Sweet, I like my phone a bit. Welcome to the fall 2017 distribution depro. We have Matthew Queen and Haiko Kumar here to talk to us about RTO's continuous packaging platform. Good afternoon, everybody. Wait, microphone. You're going to need to start. I forgot to tell them. It's my fault. You can, yeah, perfect. Right, yes. OK, so I'm Matthew Yuan. There's not much time, so we'll go fast on some stuff. Hopefully, there will be, well, keep it like that. We'll have time for questions later. If not, I think I'm the only guy with a red cap around here, so you can find me easily. So let's get with the basics first out of the way. If you don't know what RDO is, it stands for the RPM distribution of OpenStack. And if you don't know what OpenStack is, it's a collection of software that lets you install and administrate cloud infrastructures on conventional hardware. RDO is also a big community of users of OpenStack, of package maintainers, as well, administrators, and so on. And their goal in life is to help you install your own OpenStack infrastructure. The maintainers of packages maintain about 250 packages at the moment, and it's growing. So what do we need to build a package? Basically, it's going to be a very high level. First, you need the sources, obviously, of the software that you want to package. We will call that the upstream code in the remainder of the presentation. And the next component of the package is called a spec file, or spec files if you have more. Basically, it contains the building steps of how to build the software from the sources, how to install it, how to remove it, the dependencies that it needs to work on your system, the patches, eventually, if you need to adapt it to your system, and so on. So from that, we can infer that the job of a packageer is pretty much the same as the job of an open-source developer. A packageer will need some form of version control. In the Fedora and CentOS universe, we called the spec file repository the diskit repository. It has to be on a public platform because it has to be open to the community and to reviews as well. You want also to make sure that the contributions that you get are of utmost quality. So you need automated testing and validation. So basically, you need continuous integration on it.  And so the tests are reproducible, sorry, and you have high confidence in their results. You also need a smart merging strategy. If you have a lot of contributions that come at the same time, you have to make sure that when you merge them, you're not going to end up in a state of your master that you don't really know. But when you're a packageer, you also have a specific constraint, which is upstream. You have to follow what's going on upstream. You have to make sure that your spec files evolve if upstream evolves. And you want to release as early as possible after a change occurring upstream, especially if the change is a vulnerability fix or security fixes. And when you package OpenStack, it's even more complex due to the sheer size of the project. OpenStack represents more than 600 projects for the last cycle. Every six months, there's a release. The last cycle was called Newton. So in the last six months, there were more than 600 projects, about 240 commits a day, which is humongous. Just for Nova alone, which is a compute component, we had more than 1,700 commits, which is about 10 commits a day. And during the stabilization phase, which is about one month before the release, it's ramped up to about 280 commits a day. So what does this mean for OpenStack packages in the audio community? It means that you have to make sure that the spec file is validated against each change, because if you wait for 1,700 commits, you're going to have a bad time. So we can do that at the last minute. Also, you need to be aware of the strong dependencies between the software in the OpenStack suite, because if Nova changes, it's going to impact all the other projects. So it's the compute component for OpenStack. So if you have a change on Nova, it's going to affect everything. So you have to test again all your other packages to make sure it's still working. And the test platform must also be able to absorb huge spikes in activity. So now that we know what the problems are, let's look at the tools that we have at hand to build an RPM factory. So first, let's look at what the audio community came up with. The main tool I'm going to talk about, I'm going to be fast on this if you have questions just discussed after the presentation. The first one I want to talk about is called Delorean, like the car in Back to the Future, because it basically builds packages from the future. It looks at what's happening upstream. And when there's a change, it's going to try to build a package using the new changes in upstream. It also acts as a master IPM repository because it uses the latest source code from upstream. And if you want to know more, there's an article linked on the presentation. We're also going to use a CLI, a common line interface called RDOPKG, which will help with the basic tasks needed for maintainers, especially flattening patch chains that have to be included in the spec file. We'll talk about that more when Hikerl talks about the use cases. Next, let's talk about community tools. The centOS and federal community use a tool called Koji. Koji is basically client and server architecture that lets you build and store RPN packages. So you can use your own instance of Koji, but you can also use the community build system, which is an instance of Koji that has been set up by the centOS community. And you can build if you have to set up communication with the centOS community first, but you can use it to build your packages on it and test them. And the last piece of software that we're going to use is called Software Factory. So this is basically a software forge, which includes CI CD platform. And the specificity of it is that it's inspired by what OpenStack is doing for their own CI that we call infra. So it uses basically the same tools, tools that you might know, like Garrett for code review and Jenkins for testing for job automation, but also some tools that weren't that known because they are developed by the OpenStack infrastructure, like NodePool, which is a service that provides job nodes on demand, and Zool, which is kind of a release manager. And also Job Orchestrator. So I go fast on the features that Software Factory provides. It's really cool for development, not just packaging. So you have code hosting and review through Garrett. You have Job Orchestrations through Zool and Jenkins, as I said. You have also Zool as a nice feature, which is project dependencies management. When you build a test environment, it will build it taking care of those dependencies by itself. So NodePool allows you to use jobs, nodes, and slaves on demand whenever you need them. You have a smart communicating as well, so I go faster. The config is managed as code, so you can also use a CI workflow on it. And you have a flexible workflow, so that's why you are going to use it for ADO. So with all that, there's not much time, so we have to go fast. So with all that, we managed to create a RPN factory. So basically, upstream changes are going to be taken care of by the Lorent. And the tests are going to be taken care of by SOTA factories. The workflow is going to be managed by SOTA factory. And all the building parts is going to be taken care of by CBS, by the community build system. So this is a workflow overview. I believe that the presentation has to include a very complex workflow diagram that we're not going to explain, because it means that we're doing some serious business. But basically, what I want you to remember from that is that we're going to use three different kinds of repositories. We're going to work with upstream, with DRDO diskit, which is the spec files repository, and also a repository for patches that we're going to include in the diskit. And I will let Eichel talk to you about the use cases that we cover with this architecture. Thank you, Matthew. OK, OK, just hold it like this. OK, Eichel, I'm the word guy sitting here. I'm here because I'm the RDO release wrangler. So I'm the first user.  