get lean That's our thing. That's a value we give to the world So think about things you like and what value can you give to the world in that in that niche? And so I agree totally with what Brandon said and I would just add to that Also self-awareness is huge.  We should link this He talks about he's like who do you think are the people that win like everyone's like oh You this guy's got lucky blow up the people who win are simply the best That's it if you want to be if you want to win Just be the best at whatever you do and if you're not the best yet Then you better be working hard every day just to become as close as you can to the best Because that's where when you when you when you do that in your particular field of interest or industry That's when you can make a lot of money doing it Damn Subdain cool profile pick me. What is both? What is your height? Just out of interest and dudes. Oh, you know six two six three Plus or minus a centimeter two. I'm six two and three quarters without my shoot six two Inches six two and three quarters inches without my shoes off.   Yeah six six foot three inches and centimeters Cm Brandon and I are about a hundred ninety to a hundred ninety one centimeters tall There it is, which is interesting because dude I didn't realize this but like a lot of people and they watch our videos think that we're like five ten Yeah, which is great because then we meet people and I'm just like John Now we're not we're like, you know, we're tall, but we're not like tall tall like six ten. Yeah, that's tall That's tall. You know what I mean? We're not NBA. So now we're gonna be a no definitely not NBA tall a Hey D&B What's up? What are your favorite veggies and protein sources? That's a good question. Oh favorite veggies. Mm-hmm. I like Brussels sprouts a lot Oh, I like it depends how you make them do some like roasted Brussels sprouts with bacon. Oh my god I like asparagus a lot.  Oh I like a good salad.  Oh Yeah, the vegetables a lot and protein sources. I like all the animals Chicken steak Pork yeah, deal. What are the animals my friggin and you got the fish. Yeah, I love the fish fish See food buffalo Listen, I will pretty much eat any animal. Yeah, and I would say for veggies broccoli spinach red and green peppers Brust definitely Brussels sprouts I know there's some I feel like there's someone missing. I mean those are like my pretty like it was my go-dos for sure and then protein sources I Love steak. I love steak. I love steak. I love pork I love chicken And then salmon that would be my other one. They're my top Dylan size of my cross rope Would going slightly longer on the rope size help with tricks. Thanks, dudes. No problem See in Boston soon. Go ahead. Yes Slightly bigger up. So if you're on the edge between two rope sizes I will get the one that's slightly bigger Just give yourself some more room to get through it when you Chris cross it when you double it correct Jared says hey guys. Hey, Jared. Hey, Jared. What's up, Jack? I have just started the four-week challenge and it's great I will definitely be joining the dojo in the future in the dojo. Yeah, man Let's link the dojo below an inscription linked. I just wanted to ask if you will be creating more plans Apart from the lean and muscle-building plans already available. Keep up the great work. Thank you, my friend We have a jumper workout plan. We just released a couple weeks ago So I guess you can put that in the description as well for you. It's also on our site is ndfinis.com Yeah, and then I think the thing that Dan I we might make a heavy rope. Yeah, yeah Beyond that, I don't know what else we're gonna do because like we don't want like we could keep making workout plans So you guys but the same time you could just put them on repeat or you can start to make your own workout plans We think that once people have been through all the plans we offer You probably know enough where you can just do yourself one app The app is gonna allow you guys to make all the work out guys The app is gonna have a workout in the premium version, which is gonna be like four dollars Yeah, it's gonna have the ability to make like to shake your phone and make new workouts So like you're literally gonna be able to create thousands of as I need fitness workouts Maybe not shake your phone, but yeah, I took a button. Sorry, but yeah, I wouldn't I would do Yeah, that's gonna be awesome Asks are my arms supposed to hurt from roping Yeah, they are man. They really are especially using Heavier rope or especially if you're just getting started when I do when I get that one pound rope And I'm getting there for a minute straight my forearms are burning.  