Yes, and we are back with some more wine in the morning as promised. My name is Barry Moses, or it's my name is Social Media Platform. And today is a special day for guys who are interested in cars, car dealership, car rejuvenation, car fixing, and everything about cars. Because the question on our Facebook is, do you think a car is important as at now, or it's an unnecessary expenditure? So head straight to our Facebook and tell us what you think about this particular story. As we talked to these two young gentlemen who graduated and found a passion in cars, Garibosa. Alright, so you'll introduce yourself. Maybe Trinna Zanzana, your camera is number four as we produce. Okay, thank you very much. Thank you for having me, having us out of speed key services. I am Dennis Eshure, and I'm the technician at that company. And we are working at our best to serve you and make your car great. Thank you very much. Your head of technical services? Technical services. You're pretty good at marketing as well. Alright, you can introduce yourself, but I'm former schoolboy. My name is Elijah Modito. We own the company with him. I'm an entrepreneur, so I was him. So we have been into this business with him, and we are pretty doing well. Alright, so auto... Auto speed. Auto speed, key services. Auto speed, key services. Alright, so if we can date back to 20 years ago, this particular line of business didn't exist. Yes. How did you find your vision of this? When we started, for example, we were in the same business. For example, me personally, I was having a car wash in the same location with him. So like for us, during the night hours, we could lose the keys to our customers. Now we could find it very, very hard to find the key or duplicate the key for the customer to have his car back. So it was usually a big problem for us. So now that is where the common interest came for both of us. Alright, so it came out of losing keys. Customers are losing keys. Sometimes you as a service provider, you lose the keys belonging to your customers. So this is a problem that recurred from time to time. So you figured, let's find a solution to this. Wonderful. Alright, so for every problem there's a business opportunity, we keep confirming this every single Tuesday. Alright, what happened next after you guys realized, okay, we can make this into a business?  That's true. And you find that customers are willing to buy your products out there or service. But until you shape those last service or a product to meet their needs or desires, that's when you create some good revenues. So that's when we decided, since this is an idea and we have seen it with ourselves that we are losing keys and we don't have where to be able to go to ask, maybe like to look at a key is very expensive. Some cars are very expensive. So we decided, let's do some marketing research and understand this niche. This is a new niche. I've never done it myself. He has never done it himself. Only that he was a native guy. So some of the technical work, he had some clue. So that's how we decided to go and research about it. And we found a guy who is like a mentor to the business. And he has been doing as great things because he has helped us in one way or the other to be able to get into the market much easier than it would have taken us to review maybe those YouTube videos. All right. So you have a mentor. So a mentor really came through for you guys and market research also really came through for you guys. But maybe toward something. He never really came through as people think that mentors are just there waiting for people to maybe like to mentor people. How it was, this guy persisted day and day for almost like a week showing someone else's office and trying to show him that I have interest in this field. On the seventh day he asked him, I've seen your persistence and maybe it may help you. But I don't assure you that I will be like 100% into you. So you are the one who is going to be making some commitment. If I maybe have a job to go to do in Nyeri, you have to follow me. I don't care which means you're going to use, just follow me. And that's how he was able to follow up and be able to learn one or two things which have greatly impacted on our business. Wonderful. So persistence, persistence, persistence. All right. During this process that you're persisting in going to see this guy that is your potential mentor right there. What is running through your mind? Did you feel like giving up on the third day? At first I saw that the business was very, very much easy because he was making a lot of money. Because he could come and charge you, for example, if you have a Mercedes, he will charge you 20,000. Do you duplicate your key? What do you make your key? Yes, a key. And how long was it taken to do this? Almost 30 minutes. So it's never about the time spent in doing the work. It's about what is done. Yes, and how you do it. Yes, because I can come and mess up your car in that 20 minutes and that car can stall. Forever. Yeah. So we'll have to import some things, some parts for your car. All right. So these are some of the risks you run when opening up the programs in somebody's car and trying to close them back as you fix a car. Yes. Now you see there are components in the car where the car, if I can take a Toyota Smart, which if I can take premium, for example, 2010 model, for that, most of them, they have the push to start, the keyless entry key. So for that, the key usually communicates with some receiver. The receiver usually communicates with it. That's why when you enter into the car, you can start it without even putting the key there. So it communicates wirelessly. All right. The moment you have that chip in your pockets. Yes. When you have it in your pocket. The moment you spark the doors. Yes. Even you can see it usually has the keyless entry. It senses the key. There is a receiver that is input. It is most, you can say at the boot or at where the front row. So as we progress, as we proceed, we are going to be seeing more and more technology in cars. Yes. Cars are going to be more and more automated. Is this good business for you guys that cars are getting more and more automated? Well, I can say it's going to be great goes. You see, once they are automated, it means once you lose your key, my brother, you're going to struggle. You're not a nice person. You're not a good person. You see, there's always an opportunity. And even if they improve the circuit systems, you see, for you to lose, sometimes it's unfortunate that you lose your key. I mean, maybe you can go clubbing and stalling. Sometimes it can break. So you will have to get somebody who is good at it and you will have to charge some good money for the service. So in one way or the other, it's good for the business. All right. Another problem that we deal with as a country is counterfeit. So there's a lot of counterfeit going on from counterfeit goods to counterfeit software to counterfeit everything. All right. So how do you deal with such cases or such incidences? Because I'm guessing you get your goods from somewhere, you get your chips from somewhere, your raw materials from somewhere. How do you deal with the issue of counterfeit, which is affecting this country? For us, when we use a key that is not original, you will find that it will work maybe a month, then it will die completely. Or even sinking it with your car, it cannot. So that's how we usually detect. And that is why when we charge our customers, they usually think that we are very expensive, but they do not know that the quality of the keys that we have are usually very, very high and that we get them from dealers who supply us with the keys. So it is usually 100%. For example, for Toyota, if you want to know if your key is 100% original, when the battery dies, you cannot open the door, but you'll have to use the mechanical key to open. But now for the push to start, you'll just put the key closer to the button and now it will come on. It will now turn on. All right. He uses some form of waves. Yes. All right. So there is a picture on screen right there. That's a Ford that we are looking at. And we have two keys. We have two pieces of things. All right. So what is going on there? For this example, this is a Ford Ranger whereby this customer wanted a duplicate key. Now he did not come to us. He told me he went to someone I cannot remember specifically where, but now he could not be able to program the remote for central locking to open and lock the doors. But he has a key that can light the car. So for him, I told him we can do the central locking for you. So I did that. That's his original key. And we gave him a remote for opening to put to the other key. He had already a duplicate key. So this is for the duplicate key. Now, because now for him, the door had an issue. So he could not open manually. All right. So everything was all right except the center? The central locking. The central locking. Central locking. All right. So you just opened up and programmed the central locking right? Yes. And then closed it up nicely and gave it back to you. Yes. So what is basically there is a tablet, a programming device that does that. There is nothing that we usually open up. Yes. So maybe a case for where you lose your car key. That is where they are components that we usually remove and put it in machines. That process we usually call bench working. Yes. That is where we cannot work inside your car. I must remove and come and do it maybe in the office. All right. So there are some things you have to do at the office and things you can do on location. Like this is a good example. For this, this is a legacy before. For Subaru, it is pretty difficult to add a spare key. You must remove a smart box. A box that is called smart box that contains the data for the key. So when you remove the data. It's like the black box in your plate. Yes. So when you remove it, you access the data. The data is in a small chip. We call the EEPROM. All right. Yes. So you add the key now at the EEPROM. Now you come and put it in the car. Now first of all, you must be very careful. Because if these things usually, I can say they usually short. So if you do not place it where it is supposed to be, it will get damaged. All these things you know about cars, all these automation that is going on. When it comes to the mechanics, people will rush to take it to a traditional mechanic who maybe does not understand the software side of it. Would you advise somebody in this day and age to take his or a car to a mechanic who doesn't understand the software side of cars? Well, I would say