So we have three main use cases. The first one is packaging master branch, as Matthew said. So we take sources from upstream, like, for instance, the NOVA sources. And then we take the packaging sources. And then we use Dolorean, take both repository and try to generate an archive of the sources, and then generate the package using the spec file. It has also some magic to generate proper versioning and stuff like that. And after that, we have two possibilities. The package both. Everything is fine. Well, mostly. Because you could have hide and change that are not catch up. But that's our job from two packages to fix that. It fails. So what will it do? So if it fails, usually it's because sources have changes changed, or we have missing dependencies, or stuff like that. So we need human intervention here. So we create a placeholder review in Garrett. As a way to say, hey, maintainer, we need your intention to fix that point. You have the build logs showing you what's the problems. Please fix it. And the thing is, since we're using Garrett, it's public. So anyone can see the filer and fix it. And the maintainer will be able to review your patch and fix it and merge it. So it also helps to lower the entry barrier to packaging. So next step, well, also we're tracking stable branches. So rather than waiting that upstream makes a release, we just say, hey, let's try stable branches. Do as we do with master branch and package every comment. And see if anything changes. Usually it just works for stable branches, at least for OpenStack. But the thing is, we run CI. And we can detect CI failures early and fix them. Usually it's mostly we have to change dependencies or we have a dependency that was updated and broke, things. So what does it do? Two things. Since we are sharing branches between stable branches striking and actual releases, it detects if we change name and the version manually. So it will do a scratch build on CentOS build system. So we see if it builds. And if it succeeds and the maintainers approve the change, it will do the final build for you and it will get exported to CentOS repositories. The thing is, we get to control who has access to both systems like this. And it helps lowering the entry barrier because you don't have to grant both system access to everyone. So currently for CentOS CloudSea, we only have two or three people with access to the build system. But we have much more people doing the build through Garrett. So this is the same thing. So if it fails, you still need to have the maintainer come on and fix the patch. But it doesn't get merged. The third case is when we have distro changes. For instance, you have a user reporting a bag with system deservices, which are something that are not always tested. So it's a distro specific change. So you do the change. And as a previous use case, it will get build in CentOS build system and like this. You also have another category of patch which are changes, distro specific changes, which are downstream patches. Well, in earlier cases, use case, we tried to limit the number of downstream only patch. So what we do is we have a repository tracking upstream sources. And we manage downstream patches as open review in Garrett. So if you know Garrett, usually when you add patch, it gets merged. But in this specific case, it doesn't get merged.  Because we keep updating the upstream tracking repository. And our patches are just a set of reviews. And Garrett will detect if it may need to be rebased or if we have rebase issues. So when you can just rebase, it can do it for you automatically if you configure Garrett to do automatic rebase. If you don't, or you have failure, you just have to retrieve the repository, retrieve the review code. So the RDOPG tool will simplify that for you. And then you just do your manual rebase and update the existing reviews. So it simplifies maintaining downstream reviews. As a package for two distribution, CentOS and Fedora, I had experience with managing downstream patches. And the biggest issue is simplifying collaborative work across patches. So different packages have used different tools and they work sometimes on the same page. And here we have only one, Garrett and Garrett, period. So it makes it simpler, OK? So return on experience. So for RDO, we're in the OKTA cycle, OKTA being the next open cycle release, which will happen around February 20. So we have numbers for the previous cycle, which is Newton. We had about 800 comets from 70 contributors. So my team at Reddit is about seven persons. And not all of them are doing packaging. So that shows that we have multiple people outside the RDO team helping on the packaging. So mostly people outside Reddit and few Red Haters. We also code through Delorean in Master Branch about 230 bulk failure. So it's about one and a half bulk failure per day, but we don't have bulk failure every day. It's mostly about early in the cycle or just before release candidates. So we can get for two weeks no bulk failure. And just before the release candidate, we can get 30 bulk failure at once. But it allows us to detect bulk issue early. When we get, for instance, and I'm coming here, RDO Newton packages were available in central repository 10 hours after the assumed general announcement. And why? Because when the announcement was made, all our packaging was ready. We had CI jobs that was already running against that code because it got frozen at some point. And that's what we had to do was just pushing the final tags in the packaging repo, running CI jobs, generating final repositories, and also updating documentation or own announcement. And that's all. So that's quite fast because the usual process for distribution is wait for the announcement, retrieve the table, try to build the thing. If it fails, fix it. So just imagine for OpenStack, which is about 400 pages and not even counting the dependencies. So if you're trying to do that, it takes at least two weeks to do a roller release. And two weeks is very narrow to do that. So it's kind of successful to release faster and with higher quality, thanks to CI jobs running behind. So the returning experience was we have automated the distribution pipeline. So it's like continuous delivery in practice. So we are following the OpenStack pipeline, integrating within the CentOS pipeline, a release pipeline. We have still a few things to automate, but it's mostly here. Sorry. We leverage a collaborative work through Garrett and reviewing. So it has much advantage over GitHub for request, but I think the same article that Matthew was pointing out early, I think. Another one? OK. Very different topics. So it's not also just really difficult. OK. One of the issue when you start a new RPM or any packaging distribution is that building a community of contributors. OK, let's be honest. Most OpenStack developers don't care about packaging. They don't want to learn about packaging. They don't want to learn about new process. So we are using a process that is much similar to the OpenStack one. They're using Garrett. We're using Garrett. We have the same concepts. And also, anyone that is not familiar with packaging can start trolling up, because they can see through reviews how people are working, what they are changing in spec files and stuff. So it's kind of self-documenting process. So it makes it simpler. And you get cut transparency, peer reviewing, and so on, faster and boarding. So if you want to join us, so if you want to implement that kind of process, you can look at softwarefactoryproject.io, which is the basis of the RPM Factory project. It is used by software factory itself, DistributedCI, which is a distributed CI for RPM distributions. Skydive, which is a network analysis enzyme. Skydive network analysis is the second one. Yeah. And also, if you want to see a live instance, you also have review.air.do.project.org. That also three projects. Air.do from the CentOS Cloudsick, Delorean project, and also Optos, which is another CentOS sick, providing operational tooling. And maybe your project, or maybe you want to build your instance. So if you want to keep in touch, well, softwarefactoryproject.io, or Air.do, also Air.do.project, on three nodes, you have the Software Factory channel. If you want to roll your instance, if you want to have feedback, or help, or want to know about OpenSec, we have the Air.do channel. And also the mailing list of both projects. So feel free to ping us. Mathieu is embering on the RSE. I'm number 80 on three nodes. So feel free to ping us or catch us in the lobby. So thank you for attending. All right. Before we take any questions, since we made it pretty fast, actually, so that's good, I just want to add something that I didn't have time to mention before about the way the workflow is implemented. We can look at the workflow diagram. The important thing that is added through Sorter Factory is that all the tests for CI are done before any actual merging. So that's a very different approach to what usually CI does, because the CI tests are usually launched once some code is added to the code base. And because we are an open source project and we might have a lot of contributions, we want to make sure that the contributions are valid before we actually merge them. So not just a peer review, but also automated validation. So do you have any questions? Is this workflow available on your web page? It's on the audio documentation. Yes? The downstream patches are reposed to be considered usually get-up-stricted. It's complicated. What? About using the patch? You're going to manage it? Yeah. Yeah. Consider using it. Get-up-stricted. Oh. Uh, no. We've just... The current process changes are kept open? Yeah. No, we have our own tooling to flatten the patch in the packaging desktops, because desktops just store all of the downstream patches in the repo. So we don't need to have them inside our repository. We just need the tool to retrieve the flattened patches. So our dear package will connect to Garrett. It will see all the open reviews and it will check if CI is passing. It will check also the voting so you can have patches review open, but if they don't get the right votes they are not included. So you can even remove a patch very fast. Okay.  Another question? That's the last question. Okay. Are you going to use CI to have some... every change to flattened patches? Oh, we're trying. Actually, the thing is we don't have enough capacity to run that, but it's... we're retrieving changes from upstream every five minutes. So that's pretty much close. Sometimes we get three commits merged at the same time and we just test them all together, but that's something we're working on, but I don't think we ever had more than three commit tested at once in practice. And by the way, I'm seeing an RPM factory from contributors here. Sebastian, so if you can applause him. Thank you.