Yeah You you're like coming out the other side a new person rebirth pain is not necessarily a bad thing chronic shooting pain is bad Muscle burning and like build up from lactic acid. Yeah, that's not bad You just need to fight through that my friend dude. That's the episode right there. Yeah. Oh One thing I want to mention.  We're leaving retreat. Yeah, we sell some slots open. We'll link in description below for you We would love to get some more of you there with us. It's gonna be an awesome awesome time It's just it's gonna be a small intimate group of us just adventuring of us doing game planning for your life So if you want to get some time with the zen dudes Just kick it and learn how to upgrade your health and your life in general We would like to see you there. Yeah, you guys if you come you're gonna get pretty much a Blueprint for how to work out how to eat and how to enjoy your lifestyle more while being able to lose weight So this is like a focus group of us like going in there and being like this is exactly what you need to do And it'll be good because we can meet you guys and develop a deeper relationship So we can continue to increase accountability as you go back and implement the strategies that we're gonna teach you and In addition when you get back we're doing one-on-one coaching calls with each person Recapping what you learn to make sure you implement it. Uh-huh, and we don't do coaching We don't do any coaching as end your fitness. This is the only way you can get it. Mm-hmm Mm-hmm. I think that's it. That's it, bro That's it. Wait, I'm sorry. One more thing. I'm gonna be in Philadelphia May 31st. I'm gonna be in Boston Sorry, I'm gonna be in New York Saturday, June 3rd. I'm gonna be in Boston Wednesday, June 7th.  We are


A protective paint used on the Statue of Liberty. A tiny laser that unclogs arteries. And for the disabled, a vehicle-controlled system like the Lunar Rovers. These are just a few of many products with roots in NASA technology. This eye-testing device, in use at a kinder care learning center, has recently been developed by the Medical Sciences Corporation in Wodawi, Alabama. It is called the Ocular Screening System. It is based on technology used by NASA's Marshall Space Flight Center in Huntsville, Alabama to analyze pictures like this one of the sun taken during Skylab missions in the early 1970s. Ocular Screening provides a simple, reliable way to detect eye problems in young children, problems which could be incurable if not treated early. The pictures produced by the system look like this. A totally red eye is healthy. White crescents or other variations indicate problems. 8 to 10 percent of the children tested so far have been found to have serious eye diseases or abnormalities, according to kinder care educational specialist Jenny Folsom. With young children, it's virtually impossible to be able to tell you that something is wrong. But this technique is so innovative in that even our infants can focus at the camera and the photograph will display any defects that are apparent there with no response from the child required. And how do the kids feel about the testing?  NASA technology is making an impact in another area as well. More accurately, it's absorbing the impact and a new line of running tubes. Running's popularity continues to grow and the constant pounding can be broken on the legs and feet. To help soften the blow, the Kangaroo Shoe Company, headquartered in St. Louis, Missouri, has developed a running shoe that incorporates a NASA material like one used in moonwalking astronauts' boots. Called Dynacoil, this springy, fibrous material is filled with polyurethane and placed in the mid-sole of the shoes. Dr. Joseph Hamel, assistant professor and director of biomechanics at the University of Massachusetts, Amherst, specializes in testing running shoes. According to Dr. Hamel, Dynacoil not only absorbs shock very well, it also helps control side-to-side movement. The high-speed video system he uses in his labs helps illustrate this point. When we run, our feet don't just hit the ground and bounce straight back up. They hit, roll over from outside to in, then come back up again. This is called pronation. If a foot overpronates, injury can occur. And until now, no shoe had ever controlled this motion so well. What we're always seeking is new materials. And if NASA has them and they can be utilized, then that's terrific. NASA and industry bringing space technology down to Earth.