no. Because nowadays you find that there are so many tools or gadgets that we are able to do what you call car diagnosis. You diagnose the car, you get a report. So once you are going to make, who maybe doesn't understand the software, he might know the codes or the interpreted codes from your car. So you don't have to womanize everything, trying to look here, there. So you have software for diagnostics. It's not like the old days where you open everything to try to find something that is a mess. Another thing I'd like to know, apart from key cutting, what is another thing that you guys are interested in or do or another service that you offer to car owners of them? Most of the time, recently we have imported, but it is just a service that is related to what we do. Because now when you diverse or when you go outside what you do, at times you are not focused. So like for us, we say first of all, let us stick to key programming and key cutting and other services we will do just a small, small... As you go into the business. This time that we call, I think we call Pareto role, that is 80-20. This guy said, you will find that 20% of your main activities generate 80% of your income. Therefore, our main focus was key programming, key cutting. Key programming is for the keyless, the push button. The key cutting is the one with the blade, so you cut. You have to cut those in the nose. This is something you sell to? Yes. So those are two services. Then you find that these what we call smart boxes, some cars maybe out of usage, sometimes you find that those smart boxes are failed. We do source them and sell them to customers. Also, alums and cutouts, we do install them. Those are just what we call extras. But the main business, I'm at the main focus. Electronics of the car. You mainly deal with it. For me to program a key to cut a key, it's much easier and it will generate more income unlike maybe installing over alums. Another challenge that young people are facing in this country is trust. The older generation doesn't trust us so much. Even how fellow youths don't trust us as much. It's very easy to trust an older person in the game than a younger person in the game. Is this a challenge you face? Yes, very much. Because now when someone brings a cut to us, he or she tends to look at what you're doing. So now you find that he or she is giving you pressure that is unnecessary to what you're doing. Now after you are done, that's how he realizes he says, wow, this is possible. I should have doubted this. Although sometimes you find that this trust issue comes from maybe location. Like while we are studying in Kasarani, you find that you get a client who is maybe from Gongrod and he's saying, why is Kasarani? Like, I can't come there. You see, so in one way or the other, I have to prove beyond doubt this customer is a safe place or I can do a mobile service to this customer where I have to repackage some of the machines, head to his destination, because you also find that this customer, maybe his work schedule is so tight so he can't afford some good time to come to Kasarani and he will not trust you to send his car without him being there to your location. So it's you to repackage yourself to his destination so he can trust what you're doing while he's there. So you've learned a lot from the business. This is a partnership, but you are running a sole proprietorship. What are some of the advantages that have come with you guys' partnering as we wrap this up? Give us some to and then some to from you. For us, through partnership, we are able to reduce time that I'm spending maybe on learning a certain issue in comparing that I was alone. You need to learn everything. So I'm able to tell him, let me concentrate on marketing and sales. For you, the tech part. All right, tell us an advantage that has come with it. An advantage is when you're incurring losses, you're not alone. Thank you very much. We'll end it on that. Losses are shared, not just the profit which has shared losses. How can we get you guys on social media and your physical location? Just look them straight into the eyes right there. Hi guys, we are at Kasarani, near Power Station Market. That's where we have an office. You can find us on Facebook. That is Autospeed Key Services. Both on IG and Facebook. Thank you very much. Another thing you'd like to add? I can say that we are mobile. We can come to your location. Thank you very much. Did you give them a phone number? No, I did not give them a phone number. Just give them the business phone number. Okay. You can do that. Our phone number is 0729-765670. Alright. Maybe a parting shot to the young entrepreneurs out there. We'll tell them that do your best. The opportunities are there. Kitambo used to say that funds are not available, but we have ideas and funds, but we don't sustain those businesses. So, work on your marketing and sales strategy. Then everything will be there for you. We sure very good that I can tell. Thank you very much, guys, for coming through. And thank you very much for the opportunities you're creating for the youth as well. I'm pretty sure very soon you're going to be employing a number of us. Alright. We have come to the end of this entrepreneurship Tuesday on Why In The Morning. And my name is By Mosses, or It's By Money. Every social media platform tomorrow is another day for Why In The Morning. And tomorrow is Queens Wednesday. Tomorrow we celebrate the Queens. You don't want to miss it. Don't go nowhere. Don't type that down because there's a lot lined up for you for the rest of the day as well.


OTAN, Outreach and Technical Assistance Network. Please introduce yourself and include, if you know, or if you have some idea, what you would like to take away from this session. Also, you'll notice on this screen, in addition to my name and my location, is my email address. And if you wanna get in contact with me, it'd be useful for you to have that. And I welcome your emailing me. And then at the bottom and notice it's in red is a URL, a Bitly URL for the slides that I'm going to be showing today. So if you want the slides, you might wanna take note of that now. I'll also have a slide at the end that has the same information. So let's start with some introductions. This is a little bit about me. I have been an independent consultant since 2003. Before that, I was at the University of Massachusetts in Boston as the director of its Adult Literacy Resource Institute. And since 2003, I've done a lot of consulting, advising, a lot of professional development, working with world education, particularly the ed tech center there, the past three, I think three years, maybe four at this point, with the Illinois Digital Learning Lab, which I'm very pleased to say just won an award from COAPE for it's being an innovative technology model. I've done some work with pro literacy and I'm also currently a board member of pro literacy. Some of you may have seen my involvement with Lynx, the US Department of Education Literacy Information Communication System as the moderator of two groups, the Integrating Technology Group and also Program Management Group. And I've been an advisor to several universities. I'm still an advisor to the University of Memphis. And I've been a co-author recently with two online guides to blended learning, one with GenVanic published by Pro Literacy and one with Carmen Stewart published by Essential Education. So that's enough about me. I really am hoping that you will be an active participant in the chat during the session and to start by introducing yourself and please do say a little bit about what you're hoping to get from this session. I'm not promising that you will, but I'm curious to know, and if we can, I'll try to address that. So I'll give you a second to do that. And then I'm going to do something which I have never done before. And by the way, I should say this whole presentation is very unusual for me. I'm usually much more hands-on, lots of visuals to show you. This really is, think of this as an oral presentation with me talking, because that's mostly what it's going to be. At the end, the last, I don't know, maybe dozen or so slides are links to particular tools by category of how you might want to use them for greater engagement with students. This is the first time out for this presentation. And so I'm very, I already realized that there are lots of things that I would add the next time that I do this based on what I've been learning the past couple of days, three days really, including today, at the OTAN, some fabulous presentations around flex learning and lots of parts of those presentations really are about how to engage students, particularly in the two of the three flex modes. But what I'm going to do right now is just take five minutes, no more than that. And I want to look at the future. I'll come back to the present after this, but I think where we're going here is really a very interesting new technology world. You've probably heard of it, if not, it's called the metaverse. I understand that Facebook is changing its name to meta, honoring its future in the metaverse, but that's not the only one. We've had several models already that have approached the metaverse. And essentially what this is, is a highly, highly engaging online opportunity. However it's delivered, we'll see how it's delivered. And if adult ed begins to embrace the metaverse, we have the opportunity for high engagement in content, collaboration, communication, creativity, maybe critical thinking, and confidence building. And notice I did say if, we'll have to see. Also, I think that the metaverse has an opportunity for great engagement activity. I think it could be very relevant. I think it would allow teachers to really customize their learning for their students in new ways. I think it's certainly social. We have no doubt that that's going to happen. Joyful is a possibility. Flexible, we are moving toward great flexibility. Those of you who are involved with flex learning, high flex or blend flex, know that that's already creating great flexibility. But I think the next step in that is going to be the metaverse. Multimodal of course, I mentioned flex learning, which has three modes. We'll talk about that in just a minute. But it may be even more modes than that. We'll see. There might be opportunity for simulations and learning games right in that environment. And I think it offers us a potential opportunity to take really full advantage of digital technology. I also want to mention that depending again on how the metaverse or versus are designed, it opens up really new and