Google, where he culminated his time there as the program manager for hiring veterans, Google's efforts to hire more veterans. And he recently became the president and CEO of the DC Chamber of Commerce, where he is charged with trying to provide networking opportunities, education opportunities, and the other support infrastructure for, and I left out, he's actually started his own business and so is well familiar with the challenges of being an entrepreneur and of communicating the value of a new idea and the importance of a new idea to potential investors, et cetera. So again, he's come at this challenge of communicating and being communicated to from multiple different perspectives and has graciously agreed to share his thoughts and observations on the topic with us. So, Harry, thanks so much for taking the time to be here. Really appreciate it. Thank you, Maureen. I'd actually like to say thank you to each of you for what you do. I'm humbled by the opportunity to come by CSIS and I've worked with CSIS in years past in talking technology. I know that's the theme and you're spending the day looking at it and I just wanted to share a couple of thoughts from my perspective from when I was a consumer of technology on the sense of being a junior officer in the SEAL teams which remains an honor. I'll always be a frogman. And then going into industry and one aspect of that was spending a couple years at Google which is just such a historic company and then their approach to technology, how they apply but also communicate about it. And then now I'm president and CEO of the DC Chamber of Commerce. We're about a three to four million dollar operation. I've got a little bit over a dozen people and we are the voice for business in the nation's capital. I'm not Tom Donahue. People give me a raise sometimes and he's doing great work but I am for the city and if you're doing business in the city that's what I focus on. But going to technology, again, I know that we have several different classes of stakeholders here in the room. If I could see a show of hands. Who here is right now with US Defense or Department of Defense or IC? Actually wouldn't raise your hand if you're IC. That's a straight question. Okay, who here is with industry, private sector? Okay, great. Who here is with academia or, okay, excellent. And how about international? Someone who's non-U.S., excellent, great. So I think for technology, one of the things to keep in mind and I just have a strong imprint on this and just who I am and how I look at it, going to the Naval Academy, Exciencia Tridents is our motto and out of knowledge, sea power. And so one of the things that is in this conference is technology and what that means for defense. But I think what's powerful about the United States is that we have the approach that technology matters for us because of the results it gives in our national defense, but also in our prosperity. I am a capitalist and I think that's one of the biggest things that we have going for us. And why is that? Technology has to do it only advances if you have a certain amount of liberty and freedom to innovate. We've got some military people here, so the Uda Loop and you hear about that. That's a common theme that I've seen over time. So special forces, you have the opportunity to innovate and to apply and actually make a difference when you have that freedom, to make sure that yes you have what you're given and that's a different type of communication as well. I'll tell you what, I showed up, Spuds Class 157 after graduating from Annapolis and you can imagine how it feels to show up and there's enlisted folks who run the training there. So I showed up as an officer and it's just, you can imagine it's fun. There's a certain type of thing that technology has communicated to you there because I would say that how you organize teams is an aspect of technology. How you organize and allow people to contribute ideas, how you look at refining processes and on the international side of things, one special forces leader I think about is David Sterling. Started the SAS World War II. The idea was to go from these big units and his idea, you almost got kicked out of the British Army and he literally gave one of the best elevator speeches in history and the SAS was born and he was given freedom to harass the Germans in the desert with just a bunch of guys in cars that were disguised to look like German vehicles. Then if you look at somebody like Eric Olson, my first assignment in the SEAL teams was working at SEAL delivery vehicle one. So I believe in sustainability, clean energy, I've talked about, I've been at a smart grid company during my career, I did some energy work at Google, but I like to tell people my first job, I drove an electric vehicle years and years ago. Just happened to be underwater, right? So from that aspect, what the special forces and the units out there, you have technology being applied, then you look at the private sector and there clearly is an overlap. The military can't do everything on its own. I think a great story that illustrates that, Martin and I were talking briefly about this. There is the story about how uranium came into the United States to have enough of the store that had those two bombs that ended World War II. There's a Belgian businessman. Anybody know this story? Raise your hands. Okay, there's a book called, there's one person back there. There's a great book called Uranium, The Rock to Change the World. But as far as communication goes, who knew there was a Belgian businessman who was reading science magazines and keeping up with what was going on with the Tomics. And this was, as the Nazis were rising to power, he literally took it on himself to go down to the Congo. Shinkwa Loebway, I think is the name of the mine, where there was the largest store of uranium in the world. At his own expense, he shipped this to Staten Island. And here's the communication part. And here's something to keep in mind, I think when you go into your eight breakout sessions, I hope you talk about this sort of thing. He went to DOD, he went to the Army back in those days, for the U.S. and said, hey, I got this stuff and I didn't want the Germans to get ahold of it. And he basically got the, yeah, yeah, whatever, buddy. And then it turns out that somebody asked about this. Someone remembered this person's name, he was put in touch, and we got the store of uranium that we needed. It was critical that we have that amount. Didn't go to the Nazis, we got it. Of course, in Staten Island, that site is still a disaster because he stored it in the warehouse on his own, private sector, true story. So that's inspiring. Let me go back a little further back because I love history. And I understand that there was a gentleman who talked about the monitor earlier today, right? And I love naval references, right? Go Navy. I'll go further back than that. The Greeks. There is a great book by John Hale called Lord of the Sea. And it's about the Athenian Navy and the birth of democracy. And this is one of the best aspects of communicating technology that has ever happened. And it changed the course of history. There was a Greek warrior, seamen, and a man named Themistocles, political leader. And what happened is in Attica, the Greeks found a store of silver just by what the Greeks would call fortuna. Happenstance luck, but luck matters what you do with it. Instead of taking that store of silver and doling it out for political favors, which is where things almost went. Themistocles staked everything he had on convincing, not just the Athenians, but all the Greeks in league, to build triremes, this new type of worship, three layers of levels of people rowing. And they had this bronze that they put on the front with a battering ram. And they knew the Persians were coming. Xerxes was on his way. And he convinced them by communicating, this is exactly how this is gonna make a difference for our survival. And communicating that science, what was important too is he put a little bit of money in it. I am president of the DC Chamber of Commerce. My tie is green, right? Cause it's a color of money. But money really is about opportunity and growth. It's also green, by the way, for local folks, because that's supported by Mario Bowser. He's gonna be a great mayor. And if you ever wanna get in a local scene at DC, please join the DC Chamber of your business. But what Themistocles did is he said, look, if you don't believe me about the Persians coming, these will also be good for just protecting our own shipping. So it had monetary value. He was able to communicate to the market, this is why it matters. And it was really one of the first public-private partnerships that ever happened. And what did happen is the Persians came. They won the Battle of Salamis, Straits of Salamis, changed history, and then the Greeks went expeditionary with these vessels that they had. And they actually took the fight to the enemy. And then their adventures led to Egypt, other parts of the world, and an empire was born, and it changed things. Why I like that story and why it was so critical is the way they organized themselves. If you look at the city, the how democracy, their approach, it really was about ordered liberty. It was about freedom, not only in war fighting, but freedom and just the very basics of society. So if you move forward to Google, and my observations there, here you have a company that started out as a science paper, right? With Larry and Sergey and Backrub. I don't know if anybody's read the paper, it's actually up. And how do