Good evening. I'm Eric Yalbertson. I'm the vice chair of the design review committee. I think you guys know that we're advisory to the development review board and current of the current process. If we agree then that doesn't need to go to the development review board, right? Your recommendations go to the development. They go anyway. Yeah. The approval of the agenda. I want to make one change under other business. I want to do a report on the open house that the historic preservation commission had last week. Do you hear a motion to approve the agenda? All in favor? Thank you. 20 Baldwin Street. You guys know the process. You've been here before. Although we understand that we don't have to appear again before the design before the other board. Assuming you guys are on board with the project. For 20 Baldwin Street, correct. That is a, as long as you all agree, then it's administrative approval for that one. Which is a change from the last, I think we've been before this group. Three times? Maybe twice? That wasn't what I figured. Yeah. I have one question concerns. I can't quite read the number on a higher retaining wall. It's gonna be three or five feet. Three feet. Maybe a little bit more. I mean we can adjust depending on what we find, but it's a low retaining wall. I just want to. Five is really high. No. It makes it difficult. Yeah. It's a low wall. The one suggestion I would make with that is that you actually put, you know, backfill it, put a drain in and backfill it and daylight it out on Baldwin Street. So you're taking the water away that comes off the hill. There's a drain that goes underneath that driveway. It's a private drain that goes down over the banks, basically around our, the stone wall that we built. I don't know if you've seen the property yet. I'm sure you have. I'm just, I saw that, but I'm just thinking about getting the water out from behind the stone wall. That's what we're talking about. Right. So that will go. It's gonna be hooked into that drain. The drawing doesn't show a drain. I don't think it does. Did I not mark the existing drain? Behind the retaining wall. The drain is right here at the corner of the garage. Yeah, I marked it. Marked on the drawing that Landshakes did. Yeah. That's the existing drain, which was rerouted when we did the terracing. I'm just concerned the water comes down the hill onto that retaining wall and getting as much water away. If you're gonna dig and put in a foundation, the retaining wall, putting in a tile drain are afraid. Behind the wall. Yeah, and there's also a diagram on Landshakes stuff about what they would do behind the wall. They have a drain, they have aggregate, they have weeps. Okay. Do you remember, because when we were here once, not as petitioners, but as neighbors of the Land Trust property, you knew a lot about the place that they converted and added on to. Yeah. Right. Do you know what the driveway was originally at 20 Baldwin Street?  And it's clear that the asphalt is laid over a previous driveway. And it must have been, it must have been when the city did it because it's continuous with the Baldwin Street paving. And it has one of those bumps to stop your car if you're older and you worry about that. So I figure it was done at the end of the Kellys life. They've converted into offices, but the addition that's in the front used to be a garage. Right. Larry Adkin had the building. Right. He put a garage in there. And then they converted into offices, but I don't know. I'm just wondering if you ever noticed what was above the hill because that two car garage that we started with. Yeah. So we don't know exactly what we're going to find under the asphalt. Concrete. We expect there'll be concrete because there's a concrete apron that comes out from the garage. Does anybody have any questions? Doing a rub to finish on the concrete painting wall. Aesthetically, how is that going to? It's going to be a plain concrete wall, plant something that drapes down over it. We thought a lot about it because there's a lot going on. There's the redstone arch. There's our stonework below. There's cement, cement on the steps. And cement seemed like the least. Right. It wasn't introducing a whole new design vocabulary. Just so that you're aware with formed finishes, there are a variety that you can get. And some are really ugly. And with a like a hand rubbed or rubbed finish, it's more of an architectural finish and tends to knock down all the high spots. It's a little bit better looking. Okay, we'll talk them about it. I mean, we talked to a lot of people in town over the years. People suggested hardscapes, but you know, manufactured stone. Yeah. People suggested stuff. I mean, lots of it. And this just seemed like the lowest key possibility. Something you could see. You could, you could, I would put this as optional in here, but you could sort of, you can put dye in the concrete, tone it down, give it a little, you know, country turns out really white and harsh. You can put some brown, they have brown, it's just a little bit of it just to kind of tone it down. Yeah, we'll talk to them about it. The other thing is one of the projects we came here before is the place started with a two car garage and we moved, we kept the roof and the footprint, but we moved the wall of the garage back and created a breezeway to access the back. That's concrete. And infuriatingly, it doesn't get dirty. So everything you spill shows right on the sidewalk. Concrete gets dirty, and it becomes uniform, but it's protected. We probably should have put dye in that. Just kind of take a little bit and it kind of, it kind of takes away from that. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay. The evaluation criteria, preservation and reconstruction of the appropriate historic style, as the proposed project is in the historic district involves this sort of, that's acceptable. Harmony of exterior design with other properties in the district. That's acceptable. So there are certainly other retaining walls and stuff. Patibly approached exterior materials with other properties, that's acceptable. Compatibility of gross landscaping, acceptable. Prevention of the use of incompatible designs, buildings, color schemes or exterior materials. That's acceptable. Location of parents of all utilities, you're not putting in a utility, you're not acceptable, not applicable. Recognition of respect for view quarters. We've been down that road on the Land Trust property. It's a three foot tall concrete wall. I think that's a funny question. That's optional changes. I'm going to put down textured. And color. Textured or mildly colored. How's that mildly subtle? No adjustments in the scope. Nothing to 60. Probably it'll just be filled. The idea was to get a surface that was absolutely flat. So it could be shoveled as a small area. And that's a city tree of a piece with like that.  