fabulous opportunities for universal design and adaptive technology, which makes it much easier for people with disabilities, including reading disabilities. So that was the future. I'm not going to go back to that unless you have some questions about that. We might be able to have some time at the end to go back to that and see what your thoughts are about that. Mostly I mentioned it because you are all involved in technology. You all care deeply about technology. You may have already been delving deeply into the future of the metaverse, but maybe not. And if not, just to raise your level of attention to that word and those environments and the potential for us in adult foundational education. By the way, that's the term I use for our field these days, not adult education, which is too broad includes higher ed. I'm looking for a term that really distinguishes us from higher ed, even though adult foundational education is offered by community colleges. And so in a way as part of higher ed, but it's not part of credit bearing higher ed. So what are we going to do in this session? The goal is, and this would be particularly for those of you who are teachers, the goal or incidentally, when you share this, if you are not currently in the classroom, but work with teachers who are in the classroom, the goal is really to help teachers think about the challenges that they face in engaging learners. And especially in the online or hybrid environment and the different ways that there might be to look at those challenges. As you know, the slides are all going to be available. So you don't have to capture slides or anything like that. One thing you might wanna do, and you can do this digitally or you can do this on paper, is just jot down a term or a question mark about something that I've said, something basically that you wanna know more about. It's really for you, not for me. It's so, okay, when I'm back at work, not in the TDLS, what do I wanna explore further? What do I wanna learn more about? So, oh, my slide has clicked to add subtitle. How interesting. Talk about some definitions. Ignore that. You'll see that probably on several of the slides because I'm not doing the presenter view because I wanna see the chat. So let's talk about some definitions. And some of you may not agree with these, but this is the way I'm looking at the world these days. Remote distance education or distance learning. Pure distance education is entirely remote, not in-person. That's pure. There are variations on that mostly remote, for example. You're mostly familiar with that, I think. Hybrid models is very simple. It's a combination of in-person and online teaching and learning. And that covers a big universe. Within hybrid, this is not synonymous with, it's actually a subset of hybrid or blended models. So what's the difference if it's a hybrid model? It's a hybrid model where what happens online and what happens in-person are highly, tightly integrated. And that's really important. And when I use the term blended learning, that's what I mean. Not just that there are two components, but they are very well integrated. So let's talk about flex models just for a second. I mean, there've been a lot of great presentations at this conference symposium about flex models. And there's lots to be learned about this. It's relatively new to our field. By the way, it's about a decade old. It was developed at San Francisco State by Brian Beattie and his graduate students. The term high flex, hybrid, flexible was coined by them. And they have done a great deal of work on this. So that's it. If this is new to you, Brian Beattie, B-E-A-T-T-Y, you might wanna read his book, it's free online, just Google, high flex and his name and it'll pop right up for you. But you may have already read it or may already know about it. So what is high flex? And by the way, blend flex is another term. Blend flex is a kind of high flex model. It's a little more restrictive. High flex, it offers the most amount of flexibility. Some of the community colleges around the country are using blend flex to make that distinction. So a high flex or one flex learning model is a blended learning model highly integrated and it usually has three modes. Now, I'm noticing that many of the programs in California that describe themselves as high flex have only two of the three modes. And they are of course in-person, traditional in-person, synchronous online, what some people refer to as the Zoom students or the Zoomers. I like that a lot. And by the way, I learned at the last session I attended the rumors and the Zoomers. I'm gonna use that from now on. Great session done by the San Diego Community Education, maybe collaborative. I'm not sure what the full name is, but it was a great session and that's what they call students who are online or the Zoomers and of course the people who are in the room in the classroom are the rumors. And then the third component, which some programs in California have, but not all and some programs outside of California have, but not all is the asynchronous online. That is a mode that allows you, if you want to do everything online, which is really a pure distance learning mode, but more often allows you to choose to do more than one mode if you wish or to do mostly one mode or to change modes. And that's really, by the way, a very important part of the high flex, the original high flex model as BD describes it, which is the opportunity for students to make the decision about which of the three modes they're going to participate in on a day-by-day basis. Now, not everybody does that. And so that's the strict definition. There are definitions that take off from that in a variety of ways, including blend flexes I mentioned. Okay, so we're going to focus on engagement. And what are the teacher's challenges to engagement? Well, all of these models have presented challenges to teachers in using the technology and coordinating the modes, the in-person online and in engaging students. We're not going to talk about all those problems. We're only going to talk in this session about ideas for engagement. So let me ask you, from what you know, as a teacher or as someone who worked with teachers, why is engagement a problem for teachers? And particularly why is it a problem for teachers who are teaching students online? I'll give you a few minutes to do that in the chat please. Okay, no one size fits all. That's certainly absolutely right. I'm not sure I understand what no students equals no class. Say a little bit more about that in school. David, it's Peg. I just unmuted myself and I put that comment in. So I wasn't quite sure how to understand this question, but I was taking it as in, if students aren't engaged, they're not attending. If they're not attending, there is no class. Now, it's a whole different take about the idea of teachers engaging students and the barriers and problems that come with that. Okay, great. Thank you, that makes it much clearer. Tech setup, absolutely. Technology is a big challenge. People talk about that all the time. Ah, and Mary mentions that if students don't engage, how do we know if they're even there? And if they're there, how do we know what they're learning? Yeah, absolutely, I hear about that all the time. More difficult to encourage participation and interaction between the in-person group and the online group, I assume those are the two groups you mean. Keeping students engaged, tech problems, yep. Engagement means retention. Aha, good point, Mary. If students are not engaged, maybe they don't last. Maybe they drop out. Demand to get through the content and engagement sometimes requires out-of-the-box thinking to tailor to the needs of your students. Good point, Dana. Communication challenges, face-to-face versus camera versus no camera, absolutely. There are good solutions to those and actually some of those solutions I heard from presentations, flex model presentations that I attended the past few days. The more we know about that, the more we share those ideas, the more we document those ideas so other teachers who are struggling with those problems, the better, good point. Dominique says, I end up spending time helping someone, deal with tech, right? And leaving other students sitting in the conference without the instruction, yep. It's hard to keep everyone engaged when I'm troubleshooting. Yeah, that's a big problem, particularly if you're teaching in a classroom without any help in the classroom. Some flex models, the San Diego model I mentioned has somebody else helping in the classroom. Another interesting model is finding out which of your students really are already fairly sophisticated in using technology and pairing them with students who need help. They can't always do that, but sometimes you can. How to keep them engaged when you can't see them or if they have the mic off, absolutely. And I actually, I'll talk about that a little bit, some strategies for dealing with that. Been requiring partner work for my LTIS students to help with engagement. And students want to be taught even if it's online, otherwise they drop the class. Huh, that's interesting, okay. Well, maybe that's the case. Maybe not, maybe there's some other things that can be done. There is a widespread belief that asynchronous learning is not engaging. And I'd like to challenge that. I think in combination with synchronous, it's much better. But there are ways of having an asynchronous class be highly engaging. Just a suggestion, Dominic has, suggests. My student in Modesto took it upon, or students took it upon themselves to work together once a week. They started at Starbucks and our coordinator opened our closed classroom for them to meet once a week, brilliant, wonderful. That's the kind of flexibility that really helps to meet students' needs. Well, thank you, those are all very helpful. You have a good sense, you have your finger on the pulse of many of the problems and certainly many of the most critical problems. So let's jump ahead then. What does it mean to be engaged? What does it mean from a teacher perspective to engage learners? Well, let's see. First of all, fairly obvious, getting learners interested and getting them interested could be getting them interested in a particular topic and idea and innovation and event, project, whatever it is. But also another aspect of getting students engaged is just literally getting their attention. And that can be very challenging for the Zoomers who have turned off their video and turned off their microphones. How do you get them engaged? And I'll talk about this just a little bit more, but basically