you look at organizing all this information that's gonna be on this new thing called the Web, which by the way, I have to give a shout out to Vent Surf, who was a colleague of mine. He's a great American being at DARPA. He and Paul Kahn in 1974 working, and I know DARPA is well represented here, and we can't give enough to DARPA. We can't give enough to DHS, S&T, as long as they're applying, of course, but they've done great work over time. And we know that Vent was working for national security interests, and he's a great patriot, but he also believes in privacy and freedom, and just, you know, he's a great American. Larry and Sergey, communicating, you have to convince markets, you have to convince investors. Here's why this matters, and to grow and actually to focus on delivering value to the user is something that's critical. We do this, I know Special Forces, the user are your buddies, and the folks that depend on you actually threading the needle, being able to make a result that's just many times order of magnitude bigger than it should be for what you're doing. Likewise, if you've got a company and you're an entrepreneur and what's amazing about capitalism, why liberty wins is because you have that freedom to operate. You have that freedom to have creative destruction for the powers that be, remember horse and buggy, and then you have the automobile, that fight, that continual renewal and growth, but what matters is the struggle and having that freedom to communicate. Yes, how do you talk technology there? You have to talk in a way that matters to shareholders, but you also have to talk it to your users. What I was really, I joined Google in 2008, I was in the D.C. office, I was a lobbyist for a large amount of time there, and what I saw is that focus on the user and that focus on making things very easy to use, intuitive, but you also have to communicate and continually show people this is why this is a better product, and then also the idea of just continuing to find out what does the user want and being willing to drop some projects and go on to others, that's critical. If I look at the city level, oh, and one thing at Google too that I learned, I know policy is the order of the day here in D.C., whether it's local, which I'm very focused on, the Wilson Building with the mayor and the council, we have the Congress, we know we just had a lot of upheaval, I think that's, it's important, democracy thrives on that. I have personal feelings about gerrymandering and how we do those sorts of things, to the extent that it may structure what the founders intended, we can come back to that, but I think what's important is that we're able to change and renew and listen to what people want, and technology in that sense continues to be important. Congress has things at one level, then it gets down to the agencies. While I was at Google, I was able to make a point about a smart grid. $4.5 billion in the stimulus package went to smart grid pilots. So smart grid is really just an instance of IoT, internet of things, where you've got the electric grid, utility company doesn't even know these lights are on. As we move forward, and this is trillions of dollars over years, we'll start to upgrade the grid. PEPCO, being acquired by Exelon, they're putting a $1 billion undergrounding project in, there are elements of smart grid in that. While I was at Google, I was lucky enough to, after talking to VentSurf, just had an idea on a weekend, I did. And I said, $4.5 billion is gonna go to what really is an energy internet. It should be for open protocol. Because open protocol approaches, I mean, not just proprietary. And Congress should say, this is, we're only gonna give these dollars if open protocol is available. And if it's appropriate, of course. We went for it, now Senator Markey took it up, he championed it. What I heard back is that by the time it got to Nancy Pelosi on the House side, it was pretty straightforward. And this is communicating technology. Something that had completely very technical, complicated arguments, things about cybersecurity, security through obscurity, which we had to address those arguments. But at member level, communicating technology or talking technology, it had turned into, look at what the internet had done. VentSurf could speak very powerfully on that issue. And for the House, at least, it said, this is an energy internet. We should allow this to be open protocol. The OODA loop, the innovation cycle will happen more and more translated into jobs and a better approach. We had to work harder on the Senate side because there were vested interests for companies. As you can imagine, if you have millions of dollars at stake on proprietary systems, you're gonna have another approach to talking technology. What I was really just, I can't believe this happens, I pinch myself to think, it went through and one of the biggest opponents now talks technology in a different way. They hired an open protocol specialist. Now if you look at Smart Grid and the ways it's talked about, you can see that it was embraced and it's actually being implemented at DOE and other programs, city level. So for Washington DC, one of the reasons I am just so excited about being in this job is we have hard work to do, not only on sustaining the great energy and international investment that's going on in the city, but not forgetting that we have part of the city, east of the river, if you will, east end, ward seven and eight if you wanna get really local, where our graduation rates may not be there, not where we need them to be. And my strong feeling is as we look into what's really critical now, cyber, I like to say the code is more than the sort. We have had African-Americans. I'm African-American, I was born in the city. My parents moved from Southeast when I was five years old. I would have grown up in a pretty rough neighborhood. We kept going to church in DC even though I moved out to Maryland. My wife is from Chevy Chase DC. I jumped with her, so I never went over there until I was out of college. But here's the point about talking technology. As Americans, until we can get the academic results up, until we can communicate why it matters to be, not just into STEM and technology coding, is a new way of communicating. I think it's a new literacy and we really have to take it seriously because as you know in this room, there are a lot of ways that we need people to pick up a computer, not just a rifle, and to make a difference in what we're collectively trying to do as the United States and with our allies, and just at a minimum level for making sure that commerce and just what civilized nations do has a floor. And so you can see my point about why we really have to get into that, but how do we talk technology in that sense? And so at the level of government, at the level of politicians, I commend each of you for what you try to do to maintain money for programs. I heard a comment about, well, if we've got 10,000 programs out there, how do we keep them going? And then one final thought, because I know I have to close, so I'm a big believer in training the way you fight. And Navy Seals, we live in a shame society, not a guilt society. Things are open. You're only as good as your next fight. And so to the extent that you have programs where you can demonstrate when you can really test, and I guess it's beyond simulations, it's actually saying, how do we apply this? In a very realistic scenario, in cyber, I really like the idea of having constant scrimmages, if you will. I went to the Naval Academy, I think as a starter you could have the Naval Academy Air Force West Point put up not just the cyber defense exercises, which are phenomenal. I know there are some folks who have done that for about nine years. We take some of the best from the academies and they have cyber challenges and go against each other for three days. Fantastic. When I was a plebe, we stood watch in the kinetic sense, walked around our portion of the academy and challenged anybody, tap them if you had to, if they're not supposed to be there. Why not put a VMware instance, put on a machine at each of those watch stations, coordinated with the battalion level up to the Regiment Brigade, whatever at the academy, and just make it a real exercise where you're getting hit every week at least, maybe every day. And at the end of the year, you could give the Commander's Cup for cyber for the best academy that did that. You could also pull in schools like George Washington, which in the city here is doing phenomenal things. Maryland's doing great things. Johns Hopkins, because of APL and what's going on there. Those sorts of things where you look at it, then you can actually start building on top of that other results. And what I'm getting to is if you have the right type of test bed where things are being communicated, you can actually have results surface in a way that matters to leaders who are up higher, who can see results and you can point to it. Numbers are the language of business. They are also the language of making decisions for politics, not always, but a lot of times. And so I think throughout history for me, I just wanted to share that special forces approach. I've been just very humbled to work with so many people who have done amazing things. I saw Admiral McRaven in a bookstore here in town a couple of days ago. Just a very saw-spoken and powerful and just impactful leader. And just to think about how he speaks from experience, the difference that he made. But really, I guess if I wanna wrap up