We're talking about spending a small fortune on you could sign it by the name. Another excruciating experience to sign review. They have not been bad experiences. And if we're lucky, this project like the other ones we have done will immediately look like it's always been there. Are you keep at it? I'll be the last one. It's always something. Yeah, endless. That's it. Are we done? You're done. So I can call landscapes and tell them that as long as we're willing to take the risk of an appeal, we can go ahead. Well, so this will get folded into the administrative permit. Okay. And what's the turnaround on the permit? A couple of days. So it shouldn't take long. I just I just got a little bit of a backlog. But no, and this is for them. Yeah, thank you. Seems to be nobody here for 27 School Street. And it's also if you wanted to this was something originally I wasn't necessarily going to put on the agenda officially. I was going to bring it and have you look and see if you cared about it. Because you've already looked at 27 School Street. But this is something they added in to the DRB application, with the landscaping plan and the patio in the back, because I needed more for parking from them. And landscaping. So the big tree is already there. And they're talking about adding the lilacs and you and your Cedar, Juniper and you through there. Yep. And then the back patio area is where there used to be a barn and it burned down. And it would used to be a concrete floor barn burned down. And they are going to take rocks from the site to build a stone wall around it and put in a patio area with a I want to say it was some sort of permeable surface. I can't feel concrete floor from the barn. If there is a concrete floor from the barn, it's all broken up, I believe. It's there but pretty shattered. That's my understanding. It's I think the stone works pretty well. Just putting stone on it and drains through being being new. It wasn't sure if this was something that absolutely had to go to you, but I was gonna run it by you. I think it should too, because it's external. Yeah. The rear of the building. I don't have any problem with it. But anybody else? Do we hold on this or I wasn't here for that. What? I wasn't here for that. Yeah, they're doing a ton of stuff. They did some came. It's all fine. They're really what they're really doing is restoring the front part, the old part. They're rebuilding a lot of the stuff back here, putting stairs, they're gonna put a apartment in the attic. So they had to have an exit stair. There's a lot going on. I can't even remember. There's a lot going on the back part of it. But none of us really visible the straight or changes the massing. They're going to restore windows in the front. They're going to paint it right now. It's just painted coral. Coral, light mob, something like that. But everything's painted the same color. Window trim everything and they're going to use the same colors as the Unitarian Church. Yeah. So it was that was approved last? That was approved last time. And this is a fairly minor change. They are doing a lot of work on that building. They've done a ton inside. Yeah. So what's your pleasure? Should we just say okay, go ahead or so honestly, don't let their juniors get as old as the ones at our house. 60 feet. The DRB is going to look at this in conjunction with everything else tonight. Okay. So I just know I don't know whether we need a vote on that. I suppose we might as well do one. Because you didn't see the original packet. So maybe I'll just make a ruling from the chair. Will it just be part of the approval that we issued last last time? Just landscaping? What I will I mean, I would see this is where it comes makes it difficult when you're a new zoning administrator. It would be it's part of the same application. So yeah, I think it would be part of the other the other approval, I guess. I was going to just take this. I know that with other other updates, like with the hotel, new things have come up. You guys have done a new recommendation form as part of the old permit, the same permit application. And then we've just forwarded on to the DRB. This is really minor compared to all the other things they're doing, they're putting stairs on the back. It was all fine. Yeah. So I guess if nobody has any recommendations, I can also just go to the DRB tonight and just tell them, you know, that that you don't need to see this again, they don't need to send it back to you for an official review, because you've looked at it. And you have no recommendations, you could say without, you know, we don't have to take a vote on it, but we could say that if it was it was consensus here, we could say that we didn't feel they need to take any action on this. That could send the same message. That works. That sounds great. Okay. Any other business besides mine? I'll be quick. Last Thursday night, the Historic Preservation Commission held an open house to talk about the new rigs. And I don't know if Sarah sent them to you guys or not. We had a very rough draft because we had a couple of meetings without a quorum. And we had a very rough draft. And we're going to do some modifications on it. We got some good suggestions. One of the suggestions that I'm going to do a report, get on the agenda for the Planning Commission. One of the suggestions was that the city figure out some kind of incentives for people working on single family homes to do whether it's a tax abatement, whether it's what I mean, I know from my experience and what the National Trust says that single family historic homes are the most underserved resource in preservation field because there's no tax incentives, no grants, nothing. So that anyway, we did that and the rules are pretty simple. I will forward them on to you, because Sarah, just as you may have, I don't remember. I didn't look at them again. And we have to be finished by August 15. Not finished with everything, but as something ready to go to the Planning Commission by August 15. And then we're going to full around with it. Okay. Anything else? Can we do the minutes? I don't know. I don't think so. There's only two of you. Right? Yeah. Okay. Okay. So I hear a motion to adjourn. Second. All in favor. You can vote with your feet too. Thank you, Meredith. You're welcome. 