it's not when they are disengaged, it's what you have to do well before that to make sure they don't disengage. And that isn't always possible, I know. A lot of people who are Zooming in have background, things going on in the background that are noisy or disruptive in other ways and they really feel obliged to turn off their microphones and maybe to turn off their video that may be the only way that they can stay engaged. But here's the thought, even though you can't see them or hear them, maybe they are engaged. So that's something to think about. Are some of those people who you can't see or hear still engaged? And what are some of the ways that you might know if they're engaged? Well, getting learners involved in discussion is always engaging. And by the way, you've been engaged here and we've been engaging each other just using the chat. You could do that with the Zoom chat, you could do that with other kinds of asynchronous discussion or synchronous discussion tools. In one of the slides that you'll see at the end of this, talk about that a little bit. There are learners who some people have described as introverts and this is true. I mean, there are people who don't participate in class, in person, they just don't participate. They are introverts and sometimes interestingly, they will participate if they're Zoomers or if they're doing things asynchronously, particularly asynchronously. If you have an asynchronous model that involves synchronous chat or asynchronous chat, sometimes you'll discover, oh, that person never talked in class, but look, she's talking with me all the time. What's going on here? Well, that's a characteristic of introverts. It may be that in an in-person environment, they don't interact, but they do in an asynchronous or online environment, something to keep in mind. If this is something that's of interest to you, there's a woman named Susan Kane who did a TED talk about this and I think she has a website called Quiet Revolution. That might be something that you wanna explore. And one of the things that might be useful is engaging students in what, I'm sorry, in what some people call productive struggle. So what is productive struggle? Actually, I'm going to skip that. I'll come back to that later. I just noticed that the clock is moving along and that will take us more time, but I will try to get back to it. Okay, other things. Think about as a teacher, how you can help students meet their needs. And one of the things that I think is particularly useful is tapping into their existing motivation. So that's a really interesting challenge. How do you know what they are motivated to do? And you might be able to find that more easily in the in-person classroom or in the synchronous online, but you might also be able to find that entirely easily with the asynchronous. It could be an assignment. It could be an assignment which is highly motivating because of the questions that you ask. You don't say what is your motivation, obviously, but you're trying to get at that by a series of questions. Maybe you don't ask those questions all at once. Maybe you ask them each time that you interact with them online. Asynchronously. Psychologists talk about three highly important aspects, particularly of young adults, but I think this applies to adults. And they have to do with identity, power and connectedness. So identity, pretty obvious, who they are, how they are becoming the person that they want to be or for a person who is changing who they are in any number of ways, how they are engaged in their new identity or becoming the person that they want to become. Obviously, that is highly motivating. And this extent to which you know about this, learn about that from them, the greater you are going to be able to find out and really link with them. I'll give you an example from my own experience. When I was a high school teacher many years ago, I had an 11th grade class and on the first day of class, I noticed to the back of the class, there were two young women wearing identical motorcycle jackets. And I had this exercise that I did on the second day of class where every student had to make a collage. By the way, a digital collage might be a very interesting variation on this thing these days. And in making the collage, they had to select pictures. In this case, it was from magazines. It could be from zines or other images on the web that said who they were. So these two girls really had very similar collages and every image was a motorcycle and most of them had a motorcycle rider on them. And so I got the very strong impression that they were very interested in motorcycles and in motorcycle gangs. And I happened to know of a book it was written by a photographer named Danny Lyons called The Outlaws. It was about a motorcycle gang in Chicago. And I actually owned a copy of the book and brought it into class and I gave it to them. This changed our relationship. I was not any longer their English teacher. I was the person who really cared about them, understood them, connected with them. And everything we did in that class they were completely engaged in for the entire year. So tapping into students' motivations is a very important way of getting them engaged. Another way I had mentioned power and connectedness I'll just say a word about that. It's not that people want to become powerful they don't wanna be powerless. They want to have efficacy as some people call it. They want to be able to have the power to do things. They want to have enough money to be able to make a decent living for their family, for their children and other members of their family. So the extent to which you can connect into those needs is very important. And then connectedness. This is really a major and interesting challenge in the flex model environment. How do you get, for example, people who are online and people who are in the room, the rumors and zoomers how do you get them connected? And there are a number of strategies I think for doing that. Some of those actually have been addressed at some of the sessions that I've attended here at TDLS and I hope that they get recorded so that you can see some of those suggestions. So let me ask you, what needs can you help students with including remote students that might engage them? So this is your turn. And let's return to the chat. Let's see what your ideas are. I'll give you a minute to do that. I'm not seeing any comments, but if you want to, I'm gonna go ahead. Oh, I am seeing some now. Okay, good, all right. So CTE or job specific language skills, vocabulation for my English language learners. Absolutely contextualize it. If work is a big interest of your students, use it contextualize it. What a fabulous way to teach English in the context that's really important to the student and often it is work. Great, thanks, Dominique. Using the owl camera and students in class can see the students at home. Absolutely, and the owl is one good solution to that. There are others, there's something called the swivel. There's some more expensive ones and there are inexpensive ways, but the owl is certainly a very good way to do that. By the way, if you haven't heard about that, go online, take a look at images, go to YouTube and take a look at a YouTube video of an owl camera being used in the classroom. This is very, very popular among flex classes. Barbara says, listen, yeah, absolutely. Raya, I hope I'm pronouncing that right, says I teach a level one, so I want them to have some basic tech skills. Inclusiveness and equity, including valuing all students and giving equal opportunities to learn and to participate, great. Paired conversations, excellent. And by the way, those paired conversations could be pairs within the classroom, the rumors, or paired between the zoomers or paired between the rumor, a rumor and a zoomer. And I really like that match because that breaks down the barrier of the two modes. And if you do that regularly, okay, we're gonna pair people. What some people do, if they can, if they have devices in the classroom, if all the students have a device, whether provided by the program or whether it's their own digital device, could be a smartphone, is they have everybody go to the Zoom breakout room. And so everybody is participating in the same mode at the same time, whether they're in the classroom or not. They may not do that for the whole class, they may do that for part of the class. Cooperative groups with Jigsaw, okay, good. We group the component, oops, we group the component for building community. Everybody work together. Excellent. Using Google Docs or Google Forms, our online docs like whiteboard chat, whiteboard.chat, okay, Padlet Jamboard so that students can access before and after class, okay, good. And somebody does that, Ray says he does that regularly and the owl cameras help with the process. Dominique says in Ventures, that's a curriculum that some programs use. There are a lot of partner conversation activities. So she encourages them to meet, call, conference with another student to complete the assignment. Excellent. Our hybrid classes use everyone on Zoom in the room via remote only, okay, good. So you do that. Another thing that some teachers have discovered, particularly I think ESL teachers have discovered is that all of their students use WhatsApp. They use it maybe to communicate with family and friends from their home country or with others. And as you probably know, most if not all ESL learners have smartphones. So that's a great tool and lots of things can be done with that as a tool if the students have them and bring their smartphones to the classroom. Okay, our hybrid classes use everyone on, I'm sorry, use everyone on Zoom in the room via remote only. Okay, excellent, good. Well, thank you. Those are great ideas. And part of the goal here is to engage you in sharing in these ideas. I know I'm doing a lot of the presentation here, but I really appreciate and benefit from, and I think we all benefit from your sharing your ideas about what you do. And we're just using a simple chat facility to do that. Okay, so let's go on to the next slide. What does it mean to engage? Well, many teachers who already discovered this and do that and just mentioning it make something attractive to your students that you know they need to learn. So you make it attractive in any number of ways. You may use humor, you may use video, you may use illustrations, you may if you're doing a demonstration in the classroom and also your Zoomers can see you, you may act it out, you may act it out dramatically. And it may be something that is boring. I've