with one thought and I don't know if we have time for questions or not, but maybe not. How would I tie ordered liberty to talking about technology? I really think it's into having the freedom to innovate, to make a difference and actually demonstrate that what you're doing matters for defense. We can never tamp down on that. Unfortunately, we know how bureaucracies go. We know that things get strangled off sometimes that shouldn't. But again, what each of you do in trying to talk technology is absolutely critical. And there's different types of conversations, yes, going on within the government, different conversations going on in the private sector, different conversations that are going on politically. What I'm excited about is I think Washington, D.C. is a unique environment in which we can try and pull all those things together, whether it's with our phenomenal healthcare, the hospitals that are here doing tech transfers with a dozen plus universities that are here in town. By drones, wow, if Virginia and Maryland have one of the six pilots that are allowed, I know there's concerns about national airspace, but what if we did some limited pilots here where we could deliver a defibrillator by drone or an EpiPen or, God forbid, there was a homeland-type response in tourniquets we know from Boston. Sometimes you need to augment how many of those are needed. Somebody had a hard tack, you get your phone out, hit it and it comes over here and lands sooner than you could find the one that's somewhere else. Those types of things, maybe that's not the best example, maybe immunological responses, how I can model cell phones if people want to participate, the likelihood that we're going to transmit something in on a phone and it's a city, cities matter. The volume that we have, the minds that we have in this town, it's a great place to talk technology and with that I just want to thank each of you for what you're doing. I'm humbled by the opportunity to speak and thank you very much. It's a tour de force of Greece to EpiPen by drone. But thank you very much. Questions for Harry? Yes, sir. We got a whole slew over there. If I could ask a favor if you could just say your name and where you're from, I'd appreciate it. Hi, Jerry Epstein with the Department of Homeland Security. Yes, sir. You've emphasized the importance of talking technology or theme and adding value and making clear the value that's added. One of the struggles that the technical community has had ever since the government performance in Results Act from the 90s is how do you do that in the basic research arena? You can make general arguments which we know are true. You don't know when it's gonna pay off, it's gonna have massive breakthroughs. But you really can't structure it and it's very difficult to find a metric. One of my concerns is it seems like we keep taking money away from things that are useful and dumping it into things that are measurable. And so I'm wondering how you address the basic research part of this communications and how you make clear the value you're adding with anything less, anything more specific than a very general argument. That's a great question, Jerry. And I think one thing is just to remember, this is part of the mandate of DARPA. You need teams that just think of something. Well, I'll tell you what, if it works, it's not crazy, but you have to have an accounting for just taking, just being expeditionary and different types of things that may work and you look at the payoff and what it might be, we have to really call out examples in history where it could have been something that somebody had thought that that's just crazy, like why would you do that? And then point to the case that, well, this actually turned out to be not so crazy and it's not crazy if it works. So I think that that is a challenge, but I think one of the main things you can do is take the bigger picture across time and look at examples of things that, for example, I love what we did with the British, frankly, during World War II. And if you look at some like Alan Turing and the Colossus, if people hear about enigma Colossus and all those efforts would have sounded insane to somebody. But somebody has to have that conversation to remember over time, there have been so many examples of that and we just have to account for it. I don't say just trust and I hope that's a general answer, but I think it's something that we really have to continually remind policy makers why that's the case. Does that make sense? Can I follow up on that? One of our earlier speakers alluded to something, he had just seen something about the iPhone and a deconstruction of all the various Defense Department investments that had been incorporated into the iPhone. So to sort of get at Jerry's question, do you think those kinds of reverse engineering, ultimately tangible applications of basic research advances, whether it be for the iPhone or anything else that people can relate to intuitively more than perhaps basic research are impactful or is it sort of preaching to the choir? I think it remains impactful and for basic research, again the question is how do we talk about it in a way that shows this is what's happened in the past and this is tricky, it's not easy to really translate it. One thing, muscle research, I won't go into it here, but I think it's really critical. Skeletal muscles, some things that are happening and it's not, it's open source about how you might have some of what we learn about that could apply for actuators, for robotics. So I see some nods. We didn't understand how muscles worked until 1954. On a deep level, a lot of that had to do with advances where someone might have, you may not have predicted how you could look at microscopes and electron scanning microscopes and how that would open up a whole nother area, but again it goes to communicating how basic scientific research really can make a difference and we have to keep at it and again we have to have freedom for folks to go off and explore in areas and it's not limitless, we do have funds and limitations but I think we do have the structure from past performance and past wins and there are things that should never be talked about but those teams actually have also track records and we just have to keep at it all the time to argue this is why it's important. So I'm a really huge fan of red teaming, really huge fan of, I think to the extent that there are barriers to, and I'll just say it straight, it's a may not be politic, to embarrassing some programs just to say, I mean somebody has to say the emperor has no clothes on and I think those elements within basic research, within the science of what we're going after, that's critical too but you have to prove that I really, on basic research, going back to just keeping people aware that when we talk technology we have to tie it to past successes and keep pushing the envelope on how much we're willing to show what the payoff could be if you get things right and I'll tell you some wild science, like I have three daughters, I talk about STEM all the time, my oldest daughter, talk about a dad who's lucky, she goes, dad I'm not really thinking about organic chemistry as much now, it's just straight math, yes. But we had this conversation about the Higgs boson, so that happened and God particle and all that and dark energy, sounds exotic, sounds crazy, right? Bet we better be at that, even if it doesn't seem like it's gonna pay off anytime soon. My story about that Belgian gentleman who went out and atomics sounded so exotic and crazy at one point and then shocking the world with those two first atomic weapons, it's basic research matters but I think we just can't say enough the difference that those, we don't wanna be surprised and that's why God blessed ARPA to make sure that we avoid strategic surprise, that's really critical. Thank you, Nate Hughes, second front systems. As both, someone just with a tip of the spear and also at Google, I'd be very interested in your perspective on where we find ourselves in the national security space with technology and so to be specific, more and more innovation is happening out west in Silicon Valley and elsewhere that is really beyond any influence by government. It's by industry, it's entrepreneurial to solve problems locally and add on to that our friend Edward, who's currently residing in Moscow. It's become I think less compelling for many people in many important demographics to do work with the government, particularly with the intelligence community and with the OD. How do we walk that back? How do we talk about technology in terms of the ways we use it in the national security intelligence space? To make the work, the important innovations that's happening out west, applicable, accessible, some of these companies don't even want to sell to the government if the government wants to buy their technology. How do we think about that? How do we talk about that? So, I'm sorry, your first name is the Dean? Nathan. Nathan, I'm sorry, I got that way out. Nathan, it's a great question and in fact that's on my mind here for Washington DC because one of the things that we talk about here in the city is how can we diversify? We know in some ways we've been a company town on some of the technological business that goes on here. Our version of Crystal City, yes, is M Street between National Stadium and Navy Yard. A lot of great work has happened there. There's contractors there. I want to see that expand. St. Elizabeth's got 150 acres. We've got where the old Walter Reed was