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Then we studied a local market which put LNT out of business these are all you you know essence of design and then we started our ideas catching in fact we did some 20 30 sketches multiple scale models so you can see the scale model there's a small scale pump model of this size so when we made these models we realized that this model was not very unique or very different from other existing products so like you know we were analyzing this model was unique because it was like having a sloping column and they're much more variety and to the everlasting credit of using scale models and playing with models this whole story of coming up with the z-line came up because of play with this particular model it was a small model in the hand we're trying to see how the sloping column can work better and we said why to have the pipe you see that vertical pipe so we removed the pipe which takes the you know signals from the bottom to the top and the electronic signals as well as the electrical wires and we removed that pipe and became phenomenally clean sleek as well as you know like less clutter so this is the predecessor which was not there in the sketch form so only when we started making models so I always keep telling my students that when you start making physical models scale models your creativity grows at least four to five times so here we have this you know pump which is at the plaster scale small scale and then we made a big presentation to the management the management said I you know we don't want to risk this completely novel out of the box idea but we'll make a prototype of this as well as the prototype of the pipe you saw the pipe design so those two prototypes we'll make but I said before prototype I like to make a mock-up model what's a mock-up model thermocool which doesn't work it's just made out of thermocool so this is the mock-up model made out of cardboard and thermocool and then we went for a meeting here what's the advantage of making these models you get a lot of inputs from across your company from the manufacturing people they came and told us what's difficult in manufacturing the the marketing people came and told us what is good or bad about the features which they think was important the people from the maintenance came and said oh wow this is very even a good to maintain but you see to that the box comes off very easily so everybody can relate to a mock-up model very early in the design phase so you can make quick changes and make it much better for implementation so these are the first mock-up model and then we made out of the mock-up models we you know made at least three mock-up models and we created two prototypes you remember the pie shape the pie which was the balanced form and we had the the z-line form so there was these two forms again in big companies like last in a tube bro there is something called the product development meetings in the product development meetings are very very tough meeting where every department comes for the meeting and at this stage it went to that particular meeting where we had head of manufacturing head of product planning head of finance head of maintenance head of marketing so all these people will come and they will look each one will look at his point what will the finance guy look at he will say how much investment i need to make in making these two products come true investment from point of your tooling investment point point of your buying new machines investment from point of development what will manufacturing guy say oh will my existing manufacturing machines take care of all the components we gave him a brief that the manufacturing you should not change some of the synergy so we kept 90% manufacturing same but we had 10% improvements because without that you can't have innovation coming in remember the sunflower model at every level you need to innovate so the major things we kept constant but we you know innovated on some very key components to come up with a great level of innovation so how many of you will choose the first or the second within the company it was very interesting that there were 70 to 80% people who chose the pie design why would they do that tell me it's stable very good what else safe very good what else people are used to that people are used to perception is very very strong remember my letter box example how i fail miserably when i you know negated the perception so then what else very true easy to install easy to you know there's no you know headache at all but but if ellentee is talking itself as imaginary to the everlasting credit of you know mr. devin the nath who used to teach at idc he's to come he was the head of r&d there and he was my boss in that meeting he challenged the manufacturing and challenged the people in the maintenance it said is it possible for you to take up this challenge of creating an out-of-the-box idea and taking it to the market when you give a challenge to people what will they say very accomplished engineers and accomplished people in the company they took up the challenge they said yes we will do it because they are like they had all the strengths they had all the best machines in the world to produce a pump which was very different from any pump which can be manufactured very easily by local manufacturers whereas z-line needed very very high end cnc machines very high quality control of dimensional control of the assemblies because just imagine if the sloping column becomes at an angle it looked very shabby people on making it look out of the box and in it in ellentee we are large petrol station ourselves so we installed both of them over there for study purposes and we checked what is happening they're all working prototypes so we reached the working prototype level what's the advantage of last year in tube as i told you after your first mock-up you get the complete strength of the company to smoothly sail to the next stages so that's the beauty of this design and this is the final you know selected concept that's me if you can see me in 1988 i think i was around 26 years old at that time