seen, for example, I've seen people use comic, in fact, free online comic developing tools to really engage students in grammar. And where students get very excited about grammar, an essential thing people have to learn, but not always something that is engaging. I've actually seen some examples of engaging grammar lessons doing that. Some students, most of your students who, for example, have gone through secondary education and have not been successful to be engaged, really have to learn some new ways to learn. And you may be able to teach them. I'm talking about what typically is called study skills. You might be able to check in with them, make sure that they have those skills, that they don't have those skills, teach them directly, teach them how to take notes for example, and other study skills. And then teach students skills that they can use immediately. Okay, I have a couple of things that I just wanna mention before we take a look at some of the slides that have resources, and we do have some time. So, I'd mentioned a couple of things earlier, I will come back to. I think I'll come back to them after we've just taken a quick look at some of the slides. Here's the link to these slides if you wanna copy of these. This is the Bitly link, that's easier. Just click on that. I'm not gonna go through all these resources, but I just want you to notice what kinds of resources I'm highlighting that I think are tools for engaging students. So, let me, actually I will click on this one. Oh, in this mode, I can't click on it, right. How do I wanna do this? I will click, I will come back to this. You can probably, if you have a copy of the slides you can actually click on this. If you do it in presenter mode, in presentation mode. But I'll tell you what this is. The first one, the ways to transfer good in-person class practices are a number of ways to transfer things that people have already learned over the years that are highly engaging and how to do that remotely. The second one is very specific to WhatsApp and several ESL colleagues of mine helped me put together this document of what translates from good online practices into WhatsApp practices. So if you're involved in teaching ESL that might be a particular interest. The other includes I think some ESL practices but not necessarily exclusively. Assessing online student engagement. I am going to further develop this, but at the moment, I have one resource that I'd like to suggest you look at. It's very simple, very easy to use. It was developed by an ESL teacher in Illinois, Aaron Febornik. And it's just a simple one page Google, I think it's a Google form. And by the way, I have permission to share that with you from Aaron. Flippity, Flippity is a fabulous tool, very engaging. Those may, maybe many of you already use this. My colleague, Susan Finn Miller from Pennsylvania who is the moderator of the links English language learning group posted this message about Flippity and how she actually uses it in her ESL teaching. If you don't know about Flippity, I urge you to take a look at that.  These are, this is just a very short list of tools for people who are looking where to start really. Most of these, if not all of them are free or have free entry level versions. And I can tell you, well, first of all, several of them are very widely used Flipgrid. Flipgrid is a free tool that allows students to make short videos, one minute videos and they can be highly interactive. If those videos that the students have made and are presenting online are part of a larger lesson in which people are asked to ask questions about the videos. Powtoon, I was thinking actually of Powtoon earlier when I was talking about the teacher who teaches grammar using an animation program. And so here's the link to that, a cartoon video. Polling tools, these are ones that you probably already know and they're not the only ones, but these are two of the most widely used ones. Poll everywhere and Mentimeter. Of course Zoom has a built, I think Zoom has a built-in polling tool, depending on your version of Zoom maybe. I hear a couple of text chatting tools. I've mentioned that you can do things highly interactively using a chat, the Zoom chat that we're using right now. But there's also another one called back channel chat. It's very widely used in K through 12, not so widely used in adult foundational education, but I've used it and I think it's very helpful. So that's something you might be interested in. Online content organizing tools. Of course, if you have an LMS, you might wanna use that, but if not, Wakelet is a good possibility, Pinterest, both free digital assessment tools. Well, there are two categories here. The first, actually the first one listed is a way to assess digital literacy skills. It's probably the most widely used one at least in the United States, probably North America and in several other countries. North Star Digital Literacy Assessment. There is a free version. If you want training and how to use it, if you want to provide certificates to students who attain the skills, then there is a modest proprietary model that allows you to do that. And then the others are all free. And those really are, when I say assessment, these are really content assessment tools. Threaded discussion platforms. I've talked about the possibility of asynchronous discussion. If several of your students or most of your students are asynchronous online, you could set up a Google group. I have not explored this, but this is an alternative to Google groups which claims to be better than Google groups and is also free. It's called gaggle mail and then there's moot. Some people use moot, also free, at least last time I looked. And then there, I'm not gonna go through this, but there are lots of different kinds of what I have found, and in some cases myself and what teachers have told me, they have found to be engaging for specific kinds of content. This slide is adult secondary education actually high school equivalency prep, primarily in the first three. Engaging online content for ESL. Here are some, and again, you may already know about all these, but you may not. These are the ones that teachers tell me about the most. USA learns, we speak New York, we are New York. Those are all free. And then a couple of proprietary ones, NGen is one. Probably Burlington English should be on this list. And Game Store in English. And then if you're interested in pursuing this further, I've put together a whole long list of free and proprietary ESL, ESOL curricula on a document that I've been maintaining for about a decade called the Literacy List. And I keep that particular page updated. More online content for reading, writing, numeracy. These are just, again, content that is very widely used and that teachers find helpful. And here are a couple of cell phone apps. There are more of these, you will recognize as being XPRIZE apps. The contest that was held over several years and awarded very large prizes for apps that could demonstrate that they were successful in helping students learn. Two of those learning upgrade and sell ed, there are at least six more that made it to the last category. These were award-winning ones. And then, and I'm almost done, a last thought. And this is something actually I wrote about in an article that I, it's actually a column that I write for the Adult Literacy Education Journal on technology. And it's called Technology Solutions. It starts, every column starts with a problem, an education problem of some kind. Usually one that is a fairly widespread problem. And then the column is about a full or very often partial solution, the problem involving a set of tools, technology tools. And in that, one of the articles in the column, I argued that engaging and effective teaching, whether it's classes, tutorials, whether it's a curriculum or a whole program, whether it's in person or online, is best built from an understanding of students' needs and goals and from teacher's knowledge about what is effective and addressing. So I'm gonna stop there and we do have a few minutes for specific questions. And I haven't been tracking the questions. Debbie, I don't know if that's something you've been tracking. If so, please tell me and I'll see if I can answer them. Or if somebody would like to be un-muted, we can do that. David, there haven't been so many questions as just responses to what you've asked. So maybe now they could ask their questions. Okay, great. David, I have a question and it's related to your last slide. I really enjoyed your discussion with Anthony Burrick of OTAN about goal setting when you were on the links discussion board. Will you talk a little bit about the importance of goal setting? Oh, yes, I will. And by the way, those of you in California have a terrific resource in your neighborhood since he works for OTAN. But I discovered that through, I guess through something I saw on a webinar that Anthony did, that he was onto something very important, which is some tools that might help teachers track and support students not only in the first part of this, which is what you said, which is goal setting, very important. And by the way, you don't start by saying what are your goals or what are your objectives? Those are not terms that are widely understood or even if understood, appreciated. There are other ways to get at that. But once you do have a pretty clear idea and I have to laugh when I think about this, how many of my ESL colleagues discovered that if you ask your students what they wanna learn, they always say English. And very often, particularly with beginners, true beginners, high beginners, low intermediate students, they haven't really thought or maybe they have thought, but they haven't articulated to themselves what those needs are. They haven't been able to break that down. And that can sometimes be the challenge of goal setting. But Anthony identified some tools that are particularly helpful in allowing a teacher to track those goals and support and encourage learners in doing that. And it is, if you Google ALE Journal, Adult Literacy Education Journal, maybe you need to Google the whole thing out. It will take you to the webpage that lists all of the issues of the journal. It's all published online, free. You can read every issue if you like. And every issue has a technology solutions column. And maybe once you get to that site, you can just search using Anthony's last name, Burek, B-U-R-I-C-K, I think, C-K, is that right? Anybody know? I think it's just K. Just K, okay. Yeah, it's B-U-R-I-K. Just K, B-U-R-I-K. He's also our current California teachers