up Georgia Avenue. But how do we make it cool to work with the government? And that question of, wow, you think we've done, we do amazing things, not just in DC but in Virginia and Maryland close by. We do have to diversify. But the question is if, yes, and you mentioned Snowden and concerns about privacy, first off, that was very harmful, what he did. I just think it, not a fan. But I think that as far as the next generation and young people, how do we just really underscore that we are an important force in the world? Because there are things that we have to be at that go to government issues, that go to national security, that we have to keep moving forward on. But the trick is, how do we bring some of that magic? You're right, from Silicon Valley out here. I think some of it is here, but I think we have to just look at basic things. It may not sound sexy, but things, but how much does it cost to really open up shop in DC? I think of Ward 5 in New York Avenue. They were driven down 50 and you look at all of the buildings and warehouses and wow, it's kind of lying fallow. How do we open that up sooner? So the policies that really make it easier for folks to come in, I think our universities are critical to, because the magic, Silicon Valley, we shouldn't forget the story that's there. There has been government impact. There's been government activity. There still is there. And I think the magic of Stanford and growing off, it's what you do with it. And it's the ecosystem that you can spin off. I think we have that tenfold here in Washington, DC. We have amazing research and programs that are going on at schools all over the city. Gallaudet, for example, a $7 million project, NSF. I've talked to a PhD there where she's got a cap that's actually reading, it's a neuroscience type move, compelling somebody who even wouldn't think of any defense applications might be inspired to work on that program. And the research that moves things forward, maybe that goes to who here is sort of Talos? Okay, there you go. So exoskeletons for the Navy Seals. There you go. It could be something where the program where the skull cap at Gallaudet was to help deaf children or cochlear damage to learn kids who can see and hear, they learn about language in a different way. Who would know that that program might actually have applications that could make a difference for an exoskeleton, control units if you're basically putting on a robot? That's kind of a long-winded answer. But I guess what I go back to is we can do it here. We need to ask questions. We've had other successes. If you look at Carnegie Mellon and Pittsburgh, if you look at what Boston's been able to do and they've been doing robotics, I really think Washington, D.C., we have an opportunity, and just more generally, to remember that there's an application for what happens. Cloud computing's a great example. I think cloud computing and look at Chromebooks, it costs $180 and you've got a computer that's one of the first hardware-enforced security approaches that's out there. If you haven't seen those, but people are still learning about Chromebooks with Google, there's some really good science and cryptography that's involved there, and I think they don't have to be mutually exclusive. Working on defense and working on things that hipsters or kids are like, I would never go to DOD or work for the government. I think we just have to keep at it. That's a different way to talk about technology and inspiring people to work on projects that could help the government. I realized maybe I was thinking, I saw all the hands over there because that's the way I was facing it. Questions over on this side? I also wanted to thank JD McCrary, who just sentimental me being here too. Can I ask questions? Just kidding. Here, we'll go back there. Hi, Arun Seraf in Center Arms Services Committee. I'm sorry if I missed this earlier on in your presentation, but in addition to the universities in town, you have three or four fantastic federal research institutions with lots of scientists producing lots of technologies, and so what kind of relationship is being developed with Naval Research Lab, Army Research Lab, NIST, the other folks in town are actually doing science for a living, not just funding science for a living. That's a great question. I need your help on those relationships. I have some past connections from what I've done over time, but I absolutely would invite each of you to look at me as someone who wants to help in what we're doing. I mentioned for a purpose that example of Athens, a great city-state that worked on technology, both on the commercial sense, the civic sense, and frankly the military sense. We have that here in Washington, D.C. So those connections, I have some, but I would like to make them stronger. On NIST, the National Cyber Security Center of Excellences and Shady Grove, it's a little bit further away. Nate Lesser, who's the director over there, and I know Senator Mikulski has given money directly to that program, but absolutely. I wanna find ways to make sure that we're applying the resources as one of the greatest cities in the world to the efforts that are there, and all the better if we're able to talk to a certain venture capitalist, for example, and say this particular company, which is deciding to open up shop. I think of Enlighten Tank as an example. My past chair for the D.C. Chamber of Commerce, Antoine Ford, born in D.C., African-American. He has 162 people at an I.T. shop. They handle all the police records for the city. They do some of the healthcare issues. They have cleared folks, including Naval Academy grads. They hire a lot of veterans. They have some I.C. alumnus, alumni there. So, I mean, that's an example of just one company, but I really want us to work together, and that's why I'm really thankful that I could come speak to you, because really, this is an invitation. Someone who, I see the benefit. It's a big part of why I took this job, as well. I was growing a cyber company before I just was contacted by a recruiter for this, and I'm from D.C., and I saw the potential to really leverage those types of relationships that are right here, and we can make a difference not only for companies that just want to thrive, I'm all for that, but we can make a difference for everybody who's in the city. Do you have a question? Yes, sir. I was wondering, you were talking about venture capitalists. What is one of the main, or how important are our patents to venture capitalists? I would say they're important, but how important? I would say, I'm not a venture capitalist myself, but as far as being a Noramaya patent attorney, I do know, actually, classmate of mine, Max Grant, if you don't know, Max Grant is one of the best patent attorneys in the country, Navy Seal Officer, Naval Academy, but I would say, from my time at Google, having been a lawyer, and I like to hear your perspective, if you want to mention a little bit more, I think it's critical because of what it means for certainty, prediction of where a company's going to go, and also has demonstrated something, too, that you've been able to put a patent out, but what's your position? Well, my name's Tom Payne. I'm a West Point graduate. Sir. And a Army Ranger, former, not now, and I'm also, was one of the Chief Patent Councils of one of GE's major businesses, and two reports away from Jack Welch, and I'm just wondering on the case of Google, which you used to represent before the Congress. Yes, sir. What is Google's position on patents? I wouldn't be in the right place to represent them at this point on where they are on patents, but how do you feel, where do you think they should be on patents? I would say that Google is anti-patent at best. I'm sorry? Google is anti-patent at best, and our economy, if they keep that up, will drop tremendously because those venture capitalists you were talking about are not going to put money into basic research unless those people can obtain protection for it. Right now, the way that the Supreme Court and the Patent Office are acting is software patents are not patentable, period. And you know who the leader of that was. Mr. Payne, I thank you for your comments and for your service as well, and. I thank you for your service. Yes, sir. We hold it on guard. Yes, sir. That's great. Yes, sir. But what I would say about patents and spinning around to what I am, my position now is this goes back to universities and we really have to find a way to push on, we have so many great universities in town, and I think of Jack DeGoya at Georgetown and Steve Knapp at GW, Neil Overton American, looking at when they bring professors in, thinking ahead, this is something that Stanford's done a great job on. What are you working on? How can this translate into patents, right? What's the track record in those translating into patents, but also where are the spinoffs? Where are companies that then you go off and you stay in Washington DC? I would love to see that, but thank you for your questions. If I could ask a quick question about, as you try to help DC businesses succeed, presumably some of them are marketing to the government, some of them are looking at other customers, do you find yourself in a position of trying to help them have that communication effectively? And if so, what kinds of guidance do you give them on how they think about those different audiences and how to talk to them? Yes, that's a great question. So we're just getting started. I'd started in April, so my predecessor was leading the DC Chamber for 12 years and Barbara Lang, captain of the DC Chamber actually 75 years old. So, but to the question of going and representing companies and going in front of government and how to best represent themselves, we have not, I'll be honest, we haven't gotten to that point yet. Some of what I'm at the point right now working with the Small Business Administration, for example, the regional director Antonio Doss, and I've been in touch with Javier Sade if you look at tech transfer, right, and S-I-B-R, those aspects, definitely in touch, we wanna try and bring that into the DC Chamber, but as far as federal resources, and this is where I need your help as well. I know Dr. Reggie Brothers, I'm a huge fan for DHS S&T, so he's here in town, but having started in April, I'm just getting to the point where we're able to really turn that into something that's programmatic, but the Small Business Administration is coming by the DC Chamber, and I love this, we're crossing the spy museum. We're right by Gallery Place Metro, and so we have the SBA coming in every Thursday, and they're doing consultations out of the DC Chamber. I would love to have people from NRL or other outfits that you represent. Stop by, find a way that I can be helpful. Find a way that I can put people like Enlightened Inc and other folks who, and I've had veterans join. People were connected with 1776, other tech places, and there are veterans who have joined the DC Chamber since I've been there, but I think, and that's just a straight answer, we are going in that direction, it's on my mind, but I need your help, you know, with it. And my website is, you know, it's just wwwdcchamber.org, so I'm right there, and as far as my name, I'd like to give you a mnemonic, so Harry, it's not descriptive, right? And Wingo, W-I-N-G-O, when I was plebe, I had somebody, I went to the Naval Academy just wanting to be a Marine and fly jets off carriers, and when I first saw pictures of Navy SEALs, I said, what are those, hippie Marines? But I, Wingo, it's my last name, and so Harry Wingo, and my team guy friends tease me because it's just, it's terrible what my internet, yeah, you're laughing, JD, my internet profile's horrible, right, I'm just like, I'm useless now, but I'd like to really work on that very issue with our companies, so. Question over here. James saying, well that's the question about talking technologies and the care and feeding of technology. You mentioned the president of Georgetown, and the last time I heard him give a talk, he was ruefully commenting about the number of people asked him why Georgetown isn't Stanford. New York, which is a pretty good situation as far as science and technology schools, is building a big new monster campus, and I was wondering if you could reflect about how Washington can stay competitive. We have good schools, but we really don't have world-class Stanford, MIT, Caltech-type institutions, and do you think we really would benefit from having something like that, and if, I haven't said we do, and if we do, what would you do, what the community can do to try to create such an institution? Yeah, that's- You came in except for the Naval Academy. Except for the Naval Academy, and I actually, I think our, I do think our schools are world-class, and they're members, but I think as far as getting world-class in the sense of tech transfer, and you're right, it's a Bloomberg, right, the effort with Technion, so Israel's version of MIT, Roosevelt Island, $100 million. That is a very specific thing that I would like to work on. I think one difference that we have is, we probably need bigger amounts of seed money that we can actually apply that go, and so I'd love to talk to you about that. Anyone else who has strong ideas on it? But I do think we are poised to have phenomenal growth in that area. We have that opportunity, so I'd love to connect on your, and get some more details about how you would, how we can go about that together. Thank you, Les. Gotham, Venigopal, and at the State Department. And so we've talked a lot about how to talk about technology today, but maybe we can talk a little bit about using technology to talk, particularly about local society issues, and is there anything that you guys are doing in your office about open data that might be used to help with civic engagement and things like that? Yes, that's a great question. I think so, I'd like to work on my website. I'm just, again, I'm a baby CEO in some ways because I just got started in April, a lot of ways, but communication is critically important, and I think international, I'd like to get, bless you, to get your thoughts on this because already, even though I've been there for a couple months, I've met with probably three or four Chinese delegations as an example, 30 people at one time from Beijing, and there's just so many people who want to invest in Washington, D.C. And so the question of how we use technology to communicate one that we're open for business and how on a local level, on a way to invest and put our businesses, small, medium, large, because Kaiser Permanente, Care First, PEPCO, Verizon, Microsoft, they're supporters of the D.C. Chamber, Telemundo just joined. But I think technology, we face this, all chambers face this issue. We have limited staff, and so I think that's why having alliances relying on our members as well, to get the word out is important. On communication, not only is there the effort, I tweet all the time, I invite you, if you guys want to see social media, and J.D., you'll get a kick out of this, I just, you know, if you've caught me, either locking out a submarine or doing counter-drug work for a couple of years, and told me that I would plan, I have a member here from the D.C. Chamber that I was gonna put together a gala where we sold over 1,000 seats and had a Grammy Award winner, Jody Watley, who was entertainment, and I had to go through flower design and things that we're gonna have on Trape's in the background. We got two cars down at the Marriott Marquis, and it's just part of it. It's just part of what goes on my toolkit now, but really it comes down to communication. But I think on the State Department side too, and this is an important note about talking technology, let me shift it a bit, and this may be encompassing what you meant. Prosperity is a message that we have for the world. If you look at what's going on in Syria and ISIS and just extremism is one example, I still believe with all my heart that what we represent as a society with liberty, with the chance for us to just spread the message of prosperity, and that's linked to technology so closely. I think that's something that Chambers of Commerce and cities can help with, but we do need to hear from you. Okay, thanks so much for taking the time to be with us. We appreciate it. Hopefully all of you will be joining the DC Chamber of Commerce this afternoon on your way out. Really appreciate you offering your perspective on all of this. Since we had a little bit of attrition, which was somewhat expected, we are now down to five groups. So for those of you who on your name tags say that you are in groups six through eight, you're not. You are now, group one and group eight will become group four. I'm kidding, we're not gonna average them. You will still be groups one and eight, but you will meet right over here and be on this side of the room. Groups two and group seven will be down at that side of the room. Groups three and four will both be going downstairs, which you can go down either by the stairway or on the elevators over there. And then groups five and six, if you could meet over by the elevators, you will be going up. So again, Harry, thanks immensely for taking the time to come talk with us. And we look forward to our conversations and our groups. Thanks. All right, appreciate it.


Yo what's poppin people welcome back to another episode of kicking their bass TV If you guys are new to the channel hit that subscribe button hit the notification bell I said like button if you guys have been enjoying the content Hope you guys have been enjoying the recent videos that we've been uploading We've been spending a lot of time on the rivers catching a lot of good fish We've had a great time a lot of jerkbait fish And uh last time we went palm fishing we caught a giant as well But in today's video we're going to be going over some of the coolest catches in the last few months We're going to roll a lot of those some of them palm fishing some of them kayak fishing some of them on the river And I really hope you guys enjoy this one if you guys have any like video suggestions or any ideas Please drop them down below for your boy if you guys want to follow me on instagram And go check it out at kick in their bass TV We're going to go ahead and roll this video. 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This is a good little Yeah, that's a good one dude Yeah, that's a good one. Hmm. That's a two pounder All right, it's coming out of my mouth dude and this fish has clobbered it This is what happens guys. We come out here. We film these specific videos But sometimes you just got to adjust you get some good fish like that. That's a good one Cody Look how thick that guy is He's just on that stump same stump. I just pulled that fish off of it. That was the next cast You got us a beautiful one right there Well, you gotta love it Thank you, baby.  