of English because of other language precedent. Ah, excellent. We have a double advantage. Thank you. Okay, yeah. Speaking of that, I wanna call something to your attention that frankly, I just learned about. I've known about the project. There is a project that was funded by the U.S. Department of Education, Adult Ed, about what is generally known as nudging. And there are projects that have been doing this in research projects in higher education, for example, where students are, the word nudge is kind of unfortunate. And in fact, this particular project doesn't even use the word nudge, but it's in that generic area. The idea is if you know what students are trying to do and you gently nudge them, remind them of what they have committed to do, they will first of all appreciate it and secondly, be more likely to move toward accomplishing it. And there has been this Department of Education funded project to APT, ABT, and they have produced a very interesting article, I'm sorry, a very interesting publication just recently in December about technology-based and they don't call it nudging, they call it coaching. And if I can, while we're here, I will put that in the chat. And if I can't find it, you have my email address and you've been emailing me, I'll be glad to send you a link to it. And it's a systematic process specifically for adult foundational educators. The term that I used to describe our field to distinguish it from higher ed. So that might be another useful way to track and help students to accomplish their goals. Okay. There's a question. Is there a study about the relationship between hybrid delivery and student engagement, persistence and test gains? That's a great question. And the answer is yes and no. There is a, they're actually, there's one, what I would describe as one particularly useful study about hybrid delivery and persistence and test gains. Actually, it's not persistence, it's test gains. And this was done, was done and is being done as far as I know in Texas. The Texas Workforce Commission, which is the state agency for adult education in Texas asked its, I think it's professional development group that's the acronym is Teams, T-E-A-M-S and they put together a really good model. They, of course, they have the data on every funded program. So they have the outcomes data, the pre-post, the NRS level gains. But what they did is they categorized it in three categories, distance learning, in-person learning and hybrid learning. And they now, they may have refined that. I don't know if they break that down further into flex models of hybrid, but at least they have hybrid. And they've been doing this for, I think a decade, at least a decade, every year. And every year the data comes out very similar. So when I first heard that, I tried to guess what the outcomes would be. Well, I thought in-person learning would have the best outcomes and that's not the case. And it's certainly not, unfortunately, the case for distance learning. It is hybrid learning. So here is evidence in one very large state for all the programs in that state that on average, learners do better in hybrid learning models. Now, we don't really know anything from research about flex models at this point. There have not been any flex models in our field. And I only saw one research model on flex-delivered mathematics when I last looked. Maybe there will be now because it's catching on. I certainly hope so. And I'm encouraging programs. In fact, I encourage some of the programs that we're presenting here at the symposium to track that and to report that. And maybe it's something that causes, I think causes is quite interested in this question. Maybe it is something that they will be able to help with. I don't know the details on that. But do talk with somebody that causes something like that.


Hey guys, you're listening to the time of football podcast and we're gonna be joined by a special guest today to recap everything That happened in the 2018 offseason What an amazing offseason so far that has happened and not much is going on right now just because it's post draft period But today's a special day Just so you guys know there's that are listening to this podcast and watching on YouTube as well Time to football the trademark The the whole word the word time to football got trademarked today, so Legally if anyone tries to use time to football I can sue them watch out Yeah, I actually had an whole ordeal took six months to get that trademarked and How to go through the whole trademark process and crazy someone stole my username on Instagram time of football It was just one account that had one post Inactive and I tried reaching out to them. Hey, can you change it? Can you change it? Never change it. So finally today. Yeah, I acquired that username and it feels so good Feels wonderful. Gotta feel good man. Thank you for joining us for this podcast. My name is Assad Khan Like I said nothing much really going on in the offseason right now But we are gonna talk about everything that happened so far and today We are joined by this gentleman that is sitting right across from me and that is Griffin gamble so ladies and gentlemen if you don't know who Griffin is if you keep up with some football You know exactly who he is He was in the Madden tournament and we didn't Put this up on YouTube last year But next year we're gonna have a whole fancy football documentary. Yes based off of our town football league Griffin was actually the champ last year Griffin. Who is on your team? Do you remember? Man, Todd Gurley was was kind of who brought me home. So I have to give a shout out to Todd Dude long awaited Good to be here. Yeah, I'm finally doing it. I know we've both been looking forward to this I've been following you for a while. So I'm excited to chop it up get into the to the weeds of it. Definitely. This is gonna be lots of fun Yeah, to talk about it. What's going on big things that we want to talk about were Quarterbacks on new teams. Yeah, um, what what are some teams that you're looking forward to seeing? play in 2018 New quarterbacks on new teams, which guys are you looking forward to seeing? Yeah, I mean, you know, I think I think the story the offseason was the quarterback the movement, right? And I know we talked offline a little bit and and I think it's my philosophy that It's a quarterback driven league and I think everything is sort of built on these teams Trying to find the guy We see it year after year. They're sort of those teams that are always scraping the bottom of the barrel trying to get the guy in the draft But really, you know, I think this offseason was interesting. Everybody knows Kirk Cousins was available And so that was really kind of the first dominant of fall, right? And it's interesting because there's never a quarterback really in their prime Who's really kind of an upper tier guy that's available, right and who's willing to leave their team And so I think that was kind of I was really excited. I'm a big Kirk Cousins fan And so I was I was excited to see what would happen Surprisingly enough a domino a couple of dominoes fell kind of leading up to the Kirk Cousins, you know moved to Minnesota We obviously saw the trade we saw Alex Smith Head into the Redskins and then we saw a case Canem obviously signing with the Broncos before Kirk decided to go So yeah, man, I mean a lot of movement A lot of things getting shaken up. I'm excited to watch Kirk do his thing in Minnesota I think the expectations are high, right? Yeah, I mean, I really I don't want to put too much pressure on them But I think it's Superbowler bust at some level. I mean, he's walking into an incredible defense He's my team that was in the Superbowl last year a great offense I don't know if you could ask for anything else, right? And I think you know, I was kind of wanting him to go to New York Selfishly just to kind of see the jets get somebody. Yeah, because it's been tough to watch them I kind of pull for the underdogs. I think in the NFL at least so I don't know man It's it's gonna be interesting to watch Kirk. He's got the weapons. So I think that he really kind of You know set the foundation for the other moves. Yeah, so speaking of the domino effect Alex Smith Got traded to the Redskins. That's when Kirk found out he's gonna be a free agent Do you think that the Redskins actually legitimately got better with Alex Smith as opposed to Kirk Cousins? Yeah, I mean, it's tough I struggle with this move a little bit and again I think this just goes to show how fearful teams are of not having somebody right and that kind of makes me wonder Okay, what teams are really trying to win and what teams are just trying to kind of stay afloat Obviously they want to they want to sell tickets. They want to be relevant It's hard to say man. I I'm a Kirk Cousins guy, right and I like Kirk. He's younger. I think he's got a little bit of better arm I think he's got a little more fire in him. Alex Smith is Mr. Consistency. I mean, everyone knows that I Think they may have gotten a little bit better just from a game management standpoint I think they're gonna be able to control Alex a little bit better than they were able to control Kirk I don't I think there was some friction there more than we probably saw more than that was let on But yeah, man, I think if anything they they may have gotten marginally better, but it's it's it's not by much But what are some other teams that have new quarterbacks you're looking forward to see?  