Let's get it What? Oh gosh Dude no way It's a good one. Oh my gosh. There's no way dude. Look at that one You know how I caught that Cody? I was going on the trolling motor and I just feel like the automatic You see how we're moving right now and dude, I felt him eat it as I pressed the trolling motor It was just going next to the boat like this and he freaking slammed it. That's a good one. That's crazy. Yeah, it is a good fish What in the world? Thank you, buddy This is crazy, dude. There's some crazy stuff right there Oh, here he is, dude That might be a good one Yeah, pretty decent one Got a sinker right there at the top of his mouth. That's fat guy. Oh, that was such a cool catch. It's a big one Yeah, it's a pretty good one, dude Oh, I watched him eat it Oh, it's a good one Yes That is what we've been waiting on all day. It's a pretty good one. He choked it too guys I mean ate it head first. Look at this fish Yes, all I like two and a half or the head on it's like a two and a half Body's freaking skinny as can be Oh man. Well, there we go guys technically our first fish on video, but second fish today He had that sucker head first. That's what you want guys.  That's a beautiful fish. You got one big in Connor's got one.  That's a pretty one. Let's go over to the Connor and check out his He looks like he's got one bigger than mine, but man, that's a good fish on a jerk bait Let's go. That's what we're looking for here Oh, yes It's a good one I watched him eat it just like that other one came right out of that shade And slammed it. Oh, it's a good one Dude That's bigger than my first one.  It don't get much better than this baby.  That's still a three pound fish, but it should be a four pounder Head's so big on these fish. The body's just so skinny You can tell he was hungry Look at that beautiful fish Oh man You gotta love that man, especially after a day like today. That's very tough I will say the bites that we're getting are freaking big man All three of the bites we've had have been big boys. That's a long freaking fish Only if you were more filled out, buddy, you'd be a four pounder Thank you for biting man. Gosh. That's a good bass Let's go I think one just boiled behind me or he did Got him Nice.  Finally ate it. That's so cool We'll say the ones that we're getting today guys have been some good fish. This is the smallest one I want you guys to look at something. Look how dark this fish is This fish has been living All up in that grass You know when those fish get up in something like that some thick vegetation They sit up there for a long time. They actually start to turn colors So if you go fish some heavy like lily pads or Thick grass and you pull the bass out and he's like a kind of a golden dark look It's because he's up in that stuff But look at that one. That's a pretty one not a big one, but it's still a nice fish. Yeah, he's super dark, man He's living up in that grass Yeah, so what happened, I mean I threw on the edge, but I called him out, you know Yep Because he's been living up in there. I mean, that's why is that color. That's a pretty bass guys Fourth one today on the jerk bait not bad at all Here we go. That's a good one. Oh, yeah, that's a two pounder That's the ones we want Oh, yeah, that's a good fish Oh, yeah, that's a good bass after a little hunt this morning. Finally got us a good fish right there. That's a high one pounder Fat is can be chunky.  There's little brutes like that There's some good fish right there just caught some short ones to start off the day Now we're gonna ease up to some better fish Getting excited for you. That's a good little bass. Thank you, baby. Thank you for biting, baby There she goes They're gonna be down that bank right there, maybe Dude bout literally jerked the rod out of my hand That one ate it. That's how you want them to eat it. That's a good fish right there. It's pretty Very pretty bass.  He's got like a golden look to him too In cloudy days Look at that one actually ate it pretty good The last one kind of slapped it. He about pulled the rod out of my hand. I was not expecting him It's kind of walking. That made me fall There we go. That's pretty fish second one today.  It's not a big one, but he's a good one. I thought he was freaking huge. He boiled on that thing That's a good one ain't it really I looked over and I saw it attacking the flu, dude. That's a that's a great fish Like we were fishing tournaments out here. You'd love to have one of them in the box That's just fat, bro. I don't know if he's quite two pounds, but He's up there man for the size of them. Just so thick. These fish are dense out here. That's a nice one, bro. That's sweet Yeah, I skipped there right under that tree and popped it at the top and he rolled on it I thought it was a four or five pounder. Just the way he ate it seemed huge But I'll take a two pounder all day, bro Thank you, buddy So guys, you know Right now we're fishing this outgoing tide And we're almost at bottom pool, but the water's still pulling out of this little cut And oh my god, that's a good one Oh, that's a good one That's a big one, dude.  What'd you think? Yeah, it's huge.  He might be three.    I think mine's bigger Got me a crappie. Is he crappie or crappie? I don't know, dude Crappy, crappie, crappie, crappie It's just a it's just a little thing. You gotta give a fish bump on that. It's nice Nice. Oh, look at that boil, bro. Oh, he ate it. That was oh, it's a good one Dude, it's a biggin, bro. Oh my gosh. That's like a three and a half pounder Maybe four This is a big bass boys. It's the biggest one you've seen out here Cody. He choked it Look How he ate it Dude, what? That is wild. He ate that sucker head first He ain't as big as I thought he was but that's a three pounder gosh I thought it was like a three and a half four, bro Look at that one, dude Let's go, baby. These are the good fish we've been waiting to catch on the river He tried to eat me right at the boat and then I threw back in there and I watched them engulf it That is a good three pound river bass right there boys. Let's go That's a freaking chunk Chunk chunk chunk Let's go, baby He did it Well, this is the thing the cool thing this bite's gonna get better as the day goes every day now that goes by The fall bite what happens is these fish literally just start eating bait So in the fall the whole whole bet Oh my gosh, that's a good one, dude Oh gosh, dude, why in the world?  We've caught around 50 fish and Just catching i'm having a good time and all the fish that we've been getting In the last like hour have been good two plus pounders That one's almost three right there Gosh man Thank you, buddy Yes Look at that All right, and his nose too right in the nose Oh my god, you gonna believe this one? What that's my hook, bro What yes This is the fish that I just broke off, baby That's like a one and a million fish catch right there boy Look at that Perfectly good hook. I just tied her on about five minutes ago Is that not the craziest thing you've seen, bro, this is the best day Let me tell you guys this is the best day of big warring fishing I've ever had We haven't caught like a bunch of just giant ones But just as far as the fish that we've caught in the time that we've caught them like we've been fishing for 15 minutes We've caught like almost 10 fish Like this is just unbelievable. And then I just catch the bass that I broke off. What a way to catch one Dude, that's wild. Give me some on that one Oh gosh That's a good one Unless I have them on the side Oh, I got two I got freaking two dude I got two fish Oh my gosh, look at that Dude that is Yo, that's the first time I've done that in like a long time, bro That's probably in like five years. We got to get a thumbnail of this, bro Well guys, I would have never thought I would have came out today and caught two fish on one lure Like I knew some crazy things could have happened today, but this was not in mind What in the world they're both there are two keepers too. They're not big but I mean two fish on a jerk bait That's wild like I've done that before this isn't the first time it's happened I've done it with spotted bass never done it with large mouth, which is really cool But little fat guys that's a keeper This one I believe yeah, he's right on 12. This would be a keeper too. Imagine doing that in a tournament That'd be so freaking cool Taking care of business Freaking insane catching multiple fish on one lure never would have thought I was about to say dude, this fish feels huge and all of a sudden I noticed that there was two on that was crazy I just don't see that this bait can go by a fish's nose right now and then not eat it. Uh-oh Dude, that's a monster Cody monster I can't even move them Oh my this might be my PB Oh my gosh, it's 10 pounder bro. It's a 10 pounder Cody. Oh my gosh, dude, that might be bigger Holy it's 10 pounder Oh My gosh How big is that? Is that a 10? My shoe is soaked. I stepped right in the water to get this sucker. He was barely hooked. It has been a tough day But I guess the pan down That is a freaking tank I just know the camera's not doing the justice right now Let's get her back in the water. You got to keep these fish healthy But we're gonna actually release her on this other side of the bank Go down here. We can get by the water. Yeah, this is always a blessing just getting out to go fishing and You go out and you hook one like that. It just feels so good. That's the biggest fish I've held in two years We've caught some massive fish. I hate it. I hate that. We don't have a scale. Look at that tail.   Oh my gosh After the morning that we've had It has been so brutally tough But we kept our heads down, didn't we? Yeah, it's been tough.  That's sweet. Oh gosh