I think the Jets are really interesting. Obviously, you know, Sam Donald I thought the Jets won the draft You know as much as I wanted them to go all in for Kirk, you know, they made a really strong offer But I think is you know, his heart was in Minnesota, but I Think they got incredible value at number three with Sam. I don't think they can be mad at that I'm really hoping he gets to get in there pretty early. I think he's got some good vets around him I like Josh McCallan. Yeah, gonna be interesting to see what Teddy does in the mix And you know, maybe Sam's a guy they stashed for a couple years and let him mature and and get in there when he's ready But I think that's a really interesting storyline to watch. I think the bills are interesting I think the Browns are probably You know up there with the Vikings to see what's gonna go down You know, I was reading a little bit yesterday You know just to see how Baker's progressing, you know, I think I think they say, you know Baker's got the personality to be a leader But Tyrod is really solid right now. And so I think they're gonna have a tough choice to make You know, who do we roll with right now? Yeah And so I don't know man thoughts on Baker at this point Well, I'm gonna go ahead and give thoughts on on the whole entire rookie quarterback class at least the top five I would say out of all of them Sam Dornone has the most opportunity to start all 16 games I Believe in New York, that's what they're gonna do even though maybe Josh McCallan's more polished They're gonna take that approach to that Oakland did with Derek Carr that Tennessee did with Marcus Mariota that Philadelphia did with Carson Wentz Even Atlanta doing with Matt Ryan Cincinnati with Andy Dalton like there's so many teams that Approach it to where you got a first round second round pick You Make them start all six in games their rookie season and then they just flourish. Yeah, they're they're second year first year isn't you know Whatever, but they're second year. They really take off. We saw that with Carson Wentz this past year But I think Baker Mayfield is Man, I unless Tyrod gets hurt or If the Browns are in a position where towards the end of the season, they can't like they're eliminated from playoff contention Yeah Then maybe we'll see Baker Mayfield come in but I think yeah Tyrod is their guy for now Yeah, may feel my playing probably two or three games this year What do you what do you make of the Baker Johnny Manziel comparison? man, it's Can I say this that Baker is a sober Johnny Manziel? Maybe I'll cut that out. That was pretty bad. No proud of Johnny and what he's doing with the CFL. Yeah, um, I See it as far as their body type goes Johnny seems a little bit skinnier, but They definitely have personality both of them do And I thought if if Manziel stayed in Cleveland, he would have He would have been pretty solid. He had some solid games You know, he actually holds the franchise record for passing yards in a single game. Is that right? Mm-hmm 373 So If there are any comparisons between the two if Johnny Manziel does that in Cleveland With all the behind-the-scenes stuff that he's been struggling with what can Baker do, right? You know, yeah, I mean part of me wants to believe that Baker is has got the support system around him You know, I almost think that he's probably watched what John what happened to Johnny and his kind of you know People have gotten around and said look, you know, I think you've got a chance to do something here And you don't want to be what you know do what this guy did, right? Right? And I don't know I'm torn on Baker just because he's small Mm-hmm. I Don't I'm not a fan of the small QB's Okay, and Russell Wilson. I know and I thought about Russell before we started this Something about Russell's build and his hands. He just has big hands.  They just had small hands That's the hottest take of this whole podcast small hands small hands football games But they say about small hands exactly can't throw footballs. That's small balls dude cut it out But um, so yeah, man, I don't know I I don't know it's gonna be interesting to watch You know, I thought Josh Allen was the guy in the draft I Think it was I was torn between Sam and Josh. I love Josh's build I know Sam's not the biggest guy in the world But man, he just throws the ball so well What what other teams are there is that all you guys far as quarterbacks What do you think of actually Lamar Jackson as we're talking about working quarterbacks him in Baltimore? I think the people want it to work really bad. I don't know if it's gonna work You nailed it. You read my mind, but continue. I think people really want it to work I don't know again. I'm I'm I'm more of your prototypical quarterback kind of guy I don't see I think Lamar's got a lot of talent. He's an incredible athlete I could kind of see him being a Terrell prior 2.0 eventually. I don't know if I'm confused with with with with Baltimore because I don't know what the rush is to get Joe out of out of town. I Thought I was sort of new to me. I mean, he's won a Super Bowl, right? He's got an incredible You know system I think he's got the coach. I think he's proven that he can be successful I think they've got some really I think it's gonna be exciting watching getting Crabtree in there Well, the Super Bowl six years ago. Yeah Maybe kind of write your future I would say if you get a Super Bowl But I mean, I don't know it maybe they feel like the pressure is on a little bit Maybe he feels the pressure Maybe it's just to get that next guy, you know I kind of always like to compare him to Matt Ryan because they came in the same year Right watching with how they progress. We don't see that pressure on Matt obviously Matt doesn't have a Super Bowl Obviously, he's got the Super Bowl visit last year, but it's interesting man I think even more so what's interesting for me is and I don't know if you think this but just A rookie quarterback conversation every year is really interesting to me And I guess my perspective is changing a little bit because I've been so anti quarterback Right like I've been so anti these teams that just wait and draft a guy every year after year after year Yeah, don't make an aggressive move to go get a veteran And then I'm like well, it's got to be super hard to even put yourself in a position to get a veteran That's willing to leave a team But I think after last season watching Carson watching Carson and Jared golf really blossom has changed my perspective a little bit So I want to know your thoughts kind of on on the philosophy of taking quarterback high first round Versus kind of finding those second third fifth round gyms And if you're a team like the Jets if you're a team like, you know the Bears How do you find the middle ground and you know taking a risk after year after year and maybe trying to fall into something As it with a veteran. Yeah, and every team is different I think it just depends on what situation you are if you need a quarterback right now, obviously first round But if you're in a situation Maybe it's someone like the New England Patriots and they're drafting to Just be ready for Tom Brady and and the inevitable when he retires Drafting someone like Jimmy Garoppolo in the second round That'll be a game changer. Yeah, even to a lesser degree You go with the Seattle Seahawks in 2012 when they drafted Russell Wilson They drafted him in the third round right because they signed actually Matt Flynn And I don't know if you remember him not but play like five or six games and it went off right son three year ten million dollar contract with them and They went into that 2012 season being like, okay, Matt Flynn is gonna be our guy But then it wasn't until the preseason where they're like, wow, we what did we come across this guy Russell Wilson? This felt he fell to us in the third round Right. Um, so I think it just definitely depends on the situation that you're in But yeah for teams like the Jets Cleveland for so many years you take risks on all these guys that didn't work out like Brady Quinn, right Brandon Whedon So many of these guys What do you think about the teams that give up their future for a guy? And then the next year there's gonna be three more guys Right like that's what I have a problem with these teams that give up so many so many picks Maybe a really good player just to get this guy who's touted to be the next, you know Whatever Drew Brees and then it seems like there's we're having the same conversation come draft time next year There's always that crop of guys. Yeah, and and maybe it Last for a little bit of time maybe like two or three years like I did with RG three The Redskins gave up a lot way too much to trade with the Rams right up to the second pick But then you also look at maybe someone like the New York Giants Back in 2004 when they drafted Eli Manning they traded actually a lot They drafted Phillip Rivers traded him to San Diego But also eventual picks that led to Pro Bowl caliber players like their kicker Nate Cading or Shawn Merriman So it does work out But it also doesn't I think you got to be very very particular in that if I was a journal manager I'd be very cautious in that kind of case. Yeah, I wouldn't do something like that Just because I'm that kind of guy where yeah, the quarterback position is important, but it's not everything, right? That's why in this draft. I was thinking well Cleveland they could have gotten someone like sick one Barkley a number one and then still got in Baker Mayfield at number four So I'm more of like a You know you want a good quarterback But you don't have to have the best quarterback as long as you have a good team around him for sure And I think that's what teams like Cleveland is doing with Tyrone Taylor not the best quarterback out there the Jaguars the Jaguars Yeah, so teams like that if you just build around them You don't you could find some gems in the second or third round You know another team that really sticks out to me just in the quarterback conversation And I'm glad I've waited to bring this up But I think the team that got the best quarterback this offseason of the Cardinals Hmm. Yeah, I think Sam Bradford was the steal of the whole quarterback shuffle.  I mean he played he started two games last season. I think And I think he had a quarterback rating of like 125 or something First two games crazy and I was really excited to see him kind of fully healthy Yeah, I mean I think you can make the argument that Sam is you know a top five passer in the league when he's healthy Accuracy, I think is there. I think he's brilliant I like his size. I like his arm strength. So I think the Cardinals got really lucky I'm gonna be it's you know, obviously I think if he has a fully healthy ear He's gonna get a massive contract out of that. Yeah, it's funny It's funny to me because the Cardinals kind of fell into Carson Palmer now They've fallen into Sam Bradford and they continue to remain relevant with this aging group of players You know, I think the Cardinals are gonna be fun to watch man I think I think Sam Bradford was was a steal talking a little bit about spider-two-wide banana Good old Chuckie, what are your thoughts on him going to the Raiders? Man, I'm a big Gruden fan Man, I almost want to do an impression, but I'm gonna hold back I kind of feel like we're in a quarterback camp right now So much of the league is about energy, I think it's about team morale, right? It's I don't know if a coach has that much impact X's and O's Mm-hmm. I think coaches can develop really good systems and have a lot of good pieces in place I think you know, you know Bill Belichick is probably the best example of that You know coaches like Andy Reed who really develop systems the Harbaugh's and and get people in place guys That'll ride with them for a long time But I don't know if bringing a coach in who's very skilled Makes a team of contender in year one, right? I don't know if it's that much of an impact and I'm a big NBA fan, too I kind of liken it to that obviously I think the The coaching process is probably more important in football than basketball But at the end of the day if you don't have the players I think you got it. You got you know the guys have to go make it happen. Yeah, so with that being said I love the Gruden move. I think it's exciting. I think he's a players coach I think the players respect him. I think you got his guy in Derek Carr, you know, I've been one I Was wanting Gruden to go to Green Bay for a long time I Think he was kind of hope holding out for McCarthy to move on so he could kind of wedge himself in there to get With Aaron Rodgers. We all know he's got he's got a crush on Aaron Rodgers But man, I like it. I think it's exciting for for Las Vegas You know, I really am excited to see what A couple of questionable moves getting some older guys in there getting Jordy getting Jordy in there Yeah, going for Doug Martin trying to establish the bet. I mean, I've got more Sean it's gonna be interesting to see if the aging backfield can do but If the aging backfield can hang can hang in there, but I'm excited. What are your thoughts? But also bringing in more Tavis Brian who's a little bit younger. Yes, I mean he's a stud, which is pretty great um, I really love John Gruden, um, I Know that He's been wanting to coach for a little bit even though he says that you know, yes, PN is my job, right? Well, I don't believe him because now he's a coach and signing him to a 10-year deal like you said First year, maybe you don't make that kind of impact Yeah, but that's why he's time for that 10-year deal because you're gonna see over the time Yeah, he needs pieces around him He needs his guys and he's gonna slowly weed out the guys that he doesn't want We're seeing that all around the league coaches do that all the time For instance, maybe in like Miami with Adam Gase. He's getting rid of his guys Like the Dom Kong Sue which you say like, well, why are you getting rid of some of that caliber? Well, that's not his guy. It doesn't fit who he wants to play with right Which isn't necessarily a bad thing But I think over time. Yeah Gruden is gonna go ahead and Make those moves Maybe just for now Like we talked about Sam Bradford being a bridge quarterback Maybe bringing in veterans just be the bridge players like Jordy Nelson or Doug Martin But who knows maybe two three years down the line when they actually do play in Las Vegas Gruden is gonna be a force in a contender in the AFC West Yeah, I think Gruden brings a lot of intangibles to you know, I think that's the point I'm trying to make is that I think Gruden brings in a lot of stuff that a normal coach wouldn't I think his personality his reputation People you know, he's a magnetic personality people like him I think the players will gravitate towards him and want to win for him, right? Just because I don't think he has an agenda. I think he's just going in there to win football games I liked what he said when he got signed, you know, it's an absurd amount of money Nobody needs that much money. He's not there for the money and I think he said in his presser You know if it sees him one and two they suck He's out of there, right? He's not just gonna stick around and run him dry for all that money. So I like that I think his intentions are right So with that being said, I think he can make an impact year one just because of what he brings to the table Some of those intangibles. So and I think it's Derek Carr's team, you know I think he there's no way he was not gonna go to one of these teams rebuilding just doesn't make any sense You know, we see these we see these teams that turnover coaches year after year because the quarterback suck So I really like that that he's going to a team with an established quarterback I think their offense is gonna be so good even with some of those older players. You said Martave is coming in. I love it I think that the offense is gonna be is gonna be good enough to kind of float the team And if he gets a good, you know, if his if his defensive coordinator can handle, you know the defense then I think they're gonna be pretty good. Yeah. Yeah, I'm looking forward to doing it as well And we're gonna get more into a couple more topics here in the town football podcast But I would just want to take a moment To tell you guys about patreon. 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Yeah, I think the biggest thing for me And you know what I'm what I'm waiting for is to see where Desbrae's gonna land And I'm cursed dude I'm cursed because I just love aging superstars in in all sports right and so I'm the guy that will take Matt Forte number one overall. I'm still gonna do it this year. Interesting. I don't think he's on a team But I'll take him. He's retired. I'm taking him. You heard it here. So man, I'm a big Des fan I just loved it. I love big personality players guys that that you know are superstars And no Des has had a has had a rough past couple years, but It's interesting to me man. I 29 years old. He's still in the twilight of his prime. I still think he can produce I think he's an elite athlete I Pardon me wonders. Obviously, we know that he He curved the the Baltimore offer, which I thought was a solid offer was I don't blame him for not wanting to go to Baltimore for obvious reasons. I think you know, obviously we touched on flakko earlier And I think they're a little crowded, you know now getting Crabtree So I think they're good where they are. I'm not knocking flakko I just think they're I don't know if they need Dez I don't I don't I think he's going to somewhere where he could kind of prove I'm almost wondering, you know, I think there were some reports that does thought he was kind of worth a lot more than 7 million a year He was looking for a place where he could go play for one year have a really good contract here And then I don't know man. It's not like 30 year old receivers are getting 30 million dollar contracts, right? So I think that's probably on him a little bit in hindsight. I think he probably wishes he took that deal It just I get this feeling that there's something going on here that that we don't know. I don't know if it's a health problem I don't know if it's You know, I don't know. I don't know if there's a lot of teams going after him and they're just kind of keeping it under wraps You know, I think I think after seeing the draft play out a lot of a lot of these teams that we're needing receivers got their guys in the draft and so Now Dez is just kind of left out so It's gonna be interesting to see what happens man. I've got a short list of teams that I'd like to see him go to go to Yeah, I think the Packers would be I think they're a no-brainer. Yeah, I mean if I I love what they did bring in Jimmy Graham, I think Devontae Adams is a top five receiver in the league I think he could be the most productive receiver in the league next year I think you throw a Des in there just to watch what Aaron could do with those three guys would be fun I think the Chargers are interesting And I think the Rams are interesting. I think I would love to go see him I'd love to see him out out there with Brandon Cooks Young Jared Goff Gunslinger man at good market for him popular team. I think it'd be cool. So I think that's interesting, man So it's gonna be fun to see where he lands. Yeah, I He does one-on-one your deal and now it's the same thing. Well, you're 30 years old in 2019 Who's gonna sign you for so much money? You know, I To how it's turned out right now, I think in the end. Yeah, he should have signed with the Ravens multi-year deal Lot of security a lot of security. Yeah, absolutely. Now. He's gonna get a one-year deal somewhere Yeah, which is exactly what he wants But it's not gonna be for so much money because people have already passed on on the tent on the draft We've already signed their own free agents that they want to fit the system They're already an OTA is trying to figure out where all these players fit in their system So We'll see though, but Griff I appreciate you joining us for this podcast one last thing Before we sign off. I always ask every single guest on this show. Yes What their favorite moment is in football whether it be college football. Yep, or professional football. Yes. Got a favorite moment This is a tough one because as you know, I'm a late. I'm I was a late bloomer in football, you know I'm a I grew up watching basketball primarily and so I you know, I'm in love with the NFL now I love, you know, the business of the league and I'm a huge fan now But I kind of missed a lot of those football moments growing up One that sticks out to me is the Odell catch. I think it's probably the most excited. I've been watching a game I remember in my living room watching the game with my dad and watching that happen I mean it was electric, you know, I was as shocked when it happened as the replays Showed, you know, sometimes a play will happen and it takes a couple days for you to realize how crazy it was There was no mistake in that that was like the greatest catch of all time. Yeah, and to watch, you know, while we're you know Fairly young player that's young a player that's gonna be around I think a transcendent player watch him make that play live on TV was cool for me I think that's what the league's about those moments. Yeah, and I think that was You know a play that's kind of helped me Grow grow in football and appreciate it more. It's crazy. I was watching that live as well And when I saw that I was like no way. Yeah, this guy Had a defender. Yeah, that was pulling on his jersey. It was obviously passing interference Yep, bends all the way back grabs it with three fingers crazy 50 yard pass phenomenal touchdown Definitely a great moment in the NFL Griffin I appreciate you joining our show. Yeah for you guys. Thank you so much for Joining us if you're on the podcast Make sure you guys go rate and review That lets us know. Hey, you guys like the content that we're coming out with you guys have been good so far with it But just keep it up Share it with your friends And if you guys are watching this video on YouTube just know that we do have a podcast on itunes So might be a little bit easier than watching a 40-something minute video on YouTube You can just go to itunes search for time to football. 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